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The Intellectual Or Artistic Output of "Evil" Men: Is It Off Limits?
On Friday's Art Thread there was an interesting discussion about whether the art should be judged with the artist in mind...
Wagner the man was a rat bastard in many ways but the mother could compose. Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur WranglerAnd I responded: And that brings up the larger question of whether is is internally consistent to enjoy the works of those whose political philosophy and behavior is anathema to what we believe. And we were off! Muldoon:
I like to think in the same terms that I try to when it comes to authors, essayists, entertainers, pundits and commentators. That is there is a balance between the person and the product. If a Michael Moore speaks a truth, it can be accepted as truth and appreciated outside the context of Michael Moore's total body of work, yet the total body of work affects my willingness to look for the occasional nugget of truth. A single Tom Cruise movie might be enjoyable, but after a while the constant jaw-clenching facial expressions make it about Tom Cruise, not the storytelling, and it becomes less enjoyable. If an artist or entertainer isn't wearing their politics on their sleeve and doesn't have a track record of supporting vile politics, go ahead and enjoy the work. But if the man's overall body of work is vile, reject the man by rejecting his art.We are confronted by this in popular culture to an insane extent. Seemingly every dancing monkey and ventriloquist's dummy in Hollywood and the music industry feels compelled to plague us with his political philosophy, moronic and inconsistent and dismissive of most Americans though most of them are. And dipping our toes into the history of some of the greatest artists and writers and composers can leave one with a very bad taste in one's mouth. For example, I love Hemingway's writing, in particular his short works. But I am also aware that the man was a horrid friend, a worse parent, and had political tastes that supposedly included drinking daiquiris while observing Che Guevara murdering his political enemies. Whether that is true is beside the point. The man was a prick. Fast forward a few generations and we arrive at Steven King, whose early works were quite good as light reads (though not on par with Hemingway, except perhaps in his own mind), but the man hates us! His vitriolic spewings about anyone to the right of George McGovern makes it clear that he wants no part of vast swaths of America, except when they buy his books. The list goes on and on. Serious art, fluffy movies, popular music...it's all filled with politically charged blather from the so-called "artists." Luckily it is easy to ignore most of it, since most of it is crap. But the filter of time has preserved some fine work by some not-so-fine people, and that is a more difficult and interesting dilemma.
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FIRST!!!
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 12:03 PM (zr5Kq)
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Ulots of evil out there
Posted by: Skip at November 29, 2020 12:04 PM (9sWOw)
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If I cleaned my screen once in awhile you wouldn't be
Posted by: Skip at November 29, 2020 12:04 PM (9sWOw)
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I turn Michael Jackson music off as soon as it's played.
Posted by: scottst at November 29, 2020 12:05 PM (/QQch)
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Are we allowed the visit Aztec temple-pyramids or the Coliseum?
Furthermore, when it comes to humanity, we're typically talking about degrees of evil.
Furthermore, when it comes to humanity, we're typically talking about degrees of evil.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 29, 2020 12:05 PM (Zm+LZ)
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Charlie Manson coulda' sold a million records....after he became "famous".
Posted by: BignJames at November 29, 2020 12:06 PM (AwYPR)
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Every movie made in the Soviet Union was financed through slave labor directly.
And yet the Soviet Union made some of the best movies ever like The Cranes are Flying and Andrei Rublev.
Since the Soviet Union no longer exists, I feel no guilt about supporting Mosfilm, the state film company that produced everything through the Soviet Union's existence, but it does raise this very specific question.
If I were alive in the 60s, how much Soviet cinema would I be willing to enjoy?
And yet the Soviet Union made some of the best movies ever like The Cranes are Flying and Andrei Rublev.
Since the Soviet Union no longer exists, I feel no guilt about supporting Mosfilm, the state film company that produced everything through the Soviet Union's existence, but it does raise this very specific question.
If I were alive in the 60s, how much Soviet cinema would I be willing to enjoy?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, catching up on stuff I've bought recently at November 29, 2020 12:06 PM (LvTSG)
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Which is not to say that we should be financing people trying to destroy us. It's not the act of enjoying the work that is a problem, it's the act of financing your own destruction.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 29, 2020 12:06 PM (Zm+LZ)
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I read that Da Vinci and Michelangelo spat at one another on the streets of Italy. So even the Great Ones can be petty
Posted by: Jmel at November 29, 2020 12:07 PM (DYFMn)
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In basic training at Fort Jackson, I made a chess board out of tiny pieces of paper. My score was 0-6 by the time we left, I am not good at it.
At some point someone made me chuckle, not a full-on laugh but just a little "a-heh". My breath moved all the pieces.
At some point someone made me chuckle, not a full-on laugh but just a little "a-heh". My breath moved all the pieces.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 29, 2020 12:07 PM (LxTcq)
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Starting to hate those who hate me more, why should I help enrich them?
Posted by: Skip at November 29, 2020 12:07 PM (9sWOw)
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9 I read that Da Vinci and Michelangelo spat at one another on the streets of Italy. So even the Great Ones can be petty
Posted by: Jmel at November 29, 2020 12:07 PM (DYFMn)
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Michelangelo had it coming.
I mean, who wears a blue mask with green skin?
Posted by: Jmel at November 29, 2020 12:07 PM (DYFMn)
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Michelangelo had it coming.
I mean, who wears a blue mask with green skin?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, catching up on stuff I've bought recently at November 29, 2020 12:08 PM (LvTSG)
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I love this topic.
Just recently I had a discussion with an uber liberal trump hater business associate of mine. He quoted George Bernard Shaw on LinkedIn and asked why I didn't 'like' his post.
I told him that GBS was a fabian socialist and eugenicist and I didn't care to read or support his views.
*crickets* from my associate. He didn't know or care about Shaw's past, and then he reiterated how great the quote was. It was like I didn't say a thing.
Just recently I had a discussion with an uber liberal trump hater business associate of mine. He quoted George Bernard Shaw on LinkedIn and asked why I didn't 'like' his post.
I told him that GBS was a fabian socialist and eugenicist and I didn't care to read or support his views.
*crickets* from my associate. He didn't know or care about Shaw's past, and then he reiterated how great the quote was. It was like I didn't say a thing.
Posted by: squeakywheel at November 29, 2020 12:09 PM (/Pc8P)
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13 I love this topic.
Just recently I had a discussion with an uber liberal trump hater business associate of mine. He quoted George Bernard Shaw on LinkedIn and asked why I didn't 'like' his post.
I told him that GBS was a fabian socialist and eugenicist and I didn't care to read or support his views.
*crickets* from my associate. He didn't know or care about Shaw's past, and then he reiterated how great the quote was. It was like I didn't say a thing.
Posted by: squeakywheel at November 29, 2020 12:09 PM (/Pc8P)
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Hitler had some choice quotes too, I'm sure.
Just recently I had a discussion with an uber liberal trump hater business associate of mine. He quoted George Bernard Shaw on LinkedIn and asked why I didn't 'like' his post.
I told him that GBS was a fabian socialist and eugenicist and I didn't care to read or support his views.
*crickets* from my associate. He didn't know or care about Shaw's past, and then he reiterated how great the quote was. It was like I didn't say a thing.
Posted by: squeakywheel at November 29, 2020 12:09 PM (/Pc8P)
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Hitler had some choice quotes too, I'm sure.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, catching up on stuff I've bought recently at November 29, 2020 12:09 PM (LvTSG)
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7: Solaris is one of my favorite films. Haunting and beautiful. Based on a book written by a Pole, movie made by the Soviet Union in the early 70s.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 29, 2020 12:10 PM (SXvwb)
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I have always been able to cancel something I thoroughly enjoyed if principle was involved. That's also why ignorance is bliss is a good thing for me occasionally.
Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 12:11 PM (2DOZq)
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Michelangelo had it coming.
I mean, who wears a blue mask with green skin?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, catching up on stuff I've bought recently at November 29, 2020 12:08 PM (LvTSG)
That was Leonardo. Michelangelo wore orange.
Michelangelo had it coming.
I mean, who wears a blue mask with green skin?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, catching up on stuff I've bought recently at November 29, 2020 12:08 PM (LvTSG)
That was Leonardo. Michelangelo wore orange.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 12:11 PM (nakwk)
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15 7: Solaris is one of my favorite films. Haunting and beautiful. Based on a book written by a Pole, movie made by the Soviet Union in the early 70s.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 29, 2020 12:10 PM (SXvwb)
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Stanislaw Lem hated both adaptations of his story, both by Tarkovsky and Soderbergh.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 29, 2020 12:10 PM (SXvwb)
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Stanislaw Lem hated both adaptations of his story, both by Tarkovsky and Soderbergh.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, catching up on stuff I've bought recently at November 29, 2020 12:11 PM (LvTSG)
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I contend that one's (evil) nature will permeate an individual's work. It cannot be that good if it comes from an evil being. One's adherence to a political philosophy different from my own is not a repellent, strictly. It also depends on the type of work. Fiction - I can tolerate it. Again, up to a point. Hollywood lost me a long time ago.
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 12:12 PM (zr5Kq)
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He quoted George Bernard Shaw on LinkedIn and asked why I didn't 'like' his post.
All the other monkeys clapped, why didn't you?
He quoted George Bernard Shaw on LinkedIn and asked why I didn't 'like' his post.
All the other monkeys clapped, why didn't you?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 29, 2020 12:12 PM (pNxlR)
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I often feel torn over Roger Waters. I love Pink Floyd, some of their music I consider down right genius, particularly Dark Side of the Moon, however....that being said.....sweet Jesus is Roger Waters a loathsome, sanctimonious, relentless prick!
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:13 PM (1Bpwm)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 29, 2020 12:13 PM (+y/Ru)
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Stanislaw Lem hated both adaptations of his story, both by Tarkovsky and Soderbergh.
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Well, good. I'm sure the book was better. They usually are. Still love the Tarkovsky version.
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Well, good. I'm sure the book was better. They usually are. Still love the Tarkovsky version.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 29, 2020 12:14 PM (SXvwb)
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21 I often feel torn over Roger Waters. I love Pink Floyd, some of their music I consider down right genius, particularly Dark Side of the Moon, however....that being said.....sweet Jesus is Roger Waters a loathsome, sanctimonious, relentless prick!
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:13 PM (1Bpwm)
And a raging anti-Semite.
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:13 PM (1Bpwm)
And a raging anti-Semite.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 12:14 PM (nakwk)
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All the other monkeys clapped, why didn't you?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot
LOL
These are the same people who claim that LinkedIn is 'non-political'!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot
LOL
These are the same people who claim that LinkedIn is 'non-political'!
Posted by: squeakywheel at November 29, 2020 12:15 PM (/Pc8P)
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I learned long ago that unless I never want to listen to music or watch any TV/movies I have to separate the art from the people creating the art.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 12:15 PM (22mNy)
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After reading Miles Davis autobiography, my wife can't stand listening to any of Miles' albums, no matter how wonderful they were.
I understand that sentiment. He was a horrid person.
I understand that sentiment. He was a horrid person.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 29, 2020 12:16 PM (4tiP2)
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Being a great artist doesn't make someone a great human being. Even Hitler could paint.
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:16 PM (1Bpwm)
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TWO COATS!
Posted by: Aylmer at November 29, 2020 12:17 PM (+9XkZ)
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25 All the other monkeys clapped, why didn't you?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot
LOL
These are the same people who claim that LinkedIn is 'non-political'!
Posted by: squeakywheel at November 29, 2020 12:15 PM (/Pc8P)
Non-political my shapely white ass. Damn near everyone is trying out-diversity, out-inclusiveness, and out-woke each other.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot
LOL
These are the same people who claim that LinkedIn is 'non-political'!
Posted by: squeakywheel at November 29, 2020 12:15 PM (/Pc8P)
Non-political my shapely white ass. Damn near everyone is trying out-diversity, out-inclusiveness, and out-woke each other.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 12:17 PM (nakwk)
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28 Being a great artist doesn't make someone a great human being. Even Hitler could paint.
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:16 PM (1Bpwm)
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An entire apartment in one afternoon. Two coats!
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:16 PM (1Bpwm)
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An entire apartment in one afternoon. Two coats!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, catching up on stuff I've bought recently at November 29, 2020 12:17 PM (LvTSG)
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Someone asked you why you didnt like a post? Lol. Talk about a self centered cuck.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 12:17 PM (22mNy)
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28 Being a great artist doesn't make someone a great human being. Even Hitler could paint.
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:16 PM (1Bpwm)
Uhhhhhh
-Austrian Art School
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:16 PM (1Bpwm)
Uhhhhhh
-Austrian Art School
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 29, 2020 12:17 PM (Zm+LZ)
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Yeah, glad I saw James T in very early 73.
Great lyricist.
Great guitarist.
Great voice.
Worldview? Idiocy on wheels.
Hasn't seen a dime of my money in a very long time.
Yeah, glad I saw James T in very early 73.
Great lyricist.
Great guitarist.
Great voice.
Worldview? Idiocy on wheels.
Hasn't seen a dime of my money in a very long time.
Posted by: TeeJ at November 29, 2020 12:17 PM (p/F+I)
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Politics is the enemy of art.
Posted by: occam's brassiere at November 29, 2020 12:17 PM (evxBY)
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As was me mentioned in the morning thread..
Watched Hamilton last night...
It is without a doubt the most pro-American, pro-founding fathers bit of entertainment you will ever see in popular culture.
I agree with LizLem, Washington is portrayed as the living emodomwnt of courage, authority and humility.
Highly, highly reccomemd.
Watched Hamilton last night...
It is without a doubt the most pro-American, pro-founding fathers bit of entertainment you will ever see in popular culture.
I agree with LizLem, Washington is portrayed as the living emodomwnt of courage, authority and humility.
Highly, highly reccomemd.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 29, 2020 12:18 PM (U8yWc)
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Every movie made in the Soviet Union was financed through slave labor directly.
And yet the Soviet Union made some of the best movies ever like The Cranes are Flying and Andrei Rublev..
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I don't think it is a good analogy. You are conflating individual artists and a political system. Soviet Union did not make movies. Kalatozov and Tarkovsky created art in spite of the system.
And yet the Soviet Union made some of the best movies ever like The Cranes are Flying and Andrei Rublev..
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I don't think it is a good analogy. You are conflating individual artists and a political system. Soviet Union did not make movies. Kalatozov and Tarkovsky created art in spite of the system.
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 12:18 PM (zr5Kq)
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I think one distinction between Wagner and Stone is that Wagner has been dead for a century so he'll vex us no more. Who knows what Stone will do?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 29, 2020 12:18 PM (+y/Ru)
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I use linked in because it is a good way to keep in touch with business peeps. But as far as wokeness goes it is a 12 on the 0-10 scale. Nothing but diverse this, inclusive that, and grrrrrrl power. As well as pushing enviro nonsense.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 12:19 PM (22mNy)
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I assume most of the musicians I like are of the left. If they're not I'd be pleasantly surprised. So I just listen until they force me to take note of their personal and political philosophies.
Lewis Carroll was a weirdo and possibly a pervert. Does that mean Alice in Wonderland should be off limits?
Lewis Carroll was a weirdo and possibly a pervert. Does that mean Alice in Wonderland should be off limits?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at November 29, 2020 12:19 PM (lgiXo)
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This reminds me of a question I like to ask to see people's different viewpoints.
Was John Brown a hero or a traitor ? ( first American executed for treason)
Was John Brown a hero or a traitor ? ( first American executed for treason)
Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 12:19 PM (2DOZq)
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36 As was me mentioned in the morning thread..
Watched Hamilton last night...
It is without a doubt the most pro-American, pro-founding fathers bit of entertainment you will ever see in popular culture.
I agree with LizLem, Washington is portrayed as the living emodomwnt of courage, authority and humility.
Highly, highly reccomemd.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 29, 2020 12:18 PM (U8yWc)
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It's also built like a highlight reel of events in Hamilton's life, jerking from one thing to another with virtually no strong thesis on the character to drive the action. It plays like a Wikipedia article of his life set to rap music.
Watched Hamilton last night...
It is without a doubt the most pro-American, pro-founding fathers bit of entertainment you will ever see in popular culture.
I agree with LizLem, Washington is portrayed as the living emodomwnt of courage, authority and humility.
Highly, highly reccomemd.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 29, 2020 12:18 PM (U8yWc)
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It's also built like a highlight reel of events in Hamilton's life, jerking from one thing to another with virtually no strong thesis on the character to drive the action. It plays like a Wikipedia article of his life set to rap music.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, catching up on stuff I've bought recently at November 29, 2020 12:19 PM (LvTSG)
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Hi longtime caller, first time listener. I just wanted to chime in because I was involved in a conversation with some puritans (old school...the bad kind) about whether or not it was okay to listen to classical music because the composers were not Christian themselves. Totally a ridiculous argument but I feel that my conclusion applies here as well: I can enjoy the talents that God has granted a man without accepting the man himself.
Plus where does it end? Do we not drive Volkswagon or Mercedes because they were a product of the 3rd Reich? Better not drive on the Autobahn either...
Plus where does it end? Do we not drive Volkswagon or Mercedes because they were a product of the 3rd Reich? Better not drive on the Autobahn either...
Posted by: WhereTheresAWill at November 29, 2020 12:19 PM (i7g4L)
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Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:13 PM
Saw the Wall live, have all PF albums but the rarest up to their original breakup but dropped them like a hot rock by mid 90s because RW is a ass
Saw the Wall live, have all PF albums but the rarest up to their original breakup but dropped them like a hot rock by mid 90s because RW is a ass
Posted by: Skip at November 29, 2020 12:20 PM (9sWOw)
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Even Hitler could paint.
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:16 PM (1Bpwm)
I wonder how much he produced...and who has it?
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:16 PM (1Bpwm)
I wonder how much he produced...and who has it?
Posted by: BignJames at November 29, 2020 12:20 PM (AwYPR)
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39 I use linked in because it is a good way to keep in touch with business peeps. But as far as wokeness goes it is a 12 on the 0-10 scale. Nothing but diverse this, inclusive that, and grrrrrrl power. As well as pushing enviro nonsense.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 12:19 PM (22mNy)
Oh yes. The corporate line is hard left, and plenty of people are just champing at the bit to toe that line.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 12:19 PM (22mNy)
Oh yes. The corporate line is hard left, and plenty of people are just champing at the bit to toe that line.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 12:20 PM (nakwk)
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All the other monkeys clapped, why didn't you?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot
LOL
These are the same people who claim that LinkedIn is 'non-political'!
Posted by: squeakywheel
I have learned over the last decade or so that so many people are willfully ignorant of any knowledge of history. Nor do they have any curiosity about it.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot
LOL
These are the same people who claim that LinkedIn is 'non-political'!
Posted by: squeakywheel
I have learned over the last decade or so that so many people are willfully ignorant of any knowledge of history. Nor do they have any curiosity about it.
Posted by: Infidel at November 29, 2020 12:20 PM (QoPXA)
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I've always been amazed how thoroughly ignorant some smart people can be.
Posted by: Blacksheep at November 29, 2020 12:20 PM (6mvRv)
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You have to separate the art from the artist. If you see or hear something and it appeals to you, you cannot deny that you like it. What might overcome that appeal is the artist is so objectionable to you that you would deny yourself access to that thing you like.
Posted by: f'd at November 29, 2020 12:21 PM (qLyVB)
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Plus where does it end? Do we not drive Volkswagon or Mercedes because they were a product of the 3rd Reich? Better not drive on the Autobahn either...
Posted by: WhereTheresAWill at November 29, 2020 12:19 PM (i7g4L)
So many of those examples coming out of the 3rd Reich.
Posted by: WhereTheresAWill at November 29, 2020 12:19 PM (i7g4L)
So many of those examples coming out of the 3rd Reich.
Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 12:21 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: NC Ref at November 29, 2020 12:21 PM (AOmVJ)
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If an artist is a free thinker and willing to listen to other viewpoints then fine. If they want to lecture me about how I should live my life then f'em. Just because someone can act or play music it doesn't mean they know anything about anything else.
Posted by: f'd at November 29, 2020 12:22 PM (qLyVB)
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One of my favorite musicians is Yo-yo Ma and he played for Obozo's inauguration. But I forgave him.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 29, 2020 12:22 PM (+y/Ru)
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Many years ago now the Chinese Circus came to Winnipeg. I found it fascinating but now I wouldn't go.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at November 29, 2020 12:22 PM (lgiXo)
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I have to separate the art from the people creating the art.
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Imagine reading the comments at AOSHQ without any nicknames or identifiers. Wouldn't be nearly as entertaining. I think to an extent, the art IS the person creating it, and vice versa.
Can the idea stand on its own merits or does the context and perspective of the person expressing the idea influence the perception of the idea?
For example, I am willing to consider other people's points of view regarding face masks, but certain commenters (who shall not be named) get an automatic rejection and a skip over, based on past experience.
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Imagine reading the comments at AOSHQ without any nicknames or identifiers. Wouldn't be nearly as entertaining. I think to an extent, the art IS the person creating it, and vice versa.
Can the idea stand on its own merits or does the context and perspective of the person expressing the idea influence the perception of the idea?
For example, I am willing to consider other people's points of view regarding face masks, but certain commenters (who shall not be named) get an automatic rejection and a skip over, based on past experience.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 29, 2020 12:22 PM (m45I2)
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37 I don't think it is a good analogy. You are conflating individual artists and a political system. Soviet Union did not make movies. Kalatozov and Tarkovsky created art in spite of the system.
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 12:18 PM (zr5Kq)
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Who makes the art? The one crafting it or the one financing it? The director or the producer?
If I was to purchase a ticket in 1960 to view a Soviet film, who would be benefiting? The director or the producer? Kalatozov or Mosfilm?
And Kalatozov was, as far as I can tell, a true believer. Tarkovsky wasn't, though.
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 12:18 PM (zr5Kq)
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Who makes the art? The one crafting it or the one financing it? The director or the producer?
If I was to purchase a ticket in 1960 to view a Soviet film, who would be benefiting? The director or the producer? Kalatozov or Mosfilm?
And Kalatozov was, as far as I can tell, a true believer. Tarkovsky wasn't, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, catching up on stuff I've bought recently at November 29, 2020 12:23 PM (LvTSG)
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41 This reminds me of a question I like to ask to see people's different viewpoints.
Was John Brown a hero or a traitor ? ( first American executed for treason)
Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 12:19 PM (2DOZq)
Treason doesn't seem like the correct charge, but strictly speaking there's no reason a person couldn't be both.
As for whether or not he was a hero, it depends on your assumptions. It's like a more ambiguous nuke Japan or not question. Did it make things better, worse, no impact? He was doubtless a man of bravery and conviction, but that doesn't answer the question.
Was John Brown a hero or a traitor ? ( first American executed for treason)
Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 12:19 PM (2DOZq)
Treason doesn't seem like the correct charge, but strictly speaking there's no reason a person couldn't be both.
As for whether or not he was a hero, it depends on your assumptions. It's like a more ambiguous nuke Japan or not question. Did it make things better, worse, no impact? He was doubtless a man of bravery and conviction, but that doesn't answer the question.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 29, 2020 12:23 PM (Zm+LZ)
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I can't separate a modern-day entertainer, musician, actor, artist, author who feels it necessary to either malign me because of my political views ("don't buy my stuff if you support Trump!") or supports leftist ideology that has deeply contributed to the demise of America as we now stand. I just can't do it. But I'm also finding that feeling creeping in when I watch an old movie or show, for example, whose actors held leftist beliefs. Because I think they helped contribute to where we are now, and that I cannot forgive or accept. Will Geer, John Randolph, Elsa Lanchester, even Helen Keller (and so many others I can't think off the top of my head) have had support of Communism or Socialism linked to them. Right or wrong, they're polluted in my mind.
Posted by: Lady in Black at November 29, 2020 12:23 PM (O+I8R)
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@42
I mean, sure, but so what.
How many contemporary mass entertainments do we have extolling the virtue of the founding fathers?
Precisely zero.
They shoe horn so many events and concepts into three hours that it should really be required viewing.
I mean, sure, but so what.
How many contemporary mass entertainments do we have extolling the virtue of the founding fathers?
Precisely zero.
They shoe horn so many events and concepts into three hours that it should really be required viewing.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 29, 2020 12:23 PM (U8yWc)
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I wonder how much he produced...and who has it?
Posted by: BignJames at November 29, 2020 12:20 PM (AwYPR)
Not much. He was really good at paintylandscape/ buildings but less than average with portraits / people. I think there are 3 or 4 known paintings that exist.
Posted by: BignJames at November 29, 2020 12:20 PM (AwYPR)
Not much. He was really good at paintylandscape/ buildings but less than average with portraits / people. I think there are 3 or 4 known paintings that exist.
Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 12:23 PM (2DOZq)
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17 You mean Michaelangelo was the original Orange Man Bad?
Posted by: Mercenary13 at November 29, 2020 12:23 PM (cgMoM)
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Plus where does it end? Do we not drive Volkswagon or Mercedes because they were a product of the 3rd Reich? Better not drive on the Autobahn either...
Posted by: WhereTheresAWill at November 29, 2020 12:19 PM (i7g4L)
Nor the Interstate Defense Highway System, created under the direct influence and experience of theAutobahn.
Posted by: WhereTheresAWill at November 29, 2020 12:19 PM (i7g4L)
Nor the Interstate Defense Highway System, created under the direct influence and experience of theAutobahn.
Posted by: Fox2! at November 29, 2020 12:24 PM (qyH+l)
Posted by: Absolutely Not Stalin at November 29, 2020 12:24 PM (V+5KZ)
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Take the ring Gandalf, with it you can do good.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 29, 2020 12:25 PM (/Dgcm)
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in the early days of the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street I was debating a friend about their anti-capitalism fallacies. Since I'm a car guy I used Bill Gates and Henry Ford as examples. I said they never stole anything from me to become wealthy. I, and millions of others, willingly gave them our money for products that made our lives easier.
My friend is Jewish, and immediately I regretted using Henry Ford as an example. But he is from Detroit. So Henry Ford made his family, and millions of others, prosperous. Despite Henry Fords personal views.
My friend is Jewish, and immediately I regretted using Henry Ford as an example. But he is from Detroit. So Henry Ford made his family, and millions of others, prosperous. Despite Henry Fords personal views.
Posted by: I M Simpleton at November 29, 2020 12:25 PM (mjqoO)
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61 17 You mean Michaelangelo was the original Orange Man Bad?
Posted by: Mercenary13 at November 29, 2020 12:23 PM (cgMoM)
Orange Man Badass.
Posted by: Mercenary13 at November 29, 2020 12:23 PM (cgMoM)
Orange Man Badass.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 12:25 PM (nakwk)
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Do not use Roman roads... or were the Romans good...
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 29, 2020 12:26 PM (/Dgcm)
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The Soviets completely controlled all art within the state. For example, look at poor Shostakovich. He wasn't allowed to simply compose. Every few measures, every melody, every harmonic cadence had to be approved by several committees.
In the USA, we went in the entire opposite direction. We created modern art as a means of rejection of heavy handed Soviet art committees.
I've read stories that Jackson Pollack himself was an "op".
In the USA, we went in the entire opposite direction. We created modern art as a means of rejection of heavy handed Soviet art committees.
I've read stories that Jackson Pollack himself was an "op".
Posted by: attila the temporarily reasonable at November 29, 2020 12:26 PM (w7KSn)
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Two of the unwritten rules of behavior decided upon among my in-laws, particularly when gathered as a group, is that we ALL want to talk about politics and that we ALL agree that #orangemanbad. They know full well full well that their daughter / sister / aunt and I subscribe to neither rule, nor will we participate in any one-sided "discussions". They know, too, that both of us intensely dislike the Dims and their policies.
WE SAY NOTHING. I imagine that it bothers them no end that we won't, but there is no willingness demonstrated on their part that they want to listen to an opposing point of view, expressed calmly, yet forcefully.
OTOH, there is a couple, friends of us both, who are diehard Dims, and they know that we are not. We may touch on political topics from time to time, but the discussions have always been respectful and usually brief. Both sides know that we believe what we believe and that changing the minds of the other couple isn't something that is in the cards.
Is any of this ideal? No. But the barriers to open communication have been largely erected by the leftists and they show no sign of comprehending that they are the impediment, not us.
Two of the unwritten rules of behavior decided upon among my in-laws, particularly when gathered as a group, is that we ALL want to talk about politics and that we ALL agree that #orangemanbad. They know full well full well that their daughter / sister / aunt and I subscribe to neither rule, nor will we participate in any one-sided "discussions". They know, too, that both of us intensely dislike the Dims and their policies.
WE SAY NOTHING. I imagine that it bothers them no end that we won't, but there is no willingness demonstrated on their part that they want to listen to an opposing point of view, expressed calmly, yet forcefully.
OTOH, there is a couple, friends of us both, who are diehard Dims, and they know that we are not. We may touch on political topics from time to time, but the discussions have always been respectful and usually brief. Both sides know that we believe what we believe and that changing the minds of the other couple isn't something that is in the cards.
Is any of this ideal? No. But the barriers to open communication have been largely erected by the leftists and they show no sign of comprehending that they are the impediment, not us.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 29, 2020 12:26 PM (pNxlR)
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Does make you wonder though, do artists naturally lean left or has it just been collectively cultivated that way? I imagine it requires a higher level of narcissism to be a great artist. Narcissists like to look like they good people, they don't actually have the will power to BE good people, as with leftists.
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:26 PM (1Bpwm)
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Nothing but diverse this, inclusive that, and grrrrrrl power. As well as pushing enviro nonsense.
Posted by: Asshoes
Exactly. Add to the above the daily calls/requests to show your gratitude and your vulnerability. Well those certainly fit right in to the business world, don't they?
What really struck me was the appearance of a large and permanent suggestion section in my personal feed to 'amplify black voices'. Yup, totally free of politics.
Posted by: Asshoes
Exactly. Add to the above the daily calls/requests to show your gratitude and your vulnerability. Well those certainly fit right in to the business world, don't they?
What really struck me was the appearance of a large and permanent suggestion section in my personal feed to 'amplify black voices'. Yup, totally free of politics.
Posted by: squeakywheel at November 29, 2020 12:27 PM (/Pc8P)
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Nor the Interstate Defense Highway System, created under the direct influence and experience of theAutobahn.
Posted by: Fox2!
I should suggest to my few lib friends they not use the Interstate system as it represents cultural approbation!!
Posted by: Fox2!
I should suggest to my few lib friends they not use the Interstate system as it represents cultural approbation!!
Posted by: Tonypete at November 29, 2020 12:27 PM (Rvt88)
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And while I have not watched a second of football did just watch F-1 but watch only the race, not the BLM International Road show before the race starts.
Posted by: Skip at November 29, 2020 12:28 PM (9sWOw)
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I find it rather easy to divorce the artist from his persona. A good modern example is The Outlaw Josey Wales, based on a story by Asa Earl Carter aka Forest Carter. Forest Carter had some ugly personal views, and many would like to ban him and all of his works forever because of that. But his personal views don't change the fact that not only is Josey Wales a good story, it has a lot of insight into war, and death, and honor, and in the end, forgiveness.
I find it amusing that quite a few 20 somethings have wanted to un-person H.P. Lovecraft because someone on facebook told them his cat's name. (he had a black cat, and he thought it was funny to give it a name that started with N and ended with R)
I find it amusing that quite a few 20 somethings have wanted to un-person H.P. Lovecraft because someone on facebook told them his cat's name. (he had a black cat, and he thought it was funny to give it a name that started with N and ended with R)
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 29, 2020 12:28 PM (V2Yro)
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71 Nothing but diverse this, inclusive that, and grrrrrrl power. As well as pushing enviro nonsense.
Posted by: Asshoes
Exactly. Add to the above the daily calls/requests to show your gratitude and your vulnerability. Well those certainly fit right in to the business world, don't they?
What really struck me was the appearance of a large and permanent suggestion section in my personal feed to 'amplify black voices'. Yup, totally free of politics.
Posted by: squeakywheel at November 29, 2020 12:27 PM (/Pc8P)
It's not politics, it's justice!
Posted by: Asshoes
Exactly. Add to the above the daily calls/requests to show your gratitude and your vulnerability. Well those certainly fit right in to the business world, don't they?
What really struck me was the appearance of a large and permanent suggestion section in my personal feed to 'amplify black voices'. Yup, totally free of politics.
Posted by: squeakywheel at November 29, 2020 12:27 PM (/Pc8P)
It's not politics, it's justice!
Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 12:28 PM (nakwk)
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70 Does make you wonder though, do artists naturally lean left or has it just been collectively cultivated that way? I imagine it requires a higher level of narcissism to be a great artist. Narcissists like to look like they good people, they don't actually have the will power to BE good people, as with leftists.
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:26 PM (1Bpwm)
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Modern art is heavily corporatized and bureaucratic. Heavily institutionalized and supportive of groupthink.
Art itself tends to trend towards the individualistic, but we've created institutions that only reward certain types of expression.
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:26 PM (1Bpwm)
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Modern art is heavily corporatized and bureaucratic. Heavily institutionalized and supportive of groupthink.
Art itself tends to trend towards the individualistic, but we've created institutions that only reward certain types of expression.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, catching up on stuff I've bought recently at November 29, 2020 12:28 PM (LvTSG)
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How many contemporary mass entertainments do we have extolling the virtue of the founding fathers?
Precisely zero.
Does "1776" count? Or is that no long contemporary enough?
How many contemporary mass entertainments do we have extolling the virtue of the founding fathers?
Precisely zero.
Does "1776" count? Or is that no long contemporary enough?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 29, 2020 12:29 PM (pNxlR)
78
What did the Romans ever do for us?!!!!!
Posted by: JPF at November 29, 2020 12:29 PM (V+5KZ)
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Who makes the art? The one crafting it or the one financing it? The director or the producer?
If I was to purchase a ticket in 1960 to view a Soviet film, who would be benefiting? The director or the producer? Kalatozov or Mosfilm?
And Kalatozov was, as far as I can tell, a true believer. Tarkovsky wasn't, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, catching up on stuff I've bought recently at November 29, 2020 12:23 PM (LvTSG)
Artist makes the art, obviously. Resistance to the dictates of the system (those who promoted - the statee in this case) proved unbearable to many, that is why so many of them either died young, or were blacklisted.
If I was to purchase a ticket in 1960 to view a Soviet film, who would be benefiting? The director or the producer? Kalatozov or Mosfilm?
And Kalatozov was, as far as I can tell, a true believer. Tarkovsky wasn't, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, catching up on stuff I've bought recently at November 29, 2020 12:23 PM (LvTSG)
Artist makes the art, obviously. Resistance to the dictates of the system (those who promoted - the statee in this case) proved unbearable to many, that is why so many of them either died young, or were blacklisted.
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 12:29 PM (zr5Kq)
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This reminds me of a question I like to ask to see people's different viewpoints.
Was John Brown a hero or a traitor ?
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Here's another historical issue. Brutus killed Caesar to save the Republic. Had Caesar lived, he probably would've created a monarchy but if Brutus had survived he would've had to rule by force. Either way the Republic was dead.
Was John Brown a hero or a traitor ?
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Here's another historical issue. Brutus killed Caesar to save the Republic. Had Caesar lived, he probably would've created a monarchy but if Brutus had survived he would've had to rule by force. Either way the Republic was dead.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 29, 2020 12:30 PM (+y/Ru)
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70 Does make you wonder though, do artists naturally lean left or has it just been collectively cultivated that way? I imagine it requires a higher level of narcissism to be a great artist. Narcissists like to look like they good people, they don't actually have the will power to BE good people, as with leftists.
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:26 PM (1Bpwm)
Artists are largely from the group of people who might be considered retainers to the elite/aristocracy(the very bottom rung of the elite in a sense, they can climb socially). Elite thinking and depravity go hand in hand with leftist thinking. The fish rots from the head first.
Artists tend not to be especially well endowed when it comes to critical thinking so they follow the herd quite easily.
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:26 PM (1Bpwm)
Artists are largely from the group of people who might be considered retainers to the elite/aristocracy(the very bottom rung of the elite in a sense, they can climb socially). Elite thinking and depravity go hand in hand with leftist thinking. The fish rots from the head first.
Artists tend not to be especially well endowed when it comes to critical thinking so they follow the herd quite easily.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 29, 2020 12:30 PM (Zm+LZ)
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I know nothing about the poetry of Ezra Pound and I'm not particularly interested in exploring it but should he be banned for his disgusting political beliefs?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at November 29, 2020 12:30 PM (lgiXo)
Posted by: jsg at November 29, 2020 12:30 PM (ialuF)
84
Not much. He was really good at paintylandscape/ buildings but less than average with portraits / people. I think there are 3 or 4 known paintings that exist.
Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 12:23 PM (2DOZq)
From wiki: He produced hundreds of works.
A number of his paintings were recovered after the Second World War and have been sold at auction for tens of thousands of dollars. Others were seized by the United States Army and are still held by its government.
Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 12:23 PM (2DOZq)
From wiki: He produced hundreds of works.
A number of his paintings were recovered after the Second World War and have been sold at auction for tens of thousands of dollars. Others were seized by the United States Army and are still held by its government.
Posted by: BignJames at November 29, 2020 12:30 PM (AwYPR)
85
I don't know Rockwell's political philosophy but by his works I'd say they leaned conservative but it wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't. That said his works are much maligned by the Lefty elites exactly because of their subject matter.
Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 12:31 PM (2DOZq)
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I am always conflicted about this. I am sure most of the music I listen to is done by people who say they hate me. But until they say it in their music, I will listen. It's different with movies. It is difficult to find a movie that has a conservative hero or conservative values. I have completely given up on modern movies and tv. Nothing there entertains me, it's mostly insulting me and subtly calling me an idiot. I'm done with the lectures.
