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Memorial Day 2020
Somewhere among the clouds above;
Those that I fight I do not hate
Those that I guard I do not love;
My country is Kiltartan Cross,
My countrymen Kiltartan's poor,
No likely end could bring them loss
Or leave them happier than before.
Nor law, nor duty bade me fight,
Nor public man, nor cheering crowds,
A lonely impulse of delight
Drove to this tumult in the clouds;
I balanced all, brought all to mind,
The years to come seemed waste of breath,
A waste of breath the years behind
In balance with this life, this death. -- W. B. Yeats
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A beautiful poem. Thanks CBD
Posted by: zeera Moron Author at May 25, 2020 04:11 PM (zUdXR)
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hello
Posted by: Lurking Guy at May 25, 2020 04:11 PM (Rs1MW)
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I nooded the others.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at May 25, 2020 04:11 PM (Dhht7)
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In early!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 25, 2020 04:14 PM (rpbg1)
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That's really beautiful
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 04:14 PM (lwiT4)
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Kind of forlorn as are so many other Memorial Day tributes.
Posted by: zeera Moron Author at May 25, 2020 04:14 PM (zUdXR)
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A beautiful poem. Thanks CBD
Posted by: zeera Moron Author at May 25, 2020 04:11 PM (zUdXR)
It's one of my favorites. I think it speaks to a different and better time....
Posted by: zeera Moron Author at May 25, 2020 04:11 PM (zUdXR)
It's one of my favorites. I think it speaks to a different and better time....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2020 04:14 PM (dLLD6)
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If one looks up the Battle of Carentan on wikipedia, there is a photo of French civilians laying flowers on the body of a dead American soldier. Haunting.
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 04:16 PM (bCLt0)
Posted by: Erik L at May 25, 2020 04:16 PM (fMlmZ)
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I can't imagine being that young and staring intently at your own mortality. Seeing your comrades falling by the wayside, and never having really lived life.
Posted by: zeera Moron Author at May 25, 2020 04:17 PM (zUdXR)
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My Grandfather was an RFC pilot. He ferried aircraft from England to France.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Join The Masquerade with Quality Facial Wear from The Outrage Outlet! at May 25, 2020 04:17 PM (0QYMt)
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Who is the Irishman that foresaw his death?
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 04:18 PM (2DOZq)
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For the Fallen By Laurence Binyon
With proud thanksgiving, a mother for her children,
England mourns for her dead across the sea.
Flesh of her flesh they were, spirit of her spirit,
Fallen in the cause of the free.
Solemn the drums thrill; Death august and royal
Sings sorrow up into immortal spheres,
There is music in the midst of desolation
And a glory that shines upon our tears.
They went with songs to the battle, they were young,
Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow.
They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted;
They fell with their faces to the foe.
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.
They mingle not with their laughing comrades again;
They sit no more at familiar tables of home;
They have no lot in our labour of the day-time;
They sleep beyond England's foam.
But where our desires are and our hopes profound,
Felt as a well-spring that is hidden from sight,
To the innermost heart of their own land they are known
As the stars are known to the Night;
As the stars that shall be bright when we are dust,
Moving in marches upon the heavenly plain;
As the stars that are starry in the time of our darkness,
To the end, to the end, they remain.
With proud thanksgiving, a mother for her children,
England mourns for her dead across the sea.
Flesh of her flesh they were, spirit of her spirit,
Fallen in the cause of the free.
Solemn the drums thrill; Death august and royal
Sings sorrow up into immortal spheres,
There is music in the midst of desolation
And a glory that shines upon our tears.
They went with songs to the battle, they were young,
Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow.
They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted;
They fell with their faces to the foe.
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.
They mingle not with their laughing comrades again;
They sit no more at familiar tables of home;
They have no lot in our labour of the day-time;
They sleep beyond England's foam.
But where our desires are and our hopes profound,
Felt as a well-spring that is hidden from sight,
To the innermost heart of their own land they are known
As the stars are known to the Night;
As the stars that shall be bright when we are dust,
Moving in marches upon the heavenly plain;
As the stars that are starry in the time of our darkness,
To the end, to the end, they remain.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 25, 2020 04:18 PM (yQpMk)
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. I think it speaks to a different and better time...
It was different. Better? There is nothing new under the sun. What I mean is, every age has its challenges, and human nature is human nature. We look back in nostalgia. They looked forward in hope. I look forward in hope too. I think many of us do. We're Americans. It's what we do.
It was different. Better? There is nothing new under the sun. What I mean is, every age has its challenges, and human nature is human nature. We look back in nostalgia. They looked forward in hope. I look forward in hope too. I think many of us do. We're Americans. It's what we do.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 04:18 PM (lwiT4)
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It's one of my favorites. I think it speaks to a different and better time....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2020 04:14 PM (dLLD6)
Yeats wrote haunting poetry!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2020 04:14 PM (dLLD6)
Yeats wrote haunting poetry!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 25, 2020 04:19 PM (6wiwL)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 25, 2020 04:19 PM (mht8P)
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Did the U.S. consider blockading Japan instead of invading, just prevent food and supplies from getting to the islands and starving them into submission? Of course that would not have been quick, and might have been nearly impossible to implement. I'm just curious if that was ever suggested.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 25, 2020 04:19 PM (rpbg1)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:20 PM (u82oZ)
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Ireland is a complicated issue in WW2.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 04:21 PM (2DOZq)
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Did the U.S. consider blockading Japan instead of invading, just prevent food and supplies from getting to the islands and starving them into submission? Of course that would not have been quick, and might have been nearly impossible to implement. I'm just curious if that was ever suggested.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 25, 2020 04:19 PM (rpbg1)
It was indeed considered and after Okinawa, given much weight. Luckily the A bomb rendered the debate moot.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 25, 2020 04:19 PM (rpbg1)
It was indeed considered and after Okinawa, given much weight. Luckily the A bomb rendered the debate moot.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 25, 2020 04:21 PM (yQpMk)
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Hadrian the Seventh
Any fliers had extraordinary chances of dying in WWI. Every flight.
More aviators were killed in mishaps than in combat. Training losses were incredible.
11-16 years after the Wright Brothers.
Any fliers had extraordinary chances of dying in WWI. Every flight.
More aviators were killed in mishaps than in combat. Training losses were incredible.
11-16 years after the Wright Brothers.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:22 PM (u82oZ)
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12 Who is the Irishman that foresaw his death?
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 04:18 PM (2DOZq)
Yeats was Irish, but he was already too old for service. So take it as a literary fiction.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 04:18 PM (2DOZq)
Yeats was Irish, but he was already too old for service. So take it as a literary fiction.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 25, 2020 04:22 PM (trdmm)
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Don't think I have seen this here today, and it is not really "ours" but is speaks to the human condition:
In Flanders Fields
John McCrae - 1872-1918
In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
In Flanders Fields
John McCrae - 1872-1918
In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 25, 2020 04:22 PM (6wiwL)
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One of the issues of a slow Japanese collapse without a surrender was what about the Japanese Army in China? They would have been difficult if not impossible to dislodge if, in absence of the Emperor surrendering, they had just gone warlord.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 25, 2020 04:23 PM (yQpMk)
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The 6 Northern counties of Ireland just fought as British citizens, yes?
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 04:23 PM (bCLt0)
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at May 25, 2020 04:24 PM (Zz0t1)
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They would have been difficult if not impossible to dislodge if, in absence of the Emperor surrendering, they had just gone warlord.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 25, 2020 04:23 PM (yQpMk)
Instead, we got Mao!
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 25, 2020 04:23 PM (yQpMk)
Instead, we got Mao!
Posted by: Zombie John Birch at May 25, 2020 04:24 PM (6wiwL)
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Yeats was Irish, but he was already too old for service. So take it as a literary fiction.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 25, 2020 04:22 PM (trdmm
Yeah he was in his 50's during WW 1 . That's why I was confused.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 25, 2020 04:22 PM (trdmm
Yeah he was in his 50's during WW 1 . That's why I was confused.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 04:24 PM (2DOZq)
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One of my uncles joined the British Army. In the village where I grew up in Ireland, he was never forgiven.
Posted by: Patrick C Carroll at May 25, 2020 04:25 PM (2D4Ga)
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Instead, we got Mao!
Posted by: Zombie John Birch at May 25, 2020 04:24 PM (6wiwL)
Hold the Mao!!!
Instead, we got Mao!
Posted by: Zombie John Birch at May 25, 2020 04:24 PM (6wiwL)
Hold the Mao!!!
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 04:25 PM (bCLt0)
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Did the U.S. consider blockading Japan instead of invading, just prevent food and supplies from getting to the islands and starving them into submission? Of course that would not have been quick, and might have been nearly impossible to implement. I'm just curious if that was ever suggested.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 25, 2020 04:19 PM (rpbg1)
In a real sense that was already being done. The US Navy was sinking much of Japan's Merchant Fleet. The Island was starving
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 25, 2020 04:19 PM (rpbg1)
In a real sense that was already being done. The US Navy was sinking much of Japan's Merchant Fleet. The Island was starving
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 25, 2020 04:25 PM (85Gof)
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It was indeed considered and after Okinawa, given much weight. Luckily the A bomb rendered the debate moot.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 25, 2020 04:21 PM (yQpMk)
I believe the US submarine service had in fact almost completely blockaded the home islands by 1945. However, that wasn't enough to push them to surrender, it was going to require more.
We tend to forget that as measured by tonnage, US submarines sunk far more ships than any other participant in the war. And the majority of those were supply ships of one kind or another.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 25, 2020 04:21 PM (yQpMk)
I believe the US submarine service had in fact almost completely blockaded the home islands by 1945. However, that wasn't enough to push them to surrender, it was going to require more.
We tend to forget that as measured by tonnage, US submarines sunk far more ships than any other participant in the war. And the majority of those were supply ships of one kind or another.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 25, 2020 04:25 PM (trdmm)
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It was indeed considered and after Okinawa, given much weight. Luckily the A bomb rendered the debate moot.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 25, 2020
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I wondered. Envision an alternate history where the cruiser U.S.S. J. N. Garner is on blockade patrol in the waters off Honshu -- in 1952. . . .
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 25, 2020
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I wondered. Envision an alternate history where the cruiser U.S.S. J. N. Garner is on blockade patrol in the waters off Honshu -- in 1952. . . .
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 25, 2020 04:25 PM (rpbg1)
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One of the issues of a slow Japanese collapse without a surrender was what about the Japanese Army in China? They would have been difficult if not impossible to dislodge if, in absence of the Emperor surrendering, they had just gone warlord.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 25, 2020 04:23 PM (yQpMk)
Not just in China. And what about the POWs and assorted slave labor? Were they to be written off as well?
One of the issues of a slow Japanese collapse without a surrender was what about the Japanese Army in China? They would have been difficult if not impossible to dislodge if, in absence of the Emperor surrendering, they had just gone warlord.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 25, 2020 04:23 PM (yQpMk)
Not just in China. And what about the POWs and assorted slave labor? Were they to be written off as well?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 25, 2020 04:25 PM (mht8P)
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229 Wolfus Aurelius {Willowed}
Yes. That was the Navy and USAAF position. McArthur and Marshall overrode Nimitz and Arnold.
The USN and USAAF mined Japanese waters and harbors in the summer of 1945. Each home island was isolated, except at a few guarded choke points. And no fishing boats got out of harbor.
Yes. That was the Navy and USAAF position. McArthur and Marshall overrode Nimitz and Arnold.
The USN and USAAF mined Japanese waters and harbors in the summer of 1945. Each home island was isolated, except at a few guarded choke points. And no fishing boats got out of harbor.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:26 PM (u82oZ)
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Hrothgar, Thank You. That is my favorite.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 25, 2020 04:26 PM (G3ow5)
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Joining the RFC in World War I was a good way to get killed.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 25, 2020 04:19 PM
"Goggles on, chocks away, last one back's a homo! Hurray!"
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 25, 2020 04:19 PM
"Goggles on, chocks away, last one back's a homo! Hurray!"
Posted by: Squadron Commander The Lord Flasheart at May 25, 2020 04:26 PM (rBtIz)
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Tom Servo
In the isolation campaign at the end of the war, the begrudging USAAF mining effort was superior. Because it was in coastal waters and close to shore.
In the isolation campaign at the end of the war, the begrudging USAAF mining effort was superior. Because it was in coastal waters and close to shore.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:27 PM (u82oZ)
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"A lonely impulse of delight"...no great feelings in this one. "I was bored, so I joined. Flying's cool, but fuck the Brits. No one back home gives a shit whether I live or die, anyway. And why should they? Nothing matters."
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 25, 2020 04:28 PM (ja/kn)
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The Japs were never going to surrender due to any blockade and left unchecked, they were very dangerous.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 25, 2020 04:29 PM (85Gof)
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High Flight.
"Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth,
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed and joined the tumbling mirth of sun-split clouds -
and done a hundred things You have not dreamed of -
wheeled and soared and swung high in the sunlit silence.
Hovering there I've chased the shouting wind along
and flung my eager craft through footless halls of air.
"Up, up the long delirious burning blue
I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace,
where never lark, or even eagle, flew;
and, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
the high untrespassed sanctity of space,
put out my hand and touched the face of God."
By Pilot Officer John Gillespie Magee, Jr. He was an American serving with the Royal Canadian Air Force, and was killed in a flying collision shortly thereafter.
"Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth,
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed and joined the tumbling mirth of sun-split clouds -
and done a hundred things You have not dreamed of -
wheeled and soared and swung high in the sunlit silence.
Hovering there I've chased the shouting wind along
and flung my eager craft through footless halls of air.
"Up, up the long delirious burning blue
I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace,
where never lark, or even eagle, flew;
and, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
the high untrespassed sanctity of space,
put out my hand and touched the face of God."
By Pilot Officer John Gillespie Magee, Jr. He was an American serving with the Royal Canadian Air Force, and was killed in a flying collision shortly thereafter.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:29 PM (u82oZ)
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grammar, as you well know, this country, like all others, will fall under the dominion of the evil one.
We fight till that happens, if in our lifetime, and look forward to the Blessed Hope.
1 Thessalonians 4:16
grammar, as you well know, this country, like all others, will fall under the dominion of the evil one.
We fight till that happens, if in our lifetime, and look forward to the Blessed Hope.
1 Thessalonians 4:16
Posted by: TeeJ at May 25, 2020 04:30 PM (xcF3W)
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There is an apocryphal story that a group of reporters asked Curtis LeMay when the war would end in the Pacific. He told them to wait a moment while he consulted and when he returned, he announced a specific day in 1948. The reporters, astonished at the specificity, asked him how he figured that. He reported that after consulting his schedules, on that day the Air Force would have burned to ash the last town in Japan with more than a thousand residents.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 25, 2020 04:30 PM (yQpMk)
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Joining the RFC in World War I was a good way to get killed.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
I grew up at a small airport in Washington State. There was an old guy there who became a kind of grandpa to me. He flew in WW 1.
I recall him saying it was a hell of a lot better than the infantry. Even at that, his forward airfield got some drifting gas one morning. It affected him the rest of his life.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
I grew up at a small airport in Washington State. There was an old guy there who became a kind of grandpa to me. He flew in WW 1.
I recall him saying it was a hell of a lot better than the infantry. Even at that, his forward airfield got some drifting gas one morning. It affected him the rest of his life.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 25, 2020 04:31 PM (axyOa)
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My twin brother is a Viet vet. We always talk at this time. It seems harder every year. This year we talked about our older brother who died about a year ago. He didn't serve--law school was the easy out then. Spike (my twin) said our older brother seemed increasingly to regret not having fought--not being a vet--though he would never have volunteered. Not part of his career path.
It reminded me of a poem that I think describes those of us in that cohort. It's called "Il Refuto"--Greek, translates as The Great No. Lots of translations out there, none particularly good.
It's the idea that sticks with me: that every generation faces an event that will be the mark of that generation. The man who chooses to be part of it--says The Great Yes--may do so knowing it's dangerous, not the most reasonable choice, or even one he particularly wants to make, but he must. He becomes part of something larger than himself, and that informs the rest of his life.
The man who chooses not to be part of it--says The Great No to his generation's struggle--finds his life made smaller, every choice smaller, less meaningful. Knows it. Knows he would make the same choice again. Sad.
The idea seemed to have meaning for Spike, so I offer it to the Horde.
It reminded me of a poem that I think describes those of us in that cohort. It's called "Il Refuto"--Greek, translates as The Great No. Lots of translations out there, none particularly good.
It's the idea that sticks with me: that every generation faces an event that will be the mark of that generation. The man who chooses to be part of it--says The Great Yes--may do so knowing it's dangerous, not the most reasonable choice, or even one he particularly wants to make, but he must. He becomes part of something larger than himself, and that informs the rest of his life.
The man who chooses not to be part of it--says The Great No to his generation's struggle--finds his life made smaller, every choice smaller, less meaningful. Knows it. Knows he would make the same choice again. Sad.
The idea seemed to have meaning for Spike, so I offer it to the Horde.
Posted by: Wenda at May 25, 2020 04:31 PM (LJe6e)
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Thankfully the IJN never decoupled their submarines from pre-war notions like Lockwood did. Imagine I-boats and RO-boats doing to the long supply line from Hawaii to Australia in 42 what we did and tremble at what might have been.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2020 04:31 PM (FuC0Y)
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Since I don't believe in the poem's narrative
I can't love it
And since I am an American
I can't understand it
just words put together to please someone
I don't know who
I can't love it
And since I am an American
I can't understand it
just words put together to please someone
I don't know who
Posted by: REDACTED at May 25, 2020 04:31 PM (UUUON)
48
There was an internal fight for control within Japan before we dropped the bomb. The fanatics held on by a thread. More fire bombing may have broke that thread.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 04:32 PM (2DOZq)
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Nevergiveup
We had them bottled up. I side with the no invasion plan. But I see the point. Strong & decisive victory leads to long peaces.
I've gamed Operation Olympic out a number of times. We would have needed those 10-15 atomic bombs. The IJA was bringing back good units from China via Korea.
