Nearly Half of All Women are Failing the Army's Physical Fitness Test

While men pass it easily.

Someone should clue these women in that sex is just a construct and personal choice and that they can bang out 100 push-ups, easy, if they just decide that they're men.

More than seven months after the official launch of the Army Combat Fitness Test, or ACFT, nearly half of female soldiers are still falling short, with enlisted women struggling the most, Military.com has learned. The data again raises questions about whether the Army's attempt to create a fitter force is creating more barriers to success for women.
Internal Army figures from April show 44% of women failed the ACFT, compared to 7% of men since Oct. 1. "Female soldiers continue to lag male soldier scores in all events," according to a United States Army Forces Command briefing obtained by Military.com.

In the below ad to recruit more women into the Army, the Army makes it a primary selling point that the Army welcomes lesbians into its ranks.

Psst, Army: I think the word's already out on that one. I don't think you have to spend money to let lesbians know that.

Maybe you should also make ads letting lesbians know that the WNBA welcomes them, too!

Wow.

First it was the woke CIA ad, now it is a super-woke woke animated army recruitment ad featuring a lesbian wedding, an LGBT rights parade and women "shattering stereotypes" by joining the world's largest killing machine. pic.twitter.com/xDqP39EQei
— Alan MacLeod (@AlanRMacLeod) May 12, 2021

This woke bullshit isn't even appealing to the left, as it's designed to do.

Lefties are ridiculing the CIA and Army for promising that when they drop bombs on brown people, at least it will be "diverse" people dropping the bombs.

But I do think that this is about flooding these agencies with leftwingers, to make sure that we do to the CIA and Army what the left has already done to academia and corporate boardrooms -- overtake it so thoroughly that there is no chance of any conservative-leaning person ever advancing in those organizations.

And they'll succeed with the Army, just as they already succeeded with the CIA, the DOJ, and the FBI.

And Republican politicians will continue cheering these institutions.

Posted by: Ace at 04:01 PM

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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 12, 2021 03:00 PM (LvTSG)

2 Back for more!

Posted by: 496 at May 12, 2021 03:01 PM (U1eOr)

3 The data again raises questions about whether the Army's attempt to create a fitter force is creating more barriers to success for women.

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So, which is more important?

A fit fighting force or having more women in it?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 12, 2021 03:01 PM (LvTSG)

4 I'm glad I got out back in 2012. I could read the writing on the wall.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 12, 2021 03:01 PM (jOcSX)

5 That's because half the women attempting the ACFT are fat slobs who believe the military is a jobs program for loafers. Don't even get me started on deliberately getting pregnant to avoid deployment.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2021 03:03 PM (CyB2R)

6 one of the moms in the cartoon looks like a dude
such stereotypes
we want cartoon busty lipstick lesbians

Posted by: DB- just DB at May 12, 2021 03:03 PM (iTXRQ)

7 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 12, 2021 03:04 PM (Zz0t1)

8 IIRC the Army reduced standards to have more women pass.

Posted by: MAGA (stop the steal link in this nic) at May 12, 2021 03:04 PM (eMEkg)

9 A lot of excellent soldiers age getting out of the new woke military. Our military will be shit in no time. But thats good news when CW2 starts. We will be facing gender confused woketards who can't do a single pullup or shoot a rifle.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at May 12, 2021 03:04 PM (o2MD2)

10 What about an army of Trigglypuffs and Stacey Abrams? Think Putin might think twice about messing with the US?

Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six! at May 12, 2021 03:04 PM (ptqGC)

11 In my younger and much fitter days, I had a goal to pass my Army husband's APFT. I never made it. I'm a former three-sport athlete, have multiple siblings who are D1 athletes, and was in the best shape of my life. It's almost like men and women are different or something.

Posted by: Catherine at May 12, 2021 03:05 PM (41zFX)

12 Ace - you're 100% right that they're remaking the armed forces in order to "other" conservatives.

I think that's what is behind the months-long DC occupation. Their goal is to make conservative reservists think twice about re-upping and to scare off would-be reservists. That just leaves their recent "trans"plants.

WASTF. Swalwell should've just nuked us a couple years ago.

Posted by: 496 at May 12, 2021 03:05 PM (U1eOr)

13 "The conservative case for Transgender Story Hour instead of Taps....? Handing this one off to Pastor French.

Posted by: Fat Joe-NAH of Krypton at May 12, 2021 03:05 PM (VbLoi)

14 I'm sure having hordes of unfit, but still stronk independent wymen (who don't need no man) in the military will serve us well in the upcoming Nine Dash Line War.

Posted by: Thrawn at May 12, 2021 03:05 PM (Enc9Y)

15 I'm willing to bet that these lady soldiers can give me a hand job like nobody's business. What?

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 12, 2021 03:05 PM (2goRJ)

16 The women probably looked hotter in their exercise clothing than the men did during the fitness testing, so there's that.

However, since this was for the military, there is no guarantee about that.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at May 12, 2021 03:05 PM (cwI4U)

17 Maybe you should also make ads letting lesbians know that the WNBA welcomes them, too!

What is this WNBA of which you speak?

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 12, 2021 03:05 PM (Zz0t1)

18 13 Ace - you're 100% right that they're remaking the armed forces in order to "other" conservatives.

I think that's what is behind the months-long DC occupation. Their goal is to make conservative reservists think twice about re-upping and to scare off would-be reservists. That just leaves their recent "trans"plants.

WASTF. Swalwell should've just nuked us a couple years ago.
Posted by: 496 at May 12, 2021 03:05 PM (U1eOr)

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Seems like they're making sure that the best fighters never join and are on the other side.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 12, 2021 03:05 PM (LvTSG)

19 I honestly don't care if they are lesbians or anything else. I care if they contribute to the mission. Almost all these people they are trying to attract not only distract from the mission and don't contribute, but they also destroy the espirit de corps and our warrior ethos. It's never about Army. It's always about them.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2021 03:06 PM (CyB2R)

20 I used to live near an AFB. Lots of daughters of Sappho in the Air Force.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at May 12, 2021 03:06 PM (Bmy3R)

21 Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE MITT ROMNEY at May 12, 2021 03:04 PM (Pzzpr)

You DICK!!!!

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at May 12, 2021 03:06 PM (Zz0t1)

22 A lot of excellent soldiers age getting out of the new woke military. Our military will be shit in no time. But thats good news when CW2 starts. We will be facing gender confused woketards who can't do a single pullup or shoot a rifle.

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Yep. Most of the good ones will probably be on our side.

Posted by: Lord Squirrel at May 12, 2021 03:06 PM (ZIoLS)

23 Well, the sooner they purge actual patriots, the sooner we can get them back.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 12, 2021 03:06 PM (jvt6t)

24 So ace brings us good news? Men are passing the tests easily? Please tell me the tests haven't been - substantially - watered down? Thought the pool of fit-for-service young males in the country was a big worry.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2021 03:06 PM (OTzUX)

25 More than seven months after the official launch of the Army Combat Fitness Test, or ACFT, nearly half of female soldiers are still falling short, with enlisted women struggling the most, Military.com has learned.

The obvious solution here is to lower the standards!

- The Pentagon

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2021 03:06 PM (m+jkK)

26 The solution is to order 30% of the men to identify as women, start with the band.

Posted by: Jean at May 12, 2021 03:06 PM (yIJFm)

27 Half failed the new revised reformed much easier XX Chromosome test.

95% failed the old original full strength test.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 12, 2021 03:06 PM (yrol0)

28 Easily solved, change the requirements. Stricter for males, easier for females. None for POC. You laugh.......

Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:07 PM (0KKyI)

29 The solution is to order 30% of the men to identify as women

Brilliant!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 12, 2021 03:07 PM (yQpMk)

30 >>The data again raises questions about whether the Army's attempt to create a fitter force is creating more barriers to success for women.

Read that slowly.
As they say on twitter, 'they said the quiet part out loud.'

Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2021 03:07 PM (bDqIh)

31 Remember CinC Barry Hussein biting his lip as he lifted a couple of 20 lb. weights?

Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six! at May 12, 2021 03:07 PM (ptqGC)

32 Oh stop, really. The ACFT isn't that hard if you dedicate yourself and train for it.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2021 03:07 PM (CyB2R)

33 They did it to the customer under bush

Posted by: Y5 at May 12, 2021 03:07 PM (cPlMq)

34 Flo Jo was the fastest woman in the World. Over 100 HIGH SCHOOL BOYS are faster.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at May 12, 2021 03:07 PM (r1z5A)

35 Be -some of what you can be - in the Army

Posted by: Guy Smiley at May 12, 2021 03:07 PM (Bmy3R)

36 Supposedly Zoomer guys are failing the recruitment requirements at a pretty hefty clip. Fat and out of shape, playing video games all day long.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2021 03:08 PM (KZzsI)

37 "The data again raises questions about whether the Army's attempt to create a fitter force is creating more barriers to success for women."

So, the Armed Forces have been repurposed from a fighting force that kills people and breaks stuff to a primary mission of providing opportunities for "success for women."

Posted by: West at May 12, 2021 03:08 PM (QY+6a)

38 34 Flo Jo was the fastest woman in the World. Over 100 HIGH SCHOOL BOYS are faster.
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at May 12, 2021 03:07 PM (r1z5A)

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That's the patriarchy's fault.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 12, 2021 03:08 PM (LvTSG)

39 This woke bullshit isn't even appealing to the left, as it's designed to do.
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I disagree that it is designed to appeal to anyone.

No. It is designed to change (read: ruin) the world. To nudge normal human minds away from what is known and what is true.

And it's coincidentally happening at a time when everybody is exhausted, fed up and vulnerable.

Posted by: ... at May 12, 2021 03:08 PM (iUpcK)

40 There is a reason why we used to have separate PT tests for males and females, just sayin.......

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 12, 2021 03:08 PM (JUOKG)

41 James Q Wilson did a study of bureaucracy back in the day. Basically, if the organization has one purpose then it does well. If, however, you try to have multiple goals, then none of them will be done well as the organization will try to satisfice among each of the goals and not do any one of them particularly well.

You get a similar problem at a restaurant that tries to serve every ethnic cuisine on the planet. Most of it will be awful.

Posted by: whig at May 12, 2021 03:08 PM (pO7gM)

42 Remember CinC Barry Hussein biting his lip as he lifted a couple of 20 lb. weights?
Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six! at May 12, 2021 03:07 PM (ptqGC)

IIRC it was 5lbs weights.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 12, 2021 03:08 PM (jOcSX)

43 First it was the woke CIA ad, now it is a super-woke woke animated army recruitment ad featuring a lesbian wedding, an LGBT rights parade and women "shattering stereotypes" by joining the world's largest killing machine.

The Marine Corps?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 12, 2021 03:08 PM (YqDXo)

44 34 Flo Jo was the fastest woman in the World. Over 100 HIGH SCHOOL BOYS are faster.
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at May 12, 2021 03:07 PM (r1z5A)

Yet another inconvenient truth.... there is a memory hole for that...

Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:08 PM (0KKyI)

45 File this story away for when the inevitable "BIDEN-HARRIS ADMIN CELEBRATES THE FIRST FEMALE NAVY SEAL" story hits.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2021 03:08 PM (bDqIh)

46 See, I did join the army, but I joined a *different* army. I joined the one with the condos and the private rooms.

Posted by: Pvt Judy Benjamin at May 12, 2021 03:08 PM (4I/2K)

47 Go to One of the ACFT for women. You will either die laughing or puke. I guarantee it.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2021 03:08 PM (CyB2R)

48 If we right-sized the military to the implied strategery favored by most here, there'd be plenty of fit people for the drastically reduced forces.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2021 03:09 PM (OTzUX)

49 So, when are they going after Sting for this?

https://youtu.be/2wsDamN34dA

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 12, 2021 03:09 PM (Zz0t1)

50 Don't like it? Thats a #DiversityDroning.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at May 12, 2021 03:09 PM (HaL55)

51 And it's coincidentally happening at a time when everybody is exhausted, fed up and vulnerable.
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2021 03:08 PM (iUpcK)

Actually, I am not exhausted, am fed up, and armed to the tits.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at May 12, 2021 03:10 PM (o2MD2)

52 From now on, Republicans will all speak French in caucus meetings. First off, it is more refined. Less redneck-y. Second, as cheese-eating surrender monkeys, we have a standard to live up to.

Posted by: Kevin McCarthy, staunch Republican Leader at May 12, 2021 03:10 PM (dDc9Z)

53 The army needs more trannies to artificially pump up the female passing numbers.

Posted by: Mark1971 at May 12, 2021 03:10 PM (xPl2J)

54 James Q Wilson did a study of bureaucracy back in the day. Basically, if the organization has one purpose then it does well. If, however, you try to have multiple goals, then none of them will be done well as the organization will try to satisfice among each of the goals and not do any one of them particularly well.

"Focus on everything!" Advice I once received from corporate America, delivered with a straight face.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 12, 2021 03:10 PM (YqDXo)

55 Forget about women! Army K-9 units are adding Chihuahuas and Pomeranians to make their units mire diverse. No one needs a German shepherd. See the sock link.

Posted by: andycanuck at May 12, 2021 03:10 PM (UHVv4)

56 Hank Hill's a lesbian?!??
I agree with the broads, the ACFT IS biased. There's no way my 55 y/o self can score as good as my 19 y/o self. Not after 36 years in uniform. Bring back age norming standards.
FYI: without any training or preparation I took the ACFT in Sep 2019 as a diagnostic. Passed all events with at least the minimum. The overhead YEET is actually pretty easy, it's all technique

Posted by: Stacy0311 at May 12, 2021 03:10 PM (GuwCy)

57 So, the Armed Forces have been repurposed from a
fighting force that kills people and breaks stuff to a primary mission
of providing opportunities for "success for women."

Posted by: West

Our all women army will go to war. And not tell them why.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at May 12, 2021 03:10 PM (r1z5A)

58 But I do think that this is about flooding these agencies with leftwingers, to make sure that we do to the CIA and Army what the left has already done to academia and corporate boardrooms -- overtake it so thoroughly that there is no chance of any conservative-leaning person ever advancing in those organizations.

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It's pretty much their MO and always has been. Even a Helen Keller could see what they're doing and why. I'm sure they'll accomplish that with ease. Then the transformation will be entirely complete. All sectors, all institutions will be fully saturated with Leftists. The only way to expunge them will be civil war.

Posted by: Lady in Black at May 12, 2021 03:11 PM (O+I8R)

59 back in 1976, I lost about 50lbs in Basic. I came out a lean mean fightin' machine.

I'm older now, more Dewey Oxburger-like

Posted by: DB- just DB at May 12, 2021 03:11 PM (iTXRQ)

60 This was willowed: Stacey Abrams is coming out with a thriller, under her real name. She sez all her strong, female characters are based on her.

Now, ponder Tank Abrams as herself in her romance novels.

Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six! at May 12, 2021 03:11 PM (ptqGC)

61 >>This woke bullshit isn't even appealing to the left, as it's designed to do.

Unless is designed to alienate normies, getting them to self-select NOT to pursue a career in the CIA or join the Army.

It's a huge neon sign blinking "NORMIES NOT WELCOME HERE."

Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2021 03:11 PM (bDqIh)

62 Owebama......it's not the workout that's the story.

https://youtu.be/ti4v6IBbGAA

SECURITY BREACH!!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 12, 2021 03:11 PM (Zz0t1)

63 FloJo could have run me down anytime she wanted. Mind you she used steroids.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 12, 2021 03:11 PM (cSyAR)

64 > Flo Jo was the fastest woman in the World. Over 100 HIGH SCHOOL BOYS are faster.

Track and Field and weightlifting both absolutely demolish the lame "women are just as physically capable" talking point. Women and men are different. We have different strengths and weaknesses. It's OK, God made us that way on purpose.

HATE SPEECH!!!

Posted by: bonhomme at May 12, 2021 03:11 PM (YYlyE)

65 When you've been raised since birth to think you're special and going to save the world, that you are perfect the way you are and need not strive, change, or be better... of course you're going to be a wreck when challenged at anything and have never been drive to be more than you started at.

Girls can be unbelievably fit, those cheerleaders doing backflips off a human pyramid and those gymnasts whipping around parallel bars like a fish trying to get to the water, they are toned and fit in a way I've never been. Its just almost nobody is driven to be that way any more and the cheerleaders are pressured to take on Stacy Abramses in the name of Equity.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2021 03:11 PM (KZzsI)

66 The data again raises questions about whether the Army's attempt to create a fitter force is creating more barriers to success for women.
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Blech. This kind of thing is the real underling malevolence of modern journalism, academia, industrial development, etc.

This is an irrelevant question, an assertion without evidence, assigns responsibility and implies a proper resolution, and does so while framing the argument as a simple statement of fact.

The correct way to start this is to ask, "is the Army fitness standard legitimate given the physical requirements for soldiers in combat?" The answer to that question will guide the *next* question, which is one of "should we change the standard to better reflect the requirements" or "does this imply that women are a poor fit for combat operations?" And so on from there.

