DC Circuit Court Stays Decision for Ten Days to Allow Sydney Powell to File Response

Great.

Does this mean the court voted in favor of the en banc hearing, or just to receive motions so that they can decide whether to proceed to an en banc hearing?

I dunno.

See below.

Update: Let me explain an en banc rehearing.

The circuit courts of appeals consist of a bunch of judges. For the DC circuit, it's 11.

But 11 judges do not hear one case. Instead, there's a random draw, and three judges are assigned to hear it.

Flynn won his hearing before a three judge panel, 2-1.

You can also request an en banc hearing, which is a hearing by all of the active judges (11 here), not just the three you were randomly assigned. It's basically an appeal, but not to a higher court, but the full sitting court.

I think that's what en banc really means -- "on the bench." Like, all of the judges on the bench in this case.

Granting a request for an en banc hearing is rare, but it happens.

NEWS: The DC Circuit US Court of Appeals has stayed its decision ordering Judge Emmet Sullivan to end former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn's criminal case while the entire en banc panel of appellate judges considers the issues. pic.twitter.com/F2SXLCIeg6
— Darren Samuelsohn (@dsamuelsohn) July 10, 2020

It's possible that -- if you can believe this -- this "reporter" doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about, and is just tossing out lingo and jargon to sound smart.

Kompromat.

This does not appear to be ruling that the court will reconsider the matter en banc. Rather, it seems to mean that they will accept briefs from Sydney Powell and the DOJ arguing against Sullivan's demand for an en banc rehearing.

In other words, the court didn't necessarily vote to have an en banc rehearing, but only to hold a hearing deciding about whether to vote for an en banc rehearing.

Update: That's what alex the chick says happened.

En banc has not been issued. Flynn has been given 10 days to respond to the petition requesting en banc. The order is stayed during that time.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 01:51 PM (GbPPJ)

Furthermore, this doesn't necessarily require the six votes (out of 11 active judges) required for an en banc hearing. RedState's "shipwreckedcrew" thinks that this only requires that one judge vote for a stay.

So don't assume there's a majority already available to overrule.

I believe this action only took the request of a single judge to trigger the requirement of getting a response. It builds in at least 2 more weeks of delay.
— shipwreckedcrew (@shipwreckedcrew) July 10, 2020

But he's not certain. Neither am I, obviously.

Posted by: Ace at 02:09 PM

Comments

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1 firstish

Posted by: lizabth at July 10, 2020 02:10 PM (L3Rsz)

2 Never get behind a lawyer in a bathroom line

Posted by: REDACTED at July 10, 2020 02:11 PM (JgrP5)

3 the delay is the entire point.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2020 02:11 PM (Kpl3J)

4 From the previous thread:
En banc has not been issued. Flynn has been given 10 days to respond to
the petition requesting en banc. The order is stayed during that time.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 01:51 PM (GbPPJ)

Posted by: Ian S. at July 10, 2020 02:11 PM (6XLoz)

5 This is f'ed up

Posted by: It's me donna at July 10, 2020 02:11 PM (Zmnko)

6 Uh oh. I'm outta here before AtC shows up.

Posted by: bluebell at July 10, 2020 02:11 PM (/669Q)

7 damnit read the content, but i could have been first....

Posted by: SturmToddler at July 10, 2020 02:12 PM (8D42x)

8 Making it up as they go

Posted by: Chris M at July 10, 2020 02:12 PM (eAZVt)

9 Not en banc yet. And the two groups ordered to file replies are the Flynn team and the DOJ. Who the hell can even ask for en banc without actually being party to the case, again??

Posted by: trev006 at July 10, 2020 02:12 PM (O2y/K)

10 I don't know what any of this means, but I'm anticipating an intense and vehement response from AtC any minute now.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 10, 2020 02:12 PM (t+qrx)

11 And justice for all..... Not....

Posted by: It's me donna at July 10, 2020 02:12 PM (Zmnko)

12
*affixes shin guards and asbestos suit.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 10, 2020 02:13 PM (yZPvv)

13 not first

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, running from a biplane in a cornfield at July 10, 2020 02:13 PM (LvTSG)

14 I don't know what any of this means, but I'm anticipating an intense and vehement response from AtC any minute now.

I've got the popcorn handy!

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 10, 2020 02:13 PM (dUJdY)

15 Who the hell can even ask for en banc without actually being party to the case, again??
Posted by: trev006 at July 10, 2020 02:12 PM (O2y/K)

any one of the 11 judges on the DC Circuit. They don't need a reason, one of the perks of being a judge at that level. One can ask, it takes 6 votes to grant.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2020 02:14 PM (Kpl3J)

16 Like I said, the Obama judge didn't ask for the en banc review because that would have started the process. Letting Sullivan request it at the last minute continues to extend the timeline. And here we are again, adding another week and a half. Expect the DOJ to take the full 10 days, because even though they've demanded to drop the case I doubt most of those deep state cocksuckers are happy about it and probably hope Sullivan wins.

Posted by: buzzion at July 10, 2020 02:14 PM (vMCab)

17 Let us see how fast Powell responds.

Unfortunately, the DOJ was invited too and they can stall for two weeks as well unless Barr cracks the whip.

Posted by: Grump928© at July 10, 2020 02:14 PM (jbtTP)

18 Something something speedy trial, something something

Something something justice delayed, denied, something something

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at July 10, 2020 02:14 PM (XeEyo)

19 6 lol

Posted by: harley at July 10, 2020 02:14 PM (2EU+/)

20 3,900 word limit?

So random.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, running from a biplane in a cornfield at July 10, 2020 02:14 PM (LvTSG)

21 12
*affixes shin guards and asbestos suit.
Posted by: fixerupper at July 10, 2020 02:13 PM (yZPvv)

How does the asbestos help?

Posted by: Someguy at July 10, 2020 02:14 PM (Zm+LZ)

22 Does this mean the fight from the last thread gets carried over here? Because I then have to go back and get my popcorn

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 10, 2020 02:15 PM (tsZQ+)

23 I imagine I'm the only one who doesn't know what an en banc hearing is.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at July 10, 2020 02:15 PM (bFWRI)

24 Just pardon the guy. End this bullshit, it won't change one single vote.

Posted by: CN at July 10, 2020 02:15 PM (ONvIw)

25 Uh oh. I'm outta here before AtC shows up.

Not me. I haven't seen the full power of AtC unleashed in a long time.

Popcorn, anybody?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 10, 2020 02:15 PM (HaL55)

26 How does the asbestos help?
Posted by: Someguy at July 10, 2020 02:14 PM (Zm+LZ)

Fireproof

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at July 10, 2020 02:15 PM (XeEyo)

27
How does the asbestos help?
Posted by: Someguy at July 10, 2020 02:14 PM (Zm+LZ)

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flamethrowers hurt

Posted by: fixerupper at July 10, 2020 02:15 PM (yZPvv)

28 Now I'm convinced this isn't because they're afraid of What Flynn Knows. This is all a warning to everyone this is what might happen to you if you defy #theresistance. Nothing more, nothing less.

Posted by: Dark Helmet at July 10, 2020 02:15 PM (Oka5v)

29 When do the judges implement double secret probation? Make a g-d decision and stick with it.

Posted by: pep at July 10, 2020 02:16 PM (v16oJ)

30 I don't know what any of this means, but I'm anticipating an intense and vehement response from AtC any minute now.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 10, 2020 02:12 PM (t+qrx)

*making popcorn*

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 10, 2020 02:16 PM (q1Pj5)

31
I imagine I'm the only one who doesn't know what an en banc hearing is.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at July 10, 2020 02:15 PM (bFWRI)

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I think its a very expensive pen that talks to you.....

Posted by: fixerupper at July 10, 2020 02:16 PM (yZPvv)

32 Just pardon the guy. End this bullshit, it won't change one single vote.
Posted by: CN at July 10, 2020 02:15 PM (ONvIw)

Maybe but it might help his civil suit if the courts end it and not PDT

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 10, 2020 02:16 PM (tsZQ+)

33 Several weeks ago, I was fairly sure that I had my head wrapped around this particular legal buttfuckery wrt Flynn, but now I don't know if this is good or bad, if true, or what.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 10, 2020 02:16 PM (t+qrx)

34 BTW Hordemates,
I sent Mike a note not long ago and told him he had a hell of a lot of support out here in Real America. He appreciates it.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 10, 2020 02:16 PM (axyOa)

35 En banc
(on bonk) French for "in the bench," it signifies a decision by the full court of all the appeals judges in jurisdictions where there is more than one three- or four-judge panel. The larger number sit in judgment when the court feels there is a particularly significant issue at stake or when requested by one or both parties to the case and agreed to by the court.

I had to figure out the initial meaning of enhance 1st.

I'm no closer to knowing what the court is actually doing..lol

Posted by: willow at July 10, 2020 02:16 PM (D6tcA)

36 Wait -- who's on first, again?

Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 02:16 PM (HEEq1)

37 Not to exceed 3900 words.

Whut?

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 10, 2020 02:16 PM (NgKpN)

38 >>>17 Let us see how fast Powell responds.

you do not want to rush a critical memo, just to save your client a few days' worry.

She will take ten days. Or nine and a quarter. She will not just shit this out. Nor will the DOJ.

Posted by: ace at July 10, 2020 02:17 PM (PbpT7)

39 23
I imagine I'm the only one who doesn't know what an en banc hearing is.

It's Latin for "everything that guy just said is bulls***".

Posted by: pep at July 10, 2020 02:17 PM (v16oJ)

40 I think its a very expensive pen that talks to you.....
Posted by: fixerupper at July 10, 2020 02:16 PM (yZPvv)
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I thought that was Mel Blanc.

Posted by: bluebell at July 10, 2020 02:17 PM (/669Q)

41 Almost like some group of people planned this based on the following question:

What's the longest possible procedural process we could use to drag this out for the maximum time possible without actually ruling that Sullivan is a know-nothing moron that can't tie his shoes without an intern helping and who shouldn't be allowed to fill your fry order much less rule whether a man spends his life in prison?

Posted by: Cold Rage at July 10, 2020 02:17 PM (OXSar)

42 I imagine I'm the only one who doesn't know what an en banc hearing is.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at July 10, 2020 02:15 PM (bFWRI)
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I think its a very expensive pen that talks to you.....
Posted by: fixerupper at July 10, 2020 02:16 PM (yZPvv)

En banc hearings go *ping* when they eject.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 10, 2020 02:17 PM (t+qrx)

43 Diogenes. It's terrible to watch. It's destroyed my respect for judges.

Posted by: willow at July 10, 2020 02:18 PM (D6tcA)

44 38 >>>17 Let us see how fast Powell responds.

you do not want to rush a critical memo, just to save your client a few days' worry.

She will take ten days. Or nine and a quarter. She will not just shit this out. Nor will the DOJ.
Posted by: ace at July 10, 2020 02:17 PM (PbpT7)

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She already had it written, but she expected a 4,000 word limit. So now she has to cut out 57 words, and she just doesn't know which bon mots she can get rid of.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, running from a biplane in a cornfield at July 10, 2020 02:18 PM (LvTSG)

45 Not en banc yet. And the two groups ordered to file replies are the Flynn team and the DOJ.

Who the hell can even ask for en banc without actually being party to the case, again??

Posted by: trev006

A little old lady from Pasadena.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2020 02:18 PM (QFqpA)

46 ace, thank you for choosing the .004% of what I screamed below that makes me look sane.

Yeah, this is a sua sponte order so at least one judge wanted briefs on it.

Reminder: The DOJ is on Flynn's side in this. This is up to 10 days (which is standard reply time) for Flynn and the DOJ if it wants to file opposing briefs.

I find it more interesting that Sullivan cannot file a counter reply brief.

I have *no* idea if en banc will be granted. I see this as DC Circuit covering their ass for the inevitable cert to SCOTUS.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 02:18 PM (GbPPJ)

47 Several weeks ago, I was fairly sure that I had my head wrapped around this particular legal buttfuckery wrt Flynn, but now I don't know if this is good or bad, if true, or what.

Yep. It would be nice for someone to decipher the legal Ephors mumbo-jumbo for the benefit of us mere mortals.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 10, 2020 02:18 PM (HaL55)

48 42 I imagine I'm the only one who doesn't know what an en banc hearing is.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at July 10, 2020 02:15 PM (bFWRI)
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I think its a very expensive pen that talks to you.....
Posted by: fixerupper at July 10, 2020 02:16 PM (yZPvv)

En banc hearings go *ping* when they eject.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 10, 2020 02:17 PM (t+qrx)

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Ooo, that's the expensive machine. Make sure it's in the room when the administrator comes to visit.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, running from a biplane in a cornfield at July 10, 2020 02:18 PM (LvTSG)

49 I had to figure out the initial meaning of enhance 1st.

I'm no closer to knowing what the court is actually doing..lol
Posted by: willow at July 10, 20

Me too willow, I'm waiting for AtC to respond again.

Posted by: CaliGirl at July 10, 2020 02:19 PM (7bcfy)

50 It's possible that -- if you can believe this -- this "reporter" doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about, and is just tossing out lingo and jargon to sound smart.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*SNORT*

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 10, 2020 02:19 PM (W2Pud)

51 33 Several weeks ago, I was fairly sure that I had my head wrapped around this particular legal buttfuckery wrt Flynn, but now I don't know if this is good or bad, if true, or what.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 10, 2020 02:16 PM (t+qrx)

it's not even about Flynn or anything he did or did not do now. It's all about coming up with ways to make sure this stays in the courts until after election day, when it won't matter anymore. To be clear, I don't think they'll decide against him; the goal is to come up with ways to keep it going, and going, and going. They've done it for 3 years now, what's 4 more months?

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2020 02:19 PM (Kpl3J)

52 What percent of Americans know who Michael Flynn is? If it's more than 15 - 20% I should be rarely surprised indeed.

Posted by: ... at July 10, 2020 02:19 PM (M7Sjc)

53 THe enfuckening of the generall continues.
The hoky poky en banc with black robes swirling.

Posted by: azalea city at July 10, 2020 02:19 PM (WX+x0)

54 if I were Sydney Powell or the DOJ I wouldn't do a fucking thing. let these assholes figure their own way out.

Posted by: x at July 10, 2020 02:19 PM (nFwvY)

55 Let us see how fast Powell responds.

Unfortunately, the DOJ was invited too and they can stall for two weeks as well unless Barr cracks the whip.

Posted by: Grump928� at July 10, 2020 02:14 PM (jbtTP)

Powell responded with a motion to dismiss:

https://tinyurl.com/y855ahor

Posted by: Ann at July 10, 2020 02:19 PM (NDO5Q)

56 The ass holes should have jsut said no and finished this shit show

Posted by: It's me donna at July 10, 2020 02:19 PM (Zmnko)

57 It's destroyed my respect for judges.

Posted by: willow at July 10, 2020 02:18 PM (D6tcA)

One of my dear friends is a litigator. The stories he tells about how arrogant and stupid most judges are destroyed my respect for them a long time ago.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 10, 2020 02:20 PM (dLLD6)

58 57 It's destroyed my respect for judges.

Posted by: willow at July 10, 2020 02:18 PM (D6tcA)

One of my dear friends is a litigator. The stories he tells about how arrogant and stupid most judges are destroyed my respect for them a long time ago.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 10, 2020 02:20 PM (dLLD6)

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All judges should be Charles Laughton.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, running from a biplane in a cornfield at July 10, 2020 02:20 PM (LvTSG)

59 Greetings:

And, please, let's not get all hung up on former General Flynn's continuing to be under court supervision and thus something less than a free citizen.

Posted by: 11B40 at July 10, 2020 02:20 PM (evgyj)

60
The obligation of subjects to the sovereign is understood to last as long, and no longer, than the power lasteth by which he is able to protect them.

Thomas Hobbes, Leviathan

Posted by: Grad School Fool at July 10, 2020 02:20 PM (Tia6s)

61 In fairness to Sullivan Roberts was well on the list of destruction of courts and law in my mind.

I've come to the conclusion they will do what's best for their political well being

Posted by: willow at July 10, 2020 02:21 PM (D6tcA)

62 The ass holes should have jsut said no and finished this shit show
Posted by: It's me donna at

I'm no lawyer but from what I've seen everyone is a big fan of CYA

Posted by: CaliGirl at July 10, 2020 02:21 PM (7bcfy)

63 En Banc pens are way overpriced

it's pen, FFS.

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at July 10, 2020 02:21 PM (RKQ/v)

64 En banc is one of those fancy casino card games they play in Europeland. It requires a 'shoe' and sexy womens draped in silk. Think James Bond.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 10, 2020 02:21 PM (q1Pj5)

65
How does the asbestos help?
Posted by: Someguy

It disperses my pharts.

Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus at July 10, 2020 02:21 PM (VcFUs)

66 I'd imagine Powell will file before the 10 days are up.

Posted by: garrett at July 10, 2020 02:21 PM (7rlF0)

67 Ace, it seems to me that a motion has been filed and replies are being permitted. Ten days is pretty standard for that. Then another delay if the court wants to hold oral arguments.

It has been a while since I looked over the FRCP.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -The Outrage Outlet Proudly Sponsors Wokeapalooza - The Riot Festival of Summer! at July 10, 2020 02:21 PM (ElqsY)

68

This does not appear to be ruling that the court will reconsider the
matter en banc. Rather, it seems to mean that they will accept briefs
from Sydney Powell and the DOJ arguing against Sullivan's demand for an
en banc rehearing.

In other words, the court didn't necessarily vote to have an en banc
rehearing, but only to hold a hearing deciding about whether to vote for
an en banc rehearing.

Thenth whyth canth theyth justest sayeth this , fortwith unto the parties of the third part?

It's a real fuckin wonder why regular folks can't understand this shit.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - refuse to accept the Mask of the Beast at July 10, 2020 02:21 PM (CD5Uk)

69 16 Like I said, the Obama judge didn't ask for the en banc review because that would have started the process. Letting Sullivan request it at the last minute continues to extend the timeline. And here we are again, adding another week and a half. Expect the DOJ to take the full 10 days, because even though they've demanded to drop the case I doubt most of those deep state cocksuckers are happy about it and probably hope Sullivan wins.
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Well at least the court is not allowing any reply motions to be filed (for now anyway), so that limits the amount of time that the decision will be drawn out.

I still think they're not going to grant en banc review because the panel was right on the law and there is no point having an en banc review just to say that. And having an en banc review so that you can reverse the panel means that Sullivan gets to go ahead and conduct his own little personal, judge-run investigation into DOJ charging decisions, which runs afoul of Fokker, Supreme Court precedents, and the constitution itself.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 10, 2020 02:21 PM (k4dH2)

70 Thank you. That succinctly summarizes what I was trying to say.

"Everything was fine until Trump was elected ..."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 02:13 PM (YhzyV)

Trump has this way of popping these balloons. Sit back and watch.

Posted by: ... at July 10, 2020 02:21 PM (M7Sjc)

71 Judges are, for the most part, Giant Asshoe.

Posted by: garrett at July 10, 2020 02:22 PM (7rlF0)

72 66. I'd imagine Powell will file before the 10 days are up.

