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Gun Thread: Breathing Technique Edition! [Weasel]

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Helpful Breathing Technique Graphic

Howdy, y'all, and Happy belated Thanksgiving! I hope you were able to celebrate in the best way possible for you and find at least a few things to be thankful for. I made a quick run down to the farm to check on things this week, and everything was good, but it ended up being a quick down and back trip and I didn't have time to shoot any video.

So with that, grab a leftover drumstick and let's see what we have below, shall we?

Breathing Technique
We have recently had a number of questions and discussions in the comments on the topic of breathing while shooting. Breathing is something we tend to take for granted because we've been breathing without thinking much about it since we were born. However, it's an important part of shooting and there are right ways and wrong ways of doing it.

Correct breathing technique applies to all types of shooting. My match shooting was in a style called F-Class, where high powered rifles with optics are fired from the prone position at long distances. In this style rifles are supported by a front rest or bi-pod and a rear bag, which steadies the weapon and takes a lot of the work off the shooter compared to other disciplines, where the weapon is held in the hands or by the use of a sling, and fired while sitting or standing. That being said, anytime a part of your body is in contact with the gun, your breathing can and will affect your aim.

The Wrong Way
Pretty much any way other than The Right Way discussed below, especially if it involves holding your breath at any point in the inhale and exhale cycle.

The Right Way a.k.a.The WeaselWay
I am going to discuss what I do when shooting rifles from a supported position, however, the concept is the same for all styles of shooting. Please note in this discussion we're talking about shooting on a range at a fixed target, and without anyone shooting back. I haven't been in combat and can only surmise it raises your anxiety level a bit which is going to affect your breathing and aim. The same rules apply though, even on a battlefield, for a well executed shot.

Why is it important? Well your heart and lungs and circulation are all connected, and if you're huffing and puffing and holding your breath, then you're moving all over the place. It also allows you to go to your happy place and be relaxed as you shoot rather than tensing up your muscles, which is not bueno.

First let's talk a little about setup. You need to take care of all the little chores in setting up your gear before you settle in behind the rifle. I like to do things exactly the same way each and every time I shoot so it all becomes habit. You aren't doing your calm Zen state any good by freaking out and forgetting stuff and having to get up and down half a dozen times. When you settle in behind the rifle, you should be 100% ready to start shooting without distraction.

Reading wind is a big part of my match routine, so I will give it a brief mention now. My long range setup includes a spotting scope with the eyepiece about six inches left of the riflescope. In this configuration, I can go back and forth between the rifle and spotting scopes as I evaluate wind conditions by simply tilting my head. Once I have made the wind call on the spotting scope and decide to shoot, I go back on the rifle and settle in. Inside 150 yards or so, wind is generally not a big factor, so I mention it only as part of my process.

OK. So now you're on the rifle with a proper cheek weld on the stock and eye relief behind the scope. A normal, measured inhale or exhale for me takes between 2 and 3 seconds. As soon as I get setup, I start breathing at this rate; call it 2.5 seconds to inhale, then 2.5 seconds to exhale. I have done this so many times and for so long while shooting it's second nature for me now, and it just happens automatically. The important part is to find your own relaxed and consistent, measured inhale/exhale cycle. In and out without pausing at the top or bottom of the cycle. Figure out your own resting respiration rate, and go for that. Practice breathing at that rate and mentally review the mechanics of taking the shot with each cycle. Seriously practice this, and eventually you will find you are able to get into a relaxed state very quickly, and you begin to no longer notice peripheral distractions.

I will usually take one or two breaths in this fashion to settle in and get into my little shooting 'zone' where I am relaxed and allow my heart rate to settle some while beginning to focus on acquiring the target. As I begin the next breath, I am making my final target alignment. As I start to exhale, I begin taking the slack out of the trigger with the goal of being right at the trigger break point when I'm at the mid-point of the exhale. I continue to refine my aim point and break the shot at the bottom of the exhale. BANG!

That's it.

So for me, call it three consistent and measured breaths total. First two are settling in, and the third is executing the shot; target aim refinement on the inhale, then take out trigger slack at about the midpoint, and finally breaking the shot at the bottom of the exhale. Continue breathing normally. You can apply this to any style of shooting, but do not hold your breath ever. The minute you do all sorts of counter-productive physiological stuff begins to happen, none of which is good for your aim.

If you aren't doing this, or something like it already, then give it a try. Practice this 3 breath routine at home and mentally focus on the mechanics of breaking the shot during the third cycle. Then take it to the range and put it to use. Three breaths isn't a magic number, either. Maybe you need five, or sixteen, or two, or whatever number makes you happy. Just focus on relaxing, consistent steady breathing, and the timing of the mechanics during the last breath when the shot is taken.

QUIZ:
Q: Do we hold our breath when shooting?
A: No. No, we do not hold our breath when shooting.

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First up, our pal rickb223 mentioned this helpful handgun diagnostic target last week in the comments, and then sent it in. Thanks rickb223!

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Have any of you used one of these and has it helped?

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Next we have a couple of goodies from our pal Neon Madman

Came across this old box of .22 lately. 80 cents a box sounds pretty good for .22, especially since my local range is currently selling bags of 50 .22 Long Rifle for $5.97, but you also have to remember that 80 cents was a lot more money 40 or 50 years ago, back when you could buy rifle cartridges in a paint and hardware store.

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This is a group of Stevens rifle cartridges that were introduced from around 1895 - 1907, compared to the common .22 Long Rifle round. They are (left to right): .22-15-60, .25-21, .25-25 and .28-30-120.

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By the way, this form of cartridge designation (by no means universal) indicates: caliber - power charge in grains - (optionally) bullet weight in grains.

Someone at Stevens seems to have had a thing for designing long, thin cartridges. In general, if you wanted more "oomph" from a cartridge, you needed more powder (to use the technical terms). Bottlenecked cartridges existed at the time, but there was apparently some resistance to them on the part of shooters. That meant the only way to get more powder in the case was to make the case longer. The drawback is that such long cartridges didn't work well in much of anything other than a single-shot action. The reference book "Cartridges Of The World" (fascinating book, if you don't have a copy you should get one) mentions in general that these were accurate rounds, but because of the small caliber and the fact that they were loaded with black powder bore fouling could be a problem. They have been obsolete, of course, for many years.

I've had this second picture for a while and don't recall using it before. Very, Very cool. Thanks Neon Madman!

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Next we have a great looking rifle and 100 yd target from our pal Wyoming Lurker:

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I’ve built an AR in 6.5 Grendel. Notice the manufacturer on the lower. Lol. Seems Creedmore has taken over the 6.5 party. People younger than us don’t know about 6.5 Swede. Anywho, here is my build, and 100 yard group.

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Nice shooting and nice rifle, Wyoming Lurker! Thanks for sending this in. Did that start as an 80% lower? How about you other 6.5mm guys and gals... what're you shooting?

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Next, our pal CK has been busy with a project or two!

Well, the never ending lockdowns made me realize that I need a new project. Hello 6mm ARC. My first AR was a DPMS Oracle, the only one that I didn't build, so I've decided that it will become a 6mm ARC. I just ordered a 20" Faxon barrel from Brownells. I have an extra rifle length A2 style handguard so I think I'll use the goofy Oracle gas block and make it a retro looking 6mm ARC. I'll put a FDE A2 stock and grip on it and paint the handguard FDE. A retro, saddle shoe 6mm ARC.

Things are coming along nicely with the new ARC . Scope, mags and Hornady Black ammo arrive this week and the 20" Faxon barrel and a bunch or 105gn 243's are on backorder. I love a good project. Once I started painting my little 762x39 got in the way too!!

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Nice job, CK!

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Yay! Another video on the .223 and 5.56mm calibers! Seriously, this is a very good look at the differences in the two cartridges and interoperability. Well worth 12 minutes of your time!

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Link-O-Rama

I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
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Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA

***Mail Bag***

This week we have a great entry from our pal JT.

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I love the smell of Hoppe's! Thanks amigo!

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Please note the new and improved gmail account morongunthread at gmail dot com. An informal Gun Thread archive can be found HERE. If you have a question you would like to ask Gun Thread Staff offline, just send us a note and we'll do our best to answer. If you care to share the story of your favorite firearm, send a picture with your nic and tell us what you sadly lost in the tragic canoe accident. If you would like to remain completely anonymous, just say so. Lurkers are always welcome!

That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:00 PM




Comments

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1 FIRST BANG!!!

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at November 29, 2020 07:00 PM (C1NyB)

2 2nd

Posted by: FriscoYoda at November 29, 2020 07:01 PM (+56GQ)

3 Fire when ready

Posted by: Skip at November 29, 2020 07:01 PM (9sWOw)

4 I smell a gun thread!

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at November 29, 2020 07:02 PM (gtatv)

5 pow pow. Gun thread!

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 07:03 PM (UPoLF)

6 Breathing is something we tend to take for granted because we've been
breathing without thinking much about it since we were born.

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Well, right up to the moment we think about it for some reason, like if someone we suggest we think about it, and then we can't help but think about it because we stop if we don't think about it until...SQUIRREL

Or maybe that's just me.

Posted by: Methos at November 29, 2020 07:04 PM (kOpft)

7 You want breathing control? Try biathlon. Watching it now and those people are amazing.

Posted by: DR.WTF at November 29, 2020 07:04 PM (AiZBA)

8 *click*
*foo*

BANG

(flintlocks are a little slower, but they get the job done)

Posted by: Common Tater at November 29, 2020 07:04 PM (s8v1a)

9 Great thread, as per usual, Weasel.

Cheek weld is the part I have trouble with. Once that's dialed in, I'm good to go.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at November 29, 2020 07:04 PM (WEBkv)

10 INHALE
EXHALE
SERENITY NOW!

Posted by: vmom Trump Won! at November 29, 2020 07:05 PM (nUhF0)

11 Somebody asked what cologne I was wearing.

Hoppe's No 9, of course!

Posted by: clutch cargo at November 29, 2020 07:05 PM (8B6Ng)

12 Howdy Gub Folks!

Mighty nice to be here . And those are some seriously skinny cartridges. Now to read more. BRB

McGyver, in exile

Posted by: McGyver at November 29, 2020 07:05 PM (rJ1YP)

13 wall of words !


what was that?

Posted by: will choose a nic later at November 29, 2020 07:05 PM (GIeIM)

14 INHALE
EXHALE
*bang*
SERENITY NOW!
Posted by: vmom Trump Won! at November 29, 2020 07:05 PM (nUhF0)
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Suggested edit.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at November 29, 2020 07:06 PM (WEBkv)

15 All hail Weasel, Bringer of Gun Threads!

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 07:06 PM (nakwk)

16
I hope we do not need to use our guns


dat would be bad

Posted by: will choose a nic later at November 29, 2020 07:06 PM (GIeIM)

17 OT but prayers for Anna Puma please:

526 Okay Hoardlings

This is for real oh shit stuff. I can't 'nyah' my way out of it.

In the hospital. Had a heart attack at work. Doc put a stent in. So that is sorted out.

Have to do an over night stay. Luckily my nurse is a former Navy corpsman so we grok.

Not sure when I will post again. But will try to check back,

Thanks everyone.
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 29, 2020 06:40 PM (oHNFt)

Posted by: vmom Trump Won! at November 29, 2020 07:07 PM (nUhF0)

18 Read the entire content, battery is low so can't watch video yet.
Good stuff as always Weasel.

Posted by: Skip at November 29, 2020 07:07 PM (9sWOw)

19
at what magnification can you see your heartbeat?

I can usually see it around 12x

Posted by: will choose a nic later at November 29, 2020 07:07 PM (GIeIM)

20 Ahhh, my favorite time of the week. Pew Pew Thread.
I think I mentioned it last week that when I am shooting a handgun I do not concentrate at all on my breathing.Put me behind a rifle and that all changes, I do pay attention and try for slow and steady breathing (just like when I dove) and I never hold my breathe (just like when I dove) and I also took the shot at the bottom of the breathe.
You can see how much the reticle moves when you are breathing. I do not currently shoot with a rear bag so that is why that happens.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 07:09 PM (uyKdz)

21 WooHoo!!!
WeaselTime!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at November 29, 2020 07:09 PM (axyOa)

22 Suggested edit.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing

huh, that is much better, thanks

everything's better with a bang

Posted by: vmom Trump Won! at November 29, 2020 07:09 PM (nUhF0)

23 semi-willowed from yesterday, moved to where it belongs:

"I just thermo-formed my first Kydex holster !

Woohoo !

Nothing even remotely fancy; a neck holster for the NAA mini .22 revolver, out of .065 Kydex.

I bought one years ago made from .080 material, but it grips the gun way too tightly. It was a two-handed fight to get it out of the thing, but at least I could use it as a pattern ...
So I bought some .065 material, cut out and drilled a blank, tried to form it at too low a temperature, ... well, a long story, but one finally capped by success ! "

Proper forming temperature was the key; I had been trying to work it at 212F - boiling water - it needs 330 to 350F to form properly.
Once I got it there with a heat gun, just fold it over the gun (with gloved hands) and squeeze ...

Weasel, I'll send you a few pictures sometime this week

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 TRUMP WON! at November 29, 2020 07:10 PM (/On2j)

24 Prayers for Anna Puma

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 07:10 PM (uyKdz)

25
Cheek weld is the part I have trouble with. Once that's dialed in, I'm good to go.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at November 29, 2020 07:04 PM (WEBkv)
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Try putting a little piece of moleskin on the stock so you can feel it with your cheek when you're in the correct position.

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:10 PM (MVjcR)

26 "Pull trigger on your exhale"... so many lessons, so many tips. That one acutually worked.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at November 29, 2020 07:11 PM (evxBY)

27 Take in a normal breath, let half of it out, squeeze. Don't hold your breath or hold your mouth closed. A closed mouth and controlled explosions don't mix.

Posted by: Eromero at November 29, 2020 07:11 PM (XhWtx)

28 Try putting a little piece of moleskin on the stock so you can feel it with your cheek when you're in the correct position.
Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:10 PM (MVjcR)

Moles are pests so you don't have to feel guilty about using their skin either.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 07:11 PM (nakwk)

29 Proper forming temperature was the key; I had been trying to work it at 212F - boiling water - it needs 330 to 350F to form properly.
Once I got it there with a heat gun, just fold it over the gun (with gloved hands) and squeeze ...

Weasel, I'll send you a few pictures sometime this week
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 TRUMP WON! at November 29, 2020 07:10 PM (/On2j)
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Very cool! Newly acquired skills are always interesting.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at November 29, 2020 07:11 PM (WEBkv)

30 Did not get to the range this week but, did walk a friend through her father's armory which had been bequeathed to her.

We'll go to the range soon and get her ticket punched so that she starts down the path to 'ettehood.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 29, 2020 07:12 PM (Rvt88)

31 11 Somebody asked what cologne I was wearing.

Hoppe's No 9, of course!
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Ballistol is well known to attract the ladies, too.

If you use it say, in the basement, they will find you and say "WTF IS THAT SMELL!!??"

Posted by: Common Tater at November 29, 2020 07:12 PM (s8v1a)

32 Wow, vmom, prayers on the way !

and thanks for passing the word !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 TRUMP WON! at November 29, 2020 07:12 PM (/On2j)

33 Weasel - "...haven't been in combat and can only surmise it raises your anxiety level a bit which is going to affect your breathing and aim."

To the best of my knowledge, I've only been shot at three times, twice in flight school in Alabama and once mistaken for a deer. I can tell you it raises your awareness level to AMAZING heights.

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at November 29, 2020 07:12 PM (rJ1YP)

34 I know controlled breathing makes a serious difference even when it's just a single action revolver shooting at 25 yards. But I've always gone with the hold your breath style. Next trip to the range I'm trying The Weasel Method. Might take a couple of trips to get it right.

Posted by: JTB at November 29, 2020 07:13 PM (7EjX1)

35 Thanks for posting my stuff, Weasel. Love the gun thread. You are correct in the 80%

Posted by: Wyoming Lurker at November 29, 2020 07:13 PM (fT38Y)

36 When I got my first handgun I actually got targets similar to what rickb223 has. They really did help with diagnosing what I was doing wrong.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 07:13 PM (uyKdz)

37
Weasel, I'll send you a few pictures sometime this week
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 TRUMP WON! at November 29, 2020 07:10 PM (/On2j)
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Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:14 PM (MVjcR)

38 Try putting a little piece of moleskin on the stock so you can feel it with your cheek when you're in the correct position.
Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:10 PM (MVjcR)
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Will do!

thanks!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at November 29, 2020 07:14 PM (WEBkv)

39 I find that the breathing in shooting and in my golf swing are equally important. Not the same, but important.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 29, 2020 07:14 PM (axyOa)

40 Finally got some 9mm fmj ammo for $.60/round from Palmetto. Now I can try out my new gun and have enough ammo to shoot an intruder or two.

Posted by: Desultory joe at November 29, 2020 07:14 PM (L9P9s)

41 I've been on a Paul Harrell marathon on the YouTube. Anybody else enjoy his videos ?

Posted by: RJD at November 29, 2020 07:15 PM (ucNdt)

42 Yes, there is something calming about sending a couple pounds of lead down range.

Also, prayers to Anna Puma.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at November 29, 2020 07:15 PM (3H9h1)

43 Posted by: Wyoming Lurker at November 29, 2020 07:13 PM (fT38Y)
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Thanks for sending it in! Happy to have you here.

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:15 PM (MVjcR)

44 I've been on a Paul Harrell marathon on the YouTube. Anybody else enjoy his videos ?
Posted by: RJD at November 29, 2020 07:15 PM (ucNdt)


Wait 'til you start looking for excuses to say "pork chop pectorals" in everyday conversations.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 29, 2020 07:16 PM (t+qrx)

45 I've been on a Paul Harrell marathon on the YouTube. Anybody else enjoy his videos ?
Posted by: RJD at November 29, 2020 07:15 PM (ucNdt)
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Yup.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at November 29, 2020 07:16 PM (WEBkv)

46 I know this is a stupid question for Anna, but....was there any prior indication something like a heart attack was impending? That's just scary to out of the blue have a heart attack these days.

Posted by: Eromero at November 29, 2020 07:16 PM (XhWtx)

47 I always held the breath, not sure it made a difference or not.

Posted by: Skip at November 29, 2020 07:16 PM (9sWOw)

48 Try putting a little piece of moleskin on the stock so you can feel it with your cheek when you're in the correct position.

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:10 PM (MVjcR)

I am definitely going to try this with my rifle. I feel I spend more time trying to get a nice cheek weld than I should.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 07:16 PM (uyKdz)

49 Hey Weasel,

If you have finished your large dish of Yellow Mustard Ice Cream, take a look at GunBot's search for .22LR. It's about 99% crap. Nothing in stock, even when selecting "in stock only" and sorting by age.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 29, 2020 07:17 PM (xT2tT)

50 Whoa! Anna Puma has had a heart attack? too too young for that. she's much less than 29. Prayers up/Thorr Blessi

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at November 29, 2020 07:18 PM (rJ1YP)

51 Regarding Paul Harrell... his delivery is so much snark. Love it. His video several months/years ago where he "washes" his guns, literally, with soap and water, is a hoot. He's not wrong about that either... as long as you get them dry.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at November 29, 2020 07:18 PM (3H9h1)

52 48 Try putting a little piece of moleskin on the stock so you can feel it with your cheek when you're in the correct position.

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:10 PM (MVjcR)

I am definitely going to try this with my rifle. I feel I spend more time trying to get a nice cheek weld than I should.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 07:16 PM (uyKdz)
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Just a little square maybe 1 sq inch should work. Mess around with it until it's in the center of your cheek just under the bone.

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:18 PM (MVjcR)

53 Speaking of Kydex, I ordered an IWB holster for my .380 from Crossbreed Holsters. I really didn't think this thing through. I love the holster, nice leather and Kydex construction and if fits my gun like a glove.

However, like I said, I really didn't think this through. First off, after settling the holster inside my waistband, damn if wasn't really hard to button my jeans. After struggling with that and getting all set with my belt and all, as soon as I put the gun in the holster, it tripped the magazine release. This is not at all optimal.

I guess I understand now why so many people say that they have a big ole box of holsters. Next up, an OWB Kydex holster.

Posted by: Old Blue - Deplorable Trump Chump at November 29, 2020 07:19 PM (VNmG1)

54 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 29, 2020 07:17 PM (xT2tT)
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Will do.

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:19 PM (MVjcR)

55 I've been on a Paul Harrell marathon on the YouTube. Anybody else enjoy his videos ?

Posted by: RJD at November 29, 2020 07:15 PM (ucNdt)

I like watching him. But currently I am watching other YouTube channels more than I am watching his. In Range, Forgotten Weapons, Warrior Poet Society, Colion Noir, Garand Thumb and Mr Gunslinger are others that I will watch.There are also channels that focus more on 2A news like Guns n Gadgets and Armed Scholar.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 07:20 PM (uyKdz)

56 Get Well Soon AP!

Posted by: DaveA at November 29, 2020 07:20 PM (FhXTo)

57 Prayers sent, Anna

Posted by: Wyoming Lurker at November 29, 2020 07:20 PM (fT38Y)

58 I noted with (some) alarm that 30-30 Win ammunition seems to be hitting about $3 per cartridge. .380 auto about a $1 per, .38 Spl. about $2 per, at least for suitable reasonable SD hollow point or +P

My theory, ordinarily there isn't a lot of demand for .38 Spl., and ammo manufacturing isn't spooled up for it. At the same time, a lot of old pistols languishing in gun safes or sock drawers were put back on active duty as it were, and given to friends and relatives during the recent riots and insurgency. So ammo has dried up.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 29, 2020 07:20 PM (s8v1a)

59
If you have finished your large dish of Yellow Mustard Ice Cream, take a look at GunBot's search for .22LR. It's about 99% crap. Nothing in stock, even when selecting "in stock only" and sorting by age.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 29, 2020 07:17 PM (xT2tT)
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CMP has 22 LR for sale, Eley. Expensive, though.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at November 29, 2020 07:22 PM (WEBkv)

60 True dat, blake, nothing like the feeling of success in doing something new !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 TRUMP WON! at November 29, 2020 07:22 PM (/On2j)

61 Heidi said "lets go buy a gun" Friday. She's been wanting a plinking 22 and also a practice gun. She likes the 9mm Glock I carry so she got a Glock 22 cal. they also gave us a deal on some ammo for it. So now she wants the Ruger 10/22 breakdown carbine and when she gets used to the Glock 22
The 9mm for her carry. Yep. Good Thanksgiving. Oh, wait did I forget that she ordered a laser shooter System too?

Yesterday we took our guns to the desert and lit it up.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'killin ain't hrd. It's not killin thets hrd' at November 29, 2020 07:22 PM (WekKK)

62 -----

CMP has 22 LR for sale, Eley. Expensive, though.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at November 29, 2020 07:22 PM (WEBkv)
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Wonder if big box stores would be worth a try.

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:23 PM (MVjcR)

63 There's something oddly lurid about that breathing technique graphic.

Posted by: Robert at November 29, 2020 07:23 PM (zZOSV)

64 Just a little square maybe 1 sq inch should work.
Mess around with it until it's in the center of your cheek just under
the bone.

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:18 PM (MVjcR)

Sounds like something I can do on a cold winters day. Lay a blanket out on my apartment floor and work on finding the place for that little piece of moleskin.
Thanks!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 07:23 PM (uyKdz)

65 No range report this week. Dry fire, and site picture training.

Need to break out the AR-10 and do the same. Breathing practice too. I do mine a little differently, but it works for me. Also try to break the trigger release in between heart beats.

Posted by: BifBewalski AOS Moron at November 29, 2020 07:23 PM (VcFUs)

66 Prayers for Anna Puma
Posted by: Scuba_Dude

SECONDED !

BIG TIME !

Posted by: JT at November 29, 2020 07:24 PM (arJlL)

67
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'killin ain't hrd. It's not killin thets hrd' at November 29, 2020 07:22 PM (WekKK)
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Nice, bro!!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:24 PM (MVjcR)

68 Prayers ascending for Anna Puma.

May some flight deck-certified Naval Aviators, all handsome, single, and buff, visit her and cheer her up.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 29, 2020 07:24 PM (u82oZ)

69 I honestly don't know what my breathing pattern is when I shoot. I don't do slow target shooting but rather try to simulate real life by acquiring target quickly ( point shooting) and firing two or three shots .

Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 07:25 PM (2DOZq)

70 However, like I said, I really didn't think this through. First off, after settling the holster inside my waistband, damn if wasn't really hard to button my jeans. After struggling with that and getting all set with my belt and all, as soon as I put the gun in the holster, it tripped the magazine release. This is not at all optimal.
Posted by: Old Blue - Deplorable Trump Chump at November 29, 2020 07:19 PM (VNmG1)


Time for me to shill for PJ Holster again.

https://tinyurl.com/y6r6e3q6

I have two OWB paddle holsters from them and the most compact and concealable of the IWB holsters for my PPS (one of two that I routinely use for it, depending entirely on where the loops are for whichever pants I'm wearing). Fits really well, both conforming to me and covering the trigger and the mag release, with just the right amount of friction to hold the gun securely. And Paul's a cool guy too, he'll usually email right before he makes the holster or once he's received the order to make sure it'll be what you want. Answered some questions about the OWB paddle holster for the VP9 tactical right away (at 10pm on a weekend) to confirm that he can make it for the threaded muzzle and TLR7.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 29, 2020 07:25 PM (t+qrx)

71 Fantastic thread, as always. I've never bitten on the 6.5 Crdmr for hunting....if you're going to shoot, shoot close. Plus if you're out 1,000yrds doing big game in some barren plain out in the badlands best of luck lugging it all back to camp!

As an aside, I purchased a S&W MP 2.0 w/ 4.25 inch barrel....fantastic handgun.

Posted by: GigantorX at November 29, 2020 07:25 PM (OpIjY)

72 Oh no, I just read Anna's post and that's horrible!

Hope she's in the clear.

Posted by: Robert at November 29, 2020 07:25 PM (zZOSV)

73 Nice, bro!!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:24 PM (MVjcR)

Yeah Weas, I thought I couldn't love Heidi more. I was mistaken. !!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'killin ain't hrd. It's not killin thets hrd' at November 29, 2020 07:26 PM (WekKK)

74 well, I'ma have to send pics of my 80% builds. Since I'm in exile, I ordered (mentioned it last week) a couple more Poly 80s. First warning. Watch for chatter when milling freehand with a drill OR a router. took some chips outta the jig. I can fix that, but poo what a bother. I'll take pics this week and send 'em to you, Weasel.

oh, maybe some 1911s could be shown on a future gub thread (hint hint nudge, nudge, know what I mean?)