But they don't do this. They instead flatly assert that the standard is sexist and acts as a barrier - and thus imply that it should be adjusted or removed. There is no immediate evidence for this position, because the key question - "is the standard reasonable?" - isn't asked. I hate modern media and journalism. I hate them so.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2021 03:11 PM (Jsjd7)

67 I am glad I never watch this stuff. Look,I am all for equality and making your best plays in life. But I guess I am majorly out of touch. I can't believe that is a US Army commercial. Hell I thought Be All You Can Be was a bit lame, certainly the USMC has the best commercials.

If the service is open to everyone, why not just appeal to patriotism? What if they did the identity thing for men or other out of favor groups?

Posted by: Quint at May 12, 2021 03:12 PM (x/IHv)

68 Our all women army will go to war. And not tell them why.

They should know without being told.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 12, 2021 03:12 PM (yQpMk)

69 IIRC it was 5lbs weights.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 12, 2021 03:08 PM (jOcSX

They were really cool, dinky weights

Posted by: JM in Florida at May 12, 2021 03:12 PM (HCeRP)

70 What we really need is to have a female army that will fight other countries' female armies. Sort of a women's division. It's only fair.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 12, 2021 03:12 PM (YqDXo)

71 Time was you would join the Army because you loved the country. Now, oddly, it's because you love another woman's snapper.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2021 03:12 PM (CyB2R)

72 The Amazons removed their right breasts in order to facilitate the use of the bow... 2500 years later...

Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:12 PM (0KKyI)

73 I want the Army of the movies back

Guys fought the battles, the skirts were nurses or served donuts or typed stuff

we were invincible there for a while

Posted by: DB- just DB at May 12, 2021 03:12 PM (iTXRQ)

74 What is this WNBA of which you speak?
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 12, 2021 03:05 PM (Zz0t1)

Women's Nude basketball Association?

Posted by: Javems at May 12, 2021 03:12 PM (8SSHh)

75 She sez all her strong, female characters are based on her.

So, a whole book of Mary Sue characters?

Posted by: Guy Smiley at May 12, 2021 03:12 PM (Bmy3R)

76 If anyone had any interest in actual science anymore it seems like it would be trivially easy to definitively and once and for all settle any silly arguments about men and women being physical equals.

Apparently the bell curve representing elite superstar women tapers off at nearly the same point where the bell curve section of fat slob men begins.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Important article about what's coming at May 12, 2021 03:12 PM (em09h)

77 Pence on FB: "America stands with Israel"...most of the commenters: "You didn't stand by America", a thing of beauty.

Posted by: CN at May 12, 2021 03:13 PM (ONvIw)

78 Flo Jo was the fastest woman in the World. Over 100 HIGH SCHOOL BOYS are faster.
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at May 12, 2021 03:07 PM

Toxic masculinity strikes again.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 12, 2021 03:13 PM (DMUuz)

79 > FloJo could have run me down anytime she wanted. Mind you she used steroids.

There's a type of steroids that's in and out of your system in like four hours now. Unless they catch you in that tiny time window, you're clean as a whistle.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 12, 2021 03:13 PM (YYlyE)

80 Now, ponder Tank Abrams as herself in her romance novels.
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"He took her hand in his and led her to the bedroom. Her breath caught in her throat when he pulled out the bag of flour."

Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 12, 2021 03:13 PM (IytoW)

81
Toxic masculinity strikes again.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 12, 2021 03:13 PM (DMUuz)

It's MA'AM!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 12, 2021 03:13 PM (Zz0t1)

82 So, you're telling me that when athletes cheat and use "steroids" that they aren't using the female ones?

I never would have guessed.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 12, 2021 03:13 PM (Y5qcH)

83 I remember when the hard Left and limousine Liberals looked down on service men. They could never understand why someone would join the military when they had other options. These guys bounce around on military service all the time. Not all, but many of them only think it is worthy if they are the ones in office.

Posted by: Quint at May 12, 2021 03:13 PM (x/IHv)

84 63 FloJo could have run me down anytime she wanted. Mind you she used steroids.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 12, 2021 03:11 PM (cSyAR)

Hmmm. did she paw the ground in her starting lane?

Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:13 PM (0KKyI)

85 But I do think that this is about flooding these agencies with leftwingers, to make sure that we do to the CIA and Army what the left has already done to academia and corporate boardrooms -- overtake it so thoroughly that there is no chance of any conservative-leaning person ever advancing in those organizations.

Until we get in a real shooting match. Then the wokesters and the REMF's will get fragged and the true adults will take over.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2021 03:14 PM (OCTRt)

86 So who wants to argue with me now that the military will happily and with relish fire on Americans who dare protest the new State?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 12, 2021 03:14 PM (2JVJo)

87
47 Go to One of the ACFT for women. You will either die laughing or puke. I guarantee it.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2021 03:08 PM (CyB2R)

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Is that a video?

Posted by: MAGA (stop the steal link in this nic) at May 12, 2021 03:14 PM (eMEkg)

88 I mean this is the world where Marvel Comics is casting 105 pound, 40-year-old waif Natalie Portman to replace... Thor. They simply do not give a crap at any level about reality or logic.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2021 03:14 PM (KZzsI)

89 57 So, the Armed Forces have been repurposed from a
fighting force that kills people and breaks stuff to a primary mission
of providing opportunities for "success for women."

Posted by: West

Our all women army will go to war. And not tell them why.
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp

They should know already. If they don't, it was because they weren't paying attention!

Posted by: West at May 12, 2021 03:14 PM (QY+6a)

90 What we really need is to have a female army that will fight other countries' female armies. Sort of a women's division. It's only fair.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 12, 2021 03:12 PM (YqDXo)

All combat will be hand to hand, conducted on a plain covered in baby oil.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 12, 2021 03:14 PM (jOcSX)

91 54 This focus on everything is basically what my deep blue industry tries to do and it causes failings in its basic task.

As a result, leaders in organizations are increasingly relying on coercion and obfuscating performance metrics. I shudder to think what management science is teaching these people today.

Posted by: whig at May 12, 2021 03:14 PM (pO7gM)

92 Look... Nidal Hassan refused to be deployed because we wouldn't shoot Muslims, he sent his paychecks to Pakistan, and he walked around handing out business cards that said "Soldier of Allah" on them. And nobody said boo. Spenser Rapone's superiors had reported him repeatedly during his West Point career, and nobody said boo.

The Left has been working on the Army for a long time now, and it's likely already worse than we imagine.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 12, 2021 03:14 PM (Uh2oA)

93 "These ladies are bouncing their pelvises off a frozen theater rope at 100 miles per hour. If I ever hit anything that hard with my dick, I'm gonna spot-weld to it."

- Dennis Miller, on womens advantages in gymnastics

Posted by: Guy Smiley at May 12, 2021 03:15 PM (Bmy3R)

94 >>Now, ponder Tank Abrams as herself in her romance novels.

SHe's already said that. In her interview w/CBS Sunday Morning -- a story about how romance novels are turning to non-traditional lead characters -- Abrams said she started writing because "there were no romance books with characters who look like me."

(So tired of the cliched "[insert field or product here] doesn't have someone who looks like me", e.g. do you need scientists to look like you in order to be interested in science? )

Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2021 03:15 PM (bDqIh)

95 >What we really need is to have a female army that will fight other countries' female armies. Sort of a women's division. It's only fair.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

the battle will open with everyone refusing to speak to each other until that bitch apologizes

Posted by: DB- just DB at May 12, 2021 03:15 PM (iTXRQ)

96 The data again raises questions about whether the Army's attempt to
create a fitter force is creating more barriers to success for women.
That is a unintentionally hilarious line. You can't expect women to pass combat fitness test for combat! that's just crazy!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 12, 2021 03:15 PM (r+sAi)

97 Here's the thing: the shit you have to do in combat is known. Running, climbing, dragging, killing. The fitness standards we had were there for a reason: they simulated shit you might have to do when its bullet time.

These women should be grateful they failed. It means they would fuck up and get themselves and others killed in a firefight. Now they know in advance rather than it being a posthumous report.

And don't get me started on the sex for good fitness reports and laziness on road marches thing.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 12, 2021 03:15 PM (ifmtJ)

98 This is akin to Amazon's problem of AI-driven performance reviews. Amazon built a system to take performance feedback, depersonalized entirely, and then auto-process it to come up with a score. That score could then act as the overall review score, the employees ranked, and compensation or positions changed. They ran the system in secret for a year and compared it to the actual human outcomes of performance reviews.

They found that the automatic system that processed data and graded it based on the same standards that supervisors were using consistently disagreed with the supervisors' actual reviews in one particular way: it recommended fewer women for raises and promotions. The human supervisors (male or female - it didn't matter) consistently issued more raises and promotions to women than the automatic review system would have.

Their conclusion? The AI was sexist. They scrapped the entire project.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2021 03:15 PM (Jsjd7)

99 Our all women army will go to war.

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Along with our all-gay helicopter crew.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 12, 2021 03:15 PM (dDc9Z)

100 I was in the best shape of my life during my time at Camp Lejeune in the late 1970's.

Posted by: Archer at May 12, 2021 03:15 PM (gmo/4)

101 A love story with Tank Abrams is pretty unlikely under the best of circumstances. That ugly bitch couldn't get laid in a Tijuana dog pound.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at May 12, 2021 03:15 PM (o2MD2)

102 "Who taught you to kill, Emma?"

"I learned it from you, moms! I learned it from both of you!"

Posted by: Frank Luntz at May 12, 2021 03:15 PM (uhPTO)

103 Marcus @71.....LOLOL That's one way to put it.

Posted by: Lady in Black at May 12, 2021 03:15 PM (O+I8R)

104 Girls can be unbelievably fit, those cheerleaders doing backflips off a human pyramid and those gymnasts whipping around parallel bars like a fish trying to get to the water, they are toned and fit in a way I've never been. Its just almost nobody is driven to be that way any more and the cheerleaders are pressured to take on Stacy Abramses in the name of Equity.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2021 03:11 PM (KZzsI)

Those fit girls doing the flips have a really hard time carrying the machine gun and ammo through the jungle with a combat load. Just about any male kid off the street can be trained to the required level of fitness.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 12, 2021 03:15 PM (BMmaB)

105 First it was the woke CIA ad, now it is a super-woke woke animated army recruitment ad featuring a lesbian wedding, an LGBT rights parade and women "shattering stereotypes" by joining the world's largest killing machine.

***

Also it's so weird how none of these people have sued to be sure women are required to sign up for the draft.

It seems almost like when women want to shatter the glass ceiling by being required hires for million dollar office jobs, but not by being required to hang drywall on actual ceilings.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Important article about what's coming at May 12, 2021 03:15 PM (em09h)

106 >>>sex is just a construct

So are headaches.

Posted by: 4 at May 12, 2021 03:16 PM (KnJdm)

107 Off, damned sock.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at May 12, 2021 03:16 PM (uhPTO)

108 They simply do not give a crap at any level about reality or logic.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2021 03:14 PM (KZzsI)

Small nitpick. They do give a crap about both those things. They aim to destroy them.

Posted by: ... at May 12, 2021 03:16 PM (iUpcK)

109 I shudder to think what management science is teaching these people today.
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2021 03:14 PM (pO7gM)

I said in another thread the MBA/Consultant class run both politics and business. They also infest the military. Too many captains and majors get their MBA as a stepping stone to promotion and I think it fills their heads with bad ideas.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 12, 2021 03:16 PM (jOcSX)

110 "there were no romance books with characters who look like me."

Yeah well the market for romances about women who look like JJ's Dad in "Good Times" is pretty small.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2021 03:16 PM (KZzsI)

111 Read some modern sci-fi.... should tell you what you need to know about current male- female attitudes in the readers.

Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:16 PM (0KKyI)

112 My brother's future fourth ex-wife's daughter went to the Army recruiter (he went with her) and she asked the recruiter:
"Will I have time to dye my hair?"
"Will I have time off to get more tattoos?

Posted by: wth at May 12, 2021 03:16 PM (v0R5T)

113 There's a competive cheerleader I follow on Instagram. She's amazing but so is the guy who can hold her up with one hand.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 12, 2021 03:16 PM (cSyAR)

114 Read some modern sci-fi.... should tell you what you need to know about current male- female attitudes in the readers.
Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:16 PM (0KKyI)

It's a trap!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 12, 2021 03:17 PM (ifmtJ)

115 Chick-fil-A sets sauce limit as industry-wide shortage hits chain

Posted by: SMOD at May 12, 2021 03:17 PM (RHGPo)

116 112 My brother's future fourth ex-wife's daughter went to the Army recruiter (he went with her) and she asked the recruiter:
"Will I have time to dye my hair?"
"Will I have time off to get more tattoos?

Posted by: wth at May 12, 2021 03:16 PM (v0R5T)

Private Benjamin 2021

Posted by: CN at May 12, 2021 03:17 PM (ONvIw)

117 86 So who wants to argue with me now that the military will happily and with relish fire on Americans who dare protest the new State?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 12, 2021 03:14 PM (2JVJo)

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Agree. They will A10 the hell out of a MAGA rally if ordered to do so. Any disobeying would be summarily executed so a twofer.

Posted by: MAGA (stop the steal link in this nic) at May 12, 2021 03:17 PM (eMEkg)

118 Those fit girls doing the flips have a really hard time carrying the machine gun and ammo through the jungle with a combat load. Just about any male kid off the street can be trained to the required level of fitness.

Oh sure, but they could do the basic required fitness stuff in a breeze. They'd fire up that wall like Spiderman.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2021 03:17 PM (KZzsI)

119 I'm sick of sending our best and brightest to fight and die for the oligarchy of Gates, Bezos, Buffett and the rest.

Send over the weirdos to lose their never-ending wars.

Posted by: Desultory joe at May 12, 2021 03:17 PM (L9P9s)

120 Sponge, email answered.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2021 03:17 PM (HK9Ew)

121 OK, but is there a place in the Army for a physically fit good old boy from Kentucky who likes guns?
That's the real national security issue - making the armed forces wings of the conglomerated left borg is not simply going to add its favorite pet freaks, but it will simultaneously reduce its efficacy by dissuading candidates from its core recruiting pools not to join.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at May 12, 2021 03:17 PM (HCRZt)

122 Unless is designed to alienate normies, getting them to self-select NOT to pursue a career in the CIA or join the Army.

It's a huge neon sign blinking "NORMIES NOT WELCOME HERE."
Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2021 03:11 PM (bDqIh)

Bingo. The Deep State needs people who will obey orders to imprison and kill their fellow citizens, thus the current purge of decent people from the military and law enforcement.

Posted by: Emmie at May 12, 2021 03:17 PM (ofYez)

123
I never would have guessed.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe

heh, pumped em full of estrogen and all they wanted to do was shop. (begins serpentine run for cover)

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at May 12, 2021 03:18 PM (r1z5A)

124 But I do think that this is about flooding these agencies with leftwingers, to make sure that we do to the CIA and Army what the left has already done to academia and corporate boardrooms -- overtake it so thoroughly that there is no chance of any conservative-leaning person ever advancing in those organizations.

Also known as "launching a big fat hanging curveball to dead center over the fence".

Bravo, ace.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at May 12, 2021 03:18 PM (sy5kK)

125 Way back in the Gulf War of '91, there was a married couple I knew that had been in the Army at that time.

Actually, the man was NOT deployed to the ME, while the woman was (as a battalion accounting NCO). She helped guys with their financial problems, last will and testament, getting money home, etc.
She was not particularly good looking, but as one of the few women in town (and married), guys were CONSTANTLY hitting on her.
She was also aware of lesbians that were in Basic. Because of the way they acted during field training excercises.
That, among other things, really turned her off to the Army.
So you go, Army. Because getting in lesbian soldiers will REALLY piss off the straight women in the Army.
And I don't care if the straight "strictly dickly" girls are all PC and Left, the reality is that close proximity to homosexuals usually make straight people very uncomfortable. Especially when you are young and ramped up on hormones. Or taking showers together.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative ....Living on the prison planet at May 12, 2021 03:18 PM (vcOmj)

126 She's amazing but so is the guy who can hold her up with one hand.

Yeah everybody mocks those cheer guys but holy crap. Not only are they fit but they get to pick up hot cheerleaders by the, er, lap.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2021 03:18 PM (KZzsI)

127 Well, I already have a calling. And I have more better sex than you.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 12, 2021 03:18 PM (o89XP)

128 Agree. They will A10 the hell out of a MAGA rally if ordered to do so. Any disobeying would be summarily executed so a twofer.
Posted by: MAGA (stop the steal link in this nic) at May 12, 2021 03:17 PM (eMEkg)

Stinger missiles are just laying around. I saw it in a movie.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 12, 2021 03:18 PM (jvt6t)

129 Until we get in a real shooting match. Then the wokesters and the REMF's will get fragged and the true adults will take over.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2021 03:14 PM (OCTRt)

That assumes some adults are still in the ranks!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - Our Beloved Leaders Have, and Deserve, Their Special Privileges at May 12, 2021 03:18 PM (hOUT3)

130 > There's a competitive cheerleader I follow on Instagram.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 12, 2021 03:16 PM (cSyAR)

What's her OnlyFans?

