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Saturday Evening Movie Thread 06-19-2021 [TheJamesMadison]
Howard Hawks
Before I begin, a big thanks and shoutout to Mark Andrew Edwards who suggested Howard Hawks as my next cinematic excursion. This has been a fun one, and I wouldn't have considered it without Mark's prompting. Thank you!
In 1954, the French cinema magazine Cahiers du Cinema was in turmoil. The younger generation of film critics, led by Francois Truffaut and Jean-Luc Godard, were rebelling against the stuffy, unimaginative, and immoral work of the contemporary French film industry. Popularizing the auteur theory with his article, "The Tradition of Quality", Truffaut and his fellow band of misfits looked beyond their borders for examples of contemporary film that they could admire, and they ended up focusing on Hollywood.
The most famous example was Hitchcock. Truffaut interviewed the British born director, writing a book about it, but other directors were highlighted as well. One of the most prominent of these others was Howard Hawks.
Most people seem to have little knowledge of Hawks, though he's directed several favorites. He made two of the most well-known and beloved screwball comedies, His Girl Friday and Bringing Up Baby. He directed two of the four movies that Humphrey Bogart and Lauren Bacall made together including the first where they met, To Have and Have Not and The Big Sleep. He made a pair of John Wayne's best Westerns, Red River and Rio Bravo. He worked with Bogart, Bacall, Wayne, Cary Grant, Rosalind Russell, Danny Kaye, Gary Cooper, James Cagney, Edward G. Robinson, Barbara Stanwyk, John Barrymore, Joel McRea, Rock Hudson, Kirk Douglas, James Caan, Montgomery Clift, Ginger Rogers, Jane Russell, and Marilyn Monroe.
Who was this man who work with so many stars, made so many great movies, and seems to have been somewhat forgotten?
Men in Dangerous Professions and the Women Who Love Them
Hawks was the son of a wealthy paper manufacturer, won a national tennis championship at 18, earned a mechanical engineering degree from Cornell, and trained pilots during World War I in the Army. He never saw combat, but his experience of the physically demanding and dangerous life of a wartime pilot in wooden and cloth airplanes stuck with him for a long time. Moving back to California after the war, he finagled his way into the film industry until he started directing in 1926 with the now lost silent feature The Road to Glory (a title he used a decade later for a World War I movie that has nothing to do with his original work).
A contemporary of Hitchcock, I see them both as part of the second generation of filmmakers. The first were pioneers like DW Griffith, Charlie Chaplin, and Buster Keaton. Hawks came into a fully formed industry at the end of the silent period and was part of that generation that figured out how to make talkies. His first two talkies are lost, but his earliest existing talkie, the World War I pilot drama The Dawn Patrol (that was remade less than a decade later with Errol Flynn) is the rough form of the kind of movie he was going to make for the rest of his career.
Over the course of the 30s Hawks made several films in this mold, from the racing drama The Crowd Roars to the tale of tuna fishing off the coast of San Diego Tiger Shark to the massively underappreciated World War I drama Today We Live, and as he continued in this mold, his voice became clearer. In more and more films he shows men working in dangerous professions and the women who loved them.
There are a few things to parse in that assertion, so let me start with "Men". This is always about multiple men. He showed the comradery of a grown men, finding the time to bond deeply with each other. These were great friends, and what bonded them was their professions. Whether it was racing, tuna fishing, piloting aircraft, or cattle driving, these men had a common bond that tied them together intimately. This is wonderfully demonstrated in The Dawn Patrol when the British pilots shoot down a German flyer only to immediately start drinking with him once they take him back to their headquarters. They may fly under different flags, but out of their aircraft, they're all just men one more mission away from certain death. That commonality between men is important to almost all of Hawks' work. The only thing that could come between men in this sort of situation is a woman.
The Hawksian woman is a strong, independent woman who can keep up with the men in terms of wit and intelligence. They are distinctly feminine, and they all have a thing for men who do dangerous things. Jean Arthur in Only Angels Have Wings struggles with herself because she doesn't know if she can love Cary Grant when every time he goes up in a plane in the little Central American port city of Barranca, but she ultimately decides that his danger can be hers as well. In Ceiling Zero June Travis is a pilot learning the trade and comes between James Cagney and Craig Reynolds, happy to share the danger in the skies with the men. There are a lot of love triangles in Hawks' films.
Classical Visuals
His visual stylings are most interesting in Come and Get It, though. There's an interesting back story where Hawks was adapting a novel by Edna Ferber, but Samuel Goldwyn, the producer, was expecting a much more faithful adaptation of the book than what Hawks ended up delivering. When Goldwyn found out, about three-quarters of the way through production, he fired Hawks and replaced him with William Wyler to finish the picture, ending up giving the pair co-directing credits though they were never on set at the same time. It gets really easy to see where Hawks stopped working and where Wyler started because they naturally frame shots very differently.
Hawks' frame was largely functional. There's nothing wrong with that, by the way. He set up his characters in frame, and he let the actors improvise their way to a scene (one of the main reasons the production got off track from the novel). Wyler, by comparison, had a much more exacting eye, using three dimensions and spacing within a frame to imply power relationships, for instance. They're not showy, but once you realize what he's doing, it's impossible not to see it in every film he made like The Big Country and The Little Foxes.
I think this is one reason why the film geek community tends to skip over Hawks. It's not that they don't like him, but that they just don't think about him. Visually Hawks was functional rather than showy, so there seems less to pay attention to from a cinematic point of view. I don't agree. His work is more classical and actually subtle, even more effective than showy forms in certain cases. His Girl Friday is largely built on long takes as Cary Grant and Rosalind Russell spit fire back and forth, never cutting away, but always with rapid fire wit that makes the experience fly by. That's a conscious stylistic choice, allowing the visual space to focus on a pair of actors playing off of each other rather than cutting back and forth.
Repetition
Hawks worked through the height of the studio system where individual players and technical staff were all on contract with individual studios, but Hawks was never really a studio player. He definitely had contracts, most notably with Warner Brothers early in his career. He butted heads constantly with studio executives, and Warner ended up loaning him out to other studios like Columbia (for Scarface) for the bulk of his contract.
What does this mean? I think it essentially puts him in a similar space as Orson Welles. Chafing under the constrictions of a system designed to move people like widgets, Hawks needed to have more independence. He needed to tell the stories he wanted to tell, not the stories that others told him to tell. This is, I think, one of the big reasons there's such uniformity to his work thematically. He repeated himself a lot in terms of plotting and characters, but it was always in search of new ways to say things about what he cared about.
That repetition ends up feeling like different drafts. Only Angels Have Wings is effectively the same movie as Ceiling Zero, not in some opaque similar plot sort of way, but in terms of it having the exact same beats, similar characters, and similar points. This was never really a problem in my eyes because, often, the later versions were actually better than the earlier ones (Angels is great while Ceiling is pretty good, for instance). He started outright remaking earlier movies with A Song is Born, though, a contracted picture that he had no desire to make which was based on the same Billy Wilder story as his earlier and much more successful Ball of Fire.
It became a bit of a joke towards the end of his career, though. After a wildly successful 40s, and a very strong 50s, Hawks began to get old. After the failure of Land of the Pharaohs, he came back with one of his best films, Rio Bravo, a character based Western about John Wayne guarding a jail for two hours. He used the same basic approach for his next film, the African adventure story of trappers, also starring John Wayne, Hatari!. Red Line 7000 feels like it's supposed to be the same thing for the racing world, but it takes on far too many characters for its running time leading me to think that it got cut down from a much healthier length for the story.
The critical and commercial failure of Red Line 7000, though, seems to have had a very negative effect on Hawks. His final two films after that, El Dorado and Rio Lobo are both, after a certain point, outright remakes of Rio Bravo, his last huge success. Both films very much have their merits, but there's no denying that Leigh Brackett, the co-writer on both and the writer of the earlier Rio Bravo, rankled at having Hawks insist on simply repeating the ending situation and resolution of the earlier film, especially on Rio Lobo. I think Hawks had grown old and was just going back to the familiar.
Now, that's not to say that Rio Lobo is a kind of Buddy, Buddy disaster of a final film. I see it more along the lines of Hitchcock's final film, Family Plot. Not his best work, but very much of his body of work with many of the charms that made his earlier great films great, just not quite at that level.