We had them bottled up. I side with the no invasion plan. But I see the point. Strong & decisive victory leads to long peaces.
I've gamed Operation Olympic out a number of times. We would have needed those 10-15 atomic bombs. The IJA was bringing back good units from China via Korea.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:33 PM (u82oZ)
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One of the issues of a slow Japanese collapse without a surrender was what about the Japanese Army in China? They would have been difficult if not impossible to dislodge if, in absence of the Emperor surrendering, they had just gone warlord.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 25, 2020 04:23 PM (yQpMk)
Not just in China. And what about the POWs and assorted slave labor? Were they to be written off as well?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 25, 2020 04:25 PM (mht8P)
Interesting points. Never forget all the aid -- factories, etc. -- that the U.S. shipped to China, which were taken over by warlords, and might have eventually been confiscated by the Japanese.
One of the issues of a slow Japanese collapse without a surrender was what about the Japanese Army in China? They would have been difficult if not impossible to dislodge if, in absence of the Emperor surrendering, they had just gone warlord.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 25, 2020 04:23 PM (yQpMk)
Not just in China. And what about the POWs and assorted slave labor? Were they to be written off as well?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 25, 2020 04:25 PM (mht8P)
Interesting points. Never forget all the aid -- factories, etc. -- that the U.S. shipped to China, which were taken over by warlords, and might have eventually been confiscated by the Japanese.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 25, 2020 04:33 PM (Dc2NZ)
51
Reading along here, watching Midway, for the 50th time
Posted by: Skip at May 25, 2020 04:34 PM (ZCEU2)
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Kilroy wasn't here
Not much left to burn. Only 4 cities left unburned before the A bomb. One was off limits (Kyoto).
Both A bombs together did 3% of the damage to urban areas in Japan. The other 97% was burned.
Not much left to burn. Only 4 cities left unburned before the A bomb. One was off limits (Kyoto).
Both A bombs together did 3% of the damage to urban areas in Japan. The other 97% was burned.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:34 PM (u82oZ)
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Didn't the firebombings kill more people than the A-bomb?
Posted by: Braenyard at May 25, 2020 04:34 PM (mWu8/)
Posted by: TeeJ at May 25, 2020 04:35 PM (xcF3W)
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@ 47...spare me. It's a good poem, but ambivalence overwhelms it. That was Yeats' point.
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 25, 2020 04:35 PM (ja/kn)
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37 Joining the RFC in World War I was a good way to get killed.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 25, 2020 04:19 PM
"Goggles on, chocks away, last one back's a homo! Hurray!"
Posted by: Squadron Commander The Lord Flasheart at May 25, 2020 04:26 PM (rBtIz)
I went through a museum of WW1 aircraft once, and amazed to find out how primitive the early flying models were. The early ones didn't even have any throttle control, you just cranked it up and it was on at full power. This made landing tricky, and your best chance of a good landing was to wait until you were low and close to the runway, and just cut your engine off so you could glide on in. Not surprisingly, a whole lot of things could go wrong. By 1918, aircraft had gotten a bit better, but not all that much.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 25, 2020 04:19 PM
"Goggles on, chocks away, last one back's a homo! Hurray!"
Posted by: Squadron Commander The Lord Flasheart at May 25, 2020 04:26 PM (rBtIz)
I went through a museum of WW1 aircraft once, and amazed to find out how primitive the early flying models were. The early ones didn't even have any throttle control, you just cranked it up and it was on at full power. This made landing tricky, and your best chance of a good landing was to wait until you were low and close to the runway, and just cut your engine off so you could glide on in. Not surprisingly, a whole lot of things could go wrong. By 1918, aircraft had gotten a bit better, but not all that much.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 25, 2020 04:36 PM (trdmm)
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Would the USSR have invaded without the dropping of atomic weapons?
My bet is no because Stalin would want both sides to lose.
My bet is no because Stalin would want both sides to lose.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2020 04:36 PM (FuC0Y)
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Posted by: Wenda at May 25, 2020 04:31 PM (LJe6e)
Thanks for that comment!
Much food for thought there!
Thanks for that comment!
Much food for thought there!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 25, 2020 04:37 PM (6wiwL)
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The IJA was bringing back good units from China via Korea.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:33 PM (u82oZ)
Doubt they ever could have gotten them back to mainland Japan without massive loses. Anyway even starving the Japs out would have caused more death than than the dropping of the 2 nukes. And most important, America was getting tired of War, very tired. End it! End it quick! And End it!
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:33 PM (u82oZ)
Doubt they ever could have gotten them back to mainland Japan without massive loses. Anyway even starving the Japs out would have caused more death than than the dropping of the 2 nukes. And most important, America was getting tired of War, very tired. End it! End it quick! And End it!
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 25, 2020 04:37 PM (85Gof)
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My bet is no because Stalin would want both sides to lose.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2020 04:36 PM (FuC0Y)
That piece of evil shit continued to fight and take land weeks after the surrender was announced.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2020 04:36 PM (FuC0Y)
That piece of evil shit continued to fight and take land weeks after the surrender was announced.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 04:37 PM (2DOZq)
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Hadrian the Seventh
Japan's early surrender saved all those POWs.
Nazi Germany - 5% of POWs died in captivity, normally from wounds.
Imperial Japan -35% of all POW and civilian internees died. Usually brutally.
This does not count the Hell Ship POWs killed by allied (usually USN submarines) action.
Japan's early surrender saved all those POWs.
Nazi Germany - 5% of POWs died in captivity, normally from wounds.
Imperial Japan -35% of all POW and civilian internees died. Usually brutally.
This does not count the Hell Ship POWs killed by allied (usually USN submarines) action.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:37 PM (u82oZ)
62
If it wasnt for one photo from Iwo Jima, the Seventh War Bond drive might have fizzled.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2020 04:38 PM (FuC0Y)
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Nor law, nor duty bade me fight,
Nor public man, nor cheering crowds,
A lonely impulse of delight
Drove to this tumult in the clouds;
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"A lonely impulse of delight" -- how true for so many young men who impulsively joined up.
Nor public man, nor cheering crowds,
A lonely impulse of delight
Drove to this tumult in the clouds;
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"A lonely impulse of delight" -- how true for so many young men who impulsively joined up.
Posted by: FloridaMan at May 25, 2020 04:38 PM (CuTuZ)
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Both A bombs together did 3% of the damage to urban areas in Japan. The other 97% was burned.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:34 PM (u82oZ)
But it was a most convincing 3%!
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:34 PM (u82oZ)
But it was a most convincing 3%!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 25, 2020 04:38 PM (6wiwL)
65
53 Yes
Posted by: Skip at May 25, 2020 04:39 PM (ZCEU2)
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 25, 2020 04:40 PM (i6uJ1)
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Just the April 45 fire bombing of Tokyo killed more than both atomic weapons.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 25, 2020 04:40 PM (FuC0Y)
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Nevergiveup
I agree with that last sentiment. We wanted the war done.
I'll look at my sources. Some very good units of the IJA did not fire a shot. One well trained division was moved from Okinawa to Taiwan in 1944.
Our blockade of Japan was not complete, due to mine barriers between Japan and Korea. That was where they moved the troops, in smaller boats.
I agree with that last sentiment. We wanted the war done.
I'll look at my sources. Some very good units of the IJA did not fire a shot. One well trained division was moved from Okinawa to Taiwan in 1944.
Our blockade of Japan was not complete, due to mine barriers between Japan and Korea. That was where they moved the troops, in smaller boats.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:41 PM (u82oZ)
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That piece of evil shit continued to fight and take land weeks after the surrender was announced.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 04:37 PM (2DOZq)
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and he turned it all over to the ChiComs, which explains why it happened.
That piece of evil shit continued to fight and take land weeks after the surrender was announced.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 04:37 PM (2DOZq)
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and he turned it all over to the ChiComs, which explains why it happened.
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 25, 2020 04:41 PM (i6uJ1)
70
It's a good poem, but ambivalence overwhelms it. That was Yeats' point.
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The ambivalence is where the greatness hides. Is Shylock a hero or a villain and on and on.
For some truly odd irony, the Irish are the masters of the English language. Go figure.
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The ambivalence is where the greatness hides. Is Shylock a hero or a villain and on and on.
For some truly odd irony, the Irish are the masters of the English language. Go figure.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 25, 2020 04:43 PM (MIKMs)
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Commissar Hrothgar
Plus we had a Navy guy recommend we drop them like we possessed a hundred.
I think we planned to drop a total of 25 A-bombs by 1946. That assumes no production delays.
Plus we had a Navy guy recommend we drop them like we possessed a hundred.
I think we planned to drop a total of 25 A-bombs by 1946. That assumes no production delays.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:44 PM (u82oZ)
72
55 @ 47...spare me. It's a good poem, but ambivalence overwhelms it. That was Yeats' point.
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 25, 2020 04:35 PM (ja/kn)
"good" is the most ridiculous word in the English language
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 25, 2020 04:35 PM (ja/kn)
"good" is the most ridiculous word in the English language
Posted by: REDACTED at May 25, 2020 04:44 PM (UUUON)
73
45---The idea seemed to have meaning for Spike, so I offer it to the Horde.
Posted by: Wenda at May 25, 2020 04:31 PM (LJe6e)
-------------------------------
Thanks.
Thought provoking.
Posted by: Wenda at May 25, 2020 04:31 PM (LJe6e)
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Thanks.
Thought provoking.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 25, 2020 04:44 PM (M/9m0)
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Did the U.S. consider blockading Japan instead of
invading, just prevent food and supplies from getting to the islands
and starving them into submission? Of course that would not have been
quick, and might have been nearly impossible to implement. I'm just
curious if that was ever suggested.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 25, 2020 04:19 PM (rpbg1)
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There was in effect a complete blockade of Japan starting about March-April 1945.
Virtually nothing was getting in or out of the home islands after that. But they still would not quit.
invading, just prevent food and supplies from getting to the islands
and starving them into submission? Of course that would not have been
quick, and might have been nearly impossible to implement. I'm just
curious if that was ever suggested.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 25, 2020 04:19 PM (rpbg1)
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There was in effect a complete blockade of Japan starting about March-April 1945.
Virtually nothing was getting in or out of the home islands after that. But they still would not quit.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 25, 2020 04:44 PM (JUOKG)
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I think I *can* understand this poem, quite well. It's dark in several ways. The speaker comes from poor people from a poor part of Ireland, and he knows their lives are going to continue to suck after the war ends, no matter who wins. He doesn't believe in causes, he's not all that patriotic, he didn't have to fight. So why is he fighting? Because he loves to fly more than anything, and he might as well fight as do anything else.
What's more, he thinks his life before this moment was all wasted time, wasted breath, and any life after this would just be wasted time, wasted breath. So why not die now, if he can grab a few brief moments of actually feeling alive before Death comes?
I told you it was dark. This is a guy who doesn't give a shit about his own death, and probably looks forward to it. One thing to remember - a man who couldn't care less about his own death is one of the meanest sob's to ever get in a fight with.
T
What's more, he thinks his life before this moment was all wasted time, wasted breath, and any life after this would just be wasted time, wasted breath. So why not die now, if he can grab a few brief moments of actually feeling alive before Death comes?
I told you it was dark. This is a guy who doesn't give a shit about his own death, and probably looks forward to it. One thing to remember - a man who couldn't care less about his own death is one of the meanest sob's to ever get in a fight with.
T
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 25, 2020 04:45 PM (trdmm)
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45-I spent 4 years in the Marines, most of it as a brig guard in Quantico in the early 80s. When I tell people about my service it seems to make them uncomfortable, I rarely tell anyone
Posted by: Creek at May 25, 2020 04:45 PM (kVYYT)
77
Plus we had a Navy guy recommend we drop them like we possessed a hundred.
I think we planned to drop a total of 25 A-bombs by 1946. That assumes no production delays.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:44 PM (u82oZ)
Sometimes you need to bluff!
I think we planned to drop a total of 25 A-bombs by 1946. That assumes no production delays.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:44 PM (u82oZ)
Sometimes you need to bluff!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 25, 2020 04:46 PM (6wiwL)
78
You have to end wars and end them expeditiously. WW2 lasted 4 years. Look at this shit with islam we got ourselves into.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 25, 2020 04:46 PM (85Gof)
79
23
In Flanders fields.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 25, 2020 04:22 PM (6wiwL)
Thanks, Hrothgar. That's always a good one.
In Flanders fields.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 25, 2020 04:22 PM (6wiwL)
Thanks, Hrothgar. That's always a good one.
Posted by: m at May 25, 2020 04:46 PM (Fqlfr)
80
My grandfather and my grandmothers younger brother were Irish and both joined the Irish Army in WW1. My grandfather came back but my great uncle is buried in France. My grandfather had joined the Army in 1909.
Posted by: Megthered at May 25, 2020 04:47 PM (fcpQZ)
81
Japan's early surrender saved all those POWs.
Nazi Germany - 5% of POWs died in captivity, normally from wounds.
Imperial Japan -35% of all POW and civilian internees died. Usually brutally.
This does not count the Hell Ship POWs killed by allied (usually USN submarines) action.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:37 PM (u82oZ)
What you said. I was trying to control my rage at the "what if". My grandfather's cousin, a civilian, was taken prisoner in the Philippines, abused and starved. The brave people sneaked him whatever food they could, including snake, but he still came out skin and bones. My father remembers talking to him; he didn't live for very long after the war.
Even the saintly Takashi Nagai, who survived but lost his wife in Nagasaki, wrote about how the Japanese were not prepared for surrender. There is a Quaker poet whose name escapes me who also wrote autobiographically about how the people starved so their fighters would eat, and how the children were trained to fight with sharpened sticks to kill anticipated invaders.
Nazi Germany - 5% of POWs died in captivity, normally from wounds.
Imperial Japan -35% of all POW and civilian internees died. Usually brutally.
This does not count the Hell Ship POWs killed by allied (usually USN submarines) action.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:37 PM (u82oZ)
What you said. I was trying to control my rage at the "what if". My grandfather's cousin, a civilian, was taken prisoner in the Philippines, abused and starved. The brave people sneaked him whatever food they could, including snake, but he still came out skin and bones. My father remembers talking to him; he didn't live for very long after the war.
Even the saintly Takashi Nagai, who survived but lost his wife in Nagasaki, wrote about how the Japanese were not prepared for surrender. There is a Quaker poet whose name escapes me who also wrote autobiographically about how the people starved so their fighters would eat, and how the children were trained to fight with sharpened sticks to kill anticipated invaders.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at May 25, 2020 04:47 PM (/+bwe)
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Posted by: Tom Servo at May 25, 2020 04:45 PM (trdmm)
Seems all the motivated Irish immigrated to the States.
Seems all the motivated Irish immigrated to the States.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 04:47 PM (2DOZq)
83
... Not surprisingly, a whole lot of things could go wrong. By 1918, aircraft had gotten a bit better, but not all that much.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 25, 2020 04:36 PM (trdmm)
Airspeed was controlled by turning the engine on and off. You can hear it in some older video.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 25, 2020 04:36 PM (trdmm)
Airspeed was controlled by turning the engine on and off. You can hear it in some older video.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 25, 2020 04:47 PM (mWu8/)
84
I told you it was dark. This is a guy who doesn't give a shit about his own death, and probably looks forward to it. One thing to remember - a man who couldn't care less about his own death is one of the meanest sob's to ever get in a fight with.
T
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 25, 2020 04:45 PM (trdmm)
The idea is to get the other guy to die for his country
Patton
T
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 25, 2020 04:45 PM (trdmm)
The idea is to get the other guy to die for his country
Patton
Posted by: REDACTED at May 25, 2020 04:47 PM (UUUON)
85
Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS)
The IJA was able to reinforce Kyushu from Honshu by several divisions during this time.
We were still somewhat limited in night attacks. Radar equipped aircraft did exist, but in small numbers.
Shore defense equipped choke points helped.
The IJA was able to reinforce Kyushu from Honshu by several divisions during this time.
We were still somewhat limited in night attacks. Radar equipped aircraft did exist, but in small numbers.
Shore defense equipped choke points helped.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:47 PM (u82oZ)
86
I'm not a poetry guy, but if I had to pick a favorite it would be Yeats. He had a gift.
I remember that poem from the movie Memphis Belle. Eric Stoltz recites it before they take off on their final mission.
I remember that poem from the movie Memphis Belle. Eric Stoltz recites it before they take off on their final mission.
Posted by: BigZesty at May 25, 2020 04:48 PM (Vm0WN)
87
You have to end wars and end them expeditiously. WW2 lasted 4 years. Look at this shit with islam we got ourselves into.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 25, 2020 04:46 PM (85Gof)
We should have pulled a fuck ton of tanks up to the border of the ME and kept driving until we terraformed a new land mass.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 25, 2020 04:46 PM (85Gof)
We should have pulled a fuck ton of tanks up to the border of the ME and kept driving until we terraformed a new land mass.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 25, 2020 04:48 PM (9Om/r)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 25, 2020 04:48 PM (d1uFV)
89
78 You have to end wars and end them expeditiously. WW2 lasted 4 years. Look at this shit with islam we got ourselves into.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 25, 2020 04:46 PM (85Gof)
War should be taken seriously and pursued with intensity of purpose.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 25, 2020 04:46 PM (85Gof)
War should be taken seriously and pursued with intensity of purpose.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 25, 2020 04:49 PM (6wiwL)
90
** Imperial Japan -35% of all POW and civilian internees died. Usually brutally. **
My Great Aunt and Great Uncle Ann and Louis deCoito were interned (civilians) in the Phillipines by the japs. Remember them dearly as a kid, hating japs.
He pointed at the tv one day and told me to remember what I saw- long lines of people at banks for the last day to redeem silver certificate currency for real silver.
My Great Aunt and Great Uncle Ann and Louis deCoito were interned (civilians) in the Phillipines by the japs. Remember them dearly as a kid, hating japs.
He pointed at the tv one day and told me to remember what I saw- long lines of people at banks for the last day to redeem silver certificate currency for real silver.
