Gun Thread: Final Trump Edition [Weasel]

Howdy, y'all, and welcome to the ol' Sunday Gun Thread! It's time once again to gather 'round and discuss guns, gun stuff, and shooting. I have to admit I'm more than a little sad at the thought this will be the last Gun Thread with our beloved President Trump at the helm. What will next week bring us? How soon will it take the assault on our Second Amendment rights to begin? I have to assume it will not be pleasant, nor long in the making. This being the hand we were dealt, however, we're just going to have to figure out ways to make the best of it and to continue doing the things that we like to do under a much different set of circumstances. All is not lost. There are a lot of guns and gun owners in this country, and I suspect few are willing to just accept the new rules, whatever they happen to be.

With that, let's head below and see what we have this week, shall we?

I had a few things to say last week which generated a lot of response both in the comments and at the new Gun Thread email address. Most of it was positive, which is always nice, and virtually all of it was constructive, which I really do appreciate. Truth is, I sort of rely on those who disagree with what I write to keep me on my toes. Anyhow, a number of you took issue with my suggesting consideration be given to adopting a "Gray Man" strategy, which left me sort of scratching my head and prompted me to go back and look at what I'd written. Although I said I was in no way suggesting anyone abandon their beliefs, it appears a few of you interpreted my comments as suggesting exactly that, or at a minimum advocating not advancing our cause. Nothing could be further from the truth. The point I was making, or at least trying to make, was simply to be smart about the things you say and how you conduct yourselves both online and publicly in the real world, especially now. Big Brother really is watching you.

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First up, I suppose you have heard the National Rifle Association has declared Chapter 11 Bankruptcy, in a stated effort to reorganize themselves out of being a New York Corporation, and into being a Texas Corporation, among other things. Not having looked at their balance sheet, I have no idea what their financial health is, but absolutely understand the desire to get the hell out of New York State and away from it's hostile AG and regulatory environment.

I have been an NRA Life Member for years and have to wonder if it's just simply become too large and bureaucratic in its current form. I suppose it can't hurt to have them around, but I am no longer as big a supporter as I once was. That may be unfair, but when their primary function appears to be fundraising and trinket distribution, it's hard for me to take them too seriously. The Competition Division does good work and I'm sure some good work also goes on in their lobbying effort, but with society becoming increasingly polarized on the gun issue, I can't help but wonder how useful that really is anymore. Instead, I do support my state level NRA affiliate organization, and groups like Gun Owners of America who seem to represent a good alternative to the NRA.

What do you all think? Am I full of shit?

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Next up, you all certainly remember our pal and delightful 'ette screaming in digital who recently became a gun owner and dangerous radicalized gun nut! I thought it'd be nice to hear her thoughts on the process of going from gun neutral to gun ownership and have it serve as a guide for others. Here's what she has to tell us.

I was afraid of guns most of my life and had virtually no experience or knowledge as of election day. I finally decided to buy a gun because I didn't want to be completely without physical defenses and I'm not sure how much longer we'll be able to buy guns. I procrastinated for a long time because the process felt overwhelming. But I knew one thing from lurking here and gun owners I know: most shooters LOVE to help beginners. All I needed was the courage (or, more accurately, to get fed up enough, which is a reasonable substitute for courage) to walk into a store and ask.
I asked a friend who had prior experience to go along and help me ask the right questions. I initially thought I should buy a rifle, since it had felt more comfortable to me the ONE TIME I'd been shooting. I live in Wyoming. I didn't research gun buying laws before going to the store. We went to the Sportsman's Warehouse that recently opened in our town. A very knowledgeable young man showed me rifles in my price range that are easy for beginners and patiently answered all my questions. I was about to choose a pistol caliber carbine when he encouraged me to hold off and do more research. I asked if there was a range nearby that offered rentals, and he recommended a range in Casper that also offers training. Finally he recommended that we both get pepper spray, and we did, but I left without a gun.
My friend called the range that day. We took a women's basic pistol class a week later. After training, I reconsidered a handgun. I know that a pistol isn't necessarily the best choice for home defense, but this may be the only firearm I can ever afford to buy. I don't plan to carry until I've had more practice and training, but I wanted something I could concealed carry.
Now... which pistol to choose? I'd like to tell you I did exhaustive research, but I didn't. I'm a librarian; I like searching and sorting through lots of information, but considering my ignorance in this field, I deliberately kept it simple to avoid decision paralysis.
I searched phrases like "best pistols for beginners" and "best pistols for small hands." I read several articles reviewing various pistols and cross-referenced against items in stock according to the store's website. I wanted to stay close to $500 for the gun, knowing I'd also need ammo (and other accoutrements). I found this article from Pew Pew Tactical especially helpful.
The Glock 19 (and 17) were highly recommended, but not in stock at my store. The Sig Sauer P320 was also mentioned in several places. I started following this trail and found the Sig P365, in stock for $500. Reviewers praised it as a great daily carry, easy for beginners, not a lot of recoil, accurate and reliable. I had a couple other models in mind in case it wasn't available or I didn't like the feel. The P365 was available when I got to the store, and the staff highly recommended it. I handled several different models, but selected the P365. I know I should shoot the actual model before buying, but the closest range that offers rentals is 2 hours away, and I felt like I'd waited too long already.
Making the purchase was easy. I had to show ID and complete a form, but nothing unexpected, aside from the question about being a "mental defective... I'm a Moron(ette), does that count? There's no waiting period in Wyoming. I walked out that day with my pistol.
Sometimes I wonder if this isn't a symbolic and meaningless exercise on my part. How can a mousy, middle-aged, (mostly) harmless gal with a tiny pistol be of any use if the SHTF or even to defend myself? Honestly, I don't know. Ultimately I must remember my refuge, strength and hope is in the Lord and this is a spiritual battle. I pray I can learn to stand firm against evil however I'm called to do so.

And this, folks, is how that is done. If any of you are considering buying a gun for the first time, this is the script to follow. Yes, it's great to try before you buy but that's not always possible, and I'm of the opinion we sometimes overthink this whole thing a little bit, anyway. Do your research, take an introductory class, talk to gun owners you know, and find a gun shop where the staff takes the time to answer questions. Shoot the same type gun if you can, but if you cannot it's not the end of the world. The important thing is arming yourself if that is what you want to do.

I bigly huge thank you to screaming in digital for taking the time to send this in, and again, welcome to gun ownership and the Gun Thread!

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Next up we have a great submission from our pal No Nic Given. Weasel ain't no engineer, and this sounds engineerish as the dickens, but at the same time very interesting.

Back when Polymer 80 released their P80 in (I think 2015) I was one of the first to sign up to build a G17. I enjoyed shooting it and managed to get probably 500-750 rounds through the first body before I broke the back rails which were polymer at the time. Fast forward to last year and I have now built a gaggle of P80 lowers into fully functional Glock clones none of which I would hesitate to EDC. In fact, in the colder days this year I'm as likely to pick up my G19 clone as I am my Sig P365.
On to the matter at hand. About six months ago, my son saved up and bought a 3D Printer with my facilitation and proceeded to print about half dozen things with it and then promptly stuck it in the back of his closet. Both he and I forgot about it. I think I printed one thing and it was a beer opener with a counter on it for the dock at the lake.
In October of this year I was itching to get a Strike Industries P80 frame because I thought they looked sweet (and really, can one ever have too many unregistered pistols?) and while goofing around looking for parts which are increasingly difficult to come by, I came across the printed pistol phenomenon.
Now, I'm an engineer by education so I was skeptical but still curious so I commandeered the printer, loaded it up and printed my first G17 lower. It made it about fifty 9mm rounds before it failed but I noticed it failed in a fairly predictable spot right where the trigger guard connected to the body just above the mag release.
Long story short, my problem was with both the materials I was using as well as the print orientation I chose.
For the past three months I've printed about a dozen guns with only a few failures at the front end. The three shown here are all G19 copies from a few different files easily found on the Internet. The yellow (which will shortly be embossed with the Gadsen Snek and "Don't Tread on Me") just had its 1000th (or so) round put through it with hardly a mar or an overly elongated pin hole on it. I added the Spartan helmet on the magwell in Fusion360. I'm tickled to pieces at how well it has held up! The other two have had 300-500 rounds each put through them again, with limited wear. The red one has the most visible signs of use and I blame that one on the material (PETG).

I'm printing with a Creality Ender 3 that my son bought off the Bay for about $150 and using a variety of filament (PLA, Carbon Infused Nylon, PETG) but my favorite is eSun's PLA+. It's very workable and seems to avoid the brittle factor I find in standard PLA. I'm bending or milling my own rails out of aluminum depending on the frame and mostly using stock Glock OEM lower parts. The upper parts are all over the map in terms of vendors. I think the yellow gun is 'mostly' Glock OEM internals with an aftermarket Lonewolf trigger.
So far I've printed G17's and G19's but am about to tackle an AR and a CZ EVO Scorpion next.
Would I trust these guns in a defensive gun use? Yes. If I had to.
Heck, I'm the one who put them together and really haven't had issues since I got my 'additive manufacturing' process dialed in more than I do on any OEM striker fired guns I own. But now I have the means and capability to defend my loved ones and property that can never be denied me. That's a pretty cool feeling.
I'm having a blast, literally and figuratively, and building my own guns has caused me to get into casting my own bullets and reloading more than I ever did before. I went to Wal Mart the other day for an oil change and the guy in the tire shop gave me about 50 lbs of assorted wheel weights when I asked him if he would give me any. Now if he only had some small pistol primers I'm down to 10,000. But, maybe this is another post for the future, I am going to try my hand at making my own primer powder. I've probably saved 10,000 caps and anvils.
Any moron who wants to reach out to me can and I'll point them in the right direction assuming it's legal in their local jurisdiction.

I must admit to knowing next to nothing about the 3D printing process, so, like I said, very interesting! Aren't hobbies fun? Just think of all the useful objects one could make! From what I gather, it's been legal to manufacture your own firearms for years, but there are still rules that can get you into big trouble if not followed, so make sure you're not printing yourself a problem.

What do you all think? Any other gunsmiths out there? If you're interested in learning more, NNG has generously offered to help. Just drop me an email with FORWARD TO NNG on the subject line and I will pass your message along to them.

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Next up, our pal and COB extraordinaire MisHum sends us the following article from The National Interest.

A design more than 100 years old, the 1911 remains a shooter favorite and I am a big fan. Are you? Thank you MisHum!

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Next up we have a note from our pal Catch Thirty-Thr33 who shares another shooting analysis system. This one is certainly different from the rest and even works with live fire.

I listen to a radio show out of Lubbock called "Pratt on Texas", which mostly focuses on Texas politics. But the host, Robert Pratt, loves his guns. He even has a feature called the "anti-wimp update" which features instances of gun usage in the name of self defense. Anyways, he got on the show yesterday raving about something called Mantis. I looked into this and though I cannot afford this just yet, the concept looks very intriguing to say the least. You attach a tracking device to your gun and download the app, and get them both in communication with each other via Bluetooth. From there, depending on which model you get, you can use it for dry firing, live firing, and there is even a model available for use on shotguns. I figure using every single advantage to attain proficiency is necessary, and things like this can only help.

Anyone have one of the several Mantis systems and care to share their thoughts?

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Some time ago our pal and delightful 'ette lin-duh sent in this handgun video and I think it's a good one, so for those of you who missed it before, here 'tis again.

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Here's a video from or pals at Brownells on long-term storage bags to protect firearms and other accessories.

The prices aren't great but they're not outrageous, either. There are also heavy food grade vacuum seal bags widely available in a variety of sizes that would be a good option for things you might want to put away for some time.

Here's a guy who had the same idea.

Anyone have thoughts on the use of the vapor tabs versus vacuum sealing? Any other helpful home storage solutions?

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Link-O-Rama

I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA

***Mail Bag***

This week's entry is from our pal Fungus Boy. Possible MoMe doorprize candidate?

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

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1 bang!

Posted by: redc1c4 (Biden Cheated!) at January 17, 2021 07:00 PM (8TU7E)

2 it's grey in here.... must be gun smoke!

Posted by: redc1c4 (Biden Cheated!) at January 17, 2021 07:01 PM (8TU7E)

3 Hi

Posted by: Oh look! squirrel at January 17, 2021 07:01 PM (64PZ4)

4 Cease fire! It's to smokey

Posted by: Skip at January 17, 2021 07:01 PM (Cxk7w)

5 looks ok to me!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 07:02 PM (MVjcR)

6 don't box me in!

Posted by: Anachronda, behind the Newsom curtain at January 17, 2021 07:02 PM (5br8a)

7 I see that the NRA is unincorporating in New York under Chapter 11 rules, and reincorporating in the State of Texas. Not sure how that's done but OK . . .

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at January 17, 2021 07:02 PM (cm3ms)

8 Darn, perused the content.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at January 17, 2021 07:02 PM (R5lpX)

9 Darn, perused the content.
Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at January 17, 2021 07:02 PM (R5lpX)
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radical!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 07:03 PM (MVjcR)

10 someone turned on the HVAC...

Posted by: redc1c4 (Biden Cheated!) at January 17, 2021 07:03 PM (8TU7E)

11 hiya

Posted by: JT at January 17, 2021 07:03 PM (arJlL)

12 IANAL, but AIUI, by devolving the NY corporation, the AG there has no grounds to sue them any more.

and Texas is obviously a more friendly environment for them, at least for now.

Posted by: redc1c4 (Biden Cheated!) at January 17, 2021 07:05 PM (8TU7E)

13 Sorry, Weasel - should have read the complete post!

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at January 17, 2021 07:05 PM (cm3ms)

14 My, what a large content you have! Back in a bit.

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at January 17, 2021 07:06 PM (Iw46i)

15 Bad Skip hasn't figured out if my 1911 issue with the old magazines and what their problem is, dirt, oil or worn out.

Posted by: Skip at January 17, 2021 07:06 PM (Cxk7w)

16 Sorry, Weasel - should have read the complete post!
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at January 17, 2021 07:05 PM (cm3ms)
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Nobody does that!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 07:06 PM (MVjcR)

17 fun times: i managed to snap the index pin off an AR barrel just now... (long story). guess i'm going to be able to still use it, just have to be more careful about gas tube alignment naow...

any advice/pointers welcome.

Posted by: redc1c4 (Biden Cheated!) at January 17, 2021 07:07 PM (8TU7E)

18 Weasel, one thing I have learned in life; never ask "Am I full of shit?". Because, people WILL answer. LOL.
But, you aren't.

Posted by: navybrat, soaking up the fog at January 17, 2021 07:07 PM (w7KSn)

19 Posted by: navybrat, soaking up the fog at January 17, 2021 07:07 PM (w7KSn)
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That's OK - I hear it a lot!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 07:08 PM (MVjcR)

20 They already made a movie about the gubbermint coming for my guns. From the same title as the 1965 Dave Clark Five song.

"Catch Me If You Can".

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 17, 2021 07:08 PM (sy5kK)

21 Thanks for another great thread, Weasel!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 17, 2021 07:08 PM (kTF2Z)

22 Hello Weasel and fellow pew pew fanatics!! No range report today, but seeing I have off Monday and Tuesday I am looking to head to an indoor range and brush the cobwebs off the Sig.
Weasel, in regards to the "Gray Man" strategy, I think that is something like myself can use here in the Peoples Republic of New York City. The NRA is smart packing its bags up and getting the hell out of this State. I myself am looking at being here another 6 years before I pack up and head to Texas.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 17, 2021 07:09 PM (mcfjc)

23 That picture of Trump hurts me. I hurt for him. I hurt for us. So much sacrifice and abuse he's taken for us. His rightful place is in the White House.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 17, 2021 07:09 PM (O+I8R)

24 Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 17, 2021 07:08 PM (kTF2Z)
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Thanks Duke!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 07:09 PM (MVjcR)

25 Question for the horde- whats a fair amount of time for a gun Smith to replace a stock, blue, and replace the trigger guard for a 60 yo non antique shotgun? 8s 7 months too long? I took my dad's old shotgun to a place near me, and they just finished it after having it since July.

Posted by: Mishdog at January 17, 2021 07:09 PM (F/Rk0)

26 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 17, 2021 07:09 PM (mcfjc)
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Howdy, bro!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 07:10 PM (MVjcR)

27 Posted by: Lady in Black at January 17, 2021 07:09 PM (O+I8R)
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Yep.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 07:11 PM (MVjcR)

28 Gray Man Strategy .... just blend in. I had to search for what it meant.

I was a little slow in getting my pump shotgun and MP-15 ... should have both in hand this week. I'm OK with mentioning it, because surely NSA and the rest know what I buy on my credit card. And voicing it should be done "loud and proud" by millions. But I think the "go into hiding" approach is probably not helpful. Some things should be secret, or held close to the vest ...

Certainly any talk of who to attack ... anything illegal ... well, that day may come, but no point talking like that here. "We" are still talking in the open about what Real Americans are doing in our Real Life of Liberty. ... imo the DC crowd is out of touch, but there are way too many "Karens" infiltrating the normies ... that is for sure.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 17, 2021 07:12 PM (Cus5s)

29 Anyone have one of the several Mantis systems and care to share their thoughts?
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it just screams OPSEC VIOLATION... an app on your phone, and one on your firearm, tracking your training and usage? that is data that can, and will, be used against you one day. the DA who wants to hang murder 1 on you for a SD shoot? he'll cream his manties when he sees that.

Posted by: redc1c4 (Biden Cheated!) at January 17, 2021 07:12 PM (8TU7E)

30 So, big MSN Headline, pro Trump GUNMAN arrested in DC.

Ok, Black Guy, always carries, lives in VA.

Article said one of the charges was for UNREGISTERED AMMUNITION? WTF is that?

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 17, 2021 07:12 PM (oHd/0)

31 Weasel brings a gun thread to the knife thread.

Posted by: Malone at January 17, 2021 07:13 PM (l3+k2)

32 Posted by: redc1c4 (Biden Cheated!) at January 17, 2021 07:12 PM (8TU7E)
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I kinda wondered about that too.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 07:13 PM (MVjcR)

33 Posted by: Mishdog at January 17, 2021 07:09 PM (F/Rk0)

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every shop i know is buried in smithing j*bs, and some aren't even accepting new w*rk at this time.

Posted by: redc1c4 (Biden Cheated!) at January 17, 2021 07:14 PM (8TU7E)

34 Im assuming the name of this weekly post will change to "How I Lost All My Ammo and Firearms Due To Kayaking Misadventure". At least thats what Im telling the ATF Goodwill and Brotherhood rep when he stops by..

Posted by: THE Lonebadger at January 17, 2021 07:16 PM (lIDCz)

35 Homie don't like apps that know about guns or anything else.

Posted by: Richard Cranium at January 17, 2021 07:16 PM (Os1jf)

36 Im assuming the name of this weekly post will change to "How I Lost All My Ammo and Firearms Due To Kayaking Misadventure". At least thats what Im telling the ATF Goodwill and Brotherhood rep when he stops by..
Posted by: THE Lonebadger at January 17, 2021 07:16 PM (lIDCz)
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Ha! It may be a little late for me to take my own advice!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 07:17 PM (MVjcR)

37 Hey, you want good, or you want fast?

Posted by: Local gunsmithy at January 17, 2021 07:17 PM (w7KSn)

38 Man, What a depressing headline! Wife and I are finally taking the plunge and purchasing our first home/personal defense semi-auto (or gun of any type). Newbie but have done lot of research. Inventory and prices are crazy and its definitely a seller's market. Many of the models I'd like aren't in the budget, especially when you consider ammo, lessons, and range fees. The ones I'm going to make my final choice from are:

Taurus G3 (possibly the G3c or G2c), EAA Girsan MC23SA, SDS Zirgana PX-9
Canik TP Models (though they suddenly shot through roof pricewise), Ruger Security 9

Also on the bubble:
Stoeger STR9, Sar-9, S&W SD9VE

Throwing myself on the knowledge and experience of the horde. Seems like opinions on "cheap" (inexpensive) semi-automatics vary wildly. Thanks, all.

Posted by: Mongo, Pawn in Game of Life at January 17, 2021 07:17 PM (Mot8j)

39 "How I Lost All My Ammo and Firearms Due To Kayaking Misadventure"

I lost all mine when they fell out of the back of my pick up. Bumpy road.

Posted by: davidt at January 17, 2021 07:17 PM (l3+k2)

40 Article said one of the charges was for UNREGISTERED AMMUNITION? WTF is that?

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 17, 2021 07:12 PM (oHd/0)

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if it'd the same story, he's a security guard, hired by a place there in DC. firearm was in plain sight of the cop when they decided his credentials were insufficient. how did he NOT know what DC ammo and gun laws were is beyond me.

Posted by: redc1c4 (Biden Cheated!) at January 17, 2021 07:17 PM (8TU7E)

41 I hope PDT practices with his firearms as much as with his golf clubs during retirement. I also hope someone gifts him with a magnificent handgun, befitting a true Commander-in-Chief.

Posted by: EveR at January 17, 2021 07:17 PM (R0z7P)

42 Question for the horde- whats a fair amount of time for a gun Smith to replace a stock, blue, and replace the trigger guard for a 60 yo non antique shotgun? 8s 7 months too long?

Yeah that seems like a long time to me but one thing to know is that bluing is a job that takes a lot of set up and a 'smith would prefer to have several pieces prepped and ready to go to make the most of it. Also, one thing I have learned never to say to a 'smith or a mechanic is "Nah, I'm not in any hurry" because they'll surely take you at your word.

Posted by: Oddbob (nee Bob the Bilderberg) at January 17, 2021 07:17 PM (qc+VF)

43 Ohk. Just skimmed. I'll go back and read in detail later.

1. NRA - Concur with the trinkets and things comments. If they spent half the $$ on doing sh1t, as opposed to fundraising, I might be more inclined to re-join. But quit spamming me. also, bankruptcy in NY allows them to reincorporate in TX and avoid the NY AG assault, I think

2. I've done several Poly 80 Lowers for ARs I like them, but I prefer the 80% Arms jig. They have a new one out. I'm still using the v2

3. Hey, Weasel, you COULD show off the 1911 pics I sent a while back. (hint, hint, nudge, nudge)

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at January 17, 2021 07:18 PM (Iw46i)

44 Hey, Weasel, you COULD show off the 1911 pics I sent a while back. (hint, hint, nudge, nudge)

McGyver, over
Posted by: McGyver at January 17, 2021 07:18 PM (Iw46i)
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making a note!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 07:19 PM (MVjcR)

45 Yay gub thread!

Weasel, thanks again.

I'd like to thank and shout out to Jim Sunk New Dawn for introducing me to the term "Irish Democracy." I've known for many years about Irish Diplomacy, which is the ability to tell someone to go to hell and have them look forward to the trip.

Irish Democracy is the "the silent, dogged resistance, withdrawal, and truculence of millions of ordinary people - than by revolutionary vanguards or rioting mobs." Apropos for Weasel's Grey Man strategy.

Posted by: Numbuh Two, 2x4 Technology Operative at January 17, 2021 07:20 PM (YWBlw)

46 It took a gunsmith 4 months to install an ambidextrous safety and a set of Trijicon sights on my LW Commander. Not a complicated job -- he just was backed up with work.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at January 17, 2021 07:21 PM (cm3ms)

47 My S&W full size 9mm "prints" too much with OWB carry. I do have a "Sticky Holster" for it which allows me to carry pistol in kidney area IWB. Just uncomfortable while driving.

Makes me want to get the Taurus PT-111 fixed. Somehow I screwed it up putting it back together after cleaning.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at January 17, 2021 07:23 PM (R5lpX)

48 Mrs Old Blue gifted me a Springfield Armory 1911 .45 acp after I got out of the hospital with my cancer surgery. I love the gun, but unlike any of my other pistols, I tend to shoot low and left with it. With my age and arthritis, I don't know if it's more gun than I can handle. I can't engage the thumb safety with my right hand, I have to use my left hand to engage it.

Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at January 17, 2021 07:23 PM (VNmG1)

49 Also, one thing I have learned never to say to a 'smith or a mechanic is "Nah, I'm not in any hurry" because they'll surely take you at your word.
Posted by: Oddbob (nee Bob the Bilderberg) at January 17, 2021 07:17 PM (qc+VF)

Agreed, and if you want to get a car restored, same thing applies.
A buddy wanted to restore a '77 Celica, actually a rare car. The 6 month job turned out to be 2 years. And the restorer did some shoddy work in some places. I did warn him not to go with just the lowest price quote, but he didn't listen to me.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 17, 2021 07:23 PM (sy5kK)

50 A kind Moron offered me some .22LR for my pistol, so I took him up on it. Thanks again! In checking out the range times, I found they had an opening in their beginner's class this month! I signed right up. Taking the Wednesday off for the class. Added bonus is that I will feel comfortable going back to the range and I should know how to clean my own gun.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at January 17, 2021 07:23 PM (YynYJ)

51 OK, last time for this piece of spam-posting and I'll let it go.

I am changing my AoSHQ nic to "Oddbob" (no space, no CamelCase). 1) The Bob the Builder reference is dated, 2) somehow conspiracy theories just aren't as funny to me as they once were, and 3) oddly enough, joking about the Bilderbergs actually seems to make a few folks uncomfortable. Also, I'm just kind of tired of it.

I will note the change in the nic below for a week or so. After that, you'll have to remember who I used to be in the off chance that you care.

Posted by: Oddbob (nee Bob the Bilderberg) at January 17, 2021 07:24 PM (qc+VF)

52 Made things go bang but had lots of troubles. First the AR 15 was in single shot mode. I think I may have broken it by putting on a new rear plate with sling rings. Because the buffer seems to be not working well, it's not extracting most times and when it does it's not picking the next round off the mag. So I think the buffer spring is too tight or binding. Sadz.

