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I loved The Mummy, more that I expected to.
The chemistry between him and Rachel Weiss was amazing. (And Rachel Weiss was so hot…wait til you see her in a snug, tight plaid pencil skirt… Anyways, this was the one and only time I remember seeing Brendan Frasier in a movie. Posted by: Cow Demon at December 06, 2025 07:35 PM (4786I) 4
Damn autocorrect…has it never heard of Rachel Weisz? Really?
Posted by: Cow Demon at December 06, 2025 07:35 PM (4786I) 5
They're talking sequel to that franchise. I would be down for it, if ... nervous.
Check out Fraser in "Blast from the Past". Hell, he's good in "Encino Man," which is just a goofy, dumb teen comedy. Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at December 06, 2025 07:37 PM (asXVI) 6
I like Brendan Fraser more than I will ever like Hanks.
Forrest Gump was the only thing Hanks was remarkable for in his appearance and he just seemed a natural. Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at December 06, 2025 07:38 PM (w6S0H) 7
Yeah with fraser it comes almost as innocent
Sort of a variati9n on lost in translation Hos integral rachel was to rhe plot wss when they replaced here with maria bello for the third film Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 06, 2025 07:40 PM (bXbFr) 8
Adam Sandler's Uncut Gems is the train wreck you see coming movie I found hard to watch though it was written, acted and directed fantastically
Posted by: the way I see it at December 06, 2025 07:41 PM (KDPiq) 9
That's a good summary of "Uncut Gems".
Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at December 06, 2025 07:42 PM (asXVI) 10
I, too, like Brendan just because he seems like a nice guy. He has an open face. Which probably limits the kind of rolls he can take.
And I, too, have no idea what the GenPub likes, because I'm a bit of a weirdo. Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 06, 2025 07:44 PM (kpS4V) 11
I used to sort of liked Tom Hanks at the beginning of his career but started not to care for his acting or able to suspend belief seeing him as a leading man.
Though I think Nothing in Common with Jackie Gleason is an underrated Hanks film. Posted by: the way I see it at December 06, 2025 07:45 PM (KDPiq) 12
With hanks after a point, its like they were forcing us to like him
Fraser is more like chris pratt to which chsrm comes natural Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 06, 2025 07:46 PM (bXbFr) 13
"If he hadn't had his career derailed by a series of mishaps and downright evil, Brendan Fraser..."
What does this mean? Posted by: Lyford at December 06, 2025 07:46 PM (gb+vr) 14
Loved Fraser in Bedazzled
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at December 06, 2025 07:46 PM (SRRAx) 15
Fraser was great in the TV sitcom , Scrubs for the 2 or 3 episodes he did playing the brother of Dr Cox's wife.
Posted by: the way I see it at December 06, 2025 07:47 PM (KDPiq) 16
8 Adam Sandler's Uncut Gems is the train wreck you see coming movie I found hard to watch though it was written, acted and directed fantastically
Posted by: the way I see it at December 06, 2025 07:41 PM (KDPiq) ---- I had the exact same reaction. You could not derail this bulletin train of bad choices. I tried to see it first in a theater but the volume was cranked to Monsters of Rock levels and I had to flee, thinking I hated the film. I later saw it at home and liked -- well, admired -- the story. Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 06, 2025 07:47 PM (kpS4V) 17
I like movie but I do not know movies.
PS 2.17.26 there will be a release of a remastered Star Wars. Posted by: r hennigantx at December 06, 2025 07:48 PM (gbOdA) 18
I thot 50 First Dates was great.
It has about 50 layers. Posted by: r hennigantx at December 06, 2025 07:50 PM (gbOdA) 19
There are some evil people in hollywood
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 06, 2025 07:50 PM (bXbFr) 20
And apparently there's gonna be a third Mummy movie and Brendan and Rachel Weisz are penciled in.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 06, 2025 07:50 PM (kpS4V) 21
Apollo 13 and Road to Perdition were good Hanks movies that could have been just as good or better (Perdition) with a different actor.
Posted by: the way I see it at December 06, 2025 07:51 PM (KDPiq) 22
Promethius
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at December 06, 2025 07:52 PM (Kt19C) 23
Over on Kickstarter, there's a campaign for a documentary about "The Final Sacrifice," an old, indy-produced Canadian movie. The film is best known for being featured on an episode of Mystery Science Theater 3000, and, in my humble opinion, it made for the single best episode in the 13 seasons of MST3K! It had the best of both worlds; there was a competent script and memorable characters, so the story of movie is enjoyable in-and-of itself, but the lack of budget and just the oddness of some of the characters made the movie eminently mock-able!
Anyways, the reward tiers for the documentary are a little bit steep, but....considering how often I've watched that movie, I don't have too much hesitation throwing a bit of cash their way. Posted by: Castle Guy at December 06, 2025 07:52 PM (Lhaco) 24
Good evening everyone
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 07:52 PM (Ia/+0) 25
He played kind of an antihero in that dc version of the avengers
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 06, 2025 07:53 PM (bXbFr) 26
Alien earth (retired thr prize)
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 06, 2025 07:53 PM (bXbFr) 27
I honestly haven't seen much of Brenden Frasier, but The Mummy was better than it had any right to be, and he's a star just based on that performance!
It's nice to see him have a career resurgence, even if I'm not terribly interested in the new movies he's making. Posted by: Castle Guy at December 06, 2025 07:54 PM (Lhaco) 28
ROWZDOWER!!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 06, 2025 07:54 PM (kpS4V) 29
Loved Fraser in Bedazzled
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas, AoSHQ's Plucky Wee One - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at December 06, 2025 07:46 PM (SRRAx) Yes. Wife and I love that movie. And the two Mummy movies. As someone mentioned, he and Rachel Weisz had crazy chemistry. A rare thing in cinema. Posted by: Pug Mahon Knows Stuff at December 06, 2025 07:55 PM (0aYVJ) 30
Speaking of Adam Sandler , one of his other serious movies that I think is really good and would recommend is Funny People. I even liked Seth Rogen a lot in the movie which is very unusual for me.
Posted by: the way I see it at December 06, 2025 07:56 PM (KDPiq) 31
The film is best known for being featured on an episode of Mystery Science Theater 3000, and, in my humble opinion, it made for the single best episode in the 13 seasons of MST3K!
--- It's great, but it's no "Space Mutiny" or "Alien From L.A.". I do love all the hockey hair and Canuck jokes. Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 06, 2025 07:56 PM (kpS4V) 32
Yeah that was a good one with liz hurley
Some what less plausible than the original with dudley moore Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 06, 2025 07:57 PM (bXbFr) 33
So many many years ago my best friend had to work and his sister (1 year and 1 grade older) wanted to go see
a movie she had won tickets to. So low and behold I am at his house with duct tape hemming up he Gloria Vanderbuilt jeans (she had bought that day) to go see Bee Gees St Peppers. North Park Mall Dallas Tx must have been summer of 78. Posted by: r hennigantx at December 06, 2025 07:57 PM (gbOdA) Hobby Thread - December 6, 2025 [TRex]![]() Welcome hobbyists! Pull up a chair and sit a spell with the Horde in this little corner of the interweb. This is the mighty, mighty officially sanctioned Ace of Spades Hobby Thread. A spin of the Ace of Spades Wheel of Hobbies (TM) landed on scavenging and scrounging. Are you thinking "I'm not into scavenging and scrounging and I really don't know what that means, but I am eager to learn more. I can't wait to get into the content!" I knew it. Enjoy.We did a bargain hunting theme in February, but let's think wider and bigger. This is more of a scavenger hunt idea - do you look for cool things and what cool things have you found (whether a bargain or not)? ![]() ![]() I'm a professional scavenger making a living selling curbside garbage. This blog details my finds and sales. It also acts as an archive for things beautiful and historic that would otherwise have been destroyed.Coins, postcards, artwork, military medals, photos, catalogs, jewelry, pottery, trophies, and more. This blog looks like a slice through history and culture. ![]() For years I have wandered around churches on days out, and am always drawn in by the colour and imagery of church kneelers. In amongst the grey stone and deep brown of the pews they sing out. They conjure up fantastical worlds filled with everything from the local swimming club to strange mythological beasts and heraldic crests. Three years ago on a trip to St Breaca Church in Breage, Cornwall, a towering pile of kneelers caught my attention. I snapped a photograph and so an obsession was born. I began The Church Kneeler Archive, where I actively collect and archive images of kneelers. I have travelled everywhere from the depths of West Yorkshire to the tip of Land's End in my pursuit of these tiny tapestries, and along the way I have made extraordinary discoveries.
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![]() Words of wisdom: "Because despite all our troubles, when things are grim out in that wide round world of ours, that's when it's really important to have a good hobby." Posted by: tankascribe at June 22, 2024 07:41 PM (HWxAD). If you have trouble finding something in the content or comments that resonates with you, contribute something from your personal hobbying. We will feature a different theme next time. What are you hobbying? We love showing off Horde hobbying. Send thoughts, suggestions and photos of your hobbying to moronhobbies at protonmail dot com. Do mighty things. Comments(Jump to bottom of comments)1
Don't scrounge anymore.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 06, 2025 05:31 PM (uQesX) 2
Welcome Hobbiests
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 05:31 PM (Ia/+0) 3
I guess my current hobby is making comments on the Hobby Thread and being ignored.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 06, 2025 05:32 PM (uQesX) 4
Used to be called a "scavvie" if you went scrounging in jr and high school.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 06, 2025 05:33 PM (uQesX) 5
Well, was going to bring up my hobby that finally got back to yesterday and this evening, scrapping lead. Made a ingot last evening from bunch of lead scraps and getting slag got a bit more our of it just before dark.
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 05:33 PM (Ia/+0) 6
Thrift stores! Estate sales! These things make me happy. Finding quality things on the. cheap. Thank you, Mr. Dino.
Posted by: BarelyScaryMary at December 06, 2025 05:34 PM (6p0Jv) 7
Hope everyone is having a good weekend. I'm detailing and weathering a 1/35 Whippet and it's turning out pretty nice. Ordered a Type 1 Chi-He from a hobby store in Tokyo. I like ordering from them because they send Japanese snacks along with every order.
Posted by: PA Dutchman at December 06, 2025 05:34 PM (31p00) 8
I got my scrounging from my grandfather, he lived through the depression raising a family so nothing got tossed away if it had potential.
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 05:36 PM (Ia/+0) 9
I will be very disappointed if someone does not submit an ornament made of macaroni art.
Did you forget most of us are 29, T? I'd say most of the macaroni art we made was probably in the 60s and long since gone. I have one or two from the 60s, but they're all stored where I'm too tired to get to anymore. The wife insists on newer ornaments on the tree. Does a darn good job of decorating it, though. Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 06, 2025 05:38 PM (uQesX) 10
Well, was going to bring up my hobby that finally got back to yesterday and this evening, scrapping lead. Made a ingot last evening from bunch of lead scraps and getting slag got a bit more our of it just before dark.
Posted by: Skip ---- I have a bucket of lead scraps behind the shop. Mr. Scary says maybe one day he will cast some bullets. I'm guessing one day will be never. Posted by: BarelyScaryMary at December 06, 2025 05:38 PM (6p0Jv) 11
Got a feeling people are untangling Christmas lights today.
Those things can be frustrating. Hanging them on the eve of a house is not fun either. Posted by: Case at December 06, 2025 05:39 PM (5Je/N) 12
I got my scrounging from my grandfather, he lived through the depression raising a family so nothing got tossed away if it had potential.
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 05:36 PM (Ia/+0) My Dad was Silent Generation, raised by Depression-era parents. One of my chores as a kid was straightening nails he had pulled from various things. We grew up in a frugal family, to say the least. Mom would re-use ziploc bags if they had previously stored something dry. Posted by: Pug Mahon, Bonafide at December 06, 2025 05:39 PM (0aYVJ) 13
https://tinyurl.com/yc6fp6a3
Missed this as happened on Sunday, the family tradition to make Christmas grave wreaths for passed family members. 4 of us made 16 wreaths. This is a very long tradition, hope it continues Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 05:39 PM (Ia/+0) 14
I remember making macaroni art and a matchstick cross at Vacation Bible School in the mid 70s.
Posted by: BarelyScaryMary at December 06, 2025 05:40 PM (6p0Jv) 15
I don't scrounge anymore either Orange Ent. I never had the knowledge to really find treasures at thrift stores and the like but in college and early working days they were my go to for filling the wardrobe and decorating. The last few years have been collecting things that are still good that I or my parents had acquired that were not being used and getting them to a thrift store.
Posted by: PaleRider at December 06, 2025 05:41 PM (hhkIi) 16
Cannot do the scrounging.
I find I hold onto things for no reason at all. Then I go into a wild cleaning phase where I will trash what I have accumulated. When I finally move from this apartment I want to take as little as possible with me. So as it stands my hobbies are golf, shooting. Scuba diving is no longer viable. I do hope to add travel as a hobby in the near future. ;-) Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 06, 2025 05:44 PM (PxkKd) 17
I no longer have any macaroni art from my childhood.
I did find the Christmas stocking knitted for me by my grandmother. It has my name and my birth year among other features. I have a couple of other hand-made Christmas stockings but that one is by far my favorite because it's so personal. Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 06, 2025 05:44 PM (ESVrU) 18
My lead scavenger started to make bullets but my job sometimes its a bonanza. I have to have over 400 pounds of lead here.
Pure lead not from contaminated can be worth a bit Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 05:45 PM (Ia/+0) 19
Posted by: PaleRider at December 06, 2025 05:41 PM (hhkIi)
Yeah. Pale. Unless you have the knowledge of the value of so many things, you can pass up something worth real money. I occasionally watch a scrounger type show on Roku where people have all this expensive stuff in their garages or barns. At my age, I'm more into getting rid of things instead of acquiring more stuff my family has to get rid of when the time comes. Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 06, 2025 05:45 PM (uQesX) 20
12. I still do that with ziplock bags. Not all the time but fairly often. Frugal family and then it was 'save the environment' in school so it just feels wrong to toss the clean ziplock or not re-use the sturdy plastic bottles from Pure Leaf tea etc with water from home instead of buying a fancy water bottle or buying bottled water routinely.
Posted by: PaleRider at December 06, 2025 05:46 PM (hhkIi) 21
As long as you don't put food in the bags, I see no reason not to reuse ziplocks instead of buying new ones if they're in good condition.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 06, 2025 05:47 PM (uQesX) 22
I actually still have a ceramic mug I made back in junior high. Never drank from it.
Currently it is on a shelf with a golf ball and other knick knacks in it. Also a small wooden box made in shop class. That too was made in junior high. Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 06, 2025 05:49 PM (PxkKd) 23
""Are you a woodworker that sources materials from discarded furniture? Are you a musician that has found and restored tired instruments? ""
Both. Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 06, 2025 05:49 PM (snZF9) 24
I'm trying to use up all the stuff I've scavenged, Scrounged or hoarded. It will probably take the rest of my life even if I don't get anything else.
On a different hobby topic; Where Winds Meet is a new (to the US) free to play game on Steam. I have created a guild in game for the Horde, if anyone is interested. It's called AoSHQHorde and, my toon is named Nissanna. Feel free to message me in game or here to join. Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at December 06, 2025 05:49 PM (lFFaq) 25
I used to go too all the hamfests I could and buy parts in the flea market. Now I have a garage full of junk that I'm starting to throw away.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 06, 2025 05:50 PM (pkeXY) 26
Also a small wooden box made in shop class. That too was made in junior high.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 06, 2025 05:49 PM (PxkKd) Oh no! Not a wooden box!! https://tinyurl.com/yhwam7n6 Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 06, 2025 05:51 PM (uQesX) 27
When I was in graduate school prime scavenging locations were the dumpsters outside student housing areas at the end of the month (moving day) especially at the end of the semester. The secret underground student economy was a thing, and it was considered good manners to leave any furniture that was functional but not a part of *your* life any more outside the dumpster so it could find a new home. I still have two very sturdy chairs I saved from the grad school dumpster ...
(ooh, I got a Notable Comment! First time for everything!) Posted by: Sabrina Chase at December 06, 2025 05:54 PM (CidsT) 28
""Do you haunt estate sales or auctions or seek barn finds? Do you stop by garage sales or tag sales looking for bargains? Have you ever bought the contents of an abandoned storage unit? Do you visit swap meets?""
I used to do motorcycle swap meets for rare harley parts, and these days its all mostly junk, so I rarely do that anymore. Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 06, 2025 05:54 PM (snZF9) 29
Mom would re-use ziploc bags if they had previously stored something dry. Posted by: Pug Mahon, Bonafide My mom washed them out and kept them. So do I. Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 06, 2025 05:54 PM (pkeXY) 30
My Granddad was a Dumpster Diver. He liked to put together bicycles for kids who didn't have one. He also liked putting together lawnmowers from parts he'd find.
He was a Depression kid and WWII veteran of the China Burma India theater. He saw terrible things and never spoke of them. He was kind and jolly. It made him happy to recycle things to help someone else. He was a great man. I miss you, PaPaw. Posted by: BarelyScaryMary at December 06, 2025 05:55 PM (6p0Jv) 31
Since I'm not Catholic/High Church I had no idea kneelers were still worked by individuals and not just covered in mass-produced fabric.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at December 06, 2025 05:55 PM (lFFaq) 32
Curbside scavenger sounds like a lot 0f crackheads I've met.
Posted by: Eromero at December 06, 2025 05:57 PM (LHPAg) 33
Anyone who reloads their ammunition will be a scrounger. Used brass at the range nobody picked up is the usual. I'm not above looking through the trash barrel at the range. I have a trash barrel of old style lead wheel weights, probably a few hundred pounds, that I melt down to make cast bullets. An old heavy pot, found at the curb, can be used to melt lead. I have a small electric furnace to do that but have heard of people using old Coleman stoves to do the melting.
Part of the fun of reloading ammo is to make a game of doing it for the least cost without skimping on safety. Some creative scrounging is standard. Posted by: JTB at December 06, 2025 05:58 PM (yTvNw) 34
>>>I used the 3D printer to make the Nakatomi plaza Advent calendar.
As you pull each day, Hans Gruber falls one more floor. She loved it. Posted by: Chappyman66 at November 29, 2025 06:01 PM (boKcN) This is so great! Posted by: m at December 06, 2025 05:59 PM (RuTUS) 35
26 Oh no! Not a wooden box!!
https://tinyurl.com/yhwam7n6 Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 06, 2025 05:51 PM LOL LOL Damn that was funny!! Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 06, 2025 06:00 PM (PxkKd) 36
Thrift stores! Estate sales! These things make me happy. Finding quality things on the. cheap. Thank you, Mr. Dino.
Posted by: BarelyScaryMary ************ Oh, I couldn't agree more. I can spend hours just wandering among the stalls looking at all the "treasures." Some have even come home with me! Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at December 06, 2025 06:01 PM (ITBpd) 37
13 https://tinyurl.com/yc6fp6a3
Missed this as happened on Sunday, the family tradition to make Christmas grave wreaths for passed family members. 4 of us made 16 wreaths. This is a very long tradition, hope it continues Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 05:39 PM (Ia/+0) Wonderful, Skip! Posted by: m at December 06, 2025 06:03 PM (RuTUS) 38
I was expecting either i) toy train sets, or ii) bamboo. Posted by: Soothsayer at December 06, 2025 06:04 PM (KJCdi) 39
I spent a good part of the day prepping for my main winter hobby; I got my snowboarding gear out, gave everything a good test-fitting, and filling the pockets with the appropriate emergency or back-up gear. Tomorrow I actually go snowboarding. Still not a whole lot of snow on the local mountain, so it may be short day if the runs aren't any good. But, still, it's important to get on the mountain and at least work the rarely-used muscles...