Posted by: banned got his first taste of beer from who? :) at May 25, 2020 04:49 PM (dnhLL)
91
NaughtyPine
The IJA armed all civilians they could in Kyushu. Even with spears. They were not going to give up.
The IJA armed all civilians they could in Kyushu. Even with spears. They were not going to give up.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:50 PM (u82oZ)
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My grandfather joined the navy and sailed on the minesweeper the USS Rail 1919. His tour from Bremerton to Norfolk was the highlight of his life.
WWII. The US sank a great many IJN troop transports. The sheer number of IJA troops killed in this fashion is mind boggling.
My grandfather joined the navy and sailed on the minesweeper the USS Rail 1919. His tour from Bremerton to Norfolk was the highlight of his life.
WWII. The US sank a great many IJN troop transports. The sheer number of IJA troops killed in this fashion is mind boggling.
Posted by: 13times at May 25, 2020 04:50 PM (K3B2k)
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78
You have to end wars and end them expeditiously. WW2 lasted 4 years. Look at this shit with islam we got ourselves into.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 25, 2020 04:46 PM (85Gof)
This islam shit has been going on since Jefferson.
You have to end wars and end them expeditiously. WW2 lasted 4 years. Look at this shit with islam we got ourselves into.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 25, 2020 04:46 PM (85Gof)
This islam shit has been going on since Jefferson.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 25, 2020 04:50 PM (ufFY8)
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>>The man who chooses not to be part of it--says The Great No to his generation's struggle--finds his life made smaller, every choice smaller, less meaningful. Knows it. Knows he would make the same choice again. Sad.
>>The idea seemed to have meaning for Spike, so I offer it to the Horde.
William Shakespeare had much the same thoughts.
The St Crispin's Day Speech from Henry V.
https://tinyurl.com/yczkucr9
>>The idea seemed to have meaning for Spike, so I offer it to the Horde.
William Shakespeare had much the same thoughts.
The St Crispin's Day Speech from Henry V.
https://tinyurl.com/yczkucr9
Posted by: JackStraw at May 25, 2020 04:51 PM (ZLI7S)
95
This islam shit has been going on since Jefferson.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 25, 2020 04:50 PM (ufFY
Sigh. Correct
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 25, 2020 04:50 PM (ufFY
Sigh. Correct
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 25, 2020 04:51 PM (85Gof)
96
War is painful, but going at it by half measure just prolongs it.
Posted by: Skip at May 25, 2020 04:51 PM (ZCEU2)
97
It's the idea that sticks with me: that every generation faces an event that will be the mark of that generation. The man who chooses to be part of it--says The Great Yes--may do so knowing it's dangerous, not the most reasonable choice, or even one he particularly wants to make, but he must. He becomes part of something larger than himself, and that informs the rest of his life.
Posted by: Wenda at May 25, 2020 04:31 PM (LJe6e)
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day
Posted by: Wenda at May 25, 2020 04:31 PM (LJe6e)
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day
Posted by: vmom with link to Muldoon's WW2 book at May 25, 2020 04:51 PM (G546f)
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In Flanders Fields.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar
Thank you.
The flower of civilized Britain died in WWI. The scar is still there.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar
Thank you.
The flower of civilized Britain died in WWI. The scar is still there.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:52 PM (u82oZ)
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Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 25, 2020 04:48 PM (9Om/r)
That would require genocide or a Stalin style occupation. Lucky for Islam , we are a Judeo/Christian nation. Unlucky for us for the time being.
That would require genocide or a Stalin style occupation. Lucky for Islam , we are a Judeo/Christian nation. Unlucky for us for the time being.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 04:52 PM (2DOZq)
100
We make a big deal out of the Japanese cities, but a friend from the Philipines pointed out to me that almost nobody seem to remember the destruction of Manila, necessitated when the Japanese defenders fortified themselves in the city and refused to surrender, while using the civilian population as human shield.
The "rape of Manila" is estimated to have cost about 1,000 American lives, 16,000 Japanese lives (all of them) and somewhere between 100,000 and 240,000 Philippino lives, all civilians. Manila, which had been one of the most beautiful cities in that part of the world, was completely destroyed.
The "rape of Manila" is estimated to have cost about 1,000 American lives, 16,000 Japanese lives (all of them) and somewhere between 100,000 and 240,000 Philippino lives, all civilians. Manila, which had been one of the most beautiful cities in that part of the world, was completely destroyed.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 25, 2020 04:54 PM (trdmm)
101
Thanks for putting me in your phone TeeJ! I got distracted by the top one hundred Beatles songs. We're on 8 now.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 04:54 PM (lwiT4)
102
The IJA armed all civilians they could in Kyushu. Even with spears. They were not going to give up.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:50 PM (u82oZ)
Unless the Emperor told them to. The internal conflict going on at the end in Japan is an interesting read.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:50 PM (u82oZ)
Unless the Emperor told them to. The internal conflict going on at the end in Japan is an interesting read.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 04:54 PM (2DOZq)
103
My inlaws are Filipino. Have spent many hours sitting and drinking with them. The stories are unspeakable. I explored the cave they, the other kids and the women were hidden in during the Japanese occupation and seen some of the jungle graveyards.
My inlaws are Filipino. Have spent many hours sitting and drinking with them. The stories are unspeakable. I explored the cave they, the other kids and the women were hidden in during the Japanese occupation and seen some of the jungle graveyards.
Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at May 25, 2020 04:54 PM (d6DSt)
104
It's a suicidal poem.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 25, 2020 04:55 PM (mWu8/)
105
Kilroy wasn't here
We are slowly educating and evolving Islam. One terrorist at a time. Af and Iraq was a tar baby.
The leaders of Saudi Arabia and Egypt have asked the great University in Cairo for a reformed Islam. But that was in 2017. Nothing heard since.
We are slowly educating and evolving Islam. One terrorist at a time. Af and Iraq was a tar baby.
The leaders of Saudi Arabia and Egypt have asked the great University in Cairo for a reformed Islam. But that was in 2017. Nothing heard since.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:55 PM (u82oZ)
106
Who is the Irishman that foresaw his death?
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 04:18 PM (2DOZq)
His name was Robert Gregory. He was an officer, but I do not remember his rank.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 04:18 PM (2DOZq)
His name was Robert Gregory. He was an officer, but I do not remember his rank.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2020 04:55 PM (dLLD6)
107
Twoards the end of internment by the japs, the guard tower machine guns, usually trained away from the camp, had been turned to cover the Inside of the prison camp. Auntie and Uncle expected to be massacred. Then one day a parachute... a brit with a subgun! Saved! The japs had fled.
Posted by: banned with the family lore at May 25, 2020 04:56 PM (dnhLL)
108
Ireland is a complicated issue in WW2.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 04:21 PM (2DOZq)
This was WWI.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 04:21 PM (2DOZq)
This was WWI.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2020 04:56 PM (dLLD6)
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88 I'm gonna say it: Irish Airman sounds like an asshole.
Yeats does have a way with words, though.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 25, 2020 04:48 PM (d1uFV)
Aren't all Irishmen assholes? But they make up for it by staying drunk most of the time.
Yeats does have a way with words, though.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 25, 2020 04:48 PM (d1uFV)
Aren't all Irishmen assholes? But they make up for it by staying drunk most of the time.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 25, 2020 04:56 PM (trdmm)
110
"Airspeed was controlled by turning the engine on and off."
Thrust not airspeed. I'm a flying grammar Nazi.
Thrust not airspeed. I'm a flying grammar Nazi.
Posted by: lowandslow at May 25, 2020 04:57 PM (4thlk)
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Kilroy wasn't here
Absolutely. The Emperor did something good at the end.
MacArthur used him well. He was a fair to poor general, with the occasional flashes of great, but he was a stellar Proconsul.
Absolutely. The Emperor did something good at the end.
MacArthur used him well. He was a fair to poor general, with the occasional flashes of great, but he was a stellar Proconsul.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:57 PM (u82oZ)
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We are slowly educating and evolving Islam. One terrorist at a time. Af and Iraq was a tar baby.
The leaders of Saudi Arabia and Egypt have asked the great University in Cairo for a reformed Islam. But that was in 2017. Nothing heard since.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:55 PM (u82oZ)
You are more optimistic that I am. I will fight till there is nothing left in me to fight with, but against Islam, I am afraid we are losing this one. In the UK, they made the public call to prayer temporarily allowable during the covid virus, and now they are discussing making it permanent.
The leaders of Saudi Arabia and Egypt have asked the great University in Cairo for a reformed Islam. But that was in 2017. Nothing heard since.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:55 PM (u82oZ)
You are more optimistic that I am. I will fight till there is nothing left in me to fight with, but against Islam, I am afraid we are losing this one. In the UK, they made the public call to prayer temporarily allowable during the covid virus, and now they are discussing making it permanent.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 25, 2020 04:58 PM (85Gof)
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My father was a WW2 vet, my brother was Vietnam vet and my husband was Desert Storm. They are my heroes, not movie stars, politicians or sports figures. Ordinary men doing what needed to be done.
Posted by: Megthered at May 25, 2020 04:58 PM (fcpQZ)
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>>> The man who chooses to be part of it--says The Great Yes
Posted by: Wenda at May 25, 2020 04:31 PM (LJe6e)
~~~~~
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers.
Posted by: Wenda at May 25, 2020 04:31 PM (LJe6e)
~~~~~
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers.
Posted by: IrishEi at May 25, 2020 04:58 PM (sGotD)
115
110 "Airspeed was controlled by turning the engine on and off."
Thrust not airspeed. I'm a flying grammar Nazi.
Posted by: lowandslow at May 25, 2020 04:57 PM (4thlk)
Just imagine how many times a pilot turned his engine off to slow down, maybe to get behind his opponent, and he tries to turn his engine back on and... nothing.
Thrust not airspeed. I'm a flying grammar Nazi.
Posted by: lowandslow at May 25, 2020 04:57 PM (4thlk)
Just imagine how many times a pilot turned his engine off to slow down, maybe to get behind his opponent, and he tries to turn his engine back on and... nothing.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 25, 2020 05:00 PM (trdmm)
116
Clearly a blockade, if it could have worked at all, would have dragged on and on, possibly for years, and would have been enormously unpopular in the U.S. The bombs were necessary. I just wondered if our leadership then considered that scenario. All we ever hear about now is the binary choice: Invasion or A-Bombs.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 25, 2020 05:00 PM (rpbg1)
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114 >>> The man who chooses to be part of it--says The Great Yes
Posted by: Wenda at May 25, 2020 04:31 PM (LJe6e)
~~~~~
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers.
Posted by: IrishEi at May 25, 2020 04:58 PM (sGotD)
AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO WEAR YOUR MASK!!!
Posted by: Wenda at May 25, 2020 04:31 PM (LJe6e)
~~~~~
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers.
Posted by: IrishEi at May 25, 2020 04:58 PM (sGotD)
AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO WEAR YOUR MASK!!!
Posted by: Karen at May 25, 2020 05:00 PM (trdmm)
118
Only country in the world to send official condolences to Germany after death of Hitler was announced? Ireland.
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 25, 2020 05:01 PM (ja/kn)
119
The flower of civilized Britain died in WWI. The scar is still there.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:52 PM (u82oZ)
That scar was reopened and bled dry in WW II.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:52 PM (u82oZ)
That scar was reopened and bled dry in WW II.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 25, 2020 05:01 PM (6wiwL)
120
I'm gonna say it: Irish Airman sounds like an asshole.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 25, 2020 04:48 PM (d1uFV)
He served honorably, even though he did not have to. He died for his country, and Yeats made clear in the poem that Gregory didn't think you were an asshole.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 25, 2020 04:48 PM (d1uFV)
He served honorably, even though he did not have to. He died for his country, and Yeats made clear in the poem that Gregory didn't think you were an asshole.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2020 05:01 PM (dLLD6)
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Thrust not airspeed. I'm a flying grammar Nazi.
Posted by: lowandslow at May 25, 2020 04:57 PM (4thlk)
And more or less thrust affects the flying airplane in what way?
Posted by: lowandslow at May 25, 2020 04:57 PM (4thlk)
And more or less thrust affects the flying airplane in what way?
Posted by: Braenyard at May 25, 2020 05:01 PM (mWu8/)
122
Nevergiveup
Europe, except for the Eastern former Warsaw Pact countries, have surrendered.
I see a fair amount of discussion in the Euro Militaries about retaking the country. Even in Sweden.
I'll bet there are plans. But no will from the leaders, who have sold out their native citizens into slavery.
Europe, except for the Eastern former Warsaw Pact countries, have surrendered.
I see a fair amount of discussion in the Euro Militaries about retaking the country. Even in Sweden.
I'll bet there are plans. But no will from the leaders, who have sold out their native citizens into slavery.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 05:01 PM (u82oZ)
123
Clearly a blockade, if it could have worked at all,
would have dragged on and on, possibly for years, and would have been
enormously unpopular in the U.S. The bombs were necessary. I just
wondered if our leadership then considered that scenario. All we ever
hear about now is the binary choice: Invasion or A-Bombs.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 25, 2020 05:00 PM (rpbg1)
They earned those fucking bombs, they begged for them. After all the shit they did its a shame we couldn't carpet bomb with them.
would have dragged on and on, possibly for years, and would have been
enormously unpopular in the U.S. The bombs were necessary. I just
wondered if our leadership then considered that scenario. All we ever
hear about now is the binary choice: Invasion or A-Bombs.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 25, 2020 05:00 PM (rpbg1)
They earned those fucking bombs, they begged for them. After all the shit they did its a shame we couldn't carpet bomb with them.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 25, 2020 05:02 PM (9Om/r)
124
It reminded me of a poem that I think describes those of us in that cohort. It's called "Il Refuto"--Greek, translates as The Great No. Lots of translations out there, none particularly good.
Posted by: Wenda at May 25, 2020 04:31 PM
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Wenda, your post intrigued me. After struggling with my google-foo I found this. Cavafy was a Greek 20th century poet.
Che Fece ... Il Gran Rifiuto
For some people the day comes
when they have to declare the great Yes
or the great No. It’s clear at once who has the Yes
ready within him; and saying it,
he goes from honor to honor, strong in his conviction.
He who refuses does not repent. Asked again,
he’d still say no. Yet that no—the right no—
drags him down all his life.
By C. P. Cavafy (Translated by Edmund Keeley)
Posted by: Wenda at May 25, 2020 04:31 PM
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Wenda, your post intrigued me. After struggling with my google-foo I found this. Cavafy was a Greek 20th century poet.
Che Fece ... Il Gran Rifiuto
For some people the day comes
when they have to declare the great Yes
or the great No. It’s clear at once who has the Yes
ready within him; and saying it,
he goes from honor to honor, strong in his conviction.
He who refuses does not repent. Asked again,
he’d still say no. Yet that no—the right no—
drags him down all his life.
By C. P. Cavafy (Translated by Edmund Keeley)
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at May 25, 2020 05:02 PM (Dhht7)
125
Spend some time reading modern Irish history and it's hard to escape the conclusion that the best ones got out.
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 25, 2020 05:02 PM (ja/kn)
126
You are more optimistic that I am. I will fight till there is nothing left in me to fight with, but against Islam, I am afraid we are losing this one. In the UK, they made the public call to prayer temporarily allowable during the covid virus, and now they are discussing making it permanent.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 25, 2020 04:58 PM (85Gof)
Coming soon to a US city near you, I fear!
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 25, 2020 04:58 PM (85Gof)
Coming soon to a US city near you, I fear!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 25, 2020 05:02 PM (6wiwL)
127
The poem is about Lady Gregory's son, so not a poor person himself. I memorized this poem in high school, (mumble mumble) years ago and I really enjoyed seeing it again. Thank you for putting it on the blog today.
Posted by: Leftcoast at May 25, 2020 05:03 PM (qGi7w)
128
Hovering there I've chased the shouting wind along
and flung my eager craft through footless halls of air.
. . .
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020
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What a neat image.
I counted the lines: 13, so not quite a sonnet, but close.
and flung my eager craft through footless halls of air.
. . .
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020
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What a neat image.
I counted the lines: 13, so not quite a sonnet, but close.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 25, 2020 05:03 PM (rpbg1)
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Commissar Hrothgar
Sad but true. There were flashes of greatness, but none recently.
The police over there are little Gestapo types that hate their countrymen.
I had my own run in with customs police at Heathrow in 2019.
Sad but true. There were flashes of greatness, but none recently.
The police over there are little Gestapo types that hate their countrymen.
I had my own run in with customs police at Heathrow in 2019.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 05:03 PM (u82oZ)
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Thrust not airspeed. I'm a flying grammar Nazi.
Posted by: lowandslow at May 25, 2020 04:57 PM (4thlk)
~~~~~
My USAF son has a tee shirt that says, "In thrust we trust."
Posted by: lowandslow at May 25, 2020 04:57 PM (4thlk)
~~~~~
My USAF son has a tee shirt that says, "In thrust we trust."
Posted by: IrishEi at May 25, 2020 05:03 PM (sGotD)
131
The St Crispin's Day Speech from Henry V.
https://tinyurl.com/yczkucr9
Posted by: JackStraw at May 25, 2020 04:51 PM (ZLI7S)
My favorite piece from Shakespeare.
https://tinyurl.com/yczkucr9
Posted by: JackStraw at May 25, 2020 04:51 PM (ZLI7S)
My favorite piece from Shakespeare.
Posted by: browndog at May 25, 2020 05:03 PM (gD6Ka)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 05:04 PM (u82oZ)
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And more or less thrust affects the flying airplane in what way?
Posted by: Braenyard at May 25, 2020 05:01 PM (mWu8/)
With thrust, you can go up or down.
Without thrust, you can go down!
Posted by: Braenyard at May 25, 2020 05:01 PM (mWu8/)
With thrust, you can go up or down.
Without thrust, you can go down!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 25, 2020 05:05 PM (6wiwL)
134
"Just imagine how many times a pilot turned his engine off to slow down,
maybe to get behind his opponent, and he tries to turn his engine back
on and... nothing."