McGyver, back reading the comments

Posted by: McGyver at November 29, 2020 07:26 PM (rJ1YP)

75 As far as range time goes I have not been. Almost think of giving the rifle and handgun a nice clean and put them away for the winter. (Saves me on ammo too).

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 07:26 PM (uyKdz)

76
As an aside, I purchased a S&W MP 2.0 w/ 4.25 inch barrel....fantastic handgun.
Posted by: GigantorX at November 29, 2020 07:25 PM (OpIjY)
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Thanks and congratulations!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:26 PM (MVjcR)

77 Hey Weasel.

Haven't been gun shopping yet.

But I will go. Gulp.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 07:27 PM (TdMsT)

78 So when I catch moles I should skin them? How much is those little pelts worth anyway?

Posted by: Skip at November 29, 2020 07:27 PM (9sWOw)

79
Yeah Weas, I thought I couldn't love Heidi more. I was mistaken. !!
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'killin ain't hrd. It's not killin thets hrd' at November 29, 2020 07:26 PM (WekKK)
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Keeper!!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:27 PM (MVjcR)

80 Bought the Academy Black Friday special Heritage 22 LR Revolver. I was the first of 4 to buy one.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 29, 2020 07:27 PM (u82oZ)

81 Crack myself up sometimes

Posted by: Skip at November 29, 2020 07:28 PM (9sWOw)

82 I honestly don't know what my breathing pattern is when I shoot. I don't do slow target shooting but rather try to simulate real life by acquiring target quickly ( point shooting) and firing two or three shots .
Posted by: Mr Meeseek

Me too - it's the best I can do at the moment since all the places I am familiar with don't allow holster draw.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 29, 2020 07:28 PM (Rvt88)

83 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 29, 2020 07:28 PM (Zz0t1)

84 Gun related, I guess:
The Times of Israel says that the killing of the Iranian nuke chief was done remotely, with a self driving car equipped with a remote controlled gun.

Puny humans! AI for the win.

https://tinyurl.com/y3ehuxny

Posted by: attila the temporarily reasonable at November 29, 2020 07:28 PM (w7KSn)

85 Heidi said "lets go buy a gun" Friday. She's been wanting a plinking 22 and also a practice gun. She likes the 9mm Glock I carry so she got a Glock 22 cal. they also gave us a deal on some ammo for it. So now she wants the Ruger 10/22 breakdown carbine and when she gets used to the Glock 22
The 9mm for her carry. Yep. Good Thanksgiving. Oh, wait did I forget that she ordered a laser shooter System too?

Yesterday we took our guns to the desert and lit it up.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'killin ain't hrd. It's not killin thets hrd'

Nice !

Regards to Heidi !

Posted by: JT at November 29, 2020 07:29 PM (arJlL)

86
Haven't been gun shopping yet.

But I will go. Gulp.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 07:27 PM (TdMsT)
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OK! Let us know when you do!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:29 PM (MVjcR)

87 Skip

You don't skin Moles. They are too tiny.

+ 6.022 x 10²³

You use them in chemical reactions.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 29, 2020 07:29 PM (u82oZ)

88 SPONGE!!!!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 07:29 PM (uyKdz)

89 The Weasel Way.

World Champion.

Nuff said.

Posted by: Sponge - Office of the President Elect at November 29, 2020 07:29 PM (Zz0t1)

90 Thanks hogmartin, I'll check him out. I can't remember who referred me to LAX ammo, but I was able to pick up 300 rds of .380 for about $275.00 and that cost included shipping and state tax. Which is a whole lot better than the $2.00 a rd I was seeing elsewhere.

Posted by: Old Blue - Deplorable Trump Chump at November 29, 2020 07:29 PM (VNmG1)

91 CMP has 22 LR for sale, Eley. Expensive, though.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at November 29, 2020 07:22 PM (WEBkv)
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Wonder if big box stores would be worth a try.
Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:23 PM (MVjcR)
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No idea. Biggest problem I can see is corona lockdown madness. For instance, our county is taking a very relaxed attitude toward enforcing Newsom's edicts. But, traveling to other counties, well, it's a different story. And I'd definitely have to travel outside my county.

Risk/reward makes it not worth the effort.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at November 29, 2020 07:29 PM (WEBkv)

92 At least sounded Anna was in good hands

Posted by: Skip at November 29, 2020 07:29 PM (9sWOw)

93 I have been bugging my local shops for a while now to stock 80% lowers so I can buy a few over the counter for green paper rather than with a CC and shipping paper trail.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 TRUMP WON! at November 29, 2020 07:30 PM (/On2j)

94 78 So when I catch moles I should skin them? How much is those little pelts worth anyway?
Posted by: Skip at November 29, 2020 07:27 PM (9sWOw)

Probably priceless since you only get a 1 inch square for cheek snuzzles.

Posted by: BifBewalski AOS Moron at November 29, 2020 07:30 PM (VcFUs)

95 Hiya.

And Gunga la Gunga !

Posted by: JT at November 29, 2020 07:30 PM (arJlL)

96 Can anybody contact Anna Puma IRL? Find out if she needs anything?

Posted by: Adriane the Demagogue Critic ... at November 29, 2020 07:30 PM (LPnfS)

97 Keeper!!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:27 PM (MVjcR)

I shot my 870 12 gauge home defense conversion. Whoa. I think I need a pistol grip. Fucker kicks like a mule. Weasel, you'll get a kick out of the conversion photo. I'll send it along.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'killin ain't hrd. It's not killin thets hrd' at November 29, 2020 07:31 PM (WekKK)

98 Adriane the Demagogue Critic

I have an email contact listing. What else you want to say?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 29, 2020 07:32 PM (u82oZ)

99
I shot my 870 12 gauge home defense conversion. Whoa. I think I need a pistol grip. Fucker kicks like a mule. Weasel, you'll get a kick out of the conversion photo. I'll send it along.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'killin ain't hrd. It's not killin thets hrd' at November 29, 2020 07:31 PM (WekKK)
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I'll be on the lookout!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:32 PM (MVjcR)

100 Nice !

Regards to Heidi !

Posted by: JT at November 29, 2020 07:29 PM (arJlL)

HIYA!! Says Heidi!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'killin ain't hrd. It's not killin thets hrd' at November 29, 2020 07:33 PM (WekKK)

101 FYI, no particular breathing technique is used for practical pistol sports (IDPA/USPSA). I say that as a past Master-level competitor--not to brag, just to show I've been there. I've also been a state-level rifle competitor, and there breathing technique was as important as described in the blog post.

Not sure what 3-gunners do, as it's kind of a mix of practical pistol and rifle, but I assume they adjust to the needs of the shot.

--Andrew

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at November 29, 2020 07:33 PM (Dh1xc)

102 Old Blue at 90 That was me. Glad you were able to get some at that price 380 is stupid expensive

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at November 29, 2020 07:33 PM (rJ1YP)

103
Yesterday we took our guns to the desert and lit it up.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob

Well done!
Congrats on the new purchase and next one as well.
Bunch of us going Southwest of Maricopa for a desert shoot next Sunday morning.

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at November 29, 2020 07:33 PM (gtatv)

104 I shot my 870 12 gauge home defense conversion. Whoa. I think I need a pistol grip. Fucker kicks like a mule. Weasel, you'll get a kick out of the conversion photo. I'll send it along.
Posted by: Cannibal B




you decided to go with the net attachment so you don't bruise the meat?

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 07:34 PM (4Jold)

105 I noted with (some) alarm that 30-30 Win ammunition seems to be hitting about $3 per cartridge. .380 auto about a $1 per, .38 Spl. about $2 per, at least for suitable reasonable SD hollow point or +P

My theory, ordinarily there isn't a lot of demand for .38 Spl., and ammo manufacturing isn't spooled up for it. At the same time, a lot of old pistols languishing in gun safes or sock drawers were put back on active duty as it were, and given to friends and relatives during the recent riots and insurgency. So ammo has dried up.
Posted by: Common Tater at November 29, 2020 07:20 PM (s8v1a)


Probably.

I have my grandfathers old service revolver -- a "victory" gun, chambered in .38, but not .38 spl. I forget the exact stuff I had to buy off the top of my head.

Long story short, I tried to find ammo for it a few weeks ago and was unable to find any in stock.

Annoying, and also pretty weird. Last time I bought ammo, it was a bit pricey, but available.

I'm not sure if they just stopped making the ammo, or if people are dusting off the old victory guns.

Either way, it's more of a family heirloom then something I take to the range.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 07:34 PM (UPoLF)

106 Prayers for Anna Puma. Glad she didn't have to join me in the Zipper Club.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at November 29, 2020 07:35 PM (bAe71)

107 I have the feeling that Anna is going to be alright. I have a blocked right coronary artery. They tried to do a stint, but it had been blocked for so long that the blockage was pretty hard. They were afraid that they would punch through the artery wall and that would have been immediate open heart surgery. On the plus side, it had been blocked for so long that by the time they tried to do the stent you could see on the screen that I had grown a network of blood vessels around the blockage. A stent should provide a good blood flow for Anna.To quote our friend, Nyah.

Posted by: Old Blue - Deplorable Trump Chump at November 29, 2020 07:35 PM (VNmG1)

108 About a month or so ago I purchased an Aliengear OWB for my Ruger Security 9 and from Crossbreed, an IWB for my Ruger EC9.

The IWB is a total pain in the ass to get on and get comfortable with. Sorry Crossbreed but you failed here.

The OWB Aliengear is awesome.

Two totally different guns. The EC9 is a single stack 7 round CCW weapon while the Security 9 is a double stack 15 round. Needless to say the Security 9 is heavy. Yet it feels so much better on my side.

Need to work with this a bit more...

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at November 29, 2020 07:35 PM (3H9h1)

109 Weasel, great topic and another stellar gun thread. Have you ever tried squeezing the trigger on the inhale?

Posted by: Ben Had at November 29, 2020 07:35 PM (J9prb)

110 Prayers up for Anna Puma.
She is important to us all.

Weasel, thanks again fo rthe gun thread. The breathing is hard to do if you're not a regular shooter.
Between heartbeats is good if you have that kind of control.

Also, the video on 5.56 v .223. I'd known this for a long time but it's good reinforcement.

Posted by: Winston dreg of society at November 29, 2020 07:36 PM (Drr5h)

111 Nice !

Regards to Heidi !

Posted by: JT at November 29, 2020 07:29 PM (arJlL)

HIYA!! Says Heidi!
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'killin ain't hrd. It's not killin thets hrd'

Posted by: JT at November 29, 2020 07:37 PM (arJlL)

112 subersonic?

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 07:37 PM (4Jold)

113 Hiya BenHad !

Posted by: JT at November 29, 2020 07:38 PM (arJlL)

114 Yep, Thanks Again McGyver! It'll be here tomorrow, and now I have enough .380 to take it to the range.

Posted by: Old Blue - Deplorable Trump Chump at November 29, 2020 07:38 PM (VNmG1)

115 I liked AltonJackson's gun I shot at the TX MoMe, but I haven't been able to procure one yet. Not for lack of trying, but because nobody has it.

Posted by: Jordan61 - 2020 TX MoMe Bacon Wench
TRUMP WON
at November 29, 2020 07:39 PM (KuT6N)

116 109 Weasel, great topic and another stellar gun thread. Have you ever tried squeezing the trigger on the inhale?
Posted by: Ben Had at November 29, 2020 07:35 PM (J9prb)
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I'm sure I have at one point or another, for example if I'm in a hurry for some reason, like a variable wind condition. If done consistently, don't know why it wouldn't work, I am just a creature of habit and consistency.

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:39 PM (MVjcR)

117 Oh and prayers up for Anna Puma. Yeesh.

Posted by: Jordan61 - 2020 TX MoMe Bacon Wench
TRUMP WON
at November 29, 2020 07:39 PM (KuT6N)

118 Prayers for Anna.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 29, 2020 07:39 PM (J9prb)

119 subersonic?
Posted by: confederatefifth

Saw that too, thought hmmm, maybe spelling isn't his forte.
Then I looked at my typing and said "he's good".

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at November 29, 2020 07:40 PM (gtatv)

120 Last year at a gun show I picked up an old Harrington and Richardson 22 revolver for a reasonable price. The company is long gone now but they made reliable, decent guns that did the job but lacked the superb fit of a Colt or S and W. I got it because years ago I had a Model 999, their top of the line revolver. It was sweet but the cylinder when out of time and it was shaving lead. Not good.

This one is the Model 929, a DA 22lr 9 shot revolver made in 1956. Still in great condition. Although a relatively inexpensive gun, it is all steel frame, nicely blued, and the DA trigger is fairly heavy but smooth. Fixed sights but fine for plinking. The surprise is the hammer is beautifully jeweled. Not what one would expect. I need to get it out to the range and see if I can shoot it worth a damn.

BTW, H and R made a gazillion of those break action single barrel shotguns we all used at one time or another. They also made a couple of decent rifles, again single shots. The first is the Buffalo Classic in 45-70, a break action that is surprisingly accurate when compared to the cost of a Sharps or other traditional buffalo guns. It can use smokeless powder cartridges but I use mine with BP ammo. The second, which I've never seen, is a similar piece but in 38-55. I would love to try one of those just for the history of the cartridge. Designed for long range silhouettes with a less punishing recoil.

Thus endeth the history lesson.

Posted by: JTB at November 29, 2020 07:40 PM (7EjX1)

121 Gun Thread Best Wishes for Anna Puma!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:41 PM (MVjcR)

122 115 I liked AltonJackson's gun I shot at the TX MoMe, but I haven't been able to procure one yet. Not for lack of trying, but because nobody has it.
Posted by: Jordan61 - 2020 TX MoMe Bacon Wench
TRUMP WON
at November 29, 2020 07:39 PM (KuT6N)


I want an AR15.

But it makes no sense for me to have one.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 07:41 PM (TdMsT)

123 Weasel, I am ashamed to say that I don't even think about my breathing when I'm shooting. I just say to myself, "keep pressing keep pressing keep pressing..." and let the shot surprise me. I am going to work on that!

Posted by: Jordan61 - 2020 TX MoMe Bacon Wench
TRUMP WON
at November 29, 2020 07:41 PM (KuT6N)

124 I have a 6.5 swede, thats 75 years older than me.

Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2020 07:42 PM (Xih1H)

125 Saw that too, thought hmmm, maybe spelling isn't his forte.
Then I looked at my typing and said "he's good".
Posted by: AZ deplorably




some very sophisticated cya there.

How fast is it?

Uuh subersonic?

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 07:42 PM (4Jold)

126
But it makes no sense for me to have one.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 07:41 PM (TdMsT)
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Oh. It's supposed to make sense?

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:42 PM (MVjcR)

127 I want an AR15.



But it makes no sense for me to have one.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 07:41 PM (TdMsT)

That's why you get two or three.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 29, 2020 07:42 PM (IbxQb)

128 105 Harry Paratestes,
The WWII Victory models were either .38 Special as issued to U.S. Troops or Lend Lease in .38-200 aka .38 S&W. The old .38 S&W has a fatter (.361 in diameter) bullet than the .38 Special and a smaller case that goes a leisurely 600-700 fps.

Some .38-200's have been rechambered to .38 Special but often these leave the older barrel in place with generally dismal accuracy.

Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 07:42 PM (pO7gM)

129 Weasel, just a mechanical question but inhale is a drawing in motion and exhale is a pushing out motion.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 29, 2020 07:43 PM (J9prb)

130 I liked AltonJackson's gun I shot at the TX MoMe, but I haven't been able to procure one yet. Not for lack of trying, but because nobody has it.
Posted by: Jordan61 - 2020 TX MoMe Bacon Wench
TRUMP WON
at N




brand?

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 07:43 PM (4Jold)

131 Whoa,.where is Anna vaguely

Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2020 07:43 PM (Xih1H)

132 123 Weasel, I am ashamed to say that I don't even think about my breathing when I'm shooting. I just say to myself, "keep pressing keep pressing keep pressing..." and let the shot surprise me. I am going to work on that!
Posted by: Jordan61 - 2020 TX MoMe Bacon Wench
TRUMP WON
at November 29, 2020 07:41 PM (KuT6N)
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Try it and let us know if it makes a difference in measured shots. If you're in a gunfight, you may want to keep doing what you're doing!!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:44 PM (MVjcR)

133 61 ... "So now she wants the Ruger 10/22 breakdown carbine"

Cannibal Bob,

For what it's worth, I find my take down 10-22 to be more accurate that the standard version. No idea why. And it sure makes cleaning easier.

Posted by: JTB at November 29, 2020 07:44 PM (7EjX1)

134 126
But it makes no sense for me to have one.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 07:41 PM (TdMsT)
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Oh. It's supposed to make sense?
Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:42 PM (MVjcR)


Well, um, yes. Isn't it?

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 07:44 PM (TdMsT)

135 Whoa,.where is Anna vaguely
Posted by: J




earth

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 07:44 PM (4Jold)

136 subersonic?
Posted by: confederatefifth

mebbe he thought this was The Fud Thread.

Posted by: JT at November 29, 2020 07:44 PM (arJlL)

137 129 Weasel, just a mechanical question but inhale is a drawing in motion and exhale is a pushing out motion.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 29, 2020 07:43 PM (J9prb)
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Correct!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:45 PM (MVjcR)

138 I want an AR15.



But it makes no sense for me to have one.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 07:41 PM (TdMsT)
I want one too. But it is not my common sense preventing me, it is the Peoples Republic of New York City and New York State.They HATE guns and their rules prevent me from getting the kind of AR that I want.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 07:45 PM (uyKdz)

139 131 Whoa,.where is Anna vaguely
Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2020 07:43 PM (Xih1H)

The state that people get cornfuzzled with Alabama.

Posted by: Robert at November 29, 2020 07:45 PM (WAdfF)

140 LadyL, @ 122, It makes all the sense in the world for you to have an AR15, even a few. It's....a contingency thing. How many pairs of shoes do you have? Yeah.

Posted by: Eromero at November 29, 2020 07:45 PM (XhWtx)

141 ..Cheek weld is the part I have trouble with. Once that's dialed in, I'm good to go.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at November 29, 2020 07:04 PM (WEBkv)



Moleskin? Nah, brah. You want a real cheek-weld, use this: *hand blake a tube of Super Glue*


/snrk


No snrk. Prayers up for Anna Puma. Rapid Recovery to you, there! Hope they let you go home before the stir-crazy sets in!



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 29, 2020 07:45 PM (QzJWU)

142 But it makes no sense for me to have one.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 07:41 PM (TdMsT)
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Oh. It's supposed to make sense?
Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:42 PM (MVjcR)

Well, um, yes. Isn't it?
Posted by: Ladyl

I believe rifles and pistols fall into the "I don't care I want it" catagory.
Go for it Ladyl!

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at November 29, 2020 07:46 PM (gtatv)

143 Jean, Louisiana.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 29, 2020 07:46 PM (J9prb)

144

Well, um, yes. Isn't it?
Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 07:44 PM (TdMsT)
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I'm probably the wrong guy to ask!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:46 PM (MVjcR)

145 mebbe he thought this was The Fud Thread.
Posted by:






if you are going to have a typo better it is funny

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 07:46 PM (4Jold)

146
Last year at a gun show I picked up an old Harrington and Richardson 22 revolver for a reasonable price. This one is the Model 929, a DA 22lr 9 shot revolver made in 1956. Still in great condition.

My Dad had one of those. He died in 1985 and Mom got it. It was stolen and sold for heroin money by my niece about ten years ago.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 29, 2020 07:46 PM (63Dwl)

147 135 Whoa,.where is Anna vaguely
Posted by: J




earth
Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 07:44 PM (4Jold)

Barsoom.

Posted by: Robert at November 29, 2020 07:46 PM (WAdfF)

148 I carry exclusively OWB or shoulder-rig these days ... well except for the little NAA which will fit just about anywhere; I used to carry it swimming sometimes in that little pocket that's supposed to be for your locker key. When I got to the lab I would unload it, blow it out with the air hose, and dry it out in an oven at 200 degrees.
Stainless steel firearms are a wonderful thing; not a speck of rust after 40 years of that kind of silliness.

IWB was so not an option for a few years while I had The Bag; couldn't wear anything that needed a belt to hold it up.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 TRUMP WON! at November 29, 2020 07:46 PM (/On2j)

149 Whoa,.where is Anna vaguely
Posted by: J


earth
Posted by: confederatefifth

LOL !!!

And I thought i was a smart-ass !

(Pushes chips across the table)

Posted by: JT at November 29, 2020 07:46 PM (arJlL)

150 Ladyl. Get one. Way easy to shoot. Little recoil. Way fun. Effective

Posted by: Wyoming Lurker at November 29, 2020 07:47 PM (fT38Y)

151 Ladyl, someone on the blog once said that you need a rim fire rifle, a shotgun, a centerfire rifle, and a good pistol. An AR15 satisfies the centerfire rifle requirement.

Posted by: Old Blue - Deplorable Trump Chump at November 29, 2020 07:47 PM (VNmG1)

152
I have a 6.5 swede, thats 75 years older than me.

Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2020 07:42 PM (Xih1H)

that's an old Swede.

Posted by: Quint at November 29, 2020 07:47 PM (ZbBR3)

153 Try it and let us know if it makes a difference in measured shots. If you're in a gunfight, you may want to keep doing what you're doing!!
Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:44 PM (MVjcR)


I find that what you practice over and over, you tend to start doing automatically, even under great stress.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 07:47 PM (TdMsT)

154 The state that people get cornfuzzled with Alabama.

Central Pennsylvania?

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 29, 2020 07:47 PM (qc+VF)

155 i was a smart-ass !

(Pushes chips across the table)
Posted by: J






thanks

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 07:47 PM (4Jold)

156 Best gun ever made: Rohm

Fight me.


/s

Posted by: rickb223 at November 29, 2020 07:47 PM (sNYFR)

157 I have a 6.5 swede, thats 75 years older than me.

Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2020 07:42 PM (Xih1H)

that's an old Swede.
Posted by: Quint

Actually built in Germany before the tooling transferred to Sweden

Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2020 07:48 PM (Xih1H)

158 The drawing at the top is correct because, in a perfect world, you breathe from the diaphragm, which is a membrane under your lungs, the largest part of your lungs.
If you breathe from the diaphragm you will get more respiration, you will require fewer breaths, unlike when you breathe using the upper chest area, where your lungs are much smaller and therefore you will need more breaths, almost like panting.

Posted by: attila the temporarily reasonable at November 29, 2020 07:48 PM (w7KSn)

159 Ok. Giggles and my conceal carry are in 380. Mine doesn't print in my hip pocket and hers... is apparently a fashion statement https://tinyurl.com/yxfxqn6z That said, the first firearm I bought after I got out was an M-9. I was used to it, having carried one for the last 10+ years active, mostly in South America; Panama, Colombia, Venezuela (used to be a garden spot!), Nicaragua, Peru... other places. That said, she has ALWAYS been better with my M9 that I am. And she loves it. Butit's here in VA and she's in MT. I think Ima have to get her one for Christmas

McGyver, over (Oh, she's calling now, I'll be back)

Posted by: McGyver at November 29, 2020 07:48 PM (rJ1YP)

160 The state that people get cornfuzzled with Alabama



West Virginia?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 29, 2020 07:48 PM (sNYFR)

161 But it is not my common sense preventing me, it is the Peoples Republic of New York City and New York State.They HATE guns and their rules prevent me from getting the kind of AR that I want.
Posted by: S



you need a shotgun

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 07:49 PM (4Jold)

162 150 Ladyl. Get one. Way easy to shoot. Little recoil. Way fun. Effective
Posted by: Wyoming Lurker at November 29, 2020 07:47 PM (fT38Y)

151 Ladyl, someone on the blog once said that you need a rim fire rifle, a shotgun, a centerfire rifle, and a good pistol. An AR15 satisfies the centerfire rifle requirement.
Posted by: Old Blue - Deplorable Trump Chump at November 29, 2020 07:47 PM


I love shooting it.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 07:49 PM (TdMsT)

163
I find that what you practice over and over, you tend to start doing automatically, even under great stress.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 07:47 PM (TdMsT)
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Yep!!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:49 PM (MVjcR)

164 But it is not my common sense preventing me, it is the Peoples Republic of New York City and New York State.They HATE guns and their rules prevent me from getting the kind of AR that I want.
Posted by: S




or an m1

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 07:49 PM (4Jold)

165 Somebody here quipped "If you need to distinguish between your plumbers and chemists, ask them to read aloud the word 'unionized'". That right there's funny, I don't care who ya are.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 29, 2020 07:49 PM (s8v1a)

166 Prayers Anna!

I had my heart attack 4 years ago last month. Have a stent, 3 days in the hospital, and 3 months of cardiac rehab. You'll be fine!

Posted by: lin-duh at November 29, 2020 07:49 PM (UUBmN)

167 1894 and still.shoits factory ammo

Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2020 07:50 PM (Xih1H)

168 the classic rule was to inhale, let half out, fire, then let out the rest. OTOH, a classic way of screwing with a golf opponent was to ask them if they inhaled or exhaled when they drew the club back.

Posted by: Quint at November 29, 2020 07:50 PM (ZbBR3)

169 But it is not my common sense preventing me, it is the Peoples Republic of New York City and New York State.They HATE guns and their rules prevent me from getting the kind of AR that I want.
Posted by: S



you need a shotgun
Posted by: confederatefifth



Needs to move to Free America.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 29, 2020 07:50 PM (sNYFR)

170 Butit's here in VA and she's in MT. I think Ima have to get her one for Christmas

McGyver, over (Oh, she's calling now, I'll be back)
Posted by: McGyver

That deserves 'open carry'!

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at November 29, 2020 07:50 PM (gtatv)

171 I went back and read one of my prepper magazines from 2017 and one article coincidentally addressed something I was thinking about doing. Buying available ammo even if I don't have that particular caliber weapon.

Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 07:50 PM (2DOZq)

172
I love shooting it.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 07:49 PM (TdMsT)
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Pretty good at it too, as I recall.

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:50 PM (MVjcR)

173 you need a shotgun

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 07:49 PM (4Jold)

That is my next purchase. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 07:50 PM (uyKdz)

174 I always assumed Anna Puma is young, under 40. She seems young to have had a heart attack.

Posted by: clutch at November 29, 2020 07:50 PM (9UmRs)

175 The WWII Victory models were either .38 Special as issued to U.S. Troops or Lend Lease in .38-200 aka .38 S&W. The old .38 S&W has a fatter (.361 in diameter) bullet than the .38 Special and a smaller case that goes a leisurely 600-700 fps.