Posted by: Castle Guy at December 06, 2025 06:05 PM (Lhaco) 40
Anyone who reloads their ammunition will be a scrounger. Used brass at the range nobody picked up is the usual.
Ya gotta be careful with range brass. If you accidentally pick up a caliber you don't reload, you're now obligated to buy the dies and a rifle and start reloading it. Posted by: Oddbob at December 06, 2025 06:06 PM (3nLb4) 41
Always sadly, 1 wreath is for my cousin who died when she was barely not 16yo in a car accident right around Christmas.
She would have been 50 this year Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 06:07 PM (Ia/+0) 42
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I was expecting either i) toy train sets, or ii) bamboo. Posted by: Soothsayer at December 06, 2025 06:04 PM *** Bamboo? Posted by: TRex - topic research dino at December 06, 2025 06:09 PM (ITBpd) 43
29 years ago went to a sale at UC Berkeley. Lots of sciency stuff. Guy was buying an electron microscope. Said he was going to make one helluva mouse trap!
ZZZZAP! Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at December 06, 2025 06:09 PM (Kt19C) 44
My uncle Tony worked for NYC Sanitation and brought home all kinds of treasures.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 06, 2025 06:10 PM (sF9Ts) 45
The one thing I did always try to seek out is old vacuum tubes. Ones from the 40's, 50's or 60's. I used to try to find old wrecked radios, TVs, or anything that used them. Either 12ax7 preamp tubes, or 6v6, 6L6, or EL34 power tubes. Vintage tubes are great in guitar amps.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 06, 2025 06:11 PM (snZF9) 46
Bamboo?
Posted by: TRex - topic research dino at December 06, 2025 06:09 PM (ITBpd) Pro tip, T: go for the Big Bamboo. Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 06, 2025 06:11 PM (uQesX) 47
Those kneelers are needlepoint. A task baked in patience. I made one needlepoint piece in my life - for my brother. When I gave it to him I informed him he would have the ONLY piece of needlepoint I would ever make, lol. I've only ever seen those kind of kneelers in old historic Southern churches....beautiful pieces that have lasted the ages....
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at December 06, 2025 06:12 PM (ITBpd) 48
When I did more woodworking, I would scrounge any wood I could. I have a couple of hunks of tree trunk I use as a hammering spot. I collected some fruit wood branches, left at the curb, to make walking sticks and trivets. Fruit wood is hard but can be worked with sharp hand tools. You can do a lot of shaping with rasps and files. I used to haunt garage sales for old hand tools that could often be restored with a little effort. Probably saved a few hundred dollars over the years doing that.
Posted by: JTB at December 06, 2025 06:13 PM (yTvNw) 49
I have a gold pocket watch, with gold chain, circa 1885, from family long ago.
There are other family heirlooms. Nobody cares. Seriously valuable stuff. Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 06, 2025 06:13 PM (NwnyJ) 50
25 I used to go too all the hamfests I could and buy parts in the flea market. Now I have a garage full of junk that I'm starting to throw away.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. I'm searching for a reasonably priced vacuum variable capacitor for 20-10M mag loop project. Posted by: Maj. Healey at December 06, 2025 06:14 PM (abIsI) 51
used to do motorcycle swap meets
At a campout guy had euro bike parts. Bought a beautiful streamline headlight nacelle dirt cheap. Resold it cheap within an hour to a welcome buyer. Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at December 06, 2025 06:14 PM (Kt19C) 52
I inherited a pocket watch. It is missing the crystal and one hand. I took it to the jewelers for repairs. They sent it out and it sat there for three months, untouched. I finally got it back. Still should be repaired as it seems to run.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 06, 2025 06:15 PM (+mUZM) 53
35 26 Oh no! Not a wooden box!!
https://tinyurl.com/yhwam7n6 Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 06, 2025 05:51 PM LOL LOL Damn that was funny!! Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 06, 2025 06:00 PM (PxkKd) hahahahaha good ones Posted by: m at December 06, 2025 06:15 PM (RuTUS) 54
Mrs. Mahon is getting back into cross-stitching, after a lengthy battle with Lyme disease. She is very happy about the muscle memory recall.
Last winter she could barely walk without a cane. Her recovery has been remarkable. Posted by: Pug Mahon, Bonafide at December 06, 2025 06:15 PM (0aYVJ) 55
Pug, that is wonderful news. Hoping her recovery continues. And cross-stitching is my main happy place, just calms me. I have two more ornaments to finish before Christmas...
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at December 06, 2025 06:17 PM (ITBpd) 56
40 ... "Ya gotta be careful with range brass. If you accidentally pick up a caliber you don't reload, you're now obligated to buy the dies and a rifle and start reloading it."
I avoided that temptation, sometimes just barely. Since I have to sort the cases anyway, I just put the calibers I don't use aside and offer them to folks who do use them. Met some nice people doing that. I don't do this myself but some brass can be reformed, especially the case neck, into a different caliber. Posted by: JTB at December 06, 2025 06:19 PM (yTvNw) 57
45 The one thing I did always try to seek out is old vacuum tubes. Ones from the 40's, 50's or 60's. I used to try to find old wrecked radios, TVs, or anything that used them. Either 12ax7 preamp tubes, or 6v6, 6L6, or EL34 power tubes. Vintage tubes are great in guitar amps.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division I have an even dozen NIB 811 RCA tubes for my HF amplifier. I purchased the whole set about 15 years ago from some old guy that listed them on Craigslist. They were cheaply priced. Posted by: Maj. Healey at December 06, 2025 06:19 PM (abIsI) Posted by: UXO at December 06, 2025 06:20 PM (Wnv9h) 59
Scavenging & scrounging brings out the hoarder in me.
Dangerous Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 06, 2025 06:20 PM (dE3DB) 60
3 I guess my current hobby is making comments on the Hobby Thread and being ignored.
Posted by: OrangeEnt -- *participates by ignoring OrangeEnt* Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 06, 2025 06:23 PM (dE3DB) 61
Pug, that is good news that your Mrs. can stitch again. It has been a long time but cross stitching is nice to do.
Posted by: BarelyScaryMary at December 06, 2025 06:24 PM (6p0Jv) 62
*participates by ignoring OrangeEnt*
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 06, 2025 06:23 PM (dE3DB) And a fine job you've been doing! (snif) Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 06, 2025 06:26 PM (uQesX) 63
56 I don't do this myself but some brass can be reformed, especially the case neck, into a different caliber.
Posted by: JTB at December 06, 2025 06:19 PM *** Anyone try melting down the brass and re-using the raw material for something else? Posted by: TRex - brassy dino at December 06, 2025 06:26 PM (ITBpd) 64
*participates by ignoring OrangeEnt*
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 06, 2025 06:23 PM (dE3DB) And a fine job you've been doing! (snif) Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 06, 2025 06:26 PM You guys hear something? Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 06, 2025 06:28 PM (Wnv9h) 65
Hey Scube, if you are not scuba diving anymore is your nic going to change?
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at December 06, 2025 06:29 PM (ITBpd) 66
I was waiting for the hobby thread to post this (thought some of you may have seen it already).
Guy made a massive Christmas Village and Train display. https://youtu.be/ag3AFwavnMk Posted by: No One of Consequence at December 06, 2025 06:31 PM (OGOaV) 67
Anyone try melting down the brass and re-using the raw material for something else?
Posted by: TRex - brassy dino at December 06, 2025 06:26 PM (ITBpd) I have more brass and lead than I'll ever need. Don't know what to do with it. Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 06, 2025 06:33 PM (uQesX) 68
Kneelers? I have always had kneeler pads, but they are built in to the pews.
Is this a Protestant thing? Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 06, 2025 06:34 PM (zZu0s) 69
13 the family tradition to make Christmas grave wreaths for passed family members. 4 of us made 16 wreaths.
This is a very long tradition, hope it continues Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 05:39 PM *** Nice tradition Skip. Thanks for sharing. Posted by: TRex - wreaths are circular garland at December 06, 2025 06:36 PM (ITBpd) 70
I have lots of brass scrap as well. Constantly watch videos on people making objects with brass.
A sword would be neat to make, but smaller objects as well. Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 06:36 PM (Ia/+0) 71
This is my 'round to it scavengering. I save wood from old furniture, strip copper out of defunct engines and wires , cut and save unusual shapes of wood out of trees and strands of horse tail hair for braiding.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 06, 2025 06:37 PM (sDNVV) 72
I do lead out in my fire pit with a grate supported by blocks around the pit. But think brass would need a bit higher temperature and a kiln
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 06:38 PM (Ia/+0) 73
I am getting rid of most of what I accumulated through estate sales and curb pickups.
Beautiful wood (walnut and birch, some cedar), table saw, hand tools. The only thing I use routinely now is a power supply from an estate sale that runs my slot car track. Posted by: Chappyman66 at December 06, 2025 06:39 PM (GwqYh) 74
I used to embarrass my kids by hauling stuff out of people's trash.
Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at December 06, 2025 06:39 PM (0nHVk) 75
Hording is just an element of all my other hobbies. I horde until I have a complete project then I forget about it and horde some more stuff until...
It's all about having stuff to do when and if I retire. Posted by: Reforger at December 06, 2025 06:41 PM (03GBw) 76
C-class solar flare(not CME - my mistake) M 8.1 duration 20 minutes. 20:39 UTC today.
Anyway, to the hobby - trying to play a few tunes with a guitar tuned down a whole step like Leon Redbone used to to...makes the strings on this Takamine Santa Fe a little loose and ringy...nice to sing, though. Tunes fit for a baritone. Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2025 06:42 PM (vd6bO) 77
Did not realize how big a thing scrounging was until I settled in Florida. People put stuff on their curb and advertise it on Facebook Marketplace as free stuff.
The ex was addicted to thrift stores, so now I tend to avoid accumulating stuff. My general rule is, once it's in your house, you'll at some point need to figure how to get it out of your house... Posted by: Joe Kidd at December 06, 2025 06:42 PM (nbLIj) 78
Folks who shoot traditional black powder guns (not the cursed modern inline stuff) tend to be scroungers. Old felt hats are stamped out to make wads for revolvers and for black powder cartridges. Cloth from end of rolls at fabric stores, often given away or at a huge discount, can be made into shooting or cleaning patches, heavier cloth into shooting bags and other cloth accessories. Percussion caps can be made from aluminum soda cans and toy caps. Pure lead for round balls can be found in scrap piles of old plumbing pipes and old style window weights. Metal containers like Altoid boxes get turned into fire starting kits, little tool and implement tins. Pure cotton, heavy stuff, can be made into charcloth using a grill and tight tin can.
So many possibilities for scrounging and improvising. Posted by: JTB at December 06, 2025 06:43 PM (yTvNw) 79
I guess my current hobby is making comments on the Hobby Thread and being ignored.
Posted by: OrangeEnt And you are very good at it! Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 06, 2025 06:43 PM (z/7Ah) 80
And you are very good at it!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 06, 2025 06:43 PM (z/7Ah) Sorta slacking at it this week. I've been noticed a couple times. Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 06, 2025 06:46 PM (uQesX) 81
66 Guy made a massive Christmas Village and Train display.
Posted by: No One of Consequence at December 06, 2025 06:31 PM *** Wow. That's impressive! Thanks for posting! Posted by: TRex - All aboard! at December 06, 2025 06:47 PM (ITBpd) 82
I have a short box trailer here filled with stuff for projects.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 06, 2025 06:47 PM (sDNVV) 83
Anyway, to the hobby - trying to play a few tunes with a guitar tuned down a whole step like Leon Redbone used to to...makes the strings on this Takamine Santa Fe a little loose and ringy...nice to sing, though. Tunes fit for a baritone.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2025 06:42 PM (vd6bO) Welcome to my life. Frigging metalheads never tune to E standard anymore, some do, but now we got E flat, D, C#, C, and some even B. Technically the guitar needs to be set up for the key its tuned to. The string gauge needs to be heavier, the truss rod needs to be adjusted, etc. I have a rack that holds 7 guitars next to me because of all the frigging tunnings, and they're not my good ones because I'm not putting them through that crap. Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 06, 2025 06:47 PM (snZF9) 84
I have lots of brass scrap as well. Constantly watch videos on people making objects with brass.
A sword would be neat to make, but smaller objects as well. Posted by: Skip BIL, no not that one. A different one! Thi one cast a big brass skull. it is really well done. Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 06, 2025 06:48 PM (z/7Ah) 85
When we moved last winter, we had to be very harsh about getting rid of all the stuff that we accumulated over the 20-plus years we lived in our house. Even after The Cull, we have a storage unit crammed with stuff in our new town.
We had a garage sale, which helped. But I ask, why did we have six TVs? Sons joked that we lived in a sports bar. We now have two, which is less crazy. Posted by: Pug Mahon, Bonafide at December 06, 2025 06:48 PM (0aYVJ) 86
63 ... "Anyone try melting down the brass and re-using the raw material for something else?"
Lead for bullets can be melted on a campfire or over a camp stove. Brass melts at around 1,700 degrees F, IIRC. Never heard of a hobbyist reloader melting down brass cases. Posted by: JTB at December 06, 2025 06:49 PM (yTvNw) 87
I scrounged some steel angle and some lag bolts today.
Posted by: fd, formally known as f'd at December 06, 2025 06:50 PM (vFG9F) 88
Sorta slacking at it this week. I've been noticed a couple times.
Posted by: OrangeEnt Take heart, I'm sure we'll all start ignoring you again soon! Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 06, 2025 06:50 PM (z/7Ah) 89
once it's in your house, you'll at some point need to figure how to get it out of your house...
Used to date her . Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at December 06, 2025 06:50 PM (Kt19C) 90
I picked up a real cute little kitchen setup from someone's trash, I was going to fix it all up for my grandkids to play with when they visit, unfortunately I had it sitting next to the garage when the big tree fell on it back in October. I have since burned it in the fireplace.
Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at December 06, 2025 06:51 PM (0nHVk) 91
I have since burned it in the fireplace.
Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz Definitely up scaled it! Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 06, 2025 06:53 PM (z/7Ah) 92
I was waiting for the hobby thread to post this (thought some of you may have seen it already).
Guy made a massive Christmas Village and Train display. https://youtu.be/ag3AFwavnMk Posted by: No One of Consequence *********** Thanks for sharing this. What a collection! Love the views from the camera on the front of the train, and the night shots. And yes, my collection started as 3 village pieces back in the day, and then grew - but not anywhere near the size of theirs. And a third was donated when we were moving cross country. Does he really take that down and then reassemble it every year? Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at December 06, 2025 06:54 PM (ITBpd) 93
Lead is only about 750°f to melt. We would drop shot anywhere between 760 and 810 depending on size. Any higher some trace element , I forget which, level goes haywire. Antimony I think.
Posted by: Reforger at December 06, 2025 06:55 PM (03GBw) 94
, and they're not my good ones because I'm not putting them through that crap.
_-_ Howls! I have a few I keep out...one archtop, a 2000's vintage Recording King, an Epiphone J45, the l'il Takamine, and a banjo. The Takamine has led a very rough life, so it is the one that gets the de-tune assignments. Downside to having them all out realized last night. The teenage son who does not realize how big he is tried to wrestle me to the floor yesterday. Landed on the guitar rack and collapsed it. Oddly enough, not a scratch on any of them...only damage seemed to be that the cookie the big boy was holding seemed to be in pieces inside the Epiphone....easier to get out than a pick, though. Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2025 06:59 PM (vd6bO) 95
My favorite was a comment made by a workman who said his grandfather had a shoebox on which he had written "string too short to save," filled with, yup, exactly what he described.
Posted by: Wenda at December 06, 2025 06:59 PM (PkCdJ) 96
As my tendonitis recedes I'm going to start some small simple whittling projects to get back some hand strength. Probably ball in a cage, 'five minute' wizard or owl (takes me longer), or comfort birds. Basswood all the way. Might as well use a hobby as minor physical therapy.
Posted by: JTB at December 06, 2025 06:59 PM (yTvNw) 97
90 I picked up a real cute little kitchen setup from someone's trash, I was going to fix it all up for my grandkids to play with when they visit, unfortunately I had it sitting next to the garage when the big tree fell on it back in October. I have since burned it in the fireplace.
Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz --- Inadvertently repurposed toys into Lincoln logs? That is a win-win. Posted by: BarelyScaryMary at December 06, 2025 07:01 PM (6p0Jv) 98
Might as well use a hobby as minor physical therapy.
Posted by: JTB That sounds like a great idea. Purchase Band-Aids first! Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 06, 2025 07:01 PM (z/7Ah) 99
Thanks for the interesting and informative Scrounging Hobby Thread, T-Rex!
I have reached the stage where I really need to evaluate what to keep and what treasures to bless someone else with. Mostly blessing others with my treasures which are no longer needed or used. Posted by: Legally Sufficient at December 06, 2025 07:01 PM (kB9dk) 100
My housemate is an artist and wants to sell some of her scratchboard works for Christmas money. https://tinyurl.com/2aedc8nu link goes to facebook.
I had to search online to get some idea of what scratchboard art went for, the 11x14 size which is what she has seems to be around 400 dollars at the etsy links that came up. I'm wishing I was farther ahead on my decluttering, I think these are great, but its always "but where would I hang it?" Posted by: PaleRider at December 06, 2025 07:01 PM (hhkIi) 101
AZ deplorable moron, good to see you, please say hi to your lovely Missus for me. Merry Christmas!
Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at December 06, 2025 07:02 PM (0nHVk) 102
Looking at some empty Balvenie bottles. A string soaked in gasoline tied around the bottle and ignited then doused in water will give you a clean cut on the glass.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 06, 2025 07:03 PM (sDNVV) 103
Yellow brass melts 1650- 1720 F
Videos I watch use a kiln and gas fired Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 07:04 PM (Ia/+0) 104
"My favorite was a comment made by a workman who said his grandfather had a shoebox on which he had written "string too short to save," filled with, yup, exactly what he described.
Posted by: Wenda" I have a box full of springs labeled "Springs". Then I have another box of springs labeled "More Springs". Posted by: fd at December 06, 2025 07:04 PM (vFG9F) 105
say hi to your lovely Missus for me. Merry Christmas!
Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz Thank you! I will! And I thought the same when I saw DDS! Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 06, 2025 07:04 PM (z/7Ah) 106
That is wonderful news about Mrs. Mahon's recovery from Lyme disease. She must be thrilled.
Posted by: JTB at December 06, 2025 07:04 PM (yTvNw) 107
Downside to having them all out realized last night. The teenage son who does not realize how big he is tried to wrestle me to the floor yesterday. Landed on the guitar rack and collapsed it. Oddly enough, not a scratch on any of them...only damage seemed to be that the cookie the big boy was holding seemed to be in pieces inside the Epiphone....easier to get out than a pick, though.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2025 06:59 PM (vd6bO) Yup, dodged a bullet there. Nothing expensive goes in my rack. The last thing I need is Mrs B knocking them over like a leg lamp. lol Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 06, 2025 07:06 PM (snZF9) 108
I still have, and often find a screw or bolt my grandfather collected in cans. And if you need say 4, and find 1 then there are 3 others just like it in that can
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 07:06 PM (Ia/+0) 109
>>My uncle Tony worked for NYC Sanitation and brought home all kinds of treasures.
There's a woman here in town that runs a dog walking/sitting business. Her husband works for the local rubbish service. They have a room in their house where the 4 legged visitors stay and its furnished with furniture he finds people throwing away. Dogs live large in that house. Posted by: JackStraw at December 06, 2025 07:06 PM (viF8m) 110
I did acquire a nice sofa today that folds out to a full size bed for Little. 40 bucks and it looked like it just came out of the showroom. He and I hit the Waffle House on the way down. Waitress had a nose ring, but was absolutely effervescent. I was conflicted...
