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9th Circuit Rules That There Is No Right to Carry a Weapon
Gird your loins. If this is accepted for review by the Supreme Court -- and the Supreme Court has shown itself to be extraordinarily cowardly in ducking ruling on big-ticket items -- we will find out if we really have a "conservative" court, or if the lawyers recommended by the Professional Class Karens of the Federalist Society are just from the Corporate Wing of the Uniparty.
I suspect the latter.Unrelated: Transgender extremist "Rachel" Levine, who supports the genital mutilation of children, and who also sent covid patients back to the nursing home (after evacuating his own mother from one), was confirmed as Deputy Secretary of " " " Health " " ". Susan Collins voted in favor of his confirmation. Just vote harder, guys.
The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a Hawaii gun regulation, ruling Wednesday that states can restrict the right to openly carry a firearm in public. The 7-4 decision said restrictions on carrying guns in public do not fall within the scope of what is protected by the Second Amendment.
... "We have never assumed that individuals have an unfettered right to carry weapons in public spaces," the majority ruled. "Indeed, we can find no general right to carry arms into the public square for self defense." "The en banc court held that the Second Amendment does not guarantee an unfettered, general right to openly carry arms in public for individual self-defense. Accordingly, Hawaii’s firearms-carry scheme is lawful." The case was brought by George Young, who applied for a license twice in 2011 to carry a gun in public either openly or concealed and was denied both times because he didn't prove the "urgency or the need" to openly carry a firearm in public, the decision said. Instead, Young relied on his "general desire to carry a firearm for self-defense." Under Hawaii's law, residents have to show the "urgency or the need" to carry a firearm in public and must be of good moral character and "engaged in the protection of life and property." ...
Judge Diarmuid F. O'Scannlain authored Wednesday’s dissent, calling the ruling "extreme."
"The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution guarantees 'the right of the people to keep and bear Arms'. Today, a majority of our court has decided that the Second Amendment does not mean what it says," the minority dissented. "Instead, the majority holds that while the Second Amendment may guarantee the right to keep a firearm for self-defense within one’s home, it provides no right whatsoever to bear-i.e., to carry -- that same firearm for self-defense in any other place." "This holding is as unprecedented as it is extreme." "We now become the first and only court of appeals to hold that public carry falls entirely outside the scope of the Amendment’s protections," O'Scannlain continued. "In so holding, the majority reduces the right to 'bear Arms' to a mere inkblot."
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 24, 2021 05:47 PM (Bmy3R)
Posted by: Guy Smiley at March 24, 2021 05:47 PM (Bmy3R)
Because the verbiage "The right to keep AND BEAR arms" is somehow ambiguous?!?!
Posted by: NeverBiden at March 24, 2021 05:48 PM (0jZvB)
Thought it was Health and Human Services or some other leftist bullshit post.
Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at March 24, 2021 05:48 PM (3H9h1)
You and I, and normal people see all those as reasons he shouldn't have a senior position in the government.
The left sees it as mission accomplished, *especially* killing all those old people
Posted by: 18-1 at March 24, 2021 05:49 PM (qlFIA)
Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 05:49 PM (bm04m)
Posted by: Walter Freeman at March 24, 2021 05:49 PM (+WWsf)
Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at March 24, 2021 05:49 PM (II3Gr)
Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 05:49 PM (bm04m)
Posted by: vmom super straight stabby stabber stabalot at March 24, 2021 05:49 PM (GBZnB)
when you start out with the margins blown...
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 24, 2021 05:49 PM (kHy01)
Posted by: Venezuelan opposition at March 24, 2021 05:50 PM (49Dnm)
Posted by: MJ at March 24, 2021 05:50 PM (gAMkn)
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at March 24, 2021 05:50 PM (WdCaN)
Good.
In the meantime, I'm going to carry on.
As I said before, don't go quietly, Horde.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Marcus Brasswang at March 24, 2021 05:50 PM (uxJPn)
Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 05:50 PM (XxJt1)
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at March 24, 2021 05:50 PM (dfRN6)
Posted by: ace at March 24, 2021 05:50 PM (5+1A/)
Posted by: That guy who always asks... at March 24, 2021 05:50 PM (W4eKo)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 24, 2021 05:50 PM (lmikk)
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at March 24, 2021 05:50 PM (ZSK0i)
Posted by: Insomniac - Zhou Bai-Den Is Not My Chairman at March 24, 2021 05:50 PM (II3Gr)
Posted by: NeverBiden at March 24, 2021 05:48 PM (0jZvB)
The fount of all Constitutional knowledge known as Joy Reid says that the words "well regulated" and "militia" cancel out any individual right.
We live in clown world. And in interesting times.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado - Tempus belli) at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (N3El/)
Posted by: trev006 at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (0HpOW)
amen, creeper
Posted by: AltonJackson at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (kHy01)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (kTF2Z)
be back in a bit
Posted by: vmom super straight stabby stabber stabalot at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (GBZnB)
Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 05:49 PM (bm04m)
The people have forfeited the confidence of the government and can ONLY win it back through redoubled efforts. (h/t, Brecht)
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (49Dnm)
--9th Circus
"No standing"
--John Roberts
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: banana Dream at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (vHLlg)
Posted by: Puddleglum at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (o3JNK)
Posted by: One-Eyed Cat Peepin' in the Seafood Store at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (Ybhj0)
Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (XxJt1)
For Christ sake we just got here, let us enjoy a few cocktail parties.
Posted by: Barrett & Kavanaugh at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (4thlk)
Posted by: Swamposphere at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (2tNBH)
.........
I feel the need to shoot some pineapples.
Posted by: wth at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Mapes, Shadout Mapes at March 24, 2021 05:52 PM (PiwSw)
Posted by: AZ deplorable isolated at March 24, 2021 05:52 PM (gtatv)
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at March 24, 2021 05:52 PM (4a9Vv)
Posted by: Col Langdon, C.S.A. at March 24, 2021 05:52 PM (VcFUs)
Posted by: banana Dream at March 24, 2021 05:52 PM (vHLlg)
Posted by: trev006 at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (0HpOW)
Jah, that's where I am, too.
We lack anyone with moral standing to order the milita into battle. So they'll try to cull us bit by bit and sit safe and secure in their unburned homes.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Marcus Brasswang at March 24, 2021 05:52 PM (ifmtJ)
Posted by: banana Dream at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (vHLlg)
That was a 3 judge panel, this is the whole court if I understand this correctly.
But yeah, I fully anticipate the Roberts court to either not take this up or find a precedent that overturns Heller and the others.
Posted by: Thrawn at March 24, 2021 05:53 PM (I9kJ1)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 24, 2021 05:53 PM (CjFDo)
Posted by: BifBewalski - at March 24, 2021 05:53 PM (VcFUs)
there you go: they 'assumed", therefor it's the laws, bitches
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at March 24, 2021 05:53 PM (4a9Vv)
They just pretend that the Supreme Court didn't decide all this shit years ago. Okay lefties, if some states can just ignore Heller, then suppose some others just ignore Roe?
Posted by: Rusty Nail at March 24, 2021 05:53 PM (I99aF)
Posted by: Darth Randall at March 24, 2021 05:53 PM (3TihK)
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at March 24, 2021 05:53 PM (y7DUB)
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at March 24, 2021 05:50 PM (ZSK0i)
See Alton Jackson @25.
For some of us it never gets old.
Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 05:53 PM (XxJt1)
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 24, 2021 05:54 PM (49Dnm)
My rights are not handed down from some black-robed dweeb.
They come from God. Take it up with him.
Posted by: Joe Mama at March 24, 2021 05:54 PM (GYqYy)
Constitution: "Right to keep and bear arms"
Judges 19xx: "Yeah! but they had muskets!"
Judges 20xx: "Nope!"
Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 05:54 PM (FYe3W)
.........
I feel the need to shoot some pineapples.
Posted by: wth at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (v0R5T)
Cane spiders.... big as your hand!
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 24, 2021 05:54 PM (oHd/0)
Um, is "fettered" a synonym for "infringed"?
Seems like the opinion should say "We have never actually read the Bill of Rights."
Posted by: Half Dozen at March 24, 2021 05:54 PM (Cem4/)
Posted by: Thrawn at March 24, 2021 05:53 PM (I9kJ1)
If the cool kids tell Mr. Roberts not to take it up, he won't.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 24, 2021 05:54 PM (49Dnm)
Posted by: wth at March 24, 2021 05:54 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Marcus Brasswang at March 24, 2021 05:52 PM (ifmtJ)
Alternatively, shooting the right person would cause a crackdown that would cause the militia to mobilize itself.
I mean theoretically, according to a study of history.
Posted by: trev006 at March 24, 2021 05:55 PM (0HpOW)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Marcus Brasswang at March 24, 2021 05:55 PM (ifmtJ)
Posted by: wth at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (v0R5T)
Cane spiders.... big as your hand!
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 24, 2021 05:54 PM (oHd/0)
Jack Lord's hair.
Posted by: Mapes, Shadout Mapes at March 24, 2021 05:55 PM (PiwSw)
Posted by: banana Dream at March 24, 2021 05:55 PM (vHLlg)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2021 05:55 PM (GPwVZ)
Posted by: Captain Hate Won't Forget Ashli Babbitt at March 24, 2021 05:53 PM (y7DUB)
She's got 6 years left, but at least Trump can campaign against the Alaskan Coke-bear for 2022. Assuming there is a 2022...
Posted by: Thrawn at March 24, 2021 05:55 PM (I9kJ1)
The Second Amendment ruling is ludicrous. SHALL. NOT. BE. INFRINGED. If the SCOTUS goes along with this, a civil war will not be far behind.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp - Biden Is Not My President at March 24, 2021 05:55 PM (qoNQ/)
Lots of gubs but few reloading supplies.
I may or may not have been bearing arms, but I was wearing a short sleeve shirt.
Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2021 05:55 PM (qIJUH)
Posted by: x4 at March 24, 2021 05:56 PM (oA+QO)
Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 05:56 PM (FYe3W)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 24, 2021 05:56 PM (L76Ru)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 24, 2021 05:56 PM (2DOZq)
Technically they're not banning carrying a firearm. Only carrying it openly. They may get away with this one.