Posted by: megthered at November 29, 2020 12:31 PM (SM/op)
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>>> (he had a black cat, and he thought it was funny to give it a name that started with N and ended with R)<<<<
Wait until they hear about The Dam Busters.
Wait until they hear about The Dam Busters.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos (meh, it's a living) at November 29, 2020 12:31 PM (3DZIZ)
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Lest we forget, there was a time (post 1929 depression), even in the USA when communism was considered not only acceptable, but encouraged.
If you weren't a commie, you were a rat fink.
Songs were written ("Brother Can You Spare A Dime?"), novels, murals, music, movies.
Hard bitten commies considered FDR an affront to their sensibilities, because he "saved capitalism".
If you weren't a commie, you were a rat fink.
Songs were written ("Brother Can You Spare A Dime?"), novels, murals, music, movies.
Hard bitten commies considered FDR an affront to their sensibilities, because he "saved capitalism".
Posted by: attila the temporarily reasonable at November 29, 2020 12:31 PM (w7KSn)
Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 12:32 PM (2DOZq)
90
Here's another historical issue. Brutus killed Caesar to save the Republic. Had Caesar lived, he probably would've created a monarchy but if Brutus had survived he would've had to rule by force. Either way the Republic was dead.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 29, 2020 12:30 PM (+y/Ru)
Was Arminius a hero or a traitor?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 29, 2020 12:30 PM (+y/Ru)
Was Arminius a hero or a traitor?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at November 29, 2020 12:32 PM (lgiXo)
91
Whatever his politics, Jackson Pollack's body of work was, imho, embarrassingly pointless.
Posted by: Blacksheep at November 29, 2020 12:32 PM (6mvRv)
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41. Was John Brown a hero or a traitor ?
Yes.
Yes.
Posted by: Malcolm Kirkpatrick at November 29, 2020 12:32 PM (kD3S+)
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80 This reminds me of a question I like to ask to see people's different viewpoints.
Was John Brown a hero or a traitor ?
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Here's another historical issue. Brutus killed Caesar to save the Republic. Had Caesar lived, he probably would've created a monarchy but if Brutus had survived he would've had to rule by force. Either way the Republic was dead.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 29, 2020 12:30 PM (+y/Ru)
Though it may not have been possible to see at that point, the failure of the Gracchan reforms meant that the Republic was already dead, you can't long sustain a republic on oligarchic rule of a few elites. Practically speaking it rapidly trends towards a more monarchial system.
Was John Brown a hero or a traitor ?
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Here's another historical issue. Brutus killed Caesar to save the Republic. Had Caesar lived, he probably would've created a monarchy but if Brutus had survived he would've had to rule by force. Either way the Republic was dead.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 29, 2020 12:30 PM (+y/Ru)
Though it may not have been possible to see at that point, the failure of the Gracchan reforms meant that the Republic was already dead, you can't long sustain a republic on oligarchic rule of a few elites. Practically speaking it rapidly trends towards a more monarchial system.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 29, 2020 12:33 PM (Zm+LZ)
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Muldoon, quite some time back I started skipping certain 'nics.'
That list grew to the point that I just looked for certain nice.
Then a bunch of new folks started showing up.
Some really good,,, some,,, well...
Got back to reading pretty much everything again.
Pretty much all of the ones I skipped haven't changed or have left.
Hell, there's a sorta cob I never read and a full cob that I very, very rarely read.
Muldoon, quite some time back I started skipping certain 'nics.'
That list grew to the point that I just looked for certain nice.
Then a bunch of new folks started showing up.
Some really good,,, some,,, well...
Got back to reading pretty much everything again.
Pretty much all of the ones I skipped haven't changed or have left.
Hell, there's a sorta cob I never read and a full cob that I very, very rarely read.
Posted by: TeeJ at November 29, 2020 12:33 PM (p/F+I)
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We are supposed to have free expression of ideas, including thru art, but try making some art that contradicts the principles of the Left and see how long that lasts.
The Left is all about the "Arts" because they think it makes them look smart. How many times have you looked at some "art" and said "that looks like garbage"? Part of the kink is making people believe that garbage is art
The Left is all about the "Arts" because they think it makes them look smart. How many times have you looked at some "art" and said "that looks like garbage"? Part of the kink is making people believe that garbage is art
Posted by: f'd at November 29, 2020 12:33 PM (qLyVB)
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70 Does make you wonder though, do artists naturally lean left or has it just been collectively cultivated that way? I imagine it requires a higher level of narcissism to be a great artist. Narcissists like to look like they good people, they don't actually have the will power to BE good people, as with leftists.
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:26 PM (1Bpwm)
I think Performing Artists, absolutely, are predisposed to be hard left. (but not true creative Artists, who often are so into their own worlds that they are viewed as recluses and oddities by most who run into them)
Performing Artists spend their entire lives driven by an intense desire to do what other people will "Like". That's the only standard a Performing Artist knows - either the audience claps, or it boos, and they will do anything to stand on the stage and bask in that applause. We could spend time on how this is probably because they're desperately trying to bury the knowledge in their own minds that they are in fact completely reprehensible, amoral people, but that could take a while.
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:26 PM (1Bpwm)
I think Performing Artists, absolutely, are predisposed to be hard left. (but not true creative Artists, who often are so into their own worlds that they are viewed as recluses and oddities by most who run into them)
Performing Artists spend their entire lives driven by an intense desire to do what other people will "Like". That's the only standard a Performing Artist knows - either the audience claps, or it boos, and they will do anything to stand on the stage and bask in that applause. We could spend time on how this is probably because they're desperately trying to bury the knowledge in their own minds that they are in fact completely reprehensible, amoral people, but that could take a while.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 29, 2020 12:33 PM (V2Yro)
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Does make you wonder though, do artists naturally lean left or has it just been collectively cultivated that way? I imagine it requires a higher level of narcissism to be a great artist. Narcissists like to look like they good people, they don't actually have the will power to BE good people, as with leftists.
Read "artist's statements" sometime. All feelings and a damn near complete lack of anything grounded in rational thought. What the lefties do, above all else, is elevate "feelings" over any other consideration.
Does make you wonder though, do artists naturally lean left or has it just been collectively cultivated that way? I imagine it requires a higher level of narcissism to be a great artist. Narcissists like to look like they good people, they don't actually have the will power to BE good people, as with leftists.
Read "artist's statements" sometime. All feelings and a damn near complete lack of anything grounded in rational thought. What the lefties do, above all else, is elevate "feelings" over any other consideration.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 29, 2020 12:34 PM (pNxlR)
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Posted by: BignJames at November 29, 2020 12:30 PM (AwYPR)
If you look for his works on the internet you will only see the same 3 or 4 paintings.
If you look for his works on the internet you will only see the same 3 or 4 paintings.
Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 12:34 PM (2DOZq)
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One man's terrorist is another man's freedom-fighter, amirite ?
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 12:34 PM (zr5Kq)
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(he had a black cat, and he thought it was funny to give it a name that started with N and ended with R)
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When I was a kid, we lived across the street from a veterinarian who had a cat named N*gg*r Mama. Come evening he call out for his cat to come home, "N*gg*r Mama! N*gg*r Mama!"
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When I was a kid, we lived across the street from a veterinarian who had a cat named N*gg*r Mama. Come evening he call out for his cat to come home, "N*gg*r Mama! N*gg*r Mama!"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 29, 2020 12:35 PM (+y/Ru)
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84 It was fashionable in Europe at the time Hitler was painting for high backed chairs to have a scene, such as a landscape or street scene painted on the back. It is rumored Hitler did this for income.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at November 29, 2020 12:35 PM (I58tH)
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Plus where does it end? Do we not drive Volkswagon or Mercedes because they were a product of the 3rd Reich? Better not drive on the Autobahn either...
Posted by: WhereTheresAWill at November 29, 2020 12:19 PM (i7g4L)
Nor the Interstate Defense Highway System, created under the direct influence and experience of theAutobahn.
Posted by: Fox2
It does seem to be a very slippery slope, and ultimately it comes down to a personal assessment of how offensive the direct involvement or enthusiasm of the contributor is. Keep pulling the thread, and the Apollo program is tainted as well, with Nazi V2 rocket engineer Von Braun. And Bayer, Mitsubishi, etc.
Posted by: WhereTheresAWill at November 29, 2020 12:19 PM (i7g4L)
Nor the Interstate Defense Highway System, created under the direct influence and experience of theAutobahn.
Posted by: Fox2
It does seem to be a very slippery slope, and ultimately it comes down to a personal assessment of how offensive the direct involvement or enthusiasm of the contributor is. Keep pulling the thread, and the Apollo program is tainted as well, with Nazi V2 rocket engineer Von Braun. And Bayer, Mitsubishi, etc.
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings *President Re-Elect Donald Trump* at November 29, 2020 12:35 PM (uq7wL)
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Treason with never prosper
What's the reason?
What's the reason?
Posted by: I M Simpleton at November 29, 2020 12:36 PM (mjqoO)
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90 Here's another historical issue. Brutus killed Caesar to save the Republic. Had Caesar lived, he probably would've created a monarchy but if Brutus had survived he would've had to rule by force. Either way the Republic was dead.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 29, 2020 12:30 PM (+y/Ru)
Was Arminius a hero or a traitor?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at November 29, 2020 12:32 PM (lgiXo)
Arminius, aka Herman the German? Like all such questions, it depends on which side of the Rhine one was born on.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 29, 2020 12:30 PM (+y/Ru)
Was Arminius a hero or a traitor?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at November 29, 2020 12:32 PM (lgiXo)
Arminius, aka Herman the German? Like all such questions, it depends on which side of the Rhine one was born on.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 29, 2020 12:36 PM (V2Yro)
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21
I often feel torn over Roger Waters. I love Pink Floyd, some of their
music I consider down right genius, particularly Dark Side of the Moon,
however....that being said.....sweet Jesus is Roger Waters a loathsome,
sanctimonious, relentless prick!
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:13 PM (1Bpwm)
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This was the exact example I was going to use. The fact that Waters is a flaming douche does not take away from the genius of Dark Side of the Moon (or any of his other work with Pink Floyd). "Time" will always and forever be 'that song' for me, and so many great memories of my youth seem to have a Pink Floyd soundtrack behind them, but I'll never put another penny in the wallet of Roger Waters. That's how I separate it. I refuse to give up the things I already love because the artists or authors are assholes, but once I learn of their assholery, I won't consume any new product from them.
I often feel torn over Roger Waters. I love Pink Floyd, some of their
music I consider down right genius, particularly Dark Side of the Moon,
however....that being said.....sweet Jesus is Roger Waters a loathsome,
sanctimonious, relentless prick!
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:13 PM (1Bpwm)
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This was the exact example I was going to use. The fact that Waters is a flaming douche does not take away from the genius of Dark Side of the Moon (or any of his other work with Pink Floyd). "Time" will always and forever be 'that song' for me, and so many great memories of my youth seem to have a Pink Floyd soundtrack behind them, but I'll never put another penny in the wallet of Roger Waters. That's how I separate it. I refuse to give up the things I already love because the artists or authors are assholes, but once I learn of their assholery, I won't consume any new product from them.
Posted by: Pennsyltucky at November 29, 2020 12:37 PM (+3rQF)
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If you look for his works on the internet you will only see the same 3 or 4 paintings.
Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 12:34 PM (2DOZq)
I just counted 40+...do you ever check anything before you post?
Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 12:34 PM (2DOZq)
I just counted 40+...do you ever check anything before you post?
Posted by: BignJames at November 29, 2020 12:37 PM (AwYPR)
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I can't think of anything more absurd then disliking a painting or a piece of orchestral music because of the artists politics. The art stands on its own. And if the art is old, you're not putting $$$ in the artists pocket.
Posted by: rcocean at November 29, 2020 12:37 PM (evE25)
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Sir Roger Scruton had an amazing documentary called 'Does Beauty Matter?' Delves in to the art question, but it is really an interesting overview of what art is, what it isn't, and why beauty does matter.
It is well worth the hour run time. I think I've watched it three times already.
Scruton died this year, sadly.
It is well worth the hour run time. I think I've watched it three times already.
Scruton died this year, sadly.
Posted by: squeakywheel at November 29, 2020 12:37 PM (/Pc8P)
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@77
When 1776 hit Broadway, Reagan was still Governor of California, the country is literally not the same country.
So I'll take Hamilton imperfect as it may be.
When 1776 hit Broadway, Reagan was still Governor of California, the country is literally not the same country.
So I'll take Hamilton imperfect as it may be.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 29, 2020 12:38 PM (U8yWc)
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From an old-time sci-fi and fantasy fan.
Stephen King is an overrated hack, letting loose turbid, overwritten and overlong dreck.
The ONLY thing of his I semi-enjoyed was "Salem's Lot"
Stephen King is an overrated hack, letting loose turbid, overwritten and overlong dreck.
The ONLY thing of his I semi-enjoyed was "Salem's Lot"
Posted by: Mr. Trashbag, Shoggoth and Eater Of Toes at November 29, 2020 12:39 PM (fBtlL)
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With more contemporary art and entertainment its different. Do you want to give Hollywood or some left-wing writer or singer more $$ to support causes that destroy you and your way of life?
Posted by: rcocean at November 29, 2020 12:39 PM (evE25)
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Beauty matters. Except ....what is it ?
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 12:39 PM (zr5Kq)
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Aaron Copland himself was called before HUAC and had to admit, under questioning, that he was a Socialist.
Posted by: attila the temporarily reasonable at November 29, 2020 12:39 PM (w7KSn)
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Art vs. Politics is fun.
Do you watch any Disney movies? Do you buy their labeled *stuff* for the grandkids?
NFL?
MLB?
NBA?
Hockey?
Women's Soccer?
Erick Erickson?
Where does one draw the line?
I know I have one and it is pretty broad. I don't watch or buy *stuff* which supports people I think are inappropriately preaching their viewpoints.
Old dead guys, no problem though!
Do you watch any Disney movies? Do you buy their labeled *stuff* for the grandkids?
NFL?
MLB?
NBA?
Hockey?
Women's Soccer?
Erick Erickson?
Where does one draw the line?
I know I have one and it is pretty broad. I don't watch or buy *stuff* which supports people I think are inappropriately preaching their viewpoints.
Old dead guys, no problem though!
Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at November 29, 2020 12:39 PM (gtatv)
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112 Beauty matters. Except ....what is it ?
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 12:39 PM (zr5Kq)
You know it when you see tits.
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 12:39 PM (zr5Kq)
You know it when you see tits.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 29, 2020 12:39 PM (Zm+LZ)
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Ditto re Roger Waters, and more broadly, re anti-semites in general. It's hard to believe in 2020 that particular prejudice endures so virulently.
Posted by: Blacksheep at November 29, 2020 12:39 PM (6mvRv)
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>>This was the exact example I was going to use. The fact that Waters is a flaming douche does not take away from the genius of Dark Side of the Moon
Honestly, I don't see or hear genius in Dark Side.
It's good stuff. Probably the best of the 2nd gen Floyd works...but no way near genius.
Also, Fuck Roger Waters. Enjoy his music if you want, but buy it used or steal it.
Honestly, I don't see or hear genius in Dark Side.
It's good stuff. Probably the best of the 2nd gen Floyd works...but no way near genius.
Also, Fuck Roger Waters. Enjoy his music if you want, but buy it used or steal it.
Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2020 12:40 PM (ptxmk)
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And that brings up the larger question of whether is is internally consistent to enjoy the works of those whose political philosophy and behavior is anathema to what we believe.
Both are in the eye of the beholder, but if you tell ME I can't enjoy an artist because of such-and-such, then it's gone too far.
Both are in the eye of the beholder, but if you tell ME I can't enjoy an artist because of such-and-such, then it's gone too far.
Posted by: t-bird at November 29, 2020 12:40 PM (JioHo)
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And while I have not watched a second of football did just watch F-1 but
watch only the race, not the BLM International Road show before the
race starts.
How many garage nooses did they find?
watch only the race, not the BLM International Road show before the
race starts.
How many garage nooses did they find?
Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 29, 2020 12:40 PM (EgshT)
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The "handling" of the COVIDz is worse than the virus itself, example #242,311
Denver Broncos first string, second string and third string QBs are not eligible to play in today's game because of NFL league rules.
NOT be cause they are sick. None of the three report any symptoms.
NOT because they tested positive. All three have been repeatedly negative on daily PCR tests and periodic point of care tests (?antigen detection).
NOT because they were in contact with a person with COVID symptoms.
No, they are ineligible because they were in the same room as a person who later tested positive on a PCR test.
Someone please tell me again why we are testing asymptomatic individuals.
Denver Broncos first string, second string and third string QBs are not eligible to play in today's game because of NFL league rules.
NOT be cause they are sick. None of the three report any symptoms.
NOT because they tested positive. All three have been repeatedly negative on daily PCR tests and periodic point of care tests (?antigen detection).
NOT because they were in contact with a person with COVID symptoms.
No, they are ineligible because they were in the same room as a person who later tested positive on a PCR test.
Someone please tell me again why we are testing asymptomatic individuals.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 29, 2020 12:40 PM (m45I2)
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I can't think of anything more absurd then disliking a painting or a piece of orchestral music because of the artists politics. The art stands on its own. And if the art is old, you're not putting $$$ in the artists pocket.
Posted by: rcocean at November 29, 2020 12:37 PM (evE25)
Yeah, if Picasso hadn't signed his work, it'd still be worth $$$.
Posted by: rcocean at November 29, 2020 12:37 PM (evE25)
Yeah, if Picasso hadn't signed his work, it'd still be worth $$$.
Posted by: BignJames at November 29, 2020 12:40 PM (AwYPR)
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I just counted 40+...do you ever check anything before you post?
Posted by: BignJames at November 29, 2020 12:37 PM (AwYPR)
I'm going from my memory of when I searched this subject in the past. I'm incorrect. It happens.
Posted by: BignJames at November 29, 2020 12:37 PM (AwYPR)
I'm going from my memory of when I searched this subject in the past. I'm incorrect. It happens.
Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 12:40 PM (2DOZq)
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116 Ditto re Roger Waters, and more broadly, re anti-semites in general. It's hard to believe in 2020 that particular prejudice endures so virulently.
Posted by: Blacksheep at November 29, 2020 12:39 PM (6mvRv)
Why is it so hard to believe?
Posted by: Blacksheep at November 29, 2020 12:39 PM (6mvRv)
Why is it so hard to believe?
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 29, 2020 12:41 PM (Zm+LZ)
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interesting,eh?
https://tinyurl.com/yyhwcffs
BREAKING NEWS.
The FBI has now contacted
@PhillDKline
. Earlier this morning I had said they were also talking to
@MattBraynard
.
The FBI is officially investigating fraud in 2020 election.
https://tinyurl.com/yyhwcffs
BREAKING NEWS.
The FBI has now contacted
@PhillDKline
. Earlier this morning I had said they were also talking to
@MattBraynard
.
The FBI is officially investigating fraud in 2020 election.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 12:41 PM (vPzhp)
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Beauty matters. Except ....what is it ?
***
One of the central themes in the documentary, and Scruton makes an excellent case for what he thinks it is.
runner, watch the documentary. It really is very good.
***
One of the central themes in the documentary, and Scruton makes an excellent case for what he thinks it is.
runner, watch the documentary. It really is very good.
Posted by: squeakywheel at November 29, 2020 12:41 PM (/Pc8P)
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A hypothetical I've always enjoyed toying with along these lines is what about invaluable knowledge that comes from horrific sources?
Thought experiment: What if we found one of Mengeles journals and it had the cure for cancer in it? Assuming the cure doesn't call for further atrocities, do we destroy the knowledge because of where it came from? Or do we use it because it can save lives? I see it as the ultimate in virtual signalling vs pragmatism.
But what do I know? I'm a deplorable!
Thought experiment: What if we found one of Mengeles journals and it had the cure for cancer in it? Assuming the cure doesn't call for further atrocities, do we destroy the knowledge because of where it came from? Or do we use it because it can save lives? I see it as the ultimate in virtual signalling vs pragmatism.
But what do I know? I'm a deplorable!
Posted by: WhereTheresAWill at November 29, 2020 12:41 PM (i7g4L)
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 12:42 PM (zr5Kq)
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This was the exact example I was going to use. The fact that Waters is a flaming douche does not take away from the genius of Dark Side of the Moon (or any of his other work with Pink Floyd). "Time" will always and forever be 'that song' for me, and so many great memories of my youth seem to have a Pink Floyd soundtrack behind them, but I'll never put another penny in the wallet of Roger Waters. That's how I separate it. I refuse to give up the things I already love because the artists or authors are assholes, but once I learn of their assholery, I won't consume any new product from them.
Posted by: Pennsyltucky at November 29, 2020 12:37 PM (+3rQF)
When I finally found out who Roger Waters truly was, it explained to me why "The Wall", especially the film version sucked so badly. I remember going to see it at the movie theater, all excited because I loved Pink Floyd at the time, and walking out thinking "oh wow that really sucked!"
He was very good when he worked as a collaborator with musicians like David Gilmore. But with "The Wall", Waters was allowed to drive the project, which is how it turned into a piece of bizarre neo-nazi bullshit.
This was the exact example I was going to use. The fact that Waters is a flaming douche does not take away from the genius of Dark Side of the Moon (or any of his other work with Pink Floyd). "Time" will always and forever be 'that song' for me, and so many great memories of my youth seem to have a Pink Floyd soundtrack behind them, but I'll never put another penny in the wallet of Roger Waters. That's how I separate it. I refuse to give up the things I already love because the artists or authors are assholes, but once I learn of their assholery, I won't consume any new product from them.
Posted by: Pennsyltucky at November 29, 2020 12:37 PM (+3rQF)
When I finally found out who Roger Waters truly was, it explained to me why "The Wall", especially the film version sucked so badly. I remember going to see it at the movie theater, all excited because I loved Pink Floyd at the time, and walking out thinking "oh wow that really sucked!"
He was very good when he worked as a collaborator with musicians like David Gilmore. But with "The Wall", Waters was allowed to drive the project, which is how it turned into a piece of bizarre neo-nazi bullshit.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 29, 2020 12:42 PM (V2Yro)
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Speaking of Wagner, it always "amuses" me when people denounce Nietzsche because the Nazis used a corrupted version of his philosophy, completely ignoring that he wrote an entire polemic denouncing his once friend Wagner for Wagner's anti-Semitism.
Which then segues into the time I denounced Alan Rickman to a friend of mine who is such an extreme Zionist she makes Netanyahu look like a squish after she had praised Rickman. She was shocked into silence when I informed her that Rickman produced that hagiographic play about Saint Pancake.
One thing about the collision of art and politics is that it invariably results in a profound decline in the quality of the art produced in modern times. Stephen King is sort of an example given how lousy his later works are, but that was also affected by his accident and going sober and clean. A more direct example is Rob Reiner, whose movies turned to garbage when he started directing political screeds rather than entertainment.
Which then segues into the time I denounced Alan Rickman to a friend of mine who is such an extreme Zionist she makes Netanyahu look like a squish after she had praised Rickman. She was shocked into silence when I informed her that Rickman produced that hagiographic play about Saint Pancake.
One thing about the collision of art and politics is that it invariably results in a profound decline in the quality of the art produced in modern times. Stephen King is sort of an example given how lousy his later works are, but that was also affected by his accident and going sober and clean. A more direct example is Rob Reiner, whose movies turned to garbage when he started directing political screeds rather than entertainment.
Posted by: Sam at November 29, 2020 12:42 PM (ohyxL)
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>> Lest we forget, there was a time (post 1929 depression), even in the USA when communism was considered not only acceptable, but encouraged.
...by Progressives.
Who looked to use the Commies as a tool to gain power.
Communism was never embraced by the American Citizens. Only by the Academics and those who had Fame and Wealth.
...by Progressives.
Who looked to use the Commies as a tool to gain power.
Communism was never embraced by the American Citizens. Only by the Academics and those who had Fame and Wealth.
Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2020 12:42 PM (ptxmk)
131
But to be fair, a lot of those paintings are just claimed to be painted by Hitler.
Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 12:42 PM (2DOZq)
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The FBI is officially investigating fraud in 2020 election.
Posted by: bat nationalist
We just can't be sure which FBI is doing it.
Posted by: bat nationalist
We just can't be sure which FBI is doing it.
Posted by: t-bird at November 29, 2020 12:42 PM (JioHo)
133
I'm pleasantly surprised that 13 episodes into "The Mandalorian" that show-runner and primary writer Jon Favreau, who is as big a leftist idealogue as they come (he was an Obama speech-writer, after all) has yet to overtly push The Narrative in the show. No blatant allusions to Trump or aspersions cast on his supporters, no gay/lesbian/trans storylines or subplots, no climate change, no ham-handed attempts to deal with racism. Sure there are "strong female characters", but they are not written as completely infallible.
Even Lucas gave Darth Vader a line attributed to W. Bush, so I fear that it's only a matter of time before Favreau gives in to his nature. Enough leftists like and watch the show that their twitter rantings for "more inclusive" plotlines (aka LGBTQX characters) might force the issue.
However, Disney also knows this is the only thing keeping the entire Star Wars franchise on life support and saw how the Woke Sequels and Soylo torpedoed the franchise in the first place.
So yes, as long as he keeps politics/political religion out of Star Wars (as far as it traditionally had in the original movies), I will continue to watch and appreciate this show...though avoid paying Disney for the experience.
Even Lucas gave Darth Vader a line attributed to W. Bush, so I fear that it's only a matter of time before Favreau gives in to his nature. Enough leftists like and watch the show that their twitter rantings for "more inclusive" plotlines (aka LGBTQX characters) might force the issue.
However, Disney also knows this is the only thing keeping the entire Star Wars franchise on life support and saw how the Woke Sequels and Soylo torpedoed the franchise in the first place.
So yes, as long as he keeps politics/political religion out of Star Wars (as far as it traditionally had in the original movies), I will continue to watch and appreciate this show...though avoid paying Disney for the experience.
Posted by: reelkraken at November 29, 2020 12:43 PM (hCqcJ)
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Garum, the Med stinky fish paste was made and used by the Greeks and Romans.
The Greeks and Romans owned slaves.
Therefore stinky fish paste is racist and must be banned.
The Greeks and Romans owned slaves.
Therefore stinky fish paste is racist and must be banned.
Posted by: JPF at November 29, 2020 12:43 PM (V+5KZ)
135
133 I'm pleasantly surprised that 13 episodes into "The Mandalorian" that show-runner and primary writer Jon Favreau, who is as big a leftist idealogue as they come (he was an Obama speech-writer, after all) has yet to overtly push The Narrative in the show. No blatant allusions to Trump or aspersions cast on his supporters, no gay/lesbian/trans storylines or subplots, no climate change, no ham-handed attempts to deal with racism. Sure there are "strong female characters", but they are not written as completely infallible.
Even Lucas gave Darth Vader a line attributed to W. Bush, so I fear that it's only a matter of time before Favreau gives in to his nature. Enough leftists like and watch the show that their twitter rantings for "more inclusive" plotlines (aka LGBTQX characters) might force the issue.
However, Disney also knows this is the only thing keeping the entire Star Wars franchise on life support and saw how the Woke Sequels and Soylo torpedoed the franchise in the first place.
So yes, as long as he keeps politics/political religion out of Star Wars (as far as it traditionally had in the original movies), I will continue to watch and appreciate this show...though avoid paying Disney for the experience.
Posted by: reelkraken at November 29, 2020 12:43 PM (hCqcJ)
==========
There's more than one Jon Favreau on earth, and the filmmaker and the speechwriter are two of them.
Even Lucas gave Darth Vader a line attributed to W. Bush, so I fear that it's only a matter of time before Favreau gives in to his nature. Enough leftists like and watch the show that their twitter rantings for "more inclusive" plotlines (aka LGBTQX characters) might force the issue.
However, Disney also knows this is the only thing keeping the entire Star Wars franchise on life support and saw how the Woke Sequels and Soylo torpedoed the franchise in the first place.
So yes, as long as he keeps politics/political religion out of Star Wars (as far as it traditionally had in the original movies), I will continue to watch and appreciate this show...though avoid paying Disney for the experience.
Posted by: reelkraken at November 29, 2020 12:43 PM (hCqcJ)
==========
There's more than one Jon Favreau on earth, and the filmmaker and the speechwriter are two of them.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, catching up on stuff I've bought recently at November 29, 2020 12:43 PM (LvTSG)
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Nice post.
I used to be a gallery hopper and still pop into them in my travels to purchase something unique/original from the area I am visiting. From a local artist.
I have found that you can find (subjective) gems from people you have never heard of. Same for literature/novels.
Especially now, people are being promoted if they are in the club and the club is narrowing. I think we are missing 75 percent of some good work out there because of this.
With self-publishers, they rely on word of mouth and star ratings from amazon and goodreads, but you can get lost in the pile of books out there because everyone is an author now. And not many people actually take the time to sit down to read anymore (especially fiction).
You have to be a good self-promoter. One of the reasons why you see artists' work raise into the echelon of "great" or "good" works after they have passed away. Passionate artists are creating art, not promoting it.
Otherwise, it is who you know.
Trends don't help either. Art from "found objects" versus beautiful, time-consuming portraits/paintings or detailed sculpture, handmade furniture, jewelry.
And then there is the 3D printer...
Nice post.
I used to be a gallery hopper and still pop into them in my travels to purchase something unique/original from the area I am visiting. From a local artist.
I have found that you can find (subjective) gems from people you have never heard of. Same for literature/novels.
Especially now, people are being promoted if they are in the club and the club is narrowing. I think we are missing 75 percent of some good work out there because of this.
With self-publishers, they rely on word of mouth and star ratings from amazon and goodreads, but you can get lost in the pile of books out there because everyone is an author now. And not many people actually take the time to sit down to read anymore (especially fiction).
You have to be a good self-promoter. One of the reasons why you see artists' work raise into the echelon of "great" or "good" works after they have passed away. Passionate artists are creating art, not promoting it.
Otherwise, it is who you know.
Trends don't help either. Art from "found objects" versus beautiful, time-consuming portraits/paintings or detailed sculpture, handmade furniture, jewelry.
And then there is the 3D printer...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 12:44 PM (sfhL4)
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Someone please tell me again why we are testing asymptomatic individuals.
If it saves just one life! Stay safe.
If it saves just one life! Stay safe.
Posted by: A Scold of Karens at November 29, 2020 12:44 PM (EgshT)
138
The FBI is officially investigating fraud in 2020 election.
Posted by: bat nationalist
Fraud committed by Trump no doubt. There may have been someone, somewhere that both filled out a mail-in ballot and voted in person for Trump...
Posted by: bat nationalist
Fraud committed by Trump no doubt. There may have been someone, somewhere that both filled out a mail-in ballot and voted in person for Trump...
Posted by: seebt at November 29, 2020 12:44 PM (hCqcJ)
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123 116 Ditto re Roger Waters, and more broadly, re anti-semites in general. It's hard to believe in 2020 that particular prejudice endures so virulently.
Posted by: Blacksheep at November 29, 2020 12:39 PM (6mvRv)
Why is it so hard to believe?
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 29, 2020 12:41 PM (Zm+LZ)
I take that hatred in particular as long running evidence that there is more than simple human hatred involved here. Because in rational terms, it makes no sense whatsoever. But still, it not only persists but grows.
Posted by: Blacksheep at November 29, 2020 12:39 PM (6mvRv)
Why is it so hard to believe?
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 29, 2020 12:41 PM (Zm+LZ)
I take that hatred in particular as long running evidence that there is more than simple human hatred involved here. Because in rational terms, it makes no sense whatsoever. But still, it not only persists but grows.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 29, 2020 12:44 PM (V2Yro)
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Musicians and artists just want to get paid, have always been more or less chattel property of the monied class, kings, queens, princes, etc.
Mozart himself got swindled in his contract with his betters, signed it and found out he was personally responsible for the orchestra's laundry.
(from "The Complete Letters of Mozart")
Mozart himself got swindled in his contract with his betters, signed it and found out he was personally responsible for the orchestra's laundry.
(from "The Complete Letters of Mozart")
Posted by: attila the temporarily reasonable at November 29, 2020 12:45 PM (w7KSn)
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The FBI is officially investigating fraud in 2020 election.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 12:41 PM (vPzhp)
LOL
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 12:41 PM (vPzhp)
LOL
Posted by: FFS at November 29, 2020 12:45 PM (EeG2J)
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>>7 Someone please tell me again why we are testing asymptomatic individuals
To pad the Total case Numbers.
Notice they never tell you how many of those cases (Since March) are People Recovered.
To pad the Total case Numbers.
Notice they never tell you how many of those cases (Since March) are People Recovered.
Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2020 12:45 PM (ptxmk)
143
There is a difference between evil, stupid, and ignorant. I can forgive the stupid.
Posted by: Javems at November 29, 2020 12:46 PM (8SSHh)
144
Big fan of early Motley Crue but was never naive about the members. With the possible exception of Mick Mars, I saw the rest of them as drug addled white trash pieces of shit.
Posted by: Jayhawkfan63 at November 29, 2020 12:46 PM (CQtVS)
145
Performing Artists spend their entire lives driven by an intense desire to do what other people will "Like". That's the only standard a Performing Artist knows - either the audience claps, or it boos, and they will do anything to stand on the stage and bask in that applause. We could spend time on how this is probably because they're desperately trying to bury the knowledge in their own minds that they are in fact completely reprehensible, amoral people, but that could take a while.
I feel like it's more a sense of importance they want. They start of performing and feeling super important and powerful, and then oneday it dawns on them that they are just entertainment. Even talentless Kardashians can entertain, and entertainment isn't really that important. So in turn they have to step it up a notch and get political so can feel like they are actually contributing something of importance.
I feel like it's more a sense of importance they want. They start of performing and feeling super important and powerful, and then oneday it dawns on them that they are just entertainment. Even talentless Kardashians can entertain, and entertainment isn't really that important. So in turn they have to step it up a notch and get political so can feel like they are actually contributing something of importance.
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:46 PM (1Bpwm)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 29, 2020 12:46 PM (fLVm1)
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Someone please tell me again why we are testing asymptomatic individuals.
-
Because the pandemic is so useful.
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Because the pandemic is so useful.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 29, 2020 12:46 PM (+y/Ru)
148
I hate rap. Won't even listen to it.
Not a big fan of country anymore either.
The respective niche each currently occupies in the music medium do not appeal to me.
By the same token I will ignore something I like when the artist decides to use their art to push their politics.
So I find myself essentially in agreement with Muldoon.
I like what I like and can appreciate good art in spite of the artist. But. There is a line.
Not a big fan of country anymore either.
The respective niche each currently occupies in the music medium do not appeal to me.
By the same token I will ignore something I like when the artist decides to use their art to push their politics.
So I find myself essentially in agreement with Muldoon.
I like what I like and can appreciate good art in spite of the artist. But. There is a line.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 29, 2020 12:47 PM (axyOa)
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Fame destroys many artists. How can one credit the admiration of fans who cannot read music or play an instrument? Wealthy people must always suspect that an admirer wants something. I recommend that you run for office; it will terrify you that thousands of people are willing to give you control over $millions when they would not lend you $20 if you met them on the street and promised to repay by mail.
The situation inevitably creates in many public figures a disdain for the public.
Some actor said "Everyone is an asshole when they become famous. The test of character is how quickly you get over it" (paraphrase, from memory).
The situation inevitably creates in many public figures a disdain for the public.
Some actor said "Everyone is an asshole when they become famous. The test of character is how quickly you get over it" (paraphrase, from memory).
Posted by: Malcolm Kirkpatrick at November 29, 2020 12:47 PM (kD3S+)
150
Rats. I was in the middle of a long rant when I pushed the wrong button and erased the whole damn thing.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- current occupation: cat furniture at November 29, 2020 12:47 PM (hfuUh)
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Doesn't get any more expert witness than this to save a filed sworn statement in Court in Powell's Michigan Lawsuit. I wonder if the insurrectionists and traitors will get away with the coup?
https://tinyurl.com/y2tyaaqa
"I conclude with high confidence that the election 2020 data were altered in all battleground states"...
US Intelligence Expert with PhD. in computer systems management and DIA/CIA/FBI/NSA/DHS advanced training *SHREDS* claims 2020 election was free & fair. 1/10 cont..
https://tinyurl.com/y2tyaaqa
"I conclude with high confidence that the election 2020 data were altered in all battleground states"...
US Intelligence Expert with PhD. in computer systems management and DIA/CIA/FBI/NSA/DHS advanced training *SHREDS* claims 2020 election was free & fair. 1/10 cont..
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 12:47 PM (vPzhp)
152
i remember a prager show where he was commenting on wagner.....he said something similar to what awtw said.....and added something about how perhaps the classical music loved by the n a z i's made them more humane than they otherwise would have been.......
Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 29, 2020 12:47 PM (CqHIp)
153
Nothing came from Mengele's journals. Everything that was obtained by atrocities, would have come from true scientists and doctors anyway, but without the foul experiments. All of the so called doctors of the 3rd reich were either butchers with no real education, or half schooled oafs, who thought that their more successful Jewish colleagues held them back.
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 12:47 PM (zr5Kq)
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Ive known people who will not buy Japan3se or German cars due to WW2. But there is no longer a German or Japanese car these days which makes it kinda moot. But still those feelings still run deep.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 12:48 PM (22mNy)
155
The FBI is officially investigating fraud in 2020 election.
I'm sure they are Trump got waaaay too many votes!