Posted by: Joe Kidd at December 06, 2025 07:06 PM (nbLIj) 111
It took my wife and I quite a few years to mostly break the scrounging habit. When we were younger, broke and raising the kids, something on the curb with a "Free" sign was a red flag. Yes, we found some good and useful stuff.
Best find I ever came across was a Dual Reference turntable, perfect condition, in a thrift store for $4.95 . Still use it. Posted by: The Neon Madman at December 06, 2025 07:09 PM (yNfcm) 112
I have a box full of springs labeled "Springs". Then I have another box of springs labeled "More Springs".
Posted by: fd at December 06, 2025 07:04 PM (vFG9F) I got box full of old harley valve springs. I keep meaning to go through them one day and put them on a tester to check them out and make matched sets to weed out the weak ones. In reality, that probably won't get done before colander face mask world happens and they'll be repurposed for other shit. Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 06, 2025 07:10 PM (snZF9) 113
I have a box full of springs labeled "Springs". Then I have another box of springs labeled "More Springs".
Posted by: fd at December 06, 2025 07:04 PM (vFG9F) NO SPRINGS!!! HA HA HA HA! Posted by: Coily at December 06, 2025 07:10 PM (0aYVJ) 114
98 ... "That sounds like a great idea.
Purchase Band-Aids first!" Trust me. With my big hands and small whittling projects, band-aids are always nearby. Plus I use a kevlar carving glove to hold the wood and a thumb pad on the knife hand. I haven't cut my knife hand. Yet. Posted by: JTB at December 06, 2025 07:11 PM (yTvNw) 115
Cleaned-out the father-in-law's garage when he passed...in addition to his own stuff, he woulld retrieve things from the dumpster that the neighbors threw away that he thought they might actually need later. Each thing...and the garage was very, very full of the things, had a piece of scrap paper with the retrieval date witten on it in pencil.
I was new to their family, so I got the job of cleaning it out. Nobody else wanted to, since you never know what kind of stuff that belongs to a family member has memories that matter attached to it. Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2025 07:11 PM (vd6bO) 116
Keychain Compass I've been meaning to acquire one, but don't want cheap chinese junk. So I occasionally look at ebay. These things were cheap & plentiful when we were kids, yes? Didn't Coleman make some? Posted by: Soothsayer at December 06, 2025 07:13 PM (xTbNp) 117
Sorry to be less visible tonight. Interweb connection is unstable at best. Just wanted to say hello and thank everyone in case it becomes unpossible later.
Posted by: TRex - bad connection dino at December 06, 2025 07:14 PM (OOGCW) 118
btw, the chinese can't even make a compass that works Posted by: Soothsayer at December 06, 2025 07:14 PM (xTbNp) 119
NO SPRINGS!!! HA HA HA HA!
Posted by: Coily ---- My hobby is MST3K references. The Master would not be pleased. Posted by: BarelyScaryMary at December 06, 2025 07:14 PM (6p0Jv) 120
We moved here 4.5 years ago. I filled two 3rolling garbage bins With stuff collected over the previous 3 houses. I was lucky the bins rolled...
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 06, 2025 07:15 PM (z/7Ah) 121
"I keep meaning to go through them one day and put them on a tester to check them out and make matched sets to weed out the weak ones. In reality, that probably won't get done before colander face mask world happens and they'll be repurposed for other shit.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division" That's kind of my philosophy. I'll sort them if I need them. Life is too short to spend sorting springs. Posted by: fd at December 06, 2025 07:15 PM (vFG9F) 122
a jackknife a compass a piece of Bazooka gum, or just the wrapper from a piece When did these things stop being "essential" to us? Posted by: Soothsayer at December 06, 2025 07:16 PM (xTbNp) 123
Thanks Coily! I knew someone would get it.
Posted by: fd at December 06, 2025 07:16 PM (vFG9F) 124
"My hobby is MST3K references. The Master would not be pleased.
Posted by: BarelyScaryMary" You would love my ringtone. It's Krankor laughing. Posted by: fd at December 06, 2025 07:18 PM (vFG9F) 125
My mother used to sew/knit/crochet/make dolls, etc. She never seemed to make just one of anything, usually aiming for 20-50 in quantity. When we cleaned out that place, we thought we were done with the craft supplies after emptying the house, but as any good redneck can tell you, junk cars make for good storage...most of them were actually rat/mouse-proof. Not all, though. Fun.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2025 07:18 PM (vd6bO) 126
a piece of Bazooka gum, or just the wrapper from a piece
When did these things stop being "essential" to us? Posted by: Soothsayer I know, right! In corps school we were taught how to use the clear wrapper off a pack of cigarettes on a sucking chest wound! Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 06, 2025 07:19 PM (z/7Ah) 127
That no springs video is so silly it's unforgettable
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 07:19 PM (Ia/+0) 128
"My hobby is MST3K references. The Master would not be pleased.
Posted by: BarelyScaryMary" You would love my ringtone. It's Krankor laughing. Posted by: fd at December 06, 2025 07:18 PM (vFG9F) MST3k is my version of the 3 Stooges. I never get tired of it. The missus, however, does. A lot of sighing. Posted by: Pug Mahon Knows Stuff at December 06, 2025 07:21 PM (0aYVJ) 129
A lot of sighing
_-_ That's a good woman right there....some get to throwing things after a spell. Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2025 07:23 PM (vd6bO) 130
Mrs fd absolutely does not get MST3K. I wonder sometimes if she gets me.
Posted by: fd at December 06, 2025 07:23 PM (vFG9F) 131
Mrs fd absolutely does not get MST3K. I wonder sometimes if she gets me.
Posted by: fd at December 06, 2025 07:23 PM (vFG9F) Sometimes she'll quote something from MST, the Simpsons (the old ones), or Monty Python. And then she'll pause, and say, "what have you and the boys done to me?" Posted by: Pug Mahon Knows Stuff at December 06, 2025 07:27 PM (0aYVJ) 132
I have Manos: The Hands of Fate and Santa Claus Comquers the Martians on DVD. It is a Christmas favorite in the Scary household
Posted by: BarelyScaryMary at December 06, 2025 07:28 PM (6p0Jv) 133
There's always a running loop-stream of MST3K episodes on Youtube. I've often piped it through the bluetooth and listen during my commutes. Posted by: Soothsayer at December 06, 2025 07:28 PM (DJUFe) 134
ft, spring-collecting is even funnier than string-collecting!
My own personal coup was a Louis Vuitton trunk that a neighbor put out as garbage. Spotted it on my morning run, which turned into a morning sprint home so I could get the car and go back for it! Posted by: Wenda at December 06, 2025 07:28 PM (PkCdJ) 135
I want to get the Torgo theme music for my phone.
Posted by: Pug Mahon Knows Stuff at December 06, 2025 07:28 PM (0aYVJ) 136
133 There's always a running loop-stream of MST3K episodes on Youtube. I've often piped it through the bluetooth and listen during my commutes.
Posted by: Soothsayer at December 06, 2025 07:28 PM (DJUFe) ---------------------------------- PlutoTV has an MST3K channel (and a RiffTrax channel as well) Posted by: No One of Consequence at December 06, 2025 07:30 PM (OGOaV) 137
One last, and pleasant, thought. We put a twin bed in good condition on the curb. In a half hour a young mother stopped and asked if it was for sale. When told it was free she lit up. Her older boy, perhaps seven, was going to get his OWN BED. She almost had tears in her eyes. Knowing something we didn't need could be so appreciated was hugely satisfying.
Posted by: JTB at December 06, 2025 07:31 PM (yTvNw) 138
Pluto TV has channels for MST and Rifftrax. But, they seem to play the same ones for a long time before adding any more. And sometimes they feature the new MST, which is garbage (por ejemplo: Patton Oswalt) Blech. Very blech.
Posted by: Pug Mahon Knows Stuff at December 06, 2025 07:32 PM (0aYVJ) 139
Mid 1980's my recently retired late father is taking his daily walk around his then sparsely populated Florida neighborhood and finds maybe 10 sheets of high quality 4 X 8 plywood on the side of the road. He comes back with his truck and as he's loading his plywood up comes a county sheriff, a lady deputy. She asks what he's doing, he tells her 'I found it'. She helps him load it into his truck and follows him to the sheriffs station.
They held it for 30, maybe 60 days. He'd go every week to make sure it was covered and undamaged. No one claimed it so they released it to him. He built a nice storage shed with it. Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at December 06, 2025 07:32 PM (QGaXH) 140
He and I hit the Waffle House on the way down. Waitress had a nose ring, but was absolutely effervescent. I was conflicted...
Posted by: Joe Kidd at December 06, 2025 07:06 PM (nbLIj) ~~~~~ Some years ago I was in the hospital for a couple of days and a new night nurse walks in...spiked bright white hair, tattoos up and down both arms and an eyebrow piercing. I groaned internally but she turned out to be the absolute best nurse I've ever had. Posted by: IrishEi at December 06, 2025 07:33 PM (3ImbR) 141
I was new to their family, so I got the job of cleaning it out. Nobody else wanted to, since you never know what kind of stuff that belongs to a family member has memories that matter attached to it.
Posted by: Don in SoCo When the old lady next to me died (old man nice but passed years before) I had to check out the estate sale. Almost nothing of value. She purged all the man stuff over the few years since he passed, all that was left was a dilapidated house full of china dolls. Before the estate sale they haul off two construction dumpsters full of the even more worthless garbage. Guy that bought the house as-js hauled off three more. People running the estate said the good stuff was sold on line weeks ago. But they have to have the home estate sale with the leftovers. After a couple hours they were basically telling everybody. "Make any offer and it is yours." Yup, all that shit I wasted money on is going to the dump when I die. Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 06, 2025 07:34 PM (/lPRQ) 142
Yeah, I am a scavenger. I don't prowl the curbsides, because I rarely see heaps of stuff. Used to routinely scavenge the metal pile and the tire pile at the local dump, until they banned scavenging. Once in a while, I will see something really worthwhile there, I will ask the attendant if I can snag it, and usually he's OK with it. On the tire pile, I will come in with some totally rotten tires, and frequently leave with one or two "rollers" to put under inoperable cars.
If I scrap something, I try to separate out the valuable metal scrap, and trash the worthless stuff. BTW, does anybody here know if scrap pot metal, (aka Zamak, or die-cast, or "white metal") can be melted down and cast into ingots, or something useful? Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 06, 2025 07:34 PM (npFr7) 143
130 Mrs fd absolutely does not get MST3K. I wonder sometimes if she gets me.
Posted by: fd at December 06, 2025 07:23 PM (vFG9F) She doesn't have to get your taste, so long as she gets you in all the right places, dear. Posted by: tcn in AK at December 06, 2025 07:36 PM (6Bc88) 144
Happy to see so many MST3K fans here. One of my favs, and a holiday tradition here.
Posted by: IrishEi at December 06, 2025 07:36 PM (3ImbR) 145
An after the sale 'garage sale had a large steel shed full of tools and 'metal'. I did buy anything , they priced it all like new.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at December 06, 2025 07:37 PM (z/7Ah) 146
The end of the school year in Madison WI is also known as "hippy Christmas." All the furniture and other items left on the curb are free to passers by. Makes for a damned mess of traffic downtown but nothing ends up in the landfill.
Posted by: tcn in AK at December 06, 2025 07:37 PM (6Bc88) 147
Wow Trumpy, you can do magic things!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 06, 2025 07:38 PM (pkeXY) Posted by: fd at December 06, 2025 07:40 PM (vFG9F) 149
Son and Daughter-in-law moved to rural Wyoming. One of visits i asked them why they save so much stuff, mostly pieces and scraps of stuff. He told me we live rural and you save everything you can, you never know when you'll need it. We moved here and he is right. Our landfill is actually fun to visit. They have different places for specific stuff, wood, metal, electronics, etc. People "shop" there first before going to stores. It's fun and saves people money. Posted by: fourseasons at December 06, 2025 07:40 PM (3ek7K) 150
tcn, did you feel the earthquake?
Posted by: fd at December 06, 2025 07:41 PM (vFG9F) 151
Drill bits. For the zombie times.
Posted by: Eromero at December 06, 2025 07:41 PM (LHPAg) 152
135 I want to get the Torgo theme music for my phone.
Posted by: Pug Mahon Knows Stuff at December 06, 2025 07:28 PM (0aYVJ) --- Here is 10 hours of it. Enjoy and Merry Christmas! https://tinyurl.com/485nut25 Posted by: BarelyScaryMary at December 06, 2025 07:42 PM (6p0Jv) 153
Drill bits. For the zombie times.
Posted by: Eromero at December 06, 2025 07:41 PM (LHPAg) Good cross bow bolts. Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 06, 2025 07:42 PM (snZF9) 154
One person's junk is another person's treasure.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 06, 2025 07:42 PM (sDNVV) 155
Happy to see so many MST3K fans here. One of my favs, and a holiday tradition here.
Posted by: IrishEi at December 06, 2025 07:36 PM (3ImbR) Rifftrax does a Yule Log episode, featuring Kevin's fireplace, a little TV and a speaker. the interrupt the fir to play snippets of numerous Christmas themed shorts. You can find that on Pluto TV. Posted by: Pug Mahon Knows Stuff at December 06, 2025 07:46 PM (0aYVJ) 156
TUBI has mst3k.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 06, 2025 07:49 PM (pkeXY) 157
BTW, does anybody here know if scrap pot metal, (aka Zamak, or die-cast, or "white metal") can be melted down and cast into ingots, or something useful?
_-_ Never tried, but seems like you could do that and wax-cast it into something...jacks....the legos of the 20th century (for your bare feet). Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2025 07:52 PM (vd6bO) 158
Solar flare mentioned earlier is starting to cause some excitement.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2025 07:53 PM (vd6bO) 159
My brother works at a landfill in NC. He is amazed how much good stuff people bring in. He's a good Ole country boy who will talk to any9ne so he always asks people why they are trashing stuff. The main reason is people are cleaning out relatives houses and they don't want the hassle of trying to sell the stuff. One young couple had boxes of antique toys. He loaded them in his truck and auctioned them off for hundreds of dollars. Wrought iron outside furniture is another frequently dumped item. He has sold a lot of that also. Posted by: fourseasons at December 06, 2025 07:54 PM (3ek7K) 160
TRex, thank you for another great hobby thread
Posted by: Ben Had at December 06, 2025 07:54 PM (sDNVV) Ace of Spaces Pet Thread, December 6![]() Courtesy Jack Jackson
![]() ![]() 16 year old Spot from the desk of "THE LORD PROTECTOR" the BIG "T"Spot looks like a lovely, healthy kitty! And still a hunter? ![]() ![]() ![]() This is Tillie my 14 yr old Dachshund/Mix that went to heaven on Nov 24th. I had rescued her back in 2011 after losing my beloved Chou/Mix Sierra quite unexpectedly. Sierra had been my angel and her sudden loss had left a huge hole in my heart. Tillie was only 10 months old when I adopted her and she quickly healed my heart. She was just a few months shy of her 15th birthday when she passed. Over the years she was quite a handful sometimes but I'd do it all over again just to have her back. She was around 1-2 yrs old in the first two photos and about 2-3 yrs old in the third photo. The second photo is her waiting for the squirrels to come down the trees (she loved chasing squirrels). Wish to remain a lurker. Thank you and keep up the great work.Tillie looks like a wonderful dog. So sorry that you have lost her, and also Sierra. The "waiting for squirrels" photo is endearing. Stay in touch. ![]() ![]() You asked about pet shelters. This is a small shed in the backyard I transformed into a stray cat shelter. I looked up instructions and followed them. Raised up off the ground. An ingress large enough for entry, but small enough to keep out the elements. Insulated with straw bales. It is shown with Sakura, who is the current stray yard khet. She isn't sold on it. And my hope is by feeding her near it, she will come to see it as a place to get out of the cold. Victor Tango KiloSakura may be a stray, but she's a pet. A lovely one. Encountered by Members of The Horde ![]() Parakeets taking a bath this morning on Broadway in Garland Texas! EromeroWere they noisy? ![]() Thank you for sharing your pets and animal photos and stories with us today. If you would like to send pet and/or animal stories, links, etc. for the Ace of Spades Pet Thread, the address is:Until next Saturday, have a great week! If you start feeling nostalgic, here a link to last week's Pet Thread, the Ace of Spades Pet Thread, November 29 I closed the comments on that post so you wouldn't get banned for commenting on a week-old post, but don't try it anyway. Comments(Jump to bottom of comments)1
Amazing Horde Pets as always. I love them all.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 06, 2025 03:34 PM (ESVrU) 2
Petz!
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at December 06, 2025 03:36 PM (Kt19C) 3
Afternoon, Pet Folken. Sakura looks like a longhaired beauty -- and regular food and keeping out of the weather will enhance her health.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 06, 2025 03:37 PM (wzUl9) 4
Happy Caturday everyone
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 03:42 PM (Ia/+0) 5
Paisley and I are settling into our new bachelor suite. It has a big window looking out onto the street. Paisley likes to sit on the bed, look out the window and bark at random shit.
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at December 06, 2025 03:43 PM (8CIFn) 6
Lassie introduced the concept of "series reboots" to TV. Think about it. First there was Jeff Miller (Tommy Rettig), his mother (played in the first season by Cloris Leachman), and Gramps on their small farm. Then came Timmy Martin and his parents, his mother played by June Lockhart. Then came forest Ranger Corey Bray, a bachelor. There may have been another before the show was canceled in the late Sixties or early Seventies. Each time, Lassie continued, but her environment changed.
It's possible -- I don't remember -- but Timmy may have been shown actually passing Lassie on to ranger Bray when that reboot happened. And I've read that Timmy was never caught in a well in any episode. Jeff might have been, but somebody else will have to answer that. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 06, 2025 03:44 PM (wzUl9) 7
Big black Stirling is sleeping atop the back of the couch, on a blanket folded there for humans to use. Little gray Dagny is curled on my bed between the pillows, where she napped with me just now.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 06, 2025 03:45 PM (wzUl9) 8
Too bad I can't figure out a way to share the short video I got of the visiting possum. It's large!
Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 06, 2025 03:45 PM (+mUZM) 9
Love the pets. Lurker, condolences on the loss of Tillie and Sierra.
Posted by: BarelyScaryMary at December 06, 2025 03:47 PM (6p0Jv) 10
Hi guys,
I have updated our cat blog https://tinyurl.com/4k65zjkx I'm sorry to the lurker who lost Tillie. Sakura is quite a beautiful cat. I hope she stays safe. Spot is cute and I hope he keeps going for a lot more years. I do feel for that poor squirrel though. Posted by: Joyenz at December 06, 2025 03:48 PM (2F0/Y) 11
Petzzzzz
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 06, 2025 03:49 PM (6U1c2) 12
Afternoon, everyone. Just waiting for some ground beef to defrost so I can make meatloaf. My two pups are napping right now, but they'll be happy and awake once they smell the cooking.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at December 06, 2025 03:49 PM (ufSfZ) 13
Doggeh has such a sensitive tummy
Today is a bad poo day Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 06, 2025 03:49 PM (6U1c2) 14
I will stick to pure breed dogs from now on. At least I know what I'm getting into. I also need to stick to under 30-25 lbs.
Posted by: lin-duh at December 06, 2025 03:51 PM (VCgbV) 15
Tommy Rettig was later a software guy if memory serves. I dimly recall using a book of his when I was first learning dBASE.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at December 06, 2025 03:52 PM (q3u5l) 16
I got up from my desk to go check on Penny because I thought she was napping in my bedroom.
Turns out she's been sitting next to me at my desk this entire time. She's laying on a black towel, so she sort of blends into the background (she's a black kitty). I need to get my eyes checked again. Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 06, 2025 03:54 PM (ESVrU) 17
Meow!