Frankly I've never been a fan of open carry for a number of reasons. That said I don't have any issue with those that do and can see their arguments as being valid.
The courts view that phrase keep and bear arms much differently that the layman does. Bearing arms covers a wide range of behavior thus it is was left up to the court to interpret which meaning is correct.
Just as taxing bullets to ridiculous numbers will probably be ruled as not infringing on the 2A even tho the EFFECT will also within the scope of interpretation.
I believe not many will register their firearms if it comes to a national registry. There are a couple states with registration laws that owners have not complied with.
Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 05:56 PM (h4cy5)
My rights are not handed down from some black-robed dweeb.
They come from God. Take it up with him.
Posted by: Joe Mama at March 24, 2021 05:54 PM (GYqYy)
that ship sailed when they made the POWER to Vote, into a RIGHT to vote.
Voting is inherent to the political system you are part of, it is not God nor Nature given. Thus, this Right was given to you by the Government... not acknowledged by said government.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 24, 2021 05:56 PM (oHd/0)
I've heard Hawaii has a real problem with people showing up on the island with zero resources. They think they'll sleep on the beach and pick fruit and live the island paradise life.
Honestly, with all of the tax funded "programs" available to people who choose not to work, I wonder if those people might have the right idea.
Posted by: bonhomme at March 24, 2021 05:56 PM (UW2ZS)
Anyone use :
Cum Dumpster Fire
Because, if they didn't I will be putting that under Trademark Protections.
Posted by: garrett at March 24, 2021 05:56 PM (PZTJi)
Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at March 24, 2021 05:57 PM (3H9h1)
For some of us it never gets old.
Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 05:53 PM (XxJt1)
2 to 1. I stand corrected.
Snerk.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at March 24, 2021 05:57 PM (ZSK0i)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 24, 2021 05:57 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: pahound at March 24, 2021 05:57 PM (KIWeW)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp - Biden Is Not My President at March 24, 2021 05:55 PM (qoNQ/)
Do you have any evidence o back this up?
Posted by: Somewhere east of I-25 at March 24, 2021 05:57 PM (uxUoN)
Who is this "we", boy?
Posted by: Josey Wales at March 24, 2021 05:58 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry
They want government control. Remove states rights on guns, and everything in run through D.C.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp - Biden Is Not My President at March 24, 2021 05:58 PM (qoNQ/)
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at March 24, 2021 05:58 PM (4a9Vv)
It's gonna be Lit.
Posted by: garrett at March 24, 2021 05:58 PM (PZTJi)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Marcus Brasswang at March 24, 2021 05:55 PM (ifmtJ)
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When you don't have libs, it's easier, to have power wrapped within the law, though.
When you have petulant children, there is no law. The ultra-moderate Merrick Garland is proving that right now.
Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 05:58 PM (FYe3W)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp - Biden Is Not My President at March 24, 2021 05:55 PM (qoNQ/)
I think our overlords have hedged their bets. They want it.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 24, 2021 05:58 PM (3u/Hk)
Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 05:58 PM (h4cy5)
Posted by: bonhomme at March 24, 2021 05:58 PM (UW2ZS)
Posted by: banana Dream.....Hawaii didn't go to the appeals court, the defendant did.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 24, 2021 05:59 PM (CjFDo)
--9th circus court
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 24, 2021 05:59 PM (KZzsI)
Save us Joe Manchin!
Posted by: Zeera Hunkering down here, Boss at March 24, 2021 05:59 PM (+iaDh)
Posted by: Ben Had at March 24, 2021 05:59 PM (C19Ao)
No one is coming to save us, unless God chooses to.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Marcus Brasswang at March 24, 2021 05:59 PM (ifmtJ)
Posted by: John Roberts' Majority Opinion at March 24, 2021 05:59 PM (FYe3W)
Well, there's nothing absolutely fucking batshit crazy about that at all.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at March 24, 2021 06:00 PM (sWM8x)
I hate to break it to the courts but they've already rendered themselves irrelevant so they can decide whatever they want on guns. That ship has sailed.
Posted by: Azathoth at March 24, 2021 06:00 PM (WwYtF)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2021 06:00 PM (GPwVZ)
They want government control. Remove states rights on guns, and everything in run through D.C.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp.
Yes, I know that's what they want.. but this says nothing about taking away a state's right to allow carry.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 24, 2021 06:00 PM (CjFDo)
Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:01 PM (FYe3W)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory
Push people hard enough and long enough, they're going to react. Door to door gun confiscation will not end well.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp - Biden Is Not My President at March 24, 2021 06:01 PM (qoNQ/)
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2021 06:01 PM (Cxk7w)
"At the 2020 Daytona 500, Deegan expressed interest in meeting President Donald Trump, tweeting the morning of the race, "Today's goal. Get my helmet signed by Trump."
Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:01 PM (bm04m)
Posted by: Archer at March 24, 2021 06:01 PM (gmo/4)
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at March 24, 2021 06:01 PM (sWM8x)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 24, 2021 06:01 PM (dECZ9)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 24, 2021 06:02 PM (lmikk)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry
I think that's their end game though.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp - Biden Is Not My President at March 24, 2021 06:02 PM (qoNQ/)
Posted by: John Roberts at March 24, 2021 06:02 PM (qlFIA)
++++
True, as far as it goes. The purpose of the 2nd amendment is the defense of the Republic, not merely one's self. But, the method the founders chose to implement this goal was with the unrestricted right to keep and bear arms.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 24, 2021 06:02 PM (hVqGz)
This is completely anathema to any random person who has taken civics in the US.
I find a great deal of gallows humor in these two diametrically opposite views.
Posted by: bonhomme at March 24, 2021 06:02 PM (UW2ZS)
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2021 06:01 PM (Cxk7w)
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Yeah, it's the Incorporation-Except-on-Alternate-Tuesdays doctrine.
Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:02 PM (FYe3W)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 24, 2021 06:03 PM (W4eKo)
"59 it's what they do.
it's who they are.
liars.
their master, the father of lies, is pleased !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 24, 2021 04:48 PM (L76Ru) "
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 24, 2021 06:03 PM (L76Ru)
Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Roger Taney made a similar argument.
That is, in Dred Scott v. Sandford.
"It would give to persons of the negro race . . . the right to enter every other State whenever they pleased, . . . and it would give them the full liberty of speech . . . ; to hold public meetings upon political affairs, and to keep and carry arms wherever they went."
The Democrat court held the freed negro without the rights of the citizen, and therefore without the rights to bear arms in public.
This Democrat court has simply chosen to extend that to all.
Posted by: fringe at March 24, 2021 06:03 PM (FPur3)
It was called Schindler's List.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 24, 2021 06:03 PM (KZzsI)
Yup.
Health.
And mental well being.
Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at March 24, 2021 05:57 PM (3H9h1)
And promoting normalcy.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 24, 2021 06:03 PM (dECZ9)
Well for the record Barack Obama put his mark on a lot of guy's helmets at Man's Country Bathhouse.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 24, 2021 06:03 PM (qlFIA)
Posted by: bonhomme
I'd rather have the original, than a forgery.
Posted by: Joe Mama at March 24, 2021 06:04 PM (GYqYy)
Posted by: N
in fairness, half the guys here do not have a gun anyway so it does not matter
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:04 PM (4Jold)
CONFIRMED: Democrat Operative Was Given Secret Internet Connection to Network Where Ballots Were Counted
Emails show that Michael Spitzer-Rubenstein, Wisconsin state lead for the National Vote at Home Institute, was given secret internet access at the hotel convention center where ballots were counted in Green Bay.
Gateway Pundit
Posted by: Corner Stone at March 24, 2021 06:05 PM (LO5Qy)
This is a question we posed to Britain's Parliament and King
And their answer was the equivalent of what the 9th just handed down.
And so since the gov't is determined to make law abiding citizens criminals by legal decree then those citizens should begin to act as criminals do. Which is ignore all laws that are inconvenient or unknown and do what they will to preserve their life and their family and community.
Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 06:05 PM (h4cy5)
Posted by: pahound at March 24, 2021 06:05 PM (KIWeW)
**
Can you imagine being a hardcore leftist celebrating a woman being able to do anything a man can do and citing this superstar 3rd place best finisher hero as the top example of your argument before seeing that?
Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:05 PM (bm04m)
Um, is "fettered" a synonym for "infringed"?
Seems like the opinion should say "We have never actually read the Bill of Rights."
Posted by: Half Dozen at March 24, 2021 05:54 PM (Cem4/) "
synonym for "put in chains", which seems oddly appropriate ...
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 24, 2021 06:05 PM (L76Ru)
To the extent that the Constitution can decide things at the Federal level that limits the states "shall not be infringed" comes the closest to anything to a federal mandate.
This is a whole lot closer than reading schools as "Congress".
Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:05 PM (FYe3W)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry
They disallowed but never had the right because it's unconstitutional. The gun control advocates won't go through the proper process and call for the repeal of the 2nd Amendment. They would rather the courts continue to ignore the plain language of the constitution and make up illogical rulings to get what they want.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 24, 2021 06:05 PM (2DOZq)
For the same basic reasons too: we can't trust them with that kind of power, look at how stupid and violent they are.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 24, 2021 06:05 PM (KZzsI)
Hmmm... That also means free speech may not apply to "in public", religion: ditto
We're playing "The Constitution, Home Edition" here.
Posted by: t-bird at March 24, 2021 06:06 PM (vOGqy)
Which word didn't you understand?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 24, 2021 05:51 PM (kTF2Z
The 2A ratification to the constitution is one fucking sentence.
Almost like they knew in the future we'd be up against a bunch of brain dead lying commie scum who'd manage to twist the meaning. Yet, they manage to not be able to understand one freaking word.
Molon Labe, fucktards.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 24, 2021 06:06 PM (46GDR)
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:06 PM (4Jold)
Find another word for regulated. Some retards in the future are having trouble understanding that.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 24, 2021 06:06 PM (kTF2Z)
Boy, talk about your "Peter" Principle!!