Some .38-200's have been rechambered to .38 Special but often these leave the older barrel in place with generally dismal accuracy.
Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 07:42 PM (pO7gM

Yes, it's a .38 S&W.

I'm not sure why he ended up with that. He was in the Navy.

He was also a cop after that. He always called the gun his old "service gun" which I assumed was from his time in the navy, but it could have also been from his cop days?

Some day, I'd like to research the gun and try to figure out how he ended up with it.

He was a competitive shooter for years, too. Unfortunately, he gave away most of his "good" guns to friends over the years as he got older, so I only ended up with the .38 and an old .300 savage rifle, which I *think* was his fathers deer rifle.

Obviously, I wish I'd asked him a lot more questions while he was alive.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 07:50 PM (UPoLF)

176 weekly thread that makes me jealous because I live in a blue state constitutional hell hole

looks like fun, sigh

Posted by: havelhavolim at November 29, 2020 07:50 PM (fLpTX)

177 But it is not my common sense preventing me, it is the Peoples Republic of New York City and New York State.They HATE guns and their rules prevent me from getting the kind of AR that I want.
Posted by: S



you need a shotgun
Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 07:49 PM (4Jold)

M1 Super 90, legal sub machine gun

Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2020 07:51 PM (Xih1H)

178 Needs to move to Free America.
Posted by: r



that is good, or betterer, but until then he needs a shotgun and or an m1 or both

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 07:51 PM (4Jold)

179 or an m1

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 07:49 PM (4Jold)

That is on the list.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 07:51 PM (uyKdz)

180 153 Try it and let us know if it makes a difference in measured shots. If you're in a gunfight, you may want to keep doing what you're doing!!
Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:44 PM (MVjcR)


I find that what you practice over and over, you tend to start doing automatically, even under great stress.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 07:47 PM (TdMsT)

Maybe that explains what Toobin did.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 07:51 PM (nakwk)

181 Picked up 500 rounds of 45 acp from GA Arms per Weasel's link. Price was higher than normal but not exorbitant. Delivery tomorrow. Got brick of Lapua 22 lr ammo from Midsouth Shooters Supply, expensive but I don't think price for Lapua has increased much from normal. Just checked still in stock. Midsouth has always been great to me. Have seen some Aguila <$3 per box ammo going for abound $10 per box lately, made the Lapua seem affordable.
Christmas gift to the family is a pellet pistol - should be here tomorrow or Tuesday. Looking forward to some plinking. Cheaply. At home no less.Took inventory of all ammo, bullets, powder, primers to determine where shortfalls are. Need about 500 of each primer type to even out quantities on hand. Not looking likely to fill the void anytime soon.Last week took sister in law to range, let her shoot everything. She shot well and handled all the unfamiliar arms and range safely and competently. There was a guy there we called GI Joe, full military garb, SnL outshot him. We had as they say a blast.

Posted by: Randall H at November 29, 2020 07:51 PM (iViqu)

182 Ladyl, someone on the blog once said that you need a rim fire rifle, a shotgun, a centerfire rifle, and a good pistol. An AR15 satisfies the centerfire rifle requirement.

And with a CMMG conversion kit, a mostly acceptable rimfire rifle. Or at least a hell of a fun one.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 29, 2020 07:52 PM (qc+VF)

183 Needs to move to Free America.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 29, 2020 07:50 PM (sNYFR)

I will have to wait until I retire before I do that.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 07:52 PM (uyKdz)

184 Last year at a gun show I picked up an old Harrington and Richardson 22 revolver for a reasonable price. The company is long gone now but they made reliable, decent guns that did the job but lacked the superb fit of a Colt or S and W. I got it because years ago I had a Model 999, their top of the line revolver. It was sweet but the cylinder when out of time and it was shaving lead. Not good.


JTB-

Can you get that repaired ?

Posted by: JT at November 29, 2020 07:52 PM (arJlL)

185 Posted by: havelhavolim at November 29, 2020 07:50 PM (fLpTX)
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Welcome!!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 07:52 PM (MVjcR)

186 Clutch, years ago I had a good bowling buddy that died of a heart attack at 34. It seems young, but it's not all that uncommon.

Posted by: Old Blue - Deplorable Trump Chump at November 29, 2020 07:52 PM (VNmG1)

187 Missed range time this past week. Still haven't gotten daughter out there with me.. dammit something always comes up. But I'm gonna pin her down tomorrow. She's off tomorrow and Tuesday. I've never shot a rifle so no experience there whatsoever. But.. just before I pull the trigger with my pistol I take a deep breath but don't hold it. Just a deep breath.. then pew pew!!

Posted by: Jewells45TRUMPWON! at November 29, 2020 07:52 PM (nxdel)

188 174 I always assumed Anna Puma is young, under 40. She seems young to have had a heart attack.
Posted by: clutch at November 29, 2020 07:50 PM (9UmRs)

Anna is a 19 year old buxom catgirl.

Posted by: Robert, dreaming at November 29, 2020 07:52 PM (WAdfF)

189
Maybe that explains what Toobin did.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 07:51 PM (nakwk)


Omg I'm laughing like a hyena.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 07:52 PM (TdMsT)

190
Needs to move to Free America.
Posted by: rickb223


A place which is shrinking in size daily.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 29, 2020 07:53 PM (63Dwl)

191 weekly thread that makes me jealous because I live in a blue state constitutional hell hole

looks like fun, sigh
Posted by: havelhavolim

Friend of many years married a German lady (citizen now), when they have visitors from Germany he takes them both to a really nice indoor range and out to the desert.
They are astounded by the number of guns he has as well as the variety.
Good times.

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at November 29, 2020 07:53 PM (gtatv)

192 M1 Super 90, legal sub machine gun.
Yup. In the collection

Posted by: Wyoming Lurker at November 29, 2020 07:54 PM (fT38Y)

193 RE Anna Puma......Easy does it for a few days, and pay attention to the blood thinner they put you on. Plavix is normally what they recommend, but Brilinta (Sp?) AKA Ticagrelor can be a real beast. I know, 21 stents, 2 heart attacks, one stroke ( Very mild) and open heart in March of this year. Its not the end of the world, but you might find yourself a little paranoid about every chest twinge and tweak that you might experience. You will be fine.
Yes, I am still working six days a week, and do not sit on my ass for more than a few minutes at a time...( gun thread, is, of course, the exception to the rule.) And dont leave home without your sublingual nitro, if the doc thinks you should carry it. A little screw top meds container on a chain around your neck is the way I carry mine. Along with a P-38 and my allergy dog tags from basic training........a long time ago.....

Posted by: jasonj at November 29, 2020 07:54 PM (qSQLQ)

194

"Wait 'til you start looking for excuses to say "pork chop pectorals" in everyday conversations."

The magic words have been said.

Now, Joerg Sprave is in on the action:
The "Schweinebraten" Crossbow Challenge!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4PaWLB2sLw&ab_channel=JoergSprave

Posted by: Arbalest at November 29, 2020 07:54 PM (FlRtG)

195 That is my next purchase. :-)
Posted by:



nice, nice with the m1 too. being in ny is hard for guns.

when you get around to it, you might be interested in the beretta 1301.

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 07:54 PM (4Jold)

196 weekly thread that makes me jealous because I live in a blue state constitutional hell hole



looks like fun, sigh

Posted by: havelhavolim at November 29, 2020 07:50 PM (fLpTX)

May I ask what blue state hell hole you reside in?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 07:55 PM (uyKdz)

197
Best gun ever made: Rohm



Fight me.





/s

Posted by: rickb223 at November 29, 2020 07:47 PM (sNYFR)

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wring.

it wasn't designed by John M Browning.

Posted by: redc1c4, Trump Won! at November 29, 2020 07:55 PM (kTGYg)

198 I want one too. But it is not my common sense preventing me, it is the Peoples Republic of New York City and New York State.They HATE guns and their rules prevent me from getting the kind of AR that I want.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 07:45 PM (uyKdz)

Luckily for me, I previously lived in one of the most gun friendly places on the planet (new hampshire), and my parents live in a gun friendly state, so I was able to store my guns with my folks when I was in NYC. Due to the pandemic, I'm currently in the south, and grabbed a few guns from them last time I drove out to visit them.

But yeah, while in NYC, I didn't want to deal with holding on to any guns. Too much (legal) risk.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 07:55 PM (UPoLF)

199 Anna Puma, prayers for a speedy recovery.

Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 07:55 PM (pO7gM)

200 Needs to move to Free America.
Posted by: rickb223

A place which is shrinking in size daily.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.


Yeah. I realized that as I hit post.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 29, 2020 07:55 PM (sNYFR)

201 Posted by: Anna Puma at November 29, 2020 06:40 PM (oHNFt)

Posted by: vmom Trump Won! at November 29, 2020 07:07 PM (nUhF0)


Thank you for the repost vmom!

What the heck kind of blog is this when you can be happily reading about gubs, and suddenly a post like this pops up and you are moved to tears?
Prayers up!

Posted by: Commissar-Elect Hrothgar - I Have Earned, And Deserve, Different Rules! at November 29, 2020 07:55 PM (87oRe)

202 Jtb,

That is the model I have! It's a nice gun. I had a .32 to match it but foolishly sold that one.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 29, 2020 07:56 PM (YynYJ)

203 Adriane the Demagogue Critic

I have an email contact listing. What else you want to say?
Posted by: NaCly Dog


Thanks. Just a quick - Do you need anything?

Box of delivered groceries, something like that ...

Posted by: Adriane the Demagogue Critic ... at November 29, 2020 07:56 PM (LPnfS)

204 Best gun ever made: Rohm

Fight me.


/s
Posted by: rickb223 at November 29, 2020 07:47 PM (sNYFR)

On one of the gun shows on the Outdoor channel they always have a segment from the Cody gun museum showing guns from WW1 . Lots of weird stuff but interesting to see the developments that necessity breeds.

Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 07:56 PM (2DOZq)

205 Along with a P-38 and my allergy dog tags from basic training........a long time ago.....
Posted by: jasonj at November 29, 2020 07:54 PM (qSQLQ)

This begs the question.

What *is* the best gun to carry for someone recovering from a heart attack?

Posted by: Robert at November 29, 2020 07:56 PM (ehRNX)

206 Read an article on a 950 jdj rifle. Looks like a tank would be easier and cheaper to own and operate.

Impressive none the less.

Posted by: Dwaynerz at November 29, 2020 07:56 PM (gtu/X)

207 " ...
I believe rifles and pistols fall into the "I don't care I want it" catagory.
Go for it Ladyl!

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at November 29, 2020 07:46 PM (gtatv) "




This !

*thinks about all of the guns that fell into that category*

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 TRUMP WON! at November 29, 2020 07:56 PM (/On2j)

208 Bought the Academy Black Friday special Heritage 22 LR Revolver. I was the first of 4 to buy one.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 29, 2020 07:27 PM (u82oZ)


Got one there too.

When counter guy was giving his spiel about warranty I says,
Pfft... It's only $120. What can you expect. Not like dropping $600 on a Bearcat. I wish I could but...

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 29, 2020 07:57 PM (/Dgcm)

209 Prayers for Anna ..so scary but glad GSE is on the mend. Now back to lurking and getting gun educated.

Posted by: IC at November 29, 2020 07:57 PM (Nyumu)

210 189
Maybe that explains what Toobin did.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 07:51 PM (nakwk)


Omg I'm laughing like a hyena.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 07:52 PM (TdMsT)

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 07:57 PM (nakwk)

211 I believe rifles and pistols fall into the "I don't care I want it" catagory.



which is why buying guns intoxicated is not permitted.

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 07:57 PM (4Jold)

212 Hah, just reorganized/rationalized my reloading cabinet this afternoon, sort of spontaneously.

I realize that's not a very interesting gub thread contribution.

I also loaded some test loads in 45ACP using 700X, have a 4-lber of that powder I picked up during the *last* panic, because it was only thing I could find, and want to use it up (HP38 is my default powder for all my handgun loads).

Also will do some test loads in 38 special (125g Missouri Bullet RNFP, my default bullet), and I hope shoot them all this week, so will be ready to use 700X for all my bulk reloading. I look for lowest felt recoil that cycles the gun (in the 1911), and doesn't produce noticeable leading in the bore. Accuracy, I have found, does not vary on the basis of my charges compared to the effects of operator error, so that element really kind of disappears in my analysis.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 29, 2020 07:58 PM (OTzUX)

213 I carry a bottle of nitro in my pocket and Mrs. E carries one in her purse (for me), since I had the heart thingie this summer. I do not worry much about my heart since we have 'bigger fish' to fry.

Posted by: Eromero at November 29, 2020 07:58 PM (XhWtx)

214 175 Harry,
The U.S. Navy used Victory models in .38 Special and it should be marked U.S. Property if it was his Service weapon.

It is also possible, depending on where he served, that he somehow acquired a .38 S&W if he was mixed up with the Brit Navy in some capacity.

The .300 Savage is a nice well mannered round that the later .308 aka 7.62 Nato was based upon in part.

Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 07:58 PM (pO7gM)

215 But yeah, while in NYC, I didn't want to deal with holding on to any guns. Too much (legal) risk.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 07:55 PM (UPoLF)

When I was young and very dumb living in NYC I had a sawed off shotgun that I had brought with me from Louisiana.

Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 07:58 PM (2DOZq)

216 My daughter visited for Thanksgiving. We went to the indoor range Saturday, she picked the Browning BDA (.380 ACP, built by Beretta). She hadn't touched a firearm in about a year, but put everything in the 8 ring, most in the 9 ring at 5 yards.

Posted by: butch at November 29, 2020 07:59 PM (cHvOo)

217 Have used that diagnostic target - but I think the lower-left wedge (from about 190 to 245 degrees) should also say "anticipating". I have an inveterate low/left error, at least with semi-auto handguns, which is reduced by minimal trigger finger, but really only eliminated when I focus totally and do zero "push" or anticipation movement.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 29, 2020 08:00 PM (OTzUX)

218
I believe rifles and pistols fall into the "I don't care I want it" catagory.
Go for it Ladyl!

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at November 29, 2020 07:46 PM (gtatv


I understand completely enthusiasm for a pastime or sport.

But I wouldn't call myself a gun enthusiast (yet).

I just would like to be able to defend myself.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:00 PM (TdMsT)

219 Posted by: rhomboid at November 29, 2020 07:58 PM (OTzUX)
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This is what I love about reloading. The ability to custom fit your loads to your particular gun and application. It's not only for the economics!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 08:00 PM (MVjcR)

220 When counter guy was giving his spiel about warranty I says,
Pfft... It's only $120. What can you expect. Not like dropping $600 on a Bearcat. I wish I could but...

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 29, 2020 07:57 PM (/Dgcm)
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I like to say, if it goes bad I'll just return it through that plate glass window.

Posted by: Jimco Industries at November 29, 2020 08:00 PM (buTO7)

221 Just wanted to chime in with prayers for our nekko-warrior extraordinaire, Anna Puma, and here's wishing a lightning-fast recovery!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Iron Fist in Velvet Glove in Iron Gauntlet Clutching an Iron Mace at November 29, 2020 08:01 PM (Dc2NZ)

222
I had a most enjoyable afternoon today, engaging in a impromptu shooting contest.

With older daughter no less. The weapons were 3 black powder revolvers I had decided to shoot. Specifically, my Remington New Model Army , an 1860 Colt Army and the Rogers and Spencer. All .44 caliber.

That girl can shoot. She convincingly beat me. She seems suddenly to have a lot of interest in BP, that tickles me greatly.

I love BP shooting, it's like holding history in your hands.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 29, 2020 08:01 PM (KATBx)

223
I just would like to be able to defend myself.
Posted by: Ladyl

Perfect reason to buy one then!

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at November 29, 2020 08:01 PM (gtatv)

224 Now back to lurking and getting gun educated.
Posted by: IC

If a lurker falls in the forest and no one's around, does she make a noise ?

Posted by: JT at November 29, 2020 08:01 PM (arJlL)

225 we've got two Stevens single shots, both originally chambered in 44Shot, which is what was used in the US, prior to the introduction here of 410

i say originally, because somewhere back in time, the grandfather of Bubba the Gunsmite "re chambered" it.

the local toy store did a chamber casting of it, and almost couldn't remove it.

i still have it, somewhere. let's just say the chamber isn't concentric.

the seller made good on it though, with a discount on our next purchase from him.

we highly recommend "Dawson's Doubles" he always has interesting stuff for sale.

Posted by: redc1c4, Trump Won! at November 29, 2020 08:02 PM (kTGYg)

226 The U.S. Navy used Victory models in .38 Special and it should be marked U.S. Property if it was his Service weapon.

It is also possible, depending on where he served, that he somehow acquired a .38 S&W if he was mixed up with the Brit Navy in some capacity.

The .300 Savage is a nice well mannered round that the later .308 aka 7.62 Nato was based upon in part.
Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 07:58 PM (pO7gM)

I don't have the gun with me, but i'm pretty sure it does say "US Property" on it. I did a very ass half attempt at researching it. I recall that the serial number started with a "V" and had a later serial number.

I'll check back on a future gun thread next time I have the gun with me and see what you all think, I'm going by memory here. It's at my parents house right a many hour drive away right now.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:02 PM (UPoLF)

227 Posted by: irongrampa at November 29, 2020 08:01 PM (KATBx)
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Very nice!!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 08:02 PM (MVjcR)

228
I just would like to be able to defend myself.
Posted by: Ladyl

Perfect reason to buy one then!
Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at November 29, 2020 08:01 PM (gtatv)


Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:03 PM (TdMsT)

229 And I have a bunch of ammo for the .300 savage, it's actually a pretty cool gun and I've shot it many times.

Pretty accurate for an old gun.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:03 PM (UPoLF)

230 105 ... Harry,
The Victory revolvers were made in 38 special, 38 S and W, and 38-200 (for the Brits). The 38 special and 38 S and W are not interchangeable. The 38 S and W is still made but not in huge amounts. Definitely check the piece for the specific caliber.

Posted by: JTB at November 29, 2020 08:04 PM (7EjX1)

231
I just would like to be able to defend myself.
Posted by: Ladyl

Perfect reason to buy one then!
Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at November 29, 2020 08:01 PM (gtatv)

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:03 PM (TdMsT)
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I'd like for you to be able to defend yourself, too!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 08:04 PM (MVjcR)

232 I understand completely enthusiasm for a pastime or sport.

But I wouldn't call myself a gun enthusiast (yet).

I just would like to be able to defend myself.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:00 PM (TdMsT)

Yeah, I'm far from a "gun guy," it's more of an on again off again hobby for me. But I do like to have at least one pistol and a shotgun in my house. You know, just in case.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:05 PM (UPoLF)

233 "I'd like for you to be able to defend yourself, too!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 08:04 PM (MVjcR) "



Seconded !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 TRUMP WON! at November 29, 2020 08:06 PM (/On2j)

234 Anna, had a heart cath in January and ended up with 5 stents and a weekend in ICU. A bit of trouble for a while but I'm still going. My wife had an attack 10 years ago, got 2 stents and has had no trouble since. Through these and other trials we have developed the attitude that we are going to make small everyday events a party. Just work on this attitude, makes life much more enjoyable. Prayers for you and your loved ones.

Posted by: Randall H at November 29, 2020 08:06 PM (iViqu)

235 Funny thing. I was only going to get one of each of the firearms I spoke about upthread. Now I have an AR, a 10/22, a 12 gauge pump, a 20 gauge double barrel, 3 .22 pistols, a 1911 .45, and a .380. Mrs. Old Blue asked if I had enough firearms. I just told her I wasn't looking for a new one "right now". Although that Heritage .22 looks mighty fine.

Posted by: Old Blue - Deplorable Trump Chump at November 29, 2020 08:06 PM (VNmG1)

236 When I was young and very dumb living in NYC I had a sawed off shotgun that I had brought with me from Louisiana.
Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 07:58 PM (2DOZq)

heh, bigger balls than me.

I had some pepper spray in my night stand. Which you can't (legally) buy in NYC, but I think you could legally possess it. Maybe. I don't know.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:06 PM (UPoLF)

237 Yay!!! Gun thread!!!Hey there Weasel!!
Nice thinking on the breathing technique. I think I exhale and hold my breath. I will try to up my skill on that.
I have an old Stevens 44 1/2 single shot rifle. My old man had it built in the late 50s-early 60s. I found correspondence between him and PO Ackley about the rifle, but no idea who actually built it.It is chambered in 218 bee Ackley improved...
I found a couple boxes of his 25/20 reloads He had another 44 1/2 action, but it seems to have disappeared. I have 100 rounds of obsolete 25/20, now I need to find something to shoot it. The trials and tribulations of weird old gun lovers... Wait, am I the weird one,or is the gun old and weird?? Maybe I can find a Winchester 94 in 25/20 ??
Happy Shooting everyone!!!

Posted by: Jesse in DC at November 29, 2020 08:06 PM (ouR/N)

238 Ladyl, when you are here in the spring you can give a shotgun a try.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 29, 2020 08:07 PM (J9prb)

239 Mr Meeseeks, prescience, prepping, or smarts had nothing to do with it, but I've got a few cases of AR food (as well as dies, and even bullets), even though I only have a few parts for the first AR build. Also, half a case of free green tip picked up from a range after the military had a very jam-clearing-intensive bit of night training. And I "stockpiled" a case or more of factory for each caliber I own/expected to own that I don't touch from the outset, living in CA and having finally started into the hobby in the teeth of the first Obama panic.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 29, 2020 08:07 PM (OTzUX)

240 231
I just would like to be able to defend myself.
Posted by: Ladyl

Perfect reason to buy one then!
Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at November 29, 2020 08:01 PM (gtatv)

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:03 PM (TdMsT)
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I'd like for you to be able to defend yourself, too!
Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 08:04 PM (MVjcR)

If you're serious about self-defense and leaving nothing remaining, have we got a deal for YOU!

Posted by: Flamethrowers R Us at November 29, 2020 08:07 PM (WAdfF)

241 Posted by: Jesse in DC at November 29, 2020 08:06 PM (ouR/N)
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Howdy amigo!!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 08:07 PM (MVjcR)

242 I'd like for you to be able to defend yourself, too!
Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 08:04 PM (MVjcR)

Thank you, Weasel.

Shibumi just texted me to meet her and Bozo for dinner this week. Shibumi has already offered to be a support person in the purchase process. I think having that support is going to move me forward.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:08 PM (TdMsT)

243 I miss the days when the gun counter at Academy had most of the Glock models in stock three deep. Been looking for another Glock .45 in any model.

Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 08:08 PM (2DOZq)

244 122 115 I liked AltonJackson's gun I shot at the TX MoMe, but I haven't been able to procure one yet. Not for lack of trying, but because nobody has it.
Posted by: Jordan61 - 2020 TX MoMe Bacon Wench
TRUMP WON
at November 29, 2020 07:39 PM (KuT6N)


I want an AR15.

But it makes no sense for me to have one.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 07:41 PM (TdMsT)

Wha? It makes ALL the sense.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 08:08 PM (nakwk)

245 Question for the horde, I bought a Ruger 10/22 trigger from Timney. Worked fine for ~1000- 1500 rounds. Then trigger stopped resetting maybe 75% of the time. Sent back to Timney, I reinstalled but I am still getting light (no fire)primer strikes. Any ideas for a fix?

Posted by: Randall H at November 29, 2020 08:09 PM (iViqu)

246 Ladyl, when you are here in the spring you can give a shotgun a try.
Posted by: Ben Had

.410 Buckshot ?

Posted by: JT at November 29, 2020 08:09 PM (arJlL)

247 Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:08 PM (TdMsT)
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Buddy system!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 08:09 PM (MVjcR)

248 184 ... "Can you get that repaired ?"

Hi JT,

It might have been repairable or maybe get a new cylinder. But this was over 30 years ago and I didn't know enough. I sold it back then to someone who knew the problem and still wanted it.

Posted by: JTB at November 29, 2020 08:10 PM (7EjX1)

249 Weasel, yes, the ability to custom load is a great aspect of reloading. Especially lighter loads (revolvers) for the newbies and most ladies.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 29, 2020 08:10 PM (OTzUX)

250 247 Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:08 PM (TdMsT)
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Buddy system!
Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 08:09 PM (MVjcR)

Yep!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:10 PM (TdMsT)

251 Biden has the boot. what a coincidence. Welcome to the club.

https://tinyurl.com/y5q87svf

Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 08:10 PM (vPzhp)

252 I'd have to agree that Midsouth has been really good in this time of scarcity. I live in the backorder section but nothing takes too long and they don't gouge you. Brownell's has been great too.

Posted by: ck at November 29, 2020 08:11 PM (iBg56)

253 OldBlue -

"enough firearms" ?

I cannot parse that concept ... all I have is the barest minimum of firearms ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 TRUMP WON! at November 29, 2020 08:11 PM (/On2j)

254 Ladyl, I bought my AR in .556. The dealer told me that all .556 rifles can also fire .223, but not all rifles chambered in .223 can fire .556 because of the pressure differential. I went with the more versatile rifle. One of the more knowledgeable 'rons can correct me if I'm wrong.

Posted by: Old Blue - Deplorable Trump Chump at November 29, 2020 08:11 PM (VNmG1)

255 I find that what you practice over and over, you tend to start doing automatically, even under great stress.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 07:47 PM (TdMsT)


"Muscle memory" via training!

Posted by: Commissar-Elect Hrothgar - I Have Earned, And Deserve, Different Rules! at November 29, 2020 08:11 PM (87oRe)

256 246 Ladyl, when you are here in the spring you can give a shotgun a try.
Posted by: Ben Had


That would be GREAT, Ben Had!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:11 PM (TdMsT)

257 The one gun I'd love to get? Side by side double barrel .410.
I have seen two of them ever. Mossberg.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 29, 2020 08:11 PM (sNYFR)

258 The Victory revolvers were made in 38 special, 38 S and W, and 38-200 (for the Brits). The 38 special and 38 S and W are not interchangeable. The 38 S and W is still made but not in huge amounts. Definitely check the piece for the specific caliber.
Posted by: JTB at November 29, 2020 08:04 PM (7EjX1)

Yeah, it's .38 S&W, I remembered it when whig mentioned it.

And yeah, I had to search a bit to find ammo last time I bought some, but found some. Not exactly cheap, but wasn't horribly expensive either.

It's not really a range gun, more like a family heirloom that I'd like to someday pass on to the next generation. but I should definitely figure out the history of it at some point. I'm super curious now if he was issued the gun when he was in the navy, or if he was some kind of surplus deal where his police department ended up issuing it to beat cops, or maybe when he was a detective? He also worked as an armed bailiff at one point, and retired as a police ballistics expert.