Posted by: garrett at July 10, 2020 02:21 PM (7rlF0)

Yes, she filed a motion to dismiss today: https://tinyurl.com/y855ahor

Posted by: Ann at July 10, 2020 02:22 PM (NDO5Q)

73 I think judiciary is this close from being ignored by everyone.
Know your neighbors.

Posted by: azalea city at July 10, 2020 02:22 PM (WX+x0)

74 The entire legal system is just made-up crap. They just use fancy words to try to cover up that fact.

Posted by: Chris M at July 10, 2020 02:22 PM (eAZVt)

75 At some point it would be nice for a judge to say "Enough, Flynn you're free, and Sullivan has to pay your lawyers fees for this latest delay."

Posted by: Iblis at July 10, 2020 02:22 PM (w4ZZT)

76 Appellate Judge 1: "You guys wanna entertain any more nonsense from this fucking retard Sullivan?"

Appellate Judges 2 - 19: "Are you fucking stupid? Hell NO! That G-D simpleton has cocked up the Flynn case so badly we are all going to come out of this smelling like Big Mike's taint after a heavy workout!!!"

App. J. 1: "Okay! Okay! Calm down. So, we should probably stay our June 24, 2020 Order for a bit, so Flynn's attorney can file something, eh?"

A.J. 2 - 19: "What do you mean?"

A.J. 1: "Allow Powell to file an opposition to Sullivan's stupid "Petition for En Banc Consideration" . . ."

A.J. 2 - 19: "And then fucking what? Have a damn hearing about whether to hear it en banc?"

A.J. 1: "Well, when you put it that way . . . 'a hearing on Whether to Have A Hearing' it sounds pretty fucking idiotic, but . . . yes."

A.J. 2 - 19 (*all consulting seniority charts to see when they can retire with full pensions*): "YES!!! FOR FUCK'S SAKE, YES!!!"

A.J. 1: "Jeez, you guys. Chill. I'll take care of it." *Issues Order Staying Order and Setting Hearing on Whether to Have a Hearing*

Three weeks later:

Bailiff: "Oyez, oyez! Please rise . . . this En Banc Hearing on Whether to Have a Hearing on Judge Sullivan's Petition for En Banc Consideration is now in session, the Honorable Judges 1 - 19, presiding!"

Posted by: Sharkman at July 10, 2020 02:23 PM (BM2fS)

77 Cbd. I'm a dummy. I always thought the Supremes would straighten bad decisions out. Now I think they are just as gross as politicians with as much honor.

Posted by: willow at July 10, 2020 02:23 PM (D6tcA)

78 One of my dear friends is a litigator. The stories he tells about how arrogant and stupid most judges are destroyed my respect for them a long time ago.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

They have NEVER held anything but disdain from me. I won't say anything further on Ace's place.

Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus at July 10, 2020 02:23 PM (VcFUs)

79 69 I still think they're not going to grant en banc review because the panel was right on the law and there is no point having an en banc review just to say that. And having an en banc review so that you can reverse the panel means that Sullivan gets to go ahead and conduct his own little personal, judge-run investigation into DOJ charging decisions, which runs afoul of Fokker, Supreme Court precedents, and the constitution itself.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 10, 2020 02:21 PM (k4dH2)

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I would imagine there are at least a couple of judges wondering what kind of precedent will get set if they start fighting prosecutors when they want to drop charges.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, running from a biplane in a cornfield at July 10, 2020 02:23 PM (LvTSG)

80 *waves to willow*

Sorry to disappoint, Horde, but ace pretty much got it right before adding in what I said (thank you, ace) so no yelling about that.

Also I slammed in 32gbs of RAM into my new computer and it basically loads the HQ instantly now.

*lies in wait to first*

meep meep motherfuckers

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 02:23 PM (GbPPJ)

81 My response:

As Judge Sullivan has now filed for an action in this case, ***he is now a party to this case*** and demonstrably desires a particular outcome, minimally that being, en banc review of the decision.

I ask that Judge Sullivan be replaced.

Or he has no standing and his request for en banc review should be thrown in the trash as if it were filed by a random stranger to the case.

There is no legal reality where this request should be seriously considered where Judge Sullivan remains the Juror deciding the case.

Posted by: mikethemoose at July 10, 2020 02:24 PM (Y6UV7)

82 Obscene.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at July 10, 2020 02:24 PM (0IMgo)

83 Thenth whyth canth theyth justest sayeth this , fortwith unto the parties of the third part?

Majesty of the court and all that. Not that Sullivan hasn't already dropped trou and mooned everyone.

Posted by: pep at July 10, 2020 02:24 PM (v16oJ)

84 i added an update, above the fold, explaining an en banc rehearing.

Update: Let me explain an en banc rehearing.

The circuit courts of appeals consist of a bunch of judges. For the DC circuit, it's 11.

But 11 judges do not hear one case. Instead, there's a random draw, and three judges are assigned to hear it.

Flynn won his hearing before a three judge panel, 2-1.

You can also request an en banc hearing, which is a hearing by all of the active judges (11 here), not just the three you were randomly assigned. It's basically an appeal, but not to a higher court, but the full sitting court.

I think that's what en banc really means -- "on the bench." Like, all of the judges on the bench in this case.

Granting a request for an en banc hearing is rare, but it happens.

Posted by: ace at July 10, 2020 02:24 PM (PbpT7)

85 It's a real fuckin wonder why regular folks can't understand this shit.

I just assume when any judge talks that I'm getting screwed without the courtesy of a reach around.

Now and then I'm pleasantly surprised. But typically, no reach around.

Posted by: Circular Thinking at July 10, 2020 02:24 PM (eN2PK)

86 Everybody's talking at me
I don't grasp a word they're saying
Only the fumes of the swamp.

I'm going where the law keeps ruling
Through the rain and shine
Going where the morals suit my soul.

En bancing off of the northeast winds
Fucking with the rule of law
Denying justice, like a boss.

Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 02:24 PM (HEEq1)

87 71 Judges are, for the most part, Giant Asshoe.
Posted by: garrett at July 10, 2020 02:22 PM (7rlF0)

I rate this as bigly true.

Posted by: CN at July 10, 2020 02:24 PM (ONvIw)

88 bluebell: "I thought that was Mel Blanc."

He had the million dollar voice, not pen. And that's all, folks.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at July 10, 2020 02:25 PM (HhXSr)

89 "Also I slammed in 32gbs of RAM into my new computer and it basically loads the HQ instantly now."

It's difficult to even use that much RAM, unless you're doing CAD or video editing. SSD FTW!

Posted by: Chris M at July 10, 2020 02:25 PM (eAZVt)

90 A stay of the appellate order of mandate doesn't require a vote of any judges; it's automatic until the court issues the order denying an en banc rehearing. Fed. R. App. Proc. 41(b): "The court's mandate must issue 7 days after the time to file a petition for rehearing expires, or 7 days after entry of an order denying a timely petition for panel rehearing, petition for rehearing en banc, or motion for stay of mandate, whichever is later. The court may shorten or extend the time by order."

A petition for en banc rehearing does not get a response, unless the court orders it. FRAP 35(e). I don't have enough experience with federal appeals to know whether the court's calling for a response means that it's more or less likely to grant the petition. However: "An en banc hearing or rehearing is not favored and ordinarily will not be ordered unless: (1) en banc consideration is necessary to secure or maintain uniformity of the court's decisions; or (2) the proceeding involves a question of exceptional importance." FRAP 35(a). I haven't read Sullivan's petition but 35(a)(1) does not seem to apply because the mandate order doesn't conflict with a prior circuit ruling; so he must be arguing the "exceptional importance" prong.

Posted by: Alex at July 10, 2020 02:25 PM (vshng)

91 It's possible that -- if you can believe this -- this "reporter" doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about, and is just tossing out lingo and jargon to sound smart.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*SNORT*

Posted by: nurse ratched

***

Indeed.
500 Quatloos the reporter was given a script written by a staffer somewhere on exactly what to say.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 10, 2020 02:25 PM (axyOa)

92 Squishes Alex..keeses keeses

Posted by: willow at July 10, 2020 02:25 PM (D6tcA)

93 "64 En banc is one of those fancy casino card games they play in Europeland. It requires a 'shoe' and sexy womens draped in silk. Think James Bond."

And you deal the hands out with a pizza paddle.

Posted by: goodluckduck at July 10, 2020 02:25 PM (ddLW2)

94 Wait, so the Judge WANTS guilty and is beyond obviously biased. And it continues to stand. The left recking ball to our institutions is unbelievable - just like they destroyed attorney client privilege to get at Trump.

Meanwhile a look into the battle for recalling Whitmer: Hello Thank you for your email. The Petition is not available to be printed on line due to security reasons of who is downloading it. We cannot have anyone that is associated with Gov. Whitmer down load it, take it for signatures and then have it end up in her Traverse City fireplace for example.

Posted by: Piratepatch from the flood zone at July 10, 2020 02:25 PM (YMD/O)

95 'Hot girl doing situps' ad is back.

Life isn't all bad.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Never Kneel, Free WA, Buy Ammo at July 10, 2020 02:26 PM (ifmtJ)

96 89 "Also I slammed in 32gbs of RAM into my new computer and it basically loads the HQ instantly now."

"It's difficult to even use that much RAM, unless you're doing CAD or video editing. SSD FTW!"

Or if Ace puts up 32 flaming skulls.

Posted by: goodluckduck at July 10, 2020 02:26 PM (ddLW2)

97 Also I slammed in 32gbs of RAM into my new computer and it basically loads the HQ instantly now.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 02:23 PM (GbPPJ)

Did you open-palm slam it?

Posted by: hogmartin at July 10, 2020 02:26 PM (t+qrx)

98 That's one of the things I don't like about the law.
They don't talk English. I think it's on purpose.
Hide behind a dead language. When they start that shit you know they are out to screw somebody.

Posted by: Case at July 10, 2020 02:26 PM (aDSHr)

99 Also I slammed in 32gbs of RAM into my new computer and it basically loads the HQ instantly now.

*lies in wait to first*

meep meep motherfuckers
Posted by: alexthechick

Wait. You're a gamer and you just removed 75% of you RAM just to get first?

Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus at July 10, 2020 02:26 PM (VcFUs)

100 If I'm not mistaken judges were all once lawyers.

Posted by: ... at July 10, 2020 02:26 PM (M7Sjc)

101 Fizzbin > En Banc

Posted by: Circular Thinking at July 10, 2020 02:26 PM (eN2PK)

102 The law as with many professions has its own language that other people who aren't part of it can't understand, so I just thought all this stuff with Judge Sullivan was part of a "normal" delay. The law also has these chess moves, "I move my piece here and then you do this". Therefore I was waiting for someone to explain it to me.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 10, 2020 02:26 PM (oDRcK)

103 I always thought the Supremes would straighten bad
decisions out.

Posted by: willow at July 10, 2020 02:23 PM (D6tcA)

"Isn't it pretty to think so..."

I thought the same thing.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 10, 2020 02:27 PM (dLLD6)

104 Also I slammed in 32gbs of RAM into my new computer and it basically loads the HQ instantly now.

I read that as 32dds for some reason.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 10, 2020 02:27 PM (q1Pj5)

105 70 Thank you. That succinctly summarizes what I was trying to say.
"Everything was fine until Trump was elected ...
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 02:13 PM (YhzyV)

Trump has this way of popping these balloons. Sit back and watch.
Posted by: ...

From your keyboard to God's inbox --

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at July 10, 2020 02:27 PM (gaFth)

106 I don't know. I read on the last thread that this was a cunning stunt.

Something like that anyway.

I'll go back and check.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 10, 2020 02:27 PM (TZi47)

107 Apparently Sidney Powell is loaded for bear. She is introducing declassified material to the court about Obama and Biden lies about the Logan Act and Flynn.

Posted by: Jmel at July 10, 2020 02:27 PM (bVhJi)

108 I don't think ATC was being crazy
Just tired of misinformation
Just people like me no longer know what's going on

Posted by: Harley at July 10, 2020 02:27 PM (aldSv)

109 Ace so is there anything after an an an banc hearing other than a possible second? Is there more and more ..and more?

Also phone doesn't recognise term an bench have to keep fixing

Posted by: willow at July 10, 2020 02:27 PM (D6tcA)

110 Could you imagine sullivan getting reassigned to Hawaii?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 10, 2020 02:28 PM (dNzKv)

111 If Roberts is so concerned about the integrity of the Courts, he would end this farce now

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 10, 2020 02:28 PM (tsZQ+)

112 I too have a new computer coming today by UPS. I7, 32GB, 1TB SSD.

Since I had my last I2 system for seven years I feel like I deserve an upgrade.

Posted by: Grump928© at July 10, 2020 02:28 PM (jbtTP)

113 Judges are

And that's all I have to say about that.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Schlonging Forrest Gump's Drug Addled Girlfriend at July 10, 2020 02:28 PM (+dsLj)

114 Did you open-palm slam it?
Posted by: hogmartin at July 10, 2020 02:26 PM (t+qrx)

Not initially.

Wait. You're a gamer and you just removed 75% of you RAM just to get first?
Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus at July 10, 2020 02:26 PM (VcFUs)

Heh. I just unconsole peasanted myself a couple of weeks ago and said no, no, I just need a midrange system and I'm not going to spend money to upgrade.

I want credit for lasting three weeks.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 02:29 PM (GbPPJ)

115 "Also I slammed in 32gbs of RAM into my new computer and it basically loads the HQ instantly now."

The entire Library of Congress now buffers.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2020 02:29 PM (QFqpA)

116 Cbd. I adored loved desired my rose colored glasses and am angry they've been feltched from me.

Posted by: willow at July 10, 2020 02:29 PM (D6tcA)

117 >>I don't think ATC was being crazy

She just needs some Brownies.

*Proffers Plate of Brownies to The Empress*

Posted by: garrett at July 10, 2020 02:29 PM (7rlF0)

118 It just so happens I have a Judge in my chair now getting her teeth cleaned

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 10, 2020 02:29 PM (tsZQ+)

119 Grump it's fabulous and earned.

Posted by: willow at July 10, 2020 02:29 PM (D6tcA)

120 BTW Hordemates,
I sent Mike a note not long ago and told him he had a hell of a lot of support out here in Real America. He appreciates it.

Good, thankew.

I hope the Horde read Gen. Flynn's most excellent post a couple of weeks ago concerning what we're facing today. Heah it be...

https://tinyurl.com/ybyankla

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 10, 2020 02:29 PM (HaL55)

121 Also I slammed in 32gbs of RAM into my new computer and it basically loads the HQ instantly now.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 02:23 PM (GbPPJ)

Whoa, 32 gigs?

Posted by: ... at July 10, 2020 02:29 PM (M7Sjc)

122 >>> In other words, the court didn't necessarily vote to have an en banc
rehearing, but only to hold a hearing deciding about whether to vote for
an en banc rehearing.

And which party to the case at hand requested the en-banc?

Since when does someone whom is not a party to the case get to file such a motion?

The appellate court is skirting some dangerous territory by even taking judicial notice of Judge Sullivan's motion.

At the minimum it's prima facie evidence that Judge Sullivan is not impartial. And there is no way his conviction would now survive appeal.

The safest action for the court would have been to roundfile his motion for lack of standing.

Posted by: mikethemoose at July 10, 2020 02:30 PM (Y6UV7)

123 Ace so is there anything after an an an banc hearing other than a possible second? Is there more and more ..and more?

Also phone doesn't recognise term an bench have to keep fixing

Posted by: willow

***

Think of the memes for this.
en banc
en banc banc
en banc du banc
en banky banky

Posted by: Diogenes at July 10, 2020 02:30 PM (axyOa)

124 Alex tried to get into VR, but everything was still to high for her to reach.

Posted by: garrett at July 10, 2020 02:30 PM (7rlF0)

125 When they spin the roulette wheel in Monte Carlo, the croupier always announces,

"L'oeuf a la banc."

Meaning -- if the ball lands on zero, all bets lose, and the casino ("la banc") gets everything on the table.

But for years I didn't quite hear correctly what they said (in movies, of course -- I've never actually gambled in Monte Carlo), and thought they were saying "Neuf a la banc," meaning "Nine{/i] to the bank." I thought this was some weird rule for European casinos whereby if the ball lands on Nine, everyone loses. It wasn't until many years later that I learned that the word for egg, "oeuf," in French is slang for "Zero" -- just like "goose egg" in American gambling parlance.

Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 02:30 PM (HEEq1)

126 ace: "Granting a request for an en banc hearing is rare, but it happens."

Should it ever happen? I mean unless there is gross negligence or absolute conflict of interest, it shouldn't happen seems to me. Because the Appeals Court is just setting things up for every decision to be appealed to the full court since one side is always going to lose. And all they've done is introduce yet another delay in a system that is wrought with delay AND maintains a docket that is forever over-scheduled. En banc should be rare simply as a practical matter.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at July 10, 2020 02:30 PM (HhXSr)

127 How can they even respond? There is no case, there is nobody to bring a case. They've done their jobs.

Posted by: t-bird at July 10, 2020 02:30 PM (3fR4G)

128 Ugh. Unitalic.

Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 02:30 PM (HEEq1)

129 Thank you, garrett.

*noms*

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 02:30 PM (GbPPJ)

130 Nevergiveup..i won't give suggestions for you. Because I care

Posted by: willow at July 10, 2020 02:30 PM (D6tcA)

131 Mrs. Powell must see through these blatant delaying tactics to string this out until there is a new attorney general.

I'm willing to bet that she won't take ten days. I wouldn't be completely surprised if she didn't have this document ready to go already given the shenanigans of this judge - and has it ready to file by the end of the day.

Posted by: Defenestratus at July 10, 2020 02:30 PM (9V81o)

132 Cbd. I adored loved desired my rose colored glasses and am angry they've been feltched from me.
Posted by: willow

*raised eyebrows*

Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2020 02:31 PM (QFqpA)

133 Can a banned troll ask for an en banc hearing of CoBs?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: The Other Kurt at July 10, 2020 02:31 PM (DMUuz)

134 The law as with many professions has its own language
****
That's what Blacks Law Dictionary is for which you don't really need because search engines. Legal insurrection has a write up on the Sullivan clown show.

Posted by: Piratepatch from the flood zone at July 10, 2020 02:31 PM (YMD/O)

135 "L'oeuf a la banc."

Also the origin of 'love' in tennis, right?

Posted by: t-bird at July 10, 2020 02:31 PM (3fR4G)

136 AtC,
Do you know how and when the use of Latin, French, and maybe other non English words and terms became customary or required in US legal proceedings?

Do you know if the United Kingdom uses the same Latin, etc, terms in their legal proceedings? Did we simply carry-on what was used in the English courts in the 18th Century?

Just curious. Thanks for any help!

Posted by: Gref at July 10, 2020 02:32 PM (AMIL/)

137 *lies in wait to first*

meep meep motherfuckers
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria

hey, you're the only person who can get away with that.

