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Saturday Evening Movie Thread 01-16-2021 [Hosted By: Moviegique]

(This is a review of two Kim Ki-Duk films: "Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter...and Spring" and "3-Iron".)

The first Korean film I may have seen, as a wee nearly-29-year-old bairn, was Yongary, Monster from the Deep, the Korean Godzilla, if you like, which was almost as popular in its day as the giant Japanese lizard. Then for nearly 29 years...nothing. And then in 2003, this odd film called Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter...and Spring actually turned up on some local (not even art-house) screens, and we decided to go see it.



3-Iron 01.jpg
Not the worst living arrangements I've ever seen.

I was actually going to talk about it last time, but that was right after Christmas and Spring is a quintessentially Buddhist film. An old monk living on an island/houseboat has a young boy for a ward. They live a simple life, but the boy sneaks off and torments small animals, and the old monk teaches him a painful lesson. In the Summer section of the film, the boy is now a young adult, and learns about the temptations and pitfalls of sex. He goes out into the world and discovers ever more and more trouble, and his own capacity for evil. The film never leaves the area with the houseboat, but the now-grown man comes back looking for peace and sanctuary against a vengeful society. In Winter, the young man has become old, returning to the house boat after learning that peace and happiness are not necessarily found in pursuit of worldly things, and in the final Spring, a new young boy is delivered to the boat, and the cycle continues.

Beautifully shot and a reminder that Korea is a beautiful place (if you're not fighting a war there), the film is slow paced and poetic, as well as almost passive. That is, it never tries to excite sympathy: We are observers to the vicissitudes of life, but we are outside them. Thus, when the boy (and later man) does things that are wrong, we are not inclined to hate him, or weep for him, or do anything other than hope he is steered on the right path.

Compared to life in, oh, say, America, say, right at this moment, it is the antithesis. It is calm and simple and all about the current moment. It was unlike any movie I had seen up to that point.



3-Iron 02.jpg
Some days you tie a rock around the frog and some days, well, the frog ties a rock around you.

Because I had found this film so moving, I endeavored to see the director's next film, 3 Iron in the theater. But as often happens with foreign features, it played for a week at most (if it played at all), and I ended up seeing it on cable. I was similarly blown away by the story of Tae-suk, a strange outsider who has what is the most demeaning job in Korea (next to cleaning saunas): Posting flyers on people's doors. But what Tae-suk does is go back to the neighborhood where he posted his flyers and see which ones weren't removed or discarded—and then he breaks into the house or apartment and crashes there for the night.

While he's there he does things like use their cookware, food and even toothbrushes, but he also fixes up the place, especially any broken devices. He's never been caught at this, as far as we can tell. But one night he does it to a very nice house which turns out not to be empty: A woman, Sun-hwa is there hiding from her abusive husband, and things shake out that Tae-Suk basically beats the tar out of the husband (when he comes home) by launching golf balls at the guy using his own 3 iron (which he then steals).



3-Iron 03.jpg
Not the worst basis for a relationship I've ever seen.

Tae-suk and Sun-hwa go on their own road adventure, posting flyers and breaking into houses until the vengeful husband comes to track them down. While Spring has elements of what you might call magical realism—as Spring goes along, we begin to wonder how the old monk ends up in such perfect vantage points to view things when the boy has taken the boat which is the only means to get off the island—3 Iron takes its metaphorical conceit, a young man figuratively invisible to society, and turns it literal.

It's not magical realism in the western sense—where a momentary non-flashy, even dubiously legitimate suspension of the physics provides a plot resolution or advancement. This isn't "the magic was inside you all along" get-out-of-jail-free card-type bromide. Tae-suk, while likable, isn't a particularly heroic figure except somewhat in his defense of Sun-hwa, who herself is more tragic than heroic (we piece together that she's married the wealthy man because he supports her parents). Their relationship is interesting, and the resolution of the films is downright spooky.



3-Iron 04.jpg
Does this bother you? I' m not touching you!

There's not a lot of talking in either of these films. In 3 Iron, the lead characters don't talk at all for the first half-hour or more. And they are very measured in pacing, with the (never formally trained) director eschewing any temptation to sentimentalize or sensationalize. But to me, they represent an amazing and relatively rare use of cinema.

Kim Ki-duk directed over two dozen films in his 20 year career without ever really approaching this level again, as far as I know. He was #metoo'ed a couple of years ago and fled to Latvia when his prospects in Korea dried up. (I have no comment on the veracity of the claims made against him, but he was an indie in his country and I have no doubt protection extends to some more than others, as it is everywhere. I would also point out that he himself plays the criminal adult pursued by the law in Spring.) Kim died last month, a couple of weeks before his 60th birthday, apparently of the coronavirus, out-living his namesake by only a few years.

His directing namesake—Kim Ki-duk, no relation—died a few weeks before his 83rd birthday in 2017. This Kim, however, directed cheesy soapers and, most famously, the giant monster movie Yongary.

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1 hey

Posted by: DB- just DB at January 16, 2021 08:07 PM (iTXRQ)

2 Wrong time zone

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2021 08:07 PM (Cxk7w)

3 fuck me! how'd that happen


somebody else can have my first

Posted by: DB- just DB at January 16, 2021 08:08 PM (iTXRQ)

4 WTF? Another movie no one will ever see..
I'll check in later..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 16, 2021 08:08 PM (CjFDo)

5 Going to add both to my "movie queue".

Posted by: runner at January 16, 2021 08:09 PM (zr5Kq)

6 yeah I have nothing on this subject either


later

Posted by: DB- just DB at January 16, 2021 08:09 PM (iTXRQ)

7 Foreign movies? Geez, I feel like a conservative in America.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at January 16, 2021 08:09 PM (r1z5A)

8 WTF? Another movie no one will ever see..
I'll check in later..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 16, 2021 08:08 PM (CjFDo)


yes, check in later....tomorrow

Posted by: runner at January 16, 2021 08:10 PM (zr5Kq)

9 I watched Nicholas and Alexandra recently. In pieces, because it is a bit long. Very good work.

Posted by: runner at January 16, 2021 08:11 PM (zr5Kq)

10 Not sure I ever saw a Korean movie, use to catch a Korean soap opera on some cable channel sometimes

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2021 08:11 PM (Cxk7w)

11 Haven't watched a movie all week

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2021 08:13 PM (Cxk7w)

12 oh I have a movie report!
watched The Silencing on amafazizone
Nikolaj Coster-Waldau - action in the gropim bleak style

Posted by: Herr Frau Doktor vmom Staunch Demofaszi (on gab as @vm) at January 16, 2021 08:13 PM (nUhF0)

13 "I'm Thinking of Ending Things" (2020) I was thinking of ending this movie several times while watching it, but I love Jessie Buckley, so I stuck with it. I would call this film mental masturbation, except you never get your cookies. I'd be highly skeptical of any proposition claiming to find a point to it.

Posted by: gp's Movie Laffs at January 16, 2021 08:13 PM (qpX6U)

14 Greyhound (2020) Good-enough movie about destroyers screening Atlantic convoy during WWII. Special effects not the best, and Hanks-haters gonna hate, but the pace is pleasantly brisk. Naval dialogue sounded plausible to this landlubber.

Posted by: gp's Movie Laffs at January 16, 2021 08:14 PM (qpX6U)

15 But what Tae-suk does is go back to the neighborhood where he posted his flyers and see which ones weren't removed or discarded - and then he breaks into the house or apartment and crashes there for the night.
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Keep this in mind, as a way to find a place to stay, after the Biden economy really kicks in.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 16, 2021 08:14 PM (sy5kK)

16
Not sure I ever saw a Korean movie, use to catch a Korean soap opera on some cable channel sometimes

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2021 08:11 PM


Train to Busan would be a heart-warming introduction to Korean film

Posted by: AltonJackson at January 16, 2021 08:14 PM (1V3ga)

17 "The Assistant" (2020-ish) (aka "Bleak Office") On the series "Ozark," Julia Garner gets to boss plenty of people around. In this movie, she gets the other end of the stick, toiling at the bottom of the NYC branch office of Assholes Incorporated. Having naively chosen to attempt to rise in a male-dominated jerk-centric profession, she is nonplussed by the, it would seem, well-known fact that powerful men are crude amoral horndogs. Praised throughout her life as The Brain Girl, she is miffed that less qualified women get more "attention" than she does. Given ample opportunity to leave, she stays. I didn't care at all about her ethical dilemma, but I did enjoy the movie's ominous pace and relentless dreariness, and again am prompted to thank goodness for my retirement from work hell.