Retrospect
Howard Hawks had one of the great runs in film. From 1938 to 1948 he made Bringing Up Baby, Only Angels Have Wings, His Girl Friday, Sergeant York, Ball of Fire, To Have and Have Not, The Big Sleep, and Red River. (Air Force is also in there, but it's almost purely a piece of wartime propaganda and doesn't work nearly as well as everything else he made around that time.)
This is the kind of output that any director should be absolutely jealous of. These are classics that have stood the test of time, often representing some of the best examples of genres that Hawks had, quite simply, never worked in before. The Big Sleep is one of the best film noirs, and Hawks had never made a noir before. He also never made another noir afterwards. That was it. He made one noir, one of the best of the genre, and he moved on to make one of the best Westerns of the genre (Red River), another genre he had never worked in before, consciously aping John Ford's style to great effect and providing a canvas for John Wayne to prove himself as an actual acting talent. As John Ford said of John Wayne's performance after seeing Red River for the first time, "I never knew the big son of a bitch could act." I can think of no greater compliment to both Wayne and Hawks than that. Never mind that Hawks never won a competitive Oscar (being awarded an honorary one in 1974), this quote I would choose, if I were Hawks, as one of the finest and most important things said about the body of work.
Hawks had talent, is what I'm sayin'.
Movies of Today
Opening in Theaters:
The Hitman's Wife's Bodyguard
Movies I Saw This Fortnight:
The Thing From Another World (Rating 3/4) Full Review "It's a cornerstone of science fiction cinema, and a fun monster movie." [Personal Collection]
Only Angels Have Wings (Rating 4/4) Full Review "Wonderfully acted, especially from Grant, Barthelmess, and Mitchell, Hawks' Only Angels Have Wings is a great little picture about daring men and how they treat with death on a daily basis." [Library]
His Girl Friday (Rating 4/4) Full Review "On the surface, it's a fast, entertaining bit of newspaper business, but just underneath it's more savage. That, I think, is what really helps this version rise to greatness." [Personal Collection]
Sergeant York (Rating 3.5/4) Full Review "Hawks was a well-practiced directorial hand by 1941, and he brings a quiet professionalism to every aspect of the production." [Library]
Ball of Fire (Rating 3/4) Full Review "It's easy and nice, helped wonderfully by the chemistry between the two leads and the crisp direction from Hawks. I can see why it was such a crowd pleaser in its day." [HBO Max]
Air Force (Rating 2.5/4) Full Review "It's an unfortunate ending to what had been a pretty solid film." [Library]
The Big Sleep (Rating 4/4) Full Review "This is really just primo entertainment from a group of extremely talented people. This is kind of an idealized example of film noir, anchored by a wonderful performance from Bogart and confidently and deftly directly by Hawks." [Library]
Red River (Rating 4/4) Full Review "This adaptation of Borden Chase's serialized novel The Chisholm Trail feels like Howard Hawks really reaching to make something bigger and newer for himself, and he succeeds wildly." [Personal Collection]
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Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Draki at June 19, 2021 06:39 PM (8ni2U)
"Assault on Precinct 13" was a remake of "Rio Bravo".
And John Carpenter remade "The Thing" officially, though it's not really a remake.
And then there's "They Live" which has a fight scene which I'm told references "The Quiet Man," but that's John Ford.
Posted by: moviegique at June 19, 2021 06:45 PM (dhFCT)
Posted by: Doof at June 19, 2021 06:46 PM (mZUr4)
Posted by: naturalfake at June 19, 2021 06:48 PM (dWwl8)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 19, 2021 06:49 PM (GVTFC)
I feel certain Rio Lobo was better.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 19, 2021 06:49 PM (OU+8W)
Posted by: Getting the banned back together at June 19, 2021 06:50 PM (pvzWl)
I feel certain Rio Lobo was better.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 19, 2021 06:49 PM (OU+8W)
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Rio Lobo was Hawks on complete autopilot. It's got its familiar charms, but it's far from his best work.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 06:50 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Leorge Gucas at June 19, 2021 06:50 PM (QU5/8)
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 06:51 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 06:53 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: JT at June 19, 2021 06:53 PM (arJlL)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 19, 2021 06:54 PM (GVTFC)
Posted by: .87c at June 19, 2021 06:54 PM (pakLr)
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 06:53 PM (2DOZq)
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Not yet. His is a bigger body of work, and now I need something smaller after the 36 movies Hawks made. I'm going to do Carl Th. Dreyer next. He only had 15.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 06:55 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 06:55 PM (Cxk7w)
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 06:55 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: .87c at June 19, 2021 06:54 PM (pakLr)
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It was really filmed that way. There are a shocking number of long takes in the film where the dialogue is just rapid fire for three to four minutes at a time.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 06:55 PM (LvTSG)
Was it HH or another director who was asked a very stupid fake hollywood reporter question "What did you hope to achieve with this film?"
And the director answered, "I hoped to achieve a paycheck."
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at June 19, 2021 06:56 PM (EuI+k)
As has been said, the only reason to watch Howard The Duck is to see Lea Thompson in her panties.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 19, 2021 06:57 PM (GVTFC)
I'll be sure and check out more of Hawks' films. Thansk for the tip TJM. I do believe that John Ford has gotten more than his fair share of praise for his westerns, especially given that Ford was a walking mega-alcoholic trainwreck both on and off the set.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 06:57 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at June 19, 2021 06:57 PM (EuI+k)
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 06:58 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 06:59 PM (Cxk7w)
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at June 19, 2021 06:59 PM (EuI+k)
I also am actually looking forward to a Beatles movie, Get Back, which should be out in August I read. It's Peter Jackson's re-cut of Let It Be, which chronicled the band in 1969-70 basically screaming at each other and breaking up.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:00 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 07:00 PM (Cxk7w)
Posted by: buzzion at June 19, 2021 07:00 PM (vMCab)
Atomic Blonde. With Charlize Theron. Just finished it. Kind of a little sleeper action movie from 2017 with a spy theme. She's John Wick-ish but honestly only slightly less believable. What I mean is you just have to accept that she's a woman doing all this Jackie Chan shit, and if you can do that, you'll have a good time. I really dug it.
But I personally like the Jackie Chan type fighting where they use elements from the room. A nice twist on Gun Fu which can get very samey.
Notably they dolled her up in like a million outfits. Let's see them do that to John Wick.
Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:01 PM (uEbPt)
For me it's hard to choose between The Cowboys, The Quiet Man and Sands of Iwo Jima.
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:01 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:02 PM (L2ZTs)
I just don't like that movie. I've tried several times and can't make it past the 30 minute mark.
Posted by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey at June 19, 2021 07:03 PM (fTtFy)
Peppermint was better to me and mor like John Wick and surprisingly more believable. Guns are great equalizers.
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:04 PM (2DOZq)
Lucas was a fan of the comic book, which was a good comic book series, but realistically, the film never should have been made. too strange, too over the top to be done right.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 19, 2021 07:05 PM (GVTFC)
The impression I have of His Girl Friday is that it's more like a staged play on film, than a movie. Everything I've heard is that the dialogue is just too spiffy and sharp to be really believable. Entertaining sure, but not real.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:05 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 07:06 PM (Cxk7w)
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:04 PM (2DOZq)
Oddly enough I couldn't even get through Peppermint. She was basically God in every scene and I couldn't get myself there. If you ask me to tell you the difference between that and what Charlize was doing maybe it's just that (IMO) the action was filmed better.
Also Peppermint asked us to accept that she traveled the world over the course of a year or two and became Peppermint which was a lot harder for me to digest.
Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:08 PM (uEbPt)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 19, 2021 07:09 PM (63Dwl)
The best Western is Treasure of The Sierra Madre.
So it will be a thread trying to figure out what 2 - 10 are.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 19, 2021 07:09 PM (GVTFC)
The impression I have of His Girl Friday is that it's more like a staged play on film, than a movie. Everything I've heard is that the dialogue is just too spiffy and sharp to be really believable. Entertaining sure, but not real.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:05 PM (L2ZTs)
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Not real?