Posted by: blaster at January 17, 2021 07:24 PM (hSbxH)

53 Posted by: Numbuh Two, 2x4 Technology Operative at January 17, 2021 07:20 PM (YWBlw)
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My pleasure!!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 07:25 PM (MVjcR)

54 31 Weasel brings a gun thread to the knife thread.
Posted by: Malone at January 17, 2021 07:13 PM (l3+k2)

They don't call him "Professor" Weasel for nothing.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 17, 2021 07:25 PM (sy5kK)

55 I like that coffee cup....would make a great gift!

This week was Carcano week. Don't laugh!

I zeroed my M41 and my M91 Cavalry carbine out to 25 then 100 yards. I use a Williams Gun Sight Company universal front sight tool to push the front sight blade to get the correct windage then I have to bury the front sight post in the v-notch to get the elevation down as the battle sights are set at 200 meters.

The Carcano is an old design but a nice shooter with light recoil. Now that I got them zeroed I will see what they can hit out to 600 yards.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 17, 2021 07:25 PM (R/m4+)

56 Anyone watch the Pence speech? Any good clues in it?

Posted by: Taqiyyologist (bofa/deez) at January 17, 2021 07:25 PM (OssQ4)

57 "Bang! Bang! Bang!"

-- Jesse James, in his only appearance on The Brady Bunch

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 17, 2021 07:26 PM (vuisn)

58 sgammo has .44 Russian ammo in stock - .44 special and .44 Mag came from this cartridge in the same way .357 mag came from .38 special. Its a cowboy load - 247 grain at 750 fps but thats pretty similar to the common loading for .455 Webley which was considered rather effective. For a Charter Bulldog .44 it would do alright. I mentioned this the other night but it was late.

Posted by: rww at January 17, 2021 07:26 PM (VfevO)

59 My P95 that NEVER fails failed. FTE on first round. After that it was all good

Posted by: blaster at January 17, 2021 07:26 PM (hSbxH)

60 Friend just received his MantisX and said the dry fire worked great. When he took it to the range for live fire his scoring was lower than the dry fire even though he was making center hits. He's going to call their help line and give me an update shortly.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 17, 2021 07:27 PM (2DOZq)

61 My biggest regret, so far, is not learning about 3-D printing.

Seriously.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at January 17, 2021 07:27 PM (3H9h1)

62 I looked at the firearm licenses that were given to me by NYC for my handgun and rifle. I thought they were good for 5 years, I was wrong, 3 years.So come 2022 I have to submit renewal paperwork and documentation but not before they notify ME to do so.Why do I get the feeling there will be delays in doing this making the potential for me to become a felon in the eyes of NYC due to their incompetence or desire to make every citizen a victim.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 17, 2021 07:27 PM (mcfjc)

63
Geezuuuz.
Russian steel 9mm for nearly $700 a case.
Just a year ago, 9mm brass target was $300 a case.
It's only going to get worse.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 17, 2021 07:28 PM (sy5kK)

64 The 30-30 got mad with fast lever action we figured out how to take it slow. The 22s were rock solid. Shooting some 22 short target rounds out of the revolver it was like a BB gun. The lever gun held I dunno about a 100 rds or something you could just keep shooting it.

Posted by: blaster at January 17, 2021 07:28 PM (hSbxH)

65 Gun Thread Compliance Pics

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Posted by: kbdabear at January 17, 2021 07:28 PM (qAR6u)

66 This being the hand we were dealt...

If by "dealt", you mean the dealer spread the cards face up on the table then picked five that didn't match and handed them to us while grabbing a royal flush for himself, then demanded everyone ante up.

Posted by: Methos at January 17, 2021 07:28 PM (kOpft)

67 I've supported the Second Amendment Foundation for all of two years now, under the impression (SAF claims) that they do good work.

Will look at GOA now, also.

Posted by: JM in Florida at January 17, 2021 07:29 PM (aTXto)

68 Why do I get the feeling there will be delays in doing this making the potential for me to become a felon in the eyes of NYC due to their incompetence or desire to make every citizen a victim.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 17, 2021 07:27 PM (mcfjc)

Because you are smart.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 17, 2021 07:29 PM (sy5kK)

69 Posted by: kbdabear at January 17, 2021 07:28 PM (qAR6u)
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I'm honored!!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 07:29 PM (MVjcR)

70 I will note the change in the nic below for a week
or so. After that, you'll have to remember who I used to be in the off
chance that you care.

Posted by: Oddbob (nee Bob the Bilderberg) at January 17, 2021 07:24 PM (qc+VF)

Who are you? Just kidding!!!! Hopefully I will see you again at the next TXMoMe.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 17, 2021 07:29 PM (mcfjc)

71 I definitely need to look into vacuum packing a lot of my prep cache. I've got 20 year old items in it that probably need to be rotated out.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 17, 2021 07:30 PM (2DOZq)

72 Hey y'all. We used the Mantis app in my basic pistol class for both dry fire and live fire practice. It was sort of cool to get a "score" and immediate feedback on what I might be doing wrong. As a noob, I didn't understand most of the feedback, and in a class setting it was difficult for me to evaluate the app. I noticed that it seemed to give my friend low to average scores even though her actual accuracy in live firing was pretty good. I also can't justify the cost right now. I'd be more willing to pay knowledgeable humans to train, observe and correct me in the stage I'm at right now.

Posted by: screaming in digital at January 17, 2021 07:30 PM (k42hV)

73 Gave my buddy some preCovid purchased 9 and 22 and he gave me some 45 since he had sold his and also a Wilson combat 10 rd mag. Good trade.

Posted by: blaster at January 17, 2021 07:30 PM (hSbxH)

74 More Gun Thread Compliance Pics

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Posted by: kbdabear at January 17, 2021 07:30 PM (qAR6u)

75 If screaming in digital is ever down Cheyenne way, I have several options we can take to the local range. As long as the freaking wind isn't blowing 100 mph.

Posted by: MH-53J at January 17, 2021 07:31 PM (7NmRg)

76 @kbdabear, brings the big guns to the gun thread.

Posted by: Malone at January 17, 2021 07:31 PM (l3+k2)

77 Posted by: screaming in digital at January 17, 2021 07:30 PM (k42hV)

See mine at #60.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 17, 2021 07:31 PM (2DOZq)

78 I have used the Mantis X system for over 2 years and it is great. I used it alot when I transitioned to DA/SA revolvers. It really helped work on my trigger work in DA. I highly recommend it.

Posted by: Zogger at January 17, 2021 07:31 PM (pJSvF)

79 Quick recommendation for screaming in digital or anyone else who bought or is buying a first firearm for defense: try to get into your local CCW class, if possible. For one, you should have it in case you need it. But even if the state's side of the paperwork is backed up six months, you really want to hear from the instructors (at the one I took, they had a defense attorney come in for a whole presentation) about when you can and can't use deadly force. Another good resource is Andrew Branca's Law of Self Defense, which will cover your state and others.

Yes, a suitably motivated prosecutor can still choose to make an example of you, but you don't have to make their job any easier, if you can help it.

Posted by: hogmartin at January 17, 2021 07:31 PM (t+qrx)

80 >>> 51 OK, last time for this piece of spam-posting and I'll let it go.

I am changing my AoSHQ nic to "Oddbob" (no space, no CamelCase). .....
Posted by: Oddbob (nee Bob the Bilderberg) at January 17, 2021 07:24 PM (qc+VF)

Well, now you are like most of the other Bobs who have their adjectives up front. ;P

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 17, 2021 07:32 PM (TK8Ry)

81 You know what's missing from this Gun Thread?

Video messages from the Executive Producer, and the Director of Backyard Security.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 17, 2021 07:32 PM (DMUuz)

82 Posted by: Zogger at January 17, 2021 07:31 PM (pJSvF)
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Good to know! Thank you and welcome to the Gun Thread!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 07:32 PM (MVjcR)

83 55 The Italians won some international service rifle competitions with the '91 rifle. A lot of gripes about Carcano inaccuracy are rooted in really piss poor to miserable quality control in their ammunition, even peace time stuff. Wartime would have serious discrepancies within lot numbers.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin at January 17, 2021 07:32 PM (I58tH)

84 Here is a PSA suggesting no moron should attend any more protests, since they are all set ups at this point. Things will spin out of control by design. There will be disturbances and violence and DJT supporters will get the blame whether we show up or not.

Posted by: navybrat, arms akimbo at January 17, 2021 07:32 PM (w7KSn)

85 Gun Thread Compliance Pics

Bonus that they aren't links to Twitter. Number 3 seems unadvisable. I've caught brass on my neck and back more than once shooting prone.

Posted by: Oddbob (nee Bob the Bilderberg) at January 17, 2021 07:32 PM (qc+VF)

86 New to reloading, took my first batch of 50 .45 to the range and alternated 5 round mags between those and factory ammo. Trying to feel or observe for any differences. No failures to feed, chamber, or fire.

Pretty satisfied with the experience start to finish and for the first time, I picked up all my brass. Took it home, inspected it (no issues), deprimed it and cleaned it. Ready for the next batch.

Thoughts on the gray man comment last week. I cleaned up my garage this weekend and took down some of the range trophy silhouettes from the wall. Also removed a couple stickers from the truck window.

Posted by: Uncle Si at January 17, 2021 07:33 PM (azhRd)

87 Hi OpenBlogger: Shot guns with my Dad at Alum Rock Park in San Jose back in the middle of the last century. Became a life member of the NRA in 2009 after Bathhouse Barry got elected. Never owned a gun of my own until about a month ago when I bought a SIG 229. Stocking up on ammo and did in fact go out to the range yesterday morning in the snow. It was a blast.

Keep doing what you are doing and thanks.

Posted by: Wade Hampton at January 17, 2021 07:33 PM (j6TQK)

88 Because you are smart.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 17, 2021 07:29 PM (sy5kK)

Now, now, let's not get ahead of ourselves. If I were smart I would have already made a nice sized nest egg that would have permitted me to leave now instead of waiting until 65.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 17, 2021 07:33 PM (mcfjc)

89 Nice informational gun thread today Weasel. Don't feel good, so no more from me today. Not sure about gray man strategy, have to do something because evil is about to ascend to power again. Maybe he'll be as stupid and lazy as the homosexual Kenyan, or the commies will start attacking each other and go to the icepicks and be too busy to get anything done. Too bad Romney et al still have a chance to screw things up for us....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at January 17, 2021 07:34 PM (7bRMQ)

90 Posted by: hogmartin at January 17, 2021 07:31 PM (t+qrx)
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Great point!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 07:34 PM (MVjcR)

91 Federal .308 M80 at $1.40 a round is apparently a bargain. :/

Posted by: Marcus T at January 17, 2021 07:34 PM (CyB2R)

92 >Number 3 seems unadvisable. I've caught brass on my neck and back more than once shooting prone.<

But the video would be great.

Posted by: davidt at January 17, 2021 07:34 PM (l3+k2)

93 66 This being the hand we were dealt...

If by "dealt", you mean the dealer spread the cards face up on the table then picked five that didn't match and handed them to us while grabbing a royal flush for himself, then demanded everyone ante up.
Posted by: Methos at January 17, 2021 07:28 PM (kOpft)
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Yep. That's the one.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 07:35 PM (MVjcR)

94 65 Gun Thread Compliance Pics
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Posted by: kbdabear at January 17, 2021 07:28 PM (qAR6u)

the New and Improved Gun Thread!
Now, with cheerleaders!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 17, 2021 07:35 PM (sy5kK)

95 See mine at #60.
Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 17, 2021 07:31 PM (2DOZq)
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Ah, that's good to know. I know I can't trust my own impressions but it didn't make sense to me.

Posted by: screaming in digital at January 17, 2021 07:35 PM (k42hV)

96 81 You know what's missing from this Gun Thread?

Video messages from the Executive Producer, and the Director of Backyard Security.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 17, 2021 07:32 PM (DMUuz)
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Agreed.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 07:35 PM (MVjcR)

97 I took out my SiG 220 today to fondle.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at January 17, 2021 07:35 PM (3H9h1)

98 How soon will it take the assault on our Second Amendment rights to begin?

It's their number one priority, IMO.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 17, 2021 07:35 PM (W4eKo)

99 Re: gun grabbing, I'm curious how the Democrats are going to attempt to reconcile "guns are bad, only the police should have them" and "the police are bad, you should do it yourself."

Re: 3D printing, interesting to see those results off something like an Ender 3. As he says, print orientation and material selection are *very* important and CAD files often have to be modified to account for the particulars of the additive process in question. My personal outlook--as someone who is, shall we say, particularly familiar with the business and engineering side of it--is that AM is best if you can't buy a mass produced one, but for prototyping or custom work it's kind of a big deal.

Posted by: CppThis at January 17, 2021 07:35 PM (zcf1k)

100 Well, now you are like most of the other Bobs who have their adjectives up front. ;P

Generally speaking, we Bobs tend not to make ourselves stand out in a crowd. Cannibal Bob excepted of course.

Posted by: Oddbob (nee Bob the Bilderberg) at January 17, 2021 07:35 PM (qc+VF)

101 How can a mousy, middle-aged, (mostly) harmless gal with a tiny pistol be of any use if the SHTF or even to defend myself?
That's what Goliath thought about David....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at January 17, 2021 07:36 PM (7bRMQ)

102 79 Quick recommendation for screaming in digital or anyone else who bought or is buying a first firearm for defense: try to get into your local CCW class, if possible. For one, you should have it in case you need it.
_______________________________________________
Good advice. We are planning on doing that. Interestingly, Kansas is still a free state and has no permitting requirements for CCW. We want to do it for reciprocity reasons, and mainly to get instructed as you mentioned.

Posted by: Mongo, Pawn in Game of Life at January 17, 2021 07:36 PM (Mot8j)

103 Weasel, I agree with you that the NRA is not the bulwark against tyranny it used to be... including backing red flag laws. In Virginia, for instance, the VCDL has been way more vigilant and effective in fighting bad gun laws.

Interestingly enough, I was talking to people just yesterday about whether a 3d printer should be part of preparing for what is to come. They are useful as all get out for printing all manner of things... including prosthetic ear bones according to my son's ear doctor.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at January 17, 2021 07:36 PM (946rW)

104 SG Ammo is still on my shit list. One of the few left that won't ship to NY.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 17, 2021 07:36 PM (CyB2R)

105 88 Because you are smart.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 17, 2021 07:29 PM (sy5kK)

Now, now, let's not get ahead of ourselves. If I were smart I would have already made a nice sized nest egg that would have permitted me to leave now instead of waiting until 65.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 17, 2021 07:33 PM (mcfjc)

Sometimes, no matter how well you plan, life gets in the way. I can relate.
Just keep with the plan, maybe cut a few corners if you have to, but keep with the plan.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 17, 2021 07:36 PM (sy5kK)

106 Posted by: Wade Hampton at January 17, 2021 07:33 PM (j6TQK)
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You are very welcome. Nice to have you here. Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 07:37 PM (MVjcR)

107 Generally speaking, we Bobs tend not to make ourselves stand out in a crowd. Cannibal Bob excepted of course.
Posted by: Oddbob (nee Bob the Bilderberg) at January 17, 2021 07:35 PM

This.

Posted by: Bob from NSA at January 17, 2021 07:37 PM (DMUuz)

108 Also removed a couple stickers from the truck window.
Posted by: Uncle Si at January 17, 2021 07:33 PM (azhRd)

Definitely a good idea. Going forward, I think that gun stickers on your vehicle are an invitation for the cops to stop and hassle you just because.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at January 17, 2021 07:37 PM (R5lpX)

109 "It's their number one priority, IMO."

I agree and they will create the pretext for it.

Posted by: navybrat, arms akimbo at January 17, 2021 07:38 PM (w7KSn)

110 Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at January 17, 2021 07:36 PM (946rW)
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Yep. I think VCDL does a great job.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 07:39 PM (MVjcR)

111 As a reminder all from a purely philosophical perspective, and apropos of the discussion of gun laws, government that does not have the consent of the governed does not have legitimate authority to set any rules on us. They may have physical force but they have no moral authority that you need recognize.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at January 17, 2021 07:39 PM (946rW)

112 he firearm licenses that were given to me by NYC for my handgun and rifle. I thought they were good for 5 years, I was wrong, 3 years.So come 2022 I have to submit renewal paperwork and documentation but not before they notify ME to do so.Why do I get the feeling there will be delays in doing this making the potential for me to become a felon in the eyes of NYC due to their incompetence or desire to make every citizen a victim.
Posted by: S

in fairness, you need to be out of there before then, or you are going to have to fight your way into America out of there

Posted by: confederatefifth at January 17, 2021 07:40 PM (4Jold)

113 I am changing my AoSHQ nic to "Oddbob"

Oddbob?

Any relation to that James Bond character, Oddjob?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 17, 2021 07:40 PM (sy5kK)

114 75 If screaming in digital is ever down Cheyenne way, I have several options we can take to the local range. As long as the freaking wind isn't blowing 100 mph.
Posted by: MH-53J at January 17, 2021 07:31 PM (7NmRg)
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I live in Laramie. I don't drive over the Summit if it's snowy/icy, but if the weather is good I don't mind driving over towards Cheyenne. I have a shooting buddy, but we are both looking for more opportunities to practice (she's returning to shooting after a long absence and I'm totally new). My email is now in my nic.

Posted by: screaming in digital at January 17, 2021 07:40 PM (k42hV)

115 try to get into your local CCW class, if possible

Appointments at the sheriff's office for CCW applications/renewals are backed up almost 4 months in my county. They cite The Plandemic as the reason. It's been useful for soooo many things.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 17, 2021 07:40 PM (W4eKo)

116
Going forward, I think that gun stickers on your vehicle are an invitation for the cops to stop and hassle you just because.
Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM

Also and invitation to thieves and vandals.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 17, 2021 07:41 PM (63Dwl)

117 Article said one of the charges was for UNREGISTERED AMMUNITION? WTF is that?
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 17, 2021 07:12 PM (oHd/0)

Unregistered ammo is what they call it in occupied states.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 17, 2021 07:41 PM (sy5kK)

118 That Guy so you're saying I should probably not go with the full car vinyl "COME AND TAKE THEM" wrap?

Posted by: Taqiyyologist (bofa/deez) at January 17, 2021 07:41 PM (OssQ4)

119 They may have physical force but they have no moral authority that you need recognize.

IIRC, some fat dude in China had something to say about that around the middle of the last century.

Posted by: Oddbob (nee Bob the Bilderberg) at January 17, 2021 07:42 PM (qc+VF)

120 https://youtu.be/VoEN9H383xQ
The Final Defence 1944, Finland perspective against the Russians
Nice use of vintage small arms, Panzerfaust, T-34 and Stug 42.

Posted by: Skip at January 17, 2021 07:42 PM (Cxk7w)

121 but there are still rules that can get you into big trouble if not followed

The biggest one being DO NOT sell them or give them away to ANYONE.

The second biggest being "Don't pretend to not sell them by letting someone else merely push the button on your computer that makes it print."

Posted by: GWB at January 17, 2021 07:42 PM (lclUd)

122 I do think that the SC on the issue of the 2nd Amendment is strongly on our side. Of course I e been fooled before. 2nd Amendment rights are the only thing that have not gone backwards in last 25 years.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 17, 2021 07:42 PM (2DOZq)

123 Here are the types showing up for the "armed protests". These aren't DJT supporters. Just more BLM and Antifa.

https://tinyurl.com/y5zk7rsr

Posted by: navybrat, arms akimbo at January 17, 2021 07:42 PM (w7KSn)

124 The thing is is the mantis thingy is very nice,

however,

it is hard to think that using a gun training system that is using your phone, made by aapl or goog is smart at this time.

who are you?
where do you reside?
What sorts of guns?
training?
any good?

Posted by: confederatefifth at January 17, 2021 07:42 PM (4Jold)

125 NoVa people: most of you have heard of my personal situation, and I've received well wishes and prayers from many of you.
.
To alleviate some of my financial stress, I'm selling a scope.

For sale: Trijicon Accupoint 5-20x50 with Trijicon QD mount. It was on my AR for about fifty rounds, and is just too much scope for the weapon.
.
Asking $1,000.

And weasel, if this is out of place, please remove.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, fuck you, war. at January 17, 2021 07:43 PM (yANjx)

126 The Italians won some international service rifle competitions with the '91 rifle. A lot of gripes about Carcano inaccuracy are rooted in really piss poor to miserable quality control in their ammunition, even peace time stuff. Wartime would have serious discrepancies within lot numbers.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin at January 17, 2021 07:32 PM (I58tH)

Good to know Bill! I am shooting PPU and will be getting some Steinel. The PPU seems to shoot fine.

I am gonna check into that Italian shooting team, that must have been a hoot. Thanks!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 17, 2021 07:43 PM (R/m4+)

127 I know a couple of guys who are into the 3D printing, I sort of wish I'd stayed on top of the technology, but then again - that's one less thing to be spending thousands of dollars on. I do know some knife makers with CNC machinery - it would be tempting to spit out lowers and have them do the rest of the stuff - custom Glocks would be tight!

I just got back inside from the garage - replaced the grip and 2 safety levers on my CZ Scorpion. Once I play with it a bit more I think I'll have an idea of what I do/don't want to switch. The safety levers were obvious - I can't believe that somebody said "that'll work" or I guess really "to bude fungovat". The grip I'm less sure on, but the angle of the original did seem a bit odd. Anybody have anything they've found that floats their boat to stick on the Scorpion?

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 17, 2021 07:43 PM (L8ADy)

128 Definitely a good idea. Going forward, I think that
gun stickers on your vehicle are an invitation for the cops to stop and
hassle you just because.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at January 17, 2021 07:37 PM (R5lpX)

I agree. Only thing on my Jeep are the badges and decals that were put on by the factory. I do worry about having a NYS license plate. If there is a TXMoMe this year I am planning on driving there with my toys. I hope not to get pulled over but I guess a question I would like to put to you all is if I do get pulled over, do I mention that I have firearms (unloaded and locked up with the ammo in a separate container)?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 17, 2021 07:43 PM (mcfjc)

129 ... but with society becoming increasingly polarized on the gun issue, I can't help but wonder how useful that really is anymore. Instead, I do support my state level NRA affiliate organization, and groups like Gun Owners of America who seem to represent a good alternative to the NRA.

What do you all think? Am I full of shit?

I think you're right on. GOA is the best of the national organizations. However, your state-level organization is the one to support, IMHO. Politicians listen to two things, 1) money, and 2) the voters an organization can deliver.

If you're in Texas, please consider joining the Texas State Rifle Association.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 17, 2021 07:43 PM (DMUuz)

130
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, fuck you, war. at January 17, 2021 07:43 PM (yANjx)
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Nah, bro. All good.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 07:44 PM (MVjcR)

131 Any relation to that James Bond character, Oddjob?

The similarity only occurred to me later but I wouldn't disown it. He was a pretty cool dude.

Posted by: Oddbob (nee Bob the Bilderberg) at January 17, 2021 07:44 PM (qc+VF)

132 I'd be more willing to pay knowledgeable humans to train, observe and correct me in the stage I'm at right now.

Posted by: screaming in digital at January 17, 2021 07:30 PM (k42hV)

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a very sensible approach, IMHO.

Posted by: redc1c4 (Biden Cheated!) at January 17, 2021 07:44 PM (8TU7E)

133 My brother s named Bob. He's a rebel though and he spells it backwards.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 17, 2021 07:44 PM (kTF2Z)

134 Fun fact: Lee Harvey Oswald bought his 6.5mm Carcano and scope from a Klein's ad in American Rifleman Magazine for $19.99.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 17, 2021 07:45 PM (CyB2R)

135 in fairness, you need to be out of there before then, or you are going to have to fight your way into America out of there

Posted by: confederatefifth at January 17, 2021 07:40 PM (4Jold)

Financially I cannot move right now and my job keeps me here. But I will be retiring in 2027. Earlier if I hit the damn lottery LOL

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 17, 2021 07:45 PM (mcfjc)

136 Gubs! Thanks Weasel.

Though the title literally made me almost queasy, a bit. Has been happening a lot.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 17, 2021 07:45 PM (OTzUX)

137 Financially I cannot move right now and my job keeps me here. But I will be retiring in 2027. Earlier if I hit the damn lottery LOL
Posted by: S

Posted by: confederatefifth at January 17, 2021 07:46 PM (4Jold)

138
Though the title literally made me almost queasy, a bit. Has been happening a lot.
Posted by: rhomboid at January 17, 2021 07:45 PM (OTzUX)
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My pleasure. And yeah, it pained me to write that.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 07:46 PM (MVjcR)

139 Definitely a good idea. Going forward, I think that gun stickers on your vehicle are an invitation for the cops to stop and hassle you just because.
Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM

I'm struggling with the removal of my decals too. No weapons related anything but I have a Catholic Radio, a 1st Marine Division Asso, and a "NAVY" sticker.

I'm immensely proud of all of those orgs and what they mean to me. But not very gray at all.

I am convinced I have avoided a LEO stop at 0300 once because of them. He sped up on me, had a look at my back window and then backed off and turned.

Those days may be over for a time at least.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 17, 2021 07:46 PM (Rvt88)

140 Appointments at the sheriff's office for CCW applications/renewals are backed up almost 4 months in my county. They cite The Plandemic as the reason. It's been useful for soooo many things.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 17, 2021 07:40 PM (W4eKo)

Yeah... but if private ranges conduct the classes in your state, you can get some training and legal advice even if you have to wait for the permit.