Posted by: gp's Movie Laffs at January 16, 2021 08:14 PM (qpX6U)

18 also on amafazizone - s1 free until Jan 41
Rocco Schiavone - Italiam detective series set in snowy north
I like it so fat

Posted by: Herr Frau Doktor vmom Staunch Demofaszi (on gab as @vm) at January 16, 2021 08:14 PM (nUhF0)

19 LONG Duk Dong!

Sorry, had to.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at January 16, 2021 08:15 PM (Dc2NZ)

20 "The Painted Bird" (2019) Cruelty, poverty, ignorance, superstition, pestilence, lust, war atrocities, pederasty, bestiality, revenge: this movie's got it all. Almost three hours of refugee agony. Style kinda reminds me of Tarr or Tarkovsky. Very well made, photographed and cast. I had to watch it to the end. But this film is far too brutal for most people, so don't consider this a recommendation.

Posted by: gp's Movie Laffs at January 16, 2021 08:15 PM (qpX6U)

21 I think they captured Rasputin so well. The actor looked familiar, then I realized he is Prince Koura , aka Tom Baker.

Posted by: runner at January 16, 2021 08:15 PM (zr5Kq)

22 Greyhound (2020) Good-enough movie about destroyers
screening Atlantic convoy during WWII. Special effects not the best,
and Hanks-haters gonna hate, but the pace is pleasantly brisk. Naval
dialogue sounded plausible to this landlubber.

Posted by: gp's Movie Laffs.....Yes, I liked this movie.. signed up for Apple TV just because of it.
Apple TV has disappointed, however.. really not much to watch!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 16, 2021 08:15 PM (CjFDo)

23 we watch a lot of kdramas here, but not a lot of korean movies

Posted by: Herr Frau Doktor vmom Staunch Demofaszi (on gab as @vm) at January 16, 2021 08:16 PM (nUhF0)

24 Spaceball ricochet

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at January 16, 2021 08:17 PM (PUmDY)

25 14 Greyhound (2020) Good-enough movie about destroyers screening Atlantic convoy during WWII. Special effects not the best, and Hanks-haters gonna hate, but the pace is pleasantly brisk. Naval dialogue sounded plausible to this landlubber.
Posted by: gp's Movie Laffs at January 16, 2021 08:14 PM (qpX6U)
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But I don't have Apple streaming, and all the theaters are closed.

The previews on TV looked good, though.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 16, 2021 08:17 PM (sy5kK)

26 20 "The Painted Bird" (2019) Cruelty, poverty, ignorance, superstition, pestilence, lust, war atrocities, pederasty, bestiality, revenge: this movie's got it all. Almost three hours of refugee agony. Style kinda reminds me of Tarr or Tarkovsky. Very well made, photographed and cast. I had to watch it to the end. But this film is far too brutal for most people, so don't consider this a recommendation.
Posted by: gp's Movie Laffs at January 16, 2021 08:15 PM (qpX6U)
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Jerzy's "Painted Bird"? Didn't know they made a movie of it. What a brutal novel.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at January 16, 2021 08:17 PM (Dc2NZ)

27 Greyhound (2020) Good-enough movie about destroyers
screening Atlantic convoy during WWII. Special effects not the best,
and Hanks-haters gonna hate, but the pace is pleasantly brisk. Naval
dialogue sounded plausible to this landlubber.

Posted by: gp's Movie Laffs
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Is that the screen adaptation of 'The Good Shepherd'?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 16, 2021 08:18 PM (vOGqy)

28 20 "The Painted Bird" (2019) Cruelty, poverty, ignorance, superstition, pestilence, lust, war atrocities, pederasty, bestiality, revenge:

So, a movie about the Biden Crime Family.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 16, 2021 08:19 PM (sy5kK)

29 not sure why in Italian the underlings call the Inspector "dottore"

Posted by: Herr Frau Doktor vmom Staunch Demofaszi (on gab as @vm) at January 16, 2021 08:19 PM (nUhF0)

30 I mean, I guess I could just talk about movies you all have seen or are going to see, but I'm not sure what you'd get out of it.

Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 08:19 PM (dhFCT)

31 I would like to see Greyhound even if it's Capt Hanks

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2021 08:20 PM (Cxk7w)

32 Greetings:

"The Yellow Sea" is a good Korean film for folks who appreciate good knife and hatchet work.

Posted by: 11B40 at January 16, 2021 08:21 PM (evgyj)

33 Telegram Sam

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at January 16, 2021 08:21 PM (PUmDY)

34 but I'm not sure what you'd get out of it.
Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 08:19 PM

Nah, I like hearing about the exotic stuff. Don't end up seeing all of them, but they at least open avenues for exploration.

Posted by: She Hobbit at January 16, 2021 08:22 PM (ftFVW)

35 Don' know nothin' 'bout no furrin flicks, but I watched sum movies.

Last watched: Office Space, which I've surely seen but so long ago I didn't remember much of it.

There was some homage more recently to the printer-wrecking scene, but I can't remember who or what.

Also watched: Bicentennial Man. I was thinking, what would this gentle philosophical SF film be like in a Michael Bay remake?

Also, just for escapism, watched Iron Man 3, and Guardians of the Galaxy. They had their merits, especially in light of the later decline of the MCU.

But, who cares?

Posted by: mindful webworker
stuck in endless loop
at January 16, 2021 08:23 PM (xdNUT)

36 Nice reviews, Moviegigue. Thanks.

"Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter...and Spring" looks especially intriguing. I need calm movies with nice scenery these days.

Posted by: Michael the Texan at January 16, 2021 08:23 PM (9IdCK)

37 Is that the screen adaptation of 'The Good Shepherd'?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 16, 2021 08:18 PM (vOGqy)


99.99% sure ...

Posted by: Adriane the Just the Punchline Critic ... at January 16, 2021 08:23 PM (LPnfS)

38 On TCM recently they showed two great "Russia" movies, "Dr. Zhivago" and "The Brothers Karamazov" (or as we call it, "Karamatzoball").

I read that Zhivago got panned so hard by the critics that it would be 14 years until Lean made another film ("Passage to India"). Of course it went on to be a great hit as word of mouth spread.

I really liked "Karamazov". Lee J. Cobb was terrific as the dissolute old dad controlling the people around him by controlling the purse strings to his late wife's fortune, and Yul Brynner was smokin' hot as the tempestuous Dmitri. And Captain Kirk played the pious youngest son. I liked that there was redemption for many of the characters by the end.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at January 16, 2021 08:24 PM (Dc2NZ)

39 14 Greyhound (2020) Good-enough movie about destroyers screening Atlantic convoy during WWII. Special effects not the best, and Hanks-haters gonna hate, but the pace is pleasantly brisk.
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I can still watch a Hanks movie, knowing his political beliefs. But DiNiro, that jerk has ruined watching any movie he has ever been in. If one comes on the tube, the channel is changed immediately.
I can't separate his character from his sorry ass.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 16, 2021 08:25 PM (sy5kK)

40 Yes, "Greyhound" is the film version of "The Good Shepherd."

Posted by: butch at January 16, 2021 08:26 PM (cHvOo)

41 13 "I'm Thinking of Ending Things" (2020) I was thinking of ending this movie several times while watching it, but I love Jessie Buckley, so I stuck with it. I would call this film mental masturbation, except you never get your cookies. I'd be highly skeptical of any proposition claiming to find a point to it.
Posted by: gp's Movie Laffs at January 16, 2021 08:13 PM (qpX6U)


Agreed. I was hopeful at the start, but that fizzled out. Just plain weird movie.

I went to the new Tom Hanks movie, News of the World. When we left the theater (six people in attendance) I told my wife that it wasn't Hanks' worst movie. Joe vs. the Volcano is still out there.

Posted by: windbag at January 16, 2021 08:27 PM (oVwor)

42 As someone who goes (or used to go) the movies all the time, as mainstream American movies have deteriorated, it gets harder and harder to find stuff in the top 40. If I don't want to see watered-down SJW porridge, I gotta go to foreign lands (and the past, which is its own foreign land).

Maybe most people get all they need from the top 40 but I've never been that guy for anything (movies, books, music).

Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 08:27 PM (dhFCT)

43 LONG Duk Dong!

Sorry, had to.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at January 16, 2021 08:15 PM (Dc2NZ)

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Oh, sexy American girlfriend!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 16, 2021 08:27 PM (kTF2Z)

44 "I gotta go to foreign lands (and the past, which is its own foreign land)."

THIS.

Posted by: gp's Movie Laffs at January 16, 2021 08:27 PM (qpX6U)

45 I mean, I guess I could just talk about movies you all have seen or are going to see, but I'm not sure what you'd get out of it.
Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 08:19 PM (dhFCT)

Your posts are fine, and you're going to have a limited number of people interested in the films you are reviewing. Those of us who are pretty certain we're not going to watch the films you review, we might not read the review, which is fine too.