Someone better tell Shakespeare.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 07:09 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:10 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 19, 2021 07:09 PM (63Dwl)
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The ending is really good, but I don't think the movie really earns it. All the palace intrigue feels really compressed into about 15 minutes near the end, like the movie was originally 3 hours long and they had to massively cut down everything to fit the 104 minute runtime.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 07:10 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 07:11 PM (Cxk7w)
Posted by: alien covenant was much worse at June 19, 2021 07:11 PM (hMlTh)
Bringing Up Baby, in contrast, is more consciously silly and it works.
Posted by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey at June 19, 2021 07:11 PM (fTtFy)
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:02 PM (L2ZTs)
Hate to go all Charlie Gibson on you, but never heard of it.
Atomic Blonde seems to be rated as very mediocre which I disagree with. The cinematography alone puts it above many of the highly rated modern action movies. Plus there is a long take in there that if it didn't have disguised cuts, is an instant action classic.
Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:12 PM (uEbPt)
Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:12 PM (uEbPt)
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Atomic Blonde is proof that the world doesn't really want a female James Bond.
I really like the movie. It's a really good take on a female spy during the Cold War with heavy action elements, and it barely made a blip at the box office.
That soundtrack slaps, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 07:13 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 19, 2021 07:14 PM (u82oZ)
It is not a caring movie, it is very self centered in all the characters are self centered. Even the great tragedy of the story is played only for how it will sell stories
Posted by: Kindltot at June 19, 2021 07:14 PM (ySM85)
Won't make a difference to you but it was five years and she got her ass beat physically. She was just smarter and better gun skills.
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:14 PM (2DOZq)
Also Bill gets an exemption from a lot of rules for various reasons, not the least of which is he's the best ever writer in the English language.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:15 PM (L2ZTs)
But I don't watch a lot of old movies so there may be one or two that I've never seen that would make the cut. I liked Vertigo a lot but it's not in my top ten.
Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:15 PM (uEbPt)
Posted by: Kindltot at June 19, 2021 07:14 PM (ySM85)
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I think that's one of the keys to the movie's greatness. It's not just amusing. There's a really scathing undertone to pretty much the entire film. The main characters are complete monsters.
Combine that with Ace in the Hole (by Billy Wilder), and you've got a great look at how awful journalists are and how easily led the public is.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 07:15 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Kindltot at June 19, 2021 07:16 PM (ySM85)
Posted by: Eromero at June 19, 2021 07:17 PM (0OP+5)
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:14 PM (2DOZq)
Maybe I'll give it another shot. It started to put me in a bad mood as it went on. It just seemed to involve a lot of ESP.
But like I said it may just be that AB was filmed better so I gave similar stuff in that a pass.
Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:17 PM (uEbPt)
For me it's hard to choose between The Cowboys, The Quiet Man and Sands of Iwo Jima.
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:01 PM (2DOZq)
"Sands" gets my vote....I know things were different back then and they couldn't go all "Saving Private Ryan" and rub the blood and guts in the audience's faces (back then they didn't need to....real life was enough) but the message of a man responsible for other men's lives and instilling the brotherhood of arms into his men throughout the movie shines through. The other two are great movies too.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 19, 2021 07:17 PM (R/m4+)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 19, 2021 07:18 PM (QU5/8)
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:18 PM (L2ZTs)
greatness. It's not just amusing. There's a really scathing undertone to
pretty much the entire film. The main characters are complete monsters.
Dad was a reporter when I was born, he got out of it, but his whole attitude was, "yeah, well, whatever"
Reporters were like that. Gotta feed the press and sell papers
Posted by: Kindltot at June 19, 2021 07:18 PM (ySM85)
Many say Hawks did it for a reason. He and Wayne had a serious philosophical argument with Fred Zinnemann, the director of High Noon. In High Noon you see a West where the people are cowards and only one man will stand up for what is right. In the Hawks films, you have a West filled with worthy people, that will chip in to do the right thing.
There is a reason Bill Clinton's favorite movie was High Noon. My guess is many Repubs preferred Rio Bravo. Though I think a few famous Repubs did love High Noon. It was a great film of course. It is two different philosophies on the nature of man I suppose.
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 07:19 PM (gJfTA)
>>Also Peppermint asked us to accept that she traveled the world over the course of a year or two and became Peppermint which was a lot harder for me to digest.
Yeah, they didn't show how she got from victim widow to kicka$$ mythic vigilante. At least with a similar recent movie, the Deathwish remake, you saw Brue Willis' character seeking out info and weapons, struggling to learn etc.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 19, 2021 07:19 PM (bDqIh)
And I agree, it is funny, but not agreeable.
Posted by: Sal at June 19, 2021 07:20 PM (Uu3D6)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 07:21 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 07:21 PM (KZzsI)
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Well, Hawks did make one of the best John Ford movies in Red River. So there's that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 07:22 PM (LvTSG)
Key Largo
The Cowboys
African Queen
Flight of the Phoenix
Sahara
The Caine Mutiny
The Quiet Man
Outlaw Josey Wales
Jeremiah Johnson
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:22 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 07:22 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 19, 2021 07:23 PM (GVTFC)
Posted by: Sal at June 19, 2021 07:24 PM (Uu3D6)
play on film, than a movie. Everything I've heard is that the dialogue
is just too spiffy and sharp to be really believable. Entertaining sure,
but not real.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:05 PM (L2ZTs)
It was originally a very successful Broadway play, The Front Page by Ben Hecht and Charles MacArthur, Hildy was a man who was trying to go get married but his boss kept trying to get him to write the stories on a murderer's execution.
Hecht and MacArthur got snapped up by Warner Brothers as writers, and according to H. Allen Smith they got assigned secretaries they didn't want because they were helpful and let visitors come in, so eventually they asked if they could hire their own. They hired strippers to sit naked in the front office and chase away all visitors
Posted by: Kindltot at June 19, 2021 07:24 PM (ySM85)
I think The King's Speech is one for the ages. Fellowship of the Rings was amazing film. But yeah, we used to see 2-3 really great movies every single year before 2000. Now you see that once a decade.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 07:24 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 19, 2021 07:25 PM (u82oZ)
Kindltot, LOL and thanks for the info.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:26 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Sal at June 19, 2021 07:24 PM (Uu3D6)
Jason Isaacs stole the show as Zhukov.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:26 PM (BgMrQ)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 19, 2021 07:26 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: Sal at June 19, 2021 07:24 PM (Uu3D6)
it is very good. Dark comedy that shows how dysfunctional the reality in the USSR under Stalin was.
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 07:26 PM (gJfTA)
Some very good films, but a great film?
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 19, 2021 07:23 PM (GVTFC)
Yeah. Gladiator would be up there and you have to actually go back to 2000. And I think Kill Bill is just tops but if I call it a great film I'm sure I'll get thrown out of here (finally). It *is* a great film.
Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:26 PM (uEbPt)
Posted by: Sal at June 19, 2021 07:24 PM (Uu3D6)
Great movie. Couldn't disagree if it was in people's top ten list.
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:27 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Kindltot at June 19, 2021 07:27 PM (ySM85)
;-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:27 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 07:27 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:27 PM (uEbPt)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 19, 2021 07:28 PM (QU5/8)
Subtitles in English.
Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 07:28 PM (Cxk7w)
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:29 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:29 PM (uEbPt)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 07:27 PM (KZzsI)
++++LOL
Posted by: washrivergal at June 19, 2021 07:30 PM (pmLp6)
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:29 PM (2DOZq)
I'm pretty much the same. If a movie is such that I never want to watch it again then no matter how good it is I can't put it in my top ten.
Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:31 PM (uEbPt)
Posted by: Sal at June 19, 2021 07:31 PM (Uu3D6)
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:29 PM (2DOZq
I would think that's a standard that everyone uses, whether they acknowledge it or not.
ex: 2001 is a "great movie", but it's not one of my favorites. One viewing is enough...morrrrrre than enough!
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:31 PM (BgMrQ)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 19, 2021 06:49 PM (GVTFC)
I had a girlfriend once who looked like Angie, especially in the leg department. She got a tattoo and joined the Army after her senior year in high school. She eventually married a guy named Fuzzy. She also was friends with a lesbian girl who, oddly, had a crush on me. My senior year in high school was interesting. Did I mention that all this took place in 1963?
