Gun Thread: Father's Day Mail Bag Edition! [Weasel]

Happy Father's day to all the Moms and Dads out there!

Holy Crap, people! You really blowed-up the 'ol mailbox this week! Thank you so much for taking the time send in all the great pictures, stories and other information. I'm a little behind on responding to email so if you sent something and I haven't replied to you, thanks for your patience! Now let's take a peek below and see what we have, shall we?

Last week, our pal Kilroy wasn't here suggested "a fun subject might be the nomenclature of cartridges and what the numbers represent" and our other pal Neon Madman, the cartridge collecting expert, jumped right on it with the following:

Hooo, boy. Yes, it would be fun. I could write pages about this. However, let me try to put forth a very condensed version of what passes as a cartridge numbering system. I say this because there really isn't a true defined system, it is more of a traditional way of doing things that is frequently modified by marketing specialists, manufacturers, and others.
Shotgun shells are typically defined by a set of numbers: gauge, length, powder charge, shot weight, and shot size. The gauge is the diameter of the shotshell. Traditionally, a shotgun bore size was defined by the weight of a pure lead ball that would fit the bore; a 12 gauge shotgun had a bore such that a pure lead ball that fit it weighed one twelfth of a pound. A 10 gauge shotgun had a bore that matched a lead ball weighing one tenth of a pound. This was a hangover from the days when cannon were sized in a similar manner; a 12-pounder cannon shot a cannonball that weighed 12 pounds.
Shotgun shell length is important to pay attention to, and the allowable shell length for a particular gun will be stamped on the barrel. These are typically 2 3/4, 3, or 3 1/2 inches, and in the old days 2 5/8 or 2 9/16 chamberings existed. The reason to pay attention is that if a longer shell is put in than the gun is chambered for, such as a 3 inch shell in a 2 3/4 chamber, there may not be enough room for the shell crimp to unfold when the shell is fired, causing an obstruction and high pressure condition that could blow the gun.
Powder charge is numbered in "dram equivalent", something that is almost meaningless to the modern shooter. It is the equivalent of a black powder charge weight in drams, and basically the higher the number, the more powerful the charge. Of course, weight of the shot charge defines how much shot the shell is loaded with in ounces, and the shot size number defines how big the pellets are.
OK, let's talk about rifle cartridges. Here's where it really starts to get wild. The traditional format is .xxx-yyy-zzz [name], where .xxx is the caliber or bullet diameter in thousandth of an inch, yyy is the powder charge weight in grains, and zzz is the bullet weight in grains. The [name] is typically the manufacturer who developed the cartridge, or the intended user. For example, let's look at the .45-70-405 Government cartridge. This is .45 caliber, originally loaded with 70 grains of black powder, and had a 405 grain lead bullet. "Government" refers to the fact that this was originally a military cartridge for the Trapdoor Springfield rifle.
The important thing to remember is that for rifles (and pistols), this system is traditional, not absolute. Everyone messes with it. The .30-06 Springfield cartridge should be .30 caliber, but actually is .308 (same as the .308 Winchester). The -06 refers to the date of introduction (1906), not the powder charge. The .38 Special pistol cartridge shoots the same .357 caliber bullet as the .357 Magnum. The .250-3000 Savage cartridge referred to one with a .250 caliber bullet that achieved 3000 FPS velocity. European cartridges generally use the bullet diameter and cartridge case length in millimeters, such as the 8x57 Mauser.
Anyone interested in cartridges should pick up a copy of "Cartridges of the World", a fascinating book about the subject.

Way to bitch slap us with some knowledge, Neon Madman! Thank you!

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Last week our pal Xipe Totec provided us with great questions to start a load development discussion, and this week Xipe has sent in some pictures from his collection.

This is my M-44. Mannlicher style stock blank from Richards micro fit stocks. Timney trigger. Full length bedded. Welded turn down bolt handle. Burris light magnum long eye relief scope. Rust blueing. 8.6 pounds. Laminated stock for warp resistance. Laminated stock is difficult to checker due to various grain direction and hardness. Bore was slugged at .313" so I am shooting Hornady SST 150 grain .312" bullets. I intend to hand load to 2700 FPS. I will send a view of the other side shortly.

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This is my hand made rifle. It is a single shot falling block action. Except for buying a Shilen bbl. blank, it is 100% hand built. I dragged the Ozark walnut log out of the woods. I made the mounts for the original American made Weaver scope. I machined the action parts and hardened them in my antique forge. The action parts are Austempered O-1 tool steel. The receiver is hardened and tempered 4140. The fore end is free floated via an aluminum 'I' beam I machined and bolted to the front of the receiver. My design. Basic design is DeHass Vault Lock #2 with many mods. Slow rust blue I did myself. Chambered in 30-40 Krag. I carved and checkered the stock from raw milled walnut. Shoots 1 1/2" groups at 100 yards. Hand loaded to 2700 FPS. Best part: it weighs 5 pounds! Estimated time investment 850 hours. 24" bbl. It has taken several bucks and is completely ambidextrous.

Like how Xipe casually mentions that he wandered out to the workshop and threw together his own rifle? Damn, Man! Very nicely done!

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Next we have a nice report from our pal Scuba_Dude on his range trip and MicroMoMe with our pal CBD:

Well it finally happened after all these months, I MADE IT TO THE RANGE!!!!! Woo Hoo!!! And joining me was no other than CBD himself!
So what can I say, it was a beautiful day outside, low 80's, light wind, blue skies and the tinkling of brass hitting the concrete.
This is my first time ever going to my range during the week, I did not expect it to be busy but it was!! Due to the Wuhan Flu our outdoor range decided the way to do social distancing was to close ever other port. This attributed to the crowded conditions but I will say I have NEVER seen the range this busy. Pretty much every port on the 100 yard rifle range was occupied by someone exercising their 2A Right which had every other port closed. The pistol range if I remember correctly tried to do that but to be honest I can't say it looked like every other port was closed. CBD, please correct me if I am mistaken. I met up with CBD outside the clubhouse and CBD is a very nice, friendly person and the first person from AoS I met outside the blog and a COB to boot!!
We proceeded to the pistol range as the 100 yard range looked to be full. Because I reside in the Peoples Republic of New York City I am not permitted to take my handgun across State Lines, and our range is in New Jersey. CBD who resides in NJ brought one of his pistols, a Walther PPQ in .45ACP and was gracious enough to let me give it a try. We placed the target stand around 7-10 yards from the bench and started putting rounds down range. The first picture shows our first 10 rounds each. I was shooting on the upper left hand target and CBD was the bottom right. As you can see CBD really loves his Walther, I think he sleeps with it. I think we put at least 50 rounds each through the Walther. The second picture shows how the target was when we had finished.

Moving along, Scuba_Dude continues his report:

Next we went onto the 100 yard range. CBD brought his AR-15 and I brought my Savage 110 in .308 which I never really completed zeroing the scope the last time.
First my rifle.
We got there just as the line went cold for target change. I decided to first put my target at the 50 yard line and see what the rifle would do. Range goes hot and I am looking through the scope at the lowest power setting, put the crosshairs at the center of the target and squeeze the trigger.
Boom!! Dead Center!

Well, I am thinking this must be a fluke. I relax a bit, again look through the scope, put the crosshairs on the center of target and squeeze the trigger. Boom!! Dead Center again. Wow!! What is going on? I decided to see what would happen if I aim at the metal plates that our range has placed 100 yards away. Still keeping the scope on the lowest power I aim at one of the 8-10 inch circular plates they have hanging there and squeeze the trigger. Nailed it!! I then shoot at a couple more steel targets at 100 yards and hit them all. So I came back to my target and aimed at the target at the bottom left and shoot. Hmmm, almost 1 MOA low and left. I shot 2 more times and you can see they both were low and left. Took 2 more shots at center of target and with one 1/2 MOA low and the other 1 MOA low. When the line went cold I took my stand out to 100 yards and threw a shoot and see target on it. The 5 shots you see on there were me aiming at the center and 2 shots with me aiming at the top right target. So, I think I still have to work on zeroing the scope a bit more.

Now onto CBD. I will give the highlights but he may want to fill in more of the details. For some reason after he took his first shot with the AR it did not cycle and he spent the next 10 - 15 minutes trying to rack the bolt back. He wound up taking down the AR there trying to figure out what was wrong. A guy in the port next to him graciously helped diagnose what was wrong with the rifle and even took the time to break down the bolt assembly to find out why the rifle would not cycle. I will say this, you will find the NICEST and most HELPFUL people at a gun range.
So that is it for now. Had a great time and it was really great meeting CBD. Hopefully it will not be the last time.

Outstanding report, Scuba_Dude! Thank you and congratulations to you both on some nice shooting! Those fancy-pants ARs can be finicky at first, and I'm sure CDB will have it sorted out in short order. Get it? Short order As in cook. HAHAHAHAHA! I crack myself up.

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Next we have a great submission from our pal waepnedmann who has a very creative solution for a reloading bench when space is at a premium.

We are limited on space, so I designed and built this two-sided reloading bench on casters. It is very stable even while sizing rifle brass, but pivots around easily when I want to use my Dillon Square-Deal B. There is an overhanging top shelf with a strip of LED lights on each side, but they were too bright for the photo. The orange buckets are for brass. This has worked out very well.

That is cooler than shit, waepnedmann, and very nicely done! Thanks for sharing!

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For those shooting vintage military weapons, have you ever wondered if your surplus ammo is corrosive? Well our pal redc1c4 sends us an excellent summary of both corrosive and non-corrosive USGI ammunition with identifying headstamps, found at AmmoGarand.com. In addition to the ammo list, there is a lot of great Garand information at the site. Check it out! Thanks redc1c4!

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ATTENTION NoVaMoMe 2020!!

Sad people who cannot make the new NoVaMoMe date of August 29th

Due the Chinese Cooties hysteria in Virginia, the NoVaMoMe 2020 has been postponed until Saturday, August 29th. The time and location remain the same. If you haven't already, please check your email and let the Central Planning Committee know if you are able to make the new date. If not, your registration fee will be refunded and we will open your spot to those on the wait list. Questions? Just email us at NoVaMoMe2020 at gee mail dot com. Thank you!

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***Mail Bag***

Have you ever found yourself laying awake at night wondering which pistol was the very first Jerry Miculek ever fired? Lord knows the question has plagued me for years, and now we have the answer!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 bang!

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 21, 2020 07:00 PM (GOr5y)

2 coulda been a contender

Posted by: boomers remember stuff at June 21, 2020 07:01 PM (+U5Yr)

3 In early!

Posted by: FortWorthMike at June 21, 2020 07:01 PM (b0NwW)

4 JUMP

Posted by: Braenyard at June 21, 2020 07:02 PM (Knoyq)

5 Thought I hit refresh on food thread. Guess not. How y'all doing?

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at June 21, 2020 07:02 PM (EhN2W)

6 first

(no one else posted it)

Posted by: Hands (but no gloves) at June 21, 2020 07:02 PM (786Ro)

7 In early
stay late

Posted by: Braenyard at June 21, 2020 07:02 PM (Knoyq)

8 sent off to Colt pics of two very low number 1911s, using my Malig-Nanxy monies to pay the $100 research fees on both. i don't expect anything back until late summer/early fall, but it will be interesting to see what they say...

now, back outside to move firewood out of the way of a stat project i gotta get done, to help get the City off our ass.

BBL

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 21, 2020 07:03 PM (GOr5y)

9 I want to settle this argument before it gets started on the gum thread. OK

View of unwell attended Trump Rally, Tulsa OK

https://tinyurl.com/y7pl7cbd
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y7pl7cbd

Posted by: Braenyard at June 21, 2020 07:04 PM (Knoyq)

10 Woo Hoo!!! Gun Thread!!
Weasel, I think the pictures of my targets are a little skewed.All the pictures should be rotated 90 degrees to the left. :-)
Love the reloading bench waepnedmann.

And I am drawn to the M-44, love the wood on that rifle!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 21, 2020 07:09 PM (uyKdz)

11 CBD, maybe you need superior platform AK47. Strong Like Bull! Not like veak AR. before you shoot me, please know we Eromeros have both and like both.

Posted by: Eromero at June 21, 2020 07:10 PM (XhWtx)

12 Yay gub thread!

Calibers are a fascinating subject, and as I've gone farther down the rabbit hole into historical weapons, it just gets more interesting.

Consider 9mm. How many variations are there? Everyone knows 9mm luger, but you've got 9mm Steyr, Glisenti, Makarov, Largo and of course Short/Kurz/Corso.

Interestingly, 9mm Largo (aka 9x23mm, 9mm Bergmann-Mars) is different than 9mm Steyr which has the same dimensions.

