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Consumer Confidence Hit Highest Level in 19 Years

For those keeping track, that would be the highest level since before Obama's and Bush's terms.

The only consumer confidence level higher than today's was at the very peak of the Clinton/Tech bubble.

Consumer confidence is the highest its been in nearly 20 years. And yet, a recent MRC analysis showed that liberal media networks only gave President Donald Trump's economy less than one percent coverage on their evening newscasts over a period of 100 days.

Bloomberg News reported Jan. 16 that "U.S. consumer confidence advanced last week to the highest level in more than 19 years" [emphasis added]. Also, The Wall Street Journal reported on Jan. 14 that "A healthy U.S. economy pushed up profits at America's biggest banks, allowing them to grow even though falling interest rates made lending less profitable." JPMorgan Chase and Citigroup were propelled to double-digit earnings growth in the final three months of 2019. "JPMorgan, the biggest U.S. bank by assets, reported its most profitable year on record," [emphasis added] according to The Journal.

Most profitable year on record? That's quite an assessment considering we were headed for economic doom, if you listened to the liberal media brouhaha about a recession in recent months.

Although the Democrats (by which I mean "the media") claim that the Trump Boom is only helping the 1%, that's a total lie. In fact, Trump's years are the only years since the eighties when low-income and working-class people have seen their own wages rise at a decent clip.

Between November 2018 and November 2019, overall median wage growth climbed 3.6 percent, a healthy pace that should lift spirits, too. Those in the bottom 25 percent saw wages advance 4.5 percent, while the top 25 percent lagged, with pay rising just 2.9 percent. This is the 180-degree exact opposite of what Democrats relentlessly bellow. They have equal access to the Atlanta Fed’s website. This confirms their rank dishonesty.

And the economy continues producing jobs at a faster rate than new workers are entering the labor force -- resulting in the first wage increases for the bottom quintiles in 20, 30 years.

Earlier this week Instapundit noted some other economic news:

To win the election, the Democrats need something to throw the Golden Juggernaut of an economy God-King Trump has built for us.

There really are only two possibilities that come to mind big enough to derail the Golden Juggernaut:

a huge and sudden trade-war death spiral with China, or

a major terrorist attack on the US that does as much damage as 9/11.

Well, it looks like the chances of a trade war with China are off the table -- at least, it seems impossible now that one could begin quickly enough to impact the economy ahead of the 2020 elections.

Go, gee, I wonder what the Disloyal Opposition is rooting for instead?

With the Phase One trade deal signing scheduled for tomorrow, new details have emerged about China’s pledge to significantly ramp up purchases of U.S. exports including manufactured goods, food, farm products, energy and services, sources told Reuters.

The Phase One deal includes agreements on intellectual property, technology transfers and currency as well as explicit commitments from China to buy at least $200 billion of U.S. exports over the next two years, according to a U.S. Trade Representative document.

...

The target for manufactured goods is the largest, with China pledging to spend an additional $80 billion on U.S. autos, auto parts, aircraft, machinery, medical devices and semiconductors. China will also buy over $50 billion more in energy supplies and around $35 billion more of U.S. services.

Chinese purchases of U.S. agriculture products (a critical component of the Phase One deal) will increase by $32 billion, or $16 billion a year, sources told Reuters.

The left has been warning about the dangers of a trade war with China since Trump entered the Republican primary in 2015 -- but now has reversed itself and is nigh-opening despairing that it won't get the trade war it needs.

Reaction was predictably partisan. On CNBC, Steve Bannon said that President Trump "broke the Chinese Communist Party," and the U.S. "gave up very little in the end." On the same program, hedge fund manager Kyle Bass said that he sees the agreement as a "'temporary truce' in which the U.S. got the better of China."

At the New York Times, on the other hand, there was wailing and gnashing of teeth:


President Trump signed an initial trade deal with China on Wednesday, bringing the first chapter of a protracted and economically damaging fight with one of the world's largest economies to a close.

Has the trade conflict with China damaged the U.S. economy? To some degree it has, although it has certainly hurt China's economy more. This is the kind of short-term pain that Barack Obama, for example, was unwilling to accept. And yet economic growth under President Trump has been considerably better than under Obama.

...

I suppose it would be churlish to ask what Barack Obama, the Times's favorite president, accomplished on these fronts.

And the today started with very strong news in housing and corporate earnings.

December's incredible jump in new-home building will be hard to replicate, at least one analyst said after the data release.

"In one line: Spectacular but clearly unsustainable," Ian Shepherdson, chief economist for Pantheon Macroeconomics, said of the December housing starts data release.

"The much warmer-than-usual December weather likely boosted activity, but these are nonetheless very startling numbers, which will lift forecasts for Q4 residential investment," he said. "But activity can't be sustained at this level, and a hefty correction in January is a good bet. The permits numbers are a better guide to the underlying picture because they are much less weather-sensitive, and the December numbers are a bit disappointing."

I'll take "spectacular but unsustainable at this startling level" over Obama's eight years of Green Shoots and Recovery Summers.

Say -- anyone seen Kurt?

Paul Krugman's so distraught that he's retiring from making economic prognostications and returning to his first passion-- downloading terabytes of child pornography.

He says he doesn't want to come to the end of his life and wonder, "What if...?"

Posted by: Ace at 02:39 PM




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1 Orange man bad

Posted by: steevy at January 17, 2020 02:40 PM (KNsKs)

2 Cucks hardest hit.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at January 17, 2020 02:41 PM (JRaU+)

3 The only consumer confidence level higher than today's was at the very peak of the Clinton/Tech bubble.

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Welp, its all downhill from here.

Posted by: SH at January 17, 2020 02:41 PM (sX1BW)

4 read the content, rookie mistake by longtime lurker.

Posted by: Lurking Slacker who lurks and slacks at January 17, 2020 02:42 PM (W4M6f)

5 Hah...take that, leftists; the only thing your beloved Obama did successfully is tanking the economy.

Posted by: IC at January 17, 2020 02:42 PM (a0IVu)

6 You're welcome. Serfs.

Posted by: Preezy 44 at January 17, 2020 02:42 PM (6VO15)

7 Im confident enough to drop 7$ on a pitcher of beer! Includes free chips and salsa! Adios, Horditos.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid, at January 17, 2020 02:43 PM (Vy7tf)

8 If that's not an impeachable offense, I don't know what is.

Posted by: ShainS, Club Gulag > Club Gitmo at January 17, 2020 02:43 PM (7PV5I)

9 Gotta say, THIS consumer is pretty damned confident. Have not felt the way I do now since, well, ever.

Posted by: tubal at January 17, 2020 02:43 PM (qhmX5)

10 Yeah, #$#% Kurt!

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 17, 2020 02:43 PM (xfb67)

11 If I would have came here first instead of seeing the ONT I cou lda been a contender

Posted by: Skip at January 17, 2020 02:43 PM (ZCEU2)

12 Obama's economy doing pretty well.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 17, 2020 02:43 PM (KUaJL)

13 The only consumer confidence level higher than today's was at the very peak of the Clinton/Tech bubble.

...

Paul Krugman's so distraught that he's retiring from making economic prognostications and returning to his first passion-- downloading terabytes of child pornography.

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It took 19 years for the download speeds to catch up to his fetish.

Posted by: SH at January 17, 2020 02:43 PM (sX1BW)

14 Explains why Tom Steyer has changed his ads from the one that claims Trump is going to bankrupt the US just like he did with his own fortune to. . . he's a racist, liar, impeached for crimes.
Ha!


Meanwhile little Mike as droning on about pre-existing conditions in his latest.

Cry more!

Posted by: Lizzy at January 17, 2020 02:43 PM (bDqIh)

15 In fact, Trump's years are the only years since the eighties when low-income and working-class people have seen their own wages rise at a decent clip.

Say, aren't Trump and Reagan the most hated by The Establishment? Curious...

Posted by: t-bird at January 17, 2020 02:44 PM (lK7fO)

16 But on the topic, and they want to get rid of our greatest President.

Posted by: Skip at January 17, 2020 02:44 PM (ZCEU2)

17 Between November 2018 and November 2019, overall median wage growth climbed 3.6 percent, a healthy pace that should lift spirits, too. Those in the bottom 25 percent saw wages advance 4.5 percent, while the top 25 percent lagged, with pay rising just 2.9 percent. This is the 180-degree exact opposite of what Democrats relentlessly bellow. They have equal access to the Atlanta Fed's website. This confirms their rank dishonesty.
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This is so very easy to do. Look at it in absolute terms instead of proportional terms.

If you earned, say $20k/yr, that 4.5% increase is $900.
If you earned, say, $150k/year, that 2.9% increase is $4,350.

See? The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. There is no other interpretation. The affluent got a $4k raise and the poor got a $1k raise. Trump hates the poor.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 02:45 PM (I2dne)

18 >>Obama's economy doing pretty well.


You're welcome, America!

Posted by: Barack the Magnificent at January 17, 2020 02:45 PM (bDqIh)

19 This is terrible news, we must join in the calls for impeachment.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 17, 2020 02:45 PM (YslsA)

20 16 But on the topic, and they want to get rid of our greatest President.
Posted by: Skip at January 17, 2020 02:44 PM (ZCEU2)

Well, he is the greatest President in the last hundred years, for sure.

Posted by: tubal at January 17, 2020 02:45 PM (qhmX5)

21 The only consumer confidence level higher than today's was at the very peak of the Clinton/Tech bubble.

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So what you are saying is impeachments are good for the economy.

My theory is when Congress is focusing on impeachments, they aren't passing laws to fuck up the economy.

Posted by: SH at January 17, 2020 02:45 PM (sX1BW)

22 The Economy is only important to the media when it's BAD-----and a Republican is president.

Posted by: JoeF. at January 17, 2020 02:46 PM (CqE5x)

23 Hell of a coinky dink that Trump undid everything the Lightbearer did and now we don't need a never-ending series of recovery summers.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at January 17, 2020 02:46 PM (+y/Ru)

24 The only consumer confidence level higher than today's was at the very peak of the Clinton/Tech bubble.
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Welp, its all downhill from here.
Posted by: SH at January 17, 2020 02:41 PM (sX1BW)
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At some point, yes. Probably even fairly soon, at least in certain sectors (tech is pretty overvalued again). I just hope that the correction (which is what it should be, and probably a pretty big one, but unlikely to be a total disaster like '0 comes *after* the election.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 02:46 PM (I2dne)

25 Studies show that the more confident a consumer is, the more likely they are to do something stupid.

Posted by: New York Times at January 17, 2020 02:46 PM (xfb67)

26 This great economy despite Trump reducing immigration --- how can that be?

Posted by: Fox Butterfield at January 17, 2020 02:46 PM (bDqIh)

27 To be fair, I did well during the Clinton years.

Posted by: tubal at January 17, 2020 02:46 PM (qhmX5)

28
CNBC Headlines:

US housing starts soar 16.9% in December to a 13 year high

US manufacturing output rises unexpectedly

Manufacturers to spend $26.2 billion on upskilling in 2020 to attract and keep workers



Just terrible news. For the left

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 17, 2020 02:47 PM (kw5n8)

29 Recovery Summer has turned into Recovery Fall, and now Recovery Winter.
Now, if the stupid Fed Reserve will keep their kung fu grip hands off of the button to raise interest rates, we'll continue healing from the last decade +.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 17, 2020 02:47 PM (q1Pj5)

30 Oh yeah?!

How many jobs have been saved?

You should be thanking me.

/s/ B.O.

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at January 17, 2020 02:47 PM (vPKfA)

31 Gotta say, it's been a good three year$ at Ca$a Z

Posted by: zeera BMGG - Books Make Great Gifts! at January 17, 2020 02:47 PM (PYdI2)

32 Still not terrific, but going in the right direction. Just like the 4+ percent growth in the last quarter. This is a nice slow burn rate, rather than explosive, out of control growth which can get inflationy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 02:47 PM (KZzsI)

33 The liberal WSJ took another tact. They basically said there is no way we could deliver the amount of trade to China on the agreement. That it basically meant on some exports we would have to redirect our entire output to China. No mention of the actual capacity we have on those commodities and what we are capable of.

Assholes.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at January 17, 2020 02:48 PM (T9S9h)

34 Studies show that rising bottom-quintile incomes result in more spending instead of saving, and thus income growth in this area is ineffective for long-term benefit.

- Your NY Times Editorial Board

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 02:48 PM (I2dne)

35 You guys are going to tell me when to sell my stocks so I don't get burned, right?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 17, 2020 02:48 PM (xfb67)

36 Studies show that the more confident a consumer is, the more likely they are to do something stupid.
Posted by: New York Times at January 17, 2020 02:46 PM (xfb67)

Like start voting for Democrats?

It's happened before.

Posted by: JoeF. at January 17, 2020 02:48 PM (CqE5x)

37 It is the economy, stupid. Unless you are a Republican in the new Millennium and then it is every thing but the economy. That this thing is even close is scary really. The game has changed and for many even if you make their lives better it is not enough.

Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 02:48 PM (n13/j)

38 WSJ is part of the Deep State, IMO. Their agenda is globalist status quo.

Posted by: tubal at January 17, 2020 02:49 PM (qhmX5)

39 The housing starts are because the industry heard that a Warren admin would stop all housing if there aren't carbon offsets.

THOSE DON'T COUNT!!!!! They aren't sustainable. It's just rapers of the land making their last buck before sanity rules the day.

Posted by: Groundhog at January 17, 2020 02:49 PM (VYwSh)

40 Like start voting for Democrats?

It's happened before.
Posted by: JoeF. at January 17, 2020 02:48 PM (CqE5x)


"Hey, things are pretty good right now. What's the worst that could happen if we put these other guys in charge, right?"

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 17, 2020 02:49 PM (KUaJL)

41 Trump welcoming the LSU team to the WH was a hoot. He said he thought they were going to give him the Heisman, not just a jersey.

Posted by: Jmel at January 17, 2020 02:49 PM (MB5y6)

42 The thing to remember is that free markets rise and fall in almost regular waves. One main purpose of the Federal Reserve is to try to even those out, lower highs and shallower lows. Whether that is a good idea or not is up to some discussion -- is it worth preventing deeper recessions at the cost of preventing greater growth? I'm skeptical, and I am also extremely skeptical that the principles the Fed bases its controls on are applicable as much or at all in the internet age.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 02:49 PM (KZzsI)

43 I can't wait to see ISHITMYPANTS Biden, day it's all due to Obama.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at January 17, 2020 02:49 PM (T9S9h)

44 You guys are going to tell me when to sell my stocks so I don't get burned, right?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe



I just use a Magic 8 Ball.

Posted by: eleven at January 17, 2020 02:49 PM (Qf83p)

45
To protect the Constitution we must wreck the economy.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 17, 2020 02:49 PM (7rVsF)

46

Look, this is all well and good, but at what price. We cannot have this vulgarity and coarseness running through our politics and just because we have great economic news think that it's ok! Think of the children and future generation, what will they think!!!

- Jonah Goldturb

Posted by: Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller, Lesbian at January 17, 2020 02:50 PM (lg/F7)

47 Lol the Krugman dig!

BTW, what did the Times "investigation" uncover?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2020 02:50 PM (ptqGC)

48 Trump > Reagan.


And the gap is getting bigger every day.

Posted by: Mr. Wiffle Snuff at January 17, 2020 02:50 PM (keZH+)

49 Meanwhile little Mike as droning on about pre-existing conditions in his latest.

Actually, this IS an issue, virtually everyone has some kind of preexisting condition if the docs/insurers are prepared to dig enough.

Fixing American health insurance/care/whatever depends on two factors - doing away with employer-based health insurance and getting rid of the preexisting conditions thing.

I don't want to sound like I'm Bernie, but if you really want to fix the problem, you've got to go there.

Posted by: JEM at January 17, 2020 02:50 PM (8erNz)

50 "Hey, things are pretty good right now. What's the worst that could happen if we put these other guys in charge, right?"
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 17, 2020 02:49 PM (KUaJL)
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I think it is a little bit different from that. I suspect it is more like, "We're doing well and things are humming along. I have more money in my pocket and lots of folks are richer. Some people are left behind, though, and these other folks say we can do more to help them. We can afford it, so let's give it a shot."

