Fauci Dances on the Line of a Perjury Charge As He Parses and Equivocates as to Whether the US Funded Gain-of-Function Research on Bat Viruses at the Wuhan Lab

"Gain-of-function" is the deliberately anodyne jargon for giving a virus a potent new ability it didn't have -- like altering the protein spikes of a bat virus so that it can infect humans.

Which is precisely what Dr. Shi "The Bat Lady" was doing at the laughably-sloppy Wuhan Institute of Virology.

And the US government was funding the Wuhan Institute of Virology indirectly, by funding a group called "EcoHealth Alliance," which in turn sent part of the money it got from the US government to Wuhan.

A bit of reading will help you spot Fauci's evasions -- and lies.

Michael Tracy writes of the powerful case that The Bat Lady made Covid-19 in her lab and let it escape.

And he writes of the media's refusal to correct its prior claims that the lab-leak hypothesis was a "conspiracy theory" that was "debunked" within days of the covid outbreak making headlnes.

These declarations [that the lab-leak hypothesis is "debunked"] look dopier than ever after a new article was published this week by the journalist Nicholas Wade, who for many years was a science correspondent for the New York Times. At the very least, Wade demonstrates that the "lab-leak" theory ought not to be discounted. But he also goes much further, showing that the theory is in fact highly plausible. The article was first self-published on Medium, then later reproduced by the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists. While long, it's worth reading in full even if (like me) you are effectively illiterate in the technical scientific details.
In summary, here’s what one might call a "kicker" paragraph:

It's documented that researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology were doing gain-of-function experiments designed to make coronaviruses infect human cells and humanized mice.

"Humanized mice" are genetically modified mice whose cells have human-like walls, which permits them to be used as test subjects to see if viruses will affect humans.

This is exactly the kind of experiment from which a SARS2-like virus could have emerged. The researchers were not vaccinated against the viruses under study, and they were working in the minimal safety conditions of a BSL2 laboratory. So escape of a virus would not be at all surprising.

Biosafety Level 2 is the same level of bio-security required in your local dentist office. It requires a facemask, some gloves, and signage indicating that this is a BSL2 area.

Obviously, viruses can easily escape this "security" regime.

And they frequently do.

In all of China, the pandemic broke out on the doorstep of the Wuhan institute. The virus was already well adapted to humans, as expected for a virus grown in humanized mice. It possessed an unusual enhancement, a furin cleavage site, which is not possessed by any other known SARS-related beta-coronavirus, and this site included a double arginine codon also unknown among beta-coronaviruses. What more evidence could you want, aside from the presently unobtainable lab records documenting SARS2's creation?

I noted that covid-19 had a furin cleavage site just as you'd expect to see in an engineered virus, but I forgot to include the critical detail that this sort of feature is rare and is not found in any other SARS-related coronaviruses.

Wade also quotes the eminent virologist David Baltimore, the former president of CalTech and discoverer of an enzyme used in all PCR-based COVID tests, as saying:
"When I first saw the furin cleavage site in the viral sequence, with its arginine codons, I said to my wife it was the smoking gun for the origin of the virus... These features make a powerful challenge to the idea of a natural origin for SARS2."
So there you have one of the most esteemed virologists in the world stating that the current body of evidence poses a "powerful challenge" to the theory that the SARS-CoV-2 virus originated by jumping naturally from wildlife to humans, which is the theory that has been propagated ubiquitously across the media for the past 15 months. And this after we'd all been confidently told by journalists at major national outlets that an alternative hypothesis -- that it originated by leakage at a lab -- was no more than a "conspiracy theory," and had been authoritatively "debunked."

Tracey notes that the Washington Post was among the most aggressive outlets proclaiming that the lab-leak theory was "debunked" -- but resorted to selectively quoting an expert who actually supported the possibility of a lab-leak as the source of covid by simply refusing to report that portion of his remarks:

This is interesting because one of the expert sources quoted in the Washington Post article as purportedly having "debunked" the lab-leak theory, molecular biologist Richard Ebright of Rutgers University, is also quoted in Wade's new article giving strong credence to the theory. Moreover, Ebright affirmed in a declaration to me his view that the lab-leak theory has actually been the strongest hypothesis about the origin of COVID since... January 2020. A month before the Washington Post cited him as a preeminent "debunker" of the theory.

Ebright did say that the genomic analysis did not support the conclusion of an artificially engineered virus -- which the Washington Post reported.

But he also said that the possibility of a lab leak was a very real possibility -- which the Washington Post refused to report.

He wrote to Tracey, saying:

I was surprised that the February 17, 2020 article in WaPo quoted only my comments on the genome sequence and not my comments on the lab-accident hypothesis.

I think this guy means that the virus might have been natural, but it escaped from the lab it where was being experimented on. I'm not sure.

The Washington Post sure was determined to, um, "simplify" his testimony to conform to the narrative they chose (with no scientific expertise of their own) as the obviously-correct one.

Tracey writes:

I personally don't have any vested interest in believing the lab-leak theory; if anything, confirmation of the theory as true would undoubtedly accelerate an already-ramping-up New Cold War conflict between the US and China, which I generally oppose for a variety of reasons. But I'm primarily interested simply in knowing whether the theory is true, whatever implications this might have for my other political and moral commitments. Clearly, though, much of the rest of the media doesn't operate on the same epistemic principle.
A number of factors likely contributed to these journalists proclaiming hard-and-fast certainty about this issue, despite having no grounds for such certainty. Many likely thought they were heroically combating anti-Asian xenophobia by dismissing a theory that could’ve assigned some measure of culpability to Chinese state authorities for the origination and spread of the virus, although it's unclear why this should have implicated individual Chinese-Americans. Either way, lying or misrepresenting stuff in the name of combating xenophobia can't be justified journalistically, and is liable to backfire anyway.
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But the most obnoxious aspect is the journalists' utterly unfounded projection of total and complete certainty -- as if they’re infallible purveyors of sacred knowledge when, in reality, they're just engaging in the same off-the-cuff speculation as anybody else. And then their refusal to admit error, thus leaving the "misinformation" they produced splashed across the internet. Anyone who in February 2020 acted like they had all the answers about the origins of a catastrophic new virus was either too haughty or stupid to recognize how nonsensically they were behaving. But that’s the debased media landscape we're all stuck with, alas.

One thing that makes me scream to myself is the media's smug insistence that the threat of "disinformation" is too grave to allow them to report in a balanced way about both sides of a story, and it's their job -- and their particular expertise -- to simply decide what the truth is.

How the hell can they decide what the truth is? They are the least-educated of anyone in the educated classes in America. Their only post-graduate schooling is brief and is not about any subject matter apart from information gathering, organizing, and writing.

Lester Holt doesn't know a goddamned thing about a goddamned thing -- but he's now pronouncing that the stakes are too high to report both sides of an issue, and so the semi-educated Communications Majors and other dolts working in the media will now resolve all questions regarding history, economics, religion, philosophy, and science.

How's that workin' out for you so far, Geniuses?

Have you really studied up on furin cleavage sites?

Tracey writes further of his attempt to draw out any comment, correction, or retraction from the "journalists" who so-confidently used their Scientific Expertise (granted by the University of the State of Delusion) to dismiss any possibility of a lab leak.

None of the "journalists" he asked questions of would offer any response.

Steven Miller/Redsteeze writes a good article about the case for Fauci's complicity in covid's creation:

There are now more connections emerging from the Wuhan Institute that should be explored further. These connections involve the United States government, the National Institutes of Health and Dr Anthony Fauci -- and he should have to explain them before Congress.

These questions could of course pose complications to the mainstream media storyline that Fauci is a great hero, a man lionized, even fetishized by the political left for being the antithesis to then-president Donald Trump. If the NIH and Anthony Fauci played any role in financing or assisting the Wuhan Institute, including outsourcing the study of BSL-4 novel coronaviruses, the good doctor should have to answer for it.
To boil things down: the United States was outsourcing the study of novel coronaviruses to a group called EcoHealth Alliance, a group which according to NPR was doing the bulk of collection of coronavirus samples from bats and transferring those samples and research to the Wuhan Institute.
The original grant money provided to EcoHealth was $3.7 million, $76,000 of which was slated for the Wuhan Institute. This funding was approved with the backing of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, the agency that Anthony Fauci heads, according to Newsweek.
That contract was canceled in April 2020. Those grants were approved by the National Institute of Health. According to a blockbuster piece in New York magazine, one of the first outlets to take the lab leak hypothesis seriously, EcoHealth Alliance 'has channeled money from the National Institutes of Health to Shi Zhengli's laboratory in Wuhan, allowing the lab to carry on recombinant research into diseases of bats and humans'.

Dr. Shi is Chinese, but I still think it's worth noting that "shi" in Japanese means "Death," so this is Doctor Death.

Dr Shi Zhengli is a notable expert in bat coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute. She had been studying the effects of bat viruses on humans when 'in 2012, six men set to work shoveling bat guano were sickened by a severe lung disease, three of them fatally. Shi’s team took the samples back to Wuhan and analyzed whatever fragments of bat virus she could find. In some cases, when she found a sequence that seemed particularly significant, she experimented with it in order to understand how it might potentially infect humans. Some of her work was funded by the National Institutes of Health and some of it by the US Defense Threat Reduction Agency of the Department of Defense via Peter Daszak's EcoHealth Alliance.'
Peter Dasazk of EcoHealth Alliance gave an interview to the Bulletin in December 2019, shortly before the first reports of the COVID-19 outbreak where he ‘talked in glowing terms of how researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology had been reprogramming the spike protein and generating chimeric coronaviruses capable of infecting humanized mice'.
Right now, all of this is just circumstantial evidence, largely due to the CCP blocking any meaningful investigation of the Institute. But the circumstantial evidence is piling up.

Below is video of Rand Paul asking Fauci very fair questions -- and Fauci answering with equivocations, quibbling, and, frankly, lies.

Note the following sorts of parsing Fauci engages in:

1. Equivocating about whether the US is currently funding gain-of-function research as opposed to whether it did during the period when covid was created -- Trump ended all funding in April 2020. But we funded this kind of Frankenstein-virus creation before that.

2. Claiming the US didn't fund the Wuhan Institute of Virology, when he knows damn well that the US funded the EcoHealth Alliance, which itself diverted money to the Wuhan Institute. When Rand Paul points out that a "sub-agency" gave money to Wuhan through a "sub-grant," Fauci shuts up. But he does insist on maintaining his Topline Lie that the US did not fund Wuhan.

3. Quibbling about whether the type of genetic experimentation the US funds is "gain-of-function" experimentation or some other type.

4. Quibbling about whether the US funds gain-of-function experimentation in Wuhan -- or merely in America, with Dr. Dasack performing experiments in the US while cooperating with his Wuhan partner Dr. Shi who herself is doing the same types of experiments --in a lab funded with US money!

Watch the below and evaluate for yourself if Fauci is being candid and trying to inform the American people, or if he's being deceptive and deliberately misleading them.

.@RandPaul: "Dr. Fauci, do you still support...NIH funding of the lab in Wuhan?"

Dr. Anthony Fauci: "Senator Paul, with all due respect, you are entirely and completely incorrect..."

Full video: https://t.co/ILTKlTSQdC pic.twitter.com/t0HxwsWXmm
— CSPAN (@cspan) May 11, 2021

Posted by: Ace at 04:10 PM

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1 "For the greater good."
-Hawaiian judge

Also, I'd just like to say that I do not understand the italican and centered jokes below.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 11, 2021 03:11 PM (LvTSG)

2 first.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 11, 2021 03:12 PM (JUOKG)

3 Fauci is protected, just like the FAB. He will never be brought to trial or even punished. He's on their side you see, and is above the law.

Posted by: shibumi at May 11, 2021 03:12 PM (b57kA)

4 To much content, didn't want to let me in

Posted by: Skip at May 11, 2021 03:12 PM (Cxk7w)

5 This is an amazing essay

Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 11, 2021 03:13 PM (f6JSa)

6 Coming soon from Fauci: "it all depends on what the definition of 'is' is."

Posted by: shibumi at May 11, 2021 03:13 PM (b57kA)

7 Italicans!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 11, 2021 03:13 PM (2JVJo)

8 I feel centered! Oh so centered!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 11, 2021 03:14 PM (CjFDo)

9 This guy belongs against the wall.

Posted by: garrett at May 11, 2021 03:14 PM (RfCqk)

10 How the hell can they decide what the truth is? They are the least-educated of anyone in the educated classes in America. Their only post-graduate schooling is brief and is not about any subject matter apart from information gathering, organizing, and writing.
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This just isn't true. Journalists are only the second-dumbest and second-least-accomplished of America's professional classes.

Education students win the prize.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 11, 2021 03:14 PM (Jsjd7)

11 damn.. as soon as I post that, he fixes the alignment..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 11, 2021 03:14 PM (CjFDo)

12 Clearly, though, much of the rest of the media doesn't operate on the same epistemic principle.
Translation: the media lie out their asses.

Posted by: pep at May 11, 2021 03:15 PM (v16oJ)

13 Fauci is protected, just like the FAB. He will never be brought to trial or even punished. He's on their side you see, and is above the law.
Posted by: shibumi at May 11, 2021 03:12 PM (b57kA)

This. Oh, perhaps Rand will ask him some slightly uncomfortable questions, but he'll never go in for the kill. And even if he did, our completely corrupt enemy of the people MFM would never report it.

That "Fauci" is not pronounced with the same disgust as "Mengele" shows you exactly where this rotten country subsists.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 11, 2021 03:15 PM (2JVJo)

14 Fauci Dances on the Line of a Perjury Charge As He Parses and Equivocates...
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Oh, not at all. He might be dancing on the line of perjury and actually committing it. But he certainly won't be facing any charges. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 11, 2021 03:15 PM (Jsjd7)

15 DIAF you repulsive little gnome.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at May 11, 2021 03:16 PM (wAnMi)

16 Dr. Fauci needn't worry. We have positions available.

Posted by: Unit 731 at May 11, 2021 03:16 PM (v16oJ)

17 We all know that Chinese Lung AIDS does not come from China in the first place. So what does it matter what was going on in the Wuhan lab?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:16 PM (lmikk)

18 16 Dr. Fauci needn't worry. We have positions available.
Posted by: Unit 731 at May 11, 2021 03:16 PM (v16oJ)

Esoteric reference these days.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:17 PM (lmikk)

19 The danger of unethical American leaders being without any principals other than utility leads to interactions like Rand Paul interviewing Fauci and finding out only that he sees no cost to lying.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 11, 2021 03:17 PM (f6JSa)

20 One thing that makes me scream to myself is the media's smug insistence that the threat of "disinformation" is too grave to allow them to report in a balanced way about both sides of a story, and it's their job -- and their particular expertise -- to simply decide what the truth is.
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Yes. The MIT paper Pixy linked this morning is a prime example of this from academia. A group of PhD candidates and undergraduates studied the amateur work on COVID data analysis and they draw all kinds of conclusions about the danger of high-quality - though heterodox - analysis. It's extremely dangerous for normal people to interpret data.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 11, 2021 03:17 PM (Jsjd7)

21 Keep hammering him, ace. The man is Satan in a white lab coat.

Posted by: creeper at May 11, 2021 03:18 PM (XxJt1)

22 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 11, 2021 03:18 PM (Zz0t1)

23 TLDR.

What movie is this about?

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 11, 2021 03:18 PM (Zz0t1)

24

Joe Biden Stole the 2020 election and the Covid19 virus cam from a lab in Wuhan

there, I said it,

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 11, 2021 03:18 PM (bTQ72)

25 So it's safe to assume it's a bioweapon and all actions after knowing it was released on the world were malicious at best and war at worst.

And Fauci was part of it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Important article about what's coming at May 11, 2021 03:19 PM (XTk1T)

26 Fauci is a willing tool of the left and an absolute slave to fame and Mammon. There is no way Flip Flop Fauci deserves 400,000 a year ($ 9.000 a week?!!) for this. It's not actually helping "real" Americans.

If it's not raining tomorrow, tomorrow's whiteboard sign will be "I am opposed to Fauci-ism. Stop the mask hysteria now."
(I was thinking about this since yesterday. This article didn't prompt it, but it's a good article.)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 11, 2021 03:19 PM (k39e/)

27 This guy belongs against the wall.
Posted by: garrett at May 11, 2021 03:14 PM (RfCqk)

With plenty of company.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 11, 2021 03:19 PM (lvgu0)

28 Hell is to good for these people, but I guess it will have to do.

Posted by: Bete at May 11, 2021 03:19 PM (Ojki1)

29 15 DIAF you repulsive little gnome.
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Dying of Ass Cancer really slowly might be a better solution.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 11, 2021 03:19 PM (/MaDp)

30 Deep Donk and their CCP masters wanted Trump gone and this was their hail mary, as Trump waded through every thing thrown at him, until the Plandemic, their scam worked beyond their wildest dreams.