He had an interesting life, but was one of those people that didn't really like talking about himself. I wish I'd pushed him for details a bit more when I was younger.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:11 PM (UPoLF)

259 226 Harry, the Lend Lease firearms including victory revolvers sent to the Brits in WWII also have the U.S. Property on it because we were allegedly 'leasing' these weapons to them. The .38-200 was so named because the Brits had to switch from dead soft lead bullets to a fmj due to Hague conventions on ammo. They went with a ridiculous 200 gr. bullet figuring that the heavy and slow bullet (around 600 fps or so) would penetrate about as well as their old .455 Eley/Webley round.

Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 08:12 PM (pO7gM)

260 Posted by: rhomboid at November 29, 2020 08:07 PM (OTzUX)

It's like money if the worst should come to pass. I don't have an 7.62 x 39 but I've passed up buying the ammo a couple of times here recently. Not any more if the opportunity comes up again.

Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 08:12 PM (2DOZq)

261 JT, 20 and 12 gauges. As quick as Ladyl is I'll bet she will be a great skeet shooter.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 29, 2020 08:12 PM (J9prb)

262 256 246 Ladyl, when you are here in the spring you can give a shotgun a try.
Posted by: Ben Had


That would be GREAT, Ben Had!
Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:11 PM (TdMsT)

You're going to be there in the spring? Lucky...

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 08:12 PM (nakwk)

263 252 I'd have to agree that Midsouth has been really good in this time of scarcity. I live in the backorder section but nothing takes too long and they don't gouge you. Brownell's has been great too.
Posted by: ck at November 29, 2020 08:11 PM (iBg56)
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Both are great companies that I'm happy to use.

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 08:12 PM (MVjcR)

264
"Muscle memory" via training!
Posted by: Commissar-Elect Hrothgar - I Have Earned, And Deserve, Different Rules! at November 29, 2020 08:11 PM (87oRe)


Muscle memory works both for and against you!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:12 PM (TdMsT)

265
You're going to be there in the spring? Lucky...
Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 08:12 PM (nakwk)
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That's what I was thinking!!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 08:13 PM (MVjcR)

266
You're going to be there in the spring? Lucky...
Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 08:12 PM (nakwk)


Yes. I am very fortunate!!!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:13 PM (TdMsT)

267 Guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 08:13 PM (d1uFV)

268 261 JT, 20 and 12 gauges. As quick as Ladyl is I'll bet she will be a great skeet shooter.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 29, 2020 08:12 PM (J9prb)

Small as she is we could probably launch her through the air with the skeet thrower.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 08:13 PM (nakwk)

269 Rhomboid, there a problem with green tip? I have about 400 rds of it.

Posted by: Old Blue - Deplorable Trump Chump at November 29, 2020 08:13 PM (VNmG1)

270 JT, 20 and 12 gauges. As quick as Ladyl is I'll bet she will be a great skeet shooter.
Posted by: Ben Had

I meant as a gun for her. (trying to minimize kick)

Posted by: JT at November 29, 2020 08:14 PM (arJlL)

271 Posted by: Old Blue - Deplorable Trump Chump at November 29, 2020 08:11 PM (VNmG1)

Weasel posted a video just for you.

Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 08:14 PM (2DOZq)

272 Old Blue @ 255- Buy ARs in 5.56 always and you're ok for .223 too. The only .223 we have is one barrel chambered in .223 Wylde for wild hawgse.

Posted by: Eromero at November 29, 2020 08:15 PM (XhWtx)

273 Anna Puma should be in Mississippi, but she is very protective of her location and overall privacy.

She mentioned a stalker years ago to me.

Maybe Walmart is a cover and she dances a pole.
Nyah. She strikes me as mature, normal, and not a drug user.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 29, 2020 08:15 PM (u82oZ)

274 259 226 Harry, the Lend Lease firearms including victory revolvers sent to the Brits in WWII also have the U.S. Property on it because we were allegedly 'leasing' these weapons to them. The .38-200 was so named because the Brits had to switch from dead soft lead bullets to a fmj due to Hague conventions on ammo. They went with a ridiculous 200 gr. bullet figuring that the heavy and slow bullet (around 600 fps or so) would penetrate about as well as their old .455 Eley/Webley round.
Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 08:12 PM (pO7gM)

Interesting. I think I read somewhere that if you send in the serial number, smith and wesson has a team of people that will research the gun and the history of it (as far as they know) for a small fee.

I should probably do that.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:15 PM (UPoLF)

275 Rhomboid, there a problem with green tip? I have about 400 rds of it.
Posted by: Old Blue - Deplorable Trump Chump at November 29, 2020 08:13 PM (VNmG1)

Lot of ranges won't let you shoot it.

Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 08:15 PM (2DOZq)

276 Spot-on, OldBlue, a 5.56 chamber is good for either one.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 TRUMP WON! at November 29, 2020 08:15 PM (/On2j)

277 Maybe Walmart is a cover and she dances a pole.
Nyah. She strikes me as mature, normal, and not a drug user.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 29, 2020 08:15 PM (u82oZ)

Just trying to pay her way through android neko-grrrl school...

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 08:16 PM (nakwk)

278 Have friends who are planning to do the extended (year or more) trailering around the country thing, starting next year.

He asked me about gunz - basic self-defense being the interest. My reaction was - if you want to minimize/eliminate the concern about idiotic state laws varying all over the place, and have something that's pretty easy/instinctive to use, just get a shotgun. Pump. 12 ga. 18.5" barrel. Low-recoil buckshot and slugs.
Keep it secured, hidden away, and unloaded, and you'll be "compliant" in all lower 48 states, plus maybe even Canada?

Does this sound right?

Only twist is that for the wife, they might think about getting a 20 ga instead. I've never shot one, to compare handling/recoil difference, but assume it's easier, overall.

I have a Mossberg 500 they can try at the range. Need to look around, see if any local ranges rent 20 ga.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 29, 2020 08:16 PM (OTzUX)

279 254, damnit. Sorry Old Blue.

Posted by: Eromero at November 29, 2020 08:16 PM (XhWtx)

280 Insom, any time you have 4 days, you are welcome.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 29, 2020 08:17 PM (J9prb)

281 save your green tip for the possibility of serious use ... just sayin' ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 TRUMP WON! at November 29, 2020 08:18 PM (/On2j)

282 He asked me about gunz - basic self-defense being the interest. My reaction was - if you want to minimize/eliminate the concern about idiotic state laws varying all over the place, and have something that's pretty easy/instinctive to use, just get a shotgun. Pump. 12 ga. 18.5" barrel. Low-recoil buckshot and slugs.
Keep it secured, hidden away, and unloaded, and you'll be "compliant" in all lower 48 states, plus maybe even Canada?

Does this sound right?

Only twist is that for the wife, they might think about getting a 20 ga instead. I've never shot one, to compare handling/recoil difference, but assume it's easier, overall.

I have a Mossberg 500 they can try at the range. Need to look around, see if any local ranges rent 20 ga.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 29, 2020 08:16 PM (OTzUX)


Ehhh... I'd research state laws first.

But I don't think it'd be kosher in Canada. I know every time I cross the border, I get asked if I have any weapons, and in their list of potential weapons is "pepper spray."

If pepper spray is an issue, I have to imagine a firearm would be.

But I don't really know.

Also, I'd be nervous about driving through MA or NJ with any firearm, loaded or not.

Notoriously shitty gun laws in those states.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:18 PM (UPoLF)

283 rhomboid, I have a 20 gauge that is my go to gun. Minimal kick and fun to shoot.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 29, 2020 08:20 PM (J9prb)

284 280 Insom, any time you have 4 days, you are welcome.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 29, 2020 08:17 PM (J9prb)

That would be awesome. Scraping up those days off is the challenge...

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 08:20 PM (nakwk)

285 No range visit this week, not until the mask shit settles down because I can't see shit with my glasses fogged up from said mask.

Rabble.

But it was nice enough yesterday to warrant a wood hike. So I took my Benelli Super 90 and my CZ P-07 and went for a walk. Learned a few things, mostly negative but...there you go.

First, the Benelli was a single shot. Fucking expensive single shot. Shot carrier would not elevate the next round up into the chamber. Every time, I'd have to tap it in. Unamused. So it's off home defense duties until I figure out what and why. Instead, I have my Remington 11-48 in its place.

Next negative thing is.... a Benelli Super 90 with a six shell shot carrier on the side of the receiver makes for an awkward weapon. Slung, either the shot side saddle or the bolt handle digs into you. Carried one handed, the side saddle makes for awkward carry at point of balance.

Two handed, it's fine and lighter than my Remington 870 Police Magnum.

Recoil is mild, very mild with the Benelli 'defensive' shot shells (felt underpowered, actually)

So the Benelli is benched.

Did some double tap drills from draw, because woods, with the CZ. Which went fine. No malfunctions. The CZ P-07 is a quality gun. Though one note: the front sight is not pinned, it's screwed in and the screw holding it in can work itself loose. No problem if you have the right wrenches with you, but still...something to know. Loctite needed there.

Still, got outside, hiked, shot stumps. Saw some masked up hoodie wearing guys and it made me wonder if they were enemy agents out practicing with their guns.

Keep in mind, the bad guys ARE gunned up. Make sure you are, too.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 08:20 PM (d1uFV)

286 Old Blue, as noted by someone else, many ranges won't allow green tip (steel core), but my outdoor range doesn't care (that's where the military leftovers are from).

If you meant something about jamming and green tip, no - I meant that I was assuming they did a *lot* of clearing drills that night, because an RO buddy and I found nearly a case of ammo (about 10% was discards, due to being bent or seriously creased, etc) on the range, where typically there'll be 40-60 live rounds after a night training session.

In any case, ever since then, I check that range first thing when I show up on duty day.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 29, 2020 08:21 PM (OTzUX)

287 254 Old Blue, the major difference between .223 and 5.56 lies in the throat aka lede of the rifle's barrel. The throat aka transition aka lede aka freebore to where the rifling starts is very abrupt in a .223 and more generous in a 5.56 chamber. There is a .223 Wylde chamber that splits the difference.

But, to complicate matters, both the ammo and the actual throat of any individual rifle can vary quite a bit due to wear on the chamber reamer, wear in the rifle's barrel, and differences in reamers between manufacturers of tooling. So, a lot of people have not had issues with firing 5.56 in a .223 chambered firearm but some have. Anything that tends to increase pressure such as a hot day, hot loaded 5.56, long bullets, mag dumps, raise the risk of a pressure event quite a bit. .223 in a 5.56 chamber is fine.

LuckyGunner labs (they sell ammo online) has a great article about the whole deal combined with real life testing. They did something similar with steel jacketed ammo as well.

That being said, you should always watch for pressure signs--blown or loose primers are definitely from too high pressures as is malfunctions.

Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 08:21 PM (pO7gM)

288 Ladyl, I bought my AR in .556. The dealer told me that all .556 rifles can also fire .223, but not all rifles chambered in .223 can fire .556 because of the pressure differential. I went with the more versatile rifle. One of the more knowledgeable 'rons can correct me if I'm wrong.
Posted by: Old Blue - Deplorable Trump Chump at November 29, 2020 08:11 PM (VNmG1)

Its pressures and chamber... the .556 is slightly different and because of the higher pressures it can cause problems. There are .223 chambers that can handle it but you'd have to confirm it with the builder.. so the conventional wisdom is accurate

Posted by: Inogame - Trump Won at November 29, 2020 08:21 PM (+2xjH)

289 OMG, prayers up for Anna Puma from here.

Posted by: Farmer at November 29, 2020 08:22 PM (OVGnc)

290 So,
In the last 24 hours there's been two shootings within 1/4 mile of me.

I'm Ready to defend myself in my home.

Shit's gettin real around here.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 29, 2020 08:22 PM (U2p+3)

291 Keep in mind, the bad guys ARE gunned up. Make sure you are, too.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 08:20 PM (d1uFV)

I note that every time I go into Collectors Firearms to browse. Sometimes it feels like a BLM / Antifa meeting.

Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 08:22 PM (2DOZq)

292 Shit, bad Joss for Anna Puma.

I'll add her to my prayer list. Hopefully have better luck praying for her than I did for RickL or Chavez...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 08:23 PM (d1uFV)

293 bad guys ARE gunned up. Make sure you are, too.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards



what is hanging off the benelli?

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 08:23 PM (4Jold)

294 254 Ladyl, I bought my AR in .556. The dealer told me that all .556 rifles can also fire .223, but not all rifles chambered in .223 can fire .556 because of the pressure differential. I went with the more versatile rifle. One of the more knowledgeable 'rons can correct me if I'm wrong.
Posted by: Old Blue - Deplorable Trump Chump at November 29, 2020 08:11 PM (VNmG1)


Um...what is that in plain English?

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:24 PM (TdMsT)

295 rhomboid, I have a 20 gauge that is my go to gun. Minimal kick and fun to shoot.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 29, 2020 08:20 PM (J9prb)


Just read this as saying that you have a Minimi that's fun to shoot. No, I don't need a new prescription, you just need a Minimi, that's all.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 29, 2020 08:24 PM (t+qrx)

296 274 Harry,
You can find out a bit cheaper than that if you do not want to spend the freight on getting a factory letter.


Jim Supica's and his coauthor's book (Standard Catalog of S&W) on S&W firearms has a fairly complete serial number sequences from SW records.

In addition, the Lend Lease revolvers have British proofs generally which you can find by image searching online.

Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 08:24 PM (pO7gM)

297 Ben Had, thanks.

Harry, I'll leave the actual research to them, but I think a pump shotgun is kosher in all lower 48, AND Canada. I think it's with hand-guns where the absurd, obviously unconstitutional and baseless guvamint harassment kicks in.

Of course it's up to them, if it turns out some state is a problem, they'll have to decide whether they want to go "naked" or just avoid a few states.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 29, 2020 08:24 PM (OTzUX)

298 196 weekly thread that makes me jealous because I live in a blue state constitutional hell hole



looks like fun, sigh

Posted by: havelhavolim at November 29, 2020 07:50 PM (fLpTX)

May I ask what blue state hell hole you reside in?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 07:55 PM (uyKdz)


NY

Posted by: havelhavolim at November 29, 2020 08:24 PM (fLpTX)

299 Um...what is that in plain English?
Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:24 PM (TdMsT)


Write "5.56" on the back of your hand before you go in and make sure it says that somewhere on the gun.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 29, 2020 08:25 PM (t+qrx)

300
In the last 24 hours there's been two shootings within 1/4 mile of me.

I'm Ready to defend myself in my home.

Shit's gettin real around here.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 29, 2020 08:22 PM (U2p+3

{{{nurse}}}

Holy cow. I'm glad you're armed. And that you're a very good shot.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:25 PM (TdMsT)

301 291 Keep in mind, the bad guys ARE gunned up. Make sure you are, too.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 08:20 PM (d1uFV)

I note that every time I go into Collectors Firearms to browse. Sometimes it feels like a BLM / Antifa meeting.
Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 08:22 PM (2DOZq)

I've talked about my friend-of-a-friend who is a member of an antifa group in Brooklyn. We were in the rockaways this summer and she started asking me about guns. kind of made me chuckle. Anyways, apparently, now the "cops are the only one who should have guns" argument is out, and the "defund the cops, and we should all have guns!" argument is in.

Which I guess is fine with me. Makes it less likely that D's will try to ban guns.

But still, it's a complete 180 from a year ago, where she was saying "we need to ban all guns!"

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:25 PM (UPoLF)

302 Shit's gettin real around here.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 29, 2020 08:22 PM (U2p+3)

Stay safe nurse ratched!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 08:25 PM (uyKdz)

303 In the last 24 hours there's been two shootings within 1/4 mile of me.

I'm Ready to defend myself in my home.

Shit's gettin real around here.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 29, 2020 08:22 PM (U2p+3)
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Keep your head down, nurse r!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 08:26 PM (MVjcR)

304 294 LadyL,
The easiest way to explain it is get the 5.56 chamber or the .223 Wylde chamber as it will fire both .223 headstamped ammo and 5.56 ammo without a problem.

Most AR's are now chambered that way. Also avoid a match chamber if the AR is for self defense etc. You lose a bit of accuracy at longer ranges but the weapon will function reliably in adverse conditions.

Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 08:26 PM (pO7gM)

305 Jeepers.

Prayers to you, Anna Puma.

Sorry. Didn't mean to cuss.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at November 29, 2020 08:26 PM (x8Wzq)

306 save your green tip for the possibility of serious use ... just sayin' ...

This. Every once in a while I will cycle a few when shooting outdoors, if for no other reason than to ensure that my stash is reliable. Otherwise, it's kept on ice, so to speak.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 29, 2020 08:26 PM (EgshT)

307 Evening y'all...

Hoppes #9

Takes me back to my childhood, when I shot, and cleaned my rifle...a lot!!!

Maybe some day, I will get a chance again.

Posted by: browndog at November 29, 2020 08:26 PM (BgMrQ)

308 In the last 24 hours there's been two shootings within 1/4 mile of me.
I'm Ready to defend myself in my home.
Shit's gettin real around here.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 29, 2020 08:22

That's crazy shit. Glad you are ready. Aren't you aways away from Portland? It is spreading?

Posted by: Farmer at November 29, 2020 08:27 PM (2Lh/H)

309 Hi NUrse
We had a pretty brutal stabbing/beating here in E-burg.
19 yo guy. Beaten with a baseball bat around 0130Saturday morning. The locals think gang but I'm thinking a drug deal gone bad. Guy's hospitalized.
Pisses me off. Happened about a mile and a half from me.

Mark, if I may ask, where were you doing your hike? I assume west side but there are more than a few sketchy spots there.

Posted by: Winston dreg of society at November 29, 2020 08:27 PM (Drr5h)

310 he easiest way to explain it is get the 5.56 chamber or the .223 Wylde chamber as it will fire both .223 headstamped ammo and 5.56 ammo without a problem.

Most AR's are now chambered that way. Also avoid a match chamber if the AR is for self defense etc. You lose a bit of accuracy at longer ranges but the weapon will function reliably in adverse conditions.
Posted by: w




if the first try did not get it neither is this.

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 08:27 PM (4Jold)

311 Shit's gettin real around here.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 29, 2020 08:22 PM (U2p+3)

Stay safe nurse ratched!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude

Yeah, Seconded !

Nurse-
Is it possible for you to move to a safer area ?

Posted by: JT at November 29, 2020 08:27 PM (arJlL)

312 hogmartin, hugs, darlin

Posted by: Ben Had at November 29, 2020 08:27 PM (J9prb)

313 Harry, I'll leave the actual research to them, but I think a pump shotgun is kosher in all lower 48, AND Canada. I think it's with hand-guns where the absurd, obviously unconstitutional and baseless guvamint harassment kicks in.

Of course it's up to them, if it turns out some state is a problem, they'll have to decide whether they want to go "naked" or just avoid a few states.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 29, 2020 08:24 PM (OTzUX)

Fair.

I think the rule in MA is that if you're transporting ANY gun, you need a "transport" permit or something silly. And that permits need to have the serial number of every gun you own it.

I could be ... not entirely accurate on that. I have friends in NH who got MA carry permits because they were worried about accidentally crossing the border with a gun in the car, so this is all like second hand stuff.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:27 PM (UPoLF)

314 Um...what is that in plain English?
Posted by: Ladyl

Buy the rifle in 556 and you can shoot either round.
Buy the rifle in 223 and you can *only* shoot 223.

Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at November 29, 2020 08:28 PM (gtatv)

315 Farmer,
I'm in seattle.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 29, 2020 08:28 PM (U2p+3)

316 Farmer

Nurse ratched is in Seattle. All the problems of Portland, less publicity.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 29, 2020 08:28 PM (u82oZ)

317 Just read this as saying that you have a Minimi that's fun to shoot. No, I don't need a new prescription, you just need a Minimi, that's all.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 29, 2020 08:24 PM (t+qrx)

Maybe a prescription for a Minimi. As a blood pressure reducer.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 08:28 PM (nakwk)

318 202 ... "That is the model I have! It's a nice gun. I had a .32 to match it but foolishly sold that one."

Notsothoreau,

The 32 long has become one of my favorite calibers. Although spoiled by my Ruger, if I found an H and R with 6 inch barrel I would jump at it.

Posted by: JTB at November 29, 2020 08:28 PM (7EjX1)

319 " ...

Keep in mind, the bad guys ARE gunned up. Make sure you are, too.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 08:20 PM (d1uFV) "



I don't even walk the dog in the yard at 0300 without being strapped ... that's what the neck holster for the NAA is all about; I can wear that even If I'm only wearing flipflops going to the bathroom.

flashlight, knife, gun; don't walk out the bedroom door without it.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 TRUMP WON! at November 29, 2020 08:28 PM (/On2j)

320
The easiest way to explain it is get the 5.56 chamber or the .223 Wylde chamber as it will fire both .223 headstamped ammo and 5.56 ammo without a problem.

Most AR's are now chambered that way. Also avoid a match chamber if the AR is for self defense etc. You lose a bit of accuracy at longer ranges but the weapon will function reliably in adverse conditions.
Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 08:26 PM (pO7gM)


I'm going to paste all the advice in my notes, because at this point I don't really understand what the different sizes (?) of chambers mean.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:28 PM (TdMsT)

321 Mark Andrew Edwards @ 285, Gunned up. That's some good advice there bro. Bad guys don't worry about shortages in ammo, all they need is 2 or 3 rounds to cap an unarmed American. They don't worry about carry methods, a pocket will do just fine. They don't worry about laws, laws don't mean shit to them. And they don't worry about killing other people. So always go armed to defend yourself if you are allowed by your betters where you live.

Posted by: Eromero at November 29, 2020 08:28 PM (XhWtx)

322 NY

Posted by: havelhavolim at November 29, 2020 08:24 PM (fLpTX)

Howdy!! I live in the Peoples Republic of New York City, and I was able to get my pistol license and my rifle/shotgun license back in October 2019.If you do not live in NYC you may be able to get your permits much easier. Take a look and see, you might be surprised.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 08:28 PM (uyKdz)

323 Jeepers.

Prayers to you, Anna Puma.

Sorry. Didn't mean to cuss.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at November 29, 2020 08:26 PM (x8Wzq)
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Dammit!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 08:29 PM (MVjcR)

324 274 Harry,
You can find out a bit cheaper than that if you do not want to spend the freight on getting a factory letter.


Jim Supica's and his coauthor's book (Standard Catalog of S&W) on S&W firearms has a fairly complete serial number sequences from SW records.

In addition, the Lend Lease revolvers have British proofs generally which you can find by image searching online.
Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 08:24 PM (pO7gM)

Interesting. Okay, I'll look in to that. Thanks!

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:29 PM (UPoLF)

325 309 Hi NUrse
We had a pretty brutal stabbing/beating here in E-burg.
19 yo guy. Beaten with a baseball bat around 0130Saturday morning. The locals think gang but I'm thinking a drug deal gone bad. Guy's hospitalized.
Pisses me off. Happened about a mile and a half from me.

Mark, if I may ask, where were you doing your hike? I assume west side but there are more than a few sketchy spots there.
Posted by: Winston dreg of society at November 29, 2020 08:27 PM (Drr5h)

Sir, I was up in the Sultan Basin area. Me, Lazy Messenger and various Ratchets have shot there a fair number of times.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 08:29 PM (d1uFV)

326 I used to be able to brag on the relatively low number of murders in Houston for its size.

Unfortunately we are setting percentage of increase records in 2020.

Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 08:30 PM (2DOZq)

327 I showed my boy breathing techniques before he headed down to Ft Benning. He told me he was was pissed that he didn't make expert in qualification as his weapon jammed once and after that the the magazine split open.

I pointed out to him that clearing a malfunctioning weapon twice under the pressure of not graduating BCT was no less respectful.

Posted by: BluesFish at November 29, 2020 08:30 PM (WQZ1O)

328 I don't even walk the dog in the yard at 0300 without being strapped ... that's what the neck holster for the NAA is all about; I can wear that even If I'm only wearing flipflops going to the bathroom.

flashlight, knife, gun; don't walk out the bedroom door without it.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 TRUMP WON! at November 29, 2020 08:28 PM (/On2j)

we speak the same tongue

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 08:30 PM (d1uFV)

329 Sorry. Didn't mean to cuss.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at November 29, 2020 08:26 PM (x8Wzq)
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Dammit!
Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 08:29 PM (MVjcR)

As my son says: Heck is where you go when you don't believe in Gosh.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at November 29, 2020 08:30 PM (x8Wzq)

330 Howdy!! I live in the Peoples Republic of New York City, and I was able to get my pistol license and my rifle/shotgun license back in October 2019.If you do not live in NYC you may be able to get your permits much easier. Take a look and see, you might be surprised.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 08:28 PM (uyKdz)

Whoa, what?!

I thought that gun permits with an urban legend in NYC. Like you needed to be Donald Trump (pre-presidency) or a body guard for a politician to get permits?!

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:30 PM (UPoLF)

331 My other son uses the F-word as punctuation.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at November 29, 2020 08:31 PM (x8Wzq)

332 329 Sorry. Didn't mean to cuss.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at November 29, 2020 08:26 PM (x8Wzq)
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Dammit!
Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 08:29 PM (MVjcR)

As my son says: Heck is where you go when you don't believe in Gosh.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at November 29, 2020 08:30 PM (x8Wzq)

Gee whillikers, mister!

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 08:31 PM (nakwk)

333 : Mark Andrew Edwards



re your benelli, have you been using it much?

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 08:31 PM (4Jold)

334 So always go armed to defend yourself if you are allowed by your betters where you live.
Posted by: Eromero

I let my concealed carry permit expire.
If I feel the need to carry, I will.

Why should I follow the rules when no one else is.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 29, 2020 08:31 PM (U2p+3)

335
Buy the rifle in 556 and you can shoot either round.
Buy the rifle in 223 and you can *only* shoot 223.
Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at November 29, 2020 08:28 PM (gtatv)


Thank you.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:32 PM (TdMsT)

336 Mr Meeseeks, Look at me

The ride in killings in all blue cities is because police are controlled very hard. With civil authority stymied, grudge killings are a thing.

This is to be expected in a forming kleptocracy.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 29, 2020 08:32 PM (u82oZ)

337 My other son uses the F-word as punctuation.
Posted by:




does he use a smaller font?

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 08:32 PM (4Jold)

338 Um...what is that in plain English?
Posted by: Ladyl

Always buy the correct ammo for a firearm.