Posted by: hogmartin at January 17, 2021 07:47 PM (t+qrx)

141 Oddbob, name change duly noted.

Posted by: Ben Had at January 17, 2021 07:47 PM (OAKrm)

142 Ok. Back after cleaning up a minor moron disaster. I dropped my double decker swiss cheese burger with gg all over my key board. It will never smell the same. Se what being a geographical bachelor will do?

Anyway, gub stuff - ThanX! Weasel, I look forward to seeing them showcased.

Second, if you are in the VA area, and thinking about "rolling your own", either my way, of using a printer, be advised that some State Congress critter has floated a new law to outlaw "ghost guns". Read all about it on Bearing Arms.

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at January 17, 2021 07:48 PM (Iw46i)

143 Hogmartin, thanks for the recommendations! I was completely lackadaisical about researching my state's gun purchasing laws (I assume we do have some but this is Wyoming, Liz Cheney notwithstanding), but will not be lazy about carry laws. Because we now know the laws will be applied to us (and only us) with full force!

Posted by: screaming in digital at January 17, 2021 07:48 PM (k42hV)

144 IIRC, some fat dude in China had something to say about that around the middle of the last century.

Posted by: Oddbob (nee Bob the Bilderberg) at January 17, 2021 07:42 PM (qc+VF)

And our Founders had much to say on it too. We shall see which philosophy prevails.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at January 17, 2021 07:48 PM (946rW)

145
I see that 3-d printing in wax, for lost wax casting, is a known technique. One would not be limited to metal -- thermosetting polymers that can't be melted after setting are a possibility.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at January 17, 2021 07:49 PM (t5m5e)

146 Well it's been a good coupla weeks for guns and ammo. I scored Heidi the Glock 43X she wanted and grabbed a Keltec Sub 2000 in 9mm while I was at it.. The guy showed me a red dot for it and I said "just put It on".

Then I found 2500 rounds of 22lr. On armslist And made the purchase in a CVS parking lot. He gave me some ideas for Keltec upgrades.

Oh and put a nice scope on Heidis Ruger 10/22 takedown.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at January 17, 2021 07:50 PM (Dz5W3)

147 Keep your verbal exchanges to police to an absolute minimum, always. Just say "I don't talk to police without my attorney". Be polite but don't volunteer a damn thing. Video record everything.
And on that happy note, I am off to the cocktail hour. Thanks for the thread, Weasel!

Posted by: navybrat, arms akimbo at January 17, 2021 07:50 PM (w7KSn)

148 screaming in digital, you made a fine choice. Three thumbs up!

It will serve you well. Get a few extra mags, perhaps even the 15-round ones for the P365 XL (they come with an adapter for the P365).

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 17, 2021 07:50 PM (DMUuz)

149 Fun fact: Lee Harvey Oswald bought his 6.5mm Carcano and scope from a Klein's ad in American Rifleman Magazine for $19.99.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 17, 2021 07:45 PM (CyB2R)

Wow! What a deal. I always wondered why Lee bought a Carcano when there were so many cheap surplus rifles to be had back then.

Commies are some cheap ass mothers....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 17, 2021 07:51 PM (R/m4+)

150 Why do I get the feeling there will be delays in doing this making the potential for me to become a felon in the eyes of NYC due to their incompetence or desire to make every citizen a victim.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude

Any chance of you gettin' outta there before that occurs ?

Posted by: JT at January 17, 2021 07:51 PM (arJlL)

151 Posted by: navybrat, arms akimbo at January 17, 2021 07:50 PM (w7KSn)
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Happy to do it, navybrat!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 07:51 PM (MVjcR)

152 Posted by: clutch cargo at January 17, 2021 07:43 PM (L8ADy)

clutch cargo, the printers have come way down in price.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at January 17, 2021 07:51 PM (946rW)

153 As most (all?) of the "action" WRT 2A will likely be in the courts, Second Amendment Foundation is another gun-related outfit to consider. I think that's all they do - legal gun stuff.

I no longer expect a bucket of water, poured out, to run downhill in this country, given the last year or two, but on paper, the stage is set for big victories on the 2A. I mean the SCOTUS personnel, Heller in place, etc.

Of course it's absurdly illustrative of the problems with the country's institutions that the simplest part of the constitution has not only been routinely ignored whenever some felt like it, but that when it is, finally, and only partially and occasionally affirmed, it's a "victory".

But.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 17, 2021 07:51 PM (OTzUX)

154 Mom always liked Odd Job best.

Posted by: Random Task at January 17, 2021 07:52 PM (l3+k2)

155 Having a lot of gun owners only matters if people with will are using said guns.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at January 17, 2021 07:52 PM (uxJPn)

156 Keep your verbal exchanges to police to an absolute minimum, always. Just say "I don't talk to police without my attorney". Be polite but don't volunteer a damn thing. Video record everything.

Posted by: navybrat

You have to be careful here. OH is a 'shall inform' state if you have a CCL AND are packing and are pulled over. The LEOs, if they ran your plate know anyway but, according to state statute, you MUST let them know.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 17, 2021 07:52 PM (Rvt88)

157 Given the situation, and the underlyling merits, if SCOTUS does *not*, finally, deliver, and in a big way (not "narrowly tailored" garbage so beloved of the mediocre people dominating the legal cult), if it will have either 1) finally and conclusively collapsed as a constitutional mechanism 2) confirmed its collapse over the last few decades.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 17, 2021 07:54 PM (OTzUX)

158 Any chance of you gettin' outta there before that occurs ?

Posted by: JT at January 17, 2021 07:51 PM (arJlL)

Yes, it is called the lottery. I was not very smart with my money. But the 401k's are doing good. That is until the government decides to treat them like social security funds.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 17, 2021 07:54 PM (mcfjc)

159 I'm thinking about getting a UPS mailbox to take ammo deliveries...

what say the Horde?

Posted by: DB- just DB at January 17, 2021 07:54 PM (iTXRQ)

160 There are still really smart people who think that when the next inauguration comes, it will be Trump, but I can't quite sort out their argument. So if it happens, it will be the most pleasant surprise in my life since I found my ideal girl all those years ago.

Posted by: Splunge at January 17, 2021 07:54 PM (RzGcW)

161 I hope not to get pulled over but I guess a question I would like to put to you all is if I do get pulled over, do I mention that I have firearms (unloaded and locked up with the ammo in a separate container)?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 17, 2021 07:43 PM (mcfjc)

Really all I know are the laws pertaining to CCW, which is, if you're pulled over, you must notify the officer that you're carrying. At least that's my policy, anyway. Has gotten me out of a couple tickets.

I have an app on my phone handgunlaw.us that will tell you the gun laws in every state.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at January 17, 2021 07:54 PM (R5lpX)

162 thank you Duncanthrax! I'm the Queen of Bad Decisions, but occasionally I get something right!

Posted by: screaming in digital at January 17, 2021 07:54 PM (k42hV)

163 Not an app, but a web site.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at January 17, 2021 07:55 PM (R5lpX)

164 159 I'm thinking about getting a UPS mailbox to take ammo deliveries...
what say the Horde?
Posted by: DB- just DB at January 17, 2021 07:54 PM (iTXRQ)

What good would that do? They know who you are. Why not just get it where you are?

Posted by: Splunge at January 17, 2021 07:55 PM (RzGcW)

165 I'm thinking about getting a UPS mailbox to take ammo deliveries...

what say the Horde?
Posted by: DB- just DB

Send those deliveries to my house. I'll hold them for you - promise!

Posted by: Tonypete at January 17, 2021 07:55 PM (Rvt88)

166 149 I put together an Oswald Carcano for a guy who was a real student of the Warren Commission. The rifle came with an Ordnance Optics 4X scope, 3/4" tube, short eye relief. The turrets had to be offset 90 degrees to allow for loading, even with the off center mount. Oswald used the strap from a USAF shoulder holster for a sling.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin at January 17, 2021 07:55 PM (I58tH)

167 Next Sunday you can have a post about sniper rifles, training, and use.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 17, 2021 07:55 PM (ab0zp)

168 I'm thinking about getting a UPS mailbox to take ammo deliveries...

what say the Horde?

is there no way to have it delivered to the dhs?

Posted by: confederatefifth at January 17, 2021 07:55 PM (4Jold)

169 Yeah... but if private ranges conduct the classes in your state, you can get some training and legal advice even if you have to wait for the permit.

Absolutely. The problem is that it does us not a bit of good until the application has been processed. Sure, open carry is an option in many states but carrying concealed without the nanny-state's blessing can cause you a lot of grief under certain circumstances.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 17, 2021 07:55 PM (W4eKo)

170 Screw the story, I'm drinking...but even up here in Canada, I am so incredibly happy for the Gun Thread and so many well armed Americans.

Things seem dark. I'll bet everything on you...

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at January 17, 2021 07:55 PM (v2c9/)

171 hello!,I love your writing so so much! proportion we
communicate extra approximately your post on AOL?
I require an expert in this space to resolve my problem.

May be that is you! Having a look forward to see you.

Posted by: Tiger king at January 17, 2021 07:56 PM (hTznI)

172 You have to be careful here. OH is a 'shall inform'
state if you have a CCL AND are packing and are pulled over. The LEOs,
if they ran your plate know anyway but, according to state statute, you
MUST let them know.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 17, 2021 07:52 PM
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Same in Texas, must inform and if they run your plate they already know you have a LTC so you had better "inform" them if you are carrying.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at January 17, 2021 07:56 PM (JUOKG)

173 Thanks for the feedback guys!

Posted by: Mishdog at January 17, 2021 07:56 PM (F/Rk0)

174 hTznl - wut?

Posted by: Tonypete at January 17, 2021 07:56 PM (Rvt88)

175 "Gray" stuff WRT decals/bumper stickers a moot thing for me, as I've never wanted to/never have put anything on any vehicle. Don't like them, for unrelated mundane reasons. Long, long, long before such things might get your property vandalized, nah, not my style.

Now??

Uh, not a chance.

So my ammo boxes, inside and out, are festooned with great stickers from gun-related companies and craft breweries. So these things don't go to waste with me, I just enjoy them privately.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 17, 2021 07:57 PM (OTzUX)

176 The tiger king bot is malfunctioning. Can someone reboot it?

Posted by: Splunge at January 17, 2021 07:57 PM (RzGcW)

177 Posted by: Stateless Infidel at January 17, 2021 07:55 PM (v2c9/)
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Howdy! I have a lot of shooting buddies in Canada and have very fond memories Connaught Range outside Ottawa. Coached a team in the 2017 World Championships there. Great times.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 07:58 PM (MVjcR)

178 Posted by: Cannibal Bob at January 17, 2021 07:50 PM (Dz5W3)

I'd like an extension for my KelTec 2000 butt stock. I bought a stock pad that added on an inch or so.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 17, 2021 07:58 PM (2DOZq)

179 >What good would that do? They know who you are. Why not just get it where you are?
Posted by: Splunge

because I work, I live alone, and would have to take time off work to be home to receive a shipment

Posted by: DB- just DB at January 17, 2021 07:58 PM (iTXRQ)

180 I found my reading glasses tonight Horde! Not gun-related, but I can now read the gun thread. That should count.

Posted by: jmel at January 17, 2021 07:59 PM (bVhJi)

181 re the gray man issue, you were right Weasel. But everyone should be smart and nutters should apply elsewhere. They can say the same to me I guess but I am speaking from my own perspective. In the end, there has to be a legit way to defeat the Lefty mass or we are in a world of hurt. It would be crazy to skip the hard work and go for crazy when you could have done the hard work of defeating them.

As for the 1911, it is a revered sidearm that is now well over a 100 years old. Sure their are newer designs but nothing compares to a 1911 in the auto gun arena. Ok, maybe a Browning Hi Power but I know we are a niche cult. We are right but no way does it have the allure of the 1911.

Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2021 07:59 PM (OqDgx)

182 the 1911 remains a shooter favorite and I am a big fan. Are you?

Bein' the Gun Thread, 'n all, this cain't be a serious question. It must be one 'o them, how you say, rhetorical questions.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 17, 2021 07:59 PM (DMUuz)

183 The title of your thread is very painful. I have been denying it
but you make it very clear. Such a waste for this country really.
President Trump did not do everything right, just like none of his
predecessors have done everything right. He certainly was opposed in
ways we have never seen, and that includes Lincoln. Some say you can't
compare it but I can. The Lincoln hate was not about the man himself,
but broader issues. No one has been treated the way Trump has been
treated by so many and yes, I very much do study history.

But
there is something really sad about this. I doubt many, even dumb
liberals are cheering that loudly. Really not much else to say here, I
don't have the words.

Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2021 07:59 PM (OqDgx)

184 I bought a stock pad that added on an inch or so.
Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks

The Paolo, how you say, has no need of such a pad.

Posted by: The Paolo at January 17, 2021 07:59 PM (Rvt88)

185 Hey! Les Baer is hiring gunsmiths right now! Too bad I know jack-all about gunsmithing. And I'm stuck in CA as punishment for the rest of my life. Oh well.

clutch cargo, the printers have come way down in price.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at January 17, 2021 07:51 PM (946rW)

Yeah, I'd just have to stick with it and not start modifying like everyone I know that's got one. "If I had this board I could..." In fact, I'm not sure any of them has kept a printer much longer than a year when I think about it.

I wonder if they're packaging decent CAD software with the things now? I know a few knife designers who do the production CNC knives do their prototypes that way first, and can work out minor kinks before doing in steel/Ti.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 17, 2021 07:59 PM (L8ADy)

186 OT but this sounds wrong but Screwball the peanut butter whiskey is actually good.

Posted by: blaster at January 17, 2021 07:59 PM (hSbxH)

187 because I work, I live alone, and would have to take time off work to be home to receive a shipment
Posted by: DB-

then the thing to do is have it held by fedx so when you have time you go there and get it.

Posted by: confederatefifth at January 17, 2021 07:59 PM (4Jold)

188 DB, not sure why you'd want to do that unless to keep it out of the prying eyes of neighbors. If I'm sitting out on the porch when my UPS guy delivers here lately always asks what kind of ammo I'm getting today. Then we swap tales of what sites he's going to for ammo and what sites I'm using. He's given me a couple of good leads.

Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at January 17, 2021 08:00 PM (VNmG1)

189 Thanks to Mark, I am now the proud caretaker of a Walther PPQ. It is an excellent pistol and I think I got it zeroed in.

I took it apart to get intimate this afternoon. Cleaned, oiled, inspected. Put back together and is now mine.

Had an opportunity to buy 1000 rounds of range 9mm at the range gun shop. It was $749.00. Just can't do that. Preservation is my friend.

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 17, 2021 08:00 PM (U2p+3)

190 That said, I did get to the range yesterday. Finally.

I sighted in my TLR-8 laser. It is attached to one of my car guns, a FNP-45. The damn thing needs two hands to turn it on, so not perfect. That said, the laser works. Night tight groups. The single action trigger pull of the FNP is nice and light.

I test fired my CZ 75 and...after firing 3 rounds, the fucking firing pin shot out the back. The fucking design flaw of the CZ 75, the firing pin retaining pin either broke or worked its way out. So now I have to wait to get that replaced. Sheesh. Should maybe have spent the extra $300 and just bought a new one. But...I'm foolishly cheap about some stuff. Just like me stubbornly refusing to buy 9mm target ammo for $.79 a round.

The good news, I have more guns. I shot my G19 and XD45, both worked great when I remembered to pull the trigger straight back instead of 'clenching', which makes my groups go down and right.

Interestingly, the faster I go, the more accurate I am. When I don't have time to over-think things, muscle memory takes over.

A good day at the range, all things considered.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at January 17, 2021 08:00 PM (uxJPn)

191 Given the situation, and the underlyling merits, if
SCOTUS does *not*, finally, deliver, and in a big way (not "narrowly
tailored" garbage so beloved of the mediocre people dominating the legal
cult), if it will have either 1) finally and conclusively collapsed as a
constitutional mechanism 2) confirmed its collapse over the last few
decades.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 17, 2021 07:54 PM (OTzUX)

rhomboid, they obliterated any notion that they follow the Constitution this year. We ought not look to them for anything or we will be (further) disappointed.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at January 17, 2021 08:00 PM (946rW)

192 Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2021 07:59 PM (OqDgx)
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Yup.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 08:01 PM (MVjcR)

193 Last few free days, sad what we are going to have to endure.
Might be sleeping with one eye open soon.

Posted by: Skip at January 17, 2021 08:01 PM (Cxk7w)

194 "9 I put together an Oswald Carcano for a guy who was a real student of the Warren Commission. The rifle came with an Ordnance Optics 4X scope, 3/4" tube, short eye relief. The turrets had to be offset 90 degrees to allow for loading, even with the off center mount. Oswald used the strap from a USAF shoulder holster for a sling.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin at January 17, 2021 07:55 PM (I58tH)"

Pretty damn awesome you built that. They were really good rifles and the 6.5mm is a great round. The rifle itself was a little awkward as you noted in the scope mount. But overall it was a pretty accurate rifle.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 17, 2021 08:01 PM (CyB2R)

195 I put together an Oswald Carcano for a guy who was a real student of the Warren Commission. The rifle came with an Ordnance Optics 4X scope, 3/4" tube, short eye relief. The turrets had to be offset 90 degrees to allow for loading, even with the off center mount. Oswald used the strap from a USAF shoulder holster for a sling.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin at January 17, 2021 07:55 PM (I58tH)

Cool....I did not know that. What is your opinion on Lee's ability to shoot like they say he did on that day in Dallas?

I always find my Carcanos have issues feeding with the rounds porpoising or not rising depending on the clip if I do not pay attention when working the bolt.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 17, 2021 08:01 PM (R/m4+)

196 179 >What good would that do? They know who you are. Why not just get it where you are?
Posted by: Splunge
because I work, I live alone, and would have to take time off work to be home to receive a shipment
Posted by: DB- just DB at January 17, 2021 07:58 PM (iTXRQ)

Then sure, why not? I have a UPS mailbox, just as a place to have my mail forwarded before I knew where I was living. Price wasn't too bad. Getting it from a remote location was a pain (never had to have my passport copies notarized before), but in person, probably no big deal.

Posted by: Splunge at January 17, 2021 08:01 PM (RzGcW)

197 Comments on the storage videos:

First, other than the second guy eventually using Seal-A-Meal bags, the OD mylar bag he uses in the beginning isn't likely any different from the Brownell's one. It's mylar, which is long-term moisture resistant.

Also, you can do the vacuum thing with most any bag. (It's obviously easier with a more flexible material.) People been using that technique to shrink and store their winter blankets and such for a very long time.

My one concern is getting plastic residue on the weapon. I know it's probably not a big deal, and it's just my bad experience with stuff sitting somewhere crappy for a long time and being ruined because it was ignored. But, I would think putting a gun sock over a long gun or wrapping a pistol in a silicon cloth would be good additions to the methods presented. Just in case.

Posted by: GWB at January 17, 2021 08:01 PM (lclUd)

198 What do you all think? Am I full of shit?

Sly says no; However, he did say, Somebody's watching you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_cfZGRYexw

Posted by: Braenyard at January 17, 2021 08:02 PM (uN66u)

199 186 OT but this sounds wrong but Screwball the peanut butter whiskey is actually good.
Posted by: blaster at January 17, 2021 07:59 PM (hSbxH)

Even if true, no.

Posted by: Splunge at January 17, 2021 08:02 PM (RzGcW)

200 one last thing about the gray man issue as you call it. I know it is not easy and I don't always follow my own advice. But I don't see how it can any longer be more clear that traditional patriots need to live among themselves. You don't see liberals hiding their views in small towns in red states. I Know this because I have seen it. But conservatives have to walk on egg shells and down right give up free speech for the honor to live in a blue city.

I know some will never do it, and they do have reasons. But I don't see how it can be more clear if you want to feel free, move.

Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2021 08:02 PM (OqDgx)

201 I'm in a fairly static posture as to most practice and routine shooting. I've long been blessed with a seeming non-fungible skill and accomplishment plane at arms. I can "not shoot" for years, and pick it right back up where I left it.

What I am focusing on right now, is an utter overhaul of the gun safe, it's contents down to the last scrap of wood or steel, and every ancillary bit also therein. Next comes the workbench, ammo storage and every other aspect of the craft I can think to include into the process. Good self advice, I need my shit squared away and accounted for. Bit of it is "in case I need it quickly". The rest is to prioritize other decisions as to ongoing care, maintenance and preservation of all that.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at January 17, 2021 08:02 PM (QzJWU)

202 The idea of Grey man is to not stand out.
This is also the Japanese philosophy.
The one nail that is sticking up is the one that gets the hammer.
Don't be that nail.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 17, 2021 08:03 PM (sy5kK)

203 Isn't hTznl an Inca city??

Posted by: andycanuck at January 17, 2021 08:03 PM (ab0zp)

204 Isn't hTznl an Inca city??
Posted by: a

it's the aztec god

Posted by: confederatefifth at January 17, 2021 08:04 PM (4Jold)

205 I'd like an extension for my KelTec 2000 butt stock. I bought a stock pad that added on an inch or so.
Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 17, 2021 07:58 PM (2DOZq)

Mcarbo dot com for all your Sub-2000 mods. Pretty rad place, I have some of their stuff

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at January 17, 2021 08:04 PM (uxJPn)

206 I'd like an extension for my KelTec 2000 butt stock. I bought a stock pad that added on an inch or so.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 17, 2021 07:58 PM (2DOZq)

I know I'm getting some arthritis in my hands but I thought pulling the charging handle back was a bitch. I ordered the 2 fingered knob for it. Also I Probably need to figure how to raise the optics because it sits to low for me. Maybe I need to move it forward. Haven't really played with it.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at January 17, 2021 08:04 PM (Dz5W3)

207 The one nail that is sticking up is the one that gets the hammer.
Don't be that nail.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg

Ah, the boot camp play. Don't run too fast or too slow. Repeat for all events.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 17, 2021 08:04 PM (Rvt88)

208 Hairyback guy,

The original 91 Carcano Fusil (long rifle) is what the Italian rifle team used if I recall correctly. The original design (not the carbines nor the later 41) used something called a gain twist barrel where the twist starts out slower at the breech end and then becomes more pronounced at the bore. It was done to prolong barrel life and make them more accurate.

The desperate need for carbines in Italy resulted in many long rifle barrels simply being chopped which makes the twist rates way to slow for certain model carbines but believe the 91/24 for example are that way. That makes them very inaccurate btw.

Used to remember all the stuff but it is out there on the internet or in a guy that recently published a Carcano tome on all things Carcano.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 08:04 PM (pO7gM)

209 Oh, ok DB. I can see your point. Porch pirates abound and ammo is too expensive to have some lowlife walk off with it. I think you could set that up with a local UPS store, right?

Posted by: Old Blue - Round Headed Bald Kid at January 17, 2021 08:05 PM (VNmG1)

210 > The idea of Grey man is to not stand out.
This is also the Japanese philosophy.

be like Beldar and Prymat:

"We will blend in."

Posted by: DB- just DB at January 17, 2021 08:05 PM (iTXRQ)

211 Weasel, excellent thread and I agree with your take on the NRA..well, except I heard Wayne was more interested in keeping his tailor employed than looking out for gun rights.

YMMV.

Oh, and the salesperson Screaming in Digital was dealing with: What kind of weirdo forgoes a sale over a satisfied customer? If I ever get to WY, I'll have to look that sales person up and shake his hand.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 08:05 PM (WEBkv)

212 the 1911 remains a shooter favorite and I am a big fan. Are you?

Bein' the Gun Thread, 'n all, this cain't be a serious question. It must be one 'o them, how you say, rhetorical questions.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 17, 2021 07:59 PM (DMUuz)

I've been looking to replace my dad's 1911 (sad, sad story I've told before) and am kind of - I don't know - disappointed? That so many of the ones I see available are 9mm. Seriously guys, WTF? Get a fucking Glock. A 1911 can only be chambered one way, and it's not 9mm. Are these like, ones guys buy for their girlfriends?

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 17, 2021 08:05 PM (L8ADy)

213 Hey there Weasel, howdy fellow shooters...
Like the ...ah... nations capital is interesting. I lived here after 9/11. I lived through the John Mohammad sniter (right!!) incident. This city is very much an armed camp. Very very weird.
No shooting for me this week, more is the pity.
Great article on the 3D printing range toys. I have a couple 3D printed S&W medallions, which ARE cool, but the pistols are cooler. That is a technology would like to explore.
Ms Screaming in Digital, you have taken the first step, hopefully the first of many. I shoot with several women, and their skill level increases with every outing. Yours will too.
We are most pleased to have you with us!!

Posted by: Jesse in DC at January 17, 2021 08:05 PM (Yp3Ga)

214 Been pulled over twice since having a CCW. Notified the cop both times and was thanked for the information. Sure, they already knew but it made the encounter a bit less stressful. I don't like being the dutiful, compliant citizen any more than the rest but sometimes ya gotta bend a little.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 17, 2021 08:06 PM (W4eKo)

215 I highly recommend the book The Cornered Cat by Kathy Jackson who is a CCW instructor and editor of CC magazine for any new shooter/pistol owner and especially for females. Kathy delves into all the typical subjects of pistol ownership and cc carry but also spends a lot of time in the beginning helping readers mentally decide if they can carry and moreover kill someone in self defense. That question MUST be answered in a persons mind before they choose to become armed. And there are people who cannot make that mental choice and there is no shame in that. Kathy does not make that judgment rather she goes through the moral and religious questions one needs to ask in order to personally accept the yes or no answer to using lethal force. The quote from screaming in digital of not being sure if this is just a symbolic gesture on her part concerns me. SID needs to know before she ever picks up a gun that she is firm in her conviction of using based on training and a thorough understanding of the law.