Probably a good idea to just do what you intend, and not put too much thought or energy in whether we're going to discuss the movies you review or not. They don't call us Morons for nothin'.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2021 08:29 PM (C7zIl)

46 News of the world looks awful from the trailer that YouTube is pushing on me every video I watch.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at January 16, 2021 08:29 PM (zsdSH)

47 Maybe most people get all they need from the top 40 but I've never been that guy for anything (movies, books, music).
Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 08:27 PM (dhFCT)
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Write about what you love, the fringe, the freaky, baby!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at January 16, 2021 08:29 PM (Dc2NZ)

48 If I don't want to see watered-down SJW porridge, I gotta go to foreign lands (and the past, which is its own foreign land).

==

this

Posted by: Herr Frau Doktor vmom Staunch Demofaszi (on gab as @vm) at January 16, 2021 08:29 PM (nUhF0)

49 46 News of the world looks awful from the trailer that YouTube is pushing on me every video I watch.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at January 16, 2021 08:29 PM (zsdSH)

Too bad. The book was great.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at January 16, 2021 08:30 PM (Dc2NZ)

50 Glad you liked it, Michael. It is a very calm, philosophical film.

Eris,

||I read that Zhivago got panned so hard by the critics that it would be 14 years until Lean made another film ("Passage to India"). Of course it went on to be a great hit as word of mouth spread.||

That timeline doesn't quite make sense, I don't think. Zhivago was 1965 and Passage was 1984. But maybe Lean got funding for Passage in '79. And it took five years to make. But then there's "Ryan's Daughter" which he made in 1970, but I suppose it's possible that was started before Zhivago came out.

Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 08:31 PM (dhFCT)

51 Some movies I watched recently. I've been cocooning since 11/5... +beer virus, too. I've probably seen more movies during the past 6 months than during the past 50 years. I'd be interesting to see what others have to say about some of these:

1) "Four Billboards": Ebbing, MO (a fictional place) is obviously in eastern MO, because they all say "Missour-ee," instead of "Missour-ah," as God intended. Fabulous ensemble cast. Can't decide about the rest of it. Frances McDormand makes it worth watching all by herself.

2) "American Psycho": I asked my teenage sons to pick a movie we could all watch New Years-- that'll teach me! I've get a special aversion to any film that leaves it to the viewer to decide what's real & what may be an hallucination. I realize the novel did this too.

3) "Revolver": I like Guy Ritchie films, but this one was boring, dreadful & not funny. Once again, the viewer was left to figure out what was real, & what was all in the mind.

4) "Hacksaw Ridge": Not for me. I thought it was sentimental, & compared unfavorably to Sergeant York which explores the same theme-- only with humor & unpredictability. (to be continued)

Posted by: mnw at January 16, 2021 08:31 PM (Cssks)

52 My timeline could be wrong, MG.

Visually, "Ryan's Daughter" had some gorgeous images, but it just felt like a beautiful slog to me.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at January 16, 2021 08:32 PM (Dc2NZ)

53 I like reviews of good movies outside the mainstream.
Mind you, I've been drinking.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at January 16, 2021 08:33 PM (lgiXo)

54 but I'm not sure what you'd get out of it.
Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 08:19 PM (dhFCT)


I love the reviews. It's not hard to find a review of, say, Wonder Woman.

You bring it.

Posted by: Michael the Texan at January 16, 2021 08:33 PM (9IdCK)

55 I watched Mandy last weekend. A wonderful, surreal, ultra violent Nicholas Cage flick. Not sure what else needs to be said about it.

Highly recommended... but only if you LIKE surreal, ultra violent Nicholas Cage flicks.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2021 08:34 PM (C7zIl)

56 This post is enjoyable to read, even if I'm not going to see it, tells me something about Korean movies that I didn't know, and appreciate that.

So, thanks.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 16, 2021 08:34 PM (sy5kK)

57 ||Write about what you love, the fringe, the freaky, baby!||

Oh, man...you guys wouldn't believe the stuff on the fringe. I never covered "Violence, Voyager" here, did I? I don't think so. That was...an experience.

Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 08:34 PM (dhFCT)

58 I'm boycotting the film industry until they recognize the greatness of Lone Wolf McQuade.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 16, 2021 08:34 PM (kTF2Z)

59 "Zhivago" is a great novel, perhaps the greatest novel of the 20th century. But like "War and Peace," or "The Prince," it ain't easy to make a movie of such a novel. Maybe that accounts for the negative reviews. Or it could be that reviewers are assholes. Not sure. Haven't seen the movie since I was, oh, mebbe 13. Vague images floating around in my superannuated mind.

Posted by: Caliban at January 16, 2021 08:35 PM (HgGBT)

60 Now, I =did= cover "Mandy" here:

https://moviegique.com/2019/01/mandy/

And I gotta say, it'd make a good double-feature of "Color Out Of Sapce":

https://moviegique.com/2020/02/color-out-of-space/

For cray-cray Nicholas Cage experiences.

Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 08:36 PM (dhFCT)

61 Ace recommended "Fatman" the other day. Seconded -- it was a real hoot, although bit violent. Mel must be a gun guy IRL, scene where he was casually thumbing a few rounds into a magazine looked pretty adept. https://tinyurl.com/y52djrnb

Posted by: chris-cross-apple-sauce at January 16, 2021 08:36 PM (ODHkI)

62 This post is enjoyable to read, even if I'm not going to see it, tells me something about Korean movies that I didn't know, and appreciate that.
So, thanks.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 16, 2021 08:34 PM (sy5kK)

Concur.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 16, 2021 08:36 PM (R/m4+)

63 It's certainly better to hear about about a movie you never saw or something you don't normally see. I have seen a few mentioned on the Movie threads I otherwise wouldn't have.

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2021 08:36 PM (Cxk7w)

64 I couldn't get through Mandy

Posted by: Herr Frau Doktor vmom Staunch Demofaszi (on gab as @vm) at January 16, 2021 08:36 PM (nUhF0)

65 I always appreciate moviegique's reviews.

Posted by: runner at January 16, 2021 08:37 PM (zr5Kq)

66 || Or it could be that reviewers are assholes. ||

Or it could be that reviewers are communist assholes, specifically.

"Zhivago" ain't "Reds". The commies are portrayed as the thugs they are, not noble revolutionaries.

Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 08:37 PM (dhFCT)

67 55 I watched Mandy last weekend. A wonderful, surreal, ultra violent Nicholas Cage flick. Not sure what else needs to be said about it.

Highly recommended... but only if you LIKE surreal, ultra violent Nicholas Cage flicks.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2021 08:34 PM (C7zIl)
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I LOVE "Mandy". Love the waking nightmare quality and the LSD colors.

Hey, Nic's gonna be in "Willy's World": "A quiet drifter is tricked into a janitorial job at the now condemned Wally's Wonderland. The mundane tasks suddenly become an all-out fight for survival against wave after wave of demonic animatronics. Fists fly, kicks land, titans clash -- and only one side will make it out alive."

Hell yeah I'm seeing it.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at January 16, 2021 08:38 PM (Dc2NZ)

68 I'm boycotting the film industry until they recognize the greatness of Lone Wolf McQuade.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 16, 2021 08:34 PM (kTF2Z)

At least you didn't say Ghost Ship.

Incidentally, I decided to put all my DVDs/Blue Rays on spreadsheets, separating movies from tv shows from documentaries, performances, and sports.

Very time consuming, but also illuminating. There are movies I have that I didn't know I had. Including the aforementioned Ghost Ship on a four film horror collection!

Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2021 08:38 PM (C7zIl)

69 | Or it could be that reviewers are assholes. ||

Or it could be that reviewers are communist assholes, specifically.

"Zhivago" ain't "Reds". The commies are portrayed as the thugs they are, not noble revolutionaries.
Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 08:37 PM (

Exackly

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at January 16, 2021 08:39 PM (lgiXo)

70 I never understood why in the world a Egyptian was cast as Zhivago. Someone told me it might have been because he looked a little bit like Pasternak.

Posted by: runner at January 16, 2021 08:40 PM (zr5Kq)

71 Sorry, guys! I didn't mean to be fishing for compliments. Just sometimes the first few comments are "I'm not going to watch this," "This is so bad, I'm leaving the site," etc. and I think, "Well, hell, I should have done something else...." but that's a crapshoot, too.

I appreciate the kind words.

Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 08:40 PM (dhFCT)

72 Just sometimes the first few comments are "I'm not going to watch this,



we don't care about those people

Posted by: runner at January 16, 2021 08:41 PM (zr5Kq)

73 When I watch a movie, I don't want to be educated. I don't want to have my awareness raised or otherwise get woke. Tell me a story and do it well. Take me away from my wretched life for a couple of hours. Too much to ask in this day and age I guess.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 16, 2021 08:41 PM (kTF2Z)

74 Now, I =did= cover "Mandy" here:

https://moviegique.com/2019/01/mandy/

And I gotta say, it'd make a good double-feature of "Color Out Of Sapce":

https://moviegique.com/2020/02/color-out-of-space/

For cray-cray Nicholas Cage experiences.
Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 08:36 PM (dhFCT)

My problem is, if I know I'm going to watch a movie, I don't WANT to read a review first. I'll bookmark yours now, so I can read it. I do tend to go back and watch RLM and/or Drinker's reviews, if they've done them.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2021 08:41 PM (C7zIl)

75 ||Hey, Nic's gonna be in "Willy's World": "A quiet drifter is tricked into a janitorial job at the now condemned Wally's Wonderland. The mundane tasks suddenly become an all-out fight for survival against wave after wave of demonic animatronics. Fists fly, kicks land, titans clash -- and only one side will make it out alive."

Hell yeah I'm seeing it.||

OMG...I need the theaters to re-open!

Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 08:41 PM (dhFCT)

76 In all seriousness I like having my movie horizons expanded.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at January 16, 2021 08:42 PM (lgiXo)

77
I really liked "Karamazov". And Captain Kirk played the pious youngest son.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes


It had Captain Kirk and Admiral Nelson.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 16, 2021 08:43 PM (63Dwl)

78 post 51 continues:

5) "Rome": BBC miniseries; 2 seasons, 2006-7. The best production design I've ever seen in any film, except for "Blade Runner," & that's some high cotton right there. The producers/story editors were VERY careful not to do violence to history, a la Oliver Stone. Major points for that. The title credit sequence is so good, I watched it 22 times-- before every episode, instead of skipping it, as I could have done. (Spoiler alert: the graffiti on the walls of Rome start to... move about.) After 22 episodes, the continuing fictional characters got a little soap opera-y, imo, but maybe that's inevitable in a miniseries.

Posted by: mnw at January 16, 2021 08:43 PM (Cssks)

79 ||My problem is, if I know I'm going to watch a movie, I don't WANT to read a review first. I'll bookmark yours now, so I can read it. I do tend to go back and watch RLM and/or Drinker's reviews, if they've done them.||

Yeah, and that's hard from my angle, too. I often don't to read reviews beforehand, either. Usually. OTOH, I don't want to put a lot of spoilers in a review. And on the third hand, sometimes you have spoil a movie in order to talk about it meaningfully.

Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 08:43 PM (dhFCT)

80
"Zhivago" ain't "Reds". The commies are portrayed as the thugs they are, not noble revolutionaries.
Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 08:37 PM (dhFCT)

I never saw Zhivago until maybe 10 years or so ago, on TV when I had a do-nothing, stay at home day.
The ruthlessness and dishonesty of the times was accurately portrayed.

I was thinking of this yesterday when I saw a news clip of what is going on in DC, and the reports of blackballing Trump staffers looking to get hired in private business.
It's just the way my mind works.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 16, 2021 08:45 PM (sy5kK)

81 watched Possessor last night

highly recommended to me

highly disappointing, but apparently it's better than the younger Cronenberg's previous film, Antiviral

anyway, it was overly long and slow. would have made a good Black Mirror episode.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 16, 2021 08:45 PM (j9HX3)

82 I couldn't get through Mandy
Posted by: Herr Frau Doktor vmom Staunch Demofaszi (on gab as @vm) at January 16, 2021 08:36 PM (nUhF0)

Perfectly understandable.

The actress who plays the title character, she's captivating. I understand why they cast her for the part.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2021 08:45 PM (C7zIl)

83 I'm boycotting the film industry until they recognize the greatness of Lone Wolf McQuade.

(Sorry for taking the bait on your arty thread, Gique...)

IIANM, Lone Wolf McQuade was the one where the Gabby Hayes-esque character looks at the Hot Babe character and says something like "I'd like to bite that ass, get lockjaw and be dragged to death." I don't care about the rest of the movie but that was a damn funny line.

Posted by: Oddbob (nee Bob the Bilderberg) at January 16, 2021 08:45 PM (qc+VF)

84 Yeah, and that's hard from my angle, too. I often don't to read reviews beforehand, either. Usually. OTOH, I don't want to put a lot of spoilers in a review. And on the third hand, sometimes you have spoil a movie in order to talk about it meaningfully.

Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 08:43 PM (dhFCT)

That's a lot of hands!

Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2021 08:46 PM (C7zIl)

85 "I'd like to bite that ass, get lockjaw and be dragged to death." I don't care about the rest of the movie but that was a damn funny line.
Posted by: Oddbob (nee Bob the Bilderberg) at January 16, 2021 08:45 PM (qc+VF)

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Yes! True greatness in cinema.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 16, 2021 08:47 PM (kTF2Z)

86 They eat cats there. They eat puppies there.

So no.

But at least they're going to fight the NORKs.

Posted by: torabora at January 16, 2021 08:47 PM (PVSan)

87 Pretty much the only Hanks movie I like is The Burbs, and that's probably because it's not a Hanks vehicle; he's just in it. I've never really liked the guy, and I think most of his movies I've seen are dull. I just avoid them altogether now.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at January 16, 2021 08:47 PM (H5knJ)

88 Korea IS a beautiful place - take it from one who has hiked through there while stationed there.

And as far as Korean films go, give me Attack The Gas Station!, and of course Tae Guk Gi. Among others.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 16, 2021 08:48 PM (M7K2y)

89 I couldn't get through Mandy
Posted by: Herr Frau Doktor vmom Staunch Demofaszi (on gab as @vm) at January 16, 2021 08:36 PM (nUhF0)

Anyone else watch both Mandy and Valhalla Rising? If so, did you see similarities in the way it was shot and the minimal dialogue like I did?

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 16, 2021 08:48 PM (2DOZq)

90 Just sometimes the first few comments are "I'm not going to watch this,

we don't care about those people

Posted by: runner

Maybe I over think this, but: When I'm watching a foreign movie and I'm not sure where it's going I wonder, well, maybe there's some cultural thing I'm not getting...and by the time I've decided it didn't matter and I'll just go with the flow, end credits roll, and I'm headed for the exit...wishing John Wayne made more movies.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at January 16, 2021 08:48 PM (r1z5A)

91 ||I don't want to have my awareness raised or otherwise get woke. Tell me a story and do it well. Take me away from my wretched life for a couple of hours. Too much to ask in this day and age I guess.||

Well, we are talking about 15-year-old movies here. But movie storytelling fell apart in the '60s.

Anyway, I liked these because they are simple stories.

The best storytelling (in American cinema) is from the golden age. That's one reason I go foreign: They still tell good stories in Korea, Israel, etc.

Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 08:48 PM (dhFCT)

92 But at least they're going to fight the NORKs.
Posted by: torabora at January 16, 2021 08:47 PM (PVSan)

---------

Anyone who's trained with the ROKs would tell you otherwise.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 16, 2021 08:49 PM (kTF2Z)

93 Hey, Nic's gonna be in "Willy's World": "A quiet drifter is tricked into a janitorial job at the now condemned Wally's Wonderland. The mundane tasks suddenly become an all-out fight for survival against wave after wave of demonic animatronics. Fists fly, kicks land, titans clash -- and only one side will make it out alive."

Hell yeah I'm seeing it.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at January 16, 2021 08:38 PM (Dc2NZ)

Looks like one of those movies, I'm gonna have to stick my fingers in my ears and poke out my eyes to avoid spoilers.

I'm assuming it's going to be impossible to talk about without giving much of it away. Heck, I think they already did in that trailer.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2021 08:49 PM (C7zIl)

94 Back in the day when I watched a lot of movies I would go through phases. I went through sn Australian phase, think Gallipoli) I went through an Irish phase (The Commitments and In The Name of the Father) and I had an Israeli phase but I can't remember any movies.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at January 16, 2021 08:49 PM (lgiXo)

95 Hey Moviegique:

I appreciate this post on the Korean films because they are something I probably would pass right over without a second thought. Your reviews are intriguing and now I think I'm going to look for them.

Posted by: IrishEi at January 16, 2021 08:49 PM (sGotD)

96 "Parasite":

How can u talk about Korean flicks & NOT mention the only one ever to win the Oscar for best picture?

Me? I didn't like it, altho the first half was darkly funny.

Posted by: mnw at January 16, 2021 08:50 PM (Cssks)

97 I really liked HBO's Rome. It was inevitable that Augustus would triumph over Antony and Cleopatra. Kind of sad that he refused to let them hold each other's hands in death.