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 10, 2020 02:32 PM (W2Pud)

138 As has been said, the only way Flynn gets free of The Wheel of Pain is through a Presidential pardon.

The Deep State will never free him willingly.

And I hope Flynn is jotting everything he knows down somewhere, I hear former General's can be quite clumsy when they are cleaning their 30-06.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 10, 2020 02:32 PM (pxPu3)

139 135 "L'oeuf a la banc."

Also the origin of 'love' in tennis, right?
Posted by: t-bird

Yep. Precisely.

Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 02:32 PM (HEEq1)

140 Requests for en banc review are nearly always denied without comment. An order allowing the other side time to reply to such a request is customary.

Things could go well, or not, for Flynn as a result of this motion, but there is nothing I'm seeing here from which to read the tea leaves.

Posted by: Blacksheep at July 10, 2020 02:32 PM (8/DeP)

141 Alex tried to get into VR, but everything was still to high for her to reach.
Posted by: garrett at July 10, 2020 02:30 PM (7rlF0)
---------
Oh good b/c I was promised kicking and flamethrowers above and it didn't happen, but now...

Posted by: jhawk90 at July 10, 2020 02:32 PM (/ZYFC)

142 112 I too have a new computer coming today by UPS.

hope it survives
we are peak season busy because of covid
all the work you want to do, contractors,...
crazy

Posted by: harley at July 10, 2020 02:32 PM (2EU+/)

143 Nazareth: May the Sun Shine
https://youtu.be/3ONGG2iyBrg

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Never Kneel, Free WA, Buy Ammo at July 10, 2020 02:33 PM (ifmtJ)

144 Diogenes or lower. Spanky spank

Posted by: willow at July 10, 2020 02:33 PM (D6tcA)

145 Nevergiveup: "It just so happens I have a Judge in my chair now getting her teeth cleaned"

Be careful of the tongue. The tines can be very sharp.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at July 10, 2020 02:33 PM (HhXSr)

146 Everybody's talking at me
I don't grasp a word they're saying
Only the fumes of the swamp.

I'm going where the law keeps ruling
Through the rain and shine
Going where the morals suit my soul.

En bancing off of the northeast winds
Fucking with the rule of law
Denying justice, like a boss.

*sniff* That was beautiful, man.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 10, 2020 02:33 PM (HaL55)

147 Andddd...

Which Supreme Court Judge is the one who oversees the DC Circuit?

Oh, great, Roberts.

/spit

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 10, 2020 02:33 PM (NgKpN)

148 Love the bench?

Posted by: willow at July 10, 2020 02:33 PM (D6tcA)

149 136 AtC,
Do you know how and when the use of Latin, French, and maybe other non English words and terms became customary or required in US legal proceedings?

Do you know if the United Kingdom uses the same Latin, etc, terms in their legal proceedings? Did we simply carry-on what was used in the English courts in the 18th Century?

Just curious. Thanks for any help!
Posted by: Gref

Law was taught in Latin in British school until the 18th century, at least -- possibly into the 19th century. They literally conducted the law classes in Latin.

Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 02:33 PM (HEEq1)

150 Be careful of the tongue. The tines can be very sharp.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at July 10, 2020 02:33 PM (HhXSr)

Forked

Posted by: CN at July 10, 2020 02:34 PM (ONvIw)

151
Squishes Alex..keeses keeses
Posted by: willow at July 10, 2020 02:25 PM (D6tcA)

------

...... go on....

Posted by: fixerupper at July 10, 2020 02:34 PM (yZPvv)

152 It just so happens I have a Judge in my chair now getting her teeth cleaned
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 10, 2020 02:29 PM

Get out the drill, oil of cloves, and ask "Is it safe?"

Posted by: Chuck C at July 10, 2020 02:35 PM (d/5jB)

153 "I learned that the word for egg, "oeuf," in French is slang for "Zero" -- just like "goose egg" in American gambling parlance."

And when it hits, everybody in the casino made an "oof" sound. Later game developers used this sound for Roblox characters dying.

At least that's what I heard.

Posted by: goodluckduck at July 10, 2020 02:35 PM (fgxSR)

154 If they deny en banc, is the case automatically thrown out? Or does Judge Asshole have time for more maneuvers?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 10, 2020 02:35 PM (oVJmc)

155 149 136 AtC,
Do you know how and when the use of Latin, French, and maybe other non English words and terms became customary or required in US legal proceedings?

Do you know if the United Kingdom uses the same Latin, etc, terms in their legal proceedings? Did we simply carry-on what was used in the English courts in the 18th Century?

Just curious. Thanks for any help!
Posted by: Gref

Law was taught in Latin in British school until the 18th century, at least -- possibly into the 19th century. They literally conducted the law classes in Latin.
Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 02:33 PM (HEEq1)

Laws on the continent were Roman law, or derived from such. England had a fair amount of influence too from the time it was a Roman province.

Posted by: Someguy at July 10, 2020 02:36 PM (Zm+LZ)

156 There is no justice at the federal court level. Just thugs.

Posted by: iandeal at July 10, 2020 02:36 PM (bLfy6)

157 >>Squishes Alex..keeses keeses

Well, that's just plain Hot.

Posted by: garrett at July 10, 2020 02:36 PM (RU8tN)

158 So there going to hear and rule on whether it is OK for a law enforcement agency to hide exculpatory material until they've forced you into a plea, but once you've made a plea then it doesn't matter if the agency violated all the supposedly sacred rights of the defense?

How does this not risk turning "Defund the police" into "And take those bastards wearing black robes with them, because the only way we get justice is by getting it ourselves?"

Posted by: Bete at July 10, 2020 02:36 PM (Ojki1)

159 It's not "all the judges on the bench," only the active judges, i.e., no senior judges.

Posted by: Wethal at July 10, 2020 02:36 PM (ZzVCK)

160 Listened to the arguments by Sidney Powell and DOJ attorney and all of Sullivan's complaints were covered by the oral arguments, IMO. Hoping the DOJ attorney takes Noel Francisco's position as Solicitor General bc he was stellar. Sidney was, of course, very good, but the DOJ guy was excellent.

Posted by: EveR at July 10, 2020 02:36 PM (ZZDMQ)

161 En banc-ia
En banc-ia
You border on the geriatric
And your chief expert is blow'm!

Posted by: andycanuck at July 10, 2020 02:36 PM (TZi47)

162 In high school, we would le boof en banc.

Posted by: Justice Brett Kavanaugh at July 10, 2020 02:36 PM (q1Pj5)

163 My head is spinning. So who hears the hearing on the En banc: the three judge panel or the En banc?

Posted by: WisRich at July 10, 2020 02:36 PM (G0vdT)

164 Willowing is about to get a whole 'nother definition.

Posted by: ... at July 10, 2020 02:36 PM (M7Sjc)

165 AtC,
Do you know how and when the use of Latin, French, and maybe other non English words and terms became customary or required in US legal proceedings?

Do you know if the United Kingdom uses the same Latin, etc, terms in their legal proceedings? Did we simply carry-on what was used in the English courts in the 18th Century?

Just curious. Thanks for any help!
Posted by: Gref at July 10, 2020 02:32 PM (AMIL/)

It's an artifact of British common law. Latin was used because that's what everyone used back in like 1100.

Remember, Louisiana still uses the Napoleonic code as the basis for its laws, so there's a lot of French in there.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 02:37 PM (GbPPJ)

166 This goes to the Supreme Court and Roberts issues the Majority Opinion: Stare Decisis requires Flynn to be put to death.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 10, 2020 02:37 PM (dNzKv)

167 Wouldn't need all these bullshit degrees if they would just let a dead language stay dead.

Posted by: Case at July 10, 2020 02:37 PM (aDSHr)

168 my respect for the judges is cratering

Posted by: x at July 10, 2020 02:37 PM (nFwvY)

169 "oeuf," in French is slang for "Zero" -- just like "goose egg" in American gambling parlance.
Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 02:30 PM (HEEq1)

That's also why the French have a small breakfast. One egg is un oeuf.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 10, 2020 02:37 PM (t+qrx)

170
Thank you. That succinctly summarizes what I was trying to say.

"Everything was fine until Trump was elected ..."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 02:13 PM (YhzyV)

Everything was not fine until Trump was elected... hell, he wouldn't have even been nominated if everything was fine.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 10, 2020 02:37 PM (nAiE/)

171 Isn't the term for a judge requesting an en banc "sua sponte"?

Anyway.

In the 9th Circus a few years back, a panel decision (on a yuuuuge, yuuuuge case, involving right to bear arms) went the wrong way. So wrong, the judge writing the decision basically wrote it incorporating Heller as much as possible, in effect daring the full circuit to overturn SCOTUS.

Which they did, without missing a beat, with an en banc second bite at the rotten apple. So yeah en banc is rare, unless the legislature, er, "court" in question has to slap down an outbreak of law or facts or common sense.

The 9th also just makes s**t up as it goes, as needed, to quash any revival of constitutional rights or rule of law, like ignoring their own norms for parties to a case, etc.

Perhaps a farcical judiciary, as we have, is unavoidable, given human nature and the apparent lack of ethics. But allowing that judiciary to be more than a minor bit player, as intended, is a catastrophe.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 10, 2020 02:38 PM (El6T/)

172 163 My head is spinning. So who hears the hearing on the En banc: the three judge panel or the En banc?
Posted by: WisRich

Who's keeping watch o'er the watchkeeper's daughter when the watchkeeper's out keeping watch?

Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 02:38 PM (HEEq1)

173 OT but why, suddenly with the Kavanaugh hearings did the left get its tits in a wringer about start decisis? Never heard of it before, but now can't mention SCOTUS without it.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 10, 2020 02:38 PM (dNzKv)

174 20 3,900 word limit?

So random.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, running from a biplane in a cornfield at July 10, 2020 02:14 PM (LvTSG)

Same thought here.

Why not 3142, and call it 1000 pi?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 02:38 PM (YhzyV)

175 Garret you may watch no touching tho

Posted by: willow at July 10, 2020 02:38 PM (D6tcA)

176 Law was taught in Latin in British school until the 18th century, at least -- possibly into the 19th century. They literally conducted the law classes in Latin.

Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 02:33 PM (HEEq1)

Thank you. I suppose this tradition or custom will end soon. The Romans had slaves.

Posted by: Gref at July 10, 2020 02:38 PM (AMIL/)

177 I would imagine there are at least a couple of judges wondering what kind of precedent will get set if they start fighting prosecutors when they want to drop charges.
_______________

It's just not the constitutional role of the judiciary to investigate whether or not the DOJ is doing its job properly. Sullivan simply does not have the constitutional authority to investigate DOJ charging decisions. And even if he did, the evidence in this case is overwhelming that the Obama DOJ set Powell up. And that evidence is not even in dispute. We have the FBI agents' own case notes admitting that they concluded that Flynn had not committed any crimes, and that the purpose of the multiple interviews with him was to try and entrap him. We have the evidence from Covington & Burling confirming that there was a side agreement not to prosecute Flynn's son under FARA, a side agreement that was used to coerce Flynn to accept a guilty plea, and that agreement was never disclosed to the trial court at the time of the plea submission, as required by law. In fact, the Obama prosecutor signed a sworn oath stating that there were no material side agreements, a statement that was blatantly perjurious. There is a mountain of evidence -- undisputed evidence -- that the Obama DOJ's prosecution of Flynn was malicious and unethical and illegal and done for improper political motives, and that the Trump DOJ's decision to withdraw the charges was entirely appropriate. So even if Sullivan had the power to investigate, which he does not, no investigation is needed here because the undisputed facts speak for themselves.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 10, 2020 02:38 PM (k4dH2)

178
So..... Shia La Boof and Matt Le Blanc are a thing.???

ewwwwww

Posted by: fixerupper at July 10, 2020 02:38 PM (yZPvv)

179 I know almost nothing about the law to proffer anything other than time waits for no man, the chickens come home to roost, dead men tell no tales, always split aces and eights in blackjack and once in a blue moon, pigs fly, it rains cats and dogs so don't miss the boat.

Oh wait, I do know one thing, the law is an ass.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 10, 2020 02:39 PM (r+sAi)

180 Requests for en banc review are nearly always denied without comment.

How often are they made by a judge when both sides are trying to drop a case? I'm putting my money on 0, although that earlier roulette comment makes me think I can't.

Posted by: t-bird at July 10, 2020 02:39 PM (JioHo)

181 That's also why the French have a small breakfast. One egg is un oeuf.
Posted by: hogmartin

Badda-bing! And boy, are your arms tired.

Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 02:39 PM (HEEq1)

182 hey, you're the only person who can get away with that.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 10, 2020 02:32 PM (W2Pud)

Might you consider a Bander dispensation as well?

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 02:39 PM (GbPPJ)

183 98 That's one of the things I don't like about the law.
They don't talk English. I think it's on purpose.
Hide behind a dead language. When they start that shit you know they are out to screw somebody.
Posted by: Case at July 10, 2020 02:26 PM (aDSHr)

historical trivia - English Courts, ruling over the English, Irish, and Scots, used Norman French for documents until the 18th century.

and up til the reformation the Church spoke nothing but Latin.

No wonder Robin Hood and his men went and hid out in the forest.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2020 02:39 PM (Kpl3J)

184 Monsoon season in the North east

Posted by: Skip at July 10, 2020 02:39 PM (6f16T)

185 Meaning -- if the ball lands on zero, all bets lose, and the casino ("la banc") gets everything on the table.

This is true for American roulette (both the super-rare single zero, and normal double zero.

For European single-zero roulette, when zero (green) hits, bets like even/odd, red/black, etc., are frozen, and the ball spun again. The above bets that then 'win' are returned to the bettor, and 'losing' bets collected by the casino.

This rule accounts for the difference between house percentages between the American & European variants.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 10, 2020 02:39 PM (DMUuz)

186 It's an artifact of British common law. Latin was used because that's what everyone used back in like 1100.

Remember, Louisiana still uses the Napoleonic code as the basis for its laws, so there's a lot of French in there.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 02:37 PM (GbPPJ)

Thank you.

Posted by: Gref at July 10, 2020 02:40 PM (AMIL/)

187 34 BTW Hordemates,
I sent Mike a note not long ago and told him he had a hell of a lot of support out here in Real America. He appreciates it.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 10, 2020 02:16 PM (axyOa)

Does he read this blog, or at least aware of it?

I hope so.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 10, 2020 02:40 PM (sy5kK)

188 108 I don't think ATC was being crazy
Just tired of misinformation
Just people like me no longer know what's going on
Posted by: Harley at July 10, 2020 02:27 PM (aldSv)

Pretty sure that is the point. If the little people are frightened of when the system might come for them for whatever reason, they live small, fearful lives while the powerful can be seen as above the law.

At that might might as well just pack the US Constitution away in some time capsule in case some future explore wants to look at it for clues as to where the Founding Fathers hid their Masonic treasure, cause we sure won't be using it for anything,

Posted by: Bete at July 10, 2020 02:40 PM (Ojki1)

189 The three judge panel is as much to blame for this as anyone.

They should have immediately ordered a stay in your lane to Sullivan when he went rogue. Instead they said hey that's interesting tell us more.

ADM Painter knows the deal.

Posted by: blaster at July 10, 2020 02:40 PM (Ieq1i)

190 To follow this mess, I'm going to need a corkboard, colored string, pushpins, and colored paper. Oh, and some Valu-Rite.

Posted by: pookysgirl, listening to AtC going up an octave at July 10, 2020 02:40 PM (XKZwp)

191 Could Judge Sullivan have so crossed the line as to open Himself up for a malcious prosecution suit as well?
Inquiring minds want to know....

Posted by: Boxer brief at July 10, 2020 02:40 PM (SqopC)

192 168 my respect for the judges is cratering
Posted by: x at July 10, 2020 02:37 PM (nFwvY)

Mine is missing.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 02:40 PM (YhzyV)

193 How often are they made by a judge when both sides are trying to drop a case? I'm putting my money on 0, although that earlier roulette comment makes me think I can't.
Posted by: t-bird at July 10, 2020 02:39 PM (JioHo)

Everything about this case is the First Time it's ever happened.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2020 02:40 PM (Kpl3J)

194 Ok, hear me out- Sullivan is upheld, and the Judiciary now gets to act as prosecutor. Does that mean local judges can hire deputy judges to ride around town enforcing judgements on crimes as they happen?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 10, 2020 02:40 PM (dNzKv)

195 So Sidney gets ten days to write another brief shredding Sullivan's arguments like cole slaw.

Annoying delay, but the appeals court likely wants to be seen as following procedure.

Posted by: Wethal at July 10, 2020 02:40 PM (ZzVCK)

196
Who is Mike??

Posted by: fixerupper at July 10, 2020 02:41 PM (yZPvv)

197 This is how I see it:

Sometime in the next 5 days a response is filed.
En Banc review is either denied or scheduled in August and upholds the decision. (I don't see an outcome that otherwise happens)

If Judge Sullivan then files an appeal there is no way to avoid removing him from the case.

Posted by: mikethemoose at July 10, 2020 02:41 PM (Y6UV7)

198 OK, B'Gal's up.

BBL.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Who can fight the beast? Revelation 13:4 at July 10, 2020 02:41 PM (HaL55)

199 The three judge panel is as much to blame for this as anyone.

They should have immediately ordered a stay in your lane to Sullivan when he went rogue. Instead they said hey that's interesting tell us more.

The Senate should put Sullivan on the Alcee Hastings plan.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 02:41 PM (YhzyV)

200 191 Could Judge Sullivan have so crossed the line as to open Himself up for a malcious prosecution suit as well?
Inquiring minds want to know....
Posted by: Boxer brief at July 10, 2020 02:40 PM (SqopC)

Qualified Immunity, baybee!!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2020 02:41 PM (Kpl3J)

201 184 Monsoon season in the North east
Posted by: Skip at July 10, 2020 02:39 PM (6f16T)

We got a centimeter of rain so far. I am hoping for more.

Posted by: CN at July 10, 2020 02:41 PM (ONvIw)

202 Is there a case so big, even Judge Sullivan can't prosecute it?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 10, 2020 02:41 PM (dNzKv)

203 Why is it whenever I hear anything about a court ruling I either hear calliope music or the wacky sax of Bennie Hill.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 10, 2020 02:42 PM (hku12)

204 @drawandstrike 22m

OK folks buckle up.
@SidneyPowell1 just made a new filing at Court.

In it she goes over the newly unsealed exculpatory evidence that USA EDMO Jeffrey Jensen gave her 3 days ago on July 7.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 10, 2020 02:42 PM (L6ZYH)

205 I would like someone to remake Marilyn Monro's Diamonds are a Girl's Best Friend to
Ammo is a Girl's Best Friend

Posted by: vmom 2020 at July 10, 2020 02:42 PM (TOyHQ)

206 "This is true for American roulette (both the super-rare single zero, and normal double zero."

Why would it be super-rare? Aren't all the spaces equally likely?