The premise is false (their policies will never ever help), but I would not be surprised if that is the thought process that leads to the same stupid behavior time and time again.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 02:51 PM (I2dne)

51
Speaking of CNBC as lefty as it can be at least it has Morgan Brennan's cleavage and Seema Mody. Bloomberg "news" is nothing but lefty propaganda. They just had a segment on millionaires who want to pay higher taxes. Well pay them. The whole station needs to be closed and everyone kicked out on the street. Except for Taylor Riggs. She will be added to my harem

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 17, 2020 02:51 PM (kw5n8)

52 I have all of my money in Bitcoin and Waifu Pillows.

Posted by: Paul Krugman at January 17, 2020 02:51 PM (PbpT7)

53 You guys are going to tell me when to sell my stocks so I don't get burned, right?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe





I just use a Magic 8 Ball.

Posted by: eleven at January 17, 2020 02:49 PM (Qf83p)

I use Miss Cleo.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 17, 2020 02:51 PM (q1Pj5)

54
The thing to remember is that free markets rise and fall in almost regular waves. One main purpose of the Federal Reserve is to try to even those out, lower highs and shallower lows.

It did such a bang-up job between 1929 and 1941.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 17, 2020 02:51 PM (7rVsF)

55 And yet people especially women who see their paychecks get larger will vote for a decrepit pedophile because orange man bad.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Everywhere at January 17, 2020 02:51 PM (+dsLj)

56 But how can confidence be so high when everyone is working two, three jobs?
Under Obama, they had only the stress of maybe one job and had more time for funemployment and staycations!

/s/ AOC

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at January 17, 2020 02:51 PM (vPKfA)

57 At some point, you've had enough consumer confidence.

-- some former preezy

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2020 02:51 PM (ptqGC)

58 The left is out there saying "all part time low wage jobs, no good for anyone, poor are miserable INFLATION AND RECESSION ON THE HORIZON!!!!"

Its almost comical for those of us who remember the Reagan years and that exact song being sung. I recall the gloom and doom songs pop music was cranking out while the Reagan boom was happening. It was like they were stuck in the Carter years and could not admit anything was going well.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 02:51 PM (KZzsI)

59 You don't understand ace, prosperity and full employment cause the flu! We need socialism for public health purposes!

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at January 17, 2020 02:51 PM (RD7QR)

60 History is being made across the board with Trump.

It only proves just how much the left hates us and America.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 17, 2020 02:52 PM (vEIlU)

61 Ace, your art thread today was spectacular! Thanks for that.

Posted by: Paul Krugman at January 17, 2020 02:52 PM (ATCV4)

62 A comment on the MassLive web site about the Springfield MGM casino that opened a year plus ago is sucking wind.

People just don't have the discretionary cash in the past 2 years to gamble at a casino. stock market is at record highs, but does no good for the wage earner, only the wealthy investor with money to spare. Wages may be up a couple percent, but inflation, increased costs for food and health care, and added costs for other consumer goods because of tariffs have eroded the purchasing power of the weekly paycheck.

Posted by: Groundhog at January 17, 2020 02:52 PM (VYwSh)

63 Democrats know these numbers.

I think smart politicians of every stripe know that presidential elections largely turn on the economy and war.

They can't tank the economy, so they've been trying to gin up a war, which Trump isn't going to deliver.

They know all of this, and I think they've give up on anything close to a win in 2020. The House is gone for them. They're not getting the Senate. And the presidency?

Can you think of a better crop of wannabe losers to throw at the buzzsaw?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 02:52 PM (q80AH)

64 Another termand hopefully it will be Barak who?

Posted by: Skip at January 17, 2020 02:52 PM (ZCEU2)

65 Trump > Reagan.


And the gap is getting bigger every day.

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I'm not ready to go that far.

Let's just say both were the right man for the time.

Posted by: SH at January 17, 2020 02:52 PM (sX1BW)

66 Fixing American health insurance/care/whatever depends on two factors - doing away with employer-based health insurance and getting rid of the preexisting conditions thing.

I don't want to sound like I'm Bernie, but if you really want to fix the problem, you've got to go there.
Posted by: JEM at January 17, 2020 02:50 PM (8erNz)
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You've also got to fix pricing, which will ameliorate a lot of what ails the medical industry. There is no competition and everything is opaque. Without competition, there can be no price reduction. And "pre-existing conditions" are a tricky subject without a good answer, but a lot of room for negotiation and maneuvering.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 02:53 PM (I2dne)

67 35 You guys are going to tell me when to sell my stocks so I don't get burned, right?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

I'd say early 2024.

Posted by: x at January 17, 2020 02:53 PM (nFwvY)

68 59 You don't understand ace, prosperity and full employment cause the flu! We need socialism for public health purposes!
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at January 17, 2020 02:51 PM (RD7QR)

===========

"And the sex. Mostly the sex."
-Sad soibois who can't get girls

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 02:53 PM (q80AH)

69 I think I'm going to kill myself.

Posted by: Paul Krugman at January 17, 2020 02:53 PM (ptqGC)

70 overall median wage growth climbed 3.6 percent,


Thanks to Trump, people now have to fret over what to do with their extra income, adding extra stress to already stressed families.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 17, 2020 02:53 PM (dNzKv)

71 BTW, what did the Times "investigation" uncover?

Yeah I watched years of NCIS, one weird goth chick could have gone through the entire internet by now and found all they needed to know.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 02:53 PM (KZzsI)

72 The flu? Well, it's a FACT!!! that the Trump Flu Vaccine this year is ineffective!!! OrangeManBad! Reeeeeee

Posted by: tubal at January 17, 2020 02:53 PM (qhmX5)

73 Unemployment benefits have a two to three times multiplier effect on stimulating the economy!
We are losing that stimulus if they're getting jobs!
/s/ N. Pelosi

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at January 17, 2020 02:53 PM (vPKfA)

74 Trump > Reagan.

******

I loved Reagan but I am inclined to agree. Reagan was of a time when Democrats voted unanimously to confirm Scalia for SCOTUS.


Posted by: Two Weeks From Everywhere at January 17, 2020 02:53 PM (+dsLj)

75 My theory is when Congress is focusing on impeachments, they aren't passing laws to fuck up the economy.

Posted by: SH at January 17, 2020 02:45 PM (sX1BW)

My theory is purging the parasites from the top and bottom of our society would result in indefinite expansion. Starting with Congress.

Posted by: trev006 at January 17, 2020 02:54 PM (+9YYq)

76 That Orange Monster has Killed us all!

Posted by: garrett at January 17, 2020 02:54 PM (XShdm)

77 Churchill saved Western Civ and they threw him out. Papa Bush was thrown out after wining a war but not guessing the price of milk right. So many are so clueless that they just assume the good in their lives will continue and they can now vote in a way to impress their wine mom friends.

If Trump wins, it will be despite the wine moms and suburban types. It will be the people who are most affected by economic trends. It will be those making less that push him to victory.

Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 02:54 PM (n13/j)

78 How is he going to that? He doesn't have a magic wand.

Posted by: Barack Obama at January 17, 2020 02:54 PM (cg4r6)

79 "Posted by: sniffybigtoe"

You should already be cutting your overall exposure to equities. In a general election year there is always more uncertainty.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at January 17, 2020 02:54 PM (T9S9h)

80 73 Unemployment benefits have a two to three times multiplier effect on stimulating the economy!
We are losing that stimulus if they're getting jobs!
/s/ N. Pelosi
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at January 17, 2020 02:53 PM (vPKfA)

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That argument was always so transparently stupid. I'm glad no one seems to make it anymore.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 02:54 PM (q80AH)

81 @49

The pre-exisitng issue is easily solved.

1. Pre-Exisiting conditons will be covered.
2. The end-user has to pay for them/buy up a rider.
3. The amount paid for the pre-existing coverage will be capped/means tested.


It's a workable solution that solves most of the issues.


So of course there is not a snowballs chance in hell that this will be considered.

Much less pimped by the GOP.

Posted by: Mr. Wiffle Snuff at January 17, 2020 02:54 PM (keZH+)

82 65 Trump > Reagan.


And the gap is getting bigger every day.

-----------

I'm not ready to go that far.

Let's just say both were the right man for the time.

Posted by: SH at January 17, 2020 02:52 PM (sX1BW)


I will say that, for the times, Reagan was a Godsend.

Posted by: tubal at January 17, 2020 02:54 PM (qhmX5)

83 Say -- anyone seen Kurt?

Default response: Bathhouse

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 17, 2020 02:54 PM (y7DUB)

84 OrangeMan Bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: NPC_10001111 at January 17, 2020 02:55 PM (vk+y5)

85 Reproductive rights = Solvent Green is vegetarian. (From vegetarians)

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at January 17, 2020 02:55 PM (WmJSv)

86 #LOLGF Democrats.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2020 02:55 PM (VnxtC)

87 Paul Krugman hardest hit!!!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 17, 2020 02:55 PM (wtvvX)

88 overall median wage growth climbed 3.6 percent,


Actually..... we found this one family whose income plummeted by a staggering 1.2% thanks to Trump's tax cuts. Up next, hear what these REAL Americans think of Trump.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 17, 2020 02:55 PM (dNzKv)

89 Haha ha... Martha McSally registered liberalhack.com.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 17, 2020 02:55 PM (r+sAi)

90 Although the Democrats (by which I mean "the media") claim that the Trump Boom is only helping the 1%, that's a total lie.
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A lie? A lie???? A total lie???

Salt fetcher! Star and garter arranger!!!! A couch to cushion my fall!!! Stat!

Posted by: ... at January 17, 2020 02:55 PM (uEbPt)

91 On CNBC, Steve Bannon said that President Trump "broke the Chinese Communist Party," and the U.S. "gave up very little in the end." On the same program, hedge fund manager Kyle Bass said that he sees the agreement as a "'temporary truce' in which the U.S. got the better of China."




This morning on Bloomberg "news" there was some douchebag saying China won and gave up nothing and we gave into them

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 17, 2020 02:55 PM (kw5n8)

92 88 overall median wage growth climbed 3.6 percent,


Actually..... we found this one family whose income plummeted by a staggering 1.2% thanks to Trump's tax cuts. Up next, hear what these REAL Americans think of Trump.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 17, 2020 02:55 PM (dNzKv)

==========

And the homeless! Why won't anyone think of the homeless?!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 02:55 PM (q80AH)

93 If Trump starts bringing troops home this summer from all the crazy stupid places we've sent them in the last decade, he'll win in a landslide.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 02:56 PM (KZzsI)

94
You know, it's like everything these economic experts have been telling us over the last 30 - 40 years has been abject bullshit.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at January 17, 2020 02:56 PM (f1Vqw)

95 Trump found Barry's missing wand.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2020 02:56 PM (ptqGC)

96 Kurt Eichenwald 'said' he sold all his kids college fund stocks in 2016..

https://tinyurl.com/sy39wjz

Good thing they all know better than us !

Posted by: McCool at January 17, 2020 02:56 PM (sZaoP)

97 Hey Barack, your economy didn't kill itself.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 17, 2020 02:56 PM (r+sAi)

98 94
You know, it's like everything these economic experts have been telling us over the last 30 - 40 years has been abject bullshit.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at January 17, 2020 02:56 PM (f1Vqw)

=========

I wouldn't go that far. I would say that their conclusions were limited in scope without other determining factors.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 02:56 PM (q80AH)

99 62
A comment on the MassLive web site about the Springfield MGM casino that opened a year plus ago is sucking wind.



People just don't have the discretionary cash in the past 2 years to
gamble at a casino. stock market is at record highs, but does no good
for the wage earner, only the wealthy investor with money to spare.
Wages may be up a couple percent, but inflation, increased costs for
food and health care, and added costs for other consumer goods because
of tariffs have eroded the purchasing power of the weekly paycheck.

Posted by: Groundhog at January 17, 2020 02:52 PM (VYwSh)
But it is Springfield, MA. Not exactly a town I'd be drawn to if I wanted to go to a casino.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 17, 2020 02:56 PM (N39Ws)

100
I have little doubt that the mullahs would like to pull off a 9/11 scale attack on the US. But there are a couple of problems with this scenario (if you're a Dem).

1.) 9/11 took a long time to plan and execute. It's unlikely that their Iranian allies can hit us with something of that magnitude by the election.

2.) But, let's assume they DO have the wherewithal. While the Iranians certainly love them some hot Democrat action, they have to be deeply apprehensive about the GEOTUS response, here. This dude's not a Bush-style guy. Not a weak, vacillating, lukewarm limpdick. And he's unpredictable.

I would hope the more sober minds among them would be weighing, very seriously, the possible implications of a major attack on US soil. And then decline.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 17, 2020 02:56 PM (AzW6q)

101 Retarded Motorcycle Jumper on Fire Flying Over Buses Ace is truly the Best Ace.

Posted by: ... at January 17, 2020 02:56 PM (uEbPt)

102

Kurt is reading this thread as the tears roll down his gimp mask

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 17, 2020 02:57 PM (kw5n8)

103 Orange man bad to the bone

Posted by: steevy at January 17, 2020 02:40 PM (KNsKs)

Fixt

Posted by: George T at January 17, 2020 02:57 PM (/LQkF)

104 If Trump starts bringing troops home this summer from all the crazy stupid places we've sent them in the last decade, he'll win in a landslide.

--------------

This seems like a no-brainer of a politically smart move.

Perhaps he is timing it as his final big political act before the election.

Posted by: SH at January 17, 2020 02:57 PM (sX1BW)

105 Trump > Reagan.


And the gap is getting bigger every day.

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I'm not ready to go that far.

Let's just say both were the right man for the time.

Posted by: SH at January 17, 2020 02:52 PM (sX1BW)



With Bernie rising, it's time to bring back Reagan's Soviet jokes

So, here's to you, Bernie (the first one is my favorite, and could just as easily be applied to your doctor under Berniecare):
https://tinyurl.com/ueck6l7

video at link

legal insurrection

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 17, 2020 02:57 PM (vEIlU)

106 Recession! Recession! Recession!

Posted by: The MSM at January 17, 2020 02:57 PM (cg4r6)

107 97
Hey Barack, your economy didn't kill itself.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 17, 2020 02:56 PM (r+sAi)
Hey Barack, how do you like PDT's magic wand?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 17, 2020 02:57 PM (N39Ws)

108 The reception Trump got at the national championship game was really heartening.

Posted by: steevy at January 17, 2020 02:57 PM (KNsKs)

109 My retirement accounts are already up 1.07% ytd and it's the middle of January.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2020 02:57 PM (VnxtC)

110 Trump > Reagan.

******

I loved Reagan but I am inclined to agree. Reagan was of a time when Democrats voted unanimously to confirm Scalia for SCOTUS.


Posted by: Two Weeks From Everywhere at January 17, 2020 02:53 PM (+dsLj)


RR got rolled on amnesty. His intentions were good but in reality he got smoked on it. Still an outstanding President.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 17, 2020 02:57 PM (y7DUB)

111 Trump drinks their milkshakes.

There Will Be Dick Glitter.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at January 17, 2020 02:58 PM (WmJSv)

112 Casinos have become oversaturated PLUS the idiots at the State can't get their shit together to legalize sports betting.

Posted by: ... at January 17, 2020 02:58 PM (pLNY2)

113 Groundhog:
1) Food inflation for 2019 is 0.5% to 1.5% and for 2020 is 0.5% to 1.5% (both estimates from USDA). This is compared to the historical average of 2.0% over 20 years. So not out of control there, and below the income rise.

2) Fuel is way down, about 6% cheaper in 2019 per the St. Louis Fed (they provide monthly's and I can't be bothered to the average math so I am half-assing it, but it is negative in 2019) thanks to energy production. Fuel is actually consuming less money in nominal terms, and is not affecting the final disposable income post-raises except for positively.

3) Energy is about flat.

4) Housing is wildly variable depending on locale. In some areas, it is eating all of the increase and then some, in other places not so much.

So this assertion is just wrong. The data don't back it up.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 02:58 PM (I2dne)

114 You know, it's like everything these economic experts have been telling us over the last 30 - 40 years has been abject bullshit.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at January 17, 2020 02:56 PM (f1Vqw)

=========

I wouldn't go that far. I would say that their conclusions were limited in scope without other determining factors.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,

------------

I'm going with publius. They were Bull Shit. Not sure if they were abject Bull Shit?

Posted by: SH at January 17, 2020 02:58 PM (sX1BW)

115 We need to frame the entire impeachment as the dems willing to risk all of this great economic growth to salve their hurt feelings.