I'm sure they are Trump got waaaay too many votes!
Posted by: It's me donna at November 29, 2020 12:48 PM (Zmnko)
156
Which then segues into the time I denounced Alan Rickman to a friend of mine who is such an extreme Zionist she makes Netanyahu look like a squish after she had praised Rickman. She was shocked into silence when I informed her that Rickman produced that hagiographic play about Saint Panca"
There's always been a deep and abiding hatred of Jews in the British Upper Classes. I think that's why Hitler was surprised that the Brits kept on fighting and didn't cut a deal after France fell. I believe that he had been assured in the years before the war that the British ruling classes admired what he was doing.
There's always been a deep and abiding hatred of Jews in the British Upper Classes. I think that's why Hitler was surprised that the Brits kept on fighting and didn't cut a deal after France fell. I believe that he had been assured in the years before the war that the British ruling classes admired what he was doing.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 29, 2020 12:48 PM (V2Yro)
157
Wagner's music is better than it sounds.
-- Mark Twain
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 29, 2020 12:46 PM (fLVm1)
Men like Twain and Will Rogers were national treasures.
-- Mark Twain
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 29, 2020 12:46 PM (fLVm1)
Men like Twain and Will Rogers were national treasures.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 29, 2020 12:48 PM (axyOa)
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So yes, as long as he keeps politics/political religion out of Star Wars (as far as it traditionally had in the original movies), I will continue to watch and appreciate this show...though avoid paying Disney for the experience.
Posted by: reelkraken at November 29, 2020 12:43 PM (hCqcJ)
I agree. So far so good on political crap.
Hubby wanted to watch the last episode of The Boys and there it was, Fox news mentioned in a negative way, religion, and all that. Garbage.
Posted by: reelkraken at November 29, 2020 12:43 PM (hCqcJ)
I agree. So far so good on political crap.
Hubby wanted to watch the last episode of The Boys and there it was, Fox news mentioned in a negative way, religion, and all that. Garbage.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 12:48 PM (sfhL4)
159
A bit of a roller coaster for me. As a musician, I'm technically an artist, but i really don't view myself as an artist, because anybody who is good at what they do are artists in their own way, and I barely view myself as a musician, because musicians to me are people who show up with their music stand, will read the sheet music, and play any genre and be happy to do it. Yeah, not me, my musical focus is as narrow as those 2 piss holes in the snow that biden calls eyes. At the same time I view other musicians as peers, and when I see them abuse their position that soooo many bust their ass to achieve to be a raging political asshole I'll use their CDs as a fucking clay pigeon. I can separate the art from the asshole to a point, but once you become a serious asshole I won't piss in your mouth if your teeth were on fire. Especially musicians, because I don't need them, I'll make my own music. I'm harder on my own kind. When I see "metal" musicians being leftist assholes, which was super... SUPER rare in my day, all I see is a hypocrite, because our genre traditionally had nothing in common with anything remotely left.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 29, 2020 12:48 PM (9Om/r)
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I tend to ignore the politics of artists/artistes as I expect them all to be lefty idiots. I'm not sure I have a dividing line. I think once they become insufferable in their blathering, maybe I stop enjoying their output?
I don't really watch many movies or TV shows, and barely have time to read nowadays, so I don't really have anything to point to as an example.
I don't really watch many movies or TV shows, and barely have time to read nowadays, so I don't really have anything to point to as an example.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen of Greenland (Happy Thanksgiving to my American allies!) at November 29, 2020 12:49 PM (9hauA)
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141 The FBI is officially investigating fraud in 2020 election.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 12:41 PM (vPzhp)
LOL
Posted by: FFS at November 29, 2020 12:45 PM (EeG2J)
Did you even bother to take 15 minutes or 30 minutes to review the work and evidence by the people they asked copies of? Both are already filed in court btw.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 12:41 PM (vPzhp)
LOL
Posted by: FFS at November 29, 2020 12:45 PM (EeG2J)
Did you even bother to take 15 minutes or 30 minutes to review the work and evidence by the people they asked copies of? Both are already filed in court btw.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 12:49 PM (vPzhp)
162
Today's Hollywood is very Soviet.
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 12:49 PM (zr5Kq)
163
It does crack me up, and have posted it earlier in the year that the F-1 drivers BLM International Road show goes to countries that as much as anywhere have all the same race and nationally and hardly know someone of another race .
Posted by: Skip at November 29, 2020 12:49 PM (9sWOw)
164
I'm a little more forgiving about King's books, but it is true he straight up ruined some of them with his unchecked lefty bullshit.
In several ways King needed a stronger editor ... his stories and writing would have been tighter, and his world view would have been removed throughout without impacting the reader.
In several ways King needed a stronger editor ... his stories and writing would have been tighter, and his world view would have been removed throughout without impacting the reader.
Posted by: Blacksheep at November 29, 2020 12:49 PM (6mvRv)
165
Where does one draw the line?
I know I have one and it is pretty broad. I don't watch or buy *stuff* which supports people I think are inappropriately preaching their viewpoints.
Old dead guys, no problem though!
Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated
***
This is always the question...where to draw the line?
I love Chanel perfume, but then I read the history of Coco Chanel. Yikes.
Many of the products that I have faithfully purchased in the past I have now come to eschew for others, if I can. I'd prefer not to support companies who exhibit either an overt hatred for or a strong undercurrent of dislike of conservatives. Can't always do that, but I try.
Problem seems to me now that if I scratch the surface I always find that undercurrent, which is truly disheartening. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.
I know I have one and it is pretty broad. I don't watch or buy *stuff* which supports people I think are inappropriately preaching their viewpoints.
Old dead guys, no problem though!
Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated
***
This is always the question...where to draw the line?
I love Chanel perfume, but then I read the history of Coco Chanel. Yikes.
Many of the products that I have faithfully purchased in the past I have now come to eschew for others, if I can. I'd prefer not to support companies who exhibit either an overt hatred for or a strong undercurrent of dislike of conservatives. Can't always do that, but I try.
Problem seems to me now that if I scratch the surface I always find that undercurrent, which is truly disheartening. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.
Posted by: squeakywheel at November 29, 2020 12:50 PM (/Pc8P)
166
Many of today's medical foundational treatments, such as those for hyperthermia, were literally developed by Mengle who tested them on Jews until he got those treatments correct.
Ditto rocket science.
Doesn't make the ways those things were developed "good" or even less evil, but we use them every day.
Ditto rocket science.
Doesn't make the ways those things were developed "good" or even less evil, but we use them every day.
Posted by: TheBartelist at November 29, 2020 12:50 PM (XLAM7)
167
>>I won't piss in your mouth if your teeth were on fire.
I am stealing this and if I give attribution I am giving them to your brother.
This just sounds like him.
I am stealing this and if I give attribution I am giving them to your brother.
This just sounds like him.
Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2020 12:50 PM (ptxmk)
168
runner since the early 60s if not sooner
Posted by: Skip at November 29, 2020 12:50 PM (9sWOw)
169
I was in the middle of a long rant when I pushed the wrong button and erased the whole damn thing.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin
************
The world might be a better place if we all did that from time to time.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin
************
The world might be a better place if we all did that from time to time.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 29, 2020 12:50 PM (m45I2)
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133 "I'm pleasantly surprised that 13 episodes into "The Mandalorian" that
show-runner and primary writer Jon Favreau, who is as big a leftist
idealogue as they come (he was an Obama speech-writer, after all) has
yet to overtly push The Narrative in the show"
Not the same guy but I understand your point. If ace wasn't taking a few days off I bet he would have mentioned that The Mandalorian is getting great reviews by fans. I think it's too late though for Disney to capitalize on it, they already poisoned Star Wars for movies. Plus I think movie theaters were dying already, Covid just finished them off.
show-runner and primary writer Jon Favreau, who is as big a leftist
idealogue as they come (he was an Obama speech-writer, after all) has
yet to overtly push The Narrative in the show"
Not the same guy but I understand your point. If ace wasn't taking a few days off I bet he would have mentioned that The Mandalorian is getting great reviews by fans. I think it's too late though for Disney to capitalize on it, they already poisoned Star Wars for movies. Plus I think movie theaters were dying already, Covid just finished them off.
Posted by: lowandslow at November 29, 2020 12:50 PM (4thlk)
171
Wagner's music is better than it sounds.
-- Mark Twain
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 29, 2020 12:46 PM (fLVm1)
That sounds like a Yogism.
-- Mark Twain
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 29, 2020 12:46 PM (fLVm1)
That sounds like a Yogism.
Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 12:51 PM (2DOZq)
172
Artists are free to have their political views, no problem. They shove them down my face and I will shove mine down their throats and fuck with their work. Shut up and draw assholes.
Posted by: The Man from Athens at November 29, 2020 12:52 PM (QMwOT)
173
Did you even bother to take 15 minutes or 30 minutes to review the work and evidence by the people they asked copies of? Both are already filed in court btw.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 12:49 PM (vPzhp)
Yes, I'm not laughing at them or their analysis.
It's the idea the FBI will do anything but dismiss it.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 12:49 PM (vPzhp)
Yes, I'm not laughing at them or their analysis.
It's the idea the FBI will do anything but dismiss it.
Posted by: FFS at November 29, 2020 12:52 PM (EeG2J)
174
Hubby wanted to watch the last episode of The Boys and there it was, Fox news mentioned in a negative way, religion, and all that. Garbage.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 12:48 PM (sfhL4)
Ugh, did they ruin The Boys, too? The first season had some woke stuff but I ignored it and loved it. Haven't gotten to season 2 yet.
(No spoilers please!)
Just like Jack Ryan. Season 1 was amazing. They humanized the Islamic terrorist without excusing his evil.
Then Season 2 was set in Venezuela, where the villain was - get this - a right wing dictator and the hero was a sweet female left wing high school teacher. This, in the country that brought us Chavez and then Maduro. Ruined the suspension of disbelief. Plus Jack Ryan was a wuss in that season.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 12:48 PM (sfhL4)
Ugh, did they ruin The Boys, too? The first season had some woke stuff but I ignored it and loved it. Haven't gotten to season 2 yet.
(No spoilers please!)
Just like Jack Ryan. Season 1 was amazing. They humanized the Islamic terrorist without excusing his evil.
Then Season 2 was set in Venezuela, where the villain was - get this - a right wing dictator and the hero was a sweet female left wing high school teacher. This, in the country that brought us Chavez and then Maduro. Ruined the suspension of disbelief. Plus Jack Ryan was a wuss in that season.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen of Greenland (Happy Thanksgiving to my American allies!) at November 29, 2020 12:52 PM (9hauA)
175
Stephen King's seething, insane hatred for anyone right-of-center has made him impossible for me to read. Seems like an undercurrent of this in anything published, by any author, by a major publishing house these days. Starts out as a whiff, then becomes unmistakable. I'm finding that the only thing for it, is to revisit the old-timers.
Posted by: Old Dude at November 29, 2020 12:52 PM (LGXGf)
176
The FBI also investigated Hillary. And Hunter Biden. How did that work out?
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 12:52 PM (22mNy)
177
@skip, it got worse since tech oligarchy and China got involved, meaning bought them. For a time they had to appeal to the masses and masses are center right. Right now they can piss on the masses and just propagandize the Brave New World without fear of losing a cent.
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 12:53 PM (zr5Kq)
178
I think the music industry has been in such bad shape for so long, it is really hard to succeed or find a spotlight.
I think the music industry has been in such bad shape for so long, it is really hard to succeed or find a spotlight.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 12:53 PM (sfhL4)
179
Have to go but a reverse thought.
Does anyone seek out conservative artists and support them?
I know of one, horde connection even, and yet, not a single song worthy of an embed in a post.
Know for a fact that band has sold around 10K cd's just off the merch table at shows.
Later.
Have to go but a reverse thought.
Does anyone seek out conservative artists and support them?
I know of one, horde connection even, and yet, not a single song worthy of an embed in a post.
Know for a fact that band has sold around 10K cd's just off the merch table at shows.
Later.
Posted by: TeeJ at November 29, 2020 12:53 PM (p/F+I)
180
I don't think the Jon Favreau of Mandalorian and Marvel fame is the same guy as the Obama speechwriter. In fact, I am pretty sure they are different people.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen of Greenland (Happy Thanksgiving to my American allies!) at November 29, 2020 12:53 PM (9hauA)
181
17
Michelangelo had it coming.
I mean, who wears a blue mask with green skin?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, catching up on stuff I've bought recently at November 29, 2020 12:08 PM (LvTSG)
That was Leonardo. Michelangelo wore orange.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 12:11 PM (nakwk)
Or they all wore read on the original comic covers (as the comics themselves were black and white)
#NerdShame
Michelangelo had it coming.
I mean, who wears a blue mask with green skin?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, catching up on stuff I've bought recently at November 29, 2020 12:08 PM (LvTSG)
That was Leonardo. Michelangelo wore orange.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 12:11 PM (nakwk)
Or they all wore read on the original comic covers (as the comics themselves were black and white)
#NerdShame
Posted by: Bete at November 29, 2020 12:54 PM (Ojki1)
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The FBI is officially investigating fraud in 2020 election.
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Quick, someone tell them a garage pull looks like a noose involved - that'll get them to do it quickly!
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Quick, someone tell them a garage pull looks like a noose involved - that'll get them to do it quickly!
Posted by: Astronaut Achmed at November 29, 2020 12:54 PM (E1b7r)
183
He was very good when he worked as a collaborator with musicians like David Gilmore. But with "The Wall", Waters was allowed to drive the project, which is how it turned into a piece of bizarre neo-nazi bullshit.
Yes, The Wall is just Roger Water long, overly dramatic explanation of why he is such an obnoxious asshole....he even blamed his poor mother....smdh.....but that is the same album that gave us Comfortably Numb....that song is damn near perfect!
Yes, The Wall is just Roger Water long, overly dramatic explanation of why he is such an obnoxious asshole....he even blamed his poor mother....smdh.....but that is the same album that gave us Comfortably Numb....that song is damn near perfect!
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:54 PM (1Bpwm)
184
"Communism was never embraced by the American Citizens. Only by the Academics and those who had Fame and Wealth."
Which is why we had bloody dock strikes, miner strikes, factory strikes and Labor Day, right?
All those academics in the mines, docks, factories...
Which is why we had bloody dock strikes, miner strikes, factory strikes and Labor Day, right?
All those academics in the mines, docks, factories...
Posted by: attila the temporarily reasonable at November 29, 2020 12:55 PM (w7KSn)
185
156 Which then segues into the time I denounced Alan Rickman to a friend of mine who is such an extreme Zionist she makes Netanyahu look like a squish after she had praised Rickman. She was shocked into silence when I informed her that Rickman produced that hagiographic play about Saint Panca"
There's always been a deep and abiding hatred of Jews in the British Upper Classes. I think that's why Hitler was surprised that the Brits kept on fighting and didn't cut a deal after France fell. I believe that he had been assured in the years before the war that the British ruling classes admired what he was doing.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 29, 2020 12:48 PM (V2Yro)
Jews were historically(after the diaspora and fall of the West Roman empire) a rivalrous group within the elites for bureaucrat jobs. A similar role was frequently played by clergy. This came to be largely because of issues of literacy(Jews and clergy were literate, the first few generations of nobility as kingdoms were established typically weren't). Additionally legal prohibitions of the activity of Jews tended to sequester them in roles we know today as professions. The aristocracy of Europe was at the same time conjoined and frequently hateful towards Jews.
Peasant dislike for Jews largely amounted to similar things as belief in witches. I believe the aristocrats of the era likely promoted such beliefs so as to eliminate rivals. In a somewhat ironic inversion the Spanish crown used accusations of crypto-Judaism to control their own aristocracy.
There's always been a deep and abiding hatred of Jews in the British Upper Classes. I think that's why Hitler was surprised that the Brits kept on fighting and didn't cut a deal after France fell. I believe that he had been assured in the years before the war that the British ruling classes admired what he was doing.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 29, 2020 12:48 PM (V2Yro)
Jews were historically(after the diaspora and fall of the West Roman empire) a rivalrous group within the elites for bureaucrat jobs. A similar role was frequently played by clergy. This came to be largely because of issues of literacy(Jews and clergy were literate, the first few generations of nobility as kingdoms were established typically weren't). Additionally legal prohibitions of the activity of Jews tended to sequester them in roles we know today as professions. The aristocracy of Europe was at the same time conjoined and frequently hateful towards Jews.
Peasant dislike for Jews largely amounted to similar things as belief in witches. I believe the aristocrats of the era likely promoted such beliefs so as to eliminate rivals. In a somewhat ironic inversion the Spanish crown used accusations of crypto-Judaism to control their own aristocracy.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 29, 2020 12:55 PM (Zm+LZ)
186
I don't think the Jon Favreau of Mandalorian and Marvel fame is the same guy as the Obama speechwriter. In fact, I am pretty sure they are different people.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen of Greenland (Happy Thanksgiving to my American allies!) at November 29, 2020 12:53 PM (9hauA)
One of 'em was in "Rudy".
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen of Greenland (Happy Thanksgiving to my American allies!) at November 29, 2020 12:53 PM (9hauA)
One of 'em was in "Rudy".
Posted by: BignJames at November 29, 2020 12:55 PM (AwYPR)
187
Should we burn down houses painted by Hitler?
Posted by: JPF at November 29, 2020 12:55 PM (V+5KZ)
188
It does crack me up, and have posted it earlier in the year that the F-1
drivers BLM International Road show goes to countries that as much as
anywhere have all the same race and nationally and hardly know someone
of another race .
I'm confident that holds true for 90% or more of the virtue signaling SJWs out there.
drivers BLM International Road show goes to countries that as much as
anywhere have all the same race and nationally and hardly know someone
of another race .
I'm confident that holds true for 90% or more of the virtue signaling SJWs out there.
Posted by: A Scold of Karens at November 29, 2020 12:56 PM (EgshT)
189
No, they are ineligible because they were in the same room as a person who later tested positive on a PCR test.
Someone please tell me again why we are testing asymptomatic individuals.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 29, 2020 12:40 PM (m45I2)
I'm thinking the betting line in Vegas has more to do with this than anything else.
Someone please tell me again why we are testing asymptomatic individuals.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 29, 2020 12:40 PM (m45I2)
I'm thinking the betting line in Vegas has more to do with this than anything else.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 29, 2020 12:56 PM (axyOa)
190
What would you expect from people who have sold their soul to the devil in exchange for talent?
Posted by: rick9911 at November 29, 2020 12:56 PM (iKjcG)
191
"124
interesting,eh?
https://tinyurl.com/yyhwcffs
BREAKING NEWS.
The FBI has now contacted
@PhillDKline
. Earlier this morning I had said they were also talking to
@MattBraynard
.
The FBI is officially investigating fraud in 2020 election.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 12:41 PM (vPzhp)"
Or maybe they're getting the Postal Inspector treatment. It's not like most of these agencies' word is worth a damn anymore.
Speaking of which; there are accusations now that some CIA and SF casualties reported a couple of weeks ago were deliberately mis-attributed, and actually a result of the purported raid in Frankfurt. If that is the case, (1) that's a massive escalation, and (2) the shit is absolutely going to hit the fan in the special operations community, because the CIA fatality is a former SEAL. They're already on a lot of people's shit lists, and if this thing actually did go down, that's going to reflect poorly on their entire organization.
interesting,eh?
https://tinyurl.com/yyhwcffs
BREAKING NEWS.
The FBI has now contacted
@PhillDKline
. Earlier this morning I had said they were also talking to
@MattBraynard
.
The FBI is officially investigating fraud in 2020 election.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 12:41 PM (vPzhp)"
Or maybe they're getting the Postal Inspector treatment. It's not like most of these agencies' word is worth a damn anymore.
Speaking of which; there are accusations now that some CIA and SF casualties reported a couple of weeks ago were deliberately mis-attributed, and actually a result of the purported raid in Frankfurt. If that is the case, (1) that's a massive escalation, and (2) the shit is absolutely going to hit the fan in the special operations community, because the CIA fatality is a former SEAL. They're already on a lot of people's shit lists, and if this thing actually did go down, that's going to reflect poorly on their entire organization.
Posted by: there are only three star wars films at November 29, 2020 12:56 PM (EEVQU)
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 29, 2020 12:56 PM (SXvwb)
193
186 I don't think the Jon Favreau of Mandalorian and Marvel fame is the same guy as the Obama speechwriter. In fact, I am pretty sure they are different people.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen of Greenland (Happy Thanksgiving to my American allies!) at November 29, 2020 12:53 PM (9hauA)
One of 'em was in "Rudy".
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And PCU (Gutter).
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen of Greenland (Happy Thanksgiving to my American allies!) at November 29, 2020 12:53 PM (9hauA)
One of 'em was in "Rudy".
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And PCU (Gutter).
Posted by: Astronaut Achmed at November 29, 2020 12:56 PM (E1b7r)
194
I think there's an era element to it, too. If someone composing in 1605 was, for example, a racist, it's easier to overlook because back then everyone was. If an artist producing today is a racist it's almost impossible not to be repulsed by everything he does.
So, Wagner gets a pass and Roger Waters doesn't. I try not to let politics influence my enjoyment unless the politics involve my destruction. I don't care how good an actor DeNiro might be, I don't know how you can see his face on screen and not see a guy who wants you destroyed. That's not art I can enjoy. Unless he's the villain who gets killed at the end. That, I enjoy.
So, Wagner gets a pass and Roger Waters doesn't. I try not to let politics influence my enjoyment unless the politics involve my destruction. I don't care how good an actor DeNiro might be, I don't know how you can see his face on screen and not see a guy who wants you destroyed. That's not art I can enjoy. Unless he's the villain who gets killed at the end. That, I enjoy.
Posted by: Texas99 at November 29, 2020 12:56 PM (VRg+C)
195
I'd prefer not to support companies who exhibit either an overt hatred for or a strong undercurrent of dislike of conservatives. Can't always do that, but I try.
Problem seems to me now that if I scratch the surface I always find that undercurrent, which is truly disheartening. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.
Posted by: squeakywheel
PG&E fills this niche for me.
I love how *all* their different product lines went on sale (and are still on sale) after they told men they weren't really men.
I looked up their product lines after that commercial and have changed daily use products away from them (ie Crest for instance).
And I feel very good about it!
Problem seems to me now that if I scratch the surface I always find that undercurrent, which is truly disheartening. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.
Posted by: squeakywheel
PG&E fills this niche for me.
I love how *all* their different product lines went on sale (and are still on sale) after they told men they weren't really men.
I looked up their product lines after that commercial and have changed daily use products away from them (ie Crest for instance).
And I feel very good about it!
Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated at November 29, 2020 12:57 PM (gtatv)
196
I think there's a difference between classical works in art or music and modern works, in regards to abhorrent people and their works.
One difference is that the earlier works have rules and systems to satisfy and are judged by their objective value within those systems while modern art is mostly seen as entertainment and is judged more by its ability to distract us. The second difference is that the purpose of modern art, again entertainment, is for it to be propaganda. Now the earlier work is supposed influence and direct action yes, but propaganda is crude and is subject to the arbitrary whims of our ruling class.
So, with these differences I can enjoy the works of Wagner, or even Communist Mahler without liking the men as their works are more restrained to a system which produces objectively good results. But modern directors, writers, creators of our current entertainment can put out dreck because nothing better is required.
One difference is that the earlier works have rules and systems to satisfy and are judged by their objective value within those systems while modern art is mostly seen as entertainment and is judged more by its ability to distract us. The second difference is that the purpose of modern art, again entertainment, is for it to be propaganda. Now the earlier work is supposed influence and direct action yes, but propaganda is crude and is subject to the arbitrary whims of our ruling class.
So, with these differences I can enjoy the works of Wagner, or even Communist Mahler without liking the men as their works are more restrained to a system which produces objectively good results. But modern directors, writers, creators of our current entertainment can put out dreck because nothing better is required.
Posted by: banana Dream at November 29, 2020 12:57 PM (l6b3d)
197
(No spoilers please!)
Just like Jack Ryan. Season 1 was amazing. They humanized the Islamic terrorist without excusing his evil.
Then Season 2 was set in Venezuela, where the villain was - get this - a right wing dictator and the hero was a sweet female left wing high school teacher. This, in the country that brought us Chavez and then Maduro. Ruined the suspension of disbelief. Plus Jack Ryan was a wuss in that season.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen of Greenland (Happy Thanksgiving to my American allies!) at November 29, 2020 12:52 PM (9hauA)
I wasn't a huge fan of The Boys to begin with. It's creepy and very violent and bloody. No spoiler, no worries.
Agree about Jack Ryan. I wanted to like it. It is my kind of show, but alas..
Just like Jack Ryan. Season 1 was amazing. They humanized the Islamic terrorist without excusing his evil.
Then Season 2 was set in Venezuela, where the villain was - get this - a right wing dictator and the hero was a sweet female left wing high school teacher. This, in the country that brought us Chavez and then Maduro. Ruined the suspension of disbelief. Plus Jack Ryan was a wuss in that season.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen of Greenland (Happy Thanksgiving to my American allies!) at November 29, 2020 12:52 PM (9hauA)
I wasn't a huge fan of The Boys to begin with. It's creepy and very violent and bloody. No spoiler, no worries.
Agree about Jack Ryan. I wanted to like it. It is my kind of show, but alas..
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 12:57 PM (sfhL4)
198
Before the next thread appears, I just want to thank CBD for this excellent post. I really enjoyed it.
Posted by: squeakywheel at November 29, 2020 12:57 PM (/Pc8P)
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As long as the individual doesn't make a huge fuss about hating everything I am and do, I pretty much ignore they themselves and enjoy their work. For the most part, I really don't give a damn about an entertainer's or writer's personal life. Only when it is so in my face that I can't ignore it do I refuse to financially support them. Sean Penn, Danny Glover, Harry Bellefonte, Bette Miller, Barbra Streisand, David Handler, Michael Connelly, and some others are on my totally avoid list. I have a Bellefont recording and a couple by Babs in my music collection, but I did not pay for them. I snagged them for free back in the day.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- current occupation: cat furniture at November 29, 2020 12:57 PM (hfuUh)
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Jon Favreau was in a few movies with Vince Vaughn. Swingers being the best. Different guy than the Obama cuck.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 12:58 PM (22mNy)
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I pass on Yoko.
I've no idea of her politics and I don't care.
I've no idea of her politics and I don't care.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 29, 2020 12:58 PM (axyOa)
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Should we burn down houses painted by Hitler?
Posted by: JPF at November 29, 2020 12:55 PM (V+5KZ)
Did we leave any standing?
Posted by: JPF at November 29, 2020 12:55 PM (V+5KZ)
Did we leave any standing?
Posted by: BignJames at November 29, 2020 12:58 PM (AwYPR)
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>>Jon Favreau was in a few movies with Vince Vaughn. Swingers being the best.
Which says all you need to know about his abilities and his acting.
That Movie sucked dicks.
Which says all you need to know about his abilities and his acting.
That Movie sucked dicks.
Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2020 12:59 PM (ptxmk)
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The fbi will find one instance of a ballot not being signed properly. Better training will be recommended.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 12:59 PM (22mNy)
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Especially musicians, because I don't need them, I'll make my own music. I'm harder on my own kind. When I see "metal" musicians being leftist assholes, which was super... SUPER rare in my day, all I see is a hypocrite, because our genre traditionally had nothing in common with anything remotely left.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 29, 2020 12:48 PM (9Om/r)
From your writings, I see you as an old-school musician, the kind who liked what they did, but never forgot that it was a job to be taken seriously. And those performers are the ones who don't let the fame or all the nonsense in the business go to their heads.
I remember reading an interview with Mickey Spillane once, the interviewer was asking him how he had found the inspiration to write so many stores. And he said "It's not inspiration; I get dressed in the morning, I sit down at my typewriter, and I write for 8 - 9 hours every day. And I do that 5 or 6 days each week." It was a job, and he took it very seriously. Of course that was why he was so successful.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 29, 2020 12:48 PM (9Om/r)
From your writings, I see you as an old-school musician, the kind who liked what they did, but never forgot that it was a job to be taken seriously. And those performers are the ones who don't let the fame or all the nonsense in the business go to their heads.
I remember reading an interview with Mickey Spillane once, the interviewer was asking him how he had found the inspiration to write so many stores. And he said "It's not inspiration; I get dressed in the morning, I sit down at my typewriter, and I write for 8 - 9 hours every day. And I do that 5 or 6 days each week." It was a job, and he took it very seriously. Of course that was why he was so successful.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 29, 2020 01:00 PM (V2Yro)
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My favorite musician aller Zeit (of all time) has been a guest on an Ace podcast. I feel so deliciously subversive.
Posted by: SFGoth at November 29, 2020 01:00 PM (KAi1n)
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Based on what I know of Favreau and Vaughn, I would posit that Favreau's fame is a direct benefit of his Cocaine Connections.
Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2020 01:00 PM (ptxmk)
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56 37 I don't think it is a good analogy. You are conflating individual artists and a political system. Soviet Union did not make movies. Kalatozov and Tarkovsky created art in spite of the system.
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 12:18 PM (zr5Kq)
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Who makes the art? The one crafting it or the one financing it? The director or the producer?
If I was to purchase a ticket in 1960 to view a Soviet film, who would be benefiting? The director or the producer? Kalatozov or Mosfilm?
And Kalatozov was, as far as I can tell, a true believer. Tarkovsky wasn't, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, catching up on stuff I've bought recently at November 29, 2020 12:23 PM (LvTSG)
China today. Additionally what does one have to do to their beliefs and art knowing that if someone in the politburo does not like it the art is disappeared, and maybe the artist as well.
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 12:18 PM (zr5Kq)
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Who makes the art? The one crafting it or the one financing it? The director or the producer?
If I was to purchase a ticket in 1960 to view a Soviet film, who would be benefiting? The director or the producer? Kalatozov or Mosfilm?
And Kalatozov was, as far as I can tell, a true believer. Tarkovsky wasn't, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, catching up on stuff I've bought recently at November 29, 2020 12:23 PM (LvTSG)
China today. Additionally what does one have to do to their beliefs and art knowing that if someone in the politburo does not like it the art is disappeared, and maybe the artist as well.
Posted by: Bete at November 29, 2020 01:00 PM (Ojki1)
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Part of our dilemma is that we are surrounded by music, art, movies, literature. Arguably a lot (most) is mediocre at best.
There once was a time when it was a rare experience to enjoy music. Think before Edison.
We, in this era, can't even imagine it.
There once was a time when it was a rare experience to enjoy music. Think before Edison.
We, in this era, can't even imagine it.
Posted by: attila the temporarily reasonable at November 29, 2020 01:00 PM (w7KSn)
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lololololol!!!!
https://tinyurl.com/y58gstoa
Wow.
Multiple Republicans are refusing to defend the Republican Secretary of State in Georgia, even as he's getting death threats for the crime of standing by the legitimacy of the election Trump lost, AJC reports:
https://bit.ly/2VcFcIv
This madness runs deep. Reupping:
https://tinyurl.com/y3sqga32
Michigan Republicans were offered a stark choice: Stand for the rule of law and the legitimacy of our election, or stand with Trump's efforts to overturn it. It's a bad sign for the future that so many of them felt obliged to act out the latter. New piece:
https://tinyurl.com/y58gstoa
Wow.
Multiple Republicans are refusing to defend the Republican Secretary of State in Georgia, even as he's getting death threats for the crime of standing by the legitimacy of the election Trump lost, AJC reports:
https://bit.ly/2VcFcIv
This madness runs deep. Reupping:
https://tinyurl.com/y3sqga32
Michigan Republicans were offered a stark choice: Stand for the rule of law and the legitimacy of our election, or stand with Trump's efforts to overturn it. It's a bad sign for the future that so many of them felt obliged to act out the latter. New piece:
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 01:00 PM (vPzhp)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 29, 2020 01:00 PM (fLVm1)
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Speaking of which; there are accusations now that some CIA and SF casualties reported a couple of weeks ago were deliberately mis-attributed, and actually a result of the purported raid in Frankfurt. If that is the case, (1) that's a massive escalation, and (2) the shit is absolutely going to hit the fan in the special operations community, because the CIA fatality is a former SEAL. They're already on a lot of people's shit lists, and if this thing actually did go down, that's going to reflect poorly on their entire organization.
Posted by: there are only three star wars films at November 29, 2020 12:56 PM (EEVQU)
I wish I knew what was going on here and who were killed.
Is this even hitting the MSM? I doubt it, but so much is going on and such a hard black out. I'm so disgusted.
We have to rely on the Supreme Court and we are jaded even with them. Very bad state the country is in.
Posted by: there are only three star wars films at November 29, 2020 12:56 PM (EEVQU)
I wish I knew what was going on here and who were killed.
Is this even hitting the MSM? I doubt it, but so much is going on and such a hard black out. I'm so disgusted.
We have to rely on the Supreme Court and we are jaded even with them. Very bad state the country is in.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 01:00 PM (sfhL4)
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Swingers was a great movie for what it was. Not everything needs to be a glorious masterpiece.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 01:01 PM (22mNy)
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199> Only when it is so in my face that I can't ignore it do I refuse to financially support them. Sean Penn, Danny Glover, Harry Bellefonte, Bette Miller, Barbra Streisand, David Handler, Michael Connelly, and some others are on my totally avoid list.
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That's my metric as well.
Example: The SO and I live in Baltimore and the SO is a baker so of course we are fans of Duff Goldman (Ace of Cakes guy). I perused his Twitter feed a few weeks ago and was not surprised he was a lefty. I would have guessed he was but I never saw it on his various shows and public persona.
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That's my metric as well.
Example: The SO and I live in Baltimore and the SO is a baker so of course we are fans of Duff Goldman (Ace of Cakes guy). I perused his Twitter feed a few weeks ago and was not surprised he was a lefty. I would have guessed he was but I never saw it on his various shows and public persona.
Posted by: Astronaut Achmed at November 29, 2020 01:01 PM (E1b7r)
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I looked up their product lines after that commercial and have changed daily use products away from them (ie Crest for instance).
And I feel very good about it!
Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated
I did this too!! Good bye Crest, Bounty, Downy, Tide, Charmin, and more. Interestingly, the 'substitutes' are cheaper and don't preach to me. At least not yet.
And I feel very good about it!
Posted by: AZ deplorably isolated
I did this too!! Good bye Crest, Bounty, Downy, Tide, Charmin, and more. Interestingly, the 'substitutes' are cheaper and don't preach to me. At least not yet.
Posted by: squeakywheel at November 29, 2020 01:01 PM (/Pc8P)
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It's that Joo weather machine that's bloody responsible for the miserable English climate.
Posted by: Roger Waters at November 29, 2020 01:01 PM (EgshT)
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 01:02 PM (zr5Kq)
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Bozo Conservative and I had a somewhat related conversation the other day about Bruce Springsteen and Tom Petty. We both hate the former; I like the latter. B.C. said that he's heard both of the artists interviewed and at times they sound like drooling morons who have no idea where their songs come from. Sort of idiot savants. Or "artistically touched by God."
I think that I can, to some extent, disconnect the person from the work. I used to love Arthur C.Clarke; it turns out, he was probably a raging pedophile. That makes me like him personally a whole lot less, but doesn't necessarily negate my feelings for some his work.
So... I can tolerate some idiocy from musicians/artists/ writers. The key word is some. At a certain point, they will just annoy the crap out of me and I'll eliminate them from the rotation so to speak.
I think that I can, to some extent, disconnect the person from the work. I used to love Arthur C.Clarke; it turns out, he was probably a raging pedophile. That makes me like him personally a whole lot less, but doesn't necessarily negate my feelings for some his work.
So... I can tolerate some idiocy from musicians/artists/ writers. The key word is some. At a certain point, they will just annoy the crap out of me and I'll eliminate them from the rotation so to speak.
Posted by: President Elect Shibumi, fighting against the Great Reset at November 29, 2020 01:03 PM (ZCiJZ)
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How many Hollywood movies made by people demanding non-cinematic output from actresses?
Posted by: Mitch inda Kitchen at November 29, 2020 01:03 PM (IHN7f)
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And Lynn Wood really lashed out at Doug Collins in the last 24 hours.
He also called for a 3rd party.
things are already heated enough
And Lynn Wood really lashed out at Doug Collins in the last 24 hours.
He also called for a 3rd party.
things are already heated enough
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 01:03 PM (sfhL4)
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72 Nor the Interstate Defense Highway System, created under the direct influence and experience of theAutobahn.
Posted by: Fox2!
I should suggest to my few lib friends they not use the Interstate system as it represents cultural approbation!!
Posted by: Tonypete at November 29, 2020 12:27 PM (Rvt8
Power steering as well.
Posted by: Fox2!
I should suggest to my few lib friends they not use the Interstate system as it represents cultural approbation!!
Posted by: Tonypete at November 29, 2020 12:27 PM (Rvt8
Power steering as well.
Posted by: Bete at November 29, 2020 01:04 PM (Ojki1)
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Should we burn down houses painted by Hitler?
Posted by: JPF at November 29, 2020 12:55 PM (V+5KZ)
Hahaha
I hope everyone knows that Hitler never actually painted houses, as in housepainter.