Heh!
Posted by: Muldoon at March 24, 2021 06:06 PM (m45I2)
It was called Schindler's List.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
In America, the inner city thugs would also have guns. The rest of us? Not so much.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp - Biden Is Not My President at March 24, 2021 06:06 PM (qoNQ/)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp ..
Of course it is! But this ruling doesn't get them there, nor does it give a very good test of how SCOTUS would rule on a true ruling on possession or confiscation.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 24, 2021 06:06 PM (CjFDo)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Marcus Brasswang
I read in a book somewhere, that he is/does. Eventually.
After a LOT of bad stuff happens.
Posted by: Joe Mama at March 24, 2021 06:06 PM (GYqYy)
Used to have a rifle here. We had to choose between it and food at one point.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 24, 2021 06:06 PM (KZzsI)
CONFIRMED: Democrat Operative Was Given Secret Internet Connection to Network Where Ballots Were Counted
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but BiNO said that was impossible!
Posted by: vmom super straight stabby stabber stabalot at March 24, 2021 06:06 PM (GBZnB)
What is your evidence of that?
Ouija board? Eight ball? Tarot cards?
Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 06:06 PM (h4cy5)
He replied, "What press conference?"
*note to self: buy more popcorn*
Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six! at March 24, 2021 06:07 PM (ptqGC)
It was called Schindler's List.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 24, 2021 06:03 PM (KZzsI)
I love that movie! Well, the first half of it anyway.
Posted by: Ilhan Omar at March 24, 2021 06:07 PM (fhxSN)
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:07 PM (4Jold)
See also: assembly, fair trials, due process, voting, not being compelled to house soldiers, etc.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 24, 2021 06:07 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: artisanal ette at March 24, 2021 06:08 PM (/TfbG)
They expressly ignore Scalia's proof found in multiple state constitutions where one is referenced "bearing arms" against a home invader or in general defense of themselves and their loved ones.
See the asshole Prof Dennis Baron as an example of this argument:
https://wapo.st/3lOzRDJ
Posted by: bonhomme at March 24, 2021 06:08 PM (UW2ZS)
Posted by: Ben Had at March 24, 2021 06:09 PM (C19Ao)
To the extent that the Constitution can decide things at the Federal level that limits the states "shall not be infringed" comes the closest to anything to a federal mandate.
This is a whole lot closer than reading schools as "Congress".
Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:05 PM (FYe3W)
The 14th Amendment is what extended the Bill of Rights to apply to states.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at March 24, 2021 06:09 PM (Zm+LZ)
Yeah. And why did they put that phrase about regulated militias in and muddy the waters.
I know because the southern delegates were afraid that blacks would get guns and carry them. And they were right!
All gun control stems from RACISM!
How about some brave Senator make that claim in the hearings or on the floor of the Senate?
Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 06:09 PM (h4cy5)
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2021 06:09 PM (Cxk7w)
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at March 24, 2021 06:09 PM (sWM8x)
Find another word for regulated. Some retards in the future are having trouble understanding that.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 24, 2021 06:06 PM (kTF2Z)
All of a sudden the constitution reads:
Look, screwheads. People can own and personally carry anywhere they want, any type of firearm. For what purpose? Not our fucking business. We do not know what kind of weapons you have in the future, but we despair because you seem kinda stupid.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 24, 2021 06:09 PM (lmikk)
After a LOT of bad stuff happens.
Posted by: Joe Mama at March 24, 2021 06:06 PM (GYqYy)
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You just have to go through the stage where "No flesh would be left alive", that's all.
Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:09 PM (FYe3W)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 24, 2021 05:53 PM (CjFDo)
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Incorrect, Sir. They had that power (not right) from the founding up through the passage of the 14th amendment. The 14th extended the restrictions of the 2nd on the federal government onto the states.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 24, 2021 06:10 PM (hVqGz)
I'm sorry you were in that circumstance. I hope things are better for you now.
Posted by: bonhomme at March 24, 2021 06:10 PM (UW2ZS)
Posted by: Drew in MO at March 24, 2021 06:10 PM (cGlgB)
Posted by: junior at March 24, 2021 06:10 PM (YaUsQ)
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2021 06:09 PM (Cxk7w)
I thought it was a different dem critter?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 24, 2021 06:10 PM (lmikk)
To make the edges of an object more attractive by embellishing with something pleasing to the eye or beautiful.
In use:
"I infringed the windows on my Impala with dingle balls in 49er red and gold."
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 24, 2021 06:10 PM (46GDR)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 24, 2021 06:11 PM (3u/Hk)
Posted by: Ben Had at March 24, 2021 06:09 PM (C19Ao)
We're doing well, and I hope you are.
Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six! at March 24, 2021 06:11 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Anderson Cooper at March 24, 2021 06:11 PM (BDQo0)
Posted by: Ben Had at March 24, 2021 06:11 PM (C19Ao)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 24, 2021 06:11 PM (3u/Hk)
Are there any other amendments that limit the citizens of the US and not the government?
Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:11 PM (bm04m)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 24, 2021 06:11 PM (3u/Hk)
Or they realized voting does not matter any more.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 24, 2021 06:12 PM (lmikk)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 24, 2021 06:11 PM (3u/Hk)
Time is running short, for all of us.
Posted by: Thrawn at March 24, 2021 06:12 PM (I9kJ1)
.........
been a lot of canoe accidents.
Posted by: Josey Wales at March 24, 2021 06:12 PM (v0R5T)
I've never bought that argument. I've yet to see evidence the Founders considered the Bill of Rights to only apply to the Federal gov't.
Posted by: bonhomme at March 24, 2021 06:12 PM (UW2ZS)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2021 06:00 PM (GPwVZ)
No. If you go to Ace's link, 3rd paragraph down: "The government may regulate, and even prohibit, in public places - including government buildings, churches, schools, and markets - the open carrying of small arms capable of being concealed, whether they are carried concealed or openly,"
Posted by: Jordan61 at March 24, 2021 06:12 PM (Ez6QX)
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Civil War 2: Inkblot Boogaloo
Posted by: ShainS at March 24, 2021 06:13 PM (c3dw6)
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Dude. They ALL look that way.
It's why any photos or TV shots are very, very filtered. The human eye can't be fooled easily.
Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:13 PM (bm04m)
All of a sudden the constitution reads:
Look, screwheads. People can own and personally carry anywhere they want, any type of firearm. For what purpose? Not our fucking business. We do not know what kind of weapons you have in the future, but we despair because you seem kinda stupid.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 24, 2021 06:09 PM (lmikk) "
LOL !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 24, 2021 06:13 PM (L76Ru)
Posted by: junior at March 24, 2021 06:10 PM (YaUsQ)
Open carry is straight up illegal in CA. If it wasn't, I'd look like a fucking cowboy every time I set foot outdoors. So I can't get too twisted up about this one. BLue states are going to do what they're going to do.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 24, 2021 06:13 PM (46GDR)
Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:05 PM (FYe3W)
The 14th Amendment is what extended the Bill of Rights to apply to states.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at March 24, 2021 06:09 PM (Zm+LZ)
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Not entirely. It says that Congress is given the ability to redress rights an individual statement denies. It said nothing about auto-Judges.
But even applied to the states, it doesn't touch anything I wrote. "shall not be infringed" is much more broad a prohibition, and "School board" as "Congress" is still a strained reading.
Also, the reading of the 14th amendment flipped the *purpose* of the federal government making no religious decisions on its head. As the ACLU willingly demonstrated throughout the 20th century.
Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:14 PM (FYe3W)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2021 06:00 PM (GPwVZ)
No. If you go to Ace's link, 3rd paragraph down: "The government may regulate, and even prohibit, in public places - including government buildings, churches, schools, and markets - the open carrying of small arms capable of being concealed, whether they are carried concealed or openly,"
Posted by: Jordan61 at March 24, 2021 06:12 PM (Ez6QX)
Hey I am no lawyer and I do not agree with the ruling. All I am saying is that in today's world, right or wrong, they may get away with it
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2021 06:14 PM (GPwVZ)
Suggestions?
Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 06:14 PM (XxJt1)
Remember the US where folks could disagree with other people?
Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:15 PM (bm04m)
Others on the panel are the Beast, her hell spawn, Chelsea, and Tank Abrams.
Dear SMOD.....
Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six! at March 24, 2021 06:15 PM (ptqGC)
I've never bought that argument. I've yet to see evidence the Founders considered the Bill of Rights to only apply to the Federal gov't.
Posted by: bonhomme at March 24, 2021 06:12 PM (UW2ZS)
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It's in the words they chose: "Congress shall make no law... :
When the founders wanted to talk about states and their legislatures, they used those words.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 24, 2021 06:15 PM (hVqGz)
Posted by: pahound at March 24, 2021 06:15 PM (KIWeW)
If you're in a blue city in a red state, move to the country.
We should concentrate our numbers and then secede.
Complaining and campaigning isn't going to fix this.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at March 24, 2021 06:15 PM (IEhxE)
JUST IN: Police investigating suspicious package at Atlanta grocery store where man was detained while carrying 5 firearms
Posted by: Tami at March 24, 2021 06:15 PM (cF8AT)
And of course, they will not stop there.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 24, 2021 06:16 PM (W4eKo)
Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:15 PM (bm04m)
Seems like forever ago.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 24, 2021 06:16 PM (lmikk)
Posted by: artisanal ette at March 24, 2021 06:08 PM (/TfbG)
.........
This. I keep telling my 89 year old Mom the federal government has become our worst enemy. We grew up in the best of times, but they are over.
Posted by: wth at March 24, 2021 06:16 PM (v0R5T)
Nothing I've read in the Federalist or Anti-Federalist assumed that the rights outlined in the Bill of Rights were only for the federal government to heed. Rather the opposite: they saw these rights as being God-given, inalienable, and inherent to humanity.
That is: everyone has them.