Didn't happen much in the air the rotary engine worked as an giant inertia starter. As long the engine kept spinning it started right up.
maybe to get behind his opponent, and he tries to turn his engine back
on and... nothing."
Didn't happen much in the air the rotary engine worked as an giant inertia starter. As long the engine kept spinning it started right up.
Posted by: lowandslow at May 25, 2020 05:05 PM (4thlk)
135
The American Legion Auxillary in my hometown would sell handmade paper poppies around Memorial Day. Now they're massed produced in China. Sad..
Posted by: Aud at May 25, 2020 05:05 PM (uBywd)
136
Oh, thank you, Old Dog! Haven't read it for a while. Yeah, I think we can all identify with The Great Yes. It's The Great No that was new to me, and that I watched play out through my older brother's life.
Posted by: Wenda at May 25, 2020 05:05 PM (LJe6e)
137
I hate poetry but Yeats is the mackdaddy pimp of wordsmiths. Second Coming is amazing.
Posted by: James OBrien at May 25, 2020 05:05 PM (G9ctU)
138
The bombs were necessary. I just
wondered if our leadership then considered that scenario. All we ever hear about now is the binary choice: Invasion or A-Bombs.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 25, 2020 05:00 PM (rpbg1)
They earned those fucking bombs, they begged for them. After all the shit they did its a shame we couldn't carpet bomb with them.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 25, 2020
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Agreed without reservation. I just wondered if the military leadership at that time had considered blockade, since we never hear about that now.
wondered if our leadership then considered that scenario. All we ever hear about now is the binary choice: Invasion or A-Bombs.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 25, 2020 05:00 PM (rpbg1)
They earned those fucking bombs, they begged for them. After all the shit they did its a shame we couldn't carpet bomb with them.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 25, 2020
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Agreed without reservation. I just wondered if the military leadership at that time had considered blockade, since we never hear about that now.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 25, 2020 05:05 PM (rpbg1)
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91 NaughtyPine
The IJA armed all civilians they could in Kyushu. Even with spears. They were not going to give up.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:50 PM
That's why it burns me when people born in the 1980s second-guess the dropping of the bombs, judging the Japanese of yesteryear according to their Japanese friends. The Rape of Nanking and other atrocities were covered up and most people preferred to forget. Dr. Toshio Tono, who gathered all the evidence about vivisection of POWs, had guts to stand up to the people who covered it up.
The IJA armed all civilians they could in Kyushu. Even with spears. They were not going to give up.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 04:50 PM
That's why it burns me when people born in the 1980s second-guess the dropping of the bombs, judging the Japanese of yesteryear according to their Japanese friends. The Rape of Nanking and other atrocities were covered up and most people preferred to forget. Dr. Toshio Tono, who gathered all the evidence about vivisection of POWs, had guts to stand up to the people who covered it up.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at May 25, 2020 05:05 PM (/+bwe)
140
You are more optimistic that I am. I will fight till there is nothing left in me to fight with, but against Islam, I am afraid we are losing this one. In the UK, they made the public call to prayer temporarily allowable during the covid virus, and now they are discussing making it permanent.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 25, 2020 04:58 PM (85Gof)
Islam is one of the things I worry about the least, because it's dying. It's too rigid to cope with the images of prosperity and modernity that are broadcast to all of them every day, that's what this backlash from the True Believers is all about. Other's have written about this, the reason the Palestinian situation is fizzling out is that most all of the Palestinians who wanted to die for The Cause have already done it, and the money has run out for paying them to keep on.
No, what I worry about is the rot inside our OWN society, seeking every day to destroy us from within. That's more dangerous to us than all of the Islamists who ever existed.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 25, 2020 04:58 PM (85Gof)
Islam is one of the things I worry about the least, because it's dying. It's too rigid to cope with the images of prosperity and modernity that are broadcast to all of them every day, that's what this backlash from the True Believers is all about. Other's have written about this, the reason the Palestinian situation is fizzling out is that most all of the Palestinians who wanted to die for The Cause have already done it, and the money has run out for paying them to keep on.
No, what I worry about is the rot inside our OWN society, seeking every day to destroy us from within. That's more dangerous to us than all of the Islamists who ever existed.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 25, 2020 05:05 PM (trdmm)
141
But no will from the leaders, who have sold out their native citizens into slavery.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 05:01 PM (u82oZ)
Yup.
No Winstons Spencer Churchill's on the Horizon
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 05:01 PM (u82oZ)
Yup.
No Winstons Spencer Churchill's on the Horizon
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 25, 2020 05:07 PM (85Gof)
142
With thrust you also go faster
without thrust you go slower
without thrust you go slower
Posted by: Braenyard at May 25, 2020 05:07 PM (mWu8/)
143
In the Philippines during WW2 there was a group of Japanese collaboraters (who ironically called themselves hero patriots) most infamous for pointing out rebel supporters while literally wearing a straw bag on their head
this photo is from a movie I think, but basic idea
https://preview.tinyurl.com/ybl7fqnp
this photo is from a movie I think, but basic idea
https://preview.tinyurl.com/ybl7fqnp
Posted by: vmom with link to Muldoon's WW2 book at May 25, 2020 05:07 PM (G546f)
144
@72...""good" is the most ridiculous word in the English language"
posted by: REDACTED
Wrong. It's "best".
posted by: REDACTED
Wrong. It's "best".
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 25, 2020 05:08 PM (ja/kn)
145
143 they called themselves MAKAPILI
Posted by: vmom with link to Muldoon's WW2 book at May 25, 2020 05:08 PM (G546f)
146
But no will from the leaders, who have sold out their native citizens into slavery.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 05:01 PM (u82oZ)
Yup.
No Winstons Spencer Churchill's on the Horizon
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 25, 2020
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He would be shamed as a hater nowadays, and if he were a young boy, probably doped into acquiescence.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 05:01 PM (u82oZ)
Yup.
No Winstons Spencer Churchill's on the Horizon
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 25, 2020
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He would be shamed as a hater nowadays, and if he were a young boy, probably doped into acquiescence.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 25, 2020 05:08 PM (rpbg1)
147
The British Isles have eternally cranked out the best in the arts. Well, not paint daubing arts, perhaps. More like words, and thespian stuff.
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 05:09 PM (bCLt0)
148
125 Spend some time reading modern Irish history and it's hard to escape the conclusion that the best ones got out.
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 25, 2020 05:02 PM (ja/kn)
Not just Ireland - look at Scotland today, the home of a big pack of drunks on government assistance and little else.
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 25, 2020 05:02 PM (ja/kn)
Not just Ireland - look at Scotland today, the home of a big pack of drunks on government assistance and little else.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 25, 2020 05:09 PM (trdmm)
149
Posted by: vmom with link to Muldoon's WW2 book at May 25, 2020 05:07 PM (G546f)
There are always traitors amongst us!
There are always traitors amongst us!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 25, 2020 05:09 PM (6wiwL)
150
The St Crispin's Day Speech from Henry V.
https://tinyurl.com/yczkucr9
Posted by: JackStraw at May 25, 2020 04:51
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As done by Kenneth Brannagh.
https://youtu.be/y1BhnepZnoo?t=36
https://tinyurl.com/yczkucr9
Posted by: JackStraw at May 25, 2020 04:51
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As done by Kenneth Brannagh.
https://youtu.be/y1BhnepZnoo?t=36
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at May 25, 2020 05:09 PM (Dhht7)
151
While we are honoring the fallen on Memorial Day, take a moment to also remember the service men and women, as well as the families, that suffered from drug abuse, alcoholism, depression, PTSD that were service related. Just because you cant see the wound, does not mean it does not exist. I still miss you, Mike....wish I could have done more for you, but in the end, you opted to opt out. IF there is an afterlife, and IF I meet you there, I will give you a great big hug, then kick your ass......
Posted by: jasonj at May 25, 2020 05:09 PM (qSQLQ)
152
If I were an OPS planner, I would look at evacuation requirements for US forces from Europe, then at how to get the kindred folks in EU and South Africa to replace illegals here.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 05:09 PM (u82oZ)
153
The American Legion Auxillary in my hometown would
sell handmade paper poppies around Memorial Day. Now they're massed
produced in China. Sad..
Posted by: Aud at May 25, 2020 05:05 PM
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The VFW Poppies are hand made in the USA. The VA here in Bonham TX has a contract to make them using people in the drug/alcohol rehab program.
Gives them some spending money.
sell handmade paper poppies around Memorial Day. Now they're massed
produced in China. Sad..
Posted by: Aud at May 25, 2020 05:05 PM
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The VFW Poppies are hand made in the USA. The VA here in Bonham TX has a contract to make them using people in the drug/alcohol rehab program.
Gives them some spending money.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 25, 2020 05:10 PM (JUOKG)
154
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 25, 2020 05:05 PM (trdmm)
yeah gotta disagree with you on the Palestinians. No dying out of their desire to drive Israel into the sea...But Islam takes the long view. Factors do not offer a good opportunity for that now, so they go into an hibernation of sorts. As Israel society weakens itself, it will blossom and reassert itself. Count on it
yeah gotta disagree with you on the Palestinians. No dying out of their desire to drive Israel into the sea...But Islam takes the long view. Factors do not offer a good opportunity for that now, so they go into an hibernation of sorts. As Israel society weakens itself, it will blossom and reassert itself. Count on it
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 25, 2020 05:10 PM (85Gof)
155
148 125 Spend some time reading modern Irish history and it's hard to escape the conclusion that the best ones got out.
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 25, 2020 05:02 PM (ja/kn)
Not just Ireland - look at Scotland today, the home of a big pack of drunks on government assistance and little else.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 25, 2020 05:09 PM (trdmm)
Yep.
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 25, 2020 05:02 PM (ja/kn)
Not just Ireland - look at Scotland today, the home of a big pack of drunks on government assistance and little else.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 25, 2020 05:09 PM (trdmm)
Yep.
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 05:10 PM (bCLt0)
156
If I were an OPS planner, I would look at evacuation requirements for US forces from Europe, then at how to get the kindred folks in EU and South Africa to replace illegals here.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 05:09 PM (u82oZ)
Now I understand why you have political "difficulties"!
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 05:09 PM (u82oZ)
Now I understand why you have political "difficulties"!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 25, 2020 05:11 PM (6wiwL)
157
Wolfus Aurelius
WSC's observations on Islam in The River War were spot on.
Today they are specifically "Hate Speach" in the UK. 120 years later. I get a sad to think about it.
WSC's observations on Islam in The River War were spot on.
Today they are specifically "Hate Speach" in the UK. 120 years later. I get a sad to think about it.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 05:11 PM (u82oZ)
158
Ireland is often called the land of happy wars and sad love songs because they've gone off to fight for every cause but their own. They're called the Wild Geese, and there's actually a museum of them in Galway (I think.)
Posted by: IrishEi at May 25, 2020 05:12 PM (sGotD)
159
Nations can be blessed, but the blessing can be removed. Just my opinion.
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 05:12 PM (bCLt0)
160
Zip it, KAREN!!!!
Posted by: IrishEi at May 25, 2020 05:12 PM (sGotD)
161
"With thrust you also go faster, without thrust you go slower"
You can also trade altitude for speed, less drag for speed, etc., etc. The most important aspect of thrust is to create airflow over the wings by pushing the airplane. You increase airspeed by manipulating the trust available to your maximum benefit.
You can also trade altitude for speed, less drag for speed, etc., etc. The most important aspect of thrust is to create airflow over the wings by pushing the airplane. You increase airspeed by manipulating the trust available to your maximum benefit.
Posted by: lowandslow at May 25, 2020 05:13 PM (4thlk)
162
I'm just now finishing up "Indestructible" the story od Pappy Gunn in the Pacific. His family was taken by the Japanese in the Philippines, while he pretty much re-tooled weapons and tactics for the entire Army Air Corps. It's an incredible story. And the brief descriptions of the horrors of the Japanese will live with me forever.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 25, 2020 05:13 PM (7Fj9P)
163
Commissar Hrothgar
Return on equity, my dear chum. ROE.
Besides, contingency planning is for filing the crazy scenarios during the 'Holy Shit, get that file" times.
Return on equity, my dear chum. ROE.
Besides, contingency planning is for filing the crazy scenarios during the 'Holy Shit, get that file" times.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 05:14 PM (u82oZ)
164
Maybe nations can be cursed too. You see a lot of countries in the world that always seem to be in the ditch.
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 05:14 PM (bCLt0)
165
160 Zip it, KAREN!!!!
Posted by: IrishEi at May 25, 2020 05:12 PM (sGotD)
Did we fight all these wars for the right to be ruled by the Karenwaffen?
Posted by: IrishEi at May 25, 2020 05:12 PM (sGotD)
Did we fight all these wars for the right to be ruled by the Karenwaffen?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 25, 2020 05:14 PM (6wiwL)
166
152 If I were an OPS planner, I would look at evacuation requirements for US forces from Europe, then at how to get the kindred folks in EU and South Africa to replace illegals here.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 05:09 PM (u82oZ)
https://tinyurl.com/y7qx5dhs twitter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrA9rcF49LY
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 05:09 PM (u82oZ)
https://tinyurl.com/y7qx5dhs twitter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrA9rcF49LY
Posted by: Braenyard at May 25, 2020 05:14 PM (mWu8/)
167
Memorial Day Greetings
I think I understand the poem and I've enjoyed reading all of your thoughts on it and the additional poems.
Many "war"poems are patriotic, a call to arms as it were, and that speaks to many hearts. This one feels neutral. An acceptance of war as one of life's experiences.
It made me think of Eowyn's "life in a cage" speech, the Bible verse that states "I would have despaired if I did not think I would find hope in the land of the living" and a line from (I think) How Green was My Valley to the effect of "he knew his actions would make little difference but he did what he could to make life better for those around him."
I think I understand the poem and I've enjoyed reading all of your thoughts on it and the additional poems.
Many "war"poems are patriotic, a call to arms as it were, and that speaks to many hearts. This one feels neutral. An acceptance of war as one of life's experiences.
It made me think of Eowyn's "life in a cage" speech, the Bible verse that states "I would have despaired if I did not think I would find hope in the land of the living" and a line from (I think) How Green was My Valley to the effect of "he knew his actions would make little difference but he did what he could to make life better for those around him."
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at May 25, 2020 05:15 PM (IDhUW)
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165 160 Zip it, KAREN!!!!
Posted by: IrishEi at May 25, 2020 05:12 PM (sGotD)
Did we fight all these wars for the right to be ruled by the Karenwaffen?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 25, 2020 05:14 PM (6wiwL)
Do Karewaffen have snappy woke uniforms??
Posted by: IrishEi at May 25, 2020 05:12 PM (sGotD)
Did we fight all these wars for the right to be ruled by the Karenwaffen?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 25, 2020 05:14 PM (6wiwL)
Do Karewaffen have snappy woke uniforms??
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 05:15 PM (bCLt0)
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Waiting for all the Illinois people to go back to their hell hole so we can go out for pizza. I swear I don't see a Wisconsin license plate in sight.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:15 PM (lwiT4)
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Commissar Hrothgar
While we were overseas, they were sitting in meetings to get this exact outcome. We took our eyes off the ball.
I think we can get back, but OPSEC.
While we were overseas, they were sitting in meetings to get this exact outcome. We took our eyes off the ball.
I think we can get back, but OPSEC.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 05:15 PM (u82oZ)
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125 Spend some time reading modern Irish history and it's hard to escape the conclusion that the best ones got out.
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 25, 2020 05:02 PM (ja/kn)
To be fair, it's America that did the Irish-Americans good. G.K. Chesterton pointed out that in England, people said, "If only the Irish would get involved" in politics, the community, etc. He seemed delighted by the law enforcement, mutual-aid societies, etc. that they had.
He also pointed out that if someone immigrated to various countries in Europe, they and their children would not be considered a real citizen. But the US made everyone into an American. I wish I could find the book; it's a great passage.
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 25, 2020 05:02 PM (ja/kn)
To be fair, it's America that did the Irish-Americans good. G.K. Chesterton pointed out that in England, people said, "If only the Irish would get involved" in politics, the community, etc. He seemed delighted by the law enforcement, mutual-aid societies, etc. that they had.
He also pointed out that if someone immigrated to various countries in Europe, they and their children would not be considered a real citizen. But the US made everyone into an American. I wish I could find the book; it's a great passage.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at May 25, 2020 05:16 PM (/+bwe)
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Besides, contingency planning is for filing the crazy scenarios during the 'Holy Shit, get that file" times.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 05:14 PM (u82oZ)
I think I am getting more and more ready to dust off and implement a few of those contingency plans!
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 05:14 PM (u82oZ)
I think I am getting more and more ready to dust off and implement a few of those contingency plans!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 25, 2020 05:16 PM (6wiwL)
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You increase airspeed by manipulating the thrust available to your maximum benefit.
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I never realized this about great pilots, but by constantly maintaining the optimal pitch and yaw, you can go further, faster while spending less fuel.
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I never realized this about great pilots, but by constantly maintaining the optimal pitch and yaw, you can go further, faster while spending less fuel.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 25, 2020 05:16 PM (7Fj9P)
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169 Waiting for all the Illinois people to go back to their hell hole so we can go out for pizza. I swear I don't see a Wisconsin license plate in sight.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:15 PM (lwiT4)
Well, they brought that sweet, sweet cash, anyway!!
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:15 PM (lwiT4)
Well, they brought that sweet, sweet cash, anyway!!
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 05:16 PM (bCLt0)
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Our family has a military history that goes back to the Revolutionary War.
We span the Branches, and the service ranges from one and done to a career.
I remember relatives from WW1, Dad's war was WW2, my brother was Korea and mine was Vietnam. There are cousins for both Gulf Wars and probably any less publicized conflict active now.
I am inordinately proud to have had even a small part in defending my nation and would do it again in a heartbeat.
Our family has a military history that goes back to the Revolutionary War.
We span the Branches, and the service ranges from one and done to a career.
I remember relatives from WW1, Dad's war was WW2, my brother was Korea and mine was Vietnam. There are cousins for both Gulf Wars and probably any less publicized conflict active now.