(Evergreen advice)

Posted by: Tonypete at November 29, 2020 08:32 PM (Rvt88)

339 I don't even walk the dog in the yard at 0300 without being strapped ... that's what the neck holster for the NAA is all about; I can wear that even If I'm only wearing flipflops going to the bathroom.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 TRUMP WON! at November 29, 2020 08:28 PM (/On2j)


Same here. And now it's jacket weather.

https://stoatnet.org/infall.png

Posted by: hogmartin at November 29, 2020 08:32 PM (t+qrx)

340 The 223 vs 5.56 reminds of the little things that throw shooters for a loop like the 357 Sig. When the 357 Sig was made available in the early 90's they pretty much didn't have ammo available for it. No problem for re-loaders. Buy some 10mm brass, shorten by trimming to length, then neck it down. Dillon was already doing this with a cartridge they developed for competitive shooting called the 9x25mm Dillon. My old man bought 2 Sig 357's when they were made available. We purchased dies from Dillon, got our 10mm brass and went to work. The thing that threw me for a loop was the bullets that we used were 9mm which is .355 in diameter. .357 is 9.1mm. See the problem?
Anyone that has spent time around shooters/reloaders can imagine how hard it was to get them to wrap their minds around that difference and that it was OK.

Posted by: JROD at November 29, 2020 08:32 PM (0jZnq)

341 Buy the rifle in 556 and you can shoot either round.
Buy the rifle in 223 and you can *only* shoot 223.
Posted by:




what's a cubit?

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 08:33 PM (4Jold)

342 330 Howdy!! I live in the Peoples Republic of New York City, and I was able to get my pistol license and my rifle/shotgun license back in October 2019.If you do not live in NYC you may be able to get your permits much easier. Take a look and see, you might be surprised.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 08:28 PM (uyKdz)

Whoa, what?!

I thought that gun permits with an urban legend in NYC. Like you needed to be Donald Trump (pre-presidency) or a body guard for a politician to get permits?!
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:30 PM (UPoLF)

I believe that's a permit just to buy, like the FOID in Illinois.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 08:33 PM (nakwk)

343 hogmartin

Nice cartoon. This is so true.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 29, 2020 08:34 PM (u82oZ)

344 Always buy the correct ammo for a firearm.

(Evergreen advice)
Posted by:




wouldn't it be "buy something in .223 wylde?"

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 08:34 PM (4Jold)

345 What *is* the best gun to carry for someone recovering from a heart attack?
Posted by: Robert at November 29, 2020 07:56 PM (ehRNX)

The gun you can operate reliably and shoot accurately.

That might be a 1911, that might be a .22 revolver, or a .380 auto, or a full sized like a Glock 17.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 08:34 PM (d1uFV)

346 338 Um...what is that in plain English?
Posted by: Ladyl

Always buy the correct ammo for a firearm.

(Evergreen advice)
Posted by: Tonypete at November 29, 2020 08:32 PM (Rvt8


I'm realizing all the ways I can screw up with a firearm. Gulp.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:35 PM (TdMsT)

347 My 6.5 is a 6.5TC/U single shot TC Contender I got for Silhouette shooting. Great on those 200 yd Rams. The TC/U cartridge is a .223 necked up the 6.5.
Fun cartridge, very accurate barrel (minus the defective nut on the trigger,) but surprisingly a big jump on recoil compared to my .223 Contender. Might be the to thrown on a good muzzle brake.

Posted by: Fritzy at November 29, 2020 08:35 PM (VY+MJ)

348 Posted by: JROD at November 29, 2020 08:32 PM (0jZnq)

All those poor Glock 37 (.45 GAP) owners.

Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 08:35 PM (2DOZq)

349 what's a cubit?
Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 08:33 PM (4Jold)

if serious: the length from the point of your elbow to the tip of middle finger. Old, old measuring method.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 08:35 PM (d1uFV)

350 I'm realizing all the ways I can screw up with a firearm. Gulp.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:35 PM (TdMsT)
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Nah. You have this.

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 08:35 PM (MVjcR)

351 Whoa, what?!

I thought that gun permits with an urban legend in NYC. Like you needed to be Donald Trump (pre-presidency) or a body guard for a politician to get permits?!
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:30 PM (UPoLF)

I believe that's a permit just to buy, like the FOID in Illinois.
Posted by:




first you have to apply to get a permit to buy, which used to cost about $600, just to apply.

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 08:35 PM (4Jold)

352 Mark Andrew Edwards

For Anna Puma

Arc Lights from several B-52s.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 29, 2020 08:36 PM (u82oZ)

353 Thanks Mark.
I don't think the meth is as bad there as it used to be. Now, the Mountain Loop Highway is a really good place to avoid.
Not bad in winter but the trail heads up there are notorious for vandals and thieves. No cell service either so you are in fact, on your own.
I never go there anymore even if it was convenient.

Posted by: Winston dreg of society at November 29, 2020 08:36 PM (Drr5h)

354 i thought it was Anna Puma who was talking about being at Tom Petty's last concert here in Lost Angels...

Posted by: redc1c4, Trump Won! at November 29, 2020 08:36 PM (kTGYg)

355 if serious: the length from the point of your elbow to the tip of middle finger. Old, old measuring method.
Posted by: M




right

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 08:36 PM (4Jold)

356 https://stoatnet.org/infall.png
Posted by: hogmartin at November 29, 2020 08:32 PM (t+qrx)

This is the way

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 08:36 PM (d1uFV)

357 I thought that gun permits with an urban legend in
NYC. Like you needed to be Donald Trump (pre-presidency) or a body guard
for a politician to get permits?!

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:30 PM (UPoLF)

That would be a conceal carry permit. The only way you can get one of those is if you are a celebrity or know someone.I was surprised I did get the handgun permit. Look back in the gun thread archives to around mid October 2019, Weasel published what I had to do in order to get that permit.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 08:37 PM (uyKdz)

358 Why should I follow the rules when no one else is.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 29, 2020 08:31 PM (U2p+3)


Because you might have to use it.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 29, 2020 08:37 PM (t+qrx)

359 Greenies aren't that accurate compared match ammo but they get the job done. They're "hottest" and most reliable 223/556 you can buy or load. It's great brass for reloading too.

Posted by: ck at November 29, 2020 08:37 PM (iBg56)

360 222 .. "I love BP shooting, it's like holding history in your hands."

irongrampa,

Nicely phrased and so true. BTW, the Rogers and Spencer has become my second favorite BP revolver after the Ruger Old Army. Now I know why the R and S is so popular with the competition shooters.

Posted by: JTB at November 29, 2020 08:37 PM (7EjX1)

361

An interesting video on gun types and calibers, and choosing a firearm and caliber:

The Best Handgun Caliber - A Real World Study Rational Preps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nycYxb-zNwc&ab_channel=RationalPreps


He uses, with permission, the data from a 10 year study by Greg Ellifritz, and provides a link to the study.

It's worth watching, but I'm uncertain about some of the intermediate conclusions, specifically that .380 is about as effective in stopping an assailant as .357 or .44 Mag. I'm reminded of the Miami Shootout and the reason for the US Army's change from the .38 to the .45ACP

Still, the video has data that I do not, and it may be that the data is correct, provided that the assailant is not as committed to fighting as the Miami perps were.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 29, 2020 08:37 PM (FlRtG)

362 I believe that's a permit just to buy, like the FOID in Illinois.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 08:33 PM (nakwk)

Oh, that makes a bit more sense.

I never even bothered to look in to it, but I know my buddy who is a cop in CT applied for a carry permit in NY (he owns land upstate) and he was given a "transport permit" which allowed him to transport his guns to the range, or something silly. Basically they said "nah, bro"

And that's in upstate. And he's a cop in a neighboring state.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:38 PM (UPoLF)

363 350 I'm realizing all the ways I can screw up with a firearm. Gulp.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:35 PM (TdMsT)
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Nah. You have this.
Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 08:35 PM (MVjcR)


Thanks, Weasel..

There is a lot of support here and I am grateful for it.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:38 PM (TdMsT)

364 Harry (and whig), I don't know if it's still the case, but for years The High Road (gun forum/blog) had a "date of birth" thread in the revolver section for S&W and maybe Colt revolvers (people with the reference books provide the answers). Might be an easy option to get a date of manufacture based on type and serial number. I dated all my older Smith and Colt revolvers that way.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 29, 2020 08:38 PM (OTzUX)

365 Thanks for the Gun Thread Weasel! Good stuff!

Posted by: DBCooper at November 29, 2020 08:38 PM (y1Mvi)

366 353 Thanks Mark.
I don't think the meth is as bad there as it used to be. Now, the Mountain Loop Highway is a really good place to avoid.
Not bad in winter but the trail heads up there are notorious for vandals and thieves. No cell service either so you are in fact, on your own.
I never go there anymore even if it was convenient.
Posted by: Winston dreg of society at November 29, 2020 08:36 PM (Drr5h)

It is outside cell service area, but I pack a med kit and I'm a large armed mammal. So far, no problems.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 08:38 PM (d1uFV)

367 Ladyl, what hogmartin said. Just write .556 on your hand then go get one.

Posted by: Old Blue - Deplorable Trump Chump at November 29, 2020 08:39 PM (VNmG1)

368 I'm realizing all the ways I can screw up with a firearm. Gulp.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:35 PM (TdMsT)

---
get good training from a NRA certified instructor: that way you learn right the first time, and don't have to break any bad habits.

that's one reason why Resident 3vil generally shoots better than me...

Posted by: redc1c4, Trump Won! at November 29, 2020 08:39 PM (kTGYg)

369 You're going to be there in the spring? Lucky...
Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 08:12 PM (nakwk)


Well damn.. lucky for sure!

Posted by: Jewells45TRUMPWON! at November 29, 2020 08:39 PM (nxdel)

370 "Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 08:30 PM (d1uFV) "

"https://stoatnet.org/infall.png

Posted by: hogmartin at November 29, 2020 08:32 PM (t+qrx) "



*fistbump*

*+ LOL !*

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 TRUMP WON! at November 29, 2020 08:39 PM (/On2j)

371 Posted by: DBCooper at November 29, 2020 08:38 PM (y1Mvi)
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My pleasure, bro!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 08:39 PM (MVjcR)

372 that .380 is about as effective in stopping an assailant as .357 or .44 Mag


Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 29, 2020 08:39 PM (EgshT)

373 But still, it's a complete 180 from a year ago, where she was saying "we need to ban all guns!"
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:25 PM (UPoLF)


When President Biden/Harris gets in they will push for gun "buy backs" and/or mandatory registration after redefining all semi-auto rifles as 'machine guns'.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 29, 2020 08:40 PM (/Dgcm)

374 JTB,

I think the .32 had a four inch barrel. It was my friend's CCW weapon for awhile. I need to touch base with her and see if they have any guns they want to sell.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward at November 29, 2020 08:40 PM (YynYJ)

375 That would be a conceal carry permit. The only way you can get one of those is if you are a celebrity or know someone.I was surprised I did get the handgun permit. Look back in the gun thread archives to around mid October 2019, Weasel published what I had to do in order to get that permit.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 08:37 PM (uyKdz)

Got you. My frame of reference is NH, a constitutional carry state. The only reason I got a permit there was due to reciprocity in other states. I don't really pay attention to gun laws. I probably should.

Maybe for my next CLE, I'll see if one of Andrew Branca's courses will qualify.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:40 PM (UPoLF)

376 Because you might have to use it.
Posted by: hogmartin

If I have to pull a firearm, I wasnt the first one to break the law.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 29, 2020 08:40 PM (U2p+3)

377
---
get good training from a NRA certified instructor: that way you learn right the first time, and don't have to break any bad habits.

that's one reason why Resident 3vil generally shoots better than me...
Posted by: redc1c4, Trump Won! at November 29, 2020 08:39 PM (kTGYg)


I want to get something before January. I'll have to put it aside until the second week in February, when I'll have more time to get instruction.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:41 PM (TdMsT)

378 When President Biden/Harris gets in they will push for gun "buy backs" and/or mandatory registration after redefining all semi-auto rifles as 'machine guns'.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 29, 2020 08:40 PM (/Dgcm)

Ehhh, we'll see.

Their "defund the police" left flank are suddenly super pro-2A it looks like.

Which I think could be good news for us.

...Or it could be horrible news. Time will tell.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:41 PM (UPoLF)

379 JTB,

I think the .32 had a four inch barrel. It was my friend's CCW weapon for awhile. I need to touch base with her and see if they have any guns they want to sell.
Posted by: Notsothoreau - look forward

I'm STILL willing to mail you a PBJ anytime you want one !

Posted by: JT at November 29, 2020 08:42 PM (arJlL)

380 {{{Ladyl}}}

How did your tennis turn out?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 29, 2020 08:42 PM (u82oZ)

381 I believe that's a permit just to buy, like the FOID in Illinois.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 08:33 PM (nakwk)

Hi Insom, my permit let's me purchase a handgun. I can only purchase one every 90 days. Before I buy the gun I have to submit a form to get permission to purchase. This form will have the make/model, caliber and barrel length on it. Once this is approved I have 30 days to purchase the weapon. And after I purchase and take possession of the firearm I have 3 days in which I have to bring the firearm down to 1 Police Plaza for "inspection". At this time the serial # of the firearm will be added to my license and I can go home.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 08:42 PM (uyKdz)

382 I never even bothered to look in to it, but I know my buddy who is a cop in CT applied for a carry permit in NY (he owns land upstate) and he was given a "transport permit" which allowed him to transport his guns to the range, or something silly. Basically they said "nah, bro"

And that's in upstate. And he's a cop in a neighboring state.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:38 PM (UPoLF)

The People's Glorious Democratic Republic of New York isn't too keen on the right to keep arms, let alone bear them.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 08:42 PM (nakwk)

383 they are not going to grab you guns, they want to tax them.

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 08:42 PM (4Jold)

384 Hi Insom, my permit let's me purchase a handgun. I can only purchase one every 90 days. Before I buy the gun I have to submit a form to get permission to purchase. This form will have the make/model, caliber and barrel length on it. Once this is approved I have 30 days to purchase the weapon. And after I purchase and take possession of the firearm I have 3 days in which I have to bring the firearm down to 1 Police Plaza for "inspection". At this time the serial # of the firearm will be added to my license and I can go home.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 08:42 PM (uyKdz)

Sounds like a huge pain in the ass.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:43 PM (UPoLF)

385 The Best Handgun Caliber - A Real World Study Rational Preps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nycYxb-zNwc&ab_channel=RationalPreps


He uses, with permission, the data from a 10 year study by Greg Ellifritz, and provides a link to the study.

It's worth watching, but I'm uncertain about some of the intermediate conclusions, specifically that .380 is about as effective in stopping an assailant as .357 or .44 Mag. I'm reminded of the Miami Shootout and the reason for the US Army's change from the .38 to the .45ACP

Still, the video has data that I do not, and it may be that the data is correct, provided that the assailant is not as committed to fighting as the Miami perps were.
Posted by: Arbalest at November 29, 2020 08:37 PM (FlRtG)

Going by gunfight data gets you into some...weird areas. Like the fact that practically no one actually gets shot with a .44 magnum, but lots do get shot with .380s and .22 LR.

There are three kinds of stops, the first kind where you shot someone with ANYTHING and the bad guy goes 'I've been shot' and gives up, runs away, dies.

The second kind is where you get a CNS or liver hit and get taken out immediately.

The third is flesh wounds, organ hits that might be deadly but not immediately, those usually bleed out but motivated mammals can fight through them, even heart hits oddly enough.

Any gun is good for the first hit, almost any gun is good for the second hit (if it can punch the skull or spine), its the third hits where you start to fuss about caliber.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 08:43 PM (d1uFV)

386 235 ... "Although that Heritage .22 looks mighty fine."

Old Blue,
Be very, very careful. The Heritage Rough Rider is a LOT of fun.

Posted by: JTB at November 29, 2020 08:43 PM (7EjX1)

387 Grab, tax.
A distinction without a difference...

Posted by: attila the temporarily reasonable at November 29, 2020 08:43 PM (w7KSn)

388 Mark
That's exactly what you need to be up there. Sultan Basin is a good place for shooting.
I have desert over here. It's nice.

Posted by: Winston dreg of society at November 29, 2020 08:43 PM (Drr5h)

389 No range visit this week, not until the mask shit settles down because I can't see shit with my glasses fogged up from said mask.

Rabble.

But it was nice enough yesterday to warrant a wood hike. So I took my Benelli Super 90 and my CZ P-07 and went for a walk. Learned a few things, mostly negative but...there you go.

First, the Benelli was a single shot. Fucking expensive single shot. Shot carrier would not elevate the next round up into the chamber. Every time, I'd have to tap it in. Unamused. So it's off home defense duties until I figure out what and why. Instead, I have my Remington 11-48 in its place.

Next negative thing is.... a Benelli Super 90 with a six shell shot carrier on the side of the receiver makes for an awkward weapon. Slung, either the shot side saddle or the bolt handle digs into you. Carried one handed, the side saddle makes for awkward carry at point of balance.

Two handed, it's fine and lighter than my Remington 870 Police Magnum.

Recoil is mild, very mild with the Benelli 'defensive' shot shells (felt underpowered, actually)

So the Benelli is benched.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Try taking off the side saddle in the Super90. The mass could be screwing the interial system.

Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2020 08:44 PM (Xih1H)

390 LadyL,

Every firearm has a chamber that contains the unfired cartridge with the brass case, primer, powder and bullet composing the cartridge. For the most part, aside from some revolver cartridges, you must fire only the cartridge labeled on the firearm in order to be safe.

The military uses a cartridge in service labeled the 5.56x45 mm NATO which was derived from varminting round (high velocity, designed to kill rats, prairie dogs, etc.)-the .222 Remington which was lengthened to hold more powder and a bit heavier bullet. Then the commercial line was the .223 Remington while the military's cartridge used metric 5.56x45 NATO as name for the issued cartridge (same as the .308 Winchester (civilian) and the 7.62 x 51 NATO for the military cartridge.)

The major difference is the distance from the bullet in the unfired cartridge to the beginning of the barrel's rifling--the rifle chamber is just to hold and fire the cartridge while the bullet goes after being fired through a space called freebore, lede, throat, etc. to where the rifling in the barrel begins that starts to spin the bullet and the bullet actually is engraved with the rifling of the barrel on the bullet itself which is how forensic scientists can allegedly identify which barrel a bullet was fired from.

The lede/throate/freebore of a rifle barrel which is the where the fired bullet travels before engaging in the rifling (the grooves and lands) is shorter in a .223 than a 5.56 because the military does things that civilians do not normally do such as mag dumps, firing in sand, wind, rain, in hot and cold, compromised ammo, and so on.

The military for general issue does not care that much about accuracy other than minute of man if the tradeoff is reliability. So most military chambers are a bit more generous in their dimensions than civilian chambers--thus the .223 versus 5.56 difference.

Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 08:44 PM (pO7gM)

391 Hi Insom, my permit let's me purchase a handgun. I can only purchase one every 90 days. Before I buy the gun I have to submit a form to get permission to purchase. This form will have the make/model, caliber and barrel length on it. Once this is approved I have 30 days to purchase the weapon. And after I purchase and take possession of the firearm I have 3 days in which I have to bring the firearm down to 1 Police Plaza for "inspection". At this time the serial # of the firearm will be added to my license and I can go home.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 08:42 PM (uyKdz)

Lot of typing just to tell me I was right. LOL

I do appreciate the info, seriously. The restrictions there are nuts.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 08:44 PM (nakwk)

392 If I have to pull a firearm, I wasnt the first one to break the law.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 29, 2020 08:40 PM (U2p+3)


Consider the parable of Kyle Rittenhouse and Lefty Grosskreuz. Both were armed. One - the one currently being persecuted - was legally armed. The other - the one-armed one - was illegally armed, and free as a bird. I don't trust any prosecutor THAT much.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 29, 2020 08:44 PM (t+qrx)

393 Grab, tax.
A distinction without a difference...
Posted by:


I want nothing to do with either but would rather pay a tax than forfeit the gun.

either way, fuck them.

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 08:45 PM (4Jold)

394 380 {{{Ladyl}}}

How did your tennis turn out?
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 29, 2020 08:42 PM (u82oZ)


{{{Salty Dog}}}


If you mean nationals, I go in February.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:45 PM (TdMsT)

395 Still reading the comments. But before I get to the end:

In my experience/training, you finish the trigger pull at the end of the exhale. Nothing left in your lungs. The reason being that letting half of your breath out and then trying to shoot is putting your body in a state that it is not accustomed to. When do you do anything with half a lung full? All the way in, or all the way out.

That said, you can only spend 6-8 seconds at full exhale before you will start to see spots and demand oxygen. If you go beyond that, reset and take a deep breath, exhale and begin again. Know how you're going to take the shot (holdover, wind call, etc.) before you finish breathing so that you don't have to make last-second adjustments. (note: everything else should be set. No moving legs, arms, bag squeeze, eye relief, bipod load, etc.)

Signed, a fellow F-class shooter.

Posted by: Semper Why at November 29, 2020 08:45 PM (n2HiV)

396 @348 Mr. Meeseeks-Might be a twisted way to look at it, but if I cant roll a body over and have a good chance of finding a common (NATO?) round, its not gonna do you much good owning firearm chambered for a bastard cartridge.

Posted by: JROD at November 29, 2020 08:45 PM (0jZnq)

397 Gubs!

Picked up for my youngest his first rifle, a Savage Rascal, for Christmas/Birthday. Compared to the Henry mini bolt youth I got for my oldest, this trigger seems smoother. At the same visit, I found '06 brass, 165 partitions, and IMR4350.


I could not believe my luck.

Posted by: flounder at November 29, 2020 08:46 PM (KnJdm)

398 Sounds like a huge pain in the ass.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:43 PM (UPoLF

It is. Thankfully I do not have to do that when purchasing a rifle/shotgun. I can only buy 1 every 90 days but all I have to do is mail the necessary form in by the 3rd day of taking possession.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 08:46 PM (uyKdz)

399 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 08:43 PM (d1uFV)

I'd prefer not to get shot at all...

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 08:46 PM (nakwk)

400 The People's Glorious Democratic Republic of New York isn't too keen on the right to keep arms, let alone bear them.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 08:42 PM (nakwk)

Yeah. There's a federal law that supposedly allows him (as a cop) to conceal carry anywhere in the US, so he wasn't too worried. But he was a bit miffed. Like "I tried to follow their laws, but they basically told me to go fuck myself"

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:46 PM (UPoLF)

401 the local toy store did a chamber casting of it, and almost couldn't remove it.

This reminds me of something I've been meaning to ask. Has anyone done their own chamber casting? What would I need besides a block of Cerrosafe and a propane torch? Can it be done with the barrel installed on the receiver?

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 29, 2020 08:46 PM (qc+VF)

402 Try taking off the side saddle in the Super90. The mass could be screwing the interial system.
Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2020 08:44 PM (Xih1H)

That's good advice.

I will add that I've tested this shotty before, but not for a long, long time. And last tested, shotgun functioned fine with the side saddle. Since then, it has sat and gathered dust by the garbage can. (long story)

So it worked once, something is hinkey now. Maybe springs? Maybe needs yet more cleaning and lube?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 08:47 PM (d1uFV)

403 364 Rhomboid,
Yes the THR does, unfortunately, a lot of the good ole gents have departed for a heavenly climate.

I have the Supica book myself and am generally reluctant to bandy about serial numbers in open forums even with the serial numbers a couple of digits obscured.

Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 08:47 PM (pO7gM)

404 K thought cops could carry just about anywhere, except federal court houses and airplanes

Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2020 08:47 PM (Xih1H)

405 >>> 244 122 115 I liked AltonJackson's gun I shot at the TX MoMe, but I haven't been able to procure one yet. Not for lack of trying, but because nobody has it.
Posted by: Jordan61 - 2020 TX MoMe Bacon Wench
TRUMP WON
at November 29, 2020 07:39 PM (KuT6N)


I want an AR15.

But it makes no sense for me to have one.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 07:41 PM (TdMsT)

Wha? It makes ALL the sense.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 08:08 PM (nakwk)

Insomniac Johnson is right!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 29, 2020 08:47 PM (02b6n)

406 I don't go anywhere without my KelTec P-3AT. It's my backup to my carry but when I 'can't' carry, the P-3AT is in my pocket. Metal detectors are my only deterrent.

I went to the US Clay Court Tennis Championship tournament last year and about to go through the metal detector when I remembered that I had forgotten to take it out and put in the trunk as I had my carry. I had to trek back a mile to the car .

Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 08:47 PM (2DOZq)

407

Every firearm has a chamber that contains the unfired cartridge with the brass case, primer, powder and bullet composing the cartridge. For the most part, aside from some revolver cartridges, you must fire only the cartridge labeled on the firearm in order to be safe.

The military uses a cartridge in service labeled the 5.56x45 mm NATO which was derived from varminting round (high velocity, designed to kill rats, prairie dogs, etc.)-the .222 Remington which was lengthened to hold more powder and a bit heavier bullet. Then the commercial line was the .223 Remington while the military's cartridge used metric 5.56x45 NATO as name for the issued cartridge (same as the .308 Winchester (civilian) and the 7.62 x 51 NATO for the military cartridge.)

The major difference is the distance from the bullet in the unfired cartridge to the beginning of the barrel's rifling--the rifle chamber is just to hold and fire the cartridge while the bullet goes after being fired through a space called freebore, lede, throat, etc. to where the rifling in the barrel begins that starts to spin the bullet and the bullet actually is engraved with the rifling of the barrel on the bullet itself which is how forensic scientists can allegedly identify which barrel a bullet was fired from.

The lede/throate/freebore of a rifle barrel which is the where the fired bullet travels before engaging in the rifling (the grooves and lands) is shorter in a .223 than a 5.56 because the military does things that civilians do not normally do such as mag dumps, firing in sand, wind, rain, in hot and cold, compromised ammo, and so on.

The military for general issue does not care that much about accuracy other than minute of man if the tradeoff is reliability. So most military chambers are a bit more generous in their dimensions than civilian chambers--thus the .223 versus 5.56 difference.

Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 08:44 PM (pO7gM)


I'm amazed at the expertise here. I actually understood this.

Thank you.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:47 PM (TdMsT)

408 Mr. Meeseeks @ 348- 45GAP, .357Sig, that's why I stay away from what I call weird calibers. Now before I get my tit hammered I want to say it's not because they are bad or weak calibers, after all I have a .40 S and W. I just like 9mm, .45ACP, a little .380 here and there, and a smattering of 10mm. And of course .22lr and .22mag. But just those in handguns, except for an odd .32 S and W about.