I thought this madness would end once Trump was defeated, I was very wrong about that.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 11, 2021 03:19 PM (E0ukh)

31
This is treason.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 11, 2021 03:19 PM (pNxlR)

32 Leftists lie with the ease you breath

Fauci should be hung out to dry by this, but Leftists will protect him

Posted by: Skip at May 11, 2021 03:19 PM (Cxk7w)

33 And just like the Benghazi attack, as BOTH Political Parties have some blame in this... our Government will never let us know the truth.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 11, 2021 03:19 PM (oHd/0)

34 I would certainly put my money on Rand Paul vs. Whateverface Fauci.

Posted by: m at May 11, 2021 03:20 PM (ya129)

35 Fauci lies...

Water is wet...

Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 11, 2021 03:20 PM (5p7BC)

36 >>>25 So it's safe to assume it's a bioweapon and all actions after knowing it was released on the world were malicious at best and war at worst.

I don't think it was released as a bioweapon attack -- they wouldn't have released it just outside of the Wuhan Institute of Virology if it was meant as a biological sneak-attack.

They melted down Wuhan with the virus before they melted down the rest of the world.

Posted by: ace at May 11, 2021 03:20 PM (eOTGX)

37 This virus was man made, period end of story. How it got loose is a horse of a different color. Accident or intentional release it got out of a lab and the rest is history.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 11, 2021 03:20 PM (JUOKG)

38 This guy is like a voodoo priest out of a Louisiana bog that won't die by normal means because he was conjured out of a cauldron of pig entrails and guano.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 11, 2021 03:20 PM (2goRJ)

39 Not the hill, bishes.

Stay focused.

Posted by: GOPe at May 11, 2021 03:20 PM (SLXtE)

40 It's extremely dangerous for normal people to interpret data.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 11, 2021 03:17 PM (Jsjd7)

It is not about normal people interpreting the data, it is normal people voicing opinions on that data that conflict with what the established narrative is. If normal people looked at the data and said 'Hey, I agree with MIT' they would applaud such independent analysis. The more people who repeat the big lie, the more effective it is.

They WANT you to say there are Three Lights (whether that is what you see or not.) The rhetorical bending of the knee is what is important.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:20 PM (lmikk)

41 I equivocally deny that our good and wonderful Chinese friends had anything to do with the creation of this malarkey. It was obviously the design of an evil, white, cisgendered man, and we will find him and put him in jail soon!

Posted by: President NPC at May 11, 2021 03:21 PM (FPuSC)

42 23 TLDR.

What movie is this about?
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 11, 2021 03:18 PM (Zz0t1)

Soldier. I liked it, but think it could have been done better.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:21 PM (lmikk)

43 I personally don't have any vested interest in believing the lab-leak theory; if anything, confirmation of the theory as true would undoubtedly accelerate an already-ramping-up New Cold War conflict between the US and China, which I generally oppose for a variety of reasons.
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You know, statements like this make me think about the War. Back then, the country's university infrastructure was fully committed to the war effort. Massive technical advances in metals, atomics, computing, mathematics and more were pouring out of our universities and into combat.

And look at us now. This guy - who appears to be a veritable paragon of ethics and honesty by modern academic standards - is happier to keep relations with China warm and comfortable than with contributing to a discussion that might eventually hold them accountable.

It's disgusting and it makes me sick.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 11, 2021 03:21 PM (Jsjd7)

44 Theory Time: Was the attack on the East Coast Pipeline Computers allowed by Biden administration to help Green New Deal Supporters?

"We really need electric cars so this will not happen again in the future" garbage going to start flowing soon? Biden does not seem to concerned about this attack. No Intel about this happening? Just some Russians with nothing to do but troll the internet ?

Just Saying with these bastards running the Country right now...

Posted by: James at May 11, 2021 03:21 PM (rWWna)

45 "When I first saw the furin cleavage site in the viral sequence, with its arginine codons, I said to my wife it was the smoking gun for the origin of the virus... These features make a powerful challenge to the idea of a natural origin for SARS2."

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Didn't a bunch of Sxienztistz speak up immediately - way, WAY before they could've known - and say it wasn't a bioweapon and wasn't developed in a lab and also not China's fault in any way, and later it was discovered that they were all associated with the work and China and they hadn't disclosed it when they made their unified public statement?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Important article about what's coming at May 11, 2021 03:21 PM (XTk1T)

46 its an op

even if it "accidentally" leaked out of a shoddy lab

the narrative is scripted, uniform and utterly dogmatic and more fervently held as unopposable "truth" than the Incarnation.

Also. A MAJOR health care institution, put 9 billion dollars in a hedge fund a couple of months before the outbreak.

That has a whiff of foreknowledge potentially. Would be interested in seeing the financial statements of a lot of public companies and who hedged in advance of the outbreak. . . . Disney? Hotel Chains? Airlines?

Posted by: simplemind at May 11, 2021 03:22 PM (80e7z)

47 Joe Biden Stole the 2020 election
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To be fair, Biden didn't steal it. He has the brains of a cockroach.

People who wanted to install him as a figurehead stole it.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at May 11, 2021 03:22 PM (5p7BC)

48 What happens when you give sociopaths unlimited funding with no oversight and no accountability?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at May 11, 2021 03:22 PM (uSj2T)

49 'It's documented that researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology were doing gain-of-function experiments designed to make coronaviruses infect human cells'

Why? Seriously don't know. Why would this be something someone would do?

Posted by: grammie winger at May 11, 2021 03:22 PM (45fpk)

50 Fauci lies when he tells the truth and tells the truth when he is lying...

Any Questions you Nabobs ?

Posted by: James at May 11, 2021 03:22 PM (rWWna)

51 23 TLDR.

What movie is this about?
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Ashli Babbitt at May 11, 2021 03:18 PM (Zz0t1)

The Resident Evil prequel.

Posted by: Bete at May 11, 2021 03:22 PM (Ojki1)

52 -biden stopping vote counting in 6 states in 2020
-obama taking off all credit card safeguards to allow payments from anywhere on the planet
-Hillary private email server in a bathroom
-obama running guns to mexico
-fauchi spend USD in china for GOF virus shit
-Obama letting those guys die in bengahzi

and nobody is contacted by US law enforcement or even worried about like jail

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 11, 2021 03:22 PM (bTQ72)

53 They WANT you to say there are Three Lights (whether that is what you see or not.) The rhetorical bending of the knee is what is important.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:20 PM (lmikk)
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But that doesn't happen. Antisocial tendencies like "objective analysis" and "independent thought" get in the way. It's better to just suppress it and more effectively control anything left in the wild. That's essentially their conclusion.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 11, 2021 03:22 PM (Jsjd7)

54 First I find out Gates likes to get his dick wet and now Fauci is a fraud.

Not sure I can handle any more Revelations

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 11, 2021 03:23 PM (FZYNt)

55 "It possessed an unusual enhancement, a furin cleavage site..."

Mmmmmm....cleavage.

Posted by: Morons at May 11, 2021 03:23 PM (6Ljzq)

56 That's what Shi said!

Posted by: andycanuck at May 11, 2021 03:23 PM (UHVv4)

57 >>>55 "It possessed an unusual enhancement, a furin cleavage site..."

pics or GTFO

Posted by: ace at May 11, 2021 03:23 PM (eOTGX)

58 Fauxi = Rasputin

Posted by: creeper at May 11, 2021 03:23 PM (XxJt1)

59 Any time you bring a virus into a laboratory to study it by exposing it to human cells, you are creating a man made virus. The virus will mutate in the laboratory to be more infectious to human cells simply because human cells are the only thing it sees.

It doesn't have to be "genetically modified" to be man made. Although, it sounds like this one is.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 11, 2021 03:23 PM (Y5qcH)

60 50 Fauci lies when he tells the truth and tells the truth when he is lying...

Any Questions you Nabobs ?
Posted by: James at May 11, 2021 03:22 PM (rWWna)

Norman coordinate!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:23 PM (lmikk)

61 So it's safe to assume it's a bioweapon and all actions after knowing it was released on the world were malicious at best and war at worst.
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I don't think it was released as a bioweapon attack -- they wouldn't have released it just outside of the Wuhan Institute of Virology if it was meant as a biological sneak-attack.

They melted down Wuhan with the virus before they melted down the rest of the world.
Posted by: ace at May 11, 2021 03:20 PM (eOTGX)

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Yes, but as we often discussed on JJ's threads back when JackStraw was still around, even if it wasn't intentional, China's actions after they knew what was happening were no different than an act of war.

China treated it as a bioweapon and gladly released it on the rest of the world after they realized what was happening.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Important article about what's coming at May 11, 2021 03:23 PM (XTk1T)

62 Why? Seriously don't know. Why would this be something someone would do?
Posted by: grammie winger at May 11, 2021 03:22 PM (45fpk)
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I think it's to better understand how coronaviruses mutate and interact with humans, so as to better be able to target things like vaccine development. A lot of this is derived from the original SARS and MERS problems.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 11, 2021 03:24 PM (Jsjd7)

63 Bret Weinstein made the case for a lab leak last June. Long podcast, but worth it.https://youtu.be/q5SRrsr-Iug

Posted by: Hammer Dog at May 11, 2021 03:24 PM (9M063)

64 Why? Seriously don't know. Why would this be something someone would do?

Posted by: grammie winger
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Bioweapons.

Posted by: SMH at May 11, 2021 03:24 PM (wparq)

65 57 >>>55 "It possessed an unusual enhancement, a furin cleavage site..."

pics or GTFO
Posted by: ace at May 11, 2021 03:23 PM (eOTGX)

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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 11, 2021 03:24 PM (LvTSG)

66 Bioweapons.
Posted by: SMH at May 11, 2021 03:24 PM (wparq)
++++
Or that.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 11, 2021 03:24 PM (Jsjd7)

67 The five-sided nuthouse is especially interested.

Posted by: SMH at May 11, 2021 03:24 PM (wparq)

68 "then later reproduced by the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists."

the Doomsday Clock boys. they know what time it is.

Posted by: x4 at May 11, 2021 03:25 PM (oA+QO)

69 54 First I find out Gates likes to get his dick wet and now Fauci is a fraud.

Not sure I can handle any more Revelations
Posted by: Rick in SK at May 11, 2021 03:23 PM (FZYNt)

To be fair, who does not like to have sex? We all just quibble on the partner.

Or object I guess for the couch fuckers among us.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:25 PM (lmikk)

70 How ironic that Blo Jiden visited Jimmy Carter last week.

Posted by: James at May 11, 2021 03:25 PM (rWWna)

71 I can't express how much I loathe this fucking worm. He needs to tarred and feather and then hung by his balls.

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 11, 2021 03:25 PM (nxdel)

72 I equivocally deny that our good and wonderful Chinese friends had anything to do with the creation of this malarkey. It was obviously the design of an evil, white, cisgendered man, and we will find him and put him in jail soon!
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To be fair. If you told me the virus was designed so that a ready made vaccine could be mass produced and sold worldwide (and by they came up with one quick) . . . and that china was used a patsy for blame . . . it would not surprise me one bit. NOT. ONE. BIT.

Posted by: simplemind at May 11, 2021 03:25 PM (j37DN)

73 Why? Seriously don't know. Why would this be something someone would do?

Posted by: grammie winger at May 11, 2021 03:22 PM (45fpk)

You know all those movies about mad scientist that play with thing just because they can, regardless of what the costs are? Yeah, that.

Posted by: Bete at May 11, 2021 03:25 PM (Ojki1)

74 I'm shocked to find there is gambling going on in here!!

Posted by: Zombie Captain Renault at May 11, 2021 03:25 PM (Rvt88)

75 It's documented that researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology were doing gain-of-function experiments designed to make coronaviruses infect human cells and humanized mice.

Uh ... why? What innocuous reason could there possibly be to promote human infection with a corona virus?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021 03:26 PM (FXaFS)

76 My question is, did any of the Big Wig ChiComs or their families die of the Vids?

Or even get the virus?

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 11, 2021 03:26 PM (oHd/0)

77 -a furin cleavage site

like The Chive?

wtf is furin?

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 11, 2021 03:26 PM (bTQ72)

78 >>>64 Why? Seriously don't know. Why would this be something someone would do?

Supposedly the theory goes that if they can anticipate what new mutations a virus may undertake, we can develop vaccines for them before they even come into existence.

the fact that we keep releasing these fucking frankenviruses accidentally means that these idiots have to reevaluate the cost-benefit analysis here

oh and of course China is pretending to be engaged in public health science here when the real goal is, yes, bioweapons

Posted by: ace at May 11, 2021 03:26 PM (eOTGX)

79 Oh and for the record, many people figured out from jump street that this was a gain of function virus that was intentionally leaked from the lab in Wuhan to take out Trump.

I'd produce the the blog entries, but most of them got deleted when I was banned in March of 2020 for and I quote, "being a fucking retarded and spreading disinformation."

So, there's that.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 11, 2021 03:26 PM (E0ukh)

80 Fauci needs to be held accountable... at the end of a rope

Posted by: Zeera Hunkering down here, Boss at May 11, 2021 03:26 PM (VmWzL)

81 I think it's to better understand how coronaviruses mutate and interact with humans, so as to better be able to target things like vaccine development. A lot of this is derived from the original SARS and MERS problems.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 11, 2021 03:24 PM (Jsjd7)

There's also some belief that man made viruses can be used in future medical treatments.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 11, 2021 03:26 PM (Y5qcH)

82 Biosafety Level 2 is the same level of bio-security required in your local dentist office. It requires a facemask, some gloves, and signage indicating that this is a BSL2 area.

Obviously, viruses can easily escape this "security" regime.

This is where you are WRONG. I have it on good authority, by the greatest medical mind that ever existed, (who also shares a patent on the virus), that wearing a mask will stop the spread of the virus dead in its tracks. Two masks will force the virus to actually retreat.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 11, 2021 03:26 PM (OPD+s)

83
wtf is furin?
Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 11, 2021 03:26 PM (bTQ72)

Not from heah.

Posted by: The Warden from Cool Hand Luke at May 11, 2021 03:27 PM (PiwSw)

84 Joe Biden statement of the Day:

Given the opportunity to screw up, I will ...

Posted by: James at May 11, 2021 03:27 PM (rWWna)

85 Factchecker: "If you accept Fauci's definition of 'gain-of-function experiments' which he has specifically crafted to exclude the experiments conducted in Wuhan with NIH grant money (and that's what we're going to do because it's WAY, WAY too difficult for us to understand even basic science and we have invested WAY, WAY too much in sanctifying Dr. Fauci to do otherwise at this point), then Ron Paul is wrong and Fauci is correct."

Posted by: Math Checksout at May 11, 2021 03:27 PM (dYe5S)

86 Either Paul is wrong or Fauci is lying. It shouldn't be hard to figure out which other than Fauci and his puppet masters have an interest in that not happening. Glad to see Lester Holt being targeted; fuck that guy in particular.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 11, 2021 03:27 PM (y7DUB)

87 I'd produce the the blog entries, but most of them got deleted when I was banned in March of 2020 for and I quote, "being a fucking retarded and spreading disinformation."

So, there's that.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 11, 2021 03:26 PM (E0ukh)

We are Morons!!

Posted by: LASue at May 11, 2021 03:27 PM (Ed8Zd)

88 Joe Biden statement of the Day:

Given the opportunity to screw up, I will ...
Posted by: James at May 11, 2021 03:27 PM (rWWna)
++++
Confirmed.

Posted by: History at May 11, 2021 03:27 PM (Jsjd7)

89 equivocations, quibbling, and, frankly, lies

I saw Equivocations, Quibbling, and, Frankly Lies open for Hamilton, Joe Frank and Reynolds at the Felt Forum in '75.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 11, 2021 03:27 PM (s2VJv)

90 There's also some belief that man made viruses can be used in future medical treatments.

They actually do use benign viruses for exactly that.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 11, 2021 03:27 PM (OPD+s)

91 Bioweapons.
Posted by: SMH at May 11, 2021 03:24 PM (wparq)

One of the most insane ideas I think I have ever heard. I mean Bioweapons, not your assertion that this is one. Bio is FAR more dangerous than Nuke simply because once you let it out, everyone is fucked. If we nuked say Portland. Portland would be fucked and people down wind from the fallout might have some unpleasantness. However, with our current society, if you release a bioweapon in Outer Mongolia, it might well be in Madagascar before the week is out.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:28 PM (lmikk)

92 I think it's to better understand how coronaviruses mutate and interact
with humans, so as to better be able to target things like vaccine
development. A lot of this is derived from the original SARS and MERS
problems.
Correct. Of course, giving it to a Chinese biowarfare lab probably isn't the best way to accomplish that goal. I wish Paul had modified his question after the first few times Fauci denied that NIH funded research at Wuhan. He should have asked: "was any money originating at NIH ever sent to Wuhan, regardless of the number of cutouts used in the process?"