Posted by: Javems at June 19, 2021 07:32 PM (8SSHh)
You must be a Russell Crowe fan. Master and Commander might be my number 11 choice.
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:33 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:33 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Javems at June 19, 2021 07:32 PM (8SSHh)
I knew you were 29...I just knew it!
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:33 PM (BgMrQ)
Same with books. My fav is the Dune series, I would read all 7 in order, and by the time I got to the last one, the first one would be fresh again.
"Some very good films, but a great film?"
The Beach
Pitch Black
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 19, 2021 07:33 PM (83lwH)
Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:33 PM (uEbPt)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 19, 2021 07:33 PM (63Dwl)
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 19, 2021 07:34 PM (83lwH)
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:31 PM (BgMrQ)
The English Patient and Shakespeare in love. I am not saying they are great, but they did win best picture. But who watches them twice or three times? Who would want to?
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 07:35 PM (gJfTA)
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:33 PM (2DOZq)
Oh yeah that's two Crowes isn't it. Him and Guy Pearce were truly great in LA Confidential. Gladiator isn't on any of my lists but I think it's what most would call a "great film".
Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:35 PM (uEbPt)
Posted by: .87c at June 19, 2021 07:36 PM (pakLr)
Posted by: Javems at June 19, 2021 07:32 PM (8SSHh)
I knew you were 29...I just knew it!
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:33 PM (BgMrQ)
You nailed it, 29.5 actually.
Posted by: Javems at June 19, 2021 07:36 PM (8SSHh)
Posted by: Darth Randall at June 19, 2021 07:36 PM (ciWUB)
Posted by: washrivergal at June 19, 2021 07:36 PM (pmLp6)
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 19, 2021 07:34 PM (83lwH)
Not close to a favorite movie but it does have one of my top three movie scenes of all time.
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 07:36 PM (2DOZq)
He took his life-long crush to one, noticed half-way through that she was bored to the point of playing with her split ends, and decided it was a stupid rule.
So I never quarrel with anyone's Favorite Movie List.
Posted by: Sal at June 19, 2021 07:36 PM (Uu3D6)
It's great to see the Golden Globes going down. Now let's watch the same happen to AMPAS and all their child molesting cronies.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:37 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 07:37 PM (gJfTA)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 07:38 PM (KZzsI)
Like, I loved "Whiplash". People who did not go to music school may not have appreciated it as much.
"The Intouchables" (France).
"The Lives of Others" (Germany).
"A Separation" (Iran).
"Pan's Labryinth" (Mexico/Spain).
"Fury Road" (Australia).
Pixar did some great work the first ten years. Miyazaki, too.
Posted by: moviegique at June 19, 2021 07:38 PM (dhFCT)
He took his life-long crush to one, noticed half-way through that she was bored to the point of playing with her split ends, and decided it was a stupid rule.
So I never quarrel with anyone's Favorite Movie List.
Posted by: Sal at June 19, 2021 07:36 PM (Uu3D6)
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Quentin Tarantino broke up with every girl he dated who didn't like Rio Bravo.
He was making variations on Rio Bravo from the beginning of his career, but Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is outright his version of it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 07:38 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: .87c at June 19, 2021 07:38 PM (pakLr)
The Beach
Pitch Black
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 19, 2021 07:33 PM (83lwH)
Anything with Claudia Black in it gets honorable mention at worst.
Posted by: Javems at June 19, 2021 07:38 PM (8SSHh)
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 19, 2021 07:33 PM (83lwH)
You sir, are a glutton for punishment. Dune was more than enough for me, the rest left me cold.
Kinda like the the Carlos Castaneda series. "The Teachings of Don Juan" was great, but the rest of the series went way off the rails....(or maybe my drugs weren't good enough).
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:39 PM (BgMrQ)
++++I couldn't get past 30 minutes of Shakespeare in Love.
Posted by: washrivergal at June 19, 2021 07:39 PM (pmLp6)
Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 07:40 PM (Cxk7w)
Cary Grant was handsome right up to 65 - he had just the right facial structure...Tony Curtis was incredibly handsome at 30 but a not so much at 50...you could make a living examining what facial structure makes for attractiveness past certain ages...
Posted by: Boswell at June 19, 2021 07:40 PM (5iUNf)
Posted by: Too Bad Costa Rica Sucks at June 19, 2021 07:40 PM (JP4JT)
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Getting old isn't all bad.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Imma go see what's on sale for Juneteenth at June 19, 2021 07:40 PM (7/jQJ)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 07:41 PM (KZzsI)
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That's a pretty good criteria. I rate books that way myself. Anything that gets a "B" or better is a book that I can read again. "A+" is something I can read endlessly and find something new every time.
Posted by: Lord Squirrel at June 19, 2021 07:41 PM (K5n5d)
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What's the seventh Dune book?
Posted by: Lord Squirrel at June 19, 2021 07:42 PM (K5n5d)
them. Many newer might get there but only seen once or twice so not sure
yet.
Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 07:40 PM (Cxk7w)
"Gardens of Stone" was a great Army movie. The war scenes were pretty bad though.
Posted by: Javems at June 19, 2021 07:42 PM (8SSHh)
"A+" is something I can read endlessly and find something new every time.
That is the very definition of a great classic book or movie or song.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 19, 2021 07:42 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 07:42 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 07:42 PM (Cxk7w)
Posted by: moviegique at June 19, 2021 07:42 PM (dhFCT)
As an actor, he liked getting paid. He could be quite good--See "Chinatown" for example--but it was a sideline for him.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 19, 2021 07:43 PM (OU+8W)
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 07:35 PM (gJfTA)
***adjusts tight collar nervously***
I like Shakespeare in Love.
I love the supporting actors, each and every one.
It's a "guilty pleasure viewing".
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:43 PM (BgMrQ)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Imma go see what's on sale for Juneteenth at June 19, 2021 07:40 PM (7/jQJ)
Unless you turn into a sandtrout!
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:44 PM (BgMrQ)
I love the supporting actors, each and every one.
It's a "guilty pleasure viewing".
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:43 PM (BgMrQ)
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I think it's a wonderful little comedy with wonderful production values.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 07:44 PM (LvTSG)
Tomahawk or the Church Recruitment scene? I also like the where he cons the General AND STILL takes his dogs LOL
Lucius Malfoy was great "as the ruthless Colonel William Tavington. Is it weird that I keep identifying with anti-heroes? Mags, Severus, William Money.
I think it's a hunger for men who have the Will to Act, since that's what is missing from the GOP these days. I don't want to turn the other cheek, I want to turn theirs.
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 19, 2021 07:44 PM (83lwH)
Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:35 PM (uEbPt)
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I dunno, I really enjoyed Gladiator...It has the distinction of being the first DVD I ever bought....I just love the scene where Maximus enters the arena for the first time. The sound of the roaring crowd is just amazing...
Posted by: Lord Squirrel at June 19, 2021 07:44 PM (K5n5d)
We could have an entire thread on attractiveness of actors and actresses.
Charlton Heston was handsome even in Wayne's World II late in life.
Julie Andrews.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 19, 2021 07:45 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:47 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: f'd at June 19, 2021 07:47 PM (Tnijr)
Posted by: Lord Squirrel at June 19, 2021 07:44 PM (K5n5d)
Hard to imagine anyone other than Russell Crowe in that role.
And here's another instance where a supporting character stole the show: Oliver Reed was outstanding in his final role ever. What a way to go out!
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:48 PM (BgMrQ)
Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:48 PM (uEbPt)
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Some actors age like fine wine over time...
Posted by: Lord Squirrel at June 19, 2021 07:48 PM (K5n5d)
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:48 PM (L2ZTs)
Every decade up until the 2000's, in my opinion has at least three to four films, the 2000's have zero.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 19, 2021 07:48 PM (Siz82)
Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:48 PM (uEbPt)
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I see just about as much talk about Howard Hawks.
Eh...it happens.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 07:48 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 07:49 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: washrivergal at June 19, 2021 07:36 PM (pmLp6)
Oooh, we should do "Best Movies Based on a Play".
