9th Circuit Rules That There Is No Right to Carry a Weapon

Gird your loins. If this is accepted for review by the Supreme Court -- and the Supreme Court has shown itself to be extraordinarily cowardly in ducking ruling on big-ticket items -- we will find out if we really have a "conservative" court, or if the lawyers recommended by the Professional Class Karens of the Federalist Society are just from the Corporate Wing of the Uniparty.

I suspect the latter.


The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a Hawaii gun regulation, ruling Wednesday that states can restrict the right to openly carry a firearm in public.

The 7-4 decision said restrictions on carrying guns in public do not fall within the scope of what is protected by the Second Amendment.


...

"We have never assumed that individuals have an unfettered right to carry weapons in public spaces," the majority ruled. "Indeed, we can find no general right to carry arms into the public square for self defense."

"The en banc court held that the Second Amendment does not guarantee an unfettered, general right to openly carry arms in public for individual self-defense. Accordingly, Hawaii’s firearms-carry scheme is lawful."

The case was brought by George Young, who applied for a license twice in 2011 to carry a gun in public either openly or concealed and was denied both times because he didn't prove the "urgency or the need" to openly carry a firearm in public, the decision said. Instead, Young relied on his "general desire to carry a firearm for self-defense."

Under Hawaii's law, residents have to show the "urgency or the need" to carry a firearm in public and must be of good moral character and "engaged in the protection of life and property."

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Judge Diarmuid F. O'Scannlain authored Wednesday’s dissent, calling the ruling "extreme."


"The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution guarantees 'the right of the people to keep and bear Arms'. Today, a majority of our court has decided that the Second Amendment does not mean what it says," the minority dissented. "Instead, the majority holds that while the Second Amendment may guarantee the right to keep a firearm for self-defense within one’s home, it provides no right whatsoever to bear-i.e., to carry -- that same firearm for self-defense in any other place."

"This holding is as unprecedented as it is extreme."

"We now become the first and only court of appeals to hold that public carry falls entirely outside the scope of the Amendment’s protections," O'Scannlain continued. "In so holding, the majority reduces the right to 'bear Arms' to a mere inkblot."

Unrelated: Transgender extremist "Rachel" Levine, who supports the genital mutilation of children, and who also sent covid patients back to the nursing home (after evacuating his own mother from one), was confirmed as Deputy Secretary of " " " Health " " ".

Susan Collins voted in favor of his confirmation.

Just vote harder, guys.

Posted by: Ace at 05:47 PM




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1 Judge Punchy Macadamia strikes again.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 24, 2021 05:47 PM (Bmy3R)

2 I'll fetch.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 24, 2021 05:47 PM (Bmy3R)

3 ""Indeed, we can find no general right to carry arms into the public square for self defense.""

Because the verbiage "The right to keep AND BEAR arms" is somehow ambiguous?!?!

Posted by: NeverBiden at March 24, 2021 05:48 PM (0jZvB)

4 Tranny Secretary of State....?

Thought it was Health and Human Services or some other leftist bullshit post.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at March 24, 2021 05:48 PM (3H9h1)

5 Unrelated: Transgender extremist "Rachel" Levine, who supports the genital mutilation of children, and who also sent covid patients back to the nursing home (after evacuating his own mother from one), was confirmed as Deputy Secretary of State.
You and I, and normal people see all those as reasons he shouldn't have a senior position in the government.
The left sees it as mission accomplished, *especially* killing all those old people

Posted by: 18-1 at March 24, 2021 05:49 PM (qlFIA)

6 So the 2nd Amendment is the only one that puts limitations on the citizens of the nation and not the government, right?

Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 05:49 PM (bm04m)

7 Unblown margins are overrated, Ace.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at March 24, 2021 05:49 PM (+WWsf)

8 Stretchy.

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at March 24, 2021 05:49 PM (II3Gr)

9 Holy crap, when the margins are blown on a 21" desktop monitor...

Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 05:49 PM (bm04m)

10 ace blew the margins

Posted by: vmom super straight stabby stabber stabalot at March 24, 2021 05:49 PM (GBZnB)

11
when you start out with the margins blown...

Posted by: AltonJackson at March 24, 2021 05:49 PM (kHy01)

12 "Just vote harder, guys."

If you just stop voting, things WILL IMPROVE! Just ask us!

Posted by: Venezuelan opposition at March 24, 2021 05:50 PM (49Dnm)

13 Excellent.

The lefty states will disarm while the red states arm themselves even more.

Posted by: MJ at March 24, 2021 05:50 PM (gAMkn)

14 Shit

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at March 24, 2021 05:50 PM (WdCaN)

15 One step closer to open war.
Good.

In the meantime, I'm going to carry on.

As I said before, don't go quietly, Horde.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Marcus Brasswang at March 24, 2021 05:50 PM (uxJPn)

16 Burn it down.

Scatter the stones.

Salt the earth where it stood.

h/t AllenG

Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 05:50 PM (XxJt1)

17 Ace to the Barrel?

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at March 24, 2021 05:50 PM (dfRN6)

18 yes it's deputy sec. of health, not state.

Posted by: ace at March 24, 2021 05:50 PM (5+1A/)

19 Have we reached the hill to die on yet?

Posted by: That guy who always asks... at March 24, 2021 05:50 PM (W4eKo)

20 ace blew his own margins.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 24, 2021 05:50 PM (lmikk)

21 h/t AllenG

Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 05:50 PM (XxJt1)


That one got old years ago...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at March 24, 2021 05:50 PM (ZSK0i)

22 Dick chopping IS healthcare!

Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at March 24, 2021 05:50 PM (II3Gr)

23 Because the verbiage "The right to keep AND BEAR arms" is somehow ambiguous?!?!
Posted by: NeverBiden at March 24, 2021 05:48 PM (0jZvB)

The fount of all Constitutional knowledge known as Joy Reid says that the words "well regulated" and "militia" cancel out any individual right.

We live in clown world. And in interesting times.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado - Tempus belli) at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (N3El/)

24 To be honest, if a cabal of rootless pedophiles can take over the country without anyone firing a shot in response, does the Second Amendment really have any mileage?

Posted by: trev006 at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (0HpOW)

25
amen, creeper

Posted by: AltonJackson at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (kHy01)

26 Shall not be infringed.

Which word didn't you understand?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (kTF2Z)

27 gonna take a mini mental health break
be back in a bit

Posted by: vmom super straight stabby stabber stabalot at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (GBZnB)

28 6 So the 2nd Amendment is the only one that puts limitations on the citizens of the nation and not the government, right?
Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 05:49 PM (bm04m)

The people have forfeited the confidence of the government and can ONLY win it back through redoubled efforts. (h/t, Brecht)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (49Dnm)

29 "That word bear doesn't actually mean to carry or have wepaons on you. Its referring to the animal bear, so you're bear-like with your arms"
--9th Circus

"No standing"
--John Roberts

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (KZzsI)

30 Didn't the 9th choose the opposite just two years ago in Young v. Hawaii?

Posted by: banana Dream at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (vHLlg)

31 RICHARD Levine is an evil freak show.

Posted by: Puddleglum at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (o3JNK)

32 Levine at HHS - NOT State Department.

Posted by: One-Eyed Cat Peepin' in the Seafood Store at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (Ybhj0)

33 That was nice. There was room in here for me and all four cats. Then I clicked "Comments" and it got all skinny 'n shit.

Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (XxJt1)

34 "If this is accepted for review by the Supreme Court -- we will find out if we really have a "conservative" court,"


For Christ sake we just got here, let us enjoy a few cocktail parties.

Posted by: Barrett & Kavanaugh at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (4thlk)

35 Deputy secretary of HHS, not State. I know, State is rapidly descending to the Admiral Holdo level of virtue signaling and may soon be less respectable than HHS. The bureaucratic infighting is going to be epic

Posted by: Swamposphere at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (2tNBH)

36 Under Hawaii's law, residents have to show the "urgency or the need" to carry a firearm in public
.........

I feel the need to shoot some pineapples.

Posted by: wth at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (v0R5T)

37 Yeah, I think Richard Levine is assistant Secretary of HHS, not State. My condolences to Pennsylvania for losing a medical professional as lovely as he is competent.

Posted by: Mapes, Shadout Mapes at March 24, 2021 05:52 PM (PiwSw)

38 Can we get immigration to start shipping illegals to Hawaii?

747s full of them...

Posted by: AZ deplorable isolated at March 24, 2021 05:52 PM (gtatv)

39 If the Supreme Court rules unanimously that there was no right to have sex with children, some judge would still rule otherwise if he felt like it.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at March 24, 2021 05:52 PM (4a9Vv)

40 Ace needs to sock KamalaToe

Posted by: Col Langdon, C.S.A. at March 24, 2021 05:52 PM (VcFUs)

41 So Hawaii appealed and the 9th just completely reversed?

Posted by: banana Dream at March 24, 2021 05:52 PM (vHLlg)

42 To be honest, if a cabal of rootless pedophiles can take over the country without anyone firing a shot in response, does the Second Amendment really have any mileage?
Posted by: trev006 at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (0HpOW)

Jah, that's where I am, too.

We lack anyone with moral standing to order the milita into battle. So they'll try to cull us bit by bit and sit safe and secure in their unburned homes.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Marcus Brasswang at March 24, 2021 05:52 PM (ifmtJ)

43 30 Didn't the 9th choose the opposite just two years ago in Young v. Hawaii?
Posted by: banana Dream at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (vHLlg)

That was a 3 judge panel, this is the whole court if I understand this correctly.

But yeah, I fully anticipate the Roberts court to either not take this up or find a precedent that overturns Heller and the others.

Posted by: Thrawn at March 24, 2021 05:53 PM (I9kJ1)

44 This seems kinda silly. States have always had the right to allow or disallow open/conceal carry.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 24, 2021 05:53 PM (CjFDo)

45 Off C.S.A sock

Posted by: BifBewalski - at March 24, 2021 05:53 PM (VcFUs)

46 "We have never assumed that individuals have an unfettered right to carry weapons in public spaces," the majority ruled.

there you go: they 'assumed", therefor it's the laws, bitches

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at March 24, 2021 05:53 PM (4a9Vv)

47 "The fount of all Constitutional knowledge known as Joy Reid says that the words "well regulated" and "militia" cancel out any individual right."

They just pretend that the Supreme Court didn't decide all this shit years ago. Okay lefties, if some states can just ignore Heller, then suppose some others just ignore Roe?

Posted by: Rusty Nail at March 24, 2021 05:53 PM (I99aF)

48 Come and take it.

Posted by: Darth Randall at March 24, 2021 05:53 PM (3TihK)

49 Pieces of shit, all of 'em but particularly Susan Collins.

Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at March 24, 2021 05:53 PM (y7DUB)

50 That one got old years ago...
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at March 24, 2021 05:50 PM (ZSK0i)


See Alton Jackson @25.

For some of us it never gets old.

Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 05:53 PM (XxJt1)

51 Well, there's another year of my pretty much not bothering to go to a gun store for they will be sold out...

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 24, 2021 05:54 PM (49Dnm)

52 Nope.

My rights are not handed down from some black-robed dweeb.

They come from God. Take it up with him.

Posted by: Joe Mama at March 24, 2021 05:54 PM (GYqYy)

53
Constitution: "Right to keep and bear arms"
Judges 19xx: "Yeah! but they had muskets!"
Judges 20xx: "Nope!"

Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 05:54 PM (FYe3W)

54 36 Under Hawaii's law, residents have to show the "urgency or the need" to carry a firearm in public
.........

I feel the need to shoot some pineapples.
Posted by: wth at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (v0R5T)

Cane spiders.... big as your hand!

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 24, 2021 05:54 PM (oHd/0)

55 We have never assumed that individuals have an unfettered right to carry weapons

Um, is "fettered" a synonym for "infringed"?

Seems like the opinion should say "We have never actually read the Bill of Rights."

Posted by: Half Dozen at March 24, 2021 05:54 PM (Cem4/)

56 But yeah, I fully anticipate the Roberts court to either not take this up or find a precedent that overturns Heller and the others.
Posted by: Thrawn at March 24, 2021 05:53 PM (I9kJ1)

If the cool kids tell Mr. Roberts not to take it up, he won't.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 24, 2021 05:54 PM (49Dnm)

57 Now all this administration needs is a two headed baby in a jar.

Posted by: wth at March 24, 2021 05:54 PM (v0R5T)

58 We lack anyone with moral standing to order the milita into battle. So they'll try to cull us bit by bit and sit safe and secure in their unburned homes.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Marcus Brasswang at March 24, 2021 05:52 PM (ifmtJ)

Alternatively, shooting the right person would cause a crackdown that would cause the militia to mobilize itself.

I mean theoretically, according to a study of history.

Posted by: trev006 at March 24, 2021 05:55 PM (0HpOW)

59 There is no Law, there is only power.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Marcus Brasswang at March 24, 2021 05:55 PM (ifmtJ)

60 I feel the need to shoot some pineapples.
Posted by: wth at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (v0R5T)

Cane spiders.... big as your hand!
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 24, 2021 05:54 PM (oHd/0)


Jack Lord's hair.

Posted by: Mapes, Shadout Mapes at March 24, 2021 05:55 PM (PiwSw)

61 So Hawaii can just keep going back to the same court on the same law on appeal until they get what they want?

Posted by: banana Dream at March 24, 2021 05:55 PM (vHLlg)

62 As we descend into chaos, and we are well on our way, people who have self defense sidearms will carry no matter what the law says. Self-preservation is a primal instinct

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2021 05:55 PM (GPwVZ)

63 49 Pieces of shit, all of 'em but particularly Susan Collins.
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at March 24, 2021 05:53 PM (y7DUB)

She's got 6 years left, but at least Trump can campaign against the Alaskan Coke-bear for 2022. Assuming there is a 2022...

Posted by: Thrawn at March 24, 2021 05:55 PM (I9kJ1)

64 Levine is a disgusting pig, but I'm glad it's in D.C. and not in PA.

The Second Amendment ruling is ludicrous. SHALL. NOT. BE. INFRINGED. If the SCOTUS goes along with this, a civil war will not be far behind.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp - Biden Is Not My President at March 24, 2021 05:55 PM (qoNQ/)

65 I, RI Red, am actually back in RI for a BRIEF visit. I stopped at one of my favorite Gub Shops and had to wait outside in a social distanced line and given a ticket to enter.
Lots of gubs but few reloading supplies.
I may or may not have been bearing arms, but I was wearing a short sleeve shirt.

Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2021 05:55 PM (qIJUH)

66 bear arms, they're not just Yogi's appendages, Your Illiterate Honor.