Posted by: JPF at November 29, 2020 12:55 PM (V+5KZ)
Hahaha
I hope everyone knows that Hitler never actually painted houses, as in housepainter.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 29, 2020 01:04 PM (fLVm1)
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Roger Waters hasn't been with Pink Floyd since '82 (?). The PF albums that came after (Momentary Lapse of Reason, Division Bell, Endless River) were fantastic, IMO. Endless River came out a few years ago. It will be the last for the band. Only Gilmore, Mason, Waters are the only ones living and nobody can stand Waters. Endless River is made up of the late Richard Wright recordings that were never used on an album. So Gilmore and Mason got together and created an album out of them. Mostly instrumental, only one song with vocals. It's basically a tribute album for Wright. I liked it quite a bit.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 29, 2020 01:04 PM (SXvwb)
Posted by: SFGoth at November 29, 2020 01:05 PM (KAi1n)
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128
He was very good when he worked as a collaborator with musicians
like David Gilmore. But with "The Wall", Waters was allowed to drive
the project, which is how it turned into a piece of bizarre neo-nazi
bullshit.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 29, 2020 12:42 PM (V2Yro)
I'll sign on with this. Waters-era Floyd was generally great stuff, except for The Wall, which was shit. The album had a couple decent radio-play songs. The film was unwatchable, pure shit. The Wall was less Pink Floyd and more a Roger Waters self-pity vanity project, and that showed.
He was very good when he worked as a collaborator with musicians
like David Gilmore. But with "The Wall", Waters was allowed to drive
the project, which is how it turned into a piece of bizarre neo-nazi
bullshit.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 29, 2020 12:42 PM (V2Yro)
I'll sign on with this. Waters-era Floyd was generally great stuff, except for The Wall, which was shit. The album had a couple decent radio-play songs. The film was unwatchable, pure shit. The Wall was less Pink Floyd and more a Roger Waters self-pity vanity project, and that showed.
Posted by: Pennsyltucky at November 29, 2020 01:05 PM (+3rQF)
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My dislike of Stephen King has less to do with his leftist views, than his gratuitous child sex in every single novel in the latter half of his career. But lately I'm coming to believe that the two are inseperably linked. Its his kink, and he can't help but broadcast it.
Posted by: Taqiyyologist at November 29, 2020 01:05 PM (OssQ4)
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Power steering as well.
Posted by: Bete at November 29, 2020 01:04 PM (Ojki1)
Otto matic transmissions?
Posted by: Bete at November 29, 2020 01:04 PM (Ojki1)
Otto matic transmissions?
Posted by: BignJames at November 29, 2020 01:05 PM (AwYPR)
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President Trump: Well, I'm going to use 125% of my energy to do it. You need a judge that is willing to hear a case. You need a Supreme Court that is willing to make a really big decision.
That is it in a nutshell.
Trump won't stop fighting.
We have rely on people we do not trust and are so corrupt.
That is it in a nutshell.
Trump won't stop fighting.
We have rely on people we do not trust and are so corrupt.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 01:05 PM (sfhL4)
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We've gone through this thread without anyone pointing out what a truly rotten person Wagner was. Not just his political views - he spent his adult life bouncing from house to house of people who admired them. While he was a guest, he would try to sleep with their wives, and their daughters, and would even steal their silver and pawn it off for spending money. Inevitably he would end up being thrown out, but he would just move to a new city or new neighborhood and do it all over again. Even Beethoven was just notoriously cranky, he was never a thief; of all the "bad artists" out there, Wagner was unquestionably one of the absolute worst.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 29, 2020 01:05 PM (V2Yro)
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>>> Is this even hitting the MSM? I doubt it, but so much is going on and such a hard black out. I'm so disgusted.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 01:00 PM (sfhL4)
Yes, the MSM are all eager to cover it,
with a pillow, until it stops breathing.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 01:00 PM (sfhL4)
Yes, the MSM are all eager to cover it,
with a pillow, until it stops breathing.
Posted by: banana Dream at November 29, 2020 01:05 PM (l6b3d)
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"I think the music industry has been in such bad shape for so long, it is really hard to succeed or find a spotlight. "
Even before the Covid nonsense, musicians income from recordings were almost to nothing. You want to eat, you had to tour.
Now?
Even before the Covid nonsense, musicians income from recordings were almost to nothing. You want to eat, you had to tour.
Now?
Posted by: attila the temporarily reasonable at November 29, 2020 01:06 PM (w7KSn)
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And Lynn Wood really lashed out at Doug Collins in the last 24 hours.
He also called for a 3rd party.
things are already heated enough
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 01:03 PM (sfhL4)>>>
Well, since we no longer have legitimate elections, why not a third party? Not like a republican's ever going to win another "election" again.
He also called for a 3rd party.
things are already heated enough
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 01:03 PM (sfhL4)>>>
Well, since we no longer have legitimate elections, why not a third party? Not like a republican's ever going to win another "election" again.
Posted by: Old Dude at November 29, 2020 01:06 PM (LGXGf)
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OT
heh.
Tim Pool @Timcast
Historic
First woman to play Power 5 Football
Opened second half with 30 yard kick
Final score 41-0 with her team losing
so dumb, but then, I don't care
OT
heh.
Tim Pool @Timcast
Historic
First woman to play Power 5 Football
Opened second half with 30 yard kick
Final score 41-0 with her team losing
so dumb, but then, I don't care
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 01:07 PM (sfhL4)
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>>Even before the Covid nonsense, musicians income from recordings were almost to nothing. You want to eat, you had to tour.
Now?
Those things don't suck themselves, you know.
Now?
Those things don't suck themselves, you know.
Posted by: Katy Perry at November 29, 2020 01:07 PM (Mcyxh)
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>>Opened second half with 30 yard kick
What man over the age of 16 and under the age of 60 can't kick a Football 30 Yards?
What man over the age of 16 and under the age of 60 can't kick a Football 30 Yards?
Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2020 01:08 PM (Mcyxh)
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Other than Rick Allen.
Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2020 01:08 PM (Mcyxh)
Posted by: Suburban Wine Moms at November 29, 2020 01:09 PM (EgshT)
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I'll sign on with this. Waters-era Floyd was generally great stuff,
except for The Wall, which was shit. The album had a couple decent
radio-play songs. The film was unwatchable, pure shit. The Wall was less
Pink Floyd and more a Roger Waters self-pity vanity project, and that
showed.
I'm going to respectfully disagree about The Wall. I dislike Waters personally, however, I do see a lot of artistic value in The Wall (the album) if you take Waters' personal story out of it. There are a lot of interesting, underplayed songs on it that talk about alienation, the dissolution of a marriage, as well as mental illness. Those aren't necessarily conventional songs in terms of pop radio, but they are, in my opinion, valid artistically and relatable.
I'll sign on with this. Waters-era Floyd was generally great stuff,
except for The Wall, which was shit. The album had a couple decent
radio-play songs. The film was unwatchable, pure shit. The Wall was less
Pink Floyd and more a Roger Waters self-pity vanity project, and that
showed.
I'm going to respectfully disagree about The Wall. I dislike Waters personally, however, I do see a lot of artistic value in The Wall (the album) if you take Waters' personal story out of it. There are a lot of interesting, underplayed songs on it that talk about alienation, the dissolution of a marriage, as well as mental illness. Those aren't necessarily conventional songs in terms of pop radio, but they are, in my opinion, valid artistically and relatable.
Posted by: President Elect Shibumi, fighting against the Great Reset at November 29, 2020 01:09 PM (ZCiJZ)
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Breaking...the fbi found a Trump voter in Wyoming used improper postage to send his ballot in. The voter has been arrested and faces 30 years in prison for both voter and postal fraud.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 01:09 PM (22mNy)
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Endless River is made up of the late Richard Wright recordings that were never used on an album. So Gilmore and Mason got together and created an album out of them. Mostly instrumental, only one song with vocals. It's basically a tribute album for Wright. I liked it quite a bit.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 29, 2020 01:04 PM (SXvwb)
Thanks for letting me know about it, I haven't listened to it yet and didn't know that about it. It sounds like something I'll enjoy a great deal.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 29, 2020 01:04 PM (SXvwb)
Thanks for letting me know about it, I haven't listened to it yet and didn't know that about it. It sounds like something I'll enjoy a great deal.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 29, 2020 01:09 PM (V2Yro)
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From your writings, I see you as an old-school
musician, the kind who liked what they did, but never forgot that it was
a job to be taken seriously. And those performers are the ones who
don't let the fame or all the nonsense in the business go to their
heads.
I remember reading an interview with Mickey Spillane once, the
interviewer was asking him how he had found the inspiration to write so
many stores. And he said "It's not inspiration; I get dressed in the
morning, I sit down at my typewriter, and I write for 8 - 9 hours every
day. And I do that 5 or 6 days each week." It was a job, and he took
it very seriously. Of course that was why he was so successful.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 29, 2020 01:00 PM (V2Yro)
Thats exactly who I am. I was always the guy that was worried about the nuts and bolts of it. I never threw myself into the lifestyle past the danger line. I mean don't get me wrong, I definitely rode right on the line of being the asshole you read about lol, but I never started believing the bullshit, and that is key. It keeps you grounded.
musician, the kind who liked what they did, but never forgot that it was
a job to be taken seriously. And those performers are the ones who
don't let the fame or all the nonsense in the business go to their
heads.
I remember reading an interview with Mickey Spillane once, the
interviewer was asking him how he had found the inspiration to write so
many stores. And he said "It's not inspiration; I get dressed in the
morning, I sit down at my typewriter, and I write for 8 - 9 hours every
day. And I do that 5 or 6 days each week." It was a job, and he took
it very seriously. Of course that was why he was so successful.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 29, 2020 01:00 PM (V2Yro)
Thats exactly who I am. I was always the guy that was worried about the nuts and bolts of it. I never threw myself into the lifestyle past the danger line. I mean don't get me wrong, I definitely rode right on the line of being the asshole you read about lol, but I never started believing the bullshit, and that is key. It keeps you grounded.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 29, 2020 01:10 PM (9Om/r)
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Why does a woman need to play football ? No other sports out there ?
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 01:10 PM (zr5Kq)
Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at November 29, 2020 01:10 PM (3H9h1)
244
The FBI is officially investigating fraud in 2020 election.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 12:41 PM (vPzhp)
So they can smother it with a pillow?
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 12:41 PM (vPzhp)
So they can smother it with a pillow?
Posted by: Derak at November 29, 2020 01:10 PM (k0WjC)
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I pass on Yoko.
I've no idea of her politics and I don't care.
All sane people pass on her, but interesting to see her and John's son becoming red-pilled to a degree.
I've no idea of her politics and I don't care.
All sane people pass on her, but interesting to see her and John's son becoming red-pilled to a degree.
Posted by: Jayhawkfan63 at November 29, 2020 01:10 PM (CQtVS)
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Opened second half with 30 yard kick
What man over the age of 16 and under the age of 60 can't kick a Football 30 Yards? Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2020 01:08 PM (Mcyxh)>>>
Was it understood among the receiving team that no attempt to return the kick was to be made?
What man over the age of 16 and under the age of 60 can't kick a Football 30 Yards? Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2020 01:08 PM (Mcyxh)>>>
Was it understood among the receiving team that no attempt to return the kick was to be made?
Posted by: Old Dude at November 29, 2020 01:10 PM (LGXGf)
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If I avoided art from people with shitty opinions and terrible behavior I'd never see or hear anything interesting ever again. Not to mention such a blacklist would be too large and unmanageable.
Not to say I don't avoid certain artists for reasons, I just keep the really bar high. Roman Polanski, for instance. Drug and rape a 13 year old and run from the law? Yeah, I'm not gonna bother with your movies. What's the other one...Victor Silva? Yeah, fuck him, too.
So basically the bar is set at, "Rape." That'll get you on the shit list.
Not to say I don't avoid certain artists for reasons, I just keep the really bar high. Roman Polanski, for instance. Drug and rape a 13 year old and run from the law? Yeah, I'm not gonna bother with your movies. What's the other one...Victor Silva? Yeah, fuck him, too.
So basically the bar is set at, "Rape." That'll get you on the shit list.
Posted by: Robert at November 29, 2020 01:10 PM (lgMse)
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My take?
When they merely disagreed with out but "defended to the death our right" to speak, disagree, defend ourselves, etc. -- i.e. merely liberals vs. leftists -- I could tolerate their work.
But increasingly, and now exponentially since DogEater's "election" (if we can call them that anymore), they've been quite clear and I believe it when they constantly tell us that they hate us and they want us dead. So, no, FOAD yourselves.
When they merely disagreed with out but "defended to the death our right" to speak, disagree, defend ourselves, etc. -- i.e. merely liberals vs. leftists -- I could tolerate their work.
But increasingly, and now exponentially since DogEater's "election" (if we can call them that anymore), they've been quite clear and I believe it when they constantly tell us that they hate us and they want us dead. So, no, FOAD yourselves.
Posted by: ShainS at November 29, 2020 01:11 PM (WqPYg)
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Breaking...the fbi found a Trump voter in Wyoming used improper postage to send his ballot in. The voter has been arrested and faces 30 years in prison for both voter and postal fraud.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 01:09 PM (22mNy)
registered Republican ?
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 01:09 PM (22mNy)
registered Republican ?
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 01:11 PM (zr5Kq)
250
>Here's the 2020 Official White House Christmas ornament:
https://tinyurl.com/yyxuvsp5
that makes no sense
https://tinyurl.com/yyxuvsp5
that makes no sense
Posted by: DB- just DB. at November 29, 2020 01:11 PM (iTXRQ)
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Even before the Covid nonsense, musicians income from recordings were almost to nothing. You want to eat, you had to tour.
Now?
Rumor has it that the touring industry will not restart until all of the crews-- I'm guessing both on the road and locally-- get the mark o' the beast vaccine.
Will artists be forced to take it as well? My guess is no, since they did not have to quarantine when they went into NYC.
/killer vaccine for thee, but not for me
Now?
Rumor has it that the touring industry will not restart until all of the crews-- I'm guessing both on the road and locally-- get the mark o' the beast vaccine.
Will artists be forced to take it as well? My guess is no, since they did not have to quarantine when they went into NYC.
/killer vaccine for thee, but not for me
Posted by: President Elect Shibumi, fighting against the Great Reset at November 29, 2020 01:11 PM (ZCiJZ)
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Woman kicker? I would so love to see some offensive guard come barreling downfield on the kickoff and pile drive her into the ground, just because.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 29, 2020 01:12 PM (V2Yro)
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Wtf if Roger Waters?
I stopped listening to Pink Floyd after I learned what a Pink Floyd is. What kind of sicko chooses such a name with which to reference themselves?
I stopped listening to Pink Floyd after I learned what a Pink Floyd is. What kind of sicko chooses such a name with which to reference themselves?
Posted by: Mitch inda Kitchen at November 29, 2020 01:12 PM (IHN7f)
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Why does a woman need to play football ? No other sports out there ?
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 01:10 PM (zr5Kq)
I'm not sure what was in her head. Did she really believe she could compete with men? If so, why?
Kids are being raised into believing a lot of fairy tales.
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 01:10 PM (zr5Kq)
I'm not sure what was in her head. Did she really believe she could compete with men? If so, why?
Kids are being raised into believing a lot of fairy tales.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 01:12 PM (sfhL4)
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>If I avoided art from people with shitty opinions and terrible behavior I'd never see or hear anything interesting ever again.
my thoughts exactly
thanks
my thoughts exactly
thanks
Posted by: DB- just DB. at November 29, 2020 01:12 PM (iTXRQ)
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242 Why does a woman need to play football ? No other sports out there ?
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 01:10 PM (zr5Kq)
As Freud would say, penis envy. But more seriously there seems to be a sincere desire by some women to be 'one of the boys'. I'd compare it to any number of the mental maladies where people feel uncomfortable with who they are in a physical sense.
There's another group that badly want to destroy any male spaces but that's a different issue.
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 01:10 PM (zr5Kq)
As Freud would say, penis envy. But more seriously there seems to be a sincere desire by some women to be 'one of the boys'. I'd compare it to any number of the mental maladies where people feel uncomfortable with who they are in a physical sense.
There's another group that badly want to destroy any male spaces but that's a different issue.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 29, 2020 01:12 PM (Zm+LZ)
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>>I won't piss in your mouth if your teeth were on fire.
I am stealing this and if I give attribution I am giving them to your brother.
This just sounds like him.
Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2020 12:50 PM (ptxmk)
No, thats all me. I think I heard it from an old harley dude years ago.
I am stealing this and if I give attribution I am giving them to your brother.
This just sounds like him.
Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2020 12:50 PM (ptxmk)
No, thats all me. I think I heard it from an old harley dude years ago.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 29, 2020 01:12 PM (9Om/r)
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Why does a woman need to play football ? No other sports out there ?
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 01:10 PM (zr5Kq)
Chess!
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 01:10 PM (zr5Kq)
Chess!
Posted by: Beth Harmon at November 29, 2020 01:12 PM (AiZBA)
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It's basically a tribute album for Wright. I liked it quite a bit.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 29, 2020 01:04 PM (SXvwb)
Thanks for letting me know about it, I haven't listened to it yet and didn't know that about it. It sounds like something I'll enjoy a great deal.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 29, 2020 01:09 PM (V2Yro)
I love that album. A lot. A great way to say farewell.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 29, 2020 01:04 PM (SXvwb)
Thanks for letting me know about it, I haven't listened to it yet and didn't know that about it. It sounds like something I'll enjoy a great deal.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 29, 2020 01:09 PM (V2Yro)
I love that album. A lot. A great way to say farewell.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at November 29, 2020 01:13 PM (x8Wzq)
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>>>If I avoided art from people with shitty opinions and terrible behavior I'd
miss all of garrett's jokes!
miss all of garrett's jokes!
Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2020 01:13 PM (Mcyxh)
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Steven King wrote a book about an evil car and then got run over by a car. So I'm good.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 29, 2020 01:13 PM (r+sAi)
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He was very good when he worked as a collaborator with musicians like David Gilmore. But with "The Wall", Waters was allowed to drive the project, which is how it turned into a piece of bizarre neo-nazi bullshit.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 29, 2020 12:42 PM (V2Yro)
I'll sign on with this. Waters-era Floyd was generally great stuff, except for The Wall, which was shit. The album had a couple decent radio-play songs. The film was unwatchable, pure shit. The Wall was less Pink Floyd and more a Roger Waters self-pity vanity project, and that showed.
Posted by: Pennsyltucky at November 29, 2020 01:05 PM (+3rQF)
Waters killed Floyd. But, they let him roll right over them. I liked the Wall when it came out, but just sorta in retrospect. Only wore out one of 4 sides. The Final Cut was the first PF I never bought since 1971, and was really just the shit that wasn't good enough for the Wall. The power of Floyd lay in the synergy, and Wright was a far stronger part of that than anyone gave credit for.
Consider Waters never really wrote lyrics until DSOTM. He never sang front until Animals. Fucking had to be taught bass by Wright, and finally picked it up in 1969. His power lay in working with others, as theirs did working with him. Kind of the case with most bands. Oh well, the only PF I still play is from DSOTM backwards.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 29, 2020 12:42 PM (V2Yro)
I'll sign on with this. Waters-era Floyd was generally great stuff, except for The Wall, which was shit. The album had a couple decent radio-play songs. The film was unwatchable, pure shit. The Wall was less Pink Floyd and more a Roger Waters self-pity vanity project, and that showed.
Posted by: Pennsyltucky at November 29, 2020 01:05 PM (+3rQF)
Waters killed Floyd. But, they let him roll right over them. I liked the Wall when it came out, but just sorta in retrospect. Only wore out one of 4 sides. The Final Cut was the first PF I never bought since 1971, and was really just the shit that wasn't good enough for the Wall. The power of Floyd lay in the synergy, and Wright was a far stronger part of that than anyone gave credit for.
Consider Waters never really wrote lyrics until DSOTM. He never sang front until Animals. Fucking had to be taught bass by Wright, and finally picked it up in 1969. His power lay in working with others, as theirs did working with him. Kind of the case with most bands. Oh well, the only PF I still play is from DSOTM backwards.
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 29, 2020 01:13 PM (8B6Ng)
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>>> 243 Hmmm.... Here's the 2020 Official White House Christmas ornament:
https://tinyurl.com/yyxuvsp5
Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at November 29, 2020 01:10 PM (3H9h1)
It's an orange-haired JFK??? Trolling?
https://tinyurl.com/yyxuvsp5
Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at November 29, 2020 01:10 PM (3H9h1)
It's an orange-haired JFK??? Trolling?
Posted by: banana Dream at November 29, 2020 01:13 PM (l6b3d)
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15 7: Solaris is one of my favorite films. Haunting and beautiful. Based on a book written by a Pole, movie made by the Soviet Union in the early 70s.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 29, 2020 12:10 PM (SXvwb)
At some MoMe in the future, I hope we can (with TJM) discuss this and drink Tranya.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 29, 2020 12:10 PM (SXvwb)
At some MoMe in the future, I hope we can (with TJM) discuss this and drink Tranya.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 29, 2020 01:13 PM (PiwSw)
Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2020 01:13 PM (Mcyxh)
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Kids are being raised into believing a lot of fairy tales.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 01:12 PM (sfhL4)
Hey!...don't you start no stuff 'bout Santa!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 01:12 PM (sfhL4)
Hey!...don't you start no stuff 'bout Santa!
Posted by: BignJames at November 29, 2020 01:13 PM (AwYPR)
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Well, since we no longer have legitimate elections, why not a third party? Not like a republican's ever going to win another "election" again.
Posted by: Old Dude
Everyone who ever responded to my call for a replacement party with "but we'll be in the wilderness" can kindly fuck off. We've ALWAYS been in the wilderness no matter what the letters after the name were. It's all rasslin' in the end.
Posted by: Old Dude
Everyone who ever responded to my call for a replacement party with "but we'll be in the wilderness" can kindly fuck off. We've ALWAYS been in the wilderness no matter what the letters after the name were. It's all rasslin' in the end.
Posted by: Brother Tim remembers what he's thankful for at November 29, 2020 01:13 PM (Mooke)
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There's a YouTube video of Bernstein and Rostropovich doing the Schumann Cello Concerto. Two repulsive human beings making beautiful music. Not sure what to make of that.
Posted by: Caliban at November 29, 2020 01:13 PM (HgGBT)
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The us womens soccer team lost 5-1 to a HS boys team from Texas. Not the HS national champs or anything just some random HS team. All you need to know about men vs women when it comes to sports.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 01:14 PM (22mNy)
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I expect it is much like the idea that, regardless of the morals or standing of the priest, when he confects the transubstantiation, it is perfectly valid. The actor matters nearly not at all concerning the act itself.
That said, I will not watch anything with Tom Cruise. His movies are just Tom Cruise with different backgrounds, trying to prove he isn't a pussy, which he is.
That said, I will not watch anything with Tom Cruise. His movies are just Tom Cruise with different backgrounds, trying to prove he isn't a pussy, which he is.
Posted by: tcn in AK at November 29, 2020 01:14 PM (qQnCr)
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Kids are being raised into believing a lot of fairy tales.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 01:12 PM (sfhL4)
Hey!...don't you start no stuff 'bout Santa!
Posted by: BignJames
One of the Discworld books had a line about small lies like Santa and the Tooth Fairy are so when we grow up we believe in big ones like Justice. It's a profoundly cynical statement with more truth in it than brings comfort.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 01:12 PM (sfhL4)
Hey!...don't you start no stuff 'bout Santa!
Posted by: BignJames
One of the Discworld books had a line about small lies like Santa and the Tooth Fairy are so when we grow up we believe in big ones like Justice. It's a profoundly cynical statement with more truth in it than brings comfort.
Posted by: Brother Tim remembers what he's thankful for at November 29, 2020 01:15 PM (Mooke)
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>>146 Wagner's music is better than it sounds.
-- Mark Twain
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 29, 2020 12:46 PM (fLVm1)
Starts with "I've heard that..."
-- Mark Twain
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 29, 2020 12:46 PM (fLVm1)
Starts with "I've heard that..."
Posted by: Caliban at November 29, 2020 01:15 PM (HgGBT)
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267 Well, since we no longer have legitimate elections, why not a third party? Not like a republican's ever going to win another "election" again.
Posted by: Old Dude
Everyone who ever responded to my call for a replacement party with "but we'll be in the wilderness" can kindly fuck off. We've ALWAYS been in the wilderness no matter what the letters after the name were. It's all rasslin' in the end.
Posted by: Brother Tim remembers what he's thankful for at November 29, 2020 01:13 PM (Mooke)
At this point we're unlikely to get anymore use of the Republican party, and the existing leadership is likely to interfere with or discourage our extracurricular activities. Before they were a useful but flawed tool. Now(assuming Trump doesn't win) we have no more use for them. They in fact would disguise the one-party state, giving it a veneer of legitimacy.
Posted by: Old Dude
Everyone who ever responded to my call for a replacement party with "but we'll be in the wilderness" can kindly fuck off. We've ALWAYS been in the wilderness no matter what the letters after the name were. It's all rasslin' in the end.
Posted by: Brother Tim remembers what he's thankful for at November 29, 2020 01:13 PM (Mooke)
At this point we're unlikely to get anymore use of the Republican party, and the existing leadership is likely to interfere with or discourage our extracurricular activities. Before they were a useful but flawed tool. Now(assuming Trump doesn't win) we have no more use for them. They in fact would disguise the one-party state, giving it a veneer of legitimacy.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 29, 2020 01:15 PM (Zm+LZ)
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I stopped listening to Pink Floyd after I learned what a Pink Floyd is. What kind of sicko chooses such a name with which to reference themselves?
Posted by: Mitch inda Kitchen at November 29, 2020 01:12 PM
I won't spoil Steely Dan for you.
Posted by: Mitch inda Kitchen at November 29, 2020 01:12 PM
I won't spoil Steely Dan for you.
Posted by: Taqiyyologist at November 29, 2020 01:16 PM (OssQ4)
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There's a YouTube video of Bernstein and Rostropovich doing the Schumann Cello Concerto. Two repulsive human beings making beautiful music. Not sure what to make of that.
Posted by: Caliban at November 29, 2020 01:13 PM (HgGBT)
I watch a lot of classical music on youtube. I never select a Leonard Bernstein video, ever.
Posted by: Caliban at November 29, 2020 01:13 PM (HgGBT)
I watch a lot of classical music on youtube. I never select a Leonard Bernstein video, ever.
Posted by: Beth Harmon at November 29, 2020 01:16 PM (AiZBA)
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I expect it is much like the idea that, regardless of the morals or standing of the priest, when he confects the transubstantiation, it is perfectly valid. The actor matters nearly not at all concerning the act itself.
A Donatist would disagree.
A Donatist would disagree.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 29, 2020 01:16 PM (fLVm1)
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Hmmm.... Here's the 2020 Official White House Christmas ornament:
https://tinyurl.com/yyxuvsp5
Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at November 29, 2020 01:10 PM (3H9h1)
I don't get the symbolism... JFK is Santa?
https://tinyurl.com/yyxuvsp5
Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at November 29, 2020 01:10 PM (3H9h1)
I don't get the symbolism... JFK is Santa?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 29, 2020 01:16 PM (/Dgcm)
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I'm not sure what was in her head. Did she really believe she could compete with men? If so, why?
Kids are being raised into believing a lot of fairy tales.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 01:12 PM (sfhL4)
Well, compete in that arena. It is just silly.
Kids are being raised into believing a lot of fairy tales.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 01:12 PM (sfhL4)
Well, compete in that arena. It is just silly.
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 01:16 PM (zr5Kq)
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off gambit sock
Posted by: DR.WTF at November 29, 2020 01:16 PM (AiZBA)
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I stopped listening to Pink Floyd after I learned what a Pink Floyd is. What kind of sicko chooses such a name with which to reference themselves?
Posted by: Mitch inda Kitchen at November 29, 2020 01:12 PM (IHN7f)
Syd Barrett chose the name Pink Floyd as an amalgam of 2 blues greats, Pink Anderson and Floyd Council. All the other supposed reasons sound cooler. Syd mentioned it in an interview (when he was still on the planet) back in 1967-68.
Posted by: Mitch inda Kitchen at November 29, 2020 01:12 PM (IHN7f)
Syd Barrett chose the name Pink Floyd as an amalgam of 2 blues greats, Pink Anderson and Floyd Council. All the other supposed reasons sound cooler. Syd mentioned it in an interview (when he was still on the planet) back in 1967-68.
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 29, 2020 01:16 PM (8B6Ng)
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I can enjoy art by jerks up to a certain point but even to a shallow person such as myself, there is a straw that breaks the camels back. I can watch Tom Hanks forever because there is a point where he is just making a movie and not hating us for being Conservatives. But John Cougar Mellencamp lost me when he said that Conservatives have no right to free speech. I've always loved his music but I will now change the radio station with a, "He can kiss my ass." I will never again listen to him if I have control of the playlist.
Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 29, 2020 01:16 PM (TqblR)
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Robert Deniro went off the deep end with TDS.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 01:16 PM (22mNy)
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164 -- Blacksheep -- If you are Stephan King, your editor is going to cave to your every whim. Rumor has it that in the later years of his writing career, James Michener refused to be edited. I've heard of a couple other authors with enough clout to skip the editing process. It's like everything else: produce enough money for your associates and you are home free.
I read an article about how the Chinese Lung Rot is making huge changes in the Hollywood movie model. As movie theaters die off, production money dries up, and streaming becomes more important, I wonder if the likes of Sean Penn, Jennifer Lawrence, Danny Glover, etc. are going to be able to demand huge sums of money for their participation in movies. I sincerely hope these people have either priced themselves out of a changing market or are being forced to accept much lower salaries.
I read an article about how the Chinese Lung Rot is making huge changes in the Hollywood movie model. As movie theaters die off, production money dries up, and streaming becomes more important, I wonder if the likes of Sean Penn, Jennifer Lawrence, Danny Glover, etc. are going to be able to demand huge sums of money for their participation in movies. I sincerely hope these people have either priced themselves out of a changing market or are being forced to accept much lower salaries.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- current occupation: cat furniture at November 29, 2020 01:17 PM (hfuUh)
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And I want to add , completely unnecessary.
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 01:17 PM (zr5Kq)
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" I wish I knew what was going on here and who were killed.
Is this even hitting the MSM? I doubt it, but so much is going on and such a hard black out. I'm so disgusted.
We have to rely on the Supreme Court and we are jaded even with them. Very bad state the country is in.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 01:00 PM (sfhL4)"
Newsmax and OANN have given it a good amount of air, but the only mention from other outlets is in passing to denounce tin foil hattery.
Mainstream outlets are reporting the CIA and mil casualties, though, attributed to combat in Somalia and a helicopter crash in the Sinai, respectively.
Is this even hitting the MSM? I doubt it, but so much is going on and such a hard black out. I'm so disgusted.
We have to rely on the Supreme Court and we are jaded even with them. Very bad state the country is in.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 01:00 PM (sfhL4)"
Newsmax and OANN have given it a good amount of air, but the only mention from other outlets is in passing to denounce tin foil hattery.
Mainstream outlets are reporting the CIA and mil casualties, though, attributed to combat in Somalia and a helicopter crash in the Sinai, respectively.
Posted by: there are only three star wars films at November 29, 2020 01:17 PM (EEVQU)
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 29, 2020 01:18 PM (8B6Ng)
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Oftentimes, the political views of the artist make their way into the work, which can be quite unendurable regardless of any other aesthetic qualities. Wagner for one imbued his work with his moral and political philosophies, which were then used as propaganda for racist ideology nationalists in the 19th century. Since I'm quite removed from the damage that such ideologues did I can enjoy the hell out of Wagner, I can even separate his ideologies in his work from the ends to which it was twisted.
When I read the books I'll watch movies by liberal artists, they frequently feel the need to bludgeon me over the head with their ideology, sometimes very bluntly and sometimes very subtly. As I've gotten more wise about the world, I spot much easier than I used to. It usually runs to the experience for me.
Of course I'm a product of my time. It's entirely possible that in another 50 years, people will be able to look at something like Will & Grace and talk about the aesthetic achievement without also the hyperpartisan b******* that it forces upon its contemporaries. Time will tell.
When I read the books I'll watch movies by liberal artists, they frequently feel the need to bludgeon me over the head with their ideology, sometimes very bluntly and sometimes very subtly. As I've gotten more wise about the world, I spot much easier than I used to. It usually runs to the experience for me.
Of course I'm a product of my time. It's entirely possible that in another 50 years, people will be able to look at something like Will & Grace and talk about the aesthetic achievement without also the hyperpartisan b******* that it forces upon its contemporaries. Time will tell.
Posted by: Dan in Philly at November 29, 2020 01:20 PM (wNmLg)
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Oh well, the only PF I still play is from DSOTM backwards.
Wish You Were Here was a damn good album too. I remember liking the Final Cut when I heard it as a kid, but now as an adult hearing it is pure cloying and cringe inducing Water's sanctimonious paplum.
Wish You Were Here was a damn good album too. I remember liking the Final Cut when I heard it as a kid, but now as an adult hearing it is pure cloying and cringe inducing Water's sanctimonious paplum.
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 01:20 PM (1Bpwm)
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Update on supposed Frankfurt firefight
https://tinyurl.com/yxjadt5c
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 29, 2020 01:18 PM (8B6Ng)
I don't know what to make of this stuff at all. It sounds like a Tom Cruise movie.
https://tinyurl.com/yxjadt5c
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 29, 2020 01:18 PM (8B6Ng)
I don't know what to make of this stuff at all. It sounds like a Tom Cruise movie.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 29, 2020 01:20 PM (fLVm1)
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289 Update on supposed Frankfurt firefight
https://tinyurl.com/yxjadt5c
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 29, 2020 01:18 PM (8B6Ng)
Forget the tin foil hat... That requires an entire tin foil body suit
https://tinyurl.com/yxjadt5c
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 29, 2020 01:18 PM (8B6Ng)
Forget the tin foil hat... That requires an entire tin foil body suit
Posted by: It's me donna at November 29, 2020 01:21 PM (Zmnko)
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https://tinyurl.com/yyhwcffs
BREAKING NEWS.
The FBI has now contacted
@PhillDKline
. Earlier this morning I had said they were also talking to
@MattBraynard
.
The FBI is officially investigating fraud in 2020 election.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 12:41 PM (vPzhp)
The KGB will go after anyone who reports it.
https://tinyurl.com/yyhwcffs
BREAKING NEWS.
The FBI has now contacted
@PhillDKline
. Earlier this morning I had said they were also talking to
@MattBraynard
.
The FBI is officially investigating fraud in 2020 election.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 12:41 PM (vPzhp)
The KGB will go after anyone who reports it.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 29, 2020 01:22 PM (1laKh)
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Hey!...don't you start no stuff 'bout Santa!
Posted by: BignJames at November 29, 2020 01:13 PM (AwYPR)
Oh, I still make cookies for Santa.
Posted by: BignJames at November 29, 2020 01:13 PM (AwYPR)
Oh, I still make cookies for Santa.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 01:23 PM (sfhL4)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 29, 2020 01:23 PM (Fjgte)
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>>> I remember reading an interview with Mickey Spillane once, the interviewer was asking him how he had found the inspiration to write so many stores. And he said "It's not inspiration; I get dressed in the morning, I sit down at my typewriter, and I write for 8 - 9 hours every day. And I do that 5 or 6 days each week." It was a job, and he took it very seriously. Of course that was why he was so successful.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 29, 2020 01:00 PM (V2Yro)
Wodehouse too. He developed a system that gave him the rough skeleton of his stories and then filled it in with his wit. He used that to push out streams of work the public loved. Now he came from a different background certainly than Spillane and his objective was, I think, simply maintaining his social standing.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 29, 2020 01:00 PM (V2Yro)
Wodehouse too. He developed a system that gave him the rough skeleton of his stories and then filled it in with his wit. He used that to push out streams of work the public loved. Now he came from a different background certainly than Spillane and his objective was, I think, simply maintaining his social standing.
Posted by: banana Dream at November 29, 2020 01:23 PM (l6b3d)
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Update on supposed Frankfurt firefight
https://tinyurl.com/yxjadt5c
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 29, 2020 01:18 PM (8B6Ng)
Is interesting.
Keys in nicely with Trump taking closer control of JSOC in the recent DoD shakeup.
https://tinyurl.com/yxjadt5c
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 29, 2020 01:18 PM (8B6Ng)
Is interesting.
Keys in nicely with Trump taking closer control of JSOC in the recent DoD shakeup.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 29, 2020 01:23 PM (/Dgcm)
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I'm not sure what was in her head. Did she really believe she could compete with men? If so, why?
Kids are being raised into believing a lot of fairy tales.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
I like the old fairy tales much better.
Kids are being raised into believing a lot of fairy tales.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
I like the old fairy tales much better.
Posted by: Infidel at November 29, 2020 01:23 PM (QoPXA)
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Artists, celebrities, whatever should be admired solely for their work. The vast majority of famous people got that way due to two things:
1) A somewhat natural talent for the thing/things they are famous for
2) A almost dogged willingness to put all other responsibilities of life aside in pursuit of fame and/or money via that talent.
Thus their family and personal lives suffer the most. But they also generally lack an understanding of the world at large. A very, very smart doctor will quite often have little to nothing knowledge of current events or history or how to fix a broken lamp. Smartness...or "smartness"...is not always, and depending on the domain nor even often, transferrable outside their domain of expertise.
1) A somewhat natural talent for the thing/things they are famous for
2) A almost dogged willingness to put all other responsibilities of life aside in pursuit of fame and/or money via that talent.
Thus their family and personal lives suffer the most. But they also generally lack an understanding of the world at large. A very, very smart doctor will quite often have little to nothing knowledge of current events or history or how to fix a broken lamp. Smartness...or "smartness"...is not always, and depending on the domain nor even often, transferrable outside their domain of expertise.
Posted by: WTP at November 29, 2020 01:24 PM (95axh)
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The NRA is now just another Uniparty booger man to raise money from the ProgTards and tool to divert donation money from state organization that are doing effective work...