It's all so confusing.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 07:10 PM (cfSRQ)

13 U.S.A. cartridge nomenclature condensed version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wqa1ctKmeg

European cartridge nomenclature condensed version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLHGTJjHXLo

Posted by: Braenyard at June 21, 2020 07:11 PM (Knoyq)

14 Well it finally happened after all these months, I MADE IT TO THE
RANGE!!!!! Woo Hoo!!! And joining me was no other than CBD himself!
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That takes on a whole different connotation when you spell CBD's nick out in full.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 07:11 PM (cfSRQ)

15 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 21, 2020 07:09 PM (uyKdz)
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I just noticed that, Scuba_Dude, sorry about that. Not sure why that happened. I edited them all before including them.

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 07:12 PM (MVjcR)

16 Great Googly-moogly! What a lot of content. I'll read and eat my burger and be back in a bit!

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at June 21, 2020 07:13 PM (0ssRW)

17 Thanks Braenyard for the pic. well attended it was.

Posted by: azalea city at June 21, 2020 07:13 PM (WX+x0)

18 That takes on a whole different connotation when you spell CBD's nick out in full.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 07:11 PM (cfSRQ)
Yeah, I all for acronyms, saves on keystrokes. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 21, 2020 07:14 PM (uyKdz)

19 Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 07:12 PM (MVjcR)

No worries Weasel.
EVERYONE!!!GRAB YOUR MONITORS AND TURN THEM COUNTERCLOCKWISE 90 DEGREES!!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 21, 2020 07:15 PM (uyKdz)

20 Hoyo de Monterrey, Serie le Hoyo is the cigar of the evening.

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 07:16 PM (MVjcR)

21 Still of somewhat impaired mobility post-surgery, so no range time this week ... or probably next, either.
Probably I will do some nickel-on-barrel dry fire this week, just as I did early this year, it really seemed to help with the long DAO pull on my two carry pieces.
Good news, this was the last surgery, everything is working as it's supposed to; when the hole in my belly heals up I will be able to wear a belt and OWB holster again ! Yay !

Wow, some VERY impressive pix up top there, they leave me with the sensation that I lack ambition in my DIY projects !

Posted by: the_sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at June 21, 2020 07:17 PM (0IMgo)

22 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 21, 2020 07:15 PM (uyKdz)
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I really have no idea what happened to cause them all to rotate 90 degrees. I'll have to look into it so it doesn't happen again. Very lame. Sorry bro.

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 07:18 PM (MVjcR)

23 I'm seeing a number of manufactures with "E-Z" or whatever the nomenclature is for easy racking slides in multiple calibers. But not .45. I get why. But is it coming?

As someone who's ageing and has issue with their hands, this is interesting to me.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Civilly Disobedient at June 21, 2020 07:19 PM (3H9h1)

24 I did make it to the range this week, and the weapons passed around were:

Walther P99
Taurus 85 Titanium
Walther PK380
SW MP 380 E-Z
Browning 1911 in 380

Yeah, it was kind of a mouse gun roundup.

So my take based on shooting:

The Browning is really just a target gun. No way you would want to carry it. Sure, it's slimmer than the others, feels good, but the sights are old school, it's single-action only, which feels really out of date (yes, coming from me that's something) but the biggest thing is that you have to hold down the magazine release button to put a new magazine in. No way you want to do that under stress.

I'm not a huge fan of spare mags for concealed carry, but it's a fiddly detail that makes it more suited to plinking than actual SHTF situations.

The Smith and Walther 380s are fraternal twins, so not much difference. Both very fun to use, quick for rapid-fire engagement.

PPQ is great is always, and revolvers are always fun.

We did some improvised timed drills where we engaged man-sized targets and damn those Smith and Walther guns recover *fast*.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 07:20 PM (cfSRQ)

25 Nice mail bag Weasel and contributions

Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2020 07:20 PM (6f16T)

26 Evening, gunnies. Evening, Boss. Evening, WD1 and WD2.

Posted by: RI Red at June 21, 2020 07:21 PM (5qvy2)

27 Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2020 07:20 PM (6f16T)
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Thanks, amigo.

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 07:21 PM (MVjcR)

28 Cartridge names. There have been several center fire .22's given sundry names to make them distinctive, but all using ~.224 slugs. .219 Zipper, .218 Bee. Rem .222, others...

A while back we spoke of the naval gun, the 3"/50 caliber. A little confusing at first glance, but note that there is no leading decimal point in front of '50'. It is the Navy's practice to call (some) guns according the the product of the bore and barrel length. That being said, the length of the above mentioned is 3 x 50 =150"

As an aside, a weapon that owns a warm spot in my heart is the 106mm Recoilless Rifle. It actually has a 105mm bore, but named '106mm' to avoid confusing ammo with 105mm field gun ammo.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 21, 2020 07:22 PM (vOGqy)

29 I couldn't sleep fri night so I got up and started checking out chronographs. As luck would have it Amazon had the Caldwell for $61 so naturally I hit "one click" and it arrived this morning. Put it on my tripod, downloaded the software to my phone and got everything working for my range trip in the morning. Rubber bands work great for testing and getting set up. I found out that I shoot rubber bands between 70 and 105 fps.

Posted by: ck at June 21, 2020 07:22 PM (Gf0Po)

30 Lloyd actually last week was wondering about all the 9mm types and were they interchangeable at least a little bit.

Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2020 07:23 PM (6f16T)

31 I'm seeing a number of manufactures with "E-Z" or
whatever the nomenclature is for easy racking slides in multiple
calibers. But not .45. I get why. But is it coming?

As someone who's ageing and has issue with their hands, this is interesting to me.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Civilly Disobedient at June 21, 2020 07:19 PM (3H9h1)

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I shot one this weekend. Very easy to rack, but .380 has never been considered a savage caliber. Honestly, the chief difference between the Smith and Walther seemed to be the Smith had a more ergonomic slide for easier grip and a captive spring.

Captive springs are wonderful.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 07:23 PM (cfSRQ)

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26 Evening, gunnies. Evening, Boss. Evening, WD1 and WD2.
Posted by: RI Red at June 21, 2020 07:21 PM (5qvy2)
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Howdy! WD2 is out on the deck with me now. He's developed an unhealthy attraction to WD's most favorite toy, Duck Baby.

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 07:23 PM (MVjcR)

33 Another thing interesting about ammunition, centerfire rifle calibers in particular, are their aliases. An example is .280 Rigby, and ammo might be scarce. Nah, it's 7X57 Mauser. Another common pistol alias is 32 Colt New Police,which is 32 Smith and Wesson because Colt didn't want to stamp Smith and Wesson on their stuff.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at June 21, 2020 07:25 PM (C1Lsn)

34 That double sided reloading bench is cool, the addition of castors makes it over the top cool!

Posted by: Nevada Dave at June 21, 2020 07:26 PM (3DzQz)

35
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 21, 2020 07:26 PM (0RgH2)

36 No range report. I've been getting used to changing measuring dimensions across the board to shoulders and ogives instead of COAL.
Finally have the measuring tools (inexpensive) and they now make more sense.

Posted by: RI Red at June 21, 2020 07:26 PM (5qvy2)

37 34 That double sided reloading bench is cool, the addition of castors makes it over the top cool!
Posted by: Nevada Dave at June 21, 2020 07:26 PM (3DzQz)
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Isn't that slick?

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 07:26 PM (MVjcR)

38 Bought ammo at sportsmans Warehouse. 9mm. 40, 38, 00 12 gauge, 20 gaige. Want buy a home defense shotgun. Thinking 20 guage so Heidi can handle easily then read 12 because of weight can have less recoil and they have light loads in 00? Man I get confused when reading about loads and grain weight even for our pistols. Ugh. Heavier round, velocity....

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 21, 2020 07:28 PM (XEfKE)

39 36 No range report. I've been getting used to changing measuring dimensions across the board to shoulders and ogives instead of COAL.
Finally have the measuring tools (inexpensive) and they now make more sense.
Posted by: RI Red at June 21, 2020 07:26 PM (5qvy2)
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Good man. One thing I do is to save the bullet used for the first measurement and use it for all subsequent measurements.

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 07:29 PM (MVjcR)

40 30
Lloyd actually last week was wondering about all the 9mm types and were they interchangeable at least a little bit.

Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2020 07:23 PM (6f16T)

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I realized I left out 9x23 Winchester, which also does not fit with 9x23 Steyr or 9x23 Largo.

The problem is that some of the rounds will chamber in guns that cannot handle them. A lot of early 9mm designs were pure blowback, so if you add too much oomph, bad things happen.

They typically have heavy recoil springs to help compensate, which makes them not for the weak of grip.

The M1907 Dreyse is only a .32 but the little bastard has a super-strong spring, almost no place to grip the slide and it doesn't lock open - ever! There's actually no slide lock on it.

Fun to shoot once you figure it out, though.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 07:29 PM (cfSRQ)

41 Another thing interesting about ammunition, centerfire rifle calibers in particular, are their aliases. An example is .280 Rigby, and ammo might be scarce. Nah, it's 7X57 Mauser. Another common pistol alias is 32 Colt New Police,which is 32 Smith and Wesson because Colt didn't want to stamp Smith and Wesson on their stuff.
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I wonder how many different headstamps have appeared on Remington .280 cartridges?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 21, 2020 07:30 PM (AytXr)

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37 34 That double sided reloading bench is cool, the addition of castors makes it over the top cool!
Posted by: Nevada Dave at June 21, 2020 07:26 PM (3DzQz)
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One thing I'd add would be a Price is Right hottie to spin it around as needed.

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 07:31 PM (MVjcR)

43 38 Bob, try Remington Managed Recoil in 12 buck. Also, for home defense, look into #4 buck (not #4 shot).

Posted by: bill in arkansas at June 21, 2020 07:31 PM (C1Lsn)

44 I kept looking at those pictures and thinking, oh no my wife is giving me directions again,

Posted by: Rancherbob at June 21, 2020 07:31 PM (gtu9W)

45 44 I kept looking at those pictures and thinking, oh no my wife is giving me directions again,
Posted by: Rancherbob at June 21, 2020 07:31 PM (gtu9W)
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Howdy Rancherbob!!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 07:32 PM (MVjcR)

46 Thinking 20 guage so Heidi can handle easily then
read 12 because of weight can have less recoil and they have light loads
in 00? Man I get confused when reading about loads and grain weight
even for our pistols. Ugh. Heavier round, velocity....

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 21, 2020 07:28 PM (XEfKE)

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Go with 20 gauge and see if they have an integral pad on the stock.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 07:32 PM (cfSRQ)

47 If home, home was a range
I'd be shooting all day
Seldom would be heard
The cease fire word
And the skys would be smokey all day

Won't be replacing Muldoon anytime soon

Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2020 07:33 PM (6f16T)

48 31>> True.

I have the S&W E-Z in 380... purchased for my wife who didn't like it. It's a better shooting 380 than, say, a Taurus Spectrum or Ruger LCP. Both of which I own, and consider "disposable."

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Civilly Disobedient at June 21, 2020 07:33 PM (3H9h1)

49 Hello Weasel, missed you last week.

Posted by: Rancherbob at June 21, 2020 07:33 PM (gtu9W)

50 We heah all in on AK. Three so far, and some pretty cool AK Operators Union Local 47 74 T shirts as well. Damn do they trigger snowflakes down in west palm beach

Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at June 21, 2020 07:34 PM (Jj+59)

51 I hope this brave little old lady gets her pistol back.
88 year old liquor store owner shoots shoplifter.

https://tinyurl.com/ybzgyre9

Posted by: navybrat, waiting by the door with a 2 x 4 at June 21, 2020 07:34 PM (w7KSn)

52 38 Bob, try Remington Managed Recoil in 12 buck. Also, for home defense, look into #4 buck (not #4 shot).

Posted by: bill in arkansas at June 21, 2020 07:31 PM (C1Lsn)

Thank you. All help welcome. I also need to get knowledge on brands they had Remington 00 and "something" estate. Bought Rem but dont want to pass up savings if I can. On ammo seek I just glaze over at the brand's.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 21, 2020 07:34 PM (XEfKE)

53 NO ONE NEEDS MORE THAN 10 CALIBUHS TO KILL A DEAH!

Posted by: Governor Silver Nipples at June 21, 2020 07:34 PM (jnbqU)

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49 Hello Weasel, missed you last week.
Posted by: Rancherbob at June 21, 2020 07:33 PM (gtu9W)
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Aw, man! I could have come down! Ben Had and I are working on a summer visit.

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 07:35 PM (MVjcR)

55 Go with 20 gauge and see if they have an integral pad on the stock.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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I'm with this. I hunted both 20 & 12's for years, sundry loads, including buck. The 20 will do the job (easily) and will be more manageable. Fairly light loads are fine for home defense...even Joe Biden's front door.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 21, 2020 07:35 PM (AytXr)

56 38 46 If you go with a 20 gauge, look at Mossbergs yute model. 22" vent rib, choke tubes, recoil pad. Good looking little shotgun, and they have a combo pack with a rifled slug barrel.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at June 21, 2020 07:36 PM (C1Lsn)

57 --
Go with 20 gauge and see if they have an integral pad on the stock.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 07:32 PM (cfSRQ)

Thanks much.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 21, 2020 07:36 PM (XEfKE)

58 53
NO ONE NEEDS MORE THAN 10 CALIBUHS TO KILL A DEAH!