Posted by: x4 at March 24, 2021 05:56 PM (oA+QO)

67 If rights come from man, the African slave in America had just as many rights as Alabama gave him.

Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 05:56 PM (FYe3W)

68 did anyone expect anything different ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 24, 2021 05:56 PM (L76Ru)

69 I'm not particularly enamored with open carry as long as concealed carry is available. I would not vote against it but doesn't mean I have to like it.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 24, 2021 05:56 PM (2DOZq)

70 I can see how they could manage to rule that way.
Technically they're not banning carrying a firearm. Only carrying it openly. They may get away with this one.

Frankly I've never been a fan of open carry for a number of reasons. That said I don't have any issue with those that do and can see their arguments as being valid.

The courts view that phrase keep and bear arms much differently that the layman does. Bearing arms covers a wide range of behavior thus it is was left up to the court to interpret which meaning is correct.

Just as taxing bullets to ridiculous numbers will probably be ruled as not infringing on the 2A even tho the EFFECT will also within the scope of interpretation.

I believe not many will register their firearms if it comes to a national registry. There are a couple states with registration laws that owners have not complied with.

Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 05:56 PM (h4cy5)

71 52 Nope.

My rights are not handed down from some black-robed dweeb.

They come from God. Take it up with him.
Posted by: Joe Mama at March 24, 2021 05:54 PM (GYqYy)

that ship sailed when they made the POWER to Vote, into a RIGHT to vote.

Voting is inherent to the political system you are part of, it is not God nor Nature given. Thus, this Right was given to you by the Government... not acknowledged by said government.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 24, 2021 05:56 PM (oHd/0)

72 > Can we get immigration to start shipping illegals to Hawaii?

I've heard Hawaii has a real problem with people showing up on the island with zero resources. They think they'll sleep on the beach and pick fruit and live the island paradise life.

Honestly, with all of the tax funded "programs" available to people who choose not to work, I wonder if those people might have the right idea.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 24, 2021 05:56 PM (UW2ZS)

73 I missed the Biden/Kamala Border Thread.

Anyone use :

Cum Dumpster Fire

Because, if they didn't I will be putting that under Trademark Protections.

Posted by: garrett at March 24, 2021 05:56 PM (PZTJi)

74 Ahhhhhh.... because trannies all about "health."

Yup.

Health.

And mental well being.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at March 24, 2021 05:57 PM (3H9h1)

75 See Alton Jackson @25.

For some of us it never gets old.

Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 05:53 PM (XxJt1)


2 to 1. I stand corrected.

Snerk.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at March 24, 2021 05:57 PM (ZSK0i)

76 Roberts is a coward who wants nothing to do with any case that might be in any way controversial. He'll do anything to avoid this one.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 24, 2021 05:57 PM (kTF2Z)

77 Maybe the Robert's Court can ban tsunamis and volcanoes too. To protect the indigenous people...

Posted by: pahound at March 24, 2021 05:57 PM (KIWeW)

78 The Second Amendment ruling is ludicrous. SHALL. NOT. BE. INFRINGED. If the SCOTUS goes along with this, a civil war will not be far behind.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp - Biden Is Not My President at March 24, 2021 05:55 PM (qoNQ/)

Do you have any evidence o back this up?

Posted by: Somewhere east of I-25 at March 24, 2021 05:57 PM (uxUoN)

79 We have never assumed that individuals have an unfettered right to carry weapons

Who is this "we", boy?

Posted by: Josey Wales at March 24, 2021 05:58 PM (v0R5T)

80 >>>This seems kinda silly. States have always had the right to allow or disallow open/conceal carry.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry


They want government control. Remove states rights on guns, and everything in run through D.C.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp - Biden Is Not My President at March 24, 2021 05:58 PM (qoNQ/)

81 hear ye hear ye: the Second Amendment doesn't give you a right to keep and bear loaded arms (Hawaiian Judge between luau breaks)

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at March 24, 2021 05:58 PM (4a9Vv)

82 Kinda looking forward to someone's first attempt at disarming the American Populace.

It's gonna be Lit.

Posted by: garrett at March 24, 2021 05:58 PM (PZTJi)

83 There is no Law, there is only power.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Marcus Brasswang at March 24, 2021 05:55 PM (ifmtJ)
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When you don't have libs, it's easier, to have power wrapped within the law, though.

When you have petulant children, there is no law. The ultra-moderate Merrick Garland is proving that right now.

Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 05:58 PM (FYe3W)

84 The Second Amendment ruling is ludicrous. SHALL. NOT. BE. INFRINGED. If the SCOTUS goes along with this, a civil war will not be far behind.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp - Biden Is Not My President at March 24, 2021 05:55 PM (qoNQ/)


I think our overlords have hedged their bets. They want it.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 24, 2021 05:58 PM (3u/Hk)

85 Remember kiddies:

There ain't no Justice.


There's Just Us.

Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 05:58 PM (h4cy5)

86 PSA AK-103 PREMIUM FORGED CLASSIC POLYMER RIFLE; $1000; https://bit.ly/2NPKeuF

Posted by: bonhomme at March 24, 2021 05:58 PM (UW2ZS)

87 So Hawaii can just keep going back to the same court on the same law on appeal until they get what they want?

Posted by: banana Dream.....Hawaii didn't go to the appeals court, the defendant did.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 24, 2021 05:59 PM (CjFDo)

88 "Its a common misunderstanding, 'bear' in this context refers to the ancient Celtic word 'behr' which means 'to eschew or do without'. Besides, they just meant muskets"
--9th circus court

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 24, 2021 05:59 PM (KZzsI)

89 Wow. Combine this with SlowJoe moving to an Executive Order on the 2A... things are changing fast.

Save us Joe Manchin!

Posted by: Zeera Hunkering down here, Boss at March 24, 2021 05:59 PM (+iaDh)

90 I read the word "assumed" and stopped right there. I think I see where the problem is.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 24, 2021 05:59 PM (C19Ao)

91 I can't wait for the Warrior Poet Society and all the other 'Oath Keepers' to explain that now isn't the right time to fight, either.

No one is coming to save us, unless God chooses to.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Marcus Brasswang at March 24, 2021 05:59 PM (ifmtJ)

92 B-b-but-but we had RIOTS in 2020!

Posted by: John Roberts' Majority Opinion at March 24, 2021 05:59 PM (FYe3W)

93 So I can bear arms so long as I'm not carrying arms.

Well, there's nothing absolutely fucking batshit crazy about that at all.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at March 24, 2021 06:00 PM (sWM8x)

94 I guess it must take a law school degree and years of fondling legal aides in the cloakroom to get to the point where you're so goddamn stupid that your argument consists of "you have the right to bear arms at home when you're behind locked doors but if you go out into the world you should be defenseless".

I hate to break it to the courts but they've already rendered themselves irrelevant so they can decide whatever they want on guns. That ship has sailed.

Posted by: Azathoth at March 24, 2021 06:00 PM (WwYtF)

95 So this is about "Open" carry? Yeah they may get away with that. Maybe

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2021 06:00 PM (GPwVZ)

96
They want government control. Remove states rights on guns, and everything in run through D.C.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp.
Yes, I know that's what they want.. but this says nothing about taking away a state's right to allow carry.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 24, 2021 06:00 PM (CjFDo)

97 This isn't just infringing the 2A--it's downright abridging it.

Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:01 PM (FYe3W)

98 >>>I think our overlords have hedged their bets. They want it.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory

Push people hard enough and long enough, they're going to react. Door to door gun confiscation will not end well.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp - Biden Is Not My President at March 24, 2021 06:01 PM (qoNQ/)

99 So the Constitution is only to guard against the federal government, states can crushing right they wish.

Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2021 06:01 PM (Cxk7w)

100 Willowed but just because it's a hilarious own-goal, raimondo was talking about how awesome some female nascar driver is at the end of the last thread because she finished 3rd place once, and then this happened:

"At the 2020 Daytona 500, Deegan expressed interest in meeting President Donald Trump, tweeting the morning of the race, "Today's goal. Get my helmet signed by Trump."

Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:01 PM (bm04m)

101 Yep, this is a hill I'm willing to make those in favor of this die on.

Posted by: Archer at March 24, 2021 06:01 PM (gmo/4)

102 I want a civil war. Fuck these communist cocksuckers.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at March 24, 2021 06:01 PM (sWM8x)

103 Would this be a bad time to point that gun violence is primarily the province of the folks of melanin, and largely confined to the ghetto?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 24, 2021 06:01 PM (dECZ9)

104 Well, supremes, how is your kingdom looking now? You pussed out and now everyone is going to take a run at you so you can piss down your leg and rubber stamp whatever they want.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 24, 2021 06:02 PM (lmikk)

105 >>>Yes, I know that's what they want.. but this says nothing about taking away a state's right to allow carry.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry

I think that's their end game though.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp - Biden Is Not My President at March 24, 2021 06:02 PM (qoNQ/)

106 So, this copy of the constitution says you have a RKBA, but this picture of me in pedo island says you don't. So I'm going to call it a tax.


Posted by: John Roberts at March 24, 2021 06:02 PM (qlFIA)

107 Indeed, we can find no general right to carry arms into the public square for self defense.

++++

True, as far as it goes. The purpose of the 2nd amendment is the defense of the Republic, not merely one's self. But, the method the founders chose to implement this goal was with the unrestricted right to keep and bear arms.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 24, 2021 06:02 PM (hVqGz)

108 I'm pretty sure it's "mainstream" Constitutional Scholar thought that the Constitution of the US doesn't mean anything until it has been tried in court.

This is completely anathema to any random person who has taken civics in the US.

I find a great deal of gallows humor in these two diametrically opposite views.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 24, 2021 06:02 PM (UW2ZS)

109 So the Constitution is only to guard against the federal government, states can crushing right they wish.
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2021 06:01 PM (Cxk7w)
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Yeah, it's the Incorporation-Except-on-Alternate-Tuesdays doctrine.

Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:02 PM (FYe3W)

110 If you concede the right to open carry, you have essentially...conceded.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 24, 2021 06:03 PM (W4eKo)

111 not willowed, but applies just as well to this (or almost any) poat:

"59 it's what they do.
it's who they are.
liars.
their master, the father of lies, is pleased !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 24, 2021 04:48 PM (L76Ru) "

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 24, 2021 06:03 PM (L76Ru)

112 "We have never assumed that individuals have an unfettered right to carry weapons in public spaces..."

Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Roger Taney made a similar argument.

That is, in Dred Scott v. Sandford.

"It would give to persons of the negro race . . . the right to enter every other State whenever they pleased, . . . and it would give them the full liberty of speech . . . ; to hold public meetings upon political affairs, and to keep and carry arms wherever they went."

The Democrat court held the freed negro without the rights of the citizen, and therefore without the rights to bear arms in public.

This Democrat court has simply chosen to extend that to all.

Posted by: fringe at March 24, 2021 06:03 PM (FPur3)

113 As someone said this morning, I saw a great movie once about a society where only the police and military were allowed to have guns.

It was called Schindler's List.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 24, 2021 06:03 PM (KZzsI)

114 74 Ahhhhhh.... because trannies all about "health."

Yup.

Health.

And mental well being.
Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at March 24, 2021 05:57 PM (3H9h1)


And promoting normalcy.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 24, 2021 06:03 PM (dECZ9)

115 Today's goal. Get my helmet signed by Trump."
Well for the record Barack Obama put his mark on a lot of guy's helmets at Man's Country Bathhouse.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 24, 2021 06:03 PM (qlFIA)

116 PREMIUM FORGED CLASSIC POLYMER RIFLE; $1000;
Posted by: bonhomme

I'd rather have the original, than a forgery.

Posted by: Joe Mama at March 24, 2021 06:04 PM (GYqYy)

117 If you concede the right to open carry, you have essentially...conceded.
Posted by: N



in fairness, half the guys here do not have a gun anyway so it does not matter

Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:04 PM (4Jold)

118 Let that court try to escape their punishment for this.

CONFIRMED: Democrat Operative Was Given Secret Internet Connection to Network Where Ballots Were Counted

Emails show that Michael Spitzer-Rubenstein, Wisconsin state lead for the National Vote at Home Institute, was given secret internet access at the hotel convention center where ballots were counted in Green Bay.

Gateway Pundit

Posted by: Corner Stone at March 24, 2021 06:05 PM (LO5Qy)

119 If the gov't doesn't obey the law then why should the citizen obey?

This is a question we posed to Britain's Parliament and King

And their answer was the equivalent of what the 9th just handed down.

And so since the gov't is determined to make law abiding citizens criminals by legal decree then those citizens should begin to act as criminals do. Which is ignore all laws that are inconvenient or unknown and do what they will to preserve their life and their family and community.

Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 06:05 PM (h4cy5)

120 They didn't garrison D.C. and create Fort Courage Capitol for nothing...

Posted by: pahound at March 24, 2021 06:05 PM (KIWeW)

121 Today's goal. Get my helmet signed by Trump."

**

Can you imagine being a hardcore leftist celebrating a woman being able to do anything a man can do and citing this superstar 3rd place best finisher hero as the top example of your argument before seeing that?

Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:05 PM (bm04m)

122 " ...
Um, is "fettered" a synonym for "infringed"?
Seems like the opinion should say "We have never actually read the Bill of Rights."
Posted by: Half Dozen at March 24, 2021 05:54 PM (Cem4/) "


synonym for "put in chains", which seems oddly appropriate ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 24, 2021 06:05 PM (L76Ru)

123 The Second Amendment is written in absolute language. The first amendment says Congress shall make no law. The second one says "shall not be infringed", and they knew that if anybody would be *making laws around it*, it would probably be the localities.

To the extent that the Constitution can decide things at the Federal level that limits the states "shall not be infringed" comes the closest to anything to a federal mandate.

This is a whole lot closer than reading schools as "Congress".

Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:05 PM (FYe3W)

124 This seems kinda silly. States have always had the right to allow or disallow open/conceal carry.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry

They disallowed but never had the right because it's unconstitutional. The gun control advocates won't go through the proper process and call for the repeal of the 2nd Amendment. They would rather the courts continue to ignore the plain language of the constitution and make up illogical rulings to get what they want.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 24, 2021 06:05 PM (2DOZq)

125 The Democrat court held the freed negro without the rights of the citizen, and therefore without the rights to bear arms in public.

For the same basic reasons too: we can't trust them with that kind of power, look at how stupid and violent they are.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 24, 2021 06:05 PM (KZzsI)

126 "The en banc court held that the Second Amendment does not guarantee an unfettered, general right to openly carry arms in public for individual self-defense. Accordingly, Hawaii's firearms-carry scheme is lawful."

Hmmm... That also means free speech may not apply to "in public", religion: ditto

We're playing "The Constitution, Home Edition" here.