The flaw with the system is that the founders thought that []only the federal government would be so corruptible as to require a constitution to bind it. That they thought local and state government were so close to the citizens that they'd never be able to or likely to attempt to infringe on rights, because the people would fight for them.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 24, 2021 06:16 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:16 PM (4Jold)
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I have a nice .22 pistol, but I've been wanting a Ruger Wrangler. That would be one fun gun.
https://ruger.com/products/wrangler/models.html
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at March 24, 2021 06:16 PM (sWM8x)
Suggestions?
Posted by: creeper
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S&W 22A. Not particularly well loved so used examples should be cheap. Very much not a carry-sized gun, though. I'd get a little tip-up barrel job for that. Bobcat IIRC.
Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:16 PM (bm04m)
JUST IN: Police investigating suspicious package at Atlanta grocery store where man was detained while carrying 5 firearms
Posted by: Tami at March 24, 2021 06:15 PM (cF8AT)
Wednesday in the People's Republic of Fulton County.
Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six! at March 24, 2021 06:16 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Sharkman at March 24, 2021 06:17 PM (5t43r)
The greatest argument for "keep and bear" is the violence unleashed by they Left, and their policies, and we need to ram that fact down their throats.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 24, 2021 06:17 PM (LWu6U)
And of course, they will not stop there.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 24, 2021 06:16 PM (W4eKo)
I am sure they will not. Just like they did not stop with gays in the Military. Now they want to lop off dicks in the Military on the gov's dime
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2021 06:17 PM (GPwVZ)
Time is running short, for all of us.
Posted by: Thrawn
...let him who hath understanding reckon the number of the beast, for it is a human number...
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 24, 2021 06:17 PM (n+4am)
When the founders wanted to talk about states and their legislatures, they used those words.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 24, 2021 06:15 PM (hVqGz)
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Exactly. It's only the ACLU and know-it-all judges that have ignored that "Congress" is specific language. And doesn't necessarily entail "everybody's plan for government".
Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:17 PM (FYe3W)
And people wonder why I've had my U.S. flag hanging upside-down since the election was "certified"...
Posted by: Daniel J Kunkle at March 24, 2021 06:17 PM (bkqDH)
Posted by: creeper
It took down Bobby Kennedy so there's that.
Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2021 06:17 PM (Rvt88)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2021 06:14 PM (GPwVZ)
Oh I meant no, it's not just open carry. It says "small arms capable of being concealed, whether they are carrying concealed or open carry."
Posted by: Jordan61 at March 24, 2021 06:17 PM (Ez6QX)
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The Atlanta that hasn't had a Republican mayor in 150 years?
Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:17 PM (bm04m)
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 24, 2021 06:13 PM (46GDR)
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Last I checked, you can open carry in CA, but the weapon has to be unloaded.
Really, it's true.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 24, 2021 06:17 PM (hVqGz)
Pro gun subs on Reddit may think this is Fudd-lore, but I've always thought a criminal who spotted me open carrying might choose to amble by and shoot me in the back of the head before I even knew I was in danger. I'd much rather look like a sheep and potentially catch a criminal off-guard.
Criminals get to set the time and place and I'm no gunslinger.
Posted by: bonhomme at March 24, 2021 06:17 PM (UW2ZS)
Posted by: vmom super straight stabby stabber stabalot at March 24, 2021 06:18 PM (GBZnB)
Posted by: ... at March 24, 2021 06:18 PM (uEbPt)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 24, 2021 06:18 PM (2DOZq)
or maybe Spatter
Posted by: vmom super straight stabby stabber stabalot at March 24, 2021 06:18 PM (GBZnB)
Not a SINGLE thing, he sez.
That might be true in sleepy's case, I guess.
Posted by: lizabth at March 24, 2021 06:18 PM (L3Rsz)
Posted by: Tami at March 24, 2021 06:15 PM (cF8AT)
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White supremacy.
Posted by: Democrat Psychic Hotline at March 24, 2021 06:18 PM (FYe3W)
It's not going to be a shooting war... it's going to be a legal war. At least at first.
Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at March 24, 2021 06:19 PM (3H9h1)
Posted by: HI Bored of Tourism at March 24, 2021 06:19 PM (GYqYy)
Posted by: Tami
A bag of salad where it isn't already pre-wilted would be pretty suspicious.
Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2021 06:19 PM (Rvt88)
If you're in a blue city in a red state, move to the country.
We should concentrate our numbers and then secede.
Complaining and campaigning isn't going to fix this.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at March 24, 2021 06:15 PM (IEhxE)
I am starting to be the new Willow it seems. But no one can replace Willow. Aside from that I agree with you wholeheartedly. Many will say it is not that easy, but it never is. The answer if you want to drop a weight is to move to a deep red area. I wish there was an easier option. I promise you, if I knew one, I would spell it out.
Posted by: Quint at March 24, 2021 06:19 PM (mP2It)
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Or an alphabet member freakazoid.
Posted by: Lady in Black at March 24, 2021 06:19 PM (O+I8R)
Gun laws in the US are so hodge-podge and stupid. For a while, here in the WA, you could own and mount a suppressor to your gun, but if you fired a gun with a suppressor mounted, you'd committed a crime.
Posted by: bonhomme at March 24, 2021 06:19 PM (UW2ZS)
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at March 24, 2021 06:19 PM (lgiXo)
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Assuming you have enough you might be able to trade outright, honestly. I think bricks of 500 rounds are going for $120+ right now.
Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:19 PM (bm04m)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 24, 2021 06:19 PM (3u/Hk)
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:20 PM (4Jold)
Posted by: Sharkman at March 24, 2021 06:20 PM (5t43r)
NJ has been in violation of the second for as long as I have been alive - going back to the 60s race riots.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 24, 2021 06:20 PM (LWu6U)
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2021 06:20 PM (Cxk7w)
Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 06:20 PM (XxJt1)
Last I checked, you can open carry in CA, but the weapon has to be unloaded.
Really, it's true.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous
As I understand it, it used to be that way, but they "fixed" that a few years ago.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 24, 2021 06:20 PM (n+4am)
@DailyCaller
Charlottesville Mayor Posts Vulgar Poem About Her City Referencing Rape And A 'Cum Stained Sheet'
https://tinyurl.com/yzp4qzts
Posted by: Tami at March 24, 2021 06:20 PM (cF8AT)
This is a direct quote from the 1st amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Right there that bit about Congress. The other amendments I don't believe have the same phrasing up to the 10th anyway
Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 06:21 PM (h4cy5)
Posted by: Quint at March 24, 2021 06:19 PM (mP2It)
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Sharon will not appreciate your jumping in line.
Posted by: Democrat Psychic Hotline at March 24, 2021 06:21 PM (FYe3W)
Remember the US where folks could disagree with other people?
Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:15 PM (bm04m)
You'd think he'd be happy after being confirmed.
Posted by: Grudge Harbor at March 24, 2021 06:21 PM (uhPTO)
Posted by: Jordan61 at March 24, 2021 06:17 PM (Ez6QX)
Ah ok thanks...I was only repeating what someone wrote above. Thanks for the clarification
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2021 06:21 PM (GPwVZ)
Posted by: ... at March 24, 2021 06:21 PM (uEbPt)
Amazon packages?
Posted by: dantesed at March 24, 2021 06:21 PM (88xKn)
Suggestions?
Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 06:14 PM (XxJt1)
Actually for indoors it's an ok choice. You won't go deaf. There's some absolutely insane/cool target pistols that run .22, but they're kinda pricey. My suggestion if you're looking for a semi would be the Ruger SR22 or the Sig Sauer Mosquito. Both are super-modern do-it-all designs. Sig actually makes a 1911 chambered in .22, if you want to be fancy - but that's probably not the best all-rounder.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 24, 2021 06:21 PM (46GDR)
Posted by: creeper
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I don't have one but know a surveyor who carries one every day everywhere. Neat little wallet-shaped holster that slides right in his back pocket.
Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:22 PM (bm04m)
Posted by: Bete at March 24, 2021 06:22 PM (Ojki1)
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at March 24, 2021 06:19 PM (lgiXo)
Having never tasted (or known about) Jager Cold Brew, would you say it could be used as a Kahlua substitute in a Black Russian?
Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at March 24, 2021 06:22 PM (O6DoG)
9 years this guy has been waiting for his concealed carry permit.
Posted by: Sharkman at March 24, 2021 06:22 PM (5t43r)
When the founders wanted to talk about states and their legislatures, they used those words.
OK, assuming for argument's sake that's correct, that phrase only appears in the First Amendment. Why did the other nine have to be "incorporated?"
Posted by: bonhomme at March 24, 2021 06:22 PM (UW2ZS)
Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at March 24, 2021 06:23 PM (O6DoG)
Posted by: Braenyard, starving the beast at March 24, 2021 06:23 PM (zl7B8)
to make it nearly impossible to own one. Tax everything associated with
them. Require "training", mental health checks, registration with the
Fed, etc.
It's not going to be a shooting war... it's going to be a legal war. At least at first.
Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at March 24, 2021 06:19 PM (3H9h1)
even Clinton could never dream of such a thing. He only banned new imports and new sales of high capacity magazines. How are they going to tax existing weapons? People are going to pay a tax on the weapons they own? You know, in even some formerly free states, there is no registration. And if you live in a deep red area, will not the cops themselves resist?
Posted by: Quint at March 24, 2021 06:23 PM (mP2It)
I apologize for the error.
Posted by: Sharkman at March 24, 2021 06:20 PM (5t43r)
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Last I heard, Heller still can't own a gun in DC.
That's how strictly libs follow judgments that go against them.
Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:23 PM (FYe3W)
was he carrying them with permits?
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:23 PM (4Jold)
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:20 PM (4Jold)
Well what constitutes sex has become awfully ambiguous lately.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at March 24, 2021 06:23 PM (Zm+LZ)
Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:19 PM (bm04m)
Holy cow! I had no idea ammo was that expensive. Along with a new .22 I think an ammo safe is in order.
Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 06:23 PM (XxJt1)
@townhallcom
Does President Biden know he's holding his first solo press conference tomorrow?