Posted by: bonhomme at May 12, 2021 03:18 PM (YYlyE)

131 114 Read some modern sci-fi.... should tell you what you need to know about current male- female attitudes in the readers.
Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:16 PM (0KKyI)

It's a trap!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 12, 2021 03:17 PM (ifmtJ)

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You mean that you'll have all of your time taken up with all the great fiction currently being output by the publishing industry, surely?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 12, 2021 03:18 PM (LvTSG)

132 Their conclusion? The AI was sexist. They scrapped the entire project.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2021 03:15 PM (Jsjd7)

Well, yeah. Have you seen the way they were dressed?! Beep! Bop! Boop!

Posted by: AI at May 12, 2021 03:19 PM (KnJdm)

133 It's also about arming dykes and faggots, who will have less of an issue with using drones against normal Americans.

If you want to live, get yourself a pitbull and keep it with you all the time. The faggots and dykes will have to think twice before killing a sweet pitbull.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 12, 2021 03:19 PM (aJJGg)

134 I personally welcome our new, comically inept, diverse military. I also recommend anyone with competence leave. You don't want to be around when the forces of diversity meet a competent foe.

Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at May 12, 2021 03:19 PM (EpDzw)

135 Only racist while people are worried about the safety and future of their families and their people. /

https://mobile.twitter.com/Breaking911/status/
1392564068272197632

JUST IN: Biden officials testify that white supremacists are the greatest threat to America - The Hill

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at May 12, 2021 03:19 PM (6F7iz)

136 I think it was Rush's idea to have a bunch of platoons of women "in sync", so to say. Send in whatever platoons that are at the height of their monthly cycles as your attack troops.

Posted by: f'd at May 12, 2021 03:19 PM (Tnijr)

137 I remember when the hard Left and limousine Liberals looked down on service men
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I believe they did the same with marriage.

Posted by: ... at May 12, 2021 03:19 PM (iUpcK)

138 126 She's amazing but so is the guy who can hold her up with one hand.

Yeah everybody mocks those cheer guys but holy crap. Not only are they fit but they get to pick up hot cheerleaders by the, er, lap.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2021 03:18 PM (KZzsI)

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I had a friend who did the male cheerleading thing. He got laid with one of them once when he was talking about quitting. They would have much rather spent time with the football players.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 12, 2021 03:19 PM (LvTSG)

139 The correct way to start this is to ask, "is the Army fitness standard legitimate given the physical requirements for soldiers in combat?" The answer to that question will guide the *next* question, which is one of "should we change the standard to better reflect the requirements" or "does this imply that women are a poor fit for combat operations?"

Back in the 70s Berkeley went on a kick to hire female firefighters and cops. Women typically flunked the firefighting physical test that involved carrying a sack of concrete down a flight of stairs, and feminists howled about the test. Now why would a firefighter have to carry a sack of concrete down a flight of steps, they asked?

The test for cops involved climbing over a 6' fence, which most women could not do. I asked a buddy of mine, a Berkeley cop, if that were a reasonable test.

"Sure. First thing most perps do is climb over a fence, and you have to follow them. Very few have the good breeding to run straight down the road so you can follow them in your squad car."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 12, 2021 03:19 PM (YqDXo)

140 my kid was on a 12 miler and had to carry a chick's weapon while another guy carried her ruck and another guy carried her helmet. and she's probably higher up on the rank up list than any of the guys who carried her shit because she's a chick and they are white dudes

Posted by: nckate at May 12, 2021 03:19 PM (5NDrl)

141 The Left has been working on the Army for a long time now, and it's likely already worse than we imagine.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 12, 2021 03:14 PM (Uh2oA)

YD, you just have to go back a few decades. The draftee Army by definition had lots of leftists in it, maybe even a majority. Those commies over in Russia and China and Korea and Vietnam managed to field quite a few armies. Indeed, as one fellow soldier pointed out to me, the Army is pretty much as close to a pure socialist institution as you'll find. At the end of the day, it may not matter, so long as we keep it focused on defending the country from the external threat and not from the presumed internal threat.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 12, 2021 03:20 PM (BMmaB)

142 Those fit girls doing the flips have a really hard
time carrying the machine gun and ammo through the jungle with a combat
load. Just about any male kid off the street can be trained to the
required level of fitness.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 12, 2021 03:15 PM (BMmaB)

true fit means nothing in this context. Can you carry a wounded man away from harm with 70 pounds of gear and ammo? If not, you are putting him and everyone else in danger that is not necessary.

Posted by: Quint at May 12, 2021 03:20 PM (x/IHv)

143 Envision our future woke Army fighting the decidedly unwoke Armies of our enemies... yeah, the country is screwed.

Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:20 PM (0KKyI)

144 The Deep State needs people who will obey orders to imprison and kill their fellow citizens, thus the current purge of decent people from the military and law enforcement.

While this is true, there's a flaw with their plan that has worked in the favor of the US military the world over. Like the Skinnies in Somalia who had lots of guns and stuff but couldn't hit a barn with a machine gun.

Just because you replace all the normal people with compliant weird-hair types doesn't mean you have an efficient, effective military. Especially if a chunk of your training time is filled up with social justice lecturing

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2021 03:20 PM (KZzsI)

145 "Posted by: Lady in Black at May 12, 2021 03:15 PM (O+I8R)"

It was never "I, me, mine". It was always "us, we, the team". I don't get it. Unless they are deliberately trying to destroy our military, which they may be, this garbage makes zero sense. The future isn't fat lesbians who can't pass the ACFT, unless you're invading Porn Hub.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2021 03:20 PM (CyB2R)

146 I said in another thread the MBA/Consultant class run both politics and business. They also infest the military. Too many captains and majors get their MBA as a stepping stone to promotion and I think it fills their heads with bad ideas.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 12, 2021 03:16 PM (jOcSX)

Master's degree is required to make Captain. MBA is the easiest one.

Posted by: Catherine at May 12, 2021 03:20 PM (41zFX)

147 Forget about women! Army K-9 units are adding Chihuahuas and Pomeranians
to make their units mire diverse. No one needs a German shepherd. See
the sock link.

Those little dogs are obviously food for the big dogs.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at May 12, 2021 03:20 PM (HaL55)

148 I don't know if she'd pass the Army fitness test, but I also don't really care:
https://is.gd/Y9by5K

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2021 03:20 PM (Jsjd7)

149 Now, ponder Tank Abrams as herself in her romance novels.
Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six! at May 12, 2021 03:11 PM

To borrow some lyrics from before most Morons time:

When Tank got movin'
her hips were hummin' in the wind.
The ground started shakin',
no grass grew where she'd been

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 12, 2021 03:20 PM (DMUuz)

150 From the Cheny Post:
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We have seen his lack of commitment and dedication to the Constitution, and I think it's very important that we make sure whomever we elect, is somebody who will be faithful to the Constitution."
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???

"No rights are absolute" -- The Person she voted for.

So, *who's* got dedication to the Constitution? The impeachments were practically an incursion into the business of the executive branch.

These people are liberals dressed as Republicans.

Posted by: Axeman at May 12, 2021 03:20 PM (cI7Oj)

151 I said in another thread the MBA/Consultant class run both politics and business. They also infest the military. Too many captains and majors get their MBA as a stepping stone to promotion and I think it fills their heads with bad ideas.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile

"What's the profit/loss in taking that hill, Sergeant?"

That was actually paraphrasing a line from "The Best Years of Our Lives", when Fredric March comes home from WWII and gets his bank job back. He had seen too much, and was drunk and in a foul mood about the bank.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative ....Living on the prison planet at May 12, 2021 03:20 PM (vcOmj)

152 Ok class, welcome to biology 101 where men are women and women are men unless you need to point out that women aren't as naturally strong as men when it comes to making sure that women and men are exactly the same, then its allowed and disregarded at the same time. Quiz tomorrow, just guess. Grading will be on a curve. We will give you a grade based on whether you identify as a woman or a man, women get 100%, men get 50%.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 12, 2021 03:20 PM (r+sAi)

153 Chik Fil A needs to do some more racist apologetics theater.

Have they put BLM stickers on their stores yet? Do the cheerful all-American helpful staff lecture you about systemic racism when they serve the food?

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2021 03:21 PM (OTzUX)

154 Now, ponder Tank Abrams as herself in her romance novels.

She takes his hand seductively. She leads him to the bedroom. She pulls out a pair of handcuffs and a blindfold and tells him, "do what you want".

So he handcuffs her to the bed.

And then goes fishing for the weekend.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2021 03:21 PM (OCTRt)

155 >Yeah everybody mocks those cheer guys but holy crap. Not only are they fit but they get to pick up hot cheerleaders by the, er, lap.

yeah I always wondered where they put their hand

like that joke: naked lady falls out the window, only to be saved at the last second by a bowling pro who was standing by a lower window

Posted by: DB- just DB at May 12, 2021 03:21 PM (iTXRQ)

156 I look down on blowjobs.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at May 12, 2021 03:21 PM (o89XP)

157 Hey, China. Just invade us already.

Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six! at May 12, 2021 03:21 PM (ptqGC)

158 104 Girls can be unbelievably fit, those cheerleaders doing backflips off a human pyramid and those gymnasts whipping around parallel bars like a fish trying to get to the water, they are toned and fit in a way I've never been. Its just almost nobody is driven to be that way any more and the cheerleaders are pressured to take on Stacy Abramses in the name of Equity.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2021 03:11 PM (KZzsI)

Those fit girls doing the flips have a really hard time carrying the machine gun and ammo through the jungle with a combat load. Just about any male kid off the street can be trained to the required level of fitness.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 12, 2021 03:15 PM (BMmaB)

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There are YouTube videos of female gymnasts watching men doing female gymnast routines and they had the "o shit" look on their faces.

Posted by: MAGA (stop the steal link in this nic) at May 12, 2021 03:21 PM (eMEkg)

159 144 Just because you replace all the normal people with compliant weird-hair types doesn't mean you have an efficient, effective military. Especially if a chunk of your training time is filled up with social justice lecturing
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2021 03:20 PM (KZzsI)

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"My classes on post-feminist theory did nothing to prepare me for this, man!"

"Did you just call me man?!"
-In the foxhole

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 12, 2021 03:21 PM (LvTSG)

160 "White House deputy director
Natalie Montelongo locks Twitter account, deletes tweets encouraging extremist violence, 'shutting down' ICE."

https://bit.ly/3bmlQta

Posted by: bonhomme at May 12, 2021 03:21 PM (YYlyE)

161 60 This was willowed: Stacey Abrams is coming out with a thriller, under her real name. She sez all her strong, female characters are based on her.

Now, ponder Tank Abrams as herself in her romance novels.
Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six!
___________

They're steamy, but they're not bodice rippers.

Posted by: Stacey Abrams, Topless at May 12, 2021 03:21 PM (9vQJW)

162 Even though my spouse and I were military (as were our parents), we have told our kids to avoid the path, so mission accomplished for helping swing the military leftward.

For the record, I was Air Force b/c I knew I could never compete with a guy on a PT test...but fitness, I could do. It does help that back when I served, the Air Force yearly fitness test (after you were sworn in and had passed real PT tests at training) was a bike test (and I administered it, and you'd be amazed how many male and female folks couldn't pass it), b/c the Air Force was, at least then, always more concerned about the brains than the brawn, b/c planes, missiles and UAVs were the muscle, not the people...it's why my dad encouraged me to enter than force vs the others (my sis didn't listen, and didn't make it through navy training)...

Posted by: Nova local at May 12, 2021 03:21 PM (b1h2x)

163 Just watched that video. We are a deeply deeply unserious people.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 12, 2021 03:22 PM (ldN5D)

164 I knew a guy is basic training. The guy was built like a spark plug, a freaking huge spark plug. He was one of those guys who had no neck at all. He could bench press anything. I am not body builder by far so I wont guess how much he could bench, but he was the kind of strong others would comment on.

The poor guy simply could not finish the run in time. So he never made it out of basic.

Posted by: Quint at May 12, 2021 03:22 PM (x/IHv)

165 "No rights are absolute"

And BOOM!
Just like that, Biden puts slavery BACK on the table.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2021 03:22 PM (OCTRt)

166 Read some modern sci-fi.... should tell you what you need to know about current male- female attitudes in the readers.
Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:16 PM (0KKyI)

It's a trap!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 12, 2021 03:17 PM (ifmtJ)
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You mean that you'll have all of your time taken up with all the great fiction currently being output by the publishing industry, surely?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 12, 2021 03:18 PM (LvTSG)

I need to share my writer conference stories with you sometime.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 12, 2021 03:22 PM (ifmtJ)

167 Recruiters are half the problem. If they don't make their numbers, it follows you forever.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2021 03:22 PM (CyB2R)

168 The data again raises questions about whether the Army's attempt to create a successful female force is creating more barriers to success for women.

Posted by: Cringe Biscuit at May 12, 2021 03:23 PM (qaN/p)

169 Master's degree is required to make Captain. MBA is the easiest one.
Posted by: Catherine at May 12, 2021 03:20 PM (41zFX)

Used to be to just to make major, when I was in. I knew a bunch of captains who did online MBA programs during their career courses just to knock it out. IIRC, a few courses even partnered with local universities to allow credits to transfer. Another reason I got out: I had no desire to go through all that BS.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 12, 2021 03:23 PM (jOcSX)

170 So he handcuffs her to the bed.

And then goes fishing for the weekend.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2021 03:21 PM (OCTRt)
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Leaving a platter of sandwiches just out of reach. Over/under, would she gnaw a wrist free?

Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six! at May 12, 2021 03:23 PM (ptqGC)

171 166 You mean that you'll have all of your time taken up with all the great fiction currently being output by the publishing industry, surely?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 12, 2021 03:18 PM (LvTSG)

I need to share my writer conference stories with you sometime.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 12, 2021 03:22 PM (ifmtJ)

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Where everyone was really eager for great stories no matter who was the main character?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 12, 2021 03:23 PM (LvTSG)

172 So, MAE, your opinion of self published writing on say, Amazon?

Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:23 PM (0KKyI)

173 "The data again raises questions about whether the Army's attempt to create a fitter force is creating more barriers to success for women."

************

those are not the questions it raises for me

Posted by: Deceased Head Football Coach Howard Schnellenberger at May 12, 2021 03:23 PM (2J4wj)

174 IDF took out a Hamas Command and Control center.

https://bit.ly/3tBJF6s

Posted by: bonhomme at May 12, 2021 03:24 PM (YYlyE)

175 Dragging a 200 pound stud in full gear across a field of fire, ain't the parallel bars or rings. That's useless in combat.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2021 03:24 PM (CyB2R)

176
Wars are really ugly
They're dirty and they're coldI don't want nobodyTo shoot me in theFOXHOLE

Posted by: Guy who relates everything to a Zappa song at May 12, 2021 03:24 PM (Tnijr)

177 We are doing the same damn thing the Soviets did in the 30s.

And it will work out the same way.
But at this point...who cares? Our government is more of a threat to us then any offshore enemy.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 12, 2021 03:24 PM (DpkTQ)

178 I knew a guy is basic training. The guy was built like a spark plug, a freaking huge spark plug. He was one of those guys who had no neck at all. He could bench press anything. I am not body builder by far so I wont guess how much he could bench, but he was the kind of strong others would comment on.

The poor guy simply could not finish the run in time. So he never made it out of basic.
Posted by: Quint at May 12, 2021 03:22 PM (x/IHv)

I've long hated the run and thought it should be replaced for just that reason: the guy built like an ox who can haul the 240 all day is far better than the skinny guy who can run two miles quickly. Replace it with 40-yard sprints and a five-mile road march, which better covers the kinds of activities you're likely to see in a combat environment.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 12, 2021 03:25 PM (jOcSX)

179 Where everyone was really eager for great stories no matter who was the main character?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 12, 2021 03:23 PM (LvTSG)

And where the race, sexual orientation, gender, and politics of the author didn't matter either, so long as the story adhered to the Aristolean rules from Poetics

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 12, 2021 03:25 PM (ifmtJ)

180 A Army Vietnam vet once told me the worst thing about Vietnam was not being able to wash your ass for long periods of time. Awful things happen to an unwashed ass in a hot, humid environment.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 12, 2021 03:25 PM (Y5qcH)

181 As I mentioned the other ONT, 322/300, bitchez. Best score in my SOBC class, Ft. Gordon, GA, 1991. (Different test though, only 2 minutes of pushups and situps, and 2 mile run.)

Posted by: SFGoth at May 12, 2021 03:25 PM (KAi1n)

182 174: with warning so they could escape

Posted by: CN at May 12, 2021 03:25 PM (ONvIw)

183 90 What we really need is to have a female army that will fight other countries' female armies. Sort of a women's division. It's only fair.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 12, 2021 03:12 PM (YqDXo)

All combat will be hand to hand, conducted on a plain covered in baby oil.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 12, 2021 03:14 PM (jOcSX)

This Brave New World might be ok after all. At least my fantasies will have lots of new material.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at May 12, 2021 03:25 PM (sy5kK)

184 I knew a guy is basic training. The guy was built like a spark plug, a freaking huge spark plug. He was one of those guys who had no neck at all. He could bench press anything. I am not body builder by far so I wont guess how much he could bench, but he was the kind of strong others would comment on.