Posted by: Governor Silver Nipples at June 21, 2020 07:34 PM (jnbqU)

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That reminds me of Hunter S. Thompson's "Raoul Duke" persona, which tried to be a gun nut, but was generally clueless.

I know Thompson owned guns, but he was such an asshole as to give gun owners a bad name.

And of course he shot himself.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 07:37 PM (cfSRQ)

59 Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at June 21, 2020 07:34 PM (Jj+59)

I have one of those. Unfortunately I live in Cajun country and nobody is triggered.

Posted by: Vanya at June 21, 2020 07:37 PM (BAsqb)

60 We heah all in on AK. Three so far, and some pretty cool AK Operators Union Local 47 74 T shirts as well. Damn do they trigger snowflakes down in west palm beach
Posted by: Asscheeks
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I have never actually spoken to anyone who owns, or has fired an AK-74.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 21, 2020 07:37 PM (AytXr)

61 Come on anytime.

Posted by: Rancherbob at June 21, 2020 07:37 PM (gtu9W)

62 I gotta go make dinner, but I wanted to thank Weasel for his wise advice to buy ammo. I finally did that this week. The sales staff told me they have to hustle to keep stocked these days.

Posted by: Emmie at June 21, 2020 07:38 PM (clsJu)

63 Another measuring thing: Before, I did my seating depth tests rather arbitrarily - start with factory and go both directions in .003 increments until I found a great depth
Now, I'm going to go up to the lands and work backwards (just like Weasel's Pix) in .003 increments. More to shift over to measuring from different points; I think it will be the same depth, but just measured differently and more consistently.

Posted by: RI Red at June 21, 2020 07:38 PM (5qvy2)

64 If you go with a 20 gauge, look at Mossbergs yute
model. 22" vent rib, choke tubes, recoil pad. Good looking little
shotgun, and they have a combo pack with a rifled slug barrel.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at June 21, 2020 07:36 PM (C1Lsn)
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Yes, absolutely get the "youth model." Excellent advice.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 07:38 PM (cfSRQ)

65 Got a sweet score at Kittery Trading Post a couple weeks back. A Euroarms repro of an 1853 Enfield three band rifle-musket, in VERY good condition, for the princely sum of $300. I've never seen them less than $600 online. Even came with a sling and bayonet.

The reason for the low price is that the previous owner had cut the barrel one inch (probably because of a worn muzzle is my guess). It's a pro job, even and crowned, and you can't tell unless you lay it next to an uncut example.

So now I have a Civil War caplock. Cool cool cool.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at June 21, 2020 07:38 PM (j4zcI)

66 61 Come on anytime.
Posted by: Rancherbob at June 21, 2020 07:37 PM (gtu9W)
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Thanks! I hope to make it once before the MoMe.

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 07:39 PM (MVjcR)

67 Rancherbob, How's the weekend after the next show look?

Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2020 07:39 PM (aydHY)

68 Good evening, everyone. That was a nice precis for cartridge nomenclaure. The thing to remember is that cartridge names are a mishmash of terms and mesurements cobbled together over a couple of centuries, some in English, some in metric, some based on the case OD dimensions and some on the bullet diameter. Then throw in some ignorant marketing types.

The results are 'interesting'.

Posted by: JTB at June 21, 2020 07:41 PM (7EjX1)

69 62 I gotta go make dinner, but I wanted to thank Weasel for his wise advice to buy ammo. I finally did that this week. The sales staff told me they have to hustle to keep stocked these days.
Posted by: Emmie at June 21, 2020 07:38 PM (clsJu)
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Good for you!!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 07:41 PM (MVjcR)

70 Yay!! Gun thread day!! Howdy weasel, howdy my fellow gun cranks...
No shooting this week, but as always hopeful for the next trip.
Working a little of a pair of piece of junk pistols I inherited from my Dad. (Happy Fathers Day to all by the way)
One is an H and R 922 that someone tried to engrave. Talk about NO talent... I have replaced all the missing parts except the trigger spring. The one I have is a mirror image of what is supposed to be there. I ordered the correct replacement from Numrich
The other is (I think) an Iver Johnson American Bulldog , a 5 shot in 38 S and W. It would not cock, or half cock even. I disassembled that and found someone long ago had ground the sear down...Not a smart move. This is a cheeap crap POS pistol, but it is a first version, so pre 1880. Parts are on order for this too..
Mr USPS will no doubt show up sooner or later, and I will see if I can get them to work again.
All the gun news from my spot in the nations capital...

Posted by: Jesse in DC at June 21, 2020 07:41 PM (ouR/N)

71 For all you Garanders, the latest American Rifleman (June/July '20) has a page and a half on a few items that, according to the title, will "Modernize The M1Garand To Maximize Its Use" on pgs 40-41.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 21, 2020 07:41 PM (DMUuz)

72 Thanks for the gun thread Weasel!

Posted by: DBCooper at June 21, 2020 07:41 PM (y1Mvi)

73 Another exemplary gun thread Weasel. Thanks a ton!

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 21, 2020 07:41 PM (eJn7u)

74 Should be good.

Posted by: Rancherbob at June 21, 2020 07:42 PM (gtu9W)

75 Posted by: DBCooper at June 21, 2020 07:41 PM (y1Mvi)
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Happy to do it, man.

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 07:42 PM (MVjcR)

76 Nice work Xipe! and good shooting Scuba Dude!

This week was Russian week, as in Mosins ala 7.62X54R.
First up was the Mosin 91/30. Shooting surplus Russian, surplus Czech and new Sellier & Bellot ammo. She shot well out to 400 yards, but after that the surplus Russian took a dive and I had to adjust for the 500 and 600 yard targets to 600 and 700 meters on the rifle. Same with the Sellier & Bellot. The Czech ammo was the best as I could hit the 500-600 with the proper settings on the rear sight.

Next up was the Mosin M44 Carbine. A beast. Damn thing kicks like a mule. She did fine out to 350 yards but after that I just could not get any hits on the steel from 400-500-600 even though I could see the splashes all around the target. Oh well.

Rapid fire offhand with both out to 150 yards gave you about a 50% hit rate but both ran well thru 20 rounds each with 5 round stripper clip reloads.

Overall, the Mosins are clunky bolt action rifles but damn fun to shoot and reasonably accurate. By the time I was done shooting a couple hundred rounds I felt like I had been run over by a dump truck as they will work you running that bolt over and over. All the surplus ammo is corrosive so I run hot water thru the barrel and then clean as usual when done shooting.

The 91/30 was made mid war in 1943 and the M44 was made in 1945. Simple, robust and still shooting after 70 plus years speaks for itself.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 21, 2020 07:42 PM (Z+IKu)

77 73 Another exemplary gun thread Weasel. Thanks a ton!
Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 21, 2020 07:41 PM (eJn7u)
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Thanks Xipe!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 07:43 PM (MVjcR)

78 Hunter and his neighbor shooting at each other:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHeSC_Ws5Ic

Posted by: Governor Silver Nipples at June 21, 2020 07:43 PM (jnbqU)

79 The reason for the low price is that the previous
owner had cut the barrel one inch (probably because of a worn muzzle is
my guess). It's a pro job, even and crowned, and you can't tell unless
you lay it next to an uncut example.

So now I have a Civil War caplock. Cool cool cool.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at June 21, 2020 07:38 PM (j4zcI)

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You can get sweet deals because the collectors are so fussy about things.

Astra 300 without Nazi stamp: $400
Astra 300 with Nazi stamp: $1,200

Yeah, I'll pass on having a gen-u-ine Hitler gun.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 07:43 PM (cfSRQ)

80 Rancherbob, I'll call you tomorrow.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2020 07:43 PM (aydHY)

81 68 I always use the example of the 250/3000 Savage to cover everything you mentioned. It a .257, but it was easier to call it a .250, it zooms along at 3000 fps, and Savage introduced it. It's also the reason we have the 22/250.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at June 21, 2020 07:44 PM (C1Lsn)

82 4 If you go with a 20 gauge, look at Mossbergs yute
model. 22" vent rib, choke tubes, recoil pad. Good looking little
shotgun, and they have a combo pack with a rifled slug barrel.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at June 21, 2020 07:36 PM (C1Lsn)
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Yes, absolutely get the "youth model." Excellent advice.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 07:38 PM (cfSRQ)

Are we talking for home defense?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 21, 2020 07:45 PM (XEfKE)

83 I wonder how many different headstamps have appeared on Remington .280 cartridges?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 21, 2020 07:30 PM

The .280 Remington AI (Ackley Improved) is a shoulder above the rest.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 21, 2020 07:45 PM (DMUuz)

84 sounds good.

Posted by: Rancherbob at June 21, 2020 07:47 PM (gtu9W)

85 Are we talking for home defense?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 21, 2020 07:45 PM (XEfKE)

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Yes. "Youth models" have shorter stocks, which generally fit women better. They also can come with integral recoil pads in the butt, which is also more comfortable.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 07:48 PM (cfSRQ)

86 Kel Tec? May get their sub2000 9mm. Glock mags. I have a few.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 21, 2020 07:48 PM (XEfKE)

87 Are we talking for home defense?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 21, 2020 07:45 PM

No impact to HD usage.

Basically, the youth model has a shorter length of pull. Translated, its buttstock is shorter. You can add a Limbsaver recoil pad if needed.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 21, 2020 07:48 PM (DMUuz)

88 Totally love the reloading bench framework. I'm cramped for space and have just barely moved into some precision shooting. At the cost of 6.5 Creedmoors, reloading is a major priority.
Also, learned more about shotgun shells in three minutes here than I had in a previous undisclosed but fairly large number of years.
Range report: tested my first purchased (my Pop gave my his .30-06 a couple of years ago) rifle, a Ruger Precision 6.5 Creedmoor with an Athlon Cronus BTR scope.
I like. I like A LOT! (Weasel, I sent a pic of my last group to the email. Use/Don't Use as you see fit. Appreciate your encouragement!)
Other range reports: took newbies to the pistol range Saturday. They are scary on safety but willing to learn. I can work with that.

Posted by: Long Running Fool at June 21, 2020 07:48 PM (RnS3H)

89 Ola, ca va? Getting a lot of questions on my last application from the cops for my licence for collectors. Got two out of three applications " approved" but getting a bit of a run around as they are now asking questions on rifles and serial numbers that they have already signed off on. Grrrr.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at June 21, 2020 07:48 PM (bgJ0E)

90 I think I mentioned last week that I want to get a bolt action rifle for 22 magnum. After looking at the used market and new offerings I'm leaning towards the Ruger American version. I rarely buy a new firearm so this was an unusual exercise.

These Rugers get very good reviews but if anyone has experience with the Ruger American rimfires, I would like to hear about it.

Posted by: JTB at June 21, 2020 07:49 PM (7EjX1)

91 I love how some Russkie ammo is sold as semi-corrosive. That is like being semi-pregnant.
When I shoot my CZ 52 I know it must be cleaned immediately. Just like my smoke poles.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 21, 2020 07:49 PM (eJn7u)

92 Cartridge nomenclature can definitely be confusing - and so is the naming of firearms. "Hatcher's Notebook" is available online for download and is a quick 650 pages

As I understand it the important thing to remember starting out, the decimal or metric size refers to the barrel, not the bullet itself.

Naming or numbering of the weapons is pretty kooky too at times - Japan for example, their rifles (and aircraft) were numbered by how many years it had been since the latest emperor had been installed, and they were on a diffefent year system. Hence "Zero" and such.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 21, 2020 07:49 PM (k8X+x)

93 Bolton has announced he's voting for Joe Biden.

Posted by: sportswithnofans at June 21, 2020 07:49 PM (Ewy6D)

94 Posted by: Long Running Fool at June 21, 2020 07:48 PM (RnS3H)
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Thanks. I'll check them out!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 07:50 PM (MVjcR)

95 I got a bunch of once fired Lake City in 762 so I'm in the process of switching out all my old tired brass with the new stuff. I may have to switch out my 556 in the next few months. I just love new brass.

Posted by: ck at June 21, 2020 07:51 PM (Gf0Po)

96 -
Yes. "Youth models" have shorter stocks, which generally fit women better. They also can come with integral recoil pads in the butt, which is also more comfortable.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 07:48 PM (cfSRQ)

Terrific, thanks. And not a dedicated tactical shotgun which I like.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 21, 2020 07:51 PM (XEfKE)

97 I hope this brave little old lady gets her pistol back.
88 year old liquor store owner shoots shoplifter.

https://tinyurl.com/ybzgyre9
Posted by: navybrat, waiting by the door with a 2 x 4 at June 21, 2020 07:34 PM (w7KSn)

Some kind-hearted person needs to anonymously give her a replacement.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 21, 2020 07:51 PM (YxuEv)

98 78
Hunter and his neighbor shooting at each other:

Posted by: Governor Silver Nipples at June 21, 2020 07:43 PM (jnbqU)

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Thompson has a Luger.