Posted by: iandeal at January 17, 2020 02:58 PM (vgGyZ)

116 >>Kurt Eichenwald 'said' he sold all his kids college fund stocks in 2016.


That's bullshit. I doubt that asshole would have paid the penalties for removing those funds from a dedicated education account.

Posted by: garrett at January 17, 2020 02:58 PM (XShdm)

117 This is just all part of the cover up.

Posted by: Jerry Nadler at January 17, 2020 02:59 PM (cg4r6)

118 Explosive diarrhea > Kurt

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 17, 2020 02:59 PM (YA914)

119 This may be a stupid question, but how come Miss Cleo didn't foresee her own death?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 17, 2020 02:59 PM (YslsA)

120 100


I have little doubt that the mullahs would like to pull off a 9/11
scale attack on the US. But there are a couple of problems with this
scenario (if you're a Dem).



1.) 9/11 took a long time to plan and execute. It's unlikely that
their Iranian allies can hit us with something of that magnitude by the
election.



2.) But, let's assume they DO have the wherewithal. While the
Iranians certainly love them some hot Democrat action, they have to be
deeply apprehensive about the GEOTUS response, here. This dude's not a
Bush-style guy. Not a weak, vacillating, lukewarm limpdick. And he's
unpredictable.



I would hope the more sober minds among them would be weighing, very
seriously, the possible implications of a major attack on US soil. And
then decline.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 17, 2020 02:56 PM (AzW6q)
Unless of course they want our help turning Tehran into a parking lot.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 17, 2020 02:59 PM (N39Ws)

121 But, I read over at Tepid Flatulence that 8 of 10 "African-Americans" consider Trump (and by extension, his supporters) RAYYYCISS!

Posted by: Jeff Epstein's Eyes at January 17, 2020 02:59 PM (OUkUA)

122 You know, it's like everything these economic experts have been telling us over the last 30 - 40 years has been abject bullshit.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at January 17, 2020 02:56 PM (f1Vqw)

They'll make up for it in volume.

Posted by: ... at January 17, 2020 02:59 PM (pLNY2)

123 35 You guys are going to tell me when to sell my stocks so I don't get burned, right?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 17, 2020 02:48 PM (xfb67)

Yes, you can absolutely depend on the Horde for prudent financial counsel. *



*Snerk. Snort. BWAHAHAHAHA.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at January 17, 2020 03:00 PM (RD7QR)

124 You know, it's like everything these economic experts have been telling us over the last 30 - 40 years has been abject bullshit.
Posted by: publius

--

If they were Keynsian, yes.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 17, 2020 03:00 PM (YslsA)

125 Recession! Recession! Recession!

Posted by: The MSM at January 17, 2020 02:57 PM (cg4r6)




Over the summer when the yield curve inverted for about 36 hours CNBC broke out a Doomsday clock for its Countdown to Recession. That went away fast but they are always running segments about the next market downturn being right around the corner

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 17, 2020 03:00 PM (kw5n8)

126 Nancy wasn't kidding.

Removing Trump from Office ASAP is absolutely a necessity.


...for the Democrats.

Posted by: garrett at January 17, 2020 03:00 PM (XShdm)

127 Off Bloody Sock.

Posted by: Joe Mama at January 17, 2020 03:00 PM (OUkUA)

128 119 This may be a stupid question, but how come Miss Cleo didn't foresee her own death?

_________________________

There's a psychic near work that says, "By Appointment Only". Shouldn't they already know I'm coming?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 17, 2020 03:00 PM (xfb67)

129 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 02:58 PM (I2dne)


There you go again, bringing facts into the argument.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 17, 2020 03:00 PM (KUaJL)

130 "And the sex. Mostly the sex."
-Sad soibois who can't get girls
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 02:53 PM


Good news, Comrade! The sex ration has been increased from 25 grams to 20!

Posted by: Incel Bureaucrat at January 17, 2020 03:00 PM (vk+y5)

131 Actually..... we found this one family whose income plummeted by a staggering 1.2% thanks to Trump's tax cuts. Up next, hear what these REAL Americans think of Trump.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 17, 2020 02:55 PM (dNzKv)
+++++++++++++++
My income was down about 1.5% last year. This year it will be down about 0.5% based on estimates. I am a higher earner, and that's consistent with other folks I talk to. I'm not hurting but I am, believe it or not, making no extra money in this good economy.

A whole lot of people who need the money more are, though, and that is a net benefit and, I might add, exactly what Democrats claim to want.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 03:00 PM (I2dne)

132 I would hope the more sober minds among them would be weighing, very seriously, the possible implications of a major attack on US soil. And then decline.

I heard a bit once a long time ago and I think it still applies, although I'm not sure there are any sober minds in Iranian government.

A young Arab is proposing wild, crazy, radical attacks because he argues that the president is weak and stupid and they can get away with it!

The old Arab notes that yes, that president is weak and stupid but he's only in power a short time and the next one may not be so they have to be cautious.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:00 PM (KZzsI)

133 This is the tale of Chief Shannon Kent, who was killed in Syria one year ago yesterday along with 3 other Americans:

https://tinyurl.com/RIP-Chief-Shannon-Kent

She was probably America's most accomplished female warrior. Complete Badass and a true Hero.

RIP

You will not be forgotten.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 17, 2020 03:01 PM (fp3O8)

134 123 35 You guys are going to tell me when to sell my stocks so I don't get burned, right?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 17, 2020 02:48 PM (xfb67)

Yes, you can absolutely depend on the Horde for prudent financial counsel. *



*Snerk. Snort. BWAHAHAHAHA.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at January 17, 2020 03:00 PM (RD7QR)

We have solutions for Everything. Renaissance Morons, we are!

Posted by: tubal at January 17, 2020 03:01 PM (qhmX5)

135 Pam Bondi made the cut?

"Your honor, permission to have counsel treat me as a hostile witness?"

Posted by: garrett at January 17, 2020 03:01 PM (XShdm)

136 All this working will end up with a higher death rate for the employed. It's all part of the Trump master plan to save Social Security.
We need common sense employment control!

Posted by: Bernie S. at January 17, 2020 03:01 PM (e1mEI)

137 Trump > Reagan.

Disagree. Not even close in my opinion.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 17, 2020 03:01 PM (qcIWB)

138 If Trump starts bringing troops home this summer from all the crazy stupid places we've sent them in the last decade, he'll win in a landslide.

--------------

This seems like a no-brainer of a politically smart move.

Perhaps he is timing it as his final big political act before the election.
Posted by: SH at January 17, 2020 02:57 PM (sX1BW)

I've heard rumors of him wanting to bring home the troops sometime before Election Day.

Posted by: Frozen Surfperch at January 17, 2020 03:01 PM (tVQUs)

139 Hey Barack, how do you like PDT's magic wand?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 17, 2020 02:57 PM (N39Ws)



Probably up his ass

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 17, 2020 03:01 PM (kw5n8)

140 they are always running segments about the next market downturn being right around the corner


At some point they will be right.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2020 03:01 PM (VnxtC)

141 I think we can see the limitations of media influence. Consumer confidence is high despite the lack of media coverage. These guys are not as powerful as they would have you believe.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for Your Souvenier Impeachment Gear! at January 17, 2020 03:01 PM (cT2Wi)

142 35 You guys are going to tell me when to sell my stocks so I don't get burned, right?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 17, 2020 02:48 PM (xfb67)

Resident stock/nose picker MUMR is your best bet. According to him.

Posted by: Joe Mama at January 17, 2020 03:01 PM (OUkUA)

143 For sure, the economy is wind in Trump's sails. I just can't see that changing in less than a year. I'm no Krugman but I feel confident in my estimations.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at January 17, 2020 03:01 PM (0OmEj)

144 @124

Next thing you'll tell me is the economy isn't guided by the Animal Spirits.

Posted by: Mr. Wiffle Snuff at January 17, 2020 03:02 PM (keZH+)

145 143 For sure, the economy is wind in Trump's sails. I just can't see that changing in less than a year. I'm no Krugman but I feel confident in my estimations.
Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at January 17, 2020 03:01 PM (0OmEj)

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It's pretty well established that people's opinions of the economy really begin to firm up about a year out from a presidential election.

Assuming no black swan events, Trump can rest easy about Democrats ever seriously mentioning the economy ever.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:02 PM (q80AH)

146 My income was down about 1.5% last year. This year it will be down about 0.5% based on estimates. I am a higher earner, and that's consistent with other folks I talk to.

I don't know what its like for the very, very wealthy, but there is a range of wealthy that got hit in the tax cuts, as was intended. The housing changes for example burned those just over middle class. But I mean, they can absorb it.

Its like how Bill Gates can lose half of his money and still be a billionaire; he has a huge cushion that protects him from hardship. But someone earning 75k a year losing half their money is a huge disaster.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:02 PM (KZzsI)

147 Consumer confidence? I really wanted to buy the Apple Galaxy Note S15 2TB model with the roll up screen and built in HD 400 inch projector, but trump's tax cuts did nothing to boost the minimum wage at Taco Bell where I am head meat grinder. He totally neglects the needs of the bottom 90%. And the crap he is pulling with Huawei means my next phone will be relegated to a measly 4G. So what if the chinese can spy on all of our communications, I want lag free fortnite!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 17, 2020 03:03 PM (dNzKv)

148 >Kurt Eichenwald 'said' he sold all his kids college fund stocks in 2016.


That's bullshit. I doubt that asshole would have paid the penalties for removing those funds from a dedicated education account.
Posted by: garrett at January 17, 2020 02:58 PM (XShdm)


Assuming that lying pervert ever tells the truth, he could've converted them to money market funds.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 17, 2020 03:03 PM (y7DUB)

149 I knew Krugman and you're no Krugman!

Posted by: Zombie Epstein at January 17, 2020 03:03 PM (vtcmf)

150 That's bullshit. I doubt that asshole would have paid the penalties for removing those funds from a dedicated education account.
______________

Eh, he may have been in one of those state-sponsored education savings plans (like Virginia's VEST) and just switched the funds to a more conservative plan or something. I've done that during unstable times (like the Obama Reign of Error), and then later switched back.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at January 17, 2020 03:03 PM (k4dH2)

151 Nothing comes between me and my Osh Kosh b'Gosh!

Posted by: Paul Krugman at January 17, 2020 03:03 PM (XShdm)

152 We need to get rid of this motherfucker. He's interfering with our plans.

Posted by: Rashida Tlaib at January 17, 2020 03:03 PM (cg4r6)

153 removing Trump would be the biggest personnel fuckup since Jerry Jones fired Jimmy Johnson for winning back to back Super Bowls and giving his ego a sadz.

Posted by: x at January 17, 2020 03:04 PM (nFwvY)

154 I'm confident. But I don't want to buy a house or condo here, as I don't plan to live here more than 2-3 years before retirement. The rule of thumb, I've read, is "If you're going to be in the property

Not to mention every property I think I can afford is a dump, is in a dump of an area, or both.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 17, 2020 03:04 PM (Ejm1K)

155 All this full employment is terrible for people's health. Funemployment is really much better for you.

Posted by: CBS News at January 17, 2020 03:04 PM (5KWnQ)

156 Yes, you can absolutely depend on the Horde for prudent financial counsel.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at January 17, 2020 03:00 PM


What are we, chopped liver?

Posted by: First Aid, Relationship, & Crossbow selection counseling at January 17, 2020 03:04 PM (vk+y5)

157 146 I don't know what its like for the very, very wealthy, but there is a range of wealthy that got hit in the tax cuts, as was intended. The housing changes for example burned those just over middle class. But I mean, they can absorb it.

Its like how Bill Gates can lose half of his money and still be a billionaire; he has a huge cushion that protects him from hardship. But someone earning 75k a year losing half their money is a huge disaster.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:02 PM (KZzsI)

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My cousin (who's married to a Democratic mayor in Georgia) was complaining that the tax cut didn't affect professionals like lawyers. She's nominally a Republican, but very Never Trump.

That carve out that didn't favor her really rubbed her wrong.

Her dad, my uncle, pretty much told her that lawyers deserved it. They do love each other, by the way.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:04 PM (q80AH)

158 I don't know what its like for the very, very wealthy, but there is a range of wealthy that got hit in the tax cuts, as was intended. The housing changes for example burned those just over middle class. But I mean, they can absorb it.

Its like how Bill Gates can lose half of his money and still be a billionaire; he has a huge cushion that protects him from hardship. But someone earning 75k a year losing half their money is a huge disaster.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:02 PM (KZzsI)
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I don't hit SALT limitations because I am not in a high-tax state or locale (yet - once Left eviscerates TABOR in the next 2-4 years, that will change) and I'm not *that* affluent. My income just isn't going up. The company is making other choices around more people.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 03:04 PM (I2dne)

159 For sure, the economy is wind in Trump's sails. I just can't see that changing in less than a year. I'm no Krugman but I feel confident in my estimations.


September surprise.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 17, 2020 03:04 PM (dNzKv)

160 My biggest individual stock in my portfolio is the only reason the Dow is not 10% higher than it is now.

That's what you call Schleprock luck.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 17, 2020 03:04 PM (qcIWB)

161 I think we can see the limitations of media influence. Consumer confidence is high despite the lack of media coverage.

They tried it in the Reagan years, with spectacular failure. I remember what it was like then. It went from literally walking miles down roads trying EVERY SINGLE BUSINESS and almost none of them even giving out applications, to more jobs than you could pick from one year. It was like a magic wand had been waved, or something.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:04 PM (KZzsI)

162 I am confident I am going to consume this BBQ chicken sandwich I brought back to the office. Then some donettes for dessert.

Posted by: wth at January 17, 2020 03:05 PM (v0R5T)

163 To win the election, the Democrats need something to throw the Golden Juggernaut of an economy God-King Trump has built for us.

Here in Pennsylvania, we have the new law that allows early voting, which is the basis for ballot harvesting. And this could not have been done without the GOP legislature's blessing.

Posted by: kallisto at January 17, 2020 03:05 PM (DJFLF)

164 Reagan defeated the existential threat of the Soviet Union. That was his main goal and mine. Young people can't appreciate what is was like growing up in the Cold War.

Trump may well defeat Iran and bring a measure of peace to a really bad neighborhood. He's also done more for me personally than any Republican since Reagan.

I say there is room on Rushmore for both of them.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2020 03:05 PM (VnxtC)

165 How many people have succumbed so far to the countless plagues unleashed by full employment?

Posted by: Frozen Surfperch at January 17, 2020 03:05 PM (tVQUs)

166 The left has been warning about the dangers of a trade war with China since Trump entered the Republican primary in 2015

Damn straight. The Us economy is booming and the Chinese economy is growing at its lowest reported rate in almost two decades. So the trade war didn't kill us.

Tariffs, a tax on consumption, didn't kill us either. Instead those tariffs forced China to the negotiating table when there is no way on earth they would otherwise have condescended to even talk. Consumer goods may rise in cost, but for the first time in a long damn time, manufacturing workers and farmers are seeing meaningful increases in their incomes.


OrangeManAmazing.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 17, 2020 03:05 PM (NVYyb)

167 And housing starts through the roof.

A good time to be a first term president.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at January 17, 2020 03:06 PM (+fPHo)

168 Soaring Consumer Confidence will make you sick!

Posted by: CBS News at January 17, 2020 03:06 PM (JoUsr)

169 Well, the Trump "trade war" with China did directly impact me. A Chinese investment company was going to buy the start-up I work for. Eighteen months down the road on all the dance steps of acquisition and the Dept. of Commerce shut the whole deal down. No explanation. We deal in technology, but very little is proprietary. I think the fact that there was a technology angle was enough to give it the kibosh.

Despite management cursing Trump every step of the cancellation, I'm fine with it. Yeah, it would have been a nice bonus/buyout payment. But I understand what the game was and I'm OK with it.

Not trying to sell a sob story. Just a note on some impact that hasn't really been reported. (That is, what has really happened versus what the press wants to report.) Hopefully it will still turn out OK for the company, and therefore me. We'll see how it goes.

Posted by: DGinID at January 17, 2020 03:07 PM (U5BBk)

170 Oh, nice. My 401k is up 2.7% since January 1.

These good times will never cease!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:07 PM (q80AH)

171 Reagan defeated the existential threat of the Soviet Union. That was his main goal and mine. Young people can't appreciate what is was like growing up in the Cold War.