Some sad news. My co-workers cat had to be put down last night. Poor kittuh had a stroke and was blind and couldn't walk. Also, it had diabetes. An older cat. Still, very sad. I can't recall the kittuh's name but kittuh's staff member's name is Geoff. He's pretty shook up, even though he new this was coming at some point. Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at December 06, 2025 03:55 PM (sAmhv) 18
Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at December 06, 2025 03:55 PM (sAmhv)
Poor kitty. Give our condolences to Geoff. Posted by: Joyenz at December 06, 2025 03:57 PM (2F0/Y) 19
Condolences to coworker Geoff. Always tough to lose a pet.
Posted by: BarelyScaryMary at December 06, 2025 03:58 PM (6p0Jv) 20
Poor cat. At least it's not in pain anymore.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at December 06, 2025 04:00 PM (ufSfZ) 21
Riddles hubby sent (answers are all breeds of dogs) and I need help with these 3:
1 - would sound like a musical instrument if you changed the first vowel sound from long E to long U? 2 - contains somewhere within it the consecutive letters -CHSH-? 3 - is an anagram of SOMEDAY? Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 06, 2025 04:01 PM (GhIJO) 22
The parakeets (Mrs.E says they’re Monks) were on a rest stop headed south. Bucky’s is a lot louder.
Posted by: Eromero at December 06, 2025 04:03 PM (pS4Fh) 23
And thanks, KT!
Posted by: Eromero at December 06, 2025 04:03 PM (pS4Fh) 24
Too bad about the squirrel. Is it playing possum?
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at December 06, 2025 04:04 PM (w6S0H) Posted by: NR Pax at December 06, 2025 04:06 PM (7xrfc) 26
Number 3 is Samoyed
Posted by: Ben Had at December 06, 2025 04:07 PM (sDNVV) 27
(That was for #3.)
#2: Dachshund Posted by: NR Pax at December 06, 2025 04:07 PM (7xrfc) 28
Heck, the cat PUSHED Timmy into the well.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 06, 2025 04:08 PM (kpS4V) 29
Dachshund
Posted by: Ben Had at December 06, 2025 04:09 PM (sDNVV) 30
Greetings one and all. So over here, my boy Kroger is on restriction. He got a strain that was so bad, he can't walk very well. At least the vet told us that this was not osteo so we took some relief from that. But he's a bit annoyed that he's not allowed to jump around like he wants to.
Posted by: NR Pax at December 06, 2025 04:09 PM (7xrfc) 31
#1: Beagle
Posted by: NR Pax at December 06, 2025 04:11 PM (7xrfc) 32
Lily is mrrping and trilling for me to deploy the feather toy. I'm basically here to feed and entertain my feline overlord(-lady).
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 06, 2025 04:11 PM (kpS4V) 33
Victor Tango Kilo, you are so thoughtful to provide shelter for stray kitties.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 06, 2025 04:12 PM (kpS4V) 34
Jan Clayton was Tommy Rettig's mother. Cloris Leachman was Timmy's first adoptive mother to be replaced by June Lockhart after one season.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 06, 2025 04:19 PM (pkeXY) 35
Tommy Rettig was later a software guy if memory serves. I dimly recall using a book of his when I was first learning dBASE.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at December 06, 2025 *** That's right -- when the acting gigs dried up, as they so often do for child actors, he reinvented himself. I understand he was very much attached to the Lassie he worked with on the show. I'd like to think he adopted a collie of his own later. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 06, 2025 04:20 PM (wzUl9) 36
Jan Clayton was Tommy Rettig's mother. Cloris Leachman was Timmy's first adoptive mother to be replaced by June Lockhart after one season.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 06, 2025 *** Oh, so Cloris came later? I was confused. Whitman's series of "TV adventures for young readers" had at least two Jeff & Lassie novels, and two Timmy & Lassie ones. I had and read them all. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 06, 2025 04:22 PM (wzUl9) 37
Heck, the cat PUSHED Timmy into the well.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 06, 2025 *** Just to see him splash! Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 06, 2025 04:23 PM (wzUl9) 38
>>>One minute I'm telling my dog, "no, you can't have my bacon." Then he makes this face and I'm making him an omelette to go with it.
Ha ha! I had to leave my cat (The World's Most Beautiful Cat) with an uncatted relative once, and as I was explaining cat things face-to-face, and the cat was purring happily on my lap, the relative said, "Ew. Do you let it sit on you?" And my heart sank, and yet we continued, and my cat was rapidly winning over the relative, and within hours the relative said, "Do you think [cat's name] would like some warm milk?" Posted by: m at December 06, 2025 04:23 PM (RuTUS) 39
>>>waiting for the squirrels to come down the trees
Catching a glimpse of St. Francis at the base of the tree! Posted by: m at December 06, 2025 04:27 PM (RuTUS) 40
Puddleglum, I'm sorry to hear about your co-worker's feline friend. That's the tragedy, that we know their time will be shorter than ours, and they don't -- and we do our best to make that time a happy one.
If I were there, I'd tell your co-worker (though maybe not right away) to remember his buddy as he was, to honor him. Any whitewashing of his memory ("He was *always* a good cat! He never did anything wrong!") would be a disservice to him. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 06, 2025 04:27 PM (wzUl9) 41
I had to leave my cat (The World's Most Beautiful Cat) with an uncatted relative once, and as I was explaining cat things face-to-face, and the cat was purring happily on my lap, the relative said, "Ew. Do you let it sit on you?" And my heart sank, and yet we continued, and my cat was rapidly winning over the relative, and within hours the relative said, "Do you think [cat's name] would like some warm milk?"
Posted by: m at December 06, 2025 *** I'v always said that Marie-Antoinette the smart black cat would have converted a cat hater. Big Arizona or Wolf? Probably not. Little Dagny might manage it. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 06, 2025 04:30 PM (wzUl9) Posted by: m at December 06, 2025 04:33 PM (RuTUS) 43
Our tortie cat charmed a family member who claims to not enjoy animals. Cat just jumped up in the lap of person and dared them to protest. Family member was actually pleased and giggling.. In a contest of strong-willed females, the cat wins.
Posted by: BarelyScaryMary at December 06, 2025 04:35 PM (6p0Jv) 44
Thanks so much for the many threads, K.T.!
Posted by: m at December 06, 2025 04:35 PM (RuTUS) 45
43 Our tortie cat charmed a family member who claims to not enjoy animals. Cat just jumped up in the lap of person and dared them to protest. Family member was actually pleased and giggling.. In a contest of strong-willed females, the cat wins.
Posted by: BarelyScaryMary at December 06, 2025 04:35 PM (6p0Jv) In my case, they were both females of their species, too! Posted by: m at December 06, 2025 04:41 PM (RuTUS) 46
Was the young Cloris Leachman a cutie?
The immortal words of June Lockhart are "Who do I have to fuck to get off this show?" Posted by: no one at December 06, 2025 04:44 PM (W7XSX) 47
46 The immortal words of June Lockhart are "Who do I have to fuck to get off this show?"
Posted by: no one at December 06, 2025 04:44 PM (W7XSX) !!! Posted by: m at December 06, 2025 04:47 PM (RuTUS) 48
Lost in Space. Irwin Allen had a scene where June and the others were violently tossed is boat on body of water on a strange planet. It was so violent that June was battered and bruised.
Hence, the comment. Posted by: no one at December 06, 2025 04:49 PM (W7XSX) 49
The immortal words of June Lockhart are "Who do I have to fuck to get off this show?"
Posted by: no one ---- And I thought it was spicy when Barbara Billingsley spoke jive in Airplane! Those TV moms had potty mouths. Posted by: BarelyScaryMary at December 06, 2025 04:51 PM (6p0Jv) 50
Julie Andrews cursed like a sailor.
Posted by: no one at December 06, 2025 04:53 PM (W7XSX) Posted by: no one at December 06, 2025 04:54 PM (W7XSX) 52
young raccoons are so stinking cute. But then they grow up and become destructive trash pandas.
Posted by: PaleRider at December 06, 2025 05:00 PM (hhkIi) 53
A few times a week, my lawn gets a visit by a flock of white ibises like the one's pictured here:
http://tiny.cc/hn3w001 Posted by: Joe Kidd at December 06, 2025 05:03 PM (nbLIj) 54
We have a communal nest of 4 monk parakeets near our house in Queens. They chose a transformer box. The city seems to leave them alone as the nest has been there for years.
Feral monk parakeets are common. Posted by: Accomack at December 06, 2025 05:04 PM (8jVAy) 55
My old bloodhound-ish doggeh loved/hated young raccoons. Or old. He did not discriminate. We have memories of him front paws on tree and baying that bay.
Posted by: BarelyScaryMary at December 06, 2025 05:06 PM (6p0Jv) 56
CME headed our way? 20:39 UTC? Only a couple of places reporting it. Fake?
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2025 05:09 PM (vd6bO) 57
We have a communal nest of 4 monk parakeets near our house in Queens. They chose a transformer box. The city seems to leave them alone as the nest has been there for years.
Feral monk parakeets are common. Posted by: Accomack at December 06, 2025 05:04 PM (8jVAy) Kentucky Fried Chicken > Queens Fried Parakeet.. Posted by: Joe Kidd at December 06, 2025 05:09 PM (nbLIj) 58
I've heard of those parakeet colonies in TX. They seem to be a city/suburb thing. Have never seen or heard one out in the sticks.
Posted by: BarelyScaryMary at December 06, 2025 05:12 PM (6p0Jv) 59
My husband never had pets as a child. Our first pet was a male bouvier--120 pounds of dog. My mother-in-law couldn't understand why we bothered.
But she went from that to saying, "Water? That's all you give him?" to sneaking him pieces of her world-famous pizza when she thought we weren't looking. Posted by: Wenda at December 06, 2025 05:12 PM (PkCdJ) 60
Julie Andrews cursed like a sailor.
Posted by: no one at December 06, 2025 04:53 PM (W7XSX) --- Now I'm picturing the von Trapp family singing bawdy sea shanties. Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 06, 2025 05:16 PM (ESVrU) 61
Clearly he was a coonhound Mary. Which brings back memories of listening to Jerry Clower tapes.
Posted by: PaleRider at December 06, 2025 05:16 PM (hhkIi) 62
Clearly he was a coonhound Mary. Which brings back memories of listening to Jerry Clower tapes.
Posted by: PaleRider --- Yep! A Bloodhound/Treeing Walker coonhound mix. I need to send pics for this thread. I haven't had the heart to yet. LOL on the Jerry Clower. Dad listened to him a lot. He was funny. Posted by: BarelyScaryMary at December 06, 2025 05:20 PM (6p0Jv) 63
Parakeets are considered a major ag crop pest and are generally hunted down.
City folk really want to live in a diorama. Posted by: Accomack at December 06, 2025 05:22 PM (8jVAy) 64
I had no idea parakeets could survive in the wild, let alone do well enough to become a crop pest.
Posted by: PaleRider at December 06, 2025 05:24 PM (hhkIi) 65
I had no idea parakeets could survive in the wild, let alone do well enough to become a crop pest. Posted by: PaleRider I've never seen one outside of a cage. Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 06, 2025 05:36 PM (pkeXY) 66
59 My husband never had pets as a child. Our first pet was a male bouvier--120 pounds of dog. My mother-in-law couldn't understand why we bothered.
But she went from that to saying, "Water? That's all you give him?" to sneaking him pieces of her world-famous pizza when she thought we weren't looking. Posted by: Wenda at December 06, 2025 05:12 PM (PkCdJ) ; ) Posted by: m at December 06, 2025 05:44 PM (RuTUS) 67
Thank you, smart Morons!
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 06, 2025 05:44 PM (gDlxJ) 68
Like most invasive pests, parakeets probably have no natural predators.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 06, 2025 05:48 PM (zZu0s) 69
67 They're fun, vmom!
Thank you, smart Morons! Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 06, 2025 05:44 PM (gDlxJ) 21 Riddles hubby sent (answers are all breeds of dogs) and I need help with these 3: 1 - would sound like a musical instrument if you changed the first vowel sound from long E to long U? 2 - contains somewhere within it the consecutive letters -CHSH-? 3 - is an anagram of SOMEDAY? Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 06, 2025 04:01 PM (GhIJO) Posted by: m at December 06, 2025 05:48 PM (RuTUS) Posted by: m at December 06, 2025 05:54 PM (RuTUS) 71
Tillie was quite a beautiful animal. I’m glad you had so many good years with her. I love the picture of Tillie in your backyard! Such a charming oasis I hope you still live there. Wherever you are, the Lord goes with you.
Posted by: BarcelonaCarmen at December 06, 2025 06:46 PM (S3aD9) Gardening, Home and Nature Thread, Dec. 6![]() Not a lot happening hee in the chilly DMV but I do have two spots of color. My Encore Azalea has not disappointed. Not a lot of blossoms but it's been in the thirties and I am still getting new buds and blossoms. Edible Gardening/Putting Things By More from 58Mikie! (remember our special feature two weeks ago?) Consumption of Hazelnuts is very healthy....high in folic acid for pregnant women, second highest nut in mono-unsaturated oil. The nut is high in oil but the good oil, (like an avocado or olive oil) which really does help reduce cholesterol. Please see photos attached. The book is really good for Hazelnut recipes...tough to scan the pages on my scanner, but it is available on Amazon and I saw there was a listing for a "very good" used edition for $ 1.99....the Hazelnut salad recipe with broccoli is very good...once roasted Hazelnuts can be made into "butter" with a nut grinder like in stores or I think a Cuisinart type device.
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If you would like to send photos, stories, links, etc. for the Saturday Gardening Thread, the address is: ktinthegarden at g mail dot com Remember to include the nic or name by which you wish to be known at AoSHQ, or let us know if you want to remain a lurker. In addition to other updates, The famous Pat* and her husband have a row of Blue Spruce big enough for Christmas trees. Ahyone else? I closed the comments on that post so you wouldn't get banned for commenting on a week-old post, but don't try it anyway. Comments(Jump to bottom of comments)1
Good afternoon Greenthumbs
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 01:36 PM (Ia/+0) 2
https://tinyurl.com/yc6fp6a3
This is a picture of the Christmas grave wreaths a few of us made this year. It's a yearly tradition in the family to make wreaths for passed family members. It's only 4 of us now but hopefully will continue for years to come. Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 01:42 PM (Ia/+0) 3
lovely photos as usual! My Christmas Cactus is blooming as well, had a photo of it posted here last year. Looked some stuff up and learned that their blooming date is set by a steady progression of diminishing hours of sunlight; so gardeners who are on top of things can manipulate the light so that they bloom at a very specific time.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 06, 2025 01:42 PM (uWKK8) 4
Also, as of yesterday, though had many cold mornings and frost and snow, the Anaheim peppers plants in my mini greenhouse are still growing, not doing anything else but amazed cold hasn't killed them yet.
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 01:43 PM (Ia/+0) 5
You can get oil out of hazelnuts too. All it takes is a Corona grain mill.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 06, 2025 01:47 PM (+mUZM) 6
I just picked up a white bloomed Christmas cactus yesterday. Today, I decided to deal with my oldest plant. It was still in the original pot. I'd put it on top of another pot, with a planted bulb, and the roots grew down into it. I managed to cut away the old pot and flipped some potting soil into my eye doing it. Got my eye cleared out but may have to move the plant to a bigger pot.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 06, 2025 02:00 PM (+mUZM) 7
I have a small polyantha rose, "Verdun", that put out a few flowers just before this last cold spell. They're a bright pink/mauve color, and really stand out now that everything else is gone!
Posted by: Lirio100 at December 06, 2025 02:01 PM (ky7/T) 8
Skip, the Christmas wreaths are lovely! Each one is unique, but they are all beautiful.
Posted by: Emmie -- be strong and courageous! at December 06, 2025 02:01 PM (FMtrg) 9
Wacky computer stuff today. Sorry.
Posted by: KT at December 06, 2025 02:06 PM (7vIsy) 10
We're licking our wounds from the last summer, and planning next year's garden.
Only the peppers thrived. We have enough ancho, smoked and regular paprika, chipotle, and green chili that we don't need any but fresh peppers next year. We're deficient in tomato products. Sweet tates did fine. Butternut did fine. Should be peak asparagus next spring, Posted by: MkY at December 06, 2025 02:08 PM (q6tQZ) 11
More on hazelnut in the wings for next week. Got any recipes of your own?
Posted by: KT at December 06, 2025 02:17 PM (7vIsy) 12
Afternoon everybody
Happy to report that my Encore Azalea survived the snow yesterday. The terrace today looks like it never happened. There are pansies everywhere in the planters scattered all over Bethesda covered with snow. I always wonder how they survive an entire winter. Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 06, 2025 02:20 PM (t/2Uw) 13
When I first looked at that salad, I thought it was a bowl of tomatoe soup. Favorite winter meal: tomato soup with croutons( has to have croutons) and a grilled cheese sandwich on sour dough.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 06, 2025 02:23 PM (t/2Uw) 14
Deez nutz roasting on an open fire...
Posted by: Not quite Nat King Cole at December 06, 2025 02:24 PM (TbWk/) 15
Speaking of Baker Creek, just ordered a couple new varieties of maters: Black Strawberry (thanks Miley), Chocolate Miracle, and Alice's Dream.
Also pink celery and black carrots. I like the oddballs. Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 06, 2025 02:25 PM (kpS4V) 16
Hope this growing season is better than last year's. Too much fluctuation in temps and precipitation.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 06, 2025 02:28 PM (kpS4V) 17
And by last year, I meant this year.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 06, 2025 02:28 PM (kpS4V) 18
Maryland has such weird weather. Out west it's basically Pennsylvania, but out east you can have mild winters or killer ice storms. And Japanese beetles are a crapshoot.
Thank goodness the summer stinkbug swarms and river floods are dependable. Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 06, 2025 02:32 PM (kpS4V) 19
I have a Christmas cactus that isn't doing too well although the other one is growing. Thought I would propagate from the poorer one with leaf cuttings. Anyone tried this and how did it do?
Posted by: JTB at December 06, 2025 02:33 PM (yTvNw) 20
From Boise area: lows 21-36 F, highs 39-45. Some rain.
We bottled a 3rd batch of cider - just four 6-packs per batch, as we're doing many trial batches to see what we like best. We finished shredding leaves from our huge silver maple. I raked leaves out of the front drainage ditches. We cut the leaves off some of the Siberian Irises. I went to a ladies' "Favorite Things" exchange last night - bring four of something (under $10), display it all, ladies take numbers - first and third rounds in numerical order, second and fourth rounds in reverse order, one pick per round. Everyone takes home four things. Among my loot is an amaryllis bulb, so I'll be looking forward to watching it grow. Posted by: Pat* at December 06, 2025 02:34 PM (tiz3J) 21
Pat* what sort of changes are you doing to your cider? Different mixes of apples, or different yeast?
Posted by: Kindltot at December 06, 2025 02:38 PM (rbvCR) 22
That video of the time lapse mushrooms is fascinating. So much variety and such weird shapes. A few made me think of something from a Lovecraft story. No wonder Beatrix Potter used mushrooms in so many of her botanical drawings.
Posted by: JTB at December 06, 2025 02:39 PM (yTvNw) 23
My task for today is to chop up a sweet-meat Hubbard squash so I can blanche and freeze it. This is the big one that grew almost unnoticed in one of the tomato cages.