The NRA is now just another Uniparty booger man to raise money from the ProgTards and tool to divert donation money from state organization that are doing effective work...
Posted by: Joe Sixshooter at November 29, 2020 01:24 PM (+pnR9)
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Robert Deniro went off the deep end with TDS.
Posted by: Asshoes
As an actor, Robert DeNiro developed his craft very little, IMHO. We watched "Mean Streets" about a two months back and his performance and style in it was left in stasis and dropped by him into nearly all the movies he's made since then. It struck me that he had not improved his acting chops during all the years he's spent in the field.
Robert Deniro went off the deep end with TDS.
Posted by: Asshoes
As an actor, Robert DeNiro developed his craft very little, IMHO. We watched "Mean Streets" about a two months back and his performance and style in it was left in stasis and dropped by him into nearly all the movies he's made since then. It struck me that he had not improved his acting chops during all the years he's spent in the field.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 29, 2020 01:24 PM (pNxlR)
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The JFK ornament really is a nice touch. Melania is all class. It was chosen back in February, so no deep hidden meaning I don't think. I think it's Melania honoring JFK. Or more precisely Jackie, who started the Xmas ornament tradition and of course was the embodiment of class supporting a husband of imperfect character. In case 2020 was Melania's last as FLOTUS, she wanted to honor Jackie. Like I said, all class.
Posted by: occam's brassiere at November 29, 2020 01:24 PM (evxBY)
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Does the artistic merit of the work outweigh your knowledge of the creator's moral turpitude? If so, then enjoy. But if Whoopie Goldberg (for example) wants me to watch one of her movies, it better be the most amazing creation in all of human history. And as she is no Richard Wagner...
Posted by: Sobek at November 29, 2020 01:25 PM (hQkcM)
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Ah, yes, the old "Persperation v inspiration" debate.
Inspiration is a real thing, a good thing, but it is notoriously unreliable.
If you want to be successful, get up and work at it, every day.
Famously, band leader Xavier Cugat was being interviewed and the interviewer asked him what is his inspiration.
"My inspiration?" he replied "I love my swimming pool and I am married to Charo."
Inspiration is a real thing, a good thing, but it is notoriously unreliable.
If you want to be successful, get up and work at it, every day.
Famously, band leader Xavier Cugat was being interviewed and the interviewer asked him what is his inspiration.
"My inspiration?" he replied "I love my swimming pool and I am married to Charo."
Posted by: attila the temporarily reasonable at November 29, 2020 01:25 PM (w7KSn)
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Robert Deniro always plays Robert Deniro but does it very well and is entertaining.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 01:25 PM (22mNy)
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There are no breaks on the happening train when the FBI and DOJ finally begin to do there job.
https://twitter.com/SidneyPowell1/
status/1333103910769356802
FINALLY!!!
#FBI
#DOJ
People should have been indicted already!
@TheJusticeDept
@LLinWood
@GenFlynn
@JosephJFlynn1
@abigailcfrye
https://twitter.com/SidneyPowell1/
status/1333103910769356802
FINALLY!!!
#FBI
#DOJ
People should have been indicted already!
@TheJusticeDept
@LLinWood
@GenFlynn
@JosephJFlynn1
@abigailcfrye
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 01:26 PM (vPzhp)
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Thanks for the link.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 29, 2020 01:26 PM (u7erP)
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Stephen King is now big enough to skip the editing process, but I'll bet his sales are way down. Is power and money enough for someone who has stewed in narcissism for decades? Or will the need to have everyone buying his books cause him pain? Oh, I'm sure he's blaming it on Trump but that doesn't change the fact that many people don't care for his work anymore.
Mind you, I have no idea of the sales of his books. I'm judging him purely on personal opinion. His stuff the past ten years or so suck. It reads like someone who loves the sound of his own voice.
Mind you, I have no idea of the sales of his books. I'm judging him purely on personal opinion. His stuff the past ten years or so suck. It reads like someone who loves the sound of his own voice.
Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 29, 2020 01:26 PM (1ebP6)
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237 Opened second half with 30 yard kick
It was a very long 30 yard kick. Sarah's a hero. *hic*
Posted by: Suburban Wine Moms at November 29, 2020 01:09 PM (EgshT)
I've told you guys before: women have no idea how long anything is because men have told them for years that 4 inches is a foot long.
It was a very long 30 yard kick. Sarah's a hero. *hic*
Posted by: Suburban Wine Moms at November 29, 2020 01:09 PM (EgshT)
I've told you guys before: women have no idea how long anything is because men have told them for years that 4 inches is a foot long.
Posted by: tcn in AK at November 29, 2020 01:27 PM (qQnCr)
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Ok, a couple things, here.
Sure, Wagner, for instance, was a total dick. But he was a virtuoso. I don't even like opera, but I like Wagner. By contrast, modern American culture is a yawning sewer, bereft of literally *any* creative or intellectual value, and filled by an nepotistic mob of mediocrities and perverts. Because it's a stinking heap of trash, it's much easier to dismiss out of hand, as nothing is lost by ignoring the cultural effluvium spewed by the Commies.
Secondly, Wagner is deader than disco. The worms finished feasting on his Kraut corpse long ago, and his jew-hatred is no threat to me in the here and now. But our "cultural" "elite" are very much alive, and they hate me and mine with a passion. So no, I won't be consuming their desultory dross and making them rich while they agitate for my social (and eventually, physical) destruction every day.
AFAIC, these people can all go piss up a hangman's rope.
Ok, a couple things, here.
Sure, Wagner, for instance, was a total dick. But he was a virtuoso. I don't even like opera, but I like Wagner. By contrast, modern American culture is a yawning sewer, bereft of literally *any* creative or intellectual value, and filled by an nepotistic mob of mediocrities and perverts. Because it's a stinking heap of trash, it's much easier to dismiss out of hand, as nothing is lost by ignoring the cultural effluvium spewed by the Commies.
Secondly, Wagner is deader than disco. The worms finished feasting on his Kraut corpse long ago, and his jew-hatred is no threat to me in the here and now. But our "cultural" "elite" are very much alive, and they hate me and mine with a passion. So no, I won't be consuming their desultory dross and making them rich while they agitate for my social (and eventually, physical) destruction every day.
AFAIC, these people can all go piss up a hangman's rope.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 29, 2020 01:27 PM (BvLWD)
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I watch a lot of classical music on youtube. I never select a Leonard Bernstein video, ever.
Posted by: Beth Harmon at November 29, 2020 01:16 PM (AiZBA)
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I basically despise Leonard Bernstein as a composer, as a conductor (with many exceptions) and as a person. I will never willingly listen to his "Berlin Wall" Beethoven 9th.
I watch a lot of classical music on youtube. I never select a Leonard Bernstein video, ever.
Posted by: Beth Harmon at November 29, 2020 01:16 PM (AiZBA)
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I basically despise Leonard Bernstein as a composer, as a conductor (with many exceptions) and as a person. I will never willingly listen to his "Berlin Wall" Beethoven 9th.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 29, 2020 01:27 PM (Fjgte)
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Believing the fbi will do anything is more #twoweeks stuff. Why do people fall for this shit over and over.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 01:27 PM (22mNy)
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I read an article about how the Chinese Lung Rot is making huge changes in the Hollywood movie model. As movie theaters die off, production money dries up, and streaming becomes more important, I wonder if the likes of Sean Penn, Jennifer Lawrence, Danny Glover, etc. are going to be able to demand huge sums of money for their participation in movies. I sincerely hope these people have either priced themselves out of a changing market or are being forced to accept much lower salaries.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- current occupation: cat furniture at November 29, 2020 01:17 PM
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I would not be surprised to see a Hallmark model of movie-making get adopted. A stable of actors, good stories, relatively low budgets.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- current occupation: cat furniture at November 29, 2020 01:17 PM
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I would not be surprised to see a Hallmark model of movie-making get adopted. A stable of actors, good stories, relatively low budgets.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 29, 2020 01:28 PM (axyOa)
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@294...Elmore Leonard's another one. Took his job seriously, but had no pretensions. Worked steadily, with a formula to ground him and let his imagination fill in the details. To great effect. Like Wodehouse, Leonard's art in "genre fiction" outstripped by orders of magnitude contemporary "serious writers".
Posted by: occam's brassiere at November 29, 2020 01:28 PM (evxBY)
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John Brown was a terrorist, pure and simple. The fact that I sympathize with the goal he had in his last terrorist act at Harpers doesn't change that. His revenge murder of Southern sympathizers at Ossowatomie in Kansas was inexcusable even in that supercharged atmosphere.
Brown's raid killed people - in fact the first one it killed was a black man if i recall right - and if it had been more successful would have killed more of the ones it purported to save.
I'm a pro-North guy through and through, so I have no truck with the developing treason of secession for slavery the South was going toward, but I have no room for John Brown on my side.
Brown's raid killed people - in fact the first one it killed was a black man if i recall right - and if it had been more successful would have killed more of the ones it purported to save.
I'm a pro-North guy through and through, so I have no truck with the developing treason of secession for slavery the South was going toward, but I have no room for John Brown on my side.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 29, 2020 01:28 PM (EJbIh)
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"But if Whoopie Goldberg (for example) wants me to watch one of her movies, it better be the most amazing creation in all of human history."
This is how I felt about Alec Baldwin. I could ignore his politics and enjoy his acting up until his essence became this all-encompassing politics. Which is why I can still enjoy Sean Penn...though of course he's a much better actor. At least when SP's politics do get out there he does at the least put some of himself into it. Still enjoy the video he did with Kid Rock regarding politics. Not that I've watched many movies made in the last 15 years. They're soooo steeped in PC that the plots hold no interest to me. There's not much in modern movies that I cannot see coming from a mile away.
This is how I felt about Alec Baldwin. I could ignore his politics and enjoy his acting up until his essence became this all-encompassing politics. Which is why I can still enjoy Sean Penn...though of course he's a much better actor. At least when SP's politics do get out there he does at the least put some of himself into it. Still enjoy the video he did with Kid Rock regarding politics. Not that I've watched many movies made in the last 15 years. They're soooo steeped in PC that the plots hold no interest to me. There's not much in modern movies that I cannot see coming from a mile away.
Posted by: WTP at November 29, 2020 01:28 PM (95axh)
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Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 01:26 PM (vPzhp)
There is proof that they are acting on it and not "debunking it", in the national interest, of course?
There is proof that they are acting on it and not "debunking it", in the national interest, of course?
Posted by: NYC and Philly at November 29, 2020 01:28 PM (ONvIw)
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249 Breaking...the fbi found a Trump voter in Wyoming used improper postage to send his ballot in. The voter has been arrested and faces 30 years in prison for both voter and postal fraud.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 01:09 PM (22mNy)
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Uum there is no postage due for mail in ballots.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 01:09 PM (22mNy)
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Uum there is no postage due for mail in ballots.
Posted by: Ward at November 29, 2020 01:28 PM (nzKWW)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 29, 2020 01:29 PM (Fjgte)
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286 Holy shit Clutch, this gives me a glimmer of hope yet. It's such an uphill battle with all the institutional and establishment corruption arrayed against President Trump that it's going to have to be something huge to turn things around, and this is HUGE. Not that all the other evidence of fraud isn't huge, too.
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings *President Re-Elect Donald Trump* at November 29, 2020 01:29 PM (uq7wL)
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I've told you guys before: women have no idea how long anything is because men have told them for years that 4 inches is a foot long.
Posted by: tcn in AK at November 29, 2020 01:27 PM (qQnCr)
Well. Touting Alaska so...you know...cold.
Posted by: tcn in AK at November 29, 2020 01:27 PM (qQnCr)
Well. Touting Alaska so...you know...cold.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 29, 2020 01:29 PM (axyOa)
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I basically despise Leonard Bernstein as a composer, as a conductor (with many exceptions) and as a person. I will never willingly listen to his "Berlin Wall" Beethoven 9th.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 29, 2020 01:27 PM (Fjgte)
I liked his interpretation of Barber's Adagio (early 70's, I think). Everybody else plays it too fast.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 29, 2020 01:27 PM (Fjgte)
I liked his interpretation of Barber's Adagio (early 70's, I think). Everybody else plays it too fast.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 29, 2020 01:29 PM (PiwSw)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 29, 2020 01:30 PM (Fjgte)
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"And that brings up the larger question of whether is is internally consistent to enjoy the works of those whose political philosophy and behavior is anathema to what we believe."
To follow up on my Miles Davis comment, I do listen, and enjoy his music, even though my wife cannot. The fact that he is such a flawed person gives the music an added poignancy. I wonder how such an awful person can create such beautiful art. Knowing more about the people I enjoy can do that for me, although it depends on the person. Roger Waters, for instance, makes it very difficult for me to like "Comfortably Numb" unless I willfully ignore it, which I can do.
For me, an even more interesting question concerns philosophy itself. Can I respect the philosophy, knowing that the person who came up with the theory had it go catastrophically wrong in practice?
Rousseau comes to mind here. IIRC, he believed that people were innately good, and didn't discipline his kids, consistent to his philosophy. They turned out horribly, as expected, and that example turned me off completely from what he had to write about.
To follow up on my Miles Davis comment, I do listen, and enjoy his music, even though my wife cannot. The fact that he is such a flawed person gives the music an added poignancy. I wonder how such an awful person can create such beautiful art. Knowing more about the people I enjoy can do that for me, although it depends on the person. Roger Waters, for instance, makes it very difficult for me to like "Comfortably Numb" unless I willfully ignore it, which I can do.
For me, an even more interesting question concerns philosophy itself. Can I respect the philosophy, knowing that the person who came up with the theory had it go catastrophically wrong in practice?
Rousseau comes to mind here. IIRC, he believed that people were innately good, and didn't discipline his kids, consistent to his philosophy. They turned out horribly, as expected, and that example turned me off completely from what he had to write about.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 29, 2020 01:30 PM (4tiP2)
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Regarding the Frankfurt firefight:
Yes, all of this seems tin foil hat.
Think of all wars throughout history. Think of all communist takeovers throughout history. Cripes, think of just what happened in Cambodia. Just unthinkable. WWII and Hitler? Unthinkable.
How is what is happening right now any different in the scale of the unbelievable? We are living in unbelievable times.
Man up. This is real. A storm is coming. Batten down the hatches.
Yes, all of this seems tin foil hat.
Think of all wars throughout history. Think of all communist takeovers throughout history. Cripes, think of just what happened in Cambodia. Just unthinkable. WWII and Hitler? Unthinkable.
How is what is happening right now any different in the scale of the unbelievable? We are living in unbelievable times.
Man up. This is real. A storm is coming. Batten down the hatches.
Posted by: Derak at November 29, 2020 01:30 PM (k0WjC)
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Breaking...the fbi found a Trump voter in Wyoming used improper postage to send his ballot in. The voter has been arrested and faces 30 years in prison for both voter and postal fraud.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 01:09 PM (22mNy)
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Uum there is no postage due for mail in ballots.
Posted by: Ward at November 29, 2020 01:28 PM (nzKWW)
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Ha!
10 more years. Altering a ballot envelope!
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 01:09 PM (22mNy)
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Uum there is no postage due for mail in ballots.
Posted by: Ward at November 29, 2020 01:28 PM (nzKWW)
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Ha!
10 more years. Altering a ballot envelope!
Posted by: Diogenes at November 29, 2020 01:31 PM (axyOa)
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This is tangential to "art" but it does involve an artist and his potty-mouthed wife.
I make homemade chex mix every Christmas season to give as gifts. Made the first batch last night, and went to the local Kroger to get the ingredients.
Ummm, why are John Legend and his wife plastered on every single box of Chex cereal?
I absolutely refuse to give money to any business associated with those two. They hate me and have made that abundantly clear.
This year's batch is Crispex mix. And it's yummy.
I make homemade chex mix every Christmas season to give as gifts. Made the first batch last night, and went to the local Kroger to get the ingredients.
Ummm, why are John Legend and his wife plastered on every single box of Chex cereal?
I absolutely refuse to give money to any business associated with those two. They hate me and have made that abundantly clear.
This year's batch is Crispex mix. And it's yummy.
Posted by: President-Elect Boots at November 29, 2020 01:31 PM (oGBso)
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>>> I remember reading an interview with Mickey Spillane once, the interviewer was asking him how he had found the inspiration to write so many stores. And he said "It's not inspiration; I get dressed in the morning, I sit down at my typewriter, and I write for 8 - 9 hours every day. And I do that 5 or 6 days each week." It was a job, and he took it very seriously. Of course that was why he was so successful.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 29, 2020 01:00 PM (V2Yro)
Wodehouse too. He developed a system that gave him the rough skeleton of his stories and then filled it in with his wit. He used that to push out streams of work the public loved. Now he came from a different background certainly than Spillane and his objective was, I think, simply maintaining his social standing.
Posted by: banana Dream at November 29, 2020 01:23 PM (l6b3d)
Asimov was like that too - just sit down and work.
Many writers used to be like that. Probably one of the worst thing we have done is give writing the airs of art, so we sympathize with writers block. We dont accept plumber's block, or engineer's block. Get your damn job done.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 29, 2020 01:00 PM (V2Yro)
Wodehouse too. He developed a system that gave him the rough skeleton of his stories and then filled it in with his wit. He used that to push out streams of work the public loved. Now he came from a different background certainly than Spillane and his objective was, I think, simply maintaining his social standing.
Posted by: banana Dream at November 29, 2020 01:23 PM (l6b3d)
Asimov was like that too - just sit down and work.
Many writers used to be like that. Probably one of the worst thing we have done is give writing the airs of art, so we sympathize with writers block. We dont accept plumber's block, or engineer's block. Get your damn job done.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 29, 2020 01:31 PM (EJbIh)
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Update on supposed Frankfurt firefight
https://tinyurl.com/yxjadt5c
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 29, 2020 01:18 PM (8B6Ng)
Forget the tin foil hat... That requires an entire tin foil body suit
Posted by: It's me donna at November 29, 2020 01:21 PM (Zmnko)
wth
I'm going with Kryptonite over tin on this one.
Boy, if only this were true. Ugly though.
https://tinyurl.com/yxjadt5c
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 29, 2020 01:18 PM (8B6Ng)
Forget the tin foil hat... That requires an entire tin foil body suit
Posted by: It's me donna at November 29, 2020 01:21 PM (Zmnko)
wth
I'm going with Kryptonite over tin on this one.
Boy, if only this were true. Ugly though.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 01:31 PM (sfhL4)
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I liked his interpretation of Barber's Adagio (early 70's, I think). Everybody else plays it too fast.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 29, 2020 01:29 PM (PiwSw)
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Whereas I think it's too soggy. Try Schippers or Mariner.
I liked his interpretation of Barber's Adagio (early 70's, I think). Everybody else plays it too fast.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 29, 2020 01:29 PM (PiwSw)
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Whereas I think it's too soggy. Try Schippers or Mariner.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 29, 2020 01:31 PM (Fjgte)
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Breaking...the fbi found a Trump voter in Wyoming
used improper postage to send his ballot in. The voter has been arrested
and faces 30 years in prison for both voter and postal fraud.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 01:09 PM (22mNy)
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Uum there is no postage due for mail in ballots.
Posted by: Ward at November 29, 2020 01:28 PM (nzKWW)
He was being sarcastic.
used improper postage to send his ballot in. The voter has been arrested
and faces 30 years in prison for both voter and postal fraud.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 01:09 PM (22mNy)
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Uum there is no postage due for mail in ballots.
Posted by: Ward at November 29, 2020 01:28 PM (nzKWW)
He was being sarcastic.
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Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 01:26 PM
Apparently nobody on Twitter trusts the FBI, either.
"Mm. That's a shame." -- Seinfeld voice
Apparently nobody on Twitter trusts the FBI, either.
"Mm. That's a shame." -- Seinfeld voice
Posted by: Taqiyyologist at November 29, 2020 01:31 PM (OssQ4)
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If someone died in Frankfurt by gunshot, why say they died in Somalia or in a helicopter crash? That's stupid
Posted by: NYC and Philly at November 29, 2020 01:31 PM (ONvIw)
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I think Alec Baldwin went overboard with TDS purposefully. It paid off for him playing Trump on SNL. Black Rifle stuff happens on the left as well. Not saying Baldwin is a Trumper, but he went so overboard that I dont think it is genuine. These are all calculated moves.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 01:32 PM (22mNy)
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Uum there is no postage due for mail in ballots.
Posted by: Ward at November 29, 2020 01:28 PM (nzKWW)
He was being sarcastic.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 29, 2020 01:31 PM (9Om/r)
There's always someone...
Posted by: Ward at November 29, 2020 01:28 PM (nzKWW)
He was being sarcastic.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 29, 2020 01:31 PM (9Om/r)
There's always someone...
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 29, 2020 01:32 PM (fLVm1)
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Well. Touting Alaska so...you know...cold.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 29, 2020 01:29 PM
Crap. You're in Alaska so...
Stoopid phone.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 29, 2020 01:29 PM
Crap. You're in Alaska so...
Stoopid phone.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 29, 2020 01:33 PM (axyOa)
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If someone died in Frankfurt by gunshot, why say they died in Somalia or in a helicopter crash? That's stupid
Posted by: NYC and Philly at November 29, 2020 01:31 PM (ONvIw)
They do it for tax reasons.
Posted by: NYC and Philly at November 29, 2020 01:31 PM (ONvIw)
They do it for tax reasons.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 29, 2020 01:33 PM (fLVm1)
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They do it for tax reasons.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 29, 2020 01:33 PM (fLVm1)
Of course (face palms)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 29, 2020 01:33 PM (fLVm1)
Of course (face palms)
Posted by: NYC and Philly at November 29, 2020 01:33 PM (ONvIw)
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I read an article about how the Chinese Lung Rot is making huge changes in the Hollywood movie model. As movie theaters die off, production money dries up, and streaming becomes more important, I wonder if the likes of Sean Penn, Jennifer Lawrence, Danny Glover, etc. are going to be able to demand huge sums of money for their participation in movies. I sincerely hope these people have either priced themselves out of a changing market or are being forced to accept much lower salaries.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- current occupation: cat furniture at November 29, 2020 01:17 PM
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I would not be surprised to see a Hallmark model of movie-making get adopted. A stable of actors, good stories, relatively low budgets.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 29, 2020 01:28 PM (axyOa)
I would be because nobody in Hollywood can write anymore. Or edit/oversee, since they let such trash get out that drives audiences away for politics.
I think the studio system was dying fast, and the self imposed Covid will kill it for good.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- current occupation: cat furniture at November 29, 2020 01:17 PM
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I would not be surprised to see a Hallmark model of movie-making get adopted. A stable of actors, good stories, relatively low budgets.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 29, 2020 01:28 PM (axyOa)
I would be because nobody in Hollywood can write anymore. Or edit/oversee, since they let such trash get out that drives audiences away for politics.
I think the studio system was dying fast, and the self imposed Covid will kill it for good.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 29, 2020 01:34 PM (EJbIh)
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Hmm. Regarding the JFK ornament.
Is it the tin foil hat conspiracy that JFK was assassinated because he attempted to thwart the CIA takeover of the government?
Given Trumps highest security clearance, would he not now know how that shit show went down?
Hmmm.
Is it the tin foil hat conspiracy that JFK was assassinated because he attempted to thwart the CIA takeover of the government?
Given Trumps highest security clearance, would he not now know how that shit show went down?
Hmmm.
Posted by: Derak at November 29, 2020 01:34 PM (k0WjC)
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I would not be surprised to see a Hallmark model of movie-making get adopted. A stable of actors, good stories, relatively low budgets.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 29, 2020 01:28 PM (axyOa)
The studio model.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 29, 2020 01:28 PM (axyOa)
The studio model.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 29, 2020 01:35 PM (fLVm1)
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Fuck Hollywood. We no longer need any actresses or actors with this digital shit. And fuck anyway, all I do is watch the history channel and the Sopranos
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 29, 2020 01:35 PM (85Gof)
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. A stable of actors, good stories, relatively low budgets.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 29, 2020 01:28 PM (axyOa)
Good stories?
Posted by: Diogenes at November 29, 2020 01:28 PM (axyOa)
Good stories?
Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2020 01:35 PM (Xih1H)
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now get out there and vote, you idiots...
Robert Barnes RetweetedPaul Sperry
@paulsperry_
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BREAKING: Capitulating to Stacey Abrams pressure groups, Georgia election officials have extended the use of fraud-prone absentee ballot "drop boxes" for Jan 5 Senate runoffs + early processing,prompting one county GOP official to warn: "We will lose both Senate seats in January"
Robert Barnes RetweetedPaul Sperry
@paulsperry_
1h
BREAKING: Capitulating to Stacey Abrams pressure groups, Georgia election officials have extended the use of fraud-prone absentee ballot "drop boxes" for Jan 5 Senate runoffs + early processing,prompting one county GOP official to warn: "We will lose both Senate seats in January"
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at November 29, 2020 01:35 PM (JWCyv)
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One thing about the collision of art and politics is that it invariably results in a profound decline in the quality of the art produced in modern times.
Posted by: Sam at November 29, 2020 12:42 PM (ohyxL)
My go-to example is four of John Wayne's films: Rio Bravo, McLintock!, The Alamo, and The Green Berets. All of them either had political origins or The Duke's overt political views inserted into them. But generally, the more political content in the film, EVEN THOUGH I AGREE WITH ALMOST EVERY POINT, the worse the film is.
One thing about the collision of art and politics is that it invariably results in a profound decline in the quality of the art produced in modern times.
Posted by: Sam at November 29, 2020 12:42 PM (ohyxL)
My go-to example is four of John Wayne's films: Rio Bravo, McLintock!, The Alamo, and The Green Berets. All of them either had political origins or The Duke's overt political views inserted into them. But generally, the more political content in the film, EVEN THOUGH I AGREE WITH ALMOST EVERY POINT, the worse the film is.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 29, 2020 01:35 PM (EGyGV)
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I used to love Whoopie but will not watch her anymore. Except in Ghost but I blame that on Patrick Swayze.
Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 29, 2020 01:35 PM (1ebP6)
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Whereas I think it's too soggy. Try Schippers or Mariner.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 29, 2020 01:31 PM (Fjgte)
Oooh, The Schippers interpretation is very nice! Thank you!
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 29, 2020 01:31 PM (Fjgte)
Oooh, The Schippers interpretation is very nice! Thank you!
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 29, 2020 01:36 PM (PiwSw)
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39 I use linked in because it is a good way to keep in touch with business peeps. But as far as wokeness goes it is a 12 on the 0-10 scale. Nothing but diverse this, inclusive that, and grrrrrrl power. As well as pushing enviro nonsense.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 12:19 PM (22mNy)
Owned by Microsoft - diversity and inclusion are now permeating it, too.
Find alternatives.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 12:19 PM (22mNy)
Owned by Microsoft - diversity and inclusion are now permeating it, too.
Find alternatives.
Posted by: steelguidewire at November 29, 2020 01:37 PM (SxTY3)
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I love my daddy even though he butt raped me most nights from age 3 to 10.
I can compartmentalize his actions from my love for him.
I love my daddy even though he butt raped me most nights from age 3 to 10.
I can compartmentalize his actions from my love for him.
Posted by: Peter Buttplug at November 29, 2020 01:37 PM (+pnR9)
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Personally I reward the project or the art work. Personally I do not like Joaquin Phoenix, but the man carried the Joker movie.
The Directors had cast Alex Baldwin to play Bruce Wayne's Father, but he opened his mouth and spouted how he was going to play him like Donald Trump. He was replaced.
The Directors had cast Alex Baldwin to play Bruce Wayne's Father, but he opened his mouth and spouted how he was going to play him like Donald Trump. He was replaced.
Posted by: Picric at November 29, 2020 01:37 PM (3QnyK)
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A Donatist would disagree.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 29, 2020 01:16 PM (fLVm1)
Sure, because he would be a heretic.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 29, 2020 01:16 PM (fLVm1)
Sure, because he would be a heretic.
Posted by: tcn in AK at November 29, 2020 01:37 PM (qQnCr)
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Watched a good movie a while back. I know nothing of the involved's politics. It was just a good flick. No one famous. Just a good story.
The Legend of 5 Mile Cave.
The Legend of 5 Mile Cave.
Posted by: Infidel at November 29, 2020 01:37 PM (QoPXA)
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Here's the 2020 Official White House Christmas ornament:
https://tinyurl.com/yyxuvsp5
that makes no sense
Posted by: DB- just DB. at November 29, 2020 01:11 PM (iTXRQ)
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At first I was, wtf, but maybe Trump is signaling that the new Democrat party is no longer the party of Kennedy. There were many former Democrats that supported Trump.
https://tinyurl.com/yyxuvsp5
that makes no sense
Posted by: DB- just DB. at November 29, 2020 01:11 PM (iTXRQ)
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At first I was, wtf, but maybe Trump is signaling that the new Democrat party is no longer the party of Kennedy. There were many former Democrats that supported Trump.
Posted by: redridinghood at November 29, 2020 01:37 PM (NpAcC)
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My dislike of Stephen King has less to do with his leftist views, than his gratuitous child sex in every single novel in the latter half of his career. But lately I'm coming to believe that the two are inseperably linked. Its his kink, and he can't help but broadcast it.
Posted by: Taqiyyologist
I only read a few of his books, and I was ambushed by one of those kinds of graphic sections, I was done.
That's another aspect to the leftards politicizing everything. The chickenshits just can't help themselves but ambush you with offensive sections that are irrelevant to the story. Like mixing rat turds into chocolate chip cookies. Of course, by and large don't even try to hide it anymore, so it's less of an ambush than a full frontal assault.
Posted by: Taqiyyologist
I only read a few of his books, and I was ambushed by one of those kinds of graphic sections, I was done.
That's another aspect to the leftards politicizing everything. The chickenshits just can't help themselves but ambush you with offensive sections that are irrelevant to the story. Like mixing rat turds into chocolate chip cookies. Of course, by and large don't even try to hide it anymore, so it's less of an ambush than a full frontal assault.
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings *President Re-Elect Donald Trump* at November 29, 2020 01:37 PM (uq7wL)
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The yuutes dont have the ability to sit through a 2 hr movie anymore. At least not in one sitting.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 01:37 PM (22mNy)
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Many artists , writers, actors works are great and enjoyable Once I find out about their personal opinions it can color my enjoyment I still like the work. I do like Pink Floyd"s work not their political BS I still enjoy listening to it I would wish that artists would not spew forth their opinions because it does color my enjoyment. i can separate my enjoyment of a product from my dislike of the person . It does get harder in recent times . What really ticks me off is the sense of moral superiority not their venal or moral sins.
Posted by: RAH at November 29, 2020 01:38 PM (o4Vbv)
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That guy Schroeder has some problems, but he can play Beethoven like a champ. How can you not listen?
Posted by: SFGoth at November 29, 2020 01:38 PM (KAi1n)
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The folks who argue the hardest to erase the works they disapprove with are also the folks who argue the hardest to defend monsters on their on side. Bill Clinton, Roman Polanski, Harvey Weinstein, Michael Jackson, Marion Zimmer Bradley, the list goes on and on. They aren't acting in support of a genuine principle, the hypocrites are simply seeking an excuse. And if that won't work, they'll find another.
Enjoy whatever you like. But try not to put any money into the pockets of any scumbags who might have been involved in producing it.
Enjoy whatever you like. But try not to put any money into the pockets of any scumbags who might have been involved in producing it.
Posted by: bittergeek at November 29, 2020 01:39 PM (O8ySC)
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Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 01:26 PM
Apparently nobody on Twitter trusts the FBI, either.
"Mm. That's a shame." -- Seinfeld voice
Posted by: Taqiyyologist at November 29, 2020 01:31 PM (OssQ4)
either they investigate correctly. OR they dont or they do and cover it up becoming subject to the insurrection act.
Apparently nobody on Twitter trusts the FBI, either.
"Mm. That's a shame." -- Seinfeld voice
Posted by: Taqiyyologist at November 29, 2020 01:31 PM (OssQ4)
either they investigate correctly. OR they dont or they do and cover it up becoming subject to the insurrection act.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 01:39 PM (vPzhp)
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Good stories?
Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2020 01:35 PM (Xih1H)
Heh.
Yeah. According to Mrs D and I'll never disagree...at least within earshot.
Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2020 01:35 PM (Xih1H)
Heh.
Yeah. According to Mrs D and I'll never disagree...at least within earshot.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 29, 2020 01:39 PM (axyOa)
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I think one distinction between Wagner and Stone is that Wagner has been dead for a century so he'll vex us no more. Who knows what Stone will do?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler
If he's rolling, he'll gather no moss.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler
If he's rolling, he'll gather no moss.
Posted by: JT at November 29, 2020 01:40 PM (arJlL)
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I can't separate the man from the art. I don't see a lot of recent movies. I don't feel like I'm missing anything good
Posted by: NYC and Philly at November 29, 2020 01:40 PM (ONvIw)
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Solaris is one of my favorite films. Haunting and beautiful. Based on a book written by a Pole, movie made by the Soviet Union in the early 70s.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 29, 2020 12:10 PM (SXvwb)
At some MoMe in the future, I hope we can (with TJM) discuss this and drink Tranya.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 29, 2020 01:13 PM (PiwSw)
Discuss which "Solaris" though?
The theatrical release, the slightly longer release, or the 3 month long director's release?
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 29, 2020 12:10 PM (SXvwb)
At some MoMe in the future, I hope we can (with TJM) discuss this and drink Tranya.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 29, 2020 01:13 PM (PiwSw)
Discuss which "Solaris" though?
The theatrical release, the slightly longer release, or the 3 month long director's release?
Posted by: naturalfake at November 29, 2020 01:40 PM (dWwl8)
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Kemp is all in for China and the Dems.
Posted by: Asshoes at November 29, 2020 01:40 PM (22mNy)
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either they investigate correctly. OR they dont or they do and cover it up becoming subject to the insurrection act.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 01:39 PM (vPzhp)
Cute. Who is going to charge them, the DOJ? HAHAHAHAH
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 01:39 PM (vPzhp)
Cute. Who is going to charge them, the DOJ? HAHAHAHAH
Posted by: NYC and Philly at November 29, 2020 01:40 PM (ONvIw)
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voice of reason - keep your sanity
Tracy Beanz @tracybeanz
We need to stop walking off a cliff every time the legacy media reports something about a contested state. These things won't be won with the same corrupt machines that perpetrated the fraud all of a sudden admitting it. Recounts are necessary for next steps. (Cont)
Hearings aren't just for show - they are to explain the fraud to state leg. who choose electors. This isn't a ridiculously long time period for folks to hold on. Don't let them sway your hearts with their words - research things yourself - (cont)
They are there as the puppeteer to pull your strings. Your strings have been cut. Stop letting them repair them. Public pressure is needed - not defeatism. Continue demanding fair elections. Stop rolling over. Stop feeding concern trolls. This is your country at stake - FIGHT
Tracy Beanz @tracybeanz
We need to stop walking off a cliff every time the legacy media reports something about a contested state. These things won't be won with the same corrupt machines that perpetrated the fraud all of a sudden admitting it. Recounts are necessary for next steps. (Cont)
Hearings aren't just for show - they are to explain the fraud to state leg. who choose electors. This isn't a ridiculously long time period for folks to hold on. Don't let them sway your hearts with their words - research things yourself - (cont)
They are there as the puppeteer to pull your strings. Your strings have been cut. Stop letting them repair them. Public pressure is needed - not defeatism. Continue demanding fair elections. Stop rolling over. Stop feeding concern trolls. This is your country at stake - FIGHT
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 01:42 PM (sfhL4)
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 01:42 PM (zr5Kq)
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Yes, The Wall is just Roger Water long, overly dramatic explanation of why he is such an obnoxious asshole....he even blamed his poor mother....smdh.....but that is the same album that gave us Comfortably Numb....that song is damn near perfect!
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:54 PM (1Bpwm)
My absolute favorite version of Comfortably Numb has Van Morrison singing the chorus.
He takes that song up a notch with his vocals.
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:54 PM (1Bpwm)
My absolute favorite version of Comfortably Numb has Van Morrison singing the chorus.
He takes that song up a notch with his vocals.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 29, 2020 01:42 PM (yymBo)
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Got to attend to other matters.
Posted by: runner at November 29, 2020 01:42 PM (zr5Kq)
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My late 2 cents to the initial post: Everything I thought about Robert Heinlein's work changed after I found out his background and philosophy, Still love his work, but it has totally different meanings now.
Posted by: FrodoB-
cause I am at November 29, 2020 01:43 PM (dQF3z)
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My first exposure to classical music, not technically classical but impressionist, was Debussy, by my now dead band teacher whom I will always admire. I would listen to Debussy for years until I heard Paul Harvey tell how the guy loathesomely treated his wife. I've not been able to listen to his music since.
Posted by: Citizen at November 29, 2020 01:43 PM (ldmQR)
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The FBI is officially investigating fraud in 2020 election.
Many training modules will be updated.
The FBI is officially investigating fraud in 2020 election.
Many training modules will be updated.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at November 29, 2020 01:44 PM (JWCyv)
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>> I think Alec Baldwin went overboard with TDS purposefully. It paid off for him playing Trump on SNL.
Baldwin's most recent other successful work was playing uber-conservative GE CEO Jack Donaghy on "30Rock."
As with the the Ron Swanson character on fellow SNL alum Amy Poehler's "Parks and Rec," Baldwin's Donaghy went from conservative punchline to the father figure/mentor/voice of reason for the series lead female lead. Baldwin made the character cartoonish, but despite this he was endearing, especially in how his 'greedy, mean conservative' values/advice were spot on more often than not. There was one episode where Donaghy was high on his streak of "Reaganing" -- everything kept falling into place/going perfectly. Heh.