I am inordinately proud to have had even a small part in defending my nation and would do it again in a heartbeat.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 25, 2020 05:17 PM (KATBx)
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True tubal, there is that.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:17 PM (lwiT4)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Fewer than 1,000 healthcare workers WORLDWIDE have died from COVID-19 at May 25, 2020 05:17 PM (aden2)
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Did we fight all these wars for the right to be ruled by the Karenwaffen?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 25, 2020 05:14 PM (6wiwL)
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No! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 25, 2020 05:14 PM (6wiwL)
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No! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!
Posted by: IrishEi at May 25, 2020 05:17 PM (sGotD)
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All the combat vets in my family from WWI, WWII, Korea, and vietnam are gone. The last vet in my family, an uncle (WWII), died in 2010. He got reunited with his wife, my aunt, at 11 this morning. I guess memorial day is going to take on a whole different meaning from here on. She was the last of my mom's siblings that was still alive. At 92 she outlived them all. I'm somewhat happy for her that they're all together again.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 25, 2020 05:18 PM (9Om/r)
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"It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather, we should thank God that such men lived."
General George S. Patton Jr
"It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather, we should thank God that such men lived."
General George S. Patton Jr
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 25, 2020 05:18 PM (i6uJ1)
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161 "With thrust you also go faster, without thrust you go slower"
You can also trade altitude for speed, less drag for speed, etc., etc. The most important aspect of thrust is to create airflow over the wings by pushing the airplane. You increase airspeed by manipulating the trust available to your maximum benefit.
Posted by: lowandslow at May 25, 2020 05:13 PM (4thlk)
Yes, and in the referred biplanes it was done by turning the engine on and off.
You can also trade altitude for speed, less drag for speed, etc., etc. The most important aspect of thrust is to create airflow over the wings by pushing the airplane. You increase airspeed by manipulating the trust available to your maximum benefit.
Posted by: lowandslow at May 25, 2020 05:13 PM (4thlk)
Yes, and in the referred biplanes it was done by turning the engine on and off.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 25, 2020 05:18 PM (mWu8/)
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did you see this? Here's some interesting news from the CDC. Wow! The Knockout Blow to the Lock down!
CDC admitting the real death rate for COVID is only .0026.
A quarter of one percent!
CDC just came out with a report that should be earth-shattering to the narrative of the political class, yet it will go into the thick pile of vital data and information about the virus that is not getting out to the public. For the first time, the CDC has attempted to offer a real estimate of the overall death rate for COVID-19, and under its most likely scenario, the number is 0.26%. Officials estimate a 0.4% fatality rate among those who are symptomatic and project a 35% rate of asymptomatic cases among those infected, which drops the overall infection fatality rate (IFR) to just 0.26% - almost exactly where Stanford researchers pegged it a month ago.
CDC admitting the real death rate for COVID is only .0026.
A quarter of one percent!
CDC just came out with a report that should be earth-shattering to the narrative of the political class, yet it will go into the thick pile of vital data and information about the virus that is not getting out to the public. For the first time, the CDC has attempted to offer a real estimate of the overall death rate for COVID-19, and under its most likely scenario, the number is 0.26%. Officials estimate a 0.4% fatality rate among those who are symptomatic and project a 35% rate of asymptomatic cases among those infected, which drops the overall infection fatality rate (IFR) to just 0.26% - almost exactly where Stanford researchers pegged it a month ago.
Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at May 25, 2020 05:18 PM (8RJyI)
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Thank you irongrampa, sincerely.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:18 PM (lwiT4)
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Waiting for all the Illinois people to go back to their hell hole so we can go out for pizza. I swear I don't see a Wisconsin license plate in sight.
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Sounds like Gulf Shores, Alabama during the winter months.
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Sounds like Gulf Shores, Alabama during the winter months.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Fewer than 1,000 healthcare workers WORLDWIDE have died from COVID-19 at May 25, 2020 05:19 PM (aden2)
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I imagine glide times would have been pretty good for those old airplanes??
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 05:19 PM (bCLt0)
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Braenyard
Yes. I saw that the day after the interview. It was on Gates of Vienna. That is an excellent blog to understand what we are up against.
Yes. I saw that the day after the interview. It was on Gates of Vienna. That is an excellent blog to understand what we are up against.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 05:19 PM (u82oZ)
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Assimilation was once expected . Now it's cursed as racism.
I should have that printed on a bumpersticker in 98 languages .
I should have that printed on a bumpersticker in 98 languages .
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 05:19 PM (2DOZq)
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Do Karewaffen have snappy woke uniforms??
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 05:15 PM
Hugo Boss pantsuits.
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 05:15 PM
Hugo Boss pantsuits.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 25, 2020 05:20 PM (rBtIz)
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After a couple books on Nanking you will be dispensed of any good feelings for Imperial Japan.
Posted by: Skip at May 25, 2020 05:20 PM (ZCEU2)
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"I never realized this about great pilots, but by constantly maintaining
the optimal pitch and yaw, you can go further, faster while spending
less fuel."
Back in the Golden Days of air racing Steve Wittman won a lot of races not by having the most power but by his designs and superior skills as a pilot.
the optimal pitch and yaw, you can go further, faster while spending
less fuel."
Back in the Golden Days of air racing Steve Wittman won a lot of races not by having the most power but by his designs and superior skills as a pilot.
Posted by: lowandslow at May 25, 2020 05:20 PM (4thlk)
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187 Assimilation was once expected . Now it's cursed as racism.
I should have that printed on a bumpersticker in 98 languages .
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 05:19 PM (2DOZq)
COEXIST pretty well does that.
I should have that printed on a bumpersticker in 98 languages .
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 05:19 PM (2DOZq)
COEXIST pretty well does that.
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 05:21 PM (bCLt0)
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Beserker, they are both now enfolded in the arms of G-D.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 25, 2020 05:21 PM (G3ow5)
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Berserker - my condolences on the passing of your aunt.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:21 PM (lwiT4)
Posted by: thathalfrican - Clark Kent with the glasses off at May 25, 2020 05:22 PM (WM0rV)
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irongrampa.
Belated Happy Birthday wishes.
You eloquently said what I feel. But mr families tradition of service only started in WWI.
When old prison records are digitized and filed, I may be able to go back further.
Belated Happy Birthday wishes.
You eloquently said what I feel. But mr families tradition of service only started in WWI.
When old prison records are digitized and filed, I may be able to go back further.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 05:22 PM (u82oZ)
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He also pointed out that if someone immigrated to various countries in Europe, they and their children would not be considered a real citizen. But the US made everyone into an American. I wish I could find the book; it's a great passage.
Posted by: NaughtyPine at May 25, 2020 05:16 PM (/+bwe)
Think the great Ronald Reagan said something along those lines.
My paraphrase: You can emigrate to Britain (or elsewhere) but you can never become British no matter how hard you try, but if you emigrate legally to the US, you can become an American if you want to!
Posted by: NaughtyPine at May 25, 2020 05:16 PM (/+bwe)
Think the great Ronald Reagan said something along those lines.
My paraphrase: You can emigrate to Britain (or elsewhere) but you can never become British no matter how hard you try, but if you emigrate legally to the US, you can become an American if you want to!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 25, 2020 05:22 PM (6wiwL)
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Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at May 25, 2020 05:18 PM (8RJyI)
Do you have a link to the CDC report?
Do you have a link to the CDC report?
Posted by: Sigmund Freud at May 25, 2020 05:23 PM (CLteG)
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this photo is from a movie I think, but basic idea
https://preview.tinyurl.com/ybl7fqnp
Posted by: vmom with link to Muldoon's WW2 book at May 25, 2020 05:07 PM (G546f)
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i got "404"
this photo is from a movie I think, but basic idea
https://preview.tinyurl.com/ybl7fqnp
Posted by: vmom with link to Muldoon's WW2 book at May 25, 2020 05:07 PM (G546f)
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i got "404"
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 25, 2020 05:23 PM (i6uJ1)
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Waiting for all the Illinois people to go back to their hell hole so we
can go out for pizza. I swear I don't see a Wisconsin license plate in
sight.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:15 PM (lwiT4)
Word is Madigan told Jabba to reopen the state so things should start to reopen this Friday and to open even more than was originally in Jabba's Phase 3. After destroying countless jobs and businesses Illinois state workers are scheduled to get pay raises on July 1. The lamp posts around here look very bare
Waiting for all the Illinois people to go back to their hell hole so we
can go out for pizza. I swear I don't see a Wisconsin license plate in
sight.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:15 PM (lwiT4)
Word is Madigan told Jabba to reopen the state so things should start to reopen this Friday and to open even more than was originally in Jabba's Phase 3. After destroying countless jobs and businesses Illinois state workers are scheduled to get pay raises on July 1. The lamp posts around here look very bare
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 25, 2020 05:23 PM (lHa/4)
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Assimilation was once expected . Now it's cursed as racism.
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That's amazing to consider.
Us- "We believe everyone is capable of self fulfillment if given equal opportunity, and all colors can be productive, informed, capable Americans regardless of their parents, neighborhoods, or backgrounds."
Them - Racist!!!
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That's amazing to consider.
Us- "We believe everyone is capable of self fulfillment if given equal opportunity, and all colors can be productive, informed, capable Americans regardless of their parents, neighborhoods, or backgrounds."
Them - Racist!!!
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Fewer than 1,000 healthcare workers WORLDWIDE have died from COVID-19 at May 25, 2020 05:24 PM (aden2)
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Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 25, 2020 05:18 PM (9Om/r
Condolences. I've lost 7 uncles and aunts these past five years. Worse thing about getting older.
Condolences. I've lost 7 uncles and aunts these past five years. Worse thing about getting older.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 05:25 PM (2DOZq)
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Over 1,000 Russian and Syrian mercenary fighters in Libya retreated from Tripolis frontlines to a town south of the capital on Sunday following a Turkish-backed military intervention, Bloomberg reported on Sunday.
Hope they kill each other
Hope they kill each other
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 25, 2020 05:25 PM (85Gof)
203
I've watched Fly Wild Alaska
It has some fascinating information about flying.
It has some fascinating information about flying.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 25, 2020 05:25 PM (8Fdcq)
204
There have been a few references to Irish Democracy lately so I looked it up.
It defines my attitude pretty well.
I also feel tho that the passive resistance will turn to active resistance at some point and then Kipling's poem about "began to hate" becomes relevant.
It defines my attitude pretty well.
I also feel tho that the passive resistance will turn to active resistance at some point and then Kipling's poem about "began to hate" becomes relevant.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at May 25, 2020 05:25 PM (IDhUW)
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TheQuietMan - phase 3? I have to see if that op ens the churches up. From memory, I think maybe it's not till phase 4.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:25 PM (lwiT4)
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Posted by: Sigmund Freud at May 25, 2020 05:23 PM (CLteG)
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Should be on their site but a Good Friend tagged me in it on Fascistbook
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Should be on their site but a Good Friend tagged me in it on Fascistbook
Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at May 25, 2020 05:26 PM (H22GW)
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My paraphrase: You can emigrate to Britain (or
elsewhere) but you can never become British no matter how hard you try,
but if you emigrate legally to the US, you can become an American if you
want to!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 25, 2020 05:22 PM
^^^ This. "American" isn't an ethnicity. It's an allegiance to a set of ideas. Embrace them, you're my countryman. Turn your back on them, you're no countryman of mine, no matter where you live.
elsewhere) but you can never become British no matter how hard you try,
but if you emigrate legally to the US, you can become an American if you
want to!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 25, 2020 05:22 PM
^^^ This. "American" isn't an ethnicity. It's an allegiance to a set of ideas. Embrace them, you're my countryman. Turn your back on them, you're no countryman of mine, no matter where you live.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 25, 2020 05:26 PM (rBtIz)
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Are there any good WWI public domain books written from the perspective of a working class soldier?
I know of two books. One was written by a Canadian. He was captured by the Germans very early in the war and sent to a PoW camp. His book revolves around prison camp life and attempts at escaping and making his way out of Germany. I simply dont recall the name of the book, but it was a good read.
Over the Top was authored by an American.
Diary of a Nursing Sister on the Western Front.
Are there any good WWI public domain books written from the perspective of a working class soldier?
I know of two books. One was written by a Canadian. He was captured by the Germans very early in the war and sent to a PoW camp. His book revolves around prison camp life and attempts at escaping and making his way out of Germany. I simply dont recall the name of the book, but it was a good read.
Over the Top was authored by an American.
Diary of a Nursing Sister on the Western Front.
Posted by: 13times at May 25, 2020 05:28 PM (K3B2k)
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"It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather, we should thank God that such men lived."
General George S. Patton Jr
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 25, 2020 05:18 PM (i6uJ1)
I think a great nation can and should do both.
General George S. Patton Jr
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 25, 2020 05:18 PM (i6uJ1)
I think a great nation can and should do both.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2020 05:30 PM (dLLD6)
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TheQuietMan - phase 3? I have to see if that op ens the churches up. From memory, I think maybe it's not till phase 4.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:25 PM (lwiT4)
Phase 3 is all retail and now includes restaurants and barbers (YES!!!) I think churches are still limited to 10 people. But the DoJ joined the lawsuit against Jabba to reopen the state. It think the idiot is starting to feel the heat. The state is now another $7 billion in the hole due to the shut down. Good time to give state workers a raise
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:25 PM (lwiT4)
Phase 3 is all retail and now includes restaurants and barbers (YES!!!) I think churches are still limited to 10 people. But the DoJ joined the lawsuit against Jabba to reopen the state. It think the idiot is starting to feel the heat. The state is now another $7 billion in the hole due to the shut down. Good time to give state workers a raise
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 25, 2020 05:30 PM (lHa/4)
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As to Illinois, Mike Madigan runs Illinois. Period. Do not be deceived by that gargantuan placeholder that currently plays the role of Governor.
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 05:30 PM (bCLt0)
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I post this, as I do every Memorial Day, because it is all that I can do. I do not forget, and I will not forget.
Other people could make longer lists, but this is mine. Friends, comrades-in-arms. Requiescat in pace guys, I think about you often.
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ROBERT NELSON MORDEN
PFC - E2 - Marine Corps - Regular
Length of service 0 years
His tour began on Dec 19, 1967
Casualty was on Feb 8, 1968
In QUANG TRI, SOUTH VIETNAM
HOSTILE, GROUND CASUALTY
MULTIPLE FRAGMENTATION WOUNDS
Body was recovered
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LLOYD WHITFIELD MOORE
HN - E3 - Navy - Regular
Length of service 1 years
His tour began on Jan 15, 1968
Casualty was on Feb 25, 1968
In QUANG TRI, SOUTH VIETNAM
HOSTILE, GROUND CASUALTY
GUN, SMALL ARMS FIRE
Body was recovered
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CRAIG PHILIP AVERILL
CPL - E4 - Army - Regular
101st Airborne Division
Length of service 1 years
His tour began on Jun 12, 1967
Casualty was on Mar 26, 1968
In THUA THIEN, SOUTH VIETNAM
Hostile, died of wounds, GROUND CASUALTY
MULTIPLE FRAGMENTATION WOUNDS
Body was recovered
----------------------
GLENN BRANSON HAINES JR
PFC - E3 - Army - Selective Service
18th Eng Bde
Length of service 0 years
His tour began on Nov 26, 1968
Casualty was on Mar 6, 1969
In , SOUTH VIETNAM
Non-Hostile, died of illness/injury, GROUND CASUALTY
ACCIDENTAL SELF-DESTRUCTION
Body was recovered
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JOE WOFFORD EUBANKS
CAPT - O3 - Army - Regular
1st AVN BDE
His tour began on Nov 13, 1971
Casualty was on Jun 2, 1972
In PLEIKU, SOUTH VIETNAM
HOSTILE, HELICOPTER - CREW
AIR LOSS, CRASH ON LAND
Body was recovered
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RICHARD MICHAEL CAMPBELL
SGT - E5 - Army - Selective Service
9th Infantry Division
Length of service 1 years
His tour began on Apr 2, 1968
Casualty was on May 7, 1968
In GIA DINH, SOUTH VIETNAM
HOSTILE, GROUND CASUALTY
DROWNED, SUFFOCATED
Body was recovered
Other people could make longer lists, but this is mine. Friends, comrades-in-arms. Requiescat in pace guys, I think about you often.
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ROBERT NELSON MORDEN
PFC - E2 - Marine Corps - Regular
Length of service 0 years
His tour began on Dec 19, 1967
Casualty was on Feb 8, 1968
In QUANG TRI, SOUTH VIETNAM
HOSTILE, GROUND CASUALTY
MULTIPLE FRAGMENTATION WOUNDS
Body was recovered
-----------------------------
LLOYD WHITFIELD MOORE
HN - E3 - Navy - Regular
Length of service 1 years
His tour began on Jan 15, 1968
Casualty was on Feb 25, 1968
In QUANG TRI, SOUTH VIETNAM
HOSTILE, GROUND CASUALTY
GUN, SMALL ARMS FIRE
Body was recovered
--------------------------
CRAIG PHILIP AVERILL
CPL - E4 - Army - Regular
101st Airborne Division
Length of service 1 years
His tour began on Jun 12, 1967
Casualty was on Mar 26, 1968
In THUA THIEN, SOUTH VIETNAM
Hostile, died of wounds, GROUND CASUALTY
MULTIPLE FRAGMENTATION WOUNDS
Body was recovered
----------------------
GLENN BRANSON HAINES JR
PFC - E3 - Army - Selective Service
18th Eng Bde
Length of service 0 years
His tour began on Nov 26, 1968
Casualty was on Mar 6, 1969
In , SOUTH VIETNAM
Non-Hostile, died of illness/injury, GROUND CASUALTY
ACCIDENTAL SELF-DESTRUCTION
Body was recovered
--------------------------
JOE WOFFORD EUBANKS
CAPT - O3 - Army - Regular
1st AVN BDE
His tour began on Nov 13, 1971
Casualty was on Jun 2, 1972
In PLEIKU, SOUTH VIETNAM
HOSTILE, HELICOPTER - CREW
AIR LOSS, CRASH ON LAND
Body was recovered
-----------
RICHARD MICHAEL CAMPBELL
SGT - E5 - Army - Selective Service
9th Infantry Division
Length of service 1 years
His tour began on Apr 2, 1968
Casualty was on May 7, 1968
In GIA DINH, SOUTH VIETNAM
HOSTILE, GROUND CASUALTY
DROWNED, SUFFOCATED
Body was recovered
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 25, 2020 05:31 PM (ysC0S)
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:31 PM (lwiT4)
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Us- "We believe everyone is capable of self fulfillment if given equal opportunity, and all colors can be productive, informed, capable Americans regardless of their parents, neighborhoods, or backgrounds."