Posted by: Chris M at July 10, 2020 02:42 PM (eAZVt)

207 BTW Hordemates,
I sent Mike a note not long ago and told him he had a hell of a lot of support out here in Real America. He appreciates it.
Posted by: Diogenes

Send him another and ask him if he needs an assistant for Pinochet Air after this is all over.

Back off horde! I asked first!

Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2020 02:42 PM (QFqpA)

208 No wonder Robin Hood and his men went and hid out in the forest.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2020 02:39 PM

Don't discount the romantic allure of a forest boudoir.

It's how he made Marion.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 10, 2020 02:42 PM (DMUuz)

209 183 98 That's one of the things I don't like about the law.
They don't talk English. I think it's on purpose.
Hide behind a dead language. When they start that shit you know they are out to screw somebody.
Posted by: Case at July 10, 2020 02:26 PM (aDSHr)

historical trivia - English Courts, ruling over the English, Irish, and Scots, used Norman French for documents until the 18th century.

and up til the reformation the Church spoke nothing but Latin.

No wonder Robin Hood and his men went and hid out in the forest.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2020 02:39 PM (Kpl3J)

Considering the Italian languages, French, and Spanish languages were derived from Latin it was pretty reasonable. Iirc the good King Richard the Lionheart of the Robin Hood stories was Norman anyways.

Posted by: Someguy at July 10, 2020 02:42 PM (Zm+LZ)

210 hey, you're the only person who can get away with that.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 10, 2020 02:32 PM (W2Pud)

Child, you are wise beyond your years!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 10, 2020 02:42 PM (eTZoJ)

211 Sidney Powell is a true legal hero of our time, and entirely ignored by the legal profession outside the Conservasphere.

And the NYC and NY State Bar Associations can't slobber enough awards on Sally Yates and NY AG Letitia James, who are themselves both implicated in prosecutorial abuse of political enemies.

Well I'm sure the ACLU will be right on it...

Posted by: Boxer brief at July 10, 2020 02:43 PM (SqopC)

212 Mike is Michael Flynn

Posted by: notsothoreau at July 10, 2020 02:43 PM (JKNZq)

213 Is there a case so big, even Judge Sullivan can't prosecute it?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

Obama's treason.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2020 02:43 PM (QFqpA)

214 Was Robin Hood originally "Robbing Hood"?

Posted by: vmom 2020 at July 10, 2020 02:43 PM (TOyHQ)

215 When this goes to the supreme court is it the 5th Circuit vs the DOJ? Sullivan vs Flynn? US Govt vs Flynn?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 10, 2020 02:43 PM (dNzKv)

216 >>Why is it whenever I hear anything about a court ruling I either hear calliope music or the wacky sax of Bennie Hill.

Kazoo.

Reminds me of the Tim Geithner Episode of SouthPark.

Posted by: garrett at July 10, 2020 02:44 PM (HL0so)

217 Sidney Powell is a true legal hero of our time, and entirely ignored by the legal profession outside the Conservasphere.

Possible RBG replacement?

Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2020 02:44 PM (QFqpA)

218 This isn't about getting Flynn. This is about protecting Obama.

Posted by: troyriser at July 10, 2020 02:44 PM (xeeMq)

219 @drawandstrike 22m

OK folks buckle up.
@SidneyPowell1 just made a new filing at Court.

In it she goes over the newly unsealed exculpatory evidence that USA EDMO Jeffrey Jensen gave her 3 days ago on July 7.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 10, 2020 02:42 PM (L6ZYH)

Well this just got interesting.

I think. I mean, it should.

Does it, really?

Posted by: hogmartin at July 10, 2020 02:44 PM (t+qrx)

220 185 Meaning -- if the ball lands on zero, all bets lose, and the casino ("la banc") gets everything on the table.

This is true for American roulette (both the super-rare single zero, and normal double zero.

For European single-zero roulette, when zero (green) hits, bets like even/odd, red/black, etc., are frozen, and the ball spun again. The above bets that then 'win' are returned to the bettor, and 'losing' bets collected by the casino.

This rule accounts for the difference between house percentages between the American & European variants.
Posted by: Duncanthrax

Fascinating! Thanks for the roulette insiders' trivia.

I once read that, trivial as it might seem to casual players, the difference in odds between a roulette wheel with just one green "Zero" slot and wheel with TWO green "Zero" and "Double Zero" slots in actually significant. Short version: Don't even go near a wheel with two losing slots. The odds against you are crushing. Of course, all roulette wheel gambling is an automatically losing proposition, but you'll lose it a lot faster on a two-zero-slot wheel.

Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 02:45 PM (HEEq1)

221 The only sentences I wish to hear based on English jurisprudence are, "That you be drawn on a hurdle to the place of execution where you shall be hanged by the neck and being alive cut down, your privy members shall be cut off and your bowels taken out and burned before you, your head severed from your body and your body divided into four quarters to be disposed of at the Trump's pleasure."

Posted by: andycanuck at July 10, 2020 02:45 PM (TZi47)

222 @ 171 - Sua sponte just means of the court's own initiation, not at the request of one of the parties or another outside actor. It doesn't happen everyday, but it also isn't rare.

@163 - If en banc review is granted, all the judges of that Circuit consider the case, as opposed to the smaller (usually 3) judge panel that considers it originally.

Being unhappy with what the panel decided is not grounds for en banc review, there has to be momentum within the room that the smaller panel committed a significant mistake or error for an en banc review to be granted.

Posted by: Blacksheep at July 10, 2020 02:45 PM (8/DeP)

223 @ 171 - Sua sponte just means of the court's own initiation, not at the request of one of the parties or another outside actor. It doesn't happen everyday, but it also isn't rare.

@163 - If en banc review is granted, all the judges of that Circuit consider the case, as opposed to the smaller (usually 3) judge panel that considers it originally.

Being unhappy with what the panel decided is not grounds for en banc review, there has to be momentum within the room that the smaller panel committed a significant mistake or error for an en banc review to be granted.

Posted by: Blacksheep at July 10, 2020 02:45 PM (8/DeP)

224 @217
We need her in the trenches.
It's like when a good trial judge gets appointed to an Appellate Court.
Real lawyers are happy for the individual but often feel its a net loss to the profession. Its the good front line lawyers and Judges who make things work (to the extent they do)

Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 10, 2020 02:45 PM (SqopC)

225 I would like someone to remake Marilyn Monro's Diamonds are a Girl's Best Friend to

Ammo is a Girl's Best Friend

Posted by: vmom 2020 at July 10, 2020 02:42 PM (TOyHQ)

Isn't ammo plural [it should be!]? Therefore, ammo are a girl's best friend.
Requesting an en banc review.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 10, 2020 02:46 PM (q1Pj5)

226 Weft cut. What does re of Missouri have to do with Flynn in dc?

Posted by: willow at July 10, 2020 02:46 PM (D6tcA)

227 211 Sidney Powell is a true legal hero of our time, and entirely ignored by the legal profession outside the Conservasphere.

And the NYC and NY State Bar Associations can't slobber enough awards on Sally Yates and NY AG Letitia James, who are themselves both implicated in prosecutorial abuse of political enemies.

Well I'm sure the ACLU will be right on it...
Posted by: Boxer brief at July 10, 2020 02:43 PM (SqopC)
----------

At this point, I'd be yelling in court, Pacino style: "Out of order? Out of order? This whole trial is out of order!"

Posted by: WisRich at July 10, 2020 02:46 PM (G0vdT)

228 When they spin the roulette wheel in Monte Carlo, the croupier always announces,

"L'oeuf a la banc."

Meaning -- if the ball lands on zero, all bets lose, and the casino ("la banc") gets everything on the table.

Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 02:30 PM

Fun fact: In French/European rules roulette, the outside even-money bets (Red/Black, Odd/Even) are not lost on a zero. Instead, depending on the rules, they are "In Prison" or "La Partage"

Say you bet Odd, and Zero is spun. If using "In Prison" rules, your bet is still on the table and if Odd is the next spin your bet is out of prison, otherwise you lose it.

"La Partage" rules you lose half your bet on a zero.

Posted by: Chuck C at July 10, 2020 02:46 PM (d/5jB)

229 194
Ok, hear me out- Sullivan is upheld, and the Judiciary now gets to act
as prosecutor. Does that mean local judges can hire deputy judges to
ride around town enforcing judgements on crimes as they happen?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 10, 2020 02:40 PM (dNzKv)

___________

Old and busted: Judge, Jury, and Executioner.

New hotness: Judge, Prosecutor, Legislator, and Executive.

Posted by: ShainS at July 10, 2020 02:46 PM (TPROn)

230 and up til the reformation the Church spoke nothing but Latin.

No wonder Robin Hood and his men went and hid out in the forest.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2020 02:39 PM (Kpl3J)

I vaguely recall a big debate in the Roman Catholic Church in the 1960's about saying Mass in languages other than Latin. The non-Latin camp won, eventually.

Posted by: Gref at July 10, 2020 02:46 PM (AMIL/)

231 Sidney Powell is a true legal hero of our time, and entirely ignored by the legal profession outside the Conservasphere.

Possible RBG replacement?
Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2020 02:44 PM (QFqpA)

------------------

Awww crap, I'm going to need some tissue or an old sock if you keep talking like that!

Posted by: Cold Rage at July 10, 2020 02:47 PM (OXSar)

232 The fact that they are having a hearing about whether to have a hearing means that there is a non-zero chance that they have a hearing.

The 11 judges (though I think there is a recent appointee bringing up to the full 12?) have 7 which are Democrat appointees.

The panel was 2-1 and that means a different mix could have decided differently. 7-4(or 5) is a different mix.

The appeals court can for sure order that Sullivan gets to prosecute Flynn and investigate Barr.

Oh, the rules don't allow that you say? How cute you think there are rules.

Posted by: blaster at July 10, 2020 02:47 PM (Ieq1i)

233 DA in missouri

Posted by: willow at July 10, 2020 02:47 PM (D6tcA)

234 215 When this goes to the supreme court is it the 5th Circuit vs the DOJ? Sullivan vs Flynn? US Govt vs Flynn?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 10, 2020 02:43 PM (dNzKv)

I don't see it ever going that far. Again, my worry is not how it ends up being decided; it's always been about the filing of endless motions and reconsideration to make this process last past the election - they only need to milk it for 3 1/2 more months. After that, it doesn't matter anymore.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2020 02:47 PM (Kpl3J)

235 Sorry for the double post. No idea how or why that happened.

Posted by: Blacksheep at July 10, 2020 02:47 PM (8/DeP)

236 >>But he's not certain. Neither am I, obviously.

In cases like this, it's best to speculate wildly and let the chips fall where they may.

Posted by: Shep Smith at July 10, 2020 02:47 PM (HL0so)

237 It's an artifact of British common law. Latin was used because that's what everyone used back in like 1100.

Yeah, but ... universities used Latin too (Oxford still has an annual speech given in Latin, which of course no one understands except a few classics dons), the Bible was in Latin, etc.

I suspect the reason is that it makes lawyers sound more profound. The same reason physicians use it:

arthitis --> inflamed joints
sinusitis --> sinus infection
trauma --> an owie

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 02:48 PM (YhzyV)

238 Does he read this blog, or at least aware of it?

I hope so.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg

I'm not sure.
I'll mention it next time.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 10, 2020 02:48 PM (axyOa)

239 215 When this goes to the supreme court is it the 5th Circuit vs the DOJ? Sullivan vs Flynn? US Govt vs Flynn?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 10, 2020 02:43 PM (dNzKv)
-------

Star Chamber

Posted by: WisRich at July 10, 2020 02:48 PM (G0vdT)

240 Was Joe Biden the lone dissenter in the Situation Room against killing Osama bin Laden?

Posted by: Dr Spank at July 10, 2020 02:48 PM (tUvF0)

241 191 Could Judge Sullivan have so crossed the line as to open Himself up for a malcious prosecution suit as well?
Inquiring minds want to know....
_____________

No, you know that judge-created qualified immunity that you're always hearing about, the thing that keeps government employees from being held civilly liable for their wrongdoings? It applies to judges too.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 10, 2020 02:48 PM (k4dH2)

242 We got a centimeter of rain so far. I am hoping for more.

Lucky! We've had less than an inch.

Last week, my sister got well over two inches. Twenty miles away, here, we got none. Today is looking promising, though. The corn is going to grow a foot tonight.

Posted by: t-bird at July 10, 2020 02:48 PM (KfC1e)

243 all this legal talk reminds me to call my divorce lawyer and open a bottle

Posted by: harley at July 10, 2020 02:48 PM (2EU+/)

244 At this point, I'd be yelling in court, Pacino style: "Out of order? Out of order? This whole trial is out of order!"
Posted by: WisRich

Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests - we did.
But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!

Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2020 02:48 PM (QFqpA)

245 Obama's treason.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2020 02:43 PM (QFqpA)

No reasonable prosecutor something something

Posted by: Some FBI dude at July 10, 2020 02:49 PM (Ojki1)

246 It's possible that -- if you can believe this -- this "reporter" doesn't
know what the fuck he's talking about, and is just tossing out lingo
and jargon to sound smart.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*SNORT*

It's the quickest way to management in IT.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com lives again at July 10, 2020 02:49 PM (SchxB)

247 #195 That's Cole's Law!

Posted by: chief magistrate and witchsmeller pursuivant at July 10, 2020 02:49 PM (TZi47)

248 Has Sullivan been paid to send Flynn to jail? Will he have to give the money back if that doesn't happen?

Posted by: Northernlurker at July 10, 2020 02:49 PM (lgiXo)

249 I vaguely recall a big debate in the Roman Catholic Church in the 1960's about saying Mass in languages other than Latin. The non-Latin camp won, eventually.
Posted by: Gref at July 10, 20

My husband told me he remembers Mass in Latin and the Priest had his back to everyone.

Posted by: CaliGirl at July 10, 2020 02:50 PM (7bcfy)

250 218 This isn't about getting Flynn. This is about protecting Obama.
__________________

Those two things are closely related. It's about both.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 10, 2020 02:51 PM (k4dH2)

251 I just want to report that I've been watching "Money Heist" on Netflix, which is ostensibly about a group of thieves who barricade themselves in a Spanish mint to print Euros for a couple of weeks but it's really a soap opera. Lots Stockholm Syndrome sex going on. If someone doesn't shoot someone pretty damn soon I am switching TV shows.

So, anything going on in the world today? No? Back to work then...

Posted by: Huck Follywood, hunker in the bunker at July 10, 2020 02:51 PM (NVYyb)

252 237

Yeah, but ... universities used Latin too (Oxford still has an annual speech given in Latin, which of course no one understands except a few classics dons), the Bible was in Latin, etc.

I suspect the reason is that it makes lawyers sound more profound. The same reason physicians use it:

arthitis --> inflamed joints
sinusitis --> sinus infection
trauma --> an owie
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 02:48 PM (YhzyV)

The irony of course being that Latin originally was the dominant form simply because near everyone understood it.

Posted by: Someguy at July 10, 2020 02:51 PM (Zm+LZ)

253 I can't wait for the next leftist, or #nevertrumper, but I repeat myself, how I need to "respect the rule of law."

It never ceases to amaze me how often people demand respect, without going through the process of earning, or working to retain, respect.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at July 10, 2020 02:51 PM (WEBkv)

254 So when do we start torching things, holding up traffic, showing up to Pelosis house, etc etc etc...

Oh that's right, our side is sane.

Posted by: Getcha Pull at July 10, 2020 02:51 PM (aR6C/)

255 248 Has Sullivan been paid to send Flynn to jail? Will he have to give the money back if that doesn't happen?
Posted by: Northernlurker at July 10, 2020 02:49 PM (lgiXo)

We keep pointing out that Judge Sullivan and Eric Holder have been extremely close personal friends for over 20 years.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2020 02:51 PM (Kpl3J)

256 196
Who is Mike??
Posted by: fixerupper at July 10, 2020 02:41 PM (yZPvv)

Diogenes used to closely work with Mike Flynn, many years ago, when D was closer to 29.

Like I said, many years ago.

was willowed in the last thread, D, let's get that South Puget Sound MicroMe going soon!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 10, 2020 02:51 PM (sy5kK)

257 This is all about delay, there is no longer a legal basis.

Good thing there are no political judges.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 10, 2020 02:51 PM (kA3Cp)

258 The way I hear it the court Sullivan is crying to are mostly Keftists, so he is trying to roll the dice and get mostlyg Leftist judges to rule his way.

Posted by: Skip at July 10, 2020 02:52 PM (6f16T)

259 We really need to rename the DOJ. Including the word justice is false advertising, if not a sick joke.

Posted by: Clay ** Have you told a commie to fcuk off today? at July 10, 2020 02:52 PM (jxv7F)

260 I find it more interesting that Sullivan cannot file a counter reply brief.

I have *no* idea if en banc will be granted. I see this as DC Circuit covering their ass for the inevitable cert to SCOTUS.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 02:18 PM (GbPPJ)

I've never seen anything like this, but if real world rules applied and the court denies the en banc hearing, how would this get cert to the SCOTUS? Would Sullivan have standing to seek a writ of certiorari?

Posted by: LASue at July 10, 2020 02:52 PM (Ed8Zd)

261 Oh that's right, our side is sane.

Mostly.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com lives again at July 10, 2020 02:52 PM (SchxB)

262 I don't understand why justice grinds so slowly sometimes. I get that it should be slow to prosecute and destroy but it should be swift to assist the defense. A swift trial is a constitutionally guaranteed right, for one thing. There's abundant precedent for not slow-walking and grinding people but it happens constantly.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 02:53 PM (KZzsI)

263 260 I've never seen anything like this, but if real world rules applied and the court denies the en banc hearing, how would this get cert to the SCOTUS? Would Sullivan have standing to seek a writ of certiorari?
Posted by: LASue at July 10, 2020 02:52 PM (Ed8Zd)

===========

I imagine that it would only ever get to SCOTUS if they did hear it en banc, overruled the 3 judge panel decision, and then Flynn appealed to SCOTUS.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, running from a biplane in a cornfield at July 10, 2020 02:53 PM (LvTSG)

264 Oh, screw the French too.
Language is to convey information.
How can that be done with Latin and French in a country full of English speakers? Unless they don't want us to know what the hell it is they are talking about. I don't know why this crap would even be a part of an official record.

Posted by: Case at July 10, 2020 02:53 PM (aDSHr)

265 258 thats horrible, won't happen again.

Posted by: Skip at July 10, 2020 02:54 PM (6f16T)

266 We keep pointing out that Judge Sullivan and Eric Holder have been extremely close personal friends for over 20 years.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2020 02:51 PM (Kpl3J)

... And Holder's firm, Covington 7 Burling, is deeply, deeply involved and potentially faces a significant malpractice action.

Posted by: LASue at July 10, 2020 02:54 PM (Ed8Zd)

267 That's one of the things I don't like about the law.
They don't talk English. I think it's on purpose.
Hide behind a dead language. When they start that shit you know they are out to screw somebody.
Posted by: Case at July 10, 2020 02:26 PM (aDSHr)

I worked with an old time surveyor who was a member of a national group trying to change the law to be written in plain English. This was back in the 80's.