Posted by: Eromero at November 29, 2020 08:48 PM (XhWtx)

409 Before I buy the gun I have to submit a form to get permission to
purchase. This form will have the make/model, caliber and barrel length
on it. Once this is approved I have 30 days to purchase the weapon. And
after I purchase and take possession of the firearm I have 3 days in
which I have to bring the firearm down to 1 Police Plaza for
"inspection". At this time the serial # of the firearm will be added to
my license and I can go home.


That sure don't sound like the America I grew up in. That's horrific.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 29, 2020 08:48 PM (EgshT)

410 Hogmartin,
Kyle knowingly entered a combat zone with the intention of fighting.

I will be going to work, or the grocery store.

If we keep playing by the rules, we will lose.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 29, 2020 08:48 PM (U2p+3)

411 {{{Helena}}}

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:48 PM (TdMsT)

412 399 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 08:43 PM (d1uFV)

I'd prefer not to get shot at all...
Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 08:46 PM (nakwk)

So do I, and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide.

If Biden is allowed to seize power via fraud, there will be shooting. Probably even if he's denied seizing power via fraud.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 08:48 PM (d1uFV)

413
Insomniac Johnson is right!
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 29, 2020 08:47 PM (02b6n)

Hey Helena! How ya doing?

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 08:48 PM (nakwk)

414 Weasel, thanks again for an informative thread.
Have a good night everyone!!! Stay safe!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 08:48 PM (uyKdz)

415 In my experience/training, you finish the trigger pull at the end of the exhale.

Posted by: Semper Why at November 29, 2020 08:45 PM (n2HiV)
--------
It may have been lost in the details up above, but that's my method. Bottom of the exhale.

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 08:49 PM (MVjcR)

416 Godspeed, Anna Puma.

Posted by: flounder at November 29, 2020 08:49 PM (KnJdm)

417 Tax the bullets!

Posted by: Kris Rokk at November 29, 2020 08:49 PM (63Dwl)

418 I will be going to work, or the grocery store.

If we keep playing by the rules, we will lose.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 29, 2020 08:48 PM (U2p+3)


If you're not permitted to carry and you're carrying there, then you're already committing the crime. I don't trust any prosecutor that much, and if they want to get me, they're going to have to fight for it.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 29, 2020 08:50 PM (t+qrx)

419 Helena Handbasket, hugs to you and your lovely Mom.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 29, 2020 08:50 PM (J9prb)

420 So it worked once, something is hinkey now. Maybe springs? Maybe needs yet more cleaning and lube?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 08:47 PM (d1uFV)

I worked at HK during rhe tests for Marines and Army with the Benelli s, 20K round tests, mud, ice, etc. You should not be having a problem. How the lift gate feel, it should have some authority to it.

Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2020 08:50 PM (Xih1H)

421 I liked AltonJackson's gun I shot at the TX MoMe, but I haven't been
able to procure one yet. Not for lack of trying, but because nobody has
it.

Posted by: Jordan61 - 2020 TX MoMe Bacon Wench TRUMP WON at November 29, 2020 07:39 PM (KuT6N)


Let me know what it is and I will keep an eye out, locally.

Posted by: flounder at November 29, 2020 08:50 PM (KnJdm)

422 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 08:48 PM (uyKdz)
----
'night, amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 08:51 PM (MVjcR)

423 It may have been lost in the details up above, but that's my method. Bottom of the exhale.
Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 08:49 PM (MVjcR)


I remember that from your coaching.

It was very helpful.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:51 PM (TdMsT)

424 If Biden is allowed to seize power via fraud, there will be shooting. Probably even if he's denied seizing power via fraud.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 08:48 PM (d1uFV)

Ugh. Hard to say which is more likely to lead to shooting. I'd give the latter the edge.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 08:51 PM (nakwk)

425 Let me know what it is and I will keep an eye out, locally.
Posted by: flounder at November 29, 2020 08:50 PM (KnJdm)


She's looking for a RIA USGI 1911.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 29, 2020 08:51 PM (t+qrx)

426 Weasel, thanks again for an informative thread.
Have a good night everyone!!! Stay safe!!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude

Backatcha Scuba_Dude !

Posted by: JT at November 29, 2020 08:51 PM (arJlL)

427 I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 29, 2020 08:51 PM (U2p+3)

428 404 K thought cops could carry just about anywhere, except federal court houses and airplanes
Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2020 08:47 PM (Xih1H)

Yeah, there's a federal law that allows it. But if state law says one thing, and federal says another, federal law theoretically takes precedence.

But do you really want to be the one to test that? Like if a local cop in NY is having a bad day, and the prosecutor is an anti gun zealot...

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:51 PM (UPoLF)

429 Hi Insom, my permit let's me purchase a handgun. I can only purchase one every 90 days. Before I buy the gun I have to submit a form to get permission to purchase. This form will have the make/model, caliber and barrel length on it. Once this is approved I have 30 days to purchase the weapon. And after I purchase and take possession of the firearm I have 3 days in which I have to bring the firearm down to 1 Police Plaza for "inspection". At this time the serial # of the firearm will be added to my license and I can go home.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 29, 2020 08:42 PM (uyKdz)

Sounds like a huge pain in the ass.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes


I feel bad for anyone that has to go through that.

I log on to Bud's Guns. Pick a gun. Put it in my shopping cart. Check out and pay.
It gets sent to my local FFL. I go in to the shop, fill out the 4473, show my CHL, pay the transfer fee and walk out. 15 minutes. No cops.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 29, 2020 08:52 PM (sNYFR)

430 Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:51 PM (TdMsT)
-----
Look forward to working with you again next year!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 08:53 PM (MVjcR)

431 I log on to Bud's Guns. Pick a gun. Put it in my shopping cart. Check out and pay.
It gets sent to my local FFL. I go in to the shop, fill out the 4473, show my CHL, pay the transfer fee and walk out. 15 minutes. No cops.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 29, 2020 08:52 PM (sNYFR)

Same here, essentially.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 08:53 PM (nakwk)

432 LadyL and anyone else:

lost of lower receivers (the part where the trigger, etc is) are marked "multi" these days, because so many different barrels can be installed in an AR.

if so, the chambering will be available stamped on the barrel, close to the muzzle, which is where the freedom seed exits.

this is especially important if you are buying an assembled upper to attach to a lower purchased separately.

the twist rate will be stamped there too.

from the reading i have done, a 1:8 twist rate is the best compromise for the various loadings available commercially.

the original AR rate was 1:14, then the Army went with 1:12 for the A1, then 1:8 for the A2. no idea where they are currently, having been out for 17 years now.

i recently found someone who makes a 1:14, so i will, when they have them in stock and i have monies, be getting one for a retro build, because i can.

Posted by: redc1c4, Trump Won! at November 29, 2020 08:53 PM (kTGYg)

433 She's looking for a RIA USGI 1911.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 29, 2020 08:51 PM (t+qrx)

Ooh, that's specific. There were some nice Springfield 1911s at the shop today. I was surprised the stock that they did have on hand.

Posted by: flounder at November 29, 2020 08:53 PM (KnJdm)

434 Before I buy the gun I have to submit a form to get permission to
purchase. This form will have the make/model, caliber and barrel length
on it. Once this is approved I have 30 days to purchase the weapon. And
after I purchase and take possession of the firearm I have 3 days in
which I have to bring the firearm down to 1 Police Plaza for
"inspection". At this time the serial # of the firearm will be added to
my license and I can go home

does going homeome require a passport

Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2020 08:53 PM (Xih1H)

435 If you mean nationals, I go in February.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:45 PM (TdMsT)

If you happen to pass through Houston on your way to Corsicana I'd be happy to take you to my tennis club for a game and lunch.

Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 08:53 PM (2DOZq)

436 I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 29, 2020 08:51 PM (U2p+3)


Are carry permits seriously not obtainable there? I have reciprocity there, so it should be doable.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 29, 2020 08:54 PM (t+qrx)

437 424 If Biden is allowed to seize power via fraud, there will be shooting. Probably even if he's denied seizing power via fraud.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 08:48 PM (d1uFV)

Ugh. Hard to say which is more likely to lead to shooting. I'd give the latter the edge.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 08:51 PM (nakwk)

Yeah, I think Biden will be inaugurated, and we won't do anything about it. Which, I mean, honestly, is not a bad thing. I don't want to see any kind of violence.

But if Trump somehow pulls this all off and remains president, I absolutely expect craziness, including violence.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:54 PM (UPoLF)

438 420 So it worked once, something is hinkey now. Maybe springs? Maybe needs yet more cleaning and lube?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 08:47 PM (d1uFV)

I worked at HK during rhe tests for Marines and Army with the Benelli s, 20K round tests, mud, ice, etc. You should not be having a problem. How the lift gate feel, it should have some authority to it.
Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2020 08:50 PM (Xih1H)

Not sure what to compare it to, but it feels...light? Makes me think springs.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 08:54 PM (d1uFV)

439 I feel bad for anyone that has to go through that.



I log on to Bud's Guns. Pick a gun. Put it in my shopping cart. Check out and pay.

It gets sent to my local FFL. I go in to the shop, fill out the
4473, show my CHL, pay the transfer fee and walk out. 15 minutes. No
cops.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 29, 2020 08:52 PM (sNYFR)

Speaking of the 4473, the latest form has male/female/non-binary, AND the ever present question on whether you are a mental defective. Reconcile that.

Posted by: flounder at November 29, 2020 08:54 PM (KnJdm)

440 435 If you mean nationals, I go in February.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:45 PM (TdMsT)

If you happen to pass through Houston on your way to Corsicana I'd be happy to take you to my tennis club for a game and lunch.
Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 08:53 PM (2DOZq)


How very nice!

I don't know what the plans are yet!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:55 PM (TdMsT)

441 I feel bad for anyone that has to go through that.


Yep. In and out the door in less than a half an hour. Of course I never do that because once I'm in the shop, it's impossible to drag me back out. Heh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 29, 2020 08:55 PM (EgshT)

442 I log on to Bud's Guns. Pick a gun....

Then find out its backordered Try again three times and give up ...

Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2020 08:55 PM (Xih1H)

443 they did a scientific study on exactly how may firearms one person should own...

they discovered that the perfect amount is "one more".

you're welcome!


Posted by: redc1c4, Trump Won! at November 29, 2020 08:55 PM (kTGYg)

444 Ooh, that's specific. There were some nice Springfield 1911s at the shop today. I was surprised the stock that they did have on hand.
Posted by: flounder at November 29, 2020 08:53 PM (KnJdm)


I think any full-size M1911A1 will do, but RIA makes one at a compelling price.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 29, 2020 08:55 PM (t+qrx)

445 Why should I follow the rules when no one else is.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 29, 2020 08:31 PM (U2p+3)

Because you might have to use it.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 29, 2020 08:37 PM (t+qrx)


Maybe if you carry in a brown paper bag it would be kosher?
Like a 40oz.

I think one state had a ruling that you only needed a permit to carry concealed on your body.... but if the gun was in a bag that you were carrying you did not need a permit.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 29, 2020 08:55 PM (/Dgcm)

446 You all give me hope and faith. Ace does too, when he's not building shelves or making pancakes.

Posted by: Frasier Crane at November 29, 2020 08:55 PM (CWMF2)

447 The USPS is reporting that they will be delivering twice as many Santa Letters this year than were actually written.

So that's nice.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 29, 2020 08:56 PM (U8yWc)

448 Or it could be horrible news. Time will tell.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:41 PM (UPoLF)


Remember they lie as easily as they breathe!

Posted by: Commissar-Elect Hrothgar - I Have Earned, And Deserve, Different Rules! at November 29, 2020 08:56 PM (87oRe)

449 the original AR rate was 1:14, then the Army went
with 1:12 for the A1, then 1:8 for the A2. no idea where they are
currently, having been out for 17 years now.

i recently found
someone who makes a 1:14, so i will, when they have them in stock and i
have monies, be getting one for a retro build, because i can.


Posted by: redc1c4, Trump Won! at November 29, 2020 08:53 PM (kTGYg)

The latest are spec'd 1:7 to stabilize 62 grain and up.

Posted by: flounder at November 29, 2020 08:56 PM (KnJdm)

450 Tax the bullets!
Posted by: Kris Rokk

"All bullets should cost ten thousand dollars"

(Sees dead body)

"Well, he musta done SOMETHIN', they put fiddy thousand dollars worth of bullets in his ass !"

Posted by: JT at November 29, 2020 08:56 PM (arJlL)

451
i recently found someone who makes a 1:14, so i will, when they have them in stock and i have monies, be getting one for a retro build, because i can.
Posted by: redc1c4, Trump Won! at November 29, 2020 08:53 PM (kTGYg)


Thank you, redc. My first purchase will only be a handgun!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:56 PM (TdMsT)

452 437 424 If Biden is allowed to seize power via fraud, there will be shooting. Probably even if he's denied seizing power via fraud.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 08:48 PM (d1uFV)

Ugh. Hard to say which is more likely to lead to shooting. I'd give the latter the edge.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 08:51 PM (nakwk)

Yeah, I think Biden will be inaugurated, and we won't do anything about it. Which, I mean, honestly, is not a bad thing. I don't want to see any kind of violence.

But if Trump somehow pulls this all off and remains president, I absolutely expect craziness, including violence.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:54 PM (UPoLF)

No violence under any circumstances?

Because, make no mistake, if they can steal this election this blatantly, we don't live in a Republic. We live in an Oligarchy, a stone's throw from an autocracy.

If we're Americans, this HAS to be THE HILL. There are no hills after this one.

Either the third box is going to work, or folks will have to decide: fight or kneel.

Not picking on you, Harry. The issue just seems, morally and logically, clear.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 08:57 PM (d1uFV)

453 If Biden is allowed to seize power via fraud, there will be shooting. Probably even if he's denied seizing power via fraud.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 08:48 PM (d1uFV)

I think the second scenario is more likely to happen regard to bringing the violence.

Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 08:57 PM (2DOZq)

454 383 they are not going to grab you guns, they want to tax them*.

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 08:42 PM (4Jold)

* First they want to tax them, THEN they intend to grab them!

Posted by: Commissar-Elect Hrothgar - I Have Earned, And Deserve, Different Rules! at November 29, 2020 08:57 PM (87oRe)

455 I think any full-size M1911A1 will do, but RIA makes one at a compelling price.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 29, 2020 08:55 PM (t+qrx)

It's an excellent value. I got lucky on my 1911 (ParaUSA), a really nice one with a match grade barrel and fiber optic front sight because I caught it on a closeout at CDNN.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 08:57 PM (nakwk)

456 444
Ooh, that's specific. There were some nice Springfield 1911s at the
shop today. I was surprised the stock that they did have on hand.

Posted by: flounder at November 29, 2020 08:53 PM (KnJdm)



I think any full-size M1911A1 will do, but RIA makes one at a compelling price.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 29, 2020 08:55 PM (t+qrx)

They had at least one Ruger, as well. The one I was thinking about getting was the G17 gen 4. The one I was lusting after was a Bisley Vaquero in 45 LC.

Posted by: flounder at November 29, 2020 08:58 PM (KnJdm)

457 Not sure what to compare it to, but it feels...light? Makes me think springs.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Don't mess with main springs, but check the tube mag spring and lift lever.

Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2020 08:58 PM (Xih1H)

458 I feel bad for anyone that has to go through that.

I log on to Bud's Guns. Pick a gun. Put it in my shopping cart. Check out and pay.
It gets sent to my local FFL. I go in to the shop, fill out the 4473, show my CHL, pay the transfer fee and walk out. 15 minutes. No cops.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 29, 2020 08:52 PM (sNYFR)

Yeah. I got spoiled in NH.

Could buy a private party gun, no problem.

Go to a gun store, buy whatever I want. Fill out the form, run my credit card, and walk out with the gun. No hassle.

Even getting my pistol & revolver license was super easy. Fill out a short form including 3 references, give them $10, they had 14 days to either issue or not issue a permit, then they mailed me a carbon copy of the form I filled out (with the police chiefs signature on it).

My p&r permit is literally a piece of carbon paper. No picture, no finger prints, nothing. And it's good in 20 something states.

Only had to interact with the little old lady who worked the desk at the local PD.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:58 PM (UPoLF)

459 Weasel,
Moved a bit forward on my R700 project to the point of getting the bottom metal (PTG with removable magazines) and the remaining parts for the PTG bolt--ejector, etc.

Now it is down to the stock, barrel, and bedding.

Have a new takeoff .30-06 barrel that I may mount along with a factory polyurethane stock using pillar bedding just for the short duration to have something that will shoot (don't worry Weasel, I have the barrel wrenches, headspace gauges, and the know how to rebarrel a rifle safely and in a pinch, I have a good gunsmith if the barrel needs lathe work.

But am still intrigued by the .284 Winchester that you mentioned. Looking at the reload books, it is like a 7x57 Mauser that lives up to the potential of a 7mm without the barrel burning of its 6.5-284 daughter.

Pressure levels appear very decent and any of the heavy bullets that I use will also work in a pinch in my Mausers but I won't be able to chamber the .284 in them which is important.

BUT, I have always been an iron sights shooter or at worst, a fixed 4x, 6x etc. scope shooter. During the era I grew up in, iron sights were what you used in the military and I never really trusted scopes. And, I hate shooting from a bench after zeroing.

Would you mind terribly have an optics oriented thread on what to choose and why sometime in the future?

Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 08:59 PM (pO7gM)

460 Look forward to working with you again next year!
Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 08:53 PM (MVjcR)


Well--come to Texas in the Spring, too!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:59 PM (TdMsT)

461 The latest are spec'd 1:7 to stabilize 62 grain and up.

That has always been my preference.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 29, 2020 08:59 PM (EgshT)

462 Speaking of the 4473, the latest form has male/female/non-binary, AND the ever present question on whether you are a mental defective. Reconcile that.
Posted by: flounder


*snort.

11e.

Form 4473 Question 11e

Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?

Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 29, 2020 08:59 PM (sNYFR)

463 The latest are spec'd 1:7 to stabilize 62 grain and up.
Posted by: flounder at November 29, 2020 08:56 PM (KnJdm)


Hang on, I have a chart around here somewhere.

https://stoatnet.org/556twist.png

Posted by: hogmartin at November 29, 2020 08:59 PM (t+qrx)

464 I worked at HK during rhe tests for Marines and Army with the Benelli s, 20K round tests, mud, ice, etc. You should not be having a problem. How the lift gate feel, it should have some authority to it.
Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2020 08:50 PM (Xih1H)

Not sure what to compare it to, but it feels...light? Makes me think springs.
Posted by:




the marine benelli, m4, and the super 90 are diff, the 90 is inerrtia, the marine m4 is gas.

hanging a bunch of stuff off your 90 and or not shooting hot rounds is going to affect its ability to move the rounds.

Posted by: confederatefifth at November 29, 2020 08:59 PM (4Jold)

465 BUT, I have always been an iron sights shooter or at worst, a fixed 4x, 6x etc. scope shooter. During the era I grew up in, iron sights were what you used in the military and I never really trusted scopes. And, I hate shooting from a bench after zeroing.

Would you mind terribly have an optics oriented thread on what to choose and why sometime in the future?
Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 08:59 PM (pO7gM)
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Sure, although I will almost always recommend Nightforce optics. Feel free to email me if you want to discuss sooner.

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:01 PM (MVjcR)

466 457 Not sure what to compare it to, but it feels...light? Makes me think springs.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Don't mess with main springs, but check the tube mag spring and lift lever.
Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2020 08:58 PM (Xih1H)

Thankee, those were my top two suspects.

I love the shotty, otherwise. But I can't rely on a gun that doesn't always cycle and go bang.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 09:01 PM (d1uFV)

467 @408 Eromero-Get your tit hammered? Aw c'mon have some fun! Nothing like trying to start a riot or dodge a punch at a gun show or gun counter around old-timers by telling them what out dated hunks-a-junk M1 Garands and 1911's are!
Want your tits hammered? Try that out.

Posted by: JROD at November 29, 2020 09:01 PM (0jZnq)

468 449 the original AR rate was 1:14, then the Army went
with 1:12 for the A1, then 1:8 for the A2. no idea where they are
currently, having been out for 17 years now.

i recently found
someone who makes a 1:14, so i will, when they have them in stock and i
have monies, be getting one for a retro build, because i can.


Posted by: redc1c4, Trump Won! at November 29, 2020 08:53 PM (kTGYg)

The latest are spec'd 1:7 to stabilize 62 grain and up.
Posted by: flounder at November 29, 2020 08:56 PM (KnJdm)

Tighter twist is to stabilize heavier bullets for longer ranges... I run 1:7 77g match when I'm serious about doing it... and I'm a pretty serious person.

Posted by: Inogame - Trump Won at November 29, 2020 09:01 PM (+2xjH)

469 No violence under any circumstances?

Because, make no mistake, if they can steal this election this blatantly, we don't live in a Republic. We live in an Oligarchy, a stone's throw from an autocracy.

If we're Americans, this HAS to be THE HILL. There are no hills after this one.

Either the third box is going to work, or folks will have to decide: fight or kneel.

Not picking on you, Harry. The issue just seems, morally and logically, clear.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 08:57 PM (d1uFV)

I get what you're saying, but at the same time -- yes, I'd much rather avoid literal armed conflict and just continue on with my life over the alternative.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 09:01 PM (UPoLF)

470 Well--come to Texas in the Spring, too!
Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 08:59 PM (TdMsT)
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OK!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:01 PM (MVjcR)

471 Weasel, good night and Thank You. Glad you got to spend a little time among the pines.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 29, 2020 09:02 PM (J9prb)

472 Personally, I've been paying a LOT more attention to my Remington 870. I have plenty of buckshot, but I don't really shoot it much.

I've been practicing loading the tube, quickly as I can and with my eyes closed. Not real good at that yet.

I doubt I'll have to stand guard on my front porch a' la the McClosky's. More than likely some dipshit will come in the front or back door while I'm in bed.

So, the shotgun is racked and loaded, but on safety. I really don't want the bad guy to hear me racking it. I want him/her to hear "BANG"! (Then another rack...)

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at November 29, 2020 09:02 PM (3H9h1)

473 Not sure when I will post again. But will try to check back,

Thanks everyone.
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 29, 2020 06:40 PM (oHNFt)
Posted by: vmom Trump Won! at November 29, 2020 07:07 PM (nUhF0)

Holy smokes! I will keep Anna in my thoughts. She is a special lady. I hope she has someone to look after her kitties.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 29, 2020 09:02 PM (2y+dr)

474 It's an excellent value. I got lucky on my 1911 (ParaUSA), a really nice one with a match grade barrel and fiber optic front sight because I caught it on a closeout at CDNN.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 08:57 PM (nakwk)


My only real gripe about the USGI is the sights. All my other stuff has white dots at least and the good stuff has tritium; I can use the USGI sights but I don't acquire them as quickly.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 29, 2020 09:03 PM (t+qrx)

475 449 red1C,

The military moved from the 1-14 twist because they found out in cold Artic weather that particular twist did not stabilize the bullet so moved to the 1:12 twist. Later, they moved to the 1:7 twist in order to stabilize tracer rounds from what I heard.

For the most part, a 1:8 twist stabilizes a wide range of bullets and if you really must shoot long range heavy for caliber bullets then either get a .224 Valkyrie or a single shot.

For most people a 1:9 twist is fine but these are hard to find nowadays.

Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 09:03 PM (pO7gM)

476
Holy smokes! I will keep Anna in my thoughts. She is a special lady. I hope she has someone to look after her kitties.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 29, 2020 09:02 PM (2y+dr)


Going to praying hard for Anna. God bless her. She's wonderful.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 09:03 PM (TdMsT)

477 I get what you're saying, but at the same time --
yes, I'd much rather avoid literal armed conflict and just continue on
with my life over the alternative.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 09:01 PM (UPoLF)

Everyone sane would rather that. Sometimes choices are forced on us.

Posted by: flounder at November 29, 2020 09:03 PM (KnJdm)

478 I get what you're saying, but at the same time -- yes, I'd much rather avoid literal armed conflict and just continue on with my life over the alternative.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 09:01 PM (UPoLF)

Understood.

God grant that you get what you desire.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 09:04 PM (d1uFV)

479 My only real gripe about the USGI is the sights. All my other stuff has white dots at least and the good stuff has tritium; I can use the USGI sights but I don't acquire them as quickly.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 29, 2020 09:03 PM (t+qrx)

Probably true for just about everyone. The plain black front sight is harder to acquire and harder to line up.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 09:04 PM (nakwk)

480 Rickb's target is missing a label somewhere around the 9 ring that says something like, The Hawt Womenz you click on in FBs People You May Know that Mrs D put in there.

Just sayin

Posted by: Diogenes at November 29, 2020 09:05 PM (axyOa)

481 Weasel, good night and Thank You. Glad you got to spend a little time among the pines.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 29, 2020 09:02 PM (J9prb)
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Thank you, my friend.

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:05 PM (MVjcR)

482 Thank you, Weasel.

A mind expending Gun thread, as usual. I have to work on the "If we fire the 127mm, they are too close."

Range time is coming, now that elections and some other stuff is over.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 29, 2020 09:05 PM (u82oZ)

483 I run 1:7 77g match when I'm serious about doing it

I've settled in with a 69gr HP BT for my 1:7. Seems like the perfect marriage.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 29, 2020 09:06 PM (EgshT)

484 Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 29, 2020 09:05 PM (u82oZ)
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My pleasure, pal!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:07 PM (MVjcR)

485 Hitting my knees Anna.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 29, 2020 09:07 PM (axyOa)

486 Thanks for the gun thread, Mr. Weasel.

Posted by: flounder at November 29, 2020 09:07 PM (KnJdm)

487 I learned a lot from detail stripping my firearms. But the learning comes with a cost. There will be the inevitable idiot mark when you are just starting out. And also you will often end up with a pile of parts for a few days until you decide to tackle it again and put it back in working order. At that time you will realize that springs are really the key to how modern firearms (the last 100+ years) work.

If you get a really nice revolver like a Ruger, Colt, or Smith, it is best to not even try it, just leave well enough alone. Though it is fun to detail strip a 1911 or Hi Power.

IMO most don't clean their guns well enough, but rarely do they need to detail strip the really modern stuff and certainly not old revolvers.

A Glock is a snap though. There just isn't much to it.

Posted by: Quint at November 29, 2020 09:08 PM (OqDgx)

488 Posted by: flounder at November 29, 2020 09:07 PM (KnJdm)
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Happy to do it, flounder!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:08 PM (MVjcR)

489 This is a great thread, Weasel.

I'm glad the threads are archived, because I can go back and look up topics.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 09:09 PM (TdMsT)

490 I think it's time for me to find food.

I hope everyone has a good week.