Them - Racist!!!
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My experience tells me that this change came about thru gvt education.
I don't have any grand ideas on how to reverse it. I would like to see education privatized.
Us- "We believe everyone is capable of self fulfillment if given equal opportunity, and all colors can be productive, informed, capable Americans regardless of their parents, neighborhoods, or backgrounds."
Them - Racist!!!
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My experience tells me that this change came about thru gvt education.
I don't have any grand ideas on how to reverse it. I would like to see education privatized.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at May 25, 2020 05:31 PM (IDhUW)
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I think most veterans today don't tell anyone much of what they did while in the military. And most people aren't interested in hearing it.
Certainly true of the WW2 veterans who didn't brag about how heroic they were. As a kid growing up I got to know a WW2 veteran who lost an eye (he wore an eye patch) he never told me how it happened. Maybe if I went to the VFW and sat at the bar, I'd hear war stories, I'd guess.
Certainly true of the WW2 veterans who didn't brag about how heroic they were. As a kid growing up I got to know a WW2 veteran who lost an eye (he wore an eye patch) he never told me how it happened. Maybe if I went to the VFW and sat at the bar, I'd hear war stories, I'd guess.
Posted by: Colin at May 25, 2020 05:32 PM (UF8gN)
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I went down a G.K. Chesterton rabbit hole. I couldn't find the quote I was looking for, but I found this, which still rings true:
"All good Americans wish to fight the representatives they have chosen. All good Englishmen wish to forget the representatives they have chosen."
"All good Americans wish to fight the representatives they have chosen. All good Englishmen wish to forget the representatives they have chosen."
Posted by: NaughtyPine at May 25, 2020 05:32 PM (/+bwe)
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American POW camps for Germans were almost like summer camp. Our goodness is amazing in light of the power we yield. It does unfortunately come back to bite us in the butt quite often.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 05:33 PM (2DOZq)
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Remember Michael Obama saying "All this for a damn flag?" at the 9/11 ceremony? I think it was after she had said that, for the first time in her adult lifetime, she was proud of America.
Serious question:
Think about the cities like Charlotte, Asheville, Raleigh, etc that turn entire states blue when it's time to vote for the president. What percentage of the population of those areas do you think would say they loved - and were proud of - America if they were asked?
Serious question:
Think about the cities like Charlotte, Asheville, Raleigh, etc that turn entire states blue when it's time to vote for the president. What percentage of the population of those areas do you think would say they loved - and were proud of - America if they were asked?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Fewer than 1,000 healthcare workers WORLDWIDE have died from COVID-19 at May 25, 2020 05:33 PM (aden2)
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Left for a bit, grammie.
Saw your Beatles post and scrolled down to see if you were still here.
So, should I ask which song "they" said was #1?
Ps: auto-c still thinks you're a checkmark but I caught it this time.
Left for a bit, grammie.
Saw your Beatles post and scrolled down to see if you were still here.
So, should I ask which song "they" said was #1?
Ps: auto-c still thinks you're a checkmark but I caught it this time.
Posted by: TeeJ at May 25, 2020 05:34 PM (xcF3W)
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My dad was from Worcester, MA. He joined the USN during WWII and served in various theaters. He left the USN and joined the USA in time for the Korean Conflict. After, he joined the USAF and retired from the USAF after Vietnam. Thirty years, three wars.
He liked the military, but didn't recommend it as a career for his kids. Rather, he recommended giving some of your life to your country, and then doing your own thing.
So, I served six years in the USAF (I grew up on USAF bases before he retired), discovered I am an eternal civilian, and went on to do other things.
I am happy to be alive this day, and honor the sacrifices.
He liked the military, but didn't recommend it as a career for his kids. Rather, he recommended giving some of your life to your country, and then doing your own thing.
So, I served six years in the USAF (I grew up on USAF bases before he retired), discovered I am an eternal civilian, and went on to do other things.
I am happy to be alive this day, and honor the sacrifices.
Posted by: Patrick C Carroll at May 25, 2020 05:35 PM (2D4Ga)
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What percentage of the population of those areas do you think would say they loved - and were proud of - America if they were asked?
I think that's why I love Trump. He so obviously loves this country.
I think that's why I love Trump. He so obviously loves this country.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:35 PM (lwiT4)
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I read a bit about the poem, and apparently Yeats wrote four about the Irish pilot, the last was really about the murder of Eileen Quinn - an Irish woman killed by the Black and Tans.
As there ever been a reason given for her murder? Ireland at the time was in revolt against Britain and both sides were killing members of the other side, including reprisals.
But this particular murder, where the Black and Tans shot her while driving by seems out of place.
As there ever been a reason given for her murder? Ireland at the time was in revolt against Britain and both sides were killing members of the other side, including reprisals.
But this particular murder, where the Black and Tans shot her while driving by seems out of place.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 25, 2020 05:36 PM (WdocV)
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TeeJ I think it's going to be Yesterday. There's only one song to go and it hasn't been played yet.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:37 PM (lwiT4)
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https://bit.ly/2ZxQ7jz
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New estimate by the CDC brings down the COVID- 19 death rate to just 0.26% as against WHO's 3.4%
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New estimate by the CDC brings down the COVID- 19 death rate to just 0.26% as against WHO's 3.4%
Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at May 25, 2020 05:37 PM (H22GW)
Posted by: Gem at May 25, 2020 05:37 PM (kIHih)
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think that's why I love Trump. He so obviously loves this country.
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Yep. It's obvious, too. Barry would smile and give speeches about my selfishness and what I owed his brothers while calling me his enemy. Trump smiles as he wants us all to get rich.
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Yep. It's obvious, too. Barry would smile and give speeches about my selfishness and what I owed his brothers while calling me his enemy. Trump smiles as he wants us all to get rich.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Fewer than 1,000 healthcare workers WORLDWIDE have died from COVID-19 at May 25, 2020 05:38 PM (aden2)
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223 TeeJ I think it's going to be Yesterday. There's only one song to go and it hasn't been played yet.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:37 PM (lwiT4)
Is that Your favorite?? Not mine, though it's good.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:37 PM (lwiT4)
Is that Your favorite?? Not mine, though it's good.
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 05:38 PM (bCLt0)
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Anyone else watch the PBS special on the USS Indianapolis? I really only knew the shark angle of the story from the movie Jaws. WOW is there a lot more to the story. Really well done piece. Room got very dusty.
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at May 25, 2020 05:39 PM (oAY8z)
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Berserker,
I am sorry to hear of the passing of your aunt, but can imagine the joy at the reunion with your uncle. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks to all who have shared personal stories and names, I will pour out a drink for the Horde's victorious dead later his afternoon.
And I remind myself and others that while there remains one person wiling to fight for American values that independent spirit lives on.
I am sorry to hear of the passing of your aunt, but can imagine the joy at the reunion with your uncle. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks to all who have shared personal stories and names, I will pour out a drink for the Horde's victorious dead later his afternoon.
And I remind myself and others that while there remains one person wiling to fight for American values that independent spirit lives on.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at May 25, 2020 05:40 PM (IDhUW)
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Tubal my favorite is Here Comes the Sun, And I Love Her, and Happy just to Dance With You.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:40 PM (lwiT4)
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And If I Fell In Love With You. And Because.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:41 PM (lwiT4)
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And I've Just Seen A Face
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:42 PM (lwiT4)
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230 Tubal my favorite is Here Comes the Sun, And I Love Her, and Happy just to Dance With You.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:40 PM (lwiT4)
Nice choices!!! For me, Blackbird, Norwegian Wood, Ticket to Ride.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:40 PM (lwiT4)
Nice choices!!! For me, Blackbird, Norwegian Wood, Ticket to Ride.
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 05:43 PM (bCLt0)
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I'll stop now
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:43 PM (lwiT4)
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228
Anyone else watch the PBS special on the USS Indianapolis? I really only
knew the shark angle of the story from the movie Jaws. WOW is there a
lot more to the story. Really well done piece. Room got very dusty.
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at May 25, 2020 05:39 PM (oAY8z)
There is an excellent book on the USS Indianapolis. Look for this one:
INDIANAPOLIS
By Lynn Vincent Sara Vladic
Anyone else watch the PBS special on the USS Indianapolis? I really only
knew the shark angle of the story from the movie Jaws. WOW is there a
lot more to the story. Really well done piece. Room got very dusty.
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at May 25, 2020 05:39 PM (oAY8z)
There is an excellent book on the USS Indianapolis. Look for this one:
INDIANAPOLIS
By Lynn Vincent Sara Vladic
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 25, 2020 05:44 PM (D3cJf)
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158 Ireland is often called the land of happy wars and sad love songs because they've gone off to fight for every cause but their own. They're called the Wild Geese, and there's actually a museum of them in Galway (I think.)
Posted by: IrishEi at May 25, 2020 05:12 PM (sGotD)
Yeppers. 5 generations ago 4 brothers came here and fought. My forefather brought quarter of a million acres of land with the money from the other brothers. Mind you they had to leave Norn as they had been there for 200 years late of lowland Scotland, kicking shit out of the Paddies in The Pale and it was time to invade another country.
Posted by: IrishEi at May 25, 2020 05:12 PM (sGotD)
Yeppers. 5 generations ago 4 brothers came here and fought. My forefather brought quarter of a million acres of land with the money from the other brothers. Mind you they had to leave Norn as they had been there for 200 years late of lowland Scotland, kicking shit out of the Paddies in The Pale and it was time to invade another country.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at May 25, 2020 05:44 PM (bgJ0E)
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 05:44 PM (bCLt0)
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#222
Irish mother from Galway, American father from Worcester, MA, grew up in Co. Galway, Ireland, where the Black and Tans are still cursed.
99.2% Irish, according to 23andMe.
Yeats lived close to Gort, where there were any number of Black and Tan outrages, up to and including public torture and burning's alive.
I'm afraid Great Britain did not distinguish itself for its sobriety, restraint, and rectitude, as it was losing its first colony.
Still. What can ye do?
Irish mother from Galway, American father from Worcester, MA, grew up in Co. Galway, Ireland, where the Black and Tans are still cursed.
99.2% Irish, according to 23andMe.
Yeats lived close to Gort, where there were any number of Black and Tan outrages, up to and including public torture and burning's alive.
I'm afraid Great Britain did not distinguish itself for its sobriety, restraint, and rectitude, as it was losing its first colony.
Still. What can ye do?
Posted by: Patrick C Carroll at May 25, 2020 05:44 PM (2D4Ga)
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"Anyone else watch the PBS special on the USS Indianapolis?"
What a horrible story. Such a terrible fate for the survivors.
What a horrible story. Such a terrible fate for the survivors.
Posted by: navybrat, largely at large at May 25, 2020 05:44 PM (w7KSn)
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The Dental Tribune?
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 25, 2020 05:44 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at May 25, 2020 05:44 PM (IDhUW)
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"Yesterday"
Heh, Gary wrote a song about Hank Sr called 29.
In it...
You wrote those songs to sing my life
You lived too damn hard, you died at 29
And now,,, I long for yesterday
"Yesterday"
Heh, Gary wrote a song about Hank Sr called 29.
In it...
You wrote those songs to sing my life
You lived too damn hard, you died at 29
And now,,, I long for yesterday
Posted by: TeeJ at May 25, 2020 05:45 PM (xcF3W)
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Eleanor Rigby.
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 05:44 PM (bCLt0)
The strings on that are incredible
Eleanor Rigby.
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 05:44 PM (bCLt0)
The strings on that are incredible
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:45 PM (lwiT4)
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The Dental Tribune?
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 25, 2020 05:44 PM
NGU has a newsletter? Sweet!
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 25, 2020 05:44 PM
NGU has a newsletter? Sweet!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 25, 2020 05:45 PM (rBtIz)
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Anyone else watch the PBS special on the USS Indianapolis? I really only knew the shark angle of the story from the movie Jaws. WOW is there a lot more to the story. Really well done piece. Room got very dusty.
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at May 25, 2020 05:39 PM (oAY8z)
There's a fairly popular book about it, "In Harm's Way", published 2001. It's got the story of the last cruise and the survivors' ordeal, bookended with the story of Captain McVay. Despite the Japanese captain testifying in his defense, the Navy placed the blame on him, and he was never able to move past it.
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at May 25, 2020 05:39 PM (oAY8z)
There's a fairly popular book about it, "In Harm's Way", published 2001. It's got the story of the last cruise and the survivors' ordeal, bookended with the story of Captain McVay. Despite the Japanese captain testifying in his defense, the Navy placed the blame on him, and he was never able to move past it.
Posted by: hogmartin at May 25, 2020 05:46 PM (t+qrx)
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sorry redc
dunno why that's a 404
scroll down to #7
https://filipiknow.net/traitors-in-philippine-history/
dunno why that's a 404
scroll down to #7
https://filipiknow.net/traitors-in-philippine-history/
Posted by: vmom with link to Muldoon's WW2 book at May 25, 2020 05:46 PM (G546f)
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But this particular murder, where the Black and Tans shot her while driving by seems out of place.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 25, 2020 05:36 PM (WdocV)
I think in every war - and civil conflicts are always the most vicious of them all - you reach a point where at least some of the participants just say "I don't give a shit anymore, I'm gonna kill the next person I see." And they do. Wars at that point don't need a reason for the killing anymore, it's just barbarity and savagery unchecked. Ireland, sadly, has seen a lot of that.
I read up a while back on Cromwell's experience in Ireland, and why his army was so vicious. I believe the core reason was this his army had already been fighting a civil war for 6 or 7 years, and they had won, and they were ready to be done. (but this also meant that they were now extremely good at fighting, and very hardened to death and terror). So they went over to Ireland all pissed off, and wanting to be get this over with, and pretty quickly they decided the best way to do that was to kill every man, woman, and child they ran into, which is pretty much what they proceeded to do. They were a large, very powerful army, and they just didn't give a shit anymore about what they did, or how they did it.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 25, 2020 05:36 PM (WdocV)
I think in every war - and civil conflicts are always the most vicious of them all - you reach a point where at least some of the participants just say "I don't give a shit anymore, I'm gonna kill the next person I see." And they do. Wars at that point don't need a reason for the killing anymore, it's just barbarity and savagery unchecked. Ireland, sadly, has seen a lot of that.
I read up a while back on Cromwell's experience in Ireland, and why his army was so vicious. I believe the core reason was this his army had already been fighting a civil war for 6 or 7 years, and they had won, and they were ready to be done. (but this also meant that they were now extremely good at fighting, and very hardened to death and terror). So they went over to Ireland all pissed off, and wanting to be get this over with, and pretty quickly they decided the best way to do that was to kill every man, woman, and child they ran into, which is pretty much what they proceeded to do. They were a large, very powerful army, and they just didn't give a shit anymore about what they did, or how they did it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 25, 2020 05:46 PM (trdmm)
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:46 PM (lwiT4)
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The Irish can write fight songs too - "come out ye black and tans"
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at May 25, 2020 05:47 PM (IDhUW)
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The Dental Tribune?
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 25, 2020 05:44 PM
NGU has a newsletter? Sweet!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 25, 2020 05:45 PM (rBtIz)
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What I found & it is official CDC stats in it
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 25, 2020 05:44 PM
NGU has a newsletter? Sweet!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 25, 2020 05:45 PM (rBtIz)
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What I found & it is official CDC stats in it
Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at May 25, 2020 05:47 PM (H22GW)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 25, 2020 05:48 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: TeeJ at May 25, 2020 05:48 PM (xcF3W)
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248 Posted by: AmericanKestrel at May 25, 2020 05:44 PM (IDhUW)
I could. !
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:46 PM (lwiT4)
I kinda have a passion for Jefferson Airplane that way. Although they are rather a scruffier lot.
I could. !
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:46 PM (lwiT4)
I kinda have a passion for Jefferson Airplane that way. Although they are rather a scruffier lot.
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 05:48 PM (bCLt0)
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Echo the thanks to all who posted names and stories. Too often we overlook the person involved in the fight. Each one had a story, a family, friends, brothers in arms, and perhaps a sweetheart back at home.I too will toast to their sacrifice and praise God for them and their sacrifice. May His perpetual Light shine upon each of them.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 25, 2020 05:48 PM (D3cJf)
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Yeats lived close to Gort, where there were any number of Black and Tan outrages, up to and including public torture and burning's alive.
Gort? KLAATU BARADA NIKTO!!
yeah, shoot me now.
Gort? KLAATU BARADA NIKTO!!
yeah, shoot me now.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 25, 2020 05:48 PM (trdmm)
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Recommendation on Muldoon's book too.
In miniature gaming might be considered weird WWII.
In miniature gaming might be considered weird WWII.
Posted by: Skip at May 25, 2020 05:49 PM (ZCEU2)
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The Beatles are a prime example of the whole being greater than its' parts, grammie.
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 05:50 PM (bCLt0)
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I think that's why I love Trump. He so obviously loves this country.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:35 PM (lwiT4)
It is sad that this is in any way noteworthy.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:35 PM (lwiT4)
It is sad that this is in any way noteworthy.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2020 05:51 PM (dLLD6)
Posted by: TeeJ at May 25, 2020 05:51 PM (xcF3W)
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I only had 2 relatives who served in combat
my uncle in the 82nd Airborne, WWII, and my mother's uncle or great-uncle, who served in N Africa with British 8th Army WWII
God Bless all who lost their lives defending freedom
my uncle in the 82nd Airborne, WWII, and my mother's uncle or great-uncle, who served in N Africa with British 8th Army WWII
God Bless all who lost their lives defending freedom
Posted by: DB- just DB. at May 25, 2020 05:51 PM (iTXRQ)
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The Irish can write fight songs too - "come out ye black and tans"
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at May 25, 2020 05:47 PM (IDhUW)
Cheer cheer for old Notre DameWake up the echoes calling her name
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at May 25, 2020 05:47 PM (IDhUW)
Cheer cheer for old Notre DameWake up the echoes calling her name
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 25, 2020 05:52 PM (lHa/4)
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Yeats writes some powerful words there.