Posted by: Embarrassing Stain at July 10, 2020 02:55 PM (eBRhe)

268 Such a strange court order.

A petition has been filed which we are acting on.

Party A file a response to the petition.
Party B may also file a response to the petition.

Neither one of you actually filed the petition we are acting on.

Another response to the court.

" As neither party to the case or court decision filed the petition for review en banc, therefore we do not feel a need to respond to said petition to review"

Have the government file the same "petition" today.

Let them baste in their decision to let the Judge act as a party to the case. Don't help them out at all. And give them no time.

Posted by: mikethemoose at July 10, 2020 02:55 PM (Y6UV7)

269 The irony of course being that Latin originally was the dominant form simply because near everyone understood it.
Posted by: Someguy at July 10, 2020 02:51 PM (Zm+LZ)

Nearly everyone who was educated understood it. The hoi polloi, not so much.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 02:55 PM (YhzyV)

270 This is one of those cases where the leftist judges on the Circuit can more or less bugger up its own precedent and have a high risk getting slapped down by the Sup. Ct. regarding separation of powers or simply allow it to die quietly.

In normal times, judges would not allow such foolishness by a district court judge but these are not normal times.

I normally would doubt that a majority of justices on the Supreme Court as it stands right now would be comfortable with district court judges appointing prosecutors because of blowback but the most of the current justices seemed hellbent to destroy the Supreme Court as an institution so one never knows. The tax cases are an example because more or less judges file taxes too and get all kinds of freebie junkets etc. from legal publishers and their spouses often get stuff too. Their TDS of the swamp means that they will burn down the institutions now to get him.

After all Gorsuch blew up the state of Oklahoma and Roberts and him destroyed the textual meaning of the Civil Rights Act in order to achieve social justice so who knows.

Posted by: whig at July 10, 2020 02:55 PM (pv2s8)

271 No wonder Robin Hood and his men went and hid out in the forest.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2020 02:39 PM (Kpl3J)

Robin Hood was an English fag. Dat's why the sheriff chased him into the forest.
--Archie Bunker

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 10, 2020 02:55 PM (rUTqw)

272 255 248 Has Sullivan been paid to send Flynn to jail? Will he have to give the money back if that doesn't happen?
Posted by: Northernlurker at July 10, 2020 02:49 PM (lgiXo)

We keep pointing out that Judge Sullivan and Eric Holder have been extremely close personal friends for over 20 years.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2020 02:51 PM (Kpl3J)

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Hence my theory that Sullivan is actually trying to protect Holder, not Obama.

I've had a working theory that it was Holder himself who twisted FISA into a domestic spytool for a while now.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, running from a biplane in a cornfield at July 10, 2020 02:56 PM (LvTSG)

273 The Norman Conquest brought in all the French. The Normans had their own French dialect and when they started running the courts they introduced a lot of terms. Henry II, the first Plantagenet king, cranked the process up to 11 because he saw the courts as a great way to assert his authority and turn a profit.

Churchill spends a lot of time talking about it in "History of the English Speaking Peoples".

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos at July 10, 2020 02:56 PM (3DZIZ)

274 Instead of a statue of blindfolded justice in front of our courts, we should have a statue based on the cover of Huxley*s Brave New World.

Posted by: Clay ** Have you told a commie to fcuk off today? at July 10, 2020 02:56 PM (jxv7F)

275 Why is it whenever I hear anything about a court ruling I either hear calliope music or the wacky sax of Bennie Hill.

Kazoo.

Reminds me of the Tim Geithner Episode of SouthPark.

Posted by: garrett at July 10, 2020 02:44 PM (HL0so)Hard to beat Anton Lavey playing big top calliope. Strangely fitting.https://youtu.be/V1EXeurb4lI

Posted by: clutch cargo at July 10, 2020 02:56 PM (8B6Ng)

276 I vaguely recall a big debate in the Roman Catholic Church in the 1960's about saying Mass in languages other than Latin. The non-Latin camp won, eventually.
Posted by: Gref at July 10, 20

My husband told me he remembers Mass in Latin and the Priest had his back to everyone.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 10, 2020

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Yes! We still have one church I know of here that offers the Latin Mass. Out of curiosity Linda and I went on Christmas Eve a few years ago. I love the sonorous sound of Latin, and when I could hear it, that was cool. But the priest had his back turned to the audience -- I mean, the congregation -- more than half the time. Frustrating.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 02:56 PM (rpbg1)

277 edema [swelling]
contusion [bruise]
infarction [log jam]
embolus [starring actor on a popular mid-'60s to mid-'70s FBI show]

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 10, 2020 02:56 PM (q1Pj5)

278 I've never seen anything like this, but if real world rules applied and the court denies the en banc hearing, how would this get cert to the SCOTUS? Would Sullivan have standing to seek a writ of certiorari?
Posted by: LASue at July 10, 2020 02:52 PM (Ed8Zd)

Yes, Sullivan would have standing.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 02:56 PM (GbPPJ)

279 I want to see Sullivan appeal this to the UN.

Posted by: t-bird at July 10, 2020 02:57 PM (2nFxy)

280 I imagine that it would only ever get to SCOTUS if they did hear it en banc, overruled the 3 judge panel decision, and then Flynn appealed to SCOTUS.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, running from a biplane in a cornfield at July 10, 2020 02:53 PM (LvTSG)

Yep, that makes sense (unlike everything else in this case).

Posted by: LASue at July 10, 2020 02:57 PM (Ed8Zd)

281 And then in two weeks, what will be the next delay tactic? Can this all be pushed out past the election?
Is it possible there's a majority that agrees with Sullivan, has colluded in private, and has agreed to stall as long as necessary before the daggers come out from under the robes?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 10, 2020 02:57 PM (z79tQ)

282 237 It's an artifact of British common law. Latin was used because that's what everyone used back in like 1100.

Yeah, but ... universities used Latin too (Oxford still has an annual speech given in Latin, which of course no one understands except a few classics dons), the Bible was in Latin, etc.

I suspect the reason is that it makes lawyers sound more profound. The same reason physicians use it:

arthitis --> inflamed joints
sinusitis --> sinus infection
trauma --> an owie

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 02:48 PM (YhzyV)

Yeah. For instance, historians like to sound hoity-toity by writing about the ante bellum South, rather than about the South before the Civil War.

Fortunately engineers and mechanics are more practical (not always, though!), by referring to a hex wrench rather than to a device to apply torque to a fastener having a outer torque-application surface in the shape of a regular hexagon.

Posted by: Gref at July 10, 2020 02:57 PM (AMIL/)

283 Robin Hood was an English fag. Dat's why the sheriff chased him into the forest.
--Archie Bunker
Posted by: TheQuietMan

Normal men don't wear tights.

Posted by: Archie Bunker at July 10, 2020 02:57 PM (QFqpA)

284 200 191 Could Judge Sullivan have so crossed the line as to open Himself up for a malcious prosecution suit as well?
Inquiring minds want to know....
Posted by: Boxer brief at July 10, 2020 02:40 PM (SqopC)

Qualified Immunity, baybee!!!
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2020 02:41 PM (Kpl3J)

******

Judges and persecutors* don't have qualified immunity.

They have absolute immunity.

*Intentional misspelling.

Posted by: El Jefe~Blue States POW/MIA~You Are Not Forgotten~ at July 10, 2020 02:57 PM (/suS0)

285 You know, if you are trying to keep your (Liberty) Tree healthy, it is often necessary to Prune some of the branches.

Also, keep it well watered.

Posted by: garrett at July 10, 2020 02:57 PM (HL0so)

286 ... And Holder's firm, Covington 7 Burling, is deeply, deeply involved and potentially faces a significant malpractice action.
__________________

And those assholes billed Flynn over $6.5 million in legal fees for their shitty defense, despite the fact that they were conflicted as hell after Obama's crooked DOJ threatened to criminally prosecute them for misstatements in the FARA documents that they had prepared and filed for Flynn.

This whole case is outrageous from start to finish.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 10, 2020 02:57 PM (k4dH2)

287 You see a lot of Latin terms in law because the world's first attorney was from Latin America.

Posted by: Dan Quayle at July 10, 2020 02:58 PM (2M/TV)

288 Robin Hood was an English fag. Dat's why the sheriff chased him into the forest.
--Archie Bunker
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 10, 2020 02:55 PM (rUTqw)

Tights. Feather in hat. Hangs out with band of "merry" men....

story checks out, boss.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 10, 2020 02:58 PM (6FeV1)

289 The irony of course being that Latin originally was the dominant form simply because near everyone understood it.
Posted by: Someguy at July 10, 2020 02:51 PM (Zm+LZ)

Nearly everyone who was educated understood it. The hoi polloi, not so much.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020

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True. But the hoi polloi expected the educated people to know it, or sound like they knew it.

I was always amused that the mysterious language of magic in Dragonslayer was plain ol' Vulgar Latin.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 02:58 PM (rpbg1)

290 The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that
English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow
words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways
to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 10, 2020 02:58 PM (TZi47)

291 254 So when do we start torching things, holding up traffic, showing up to Pelosis house, etc etc etc...

Oh that's right, our side is sane.

Posted by: Getcha Pull at July 10, 2020 02:51 PM (aR6C/)

For how long?

And is it sane to continue to act as if the house isn't on fire when the flames are on every side of the structure?

No, I'm not arguing -for- a revolution, but we seem to really be getting close to "In the course of human events" territory and all that remains to be seen is if we really are a country that treasures the rule of law or simply treasure "A rule of law" and will settle for anyone who can provide one.

Posted by: Bete at July 10, 2020 02:58 PM (Ojki1)

292 But he's not certain. Neither am I, obviously.

In cases like this, it's best to speculate wildly and let the chips fall where they may.
Posted by: Shep Smith at July 10, 2020 02:47 PM (HL0so)

lol.

Posted by: LASue at July 10, 2020 02:59 PM (Ed8Zd)

293 290 The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that
English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow
words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways
to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.
Posted by: andycanuck at July 10, 2020 02:58 PM (TZi47)

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That explains the French attitude towards the English.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, running from a biplane in a cornfield at July 10, 2020 02:59 PM (LvTSG)

294 This whole case is outrageous from start to finish.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 10, 2020 02:57 PM (k4dH2)

Take it to the FBI

Posted by: Zephraim Embolis JR at July 10, 2020 02:59 PM (ONvIw)

295 The first English king after the conquest that we know could speak English was Edward I. The first one that spoke English primarily and used it as court language was Henry V.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos at July 10, 2020 03:00 PM (3DZIZ)

296 Fortunately engineers and mechanics are more practical (not always, though!), by referring to a hex wrench rather than to a device to apply torque to a fastener having a outer torque-application surface in the shape of a regular hexagon.
Posted by: Gref at July 10, 2020 02:57 PM (AMIL/)

the hell you talkin' about?

Posted by: Allen at July 10, 2020 03:00 PM (6FeV1)

297 Yes, Sullivan would have standing.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 02:56 PM (GbPPJ)
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I would claim that if Sullivan is allowed to take things all the way to SCOTUS, it would destroy the rule of law, but, realistically, that ship sailed about the time the Patriot Act was signed into law.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at July 10, 2020 03:00 PM (WEBkv)

298 The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow
words; on occasion, AMERICAN English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.
Posted by: andycanuck

American English. Not the Queen's English.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2020 03:01 PM (QFqpA)

299 English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow
words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways
to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.
Posted by: andycanuck at July 10, 2020 02:58 PM (TZi47)
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Well, why come up with a new word when someone else has a perfectly cromulent word?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at July 10, 2020 03:01 PM (WEBkv)

300 Take it to the FBI
____________

Because now they know not to leave their notes in the files, in which they write about how they know their suspect is innocent and they're just trying to entrap him, because that's what Obama wants?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 10, 2020 03:01 PM (k4dH2)

301 The problem with Hex Wrenches is having enough Eye of Newt and Wing of Bat on hand to make the hex stick.

Posted by: garrett at July 10, 2020 03:02 PM (99p1B)

302 Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 02:45 PM

First, a correction - the European roulette rule I mentioned above is actually French roulette. European roulette uses a single zero, but hoovers up all other losing bets.

W/ a double zero, and American roulette rules, the house edge is 5.26% for all bets on the table, except for the Five-Number bet (0, 00, 1, 2, 3) which has a slightly higher house edge.

For non-skill games (blackjack, poker, and possibly baccarat are games where skill has a factor) craps pass/come bets w/full odds have the lowest house pc.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 10, 2020 03:02 PM (DMUuz)

303 In cases like this, it's best to speculate wildly and let the chips fall where they may.

and assume the worst.

It's the Moron Way.

Posted by: Grump928© at July 10, 2020 03:02 PM (jbtTP)

304 249---My husband told me he remembers Mass in Latin and the Priest had his back to everyone.
Posted by: CaliGirl at July 10, 2020 02:50 PM (7bcfy)
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Yes, the priest led the people in the worship of God --- as opposed to the priest and people worshiping each other.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 10, 2020 03:02 PM (M/9m0)

305 Might you consider a Bander dispensation as well?
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria

Perhaps. But he will need to bring an offering to the NoVaMoMe.

I can't wait to meet the two of you.
And so many others. I'm talking to you, MP4

Posted by: Nurse ratched at July 10, 2020 03:02 PM (W2Pud)

306 The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore.

I love a changing, adopting language, what I don't like is people mangling it for personal political reasons or just to be different and "cool."

If you want to call acting your age "adulting" okay but that just tells me you're an intellectual infant

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 03:02 PM (KZzsI)

307 They have all the judges run a hot lap around the courtroom to see who is quickest, and then the top two get qualified immunity.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 10, 2020 03:02 PM (6FeV1)

308 Hopefully the two parties that should actually have a say in this (the defense and the prosecution) only need a few days, rather than the whole period, to crank out replies. And before, the appellate court rejected the request to remove Sullivan from the case. Maybe this will give them the impetus that the judge is not acting in a fair and impartial manner. "Justice delayed is justice denied", as they like to say.

Posted by: Another Anon at July 10, 2020 03:02 PM (UHq0G)

309 Fortunately engineers and mechanics are more
practical (not always, though!), by referring to a hex wrench rather
than to a device to apply torque to a fastener having a outer
torque-application surface in the shape of a regular hexagon.

Posted by: Gref at July 10, 2020 02:57 PM (AMIL/)

the hell you talkin' about?

Posted by: Allen at July 10, 2020 03:00 PM (6FeV1)

You guys talking tools?

Posted by: Phillips at July 10, 2020 03:02 PM (q1Pj5)

310 289 The irony of course being that Latin originally was the dominant form simply because near everyone understood it.
Posted by: Someguy at July 10, 2020 02:51 PM (Zm+LZ)

Nearly everyone who was educated understood it. The hoi polloi, not so much.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020

*
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True. But the hoi polloi expected the educated people to know it, or sound like they knew it.

I was always amused that the mysterious language of magic in Dragonslayer was plain ol' Vulgar Latin.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 02:58 PM (rpbg1)

The Romance languages were derived from Latin. Common people in the western empire spoke it, or at least close enough.

Posted by: Someguy at July 10, 2020 03:02 PM (Zm+LZ)

311 Yeah. For instance, historians like to sound hoity-toity by writing about the ante bellum South, rather than about the South before the Civil War.

"The ante bellum South, that is, if you will, the South before the Civil War ..."

I love the pretension. One of my favorites has been reference to the "corpus" of someone's work, that is to say, the body of someone's work, or, if you will, all of the bugger's work.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 03:02 PM (YhzyV)

312 My husband told me he remembers Mass in Latin and the Priest had his back to everyone.

Yeah they face the altar, which they consider the symbol of God's presence and love. Other denominations the pastor faces the people as God's called representative and because they're easier to hear that way.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 03:03 PM (KZzsI)

313 If en banc is denied the panel ruling becomes final and Sullivan could request cert at the USSC.

Wrt the counter reply issue, despite what that order says, most practitioners would simply haul ass, write the brief and call the clerk to tell them its coming, and then file it together with a motion for leave to file a sur-reply anyway. If the court doesn't want to consider it then they'll say so, but you're really not hurt by filing and asking.

Posted by: Blacksheep at July 10, 2020 03:03 PM (8/DeP)

314 and assume the worst.

It's the Moron Way.
Posted by: Grump928� at July 10, 2020 03:02 PM (jbtTP)
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The problem is, even though we expect the worst, the worst usually turns out to be worse than we imagined.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at July 10, 2020 03:03 PM (WEBkv)

315 The en banc hearing request is for an aggrieved DEFENDENT.

not the freaking trial judge

Posted by: torabora at July 10, 2020 03:03 PM (Y274z)

316 The court system dithers exceeding slow, but at least it dithers exceedingly fine.

Posted by: irright at July 10, 2020 03:03 PM (pMGkg)

317 The obligation of subjects to the sovereign is understood to last as long, and no longer, than the power lasteth by which he is able to protect them.

Thomas Hobbes, Leviathan
Posted by: Grad School Fool at July 10, 2020 02:20 PM (Tia6s)

He's mostly right. But they can still be ruled by fear, no?
That'll create fealty, or a sort.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 10, 2020 03:04 PM (z79tQ)

318 For non-skill games (blackjack, poker, and possibly baccarat are games where skill has a factor) craps pass/come bets w/full odds have the lowest house pc.
Posted by: Duncanthrax

I'm just stupid. I've read books, downloaded apps, and still don't understand craps.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2020 03:04 PM (QFqpA)

319 In my opinion Sullivan is trying to keep Flynn quiet until after the election. He is trying to keep him quiet to cover his friend Barky Obama's bare ass which kind of hanging out right now, if Flynn testifies about this case.
Sullivan hired a lawyer for the mandamus petition and afterwards, because he didn't want to commit perjury by filing a false reason (I'm concerned about the honesty of the DOJ) for the delays. With a lawyer filing the writs the judge can tell him that fairy tale and not commit perjury in his writ filing.

Posted by: An Observation at July 10, 2020 03:04 PM (mDh27)

320 the hell you talkin' about?

Posted by: Allen at July 10, 2020 03:00 PM (6FeV1)

You guys talking tools?
Posted by: Phillips at July 10, 2020 03:02 PM (q1Pj5)
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Take it outside, you two.