Posted by: pep at May 11, 2021 03:28 PM (v16oJ)

93 Norman coordinate!
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:23 PM (lmikk)

Totally O/T but last night's episode featured the young Mariette Hartley as the exiled cave-woman. Yummy.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at May 11, 2021 03:28 PM (dfRN6)

94 Fauci - its a type of weasel.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 11, 2021 03:28 PM (r+sAi)

95 41 I equivocally deny that our good and wonderful Chinese friends had anything to do with the creation of this malarkey. It was obviously the design of an evil, white, cisgendered man, and we will find him and put him in jail soon!
Posted by: President NPC at May 11, 2021 03:21 PM (FPuSC)

*slides out backdoor without making eye contact*

Posted by: Fraundchi at May 11, 2021 03:29 PM (Ojki1)

96 They actually do use benign viruses for exactly that.
Posted by: Reuben Hick

what do they use benign former vice presidents for?

Posted by: Rick in SK at May 11, 2021 03:29 PM (FZYNt)

97
We are living through the prequel to the Star Trek episode "Miri."

Democrats = Louise.

Look it up.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 11, 2021 03:29 PM (s2VJv)

98 Dems really scared about the Arizona re-count !

Wonder why? House cards on Blo Jiden and friends ready to collapse and prepping for Impeachment of Blo Jiden and Whoriss ??

Posted by: James at May 11, 2021 03:29 PM (rWWna)

99 "wtf is furin?"
I've heard of furin strips.

Posted by: Bill Gates at May 11, 2021 03:29 PM (Tnijr)

100 'Supposedly the theory goes that if they can anticipate what new
mutations a virus may undertake, we can develop vaccines for them before
they even come into existence.'

Thanks ace. And the rest who responded too. One of the things I like about coming here is learning things I don't know. There are exceptions.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 11, 2021 03:29 PM (45fpk)

101 >>>94 Fauci - its a type of weasel.

he's a type of slime found in damp dark places.

Posted by: ace at May 11, 2021 03:29 PM (eOTGX)

102 74 I'm shocked to find there is gambling going on in here!!
Posted by: Zombie Captain Renault at May 11, 2021 03:25 PM (Rvt8

I miss Claude Rains.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:29 PM (lmikk)

103 One of the most insane ideas I think I have ever heard. I mean Bioweapons, not your assertion that this is one. Bio is FAR more dangerous than Nuke simply because once you let it out, everyone is fucked. If we nuked say Portland. Portland would be fucked and people down wind from the fallout might have some unpleasantness. However, with our current society, if you release a bioweapon in Outer Mongolia, it might well be in Madagascar before the week is out.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:28 PM (lmikk)
++++
That's why you have a vaccine *in advance* and stockpiles of it to protect your own people while you unleash hell on your enemies (and hope you are as smart as you think and your hubris doesn't just kill everyone

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 11, 2021 03:29 PM (Jsjd7)

104 .@RandPaul
: "Dr. Fauci, do you still support...NIH funding of the lab in Wuhan?"

Dr. Anthony Fauci: "Senator Paul, with all due respect, you are entirely and completely incorrect..."

This is not responsive to the question. Rand Paul wasn't asking a retrospective question, he was asking a prospective question. How could that question be "incorrect?" It was a request for information.

But it's a very Clintonian answer. This malignant little dwarf needs to be investigated, and if appropriate, prosecuted at least for perjury.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021 03:30 PM (FXaFS)

105 99 "wtf is furin?"
I've heard of furin strips.
Posted by: Bill Gates at May 11, 2021 03:29 PM (Tnijr)

It's a legion, no?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 11, 2021 03:30 PM (s2VJv)

106 Nothing will happen to Fauci.

Though really he should be headed to Gitmo. I mean seriously that fucker cost us trillions of dollars and some uncountable number of lives.

Posted by: blaster at May 11, 2021 03:30 PM (ZfRYq)

107 "Totally O/T but last night's episode featured the young Mariette Hartley as the exiled conniving cave-woman."
FIFY

Posted by: Spock at May 11, 2021 03:30 PM (Tnijr)

108 Fauci can dance all he likes, the mask is off, so to speak, and everyone now knows he is the evil scientist.

Funny how Debra Birx is nowhere to be seen now. Hiding behind one of her scarves?

Posted by: President Select Decaf at May 11, 2021 03:30 PM (RMGKK)

109 One of the most insane ideas I think I have ever
heard. I mean Bioweapons, not your assertion that this is one. Bio is
FAR more dangerous than Nuke simply because once you let it out,
everyone is fucked. If we nuked say Portland. Portland would be fucked
and people down wind from the fallout might have some unpleasantness.
However, with our current society, if you release a bioweapon in Outer
Mongolia, it might well be in Madagascar before the week is out.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:28 PM

Going with the mad scientist thing but if you created a bio weapon and created an antidote that you gave to your own people I can seen governments running with that, especially China.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 11, 2021 03:30 PM (JUOKG)

110 Totally O/T but last night's episode featured the young Mariette Hartley as the exiled cave-woman. Yummy.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at May 11, 2021 03:28 PM (dfRN6)

And in OT- even Spock got his ashes hauled. Multiple times.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:30 PM (lmikk)

111 I'm going to go against some of the posters here and say that Fauci's days as a celebrity hero-oracle are numbered. Forced retirement.He'll be getting a gold watch ,a pension and a swift kick out the door sooner than we think.

This is bad. Tucker had this story and it's going around and gaining traction.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 11, 2021 03:30 PM (HrMC1)

112
if you ever seen anything like
see naked pictures of VP Kamala Harris and her who-who

DO NOT CLICK ON IT !!

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 11, 2021 03:30 PM (bTQ72)

113 Furins were what that Vin Diesel guy was in that movie. He was the last one.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 11, 2021 03:31 PM (Y5qcH)

114 Fauci should be hanging from piano wire along with everyone that was in that China virus lab, pour encourager les autres.

Posted by: Roy at May 11, 2021 03:31 PM (Ti+Tv)

115 104
But it's a very Clintonian answer. This malignant little dwarf needs to be investigated, and if appropriate, prosecuted at least for perjury.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021 03:30 PM (FXaFS)

Considering who is running our government and judicial system. Rand Paul is the one who will get the legal equivalent of his neighbor.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 11, 2021 03:31 PM (s2VJv)

116 55 "It possessed an unusual enhancement, a furin cleavage site..."

Mmmmmm....cleavage.
Posted by: Morons at May 11, 2021 03:23 PM (6Ljzq)

Yes, furin cleavage sites are good source of non-decadent cleavage. And other viruses utilize these sites in their capsid (or other?) proteins to use as part of their entry process, just not the group-2B coronaviruses until recently.

Posted by: Thrawn at May 11, 2021 03:31 PM (Enc9Y)

117 Why? Seriously don't know. Why would this be something someone would do?"

This is actually the plot of most zombie movies e.g. "I am Legend".

Posted by: pep at May 11, 2021 03:31 PM (v16oJ)

118 Brett Weinstein has been covering this on his podcast for the better part of a year.

If you evaluate the actual evidence, there's very strong reason to believe the virus leaked.

There is very thin evidence - as in none - that it magically jumped from a bat to a pangolin to a human.

Posted by: MJ at May 11, 2021 03:31 PM (gAMkn)

119 Going with the mad scientist thing but if you created a bio weapon and created an antidote that you gave to your own people I can seen governments running with that, especially China.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 11, 2021 03:30 PM (JUOKG)

But you do not know whether your vaccine will be effective. It is an absolutely insane thing to take a chance on.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:31 PM (lmikk)

120 98 Dems really scared about the Arizona re-count !

Wonder why? House cards on Blo Jiden and friends ready to collapse and prepping for Impeachment of Blo Jiden and Whoriss ??
Posted by: James at May 11, 2021 03:29 PM (rWWna)

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That will never happen.

However, it could give state level GOP excuses to tighten up election security before the next election.

If Democrats had to cheat massively in 2020, then they know they can't win without the cheating. They need HR1 to pass, and they'll never get it to pass if Arizona proves that the "reforms" are easily taken advantage of for illegal votes.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 11, 2021 03:31 PM (LvTSG)

121 My programmers are telling me to give Fauci a raise after this performance. What a guy!

Posted by: President NPC at May 11, 2021 03:31 PM (FPuSC)

122 SARS Coronavirus is a BSL 3 Select Agent per CDC/APHIS. Novel SARS Coronaviruses that are uncharacterized should be BSL 4. If we found a lab working this at BSL 2, we would have killed the project and potentially axed all the Select Agent funding pending a deeper dive on their processes. I sincerely doubt that this was a refined bioweapon but I find it enormously plausible that this was an experiment in the Chinese bioweapons program that escaped through an occupational infection, such as a sharps accident.

Source: me. I worked in US biodefense at the BSL 3 and 4 level.

Posted by: Me at May 11, 2021 03:31 PM (WfleH)

123 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 11, 2021 03:17 PM (Jsjd7
=====================
MIT publishing this paper is sort of weird, since it is not actual science and the authors are only loosely affiliated with MIT. The authors had MIT email addresses, but in most cases perhaps only for purposes of publishing this paper via MIT. Since I am always really skeptical of these sorts of social sciences I think it is a ridiculous thing for MIT to put their name on.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 11, 2021 03:31 PM (f6JSa)

124 THE VOICES IN MY HEAD PROMISED ME CLEAVAGE

Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 11, 2021 03:32 PM (3hX1d)

125 I don't think it was released as a bioweapon attack -- they wouldn't have released it just outside of the Wuhan Institute of Virology if it was meant as a biological sneak-attack.

(sigh)

The warning "Made in China" is globally recognized as a sign of corner-cutting, cheap substitutions, absent quality-control, disregard for safety, shoddy craftsmanship and overall no-fucks-given execution.

So how are we to suppose that this virus is the exception. They f'd up and manufactured a "Made in China" virus and it is working as well as can be expected.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 11, 2021 03:32 PM (OPD+s)

126 These bastards should be injected with Ebola.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 11, 2021 03:32 PM (vl4tz)

127 I saw Furin Cleavage Site open for Pearl Jam at Tractor Tavern in '93.

Posted by: ShainS at May 11, 2021 03:32 PM (yngc4)

128 if you ever see anything like
"see naked pictures of VP Kamala Harris and her who-who"

DO NOT CLICK ON IT !!
Posted by: will choose a nic later
___

Yeah, good luck with that.

Posted by: SMH at May 11, 2021 03:32 PM (wparq)

129 Instead of a revolting, evil little gnome, here's a pretty brunette in short shorts:
https://is.gd/8Rm7fi

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 11, 2021 03:32 PM (Jsjd7)

130 Mind the furin!

Posted by: The Chive at May 11, 2021 03:32 PM (UHVv4)

131 Bath-house behavior has no bearing on the spread of AIDS.
-A. Fuchiai

Posted by: Eromero at May 11, 2021 03:33 PM (0OP+5)

132 117 Why? Seriously don't know. Why would this be something someone would do?"

This is actually the plot of most zombie movies e.g. "I am Legend".
Posted by: pep at May 11, 2021 03:31 PM (v16oJ)

I liked the set up for I am Legend. Will Smith did a good job there, I just hate pretty much everything else.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:33 PM (lmikk)

133 97
We are living through the prequel to the Star Trek episode "Miri."

Democrats = Louise.

Look it up.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 11, 2021 03:29 PM (s2VJv)

Or the early days of World War Z/The Walking Dead.

Posted by: Bete at May 11, 2021 03:33 PM (Ojki1)

134 a furin cleavage site

Always thought the "fur in" was below the waist, and cleavage referred to fun bags. But what do I know.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 11, 2021 03:33 PM (N39Ws)

135 79 Oh and for the record, many people figured out from jump street that this was a gain of function virus that was intentionally leaked from the lab in Wuhan to take out Trump.

I'd produce the the blog entries, but most of them got deleted when I was banned in March of 2020 for and I quote, "being a fucking retarded and spreading disinformation."

So, there's that.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 11, 2021 03:26 PM (E0ukh)

Yeah, I wasn't posting then (long time lurker, recent poster)...but it does seem to be something more allowed to be posted now that we have vaccines and are on the other side, than when it was a possibility we couldn't solve the problem (or didn't know how big it was)...

I mean, for weeks, I've been mentioning it here as a pro for getting vaccinated

.

I think all political parties are to blame for that info shutdown thanks to election politics and likely spread blame...

Posted by: Nova local at May 11, 2021 03:33 PM (b1h2x)

136 I think it's to better understand how corona viruses mutate and interact with humans, so as to better be able to target things like vaccine development. A lot of this is derived from the original SARS and MERS problems.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 11, 2021 03:24 PM (Jsjd7)

I'm all for such research. But why engineer enhanced infectiousness in such viruses?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021 03:34 PM (FXaFS)

137 The warning "Made in China" is globally recognized as a sign of corner-cutting, cheap substitutions, absent quality-control, disregard for safety, shoddy craftsmanship and overall no-fucks-given execution.

So how are we to suppose that this virus is the exception. They f'd up and manufactured a "Made in China" virus and it is working as well as can be expected.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at May 11, 2021 03:32 PM (OPD+s)

***

Ha. I like this observation very much.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Important article about what's coming at May 11, 2021 03:34 PM (XTk1T)

138 This wasn't a bio-weapon as engineered, it certainly was politically weaponized for maximum effect.

A real bio weapon would...

- Have a high infection rate.
- High lethality across all populations, ie young, old,
healthy, infirm.
- Have a high burn rate, ie the targeted populations get
sick quickly and die and are incapacitated quickly so as
to not have large virus vectors sticking around for
invading armies.

So no, this was not a bio-weapon.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 11, 2021 03:34 PM (E0ukh)

139 It's not that journalism majors are the least educated with not post grad education.

Anyone who went to university and paid attention knows that the kids who could not handle the analytical classes (economics, physics, math, science, chemistry, biology,....) went into communication and journalism. This is where the full-ride athletes went.

OK, some called it pre-law and went on to law school, but that was the smart ones who did well on the LSAT even if they sucked at math. The idiot kids who took the gut classes and only got accepted to whatever school because of connections or extra curricular crap - they all went into communications and journalism.

More important though - wee knew all about this information 14 months ago and it was covered up. I have papers and comment discussions I saved from before the lancet article (and after) supporting all that is now being semi reported. It was all a big cover up, and my question is why is it coming out now?

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at May 11, 2021 03:34 PM (idcaC)

140 Trump was RIGHT about the virus being created in a lab, and he's RIGHT that the election was stolen.

I've yet to see Trump proven wrong about ANYTHING.

Hell, Obama probably wasn't born here.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 11, 2021 03:34 PM (HrMC1)

141 122 Posted by: Me at May 11, 2021 03:31 PM (WfleH)

The lethality of the virus as we all know now was not so big a deal.

That said, it was used as a psychological weapon the equivalent of the Tsar Bomba. Destroyed our economy and ousted a president who for the first time in decades intended to put the damn Chinamen in their place.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 11, 2021 03:34 PM (s2VJv)

142 Or the early days of World War Z/The Walking Dead.

Posted by: Bete at May 11, 2021 03:33 PM (Ojki1)

That's why rabies is so scary. It's near 100% fatal if untreated. If it was airborne, we'd be screwed.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 11, 2021 03:34 PM (Y5qcH)

143 Guy Mohawk, not cool, bro. Not cool at all.

Posted by: A weasel at May 11, 2021 03:34 PM (KmkAz)

144 This is bad. Tucker had this story and it's going around and gaining traction.

Yeah I was watching that last night and hoped like hell this story doesn't die. Fauci is pure evil.

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 11, 2021 03:34 PM (nxdel)

145 119 Going with the mad scientist thing but if you created a bio weapon and created an antidote that you gave to your own people I can seen governments running with that, especially China.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 11, 2021 03:30 PM (JUOKG)

But you do not know whether your vaccine will be effective. It is an absolutely insane thing to take a chance on.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:31 PM (lmikk)

Which is why a competent evil biolab would have more precautions until you are sure of the outcome. Sadly Wuhan isn't competent.

Posted by: Bete at May 11, 2021 03:35 PM (Ojki1)

146 124 THE VOICES IN MY HEAD PROMISED ME CLEAVAGE
Posted by: Lance McCormick at May 11, 2021 03:32 PM (3hX1d)

Calm down, man. I have you covered.

https://tinyurl.com/jywuv5kw

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:35 PM (lmikk)

147 126 These bastards should be injected with Ebola.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 11, 2021 03:32 PM (vl4tz)

Lead. At 3,200 feet per second...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 11, 2021 03:35 PM (s2VJv)

148 Mira Furin, didn't she play Delenn in Babylon 5?

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at May 11, 2021 03:35 PM (PiwSw)

149 >> This wasn't a bio-weapon as engineered, it certainly was politically weaponized for maximum effect.