Posted by: jmel at January 16, 2021 08:51 PM (bVhJi)

98 Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at January 16, 2021 08:49 PM (lgiXo)

Two of my favorite 'Westerns' are Australian.

Quigley down Under and Man From Snowy River

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 16, 2021 08:52 PM (2DOZq)

99 The fella that played the Soviet commander with the train in Dr. Zhivago also played the lead in "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" about a day in the gulag.

He is a good actor and I always enjoyed his work.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 16, 2021 08:52 PM (R/m4+)

100 After 22 episodes, the continuing fictional characters got a little soap opera-y

-
Not entirely fictional. In Caesar's Commentaries On the War In Gaul, he mentions two soldiers of those names who distinguished themselves. Of course, only the names were borrowed. Their adventures were entirely fictional.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at January 16, 2021 08:54 PM (VVEnO)

101 But at least they're going to fight the NORKs.
Posted by: torabora at January 16, 2021 08:47 PM (PVSan)
---------
Anyone who's trained with the ROKs would tell you otherwise.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 16, 2021 08:49 PM (kTF2Z)

No one should hope for a war against North Korea. The people are victims to madmen, and they'll be the ones who suffer the most, if war comes.

If anything, a sane would should figure out how to liberate them, with as little bloodshed as possible. Too bad we don't live in a sane world.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2021 08:54 PM (C7zIl)

102 Also, don't need t be shocked. Watched Bone Tomahawk because a) I like westerns and 2) I like Kurt Russell. The "scene" was totally gratuitous.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 16, 2021 08:55 PM (kTF2Z)

103 97 jmel

The young actress who played Cleo was rather fetching! Of course, I doubt that a homely actress has ever been cast in that part..

Posted by: mnw at January 16, 2021 08:55 PM (Cssks)

104 I have always like foreign films even if it's sub titles, TCM plays them a lot early mornings and sometimes get to see at least part if not the end.

Posted by: Skip at January 16, 2021 08:56 PM (Cxk7w)

105 Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at January 16, 2021 08:49 PM (lgiXo)

Two of my favorite 'Westerns' are Australian.

Quigley down Under and Man From Snowy River
Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 16, 2021 08:52 PM (2DOZq)

They're great

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at January 16, 2021 08:56 PM (lgiXo)

106 103
Agreed. Gal Gadot is supposed to play Cleopatra in a movie coming out soon.

Posted by: jmel at January 16, 2021 08:57 PM (bVhJi)

107 So I thing I see the monster nostrils just barely breaking the surface near that stump.

Posted by: Eromero at January 16, 2021 08:57 PM (em79L)

108 Just saw an ad for a movie that said "Tom Hanks is magnificent." That don't sound right.

Posted by: Caliban at January 16, 2021 08:58 PM (HgGBT)

109 So I thing I see the monster nostrils just barely breaking the surface near that stump.

Posted by: Eromero at January 16, 2021 08:57 PM


Objection! I was nowhere near the stump

Posted by: Henry Waxman at January 16, 2021 08:59 PM (1V3ga)

110 I've been enjoying my free use of Pluto. I've rewatched wonderful classics such as The African Queen and Father Goose, and seen an older but good version of Romeo and Juliet and the very odd Cube trilogy from Canada.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at January 16, 2021 09:00 PM (TqblR)

111 ||That's a lot of hands!

And I had a couple spares in my back pockets!

Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 09:00 PM (dhFCT)

112 It appears there are 3 people viewing this thread tonight. But we are very cultured!

Posted by: Caliban at January 16, 2021 09:01 PM (HgGBT)

113 I've tried to watch foreign films, but can never understand them. It's like they have a different word for everything.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 16, 2021 09:01 PM (kTF2Z)

114 Movie violence never bothers me. Look at the artwork on the DVD box-- it will give you a clue what you can expect. I tell people who say a film was "too violent" or "gory"... so go watch 101 Dalmatians.

Posted by: mnw at January 16, 2021 09:01 PM (Cssks)

115 Brawl in Cell Block 99 > Bond Tomahawk

Also much more violent. Loved it.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 16, 2021 09:02 PM (2DOZq)

116 South Korea? The vlogs I follow love cats. They don't eat them. The shops all feed the street cats. One woman living in the country feeds the outside cats. They refer to themselves as "cat butlers". And they have interesting cat treats that we don't have here. There are a couple with pet dogs but small dogs.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at January 16, 2021 09:04 PM (YynYJ)

117 I've been enjoying my free use of Pluto....
Posted by: katya the designated driver at January 16, 2021 09:00 PM (TqblR)

You watch it on computer/laptop ?

Posted by: runner at January 16, 2021 09:04 PM (zr5Kq)

118 So did anything happen in the state capitals today?
Weren't we told to hide under the bed paralyzed in fear?

Posted by: That guy at January 16, 2021 09:04 PM (jYQlA)

119 OK I watched High Noon for the first time ever.

Why did Gary Cooper go after the 4 killers with a revolver when he had all those beautiful Winchester rifles in the rack on the wall?

Posted by: clutch at January 16, 2021 09:04 PM (9UmRs)

120 112 It appears there are 3 people viewing this thread tonight. But we are very cultured!
Posted by: Caliban

am lurking

Posted by: Herr Frau Doktor vmom Staunch Demofaszi (on gab as @vm) at January 16, 2021 09:04 PM (nUhF0)

121 ||How can u talk about Korean flicks & NOT mention the only one ever to win the Oscar for best picture?

Me? I didn't like it, altho the first half was darkly funny.||

Pretty sure I covered Parasite at the HQ. Here's my site ('cause I can never find my old stuff here):

https://moviegique.com/2019/12/parasite/

But "Parasite"--much like these movies actually--are in the arty/indie genre, and the most fun Korean movies are the pop ones. I would recommend "Along With Gods", e.g., before "Parasite" to most people.

Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 09:04 PM (dhFCT)

122 Hey, was the "older" version of Romeo and Juliet you saw the Zeffirelli version? If so, I love it. First time I subjected my yougest duaghter to it, we got to the end and she said, "Oh, no. Don't tell me they're both going to die."

Posted by: Caliban at January 16, 2021 09:05 PM (HgGBT)

123 119 OK I watched High Noon for the first time ever.

Why did Gary Cooper go after the 4 killers with a revolver when he had all those beautiful Winchester rifles in the rack on the wall?
Posted by: clutch at January 16, 2021 09:04 PM (9UmRs)

I NEVER liked that movie. Everyone, except the Mexican lady, is stupid.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 16, 2021 09:05 PM (V2Yro)

124 My taste for gore and horror is diminishing in my old age. I still love a good horror movie but when the gore gets gratuitous (meaning no reason for it except to gross you out) or the movie takes a turn into torture porn, I'll change the channel. Also I can't stomach movies with evil children, be they demons or sociopaths.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at January 16, 2021 09:05 PM (TqblR)

125 Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at January 16, 2021 09:04 PM (YynYJ)

There are small boutique hotels in Japan that lets you pick a cat to adopt for your stay .

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 16, 2021 09:06 PM (2DOZq)

126 120 112 It appears there are 3 people viewing this thread tonight. But we are very cultured!
Posted by: Caliban

I have never watched any Korean movies, so I have little to say on the topic. Perhaps I should see some.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 16, 2021 09:06 PM (V2Yro)

127 Caliban, yes, I believe it was.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at January 16, 2021 09:07 PM (TqblR)

128 I didn't like Parasite either - felt too beat you on the head

Posted by: Herr Frau Doktor vmom Staunch Demofaszi (on gab as @vm) at January 16, 2021 09:07 PM (nUhF0)

129 I've been enjoying my free use of Pluto....
Posted by: katya the designated driver at January 16, 2021 09:00 PM (TqblR)

You watch it on computer/laptop ?



Roku tv.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at January 16, 2021 09:08 PM (TqblR)

130 anyway, I recommend this series - the title is Rocco Schiavone: Ice Cold Murders

Posted by: Herr Frau Doktor vmom Staunch Demofaszi (on gab as @vm) at January 16, 2021 09:08 PM (nUhF0)

131 Thank you for the thread. I also liked 3Iron. Pretty interesting. Now to read the comments.

I am about to watch Blazing Saddles, on DVD. Maybe for the first time seeing it. I can not believe I have not seen it, but then I think I would remember if I saw it.

Watched a not great Vietnamese movie, Lost in Saigon. Poor subtitle translations. But pretty Viet women, running around scantily clad.

Talking about Asians in cinema, some time ago I watched a 2018 movie: Searching. Here is the synopsis. I thought it was pretty interesting: After David Kim (John Cho)'s 16-year-old daughter goes missing, a local investigation is opened and a detective is assigned to the case. But 37 hours later and without a single lead, David decides to search the one place no one has looked yet, where all secrets are kept today: his daughter's laptop.