Please think about what you want a gun for, what you're willing to use it for, what are you willing to die for? Kill for?

People buy guns for all sorts of reasons. Some just to put holes in paper and pop cans. Some want to protect themselves. Some like to hunt. Some do it out of obligation to themselves, their family, their country, their God.

As far as I'm concerned, all sorts are welcome. Gun lovers and gun tolerators alike.

But I ask everyone reading, lurkers and commenters alike, to think. Is Liberty worth dying for? Is the Republic worth killing for? Is Freedom worth sacrificing for?

We were all handed down a legacy, an inheritances of rights and duties. What we do with that, is up to us.

Pray that Trump is victorious, that theft and corruption is discovered and exposed and punished.

If he isn't, if it isn't, then....decide what you want to do with the time you have left.

Love to you all.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 09:10 PM (d1uFV)

491 I'm glad the threads are archived, because I can go back and look up topics.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 09:09 PM (TdMsT)
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I really need to update the archive. Soon!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:10 PM (MVjcR)

492 A Glock is a snap though. There just isn't much to it.


Posted by: Quint at November 29, 2020 09:08 PM (OqDgx)

Agreed. So simple. On the opposite end are the Ruger MK IIIs.

Posted by: flounder at November 29, 2020 09:10 PM (KnJdm)

493 Anna.. Lifting you up in prayer tonight.

Posted by: Jewells45TRUMPWON! at November 29, 2020 09:10 PM (nxdel)

494
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 09:10 PM (d1uFV)

Well said.

Posted by: flounder at November 29, 2020 09:11 PM (KnJdm)

495 493 Anna.. Lifting you up in prayer tonight.
Posted by: Jewells45TRUMPWON! at November 29, 2020 09:10 PM (nxdel)

She probably needs to just stay lying down where she is.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 09:11 PM (nakwk)

496
487 A Glock is a snap though. There just isn't much to it.
Posted by: Quint at November 29, 2020 09:08 PM (OqDgx)

I have had a far easier time breaking down my Beretta and Sig Sauer P226 than my Glock 26. There isn't much to breaking down ANY of those guns, but the Glock is a bitch and a half to separate the slide from the receiver. Don't get me wrong, I like my G26 and it's a good conceal-carry option, but "A Glock is a snap" is not necessarily true, at least from that standpoint.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 29, 2020 09:12 PM (/rbea)

497 Redc1c4,
You raised a very important safety tip.

When buying a firearm, always check the barrel where gunsmiths and manufacturers stamp the barrel for the actual cartridge that the firearm is chambered for. If there is no such stamp or it has been obliterated, then go to a gunsmith to have it checked out or learn to do chamber casting.

In the US, the general practice is to stamp the barrel for the cartridge fired but unstamped or obliterated (or even worse a bubba) can have rechambered the firearm with a chamber reamer or worse so that firing a cartridge can be unsafe.

There are certain cartridge combinations where one can fire a cartridge other than one that the handgun, rifle or shotgun is chambered for. In shotguns, the reason that 20 gauge is yellow and 12 is red is to prevent loading a 20 gauge shell in a twelve gauge shotgun. In rifles, people have done a variety of bad things such as loading and firing a .300 Blackout in a 5.56 chamber which can cause a kaboom or firing a .270 winchester in a .30-06 chamber and so on. Some combos cause kabooms, other cause embarrassment and poor accuracy.

Thanks for your post.

Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 09:12 PM (pO7gM)

498 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 29, 2020 09:10 PM (d1uFV)

Heavy food for thought right there.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 09:12 PM (nakwk)

499 *throws a shot glass at Insomniac*

Posted by: Jewells45TRUMPWON! at November 29, 2020 09:12 PM (nxdel)

500 499 *throws a shot glass at Insomniac*
Posted by: Jewells45TRUMPWON! at November 29, 2020 09:12 PM (nxdel)

*catches*
*consumes the remaining drops of tequila*

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 09:13 PM (nakwk)

501 Yeah. There's a federal law that supposedly allows him (as a cop) to conceal carry anywhere in the US, so he wasn't too worried. But he was a bit miffed. Like "I tried to follow their laws, but they basically told me to go fuck myself"
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:46 PM (UPoLF)

I knew a cop from right here in TX who encountered the exact same problem in Chicago. I was dumbfounded. "But you're a bloody cop!" I said. He just shook his head and said "I know, but no dice".

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 29, 2020 09:14 PM (/rbea)

502 *catches*
*consumes the remaining drops of tequila*


I made sure it was empty! lol!

Posted by: Jewells45TRUMPWON! at November 29, 2020 09:14 PM (nxdel)

503 >>>that .380 is about as effective in stopping an assailant as .357 or .44 Mag

[emoji face thingy]

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 29, 2020 08:39 PM (EgshT)


Back when the intertubes were not all bells, whistles, and flashing lights I read this lengthy amateur report of wounding capability of various handgun rounds from .22 / .25 thru .44 mag. It was very extensive. Through all the chapters it was probably 100+ pages if printed. Could have been the guys master thesis.

Anyway, every few pages (mostly straight text, so every 100 lines or sow) there would be a note*

* Note that the data presented here excludes any reference to .357 magnum.

Other than those notes there was NOTHING on 357 mag anywhere in the write up, graphs, tables, pics, etc. ... must have been his own little inside joke.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 29, 2020 09:15 PM (/Dgcm)

504 I have had a far easier time breaking down my Beretta and Sig Sauer P226 than my Glock 26. There isn't much to breaking down ANY of those guns, but the Glock is a bitch and a half to separate the slide from the receiver. Don't get me wrong, I like my G26 and it's a good conceal-carry option, but "A Glock is a snap" is not necessarily true, at least from that standpoint.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 29, 2020 09:12 PM (/rbea)

There's a trick to it, once you get it, it's the easiest thing. Cop showed me once and after that
I wondered what the heck I was trying to do before.

Posted by: Inogame - Trump Won at November 29, 2020 09:15 PM (+2xjH)

505 Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 29, 2020 09:12 PM (/rbea)

I believe you but I'm thinking you might have a defect or something with the release buttons or you have fingers not conducive to sliding those buttons down.

Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 09:15 PM (2DOZq)

506

What is "thumbing", right side of rickb223's target, please.
If not to much typing.

Posted by: TeeJ at November 29, 2020 09:15 PM (p/F+I)

507 Thanks Weasel for your comments and recommendations as well as the gun thread.

Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 09:15 PM (pO7gM)

508 487 A Glock is a snap though. There just isn't much to it.

Posted by: Quint at November 29, 2020 09:08 PM (OqDgx)



I have had a far easier time breaking down my Beretta and Sig Sauer
P226 than my Glock 26. There isn't much to breaking down ANY of those
guns, but the Glock is a bitch and a half to separate the slide from the
receiver. Don't get me wrong, I like my G26 and it's a good
conceal-carry option, but "A Glock is a snap" is not necessarily true,
at least from that standpoint.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 29, 2020 09:12 PM (/rbea)

I hear ya. Everything is new and different until it is not. But to be clear, i am talking detail stripping, not field stripping. With a Glock, there is not much detail to strip. JMO

Posted by: Quint at November 29, 2020 09:16 PM (OqDgx)

509 Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 09:15 PM (pO7gM)
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My pleasure, whig. Nice to have you here!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:16 PM (MVjcR)

510 506

What is "thumbing", right side of rickb223's target, please.
If not to much typing.
Posted by: TeeJ at November 29, 2020 09:15 PM (p/F+I)

Pressing the thumb against the frame of your pistol thus directing it to the right.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 09:16 PM (nakwk)

511 Evening, Mr. Weasel. I trust that you, WW and the pups are well.

Actually, you did run the Stevens cartridge picture once before, don't remember when. No problem - I'll send you some new ones in the next week or so.

Posted by: The Neon Madman at November 29, 2020 09:17 PM (KSXRc)

512 There are certain cartridge combinations where one can fire a cartridge other than one that the handgun, rifle or shotgun is chambered for. In shotguns, the reason that 20 gauge is yellow and 12 is red is to prevent loading a 20 gauge shell in a twelve gauge shotgun. In rifles, people have done a variety of bad things such as loading and firing a .300 Blackout in a 5.56 chamber which can cause a kaboom or firing a .270 winchester in a .30-06 chamber and so on. Some combos cause kabooms, other cause embarrassment and poor accuracy.

Thanks for your post.
Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 09:12 PM (pO7gM)

I do not pretend to be an expert on firearms here. I cheerfully say I am a novice. So you can talk smack about what a dumbass I am; I don't mind and take no offense.

But how in the hell can someone accidentally load a 20 ga shell into a 12 ga shotgun, or vice versa? (Admittedly, I have only ever fired 12 ga, for skeet. So part of this is trying to wrap my mind around it, and part of it is genuinely not knowing.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 29, 2020 09:17 PM (/rbea)

513 Assuming you're right-handed, that is.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 09:18 PM (nakwk)

514 What's a quality, reasonable price night vision binoculars?

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 29, 2020 09:18 PM (aO8Gd)

515 @510 Insomniac-What is jerking?

Posted by: JROD at November 29, 2020 09:19 PM (0jZnq)

516 Posted by: The Neon Madman at November 29, 2020 09:17 PM (KSXRc)
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All good, bro! WD and FSJ are sitting in their beds next to my desk. I thought I might have used that pic before, but my memory ain't what it used to be!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:20 PM (MVjcR)

517 detail stripping means basically no two parts that can be separated are touching. The ones I have had the biggest issues with are the Hi Power and some small autos that are just not designed for people to take apart on the reg.

The Hi Power is no biggie once you learn it and follow the guidelines. Still not easy though. The fun is passing the function check once you are done. And of course that is rule number one after any detail strip.

Posted by: Quint at November 29, 2020 09:20 PM (OqDgx)

518 510 Insomniac-What is jerking?
Posted by: JROD at November 29, 2020 09:19 PM (0jZnq)

are you playing the straight man?

Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 09:20 PM (2DOZq)

519 I hear ya. Everything is new and different until it is not. But to be clear, i am talking detail stripping, not field stripping. With a Glock, there is not much detail to strip. JMO
Posted by: Quint at November 29, 2020 09:16 PM (OqDgx)

I will say, in your defense, once the slide comes off, the hard work is done, and I'm cleaning the G26 on Easy Street. It's getting past the initial stage that's no fun.
(And I've had the G26 and Beretta for over 10 years.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 29, 2020 09:20 PM (/rbea)

520 Thank you for another great thread, weasel.

Have a great week, y'all.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 29, 2020 09:21 PM (U2p+3)

521 515
@510 Insomniac-What is jerking?

Posted by: JROD at November 29, 2020 09:19 PM (0jZnq)

I think you meant @Masturbatin' Pete.

Posted by: flounder at November 29, 2020 09:21 PM (KnJdm)

522 Insomniac-What is jerking?

Posted by: JROD at November 29, 2020 09:19 PM (0jZnq)


Let me show you

Posted by: Jeffrey Toobin at November 29, 2020 09:21 PM (SQlSV)

523 515 @510 Insomniac-What is jerking?
Posted by: JROD at November 29, 2020 09:19 PM (0jZnq)

You know...flogging the dolphin, beating the bishop, punching the clown...

I believe it refers to jerking the trigger.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 09:21 PM (nakwk)

524 Posted by: nurse ratched at November 29, 2020 09:21 PM (U2p+3)
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Thank you, nurse! Please take good care of yourself.

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:22 PM (MVjcR)

525 Dammit, I should've added "but that's not important right now."

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 09:22 PM (nakwk)

526 {{{Nurse}}}

Stay safe. I worry about you.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 09:23 PM (TdMsT)

527

Thanks, Insom.
Wanted to know in case, you know, I saw someone shooting to the right like that. I could help em out.

Posted by: TeeJ at November 29, 2020 09:23 PM (p/F+I)

528 A Glock is a snap though. There just isn't much to it.




Posted by: Quint at November 29, 2020 09:08 PM (OqDgx)

Agreed. So simple. On the opposite end are the Ruger MK IIIs.


Posted by: flounder at November 29, 2020 09:10 PM (KnJdm)

I haven't tried that with a MK III or owned one. But I did make a pile of parts with a 10/22 many moons ago. And the Ruger revolvers are bet to leave alone in my opinion. do the basic cleaning and leave well enough alone.

Posted by: Quint at November 29, 2020 09:24 PM (OqDgx)

529 527

Thanks, Insom.
Wanted to know in case, you know, I saw someone shooting to the right like that. I could help em out.
Posted by: TeeJ at November 29, 2020 09:23 PM (p/F+I)

Happy I could help!

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 09:24 PM (nakwk)

530 "What is jerking?"

Cheaper than spending $20 in town.

Posted by: f'd at November 29, 2020 09:24 PM (5DOSi)

531 MKIII are the reason for the MKIV. The manual makes it sound so simple. The reality is, you will be successful on odd numbered Tuesdays, when the planets align with the moon and the stars, and there is a slight breeze.

Posted by: flounder at November 29, 2020 09:25 PM (KnJdm)

532 Question: do you have to buy a gun in your home state, or can you buy out of state and bring it home?

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen of Greenland (Happy Thanksgiving to my American allies!) at November 29, 2020 09:25 PM (9hauA)

533 I knew there'd be more than one taker on that.....

Posted by: JROD at November 29, 2020 09:26 PM (0jZnq)

534 Thank you, sir.

Great content as is usual.

Talk to you next week.

Posted by: BifBewalski AOS Moron at November 29, 2020 09:26 PM (VcFUs)

535 512, a 20 gauge shotgun shell will fit in a 12 gauge chamber and fall through and lodge in the barrel, then the same person will either load up a twelve gauge shell or another twenty and fire away--kaboom.

Bad problems can be sticking a bullet in the barrel, trying to swage a bullet down to size in the bore which causes pressures to skyrocket, or poor accuracy from a bullet rattling along a bigger bore. Some bolt guns have enough mechanical leverage to chamber stuff that they should not be able to. Believe the NRA once had a guy firing .30-06 in a 6.5 Arisaka--he reamed the chamber but left the barrel in its 6.5mm bore size. Miraculously, the gun did not blow up.

Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 09:26 PM (pO7gM)

536 425 ... "She's looking for a RIA USGI 1911."

Good decision. Mine has been completely reliable and accurate considering I'm behind the trigger.

Posted by: JTB at November 29, 2020 09:27 PM (7EjX1)

537 Just got back from my basic pistol training class. We had an amazing day! I suck at shooting, but now I have some knowledge and experience to build on. Weasel, as promised, I'll write a little bit about my experience for you to use (or not) as you please!

Posted by: screaming in digital at November 29, 2020 09:27 PM (k42hV)

538 Harry, I'll leave the actual research to them, but I think a pump shotgun is kosher in all lower 48, AND Canada. I think it's with hand-guns where the absurd, obviously unconstitutional and baseless guvamint harassment kicks in.

Of course it's up to them, if it turns out some state is a problem, they'll have to decide whether they want to go "naked" or just avoid a few states.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 29, 2020 08:24 PM (OTzUX)

AFAIK, a U.S. citizen can come to Canada, to hunt in a guided hunt, and bring long guns appropriate for the the hunt, no problem. But they have to be transported in a lockable carrier. Similarly, U.S. citizens in transit to Alaska can bring guns across the border, maybe even handguns, but they have to be kept in a locked tote while in transit.

Packing a shotgun in the trailer for "self defense" (even against wildlife) is a no-no.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 29, 2020 09:28 PM (YtoKh)

539 OK, everyone. Close enough to 9:30 for the 9:30 thank you.

The time sure does seem to go by quickly nowadays. Seems like just a couple of days ago I was writing last weeks GT. Anyhoo, it's a real personal pleasure to hang out here with you all on Sunday evening. You're a great group of people. Thanks for tuning in, and see you next weekend!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:28 PM (MVjcR)

540 Question: do you have to buy a gun in your home state, or can you buy out of state and bring it home?
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen of Greenland (Happy Thanksgiving to my American allies!) at November 29, 2020 09:25 PM (9hauA)


You can buy it out of state, but it must be sent to a dealer in your state of residence. You'll take ownership at the dealer in your state, and they'll be the ones processing the background check and collecting a fee for the service (usually $25-50 but can vary). Unless it's a very hard to find or collectible firearm, or you're inheriting something, it's almost universally easier to shop around and find something in your state.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 29, 2020 09:28 PM (t+qrx)

541 Weasel,

Thanks for another wonderful thread. Always something to learn and a chance for great conversations with the other Horde members.

Hope the healing continues to go well.

Posted by: JTB at November 29, 2020 09:28 PM (7EjX1)

542 The actual carrying of a firearm is the easiest burden you take on. As Mark Edward Andrews said, what are you prepared to do with it? That's the responsibility most pondered. To protect and defend John Q. is one thing and fairly easy to compartment, but to protect and defend yourself or family?

Posted by: Eromero at November 29, 2020 09:29 PM (XhWtx)

543 ..Sure, although I will almost always recommend Nightforce optics. Feel free to email me if you want to discuss sooner.

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:01 PM (MVjcR)



Not to be purely contrarian, but an illustration as to why the above simply cannot be the all-encompassing answer to any given question on "glass".

Rifle I had to sell to help fund my '99 divorce, was the most productive deer-rifle I've yet owned.

Ruger 77 Mk1 RSI, 18" bbl., full Mannlicher stock. .308 Win.

The scope was a fixed 6x Leupold Mk II, with the conventional "duplex" reticle. It made for easy rangefinding, as the space 'tween the "duplex" section pretty much represented a buck with a 14" spread at 100 yards. Clear, bright, sturdy, and just exactly perfectly proportioned for that wee short stick of a rifle.

1" tube, 32mm Objective, but due to the fixed-power optical simplicity, it still transmitted a tremendous percentage of light.

Buttplate to muzzle, that rifle was the same length as a Marlin 336 or Win. 94 carbine. But with 100 yard greater range, and a far flatter trajectory anywhere within it's performance envelope.

Bonus? It was gorgeous. Bluing as deep as anything by Weatherby, and the plainly figured walnut still had a depth of grain and finish, that had to be seen to be appreciated.

But yeah. Different applications are going to move the glass answer out of the Premium Optics world, and the VENN Diagram is going to show less overlap out where the .30-30 carbines and .223 bolties live.

Not against Nightforce. My Ruger 77 Mk II Hawkeye African in 6.5x55 proudly wears their 2.5x10x40 scope. Which at present, is the smallest optic in their lineup.

With it's 30mm tube, it stands with presence atop said Ruger. But it is One Hell Of A Scope!

/mini-rant/scopes



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX


Posted by: Jim at November 29, 2020 09:29 PM (QzJWU)

544 Posted by: BifBewalski AOS Moron at November 29, 2020 09:26 PM (VcFUs)
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Thanks Bif!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:29 PM (MVjcR)

545 it would take a miracle for this coup not to end in open violence

so I will keep praying

Posted by: vmom Trump Won! at November 29, 2020 09:29 PM (nUhF0)

546 K, everyone. Close enough to 9:30 for the 9:30 thank you.



The time sure does seem to go by quickly nowadays. Seems like just a
couple of days ago I was writing last weeks GT. Anyhoo, it's a real
personal pleasure to hang out here with you all on Sunday evening.
You're a great group of people. Thanks for tuning in, and see you next
weekend!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:28 PM (MVjcR)

thanks for the great thread Weasel!

Posted by: Quint at November 29, 2020 09:30 PM (OqDgx)

547

"...or can you buy out of state and bring it home."

Now why am I hearing Jackie Gleason talking to Burt Reynolds while eating a Diablo sandwich.

Posted by: TeeJ at November 29, 2020 09:30 PM (p/F+I)

548 I seriously doubt the ammo shortage will clear up in time for my birthday, which sucketh. In recent years I have had a tradition of commemorating my birthday with a bang. I have easily sprayed 500-600 rounds per birthday at a range in recent years with all three of my handguns.

Which is leading me to the dilemma of what to do. I can drive across the state but I'd rather not if I can help it. Flying presents its own issues as TSA is persnickety in how ammo is transported. For years I was fine transporting the ammo in the magazines; I at minimum travel with my designated self-defense magazines with their complements of hollow-point ammo. But I am not interested in getting a separate case for the ammo to carry in a case which is already dedicated to the guns.

Time was when I would fly the guns down to the range and I would buy the ammo I needed at Cabela's or Academy (or Walmart before those bastards sold out) and then burn it all at the range to commemorate birthday 29.1. Now with the current ammo situation I am not sure if I can do that.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 29, 2020 09:30 PM (/rbea)

549 Posted by: JTB at November 29, 2020 09:28 PM (7EjX1)
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Thank you JTB! Appreciate it!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:30 PM (MVjcR)

550 " ...
... if they want to get me, they're going to have to fight for it.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 29, 2020 08:50 PM (t+qrx) "


Affirm.
Catch me if you can, prove what you can prove, gettin' less than zero help from me.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 TRUMP WON! at November 29, 2020 09:30 PM (/On2j)

551 I want an AR15.

But it makes no sense for me to have one.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 07:41 PM (TdMsT)

Wha? It makes ALL the sense.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 08:08 PM (nakwk)

Insomniac Johnson is right!
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 29, 2020 08:47 PM (02b6n)


"want" is reason enough.

But do not be greedy.
One of each should be enough.
Unless... funds are available for more. And an armory, and full time armorer, etc.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 29, 2020 09:30 PM (/Dgcm)

552 I'm here.
Got here very late but read the comments.
Thanks Weasel. Every week I get a little more informed.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 29, 2020 09:31 PM (sd8p8)

553 Farmer,
I'm in seattle.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 29, 2020 08:2

Damn, I knew that. I get my NW shitholes confused sometimes. Be safe.

Posted by: Farmer at November 29, 2020 09:31 PM (rqZoM)

554 Posted by: Jim at November 29, 2020 09:29 PM (QzJWU)
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I have sort of made it a personal policy on the GT to only recommend items or brands that I have personally used, hence the bias toward Nightforce.

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:32 PM (MVjcR)

555 Thanks, hogmartin!

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen of Greenland (Happy Thanksgiving to my American allies!) at November 29, 2020 09:33 PM (9hauA)

556 Posted by: Quint at November 29, 2020 09:30 PM (OqDgx)
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My pleasure, Quint!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:34 PM (MVjcR)

557 Ruger 77 Mk1 RSI, 18" bbl., full Mannlicher stock. .308 Win.





Posted by: Jim at November 29, 2020 09:29 PM (QzJWU)

Ugh. I bet that was a kick in the nuts to give up.

Posted by: flounder at November 29, 2020 09:34 PM (KnJdm)

558
I want an AR15.



But it makes no sense for me to have one.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 07:41 PM (TdMsT)



It makes total sense. Its probably the easiest to use for petite women. Even if you find yourself in a bad movie and potential dude protector says "Shit if we only had a gun", and you can say "well looky here". Or for an alien invasion, or escaped dinosaur from a local lab, or a zombie...

Well you get the idea. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 29, 2020 09:35 PM (9Om/r)

559 Unless... funds are available for more. And an armory, and full time armorer, etc.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 29, 2020 09:30 PM (/Dgcm)


And a walk-in gub safe!

Posted by: Commissar-Elect Hrothgar - I Have Earned, And Deserve, Different Rules! at November 29, 2020 09:35 PM (87oRe)

560 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 29, 2020 09:31 PM (sd8p
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That's great! Glad to hear it sharon.

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:35 PM (MVjcR)

561 I have never owned what I would call an "optic" I have some old fashioned scopes on deer rifles of course but that is about it. I am kind of like the guy that wants the 1/15 barreled AR, old school I guess. I know they are helpful, that is not the issue. I just don't shoot enough and am still stuck in the old days I guess.

Posted by: Quint at November 29, 2020 09:36 PM (OqDgx)

562 And bedtime at Chateau D'Eez; thanks as always, Weasel, and sweet dreams to alla you Hordelings !

seeya inna mornin' !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 TRUMP WON! at November 29, 2020 09:37 PM (/On2j)

563 Prayers up for AnnaPuma.

Thanks for this breathing tip Weasel. I knew pull the trigger on exhale but focus on diaphragm breathing with a steady rate was missing.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 29, 2020 09:37 PM (Aashi)

564 540 Question: do you have to buy a gun in your home state, or can you buy out of state and bring it home?
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen of Greenland (Happy Thanksgiving to my American allies!) at November 29, 2020 09:25 PM (9hauA)

You can buy it out of state, but it must be sent to a dealer in your state of residence. You'll take ownership at the dealer in your state, and they'll be the ones processing the background check and collecting a fee for the service (usually $25-50 but can vary). Unless it's a very hard to find or collectible firearm, or you're inheriting something, it's almost universally easier to shop around and find something in your state.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 29, 2020 09:28 PM (t+qrx)

If you consummate the out of state sale in person you don't have to have it shipped to an FFL, I don't think. But transport then becomes an issue, as well as the gun laws back in the home state.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 09:38 PM (nakwk)

565 It makes total sense. Its probably the easiest to use for petite women. Even if you find yourself in a bad movie and potential dude protector says "Shit if we only had a gun", and you can say "well looky here". Or for an alien invasion, or escaped dinosaur from a local lab, or a zombie...

Well you get the idea. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 29, 2020 09:35 PM (9Om/r)

Damn zombies. Have to shoot those bastards in the head.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 09:38 PM (nakwk)

566 540 Question: do you have to buy a gun in your home state, or can you buy out of state and bring it home?
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen of Greenland (Happy Thanksgiving to my American allies!) at November 29, 2020 09:25 PM (9hauA)

You can buy it out of state, but it must be sent to a dealer in your state of residence. You'll take ownership at the dealer in your state, and they'll be the ones processing the background check and collecting a fee for the service (usually $25-50 but can vary). Unless it's a very hard to find or collectible firearm, or you're inheriting something, it's almost universally easier to shop around and find something in your state.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 29, 2020 09:28 PM (t+qrx)

In the case of my Sig, I bought that in commemoration of my time in that lovely part of the world known as Afghanistan. The Sigs would be stamped with the unit insignia and then shipped to wherever. So I was buying out of state, as I was from TX and the place that did this work on the Sigs was in MS.

No problem. The shop I had the gun sent to in TX had their FFL available online so I acquired that and sent it to the good people in MS that were working on my guns. They knew where to send it to and that it was legit, so all that was needed at that point was the money (which they got, no problem) and the shipment took place without a hitch.