Too much melamine.

Posted by: garrett at May 11, 2021 03:35 PM (GPQ0o)

150 Lead. At 3,200 feet per second...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 11, 2021 03:35 PM (s2VJv)

Pretty fast round.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:36 PM (lmikk)

151 148 Mira Furin, didn't she play Delenn in Babylon 5?
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at May 11, 2021 03:35 PM (PiwSw)

Furlan. And yes.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:36 PM (lmikk)

152 I don't think it was released as a bioweapon attack -- they wouldn't have released it just outside of the Wuhan Institute of Virology if it was meant as a biological sneak-attack.

They melted down Wuhan with the virus before they melted down the rest of the world.
Posted by: ace at May 11, 2021 03:20 PM (eOTGX)

I do think it is a weapon, and I've always believed it. They released it on their own people to do away with the inconvenient. Their population cannot support the old people, and this virus kills old people and not the young. I don't believe for a minute that this is coincidence.

Posted by: Catherine at May 11, 2021 03:36 PM (41zFX)

153 150 Lead. At 3,200 feet per second...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 11, 2021 03:35 PM (s2VJv)

Pretty fast round.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:36 PM (lmikk)

Poetic license. But you understood the reference.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 11, 2021 03:36 PM (s2VJv)

154 Perjury?! Sounds to me like a shoo-in for the Nobel Prize for Medicine.

Posted by: t-bird at May 11, 2021 03:36 PM (oBAbT)

155 En fuego!

Posted by: That Guy who shouts "En fuego!" at May 11, 2021 03:36 PM (DMUuz)

156 If you have furin your cleavage site,You might be Bruce Jenner.

Posted by: Spork at May 11, 2021 03:36 PM (Tnijr)

157 Going with the mad scientist thing but if you created a bio weapon and created an antidote that you gave to your own people I can seen governments running with that, especially China.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at May 11, 2021 03:30 PM (JUOKG)

But you do not know whether your vaccine will be effective. It is an absolutely insane thing to take a chance on.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:31 PM (lmikk)

It seems to me that a bioweapon doesn't need to kill a lot of people to be effective. Even something that simply made large portions of the population sick and left them weakened for weeks or months afterwards, or which caused increase likelihood of dangerous clotting such that hospital resources were overwhelmed would be useful if released at the right time. It could cripple an industrial base, military manpower, and health-care systems. Very useful if your goal was, say, to launch a brief 30-45 day war and then negotiate a settlement.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 11, 2021 03:36 PM (jOcSX)

158 What the Chinese let happen was just the most recent iteration of the annual flu mutation. Trying to make it more than that is buying into the scam.

AND THIS IS A SCAM.

Posted by: Justsayin' at May 11, 2021 03:37 PM (Fs5vw)

159 MIT publishing this paper is sort of weird, since it is not actual science and the authors are only loosely affiliated with MIT. The authors had MIT email addresses, but in most cases perhaps only for purposes of publishing this paper via MIT. Since I am always really skeptical of these sorts of social sciences I think it is a ridiculous thing for MIT to put their name on.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 11, 2021 03:31 PM (f6JSa)
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Why is it ridiculous? It is merely a reflection of how deep the rot is.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 11, 2021 03:37 PM (Jsjd7)

160 So no, this was not a bio-weapon.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 11, 2021 03:34 PM (E0ukh)
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Eh, don't know about that. The Wuhan Flu proved to be an excellent economic weapon, that arose at a critical political time, in a country that was in a deep economic war.

All weapons need not be killers. They just have to be effective for their designed purpose. This virus crippled the world economy, and profoundly affected the West, to the express betterment of China.

Posted by: Revenant at May 11, 2021 03:37 PM (C35Jn)

161 wtf is furin
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$20 -- the same as in the lab.

Posted by: just the punchline at May 11, 2021 03:37 PM (UHVv4)

162 in socialism old people have no value, a virus that mostly impacts old people would have some value for the CCP

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 11, 2021 03:38 PM (bTQ72)

163 Poetic license. But you understood the reference.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 11, 2021 03:36 PM (s2VJv)

I love the internet. I plug in the speed:

.243 Winchester. 3200 ft/s.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:38 PM (lmikk)

164 wtf is furin

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$20 -- the same as in the lab.

Posted by: just the punchline at May 11, 2021 03:37 PM (UHVv4)

What furries do.

Posted by: 4 at May 11, 2021 03:38 PM (KnJdm)

165 Which is why a competent evil biolab would have more precautions until you are sure of the outcome. Sadly Wuhan isn't competent.
Right? On what f***ing planet is funding CHINA to do this research a good idea? They can't even make safe dog food.

Posted by: pep at May 11, 2021 03:38 PM (v16oJ)

166 I used to care about this stuff, but then I realized that there was zero chance of people lying to congress or manipulating things to their advantage in government ever being held accountable on this earth. Now its just like reading a really dry, long airport paperback book trying to be suspense.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 11, 2021 03:39 PM (KZzsI)

167 I do think it is a weapon, and I've always believed it. They released it on their own people to do away with the inconvenient. Their population cannot support the old people, and this virus kills old people and not the young. I don't believe for a minute that this is coincidence.
Posted by: Catherine at May 11, 2021 03:36 PM (41zFX)

Yep. It's a weapon and even if they didn't intentionally use it, they are still responsible--just like if someone left a loaded gun lying around at a keg party

Posted by: JoeF. at May 11, 2021 03:39 PM (HrMC1)

168 I do think it is a weapon

Part of a weapon. The other part is our governments.

Wuhan, the epicenter, has been out of lockdown for ages.

Posted by: t-bird at May 11, 2021 03:39 PM (8DRUP)

169 73 You know all those movies about mad scientist that play with thing just
because they can, regardless of what the costs are? Yeah, that.
how do you say "miguelito loveless" in mandarin? "fu manchu"?

Posted by: Comrade Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at May 11, 2021 03:39 PM (sGtp+)

170 That's Doctor Senator Paul, Doctor Fauci.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at May 11, 2021 03:39 PM (xopIz)

171 All weapons need not be killers. They just have to be effective for their designed purpose. This virus crippled the world economy, and profoundly affected the West, to the express betterment of China.
Posted by: Revenant
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This is why, as far as I'm concerned, I think it's a bioweapon.

Posted by: SMH at May 11, 2021 03:39 PM (wparq)

172 Tracey notes that the Washington Post was among the most aggressive outlets proclaiming that the lab-leak theory was "debunked" -- but resorted to selectively quoting an expert who actually supported the possibility of a lab-leak as the source of covid by simply refusing to report that portion of his remarks:

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Not only does democracy die in darkness at the Washington Post but so does the truth.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at May 11, 2021 03:39 PM (RMGKK)

173 >>>So how are we to suppose that this virus is the exception. They f'd up
and manufactured a "Made in China" virus and it is working as well as
can be expected.<<<
>The fucking Chinese shipped a shit-ton of pet food that was killing our companions. Trade partners? Adversaries? Enemies?

hmm.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 11, 2021 03:39 PM (2goRJ)

174 Which lab did he fund it at?

Posted by: CN at May 11, 2021 03:39 PM (ONvIw)

175 >>> So no, this was not a bio-weapon.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 11, 2021 03:34 PM (E0ukh)

How about a cheap-ass Chinese manufactured knock-off bio-weapon. It would be marketed as "Baio Werpoon Very Good"

Posted by: banana Dream at May 11, 2021 03:40 PM (bYTQR)

176 I am in the "it wasn't an op at first, but it became one" camp. I think at the very start, when all we had to go on was "new pathogen" and "dear G-d, look at China's response to this thing," we reacted bigly. It became an op no later than Easter of last year, when data started coming in and we better understood risks and treatments.

Even if China deliberately fanned the flames - and I think that is possible - I suspect that they even they were astounded when, far from declining into summer, the intensity ramped up and stayed there. There is no way they could have expected this to *still* be going on.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 11, 2021 03:40 PM (Jsjd7)

177 @160

As I said, as constructed, it was not a bioweapon, that does not mean you cannot wreck great damage with a bioengineered virus, which this obviously was and which they obviously did.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 11, 2021 03:40 PM (E0ukh)

178
the chinese make shit products, even dog food made there killed dogs in the USA

Posted by: will choose a nic later at May 11, 2021 03:40 PM (bTQ72)

179 MIT publishing this paper is sort of weird, since it is not actual science and the authors are only loosely affiliated with MIT.

Same thing with the Johns Hopkins article re the virus mortality stats and its retraction. Turns out, the article was in a student-run newsletter, which then retracted the article as containing "misinformation."

Students - is there anything they don't know?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021 03:40 PM (mlxZk)

180 How's that workin' out for you so far, Geniuses?

Have you really studied up on furin cleavage sites?

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The only cleavage the media know about is the one on the front of blonde newsreaders.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at May 11, 2021 03:40 PM (RMGKK)

181 Well, at least it cured the flu.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 11, 2021 03:40 PM (Y5qcH)

182 This wasn't a bio-weapon as engineered, it certainly was politically weaponized for maximum effect.

It got out before it was ready. China made the best of it. They probably already had a real vaccine before it go out. Which is why China is open and the rest of the world is not.

BTW, the CCP Military has been looking at bioweapons from SARS for a long time.

https://tinyurl.com/4kvyx3pe

Posted by: shibumi at May 11, 2021 03:41 PM (WAylS)

183 ICYMI, that Nicolas Wade article, Origin of Covid -- Following the Clues, that Ace linked yesterday, is absolutely fantastic. Pulitzer Prize work, when that meant something.

https://tinyurl.com/rw6r7bc

In a just world, Fauci would be facing crimes against humanity charges, on penalty of death by hanging.

Posted by: 4 at May 11, 2021 03:41 PM (KnJdm)

184 Fauci keeps saying he didn't fund it at Wuhan , NOT that he didn't fund it. Where was it developed and then transferred?

Posted by: CN at May 11, 2021 03:41 PM (ONvIw)

185 MIT publishing this paper is sort of weird, since it
is not actual science and the authors are only loosely affiliated with
MIT. The authors had MIT email addresses, but in most cases perhaps only
for purposes of publishing this paper via MIT. Since I am always really
skeptical of these sorts of social sciences I think it is a ridiculous
thing for MIT to put their name on.

Posted by: Huck Follywood

Well the ~~priesthood~~ scientific establishment is always wary of ~~layity~~ non-scientists interpreting ~~Scripture~~ science, so...

Posted by: Brother Tim sez: No Blood for Congress! at May 11, 2021 03:41 PM (OUMaO)

186 It seems to me that a bioweapon doesn't need to kill a lot of people to be effective. Even something that simply made large portions of the population sick and left them weakened for weeks or months afterwards, or which caused increase likelihood of dangerous clotting such that hospital resources were overwhelmed would be useful if released at the right time. It could cripple an industrial base, military manpower, and health-care systems. Very useful if your goal was, say, to launch a brief 30-45 day war and then negotiate a settlement.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at May 11, 2021 03:36 PM (jOcSX)

But that is the point. Mutations can go any damn well they please. In more normal times, a particularly deadly variant would be selected against because it would be anti-evolutionary for the virus or bacteria. So, a particularly bad strain of plague would wipe out an entire village, the bacteria would not be able to live on because there was no living organism it could thrive inside. Kaput. Someone comes along and finds everyone dead. They get the fuck out of there.

Now, a nasty virulent strain that has a long incubation time can spread all over the world.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:41 PM (lmikk)

187 I've yet to see Trump proven wrong about ANYTHING.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 11, 2021 03:34 PM (HrMC1)
He was wrong to leave Fauxi in a position of influence. That is why we are in this mess today.

Posted by: creeper at May 11, 2021 03:41 PM (XxJt1)

188 Dr. Felchi and the Press didn't like, they just fortified the truth.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 11, 2021 03:41 PM (ifmtJ)

189 Something I heard from a number of people over the last year or so, is that covid seems to "go" after weaknesses in one's physiology, immunity. I do not know if that is how all flu viruses behave, or whether it is how all corona virus like SARS behave , but that one theme if consistent.

Posted by: runner at May 11, 2021 03:42 PM (V13WU)

190 I mean, I get the whole "let others know so they vote against this crap" but I mean... we all did, last time. And the Democrats crapped all over use and fixed the election so blatantly its obvious they were doing it daring us to react.

So what's the point of telling anyone anything? We all know.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 11, 2021 03:42 PM (KZzsI)

191 What is the name of that virus on Luapdnar's head?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 11, 2021 03:42 PM (xW72t)

192 181 Well, at least it cured the flu.
saved many people from a fate worse than death

Posted by: Comrade Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at May 11, 2021 03:43 PM (v3pYe)

193 138 This wasn't a bio-weapon as engineered, it certainly was politically weaponized for maximum effect.
So no, this was not a bio-weapon.
Posted by: Thomas Bender

We can not know this.
1. We do not have the initial information. It may have been much more lethal the first couple weeks, but that information is hidden by china.
2. A bio-weapon may be engineered to have high lethality as released, but also quickly moderate if the lethality depends on an unstable feature which does not reproduce or transmit easily. That would be hard to do, but possible and we do not know what these idiots were doing.
3. It's chinese. Maybe this was the best they could do. Maybe they thought it would be more lethal. Again, we do not have the early data.
4. They shut down the world economies for a year.

I agree that an optimized weapon would attack troops though.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at May 11, 2021 03:43 PM (idcaC)

194 These bastards should be injected with Ebola.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division

I was going for Hemorrhagic Fever but I can be persuaded otherwise.

Or maybe flayed.

Posted by: Tonypete at May 11, 2021 03:43 PM (Rvt88)

195 The silver lining in all of this is that the Chinese released, accidentally or deliberately, a virus that is only marginally worse than a typical flu. Had this been done with SARS, or something even worse, the results would have been catastrophic. Hopefully, we've learned a great deal about how to quickly spool up a vaccine response, and to NOT fund such research in China anymore.

Posted by: pep at May 11, 2021 03:43 PM (v16oJ)

196 @176

I believe your supposition is about as correct as we will every truly know.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 11, 2021 03:43 PM (E0ukh)

197 I've yet to see Trump proven wrong about ANYTHING.

He pushed super hard for the "vaccine" which I think is going to be shown to be... regrettable.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 11, 2021 03:43 PM (KZzsI)

198 so then, the entire country has been under the same standard of bio security for a year that was the standard of security that did not prevent the chinese bat thingy from getting out to begin with.

It did not stop it from getting out of wuhan but it is gong to stop it here

Posted by: confederatefifth at May 11, 2021 03:43 PM (cPlMq)

199 He was wrong to leave Fauxi in a position of influence. That is why we are in this mess today.
Posted by: creeper at May 11, 2021 03:41 PM (XxJt1)

I thought Trump couldn't fire Fauci.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 11, 2021 03:44 PM (HrMC1)

200 And DOJ will not be charging Fauci no matter how much he lies (see Hillary, Comey et al)

Posted by: CN at May 11, 2021 03:44 PM (ONvIw)

201 189 Something I heard from a number of people over the last year or so, is that covid seems to "go" after weaknesses in one's physiology, immunity. I do not know if that is how all flu viruses behave, or whether it is how all corona virus like SARS behave , but that one theme if consistent.
Posted by: runner at May 11, 2021 03:42 PM (V13WU)

The virus is not thinking, it just grows in places where it is conducive for it to do so. All viruses do this. People with weakened immune systems are a fertile ground for any virus.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:44 PM (lmikk)

202 More important though - wee knew all about this information 14 months ago and it was covered up.
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Yeah, this isn't all new. I can't remember where I read it, but there was a report that Fauci was funding the gain-of-function research during the Obama administration. They determined it was too dangerous and told him to stop it. He then continued the funding, but used two contracted companies to hide that fact.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 11, 2021 03:44 PM (sWM8x)

203 Lead. At 3,200 feet per second...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 11, 2021 03:35 PM (s2VJv)

Pretty fast round.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:36 PM (lmikk)

Poetic license. But you understood the reference.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 11, 2021 03:36 PM (s2VJv)

And I liked it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 11, 2021 03:44 PM (ifmtJ)

204 I've yet to see Trump proven wrong about ANYTHING.

He pushed super hard for the "vaccine" which I think is going to be shown to be... regrettable.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 11, 2021 03:43 PM (KZzsI)

Still, everyone wanted a vaccine. He helped get it done.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 11, 2021 03:44 PM (HrMC1)

205 I've yet to see Trump proven wrong about ANYTHING.

He pushed super hard for the "vaccine" which I think is going to be shown to be... regrettable.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 11, 2021 03:43 PM (KZzsI)

He wanted it available, but not forced upon us.