Sweet Meats are grey and pretty tough, so I have developed the technique of taking them down to manageable sizes in the back yard with a machete. Inelegant, but effective. I am always worried about slipping when I am cutting squash apart with a knife, the durned things tend to twist and slither away. Posted by: Kindltot at December 06, 2025 02:44 PM (rbvCR) 24
you propagate Christmas cactus by taking those leaf segments and plant them in dirt, and keep them warmish and moist. My wife does this all the time, and my Mom used to do it too.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 06, 2025 02:48 PM (rbvCR) 25
KT, since terra preta came up in the thread below, does anyone have any information on using charcoal in their gardens?
Posted by: Kindltot at December 06, 2025 02:49 PM (rbvCR) 26
Just went out and planted some garlic in an old container in the back yard. Lousy potatoes from it a couple of years ago. Rainy, 40°, a little snow expected.
We'll look again in the RI spring when it comes. Posted by: From about That Time at December 06, 2025 02:49 PM (sl73Y) 27
I have a Christmas cactus that isn't doing too well although the other one is growing. Thought I would propagate from the poorer one with leaf cuttings. Anyone tried this and how did it do?
Posted by: JTB ------- Never done it, myself. Good luck! "The Spruce" has some info: tinyurl.com/s85yrx8c Posted by: JQ at December 06, 2025 02:49 PM (rdVOm) 28
24 ... Kindltot,
Thanks. I figured that would be the case but never tried it with Christmas cacti. Posted by: JTB at December 06, 2025 02:52 PM (yTvNw) 29
Bought a plant light to try for indoor plants but experiment isn't working too well
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 02:53 PM (Ia/+0) 30
27 ... Thanks to JQ as well about the Christmas Cactus. Think I'll try both ways.
Posted by: JTB at December 06, 2025 02:56 PM (yTvNw) 31
I have a hanging ivy plant of some kind in the den, been doing fine for 25+ years. But its hung seven feet up, i reach to water from an old tea pot, and it has never been repotted.
What the hell does the root ball look like. Andcould, should anything ever be done. Shoots go out fifteen feet and I just tuck thenm around the curtain rods with the others when they hang to low and start entering the printer. And why do they always do that? Posted by: From about That Time at December 06, 2025 02:58 PM (sl73Y) 32
Picked up my Poinsettias today, and should you see them, you would ask why the heck there are orange peels sitting on top of the soil of each.
My cat would explain, "Because he's a bastard and doesn't want me vomiting all over the house." Posted by: Orson at December 06, 2025 03:00 PM (dIske) 33
29 Bought a plant light to try for indoor plants but experiment isn't working too well
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 02:53 PM (Ia/+0) __________________________ Find a stoner and get some tips. Posted by: Orson at December 06, 2025 03:02 PM (dIske) 34
Thanks for the Christmas cactus reminder. I promised my granddaughters a plant. I know I've taken cuttings and done this but it's been a while.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 06, 2025 03:05 PM (t/2Uw) 35
Orson was thinking same thing.
I think you need like 500 of them Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 03:07 PM (Ia/+0) 36
I do know, if the Christmas cactus gets too dry, it will drop leaves, which put out roots if it hits soil. Should be easy to get a start.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 06, 2025 03:20 PM (+mUZM) 37
I did notice that the garlic I planted is growing! I can see growth peaking through the straw.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 06, 2025 03:21 PM (+mUZM) 38
18 degrees out there today, but in the midst of a wind storm. So far the peak is only 26 mph, but it is making Ruby nervous so she's been pacing since about 5 a.m. Broke one of the flag posts clean off, and we had to deflate our giant Christmas decorations outside. A real tragedy.
Meanwhile, the orange and lemon trees I bought are now about 2 feet tall, loving the heat from the TOYO. They didn't do much in the greenhouse this summer. Maybe they are just indoor plants. I consider them a bit of a lark. Doubt I will ever get them to fruit up here. Posted by: tcn in AK at December 06, 2025 03:34 PM (6Bc88) 39
@Kindltot #21 Pat* asked me to answer since I'm the brewmaster.
We are varying both yeast and apple mix, plus some other experiments: Three different yeasts: MA33 (our usual), Windsor, and Nottingham (both usually for ales) using same apples Two different apple mixes - both using our usual Golden Delicious base but mixing in different tart/sour apples - Jonathan vs. Golden Russet A few experiments to come, mixing various adjuncts with small batches of our 'original recipe': holiday spice, pear juice, Nelson Sauvin hops, maybe some raspberry syrup. And a small batch spiked with sugar to get to 11% ABV, and current aging in a small ex-bourbon cask. There's still four gallons stashed in the freezer, but I'm out of my mixing apples so those may stay there until next year since the trees usually have an off year after bearing so heavily. Posted by: Pat*'s Hubbie at December 06, 2025 06:18 PM (tiz3J) Why THIS Story NOW?![]() Burns’ latest PBS six-episode documentary, The American Revolution, explores the founding of the United States and the subsequent war with the British Empire. It could have been an excellent start to the upcoming celebration of America’s 250th anniversary of the founding, but sadly, it steers away from celebration and emphasizes both explicit and implicit criticism of the Founders. Within the first five minutes of the first episode, we are told that the Founders (specifically Benjamin Franklin) used the Iroquois “flourishing democracy” as a blueprint for the United States Constitution. The evidence, however, is sparse, if non-existent, in the documentary. Franklin frequently commented on the lives of Native Americans, but we have to be careful how we evaluate Franklin’s words on the subject. He was famously satirical, whether he spoke about the British, Americans, or Indians. In a letter to James Parker, dated 20 March 1751, Franklin writes, It would be a very strange Thing, if six Nations of ignorant Savages should be capable of forming a Scheme for such an Union, and be able to execute it in such a Manner, as that it has subsisted Ages, and appears indissoluble; and yet that a like Union should be impracticable for ten or a Dozen English Colonies, to whom it is more necessary, and must be more advantageous; and who cannot be supposed to want an equal Understanding of their Interests.Concerning Benjamin Franklin and satire, I just read somewhere that the Founders didn't allow Franklin to write the Declaration of Independence because they thought he might include a joke in it somewhere. Concerning Ken Burns, we do not need another oppressor-oppressed dialectic at this time. After watching the entire series, Burns’ objective is to claim that principles played no role in the founding of the United States. Rather, it was based on low self-interest. But this creates a contradiction for Burns and his co-directors. One does not speak of liberty and yearning for it unless one has experienced tyranny. Tyranny creates destructive conditions for an individual, be it existentially, economically, or politically. As historian Bernard Bailyn says in the documentary, the creation of the United States is about the “struggles between the possibilities of power and liberty.” It still is. It would have behooved the filmmakers to include a few philosophical points about what the American mind truly is. And why the Americans have loved liberty and limited power.Got any better ideas for recognizing the American Revolution as an important anniversary approaches? Compare to the principles made clear in Sullivan Ballou's letter from the Ken Burns Civil War epic. There are versions of the letter floating around in which the part of Sullivan Ballou's letter to his wife concerning the future growth of their sons into "honorable manhood" has been removed. Could not upset The Left with a reference to "Manhood" once "gender" became an issue. Watch on YouTube
So, when and why did this really become a national issue?
The FBI apprehended the J6 pipe bomber, something the Biden FBI had somehow been unable to do. Weirdly, he turned out to be a left-wing extremist. The The FBI apprehended the J6 pipe bomber, something the Biden FBI had somehow been unable to do. Weirdly, he turned out to be a left-wing extremist. The Democrats chose their latest cause: standing up for Venezuela’s narco-terrorist regime. They advanced a novel “legal” theory, that it is perfectly OK to kill drug dealers in the Caribbean by blowing up their boat, but only if you do it in a single explosion. Makes perfect sense, just like how we fought World War II. But the biggest story of the week was corruption in Minnesota–billions stolen from taxpayers, mostly by Somalis, under the somnolent eye of Governor Tim Walz. Actually, that was the big story of 2022, but better late than never. We welcome the national press to the fray, and have participated enthusiastically in their reprise of the stories we have been writing for years. ![]() Largo, Second Movement Comments(Jump to bottom of comments)1
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Posted by: alpine_beer at December 06, 2025 11:22 AM (van9r) 2
Unlike Burn's Civil War Documentary, I think only a relative handful of people are paying any attention to this one. Most likely due to the collapse in the numbers of those who tune in to PBS over the last couple of decades.
Oh, they'll still get all the Righteous and Faithful who will swear that it is Holy Doctrine, and they control the pages of the NYT - but not many people are really paying attention to them, either. Not anymore. Posted by: Tom Servo at December 06, 2025 11:26 AM (uWKK8) 3
After watching the entire series, Burns’ objective is to claim that principles played no role in the founding of the United States. Rather, it was based on low self-interest.
I was wondering if he would go all 1619 on us. He did. FOAD. Posted by: Archimedes at December 06, 2025 11:29 AM (Riz8t) 4
Good morning KT
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 11:33 AM (Ia/+0) 5
Got any better ideas for recognizing the American Revolution as an important anniversary approaches?
At the Bicentennial, there were a whole bunch of community cookbooks to celebrate it. Ill be releasing my own Sestercentennial Cookery (one TexasMoMe attendee got a one-off AOSHQ ashcan in October) in January. But what about a second AOSHQ cookbook, with not just heritage recipes but also Moronic history lessons and other revolutionary advice? Im thinking Junior Moron Guidebook; I think we have a lot of historical writers here on the HQ as well as other practical writers that might be able to contribute one-page or one-paragraph essays related to American history. Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 06, 2025 11:34 AM (EXyHK) 6
Question:
Who TF died and made Ken Burns the expert on US history? When I first heard he was going to 'do' the American Revolution, I could sense his deconstruction of it coming a mile away. Ken Burns is a sawed-off leftist prick, and we should pay him no mind. Posted by: Don Black at December 06, 2025 11:35 AM (ZxPkt) 7
Burns is obsessed with the nobility of the Black Man! He will do anything to tear down the institutions that he thinks enslaved him or kept him servile (baseball).
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 06, 2025 11:36 AM (GLocS) 8
This little charmer from a (claims to be Somalian) X account:
"...after close to a century of attacking Islam they’ve never been successful. Their plans to demonize and vilify Islam have never worked. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. --You can never defeat a people who only fear Allah.--" Pulling them off the gubmint tit won't be pretty...and that's just the politicians. Then comes the millions of newly arrived gimmegrants from sheitholes that hate us. Posted by: ju at December 06, 2025 11:36 AM (EgpoY) 9
I guess it's a good thing that PBS can't survive without taxpayer money, otherwise we'd all be paying for this.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 06, 2025 11:36 AM (Riz8t) 10
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 06, 2025 11:34 AM (EXyHK)
Nag Ace. We are all set and ready to go with a second edition, but would prefer his okay. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 06, 2025 11:37 AM (GLocS) 11
Ken Burns is, was and always will be an Ass Head.
Why anyone watches his anti-white, anti-American and anti-truth propaganda nonsense is beyond me. Posted by: Zombie Leni Riefenstahl at December 06, 2025 11:37 AM (R/m4+) 12
>>> Within the first five minutes of the first episode, we are told that the Founders (specifically Benjamin Franklin) used the Iroquois “flourishing democracy” as a blueprint for the United States Constitution. The evidence, however, is sparse, if non-existent, in the documentary.
Yes, Franklin only credits the Iroquois for inspiring the idea of banding together in a confederacy of shared interests. He has no western influences to draw on...like the Greeks or the Swiss. Nope, Indians only! It is to laugh. Ken Burns luckily has faded in relevancy. Who cares about him anymore? The only threat this documentary has is if it's shown in high schools to young skulls full of mush, who are too uneducated to be critical thinkers yet, and don't realize it's all bogus info. Thats where the danger happens. Posted by: LizLem at December 06, 2025 11:38 AM (gWBY1) 13
Ken Burns?
Isn't he the guy that played “Feels So Good” in '77? LOL - Well, that's who he looks like to me. Posted by: Tonypete at December 06, 2025 11:39 AM (cYBz/) Posted by: NYC Refugee Since 1988 at December 06, 2025 11:39 AM (oftw2) 15
What Key is Largo in?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 06, 2025 11:39 AM (pkeXY) 16
Does Burns still have that goofy haircut?
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at December 06, 2025 11:40 AM (L9Jmf) 17
Ken Burns is, was and always will be an Ass Head.
Why anyone watches his anti-white, anti-American and anti-truth propaganda nonsense is beyond me. He kind of restrained himself in The Civil War. That was before he was famous and could let his freak flag fly. Now, it's "I hate whitey". He blends right in at PBS. Posted by: Archimedes at December 06, 2025 11:40 AM (Riz8t) 18
Saw but a long trailer on Ken Burns Propaganda 6 part miniseries. But watched a couple hours of videos taking down Ken's Propaganda miniseries.
Actually best wasn't as much as taking apart as what Ken's Propaganda didn't say. The synopsis the video said was it was about the war, not the Revolution. Besides all the Propaganda filled war, was about nothing the Revolution was about. Nothing hardly on the Constitution they fought for, the Bill of Rights they fought for. Just a lot of what Ken wanted it to be for which wasn't historically correct. I might be able to find that video but can't be sure to find it. Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 11:41 AM (Ia/+0) 19
The only threat this documentary has is if it's shown in high schools to young skulls full of mush, . . .
Posted by: LizLem We need the likes of Professor Houseman once again. Posted by: Tonypete at December 06, 2025 11:41 AM (cYBz/) Posted by: Tonypete at December 06, 2025 11:42 AM (cYBz/) 21
Ken Burns lost his virginity to his mommy's black maid, who was then fired for stealing the silver.
He has felt guilty ever since! Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 06, 2025 11:42 AM (GLocS) 22
Ken Burns or Howard Zinn. What a choice!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 06, 2025 11:43 AM (pkeXY) 23
It will be interesting to contrast the upcoming "Young Washington" movie with Burns' agitprop.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 06, 2025 11:44 AM (Riz8t) 24
>>> But what about a second AOSHQ cookbook, with not just heritage recipes but also Moronic history lessons and other revolutionary advice?
That could be fun! I've made George Washington's favorite cornbread recipe and it's really good. Posted by: LizLem at December 06, 2025 11:45 AM (gWBY1) 25
Her Majesty and The Big Dummy have set off on their trip. I love my wife, but by the time she leaves I'm ready for her to be gone for three weeks. Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 06, 2025 11:46 AM (tgvbd) 26
Ken Burns is the Howard Zinn of PBS.
Posted by: no one at December 06, 2025 11:47 AM (W7XSX) 27
We need the likes of Professor Houseman once again. Posted by: Tonypete John Houseman reads the phone book: https://youtu.be/S_LA4gJeCio Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 06, 2025 11:49 AM (pkeXY) 28
https://tinyurl.com/2z2xv4rn
Bit as said think I did a good quick synopsis on his video Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 11:49 AM (Ia/+0) 29
There's speculation that the Somali fraud will approach much more than the $1 billion being reported.
More like $8 billion. Or more. And, yea, Walz and many MN state/federal politicos are in on it. Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 06, 2025 11:50 AM (NwnyJ) 30
My mom was surprised I wouldn't want to watch a nice history of the Revolution
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 11:50 AM (Ia/+0) 31
That could be fun! I've made George Washington's favorite cornbread recipe and it's really good.
Posted by: LizLem Doesn't dry, old cornbread stick to wooden teef? Posted by: Affordable Dentures, Inc. at December 06, 2025 11:52 AM (oftw2) 32
Reportedly, the cocaine street prices in Europe have gone up by a quarter to a third. This is hurting someone or someones bigly.
The Dutch navy has been patrolling the Dutch Antilles and waters off Suriname for 20 years, boarding and sinking the drug couriers, and have not been able to make this much of a dent in the supply. I have heard speculations that if the drug trade out of South America were ended, it might collapse some countries' economies Posted by: Kindltot at December 06, 2025 11:52 AM (rbvCR) 33
My mom was surprised I wouldn't want to watch a nice history of the Revolution
To which the correct response is "when they make one, I will". Posted by: Archimedes at December 06, 2025 11:53 AM (Riz8t) 34
Thing of State Fraud is the fraud is shoveled out by state bureaucracy who earns lots of salary and no doubt bonuses how much they can shovel out.
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 11:53 AM (Ia/+0) 35
we do not need another oppressor-oppressed dialectic at this time.
Oh, honey chile, that just shows how badly we need reeducation camps in this so-called country. Posted by: Jasmine C. from Dallas at December 06, 2025 11:53 AM (0sNs1) 36
That could be fun! I've made George Washington's favorite cornbread recipe and it's really good.
Im making Thomas Jeffersons beans & rice for tonight, and its making the house smell ridiculously good. Ill bet that cornbread would be great with it. Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 06, 2025 11:53 AM (EXyHK) 37
Ken Burns is the Howard Zinn of Herbert Marcuses.
Posted by: no one at December 06, 2025 11:53 AM (W7XSX) 38
If the gop cuts $1B spending they’re the worst monsters on earth.
Somalia steal $1B, what the big deal guys? Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 06, 2025 11:53 AM (wrRTB) 39
But the biggest story of the week was corruption in Minnesota–billions stolen from taxpayers, mostly by Somalis, under the somnolent eye of Governor Tim Walz.
Somalis are all over X explaining how wonderful Somalia is. It's just that they don't want to live there. And, of course, you have Minnesota AWFLs on X (who probably live in lily-white small towns) explaining what wonderful neighbors the Somalis are. Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 06, 2025 11:54 AM (xTIDn) 40
That could be fun! I've made George Washington's favorite cornbread recipe and it's really good.
I'd say you should try his rye whiskey, but I've had his rye whiskey. Bleccchhhh. Posted by: Archimedes at December 06, 2025 11:54 AM (Riz8t) 41
Ken Burns is the Howard Zinn of Herbert Marcuses.
Ken Burns is the Lloyd Christmas of Moe Howards. Posted by: Archimedes at December 06, 2025 11:55 AM (Riz8t) 42
Problem with Ken Burns is 20 or 30 years from now it will be THE truth. Like if you say it’s nonsense that Indians wrote the constitution people will say no it’s true, the great historian Ken Burns did a show on it and everything.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 06, 2025 11:56 AM (wrRTB) 43
To which the correct response is "when they make one, I will".
Allen Guelzos Americas Founding Fathers was quite good. I dont think its ever been aired on TV, though. Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 06, 2025 11:56 AM (EXyHK) 44
Could not upset The Left with a reference to "Manhood" once "gender" became an issue.
---- As a power lesbian, Ken Burns felt particularly targeted by such engorged speech. Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 06, 2025 11:56 AM (kpS4V) 45
Burns' Civil War completely ignored the religious revival that was happening at the same time. I finished an annotated diary and collected letters of an Illinois volunteer who was in the Army of the West, and he speaks regularly about camp meetings and church services.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 06, 2025 11:56 AM (rbvCR) 46
Allen Guelzo’s America’s Founding Fathers was quite good. I don’t think it’s ever been aired on TV, though.
Agreed, and I actually saw it, but can't remember where. Possibly Netflix? Posted by: Archimedes at December 06, 2025 11:57 AM (Riz8t) 47
Take out the Cat Ballou letter from his "The Civil War" series and Burns would have had have nothing special. He's a nullity who is flying above his clearance level. Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM} at December 06, 2025 11:57 AM (f0f+R) 48
Breaking News: Famous astronaut Katy Perry and distinguished Canadian political figure Justin Trudeau are now an official couple!
Posted by: AoSHQ Celebrity News Bureau and Rumour Centre at December 06, 2025 11:57 AM (0sNs1) 49
Take out the Cat Ballou letter from his "The Civil War" series and Burns would have had have nothing special.