I bawled like a child when the Berlin Wall came down. It was the single most significant epoch in recent history. Nobody born after 1985 can really comprehend how significant that event that was.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:07 PM (KZzsI)

172
This may be a stupid question, but how come Miss Cleo didn't foresee her own death?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 17, 2020 02:59 PM (YslsA)

Regardless of Miss Cleo, it is standard lore that Psychics get cloudy when it comes to personal matters and those close to them. Convenient, yes. But I don't totally disregard the existence of things just because there isn't scientific proof or because some charlatan somewhere claimed its mantle. If I did, I wouldn't believe in God.

There's plenty we don't understand about the world. Quantum physics seems to indicate at least a subset of things that only appear to exist once observed.

If observation can have that kind of influence on a thing's existence, why can't observation and measurement have the opposite affect on something like psychic powers?

Posted by: ... at January 17, 2020 03:07 PM (pLNY2)

173 Tariffs, a tax on consumption, didn't kill us either. Instead those tariffs forced China to the negotiating table when there is no way on earth they would otherwise have condescended to even talk. Consumer goods may rise in cost, but for the first time in a long damn time, manufacturing workers and farmers are seeing meaningful increases in their incomes.

OrangeManAmazing.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 17, 2020 03:05 PM (NVYyb)
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To some degree, we got lucky on China tariffs so far. It won't hold up forever. Tariffs are a tax on trade but it hasn't cascaded and caused inflation or consumption shifts, in part for two reasons. One is that the tariffs aren't that extreme, and the other is that we're be subsidized.

The Chinese government is paying most of them on behalf of their manufacturers. We're be insulated in part because the Chinese government is taking it in the shorts to avoid disruption.

Even if we were bearing it directly, it wouldn't be a catastrophe but the Chinese position makes it a lot more sustainable because they fear disruption at home more than inflation in the US.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 03:08 PM (I2dne)

174 You know who we all have to thank for this?

Mitt Romney.

Posted by: SH at January 17, 2020 03:08 PM (sX1BW)

175 99 62
A comment on the MassLive web site about the Springfield MGM casino that opened a year plus ago is sucking wind.



People just don't have the discretionary cash in the past 2 years to
gamble at a casino. stock market is at record highs, but does no good
for the wage earner, only the wealthy investor with money to spare.
Wages may be up a couple percent, but inflation, increased costs for
food and health care, and added costs for other consumer goods because
of tariffs have eroded the purchasing power of the weekly paycheck.

Posted by: Groundhog at January 17, 2020 02:52 PM (VYwSh)
But it is Springfield, MA. Not exactly a town I'd be drawn to if I wanted to go to a casino.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 17, 2020 02:56 PM (N39Ws)
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Which is what everyone with a half a brain said. I always thought Lee
would have been a good place. Dead in the winter, but you get the New York Tanglewood crowd in the summer and fall foliage people in the fall.

I live 10 miles from MGM and have no desire to go into Springfield. I only do when I have no choice. The closest I get is the Harbor Freight in West Springfield. I find it amusing that MGMs problems are po' pepo don't have enough money to piss away.

Posted by: Groundhog at January 17, 2020 03:08 PM (VYwSh)

176 Message to Krugman: first pass, neener neener.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 17, 2020 03:08 PM (r+sAi)

177 I say there is room on Rushmore for both of them.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2020 03:05 PM (VnxtC)

Replace TR with Trump. Then we only have to make room for one. TR is out of place anyway. He's only up there for starting the NPS.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 17, 2020 03:08 PM (AzW6q)

178 People wonder why the Dems are so laser-focused on impeachment despite the drain it has on their polling. It's stuff like this - they have literally nothing else to complain about.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 17, 2020 03:08 PM (HmZuC)

179 trying EVERY SINGLE BUSINESS and almost none of them even giving out applications, to more jobs than you could pick from one year. It was like a magic wand had been waved, or something.

--

Have a look at Singapore. They were a former colony with virtually no natural resources, not even drinking water, which has to be imported. Economic freedom took them from GDP per person at half of European average to twice European average in a couple of decades. Economies can grow like kudzu once the government stops trying to kill them.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 17, 2020 03:08 PM (YslsA)

180 178 People wonder why the Dems are so laser-focused on impeachment despite the drain it has on their polling. It's stuff like this - they have literally nothing else to complain about.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 17, 2020 03:08 PM (HmZuC)

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They would have happily taken a war with Iran that killed tens of thousands of Americans from red states.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:09 PM (q80AH)

181 Can I have 2 livers?

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at January 17, 2020 03:09 PM (WmJSv)

182 Even I'll admit

I've been eating more cocks

Posted by: Petey Buttplug at January 17, 2020 03:09 PM (rpxSz)

183 As bad as the Dem/MSM insanity, hate, smears, lies the past three years have been, I'm expecting them to outdo themselves on this impeachment BS by an order of magnitude. This is their last best chance to hurt Trump and are going to go all-in as never before. We may finally see Peak Stupid, or at least approach it like an asymptote.

Posted by: Ripley at January 17, 2020 03:09 PM (MxEKc)

184 TR is out of place anyway. He's only up there for starting the NPS.

--

Well, that and the Panama Canal. But some idiot gave that away.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 17, 2020 03:09 PM (YslsA)

185 If the question is when will the economy recover, a first pass answer is ORANGEMANBAD!

Posted by: Paul Kruggerands at January 17, 2020 03:09 PM (ppBhU)

186 >> Damn straight. The Us economy is booming and the Chinese economy is growing at its lowest reported rate in almost two decades. So the trade war didn't kill us.

Tariffs, a tax on consumption, didn't kill us either. Instead those tariffs forced China to the negotiating table when there is no way on earth they would otherwise have condescended to even talk.

------------------------------

This is a big part of what I was talking about. Tariffs were supposed to be absolute poison that would kill us and throw us into a Depression.

That was the gospel on both sides for years.

I'm feeling like I've been had by these experts.... Like they were just serving the interests of a few globalist elite types and not American interests.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at January 17, 2020 03:09 PM (f1Vqw)

187 165 How many people have succumbed so far to the countless plagues unleashed by full employment?
Posted by: Frozen Surfperch at January 17, 2020 03:05 PM

Well, my hours suck.

Posted by: Aetius451AD personal phone at January 17, 2020 03:09 PM (oXJmp)

188 Soros better have a big contrived collapse lined up or Trump is gonna win with 65% of the vote.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 17, 2020 03:10 PM (oVJmc)

189 186 This is a big part of what I was talking about. Tariffs were supposed to be absolute poison that would kill us and throw us into a Depression.

That was the gospel on both sides for years.

I'm feeling like I've been had by these experts.... Like they were just serving the interests of a few globalist elite types and not American interests.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at January 17, 2020 03:09 PM (f1Vqw)

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Well, except for all those tariffs that already existed between the US and other trading partners.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:10 PM (q80AH)

190 >>And housing starts through the roof.


If your daog takes a shit in your yard out here, there will be a new home started on it before you get a chance to get your shovel.

Posted by: garrett at January 17, 2020 03:10 PM (XShdm)

191 That was the gospel on both sides for years.

I'm feeling like I've been had by these experts.... Like they were just serving the interests of a few globalist elite types and not American interests.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at January 17, 2020 03:09 PM (f1Vqw)
++++++++++++
When the Dems and Repubs agree on something, watch out - you're gonna get it hard without lube.

See also: unchecked immigration.

Tariffs can be stupid. Tariffs can be helpful. They are a blunt instrument. How they're used matters a lot.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 03:10 PM (I2dne)

192 Say -- anyone seen Kurt?


Yep CBD had a great picture of him this morning.

Posted by: Sock Monkey..Ellie Mae has Ginger and Maryann beat hands down at January 17, 2020 03:10 PM (p7nIS)

193 171 Reagan defeated the existential threat of the Soviet Union. That was his main goal and mine. Young people can't appreciate what is was like growing up in the Cold War.

I bawled like a child when the Berlin Wall came down. It was the single most significant epoch in recent history. Nobody born after 1985 can really comprehend how significant that event that was.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:07 PM (KZzsI)


On reflection, I won't compare Reagan to Trump. Vastly different situations, and palettes to work with. Plus, Reagan's body of work covered eight years, Trump's, three.

Posted by: tubal at January 17, 2020 03:10 PM (qhmX5)

194 Economies can grow like kudzu once the government stops trying to kill them.

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I'm starting to see the US under Trump like the US in the 50's. Except it isn't a war that did all these other formerly producing countries in. It is their own communism.

Posted by: SH at January 17, 2020 03:10 PM (sX1BW)

195 OT

'The perfect self-own': Extinction Rebellion protesters buried their heads in the sand to protest climate change
https://tinyurl.com/wowv65c

there are pictures!

a couple of twitter responses

Nick Searcy, REVERED LEADER & FILM & TV STAR
@yesnicksearcy

The perfect self-own by the Australian version of American Democrats.


and

Jasøn @cyrjax

The levels of irony in this was once thought unachievable...

It really boggles ones mind#ExtinctionRebellion

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 17, 2020 03:11 PM (vEIlU)

196 I bawled like a child when the Berlin Wall came down. It was the single most significant epoch in recent history. Nobody born after 1985 can really comprehend how significant that event that was.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:07 PM (KZzsI)


Completely surprised our Intel and State Top Men.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 17, 2020 03:11 PM (y7DUB)

197 Can I have 2 livers?

Out of the question.

Posted by: David Crosby and Zombie Papa John Phillips at January 17, 2020 03:11 PM (vtcmf)

198 This is the podcast of Rich Zeoli's interview of Peter Navarro, Director of Trade and Manufacturing Policy. He discusses Phase I of the China deal. Skip the first 30 seconds, it's an ad.
(11 minutes long)


https://tinyurl.com/s6bszsn

Posted by: kallisto at January 17, 2020 03:11 PM (DJFLF)

199 Trump > Reagan


Yep. Which solidifies my theory that "actual business people are better politicians than people who run for office for a living."



Posted by: shibumi, living in Atlas Shrugged at January 17, 2020 03:11 PM (gauLa)

200 People just don't have the discretionary cash in the past 2 years to

gamble at a casino
the absurdity of this diatribe burns. But start with the first sentence. Are we supposed to feel bad for the casino or the people who don't have the money to lose at the casino? And inflation, what inflation? And healthcare, what could have caused that to increase?

Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 03:11 PM (n13/j)

201 TR is out of place anyway. He's only up there for starting the NPS.

Yeah, it was a timing thing, he rode a crest of popularity to the mountain. I like Teddy, he did some great stuff, but he wasn't monument-worthy. Chiseling him off and replacing him with Reagan would be a proper value move, but ghastly in terms of art and history.

Mt Rushmore is way smaller than you think, by the way. Its kind of disappointing when you see it, like the stonehenge that Spinal Tap got.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:11 PM (KZzsI)

202 wouldn't dip my dick in glitter just yet, morons.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at January 17, 2020 03:11 PM (KP5rU)

203 Paul Krugman's so distraught that he's retiring from making economic
prognostications and returning to his first passion-- downloading
terabytes of child pornography.

_________


More Paul Krugman: "The only thing that can save the economy now is a joint Chinese/North Korean nuclear assault. Can John Kerry get me and James Taylor some concert gigs over there?"

Posted by: ShainS, Club Gulag > Club Gitmo at January 17, 2020 03:11 PM (7PV5I)

204 168 Soaring Consumer Confidence will make you sick!
Posted by: CBS News at January 17, 2020 03:06 PM (JoUsr)


I can't stop laughing.

Increases in trades of stocks and bonds will jeopardize the health exchange workers, because more computer keys are being touched.

Posted by: Ladyl at January 17, 2020 03:12 PM (TdMsT)

205 The best part of this story is that it doesn't matter whether or not the MSM talk about it. If they do talk about it, it doesn't matter what they say.

Consumer Confidence is about how most people *Feel* about the economy - are they confident or worried? In spite of every effort by the MSM, they are feeling more confident than they have for years. The MSM can report that, or they can refuse to report that, but it doesn't matter. The feeling is there already, and nothing they say or don't say can change it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 17, 2020 03:12 PM (trdmm)

206 Actively rooting against the interests of Americans in order to gain political power.

*spit*

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at January 17, 2020 03:12 PM (WEBkv)

207
Rising inequality isn't about who has the knowledge, it's about who has Peruvian Kiddie Porn.

Posted by: Paul Krugmann at January 17, 2020 03:12 PM (9X624)

208 I bawled like a child when the Berlin Wall came down.


It really did feel like the End of History.

Oh well, I grew up expecting to die killing communists so everything old is new again.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2020 03:12 PM (VnxtC)

209 205 The best part of this story is that it doesn't matter whether or not the MSM talk about it. If they do talk about it, it doesn't matter what they say.

Consumer Confidence is about how most people *Feel* about the economy - are they confident or worried? In spite of every effort by the MSM, they are feeling more confident than they have for years. The MSM can report that, or they can refuse to report that, but it doesn't matter. The feeling is there already, and nothing they say or don't say can change it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 17, 2020 03:12 PM (trdmm)

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Imagine an America where the national press wasn't so one sided...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:13 PM (q80AH)

210 202 wouldn't dip my dick in glitter just yet, morons.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at January 17, 2020 03:11 PM (KP5rU


Oh Chavez.

Please do.

Posted by: Ladyl at January 17, 2020 03:13 PM (TdMsT)

211 Mt Rushmore is way smaller than you think, by the way. Its kind of disappointing when you see it, like the stonehenge that Spinal Tap got.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:11 PM (KZzsI)
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It's big enough and makes for a really nice park. I was there and a Japanese family asked me to take their picture. Their camera did face-identification for focusing (back when that was hot shit - I had never seen it before). I had to try to communicate with them (their English was weak) that we had to turn it off - the camera kept focusing on the giant monument heads instead of the normal-sized family heads.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 03:13 PM (I2dne)

212 "Paul Krugman's so distraught that he's retiring from making economic prognostications and returning to his first passion-- downloading terabytes of child pornography.

He says he doesn't want to come to the end of his life and wonder, "What if...?" "

Bw ha ha

#TrueFacts

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at January 17, 2020 03:13 PM (l4C/z)

213 Navarro talked about the scans Border Patrol is doing of goods coming in from China, finding "ungodly" numbers of contraband and counterfeits. One element of Phase I deal is to crack down on counterfeit trafficking.

Posted by: kallisto at January 17, 2020 03:13 PM (DJFLF)

214 >>>They would have happily taken a war with Iran that killed tens of thousands of Americans from red states.

True, but as usual, their dearest wish gets yanked away as the last minute. Just like Mueller, Stormy, war, terrorism, recession and hurricanes. Even Tantalus can't believe how fruitless their efforts have been.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 17, 2020 03:13 PM (HmZuC)

215 "Tariffs, a tax on consumption, didn't kill us either. Instead those tariffs forced China to the negotiating table" Huck

nope, it is a "tax" on foreigners, especially on commie cheaters, that pollute and use slaves.


That tax may or may not be passed on to consumers, and in China's case I think they chose to accept reduced profit margins rather than raise prices and lose market share.


Even if they did raise prices, consumers then have alternative producers that become more competitive, either US or allies that won't cost us in the end (war, espionage, pollution, lead filled products, etc.)

Posted by: illiniwek at January 17, 2020 03:13 PM (Cus5s)

216 208 I bawled like a child when the Berlin Wall came down.


It really did feel like the End of History.

Oh well, I grew up expecting to die killing communists so everything old is new again.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2020 03:12 PM (VnxtC)

==========

Greed will never go away. Neither will people who want to use the force of government to do the selfless thing and destroy all of society to make themselves feel better.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:13 PM (q80AH)

217 210: Ha! not touching that one.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at January 17, 2020 03:13 PM (KP5rU)

218 If your droog takes a shit in your yard

FIFY.

Posted by: OrangeClockwork Bad! at January 17, 2020 03:14 PM (vk+y5)

219 Definitely need to remove this incompetent lunatic right away.

Posted by: DocJ at January 17, 2020 03:14 PM (77WPm)

220 Most people vote according to how they feel about a candidate. For good or ill. They are not Horde Solons, like us.

Posted by: tubal at January 17, 2020 03:14 PM (qhmX5)

221 Trump vs Reagan mine as well be Eisenhower vs Lincoln. Two different worlds and never the twain shall meet. Reagan was better because the USA was better. I would like to see how Reagan would have governed and acted in this absurd age. But that is not going to happen. If this is a real debate, we are in good times. I just want Trump to get a second term like Reagan did and then we can discuss it.

Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 03:14 PM (n13/j)

222 The Trump economy is as good as my next favorite Republican President, Calvin Coolidge.

Posted by: MAGA at January 17, 2020 03:14 PM (bloh/)

223 Explains why Tom Steyer has changed his ads from the one that claims Trump is going to bankrupt the US just like he did with his own fortune to. . . he's a racist, liar, impeached for crimes."

He's barely started, and that's already his Second big redo of his campaign. He started off with Greta Thunberg style Death of The Earth! type climate scaremongering, but quickly found out that nobody wants to hear that shit.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 17, 2020 03:14 PM (trdmm)

224 Oh and on the subject of bubbles: bubbles burst. We are on an upswing cycle. Eventually, it will swing back in a readjustment.

It won't be the end of the world. Despite what the Democrats will say (assuming it happens under the Trump presidency).

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at January 17, 2020 03:14 PM (l4C/z)

225 On reflection, I won't compare Reagan to Trump. Vastly different situations, and palettes to work with. Plus, Reagan's body of work covered eight years, Trump's, three.

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Only time will allow us to make a full comparison.

But like Churchill - the old adage A Man Meeting the Moment.

But I'm with Chris Taylor - the fall of the Berlin Wall was amazing. And that was all Reagan.

Posted by: SH at January 17, 2020 03:15 PM (sX1BW)

226 220 Most people vote according to how they feel about a candidate. For good or ill. They are not Horde Solons, like us.
Posted by: tubal at January 17, 2020 03:14 PM (qhmX5)

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There are partisans, and then there are those who vote because of the wishy washy things like issues.

Presidential elections, though, largely turn on two macro factors: the economy and war.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:15 PM (q80AH)

227 Young people can't appreciate what is was like growing up in the Cold War.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:07 PM (KZzsI)

Yeah, you're right. Young people can't understand what it's like living in the shadow of an existential threat who hates everything you do and wants your way of life completely eradicated and stricken from the history books.

Only half /s

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 17, 2020 03:15 PM (KUaJL)

228 It's big enough and makes for a really nice park.

Oh, its cool you just expect those heads to be gigantic because its on the side of a MOUNTAIN and compared to the mountain they seem like they'll be like 60 feet tall. But they have presented it well.

By the way some environmentalist group complained that the fireworks at the site are contaminating the local river and Trump is a Bad Orange Man because he resumed their use.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:15 PM (KZzsI)

229 222 The Trump economy is as good as my next favorite Republican President, Calvin Coolidge.
Posted by: MAGA at January 17, 2020 03:14 PM (bloh/)

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If only little John hadn't died...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:15 PM (q80AH)

230
Over the summer when the yield curve inverted for about 36 hours CNBC broke out a Doomsday clock for its Countdown to Recession. That went away fast but they are always running segments about the next market downturn being right around the corner
Posted by: TheQuietMan
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Just looked at a supercut of 'Recession' reports. Pretty amusing. How these people retain any public presence is beyond me. I suppose P.T. Barnum was right.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2020 03:15 PM (cg4r6)

231 That late 90s tech bubble was weird.

Visit us at myGatorade.com!

Why?

Because! It's the information superhighway! The World Wide Web! Surfing the Web is radical! The Internet is cool and new and funzies!

*crash*

Posted by: Chris W at January 17, 2020 03:15 PM (Y9uNK)

232 Avalanche at Squaw Valley


or

blow party btwn Liz's thighs

Posted by: Petey Buttplug at January 17, 2020 03:15 PM (rpxSz)

233 Trump = Reagan FOR THEIR TIME

There will always be arguments about who was better. Thank God. They were each way better than the other at certain things. They both stood firm for their voters and their country. Trump has taken more slings and arrows. Reagan was a Top 5 All Time Statesman and was able to persuade an entire country to his way.

But if Trump brings Iran and China to heel, and makes the Left and press into a laughing stock, or worse for all of them, it will be more fuel for Camp Trump. Obviously time has to pass to see this discussion clearly.




Posted by: ... at January 17, 2020 03:15 PM (pLNY2)

234 Reagan was the greatest because he was the greatest of my youth? He has a special place. He was the kindly man on tv that spoke so eloquently and could make the world bright with a wave of his hand and banish evil with a laughing quip. There is power in that that cannot be replicated just because I am different now.

Trump feels different and gets a different type of respect because we feel more like contemporaries, if that makes sense.

Posted by: Aetius451AD personal phone at January 17, 2020 03:16 PM (oXJmp)

235 By the way some environmentalist group complained that the fireworks at the site are contaminating the local river and Trump is a Bad Orange Man because he resumed their use.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:15 PM (KZzsI)
+++++++++++
:: makes wanking motion ::

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 03:16 PM (I2dne)

236 I bawled like a child when the Berlin Wall came down.


It really did feel like the End of History.

Oh well, I grew up expecting to die killing communists so everything old is new again.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2020 03:12 PM (VnxtC)


I saw the decade end. It seemed the world could change in the blink of an eye.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at January 17, 2020 03:16 PM (l4C/z)

237 >>That late 90s tech bubble was weird.


The Internet is a Series of Tubes!

...and they are all filled with monies!!!

Posted by: garrett at January 17, 2020 03:16 PM (XShdm)

238
It really did feel like the End of History.

Oh well, I grew up expecting to die killing communists so everything old is new again.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2020 03:12 PM (VnxtC)

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It's funny... Fukuyama's thesis turned out to be dead wrong, which should have been obvious from the starting gate, but whatever. Huntington's Clash of Civilizations thesis* proved far more accurate, at least in the short term.

But neither predicted that the defining struggle of our time would be a rematch between the forces of freedom and communism, but this time, on our own soil.

*My old man has the copy of Foreign Affairs where Fukuyama and Huntington laid out their opposing theses for the first time, before either of their books came out. Cool relic.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 17, 2020 03:16 PM (AzW6q)

239 I don't hit SALT limitations because I am not in a high-tax state or locale (yet - once Left eviscerates TABOR in the next 2-4 years, that will change) and I'm not *that* affluent. My income just isn't going up. The company is making other choices around more people.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

Yea, our taxes went up because of the SALT limitations, but our local city is run by Democrat tax gobbling hogs. I actually agree with the policy: why should the federal government more or less subsidize leftist state and local tax pigs?

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at January 17, 2020 03:16 PM (5KWnQ)

240 237 >>That late 90s tech bubble was weird.


The Internet is a Series of Tubes!

...and they are all filled with monies!!!
Posted by: garrett at January 17, 2020 03:16 PM (XShdm)

=========

"Yes, yes they are."
-Jeff Bezos

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:16 PM (q80AH)

241 Oh well, I grew up expecting to die killing communists so everything old is new again.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2020 03:12 PM (VnxtC)

As Willie S. said, 'tis a consummation devoutly to be wished.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 17, 2020 03:16 PM (trdmm)

242 The economy is going stronger than Gaylord's prod at a bath house all nighter!

Posted by: MaDuece at January 17, 2020 03:17 PM (0dmP2)

243 Brothers kid is deciding on which of five job offers to take from his five applications.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at January 17, 2020 03:17 PM (e1mEI)

244 Coming soon: The conservative case against prosperity.

Posted by: Ripley at January 17, 2020 03:17 PM (MxEKc)

245 Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 17, 2020 03:10 PM (oVJmc)

I'm sure Soros is working on a plan for that even now. The real life version of a Bond villain needs to be extradited to Hungary. Everyday I pray for that man's conversion, that he be held accountable and that 'this thorn be removed from our side."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 17, 2020 03:17 PM (WI7YS)

246 I bawled like a child when the Berlin Wall came down.


It really did feel like the End of History.

Oh well, I grew up expecting to die killing communists so everything old is new again.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2020 03:12 PM (VnxtC)
+++++++++++++
I was a kid. I remember my dad watching it happen live on TV. He called the family in and was ranting about how wonderful and important it was. I didn't understand it at the time. I sure understand it now.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 03:17 PM (I2dne)

247 The Chinese government is paying most of them on behalf of their manufacturers. We're be insulated in part because the Chinese government is taking it in the shorts to avoid disruption.

Even if we were bearing it directly, it wouldn't be a catastrophe but the Chinese position makes it a lot more sustainable because they fear disruption at home more than inflation in the US.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 03:08 PM (I2dne)


Which was always the point. The argument from the free trade uber alles folks was that the cost of tariffs would be passed onto us, but that ignores that the Chinese can't afford to do so without losing business. And the more the Chinese government eats those costs, the harder it is to pay for the mischief that they want to cause elsewhere.

Eventually they're going to run out of money, and when they do they'll have to let their currency and prices move to a natural level rather than the artificial levels that they've been kept at.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at January 17, 2020 03:17 PM (wCmLp)

248 CBS News alternate headline: Higher incomes lead to more stress and death.

Posted by: ShainS, Club Gulag > Club Gitmo at January 17, 2020 03:18 PM (7PV5I)

249 Most people vote according to how they feel about a candidate. For good or ill. They are not Horde Solons, like us.
Posted by: tubal
--------

"Mayor Pete seems to be such a nice young man, and I like what he says. I hear he's really,really smart."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2020 03:18 PM (cg4r6)

250 ot2

Mollie @MZHemingway
If you realize media/Democrats' impeachment campaign is just like their Kavanaugh smear campaign, you see (delayed) deployment of Lev Parnas is like deployment of Chrissy Blasey Ford ... except that in using Parnas, they went straight to the Julie Swetnick phase of the operation.


twitchy goes on to say

This is especially snarky from Mollie Hemingway because she's basically saying Parnas isn't even as 'good' as Blasey-Ford and compared him to Avenatti's client, Julie Swetnick. You know, the one who didn't even really make it out of the gate?

Perfect.


this is why Goldberg and Hayes break out in a sweat when they see Mollie coming

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 17, 2020 03:18 PM (vEIlU)

251 211
Mt Rushmore is way smaller than you think, by the way. Its kind of
disappointing when you see it, like the stonehenge that Spinal Tap got.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:11 PM (KZzsI)

Yeah, apparently you only need a large board and a few stormtrooper guards with their arrogant little chins in the air to block citizens from seeing it during a government shutdown.

Posted by: ... at January 17, 2020 03:18 PM (pLNY2)

252 Trump knew what apparently too many economists and pundits did not (but was obvious long ago): China's economy is a house of cards and they need us much, much more than we need them. We had the strong position and he used it. How well he used it and what this will end up like in the future time will tell. If he loses this year the next president could (and most likely would) destroy all of what he's accomplished in a matter of months.

But already multiple businesses have come back to the US to set up shop.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:18 PM (KZzsI)

253 As Willie S. said, 'tis a consummation devoutly to be wished.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 17, 2020 03:16 PM


BTDT, Kamala-wise.

Posted by: Willie B. at January 17, 2020 03:18 PM (vk+y5)

254
I think Trump's long-term goal is economic disengagement between the economies of China and the US. This "trade agreement" is a pause on the road to that objective. Economic distress for China in the short run -- money is getting tight for them. I expect disengagement to resume next year.

Trade with China benefits the Chinese, and also provides them with more cash for buying governments around the world, including ours. It only benefits a subset of Americans who import cheap crap, e.g. Justin Amash and family. It also lowers prices here, which is convenient because the jobs that would have paid for better quality domestic goods were outsourced to China.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at January 17, 2020 03:18 PM (NZkXc)

255 Being wrong time and time again doesn't stop the climate change fanatics either.

Posted by: steevy at January 17, 2020 03:19 PM (KNsKs)

256 252 Trump knew what apparently too many economists and pundits did not (but was obvious long ago): China's economy is a house of cards and they need us much, much more than we need them. We had the strong position and he used it. How well he used it and what this will end up like in the future time will tell. If he loses this year the next president could (and most likely would) destroy all of what he's accomplished in a matter of months.

But already multiple businesses have come back to the US to set up shop.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:18 PM (KZzsI)

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But didn't you see that commercial set in 2050 where China rules America?!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:19 PM (q80AH)

257 Eventually they're going to run out of money, and when they do they'll have to let their currency and prices move to a natural level rather than the artificial levels that they've been kept at.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at January 17, 2020 03:17 PM (wCmLp)
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If both sides are behaving fairly, there is no need for tariffs. When this happens, if this happens, the tariffs will vanish like dew in the morn.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 03:19 PM (I2dne)

258 Mo Money Mo Money Mo Money!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2020 03:19 PM (VnxtC)

259 Remember "jobs saved" and "Funemployment"? Good times. Actually bad times now that I think about it.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 17, 2020 03:19 PM (4e+hS)

260 I saw the decade end. It seemed the world could change in the blink of an eye.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

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But for right here & right now. Trump rocks.

Posted by: SH at January 17, 2020 03:19 PM (sX1BW)

261 259 Remember "jobs saved" and "Funemployment"? Good times. Actually bad times now that I think about it.
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 17, 2020 03:19 PM (4e+hS)

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Depends on your sense of humor, really.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:19 PM (q80AH)

262 >>>On reflection, I won't compare Reagan to Trump. Vastly different
situations, and palettes to work with. Plus, Reagan's body of work
covered eight years, Trump's, three.

Also, conservative media almost didn't exist then. No internet and hardly any other opinions, news or viewpoints outside of the Big Three networks.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 17, 2020 03:19 PM (HmZuC)

263 Trump feels different and gets a different type of respect because we feel more like contemporaries, if that makes sense.
Posted by: Aetius451AD personal phone at January 17, 2020 03:16 PM (oXJmp)


I can imagine RR reading the Horde and chuckling. I can imagine DJT actively participating.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 17, 2020 03:19 PM (y7DUB)

264 210 202 wouldn't dip my dick in glitter just yet, morons.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at January 17, 2020 03:11 PM (KP5rU


so when did you and Glitter become a thing ?

Posted by: Petey Buttplug at January 17, 2020 03:19 PM (rpxSz)

265 But I'm with Chris Taylor - the fall of the Berlin Wall was amazing. And that was all Reagan.
Posted by: SH at January 17, 2020 03:15 PM (sX1BW)


If Trump's moves result in Iran's collapse he'll have surpassed Reagan, IMHO. Removing the Ayatollah's regime will help stabilize Iraq and Afghanistan, and have a huge ripple effect throughout the region, including Israel and Lebanon.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at January 17, 2020 03:20 PM (wCmLp)

266 234 Reagan was the greatest because he was the greatest of my youth? He has a special place. He was the kindly man on tv that spoke so eloquently and could make the world bright with a wave of his hand and banish evil with a laughing quip. There is power in that that cannot be replicated just because I am different now.

Trump feels different and gets a different type of respect because we feel more like contemporaries, if that makes sense.
Posted by: Aetius451AD personal phone at January 17, 2020 03:16 PM (oXJmp)

I agree with you - Reagan was a Father that you had infinite respect for, and who could calmly and warmly explain everything while shaming his enemies. Reagan is the only politician ever who actually made me cry during one of his speeches, the Challenger eulogy. No one else could ever do that.

Trump is the warrior you need when shells are dropping on you from every direction. I don't care about anything but this - he Fights!

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 17, 2020 03:20 PM (trdmm)

267 this is why Goldberg and Hayes break out in a sweat when they see Mollie coming
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 17, 2020 03:18 PM (vEIlU)
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Goldberg and Hayes break out in a sweat when they saunter up to the buffet line.

Molly probably makes 'em shit their pants - something Goldberg can ill afford.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 03:20 PM (I2dne)

268 Remember when destroying used cars was good for the economy? I do!

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 17, 2020 03:20 PM (4e+hS)

269 I am confident I will consume at least six beers tonight.

Posted by: wth at January 17, 2020 03:20 PM (v0R5T)

270 265 But I'm with Chris Taylor - the fall of the Berlin Wall was amazing. And that was all Reagan.
Posted by: SH at January 17, 2020 03:15 PM (sX1BW)

If Trump's moves result in Iran's collapse he'll have surpassed Reagan, IMHO. Removing the Ayatollah's regime will help stabilize Iraq and Afghanistan, and have a huge ripple effect throughout the region, including Israel and Lebanon.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at January 17, 2020 03:20 PM (wCmLp)

============

"In a coincidence that no one can explain, global terrorism has decreased after the unrelated fall of the mullahs in Iran."
-CNN

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:20 PM (q80AH)

271 Apparently the Extinction Rebellion clowns in Australia thought it would be a good idea to protest by burying their heads in the sand. Not figuratively, actual heads in actual sand.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 17, 2020 03:21 PM (1ISKN)

272 If I have virgin rope for a guilty neck...am I of the horode?

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at January 17, 2020 03:22 PM (WmJSv)

273 180
178 People wonder why the Dems are so laser-focused on impeachment
despite the drain it has on their polling. It's stuff like this - they
have literally nothing else to complain about.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 17, 2020 03:08 PM (HmZuC)

I'm sure I'm a very annoying broken record. They have to do things like impeachment or they will lose control of the Narrative. Trump might wake too many people up for the rest of their lives. Millions of voters would never vote Democrat again if the light was shined on them.