Though I hear you. Some directors do a good job of "opening it out" and some don't.
I'd nominate "A Man for All Seasons", "Pygmalion" and "The Crucible".
Posted by: Sal at June 19, 2021 07:49 PM (Uu3D6)
Who was in that Giant Ants movie?
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at June 19, 2021 06:59 PM (EuI+k)
Huston was in Chinatown - not exactly a D movie.....
Nigel Davenport was in Phase IV.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at June 19, 2021 07:49 PM (SRRAx)
thanks for those picks. I will try to check them out if I have access. I have enjoyed a few good ones from Mexico and Spain. ANd for sure The Lives of Others. My Oz pick would be Breaker Morant for sure. But why only have one, i will try to check out your picks. And Germany, Ron Lola Run was fun. I have enjoyed a few other too, even some that might be considered comedies in some way.
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 07:49 PM (gJfTA)
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:48 PM (L2ZTs)
One of the great English Boozers.
Peter O'Toole and Richard Burton being others.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:49 PM (BgMrQ)
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:48 PM (BgMrQ)
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A lot of excellent actors. Russel Crowe, Joaquin Phoenix, Richard Harris, & Oliver Reed all gave great performances.
Posted by: Lord Squirrel at June 19, 2021 07:50 PM (K5n5d)
Posted by: Puddleglum at June 19, 2021 07:50 PM (QFVV9)
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 07:50 PM (gJfTA)
Eh...it happens.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 07:48 PM (LvTSG)
I wasn't complaining, I was thinking it reinforced Bender's point. I swerved right to Atomic Blonde so what can I tell you. The only thing I really know about Howard Hawks is Scarface.
Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:50 PM (uEbPt)
Posted by: f'd at June 19, 2021 07:50 PM (Tnijr)
Worth a look. Especially the tv series.
Posted by: Darth Randall at June 19, 2021 07:50 PM (ciWUB)
I believe both Shaw and Reed's idea of a good time was to go out, get rip-roaring drunk, and get into fistfights with people.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:51 PM (L2ZTs)
I think tiering is the way the kids are doing it these days.
Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:52 PM (uEbPt)
Posted by: Puddleglum at June 19, 2021 07:50 PM (QFVV9)
I love that movie. Sure it is major anti war, but it is a good film. It took me forever to realize the kid in the movie was the same guy who played Dish in Lonesome Dove.
Also I served with a former Old Guard member. He said everything in the book Gardens of Stone was realistic. I read the book, it is worth checking out.
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 07:52 PM (gJfTA)
Posted by: f'd
UHF is a gem of a movie. A sublime goofball flick. Weird Al Yankovich was robbed of an Oscar!!
Posted by: Puddleglum at June 19, 2021 07:52 PM (QFVV9)
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:53 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 19, 2021 07:53 PM (EZebt)
Posted by: Eromero at June 19, 2021 07:54 PM (0OP+5)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 07:54 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:53 PM (L2ZTs)
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He's done the theme songs for Spy Hard and the Captain Underpants movie.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 07:54 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 07:54 PM (gJfTA)
Posted by: Sal at June 19, 2021 07:49 PM (Uu3D6)
A Man For All Seasons benefited from being filmed on location. It definitely did not have a "stage play feel" to it due to that aspect alone.
And if you go from Pygmalion to My Fair Lady (stage) to MFL (screen) the same thing takes place: using real physical locations take one out of the stage play mindset.
The Crucible will always feel like a stage play, where ever it's set.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:54 PM (BgMrQ)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 19, 2021 07:53 PM (EZebt)
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You're welcome.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 07:54 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:52 PM (uEbPt)
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Yeah, tiering is probably the way to go. "Best" movies can be somewhat subjective, based on individual taste. However, it can be helpful to put movies (or books) into a tier system based on various criteria. For instance, most of the books I read are in the "B-" to "B+" range, while the cream of the crop are in the "A-" to "A+" range. Haven't ranked movies that way (yet).
Posted by: Lord Squirrel at June 19, 2021 07:54 PM (K5n5d)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 19, 2021 07:54 PM (vuisn)
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:56 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: ... at June 19,
Yep; and the book was good, too !
Posted by: JT at June 19, 2021 07:56 PM (arJlL)
Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 07:56 PM (Cxk7w)
I believe both Shaw and Reed's idea of a good time was to go out, get rip-roaring drunk, and get into fistfights with people.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:51 PM (L2ZTs)
Reed got his face cut up by a broken beer bottle (maybe a glass) once in a pub fight. He thought the resulting scars would ruin he acting career.
Posted by: Javems at June 19, 2021 07:57 PM (8SSHh)
It actually reminded me of A Clockwork Orange, it paints such a bleak picture of society, especially welfare society.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 07:57 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 19, 2021 07:58 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: MAxIE at June 19, 2021 07:58 PM (dVkJu)
Posted by: JT at June 19, 2021 07:58 PM (arJlL)
I mean, stuff like Arsenic and Old Lace, Amadeus, The Lion in Winter, and all of the Shakespeare stuff was a play first, so it can be done well.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 07:58 PM (KZzsI)
Even with a more relaxed definition, the 2000's ain't done much on that score.
Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 07:58 PM (uEbPt)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 19, 2021 07:53 PM (EZebt)
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You're welcome.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 07:54 PM (LvTSG)
Must not be 29...
I would posit that Hordeians of a certain vintage are more familiar with Hawkes than they know. Same goes for Frank Capra.
But his overall point stands, thanks for the movie thread!
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 07:58 PM (BgMrQ)
not anti war, that is not the right term. More nihilist about the war. We can be anti war and still see the good in human endurance. And that causes that are blurry at best, can have some meaning.
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 07:59 PM (gJfTA)
Posted by: dartist at June 19, 2021 08:00 PM (+ya+t)
Posted by: Puddleglum at June 19, 2021 08:01 PM (QFVV9)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:01 PM (Dc2NZ)
Posted by: Skip
have you ever seen A Walk in the Sun ?
Posted by: JT at June 19, 2021 08:01 PM (arJlL)
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I read recently that 30% of pilots assigned the Sopwith Camel died trying to learn to fly it. Its rotary engine created enormous torque that was deadly to the inexperienced.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 19, 2021 08:03 PM (d9FiS)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 08:03 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 08:03 PM (Cxk7w)
Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 07:56 PM (Cxk7w)
it is a lame term on my part. I meant there is something about how they portray the war that gives a very particular side and misses out on other context. there is nothing rare about that. It is something we all see and interpret in our own ways. Few would call Saving Private Ryan "anti war" but certainly it showed the horrors of war. And again, I like Gardens of Stone, the movie and the book. Even perspectives I might not fully embrace I appreciate if they are told well.
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:03 PM (gJfTA)
Posted by: Lord Squirrel at June 19, 2021 08:04 PM (K5n5d)
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Is this how the kids say "bangin'" now? Cuz I thought the soundtrack was terrific.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:04 PM (Dc2NZ)
the most but I can make a list of them. Certainly Cowboys has to be one
of those, I just love that movie even if the Duke dies in it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 08:03 PM (KZzsI)
Lonesome Dove to me is the best production and novel. As a theatrical performance, as art, you can't beat The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:05 PM (gJfTA)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 08:03 PM (KZzsI)
Oddly enough, most Westerns don't hold up for me.
The only ones that do are Lonesome Dove, and Open Range. Those I can re-watch and enjoy at any time of year.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 08:05 PM (BgMrQ)
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The Yee Haw scene.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 19, 2021 08:05 PM (d9FiS)
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The Yee Haw scene.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 19, 2021 08:05 PM (d9FiS)
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That's the one.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:06 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: JT at June 19, 2021 08:06 PM (arJlL)
Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at June 19, 2021 08:07 PM (Psv/l)
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:07 PM (gJfTA)
Posted by: JT at June 19, 2021 08:08 PM (arJlL)
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 08:08 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 08:08 PM (Cxk7w)
Posted by: JT at June 19, 2021 08:06 PM (arJlL)
there is a non fiction book about the making of that movie. I would skip it and just enjoy the film. It was certainly one of the ten most important Westerns imo.