I got goosebumps.
I got goosebumps.
Posted by: torabora at May 25, 2020 05:52 PM (mYoqi)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Fewer than 1,000 healthcare workers WORLDWIDE have died from COVID-19 at May 25, 2020 05:52 PM (aden2)
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It is sad that this is in any way noteworthy.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2020 05:51 PM
And damning that Michelle Obama could openly say that her husband's nomination was the first time in her adult life that she was proud of her country. Ungrateful beeyatch.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2020 05:51 PM
And damning that Michelle Obama could openly say that her husband's nomination was the first time in her adult life that she was proud of her country. Ungrateful beeyatch.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 25, 2020 05:53 PM (rBtIz)
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See how long the morons wear their masks in this heat & humidity with out dropping over lets. Yes, hrrrm. Yoda Speak
Posted by: Ghost of Qassem Soleimani at May 25, 2020 05:53 PM (H22GW)
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Missed it by that much.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Fewer than 1,000 healthcare workers WORLDWIDE have died from COVID-19 at May 25, 2020 05:53 PM (aden2)
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at May 25, 2020 05:54 PM (IDhUW)
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247 But this particular murder, where the Black and Tans shot her while driving by seems out of place.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 25, 2020 05:36 PM (WdocV)
It's still in the very recent past, a distant cousin with my brothers exact name was murdered by the ira provos. Tortured, kneecaps drilled out and finally breeze blocked. It was probably a drug war thing really but as he was Red Hand, it was put down as political.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 25, 2020 05:36 PM (WdocV)
It's still in the very recent past, a distant cousin with my brothers exact name was murdered by the ira provos. Tortured, kneecaps drilled out and finally breeze blocked. It was probably a drug war thing really but as he was Red Hand, it was put down as political.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at May 25, 2020 05:54 PM (bgJ0E)
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#20 if we would have blockaded Japan, our Obama would have surrendered to them.
Posted by: torabora at May 25, 2020 05:55 PM (mYoqi)
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These days the real battles are the budget battles inside the 5-sided wind tunnel.
Chores part duex await.
Chores part duex await.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 25, 2020 05:55 PM (u82oZ)
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#158
I don't know of an actual Wild Geese museum in Galway.
There's a pretty decent Galway museum down by the Spanish Arch. Maybe that's what you're thinking about.
Also, there's a memorial to the Galway Rangers (Yeah! Irish Rangers before American Rangers!!!) in St Nicholas' Cathedral (Just turned 700 years old, with memories of Cromwell.) in, well, St Nicholas' Cathedral, opposite St Pats. (My primary school.)
I don't know of an actual Wild Geese museum in Galway.
There's a pretty decent Galway museum down by the Spanish Arch. Maybe that's what you're thinking about.
Also, there's a memorial to the Galway Rangers (Yeah! Irish Rangers before American Rangers!!!) in St Nicholas' Cathedral (Just turned 700 years old, with memories of Cromwell.) in, well, St Nicholas' Cathedral, opposite St Pats. (My primary school.)
Posted by: Patrick C Carroll at May 25, 2020 05:56 PM (2D4Ga)
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The new look was Mlii's idea.
Said "seeing" it that way helped her remember how to pronounce it.
The new look was Mlii's idea.
Said "seeing" it that way helped her remember how to pronounce it.
Posted by: TeeJ at May 25, 2020 05:58 PM (xcF3W)
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Speaking of Wild Geese
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 05:58 PM (bCLt0)
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Speaking of Wild Geese
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 05:58 PM (bCLt0)
The Richard Burton, Roger Moore movie of that name is on?
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 05:58 PM (bCLt0)
The Richard Burton, Roger Moore movie of that name is on?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 25, 2020 05:59 PM (lHa/4)
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It's still in the very recent past, a distant cousin with my brothers exact name was murdered by the ira provos. Tortured, kneecaps drilled out and finally breeze blocked. It was probably a drug war thing really but as he was Red Hand, it was put down as political.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at May 25, 2020 05:54 PM (bgJ0E)
Yup......I was in East Belfast in 2000. Some taxis refused to drive you to West Belfast but would take me to a pub where I could call a West Belfast taxi. The hotel I stayed at in East Belfast was lit up with the sound of gunfire in the early a.m. from the gangs going at it in a drug turf war.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at May 25, 2020 05:54 PM (bgJ0E)
Yup......I was in East Belfast in 2000. Some taxis refused to drive you to West Belfast but would take me to a pub where I could call a West Belfast taxi. The hotel I stayed at in East Belfast was lit up with the sound of gunfire in the early a.m. from the gangs going at it in a drug turf war.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 25, 2020 05:59 PM (Z+IKu)
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^^^ This. "American" isn't an ethnicity. It's an allegiance to a set of ideas. Embrace them, you're my countryman. Turn your back on them, you're no countryman of mine, no matter where you live.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 25, 2020 05:26 PM (rBtIz)
Exactly, but more and more it would seem you should be using the past tense thre!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 25, 2020 05:26 PM (rBtIz)
Exactly, but more and more it would seem you should be using the past tense thre!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 25, 2020 05:59 PM (6wiwL)
Posted by: TeeJ at May 25, 2020 05:59 PM (xcF3W)
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Nice choice of poem CBD
I hadn't read it before and it will stay with me.
It might be considered dark but not all truth is happy. Not all art is pleasant. But truth always resonates.
I hadn't read it before and it will stay with me.
It might be considered dark but not all truth is happy. Not all art is pleasant. But truth always resonates.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at May 25, 2020 05:59 PM (IDhUW)
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274 Speaking of Wild Geese
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 05:58 PM (bCLt0)
The Richard Burton, Roger Moore movie of that name is on?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 25, 2020 05:59 PM (lHa/4)
Perhaps, but the shit all over the boat ramp was kind of on my mind at the moment.
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 05:58 PM (bCLt0)
The Richard Burton, Roger Moore movie of that name is on?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 25, 2020 05:59 PM (lHa/4)
Perhaps, but the shit all over the boat ramp was kind of on my mind at the moment.
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 06:00 PM (bCLt0)
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Regarding the CDC, look at Scenario 5
Am I reading it wrong or are they saying the best estimate for fatalities using current knowledge and actual science is 0.004%
Am I reading it wrong or are they saying the best estimate for fatalities using current knowledge and actual science is 0.004%
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Fewer than 1,000 healthcare workers WORLDWIDE have died from COVID-19 at May 25, 2020 06:00 PM (aden2)
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275
Yup......I was in East Belfast in 2000. Some taxis refused to drive you to West Belfast but would take me to a pub where I could call a West Belfast taxi. The hotel I stayed at in East Belfast was lit up with the sound of gunfire in the early a.m. from the gangs going at it in a drug turf war.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 25, 2020 05:59 PM (Z+IKu)
So, a Celtic Juarez, then.
Yup......I was in East Belfast in 2000. Some taxis refused to drive you to West Belfast but would take me to a pub where I could call a West Belfast taxi. The hotel I stayed at in East Belfast was lit up with the sound of gunfire in the early a.m. from the gangs going at it in a drug turf war.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 25, 2020 05:59 PM (Z+IKu)
So, a Celtic Juarez, then.
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 06:01 PM (bCLt0)
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272
The new look was Mlii's idea.
Said "seeing" it that way helped her remember how to pronounce it.
Just don't think I've changed.
Still just a lower case guy.
Posted by: TeeJ at May 25, 2020 05:58 PM (xcF3W)
Lol, you'll always be teej to me.
The new look was Mlii's idea.
Said "seeing" it that way helped her remember how to pronounce it.
Just don't think I've changed.
Still just a lower case guy.
Posted by: TeeJ at May 25, 2020 05:58 PM (xcF3W)
Lol, you'll always be teej to me.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at May 25, 2020 06:02 PM (IDhUW)
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Some family crests in Ireland have an image of a goose that has been run through with an arrow. The Latin motto reads "Transfixed sed non mortus". Transfixed, but not dead.
That puzzled me for years.
I then learned that if you were "transfixed" in battle, you were run through with a lance. At that point, you have 2 choices a) die, or b) continue pushing the lance through your body so as to close with the enemy who ran you through and get at his neck.
That explains the image.
That puzzled me for years.
I then learned that if you were "transfixed" in battle, you were run through with a lance. At that point, you have 2 choices a) die, or b) continue pushing the lance through your body so as to close with the enemy who ran you through and get at his neck.
That explains the image.
Posted by: navybrat, largely at large at May 25, 2020 06:03 PM (w7KSn)
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280 Regarding the CDC, look at Scenario 5
Am I reading it wrong or are they saying the best estimate for fatalities using current knowledge and actual science is 0.004%
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Fewer than 1,000 healthcare workers WORLDWIDE have died from COVID-19 at May 25, 2020 06:00 PM (aden2)
So, like death by grizzly bear, then.
Am I reading it wrong or are they saying the best estimate for fatalities using current knowledge and actual science is 0.004%
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Fewer than 1,000 healthcare workers WORLDWIDE have died from COVID-19 at May 25, 2020 06:00 PM (aden2)
So, like death by grizzly bear, then.
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 06:03 PM (bCLt0)
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I'm learning to play a fingerstyle version of Eleanor Rigby on guitar, and since it's just me and I've no string quartet, my thumb is playing the part of the cello, thumping along in 4/4 time. My fingers do a combo of melody and the syncopated march done by a violin and viola.
"Oh, look at all those masked-up people"
"Oh, look at all those masked-up people"
Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 25, 2020 06:04 PM (+fPHo)
Posted by: navybrat, largely at large at May 25, 2020 06:04 PM (w7KSn)
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I was Transfixed by Morena Baccarin, the first time I saw her.
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 06:05 PM (bCLt0)
288
Les Kinetic thats funny
Posted by: Skip at May 25, 2020 06:05 PM (ZCEU2)
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Now that I think about it, if you're ever in Galway, Ireland, do visit St Nicholas' Cathedral, just to see the walls inside the cathedral. All sorts of British Army officers buried in the walls, killed in all sorts of creative ways, including one poor man killed by the boar he was hunting.
Then, there are all the statues with their faces beaten off when Cromwell stationed his cavalry in the cathedral in, oh, 1645, or thereabouts.
Helluva a city to grow up in.
Then, there are all the statues with their faces beaten off when Cromwell stationed his cavalry in the cathedral in, oh, 1645, or thereabouts.
Helluva a city to grow up in.
Posted by: Patrick C Carroll at May 25, 2020 06:05 PM (2D4Ga)
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Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 25, 2020 05:31 PM (ysC0S)
May God bless them and their families!
May God bless them and their families!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 25, 2020 06:05 PM (6wiwL)
291
Dear Lord,
Lest I continue
My complacent way,
Help me to remember
Somewhere out there
A man died for me today
-As long as there be war
I then must
Ask and answer
Am I worth dying for?
A poem carried by Eleanor Roosevelt in her purse, given to her by coordinator for American, British and Canadian intelligence, Sir William Stephenson
Lest I continue
My complacent way,
Help me to remember
Somewhere out there
A man died for me today
-As long as there be war
I then must
Ask and answer
Am I worth dying for?
A poem carried by Eleanor Roosevelt in her purse, given to her by coordinator for American, British and Canadian intelligence, Sir William Stephenson
Posted by: Sam Adams at May 25, 2020 06:06 PM (VDbGO)
Posted by: Ped Xing at May 25, 2020 06:06 PM (d6DSt)
Posted by: TeeJ at May 25, 2020 06:06 PM (xcF3W)
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sorry redc
dunno why that's a 404
scroll down to #7
https://filipiknow.net/traitors-in-philippine-history/
Posted by: vmom with link to Muldoon's WW2 book
I wonder if that picture is from American Guerrilla in the Philippines?
www.imdb.com/title/tt0042195
sorry redc
dunno why that's a 404
scroll down to #7
https://filipiknow.net/traitors-in-philippine-history/
Posted by: vmom with link to Muldoon's WW2 book
I wonder if that picture is from American Guerrilla in the Philippines?
www.imdb.com/title/tt0042195
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 25, 2020 06:06 PM (aKsyK)
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283 Some family crests in Ireland have an image of a goose that has been run through with an arrow. The Latin motto reads "Transfixed sed non mortus". Transfixed, but not dead.
That puzzled me for years.
I then learned that if you were "transfixed" in battle, you were run through with a lance. At that point, you have 2 choices a) die, or b) continue pushing the lance through your body so as to close with the enemy who ran you through and get at his neck.
That explains the image.
Posted by: navybrat, largely at large at May 25, 2020 06:03 PM (w7KSn)
Interesting, I've heard there's a saying but I've only seen it once"you can kill an Irishman, but you can't beat him" that fits that image perfectly.
That puzzled me for years.
I then learned that if you were "transfixed" in battle, you were run through with a lance. At that point, you have 2 choices a) die, or b) continue pushing the lance through your body so as to close with the enemy who ran you through and get at his neck.
That explains the image.
Posted by: navybrat, largely at large at May 25, 2020 06:03 PM (w7KSn)
Interesting, I've heard there's a saying but I've only seen it once"you can kill an Irishman, but you can't beat him" that fits that image perfectly.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at May 25, 2020 06:06 PM (IDhUW)
296
I'm just glad garrett is not around to comment on the Beatles discussion.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 06:08 PM (2DOZq)
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From my mother's sleep I fell into the State
And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze
Six miles from earth, loosed from its dream of life,
I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters.
When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose.
And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze
Six miles from earth, loosed from its dream of life,
I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters.
When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 25, 2020 06:09 PM (qQ7kL)
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296 I'm just glad garrett is not around to comment on the Beatles discussion.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 06:08 PM (2DOZq)
True fan, is he??
296 I'm just glad garrett is not around to comment on the Beatles discussion.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 06:08 PM (2DOZq)
True fan, is he??
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 06:09 PM (bCLt0)
299
Yeats is the best poet. Wilde is the best wit,
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 06:09 PM (2DOZq)
300
Transfixus, sed non mortus.
Dang auto correct.
Posted by: navybrat, largely at large at May 25, 2020
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I was puzzled why the crest would mix English ("transfixed") and Latin like that.
Dang auto correct.
Posted by: navybrat, largely at large at May 25, 2020
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I was puzzled why the crest would mix English ("transfixed") and Latin like that.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 25, 2020 06:09 PM (rpbg1)
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299 Yeats is the best poet. Wilde is the best wit,
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 06:09 PM (2DOZq)
Where does Lewis Carroll fit in??
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 06:09 PM (2DOZq)
Where does Lewis Carroll fit in??
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 06:11 PM (bCLt0)
302
291 Dear Lord,
Lest I continue
My complacent way,
Help me to remember
Somewhere out there
A man died for me today
-As long as there be war
I then must
Ask and answer
Am I worth dying for?
A poem carried by Eleanor Roosevelt in her purse, given to her by coordinator for American, British and Canadian intelligence, Sir William Stephenson
Now there is a poem to remember in this time of Plagues. And I don't speak of the ChiVi bit of the corrupt and evil in our country.
Lest I continue
My complacent way,
Help me to remember
Somewhere out there
A man died for me today
-As long as there be war
I then must
Ask and answer
Am I worth dying for?
A poem carried by Eleanor Roosevelt in her purse, given to her by coordinator for American, British and Canadian intelligence, Sir William Stephenson
Now there is a poem to remember in this time of Plagues. And I don't speak of the ChiVi bit of the corrupt and evil in our country.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at May 25, 2020 06:11 PM (IDhUW)
303
Where does Lewis Carroll fit in??
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 06:11 PM (bCLt0)
Best Satirist ?
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 06:11 PM (bCLt0)
Best Satirist ?
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 06:11 PM (2DOZq)
304
292
We'll let in everybody except the Irish.
Posted by: Ped Xing at May 25, 2020 06:06 PM (d6DSt)
the Irish go where they want.
We'll let in everybody except the Irish.
Posted by: Ped Xing at May 25, 2020 06:06 PM (d6DSt)
the Irish go where they want.Posted by: AmericanKestrel at May 25, 2020 06:12 PM (IDhUW)
305
Am I reading it wrong or are they saying the best estimate for fatalities using current knowledge and actual science is 0.004%
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Fewer than 1,000 healthcare workers WORLDWIDE have died from COVID-19 at May 25, 2020 06:00 PM (aden2)
No...those are ratios. Move the decimal point two places to the right for a percentage.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Fewer than 1,000 healthcare workers WORLDWIDE have died from COVID-19 at May 25, 2020 06:00 PM (aden2)
No...those are ratios. Move the decimal point two places to the right for a percentage.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2020 06:12 PM (dLLD6)
306
My family was loaded with vets. I don't think anybody served after vietnam. most of us were really young when Vietnam ended, some being born after it ended, but the oldest of the cousins were in vietnam. There was a pretty good age gap between us, so the youngest of us came of age when there was nothing going on, and already had careers and kids by the time the gulf war happened. I'm in the younger group, because my parents were the babies of their families. My father was Army, but that was late 1950's, and probably the only vet in the family that didn't see combat. My uncles were all WWII or Korea. Man, the stories they told. The vietnam guys, yeah they didn't say much.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 25, 2020 06:12 PM (9Om/r)
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Who is the happy Warrior....
That every man in arms should wish to be?
-It is the generous spirit...
Who, doomed to go in company with Pain,
And Fear, and Bloodshed...
Turns his necessity to glorious gain...
And in himself possess his own desire...
And therefore does not stoop, nor lie in wait
For wealth, or honors, or for worldly state...
And, through the heat of conflict, keeps the law
In calmness made, and sees what he foresaw.