He's a nullity who is flying above his clearance level. No, I don't agree with that. Between the music, Shelby Foote, and what was at the time a revolutionary way of presenting a documentary, it was quite good (IMHO). You could tell, though, that he had to fight the urge to make it all a polemic about the evil white man. Posted by: Archimedes at December 06, 2025 11:59 AM (Riz8t) 50
And, yea, Walz and many MN state/federal politicos are in on it. Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 06, 2025 11:50 AM (NwnyJ) ____________ My guess: this will not be pursued vigorously because nobody wants to know how bad and so widespread it really is. Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 06, 2025 12:01 PM (tgvbd) 51
Apparently many of the whistleblowers on MN's mega-corruption are in fact from state agencies, and much of the digging/reporting has been done by actual local journalists. For years.
It's actually a pretty stark (if redundant) illustration of how normal, good things and people still exist across the country, even in the worst-run places - but the de facto blackout on information by MSM and the indolence of Congress, supplemented by collaboration by key federal agencies (except during the black swan Trump periods), conceal such mega-scandals from most of the public. Posted by: rhomboid at December 06, 2025 12:02 PM (U/Byj) 52
If Somalia is so great when Trump deports their asses they should be delighted to return to the homeland. Right?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 06, 2025 12:02 PM (wrRTB) 53
I had a history teacher at UH who loved all the woke tropes, and this was the late 80's. So I heard that Iroquois Confederact thing. Also, Cleopatra was black, and other shite.
But, he was a very engaging speaker and did point out that the Aztecs were an imperialist power who engaged in a bit of cannibalism to boost the protein content of their food. It was a fun class if you already read a lot of history and took his words with a bag of salt. Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 06, 2025 12:04 PM (kpS4V) 54
12 >>> Within the first five minutes of the first episode, we are told that the Founders (specifically Benjamin Franklin) used the Iroquois “flourishing democracy” as a blueprint for the United States Constitution. The evidence, however, is sparse, if non-existent, in the documentary.
Yes, Franklin only credits the Iroquois for inspiring the idea of banding together in a confederacy of shared interests. He has no western influences to draw on...like the Greeks or the Swiss. Nope, Indians only! It is to laugh. Posted by: LizLem ======= Ben proposed a unified colonial structure to deal with the British Empire during the midst of the French and Indian War in a meeting of colonies. Here are some original sources directly from the NY Historical Society (meeting occurred in Albany NY 1754) His later colonial agency to the Crown as a lobbyist for the colonies also played into his interest in the matter later. https://tinyurl.com/k4mm3a68 Posted by: whig at December 06, 2025 12:06 PM (WDjG6) 55
Breaking News: Famous astronaut Katy Perry and distinguished Canadian political figure Justin Trudeau are now an official couple!
Posted by: AoSHQ Celebrity News Bureau and Rumour Centre at December 06, 2025 11:57 AM (0sNs1) And didn't think Justin liked girls. Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at December 06, 2025 12:06 PM (L9Jmf) 56
Watch 1776 and April Morning, will get more history from those movies than Ken Burns' 'documentary.'
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 06, 2025 12:06 PM (e2cjy) 57
>>> Breaking News: Famous astronaut Katy Perry and distinguished Canadian political figure Justin Trudeau are now an official couple!
Posted by: AoSHQ Celebrity News Bureau and Rumour Centre at December 06, 2025 11:57 AM (0sNs1) This is not the "suck it, Orlando!" Flex she thinks it is. Apparently her ex was pursuing Sydney Sweeney at the Bezos wedding. Why pine for Perry's two fjords when you could have Sydney's? She tried to buy a convent in LA and the nuns there were fighting against the sale. Apparently the stress of it killed one of them. I never heard who eventually bought the property. But I hope it's not some satanic worshipper after being such holy ground. Posted by: LizLem at December 06, 2025 12:07 PM (gWBY1) 58
In middle school I had a history teacher tell us how Indians invented some kind of farming technique. Also something about them discovering strawberries 12 year old me had no clue that he was full of shit. I figured it out later.
But I’d bet 75% of the class still believes it (assuming they paid attention in class to begin with). This is how the left wields its power in education. Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 06, 2025 12:08 PM (wrRTB) 59
In middle school I had a history teacher tell us how Indians invented some kind of farming technique.
Burying a fish at the base of each corn plant? Posted by: Archimedes at December 06, 2025 12:11 PM (Riz8t) 60
used the Iroquois “flourishing democracy” as a blueprint for the United States Constitution. The evidence, however, is sparse, if non-existent, in the documentary.
At the time, the Iroquois didn't have a written language. Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 06, 2025 12:11 PM (xTIDn) 61
Agreed, and I actually saw it, but can't remember where. Possibly Netflix?
I got it from one of those Great Courses catalog sales about a year ago. I used to get them all the time, but havent received one in probably over a year now. Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 06, 2025 12:13 PM (EXyHK) 62
In middle school I had a history teacher tell us how Indians invented some kind of farming technique.
Ummmmm. . . . pooping in the garden. Posted by: Tonypete at December 06, 2025 12:13 PM (cYBz/) 63
Shamans vs Antibiotics - who you gonna trust?
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 06, 2025 12:13 PM (NBPRu) 64
If Somalia is so great when Trump deports their asses they should be delighted to return to the homeland. Right?
Minnesota is full of Somalis who are allegedly here because they would be killed in Somalia who periodically return to Somalia on vacation. Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 06, 2025 12:13 PM (xTIDn) Posted by: Anna Puma at December 06, 2025 12:13 PM (e2cjy) 66
"And, of course, you have Minnesota AWFLs on X (who probably live in lily-white small towns) explaining what wonderful neighbors the Somalis are."
One would think Somalis could at least pretend to be wonderful neighbors, while they are stealing billions from us. I have no idea what their US neighborhoods are really like ... probably 10X better than Somalia. Posted by: illiniwek at December 06, 2025 12:13 PM (vbXSk) 67
53 I had a history teacher at UH who loved all the woke tropes, and this was the late 80's. So I heard that Iroquois Confederact thing. Also, Cleopatra was black, and other shite.
Posted by: All Hail Eris ======== Academia got into thing where the latest fad became a contest to see how outrageous one could be in assertions rather than the actual and rather dull accumulation of knowledge. The strange, queer, and atypical was the ticket to getting published and grants so that became what academia favored. Add in leftist capture of the institution, you basically got a leftist version of Ripley's Believe It or Not where all the villians were of pallor and wealth and all the various imagined oppressed groups were the true heroes of history. Add in conspiracy based crap on no evidence, then you get Cleopatra had to be black as did Jesus, or even the nutty sun people versus whitey promoted by Hakeem Jeffries uncle Leonard. Denialism of accepted historical explanations backed by documented original sources and derivative secondary ones and archaelogical evidence became the norm. White guilt is one of the most destructive things promoted by neo marxists to destroy the West. Posted by: whig at December 06, 2025 12:13 PM (WDjG6) 68
65 Katy Perry did win a lawsuit against an aging veteran to get his mansion.
Stay classy Katy. Posted by: Anna Puma ------- I would prefer she stays in Canada and keeps up with Justin Trudeau. They deserve each other. Posted by: whig at December 06, 2025 12:14 PM (WDjG6) 69
I think Sullivan Ballou's letter may tell us more about the principles behind the American Revolution that Ken Burns' new series. And the music they put with it really fits.
Posted by: KT at December 06, 2025 12:15 PM (7vIsy) 70
62 In middle school I had a history teacher tell us how Indians invented some kind of farming technique.
Ummmmm. . . . pooping in the garden. Posted by: Tonypete ===== Ecclesiastes nothing new under the sun comes to mind here and mainly sells because Colleges of Education admit some of the lowest performing students on campus and then fill their heads full of rubbish. These students then become teachers spouting rubbish to the students who promptly internalize the rubbish themselves and then proceed to build their own rubbish heaps in their minds. Posted by: whig at December 06, 2025 12:17 PM (WDjG6) 71
"Burying a fish at the base of each corn plant?"
We all seemed to have learned that in 5th grade. Probably urban legend. If they had that many fish, they should have eaten the fish rather than the possible ear of corn months later. Posted by: illiniwek at December 06, 2025 12:18 PM (vbXSk) 72
I did read how South American Indians developed a kind of living soil made from burnt plant and animal matter, plus pottery shards and of course poop from various sources, that they would use in farming plots since the soil of the jungles was, oddly enough, so deficient.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 06, 2025 12:19 PM (kpS4V) 73
Katy was in the McLaren garage at the F-1 qualifying this morning
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 12:19 PM (Ia/+0) 74
Matt Walsh does a long take down of Ken's Propaganda inserts
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 12:22 PM (Ia/+0) 75
It can be lunch time, but then it's Saturday
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 12:23 PM (Ia/+0) 76
69 I think Sullivan Ballou's letter may tell us more about the principles behind the American Revolution that Ken Burns' new series. And the music they put with it really fits.
Posted by: KT Liberty! The American Revolution by noted historian Thomas Fleming is the far better bet. History Channel when it actually had history used to run that series over and over again. Better yet, actually read many of Thomas Fleming's historical works (or his historical fiction where he doesn't make up key historical events nor facts if that is your cup of tea). One of the most thorough eviscerations of FDR and his WWII performance is in Fleming's The New Dealer's War book. Unlike Schlaes who tends toward the polemic, Fleming admits he began the project being favorable toward FDR and his legacy but the historical evidence he uncovered of FDR's nasty/vicious personality and his minions ideology over practicality changed his mind when writing the book. His book on Washington's Fabian tactics to win the Revolutionary War is also quite excellent. Basically his political opponents to his strategy wanted to rerun Bunker Hill over and over again. Washington, after the NYC debacle, declined. Posted by: whig at December 06, 2025 12:23 PM (WDjG6) 77
I have an in-law, a white person, publicly declaim that she was tired of white people. Sure thing, dearie. Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM} at December 06, 2025 12:26 PM (xG4kz) Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 06, 2025 12:27 PM (Cjt/F) 79
72 I did read how South American Indians developed a kind of living soil made from burnt plant and animal matter, plus pottery shards and of course poop from various sources, that they would use in farming plots since the soil of the jungles was, oddly enough, so deficient.
Posted by: All Hail Eris Heavy rains tend to wash out the key ingredients of biomass. Even in the US, many areas of primeval forests actually had a thin layer of fertile soil over rocky or clay soils that needed biomass to become fertile for crops. That decline in soil fertility from continuous crop cultivation and erosion of the humus was in part drove Western expansion from the Eastern colonies by farmers. A few wise farmers, like George Washington did crop rotations, allowing animals to graze the stubble and poop, and other practices to keep the soil fertile but most simply sold up back east to buy new fresh land in the West. Posted by: whig at December 06, 2025 12:28 PM (WDjG6) 80
Tim Pool claims his house was shot at by an unknown gunman who approached his property in a vehicle.
Posted by: one hour sober at December 06, 2025 12:30 PM (Y1sOo) 81
Eris, the Amazon Indians are descended from Polynesian and Australia. They are the ones that knew how to enrich sandy soil. DNA has confirmed the Kon Tiki story.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 06, 2025 12:31 PM (NBPRu) 82
"Burying a fish at the base of each corn plant?"
We all seemed to have learned that in 5th grade. Probably urban legend. If they had that many fish, they should have eaten the fish rather than the possible ear of corn months later. I always assumed they just picked up dead and rotting fish on the shore. Posted by: Archimedes at December 06, 2025 12:33 PM (Riz8t) 83
And, yea, Walz and many MN state/federal politicos are in on it.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 06, 2025 11:50 AM (NwnyJ) Tim Walz reminds me of that episode where the retarded kid shows Archie Bunker he had the blade in backwards while planing the bathroom door and no little crinkles were coming out. Posted by: Meathead at December 06, 2025 12:35 PM (R/m4+) 84
18 Saw but a long trailer on Ken Burns Propaganda 6 part miniseries. But watched a couple hours of videos taking down Ken's Propaganda miniseries.
Actually best wasn't as much as taking apart as what Ken's Propaganda didn't say. The synopsis the video said was it was about the war, not the Revolution. Besides all the Propaganda filled war, was about nothing the Revolution was about. Nothing hardly on the Constitution they fought for, the Bill of Rights they fought for. Just a lot of what Ken wanted it to be for which wasn't historically correct. I might be able to find that video but can't be sure to find it. Posted by: Skip If you are interested in real history, one of the more interesting collections of Revolutionary War original documents is one of ministerial sermons that were recorded and passed around. Here is a link to a general discussion of Revolution as seen from the pulpit. https://tinyurl.com/yw77cncr Link goes to Academia website. Article is about 46 pages. Online Library of Liberty from the Liberty Fund has a two volume compliation of ministerial sermons about the Revolution and precursor events to it. https://tinyurl.com/2vfpwzww Posted by: whig at December 06, 2025 12:36 PM (WDjG6) 85
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I have an in-law, a white person, publicly declaim that she was tired of white people. Sure thing, dearie. Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: ----- I suppose it would be rude to suggest that Canada has a solution for that issue. Being direct, I would probably just mention that bigotry is pernicious even if you think badly of yourself. Actions matter more than color. Posted by: whig at December 06, 2025 12:38 PM (WDjG6) 86
This is a timely thread - but I have nothing optimistic to say about it. I will note ... take a look at Fox News right now. Number One article ? A puff piece about Little Mogadishu.
What do I think - not that you care ? We've hit critical mass here. Regardless of what IronGrampa says - we collectively are going to give this country away. Partly as a rejection of nationalism, partly as a pursuit of the quarterly-profit capitalism that prevails here, but mostly as a rejection of anything remotely resembling a collective treatment of groups - commonly called racism or stereotyping. That thought process, before certain folks start howling, didn't begin with Gen Z. It was taught in public schools to all ages in the 80s. Gen Z wasn't doing the teaching 40 years ago. No more than Millennials made their own participation trophies. Posted by: The Slow Decline at December 06, 2025 12:39 PM (k2Vk4) 87
One of the most thorough eviscerations of FDR and his WWII performance is in Fleming's The New Dealer's War book.
I read that one recently and it was excellent. I'm currently reading "The New Deal's War on the Bill of Rights: The Untold Story of FDR's Concentration Camps, Censorship, and Mass Surveillance" by David T. Beito. As if I needed another reason to hate FDR. Posted by: Archimedes at December 06, 2025 12:42 PM (Riz8t) 88
One of the most thorough eviscerations of FDR and his WWII performance is in Fleming's The New Dealer's War book.
Or just read anything - pretty much anything - late by Morgenthau. FDR doesn't reside on my Mt. Rushmore of Presidential Pricks for nothing. Posted by: The Slow Decline at December 06, 2025 12:44 PM (k2Vk4) 89
78 " ... we do not need another oppressor-oppressed dialectic at this time. "
and yet here we are. Posted by: sock_rat_eez ===== They do it for power and to raise their social status over others. I call it bullshit. And most normal people of any race don't try to pull that shit. It is almost wholly the conceit of overeducated and maleducated twits that are trying to compete among other perceived opponents in their social class for personal benefit. History periodically records such idiotic enthusiasms among the perceived elite classes such as iconoclasm, witchcraft, or traditional economic based Marxism. All bullshit and designed to make the bien pensants think they are better than others in society because their shit doesn't stink. 1776's line in the song about the triangular trade comes to mind, "who stinketh the most!" illustrating hypocrisy. Posted by: whig at December 06, 2025 12:45 PM (WDjG6) 90
Thx K.T.
Liked Burns Civil War largely because of Shelby Foote. Also because Ashokan Farewell is written by people from my county and the Ashokan Resovoir is about 12 m from my house. His Baseball series kind of sucked. Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 06, 2025 12:45 PM (bfwj/) 91
My people buried a penguin at base of every corn plant, which led to mass starvation and the end of the tribe. Except for me.
Posted by: Heap Big Lizzy Warren at December 06, 2025 12:45 PM (vFG9F) 92
I'm going to pick up Rick Atkinson's second book on his Revolutionary War trilogy. It includes the burning of my city . The first book was good
Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 06, 2025 12:47 PM (bfwj/) 93
A six tribes of savages ocracy if you can keep it.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 06, 2025 12:47 PM (H12NW) 94
His Baseball series kind of sucked.
In all fairness to Ken Burns - any series about a sport that sucks is gonna' suck just because. Ken Burns does Manual Bowling Pin Placement Through The Ages could be incredibly insightful and factual. Yet suck by default. Posted by: The Slow Decline at December 06, 2025 12:47 PM (k2Vk4) 95
Oops. We call it maze.
Posted by: Heap Big Lizzy Warren at December 06, 2025 12:48 PM (vFG9F) 96
He did one documentary on the African Space Program.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 06, 2025 12:49 PM (H12NW) 97
Have not watched this series. My sister loved it, so I assume that it was leftist revisionism with musket volley sound effects.
Posted by: Ted Torgerson at December 06, 2025 12:49 PM (R86kT) Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 06, 2025 12:50 PM (pkeXY) 99
The American Revolution started a little too early. We let some trouble makers drag us into the war early.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 06, 2025 12:50 PM (H12NW) 100
The American Revolution started a little too early. We let some trouble makers drag us into the war early.
Probably Ukraine. Posted by: Archimedes at December 06, 2025 12:52 PM (Riz8t) 101
Or just read anything - pretty much anything - late by Morgenthau.
FDR doesn't reside on my Mt. Rushmore of Presidential Pricks for nothing. Posted by: The Slow Decline What I think was unique about Fleming is in the foreword where he admits that he was a FDR fan in part due to the FDR saved Democracy trope. Fleming spent much of his career investigating the Revolutionary War and its aftermath but not much on more recent history. So he kind of just went with the flow of his generation (he died in his 90's fairly recently (1927-2017) and so did not seriously consider FDR as a historical figure until quite late in his career. That Man, by confidant and later Scotus Justice Robert Jackson is also not a flattering portrayal of the man whether Jackson realized it or not. Posted by: whig at December 06, 2025 12:52 PM (WDjG6) Posted by: no one at December 06, 2025 12:52 PM (W7XSX) Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 06, 2025 12:54 PM (wrRTB) 104
Good morning everyone,
The comment below clearly outlines what we have lost. (Thanks whig) "Denialism of accepted historical explanations backed by documented original sources and derivative secondary ones and archaeological evidence became the norm." Now, how do we return to any accepted historical explanations? Trust in any historical claims has been destroyed. Wasn't there a quote that came out of communist Russia along the lines of "the present we know, it is the past that keeps changing"? Our country's history should be a shared heritage, but is now fractured by competing views. It is difficult for me not to be discouraged when trying to see a way forward. Posted by: AmericanKestrel at December 06, 2025 12:55 PM (La8zG) 105
Ken Burns no longer has Shelby Foote to hold up the series and it clearly shows. He should do what he really wants to do and that's Black History
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 06, 2025 12:56 PM (FCrpy) 106
John Adams:"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." It is inadequate for savages from another culture, especially those who have no respect for Euro-American traditions
Posted by: JM in Illinois at December 06, 2025 12:56 PM (tyDOg) 107
Roundheads were the hot heads. Oddly. It was the American Anglicans that won the Rebellion.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 06, 2025 12:57 PM (NBPRu) 108
Yet Shelby had a plagiarism hanging over his head and somehow I decided never to read any of his books.
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 12:57 PM (Ia/+0) 109
If Netflix does a Washington movie he'll be black and gay. They'll get Jussie Smollett to play the part.
Posted by: Aren't you that faggot nagger from Mt. Vernon? at December 06, 2025 12:58 PM (TbWk/) 110
Academia got into thing where the latest fad became a contest to see how outrageous one could be in assertions rather than the actual and rather dull accumulation of knowledge.
Several years ago Biblical Archaeology ran something from some nutcase about how Adams rib should actually be translated as Adams penis. In unrelated news, this appeared shortly before I let my subscription lapse. Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 06, 2025 12:58 PM (EXyHK) 111
Yet Shelby had a plagiarism hanging over his head and somehow I decided never to read any of his books.