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:08 PM (gJfTA)
Posted by: JT at June 19, 2021 08:08 PM (arJlL)
Posted by: jeet at June 19, 2021 08:09 PM (OgGoB)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 19, 2021 08:05 PM (d9FiS)
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That's the one.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:06 PM (LvTSG)
It even got mentioned in City Slickers at the start of their cattle drive...remember???
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 08:09 PM (BgMrQ)
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 08:09 PM (BgMrQ)
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I think I've seen City Slickers...It's been a long while, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:10 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: f'd at June 19, 2021 08:10 PM (Tnijr)
https://legalinsurrection.com/eleven u s mayors call for paying reparations in their cities
Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 08:10 PM (Cxk7w)
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 08:10 PM (BgMrQ)
Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 08:11 PM (Cxk7w)
Ed Ames on the Tonite Show ?
Posted by: JT at June 19, 2021 08:08 PM (arJlL)
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Frontier bris!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:11 PM (Dc2NZ)
Posted by: vivi at June 19, 2021 08:12 PM (USW1s)
Ed Ames on the Tonite Show ?
Posted by: JT at June 19, 2021 08:08 PM (arJlL)
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I was asleep, but it made my parents howl for days!
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 08:12 PM (BgMrQ)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 19, 2021 08:13 PM (vuisn)
https://legalinsurrection.com/eleven u s mayors call for paying reparations in their cities
Posted by: Skip
Let me take a wild guess... These mayors' voters would receive said reparations.
Posted by: davidt at June 19, 2021 08:13 PM (3Bi4L)
Have a great evening everyone
Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 08:13 PM (Cxk7w)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:13 PM (Dc2NZ)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:13 PM (Dc2NZ)
Posted by: f'd at June 19, 2021 08:13 PM (Tnijr)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 19, 2021 08:13 PM (vuisn)
I did it more as a Yahoooo...than a yee haw!
Posted by: Slim Pickins at June 19, 2021 08:14 PM (BgMrQ)
Eh...it happens.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 07:48 PM (LvTSG)
You said everything that could be said. Good job.
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 08:14 PM (2DOZq)
For me it's hard to choose between The Cowboys, The Quiet Man and Sands of Iwo Jima.
Posted by: Just a side note
I'd have to choose between The Searchers and The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 19, 2021 08:16 PM (d9FiS)
Posted by: f'd at June 19, 2021 08:16 PM (Tnijr)
Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:17 PM (W7GZM)
Known.
Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:17 PM (W7GZM)
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ZOD!!!
*kneels*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:17 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Eromero at June 19, 2021 08:17 PM (0OP+5)
Posted by: Skip
I watched Das Boot a couple of days ago. I hadn't seen it in a few years. That is arguably the best war movie ever made. A very powerful movie.
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at June 19, 2021 08:18 PM (AiZBA)
Known.
Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:17 PM (W7GZM)
***United Airlines enters the room***
Ahem...
Posted by: Slim Pickins at June 19, 2021 08:18 PM (BgMrQ)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because America needs a holiday celebrating ignorance of news at June 19, 2021 08:18 PM (mlBAr)
Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2021 08:10 PM (Cxk7w)
Fine. Take it from the tax dollars of all of the slave-owning white Democrat voters of those cities, and ONLY those cities.
After all, Republicans freed the slaves.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at June 19, 2021 08:18 PM (SRRAx)
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at June 19, 2021 08:18 PM (sJHOI)
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 08:19 PM (BgMrQ)
*kneels*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:17 PM (LvTSG)
Florida was surveyed as a relocation destination last week. Florida failed.
Your home state will now be surveyed.
Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:19 PM (W7GZM)
Lots of rapid-fire conversations and overtalk (if that is the right word). "Holy cats!"
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:19 PM (Dc2NZ)
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A history professor friend of mine loves showing that movie to her students. She sets up a special extra credit movie session and brings them pizza (at least until COVID hit last year).
Posted by: Lord Squirrel at June 19, 2021 08:19 PM (K5n5d)
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:19 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at June 19, 2021 08:18 PM (sJHOI)
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Thanks! Now in my queue.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:21 PM (Dc2NZ)
the argument can be made that it's Spielberg's all-time best.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:21 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 19, 2021 08:21 PM (63Dwl)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 19, 2021 08:21 PM (63Dwl)
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Well, the last 30 minutes was.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:21 PM (LvTSG)
I love the supporting actors, each and every one.
It's a "guilty pleasure viewing"."
Another case of the supporting actors stealing them show.
Posted by: Tuna at June 19, 2021 08:22 PM (gLRfa)
Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:22 PM (W7GZM)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:10 PM (LvTSG)
It i a great early 90s film. Maybe great is being thrown around too much, but it was a very well made movie for what it was trying to do. I even liked City Slickers 2, though it was more of a B movie. There are some good scenes in that one though, like when Lovitz wont stop reciting lines for The Godfather. Also i just like the idea of guys in the middle of nowhere looking for gold. Was it Treasure of the Sierra Madre? No, it was not.
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:22 PM (gJfTA)
Posted by: qdpsteve
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I'm sort of embarrassed that I've been alive this long and only just now realized how easy and appropriate it would be.
It could never be made, of course.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because America needs a holiday celebrating ignorance of news at June 19, 2021 08:23 PM (mlBAr)
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:23 PM (gJfTA)
Quigley Down Under
Man From Snowy River
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 08:23 PM (2DOZq)
Quigley Down Under
Man From Snowy River
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 08:23 PM (2DOZq)
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The Proposition.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:24 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:24 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:24 PM (Dc2NZ)
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:23 PM (gJfTA)
Heh...
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 08:24 PM (BgMrQ)
I love "The Thing From Another World". One thing the remake was more faithful at was the mimicking nature of the aliens.
The mimicking thing would have been harder to do before the more modern special effects.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 19, 2021 08:25 PM (63Dwl)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:24 PM (LvTSG
Yes very good but not a feel good movie
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 08:26 PM (2DOZq)
Sweet movies, not a lot of substance to them, but enjoyable in their own right.
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 08:26 PM (BgMrQ)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:24 PM (LvTSG
Yes very good but not a feel good movie
Posted by: Just a side note at June 19, 2021 08:26 PM (2DOZq)
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"We're not misanthropes. We're a family."
-My spirit animal
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:26 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at June 19, 2021 08:26 PM (sJHOI)
Denzel was at his best. And there were solid supporting performances. Great sfx. And a good story about repentance and redemption.
Posted by: Hands at June 19, 2021 08:28 PM (786Ro)
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 08:24 PM (BgMrQ)
he does that in both City Slicker films as I recall.
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:28 PM (gJfTA)
Posted by: clutch at June 19, 2021 08:28 PM (9UmRs)
The Lion in Winter, and all of the Shakespeare stuff was a play first,
so it can be done well.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor, world's most respected Fantasy Hero writer at June 19, 2021 07:58 PM (KZzsI)
+++I don't dislike plays. I have seen a number of them, including a few Shakespeare productions, and the movies you listed were done extremely well. But I've also sat through some very tedious movies that were based on plays where the producer kind of stuck to the original script and abandoned any hope of using other visuals and enhancements.
Posted by: washrivergal at June 19, 2021 08:29 PM (pmLp6)
I like the Riddick movies. No H8 H8rz!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:29 PM (Dc2NZ)
Hahahahaha!
Posted by: The Otter at June 19, 2021 08:29 PM (3Bi4L)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at June 19, 2021 08:30 PM (SRRAx)
Posted by: washrivergal at June 19, 2021 08:29 PM (pmLp6)
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Hitchcock's first full talkie was an adaptation of a play, Juno and the Paycock.
It's one of his worst movies. It's closed off and dull to watch.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:30 PM (LvTSG)
I like the Riddick movies. No H8 H8rz!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:29 PM (Dc2NZ)
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Riddick is the best Riddick movie. It's also the only good one.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:30 PM (LvTSG)
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Nick Cave is an outstanding storyteller, especially if you like his particular overall style.
He's got a book titled "And the Ass Saw the Angel" that is great. Disturbing as heck, but great.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because America needs a holiday celebrating ignorance of news at June 19, 2021 08:31 PM (mlBAr)
Hahahahaha!
Posted by: The Otter at June 19, 2021 08:29 PM (3Bi4L)
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!