The poor guy simply could not finish the run in time. So he never made it out of basic.

"Weight lifters are immobile" is an old truism.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 12, 2021 03:26 PM (YYlyE)

185 Just about any male kid off the street can be trained to the

required level of fitness.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 12, 2021 03:15 PM (BMmaB)

not to be argumentative or take both sides, but there are many issues with the men as well. I recall a few years ago the Army dropped the grenade course as a go or no go for graduation from basic training. The argument was the Drill Sergeants were spending way to much training time on grenades. So many new recruits grew up playing video games and not baseball. It was something the Army did not plan for.

It is hard to teach a grown man how to throw a ball.

Posted by: Quint at May 12, 2021 03:26 PM (x/IHv)

186 179 Where everyone was really eager for great stories no matter who was the main character?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 12, 2021 03:23 PM (LvTSG)

And where the race, sexual orientation, gender, and politics of the author didn't matter either, so long as the story adhered to the Aristolean rules from Poetics
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 12, 2021 03:25 PM (ifmtJ)

This is like from the olden days, yes?

Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:26 PM (0KKyI)

187 Karen Company... AT EASE!

Posted by: wth at May 12, 2021 03:26 PM (v0R5T)

188 Not sure what the physical fitness standards are for females in the IDF, but based on my occasional in-depth research on the matter, I'd say they're pretty high. And they generally don't have combat roles - I don't think, haven't kept up to date - though of course in Israel's situation there's far less of a "front" and "rear" than in many conventional conflicts.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2021 03:26 PM (OTzUX)

189 "The data again raises questions about whether the Army's attempt to create a fitter force is creating more barriers to success for women."

So, the Armed Forces have been repurposed from a fighting force that kills people and breaks stuff to a primary mission of providing opportunities for "success for women."

Posted by: West at May 12, 2021 03:08 PM (QY+6a) Which it started doing back when Obama was president. This is a hurry up version of Obama's adminstration.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 12, 2021 03:26 PM (FGh1l)

190 "They're steamy, but they're not bodice rippers.

Posted by: Stacey Abrams"
Steamy? Like a clam?

Posted by: gag at May 12, 2021 03:26 PM (Tnijr)

191 What should be an acceptable Army goal is a platoon of morbidly obese Tess Holidays. Imagine seeing that herd of stomping flab rolling over a sand dune towards your position. Sure, they likely wont make it 100 yards but if they do...

Posted by: Cringe Biscuit at May 12, 2021 03:26 PM (qaN/p)

192 From The Dot Win Forums:

"Out of a whole company only 5 of us got our EIBs, me included. Fucking EIB is your basic 350-1 with a PT test, qual, and ruck march and 99% couldn't or wouldn't do it.
They can't throw hand grenades properly anymore. That shit dictates near & far ambush tactics and is one of your best friends in combat.
So many units Ive seen would fudge numbers on qual to make it look like their soldiers passed qualification with their assigned weapon when they really didn't. It got so bad that ammunition wasn't matching up with score cards. Now anytime you go to a range it's 100% accountability for every round shot because they thought people were stealing ammo.
I went in thinking my 100% wouldn't compete with the alpha males I'd be serving with. It's so ass backwards that my 70% is far above their 100%. Military is full of incompetent constricts recruited out of the general population...I've been there and seen it and literally watched my medic die because of it. Army is full lazy self centered fucks that can't retain their training and cry about even going into the field for some training. Can't even throw fucking garbage out in the morning."

Posted by: geewhiz at May 12, 2021 03:26 PM (ih1HZ)

193 "Discipline is the soul of an army." -- George Washington, 1757

"High heels are the sole of an army." -- Beijing Biden, 2021

Posted by: ShainS at May 12, 2021 03:26 PM (/OMf9)

194 Don't even get me started on deliberately getting pregnant to avoid deployment.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2021 03:03 PM (CyB2R)

Yep, had that in the Navy, too. The ladies would arrive onboard as MM3 or BT3 go down in the 115 degree fire room and announce that they did not sign up for that. Month or two later they were preggo.

Posted by: clutch at May 12, 2021 03:26 PM (9UmRs)

195 How big is the Israeli Army anywy?

Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:26 PM (0KKyI)

196 179 Where everyone was really eager for great stories no matter who was the main character?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 12, 2021 03:23 PM (LvTSG)

And where the race, sexual orientation, gender, and politics of the author didn't matter either, so long as the story adhered to the Aristolean rules from Poetics
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 12, 2021 03:25 PM (ifmtJ)

========

I see where this is going...

You subverted expectations, didn't you?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 12, 2021 03:27 PM (LvTSG)

197 And BOOM!
Just like that, Biden puts slavery BACK on the table.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2021 03:22 PM (OCTRt)

@rickb, I think you were first with that observation a few days ago. Good one.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 12, 2021 03:27 PM (BMmaB)

198 So, MAE, your opinion of self published writing on say, Amazon?
Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:23 PM (0KKyI)

Sturgeons's rule applies here too: 90% of it is crap.
But the good stuff hasn't gone through censors and filters.

So you rarely find self-published stuff that is professionally edited (though there are some) but you also get more variety than you'll find in Barnes and Noble.

Best best is to find an established author you like and can write and buy anything they self-publish.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 12, 2021 03:27 PM (ifmtJ)

199 I said in another thread the MBA/Consultant class run both politics and business. They also infest the military. Too many captains and majors get their MBA as a stepping stone to promotion and I think it fills their heads with bad ideas.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile

I saw that post, clearly correct expression of reality. Kudos.

Posted by: whig at May 12, 2021 03:27 PM (pO7gM)

200 115 Chick-fil-A sets sauce limit as industry-wide shortage hits chain

Let those m*therf*ckers wash the feet of black people with it.

CfA's dead to me. Dan Iscariot Cathy can suck a bag of daily dicks.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at May 12, 2021 03:27 PM (Bmy3R)

201 The thing is is women started giving blows so the would not have to fight in the Army

Posted by: Y5 at May 12, 2021 03:27 PM (cPlMq)

202 We are doing the same damn thing the Soviets did in the 30s.
And it will work out the same way.
But at this point...who cares? Our government is more of a threat to us then any offshore enemy.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 12, 2021 03:24 PM (DpkTQ)

Concur.

Abolish the federal government and it's armed militant wings, all four branches.

Let the States raise their own defense forces.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 12, 2021 03:27 PM (xW72t)

203 Regarding that ad, is the Army trying to put South Park out of business?

Posted by: vbmoneyspender at May 12, 2021 03:27 PM (RG0Qh)

204 And BOOM!
Just like that, Biden puts slavery BACK on the table.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2021 03:22 PM (OCTRt)
---
Just for cis white straights, though.

Posted by: Axeman at May 12, 2021 03:27 PM (cI7Oj)

205 I need to share my writer conference stories with you sometime.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 12, 2021 03:22 PM (ifmtJ)

As a writer for an extremely niche market, I'd like to hear those stories.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 12, 2021 03:28 PM (2JVJo)

206 Then lower the standards!
For Equality!

Posted by: Skip at May 12, 2021 03:28 PM (Cxk7w)

207 "Yep, had that in the Navy, too. The ladies would arrive onboard as MM3 or BT3 go down in the 115 degree fire room and announce that they did not sign up for that. Month or two later they were preggo.
Posted by: clutch at May 12, 2021 03:26 PM (9UmRs)"

This shit drives me fucking wild. Form up or fuck off

Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2021 03:28 PM (CyB2R)

208 198 So you rarely find self-published stuff that is professionally edited (though there are some) but you also get more variety than you'll find in Barnes and Noble.

Best best is to find an established author you like and can write and buy anything they self-publish.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 12, 2021 03:27 PM (ifmtJ)

==========

*uncomfortable cough*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 12, 2021 03:28 PM (LvTSG)

209 A Army Vietnam vet once told me the worst thing about Vietnam was not being able to wash your ass for long periods of time. Awful things happen to an unwashed ass in a hot, humid environment.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 12, 2021 03:25 PM (Y5qcH)
++++
That's a whole 'nother thing that isn't related to raw physical ability. Women have different (and more rigorous) hygiene needs than men. I suspect that women in front line foxhole mud-and-blood combat for a week or more would start revealing serious health and disease problems even if there's no question of physical ability.

But those are things we're not even allowed to say let alone study.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2021 03:28 PM (Jsjd7)

210 Posted by: Jen the original at May 12, 2021 03:26 PM (FGh1l)

Precisely.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 12, 2021 03:28 PM (ldN5D)

211 A Army Vietnam vet once told me the worst thing about Vietnam was not being able to wash your ass for long periods of time. Awful things happen to an unwashed ass in a hot, humid environment.

My Dad didn't go to Vietnam. He was in the Air Force in Thailand during the Vietnam era. He didn't fly, he was Security Police. The heat and humidity gave him a permanent skin condition.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 12, 2021 03:28 PM (YYlyE)

212 Now the question is, are the chicoms smart enough to just wait. Biden needs time to engineer a war with Russia allowing us to pretend we don't have time/resources to save Taiwan...

Posted by: 18-1 at May 12, 2021 03:28 PM (DpkTQ)

213 185 . . . It is hard to teach a grown man how to throw a ball.
Posted by: Quint
_________

Bullshit.

Posted by: Obama and Fauci at May 12, 2021 03:28 PM (9vQJW)

214 I saw a video on the new PT test. It is arguably harder than the ones I took back in the late 60s, early 70s

Posted by: Javems at May 12, 2021 03:29 PM (8SSHh)

215 People always miss the big problem with women in combat roles. There are phenomenally fit women out there. However, no level of fitness is going to change their musculoskeletal makeup. Most women simply cannot withstand the pounding your body takes as an infantryman. They will get injured frequently, their bodies will break down, and they will not last long in that role. Hell, it happens to a fair number of men. I was a Marine radar tech, and a fair number of our SNCOs had started out in infantry and lat-moved into ATC for their second enlistment because they had back problems, knee problems, etc.

Posted by: radar at May 12, 2021 03:29 PM (3Zp/H)

216 I remember when the hard Left and limousine Liberals
looked down on service men. They could never understand why someone
would join the military when they had other options. These guys bounce
around on military service all the time. Not all, but many of them only
think it is worthy if they are the ones in office.

Posted by: Quint at May 12, 2021 03:13 PM

My High School guidance counselor spent days trying to talk me out of joining the Army. She was furious when I went to my interview and told her what I was going to do. And this was in 1975. I was the only one out of 600+ kids in my class who joined the Military.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 12, 2021 03:29 PM (JUOKG)

217 I see where this is going...

You subverted expectations, didn't you?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 12, 2021 03:27 PM (LvTSG)

Heh. I think I pissed them off by existing, but I was too large for them to get in my face.
Though, to be honest, I got out of that game before things got really bad, like Worldcon 2016

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 12, 2021 03:29 PM (ifmtJ)

218 So....do you think The Paste Eater even knows he's The President?

Posted by: Jak Sucio at May 12, 2021 03:30 PM (jvt6t)

219 Rep. Virginia Foxx introduced the resolution to remove Cheney, and "reminded Liz Cheney that a leader with no followers is just a person on a walk."

Posted by: SMOD at May 12, 2021 03:30 PM (RHGPo)

220 Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2021 03:28 PM (CyB2R)

What part of they did not sign up for this did you not understand? Hater!!!

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 12, 2021 03:30 PM (ldN5D)

221 My Dad didn't go to Vietnam. He was in the Air Force in Thailand during
the Vietnam era. He didn't fly, he was Security Police. The heat and
humidity gave him a permanent skin condition.

Heat and Humidity are funny names for Thai girls.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at May 12, 2021 03:30 PM (HCRZt)

222 I don't know if she'd pass the Army fitness test, but I also don't really care:
https://is.gd/Y9by5K
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2021 03:20 PM (Jsjd7)
........

She could be company sammich maker.

Posted by: wth at May 12, 2021 03:30 PM (v0R5T)

223 198 So, MAE, your opinion of self published writing on say, Amazon?
Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:23 PM (0KKyI)

Sturgeons's rule applies here too: 90% of it is crap.
But the good stuff hasn't gone through censors and filters.

So you rarely find self-published stuff that is professionally edited (though there are some) but you also get more variety than you'll find in Barnes and Noble.

Best best is to find an established author you like and can write and buy anything they self-publish.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 12, 2021 03:27 PM (ifmtJ)

Yeah, I see like zero editing in a lot of offerings, and no one seems to give a shit anymore. My sci-fi snark was aimed at the proliferation of macho girls and beta males in the genre, some of it embarrassingly so. Not all of course, but I would say now a large proportion of it.

Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:30 PM (0KKyI)

224 If and when I am required to put my pronouns in my email signature or whatever, I'm just going to fallback on my slavic heritage and use Russian pronouns in all their glorious case declensions - (On, Ego, Im, Emu). And I'll educate people when they are mispronounced or used ungrammatically.

We just had a Sr VP add that mess to all her communications. I mean she's not the prettiest lady, but I wouldn't confuse her for a transformer.

Posted by: Mishdog at May 12, 2021 03:30 PM (cqAUI)

225 Coming soon to a war near you...TrigglyPuff versus Ivan and/or Xi.

This should be...very one sided.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 12, 2021 03:30 PM (DpkTQ)

226 I have a question: if they're going to lower physical standards for women, why don't they also do so for geezer men?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 12, 2021 03:30 PM (YqDXo)

227 > "there were no romance books with characters who look like me."

Try reading a book with just words and then you can make the character look the way you want.

Posted by: all doubt removed at May 12, 2021 03:31 PM (S2eH9)

228 > It is hard to teach a grown man how to throw a ball.

During some downtime at work one day, I gave three of my co-workers lessons on how to throw a ball. Three grown men, all of them had terrible form and mechanics. They didn't grow up in America, though. One was French Canadian, one was from Argentina, and the third was was from the Dominican Republic.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 12, 2021 03:31 PM (YYlyE)

229 The part about banging out 100 pushups is bullshit though. I'm a dude (just in case some of you aren't sure), and I banged out 100 pushups once in all my Army tests, and it was friggin' exhausting and after a lot of time spent in the gym. At the time, to get a 100% on the pushups for a male of my age (25), I only had to do 80, so banging out 60 would be fairer to use ad-hominemly.

Let's be real, Ace. In your prime, how many pushups could you bang out, proper form, in 2 minutes? I'm going to go out on a limb here and wager that it would have been less than 80 and a lot less than 100.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 12, 2021 03:31 PM (KAi1n)

230 No doubt some lesbians could pass the test. Just talked to a gorgeous woman about 6 feet tall who happens to be a lesbian. Before she became a police officer she ran a gym and taught fitness. However, "We hire lesbians" should not be a selling point.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2021 03:31 PM (k39e/)

231 So you rarely find self-published stuff that is professionally edited

Its where the freshest, most creative, and least controlled by wokenitude stuff is. Which is worse: yet another mary sue story about a checkbox hero destroying white men, or a few badly constructed sentences?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2021 03:31 PM (KZzsI)

232 Back before he lost his mind, PJ O'Rourke had a classic observation about the first "intifada" (rock-throwing was the main MO for the Paleos). Something like "if the Israelis were occupying Panama or parts of the Dominican Republic, they would have been driven out in a day - but Palestinians like most in the world throw like girls".

Japanese (baseball country) were pretty effective with grenades in some of the Pacific engagements.

Germans used the long-handled grenades, which facilitated throwing (for a non-throwing culture). Soviets used grenades similar to ours, in size/shape.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2021 03:31 PM (OTzUX)

233 *uncomfortable cough*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 12, 2021 03:28 PM (LvTSG)

Oh stop

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 12, 2021 03:31 PM (ifmtJ)

234 217 Heh. I think I pissed them off by existing, but I was too large for them to get in my face.
Though, to be honest, I got out of that game before things got really bad, like Worldcon 2016
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 12, 2021 03:29 PM (ifmtJ)

==========

"Science fiction is the space of women and minorities like Arthur C. Clarke and Isaac Asimov!"
*hushed whispering*
"I mean to say that the space of science fiction has been too long dominated by white males like Arthur C. Clarke and Isaac Asimov, and it's our space now!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 12, 2021 03:31 PM (LvTSG)

235 I remember seeing an interview on TV back in the late 70s when Carter and the feminists were all pushing to get women into combat roles. Might have been on Donahue or some b******* like that.
Anyway this officer was trying to explain to everyone the importance of strength in combat and how it was fairly normal for a guy to pick up a wounded buddy and get him to safety while still engaging the enemy and that a woman lacked the upper body strength to do that.

The feminist answered that in that case a female soldier could grab the upper body of the guy and another female soldier can grab his lower half and get him to safety.

I s*** you not.

Several years after that I was at fort Benning watching the US Army spend $40,000 a soldier to put a company of women through jump school to get their wings even though they were never going to use them in combat. They called them "whiskeys" because of the W in front of their roster number on their helmet liners.