Posted by: Jen the original at January 17, 2021 08:06 PM (/m1b3)

216 gg=egg get your minds outta the gutter

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at January 17, 2021 08:06 PM (Iw46i)

217 Yeah you can get a UPS mailbox at most UPS storefronts

Posted by: DB- just DB at January 17, 2021 08:06 PM (iTXRQ)

218 The 1911 was one of the best pistols in the world for at least half a century. But from the mid-70's on, I think there are better options.

Beats a revolver for combat use, for sure.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at January 17, 2021 08:06 PM (uxJPn)

219 195 A lot of people believe he just used the battle sights on the rifle. There is record of him firing at a local range, and maybe he thought with the time he had to get off shots, the awkward scope mounting and the risk of the cheap scope and mount being off from handling, iron sights were the way to go. Going on 60 years and still a lot of "ifs".

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin at January 17, 2021 08:06 PM (I58tH)

220 Are these like, ones guys buy for their girlfriends?
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead

Yes, their girlfriends that have manbuns.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 17, 2021 08:06 PM (Rvt88)

221
Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 08:05 PM (WEBkv)
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Thanks, brother.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 08:06 PM (MVjcR)

222 Posted by: screaming in digital at January 17, 2021 07:40 PM (k42hV)

I will send my e-mail address, maybe this spring or summer would be a good time to go if you're interested. I have a membership at Otto Road Range about 8 miles west of Cheyenne.

That summit is horrible in the winter. Last February I took a co-worker to Laramie for shoulder surgery at 5 am and the roads were horrible. Semi's parked in the passing lane, black ice, yuck. Had to go south to Owl Canyon Road and over to I-25 to get home because I-80 was closed.

Posted by: MH-53J at January 17, 2021 08:07 PM (7NmRg)

223 @ Jim, I wish shooting was like riding a bike for me. It is most definitely a perishable skill, for me, so, I need to practice.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 08:07 PM (WEBkv)

224 I hate it when a delivery person just leaves my goods on the porch

USPS did it once, with prescription medicines
stupid gits

Posted by: DB- just DB at January 17, 2021 08:07 PM (iTXRQ)

225 Posted by: Jesse in DC at January 17, 2021 08:05 PM (Yp3Ga)
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Howdy Jesse in DC!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 08:08 PM (MVjcR)

226 I ordered the 2 fingered knob for it.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at January 17, 2021 08:04 PM (Dz5W3)

Nobody? No...? Nothing?

OK.

Posted by: hogmartin at January 17, 2021 08:08 PM (t+qrx)

227 Used to remember all the stuff but it is out there on the internet or in a guy that recently published a Carcano tome on all things Carcano.
Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 08:04 PM (pO7gM)

Thanks Whig!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 17, 2021 08:09 PM (R/m4+)

228 Screaming in digital,

Went to high school and college in Laramie. We went shooting in the area behind and to the left of the jr. high school. Unfortunately there are houses there now.

Posted by: Opustx at January 17, 2021 08:09 PM (qeQmM)

229 I've never seen it in a set of canned recommendations, but I DO have tiny hands, I'm not a sharpshooter or firearms enthusiast, and far and away the *nicest* fit for my hands, with the least recoil, was a Miroku Liberty Chief .38 special police revolver.

Just hanging out with friends and family and whatnot, I've shot a half-dozen or so other handguns, and none of them compared. The thing is just a lovely piece of engineering. I clearly remember going back and forth between that and a S&W .38, and... ouch! I don't think they make them anymore, but last I checked they weren't rare and expensive collector items, so they're great if you can find one.

Posted by: PlainJane at January 17, 2021 08:10 PM (Qo+uP)

230 Regarding storage, brownells sell bags like the military does but you can also get anti corrosive bags in bulk from some Amazon sellers. The only difference is that these do not have the ziplock type seal on the end so you need to either tape the ends with something like aluminum hvac tape, or some other vapor resistant tape. For good measure, get RIG grease and apply inside and outside of all metal after thoroughly cleaning the firearm. It will need to be removed from the bore and action though before firing but it will not harden up like cosmolene. There is also zerust capsules that can be used.

I did this complicated setup for someone who had a safe that used some of that toxic Chinese drywall that emits acid. The stuff was banned from the US and low and behold started showing in in some firearm safes of a certain vintage as liners.

The guy was either going to have to tear out the liner and replace (long run plan) or go to some sort of secure storage. The 'temporary' solution has lasted two plus years with no sign of rust at all but not so for the sacrificial piece of angle iron in the safe.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 08:11 PM (pO7gM)

231 Been pulled over twice since having a CCW. Notified the cop both times and was thanked for the information. Sure, they already knew but it made the encounter a bit less stressful. I don't like being the dutiful, compliant citizen any more than the rest but sometimes ya gotta bend a little.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 17, 2021 08:06 PM (W4eKo)

I was pulled over once and told the cop immediately who replied with an attitude ' yeah and what am I supposed to do' . I lit in to him with as much respect as I could eventually requesting the name of his supervising officer. A day later I noted why complaints probably aren't filed half the time. The complaint form was created by a Chinese bureaucrat. I gave up halfway through.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 17, 2021 08:12 PM (2DOZq)

232 A lot of people believe he just used the battle sights on the rifle. There is record of him firing at a local range, and maybe he thought with the time he had to get off shots, the awkward scope mounting and the risk of the cheap scope and mount being off from handling, iron sights were the way to go. Going on 60 years and still a lot of "ifs".
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin at January 17, 2021 08:06 PM (I58tH)

Makes sense. Thanks again!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 17, 2021 08:12 PM (R/m4+)

233 Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me

Obvously, YMMV.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 17, 2021 08:13 PM (W4eKo)

234 I see that the NRA is unincorporating in New York under Chapter 11 rules, and reincorporating in the State of Texas. Not sure how that's done but OK . . .
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen

Kinda like Voltron, I think. If you see some robot lions running through Tennessee, don't panic.

Posted by: mikeski at January 17, 2021 08:13 PM (P1f+c)

235 it is not a good sign the NRA is bankrupt. Just four years ago the Repubs were at their high water mark. I had my concerns but damn, how did it go like this? They guy delivered. Enough about that before I really go off.

but I have criticized the NRA for years. I recall criticizing the NRA when they took a back seat to state orgs on the National Park carry issue many moons ago. I remember when the NRA didn't lead much, and that was during the milquetoast George W Bush regime. But this is not how it should end. They need to reorganize, get rid of a lot of DC BS'ers and try to win the people back. There is no way we can not have an NRA.

btw, I thought they were based in VA, not NYC. I know most major companies have a presence near The Swamp but I thought their HQ was in VA.

Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2021 08:14 PM (dVcaa)

236 I hope you all will keep the name Xavier Becerra very high on your awareness list. He is going to be joebama's Health and Human Resources Sec. He is a rabid gun-grabber and he is going to tie your health care to gun ownership.

Posted by: Ben Had at January 17, 2021 08:14 PM (OAKrm)

237 And now a range report: I shot the San Luis Obispo High Power competition and failed in fine style!

Off-hand was terrible, but, no surprise there, as I'm well aware of the fact I'm not a good shooter off-hand, with a rifle.

Then, we went "mad minute" prone and I got off one lousy shot after the two sighter shots. All of a sudden, my target disappeared and I couldn't be sure I was shooting at the correct target, so, held fire. I couldn't figure out what had happened, until I realized I was prone, in full sunlight, and my glasses had darkened to the point I was unable to use my aperture sights. D'oh!

I switched to clear shooting glasses, and, for the slow fire prone, shot reasonably well. Lesson learned, the hard way!

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 08:15 PM (WEBkv)

238 Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2021 08:14 PM (dVcaa)
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HQ in Virginia, Incorporated in NY.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 08:15 PM (MVjcR)

239 I found my reading glasses tonight Horde! Not gun-related, but I can now read the gun thread. That should count.

Lol, same thing happened to me. Broke my readers and couldn't find the right second pair. It's a bitch trying to read what power they were even with a magnifying glass, lol.

Posted by: dartist at January 17, 2021 08:15 PM (+ya+t)

240 Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me

Obvously, YMMV.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 17, 2021 08:13 PM (W4

That was the only time . I had two other contacts with LE and they were very cool.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 17, 2021 08:16 PM (2DOZq)

241 236 I hope you all will keep the name Xavier Becerra very high on your awareness list. He is going to be joebama's Health and Human Resources Sec. He is a rabid gun-grabber and he is going to tie your health care to gun ownership.
Posted by: Ben Had at January 17, 2021 08:14 PM (OAKrm)
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Guns?

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 08:16 PM (MVjcR)

242 Hairyback guy,
Info is now at carcano.org. Mine was one of the last long rifles made in the 1930's, had to do a major cleanup on it.

BTW, the Carcano is not a true 6.5 which is where a lot of folks get into trouble with accuracy. 6.5 Swede for example is .264 for bullet diameter, the Carcano is .268.

If you can still get it, Hornady made some special ammo for Grafs and Sons using the correct bullet diameter. You can also cast your own and if you use a profile similar to the Swede or the original Carcano, long heavy bullets, you should get some splendid accuracy. If I recall right, at one time, Prvi used .264 bullets for their Carcano ammo, you will need to check.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 08:16 PM (pO7gM)

243 128 Scuba Dude,
I did my concealed carry training (for a Utah permit) in CA from a retired CA state trooper.
He said, if you get asked by a police officer if you have any weapons, just say no.
He doesn't want the hassle of gun laws, cause they have to call in the gun experts, cause the laws are so twisted. You don't want the hassle either, obviously.
Just get your ticket or whatever, politely, and be on your way.

Posted by: Jimmy Doolittle at January 17, 2021 08:17 PM (flKoD)

244 I've looked at Carcanos (cf'ed by Hairyback Guy) a few times (they seem to be ubiquitous and inexpensive) but the pics of the ammo bother me. They just look... weird. And kind of amateurish. That really long non-pointy bullet looks unstable on the brass and (maybe because it reminds me of target arrows) kinda ineffective.

Anyone else think they look goofy/wrong?

Posted by: GWB at January 17, 2021 08:17 PM (lclUd)

245 Guns?
Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 08:16 PM (MVjcR)

Certain discharges are unhealthy.

Posted by: President-elect Emmie at January 17, 2021 08:17 PM (ofYez)

246 Guns?
Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 08:16 PM (MVjcR)
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Is, or was, the AG for CA. Very bad person. Complete leftist open border anti gun scum.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 08:18 PM (WEBkv)

247 Ok folks. Even though I have the next two days off I am going to call it a night. Going to sit back and watch a movie or do a little tv binging.
Weasel, thanks again for an informative thread. Always something to learn or be reminded of here.
Next month I am going to start acquiring some of the tools needed to change the scope on my rifle. Expect emails for tips.

Night everyone!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 17, 2021 08:18 PM (mcfjc)

248 @splunge seriously if you can't trust an internet rando on a whiskey recommendation who can you trust.

Posted by: blaster at January 17, 2021 08:18 PM (hSbxH)

249 I hope you all will keep the name Xavier Becerra very high on your awareness list.

That list most certainly would encompass the entire incoming "administration". I use that term lightly because it will be chaos, not administration.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 17, 2021 08:18 PM (W4eKo)

250 Been pulled over twice since having a CCW. Notified
the cop both times and was thanked for the information. Sure, they
already knew but it made the encounter a bit less stressful. I don't
like being the dutiful, compliant citizen any more than the rest but
sometimes ya gotta bend a little.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 17, 2021 08:06 PM (W4eKo)
nothing wrong with that, it depends on the state. I make it a point to not get pulled over but i think i told them at least once. We are not required to do so and either way, it didn't matter. The thing about CCW is you get more comfortable with it over time. I remember when it was new and something I thought about a lot, but that was so long ago. Now, I wouldn't leave sans CCW anymore than I would leave home without my billfold.

Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2021 08:19 PM (dVcaa)

251 Thank you, Weasel.

Posted by: President-elect Emmie at January 17, 2021 08:19 PM (ofYez)

252 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 17, 2021 08:18 PM (mcfjc)
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'Night!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 08:19 PM (MVjcR)

253 Troll is stupid and can't count, or do history

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at January 17, 2021 08:20 PM (uxJPn)

254 On Wednesday, consumed democracy will return a socialist regime. All hail the new incompetence! (h/t, Slayer) So the unfortunate thing is that this hobby will become heavily politicized by people who are desperate to pick and choose the hobbies of others. With this in mind, I'll be looking to support organizations that support my right to be left alone. TSRA is at the top of the list as they are a local organization and do keep in mind, all my TX friends, the Legislature has begun its biannual session in the past week.

Oh, how I hate the poking of politics into my good time, but this is the world we live in, unfortunately.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 17, 2021 08:20 PM (M7K2y)

255 Posted by: President-elect Emmie at January 17, 2021 08:19 PM (ofYez)
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REALLY my pleasure!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 08:20 PM (MVjcR)

256 My Dad, a career soldier, was 1st in Expert Class, .45 Slow Fire, in a 2nd Army Small Arms Tournament in the 50s. I could probably hit one of the walls of the room I am sitting in. I was an "Expert" with the .45 in the Army. I could hit a man sized silhouette from 10 meters (special qualification for officers). Dad laughed when he saw my medal. God what a man he was. I'm going to tell his story one day. Not here but somewhere.

Posted by: Javems at January 17, 2021 08:21 PM (8SSHh)

257 So yeah NoVa who can I go to about my AR

Posted by: blaster at January 17, 2021 08:21 PM (hSbxH)

258 253 Troll is stupid and can't count, or do history
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at January 17, 2021 08:20 PM (uxJPn)

and we're the only friends the poor soul has.

Evening Morons!

Posted by: ALH at January 17, 2021 08:21 PM (WSGpY)

259 @MAE, that's every single troll we've ever had on this board.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 08:21 PM (WEBkv)

260 Ignore the retard. As soon as I finish my cigar I'll camp out on the delete button.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 08:21 PM (MVjcR)

261 235 The NRA dates from the aftermath of the Civil War which is why it is incorporated in NY. The bankruptcy is to do two things, one is to remove the ability of the NY AG from removing the NRA's charter and the second is that there is a nasty legal fight between the NRA and its former ad agency. In part, the internal fight was between Wayne and a majority of the board members on one side and the newer folks, clustered around Ollie North, and the talent on NRA-TV. The ad agency came up with the idea of NRA-TV as magazines were just not that appealing to newer generation of gun owners.

So part of it was a policy fight and when the crunch in money came, NRA-TV was sucking a lot of the resources and anti-gunners were hammering the NRA by attacking advertisers in the American Rifleman and other places. Same as Fox, and so on. That led to NRA breaking with the ad agency and ending NRA-TV which led to an attempt to get Wayne out. The majority of the board sided with Wayne.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 08:21 PM (pO7gM)

262 185 I wonder if they're packaging decent CAD software with the things now? I know a few knife designers who do the production CNC knives do their prototypes that way first, and can work out minor kinks before doing in steel/Ti.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 17, 2021 07:59 PM (L8ADy)

I'm not aware of any printer companies that ship CAD software, what they ship is print-prep software that takes in a 3D geometry file and turns it into instructions for the printer. Some of them do bundle a 'free trial' of Autodesk's web based Fusion 360, but I doubt I have to tell this crowd why doing sensitive things on a major tech corporation's cloud service is a really bad idea.

The Experimental Aircraft Association offers non-commercial Solidworks to its members, and that's about the best deal you'll get on that sort of thing. I don't care for software rental one bit, but the simple fact is that you're getting a $4,000 CAD package for $40 per year. And it's the EAA so if you're into airplanes there's other worthy membership perks to go with it.

Posted by: CppThis at January 17, 2021 08:22 PM (zcf1k)

263 I worked in moisture protection films at one time, but all I can say is that the an aluminized bag is much much better than a clear one.

Water goes through plastic like shit through a goose.

actually, let me say a bit more - I think vacuum sealing is a mistake, and adds little (the vacuum does protect from O2 in the bag, but that it not the problem The problem is the H2O, and that is mostly getting in through the bag. I would use an aluminized ziplock bag, but not under vacuum. And I would toss in some desiccant. The airspace in the bag makes sure there are no areas with higher concentration of water which does not get to the desiccant. Or throw in a VCI (volatile corrosion inhibitor - vapor tab) or even both.

The strategy is to limit how much air or moisture can get into the enclosure, and then absorb that with a desiccant.

This applies for tools, too. Keep you tool box closed at all times. And use decent boxes which have a good seal.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at January 17, 2021 08:22 PM (LWu6U)

264 Oh and relevant, Bloomberg's orgs are going after YouTube gun channels. Especially those willing to say out loud that Biden is not legitimately elected.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at January 17, 2021 08:22 PM (uxJPn)

265 Not all of the Carcano's featured the cut down barrel. In 1924 when the new 1891 was released there were some barrels that I believe used the shortened/adjusted gain twist rifling. At least I had read that at one time. I know most of the major changes didn't come until circa 1938 (Beretta models, etc)but to me they simply ruined the original design which was the best. It was really a greatly improved Gewehr 88 with a milled bolt head, etc that really improved overall reliability. The 6.5 also shoot extremely flat and is a great round.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at January 17, 2021 08:22 PM (AIYX6)

266 Do you all wear hearing protection when you do your target practice?

Posted by: ALH at January 17, 2021 08:22 PM (WSGpY)

267 260 Ignore the retard. As soon as I finish my cigar I'll camp out on the delete button.
Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 08:21 PM (MVjcR)

You da man!

Posted by: President-elect Emmie at January 17, 2021 08:22 PM (ofYez)

268 Thanks Jesse in DC!

Posted by: screaming in digital at January 17, 2021 08:23 PM (k42hV)

269 250: um, how? That's as stupid as blaming President Wilson for the Spanish flu.

Besides, didn't you bitch and scream over the preventative measures Mr. Trump promptly took?

NOTHING Mr. Trump can do can make some people happy under any circumstances.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 17, 2021 08:23 PM (M7K2y)

270 Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2021 08:14 PM (dVcaa)

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HQ in Virginia, Incorporated in NY.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 08:15 PM (MVjcR)

ahh it makes more sense now. I was surprised when I heard they were "moving" from NYC to TX. I thought entities with a choice incorporated in Delaware.

Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2021 08:23 PM (dVcaa)

271 It looks like the scope came with the rifle and was attached from the evidence photo, and he paid extra for the scope: https://preview.tinyurl.com/y6kds3q4 (Wiki)
My apologies if I've misunderstood the scope debate here as I haven't read the pre #150 comments. Duckduckgo photos all show scope attached too.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 17, 2021 08:23 PM (ab0zp)

272 After range time Mark and I drove 100 miles to have lunch with Winston.

I cannot emphasize enough how important it is to have contact with friendly, like thinking persons in your address book. Make contact. It's comforting and smart.

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 17, 2021 08:23 PM (U2p+3)

273 Howdy! I have a lot of shooting buddies in Canada and have very fond memories Connaught Range outside Ottawa. Coached a team in the 2017 World Championships there. Great times.
Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 07:58 PM (MVjcR)

I'll be here at some point asking tons of questions. Thank you for the great thread.

It doesn't matter, but I did join the NRA the day of the Virginia Tech shootings. I was starting to wise up about then and knew exactly what the story was going to be.

I watch kids shows simply because I don't want to be mad 24 hours a day. I'm amazed that An entire 2 generations of American kids have grown up conditioned to be terrified of guns.

Disney's 'Cadet Kelly', proudly proclaimed no real guns were used during filming. There's never a show with a positive view of weapons. Anyways, drinking, but thanks for the thread..

Jamaican buddy called....never mind...I'm so happy for the gun thread..

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at January 17, 2021 08:23 PM (v2c9/)

274 ...well, except I heard Wayne was more interested in keeping his tailor employed than looking out for gun rights.

You know that quote that goes something like "Every cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket?" Yeah, that's where Wayne has taken the NRA and at this point the NRA version of The Swamp is so entrenched that I'm not convinced that a change in leadership could turn things around any more than DJT was able to turn around the DC version.

Posted by: Oddbob (nee Bob the Bilderberg) at January 17, 2021 08:23 PM (qc+VF)

275 260 Ignore the retard. As soon as I finish my cigar I'll camp out on the delete button.
Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 08:21 PM (MVjcR)

Boom Boom Out Go The Lights!!!

Posted by: ALH at January 17, 2021 08:24 PM (WSGpY)

276 266 Do you all wear hearing protection when you do your target practice?
Posted by: ALH at January 17, 2021 08:22 PM (WSGpY)

One time, once, when I was dumb and stupid, did I try target practice with no hearing pro. I fired three rounds and went for the hearing pro. And I have ever since, in some cases, double hearing pro.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 17, 2021 08:24 PM (M7K2y)

277
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at January 17, 2021 08:22 PM (LWu6U)
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Very helpful info! Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 08:24 PM (MVjcR)

278 Been pulled over twice since having a CCW. Notified the cop both times and was thanked for the information. Sure, they already knew but it made the encounter a bit less stressful. I don't like being the dutiful, compliant citizen any more than the rest but sometimes ya gotta bend a little.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 17, 2021 08:06 PM (W4eKo)

The two times I got stopped, one was in Houston, TX and I had just left a bar and grill after eating dinner and drinking 3 beers. Got the blue light right after I made the turn for the road my hotel was on. Pulled into a parking lot, shut off my vehicle and put both hands on the steering wheel until the sheriff's deputy got to the window, after which I notified him I was carrying and had a permit.

He asked me where it was at and I said console, gave him my license and SC permit, trying all the while not to breath in his direction. He asked if I was in town for business or pleasure and I told him business and I'd been ten weeks on the road and that my hotel was right down the block. After the officer thought about it for a couple of minutes, he handed me my stuff back and told me to get my headlight fixed.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at January 17, 2021 08:25 PM (R5lpX)

279 "Do you all wear hearing protection when you do your target practice?
Posted by: ALH at January 17, 2021 08:22 PM (WSGpY) "

What?

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at January 17, 2021 08:25 PM (AIYX6)

280 I really appreciate reading screaming in digital's story about buying her first gun. Like her, I've never been around guns and I have a very healthy fear of them. But I promised myself, if the worst happened and totalitarians got full control of the government, I would buy one for home defense and as a big FU to the left. *** While I am still permitted to do so. *** I'm enrolled in a handgun 101 class on January 20. I can't think of a better thing to do on that particular day. My new gun is a Glock 43X.

Posted by: Ladyl at January 17, 2021 08:25 PM (TdMsT)

281 If I recall right, at one time, Prvi used .264 bullets for their Carcano ammo, you will need to check.
Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 08:16 PM (pO7gM)

Got it, thanks.

Steinel is working up a few different loads for their line of Carcano ammo so I am gonna shoot a few of their offerings over time and see which is a good fit.

The nice thing is Carcano ammo is still found here and there as it is a kinda forgotten rifle/caliber.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 17, 2021 08:25 PM (R/m4+)

282 Posted by: Stateless Infidel at January 17, 2021 08:23 PM (v2c9/)
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Ask away or email me anytime!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 08:25 PM (MVjcR)

283 266 Do you all wear hearing protection when you do your target practice?
Posted by: ALH at January 17, 2021 08:22 PM (WSGpY)

Yup.

Unless you're shooting suppressed .22 or subsonic ammo, you really want to use hearing pro for all shooting.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at January 17, 2021 08:25 PM (uxJPn)

284 Just want to check in for the last Trump gun thread.
God bless us all in these perilous times.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 17, 2021 08:26 PM (8+0mr)

285 273: I have to say in spite of some of the creatures that infest Parliament Hill, I rather liked Ottawa. It looks very much like a European city, especially the downtown area. I'd go back.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 17, 2021 08:26 PM (M7K2y)

286 Jim SND, I am going over stuff I never shoot and deciding what I keep and what goes. I know some people that I care about who never listened until now. I now call these people 'customers'.

Posted by: Eromero at January 17, 2021 08:26 PM (em79L)

287 I make it a point to not get pulled over

Generally speaking, I do as well. Tail light in the first instance, ten MPH over the speed limit in the second. I seem to attract unwanted attention.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 17, 2021 08:26 PM (W4eKo)

288 The NRA declared bankruptcy. That is not the same as being colloquially bankrupt. That means it has determined that its potential present and future liabilities exceed its ability to pay or some such like that. Declaring (well, filing) "BK" also stays all on-going litigation anywhere ("automatic stay") and requires adverse actions to be tried in the bankruptcy court or the BK judge must grant relief from the stay. This was a smart move by the NRA regardless of how much $ it has. Why the hell it is still in NY after all these years..., oh wait, Wayne LaPierre.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 17, 2021 08:26 PM (KAi1n)

289 244 GWB, it is actually quite accurate and you would find a similar style bullet in the original issued ammo for the Swede 1896 Mauser (and other Mannlicher type ammo). Take a look at our Krag and the original Springfield .30-03 round. Same look.

Spitzer bullets first came from the French with their 8mm Lebel load, and then copied by the Germans in 1905 I believe along with the Germans changing the bullet diameter from .318 (in the older GEW88 and Mauser 98's) to the .323 8x57 Mauser as it is currently.

If you ever mess around with cast bullets, the best for old military surplus are generally long and heavy. They carry a wallop at the other end, proceed slowly enough to fully seal and engrave with the rifling, and minimize lead fouling. Some apparently "worn out" barrels with worn rifling can shoot quite accurately with cast bullets of this type.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 08:27 PM (pO7gM)

290 @ALH, I've put foam plugs in my ears under my Howard Leight hearing protection. I was shooting at an indoor range, target practice, and a guy a few lanes down was shooting an AR with a muzzle break. Incredibly unpleasant experience.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 08:27 PM (WEBkv)

291 btw, I thought they were based in VA, not NYC. I know most major companies have a presence near The Swamp but I thought their HQ was in VA.
Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2021 08:14 PM (dVcaa)

They're filing chapter 11 so they can reincorporate in TX, not fucking NY. The problem as the morons saw it on Friday is, LaPierre is the problem, and if he's still around, things aren't going to improve. I see their point. Otherwise, it's a move that should have been made ages ago. Nothing I'd love to see more than NY left holding the bag.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 17, 2021 08:27 PM (L8ADy)

292 MH-53J, thanks! I look forward to hearing from you and maybe shooting with you in the spring or summer. I went over the Summit in near whiteout conditions once... never again if I can help it.