His work in this role made me temporarily choose to ignore what a violent douche Baldwin is in real life. He's a jerk, and a Lefty through and through. He tweeted out "You're Welcome" and a pic of himself in SNL Trump attire after the MSM declared Biden the winner.
Baldwin's most recent other successful work was playing uber-conservative GE CEO Jack Donaghy on "30Rock."
As with the the Ron Swanson character on fellow SNL alum Amy Poehler's "Parks and Rec," Baldwin's Donaghy went from conservative punchline to the father figure/mentor/voice of reason for the series lead female lead. Baldwin made the character cartoonish, but despite this he was endearing, especially in how his 'greedy, mean conservative' values/advice were spot on more often than not. There was one episode where Donaghy was high on his streak of "Reaganing" -- everything kept falling into place/going perfectly. Heh.
His work in this role made me temporarily choose to ignore what a violent douche Baldwin is in real life. He's a jerk, and a Lefty through and through. He tweeted out "You're Welcome" and a pic of himself in SNL Trump attire after the MSM declared Biden the winner.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 29, 2020 01:44 PM (bDqIh)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 29, 2020 01:44 PM (U8yWc)
Posted by: redridinghood at November 29, 2020 01:44 PM (NpAcC)
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Hope Sidney Powell is correct in thinking the FBI are investigating voter fraud, but I'd be more inclined to bl Chris Wray had agents pursuing whistleblowers for daring to speak up.
Posted by: EveR at November 29, 2020 01:45 PM (DsGxB)
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Good stories?
Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2020 01:35 PM (Xih1H)
Heh.
Yeah. According to Mrs D and I'll never disagree...at least within earshot.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 29, 2020 01:39 PM (axyOa)
I'll agree with Mrs D too - Hallmark writes stuff to suit its audience, not to spit in their face. When visiting home in college, as a maniacal reader I read quite a few romance novels, some good some less so. There's a formula, sure, just like in action movies, and it suits the women that like that stuff very well.
If they suddenly started making only taut psychological thrillers then women could no longer drop into and out of the plot without concentrating on it, which is not what they want when going to Hallmark.
Today woke crowds deliberately attack their audience. Hallmark doesnt so far.
Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2020 01:35 PM (Xih1H)
Heh.
Yeah. According to Mrs D and I'll never disagree...at least within earshot.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 29, 2020 01:39 PM (axyOa)
I'll agree with Mrs D too - Hallmark writes stuff to suit its audience, not to spit in their face. When visiting home in college, as a maniacal reader I read quite a few romance novels, some good some less so. There's a formula, sure, just like in action movies, and it suits the women that like that stuff very well.
If they suddenly started making only taut psychological thrillers then women could no longer drop into and out of the plot without concentrating on it, which is not what they want when going to Hallmark.
Today woke crowds deliberately attack their audience. Hallmark doesnt so far.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 29, 2020 01:45 PM (EJbIh)
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Station to Station is one of the best Bowie albums and it came from his admittedly darkest character/persona
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at November 29, 2020 01:46 PM (x4PmO)
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Al Gore finally conceded on December 13.
I remember the Bush vs Gore case being center stage in every news outlet. But at that point nobody was brave enough to start calling Gore the Prez Elect.
I remember the Bush vs Gore case being center stage in every news outlet. But at that point nobody was brave enough to start calling Gore the Prez Elect.
Posted by: President-Elect Boots at November 29, 2020 01:46 PM (oGBso)
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My late 2 cents to the initial post: Everything I thought about Robert Heinlein's work changed after I found out his background and philosophy, Still love his work, but it has totally different meanings now.
Posted by: FrodoB-
cause I am at November 29, 2020 01:43 PM (dQF3z
Some of his early stuff is tolerable for me. Too much strange later on.
Posted by: FrodoB-
cause I am at November 29, 2020 01:43 PM (dQF3z
Some of his early stuff is tolerable for me. Too much strange later on.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 29, 2020 01:47 PM (EJbIh)
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That's another aspect to the leftards politicizing everything. The chickenshits just can't help themselves but ambush you with offensive sections that are irrelevant to the story. Like mixing rat turds into chocolate chip cookies. Of course, by and large don't even try to hide it anymore, so it's less of an ambush than a full frontal assault.
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings *President Re-Elect Donald Trump* at November 29, 2020 01:37 PM (uq7wL)
Stephen King is a pedo. It's not a 'kink'. Not just his writing - look at HIM.
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings *President Re-Elect Donald Trump* at November 29, 2020 01:37 PM (uq7wL)
Stephen King is a pedo. It's not a 'kink'. Not just his writing - look at HIM.
Posted by: steelguidewire at November 29, 2020 01:47 PM (SxTY3)
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>>BREAKING: Capitulating to Stacey Abrams pressure groups
And to think of all the time I wasted chasing the White one...
And to think of all the time I wasted chasing the White one...
Posted by: Capt. Ahab at November 29, 2020 01:48 PM (wxP4W)
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Station to Station is one of the best Bowie albums and it came from his admittedly darkest character/persona
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at November 29, 2020 01:46 PM (x4PmO)
Bowie had so many great albums with different personas
Ziggy Stardust and Station to Station don't even sound like the work of the same person.
And his last album, Blackstar, recorded as he was dying of cancer, is a monumental achievement
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at November 29, 2020 01:46 PM (x4PmO)
Bowie had so many great albums with different personas
Ziggy Stardust and Station to Station don't even sound like the work of the same person.
And his last album, Blackstar, recorded as he was dying of cancer, is a monumental achievement
Posted by: JoeF. at November 29, 2020 01:49 PM (HrMC1)
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And to think of all the time I wasted chasing the White one...
Posted by: Capt. Ahab at November 29, 2020 01:48 PM (wxP4W)
So she really IS the governor, after all. He should just fucking resign
Posted by: Capt. Ahab at November 29, 2020 01:48 PM (wxP4W)
So she really IS the governor, after all. He should just fucking resign
Posted by: NYC and Philly at November 29, 2020 01:49 PM (ONvIw)
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The question is, did Ginnie do butt stuff, and did she DP when they banged L. Ron?
Posted by: Peter Buttplug at November 29, 2020 01:49 PM (+pnR9)
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Paul Sperry
@paulsperry_
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BREAKING: Capitulating to Stacey Abrams pressure groups, Georgia election officials have extended the use of fraud-prone absentee ballot "drop boxes" for Jan 5 Senate runoffs + early processing,prompting one county GOP official to warn: "We will lose both Senate seats in January"
@paulsperry_
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BREAKING: Capitulating to Stacey Abrams pressure groups, Georgia election officials have extended the use of fraud-prone absentee ballot "drop boxes" for Jan 5 Senate runoffs + early processing,prompting one county GOP official to warn: "We will lose both Senate seats in January"
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 01:49 PM (sfhL4)
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Two of my Dad's cousins were architects, like myself. They both killed themselves, in separate incidents. I dabbled with suicide during part of my earlier life as well.
My Dad asked me if there was something in the makeup of the creative personality that led to depression, alcoholism and suicide. Considering that both of my grandfathers were raging alcoholics, and that has been passed down to several of my sibs and cousins as well, I'd have to say there is probably some truth to that.
The creative mind isn't necessarily the rational mind, so what the artists lean to in their politics may or may not be rational, at all.
Doesn't necessarily negate their art.
My Dad asked me if there was something in the makeup of the creative personality that led to depression, alcoholism and suicide. Considering that both of my grandfathers were raging alcoholics, and that has been passed down to several of my sibs and cousins as well, I'd have to say there is probably some truth to that.
The creative mind isn't necessarily the rational mind, so what the artists lean to in their politics may or may not be rational, at all.
Doesn't necessarily negate their art.
Posted by: tcn in AK at November 29, 2020 01:49 PM (qQnCr)
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286 Holy shit Clutch, this gives me a glimmer of hope yet. It's such an uphill battle with all the institutional and establishment corruption arrayed against President Trump that it's going to have to be something huge to turn things around, and this is HUGE. Not that all the other evidence of fraud isn't huge, too.
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings *President Re-Elect Donald Trump* at November 29, 2020 01:29 PM (uq7wL)
If it weren't for McInerney, and an actual audio interview with him, I'd blow it off. Is it purposeful misinfo? Likely. I won't even ask why. I'd like to believe we've got some of the military still on our side.
Yeah, it's crazy AF. As I said earlier downthread, how can something like this happen in one of the larger metropolitan areas of the EU without anybody catching wind?
Then I think about being in one of the largest Server farms in Silicon Valley circa 2003. You could set a Howitzer off in their and nobody would know. That assuming there was no firefight outside, which is possible. Also, most of the R&D areas in Silicon Valley are virtual graveyards on weekends. Miles of empty parking lots and solitude.
For the time being, I file this under the rest of psyops, on our rather short sided checklist.
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings *President Re-Elect Donald Trump* at November 29, 2020 01:29 PM (uq7wL)
If it weren't for McInerney, and an actual audio interview with him, I'd blow it off. Is it purposeful misinfo? Likely. I won't even ask why. I'd like to believe we've got some of the military still on our side.
Yeah, it's crazy AF. As I said earlier downthread, how can something like this happen in one of the larger metropolitan areas of the EU without anybody catching wind?
Then I think about being in one of the largest Server farms in Silicon Valley circa 2003. You could set a Howitzer off in their and nobody would know. That assuming there was no firefight outside, which is possible. Also, most of the R&D areas in Silicon Valley are virtual graveyards on weekends. Miles of empty parking lots and solitude.
For the time being, I file this under the rest of psyops, on our rather short sided checklist.
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 29, 2020 01:50 PM (8B6Ng)
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Paul Sperry
@paulsperry_
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2h
BREAKING: Carter Page is suing Brian J. Auten, first exposed by RealClearInvestigations as FBI analyst who failed to do his job & properly vet the fraudulent dossier used in FISA
FBI Man at the Heart of Surveillance Abuses Is a Professor of Spying Ethics
May he end up a very wealthy man after this.
Paul Sperry
@paulsperry_
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2h
BREAKING: Carter Page is suing Brian J. Auten, first exposed by RealClearInvestigations as FBI analyst who failed to do his job & properly vet the fraudulent dossier used in FISA
FBI Man at the Heart of Surveillance Abuses Is a Professor of Spying Ethics
May he end up a very wealthy man after this.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 01:50 PM (sfhL4)
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Stephen King is a pedo. It's not a 'kink'. Not just his writing - look at HIM.>>>
Last thing I read from him was Cujo. First page or two was a reference to a five year old boy's genitalia. I could not understand why he felt this needed to be included. Your observation clarifies the issue.
Last thing I read from him was Cujo. First page or two was a reference to a five year old boy's genitalia. I could not understand why he felt this needed to be included. Your observation clarifies the issue.
Posted by: Old Dude at November 29, 2020 01:50 PM (LGXGf)
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What I still don't understand is why artists think we give a crap about their political views in the first place.
Shut up and sing.
Shut up and sing.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 29, 2020 01:52 PM (U2p+3)
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So she really IS the governor, after all. He should just fucking resign
Posted by: NYC and Philly at November 29, 2020 01:49 PM (ONvIw)
I wonder if you could trigger a Captain Queeg meltdown by catching her off guard in a cozy, softball interview by asking if she's upset that they spooled up the fraud engines for Joe Biden but couldn't be bothered to do it for her.
Posted by: NYC and Philly at November 29, 2020 01:49 PM (ONvIw)
I wonder if you could trigger a Captain Queeg meltdown by catching her off guard in a cozy, softball interview by asking if she's upset that they spooled up the fraud engines for Joe Biden but couldn't be bothered to do it for her.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 29, 2020 01:52 PM (t+qrx)
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Will the latest gimme to Stacy Abrams finally get Perdue and Loeffler out of their GOPe comas and do something? Perdue wouldn't be in a runoff if he'd demanded the signature check.
Posted by: EveR at November 29, 2020 01:52 PM (DsGxB)
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>>What I still don't understand is why artists think we give a crap about their political views in the first place.
>Shut up and sing.
...or whatever that is you are doing, Eddie Vedder.
>Shut up and sing.
...or whatever that is you are doing, Eddie Vedder.
Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2020 01:52 PM (wxP4W)
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Meh. Especially considering the jumping off point: Wagner
He died 150 years ago. I could not possibly care less about the character of an artist from over a century ago. By that same measure, you're actually starting down the road to believing in "white guilt" and a woke SJW worldview.
The person and the product are completely separate. End
He died 150 years ago. I could not possibly care less about the character of an artist from over a century ago. By that same measure, you're actually starting down the road to believing in "white guilt" and a woke SJW worldview.
The person and the product are completely separate. End
Posted by: deadrody at November 29, 2020 01:53 PM (V9901)
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I remember the Bush vs Gore case being center stage in every news outlet. But at that point nobody was brave enough to start calling Gore the Prez Elect.
Posted by: President-Elect Boots at November 29, 2020 01:46 PM (oGBso)
This is the key difference.
The media WANTED to keep that story front and center because it was THEIR guy.
Today, they are deliberately avoiding looking into the fraud, even as they wave it off as a desperate conspiracy theory.
This is a total dereliction of a free press.
In the off chance that SCOTUS sets things right and Trump prevails, it's going to come as such a shock to so many people that their will be a massive upheaval.
The deaths and destruction will be on the MEDIA.
Posted by: President-Elect Boots at November 29, 2020 01:46 PM (oGBso)
This is the key difference.
The media WANTED to keep that story front and center because it was THEIR guy.
Today, they are deliberately avoiding looking into the fraud, even as they wave it off as a desperate conspiracy theory.
This is a total dereliction of a free press.
In the off chance that SCOTUS sets things right and Trump prevails, it's going to come as such a shock to so many people that their will be a massive upheaval.
The deaths and destruction will be on the MEDIA.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 29, 2020 01:53 PM (HrMC1)
397
Here's the 2020 Official White House Christmas ornament:
https://tinyurl.com/yyxuvsp5
that makes no sense
The ornament was put out by the White House Historical Association. So it's not like Melania designed it or even picked it out at the Hallmark store.
https://tinyurl.com/yyxuvsp5
that makes no sense
The ornament was put out by the White House Historical Association. So it's not like Melania designed it or even picked it out at the Hallmark store.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com lives again at November 29, 2020 01:53 PM (SchxB)
398
Baldwin made the character cartoonish, but despite this he was endearing, especially in how his 'greedy, mean conservative' values/advice were spot on more often than not.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 29, 2020 01:44 PM (bDqIh)
There's a scene in Julie and Julia where Amy Adams' magazine editor/boss is supposed to be the bad guy because he's berating her for not producing printable stories. As she storms out of his office he yells "If I were a Republican, you'd already be fired!"
Basically, if your employer expects you to produce, on time and of acceptable quality, then he's a wicked old villain.
Of course, the movie is a total steaming pile of monkey crap, because of Streep's Rich Little with Tits routine, and the cliched obsession with McCarthyism and the Blacklist.
Baldwin made the character cartoonish, but despite this he was endearing, especially in how his 'greedy, mean conservative' values/advice were spot on more often than not.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 29, 2020 01:44 PM (bDqIh)
There's a scene in Julie and Julia where Amy Adams' magazine editor/boss is supposed to be the bad guy because he's berating her for not producing printable stories. As she storms out of his office he yells "If I were a Republican, you'd already be fired!"
Basically, if your employer expects you to produce, on time and of acceptable quality, then he's a wicked old villain.
Of course, the movie is a total steaming pile of monkey crap, because of Streep's Rich Little with Tits routine, and the cliched obsession with McCarthyism and the Blacklist.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 29, 2020 01:54 PM (EGyGV)
399
The FBI is officially investigating fraud in 2020 election.
"Sure, there was fraud, but there was no intent. We recommend voluntary retraining for certain election staff."
/want to bet me?
"Sure, there was fraud, but there was no intent. We recommend voluntary retraining for certain election staff."
/want to bet me?
Posted by: President Elect Shibumi, fighting against the Great Reset at November 29, 2020 01:54 PM (ZCiJZ)
400
I stopped participating in the charade of providing Hollywood with income decades ago.
I used to go see baseball games in Atlanta regularly in the early 90's I stopped giving in to the temptation of dropping an entire weekend and a few hundred bucks to Atlanta too thanks in no small part to the Morehouse Mafia politics.
As far as that fuckwit King and his fellow travelers, lets just say they are formulaic and if you read one you knew what they were going to write in everything else.
I used to go see baseball games in Atlanta regularly in the early 90's I stopped giving in to the temptation of dropping an entire weekend and a few hundred bucks to Atlanta too thanks in no small part to the Morehouse Mafia politics.
As far as that fuckwit King and his fellow travelers, lets just say they are formulaic and if you read one you knew what they were going to write in everything else.
Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at November 29, 2020 01:54 PM (qZdIZ)
401
"Shut up and sing. "
Agreed. To do otherwise has contributed to the Sovietization of US arts.
In the USSR the only purpose of art was to be of service to the State.
Agreed. To do otherwise has contributed to the Sovietization of US arts.
In the USSR the only purpose of art was to be of service to the State.
Posted by: attila the temporarily reasonable at November 29, 2020 01:56 PM (w7KSn)
402
Matt Braynard @MattBraynard
· 5h
Update:
- The @FBI has proactively and directly requested from me the VIP findings that indicates illegal ballots.
- By Tuesday, we will have delivered to the agency all of our data, including names, addresses, phone numbers, etc.
I'm curious about the SC getting involved in this. Does the SC have the authority to request deeper data/info not brought forth to them via normal channels if it has to do with national security and a complete breakdown of our election system?
What does their autonomy allow them to do?
I really am clueless when it comes to the Supreme Court and their reach.
· 5h
Update:
- The @FBI has proactively and directly requested from me the VIP findings that indicates illegal ballots.
- By Tuesday, we will have delivered to the agency all of our data, including names, addresses, phone numbers, etc.
I'm curious about the SC getting involved in this. Does the SC have the authority to request deeper data/info not brought forth to them via normal channels if it has to do with national security and a complete breakdown of our election system?
What does their autonomy allow them to do?
I really am clueless when it comes to the Supreme Court and their reach.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 01:58 PM (sfhL4)
403
399 The FBI is officially investigating fraud in 2020 election.
"Sure, there was fraud, but there was no intent. We recommend voluntary retraining for certain election staff."
/want to bet me?
Posted by: President Elect Shibumi, fighting against the Great Reset at November 29, 2020 01:54 PM (ZCiJZ)
Mistakes were made, so they will need a long IG investigation.
Which will find, mistakes were made.
And no one will be punished.
Biden, the guy who sic'd the DOJ on Gen. Flynn in a White House meeting which led to a FOUR YEAR persecution of the Man, just said he will have an 'independent' DOJ, and the FUCKING PRESS DID NOT CHALLENGE HIM ON IT.
/spit
"Sure, there was fraud, but there was no intent. We recommend voluntary retraining for certain election staff."
/want to bet me?
Posted by: President Elect Shibumi, fighting against the Great Reset at November 29, 2020 01:54 PM (ZCiJZ)
Mistakes were made, so they will need a long IG investigation.
Which will find, mistakes were made.
And no one will be punished.
Biden, the guy who sic'd the DOJ on Gen. Flynn in a White House meeting which led to a FOUR YEAR persecution of the Man, just said he will have an 'independent' DOJ, and the FUCKING PRESS DID NOT CHALLENGE HIM ON IT.
/spit
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 29, 2020 01:58 PM (d9rwJ)
404
Well I can't stand my once beloved NBA team anymore and automatically the league with it.
I dislike the team members and the leaders of the organization as people so the enterprise is dead to me.
It isn't a moral stand for me, but visceral. They disgust me so I've moved on.
On the other hand Glock is made by German industry and I stay away from Germany industry up until the point that they provide the best fit for my needs. (This is just a though experiment because I live in a blue state constitutional hell hole)
I dislike the team members and the leaders of the organization as people so the enterprise is dead to me.
It isn't a moral stand for me, but visceral. They disgust me so I've moved on.
On the other hand Glock is made by German industry and I stay away from Germany industry up until the point that they provide the best fit for my needs. (This is just a though experiment because I live in a blue state constitutional hell hole)
Posted by: havelhavolim at November 29, 2020 01:58 PM (fLpTX)
405
"314
John Brown was a terrorist, pure and simple. The fact that I sympathize
with the goal he had in his last terrorist act at Harpers doesn't change
that. His revenge murder of Southern sympathizers at Ossowatomie in
Kansas was inexcusable even in that supercharged atmosphere.
Brown's raid killed people - in fact the first one it killed was a
black man if i recall right - and if it had been more successful would
have killed more of the ones it purported to save.
I'm a pro-North guy through and through, so I have no truck with the
developing treason of secession for slavery the South was going toward,
but I have no room for John Brown on my side.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 29, 2020 01:28 PM (EJbIh)"
The thing that muddies that waters with regards to Brown is that as hard as it is to try and justify certain things, the topic of slavery itself is pretty much guaranteed to drop a turd in the ethical punchbowl.
Personal opinion: general, inherited chattel slavery is fully on par with genocide and literally *nothing* is off the table. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Now I'm not saying that what he did was justified - but if not, the problem lies not with what he did, but who he did it to.
John Brown was a terrorist, pure and simple. The fact that I sympathize
with the goal he had in his last terrorist act at Harpers doesn't change
that. His revenge murder of Southern sympathizers at Ossowatomie in
Kansas was inexcusable even in that supercharged atmosphere.
Brown's raid killed people - in fact the first one it killed was a
black man if i recall right - and if it had been more successful would
have killed more of the ones it purported to save.
I'm a pro-North guy through and through, so I have no truck with the
developing treason of secession for slavery the South was going toward,
but I have no room for John Brown on my side.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 29, 2020 01:28 PM (EJbIh)"
The thing that muddies that waters with regards to Brown is that as hard as it is to try and justify certain things, the topic of slavery itself is pretty much guaranteed to drop a turd in the ethical punchbowl.
Personal opinion: general, inherited chattel slavery is fully on par with genocide and literally *nothing* is off the table. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Now I'm not saying that what he did was justified - but if not, the problem lies not with what he did, but who he did it to.
Posted by: there are only three star wars films at November 29, 2020 01:58 PM (EEVQU)
406
I used to like Springsteen and Neil Young and Elvis Costello.
They are all assholes to one degree or another, but as far as i know, none of them are pedos or Satanists so it's really not that big a deal.
They are all assholes to one degree or another, but as far as i know, none of them are pedos or Satanists so it's really not that big a deal.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 29, 2020 01:58 PM (HrMC1)
407
Steven King got to be a typist with logorrhea. I am sure that his millions of readers disagree.
True story; I'm standing in line at 7am Sears Auto to get my car in the shop for repair. Lady behind me asks if I am Steven King (a passing resemblance). I say, Sorry, ma'am, no
But I think: "so she thinks this multimillionaire would be a schlub standing in line here?" Some of King's readers are dummies.
True story; I'm standing in line at 7am Sears Auto to get my car in the shop for repair. Lady behind me asks if I am Steven King (a passing resemblance). I say, Sorry, ma'am, no
But I think: "so she thinks this multimillionaire would be a schlub standing in line here?" Some of King's readers are dummies.
Posted by: JM in Florida at November 29, 2020 01:59 PM (HCeRP)
408
I'm watching, Behind The Green Door, The Purge # 11.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at November 29, 2020 01:59 PM (yTRuK)
409
"
On the other hand Glock is made by German
industry and I stay away from Germany industry up until the point that
they provide the best fit for my needs. (This is just a though
experiment because I live in a blue state constitutional hell hole)
Posted by: havelhavolim at November 29, 2020 01:58 PM (fLpTX)"
We lumping Austria in with Germany now?
On the other hand Glock is made by German
industry and I stay away from Germany industry up until the point that
they provide the best fit for my needs. (This is just a though
experiment because I live in a blue state constitutional hell hole)
Posted by: havelhavolim at November 29, 2020 01:58 PM (fLpTX)"
We lumping Austria in with Germany now?
Posted by: there are only three star wars films at November 29, 2020 01:59 PM (EEVQU)
410
>>What I still don't understand is why artists think we give a crap about their political views in the first place.
Shut up and sing.
- - - -
Part of the problem nowadays, and probably for the past 10+ years, is that artists are constantly, relentlessly asked to comment on politics by the entertainment media, which is just as politicized as the rest of the MSM (if not more). They are expected to spout the latest woke values on the red carpet, in fashion or celebrity magazine interviews, while out plugging their latest work. If they say something neutral, they are demonized, attacked by other celebrities and then quickly "clarify" with the proper talking point. It's even worse if they refuse to comment, such as Taylor Swift being hounded and denounced by the entertainment media and gossip blogs for years for refusing to support candidates or comment on the latest Lefty issue (pssst! she's secretly a Nazi!).
Shut up and sing.
- - - -
Part of the problem nowadays, and probably for the past 10+ years, is that artists are constantly, relentlessly asked to comment on politics by the entertainment media, which is just as politicized as the rest of the MSM (if not more). They are expected to spout the latest woke values on the red carpet, in fashion or celebrity magazine interviews, while out plugging their latest work. If they say something neutral, they are demonized, attacked by other celebrities and then quickly "clarify" with the proper talking point. It's even worse if they refuse to comment, such as Taylor Swift being hounded and denounced by the entertainment media and gossip blogs for years for refusing to support candidates or comment on the latest Lefty issue (pssst! she's secretly a Nazi!).
Posted by: Lizzy at November 29, 2020 01:59 PM (bDqIh)
411
What's going on in GA, and what is not going on in GA is very depressing. WTF is going on?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 29, 2020 02:01 PM (85Gof)
412
/want to bet me?
Posted by: President Elect Shibumi, fighting against the Great Reset at November 29, 2020 01:54 PM (ZCiJZ)
Shibumi -- is all well on the Covid-19 front?
Posted by: President Elect Shibumi, fighting against the Great Reset at November 29, 2020 01:54 PM (ZCiJZ)
Shibumi -- is all well on the Covid-19 front?
Posted by: JM in Florida at November 29, 2020 02:01 PM (HCeRP)
413
I can't watch anything Brian Singer Directed, Usual Suspects is a great movie but made by a Monster,
Bohemian Rhapsody even thou he was fired he directed most of the film and he even gets an Oscar and he get money from the film.
Kevin Spacey great actor also a monster can't watch his film's anymore, Swimming with Sharks is a Fantastic movie
Bohemian Rhapsody even thou he was fired he directed most of the film and he even gets an Oscar and he get money from the film.
Kevin Spacey great actor also a monster can't watch his film's anymore, Swimming with Sharks is a Fantastic movie
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 29, 2020 02:01 PM (dKiJG)
414
On the other hand Glock is made by German industry and I stay away from Germany industry
Posted by: havelhavolim at November 29, 2020 01:58 PM (fLpTX)
Austria (some in US).
Posted by: havelhavolim at November 29, 2020 01:58 PM (fLpTX)
Austria (some in US).
Posted by: hogmartin at November 29, 2020 02:01 PM (t+qrx)
415
True story; I'm standing in line at 7am Sears Auto to get my car in the shop for repair. Lady behind me asks if I am Steven King (a passing resemblance). I say, Sorry, ma'am, no
But I think: "so she thinks this multimillionaire would be a schlub standing in line here?" Some of King's readers are dummies.
Posted by: JM in Florida at November 29, 2020 01:59 PM (HCeRP)
Is your car a '58 Plymouth Fury?
But I think: "so she thinks this multimillionaire would be a schlub standing in line here?" Some of King's readers are dummies.
Posted by: JM in Florida at November 29, 2020 01:59 PM (HCeRP)
Is your car a '58 Plymouth Fury?
Posted by: JoeF. at November 29, 2020 02:01 PM (HrMC1)
416
I watched some of that Queen Gambit show. It was cool to hear a Georgie Fame song in one of the episodes
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at November 29, 2020 02:01 PM (x4PmO)
417
Lot of Grateful Dead fans on the Right. That's definitely separating out philosophy from the art.
Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 02:02 PM (2DOZq)
418
Hola. Finished scrubbing the bathroom and now I have a bleach-induced headache. Nothing good comes from cleaning!
Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 02:02 PM (nakwk)
419
The thing that muddies that waters with regards to Brown is that as hard as it is to try and justify certain things, the topic of slavery itself is pretty much guaranteed to drop a turd in the ethical punchbowl.
Personal opinion: general, inherited chattel slavery is fully on par with genocide and literally *nothing* is off the table. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Now I'm not saying that what he did was justified - but if not, the problem lies not with what he did, but who he did it to.
Posted by: there are only three star wars films at November 29, 2020 01:58 PM (EEVQU)
If we were to outline it in clearer terms.
Is it acceptable for a slave to kill his "master" for his freedom? If yes, then by the transitive property inherent in 'defense of another' when it comes to use of lethal force, would a third party not then be justified?
The remaining question of collateral damage would fall under just war theory.
The thing that muddies that waters with regards to Brown is that as hard as it is to try and justify certain things, the topic of slavery itself is pretty much guaranteed to drop a turd in the ethical punchbowl.
Personal opinion: general, inherited chattel slavery is fully on par with genocide and literally *nothing* is off the table. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Now I'm not saying that what he did was justified - but if not, the problem lies not with what he did, but who he did it to.
Posted by: there are only three star wars films at November 29, 2020 01:58 PM (EEVQU)
If we were to outline it in clearer terms.
Is it acceptable for a slave to kill his "master" for his freedom? If yes, then by the transitive property inherent in 'defense of another' when it comes to use of lethal force, would a third party not then be justified?
The remaining question of collateral damage would fall under just war theory.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 29, 2020 02:02 PM (Zm+LZ)
420
124 interesting,eh?
https://tinyurl.com/yyhwcffs
BREAKING NEWS.
The FBI has now contacted
@PhillDKline
. Earlier this morning I had said they were also talking to
@MattBraynard
.
The FBI is officially investigating fraud in 2020 election.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 12:41 PM (vPzhp)
"Yea puts the kibosh in the whole no evidence of voter fraud narrative," says Charile.
"You see! The FBI looked investigated and found nothing amiss!", says Lucy.
Lucy: Wanna kick a football?
https://tinyurl.com/yyhwcffs
BREAKING NEWS.
The FBI has now contacted
@PhillDKline
. Earlier this morning I had said they were also talking to
@MattBraynard
.
The FBI is officially investigating fraud in 2020 election.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 12:41 PM (vPzhp)
"Yea puts the kibosh in the whole no evidence of voter fraud narrative," says Charile.
"You see! The FBI looked investigated and found nothing amiss!", says Lucy.
Lucy: Wanna kick a football?
Posted by: havelhavolim at November 29, 2020 02:02 PM (fLpTX)
421
What's going on in GA, and what is not going on in GA is very depressing. WTF is going on?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 29, 2020 02:01 PM (85Gof)
Fear of Stacy Abrams
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 29, 2020 02:01 PM (85Gof)
Fear of Stacy Abrams
Posted by: JoeF. at November 29, 2020 02:02 PM (HrMC1)
422
?
Jay Sekulow
@JaySekulow
·
1h
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Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 02:02 PM (sfhL4)
423
The creative mind isn't necessarily the rational mind, so what the artists lean to in their politics may or may not be rational, at all.
Posted by: tcn in AK at November 29, 2020 01:49 PM (qQnCr)
At various times in my life, I've been around the local music scene in different places, and it's been my observation that a large number of musicians are immature flakes who only indulge in music in order to chase their party-hearty high school years. So yeah, not exactly rational.
That's probably not fair to some musicians who are actually serious about their work, but there's enough of the jackasses around that it taints them all in my mind.
The creative mind isn't necessarily the rational mind, so what the artists lean to in their politics may or may not be rational, at all.
Posted by: tcn in AK at November 29, 2020 01:49 PM (qQnCr)
At various times in my life, I've been around the local music scene in different places, and it's been my observation that a large number of musicians are immature flakes who only indulge in music in order to chase their party-hearty high school years. So yeah, not exactly rational.
That's probably not fair to some musicians who are actually serious about their work, but there's enough of the jackasses around that it taints them all in my mind.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 29, 2020 02:02 PM (EGyGV)
424
True story; I'm standing in line at 7am Sears Auto to get my car in the shop for repair. Lady behind me asks if I am Steven King (a passing resemblance). I say, Sorry, ma'am, no
No one every asked me if I was famous, but I have been asked am I "really an asshole" and yes, yes I am
No one every asked me if I was famous, but I have been asked am I "really an asshole" and yes, yes I am
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 29, 2020 02:02 PM (85Gof)
425
Europe and South American are all experiencing this "training". Foreign twitter is interesting to follow as well.
https://twitter.com/TKrambambuli/ status/1332058640317026313
German radio tells its listeners: US Army is starting extensive helicopter landing training that will last the whole month of december, mainly at night, precise locations tba, ppl shall stay at home.
News report related with more specific information about locations below. Stay calm. US training not too unusual in Bavaria. Rest is speculation. Although sometimes "training"... Think for yourself.
https://twitter.com/TKrambambuli/ status/1332058640317026313
German radio tells its listeners: US Army is starting extensive helicopter landing training that will last the whole month of december, mainly at night, precise locations tba, ppl shall stay at home.
News report related with more specific information about locations below. Stay calm. US training not too unusual in Bavaria. Rest is speculation. Although sometimes "training"... Think for yourself.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 02:03 PM (vPzhp)
426
368 Yes, The Wall is just Roger Water long, overly dramatic explanation of why he is such an obnoxious asshole....he even blamed his poor mother....smdh.....but that is the same album that gave us Comfortably Numb....that song is damn near perfect!
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:54 PM (1Bpwm)
My absolute favorite version of Comfortably Numb has Van Morrison singing the chorus.
He takes that song up a notch with his vocals.
Posted by: Darrell Harris
Look up the live version of PF and David Bowie singing it. It's amazing.
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:54 PM (1Bpwm)
My absolute favorite version of Comfortably Numb has Van Morrison singing the chorus.
He takes that song up a notch with his vocals.
Posted by: Darrell Harris
Look up the live version of PF and David Bowie singing it. It's amazing.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 29, 2020 02:03 PM (SXvwb)
427
I can not remember about whom this was said, but I think it applies to this interesting conversation: "As an artist, you couldn't touch him with a ten-foot pole; as a person, you wouldn't want to."
Posted by: Linda Roberts at November 29, 2020 02:03 PM (sp7nf)
428
409 "
On the other hand Glock is made by German
industry and I stay away from Germany industry up until the point that
they provide the best fit for my needs. (This is just a though
experiment because I live in a blue state constitutional hell hole)
Posted by: havelhavolim at November 29, 2020 01:58 PM (fLpTX)"
We lumping Austria in with Germany now?
Posted by: there are only three star wars films at November 29, 2020 01:59 PM (EEVQU)
Correction, noted. I'm not fond of Austrian industry, either.
On the other hand Glock is made by German
industry and I stay away from Germany industry up until the point that
they provide the best fit for my needs. (This is just a though
experiment because I live in a blue state constitutional hell hole)
Posted by: havelhavolim at November 29, 2020 01:58 PM (fLpTX)"
We lumping Austria in with Germany now?
Posted by: there are only three star wars films at November 29, 2020 01:59 PM (EEVQU)
Correction, noted. I'm not fond of Austrian industry, either.
Posted by: havelhavolim at November 29, 2020 02:03 PM (fLpTX)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 02:03 PM (sfhL4)
430
Lot of Grateful Dead fans on the Right. That's definitely separating out philosophy from the art.
Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 02:02 PM (2DOZq)
I'm not a Dead fan myself, but I get this.
It's all about "personal freedom, man"
The Right and the Left used to agree on that.
Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 02:02 PM (2DOZq)
I'm not a Dead fan myself, but I get this.
It's all about "personal freedom, man"
The Right and the Left used to agree on that.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 29, 2020 02:04 PM (HrMC1)
431
No one every asked me if I was famous, but I have been asked am I "really an asshole" and yes, yes I am
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 29, 2020 02:02 PM (85Gof)
Were you born one, or did you work at it your hole life?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 29, 2020 02:02 PM (85Gof)
Were you born one, or did you work at it your hole life?
Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 02:04 PM (nakwk)
432
memba the NORAD "training" taking place on 9/11 and they were confused if the atacks were part of the "training"?
I memba
I memba
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 02:04 PM (vPzhp)
433
I still have a Make Amerïca Grateful Again shirt I bought on Shakedown at a Dead and Co show
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at November 29, 2020 02:04 PM (x4PmO)
434
@427...Sounds like something Groucho Marx would say.
Posted by: Old Dude at November 29, 2020 02:04 PM (LGXGf)
435
Is your car a '58 Plymouth Fury?
Posted by: JoeF. at November 29, 2020 02:01 PM (HrMC1)
LOL. I did have a blue '68 Plymouth sedan; looked like a police car.
I tried reading Christine; got a third of the way through and skipped to the end. Done
Posted by: JoeF. at November 29, 2020 02:01 PM (HrMC1)
LOL. I did have a blue '68 Plymouth sedan; looked like a police car.
I tried reading Christine; got a third of the way through and skipped to the end. Done
Posted by: JM in Florida at November 29, 2020 02:04 PM (HCeRP)
Posted by: Peter Buttplug at November 29, 2020 02:05 PM (uuu9e)
437
"Sure, there was fraud, but there was no intent. We recommend voluntary retraining for certain election staff."
/want to bet me?