Posted by: Azathoth at May 12, 2021 03:31 PM (VNgpN)

236 Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 12, 2021 03:29 PM (JUOKG)
-----
My HS guidance counselor was ecstatic to see me headed for the door and couldn't have cared less where I was going.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2021 03:31 PM (MVjcR)

237 That's a whole 'nother thing that isn't related to raw physical ability. Women have different (and more rigorous) hygiene needs than men. I suspect that women in front line foxhole mud-and-blood combat for a week or more would start revealing serious health and disease problems even if there's no question of physical ability.

But those are things we're not even allowed to say let alone study.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

Nasty, sweaty, yeasty cooch?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2021 03:31 PM (OCTRt)

238
While men pass it easily.

Which means it's too easy!
They've watered down the physical tests too much.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at May 12, 2021 03:31 PM (JtT4O)

239 If this continues, our prospects in the next shooting war look bleak.

Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:32 PM (0KKyI)

240 I wonder if Marx, Engels, Alinsky would actually believe people have bought hook, line and sinker into cultural marxism, because even they knew it was bullshit. Marxism was just supposed to break down the existing order, not really be implemented to maintain a functioning society

Posted by: JROD at May 12, 2021 03:32 PM (0jZnq)

241 If you were foreign communist powers who had infiltrated all institutions of the U.S. in order to destroy it from within and without a shot ... what exactly would you do differently?

/rhetorical

Posted by: ShainS at May 12, 2021 03:32 PM (/OMf9)

242 I recall a few years ago the Army dropped the grenade course as a go or no go for graduation from basic training. The argument was the Drill Sergeants were spending way to much training time on grenades. So many new recruits grew up playing video games and not baseball. It was something the Army did not plan for.

It is hard to teach a grown man how to throw a ball.
Posted by: Quint at May 12, 2021 03:26 PM (x/IHv)

1. I'm talking over several months in the unit, not in 8 weeks. The standard to get out of basic training is to make a minimum. It's up to the unit to get the soldier up to standard. Almost all young men have the physical potential to get there. Young women generally don't.

2. That relates to dropping the grenade throw. Women can't do it and never could be trained to do it. They generally don't have the physical potential. If a young man can't throw a grenade into a circle at the required distance, he can be trained to do it. It might not happen in his first 8 weeks in the Army, but he can get there.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 12, 2021 03:32 PM (BMmaB)

243 233 *uncomfortable cough*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 12, 2021 03:28 PM (LvTSG)

Oh stop
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 12, 2021 03:31 PM (ifmtJ)

=========

I can't help that I have the covids that makes me cough all the time!

Bigot!

(I do not have the covids, this comment was for joking purposes only. If there had been real covids, panic would be appropriate for FEAR purposes.)

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 12, 2021 03:33 PM (LvTSG)

244 So you rarely find self-published stuff that is professionally edited

Its where the freshest, most creative, and least controlled by wokenitude stuff is. Which is worse: yet another mary sue story about a checkbox hero destroying white men, or a few badly constructed sentences?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2021 03:31 PM (KZzsI)

The former is worse. Doesn't make the latter disappear. I agree that you get the content unfiltered, which is a good thing, but I've had to read and critique too many self published manuscripts to have illusions. A skilled editor is a godsend.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 12, 2021 03:33 PM (ifmtJ)

245 "What part of they did not sign up for this did you not understand? Hater!!!
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at May 12, 2021 03:30 PM (ldN5D)"

Lot of truth to that. Many of these people thought there was zero chance they would get deployed. By the way, I'm. Not bagging on those who did. Just these types of lowlifes.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2021 03:33 PM (CyB2R)

246
Banging was only a social construct to teenage Sefton.

Sigh...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 12, 2021 03:33 PM (s2VJv)

247 You ever get the feeling that our troll is trolling a comment section that only he can see?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 12, 2021 03:33 PM (Y5qcH)

248 I've long hated the run and thought it should be replaced for just that reason: the guy built like an ox who can haul the 240 all day is far better than the skinny guy who can run two miles quickly. Replace it with 40-yard sprints and a five-mile road march, which better covers the kinds of activities you're likely to see in a combat environment.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile

A friend of my son in high school ran X-country, and was pretty fast in 5K, mile, etc. He went into ROTC to be a helicopter mechanic (officer). He was average height and skinny, and blew through ROTC "basic" because he was really fit. But yeah, not a lot of upper body strength there.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative ....Living on the prison planet at May 12, 2021 03:33 PM (vcOmj)

249 And Republican politicians will continue cheering these institutions.

And so will far too many Republicans.

Posted by: johnson at May 12, 2021 03:33 PM (T3zWB)

250 You have no idea what a cluster the ACFT rollout has been. The Army officially adopted it in October 2020, after a couple years of trials, but even then, it was in a weird, quasi-diagnostic situation where it wasn't required, so compliance was low. A huge chunk of the force hasn't done an official physical fitness test since October 2019 (or maybe April 2020), and no one expects us to really start the ACFT in March 2022 as we're being told.

The grading standards have changed multiple times, and Armt leadership is desperate to have a universal scoring system (the precious test had different standards based on age and gender). Females are really struggling with one event in particular, the hanging leg tuck. The Army authorized a 2 minute plank as an alternative, for just the first year, and recently made it a permanent option. Congressional leaders are raising hell because their female, Army constituents are complaining...it's amazing.

Also, it's a nightmare for the National Guard and Reserve force. Old test: push-ups, sit-ups and run. Easy to do at home on your own. New test: deadlift with hex bar, shuttle run with kettle bells and sled, leg tuck from a pull-up bar, etc

Posted by: Grimmy at May 12, 2021 03:33 PM (NX9bY)

251 230 No doubt some lesbians could pass the test. Just talked to a gorgeous woman about 6 feet tall who happens to be a lesbian. Before she became a police officer she ran a gym and taught fitness. However, "We hire lesbians" should not be a selling point.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2021 03:31 PM (k39e/)

Would make an interesting signboard out in front of the precinct though....

Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:33 PM (0KKyI)

252
This is the first time we'll have a Republican woman in the House openly campaigning for Democrats. Historic!

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at May 12, 2021 03:34 PM (JtT4O)

253 Rep. Virginia Foxx introduced the resolution to remove Cheney, and "reminded Liz Cheney that a leader with no followers is just a person on a walk."
Posted by: SMOD at May 12, 2021 03:30 PM (RHGPo)

I love this.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 12, 2021 03:34 PM (FGh1l)

254 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2021 03:20 PM (Jsjd7)

Perhaps you have a newsletter?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - Our Beloved Leaders Have, and Deserve, Their Special Privileges at May 12, 2021 03:34 PM (hOUT3)

255 bonhomme - dude from the DR who couldn't throw? Wow. Like a guy from northern Norway who can't x-c ski. Not the norm.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2021 03:34 PM (OTzUX)

256 It is not as if this should be news, women have been failing the fitness standards for fire departments and every other job where strength was required forever.

Posted by: Y5 at May 12, 2021 03:34 PM (cPlMq)

257 IDF took out a Hamas Command and Control center.

https://bit.ly/3tBJF6s
Posted by: bonhomme at May 12, 2021 03:24 PM (YYlyE)

Excellente. Those Birthng Person fuckers can go straight to hell. They tried and almost succeeded in killing my son. He cleared their tunnels and took out several himself. Then they tried to blow him up and barely missed.

Posted by: LASue at May 12, 2021 03:34 PM (Ed8Zd)

258 You get a similar problem at a restaurant that tries to serve every ethnic cuisine on the planet. Most of it will be awful.

Rule of thumb: going to a Chinese-(Other Asian) family-run restaurant, order from the Other Asian part of the menu. Because that’s the food they care about.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 12, 2021 03:34 PM (CX3cf)

259 >We are doing the same damn thing the Soviets did in the 30s.
And it will work out the same way.

with the defeat of Germany!

Posted by: DB- just DB at May 12, 2021 03:35 PM (iTXRQ)

260 Yeah he could not throw but could he catch!

Posted by: Y5 at May 12, 2021 03:35 PM (cPlMq)

261 240 If this continues, our prospects in the next shooting war look bleak.

Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:32 PM (0KKyI)

-----

I fully expect Beijing Biden to surrender immediately after an eight-figure payout is made to Hunter, with the customary 10% going to The Big Guy.

Posted by: ShainS at May 12, 2021 03:35 PM (/OMf9)

262 We're boned.

Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at May 12, 2021 03:35 PM (qZdIZ)

263 237
Nasty, sweaty, yeasty cooch?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2021 03:31 PM (OCTRt)

Nasty, Sweaty, Yeasty Cooch was the never recorded project from The Who after Meaty Beaty Big and Bouncy.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 12, 2021 03:35 PM (s2VJv)

264 In 1980 in Germany, which was the bottom of the barrel as far as the post-Vietnam Carter military got, one week I got 2 soldiers straight out of infantry advanced individual training. They came in on a Thursday. One of them got busted by CID trying to buy hash on Friday night. The other one could do 2 rungs on the overhead ladder - which included the rung he started hanging on and the next one, which he touched before he fell. We have had hard times before.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 12, 2021 03:35 PM (BMmaB)

265 Posted by: Guy who relates everything to a Zappa song at May 12, 2021 03:24 PM (Tnijr)

Hello, MisHum!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at May 12, 2021 03:36 PM (sy5kK)

266 I guess don't ask don't tell is just passe now.

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 12, 2021 03:36 PM (nxdel)

267 If you were foreign communist powers who had infiltrated all institutions of the U.S. in order to destroy it from within and without a shot ... what exactly would you do differently?
Posted by: ShainS at May 12, 2021 03:32 PM (/OMf9)
++++
Convince them I didn't exist?

Wait, that's the Devil. Never mind.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2021 03:36 PM (Jsjd7)

268 "I mean to say that the space of science fiction has been too long dominated by white males like Arthur C. Clarke and Isaac Asimov, and it's our space now!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 12, 2021 03:31 PM (LvTSG)

That's almost a verbatim quote, BTW.

I was there when they renamed the Lovecraft award in 2015. I was PISSED and not quiet about it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 12, 2021 03:36 PM (ifmtJ)

269 229 The part about banging out 100 pushups is bullshit though. I'm a dude (just in case some of you aren't sure), and I banged out 100 pushups once in all my Army tests, and it was friggin' exhausting and after a lot of time spent in the gym. At the time, to get a 100% on the pushups for a male of my age (25), I only had to do 80, so banging out 60 would be fairer to use ad-hominemly.

Let's be real, Ace. In your prime, how many pushups could you bang out, proper form, in 2 minutes? I'm going to go out on a limb here and wager that it would have been less than 80 and a lot less than 100.
Posted by: SFGoth at May 12, 2021 03:31 PM (KAi1n)

I could do around 150, SFGoth.... but then again, I worked mining construction...

Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:36 PM (0KKyI)

270 258 Posted by: LASue at May 12, 2021 03:34 PM (Ed8Zd)

Whoa. Ho Lee Fook.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 12, 2021 03:36 PM (s2VJv)

271 >women have been failing the fitness standards for fire departments and every other job where strength was required forever.

but the brochure said wimmins can do anything mens can do, maybe better

Posted by: DB- just DB at May 12, 2021 03:36 PM (iTXRQ)

272 I've had to read and critique too many self published manuscripts to have illusions. A skilled editor is a godsend.

I agree, but if I had to choose, I'll pick the rough and sloppy creative over slick and prepackaged crap. The more people write, the better they get at it.

Editors are EXPENSIVE. Even a really cheap one will run you $400 or more for an average novel. If you think you're gonna earn that much in sales within a few years, you're smoking crack.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2021 03:36 PM (KZzsI)

273 That's an easy fix. As commander and thief, I'll order half the men to identify as women. then we reclassify them as womenz. Then the failure rate of womenz goes way down.

Posted by: Commander and Thief at May 12, 2021 03:37 PM (cCxiu)

274 I just don't want to hear bitching about whose turn it is to drive the tank.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 12, 2021 03:37 PM (guGkK)

275 The market was reporting "tits are not calm" to the Biden junta. Down a fuckton. That'll shake up the donor class.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 12, 2021 03:37 PM (dDc9Z)

276 267 I guess don't ask don't tell is just passe now.
Posted by: Jewells45 at May 12, 2021 03:36 PM (nxdel)

Old and busted - Don't Ask Don't Tell
New hotness - Lie, Brag and Berate

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 12, 2021 03:37 PM (s2VJv)

277 264 237
Nasty, sweaty, yeasty cooch?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2021 03:31 PM (OCTRt)

Nasty, Sweaty, Yeasty Cooch was the never recorded project from The Who after Meaty Beaty Big and Bouncy.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 12, 2021 03:35 PM (s2VJv)

They HAD to have opened for someone, somewhere...

Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:37 PM (0KKyI)

278 The part about banging out 100 pushups is bullshit though. I'm a dude (just in case some of you aren't sure), and I banged out 100 pushups once in all my Army tests, and it was friggin' exhausting and after a lot of time spent in the gym. At the time, to get a 100% on the pushups for a male of my age (25), I only had to do 80, so banging out 60 would be fairer to use ad-hominemly.

Let's be real, Ace. In your prime, how many pushups could you bang out, proper form, in 2 minutes? I'm going to go out on a limb here and wager that it would have been less than 80 and a lot less than 100.

Eh, no average person can bang out 100 pushups without training for that test specifically. I'd say most athletic college guys could do 40 or so on command without training. However, most normal guys under about 40 can train to do 100 pushups in 50 days or so.

Try it yourself!
https://hundredpushups.com/

Posted by: bonhomme at May 12, 2021 03:37 PM (YYlyE)

279 As I mentioned the other ONT, 322/300, bitchez.
Best score in my SOBC class, Ft. Gordon, GA, 1991. (Different test
though, only 2 minutes of pushups and situps, and 2 mile run.)

Posted by: SFGoth at May 12, 2021 03:25 PM (KAi1n)

I sucked ass at push ups. We had to do 42 in 2min, and I did not much more than that. Sit ups were ok, I think I did at least 65. My best run time ever was 13.08, but that was long after basic. They required 15:52 and I had that covered easily. But push ups were always my bane. Luckily I was badass at drill so I didn't get dropped individually ever.

I joke about that I was only dropped on time, the last day of basic while preparing for graduation. I think I was the only one to have that distinction but we certainly did not discuss it. So we were about to march in our graduation parade, we were in dress uniform etc. The Drill Sergeant says "present arms". I put my weapon at order arms and did a standard hand salute. I figured the jig was up, no one could go the entire time. Man that guy was pissed at me lol.

Posted by: Quint at May 12, 2021 03:37 PM (x/IHv)

280 Form up or fuck off

I believe those were the options they chose from…

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 12, 2021 03:37 PM (CX3cf)

281 Rule of thumb: PT #2

Same thing if you go to an Indian and Nepalese restaurant - order the Nepalese...

Posted by: Nova local at May 12, 2021 03:37 PM (b1h2x)

282 Not a lot of corporals out there with a degree from UC-Davis. Just saying.

Posted by: Bert G at May 12, 2021 03:37 PM (sAW0o)

283 Colonial Pipeline announces they are looking to hire a Cyber Security Manager

Better late than never!

Posted by: Mark1971 at May 12, 2021 03:37 PM (xPl2J)

284 most girls are not as strong as most boys, der

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 12, 2021 03:37 PM (bTQ72)

285 It is hard to teach a grown man how to throw a ball.
Posted by: Quint at May 12, 2021 03:26 PM (x/IHv)

It really is. Try throwing with the wrong hand. It's very difficult not to make girly throws.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 12, 2021 03:38 PM (YqDXo)

286 If you wondered how the Democrats were going to get the military to attack American citizens on our home soil, now you know. Explains all their bragging about your guns not helping getting droned or run over by a tank.

Posted by: wodun at May 12, 2021 03:38 PM (lFga6)

287 Some fat chicken in the nyfd has retried the fitness bit of the requirement 10 times

Posted by: Y5 at May 12, 2021 03:38 PM (cPlMq)

288 Posted by: bonhomme at May 12, 2021 03:37 PM (YYlyE)

at least in the old Army, they decided the push up count. You go do sixty and only end up with forty. Hence the joke about "puss ups".

Posted by: Quint at May 12, 2021 03:39 PM (x/IHv)

289 I do look forward to the Historic First All-Lesbian Human Wave Attack. Massed lumberjack shirts will intimidate any enemy.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 12, 2021 03:39 PM (guGkK)

290 It is hard to teach a grown man how to throw a ball.

*****

Strangely, the ability to throw a ball is either innate or you will always look like an uncoordinated doofus. My youngest daughter could swing a golf club or bat and throw a ball like most boys when she was only 6 or 7 - when she first picked up a bat and ball. Didn't have to teach her anything but perfecting follow thru. She tried to teach the neighbor boy (nice little Jewish kid) and the poor guy couldn't throw to save his life.

The last thing my daughter wants to do is carry a pack, wear boots and fight a war.