Posted by: MikeM at January 16, 2021 09:08 PM (dMoB0)

132 ||Why did Gary Cooper go after the 4 killers with a revolver when he had all those beautiful Winchester rifles in the rack on the wall?||

Funny. I'm taking The Flower (my #3 child) through the classic westerns. She loves Jimmy Stewart and now Gary Cooper, so we watched "High Noon".

And for me, I'm always thinking, "Leave town! These guys are losers!"

But I guess he can't really, because the four of them will catch up to him (and Grace) on the open prairie, at which point they're screwed.

Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 09:08 PM (dhFCT)

133 Yes, Parasite was covered.

Posted by: runner at January 16, 2021 09:09 PM (zr5Kq)

134 It appears there are 3 people viewing this thread tonight. But we are very cultured!
Posted by: Caliban

I make 4.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at January 16, 2021 09:09 PM (lgiXo)

135 Yeah there's a Japanese vlog with four Scottish folds. The guy gets these elaborate cat toys that he gives to the cats and films.

I did notice a certain fondness for Ann of Green Gables there. Sometimes I'll see bits of Korean movies and tv, but have no idea what they are watching. I should try watching a few of their movies.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at January 16, 2021 09:09 PM (YynYJ)

136 Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 09:08 PM (dhFCT)

High Noon is on my list of overrated movies.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 16, 2021 09:11 PM (2DOZq)

137 watched The Silencing on amafazizone
Posted by: Herr Frau
I watched this movie this week too. Pretty interesting. I guess they went to Nicholas and told him, think Silence of the lambs but some other quirkiness etc. It was okay. If you have not seen Headhunters, it is excellent, and Nicholas is very good in Headhunters.

Posted by: MikeM at January 16, 2021 09:11 PM (dMoB0)

138 odd film called Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter...and Spring actually turned up on some local (not even art-house) screens, and we decided to go see it.

You do have me interested in this, never seen a Korean film. Where is it available on the net, anywhere for free? LOL

Posted by: Farmer at January 16, 2021 09:11 PM (K7/OQ)

139 127 Caliban, yes, I believe it was.
Posted by: katya the designated driver at January 16, 2021 09:07 PM (TqblR)

The whole Mercutio thing in that version is amazing. And of course the incredible set piece when they first meet, and that song! Also Zeffirelli gets what the play is actually about, which is not the love-crazed thirteen-year-olds, but the chaos in the city caused by the clan rivalry. The prince's passionate denouncement at the end is the key. Makes it very much a movie and a play for our time.

Posted by: Caliban at January 16, 2021 09:11 PM (HgGBT)

140 If you have not seen Headhunters, it is excellent, and Nicholas is very good in Headhunters.
Posted by: MikeM

that is good

Posted by: Herr Frau Doktor vmom Staunch Demofaszi (on gab as @vm) at January 16, 2021 09:12 PM (nUhF0)

141 Not the worst living arrangements I've ever seen.
---
until, of course, you contemplate the hordes of mosquitos that would swarm the house a good portion of the year.

hard pass for me.

Posted by: redc1c4 (Biden Cheated!) at January 16, 2021 09:13 PM (aB+qI)

142 I loved that Zefferelli version when it came out. Saw it multiple times.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at January 16, 2021 09:14 PM (YynYJ)

143 I have never watched any Korean movies, so I have little to say on the topic. Perhaps I should see some.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 16, 2021 09:06 PM (V2Yro)

-------

The Best of The Best has Koreans in it.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 16, 2021 09:14 PM (kTF2Z)

144 Isn't 'High Noon' supposedly about McCarthyism?

Posted by: davidt at January 16, 2021 09:14 PM (l3+k2)

145 ||High Noon is on my list of overrated movies.||

I also think it's over-rated, and I think that's because the screenwriter was a commie back when there were some small barriers to being a commie. So he's a folk hero, and Gary Cooper is him trying to, I dunno, fight the evil anti-commuinists...blah...blah...blah

That said, just as a movie, it's got some very good elements to it. The use of time, for example. The runtime of the movie is pretty closed to the elapsed time of the narrative. When the train whistle blows at noon, you really feel like the S is gonna HITF.

Not sure Grace Kelly's Quaker wedding dress was on point, tho'.

Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 09:14 PM (dhFCT)

146 I guess I'm fifth.
Watched "Marjorie Prime" on Amazon (no relation to the sales agreement). Interesting AI story set in the near future. Kinda slow but it's thought provoking and enjoyable nonetheless. Free with Prime. https://tinyurl.com/yyyswx7v

Posted by: chris-cross-apple-sauce at January 16, 2021 09:14 PM (ODHkI)

147 Gary Cooper should have posted a sign warning to the 4 bad guys to wear a mask and practice social distancing.

Posted by: dantesed at January 16, 2021 09:15 PM (88xKn)

148 Dragged Across Concrete >/= Brawl in Cell Block 99 > Bond Tomahawk

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at January 16, 2021 09:15 PM (Dc2NZ)

149 ||You do have me interested in this, never seen a Korean film. Where is it available on the net, anywhere for free? LOL||

I believe both films are currently free on Amazon Prime.

I'm getting all my Prime viewing in before I let my membership lapse. Because I'm not giving Amazon another cent if I can help it.

Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 09:16 PM (dhFCT)

150 Any Downton Abbey fans here? Hubby and I have watched it for about the 5th time. I never get tired of it. Good plot, good characters, good acting, beautiful sets and costumes, and Maggie Smith can carry a scene all by herself. I'm going to print up a list of her advice and one-liners.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at January 16, 2021 09:16 PM (TqblR)

151 Speaking of surreal Nic Cage movies, I need to re-watch Bringing Out the Dead one of these days.

Posted by: davidt at January 16, 2021 09:17 PM (l3+k2)

152 To be honest High Plains Drifter was a better version of High Noon.

Posted by: clutch at January 16, 2021 09:17 PM (9UmRs)

153 Hey, was the "older" version of Romeo and Juliet you saw the Zeffirelli version? If so, I love it. First time I subjected my yougest duaghter to it, we got to the end and she said, "Oh, no. Don't tell me they're both going to die."
Posted by: Caliban

I watched Sergei Prokofiev's ballet of Romeo and Juliet on PBS and it was quite good. It was filmed on a realistic set, I assume some Italian villa. Dogs and chickens are wandering about among the dancers and it creates sort of a magical realism feel.

And, Caliban, I watched Ades' opera The Tempest. The music is too modern for my taste but the overture in which Ariel whips up the aforementioned tempest to cause a ship filled with Prospero's enemy to shipwreck is amazing. I
don't know exactly how they did it but they created a realistic shipwreck on stage with nothing but blue fabric.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at January 16, 2021 09:17 PM (VVEnO)

154 119 OK I watched High Noon for the first time ever.

Why did Gary Cooper go after the 4 killers with a revolver when he had all those beautiful Winchester rifles in the rack on the wall?
Posted by: clutch at January 16, 2021 09:04 PM (9UmRs)
==
Like I said a couple of days ago, every thread at AoS eventually turns into a gun thread.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 16, 2021 09:17 PM (sy5kK)

155 "Ryan's Daughter" has come up again in the movie thread. I watch this movie every time it comes on TCM. I. Don't. Know. Why. Maybe I just appreciate the effort or something. I want to like it. It's a beautifully shot movie. The cinematography is amazing. The plot was...not good. The characters were meh. Sarah Miles was weirdly hot. Probably because she got nekid in most of her films so maybe I'm grading on a curve. Anyway, I wouldn't recommend "Ryan's Daughter". And yes, I'll still watch it again when it shows up on TCM.

Posted by: Puddleglum at January 16, 2021 09:17 PM (+gUAb)

156 Love "High Noon," and maybe my favorite tidbit is that GC had a bad case of hemmorhoids at the time, which accounts for the heroic grimace he had throughout the movie. Funny, even if apocryphal.

Posted by: Caliban at January 16, 2021 09:18 PM (HgGBT)

157 "Why did Gary Cooper go after the 4 killers with a revolver when he had
all those beautiful Winchester rifles in the rack on the wall?"

Ammo shortage?

Posted by: davidt at January 16, 2021 09:19 PM (l3+k2)

158 High Noon is on my list of overrated movies.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks

I worked with Stanley Kramer, still have the bottle of Champaign he gave us for Christmas. (it was TV, not the movies)

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at January 16, 2021 09:20 PM (r1z5A)

159 Speaking of surreal Nic Cage movies
Posted by: davidt
Watched Color out of space last week. It was okay. Pretty surreal for Nic Cage

Posted by: MikeM at January 16, 2021 09:20 PM (dMoB0)

160
OK I watched High Noon for the first time ever.
Posted by: clutch

I NEVER liked that movie. Everyone, except the Mexican lady, is stupid.
Posted by: Tom Servo


Always liked Katy.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 16, 2021 09:20 PM (63Dwl)

161 And, Caliban, I watched Ades' opera The Tempest. The music is too modern for my taste but the overture in which Ariel whips up the aforementioned tempest to cause a ship filled with Prospero's enemy to shipwreck is amazing.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at January 16, 2021 09:17 PM (VVEnO)

Interesting! Gotta see it. My nic might be a clue...