Posted by: President Elect Shibumi, fighting against the Great Reset at November 29, 2020 01:54 PM (ZCiJZ)
This sounds right, and no "reasonable prosecutor" would take the case against these well intentioned, but slightly overzealous patriots to court or harm their futures!
An FBI investigation is the very last thing we need, except maybe Barr appointing another Durham to smother the evidence to death like it was Scalia
/want to bet me?
Posted by: President Elect Shibumi, fighting against the Great Reset at November 29, 2020 01:54 PM (ZCiJZ)
This sounds right, and no "reasonable prosecutor" would take the case against these well intentioned, but slightly overzealous patriots to court or harm their futures!
An FBI investigation is the very last thing we need, except maybe Barr appointing another Durham to smother the evidence to death like it was Scalia
Posted by: NYC and Philly at November 29, 2020 02:05 PM (ONvIw)
438
I tried reading Christine; got a third of the way through and skipped to the end. Done
Posted by: JM in Florida at November 29, 2020 02:04 PM (HCeRP)
Enjoyed the movie, bought the book and tossed it before page 50
I tried reading Christine; got a third of the way through and skipped to the end. Done
Posted by: JM in Florida at November 29, 2020 02:04 PM (HCeRP)
Enjoyed the movie, bought the book and tossed it before page 50
Posted by: JoeF. at November 29, 2020 02:05 PM (HrMC1)
439
I'm curious about the SC getting involved in this. Does the SC have the authority to request deeper data/info not brought forth to them via normal channels if it has to do with national security and a complete breakdown of our election system?
What does their autonomy allow them to do?
I really am clueless when it comes to the Supreme Court and their reach.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 01:58 PM (sfhL4)
The Supreme Court isn't given the ability to rule on the legality of laws in the Constitution, they just took that role up for themselves and no one challenged it.
The Supreme Court's reach is what they decide it is as far as ruling on cases (and then what the other branches decide to let them do by not challenging it).
Don't know if that will help you sleep better at night or not.
What does their autonomy allow them to do?
I really am clueless when it comes to the Supreme Court and their reach.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2020 01:58 PM (sfhL4)
The Supreme Court isn't given the ability to rule on the legality of laws in the Constitution, they just took that role up for themselves and no one challenged it.
The Supreme Court's reach is what they decide it is as far as ruling on cases (and then what the other branches decide to let them do by not challenging it).
Don't know if that will help you sleep better at night or not.
Posted by: Bete at November 29, 2020 02:06 PM (Ojki1)
440
What's going on in GA, and what is not going on in GA is very depressing. WTF is going on?
Posted by: Nevergiveup
I don't understand why the Presidential part of the election is in question but the Senate seats aren't?
Posted by: Nevergiveup
I don't understand why the Presidential part of the election is in question but the Senate seats aren't?
Posted by: Infidel at November 29, 2020 02:06 PM (QoPXA)
441
I'm still out here, Stephen.
Posted by: Ford Econoline at November 29, 2020 02:06 PM (+9XkZ)
442
Shibumi -- is all well on the Covid-19 front?
Posted by: JM in Florida at November 29, 2020
Yep. Bozo Conservative went back to work last week, and we're both doing fine. NO symptoms. Thank you for asking.
At some point in the near future, I am going to get tested for antibodies; the Red Cross does it. I just have to figure out if it's safer to go off site or have it done at the hospital.
Also... I would like to remind everyone-- there are treatments now that do work. Plus... I did some further research, and those with A and AB blood types are most susceptible to COVID. O has the most resistance.
Posted by: JM in Florida at November 29, 2020
Yep. Bozo Conservative went back to work last week, and we're both doing fine. NO symptoms. Thank you for asking.
At some point in the near future, I am going to get tested for antibodies; the Red Cross does it. I just have to figure out if it's safer to go off site or have it done at the hospital.
Also... I would like to remind everyone-- there are treatments now that do work. Plus... I did some further research, and those with A and AB blood types are most susceptible to COVID. O has the most resistance.
Posted by: President Elect Shibumi, fighting against the Great Reset at November 29, 2020 02:06 PM (ZCiJZ)
443
Fear of Stacy Abrams
Posted by: JoeF. at November 29, 2020 02:02 PM (HrMC1)
What does that orca know about Kemp?
Posted by: JoeF. at November 29, 2020 02:02 PM (HrMC1)
What does that orca know about Kemp?
Posted by: NYC and Philly at November 29, 2020 02:06 PM (ONvIw)
444
One of the later Hunter/Garcia songs was Liberty.
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at November 29, 2020 02:07 PM (x4PmO)
445
Were you born one, or did you work at it your hole life?
Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 02:04 PM (nakwk)
Oh I worked hard at it.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 02:04 PM (nakwk)
Oh I worked hard at it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 29, 2020 02:07 PM (85Gof)
Posted by: The MFM at November 29, 2020 02:07 PM (ZfRYq)
447
Today, they are deliberately avoiding looking into the fraud, even as they wave it off as a desperate conspiracy theory.
This is a total dereliction of a free press.
In the off chance that SCOTUS sets things right and Trump prevails, it's going to come as such a shock to so many people that their will be a massive upheaval.
The deaths and destruction will be on the MEDIA.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 29, 2020 01:53 PM (HrMC1)
The best part is the media is conveniently forgetting their own headlines from as recently as 2018. They're forgetting all the times they interviewed members of house and senate voicing concerns. Interviews with election officials. Endless articles on the machines and questionable lobbying efforts. And of course, Muh Russia has vanished in a matter of weeks.
It's funny I never see any of that on twatter, when it was everywhere by the parrots barely a month ago.
Either these people really are that stupid, or that intellectually dishonest. If the same sort of discrepancies had gone for Trump, I'd be just as concerned (but they never do, so that was never a worry). We're trying to protect these clowns as well. It's not like just one side goes down moving forward. They sure rolled over for Bernie though, didn't they? But, they'd better get used to that sort of thing if we don't hold the line right here.
This is a total dereliction of a free press.
In the off chance that SCOTUS sets things right and Trump prevails, it's going to come as such a shock to so many people that their will be a massive upheaval.
The deaths and destruction will be on the MEDIA.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 29, 2020 01:53 PM (HrMC1)
The best part is the media is conveniently forgetting their own headlines from as recently as 2018. They're forgetting all the times they interviewed members of house and senate voicing concerns. Interviews with election officials. Endless articles on the machines and questionable lobbying efforts. And of course, Muh Russia has vanished in a matter of weeks.
It's funny I never see any of that on twatter, when it was everywhere by the parrots barely a month ago.
Either these people really are that stupid, or that intellectually dishonest. If the same sort of discrepancies had gone for Trump, I'd be just as concerned (but they never do, so that was never a worry). We're trying to protect these clowns as well. It's not like just one side goes down moving forward. They sure rolled over for Bernie though, didn't they? But, they'd better get used to that sort of thing if we don't hold the line right here.
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 29, 2020 02:07 PM (8B6Ng)
Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2020 02:07 PM (wxP4W)
449
The FBI is officially investigating fraud in 2020 election.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 12:41 PM (vPzhp)
All other investigations must stop until the FBI completes its investigation in 2025
The FBI is officially investigating fraud in 2020 election.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 12:41 PM (vPzhp)
All other investigations must stop until the FBI completes its investigation in 2025
Posted by: JM in Florida at November 29, 2020 02:07 PM (HCeRP)
Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 02:07 PM (nakwk)
451
on the thread topic, I agree with WTP and YD
geniuses are often aholes
I appreciate actual geniys
but it helps if they're long dead
geniuses are often aholes
I appreciate actual geniys
but it helps if they're long dead
Posted by: vmom Trump Won! at November 29, 2020 02:08 PM (nUhF0)
452
440 What's going on in GA, and what is not going on in GA is very depressing. WTF is going on?
Posted by: Nevergiveup
I don't understand why the Presidential part of the election is in question but the Senate seats aren't?
Posted by: Infidel at November 29, 2020 02:06 PM (QoPXA)
The Senate election process for Georgia is such that a person needs 50%+ or there is a run-off. Only person close enough for that to have been the case is Perdue. The other race had vote-splitting virtually guarantee no 50%.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
I don't understand why the Presidential part of the election is in question but the Senate seats aren't?
Posted by: Infidel at November 29, 2020 02:06 PM (QoPXA)
The Senate election process for Georgia is such that a person needs 50%+ or there is a run-off. Only person close enough for that to have been the case is Perdue. The other race had vote-splitting virtually guarantee no 50%.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 29, 2020 02:08 PM (Zm+LZ)
453
Oh I worked hard at it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 29, 2020 02:07 PM (85Gof)>>>
In my case it has become a labor of love.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 29, 2020 02:07 PM (85Gof)>>>
In my case it has become a labor of love.
Posted by: Old Dude at November 29, 2020 02:09 PM (LGXGf)
454
I am very upset, so upset I need to call into my teevee frens and discuss massive dumps. Just yuge massive dumps. Big diaperfuls.
Posted by: Your Big Wet President at November 29, 2020 02:09 PM (P4sqS)
455
453 Oh I worked hard at it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 29, 2020 02:07 PM (85Gof)>>>
In my case it has become a labor of love.
Posted by: Old Dude at November 29, 2020 02:09 PM (LGXGf)
Follow your passion.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 29, 2020 02:07 PM (85Gof)>>>
In my case it has become a labor of love.
Posted by: Old Dude at November 29, 2020 02:09 PM (LGXGf)
Follow your passion.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 29, 2020 02:09 PM (nakwk)
456
I can enjoy the talents that God has granted a man without accepting the man himself.
Posted by: WhereTheresAWill at November 29, 2020 12:19 PM (i7g4L)
Alas, I am not nearly so "open minded". I try not to support people that hate me. And since you brought up the topic of German cars, I confess that I waited until after my father died (grandma had 5 stars in her window during WWII) before purchasing a VW. He would have read me the riot act while he was still alive.
The more interesting question (at least to me), is why does God grant these reprobate orcs the talents that they possess? I can't say for certain, but I suspect that it may have something to do with the fact that these narcissists are perpetually whining about how "life is not fair."
Posted by: WhereTheresAWill at November 29, 2020 12:19 PM (i7g4L)
Alas, I am not nearly so "open minded". I try not to support people that hate me. And since you brought up the topic of German cars, I confess that I waited until after my father died (grandma had 5 stars in her window during WWII) before purchasing a VW. He would have read me the riot act while he was still alive.
The more interesting question (at least to me), is why does God grant these reprobate orcs the talents that they possess? I can't say for certain, but I suspect that it may have something to do with the fact that these narcissists are perpetually whining about how "life is not fair."
Posted by: CyberCipher #BoomerLivesMatter at November 29, 2020 02:09 PM (++/pX)
457
There's always been a deep and abiding hatred of Jews in the British Upper Classes.
Tom Servo
---
Maybe they were just reciprocating.
There's always been a deep and abiding hatred of Jews in the British Upper Classes.
Tom Servo
---
Maybe they were just reciprocating.
Posted by: Alan at November 29, 2020 02:09 PM (abHAZ)
458
There are some artists I enjoy despite their personalities. Roger Waters is good in concert, though I have to hold my nose during the leftist garbage. Love Wagner's music, though he was consumed by anti-Semitism.
Posted by: waelse1 at November 29, 2020 02:10 PM (pYkrI)
459
I see we've our daily Biden update from a troll.
I wish these guys would learn we're not interested in daily updates on the incontinence of Joe.
I wish these guys would learn we're not interested in daily updates on the incontinence of Joe.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at November 29, 2020 02:10 PM (WEBkv)
460
A mentally ill troll just dropped in.
Posted by: N.L. Urker at November 29, 2020 02:10 PM (lgiXo)
461
Is your car a '58 Plymouth Fury?
Posted by: JoeF. at November 29, 2020 02:01 PM (HrMC1)
LOL. I did have a blue '68 Plymouth sedan; looked like a police car.
I tried reading Christine; got a third of the way through and skipped to the end. Done
Posted by: JM in Florida at November 29, 2020 02:04 PM (HCeRP)
Every Stephen King Book Ever Written:
Set in Maine
Includes sordid child sex scene
Christians are evil
US Military = Nazis
The ultimate villain is an Evil Space Alien
There. I just saved you $12.99 for the paperback.
Is your car a '58 Plymouth Fury?
Posted by: JoeF. at November 29, 2020 02:01 PM (HrMC1)
LOL. I did have a blue '68 Plymouth sedan; looked like a police car.
I tried reading Christine; got a third of the way through and skipped to the end. Done
Posted by: JM in Florida at November 29, 2020 02:04 PM (HCeRP)
Every Stephen King Book Ever Written:
Set in Maine
Includes sordid child sex scene
Christians are evil
US Military = Nazis
The ultimate villain is an Evil Space Alien
There. I just saved you $12.99 for the paperback.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 29, 2020 02:10 PM (EGyGV)
462
Fear of Stacy Abrams
Posted by: JoeF. at November 29, 2020 02:02 PM (HrMC1)
What does that orca know about Kemp?
Posted by: NYC and Philly at November 29, 2020 02:06 PM (ONvIw)
It might be .....nothing.
He just might fear --okay, I'll say it---black people and doesn't want to rile them up.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 29, 2020 02:02 PM (HrMC1)
What does that orca know about Kemp?
Posted by: NYC and Philly at November 29, 2020 02:06 PM (ONvIw)
It might be .....nothing.
He just might fear --okay, I'll say it---black people and doesn't want to rile them up.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 29, 2020 02:10 PM (HrMC1)
463
An FBI investigation is the very last thing we need, except maybe Barr appointing another Durham to smother the evidence to death like it was Scalia
Posted by: NYC and Philly at November 29, 2020 02:05 PM (ONvIw)
Well said!! And, sadly, true
An FBI investigation is the very last thing we need, except maybe Barr appointing another Durham to smother the evidence to death like it was Scalia
Posted by: NYC and Philly at November 29, 2020 02:05 PM (ONvIw)
Well said!! And, sadly, true
Posted by: JM in Florida at November 29, 2020 02:10 PM (HCeRP)
464
BIGLY Thread! China forged ballots multiple states!
https://twitter.com/weiyuksj1/
status/1333075738975629312
Templates of Charlotte County, FL / Beaufort County, NC from printing house in China (PICS!) cont.. scroll up and down
@gatewaypundit
@scrowder
@JennaEllisEsq
@benshapiro
@realDonaldTrump
@SecPompeo
@michaeljknowles
@SteveDeaceShow
@glennbeck
@RudyGiuliani
@SidneyPowell1
https://twitter.com/weiyuksj1/
status/1333075738975629312
Templates of Charlotte County, FL / Beaufort County, NC from printing house in China (PICS!) cont.. scroll up and down
@gatewaypundit
@scrowder
@JennaEllisEsq
@benshapiro
@realDonaldTrump
@SecPompeo
@michaeljknowles
@SteveDeaceShow
@glennbeck
@RudyGiuliani
@SidneyPowell1
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 02:11 PM (vPzhp)
465
448, haha. It was not played much
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at November 29, 2020 02:11 PM (x4PmO)
466
Another aspect of separating the man from the work is the effects of time on the individual's evolution of thought.
e.g. Compare Thomas Paine's "Common Sense" to the later "Rights of Man". He went off the rails during the French Revolution.
e.g. Compare Thomas Paine's "Common Sense" to the later "Rights of Man". He went off the rails during the French Revolution.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 29, 2020 02:11 PM (m45I2)
467
@Berserker-Dragonheads Division;
Leftism in Metal? Say it aint' so!
The closest thing I can think of is Entombed's "Left Hand Path" album and it sure isn't left wing politically speaking.
Whenever I'm a little down I crank up Entombed - City of Ghosts. It fixes everything \m/.
Leftism in Metal? Say it aint' so!
The closest thing I can think of is Entombed's "Left Hand Path" album and it sure isn't left wing politically speaking.
Whenever I'm a little down I crank up Entombed - City of Ghosts. It fixes everything \m/.
Posted by: Inevitability at November 29, 2020 02:12 PM (QBfv4)
468
He just might fear --okay, I'll say it---black people and doesn't want to rile them up.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 29, 2020 02:10 PM (HrMC1)
No, he could find a black person that wasn't his opponent to fawn over and make the same point. Sorry
Posted by: JoeF. at November 29, 2020 02:10 PM (HrMC1)
No, he could find a black person that wasn't his opponent to fawn over and make the same point. Sorry
Posted by: NYC and Philly at November 29, 2020 02:12 PM (ONvIw)
469
I don't understand why the Presidential part of the election is in question but the Senate seats aren't?
Posted by: Infidel at November 29, 2020 02:06 PM (QoPXA)
The Senate election process for Georgia is such that a person needs 50%+ or there is a run-off. Only person close enough for that to have been the case is Perdue. The other race had vote-splitting virtually guarantee no 50%.
Posted by: Warlord S
So, there election fraud for President but not for Senators on the same ballots? Do they use separate ballots for each office?
Posted by: Infidel at November 29, 2020 02:06 PM (QoPXA)
The Senate election process for Georgia is such that a person needs 50%+ or there is a run-off. Only person close enough for that to have been the case is Perdue. The other race had vote-splitting virtually guarantee no 50%.
Posted by: Warlord S
So, there election fraud for President but not for Senators on the same ballots? Do they use separate ballots for each office?
Posted by: Infidel at November 29, 2020 02:12 PM (QoPXA)
470
Reading Steve Jobs' biography, he was a terrible person.
Posted by: The MFM at November 29, 2020 02:07 PM (ZfRYq)
Yes, he was. And so were a lot of the guys working directly under him. Their favorite saying was shit rolls downhill. Fuck, I do not miss those days at all.
On a positive note, I got to give Steve a driving lesson once a few years later when I had a black MBz cut me off with a "NEXT" license plate. Asshat.
I'll give him one thing, he drove people to create some pretty amazing shit, lifted or not.
Posted by: The MFM at November 29, 2020 02:07 PM (ZfRYq)
Yes, he was. And so were a lot of the guys working directly under him. Their favorite saying was shit rolls downhill. Fuck, I do not miss those days at all.
On a positive note, I got to give Steve a driving lesson once a few years later when I had a black MBz cut me off with a "NEXT" license plate. Asshat.
I'll give him one thing, he drove people to create some pretty amazing shit, lifted or not.
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 29, 2020 02:13 PM (8B6Ng)
471
And how should we regard the work of Leni Riefenstahl? Should she be put into the category of those supportive of 'The Final Solution' or just regarded as a 'great filmmaker'? This is what Orwell meant by 'Doublethink' ... it is sometimes possible to hold two contradictory thoughts in the mind at the same time, non? (See 'Newspeak Dictionary', Vol. 11) ...
Posted by: Dr_No at November 29, 2020 02:13 PM (mu5GU)
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 29, 2020 02:13 PM (SXvwb)
473
Oh I worked hard at it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 29, 2020 02:07 PM (85Gof)
Really? It seems like it comes naturally to you!
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 29, 2020 02:07 PM (85Gof)
Really? It seems like it comes naturally to you!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 29, 2020 02:13 PM (xT2tT)
474
Huh...
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 29, 2020 02:14 PM (WekKK)
475
Look up the live version of PF and David Bowie singing it. It's amazing.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 29, 2020 02:03 PM (SXvwb)
Bowie does a good version of Arnold Layne with Gilmour and Rick Wright too.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 29, 2020 02:03 PM (SXvwb)
Bowie does a good version of Arnold Layne with Gilmour and Rick Wright too.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 29, 2020 02:14 PM (1XfwQ)
476
An FBI investigation is the very last thing we need, except maybe Barr appointing another Durham to smother the evidence to death like it was Scalia
Posted by: NYC and Philly at November 29, 2020 02:05 PM (ONvIw)
the evidence is already out there in many parties hands and filed in court. The fBI and dOJ would be complicit in treason if they cover this up. So please let them.
Posted by: NYC and Philly at November 29, 2020 02:05 PM (ONvIw)
the evidence is already out there in many parties hands and filed in court. The fBI and dOJ would be complicit in treason if they cover this up. So please let them.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 02:14 PM (vPzhp)
477
All I know is if I had to cut every artist out of my life with opposing politics, three-quarters of my bookshelf would disappear.
Posted by: MW at November 29, 2020 02:14 PM (gWtVa)
478
469 I don't understand why the Presidential part of the election is in question but the Senate seats aren't?
Posted by: Infidel at November 29, 2020 02:06 PM (QoPXA)
The Senate election process for Georgia is such that a person needs 50%+ or there is a run-off. Only person close enough for that to have been the case is Perdue. The other race had vote-splitting virtually guarantee no 50%.
Posted by: Warlord S
So, there election fraud for President but not for Senators on the same ballots? Do they use separate ballots for each office?
Posted by: Infidel at November 29, 2020 02:12 PM (QoPXA)
No. Perdue might've been frauded below 50%, everyone else wasn't close. They're all going to a run-off but only Perdue wouldn't need a run-off if the fraud was removed.
Posted by: Infidel at November 29, 2020 02:06 PM (QoPXA)
The Senate election process for Georgia is such that a person needs 50%+ or there is a run-off. Only person close enough for that to have been the case is Perdue. The other race had vote-splitting virtually guarantee no 50%.
Posted by: Warlord S
So, there election fraud for President but not for Senators on the same ballots? Do they use separate ballots for each office?
Posted by: Infidel at November 29, 2020 02:12 PM (QoPXA)
No. Perdue might've been frauded below 50%, everyone else wasn't close. They're all going to a run-off but only Perdue wouldn't need a run-off if the fraud was removed.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 29, 2020 02:14 PM (Zm+LZ)
479
I often feel torn over Roger Waters. I love Pink Floyd, some of their music I consider down right genius, particularly Dark Side of the Moon, however....that being said.....sweet Jesus is Roger Waters a loathsome, sanctimonious, relentless prick!
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:13 PM (1Bpwm)
I loved Pink Floyd and even Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking, bu I've been off Floyd and Waters fir a long time. I realized the music just makes me depressed and Waters is a complete asshole. So I'm done with that.
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:13 PM (1Bpwm)
I loved Pink Floyd and even Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking, bu I've been off Floyd and Waters fir a long time. I realized the music just makes me depressed and Waters is a complete asshole. So I'm done with that.
Posted by: InCali at November 29, 2020 02:15 PM (9AFWN)
480
e.g. Compare Thomas Paine's "Common Sense" to the later "Rights of Man". He went off the rails during the French Revolution.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 29, 2020 02:11 PM (m45I2)
Many of the founding fathers mocked and laughed at Paine after the Revolutionary War. Their take was that Paine was a man who knew how to tear things down, but had no idea how to build anything of lasting significance.
Or, at least, I read that somewhere.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 29, 2020 02:11 PM (m45I2)
Many of the founding fathers mocked and laughed at Paine after the Revolutionary War. Their take was that Paine was a man who knew how to tear things down, but had no idea how to build anything of lasting significance.
Or, at least, I read that somewhere.
Posted by: CyberCipher #BoomerLivesMatter at November 29, 2020 02:15 PM (++/pX)
481
The FBI is officially investigating fraud in 2020 election.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 12:41 PM (vPzhp)
All other investigations must stop until the FBI completes its investigation in 2025
Posted by: JM in Florida
FBI completes its investigation in 2025.
Love those spy on spy on FBI jokes.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 12:41 PM (vPzhp)
All other investigations must stop until the FBI completes its investigation in 2025
Posted by: JM in Florida
FBI completes its investigation in 2025.
Love those spy on spy on FBI jokes.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at November 29, 2020 02:15 PM (yTRuK)
482
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 02:11 PM (vPzhp)
A few twitterati have been reporting this morning. It looks like they've discovered multiple bad ballots, one group goes back to that magic watermark theory floated a couple of weeks ago.
This would also lend credence to that video of the Chinese guy ordering up a million ballots from a Chinese factory.
A few twitterati have been reporting this morning. It looks like they've discovered multiple bad ballots, one group goes back to that magic watermark theory floated a couple of weeks ago.
This would also lend credence to that video of the Chinese guy ordering up a million ballots from a Chinese factory.
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 29, 2020 02:15 PM (8B6Ng)
483
I ready maybe two Stephen King novels years ago but I don't remember which ones. All I know is King is kind of on the homely side.
Posted by: N.L. Urker at November 29, 2020 02:15 PM (lgiXo)
484
Late to the thread. Did anyone hate on John Wayne Gacey's clown paintings?
Posted by: BifBewalski AOS Moron at November 29, 2020 02:15 PM (VcFUs)
485
The more interesting question (at least to me), is why does God grant these reprobate orcs the talents that they possess? I can't say for certain, but I suspect that it may have something to do with the fact that these narcissists are perpetually whining about how "life is not fair."
Posted by: CyberCipher #BoomerLivesMatter at November 29, 2020 02:09 PM (++/pX)
God gives talents, but those given more have more expected of them. (Parable of the talents-which was currency back in the day rather than modern definition, but it may fit better). Free will means we have a choice in how we use/abuse them.
It rains on the just and unjust alike.
The more interesting question (at least to me), is why does God grant these reprobate orcs the talents that they possess? I can't say for certain, but I suspect that it may have something to do with the fact that these narcissists are perpetually whining about how "life is not fair."
Posted by: CyberCipher #BoomerLivesMatter at November 29, 2020 02:09 PM (++/pX)
God gives talents, but those given more have more expected of them. (Parable of the talents-which was currency back in the day rather than modern definition, but it may fit better). Free will means we have a choice in how we use/abuse them.
It rains on the just and unjust alike.
Posted by: Bete at November 29, 2020 02:15 PM (Ojki1)
486
Copied from the book thread: 576 >>That is doubtful... Go read Alito's dissent when
Roberts turned away the PA case in late October. The PA SC is going down
and it is going down hard.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner
Until it hits the SC, it stands. Prove me wrong.
After it hits the SC, there's a 50% chance it stands.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 29, 2020 11:53 AM (BJLVZ)
Why are you here?
What is it you set about to accomplish with these sorts of posts/arguments with positive minded people?"Prove me wrong"
Go fuck yourself and leave asshole
Posted by: Getcha Pull at November 29, 2020 12:45 PM (aR6C/)
Do we allow this sort of behavior from "positive minded" people? COBs?
Roberts turned away the PA case in late October. The PA SC is going down
and it is going down hard.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner
Until it hits the SC, it stands. Prove me wrong.
After it hits the SC, there's a 50% chance it stands.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 29, 2020 11:53 AM (BJLVZ)
Why are you here?
What is it you set about to accomplish with these sorts of posts/arguments with positive minded people?"Prove me wrong"
Go fuck yourself and leave asshole
Posted by: Getcha Pull at November 29, 2020 12:45 PM (aR6C/)
Do we allow this sort of behavior from "positive minded" people? COBs?
Posted by: NYC and Philly at November 29, 2020 02:15 PM (ONvIw)
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nood 1st World Probs
Posted by: banana Dream at November 29, 2020 02:16 PM (l6b3d)
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Really? It seems like it comes naturally to you!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 29, 2020 02:13 PM (xT2tT)
Just with I could get paid for my talent? Sigh
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 29, 2020 02:13 PM (xT2tT)
Just with I could get paid for my talent? Sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 29, 2020 02:16 PM (85Gof)
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Bowie does a good version of Arnold Layne with Gilmour and Rick Wright too.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 29, 2020 02:14 PM (1XfwQ)
If I'm not mistaken , that was Bowie's last public appearance on stage singing.
Bowie does a good version of Arnold Layne with Gilmour and Rick Wright too.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 29, 2020 02:14 PM (1XfwQ)
If I'm not mistaken , that was Bowie's last public appearance on stage singing.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 29, 2020 02:16 PM (HrMC1)
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I have no problem separating the art from the artist.
I don't demand that everyone everywhere be Just Like Me.
That's what leftists do. I'm not a leftist.
I don't demand that everyone everywhere be Just Like Me.
That's what leftists do. I'm not a leftist.
Posted by: Food Giant at November 29, 2020 02:17 PM (iaCeZ)
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This would also lend credence to that video of the Chinese guy ordering up a million ballots from a Chinese factory.
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 29, 2020 02:15 PM (8B6Ng)
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Do we know which states those ballots belonged to? I could not tell from the video.
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 29, 2020 02:15 PM (8B6Ng)
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Do we know which states those ballots belonged to? I could not tell from the video.
Posted by: President-Elect Boots at November 29, 2020 02:17 PM (oGBso)
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Good art leaves enough unfinished so the viewer has to finish it himself in his own mind. Tell a bullshit wild story about it and you're a genius.
Posted by: dartist at November 29, 2020 02:17 PM (+ya+t)
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And how should we regard the work of Leni Riefenstahl? Should she be put into the category of those supportive of 'The Final Solution' or just regarded as a 'great filmmaker'? This is what Orwell meant by 'Doublethink' ... it is sometimes possible to hold two contradictory thoughts in the mind at the same time, non? (See 'Newspeak Dictionary', Vol. 11) ...
Posted by: Dr_No at November 29, 2020 02:13 PM (mu5GU)
I read her autobiography years ago. Seriously interesting woman. Total bullshitter on her complicity with the Nazis. She wasn't a very good liar.
And how should we regard the work of Leni Riefenstahl? Should she be put into the category of those supportive of 'The Final Solution' or just regarded as a 'great filmmaker'? This is what Orwell meant by 'Doublethink' ... it is sometimes possible to hold two contradictory thoughts in the mind at the same time, non? (See 'Newspeak Dictionary', Vol. 11) ...
Posted by: Dr_No at November 29, 2020 02:13 PM (mu5GU)
I read her autobiography years ago. Seriously interesting woman. Total bullshitter on her complicity with the Nazis. She wasn't a very good liar.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 29, 2020 02:17 PM (EGyGV)
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Charles Dickens was an asshole too.
Posted by: JAS at November 29, 2020 02:18 PM (D3Oux)
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The FBI is officially investigating fraud in 2020 election.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 12:41 PM (vPzhp)
Mostly likely the Stroker division of the FBI wants to collect all evidence of voter fraud so that they can destroy it.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 12:41 PM (vPzhp)
Mostly likely the Stroker division of the FBI wants to collect all evidence of voter fraud so that they can destroy it.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 29, 2020 02:18 PM (1XfwQ)
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You could take the viewpoint that all Art is a gift from God and the person is just the delivery vehicle.
Posted by: f'd at November 29, 2020 02:18 PM (qLyVB)
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Bobby Knight is conservative as can be but a bigger asshole I can't think of.
Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 02:18 PM (2DOZq)
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I've never liked Robert deNiro. But that's just me.
I hate all The Godfather movies too.
Posted by: katya the designated driver
Do you like spaghetti ?
I hate all The Godfather movies too.
Posted by: katya the designated driver
Do you like spaghetti ?
Posted by: JT at November 29, 2020 02:18 PM (arJlL)
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I'm really not much of an asshole, but I play one on the Internet!
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 29, 2020 02:18 PM (V2Yro)
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I've met NGU. He is a sweetheart.
Posted by: chique l'African Viking Math Queen of Greenland (Happy Thanksgiving to my American allies!) at November 29, 2020 02:18 PM (t65FY)
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I've never liked Robert deNiro. But that's just me.
I hate all The Godfather movies too.
Posted by: katya the designated driver
You and garrett must be soul mates.
I hate all The Godfather movies too.
Posted by: katya the designated driver
You and garrett must be soul mates.
Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 02:19 PM (2DOZq)
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hmmm... acceleration Sunday! FBI is moving fast. maybe there was a revolt within...
https://twitter.com/BenKTallmadge/status/1333122175788740609
New: FBI requests files of people voting 'in multiple states'
https://twitter.com/BenKTallmadge/status/1333122175788740609
New: FBI requests files of people voting 'in multiple states'
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 02:19 PM (vPzhp)
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I think Hemingway did his good work before he became an alcoholic loon in Cuba. I read his stuff happily. I just don't like Wagner and I strongly prefer Italian opera. I can even sorta like Ezra Pound's early work before WWI led him over the edge, and the Cantos suck anyway.
Posted by: NYC and Philly at November 29, 2020 02:19 PM (ONvIw)
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I often feel torn over Roger Waters. I love Pink Floyd, some of their music I consider down right genius, particularly Dark Side of the Moon, however....that being said.....sweet Jesus is Roger Waters a loathsome, sanctimonious, relentless prick!
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:13 PM (1Bpwm)
I loved Pink Floyd and even Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking, bu I've been off Floyd and Waters fir a long time. I realized the music just makes me depressed and Waters is a complete asshole. So I'm done with that.
Posted by: InCali at November 29, 2020 02:15 PM (9AFWN)
I could never bear anything Waters did on his own, and see why they chose the Wall over P&COH. I enjoy any of their output up to and including DSOTM. And I still find Piper hugely enjoyable after all these years. Those guys carried Waters for a long time, and it wasn't until DSOTM he suddenly not only gained confidence from his newfound lyrical abilities, but an enormous ego.
Posted by: Mothermoron at November 29, 2020 12:13 PM (1Bpwm)
I loved Pink Floyd and even Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking, bu I've been off Floyd and Waters fir a long time. I realized the music just makes me depressed and Waters is a complete asshole. So I'm done with that.
Posted by: InCali at November 29, 2020 02:15 PM (9AFWN)
I could never bear anything Waters did on his own, and see why they chose the Wall over P&COH. I enjoy any of their output up to and including DSOTM. And I still find Piper hugely enjoyable after all these years. Those guys carried Waters for a long time, and it wasn't until DSOTM he suddenly not only gained confidence from his newfound lyrical abilities, but an enormous ego.
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 29, 2020 02:20 PM (8B6Ng)
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Mostly likely the Stroker division of the FBI wants to collect all evidence of voter fraud so that they can destroy it.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 29, 2020 02:18 PM (1XfwQ)
That literally impossible at this point. copies times 100x are everywhere on the net and IRL.
Mostly likely the Stroker division of the FBI wants to collect all evidence of voter fraud so that they can destroy it.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 29, 2020 02:18 PM (1XfwQ)
That literally impossible at this point. copies times 100x are everywhere on the net and IRL.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 02:20 PM (vPzhp)
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>>I hate all The Godfather movies too.
Posted by: katya the designated driver
Because you are a woman of class and taste, my dear.
Posted by: katya the designated driver
Because you are a woman of class and taste, my dear.
Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2020 02:20 PM (eZyMQ)
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Bobby Knight is conservative as can be but a bigger asshole I can't think of.
Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 02:18 PM (2DOZq)
Saw him at a store years ago. Some idiot was trying to corner him to do the " I'm yer Biggest Fan" thing, but Knight's wife deftly and pleasantly told the dude that her husband just wanted to shop for furniture. She was very nice and I was impressed.
Posted by: Mr Meeseeks, Look at me at November 29, 2020 02:18 PM (2DOZq)
Saw him at a store years ago. Some idiot was trying to corner him to do the " I'm yer Biggest Fan" thing, but Knight's wife deftly and pleasantly told the dude that her husband just wanted to shop for furniture. She was very nice and I was impressed.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at November 29, 2020 02:20 PM (x8Wzq)
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Many of the founding fathers mocked and laughed at Paine after the Revolutionary War. Their take was that Paine was a man who knew how to tear things down, but had no idea how to build anything of lasting significance.
Or, at least, I read that somewhere.
Posted by: CyberCipher #BoomerLivesMatter at November 29, 2020 02:15 PM (++/pX)
Or like the old joke about why Che Guevara left Cuba after the revolution "He realized that it was a hell of a lot more fun to blow up trains, than to make them run on time."
Many of the founding fathers mocked and laughed at Paine after the Revolutionary War. Their take was that Paine was a man who knew how to tear things down, but had no idea how to build anything of lasting significance.
Or, at least, I read that somewhere.
Posted by: CyberCipher #BoomerLivesMatter at November 29, 2020 02:15 PM (++/pX)
Or like the old joke about why Che Guevara left Cuba after the revolution "He realized that it was a hell of a lot more fun to blow up trains, than to make them run on time."
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 29, 2020 02:21 PM (EGyGV)
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Shibumi, I copied a lot of your information from the thread that day.
May come in handy, including your teledoc contact at www.amercasfrontlinedoctors.com
for expert medical help on hydroxychloriquine
May come in handy, including your teledoc contact at www.amercasfrontlinedoctors.com
for expert medical help on hydroxychloriquine
Posted by: JM in Florida at November 29, 2020 02:21 PM (HCeRP)
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New: FBI requests files of people voting 'in multiple states'
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 02:19 PM (vPzhp)
So they'll focus on a few bad actors but not in anyway sufficient to alter the faux "results". Bravissimo
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 02:19 PM (vPzhp)
So they'll focus on a few bad actors but not in anyway sufficient to alter the faux "results". Bravissimo
Posted by: NYC and Philly at November 29, 2020 02:21 PM (ONvIw)
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Has anyone checked vote totals for president versus vote totals for senate in the disputed states?
I would think a huge discrepancy between the two would scream "fraud."
I would think a huge discrepancy between the two would scream "fraud."
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at November 29, 2020 02:21 PM (WEBkv)
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The Grateful Dead sucks donkey balls. Horrific music.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 29, 2020 02:21 PM (u7erP)
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Well in lived through 60's music. And I had paid attention to the words, which thankfully I didn't, I would have thrown tapes out the car window and run them over.
Stupid protest bullshit. But the voices, harmonies, rhythms. ..wow....lol. forget the fashion.
Stupid protest bullshit. But the voices, harmonies, rhythms. ..wow....lol. forget the fashion.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 29, 2020 02:23 PM (WekKK)
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510 New: FBI requests files of people voting 'in multiple states'
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 02:19 PM (vPzhp)
So they'll focus on a few bad actors but not in anyway sufficient to alter the faux "results". Bravissimo
Posted by: NYC and Philly at November 29, 2020 02:21 PM (ONvIw)
The quantities appear to have been fairly substantial in this instance (possible they're just pulling from a list of names and these people aren't voting at all).