Posted by: Torx at July 10, 2020 03:04 PM (WEBkv)

321 If you want to call acting your age "adulting" okay but that just tells me you're an intellectual infant
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 03:02 PM (KZzsI)

That's precisely why i like the word "adulting".... it perfectly conveys that they (by which I mean "I") am doing all the things a normal responsible person should be doing... but i just really, really don't feel like it. Because lazy.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 10, 2020 03:04 PM (6FeV1)

322 I was always amused that the mysterious language of magic in Dragonslayer was plain ol' Vulgar Latin.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 02:58 PM (rpbg1)

The Romance languages were derived from Latin. Common people in the western empire spoke it, or at least close enough.
Posted by: Someguy at July 10, 2020 03:02 PM (Zm+LZ)

All of the Romance languages are basically the Ebonics version of Latin. English is the Ebonics version of Latin and German.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 03:04 PM (YhzyV)

323 Part of it was that in Western civilization, the Roman Catholic Church more or less through canon law preserved Latin as a legal language and the language of international law. Latin was also used by the historians which were mainly church based and this was relevant for property law. After the Roman Empire effectively lost control of the West, legal disputes still needed adjudication, trade contracts, and diplomacy still needed a common language. The fact that late Roman law was codified by Justinian's Code also made an impact as it made adjudication of legal disputes easier as an authoritative text that church educated lawyers and judges could use to resolve repetitive legal disputes.

So Latin was for the folks that needed to be literate in order to do their jobs--priests, monks, scribes, etc. they used Latin as it was already a common language through the West and avoided the issue of having to translate their fixed meanings into the multiple languages in the West.

Posted by: whig at July 10, 2020 03:04 PM (pv2s8)

324 320 the hell you talkin' about?

Posted by: Allen at July 10, 2020 03:00 PM (6FeV1)

You guys talking tools?
Posted by: Phillips at July 10, 2020 03:02 PM (q1Pj5)
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Take it outside, you two.
Posted by: Torx at July 10, 2020 03:04 PM (WEBkv)

You leave my nuts alone!

Posted by: Dee at July 10, 2020 03:05 PM (6FeV1)

325 322 All of the Romance languages are basically the Ebonics version of Latin. English is the Ebonics version of Latin and German.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 03:04 PM (YhzyV)

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"Ahem..."
-70% of the English vocabulary with roots in French

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, running from a biplane in a cornfield at July 10, 2020 03:05 PM (LvTSG)

326 I saw someone on Twitter this morning who sounded like he knew what he was about say that a single judge can trigger a vote of all active judges, which automatically triggers a request for response.

Seemed authentic, user @CyranoDeCumOnYourBack.

Posted by: motionview at July 10, 2020 03:05 PM (pYQR/)

327 Perhaps. But he will need to bring an offering to the NoVaMoMe.

I can't wait to meet the two of you.
And so many others. I'm talking to you, MP4
Posted by: Nurse ratched at July 10, 2020 03:02 PM (W2Pud)

I knooooooooowwwwww.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 03:05 PM (GbPPJ)

328 Apropos of nothing, is it me or have we not heard from Neil DeSuper Scientist Tyson in a really long time?

Posted by: ... at July 10, 2020 03:05 PM (M7Sjc)

329 If you want to call acting your age "adulting" okay but that just tells me you're an intellectual infant
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 03:02 PM (KZzsI)

In corporate America ("hoteling?") I used to refer to it as "verbing," which I detest.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 03:05 PM (YhzyV)

330 I would like someone to remake Marilyn Monro's Diamonds are a Girl's Best Friend to

Ammo is a Girl's Best Friend

Posted by: vmom 2020 at July 10, 2020 02:42 PM (TOyHQ)

Isn't ammo plural [it should be!]? Therefore, ammo are a girl's best friend.
Requesting an en banc review.
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 10, 2020

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Technically, I think, "ammo" or "ammunition" is one of those words that are plural in construction, but are taken as a big unit, often because they are of too large a number to count reasonably. We say "Congress is in session," even though there are 500+ of the rascals. (Yeah, I know, the British say "Parliament are." Fug 'em.)

If the young Marilyn Monroe or Jane Russell would undertake to convince me otherwise, though, I could probably change my opinion.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 03:05 PM (rpbg1)

331 When the fuck does a judge get to appeal something anyway??

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 10, 2020 03:06 PM (oVJmc)

332 320
the hell you talkin' about?

Posted by: Allen at July 10, 2020 03:00 PM (6FeV1)

You guys talking tools?

Posted by: Phillips at July 10, 2020 03:02 PM (q1Pj5)

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Take it outside, you two.

Posted by: Torx at July 10, 2020 03:04 PM (WEBkv)

My neighbor is missing.
~ 11mm socket

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at July 10, 2020 03:06 PM (k/TB6)

333 After this farcical Flynn trial is over with, I'd like to see Trump offer Sidney Powell a position in his administration (if she'll take it). "Special Advisor to the President" or some such. For the restaffing of top positions in the FBI during Trump's second term, follow whatever recommendations she makes.

Posted by: Anonymous 7 at July 10, 2020 03:06 PM (6Qxbm)

334 I would claim that if Sullivan is allowed to take things all the way to SCOTUS...

Then so can my two-year-old.

Posted by: t-bird at July 10, 2020 03:06 PM (JioHo)

335 The 3,900 word limit was established because that is the usual amount of time a judge takes to read it while taking a dump.

Posted by: torabora at July 10, 2020 03:06 PM (Y274z)

336 Not en banc yet. And the two groups ordered to file replies are the Flynn team and the DOJ. Who the hell can even ask for en banc without actually being party to the case, again??
Posted by: trev006

I don't understand how the JUDGE, Emmit Sullivan, has standing to request the en banc decision. He is neither the prosecutor nor the defender.

What IS this all about?

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at July 10, 2020 03:06 PM (ZCiJZ)

337 276---But the priest had his back turned to the audience -- I mean, the congregation -- more than half the time. Frustrating.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 02:56 PM (rpbg1)
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Very frustrating for moderns. He's supposed to look at YOU!!! And you're supposed to look at HIM!!!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 10, 2020 03:06 PM (M/9m0)

338 Fortunately engineers and mechanics are more
practical (not always, though!), by referring to a hex wrench rather
than to a device to apply torque to a fastener having a outer
torque-application surface in the shape of a regular hexagon.

Posted by: Gref at July 10, 2020 02:57 PM

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the hell you talkin' about?
Posted by: Allen at July 10, 2020 03:00 PM

=====

You guys talking tools?
Posted by: Phillips at July 10, 2020 03:02 PM

Not at Ace's place!

Posted by: Robertson at July 10, 2020 03:07 PM (DMUuz)

339 Making a dead language mandatory is TIGHT

Posted by: ... at July 10, 2020 03:07 PM (M7Sjc)

340 "Ahem..."
-70% of the English vocabulary with roots in French
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, running from a biplane in a cornfield at July 10, 2020 03:05 PM (LvTSG)

Lots and lots of German, though, too. From the Saxons.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 03:07 PM (YhzyV)

341 https://bit.ly/2W6erXi
*******
Stimulus Proposal: $2,000 Monthly Payment Plus $1,000 Per Month Until 1 Year After Crisis Ends

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 10, 2020 03:07 PM (1Dmt5)

342 338
the hell you talkin' about?
Posted by: Allen at July 10, 2020 03:00 PM

=====

You guys talking tools?
Posted by: Phillips at July 10, 2020 03:02 PM

Not at Ace's place!
Posted by: Robertson at July 10, 2020 03:07 PM (DMUuz)

==========

"Ruh?"
-Tim, the Tool Man, Taylor

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, running from a biplane in a cornfield at July 10, 2020 03:07 PM (LvTSG)

343 Fortunately engineers and mechanics are more practical (not always, though!), by referring to a hex wrench rather than to a device to apply torque to a fastener having a outer torque-application surface in the shape of a regular hexagon.
Posted by: Gref at July 10, 2020 02:57 PM (AMIL/)

Every single profession has its own set of terms.

And they are used to not only identify themselves to each other (ie, this guy is one of us) but are also used to bar outsiders from being able to perform said profession.

I worked IT for many years. Hardest thing was figuring out the often very simple thing, that each profession was talking about.

Like Doctors and Nurses. SOAP note. It stands of Subjective, Objective, Assessment, Plan.

Which is nothing more than the militaries OOAD. Observe, Orient, Decide, Act, using different terms.

Or the Navy's 6 Step Troubleshooting Method.

But a Medical 'outsider' would not understand that.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 10, 2020 03:07 PM (NgKpN)

344 Posted by: An Observation at July 10, 2020 03:04 PM (mDh27)

Youre probably right

Posted by: Skip at July 10, 2020 03:07 PM (6f16T)

345 312 My husband told me he remembers Mass in Latin and the Priest had his back to everyone.

Yeah they face the altar, which they consider the symbol of God's presence and love. Other denominations the pastor faces the people as God's called representative and because they're easier to hear that way.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 03:03 PM (KZzsI)

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The Priest doesn't face the altar because it's a symbol, he faces it because Christ's actual, physical presence is manifested there in the Bread and Wine during Communion.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at July 10, 2020 03:07 PM (dfRN6)

346 ortunately engineers and mechanics are more
practical (not always, though!), by referring to a hex wrench rather
than to a device to apply torque to a fastener having a outer
torque-application surface in the shape of a regular hexagon.

Posted by: Gref at July 10, 2020 02:57 PM

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the hell you talkin' about?
Posted by: Allen at July 10, 2020 03:00 PM

=====

You guys talking tools?
Posted by: Phillips at July 10, 2020 03:02 PM

Not at Ace's place!
Posted by: Robertson at July 10, 2020 03:07 PM (DMUuz)
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That's not very helpful.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at July 10, 2020 03:07 PM (WEBkv)

347 Hey did you guys know that Sean Hannity has a book coming out?

Posted by: garrett at July 10, 2020 03:07 PM (5R6fz)

348
I don't understand how the JUDGE, Emmit
Sullivan, has standing to request the en banc decision. He is neither
the prosecutor nor the defender.

What IS this all about?

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at July 10, 2020 03:06 PM (ZCiJZ)

Forget it Jake. It's Calvinballtown.

Posted by: ... at July 10, 2020 03:08 PM (M7Sjc)

349 leave my nuts alone!
Posted by: Dee at July 10, 2020

Screw you

Posted by: willow at July 10, 2020 03:08 PM (z6ZW/)

350 All of the Romance languages are basically the Ebonics version of Latin. English is the Ebonics version of Latin and German.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 03:04 PM (YhzyV)

And for what language is ebonics the ebonics version?
Axing for a friend?

Posted by: CN at July 10, 2020 03:08 PM (ONvIw)

351 If en banc is denied the panel ruling becomes final and Sullivan could request cert at the USSC.

Which again is a huge delay because the Supreme Court moves with all the alacrity of a sloth on meth

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 03:08 PM (KZzsI)

352 Stimulus Proposal: $2,000 Monthly Payment Plus $1,000 Per Month Until 1 Year After Crisis Ends

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 10, 2020 03:07 PM (1Dmt5)

What a great idea!!

Posted by: The Weimar Republic at July 10, 2020 03:08 PM (M7Sjc)

353 -------------

I would claim that if Sullivan is allowed to take things all the way to SCOTUS, it would destroy the rule of law, but, realistically, that ship sailed about the time the Patriot Act was signed into law.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at July 10, 2020 03:00 PM (WEBkv)
======================================

Whoa, Pony.

Don't want to beat a dead horse but when
scotus gave Oklahoma back to the Indians they literally allowed any document ever written, whether dismissed or not, to be dredged up in defense of their current opinion..

The supreme court of the us has destroyed the rule of law.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 10, 2020 03:08 PM (pr9ci)

354 350 All of the Romance languages are basically the Ebonics version of Latin. English is the Ebonics version of Latin and German.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 03:04 PM (YhzyV)

And for what language is ebonics the ebonics version?
Axing for a friend?

Posted by: CN at July 10, 2020 03:08 PM (ONvIw)

It is ebonics squared of old German. Not to be confused with new German, which is even more bastardized than our English version I'm told.

Posted by: Someguy at July 10, 2020 03:08 PM (Zm+LZ)

355 NO JACKHAMMERING

Posted by: garrett at July 10, 2020 03:09 PM (5R6fz)

356 People keep making a big deal about timelines -- "Sullivan waited until the last minute" "lets see how fast Sidney files" etc.

STOP!

How fast someone responds is not something from which you can glean ANY understanding or meaning. Anyone saying otherwise is LYING TO YOU.

Lawyers routinely wait until the deadline to file. Laziness, usually, but also making sure what they file is thorough/edited and cited properly, etc.

So please, you're making my head hurt with all the talking out of your ass.

Posted by: Venus at July 10, 2020 03:09 PM (iYXhj)

357

I, for one, am not surprised by the issuance of a stay.

Putting an end to a Court of Oyer and Terminer has always been difficult.

Posted by: Arbalest at July 10, 2020 03:09 PM (FlRtG)

358 Phillips and Allen are proper names, and Torx is a trademark I think? Who else uses *foreign* words to describe things that have a perfectly good English word? Quod erat demonstrandum.

Posted by: Chris M at July 10, 2020 03:09 PM (eAZVt)

359 Yes, this is all a long stall, and everybody's in on it.
The first clue was a "hearing" on a mandamus, which never happens. also, when you file for mandamus a copy of the briefs are automatically filed with the whole bench, to keep an eye on things that could go haywire. It's routine.
So, there's no reason to stall and ask for briefs again--the ruling would be based on the files, anyway.
And the party with standing is the person harmed by the writ. Which is no one.

Not sure what the end game is, though. hoping for SMOD?

Posted by: artemis at July 10, 2020 03:09 PM (AwPyG)

360 I don't understand how the JUDGE, Emmit Sullivan, has standing to request the en banc decision. He is neither
the prosecutor nor the defender.

I am a bit confused as well, they seem to have lost the plot here. This isn't his case, he's just the arbiter and referee, as it were.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 03:10 PM (KZzsI)

361 The Romance languages were derived from Latin. Common people in the western empire spoke it, or at least close enough.
Posted by: Someguy at July 10, 2020

*
*

True, French and Spanish and Italian and their dialects, and even Romanian, were derived from Latin. But the common tongues diverged from Vulgar Latin fairly early. The new language that would be called Old French is visible in records in the 700s, and Charlemagne used it and decreed that it should be used in place of Latin where practical.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 03:10 PM (rpbg1)

362 English is now a dead language. Soon, we'll all be speaking Wakandese.

Ebonics/Wakandese translation apps will become popular to help with the transition.

Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 03:10 PM (HEEq1)

363 Testing, power went out a second

Posted by: Skip at July 10, 2020 03:10 PM (6f16T)

364 350 All of the Romance languages are basically the Ebonics version of Latin. English is the Ebonics version of Latin and German.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 03:04 PM (YhzyV)
======================

Ah, German the mother tongue, Bach.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 10, 2020 03:10 PM (pr9ci)

365 Stimulus Proposal: $2,000 Monthly Payment Plus $1,000 Per Month Until 1 Year After Crisis Ends
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 10, 2020 03:07 PM (1Dmt5)

To be paid by all the Democrat billionaires.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 03:11 PM (YhzyV)

366 Lawyers routinely wait until the deadline to file. Laziness, usually, but also making sure what they file is thorough/edited and cited properly, etc.

You know who else does? People who want to delay something as long as humanly possible.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 03:11 PM (KZzsI)

367 Romani, they go house?

Posted by: Centurion at July 10, 2020 03:11 PM (q1Pj5)

368 I think Sidney Powell has already filed her response... here's a link to CourtListener, it's the one on top, dated today

https://tinyurl.com/y7gfema9

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 10, 2020 03:11 PM (jjaLl)

369 I would like to see Powell stay exactly where she is, doing what see obviously does best.

I would like to see someone give her a huge pile of money though.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 10, 2020 03:11 PM (dJ11I)

370 345----The Priest doesn't face the altar because it's a symbol, he faces it because Christ's actual, physical presence is manifested there in the Bread and Wine during Communion.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at July 10, 2020 03:07 PM (dfRN6)
-----------------------------------------

Such a distraction from admiring each other!

And if the New Mass ever comes remotely close to reverence for something transcendent, they interrupt it for a group hug --- just to set us straight!!!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 10, 2020 03:11 PM (M/9m0)

371 True, French and Spanish and Italian and their dialects, and even Romanian, were derived from Latin.

Supposedly, Romanian is closest to pure Latin of all of these languages including (particularly) Italian, oddly enough.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 03:11 PM (KZzsI)

372 Ebonics/Wakandese translation apps will become popular to help with the transition.
Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 03:10 PM (HEEq1)

Grunt: "yes"
Click: "no"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 03:12 PM (YhzyV)

373 -
--
So please, you're making my head hurt with all the talking out of your ass.

Posted by: Venus at July 10, 2020 03:09 PM

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Batter up!

Posted by: irright at July 10, 2020 03:12 PM (pMGkg)

374 Once I am dictator, I will require pig latin for the courts.

Posted by: Archer at July 10, 2020 03:12 PM (gmo/4)

375 Fortunately engineers and mechanics are more practical (not always, though!), by referring to a hex wrench rather than to a device to apply torque to a fastener having a outer torque-application surface in the shape of a regular hexagon.
Posted by: Gref at July 10, 2020 02:57 PM (AMIL/)

Yeah, people don't understand that all this creation of new money, leads to inflation.

Which means the money I have saved and invested over the years, is worth less.

It a hidden tax on the wealth I've saved over the years.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 10, 2020 03:12 PM (NgKpN)

376 My neighbor is missing.
~ 11mm socket
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at July 10, 2020 03:06 PM (k/TB6)

Mine too

Posted by: 9mm socket at July 10, 2020 03:12 PM (z79tQ)

377
Tights. Feather in hat. Hangs out with band of "merry" men....

********

And he never saw a group of archers without a quiver.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 10, 2020 03:12 PM (Fc5rx)

378 So please, you're making my head hurt with all the talking out of your ass.
Posted by: Venus at July 10, 2020 03:09 PM (iYXhj)

Come, sit by me.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 03:12 PM (GbPPJ)

379 @326 - it usually takes a majority of the available circuit and senior judges to be granted, and the original panel participates in the en banc.

Most en banc rehearing requests are denied without comment. If they are taken up, half the room wanted to hear it.

@331 - when the trial judge is a party to a motion, as is the case when one of the trial parties motions for mandamus.

Posted by: Blacksheep at July 10, 2020 03:12 PM (8/DeP)

380
Ebonics/Wakandese translation apps will become popular to help with the transition.
Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 03:10 PM (HEEq

The 'rons will have to wear their belts below their asses.

Posted by: CN at July 10, 2020 03:12 PM (ONvIw)

381 Lawyers routinely wait until the deadline to file. Laziness, usually, but also making sure what they file is thorough/edited and cited properly, etc.

So please, you're making my head hurt with all the talking out of your ass.
Posted by: Venus at July 10, 2020 03:09 PM (iYXhj)

---------------

Not to put too fine a point on it, but, normally, the lawyers put together their stuff, and then turn it over to their secretaries to finalize things.

Depending on the lawyer, the secretary will either breeze right through the document or actually have to correct points of law, return it to the lawyer for final approval, then submit.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at July 10, 2020 03:13 PM (WEBkv)

382
I'm assuming that there is some prohibition against Sullivan contacting these eleven judges.

What's to stop Sullivan taking the eleven judges to Vegas, or showering them with gifts, or just bending their ears?