Posted by: Cringe Biscuit at May 12, 2021 03:39 PM (qaN/p)

291 273 Editors are EXPENSIVE. Even a really cheap one will run you $400 or more for an average novel. If you think you're gonna earn that much in sales within a few years, you're smoking crack.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2021 03:36 PM (KZzsI)

========

This reminds me...my mother offered to have one of my manuscripts professionally edited. I read through it and need to add my small changes to the draft to actually get that done.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 12, 2021 03:39 PM (LvTSG)

292 From playing infield, my throw is pretty much sidearm...

Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:39 PM (0KKyI)

293 If women can't compete against men how has Hailie Deegan won (3) k&n series nascar races against men and Gracie Trotter has won a nascar arca race against men?

Posted by: exodus 21:22-25 at May 12, 2021 03:39 PM (HcSOJ)

294 265 In 1980 in Germany, which was the bottom of the barrel as far as the post-Vietnam Carter military got,

Carter. Why I never went military.

Posted by: JEM at May 12, 2021 03:39 PM (8erNz)

295
Army

Be ~~All You Can Be~~ Better

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at May 12, 2021 03:39 PM (JtT4O)

296 Also, it's a nightmare for the National Guard and Reserve force. Old test: push-ups, sit-ups and run. Easy to do at home on your own. New test: deadlift with hex bar, shuttle run with kettle bells and sled, leg tuck from a pull-up bar, etc
Posted by: Grimmy at May 12, 2021 03:33 PM (NX9bY)

I laughed when I first heard about the events. I remember platoon sergeants scrambling to find the stopwatch and tape just to do the old APFT and height/weight. Good luck keeping all that crap.

Plus, I fully expect that the deadlift will end up injuring a lot of soldiers. The deadlift is a great exercise, but doing it in a PT test is a recipe for someone to use bad form or lift too much and injure himself.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 12, 2021 03:39 PM (jOcSX)

297 On my way out in 1975 I saw a female driving a tractor out of the motor pool with 5 guys walking her down the road. That may have been the beginning of this stuff.

Posted by: dartist at May 12, 2021 03:39 PM (+ya+t)

298 Eh, no average person can bang out 100 pushups without training for that test specifically.

When I was at my peak physically in my early 20s I could do like 75 situps and 50 chinups (the hard kind), but about 50 pushups was my max. My shoulders and chest, arms were fine but my back started to give out after a while. I was really skinny back then, though, almost anorexic looking.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2021 03:39 PM (KZzsI)

299 Nasty, sweaty, yeasty cooch?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2021 03:31 PM (OCTRt)

---------------------

When I graduated boot camp at Parris Island, there was a female company graduating with us. We trained separately, but our paths would cross from time to time. During the Crucible, when you're out in the field for a couple of days, our senior drill instructor caught us checking out the female company across the way. They looked like hell, but they were still girls, and we hadn't been around girls much over the previous three months.

He told us, "Boys, you know, those girls haven't bathed in a few days and it's hot as hell out there. You know what that means?......grilled cheese sandwich. Think about that"

SDI GySgt Wood was a badass Marine. I'm guessing he wouldn't be terribly welcome in today's Marine Corps, and that's a fucking shame.

Posted by: radar at May 12, 2021 03:39 PM (3Zp/H)

300 The former is worse. Doesn't make the latter disappear. I agree that you get the content unfiltered, which is a good thing, but I've had to read and critique too many self published manuscripts to have illusions. A skilled editor is a godsend.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 12, 2021 03:33 PM (ifmtJ)

I'm fortunate that I got a first-rate education and am a pretty good editor of my own stuff. My blind spot is knowing what to junk.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 12, 2021 03:40 PM (2JVJo)

301 That's because half the women attempting the ACFT are fat slobs who believe the military is a jobs program for loafers. Don't even get me started on deliberately getting pregnant to avoid deployment.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2021 03:03 PM (CyB2R)

I was an Army civilian for a while. I worked with a male sergeant, two female sergeants, and a female captain. There was never a time when one or more of the women wasn't either pregnant or on maternity leave.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 12, 2021 03:40 PM (Ez6QX)

302 at least in the old Army, they decided the push up count. You go do sixty and only end up with forty. Hence the joke about "puss ups".

Posted by: Quint at May 12, 2021 03:39 PM (x/IHv)

It was always funny when you're doing pushups and they just keep repeating the same number over an over.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 12, 2021 03:40 PM (Y5qcH)

303 This reminds me...my mother offered to have one of my manuscripts professionally edited. I read through it and need to add my small changes to the draft to actually get that done.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 12, 2021 03:39 PM (LvTSG)

#DoIt

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 12, 2021 03:40 PM (ifmtJ)

304 286 am i banned yet? I am trying to teach a law lesson here.
Posted by: Bink at May 12, 2021 03:38 PM (zqtCU)

Go on...

(Ban-hammer in hand)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 12, 2021 03:40 PM (s2VJv)

305 "Posted by: SFGoth at May 12, 2021 03:31 PM (KAi1n) "

I can do 140, good Ranger form. But that's just me.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2021 03:40 PM (CyB2R)

306 (helping out bonhomme here)

Classic Firearms has refurbished (real) M1 carbines.

Not giving them away, however. $1500 and up. Kinda the going rate these days for those great little rifles.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2021 03:40 PM (OTzUX)

307 @230 FenelonSpoke-LMAO!!! "I'm sure some lesbians could pass it"
as if that gives them some sort of physical advantage over straight women. Sorry Fen they're still female. Not being mean and mocking you but that was funny. : )

Posted by: JROD at May 12, 2021 03:40 PM (0jZnq)

308 "Try online dating," they said. "It's really fun," they said. "There's plenty of fish in the sea, you just have to cast out your net," they said.

https://is.gd/9vY3sd

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2021 03:40 PM (Jsjd7)

309 Posted by: Mishdog at May 12, 2021 03:30 PM (cqAUI)3
-----------------------------

Mishdog is Russian and in English would translate to Horndog?

Posted by: Braenyard at May 12, 2021 03:40 PM (MwlPL)

310
liz cheney "won" her House seat with a measly 130K votes.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at May 12, 2021 03:40 PM (JtT4O)

311 Editors are EXPENSIVE.

This would be a better argument if it weren’t obvious a whole lot of writers aren’t even using the free editing tools built into their word processor.

Or even bothering to read their own books. Sadly, this behavior is filtering upward into supposedly professionally-produced books.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 12, 2021 03:40 PM (CX3cf)

312 "Nasty, Sweaty, Yeasty Cooch
They HAD to have opened for someone, somewhere..."

They had the funk!

Posted by: gag at May 12, 2021 03:40 PM (Tnijr)

313 Giant farting noise

@Breaking911 17m

BREAKING: Pres. Biden on Colonial Pipeline shutdown: "I think you're going to hear some good news in the next 24 hours."

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 12, 2021 03:41 PM (nI1Kq)

314 Soviets used grenades similar to ours, in size/shape.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2021 03:31 PM (OTzUX)

But not in effect. The Soviet grenades make a big ass BOOM and cloud of smoke, but ours are more deadly because they fragment in a uniform manner within a predictable radius.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 12, 2021 03:41 PM (BMmaB)

315 Lot of truth to that. Many of these people thought
there was zero chance they would get deployed. By the way, I'm. Not
bagging on those who did. Just these types of lowlifes.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2021 03:33 PM

During Desert Storm I had to set up a unit at RTC Great Lakes for activated Reservists who were refusing to deploy to the sand box. More than you would think and the number one excuse was "I never thought I would have to deploy anywhere when I enlisted". Discharged all of them with RE-4 and 1.0 evals.

Additionally I had to set up another unit after the War for returning people to continue on active duty because they liked it. About the same numbers for both units.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 12, 2021 03:41 PM (JUOKG)

316 When I was a looey in the Army, there were a few women here and there who I suspected were lesbians. They also seemed to be better soldiers compared to their straight cohorts, male and female. Competent, more mature, less trouble, not looking for extracurricular activities of the kind that lead to pregnancies.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 12, 2021 03:41 PM (KAi1n)

317 My blind spot is knowing what to junk.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 12, 2021 03:40 PM (2JVJo)

Yep. That second pair of eyes is critical. Ideally from someone who knows your genre well, knows character and plot, etc.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 12, 2021 03:41 PM (ifmtJ)

318 Just got back from getting gas, busy but no lines and not all pumps filled up at any one time

Posted by: Skip at May 12, 2021 03:41 PM (Cxk7w)

319 Nasty, sweaty, yeasty cooch?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2021 03:31 PM

I saw nasty, sweaty, yeasty cooch open for My Schlong during Rush Week 2021

Posted by: Drunk frat boy at May 12, 2021 03:41 PM (NX9bY)

320 188 Not sure what the physical fitness standards are for females in the IDF,
but based on my occasional in-depth research on the matter, I'd say
they're pretty high.
folks occasionally lobbing rockets into your home town might be a good motivator.

Posted by: Comrade Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at May 12, 2021 03:41 PM (sGtp+)

321 307

Go on...

(Ban-hammer in hand)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 12, 2021 03:40 PM (s2VJv)

Lol... like Zeus, you are..

Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:42 PM (0KKyI)

322 "There's plenty of fish in the sea, you just have to cast out your net," they said.

And she's only 7 miles away!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2021 03:42 PM (KZzsI)

323 Not a lot of corporals out there with a degree from UC-Davis. Just saying.

Posted by: Bert G at May 12, 2021 03:37 PM (sAW0o)

depending the the unit and MOS, a corporal can be a pretty rare rank in the Army. We didn't have many corporals in the infantry as I recall. We did encounter corporals at basic and AIT, they were guys with college degrees, who joined up, and were waiting for OCS as I recall. She could be like that, i don't doubt that possibility.

Posted by: Quint at May 12, 2021 03:42 PM (x/IHv)

324 > at least in the old Army, they decided the push up count. You go do sixty and only end up with forty. Hence the joke about "puss ups".

I've seen a ton of Army guys, who brag about how many pushups they can do, do little pushup bobs. Dude, moving three inches up and down is not a damn pushup.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 12, 2021 03:42 PM (YYlyE)

325 "I was an Army civilian for a while. I worked with a male sergeant, two female sergeants, and a female captain. There was never a time when one or more of the women wasn't either pregnant or on maternity leave.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 12, 2021 03:40 PM (Ez6QX)"

Some commands got wise to this garbage. You can rest assured some of those people who pulled this crap ended up in situations they'd wish they'd avoided. Let's just leave it at that.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2021 03:42 PM (CyB2R)

326 so when do the non-bleeding birthing persons get to have longer hair, wear the pregnancy BDU, and hang out back at the 1st Sergeant's office while occupying a slot on the Table of Organizational Equipment and not performing duties as assigned (i.e, not doing their fucking job) because they identify as female and pregnant, even though we all know that it has a dick and balls and only enlisted to get the free cutadickoffame surgery.

Posted by: BifBewalski - at May 12, 2021 03:42 PM (VcFUs)

327 IIRC the Army reduced standards to have more women pass.
Posted by: MAGA (stop the steal link in this nic) at May 12, 2021 03:04 PM (eMEkg)

See? Incisive analysis like this is why I keep coming back.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 12, 2021 03:42 PM (guGkK)

328 Biden: We are shutting down all pipelines and will transport petroleum by high speed rail.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy not a DHS informant at May 12, 2021 03:42 PM (t7N41)

329 Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 12, 2021 03:41 PM�
Probably means they will shut down more For Equality

Posted by: Skip at May 12, 2021 03:43 PM (Cxk7w)

330 316 Giant farting noise

@Breaking911 17m

BREAKING: Pres. Biden on Colonial Pipeline shutdown: "I think you're going to hear some good news in the next 24 hours."
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 12, 2021 03:41 PM

Oh, is he resigning?

Posted by: Grimmy at May 12, 2021 03:43 PM (NX9bY)

331 because I think those females could pass the ACFT, no problem.

Posted by: BifBewalski - at May 12, 2021 03:43 PM (VcFUs)

332 Army

Identify as ~~Be All You Can Be~~ Better

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at May 12, 2021 03:39 PM (JtT4O)

Posted by: 4 at May 12, 2021 03:43 PM (KnJdm)

333 "...whether the Army's attempt to create a fitter force is creating more barriers to success for women."

Fitness is for men, only?
The things you learn...

Posted by: Flyover at May 12, 2021 03:43 PM (Rbu5d)

334 I have always been very strong for a woman. Unload six tons of feed carrying 100lbs at a time, throw 65lb hay bales five tiers high, no problem and no way could I keep up with the guys. I didn't want to, it was just part of my job.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2021 03:43 PM (HK9Ew)

335 BREAKING: Pres. Biden on Colonial Pipeline shutdown: "I think you're going to hear some good news in the next 24 hours."
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 12, 2021 03:41 PM (nI1Kq)
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Is it, "we're waiving all regulatory requirements that could impede manual pipeline operation and have volunteers from the Army Corps of Engineers on standby to assist with pipeline operations if needed to restore production?"

'Cause I doubt that's it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2021 03:43 PM (Jsjd7)

336 The data again raises questions about whether the Army's attempt to create a successful female force is creating more barriers to success for women.
Posted by: Cringe Biscuit at May 12, 2021 03:23 PM (qaN/p)

No, the only question is what very limited roles, far behind the lines, will we allow women to fill.

Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at May 12, 2021 03:44 PM (EpDzw)

337 I never did figure out why the there are two different E-4s in the army, and what the difference was between corporals and specialists.

Posted by: radar at May 12, 2021 03:44 PM (3Zp/H)

338 339 Is it, "we're waiving all regulatory requirements that could impede manual pipeline operation and have volunteers from the Army Corps of Engineers on standby to assist with pipeline operations if needed to restore production?"

'Cause I doubt that's it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2021 03:43 PM (Jsjd7)

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"We've placed a transgender black woman in charge of the investigation."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 12, 2021 03:44 PM (LvTSG)

339
I was an Army civilian for a while. I worked with a male sergeant, two female sergeants, and a female captain. There was never a time when one or more of the women wasn't either pregnant or on maternity leave.

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And that's not counting the ones who LARP as a camp follower.

I was working with the USAF back in the late 80s at a SAC base I will not name when I heard the guys joking about one of the females in the squadron. I asked one of the chiefs about it and he said the young lady in question had already been through the alphabet once in their unit and had started over.

Posted by: Azathoth at May 12, 2021 03:44 PM (VNgpN)

340 He told us, "Boys, you know, those girls haven't bathed in a few days and it's hot as hell out there. You know what that means?......grilled cheese sandwich. Think about that"

and everyone of those Marines would have done sex to those wimmins right then, cuz 19yo Marines

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 12, 2021 03:44 PM (bTQ72)

341
The first time I heard that phrase "birthing person", I immediately thought of a barn animal, not a human being.

Maybe that is exactly what they intended.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at May 12, 2021 03:44 PM (sy5kK)

342 Chicks in the military is stupid

It is fundamentally unfair too

Posted by: Y5 at May 12, 2021 03:44 PM (cPlMq)

343 This would be a better argument if it weren't obvious a whole lot of writers aren't even using the free editing tools built into their word processor.

Well, you can catch most of the obvious stuff that way, but not the more complex delicate sentence structure and more importantly plotting problems. Characters who you forgot about, names that changed by accident, relationships you can't recall, personalities changing, etc.

But yeah, just taking a few minutes to look for the wiggly lines under your text and working them goes a long ways toward looking more professional.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2021 03:45 PM (KZzsI)

344 Same thing if you go to an Indian and Nepalese restaurant - order the Nepalese...

Makes sense.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 12, 2021 03:45 PM (CX3cf)

345 It really is. Try throwing with the wrong hand. It's very difficult not to make girly throws.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Years ago, we were forming a corporate soft ball team. We had some Brit employees, and it was fun to watch "grown men" try to play a game they had never played before. Yeah, they looked like sissies trying to throw a softball.
When I was in my early 20's, we were messing around at an earlier company softball game. There was this one cute girl (about 5'3", but STACKED!) on the company team, who was something of a tomboy. And she could really fire that softball.
So, it's how you grow up, I guess. Huh?

Posted by: Bozo Conservative ....Living on the prison planet at May 12, 2021 03:45 PM (vcOmj)

346 Caesar was talkin' WWII grenades - Soviet had a blast grenade (like the German one) but also a fragmentation sleeve you could fit over it when you wanted that effect. Kind of clever.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2021 03:45 PM (OTzUX)

347 Editors are EXPENSIVE. Even a really cheap one will run you $400 or more for an average novel. If you think you're gonna earn that much in sales within a few years, you're smoking crack.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2021 03:36 PM (KZzsI)

You can probably add a zero there

Editors need to eat too and good editing takes time.

I don't have a solution for the cost vs return. It's why I'm in Tech and not writing, though I love writing more.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 12, 2021 03:45 PM (ifmtJ)

348 Did someone actually say Whattabout car racing?

Posted by: Zek at May 12, 2021 03:45 PM (5RTdG)

349 "Remember CinC Barry Hussein biting his lip as he lifted a couple of 20 lb. weights?"

You're too kind. Those were 5 lbs, MAYBE 10.

Posted by: boxx culvert, waitin for the clampdown. at May 12, 2021 03:45 PM (a07g0)

350 > The first time I heard that phrase "birthing person", I immediately thought of a barn animal, not a human being.

I think the same thing when some leftist twat starts going on about black or brown bodies.

"We need more black bodies in the sciences."