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 02:19 PM (vPzhp)
So they'll focus on a few bad actors but not in anyway sufficient to alter the faux "results". Bravissimo
Posted by: NYC and Philly at November 29, 2020 02:21 PM (ONvIw)
The quantities appear to have been fairly substantial in this instance (possible they're just pulling from a list of names and these people aren't voting at all).
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 29, 2020 02:23 PM (Zm+LZ)
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I would think a huge discrepancy between the two would scream "fraud."
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at November 29, 2020 02:21 PM (WEBkv)
Scream all you like, no one can hear you
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at November 29, 2020 02:21 PM (WEBkv)
Scream all you like, no one can hear you
Posted by: DOJ leaders of the China Revolution! at November 29, 2020 02:23 PM (ONvIw)
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The more interesting question (at least to me), is why does God grant these reprobate orcs the talents that they possess? I can't say for certain, but I suspect that it may have something to do with the fact that these narcissists are perpetually whining about how "life is not fair."
Posted by: CyberCipher #BoomerLivesMatter at November 29, 2020 02:09 PM (++/pX)
I think that there is more talent out there than we see. You tube has exposed some great talent if one goes looking forward it in terms of music.
I think the most well known great art seems to be produced by assholes is because it takes that kind of personality to bend the industry to one's will to make money at it.
Posted by: CyberCipher #BoomerLivesMatter at November 29, 2020 02:09 PM (++/pX)
I think that there is more talent out there than we see. You tube has exposed some great talent if one goes looking forward it in terms of music.
I think the most well known great art seems to be produced by assholes is because it takes that kind of personality to bend the industry to one's will to make money at it.
Posted by: InCali at November 29, 2020 02:24 PM (9AFWN)
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Reading Steve Jobs' biography, he was a terrible person.
And nowhere near the 'visionary' he made himself out to be.
And nowhere near the 'visionary' he made himself out to be.
Posted by: Ford Econoline at November 29, 2020 02:24 PM (+9XkZ)
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God gives talents, but those given more have more expected of them.
Posted by: Bete at November 29, 2020 02:15 PM (Ojki1)
Agreed. As it is clear pointed out to us in scripture.
What's puzzling is that God created these narcissistic Hollywood leftists, and I would presume that He did so because it somehow pleased Him to do exactly that. They have chosen to live their lives as enemies of God. Most have nothing good to say about God, and frequently accuse God of high crimes (because life is not fair).
So although God's expectations for them may be high, because of the gifts that they were given, they have clearly rejected those expectations, and set themselves up as judges of God Himself. It will be interesting to see how that plays out in the future.
Posted by: Bete at November 29, 2020 02:15 PM (Ojki1)
Agreed. As it is clear pointed out to us in scripture.
What's puzzling is that God created these narcissistic Hollywood leftists, and I would presume that He did so because it somehow pleased Him to do exactly that. They have chosen to live their lives as enemies of God. Most have nothing good to say about God, and frequently accuse God of high crimes (because life is not fair).
So although God's expectations for them may be high, because of the gifts that they were given, they have clearly rejected those expectations, and set themselves up as judges of God Himself. It will be interesting to see how that plays out in the future.
Posted by: CyberCipher #BoomerLivesMatter at November 29, 2020 02:24 PM (++/pX)
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498 I've never liked Robert deNiro. But that's just me.
I hate all The Godfather movies too.
Posted by: katya the designated driver
Do you like spaghetti ?
Posted by: JT at November 29, 2020 02:18 PM (arJlL)
Take the canollis. (Obligatory)
I hate all The Godfather movies too.
Posted by: katya the designated driver
Do you like spaghetti ?
Posted by: JT at November 29, 2020 02:18 PM (arJlL)
Take the canollis. (Obligatory)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 29, 2020 02:25 PM (WekKK)
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>>The Grateful Dead sucks donkey balls. Horrific music.
Some of it.
But, if you knew anything about the Dead you would not phrase it that way.
Checkout some of the Acoustic Sets.
Many beautiful songs with wonderful harmonies that anyone can appreciate.
Some of it.
But, if you knew anything about the Dead you would not phrase it that way.
Checkout some of the Acoustic Sets.
Many beautiful songs with wonderful harmonies that anyone can appreciate.
Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2020 02:25 PM (eZyMQ)
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@RachelBitecofer 18h
Latino support [for Biden] waned due to a shrewd, more than 2+ yr effort by @parscale in his leadership of the Trump campaign to micro-target Latino men -- banking on the fact that these low-info voters would receive no other contact
Curses! Our predictions would have been correct except for those LIV Latino men!
Latino support [for Biden] waned due to a shrewd, more than 2+ yr effort by @parscale in his leadership of the Trump campaign to micro-target Latino men -- banking on the fact that these low-info voters would receive no other contact
Curses! Our predictions would have been correct except for those LIV Latino men!
Posted by: The Consultant Class is Always Right at November 29, 2020 02:25 PM (BBWrU)
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511 Has anyone checked vote totals for president versus vote totals for senate in the disputed states?
I would think a huge discrepancy between the two would scream "fraud."
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at November 29, 2020 02:21 PM (WEBkv)
Yes they have, and yes Biden receives huge amounts of Biden only votes where as Trump's totals track closely with the Senate race.
I would think a huge discrepancy between the two would scream "fraud."
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at November 29, 2020 02:21 PM (WEBkv)
Yes they have, and yes Biden receives huge amounts of Biden only votes where as Trump's totals track closely with the Senate race.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 29, 2020 02:26 PM (Zm+LZ)
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I would think a huge discrepancy between the two would scream "fraud."
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at November 29, 2020 02:21 PM (WEBkv)
Yup, they'll just say it is circumstantial, that it proves voters were highly motivate for Biden / against Trump (take your pick).
Damn right it's fraud
I would think a huge discrepancy between the two would scream "fraud."
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at November 29, 2020 02:21 PM (WEBkv)
Yup, they'll just say it is circumstantial, that it proves voters were highly motivate for Biden / against Trump (take your pick).
Damn right it's fraud
Posted by: JM in Florida at November 29, 2020 02:26 PM (HCeRP)
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Republicans gained 46 seats in NH, yet the state went for Biden. lulz
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 02:26 PM (vPzhp)
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And how should we regard the work of Leni Riefenstahl? Should she be put
into the category of those supportive of 'The Final Solution' or just
regarded as a 'great filmmaker'? This is what Orwell meant by
'Doublethink' ... it is sometimes possible to hold two contradictory
thoughts in the mind at the same time, non? (See 'Newspeak Dictionary',
Vol. 11)
FWIW, I studied broadcasting and the cinematic arts in college, and we looked at her work. I do think that Riefenstahl is a brilliant filmmaker. In his own way, so I Michael Moore. Both are incredible propagandists. Personally, I despise both of them.
/so yes, not necessarily Doublethink but cognitive dissonance
into the category of those supportive of 'The Final Solution' or just
regarded as a 'great filmmaker'? This is what Orwell meant by
'Doublethink' ... it is sometimes possible to hold two contradictory
thoughts in the mind at the same time, non? (See 'Newspeak Dictionary',
Vol. 11)
FWIW, I studied broadcasting and the cinematic arts in college, and we looked at her work. I do think that Riefenstahl is a brilliant filmmaker. In his own way, so I Michael Moore. Both are incredible propagandists. Personally, I despise both of them.
/so yes, not necessarily Doublethink but cognitive dissonance
Posted by: President Elect Shibumi, fighting against the Great Reset at November 29, 2020 02:27 PM (ZCiJZ)
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518 God gives talents, but those given more have more expected of them.
Posted by: Bete at November 29, 2020 02:15 PM (Ojki1)
Agreed. As it is clear pointed out to us in scripture.
What's puzzling is that God created these narcissistic Hollywood leftists, and I would presume that He did so because it somehow pleased Him to do exactly that. They have chosen to live their lives as enemies of God. Most have nothing good to say about God, and frequently accuse God of high crimes (because life is not fair).
So although God's expectations for them may be high, because of the gifts that they were given, they have clearly rejected those expectations, and set themselves up as judges of God Himself. It will be interesting to see how that plays out in the future.
Posted by: CyberCipher #BoomerLivesMatter at November 29, 2020 02:24 PM (++/pX)
In the parable of the wedding feast it is the rich and noble who reject the invitations. All are invited but many decline.
Posted by: Bete at November 29, 2020 02:15 PM (Ojki1)
Agreed. As it is clear pointed out to us in scripture.
What's puzzling is that God created these narcissistic Hollywood leftists, and I would presume that He did so because it somehow pleased Him to do exactly that. They have chosen to live their lives as enemies of God. Most have nothing good to say about God, and frequently accuse God of high crimes (because life is not fair).
So although God's expectations for them may be high, because of the gifts that they were given, they have clearly rejected those expectations, and set themselves up as judges of God Himself. It will be interesting to see how that plays out in the future.
Posted by: CyberCipher #BoomerLivesMatter at November 29, 2020 02:24 PM (++/pX)
In the parable of the wedding feast it is the rich and noble who reject the invitations. All are invited but many decline.
Posted by: Warlord Someguy - General Who Pacifies The East and West at November 29, 2020 02:27 PM (Zm+LZ)
Posted by: JT at November 29, 2020 02:27 PM (arJlL)
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The Director of Chinatown is a criminal sh*t, but I love that movie
Posted by: JM in Florida at November 29, 2020 02:27 PM (HCeRP)
Posted by: Ford Econoline at November 29, 2020 02:28 PM (+9XkZ)
530
At various times in my life, I've been around the
local music scene in different places, and it's been my observation that
a large number of musicians are immature flakes who only indulge in
music in order to chase their party-hearty high school years. So yeah,
not exactly rational.
That's probably not fair to some musicians who are actually serious
about their work, but there's enough of the jackasses around that it
taints them all in my mind.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 29, 2020 02:02 PM (EGyGV)
Been somewhat my experience as well. I had the added pleasure of having to deal with them, just not for long. Most of the situations I was in were pretty professional, but there were a few that were out of control. I didn't last there.
local music scene in different places, and it's been my observation that
a large number of musicians are immature flakes who only indulge in
music in order to chase their party-hearty high school years. So yeah,
not exactly rational.
That's probably not fair to some musicians who are actually serious
about their work, but there's enough of the jackasses around that it
taints them all in my mind.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 29, 2020 02:02 PM (EGyGV)
Been somewhat my experience as well. I had the added pleasure of having to deal with them, just not for long. Most of the situations I was in were pretty professional, but there were a few that were out of control. I didn't last there.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 29, 2020 02:28 PM (9Om/r)
531
China actors using fake ID's and ballots were voting in multiple states.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 02:28 PM (vPzhp)
532
What's puzzling is that God created these narcissistic Hollywood
leftists, and I would presume that He did so because it somehow pleased
Him to do exactly that
We have free will. God creates us with the best of intentions, and then we f*ck things up.
leftists, and I would presume that He did so because it somehow pleased
Him to do exactly that
We have free will. God creates us with the best of intentions, and then we f*ck things up.
Posted by: President Elect Shibumi, fighting against the Great Reset at November 29, 2020 02:28 PM (ZCiJZ)
533
Take the canollis. (Obligatory)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob
Cannibal- A Rumor of War - Philip Caputo.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob
Cannibal- A Rumor of War - Philip Caputo.
Posted by: JT at November 29, 2020 02:29 PM (arJlL)
534
Reading Steve Jobs' biography, he was a terrible person.
And nowhere near the 'visionary' he made himself out to be.
Posted by: Ford Econoline at November 29, 2020 02:24 PM (+9XkZ)
Jobs was a sociopath. Just like Bill Gates. Except Jobs thought he was batter than Gates because Bill had "poor taste".
So apparently, in their view, it's okay to be a sociopath, just as long as one has "good taste".
And nowhere near the 'visionary' he made himself out to be.
Posted by: Ford Econoline at November 29, 2020 02:24 PM (+9XkZ)
Jobs was a sociopath. Just like Bill Gates. Except Jobs thought he was batter than Gates because Bill had "poor taste".
So apparently, in their view, it's okay to be a sociopath, just as long as one has "good taste".
Posted by: CyberCipher #BoomerLivesMatter at November 29, 2020 02:30 PM (++/pX)
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>>China actors using fake ID's and ballots were voting in multiple states.
Jackie Chan Stars in
CAUCUS IN THE BRONX
Jackie Chan Stars in
CAUCUS IN THE BRONX
Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2020 02:30 PM (w+i6i)
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517 Reading Steve Jobs' biography, he was a terrible person.
And nowhere near the 'visionary' he made himself out to be.
Posted by: Ford Econoline at November 29, 2020 02:24 PM (+9XkZ)
Got a lot of his ideas straight from a visit to Xerox Palo Alto, including the mouse. Poor Xerox
And nowhere near the 'visionary' he made himself out to be.
Posted by: Ford Econoline at November 29, 2020 02:24 PM (+9XkZ)
Got a lot of his ideas straight from a visit to Xerox Palo Alto, including the mouse. Poor Xerox
Posted by: JM in Florida at November 29, 2020 02:30 PM (HCeRP)
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On topic: At the Hausdroff Institute [mathematics] in Bonn, it's semi-verboten to say the name Teichmueller -- Hausdorff and his wife were Jews who committed suicide (I forget the exact date), while Teichmueller was a rabid National Socialist (Nazi).
But Teichmueller certainly has many notable contributions to mathematics, and when I was at the Hausdorff Institute for a conference, one speaker chose to basically use a "he whose name shall not be spoken" technique to avoid referring to him.
But Teichmueller certainly has many notable contributions to mathematics, and when I was at the Hausdorff Institute for a conference, one speaker chose to basically use a "he whose name shall not be spoken" technique to avoid referring to him.
Posted by: p-adic lift at November 29, 2020 02:31 PM (BBWrU)
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@Barnes_Law
FYI: Prior to the SCOTUS decision in Bush v. Gore, every federal court and every state supreme court had ruled for Gore over Bush every time until SCOTUS. Election contests only start next week, and the key procedural aspect of Bush v. Gore was it started as an election contest.
FYI: Prior to the SCOTUS decision in Bush v. Gore, every federal court and every state supreme court had ruled for Gore over Bush every time until SCOTUS. Election contests only start next week, and the key procedural aspect of Bush v. Gore was it started as an election contest.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 02:33 PM (vPzhp)
539
If the FBI acts it will be failure theater and produce mild, inadequate results. It will also be scripted as to let any major league pol off the hook so that they can live to try another day. The FBI is like PJ Masks ( a kiddie show). Good guys never really win and bad guys are never punished. I can't imagine why anyone with real evidence would trust them. Did they solve the Vegas shootings, no. Did they prosecute this pedo island Epstein series of crimes, no. Did they go after Trump tooth and nail, fuck yeah! Why does anyone here trust them to make a proper decision?
Posted by: DOJ leaders of the China Revolution! at November 29, 2020 02:33 PM (ONvIw)
540
>> @Barnes_Law
There were over 20k on the Viva Barnes LiveBlog last week.
2 months ago, they were getting like 1500-2k I think
There were over 20k on the Viva Barnes LiveBlog last week.
2 months ago, they were getting like 1500-2k I think
Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2020 02:34 PM (w+i6i)
541
@45 and 60.
The US Army museum at Fort Belvoir has several of Hitler's paintings. They were 'acquired' by soldiers at the end of WWII. Probably several of them from the 101st during their time at Berchtesgarden (sp)
The US Army museum at Fort Belvoir has several of Hitler's paintings. They were 'acquired' by soldiers at the end of WWII. Probably several of them from the 101st during their time at Berchtesgarden (sp)
Posted by: Stacy0311 at November 29, 2020 02:35 PM (SqpTW)
542
Seems important!
https://tinyurl.com/y4dxb2tt
Executive Order on Addressing the Threat from Securities Investments that Finance Communist Chinese Military Companies 11/12/2020
https://tinyurl.com/y4dxb2tt
Executive Order on Addressing the Threat from Securities Investments that Finance Communist Chinese Military Companies 11/12/2020
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 02:43 PM (vPzhp)
543
https://tinyurl.com/yxsya3pl
Egyptian Air Force promo.
Guess we are warming up for upcoming multinational exercise Medusa 2020 starting tomorrow.
OR......
Egyptian Air Force promo.
Guess we are warming up for upcoming multinational exercise Medusa 2020 starting tomorrow.
OR......
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 02:46 PM (vPzhp)
544
BIGLY Thread! scroll up and down.
https://tinyurl.com/y2lf7x83
Replying to
@1foreverseeking
@Avery1776
and
@BenKTallmadge
Holy hell, they're talking about the William J. Perry Center for Hemispheric Defense Studies, created in 1997!
Chinese Spy Ring - Able Danger!
Quote Tweet
Look at this Chinese Espionage spy ring that most people know nothing about. It involves Condoleeza Rice, Dr. William Perry, Clinton's Secretary of Defense, and Dr. John Lewis, DOD "personal consultant", of Defense Secretary William Perry. link
https://tinyurl.com/y2lf7x83
Replying to
@1foreverseeking
@Avery1776
and
@BenKTallmadge
Holy hell, they're talking about the William J. Perry Center for Hemispheric Defense Studies, created in 1997!
Chinese Spy Ring - Able Danger!
Quote Tweet
Look at this Chinese Espionage spy ring that most people know nothing about. It involves Condoleeza Rice, Dr. William Perry, Clinton's Secretary of Defense, and Dr. John Lewis, DOD "personal consultant", of Defense Secretary William Perry. link
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 02:49 PM (vPzhp)
545
"464
BIGLY Thread! China forged ballots multiple states!
https://twitter.com/weiyuksj1/
status/1333075738975629312
Templates of Charlotte County, FL / Beaufort County, NC from printing house in China (PICS!) cont.. scroll up and down
@gatewaypundit
@scrowder
@JennaEllisEsq
@benshapiro
@realDonaldTrump
@SecPompeo
@michaeljknowles
@SteveDeaceShow
@glennbeck
@RudyGiuliani
@SidneyPowell1
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 02:11 PM (vPzhp)"
There is video footage of election workers pulling ballots out of shipping packets with clearly identifiable Chinese shipping labels on them.
BIGLY Thread! China forged ballots multiple states!
https://twitter.com/weiyuksj1/
status/1333075738975629312
Templates of Charlotte County, FL / Beaufort County, NC from printing house in China (PICS!) cont.. scroll up and down
@gatewaypundit
@scrowder
@JennaEllisEsq
@benshapiro
@realDonaldTrump
@SecPompeo
@michaeljknowles
@SteveDeaceShow
@glennbeck
@RudyGiuliani
@SidneyPowell1
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 02:11 PM (vPzhp)"
There is video footage of election workers pulling ballots out of shipping packets with clearly identifiable Chinese shipping labels on them.
Posted by: there are only three star wars films at November 29, 2020 02:50 PM (EEVQU)
546
Its amazing people are still running around hunting for
"Nazis" so they can trash their art, when we've had Stalinist's and Stalin supporters dominating mid-20th century art without any blow-back.
Hemingway was a KGB spy during the 1940's and lied to the American people about the Spanish Civil war. So what if innocent people got killed by the Republican secret police or thousands of Priests, nuns, etc. got killed? How many people refuse to read Hemingway because of that? But I'm supposed to care about wagner or Reinfenstal. Hilarious!
"Nazis" so they can trash their art, when we've had Stalinist's and Stalin supporters dominating mid-20th century art without any blow-back.
Hemingway was a KGB spy during the 1940's and lied to the American people about the Spanish Civil war. So what if innocent people got killed by the Republican secret police or thousands of Priests, nuns, etc. got killed? How many people refuse to read Hemingway because of that? But I'm supposed to care about wagner or Reinfenstal. Hilarious!
Posted by: rcocean at November 29, 2020 03:01 PM (evE25)
547
I've known some real pricks in the film industry but they were quite talented artists, gotta give em that
Posted by: robert kendall at November 29, 2020 03:04 PM (+UGno)
548
There is video footage of election workers pulling ballots out of shipping packets with clearly identifiable Chinese shipping labels on them.
Posted by: there are only three star wars films at November 29, 2020 02:50 PM (EEVQU)
yep. there are clear pictures of the forged ballots, the template, the factory, and the chat logs to order them as well.
things are escalating quickly towards actions against groups outside of China's sphere to take them out like South America and Central American Cartels, Criminals in Europe, and the Muslim brotherhood ME and Northern Africa.
China has always been connected to these elements since pre 9/11 and even admitted as such and rubbed our noses in it.
Gloves are coming off. They are not going to know what hit them. they are very weak, cut off their heads via quick spec ops strikes and the bodies die.
Posted by: there are only three star wars films at November 29, 2020 02:50 PM (EEVQU)
yep. there are clear pictures of the forged ballots, the template, the factory, and the chat logs to order them as well.
things are escalating quickly towards actions against groups outside of China's sphere to take them out like South America and Central American Cartels, Criminals in Europe, and the Muslim brotherhood ME and Northern Africa.
China has always been connected to these elements since pre 9/11 and even admitted as such and rubbed our noses in it.
Gloves are coming off. They are not going to know what hit them. they are very weak, cut off their heads via quick spec ops strikes and the bodies die.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 03:11 PM (vPzhp)
Posted by: Your Big Wet President at November 29, 2020 03:19 PM (P4sqS)
550
Gloves are coming off. They are not going to know what hit them. they are very weak, cut off their heads via quick spec ops strikes and the bodies die.
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 03:11 PM (vPzhp)
I want what she's drinking!
Posted by: bat nationalist at November 29, 2020 03:11 PM (vPzhp)
I want what she's drinking!
Posted by: DOJ leaders of the China Revolution! at November 29, 2020 03:28 PM (ONvIw)
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53 One of my favorite musicians is Yo-yo Ma and he played for Obozo's inauguration. But I forgave him.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 29, 2020 12:22 PM (+y/Ru)
Sorry, that is kinda like listening to the Dixie Chicks. Not gonna happen in this house! LOL
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 29, 2020 12:22 PM (+y/Ru)
Sorry, that is kinda like listening to the Dixie Chicks. Not gonna happen in this house! LOL
Posted by: DeplorablyBonnieBlue Says TRUMP WON at November 29, 2020 03:33 PM (BNMel)
552
I figure I don't like deNiro or The Godfather because I'm a woman. But I don't care for romcoms and I love mindless entertainment like The Thing and Battleship. Maybe I'm just shallow.
And I do love spaghetti.
And I do love spaghetti.
Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 29, 2020 03:34 PM (1ebP6)
553
I don't like to give money to people who hate me.
I am a hypocrite because I use Amazon. I hate giving that bald headed fuck any money, but ...
I am a hypocrite because I use Amazon. I hate giving that bald headed fuck any money, but ...
Posted by: butch at November 29, 2020 03:51 PM (cHvOo)
554
One of the greatest writers of English was P.G. Wodehouse, but he also apparently sympathised with Nazis (jury's still out on that one) and was inevitably slagged off. Well, sorry, lots of people sympathised with Nazis until they cottened on to what was really happening, then they dropped Nazis like hot potatoes. Today he'd almost certainly be "cancelled" and the world would be left without one of its better lights. It must be said, his so-called sympathies never showed up in the stories.
Posted by: here in Italy at November 29, 2020 04:07 PM (wv6uN)
555
I used to work in the film industry - not anywhere in the center of things, but on the margins. But close enough to see some of the big players up close.
Bottom line: These people are idiots. Incredibly talented idiots, but idiots nonetheless. There is nothing wrong with enjoying an artist's work while holding them in contempt as human beings, because most of them have the emotional maturity and continence of children. They may have the talents of gods, but in everything else they are infants.
One should regard political pronouncements from entertainers the same way one regards political pronouncements from beautiful, precocious, charismatic children: with gentle amusement and condescension. They just want someone to pat them on the head and tell them how SMART they are. That's literally the depth of their understanding.
Bottom line: These people are idiots. Incredibly talented idiots, but idiots nonetheless. There is nothing wrong with enjoying an artist's work while holding them in contempt as human beings, because most of them have the emotional maturity and continence of children. They may have the talents of gods, but in everything else they are infants.
One should regard political pronouncements from entertainers the same way one regards political pronouncements from beautiful, precocious, charismatic children: with gentle amusement and condescension. They just want someone to pat them on the head and tell them how SMART they are. That's literally the depth of their understanding.
Posted by: Ex-liberal at November 29, 2020 04:40 PM (20v0t)
556
Starting tomorrow, there are 14 full days before the electoral college convenes.
That is plenty of time for SCOTUS todo the following:
--- Grant a hearing with oral arguments to determine whether the plaintiff (Trump) has been denied the right of due process of being allowed an evidentiary hearing in the lower courts concerning his claims in contested States that there was massive violation of election laws.
--- Upon determining that the plaintiff has indeed been denied his right of due process to admit evidence in court cases in which he has clear legal standing: as remedy, SCOTUS then specifically chooses and orders lower courts to immediately conduct evidentiary hearings to cure the violations of due process. One evidentiary hearing per contested State.
--- As soon as one of the lower courts concludes its evidentiary hearing establishing a factual basis regarding ballot observers and the counting of mail-in ballots, SCOTUS holds a hearing with oral arguments to determine whether election officials preventing ballot observers from seeing legally relevant information on ballots was in violation of State election law. And if so, whether that in turn eliminated the ability of ballot observers to object to potentially invalid ballots. (All States' election laws have provisions for observers objecting to problematic ballots. But Pennsylvania election law explicitly and unambiguously declares that ballot observers have "the right to object" to potentially invalid ballots based on their observations.) Here, the Court is setting up the dispositional precedent that will be applied to the other 5 contested States as well.
--- Once the Court determines that based on the evidence there have been gross violations of Constitutionally protected State election law on a massive scale that could effect the outcome a State's election, the Court can issue the following remedy: the ballot counts of each massively law-breaking county are declared null and void. Those county's election results are voided due to massive ballot spoilage caused by the county's gross unconstitutional actions. This in turn nullifies the certification of that State's election results. HOWEVER, the Court also rules that the State may re-tabulate and re-certify its election results as long as its Constitutionally protected laws are observed in the process such that no illegal ballots are included.
The State does not have to re-certify. It is free to do nothing and thereby opt out of participating in the electoral college. That's entirely up to that State. What it cannot do is include in its certified results massive batches of invalid ballots that were tabulated in a systematically illegal and unconstitutional manner. So if the State wants to re-tabulate its election results counting only legally cast ballots and then certify those results in order to have its 20 electoral votes counted in the electoral college, it is free to do so.
SCOTUS has a clear path to confront and eliminate the unconstitutional, lawless theft of the 2020 election without disenfranchising a single vote. They put burden of legally and Constitutionally certifying a State's election results back on the State in question.
To the extent that thousands of individual citizen votes are disenfranchised, the blame will lay squarely at the feet of the corrupt counties and election officials who illegally spoiled the ballots in coordinated fashion.
Starting tomorrow, there are 14 full days before the electoral college convenes.
That is plenty of time for SCOTUS todo the following:
--- Grant a hearing with oral arguments to determine whether the plaintiff (Trump) has been denied the right of due process of being allowed an evidentiary hearing in the lower courts concerning his claims in contested States that there was massive violation of election laws.
--- Upon determining that the plaintiff has indeed been denied his right of due process to admit evidence in court cases in which he has clear legal standing: as remedy, SCOTUS then specifically chooses and orders lower courts to immediately conduct evidentiary hearings to cure the violations of due process. One evidentiary hearing per contested State.
--- As soon as one of the lower courts concludes its evidentiary hearing establishing a factual basis regarding ballot observers and the counting of mail-in ballots, SCOTUS holds a hearing with oral arguments to determine whether election officials preventing ballot observers from seeing legally relevant information on ballots was in violation of State election law. And if so, whether that in turn eliminated the ability of ballot observers to object to potentially invalid ballots. (All States' election laws have provisions for observers objecting to problematic ballots. But Pennsylvania election law explicitly and unambiguously declares that ballot observers have "the right to object" to potentially invalid ballots based on their observations.) Here, the Court is setting up the dispositional precedent that will be applied to the other 5 contested States as well.
--- Once the Court determines that based on the evidence there have been gross violations of Constitutionally protected State election law on a massive scale that could effect the outcome a State's election, the Court can issue the following remedy: the ballot counts of each massively law-breaking county are declared null and void. Those county's election results are voided due to massive ballot spoilage caused by the county's gross unconstitutional actions. This in turn nullifies the certification of that State's election results. HOWEVER, the Court also rules that the State may re-tabulate and re-certify its election results as long as its Constitutionally protected laws are observed in the process such that no illegal ballots are included.
The State does not have to re-certify. It is free to do nothing and thereby opt out of participating in the electoral college. That's entirely up to that State. What it cannot do is include in its certified results massive batches of invalid ballots that were tabulated in a systematically illegal and unconstitutional manner. So if the State wants to re-tabulate its election results counting only legally cast ballots and then certify those results in order to have its 20 electoral votes counted in the electoral college, it is free to do so.
SCOTUS has a clear path to confront and eliminate the unconstitutional, lawless theft of the 2020 election without disenfranchising a single vote. They put burden of legally and Constitutionally certifying a State's election results back on the State in question.
To the extent that thousands of individual citizen votes are disenfranchised, the blame will lay squarely at the feet of the corrupt counties and election officials who illegally spoiled the ballots in coordinated fashion.
Posted by: cold civil war at November 29, 2020 05:02 PM (Z2PYk)
557
One of the things that most serious artists come to understand, after years of work, trying to make a living, is that "There is no accounting for taste".
Posted by: pawn at November 29, 2020 05:06 PM (Cfk8j)
558
Note that completing the evidentiary hearings will not take long.
It is SCOTUS's prerogative to set the parameters for what kind of evidence shall be considered relevant in the hearings. For instance, it can declare that evidence indicating whether ballot observers were able to read legible information on ballots and the envelopes containing the ballots as being particularly relevant.
So a lower court conducting an evidentiary hearing will merely be verifying that each piece of evidence submitted is relevant and has been subject to adversarial examination and that the piece of evidence is only admitted if the court does not find the piece of evidence to be faulty.
Realize that 95% of each of these evidentiary hearings will be swearing in affiants to reaffirm their sworn affidavits in open court and be available to cross examination IF there is material evidence that the affiant has sworn to a false affidavit. When the opposing side has no evidence to present that an affiant has sworn to a false affidavit: on average it takes less that two minutes per testifying affiant for a court to admit an affidavit as evidence.
Traffic court cases take longer for a court to hear than for a court to hear the submission of a credible affidavit and then allow its admission into the court's record. And anyone who's been to traffic court knows that most cases involving witnesses (defendant and ticketing officer) are concluded by the judge in well less of 5 minutes. Typically, more than 50 cases (with witnesses) gets processed before lunch.
Also, all affidavits for which the opposing side has no evidence upon which to base an objection get front-loaded. The affiants are sworn in and the affidavits are admitted as evidence extremely quickly - less than a minute per affiant.
It will take between 2-3 days (maybe 4 on the outside) for a court to conclude its evidentiary hearing for a particular State. And remember that these hearings are being conducted simultaneously by courts that SCOTUS has carefully selected to get the job done efficiently and fairly.
So, yes, 14 days is more than ample time for SCOTUS to act and remedy this unconstitutional mess.
Note that completing the evidentiary hearings will not take long.
It is SCOTUS's prerogative to set the parameters for what kind of evidence shall be considered relevant in the hearings. For instance, it can declare that evidence indicating whether ballot observers were able to read legible information on ballots and the envelopes containing the ballots as being particularly relevant.
So a lower court conducting an evidentiary hearing will merely be verifying that each piece of evidence submitted is relevant and has been subject to adversarial examination and that the piece of evidence is only admitted if the court does not find the piece of evidence to be faulty.
Realize that 95% of each of these evidentiary hearings will be swearing in affiants to reaffirm their sworn affidavits in open court and be available to cross examination IF there is material evidence that the affiant has sworn to a false affidavit. When the opposing side has no evidence to present that an affiant has sworn to a false affidavit: on average it takes less that two minutes per testifying affiant for a court to admit an affidavit as evidence.
Traffic court cases take longer for a court to hear than for a court to hear the submission of a credible affidavit and then allow its admission into the court's record. And anyone who's been to traffic court knows that most cases involving witnesses (defendant and ticketing officer) are concluded by the judge in well less of 5 minutes. Typically, more than 50 cases (with witnesses) gets processed before lunch.
Also, all affidavits for which the opposing side has no evidence upon which to base an objection get front-loaded. The affiants are sworn in and the affidavits are admitted as evidence extremely quickly - less than a minute per affiant.
It will take between 2-3 days (maybe 4 on the outside) for a court to conclude its evidentiary hearing for a particular State. And remember that these hearings are being conducted simultaneously by courts that SCOTUS has carefully selected to get the job done efficiently and fairly.
So, yes, 14 days is more than ample time for SCOTUS to act and remedy this unconstitutional mess.
Posted by: cold civil war at November 29, 2020 06:27 PM (Z2PYk)
559
I can do without artists who tell the world they hate me and what I stand for. Shut up and sing.
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560
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Posted by: What Is Near Me at November 29, 2020 08:03 PM (QlmHr)
561
I am concerned that Ace is not covering the Election Fraud at all. I always thought Ace was one of the good guys. Please assure me that he is and that this is just an oversight.....
Posted by: Connie Chandler at November 29, 2020 08:19 PM (ILSHE)
562
Artists and their oevres: Do normal people still go see Woody Allen movies anymore? My mother said he was a creep when I was in high school 30 years ago.Seriously, she spat "He's a creep!" with such vitriol that I didn't ask questions.
Posted by: Bintie Fresh at November 29, 2020 08:28 PM (iBjhI)
563
And the hell with DeNiro, he's a one-note actor.
And an asshole.
Pacino, at least, did Shakespeare. He was great in The Merchant of Venice as Shylock and Looking for Richard as Richard III. And I don't know about his politics at all.
And an asshole.
Pacino, at least, did Shakespeare. He was great in The Merchant of Venice as Shylock and Looking for Richard as Richard III. And I don't know about his politics at all.
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Posted by: Philip Sells at November 29, 2020 09:46 PM (9RSw4)
565
Connie Chandler @ comment 561,
Rest assured, yes, Ace is one of the good guys. Not only that, he's one of the best of the good guys.
I'm not sure why he's not giving as much personal attention to the legal challenges. But I know he's appalled by the naked, lawless, unconstitutional theft of the Presidential election.
It simply might be too disheartening for him to speculate and opine about a truly dreadful situation over which he and we have absolutely no control. He might just be stoically waiting for the final death blow to Trump's difficult prospect of pulling off some way of legally nullifying the fraudulent results that threaten to steal the presidency. (Ace can be a bit of a cynic.)
Or, more hopefully, he's keeping his powder dry just in case SCOTUS decides to hear Trump's case. Maybe it doesn't make much sense to him to sound off on a legal case that is truly dead unless SCOTUS wants to weigh in.
Anyway, Ace is definitely one of the good guys. We need his voice like we need Rush's and Levin's.
Connie Chandler @ comment 561,
Rest assured, yes, Ace is one of the good guys. Not only that, he's one of the best of the good guys.
I'm not sure why he's not giving as much personal attention to the legal challenges. But I know he's appalled by the naked, lawless, unconstitutional theft of the Presidential election.
It simply might be too disheartening for him to speculate and opine about a truly dreadful situation over which he and we have absolutely no control. He might just be stoically waiting for the final death blow to Trump's difficult prospect of pulling off some way of legally nullifying the fraudulent results that threaten to steal the presidency. (Ace can be a bit of a cynic.)
Or, more hopefully, he's keeping his powder dry just in case SCOTUS decides to hear Trump's case. Maybe it doesn't make much sense to him to sound off on a legal case that is truly dead unless SCOTUS wants to weigh in.
Anyway, Ace is definitely one of the good guys. We need his voice like we need Rush's and Levin's.
Posted by: cold civil war at November 30, 2020 04:41 AM (Z2PYk)
566
One other thing Connie Chandler @ comment #561,
You ought to check out J.J. Sefton's Morning Reports during the weekdays.
He provides a stentorian voice in expressing outrage over the 2020 Presidential election theft.
He also dollops in a few heaping scoops of hope every so often.
He's fully covering it.
One other thing Connie Chandler @ comment #561,
You ought to check out J.J. Sefton's Morning Reports during the weekdays.
He provides a stentorian voice in expressing outrage over the 2020 Presidential election theft.
He also dollops in a few heaping scoops of hope every so often.
He's fully covering it.
Posted by: cold civil war at November 30, 2020 05:49 AM (Z2PYk)
567
cold civil war
Thank you so much for the response, I am just trying to figure out who I can and cannot trust these days. I am just heart sick at what is going on and while I don't comment here at Ace, I do keep up with the posts daily. I do read J.J.'s morning reports each weekday so again, thank you!
Thank you so much for the response, I am just trying to figure out who I can and cannot trust these days. I am just heart sick at what is going on and while I don't comment here at Ace, I do keep up with the posts daily. I do read J.J.'s morning reports each weekday so again, thank you!
Posted by: Connie Chandler at November 30, 2020 07:40 AM (ILSHE)
568
I have been grappling this issue for a while now. I'm coming around to the point that an artists politics influences their work. This has put me off of quite a few icons of mine in the past. YMMV.
Posted by: Ray Mota at November 30, 2020 12:36 PM (AVxHd)
569
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Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat