Twelve Previous Hacks and Illegal Leaks of Confidential Information -- Which Twitter and Facebook Didn't Censor, Because They Were Anti-Trump

If these companies are permitted to stand as they are, America is over.

This is Turnkey Fascism and our own (supposedly) paid-off corporate-owned representatives have enabled it, and continue making excuses for why their supposed devotion to a corporate conception of "libertarianism" requires we go through a hundred year period of actual fascism.

The first step in any fascist takeover is shutting down opposition newspapers and censoring the news -- both of which Twitter is doing right now. Facebook hasn't shut down the Post yet, but it's censored the news.

Here are some of the past hacks and leaks our Tech Overlords had no problem with:

2. President Trump's Tax Returns

Last month, the New York Times published President Trump's personal tax returns, which it illegally obtained. Tax and all financial records are legally protected private information. It is a crime to release them. As accountant Ryan Ellis writes,

It is a federal crime for any federal, state, or local government employee to release a tax return without the consent of the taxpayer. Ditto for tax lawyers, CPAs, enrolled agents, and other tax professionals. Interestingly, it's also illegal to print or publish tax returns or information from them. Section 7213 of the Internal Revenue Code prescribes that each violation here is a felony punishable by $5,000 and/or five years in federal prison, plus the cost of prosecution. Federal employees so convicted are to lose their jobs.

This criminally leaked private information is still available all over Twitter and Facebook.


5. Donald Trump Jr. WikiLeaks Emails
In 2017, corporate media reported that Donald Trump Jr. had received advance warning that WikiLeaks was about to release Hillary Clinton's emails. This was supposedly a smoking gun proving that President Trump and his campaign had coordinated with WikiLeaks to use stolen information to attack Clinton. Except it wasn't true.

It was subsequently found that the date on this email to Trump Jr. had been manipulated. In fact, he had only gotten the information at the same time the rest of the world did, when WikiLeaks publicly released Clinton's emails. There was no smoking gun. It was a false story.

It was suspicious from the beginning, as the initial reporting from MSNBC came from anonymous sources and had to be somehow obtained deceitfully, as Trump Jr. certainly didn't release his private emails. Twitter and Facebook did nothing to impede the spread of this unverifiable, hacked, and private information.

Yashar Ali notes another use of actually hacked emails: Republican donor Elliott Broidy's emails were hacked and leaded to unfriendly media outlets. He was probably hacked by a foreign state -- Qatar -- which opposes us in the Middle East.

The New York Times and WSJ knew these emails were hacked, but published them anyway.

And they're still available on Twitter!

If this is a policy, why is Twitter not enforcing it in Elliot Broidy's favor?

That may expose them to legal liability, even without any "clarification" of s.230.

Nick Short notes that twitter is now lying to you, telling you that a link to the New York Post might be a threat to your computer's security:

BTW, Twitter is down.

I wonder if it's because they've banned and censored so many posts and users that the system is running slow.

Posted by: Ace at 05:48 PM




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1 Yeah buddy

Posted by: Traveling Man Who's Stuck At Home. Thanks China &&&& at October 15, 2020 04:47 PM (R5lpX)

2 Lurker in top 10??

Posted by: SouthernDiva at October 15, 2020 04:48 PM (nbZEJ)

3 top ten

Posted by: An Observation at October 15, 2020 04:48 PM (d2ozz)

4 Top ten

Posted by: Fringe at October 15, 2020 04:48 PM (FPur3)

5 Could have been first.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 15, 2020 04:49 PM (JUOKG)

6 Anyone else having trouble getting to their Twitter dashboard?

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at October 15, 2020 04:49 PM (uquGJ)

7 Time to sue for election interference. In kind contributions to the democrats. Take them down.

Posted by: iandeal at October 15, 2020 04:49 PM (vgGyZ)

8 top ten?

Posted by: Bunkerintheburbs at October 15, 2020 04:49 PM (yN+uL)

9 BTW, Twitter is down.

I wonder if it's because they've banned and censored so many posts and users that the system is running slow.

Posted by: Ace at 05:48 PM


We wuz hacked!

Posted by: Twitter at October 15, 2020 04:49 PM (kHg6S)

10 toppish tennish

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at October 15, 2020 04:50 PM (Wfkxy)

11 Lol, guess I should have finished (started) reading the content.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at October 15, 2020 04:50 PM (uquGJ)

12 And just saw where Fauci wants to do away with Thanksgiving. Dude got his 15 minutes of fame at the beginning of the Covid-19 debacle and doesn't want to lose that taste of dictatorial power he got.

Posted by: Traveling Man Who's Stuck At Home. Thanks China &&&& at October 15, 2020 04:50 PM (R5lpX)

13


Long past time to take down the commie scum in Big Tech.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 15, 2020 04:50 PM (adzVz)

14 Twitter is down? Oh lordy what will we do?

Posted by: f'd at October 15, 2020 04:50 PM (+y8uL)

15 Shocked face is shocked.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, levelling Metropolis to save it at October 15, 2020 04:50 PM (NWM+b)

16 There is surely a prima facie case that Dorsey lied to Congress, under oath. Is there no penalty for that?

Posted by: Eeyore at October 15, 2020 04:51 PM (7X3UV)

17 Ace makes a Twitter account for ease of reading, and Twitter goes down. Coincidence?!? I THINK NOT

Posted by: ptschett at October 15, 2020 04:51 PM (zB+vL)

18 Twitter was lying to us?

Weird

I said what was unique about this election cycle was the sheer scale of the gaslighting.

Posted by: blaster at October 15, 2020 04:51 PM (ZfRYq)

19 >>>16 There is surely a prima facie case that Dorsey lied to Congress, under oath. Is there no penalty for that?
Posted by: Eeyore

Lying is only a crime if a Republican lies, or if we change our 302s to lie that he lies.

Posted by: The FBI at October 15, 2020 04:52 PM (PbpT7)

20 If it weren't for double standards, they'd have no standards at all.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 15, 2020 04:52 PM (hYcqw)

21 >>> 13

Long past time to take down the commie scum in Big Tech.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 15, 2020 04:50 PM (adzVz)

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 15, 2020 04:52 PM (/kh7m)

22 Hunter and Joe will now be known as Smokey and the Bandit.

Posted by: demoncrat at October 15, 2020 04:52 PM (7jsci)

23 Totalitarians, they really can't help themselves.

And they say Trump is a dictator

Posted by: Skip at October 15, 2020 04:52 PM (OjZpE)

24 Having 32 for Thanksgiving. GFY Fauci

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at October 15, 2020 04:53 PM (4NtsG)

25 "Gotta nuke something."

-Nelson Muntz

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at October 15, 2020 04:53 PM (3P/5p)

26 my suspicion is that more really bad stuff is going to be released from hunters stuff

so twitter will be "down" for a while to prevent us peons from disseminating it

Posted by: BlackOrchid_j9HX3 at October 15, 2020 04:53 PM (j9HX3)

27 Just like the Gilded Age, we have the best Congress money can buy.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Backstabs and Betrayals 15% Off at t The Outrage Outlet! at October 15, 2020 04:54 PM (cZjDV)

28 BTW, Twitter is down.
________

Maybe they are afraid of what they'll do next. Can't help themselves.

I wouldn't know. My only acquaintance comes from links from here and a few other sites.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 15, 2020 04:54 PM (7X3UV)

29 Willowed, but somewhat relevant because I think it is probably an example of Big Tech fuckery during the election:

I have been spammed a lot this week with GOTV messages, and most of them sail right through with no problems and show up in my messages list. There is one exception, though: GOTV messages that are associated with prior messages from Republicans (or the RNC) that were classified as spam by the system. Every single message from an R candidate or the RNC gets shunted off as spam, and every follow-up GOTV message gets the same treatment.

Out-of-the-blue GOTV messages come right through. I don't know if Android quarantines Democrat or DNC messages and GOTV follow-ups, but I sort of doubt it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 15, 2020 04:54 PM (hYcqw)

30 it's easier to just take the service down, rather than go around blocking and censoring us

they can just say "oops servers are sick"

and the result is the same

Posted by: BlackOrchid_j9HX3 at October 15, 2020 04:54 PM (j9HX3)

31 Remember, it was Facebook that first admitted they would deliberately censor and hide this story. Twitter followed up as well. Facebook needs a hefty kick in the pills as well.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2020 04:54 PM (KZzsI)

32 >>> 26 my suspicion is that more really bad stuff is going to be released from hunters stuff

so twitter will be "down" for a while to prevent us peons from disseminating it
Posted by: BlackOrchid_j9HX3 at October 15, 2020 04:53 PM (j9HX3)

Let's see the twatwaffles shut down all the cellphones in the world.

(Nothing to worry about letting CHYna run the 5G network)

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 15, 2020 04:54 PM (/kh7m)

33 Twitter is working fine for me.

Comrade.

Posted by: clutch cargo at October 15, 2020 04:54 PM (8B6Ng)

34 WHAT IS GOING ON WITH TWITTER? WILL SOMEONE PLEASE BANG MY WIFE!!

#SCARED

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg, Thought Thinker at October 15, 2020 04:54 PM (l0Dc6)

35 I'm not a lurker. I just don't have the comment output of a Miklos or Insomniac.

Posted by: Traveling Man Who's Stuck At Home. Thanks China &&&& at October 15, 2020 04:55 PM (R5lpX)

36 If they want a hacking war

Use an axe, go Lizzy Borden on them.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 15, 2020 04:55 PM (2UbHm)

37 Twitter seems to be up right now...

Posted by: Brother Tim sez: #BurnFacebookBurn at October 15, 2020 04:55 PM (OUMaO)

38 The Streisand effect on this story has been epic. If Trump wins, trying to quash this story will be like Esau selling his birthright for a bowl of lentils.

Posted by: Trich at October 15, 2020 04:55 PM (7wCmd)

39 Hackers got a hold of the House Judiciary GOP twitter account, I'm sure that's what the fine censors at Twitter determined.

Perhaps the GOP House Judiciary could debut this information on their new Parler account. Yeah, kinda doubt that.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at October 15, 2020 04:55 PM (ch6++)

40 >>>BTW, Twitter is down.

It's back up.
But I misread this as "Twitter is done," and that might be true.

Posted by: m at October 15, 2020 04:55 PM (PwDhe)

41 19 >>>16 There is surely a prima facie case that Dorsey lied to Congress, under oath. Is there no penalty for that?
Posted by: Eeyore

Lying is only a crime if a Republican lies, or if we change our 302s to lie that he lies.
Posted by: The FBI at October 15, 2020 04:52 PM (PbpT7)
_______

Seriously, is there no prescribed penalty? Can't they at least refer his perjuring ass?

Posted by: Eeyore at October 15, 2020 04:55 PM (7X3UV)

42 Turnkey Fascism - Good Phrase!

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2020 04:55 PM (Kpl3J)

43 ...just as i guessed... Kamela is getting the Covid to go with her hoohah warts.

Posted by: torabora at October 15, 2020 04:56 PM (PVUHt)

44 our own (supposedly) paid-off corporate-owned representatives have enabled it, and continue making excuses for why their supposed devotion to a corporate conception of "libertarianism" requires we go through a hundred year period of actual fascism.


I'm sensing an increasingly recurring theme in Ace's posts. Which I heartily approve of. Sweep the leg Vespa Thunder!

Posted by: Hands at October 15, 2020 04:56 PM (786Ro)

45 I blame both sides. Both sides do it

Posted by: Mr Down the Middle at October 15, 2020 04:56 PM (MBds8)

46 I hope the Trump team has a drip drip drip bombshell story drop on-deck day after day ... and they're all censored by our new fascist overlords.

Posted by: ShainS at October 15, 2020 04:56 PM (t/8pF)

47 Parler, people. Fuck Twitter.

Posted by: Brother Tim sez: @BrotherTim is on Parler at October 15, 2020 04:56 PM (OUMaO)

48 I've had it up to here (indicates a star in the distance) with Facebook slapping overlays on stories it doesn't like claiming that some insignificant detail is not exactly what they demand it be or even claim unrelated information is false that isn't even in the story.

I posted a report FROM THE CDC that the majority of cases of the Wuhan Flu are reported to have come from people who regularly wore masks.

Facebook put a "partly false" overlay on it. Why? Because, they explained, wearing a mask doesn't give you the Chinese Crud.

Well no kidding dipstick nobody said it did. But now people look at the story and think its inaccurate, when all it does is report what the CDC its self says.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2020 04:56 PM (KZzsI)

49 Actually this is a good point ace. If anyone here has twitter, post the NY POST story immediately so it fucks up their system. If you don't have twitter, sign up and do the same. You'll lose your account but who cares. Seriously I'm a programmer and ace is likely right that this level of censorship is causing issues for them.

Posted by: james at October 15, 2020 04:57 PM (PvswE)

50 Risk management probably wrote a CYA letter that says:

1] Potential legal liability exceeds the capitalization value of Twitter;
2] Twitter directors and officers face personal financial and criminal liability;3] Unable to locate any suitable countries that will not extradite and which have the capacity to stop a Marine Expeditionary Corps with full combat subpoena power.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 15, 2020 04:57 PM (KAi1n)

51 I'm way too tired to go look, but didn't the NYT very very carefully not say it had Trump's returns but rather the data from the returns? Because those are not the same things.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at October 15, 2020 04:57 PM (GbPPJ)

52 Twitter was noting the link to the NY Post story was possibly suspect. Now they're suspect.

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 15, 2020 04:57 PM (l0Dc6)

53 And just saw where Fauci wants to do away with Thanksgiving. Dude got his 15 minutes of fame at the beginning of the Covid-19 debacle and doesn't want to lose that taste of dictatorial power he got.
====

They intend to ruin the holidays.

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at October 15, 2020 04:57 PM (iydjf)

54 24 Having 32 for Thanksgiving. GFY Fauci

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at October 15, 2020 04:53 PM (4NtsG)

O
M
G!

Posted by: Tami at October 15, 2020 04:57 PM (cF8AT)

55
I hope some hacker took down Twitter for at least three days. Sheds across the Eastern seaboard will be piled with fat GOP journalists who've perished from withdrawal symptoms.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 15, 2020 04:57 PM (eXmcp)

56 The ending of Lucifer's Hammer by Dr. Jerry Pournelle and Larry Niven had the cannibal army's survivors on an island in the middle of a lake with a devout communist (and former cosmonaut) working their asses off. This is the answer for the media. Canals ain't gonna dig themselves.

Posted by: Eromero at October 15, 2020 04:57 PM (XhWtx)

57 12 And just saw where Fauci wants to do away with Thanksgiving. Dude got his 15 minutes of fame at the beginning of the Covid-19 debacle and doesn't want to lose that taste of dictatorial power he got.
Posted by: Traveling Man Who's Stuck At Home. Thanks China &&&& at October 15, 2020 04:50 PM (R5lpX)

Once the election is over, Trump can fire his ass. He doesn't dare do it before the election because Dems would make it a huge campaign issue, they would tell every retiree in the country TRUMP WANTS YOU TO DIE!!!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2020 04:57 PM (Kpl3J)

58 Big Harris-Biden NYT story:

Harris Cancels In-Person Campaigning Through Sunday After Staff Member Tests....

(I didn't access the article.)

Posted by: m at October 15, 2020 04:57 PM (PwDhe)

59 Yeah, twitter is in a hold pattern with no updating content.

Posted by: Traveling Man Who's Stuck At Home. Thanks China &&&& at October 15, 2020 04:57 PM (R5lpX)

60 Twitter isn't down for me.

Posted by: buzzion at October 15, 2020 04:57 PM (vMCab)

61 People discuss a story that harms Biden
Twitter: Ban! Ban! Ban! Suppress that story! Ban the president! Ban congress!
People discuss it even more
Twitter: F--- it! BAN EVERYONE! SHUT IT ALL DOWN!!!!!!1!1!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2020 04:57 PM (KZzsI)

62 42
Turnkey Fascism - Good Phrase!

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2020 04:55 PM (Kpl3J)

As God is my witness, I thought commies could fly.

Posted by: Arthur Carlson Pinochet at October 15, 2020 04:57 PM (KnJdm)

63 Twitter becomes unreliable

Their stock tumbles.

Dorsey becomes homeless.

Winning!

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 15, 2020 04:58 PM (2UbHm)

64 #41

You really thinking we would do anything about him?

Now just buzz off. I've got porn to watch and sexy emails to type.

Posted by: FBI at October 15, 2020 04:58 PM (PVUHt)

65 Just tried to retweet that Mollie Hemingway Tweet and was unable to do so.

Received this message:

"Twitter is over capacity. Please wait a few moments then try again."

"Over capacity"? WTF does that mean?

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at October 15, 2020 04:58 PM (Do5/p)

66 I never understood the appeal of Twitter and that's why I don't use it.

Posted by: dantesed at October 15, 2020 04:58 PM (88xKn)

67 Having 32 for Thanksgiving. GFY Fauci

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at October 15, 2020 04:53 PM (4NtsG)
+++++++++++
Big crowd! Have a blast!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 15, 2020 04:58 PM (hYcqw)

68 "29 Willowed, but somewhat relevant because I think it is probably an example of Big Tech fuckery during the election:

I have been spammed a lot this week with GOTV messages, and most of them sail right through with no problems and show up in my messages list. There is one exception, though: GOTV messages that are associated with prior messages from Republicans (or the RNC) that were classified as spam by the system. Every single message from an R candidate or the RNC gets shunted off as spam, and every follow-up GOTV message gets the same treatment.

Out-of-the-blue GOTV messages come right through. I don't know if Android quarantines Democrat or DNC messages and GOTV follow-ups, but I sort of doubt it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 15, 2020 04:54 PM (hYcqw) "



Good catch !

on my main email account, of 5 spams, 1 was from Ted Cruz, one from Lindsey Graham ... both fundraising, but still ...

gonna keep checking other ones.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at October 15, 2020 04:58 PM (KGlll)

69 Eff Twatter. Burn it to the ground, salt the earth.

Posted by: cccp3o at October 15, 2020 04:58 PM (TQ2jO)

70 There might be even sucides along with all the other regular sucides.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at October 15, 2020 04:58 PM (mFjHy)

71 27 Just like the Gilded Age, we have the best Congress money can buy.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Backstabs and Betrayals 15% Off at t The Outrage Outlet! at October 15, 2020 04:54 PM (cZjDV)
________

But back then they had better meals. And more fun. And, thanks to no A/C, less Congress.

Maybe we should ban A/C in DC (and the surrounding counties). For the environment. And of course, for the children. At least, the kids they haven't raped yet.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 15, 2020 04:58 PM (7X3UV)

72 12 And just saw where Fauci wants to do away with Thanksgiving. Dude got his 15 minutes of fame at the beginning of the Covid-19 debacle and doesn't want to lose that taste of dictatorial power he got.

Posted by: Traveling Man Who's Stuck At Home. Thanks China &&&& at October 15, 2020 04:50 PM (R5lpX)


FOX radio said he was "spreading the information".

You mean, like a virus?

Posted by: Braenyard at October 15, 2020 04:58 PM (vEZXe)

73 50% of my posting and news gathering is on AoS.

Posted by: MAGA (I got rabies for Trump) at October 15, 2020 04:58 PM (1soIw)

74 23...
And they say Trump is a dictator
Posted by: Skip at October 15, 2020 04:52 PM (OjZpE)

"Projection."

Posted by: Flyover at October 15, 2020 04:59 PM (Rbu5d)

75 IF Trump can close the election deal then it will get spicy EVERYday in every way for the social media tech giants.

The tech moguls are so used to buying their safety they will have no effective defense from a guy who wont accept their money.

Prediction: tech giant pain.



Posted by: Voter theater. at October 15, 2020 04:59 PM (xXx5y)

76 I never understood the appeal of Twitter and that's why I don't use it.

Every writing site in the last 15 years has claimed that if you build a "platform" of follwers and fans on social media, it helps sell your product.

Hasn't made a damned bit of difference for me, but maybe I'm doing it wrong.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2020 04:59 PM (KZzsI)

77 42 Turnkey Fascism - Good Phrase!

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2020 04:55 PM (Kpl3J)

__________


Agreed. We've gone from crony capitalism to crony socialism to crony fascism ... all consistent with The Iron Law of Oligarchy.

Posted by: ShainS at October 15, 2020 04:59 PM (t/8pF)

78 And this story about 12 times Twitter allowed exactly what it's claiming it's banning NY POst from doing , this story links to the Federalist. Is the Federalist the outfit that no longer can make revenue from ads because it was held liable for it commenter's comments? Some progtard blew the whisltle on that, or was is Twitter?

Posted by: Hands at October 15, 2020 04:59 PM (786Ro)

79 15 U.S. Code 1:
Every contract, combination in the form of trust or otherwise, or
conspiracy, in restraint of trade or commerce among the several States,
or with foreign nations, is declared to be illegal. Every person who
shall make any contract or engage in any combination or conspiracy
hereby declared to be illegal shall be deemed guilty of a felony, and,
on conviction thereof, shall be punished by fine not exceeding
$100,000,000 if a corporation, or, if any other person, $1,000,000, or
by imprisonment not exceeding 10 years, or by both said punishments, in
the discretion of the court.


Posted by: An Observation at October 15, 2020 04:59 PM (d2ozz)

80 >>>66 I never understood the appeal of Twitter and that's why I don't use it.

Fat shut-ins use it to try to get nudes from unattractive groupies

so it's very glamorous, you know

Posted by: Vespa Thunder at October 15, 2020 05:00 PM (PbpT7)

81 Give Fauci a good old namshub

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 15, 2020 05:00 PM (2UbHm)

82 did we crash twitter?

Posted by: MJC at October 15, 2020 05:00 PM (SBpUe)

83 I get a "twitter is over capacity" note when I try to retweet something.

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 15, 2020 05:00 PM (l0Dc6)

84 BTW, Twitter is down.

If only there was one more word there -- forever.

Also, I want a pony.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 15, 2020 05:00 PM (Z4rgH)

85 Thinking Kameltoe has fear of Covid-19 ( she is just claiming a associate has it), to hide like Sundowner

Posted by: Skip at October 15, 2020 05:00 PM (OjZpE)

86 65 Just tried to retweet that Mollie Hemingway Tweet and was unable to do so.

Received this message:

"Twitter is over capacity. Please wait a few moments then try again."

"Over capacity"? WTF does that mean?
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at October 15, 2020 04:58 PM (Do5/p)
________

If Tom and Jonah are on at the same time, that's a lot of bandwidth, I guess. And poundage.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 15, 2020 05:00 PM (7X3UV)

87 Remember back in early September when we were told that the model predicted 400,000 dead by January 1st?

Now, five weeks later that same model predicts 348,000

Surely the news will cover this important improvement in our health outlook...

current model prediction in link

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at October 15, 2020 05:00 PM (RtUBS)

88 #38 - back in the old days when the NYT set the agenda and there were only 3 networks they actually had more control over the narrative.

Despite the best efforts of the Tech Lords the system is even leakier than before.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Backstabs and Betrayals 15% Off at t The Outrage Outlet! at October 15, 2020 05:00 PM (cZjDV)

89 "Facebook hasn't shut down the Post yet, but it's censored the news."

I can still read the stories at NYP, and any of hundreds of other websites. They haven't been censored. TwitFace is just refusing to carry content they don't want, same as AoSHQ refuses to carry content it doesn't want. If AoSHQ doesn't run a story by source X, does that mean that AoSHQ is "censoring" X?

Believe me, I _wish_ we lived in a unicorn world where ALL websites would voluntarily allow ALL content, and where every web operator was pure and above-board in their dealings. But I think it's _essential_ that websites have the right to control the content they carry, and I think that asking the government to force unwanted content on unwilling sites is a prescription for perdition.

Posted by: It's OK To Be gp at October 15, 2020 05:00 PM (qpX6U)

90 There are rules in play here. The GOPe, which however you want to parse it, is "our" party, does not have the rule book, or, more likely, doesn't like or care about said rules.

Graft, grift, kickbacks, whatever you want to call it is all the Republicans care about. The posturing in the "halls of congress" is just that, posturing.

They give no fucks about us.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 15, 2020 05:01 PM (3H9h1)

91 Posted by: m at October 15, 2020 04:55 PM (PwDhe)

Not for me. Keeps saying something went wrong and that I don't have any interactions yet.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at October 15, 2020 05:01 PM (uquGJ)

92 Just listen to us, we know what's best for you.

Oh, we do need you to bend over one more time, just to be sure.

Posted by: These Media Twats at October 15, 2020 05:01 PM (DFZnL)

93 BTW, Twitter is down.

I wonder if it's because they've banned and censored so many posts and users that the system is running slow.

Posted by: Ace at 05:48 PM


Holy cow I thought I had finally managed to piss them off. Maybe @jack got stoned and pulled the plug.

Posted by: Joncelli the nomad at October 15, 2020 05:01 PM (1FhAQ)

94 Joe Mannix @29:
I have had the same thing happen to me in the last week. Received a text message from an entity here in NM about candidates for local races (State House, Senate). Was flagged as spam. I did nothing with it except read it. A day later, that message along with a follow-up are in my spam folder. Just Android/Google being 'helpful', I guess.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at October 15, 2020 05:01 PM (tW76d)

95 Wow!

- The guys at Enron, the smartest guys in the room.

Posted by: Archer at October 15, 2020 05:02 PM (gmo/4)

96 >>> Out-of-the-blue GOTV messages come right through. I don't know if Android quarantines Democrat or DNC messages and GOTV follow-ups, but I sort of doubt it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 15, 2020 04:54 PM (hYcqw)

======

My phone has been hit with text like never before from the GOP with absentee request links, vote early...etc. I don't mind. Glad to see they're doing what they need to do.

Posted by: Swingin' for the downs at October 15, 2020 05:02 PM (umQHI)

97 28 BTW, Twitter is down.
________

Maybe they are afraid of what they'll do next. Can't help themselves.

I wouldn't know. My only acquaintance comes from links from here and a few other sites.
Posted by: Eeyore at October 15, 2020 04:54 PM (7X3UV)


So, at least temporarily, Twitter stopped digging.

Probably the smartest thing they've done in a while.

Wonder what subset of tweets will remain when they go back online?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 15, 2020 05:03 PM (sy5kK)

98 TwitFace is just refusing to carry content they don't want, same as AoSHQ refuses to carry content it doesn't want. If AoSHQ doesn't run a story by source X, does that mean that AoSHQ is "censoring" X?

The key here is a legal one. These platforms are currently protected legally under a certain kind of laws which they are blatantly and repeatedly violating, demonstrating them to be another kind of operation.

Its like an advertising firm that sells tacos and does no actual advertising or design of ads. They claim this so they don't have to follow the rules of food services. That would be a legal violation that has nothing to do with free speech

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2020 05:03 PM (KZzsI)

99 9 BTW, Twitter is down.

I wonder if it's because they've banned and censored so many posts and users that the system is running slow.

Posted by: Ace at 05:48 PM


We wuz hacked!
Posted by: Twitter at October 15, 2020 04:49 PM (kHg6S)


________



Putin and his puppet Trump have unleashed the Russian bots and the Macedonian content farmers!

Posted by: ShainS at October 15, 2020 05:03 PM (eLMnJ)

100 Rod Dreher has a new book out, about Christians in our new totalitarian state: Live Not by Lies: A Manual for Christian Dissidents

It got a good review on a trustworthy site, so I bought 2 copies.
Kind of timely, considering.

Posted by: Sal at October 15, 2020 05:03 PM (KTdeA)

101
Maybe the weaponized autists at 4Chan are unleashing their kraken of botnets on Twitter servers.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at October 15, 2020 05:03 PM (rCwaK)

102 91 Posted by: m at October 15, 2020 04:55 PM (PwDhe)

Not for me. Keeps saying something went wrong and that I don't have any interactions yet.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at October 15, 2020 05:01 PM (uquGJ)

I'm *reading* Twitter sites, but now that I'm looking for recent updates, no, those aren't happening. So . . . I don't know what that means.

Posted by: m at October 15, 2020 05:04 PM (PwDhe)

103 I see Tim Pool discovered the Biden Animal Crossing Island special.

The pedo is coming with a Biden presidency.

Posted by: clutch cargo at October 15, 2020 05:04 PM (8B6Ng)

104 Twitter has called a lid for the day.

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 15, 2020 05:04 PM (l0Dc6)

105 I HAVE DECODED TWITTER!!!!


It's a cookbook.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at October 15, 2020 05:04 PM (LWu6U)

106
Just switch to Parler everybody!

* Fast-forward: 1 year later after the lefties take over Parler and chase non lefties off it *

Just switch to Gab everybody!

* Fast-forward: 1 year later . . . *

Posted by: Hands at October 15, 2020 05:04 PM (786Ro)

107 @Posobiec 49 minutes ago

WH source texts, "This Scully thing has the boss completely fired up. The leash is off tonight."

(That's from Parler)

Posted by: Tami at October 15, 2020 05:04 PM (cF8AT)

108 That's different because 'Shut up' they said.

Posted by: zeera I should be writing right now at October 15, 2020 05:05 PM (zUdXR)

109
I suppose if everyone's shut off, it gives them a few hours to muck out the Augean stable they've utterly befouled since yesterday. Let's 'em catch up to the backlog.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 15, 2020 05:05 PM (eXmcp)

110 I think Fauci is on the chopping block, but Trump has to win of course. I definitely know Wray is going to get dildo ass pounded out the door if Trump wins.

Honey Badger Trump Part 2 is going to be

Lit

As

Boinks

Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Amy Coney Barrett's Hoochie Coochie Plush Toy at October 15, 2020 05:05 PM (+dsLj)

111 "100 Rod Dreher has a new book out, about Christians in our new totalitarian state: Live Not by Lies: A Manual for Christian Dissidents

It got a good review on a trustworthy site, so I bought 2 copies.
Kind of timely, considering.

Posted by: Sal at October 15, 2020 05:03 PM (KTdeA) "



Good short essay by Solzhenitsyn with that title, too.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at October 15, 2020 05:05 PM (KGlll)

112 Having 32 for Thanksgiving. GFY Fauci

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at October 15, 2020 04:53 PM (4NtsG)



The twirp is just pissed because his daughter said they won't visit him on Thanksgiving. "To keep him safe." Sure girls. That's it. Now he's saying that everyone should not get together on Thanksgiving.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 15, 2020 05:06 PM (5q2DO)

113 I hope something is actually done.

Posted by: Piratepatch at October 15, 2020 05:06 PM (2Xrky)

114 Twitter's obituary

Twas not Trump that killed it but hubris.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 15, 2020 05:06 PM (2UbHm)

115 BTW, Twitter is down.

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Hopefully permanently.

Posted by: Decaf at October 15, 2020 05:06 PM (nL4fk)

116 Come on, Ace, don't look at this like it's a bad thing. This is what winning looks like.

Yes, the left and Big Tech (BIRM) are doing treachery, because they are! But they're not getting away with it. I know you know it takes a long crawl to get to justice, and there are powerful, monied entities aligned against the change you seek, but we've known that all along.

Gopes have to get the pointy ends of sticks and swords jabbed at them to get them to move. And once Trump wins, that's what needs to come next.

Until then, let the left show who they are. Either the American people fundamentally reject it, or we know how far gone we are. Makes the next step easier. Whichever way it goes.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 15, 2020 05:06 PM (hku12)

117 I smoke my pot in Pentagon Papers.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 15, 2020 05:06 PM (63Dwl)

118 Twitter's obituary

Twas not Trump that killed it but hubris.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 15, 2020 05:06 PM (2UbHm)


Don't forget that blonde tart. She had something to do with it too.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 15, 2020 05:07 PM (hku12)

119 Fauci is like a case of Herpes you can't just fire him because he'll flare up on the news over and over criticizing the president for every decision and being treated like the God King of medicine.

How, exactly, Trump can be a complete failure who personally killed 200000 people and Fauchi is right hand medical man is a hero completely baffles me.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2020 05:07 PM (KZzsI)

120 WH source texts, "This Scully thing has the boss completely fired up. The leash is off tonight."

************

Trump's latest tweets are en fuego

Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Amy Coney Barrett's Hoochie Coochie Plush Toy at October 15, 2020 05:07 PM (+dsLj)

121
I'm not as learned and informed on history as you guys are.

Has there ever been a time or country in history in which oppression and fascism was undone by legislation and the courts?

I mean, I agree that Twitter should be able to be sued and is fascist, but would it really make a difference if the government told them not to censor conservatives?

Isn't it really gonna take something other than legislation in the end?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 15, 2020 05:07 PM (IPw66)

122 I'm *reading* Twitter sites, but now that I'm looking for recent updates, no, those aren't happening. So . . . I don't know what that means.

Posted by: m at October 15, 2020 05:04 PM (PwDhe)


They are deleting files as fast as they can.
YUGE router/server spinning crash that wipes archives out.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 15, 2020 05:07 PM (vEZXe)

123
BTW, Twitter is down.
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I'm able to read tweets.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 15, 2020 05:07 PM (63Dwl)

124 Twitter also won't let me tweet or retweet saying it is over capacity.

My guess is they are working on their censoring upgrade...

10/9/20 Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election
https://tinyurl.com/yyyjuazp

In addition to these prompts, we will now add additional warnings and restrictions on Tweets with a misleading information label from US political figures (including candidates and campaign accounts), US-based accounts with more than 100,000 followers, or that obtain significant engagement. People must tap through a warning to see these Tweets, and then will only be able to Quote Tweet; likes, Retweets and replies will be turned off, and these Tweets won't be algorithmically recommended by Twitter. We expect this will further reduce the visibility of misleading information, and will encourage people to reconsider if they want to amplify these Tweets.

Encouraging more consideration

Beginning October 20 through at least the end of Election week in the US, when we will assess their continued necessity, we will also introduce the following changes globally to Twitter:

First, we will encourage people to add their own commentary prior to amplifying content by prompting them to Quote Tweet instead of Retweet. People who go to Retweet will be brought to the Quote Tweet composer where they'll be encouraged to comment before sending their Tweet. Though this adds some extra friction for those who simply want to Retweet, we hope it will encourage everyone to not only consider why they are amplifying a Tweet, but also increase the likelihood that people add their own thoughts, reactions and perspectives to the conversation. If people don't add anything on the Quote Tweet composer, it will still appear as a Retweet. We will begin testing this change on Twitter.com for some people beginning today.

Second, we will prevent "liked by" and "followed by" recommendations from people you don't follow from showing up in your timeline and won't send notifications for these Tweets. These recommendations can be a helpful way for people to see relevant conversations from outside of their network, but we are removing them because we don't believe the "Like" button provides sufficient, thoughtful consideration prior to amplifying Tweets to people who don't follow the author of the Tweet, or the relevant topic that the Tweet is about. This will likely slow down how quickly Tweets from accounts and topics you don't follow can reach you, which we believe is a worthwhile sacrifice to encourage more thoughtful and explicit amplification.

Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at October 15, 2020 05:08 PM (FBrfY)

125 My SIL canceled Thanksgiving. Her house, her decision.

We might have a nice day a deux
The last time we did that for Thanksgiving, I had given him a slight concussion by forgetting to shut a cabinet door so we couldn't travel.

Posted by: Sal at October 15, 2020 05:08 PM (KTdeA)

126 ... a Marine Expeditionary Corps with full combat subpoena power.
Posted by: SFGoth at October 15, 2020 04:57 PM (KAi1n)


Will this be live-streamed?

Please?

Posted by: Mostly Peaceful Grognard at October 15, 2020 05:08 PM (b3x5S)

127 Eeyore: "There is surely a prima facie case that Dorsey lied to Congress, under oath. Is there no penalty for that?"

No, there isn't.

A crime never prosecuted is, for all intents and purposes, null and void.

For an institution that crows about law and order and law, they sure like to not follow it when the tires hit the pavement.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at October 15, 2020 05:08 PM (HhXSr)

128 I think Fauci is on the chopping block, but Trump has to win of course. I definitely know Wray is going to get dildo ass pounded out the door if Trump wins.

---------------

Why not fire them now and please his voters. I think firing Wray would be universally applauded seeing as how the FBI has behaved in the Hunter Biden computer scandal.

Posted by: Decaf at October 15, 2020 05:08 PM (nL4fk)

129 SARA PALINS EMAILS

Posted by: Mr pink at October 15, 2020 05:09 PM (yEpXL)

130
Has there ever been a time or country in history in which oppression and fascism was undone by legislation and the courts?

Gabriel over the White House.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 15, 2020 05:09 PM (63Dwl)

131 I can still read the stories at NYP, and any of hundreds of other websites. They haven't been censored. TwitFace is just refusing to carry content they don't want, same as AoSHQ refuses to carry content it doesn't want. If AoSHQ doesn't run a story by source X, does that mean that AoSHQ is "censoring" X?

Believe me, I _wish_ we lived in a unicorn world where ALL websites would voluntarily allow ALL content, and where every web operator was pure and above-board in their dealings. But I think it's _essential_ that websites have the right to control the content they carry, and I think that asking the government to force unwanted content on unwilling sites is a prescription for perdition.
Posted by: It's OK To Be gp at October 15, 2020 05:00 PM (qpX6U)

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Hey ass, that ain't Ace's argument.

Posted by: MAGA (I got rabies for Trump) at October 15, 2020 05:09 PM (1soIw)

132 48...
Facebook slapping overlays on stories it doesn't like ...
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2020 04:56 PM (KZzsI)

YT does the same with "climate change" and Wuflu.

Posted by: Flyover at October 15, 2020 05:09 PM (Rbu5d)

133 Twitter is more flaccid than Hunter after a week long meth bender

Posted by: Buffalo Bill at October 15, 2020 05:09 PM (BDQo0)

134 WHAT IS GOING ON WITH TWITTER? WILL SOMEONE PLEASE BANG MY WIFE!!

#SCARED
Posted by: Jonah Goldberg, Thought Thinker at October 15, 2020 04:54 PM (l0Dc6)



Early thread winner

Posted by: Hands at October 15, 2020 05:09 PM (786Ro)

135 I just deleted my Twitter account with 200+ followers, I bet they just can't handle it.

Posted by: sharksauce at October 15, 2020 05:09 PM (DFZnL)

136
Jim Jordan to the rescue
Jim Jordan to the rescue
Jim Jordan is on the scene
Jim Jordan be talking tough and mean
Social media donchu dare
Jim Jordan gwanna make you care

Jim Jordan on Fox tonight
Jim Jordan gwanna make it right.


yea. Fvck Jim Jordan.

Posted by: BluesFish at October 15, 2020 05:09 PM (WQZ1O)

137 But I think it's _essential_ that websites have the right to control the content they carry, and I think that asking the government to force unwanted content on unwilling sites is a prescription for perdition.
Posted by: It's OK To Be gp at October 15, 2020 05:00 PM (qpX6U)

Respectfully, why that point is Wrong: We are already IN Perdition, the Far Left has absolute control over all Large Scale Social Networking Sites. It is *WORSE* than Government Control, it is Control by a small but very ideological group of billionaires who dedicated to the destruction of the social fabric of this country.

And I do not mandate "Forcing" them to carry content, I am fine with shutting them down completely if they attempt to use their power to take over the country, the way they are doing.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2020 05:09 PM (Kpl3J)

138 How, exactly, Trump can be a complete failure who personally killed 200000 people and Fauchi is right hand medical man is a hero completely baffles me.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

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Who, iirc, was pissed off recently because Trump pointed out that he had stated publicly that he didn't know of any way the president could have done a better job in his response.

Posted by: Undercover Brother is the third monkey at October 15, 2020 05:09 PM (d6YI3)

139 Levin saying a Sundowner Joe staffer has Covid-19, of course no one asking if they were mask wearers

Posted by: Skip at October 15, 2020 05:10 PM (OjZpE)

140 humor from Iowahawk:

Dave Burge aka Iowahawk
@karmasjanitor
·
2h
Steve Scully: *makes embarrassing tweet* I wuz hacked
Twitter: DEFCON 1 SCRAMBLE SCRAMBLE
FBI: ASSEMBLE CYBERCRIME TEAM ALPHA

Dave Burge: I wuz hacked
Twitter:
Twitter:
Twitter:
Twitter:
Twitter:
Twitter:
Twitter:

Posted by: m at October 15, 2020 05:10 PM (PwDhe)

141 RE: Twitter is down


THIS IS HOW 'RED DAWN' STARTED!

Posted by: Serious Cat at October 15, 2020 05:10 PM (700n7)

142 Testes

Posted by: Joncelli the nomad at October 15, 2020 05:10 PM (1FhAQ)

143 yea. Fvck Jim Jordan.
Posted by: BluesFish at October 15, 2020 05:09 PM (WQZ1O)

and Fvck fakeFox

Posted by: Gilded at October 15, 2020 05:10 PM (BRkq2)

144 FoxNews reports that twitter is down.

And sure enough, it is.

Posted by: JAS at October 15, 2020 05:11 PM (2BZBZ)

145 Twitter seems to be up right now...

Meth.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at October 15, 2020 05:11 PM (3P/5p)

146 Why not fire them now and please his voters. I think firing Wray would be universally applauded seeing as how the FBI has behaved in the Hunter Biden computer scandal.
Posted by: Decaf at October 15, 2020 05:08 PM (nL4fk)

No No NO, Hunter and Joe are now the focus, don't change the focus!!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2020 05:11 PM (Kpl3J)

147 I think needs to let the censorship stuff, be taken care by his allies. Hunter also. Let it fester
Organically. Tell american people about the economy and other positive policy issues. Also let the american people know that Kamala would be a unelected radical president.

Posted by: Jonah at October 15, 2020 05:11 PM (zNjsG)

148 It will really be lit if the Wuhan Flu puts Joey and Kamala six feet under.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 15, 2020 05:11 PM (2UbHm)

149 But I think it's _essential_ that websites have the right to control the content they carry, and I think that asking the government to force unwanted content on unwilling sites is a prescription for perdition.

-

They can carry or edit anything they want. They just have to give up the laws protecting them from slander, libel, whatever and the associated lawsuits.

Unlike ace and the HQ, they are protected.

Posted by: Undercover Brother is the third monkey at October 15, 2020 05:11 PM (d6YI3)

150 Twitter is down?

does she spit or swallow?

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 15, 2020 05:11 PM (W2Pud)

151 One "aw shit" wipes out a hundred "atta boys."

Posted by: JAS at October 15, 2020 05:12 PM (2BZBZ)

152 >>> yea. Fvck Jim Jordan.
Posted by: BluesFish at October 15, 2020 05:09 PM (WQZ1O)

====

Jim who?

Posted by: Dan Gable at October 15, 2020 05:12 PM (umQHI)

153 I smoke my pot in Pentagon Papers.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 15, 2020 05:06 PM

Great marketing idea! I prefer to roll it up with Federalist papers.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist at October 15, 2020 05:12 PM (OssQ4)

154 it's not censorship-censorship

Posted by: WHoopi at October 15, 2020 05:12 PM (BDQo0)

155
Twitter seems to be up right now...

Twitter can thank Bob Dole later...

Posted by: Bob Dole at October 15, 2020 05:12 PM (DUIap)

156 Twitter was that skinny model from the 60s, right?

Posted by: Pug Mahon at October 15, 2020 05:12 PM (xPJvm)

157 Twitter being down isn't accidental

Posted by: It's me donna at October 15, 2020 05:12 PM (Zmnko)

158 Fox is almost as bad as twitter these days

Posted by: Jonah at October 15, 2020 05:12 PM (zNjsG)

159 "The key here is a legal one. These platforms are currently protected legally under a certain kind of laws which they are blatantly and repeatedly violating, demonstrating them to be another kind of operation."

IANAL. Do you mean another kind of operation than AoSHQ? One difference is that they require registration with terms of service. I assume their terms of service allow them to shut down a user at their sole discretion.

The other difference I see is scale. We're mad because we (conservatives) don't control the culture like the #wokesters do. Our footprint is tiny; the footprint of the totalitarians is huge. So we point at them and say "Unfair! Censorship! Monopoly!"

All these websites are just places where random yahoos get together and pool their ignorance publicly. Right now, the biggest watering holes attract the biggest yahoo population. It's not like the phone company, which serves private conversations between voluntary parties. The web watering holes are open for everybody to read; there is no privacy to speak of.

Again, I wish we hadn't lost the culture to the commies so many years ago. Siccing the government to try to fix our corrupt culture is a bad bad idea.

Posted by: It's OK To Be gp at October 15, 2020 05:12 PM (qpX6U)

160 Nothing quite cleanses like fire.

Posted by: Archer at October 15, 2020 05:12 PM (gmo/4)

161 Rod Dreher has a new book out, about Christians in our new totalitarian state: Live Not by Lies: A Manual for Christian Dissidents

It got a good review on a trustworthy site, so I bought 2 copies.
Kind of timely, considering.
Posted by: Sal


He was interviewed on the First Things podcast on Ricochet last week.

Link in my nic, if anyone is interested.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 15, 2020 05:12 PM (ttBFI)

162 >>>66 I never understood the appeal of Twitter and that's why I don't use it.

Fat shut-ins use it to try to get nudes from unattractive groupies

so it's very glamorous, you know

Posted by: Vespa Thunder at October 15, 2020 05:00 PM (PbpT7)

HEY! I'm right here!!

Posted by: fat shut-in with fabulous shoes at October 15, 2020 05:13 PM (zkS5c)

163 No No NO, Hunter and Joe are now the focus, don't change the focus!!!

This guy gets it. The dems are probably frantically trying to come up with a topper to get this off the front page and justify their ignoring it

Posted by: artemis at October 15, 2020 05:13 PM (AwPyG)

164 I mean, I agree that Twitter should be able to be sued and is fascist, but would it really make a difference if the government told them not to censor conservatives?

Isn't it really gonna take something other than legislation in the end?

--------------

Yes, political will.

Posted by: Decaf at October 15, 2020 05:13 PM (nL4fk)

165 101
Maybe the weaponized autists at 4Chan are unleashing their kraken of botnets on Twitter servers.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at October 15, 2020 05:03 PM (rCwaK)
===

I just thank God those people are on our side. They're trolling of Shia Laboeuf was absolutely legendary.

Posted by: Augustine at October 15, 2020 05:13 PM (Alp4m)

166 Got a feeling 8chan is flexing on Twitter right now...

Posted by: CUE at October 15, 2020 05:13 PM (BDQo0)

167 They unintentionally tilted the Presidential race in Trump's favor by going full retard. It put a spot light on a story everybody already should have known about.

Posted by: Blago at October 15, 2020 05:13 PM (gkdnV)

168 139 Levin saying a Sundowner Joe staffer has Covid-19, of course no one asking if they were mask wearers
Posted by: Skip at October 15, 2020 05:10 PM (OjZpE)
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The reporters don't want Joe or BJ available for interviews. It's an awkward time to not ask about the Biden crime ring.

Posted by: Gilded at October 15, 2020 05:13 PM (BRkq2)

169 On a fun note another of those Democrats please come out of your depression and vote billboards just went up locally. Yep they are really confident of Michigan and are using weapons grade persuasion (sarc)

Posted by: Piratepatch at October 15, 2020 05:13 PM (2Xrky)

170 *their*

Posted by: Augustine at October 15, 2020 05:13 PM (Alp4m)

171 160 Nothing quite cleanses like fire.
Posted by: Archer at October 15, 2020 05:12 PM (gmo/4)

---

An EMP would suffice.

Posted by: SMH at October 15, 2020 05:14 PM (RU4sa)

172 158 Fox is almost as bad as twitter these days

I watch Tucker and the crawler looks just like it's coming from CNN while Tucker is saying pretty much the opposite

Posted by: It's me donna at October 15, 2020 05:14 PM (Zmnko)

173 Business Insider has a story about a Twitter outage--which I would have to turn off my AdBlocker to read.

Posted by: m at October 15, 2020 05:14 PM (PwDhe)

174 Biden crew member got the Kung Flu. I hope all recovers, but they are hyocrites for sure

Posted by: Jonah at October 15, 2020 05:14 PM (zNjsG)

175 They intend to ruin the holidays.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at October 15, 2020 04:57 PM (iydjf)


Like clockwork.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 15, 2020 05:14 PM (hGohp)

176 Okay. Still have testicles. Let us work from here.

Posted by: Joncelli the nomad at October 15, 2020 05:14 PM (1FhAQ)

177 Posted by: It's OK To Be gp at October 15, 2020 05:00 PM (qpX6U)

You have missed the point pretty spectacularly.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2020 05:14 PM (xT2tT)

178 "And I do not mandate "Forcing" them to carry content, I am fine with shutting them down completely if they attempt to use their power to take over the country, the way they are doing."

Well then you'd also be letting the govt shut down AoSHQ, Bongino, Gateway Pundit, and all the other hundreds of sites that are running the Biden scandal stories. It's a bad way to deal with this problem.

Posted by: It's OK To Be gp at October 15, 2020 05:14 PM (qpX6U)

179 Did no one get my joke? Let me try again.

I have finally decoded the rest of the text in Twitter's mission satatement "To server Man"

It's a cookbok!

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at October 15, 2020 05:14 PM (LWu6U)

180 >> But I think it's _essential_ that websites have the right to control the content they carry, and I think that asking the government to force unwanted content on unwilling sites is a prescription for perdition.

I agree with you. However, calling Twitter "one website" is like calling Exxon a "gas station".

Twitter is a monopoly on, what do you call it, "tweeting" market. There is no competition. Any attempts to come up with an alternate "tweeting" service have been crushed. That crushing is one by and oligopolistic cabal of the Big Tech giants, who have monopolies in their various markets.

Google has a monopoly on internet searching and controls just about all the advertising deriving from it. Facebook is a monopoly on whatever you call the Facebook service.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at October 15, 2020 05:14 PM (rCwaK)

181 171 160 Nothing quite cleanses like fire.
Posted by: Archer at October 15, 2020 05:12 PM (gmo/4)


I beg to differ

Posted by: sweet meteor of death at October 15, 2020 05:15 PM (W2Pud)

182 Twitter is probably just giving its servers a tune up before Joe's town hall tonight.

Trump's town hall will be broadcast live on NBC, MSNBC and CNBC, and available for streaming on NBC's online platforms.

Biden will get an extra half hour for his town hall, broadcast live on ABC and streaming on ABC's online platforms.

It will also be available for streaming on YouTubeTV, Hulu, Sling, Facebook and Twitter.

Posted by: Gaelic Girl at October 15, 2020 05:15 PM (5FCda)

183 Thinking of seeing a little of both town halls tonight, want to compare crowds.

Posted by: Skip at October 15, 2020 05:15 PM (OjZpE)

184 172. Right. The ticker with their bogus polls

Posted by: Jonah at October 15, 2020 05:15 PM (zNjsG)

185 The NYT published classified info gleefully on its front page during the Bush years.

And Bush did nothing about it.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 15, 2020 05:15 PM (oVJmc)

186 ...Also let the american people know that Kamala would be a unelected radical president.
Posted by: Jonah at October 15, 2020 05:11 PM (zNjsG)


This is something that other members of the GOPe should have been putting out there for weeks. It's obvious, but most people aren't capable of thinking that far ahead.

Trump really seems to be fighting this battle alone.

Posted by: clutch cargo at October 15, 2020 05:15 PM (8B6Ng)

187 Warning: this link may be unsafe

_______



Safetyism -- a term coined by a couple years ago by Matthew Lesh -- is the latest Marxist denomination in the Church of Leftism (like environmentalism, feminism, secularism, et. al.) in their quest to indoctrinate all and eventually rule the masses.

Posted by: ShainS at October 15, 2020 05:15 PM (kLCSX)

188 Another channel that YouTube deleted was one called Mouthy Buddha. He had a multi-part series on Pedogate and he had just announced part 4 coming October 26.

Posted by: Augustine at October 15, 2020 05:16 PM (Alp4m)

189 One may posit that Jim Jordan's talk to action ratio is inverse to his days as a wrestler.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 15, 2020 05:16 PM (vEZXe)

190 Nothing quite cleanses like fire.
Posted by: Archer at October 15, 2020 05:12 PM (gmo/4)


Bullets and buckshot are a close second, IMO.

Posted by: Mostly Peaceful Grognard at October 15, 2020 05:16 PM (b3x5S)

191 "The link you are trying to access has been identified by Twitter or our partners as being potentially spammy"

Spammy. Sweet saltating Jeebus in a sampan. Spam is junk mail. The link is to a website, not to your mail client. So it isn't spam, even if you want to see everyone who isn't on the Left boiled in bitumen and mummified. And spam is a noxious if unavoidable neologism, which need not compound its novelty by becoming an adjective.

However everything nowadays has to sound like a 22 year old said it.

Posted by: some guy out west at October 15, 2020 05:16 PM (XpDOS)

192 Lava cleanses like fire.

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 15, 2020 05:16 PM (l0Dc6)

193 They are deleting files as fast as they can.
YUGE router/server spinning crash that wipes archives out.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 15, 2020 05:07 PM (vEZXe)

----------------

They can delete all they want, I understand the Library of Congress is archiving all tweets for posterity. Of course, LOC could also go rogue and start deleting to protect their preferred party and their enablers. No government entity deserves even a smidgin of trust after what we have seen.

Posted by: Decaf at October 15, 2020 05:16 PM (nL4fk)

194 Also late commenting but Biden is a shitty dad. No wonder hunter is such a depressed screw up. Who makes their kids participate in pay for play and a shield for deniability while demanding a 50% kick back. Thats pure evil. Biden is a child abuser. I almost wonder if abandoning 3 lap tops to discovery was a cry for help.

Posted by: Piratepatch at October 15, 2020 05:17 PM (2Xrky)

195 Twitter is down? What are people supposed to do, run around in the streets and call people nazis to their faces?

Posted by: josephistan at October 15, 2020 05:17 PM (Izzlo)

196 Breaking: Romney is a YES on ACB.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 15, 2020 05:17 PM (22mNy)

197 160. Yes . Danerus and Drogon felt that way also

Posted by: Jonah at October 15, 2020 05:17 PM (zNjsG)

198 I mean, I agree that Twitter should be able to be
sued and is fascist, but would it really make a difference if the
government told them not to censor conservatives?



Isn't it really gonna take something other than legislation in the end?



--------------



Yes, political will.

Posted by: Decaf at October 15, 2020 05:13 PM (nL4fk)


Something in a nice building storming, wasting the inhabitants, and using the severed hands to access the bank accounts has a good ring to it. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at October 15, 2020 05:18 PM (9Om/r)

199 What are the chances that ABC townhall with Slo Joe ask him tough questions about the Biden Family Corruption?

{ } 0%
{ } Less than 0%
{ } When Hell freezes over.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 15, 2020 05:18 PM (r+sAi)

200 RE: Twitter is down

Has anyone tried calling Twitter HQ and reported the outage? They probably already know but it can't hurt to make sure.

Posted by: Serious Cat at October 15, 2020 05:18 PM (700n7)

201 Joe Mannix: "Every single message from an R candidate or the RNC gets shunted off as spam, and every follow-up GOTV message gets the same treatment."

Been happening for months. MONTHS! And I don't go through Android to do it. It's being tagged/filtered at the ISP level, not the device operating system level. I have to create a whitelist on my remote email account to force the unfiltering.

But this has seemed like (actually been) political targeting by my ISP since the primaries ended. I received unfiltered requests from other fund-raising groups just fine, and their content/formatting is pretty much exactly like the political campaign ads. But GOP-friendly and -directed solicitations have been sent, by default, to the spam folder. I didn't do that. The ISP did that. Proactively.

So, yeah, there's another arena of abuse that's going on.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at October 15, 2020 05:18 PM (HhXSr)

202 BREAKING: Denver
@9News
gunman Matthew Dolloff charged with 2nd-degree murder for killing Trump supporter

from Posobiec tweet, seems to be up at the moment

https://tinyurl.com/y4wmul6l

Posted by: one of the quiet ones at October 15, 2020 05:18 PM (3GzTP)

203 If Twitter is down, where will I read heated debates on whether a hot dog is a sandwich or not.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 15, 2020 05:18 PM (22mNy)

204 "Twitter is down? What are people supposed to do, run around in the streets and call people nazis to their faces?"

In the future, everything not optional is now mandatory.

Posted by: some guy out west at October 15, 2020 05:18 PM (XpDOS)

205 "You have missed the point pretty spectacularly."

It would not be the first time I've missed the point. And I'm not trying to miss the point, really.

If the point is that TwitFaceEtc is huge, and AoSHQConWebEtc is tiny, I get that.

What I don't get is how you get from there to "Please Mr Government, interfere with the speech of our political enemies because of the huge disparity of scale in our platforms."

Posted by: It's OK To Be gp at October 15, 2020 05:18 PM (qpX6U)

206 196 Breaking: Romney is a YES on ACB.
Posted by: Asshoes at October 15, 2020 05:17 PM (22mNy)

My second thought was: Can we trust him?

Posted by: m at October 15, 2020 05:18 PM (PwDhe)

207 Every video I've tried to watch on Youtube for the last week has had the Dwight Eisenhower writing a letter in preparation fir D-Day being a failure and Trump stood by as 200,000 Americans died ad. Every video. Even on peoviders that have been demonetized because they are conservative.

Funny that.

Posted by: Darth Randall at October 15, 2020 05:18 PM (iWCRg)

208 196. Tough call for Mittens. Utah is a solid red state. sarc/

Posted by: Jonah at October 15, 2020 05:18 PM (zNjsG)

209 196 Breaking: Romney is a YES on ACB.
Posted by: Asshoes


link?

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 15, 2020 05:18 PM (W2Pud)

210 Watching Tucker instead of either townhall. One will be a farce, the other a set-up trap.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist at October 15, 2020 05:19 PM (OssQ4)

211 186 Trump really seems to be fighting this battle alone.

Not alone...

Posted by: Éomer of Rohan at October 15, 2020 05:19 PM (4q3U3)

212 87 Remember back in early September when we were told that the model predicted 400,000 dead by January 1st?
Now, five weeks later that same model predicts 348,000
Surely the news will cover this important improvement in our health outlook...

current model prediction in link
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at October 15, 2020 05:00 PM (RtUBS)

Do you want to know the biggest reasons I HATE those projections? Because any fool with a pocket calculator can easily show why they are total idiocy!!!

Here's a chart of Daily COVID deaths in the US: (yeah, yeah, comorbidities, but for the sake of argument, lets ignore that issue)

https://covidtracking.com/data/charts/us-daily-deaths

It's easy to see that currently, the smoothed average is running at about 700 per day. Of course, it looks like that is dropping, especially when you look at death rates in the large population states like Texas, Florida, and California. BUT just to be extra cautious, let us assume that this rate - 700 per day - continues unchanged until the end of the year.

700 x 80 days = 59,500 and added with current accepted deaths of 206,000 comes out to a worst case scenario of 265,500 total deaths by the end of the year, based on real world measurements. (it's likely the total will be much lower, since death rates are still falling)

which makes their prediction of 348,00 deaths by the end of the year absolute unscientific horse shit.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2020 05:19 PM (Kpl3J)

213 And while we are pointing out lefty social media hypocracy remember Tom Arnold gave out Hope Hicks' phone number like last week and that was ok

Posted by: Piratepatch at October 15, 2020 05:19 PM (2Xrky)

214 We're going to need a new Mt. Rushmore for Trump.
Put Reagan and Eisenhower there too. Make sure no room for Bush. Really piss them off.

Posted by: torabora at October 15, 2020 05:19 PM (PVUHt)

215
RE: Twitter is down


THIS IS HOW 'RED DAWN' STARTED!
Posted by: Serious Cat


Seven Days In May

ECOMCON

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 15, 2020 05:19 PM (63Dwl)

216 185 The NYT published classified info gleefully on its front page during the Bush years.

And Bush did nothing about it.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 15, 2020 05:15 PM (oVJmc)

That was the first step towards my eventual dislike of W - even though I supported him through two terms, and would have voted for him a third time if the law allowed it.

That case was about American security measures, and the NYT openly gave aid and comfort to our enemies by disclosing it. And won a Pulitzer Prize, to boot, IIRC.

He should have gone nuclear on them for that. I was shocked that he didn't at the time. In hindsight, it makes perfect sense now.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 15, 2020 05:19 PM (6xA3t)

217 209 196 Breaking: Romney is a YES on ACB.
Posted by: Asshoes


link?
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 15, 2020 05:18 PM (W2Pud)

__

He Twatted it. But you know....Twatter is muerte right now so no linky.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 15, 2020 05:19 PM (22mNy)

218 They lead with "malicious links that could steal personal information..." to scare away the low informed (and cautious elderly) from getting information.

This is not just vile, but it is intentionally written as a lie to discourage people.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at October 15, 2020 05:20 PM (LWu6U)

219 Romney link:

https://twitter.com/SenatorRomney

Posted by: m at October 15, 2020 05:20 PM (PwDhe)

220 2 Chronicles 7:14 NIV

If My people, who are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from Heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

Posted by: SMH at October 15, 2020 05:20 PM (RU4sa)

221 ACB = Always Conning, Bitches!

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 15, 2020 05:20 PM (l0Dc6)

222 It's different because Drumpf was supposed to release his returns!

Posted by: steevy at October 15, 2020 05:20 PM (HwiWi)

223 Give me a break about how bad a father Joe Biden was. I was raking leaves in high school for 50 cents a bag, every damn Autumn. Hunter was getting a lot more than 50 cents a bag and he didn't have to rake any leaves.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 15, 2020 05:20 PM (KAi1n)

224 Gop gave John James in Michigan , 6 more million today.
,

Posted by: Jonah at October 15, 2020 05:21 PM (zNjsG)

225 What I don't get is how you get from there to "Please Mr Government, interfere with the speech of our political enemies because of the huge disparity of scale in our platforms."

Posted by: It's OK To Be gp at October 15, 2020 05:18 PM (qpX6U)

-

People keep answering you. Again, it involves legal protection because they claim to not be" editors". Ace can be sued for slander. Twitter can't.

Posted by: Undercover Brother is the third monkey at October 15, 2020 05:21 PM (d6YI3)

226 It's not like the phone company, which serves private conversations between voluntary parties.


Posted by: It's OK To Be gp at October 15, 2020 05:12 PM (qpX6U)


"No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider."


They use this law to protect themselves from libel, but they behave exactly like publishers: controlling the content they disseminate.


They can't have it both ways. At least in a free society they can't. That's why this is a big issue.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2020 05:21 PM (xT2tT)

227 203 If Twitter is down, where will I read heated debates on whether a hot dog is a sandwich or not.
Posted by: Asshoes at October 15, 2020 05:18 PM (22mNy)

Is this not the job of Goldberg?

( NUUUURRRRRSEEEE!)

Posted by: Joncelli the nomad at October 15, 2020 05:21 PM (1FhAQ)

228 Another
Confirmed
Badass

Trump nominee

Posted by: Asshoes at October 15, 2020 05:21 PM (22mNy)

229 Senator Mitt Romney
@SenatorRomney
·
1h
Judge Amy Coney Barrett is exceptionally well qualified to serve on the Supreme Court, and I intend to vote in support of her confirmation.

press release:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y5wa4vbb

Posted by: m at October 15, 2020 05:21 PM (PwDhe)

230 149 But I think it's _essential_ that websites have the right to control the content they carry, and I think that asking the government to force unwanted content on unwilling sites is a prescription for perdition.

-

They can carry or edit anything they want. They just have to give up the laws protecting them from slander, libel, whatever and the associated lawsuits.

Unlike ace and the HQ, they are protected.
Posted by: Undercover Brother is the third monkey at October 15, 2020 05:11 PM (d6YI3)

Exactly this.

Posted by: Flyover at October 15, 2020 05:22 PM (Rbu5d)

231 Trump live in 67 minutes. -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5yUnUxpr_g

Posted by: Braenyard at October 15, 2020 05:22 PM (vEZXe)

232 205 "You have missed the point pretty spectacularly."

It would not be the first time I've missed the point. And I'm not trying to miss the point, really.

If the point is that TwitFaceEtc is huge, and AoSHQConWebEtc is tiny, I get that.

What I don't get is how you get from there to "Please Mr Government, interfere with the speech of our political enemies because of the huge disparity of scale in our platforms."
Posted by: It's OK To Be gp at October 15, 2020 05:18 PM (qpX6U)

The NYT is liable for the content it publishes. So is AoSHQ. Facebook and Twitter, though they act as publishers, are not treated as such. They pretend to be freely accessible platforms, but act as publishers by controlling content distribution. In other words, if they were treated consistently, they would be liable for the material that they published from their content providers.

They should not be allowed to hide from suits against libel for instance, by claiming that they simply allow anyone to put their views on their site. They obviously do not allow anyone to put their views up.

Posted by: Someguy at October 15, 2020 05:22 PM (Zm+LZ)

233 194. Hunter is fifty years old. He is not a kid. He has five of his own.

Posted by: Jen the original at October 15, 2020 05:22 PM (hH9zb)

234 No No NO, Hunter and Joe are now the focus, don't change the focus!!!
------------------
This guy gets it. The dems are probably frantically trying to come up with a topper to get this off the front page and justify their ignoring it
Posted by: artemis at October 15, 2020 05:13 PM (AwPyG)


I suggest Barack take one for the team. Time for him to come out as a gay homosexual, who likes 'em big and butch. Obviously.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 15, 2020 05:22 PM (hku12)

235 Looks like Twatter is back up.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 15, 2020 05:22 PM (22mNy)

236 Voting for Barrett is the only good thing Romney ever did. Thankfully he was not in senate yet for Kavanaugh

Posted by: Jonah at October 15, 2020 05:22 PM (zNjsG)

237 I'm going to be the sunny side up guy right now. It may not be my nature.

I've been down about how awful all the censorship things are and everything else that's bad, but we got to watch the awesomeness of Amy Coney Barrett this week.

We are going to live in a world where this poised, confident, intellectually rigorous woman is going to be a justice for thirty or forty years.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 15, 2020 05:22 PM (q2K0j)

238
I don't like the idea of 230 reform or public utility status. These just give our Leftist master class more power to manipulate messages.

We have the legal precedent for anti-trust, without introducing any new regulatory power. Use it. Break them. Without mercy.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 15, 2020 05:22 PM (eXmcp)

239 Do you mean another kind of operation than AoSHQ?

Twitter is protected from legal action from its antics by declaring its self one kind of platform.

Meanwhile it is taking actions and speaking as if it is another kind of platform, one which is open to legal attack.

It wants the protections of one and behaves as the other. Like the "ad firm" selling tacos.

See the problem yet?

This isn't about "sic the government on them" its about them getting special protections BY the government while violating what it takes to enjoy them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2020 05:22 PM (KZzsI)

240 Levin has Rudy on Life Liberty and Levin Sunday with more information on the Hunter emails and abandoned computer.

Posted by: Skip at October 15, 2020 05:23 PM (OjZpE)

241 @SenatorRomney


Judge Amy Coney Barrett is exceptionally well qualified to serve on the Supreme Court, and I intend to vote in support of her confirmation.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2020 05:23 PM (xT2tT)

242
What I don't get is how you get from there to "Please Mr Government, interfere with the speech of our political enemies because of the huge disparity of scale in our platforms."
Posted by: It's OK To Be gp at October 15, 2020 05:18 PM (qpX6U)

The same reason the Sherman Anti Trust act was passed, the same reason the Standard Oil monopoly was broken up. These are private interests that have grown so big and so powerful that they now threaten the Well Being of the Nation, and therefore the Nation is justified in acting to remove that threat.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2020 05:23 PM (Kpl3J)

243 183 Thinking of seeing a little of both town halls tonight, want to compare crowds.

Posted by: Skip at October 15, 2020 05:15 PM (OjZpE)

________


I'mma gonna go out on a limb and guess that what you'll see is generally perceived "toxic masculinity" versus actual "toxic femininity."

DISCLAIMER: I'm taking the risk that if my very conservative and independent (BIRM) wife sees this -- she'll hit me. ;-)

Posted by: ShainS at October 15, 2020 05:23 PM (kLCSX)

244 Bander,

Is that you?

Posted by: Nurse ratched at October 15, 2020 05:23 PM (9NGLo)

245
Tech is full of employees who were born in countries with no tradition of free speech or fair play, but strong traditions of tribal loyalty.

Downtown San Jose at rush hour looks like New Delhi.

Then we have our home grown, purple haired communist mutants. The infection began in HR and spread from there.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at October 15, 2020 05:23 PM (QqqS4)

246 It's a fire sale!

Posted by: Ben Had at October 15, 2020 05:23 PM (a2+h/)

247 DDOS on Twitter?

Who's doing it?

a) QAnon
b) RUSSIANS!
c) Trump
d) QAnon AND RUSSIANS!
e) Trump
f) THE FUCKUPS ARE COMING FROM INSIDE THE DATA CENTERS!!!!

Posted by: filbert at October 15, 2020 05:24 PM (NiXyF)

248 We are going to live in a world where this poised, confident, intellectually rigorous woman is going to be a justice for thirty or forty years.

She does seem extraordinarily gifted and capable. I especially like her emphasis on congress carrying out its job and the courts not doing so for them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2020 05:24 PM (KZzsI)

249 Posted by: m at October 15, 2020 05:21 PM (PwDhe)

Backstabbing thief Romney means he does not have enough support from the other Dems to make a difference. So he's going to try to swindle the base.

Posted by: Gilded at October 15, 2020 05:24 PM (BRkq2)

250 "People keep answering you. Again, it involves legal protection because they claim to not be" editors". Ace can be sued for slander. Twitter can't."

IANAL. I'll take your word for it. So why can't Ace get the same protection? Can't he say he isn't an editor, the same way they do? What steps did TwitFace take that puts them on the higher plane, and why can't all sites do the same?

Posted by: It's OK To Be gp at October 15, 2020 05:24 PM (qpX6U)

251 No elevator rides for Mittens until the vote

Posted by: Dark Helmet at October 15, 2020 05:25 PM (Oka5v)

252 All they're doing is making the story bigger. Lol, learn to code

Posted by: Shooter McLovin at October 15, 2020 05:25 PM (TVTAT)

253 200+ comments in.

Ok, I guess some people will see this.

I'm sticking my neck out and calling Florida over, Trump will win it.

I've been looking for some confirmation data on the regions, and I just found it. Trump has gained 5 points on the Atlantic Coast and 10 points in Miami-Dade.

Trump will win Florida by 400K+ votes.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 15, 2020 05:25 PM (5p7BC)

254 What I don't get is how you get from there to "Please Mr Government, interfere with the speech of our political enemies because of the huge disparity of scale in our platforms."
Posted by: It's OK


There are three issues.

1. They were granted protection from liability for what is on their platforms because they claim to be platforms and not publishers. Publishers are liable for all slander, etc. Yet they act as publishers.

2. They have become "public space." Just as freedom of speech is guaranteed in public spaces (such as shopping malls) which are privately owned, these platforms are public spaces.

3. They are a quasi-utility. They run on the public owned airwaves and right of ways (for cables) so they are using a license granted by the public and so are subject to regulation. Imagine if the phone company said "hey, we see you are calling Trump voters, so we are going to cut off your phone service" Or the gas company. Or the electric company. Same thing.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at October 15, 2020 05:25 PM (LWu6U)

255 The infection began in HR and spread from there.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at October 15, 2020 05:23 PM (QqqS4)

That's a new abbreviation for the COC?

Posted by: Gilded at October 15, 2020 05:25 PM (BRkq2)

256 Senator Mitt Romney
@SenatorRomney

1h
Judge Amy Coney Barrett is exceptionally well qualified to serve on the Supreme Court, and I intend to vote in support of her confirmation.

press release:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y5wa4vbb
Posted by: m at October 15, 2020 05:21 PM (PwDhe)


Slightly shorter Mitt Romney: "I have decided to stop being a dick. For once."

Posted by: BurtTC at October 15, 2020 05:25 PM (hku12)

257 194 Also late commenting but Biden is a shitty dad. No wonder hunter is such a depressed screw up. Who makes their kids participate in pay for play and a shield for deniability while demanding a 50% kick back. Thats pure evil. Biden is a child abuser. I almost wonder if abandoning 3 lap tops to discovery was a cry for help.

Posted by: Piratepatch at October 15, 2020 05:17 PM (2Xrky)


Being a pirate's patch you should understand.

It's a family tradition. Joe was fucking a campaign helper's wife named Jill - they married and raised a family of gangsters.

Little gangsters raised to be just like mommy and daddy. And Appalachia's got nothing on them the other thing too.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 15, 2020 05:25 PM (vEZXe)

258 What steps did TwitFace take that puts them on the higher plane, and why can't all sites do the same?

They do not originate content. They only carry other peoples' content. If all the HQ was, was comments by us, then he could try to pull that off, but since he posts his and co-blogger comments, then he's now a provider.

That's how I understand it, at least.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2020 05:26 PM (KZzsI)

259
The Big Tech oligopoly is at the same point now that John D. Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan, and the rest of the robber barons of the Guilded Age were during the late 19th century and early 20th.

Technology has created a "new thing" that hasn't existed before, and Big Tech are the monopolistic overlords of it.

Hell, J. P. Morgan was so big, controlling almost all the world's finance system that he actually bailed out the US Treasury during the Panic of 1893.

That's how big they were, and that's too big and so that wasn't allowed to stand. Anti-trust laws.

Big Tech is at that same level of power. Not financial or economic, but the control of this new modern information system/market. They are as powerful as J.P Morgan here.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at October 15, 2020 05:26 PM (rCwaK)

260 I noted yesterday that pictures published send a message as to what was not published as well. I then asked, how does one "surrender" a presidential campaign? Today I'm hearing reports that both Harris and Biden have been in the proximity of the cooties and will have to suspend campaigning. Hmmm.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at October 15, 2020 05:26 PM (wR5Ly)

261 GP, I hope you're reading and learning from the responses above. They're spot on.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist at October 15, 2020 05:26 PM (OssQ4)

262 238


I don't like the idea of 230 reform or public utility status. These
just give our Leftist master class more power to manipulate messages.



We have the legal precedent for anti-trust, without introducing any new regulatory power. Use it. Break them. Without mercy.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 15, 2020 05:22 PM (eXmcp)

I tend to agree. FTC and FEC enforcement seems most appropriate, but I wouldn't rule our FCC action as well.

Posted by: Arthur Carlson Pinochet at October 15, 2020 05:26 PM (KnJdm)

263 Maybe somebody is havinga Boston server party.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at October 15, 2020 05:26 PM (mFjHy)

264 IANAL. I'll take your word for it. So why can't Ace get the same protection? Can't he say he isn't an editor, the same way they do? What steps did TwitFace take that puts them on the higher plane, and why can't all sites do the same?

Posted by: It's OK To Be gp at October 15, 2020 05:24 PM (qpX6U)

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See #254. There are certainly others, but that one is right above this.

Posted by: Undercover Brother is the third monkey at October 15, 2020 05:26 PM (d6YI3)

265 Romney posted the tweet about his vote for ACB one hour ago. Right about the exact second Twitter quit having new posts.

Posted by: m at October 15, 2020 05:26 PM (PwDhe)

266 250 "People keep answering you. Again, it involves legal protection because they claim to not be" editors". Ace can be sued for slander. Twitter can't."

IANAL. I'll take your word for it. So why can't Ace get the same protection? Can't he say he isn't an editor, the same way they do? What steps did TwitFace take that puts them on the higher plane, and why can't all sites do the same?
Posted by: It's OK To Be gp at October 15, 2020 05:24 PM (qpX6U)

Well Twitter and Facebook have lots of money, connections, lobbyists, etc. Under the existing laws, they shouldn't be able to get away with what they do. In theory, we don't need any additional legislation. It's quite possible that additional legislation wouldn't do us any good, as we'd need either the executive or judicial branches to apply the law.

Posted by: Someguy at October 15, 2020 05:26 PM (Zm+LZ)

267 So why can't Ace get the same protection? Can't he say he isn't an editor, the same way they do? What steps did TwitFace take that puts them on the higher plane, and why can't all sites do the same?


AOSHQ isn't a platform, AFAIK. And I don't think Pixy's code that is running this site is considered proprietary.

Posted by: Hands at October 15, 2020 05:26 PM (786Ro)

268 235 Looks like Twatter is back up.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 15, 2020 05:22 PM (22mNy)

Mine is up but is stuck where it was when it went down.
Refreshing doesn't help.

Posted by: Tami at October 15, 2020 05:26 PM (cF8AT)

269 I'd love it if twitter decided maybe they should retreat for a while and think this though, and the white hats said, Nah, bra.

Posted by: artemis at October 15, 2020 05:27 PM (AwPyG)

270 According to my wife, some guys on Fascebook have been playing with it. One will put up a link, and ask "How long before they take this down?" When they do, another will answer with the time, and the same link.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 15, 2020 05:27 PM (7X3UV)

271 Christopher R Taylor: "Every writing site in the last 15 years has claimed that if you build a 'platform' of follwers and fans on social media, it helps sell your product."

Conceptually, yes, but it's more likely that the "platform" is merely expanding its own reach, distribution, and profits at your expense. Your web presence is actually helping the platforms more because they profit from every view whereas you only profit on a small portion of visitors who make a purchase.

TANSTAAFL

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at October 15, 2020 05:27 PM (HhXSr)

272 I never understood the appeal of Twitter and that's why I don't use it.

Here's what I get from it. You can make it what you want. If you're a video game junkie, you can follow all the video game companies, top video game players, insiders who get leaks from employees etc. If you're into politics you can follow all of the people who have actual insights and ignore the chuds who just repeat talking points.

You can make it what you want. Also, anytime someone you like and trust links someone else for being insightful and interesting, you can increase your circle. If someone you like suddenly goes off the rails, you can cut them out of your circle.

If you want information about something, it's easy to find it on Twitter. If something happens, there's 5 people who were there who uploaded video. Instead of waiting until the next day to get a poor retelling of the story by a reporter who was there after the fact, you can actually see what happened for yourself.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 15, 2020 05:27 PM (sG4Hj)

273 Twitter presents its self as a public bulliten board, over which they have no control. They don't provide content, they just provide a place where others post content.

But once they started to censor, deplatform, ban, and suppress content by some based solely on political bias or an attempt to promote a candidate... everything changes.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2020 05:27 PM (KZzsI)

274 Dave in Fla, Thank you for all the analysis and updates.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 15, 2020 05:28 PM (a2+h/)

275 Is twitter down for the rest of you? Mine ain't workin' no mo.

Posted by: CDR M (retired) at October 15, 2020 05:28 PM (K8LFj)

276 Trump will win Florida by 400K+ votes.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 15, 2020 05:25 PM (5p7BC)

Excellent. I would rather it be by millions, but I'll take the win.

Posted by: Arthur Carlson Pinochet at October 15, 2020 05:28 PM (KnJdm)

277 ECOMCON at site "Y"

Posted by: Archer at October 15, 2020 05:28 PM (gmo/4)

278 "There are three issues.

1. They were granted protection from liability for what is on their platforms because they claim to be platforms and not publishers. Publishers are liable for all slander, etc. Yet they act as publishers.

2. They have become "public space." Just as freedom of speech is guaranteed in public spaces (such as shopping malls) which are privately owned, these platforms are public spaces.

3. They are a quasi-utility. They run on the public owned airwaves and right of ways (for cables) so they are using a license granted by the public and so are subject to regulation. Imagine if the phone company said "hey, we see you are calling Trump voters, so we are going to cut off your phone service" Or the gas company. Or the electric company. Same thing."

OK I buy that.

So, why can't all sites avail themselves of the protections in number 1? If they could, would we be satisfied with just that?

Are numbers 2 and 3 just straightforward consequences of number 1?

Posted by: It's OK To Be gp at October 15, 2020 05:28 PM (qpX6U)

279 268 235 Looks like Twatter is back up.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 15, 2020 05:22 PM (22mNy)

Mine is up but is stuck where it was when it went down.
Refreshing doesn't help.
Posted by: Tami at October 15, 2020 05:26 PM (cF8AT)

Same for me. I think the Twitternerds gave up and got drunk.

Posted by: Joncelli the nomad at October 15, 2020 05:29 PM (1FhAQ)

280 Conceptually, yes, but it's more likely that the "platform" is merely expanding its own reach, distribution, and profits at your expense

Plus... I think that advice might have worked 10 years ago but today is worthless. Like nearly all "here's how to sell books" writing advice.

Anything other than "God rolls the dice in your favor" seems to be a lie.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2020 05:29 PM (KZzsI)

281 241 @SenatorRomney

Judge Amy Coney Barrett is exceptionally well qualified to serve on the Supreme Court, and I intend to vote in support of her confirmation.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2020 05:23 PM (xT2tT)
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He could've said that day 1. See 249.

Posted by: Gilded at October 15, 2020 05:29 PM (BRkq2)

282 I think y'all are missing the most important point here. Twitter is down on Ginger Thursday!. This is a national emergency. We need to get The Elders of the Internet on this right away.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at October 15, 2020 05:29 PM (qc+VF)

283 [300 comment rule]

Posted by: Insomniac at October 15, 2020 05:29 PM (NWiLs)

284 So did Limbaugh pick a good time to go on Twitter or what?

Posted by: Hands at October 15, 2020 05:29 PM (786Ro)

285 Dave in Fla, Thank you for all the analysis and updates.
Posted by: Ben Had
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You are most welcome

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 15, 2020 05:29 PM (5p7BC)

286 ...how does one "surrender" a presidential campaign?

Posted by: Farmer Bob at October 15, 2020 05:26 PM

First, review the campaigns of McCain and Romney.

Then, do what they did.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist at October 15, 2020 05:29 PM (OssQ4)

287 Pretty damning.
Which means that all the allegations of the Hunter Biden info is TRUE and that there is more to come.

Posted by: PJ at October 15, 2020 05:30 PM (qlTN9)

288 253 200+ comments in.

Ok, I guess some people will see this.

I'm sticking my neck out and calling Florida over, Trump will win it.

I've been looking for some confirmation data on the regions, and I just found it. Trump has gained 5 points on the Atlantic Coast and 10 points in Miami-Dade.

Trump will win Florida by 400K+ votes.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 15, 2020 05:25 PM (5p7BC)

If he does that well in Florida, it is inconceivable that he won't also do better than expected in Pennsylvania.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2020 05:30 PM (Kpl3J)

289 Levin reading the NY Slymes buried deep into it has Sundowner Joe saying he denies that Burisma meeting Hunter set up.

Posted by: Skip at October 15, 2020 05:30 PM (OjZpE)

290
Posted by: CDR M (retired) at October 15, 2020 05:28 PM

hey, CDR M

good to "see" you

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 15, 2020 05:30 PM (DUIap)

291 I think y'all are missing the most important point here. Twitter is down on Ginger Thursday!. This is a national emergency. We need to get The Elders of the Internet on this right away.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at October 15, 2020 05:29 PM



Save us kbdabear, you're our only hope! (on the ONT )

Posted by: Hands at October 15, 2020 05:30 PM (786Ro)

292 I don't think it's a DDS. I think it's Twitter fucking itself up with all the censoring.

Posted by: Asshoes at October 15, 2020 05:30 PM (22mNy)

293 I never thought FL was in doubt with the castro loving biden on the ticket.
but 2020.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 15, 2020 05:30 PM (r+sAi)

294 Zuck the Cuck and Dorsey suck the Barbed Cock of Satan!

Posted by: Pimp Daddy Welfare at October 15, 2020 05:31 PM (R7c1o)

295 Golly, these super-smart Democrat asshoes running for President and Vice President are suspending their campaign because of the China Virus?!?


What does that say about their 'plan'?


Sounds like they don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.



Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 15, 2020 05:31 PM (ufFY8)

296 Is twitter down for the rest of you? Mine ain't workin' no mo.
Posted by: CDR M (retired) at October 15, 2020 05:28 PM (K8LFj)


Crackhead Sally is down for me.

But she's definitely workin'.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 15, 2020 05:31 PM (hku12)

297 This should surprise nobody.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 15, 2020 05:31 PM (NWiLs)

298 There was a commenter here who said he specialized in anti-strike law, and those laws correct the problem that occurs when everyone sues ace of spades for slander to bankrupt him; the plaintiff has to survive an initial hearing to bring the suit, and if you don't survive that hearing, the defendant gets attorney's fees.
It was a way to prevent slander-lawfare by well-monied corporations. So I say, let twitter etc be just like everyone else--if it works for us, it will work for them

Posted by: artemis at October 15, 2020 05:31 PM (AwPyG)

299 People keep answering you. Again, it involves legal protection because they claim to not be" editors". Ace can be sued for slander. Twitter can't.
Posted by: Undercover Brother is the third monkey at October 15, 2020 05:21 PM (d6YI3)

Ace could be sued for slander about what HE says.

Ace cannot be sued for slander for what I say on this site.

He is a publisher in the Post, but a provider in the comments section.

At least here in the US.

The problem is that most of the rest of the world does not see it that way, and most of the Tech Giants are siding AGAINST the US ideal of Free Speech.

Like Game companies who won't use the Nazi symbols in games, because that very symbol, while historically accurate, is illegal in Germany.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 15, 2020 05:31 PM (NgKpN)

300 287 Pretty damning.
Which means that all the allegations of the Hunter Biden info is TRUE and that there is more to come.

Posted by: PJ at October 15, 2020 05:30 PM (qlTN9)

the lack of any denials is deafening.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2020 05:31 PM (Kpl3J)

301 [300 comment rule]

Posted by: Insomniac



Hey, man!

Posted by: Sharkman at October 15, 2020 05:31 PM (BM2fS)

302 Slightly shorter Mitt Romney: "I have decided to stop being a dick. For once."

Posted by: BurtTC at October 15, 2020 05:25 PM (hku12)

or

my kneecapped

Posted by: Braenyard at October 15, 2020 05:32 PM (vEZXe)

303 Hey, man!
Posted by: Sharkman at October 15, 2020 05:31 PM (BM2fS)

Hey hey! What's happenin'?

Posted by: Insomniac at October 15, 2020 05:32 PM (NWiLs)

304 I usually just watch the business channel, but Elizabeth McDonald sounds like she owns alot of Twitter and Facebook

Posted by: MJC at October 15, 2020 05:32 PM (SBpUe)

305 Is anybody going to take one for the team and watch the Biden townhall?

I figure I can watch the repost tomorrow and fast forward to the key parts people have indexed where he talks about children in his lap to stop global warming and never smoking crack because he's not black.

Posted by: clutch cargo at October 15, 2020 05:32 PM (8B6Ng)

306 196 Breaking: Romney is a YES on ACB.
Posted by: Asshoes at October 15, 2020 05:17 PM (22mNy)

Because Trump has Rawmoney' balls in a vise.

Posted by: clutch at October 15, 2020 05:32 PM (9UmRs)

307 Mitt can go fuck himself, too.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 15, 2020 05:32 PM (hGohp)

308 ...how does one "surrender" a presidential campaign?

Posted by: Farmer Bob at October 15, 2020 05:26 PM

First, review the campaigns of McCain and Romney.

Then, do what they did.
Posted by: Taqiyyologist


Step1: hire Mike Murphy, Steven Schmidt, or Rick Wilson.

There is no 'Step 2.'

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 15, 2020 05:32 PM (ttBFI)

309 Wouldn't' you love to be a fly on the wall for the dem strategy meetings today? It's like Hillary on election night, you hope someone breaks the omerta.

Posted by: artemis at October 15, 2020 05:32 PM (AwPyG)

310 If he does that well in Florida, it is inconceivable that he won't also do better than expected in Pennsylvania.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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I'm more cautious there, there is some uncertainty about what is going on in Bucks County.

However, there are some early vote numbers that are looking very bad for Biden in Michigan. That could be the shock of the election.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 15, 2020 05:33 PM (5p7BC)

311 the lack of any denials is deafening.

Its like the Wikileaks stuff. The only people who said it wasn't true were nobodies on the street. The actual people involved just yelled for Wikileaks to die, they never denied any of it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2020 05:33 PM (KZzsI)

312
OK I buy that.

So, why can't all sites avail themselves of the protections in number 1? If they could, would we be satisfied with just that?

Are numbers 2 and 3 just straightforward consequences of number 1?
Posted by: It's OK To Be gp at October 15, 2020 05:28 PM (qpX6U)

Regarding 1, the protection is intended such that if someone who is out of your control(because you don't control content) puts something on a freely accessible site that the company hosting the site isn't liable for it. Granting that to publishers would effectively declare slander legal, possibly digital piracy and worse things as well. The NYT and other MSM would not have been liable for slander against Sandman for instance.

Posted by: Someguy at October 15, 2020 05:33 PM (Zm+LZ)

313 Same for me. I think the Twitternerds gave up and got drunk.

Posted by: Joncelli the nomad at October 15, 2020 05:29 PM (1FhAQ)

Lol! Good...

Don't see you HERE enough. I do see you on twitter a lot though.

Posted by: Tami at October 15, 2020 05:33 PM (cF8AT)

314 I'm glad they got to Romney, but wonder what Mitch gave him.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 15, 2020 05:33 PM (eXmcp)

315 Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest: "They lead with 'malicious links that could steal personal information...' to scare away the low informed (and cautious elderly) from getting information."

This is the classic Bill Gates MS-DOS/Windows tactic. It's a proven method.

FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt)

If you tried to install something other than a MS product, they would say to the best of their abilities, "Are you sure you want to uninstall our product and try the other guys'? 'Cause it just might make your computer explode and give you a** cancer..."

This is an equivalent approach.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at October 15, 2020 05:33 PM (HhXSr)

316 You may not be interested in Twitter, but Twitter is interested in you. Or, that is, it's interested in inciting your fellow citizens to take an interest in you.

You may not be on any big tech platform. But they're on to you. Or, that is, they have increasing abilities to incite your fellow citizens to take an interest in you.

Posted by: Hands at October 15, 2020 05:33 PM (786Ro)

317 I never understood the appeal of Twitter and that's why I don't use it.

Because going to AoSHQ gets you what Twitter offers, minus the torrent of sewage.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 15, 2020 05:33 PM (LxTcq)

318 Trump has gained 5 points on the Atlantic Coast and 10 points in Miami-Dade. Trump will win Florida by 400K+ votes.

*********

What about the early news story where democrat early vote was outpacing GOP by 400K before? I was presuming these were cannibalized votes but additional data to determine how much pudding to buy election night would help

Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Amy Coney Barrett's Hoochie Coochie Plush Toy at October 15, 2020 05:34 PM (+dsLj)

319 @306
trump said at a recent rally that Romney couldn't get elected dog catcher in Utah right now.
A not so subtle message.

Posted by: artemis at October 15, 2020 05:34 PM (AwPyG)

320 Backstabbing thief Romney means he does not have enough support from the other Dems to make a difference. So he's going to try to swindle the base.
Posted by: Gilded at O

And Trump probably has some detailed information on Romney's corruption now.

Posted by: Beartooth at October 15, 2020 05:34 PM (a5ALn)

321

yeah, this is creepy

Anthony Scaramucci @Scaramucci
Oct 9

I accept @SteveScully at his word. Let's not cancel anymore people from our culture for absolutely something like this. It's insignificant. He is an objective journalist.


Caleb Hull @CalebJHull
2h

Scaramucci's defense of Steve Scully is my favorite because he literally knew he wasn't hacked as he was the one talking with him


hehe


Undercover Huber @JohnWHuber
Oct 9

No chance this "hack" story survives longer than 1.0 Scaramuccis

Undercover Huber @JohnWHuber
1h

Turns out it was 0.5 Scaramuccis

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 15, 2020 05:34 PM (sfhL4)

322 305- so, assume conditional surrender is being tendered behind the scenes, terms are survival of Biden Crime Family, Inc. Does Trump accept?

Posted by: Farmer Bob at October 15, 2020 05:34 PM (wR5Ly)

323 I don't think it's a DDS. I think it's Twitter fucking itself up with all the censoring.

Something is definitely wrong, and its not just with me. Twitter comes up but I can't post and I see nothing newer than an hour ago or more.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2020 05:34 PM (KZzsI)

324 I really, really want John James to win in Michigan against that nobody fvckhead Peters.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 15, 2020 05:35 PM (ufFY8)

325 Trump will win Florida by 400K+ votes.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 15, 2020 05:25 PM (5p7BC)

If he does that well in Florida, it is inconceivable that he won't also do better than expected in Pennsylvania.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2020 05:30 PM (Kpl3J)


When Trump was on Savage yesterday he did say that his polling was showing he's doing well in those states. He seemed pretty up. I'm guessing the polls we've been seeing are correct, they just got the names reversed.

Posted by: clutch cargo at October 15, 2020 05:35 PM (8B6Ng)

326 trump said at a recent rally that Romney couldn't get elected dog catcher in Utah right now.
A not so subtle message.
Posted by: artemis at October 15, 2020 05:34 PM (AwPyG

Is it easy to get elected dog catcher?

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at October 15, 2020 05:35 PM (534JN)

327 Hold on, aren't MI and PA states which recently ruled that votes are allowed to trickle in for days (weeks? ) after election day? Has that changed? Also, Detroit and Philly can manufacture votes at will.

Posted by: Hands at October 15, 2020 05:35 PM (786Ro)

328 I don't think it's a DDS. I think it's Twitter fucking itself up with all the censoring.

Me either. What do dentists know about social media platforms anyway?

Posted by: Insomniac at October 15, 2020 05:36 PM (NWiLs)

329 I'm glad they got to Romney, but wonder what Mitch gave him.

*******

it's Mittens so likely he just told him to consider the butt fucking stupidity of being the only Republican to vote against ACB and she still gets confirmed anyway.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Amy Coney Barrett's Hoochie Coochie Plush Toy at October 15, 2020 05:36 PM (+dsLj)

330
I also wouldn't put too much stock in the word of Mitt Romney, until the vote is taken and entered in the record.

Remember "Thumbs" McCain.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 15, 2020 05:36 PM (eXmcp)

331 @317
I keep saying it, but twitter is what you make of it. You don't have to sign up, just find a person's twitter feed, like @realdonaldtrump, and you can see it, or not see it. Don't follow any of the people ace showed last thread; no one is making you.
But there's a lot of forgotten men and women who are making their voices heard right now. Have you heard about the massive lockdown protests in Liverpool? If you are on twitter, you have. Otherwise, not so much

Posted by: artemis at October 15, 2020 05:36 PM (AwPyG)

332 313 Same for me. I think the Twitternerds gave up and got drunk.

Posted by: Joncelli the nomad at October 15, 2020 05:29 PM (1FhAQ)

Lol! Good...

Don't see you HERE enough. I do see you on twitter a lot though.
Posted by: Tami at October 15, 2020 05:33 PM (cF8AT)

Hah! Definitely spending way too much time there, but I am working from home and the Twitterfreude keeps me awake.

Posted by: Joncelli the nomad at October 15, 2020 05:36 PM (1FhAQ)

333 If he does that well in Florida, it is inconceivable that he won't also do better than expected in Pennsylvania.

*****

preference cascade

Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Amy Coney Barrett's Hoochie Coochie Plush Toy at October 15, 2020 05:36 PM (+dsLj)

334 Mark Kelly campaign spokesman apologizes for calling cops 'worthless fucking pigs' - https://go.shr.lc/31cA5f0

T.J. L'Heureux, Kelly's deputy press secretary, posted the message in response to a video that showed Chicago police clashing with protesters over the summer. "You worthless f-ing pigs," wrote L'Heureux on Aug. 17, directing the message to the Chicago Police Department's official Twitter account.

@Chicago_Police you worthless fucking pigs https://t.co/TLnQwAOdbV

- TJ L'Heureux (@tjoselheureux) August 17, 2020

L'Heureux officially joined Kelly's campaign as a spokesperson one week later, on Aug. 24

L'Heureux's Twitter post included a video of Chicago police officers in riot gear seizing open umbrellas from a phalanx of protesters on Aug. 16.

According to the Chicago police superintendent, protesters were using umbrellas to shield their actions from view as they prepared to attack officers. At a previous protest, rioters reportedly hid behind umbrellas while distributing projectiles and pelting police with frozen water bottles, rocks, and pipes.

L'Heureux was a press assistant for Pete Buttigieg's presidential campaign until March. On Aug. 24, he announced on Twitter that he had been hired by Kelly's campaign, writing, "Just thought I'd let you know I'm joining the Communications team for @CaptMarkKelly and am super excited to help turn AZ blue! 71 days until Nov. 3-let's do this #FullSpeedAhead."

Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at October 15, 2020 05:36 PM (FBrfY)

335 Wouldn't' you love to be a fly on the wall for the dem strategy meetings today? It's like Hillary on election night, you hope someone breaks the omerta.
Posted by: artemis at October 15, 2020 05:32 PM (AwPyG)


Yep. Truth be told, they wargamed this fustercluck, going back months. If... and I still contend they may not have... if they thought they could win this thing this way, they were seriously deluded, which means there's a LOT of finger pointing going on about now.

There may very well end up being a whistleblower or two that comes out, decide to save themselves, and blows this whole thing wide open.

A Susan Rice type CYA folder, with names and dates and who knew what and when.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 15, 2020 05:36 PM (hku12)

336 I'm bringing back "Dead Candidate Walking."

If I were a Progressive I'd be pissed. For the second time in as many POTUS elections, the D Inner Party has hand-picked a flawed, corrupt, compromised candidate and enabled Trump to win.

Don't blame Trump. Blame your own leaders.

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 15, 2020 05:36 PM (9TdxA)

337 True Story

Jason Miller @JasonMillerinDC

Joe Biden is doing a town hall tonight deemed safe by ABC.

@realDonaldTrump is doing a town hall tonight deemed safe by NBC.

No reason why there shouldn't be an in-person candidate town hall debate tonight in Miami...

Except for Debate Commission being in the tank for Biden!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 15, 2020 05:37 PM (sfhL4)

338 "Ace could be sued for slander about what HE says.
Ace cannot be sued for slander for what I say on this site.
He is a publisher in the Post, but a provider in the comments section."

So whether one is a publisher or a provider is functionally determined? It's not like you got a "publisher license" or a "provider license" from the govt; it's in the eye of the beholder?

"At least here in the US. The problem is that most of the rest of the world does not see it that way,"

Well we can't do jack shit about the rest of the world, AFAIK.

"and most of the Tech Giants are siding AGAINST the US ideal of Free Speech."

How are they doing that, exactly? Other than by deciding which content they will and will not allow on their OWN sites? Are they actively stopping other sites from saying what they want to say on their own URLs?

Posted by: It's OK To Be gp at October 15, 2020 05:37 PM (qpX6U)

339

Europe and Australia are going full nazi in their lockdowns now. All of it is to affect the US election.

The rest of the world is experiencing a huge rise in chinese flu cases, you see.

So why are Trump and the Republicans behaving as if it's going away?!?!

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at October 15, 2020 05:37 PM (2u35I)

340 Twatter seems to be down again, only it's sticking this time.

Posted by: clutch cargo at October 15, 2020 05:37 PM (8B6Ng)

341
it's Mittens so likely he just told him to consider the butt fucking stupidity of being the only Republican to vote against ACB and she still gets confirmed anyway.
Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Amy Coney Barrett's Hoochie Coochie Plush Toy at October 15, 2020 05:36 PM (+dsLj)

------

Oh. I thought Collins was already a definite "no" on Barrett.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 15, 2020 05:37 PM (eXmcp)

342 I really, really want John James to win in Michigan against that nobody fvckhead Peters.

******************

Might be wishful thinking, but I have a feeling he will. He's the one I want to win the most of all the senate races.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Amy Coney Barrett's Hoochie Coochie Plush Toy at October 15, 2020 05:37 PM (+dsLj)

343 328
I don't think it's a DDS. I think it's Twitter fucking itself up with all the censoring.



Me either. What do dentists know about social media platforms anyway?

Posted by: Insomniac at October 15, 2020 05:36 PM (NWiLs)

Maybe they finally had enough of the anti-dentites and are performing root canal on their servers.

Posted by: Arthur Carlson Pinochet at October 15, 2020 05:37 PM (KnJdm)

344 Trump will win Florida by 400K+ votes.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 15, 2020 05:25 PM (5p7BC)

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I've enjoyed reading your information. I'm curious if you think it's best to vote early or wait until election day when there could be... unexplained modalities that might make voting difficult or impossible.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - fight like you're the third monkey in line for the ark at October 15, 2020 05:38 PM (yK9py)

345 Has Twitter tried unpluging it and then plugging it back in, or turning it off and back on? That should fix it

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 15, 2020 05:38 PM (D79US)

346 Most thing that worries me about Pennsylvania is the 5 million votes the Democrats will get out of Philadelphia

There probably isn't 2 million voters there.

Posted by: Skip at October 15, 2020 05:38 PM (OjZpE)

347 So, why can't all sites avail themselves of the protections in number 1? If they could, would we be satisfied with just that?

Are numbers 2 and 3 just straightforward consequences of number 1?
Posted by: It's OK


Most sites are not platforms. The difference is if you are open for anyone to post or not. Most sites (like Ace) are controlled by the people in charge. The platforms said that what they were doing is new and different. The lawmakers said "ok, it sounds new and different and we need a new approach to regulate." Then the platforms turned around and acted just like publishers (or editors, or censors, or ccp running dogs,...) and the lawmakers never said "stop."

No, 2 and 3 are old, existing law. No 1. is from late 90s laws regulating internet, etc.
No. 2 refers to a SC case (Pruneyard shopping mall... 1980) and is worth a read.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at October 15, 2020 05:38 PM (LWu6U)

348 Guess maybe I should have bought more .308 for mostly peaceful target practice before the uptick in demand by folks getting ready for mostly peaceful target practice of their own.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at October 15, 2020 05:38 PM (TYUJ+)

349 Huh, twatter seems I can go to individual tweets and links, but my home page says it's not there.

Posted by: clutch cargo at October 15, 2020 05:38 PM (8B6Ng)

350 @326
That a good point. It's probably hard to raise your profile and how do you differentiate from all the others? you will offer more treats?

Posted by: artemis at October 15, 2020 05:38 PM (AwPyG)

351 I was presuming these were cannibalized votes but additional data to determine how much pudding to buy election night would help
Posted by: Two Weeks
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Cannibalized and wrong. Democrats need to win early vote by 50 points to make up for how badly they will lose on election day.

I ignore early voting, it is meaningless except as a check against the validity of polls (hey Michigan, I'm looking at you). The vast majority of GOP and Ind votes will be cast on Election Day in Florida.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 15, 2020 05:38 PM (5p7BC)

352 by the way, the twelve times is just instances we could find in the last day. There are likely thousands more.

Posted by: Inspector Kemp at October 15, 2020 05:38 PM (I262G)

353 327 Hold on, aren't MI and PA states which recently ruled that votes are allowed to trickle in for days (weeks? ) after election day? Has that changed? Also, Detroit and Philly can manufacture votes at will.
Posted by: Hands at October 15, 2020 05:35 PM (786Ro)

I think it was struck down in both states.

Posted by: Joncelli the nomad at October 15, 2020 05:39 PM (1FhAQ)

354 the lack of any denials is deafening.


Funny, that.


It's like they know there's a lot more there, and they don't know what they can deny that won't get thrown back in their faces.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 15, 2020 05:39 PM (oVJmc)

355 I think that in Late November all the talking heads are going to be discussing how the Democratic party painted its self into a corner full of land mines and spiders by forcing Joe Biden on everyone.

It was their worst possible choice in a field of unbelievably bad choices, and they fought like hell and cheated to make it happen.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2020 05:39 PM (KZzsI)

356 I don't think it's a DDS. I think it's Twitter fucking itself up with all the censoring.

Something is definitely wrong, and its not just with me. Twitter comes up but I can't post and I see nothing newer than an hour ago or more.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2020 05:34 PM (KZzsI)


@TwitterSafety and @jack pulled an Ace and banned themselves?

Posted by: filbert at October 15, 2020 05:39 PM (NiXyF)

357 Less than half of voters -- 45% -- still believe debunked Trump-Russia collusion conspiracy theory

Slightly fewer voters believe the Obama administration abused its authority to spy on Trump.


This is a problem.

justthenews

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 15, 2020 05:39 PM (sfhL4)

358 Also if you smoke while making love is bad form.

Also don't eat while making love.

Also don't make love while riding a bike unless it's a chopper.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at October 15, 2020 05:39 PM (mFjHy)

359 Some substantial portion of mail in votes are not counted due to all kinds of reasons, not to mention if it even gets there.

Posted by: Skip at October 15, 2020 05:39 PM (OjZpE)

360 Trump is going to win 58% to 42%.

EC: Trump 375, Biden 160.

Landslide. It will be so bad that it won't go on for two months like the Donks are trying to set up.

Senate: 57 (R), 42 (D), 1 (I).

House: 251 (R), 184 (D).

I'm printing this out so I can refer to it next month.

Posted by: Sharkman at October 15, 2020 05:39 PM (BM2fS)

361 However, there are some early vote numbers that are looking very bad for Biden in Michigan. That could be the shock of the election.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 15, 2020 05:33 PM (5p7BC)

PDT is going to Muskegon. That is one of the few blue spots on the west side of our state. I see that as a good sign.

Posted by: clutch at October 15, 2020 05:40 PM (9UmRs)

362 Mark Kelly campaign spokesman apologizes for calling cops 'worthless fucking pigs' - https://go.shr.lc/31cA5f0

....
Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at October 15, 2020 05:36 PM (FBrfY)


Here lemme check.... yeah, still not tired of winning.

This bum in particular, I hope he goes down like a..... no, I'm going to self-censor. For once.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 15, 2020 05:40 PM (hku12)

363

OT

I hear Biden is killing people.

I also hear Harris is out murdering people.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 15, 2020 05:40 PM (sfhL4)

364 Slightly fewer voters believe the Obama administration abused its authority to spy on Trump.

This is a problem.

Of course... No one is being held responsible

Posted by: It's me donna at October 15, 2020 05:40 PM (Zmnko)

365 Apologizing for calling police worthless fucking pigs? Must not be playing well in Arizona

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at October 15, 2020 05:40 PM (4NtsG)

366 Well, gotta get back to work. Later.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 15, 2020 05:40 PM (NWiLs)

367 Posted by: Moron Robbie
---------
I'll be voting on election day in my local precinct. But I don't expect to find Black Panthers standing at the door.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 15, 2020 05:41 PM (5p7BC)

368 Guess maybe I should have bought more .308 for mostly peaceful target practice before the uptick in demand by folks getting ready for mostly peaceful target practice of their own.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at October 15, 2020 05:38 PM (TYUJ+)

--

I saw some mostly peaceful 30-06 at the gun range a few days ago. FMJ. $1+ per round, limit two boxes per customer. The guy working the counter said the dozen or so on the shelf would be gone by closing time.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - fight like you're the third monkey in line for the ark at October 15, 2020 05:41 PM (yK9py)

369 338
"and most of the Tech Giants are siding AGAINST the US ideal of Free Speech."

How are they doing that, exactly? Other than by deciding which content they will and will not allow on their OWN sites? Are they actively stopping other sites from saying what they want to say on their own URLs?
Posted by: It's OK To Be gp at October 15, 2020 05:37 PM (qpX6U)

Blocking access to and preventing others from establishing or maintaining sites? Of course they are.

The most benign method is directing traffic elsewhere, in other words making it hard or near impossible to find an existing website. When they go full throttle, you're unable to have a website.

You keep going back to "their OWN sites". Why are they the only ones allowed to freely libel anyone else? Even the MSM will get sued when it does that. Not that a world where everyone can freely slander everyone else is desirable.

Posted by: Someguy at October 15, 2020 05:41 PM (Zm+LZ)

370 Hey, man!

Posted by: Sharkman



Hey hey! What's happenin'?

Posted by: Insomniac



Working.

Pissed because I thought I was going to make it to the Texas MoMe next week but I'm screwed by business travel that just got scheduled. DAMNIT!

Posted by: Sharkman at October 15, 2020 05:41 PM (BM2fS)

371 is the nbc townhall gonna be streamed?

Posted by: vmom 2020 - Grow Up and Vote for Trump by Eddie Scarry at October 15, 2020 05:41 PM (nUhF0)

372 360
Trump is going to win 58% to 42%.



EC: Trump 375, Biden 160.



Landslide. It will be so bad that it won't go on for two months like the Donks are trying to set up.



Senate: 57 (R), 42 (D), 1 (I).



House: 251 (R), 184 (D).



I'm printing this out so I can refer to it next month.

Posted by: Sharkman at October 15, 2020 05:39 PM (BM2fS)

Trump, make it so.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 15, 2020 05:41 PM (KnJdm)

373 I'll have a double of what Sharkman is having.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness at October 15, 2020 05:41 PM (4NtsG)

374 Dave in Fla, Thank you for all the analysis and updates.
Posted by: Ben Had

Ditto! I've been using Dave's info to talk some friends from off the ledge.

Keep up the good work.

Posted by: Beartooth at October 15, 2020 05:41 PM (a5ALn)

375 345
Has Twitter tried unpluging it and then plugging it back in, or turning it off and back on? That should fix it

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at October 15, 2020 05:38 PM (D79US)

And don't forget to reset the 1200 baud modem.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 15, 2020 05:41 PM (ufFY8)

376 Regarding 1, the protection is intended such that if someone who is out of your control(because you don't control content) puts something on a freely accessible site that the company hosting the site isn't liable for it. Granting that to publishers would effectively declare slander legal, possibly digital piracy and worse things as well. The NYT and other MSM would not have been liable for slander against Sandman for instance.
Posted by: Someguy at October 15, 2020 05:33 PM (Zm+LZ)

but the real problem is that you are talking US law.

Other countries laws are different, and in most of those countries Ace 'could' be held liable for things commenters write.

Heck, what law Governs THIS site? Is it the law where Ace is? The Law where the server resides? .nu? Or if the commenter is in England or Canada or Australia? Do those laws become important?

So when you try to figure out Twitter, or Facebook, which have millions and millions of Foreign members? Which laws apply?

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 15, 2020 05:41 PM (NgKpN)

377 344 Trump will win Florida by 400K+ votes.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 15, 2020 05:25 PM (5p7BC)

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I've enjoyed reading your information. I'm curious if you think it's best to vote early or wait until election day when there could be... unexplained modalities that might make voting difficult or impossible.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - fight like you're the third monkey in line for the ark at October 15, 2020 05:38 PM (yK9py)

We live in Florida, and will absolutely be voting early. Of course my county, Collier, is very red. Not leaving anything to chance.

Posted by: Tofer732 at October 15, 2020 05:42 PM (F0Hqz)

378 "Regarding [whether any given site can call itself a platform, not a publisher,] the protection is intended such that if someone who is out of your control (because you don't control content) puts something on a freely accessible site that the company hosting the site isn't liable for it. Granting that to publishers would effectively declare slander legal, possibly digital piracy and worse things as well. The NYT and other MSM would not have been liable for slander against Sandman for instance."

Because TwitFace allows posting only by registered users subject to a terms of service contract, doesn't that make them a platform? The contract explicitly allows them to control users' access and content, doesn't it?

Posted by: It's OK To Be gp at October 15, 2020 05:42 PM (qpX6U)

379 This bum in particular, I hope he goes down like a..... no, I'm going to self-censor. For once.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 15, 2020 05:40 PM


Like a Kamala on a Willie?

Posted by: Bert G at October 15, 2020 05:42 PM (OMsf+)

380 FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt)

If you tried to install something other than a MS product, they would say to the best of their abilities, "Are you sure you want to uninstall our product and try the other guys'? 'Cause it just might make your computer explode and give you a** cancer..."

This is an equivalent approach.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel

Wow, you are right.

And btw, microsoft learned it from IBM. (IBM had a tag line "no one ever got fired for specifying IBM" for their corporate systems.)

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at October 15, 2020 05:42 PM (LWu6U)

381 No chance this "hack" story survives longer than 1.0 Scaramuccis

Undercover Huber @JohnWHuber
1h

Turns out it was 0.5 Scaramuccis
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 15, 2020 05:34 PM (sfhL4)

Is a Scaramucci 12 days? Because that's how long he lasted at the White House

Posted by: josephistan at October 15, 2020 05:42 PM (Izzlo)

382 I saw some mostly peaceful 30-06 at the gun range a
few days ago. FMJ. $1+ per round, limit two boxes per customer. The
guy working the counter said the dozen or so on the shelf would be gone
by closing time.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - fight like you're the third monkey in line for the ark at October 15, 2020 05:41 PM (yK9py)

I paid $1.50/rd. for Rem. Core-Lokt and was happy to get it.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 15, 2020 05:42 PM (KnJdm)

383 Cliff Calvin trivia

Did you know the Twitter bird symbol is named Larry.

After Larry Bird.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 15, 2020 05:42 PM (2DOZq)

384 Is it easy to get elected dog catcher?
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker


should be. he's rich and already has a car with dog cages on the roof. but people don't like douches.

Posted by: x at October 15, 2020 05:43 PM (0tE/i)

385 327 Hold on, aren't MI and PA states which recently ruled that votes are allowed to trickle in for days (weeks? ) after election day? Has that changed? Also, Detroit and Philly can manufacture votes at will.
Posted by: Hands at October 15, 2020 05:35 PM

Yes, MI has that 7 day late thingy, but Detroit gets 103% every election anyhow. How much more can the Dems harvest here?

Posted by: clutch at October 15, 2020 05:43 PM (9UmRs)

386 How are they doing that, exactly? Other than by deciding which content they will and will not allow on their OWN sites?

Other than actively pushing for less free speech in statements and supporting candidates who want less... yes. It was always a tacit understanding by every business that dealt with the public that you let people's political viewpoints go unhindered and left the forum open for discussion as long as it was not violent or excessively offensive.

That's why we let commies and nazis and bigots and idiots hold rallies. Because freedom.

Now they've decided that one political perspective must be silenced and ended because they like the other side.

All rights have a limit on their free expression, and that limit is where you cause damage to the rights of others and society as a whole. Those limits must be as lax as possible but to try to wholesale shut down one political perspective simply because its not yours is not acceptable.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2020 05:43 PM (KZzsI)

387 I'll be voting on election day in my local precinct. But I don't expect to find Black Panthers standing at the door.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 15, 2020 05:41 PM (5p7BC)

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Thanks. Same here. That said, I wouldn't be at all surprised if there are technical difficulties that make Election Day discouraging for red counties.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - fight like you're the third monkey in line for the ark at October 15, 2020 05:43 PM (yK9py)

388 Oh. I thought Collins was already a definite "no" on Barrett.

****************

She changed her mind, but she might have changed it again before she changed her mind before that.

I wonder if she'll split the baby and just vote present.

Stunning. Brave.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Being Amy Coney Barrett's Hoochie Coochie Plush Toy at October 15, 2020 05:43 PM (+dsLj)

389 Like a Kamala on a Willie?


Posted by: Bert G at October 15, 2020 05:42 PM (OMsf+)

Like Kamala on a promotion.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 15, 2020 05:43 PM (KnJdm)

390 And just saw where Fauci wants to do away with Thanksgiving.
Already did it throughout Canada and now they're aiming at banning Halloween trick or treating. Government shit from all parties and levels of government claim the ban is necessary so that we can have a "normal" Christmas when Wuhan will never kill anyone ever again because of masks and flu shots but only if we stop the huge spike in cases going on now!!! (BTW, Christmas is bigger here than in the U.S. while Thanksgiving isn't as important here as for you guys.)

Posted by: andycanuck at October 15, 2020 05:43 PM (an7Mv)

391

...[A]nd what NBC has done here is indefensible. It could easily show this debate and schedule it for later in the evening. It could re-run it later in the evening. It could tape it, delay it, but what they have chosen to do, NBC, is to be conned by Donald Trump, and that is what has really raised the most serious journalistic questions and the reason that so many people who work at NBC and MSNBC are so upset by what NBC has done here, capitulating to Donald Trump's demands that will allow him to cut into Joe Biden's audience, essentially, because MSNBC, CNBC, these cable channels, ABC which is broadcasting Biden, has no similar cable channels. So obviously Trump will get the larger audience. But the real thing is that NBC has capitulated to an absolutely unacceptable demand that serves the interest of one of the two candidates. There is absolutely no defense for this.


Bernstein hack who looks like a pedo on CNN

melting down into a puddle of oil

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 15, 2020 05:43 PM (sfhL4)

392 Twatter and Fakebook need to have the book thrown at them.

Literally.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 15, 2020 05:43 PM (Z+IKu)

393
Did you know the Twitter bird symbol is named Larry.

After Larry Bird.
Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 15, 2020 05:42 PM (2DOZq)

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dat's rayciss

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 15, 2020 05:43 PM (eXmcp)

394 317 I never understood the appeal of Twitter and that's why I don't use it.

the interaction with the AOS is about all the humanity I can take

Posted by: REDACTED at October 15, 2020 05:43 PM (R3uW8)

395 I'll have a double of what Sharkman is having.

Posted by: Heart of Darkness




A ampersand W Root Beer, neat.

Posted by: Sharkman at October 15, 2020 05:44 PM (BM2fS)

396 Something is definitely wrong, and its not just with me. Twitter comes up but I can't post and I see nothing newer than an hour ago or more.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2020 05:34 PM (KZzsI)


I hope Israel heard my prayers.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 15, 2020 05:44 PM (sfhL4)

397 Maybe twitter is caught in an AI censorship loop and soon smoke will start coming out of it's ears.

Posted by: f'd at October 15, 2020 05:44 PM (3D8Os)

398 ntw Youtube banned QAnon et al today

Posted by: vmom 2020 - Grow Up and Vote for Trump by Eddie Scarry at October 15, 2020 05:45 PM (nUhF0)

399 Fight back against corrupt media barons!

Posted by: runner at October 15, 2020 05:45 PM (VIWDj)

400 so what's this shit the dims are trying to pull on Barrett ?

Posted by: REDACTED at October 15, 2020 05:46 PM (R3uW8)

401 You keep going back to "their OWN sites". Why are they the only ones allowed to freely libel anyone else? Even the MSM will get sued when it does that. Not that a world where everyone can freely slander everyone else is desirable.
Posted by: Someguy at October 15, 2020 05:41 PM (Zm+LZ)

The analogy I like to use?

Does my Freedom of speech STOP, when I enter your property?

Now, you can kick me OFF your property, but short of that, I still retain my Freedom of Speech.

So, given that, why can you limit my freedom of speech on a Website DESIGNED for me to speak (post) on?

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 15, 2020 05:46 PM (NgKpN)

402 339

Europe and Australia are going full nazi in their lockdowns now. All of it is to affect the US election.

The rest of the world is experiencing a huge rise in chinese flu cases, you see.

So why are Trump and the Republicans behaving as if it's going away?!?!
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales



The Utopians dream of a One World, all united as One in Perfect Harmony! Don't you want Harmony? No? Well, For The Greater Good something must be done about that.

I believe someone once posted here that all Utopia's end in death camps.