They're people, dude, not farm animals.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 12, 2021 03:46 PM (YYlyE)

351 >>> However, most normal guys under about 40 can train to do 100 pushups in 50 days or so.

Try it yourself!
https://hundredpushups.com/
Posted by: bonhomme at May 12, 2021 03:37 PM (YYlyE)

2 per day over 50 days ... hmm ... I accept your challenge!

Posted by: banana Dream at May 12, 2021 03:46 PM (Fq1gB)

352 With the military being the way it is now, what's the best remaining outlet for a young male looking for adventure?

If those French generals end up taking over, the Foreign Legion looks pretty intriguing.

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at May 12, 2021 03:46 PM (LZ7Gl)

353 Old PT test had a hand grenade throw in it. Had to throw from the kneeling and prone position. Target had concentric scoring rings around a bulls eye in the middle.

Posted by: Javems at May 12, 2021 03:46 PM (8SSHh)

354 265 Caesar North

My father was an Army officer whose career spanned from pre-Vietnam to the end of the Carter years. From 1974 to 1981 or so, the Army was in free fall. Fortunately, the Russians did not decide to invade West Germany during the 70's is all I can say.

Posted by: whig at May 12, 2021 03:47 PM (pO7gM)

355 So, the harder position to play... shortstop, or center field?

Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:47 PM (0KKyI)

356 and everyone of those Marines would have done sex to those wimmins right then, cuz 19yo Marines
Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 12, 2021 03:44 PM (bTQ72)

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Well, yeah, three months without any action at all will make a man do things he'd normally regret.

I will also note that we marched everywhere we went on base - obstacle course, confidence course, A-line, rifle range, Leatherneck Sqaure. The female companies were bused to a lot of them because they'd have so many recruits on light duty.

Posted by: radar at May 12, 2021 03:47 PM (3Zp/H)

357 I have always been very strong for a woman.

All the better for hugs

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2021 03:47 PM (KZzsI)

358 Banging was only a social construct to teenage Sefton.Sigh...
I was a prisoner-of-war during the Sexual Revolution.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Psychos Rule! No, really. They're in charge now. at May 12, 2021 03:47 PM (HaL55)

359 Women are exactly the same as men*

*except when they're better
*except when they need special accommodations
*except when they say so

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at May 12, 2021 03:47 PM (fpng3)

360 Got out in 2016 after 24 years of service. Don't miss it one bit. Kinda wish I left sooner

Posted by: DocCrewp at May 12, 2021 03:48 PM (boxab)

361 The Sexual Revolution came with many casualties... I have heard..

Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:48 PM (0KKyI)

362 I think the same thing when some leftist twat starts going on about black or brown bodies.
"We need more black bodies in the sciences."
They're people, dude, not farm animals.
Posted by: bonhomme at May 12, 2021 03:46 PM (YYlyE)
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No, not according to contemporary race theory. Leave your antiquated notions at the door. It isn't about your character or your responsibility or your work ethic or your values or your morals or your commitment to your family or your faith or anything else like that.

It's about the immutable color of your skin and nothing more. You are your intrinsic physical characteristics and nothing more (unless those characteristics involve your sex, because that one *is* mutable).

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2021 03:48 PM (Jsjd7)

363 > Try throwing with the wrong hand. It's very difficult not to make girly throws.

A good coach can break it down for you and help you out. Other than muscle memory, part of the difficulty of throwing with your off hand is you're having to think about it. Most people can't actually articulate what the parts of a proper throw are. If you can't articulate it, you're not going to be able to think it through.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 12, 2021 03:48 PM (YYlyE)

364 328
I've seen a ton of Army guys, who brag about how many pushups they can do, do little pushup bobs. Dude, moving three inches up and down is not a damn pushup.
Posted by: bonhomme at May 12, 2021 03:42 PM

The new ACFT has a different type of push-up to try and address this. You go down to the ground, lift and outstretch your hands, return them so your thumb and index finger are under your shoulder (prevent the super wide push-ups) and then fully extend arms. Not perfect, but reduces some of the issues with full range of motion.

They had to add "outstretch the hands" because it used to be "touch chest to ground and lift hands off ground". Joe figured out a weird way to drop to the ground, bounce while lifting hands, and then get an advantage when pushing up.

Posted by: Grimmy at May 12, 2021 03:49 PM (NX9bY)

365 Posted by: JROD at May 12, 2021 03:40 PM (0jZnq)

I didn't suggest being lesbians would give them a physical advantage. I used an example of a woman who know who is very fit and yes, she probably could pass the test..

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2021 03:49 PM (k39e/)

366 troll is stupid troll, I see

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 12, 2021 03:49 PM (ifmtJ)

367 Left the Navy in 1989. Can't imagine how strange the shipboard environment must be with women on 300'-400' warships. Utterly ridiculous. Used to hear stories back then of the women on the oilers and tenders that would be pregnant shortly after returning from overseas deployment. In the close quarters of a combat ship they probably just try to prevent orgies from breaking out. Do they have a Ms. Ballbricker on every ship wandering space to space keeping the kids apart?

Posted by: Cringe Biscuit at May 12, 2021 03:49 PM (qaN/p)

368 341 I never did figure out why the there are two different E-4s in the army, and what the difference was between corporals and specialists.
Posted by: radar at May 12, 2021 03:44 PM (3Zp/H)

It's a level of mafia/sham expertise. The specialist is a master, and should be fast tracked to teh warrant ranks for sham/mafia skillz. The corporal is a leader, and is on the fast track to sergeant for leadership skillz and the ability to see shit that doesn't need done in order to put the worthless shamtastic specialist's ass to work because he knows that shamming bastard owes him something from previous days of fucking off.

Posted by: BifBewalski - at May 12, 2021 03:49 PM (VcFUs)

369 So, the harder position to play... shortstop, or center field?
Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:47 PM (0KKyI)

Is this a serious question? You almost have to be born a shortstop.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 12, 2021 03:50 PM (yQpMk)

370 "Discharged all of them with RE-4 and 1.0 evals.

Additionally I had to set up another unit after the War for returning people to continue on active duty because they liked it. About the same numbers for both units.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 12, 2021 03:41 PM (JUOKG)"

Which is the way to do it. Even though I would prefer a OTH or DD that hung around their necks for the rest of their lives. Not that am RE-4 wouldn't do that.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2021 03:50 PM (CyB2R)

371 boys at every age can out throw girls, even if the same age girl has gone thru puberty and the boy has not

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 12, 2021 03:50 PM (bTQ72)

372 341 radar,
The simple formal answer is Corporals are non-coms in line for command, Specs aren't. Same difference in warrant officers and line officers.

In reality, it gets complicated in the field.

Posted by: whig at May 12, 2021 03:50 PM (pO7gM)

373 I didn't suggest being lesbians would give them a physical advantage. I used an example of a woman who know who is very fit and yes, she probably could pass the test..

Was she hot?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 12, 2021 03:50 PM (yQpMk)

374 a story about how romance novels are turning to non-traditional lead characters -- Abrams said she started writing because "there were no romance books with characters who look like me."

Well, there aren't any with male characters who are 48, bald with a potbelly, broke, and spend their evenings drinking beer and belching in front of the TV, either.

Posted by: azjaeger at May 12, 2021 03:50 PM (3/XaG)

375 Do they still teach new recruits how to dig a fighting position or did they decide cover and concealment was a tool of the patriarchy and got rid of it?

Posted by: Azathoth at May 12, 2021 03:50 PM (VNgpN)

376 Posted by: JROD at May 12, 2021 03:40 PM (0jZnq)

Because after all, lesbians ARE women and evidently some women-lesbians and straight-do pass the test.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2021 03:51 PM (k39e/)

377 depending the the unit and MOS, a corporal can be a pretty rare rank in the Army. We didn't have many corporals in the infantry as I recall. We did encounter corporals at basic and AIT, they were guys with college degrees, who joined up, and were waiting for OCS as I recall. She could be like that, i don't doubt that possibility.
Posted by: Quint at May 12, 2021 03:42 PM (x/IHv)

Generally a corporal is a Specialist-4 who is serving in a sergeant's position but hasn't been promoted to the rank (usually because they don't have enough time in service), so they're pretty rare.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 12, 2021 03:51 PM (BMmaB)

378 369 So, the harder position to play... shortstop, or center field?
Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:47 PM (0KKyI)

Is this a serious question? You almost have to be born a shortstop.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 12, 2021 03:50 PM (yQpMk)

I was thinking in terms of quickness vs speed.. agree that quickness is a gift/ reaction time..

Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:51 PM (0KKyI)

379 Real war is horror beyond imagination, misery beyond description, suffering beyond human limits. How many of the new woke army are going to be able to stand up to that?

Posted by: Xipe Totec at May 12, 2021 03:51 PM (o2MD2)

380 durring Gulf War 1, something like 70% of all lady sailors got preggers while on ship

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 12, 2021 03:51 PM (bTQ72)

381 360 Got out in 2016 after 24 years of service. Don't miss it one bit. Kinda wish I left sooner
Posted by: DocCrewp at May 12, 2021 03:48 PM (boxab)

I still miss my platoon of radar/launcher mechanics, damned near 30 years later.

Posted by: BifBewalski - at May 12, 2021 03:52 PM (VcFUs)

382 >>> Old PT test had a hand grenade throw in it. Had to throw from the kneeling and prone position. Target had concentric scoring rings around a bulls eye in the middle.
Posted by: Javems at May 12, 2021 03:46 PM (8SSHh)

I worked with an old Russian guy and one day he was talking about how they used to have olympic trials there involving grenade throwing competitions. I asked him how long ago and he replied in the 40s. I said yeah the USA was in that too it was called World War II.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 12, 2021 03:52 PM (Fq1gB)

383 379 Real war is horror beyond imagination, misery beyond description, suffering beyond human limits. How many of the new woke army are going to be able to stand up to that?
Posted by: Xipe Totec at May 12, 2021 03:51 PM (o2MD2)

See: WWI...

Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:52 PM (0KKyI)

384
BREAKING: Pres. Biden on Colonial Pipeline shutdown: "I think you're going to hear some good news in the next 24 hours."

Pete Buttigieg to be the pumping czar.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 12, 2021 03:52 PM (63Dwl)

385 nood

colbert

Posted by: banana Dream at May 12, 2021 03:52 PM (Fq1gB)

386 311 "Try online dating," they said. "It's really fun," they said. "There's plenty of fish in the sea, you just have to cast out your net," they said.

https://is.gd/9vY3sd
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 12, 2021 03:40 PM (Jsjd7)

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There lying.

Posted by: MAGA (stop the steal link in this nic) at May 12, 2021 03:52 PM (eMEkg)

387 372 341 radar,
The simple formal answer is Corporals are non-coms in line for command, Specs aren't. Same difference in warrant officers and line officers.

In reality, it gets complicated in the field.
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2021 03:50 PM (pO7gM)

I get that much. What I didn't get was why the Army wanted E-4s to not be NCOs.

Posted by: radar at May 12, 2021 03:52 PM (3Zp/H)

388 @338 Ben Had-Ben Had is a female!!! I mean I know there's ettes here but but some aren't as obvious. I guess I need to pay more attention.

Posted by: JROD at May 12, 2021 03:52 PM (0jZnq)

389 boys at every age can out throw girls, even if the same age girl has gone thru puberty and the boy has not
Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 12, 2021 03:50 PM (bTQ72)

Not at age 6, 7, 9. Its the ramp up to puberty that makes the huge difference. My daughter played LL on boys teams and could outrhow and outhit many of them until about age 11; then even the smaller ones started to overtake her.

Posted by: LASue at May 12, 2021 03:52 PM (Ed8Zd)

390 She could be like that, i don't doubt that possibility.
Posted by: Quint at May 12, 2021 03:42 PM

Possible, but unlikely, IMO. I've run across plenty of enlisted with degrees, but usually they've earned them while in uniform, not prior to enlisting. And if she's waiting for OCS, she's on a detail at Benning, not in a Patriot battery. I've only known one guy that enlisted for active duty, vice joining for an officer program, after earning a degree (in this case, from Dartmouth). He admitted to us that he was a dumbass when he enlisted and didn't know the difference between officer and enlisted ("and the recruiter didn't tell me"). He joined because he wanted to run for office one day and wanted to be able to claim military service. To his credit, he served a six-year enlistment and turned out OCS ("No way I'd call that bunch of idiots my colleagues") and got out as an E-6. Needless to say, his perspective of the military was greatly changed.

Posted by: Bert G at May 12, 2021 03:53 PM (sAW0o)

391 I never did figure out why the there are two
different E-4s in the army, and what the difference was between
corporals and specialists.

Posted by: radar at May 12, 2021 03:44 PM (3Zp/H)

no expert here by a long shot. I was i 11b, the infantry. We didn't have corporals, you went from Specialist to buck Sergeant. The Marines who transferred were often corporals. We had some guy that used to serve in a Drill Sergeant unit in the reserves, he was a corporal because Drill Sergeants are almost always NCO's. A Corporal is an NCO why a Spec 4 is not. I am sure they do it different in other units and military specialties.

Posted by: Quint at May 12, 2021 03:53 PM (x/IHv)

392 Was she hot?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 12, 2021 03:50 PM (yQpMk)

I'm probably not the best person to judge whether women are hot-not being a lesbian or a male heterosexual, but yes, she's about 6 feet and could be a model-just not waifelike as some of them (models) are.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2021 03:53 PM (k39e/)

393 Well, there aren't any with male characters who are 48, bald with a potbelly, broke, and spend their evenings drinking beer and belching in front of the TV, either.

Closest I can remember seeing is As Good As It Gets with Jack Nicholson

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2021 03:53 PM (KZzsI)

394 BREAKING: Pres. Biden on Colonial Pipeline shutdown: "I think you're going to hear some good news in the next 24 hours."

He's putting Kamala in charge of it.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 12, 2021 03:53 PM (yQpMk)

395 Real war is horror beyond imagination, misery beyond description, suffering beyond human limits. How many of the new woke army are going to be able to stand up to that?/i]

And how evil is a society that subjects not just its boys but its girls to that?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2021 03:54 PM (KZzsI)

396 durring Gulf War 1, something like 70% of all lady sailors got preggers while on ship
Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 12, 2021 03:51 PM (bTQ72)

I was a medic in Germany at the time. When Desert Shield started up, the number of pregnant soldiers coming through the Battalion aid station went way up. Never bothered to calculate it, but I estimate close to half.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Confuzzled at May 12, 2021 03:54 PM (xPJvm)

397 Kamala knows a thing or two about laying pipe.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy not a DHS informant at May 12, 2021 03:54 PM (t7N41)

398 I get that much. What I didn't get was why the Army wanted E-4s to not be NCOs.
Posted by: radar at May 12, 2021 03:52 PM (3Zp/H)

A lot of them don't need to be, and you had a lot of guys who didn't want to be. Hence the old Spec ranks that went up to, IIRC, Spec-8. Some people are very good at their jobs, but don't have the leadership abilities.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 12, 2021 03:54 PM (jOcSX)

399 BREAKING: Pres. Biden on Colonial Pipeline shutdown: "I think you're going to hear some good news in the next 24 hours."

****

In other words the federal government probably paid off the ransomware guys.

I mean, after you've shipped a few pallets full of cash to the Iranians that's child's play.

Posted by: Azathoth at May 12, 2021 03:54 PM (VNgpN)

400 If this continues, our prospects in the next shooting war look bleak.
Posted by: kraken at May 12, 2021 03:32 PM

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Posted by: Barky & The Social Democrats at May 12, 2021 03:54 PM (DMUuz)

401 Well, there aren't any with male characters who are 48, bald with a potbelly, broke, and spend their evenings drinking beer and belching in front of the TV, either.
Posted by: azjaeger at May 12, 2021 03:50 PM (3/XaG)

Sounds like you need to read some Charles Bukowski.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 12, 2021 03:54 PM (2JVJo)

402 I've only known one guy that enlisted for active duty, vice joining for an officer program, after earning a degree...

Let me amend that: "...that wasn't a useless mushbrain with a sheepskin."

Posted by: Bert G at May 12, 2021 03:55 PM (sAW0o)

403 341 I never did figure out why the there are two different E-4s in the army, and what the difference was between corporals and specialists.
Posted by: radar at May 12, 2021 03:44 PM

The Army has several ranks like that. Typically, a corporal is in a leadership position over people (first NCO rank) while a specialist is not. Just like a master sergeant (E

might lead a staff section or something, but a first sergeant (also E

is the NCO leader for a unit (company)

Posted by: Grimmy at May 12, 2021 03:55 PM (NX9bY)

404 I think the IDF has a better since of placement for men and women. Also defending a small area has different parameters than being an aggressive in the sandbox.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 12, 2021 03:55 PM (MwlPL)

405 377 AF used to have buck sergeants at E-4 that had passed a non-com test and regular senior airmen at E-4. Pay though was the same. Phased it out in the 90's. AF at one time had warrant officers which they did away during the 70's with the last one retiring in the 80s and early 90's from what I remember depending on active duty v. guard/reserve.