Posted by: screaming in digital at January 17, 2021 08:27 PM (k42hV)

293 Last Trump edition?? The fun is just starting.

Posted by: New Leaf at January 17, 2021 08:27 PM (VbApm)

294 Do you all wear hearing protection when you do your target practice?
Posted by: ALH

WHAT ?

Posted by: JT at January 17, 2021 08:28 PM (arJlL)

295 Fake LCD. I'll get it.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 08:28 PM (MVjcR)

296 Posted by: Ladyl at January 17, 2021 08:25 PM (TdMsT)

I got my very first gun for Christmas this year, a hammerless Ruger. I didn't have the strength to pull back the trigger on anything else using one hand.
I tried a Glock a couple of times, but each time, the slide bit me.

Posted by: ALH at January 17, 2021 08:28 PM (WSGpY)

297 Do you all wear hearing protection when you do your target practice?
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WHAT??

Posted by: andycanuck at January 17, 2021 08:28 PM (ab0zp)

298 Boom Boom Out Go The Lights!!!
Posted by: ALH at January 17, 2021 08:24 PM (WSGpY)

Hey! That's my line.....

Posted by: Pat Travers at January 17, 2021 08:28 PM (R/m4+)

299 Visiting my mom this weekend, and she's terrified that there's going to be an ISIS style massacre committed by the evil MAGAns on the 20th. I couldn't figure out where that was coming from until the national news came on, talking about the violent armed coup by domestic terrorists on the 6th. I quit listening to the news after the Russia-Russia-Russia scam/self-delusion/psy-op took over the news and I found out my local news had a weather only channel. Damn. I had no idea the project and the projection was going this far.

Posted by: Vichy Downcast at January 17, 2021 08:28 PM (uaE7n)

300 Unless you're shooting suppressed .22 or subsonic ammo, you really want to use hearing pro for all shooting.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at January 17, 2021 08:25 PM (uxJPn)
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I shot with a guy who was shooting an AR platform chambered in 300 Blackout. Quieter than a .22. It was unreal.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 08:28 PM (WEBkv)

301 blake, assume that was with the M1?

Last range duty day I shot just one mag (5 rounds) with a Mosin off-hand, using a sling of course, and was happy to get 3 of the 5 into the black @100 yds. Other two were on the paper, not far off. Soviet surplus ammo, iron sights.

In the action rifle matches a few years back when I used a Mosin, I'd rarely need more than 3 shots to hit the 200-yd target (a not very generous steel tube painted white, or a not very large plate), kneeling, or supporting the rifle on an object/edge. Some of the guys with those funny black plastic rifle things with big telescopes or whatever they are on top would be a bit taken aback.

With the M1, I just empty the clip at that target, it's fun, and I'm sure I'm scaring or wounding it, at least (nice cloud of dust, too).

Posted by: rhomboid at January 17, 2021 08:28 PM (OTzUX)

302 Nobody? No...? Nothing?

OK.
Posted by: hogmartin at January 17, 2021 08:08 PM (t+qrx)

Lol, Yes. Me.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at January 17, 2021 08:29 PM (Dz5W3)

303 One time, once, when I was dumb and stupid, did I try target practice with no hearing pro. I fired three rounds and went for the hearing pro. And I have ever since, in some cases, double hearing pro.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 17, 2021 08:24 PM (M7K2y)

I have moto earplugs on my keychain that are good for about NRR 14 (they're OK for pistols outdoors, generally). I tried using them at an indoor range once when I forgot my earmuffs, and that lasted about three rounds too.

Posted by: hogmartin at January 17, 2021 08:29 PM (t+qrx)

304 I'm enrolled in a handgun 101 class on January 20. I can't think of a better thing to do on that particular day.

If your instruction is good, you will have an entirely different outlook when the course has been completed. Best of luck to ya!

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 17, 2021 08:29 PM (W4eKo)

305 ALH, hope you are well. Long time no talk. Try out Howard Leight Impact Pros. Only cost a little more that Howard Leight Impact Sports. You shouldn't need to double up with plugs with them. I help run IDPA pistol matches and they are all I need for my old sensitive ears.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 17, 2021 08:29 PM (8+0mr)

306 Hello Horde!

I did IDPA yesterday, and on the first stage of the first match of the year I pulled a shot low and shot a hostage. It was a blocker target too, so I got the penalty for a missed shot as well as the penalty for the hostage hit. Welcome to 2021!

On a different stage I got a double-feed jam which cost me ten seconds of prying an empty shell from the chamber. That's a good reminder to practice my malfunction drills some more.

Posted by: Lazy Messenger at January 17, 2021 08:30 PM (KP12d)

307 Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 08:27 PM (WEBkv)

My gun is a 22, and the noise isn't too bad. Hubs uses a 38 usually and the noise really hurts my ears. I don't know how he stands it.

Posted by: ALH at January 17, 2021 08:30 PM (WSGpY)

308 With the M1, I just empty the clip at that target, it's fun, and I'm sure I'm scaring or wounding it, at least (nice cloud of dust, too).
Posted by: rhomboid at January 17, 2021 08:28 PM (OTzUX)
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K31. I put some aperture sights on it. Rear aperture, front tunnel. Incredibly accurate.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 08:30 PM (WEBkv)

309 Hickok seems to like the P365.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n29qgsP9B-E

Posted by: Braenyard at January 17, 2021 08:30 PM (uN66u)

310 Weasel, #285 is our teenager again, socking regulars.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 17, 2021 08:30 PM (OTzUX)

311 >Do you all wear hearing protection when you do your target practice?
Posted by: ALH

WHAT?

Posted by: DB- just DB at January 17, 2021 08:30 PM (iTXRQ)

312 215 Jen,
I believe that Cathy (of Cornered Cat fame) is retired now and not sure that the website is active.

I do know that Vicki Farnam (husband John) do training across the country for females only as well as mixed training.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 08:31 PM (pO7gM)

313 Jentheoriginal, thanks for the book recommendation! I've been thinking and praying a lot along these lines. Right now I'm deliberately keeping my pistol in a hard to reach place in my home, and it won't leave my home except for practice or training for the time being, because I know I'm not mentally (or mechanically!) ready to carry.

Posted by: screaming in digital at January 17, 2021 08:31 PM (k42hV)

314 Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 17, 2021 08:29 PM (8+0mr)

TR!!! How have you been? Where have you been hiding? It's great to see you here!!

Posted by: ALH at January 17, 2021 08:31 PM (WSGpY)

315 I can't shoot my Kel Tec 2000 with muffs so I just use foam plugs which surprisingly was not too bad.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 17, 2021 08:32 PM (2DOZq)

316 In TX, when I took my CHL class in 2010, we were told that we are to self-identify right away when stopped by the cops.

Since I moved to the Panhandle I have been stopped about once or twice a year, especially by overzealous DPS troopers. (They are all looking for drugs coming down from CO. They love busting people for pot here. If you drive up here with out of state tags, don't be surprised if DPS follows you around when driving around the Panhandle, looking for a reason to pull you over.) I have found that once they see your CHL/LTC, that takes out a line of questioning. (No TX cop is going to be dumb enough to ask if you have a warrant - how can you with a LTC? The LTC says you are a Boy Scout - especially given the legal anal rectal exam DPS will give you for applying for one.)
I must have been pulled over a dozen times up here since I moved here, and only once did I get a ticket.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 17, 2021 08:32 PM (M7K2y)

317 I'd like to welcome kdabear to the gun thread... but that fourth gif is WAY unsafe. At that angle she's asking for rounds to skip and go far disentangle in an unpredictable fashion.

She's also wearing too much clothing.

Posted by: GWB at January 17, 2021 08:32 PM (lclUd)

318 My gun is a 22, and the noise isn't too bad. Hubs uses a 38 usually and the noise really hurts my ears. I don't know how he stands it.
Posted by: ALH at January 17, 2021 08:30 PM (WSGpY)
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If you're directly behind the muzzle, the noise isn't as bad as being off to one side.

That said, one should always wear hearing protection.

Side note: Whenever I've run the timer for a guy shooting a rifle that has a muzzle break, I always try to stand directly behind, otherwise, even with hearing protection, the noise is almost overwhelming.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 08:32 PM (WEBkv)

319 Do you all wear hearing protection when you do your target practice?

Without fail. Noise-induced hearing loss is permanent and cumulative. I remember as a pre-29-something that we would have scoffed at the wusses wearing plugs or muffs at the range. We were wrong.

Posted by: Oddbob (nee Bob the Bilderberg) at January 17, 2021 08:32 PM (qc+VF)

320 I once popped off a few .45 rounds, outdoors in a Utah desert, with no hearing protection. My ears rang all day.

So those TV gunfights are bullshit. Everybody not dead would be deaf.

Posted by: DB- just DB at January 17, 2021 08:33 PM (iTXRQ)

321 Thanks CBD. I'm back at my PC now.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 08:33 PM (MVjcR)

322 I've had one field sobriety test in my life. (I was as sober as I could be after 2 beers and 1 scotch in 4 hours but I made a California stop going up the hill to buy a salad from Safeway at 1:00 a.m.) Cop tells me it's a test of my ability to drive (his words). Stand up straight, arms at my side, eyes closed. In my head keep track of 60 seconds. When time is up, say time. Cop had a stop watch. At 57 it felt like I was a bit ahead so I slowed my count, 58, 59, time. I opened my eyes as I said "time" and saw him hit the stop button on his stopwatch. His response was priceless. "On the nose." ("Your honor, the officer said he was testing my ability to drive and it was perfect.") So he let me go with a warning to make sure I stopped completely on the way down. I did but he wasn't around.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 17, 2021 08:33 PM (KAi1n)

323 I always try to stand directly behind, otherwise, even with hearing protection, the noise is almost overwhelming.
Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 08:32 PM (WEBkv)

Thank you, that is a good tip, I will try that next time we target practice.

Posted by: ALH at January 17, 2021 08:34 PM (WSGpY)

324 301 rhomboid, if you shot that well with a bone stock Mosin, you would love what the Finns did with them. The Finns even tinkered with the original Mosin sights and made the rear slot somewhat adjustable for windage. The later 28/30 and subsequent Finn Mosins use the same excellent sights to more closely resemble Swiss K31 sights than Russian Mosins.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 08:34 PM (pO7gM)

325 blake a K31 is usually a much finer platform than a Mosin (an unmodified one), I'd expect much more accurate. And the surplus ammo. Rifle and ammo are fine for what they were built for, which isn't target competitions.

I did "accurize" a Mosin once, the historically accurate way, which involves wrapping a small band of oil-soaked felt around the barrel up near the front barrel band. Think the felt was too thick, or I didn't do it right, didn't seem to make much of a difference. Called a "salka".

Posted by: rhomboid at January 17, 2021 08:34 PM (OTzUX)

326 muzzle brake.

Yeesh.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 08:34 PM (WEBkv)

327 Mongo, Pawn in Game of Life

I saw you just moved to Kansas.

What county? I'm in RL.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 17, 2021 08:34 PM (u82oZ)

328 257 ... "So yeah NoVa who can I go to about my AR"

Blaster,
Check out C and R Firearms on Balls Ford Road. They did a fine job for me and I'll bet they can do ARs as well.

Posted by: JTB at January 17, 2021 08:34 PM (7EjX1)

329 The NRA declared bankruptcy. That is not the same as being colloquially
bankrupt. That means it has determined that its potential present and
future liabilities exceed its ability to pay or some such like that.

I wonder if that has something to do with NY trying to make them pay taxes after they leave like CA.

Posted by: dartist at January 17, 2021 08:34 PM (+ya+t)

330 Flat-rate USPS boxes with 50-lbs of lead bullets from Missouri Bullet have never walked off my front porch. I think I know why.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 17, 2021 08:34 PM (OTzUX)

331 "So those TV gunfights are bullshit. Everybody not dead would be deaf."

This is why the most common line in Westerns is "whaddya say mister?"

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at January 17, 2021 08:35 PM (AIYX6)

332 To continue post 316: as a bonus, when stopped, I tell the cop where the gun is. Doesn't hurt. I know a lot of people think that's a bad idea, but I think that puts the cop at ease. Besides, many times they ask if I am carrying anyway once they see the LTC.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 17, 2021 08:35 PM (M7K2y)

333 286 273: I have to say in spite of some of the creatures that infest Parliament Hill, I rather liked Ottawa. It looks very much like a European city, especially the downtown area. I'd go back.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 17, 2021 08:26 PM (M7K2y)

It is pretty. But I hope it all burns.
When all those pretty buildings just become places where our 'elite' just rule us on high, I'm fine with torching everything. We can put in a zero income tax rate, a one year limit on all of their wonderful ideas and they can meet at the local Tim Hortons.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at January 17, 2021 08:36 PM (v2c9/)

334 I wonder if that has something to do with NY trying to make them pay taxes after they leave like CA.
Posted by: dartist at January 17, 2021 08:34 PM (+ya+t)

I can see NY charging exorbitant exit taxes to citizens and companies trying to leave the state.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 17, 2021 08:36 PM (M7K2y)

335 well, my posts got blocked. hmmmm

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 17, 2021 08:36 PM (8+0mr)

336 So I watched a video and the guy got 40 year old Milsurp ammo. When he opened the cans it was in perfect condition. here's the question. It was this.

Austrian 7.62�51 FMJ, Ball ammo on 5rd clips in bandoliers

Which he said was basically 308 caliber. Anyone know about this? Can it be fired In a 308 rifle?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at January 17, 2021 08:36 PM (Dz5W3)

337 Outdoor range, always either plugs or muffs.

Indoor range, always both.

So far, so good.

I am extremely careful about hearing protection.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 17, 2021 08:37 PM (OTzUX)

338 Thanks again, Weasel.
And for you and miss him I emailed a 1911 pick that I hope is worth your time.

Posted by: Inogame - Trump won at January 17, 2021 08:37 PM (+2xjH)

339 Definitely a good idea. Going forward, I think that gun stickers on your vehicle are an invitation for the cops to stop and hassle you just because.

There are many places that won't allow CCW in their buildings. Life Time Fitness is one of those that will eject a member for bringing in a firearm.

The side effect is, those who have gun or hunting stickers on their cars get broken in and their guns stolen.

It happens a lot and car break-ins, in an increasing number of jurisdictions is no longer an event that police will respond to. So just having the sticker is an invitation to broken windows.

Posted by: Observer at January 17, 2021 08:37 PM (nhfjb)

340 Mis hum

Posted by: Inogame - Trump won at January 17, 2021 08:37 PM (+2xjH)

341
It is pretty. But I hope it all burns.
When all those pretty buildings just become places where our 'elite' just rule us on high, I'm fine with torching everything. We can put in a zero income tax rate, a one year limit on all of their wonderful ideas and they can meet at the local Tim Hortons.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at January 17, 2021 08:36 PM (v2c9/)

I thought Canadians liked Tim Horton's. Why would you bring down a place like that by having MPs meet there?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 17, 2021 08:37 PM (M7K2y)

342 TR!!! How have you been? Where have you been hiding? It's great to see you here!!
Posted by: ALH
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And you likewise ALH

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 17, 2021 08:37 PM (8+0mr)

343 Posted by: Inogame - Trump won at January 17, 2021 08:37 PM (+2xjH)
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Thanks! I'll look for it.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 08:37 PM (MVjcR)

344 Noise-induced hearing loss is permanent and cumulative.

Sure is. My Pop's hearing completely bit the dust in his early 60's. He always attributed it to too many rounds out of the Garand and being in the thick of both incoming and outgoing artillery.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 17, 2021 08:38 PM (W4eKo)

345 Cannibal Bob, they're the same caliber, should be fine for any .308 rifle. Lots of paired/different names for the same caliber, caliber designations are a very quirky and complicated part of firearms history.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 17, 2021 08:38 PM (OTzUX)

346 335 well, my posts got blocked. hmmmm
Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 17, 2021 08:36 PM (8+0mr)

Did you try to reset your modem to get a new nic?

Posted by: ALH at January 17, 2021 08:38 PM (WSGpY)

347 266 Do you all wear hearing protection when you do your target practice?
Posted by: ALH at January 17, 2021 08:22 PM (WSGpY)

Yup.

I have a zip lock baggy full of foam ear plugs I keep in the car just in case. Not just shooting, but day to day living weirdness. I went out for a photo shoot once (I do virtual tours) and the condo I went to had something crazy going on with one of the condos in the complex, and every GD fire alarm was going off, outside, inside, everything. I was SO glad I had those things! I also keep a pair of safety glasses in the trunk as well. Ear and eye protection always.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 17, 2021 08:38 PM (L8ADy)

348 339 Definitely a good idea. Going forward, I think that gun stickers on your vehicle are an invitation for the cops to stop and hassle you just because.

There are many places that won't allow CCW in their buildings. Life Time Fitness is one of those that will eject a member for bringing in a firearm.

The side effect is, those who have gun or hunting stickers on their cars get broken in and their guns stolen.

It happens a lot and car break-ins, in an increasing number of jurisdictions is no longer an event that police will respond to. So just having the sticker is an invitation to broken windows.
Posted by: Observer at January 17, 2021 08:37 PM (nhfjb)

In TX the cops might leave you alone. My biggest worry would be inviting thieves to break in to my vehicle. Hence no stickers of any kind on my truck.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 17, 2021 08:39 PM (M7K2y)

349 Which he said was basically 308 caliber. Anyone know about this? Can it be fired In a 308 rifle?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at January 17, 2021 08:36 PM (Dz5W3)

Short answer, yes.
Unlike the 5.56 mm vs .223 the 7.62 x 51 and .308 chamber the same.

Posted by: Inogame - Trump won at January 17, 2021 08:39 PM (+2xjH)

350 Ladyl, thank you so much! I wish I could practice shooting with you! Please tell us about your training class. And yes, what a great way to spend your time on that particular day.

Posted by: screaming in digital at January 17, 2021 08:39 PM (k42hV)

351 336, Yes, if it is 7.62x51 NATO, It can be fired in a .308 rifle. Major difference is that semi autos have a narrow range for proper operation and bolt guns do not.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 08:39 PM (pO7gM)

352 Do you all wear hearing protection when you do your target practice?
Posted by: ALH at January 17, 2021 08:22 PM (WSGpY)
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Absolutely.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 08:39 PM (MVjcR)

353 Very timely post, Weasel, and I thank you for it.

Posted by: AJ Duie at January 17, 2021 08:40 PM (aN2pn)

354 Most .308 rifles will fire the 7.62x.51 round. They are fairly interchangeable with limited exceptions. .308 has a higher chamber pressure so you should always check if a 7.62 designated rifle is Alex's for the .308.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at January 17, 2021 08:40 PM (AIYX6)

355 I once popped off a few .45 rounds, outdoors in a Utah desert, with no hearing protection. My ears rang all day.

So those TV gunfights are bullshit. Everybody not dead would be deaf.

Posted by: DB- just DB at January 17, 2021 08:33 PM (iTXRQ)

My ears have rung for 50 years. Told someone the other day that I would probably be lonely without it.

Posted by: Javems at January 17, 2021 08:40 PM (8SSHh)

356 whig, thanks for the great info, as usual. My firearm illness is mild in some areas, so with Mosins, I've been happy to just get some nice ex-dragoons and a ton of surplus ammo, clean them up, and play. No Finns or PU snipers. Actually only thing I'm kinda sorta keeping an eye out for is an M38 in an M38 stock, in very good condition (yeah, they're not common), and a 91/59 in excellent condition (not uncommon, some seem unfired post-modification).

Posted by: rhomboid at January 17, 2021 08:40 PM (OTzUX)

357 Re: gun grabbing, I'm curious how the Democrats are going to attempt to reconcile "guns are bad, only the police should have them" and "the police are bad, you should do it yourself."

Posted by: CppThis at January 17, 2021 07:35 PM (zcf1k)

Easy. By declaring that only _their_ police will have guns. They probably (being dumb American progressives, instead of the Euro kind with longer histories) won't come up with any cool names for them, though, like "Stasi".

Posted by: GWB at January 17, 2021 08:41 PM (lclUd)

358 Still waiting to hear how my son qualified with the M16. Qual day was a couple of weeks ago, but haven't got a letter yet.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 17, 2021 08:41 PM (kTF2Z)

359 Posted by: AJ Duie at January 17, 2021 08:40 PM (aN2pn)
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Thanks! Happy to do it.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 08:41 PM (MVjcR)

360 329 dartist, NY has a law that allows them to dissolve corporations including non-profits by the AG. The deranged AG from NYC is one of the ones hounding DJT and their family as well as the NRA.

They are doing that so the fed courts get involved which makes her sit on the sidelines.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 08:42 PM (pO7gM)

361 350 Ladyl, thank you so much! I wish I could practice shooting with you! Please tell us about your training class. And yes, what a great way to spend your time on that particular day.
Posted by: screaming in digital at January 17, 2021 08:39 PM (k42hV)

I'd love to go to the range with you! Probably not too convenient unless you live in the Great Lakes area!

Posted by: Ladyl at January 17, 2021 08:42 PM (TdMsT)

362 In years past some states offered special license plates for doctors (to help in situations where they were responding to some medical situation, I think). I believe few doctors got them.

Drugs. Advertising yourself for break-ins. Same same with other kinds of stickers - potentially - including gun stickers.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 17, 2021 08:43 PM (OTzUX)

363 Posted by: Ladyl at January 17, 2021 08:42 PM (TdMsT)
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Hey there! Got your email - just haven't had a chance to reply yet.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 08:43 PM (MVjcR)

364 There's a listing for a Kel-Tec Bullpup RFB .308 for a pretty darned decent price considering CA, with

Being a lefty, a typical bullpup ejects right in my face, and it's also an issue with some AR's. Seems an interesting concept, but - ready for prime time?

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 17, 2021 08:43 PM (L8ADy)

365 I shot some .410 ammo of my Dad's. From the 60's. No failures to feed or fire.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 17, 2021 08:44 PM (u82oZ)

366 356, I did see M38's around in good condition for about 5 bills a year or two ago. Last ones that I saw in bulk came from Classic Arms about 3-4 years ago with many having cracked stocks etc. Occasionally, I will see a 91/59 on sale at Gunbroker but usually at a very inflated price.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 08:44 PM (pO7gM)

367 They're filing chapter 11 so they can reincorporate in TX, not fucking NY. The problem as the morons saw it on Friday is, LaPierre is the problem, and if he's still around, things aren't going to improve. I see their point. Otherwise, it's a move that should have been made ages ago. Nothing I'd love to see more than NY left holding the bag.
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 17, 2021 08:27 PM (L8ADy)

The NRA will have to change its ways at the top if they want me to support them again. Mr. LaPierre has been there too long and the board keeps voting for him again and again. They will have to term-limit their top leadership and severely restrict their budgets. For starters.

Time to get refocused on the mission, guys.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 17, 2021 08:44 PM (M7K2y)

368 So those TV gunfights are bullshit. Everybody not dead would be deaf.

Posted by: DB- just DB at January 17, 2021 08:33 PM (iTXRQ)

I've read and been told that firing under duress is different. That you block it out somehow.
I'm only sharing because it's what I was told and happened to read, I fortunately have no personal experience just wanted to share.
That being said I also know a member of the presidents 100 with tinnitus, so who knows.
I do laugh when I see indoor fire fights on tv with barrels next to peoples heads...

Posted by: Inogame - Trump won at January 17, 2021 08:44 PM (+2xjH)

369 I wonder how much money Harry Reid gave Mr. LaPierre.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 17, 2021 08:45 PM (2DOZq)

370 On Saturday, we went to Franklin Guns in Athens, GA. There were so many people in there, we couldn't get close to the counter.
You sure can tell it's close to Frauduration Day.

Posted by: ALH at January 17, 2021 08:45 PM (WSGpY)

371 Italian shooting team

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 17, 2021 07:43 PM (R/m4+)

How does that square with the "only dropped once" joke?

Posted by: GWB at January 17, 2021 08:46 PM (lclUd)

372 So those TV gunfights are bullshit. Everybody not dead would be deaf.

Posted by: DB- just DB at January 17, 2021 08:33 PM (iTXRQ)

There's a tv show adult cartoon 'Archer'. He's a spy. With tinnitus.

In several episodes, he fires off weapons and has ringing ears and lasting ear damage afterwards.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at January 17, 2021 08:46 PM (v2c9/)

373 I practice extreme discretion with gun stuff, as I've mentioned before. Garage door is down before a rifle case or ammo can comes out of the car. Or before a round is reloaded at the bench.

But it's burglars etc that are the point. If nobody, including neighbors, has any idea of anything worth stealing in your house, that info can't seep into other ears.

Have a nice road bike (bicycle) hanging in the garage, keep that totally covered up as well. It's all about not being a target for burglars, to me. Nothing to do with anti-gun mania - though that is now added to the list, as I have lost confidence in society generally.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 17, 2021 08:46 PM (OTzUX)

374 Excellent content, Weasel.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 17, 2021 08:46 PM (r+sAi)

375 300 Unless you're shooting suppressed .22 or subsonic ammo, you really want to use hearing pro for all shooting.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at January 17, 2021 08:25 PM (uxJPn)
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I shot with a guy who was shooting an AR platform chambered in 300 Blackout. Quieter than a .22. It was unreal.
Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 08:28 PM (WEBkv)

Lazy Messenger has a .300 BLK bolt gun. It's about as quite as snapping my fingers. Great tool.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at January 17, 2021 08:47 PM (uxJPn)

376 Clutch

it is not a good choice for a first 1911, but I know many rave about them. Sure they could just get a BHP but still, a lot of people like them. I think back in the day they might have cost more, certainly not less as they were rare.

Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2021 08:47 PM (dVcaa)

377 Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 17, 2021 08:46 PM (r+sAi)
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Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 08:47 PM (MVjcR)

378 Being a lefty, a typical bullpup ejects right in my face, and it's also an issue with some AR's. Seems an interesting concept, but - ready for prime time?
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 17, 2021 08:43 PM (L8ADy)

I'm also a southpaw, my Tavor flips ejection sides.
Though, fundamentally I feel like a battle rifle needs to be able to be shot wrong handed. I just wanted to try a bull pup out to be honest.

Posted by: Inogame - Trump won at January 17, 2021 08:47 PM (+2xjH)

379 Thanks so much you guys for the caliber info. It is NATO round he was talking about, but I read all your comments closely and attempt to understand. Much appreciated.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at January 17, 2021 08:48 PM (Dz5W3)

380 I'd love to go to the range with you! Probably not too convenient unless you live in the Great Lakes area!
Posted by: Ladyl at January 17, 2021 08:42 PM (TdMsT)
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I'm in Wyo but I hope to make it to a MoMe this year. Last October, I almost worked up the nerve to go to Texas, but I bailed. I wish I hadn't!!

Posted by: screaming in digital at January 17, 2021 08:48 PM (k42hV)

381 It's all about not being a target for burglars, to me. I have lost confidence in society generally.
Posted by: rhomboid at January 17, 2021 08:46 PM (OTzUX)

Fist Bump

Posted by: ALH at January 17, 2021 08:48 PM (WSGpY)

382 At least they occasionally address no ear protection on Archer.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 17, 2021 08:48 PM (2DOZq)

383 363 Posted by: Ladyl at January 17, 2021 08:42 PM (TdMsT)
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Hey there! Got your email - just haven't had a chance to reply yet.
Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 08:43 PM (MVjcR)

No problem, Weasel. You will see that my thoughts are a bit chaotic right now.

Posted by: Ladyl at January 17, 2021 08:48 PM (TdMsT)

384 I chose a pistol that fit my hand well.

Smith and Wesson. Hope it doesn't jam when/if I need it.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at January 17, 2021 08:48 PM (2BZBZ)

385 He was a pretty cool dude.

Posted by: Oddbob (nee Bob the Bilderberg) at January 17, 2021 07:44 PM (qc+VF)

I want his hat. I've got a thing for hats.

Posted by: GWB at January 17, 2021 08:49 PM (lclUd)

386 364 There's a listing for a Kel-Tec Bullpup RFB .308 for a pretty darned decent price considering CA, with

Being a lefty, a typical bullpup ejects right in my face, and it's also an issue with some AR's. Seems an interesting concept, but - ready for prime time?
Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 17, 2021 08:43 PM (L8ADy)

Kel Tec bullpups eject downward (or forward for one model), so good for lefties.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at January 17, 2021 08:49 PM (uxJPn)

387 DO NOT SHOOT WITHOUT HEARING PROTECTION!!
Doesn't matter if the ammo is 22 shorts. Black powder is not as concussive sounding but it can still cause damage.

Yeah, in emergencies you do what you have to. But I keep 38 specials in the 357 home defense guns. If you think 38 specials are loud, especially in an enclosed space, you can't imagine the volume and pain of 357 rounds.

I have, maybe, 50 percent of my hearing left due to genetics. Damned if I'll risk the rest at the target range.

Posted by: JTB at January 17, 2021 08:49 PM (7EjX1)

388 Last October, I almost worked up the nerve to go to Texas, but I bailed. I wish I hadn't!!
Posted by: screaming in digital at January 17, 2021 08:48 PM (k42hV)
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We need to talk!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 08:49 PM (MVjcR)

389 My Finn is a Model 28 built on a 1905 Sestroryetsk receiver that still has the Romanov eagle crest on it along with Finn National Guard marks. It has a heavy Sig made barrel (the first iteration used Swiss barrels until the Finns got spooled up to make them) on it and the main blemish was a damaged handguard and some dillhole tapped one screw hole in the receiver. The rear sights have a drift function via small screws for the rear sight blade and the front have the early version of the 'Spitz' front sight later carried over to the 28/30 and the 38.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 08:49 PM (pO7gM)

390 Smith and Wesson. Hope it doesn't jam when/if I need it.
Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at January 17, 2021 08:48 PM (2BZBZ)

Any modern S&W automatic will be good to great in reliability. Never had a jam with my M&P Compact, though I probably only have 1 or 2 thousands rounds through it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at January 17, 2021 08:50 PM (uxJPn)

391 Do you think the hood gangs put in ear pro prior to drive bys ?

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 17, 2021 08:50 PM (2DOZq)

392 Whig thanks I did not know if the mag was still being published. The book is available though on Amazon.

Posted by: Jen the original at January 17, 2021 08:50 PM (/m1b3)

393 There's a listing for a Kel-Tec Bullpup RFB .308 for a pretty darned decent price considering CA, with
Seems an interesting concept, but - ready for prime time?
Posted by: clutch cargo

RFB! I was an early adopter, and I do like it very much. It was perhaps not quite ready for prime time, at least out of the box. I wouldn't use it as a primary without a lot of testing. They've made improvements from the original design, most importantly the 'Gen 2' gas system.

Posted by: Lazy Messenger at January 17, 2021 08:50 PM (KP12d)

394 tv gunfights, whenever a gun is introduced to a scene, there is a generic shotgun cocking noise. The don't see how it is possible to point an inanimate object without making a startling sound effect.

I recall there was a movie years ago called The Way of the Gun or whatever. They actors AND producers made a point of trying to make it real. One thing they did do was not put their fingers on the trigger every time the pulled a weapon.

Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2021 08:50 PM (dVcaa)

395 No one will charge Trump or anyone in his family.

Not the AGs of NY, DC or the feds. And not the DA in Atlanta.

They know that will be the beginning of a very quick end.

It's political posturing. They are all fundraising and trying to elevate their names within the Dem party.

Posted by: LOLGF at January 17, 2021 08:50 PM (DVW2r)

396 I just ordered noise cancelling headphones that will be delivered tomorrow. Inexpensive ones, until I know better what I want. But part of my class on Wednesday is an hour at the range.

Posted by: Ladyl at January 17, 2021 08:51 PM (TdMsT)

397 I've never seen a good-condition M38 in an M38 stock in the flesh, only on Empire Arms email, a few times.

91/59s are around, even in CA. Haven't been monitoring the websites lately but they used to come up for sale occasionally.

My average price for the 91/30s I have is about $110, now they seem to go from $250 and up (way up), so I'm sure 91/59s, which were always more expensive, have gone up a lot.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 17, 2021 08:51 PM (OTzUX)

398 Weasel, if you're still in your bunker following this. Thanks so much. Great info,

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at January 17, 2021 08:52 PM (Dz5W3)

399 Flat-rate USPS boxes with 50-lbs of lead bullets from Missouri Bullet have never walked off my front porch. I think I know why.
Posted by: rhomboid at January 17, 2021 08:34 PM (OTzUX)

It's hard to serpentine when you're carrying 50 lbs.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 17, 2021 08:52 PM (LxTcq)

400 The NRA will have to change its ways at the top if they want me to support them again.

• Cause
• Business
• Racket ← (you are here)

Posted by: Observer at January 17, 2021 08:52 PM (MC/ne)

401 So those TV gunfights are bullshit. Everybody not dead would be deaf.

Posted by: DB- just DB at January 17, 2021 08:33 PM (iTXRQ)

My ears have rung for 50 years. Told someone the other day that I would probably be lonely without it.
Posted by: Javems at January 17, 2021 08:40 PM (8SSHh)

Anybody see the movie "Guns Akimbo"? Kinda weird black comedy thing, but has its moments, very much like a comic book. Anyway, the protagonist is the guy who was Harry Potter (no idea his name), most of the movie has his narration about what's happening to him.

At the beginning of the movie, he's - well he finds himself stuck with guns for hands. Right off the bat he's trying to use his phone to call for help and he fires one of the guns. And the comment is "you know in the movies when they're all shooting and... well it's a lot louder than that" as he begins to vomit in his coffee cup. Yes, they're loud.

Even John Wick 2 couldn't help themselves with the suppressor myth during the airport "shootout".

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 17, 2021 08:52 PM (L8ADy)

402 I'm thinking about getting a UPS mailbox to take ammo deliveries...

what say the Horde?

Posted by: DB- just DB

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go to your local UPS store... or the equivalent. more than a few gun people at ours, so delivery day is show n tell time. got some 458 SOCOM bullets in Caturday: poor packing, and bullets were loose in the UPS cart when the got the delivery... stuffed in what they could find, re-taped the box, and soto-voice told me about it when i came in to get it. i'll be e-mailing Midway for a do over.

Posted by: redc1c4 (Biden Cheated!) at January 17, 2021 08:52 PM (8TU7E)

403 Im assuming the name of this weekly post will change to "How I Lost All My Ammo and Firearms Due To Kayaking Misadventure". At least thats what Im telling the ATF Goodwill and Brotherhood rep when he stops by..
Posted by: THE Lonebadger

See, this it. Longterm storage plans may be necessary for your rifles, pistols. Somewhere that a warranted search by ATF or some other agency won't necessarily find. Those things that Weasel showed in the article. Something to think about.
And storing ammunition, too. Real ammo boxes you can get from government surplus stores (is there one near you?) and stored with dessicant to keep your powder dry (literally).
We are making plans on storage for older firearms we own that our government might not be aware of.

This is something for everybody to consider. And sure, you live in Texas or some other allegedly firearm friendly state. It won't happen to you, until it does.
Good luck, and think about this.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative ....Living on the prison planet at January 17, 2021 08:53 PM (ZCiJZ)

404 Posted by: Cannibal Bob at January 17, 2021 08:52 PM (Dz5W3)
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Thanks Amigo! Right here. I had to get up a minute ago to let FSJ back in. I'd left him outside and he was a little popsicle.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 08:53 PM (MVjcR)

405 That summit is horrible in the winter. Last February I took a co-worker to Laramie for shoulder surgery at 5 am and the roads were horrible. Semi's parked in the passing lane, black ice, yuck. Had to go south to Owl Canyon Road and over to I-25 to get home because I-80 was closed.
Posted by: MH-53J at January 17, 2021 08:07 PM (7NmRg)

I'll never forget the traffic jam in WY that followed the total solar eclipse on August 21, 2017. I departed Exit 126 on I-25 at 1400. I didn't cross into northern CO until 2200 or so.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 17, 2021 08:53 PM (M7K2y)

406 or pupsicle!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 08:54 PM (MVjcR)

407 I've got a cool 1911 story. While working at a local gun shop in Reno, NV (pre Cabelas, Sportman Wherehouse and Scheels) I had an old timer that came in to the shop wanting to see if we'd be interested in his 1911. The shop dealed in used guns and if someone brought one in that was worthy, we'd purchase it.
At the time I knew a little bit about the history of the 1911 and the various companies that were contracted to build and supply them during WWII, but not enough at the time. The old timer that brought it in said he was a fighter escort pilot flying P-47's and that he had won the gun in a card game from a B-17 crew member in England.
Just that story alone had me jacked up to buy it but I couldn't tell who the hell it was manufactured by except that it was manufactured in Elizabeth, NJ. I went and grabbed the owners son who was the gun department manager and told him what I was looking at but wasn't sure what the value could be placed at. When I told him it said Elizabeth, NJ his response was GTFO and he beelined to the gun counter.
He looked for an upside down looking "P" near a sight, authenticated it. It was a Singer. $12,500 later and a "For Display Only" it was the shops.

Posted by: JROD at January 17, 2021 08:54 PM (0jZnq)

408 I just ordered noise cancelling headphones that will be delivered tomorrow. Inexpensive ones, until I know better what I want. But part of my class on Wednesday is an hour at the range.
Posted by: Ladyl at January 17, 2021 08:51 PM (TdMsT)

I think somebody mentioned you should get Sennheiser (the best for the cost), I'd asked if you meant ear buds or head phones when you said "earphone".

Do NOT let yourself think though that these are suitable for shooting! They don't work like that! You need something that will stop the impact/shock created, and noise cancelling headphones work in an entirely different manner for an entirely different purpose.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 17, 2021 08:54 PM (L8ADy)

409 Have a nice road bike (bicycle) hanging in the garage, keep that totally covered up as well. It's all about not being a target for burglars, to me. Nothing to do with anti-gun mania - though that is now added to the list, as I have lost confidence in society generally.
Posted by: rhomboid at January 17, 2021 08:46 PM (OTzUX)
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I am very careful to unload behind a closed garage door, too. I don't like to advertise, either.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 08:54 PM (WEBkv)

410 How does that square with the "only dropped once" joke?
Posted by: GWB at January 17, 2021 08:46 PM (lclUd)

Poor Eyeties......but I have noticed that the Carcanos I have all have excellent bores and while old are in excellent shape. They don't seem to have been shot all that much.

Things that make you go mmmmmmm.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 17, 2021 08:54 PM (R/m4+)

411 whig, nice - Sestroyetsk. With my historical interest I focused on ex-dragoons - I wanted Soviet era, but also wanted the nice pre-1927 stampings from Izhevsk and Tula.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 17, 2021 08:54 PM (OTzUX)

412 Being a lefty, a typical bullpup ejects right in my
face, and it's also an issue with some AR's. Seems an interesting
concept, but - ready for prime time?
Posted by: Clutch Cargo

Clutch, the proper term is "southpaw" ("left-handed" is acceptable), but don't call yourself a "lefty" here.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 17, 2021 08:54 PM (KAi1n)

413 Do you think the hood gangs put in ear pro prior to drive bys ?

The bass from their sound systems is louder than gunfire.
They just fire between the beats.

Posted by: Observer at January 17, 2021 08:54 PM (MC/ne)

414 Screaming in Digital you are doing the wise thing. The more familiar and confident you get you will feel secure in whatever you decide.

Posted by: Jen the original at January 17, 2021 08:55 PM (/m1b3)

415 22 Hello Weasel and fellow pew pew fanatics!! No range report today, but seeing I have off Monday and Tuesday I am looking to head to an indoor range and brush the cobwebs off the Sig.
Weasel, in regards to the "Gray Man" strategy, I think that is something like myself can use here in the Peoples Republic of New York City. The NRA is smart packing its bags up and getting the hell out of this State. I myself am looking at being here another 6 years before I pack up and head to Texas.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 17, 2021 07:09 PM (mcfjc)

I'm actually surprised that it took the NRA this long to unincorporate from NY. They've been hostile to the 2nd Amendment from way back.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 17, 2021 08:56 PM (4tiP2)

416 Easy. By declaring that only _their_ police will have guns. They probably (being dumb American progressives, instead of the Euro kind with longer histories) won't come up with any cool names for them, though, like "Stasi".
Posted by: GWB

When only the Police have guns, it's called a Police State.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative ....Living on the prison planet at January 17, 2021 08:56 PM (ZCiJZ)

417 I want his hat. I've got a thing for hats.
Posted by: GWB at January 17, 2021 08:49 PM (lclUd)

Stetsons or Fedoras?

Posted by: ALH at January 17, 2021 08:56 PM (WSGpY)

418 236 I hope you all will keep the name Xavier Becerra very high on your awareness list. He is going to be joebama's Health and Human Resources Sec. He is a rabid gun-grabber and he is going to tie your health care to gun ownership.
Posted by: Ben Had at January 17, 2021 08:14 PM (OAKrm)

This is very bad news, as Americans will very cheerfully surrender every economic and political freedom they have just so they don't have to pay for a doctor. (Americans will pay hand over fist for anything else, but when it comes to a doctor, they will SCREAM and SCREAM and SCREAM as if though it is the greatest indignity in the world.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 17, 2021 08:56 PM (M7K2y)

419 By the way, interesting note about CA: As anti gun as this state is, we also have an awful lot of very nice gun ranges.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 08:57 PM (WEBkv)

420 Screaming in digital: do not, under any circumstance, miss the next Texas Mome! There are no words for that event.

Posted by: Ladyl at January 17, 2021 08:57 PM (TdMsT)

421 Posted by: JROD at January 17, 2021 08:54 PM (0jZnq)

Did the old timer know what he was selling? If not, kudos on the owner for being fair.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 17, 2021 08:58 PM (2DOZq)

422 So when Heidis new Glock 43x has the slide locked back it take a super human effort to release it. The release tab is so flat and I Can't pull the side back enough to release it. It's so fucking hard. I have a few Glocks and none are like that. WTF you guys?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at January 17, 2021 08:58 PM (Dz5W3)

423 -Smith and Wesson. Hope it doesn't jam when/if I need it.

Posted by: JAS, AoSHQ addict at January 17, 2021 08:48 PM (2BZBZ)

Any modern SW automatic will be good to great in reliability.
Never had a jam with my MP Compact, though I probably only have 1
or 2 thousands rounds through it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards--
Have a 9mm Shield, a few hundred through it, thus far 100%.

Posted by: irright at January 17, 2021 08:58 PM (BB7pQ)

424 392 Jen,
Kathy used to be on some online gun forums but left those to my understanding because some jerks that would comment on her posts. Her book is still in print and excellent. Used it to help my mother learn to shoot.

Massad Ayoob has a regular blog post on the Backwoods Home Magazine website and is also excellent trainer for women and has good comments on it. One of his daughters used that training to keep herself from harm. He does address female particular issues in the Gun Digest Book of Combat Handgunnery including holsters.

Chris Bird has an excellent beginners book for both sexes as does Tom and Lynn Givens. The Given's website for their training, videos, and books is Rangemaster dot com. They also travel and train through the US including female specific training.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 08:58 PM (pO7gM)

425 He looked for an upside down looking "P" near a sight, authenticated it. It was a Singer. $12,500 later and a "For Display Only" it was the shops.
Posted by: JROD at January 17, 2021 08:54 PM (0jZnq)

Yeah, reminds me of my sad story. Except in my case, my guns and my dad's guns (all WWII vintage and up to the 50's) were at my parent's second home. My mom moved in. My cousin's hubby laid a sob story on her he drives a truck and needs protection. And the wife needs protection while he's gone. And the dog...

So - he talked an old lady with dementia out of $50k+ worth of guns. I don't even want to talk about the 1911. Or the Berettas. Or the CZ's. Or the Walthers, Mannlicher...

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 17, 2021 08:58 PM (L8ADy)

426 Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 17, 2021 08:56 PM (4tiP2)
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Howdy!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 08:59 PM (MVjcR)

427 I have an OT question - how do you link your email address on the URL: line when making a comment?

Posted by: ALH at January 17, 2021 09:00 PM (WSGpY)

428 By the way, interesting note about CA: As anti gun as this state is, we also have an awful lot of very nice gun ranges.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 08:57 PM (WEBkv)

They were here before the FREAKS moved in and infested the state. I was happy to see my old range Los Altos Rod & Gun is still there (beautiful, up in the hills), but it's $500 a year now, and a club, not just a range. Still, seems worth it, and to get the connections.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 17, 2021 09:00 PM (L8ADy)

429 If you ever get to take a ccw course with Massad Ayoob, he will come to court with you in any self defense situation as your expert.

Posted by: Inogame - Trump won at January 17, 2021 09:00 PM (+2xjH)

430 Dang, JROD. Great story. A Singer. Have never seen one.

Years back on The High Road (great gun forum recommended for Morons), some guy asked questions about a Nagant revolver he had. He posted photos.

Presentation gun from the then-senior defense official Kliment Voroshilov, who was a senior Soviet commander and minister before/during WWII (KV-1 tank is named for him). Amazing. There were probably quite a few done back at the time, but pretty rare now. Engraved with Voroshilov's name.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 17, 2021 09:00 PM (OTzUX)

431 By the way, interesting note about CA: As anti gun as this state is, we also have an awful lot of very nice gun ranges.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 08:57 PM (WEBkv)

Some of the top competitions also.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 17, 2021 09:01 PM (2DOZq)

432 I have an OT question - how do you link your email address on the URL: line when making a comment?
Posted by: ALH at January 17, 2021 09:00 PM (WSGpY)
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mailto:email@address.com

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:01 PM (MVjcR)

433 I got my very first gun for Christmas this year, a hammerless Ruger. I didn't have the strength to pull back the trigger on anything else using one hand.
I tried a Glock a couple of times, but each time, the slide bit me.
Posted by: ALH

A very nice small piece is the Smith and Wesson E-Z, chambered in 9mm and 0.380. Two of my relatives bought them and liked them a lot, until S&W issued a recall for defective hammers.
I think S&W was going to x-ray the hammers to look for micro-cracks. Hope they get them back soon.
We saw them at the gunstore and thought of all those ladies out there with small hands. It was easy to pull back the slide and set it. Hence...E-Z.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative ....Living on the prison planet at January 17, 2021 09:01 PM (ZCiJZ)

434 Clutch, the proper term is "southpaw" ("left-handed" is acceptable), but don't call yourself a "lefty" here.
Posted by: SFGoth at January 17, 2021 08:54 PM (KAi1n)

Sorry, I usually say southpaw TBH. Funny though, after so many years of training I can only use right-handed folding knives. Anyway, I have a pair of scissors - my first pair of kiddy scissors - that says "LEFTY" on them. It did used to mean something a little different.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 17, 2021 09:02 PM (L8ADy)

435 214 Been pulled over twice since having a CCW. Notified the cop both times and was thanked for the information. Sure, they already knew but it made the encounter a bit less stressful. I don't like being the dutiful, compliant citizen any more than the rest but sometimes ya gotta bend a little.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 17, 2021 08:06 PM (W4eKo)

Understood, and I do the same. The police are a standing army whose guns are pointed at the citizenry. The cops have guns because they can, and will, kill you and as many people as it takes to impose the will of the government.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 17, 2021 09:02 PM (M7K2y)

436 the chatter above reminds me, I said I bought 1000 rounds 5.56, but now I remember it was 223, all they had at SG Ammo in higher volume. I read it fires fine in 5.56 NATO rifle. Lucky Gunner had a lengthy discussion on details ... only thing I am not clear on, is if I "suffer" a little loss of accuracy or power using 223 in 5.56 ... not enough to influence my non-competition shooting, I'd guess. ...

Posted by: illiniwek at January 17, 2021 09:02 PM (Cus5s)

437 Thank you, Weasel!

Posted by: ALH at January 17, 2021 09:02 PM (WSGpY)

438 411 Darn it rhomboid, about 2-3 years ago, my local pawnshop bought a crate of ex-dragoon Mosins with various very early 1919-1928 dates. He sold them for about 350-400 with the bayonet and other gear with them but I already had several 91/30's at the time and did not need another one.

They were pristine after cleaning masses of cosmolene from it. The Russian stuff seems to have its own distinct odor as does the cosmolene from India.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 09:03 PM (pO7gM)

439 Posted by: ALH at January 17, 2021 09:02 PM (WSGpY)
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Sure! Thanks for being here!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:03 PM (MVjcR)

440 RFB! I was an early adopter, and I do like it very much. It was perhaps not quite ready for prime time, at least out of the box. I wouldn't use it as a primary without a lot of testing. They've made improvements from the original design, most importantly the 'Gen 2' gas system.
Posted by: Lazy Messenger at January 17, 2021 08:50 PM (KP12d)

I believe that's what this one has. I need to research a bit more, but glad to hear at least one positive. I had no idea such a thing existed!

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at January 17, 2021 09:03 PM (L8ADy)

441 I guess this is my weekend to be gobsmacked. Argument with bff of over 25 yrs yesterday about censorship. Was just watching Levin. (havent since election) In his closing, he said the only network not run by libs was fux news. I'm in backwards world. Canceling tv tomorrow.

Posted by: Infidel at January 17, 2021 09:03 PM (twGU3)

442 The photo of Trump is gut wrenching to me. I remember the first NRA convention he was flying into to speak as a candidate not long after he declared. Don Jr. and his then wife Vanessa were walking around the booths with no security. We happened to walk up to the Nighthawk booth as Don Jr was there looking at their 1911s and I found myself standing shoulder to shoulder with Vanessa. We walked later into the Kimber booth and they walked in behind us. The sales gal at Kimber said Don Jr and Vanessa had flown in commercial on the same plane as Kimber sales people had and were just like everyone on the plane

Posted by: Jen the original at January 17, 2021 09:03 PM (/m1b3)

443 Trying to avert my eyes/mind from it all, but besides Becerra, the thing that is becoming VP was directly involved in some the most ludicrous (yet still blessed by ridiculous "courts") anti-gun nonsense in CA when it was AG.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 17, 2021 09:04 PM (OTzUX)

444 > To continue post 316: as a bonus, when stopped, I tell the cop where the gun is. Doesn't hurt.

I say: don't volunteer information. But if asked directly, answer truthfully.

Posted by: DB- just DB at January 17, 2021 09:04 PM (iTXRQ)

445 Weasel, as always, chock full of information. Thank you.
I have the Mantis system and I like it a lot.
This week was kind of a big week for me gun wise as I got my Sheriff issued concealed carry license.*

*Idaho, where I live, is a very gun friendly state. You can buy a gun from an individual with no information transferred between anyone-literally out of the back of someones truck. But if you want to buy a gun in a store, they do an FBI background check. Normal people have no problem with this. But I kept getting denied. I went through an approx 90 day process of getting fingerprinted, submitting to the Sheriff some info, finally got approved and photographed for the license.