Posted by: LASue at May 11, 2021 03:44 PM (Ed8Zd)

206 The silver lining in all of this is that the Chinese released, accidentally or deliberately, a virus that is only marginally worse than a typical flu. Had this been done with SARS, or something even worse, the results would have been catastrophic. Hopefully, we've learned a great deal about how to quickly spool up a vaccine response, and to NOT fund such research in China anymore.
Posted by: pep at May 11, 2021 03:43 PM (v16oJ)
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Who's "we?" Our state actors haven't learned shit other than how to whip up a frenzy that allows them to seize power. Hell, they'd *welcome* a hyper-virulent Real McCoy bioweapon at this point.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 11, 2021 03:44 PM (Jsjd7)

207 I mean, I get the whole "let others know so they vote against this crap" but I mean... we all did, last time. And the Democrats crapped all over use and fixed the election so blatantly its obvious they were doing it daring us to react.

So what's the point of telling anyone anything? We all know.

you seem to underestimate the fun and the benefit of humiliating somebody

Posted by: confederatefifth at May 11, 2021 03:45 PM (cPlMq)

208 Fauci keeps saying he didn't fund it at Wuhan , NOT that he didn't fund it. Where was it developed and then transferred?

Posted by: CN at May 11, 2021 03:41 PM (ONvIw)
He, didn't. He funded EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Dr. Daszak's organization, a staunch and early proponent of the flimsy natural evolution theory of SARS2 creation, who then, with a wink and a nod, funded it at Wuhan. See article at 183, if you missed it.

Posted by: 4 at May 11, 2021 03:45 PM (KnJdm)

209 Fauci keeps saying he didn't fund it at Wuhan , NOT that he didn't fund it. Where was it developed and then transferred?

North Carolina. UNC?

Posted by: t-bird at May 11, 2021 03:45 PM (Ypqc1)

210
The warning "Made in China" is globally recognized as a sign of corner-cutting, cheap substitutions, absent quality-control, disregard for safety, shoddy craftsmanship and overall no-fucks-given execution.

All we wanted to do was to sell you our miracle chemical, MELAMINE, round-eyes! But would you buy it?

Noooooooooo!

-- CCP Fine Chemicals, a wholly owned subsidiary of the People's Army.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 11, 2021 03:45 PM (pNxlR)

211 Seriously, I would pay cash money for an 'edit post' feature.

Bleh, fat fingers.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 11, 2021 03:45 PM (ifmtJ)

212 So no, this was not a bio-weapon.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 11, 2021 03:34 PM (E0ukh)
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imagine you are a very large country, with a population imbalance of too many old people and not enough young people to support them: what better way to deal with that than a disease that is hardest on the old, especially smokers and those with a higher ACE2 receptor site percentage, such as asians. and one guess which country has the highest percentage of smokers?

Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated & we all know it. at May 11, 2021 03:46 PM (56iwG)

213 Equivocating about whether the US is currently funding gain-of-function research as opposed to whether it did during the period when covid was created -- Trump ended all funding in April 2020. But we funded this kind of Frankenstein-virus creation before that.

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Watch the next media move - trying to convince everyone that it's Trump's fault, he did it and then tried to hide it by cutting funding.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at May 11, 2021 03:46 PM (RMGKK)

214 Posted by: pep at May 11, 2021 03:43 PM (v16oJ)

It is not for nothing that this virus is SARS-Cov-2

Posted by: CN at May 11, 2021 03:46 PM (ONvIw)

215 I thought Trump couldn't fire Fauci.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 11, 2021 03:44 PM (HrMC1)He's the effing president. If he couldn't fire Fauxi directly he could have discredited him. Instead, he listened to him. And here we are.

Posted by: creeper at May 11, 2021 03:46 PM (XxJt1)

216 Viewed as an economic weapon meant to punish the USA for daring to wage tariff wars against the Middle Kingdom, this makes sense. The fact that it was usefully timed for an election is a side issue -- it didn't work for that, anyway.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 11, 2021 03:46 PM (KZzsI)

217 Seriously, I would pay cash money for an 'edit post' feature.

Bleh, fat fingers.
Posted by: M

you think that big barrel is going to ever agree to that?

Posted by: confederatefifth at May 11, 2021 03:46 PM (cPlMq)

218 If you have furin your cleavage site,You might be Bruce Jenner.

Posted by: Spork at May 11, 2021 03:36 PM (Tnijr)

*golf clap*

Posted by: 4 at May 11, 2021 03:46 PM (KnJdm)

219 "For the greater good."
-Hawaiian judge
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SHUT IT!!!

Posted by: Sgt. Nicholas Angel at May 11, 2021 03:46 PM (WGara)

220 He pushed super hard for the "vaccine" which I think is going to be shown to be... regrettable.

I think so too. I'm so scared for my kids. They've all had the damn vaccine.

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 11, 2021 03:46 PM (nxdel)

221 I've yet to see Trump proven wrong about ANYTHING.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 11, 2021 03:34 PM (HrMC1)
He was wrong to leave Fauxi in a position of influence. That is why we are in this mess today.
Posted by: creeper at May 11, 2021 03:41 PM (XxJt1)

He was wrong to trust Snack Barr. He was wrong to not disband the FBI. He was completely wrong in letting Scankles skate.

But the point is, when he predicted things, he was dead on. His blind spot was threefold - staffing, trust in "experts" and trust in a constitutional republic.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 11, 2021 03:46 PM (2JVJo)

222 WHO RUN BARTERTOWN?!!

Posted by: Fauci atop Biden's shoulders at May 11, 2021 03:47 PM (PpDo3)

223 211 Seriously, I would pay cash money for an 'edit post' feature.

Bleh, fat fingers.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 11, 2021 03:45 PM (ifmtJ)

Choose wisely before hitting 'post'.

Or, just do what I do and hit all the keys like a monkey on crack and let the pieces fall where they may.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:47 PM (lmikk)

224 Watch the next media move - trying to convince everyone that it's Trump's fault, he did it and then tried to hide it by cutting funding.
Posted by: President Select Decaf at May 11, 2021 03:46 PM (RMGKK)

When did funding START? Under Obama?

Posted by: JoeF. at May 11, 2021 03:47 PM (HrMC1)

225 I have tried posting a paragraph 5 different times without success so I am going to go watch Ingrid Bergman.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 11, 2021 03:47 PM (45fpk)

226 He, didn't. He funded EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Dr. Daszak's organization, a staunch and early proponent of the flimsy natural evolution theory of SARS2 creation, who then, with a wink and a nod, funded it at Wuhan. See article at 183, if you missed it.
Posted by: 4 at May 11, 2021 03:45 PM (KnJdm)

So he funded it via a shell game of sorts. It was "out sourced"

Posted by: CN at May 11, 2021 03:47 PM (ONvIw)

227 OT:

Looks like the A's are sick of the local Oakland government and have started looking, with MLB's blessing, for a new home.

But at least their mayor isn't a Republican, right people who rely on major sporting teams for your income?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 11, 2021 03:47 PM (LvTSG)

228 Bleh, fat fingers.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Don't fat shame! Fingers of weight - please!

Posted by: Tonypete at May 11, 2021 03:47 PM (Rvt88)

229 I am in the "it wasn't an op at first, but it became one" camp. I think at the very start, when all we had to go on was "new pathogen" and "dear G-d, look at China's response to this thing," we reacted bigly. It became an op no later than Easter of last year, when data started coming in and we better understood risks and treatments.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 11, 2021 03:40 PM (Jsjd7)

Me too. I think the Chinese had an "oh shit" moment, realizing that if they shut down their economy in particular would suffer, and then realized that if they just prevaricated for a while, the shit would spread and everybody's economy would suffer equally.

Meanwhile, the Democrats, looking at the booming Trump economy, and likely an electoral shellacking, suddenly had a light bulb go on over their heads.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021 03:47 PM (cE4C5)

230 Saw this morning in a article Fauci is The highest paid government employee

Posted by: Skip at May 11, 2021 03:47 PM (Cxk7w)

231 219 "For the greater good."
-Hawaiian judge
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SHUT IT!!!
Posted by: Sgt. Nicholas Angel at May 11, 2021 03:46 PM (WGara)

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Yarp...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 11, 2021 03:47 PM (LvTSG)

232 222 WHO RUN BARTERTOWN?!!
Posted by: Fauci atop Biden's shoulders at May 11, 2021 03:47 PM (PpDo3)

He actually does kind of look like Master of MasterBlaster.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:48 PM (lmikk)

233 @193

I mean we can go round and round over definitions but a virus that targets, near universally, the old and infirm while leaving the military aged population unscathed is not quite my idea of a bioweapon.

But having said that, China's population is very old, perhaps this was intended for internal purposes and then the light bulbs went off across Deep Donk and The CCP but again, we will probably never truly know the full story.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 11, 2021 03:48 PM (E0ukh)

234 So he funded it via a shell game of sorts.
Posted by: CN at May 11, 2021 03:47 PM (ONvIw)
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We call it "firewalling" or "ring-fencing." For classical definitions, see "money laundering."

Posted by: Scumbags at May 11, 2021 03:48 PM (Jsjd7)

235 >>> He was wrong to leave Fauxi in a position of influence. That is why we are in this mess today.
Posted by: creeper at May 11, 2021 03:41 PM (XxJt1)

This was Trump's head-shaped rat cage. He's a germaphobe. It all worked marvelously as Orwell predicted.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 11, 2021 03:48 PM (bYTQR)

236 Fauci perjures himself, knowing damn well that he can get away with it, because who is going to stop him?

Posted by: Anotheranon at May 11, 2021 03:48 PM (8Ze5j)

237 This was Trump's head-shaped rat cage. He's a germaphobe. It all worked marvelously as Orwell predicted.
Posted by: banana Dream
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Yep.

Posted by: SMH at May 11, 2021 03:48 PM (wparq)

238 170 That's Doctor Senator Paul, Doctor Fauci.
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at May 11, 2021 03:39 PM (xopIz)

Your name is Mister Doctor?

Posted by: Kaecilius at May 11, 2021 03:48 PM (BgMrQ)

239 Fauci is lying scum. It's beyond obvious by looking at him, he's a deeply dishonest sociopath, the type that doesn't even KNOW how to NOT LIE. he doesn't even think he's lying. and he's mad at the rest of the world - lesser beings - for EVER questioning him

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 11, 2021 03:48 PM (j9HX3)

240 Timothy Dalton might be the best part of that great movie.

'Let us drink to their demise!'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:49 PM (lmikk)

241 211 Seriously, I would pay cash money for an 'edit post' feature.

Bleh, fat fingers.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 11, 2021 03:45 PM (ifmtJ)

Choose wisely before hitting 'post'.

Or, just do what I do and hit all the keys like a monkey on crack and let the pieces fall where they may.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:47 PM (lmikk

I'd like to be able to delete a post. Either because of regret or self loathing or on the nobody cares principle.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 11, 2021 03:49 PM (cSyAR)

242 But the point is, when he predicted things, he was dead on. His blind spot was threefold - staffing, trust in "experts" and trust in a constitutional republic.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 11, 2021 03:46 PM (2JVJo)

That was my point.

On the important things, on the ones he made a big deal on, he was right.
ALWAYS

Of course he made mistakes, and when it comes to people he put in positions, remember he had a limited pool to choose from. Barr was terrible. But maybe anyone else would have ben 10X worse.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 11, 2021 03:49 PM (HrMC1)

243 Who's "we?" Our state actors haven't learned shit other than how to whip up a frenzy that allows them to seize power.
I won't debate the merits and dangers of the vaccine with you. That's been going on for more than a year around here, and no minds are changed. The "we" is the companies who actually have the knowledge and skill to develop a vaccine in months and mass manufacture it. I suspect that if a weaponized Ebola virus was released, and an experimental vaccine was available, most people would want it. "We" also means the people, some of whom are in the government, who would be responsible for figuring out how to distribute it. We should know how to do that. Just because politicians are doing their best to use it to gain power, doesn't mean they shouldn't.

Posted by: pep at May 11, 2021 03:49 PM (v16oJ)

244 He was wrong to leave Fauxi in a position of influence. That is why we are in this mess today.

Posted by: creeper at May 11, 2021 03:41 PM (XxJt1)

I thought Trump couldn't fire Fauci.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 11, 2021 03:44 PM (HrMC1)
\GOODORANGEMAN was in a no-win situation. I suspect that everything that is now reaching main stream - even though reported as early as March-April 2020 - was known within weeks of China's December 2019 report. I suspect it scared them witless invoking a nation-ending unrest scenario, and everything followed from that.

Posted by: 4 at May 11, 2021 03:50 PM (KnJdm)

245 240 Timothy Dalton might be the best part of that great movie.

'Let us drink to their demise!'
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:49 PM (lmikk)

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We rewatched it a week or so ago. It makes me warm and fuzzy on the inside.

All of Edgar Wright's movies are about schlubs fighting against indoctrination and group think. They're wonderfully refreshing.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 11, 2021 03:50 PM (LvTSG)

246 We call it "firewalling" or "ring-fencing." For classical definitions, see "money laundering."
Posted by: Scumbags at May 11, 2021 03:48 PM (Jsjd7)

As I said, he funded it, just not at wuhan, he funded it and the project was outsourced to wuhan. SO he covered the tracks a tad. He repeated that he did not fund it at wuhan too often and too loudly and too specifically.

Posted by: CN at May 11, 2021 03:50 PM (ONvIw)

247 Two notes.

I am not saying all journalism majors were idiots, only that most idiots ended up there. (I knew some kids who took that path for other reasons)

I do not think the release was intentional. I do think it was a bio-weapon, but not a good one (Chineseium). And it is very clear that their response was an act of war - spreading it around the world, disinformation, profiting off the chaos, weaponizing the supply chain and response, that wolf warrior bullshit. That was a HOT war phase of a decades long cold war China has had on the west.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at May 11, 2021 03:50 PM (idcaC)

248 He was wrong to leave Fauxi in a position of influence. That is why we are in this mess today.
Posted by: creeper at May 11, 2021 03:41 PM (XxJt1)

Politically, he had no choice. If he sacked Fauci, the MSM would've hung every COVID death around Trump's neck, claiming that if Fauci had been in charge, none of this would have happened. And it would have been plausible, and impossible to prove the counterfactual.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021 03:50 PM (XlpYx)

249 209 Fauci keeps saying he didn't fund it at Wuhan , NOT that he didn't fund it. Where was it developed and then transferred?

North Carolina. UNC?
Posted by: t-bird at May 11, 2021 03:45 PM (Ypqc1)

Don't look at us. It was Canada.

Posted by: Dr. Charles Lieber and The Singing Chinamen at Harvard at May 11, 2021 03:50 PM (YReMH)

250 When did funding START? Under Obama?
Posted by: JoeF. at May 11, 2021 03:47 PM (HrMC1)

Dr Baric has been in the business for 30+ years. Shi left UNC in 2015.

Posted by: golfman at May 11, 2021 03:51 PM (/5BXs)

251

I paid to have my asshole wrecked by gay satanic baby eaters, so why is it so unusual to think that our government would pay to have our country wrecked?

Hell, most of them are the same people!

Posted by: B. Gates, Esq. at May 11, 2021 03:51 PM (7GXFj)

252 I won't debate the merits and dangers of the vaccine with you. That's been going on for more than a year around here, and no minds are changed. The "we" is the companies who actually have the knowledge and skill to develop a vaccine in months and mass manufacture it. I suspect that if a weaponized Ebola virus was released, and an experimental vaccine was available, most people would want it. "We" also means the people, some of whom are in the government, who would be responsible for figuring out how to distribute it. We should know how to do that. Just because politicians are doing their best to use it to gain power, doesn't mean they shouldn't.
Posted by: pep at May 11, 2021 03:49 PM (v16oJ)
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Fair enough. My point, I suppose (if I had one at all, other than rage at the shitheels running things), is that the wrong lessons are going to be the sticky ones.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 11, 2021 03:51 PM (Jsjd7)

253 yes if you guys remember I was saying that when this all started - "oh God, they have Trump with this, this is his weakness..."

and weeping and banging my head against the wall for the EIGHT MONTHS that PA was locked down

sigh

the other weakness Trump has is admitting when he's wrong. that ALSO didn't help things, and still hasn't. and Trump isn't alone - this is all being perpetuated by people who now HAVE to believe the lies of Fauci, because to believe otherwise would be to admit a truth that is far too painful...

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 11, 2021 03:51 PM (j9HX3)

254 @247

I agree with this assessment.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 11, 2021 03:51 PM (E0ukh)

255 Rand should have asked him if he funded coronavirus gain of function anywhere, and then he could have snagged him

Posted by: CN at May 11, 2021 03:51 PM (ONvIw)

256 The thing is, China's reaction to whatever was in Wuhan was far FAR out of line with how bad this stuff is. THat suggests three possibilities to me:

1) What got out of the lab then was way worse than this stuff
2) They THOUGHT what got out of the lab was way worse than this stuff
3) It was all theater to terrify western nations into taking drastic action

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 11, 2021 03:51 PM (KZzsI)

257 Gain-a-Function...
So, if an 'ette gets a bewb job, its like Gain-a-Bewb?

Posted by: Diogenes at May 11, 2021 03:52 PM (axyOa)

258 So he funded it via a shell game of sorts. It was "out sourced"

Posted by: CN at May 11, 2021 03:47 PM (ONvIw)

Yep, and he is dishonestly and in-artfully denying it.

Posted by: 4 at May 11, 2021 03:52 PM (KnJdm)

259 237 This was Trump's head-shaped rat cage. He's a germaphobe. It all worked marvelously as Orwell predicted.
Posted by: banana Dream
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Yep.
Posted by: SMH at May 11, 2021 03:48 PM (wparq)

Agree. He refused to connect the dots.

Posted by: Justsayin' at May 11, 2021 03:52 PM (Fs5vw)

260 In my house his name is "rat-faced m'fer. He is the cause of many ruined lives. There is a special hell reserved for him.

Posted by: four seasons at May 11, 2021 03:52 PM (PisyI)

261 Dr Kary Mullis, Nobel Prize winner, inventor of the PCR (which he urged NOT be used as a diagnostic technique) talks about Dr. Anthony Fauci

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oza1j2_WqBk

Posted by: Bozo Conservative ....Living on the prison planet at May 11, 2021 03:52 PM (vcOmj)

262 Me too. I think the Chinese had an "oh shit" moment, realizing that if
they shut down their economy in particular would suffer, and then
realized that if they just prevaricated for a while, the shit would
spread and everybody's economy would suffer equally.
Agree.

Posted by: pep at May 11, 2021 03:53 PM (v16oJ)

263 1) What got out of the lab then was way worse than this stuff
2) They THOUGHT what got out of the lab was way worse than this stuff
3) It was all theater to terrify western nations into taking drastic action
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 11, 2021 03:51 PM (KZzsI)

The disinfecting the streets in hazmat gear was quite theatrical.

Posted by: CN at May 11, 2021 03:53 PM (ONvIw)

264 if you guys remember I was saying that when this all started - "oh God, they have Trump with this, this is his weakness..."

Yeah, sadly he was not wise when it came to this, he really fell for it all

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 11, 2021 03:53 PM (KZzsI)

265 We may need to contract a shaman from South American with a quiver of darts tipped in curare to bring down and subdue Fauci before he unleashes global Armageddon.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 11, 2021 03:53 PM (2goRJ)

266 Trump was killing it on the border and the economy. He was large and in charge, despite every attempt by Dems to take him down.

And then he caved. It's as though he took leave of his senses. Everything he had worked for for three years was lost when he listened to Fauxi.

Posted by: creeper at May 11, 2021 03:53 PM (XxJt1)

267 thought Trump couldn't fire Fauci.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 11, 2021 03:44 PM (HrMC1)He's the effing president. If he couldn't fire Fauxi directly he could have discredited him. Instead, he listened to him. And here we are.
Posted by: creeper at May 11, 2021 03:46 PM (XxJt1)

We have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.
If Trump fired Fauci, they would have impeached him yet again. And if it was last May when bodies were piling up, a panicky GOP might have voted to remove him.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 11, 2021 03:53 PM (HrMC1)

268 All of Edgar Wright's movies are about schlubs fighting against indoctrination and group think. They're wonderfully refreshing.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 11, 2021 03:50 PM (LvTSG)

I need to rewatch At the World's End. I remember watching it the first time and thinking it was not as endlessly rewatchable as Hot Fuzz.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:54 PM (lmikk)

269 Agree creeper.

Posted by: four seasons at May 11, 2021 03:54 PM (PisyI)

270 I saw Furan Cleavage Site in Cannes France in the mid 1980's.

Wow

Posted by: torabora at May 11, 2021 03:54 PM (Y274z)

271 \GOODORANGEMAN was in a no-win situation. I suspect that everything that is now reaching main stream - even though reported as early as March-April 2020 - was known within weeks of China's December 2019 report. I suspect it scared them witless invoking a nation-ending unrest scenario, and everything followed from that.
Posted by: 4 at May 11, 2021 03:50 PM (KnJdm)

The Golden Scalpweasel was very outspoken at the early pressers blaming everything on the chinks and cutting off flights to and from, horrifyingly the enemedia with XENOPHOBIA. It was Pelosi Galore who went into protect the red yellow horde mode.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 11, 2021 03:55 PM (y7DUB)

272 And then he caved. It's as though he took leave of his senses. Everything he had worked for for three years was lost when he listened to Fauxi.
Posted by: creeper at May 11, 2021 03:53 PM (XxJt1)
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It was his Kryptonite. Trumptonite.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at May 11, 2021 03:55 PM (WGara)

273 268 All of Edgar Wright's movies are about schlubs fighting against indoctrination and group think. They're wonderfully refreshing.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 11, 2021 03:50 PM (LvTSG)

I need to rewatch At the World's End. I remember watching it the first time and thinking it was not as endlessly rewatchable as Hot Fuzz.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:54 PM (lmikk)

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I think it works better on rewatches. The movie is structured really precisely, and a lot of the joy is in realizing how much is foreshadowed and repeated in different contexts and with different meanings.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 11, 2021 03:56 PM (LvTSG)

274 Supposedly the theory goes that if they can anticipate what new mutations a virus may undertake, we can develop vaccines for them before they even come into existence.

the fact that we keep releasing these fucking frankenviruses accidentally means that these idiots have to reevaluate the cost-benefit analysis here

Ace
==
Well Sir, if you are an enterprising young vaccine salesman, and you know that China's labs leak like a sieve, and you can also fund gain of function research out of a Chinese lab, knowing what they are tinkering with, you have a "leg up" on producing and MRNA "vaccine" and then in essence a perpetual money making machine.

Of course you'd have to be an order of magnitude sociopath, with order of magnitude sociopath friends in top levels of pharma companies . . .

Posted by: You may call me Tony, the salesman at May 11, 2021 03:56 PM (sKIZ3)

275 I do not think the release was intentional. I do think it was a bio-weapon, but not a good one (Chineseium). And it is very clear that their response was an act of war - spreading it around the world, disinformation, profiting off the chaos, weaponizing the supply chain and response, that wolf warrior bullshit.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at May 11, 2021 03:50 PM (idcaC)

I don't think it was intentional, by any means. I think their response was opportunistic, and perhaps motivated in considerable measure by a desire not to lose face (tres important in Asian cultures) by having screwed up.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021 03:56 PM (XlpYx)

276 You all know Fauci goes to bathhouses to watch men have sex with other men.

Then he goes home and writes it up in some journal he keeps.

Posted by: torabora at May 11, 2021 03:56 PM (Y274z)

277 And BTW

You have to account for every penny on these grants. All money is traced, especially money sent to sub contractors. In fact, every hour of time spent by all involved is traced.

I have worked on gov. funded research grants, both as the PI, a sub grant, and a researcher. At the end of the grant you give them all the accounting. Fauci got a report showing x amount of money to Wuhan, and he also could tell from there that they spent 0 amount of time and money in Level 3 or Level 4 labs.

And I bet dollars to donuts those reports use the term "gain of function". In grant proposals, and final reports. In fauci's hands, and with his signature.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at May 11, 2021 03:57 PM (idcaC)

278 All of Edgar Wright's movies are about schlubs fighting against indoctrination and group think. They're wonderfully refreshing.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 11, 2021 03:50 PM (LvTSG)

Isn't the third movie about how schulbs fuck up and end the world?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 11, 2021 03:57 PM (ifmtJ)

279 @235

Perhaps, I believe Trump knew the score but that Deep Donk hit on the perfect Op and largely trapped Trump in a Bat Shaped Box, which is why he pushed the vaccine angle so hard, he saw that as a way out of the box.

Which is why every vaccine provider decided to delay the release and distribution of the vaccine until after the election.

Trump faced the panopticon, he didn't stand a chance.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 11, 2021 03:57 PM (E0ukh)

280 So, here's a fun activity: go to DuckDuckGo and search for "magnet sticks to arm" and see what you get.

And yes, this is somewhat related to this post.

Posted by: shibumi at May 11, 2021 03:57 PM (Ve6n5)

281 This seems like a meaty avenue of inquiry for a person that would dig deeply, and honestly, into the all facets of matter at hand. Following the money trail would be fascinating and instructive.

In days passed, we called those folks investigative reporters. Too bad they are now largely extinct or bared from 'news' outlets.

Posted by: Tonypete at May 11, 2021 03:57 PM (Rvt88)

282 >>> I need to rewatch At the World's End. I remember watching it the first time and thinking it was not as endlessly rewatchable as Hot Fuzz.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:54 PM (lmikk)

I didn't think it was as good. I hadn't seen Hot Fuzz when I watched At the World's End. I thought it was mostly funny. But Hot Fuzz really had me cracking up so much.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 11, 2021 03:58 PM (bYTQR)

283 Trump didn't lose the election because of his handling of Covid. He lost because of ballot FRAUD. Mail-in and computer fraud.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at May 11, 2021 03:58 PM (xopIz)

284 And I bet dollars to donuts those reports use the term "gain of function". In grant proposals, and final reports. In fauci's hands, and with his signature.

oh yes, and I think Sen Paul has seen these documents, as well.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 11, 2021 03:58 PM (j9HX3)

285 I think it works better on rewatches. The movie is structured really precisely, and a lot of the joy is in realizing how much is foreshadowed and repeated in different contexts and with different meanings.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 11, 2021 03:56 PM (LvTSG)
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Hot Fuzz deconstructs every cop action movie trope in the first two acts and then reconstructs them in the third act. Plus, the firing of all the Chekhov's Gun's set up in the first part of the movie becomes deafening.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at May 11, 2021 03:58 PM (WGara)

286 And I bet dollars to donuts those reports use the term "gain of function". In grant proposals, and final reports. In fauci's hands, and with his signature.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at May 11, 2021 03:57 PM (idcaC)
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Too bad it doesn't matter. I wish it did and that there would be not only consequences but blistering public rage ending in torches and pitchforks.

But if wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 11, 2021 03:58 PM (Jsjd7)

287 Walmart trip today. A morbidly obese Karen, who's fat rolls were hanging over the electric cart told my husband to pull his mask over his nose. He asked her if she is the f'NG hall monitor. She got all huffy, lol.

Posted by: four seasons at May 11, 2021 03:58 PM (PisyI)

288 I think their response was opportunistic, and perhaps motivated in
considerable measure by a desire not to lose face (tres important in
Asian cultures) by having screwed up.
I thought losing face was restricted to leprosy.

Posted by: pep at May 11, 2021 03:58 PM (v16oJ)

289 Fauci has been in charge of Covid since day 1, every death is on him.

Posted by: Skip at May 11, 2021 03:59 PM (Cxk7w)

290 Forgive my dumbassery but somebody please define gain of function for me.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 11, 2021 03:59 PM (cSyAR)

291 Isn't the third movie about how schulbs fuck up and end the world?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 11, 2021 03:57 PM (ifmtJ)

Actually, they still save what can be saved, considering.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 03:59 PM (lmikk)

292 If he couldn't fire Fauxi directly he could have discredited him. Instead, he listened to him. And here we are.
Posted by: creeper at May 11, 2021 03:46 PM (XxJt1)

We have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.
If Trump fired Fauci, they would have impeached him yet again. And if it was last May when bodies were piling up, a panicky GOP might have voted to remove him.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 11, 2021 03:53 PM (HrMC1)

The scene: a parallel universe where Trump fired Fauci.

MSM: "Trump fired the most highly regarded public health official for not following the Trump line, and look at all the bodies piling up! He's directly responsible for all those deaths! They could ALL have been prevented if this anti-science nitwit had just listened to the expert!"

And what could Trump say in response?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021 03:59 PM (XlpYx)

293 Forgive my dumbassery but somebody please define gain of function for me.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 11, 2021 03:59 PM (cSyAR)
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I think Ace did a decent job in the post:
"Gain-of-function" is the deliberately anodyne jargon for giving a virus a potent new ability it didn't have -- like altering the protein spikes of a bat virus so that it can infect humans.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 11, 2021 04:00 PM (Jsjd7)

294 290 Forgive my dumbassery but somebody please define gain of function for me.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 11, 2021 03:59 PM (cSyAR)

ace does in the post. Essentially, giving a disease a new ability or 'functionality' it did not have before.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 04:00 PM (lmikk)

295 The Golden Scalpweasel was very outspoken at the early pressers blaming everything on the chinks and cutting off flights to and from, horrifyingly the enemedia with XENOPHOBIA. It was Pelosi Galore who went into protect the red yellow horde mode.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at May 11, 2021 03:55 PM (y7DUB)

Trump probably already had access to information that is only now coming out. He knew it was CHY-NAH

Posted by: JoeF. at May 11, 2021 04:00 PM (HrMC1)

296 10 PMAGS for sale for $120 on gunmagwarehouse

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 11, 2021 04:00 PM (ifmtJ)

297 278 All of Edgar Wright's movies are about schlubs fighting against indoctrination and group think. They're wonderfully refreshing.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 11, 2021 03:50 PM (LvTSG)

Isn't the third movie about how schulbs fuck up and end the world?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 11, 2021 03:57 PM (ifmtJ)

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It's about defeating Starbucks. Sort of.

It takes the "humanity is a child race" conceit from Arthur C. Clarke and runs with it, embracing the idea but saying that's where our humanity originates. The aliens can't get humans to voluntarily join in their collective because we can't completely abandon out individuality, our ability to fuck up, needing to convert the whole town into blanks instead.

I don't agree with the ending that all of our technology would get wiped out and we'd instantly go back to the stone age (it doesn't make a whole lot of sense), but the heart of it has this wonderfully enthusiastic pro-people attitude that's really nice.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 11, 2021 04:00 PM (LvTSG)

298 Me too. I think the Chinese had an "oh shit" moment, realizing that if
they shut down their economy in particular would suffer, and then
realized that if they just prevaricated for a while, the shit would
spread and everybody's economy would suffer equally.
Agree.
==
also, if you're the Chinese, and you suspect something fishy vis a vis a certain elfish vaccine salesman and his free money, and pharma pals waiting in the wings but can't prove it. You're more likely to feel better about the pox hitting the whole world rather than just your corner of it, in hopes that somebody will take a look at the evilest elf of them all. But so far, no real problems!

Posted by: You may call me Tony, the salesman at May 11, 2021 04:00 PM (KUe/D)

299 And what could Trump say in response?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021 03:59 PM (XlpYx)

'Fuck off, Swampy'?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 04:01 PM (lmikk)

300 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021 03:59 PM (XlpYx)

I don't necessarily disagree with you. Doing the right thing is hard. That's what separates the good from the great.

Posted by: Can't help myself at May 11, 2021 04:01 PM (2DOZq)

301 280 So, here's a fun activity: go to DuckDuckGo and search for "magnet sticks to arm" and see what you get.

And yes, this is somewhat related to this post.
Posted by: shibumi at May 11, 2021 03:57 PM (Ve6n5)

I've seen that. And weep for the level of science education in this country.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021 04:01 PM (XlpYx)

302 285 Hot Fuzz deconstructs every cop action movie trope in the first two acts and then reconstructs them in the third act. Plus, the firing of all the Chekhov's Gun's set up in the first part of the movie becomes deafening.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at May 11, 2021 03:58 PM (WGara)

==========

This is as good a summary as could be written of the movie.

Bravo.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 11, 2021 04:01 PM (LvTSG)

303 10 PMAGS for sale for $120 on gunmagwarehouse
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

3rd gen with window or 2nd gen without?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 11, 2021 04:01 PM (OCTRt)

304 oh yes, and I think Sen Paul has seen these documents, as well.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 11, 2021 03:58 PM (j9HX3)

Me too. And he failed to nail him because he didn't want to do it. If he knew it was funded via a different organization via Daszak, he should have said and asked Fauci directly. We are being toyed with.

Posted by: CN at May 11, 2021 04:01 PM (ONvIw)

305 All weapons need not be killers. They just have to be effective for their designed purpose. This virus crippled the world economy, and profoundly affected the West, to the express betterment of China.
Posted by: Revenant at May 11, 2021 03:37 PM (C35Jn)

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I believe the ensuing panic was the real goal of the whole exercise.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at May 11, 2021 04:01 PM (RMGKK)

306 299 And what could Trump say in response?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021 03:59 PM (XlpYx)

'Fuck off, Swampy'?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 04:01 PM (lmikk)

MSM: "Today President Trump buffed his credentials as a closed-minded science denier by ..."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021 04:02 PM (XlpYx)

307 The scene: a parallel universe where Trump fired Fauci.

MSM: "Trump fired the most highly regarded public health official for not following the Trump line, and look at all the bodies piling up! He's directly responsible for all those deaths! They could ALL have been prevented if this anti-science nitwit had just listened to the expert!"

And what could Trump say in response?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021

03:59 PM (XlpYx)

Exactly. Why can't those on our side see this?

Posted by: JoeF. at May 11, 2021 04:02 PM (HrMC1)

308 I don't agree with the ending that all of our technology would get wiped out and we'd instantly go back to the stone age (it doesn't make a whole lot of sense), but the heart of it has this wonderfully enthusiastic pro-people attitude that's really nice.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 11, 2021 04:00 PM (LvTSG)

They forget the whole steam power and even jet and space age before the internet.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 04:02 PM (lmikk)

309 10 PMAGS for sale for $120 on gunmagwarehouse
Posted by: M

use metal mags

Posted by: confederatefifth at May 11, 2021 04:02 PM (cPlMq)

310

Wonder what happened to those poor bastards welded into their apartments, and why did the CCP know that they were the ones...

Oh well.

Posted by: Senator Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller, Lesbian at May 11, 2021 04:02 PM (NuVOb)

311 >>> So, here's a fun activity: go to DuckDuckGo and search for "magnet sticks to arm" and see what you get.

And yes, this is somewhat related to this post.
Posted by: shibumi at May 11, 2021 03:57 PM (Ve6n5)

Seems a little contrails and HAARP ish but this is crazy time so who knows.

Posted by: banana Dream at May 11, 2021 04:02 PM (bYTQR)

312 308 I don't agree with the ending that all of our technology would get wiped out and we'd instantly go back to the stone age (it doesn't make a whole lot of sense), but the heart of it has this wonderfully enthusiastic pro-people attitude that's really nice.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 11, 2021 04:00 PM (LvTSG)

They forget the whole steam power and even jet and space age before the internet.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 04:02 PM (lmikk)

========

Yeah. An EMP would wipe out a lot, but it would keep nuclear power plants from the 70s from coming back online.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 11, 2021 04:02 PM (LvTSG)

313 wouldn't*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a dangerous profession with a Hawksian woman at my side at May 11, 2021 04:02 PM (LvTSG)

314
Trump went after China, but how much did he know early on about who paid for the development of bat viruses?

Posted by: CN at May 11, 2021 04:03 PM (ONvIw)

315 MSM: "Today President Trump buffed his credentials as a closed-minded science denier by ..."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021 04:02 PM (XlpYx)

Hah. They'd do that no matter what he said though.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 04:03 PM (lmikk)

316 Did somebody say cleavage?

Posted by: MAGA (stop the steal link in this nic) at May 11, 2021 04:03 PM (eMEkg)

317 the fact that we keep releasing these fucking frankenviruses accidentally means that these idiots have to reevaluate the cost-benefit analysis here

Either that or its not particularly accidental

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 11, 2021 04:03 PM (KZzsI)

318 256
2) They THOUGHT what got out of the lab was way worse than this stuff
Posted by: Christopher Taylor

This is true. I think China thought it was going to be very bad, but they quickly saw that it wasn't. I mean, they knew that by Jan or Feb, so it is not an excuse. After that it was theater.

BUT, the West all acted on the assumption that it was SARS -- hard to transmit, but very deadly. They used the SARS playbook, not having any other information. The thing about SARS was that it only becomes infectious when patient has high fever so you scan at the airport and catch everyone. The few who made it to the West infected very few before collapsing in hospitals, and the biggest risk was to HCWs once there.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at May 11, 2021 04:03 PM (idcaC)

319 Forgive my dumbassery but somebody please define gain of function for me.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 11, 2021 03:59 PM (cSyAR)

ace does in the post. Essentially, giving a disease a new ability or 'functionality' it did not have before.
==
so like making it a lot more contagious
or making it airborne as opposed to maybe just spread by bodily fluids things like that.

I mean, in a perfect world you want something that will make everyone potentially pretty sick but not die, but kill enough people to scare everyone into thinking they need a vaccine. And then, I'm your man . . . Its elegant I must say.

Posted by: You may call me Tony, the salesman at May 11, 2021 04:04 PM (sKIZ3)

320 I don't necessarily disagree with you. Doing the right thing is hard. That's what separates the good from the great.
Posted by: Can't help myself at May 11, 2021 04:01 PM (2DOZq)

Yeah, but two things: one, at the time, we didn't know what we know now.

And two, Trump would have impeached for firing Fauci, and he might have convicted if the MSM successfully hung the death toll around his neck. Now would they do that? Imagine the clicks and eyeballs they would get from that. It'd make Watergate look like nothing.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021 04:04 PM (XlpYx)

321 Either that or its not particularly accidental
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 11, 2021 04:03 PM (KZzsI)
++++
That doesn't necessarily imply deliberation. There is a third possibility, and it is perhaps most likely. That possibility is that they're lackadaisical about security and safety procedures because they don't really care.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 11, 2021 04:04 PM (Jsjd7)

322 You all know Fauci goes to bathhouses to watch men have sex with other men.

Then he goes home and writes it up in some journal he keeps.
Posted by: torabora at May 11, 2021 03:56 PM (Y274z)

Does he write it up using white "ink?"

Posted by: JoeF. at May 11, 2021 04:04 PM (HrMC1)

323 Either that or its not particularly accidental
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 11, 2021 04:03 PM (KZzsI)

Sort of Social Darwinism

Posted by: CN at May 11, 2021 04:04 PM (ONvIw)

324 the gain of function thing is not inherently bad

Posted by: confederatefifth at May 11, 2021 04:05 PM (cPlMq)

325 What are the odds that gain-of-function bat virus started infecting people from the one place in China where they were experimenting on gain-of-function bat virus?
It really is that simple.

Posted by: Zek at May 11, 2021 04:05 PM (5RTdG)

326 Well, at least it cured the flu.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 11, 2021 03:40 PM (Y5qcH)

------------------

It seems deaths from other causes are down too. Multipurpose is what it is.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at May 11, 2021 04:05 PM (RMGKK)

327 If it comes out of China, it is.

Posted by: SMH at May 11, 2021 04:05 PM (wparq)

328 > Walmart trip today. A morbidly obese Karen, who's fat rolls were hanging over the electric cart told my husband to pull his mask over his nose. He asked her if she is the f'NG hall monitor. She got all huffy, lol.

https://bit.ly/2RcOaqP

Posted by: bonhomme at May 11, 2021 04:05 PM (YYlyE)

329 10 PMAGS for sale for $120 on gunmagwarehouse
Posted by: M

use metal mags
Posted by: confederatefifth at May 11, 2021 04:02 PM (cPlMq)

Use what works for you, PMAGs work better than the old GI mags do.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 11, 2021 04:06 PM (ifmtJ)

330 >>>somebody please define gain of function for me.<<<
>Consider anthrax, a bacterium, that can be posted in a letter and sent thru the mail service.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 11, 2021 04:06 PM (2goRJ)

331 Hah. They'd do that no matter what he said though.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 11, 2021 04:03 PM (lmikk)

Yeah, but ... they'd have had a much more convincing argument. This way Fauci et al. provided cover for Trump. He was doing what the experts advised. Tough to nail him for that.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021 04:06 PM (XlpYx)

332 What are the odds that gain-of-function bat virus started infecting people from the one place in China where they were experimenting on gain-of-function bat virus?
It really is that simple.

LOL. Bat virus shows up in market. Market is really near Level 4 biolab specializing in bat viruses. CCP biolabs have a history of accidents. I put this together when it first happened.

Posted by: shibumi at May 11, 2021 04:07 PM (kFA7a)

333 We were not undone by Dr. Evil but instead by Dr. Weasel!

Posted by: Pete Bog at May 11, 2021 04:07 PM (VFWX5)

334 The Epoch Times was running pieces in early 2020 about how this virus was created and released from the Wuhan lab.

Then it was deliberately spread by the Chinese gubmint throughout the world by allowing Chinese tourists to leave China, while internally they instituted nationwide lockdowns.

the ET was then, of course, labeled as spreading misinformation.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 11, 2021 04:07 PM (F0YaR)

335 3rd gen with window or 2nd gen without?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 11, 2021 04:01 PM (OCTRt)

3rd gen, no window but with mag cover

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 11, 2021 04:07 PM (ifmtJ)

336 MSM: "Trump fired the most highly regarded public health official for not following the Trump line, and look at all the bodies piling up! He's directly responsible for all those deaths! They could ALL have been prevented if this anti-science nitwit had just listened to the expert!"

And what could Trump say in response?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021

Oh, give me a break. The media had been screaming ORANGEMANBAD for three years and no one was listening. See: two failed impeachment attempts. All of a sudden Trump is going to start worrying about media coverage? It's already shit.

Posted by: creeper at May 11, 2021 04:07 PM (XxJt1)

337 the fact that we keep releasing these fucking frankenviruses accidentally means that these idiots have to reevaluate the cost-benefit analysis here

Either that or its not particularly accidental
==
Well phrased. You see it was, I suppose, accidental that the lab would leak it. They are just sloppy, really. We, however, planned on them having that "accident", as it were. We paid them to fiddle, and told them what to fiddle with and got reports on what it was doing. So we were "ready" when the leak occurred. And then stepped in with a couple of wonderful product offerings!

Posted by: You may call me Tony, the salesman at May 11, 2021 04:08 PM (8gPhE)

338
Someone here suggested we call him Fucki.

Fausti also works.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at May 11, 2021 04:08 PM (RbGzi)

339 Use what works for you, PMAGs work better than the old GI mags do.
Posted by: M

that was my thought too, however, I know some guys that used mags for work and have bery high round counts through their guns that say they quit using anything but metl becuse the other than metl mags wear from friction over time.

Posted by: confederatefifth at May 11, 2021 04:08 PM (cPlMq)

340 "One thing that makes me scream to myself is the media's smug insistence that the threat of "disinformation" is too grave to allow them to report in a balanced way about both sides of a story, and it's their job"

-

sort of like how they treated 9-11, the images thereof, but not the anti-W conspiracy theories emanating therefrom

Posted by: Tim Riggins at May 11, 2021 04:08 PM (k9FU0)

341
She got all huffy, lol.

https://bit.ly/2RcOaqP
Posted by: bonhomme

Huffier, you meant to say.

She's the huffier heifer.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 11, 2021 04:08 PM (pNxlR)

342 Sean Parnell expected to run in Pennsylvania for open U.S. Senate seat

He got robbed of a win against a Dem in a House race last year.

Posted by: Mark1971 at May 11, 2021 04:08 PM (xPl2J)

343 somebody please define gain of function for me.

Look for one of my pharmaceutical science clips on the 'toob.

Posted by: Bob Dole at May 11, 2021 04:08 PM (DMUuz)

344 Oh man, the USPS is really on top of things recently. I have a package coming from Florida. In the past four days, it has made it a whopping 30 miles.

You know, a lot of people shit on the USPS and it deserves a fair amount of that, but prior to about September of last year, they actually did a better job than most people give them credit for. It's like they blew up the entire thing in the run-up to the election.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 11, 2021 04:08 PM (Jsjd7)

345 That doesn't necessarily imply deliberation. There is a third possibility, and it is perhaps most likely. That possibility is that they're lackadaisical about security and safety procedures because they don't really care.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 11, 2021 04:04 PM (Jsjd7)

I've flown on CAAC, the Chicom airline, and I kissed the ground after I got off the plane. CAAC made Aeroflot look neurotic about safety.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021 04:08 PM (XlpYx)

346
Someone correct me: Faust was Lucifer, or an agent of Satan in some literary work?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at May 11, 2021 04:09 PM (RbGzi)

347
Which is why every vaccine provider decided to delay the release and distribution of the vaccine until after the election.

Trump faced the panopticon, he didn't stand a chance.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 11, 2021 03:57 PM (E0ukh

Your wrong. Trump won the election overwhelmingly. What the China flu did was open the doors to blatant, unprecedented election fraud.

Posted by: Justsayin' at May 11, 2021 04:09 PM (Fs5vw)

348 3rd gen, no window but with mag cover
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Sweet. $12 ea is a damn good price.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 11, 2021 04:10 PM (OCTRt)

349 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021 04:04 PM (XlpYx)

Disagree. We knew immediately that Fauci lied about AIDS. We know he lied about masks . We know he lied about HCQ. And the insiders knew his connections to the Wuhan lab and vaxes. And we also knew he was a Democrat operative, We also knew that Neil Ferguson was a crank. Trump could have replaced Fauci with someone much more qualified.

Posted by: Can't help myself at May 11, 2021 04:10 PM (2DOZq)

350 So what's the point of telling anyone anything? We all know.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 11, 2021 03:42 PM (KZzsI)

--------------------

We here know but the "we" as in society do not know because the media has been misleading those "we".

Posted by: President Select Decaf at May 11, 2021 04:10 PM (RMGKK)

351 Someone correct me: Faust was Lucifer, or an agent of Satan in some literary work?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at May 11, 2021 04:09 PM (RbGzi)

Faust, by Gothe, was a 'scientist' who makes a deal with the devil.

Hilarity ensues.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 11, 2021 04:10 PM (ifmtJ)

352 Yeah I loved how in Hot Fuzz every single false start and mistaken moment ends up being... true in the end

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 11, 2021 04:10 PM (KZzsI)

353 > Does he write it up using white "ink?"

There's a (possibly true) legend Brit spies investigated whether one can make invisible ink from cum, but abandoned the project for fear of the smell, and female spies couldn't produce the "ink" on demand.

https://bit.ly/2Q8bRA6

Posted by: bonhomme at May 11, 2021 04:10 PM (YYlyE)

354 346
Someone correct me: Faust was Lucifer, or an agent of Satan in some literary work?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at May 11, 2021 04:09 PM (RbGzi)

No he was tempted successfully by the devil to sign a faustian pact.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at May 11, 2021 04:11 PM (z5Vrg)

355 Oh, give me a break. The media had been screaming ORANGEMANBAD for three years and no one was listening. See: two failed impeachment attempts. All of a sudden Trump is going to start worrying about media coverage? It's already shit.
Posted by: creeper at May 11, 2021 04:07 PM (XxJt1)

"Failed" being the operative word. The Reds would have had a plausible argument for conviction if he'd fired Fauci and then was blamed for COVID deaths. Every chick in the country would have held him responsible.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021 04:11 PM (XlpYx)

356 That doesn't necessarily imply deliberation. There is a third possibility, and it is perhaps most likely. That possibility is that they're lackadaisical about security and safety procedures because they don't really care.
===
I don't know that you can say the "don't really care" although culturally life is a bit cheaper there than here. We knew it would leak. Its a function of time only. When it leaked, we made sure it had been tweeked the way we wanted it tweaked, because that's what we paid for. We bought it. And because it was designed to spec, we had a vax strategy pretty well set up to go. You're welcome world!

Posted by: You may call me Tony, the salesman at May 11, 2021 04:11 PM (TzXwW)

357 use metal mags
Posted by: confederatefifth at May 11, 2021 04:02 PM (cPlMq)

Use what works for you, PMAGs work better than the old GI mags do.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 11, 2021 04:06 PM (ifmtJ)

Gentlemen, gentleman. Diversity is OUR strength. Lay in enough of each.

Posted by: 4 at May 11, 2021 04:12 PM (KnJdm)

358 Got a sample Epoch times in mail today, going to read it

Posted by: Skip at May 11, 2021 04:12 PM (Cxk7w)

359 Does he write it up using white "ink?"
Posted by: JoeF. at May 11, 2021 04:04 PM

In a pinch, like milk, that can be used as an invisible ink.

Posted by: Bob from NSA at May 11, 2021 04:12 PM (DMUuz)

360
Faust, by Gothe, was a 'scientist' who makes a deal with the devil.

Hilarity ensues.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Even better.

Then Dr. Fausti is fitting.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at May 11, 2021 04:12 PM (RbGzi)

361 Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea,

*ahem* Chekhov used a phaser.

Posted by: callsign claymore at May 11, 2021 04:12 PM (KmkAz)

362 Ian Malcolm:

Your scientists were so concerned about if they could, they never bothered to ask if they should.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 11, 2021 04:12 PM (kTF2Z)

363 350 So what's the point of telling anyone anything? We all know.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 11, 2021 03:42 PM (KZzsI)
--------------------
We here know but the "we" as in society do not know because the media has been misleading those "we".
Posted by: President Select Decaf at May 11, 2021 04:10 PM (RMGKK)

Would this be a good time to bring up Van Morrison's latest single?

Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 11, 2021 04:12 PM (hKTv8)

364 All part of The Great Reset. This has been planned and executed long before Trump even thought about running. The biowarfare would have begun even with Hillary in office.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at May 11, 2021 04:12 PM (YReMH)

365 that was my thought too, however, I know some guys that used mags for work and have bery high round counts through their guns that say they quit using anything but metl becuse the other than metl mags wear from friction over time.

Posted by: confederatefifth at May 11, 2021 04:08 PM (cPlMq)

People who shoot for a living tend to view mags, of all kinds, as disposable resources to be replaced every so often.

Most civvies will probably be able to use PMAGS for decades.

....that does remind me to pick up a few lower parts kits for replacement parts. I haven't had an functional breaks yet but I don't shoot rifles as much as I do pistols.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 11, 2021 04:12 PM (ifmtJ)

366 3rd gen, no window but with mag cover

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Sweet. $12 ea is a damn good price.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 11, 2021 04:10 PM (OCTRt)

If I wasn't saving for a spotting scope, I would pick up another 10.

Posted by: 4 at May 11, 2021 04:13 PM (KnJdm)

367 This is like illary Clinton and the Dems didn't fund the Steele Dossier.....

No: they gave money to PerkinsCoie who gave the money to FusionGPS.

Posted by: jb at May 11, 2021 04:13 PM (T2wkl)

368 159 Why is it ridiculous? It is merely a reflection of how deep the rot is.
==================
The lead author is a PhD candidate in anthropology at Harvard, with
a research fellowship at MIT (for this study purpose, I think). No
clue if she's just started her effort or is close to defending her
thesis, but there is no evidence she has any experience in hard
science. There were two undergrads involved, one from Radcliffe and
another from MIT, but both in social sciences (Anthro again, I think,
though I couldn't actually find out definitively). and, finally, a data
scientist from Harvard who I think did the actual work building a bot,
which was used to gather internet postings.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 11, 2021 04:13 PM (dDc9Z)

369 "I had the idea for the Faustian bargain long before that damned Kraut!"

- Zombie Christopher Marlowe

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at May 11, 2021 04:13 PM (dfRN6)

370 My Chekhov post has to be read in a smug, SJW tone for full effect.

Posted by: callsign claymore at May 11, 2021 04:13 PM (KmkAz)

371 Would this be a good time to bring up Van Morrison's

I was very much surprised to see how much he hated black tranny gay jews.

Posted by: confederatefifth at May 11, 2021 04:13 PM (cPlMq)

372 continuing comment @368

The "study authors" then
appear to have read what the bot gathered and they wrote about the
posts. That appears to be all these "researchers" have done: read
comment threads and then opine on their reading according to their own
insubstantial "beliefs". All in all, this is fluff. Typical social
science bullshit. Putting
"MIT" at the top is the odd and novel part. MIT being one of the
universities at the epitome of applications of hard science makes
something so silly as this paper a sad exploitation of a great name.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 11, 2021 04:13 PM (dDc9Z)

373 200 And DOJ will not be charging Fauci no matter how much he lies (see Hillary, Comey et al)
Posted by: CN at May 11, 2021 03:44 PM (ONvIw)

==

That's because my DOJ is working hard on the REAL issues facing Americans, such as hunting down those terrorists that stepped inside the capitol on Jan 6th and finding all of those who misgender a man dressed as a woman.

Posted by: President NPC at May 11, 2021 04:13 PM (FPuSC)

374 Yeah the media negated their ability to manipulate Trump's actions by negative coverage, because they were all negative, all the time, hysterically so. What's the worst they could say? They already said it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 11, 2021 04:13 PM (KZzsI)

375 Ian Malcolm:

Your scientists were so concerned about if they could, they never bothered to ask if they should.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 11, 2021 04:12 PM (kTF2Z)
++++
And now I'm sitting by myself, talking to myself, surrounded by corpses in the middle of a gulag. And that's - that's chaos theory...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 11, 2021 04:14 PM (Jsjd7)

376 Disagree. We knew immediately that Fauci lied about AIDS. We know he lied about masks . We know he lied about HCQ. And the insiders knew his connections to the Wuhan lab and vaxes. And we also knew he was a Democrat operative, We also knew that Neil Ferguson was a crank. Trump could have replaced Fauci with someone much more qualified.
Posted by: Can't help myself at May 11, 2021 04:10 PM (2DOZq)

Fair enough. We disagree. I think all the knocks on Fauci at that time were "inside baseball" kinds of stuff. AIDS? Half of the population doesn't even remember Fauci and AIDS. Hell, I didn't remember Fauci being involved with AIDS. Fauci, the most highly paid civil servant, a man with a lifelong career in public health ... who is "much more qualified" in the public's eyes?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021 04:14 PM (XlpYx)

377 I didn't know Epoch Times had a print edition.

Posted by: Mark1971 at May 11, 2021 04:14 PM (xPl2J)

378
nood Fausti

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at May 11, 2021 04:14 PM (RbGzi)

379 Sorry Joe, I had to split my response to you into two comments becaue the PIXY limitations required it

Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 11, 2021 04:14 PM (dDc9Z)

380 Hey everybody.

Whatever can get Fauci to retire quickly is most likely best...

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 11, 2021 04:14 PM (L2ZTs)

381 Keep sending millions to Wuhan. Don't wanna make them mad.

Posted by: klaftern at May 11, 2021 04:14 PM (RuIsu)

382 did anyone mention the recent study that despite looking at animals ALL OVER China they were unable to find any SARS II virus in any of them?

I mean I think that's pertinent.

it clearly wasn't a naturally occurring virus that passed from animal to human. if it were we'd have found the animal by now.

it was engineered. I figured that right away b/c the Very Smart people I knew in medicine were chill to start, but after about a month of poo poo-ing my concerns suddenly did a complete 180. they got the word that it was man made then, I think.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 11, 2021 04:15 PM (j9HX3)

383 Faust, by Gothe, was a 'scientist' who makes a deal with the devil.

Hilarity ensues.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 11, 2021 04:10 PM (ifmtJ)

I'd take that deal and then crawfish and shoot the Devil in the ass....

Posted by: Curly Bill Brocious at May 11, 2021 04:15 PM (jvt6t)

384 All part of The Great Reset. This has been planned and executed long before Trump even thought about running. The biowarfare would have begun even with Hillary in office.
Posted by: Widespread Pepe

THIS.

Posted by: shibumi at May 11, 2021 04:15 PM (TMb1F)

385 Shaun of the Dead is one of the best zombies movies ever made.

Hot Fuzz is one of the best comedies ever made. Ever.

The End of the World...is just a letdown. Like the third Guy Ritchie movie..

Just my $.02

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, get ready now at May 11, 2021 04:15 PM (ifmtJ)

386 NOOD

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 11, 2021 04:15 PM (H5knJ)

387 My Chekhov post has to be read in a smug, SJW tone for full effect.

Is it about nuclear wessles?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 11, 2021 04:15 PM (KZzsI)

388 We knew immediately that Fauci lied about AIDS. We know he lied about masks . We know he lied about HCQ. And the insiders knew his connections to the Wuhan lab and vaxes. And we also knew he was a Democrat operative, We also knew that Neil Ferguson was a crank. Trump could have replaced Fauci with someone much more qualified.
===
I lie because: 1 I can; 2 I enjoy it; 3 It provides for me; and 4 Most have not suspended their belief in me.

Posted by: You may call me Tony, the salesman at May 11, 2021 04:15 PM (KUe/D)

389 In a related story, Barrett employees react to movies with .50 Cals in them:

https://youtu.be/DEa_bGC4OU8

Posted by: Sharkman at May 11, 2021 04:15 PM (Ytivl)

390 "Failed" being the operative word. The Reds would have had a plausible argument for conviction if he'd fired Fauci and then was blamed for COVID deaths. Every chick in the country would have held him responsible.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021 04:11 PM (XlpYx)

Everything Trump accomplished was done IN SPITE of the nonstop political war conducted by the left. He went around them every time. But he wouldn't go around Fauxi. The left had found his Achilles heel and exploited it to the hilt.

Posted by: creeper at May 11, 2021 04:15 PM (XxJt1)

391 who shoot for a living tend to view mags, of all kinds, as disposable resources to be replaced every so often.

Most civvies will probably be able to use PMAGS for decades.

....that does remind me to pick up a few lower parts kits for replacement parts. I haven't had an functional breaks yet but I don't shoot rifles as much as I do pistols.
Posted by: M

maybe, but his thought was that whereas in theatre they had the resources to renew and replace as often as they desired, back here he was more worried about not having the ability to renew his gear becuse of laws.

Posted by: confederatefifth at May 11, 2021 04:16 PM (cPlMq)

392 So if I had read the post I would know what gain of function means?
Hmmm.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 11, 2021 04:16 PM (cSyAR)

393 374 Yeah the media negated their ability to manipulate Trump's actions by negative coverage, because they were all negative, all the time, hysterically so. What's the worst they could say? They already said it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 11, 2021 04:13 PM (KZzsI)

True, but they'd have had issue with legs this time. Ukraine, phone call, pffft. Firing St. Fauci and later hundreds of thousands (as they would have us believe) die? Wow.

Recall that one of the things that pushed Nixon out the door was the "Saturday night massacre," in which he fired Archibald Cox and some other guy who was investigating him.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021 04:16 PM (d0vJg)

394 The original question has always been: why would a country with an aging population and inability to reproduce in sufficient numbers to support create a virus that would kill the elderly? If this was a bio lab weapon, it does very little to physical specimens that make up any armed forces and virtually nil to young children. This want bio lab weapon. This was Logans Run.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at May 11, 2021 04:17 PM (Ib1Cd)

395 349 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021 04:04 PM (XlpYx)

Disagree. We knew immediately that Fauci lied about AIDS. We know he lied about masks . We know he lied about HCQ. And the insiders knew his connections to the Wuhan lab and vaxes. And we also knew he was a Democrat operative, We also knew that Neil Ferguson was a crank. Trump could have replaced Fauci with someone much more qualified.
Posted by: Can't help myself at May 11, 2021 04:10 PM (2DOZq)

I really don't think Trump could have done that. Fauci was, by far, the most prominent figure in the USA regarding COVID. There was no way that Trump could have defenestrated him without immediate impeachment calls from both sides. If Francis Collins, who worked on the Genome Project (and is still Fauci's boss) couldn't say boo about it, and if nobody in the MSM was willing to bring up Fauci's AIDS record after all this time, then there was no predicate for Trump to do anything about it. He had to bide his time. Do you think that Birx would have stood by and watch Fauci get fired? We knew what she was all about after she left the Task Force.

The Deep State covers for their own.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 11, 2021 04:18 PM (hKTv8)

396 Everything Trump accomplished was done IN SPITE of the nonstop political war conducted by the left. He went around them every time. But he wouldn't go around Fauxi. The left had found his Achilles heel and exploited it to the hilt.
Posted by: creeper at May 11, 2021 04:15 PM (XxJt1)

At the time, we didn't know what we were up against. Maybe Fauci was right. Maybe he was full of crap. Who knew?

What Trump could have done was marginalize him. Don't fire him, just ignore him. Let him stand up at the press conferences, but not speak. He could've gotten away with that, assuming he had others who could advise him.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021 04:18 PM (d0vJg)

397 I really don't think Trump could have done that. Fauci was, by far, the most prominent figure in the USA regarding COVID. There was no way that Trump could have defenestrated him without immediate impeachment calls from both sides. If Francis Collins, who worked on the Genome Project (and is still Fauci's boss) couldn't say boo about it, and if nobody in the MSM was willing to bring up Fauci's AIDS record after all this time, then there was no predicate for Trump to do anything about it. He had to bide his time. Do you think that Birx would have stood by and watch Fauci get fired? We knew what she was all about after she left the Task Force.

The Deep State covers for their own.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 11, 2021 04:18 PM (hKTv

Well said. I fully agree.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 11, 2021 04:19 PM (d0vJg)

398 Sorry Joe, I had to split my response to you into two comments becaue the PIXY limitations required it
Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 11, 2021 04:14 PM (dDc9Z)
++++
All good. And yeah, the names on the thing don't inspire confidence. It's a poor effort, and that much is clear. One of the authors doesn't even have a bio page on the department website (if you click her link, it goes back to the main page).

But here's the thing: that is only of secondary importance. The primary importance is that MIT published this under their aegis and letterhead. It doesn't look like it was peer-reviewed, but that is meaningless in any contemporary context. This would pass peer review easily if they had submitted it.

This paper is trash, but more than that it's *dangerous* trash as well as being stupifyingly arrogant. And what is perhaps this country's premier technical institution published it, with their stamp on it, under the guidance of their faculty.

It's grotesque and appalling and perfectly underscores the terrifying, dangerous rot that shoots through our academic institutions.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 11, 2021 04:19 PM (Jsjd7)

399 I believe that Trump left Fauci in because he was TRYING to keep the public from panicking. The media was hell bent on causing a crisis and furring him in the midst of that would have caused a complete meltdown in the press.

In retrospect the meltdown happened anyway and certain governors ran with it so as to not let a crisis go to waste. But I think that is what he was trying to do by keeping that jackass on.

Posted by: Just Lily. Thread-Winner Elect at May 11, 2021 04:20 PM (39Xnn)

400 the gain of function thing is not inherently bad
Posted by: confederatefifth

It was "outlawed" in the United States. Experimental Virologist in this country thought it was dangerous and unethical. There was a big debate in those circles (and I only read about it last year at this time) about doing this, and it was decided not to. So Dr. Fauci found someone offshore who would do it.
Fauci also predicted, in a speech in 2017, that a dangerous pandemic was coming.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative ....Living on the prison planet at May 11, 2021 04:21 PM (vcOmj)

401 Christopher Taylor,

No, it's about Captain Obvious' insightful comment about Hot Fuzz. And I saw my chance to skewer SJWs with an idiotic twist on Chekhov's Gun.

I had to, man!

Posted by: callsign claymore at May 11, 2021 04:22 PM (KmkAz)

402 There's another angle to consider when evaluating Trump's actions. One of his goals was to counteract the panic that the deep state was cultivating. Throwing out Fauci, as a publicly-recognized expert, and replacing him with Dr. "Who's This Guy" could have been not very reassuring to the nation.

Trump was trying to protect the country from both the virus and the hysteria, so he walked a tightrope in his choices.

Posted by: Emmie at May 11, 2021 04:22 PM (ofYez)

403 I see Just Lily commented before I did.

Posted by: Emmie at May 11, 2021 04:24 PM (ofYez)

404 The pandemic was well at its peak when Trump should have fired Fauci. Connecting continued alleged deaths would have been difficult as there would have been a well qualified replacement and HCQ would have been approved. That would have saved lives.

Posted by: Can't help myself at May 11, 2021 04:24 PM (2DOZq)

405 There's another angle to consider when evaluating Trump's actions. One of his goals was to counteract the panic that the deep state was cultivating. Throwing out Fauci, as a publicly-recognized expert, and replacing him with Dr. "Who's This Guy" could have been not very reassuring to the nation.

Trump was trying to protect the country from both the virus and the hysteria, so he walked a tightrope in his choices.
Posted by: Emmie at May 11, 2021 04:22 PM (ofYez)

That theory was disproved once Trump went stupid about GA opening up.

Posted by: Can't help myself at May 11, 2021 04:26 PM (2DOZq)

406 Again, I mention this article called Bad News Wrapped in Protein from April 2020:

https://tinyurl.com/Bad-News-Wrapped-Bacon

In the "Spike Protein" section of the paper the authors talk about a sequence of nucleobases that has been inserted "ccucggcgggca" that helps the bat virus bind to a human cell. And at the end of the article they mention that the virus has 33 straight adenine nucleobases, which I am told is also unnatural.

It was manufactured in a lab.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 11, 2021 04:30 PM (Ytivl)

407 Posted by: Emmie at May 11, 2021 04:24 PM (ofYez)

Horde mind!

Posted by: Just Lily. Thread-Winner Elect at May 11, 2021 04:31 PM (39Xnn)

408 About the pronunciation of Shi Zhengli: Her surname character, pronounced SHIH with rising second tone in Chinese, means stone. The character for death is pronounced SHEE in Japanese and SIH with down-and-up third tone in Chinese. Chinese "Xi" would be pronounced SHEE.

TLDR: Shi in Japanese is SHEE, Shi in Chinese is SHIH.

Posted by: Fedup at May 11, 2021 05:03 PM (68ya+)

409 https://bit.ly/33xb8vA

Report from a translator who lived in China. He had to escape to Hong Kong, I believe because he used a drone to film some scenery that had a military institution nearby.

He details the job offerings that the Wuhan Institute had out and the missing employee who was likely patient 0.

Posted by: Chicago Vota at May 11, 2021 05:04 PM (ts6Zs)

410 Stop calling it "Gain of function" use the real word "weaponize."

Posted by: Ronzoni at May 11, 2021 06:56 PM (fCQnl)

411 I think the commenters who predict that Fauci will never be brought to justice are probably right.

But in reality, Fauci is like those firefighters that are arsonists. If you are a functional psychotic (sociopath, whatever), get a government job. You can raise hell in whatever way you want and avoid prosecution.

Since Bush the Lesser's Iraq War II, the evidence is mounting that the American FedGov is the primary source of evil in the modern world.

Posted by: Wade Hampton at May 12, 2021 08:37 AM (Su9Le)

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