Posted by: Caliban at January 16, 2021 09:21 PM (HgGBT)

162 Like I said a couple of days ago, every thread at AoS eventually turns into a gun thread.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at January 16, 2021 09:17 PM (sy5kK)

I did not intend to make it a gun thread, just noting the illogicality of it.

And it wasn't an ammo shortage, the rifles and pistols probably both shot the same caliber.

Posted by: clutch at January 16, 2021 09:22 PM (9UmRs)

163 Italian humor is funny

Posted by: Herr Frau Doktor vmom Staunch Demofaszi (on gab as @vm) at January 16, 2021 09:23 PM (nUhF0)

164 But moviegique, you're right, it used the concept of time very well.
I did not expect Grace Kelly to shoot one of those guys.

Posted by: clutch at January 16, 2021 09:23 PM (9UmRs)

165 Sorry, guys! I didn't mean to be fishing for compliments. Just sometimes the first few comments are "I'm not going to watch this," "This is so bad, I'm leaving the site," etc. and I think, "Well, hell, I should have done something else...." but that's a crapshoot, too.

I appreciate the kind words.

Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 08:40 PM (dhFCT)


I don't comment on most threads. Their lifespan is usually only 1-2 hours excepting ONTs and a few others. But I do read most of the content eventually.

I've never seen 80% of the movies you review. I probably will never see them. But that is no reflection on you. You write well and intelligently.

Those flouncers just want to inflict a bit of pain on you, and for no good reason at all. Sigh.

Don't let them get you down, brah.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 16, 2021 09:24 PM (F0YaR)

166 Uncontained triphibian anomalies were a vexing point for foreign aid in the Pacific post-war years.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 16, 2021 09:24 PM (vuisn)

167
And it wasn't an ammo shortage, the rifles and pistols probably both shot the same caliber.

Posted by: clutch

32.20 Have Great Grandpas pistol, no rifle.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at January 16, 2021 09:25 PM (r1z5A)

168 And, Caliban, I watched Ades' opera The Tempest. The music is too modern for my taste but the overture in which Ariel whips up the aforementioned tempest to cause a ship filled with Prospero's enemy to shipwreck is amazing.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at January 16, 2021 09:17 PM (VVEnO)
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I saw that in the theater! Audrey Luna was great. Weird, but I enjoyed it.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at January 16, 2021 09:25 PM (Dc2NZ)

169 I worked with Stanley Kramer, still have the bottle of Champaign he gave us for Christmas. (it was TV, not the movies)
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at January 16, 2021 09:20 PM (r1z5A)

Caine Mutiny is one of my favorites but the Ferrer speech at the end is pure Kramer that I totally disagreed with. I know a number of people here have previously had the opposite opinion.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 16, 2021 09:26 PM (2DOZq)

170 A good Korean movie to start with is Sung Does Seoul.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at January 16, 2021 09:26 PM (VVEnO)

171 Fred McMurray's character in Caine Mutiny was a weasel. And not a nice weasel.-a otter eating strawberrys from a one-gallon can.

Posted by: Eromero at January 16, 2021 09:28 PM (em79L)

172
Uncontained triphibian anomalies were a vexing point for foreign aid in the Pacific post-war years.
Posted by: Dr. Varno


That's easy for you to say!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 16, 2021 09:29 PM (63Dwl)

173 Caine Mutiny is one of my favorites but the Ferrer speech at the end is pure Kramer that I totally disagreed with. I know a number of people here have previously had the opposite opinion.
Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 16, 2021 09:26 PM (2DOZq)
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It felt phony. It screams "This movie made with the full cooperation of the United States Navy!"

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at January 16, 2021 09:29 PM (Dc2NZ)

174 Fred McMurray's character in Caine Mutiny was a weasel. And not a nice weasel.-a otter eating strawberrys from a one-gallon can.
Posted by: Eromero

I could see Mitt Romney in that role.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at January 16, 2021 09:29 PM (VVEnO)

175 Don't let them get you down, brah.
Posted by: GnuBreed
Agreed.

I really appreciate hearing about somewhat obscure movies. Noir is my favorite, but I think I have seen most. Foreign films are really interesting. I have seen some really good french and asian movies. Keep going!

Posted by: MikeM at January 16, 2021 09:29 PM (dMoB0)

176 I want to see Nic Cage in "The Cocaine Mutiny".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at January 16, 2021 09:30 PM (Dc2NZ)

177 "Uncontained triphibian anomalies were a vexing point for foreign aid in the Pacific post-war years."

Definitely aliens.

Posted by: f'd at January 16, 2021 09:30 PM (ty+Vy)

178 Has anyone watched Memories of Murder?

Looked interesting from trailer.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at January 16, 2021 09:31 PM (H5knJ)

179 Seoul Man

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 16, 2021 09:31 PM (63Dwl)

180 >>Caine Mutiny is one of my favorites but the Ferrer speech at the end is pure Kramer that I totally disagreed with. I know a number of people here have previously had the opposite opinion.

I've seen both sides of the speech argued and still have trouble picking a side -- sign of a compelling speech.

Full disclosure: I once pulled a Barney Greenwald Drink Throw at a public funeral years ago. Not proud, but not ashamed either.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 16, 2021 09:31 PM (vuisn)

181 110 Anon

I only noticed one historical faux pas in "Rome" (the miniseries), & it was pretty minor. Caesarion looked to be about 8 or 9 years old in the final episode. At the time of Antony & Cleo's deaths, he would've been around 15.

I spot-checked a lot of stuff in the miniseries, & it usually checked out. Where the historical record is entirely absent, or unclear, the story editors filled it in to their own liking, but that's fine by me.

Posted by: mnw at January 16, 2021 09:32 PM (Cssks)

182 I guess I need to catch up on the thread.
I saw "Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter...and Spring" I remember thinking it was profound, Not enjoyable exactly, but consistently interesting.


Jerzy's "Painted Bird"? Didn't know they made a movie of it. What a brutal novel.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at January 16, 2021 08:17 PM (Dc2NZ)


Poor ole Jerzy Kosinski. He experienced cancel culture before there was a cancel culture.
He should've been considered one of the greatest novelists of the 20th Century.
Plus, his books would've made excellent if difficult movies.
"Being There" was a brilliant comedy both on the page and on the screen.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 16, 2021 09:32 PM (dWwl8)

183 Caine Mutiny is one of my favorites but the Ferrer
speech at the end is pure Kramer that I totally disagreed with. I know a
number of people here have previously had the opposite opinion.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks

As some wag wrote upon his death: "If Stanley Kramer had not been born, he would have been invented." He was truly the proto typical 50's/60's liberal...He DID have some incredible insights to Hwood, and he wasn't a dick to work with.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at January 16, 2021 09:32 PM (r1z5A)

184 Those strawberries were tasty.

Posted by: Mess Boy at January 16, 2021 09:32 PM (l3+k2)

185 Sung Does Seoul.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks,

hmm, I wonder if we should google that...

Posted by: Herr Frau Doktor vmom Staunch Demofaszi (on gab as @vm) at January 16, 2021 09:33 PM (nUhF0)

186 Anonosaurus, for the first time in months, I haven't thought of Mitt all day. Thanks for reminding me that such a louse of a human still walks free and rich.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at January 16, 2021 09:33 PM (TqblR)

187 I've seen both sides of the speech argued and still have trouble picking a side -- sign of a compelling speech.



Full disclosure: I once pulled a Barney Greenwald Drink Throw at a public funeral years ago. Not proud, but not ashamed either.

Posted by: Dr. Varno


Fred MacMurray really could play assholes and nice guys.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at January 16, 2021 09:35 PM (r1z5A)

188 3-Iron is also on Rokou, Tubi and Pluto for free.

Spring is on Tubi and Pluto for free.

Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 09:35 PM (dhFCT)

189 Fred MacMurray was the template for the original Captain Marvel.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 16, 2021 09:36 PM (vuisn)

190 Fred MacMurray was the template for the original Captain Marvel.

Posted by: Dr. Varno


Tell me more.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at January 16, 2021 09:37 PM (r1z5A)

191 Fred McMurray's character in Caine Mutiny was a weasel. And not a nice weasel.-a otter eating strawberrys from a one-gallon can.
Posted by: Eromero

No doubt whatsoever. Van Johnson on the other hand was exemplary. Having an attorney who wasn't there scolding a man who was in the thick of it and did nothing wrong in my opinion reminds me of the Left today.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 16, 2021 09:37 PM (2DOZq)

192 189 Fred MacMurray was the template for the original Captain Marvel.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 16, 2021 09:36 PM (vuisn)

In "The Apartment"?