Wordsworth
That every man in arms should wish to be?
-It is the generous spirit...
Who, doomed to go in company with Pain,
And Fear, and Bloodshed...
Turns his necessity to glorious gain...
And in himself possess his own desire...
And therefore does not stoop, nor lie in wait
For wealth, or honors, or for worldly state...
And, through the heat of conflict, keeps the law
In calmness made, and sees what he foresaw.
Wordsworth
Posted by: Sam Adams at May 25, 2020 06:13 PM (VDbGO)
308
the Irish go where they want.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel
Bars and potato fields?
That's the only place my ancestors went, until they got tossed in the prison ships and exported...
Posted by: AmericanKestrel
Bars and potato fields?
That's the only place my ancestors went, until they got tossed in the prison ships and exported...
Posted by: Ped Xing at May 25, 2020 06:13 PM (d6DSt)
309
Thanks to CBD and JJ.
Posted by: Sock Monkey...Made in the USA at May 25, 2020 06:14 PM (MEwb6)
310
One of a few WWII stories I have had the privilege of being told by the old fellas. Whilst living in London for a time in the late 80's, I worked with an older (60's) bloke called Charlie. Charlie was very tall for a Cockney, swore like a trooper, loved a pint , limped badly in his Doc Marten boots and was a really top bloke. After some time of working together , once he worked out what I was saying (Kiwi vs Cockney), and he knew I was mil spec, he came to like me. One day after Armistice Day I spotted a 1st Para Brigade badge on his shirt, so I knew he was a Para. Charlie had never said anything. A day later after a Friday liquid lunch I asked him, why do you limp so much you old bugger? " Fark off you cheeky twat, I limp because I is only got one toe"
How come you only got one toe?
"Dropped at Arnham, got to the road, walked for two minutes and stepped on a Shu mine."
Utter respect..
Here's to you Charlie.
How come you only got one toe?
"Dropped at Arnham, got to the road, walked for two minutes and stepped on a Shu mine."
Utter respect..
Here's to you Charlie.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at May 25, 2020 06:14 PM (bgJ0E)
311
"True fan, is he?"
Meh, I just consider the source.
Now, I'll be getting back to Debt of Honor.
Until or unless the phone rings.
"True fan, is he?"
Meh, I just consider the source.
Now, I'll be getting back to Debt of Honor.
Until or unless the phone rings.
Posted by: TeeJ at May 25, 2020 06:15 PM (xcF3W)
312
No...those are ratios. Move the decimal point two places to the right for a percentage.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2020 06:12 PM (dLLD6)
-
Thanks. Re-reading it I saw the percentages mentioned above the section and took the wrong impression.
So 2/5ths of 1%
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2020 06:12 PM (dLLD6)
-
Thanks. Re-reading it I saw the percentages mentioned above the section and took the wrong impression.
So 2/5ths of 1%
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Fewer than 1,000 healthcare workers WORLDWIDE have died from COVID-19 at May 25, 2020 06:15 PM (aden2)
313
I am ancestrally a British Isles mutt, then they all came to America, which confused the issue.
Posted by: tubal at May 25, 2020 06:16 PM (bCLt0)
314
Oh, that line, " . . . black flak and the nightmare fighters," is the name of a band out of Salt Lake.
Literary rockers, them mormons.
Literary rockers, them mormons.
Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 25, 2020 06:16 PM (+fPHo)
315
Now I'm wishing I was home, to put lilac flowers on the graves. My family has two members who have flags next to their stones. One year one was missing a flag and my grandma went to the office to get one to place on site.
Thanks for the company, I'm heading down to the water.
Thanks for the company, I'm heading down to the water.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at May 25, 2020 06:18 PM (IDhUW)
316
My favorite war movie is Battleground.. The main reason is it has my favorite ending.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 06:20 PM (2DOZq)
317
Bars and potato fields?
That's the only place my ancestors went, until they got tossed in the prison ships and exported...
'Cuz if you ain't 21, you ain't Black, Jack!
That's the only place my ancestors went, until they got tossed in the prison ships and exported...
'Cuz if you ain't 21, you ain't Black, Jack!
Posted by: Joe Biden-tender at May 25, 2020 06:20 PM (Ypqc1)
318
''I think that's why I love Trump. He so obviously loves this country.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:35 PM (lwiT4)
It is sad that this is in any way noteworthy.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2020 05:51 PM (dLLD6)''
Sad indeed as love of country used to be counted as a given when speaking of American presidents and their countrymen.
Posted by: grammie winger at May 25, 2020 05:35 PM (lwiT4)
It is sad that this is in any way noteworthy.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2020 05:51 PM (dLLD6)''
Sad indeed as love of country used to be counted as a given when speaking of American presidents and their countrymen.
Posted by: Tuna at May 25, 2020 06:20 PM (gLRfa)
319
He died in an hour and a quarter
And this was the reason he died;
He'd forgotten the fact that iota
Was the maximum angle of glide.
From a requiem sung at English Flying Corps parties....
And this was the reason he died;
He'd forgotten the fact that iota
Was the maximum angle of glide.
From a requiem sung at English Flying Corps parties....
Posted by: Sam Adams at May 25, 2020 06:20 PM (VDbGO)
320
Assume 200k dead that lose 20 years each and American longevity goes down by 4.6 days.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 25, 2020 06:20 PM (9TdxA)
321
Assume 200k dead that lose 20 years each and American longevity goes down by 4.6 days.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 25, 2020 06:20 PM (9TdxA)
Don't empower the Karens!
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 25, 2020 06:20 PM (9TdxA)
Don't empower the Karens!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 25, 2020 06:22 PM (6wiwL)
322
'Cuz if you ain't 21, you ain't Black, Jack!
Posted by: Joe Biden-tender at May 25, 2020 06:20 PM (Ypqc1)
Do Democrats automatically expect the wi**er vote too?
'Cuz if you ain't 21, you ain't Black, Jack!
Posted by: Joe Biden-tender at May 25, 2020 06:20 PM (Ypqc1)
Do Democrats automatically expect the wi**er vote too?
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at May 25, 2020 06:23 PM (Zz0t1)
323
It sounds partisan but the only two Presidents that I question their love for America is Clinton and Obama.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 06:23 PM (2DOZq)
324
One of a few WWII stories I have had the privilege of being told by the old fellas. Whilst living in London for a time in the late 80's, I worked with an older (60's) bloke called Charlie. Charlie was very tall for a Cockney, swore like a trooper, loved a pint , limped badly in his Doc Marten boots and was a really top bloke. After some time of working together , once he worked out what I was saying (Kiwi vs Cockney), and he knew I was mil spec, he came to like me. One day after Armistice Day I spotted a 1st Para Brigade badge on his shirt, so I knew he was a Para. Charlie had never said anything. A day later after a Friday liquid lunch I asked him, why do you limp so much you old bugger? " Fark off you cheeky twat, I limp because I is only got one toe"
How come you only got one toe?
"Dropped at Arnham, got to the road, walked for two minutes and stepped on a Shu mine."
Utter respect..
Here's to you Charlie.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at May 25, 2020 06:14
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What a great story. Can anyone translate?
How come you only got one toe?
"Dropped at Arnham, got to the road, walked for two minutes and stepped on a Shu mine."
Utter respect..
Here's to you Charlie.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at May 25, 2020 06:14
-------------------------------
What a great story. Can anyone translate?
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at May 25, 2020 06:24 PM (Dhht7)
325
A poem carried by Eleanor Roosevelt in her purse, given to her by
coordinator for American, British and Canadian intelligence, Sir William
Stephenso.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at May 25, 2020 06:11 PM (IDhUW)
What, no hot sauce.....
coordinator for American, British and Canadian intelligence, Sir William
Stephenso.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at May 25, 2020 06:11 PM (IDhUW)
What, no hot sauce.....
Posted by: Colin at May 25, 2020 06:24 PM (iTUCF)
326
@Les Kinetic, I should have listed the source. I thought everyone would recognize it, but maybe not. "The Death of the Ball Turret Gunner," Randall Jarrell.
Today we remember:
CPT Mike Ritz
SSG Gary Epps
LTC Dominic "Rocky" Baragona
COL (Dr) Brian Allgood
Today we remember:
CPT Mike Ritz
SSG Gary Epps
LTC Dominic "Rocky" Baragona
COL (Dr) Brian Allgood
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 25, 2020 06:24 PM (qQ7kL)
327
Why, flier shearing the rare strata of air
Knowing the awakening of speed shared
by no bird
Why, when the whole ocean of resilient air
is yours
Stoop to consider the cramped earth?...
Note with aloof and precise observation
gestations in opening mushrooms of
The crude flame and expelled dust
That foul the floor of your cage.
And remember that you alone
Can escape through the single door
Open to Heaven.
Sir William Stephenson
Knowing the awakening of speed shared
by no bird
Why, when the whole ocean of resilient air
is yours
Stoop to consider the cramped earth?...
Note with aloof and precise observation
gestations in opening mushrooms of
The crude flame and expelled dust
That foul the floor of your cage.
And remember that you alone
Can escape through the single door
Open to Heaven.
Sir William Stephenson
Posted by: Sam Adams at May 25, 2020 06:25 PM (VDbGO)
328
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at May 25, 2020 06:14
-------------------------------
What a great story. Can anyone translate?
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at May 25, 2020 06:24 PM (Dhht7)
I SAID,CAN YOU SEE MY LIPS MOVING?
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at May 25, 2020 06:14
-------------------------------
What a great story. Can anyone translate?
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at May 25, 2020 06:24 PM (Dhht7)
I SAID,CAN YOU SEE MY LIPS MOVING?
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at May 25, 2020 06:25 PM (bgJ0E)
329
Should have had a "j/k" after my post, NZFrank. 
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at May 25, 2020 06:26 PM (Dhht7)
330
Vox
@voxdotcom
We ought to also set aside time to remember those throughout American history who have tried hardest to reduce [war], to prevent unnecessary loss of life both American and foreign: war resisters," writes @dylanmatt
https://tinyurl.com/ydydrtdw
@voxdotcom
We ought to also set aside time to remember those throughout American history who have tried hardest to reduce [war], to prevent unnecessary loss of life both American and foreign: war resisters," writes @dylanmatt
https://tinyurl.com/ydydrtdw
Posted by: redridinghood at May 25, 2020 06:26 PM (wiXsO)
331
Japan lost the battle of Midway again, you might think they keep trying movie after movie and they would get it right once.
Posted by: Skip at May 25, 2020 06:28 PM (ZCEU2)
332
We ought to also set aside time to remember those throughout American history who have tried hardest to reduce [war], to prevent unnecessary loss of life both American and foreign: war resisters," writes @dylanmatt
https://tinyurl.com/ydydrtdw
Posted by: redridinghood at May 25, 2020 06:26 PM (wiXsO)
Someone should respond that Neville Chamberlain is already remembered in history.
https://tinyurl.com/ydydrtdw
Posted by: redridinghood at May 25, 2020 06:26 PM (wiXsO)
Someone should respond that Neville Chamberlain is already remembered in history.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 25, 2020 06:28 PM (2DOZq)
333
No wucking furries, olddog I only speak snark. Cheers.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at May 25, 2020 06:28 PM (bgJ0E)
334
73 45---The idea seemed to have meaning for Spike, so I offer it to the Horde.
Thanks for that. Very thought provoking. And I think true. I know that's how my son feels about his service. He always says there are moments that are bigger than us. He chose to join the marines after he saw Saving Private Ryan. He told me, 'Mom, someone from my generation has to be willing to do what they did. His enlistment was up 2 days after 9/11, but he reupped because that was one of those 'moments'.
Thanks for that. Very thought provoking. And I think true. I know that's how my son feels about his service. He always says there are moments that are bigger than us. He chose to join the marines after he saw Saving Private Ryan. He told me, 'Mom, someone from my generation has to be willing to do what they did. His enlistment was up 2 days after 9/11, but he reupped because that was one of those 'moments'.
Posted by: marinemom at May 25, 2020 06:28 PM (RS5cU)
335
I put up a new post if anyone cares to adjourn to a lighter thread...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 25, 2020 06:28 PM (dLLD6)
336
For the first time, I pan seared steaks and finished them in the oven.
Overcooked it and I'm very disappointed.
Other than that, the corn turned out perfect, the mushrooms and onions in red wine sauce and the wife's salad is darn good.
But I know full well that because of what this day means, I'm able to sit here, eat my beef, corn and salad, drink a beer and feel proud to be an American.
Overcooked it and I'm very disappointed.
Other than that, the corn turned out perfect, the mushrooms and onions in red wine sauce and the wife's salad is darn good.
But I know full well that because of what this day means, I'm able to sit here, eat my beef, corn and salad, drink a beer and feel proud to be an American.
Posted by: Sponge - China is asshoe! at May 25, 2020 06:28 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: fluffy at May 25, 2020 06:30 PM (FgJKq)
338
One side cannot stop a war if the other side is dead set for it.
Posted by: Skip at May 25, 2020 06:30 PM (ZCEU2)
339
chiang had to fight the communists who mostly did not confront the japanese, and the imperial army, was their corruption of aid monies, probably, that's practically a given,
was their corruption among mao's cohort, without a doubt, but 60 million dead, probably covers over a great deal
was their corruption among mao's cohort, without a doubt, but 60 million dead, probably covers over a great deal
Posted by: gaius martius at May 25, 2020 06:31 PM (hMlTh)
340
I'm reading up on Paddy Mayne, a northern Irishman who was the first recruit into the SAS during WWII. Before the war he starred at rugby for Ireland and the British Lions. His wartime
exploits were unbelievable. The early ones inspired the Rat Patrol.
He should have been awarded the Victoria Cross thrice but he had beaten up a superior officer who crossed him (he had shot Paddy's pet dog) and ... he was Irish
exploits were unbelievable. The early ones inspired the Rat Patrol.
He should have been awarded the Victoria Cross thrice but he had beaten up a superior officer who crossed him (he had shot Paddy's pet dog) and ... he was Irish
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 25, 2020 06:32 PM (9TdxA)
341
The father of our best friends in SoCal, was a 14 yr old kid on Guam during the Japanese occupation. We used to go to The Sons and Daughters of Guam club on Memorial Day with them.
A hushed story circulated around the members about how he had snuck out of the caves with some of his friends and wrecked havoc with Japanese patrols on the island. The Guam resistance.
https://www.usrepresented.com/2018/06/14/guam/
A hushed story circulated around the members about how he had snuck out of the caves with some of his friends and wrecked havoc with Japanese patrols on the island. The Guam resistance.
https://www.usrepresented.com/2018/06/14/guam/
Posted by: Traveling Man Who's Stuck At Home&&&& at May 25, 2020 06:33 PM (/VzmO)
342
Traveling Man you put up that AoSHq monopoly board ? Copied it and just around to seeing it, cool.
Posted by: Skip at May 25, 2020 06:35 PM (ZCEU2)
343
336 For the first time, I pan seared steaks and finished them in the oven.
==
try the opposite - oven first (very low, 200-250F), then sear on hot hot pan
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try the opposite - oven first (very low, 200-250F), then sear on hot hot pan
Posted by: vmom with link to Muldoon's WW2 book at May 25, 2020 06:38 PM (G546f)
344
#340
I think part of the legend is making a squadron of Luftwaffe bombers inoperable by tearing out the flight controls with his bare hands.
There was also something about fireballs out of his arse, but my memory fails me.
I think part of the legend is making a squadron of Luftwaffe bombers inoperable by tearing out the flight controls with his bare hands.
There was also something about fireballs out of his arse, but my memory fails me.
Posted by: Patrick C Carroll at May 25, 2020 06:39 PM (2D4Ga)
345
@344 true. They had run out of explosives,
Paddy liked walking into mess halls and killing every German in sight
Paddy liked walking into mess halls and killing every German in sight
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 25, 2020 06:44 PM (9TdxA)
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I don't know of an actual Wild Geese museum in Galway.
There's a pretty decent Galway museum down by the Spanish Arch. Maybe that's what you're thinking about.
Posted by: Patrick C Carroll at May 25, 2020 05:56 PM (2D4Ga)
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Sorry about that. I meant the county, not the city. I think it was at a castle somewhere in Galway. But don't quote me on that! LOL
There's a pretty decent Galway museum down by the Spanish Arch. Maybe that's what you're thinking about.
Posted by: Patrick C Carroll at May 25, 2020 05:56 PM (2D4Ga)
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Sorry about that. I meant the county, not the city. I think it was at a castle somewhere in Galway. But don't quote me on that! LOL
Posted by: IrishEi at May 25, 2020 06:51 PM (sGotD)
Posted by: Patrick C Carroll at May 25, 2020 07:08 PM (2D4Ga)
Posted by: IrishEi at May 25, 2020 07:17 PM (sGotD)
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My apologies. I meant no insult. My uncle Sean (now in his 90's) lives in Portumna. I'm ashamed I ever missed it.
Thanks for that.
Thanks for that.
Posted by: Patrick C Carroll at May 25, 2020 07:20 PM (2D4Ga)
Posted by: Richard Aubrey at May 25, 2020 07:22 PM (fikzx)
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My apologies. I meant no insult. My uncle Sean (now in his 90's) lives in Portumna. I'm ashamed I ever missed it.
Thanks for that.
Posted by: Patrick C Carroll at May 25, 2020 07:20 PM (2D4Ga)
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Please don't apologize! I took no offense at all. In fact, I should have looked it up at first.
Thanks for that.
Posted by: Patrick C Carroll at May 25, 2020 07:20 PM (2D4Ga)
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Please don't apologize! I took no offense at all. In fact, I should have looked it up at first.
Posted by: IrishEi at May 25, 2020 07:54 PM (sGotD)
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This is absolutely amazing reading through these threads. Jumping back and froth from HQ to google to learn more. Thankx to many above for their knowledge. It was my great honor in the early 70's to meet and know for several years two survivors of the Death March of Bataan. Both men with cold hard steely eyes and would never speak unless spoken to.
Posted by: Sherpa_k2 at May 25, 2020 08:14 PM (EGaJQ)
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