Posted by: Puddleglum at October 15, 2020 05:46 PM (dGlC5)

403 And just saw where Fauci wants to do away with Thanksgiving.



Can Trump just Gitmo this little shit Nov. 4?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 15, 2020 05:46 PM (oVJmc)

404 Sharkman, sorry to hear that.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 15, 2020 05:46 PM (a2+h/)

405 @TwitterSafety and @jack pulled an Ace and banned themselves?

Jack: Ban them
Twitter worker: Ban who?
Jack: everyone
Twitter Worker: What do you mean, 'everyone'?
Jack: EVERYONE!!!!!!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2020 05:46 PM (KZzsI)

406 Trump will win Florida by 400K+ votes.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 15, 2020 05:25 PM (5p7BC)

So , by approx. 4.5%? I think it could be higher but this is a pretty logical place to start

Posted by: Boswell at October 15, 2020 05:46 PM (w2LAm)

407 Also, Detroit and Philly can manufacture votes at will.
Posted by: Hands
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Sorry to jump on you here, but this is a fallacy that has always annoyed me. You can't manufacture voters at will and exceed the number of registered voters. You can't even significantly exceed historic vote totals, otherwise you are going to end up with election officials going to jail (already happened in Philly this year).

Since Philly has gotten so good at the cheating game over the years, they have inched up to the maximum level of cheat that they can get away with.

And the rest of PA is onto the game, so they won't report results until after Philly.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 15, 2020 05:46 PM (5p7BC)

408 396 Something is definitely wrong, and its not just with me. Twitter comes up but I can't post and I see nothing newer than an hour ago or more.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 15, 2020 05:34 PM (KZzsI)

I hope Israel heard my prayers.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 15, 2020 05:44 PM (sfhL4)

Entirely possible that @jack insulted Israel and Mossad performed a Hack of Vengeance.

Posted by: Joncelli the nomad at October 15, 2020 05:47 PM (1FhAQ)

409 378 "Regarding [whether any given site can call itself a platform, not a publisher,] the protection is intended such that if someone who is out of your control (because you don't control content) puts something on a freely accessible site that the company hosting the site isn't liable for it. Granting that to publishers would effectively declare slander legal, possibly digital piracy and worse things as well. The NYT and other MSM would not have been liable for slander against Sandman for instance."

Because TwitFace allows posting only by registered users subject to a terms of service contract, doesn't that make them a platform? The contract explicitly allows them to control users' access and content, doesn't it?
Posted by: It's OK To Be gp at October 15, 2020 05:42 PM (qpX6U)

Anything that represents control would effectively make them closer to a publisher, not a platform. A platform has little to no control. Where precisely one would cross over to the other is something they'd decide using cases and maybe legislation if there was sufficient dispute, but anything in the ToS granting Facebook or Twitter editorial control is an argument for, not against, them being a publisher.

Posted by: Someguy at October 15, 2020 05:47 PM (Zm+LZ)

410 >> Are they actively stopping other sites from saying what they want to say on their own URLs?

You better believe it. See the case of The Federalist website. They had to remove their comment sections because Google pulled advertising because it didn't like what was being said in the comments.

That is the monopolistic power Google has over the online information marketplace of ideas.

It's called "deplatforming". They can do that to anyone now, and they're getting big enough that they are on the verge of being able to deplatform the President of the United States.

Again, around 1900, J. P. Morgan was big enough and controlled enough of the finance system that he could've brought down the US Treasury if he wanted to. He actually bailed them out. The US govt as a going concern was important to his business model of course. But he had the power to destroy the country financially.

George Soros was a piker compared to JP at the height of his power.

And that is the point Big Tech is at in this new "information market".

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at October 15, 2020 05:47 PM (rCwaK)

411 Don't make love while commenting on AoSHQ.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at October 15, 2020 05:47 PM (534JN)

412 388 Oh. I thought Collins was already a definite "no" on Barrett.

I think she's a snow

Posted by: REDACTED at October 15, 2020 05:47 PM (R3uW8)

413 Did you know the Twitter bird symbol is named Larry.

After Larry Bird.
Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 15, 2020 05:42 PM (2DOZq)

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That doofus from French Lick?!?

Posted by: Woody Boyd at October 15, 2020 05:47 PM (Izzlo)

414 This bum in particular, I hope he goes down like a..... no, I'm going to self-censor. For once.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 15, 2020 05:40 PM

Like a Kamala on a Willie?
Posted by: Bert G at October 15, 2020 05:42 PM (OMsf+)


Worse than that.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 15, 2020 05:47 PM (hku12)

415 does anyone else have the feeling there was a turning point when Kyle in Wisconsin took down a couple of bogies?
It may have made it very clear to some of the agitators that this was not going to be the cakewalk they were promised.

Posted by: artemis at October 15, 2020 05:48 PM (AwPyG)

416 A hotdog is not a sandwich. It's just not. You've said/heard/read the word "sandwich" all your life and have you ever even *once* thought "hot dog" when you said/heard/read "sandwich"? No. The concept that a hot dog is a sandwich is completely non-normative and counter-intuitive.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 15, 2020 05:48 PM (KAi1n)

417 Twatter and Fakebook need to have the book thrown at them.



Literally.



Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 15, 2020 05:43 PM (Z+IKu)


They need to be visited by the Jun Horde.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at October 15, 2020 05:48 PM (9Om/r)

418 372 360
Trump is going to win 58% to 42%.



EC: Trump 375, Biden 160.



Landslide. It will be so bad that it won't go on for two months like the Donks are trying to set up.



Senate: 57 (R), 42 (D), 1 (I).



House: 251 (R), 184 (D).



I'm printing this out so I can refer to it next month.

Posted by: Sharkman at October 15, 2020 05:39 PM (BM2fS)

Trump, make it so.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 15, 2020 05:41 PM (KnJdm)

Seconded (thirded?)

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Mostly Peaceful, Free WA, Buy Ammo at October 15, 2020 05:48 PM (ifmtJ)

419 You'd think these super smart lefties would at least watch their movies, a hundred of which have a plot point of the villain's efforts to suppress info only makes it worse.

But they're smart. And those people were stupid.

Posted by: RoyalOil at October 15, 2020 05:48 PM (S0njo)

420 So , by approx. 4.5%? I think it could be higher but this is a pretty logical place to start
Posted by: Boswell
------------
It is what I am comfortable predicting right now with the data I've got. It could be higher, I hope it is.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 15, 2020 05:48 PM (5p7BC)

421 Nood

Posted by: oldraceral at October 15, 2020 05:48 PM (Bfhnl)

422 I am picturing Captain Kirk talking to the giant Twitter computer. Using TV show logic he persuades it into destroying itself in a shower of stage pyrotechnics. Then for good measure he nutfucks the wreckage. Just to show who is boss.

Posted by: some guy out west at October 15, 2020 05:48 PM (XpDOS)

423
so what's this shit the dims are trying to pull on Barrett ?
Posted by: REDACTED at October 15, 2020 05:46 PM (R3uW

------

Yesterday, I heard they were setting the table for some Attorney Babyvoice, Esq. to bravely come forward with her dark secret about being routinely violated by Barrett in a hippocampus-searing, ritualistic Black Mass of worldly pleasure and sin.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 15, 2020 05:48 PM (eXmcp)

424 "Blocking access to and preventing others from establishing or maintaining sites? Of course they are.

The most benign method is directing traffic elsewhere, in other words making it hard or near impossible to find an existing website. When they go full throttle, you're unable to have a website."

I don't see how TwitFace "blocks access to or prevents others from establishing or maintaining sites." They may refuse to link to them, and pervert search results to avoid them, but that does not block access nor prevent establishment and maintenance of sites. Not every site has a responsibility to guide users to other sites.

To me, "blocking access" would be DDoS attacks. "Preventing establishment or maintenance of sites" would be bribing domain registrars and dynamiting server farms.

I have been fully aware of the unfolding Biden scandals. Nothing that the Tech Monopoly has done has prevented me from learning all about them as soon as they broke. So I just don't see the "censorship" angle or the 1A angle involved here.

Posted by: It's OK To Be gp at October 15, 2020 05:49 PM (qpX6U)

425 Hot dog w/ PBJ?

Posted by: klaftern at October 15, 2020 05:49 PM (RuIsu)

426 401 You keep going back to "their OWN sites". Why are they the only ones allowed to freely libel anyone else? Even the MSM will get sued when it does that. Not that a world where everyone can freely slander everyone else is desirable.
Posted by: Someguy at October 15, 2020 05:41 PM (Zm+LZ)

The analogy I like to use?

Does my Freedom of speech STOP, when I enter your property?

Now, you can kick me OFF your property, but short of that, I still retain my Freedom of Speech.

So, given that, why can you limit my freedom of speech on a Website DESIGNED for me to speak (post) on?
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 15, 2020 05:46 PM (NgKpN)

If you use your speech to publicly harm the reputation or livelihood of others, yes you should be liable for it both civilly and legally. We could go further to consider things like digital piracy, criminal transactions.

Posted by: Someguy at October 15, 2020 05:50 PM (Zm+LZ)

427 185 The NYT published classified info gleefully on its front page during the Bush years.

And Bush did nothing about it.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at October 15, 2020 05:15 PM (oVJmc)

Not true about doing nothing. Unfortunately their attempts to subpoena info into the leakers and have the courts stop publication was about as successful as the Trump administration has been.

Posted by: Weaning is hard at October 15, 2020 05:50 PM (2DOZq)

428 If you think about it, Twitter is forcing people into communicating at a sub-par, mentally challenged form.

Posted by: runner at October 15, 2020 05:50 PM (VIWDj)

429 And the rest of PA is onto the game, so they won't report results until after Philly.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at October 15, 2020 05:46 PM (5p7BC)

Robert Barnes has said that he's received emails from people in PA stating that this is one reason why they won't use a mail in ballot or vote early: so as to deny the Philadelphia machine the knowledge of how many votes they need to fabricate.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 15, 2020 05:51 PM (ByrJ9)

430 BTW, for all the lib-left dicks pretending that NBC is working for PDT, I'd point out that ABC has modestly titled its townhall, "The Vice President and the People: A Special Edition of 20/20".

Posted by: andycanuck at October 15, 2020 05:51 PM (an7Mv)

431 @410
Just more evidence that Congress is courrupt (not that we really need it.)
The tech platform monopoly is exactly why anti trust laws were created. Why are there 2 or 3 companies that own all means of media?

Everybody's been bribed

Posted by: artemis at October 15, 2020 05:51 PM (AwPyG)

432 In a ....not at a ...Sigh

Posted by: runner at October 15, 2020 05:51 PM (VIWDj)

433


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Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at October 15, 2020 05:51 PM (2u35I)

434 Anything that represents control would effectively make them closer to a publisher, not a platform. A platform has little to no control. Where precisely one would cross over to the other is something they'd decide using cases and maybe legislation if there was sufficient dispute, but anything in the ToS granting Facebook or Twitter editorial control is an argument for, not against, them being a publisher.
Posted by: Someguy at October 15, 2020 05:47 PM (Zm+LZ)

Case in point? F Books censorship of any information that contradicts their Covid worldview.

And the weirdest part? Much of what the CDC and WHO has put out in the last 2 weeks, about masks and shutdowns, was the very information that was being censored by F Book.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 15, 2020 05:52 PM (NgKpN)

435 "So, given that, why can you limit my freedom of speech on a Website DESIGNED for me to speak (post) on?"

TwitFace is designed to do what its terms of service contract allows you to do, the contract you willingly entered when you registered as a user there.

You signed no such contract with AoSHQ, but you damn betcha he'll ban you if you say something that ticks him off. As it should be.

Posted by: It's OK To Be gp at October 15, 2020 05:52 PM (qpX6U)

436 Funny that twitter would be acting up and "Over capacity" tonight, when there are dueling town halls scheduled in an hour.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at October 15, 2020 05:52 PM (Mm4NK)

437 Just an observation to pass along. First, I live in now deep blue CO. I often sit out on my front porch on nice afternoons just to watch the world go by. There is a young lady in the condo across the street that stops by to talk from time to time while walking her dog. We've had some interesting conversations. Once, when I told her that I just got my CCP, she told me that she's had one for a while now. That surprised me because being a young single female, I just assumed that she felt that guns were icky.

The other day she stopped by to talk and we got to jawboning about the election coming up. I was not shy about saying that I was voting for Trump, and she floored me with the comment that she would lose a large number of friends if she told them just exactly how she was going to vote for Trump. Appearances are deceiving and I just didn't think that she would be that smart, I guess.

Posted by: Old Blue at October 15, 2020 05:52 PM (VNmG1)

438 "You better believe it. See the case of The Federalist website. They had to remove their comment sections because Google pulled advertising because it didn't like what was being said in the comments.

That is the monopolistic power Google has over the online information marketplace of ideas."

I read The Federalist every day. Whatever Google did to them didn't work, because it's still there. If you mean Google has no right to choose where it places its advertising, I disagree vehemently.

Posted by: It's OK To Be gp at October 15, 2020 05:54 PM (qpX6U)

439 Well, let us all hope that twitter has been DOS hacked be righty white hats.

Phucking asshoe needs to be dissassembled down to their component atoms in an overpressure heat wave with emp and gamma radiation. Preferably from orbit, just to be sure.

Posted by: BifBewalski AOS Moron at October 15, 2020 05:54 PM (VcFUs)

440 gp,

Think of it this way, a guy has a huge blank wall and says anyone can come and stake out a square foot and use it as a bulletin board. Everyone agrees that if someone puts something on their sq ft that is libelous or slanderous you can sue the poster but not the guy that owns the wall-because he is not writing anything, just providing a free space for others.

But the the wall owner starts going around erasing bulletin boards he doesn't like or doesn't agree with and letting his own political allies say whatever they want. That changes the equation. Now he is only providing a space for the one view he agrees with. That implies endorsement and (should) make him liable for damages caused by the people he allows to post on his wall.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos (meh, it's a living) at October 15, 2020 05:54 PM (3DZIZ)

441 "Anything that represents control would effectively make them closer to a publisher, not a platform. A platform has little to no control. Where precisely one would cross over to the other is something they'd decide using cases and maybe legislation if there was sufficient dispute, but anything in the ToS granting Facebook or Twitter editorial control is an argument for, not against, them being a publisher."

OK, I misunderstood! Thank you!

Posted by: It's OK To Be gp at October 15, 2020 05:55 PM (qpX6U)

442 Bret Baire calls the Hunter story "sketchy."

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 15, 2020 05:55 PM (63Dwl)

443 Don't make love while commenting on AoSHQ.
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Because it's fucking near Valu-Rite??

Posted by: andycanuck at October 15, 2020 05:56 PM (an7Mv)

444 Nood.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at October 15, 2020 05:56 PM (7UIvI)

445 "Posted by: the guy that moves pianos (meh, it's a living) at October 15, 2020 05:54 PM (3DZIZ)"

OK, thank you guys for your patience with me! I need to learn more about this before I pop off again. I haven't talked much about this issue in a long time, because I knew my POV was heretical around here. You all have put me some f'n knowledge. Thanks again!

Posted by: It's OK To Be gp at October 15, 2020 05:57 PM (qpX6U)

446 >> If you mean Google has no right to choose where it places its advertising, I disagree vehemently.

Google controls just about all online advertising. Both ends of it. You want to advertise you've got to go through them.

So, Google decides it will prevent anyone from advertising on the Federalist, whether they want to or not.

You are taking the Cato Institute/Libertarian position on this. I was there too years ago. That position can only exist in a pie-in-the-sky fantasy world. It will not work in the real world. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at October 15, 2020 05:58 PM (rCwaK)

447 334 Mark Kelly campaign spokesman apologizes for calling cops 'worthless fucking pigs' - https://go.shr.lc/31cA5f0

Posted by: Braenyard at October 15, 2020 06:00 PM (vEZXe)

448 I just read that the FBI has had Hunter Biden's computer since last December.

Posted by: Esteve` at October 15, 2020 06:20 PM (2IA0F)

449 Wasn't Joe Lockhart on Lost in Space

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at October 15, 2020 06:25 PM (534JN)

450 Life comes at you fast - odds and ends:

1) Hunter Biden story proves Trump impeachment was bull shit
2) Scully lie proves that Debate moderators are bias (I guess we already knew this one)
3) Maize Hirono is a POS and Miriam Webster thinks George Orwell was writing how to manuals
4) Hard to believe but Wheeler is the sane candidate for mayor of Portland

Posted by: ADK46er at October 15, 2020 06:33 PM (Dk6GG)

451 Mark Kelly campaign spokesman apologizes for calling cops 'worthless fucking pigs' - https://go.shr.lc/31cA5f0

Kelly deserves to lose if only for the comments of his boneheaded campaign spokesman.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 15, 2020 06:41 PM (WkPC9)

452 The more they tighten their grip...

Trump will have more "flexibility" after the election. One way or another.

Posted by: nip at October 15, 2020 07:00 PM (cpS4u)

453 Suppose a "Tweet" went out and nobody saw it?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at October 15, 2020 07:03 PM (3DJkT)

454 Don't worry, libertarian simp Justin Amash decided it's all okay since its only wrong for the government to silence you, all private businesses are allowed to do whatever they want, including interfere with elections on behalf of communist and skirt their way around campaign finance laws.

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