Posted by: t-bird at March 24, 2021 06:06 PM (vOGqy)

127 Shall not be infringed.
Which word didn't you understand?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (kTF2Z


The 2A ratification to the constitution is one fucking sentence.

Almost like they knew in the future we'd be up against a bunch of brain dead lying commie scum who'd manage to twist the meaning. Yet, they manage to not be able to understand one freaking word.

Molon Labe, fucktards.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 24, 2021 06:06 PM (46GDR)

128 If you do not have a gun and you are getting the biden$, buy a gun

Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:06 PM (4Jold)

129 *Jumps in the time machine ace doesn't have. Hands the founders a thesaurus*

Find another word for regulated. Some retards in the future are having trouble understanding that.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 24, 2021 06:06 PM (kTF2Z)

130 Dr. Levine, incompetent as a state level health official is elevated to Asst. Secy of Health.

Boy, talk about your "Peter" Principle!!

Heh!

Posted by: Muldoon at March 24, 2021 06:06 PM (m45I2)

131 >>>>As someone said this morning, I saw a great movie once about a society where only the police and military were allowed to have guns.

It was called Schindler's List.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

In America, the inner city thugs would also have guns. The rest of us? Not so much.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp - Biden Is Not My President at March 24, 2021 06:06 PM (qoNQ/)

132 I think that's their end game though.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp ..
Of course it is! But this ruling doesn't get them there, nor does it give a very good test of how SCOTUS would rule on a true ruling on possession or confiscation.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 24, 2021 06:06 PM (CjFDo)

133 No one is coming to save us, unless God chooses to.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Marcus Brasswang

I read in a book somewhere, that he is/does. Eventually.
After a LOT of bad stuff happens.

Posted by: Joe Mama at March 24, 2021 06:06 PM (GYqYy)

134 in fairness, half the guys here do not have a gun anyway so it does not matter

Used to have a rifle here. We had to choose between it and food at one point.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 24, 2021 06:06 PM (KZzsI)

135 118 Let that court try to escape their punishment for this.

CONFIRMED: Democrat Operative Was Given Secret Internet Connection to Network Where Ballots Were Counted

===

but BiNO said that was impossible!

Posted by: vmom super straight stabby stabber stabalot at March 24, 2021 06:06 PM (GBZnB)

136 Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:04 PM (4Jold)

What is your evidence of that?

Ouija board? Eight ball? Tarot cards?

Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 06:06 PM (h4cy5)

137 Welp, just heard a reporter asked Joe earlier today if he was ready for his presser tomorrow.

He replied, "What press conference?"

*note to self: buy more popcorn*

Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six! at March 24, 2021 06:07 PM (ptqGC)

138 As someone said this morning, I saw a great movie once about a society where only the police and military were allowed to have guns.

It was called Schindler's List.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 24, 2021 06:03 PM (KZzsI)


I love that movie! Well, the first half of it anyway.

Posted by: Ilhan Omar at March 24, 2021 06:07 PM (fhxSN)

139 What is your evidence of that?

Ouija board? Eight ball? Tarot cards?
Posted by: j


what they say

Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:07 PM (4Jold)

140 Hmmm... That also means free speech may not apply to "in public", religion: ditto

See also: assembly, fair trials, due process, voting, not being compelled to house soldiers, etc.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 24, 2021 06:07 PM (KZzsI)

141

Secede.

Posted by: artisanal ette at March 24, 2021 06:08 PM (/TfbG)

142 Post-Heller, there were a bunch of assholes in academia who wandered around calling Scalia a moron for making the argument that "bearing arms" was anything other than a military reference. That one bears arms in defense of the state or against a state enemy, but does not bear arms against a rabbit (always with the hunting).

They expressly ignore Scalia's proof found in multiple state constitutions where one is referenced "bearing arms" against a home invader or in general defense of themselves and their loved ones.

See the asshole Prof Dennis Baron as an example of this argument:
https://wapo.st/3lOzRDJ

Posted by: bonhomme at March 24, 2021 06:08 PM (UW2ZS)

143 Hi! Jane. Hope the D'Oh family are all well.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 24, 2021 06:09 PM (C19Ao)

144 123 The Second Amendment is written in absolute language. The first amendment says Congress shall make no law. The second one says "shall not be infringed", and they knew that if anybody would be *making laws around it*, it would probably be the localities.

To the extent that the Constitution can decide things at the Federal level that limits the states "shall not be infringed" comes the closest to anything to a federal mandate.

This is a whole lot closer than reading schools as "Congress".
Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:05 PM (FYe3W)

The 14th Amendment is what extended the Bill of Rights to apply to states.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at March 24, 2021 06:09 PM (Zm+LZ)

145 Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 24, 2021 06:06 PM (kTF2Z)

Yeah. And why did they put that phrase about regulated militias in and muddy the waters.

I know because the southern delegates were afraid that blacks would get guns and carry them. And they were right!

All gun control stems from RACISM!

How about some brave Senator make that claim in the hearings or on the floor of the Senate?

Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 06:09 PM (h4cy5)

146 Read Sen Hirohito won't vote for anyone unless they are a minority or a female

Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2021 06:09 PM (Cxk7w)

147 141 Secede.
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Yes. The sooner the better.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at March 24, 2021 06:09 PM (sWM8x)

148 129 *Jumps in the time machine ace doesn't have. Hands the founders a thesaurus*

Find another word for regulated. Some retards in the future are having trouble understanding that.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 24, 2021 06:06 PM (kTF2Z)

All of a sudden the constitution reads:

Look, screwheads. People can own and personally carry anywhere they want, any type of firearm. For what purpose? Not our fucking business. We do not know what kind of weapons you have in the future, but we despair because you seem kinda stupid.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 24, 2021 06:09 PM (lmikk)

149 I read in a book somewhere, that he is/does. Eventually.
After a LOT of bad stuff happens.
Posted by: Joe Mama at March 24, 2021 06:06 PM (GYqYy)
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You just have to go through the stage where "No flesh would be left alive", that's all.

Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:09 PM (FYe3W)

150 44 This seems kinda silly. States have always had the right to allow or disallow open/conceal carry.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 24, 2021 05:53 PM (CjFDo)

++++

Incorrect, Sir. They had that power (not right) from the founding up through the passage of the 14th amendment. The 14th extended the restrictions of the 2nd on the federal government onto the states.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 24, 2021 06:10 PM (hVqGz)

151 > Used to have a rifle here. We had to choose between it and food at one point.

I'm sorry you were in that circumstance. I hope things are better for you now.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 24, 2021 06:10 PM (UW2ZS)

152 I no longer want to share a country with members of the far left and the corporate Republicans who are controlling the US.

Posted by: Drew in MO at March 24, 2021 06:10 PM (cGlgB)

153 I'm pretty sure this isn't the 9th Circuit's first time issuing a ruling along these lines. My vague recollection is that the previous case was a (possibly former) gang member who had been denied the right to open carry in California.

Posted by: junior at March 24, 2021 06:10 PM (YaUsQ)

154 146 Read Sen Hirohito won't vote for anyone unless they are a minority or a female
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2021 06:09 PM (Cxk7w)

I thought it was a different dem critter?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 24, 2021 06:10 PM (lmikk)

155 Infringed:

To make the edges of an object more attractive by embellishing with something pleasing to the eye or beautiful.

In use:

"I infringed the windows on my Impala with dingle balls in 49er red and gold."

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 24, 2021 06:10 PM (46GDR)

156 Boy, they sure are in hurry to do everything. Like on a timeline or some such shit.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 24, 2021 06:11 PM (3u/Hk)

157 Hi! Jane. Hope the D'Oh family are all well.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 24, 2021 06:09 PM (C19Ao)


We're doing well, and I hope you are.

Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six! at March 24, 2021 06:11 PM (ptqGC)

158 Why did the first Trans Federal Official have to look so... unappealing

Posted by: Anderson Cooper at March 24, 2021 06:11 PM (BDQo0)

159 about that whole consent of the governed thing. It may be changing.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 24, 2021 06:11 PM (C19Ao)

160 Tammy Duckworth

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 24, 2021 06:11 PM (3u/Hk)

161 I was genuinely asking above btw.

Are there any other amendments that limit the citizens of the US and not the government?

Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:11 PM (bm04m)

162 156 Boy, they sure are in hurry to do everything. Like on a timeline or some such shit.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 24, 2021 06:11 PM (3u/Hk)

Or they realized voting does not matter any more.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 24, 2021 06:12 PM (lmikk)

163 156 Boy, they sure are in hurry to do everything. Like on a timeline or some such shit.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 24, 2021 06:11 PM (3u/Hk)

Time is running short, for all of us.

Posted by: Thrawn at March 24, 2021 06:12 PM (I9kJ1)

164 in fairness, half the guys here do not have a gun anyway so it does not matter
.........

been a lot of canoe accidents.

Posted by: Josey Wales at March 24, 2021 06:12 PM (v0R5T)

165 > The 14th Amendment is what extended the Bill of Rights to apply to states.

I've never bought that argument. I've yet to see evidence the Founders considered the Bill of Rights to only apply to the Federal gov't.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 24, 2021 06:12 PM (UW2ZS)

166 So this is about "Open" carry? Yeah they may get away with that. Maybe
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2021 06:00 PM (GPwVZ)


No. If you go to Ace's link, 3rd paragraph down: "The government may regulate, and even prohibit, in public places - including government buildings, churches, schools, and markets - the open carrying of small arms capable of being concealed, whether they are carried concealed or openly,"

Posted by: Jordan61 at March 24, 2021 06:12 PM (Ez6QX)

167 "In so holding, the majority reduces the right to 'bear Arms' to a mere inkblot."

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Civil War 2: Inkblot Boogaloo

Posted by: ShainS at March 24, 2021 06:13 PM (c3dw6)

168 Why did the first Trans Federal Official have to look so... unappealing

**

Dude. They ALL look that way.

It's why any photos or TV shots are very, very filtered. The human eye can't be fooled easily.

Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:13 PM (bm04m)

169 " ...
All of a sudden the constitution reads:

Look, screwheads. People can own and personally carry anywhere they want, any type of firearm. For what purpose? Not our fucking business. We do not know what kind of weapons you have in the future, but we despair because you seem kinda stupid.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 24, 2021 06:09 PM (lmikk) "

LOL !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 24, 2021 06:13 PM (L76Ru)

170 I'm pretty sure this isn't the 9th Circuit's first time issuing a ruling along these lines. My vague recollection is that the previous case was a (possibly former) gang member who had been denied the right to open carry in California.
Posted by: junior at March 24, 2021 06:10 PM (YaUsQ)


Open carry is straight up illegal in CA. If it wasn't, I'd look like a fucking cowboy every time I set foot outdoors. So I can't get too twisted up about this one. BLue states are going to do what they're going to do.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 24, 2021 06:13 PM (46GDR)

171 This is a whole lot closer than reading schools as "Congress".
Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:05 PM (FYe3W)

The 14th Amendment is what extended the Bill of Rights to apply to states.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at March 24, 2021 06:09 PM (Zm+LZ)
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Not entirely. It says that Congress is given the ability to redress rights an individual statement denies. It said nothing about auto-Judges.

But even applied to the states, it doesn't touch anything I wrote. "shall not be infringed" is much more broad a prohibition, and "School board" as "Congress" is still a strained reading.

Also, the reading of the 14th amendment flipped the *purpose* of the federal government making no religious decisions on its head. As the ACLU willingly demonstrated throughout the 20th century.

Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:14 PM (FYe3W)

172 o this is about "Open" carry? Yeah they may get away with that. Maybe
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2021 06:00 PM (GPwVZ)

No. If you go to Ace's link, 3rd paragraph down: "The government may regulate, and even prohibit, in public places - including government buildings, churches, schools, and markets - the open carrying of small arms capable of being concealed, whether they are carried concealed or openly,"
Posted by: Jordan61 at March 24, 2021 06:12 PM (Ez6QX)

Hey I am no lawyer and I do not agree with the ruling. All I am saying is that in today's world, right or wrong, they may get away with it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2021 06:14 PM (GPwVZ)

173 I need another gun...a small .22 pistol. I've got a slew of ammo and nothing to run it through. Yes, I know it wouldn't have a lot of stopping power. But it ought to slow a bad guy down a bit.

Suggestions?

Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 06:14 PM (XxJt1)

174 Hahaha, raimondo is outright calling the Horde insurrectionists on the last thread.

Remember the US where folks could disagree with other people?

Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:15 PM (bm04m)

175 This is rich. Kackles Harris and Billy Jeff Clinton are going to lead some sort of prog symposium on empowering women and girls. *chokes*

Others on the panel are the Beast, her hell spawn, Chelsea, and Tank Abrams.

Dear SMOD.....

Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six! at March 24, 2021 06:15 PM (ptqGC)

176 165 > The 14th Amendment is what extended the Bill of Rights to apply to states.

I've never bought that argument. I've yet to see evidence the Founders considered the Bill of Rights to only apply to the Federal gov't.
Posted by: bonhomme at March 24, 2021 06:12 PM (UW2ZS)
++++

It's in the words they chose: "Congress shall make no law... :
When the founders wanted to talk about states and their legislatures, they used those words.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 24, 2021 06:15 PM (hVqGz)

177 Or handing out money, NG getting fed up, importing a pandemic; electing a brain-dead corrupt career politician-to be replaced by an inept thot may eventually catch up with them.

Posted by: pahound at March 24, 2021 06:15 PM (KIWeW)

178 If you're in a blue state move to a red one.

If you're in a blue city in a red state, move to the country.

We should concentrate our numbers and then secede.

Complaining and campaigning isn't going to fix this.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at March 24, 2021 06:15 PM (IEhxE)

179 @Breaking911 1m

JUST IN: Police investigating suspicious package at Atlanta grocery store where man was detained while carrying 5 firearms

Posted by: Tami at March 24, 2021 06:15 PM (cF8AT)

180 All I am saying is that in today's world, right or wrong, they may get away with it

And of course, they will not stop there.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 24, 2021 06:16 PM (W4eKo)

181 Remember the US where folks could disagree with other people?
Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:15 PM (bm04m)

Seems like forever ago.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 24, 2021 06:16 PM (lmikk)

182 Secede.
Posted by: artisanal ette at March 24, 2021 06:08 PM (/TfbG)
.........

This. I keep telling my 89 year old Mom the federal government has become our worst enemy. We grew up in the best of times, but they are over.

Posted by: wth at March 24, 2021 06:16 PM (v0R5T)

183 I've yet to see evidence the Founders considered the Bill of Rights to only apply to the Federal gov't.

Nothing I've read in the Federalist or Anti-Federalist assumed that the rights outlined in the Bill of Rights were only for the federal government to heed. Rather the opposite: they saw these rights as being God-given, inalienable, and inherent to humanity.