If Democrats don't pretend he's the most evil and *unsuccessful* thing on the planet, people may get the idea that it's a good idea to follow in his very big, very fabulous, footsteps.

Posted by: ... at January 17, 2020 03:22 PM (pLNY2)

274 Jonah breaks a sweat getting up off the couch.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2020 03:22 PM (VnxtC)

275 Remember when destroying used cars was good for the economy? I do!
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 17, 2020 03:20 PM (4e+hS)
++++++++++++
"Cash for Clunkers" now as then, fills me with a bilious rage that I have a hard time containing. Time has not made it better. The wrong-headed insanity of that program make my blood boil.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 03:22 PM (I2dne)

276 To use Civil War General analogies, Trump is Jeb Stewart, Reagan was US Grant.

Posted by: tubal at January 17, 2020 03:22 PM (qhmX5)

277 133
This is the tale of Chief Shannon Kent, who was killed in Syria one year ago yesterday along with 3 other Americans:



https://tinyurl.com/RIP-Chief-Shannon-Kent



She was probably America's most accomplished female warrior. Complete Badass and a true Hero.



RIP



You will not be forgotten.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 17, 2020 03:01 PM (fp3O
Just read this. We should be holding people such as her as heroes today. Not some rock star, pro athlete, etc.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 17, 2020 03:22 PM (N39Ws)

278 Molly probably makes 'em shit their pants - something Goldberg can ill afford.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 03:20 PM (I2dne)

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LOL. He can't afford pants.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 17, 2020 03:22 PM (AzW6q)

279 274 Jonah breaks a sweat getting up off the couch.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2020 03:22 PM (VnxtC)

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He breaks a sweat reaching for the remote.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:22 PM (q80AH)

280 That late 90s tech bubble was weird

Well it was a combination of clever con men selling what the internet would be in a few decades to people who knew virtually nothing about computers or the internet but wanted to be in on the ground floor.

I see, in a small way, comparisons between the Dot Com bubble and the wave of social media clickbait magazines like Salon, Buzzfeed, etc. They showed up because investors were convinced that there was BIG MONEY to be made using social media to clickbait eyeballs to websites, thus selling advertising!

And now, the time period of those investor dollars has ended and these businesses are shuttling or being radically changed, because it was all bullcrap.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:22 PM (KZzsI)

281 276 To use Civil War General analogies, Trump is Jeb Stewart, Reagan was US Grant.
Posted by: tubal at January 17, 2020 03:22 PM (qhmX5)

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Cucks, both of 'em.

We need a Sherman!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:23 PM (q80AH)

282 "In a coincidence that no one can explain, global terrorism has decreased after the unrelated fall of the mullahs in Iran."

-CNN

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:20 PM (q80AH)

"And it's illegal for you to read about this story anywhere but CNN, so stay tuned."

Posted by: ... at January 17, 2020 03:23 PM (pLNY2)

283 I can imagine RR reading the Horde and chuckling. I can imagine DJT actively participating.
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 17, 2020 03:19 PM (y7DUB)


William F. Buckley would likely have not approved of Trump. But he sure as hell would have understood how you got Trump, and I believe he would be the first to admit that Trump has been effective.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at January 17, 2020 03:23 PM (wCmLp)

284 >>Jonah breaks a sweat


when his wife's boyfriend pulls in the driveway.

Posted by: garrett at January 17, 2020 03:23 PM (XShdm)

285 I bawled like a child when the Berlin Wall came down. It was the single most significant epoch in recent history. Nobody born after 1985 can really comprehend how significant that event that was.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:07 PM (KZzsI)



I saved and still have a number of newspapers from that day. I also remember the MFM all flabbergasted and upset that it was happening

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 17, 2020 03:23 PM (mpeBU)

286 Jonah breaks a sweat getting up off the couch.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2020 03:22 PM (VnxtC)

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I break a sweat when he sits.

Posted by: The Couch at January 17, 2020 03:23 PM (4fmLd)

287 Let us hope that this translates to a Reagan like second term victory.

Posted by: Big V Caffeinated at January 17, 2020 03:24 PM (B06Zw)

288 Remember when 3% growth was a pipe dream for crack users and meth heads. I remember.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 17, 2020 03:24 PM (4e+hS)

289 I made a crap-ton on Cisco back in the day.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2020 03:24 PM (VnxtC)

290 Adhesive, THEN glitter. I learned real good in preschool.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at January 17, 2020 03:24 PM (e1mEI)

291 so when did you and Glitter become a thing ?
Posted by: Petey Buttplug at January 17, 2020 03:19 PM


I have many admirers here, actually.

Posted by: Glitter at January 17, 2020 03:24 PM (vk+y5)

292 Reagan was the greatest because he was the greatest
of my youth? He has a special place. He was the kindly man on tv that
spoke so eloquently and could make the world bright with a wave of his
hand and banish evil with a laughing quip. There is power in that that
cannot be replicated just because I am different now.



Trump feels different and gets a different type of respect because we feel more like contemporaries, if that makes sense.

Posted by: Aetius451AD personal phone at January 17, 2020 03:16 PM (oXJmp)

anyone who thinks how we live today is normal should check out an Eisenhower press conference on youtube. There is one where the press is criticizing him for supposedly criticizing Robert E. Lee. Again, I did not say that wrong. The liberal press is questioning Eisenhower because he supposedly criticized Lee as a tactician.

But aside from the subject, notice the way they treat each other, how they interact with each other. There are many other examples including Kennedy and Nixon debates. The point is we are living in an America and world that never existed before. The way we treat each other in public is new and not so great.

Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 03:24 PM (n13/j)

293 >202
wouldn't dip my dick in glitter just yet, morons.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at January 17, 2020 03:11 PM (KP5rU)


Why? It wouldn't take much glitter for you.

Posted by: Muad'dib at January 17, 2020 03:24 PM (sjdRT)

294 >>I made a crap-ton on Cisco back in the day.


So did the guy who owns about 1/3 of the Valley I live in. But he was a Principal.

Posted by: garrett at January 17, 2020 03:24 PM (XShdm)

295
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:22 PM (KZzsI)

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As of IPO, Uber had a market-cap higher than any of the big three automakers.

Replace "the World Wide Web" with "mobile apps," and it's the same bubble all over again... a VC-fueled cash furnace waiting to explode into flames.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 17, 2020 03:25 PM (AzW6q)

296 283 I can imagine RR reading the Horde and chuckling. I can imagine DJT actively participating.
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 17, 2020 03:19 PM (y7DUB)

William F. Buckley would likely have not approved of Trump. But he sure as hell would have understood how you got Trump, and I believe he would be the first to admit that Trump has been effective.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at January 17, 2020 03:23 PM (wCmLp)

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Buckley when he died, would probably not have approved of Trump.

If Buckley had lived through the Obama years and seen what the GOP had become in full detail, I think he might have approved. Class markers were certainly important to him, so he wouldn't have been an early adopter, but I could see him turning into a full throated Trump supporter by the convention.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:25 PM (q80AH)

297 276 To use Civil War General analogies, Trump is Jeb Stewart, Reagan was US Grant.
Posted by: tubal at January 17, 2020 03:22 PM (qhmX5)


In that analogy game, Trump is Philip Sheridan.

Posted by: Gref at January 17, 2020 03:25 PM (AMIL/)

298 288 Remember when 3% growth was a pipe dream for crack users and meth heads. I remember.
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 17, 2020 03:24 PM (4e+hS)

===========

"It's never coming back."
-Liberal economists

"I guess not...sigh..."
-The GOPe

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:25 PM (q80AH)

299 >>Adhesive, THEN glitter. I learned real good in preschool.


PRO TIP : Flour first.

Posted by: Meghan McCain at January 17, 2020 03:25 PM (XShdm)

300 Ted Cruz @tedcruz

NY Dem royalty Chris Cuomo declares "I can't believe people would vote for" McSally, or McConnell, or any GOP candidate. Clutching his pearls, in the very same breath, he says he can't understand why anyone might think CNN are liberal hacks....


oh no he didn't

Ted Cruz @tedcruz

Pro tip: real "journalists" don't (1) kiss up to every Dem, (2) refuse to ask them hard Qs, (3) relentlessly attack every Republican, (4) lie when doing so and (5) always, always push the prevailing Dem narrative of the moment. You know this, as does Manu. You just choose not to.


this is too easy for Cruz, and he's having so much fun

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 17, 2020 03:25 PM (vEIlU)

301 Remember when destroying used cars was good for the economy? I do!
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 17, 2020 03:20 PM (4e+hS)
........

I also remember when the president used to give speeches from warehouses that went out of business two weeks later!

Posted by: wth at January 17, 2020 03:25 PM (v0R5T)

302 The wrong-headed insanity of that program make my blood boil.

Well it accomplished a lot of what they were trying to: destroy and delete old cheap cars which poor people could rely on for transportation. Because oil cars were destroying the planet and everyone who is anyone knows that electric is the future and internal combustion engines are going to go away any minute now. Any minute....

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:25 PM (KZzsI)

303 I gave the FNM a pass on trying to boost the economy with rosy reporting. Investors are prone to lemming behavior so tell them things are great and maybe they'll make it so and that would be a positive for the country.

But now these shitweasels are showing there true faces and trying to spook the nation into a recession because they can't stand a positive with DJT in the WH. Its despicable trying to harm so many Americans just to put a mark on Trump.

Posted by: paleRider is simply irredeemable at January 17, 2020 03:26 PM (eASYU)

304 Remember when the jobless rate declined because people gave up all hope of finding a job and stopped looking? Those were the days!

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 17, 2020 03:26 PM (4e+hS)

305 300
this is too easy for Cruz, and he's having so much fun
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 17, 2020 03:25 PM (vEIlU)

=========

He's gonna run in 2024, and he's gonna be a force.

We shall see.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:26 PM (q80AH)

306 "Cash for Clunkers" now as then, fills me with a bilious rage that I have a hard time containing.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 03:22 PM


This. Most emphatically this!!!!

Posted by: Kars for Kids at January 17, 2020 03:27 PM (vk+y5)

307 I say there is room on Rushmore for both of them.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2020 03:05 PM (VnxtC)

"I don't have to steal thunder from other Presidents. Wait, some Indian chief has a bigger monument? Work in progress? Challenge accepted, Crazy Douche."
- third term President Trump, probably.

Posted by: trev006 at January 17, 2020 03:27 PM (+9YYq)

308 306 "Cash for Clunkers" now as then, fills me with a bilious rage that I have a hard time containing.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 03:22 PM

This. Most emphatically this!!!!
Posted by: Kars for Kids at January 17, 2020 03:27 PM (vk+y5)

==========

I feel a song coming on!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:27 PM (q80AH)

309 He's gonna run in 2024, and he's gonna be a force.


I still want him on the USSC.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2020 03:27 PM (VnxtC)

310 But aside from the subject, notice the way they treat each other, how they interact with each other. There are many other examples including Kennedy and Nixon debates. The point is we are living in an America and world that never existed before. The way we treat each other in public is new and not so great.
Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 03:24 PM (n13/j)
++++++++++++
This is what happens when you demonize half the country for decades, then ramp it up and accuse them of being evil - in hard terms - for their race, sex or class. Do that for a couple of generations and you get a lot of anger and disrespect. Layer modern communications on top of it and just amplifies.

We did not get here overnight. And while it is a net negative, I am unwilling to be polite and cordial to a group that wants me at best to be enslaved or at worse wants me dead. They - and sadly we - are now reaping the whirlwind.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 03:27 PM (I2dne)

311 William F. Buckley would likely have not approved of Trump. But he sure as hell would have understood how you got Trump, and I believe he would be the first to admit that Trump has been effective.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at January 17, 2020 03:23 PM (wCmLp)


That sounds right. If Buckley had been around he surely would have scorched all his purported acolytes who behaved like sniveling cowards during the reign of Gaylord Merkin Focker the Wurst.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 17, 2020 03:28 PM (y7DUB)

312 >>>Young people can't appreciate what is was like growing up in the Cold War.


We're still in a Cold War, except now the bad guys are here, and like the Soviets of old, they are happy to declare openly that we should be crushed and imprisoned for our beliefs. Make no mistake, there are a sizable number of "anti-fascists" who wouldn't twice about using the power of government to eradicate us. You don't have to believe me - just listen to them.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 17, 2020 03:28 PM (HmZuC)

313 309 He's gonna run in 2024, and he's gonna be a force.


I still want him on the USSC.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2020 03:27 PM (VnxtC)

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He would be really good on SCOTUS, but I think he wouldn't accept a nomination before he got another run at POTUS.

He was number 2 for president in 2016. He has a valid claim to next in line.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:28 PM (q80AH)

314 As of IPO, Uber had a market-cap higher than any of the big three automakers.

I almost feel like that might not be unreasonable, if Uber can remain stable and largely replace taxis. Its a huge, huge market that is very popular. And they have expanded into food delivery.

Were I super rich, that's an area I would definitely be getting into: online catalog deliveries. More and more people want to just stay home and have things sent to their door.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:28 PM (KZzsI)

315 I feel a song coming on!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:27 PM (q80AH)

Stop that! No singing!

Posted by: King of Swamp Castle at January 17, 2020 03:28 PM (q1Pj5)

316 315 I feel a song coming on!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:27 PM (q80AH)

Stop that! No singing!
Posted by: King of Swamp Castle at January 17, 2020 03:28 PM (q1Pj5)

===========

I watched that last night (staring a Terry Gilliam run), and it was as hilarious as it's always been. Maybe the best aging comedy ever.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:29 PM (q80AH)

317 >> I feel a song coming on!



LOVERBOY

Posted by: garrett at January 17, 2020 03:29 PM (XShdm)

318 Ted Cruz @tedcruz

Pro tip: real "journalists" don't (1) kiss up to every Dem, (2) refuse to ask them hard Qs, (3) relentlessly attack every Republican, (4) lie when doing so and (5) always, always push the prevailing Dem narrative of the moment. You know this, as does Manu. You just choose not to.

this is too easy for Cruz, and he's having so much fun
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 17, 2020 03:25 PM (vEIlU)
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I have been pleased with the increase in Cruz's saltiness since 2016.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 03:29 PM (I2dne)

319 I assume the imbecilic and predictable media is going with consumerism bad articles.

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 17, 2020 03:29 PM (36o+X)

320 EM-PEACH!!!!!

REEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Max Power at January 17, 2020 03:29 PM (q177U)

321 I am confident I will consume at least six beers tonight.
Posted by: wth
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Dammit, that's not playing fair. You're not confined to guesswork.

Posted by: Economists at January 17, 2020 03:29 PM (cg4r6)

322 So with these Civil War analogies, who's Custer? Romney?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:29 PM (KZzsI)

323 Shouldn't we be putting Putin's jughead up on Rushmore? I thought that was the narrative.

Posted by: Fritz at January 17, 2020 03:30 PM (ATCV4)

324 I am not saying there are not issues to be fixed or people to be helped. i am saying the opposite. The coarsening of our culture helps no one and fixes nothing. We have an embarrassment of riches but we waste so much time squabbling over who will fix the problems.

Many think this new world is better and there are ways to claim that to be so. But we could do so much better with a tiny bit of unity and national pride.

Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 03:30 PM (n13/j)

325
Please win the popular vote!
Please win the popular vote!
Please win the popular vote!
Please win the popular vote!
Please win the popular vote!
Please win the popular vote!
Please win the popular vote!
Please win the popular vote!