Ten days? Hell, that included two weekends. Lot of knobs could get polished between now and then

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 10, 2020 03:13 PM (bgD6c)

383 @352. You mean I can quit my job?
Well, alrighty then.

Posted by: Case at July 10, 2020 03:13 PM (aDSHr)

384 How fast someone responds is not something from
which you can glean ANY understanding or meaning. Anyone saying
otherwise is LYING TO YOU.

Lawyers routinely wait until the deadline to file. Laziness,
usually, but also making sure what they file is thorough/edited and
cited properly, etc.

So please, you're making my head hurt with all the talking out of your ass.

Posted by: Venus at July 10, 2020 03:09 PM (iYXhj)

Hey. Relax guy.

Posted by: ... at July 10, 2020 03:13 PM (M7Sjc)

385 372 Ebonics/Wakandese translation apps will become popular to help with the transition.
Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 03:10 PM (HEEq1)

Grunt: "yes"
Click: "no"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Our new counting system with have grand total of four integers:

One
Two
Three
Many

Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 03:13 PM (HEEq1)

386 Ego puto ex hoc omnes loqui de latina et francorum lingua in lege est praeter propositum.

Posted by: Clay ** Have you told a commie to fcuk off today? at July 10, 2020 03:14 PM (jxv7F)

387 So please, you're making my head hurt with all the talking out of your ass.
Posted by: Venus at July 10, 2020 03:09 PM

If I had any self-awareness, I'd ask if this is about me.

If I had any self-awareness.

Posted by: Brian "Big T" Stelter at July 10, 2020 03:14 PM (DMUuz)

388 I'm assuming that there is some prohibition against Sullivan contacting these eleven judges.

What's to stop Sullivan taking the eleven judges to Vegas, or showering them with gifts, or just bending their ears?"

Absolutely nothing. There's also nothing from him going to visit them along with this good friend Eric Holder.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2020 03:14 PM (Kpl3J)

389 Which means the money I have saved and invested over the years, is worth less.
It's a hidden tax on the wealth I've saved over the years.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 10, 2020 03:12 PM (NgKpN)

Why it's almost like there's a plan!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 10, 2020 03:14 PM (eTZoJ)

390 385 372 Ebonics/Wakandese translation apps will become popular to help with the transition.
Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 03:10 PM (HEEq1)

Grunt: "yes"
Click: "no"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Our new counting system with have grand total of four integers:

One
Two
Three
Many
Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 03:13 PM (HEEq1)

Is that a reference to gully dwarves?

Posted by: Someguy at July 10, 2020 03:14 PM (Zm+LZ)

391 Once I am dictator, I will require pig latin for the courts.

Posted by: Archer at July 10, 2020 03:12 PM (gmo/4)

Ixnay n the SECOPay

Posted by: Centurion at July 10, 2020 03:15 PM (q1Pj5)

392 I'm sure Sullivan is dragging everything out to last minute because he fkin can and it hurts Gen Flynn.

Posted by: Skip at July 10, 2020 03:15 PM (6f16T)

393 358 Phillips and Allen are proper names, and Torx is a trademark I think? Who else uses *foreign* words to describe things that have a perfectly good English word? Quod erat demonstrandum.
Posted by: Chris M at July 10, 2020 03:09 PM (eAZVt)

loquat tamquam homo, et foeces ritardo in toto es.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 10, 2020 03:15 PM (6FeV1)

394 -70% of the English vocabulary with roots in French

That's stupid. English is a Germanic language. Everything solid and substantive in English is a German cognate. Herd/hearth, Erde/earth, Haus/house, Feuer/fire, Hand/hand. I could go on.

We have a thin veneer of Latinate and Greek overlay, with superfluous words like superfluous, but they're not English.

English is German German is English.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 10, 2020 03:16 PM (gd9RK)

395 I think Sidney Powell has already filed her response... here's a link to CourtListener, it's the one on top, dated today

https://tinyurl.com/y7gfema9

It's a good read, actually. Hope she don't break the 3900-word limit, though, because then they'll have to start all over again.

Posted by: t-bird at July 10, 2020 03:16 PM (B2mhs)

396
Forgot to mention that the Seattle City Council voted yesterday to defund the police department by 50 percent.

FIFTY PERCENT.

And it was a veto-proof majority, so Mayor Jenny from the Block can fluff her feathers in response and still be completely irresponsible.

[insert comments of disgust and disdain here].

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 10, 2020 03:17 PM (sy5kK)

397 Our new counting system with have grand total of four integers:

One
Two
Three
Many
Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 03:13 PM (HEEq1)

That's too much for the no-maths group, you need to simplify it,

unless you're counting genders of course!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 10, 2020 03:17 PM (eTZoJ)

398 Men can carry on entire conversations with nothing but grunts.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 10, 2020 03:17 PM (DMUuz)

399 Our new counting system with have grand total of four integers:

One

Two

Three

Many

Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 03:13 PM (HEEq1)

Solo
Couple
Threesome
Orgy

Posted by: Centurion at July 10, 2020 03:17 PM (q1Pj5)

400 Christopher,
It is simple enough for the Supreme Court to issue a summary reversal if the law is clear enough which in this case it is.
There is no basis in statutes or the Constitution for a judge to conduct a private prosecution of a defendant no longer being charged by the executive. His job in the case is ministerial when no active dispute exists, not prosecutorial--frankly he deserves to spend time in his own legal hell for about 4 years as recompense.

The only reason for Scotus to drag it out would be politics such as OrangeManBad, not law which is exactly what Sullivan is doing. If they wanted to, they could simply declare the case moot and thus dead as a doornail leaving no room for Sullivan unless he wants the indignity of being arrested for contempt of court.

Posted by: whig at July 10, 2020 03:17 PM (pv2s8)

401 I blame the Normans

Posted by: Archer at July 10, 2020 03:17 PM (gmo/4)

402 loquat tamquam homo, et foeces ritardo in toto es.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 10, 2020 03:15 PM (6FeV1)

WHAT YEAR IS IT?

Did I go back too far?

Posted by: Kyle Reese at July 10, 2020 03:17 PM (AiZBA)

403 English is German German is English.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 10, 2020 03:16 PM (gd9RK)

Are you sure? I was under the impression we were allowed to breathe between words.

Posted by: Someguy at July 10, 2020 03:17 PM (Zm+LZ)

404 Ego puto ex hoc omnes loqui de latina et francorum lingua in lege est praeter propositum.
Posted by: Clay ** Have you told a commie to fcuk off today? at July 10, 2020

*
*

I had some francorum lingua for lunch the other day. . . .

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 03:17 PM (rpbg1)

405 Men can carry on entire conversations with nothing but grunts.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 10, 2020 03:17 PM (DMUuz)
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MmmmHmmmm.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at July 10, 2020 03:17 PM (WEBkv)

406 Men can carry on entire conversations with nothing but grunts.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 10, 2020

*
*

If they're allowed gestures and to use the word "Dude" with varying inflections.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 03:18 PM (rpbg1)

407 English is German German is English.

I think you're both right, lots of French and Germanic influences in English (due to repeated conquest, for one thing). Its not an either/or thing, it just depends on where you look. Tons of examples on either side. And from other sources (Celtic, for example).

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 03:18 PM (KZzsI)

408 I blame the Normans

Posted by: Archer at July 10, 2020 03:17 PM (gmo/4)

Sorry.

Posted by: Mr. Roper at July 10, 2020 03:18 PM (M7Sjc)

409 Men can carry on entire conversations with nothing but grunts.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 10, 2020 03:17 PM (DMUuz)

--------------

MmmmHmmmm.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at July 10, 2020 03:17 PM (WEBkv)

See Tim the tool man Taylor

Posted by: Archer at July 10, 2020 03:19 PM (gmo/4)

410 English is German German is English.

It's all about where you the verb put.

Posted by: Grump928© at July 10, 2020 03:19 PM (jbtTP)

411 Dont worry about delay. Its the summer. Stayin chilly till after the demo commie nomie. Keepin barry or moochelle or hilldog off the ticket , waving the inductment stick at them from offstage. Relax. This is gonna be great.

Posted by: Ass Chum at July 10, 2020 03:19 PM (yfUzb)

412 405 Men can carry on entire conversations with nothing but grunts.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 10, 2020 03:17 PM (DMUuz)
--------------

MmmmHmmmm.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at July 10, 2020 03:17 PM (WEBkv)

Ehhgh. *shrugs shoulders*

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 10, 2020 03:19 PM (A5zUN)

413 Quando podeces te regi eorum fecerunt?

Posted by: andycanuck at July 10, 2020 03:19 PM (TZi47)

414 Huber is Durham.
And Durham is Huber.
And Mike Flynn is going to prosecuted by the Dem Commie Junta after the election.

Failure to do your job when the Marxist's are moving forward ---here's lookin at you Sessions and Barr-- has real, cataclysmic consequences.

There will be innumerable 'Flynns' due to these deceitful/ inept AG's.

.

Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters at July 10, 2020 03:19 PM (5aFbR)

415 407
I think you're both right, lots of French and Germanic influences in English (due to repeated conquest, for one thing). Its not an either/or thing, it just depends on where you look. Tons of examples on either side. And from other sources (Celtic, for example).
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 03:18 PM (KZzsI)

Old English and such + our grammar and manner of speaking are Germanic in origin. We merely stole some words from the French.

Posted by: Someguy at July 10, 2020 03:19 PM (Zm+LZ)

416 Which means the money I have saved and invested over the years, is worth less.

It a hidden tax on the wealth I've saved over the years.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 10, 2020 03:12 PM (NgKpN)

*Buy a tangible asset that will appreciate in value coincident with inflation.

*radio man said to join his club and he would tell me more.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 10, 2020 03:19 PM (pr9ci)

417 Forgot to mention that the Seattle City Council voted yesterday to defund the police department by 50 percent.

FIFTY PERCENT.

And it was a veto-proof majority, so Mayor Jenny from the Block can fluff her feathers in response and still be completely irresponsible.

[insert comments of disgust and disdain here].
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg

Go long on popcorn. This is gonna be fun.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2020 03:19 PM (QFqpA)

418 At least we don't speak Welsh.

Posted by: Grump928© at July 10, 2020 03:19 PM (jbtTP)

419 My husband told me he remembers Mass in Latin and the Priest had his back to everyone.

Yeah they face the altar, which they consider the symbol of God's presence and love. Other denominations the pastor faces the people as God's called representative and because they're easier to hear that way.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Roman Catholics actually believe that Jesus is present in the Eucharist on the Altar (which is what ALL Christians believed until Martin Luther and the Reformation), so the original set-up of the Mass was designed to have the Priest, as representative of the people, facing Jesus on the Altar, and the Cross behind the Altar.

Posted by: Sharkman at July 10, 2020 03:19 PM (BM2fS)

420 Klatu Verada Nictu

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at July 10, 2020 03:20 PM (k/TB6)

421 If they're allowed gestures and to use the word "Dude" with varying inflections.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 03:18 PM (rpbg1)
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I'm okay with gestures, but the second part? No. I'm not of that generation and refuse to use that word.

Got me, bro?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at July 10, 2020 03:20 PM (WEBkv)

422 405 Men can carry on entire conversations with nothing but grunts.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 10, 2020 03:17 PM (DMUuz)

--------------

MmmmHmmmm.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing

at July 10, 2020 03:17 PM (WEBkv)

Ehhgh. *shrugs shoulders*

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 10, 2020 03:19 PM (A5zUN)

Huh

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 10, 2020 03:20 PM (q1Pj5)

423 English is German German is English.

It's all about where you the verb put.
Posted by: Grump928� at July 10, 2020 03:19 PM (jbtTP)

No
Speak
I

Posted by: The Horta at July 10, 2020 03:20 PM (AiZBA)

424 Old and Busted: Orwell

New Hotness: Kafka

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 10, 2020 03:20 PM (EZebt)

425 Like Doctors and Nurses. SOAP note. It stands of Subjective, Objective, Assessment, Plan.

********

SOAP is passé. The current vogue is the APSO note, apparently because other doctors don't like to see the reasoning behind the assessment and plan, so documentation starts off with assessment and plan (usually in bold type), while the subjective and objective data are pushed to the bottom of the page. To my way of thinking, this is dumb.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 10, 2020 03:20 PM (Fc5rx)

426 >>Men can carry on entire conversations with nothing but grunts.

Only if you make us.

Posted by: garrett at July 10, 2020 03:20 PM (5R6fz)

427 True, French and Spanish and Italian and their dialects, and even Romanian, were derived from Latin.

Supposedly, Romanian is closest to pure Latin of all of these languages including (particularly) Italian, oddly enough.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020

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I guess so, if you filter out the Slavic words.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 03:20 PM (rpbg1)

428 There is no basis in statutes or the Constitution for a judge to conduct a private prosecution of a defendant no longer being charged by the executive.

Well there kind of is. Federal courts are the only courts which are allowed to continue prosecution if both sides want to drop the case, as I understand it. Which means that the judge can keep the case going with an alternate prosecutor if they desire, somehow. Whether this has happened before or not I have no idea. But that is my understanding.

But my point about the Supreme Court's sloth isn't some political stunt, they just take ages to do anything.

I mean, they're almost all decrepit, they have a pretty full docket, and I'm not convinced they are the hardest working people in the business to begin with.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 03:20 PM (KZzsI)

429 Our new counting system will have a grand total of four integers:

One
Two
Three
Many
Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 03:13 PM (HEEq1)

Is that a reference to gully dwarves?
Posted by: Someguy

No, actually it's a reference to some primitive tribe discovered by anthropologists long ago -- I think way back in the 1800s, actually - - whose language was so simplistic that they only have four numbers -- one, two, three and many. Their sentence structure also did not allow for subordinate clauses, so only the simplest utterances were possible. Also they had no tense -- only present tense, not possible to refer to past or future.

Many early linguistic theories were based on this tribe's language, with the competing theories being either

a. Growing up in a culture with a hyper-simplistic language actually stunts your brain, such that by the time you grow up you cannot even conceive of sophisticated concepts like "The future" or "If this, then that." vs.

b. Stupid people create a stupid language that reflects the full extent of their intellectual capacity.

Theory "b" was actually dominant for quite a while, but eventually the whole debate was dropped because it became un-PC as the 20th century progressed.

Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 03:21 PM (HEEq1)

430 414: Probably

Posted by: CN at July 10, 2020 03:21 PM (ONvIw)

431 The language of commerce, law, and government is Norman French/Latin. Basically, everything outside the home and family.

Posted by: t-bird at July 10, 2020 03:21 PM (8eSmR)

432 418 At least we don't speak Welsh.
Posted by: Grump928� at July 10, 2020 03:19 PM (jbtTP)

Welsh people say the same thing.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 10, 2020 03:21 PM (6FeV1)

433 Tom Servo,
Ex Parte contact with the individual circuit judges before a ruling is a major ethics no no and that would give the Scotus reason to chuck the whole thing in the trash where it belongs. Any of the judges participating can be sanctioned as well.

It would also mandate Sullivan be replaced as sentencing judge and render all his contacts as subject to discovery motions.

In any case, the swamp blob knows how to act even without instructions so any contact would be via clerks sharing a drink etc.-not directly or via Holder's law buddies etc.

Posted by: whig at July 10, 2020 03:21 PM (pv2s8)

434 >> Old and Busted: Orwell

New Hotness: Kafka

Literally just said that to a friend, this morning.

Posted by: garrett at July 10, 2020 03:21 PM (5R6fz)

435 English will steal a more useful word from any language.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 10, 2020 03:21 PM (pr9ci)

436 Flemish?

Clear your throat

Posted by: Archer at July 10, 2020 03:21 PM (gmo/4)

437 We merely stole some words from the French.

They were rightfully our words in the first place. The emasculated frogs happened upon them by chance.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 10, 2020 03:21 PM (gd9RK)

438 Whatever AlextheChick says, you can take it to en banc.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at July 10, 2020 03:22 PM (ufFY8)

439 Roman Catholics actually believe that Jesus is present in the Eucharist on the Altar (which is what ALL Christians believed until Martin Luther and the Reformation)

That's not entirely accurate, the theology developed over time, and Luther taught that Christ is present, only that the host did not mystically transform into literal flesh of Jesus.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 03:22 PM (KZzsI)

440 AoS. Come for the snark, get educated in language and religion. No place like it.

Posted by: Ass Chum at July 10, 2020 03:22 PM (yfUzb)

441 It Clownworld, Jack. It's alway been Clownworld.

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at July 10, 2020 03:22 PM (xptlg)

442 Forgot to mention that the Seattle City Council voted yesterday to defund the police department by 50 percent.

FIFTY PERCENT.

And it was a veto-proof majority, so Mayor Jenny from the Block can fluff her feathers in response and still be completely irresponsible.

[insert comments of disgust and disdain here].
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg

And I don't want to hear another word about TRUMP HAS TO DO SOMETHING!!

Fuck them. They veto-proof voted this in.
This is ALL on them. In writing.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2020 03:22 PM (QFqpA)

443 Dude!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7sf2O90eu4

Posted by: Captain Obvious, of the sloop John B. at July 10, 2020 03:22 PM (4zyav)

444 Old and Busted: Orwell
New Hotness: Kafka

Just a prison train stop along the way to Dostoevsky.

Posted by: Blacksheep at July 10, 2020 03:23 PM (8/DeP)

445 We merely stole some words from the French.

More like the French invaded and stomped their language all over the Saxons. Kind of the opposite of theft.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 03:23 PM (KZzsI)

446 Forgot to mention that the Seattle City Council voted yesterday to defund the police department by 50 percent.
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And people are supposed to believe this has something to do with Trump?

Posted by: ... at July 10, 2020 03:23 PM (M7Sjc)

447 394---.....English is German German is English.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 10, 2020 03:16 PM (gd9RK)
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English is indeed a Germanic language in structure and basic, everyday vocabulary. Nevertheless, it is true that most of the vocabulary derives from Latin (mostly through French but some directly.)

Assume you are an Anglophone and you want to read a political book in French. You will find a majority of words to be cognate with English --- society, nation, justice, division, unity, legislature, revolution, etc., are easily recognized in French (or Spanish/Italian) versions.

Now try German.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 10, 2020 03:23 PM (M/9m0)

448 English will steal a more useful word from any language.
Posted by: Braenyard at July 10, 2020 03:21 PM (pr9ci)

And the French will throw you in jail if you do that.

Posted by: DR.WTF at July 10, 2020 03:23 PM (AiZBA)

449 My new desktop should have been delivered 30 minutes ago.

*gives UPS the stinkeye*

Posted by: Grump928© at July 10, 2020 03:23 PM (jbtTP)

450 Old English and such + our grammar and manner of speaking are Germanic in origin. We merely stole some words from the French.
Posted by: Someguy at July 10, 2020

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Had them imposed on us by those Normans, you mean!

On the other hand (I forget who said this):

" 'English borrowed words from other languages.' No; we waylaid those languages in a dark alley, mugged them, and stole their lunch money."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 03:23 PM (rpbg1)

451 Willowed, sort of.

Some one in the previous thread mentioned classic schlock horror from the '70s, in other words, "Killdozer".