Well played Otter, well played!
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 08:31 PM (BgMrQ)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at June 19, 2021 08:31 PM (SRRAx)
What's a paycock ?
Posted by: JT at June 19, 2021 08:31 PM (arJlL)
A ranch owner and his foreman go back East to recruit women to come marry his hands. The main action is the trek West.
I like it because it is gritty, but there is no GrrrrlPower- just
brave women trying to make a better life for themselves.
Posted by: Sal at June 19, 2021 08:32 PM (Uu3D6)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:30 PM (LvTSG)
***obligatory***
It's no Prometheus...
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 08:32 PM (BgMrQ)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:30 PM (LvTSG)
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No love for Pitch Black? It's B movie goodness.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:32 PM (Dc2NZ)
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Very good and very weird story...definitely in the style of Aeon Flux and well worth watching.
Posted by: Lord Squirrel at June 19, 2021 08:32 PM (K5n5d)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:33 PM (Dc2NZ)
What's a paycock ?
Posted by: JT at June 19, 2021 08:31 PM (arJlL)
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If I remember the movie correctly, it's a term for a spendthrift. Colloquial to early 20th century Ireland, I believe.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:33 PM (LvTSG)
American Beauty
Any Wes Anderson movie
Rudy
Sideways
Animal House
Wedding Crashers
There are others.
Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:33 PM (W7GZM)
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:34 PM (gJfTA)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:30 PM (LvTSG)
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No love for Pitch Black? It's B movie goodness.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:32 PM (Dc2NZ)
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I find it really unscary and Riddick himself to be really dull as a character. He's not interesting until Riddick.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:34 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Puddleglum at June 19, 2021 08:34 PM (QFVV9)
Posted by: JT at June 19, 2021 08:01 PM (arJlL)
i have.
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:07 PM (gJfTA)
Just a walk in the sun, the warm Italian sun...
Posted by: Fox2! at June 19, 2021 08:34 PM (qyH+l)
Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:35 PM (W7GZM)
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:35 PM (gJfTA)
American Beauty
Any Wes Anderson movie
Rudy
Sideways
Animal House
Wedding Crashers
There are others.
Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:33 PM (W7GZM)
Take Animal House (Karen Allen...rawr) and Wedding Crashers (Rachel McAdams yummy) off your list and I agree your Zodness!
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 08:36 PM (BgMrQ)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Juneteenth, because America needs a holiday celebrating ignorance of news at June 19, 2021 08:37 PM (mlBAr)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:33 PM (Dc2NZ)
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This may be an unpopular opinion, but I really enjoy The Chronicles of Riddick. Is it a good film? No, not really, but it's one of my guilty pleasures...The world building is just weird and twisted, like me.
Posted by: Lord Squirrel at June 19, 2021 08:37 PM (K5n5d)
However, the lovely and discerning Mrs naturalfake doesn't care for it at all because, "it's too theatrical.".
And she's right, all those great English actors are delivering great British performances using their great plummy theatrical voices. But, I don't care.
Like with "His Girl Friday" or a musical like "My Fair Lady", it doesn't matter whether it's realistic or not as long as I'm entertained and the plot is well-constructed.
The funny thing to me is that some of the people I know who hate musicals or old B&W movies for their unreality love love lurv Quentin Tarantino movies and that guy's never even approached a realistic movie in his whole oeuvre. Ma-a-a-aybe "Jackie Brown" but it too is chock full of unrealism.
Posted by: naturalfake at June 19, 2021 08:38 PM (dWwl8)
A critic said of 'The Martian' that "there's something salutary in watching Matt Damon's character eat a potato grown in his own shit."
It's as thought the scriptwriter and casting director were, well, geniuses.
Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:40 PM (W7GZM)
"Westward the Women" is a little known and underrated Western.
I watch that every time it comes on TV.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 19, 2021 08:40 PM (63Dwl)
As well as the Dr Strangelove 4k disc I've been trying to let you know about... :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:41 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 19, 2021 08:41 PM (R/m4+)
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:41 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 19, 2021 08:42 PM (ybIRR)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
You don't. It's never revealed.
Posted by: Puddleglum at June 19, 2021 08:42 PM (QFVV9)
As well as the Dr Strangelove 4k disc I've been trying to let you know about... :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:41 PM (L2ZTs)
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Yeah, I comment regularly at Blu-ray.com. I've heard about the Ran 4K release in Britain. It mirrors the Studio Canal release of Nights of Cabiria a bit, a few months before the announcement of the Fellini Criterion boxset.
I'm more convinced than ever that in the next couple of months Criterion will announce a Kurosawa boxset.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:42 PM (LvTSG)
But, he (actually his leg is all we ever see, except for one very quick glimpse of his hands) was played by Cory Loftin, who was also the stunt coordinator on Duel.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:42 PM (L2ZTs)
Dang I thought you hit the mattresses. Just getting ready to throw in with Humongous. Now I have to rethink that.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * mislabeled at June 19, 2021 08:42 PM (Tofb3)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:04 PM (Dc2NZ)
Is bangin how you kids say rad?
Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 08:43 PM (uEbPt)
Given the trickle of Kubrick 4k releases, I wonder if one or more box sets of those will be forthcoming within a few years.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:43 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
iirc, you see his feet at the gas station.
Posted by: davidt at June 19, 2021 08:44 PM (3Bi4L)
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:45 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Sock Monkey * mislabeled at June 19, 2021 08:45 PM (Tofb3)
The King Of Queens once did a *fantastic* spoof of Duel in an episode where Doug gets his own ice cream truck.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:46 PM (L2ZTs)
Ran is the best production of King Lear.
And let's cut to the chase, Kurosawa, may be one
of the top 5 best directors ever.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 19, 2021 08:46 PM (Siz82)
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at June 19, 2021 08:36 PM (BgMrQ)
Animal house was great, to use that lame term i keep using. But Sideways? That was a very good film.
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:46 PM (gJfTA)
Harrison Ford's boots.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * mislabeled at June 19, 2021 08:46 PM (Tofb3)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
iirc, you see his feet at the gas station.
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That's what's so frightening about it. You never see the villain, making is so much scarier...
Posted by: Lord Squirrel at June 19, 2021 08:47 PM (K5n5d)
Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:47 PM (W7GZM)
Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:33 PM (W7GZM)
Most Sandler and Ferrell movies.
Posted by: ... at June 19, 2021 08:47 PM (uEbPt)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 19, 2021 08:48 PM (R/m4+)
Posted by: davidt at June 19, 2021 08:49 PM (3Bi4L)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
You don't. It's never revealed.
Posted by: Puddleglum at June 19, 2021 08:42 PM (QFVV9)
It's ZOD.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:50 PM (Dc2NZ)
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:46 PM (gJfTA)
"There's something about wine. When you drink it, you think of the people who grew the grapes, the time it took. It's very sentimental. It touches me. Hey, did you hear that? Sounded like...a hippie girl on acid..."
Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:50 PM (W7GZM)
It looks like the Ran 4k disc is gonna be a British release only, meaning I'm not sure if the disc will be compatible with American players.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:51 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: f'd at June 19, 2021 08:51 PM (Tnijr)
you think of the people who grew the grapes, the time it took. It's very
sentimental. It touches me. Hey, did you hear that? Sounded like...a
hippie girl on acid..."
Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:50 PM (W7GZM)
it was foreplay.
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:52 PM (gJfTA)
Posted by: davidt at June 19, 2021 08:49 PM (3Bi4L)
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Another movie where a supporting actor (Tom Cruise as Les Grossman) steals the show...
Posted by: Lord Squirrel at June 19, 2021 08:52 PM (K5n5d)
It looks like the Ran 4k disc is gonna be a British release only, meaning I'm not sure if the disc will be compatible with American players.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:51 PM (L2ZTs)
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4K doesn't have regions. Any 4K disc from any country will work in any player for any country.
I have Escape from New York's 4K from England, and it works perfectly fine in my American 4K player. The Blu-ray disc is limited to Region B and doesn't work, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:52 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
I just assumed it was Richard Nixon.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 19, 2021 08:52 PM (d9FiS)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at June 19, 2021 08:50 PM (Dc2NZ)
Feeling tuckered?