Of course. Because he was a douche.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 07:51 PM (cfSRQ)

99 92 The Italians had a squirrely system of dating firearms, using Roman Numerals. I think the start date was when Benito took over, but I am probably wrong.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at June 21, 2020 07:51 PM (C1Lsn)

100 I decided to get CCW piece and go for my CCW permit. No telling at this point where this country will be next year. My not be able to get either next year if the election goes the wrong way. Yesterday I picked up my new Taurus 605 revolver.

Posted by: DooDad at June 21, 2020 07:52 PM (SnLSx)

101 No range report, bu I really reviewed the rules here in VA on conceal carry. Reciprocal carry with MT, so, I'm not breaking that law, like I would if I went to Joisey. One thing I did not find - Is VA a "must inform" State? Say I get pulled over for going a wee bit too fast on my bike and get pulled over. My instinct would be to say, "oops Ossifer, here is my license, registration and insurance. Not get off the bike and sit there until he said to do something else. Can someone who might be a denizen of this locale put me some info?

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at June 21, 2020 07:53 PM (0ssRW)

102 You can add a Limbsaver recoil pad if needed.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 21, 2020 07:48 PM (DMUuz)

Excellent.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 21, 2020 07:53 PM (XEfKE)

103 Hunter Thompson was a serious asshole. I was NOT a fan.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 21, 2020 07:54 PM (eJn7u)

104 Mike Hammer @ 60- Never knew of anybody that owned a AK74 except the terrorist that shot the cops in Dallas in July 16 BLM peaceful protest. And then got hisself delightfully sploded to pieces by a little robot.

Posted by: Eromero at June 21, 2020 07:54 PM (XhWtx)

105 We heah all in on AK. Three so far, and some pretty cool AK Operators Union Local 47 74 T shirts as well. Damn do they trigger snowflakes down in west palm beach
Posted by: Asscheeks
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I have never actually spoken to anyone who owns, or has fired an AK-74.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 21, 2020 07:37 PM (AytXr)

Check out the Polish Tantal if you see one out and about or on the interwebs.

A Polish AK-74 that they tweaked a bit to avoid paying the license fee to the Russians and never used as they went to the 5.56mm after the Warsaw Pact went kaput.

Century and a few others brought in bunches a few years ago and you can find them here and there.

The two I have are great shooters, light recoil and very accurate.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 21, 2020 07:55 PM (Z+IKu)

106 Posted by: McGyver at June 21, 2020 07:53 PM (0ssRW)
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Last time I checked VA was NOT a must inform state, but the carry permits are tied to your car registration so in a traffic stop the cop already knows you have a permit.

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 07:55 PM (MVjcR)

107 93 my shocked face

Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2020 07:56 PM (6f16T)

108 The Italians had a squirrely system of dating
firearms, using Roman Numerals. I think the start date was when Benito
took over, but I am probably wrong.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at June 21, 2020 07:51 PM (C1Lsn)

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Yep. Year of the Fascist Era.

Proof marks are a whole 'nother story. I saw some dick trying to sell an Astra 400 as "rare, no inspection stamp."

Uh, no. My cursory survey of what was for sale found *none* of the 400s had any stamps, just serial number and manufacturer info. I believe that was because they went directly into the Army. Maybe private sale ones had the marks, but I haven't seen any and anyhow they would be much, much rarer than the ones that went to the Spanish Army.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 07:56 PM (cfSRQ)

109 Surplus ammo tip: When shooting with corrosive primer ammo, swab the bore with plain water. This will neutralize the salt corrosion left behind. Then clean the gun as usual.

I clean my black powder guns with water. It works.

Posted by: JTB at June 21, 2020 07:56 PM (7EjX1)

110 Thompson has a Luger.

Cuz' he's a player.... yo.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Civilly Disobedient at June 21, 2020 07:56 PM (3H9h1)

111 Let our damn ccw's expire cause stupid. And AZ doesn't matter. Now have to reapply cause want to hit the road.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 21, 2020 07:58 PM (XEfKE)

112 Posted by: DooDad at June 21, 2020 07:52 PM (SnLSx)
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Congratulations and welcome to the Gun Thread!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 07:58 PM (MVjcR)

113 Ay yi yi bang bang!

Posted by: James Earl Jones at June 21, 2020 07:58 PM (oVJmc)

114 I have never actually spoken to anyone who owns, or has fired an AK-74.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 21, 2020 07:37 PM (AytXr)

Reply to this comment and you will have.

Posted by: Vanya at June 21, 2020 07:59 PM (BAsqb)

115 [i[100 I decided to get CCW piece and go for my CCW permit. No telling at this point where this country will be next year. My not be able to get either next year if the election goes the wrong way. Yesterday I picked up my new Taurus 605 revolver.
Good for you!

Posted by: Long Running Fool at June 21, 2020 08:00 PM (RnS3H)

116 Thompson has a Luger.

Cuz' he's a player.... yo.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Civilly Disobedient at June 21, 2020 07:56 PM (3H9h1)

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It doesn't surprise me. He loved playing up the "Amerikkka" crap so running around with a Nazi gun probably helped him get his rocks off.

I thought he was pretty cool when I found him as a teenager, unfortunately he stalled out around 1973 and became a career drug addict and drunk.

Feel bad for his kid.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 08:01 PM (cfSRQ)

117 101 106 Arkansas is a must notify state, but your chcl is tied into your license. You don't even send a photo with the application, as they just use your file dl photo. Anyway, I was over in Texas a few years ago, and the cops had the cones set up, pulling people over. When the dps trooper got to me, I handed him my dl, registration, insurance, and chcl, and proceeded to tell him it was my duty to inform him I had a gun in the car. He smiled and said "Sir, this is Texas and we kind of expect that". Seemed two guys had got sick of jail and took a hike.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at June 21, 2020 08:03 PM (C1Lsn)

118 ---
Last time I checked VA was NOT a must inform state, but the carry permits are tied to your car registration so in a traffic stop the cop already knows you have a permit.
Posted by: Weasel

I put our car registrations in wife's name for this reason.

Posted by: Jean at June 21, 2020 08:04 PM (ERagJ)

119 Posted by: bill in arkansas at June 21, 2020 08:03 PM (C1Lsn)
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Love it.

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 08:04 PM (MVjcR)

120 Cannibal Bob...... I assume from your comments you are in AZ......south, central or north, if I may ask...Jasonj

Posted by: jasonj at June 21, 2020 08:04 PM (qSQLQ)

121 This is killing me. I have perfecto shoulder bumped brass, trimmed and primed and just waiting. My bullet jump to land measuring tool will be in tomorrow.
I think it's akin to blue balls . . .

Posted by: RI Red at June 21, 2020 08:05 PM (5qvy2)

122 101 No range report, bu I really reviewed the rules here in VA on conceal carry. Reciprocal carry with MT, so, I'm not breaking that law, like I would if I went to Joisey. One thing I did not find - Is VA a "must inform" State? Say I get pulled over for going a wee bit too fast on my bike and get pulled over. My instinct would be to say, "oops Ossifer, here is my license, registration and insurance. Not get off the bike and sit there until he said to do something else. Can someone who might be a denizen of this locale put me some info?

McGyver, [i/i]
https://www.vsp.virginia.gov/Firearms.shtm#FAQ
See the link above. I don't think you do have to declare in VA. I don't need to in ID, but do in WA.
I should probably move from WA. It's a little ---wacked.

Posted by: Long Running Fool at June 21, 2020 08:05 PM (RnS3H)

123 Uh, no. My cursory survey of what was for sale found *none* of the 400s had any stamps, just serial number and manufacturer info. I believe that was because they went directly into the Army. Maybe private sale ones had the marks, but I haven't seen any and anyhow they would be much, much rarer than the ones that went to the Spanish Army.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 07:56 PM (cfSRQ)

Correct on both counts! The Eyeties would date a rifle "1938" and put a "XVI" for the 16th year of old Benito's rule, starting in 1922.

The Astra 400s did not get any marks till after 1928 or there abouts and one I have from 1923? has none while another from the late 20's has a mark like the Mercedes Benz symbol in front of the trigger guard.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 21, 2020 08:05 PM (Z+IKu)

124 I have never actually spoken to anyone who owns, or has fired an AK-74.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 21, 2020 07:37 PM (AytXr)

Reply to this comment and you will have.
Posted by: Vanya

And now you know a whole bunch of folks ...

Posted by: Jean at June 21, 2020 08:06 PM (ERagJ)

125 Rancherbob. will you tell the story about the recent marriage proposal?

Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2020 08:06 PM (aydHY)

126 Weasel "...the carry permits are tied to your car registration so in a traffic stop the cop already knows you have a permit." Mine is MT, so not tied to vehicle, also MT plates. I'll assume (yeah, I know) that Mr. Police Officer should be informed.

And nice gub thread, Weasel

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at June 21, 2020 08:07 PM (0ssRW)

127 121 This is killing me. I have perfecto shoulder bumped brass, trimmed and primed and just waiting. My bullet jump to land measuring tool will be in tomorrow.
I think it's akin to blue balls . . .
Posted by: RI Red at June 21, 2020 08:05 PM (5qvy2)
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You may want to also consider making and saving a dummy round with your final jump seating depth for future reference. In my experience, an overbore cartridge will cause .001" of throat erosion for every 100 rounds. Something to keep an eye on.

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 08:09 PM (MVjcR)

128 A bit off topic here, but proud to be alive today. Spent 4 hours in ER yesterday with 213/127 BP and chest pains. Got the nitro patch and the super serious BP meds iv, and 2 or 3 EKGs. Did not work today because not my usual self, hope to get in to see cardiologist tomorrow. Celebrated my resurrection by buying Mrs. E some new (used) gunleather for her GP100.

Posted by: Eromero at June 21, 2020 08:10 PM (XhWtx)

129 Posted by: McGyver at June 21, 2020 08:07 PM (0ssRW)
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Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 08:10 PM (MVjcR)

130 Posted by: Eromero at June 21, 2020 08:10 PM (XhWtx)
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Damn, brother. Take care of yourself!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 08:12 PM (MVjcR)

131 Xipe Topec, did Mrs. Topec make that lovely quilt?

(I know that's not the point of those pictures, and the gun is awesome. But so is the quilt!)

Posted by: bluebell at June 21, 2020 08:12 PM (/669Q)

132 >>Bolton has announced he's voting for Joe Biden.
Posted by: sportswithnofans

I'm sucking Obama's dick too!

Posted by: John Bolton at June 21, 2020 08:12 PM (0FTCx)

133 Eromero, Prayers, Brother.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2020 08:13 PM (aydHY)

134 try these slip on recoil pads... they're awesomely effective.

amazon Link

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8y3tq7m

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 21, 2020 08:13 PM (GOr5y)

135 Loved the Jerry Michulek video. I saw it a few weeks ago. I hadn't heard the term 'duffle cut' since I was young. We had a fair number of WW II vets still on active duty at the navy base. They had some colorful terms for things.

Posted by: JTB at June 21, 2020 08:14 PM (7EjX1)

136 I'm sucking Obama's dick too!

Posted by: John Bolton at June 21, 2020 08:12 PM (0FTCx)

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I'm sure they love getting the warmonger endorsement.

Remember the Peace Movement? Me neither.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 08:14 PM (cfSRQ)

137 No range report, for now, as my wife and I are enjoying coastal CA.

However, I did bring along the M1 and intend to shoot it at the SLOSA range tomorrow.

Ah, the joys of retirement.

Next Friday should see the 686 taken out for a spin. After that, no shooting until Steel Challenge and IDPA.

Fun thread, as per usual, Weasel!

Posted by: blake - goin mobile at June 21, 2020 08:15 PM (UAsDJ)

138 Posted by: blake - goin mobile at June 21, 2020 08:15 PM (UAsDJ)
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Thanks blake!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 08:16 PM (MVjcR)

139 Glad you're still with us, Eromero !

Posted by: the_sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at June 21, 2020 08:16 PM (0IMgo)

140 That reloading setup is great. But how do you find anything when it is so well organized?

Posted by: JTB at June 21, 2020 08:16 PM (7EjX1)

141 Definitely, Weasel. My round count has been slow and steady, but I am now thinking about throat erosion. Sorta like Debby Does Deprime.

Posted by: RI Red at June 21, 2020 08:16 PM (5qvy2)

142 141 Definitely, Weasel. My round count has been slow and steady, but I am now thinking about throat erosion. Sorta like Debby Does Deprime.
Posted by: RI Red at June 21, 2020 08:16 PM (5qvy2)
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TE is a silent accuracy killer.