That is: everyone has them.

The flaw with the system is that the founders thought that []only the federal government would be so corruptible as to require a constitution to bind it. That they thought local and state government were so close to the citizens that they'd never be able to or likely to attempt to infringe on rights, because the people would fight for them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 24, 2021 06:16 PM (KZzsI)

184 yeah, the thing is is, the get to a red state is starting to matter

Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:16 PM (4Jold)

185 Suggestions?
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I have a nice .22 pistol, but I've been wanting a Ruger Wrangler. That would be one fun gun.

https://ruger.com/products/wrangler/models.html

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at March 24, 2021 06:16 PM (sWM8x)

186 I need another gun...a small .22 pistol. I've got a slew of ammo and nothing to run it through. Yes, I know it wouldn't have a lot of stopping power. But it ought to slow a bad guy down a bit.

Suggestions?
Posted by: creeper

***

S&W 22A. Not particularly well loved so used examples should be cheap. Very much not a carry-sized gun, though. I'd get a little tip-up barrel job for that. Bobcat IIRC.

Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:16 PM (bm04m)

187 @Breaking911 1m



JUST IN: Police investigating suspicious package at Atlanta grocery store where man was detained while carrying 5 firearms

Posted by: Tami at March 24, 2021 06:15 PM (cF8AT)


Wednesday in the People's Republic of Fulton County.

Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six! at March 24, 2021 06:16 PM (ptqGC)

188 Considering that Heller, the victorious litigant in DC v. Heller (2012), who secured for us a ruling that very clearly stated that Americans have the constitutional right to bear arms for personal defense, is STILL waiting for DC to issue him the permit that was at issue in his case . . . I expect great things from Our Black-Robed Masters when this case hits 'em.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 24, 2021 06:17 PM (5t43r)

189 Every time there is a mass shooting, our side needs to have rallies and protests and a flood of posts about how this was all preventable if open and concealed carry was not restricted in some areas and entire states.

The greatest argument for "keep and bear" is the violence unleashed by they Left, and their policies, and we need to ram that fact down their throats.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 24, 2021 06:17 PM (LWu6U)

190 All I am saying is that in today's world, right or wrong, they may get away with it

And of course, they will not stop there.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 24, 2021 06:16 PM (W4eKo)

I am sure they will not. Just like they did not stop with gays in the Military. Now they want to lop off dicks in the Military on the gov's dime

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2021 06:17 PM (GPwVZ)

191
Time is running short, for all of us.
Posted by: Thrawn


...let him who hath understanding reckon the number of the beast, for it is a human number...

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 24, 2021 06:17 PM (n+4am)

192 It's in the words they chose: "Congress shall make no law... :
When the founders wanted to talk about states and their legislatures, they used those words.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 24, 2021 06:15 PM (hVqGz)
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Exactly. It's only the ACLU and know-it-all judges that have ignored that "Congress" is specific language. And doesn't necessarily entail "everybody's plan for government".

Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:17 PM (FYe3W)

193 And here I had this old fashioned notion that We the People had Rights and the Govt had powers but apparently the govt can deign to give us permission or not to exercise those Rights.
And people wonder why I've had my U.S. flag hanging upside-down since the election was "certified"...

Posted by: Daniel J Kunkle at March 24, 2021 06:17 PM (bkqDH)

194 Yes, I know it wouldn't have a lot of stopping power. But it ought to slow a bad guy down a bit.

Posted by: creeper

It took down Bobby Kennedy so there's that.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2021 06:17 PM (Rvt88)

195 Hey I am no lawyer and I do not agree with the ruling. All I am saying is that in today's world, right or wrong, they may get away with it
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2021 06:14 PM (GPwVZ)


Oh I meant no, it's not just open carry. It says "small arms capable of being concealed, whether they are carrying concealed or open carry."

Posted by: Jordan61 at March 24, 2021 06:17 PM (Ez6QX)

196 JUST IN: Police investigating suspicious package at Atlanta grocery store where man was detained while carrying 5 firearms

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The Atlanta that hasn't had a Republican mayor in 150 years?

Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:17 PM (bm04m)

197 Open carry is straight up illegal in CA. If it wasn't, I'd look like a fucking cowboy every time I set foot outdoors. So I can't get too twisted up about this one. BLue states are going to do what they're going to do.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 24, 2021 06:13 PM (46GDR)
++++

Last I checked, you can open carry in CA, but the weapon has to be unloaded.

Really, it's true.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 24, 2021 06:17 PM (hVqGz)

198 > Open carry is straight up illegal in CA. If it wasn't, I'd look like a fucking cowboy every time I set foot outdoors. So I can't get too twisted up about this one. Blue states are going to do what they're going to do.

Pro gun subs on Reddit may think this is Fudd-lore, but I've always thought a criminal who spotted me open carrying might choose to amble by and shoot me in the back of the head before I even knew I was in danger. I'd much rather look like a sheep and potentially catch a criminal off-guard.

Criminals get to set the time and place and I'm no gunslinger.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 24, 2021 06:17 PM (UW2ZS)

199 Burn
Svatter
Salt

Posted by: vmom super straight stabby stabber stabalot at March 24, 2021 06:18 PM (GBZnB)

200 Yeah right to "bear" arms is very difficult to parse. Lots of emanations and penumbras there. Fucking twats.

Posted by: ... at March 24, 2021 06:18 PM (uEbPt)

201 If the states are bound by the constitution to allow abortions and gay marriage then they damn well should be bound by the 2nd Amendment.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 24, 2021 06:18 PM (2DOZq)

202 Scatter
or maybe Spatter

Posted by: vmom super straight stabby stabber stabalot at March 24, 2021 06:18 PM (GBZnB)

203 Have we already talked about sleepy proclaiming that there isn't ANYTHING a woman can't so just as well as a man, if not better?

Not a SINGLE thing, he sez.

That might be true in sleepy's case, I guess.

Posted by: lizabth at March 24, 2021 06:18 PM (L3Rsz)

204 JUST IN: Police investigating suspicious package at Atlanta grocery store where man was detained while carrying 5 firearms

Posted by: Tami at March 24, 2021 06:15 PM (cF8AT)

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White supremacy.

Posted by: Democrat Psychic Hotline at March 24, 2021 06:18 PM (FYe3W)

205 They don't have to "take" the guns. They just have to make it nearly impossible to own one. Tax everything associated with them. Require "training", mental health checks, registration with the Fed, etc.

It's not going to be a shooting war... it's going to be a legal war. At least at first.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at March 24, 2021 06:19 PM (3H9h1)

206 Huck Fawaii.

With a pineapple.

Posted by: HI Bored of Tourism at March 24, 2021 06:19 PM (GYqYy)

207 JUST IN: Police investigating suspicious package at Atlanta grocery store where man was detained while carrying 5 firearms

Posted by: Tami

A bag of salad where it isn't already pre-wilted would be pretty suspicious.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2021 06:19 PM (Rvt88)

208 If you're in a blue state move to a red one.



If you're in a blue city in a red state, move to the country.



We should concentrate our numbers and then secede.



Complaining and campaigning isn't going to fix this.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at March 24, 2021 06:15 PM (IEhxE)
I am starting to be the new Willow it seems. But no one can replace Willow. Aside from that I agree with you wholeheartedly. Many will say it is not that easy, but it never is. The answer if you want to drop a weight is to move to a deep red area. I wish there was an easier option. I promise you, if I knew one, I would spell it out.

Posted by: Quint at March 24, 2021 06:19 PM (mP2It)

209 Read Sen Hirohito won't vote for anyone unless they are a minority or a female

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Or an alphabet member freakazoid.

Posted by: Lady in Black at March 24, 2021 06:19 PM (O+I8R)

210 > Last I checked, you can open carry in CA, but the weapon has to be unloaded.

Gun laws in the US are so hodge-podge and stupid. For a while, here in the WA, you could own and mount a suppressor to your gun, but if you fired a gun with a suppressor mounted, you'd committed a crime.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 24, 2021 06:19 PM (UW2ZS)

211 I'm drinking my own cocktail recipe-vodka and Jaegermeister Cold Brew. It's a little sweet but pretty good.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at March 24, 2021 06:19 PM (lgiXo)

212 I need another gun...a small .22 pistol. I've got a slew of ammo and nothing to run it through.

**

Assuming you have enough you might be able to trade outright, honestly. I think bricks of 500 rounds are going for $120+ right now.

Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:19 PM (bm04m)

213 I never open carry.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 24, 2021 06:19 PM (3u/Hk)

214 the thing is is if the first and second amendments are unclear and or ambiguous, that is not going to be a good thing for the 15th and 19th amendments.

Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:20 PM (4Jold)

215 Oops. DC v. Heller was 2008, not 2012.

I apologize for the error.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 24, 2021 06:20 PM (5t43r)

216 I'm from Jersey, and there you could be a business owner handling large sums of cash in high crime districts, and still you will be denied right to carry.

NJ has been in violation of the second for as long as I have been alive - going back to the 60s race riots.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 24, 2021 06:20 PM (LWu6U)

217 If you steal a election, no telling when the public will uprising and hang you from a bridge upside down.

Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2021 06:20 PM (Cxk7w)

218 Thank you, Lysenko. The Bobcat sounds like what I'm looking for.

Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 06:20 PM (XxJt1)

219
Last I checked, you can open carry in CA, but the weapon has to be unloaded.

Really, it's true.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous


As I understand it, it used to be that way, but they "fixed" that a few years ago.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 24, 2021 06:20 PM (n+4am)

220 This was discussed on a previous thread but if you want to read the whole story:

@DailyCaller

Charlottesville Mayor Posts Vulgar Poem About Her City Referencing Rape And A 'Cum Stained Sheet'

https://tinyurl.com/yzp4qzts

Posted by: Tami at March 24, 2021 06:20 PM (cF8AT)

221 As regards to focusing on the Federal Government before the 14th:

This is a direct quote from the 1st amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Right there that bit about Congress. The other amendments I don't believe have the same phrasing up to the 10th anyway

Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 06:21 PM (h4cy5)

222 I am starting to be the new Willow it seems. But no one can replace Willow.

Posted by: Quint at March 24, 2021 06:19 PM (mP2It)
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Sharon will not appreciate your jumping in line.

Posted by: Democrat Psychic Hotline at March 24, 2021 06:21 PM (FYe3W)

223 Hahaha, raimondo is outright calling the Horde insurrectionists on the last thread.

Remember the US where folks could disagree with other people?

Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:15 PM (bm04m)

You'd think he'd be happy after being confirmed.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at March 24, 2021 06:21 PM (uhPTO)

224 Oh I meant no, it's not just open carry. It says "small arms capable of being concealed, whether they are carrying concealed or open carry."
Posted by: Jordan61 at March 24, 2021 06:17 PM (Ez6QX)

Ah ok thanks...I was only repeating what someone wrote above. Thanks for the clarification

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2021 06:21 PM (GPwVZ)

225 How can you have rape zones if women are gonna go around bearing arms willy nilly?

Posted by: ... at March 24, 2021 06:21 PM (uEbPt)

226 JUST IN: Police investigating suspicious package at Atlanta grocery store where man was detained while carrying 5 firearms

Amazon packages?

Posted by: dantesed at March 24, 2021 06:21 PM (88xKn)

227 I need another gun...a small .22 pistol. I've got a slew of ammo and nothing to run it through. Yes, I know it wouldn't have a lot of stopping power. But it ought to slow a bad guy down a bit.

Suggestions?
Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 06:14 PM (XxJt1)


Actually for indoors it's an ok choice. You won't go deaf. There's some absolutely insane/cool target pistols that run .22, but they're kinda pricey. My suggestion if you're looking for a semi would be the Ruger SR22 or the Sig Sauer Mosquito. Both are super-modern do-it-all designs. Sig actually makes a 1911 chambered in .22, if you want to be fancy - but that's probably not the best all-rounder.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 24, 2021 06:21 PM (46GDR)

228 Thank you, Lysenko. The Bobcat sounds like what I'm looking for.
Posted by: creeper

***

I don't have one but know a surveyor who carries one every day everywhere. Neat little wallet-shaped holster that slides right in his back pocket.

Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:22 PM (bm04m)

229 Can we import the weather from Banana Republics now that we officially are one?

Posted by: Bete at March 24, 2021 06:22 PM (Ojki1)

230 211 I'm drinking my own cocktail recipe-vodka and Jaegermeister Cold Brew. It's a little sweet but pretty good.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at March 24, 2021 06:19 PM (lgiXo)


Having never tasted (or known about) Jager Cold Brew, would you say it could be used as a Kahlua substitute in a Black Russian?

Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at March 24, 2021 06:22 PM (O6DoG)

231 As suspected from the case number, this case has been pending since 2012.

9 years this guy has been waiting for his concealed carry permit.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 24, 2021 06:22 PM (5t43r)

232 > It's in the words they chose: "Congress shall make no law... :
When the founders wanted to talk about states and their legislatures, they used those words.

OK, assuming for argument's sake that's correct, that phrase only appears in the First Amendment. Why did the other nine have to be "incorporated?"

Posted by: bonhomme at March 24, 2021 06:22 PM (UW2ZS)

233 Meant to say White Russian...

Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at March 24, 2021 06:23 PM (O6DoG)

234 Exquisitely 9th Circus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_XVntliea0

Posted by: Braenyard, starving the beast at March 24, 2021 06:23 PM (zl7B8)

235 They don't have to "take" the guns. They just have
to make it nearly impossible to own one. Tax everything associated with
them. Require "training", mental health checks, registration with the
Fed, etc.



It's not going to be a shooting war... it's going to be a legal war. At least at first.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at March 24, 2021 06:19 PM (3H9h1)

even Clinton could never dream of such a thing. He only banned new imports and new sales of high capacity magazines. How are they going to tax existing weapons? People are going to pay a tax on the weapons they own? You know, in even some formerly free states, there is no registration. And if you live in a deep red area, will not the cops themselves resist?

Posted by: Quint at March 24, 2021 06:23 PM (mP2It)

236 Oops. DC v. Heller was 2008, not 2012.

I apologize for the error.
Posted by: Sharkman at March 24, 2021 06:20 PM (5t43r)
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Last I heard, Heller still can't own a gun in DC.

That's how strictly libs follow judgments that go against them.

Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:23 PM (FYe3W)

237 JUST IN: Police investigating suspicious package at Atlanta grocery store where man was detained


was he carrying them with permits?

Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:23 PM (4Jold)

238 214 the thing is is if the first and second amendments are unclear and or ambiguous, that is not going to be a good thing for the 15th and 19th amendments.
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:20 PM (4Jold)

Well what constitutes sex has become awfully ambiguous lately.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at March 24, 2021 06:23 PM (Zm+LZ)

239 Assuming you have enough you might be able to trade outright, honestly. I think bricks of 500 rounds are going for $120+ right now.
Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:19 PM (bm04m)


Holy cow! I had no idea ammo was that expensive. Along with a new .22 I think an ammo safe is in order.

Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 06:23 PM (XxJt1)

240 O.M.G.!!!

@townhallcom

Does President Biden know he's holding his first solo press conference tomorrow?

Based on how he responded to a reporter's question, we're not so sure.

https://tinyurl.com/ygpl3gfk

Posted by: Tami at March 24, 2021 06:23 PM (cF8AT)

241 ace blew his own margins.

Posted by: Aetius451AD




It's okay. He gave himself the courtesy of a reach-around.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 24, 2021 06:23 PM (5t43r)

242 I repeat:

Every time there is a mass shooting, our side needs to have rallies and protests and a flood of posts about how this was all preventable if open and concealed carry was not restricted in some areas and entire states.

The greatest argument for "keep and bear" is the violence unleashed by the Left, and their policies, and we need to ram that fact down their throats.


I want the dems to cringe everytime there is a mass shooting, knowing that their policies are going to be under assault by logic and reason from our side. Make them downplay mass shooting because they make themselves look bad.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 24, 2021 06:24 PM (LWu6U)

243 Nothing I've read in the Federalist or Anti-Federalist assumed that the rights outlined in the Bill of Rights were only for the federal government to heed. Rather the opposite: they saw these rights as being God-given, inalienable, and inherent to humanity.
That is: everyone has them.
The flaw with the system is that the founders thought that []only the federal government would be so corruptible as to require a constitution to bind it. That they thought local and state government were so close to the citizens that they'd never be able to or likely to attempt to infringe on rights, because the people would fight for them.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 24, 2021 06:16 PM (KZzsI)
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The thing you need to remember was that the people negotiating all this were politicians representing their states. They were worried about the new federal government clamping down on the states and taking over the prerogatives of the state governments. They very much wanted to retain these powers for themselves, not to tie their own hands. All the restrictions in the federal constitution and all that talk about limited, defined powers was about the new federal government.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 24, 2021 06:24 PM (hVqGz)

244 There's a meme making the rounds:

Biden will never get my guns. I keep them upstairs.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at March 24, 2021 06:24 PM (YynYJ)

245 I need another gun...a small .22 pistol. I've got a slew of ammo and nothing to run it through. Yes, I know it wouldn't have a lot of stopping power. But it ought to slow a bad guy down a bit.

Suggestions?
Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 06:14 PM (XxJt1)
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I have a cute little Beretta Bobcat. My everyday carry is a 9mm S&W M&P Shield, but my Bobcat is on my CCW too. However, your everyday run of the mill .22 round will not cycle the gun. I use CCI mini mag and it runs like a dream. I could put 8 rounds into a bad guy's eye in the blink of that unfortunate eye.

Posted by: tommylotto at March 24, 2021 06:24 PM (AD5ZC)

246 There are a couple states with registration laws that owners have not complied with.
Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 05:56 PM (h4cy5)

New York

Posted by: Marcus Gravey at March 24, 2021 06:24 PM (UdUN9)

247
I'm from Jersey, and there you could be a business owner handling large sums of cash in high crime districts, and still you will be denied right to carry.

NJ has been in violation of the second for as long as I have been alive - going back to the 60s race riots.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest


You have to make LARGE donations to the Sheriff's re-election fund. That's how it works in most of CA.

Fresno County is a notable exception. It's rather like Texas when it comes to concealed carry, because Sheriff Mims isn't a shit-head. Which reminds me, I need to get started on my license. I feel nekkid without having one, like I did when I was in Texas.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 24, 2021 06:24 PM (n+4am)

248 https://tinyurl.com/ygpl3gfk

Posted by: Tami at March 24, 2021 06:23 PM (cF8AT)


I saw that earlier. I'm going to need more popcorn and alcohol.

Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six! at March 24, 2021 06:25 PM (ptqGC)

249 "Openly carry" I guess that means you're carrying out in the open and not at home.

Which is dumb but then that's what some people are. How do they square that with the definite words "shall not be infringed"?

Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 06:25 PM (h4cy5)

250 In the absence of any concrete information I'm going to label that Atlanta incident as another false flag.

Fasten your seat belts. We're going to see something similar to this daily from now on.

Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 06:25 PM (XxJt1)

251 Holy cow! I had no idea ammo was that expensive. Along with a new .22 I think an ammo safe is in order.
Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 06:23 PM (XxJt1)

***

Yeah, it's nuts right now. Primer shortages seem to be driving it. If you've got an extra brick I would certainly try to get $100 or so towards the gun purchase. look at

ammoseek.com

to browse prices in order to get some negotiating power.

Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:25 PM (bm04m)

252 And by the way, how does restricting line returns and white space foil spammers? Does it really help to force all commenters to post walls of text?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 24, 2021 06:25 PM (hVqGz)

253 I repeat:

Every time there is a mass shooting, our side needs to have rallies and protests and a flood of posts about how this was all preventable if open and concealed carry was not restricted in some areas and entire states.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 24, 2021 06:24 PM (LWu6U)
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"No explanation to why conservatives are celebrating mass shootings."

Posted by: Mainstream Media at March 24, 2021 06:25 PM (FYe3W)

254 Having never tasted (or known about) Jager Cold Brew, would you say it could be used as a Kahlua substitute in a Black Russian?
Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at March 24, 2021 06:22 PM (O6DoG)
Yes

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at March 24, 2021 06:25 PM (lgiXo)

255 51 Well, there's another year of my pretty much not bothering to go to a gun store for they will be sold out...

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 24, 2021 05:54 PM (49Dnm)


It's not only difficult to find guns to buy, it's becoming difficult to buy spare parts for some older weapons. While you're waiting for guns to be in stock, I suggest buying spare parts for what you have, new or old. Especially springs and pins. There are lots and lots of parts sellers are on the Web, including some of the weapon manufacturers themselves.

Posted by: Gref at March 24, 2021 06:25 PM (AMIL/)

256 And by out in the open I mean you yourself are out of the house in the open and even if you've concealed the firearm that's still "in the open".

God I hate lawyers.

Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 06:26 PM (h4cy5)

257 ITC, hugs.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 24, 2021 06:26 PM (C19Ao)

258
All of a sudden the constitution reads:

Look, screwheads. People can own and personally carry anywhere they want, any type of firearm. For what purpose? Not our fucking business. We do not know what kind of weapons you have in the future, but we despair because you seem kinda stupid.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 24, 2021 06:09 PM (lmikk)

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The progs have weaponized stupidity. AND allow it to be open carried world-wide.

Posted by: Just Lily. Thread-Winner Elect at March 24, 2021 06:26 PM (UJKrB)

259 @198

Also, in many parts of California (and other blue areas), open carrying will result in trigger-happy cops rapidly showing up. Said cops will have absolutely no knowledge of the gun laws (though they likely believe that they do) and whether what you're doing is legal, and the presence of a gun will make them extremely twitchy.

Posted by: junior at March 24, 2021 06:26 PM (YaUsQ)

260 The thing you need to remember was that the people negotiating all this were politicians representing their states. They were worried about the new federal government clamping down on the states and taking over the prerogatives of the state governments.

Which is a fair concern as we've all seen played out over the last 250 years.

But there is not a single person at that convention who would have disagreed with the statement "and all this applies at the state level, too"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 24, 2021 06:26 PM (KZzsI)

261 150 44 This seems kinda silly. States have always had the right to allow or disallow open/conceal carry.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 24, 2021 05:53 PM (CjFDo)
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Incorrect, Sir. They had that power (not right) from the founding up through the passage of the 14th amendment. The 14th extended the restrictions of the 2nd on the federal government onto the states.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 24, 2021 06:10 PM (hVqGz)
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Out: U.S. Constitution for Dummies.

In: U.S. Constitution for Fuckheads.

Posted by: ShainS at March 24, 2021 06:26 PM (c3dw6)

262 there's another year of my pretty much not bothering to go to a gun store for they will be sold out...

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 24, 2021 05:54 PM (49Dnm)



there are more than enough guns around to be had.

Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:26 PM (4Jold)

263 And by the way, how does restricting line returns and white space foil spammers? Does it really help to force all commenters to post walls of text?
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous

It helps to cut down the copying of the entire thread and reposting it repeatedly.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2021 06:26 PM (Rvt88)

264
Under Hawaii's law, residents have to show the "urgency or the need" to carry a firearm in public and must be of good moral character and "engaged in the protection of life and property."

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The government or one of its designated agents (Antifa, gang members, vibrant undocumented immigrants) may have an urgent need to shoot you, and if you carry, that interferes with exercise of that right.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at March 24, 2021 06:26 PM (Wje2X)

265 creeper -
for $200 or less (usually), the Heritage Rough Rider is considered an excellent single action .22 revolver, probably the best deal for the money. there are many others, including double action models. ditto semi-autos.
I have owned and carried the North American Arms Mini .22 for decades, but while reliable and utterly concealable, its tiny size is also a drawback as far as easy functionality goes. I practice a lot.

I recommend bringing this question to the Gun Thread on Sunday evening where it can get full attention from a Horde of shooters

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 24, 2021 06:26 PM (L76Ru)

266 aving never tasted (or known about) Jager Cold Brew, would you say it could be used as a Kahlua substitute in a Black Russian?

Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at March 24, 2021 06:22 PM (O6DoG)

I could see that in a pinch. with Germany and Russia, and maybe some Italian style coffee, it could be called The Axis.

Now some Fernet Branca mixed in and it would definitely be The Axis. It was also blow a hole in your ass.

Posted by: Quint at March 24, 2021 06:27 PM (mP2It)

267 I see the need for a light weight flame thrower ... especially one with non rusting components as could be used in a state with lots of salt water and beaches ...

Posted by: Adriane the Technology Critic ... at March 24, 2021 06:27 PM (LPnfS)

268 If a civil war can be unilateral with only one side taking offensive action, yes, this has been a full-blown civil war for about five years now.

I think there is a other name for this, though.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 24, 2021 06:27 PM (puu6v)

269 "Openly carry" I guess that means you're carrying out in the open and not at home.

***

The most valuable part of open carry is not getting in a heap of trouble for accidentally printing or reaching above your head and briefly exposing your concealed carry weapon.

Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:27 PM (bm04m)

270 Last I checked, you can open carry in CA, but the weapon has to be unloaded.
Really, it's true.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous
As I understand it, it used to be that way, but they "fixed" that a few years ago.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 24, 2021 06:20 PM (n+4am)


Counties with fewer than 200k residents (are there ANY?) in CA are allowed to issue open carry permits.

There was just a ruling in August - I'm pretty sure the judge (9th circuit Obongo appointee) blocked it when 2 guys challenged.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 24, 2021 06:27 PM (46GDR)

271 Posted by: tommylotto at March 24, 2021 06:24 PM (AD5ZC)

Same with my Glock 44. You need to use 40 grain high velocity to get optimal operation.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 24, 2021 06:27 PM (2DOZq)

272 Huh, who knew the plain English of the Second Amendment was anything but?

I had no idea "Shall not be infringed" actually meant, "Shall be infringed at the whim power mad politicians."

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 24, 2021 06:27 PM (2SdPm)

273 I recommend bringing this question to the Gun Thread on Sunday evening where it can get full attention from a Horde of shooters

**

this.

Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:27 PM (bm04m)

274
ITC, hugs.
Posted by: Ben Had

MWAH!

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 24, 2021 06:28 PM (n+4am)

275 268 If a civil war can be unilateral with only one side taking offensive action, yes, this has been a full-blown civil war for about five years now.

I think there is a other name for this, though.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 24, 2021 06:27 PM (puu6v)

Persecution?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at March 24, 2021 06:28 PM (Zm+LZ)

276 The Biggest Lie the Right ever fell for was believing that the "Republican" party was ever a "conservative" party. Never has, never will be.

Posted by: Eat The Eloi at March 24, 2021 06:28 PM (RGRIY)

277 Biden will never get my guns. I keep them upstairs.

***

hahaha

Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:28 PM (bm04m)

278 I just wish the same zealots who fought so hard for utterly unrestricted free expression no matter how ghastly and destructive would lift a single finger for this right, as well.

Its a CONSTIUTUTIONAL RIGHT to have porn and tranny story hour with Johnny "forgot his undies while sitting spread legged" but not to carry a weapon, somehow.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 24, 2021 06:29 PM (KZzsI)

279 I think the response to anyone calling for gun control should remind them that all gun control laws stem from the state trying to prevent blacks from owing/carrying firearms.

Started really heavily in California when the Black Panthers were walking around in the "open" with shotguns and rifles.

Calif Legislators took offense and thus began the latest round of restrictions on firearms.

The previous one was mostly about automatic weapons but it was also about blacks defending themselves from the KKK in the depression years.

Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 06:29 PM (h4cy5)

280 We have to win in 22, bishes.

Or the Dems will raise corporate taxes!

Posted by: GOPe at March 24, 2021 06:29 PM (XvGuI)

281 You can carry a penis, it just needs to be separate from your body.

Posted by: Future Judges at March 24, 2021 06:29 PM (FYe3W)

282 It helps to cut down the copying of the entire thread and reposting it repeatedly.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2021 06:26 PM (Rvt8

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Hmmm... I would think that a simple character count restriction would achieve that goal. No comments over 2000 characters (or whatever length).

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 24, 2021 06:30 PM (hVqGz)

283 I recommend bringing this question to the Gun Thread on Sunday evening where it can get full attention from a Horde of shooters
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 24, 2021 06:26 PM (L76Ru)


Well, duh. Why did it take you to remind me of the Gun Thread? Excellent advice.

I'm thinking that hanging on to ammo isn't a bad idea. It might make good trading stock when the SHTF.

Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 06:30 PM (XxJt1)

284 You can carry a penis, it just needs to be separate from your body.
Posted by: Future Judges

We need common sense penis control!!

Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2021 06:30 PM (Rvt88)

285 Its a CONSTIUTUTIONAL RIGHT to have porn and tranny story hour with Johnny "forgot his undies while sitting spread legged" but not to carry a weapon, somehow.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 24, 2021 06:29 PM (KZzsI)
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Cuomo is skating for killing thousands and being hung out to dry for sexual harassment.