Feeling blue?
Traipse around the
Imperial Petting Zoo.
Burma-ZOD.
Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:53 PM (W7GZM)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 19, 2021 08:53 PM (ybIRR)
Posted by: f'd at June 19, 2021 08:51 PM (Tnijr)
Are we talking the movie "Near Dark?" that was a good flick.
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:54 PM (gJfTA)
Only drawback left then is that so far, the Ran 4k disc is only available at Amazon's UK site.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:54 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
You don't. It's never revealed.
Posted by: Puddleglum at June 19, 2021 08:42 PM (QFVV9)
It's ZOD.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread)
Thread winner and blatant potentate butt kissing.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * mislabeled at June 19, 2021 08:54 PM (Tofb3)
Posted by: naturalfake at June 19, 2021 08:54 PM (dWwl8)
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:55 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: ZOD at June 19, 2021 08:55 PM (W7GZM)
Only drawback left then is that so far, the Ran 4k disc is only available at Amazon's UK site.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:54 PM (L2ZTs)
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Shipping's expensive...
But there will come some third party sellers on Amazon.com who will carry it eventually. Otherwise look through Zavvi or DiabolikDVD. The latter is where I pre-ordered the Arrow release of Dune's 4K.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:55 PM (LvTSG)
FWIW, my picks were limited to post-2000 movies, so no "Breaker Morant".
There are great movies being made, just not so much in America any more.
Posted by: moviegique at June 19, 2021 08:56 PM (dhFCT)
Posted by: f'd
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Near Dark is kind of a Vampire Cowboy movie.
Posted by: Puddleglum at June 19, 2021 08:57 PM (QFVV9)
Posted by: f'd at June 19, 2021 08:57 PM (Tnijr)
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 08:57 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 19, 2021 08:57 PM (d9FiS)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 19, 2021 08:58 PM (63Dwl)
How are things with Sandra? I hope she is steady and recovering.
If not, may her passing be swift and painless for her. Nothing can take away the psychic pain.
Prayers still ascending for you and yours.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 19, 2021 08:58 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 19, 2021 08:57 PM (d9FiS)
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I love the implied joke early about diets. The teacher is talking about how a diet heavy in meats is best, but it's supposed to be funny because the movie was made in the early 90s when we all knew that we had to eat lots of grains and carbs to be healthy...which is not the case.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at June 19, 2021 08:58 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: davidt at June 19, 2021 08:59 PM (3Bi4L)
Posted by: lowandslow at June 19, 2021 08:59 PM (4thlk)
Posted by: moviegique at June 19, 2021 08:56 PM (dhFCT)
I appreciate the reccos there.
Posted by: Quint at June 19, 2021 08:59 PM (gJfTA)
Posted by: f'd at June 19, 2021 09:00 PM (Tnijr)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 19, 2021 09:02 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
I just assumed it was Richard Nixon.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 19, 2021 08:52 PM (d9FiS)
duh, it was Goldwater
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at June 19, 2021 09:02 PM (sJHOI)
Posted by: lowandslow
You're not alone! It was entertaining.
Posted by: Puddleglum at June 19, 2021 09:03 PM (QFVV9)
Posted by: Braenyard at June 19, 2021 09:04 PM (jyW7T)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 19, 2021 09:05 PM (ybIRR)
Posted by: BifBewalski - at June 19, 2021 09:05 PM (VcFUs)
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Gasoline was going for 24.9¢ a gallon.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at June 19, 2021 09:06 PM (d9FiS)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 19, 2021 09:05 PM (ybIRR)
I find W Anderson's preoccupation with visual symmetry seriously distracting and off-putting
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at June 19, 2021 09:08 PM (sJHOI)
Hawks also had a stylistic tic which makes his style immediately recognizable: he let the actors talk over each other. It gives his scenes a rapid-fire character that brings a lot of energy to his films.
BTW, in "Rio Bravo", I've read that the young gunslinger played by Rick Nelson was originally offered to Elvis, but Colonel Parker turned it down. Elvis would have been great in that part, and seeing him play off of John Wayne and Dean Martin (and Angie Dickinson) would have been classic.
Posted by: Nemo at June 19, 2021 09:10 PM (S6ArX)
I just watched Red River for the first time a few weeks ago. Pretty good flick.
As for The Big Sleep, I prefer the Robert Mitchum version. It gets panned by the snobs, but Mitchum is much more Marlowe than Bogart. Bogart is Sam Spade but he is not Marlowe.
IMHO, Bogarts performance in "In a Lonely Place" was his best. A close second is his performance in "The Caine Mutiny".
"I think this is one reason why the film geek community tends to skip over Hawks. It's not that they don't like him, but that they just don't think about him. " I am not sure who you hang with, but in my circle Howard Hawks is mentioned often as a fine director. Must the age group. Mine is older and hence is aware of some of the older directors.
A director to cover is John Sturges. Alot of great action movies.
Posted by: zogger at June 19, 2021 09:11 PM (pJSvF)
I like the scene when the Roman Cavalry squad ride to his farm, the boy running out to them in joy thinking his father has finally returned, the change in the mother's expression as she watches trampled to death. The sudden shift from hope to horror still gives me chills.
Amazing how much a good director can convey with 15 secs of exposition.
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 19, 2021 09:19 PM (83lwH)
Also I just found out, Paramount Presents is releasing both Nashville and Bugsy Malone this fall.
Posted by: qdpsteve at June 19, 2021 09:21 PM (L2ZTs)
I love "His Girl Friday," with the additional bits that weren't in "The Front Page," mostly those with "Diamond Louie" and the very blonde blonde. And the rapid-fire "Gimme the desk!" dialog when Williams escapes is a hoot.
Ironically, I don't care for the Hildy Johnson sex switch. I know the Russell/Grant combo made the film a success, but the angle to get Russell involved feels as if she was shoehorned in.
I should try Hawks' Westerns.
Posted by: Weak Geek (dad of three in their 20s) at June 19, 2021 09:25 PM (Om/di)
That's what I miss most about the Marine - being part of a wolfpack. Nothing existed within 2000m without our permission. It was glorious.
Also the Emperor's expression as the battle ends in the opening scene. He is so weary of war and now it's finally over.
You know what, I gotta change my vote. Gladiator is definitely the best. So many good scenes.
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 19, 2021 09:26 PM (83lwH)
Chapterhouse.
It goes
1) Dune
2) Dune Messiah
3) Children of Dune
4) God Emperor
5) Heretics
6) Chapterhouse
...oh. Well this is awkward. Sorry to get your hopes up
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 19, 2021 09:28 PM (83lwH)
Posted by: Hoyt's Paid Turkish Provocateur at June 19, 2021 09:53 PM (83lwH)
Whole. Cloth.
Posted by: Weak Geek (dad of three in their 20s) at June 19, 2021 10:03 PM (Om/di)
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at June 19, 2021 10:12 PM (AiZBA)
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Real Clear Politics
Gallup
Paul Anka Haiku Contest Announcement
Integrity SAT's: Entrance Exam for Paul Anka's Band
AllahPundit's Paul Anka 45's Collection
AnkaPundit: Paul Anka Takes Over the Site for a Weekend (Continues through to Monday's postings)
George Bush Slices Don Rumsfeld Like an F*ckin' Hammer
Democratic Forays into Erotica
New Shows On Gore's DNC/MTV Network
Nicknames for Potatoes, By People Who Really Hate Potatoes
Star Wars Euphemisms for Self-Abuse
Signs You're at an Iraqi "Wedding Party"
Signs Your Clown Has Gone Bad
Signs That You, Geroge Michael, Should Probably Just Give It Up
Signs of Hip-Hop Influence on John Kerry
NYT Headlines Spinning Bush's Jobs Boom
Things People Are More Likely to Say Than "Did You Hear What Al Franken Said Yesterday?"
Signs that Paul Krugman Has Lost His Frickin' Mind
All-Time Best NBA Players, According to Senator Robert Byrd
Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran
Signs That David Letterman Just Doesn't Care Anymore
Examples of Bob Kerrey's Insufferable Racial Jackassery
Signs Andy Rooney Is Going Senile
Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance
Collective Names for Groups of People
John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets
Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle
Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)