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 08:18 PM (MVjcR)

143 140 That reloading setup is great. But how do you find anything when it is so well organized?
Posted by: JTB at June 21, 2020 08:16 PM (7EjX1)
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No kidding!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 08:18 PM (MVjcR)

144 Got the nitro patch

Posted by: Eromero at June 21, 2020 08:10 PM (XhWtx)

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When I had my Cardiac Event, they slipped one of those and it dropped my BP like a rock.

It was weird, hovering on the brink of passing out but not quite getting there.

Hopefully yours was like mine - virus and overexertion, no lasting effects.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 08:19 PM (cfSRQ)

145 Xipe Totec, that hand-made rifle is amazing.

I'd love to see more details about the design, maybe some close-up photos from various angles with the action open. Maybe some discussion of clearances, tolerances, machining methods. This really deserves a post of its own.

O-1 tool steel surprises me. Isn't that a bit of overkill, and somewhat brittle, for parts like that? I would have guessed case-hardened 4140 or something like that.

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 21, 2020 08:20 PM (sgHEm)

146 Bought a Springfield XD-S .45 ACP today.

Got lucky and Academy Sports got a truck in last night with 8 of them on it and some .45acp ammo. Tried to buy one yesterday but there were literally two dozen people at the gun counter and I couldn't get close and almost everything had sold out by noon.

$50 off MSRP on sale and another $50 off for Military discount. Walked out with it for $489 with tax.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 21, 2020 08:20 PM (JUOKG)

147 Okay, not going to copy and paste from phone. It appears my phone wishes to embarrel me.

Posted by: blake - goin mobile at June 21, 2020 08:20 PM (UAsDJ)

148 Scuba dude,
You met CBD in real life and he let you live to tell about it??? Wow!!!
I met him a while back, made him move his car out of my way...twice. I was lucky to survive the encounter.

Posted by: lin-duh en fugue at June 21, 2020 08:21 PM (UUBmN)

149 Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 21, 2020 08:20 PM (JUOKG)
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Congratulations! Everyone I know who has an XD loves it.

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 08:21 PM (MVjcR)

150 Okay, not going to copy and paste from phone. It appears my phone wishes to embarrel me.

Posted by: blake - goin mobile at June 21, 2020 08:20 PM (UAsDJ)

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Come to me.

It is your destiny.

Posted by: The Barrel at June 21, 2020 08:22 PM (cfSRQ)

151 BTW, any one have a great bore viewer and app? I'd like to actually see what's goin' on, what's goin' on.

Posted by: RI Red at June 21, 2020 08:22 PM (5qvy2)

152 is this for real?
mask war in a walmart

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/
1274852144810733574

Posted by: vmom 2020 at June 21, 2020 08:22 PM (WwTwF)

153 Yeah, I don't get that organized reloading bench at all. No sense of adventure, obviously, because there appears to be little chance of mixing pistol and rifle powder.

Posted by: blake - goin mobile at June 21, 2020 08:23 PM (UAsDJ)

154 Eromero,
They let you out? So not a heart attack? I know that's scary stuff from personal experience unfortunately. Praying for you!

Posted by: lin-duh en fugue at June 21, 2020 08:23 PM (UUBmN)

155 Thanks for all the prayers, good people. I'm less that 10 minutes from one of the best heart hospitals in Texas. Mrs. E's got this handled. She'll have my ass back at work pdq.

Posted by: Eromero at June 21, 2020 08:24 PM (XhWtx)

156 There are some dark rumors about HST, that he was involved in some really super shady stuff, snuff films and such. Don't know how such things get started.

Almost kinda bought a Luger once. Guy needed the money, it was pre-Schicklegruber so no Not See markings. I think it was 1918, and in decent shape. The price was right, but I couldn't bring myself to buy it. Still a lot of baggage. They are cool though, and natural pointers. Just not too high on the priority list at the time. I didn't "need" a Luger. I imagine the price has accelerated some, though I'm not sure.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 21, 2020 08:24 PM (k8X+x)

157 151 BTW, any one have a great bore viewer and app? I'd like to actually see what's goin' on, what's goin' on.
Posted by: RI Red at June 21, 2020 08:22 PM (5qvy2)
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Hopefully someone will chime in as they are discussed here in the comments from time to time. It's a great tool to have.

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 08:24 PM (MVjcR)

158 Alas, no range time this week. I has a sadz.

But I do have the best Gun Thread on the 'net up on my screen, and all is well with the world.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 21, 2020 08:24 PM (QzJWU)

159 ThanX! Everyone for all the links etc for VA. And Eromero, damn, take it easy. Long Running Fool, had to move to VA from MT for a bit,chasing the almighty dollar. Grew up in ID, lotta fam in north coastal WA. Yeah, whacked

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at June 21, 2020 08:25 PM (0ssRW)

160 Since the revolver thing has died down a bit, I'm going to stir the pot a little bit by noting that during my post-range gun cleaning, the revolver was BY Far the fastest and easiest one to clean.

Oh, and no disassembly, just open the cylinder. I'd say it took half as long as any of the others.

Another nice point: no worries about picking up loose brass. Whether at a public range or private one, cleaning up brass is a pain. With the revolver, just dump it into your case or the can or whatever and reload.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 08:25 PM (cfSRQ)

161 Eromero
Take care of yourself.
Been there without the heart stuff.
Anxiety attack. It was no bueno.

Posted by: Winston, dreg of society at June 21, 2020 08:27 PM (d9Irc)

162 I'm voting for Biden too. He's the logical choice. Kind of like 9 vs 45.

Posted by: f'd at June 21, 2020 08:27 PM (szYH2)

163 But I do have the best Gun Thread on the 'net up on my screen, and all is well with the world.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at June 21, 2020 08:24 PM (QzJWU)
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Link?

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 08:28 PM (MVjcR)

164 Xipe, that's the purtiest M-44 I've ever seen.

Though in one of the original laminated stocks and in unissued condition, they can be very nice looking indeed.

Where'd you get the turn-down bolt handle?

Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2020 08:28 PM (El6T/)

165 155 Thanks for all the prayers, good people. I'm less that 10 minutes from one of the best heart hospitals in Texas. Mrs. E's got this handled. She'll have my ass back at work pdq.
Posted by: Eromero at June 21, 2020 08:24 PM (XhWtx)
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You obviously don't have a large enough life insurance policy, if Mrs. E is making sure you survive.

Seriously, though, please take care of yourself.

Posted by: blake - goin mobile at June 21, 2020 08:29 PM (UAsDJ)

166 woot, guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 21, 2020 08:29 PM (d1uFV)

167 Glad you dodged the big one, Eromero. And Mrs. E is obviously your secret longevity resource. Glad the team is still moving forward.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 21, 2020 08:30 PM (u82oZ)

168 waepnedman, outstanding improvisation on the reloading set-up.

If you're a member, be sure to post that one on the "Show us a picture of your reloading bench" thread on the The High Road. Classic. And many may find it directly useful for their situation.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2020 08:30 PM (El6T/)

169 Eromero, no slacking. We need you.

Posted by: RI Red at June 21, 2020 08:30 PM (5qvy2)

170 Hey gang! Happy Fathers Day! I had an absolutely fantastic day with the kids. It really was terrific, and now I am one tired puppy!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 21, 2020 08:30 PM (NWiLs)

171 Well, in fairness to Bolton, Trump hasn't started any new wars and seems relatively unenthusiastic about our existing ones. So I can see how Trump would be unacceptable to a warmonger.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 21, 2020 08:31 PM (H5knJ)

172 Eromero.. dammit, Cowboy, don't you dare go AWOL on us now, y'heah?

I far prefer to visit with you live and in person. I'm really not a s�ance kinda guy.

*slides bourbon across the table to Eromero*

It ain't prescription. But it's medicine, as often as not.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 21, 2020 08:31 PM (QzJWU)

173 There are some dark rumors about HST, that he was
involved in some really super shady stuff, snuff films and such. Don't
know how such things get started.

Almost kinda bought a Luger once. Guy needed the money, it
was pre-Schicklegruber so no Not See markings. I think it was 1918, and
in decent shape. The price was right, but I couldn't bring myself to buy
it. Still a lot of baggage. They are cool though, and natural pointers.
Just not too high on the priority list at the time. I didn't "need" a
Luger. I imagine the price has accelerated some, though I'm not sure.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 21, 2020 08:24 PM (k8X+x)

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Thompson was a legend in his own mind. I wouldn't be surprised if he spread the rumors himself to make him seem more edgy.

The best take I saw on him was that he was promising, wrote some decent stuff and then got into drugs and it pretty much shut him down. He had the early fame from Hell's Angels and Fear and Loathing, but couldn't meet a deadline, couldn't string a sentence together so had to come up with shtick to keep the dough flowing.

I had a similar Luger story, except I bought mine as a part of a lot. I was underwhelmed and didn't find it to be 'all that.' I sold it at a very modest profit.

It never ran well, the toggle lock was a pain to disassemble and clean, and I just didn't feel attached to it. I don't miss it.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 08:31 PM (cfSRQ)

174 170 Hey gang! Happy Fathers Day! I had an absolutely fantastic day with the kids. It really was terrific, and now I am one tired puppy!
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 21, 2020 08:30 PM (NWiLs)
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Nice, man!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 08:31 PM (MVjcR)

175 At the range yesterday did some cross-body shooting, simulating shooting while seated in a car.

At short range, yeah, still do able.

Had a pretty darn good group to end the session, putting 40 rounds into the 10 ring at 7 yards. Not Weasel-level shooting but made me happy.

All shooting done with my CZ P-07 except....I did bring my Ruger Vaquero in .44 magnum for the Nurse to try. That gun lets you know its here.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 21, 2020 08:31 PM (d1uFV)

176 I AM IN the market for a .45ACP ( I used to have a Colt Government Model) so I went shopping yesterday.

1st place was disappointing. Very oddball selection of guns- lots of old revolvers, small 9mm, etc. No Colt, Glock, Springfield. And this has been my go-to place for years.

2nd place- NO ADMITTANCE w/o mask. I have another place to try this week.

ANYWAY I've done some research online and I think this gun might do:

https://tinyurl.com/sw-1911

Posted by: DB- just DB at June 21, 2020 08:31 PM (iTXRQ)

177 170 Hey gang! Happy Fathers Day! I had an absolutely fantastic day with the kids. It really was terrific, and now I am one tired puppy!
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 21, 2020 08:30 PM (NWiLs)
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Great news!

Posted by: blake - goin mobile at June 21, 2020 08:32 PM (UAsDJ)

178 Range time this week was duty day as an RO, and for the 2nd month in a row, a record level of business.

I didn't notice any obviously new gun-owners or shooters. One can tell from guns and behavior. Wide variety of guns.

So I think it's still a combo of cabin-fever, not shooting for a few months, and weird schedules/time off.

Got a Navy crew in from the USS Tulsa, doing their handgun qualifications. It's an LCS - so their handguns might be the most dangerous thing the ship brings to the party (just kidding!).

Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2020 08:33 PM (El6T/)

179 FYI:

A "pound" (weight or "mass" in England, I think, not sure) was originally defined as 7,000 plump grains of wheat.

That is a pretty accurate way of defining a pound. 7,000 units takes care of minor variances in each grain. And everybody knew what wheat was. So a standard was born.

And today, we still weigh bullets and powder in "grains."

And there are 7,000 grains in a pound of powder.

Posted by: Dan at June 21, 2020 08:33 PM (+NG5U)

180 160 ... A. H. Lloyd,

Correct! Just a few of the MANY reasons why revolvers are superior weapons that best express the true genius of mankind.

Like heavier than air flight, semi-auto pistols are a passing fad.

Posted by: JTB at June 21, 2020 08:33 PM (7EjX1)

181 I have an xd-m 40, it's great to shoot!

Posted by: Rancherbob at June 21, 2020 08:34 PM (gtu9W)

182 Hey gang! Happy Fathers Day! I had an absolutely
fantastic day with the kids. It really was terrific, and now I am one
tired puppy!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at June 21, 2020 08:30 PM (NWiLs)

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Good for you!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 08:34 PM (cfSRQ)

183 Winston, an anxiety attack is just as real as a for sure medical problem. I have handled more that a few of those over the years. Not in a medical way though.

Posted by: Eromero at June 21, 2020 08:34 PM (XhWtx)

184 Was so damn busy at the range ("who opened the gate? WTF are all these customers doing here?") I barely got to pull any triggers, again.

Did bring along the home-defense shotgun ammo for a re-familiarization (been a long time). Mossberg 500 with the 18.5 barrel on it, Hornady reduced recoil LE buckshot, Royal Star reduced recoil slugs. Wow. Game-stoppers for sure, and easy to use.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2020 08:35 PM (El6T/)

185 Anyone ever get ripped off buying a gun on ARMSLIST? The website sent me a fraud alert warning today, and I'm in the process of attempting to get my money back (Contacted my bank, they initiated a fraud investigation). Looking back, there were plenty of warning signs, but the sellers FFL number checked out. Problem is, whomever the POS that's behind this scam likely stole an actual FFL holder's identity. I will never purchase a firearm of a private individual again unless we can meet in person. Lesson learned.