I sort of think one is a tad bit worse than the other, but, then again, I'm a Christian bitterly clinging to my guns and religion, and, therefore, my opinion is automatically suspect.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 24, 2021 06:30 PM (2SdPm)

286 Counties with fewer than 200k residents (are there ANY?) in CA are allowed to issue open carry permits.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 24, 2021 06:27 PM (46GDR)


There are. I lived in one for a while.

Posted by: Jordan61 at March 24, 2021 06:30 PM (Ez6QX)

287 You can carry a penis, it just needs to be separate from your body.
Posted by: Future Judges at March 24, 2021
Open carry?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at March 24, 2021 06:31 PM (lgiXo)

288 Tami other than he probably has no idea what day it is tomorrow what's new about that?

Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2021 06:31 PM (Cxk7w)

289 Under Hawaii's law, residents have to show the "urgency or the need" to carry a firearm in public and must be of good moral character and "engaged in the protection of life and property."

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Last time I was in Hawaii, my husband went out for a run- some native guy chased him thru a field . We told the hotel and police and they were like, "Oh, that's just XYZ. He's a little crazy".

That crazy guy is pretty lucky my husband didn't have his gun.

Posted by: LASue at March 24, 2021 06:31 PM (Ed8Zd)

290 Also, in many parts of California (and other blue
areas), open carrying will result in trigger-happy cops rapidly showing
up. Said cops will have absolutely no knowledge of the gun laws (though
they likely believe that they do) and whether what you're doing is
legal, and the presence of a gun will make them extremely twitchy.


Posted by: junior at March 24, 2021 06:26 PM (YaUsQ)

That was common in VA back in the day. What it would be like now in a blue area is likely not good. But the thing about Virginia, and the thing they have or had even over Texas, is open carry was ALWAYS legal. They didn't have to pass a new law because it was already legal. Sure in The Swamp, you would get some Neanderthal Karen freaked and they would call cops that think they know the law but don't .

Posted by: Quint at March 24, 2021 06:31 PM (mP2It)

291 Hmmm... I would think that a simple character count restriction would achieve that goal. No comments over 2000 characters (or whatever length).
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous

Pixey's ways are unknowable.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2021 06:31 PM (Rvt88)

292 Hmmm... I would think that a simple character count restriction would achieve that goal. No comments over 2000 characters (or whatever length).
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 24, 2021 06:30 PM (hVqGz)

A character limit doesn't mitigate a mess of carriage returns all in a row.

Posted by: ... at March 24, 2021 06:32 PM (uEbPt)

293 ts a CONSTIUTUTIONAL RIGHT to have porn and tranny story hour with Johnny "forgot his undies while sitting spread legged" but not to carry a weapon, somehow.


the thing is is it is all or nothing, either you believe in the entire thing or none of it

so if you have the hots for censoring prn then you have the hots for gun bans

Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:32 PM (4Jold)

294 Last I heard, Heller still can't own a gun in DC.

That's how strictly libs follow judgments that go against them.

Posted by: Axeman


Yep. DC has basically said: "Fuck your big Supreme Court win, buddy. We're still processing your permit application."

The original case filing that led to DC v. Heller ruling was filed in 2003, so Heller is still waiting, 18 years later.

"Justice delayed is justice denied."

Posted by: Sharkman at March 24, 2021 06:32 PM (5t43r)

295 Oh, yeah, Beretta Bobcat would be an excellent choice !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 24, 2021 06:32 PM (L76Ru)

296 287 You can carry a penis, it just needs to be separate from your body.
Posted by: Future Judges at March 24, 2021
Open carry?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at March 24, 2021 06:31 PM (lgiXo)


I seem to recall a toy as a kid in the 60s called "The Sixth Finger."

Note to self to call Hasbro... (I can haz bro?)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 24, 2021 06:32 PM (s2VJv)

297 286 Counties with fewer than 200k residents (are there ANY?) in CA are allowed to issue open carry permits.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 24, 2021 06:27 PM (46GDR)

I grew up in one

Posted by: Marcus Gravey at March 24, 2021 06:32 PM (UdUN9)

298 @247

In Orange County, CCW permits went to "shall issue" several years ago. But iirc, the sheriff who had decided that (who was an interim choice whose real job was a coroner) didn't run for reelection. I don't know what the current sheriff's stance is.

Posted by: junior at March 24, 2021 06:32 PM (YaUsQ)

299 The previous one was mostly about automatic weapons but it was also about blacks defending themselves from the KKK in the depression years.
Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 06:29 PM (h4cy5)


Good point, maybe we can get BLM to want to start open carrying here in CA to protect themselves from de white debbil. The courts would have no recourse but to allow it. Win/win.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 24, 2021 06:33 PM (46GDR)

300 if you are going to have a gun get an ar

Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:33 PM (4Jold)

301 To be honest, if a cabal of rootless pedophiles can take over the country without anyone firing a shot in response, does the Second Amendment really have any mileage?

--

This is a deeply disturbing observation. And there's much truth to it, by all accounts. Just looking at what happened Nov. 3 brings this home.

Posted by: Lady in Black at March 24, 2021 06:33 PM (O+I8R)

302 And just a reminder: Jim Brady was shot in the head with a .22

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at March 24, 2021 06:34 PM (YynYJ)

303 if you are going to have a handgun get a glock

Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:34 PM (4Jold)

304 This is pretty much directly in contradiction with Heller and thus it's a tax with no standing and cert denied.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at March 24, 2021 06:34 PM (GbPPJ)

305 The most valuable part of open carry is not getting
in a heap of trouble for accidentally printing or reaching above your
head and briefly exposing your concealed carry weapon.



Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:27 PM (bm04m)

as a long time ccw, I think that concern is very overrated. That is something people worry about who are new. The thing is, you figure out what works for you. You never take it lightly, but there is a point when your sidearm is no different than your keys or wallet when you are out and about.

Posted by: Quint at March 24, 2021 06:34 PM (mP2It)

306 Yep. DC has basically said: "Fuck your big Supreme Court win, buddy. We're still processing your permit application."

The original case filing that led to DC v. Heller ruling was filed in 2003, so Heller is still waiting, 18 years later.
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Yup. Unlike the immediate action that was required in NC despite that the sitting clerk conscientiously objected to signing same-sex marriage certificates.

Posted by: Future Judges at March 24, 2021 06:34 PM (FYe3W)

307 > Good point, maybe we can get BLM to want to start open carrying here in CA to protect themselves from de white debbil. The courts would have no recourse but to allow it. Win/win.

Isn't that what the "Not Fucking Around Coalition" idiots were doing?

Posted by: bonhomme at March 24, 2021 06:35 PM (UW2ZS)

308 Fresno County is a notable exception. It's rather like Texas when it comes to concealed carry, because Sheriff Mims isn't a shit-head. Which reminds me, I need to get started on my license. I feel nekkid without having one, like I did when I was in Texas.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 24, 2021 06:24 PM (n+4am)
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Same here in Kern County. In fact, the deputy I talked to, when starting permit process, flat out told me, "We're looking for a reason to issue you a permit."

Which was nice.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 24, 2021 06:35 PM (2SdPm)

309 Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 24, 2021 06:30 PM (hVqGz)

Argue with ace.

Probably some limit of Pixy.

Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 06:35 PM (h4cy5)

310 Ruger lightweight 8 shot .22 revolver is my recommendation if it is to be used as a carry weapon.

.22 autos are too finicky for me to ever use as a carry weapon.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 24, 2021 06:35 PM (2DOZq)

311 the thing is is, if there is a cw the chinese are going to grab hi then nobody is going to have to worry about this

except the hi guys that are being turned into comfort whores and orgn dnrs when they are our of uighurs

Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:35 PM (4Jold)

312 Piss on Collins and the gopE; they have received my last ever vote and dollar. As of the 7th of January 2021 I became an Independent and will only vote for Trump or Trump endorsed candidates.

Oh, and fuck the 9th Circuit circus clowns. Fucking cocksuckers!!!

Where's Wu??

Posted by: Al Swearingen at March 24, 2021 06:36 PM (YJ7Ax)

313 I seem to recall a toy as a kid in the 60s called "The Sixth Finger."

Note to self to call Hasbro... (I can haz bro?)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 24, 2021

Made me laugh.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at March 24, 2021 06:36 PM (lgiXo)

314 It's not like we're cutting off their arms!

They can keep their arms.

Posted by: Lib Municipality Leaders at March 24, 2021 06:36 PM (FYe3W)

315 20 ace blew his own margins.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 24, 2021 05:50 PM (lmikk)

Where's little Kammie when she's needed? I'd blame her.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at March 24, 2021 06:37 PM (okGHj)

316 >>>How are they going to tax existing weapons? People are going to pay a tax on the weapons they own? You know, in even some formerly free states, there is no registration. And if you live in a deep red area, will not the cops themselves resist?
Posted by: Quint at March 24, 2021 06:23 PM (mP2It)
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They will make it a felony to sell or buy a weapon without paying tax. Therefore the trade and the previous owner and new purchaser will be on their new digitzed list.

In deep Red areas one will sell his weapon to an undercover FIBBER.

We let them pass this crap it's going to be shitty.

Posted by: Braenyard, starving the beast at March 24, 2021 06:37 PM (zl7B8)

317 Clutch: Ruger SR 22. Uptwinkles.

Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2021 06:37 PM (qIJUH)

318
I seem to recall a toy as a kid in the 60s called "The Sixth Finger."

Note to self to call Hasbro... (I can haz bro?)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton


May favorite Outer Limits episode

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0667848

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 24, 2021 06:37 PM (63Dwl)

319 When your run-of-the-mill 9mm is classified as a class 3 firearm...

Lawfare people. The Feds decide what's what. Not your state.

And the Fed can decide to make it retroactive.

Compliance is another issue. But noncompliance will be met with force... bet on it.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at March 24, 2021 06:37 PM (3H9h1)

320 >>> Posted by: banana Dream.....Hawaii didn't go to the appeals court, the defendant did.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 24, 2021 05:59 PM (CjFDo)

Why? He won. In 2018 he won in the 9th circuit. Young v. Hawaii.

Posted by: banana Dream at March 24, 2021 06:37 PM (+gFOr)

321
Well regulated-Well equipped
Militia-Regular fuckin guys
Shall not be infringed-You're retarded if you don't get this one

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 24, 2021 06:38 PM (kTF2Z)

322 300 if you are going to have a gun get an ar
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:33 PM (4Jold)

Pretty happy with my M1A

Posted by: Marcus Gravey at March 24, 2021 06:38 PM (UdUN9)

323 I'm being flippant. I shouldn't be. I apologize.

Is there a cocktail called The Flippant? There should be.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at March 24, 2021 06:38 PM (lgiXo)

324 @299
Doesn't matter if *all* of BLM open carries. BLM or Antifa member gets arrested, and then released by morning. Case never goes to trial. No appeals to push up the layers of courts that might risk overturning gun laws.

Posted by: junior at March 24, 2021 06:38 PM (YaUsQ)

325 yeah, this sux

Posted by: runner at March 24, 2021 06:38 PM (zr5Kq)

326 A good example of infringement would be a $40,000 tax on firearms.

Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:38 PM (FYe3W)

327 All our fundamental rights are on borrowed time.

Posted by: Homo Viator at March 24, 2021 06:38 PM (APSEi)

328 300 if you are going to have a gun get an ar
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:33 PM (4Jold)

Pretty happy with my M1A
Posted by: M


that is a nice gun but if you have a gun it is not the smart gun, the ar is

Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:39 PM (4Jold)

329 >>>311 the thing is is, if there is a cw the chinese are going to grab hi then nobody is going to have to worry about this

except the hi guys that are being turned into comfort whores and orgn dnrs when they are our of uighurs
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:35 PM (4Jold)
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Credible thought.
Never considered it but they are grabbing everything else in the Pacific.

Posted by: Braenyard, starving the beast at March 24, 2021 06:39 PM (zl7B8)

330 I'm just glad I live in a "shall issue" state cause I couldn't afford the cost of trainers and other courses and registered time on a range.

I have all that just not documented in a way that would be accepted by pencil pushers.

Here you pay 25 bucks and get a photo and they do a background check and bob's your uncle if you're cleared.

Good for 5 years. I know Wolf probably seethes about it but there's no way he can touch it cause the Legislature is GOP. Suck it Wolf.

Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 06:39 PM (h4cy5)

331 BC Jr, I was just going to mention that episode. David McCallum....

Posted by: Mapes, Shadout Mapes at March 24, 2021 06:39 PM (PiwSw)

332 "305 The most valuable part of open carry is not getting
in a heap of trouble for accidentally printing or reaching above your
head and briefly exposing your concealed carry weapon.
Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:27 PM (bm04m)

as a long time ccw, I think that concern is very overrated. That is something people worry about who are new. The thing is, you figure out what works for you. You never take it lightly, but there is a point when your sidearm is no different than your keys or wallet when you are out and about.
Posted by: Quint at March 24, 2021 06:34 PM (mP2It) "


Varies state-to-state ... Indiana is very harsh about "printing" or even momentary failure of full concealment (so I have heard); Wisconsin could care less about this.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 24, 2021 06:40 PM (L76Ru)

333 And just a reminder: Jim Brady was shot in the head with a .22

And remember that's what a 22 can do or not do.

I can't lie, I like big bores

Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2021 06:40 PM (Cxk7w)

334 hi is the center of gravity in the pacific, not grabbing it was a huge mistk for the jpnese

Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:40 PM (4Jold)

335 Just got home from buying a nice shiny new Ruger 10/22, take down, synthetic, stainless, came with a nice case to carry it taken down.

Posted by: davidt at March 24, 2021 06:40 PM (Kq1s2)

336 Why does the left insist on pissing off angry white men?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at March 24, 2021 06:41 PM (lgiXo)

337 A good example of infringement would be a $40,000 tax on firearms.
Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:38 PM (FYe3W)
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Our government won't need to pass any laws infringing on guns. All they have to do is ask financial institutions to stop processing payments and good night Irene.

Financial institutions will line up, because they're infested with a bunch of crusading Karen's who only want what's best for everyone.

Spit.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 24, 2021 06:41 PM (2SdPm)

338 Best Idea I heard was making a law that all able bodied citizens who pass a background check become members of a state militia and thus entitled to keep and bear arms.

Twist that one Bishes.

Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 06:41 PM (h4cy5)

339 Anyone see the movie The Highwaymen? Just about everything Costner walks out of the gun store with is now illegal.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 24, 2021 06:41 PM (kTF2Z)

340 Some idiot cut me off on the highway today!
https://twitter.com/TPSTrafficDC/status/
1374665773105475591

Posted by: andycanuck at March 24, 2021 06:41 PM (iDvKn)

341 The Ninth Circus Court the Nations most overturned Court sent out the clowns and some guy in a Pink Ostrich Costume

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at March 24, 2021 06:41 PM (FLiOE)

342 Biden: "And now, we're going to get down to business here. Ron, who am I turning this over to?"

Ron (POTUS Aide): (paraphrasing) Well, thanks, actually, we're all done now. Press, thanks for the rub and tug, you can go.

https://bit.ly/3lPTATv

Posted by: bonhomme at March 24, 2021 06:41 PM (UW2ZS)

343 My favorite Outer Limits episode

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

Yep! Mine too.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2021 06:41 PM (Rvt88)

344 284 You can carry a penis, it just needs to be separate from your body.
Posted by: Future Judges

We need common sense penis control!!
Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2021 06:30 PM (Rvt8


This should probably have been stated when Mooch was still in the White House.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at March 24, 2021 06:42 PM (okGHj)

345 WAIT
How can one open carry and print.
It's not concealed. It's in the open.
Nothing to print on.

Posted by: Braenyard, starving the beast at March 24, 2021 06:42 PM (zl7B8)

346 You can carry a penis, it just needs to be separate from your body.
Posted by: Future Judges

We need common sense penis control!!
Posted by: T



you should see where I am going to be hiding mine

Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:42 PM (4Jold)

347 Totally Irrelevant Historical Sidebar:

A "Col. Klinck" fought at the Battle of the Bulge. For the US.

Commander of the 3rd Battalion of the 422nd Regiment of the 106th Infantry Division.

No word if his Top Sgt. was named "Schulz".

Posted by: Sharkman at March 24, 2021 06:42 PM (5t43r)

348 I've heard there are only 5 states that don't allow open carry....anyone know if that's true?

Posted by: BignJames at March 24, 2021 06:43 PM (AwYPR)

349 You used to be able to buy dynamite at the local hardware store.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 24, 2021 06:43 PM (2DOZq)

350 And you can only have an Abortion in your own home!
Who shampoos the blood out...is not our concern.
-----From "Shit The 9th Said".com

Posted by: hutch1200 at March 24, 2021 06:43 PM (B3SkM)

351 338 Best Idea I heard was making a law that all able bodied citizens who pass a background check become members of a state militia and thus entitled to keep and bear arms.

Twist that one Bishes.
Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 06:41 PM (h4cy5)

Could do like the Swiss and REQUIRE you to keep and bear arms.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at March 24, 2021 06:43 PM (okGHj)

352 I got your pubic square right here! Oh, public? Oh! Ridiculous.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at March 24, 2021 06:43 PM (03n3v)

353 We are in a two tier justice system
One Leftist goes into the capital and starts a riot he is free clear and making money off it
A conservative goes to rally, never steps in building and is arrested and jailed.

Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2021 06:43 PM (Cxk7w)

354
In Orange County, CCW permits went to "shall issue" several years ago. But iirc, the sheriff who had decided that (who was an interim choice whose real job was a coroner) didn't run for reelection. I don't know what the current sheriff's stance is.
Posted by: junior



About 10 years or so ago, Orange County was thought to be pretty close to shall issue, but it turns out that the Sheriff was essentially selling the licenses for political contributions. He got busted for it and kicked out of office, IIRC.

I haven't kept up with things recently though, so I'm clueless on the current CCW situation there.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 24, 2021 06:44 PM (n+4am)

355 Ruger lightweight 8 shot .22 revolver is my recommendation if it is to be used as a carry weapon.

.22 autos are too finicky for me to ever use as a carry weapon.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 24, 2021 06:35 PM (2DOZq)

Concur.
A .22, shot well, is oddly effective.
As a secondary choice, go with CCI MiniMags if you do have a semi-auto .22 carry pistol. They've been the only 'bet your life' reliable round....and they still occasionally have a dud.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Marcus Brasswang at March 24, 2021 06:44 PM (ifmtJ)

356 Go ahead and pass whatever law Supreme Court. You lost your legitimacy with the stole election. I doubt even %1 of gun owners pay will obey clowns.

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at March 24, 2021 06:45 PM (ftFVW)

357 Lol. Black students hardest hit by Miami's curfew.

Because, well they ARE, racist!

Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:45 PM (FYe3W)

358 >I'm not particularly enamored with open carry as long as concealed carry is available. I would not vote against it but doesn't mean I have to like it.

Well, you're entitled to your opinion.

But my civil rights are not controlled by your opinion.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 24, 2021 06:45 PM (JZT2F)

359 Any law that violates the constitution need NOT be obeyed.

Posted by: Tom W at March 24, 2021 06:45 PM (m6Byb)

360 I've heard there are only 5 states that don't allow open carry....anyone know if that's true?
Posted by: BignJames at March 24, 2021 06:43 PM (AwYPR)


#4 will surprise you.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 24, 2021 06:45 PM (t+qrx)

361 Any government that has the power to 'give' you something has the power to take that something away from you. I will grant that ability to no man. That ability is reserved to GOD.

Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2021 06:45 PM (0OP+5)

362 "That word bear doesn't actually mean to carry or have wepaons on you. Its referring to the animal bear, so you're bear-like with your arms"
--9th Circus

"No standing"
--John Roberts
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor


*Future S.Ct. Oral Argument in this case*:

"Counsel, you're not really here for the hunting, are you?" -- Chief Justice John "The Bear" Roberts.

Posted by: Sharkman at March 24, 2021 06:45 PM (5t43r)

363 Young's case looks to me like a provocation. Justifying concealed carry under the "urgent" criteria isn't too difficult. 2d Amendment proponents should pocket their wins, not look for dragons to slay.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at March 24, 2021 06:45 PM (OAtmW)

364 leftists are making it easier and easier to ignore their insane rulings.


Posted by: Unclefacts at March 24, 2021 06:46 PM (ihUzW)

365 But my civil rights are not controlled by your opinion.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 24, 2021 06:45 PM (JZT2F)

Who said it was. I specifically said I wouldn't vote against it.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 24, 2021 06:46 PM (2DOZq)

366 > I doubt even %1 of gun owners pay will obey clowns.

California's "assault rifle ban" is estimated to have resulted in about 1% compliance, i.e., 99% of "assault rifle" owners did NOT comply.

If such a law gets 1% compliance in California, what do you expect the compliance rate to be in Texas? Or Alabama? Or Alaska?


Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 24, 2021 06:47 PM (JZT2F)

367 I have a Ruger SR22 with a threaded barrel. When I purchased in several years ago I also put in the paperwork for a suppressor that fit it.

Very reliable. With subsonic ammo, whisper quiet.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at March 24, 2021 06:47 PM (3H9h1)

368 300 if you are going to have a gun get an ar
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:33 PM (4Jold)


I need to build me one. So hard to find off-roster in CA, and even then they're at least 2x street price and have been handicapped in some way. The fixed magazines are a joke. Gotta love people who have no idea how something works passing laws on it.

I managed to get an off-roster CZ Scorpion Carbine, but the FFL had to fix the stock so it wouldn't fold. Yep, boy as soon as I can fold that stock I'm compelled to run to a church or school and start shooting. Luckily, they left the magazines alone. I just need to figure out if there's a way to get the stock to fold again, nothing like having to buy a larger, more expensive case because some shit-brain in Sacramento has no idea about anything.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 24, 2021 06:47 PM (46GDR)

369 #4 will surprise you.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 24, 2021 06:45 PM (t+qrx)

SC?....they house/senate? failed to pass a bill yesterday?

Posted by: BignJames at March 24, 2021 06:47 PM (AwYPR)

370 > I specifically said I wouldn't vote against it.

It's not subject to a vote.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 24, 2021 06:47 PM (JZT2F)

371 The panel that issued this dumb decision was 6-5 R appointees. So this should have been a win.

Bybee, who wrote the absurd majority opinion, is a g.w. bush appointee. One of Trump's appointees also flipped to the dark side.

Posted by: Stephen at March 24, 2021 06:48 PM (6XA8D)

372 And just a reminder: Jim Brady was shot in the head with a .22

Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2021 06:40 PM (Cxk7w)
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You don't expect such a dark episode for the Brady Bunch.

Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:48 PM (FYe3W)

373 that is a nice gun but if you have a gun it is not the smart gun, the ar is
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:39 PM (4Jold)

In the People's Republic of New Yorkistan, the M1A is among the only (with the Ruger mini14-30 and the Browning BAR) semiauto rifle allowed by law, *nothing that is semiauto with a detachable mag, also with a pistol grip, threaded barrel, or collapseable stock

Posted by: Marcus Gravey at March 24, 2021 06:48 PM (UdUN9)

374 Gradually.

Then all at once.

Posted by: blaster at March 24, 2021 06:48 PM (ZfRYq)

375 You don't expect such a dark episode for the Brady Bunch.
Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:48 PM (FYe3W)


Alice finally snapped?

Posted by: Mapes, Shadout Mapes at March 24, 2021 06:48 PM (PiwSw)

376 SC?....they house/senate? failed to pass a bill yesterday?
Posted by: BignJames at March 24, 2021 06:47 PM (AwYPR)


It was a joke. Sorry.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 24, 2021 06:48 PM (t+qrx)

377 managed to get an off-roster CZ Scorpion Carbine, but the FFL had to fix the stock so it wouldn't fold. Yep, boy as soon as I can fold that stock I'm compelled to run to a church or school and start shooting. Luckily, they left the magazines alone. I just need to figure out if there's a way to get the stock to fold again, nothing like having to buy a larger, more expensive case because some shit-brain in Sacramento has no idea about anything.
Posted by: clutch


those are nice guns, the czs

Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:48 PM (4Jold)

378 350 And you can only have an Abortion in your own home!

At my required "extremism training" yesterday, my boss's boss said that all instances of extremism that he had experienced were due to religion. I just could not let that go. I told the group that I am a conservative practicing Catholic and therefore I oppose abortion on the scientific fact that it murders a human being. Then I asked if, like the peacefully demonstrating folks on Jan 6 who are being arrested because a few asshats broke some windows, should I be considered an extremist because some criminals who claimed to be prolife bombed abortion clinics. Naturally, folks said the peaceful protesters were insurrectionists. I asked, if so, then where were their weapons? None were confiscated. Where was the body count? The only person who died was killed by police. I made the point that, unless you are very specific about what you label extremist, anyone can be considered one depending on who is doing the interpretation, and if I'm not safe from this, neither is anyone else. Crickets.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at March 24, 2021 06:48 PM (okGHj)

379 I specifically said I wouldn't vote against it.

It's not subject to a vote.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 24, 2021 06:47 PM (JZ

Are you being obtuse on purpose? The courts are voting on it.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 24, 2021 06:49 PM (2DOZq)

380 I need another gun...a small .22 pistol. I've got a slew of ammo and nothing to run it through. Yes, I know it wouldn't have a lot of stopping power. But it ought to slow a bad guy down a bit.

Suggestions?
Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 06:14 PM (XxJt1)

Hurm. Small .22?
A Ruger/Taurus/Smith&Wesson lightweight revolver. But those 2" barrels don't give you much penetration, even with 40 grain CCI MiniMags.

If you want a semi-auto, the S&W M&P Compact might be the most reliable with the most ammo types, it's still a bit big, though. Walther makes a smaller .22, it's a bit finicky about ammo though.
Beretta makes good .22 autos as well.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Marcus Brasswang at March 24, 2021 06:49 PM (ifmtJ)

381 My next supreme court appointee is going to rule that tranny stuff is settled, but you have no right to display it in public. Hide it in the closet with guns.

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at March 24, 2021 06:50 PM (ftFVW)

382 Does the 9th circuit have men with guns protecting them? Oh, they do.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 24, 2021 06:50 PM (r+sAi)

383 _ 2025, Trump won't be picking judges from the Federalist or Heritage lists.

Posted by: Braenyard, starving the beast at March 24, 2021 06:50 PM (zl7B8)

384 It was a joke. Sorry.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 24, 2021 06:48 PM (t+qrx)

Oh.....LOL!

Posted by: BignJames at March 24, 2021 06:50 PM (AwYPR)

385 > You used to be able to buy dynamite at the local hardware store.

When I was a kid, my buddy's dad had a case of dynamite right there in the garage, unsecured, where we would work on our bikes or whatever completely unsupervised.

Unlike the gunpowder and gasoline (and later, the whiskey) we were always too scared to mess with his dad's dynamite, but it was there.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 24, 2021 06:50 PM (JZT2F)

386 > (and later, the whiskey)

Oh, and the unfiltered Pall Mall cigarettes.

Yeah, we swiped those from his dad also.

I had an awesome childhood.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 24, 2021 06:51 PM (JZT2F)

387 In the People's Republic of New Yorkistan, the M1A is among the only (with the Ruger mini14-30 and the Browning BAR) semiauto rifle allowed by law, *nothing that is semiauto with a detachable mag, also with a pistol grip, threaded barrel, or collapseable stock
Posted by: M


yeah, I have been there done that, I am not saying it is not a good gun, just that when you cnsider the availability of parts, ease of maintenance and other things the ar is a better choice, if you get a choice.

when I was in ny it was shotguns and that was it for me.

wanted a m1, very much but was not interested in dealing with ny in any way.

Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:51 PM (4Jold)

388 "When I was a kid, my buddy's dad had a case of dynamite right there in
the garage, unsecured, where we would work on our bikes or whatever
completely unsupervised."

For fishing?

Posted by: davidt at March 24, 2021 06:51 PM (Kq1s2)

389 When we were staying at the old timer's place, we learned that he kept dynamite in his upstairs. It was at least 50 years old. We were very glad we didn't live in the house.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 24, 2021 06:52 PM (YynYJ)

390 wanted a m1, very much but was not interested in dealing with ny in any way.
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:51 PM (4Jold)

NY sucks

Posted by: Marcus Gravey at March 24, 2021 06:52 PM (UdUN9)

391 At my required "extremism training" yesterday, my boss's boss said that all instances of extremism that he had experienced were due to religion.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at March 24, 2021 06:48 PM (okGHj)
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I would have suggested he needs to read up on the French and Marxist revolutions.

Pol Pot wasn't extreme? And then should he come back at me with the "secular religion" dodge, I might have tried "So a religion that's not a religion or a non-religion that is?"

Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:52 PM (FYe3W)

392 I am headed to SC tomorrow with some guns to shoot. I have 4 different firearms (well, unless something terrible happens tonight as I canoe them across the pond) and 100rds of ammo each.

States I am travelling are mostly 2A friendly (even Virginia marginally at least as far as existing law goes) but I can just imagine if I were pulled over I would be some sort of domestic terrorist with an arsenal and "hundreds" of rounds of ammo.

Posted by: blaster at March 24, 2021 06:52 PM (ZfRYq)

393 > Are you being obtuse on purpose? The courts are voting on it.

The courts don't get a vote, either.