The best part of the story? I tracked the package on UPS and due to some unforeseen delays, I pinned down the arrival of the guns at the TX FFL to be on CHRISTMAS EVE. And right before the dealer closed for Christmas - early, of course - I got a call from them indicating the guns arrived. I think the last thing they heard from my end of the phone call was the sound effect the Road Runner makes before taking off. I got those bad boys - my Sig and my rifle - right before they closed for the holiday. A Merry Christmas indeed. Santy Claus saw I was a good boy - or at least semi-good.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 29, 2020 09:39 PM (/rbea)

567 Thanks, Insom.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen of Greenland (Happy Thanksgiving to my American allies!) at November 29, 2020 09:39 PM (9hauA)

568 I have never owned what I would call an "optic" I have some old fashioned scopes on deer rifles of course but that is about it. I am kind of like the guy that wants the 1/15 barreled AR, old school I guess. I know they are helpful, that is not the issue. I just don't shoot enough and am still stuck in the old days I guess.
Posted by: Quint at November 29, 2020 09:36 PM (OqDgx)
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It really depends on two variables. Your budget and your intended application. There are good choices at almost every price point, and I usually suggest people talk to others who are successfully doing the same type of shooting and find out what they use.

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:40 PM (MVjcR)

569 Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 29, 2020 09:37 PM (Aashi)
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Happy to help!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:41 PM (MVjcR)

570 Now about this cheek weld. Was this discussed in a previous thread?

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 29, 2020 09:41 PM (Aashi)

571 All kinds of helpful people on the gun thread. This is probably the most helpfullest thread of the entire week!

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 09:41 PM (nakwk)

572 Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 TRUMP WON! at November 29, 2020 09:37 PM (/On2j)
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'night sock_rat!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:41 PM (MVjcR)

573 551 I want an AR15.

But it makes no sense for me to have one.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 07:41 PM (TdMsT)

Nope. In a capitalist, free (for now) society such as ours, the sense in owning one is neatly contained in the phrase "I want".

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 29, 2020 09:41 PM (/rbea)

574 ..I have sort of made it a personal policy on the GT to only recommend items or brands that I have personally used, hence the bias toward Nightforce.

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:32 PM (MVjcR)



Understood, and appreciated. I was but suggesting that there is a wide array of shooting & shooters needful of a good optic, but outside of the application-envelope that is the Nightforce product-range.

Perhaps backing into the discussion with a bit of insight as to the "Avoid These", reputations of certain ..*ahem* LESSER product lines?

ANY scope which is sold in a plastic "Blister Pack" hanging on the pegboard at Wal-Mart or BigBoxtopia. That's the most obvious starting point, I think?

Perhaps also, you've seen a lot of optics fail there shooters out at your matches? If you have stories of those, they could be instructive in the "To Be Avoided" category?

We might not be able to steer everyone to the BESTEST *for THEM* in every category.

But maybe we can help a lot of The Horde not waste needful dollars on crappy glass?

That'd be a value in itself, I think.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 29, 2020 09:42 PM (QzJWU)

575 570 Now about this cheek weld. Was this discussed in a previous thread?
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 29, 2020 09:41 PM (Aashi)

Consensus was oxy-acetylene.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 09:42 PM (nakwk)

576 This reminds me of something I've been meaning to ask. Has anyone done their own chamber casting? What would I need besides a block of Cerrosafe and a propane torch? Can it be done with the barrel installed on the receiver?
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 29, 2020 08:46 PM (qc+VF)

I have done it, once, on the Chinese Mystery Pistol I have. It was easy. Plugged the barrel at about the beginning of the rifling with a wad of paper tissue, propped the gun chamber up (slide removed), and poured the molten metal in. Tapping out the finished cast was easy, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 29, 2020 09:43 PM (8BRE4)

577 Now about this cheek weld. Was this discussed in a previous thread?
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 29, 2020 09:41 PM (Aashi)
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Probably not in detail - do you have a particular question?

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:43 PM (MVjcR)

578 I want an AR15.



But it makes no sense for me to have one.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 07:41 PM (TdMsT)



Nope. In a capitalist, free (for now) society such as ours, the
sense in owning one is neatly contained in the phrase "I want".

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 29, 2020 09:41 PM (/rbea)


Ferengi Rules of Acquisition #242. More is good, all is better.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 29, 2020 09:44 PM (9Om/r)

579 387 Grab, tax.
A distinction without a difference...
Posted by: attila the temporarily reasonable at November 29, 2020 08:43 PM (w7KSn)

Don't EVER forget what was said in McCullogh v. Maryland: "The power to tax is the power to destroy."

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 29, 2020 09:44 PM (/rbea)

580 Seriously, the expertise that is put at our disposal in these gun threads is really impressive.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 09:44 PM (nakwk)

581 Thanks Weasel! I don't comment much but I learn a lot here.

Posted by: Jewells45TRUMPWON! at November 29, 2020 09:45 PM (nxdel)

582 Ferengi Rules of Acquisition #242. More is good, all is better.
Posted by: Berserker


I love that!

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 29, 2020 09:45 PM (U2p+3)

583 It really depends on two variables. Your budget and
your intended application. There are good choices at almost every
price point, and I usually suggest people talk to others who are
successfully doing the same type of shooting and find out what they use.

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:40 PM (MVjcR)

yeah, budget has always been a factor. But If I think about getting an ecog or something I will ask you guys for advice. I know many buy an AR without the detachable carry handle. To me that is not an AR, but again, I am old school and way past the times. At least i go with the detachable one

Posted by: Quint at November 29, 2020 09:46 PM (OqDgx)

584
It makes total sense. Its probably the easiest to use for petite women. Even if you find yourself in a bad movie and potential dude protector says "Shit if we only had a gun", and you can say "well looky here". Or for an alien invasion, or escaped dinosaur from a local lab, or a zombie...

Well you get the idea. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 29, 2020 09:35 PM (9Om/r)


Ha!

I'm getting a hand gun first and I'll see if I can get comfortable with that.

Quit calling me petite!

Jeeze

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 09:46 PM (TdMsT)

585 573
551 I want an AR15.



But it makes no sense for me to have one.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 07:41 PM (TdMsT)



Nope. In a capitalist, free (for now) society such as ours, the
sense in owning one is neatly contained in the phrase "I want".

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 29, 2020 09:41 PM (/rbea)

It is my opinion that it is every citizen responsibility to provide for their self and common defense, with few exceptions (infirm, indigent, incompetent, dangerous felon). An AR15 makes perfect sense to fulfill part of those responsibilities.
Otherwise, I want is enough justification for any free-breathing American.

Posted by: flounder at November 29, 2020 09:46 PM (KnJdm)

586 Posted by: Jim at November 29, 2020 09:42 PM (QzJWU)
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Hmmm... let me think about that. Truthfully the F-Class world is dominated by NF, so it'd be tough to know where to begin. Absolutely avoid blister pack items, and that goes for rings and bases, too!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:46 PM (MVjcR)

587 Jim NSD, not sold in a blister pack? Now that right there is good advice. A good optic comes boxed in foam like a good firearm. Good night, Weasel and all you other good people. Remember we are all in this together just like Ben Franklin said. We are about at that juncture in this current goatcluster.

Posted by: Eromero at November 29, 2020 09:47 PM (XhWtx)

588 " if you want to minimize/eliminate the concern about idiotic state laws varying all over the place, and have something that's pretty easy/instinctive to use, just get a shotgun. Pump. 12 ga. 18.5" barrel. Low-recoil buckshot and slugs.
Keep it secured, hidden away, and unloaded, and you'll be "compliant" in all lower 48 states, plus maybe even Canada?"

No.

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at November 29, 2020 09:47 PM (Dh1xc)

589
Ferengi Rules of Acquisition #242. More is good, all is better.

Posted by: Berserker





I love that!

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 29, 2020 09:45 PM (U2p+3)

Me too, a firm believer. So much so it forced me to get a bigger house. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 29, 2020 09:47 PM (9Om/r)

590 I just don't remember ever being shown or told 'rest your cheek here always to avoid scope in the eye on recoil and have a good view.' I'll have to ask my dad if he can show me.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 29, 2020 09:48 PM (Aashi)

591 Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 09:44 PM (nakwk)
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Like I said, great group!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:48 PM (MVjcR)

592 Remember we are all in this together just like Ben Franklin said. We are about at that juncture in this current goatcluster.
Posted by: Eromero at November 29, 2020 09:47 PM (XhWtx)

Wear your mask! Stay six feet apart! Stay safe!

Posted by: Ben Franklin at November 29, 2020 09:48 PM (nakwk)

593 Posted by: Jewells45TRUMPWON! at November 29, 2020 09:45 PM (nxdel)
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Glad to hear that and happy to have you here!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:49 PM (MVjcR)

594 Ha!



I'm getting a hand gun first and I'll see if I can get comfortable with that.



Quit calling me petite!



Jeeze

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 09:46 PM (TdMsT)

There is no other word for you. Would it be better if I said there wasn't enough meat on your ass to make a poor man a bowl of soup? lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 29, 2020 09:49 PM (9Om/r)

595 Bob the Bilderberg,

Chamber casting with Cerrosafe is fairly simple if you follow the directions. After pouring, remove it in one hour. If you diddle around, you will have to melt the cerrosafe in the chamber and start again.

Make sure to dismount the action from the stock to do so.

Brownells sells Cerrosafe and has a video on doing it. There are some off brand stuff sold through Amazon and Ebay as a form of Woods alloy but Cerrosafe is vouched for and of the right quality plus you can reuse it to your heart's content.

Instead of a torch though, a pot on the stove or a heat gun will be hot enough to melt Cerrosafe.

Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 09:49 PM (pO7gM)

596 At least i go with the detachable one


Posted by: Quint at November 29, 2020 09:46 PM (OqDgx)

Daniel Defense 1.5s are good, solid detachable irons for those flat-top ARs.

Posted by: flounder at November 29, 2020 09:50 PM (KnJdm)

597 At least i go with the detachable one


Posted by: Quint at November 29, 2020 09:46 PM (OqDgx)

Us too!

Posted by: King Missile at November 29, 2020 09:51 PM (nakwk)

598 wait, we gonna wear moleskin masks now?

Posted by: vmom Trump Won! at November 29, 2020 09:51 PM (nUhF0)

599 590 PaleRider, you can get a bloody nose from a stock that is too short with wrapping your thumb around them. Springfield 1903's S stocks were notorious for doing just that.

Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 09:51 PM (pO7gM)

600 Posted by: Eromero at November 29, 2020 09:47 PM (XhWtx)
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'night amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:51 PM (MVjcR)

601
There is no other word for you. Would it be better if I said there wasn't enough meat on your ass to make a poor man a bowl of soup? lol
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 29, 2020 09:49 PM (9Om/r)


I'd rather be called a beast.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 09:51 PM (TdMsT)

602 I'd rather be called a beast.
Posted by: Ladyl

Nevah !

Posted by: JT at November 29, 2020 09:53 PM (arJlL)

603 Ladyl.. you are petite and there's not a thing wrong with that. Great things come in small packages. Trust me.. better petite than an amazon woman like me.

Posted by: Jewells45TRUMPWON! at November 29, 2020 09:53 PM (nxdel)

604 Quit calling me petite!

Jeeze

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 09:46 PM (TdMsT)


....steps back from Ladyl.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 29, 2020 09:53 PM (WekKK)

605 Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 29, 2020 09:48 PM (Aashi)
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Look up "eye relief" for starters.

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:53 PM (MVjcR)

606 If you consummate the out of state sale in person you don't have to have it shipped to an FFL, I don't think.

No, hogmartin is correct for handguns. Insom *might* be correct for long guns depending on the particular states and guns we're talking about. Unless BATF has changed the rules. Again.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 29, 2020 09:54 PM (qc+VF)

607
I'd rather be called a beast.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 09:51 PM (TdMsT)

What type? Wilde? Hose?

Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 09:54 PM (nakwk)

608 Ladyl.. you are petite and there's not a thing wrong with that. Great things come in small packages. Trust me.. better petite than an amazon woman like me.
Posted by: Jewells45TRUMPWON! at November 29, 2020 09:53 PM (nxdel)

Petite women don't want to be known as such. Elegantly tall women want to be petite.

It is the way of women.

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen of Greenland (Happy Thanksgiving to my American allies!) at November 29, 2020 09:54 PM (9hauA)

609 Also don't call her sweetie-pie.

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:54 PM (MVjcR)

610 Would it be better if I said there wasn't enough meat on your ass to make a poor man a bowl of soup? lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 29, 2020 09:49 PM (9Om/r)



....steps back from Ladyl.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 29, 2020 09:53 PM (WekKK)



lol

Posted by: flounder at November 29, 2020 09:55 PM (KnJdm)

611 603 Ladyl.. you are petite and there's not a thing wrong with that. Great things come in small packages. Trust me.. better petite than an amazon woman like me.
Posted by: Jewells45TRUMPWON! at November 29, 2020 09:53 PM (nxdel)

I don't want to be "petite"

Grrrr.

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 09:55 PM (TdMsT)

612 lol.. very true Chique. I do love it when a short person in the store asks me if I can reach up to the top shelf and I grab it with ease.

Posted by: Jewells45TRUMPWON! at November 29, 2020 09:56 PM (nxdel)

613
Petite women don't want to be known as such. Elegantly tall women want to be petite.

It is the way of women.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen of Greenland (Happy Thanksgiving to my American allies!) at November 29, 2020 09:54 PM (9hauA)


You get it! You understand!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 09:56 PM (TdMsT)

614 Thanks all. I do know not to have my eye too close to the scope. Did manage to give myself a black eye resting a riding helmet visor on top of the scope once though. Knocked the helmet into my eyeglasses.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 29, 2020 09:56 PM (Aashi)

615 Petite, elegantly tall, Amazonian . . . nobody likes variety.

/s

Posted by: flounder at November 29, 2020 09:56 PM (KnJdm)

616 lol.. very true Chique. I do love it when a short person in the store asks me if I can reach up to the top shelf and I grab it with ease.
Posted by: Jewells45TRUMPWON! at November 29, 2020 09:56 PM (nxdel)

Do you first pull a Michelle Obama and accuse them of racism?

Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen of Greenland (Happy Thanksgiving to my American allies!) at November 29, 2020 09:57 PM (9hauA)

617
The military moved from the 1-14 twist because
they found out in cold Artic weather that particular twist did not
stabilize the bullet so moved to the 1:12 twist. Later, they moved to
the 1:7 twist in order to stabilize tracer rounds from what I heard.



For the most part, a 1:8 twist stabilizes a wide range of bullets
and if you really must shoot long range heavy for caliber bullets then
either get a .224 Valkyrie or a single shot.



For most people a 1:9 twist is fine but these are hard to find nowadays.

Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 09:03 PM (pO7gM)

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since i live in the big shitty, any AR w*rk will be at close range, and not in Arctic conditions, hence the desire for a 1:14, to use with 55 grain projos...

as long as they don't have hard armor, it will do wonderful things to the recipient.

for longer range shots, i'll bump up to 308 or better. we have lots of choices in that area.

and yeah, i'd rather not be in a shooting war, but we may not have a say in the matter.


Posted by: redc1c4, Trump Won! at November 29, 2020 09:57 PM (kTGYg)

618 Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 29, 2020 09:56 PM (Aashi)
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Well you generally only have to learn that lesson once!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:57 PM (MVjcR)

619 Can one get by with just cheek-braze?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 29, 2020 09:57 PM (vOGqy)

620 588 " if you want to minimize/eliminate the concern about idiotic state laws varying all over the place, and have something that's pretty easy/instinctive to use, just get a shotgun. Pump. 12 ga. 18.5" barrel. Low-recoil buckshot and slugs.
Keep it secured, hidden away, and unloaded, and you'll be "compliant" in all lower 48 states, plus maybe even Canada?"

No.
Posted by: Law of Self Defense at November 29, 2020 09:47 PM (Dh1xc)


Andrew, I mentioned up thread, but if you're still around -- I know you do CLE classes, but are they valid in NY?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 09:58 PM (UPoLF)

621 Yeah, I think Biden will be inaugurated, and we
won't do anything about it. Which, I mean, honestly, is not a bad thing.
I don't want to see any kind of violence.



But if Trump somehow pulls this all off and remains president, I absolutely expect craziness, including violence.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:54 PM (UPoLF)

There will be violence either way... there will be BLM and Antifa cosplayers in the street when Trump is declared the winner. There will be bloody revolution if a steal this large renders our republic inoperable.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 29, 2020 09:58 PM (946rW)

622 LadyL,

One of the reasons that AR's are becoming popular for self defense is A) magazine capacity, B) they can easily be sized to fit different people without gunsmithing, C) light recoil which makes followup shots easy, and D) very good ergonomics and adaptability to put on safe, chamber a cartridge, etc. and E) easy to scope or put a red dot/holo sight on them.

They are really better defense of the home weapons in 5.56 than shotguns simply because shotguns have limited ammo capability and reloading is more difficult without much practice, much more recoil generally, stocks generally do not fit different people ideally as from the store, and if a shot gun jams, the jams are both difficult and dangerous to clear in an emergency situation.

I grew up with shotguns and still find the AR easier to use despite my distaste for them from use in the service.

Last but not least, most people shoot long arms better with less practice than handguns (longer sight lines and three points of contact versus two).

Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 09:58 PM (pO7gM)

623 The ONT is now accepting comments.

Posted by: JT at November 29, 2020 09:58 PM (arJlL)

624 FWIW. Apparently I will be gifting an M9 to Giggles this year for Christmas. Whooo boy

And a pleasant good night to all. Many ThanX! Weasel

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at November 29, 2020 09:59 PM (rJ1YP)

625 589
Ferengi Rules of Acquisition #242. More is good, all is better.

Posted by: Berserker





I love that!

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 29, 2020 09:45 PM (U2p+3)

Me too, a firm believer. So much so it forced me to get a bigger house. lol
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 29, 2020 09:47 PM (9Om/r)


Congrats on the new house!!!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 09:59 PM (TdMsT)

626 Posted by: McGyver at November 29, 2020 09:59 PM (rJ1YP)
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My pleasure McGyver!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 09:59 PM (MVjcR)

627
So did someone above say that a 20 gauge shotgun would have less kick than a 12 gauge?

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 29, 2020 10:00 PM (946rW)

628 Instead of a torch though, a pot on the stove or a heat gun will be hot enough to melt Cerrosafe.

Ah, that's good to know. It will make it easier and safer to do indoors. Thanks.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 29, 2020 10:00 PM (qc+VF)

629 623 The ONT is now accepting comments.
Posted by: JT at November 29, 2020 09:58 PM (arJlL)

Looks like they disappeared. For now.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 29, 2020 10:00 PM (yymBo)

630 OK - ONT is up! Enjoy the rest of your evening and have a great week! See you next Sunday! Goodnight!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 10:00 PM (MVjcR)

631 Well, there was a nood, but now it's gone....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at November 29, 2020 10:01 PM (SRRAx)

632 No ONT. What the hell?

Posted by: Jewells45TRUMPWON! at November 29, 2020 10:01 PM (nxdel)

633 630 OK - ONT is up! Enjoy the rest of your evening and have a great week! See you next Sunday! Goodnight!
Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 10:00 PM (MVjcR)

I don't see no ONT.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 10:01 PM (UPoLF)

634 Bravo Zulu Gun Thread, Weasel!



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 29, 2020 10:01 PM (QzJWU)

635 Weird. Now I see the ONT.

So... nood I guess?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 10:02 PM (UPoLF)

636 630 OK - ONT is up! Enjoy the rest of your evening and have a great week! See you next Sunday! Goodnight!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 10:00 PM (MVjcR)



I don't see no ONT.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 10:01 PM (UPoLF)

Psych! Weasel got ya!

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 29, 2020 10:02 PM (946rW)

637 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 10:01 PM (UPoLF)
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It's back.

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 10:02 PM (MVjcR)

638 So did someone above say that a 20 gauge shotgun would have less kick than a 12 gauge?


Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 29, 2020 10:00 PM (946rW)

if they did, they are right. It is ammo determinant but yeah, in general this is true. i am a big fan of the 20 gauge for home defense and even for deer. I get the argument against them for skeet and certainly for goose hunting or some such. But i am a general fan of the 20 gauge.

Posted by: Quint at November 29, 2020 10:02 PM (OqDgx)

639 ONT is back.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 29, 2020 10:02 PM (Aashi)

640 ONT is now officially up -

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at November 29, 2020 10:02 PM (SRRAx)

641 Congrats on the new house!!!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 29, 2020 09:59 PM (TdMsT)

Thanks. The move is in march. Then starts a hard year, selling this place, and updating the new one.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 29, 2020 10:02 PM (9Om/r)

642 Posted by: Jim at November 29, 2020 10:01 PM (QzJWU)
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Thank you Brother!

Posted by: Weasel at November 29, 2020 10:03 PM (MVjcR)

643 Wintry ONT

Posted by: vmom Trump Won! at November 29, 2020 10:03 PM (nUhF0)

644 617 redc1c4, a 1:9 will do just fine to stabilize 55 gr down to bout 50 gr or so. The 1:12 is also fine for the 5.56 and 55 gr. but the old 1:14 twist came from the triple deuce .222 Remington varminteer cartridge that was the ancestor of the 5.56. Those folks liked to shoot 30 gr to 50 gr bullets and so the twist was not that optimal for the AR and its 55 gr bullet in all conditions.

The whole twist rate come from Greenhill formula but it is more a rule of thumb than an absolute--it gives a range of bullets that you get optimal stabilization from according to theory. You can find online barrel twist calculators if you really get deep into it.

Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 10:04 PM (pO7gM)

645 627 redbanzai, a twenty has less kick than a twelve, ceterus paribus, but firing slugs in a twenty is still not the most pleasant diversion. Gas operated shotguns have a bit softer recoil impulse, fitting a heavier stock helps, along with any recoil reducing devices. Police moved to them when they started getting a larger number of female officers but then many have moved on to the AR from shotguns. It takes practice to fire shotguns effectively and that will still be less pleasant than firing a low recoil AR in 5.56.

On recoil, a twenty gauge is equivalent to two 44 magnum shells going off at once and pushing back at you.

Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 10:08 PM (pO7gM)

646 644
617 redc1c4, a 1:9 will do just fine to stabilize 55 gr down to bout 50
gr or so. The 1:12 is also fine for the 5.56 and 55 gr. but the old
1:14 twist came from the triple deuce .222 Remington varminteer
cartridge that was the ancestor of the 5.56. Those folks liked to shoot
30 gr to 50 gr bullets and so the twist was not that optimal for the AR
and its 55 gr bullet in all conditions.



The whole twist rate come from Greenhill formula but it is more a
rule of thumb than an absolute--it gives a range of bullets that you get
optimal stabilization from according to theory. You can find online
barrel twist calculators if you really get deep into it.

Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 10:04 PM (pO7gM)

I had a Savage 24V with .223 over 20 Ga, and I could not get it to shoot 55 55 gr. with any amount of accuracy. I sold it once I found out that old 30 gr to 50 gr bullet suitable for 1:12 to 1:14 formula is what the Savage spec was based on.

Posted by: flounder at November 29, 2020 10:09 PM (KnJdm)

647 On recoil, a twenty gauge is equivalent to two 44 magnum shells going off at once and pushing back at you.

Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 10:08 PM (pO7gM)

heh I remember that same comparison decades ago per effectiveness of a 20 gauge slug. I never did the ballistics on it but that is exactly what they used to say.

Posted by: Quint at November 29, 2020 10:11 PM (OqDgx)

648 It is my opinion that it is every citizen responsibility to provide for their self and common defense, with few exceptions (infirm, indigent, incompetent, dangerous felon). An AR15 makes perfect sense to fulfill part of those responsibilities.
Otherwise, I want is enough justification for any free-breathing American.
Posted by: flounder at November 29, 2020 09:46 PM (KnJdm)

The way I see it, even IF we had a police force on all levels that were staffed with nothing but professionals, who busted their asses to keep their ranks that way, and worked OT to earn the public's trust every single day...the truth is, the police cannot be everywhere all the time. And bad things will STILL happen. Therefore, if you farm out your safety and protection from the criminal element to the police, you are an idiot.

The police exist to INVESTIGATE crime. "To serve and protect" sounds really nice and is a cool thing to see stenciled on a cop car, but that is in no way the rationale for the cops to exist. It is an empty slogan and a waste of paint. Cops who espouse that line are better off using their breath for other things.

Therefore, every citizen MUST have the means to defend themselves against threats. And as you say, they should defend themselves as a matter of civic responsibility.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 29, 2020 10:17 PM (/rbea)

649 Yeah. There's a federal law that supposedly allows him (as a cop) to conceal carry anywhere in the US, so he wasn't too worried. But he was a bit miffed. Like "I tried to follow their laws, but they basically told me to go fuck myself"
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 29, 2020 08:46 PM (UPoLF)

As a matter of principle, at the VERY MINIMUM cops, military, and honorably discharged vets should conceal carry anywhere. The principle being that "if the government trusts you to carry a gun as a job requirement, then that should extend everywhere".

(Note: I said "very minumum". In a perfect world, everyone can and should be able to carry from sea to shining sea without any legal hassle.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 29, 2020 10:36 PM (/rbea)

650 Didn't get to range. Did go muzzleloader hunting. Did fire a fouling shot before going. Did get in 18,000 steps that day.
Dad taught me to breath for shot some iterations of 29 years ago. He also taught Mom. She played basketball and knew how to lead a running player with a throw arch over the opposition. Seemed to be a direct skill transfer to throwing hot lead. Never seen her miss a running deer at any range.

Posted by: Igotnothing at November 29, 2020 10:37 PM (xf2hT)

651 646 flounder, as you obviously know every rifle is an individual ultimately due to a whole host of issues beyond rifle twist. That is why you find some individuals that have rifles where the Greenhill formula does not quite work especially at the margin. Similar controversy over 5R rifling, polygonal rifling, number of grooves and lands, odd versus even grooves and lands, or Marlin's microgroove etc.

I use the Greenhill formula as a rule of thumb on twist unless grossly outside the usable range.

Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 10:45 PM (pO7gM)

652 647 Quint, in a 7.5 lb rifle, a 44 Mag generates just under 10 ft lbs of recoil, in a similar weight shotgun, a 20 gauge generates about 20-21 ft lbs of recoil.

Posted by: whig at November 29, 2020 10:48 PM (pO7gM)

653 the left can shoot better than you rubes, since they are more adept at video games

Posted by: seebt at November 30, 2020 01:08 AM (hCqcJ)

654 mornin yall. If you have not discovered populist.press yet you should.

"Warehouse with 50,000 voting machines burns down in Venezuela"

Posted by: f'd at November 30, 2020 07:10 AM (d2SN9)

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