Posted by: PacosMojo at June 21, 2020 08:35 PM (m5Tlg)

186 Did not get to the range this week but planning to next week. NRA HQ range is now open.

Having laid in guns and ammo just before the zombie apocalypse hit (good timing if I must say so myself), have been moving into additional prepping. Reinventorying and restocking the bug out bags. Acquiring body armor. Seemed like maybe not a bad idea. And, additional mags.

Jinkies, some mags are painfully expensive.

Posted by: commenter, snarky, 1 each at June 21, 2020 08:36 PM (ZfRYq)

187 Correct! Just a few of the MANY reasons why revolvers are superior weapons that best express the true genius of mankind.

Like heavier than air flight, semi-auto pistols are a passing fad.

Posted by: JTB at June 21, 2020 08:33 PM (7EjX1)

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They have their advantages. I embrace the healing power of "and" when it comes to firearms. Revolvers *and* semi-autos.

No Glocks though. I hate them.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 08:36 PM (cfSRQ)

188 Dan, cool - going to be smarter tonight. Wondered where the 7K grains/lb came from. I used my beam scale to mix up some chlorine cleaning solution back at the beginning of the WuFlu, from calcium hypochlorite. Had to go from metric to grains, then weigh using my powder scale.

Reloading for the win, again.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2020 08:37 PM (El6T/)

189 Posted by: commenter, snarky, 1 each at June 21, 2020 08:36 PM (ZfRYq)
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Howdy and welcome to the Gun Thread! We must be neighbors!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 08:37 PM (MVjcR)

190 And there are 7,000 grains in a pound of powder.
Posted by: Dan at June 21, 2020 08:33 PM (+NG5U)
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I learned that years ago, when I used my powder scale for my side business: Selling hash.

Don't look at me like that. It was mumble mumble decades ago.

Posted by: blake - goin mobile at June 21, 2020 08:37 PM (UAsDJ)

191 I have a friend who is a fairly famous writer who knew HST back in the day. The amount of drugs they did together was astonishing.

Posted by: commenter, snarky, 1 each at June 21, 2020 08:38 PM (ZfRYq)

192 ..Link?

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 08:28 PM (MVjcR)

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=wiseacre/weaseldog>weasel

/snrk!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 21, 2020 08:38 PM (QzJWU)

193 Posted by: Jim at June 21, 2020 08:38 PM (QzJWU)
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Thanks pal!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 08:39 PM (MVjcR)

194 I'm old school. I measure muzzle velocity in furlongs per cock-crow.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 08:40 PM (cfSRQ)

195 I have a friend who is a fairly famous writer who
knew HST back in the day. The amount of drugs they did together was
astonishing.

Posted by: commenter, snarky, 1 each at June 21, 2020 08:38 PM (ZfRYq)

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Which is sad.

What do the drugs do? Obviously they didn't make Thompson a better writer, more fun to be around, or a better person.

Instead he became a burnout trying to regain his former hip glory until his self-loathing got the better of him.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 08:42 PM (cfSRQ)

196 I think it would be exceedingly wise to invest heavily in Rooftop Xipe Totec.

For The Burning Times.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 21, 2020 08:42 PM (Vt61E)

197 ..Thanks pal!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 08:39 PM (MVjcR)

*pats Weaseldog on head*

Who's a good doggie? Who's a GOOD doggie!?

*hands Weaseldog doggie treat*

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 21, 2020 08:43 PM (QzJWU)

198 So NPR is trying to make another Charlottesville.

A group of thugs surrounded a car , tried to pull the woman out, and then when one of them pulled a gun she floored it, hitting a thug.

NPR described this as "far right extremists targeting peaceful protestors with their cars"

Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2020 08:43 PM (WdocV)

199 Thanks for the drink, Jim. Hope to see you soon.

Posted by: Eromero at June 21, 2020 08:44 PM (XhWtx)

200 Welp, the thunderstorms didn't come, so time to water the garden.

Until next week! Thanks again, Weasel!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 08:45 PM (cfSRQ)

201 I'm old school. I measure muzzle velocity in furlongs per cock-crow.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 08:40 PM

Of course. Don't all revolver aficionados?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 21, 2020 08:45 PM (DMUuz)

202 Eromero
I was inpatient for anxiety and depression.
My BP showed 300/240.
No wonder I had a headache. They put me on meds right there and a sedative.
I was much closer to normal by morning.
It was a very bad day on top of a very bad week.
Never again.

Posted by: Winston, dreg of society at June 21, 2020 08:46 PM (d9Irc)

203 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 21, 2020 08:45 PM (cfSRQ)
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My pleasure, AHL. See you next week!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 08:46 PM (MVjcR)

204 I am in the market for a feral hog eradication tool, and had made up my mind to pull the trigger on the purpose built Savage Hog Hunter, but happened upon a Sauer 100 that really caught my eye. Does anyone have any experience with one?

Posted by: Retief at June 21, 2020 08:47 PM (yBQiw)

205 Jim, I will have info for you later tomorrow.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2020 08:47 PM (aydHY)

206 did someone say "borescope"?

these are awesome, and inexpensive.

you can use your smartphone, if you have one, so it's available at the range if you need to check something there. you can snap pics, or record a video, if you want.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y7cr45bu

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 21, 2020 08:47 PM (GOr5y)

207 Posted by: Jim at June 21, 2020 08:43 PM (QzJWU)
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She's being a great big sister to her new little bro.

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 08:47 PM (MVjcR)

208 Gotta go! Time for my call to Giggles. She's been up at Rancho Plan "B" for the weekend, doing what I can't. Did I mention she graduated from the Auguste Escoffier School of Culinary Arts on Friday and is now and official "Chef"? And I'm going home for the 4th next Friday? Ahhh, back in the mountains with the creatures of the wilderness and my frau grilling cowboy steak and lobster...

ThanX! Weas, L8tR, Folks. McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at June 21, 2020 08:48 PM (0ssRW)

209 Eromero, you take care of yourself. I'll keep you in my prayers.

Posted by: bluebell at June 21, 2020 08:48 PM (/669Q)

210 Hairyback I also enjoy shooting the bejeesus out of Mosins, especially as the surplus ammo I have is incredibly cheap, and I've still got a small pile of it. I use a recoil pad, though, or there's an annoying soreness the next day.

Fingers can get mashed up if you use stripper clips and try to load rapidly (as I do when I use them in an action rifle match). I've done a bit of work to loosen the interrupters - that's what inhibits the cartridges when you're pushing them down in to the magazine - but I need to do more. I've seen interviews with Red Army vets where they just pushed them down in, effortlessly.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2020 08:48 PM (El6T/)

211 and they coil, and go into a small zippered container.

good customer service/tech support too.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 21, 2020 08:48 PM (GOr5y)

212

With all those GIs returning home with weapons the gun crime must have soared into the stratosphere in the late 40's. Or did it? I know my dad brought home a 1911 but sold it soon after when he got married. He got recalled for Korea but never left the states that time. Did Korean vets get to bring stuff home as well?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 21, 2020 08:49 PM (aKsyK)

213 ..My BP showed 300/240.
No wonder I had a headache. They put me on meds right there and a sedative.
I was much closer to normal by morning.
It was a very bad day on top of a very bad week.
Never again.

Posted by: Winston, dreg of society at June 21, 2020 08:46 PM (d9Irc)

Back in '04, when they first put me on BP meds, those were pretty much my numbers, too. Headache and all.

They only held me though for 22 hours. That way, I wasn't "admitted".

Pro-tip. You'll shoot tighter groups with the BP well controlled. Pulse going all THUMP! THUMP! in the scope is not conducive to good accuracy.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 21, 2020 08:49 PM (QzJWU)

214 Oh, we also saw the biggest lines ever at the range yesterday.

I think Civil War 2: Electric Booglaoo has people spooked

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 21, 2020 08:49 PM (d1uFV)

215 I figured out years ago what they are doing is extra-ordinarily evil. On the one hand, it is very demoralizing to people being gaslighted who don't understand what is happening. On the other, it is extremely rage-inducing to those who do. And that's rather the point, to provoke good people, who will do something that can be twisted around for further gaslighting, with the help of a corrupted "news" media, and the ambulatory turds whom have embedded themselves like ticks in government.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 21, 2020 08:50 PM (k8X+x)

216 Posted by: McGyver at June 21, 2020 08:48 PM (0ssRW)
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My pleasure. Thanks amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 08:50 PM (MVjcR)

217 I always use hot (very hot, just boiled) water down the bores of the Mosins after using the surplus ammo, followed by regular cleaning. The villain are the residues from the primers, which are hydrophilic - they attract/hold H2O. In a dry climate (like mine), it's not that big a deal to do it immediately, but in humid places I'd advise people to do the boiled water cleaning as soon as practical after shooting (I used to it immediately - brought a big Thermos of boiling hot water to the range).

Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2020 08:52 PM (El6T/)

218 Oh another thing. For Fathers Day I received 2 button up shirts from 5.11

Well, I bought them and gave the bag to my daughter to give to me.

But still.

Posted by: blaster at June 21, 2020 08:52 PM (ZfRYq)

219 Great thread again as per usual, Weasel! Thanks!

Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2020 08:53 PM (El6T/)

220 Scuba_Dude---it's not your scope.

I have a 110 in .30-06. Had similar problem and was getting frustrated, so I decided to pack it in. Grabbed the rifle to put it in the case and discovered "HOT BARREL".....
Savages go off to the left by a ton when that barrel heats up. So--even though this is hard to do--put a 3-round group downrange and sit down, shut up, for at least 5 minutes. Check your target with your scope/spotting scope, adjust, and 3 more.
Yes it will take quite some time.

Posted by: dad29 at June 21, 2020 08:54 PM (5QjOf)

221 Jim
I am on meds now and since that day. They work.
I have a friend who was taught to shoot by his dad. WW II Marine sniper on Guadalcanal.
He taught him to not only control his breathing but his heartbeat.
Fire between heartbeats. He said it was intense.
His old man used to shoot skeet with a .38.
Just to stay in practice.

Posted by: Winston, dreg of society at June 21, 2020 08:54 PM (d9Irc)

222 Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2020 08:53 PM (El6T/)
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Happy to do it. Thanks for being here rhomboid!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 08:55 PM (MVjcR)

223 Fingers can get mashed up if you use stripper clips and try to load rapidly (as I do when I use them in an action rifle match). I've done a bit of work to loosen the interrupters - that's what inhibits the cartridges when you're pushing them down in to the magazine - but I need to do more. I've seen interviews with Red Army vets where they just pushed them down in, effortlessly.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2020 08:48 PM (El6T/)

Yup.....the interrupters on my 91/30 and M44 are too tight and get bound up like you describe so I load 4 in the stripper and gives me room to pop the round past it.

I hate to take them out of the stock after they have been zeroed but one rainy, boring day I guess I will to see if I can loosen the interrupters up a bit.

Going to take my M1 carbines out week after next and I will let you know how far out I can hit from 100 thru 600 yards. Should be a blast.

Happy shooting rhomboid!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 21, 2020 08:58 PM (Z+IKu)

224 Interesting Guns Owned By Others At The Range, latest edition.

Actually, mostly just one. A K-31 straight-pull rifle, but in immaculate, unissued condition. Beautiful wood and metal. Owner said the "P" stamp on it indicated is had been privately owned, and presumably didn't count as the Swiss owner's service rifle (which they keep at home). I don't know, but this thing was gorgeous. And of course it shot like a dream.

Another guy, an off-duty RO, had an M1 Carbine that he said was all "correct" except for the rear sight (Inland), it's in excellent condition, but most interestingly to me, he got it for $600 .... recently. That's about half price, or less, for a gun like that, in CA, today.

He said seller was a long-time owner who just wanted it going to a "good home" - someone who knew and appreciated the history of the gun, and would be shooting it. Nice story.

Why am I never on the receiving ends of such stories??

Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2020 08:58 PM (El6T/)

225 blaster @ 218- I bet you were surprised when you got that gift. I surprised myself when I picked up a police turn-in G17 Gen2 I had somehow put on layaway last week with Mrs. E standing right there. She asked me if I knew that pistol was there, and I told her they had 5 of them a week before and this was the only one left. Just a few mods and it will be a good shooter/carry if I can keep it outta her hands.

Posted by: Eromero at June 21, 2020 08:59 PM (XhWtx)

226 OT: Trying a bottle of "Dragon's Milk" stout.

11% ABV.

Hmmmm...

Posted by: blake - still mobile at June 21, 2020 09:00 PM (UAsDJ)

227 OT: Trying a bottle of "Dragon's Milk" stout.

11% ABV.