Posted by: whig at May 12, 2021 03:56 PM (pO7gM)

406 In WWI, the US had 117K deaths.
In the WoT we had...5k? With a population several times larger. And the FNM consider that to be a price beyond what any war could be worth.
In terms of a real war with China or Russia we would likely lose more military personal in a week then in all of the WoT.
So...no. We can't win a real war anymore.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 12, 2021 03:56 PM (DpkTQ)

407 I will recommend again that article from The Tablet named "Everything is Broken". URL is in the nic.

I got out of the USAF in '97. It was sliding downhill then. I'm not surprised its where it is. I work at the Pentagon now and it's full of Leftist's. The tailspin of Western Civilization will only get worse.

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 12, 2021 03:56 PM (7RazL)

408 With the military being the way it is now, what's the best remaining outlet for a young male looking for adventure?

If those French generals end up taking over, the Foreign Legion looks pretty intriguing.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at May 12, 2021 03:46 PM (LZ7Gl)

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Really sad that French generals have more guts than American. On the other hand, that takeover of the armed forces by the left has already happened and results like these are the outcome, not the cause.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at May 12, 2021 03:56 PM (RMGKK)

409 It's fitting: an unfit, fake & failing army for an unfit, fake & failing country. Welcome to the glorious 21st Century.

Posted by: Eat The Eloi at May 12, 2021 03:56 PM (V3EEC)

410
And how evil is a society that subjects not just its boys but its girls to that?
For the record, we are just getting started.

Posted by: Biden Junta at May 12, 2021 03:57 PM (DpkTQ)

411 "A lot of them don't need to be, and you had a lot of guys who didn't want to be. Hence the old Spec ranks that went up to, IIRC, Spec-8. Some people are very good at their jobs, but don't have the leadership abilities.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 12, 2021 03:54 PM (jOcSX)"

Eh. 3rd ID had some 11b trigger pullers who ended up as spec 4's for no good reason. It didn't always make sense.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2021 03:57 PM (CyB2R)

412 Possible, but unlikely, IMO. I've run across plenty of enlisted with
degrees, but usually they've earned them while in uniform, not prior to
enlisting. And if she's waiting for OCS, she's on a detail at Benning,
not in a Patriot battery.

I forgot about the Patriot battery part. Again, this is all conjecture, I doubt she is making up here rank. I have stated three different types of Corporals I met in my limited service. The guys at Benning waiting for an OCS slot, former drill sergeant unit guys that were low on the totem pole, and Marine's who changed to the NG. Those are the three I saw but I don't claim those to be the only ones out there. Of course there are Corporals in many other units with different structures.

Posted by: Quint at May 12, 2021 03:57 PM (x/IHv)

413 >>>
And how evil is a society that subjects not just its boys but its girls to that?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 12, 2021 03:54 PM (KZzsI)
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That's the nut. The left has been actively devaluing womanhood since the sixties.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 12, 2021 03:58 PM (MwlPL)

414 Anyone remember the Peanuts' baseball positions? I think Charlie was pitcher, Snoopy was shortstop. Was Linus the catcher?

I think Lucy was always shouting stuff from the outfield.

Posted by: spindrift at May 12, 2021 03:58 PM (h5TKJ)

415 Apparently The Tablet removed that article. Bummer. It was written a few months ago.

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 12, 2021 03:58 PM (7RazL)

416 Real war is horror beyond imagination, misery beyond description, suffering beyond human limits. How many of the new woke army are going to be able to stand up to that?
Posted by: Xipe Totec at May 12, 2021 03:51 PM (o2MD2)

T.R. Fehrenbach has an answer. It's a 20-30 minute read if you have the time. He served in Korea and he was pissed.

https://tinyurl.com/jtppj5mk

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 12, 2021 03:58 PM (BMmaB)

417 This was willowed: Stacey Abrams is coming out with a thriller, under her real name. She sez all her strong, female characters are based on her.

Now, ponder Tank Abrams as herself in her romance novels.
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"I sat on his face, and at first, he was quite animated.
Then , suddenly, he stopped....
Apparently, he couldn't breathe.
But at least he died doing something that he loved."

Posted by: JT at May 12, 2021 03:58 PM (arJlL)

418 More on the French military, they went from joke to grudging respect and the British, Canadian and US forces went from rock to woke to joke.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at May 12, 2021 03:59 PM (RMGKK)

419 @348 They have no answer how Hailie Deegan and Gracie Trotter won nascar races beating the good old boys. Lydia Litvak shot down 13 german aircraft in world war II.

Posted by: exodus 21:22-25 at May 12, 2021 03:59 PM (HcSOJ)

420 380 durring Gulf War 1, something like 70% of all lady sailors got preggers while on ship
Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 12, 2021 03:51 PM (bTQ72)

No, I was over there onboard a ship and I don't remember any getting preggo. It's before you go that it happens.

Posted by: clutch at May 12, 2021 03:59 PM (9UmRs)

421 Ive seen plenty of NCO's with degrees who really didn't want to join the O ranks.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2021 03:59 PM (CyB2R)

422 284 Colonial Pipeline announces they are looking to hire a Cyber Security Manager

Better late than never!
i wonder if those pakistani fellows who worked for pelosi are busy.

Posted by: Comrade Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at May 12, 2021 04:00 PM (v3pYe)

423 Ive seen plenty of NCO's with degrees who really didn't want to join the O ranks.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2021 03:59 PM (CyB2R)

Bingo, I was one of them.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at May 12, 2021 04:01 PM (DjiZK)

424 I'm just wondering if the gas pipeline ransom is done by a friendly group to illustrate what will happen if Biden policies are put into action.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at May 12, 2021 04:01 PM (RMGKK)

425 A lot of them don't need to be, and you had a lot of guys who didn't want to be. Hence the old Spec ranks that went up to, IIRC, Spec-8. Some people are very good at their jobs, but don't have the leadership abilities.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 12, 2021 03:54 PM (jOcSX)

That was one of the great things about the Brits. A bloke could be a machine gunner for 20 years and not get promoted if he didn't want to.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 12, 2021 04:01 PM (BMmaB)

426 "No way I'd call that bunch of idiots my
colleagues") and got out as an E-6. Needless to say, his perspective of
the military was greatly changed.

Posted by: Bert G at May 12, 2021 03:53 PM (sAW0o)

you see some stuff in the military if you are around it long enough. I was a military brat so I have seen my share. One guy was a Gunnery Sergeant. He served probably 20 years as an NCO. He ended up a Captain but we always called him "Gunny" to us, it was his name.

I also knew a guy that was a Marine grunt in Korea. But he was an officer and aviator in Vietnam. The last guy I will mention was a freaking crazy mean Drill Sergeant at my training unit. I went back there the next year for AIT, and he was a Captain and Chaplain.

Posted by: Quint at May 12, 2021 04:02 PM (x/IHv)

427 BREAKING: Pres. Biden on Colonial Pipeline shutdown: "I think you're going to hear some good news in the next 24 hours."

The NSA has accidentally intercepted some backups and is beginning to restore them

Posted by: Diesel Jones at May 12, 2021 04:02 PM (Vu7A1)

428 Again, this is all conjecture, I doubt she is making up here rank.
Posted by: Quint at May 12, 2021 03:57 PM

I don't think she would make up her rank. I think USAREC would script her to say she's a Corporal when she's listed as a SPC at Osan. According to my, uh, source. Which leads me to question the veracity of the rest of the story.

Posted by: Bert G at May 12, 2021 04:02 PM (sAW0o)

429 I got out in 2010 after 22 years. The Navy was no longer fun, and rank no longer hath any real privileges. I just couldn't see going back to sea.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at May 12, 2021 04:02 PM (fpng3)

430 Ive seen plenty of NCO's with degrees who really didn't want to join the O ranks.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2021 03:59 PM (CyB2R)

Bingo, I was one of them.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at May 12, 2021 04:01 PM (DjiZK)

I had a platoon sergeant once who had a bachelor's degree and was saving his GI Bill to go to law school after retirement.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 12, 2021 04:02 PM (BMmaB)

431 Eh. 3rd ID had some 11b trigger pullers who ended up as spec 4's for no good reason. It didn't always make sense.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2021 03:57 PM (CyB2R)

As a young LT a 1SG explained it as E-4s in combat arms, especially infantry, were corporals if they were in a leadership role. So the Specialist who gets assigned as a team leader would get made a corporal. It doesn't happen much outside combat arms.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 12, 2021 04:02 PM (jOcSX)

432 Isn't the mad dog a homosexual? What I'm saying is the globalhomo has already taken control of the army

Posted by: T-Rex at May 12, 2021 04:03 PM (bhPL1)

433 Yeah, but I saw Demi Moore in G.I. Jane and she was a good soldier.

Posted by: LGoPs at May 12, 2021 04:03 PM (FIT8F)

434 What are these women going to do when the black GIs talk while holding their junk?

Posted by: torabora at May 12, 2021 04:04 PM (Y274z)

435 (So tired of the cliched "[insert field or product here] doesn't have someone who looks like me", e.g. do you need scientists to look like you in order to be interested in science? )
+++

Oh, c'mon now. It's different with romance novels. Nobody fantasizes about being a scientist (okay, some people do, but they're generally a lot smarter than Tank Abrams).

She's saying that there were no romance novels where the protagonist was a gigantically fat and flabby, middle-aged black woman with a nasty attitude and a habit of running her mouth, who was swept off her feet by a strong, virile, good looking man who couldn't wait to have sex with her.

And she's probably right that there were no such books. For all the obvious reasons.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at May 12, 2021 04:04 PM (k4dH2)

436 No, I was over there onboard a ship and I don't remember any getting preggo. It's before you go that it happens.

Posted by: clutch at May 12, 2021 03:59 PM (9UmRs)

I had one of my sailors flat out say to my face she would get pregnant before going on deployment again. She didn't last long.

BTW, her older sister starred in the last two seasons of Baywatch and was a Playboy centerfold.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at May 12, 2021 04:04 PM (fpng3)

437 I met a couple E-5s while in who had been officers but resigned their commissions. One because he was infantry, got to major, and realized that the rest of his career would be spent behind a desk on staff. The other had been a major and gotten a divorce, and didn't want to give his wife a cent more than he had to.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 12, 2021 04:05 PM (jOcSX)

438 Ive seen plenty of NCO's with degrees who really didn't want to join the O ranks.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 12, 2021 03:59 PM

I have, too. Just not many that earned their degree prior to enlisting active duty. Lots of them in the reserves/NG, though.

Posted by: Bert G at May 12, 2021 04:05 PM (sAW0o)

439 They have no answer how Hailie Deegan and Gracie Trotter won nascar races beating the good old boys.

Who?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 12, 2021 04:05 PM (yQpMk)

440 387, The rationale when my father was an officer was that Army would have career paths for individuals to conserve training where they would train and become a specialist and have a career path in that specialty. Those wanting to become non-coms had a different path. Same issue as warrant officers, the idea was that a chopper pilot could get promotions and pay increases and stay a chopper pilot and avoid the line officer well rounded career path. Same as the finance folks, and so on.

Line officers came and went as they went up the ladder or left the service, the warrant officers and the non-coms with senior specialists were the glue that held units together.

Posted by: whig at May 12, 2021 04:06 PM (pO7gM)

441 you see some stuff in the military if you are around it long enough. I was a military brat so I have seen my share. One guy was a Gunnery Sergeant. He served probably 20 years as an NCO. He ended up a Captain but we always called him "Gunny" to us, it was his name.

I also knew a guy that was a Marine grunt in Korea. But he was an officer and aviator in Vietnam. The last guy I will mention was a freaking crazy mean Drill Sergeant at my training unit. I went back there the next year for AIT, and he was a Captain and Chaplain.
Posted by: Quint at May 12, 2021 04:02 PM (x/IHv)

At one time the Army had a program where NCO's could get "hip pocket" Reserve commissions and retire at their Reserve rank, although they never actually held it on active duty. Post-Vietnam in the RIF, there were quite a few officers who became NCO's, but retired at their highest rank held. Finally, I served with two guys who were prior service enlisted soldiers, passed over for promotion to major, and were allowed to enlist to make 20 years, then retired at the highest rank held. So there are a lot of variations out there.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 12, 2021 04:06 PM (BMmaB)

442 I had a platoon sergeant once who had a bachelor's degree and was saving his GI Bill to go to law school after retirement.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 12, 2021 04:02 PM (BMmaB)

it is definitely not rare depending on the time of service. Even in the 80s the Army really started pushing further education. Particularly in times when war demands are low, they can and do raise requirement standards. I recall of a lot of high ranking NCO's certainly ended up with the equivalent of an associates easily and likely a four year degree. and some of those guys got so much GI bill money it was incredible. Never enough though, they can never do enough.

Posted by: Quint at May 12, 2021 04:07 PM (x/IHv)

443 @439 winning race car drivers who beat men!

Posted by: exodus 21:22-25 at May 12, 2021 04:07 PM (HcSOJ)

444 I had a platoon sergeant once who had a bachelor's degree and was saving his GI Bill to go to law school after retirement.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 12, 2021 04:02 PM (BMmaB)

Good friend of mine started as a PFC in the Army Reserve, got his commission as a butter bar and went active. He was just passed up for colonel and is currently at the Pentagon. He said fuck it I'm retiring after 26 years. He's the type the Biden administration wants to purge. He thinks that's why he got passed up for colonel.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at May 12, 2021 04:08 PM (DjiZK)

445 Line officers came and went as they went up the ladder or left the service, the warrant officers and the non-coms with senior specialists were the glue that held units together.
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2021 04:06 PM (pO7gM)

h/t Bif Bewalski, SP4's are the glue. They know how to get things done. Then above that, staff sergeants and first lieutenants run the Army. Everybody else above them just manages.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 12, 2021 04:08 PM (BMmaB)

446 Nood

Posted by: Bert G at May 12, 2021 04:09 PM (sAW0o)

447 I met a couple E-5s while in who had been officers but resigned their commissions. One because he was infantry, got to major, and realized that the rest of his career would be spent behind a desk on staff. The other had been a major and gotten a divorce, and didn't want to give his wife a cent more than he had to.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 12, 2021 04:05 PM (jOcSX)

I actually met in a National Guard unit an E-6 who had been the brigade commander, a Colonel. His time in command was up, there was no place in the Guar for him to go, and he didn't want to retire, so he enlisted until he had to retire due to age.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 12, 2021 04:11 PM (BMmaB)

448 I actually met in a National Guard unit an E-6 who
had been the brigade commander, a Colonel. His time in command was up,
there was no place in the Guar for him to go, and he didn't want to
retire, so he enlisted until he had to retire due to age.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 12, 2021 04:11 PM (BMmaB)
wow, that is something there. Pretty cool though.

Posted by: Quint at May 12, 2021 04:14 PM (x/IHv)

449 I actually met in a National Guard unit an E-6 who
had been the brigade commander, a Colonel. His time in command was up,
there was no place in the Guar for him to go, and he didn't want to
retire, so he enlisted until he had to retire due to age.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 12, 2021 04:11 PM (BMmaB)

Cool. Only question is why after being a full bull did he revert to E-6 rather than higher, like E-8 First Sergeant type or even Sergeant Major? Not questioning the story, just never did understand how the Guard worked from a personnel/manning position.

Posted by: LGoPs at May 12, 2021 04:18 PM (FIT8F)

450 Cool. Only question is why after being a full bull did he revert to E-6 rather than higher, like E-8 First Sergeant type or even Sergeant Major? Not questioning the story, just never did understand how the Guard worked from a personnel/manning position.

Posted by: LGoPs at May 12, 2021 04:18 PM (FIT8F)

You have to be E-5 to get commissioned. Resign your commission and you revert to E-5. When I was in basic and preparing to go to OCS, all the OCS bound recruits got letters the last week telling us we were promoted.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 12, 2021 04:21 PM (jOcSX)

451 Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 12, 2021 04:21 PM (jOcSX)

Got it, thanks.

Posted by: LGoPs at May 12, 2021 04:24 PM (FIT8F)

452 winning race car drivers who beat men!
Posted by: exodus 21:22-25 at May 12, 2021 04:07 PM (HcSOJ)

I am totally missing whatever point you are desperate to make.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 12, 2021 04:26 PM (yQpMk)

453 I retired from the Navy in 2010. No way I would serve today or recommend anybody else to join.

Posted by: butch at May 12, 2021 04:40 PM (cHvOo)

454 The only good news is that this new Army, when aimed at its likley target (non-woke deplorable) may not do so well.

Posted by: butch at May 12, 2021 04:42 PM (cHvOo)

455 Cool. Only question is why after being a full bull
did he revert to E-6 rather than higher, like E-8 First Sergeant type or
even Sergeant Major? Not questioning the story, just never did
understand how the Guard worked from a personnel/manning position.

Posted by: LGoPs at May 12, 2021 04:18 PM (FIT8F)

Way willowed here, but my guess is that that was an E-6 position was open. In the Reserve and Guard you can refuse a promotion if you want to keep your current job, because if there's not a place for you in the unit you have to leave.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 12, 2021 08:42 PM (BMmaB)

456 So, when do they change the test?

Posted by: Bob at May 13, 2021 08:43 AM (pft3j)

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