AI: While Shelby Foote himself wasn't accused of plagiarism, his letters and personal life were central to a major plagiarism controversy involving Wallace Stegner's Pulitzer-winning novel Angle of Repose (1971), where Stegner heavily used Foote's (and his wife Mary Hallock Foote's) unpublished letters without full attribution, sparking debates on fair use, appropriation, and literary ethics that continue today, with critics calling it literary theft while others defended it as creating authentic depth I think you can read Shelby Foote in peace. Posted by: Archimedes at December 06, 2025 12:58 PM (Riz8t) 112
His Baseball series kind of sucked.
Posted by: Smell the Glove Heroes and Villians bullshit, most documentaries are actually propaganda disguised as information. Using tricks of the trade, a documentarian can easily omit conflicting stories and evidence, manipulate emotions at the lizard brain level through images and music, and choose which features to highlight and which to downplay. So Burns made Ty Cobb a monster which was a gross overstatement for example while making other not so nice players into saints. Documentaries that feature panels of experts can be a bit better but often books and original sources are far better in information presentment, more recognizant of nuance, and more dense in actual information than what is put into a documentary. Harder to manipulate emotions through printed matter than by storytelling with music and images. Easier for most to spot tricks in printed matter by going back to the specific page than rewinding to 32:17 on the tape to replay something unfair, distorted, or downright a lie. Posted by: whig at December 06, 2025 12:59 PM (WDjG6) 113
Ken Burns has always been a Leftist, and the difference between his Civil War documentary and his American Revolution documentary is reflective of the journey made by the Left over the last four decades. Leftists have become increasingly Marxist, totalitarian, and now hate the U.S., and they admit it. Leftists have gone off the rails. That was not generally the situation in 1990 when Burns did his Civil War documentary.
Posted by: Ralph at December 06, 2025 12:59 PM (8WZD4) 114
Putting on YouTube see VDH has a take down on Ken Burns Propaganda miniseries
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 12:59 PM (Ia/+0) 115
As if I needed another reason to hate FDR.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 06, 2025 12:42 PM (Riz8t) FDR should have been dug up and placed in the docket at Nuremberg alongside Goering and Dr. Gurgles. Posted by: FDR was a communist and War Criminal at December 06, 2025 12:59 PM (R/m4+) 116
What I think was unique about Fleming is in the foreword where he admits that he was a FDR fan in part due to the FDR saved Democracy trope.
Interesting. I've done - like I always do - my own reading on FDR. And Lincoln. And Nixon. And on and on. I decided, at least by my 30s, that FDR was much more Communist than Hitler. Morgenthau's writings told the tail. Good ol' FDR wanted to convert the entire war effort to everyone collecting their paycheck from the Fed. FDR had to be talked down from simply Nationalizing entire "critical corporations". Even Hitler never considered these things. On these simple number-lines of how to look at WW II ? We were to the Right of the Soviets but Left of the Nazis when it came to Economic Freedom. So, of course, two generations deified the guy and statues and schools were built in his name. FDR was a tyrant. Posted by: The Slow Decline at December 06, 2025 01:00 PM (k2Vk4) Posted by: toby928(c) at December 06, 2025 01:00 PM (jc0TO) 118
I cannot tell a lie. Two white men in King George III hats forced me to chop down the cherry tree. Then they wrapped a noose around my neck, poured a solution of ashen lye upon me, shouted "THIS IS RED COAT COUNTRY" and ran away.
Posted by: George Faggington at December 06, 2025 01:01 PM (TbWk/) 119
Katy Perry did win a lawsuit against an aging veteran to get his mansion.
Stay classy Katy. Meh. The veteran sold the property to Perry and then tried to back out of the deal. His defense was that he didn't know what he was signing. This was probably the correct legal result, although Perry might wonder whether the hit to her reputation was worth the money. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 06, 2025 01:01 PM (8DR9B) 120
Several years ago Biblical Archaeology ran something from some nutcase about how Adam’s rib should actually be translated as Adam’s penis.
In unrelated news, this appeared shortly before I let my subscription lapse. Posted by: Stephen Price Blair ======= Yep. And opposite the truth, increasingly academic presentations as a discussant meant that any criticism became politically charged as whitey putting POC down or some other stupid bullshit. Simple epistemology observations of shoddy research became verboten. Even when it was kindly packaged as "what make you think this 'finding' is generalizable beyond your classroom". Millennials ruined academia. And Colleges of Education ruined millennials before that because k12 ideology from teachers from these education mills in the 70's and 80's preceded millennials being maleducated. Posted by: whig at December 06, 2025 01:05 PM (WDjG6) 121
NG Andrew Wolfe I take it still clings onto life, one can only hope he recovers fully but it will be a very long road I guess
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 01:05 PM (Ia/+0) 122
KT,
Thanks for including the Voices of Music video using period correct instruments and original score. Bach and Vivaldi played like that is different, so much better and richer than modern versions. The other video is a talented burlesque with the foot stomping. Posted by: JTB at December 06, 2025 01:05 PM (yTvNw) 123
I cannot tell a lie. Two white men in King George III hats forced me to chop down the cherry tree.
But you could exceed orders - by quite a bit - and if you didn't start the French and Indian war by yourself ? Well, you at least got in the Team Photo. Ol' George was politically ambitious right out the gate. It really is amazing that he didn't try to hold onto power more than two terms. Because George liked power. Posted by: The Slow Decline at December 06, 2025 01:06 PM (k2Vk4) 124
107 Roundheads were the hot heads. Oddly. It was the American Anglicans that won the Rebellion.
Posted by: Pudinhead Charlie Brown was a Roundhead. No, on second thought, he was a Blockhead. Posted by: Lucy Van Pelt at December 06, 2025 01:06 PM (oftw2) 125
I decided, at least by my 30s, that FDR was much more Communist than Hitler. Morgenthau's writings told the tail. Good ol' FDR wanted to convert the entire war effort to everyone collecting their paycheck from the Fed. FDR had to be talked down from simply Nationalizing entire "critical corporations". Even Hitler never considered these things.
On these simple number-lines of how to look at WW II ? We were to the Right of the Soviets but Left of the Nazis when it came to Economic Freedom. So, of course, two generations deified the guy and statues and schools were built in his name. FDR was a tyrant. Posted by: The Slow Decline Not much to disagree. FDR was a collectivist/bureaucrat enabler just like Woodrow Wilson who FDR served in his cabinet. Al Smith, FDR's predecessor as NY governor came to recognize that in FDR and his apparatchiks. Posted by: whig at December 06, 2025 01:07 PM (WDjG6) 126
And Colleges of Education ruined millennials before that because k12 ideology from teachers from these education mills in the 70's and 80's preceded millennials being maleducated.
The takeover of the educational system is complete. Homeschool your children. Posted by: AmericanKestrel at December 06, 2025 01:08 PM (La8zG) 127
Similar to the MN whistleblowers, in Chicago, back in the day, Mike Royko (newspaper columnist and sometime muckraker) would get a LOT of info about misbehaving politicians, though his sources were never called whistleblowers. He was an old-school reporter who had a lot of contacts in city & county government. Sadly, as his contacts retired/left govt employment, he did less of that and more social commentary. He was very good at his trade. His bio of Mayor Richard J Daley,Boss, was a masterpiece - gave Daley credit for a lot (especially that he was never a grifter), but dragged the hell out of him for political shenanigans.
Posted by: Nazdar at December 06, 2025 01:10 PM (NcvvS) 128
He was very good at his trade. His bio of Mayor Richard J Daley,Boss, was a masterpiece - gave Daley credit for a lot (especially that he was never a grifter), but dragged the hell out of him for political shenanigans.
Posted by: Nazdar ======== I agree. It also helped that Royko was at the Sun Times which was the scrappy underdog at the time to the Chicago Tribune. Royko was given much more latitude to go after the business is business sorts in City Hall. Posted by: whig at December 06, 2025 01:11 PM (WDjG6) 129
And Colleges of Education ruined millennials before that because k12 ideology from teachers from these education mills in the 70's and 80's preceded millennials being maleducated.
This very obvious factthat each generation is taught by an earlier generationmust be kept very firmly in mind The moment we forget this we begin to talk nonsense about education.C. S. Lewis, On the Transmission of Christianity Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 06, 2025 01:12 PM (EXyHK) 130
A few wise farmers, like George Washington did crop rotations, allowing animals to graze the stubble and poop, and other practices to keep the soil fertile but most simply sold up back east to buy new fresh land in the West.
Posted by: whig at December 06, 2025 12:28 PM (WDjG6) Whig, what Eris is talking about is Terra Preta, which is a carbon rich soil that the Amazonian cultures made through creating middens in their farm lands. They make them to this day. It is a combination of charcoal and food prep waste, as well as left overs and whatever else. These were not slash and burn farmers The laetrite soils of the jungle have high recycling of minerals and nutrients, what the micro-life doesn't take the roots of the trees will take and the remainder is washed off, like you say. The charcoal appears to absorb the nutrients, and hold it for the plants and micro-life to utilize at need. Some dark earths are "meters" thick, and still fertile in spite of the cultures that made them dying off in the 1500's. The current organic fad of creating Terra Preta in your home garden is getting a lot of attention, and seems to have a serious value. It is a step up from crop rotation Posted by: Kindltot at December 06, 2025 01:12 PM (rbvCR) 131
I friend of mine recently bought a nice place. While in escrow, the seller want to bail because the value of the property went up.
He had to begin legal proceedings to make it happen. It's not her fault. He signed a contract. Posted by: no one at December 06, 2025 01:13 PM (W7XSX) 132
My view is in the aftermath of the Great Depression, Socialism was the big craze of the world. FDR was just as thrilled by it.
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 01:13 PM (Ia/+0) 133
The takeover of the educational system is complete.
Homeschool your children. Posted by: AmericanKestrel Only if you are capable and some people aren't by nature or inclination. It require careful curation of curriculum because a lot of that is infected wokist tripe as well. If one is inclined to do that, reaching out to networks that have already resolved some of these issues among parent educators is very useful. Posted by: whig at December 06, 2025 01:13 PM (WDjG6) 134
***Questions:
Why does this series seem different from, say, his Civil War epic? --- It seems different because people have only been taught one narrative on the Civil War. Burns 'epic' on the Civil War is as big a crock of shit as his 'epic' on the Revolution. Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 06, 2025 01:14 PM (04Glf) 135
" buy new fresh land in the West?"
My ancestors sold out in SC when the soil was depleted and moved west for free land in Alabama. Posted by: no one at December 06, 2025 01:15 PM (W7XSX) 136
129 And Colleges of Education ruined millennials before that because k12 ideology from teachers from these education mills in the 70's and 80's preceded millennials being maleducated.
“This very obvious fact—that each generation is taught by an earlier generation—must be kept very firmly in mind… The moment we forget this we begin to talk nonsense about education.”—C. S. Lewis, On the Transmission of Christianity Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 06, 2025 01:12 PM (EXyHK) Even in the early stone ages, when Boomers were going to college, radicalism was overtly taking over the academy, and the education majors were full-on retards. We've been on this downward trajectory for some time. Posted by: The seeds were planted even earlier at December 06, 2025 01:15 PM (TbWk/) 137
[Mike Royko] was very good at his trade.
His stories about learning to be a reporter at Chicagos City News Bureau make it sound almost like a Chinese Opera training school but for journalists. Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 06, 2025 01:15 PM (EXyHK) 138
FDR was a collectivist/bureaucrat enabler just like Woodrow Wilson who FDR served in his cabinet.
Which is ironic. At least as far as I've read - FDR was one of the first wave of Industrial Candidates. Big funding from J.P. Morgan, J.D. Rockefeller, and Henry Ford. Its odd how it always works like this, ain't it ? Wall Street loved Obama. Posted by: The Slow Decline at December 06, 2025 01:15 PM (k2Vk4) 139
I have an in-law, a white person, publicly declaim that she was tired of white people.
Sure thing, dearie. Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM} at December 06, 2025 12:26 PM (xG4kz Did you tell her that she should kill herself to relieve her anguish? I often offer helpful advice to poor misguided souls such as herself. With age comes an absence of mouth filters. Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at December 06, 2025 01:15 PM (5xuJ/) 140
I looked up Howard Zinn and found out his shitty book is considered "great."
Posted by: no one at December 06, 2025 01:15 PM (W7XSX) Posted by: no one at December 06, 2025 01:16 PM (W7XSX) 142
“This very obvious fact—that each generation is taught by an earlier generation—must be kept very firmly in mind… The moment we forget this we begin to talk nonsense about education.”—C. S. Lewis, On the Transmission of Christianity
Everyone can keep their G.K. Chesterston. Seriously. C.S. Lewis understood how things work. G.K. loudly told you how he wished it did. Posted by: The Slow Decline at December 06, 2025 01:17 PM (k2Vk4) 143
I think Royko was at the Daily News, the afternoon paper. Moved to the Tribune when the Daily News shut down. 1981?
Posted by: Ted Torgerson at December 06, 2025 01:17 PM (R86kT) 144
Only if you are capable and some people aren't by nature or inclination.
At this point, I disagree. Even the most incapable parent is going to provide a better education than most schools do. Paraphrasing what Jefferson said about newspapers, if the only thing a parent does is teach nothing to their children, their kids will still be more informed than public school kids who are taught lies. Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 06, 2025 01:17 PM (EXyHK) 145
The Burns documentary went as I expected: anything but good white people. The content was so basic and limited with almost no mention of the philosophical underpinnings. The music couldn't compare to Ashokan Farewell. The 1776 versions of the Ballou letter which exist but weren't used lessened the personal emotional context. And there was no equivalent to Shelby Foote providing insight and humor. The commenters were knowledgeable but not lively.
Glad I didn't waste too much time with the whole series. Posted by: JTB at December 06, 2025 01:17 PM (yTvNw) 146
Also, for tobacco, the farmers in the South tended to do a form of slash and burn, always expanding as they needed more land that was not exhausted. In New England (and later in the South) more scientific methods of crop rotation, fallow, and amending in a way that would have made the original Jethro Tull proud.
it is both from the background of the different farmers, and the crops and economics of the regions. You farm wheat and corn differently from tobacco, in part because wheat and corn allowed smaller plots, and not requiring a latifundia to be economically viable Posted by: Kindltot at December 06, 2025 01:17 PM (rbvCR) 147
132 My view is in the aftermath of the Great Depression, Socialism was the big craze of the world. FDR was just as thrilled by it.
Posted by: Skip I would include fascism under that monicker. Progressivism was essentially fascism with better pr in combining and managing industry and society by groups rather than individualism. The later pluralism movement (government is the arena and referee where interest groups duke it out) can be shown as derivative of fascist emphasis on the fasces (different strands of society) being welded together by the state in order to promote and enforce whatever the top honcho/ruling counsel felt was in the interest of the state. In reality, the managerial class because of information control often ran the place on a day to day basis whether in corporations, government, or ngos. Burns, the Managerial Revolution, was written at the height of WWII with its insights over institutions like the OPM. Posted by: whig at December 06, 2025 01:18 PM (WDjG6) 148
Only if you are capable and some people aren't by nature or inclination. It require careful curation of curriculum because a lot of that is infected wokist tripe as well. If one is inclined to do that, reaching out to networks that have already resolved some of these issues among parent educators is very useful.
Posted by: whig at December 06, 2025 01:13 PM (WDjG6) And you have to be of the right temperament. If you are impatient or snap easily, don't do it. Or you'll find yourself screaming and hitting your kids for not understanding Algebra II fast enough. Or at a less extreme end burning out. Posted by: You have to be very self-controlled and self-aware at December 06, 2025 01:18 PM (TbWk/) 149
Tisquantum learned the technique of burying a bit of fish with the corn seed from continental Europeans while a slave in Spain before escaping to England and eventually returning to Massachusetts. The fish technique was not a local Indian custom. It is a Spanish technique.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at December 06, 2025 01:18 PM (xqL5c) Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 06, 2025 01:18 PM (04Glf) 151
Everyone can keep their G.K. Chesterston.
He says, Neither in religion nor morality, my friend, lie the hopes of the race, but in education. This, clearly expressed, means, We cannot decide what is good, but let us give it to our children.G.K. Chesterton, Heretics Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 06, 2025 01:18 PM (EXyHK) 152
149 Tisquantum learned the technique of burying a bit of fish with the corn seed from continental Europeans while a slave in Spain before escaping to England and eventually returning to Massachusetts. The fish technique was not a local Indian custom. It is a Spanish technique.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at December 06, 2025 01:18 PM (xqL5c) He was also known as Squatto because he taught them how to build latrines. Posted by: Tom Servo at December 06, 2025 01:20 PM (uWKK8) 153
It's funny not funny that WW2 started in part because of FDR's meddling in China to protect American investments there and Chamberpot guaranteeing Poland's independence yet by 1949 both were communist.
Ken Burns outta do a series. Posted by: And Yet at December 06, 2025 01:20 PM (R/m4+) Posted by: no one at December 06, 2025 01:20 PM (W7XSX) 155
143 I think Royko was at the Daily News, the afternoon paper. Moved to the Tribune when the Daily News shut down. 1981?
Posted by: Ted Torgerson ====== You would be right that he started at the Daily News which folded about 1970 and then to the allied Sun Times until Rupert Murdoch purchased it in the 80's and then to Tribune. Daily News was before my time really and I read Royko's syndicated columns before I read his books. Posted by: whig at December 06, 2025 01:20 PM (WDjG6) 156
Thank you for the lovely music, K.T.
Posted by: JM in Illinois at December 06, 2025 01:21 PM (hW+ut) 157
>>Because George liked power.
George refused the kingship which was suggested because he had no legitimate children. Don't know if he had illegitimate children, but neither they nor his stepchildren would have been acceptable successors. He retired, albeit temporarily, to private life after the war and served as President for a *limited* period to try to model how that should work. Posted by: Nazdar at December 06, 2025 01:22 PM (NcvvS) 158
dad said that Grandpa buried fish in the garden, and in an allotment he rented during the war for a a victory garden. Dad also said Grandpa only did it once because it stank to high heaven.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 06, 2025 01:23 PM (rbvCR) 159
Fleming admits he began the project being favorable toward FDR and his legacy but the historical evidence he uncovered of FDR's nasty/vicious personality and his minions ideology over practicality changed his mind when writing the book.
------------- Sounds like the guy who wrote a biography of LBJ. Caro? Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at December 06, 2025 01:23 PM (0cOaq) 160
Ken Burns and Why Now?
Well, its another facet in the never-ending trolling by the Left. Continuously calling Conservatives racists, H8tr's, Fascists, Nazis, then introduce a bullsh*t series on the founding fathers and suddenly its seems much more OK to revolt against authority. How can you not when armed with the righteous cause of "democratic socialism"? Well, bring it assholes. Come to my little town and let's dance. Posted by: Diogenes at December 06, 2025 01:24 PM (2WIwB) 161
Pacos first came over to this country as indentured servants in the early 18th century from England (probably stole some spoons or a cow or something). My ancestor fought against the British and was awarded a parcel of land after the Revolutionary War concluded. You can bet the old boy knew a thing or two about oppression and freedom, and the big difference between the two.
Posted by: Paco at December 06, 2025 01:25 PM (mADJX) 162
My mom bought a thing called "fish emulsion" for her flowers. A little goes a long way.
Posted by: no one at December 06, 2025 01:26 PM (W7XSX) 163
Ken Burns, Civil War, epic
Ken Burns, Revolution, epic The Gell-Mann amnesia effect is a cognitive bias where people recognize inaccuracies in media reports about topics they know well but still trust the media on subjects they are less familiar with. Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 06, 2025 01:26 PM (04Glf) 164
And you have to be of the right temperament. If you are impatient or snap easily, don't do it. Or you'll find yourself screaming and hitting your kids for not understanding Algebra II fast enough. Or at a less extreme end burning out.