Based on how he responded to a reporter's question, we're not so sure.
https://tinyurl.com/ygpl3gfk
Posted by: Tami at March 24, 2021 06:23 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: Aetius451AD
It's okay. He gave himself the courtesy of a reach-around.
Posted by: Sharkman at March 24, 2021 06:23 PM (5t43r)
Every time there is a mass shooting, our side needs to have rallies and protests and a flood of posts about how this was all preventable if open and concealed carry was not restricted in some areas and entire states.
The greatest argument for "keep and bear" is the violence unleashed by the Left, and their policies, and we need to ram that fact down their throats.
I want the dems to cringe everytime there is a mass shooting, knowing that their policies are going to be under assault by logic and reason from our side. Make them downplay mass shooting because they make themselves look bad.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 24, 2021 06:24 PM (LWu6U)
That is: everyone has them.
The flaw with the system is that the founders thought that []only the federal government would be so corruptible as to require a constitution to bind it. That they thought local and state government were so close to the citizens that they'd never be able to or likely to attempt to infringe on rights, because the people would fight for them.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 24, 2021 06:16 PM (KZzsI)
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The thing you need to remember was that the people negotiating all this were politicians representing their states. They were worried about the new federal government clamping down on the states and taking over the prerogatives of the state governments. They very much wanted to retain these powers for themselves, not to tie their own hands. All the restrictions in the federal constitution and all that talk about limited, defined powers was about the new federal government.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 24, 2021 06:24 PM (hVqGz)
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at March 24, 2021 06:24 PM (YynYJ)
Suggestions?
Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 06:14 PM (XxJt1)
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I have a cute little Beretta Bobcat. My everyday carry is a 9mm S&W M&P Shield, but my Bobcat is on my CCW too. However, your everyday run of the mill .22 round will not cycle the gun. I use CCI mini mag and it runs like a dream. I could put 8 rounds into a bad guy's eye in the blink of that unfortunate eye.
Posted by: tommylotto at March 24, 2021 06:24 PM (AD5ZC)
Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 05:56 PM (h4cy5)
New York
Posted by: Marcus Gravey at March 24, 2021 06:24 PM (UdUN9)
I'm from Jersey, and there you could be a business owner handling large sums of cash in high crime districts, and still you will be denied right to carry.
NJ has been in violation of the second for as long as I have been alive - going back to the 60s race riots.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest
You have to make LARGE donations to the Sheriff's re-election fund. That's how it works in most of CA.
Fresno County is a notable exception. It's rather like Texas when it comes to concealed carry, because Sheriff Mims isn't a shit-head. Which reminds me, I need to get started on my license. I feel nekkid without having one, like I did when I was in Texas.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 24, 2021 06:24 PM (n+4am)
Posted by: Tami at March 24, 2021 06:23 PM (cF8AT)
I saw that earlier. I'm going to need more popcorn and alcohol.
Posted by: Jane D'Oh #Impeach Foady Six! at March 24, 2021 06:25 PM (ptqGC)
Which is dumb but then that's what some people are. How do they square that with the definite words "shall not be infringed"?
Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 06:25 PM (h4cy5)
Fasten your seat belts. We're going to see something similar to this daily from now on.
Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 06:25 PM (XxJt1)
Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 06:23 PM (XxJt1)
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Yeah, it's nuts right now. Primer shortages seem to be driving it. If you've got an extra brick I would certainly try to get $100 or so towards the gun purchase. look at
ammoseek.com
to browse prices in order to get some negotiating power.
Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:25 PM (bm04m)
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 24, 2021 06:25 PM (hVqGz)
Every time there is a mass shooting, our side needs to have rallies and protests and a flood of posts about how this was all preventable if open and concealed carry was not restricted in some areas and entire states.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 24, 2021 06:24 PM (LWu6U)
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"No explanation to why conservatives are celebrating mass shootings."
Posted by: Mainstream Media at March 24, 2021 06:25 PM (FYe3W)
Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at March 24, 2021 06:22 PM (O6DoG)
Yes
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at March 24, 2021 06:25 PM (lgiXo)
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 24, 2021 05:54 PM (49Dnm)
It's not only difficult to find guns to buy, it's becoming difficult to buy spare parts for some older weapons. While you're waiting for guns to be in stock, I suggest buying spare parts for what you have, new or old. Especially springs and pins. There are lots and lots of parts sellers are on the Web, including some of the weapon manufacturers themselves.
Posted by: Gref at March 24, 2021 06:25 PM (AMIL/)
God I hate lawyers.
Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 06:26 PM (h4cy5)
Posted by: Ben Had at March 24, 2021 06:26 PM (C19Ao)
All of a sudden the constitution reads:
Look, screwheads. People can own and personally carry anywhere they want, any type of firearm. For what purpose? Not our fucking business. We do not know what kind of weapons you have in the future, but we despair because you seem kinda stupid.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 24, 2021 06:09 PM (lmikk)
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The progs have weaponized stupidity. AND allow it to be open carried world-wide.
Posted by: Just Lily. Thread-Winner Elect at March 24, 2021 06:26 PM (UJKrB)
Also, in many parts of California (and other blue areas), open carrying will result in trigger-happy cops rapidly showing up. Said cops will have absolutely no knowledge of the gun laws (though they likely believe that they do) and whether what you're doing is legal, and the presence of a gun will make them extremely twitchy.
Posted by: junior at March 24, 2021 06:26 PM (YaUsQ)
Which is a fair concern as we've all seen played out over the last 250 years.
But there is not a single person at that convention who would have disagreed with the statement "and all this applies at the state level, too"
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 24, 2021 06:26 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 24, 2021 05:53 PM (CjFDo)
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Incorrect, Sir. They had that power (not right) from the founding up through the passage of the 14th amendment. The 14th extended the restrictions of the 2nd on the federal government onto the states.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 24, 2021 06:10 PM (hVqGz)
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Out: U.S. Constitution for Dummies.
In: U.S. Constitution for Fuckheads.
Posted by: ShainS at March 24, 2021 06:26 PM (c3dw6)
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 24, 2021 05:54 PM (49Dnm)
there are more than enough guns around to be had.
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:26 PM (4Jold)
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous
It helps to cut down the copying of the entire thread and reposting it repeatedly.
Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2021 06:26 PM (Rvt88)
Under Hawaii's law, residents have to show the "urgency or the need" to carry a firearm in public and must be of good moral character and "engaged in the protection of life and property."
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The government or one of its designated agents (Antifa, gang members, vibrant undocumented immigrants) may have an urgent need to shoot you, and if you carry, that interferes with exercise of that right.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at March 24, 2021 06:26 PM (Wje2X)
for $200 or less (usually), the Heritage Rough Rider is considered an excellent single action .22 revolver, probably the best deal for the money. there are many others, including double action models. ditto semi-autos.
I have owned and carried the North American Arms Mini .22 for decades, but while reliable and utterly concealable, its tiny size is also a drawback as far as easy functionality goes. I practice a lot.
I recommend bringing this question to the Gun Thread on Sunday evening where it can get full attention from a Horde of shooters
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 24, 2021 06:26 PM (L76Ru)
Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at March 24, 2021 06:22 PM (O6DoG)
I could see that in a pinch. with Germany and Russia, and maybe some Italian style coffee, it could be called The Axis.
Now some Fernet Branca mixed in and it would definitely be The Axis. It was also blow a hole in your ass.
Posted by: Quint at March 24, 2021 06:27 PM (mP2It)
Posted by: Adriane the Technology Critic ... at March 24, 2021 06:27 PM (LPnfS)
I think there is a other name for this, though.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 24, 2021 06:27 PM (puu6v)
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The most valuable part of open carry is not getting in a heap of trouble for accidentally printing or reaching above your head and briefly exposing your concealed carry weapon.
Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:27 PM (bm04m)
Really, it's true.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous
As I understand it, it used to be that way, but they "fixed" that a few years ago.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 24, 2021 06:20 PM (n+4am)
Counties with fewer than 200k residents (are there ANY?) in CA are allowed to issue open carry permits.
There was just a ruling in August - I'm pretty sure the judge (9th circuit Obongo appointee) blocked it when 2 guys challenged.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 24, 2021 06:27 PM (46GDR)
Same with my Glock 44. You need to use 40 grain high velocity to get optimal operation.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 24, 2021 06:27 PM (2DOZq)
I had no idea "Shall not be infringed" actually meant, "Shall be infringed at the whim power mad politicians."
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 24, 2021 06:27 PM (2SdPm)
**
this.
Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:27 PM (bm04m)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 24, 2021 06:28 PM (n+4am)
I think there is a other name for this, though.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 24, 2021 06:27 PM (puu6v)
Persecution?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is Already Dead at March 24, 2021 06:28 PM (Zm+LZ)
Posted by: Eat The Eloi at March 24, 2021 06:28 PM (RGRIY)
Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:28 PM (bm04m)
Its a CONSTIUTUTIONAL RIGHT to have porn and tranny story hour with Johnny "forgot his undies while sitting spread legged" but not to carry a weapon, somehow.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 24, 2021 06:29 PM (KZzsI)
Started really heavily in California when the Black Panthers were walking around in the "open" with shotguns and rifles.
Calif Legislators took offense and thus began the latest round of restrictions on firearms.
The previous one was mostly about automatic weapons but it was also about blacks defending themselves from the KKK in the depression years.
Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 06:29 PM (h4cy5)
Posted by: GOPe at March 24, 2021 06:29 PM (XvGuI)
Posted by: Future Judges at March 24, 2021 06:29 PM (FYe3W)
Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2021 06:26 PM (Rvt8
++++
Hmmm... I would think that a simple character count restriction would achieve that goal. No comments over 2000 characters (or whatever length).
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 24, 2021 06:30 PM (hVqGz)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 24, 2021 06:26 PM (L76Ru)
Well, duh. Why did it take you to remind me of the Gun Thread? Excellent advice.
I'm thinking that hanging on to ammo isn't a bad idea. It might make good trading stock when the SHTF.
Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 06:30 PM (XxJt1)
Posted by: Future Judges
We need common sense penis control!!
Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2021 06:30 PM (Rvt88)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 24, 2021 06:29 PM (KZzsI)
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Cuomo is skating for killing thousands and being hung out to dry for sexual harassment.
I sort of think one is a tad bit worse than the other, but, then again, I'm a Christian bitterly clinging to my guns and religion, and, therefore, my opinion is automatically suspect.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 24, 2021 06:30 PM (2SdPm)
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 24, 2021 06:27 PM (46GDR)
There are. I lived in one for a while.
Posted by: Jordan61 at March 24, 2021 06:30 PM (Ez6QX)
Posted by: Future Judges at March 24, 2021
Open carry?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at March 24, 2021 06:31 PM (lgiXo)
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2021 06:31 PM (Cxk7w)
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Last time I was in Hawaii, my husband went out for a run- some native guy chased him thru a field . We told the hotel and police and they were like, "Oh, that's just XYZ. He's a little crazy".
That crazy guy is pretty lucky my husband didn't have his gun.
Posted by: LASue at March 24, 2021 06:31 PM (Ed8Zd)
areas), open carrying will result in trigger-happy cops rapidly showing
up. Said cops will have absolutely no knowledge of the gun laws (though
they likely believe that they do) and whether what you're doing is
legal, and the presence of a gun will make them extremely twitchy.
Posted by: junior at March 24, 2021 06:26 PM (YaUsQ)
That was common in VA back in the day. What it would be like now in a blue area is likely not good. But the thing about Virginia, and the thing they have or had even over Texas, is open carry was ALWAYS legal. They didn't have to pass a new law because it was already legal. Sure in The Swamp, you would get some Neanderthal Karen freaked and they would call cops that think they know the law but don't .
Posted by: Quint at March 24, 2021 06:31 PM (mP2It)
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous
Pixey's ways are unknowable.
Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2021 06:31 PM (Rvt88)
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 24, 2021 06:30 PM (hVqGz)
A character limit doesn't mitigate a mess of carriage returns all in a row.
Posted by: ... at March 24, 2021 06:32 PM (uEbPt)
the thing is is it is all or nothing, either you believe in the entire thing or none of it
so if you have the hots for censoring prn then you have the hots for gun bans
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:32 PM (4Jold)
That's how strictly libs follow judgments that go against them.
Posted by: Axeman
Yep. DC has basically said: "Fuck your big Supreme Court win, buddy. We're still processing your permit application."
The original case filing that led to DC v. Heller ruling was filed in 2003, so Heller is still waiting, 18 years later.
"Justice delayed is justice denied."
Posted by: Sharkman at March 24, 2021 06:32 PM (5t43r)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 24, 2021 06:32 PM (L76Ru)
Posted by: Future Judges at March 24, 2021
Open carry?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at March 24, 2021 06:31 PM (lgiXo)
I seem to recall a toy as a kid in the 60s called "The Sixth Finger."
Note to self to call Hasbro... (I can haz bro?)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 24, 2021 06:32 PM (s2VJv)
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 24, 2021 06:27 PM (46GDR)
I grew up in one
Posted by: Marcus Gravey at March 24, 2021 06:32 PM (UdUN9)
In Orange County, CCW permits went to "shall issue" several years ago. But iirc, the sheriff who had decided that (who was an interim choice whose real job was a coroner) didn't run for reelection. I don't know what the current sheriff's stance is.
Posted by: junior at March 24, 2021 06:32 PM (YaUsQ)
Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 06:29 PM (h4cy5)
Good point, maybe we can get BLM to want to start open carrying here in CA to protect themselves from de white debbil. The courts would have no recourse but to allow it. Win/win.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 24, 2021 06:33 PM (46GDR)
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:33 PM (4Jold)
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This is a deeply disturbing observation. And there's much truth to it, by all accounts. Just looking at what happened Nov. 3 brings this home.
Posted by: Lady in Black at March 24, 2021 06:33 PM (O+I8R)
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at March 24, 2021 06:34 PM (YynYJ)
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:34 PM (4Jold)
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at March 24, 2021 06:34 PM (GbPPJ)
in a heap of trouble for accidentally printing or reaching above your
head and briefly exposing your concealed carry weapon.
Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:27 PM (bm04m)
as a long time ccw, I think that concern is very overrated. That is something people worry about who are new. The thing is, you figure out what works for you. You never take it lightly, but there is a point when your sidearm is no different than your keys or wallet when you are out and about.
Posted by: Quint at March 24, 2021 06:34 PM (mP2It)
The original case filing that led to DC v. Heller ruling was filed in 2003, so Heller is still waiting, 18 years later.
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Yup. Unlike the immediate action that was required in NC despite that the sitting clerk conscientiously objected to signing same-sex marriage certificates.
Posted by: Future Judges at March 24, 2021 06:34 PM (FYe3W)
Isn't that what the "Not Fucking Around Coalition" idiots were doing?
Posted by: bonhomme at March 24, 2021 06:35 PM (UW2ZS)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 24, 2021 06:24 PM (n+4am)
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Same here in Kern County. In fact, the deputy I talked to, when starting permit process, flat out told me, "We're looking for a reason to issue you a permit."
Which was nice.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 24, 2021 06:35 PM (2SdPm)
Argue with ace.
Probably some limit of Pixy.
Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 06:35 PM (h4cy5)
.22 autos are too finicky for me to ever use as a carry weapon.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 24, 2021 06:35 PM (2DOZq)
except the hi guys that are being turned into comfort whores and orgn dnrs when they are our of uighurs
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:35 PM (4Jold)
Oh, and fuck the 9th Circuit circus clowns. Fucking cocksuckers!!!
Where's Wu??
Posted by: Al Swearingen at March 24, 2021 06:36 PM (YJ7Ax)
Note to self to call Hasbro... (I can haz bro?)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 24, 2021
Made me laugh.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at March 24, 2021 06:36 PM (lgiXo)
Posted by: Lib Municipality Leaders at March 24, 2021 06:36 PM (FYe3W)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 24, 2021 05:50 PM (lmikk)
Where's little Kammie when she's needed? I'd blame her.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at March 24, 2021 06:37 PM (okGHj)
Posted by: Quint at March 24, 2021 06:23 PM (mP2It)
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They will make it a felony to sell or buy a weapon without paying tax. Therefore the trade and the previous owner and new purchaser will be on their new digitzed list.
In deep Red areas one will sell his weapon to an undercover FIBBER.
We let them pass this crap it's going to be shitty.
Posted by: Braenyard, starving the beast at March 24, 2021 06:37 PM (zl7B8)
Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2021 06:37 PM (qIJUH)
I seem to recall a toy as a kid in the 60s called "The Sixth Finger."
Note to self to call Hasbro... (I can haz bro?)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
May favorite Outer Limits episode
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0667848
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 24, 2021 06:37 PM (63Dwl)
Lawfare people. The Feds decide what's what. Not your state.
And the Fed can decide to make it retroactive.
Compliance is another issue. But noncompliance will be met with force... bet on it.
Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at March 24, 2021 06:37 PM (3H9h1)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 24, 2021 05:59 PM (CjFDo)
Why? He won. In 2018 he won in the 9th circuit. Young v. Hawaii.
Posted by: banana Dream at March 24, 2021 06:37 PM (+gFOr)
Well regulated-Well equipped
Militia-Regular fuckin guys
Shall not be infringed-You're retarded if you don't get this one
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 24, 2021 06:38 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:33 PM (4Jold)
Pretty happy with my M1A
Posted by: Marcus Gravey at March 24, 2021 06:38 PM (UdUN9)
Is there a cocktail called The Flippant? There should be.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at March 24, 2021 06:38 PM (lgiXo)
Doesn't matter if *all* of BLM open carries. BLM or Antifa member gets arrested, and then released by morning. Case never goes to trial. No appeals to push up the layers of courts that might risk overturning gun laws.
Posted by: junior at March 24, 2021 06:38 PM (YaUsQ)
Posted by: runner at March 24, 2021 06:38 PM (zr5Kq)
Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:38 PM (FYe3W)
Posted by: Homo Viator at March 24, 2021 06:38 PM (APSEi)
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:33 PM (4Jold)
Pretty happy with my M1A
Posted by: M
that is a nice gun but if you have a gun it is not the smart gun, the ar is
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:39 PM (4Jold)
except the hi guys that are being turned into comfort whores and orgn dnrs when they are our of uighurs
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:35 PM (4Jold)
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Credible thought.
Never considered it but they are grabbing everything else in the Pacific.
Posted by: Braenyard, starving the beast at March 24, 2021 06:39 PM (zl7B8)
I have all that just not documented in a way that would be accepted by pencil pushers.
Here you pay 25 bucks and get a photo and they do a background check and bob's your uncle if you're cleared.
Good for 5 years. I know Wolf probably seethes about it but there's no way he can touch it cause the Legislature is GOP. Suck it Wolf.
Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 06:39 PM (h4cy5)
Posted by: Mapes, Shadout Mapes at March 24, 2021 06:39 PM (PiwSw)
in a heap of trouble for accidentally printing or reaching above your
head and briefly exposing your concealed carry weapon.
Posted by: Lysenko - Click here for COVID vaccination document, print on card stock at March 24, 2021 06:27 PM (bm04m)
as a long time ccw, I think that concern is very overrated. That is something people worry about who are new. The thing is, you figure out what works for you. You never take it lightly, but there is a point when your sidearm is no different than your keys or wallet when you are out and about.
Posted by: Quint at March 24, 2021 06:34 PM (mP2It) "
Varies state-to-state ... Indiana is very harsh about "printing" or even momentary failure of full concealment (so I have heard); Wisconsin could care less about this.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 24, 2021 06:40 PM (L76Ru)
And remember that's what a 22 can do or not do.
I can't lie, I like big bores
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2021 06:40 PM (Cxk7w)
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:40 PM (4Jold)
Posted by: davidt at March 24, 2021 06:40 PM (Kq1s2)
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at March 24, 2021 06:41 PM (lgiXo)
Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:38 PM (FYe3W)
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Our government won't need to pass any laws infringing on guns. All they have to do is ask financial institutions to stop processing payments and good night Irene.