Posted by: MikeM at January 17, 2021 09:04 PM (dMoB0)

446 422 So when Heidis new Glock 43x has the slide locked back it take a super human effort to release it. The release tab is so flat and I Can't pull the side back enough to release it. It's so fucking hard. I have a few Glocks and none are like that. WTF you guys?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at January 17, 2021 08:58 PM (Dz5W3)

Ooof.

Well the good (?) news is a Vickers extended slide release is cheap and easy to install.

I have always been able to use the slide release on my Glocks but everyone's hand is a little different.

For working the slide, Grip the side with your weak side hand, and PUSH the pistol forward rather than trying to pull the slide back. See if that works.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at January 17, 2021 09:05 PM (uxJPn)

447 I have an OT question - how do you link your email address on the URL: line when making a comment?

In the URL box, put

mailto:your_adress

with no spaces around the colon. Use your full, regular adress including the server (e.g. @gmail.com).

Posted by: Oddbob (nee Bob the Bilderberg) at January 17, 2021 09:05 PM (qc+VF)

448 416 Easy. By declaring that only _their_ police will have guns. They probably (being dumb American progressives, instead of the Euro kind with longer histories) won't come up with any cool names for them, though, like "Stasi".
Posted by: GWB

When only the Police have guns, it's called a Police State.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative ....Living on the prison planet at January 17, 2021 08:56 PM (ZCiJZ)

I like names like Vopo (Volkspolizei).

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 17, 2021 09:05 PM (M7K2y)

449 Some of the top competitions also.
Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 17, 2021 09:01 PM (2DOZq)
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however, there's one in AZ I really need to get over and shoot. The Pima 2 Gun Action Challenge. Rifle Pistol.

Looks to be very difficult and a lot of fun.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 09:05 PM (WEBkv)

450 Second cool part to the 1911 story is gun reviewer and writer in American Rifleman (and other gun mags) Wiley Clapp who would frequent the shop was told of the find. Next big gun show in Reno he showed up with Massad Ayoob and Jeff Cooper to take a look at it and check out a piece of history. Total fanboy moment for me. Wiley Clapp lives in Minden/Gardnerville area south of Reno.
To some here the names are already familiar, but if you are not familiar definitely look them up. Wealth of information be it guns or self-defense and a cool part of gun related history.

Posted by: JROD at January 17, 2021 09:05 PM (0jZnq)

451 Posted by: Jen the original at January 17, 2021 09:03 PM (/m1b3)
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Yep. Me too.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:06 PM (MVjcR)

452 Posted by: MikeM at January 17, 2021 09:04 PM (dMoB0)
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You're very welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:07 PM (MVjcR)

453 Great gub thread, Weasel. The comments have been most educational.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 17, 2021 09:07 PM (1uBGK)

454 OT but guns, boobs and cars are somehow related. I'm watching Mecum Auto auction in Kissimmee. There are some rich rednecks out there. The prices are huge. A 1970 Chevelle convertible sold for 350k.

Okay back on topic.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 17, 2021 09:07 PM (2DOZq)

455 Cool story JROD. When gear and gun manufacturers make a special edition with your name on it, you have arrived in the gunworld. Think all three gentlemen you mention have had either guns and/or gear named for them.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 09:07 PM (pO7gM)

456 JROD, related, kinda (apologies as this is one I've told before), but first time I visited the Scheels in Sparks, the young clerk in the gun section who came up to see if I needed help had the last name "Earp" on his badge.

Yep. Directly related. How perfect was that?

Posted by: rhomboid at January 17, 2021 09:08 PM (OTzUX)

457 Blaster,
Check out C and R Firearms on Balls Ford Road. They did a fine job for me and I'll bet they can do ARs as well.
Posted by: JTB at January 17, 2021 08:34 PM (7EjX1)

Tango much

Posted by: blaster at January 17, 2021 09:08 PM (hSbxH)

458 I'm thinking about getting a UPS mailbox to take ammo deliveries...

what say the Horde?
Posted by: DB- just DB at January 17, 2021 07:54 PM (iTXRQ)

I say YES, Yes, and yes! They are a great way to at least obscure your address for all sorts of packages, and you have the security of knowing that your packages are received and locked away by a human being until you go pick them up.

We got a UPS box 20 years ago when we first moved to here because we didn't have a house or anything, yet, and needed somewhere to get our mail. We've kept it because of the anonymity and the security.

Posted by: GWB at January 17, 2021 09:08 PM (lclUd)

459 "422 So when Heidis new Glock 43x has the slide locked back it take a super human effort to release it. The release tab is so flat and I Can't pull the side back enough to release it. It's so fucking hard. I have a few Glocks and none are like that. WTF you guys?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at January 17, 2021 08:58 PM (Dz5W3) "

Trade in the Tupperware for an HK VP9 sk. Problem solved.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 17, 2021 09:08 PM (zruA2)

460 For working the slide, Grip the side with your weak side hand, and PUSH the pistol forward rather than trying to pull the slide back. See if that works.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at January 17, 2021 09:05 PM (uxJPn)

thanks Mark. Thats my technique with my other Glocks. This one is abnormal imho.I saw the Vickers, but Heidis gun. No changes until she gives the go ahead.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at January 17, 2021 09:09 PM (Dz5W3)

461 Aware of one, possibly two, CA gun businesses that moved to/were planning to move to Minden, NV. Connecticut River was America's original "gun valley".

Looks like some others may be taking shape.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 17, 2021 09:09 PM (OTzUX)

462 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 17, 2021 09:07 PM (1uBGK)
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Thank you and welcome! We have a great group here.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:09 PM (MVjcR)

463 Hey gun thread! Hey Weasel!

Let's be honest... while everyone here I'm sure is good with guns, some other people are not. Doesn't mean the gubmint should ban 'em, just means not everyone can handle them well and/or responsibly.

Thinking of Phil Spector, who died today.

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 17, 2021 09:09 PM (L2ZTs)

464 @Cannibal Bob, I'd check with factory and see what they say. If it's not supposed to be like that, send it in and have it fixed.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 09:10 PM (WEBkv)

465 456 Rhomboid, don't tell me you got a Ned Buntline revolver from that sales guy. Then, it would be double perfect. Cool story.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 09:10 PM (pO7gM)

466 Posted by: JROD at January 17, 2021 09:05 PM (0jZnq)
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Very cool story. Thanks for sharing it!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:10 PM (MVjcR)

467 Later, all. Muchas Gracias for the info. I always enjoy the gub thread. Again, Weasel, ThanX!

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at January 17, 2021 09:10 PM (Iw46i)

468 Posted by: qdpsteve at January 17, 2021 09:09 PM (L2ZTs)
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Howdy!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:11 PM (MVjcR)

469 Trade in the Tupperware for an HK VP9 sk. Problem solved.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 17, 2021 09:08 PM (zruA2)

I don't buy guns for Heidi, she buys them and we both love Glocks but thanks.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at January 17, 2021 09:11 PM (Dz5W3)

470 @qdp, a right does not come with qualifications.

And I say that after seeing some real doofuses with a gun, me being one of them.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 09:11 PM (WEBkv)

471 dpdsteve,
Spector should have been in a facility far earlier than he was finally caught. He threatened at least five people in various musical acts with a gun that he was involved with.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 09:11 PM (pO7gM)

472 Posted by: McGyver at January 17, 2021 09:10 PM (Iw46i)
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Adios, amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:12 PM (MVjcR)

473 Continued. Meanwhile Trump flew in on the Trump 747 right in front of us while we were in line to clear security. The next year Don Jr. was in front of us at the Cabot booth this time with SS. He is friends with the Cabot owners. I have seen Trump at the last three NRA convention where he was the main speaker. In 2019 he signed the EO getting us out of the U N gun treaty on stage in Indianapolis. 2020 the convention was cancelled due to Covid. Someone up thread hoped a special gun was made for him. Cabot made a Trump 45 in gold plate for him. They could not give it to him because it would have been to the presidential office but it has been purchased so he will end up with it somehow. Go to Cabot.com and look for it on the 1911 page.

Posted by: Jen the original at January 17, 2021 09:12 PM (/m1b3)

474 My Dad, a career soldier, was 1st in Expert Class,
.45 Slow Fire, in a 2nd Army Small Arms Tournament in the 50s. I could
probably hit one of the walls of the room I am sitting in. I was an
"Expert" with the .45 in the Army. I could hit a man sized silhouette
from 10 meters (special qualification for officers). Dad laughed when he
saw my medal. God what a man he was. I'm going to tell his story one
day. Not here but somewhere.

Posted by: Javems at January 17, 2021 08:21 PM (8SSHh)

well if not here, let us no where. A lot of us are luddites an this is the only site we post on.

btw, most infantrymen these days never fire a sidearm. As a war weapon they are overrated by the populace. But for the Army, they are under rated because their troops should know how to fire them well.

Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2021 09:12 PM (dVcaa)

475 DB - if you're still here - and anyone else: heed the advice from the Morons. Either have a PO box for delivery, or have the courier service hold the ammo/whatever at their local facility and pick it up. That is, if you have any concerns about gun-stuff being delivered to your home.

Back when I was buying milsurps, I was at home a lot, and so was almost always home when UPS ("the brown truck of happiness") came by with my Mosin, or Garand, being delivered. The old driver who since retired, he got curious after about the third rifle delivery so I had him come in the garage when I opened the box.

He started buying Mosins after that, and we'd chit chat about milsurp rifles when he delivered something.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 17, 2021 09:12 PM (OTzUX)

476 464 @Cannibal Bob, I'd check with factory and see what they say. If it's not supposed to be like that, send it in and have it fixed.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 09:10 PM (WEBkv)

Yeah, may do that.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at January 17, 2021 09:12 PM (Dz5W3)

477 Bozo, what article are you referencing, please? I'm wondering how to keep my equipment safe.

Posted by: President-elect Emmie at January 17, 2021 09:12 PM (ofYez)

478 Great gub thread, Weasel. The comments have been most educational.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy

I think we are neighbors, and I mean physically near by.

I think I saw you comment that you weren't too far from Bullet Ranch on East Broad St. We live in the hinterlands to the east. I pass that every day to and from work.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative ....Living on the prison planet at January 17, 2021 09:13 PM (ZCiJZ)

479 blake, no argument from me whatsoever. :-)
Just pointing out, Spector is one of these people who ruined his life with his gun.

whig, I agree. He also supposedly just outright threatened to kill quite a few people, including Ike Turner (!).

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 17, 2021 09:13 PM (L2ZTs)

480 Thanks for the cool story Jen. I do know he was speaking at one of the NRA conventions that I attended and I saw him leave in his limo while trying to get out of downtown.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 09:13 PM (pO7gM)

481 "...The LEOs, if they ran your plate know anyway but, according to state statute, you MUST let them know."

That wasn't the question. The question was about whether you have weapons in the vehicle, even if properly stored.

Posted by: navybrat, arms akimbo at January 17, 2021 09:14 PM (w7KSn)

482 @421 Mr. Meseeks-He didn't have a clue. The son and the entire family that own the shop are stand up people.
We actually tried to talk him into keeping it in case he had anyone in his family that would be interested as far as an heirloom. Once we had told him what he had he was even more determined get rid of it so that it would end up in the hands of someone who appreciated it. In fact he asked us if we were sure we wanted to pay that much for it. Guy was shocked when Todd(the owners son) quoted what he'd pay for it.
He was actually really happy just how we were acting/reacting to the find. That alone really pleased him let alone leaving the shop with $12,500 more than he showed up with. : )

Posted by: JROD at January 17, 2021 09:14 PM (0jZnq)

483 Bozo, what article are you referencing, please? I'm wondering how to keep my equipment safe.
Posted by: President-elect Emmie

Up top of this article by Weasel. He was talking about the sleaves you can buy to put your rifles, etc in for long term storage.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative ....Living on the prison planet at January 17, 2021 09:15 PM (ZCiJZ)

484 One thing that hit me hard the other day, also:

Police no longer GAF about preventing or stopping crime, whatsoever. It's been proven, thanks to screaming SJWs and the media, to be way more trouble than it's worth.

Police instead are now there ONLY to scrape up whatever is left of you from the pavement, well after you and your loved ones have already been grossly violated and/or killed.

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 17, 2021 09:15 PM (L2ZTs)

485 Posted by: kbdabear at January 17, 2021 07:28 PM (qAR6u)

Regarding that last gif, isn't shooting over water so the bullets skip one of the most dangerous things you can do?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 17, 2021 09:15 PM (mzC78)

486 479, qpd steve,
Ike, from all accounts, was from the same batch of dynamite just waiting to explode.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 09:15 PM (pO7gM)

487 e Trump 747 right in front of us while we were in line to clear security. The next year Don Jr. was in front of us at the Cabot booth this time with SS. He is friends with the Cabot owners. I have seen Trump at the last three NRA convention where he was the main speaker. In 2019 he signed the EO getting us out of the U N gun treaty on stage in Indianapolis. 2020 the convention was cancelled due to Covid. Someone up thread hoped a special gun was made for him. Cabot made a Trump 45 in gold plate for him. They could not give it to him because it would have been to the presidential office but it has been purchased so he will end up with it somehow. Go to Cabot.com and look for it on the 1911 page.
Posted by: J

757

interesting thing is he bought it used from a mex fiem and refurbed it.

Posted by: confederatefifth at January 17, 2021 09:16 PM (4Jold)

488 OK all, later Thanks Weasel.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at January 17, 2021 09:16 PM (Dz5W3)

489 Up top of this article by Weasel. He was talking about the sleaves you can buy to put your rifles, etc in for long term storage.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative ....Living on the prison planet at January 17, 2021 09:15 PM (ZCiJZ)
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Don't forget hi-cap magazines, too.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:16 PM (MVjcR)

490 Posted by: Cannibal Bob at January 17, 2021 09:16 PM (Dz5W3)
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Later bro.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:17 PM (MVjcR)

491 Police instead are now there ONLY to scrape up whatever is left of you from the pavement, well after you and your loved ones have already been grossly violated and/or killed.
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 17, 2021 09:15 PM (L2ZTs)
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We live in CA. The only criminals in CA are God fearing gun owners.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 09:17 PM (WEBkv)

492 whig, also no argument. :-)

The legend is that Ike used to show up so often at the studio after recording to argue with Spector about various issues, Phil finally just said to him "if I see you here ever again, I will kill you."

I've read that PS was one of the very few people Ike was actually afraid of.

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 17, 2021 09:17 PM (L2ZTs)

493 Trade in the Tupperware for an HK VP9 sk. Problem solved.

Posted by: Marcus T at J

the thing is is, they kind of hate their retail customers.

Posted by: confederatefifth at January 17, 2021 09:17 PM (4Jold)

494 @456 rhomboid-Lot cooler than buying a gun or ammo from some asshole named JROD in Reno, thats for sure.
Hopefully on the receipt it said the salesperson; Earp.

Posted by: JROD at January 17, 2021 09:18 PM (0jZnq)

495 Mr. Meeseeks, I'm a yuge fan of Mecum Auctions! They're the reason I kept my cable tv for so long, but I finally decided I could live with watching videos and livestreams online. Yesterday, I happened to catch the sale of a Rolls and a Ferrari previously owned by PDJT. I was heartened to hear cheers from the crowd for him.

Posted by: screaming in digital at January 17, 2021 09:18 PM (k42hV)

496 The legend is that Ike used to show up so often at the studio after recording to argue with Spector about various issues, Phil finally just said to him "if I see you here ever again, I will kill you."

I've read that PS was one of the very few people Ike was actually afraid of.
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 17, 2021 09:17 PM (L2ZTs)
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he sounds nice.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:18 PM (MVjcR)

497 Regarding that last gif, isn't shooting over water so the bullets skip one of the most dangerous things you can do?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 17, 2021 09:15 PM (mzC7

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I read an article years ago, well, decades ago, about a guy who killed someone that way. Bullet skipped off the water, caught some gal driving down a freeway behind the ear and killed her.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 09:18 PM (WEBkv)

498 Weasel, yup. Also see the story of what happened when Leonard Cohen invited Spector to produce an album of his.

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 17, 2021 09:19 PM (L2ZTs)

499 I've read that PS was one of the very few people Ike was actually afraid of.
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 17, 2021 09:17 PM (L2ZTs)
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Considering Ike had a coke habit bad enough to disintegrate his septum, that's saying something.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 09:20 PM (WEBkv)

500 John Lennon did a session w Spector, during which Spector discharged a 1911 at the ceiling in close proximity to Lennon.
Lennon said "Phil, just kill me if you need to but don't shoot that damn thing near my ears, I need them!"

Posted by: navybrat, arms akimbo at January 17, 2021 09:20 PM (w7KSn)

501 Glocks are a good gun. It's just that the HK's are probably the best "out of the box" shooters. I've been issued some 19's that shot very well. But they were also worked over and not your average Glock. YMMV

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy, staring from 457 meters at January 17, 2021 09:20 PM (AIYX6)

502 Earlier upstream for latecomers, Weasel has some good information discussing anti-corrosive storage bags which are designed for long term storage. There is also RIG gun grease that is pretty reasonable and smeared over all the metal and you run a patch with in the action and bore to complete the protection.

RIG is a more modern version of cosmolene which is a waxy grease substance used by militaries for decades as a preservative--the military usually applied it by dunking the rifle in a near boiling vat of the stuff.

Additional options include Safari's CLP Collector (has anticorrosive material added with the original formula), Boeshield, good water moisture metal protector developed by Boeing. And there is anti-corrosive paper plus zerust capsules. The last need to be used in closed containers.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 09:20 PM (pO7gM)

503 484 One thing that hit me hard the other day, also:

Police no longer GAF about preventing or stopping crime, whatsoever. It's been proven, thanks to screaming SJWs and the media, to be way more trouble than it's worth.

Police instead are now there ONLY to scrape up whatever is left of you from the pavement, well after you and your loved ones have already been grossly violated and/or killed.
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 17, 2021 09:15 PM (L2ZTs)

The truth is that the police have NEVER been about preventing or stopping crime. They can't. In fact, the entire body of criminal law has as its basis that bad people WILL do bad things and that the remedy needs to be in place to deal with it accordingly.

I'm far from being an advocate for the cops. They coughed that up a long time ago. You will never see me running around saying "I back the blue!" because as far as I am concerned, the cops and criminals largely deserve each other. But the one thing I will say in defense of the cops is that their greatest concern is in the investigation of crime. At this, they do a bang-up job - when they don't, greed and ambition are usually to blame.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 17, 2021 09:21 PM (M7K2y)

504 Police instead are now there ONLY to scrape up
whatever is left of you from the pavement, well after you and your loved
ones have already been grossly violated and/or killed.

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 17, 2021 09:15 PM (L2ZTs)

---and that's only if they actually show up, and don't just tell you to file a complaint on line or at the station.

Posted by: redc1c4 (Biden Cheated!) at January 17, 2021 09:21 PM (8TU7E)

505 qdpsteve @ 463- When I think of Phil Spector I think mostly of Ronnie.

Posted by: Eromero at January 17, 2021 09:21 PM (em79L)

506 Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 09:20 PM (pO7gM)
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Thanks whig!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:21 PM (MVjcR)

507 navybrat, yup.
Lennon should have REALLY let Spector have it and started singing "Imagine" to him. :-)

Catch33, all good points, thanks.

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 17, 2021 09:22 PM (L2ZTs)

508 Eromero, Ronnie is/was a great talent, as well as horribly abused by Spector. The man was literally bugfuck crazy.

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 17, 2021 09:22 PM (L2ZTs)

509 Up top of this article by Weasel. He was talking about the sleaves you can buy to put your rifles, etc in for long term storage.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative ....Living on the prison planet at January 17, 2021 09:15 PM (ZCiJZ)

Oh, the storage bag things. I was thinking suggested locations.

Posted by: President-elect Emmie at January 17, 2021 09:23 PM (ofYez)

510 Bozo, thanks!

Posted by: President-elect Emmie at January 17, 2021 09:24 PM (ofYez)

511 another thing about a regular PO Box: not everyone/thing can/will ship to one. with the UPS Store or equivalent, it appears to be an apartment, and there is no problem.

Posted by: redc1c4 (Biden Cheated!) at January 17, 2021 09:24 PM (8TU7E)

512
OK. 9:30 Thank You time.

Thanks you all for being here each week, and it's very nice to see the new names too! I sure do appreciate your support. This is going to be a shitty week, but make the best of it that you can. Hope to see you all next Sunday!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:24 PM (MVjcR)

513 Later weasel! Thanks again!

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 09:24 PM (WEBkv)

514 Cabotguns.com

Posted by: Jen the original at January 17, 2021 09:25 PM (/m1b3)

515 How many people did Phil Spector kill in his career?

The man was insane.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 17, 2021 09:25 PM (R/m4+)

516 Continuing #503 - this is why we as a society need to give cops less and less and less to do, and realize that when it comes to personal safety, we are on our own. (Living in the country taught me that fast - the cops here are one step short of being completely fictitious. Calling 911 MAY get a cop here in 30-40 minutes.) If we were a heavily armed society where the criminal element knew they can play games at their very personal risk, and we elected governments that quit using cops to shake down people for money they can't raise on their own (yeah, I'm looking at you, Canyon - I see your cops setting up shop to pull over drivers every time I pass through...all because you can't manage money)...maybe we can have a much smaller, much more professional police force.
Oh, and by the way - police unions MUST be banned.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 17, 2021 09:25 PM (M7K2y)

517 Hairyback, Spector managed to only kill one person: Lana Clarkson. But the list of people he threatened is ridonkulously long.

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 17, 2021 09:25 PM (L2ZTs)

518 506 Weasel, I have tried all of these methods above and they all work properly applied. A lot of my old warhorses do not see much action because of ammo costs and range limits where I live. So, I keep them stored for the next generation.

The saddest thing though that I heard was when I was in England and went to a war museum. Several of their territorials were there to talk about the firearms when you went through. I had an interesting conversation with them about Enfields and they had to admit that they had never gotten to shoot one due to restrictions and cost while I get to shoot mine, for now, fairly regularly.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 09:26 PM (pO7gM)

519 Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 09:24 PM (WEBkv)
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Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:26 PM (MVjcR)

520 How many people did Phil Spector kill in his career?

The man was insane.
Posted by: H

the thing is is you do not differentiate between those deserving it, needing it, and innocents.

Posted by: confederatefifth at January 17, 2021 09:26 PM (4Jold)

521 520 From what I understand about Phil S. is that he was a violent nutcase even when he was putting out hit records.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 09:27 PM (pO7gM)

522 Spector managed to only kill one person: Lana Clarkson. But the list of people he threatened is ridonkulously long.
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 17, 2021 09:25 PM (L2ZTs)

Thanks! Now I gotta go do some reading up on him.

Insane in the brain.....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 17, 2021 09:27 PM (R/m4+)

523 Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 09:26 PM (pO7gM)
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Yep. You should hear some of the nightmare reloading rules some of my international buddies have.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:28 PM (MVjcR)

524 Oh, if anyone has noticed, ammo prices have gone up at least 33% in the last week or so.

PMC Bronze, 45 acp, 230 grain loads, ~$1,100.

I was getting this ammo, after shipping, for 40 cents a round just a few months ago.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 09:29 PM (WEBkv)

525 whig, Phil was definitely already quite nasty.

He was horribly bullied in high school-- at one point, even urinated on by bullies in the gym showers at Fairfax High School.

Then his career as a record producer in the late 1950s took off, and something in his brain just came undone.

Posted by: qdpsteve at January 17, 2021 09:29 PM (L2ZTs)

526 Thanks Weasel

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at January 17, 2021 09:30 PM (uxJPn)

527 as far as I am concerned, the cops and criminals largely deserve each other

In a way, cops are for the criminals' personal safety since the average person has no duty to apprehend and constrain a criminal until that person's court date.

That is, without police, every crime is a capital crime. The police save the criminal from the victim's idea of justice.

Posted by: Observer at January 17, 2021 09:30 PM (sVuFb)

528

Seems as though there is not one single commenter, cob or sorta cob around here that hasn't given up on my president.
Exceptin' me.
Do you really think the number of troops that have been moved into DC are there for a virtual inauguration?

No, don't bother with the slams. Won't be here for em. Have studies to continue.
Weasel, Ben and others... God bless

Posted by: TeeJ at January 17, 2021 09:30 PM (D1bJZ)

529 Evening.

"I have been an NRA Life Member for years"

"NRA Life Member"

"For years"

As opposed to alternating weekends?

Posted by: Robert at January 17, 2021 09:30 PM (1Yy3c)

530 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Logan Tiberius Edwards (2012-2021) at January 17, 2021 09:30 PM (uxJPn
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Happy to do it, MAE! Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:30 PM (MVjcR)

531 Trade in the Tupperware for an HK VP9 sk. Problem solved.

Posted by: Marcus T at J
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My dear American friend, I endorse your selection. You are clearly a man of discerning taste.

Posted by: Anon French lurker, Henri at January 17, 2021 09:31 PM (/RGxX)

532 Time to say thanks to Weasel again for the gun thread and the bright spot in my week. Glad to put politics aside for even a few lovely hours.

Regarding telling the police. Some states require it so if traveling you need to inform them as a matter of law, some states have the information that you have a ccw with the driver's license so be even careful. If you do not have a permit or do not have reciprocity with your state and the state that you are traveling through, be sure to follow all the the Firearm Owner's Protection Act --locked in case, ammo and firearm carried separately, etc.