Posted by: You have to be very self-controlled and self-aware ======= Good points. Same criteria as those planning on teaching as a career. Posted by: whig at December 06, 2025 01:27 PM (WDjG6) 165
The worldview of the left can be mostly summed up with the phrase 'I hate you, Dad!'.
Posted by: toby928(c) at December 06, 2025 01:27 PM (jc0TO) 166
It's kind of like sardines. Nobody wants them. But Bobby Flay puts them in his Sprimp and Grits and never loses.
Posted by: no one at December 06, 2025 01:27 PM (W7XSX) 167
It's funny not funny that WW2 started in part because of FDR's meddling in China to protect American investments there and Chamberpot guaranteeing Poland's independence yet by 1949 both were communist.
WW II was guaranteed when the Treaty of Versailles was signed to send both teams to the locker-room at the end of WW I. A twenty year armistice. A long half-time. No country would have lived under those terms without force to make them do so. No sane victor without the means to muster such force, long term, would have considered it. So, of course, Wilson waded our asses in to tip the balance and then sign such a moronic plan. Wilson is also on my Mt. Rushmore of Presidential Pricks. FDR, Lincoln, and Wilson. Spot Number Four is still up for grabs. Posted by: The Slow Decline at December 06, 2025 01:27 PM (k2Vk4) 168
Anchovies. Yikes.
Posted by: no one at December 06, 2025 01:29 PM (W7XSX) 169
Several years ago Biblical Archaeology ran something from some nutcase about how Adam’s rib should actually be translated as Adam’s penis.
In unrelated news, this appeared shortly before I let my subscription lapse. Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 06, 2025 12:58 PM (EXyHK) Ah the "Baculum theory". It argues that parts of Genesis is a "just so" story that has no parallel that anyone has presented, based on the observation that Humans are the only mammal without a baculum, however it misses that ungulates like horses, cattle and sheep also lack them. Possibly one of the more exciting unprovable thesis to come out of modern maundering. Posted by: Kindltot at December 06, 2025 01:29 PM (rbvCR) 170
105 Ken Burns no longer has Shelby Foote to hold up the series and it clearly shows. He should do what he really wants to do and that's Black History - Patrick from Ohio
Maybe he'd like to start with contemporary history in the Minneapolis area. No? Well, just an idea... Posted by: Paco at December 06, 2025 01:29 PM (mADJX) 171
161 Pacos first came over to this country as indentured servants
--- Both of Buddy's fore-parents came to the rebuilding of Jamestown as indentured servants. They've got stories. Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 06, 2025 01:29 PM (04Glf) 172
Sounds like the guy who wrote a biography of LBJ. Caro?
Posted by: Captain Obvious Yes. Caro took a turn when he documented LBJ's rise to power in his first volume. Believe by his second volume research, LBJ's family and supporters were upset by the first one and tried to hinder his ability to access LBJ's donated papers and his presidential library. Posted by: whig at December 06, 2025 01:31 PM (WDjG6) 173
Got any better ideas for recognizing the American Revolution as an important anniversary approaches?
Haven't read comments yet, so I'm sure others have said this earlier and better. Trump needs to get a real American to do a quick revolution series telling the background of the whole idea. Someone who doesn't use this platform to denigrate the country and founders, but celebrates what they did. Our revolution inspired others, just like the French one, but ours didn't devolve into savagery. We need to know why, not that the founders were imperfect. Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 06, 2025 01:31 PM (uQesX) 174
"White Slavery"
Posted by: no one at December 06, 2025 01:31 PM (W7XSX) 175
My mom bought a thing called "fish emulsion" for her flowers. A little goes a long way.
Fish emulsion is the last stop for fish that aren't good enough to use for lutefisk. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 06, 2025 01:31 PM (8DR9B) 176
>>It also helped that Royko was at the Sun Times
whig, before that, he was at the Daily News, which was the Field family's afternoon paper, and the one Dad brought home. Was reading him before hitting double-digit age; didn't get some things, but sure got a lot. He moved to the Sun-Times when the Daily News shut down ('74?) and the S-T did a morning & afternoon edition. Both the Sun-Times & the Tribune killed their afternoon editions a few years later; hell, the Trib bought the Chicago American and made it the Chicago Today, for a while. The real grin is that Royko moved to the Tribune when Rupert Murdoch bought the Field publications, because, while he had sworn that he would never work for the Trib, he loathed Murdoch more. There's a story (too lazy to look up) that Royko rode an elevator in the S-T building with one of the Field heirs right after the sale was announced and blasted him practically out of the elevator. Posted by: Nazdar at December 06, 2025 01:32 PM (NcvvS) 177
"The FBI apprehended the J6 pipe bomber, something the Biden FBI had somehow been unable to do. Weirdly, he turned out to be a left-wing extremist. The The FBI apprehended the J6 pipe bomber, something the Biden FBI had somehow been unable to do."
As I've said before (and I trust others have said as well), there should never have been a J6 rally - especially if the J5 pipe bombs were discovered when they should have been. The whole Capitol complex should have been shut down due to a bomb investigation, instead of allowing any group of people to congregate around discovered and undiscovered explosive devices. The government let the bombs be planted, allowed the demonstrations to take place in spite of those bombs being planted, and conspired to railroad innocent protestors and derail the possibility of a second Trump term - either in 2021 or today. Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 06, 2025 01:34 PM (0CU3H) 178
174 Pacos first came over to this country as indentured servants
--- Both of Buddy's fore-parents came to the rebuilding of Jamestown as indentured servants. They've got stories. - Braenyard Cherish them and pass them on. I have few details, unfortunately, about the First Paco in America. Great Aunt Murdy commissioned a genuine genealogical history probably before I was born, and she never let anybody read it. Some of the basic info got out, though, such as that indentured servant business. I take it that my people were not exactly in line for the throne. Posted by: Paco at December 06, 2025 01:34 PM (mADJX) 179
@137 Stephen Price Blair
I've got 3-4 of Royko's books and love them for the stories of learning his trade. Posted by: Nazdar at December 06, 2025 01:35 PM (NcvvS) 180
From what I understand, lutefisk would be better used as fertilizer.
Posted by: no one at December 06, 2025 01:36 PM (W7XSX) 181
Got any better ideas for recognizing the American Revolution as an important anniversary approaches?
No. Honestly ? No. Because there's a reason the Left - under Obama - systematically erased every Civil War name and monument. Why did they do that ? Because they wanted to erase the idea of organized disobedience. Because they had the idea that they had a lock on authority. And now ? They love the idea of disobedience. There is no message that will work - unless you teach the idea of whites vs. whites vs. natives. Which will not play with the young 'uns. Or we can go State's Rights. North-East Republicans will hate that. Or we can get into the real lives of the "Founders". They were not Saints or Deities. That'll work well. Posted by: The Slow Decline at December 06, 2025 01:36 PM (k2Vk4) 182
173 Got any better ideas for recognizing the American Revolution as an important anniversary approaches?
Haven't read comments yet, so I'm sure others have said this earlier and better. Trump needs to get a real American to do a quick revolution series telling the background of the whole idea. Someone who doesn't use this platform to denigrate the country and founders, but celebrates what they did. Our revolution inspired others, just like the French one, but ours didn't devolve into savagery. We need to know why, not that the founders were imperfect. Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 06, 2025 01:31 PM (uQesX) The White House has put out a series of videos on YouTube highlighting individual Revolutionary figures - both well-known and unknown. It's pretty good, and it's short as well. Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 06, 2025 01:36 PM (0CU3H) 183
BTU VS Texas Tech... some crazy plays!
!!!!!GUNS UP!!!! Posted by: lin-duh at December 06, 2025 01:37 PM (VCgbV) 184
GARDEN THREAD IS BLOOMING
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 01:37 PM (Ia/+0) 185
I've got 3-4 of Royko's books and love them for the stories of learning his trade.
Theres not a dud in the bunch. One of his most memorable essays is getting carried away watching True Grit. I think its from Sez Who? Sez Me. Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 06, 2025 01:38 PM (EXyHK) 186
175 When Dad and I would go bank fishing, he kept carp and other bottom feeders for his miserable garden. A friend's Dad, a guy about my age, keeps carp and smokes them. It took him a few tries, but what comes out now is pretty good.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 06, 2025 01:38 PM (gm9Sb) 187
Some of the basic info got out, though, such as that indentured servant business. I take it that my people were not exactly in line for the throne.
Posted by: Paco That is too bad. We were the Kings, but then we abdicated the Throne. Posted by: The Schmenge Brothers at December 06, 2025 01:40 PM (oftw2) 188
>>I think Royko was at the Daily News, the afternoon paper. Moved to the Tribune when the Daily News shut down. 1981?
Ted, Daily News shut down in '78, and I think Field stopped producing an afternoon paper then. Tribune killed Chicago Today and produced an afternoon edition for a few years - remember because delivered afternoon Chicago papers from 1973-1975 before turned 29. Posted by: Nazdar at December 06, 2025 01:41 PM (NcvvS) 189
I went out on a half-day boat out of San Diego. We caught a lot of mackerel. Nobody wants the mackerel, but this old guy. He takes all we want to give him.
He was old man Ghio. Portugese. They used the mackerel to make fish stock at the Anthony's restaurants in San Diego. Posted by: no one at December 06, 2025 01:42 PM (W7XSX) 190
Our revolution inspired others, just like the French one, but ours didn't devolve into savagery.
Good Grief. Prisoners kept in cages (the Brits did that in Boston). Buildings "fired" - which meant those inside burnt alive. Do you understand that, in that Revolution, men lined up against other men to kill them ? And if they missed at close range, there was always the bayonet or the hatchet ? War IS savagery. By definition. Posted by: The Slow Decline at December 06, 2025 01:42 PM (k2Vk4) 191
The bomb story stinks. They traced him buying one piece of pipe at Home Depot a year apart from buying another piece at Lowes and the other few pieces at different times (months or years apart) and places.
They can do this but they can't find a killer? They can't trace back on the Trump shooter or Las Vegas or two hundred other things that are strung together much better than a piece of pipe here and a piece of pipe there. He may have placed the bombs but the whole story is a crock. Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 06, 2025 01:42 PM (04Glf) 192
From what I understand, lutefisk would be better used as fertilizer.
Posted by: no one at December 06, 2025 01:36 PM (W7XSX) Lutefisk has too much lye in it for fertilizer You can make you own fish emulsion by dumping those hagfish, bullheads, fish guts and heads in a barrel, topping with water and letting it rot down for a summer. That is what it is, basically. Some people advise stirring it from time to time, and others say it is best to strain the bones out before use. By the way, if you were to put in lots of salt, you could make fish sauce or garum instead, but you probably want to clean the barrel well, first. "Makes your plants grow tall - either from the fertilizer, or because they are trying to get away from the stink" Posted by: Kindltot at December 06, 2025 01:44 PM (rbvCR) 193
It's the Las Vegas shooter story that stinks.
Posted by: no one at December 06, 2025 01:45 PM (W7XSX) 194
Well, lutefisk before the lye.
Posted by: no one at December 06, 2025 01:46 PM (W7XSX) 195
The worldview of the left can be mostly summed up with the phrase 'I hate you, Dad!'.
Posted by: toby928(c) at December 06, 2025 01:27 PM (jc0TO) Heh. The Coal Mining sketch by Monty Python really does hit the nail. 'Coal minings a wonderful thing, Father!' Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 06, 2025 01:48 PM (RE5em) 196
One can only think the Eff Bee Eye doesn't see what they don't want to see
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 01:52 PM (Ia/+0) 197
Ken Burns came to my local high school to talk to students about the documentary, as I live in a Massachusetts town that saw early action in the Revolution. No word on whether John Locke or the Iroquois were more influential to Franklin.
Posted by: Lex at December 06, 2025 01:54 PM (y4H1r) 198
The real grin is that Royko moved to the Tribune when Rupert Murdoch bought the Field publications, because, while he had sworn that he would never work for the Trib, he loathed Murdoch more. There's a story (too lazy to look up) that Royko rode an elevator in the S-T building with one of the Field heirs right after the sale was announced and blasted him practically out of the elevator.
Posted by: Nazdar ----- Thanks for the true story. Mine was garbled because I read his syndicated column in the local rag, not the original papers where they were first published. Posted by: whig at December 06, 2025 01:57 PM (WDjG6) 199
The worldview of the left can be mostly summed up with the phrase 'I hate you, Dad!'.
Yeah. And the worldview of the right is mostly "I forgive you, Dad". Posted by: The Slow Decline at December 06, 2025 01:57 PM (k2Vk4) 200
I've very disappointed that Burns ignored the critical contributions by transgender people, without whom we would still be speaking the King's English.
Posted by: p-squared at December 06, 2025 01:58 PM (0prFs) Posted by: Nazdar at December 06, 2025 02:00 PM (NcvvS) 202
'Coal minings a wonderful thing, Father!'
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone Not hardly. It's a struggle every day. A regular Mine Kampf! Posted by: Ned From Newcastle at December 06, 2025 02:01 PM (oftw2) 203
199 The worldview of the left can be mostly summed up with the phrase 'I hate you, Dad!'.
Yeah. And the worldview of the right is mostly "I forgive you, Dad". Posted by: The Slow Decline at December 06, 2025 01:57 PM (k2Vk4) The worldview of the TradCon right is mostly "Dad beat me and I turned out fine so I'm going to beat you so you'll turn out fine. Also, because God." Posted by: Ah the good old days at December 06, 2025 02:03 PM (TbWk/) 204
My pleasure, whig. Of course, he printed the story in the Sun-Times just before his departure.
Posted by: Nazdar at December 06, 2025 02:05 PM (NcvvS) 205
It's on PBS? Pfffft screw that, never gonna watch.
Posted by: Brometheus at December 06, 2025 02:13 PM (XQPCp) 206
In before the guy that overshares!
Posted by: toby928(c) at December 06, 2025 02:15 PM (jc0TO) Posted by: Alex Holz at December 06, 2025 02:29 PM (rbKtB) 208
and Texas Tech goes up two TDs late to try and get the CFP committee out of a cleft stick of their own cutting.
Posted by: toby928(c) at December 06, 2025 02:31 PM (jc0TO) 209
The notion that the Founders, and Enlightenment Europeans in general, got a lot of their ideal from observing the loosely democratic tribal confederations and decision-making processes among North American Indians is popularized in "The Dawn of Everything (2021) by Graeber and Wengrow. I'll bet Burns has read it. I found it interesting, but don't have enough subject matter knowledge to know if it's got a solid foundation or relies primarily on cherry-picked and anecdotal evidence.
Posted by: Bryan at December 06, 2025 02:42 PM (SCSMo) 210
As I posted a review of a video up top, the Leftists H8 the country so no Revolutionary War movie about why their was a war will ever be made.
Make a move on the Constitution and you will have one about the Revolution. Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 02:58 PM (Ia/+0) 211
The FBI apprehended the J6 pipe bomber, something the Biden FBI had somehow been unable to do. Weirdly, he turned out to be a left-wing extremist.
Mike Benz pointed out this morning that in the actual aftermath of J5/J6 the FBI released a statement pointing out the rare fancy Nikes the bomber was wearing and then did nothing to track them down. I would assume that was a signal to the bomber to stop wearing them. Posted by: Ian S. at December 06, 2025 03:04 PM (QZThv) 212
TTU has been bringing it all season!!!
Posted by: lin-duh at December 06, 2025 03:13 PM (VCgbV) 213
Lots of articles on how the Democrats/ Marxists Propaganda Ministry is turning a Black Leftists into a White MAGA Trumper
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2025 03:19 PM (Ia/+0) 214
CONGRATULATIONS TEXAS TECH!!!!🏈🏈
Posted by: lin-duh at December 06, 2025 03:24 PM (VCgbV) 215
The FBI apprehended the J6 pipe bomber, something the Biden FBI had somehow been unable to do. Weirdly, he turned out to be a left-wing extremist.
Mike Benz pointed out this morning that in the actual aftermath of J5/J6 the FBI released a statement pointing out the rare fancy Nikes the bomber was wearing and then did nothing to track them down. I would assume that was a signal to the bomber to stop wearing them. ------ Yes. And once upon a time "independent journalists" would have seized on that tip and raced to identify the perp. It would have been quite the prize to have beat the FBI to the punch, and comparatively easy too since the Biden-era FBI wanted no part of solving this case. Posted by: Crusader at December 06, 2025 03:36 PM (TN0g+) 216
They tracked him down and when they found out he was black and gay and autistic, they buried it.
Posted by: no one at December 06, 2025 04:37 PM (W7XSX) 217
123 "Because George liked power."
Yes, but he also liked pussy, and decided to work on becoming more the literal Father of His Country as he grew older. I mean, nobody's gonna shoot the First President just because he tapped your old lady! Many would have seen it as an honor! Posted by: Ray Van Dune at December 06, 2025 05:14 PM (FpP3s) 218
When I toured Alaska, our guide said all the green we saw in the bay where we were whale watching was because eagles ate salmon, dropped them in the bare rocks, and they created the biomass that allowed vegetation to begin forming and building.
I'm sure the Iroquois could figure out that same thing: plants like fish biomass. They don't understand the scientific WHY, nitrogen and all that, but they saw it works. Also the three sisters thing, plant beans corn and squash together, does work. They have a symbiotic relationship. Agriculture in general is delayed gratification: I plant these seeds now, later I see a harvest. I plant a fish under my corn instead of just eating the fish now, my corn grows taller and bigger. And then I can use the corn to survive the winter. It does scholars absolutely no credit to be honest about the Iriquois' planting prowess, and then go a step too far and say "the native Americans inspired the concept of democracy." It negates everything historically true, and makes them look like lazy woke fools. (Which they are, but for Pete's sake, don't PROVE it beyond all doubt!) Posted by: LizLem at December 06, 2025 05:38 PM (gWBY1) The
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The (Almost) Complete Paul Anka Integrity Kick
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Paul Anka Haiku Contest Announcement Integrity SAT's: Entrance Exam for Paul Anka's Band AllahPundit's Paul Anka 45's Collection AnkaPundit: Paul Anka Takes Over the Site for a Weekend (Continues through to Monday's postings) George Bush Slices Don Rumsfeld Like an F*ckin' Hammer Top Top Tens
Democratic Forays into Erotica New Shows On Gore's DNC/MTV Network Nicknames for Potatoes, By People Who Really Hate Potatoes Star Wars Euphemisms for Self-Abuse Signs You're at an Iraqi "Wedding Party" Signs Your Clown Has Gone Bad Signs That You, Geroge Michael, Should Probably Just Give It Up Signs of Hip-Hop Influence on John Kerry NYT Headlines Spinning Bush's Jobs Boom Things People Are More Likely to Say Than "Did You Hear What Al Franken Said Yesterday?" Signs that Paul Krugman Has Lost His Frickin' Mind All-Time Best NBA Players, According to Senator Robert Byrd Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran Signs That David Letterman Just Doesn't Care Anymore Examples of Bob Kerrey's Insufferable Racial Jackassery Signs Andy Rooney Is Going Senile Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance Collective Names for Groups of People John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive" Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments John Edwards Campaign Excuses John Kerry Pick-Up Lines Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney Torments in Dog-Hell Greatest Hitjobs
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny More Margaret Cho Abuse Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed" Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means Wonkette's Stand-Up Act Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report! Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet The House of Love: Paul Krugman A Michael Moore Mystery (TM) The Dowd-O-Matic! Liberal Consistency and Other Myths Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate "Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long) The Donkey ("The Raven" parody) News/Chat
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