All I can say is, "Oh yeeaaaahhh!"

And along those lines, who can forget "The Car". Every time I see a Chrysler 300 going down the street, I just know the designer saw that movie. That, and the writers of "Futurama" had some real fun with it in the episode "The Honking".

Posted by: Michael Bolton at July 10, 2020 03:24 PM (ZSK0i)

452 322 I was always amused that the mysterious language of magic in Dragonslayer was plain ol' Vulgar Latin.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 02:58 PM (rpbg1)

The Romance languages were derived from Latin. Common people in the western empire spoke it, or at least close enough.
Posted by: Someguy at July 10, 2020 03:02 PM (Zm+LZ)

All of the Romance languages are basically the Ebonics version of Latin. English is the Ebonics version of Latin and German.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 03:04 PM (YhzyV)

All inner-city court trials should be held in the local language.

That means all Oakland, CA trials must be held in Ebonics.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 10, 2020 03:24 PM (sy5kK)

453 Unfortunately, the DOJ was invited too and they can stall for two weeks as well unless Barr cracks the whip.
Posted by: Grump928� at July 10, 2020 02:14 PM (jbtTP)

And this is what DJT should order Barr to do.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 10, 2020 03:24 PM (7HGEW)

454 I seriously doubt the court will in effect allow a trial judge to refuse to dismiss charges when the prosecutors aren't prosecuting. The ruling would not be limited to this case and it would create a nightmare scenario for the courts--what would they do, find a special prosecutor for every case? Don't get me wrong, I know some courts are highly politicized, but this is nuts. Also they should remove the case from Sullivan because he's actively litigating against Flynn, thus creating a conflict of interest.

Posted by: GatorGirl at July 10, 2020 03:24 PM (bZ6Mt)

455 Office Space sock off!

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at July 10, 2020 03:24 PM (ZSK0i)

456 Norman French is, just like English, a lower Germanic language shot through with Latin loan words. A bunch of Nordic and Frankish nouveaux riches trying to get in tight with the Old Money from Down South.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 10, 2020 03:24 PM (6FeV1)

457
That's not entirely accurate, the theology developed over time, and Luther taught that Christ is present, only that the host did not mystically transform into literal flesh of Jesus.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 03:22 PM (KZzsI)

It played a major role in the Roman persecutions. On account of the sort of pseudo cannibalism thing. Kinda weirded people out, understandably. Aside from the fringier heresies(which I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of so can't say for sure) there was a whole lot of disagreement on this topic till the Protestants came around. And there are a lot of schismatic sects, from the Copts to the Nestorians.

So Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of Man, you have no life in you.

Posted by: Someguy at July 10, 2020 03:25 PM (Zm+LZ)

458 Men can carry on entire conversations with nothing but grunts.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 10, 2020 03:17 PM (DMUuz)
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MmmmHmmmm.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at July 10, 2020 03:17 PM (WEBkv)

Ehhgh. *shrugs shoulders*

Posted by: Aetius451AD

Hooah!

Posted by: Diogenes at July 10, 2020 03:25 PM (axyOa)

459 >>My new desktop should have been delivered 30 minutes ago.

If your UPS Driver looks like the blonde who dropped off my tools the other day, you will be apologizing to her.

Posted by: garrett at July 10, 2020 03:25 PM (5R6fz)

460 It is my experience that spoken Spanish, or at least Mexican, is the easiest language for English speakers to understand, if the Spanish speaker is willing to say the same thing multiple ways, and so damn down. We have enough words and roots in common to make communication possible.

Posted by: Grump928© at July 10, 2020 03:25 PM (jbtTP)

461 Nood

Posted by: Nurse ratched at July 10, 2020 03:26 PM (5CU7m)

462 Whatever AlextheChick says, you can take it to en banc.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt

Damn it. I just cleaned this keyboard!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at July 10, 2020 03:26 PM (axyOa)

463 At least we don't speak Welsh.
Posted by: Grump928� at July 10, 2020

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Truly the language of kings!

Posted by: Richard Burton at July 10, 2020 03:26 PM (rpbg1)

464 slow damn down

FMK

Posted by: Grump928© at July 10, 2020 03:26 PM (jbtTP)

465
A quote from my favorite Admiral is in order, methinks.

This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 10, 2020 03:26 PM (KATBx)

466 Battenberg - Mountbatten - Windsor

Nothing to see here. Let's move along.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 10, 2020 03:26 PM (q1Pj5)

467
English will steal a more useful word from any language.
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That's what the fuck I quoted!

Posted by: andycanuck at July 10, 2020 03:26 PM (TZi47)

468 It is my experience that spoken Spanish, or at least Mexican, is the easiest language for English speakers to understand, if the Spanish speaker is willing to say the same thing multiple ways, and so damn down. We have enough words and roots in common to make communication possible.
Posted by: Grump928� at July 10, 2020

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And if the Spanish speaker will slow the fuck down.

Posted by: Richard Burton at July 10, 2020 03:27 PM (rpbg1)

469 It would also mandate Sullivan be replaced as sentencing judge and render all his contacts as subject to discovery motions.

In any case, the swamp blob knows how to act even without instructions so any contact would be via clerks sharing a drink etc.-not directly or via Holder's law buddies etc.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2020 03:21 PM (pv2s

I know you're correct, I get snarky when the gaming of the system gets so blatant. And just to repeat, I don't think any of this is about "winning" this case anymore; it's all about keeping everything tied up in court until after November 3rd. And no one ever has to make any decisions at all to make that happen.

and after that, none of it will matter.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2020 03:27 PM (Kpl3J)

470 Now try German.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 10, 2020 03:23 PM (M/9m0)

Old English and Frisian:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeC1yAaWG34

Posted by: hogmartin at July 10, 2020 03:27 PM (t+qrx)

471 It played a major role in the Roman persecutions. On account of the sort of pseudo cannibalism thing.

Yeah but that was not because Christians were teaching that they were literally eating the physical body of Christ, but because Romans though that was what they believed. If you read the writings of the church fathers, that developed over time rather than being assumed right from the start. Some thought it was, others disagreed.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 03:27 PM (KZzsI)

472 Old and Busted: Orwell
New Hotness: Kafka

Just a prison train stop along the way to Dostoevsky.
Posted by: Blacksheep at July 10, 2020 03:23 PM (8/DeP)

Ahem!
Alexandr Solzhenitsyn

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 10, 2020 03:27 PM (eTZoJ)

473
Now try German.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 10, 2020 03:23 PM (M/9m0)

Modern german isn't as close to the old language we derived english from as english is.

Posted by: Someguy at July 10, 2020 03:27 PM (Zm+LZ)

474 Seattle your on your own for defense it looks.

Posted by: Skip at July 10, 2020 03:28 PM (6f16T)

475 Now try German.

Sohn/son, Tochter/daughter, Bruder/brother, Schwester/sister, Vater/father*, Mutter/mother.

Everything elemental is German.

*(Dutch is the language begat of German and English having drunk sex. Father in Dutch is Vader. So when Darth says Luke I am your... it's got to be hilarious in Dutch)

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 10, 2020 03:28 PM (gd9RK)

476 Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at July 10, 2020 03:07 PM (dfRN6)

O.K. This is not intended as a religious debate or as an aspersion on RC rites (Because I don't think anyone who knows what I post can claim I'm disrespectful towards RC) but why couldn't a priest be equally respectful of the real presence of Christ while he officiates at the Eucharist while facing the congregation?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 10, 2020 03:28 PM (oDRcK)

477 Men can carry on entire conversations with nothing but grunts.

my sons can do that, it's almost like they're Canadians

Posted by: DanMan at July 10, 2020 03:28 PM (XTiHL)

478 Whatever AlextheChick says, you can take it to en 1/3-scale banc.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at July 10, 2020 03:22 PM

FIFY.

Posted by: Duncanthrax, in his tighty-asbestoswhities at July 10, 2020 03:28 PM (DMUuz)

479 MmmmHmmmm.
Posted by: blake

Ehhgh. *shrugs shoulders*
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Hooah!
Posted by: Diogenes

**********

Bah!

Posted by: Muldoon at July 10, 2020 03:29 PM (Fc5rx)

480 Holey Schniekes SSBN 656 (G) - that is not a response to the mandamus but more Brady evidence. Multiple sets of notes saying Flynn was telling the truth, form DOJ and FBI. And George Tosca apparently wanted to know who thought it was appropriate to tell the White House to stop making false statements

Watch @technoFog and @undercoverhuber for explanation. Damning!

Posted by: motionview at July 10, 2020 03:30 PM (pYQR/)

481 471

Yeah but that was not because Christians were teaching that they were literally eating the physical body of Christ, but because Romans though that was what they believed. If you read the writings of the church fathers, that developed over time rather than being assumed right from the start. Some thought it was, others disagreed.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 03:27 PM (KZzsI)

The Romans were not particularly reckless about justice. The Christians at least were unwilling to deny the Roman understanding of the ritual or to abandon it.

Posted by: Someguy at July 10, 2020 03:31 PM (Zm+LZ)

482 Old English and Frisian:

Oh, you've posted that before. I love that.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 10, 2020 03:33 PM (gd9RK)

483 We have to be getting a inch of rain a hour or so.

Posted by: Skip at July 10, 2020 03:33 PM (6f16T)

484 Judges are, for the most part, Giant Asshoe.
Posted by: garrett at July 10, 2020 02:22 PM (7rlF0)

I rate this as bigly true.
Posted by: CN at July 10, 2020 02:24 PM (ONvIw)

America needs more hanging judges. Where to hang them is left as an exercise for the reader.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 10, 2020 03:34 PM (7HGEW)

485 476 Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at July 10, 2020 03:07 PM (dfRN6)

O.K. This is not intended as a religious debate or as an aspersion on RC rites (Because I don't think anyone who knows what I post can claim I'm disrespectful towards RC) but why couldn't a priest be equally respectful of the real presence of Christ while he officiates at the Eucharist while facing the congregation?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 10, 2020 03:28 PM (oDRcK)

The dominant liturgy in the Catholic Church today has the priest face the congregation. Liturgy often takes on a great deal of importance with various groups within the Church, though it is not strictly speaking theological differences that result in different liturgies. East Catholics(which are part of the "Roman" Catholic Church) have their own liturgy. Liturgies differed in several places before the Great Schism with approval and acceptance.

Posted by: Someguy at July 10, 2020 03:35 PM (Zm+LZ)

486 Problem they gave here is that en banc hearings are for a discrepancy in law, in other words that the decision to hear it would be because the 3 judge decision somehow conflicts with Fokker. Fokker was decided by THESE JUDGES and the 3 judge decision does NOT conflict with Fokker. There is zero reason to go en banc.

They worked hard to not humiliate Sullivan but now they have to keep from humiliating the 3 appeals court judges.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at July 10, 2020 03:35 PM (Z4VOL)

487 btw Wakandan is South African dialect of xhosa, why would that be if it's a country in Central Africa, you're guess is as good as mind,

there was a real life kilmonger, in the sense of an American trained East African dictator, that would be the Ethiopian Mengistu Meriam,

Posted by: thomas hobbes at July 10, 2020 03:36 PM (hMlTh)

488
The same Seattle city council has eliminated property crimes, de-criminalized prostitution and any drugs (not just pot) and added the new Amazon head tax, a tax on any larger employer, costing them at least hundreds every year per employee.

Oh, and the tax is on a sliding scale, and includes not only salaries, but all income, including stock options and dividends.

There are a few Amazon employees specifically, but many in others in software and medical companies that make most of their money by choosing stock. Quite common in start ups and new technology companies.

There was an example of two Amazon employees that will cost Amazon over $1 MILLION a year each in new Seattle head tax.

Seattle is toast. 7 Marxist council members run the city.

Oh, and earlier this week Amazon announced the purchase of a 92 acre tract in Arizona.

See ya, billions in payroll revenue.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 10, 2020 03:36 PM (sy5kK)

489 I think Sidney Powell has already filed her response... here's a link to CourtListener, it's the one on top, dated today

https://tinyurl.com/y7gfema9

It's a good read, actually. Hope she don't break the 3900-word limit, though, because then they'll have to start all over again.
Posted by: t-bird at July 10, 2020 03:16 PM (B2mhs)

No, that's a supplement to a previously filed request to dismiss and is not the response requested by the DC Circuit today.

It's a supplemental filing, not a new one.

Presume banshee shrieking about the opacity of the FRAP here.

My God, I'm so glad I'm not doing litigation any more.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 03:36 PM (GbPPJ)

490

HUMILIATE SULLIVAN

-new rallying cry

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at July 10, 2020 03:37 PM (JdiCZ)

491 476 Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at July 10, 2020 03:07 PM (dfRN6)

O.K. This is not intended as a religious debate or as an aspersion on RC rites (Because I don't think anyone who knows what I post can claim I'm disrespectful towards RC) but why couldn't a priest be equally respectful of the real presence of Christ while he officiates at the Eucharist while facing the congregation?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 10, 2020 03:28 PM (oDRcK)

Hi Fen! questions like this do not show any disrespect, but healthy curiosity.
Actually, it had to do with the priest and the congregation facing east - Ad orientem - the sun rises in the east and Christ was to return from the east, like the rising sun. The priest was actually leading the people in addressing Christ so everyone faced the same direction. If the church was not actually oriented to the east, then the congregation still maintained a liturgical east and faced the same direction as the priest. At its root, with the priest and congregation facing the same direction, they are in unison with the priest as focused on God with him as opposed to focusing on the priest.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at July 10, 2020 03:37 PM (8/7u2)

492 Btw Fokker seems to face the Supremes about once every decade, often in the transhipment of aircraft to unauthorized locales,

Posted by: thomas hobbes at July 10, 2020 03:38 PM (hMlTh)

493 Up until the 1800s, Latin was the common denominator of Europe. Instead of learning a dozen languages, a person only had to learn one. The Queen's English serves the same purpose in India today.

Just as an aside -- I took four years of Latin in a public high school; the XO took three years of Latin in a Catholic high school. Fifty years later, we are still battling over the correct pronunciation of "v" and "ae".

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- current occupation: cat furniture at July 10, 2020 03:38 PM (P0lHU)

494 https://bit.ly/2W7FsJJ
*******
Sydney Powell court filing

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 10, 2020 03:38 PM (1Dmt5)

495 428, Christopher,
The Scotus case most on point refers to where a prosecutor drops a case in order to refile it repetitively and then the judge can step in (Rinaldi). In Rinandi's case, he was already prosecuted for his crimes in state court and the Feds were essentially retrying him in federal court for the same offense.

Another Gleeson (the amicus) cited case was Woody which was a district court decision that expressed dismay at the prosecution being dropped but reluctantly agreed that the DA has sole prosecutory power.

The case of Parlton was also diametrically opposed in that the question in Parlton was regarding an appeal regarding jury instructions and evidence excluded by the district court, not a sentencing decision nor independent prosecutorial powers.

The last case of Young dealt with the issue of the DOJ's uncertainty as to whether a definition of law applied to the prosecution or now regarding dispensing controlled substances. The DOJ confessed an error dealing with the matter of law, not of fact.

Murphy's opinion merely goes into that the court has an independent duty to correctly interpret the law in this case and held that the DOJ did not commit an legal error in the trial on the key provision. It did not give the trial court below a roving commission to prosecute.

Gleeson and Wilkerson should be ashamed at such shoddy legal work.

Posted by: whig at July 10, 2020 03:39 PM (pv2s8)

496 but why couldn't a priest be equally respectful of the real presence of Christ while he officiates at the Eucharist while facing the congregation?

It is as "respectful" and thats how Novus Ordo is said. Only Trinitine masses are said facing east.

Traditionally Churches were built so that the priest AND the congregation faced EAST. Symbolically toward the rising sun, the light of the world. It was on body of the priest in persona christi and the body, the people facing toward Christ.

Novus Ordo has the priest or the people facing different directions. It's actually LESS unifying, but more modern sensibilities don't get it.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at July 10, 2020 03:41 PM (Z4VOL)

497 Truly the language of kings!

Posted by: Richard Burton at July 10, 2020 03:26 PM (rpbg1)

Here, let me help!

"Yn wir iaith brenhinoedd!"

Or in plain English, "Yarg kargin fargy bargle".

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at July 10, 2020 03:45 PM (ZSK0i)

498 Cannot go on too much longer; the DC Circuit Court now has confirmed what has long been suspected. That they are bumbling partisan hacks that need to be replaced.

Makes them all look like idiots.
Rather, confirms their idiocy.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at July 10, 2020 03:49 PM (QMwOT)

499 FWIW, the 3900 word limit is a recognition of the computer age. The limit for en banc pleadings used to be 15 pages. The word limit came about when computer technology allowed simplified accurate word counts. It was assumed that a "page" equaled about 260 words (double-spaced, legal sized page), therefore, 3900 words was equivalent to 3900 words.

Posted by: jayhawkone at July 10, 2020 03:55 PM (ZD+J8)

500 Klatu Verada Nictu
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death

Watchu talkin' 'bout, Willis?

Posted by: Gort at July 10, 2020 04:11 PM (ZCiJZ)

501 "why couldn't a priest be equally
respectful of the real presence of Christ while he officiates at the
Eucharist while facing the congregation?"
Others here have brought up the East-facing custom for both priest and congregants. The other thing is that the priest facing the altar instead of the congregation displays less of his personal identity: the nature of the Eucharistic rite is that he acts <i>in persona Christi</i> and not as himself, so at that particular moment the less individualism the better.

Posted by: craig at July 10, 2020 04:19 PM (cuEy1)

502 Hmmm.... In my youth I attended a Catholic Church house that faced North, toward Santa Claus. As it was the baby boom, and the building was converted from a gymnasium, I guess that was ok.

Posted by: klaftern at July 10, 2020 04:24 PM (RuIsu)

503 Federal litigator here.

Petitions for En Banc hearing are usually denied as a matter of course. The other side is not even given a chance to respond in the rules (because they are denied at an overwhelming rate).

The only reason to order an opposing side to respond to a petition is because the court is seriously considering granting en banc review. To me, this signals that the chance of an en banc rehearing just went up quite a bit.

Posted by: sg123 at July 10, 2020 05:19 PM (xYr9U)

504 64 En banc is one of those fancy casino card games they play in Europeland. It requires a 'shoe' and sexy womens undraped in silk. Think James Bond.
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 10, 2020 02:21 PM (q1Pj5)

Posted by: Fox2! at July 10, 2020 06:07 PM (qyH+l)

505 64 En banc is one of those fancy casino card games they play in Europeland. It requires a 'shoe' and sexy womens draped in silk. Think James Bond.
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 10, 2020 02:21 PM (q1Pj5)

Windsor predates Mountbatten. George V changed the family name (which was Saxe-Gotha, IIRC) for the same reason the Battenbergs changed to Mountbatten - anti-German hysteria during WWI.

Posted by: Fox2! at July 10, 2020 06:19 PM (qyH+l)

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