Hmmmm...
Posted by: blake - still mobile at June 21, 2020 09:00 PM (UAsDJ)
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Who is the brewer?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, of the sloop John B. at June 21, 2020 09:00 PM (1jlUc)

228 Happy Father's Day to all the moron fathers out there! Had a wonderful treat today--lunch with my parents, then lounging poolside talking history with my dad. He shared some memories of days gone by. Very, very glad I don't live in 1968. Also very, very glad I have him to pass on those memories. Topped off the day with some archery.
Looking forward to hearing about the NoVaMoMe. Are any other moron meetups being planned in other states? I'd kill for one in Wisconsin, especially since Mad City is under constant siege by doofuses. (Doofi? What's the plural on that?)

Posted by: Rosa Erik at June 21, 2020 09:01 PM (2hJEH)

229 Fired the new S&W 637 yesterday. Accurate right out of the box on DA - first shot in the bull and the next 4 in the 9 ring, about a 2 inch spread. I actually had better groups firing DA than SA. Go figure. But I'm really satisfied with my new little belly gun.

Worked the Colt LW Commander with the new Trijicon sights for about 50 rounds. Sure wish I'd had them back in the day. Maybe it wouldn't have taken me 30 years to learn how to shoot a 1911 decently.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at June 21, 2020 09:02 PM (bAe71)

230 Can't wait to see the background check #s for June, gonna be "lit", as the kids say. I remain puzzled by the surge in sales for the WuFlu - yeah I get it, general social anxiety, but the rush was comparable to a genuine specific gun panic, as in 2009 and 2013.

With the current pathetic course of events in much of the country, I'm expecting spectacular numbers.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2020 09:02 PM (El6T/)

231

That two sided reloading bench was a great idea, well brought together.

The handmade rifle?
I am in awe.

Went right through dinner watching a documentary.
I hope, if you haven't seen it, you do so,,, soon.

Outofshadows.org

Will help you to realize how evil the "other side" truly is.

Now, dinner, sort of.

Good night.

Posted by: TeeJ at June 21, 2020 09:02 PM (O67g7)

232 Metallic salts are the culprit in corrosive ammunition.

Oil won't touch it, or protect against it. It can't really be mechanically removed as it gets deep into the pores and tool marks of the rifling.

Water is the only way, hot soapy water, is among the best ways to clean a rifle bore, corrosive primers or not. The military figured this out early on. Unfortunately people (and the military today, even) tend to have a decided aversion to this. They don't understand the principles, because water is something that ordinarily causes a barrel to rust.

There are water-based bore cleaners, USGI stuff from years ago. Ballistol mixed 90-10 is pretty effective too.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 21, 2020 09:03 PM (k8X+x)

233 Posted by: Rosa Erik at June 21, 2020 09:01 PM (2hJEH)
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Howdy and welcome to the Gun Thread! Sounds like you had a great day. Keep your eye on the left sidebar for the MoMe announcements!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 09:03 PM (MVjcR)

234 Recent acquisition is an SCCY in .380. Comes with THREE 10 round mags and a lock. Shot a few rounds to break it in, and it ran flawlessly. Nice pocket gun, since it is way too hot to carry a full size gun. Out the door, with tax, about $280. Not my first choice, but these days, you get what you can.Had the 9mm version a while ago, and recoil was unpleasant, and that is putting it mildly. Can recommend, if recoil and slide racking a factor. The .380 slide is much easier to work. Jasonj

Posted by: jasonj at June 21, 2020 09:03 PM (qSQLQ)

235 I love stouts but don't taste many at the craft breweries we visit (a lot, frequently) because I'm rarely in the mood for stout at the moment. Have had a few. They work well with added flavors, especially coffee.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2020 09:03 PM (El6T/)

236 Who is the brewer?
Posted by: Captain Obvious, of the sloop John B. at June 21, 2020 09:00 PM (1jlUc)
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New Holland

newhollandbrew.com

Posted by: blake - still mobile at June 21, 2020 09:04 PM (UAsDJ)

237 Who is the brewer?
Posted by: Captain Obvious, of the sloop John B. at June 21, 2020 09:00 PM (1jlUc)
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New Holland

newhollandbrew.com
Posted by: blake - still mobile at June 21, 2020 09:04 PM (UAsDJ)
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Thx.

I'm having Pelican Brewing's Export Stout at the moment.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, of the sloop John B. at June 21, 2020 09:05 PM (1jlUc)

238 Posted by: TeeJ at June 21, 2020 09:02 PM (O67g7)
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'night, TeeJ!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 09:06 PM (MVjcR)

239 I'm having Pelican Brewing's Export Stout at the moment.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, of the sloop John B. at June 21, 2020 09:05 PM (1jlUc)
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I love a good stout.

But, I'm a one and done kind of person, which is probably a good idea when it comes to stout beer.

Posted by: blake - still mobile at June 21, 2020 09:07 PM (UAsDJ)

240 @131 bluebell
My Grandmother made that quilt more than 50 years ago.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 21, 2020 09:07 PM (eJn7u)

241 146 Bought a Springfield XD-S .45 ACP today.

Got lucky and Academy Sports got a truck in last night with 8 of them on it and some .45acp ammo. Tried to buy one yesterday but there were literally two dozen people at the gun counter and I couldn't get close and almost everything had sold out by noon.

$50 off MSRP on sale and another $50 off for Military discount. Walked out with it for $489 with tax.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 21, 2020 08:20 PM (JUOKG)

You're gonna love it. One of my top 5 pistols, easy

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 21, 2020 09:07 PM (d1uFV)

242 Sort of out of the blue, but the other day at the range some people had a new shooter with them and it was not entirely smooth getting him familiar with working their tactical shotguns. I suggested they get dummy rounds for precisely this purpose. I think they will be doing so.

I make my own inert/dummy rounds in all calibers I reload, of course, but for those I don't reload, I use dummybullet.com.

I highly highly recommend all new gun-owners to get dummy rounds for their platform - doesn't matter if semi-auto, or shotgun, whatever. Of course they're especially important for semi-s (rifle or handgun) for function testing and practice, but even for revolvers, too.

There are of course commercial brands (Snap-Caps, etc), which serve the same purpose. I like dummybullet because he uses real brass cases, the rounds are exact replicas of regular ammo.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2020 09:09 PM (El6T/)

243 FWIW, I generally load my centerfire long guns one round at a time. Garands are the exception. I like the slower pace and it keeps the barrels from getting too hot. I don't do any competitions these days so rapid reloading isn't needed.

Given my marksmanship, a hot barrel may not make a difference but avoiding them couldn't hurt. :-)

Posted by: JTB at June 21, 2020 09:10 PM (7EjX1)

244 225 blaster @ 218- I bet you were surprised when you got that gift. I surprised myself when I picked up a police turn-in G17 Gen2 I had somehow put on layaway last week with Mrs. E standing right there. She asked me if I knew that pistol was there, and I told her they had 5 of them a week before and this was the only one left. Just a few mods and it will be a good shooter/carry if I can keep it outta her hands.
Posted by: Eromero at June 21, 2020 08:59 PM (XhWtx)

Gen 2 is my favorite of the Glocks, since I don't put lights on pistols.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 21, 2020 09:11 PM (d1uFV)

245 NPR described this as "far right extremists targeting peaceful protestors with their cars"

Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2020 08:43 PM (WdocV)

And NPR needs to be sued for libel over it.

Posted by: GWB at June 21, 2020 09:11 PM (mRtYs)

246 Xipe Totec@ 240, I have the quilt that was on Old Granny Eromero's bed when she died around 1926. My Pappy Eromero was 3 years old.

Posted by: Eromero at June 21, 2020 09:13 PM (XhWtx)

247 Rosa Erik, there are a lot of great Morons in Wisconsin.

The Tx MoMe is Oct 23/24.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2020 09:13 PM (aydHY)

248 Gen 2 is my favorite of the Glocks, since I don't put lights on pistols.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 21, 2020 09:11 PM (d1uFV)
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Why don't you put lights on a pistol?

Posted by: blake - still mobile at June 21, 2020 09:13 PM (UAsDJ)

249 @145 Pastafarian

Tolerances are tight. Falling block has .001" clearances. I used a combination lathe/mill from Grizzley. Limited stroke made setups laborious. Made several special tools to do things like cut the groove for the extractor and hold tiny parts like the firing pin for milling. Tons of careful thought and work. Not sure I would do it again.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 21, 2020 09:16 PM (eJn7u)

250 248 Gen 2 is my favorite of the Glocks, since I don't put lights on pistols.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 21, 2020 09:11 PM (d1uFV)
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Why don't you put lights on a pistol?

Posted by: blake - still mobile at June 21, 2020 09:13 PM (UAsDJ)

For pistols, I want the light (if I'm using one) in my spare hand. I don't want to illuminate someone by pointing a gun at them.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 21, 2020 09:16 PM (d1uFV)

251 And NPR needs to be sued for libel over it.
Posted by: GWB at June 21, 2020 09:11 PM (mRtYs)
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That crap really aggravates me.

Walk down the middle of a road, protesting, tying up traffic, maybe beating on someone who didn't realize what was going on, yet, it's "right wingers" who are trying to run over people.

*Deep breath, swig of beer to calm ire*

Posted by: blake - still mobile at June 21, 2020 09:17 PM (UAsDJ)

252 @164 Rhomboid
Sent it to the Boltman. His specialty.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 21, 2020 09:19 PM (eJn7u)

253 Late to the party, I am. Got a question for the experts here, but first some background info:

There's a potential critter problem at my (late) Dad's place. I saw a raccoon running across his back yard, in broad daylight. Mature animal, not small.

IF it lives on the property, it's likely down in the shrubbery of lower yard. There's a drainage ditch running along the rear edge of the property, so attracts wildlife even tho it's "in town." See deer there regularly, coming in for a drink or even lounging in the grass. Kinda cool, the deer I mean.

There are scratch marks along the edges of the lawn, like something digging lightly. I see no evidence of anything accessing the house or garage.

I have a few gubs, but nothing suppressed. Got some .22 short HPs and a rifle they'd work in BUT... too unwieldy and hard to conceal from nosy neighbors.

Problem? Inside city limits. Would these rounds still be "quiet enough" using a revolver?

I don't know if 'coon is a mama w/babies, or was just passing thru/having a snack or whatever, but when I'm working in that yard, don't want to be unarmed in case that critter DOES indeed live there and decides to defend territory... I don't want to attract a lot of attention if things go sideways.

Also, for point n shoot, what recommendations for gub?

Many thanks for your assistance!

Posted by: JQ at June 21, 2020 09:20 PM (whOIk)

254 For pistols, I want the light (if I'm using one) in my spare hand. I don't want to illuminate someone by pointing a gun at them.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 21, 2020 09:16 PM (d1uFV)
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D'oh! One of Cooper's rules: Don't point a gun at that which you don't wish to destroy.

I don't put lights on pistols, because I take a Thoreau attitude toward firearms: Simplify, simplify, simplify.

Posted by: blake - still mobile at June 21, 2020 09:21 PM (UAsDJ)

255 redc etc. Thanks, just ordered that borescope.
Ace is a great place for knowledge.
The Gub Thread is a great place for practical knowledge.

Posted by: RI Red at June 21, 2020 09:22 PM (5qvy2)

256 I don't put lights on pistols, because I take a Thoreau attitude toward firearms: Simplify, simplify, simplify.
Posted by: blake - still mobile at June 21, 2020 09:21 PM (UAsDJ)

Also a good attitude. I keep everything as stock as possible.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 21, 2020 09:23 PM (d1uFV)

257 Mark Andrew Edwards @244- I agree on the rails, only light I want the enemy see is muzzle flash. Maybe.This Gen2 came with TruDot rear sight but they're about timed out. I some better sights, undercut on rear of triggerguard, and some springs and other pieces-parts. I like messing with Glocks.

Posted by: Eromero at June 21, 2020 09:24 PM (XhWtx)

258 251 And NPR needs to be sued for libel over it.
Posted by: GWB at June 21, 2020 09:11 PM (mRtYs)
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That crap really aggravates me.

Walk down the middle of a road, protesting, tying up traffic, maybe beating on someone who didn't realize what was going on, yet, it's "right wingers" who are trying to run over people.

*Deep breath, swig of beer to calm ire*
Posted by: blake - still mobile at June 21, 2020 09:17 PM (UAsDJ)
--/-/-/

Yes, this is the whole point, at least on the reportage. To enrage decent, peaceable people, and provoke war, basically. Your tax dollars at work.

I suspect the vast bulk of Americans are united, in the sense they'd just as soon see dirty cops fed through a wood chipper, right along with the race hustlers and the trustafarian university types.

The press job, and politicians on the left particularly is to create divisions, real or imagined.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 21, 2020 09:24 PM (k8X+x)

259 Also, for point n shoot, what recommendations for gub?

Many thanks for your assistance!