They can throw me in jail, but that doesn't mean I no longer have my civil rights. It just means they're violating my civil rights.

The idea that civil rights aren't something granted by court permission is anything but "obtuse".


Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 24, 2021 06:53 PM (JZT2F)

394 wanted a m1, very much but was not interested in dealing with ny in any way.
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:51 PM (4Jold)

NY sucks
Posted by: M



yes

Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:53 PM (4Jold)

395 >>>I made the point that, unless you are very specific about what you label extremist, anyone can be considered one depending on who is doing the interpretation, and if I'm not safe from this, neither is anyone else. Crickets.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at March 24, 2021 06:48 PM (okGHj)
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And frogs leapt into their throats.

Posted by: Braenyard, starving the beast at March 24, 2021 06:53 PM (zl7B8)

396 Right now, we carry nice guns. Try to mess with our civil rights, and we might as well dust off the not nice guns.

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at March 24, 2021 06:53 PM (ftFVW)

397 > For fishing?

Stump blasting and such. This was farm country.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if a certain amount of fishing also occurred.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 24, 2021 06:53 PM (JZT2F)

398 At my required "extremism training" yesterday, my boss's boss said that all instances of extremism that he had experienced were due to religion.
Posted by: tcn in AK,

Religion - like marxism, socialism, leftism, blm-ism, antifa-ism, ....

wtf has he experienced? Seriously, has he been attacked by anyone? arrested? tortured? Or has he been offended by people who do not ant to bend to his will.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 24, 2021 06:54 PM (LWu6U)

399 leftists are making it easier and easier to ignore their insane rulings.
Posted by: Unclefacts at March 24, 2021 06:46 PM (ihUzW)

Yup......nullification works every time it's tried.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 24, 2021 06:54 PM (R/m4+)

400 Noem Nood.

Posted by: Flyguy at March 24, 2021 06:55 PM (pLEy5)

401 Whoa, now! We don't want to take away your Constitution. We just want to ignore it.

Posted by: The Left at March 24, 2021 06:55 PM (pbStR)

402 It amazes me how ignorant the courts are on the 2nd amendment, or any of the Bill of Rights. Many founders argued the Bill of Rights was unnecessary since the power to regulate guns was not already in the Constitution and therefore unconstitutional but others believed they should make it abundantly clear the power to regulate guns doesn't exist and to reiterate that Congress has no such power. I just don't get it.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 24, 2021 06:55 PM (oY5h2)

403 When I was a kid, my buddy's dad had a case of dynamite right there in
the garage, unsecured, where we would work on our bikes or whatever
completely unsupervised."

For fishing?

Posted by: davidt

That and to urge the stubborn stump to git out.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2021 06:55 PM (Rvt88)

404 My boss's boss might have more experience in leadership and management, accounting, and scheduling but I'd bet I've read more history than he has.

My boss's boss does not get a pass telling me "how the world works".

Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:56 PM (FYe3W)

405 Beretta makes good .22 autos as well.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Marcus Brasswang at March 24, 2021 06:49 PM (ifmtJ)


I love that little Beretta U22 Neos, Italian as all get-out.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 24, 2021 06:56 PM (46GDR)

406 Just a quick heads up to the horde - all CWP are tracked at the federal level for a variety of reasons.

Same for hunting and fishing licenses.

Any state, city, county, etc can find the info on whether or not you have a gun.

Lots and lots and lots of businesses are interested in whether or not you are armed.

Posted by: MJ at March 24, 2021 06:56 PM (gAMkn)

407 wtf has he experienced? Seriously, has he been attacked by anyone? arrested? tortured? Or has he been offended by people who do not ant to bend to his will.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 24, 2021 06:54 PM (LWu6U)

He probably meant Islam, but was too weenie to say so. It is a mystery to me why anyone would think they were somehow attacked by Christians. When, for example, has the Catholic Church ever forced you to do anything you didn't want to do? When has the Evangelical Lutheran Church ever demanded anything whatsoever from you? How about the Mormons? Did any of them offer to cut of your head for drawing a picture of Joseph Smith?

False equivalence is the hiding hole for cowards.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at March 24, 2021 06:57 PM (okGHj)

408 NOOD Noem

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 24, 2021 06:57 PM (46GDR)

409 My boss's boss does not get a pass telling me "how the world works".
Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:56 PM (FYe3W)

To be fair, this was mandated by the latest asshat in charge of the Army, and he was required to state something from his own experience of extremism. No idea what he was talking about specifically. He probably didn't have an idea, either.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at March 24, 2021 06:58 PM (okGHj)

410 Are there any other amendments that limit the citizens of the US and not the government? Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:11 PM (bm04m)
18th Amendment (Prohibition)Thanks, Progressives!

Posted by: Ersatz at March 24, 2021 06:58 PM (zuVZw)

411 I hope the commie judges on the panel or their young daughters get mugged and raped on the way home to their SF Bay mansions. Or do they have the luxury of armed escorts?

Posted by: Donovan Nuera at March 24, 2021 06:58 PM (iucaD)

412 406 Just a quick heads up to the horde - all CWP are tracked at the federal level for a variety of reasons.

Same for hunting and fishing licenses.

Any state, city, county, etc can find the info on whether or not you have a gun.

Lots and lots and lots of businesses are interested in whether or not you are armed.
Posted by: MJ at March 24, 2021 06:56 PM (gAMkn)

No permit required up here. No bullshit.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at March 24, 2021 06:58 PM (okGHj)

413 When I was a kid, my buddy's dad had a case of dynamite right there in
the garage, unsecured, where we would work on our bikes or whatever
completely unsupervised.


Could he hold out there all night?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Serving all Americans, even the Neanderthals. at March 24, 2021 07:01 PM (SchxB)

414 Handguns, rifles, and shotguns are around, you may not get your first choice or the cheapest but they are around. Used guns, not so much.

Budsgunshop is one place, classic arms is another, midwayusa, brownells, jgsales, cdnnsports, aimsurplus, are all places where you can find a 9mm handgun of some sort, shotguns, and rifles, even AR's.

Ammo though is expensive and made of unobtanium in all but the most standard of cartridges. .22 LR is running 25-30 cents per round if you can find it. Luckygunner has 225 rounds of .22lr for about $120. .22 Mag is around but you have to look for it. Centerfire, 9mm and 45 are around but as expensive as rifle rounds unless you go to steel case. .223, .308, and 7.62x39 are in stock and expect between 60 cents to over 1 buck per round. Others are more expensive and hit and miss.

Posted by: whig at March 24, 2021 07:01 PM (pO7gM)

415 Saw something today to the effect that; if sex change operations change one from male to female, or female to male, then there must be only two sexes. Male and Female. ?

Posted by: Javems at March 24, 2021 07:01 PM (8SSHh)

416 Something that is interesting is that the constitution makes no provision for the Supreme Court or that there is any jurisdiction concerning the "constitutionality" of any law.

All that was made up by the first Supreme Court and everyone's gone along since. They have no power. They have no say. All their rulings etc. are enforced by the various legal departments and police departments both Federal and State.

Was it Jackson who said: "how many divisions do they have"? In re: the Supreme Court ruling against him.

No way to enforce anything. And at the rate they're going that just may happen. It's what the sanctuary gun movements are all about. If the LE of a polity won't enforce illegal rulings/laws then there is no law.

I'd like us to all go back to the strict interpretation of the constitution and the first lawyer who stands up and starts in on penumbras and emanations gets strung up.

Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 07:03 PM (h4cy5)

417 In 1956 my brother built a pipe bomb with dynamite, which was readily available then. No, he wasn't a bad kid...just very, VERY busy. Anyway, he wanted to detonate it but also wanted to make sure no one was hurt when he did. So he settled on the outhouse at the Chicago Northwestern station. He lit the fuse, dropped the pipe down the hole, headed for the north forty and all hell broke loose. It blew that outhouse to smithereens.

Brother's best friend John was his accomplice. When the bomb went off my dad's phone rang. It was John's mother. "Lloyd, is John there?" "No, April, he's not." "Well, is Terry there?" "No, he's not here either."

A long silence and then, "Did you hear that BOOM?"

We had railroad detectives on the doorstep the next day. Brother got shipped off to military school and things were much quieter in town after that.

Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 07:03 PM (XxJt1)

418 Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 07:03 PM (XxJt1)

Great story

Posted by: Marcus Gravey at March 24, 2021 07:06 PM (UdUN9)

419 Massachusetts has similar language. But by the time you have the "urgency or the need" to carry a firearm in public, you won't have time to wait the 8 months or so that it takes to get a license here.

Posted by: Formerly known as Skeptic at March 24, 2021 07:07 PM (FR+I0)

420 This case was apparently just about "open carry", and I see some folks saying, well, the Constitution doesn't say anything about open vs. concealed carry, so maybe they have that power?

I'd argue that you need to think about what kind of guns were available in the 18th century. Very few things well-suited for concealed carry. Open carry was pretty much the only way to bear arms back then, so I say it is protected by the 2nd Amendment. The Founding Fathers were indeed thinking about open carry when they wrote "shall not be infringed".

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at March 24, 2021 07:31 PM (H3MF8)

421 I got a shotgun, a few 22s and ammo so I'm not a risk of losing anything of value except my freedom and based on the complete capitulation by the armed-to-the-teeth "conservatives" to the pandemic hoax lock downs, the mask mandates and practically zero turnout at the election fraud protests, I'm sure removal of gun rights will finally get you gun enthusiasts off your butts. I mean one can overlook the biggest pandemic hoax and election fraud in the history of man... but by Go* infringing on your gun rights is totally OUT OF ORDER!!! Ha. I'm sure a comparative handful were out last Nov, Dec, Jan but the rest if you keyboard warriors deserve the predicament we're in. Dont forget to vote GOPer in the midterms... it's our ONLY HOPE... ahhaha...

Posted by: Iggycaster at March 24, 2021 07:43 PM (7T/ge)

422 Somebody wake me when the shooting starts.

Posted by: Maddhatter at March 24, 2021 07:51 PM (KF3Vh)

423 Couple this with Caniglia v. Strom (see Forbes.com article from yesterday) being heard by the Supremes and you have a perfect storm re: gun rights. It has the potential to allow warrantless search and seizure of legal firearms based on "community caretaking".

Basically, if cops decide that the community needs safeguarding against "insurrectionists" and "domestic terrorists" (you know, conservatives!) they would be allowed to conduct warrantless raid to seize your firearms.

Posted by: Carolina Refugee at March 24, 2021 07:52 PM (FtCMd)

424 OFFS

Posted by: jaggedskye at March 24, 2021 07:58 PM (d/NDV)

425 Compare the 9th Circuit to Gov. Kristi Noem.

9th Circuit: "We can do whatever the fuck we want. The law isn't settled until we get our way. We'll keep sending it up to SCOTUS to see if SCOTUS will do what we want."

Kristi Noem: "hurr durr all the experts I talked to said that we would definitely lose in court, so let's not even try."

We want people who fight, that was the best aspect about Trump. That's why we were pretty much always willing to forgive him for being too loud or too bold. We weren't going to hold it against him that he was willing to fight fight fight for us. 99% of the GOP isn't willing. Other than DeSantis I'm not seeing the party do any real fighting. The best Senators and Representatives we have can put out an on-point tweet from time to time, and get some "zingers" in during Congressional hearings.

Posted by: Daryl Herbert at March 24, 2021 08:01 PM (CVpUt)

426 ". . . or if the lawyers recommended by the Professional Class Karens of the Federalist Society are just from the Corporate Wing of the Uniparty.

I suspect the latter."

I started suspecting, and saying, that over a year ago.
Too many things kept coming from the Federalist Society, "libertarian" things, that were far from conservative, yet nobody seemed willing to identify the Federalist Society as the source.
And now we will see if Roberts suborns enough of Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and Barrett under the pretense of not offending the media or provoking the Democrats to pack the court to enable this rewrite of the 2nd Amendment.

Posted by: Sam at March 24, 2021 08:02 PM (ohyxL)

427 So here we have a collision course between the "elites" trying really hard to ban all the guns, and the public buying guns and ammo so fast it can't be kept in stock, and the military and police leadership throwing in with the "elites" while the rank and file don't agree and just haven't openly defied them yet because the orders haven't been shocking enough. I don't know how this miniseries resolves itself.

Posted by: azjaeger at March 24, 2021 08:10 PM (3/XaG)

428 I would like to see the lawyer before the Supreme Court simply say, "No one gives a sh!t what you rule. You have no say in this."

Then simply walk out.

Posted by: Thatch at March 24, 2021 08:21 PM (qWceQ)

429 What temperatures are safe to keep a loaded handgun in a car's center console?

Not that a particularly want to, or ever expect to use it, but I'm a crotchety old Texas broad, and I'm going to start doing so if the answer to this is satisfactory.

Posted by: empire 1 at March 24, 2021 08:22 PM (JJatH)

430 I just ignore all of these ridiculous rulings.

Carry your gun concealed if need be. I don't need a bunch of liberal fascists telling me what "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed" means.

One day we might discuss this very topic with them over a gun barrel or two.

Posted by: Waitingfor Godot at March 25, 2021 12:27 PM (1jN6+)

431 So here we have a collision course between the "elites" trying really hard to ban all the guns, and the public buying guns and ammo so fast it can't be kept in stock, and the military and police leadership throwing in with the "elites" while the rank and file don't agree and just haven't openly defied them yet because the orders haven't been shocking enough. I don't know how this miniseries resolves itself.

I do.

Posted by: Waitingfor Godot at March 25, 2021 12:28 PM (1jN6+)

432 Did the Judge rule that one couldn't carry a firearm at all?

I can see how some states would restrict open carry, but to have a judge prevent any carry is IMHO flaunting the US Constitution's 2nd Amendment.

But, such unilateral actions by predominantly Liberal Progressive judges would not surprise me.

Just saying

Posted by: The (Deplorable) MUSEman at March 25, 2021 06:33 PM (sxddN)

433 I predict the Supremes will not touch this topic unless and until a Republican is president again -- for the same reason they recently turned down multiple good opportunities to mess with Roe v. Wade.
The reason is that Congress is looking for any excuse to set aside the filibuster rule in order to push through a bill that packs the Court. And a solid conservative ruling about either guns or abortions would give Congress that excuse. Thus if either subject does come before the Court in the next 3+ years, the court will have to go against its conscience and move the status quo leftward. With that in prospect, better not to have taken the case at all.

Posted by: jdgalt at March 25, 2021 09:41 PM (3SFo/)

434 Does this mean the judges security details must be disarmed along with politicians?

Posted by: I am not corey Booker at March 26, 2021 03:22 AM (EcD5Y)

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