Oh, and stay out of DC and NJ and NYC for sure traveling with firearms and ammo. People have gotten into trouble there regarding allowable ammunition and even an empty shell casing in one case.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 09:31 PM (pO7gM)

533 As opposed to alternating weekends?
Posted by: Robert at January 17, 2021 09:30 PM (1Yy3c)
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correct!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:31 PM (MVjcR)

534 Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 09:31 PM (pO7gM)
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Thank you very much, whig!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:32 PM (MVjcR)

535 correct!
Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:31 PM (MVjcR)

High five

Posted by: Robert at January 17, 2021 09:33 PM (1Yy3c)

536 Good tread as usual, Weasel. Later gators.

Posted by: Eromero at January 17, 2021 09:33 PM (em79L)

537 Sigs are good guns. It's hard to go wrong with the major manufacturers.

I have a pack of photos I need to submit to the Gun Thread email address. I really have no excuse. Fun stuff.

I picked up a nifty bit of tech a couple months ago. The Spot Shot camera from Shooting Made Easy. It's essentially a web camera that mounts to your spotting scope and broadcasts video to your smartphone/tablet. I had the precursor to it and the new model is much improved. Miles better than the "universal" smart phone mounts that will attach your phone to the spotting scope. (In my experience, the lens of the camera on the phone is so far off the center of mass that gravity will make it rotate if you're taking video in landscape, like God intended.)

Anyhoo. The spotting scope camera is all of $70 and it will let you take video on your smartphone. Very useful if you're at the range by yourself and you don't have a spotter.

Posted by: Semper Why at January 17, 2021 09:34 PM (n2HiV)

538 Posted by: Eromero at January 17, 2021 09:33 PM (em79L)
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Goodnight, brother.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:34 PM (MVjcR)

539 Running in the content but not to forget thanks for the great and inimitable Gun Thread.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 17, 2021 09:34 PM (uN66u)

540 I've probably missed some replies to me (the kittehs are a bit fussy, and I'm too slow to keep up with The Horde) but I've bookmarked this thread to reread, and watch the video lin-duh shared.

Thanks to Jen and whig for recommendations and thoughtful comments-- I'm putting those books on my list!

And I WILL come to a MoMe this year... I'll be the one wearing a cardigan and staring at my sensible shoes.

I might be the most unlikely person to be featured on the Gun Thread of a Smart Military Blog, but thanks to Weasel and everyone for making me feel at home. I've been hanging out at the HQ for several years but I'm starting to feel like a real ette.

Posted by: screaming in digital at January 17, 2021 09:34 PM (k42hV)

541 523, Weasel,
Ditto, I used to be a regular on forums of a certain type and heard some sad tales from people in other countries regarding local laws of all things firearm.
Hope that is not coming here.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 09:35 PM (pO7gM)

542 Posted by: Braenyard at January 17, 2021 09:34 PM (uN66u)
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I'm glad you like it! Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:36 PM (MVjcR)

543 very cool story Jrod. I was fixin to get pissed as the East Texans say, but I knew you would not disappoint.

Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2021 09:36 PM (dVcaa)

544 "Sure, they already knew"

I got pulled over a while back - BEFORE I got my CCW - and the cop asked if I was armed (because I put my hands on the steering wheel and kept them there). When he came back after running my license and my plate he informed me that I did have a CCW and he appreciated my cooperation. He then asked me not to cut people off and let me go on my way. It was weird and ended any remaining faith I had in the DMV or any other computer system with our gov't.

Posted by: GWB at January 17, 2021 09:36 PM (lclUd)

545 I might be the most unlikely person to be featured on the Gun Thread of a Smart Military Blog, but thanks to Weasel and everyone for making me feel at home. I've been hanging out at the HQ for several years but I'm starting to feel like a real ette.
Posted by: screaming in digital at January 17, 2021 09:34 PM (k42hV)
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Well, maybe, at some point, we'll get you extroverted to the point you look at the other person's shoes!

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 09:37 PM (WEBkv)

546 ThNks for a fun thread, weasel.

*hugs*

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 17, 2021 09:37 PM (U2p+3)

547 Do you really think the number of troops that have been moved into DC are there for a virtual inauguration?

TeeJ

Nah.

They're there for trump's swearing in!

Posted by: My Fever is 105 at January 17, 2021 09:37 PM (6ljcO)

548 Posted by: screaming in digital at January 17, 2021 09:34 PM (k42hV)
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I really hope you can make it!!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:38 PM (MVjcR)

549 Ditto, I used to be a regular on forums of a certain type and heard some sad tales from people in other countries regarding local laws of all things firearm.
Hope that is not coming here.
Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 09:35 PM (pO7gM)
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The Harris Government is going to try.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 09:38 PM (WEBkv)

550 the troll keeps thinking Biden will be monumental, like we should be concerned with the exact time. Hell his own president 12 years ago knew he was a light weight.

Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2021 09:39 PM (dVcaa)

551 Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 09:35 PM (pO7gM)
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yep.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:39 PM (MVjcR)

552 No, don't bother with the slams. Won't be here for em. Have studies to continue.
Weasel, Ben and others... God bless
Posted by: TeeJ at January 17, 2021 09:30 PM (D1bJZ)

TeeJ, I don't know if God has any further work for Trump to do as our president, but I'm open to justice prevailing this week. There must be some explanation for the weird NG deployment for a frail pervert being sworn in.

Posted by: President-elect Emmie at January 17, 2021 09:40 PM (ofYez)

553 Regarding telling the police. Some states require it so if traveling you need to inform them as a matter of law, some states have the information that you have a ccw with the driver's license so be even careful. If you do not have a permit or do not have reciprocity with your state and the state that you are traveling through, be sure to follow all the the Firearm Owner's Protection Act --locked in case, ammo and firearm carried separately, etc.

Oh, and stay out of DC and NJ and NYC for sure traveling with firearms and ammo. People have gotten into trouble there regarding allowable ammunition and even an empty shell casing in one case.
Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 09:31 PM (pO7gM)

In TX, it is considered a courtesy. But considering a pissed-off cop will happily destroy people's lives and has zero compunction about doing so, I tell them every time. (I even mention where the gun is in my truck. The name of the game is to get the asshole away from me.)

My concern is interoperability. I know that if a cop runs my DL they will see I am a LTC holder. But...what about states I frequent, like VA or MD?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 17, 2021 09:40 PM (M7K2y)

554 Weasel,
Before the internet connection craps out again thanks for the gun thread. your efforts are really appreciated.

Posted by: JTB at January 17, 2021 09:40 PM (7EjX1)

555 Posted by: nurse ratched at January 17, 2021 09:37 PM (U2p+3)
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You're welcome nurse!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:40 PM (MVjcR)

556 The trolls are really sort of amusing, in a sad sort of way.

Biden didn't "win" anything. His Fraudulency is only a placeholder for the coming Harris usurper.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 09:41 PM (WEBkv)

557 At this, they do a bang-up job - when they don't, greed and ambition are usually to blame.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33

No, inertia, and ennui, maybe.
We get broken into at our shop fairly often. Once every 2-3 years. Invariably the cops say, at some point, "Good thing you're insured."
I then have to explain to them, EVERY SINGLE TIME what a deductible is.
No, unless we get cleaned out, I eat it.Pretty much, property crime is a joke to them.
Here's your case number.

Posted by: MarkY at January 17, 2021 09:41 PM (7fxD9)

558 Posted by: JTB at January 17, 2021 09:40 PM (7EjX1)
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Always a pleasure to have you here, JTB!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:42 PM (MVjcR)

559 > I wonder if they're packaging decent CAD software with the things now?

FreeCAD is usable, and, well, free. It ain't AutoCAD, but it's pretty good. Maybe similar to GIMP v. Photoshop.

The basic process is this: CAD up your part and export it as .STL format (also saving it in the CAD programs native format, of course... saving early and often is recommended).

You then feed the STL file to "slicer" software, that cuts it into the layers that will be printed, and outputs G code (same stuff used for CNC machining, with extra commands to handle putting stuff on instead of cutting it off). The G code file is then loaded into the printer.

I use FreeCAD for design and Ultimaker Cura for slicing. Cura is also free. The slicing software generally has presets for most common printers, which you can tweak if necessary.

I also have a Creality Ender 3. It's a very popular model, which means there's tons of support (videos and such). The printer itself is an open source design. All the CAD drawings, schematics, and software are available for download.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at January 17, 2021 09:43 PM (8u1cU)

560 screaming in digital,
Jen, Weasel, Mark Edwards, and others here can give you excellent guidance.
Myself, I taught my mother how to shoot after my father passed so I understand it can be daunting but she can now put multiple holes in a target with that and her shotgun. The dirty secret is that women generally take to firearms and shoot them accurately than men. Men often have ego issues and do not have the fine muscle control that women usually have over muscles.
The main secret to firing an handgun is to get a firearm that fits your hand and where you can operate all the controls.
In practical terms, the first rule of gun battles is to have a gun. Most gun presentations end the threat without firing a shot. However, one must be prepared when it does not to pull the trigger.
For home defense, it is also often easier to fire a longarm than a handgun if your home defense plan is to shelter in place. A 20 gauge shotgun is equivalent to firing two 44 Magnum shells at the same time and many youth models fit smaller statured men and women quite well.
Be sure to bring any questions and people will be around to answer them on the gun thread every Sunday.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 09:43 PM (pO7gM)

561 Posted by: Farmer at January 17, 2021 09:43 PM (c/0cj)
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False Skip.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:44 PM (MVjcR)

562 Good evening guys, I took a last visit to my most local gun shop. They are going out of business, due to insurance going up after about 4 to 5 robbery attempts.

I bought 2 gum, a 9mm for CCW purpose and a 22 rifle for plinking and rodent control.

In the gun papers there is a NRA application. I know that the organization is on shaky ground now, at one time it was good, So question for the horde join, or not join?

Posted by: Picric at January 17, 2021 09:44 PM (3QnyK)

563 #537: I am increasingly becoming a Sig fanboy. I have yet to shoot one I do not like. I even gave the Tacops I had before the canoe accident a girl's name (Laura).

I shot the new military issue M17 at the MoMe and came away impressed. I tested out a P365 at Top Gun Range in Houston and likewise was impressed (I just need a longer mag on it to accommodate my hand so I can get my pinky around it). And now I see the USMC has the M18 as standard issue (a shorter barreled M17)?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 17, 2021 09:45 PM (M7K2y)

564 In the gun papers there is a NRA application. I know that the organization is on shaky ground now, at one time it was good, So question for the horde join, or not join?
Posted by: Picric at January 17, 2021 09:44 PM (3QnyK)

I won't join until there is some drastic changes at the top. (I suggest joining a state organization in the meantime.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 17, 2021 09:46 PM (M7K2y)

565 >Hell his own president 12 years ago knew he was a light weight.
Posted by: Quint

but he knew where the bathrooms were at the WH; that's why 0bumma picked him

Posted by: DB- just DB at January 17, 2021 09:46 PM (iTXRQ)

566 Do you all wear hearing protection when you do your target practice?
Posted by: ALH at January 17, 2021 08:22 PM (WSGpY)

WHAT?!

Posted by: GWB at January 17, 2021 09:46 PM (lclUd)

567
In the gun papers there is a NRA application. I know that the organization is on shaky ground now, at one time it was good, So question for the horde join, or not join?
Posted by: Picric at January 17, 2021 09:44 PM (3QnyK)
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Generally, CMP affiliated clubs require NRA membership. The membership is useful, as it gives access to the CMP store, which has fun things, like ammo, Garands and 1911's for sale.

So, I remain a member of the NRA because I like having access to CMP.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 09:46 PM (WEBkv)

568 P.S. I haven't tried making any gun stuff yet, but I've been enjoying the shit out of designing and printing little thingamabob that have broken or gotten lost around the house over the years.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at January 17, 2021 09:47 PM (8u1cU)

569 564: socking regulars gets you nowhere. And don't come crying to me when you become the victim of the police state you so badly want.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 17, 2021 09:47 PM (M7K2y)

570 screaming in digital!

I hereby dub you Official Ette!!!!

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 17, 2021 09:47 PM (U2p+3)

571 and before Weasel heads off, well done again sir

Posted by: DB- just DB at January 17, 2021 09:47 PM (iTXRQ)

572 sigs are overrated. They make good guns just like Beretta but there a Beretta's i would not wish on my worst enemy, like the Nano.

Some say here that Sig makes the best 1911. I was quiet about that but does that make any sense at all? The DA/SA king is now the king of the 1911? I remember when Smith and Wesson got into the 1911 game. Crap i bought one early on. They were famous for the external extractor. But a few years later, you never heard about S W 1911s

Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2021 09:47 PM (dVcaa)

573 In the gun papers there is a NRA application. I know that the organization is on shaky ground now, at one time it was good, So question for the horde join, or not join?
Posted by: Picric at January 17, 2021 09:44 PM (3QnyK)

It's pretty cheap for an annual membership, no? Wouldn't hurt.

Posted by: Robert at January 17, 2021 09:47 PM (1Yy3c)

574 #569: Thanks to the mods for Troll killing.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 17, 2021 09:48 PM (M7K2y)

575 Posted by: DB- just DB at January 17, 2021 09:47 PM (iTXRQ)
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Thanks, but it's all of you guys that make this fun! I appreciate it.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:48 PM (MVjcR)

576 ...and gals!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:48 PM (MVjcR)

577 In the gun papers there is a NRA application. I know that the organization is on shaky ground now, at one time it was good, So question for the horde join, or not join?

My opinion of the NRA can be found upthread.

Posted by: Oddbob (nee Bob the Bilderberg) at January 17, 2021 09:49 PM (qc+VF)

578 Sonova...

I thought "Screaming In Digital" sounded familiar!

https://youtu.be/qB0mSeBiAhI

Gotta love a Moron with excellent taste in metal.

Posted by: Robert at January 17, 2021 09:49 PM (1Yy3c)

579 565, Picric, go ahead and join. Right now, the NRA still has a large membership and they do training in a lot of states. Shooting Illustrated, is one magazine that is useful as well as sometimes the American Rifleman. In addition, they did offer firearm theft and damage insurance up to a certain amount for firearms without having to send in serial numbers and pictures. Cannot remember whether it is $1000-1500 total but membership is worth that at least because homeowners usually requires a deductible or even a policy rider and the firearms owned are on a schedule with serial and descriptions.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 09:50 PM (pO7gM)

580 Thanks to the mods for Troll killing.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 17, 2021 09:48 PM (M7K2y)
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My pleasure!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:50 PM (MVjcR)

581 Thank you, Weasel, for another fantastic thread.

Posted by: Ladyl at January 17, 2021 09:50 PM (TdMsT)

582 Lol

Posted by: My Fever is 105 at January 17, 2021 09:50 PM (N5ppU)

583 Evening all! Just picked up a brick of small pistol primers on GunBroker. Prices are... pricey.

Posted by: Glen the Deplorable Lurker at January 17, 2021 09:50 PM (Entn1)

584 Sig makes a nice weapon but they are all about DA/SA witch is anathema to a SA shooter or even a striker fired shooter. They make better 1911s than Kimber, Colt, RIA, Rock Rock River Arms, Wilson, Les Baer, Ed Brown etc?
not trying to be a jerk here but to be fair, I probably am. But I really think the idea that Sigarms makes the best 1911 is wrong. Then again, I could be wrong, as i have never shot one.

Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2021 09:51 PM (dVcaa)

585 Posted by: Ladyl at January 17, 2021 09:50 PM (TdMsT)
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Happy to do it! Thanks for tuning in!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:51 PM (MVjcR)

586 No, inertia, and ennui, maybe.
We get broken into at our shop fairly often. Once every 2-3 years. Invariably the cops say, at some point, "Good thing you're insured."
I then have to explain to them, EVERY SINGLE TIME what a deductible is.
No, unless we get cleaned out, I eat it.Pretty much, property crime is a joke to them.
Here's your case number.
Posted by: MarkY at January 17, 2021 09:41 PM (7fxD9)

Oh, no doubt, like any bureaucracy, they will put pedal to the metal in some instances. If a cop, for instance, gets a hangnail on a traffic stop, the entire weight of the State will come crashing down on the poor driver, and FAST. (Your shop gets broken into and none of your buddies or family are cops? Yawn.)

You make an EXTREMELY valid point.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 17, 2021 09:51 PM (M7K2y)

587 I think we are neighbors, and I mean physically near by.
I think I saw you comment that you weren't too far from Bullet Ranch on East Broad
I think I saw you comment that you weren't too far from Bullet Ranch on East Broad
osted by: Bozo Conservative ....Living on the prison planet at January 17, 2021 09:13 PM (ZCiJZ)

Sounds like it. We are west of you, but not too far. Jerry, one of the owners of TBR, is a friend.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 17, 2021 09:51 PM (1uBGK)

588 Weasel,
Too bad we cannot build a virtual target of troll posts into our training via AOS.

Might just start printing out the gray boxes of troll posts and putting them on a target for fun.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 09:52 PM (pO7gM)

589
not trying to be a jerk here but to be fair, I probably am. But I really think the idea that Sigarms makes the best 1911 is wrong. Then again, I could be wrong, as i have never shot one.
Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2021 09:51 PM (dVcaa)
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I have both a Sig and a Kimber 1911. Both are full size. The Kimber is my EDC.

However, both guns are very accurate and reliable, I just prefer the Kimber over the Sig.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 09:53 PM (WEBkv)

590 Good night y'all.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 09:53 PM (pO7gM)

591 Night, Whig!

Posted by: Robert at January 17, 2021 09:53 PM (1Yy3c)

592 Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 08:27 PM (pO7gM)

Cool info. Thanks!

And what you're saying is... yeah, I'm the only one.

Posted by: GWB at January 17, 2021 09:53 PM (lclUd)

593 Posted by: whig at January 17, 2021 09:52 PM (pO7gM)
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It's all part of the job.

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:54 PM (MVjcR)

594 here's a great example of Phil Spector's 'wall of sound'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9Lehkou2Do

Posted by: DB- just DB at January 17, 2021 09:54 PM (iTXRQ)

595 Oh, dear Lord, that formatting was ugly. Sorry, Horde. Bozo, I (think that I successfully) dropped my email in the URL field.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 17, 2021 09:55 PM (1uBGK)

596 thank you, whig. I ended up being very glad that I took pistol training before making a purchase... I had a lot of difficulty with the slide of some of the training pistols, so I knew to ask about that when I went back to the store. I'd like to have a long gun someday, too.

Posted by: screaming in digital at January 17, 2021 09:55 PM (k42hV)

597 Posted by: screaming in digital at January 17, 2021 09:55 PM (k42hV)
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Come to the TXMoMe and sign up for the Rifle Clinic!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:56 PM (MVjcR)

598 have both a Sig and a Kimber 1911. Both are full size. The Kimber is my EDC.

However, both guns are very accurate and reliable, I just prefer the Kimber over the Sig.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 09:53 PM (WEBkv)

I don't doubt they make quality. I am a Kimber and old school Colt man myself. But after seeing SW pretty much fail though have been making 1911 parts for years, I just got a burr about Sig going to the top for some reason. They are like a craft distillery. No way can they make a 1911 better than all who have been doing it for decades. But again, I know they make a good product.

Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2021 09:57 PM (dVcaa)

599 I really hope you can make it!!
Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:38 PM (MVjcR)
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#metoo

and of course I'll talk with you anytime, friend. Thank you for your kind words!

Posted by: screaming in digital at January 17, 2021 09:58 PM (k42hV)

600 ONT is up, y'all! Goodnight!

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 09:59 PM (MVjcR)

601 I just got a burr about Sig going to the top for some reason. They are like a craft distillery. No way can they make a 1911 better than all who have been doing it for decades. But again, I know they make a good product.
Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2021 09:57 PM (dVcaa)
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I forgot to mention, the Sig has an external extractor, which I don't much care fore. I prefer the internal extractor on the Kimber, as it's easy to remove and clean if it gets gummed up.

But, again, both guns have run wonderfully well and, even after extended bouts of not being shot.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 09:59 PM (WEBkv)

602 ONT is up. Thanks Weasel and assorted Hordelings. Stay safe out there.

Posted by: Oddbob (nee Bob the Bilderberg) at January 17, 2021 09:59 PM (qc+VF)

603 317

and go far disentangle

No idea how THAT auto-cucumber got by. It was "go far downrange".

Posted by: GWB at January 17, 2021 09:59 PM (lclUd)

604 Evening all,

Nurse, please try emailing me again. I couldn't find your email .
I would like to see kids have more of the upbringing that I had and my children had. Guns are just a normal part of life. Starting with BB guns and 22 rifles and gophers for target practice. Always a healthy respect but no fear.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at January 17, 2021 10:00 PM (IDhUW)

605 Posted by: screaming in digital at January 17, 2021 09:58 PM (k42hV)
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*fistbump*

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 10:00 PM (MVjcR)

606 I forgot to mention, the Sig has an external
extractor, which I don't much care fore. I prefer the internal extractor
on the Kimber, as it's easy to remove and clean if it gets gummed up.

But, again, both guns have run wonderfully well and, even after extended bouts of not being shot.

Posted by: blake - Dr semi lurker in marginal standing at January 17, 2021 09:59 PM (WEBkv)

i don't like the external exrtacter either. Change is my enemy lol. Again I am sure they are nice weapons, I know sig is almost universally respected. A bit of this is tongue in cheek but not all

I do know when S *W started making 1911s many scoffed. But it turns out they had been making 1911 parts for other companies for decades. And even SW pretty much blew it with the 1911.

Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2021 10:05 PM (dVcaa)

607 Corrosion of steel firearms components is due to the activity of one or more of three different bad actors: acids, ionic compounds (typically some kind of salt), and bacteria. Each of these three bad actors require some moisture to do their damage. That moisture can come from humid air, sweat, rain, or immersion.

Aluminized vacuum bags should keep moisture away from metals and prevent corrosion, but low humidity and vacuum can seriously damage wood and some plastics.

A better preservation practice for steel firearms components is to apply a wax-based rust inhibitor containing barium petroleum sulfonate. This defeats the harmful effects of the three bad actors and provides a durable barrier to exclude moisture.

The best wax-based rust inhibitors containing barium petroleum sulfonate meet the requirements of MIL-PRF-16173E Grade 2 Class 1. These rust inhibitors will protect bare steel left outside in tropical jungle conditions for two years or more. They are beneficial to wood, but will darken brass, nickel and silver.

Posted by: 10x25mm at January 17, 2021 10:06 PM (vO36R)

608 578 Sonova...

I thought "Screaming In Digital" sounded familiar!

https://youtu.be/qB0mSeBiAhI

Gotta love a Moron with excellent taste in metal.
Posted by: Robert at January 17, 2021 09:49 PM (1Yy3c)
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Hi Robert! You're the first to mention my nic... I never got to see the Ryche live in their original lineup, but rediscovered them in 2018 and got to see 3 shows pre covid. Of course, there are now only 2 founding members left, but they sound awesome to me.

Posted by: screaming in digital at January 17, 2021 10:06 PM (k42hV)

609 I do know when S *W started making 1911s many
scoffed. But it turns out they had been making 1911 parts for other
companies for decades. And even SW pretty much blew it with the 1911.

Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2021 10:05 PM (dVcaa)

not saying it is a bad weapon. I just think they are not that impactful in the gun world. I sold mine a long time ago, about the time that gun came out.

Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2021 10:10 PM (dVcaa)

610 Posted by: 10x25mm at January 17, 2021 10:06 PM (vO36R)
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Thank you! Would you mind sending me an email?

Posted by: Weasel at January 17, 2021 10:10 PM (MVjcR)

611 Hi Robert! You're the first to mention my nic... I never got to see the Ryche live in their original lineup, but rediscovered them in 2018 and got to see 3 shows pre covid. Of course, there are now only 2 founding members left, but they sound awesome to me.
Posted by: screaming in digital at January 17, 2021 10:06 PM (k42hV)

One of my great accomplishments in life was playing "London" on my iPhone as I approached Liverpool Station in 2013.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 17, 2021 11:26 PM (M7K2y)

612 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9Lehkou2Do

Requires the obligatory headline:

"Ike Turner beats Tina to death",

to go with the article announcing his death.

Posted by: Fox2! at January 17, 2021 11:43 PM (qyH+l)

613 I keep saying this, but imagine explaining to a person 20 years ago about there being a sob story in a major Western newspaper about a Satanic Temple being burned down, while the other stories are about how anyone opposed to a Chinese takeover of the united states is a "White Supremacist" even if they happen to be black, hispanic or black and hispanic.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 17, 2021 11:56 PM (qlFIA)

614 511 another thing about a regular PO Box: not everyone/thing can/will ship to one. with the UPS Store or equivalent, it appears to be an apartment, and there is no problem.
Posted by: redc1c4 (Biden Cheated!) at January 17, 2021 09:24 PM (8TU7E)

Only USPS can deliver to a PO Box (or a military postal box).

Posted by: Fox2! at January 18, 2021 12:03 AM (qyH+l)

615 I'm actually surprised that it took the NRA this long to unincorporate from NY. They've been hostile to the 2nd Amendment from way back.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 17, 2021 08:56 PM (4tiP2)

At least since the Sullivan Act in the (19) double oughts.

Posted by: Fox2! at January 18, 2021 12:29 AM (qyH+l)

616 Stetsons or Fedoras?
Posted by: ALH at January 17, 2021 08:56 PM (WSGpY)

Though nooded a while back, I just got to this.

And the answer is Yes. Along with others (flat caps, newsboys, boonie hats, berets (the kind with a patch and rank on the front), and an Aussie-style from survival training).

Posted by: GWB at January 18, 2021 12:33 AM (lclUd)

617 DCXVII

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 18, 2021 02:32 AM (M7K2y)

618 Biden swears to UPHOLD,PROTECT AND DEFEND THE U.S. then turns right around and pushes for Gun Control Gun Confiscation a typical two faced liberal democrat

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