Financial institutions will line up, because they're infested with a bunch of crusading Karen's who only want what's best for everyone.
Spit.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 24, 2021 06:41 PM (2SdPm)
Twist that one Bishes.
Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 06:41 PM (h4cy5)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 24, 2021 06:41 PM (kTF2Z)
https://twitter.com/TPSTrafficDC/status/
1374665773105475591
Posted by: andycanuck at March 24, 2021 06:41 PM (iDvKn)
Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at March 24, 2021 06:41 PM (FLiOE)
Ron (POTUS Aide): (paraphrasing) Well, thanks, actually, we're all done now. Press, thanks for the rub and tug, you can go.
https://bit.ly/3lPTATv
Posted by: bonhomme at March 24, 2021 06:41 PM (UW2ZS)
Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2021 06:41 PM (Rvt88)
Posted by: Future Judges
We need common sense penis control!!
Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2021 06:30 PM (Rvt8
This should probably have been stated when Mooch was still in the White House.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at March 24, 2021 06:42 PM (okGHj)
How can one open carry and print.
It's not concealed. It's in the open.
Nothing to print on.
Posted by: Braenyard, starving the beast at March 24, 2021 06:42 PM (zl7B8)
Posted by: Future Judges
We need common sense penis control!!
Posted by: T
you should see where I am going to be hiding mine
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:42 PM (4Jold)
A "Col. Klinck" fought at the Battle of the Bulge. For the US.
Commander of the 3rd Battalion of the 422nd Regiment of the 106th Infantry Division.
No word if his Top Sgt. was named "Schulz".
Posted by: Sharkman at March 24, 2021 06:42 PM (5t43r)
Posted by: BignJames at March 24, 2021 06:43 PM (AwYPR)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 24, 2021 06:43 PM (2DOZq)
Who shampoos the blood out...is not our concern.
-----From "Shit The 9th Said".com
Posted by: hutch1200 at March 24, 2021 06:43 PM (B3SkM)
Twist that one Bishes.
Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 06:41 PM (h4cy5)
Could do like the Swiss and REQUIRE you to keep and bear arms.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at March 24, 2021 06:43 PM (okGHj)
Posted by: Dr. Bone at March 24, 2021 06:43 PM (03n3v)
One Leftist goes into the capital and starts a riot he is free clear and making money off it
A conservative goes to rally, never steps in building and is arrested and jailed.
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2021 06:43 PM (Cxk7w)
In Orange County, CCW permits went to "shall issue" several years ago. But iirc, the sheriff who had decided that (who was an interim choice whose real job was a coroner) didn't run for reelection. I don't know what the current sheriff's stance is.
Posted by: junior
About 10 years or so ago, Orange County was thought to be pretty close to shall issue, but it turns out that the Sheriff was essentially selling the licenses for political contributions. He got busted for it and kicked out of office, IIRC.
I haven't kept up with things recently though, so I'm clueless on the current CCW situation there.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 24, 2021 06:44 PM (n+4am)
.22 autos are too finicky for me to ever use as a carry weapon.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 24, 2021 06:35 PM (2DOZq)
Concur.
A .22, shot well, is oddly effective.
As a secondary choice, go with CCI MiniMags if you do have a semi-auto .22 carry pistol. They've been the only 'bet your life' reliable round....and they still occasionally have a dud.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Marcus Brasswang at March 24, 2021 06:44 PM (ifmtJ)
Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at March 24, 2021 06:45 PM (ftFVW)
Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:45 PM (FYe3W)
Well, you're entitled to your opinion.
But my civil rights are not controlled by your opinion.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 24, 2021 06:45 PM (JZT2F)
Posted by: Tom W at March 24, 2021 06:45 PM (m6Byb)
Posted by: BignJames at March 24, 2021 06:43 PM (AwYPR)
#4 will surprise you.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 24, 2021 06:45 PM (t+qrx)
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2021 06:45 PM (0OP+5)
--9th Circus
"No standing"
--John Roberts
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
*Future S.Ct. Oral Argument in this case*:
"Counsel, you're not really here for the hunting, are you?" -- Chief Justice John "The Bear" Roberts.
Posted by: Sharkman at March 24, 2021 06:45 PM (5t43r)
Posted by: occam's brassiere at March 24, 2021 06:45 PM (OAtmW)
Posted by: Unclefacts at March 24, 2021 06:46 PM (ihUzW)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 24, 2021 06:45 PM (JZT2F)
Who said it was. I specifically said I wouldn't vote against it.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 24, 2021 06:46 PM (2DOZq)
California's "assault rifle ban" is estimated to have resulted in about 1% compliance, i.e., 99% of "assault rifle" owners did NOT comply.
If such a law gets 1% compliance in California, what do you expect the compliance rate to be in Texas? Or Alabama? Or Alaska?
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 24, 2021 06:47 PM (JZT2F)
Very reliable. With subsonic ammo, whisper quiet.
Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at March 24, 2021 06:47 PM (3H9h1)
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:33 PM (4Jold)
I need to build me one. So hard to find off-roster in CA, and even then they're at least 2x street price and have been handicapped in some way. The fixed magazines are a joke. Gotta love people who have no idea how something works passing laws on it.
I managed to get an off-roster CZ Scorpion Carbine, but the FFL had to fix the stock so it wouldn't fold. Yep, boy as soon as I can fold that stock I'm compelled to run to a church or school and start shooting. Luckily, they left the magazines alone. I just need to figure out if there's a way to get the stock to fold again, nothing like having to buy a larger, more expensive case because some shit-brain in Sacramento has no idea about anything.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 24, 2021 06:47 PM (46GDR)
Posted by: hogmartin at March 24, 2021 06:45 PM (t+qrx)
SC?....they house/senate? failed to pass a bill yesterday?
Posted by: BignJames at March 24, 2021 06:47 PM (AwYPR)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 24, 2021 06:47 PM (JZT2F)
Bybee, who wrote the absurd majority opinion, is a g.w. bush appointee. One of Trump's appointees also flipped to the dark side.
Posted by: Stephen at March 24, 2021 06:48 PM (6XA8D)
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2021 06:40 PM (Cxk7w)
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You don't expect such a dark episode for the Brady Bunch.
Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:48 PM (FYe3W)
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:39 PM (4Jold)
In the People's Republic of New Yorkistan, the M1A is among the only (with the Ruger mini14-30 and the Browning BAR) semiauto rifle allowed by law, *nothing that is semiauto with a detachable mag, also with a pistol grip, threaded barrel, or collapseable stock
Posted by: Marcus Gravey at March 24, 2021 06:48 PM (UdUN9)
Posted by: blaster at March 24, 2021 06:48 PM (ZfRYq)
Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:48 PM (FYe3W)
Alice finally snapped?
Posted by: Mapes, Shadout Mapes at March 24, 2021 06:48 PM (PiwSw)
Posted by: BignJames at March 24, 2021 06:47 PM (AwYPR)
It was a joke. Sorry.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 24, 2021 06:48 PM (t+qrx)
Posted by: clutch
those are nice guns, the czs
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:48 PM (4Jold)
At my required "extremism training" yesterday, my boss's boss said that all instances of extremism that he had experienced were due to religion. I just could not let that go. I told the group that I am a conservative practicing Catholic and therefore I oppose abortion on the scientific fact that it murders a human being. Then I asked if, like the peacefully demonstrating folks on Jan 6 who are being arrested because a few asshats broke some windows, should I be considered an extremist because some criminals who claimed to be prolife bombed abortion clinics. Naturally, folks said the peaceful protesters were insurrectionists. I asked, if so, then where were their weapons? None were confiscated. Where was the body count? The only person who died was killed by police. I made the point that, unless you are very specific about what you label extremist, anyone can be considered one depending on who is doing the interpretation, and if I'm not safe from this, neither is anyone else. Crickets.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at March 24, 2021 06:48 PM (okGHj)
It's not subject to a vote.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 24, 2021 06:47 PM (JZ
Are you being obtuse on purpose? The courts are voting on it.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 24, 2021 06:49 PM (2DOZq)
Suggestions?
Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 06:14 PM (XxJt1)
Hurm. Small .22?
A Ruger/Taurus/Smith&Wesson lightweight revolver. But those 2" barrels don't give you much penetration, even with 40 grain CCI MiniMags.
If you want a semi-auto, the S&W M&P Compact might be the most reliable with the most ammo types, it's still a bit big, though. Walther makes a smaller .22, it's a bit finicky about ammo though.
Beretta makes good .22 autos as well.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Marcus Brasswang at March 24, 2021 06:49 PM (ifmtJ)
Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at March 24, 2021 06:50 PM (ftFVW)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 24, 2021 06:50 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: Braenyard, starving the beast at March 24, 2021 06:50 PM (zl7B8)
Posted by: BignJames at March 24, 2021 06:50 PM (AwYPR)
When I was a kid, my buddy's dad had a case of dynamite right there in the garage, unsecured, where we would work on our bikes or whatever completely unsupervised.
Unlike the gunpowder and gasoline (and later, the whiskey) we were always too scared to mess with his dad's dynamite, but it was there.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 24, 2021 06:50 PM (JZT2F)
Oh, and the unfiltered Pall Mall cigarettes.
Yeah, we swiped those from his dad also.
I had an awesome childhood.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 24, 2021 06:51 PM (JZT2F)
Posted by: M
yeah, I have been there done that, I am not saying it is not a good gun, just that when you cnsider the availability of parts, ease of maintenance and other things the ar is a better choice, if you get a choice.
when I was in ny it was shotguns and that was it for me.
wanted a m1, very much but was not interested in dealing with ny in any way.
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:51 PM (4Jold)
the garage, unsecured, where we would work on our bikes or whatever
completely unsupervised."
For fishing?
Posted by: davidt at March 24, 2021 06:51 PM (Kq1s2)
Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 24, 2021 06:52 PM (YynYJ)
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:51 PM (4Jold)
NY sucks
Posted by: Marcus Gravey at March 24, 2021 06:52 PM (UdUN9)
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at March 24, 2021 06:48 PM (okGHj)
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I would have suggested he needs to read up on the French and Marxist revolutions.