Posted by: JQ at June 21, 2020 09:20 PM (whOIk)

Be careful about shooting in city limits but....this sounds like .410 territory to me. A single shot 410 is fairly cheap pest control.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 21, 2020 09:24 PM (d1uFV)

260 @JQ:general rule of thumb: From what I understand, if a nocturnal animal is out in broad daylight, good chance of rabies.

Posted by: blake - still mobile at June 21, 2020 09:25 PM (UAsDJ)

261 I also make no mods to guns, but I don't mind pointing a gun at something to illuminate it with the gun light.

Partly because I've never come close to having to do anything like that.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2020 09:26 PM (El6T/)

262 Eromero, sorry for the date change.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2020 09:27 PM (aydHY)

263 Posted by: JQ at June 21, 2020 09:20 PM (whOIk)
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Sub-sonic .22lr?

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 09:27 PM (MVjcR)

264

L.A. Times Editorial Board is Angry About the Recent Increases in Firearms Sales

https://tinyurl.com/ybdu8u4x

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 21, 2020 09:29 PM (aKsyK)

265 Sent in my membership application to a local gun range last week. Haven't heard back yet but I imagine there mailbox is full.

I used to wander off in the Cascade foothills to shoot but it's become very difficult to do so. Growing up we used to do the same thing on BLM land. Lots of deep and long coulees available for your shooting needs.

Posted by: Beartooth at June 21, 2020 09:29 PM (fpc+A)

266 There=their

Posted by: Beartooth at June 21, 2020 09:30 PM (fpc+A)

267 Sub-sonic .22lr?
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 09:27 PM (MVjcR)
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Toilet paper tube, a bit of tissue over the end, decent make shift silencer.

Good for 22 short subsonic, not much else.

Posted by: blake - still mobile at June 21, 2020 09:30 PM (UAsDJ)

268 Weasel,

Another triumph of a gun thread. Thanks. Our best to WeaselWoman and the puppies.

Posted by: JTB at June 21, 2020 09:31 PM (7EjX1)

269 257 Mark Andrew Edwards @244- I agree on the rails, only light I want the enemy see is muzzle flash. Maybe.This Gen2 came with TruDot rear sight but they're about timed out. I some better sights, undercut on rear of triggerguard, and some springs and other pieces-parts. I like messing with Glocks.
Posted by: Eromero at June 21, 2020 09:24 PM (XhWtx)

I know lots of folks who fiddle with them. I have a Gen 3 G19 I used for my mods. But most of my other guns I leave stock. I figure that's the config that most of the testing took place with.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 21, 2020 09:31 PM (d1uFV)

270 Nood. ONT

Posted by: Thanatopsis at beautiful Chancre del Diablo ranch at June 21, 2020 09:32 PM (Q723X)

271 From what I understand, if a nocturnal animal is out in broad daylight, good chance of rabies.
Posted by: blake - still mobile at June 21, 2020 09:25 PM

This is my understanding, as well. By now, if infected, this animal is dead anyway.

Sub-sonic .22lr?
Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 09:27 PM

Yes, but it is "quiet enough" using revolver?

Again, not wanting to draw attention by carrying a rifle. (which isn't practical while doing yardwork anyway.)

Posted by: JQ at June 21, 2020 09:33 PM (whOIk)

272 ..Late to the party, I am. Got a question for the experts here, but first some background info:

There's a potential critter problem at my (late) Dad's place. I saw a raccoon running across his back yard, in broad daylight. Mature animal, not small.

IF it lives on the property, it's likely down in the shrubbery of lower yard. There's a drainage ditch running along the rear edge of the property, so attracts wildlife even tho it's "in town." See deer there regularly, coming in for a drink or even lounging in the grass. Kinda cool, the deer I mean.

There are scratch marks along the edges of the lawn, like something digging lightly. I see no evidence of anything accessing the house or garage.

I have a few gubs, but nothing suppressed. Got some .22 short HPs and a rifle they'd work in BUT... too unwieldy and hard to conceal from nosy neighbors.

Problem? Inside city limits. Would these rounds still be "quiet enough" using a revolver?

I don't know if 'coon is a mama w/babies, or was just passing thru/having a snack or whatever, but when I'm working in that yard, don't want to be unarmed in case that critter DOES indeed live there and decides to defend territory... I don't want to attract a lot of attention if things go sideways.

Also, for point n shoot, what recommendations for gub?

Many thanks for your assistance!

Posted by: JQ at June 21, 2020 09:20 PM (whOIk)

They'll be way too loud out of a revolver.

Use your .22 rifle with the longest barrel, make sure you KNOW it's PERFECTLY zeroed with THAT ammo. Or, such ammo as you prefer.

For stealthy, suburban pest control, I'd use a Sub-Sonic Remington, Ely or Aguila cartridge.

Buy all three, see which is the most accurate in YOUR rifle.

Then, IF POSSIBLE, shoot from about 3 ft. back from an open window, from INSIDE the house.

The subsonic round won't make a supersonic "crack" to catch the neighbor's attention, and the space of the room will contain most of the wee "BOP!" that a subsonic round makes when emerging from a long barrel.

Good luck!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 21, 2020 09:33 PM (QzJWU)

273 Live is better, here

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 21, 2020 09:33 PM (d1uFV)

274
thanks, Weasel

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 21, 2020 09:34 PM (0RgH2)

275 OK. 9:30, so time for my weekly thank you. I appreciate you all being here every week! Happy Father's Day, and again, apologies to Scuba_Dude for goofing up his pictures. Hope to see you all next Sunday. Have a great week!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 09:34 PM (MVjcR)

276 I would think that a high power pellet gun would be the ticket for raccoons in the city limits. I've seen lot's of raccoons and even skunks mid day, while they may be primarily nocturnal they do venture out during the day.

Posted by: ck at June 21, 2020 09:34 PM (Gf0Po)

277 Again, not wanting to draw attention by carrying a rifle. (which isn't practical while doing yardwork anyway.)
Posted by: JQ at June 21, 2020 09:33 PM (whOIk)
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I'm sorry, I didn't really answer your question.

No, even subsonic will be too loud out of a revolver.

In other words, I concur with those who actually answered your question.

Posted by: blake - still mobile at June 21, 2020 09:35 PM (UAsDJ)

278 Sorta related to the gun thread, I got the hubby this shirt for Fathers' Day:

https://tinyurl.com/ydbvf85d

Posted by: SMH at June 21, 2020 09:35 PM (RU4sa)

279 Posted by: JTB at June 21, 2020 09:31 PM (7EjX1)
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Thank you JTB, and my best to Mrs. JTB!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 09:36 PM (MVjcR)

280
thanks, Weasel
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 21, 2020 09:34 PM (0RgH2)
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My pleasure, AltonJackson!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 09:36 PM (MVjcR)

281 Jim SND, sounds like that advice would be good for shooting lots of things with a .22.
I may have done the same thing when I was 15. But I'm denying it now.

Posted by: RI Red at June 21, 2020 09:36 PM (5qvy2)

282 Thanks again, Weasel!

*Tilts beer in salute of thread*

Posted by: blake - still mobile at June 21, 2020 09:37 PM (UAsDJ)

283 *Life

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 21, 2020 09:37 PM (d1uFV)

284 Got lucky and Academy Sports got a truck in last night with 8 of them on it and some .45acp ammo. Tried to buy one yesterday but there were literally two dozen people at the gun counter and I couldn't get close and almost everything had sold out by noon.

Stopped by the local Sportsman warehouse Friday and almost every ammo shelf was bare other than some dove shotgun shells and about 20 ammo cans of 6.5 creedmore.

Very few long guns mostly long barrel shotguns and some really large guns that might have been designed to knock out a Panzer MK IV.

Posted by: Beartooth at June 21, 2020 09:37 PM (fpc+A)

285 278 ..."Sorta related to the gun thread, I got the hubby this shirt for Fathers' Day"

SMH, That is great! If it came in 6X, I would get one for myself.

Posted by: JTB at June 21, 2020 09:39 PM (7EjX1)

286 ..Jim SND, sounds like that advice would be good for shooting lots of things with a .22.
I may have done the same thing when I was 15. But I'm denying it now.

Posted by: RI Red at June 21, 2020 09:36 PM (5qvy2)

It'd also be a sublime application of the Redirection of Motivation should an unruly mob happen to mistakenly choose YOUR street as the site for their festivities.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 21, 2020 09:39 PM (QzJWU)

287 Posted by: blake - still mobile at June 21, 2020 09:37 PM (UAsDJ)
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Thanks blake!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 09:39 PM (MVjcR)

288 Well, if we are nooding, Ima take my pants off and get comfortable.
Still waiting for a video with WD 1 and 2 in concert.
Night, Weasel et al.

Posted by: RI Red at June 21, 2020 09:40 PM (5qvy2)

289 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at June 21, 2020 09:37 PM (d1uFV)
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Thanks, MAE!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 09:40 PM (MVjcR)

290 I would think that a high power pellet gun would be the ticket for raccoons in the city limits...
Posted by: ck at June 21, 2020 09:34 PM

May have to resort to this option-- really shouldn't risk my CC permit at all, but-- this seems least likely to get me "caught."

Thanks, everyone, for your replies!

Posted by: JQ at June 21, 2020 09:41 PM (whOIk)

291 Still waiting for a video with WD 1 and 2 in concert.
Night, Weasel et al.
Posted by: RI Red at June 21, 2020 09:40 PM (5qvy2)
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I'll figure out a way to work LJ into the mix! Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 09:42 PM (MVjcR)

292 JSND, I'm assuming you have read Matt Bracken...

Posted by: RI Red at June 21, 2020 09:42 PM (5qvy2)

293 Love the thread, Weasel! Thanks for all your effort.

I read it every week though usually just lurk.

Posted by: JQ at June 21, 2020 09:42 PM (whOIk)

294 Posted by: JQ at June 21, 2020 09:42 PM (whOIk)
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Why thank you, JQ. It's a pleasure to have you here!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 09:44 PM (MVjcR)

295 ..JSND, I'm assuming you have read Matt Bracken...

Posted by: RI Red at June 21, 2020 09:42 PM (5qvy2)

Only a little, and not his entire body of work.

I'll have to read more, I suppose. I do truly appreciate the work of a devious and defiant mind.

We should all endeavor to gain the knowledge, and pray it is never required of us.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 21, 2020 09:45 PM (QzJWU)

296 OK folks. That's a wrap. I'll check back in the morning for any late comments. Thanks again and goodnight!

Posted by: Weasel at June 21, 2020 09:46 PM (MVjcR)

297 I read it every week though usually just lurk.
Posted by: JQ at June 21, 2020 09:42 PM (whOIk)
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Less lurk!

Posted by: blake - still mobile at June 21, 2020 09:46 PM (UAsDJ)

298 Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at June 21, 2020 09:45 PM (QzJWU)
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Look up Matt Bracken's "What I Saw at the Coup"

Food for thought.

Posted by: blake - still mobile at June 21, 2020 09:49 PM (UAsDJ)

299 299!

Posted by: blake - still mobile at June 21, 2020 09:49 PM (UAsDJ)

300 And, with a mighty push, the gun thread hits 300 comments!

*Confetti all around!*

Why yes, I've had a beer, why do you ask?

Posted by: blake - still mobile at June 21, 2020 09:50 PM (UAsDJ)

301 Jim, he has gamed a lot of this out.
And it's great reading even if you just want some exciting thoughts put into action.

Posted by: RI Red at June 21, 2020 09:50 PM (5qvy2)

302 Seems to be a lot of Morons in Az.....AZ roll call.....anybody...Bueller....Bueller......JasonJ Tucson

Posted by: jasonj at June 21, 2020 10:15 PM (qSQLQ)

303 For summer travelers-- Know the Gun Laws:

https://www.nraila.org/

You can look up by state, the laws plus CC recognition and reciprocity.

You all probably know this link, but I *just* found it, lol!

Posted by: JQ at June 21, 2020 10:16 PM (whOIk)

304 168 waepnedman, outstanding improvisation on the reloading set-up.
Thanks for all the kudos!
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If you're a member, be sure to post that one on the "Show us a picture of your reloading bench" thread on the The High Road. Classic. And many may find it directly useful for their situation.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2020 08:30 PM (El6T/)

I am a High Road member and took your suggestion, but I am too computer illiterate to figure out how to post the pictures.

Incidentally, the reason the bench is so stable probably has to do with the hundreds of pounds of bullets stored on the lower shelves. I do not even have to lock the casters when sizing rifle brass.
I am on a concrete slab with a ceramic tile floor.
I think it might be difficult to roll on a wood sub-floor with carpeting.

Posted by: waepnedmann at June 21, 2020 11:01 PM (llilU)

305 Weasel, undoubtably willowed, but my favoite thread of the week. Thank you. My son PCSs to Langey AFB in October. It would be nice to meet up with you.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at June 22, 2020 02:50 AM (HuH1F)

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