Posted by: Caliban at January 16, 2021 09:37 PM (HgGBT)

193 Here's Nic Cage's next flick-

Looks like a lot of fun.

"Willie's Wonderland"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v27rfaoB2Y

Posted by: naturalfake at January 16, 2021 09:39 PM (dWwl8)

194 Thanks Moviegique for another great review, and to all the movie recommendations from the Horde. I have filled up my torrent list again!

Posted by: jayhawkone at January 16, 2021 09:39 PM (SkTWN)

195 ||178 Has anyone watched Memories of Murder?||

If you mean the 2003 Korean film, I have not, but I've seen about half-a-dozen modern "homages" to it, including a Belgian film and a Liam Neeson movie. It must be something.

Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 09:40 PM (dhFCT)

196 >>In "The Apartment"?

"The Egg and I"

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 16, 2021 09:40 PM (vuisn)

197 Look what YouTube recommended for me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG9o9m0LsbI

Remember when they separated the boys and girls in fourth grade, and you each saw a movie? I remember seeing this one and we all squealed "Disney!?".

From the comments: "Don't let 2019 Disney see this. They'll do a live action version with Will Smith and Hugh Jackman."

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at January 16, 2021 09:41 PM (Dc2NZ)

198 Here's Nic Cage's next flick-



Posted by: naturalfake


"Get the IRS off my ass!"

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at January 16, 2021 09:41 PM (r1z5A)

199 High Noon:

I don't give a ratz adz about the supposed political message, or the political views of the film makers. That's a LOUSY way to approach ANY film!

It's only about what's up there on the screen. Nothing else matters.

High Noon is a masterpiece of American cinema, imo. Personally, I MIGHT apply the word "masterpiece" to a total of maybe 5 films.

Posted by: mnw at January 16, 2021 09:41 PM (Cssks)

200 Thanks, Gnu, Mike, jay and everyone who contributed to the thread!

Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 09:42 PM (dhFCT)

201 Has anyone watched Memories of Murder?||

I've seen it, but it's not what you think it will be.

Criterion is coming out with it in a couple of months.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 16, 2021 09:42 PM (dWwl8)

202 "The Egg and I"
Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 16, 2021 09:40 PM (vuisn)

"The Absent-Minded Professor."

Flubber!

Posted by: Caliban at January 16, 2021 09:42 PM (HgGBT)

203 Posted by: mnw at January 16, 2021 09:41 PM (Cssks)

I didn't apply anything political to it. It just sucked.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 16, 2021 09:42 PM (2DOZq)

204
"The Egg and I"

Posted by: Dr. Varno

Based on McDonalds life on the beautiful Olympic Peninsula. heh.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at January 16, 2021 09:43 PM (r1z5A)

205 I only noticed one historical faux pas in "Rome"

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As mentioned above, I also liked the opening credits. All that stuff, whether actually true or not, was a part of the Romans' mythos.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at January 16, 2021 09:43 PM (VVEnO)

206 I didn't apply anything political to it. It just sucked.


I forgot to add 'only IMHO of course'

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 16, 2021 09:45 PM (2DOZq)

207 Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 09:42 PM (dhFC

My thanks to you as well.

Posted by: Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me at January 16, 2021 09:46 PM (2DOZq)

208 Posted by: mnw at January 16, 2021 09:41 PM (Cssks)

Ok, why didn't he use one of the rifles he had on the wall? No comparison in terms of accuracy at distance between a rifle and a pistol.

Posted by: clutch at January 16, 2021 09:47 PM (9UmRs)

209 High Noon is a masterpiece of American cinema, imo. Personally, I MIGHT apply the word "masterpiece" to a total of maybe 5 films.

Posted by: mnw at January 16, 2021 09:41 PM (Cssks)


It might be if they didn't sing "Oh, don't forsake me. Oh, my darling!" five million six hundred and thirty eight times.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 16, 2021 09:47 PM (dWwl8)

210 208 clutch

I didn't post anything about that. Some other dude did it.

Posted by: mnw at January 16, 2021 09:49 PM (Cssks)

211 "Machete", where that big Mexican guts a guy and escapes through an upper floor window using the guys intestines as a rope, lol.

Posted by: dartist at January 16, 2021 09:49 PM (+ya+t)

212 ||It might be if they didn't sing "Oh, don't forsake me. Oh, my darling!" five million six hundred and thirty eight times.||

That '50s/'60s formula of "Let's put a pop song in for the kids in our serious western" really takes the air out of a lot of sales.

I thought Dmitri Tiomkin did a pretty good job of weaving the tune through other orchestrations to make it more interesting. But, Lord, I hate Pat Boone in "Friendly Persuasion". Can't remember how the "True Grit"/Glenn Campbell one hits me, but I don't think it's positive.

Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 09:51 PM (dhFCT)

213 the best Tom Hanks movie is "Volunteers."

Posted by: Dr. Vivi-Not my SCOTUS, Not my FBI at January 16, 2021 09:51 PM (USW1s)

214 ||the best Tom Hanks movie is "Volunteers."

"He Knows You're Alone"

Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 09:52 PM (dhFCT)

215 Uncontained triphibian anomalies were a vexing point for foreign aid in the Pacific post-war years.



That's what They want you to think.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 16, 2021 09:53 PM (yQpMk)

216 Tom Hanks, Mazes and Monsters, a cautionary psa about Dungeons and Dragons.

Posted by: davidt at January 16, 2021 09:55 PM (l3+k2)

217 "Do you understan' what I'm sayin' to you, suckah?"

"Well... barely."

Posted by: mnw at January 16, 2021 09:56 PM (Cssks)

218 ||Tom Hanks, Mazes and Monsters, a cautionary psa about Dungeons and Dragons.||

https://tinyurl.com/yyyfox2p

The 1980's film "Mazes and Monsters" is often cited along other materials as evidence of the dangers of pen-and-paper role-playing games; the film is a thinly-veiled fictionalized adaptation of the investigation into the disappearance of James Dallas Egbert III. It encouraged the panic against a growing gaming subculture.

Have any of those involved with the film (question includes, but is not constrained to, the film's star, Tom Hanks) ever apologized for creating material that helped ostracize many?

Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 09:59 PM (dhFCT)

219 I'm sipping on some Peat Monster Arcana right now.

It's quite delightful and more subtle in the peat monsteriness than regular Peat Monster.

I recommend it if you're someone who doesn't hate the peatiness of scotch.

Nicely done, Compass Box.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 16, 2021 10:00 PM (dWwl8)

220 My answer is the selected one at that link:

In short, no. No one has ever apologized for Mazes and Monsters.

Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 10:00 PM (dhFCT)

221 Did someone mention "Yellow Sea" upthread?

it's one of the great unknown Korean movies.

Check it out if you have the chance.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 16, 2021 10:02 PM (dWwl8)

Posted by: davidt at January 16, 2021 10:06 PM (l3+k2)

223 I'm watching "The Wind Rises" right now.

Stuffed to the gills with Miyazaki brilliance, and yet almost impossible for an American with some knowledge of history to enjoy as it's about the development of the Japanese Zero, which killed so many Americans in WWII.

That might be an interesting movie thread moviegique.

Movies which history has referred unpalatable,

Posted by: naturalfake at January 16, 2021 10:06 PM (dWwl8)

224 Ugh.

referred = rendered

Posted by: naturalfake at January 16, 2021 10:07 PM (dWwl8)

225 I'm allllll alone.

Fine.

I declare this thread dead.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 16, 2021 10:08 PM (dWwl8)

226 naturalfake--

I like the Wind Rises, but YEAH IT IS WEIRD ROOTING FOR THE GUY WHO BUILT THE ZERO.

It's fairly elided in the story, and the guy doesn't WANT to build killer airplanes, but it's very uncomfortable.

It'd be like "Oh, this brilliant German engineer developed the Panzer! Yay!"

Or, could you imagine a heroic tale of the Manhattan Project in Japan? Heh.

Posted by: moviegique at January 16, 2021 10:42 PM (dhFCT)

227 Hi all. This is my refuge, and favorite place to lurk. I really enjoy the ONT!

Posted by: COMountainMarie at January 16, 2021 11:36 PM (pEmWl)

228
I'd use a niblick more oomph.

Posted by: Saf at January 17, 2021 08:04 AM (5IHGB)

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