Pol Pot wasn't extreme? And then should he come back at me with the "secular religion" dodge, I might have tried "So a religion that's not a religion or a non-religion that is?"
Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:52 PM (FYe3W)
States I am travelling are mostly 2A friendly (even Virginia marginally at least as far as existing law goes) but I can just imagine if I were pulled over I would be some sort of domestic terrorist with an arsenal and "hundreds" of rounds of ammo.
Posted by: blaster at March 24, 2021 06:52 PM (ZfRYq)
The courts don't get a vote, either.
They can throw me in jail, but that doesn't mean I no longer have my civil rights. It just means they're violating my civil rights.
The idea that civil rights aren't something granted by court permission is anything but "obtuse".
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 24, 2021 06:53 PM (JZT2F)
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:51 PM (4Jold)
NY sucks
Posted by: M
yes
Posted by: confederatefifth at March 24, 2021 06:53 PM (4Jold)
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at March 24, 2021 06:48 PM (okGHj)
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And frogs leapt into their throats.
Posted by: Braenyard, starving the beast at March 24, 2021 06:53 PM (zl7B8)
Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at March 24, 2021 06:53 PM (ftFVW)
Stump blasting and such. This was farm country.
Although I wouldn't be surprised if a certain amount of fishing also occurred.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 24, 2021 06:53 PM (JZT2F)
Posted by: tcn in AK,
Religion - like marxism, socialism, leftism, blm-ism, antifa-ism, ....
wtf has he experienced? Seriously, has he been attacked by anyone? arrested? tortured? Or has he been offended by people who do not ant to bend to his will.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 24, 2021 06:54 PM (LWu6U)
Posted by: Unclefacts at March 24, 2021 06:46 PM (ihUzW)
Yup......nullification works every time it's tried.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 24, 2021 06:54 PM (R/m4+)
Posted by: Flyguy at March 24, 2021 06:55 PM (pLEy5)
Posted by: The Left at March 24, 2021 06:55 PM (pbStR)
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 24, 2021 06:55 PM (oY5h2)
the garage, unsecured, where we would work on our bikes or whatever
completely unsupervised."
For fishing?
Posted by: davidt
That and to urge the stubborn stump to git out.
Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2021 06:55 PM (Rvt88)
My boss's boss does not get a pass telling me "how the world works".
Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:56 PM (FYe3W)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Marcus Brasswang at March 24, 2021 06:49 PM (ifmtJ)
I love that little Beretta U22 Neos, Italian as all get-out.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 24, 2021 06:56 PM (46GDR)
Same for hunting and fishing licenses.
Any state, city, county, etc can find the info on whether or not you have a gun.
Lots and lots and lots of businesses are interested in whether or not you are armed.
Posted by: MJ at March 24, 2021 06:56 PM (gAMkn)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 24, 2021 06:54 PM (LWu6U)
He probably meant Islam, but was too weenie to say so. It is a mystery to me why anyone would think they were somehow attacked by Christians. When, for example, has the Catholic Church ever forced you to do anything you didn't want to do? When has the Evangelical Lutheran Church ever demanded anything whatsoever from you? How about the Mormons? Did any of them offer to cut of your head for drawing a picture of Joseph Smith?
False equivalence is the hiding hole for cowards.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at March 24, 2021 06:57 PM (okGHj)
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at March 24, 2021 06:57 PM (46GDR)
Posted by: Axeman at March 24, 2021 06:56 PM (FYe3W)
To be fair, this was mandated by the latest asshat in charge of the Army, and he was required to state something from his own experience of extremism. No idea what he was talking about specifically. He probably didn't have an idea, either.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at March 24, 2021 06:58 PM (okGHj)
18th Amendment (Prohibition)Thanks, Progressives!
Posted by: Ersatz at March 24, 2021 06:58 PM (zuVZw)
Posted by: Donovan Nuera at March 24, 2021 06:58 PM (iucaD)
Same for hunting and fishing licenses.
Any state, city, county, etc can find the info on whether or not you have a gun.
Lots and lots and lots of businesses are interested in whether or not you are armed.
Posted by: MJ at March 24, 2021 06:56 PM (gAMkn)
No permit required up here. No bullshit.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at March 24, 2021 06:58 PM (okGHj)
the garage, unsecured, where we would work on our bikes or whatever
completely unsupervised.
Could he hold out there all night?
Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Serving all Americans, even the Neanderthals. at March 24, 2021 07:01 PM (SchxB)
Budsgunshop is one place, classic arms is another, midwayusa, brownells, jgsales, cdnnsports, aimsurplus, are all places where you can find a 9mm handgun of some sort, shotguns, and rifles, even AR's.
Ammo though is expensive and made of unobtanium in all but the most standard of cartridges. .22 LR is running 25-30 cents per round if you can find it. Luckygunner has 225 rounds of .22lr for about $120. .22 Mag is around but you have to look for it. Centerfire, 9mm and 45 are around but as expensive as rifle rounds unless you go to steel case. .223, .308, and 7.62x39 are in stock and expect between 60 cents to over 1 buck per round. Others are more expensive and hit and miss.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2021 07:01 PM (pO7gM)
Posted by: Javems at March 24, 2021 07:01 PM (8SSHh)
All that was made up by the first Supreme Court and everyone's gone along since. They have no power. They have no say. All their rulings etc. are enforced by the various legal departments and police departments both Federal and State.
Was it Jackson who said: "how many divisions do they have"? In re: the Supreme Court ruling against him.
No way to enforce anything. And at the rate they're going that just may happen. It's what the sanctuary gun movements are all about. If the LE of a polity won't enforce illegal rulings/laws then there is no law.
I'd like us to all go back to the strict interpretation of the constitution and the first lawyer who stands up and starts in on penumbras and emanations gets strung up.
Posted by: jakee308 at March 24, 2021 07:03 PM (h4cy5)
Brother's best friend John was his accomplice. When the bomb went off my dad's phone rang. It was John's mother. "Lloyd, is John there?" "No, April, he's not." "Well, is Terry there?" "No, he's not here either."
A long silence and then, "Did you hear that BOOM?"
We had railroad detectives on the doorstep the next day. Brother got shipped off to military school and things were much quieter in town after that.
Posted by: creeper at March 24, 2021 07:03 PM (XxJt1)
Posted by: Marcus Gravey at March 24, 2021 07:06 PM (UdUN9)
Posted by: Formerly known as Skeptic at March 24, 2021 07:07 PM (FR+I0)
I'd argue that you need to think about what kind of guns were available in the 18th century. Very few things well-suited for concealed carry. Open carry was pretty much the only way to bear arms back then, so I say it is protected by the 2nd Amendment. The Founding Fathers were indeed thinking about open carry when they wrote "shall not be infringed".
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at March 24, 2021 07:31 PM (H3MF8)
Posted by: Iggycaster at March 24, 2021 07:43 PM (7T/ge)
Posted by: Maddhatter at March 24, 2021 07:51 PM (KF3Vh)
Basically, if cops decide that the community needs safeguarding against "insurrectionists" and "domestic terrorists" (you know, conservatives!) they would be allowed to conduct warrantless raid to seize your firearms.
Posted by: Carolina Refugee at March 24, 2021 07:52 PM (FtCMd)
Posted by: jaggedskye at March 24, 2021 07:58 PM (d/NDV)
9th Circuit: "We can do whatever the fuck we want. The law isn't settled until we get our way. We'll keep sending it up to SCOTUS to see if SCOTUS will do what we want."
Kristi Noem: "hurr durr all the experts I talked to said that we would definitely lose in court, so let's not even try."
We want people who fight, that was the best aspect about Trump. That's why we were pretty much always willing to forgive him for being too loud or too bold. We weren't going to hold it against him that he was willing to fight fight fight for us. 99% of the GOP isn't willing. Other than DeSantis I'm not seeing the party do any real fighting. The best Senators and Representatives we have can put out an on-point tweet from time to time, and get some "zingers" in during Congressional hearings.
Posted by: Daryl Herbert at March 24, 2021 08:01 PM (CVpUt)
I suspect the latter."
I started suspecting, and saying, that over a year ago.
Too many things kept coming from the Federalist Society, "libertarian" things, that were far from conservative, yet nobody seemed willing to identify the Federalist Society as the source.
And now we will see if Roberts suborns enough of Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and Barrett under the pretense of not offending the media or provoking the Democrats to pack the court to enable this rewrite of the 2nd Amendment.
Posted by: Sam at March 24, 2021 08:02 PM (ohyxL)
Posted by: azjaeger at March 24, 2021 08:10 PM (3/XaG)
Then simply walk out.
Posted by: Thatch at March 24, 2021 08:21 PM (qWceQ)
Not that a particularly want to, or ever expect to use it, but I'm a crotchety old Texas broad, and I'm going to start doing so if the answer to this is satisfactory.
Posted by: empire 1 at March 24, 2021 08:22 PM (JJatH)
Carry your gun concealed if need be. I don't need a bunch of liberal fascists telling me what "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed" means.
One day we might discuss this very topic with them over a gun barrel or two.
Posted by: Waitingfor Godot at March 25, 2021 12:27 PM (1jN6+)
I do.
Posted by: Waitingfor Godot at March 25, 2021 12:28 PM (1jN6+)
I can see how some states would restrict open carry, but to have a judge prevent any carry is IMHO flaunting the US Constitution's 2nd Amendment.
But, such unilateral actions by predominantly Liberal Progressive judges would not surprise me.
Just saying
Posted by: The (Deplorable) MUSEman at March 25, 2021 06:33 PM (sxddN)
The reason is that Congress is looking for any excuse to set aside the filibuster rule in order to push through a bill that packs the Court. And a solid conservative ruling about either guns or abortions would give Congress that excuse. Thus if either subject does come before the Court in the next 3+ years, the court will have to go against its conscience and move the status quo leftward. With that in prospect, better not to have taken the case at all.
Posted by: jdgalt at March 25, 2021 09:41 PM (3SFo/)
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