Posted by: Max Power at January 17, 2020 03:30 PM (q177U)

326 Well it accomplished a lot of what they were trying to: destroy and delete old cheap cars which poor people could rely on for transportation. Because oil cars were destroying the planet and everyone who is anyone knows that electric is the future and internal combustion engines are going to go away any minute now. Any minute....
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:25 PM (KZzsI)
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Every car sold to replace a "clunker" was an oil burner (well, as close as makes no difference). The point was a destruction of unencumbered capital and replacing it with encumbered capital and associated paper. A more insane policy is hard to come by.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 03:30 PM (I2dne)

327 As bad as the Dem/MSM insanity, hate, smears, lies the past three years have been, I'm expecting them to outdo themselves on this impeachment BS by an order of magnitude. This is their last best chance to hurt Trump and are going to go all-in as never before. We may finally see Peak Stupid, or at least approach it like an asymptote.

--

Sadly, you are 100% correct. This will be a clown show of epic proportions. The 'Cleopatra' of political stage performances. They know this is it. Their last hope to, if not rid themselves of Trump now, keep him from being reelected. It will be a galactic cavalcade of lying idiots. Bring on the baby uptalk, bring on the Radditz-sized tears, bring on the unified solid color clothes, bring on the monkeys flinging poo, bring on the paid protesters, bring on the carnival barkers, bring on the furrowed brows, bring on the corrupt MFM as they all coagulate together in a giant orgy of deception and theater.

Posted by: CBS News at January 17, 2020 03:30 PM (JoUsr)

328 /sock!

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 17, 2020 03:30 PM (JoUsr)

329 325
Please win the popular vote!
Please win the popular vote!
Please win the popular vote!
Please win the popular vote!
Please win the popular vote!
Please win the popular vote!
Please win the popular vote!
Please win the popular vote!
Posted by: Max Power at January 17, 2020 03:30 PM (q177U)

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A very, very small part of me wants Trump to win the popular vote but lose the electoral vote.

Just for the cognitive dissonance from the left.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:30 PM (q80AH)

330 If Buckley had lived through the Obama years and seen what the GOP had become in full detail, I think he might have approved. Class markers were certainly important to him, so he wouldn't have been an early adopter, but I could see him turning into a full throated Trump supporter by the convention.

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One will never know. And perhaps it is best that Buckley was gone before Trump came onto the scene. There are enough stories in which to think he might be supportive. But plenty to suggest that he would not.

Elder perspectives can be double edge. They have wisdom to share - particularly Buckley who one has to admit was somewhat instrumental in the fight against communism. That was his fight. Trump's is the elite
& culture. Different battles for different times. Different ways of fighting. Though one might say different sides to the same coin.

Posted by: SH at January 17, 2020 03:31 PM (sX1BW)

331 I assume the imbecilic and predictable media is going with consumerism bad articles.
Posted by: Northernlurker
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I wouldn't be surprised to hear Bernie condemn consumerism as the root of all capitalist evil.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2020 03:31 PM (cg4r6)

332 Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 03:14 PM (n13/j)

The USA was not better overall. 21% home interest rates , the Soviets, a demoralized military , South American communists, Democrat controlled Congress and Senate and Energy dependence.

Worst of all , a Democrat controlled Texas.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 17, 2020 03:31 PM (qcIWB)

333 He's (Cruz) gonna run in 2024, and he's gonna be a force.

We shall see.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:26 PM (q80AH)


I am really liking the cut of Mike Pompeo's jib for a run for POTUS in 2024. Fight me!

Posted by: Gref at January 17, 2020 03:31 PM (AMIL/)

334 333
I am really liking the cut of Mike Pompeo's jib for a run for POTUS in 2024. Fight me!
Posted by: Gref at January 17, 2020 03:31 PM (AMIL/)

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Here, have a hot dog sandwich.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:32 PM (q80AH)

335 So with these Civil War analogies, who's Custer? Romney?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:29 PM (KZzsI)

nah, Custer was way better. Romney is more like. Nah, not going there. I can't think of who might be Romney. Certainly no one who served deserves that comparison. I was thinking Henry Halleck but that is not fair to Halleck.

Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 03:32 PM (n13/j)

336

I guess Trump didn't want Gowdy on his team. Interesting.

The team is "everyone that has been on Laura Ingraham's show" except the grumpy one, Saul.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 17, 2020 03:33 PM (vEIlU)

337 335 So with these Civil War analogies, who's Custer? Romney?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:29 PM (KZzsI)

nah, Custer was way better. Romney is more like. Nah, not going there. I can't think of who might be Romney. Certainly no one who served deserves that comparison. I was thinking Henry Halleck but that is not fair to Halleck.
Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 03:32 PM (n13/j)

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Meade?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:33 PM (q80AH)

338 322 So with these Civil War analogies, who's Custer? Romney?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:29 PM (KZzsI)


McDowell, without a doubt.

Posted by: tubal at January 17, 2020 03:33 PM (qhmX5)

339 >>I made a crap-ton on Cisco back in the day.

Some who worked there did ok too.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2020 03:33 PM (ZLI7S)

340 Please win the popular vote!
Posted by: Max Power at January 17, 2020 03:30 PM (q177U)

===========

A very, very small part of me wants Trump to win the popular vote but lose the electoral vote.

Just for the cognitive dissonance from the left.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:30 PM (q80AH)
........

ABOLISH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE... oh wait

Posted by: wth at January 17, 2020 03:33 PM (v0R5T)

341 nah, Custer was way better. Romney is more like. Nah, not going there. I can't think of who might be Romney. Certainly no one who served deserves that comparison. I was thinking Henry Halleck but that is not fair to Halleck.
Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 03:32 PM (n13/j)
+++++++++++++
Romney is a private soldier whose gun always mysteriously malfunctions, at which point he returns to rear and pilfers chow.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 03:33 PM (I2dne)

342 This week, from Conservative Inc. ...

The Conservative Case for Debt-Fueled 1% Growth with Zero-Percent Consumer Interest Rates

Posted by: DocJ at January 17, 2020 03:33 PM (77WPm)

343

Monica Lewinsky tries to remain relevant by using the "F" word when hearing of Ken Starr joining the team.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 17, 2020 03:34 PM (vEIlU)

344 I can't think of who might be Romney.


Burnside?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2020 03:34 PM (VnxtC)

345 Mitt Romney is Clement Vallandigham.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 17, 2020 03:34 PM (HmZuC)

346 Romney is a private soldier whose gun always mysteriously malfunctions, at which point he returns to rear and pilfers chow.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 03:33 PM (I2dne)


Trump's going to drive Romney to drink!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 17, 2020 03:35 PM (vEIlU)

347 Speaking of the Cruz . . .

Ted Cruz@tedcruz
NY Dem royalty Chris Cuomo declares "I can't believe people would vote for" McSally, or McConnell, or any GOP candidate. Clutching his pearls, in the very same breath, he says he can't understand why anyone might think CNN are liberal hacks....

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at January 17, 2020 03:35 PM (+y/Ru)

348 BTW how did Krugman get away with downloading child porn? Like...he can't be that well liked.

Posted by: dj3way at January 17, 2020 03:35 PM (bhPL1)

349 Suddenly, I recall my middle school lessons about the electoral college.

This was before W's win over Gore, so it was treated straightforward.

"How it happens is that you rack up big wins in large states but lose in enough states with enough electoral votes to cancel it out."

The woman who taught me the lesson was dyed in the wool liberal progressive, and she just treated it as a thing. A quirk in our system that could happen from time to time.

I seriously doubt she shares that view now.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:35 PM (q80AH)

350 On reflection, I won't compare Reagan to Trump. Vastly different
situations, and palettes to work with. Plus, Reagan's body of work
covered eight years, Trump's, three.

Also, conservative media almost didn't exist then. No internet and hardly any other opinions, news or viewpoints outside of the Big Three networks.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 17, 2020


*
*

I admit

(Hey, stop twisting my arm! And put those red-hot pincers down!)

that I was not a conservative during the Reagan years. I had been told by various print sources such as Playboy that R administrations meant to strip us of our hard-won civil rights, that Reagan was a doofus, etc. And while I was no socialist by any means, I really thought that the government was actively working to control what went on in our bedrooms.

Yeah, I know. *hangs head* My excuse is that I was still drinking in those days. Now, looking back, I realize Reagan did amazing things. But Trump seems different, because I'm different. He's *my* president, whereas back then Reagan seemed remote from me, somehow.

Okay, confession time over. Who's ordering pizza?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 17, 2020 03:36 PM (Ejm1K)

351 Monica Lewinsky tries to remain relevant by using the "F" word when hearing of Ken Starr joining the team.

--

The View hags are phoning her for a guest appearance right about now.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 17, 2020 03:36 PM (JoUsr)

352 So with these Civil War analogies, who's Custer? Romney?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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I would give McSally the John Mosby Award. Lightening raids. Hit and run. Grab the goods, burn the barns, turn and leave.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2020 03:36 PM (cg4r6)

353 Upon reflection, Romney is Leonidas Polk, a nastier piece of work you cannot find. General McClellan was a backstabbing traitorous coward though, so

Posted by: tubal at January 17, 2020 03:36 PM (qhmX5)

354 343




Monica Lewinsky tries to remain relevant by using the "F" word when hearing of Ken Starr joining the team.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 17, 2020 03:34 PM (vEIlU)
Starr should send he a box of cigars with a card saying "You know what to do"

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 17, 2020 03:36 PM (N39Ws)

355 Ben Franklin would have been 314 today

Posted by: SMOD at January 17, 2020 03:36 PM (3aI0K)

356 I think we have a number of good potential candidates for 2024. Even our bad ones have an IQ 50 IQ points higher than the Dems have now, with the exception of Yang.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 17, 2020 03:36 PM (qcIWB)

357 I hear the theme song to Shaft!

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at January 17, 2020 03:36 PM (WmJSv)

358 Speaking of consumerism, why is it that on those Weight Watchers commercials all they talk about is food?
"Eat 6 meals a day and lose weight!"
Sure, Fatty.

Posted by: wth at January 17, 2020 03:36 PM (v0R5T)

359 nah, Custer was way better. Romney is more like. Nah, not going there. I can't think of who might be Romney. Certainly no one who served deserves that comparison. I was thinking Henry Halleck but that is not fair to Halleck.
Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 03:32 PM (n13/j)


Romney is a unique ineradicable stain on the country.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 17, 2020 03:36 PM (y7DUB)

360 "If both sides are behaving fairly, there is no need
for tariffs. When this happens, if this happens, the tariffs will vanish
like dew in the morn"

Posted by Mannix

imo that assumes a lot of the Free Trade is Golden theory. "Fairly" as in all nations have the same health care, human rights, pollution standards, lawfare structure, etc. ?


No, that won't happen, so fairness won't happen. US workers won't accept have a "fair balance" in their wages, with the average Chinese or Mexican worker. Jefferson or one of those early guys .. said if we can make it , we should make it ... till we get full employment with good quality jobs.


We need strategic trade, not belief in the Free Trade Fairy that will magically make America Great, because all nations are equal.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 17, 2020 03:36 PM (Cus5s)

361
I ate a crap-ton of Crisco back in the day.

Posted by: Michael Moore at January 17, 2020 03:36 PM (h5TKJ)

362 350 that I was not a conservative during the Reagan years. I had been told by various print sources such as Playboy that R administrations meant to strip us of our hard-won civil rights, that Reagan was a doofus, etc. And while I was no socialist by any means, I really thought that the government was actively working to control what went on in our bedrooms.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at January 17, 2020 03:36 PM (Ejm1K)

==========

"But we're doing it for your own good and we really mean it!"
-The modern left

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:36 PM (q80AH)

363 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 03:30 PM (I2dne)

Young people are being given a hard time about not driving, but *what* are they supposed to drive?I would love to have my kids be able to plunk down a small amount for a beater that they could then work on on weekends, but those don't exist any more (and I very much blame Cash for Clunkers, although the not being able to do one's own maintenance thing is its own issue.)

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 17, 2020 03:37 PM (uquGJ)

364 >>>BTW how did Krugman get away with downloading child porn? Like...he can't be that well liked.


His cats vouched for him. All 24 of them.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 17, 2020 03:37 PM (HmZuC)

365 John.Lee Hooker > Fighting Joe Hooker

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at January 17, 2020 03:37 PM (+y/Ru)

366 CBS News alternate headline: Higher incomes lead to more stress and death.

_______


"This!" -- Zombie Jeffrey Epstein

Posted by: ShainS, Club Gulag > Club Gitmo at January 17, 2020 03:37 PM (tvnpt)

367 nah, Custer was way better. Romney is more like. Nah, not going there. I can't think of who might be Romney. Certainly no one who served deserves that comparison. I was thinking Henry Halleck but that is not fair to Halleck.
Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 03:32 PM (n13/j)
+++++++++++++
Romney is a private soldier whose gun always mysteriously malfunctions, at which point he returns to rear and pilfers chow.

-----------

I see him as the Matthew Broderick guy in Glory.

Elite society member who thinks he is irreplaceable only to be gunned down in first real life action that was otherwise a defeat.

Posted by: SH at January 17, 2020 03:37 PM (sX1BW)

368 I know this is false because NO WAY

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at January 17, 2020 03:37 PM (xptlg)

369 355 Ben Franklin would have been 314 today
Posted by: SMOD at January 17, 2020 03:36 PM (3aI0K)

Franklin seems like the kind of person who would have appreciated his Pi-th birthday.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 17, 2020 03:37 PM (KUaJL)

370
The View hags are phoning her for a guest appearance right about now.
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 17, 2020 03:36 PM (JoUsr)


it ain't over until the fat lady sings

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 17, 2020 03:37 PM (vEIlU)

371 I read somewhere that the Media described Reagan as " an amiable dunce".

Posted by: tubal at January 17, 2020 03:37 PM (qhmX5)

372 Romney = One of the professional camp followers named after General Hooker.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at January 17, 2020 03:37 PM (vk+y5)

373 I can't think of who might be Romney.
.........

The guy on Sister Wives?

Posted by: wth at January 17, 2020 03:38 PM (v0R5T)

374 uh, what I meant was NO WAY anybody can beat the Jug
Eared Boy-King S* Midas.

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at January 17, 2020 03:38 PM (xptlg)

375 We need strategic trade, not belief in the Free Trade Fairy that will magically make America Great, because all nations are equal.
Posted by: illiniwek at January 17, 2020 03:36 PM (Cus5s)
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Agreed. The closer there is to parity (for example, the US and Canada), the more open things can be and they should be open to pursue efficiency. But free trade that is asymmetrical (they tariff or quota us but we don't do the same to them), or with a slave state, or with a state without property rights is utter madness. I am not a free trade fundamentalist.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 03:38 PM (I2dne)

376 369 355 Ben Franklin would have been 314 today
Posted by: SMOD at January 17, 2020 03:36 PM (3aI0K)

Franklin seems like the kind of person who would have appreciated his Pi-th birthday.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 17, 2020 03:37 PM (KUaJL)

That is very clever.

Posted by: tubal at January 17, 2020 03:38 PM (qhmX5)

377 The woman who taught me the lesson was dyed in the wool liberal progressive, and she just treated it as a thing. A quirk in our system that could happen from time to time.
------

When I hear a Liberal acquaintance bemoaning the fact that Hillary collected the popular vote, I simply say, "Well, I'm not surprised when Democrats say that, they said the same thing when Abraham Lincoln was elected."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2020 03:38 PM (cg4r6)

378 Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 03:14 PM (n13/j)



The USA was not better overall. 21% home interest rates , the
Soviets, a demoralized military , South American communists, Democrat
controlled Congress and Senate and Energy dependence.



Worst of all , a Democrat controlled Texas.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 17, 2020 03:31 PM (qcIWB)

i guess you are going wthe Carter era and first year or so of Reagan. I found it a better time to live in personally. I recall conservatives and liberals could debate and be friends. Hell, I am not even going to get into it really. If people think we are in a better time they probably don't live in a blue area is all I am saying. So many of our conservative bretheren can't even voice their opinions in public. That is not better I promise you.

Ask a Brit or a comic if today is better than 30 years ago. Ask people if they are treated better in public today than before. A lot of this is situational but by many metrics are society of more coarse and less open to freedom for all. Everything is a nightmare and travesty today, even the small things are the end of the world. Maybe it is just me and I am being too negative. But with everything we gain by technology and science, I also see us losing.

Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 03:38 PM (n13/j)

379 Romney would have moved to Mexico until the hostilities ended

Posted by: x at January 17, 2020 03:38 PM (nFwvY)

380 Romney would be Elmer Ellsworth.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 17, 2020 03:38 PM (4e+hS)

381 The woman who taught me the lesson was dyed in the wool liberal progressive, and she just treated it as a thing. A quirk in our system that could happen from time to time.

Yeah, everyone treated it that way until Bush won, and they went berserk.

Custer was an odd mix. He was clearly competent, but would um, deviate from orders in order to glorify himself. He was a kind of poncy figure who loved the media, but was actually a good leader. He had a problem of not listening to good advice when he saw a great chance at publicity, as well. Sometimes that works out, and sometimes you get massacred by a bunch of tribes who banded together.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:38 PM (KZzsI)

382 Thanks Trump

Posted by: My 401K at January 17, 2020 03:39 PM (2cfUo)

383 the government was actively working to control what went on in our bedrooms.

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No, no, no, John! It's thrust, thrust, fondle, thrust!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at January 17, 2020 03:39 PM (+y/Ru)

384 Young people are being given a hard time about not driving, but *what* are they supposed to drive?I would love to have my kids be able to plunk down a small amount for a beater that they could then work on on weekends, but those don't exist any more (and I very much blame Cash for Clunkers, although the not being able to do one's own maintenance thing is its own issue.)
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 17, 2020 03:37 PM (uquGJ)
+++++++++++++++
Things are getting better on that front since we're a decade removed from "cash for clunkers" but boy did the used car market dislocate on the low end. Computer-mandatory maintenance and specialty tools are different problem, but we are slowly getting a low-end used market back.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 03:39 PM (I2dne)

385 296, 283

If you read Chris Buckley's description of living with his father, you would conclude that Buckley was an unpleasant person to be around. He wasn't nearly as important as people say he was--in a sense, he was a celebrity pundit and gatekeeper, more or less, but left nothing as a coherent political philosophy.

Most of the folks that were far more accomplished as thinkers and writers in NR, were eventually run off at the behest of his financial backers for various alleged offenses. Buckley could do that because these folks literally had no other place to go. And no, Buckley had little if nothing to do with the rise of Reagan.

Essentially, Buckley helped create the whole CONservatism Inc. that pollutes the Right's few media and intellectual outlets today. The whole role of gatekeepers for "acceptable conservatism" instead of frank talk from the right's paltry media and intellectual establishment has led the Republican party (until Trump) into a cul de sac of corporate worship at the expense of the nation.



Posted by: whig at January 17, 2020 03:40 PM (EUDB2)

386 The closer there is to parity (for example, the US and Canada), the more open things can be

kind of a funny thing because for AGES Canada was fucking us over on dairy trade tariffs lol

basically forcing their citizens to buy all dairy domestically or pay incredible penalties (if even available).

so, yeah. I think my point is also fuck canada

you can't trust any of em! be on your guard and put your own country first

unless you're some kind of worldly smarty type who knows better I guess

Posted by: BlackOrchid, Wanna-Be Ukrainian Asset at January 17, 2020 03:40 PM (Rarvo)

387 I've been watching a number of Russian WW2 movies on the tube of you, and I gotta say they do a wonderful job of killing fascists and Nazis while being friends to all Poles and Czechs. They are especially kind and merciful to wounded combatants, animals at the Berlin zoo, and are staunch protectors of vulnerable Berliners of child bearing years.
I'm kinda liking these guys.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 17, 2020 03:40 PM (q1Pj5)

388 Also, it seems to me that I shouldn't need to visit a Smart Military Blog for economic news.

Shouldn't the evening news tell me these things?

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at January 17, 2020 03:40 PM (xptlg)

389 I see him as the Matthew Broderick guy in Glory.

Elite society member who thinks he is irreplaceable only to be gunned down in first real life action that was otherwise a defeat.
Posted by: SH at January 17, 2020 03:37 PM (sX1BW)


Nah, Robert Shaw was a good man and had seen his share of combat before given command of the black troops.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at January 17, 2020 03:40 PM (wCmLp)

390 i guess you are going wthe Carter era and first year or so of Reagan. I found it a better time to live in personally. I recall conservatives and liberals could debate and be friends.


and the poon. Again I must point out that the 1970's were that brief and golden age between The Pill and AIDS.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2020 03:40 PM (VnxtC)

391 muad, bathroom peeking dude, or something.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at January 17, 2020 03:41 PM (KP5rU)

392
Had not visited here since last night.

So grateful that I missed the discussion of Gerry Nadler's baby picture in the Art Thread.

Out for another time span ...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 17, 2020 03:41 PM (YtZB9)

393 If you read Chris Buckley's description of living with his father, you would conclude that Buckley was an unpleasant person to be around.

Then you remember its Christopher Buckley who despite the very fine name, is basically a Nevertrumper putz

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:42 PM (KZzsI)

394 387 I've been watching a number of Russian WW2 movies on the tube of you, and I gotta say they do a wonderful job of killing fascists and Nazis while being friends to all Poles and Czechs. They are especially kind and merciful to wounded combatants, animals at the Berlin zoo, and are staunch protectors of vulnerable Berliners of child bearing years.
I'm kinda liking these guys.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 17, 2020 03:40 PM (q1Pj5)

Too bad they aren't real?

Posted by: Someguy at January 17, 2020 03:42 PM (9PapW)

395 General Willard Romney would charge into battle and be decimated by his own artillery.

Posted by: Fritz at January 17, 2020 03:42 PM (ATCV4)

396 I'm kinda liking these guys.
Posted by: Count de Monet
------

The films of the gulags are really entertaining. Kind of like Soviet versions of 'Porky's'

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2020 03:42 PM (cg4r6)

397 I watched that last night (staring a Terry Gilliam run), and it was as hilarious as it's always been. Maybe the best aging comedy ever.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:29 PM (q80AH)

I saw it again recently as well! I think I've decided that Dennis the Peasant is my favorite character.

Over time though, I've come to think that "Life of Brian" is the best written and most hilarious of all of the Python creations, and I say that as a Christian who is very ware of how they dance on the edge of sacrilege throughout the entire film. (and I note that while they dance on the edge of it, they are quite careful to never go all the way across the line).

I think because of the subject matter, it's never been as widely shown or widely watched, but that film is the Python gang at the absolute peak of their game. To this day, I cannot think of a single more horrifically hilarious song than their rendition of "Always look on the Bright Side of Life."

btw, the unchurched might be surprised to know that no one appreciates religious humor more than those who find themselves in church faithfully.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 17, 2020 03:42 PM (trdmm)

398 you can't trust any of em! be on your guard and put your own country first

unless you're some kind of worldly smarty type who knows better I guess
Posted by: BlackOrchid, Wanna-Be Ukrainian Asset at January 17, 2020 03:40 PM (Rarvo)
++++++++++++++
Always keep your own country first. If they tariff your dairy, you tariff something they have proportionally (like, say, softwood lumber). If they subsidize it, you tax it.

The goal should be "less intervention" but never at the cost of getting reamed by an asymmetrical relationship.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 03:42 PM (I2dne)

399 I mentioned the other day that the Bernie bros locked all of their social media accounts, here's more from O'Keefe, breaking

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/with_replies

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 17, 2020 03:42 PM (vEIlU)

400 Romney?
McClellan. Lots of noise and PR. But he always finds an excuse to avoid a battle with the other side. Also undermines his boss and the cause after he finally gets thrown out for yet another failure.

Posted by: junior at January 17, 2020 03:42 PM (bFXUg)

401 I guess I never realized what a little toad nadler was until I saw the march of the impeachment papers. with his little troll hands bearly coming out of his jacket.

Posted by: Priapism at January 17, 2020 03:42 PM (2cfUo)

402 Speaking of CNBC as lefty as it can be at least it has Morgan Brennan's cleavage and Seema Mody. Bloomberg "news" is nothing but lefty propaganda. They just had a segment on millionaires who want to pay higher taxes. Well pay them. The whole station needs to be closed and everyone kicked out on the street. Except for Taylor Riggs. She will be added to my harem
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 17, 2020 02:51 PM (kw5n

This.

While the vaunted WSJ Editorial Board leaned 'conservative', in a GOPe-way since Bartley's departure, the news department was as liberal as the Times or WaPo. They almost revolted when Murdoch bought them.

CNBC and Bloomberg are as liberal as they come, notwithstanding Rick Santelli at CNBC. There isn't a leftwing economic theory that Bloomberg won't flog (I'm looking at you, MMT!).

Where are the conservative financial publications these days? Forbes??

It's sad, really.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 17, 2020 03:43 PM (iuFgi)

403 Jonah Goldberg breaks a sweat peeling an orange.

Posted by: steevy at January 17, 2020 03:43 PM (KNsKs)

404
Reagan defeated the existential threat of the Soviet Union. That was his main goal and mine. Young people can't appreciate what is was like growing up in the Cold War.

Watching the world wake up from history

and then go back to sleep.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 17, 2020 03:43 PM (aKsyK)

405 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 03:39 PM (I2dne)

That's good to know. We are going to need to replace our 16 year old Chevy Cavalier soon since it has almost 200,000 miles and is getting to be less dependable.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 17, 2020 03:43 PM (uquGJ)

406 387 I've been watching a number of Russian WW2 movies on the tube of you, and I gotta say they do a wonderful job of killing fascists and Nazis while being friends to all Poles and Czechs. They are especially kind and merciful to wounded combatants, animals at the Berlin zoo, and are staunch protectors of vulnerable Berliners of child bearing years.
I'm kinda liking these guys.
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 17, 2020 03:40 PM (q1Pj5)

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Nazis were a favorite of Soviet movies. They could kill them all day long and use the Nazis as subtle metaphors for things that actually bothered them in the Soviet Union.

Criterion will be releasing Come and See soon (no official date yet, but I've seen the cover art they're going to use), and I'm buying that thing the second I can.

It's a fantastically brutal WWII movie.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:44 PM (q80AH)

407 "It's our favorite subject - vaginas!" Paltrow proclaims gleefully [Ep.3, 3:05]. Then the same guest, feminist sex educator Betty Dodson, corrects her: "The vagina is the birth canal - only. You want to talk about the vulva, which is the clitoris, and the inner lips, and all that good shit around it."

Paltrow giggles before responding, "The vagina is only the birth canal? Oh! See, I'm getting an anatomy lesson that I didn't - I thought that the vagina was the whole.."

"No, no, no, no," Dodson cuts her off.

Posted by: SMOD at January 17, 2020 03:44 PM (3aI0K)

408 Funniest tweet I've read today was the one encouraging Joe Biden to pick Kamala Harris for his VP and he'd skyrocket to the White House and save us all from Bad Orange Man.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:44 PM (KZzsI)

409 Also, it seems to me that I shouldn't need to visit a Smart Military Blog for economic news.
Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at January 17, 2020 03:40 PM


If you didn't, you'd be unaware of the present ground floor opportunity in glitter.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at January 17, 2020 03:44 PM (vk+y5)

410 405 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) (I2dne) at January 17, 2020 03:39 PM (I2dne)

That's good to know. We are going to need to replace our 16 year old Chevy Cavalier soon since it has almost 200,000 miles and is getting to be less dependable.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 17, 2020 03:43 PM (uquGJ)


Subaru time??

Posted by: tubal at January 17, 2020 03:44 PM (qhmX5)

411 I want a real trade war, even if it hurts the American economy. To me, it's an investment in our future that will pay dividends.

I really don't believe a full blown protectionist stance on Chinese imports would do much of anything to the American economy, it's more just financial pundits running around with their hair on fire than any actual economic impact.

Posted by: Blago at January 17, 2020 03:44 PM (sjTfF)

412 Fed funds rate have come lower since the boom started in the 8o's. With Obama they dropped off the edge, from 5% to Zero for his whole 8 years, and $4T in QE, with debt doubling (and unfunded liabilities continued to soar).


They raised rates as soon as Trump was elected, and markets headed down in time to get Pelosi to continue the Mueller coup. But now rates reversed and negative interest rates are discussed, and more QE seems to be ongoing. MMT is next ... just print it baby ... why pay interest if we are just going to inflate to infinity anyway?

But till Trump's landslide in November ... keep it GREASY ... roaring 20's all over again. Bring out the flappers ...

Posted by: illiniwek at January 17, 2020 03:44 PM (Cus5s)

413 397 I saw it again recently as well! I think I've decided that Dennis the Peasant is my favorite character.

Over time though, I've come to think that "Life of Brian" is the best written and most hilarious of all of the Python creations, and I say that as a Christian who is very ware of how they dance on the edge of sacrilege throughout the entire film. (and I note that while they dance on the edge of it, they are quite careful to never go all the way across the line).

I think because of the subject matter, it's never been as widely shown or widely watched, but that film is the Python gang at the absolute peak of their game. To this day, I cannot think of a single more horrifically hilarious song than their rendition of "Always look on the Bright Side of Life."

btw, the unchurched might be surprised to know that no one appreciates religious humor more than those who find themselves in church faithfully.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 17, 2020 03:42 PM (trdmm)

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Dennis is great.

In a movie of anachronisms, he's probably the funniest.

And The Life of Brian is really funny, of course. Funded by the Beatles, of course.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:45 PM (q80AH)

414 Reagan defeated the existential threat of the Soviet Union. That was his main goal and mine. Young people can't appreciate what is was like growing up in the Cold War.

"Young People" think Ancient History started with the drop of the iPhone 4, and they're not taught any different by the Government-run Indoctrination Centers.

Posted by: DocJ at January 17, 2020 03:45 PM (77WPm)

415 Al Capone would have been 121 today

Posted by: SMOD at January 17, 2020 03:45 PM (3aI0K)

416 I'd say Romney was George B. McClellan, a huge ego who thought that the laws of man did not apply to him along with zero accomplishment. Or is that spelled Horseface Kerry?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at January 17, 2020 03:46 PM (+y/Ru)

417 I never cared for Buckley, found his TV persona strained and unappealing, even sometimes ridiculous.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at January 17, 2020 03:46 PM (H8QX8)

418 401 I guess I never realized what a little toad nadler was until I saw the march of the impeachment papers. with his little troll hands bearly coming out of his jacket.
Posted by: Priapism at January 17, 2020 03:42 PM (2cfUo)

=======

Maybe Schiff should loan him half of his neck. That would help both of them.

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at January 17, 2020 03:46 PM (xptlg)

419 393, From all accounts, you probably would be too if you lived with Buckley as your father. People often react to others based on their prior expectations of others. Other folks burned by Buckley pretty much indicate that he wasn't a pleasant person and that obviously affected those around him.

The whole worship of Buckley as a conservative intellectual is something that the Right needs to get beyond and his model of corporate financed salon is obsolete.

Russell Kirk, Sam Francis, hell, even Kirkpatrick and Sobran, could run and think rings around Buckley at his best.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2020 03:46 PM (EUDB2)

420 I'm gonna stick with "Lady Bits".

Posted by: wth at January 17, 2020 03:46 PM (v0R5T)

421 I would go back to the 70's in a heartbeat if I could! Back then I would have thought it completely crazy to have wondered if the US would really be better off if most major cities in the Northeast and on the West Coast were nuked.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 17, 2020 03:46 PM (trdmm)

422 General Willard Romney would charge into battle and be decimated by his own artillery.
Posted by: Fritz
---

Advance to the Rear.

Heh. Cover art for Christy Minstrels album:
https://tinyurl.com/wj9jpoe

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 17, 2020 03:46 PM (cg4r6)

423 I think because of the subject matter, it's never been as widely shown or widely watched, but that film is the Python gang at the absolute peak of their game. To this day, I cannot think of a single more horrifically hilarious song than their rendition of "Always look on the Bright Side of Life."
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Fun fact: after their ship was sunk, the crew of HMS Sheffield sang that song while waiting to be rescued.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at January 17, 2020 03:47 PM (jW9oF)

424 Christian here. " Always Look on the Bright Side of Life" whistle song at the end is hilarious. Sorry about that, Lord.

Posted by: tubal at January 17, 2020 03:47 PM (qhmX5)

425 Paltrow giggles before responding, "The vagina is only the birth canal? Oh! See, I'm getting an anatomy lesson that I didn't - I thought that the vagina was the whole.."

In her defense, apparently most people do

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:47 PM (KZzsI)

426 Predictions are difficult. Especially about the future.

Posted by: Y. Berra at January 17, 2020 03:48 PM (rQ4nK)

427
I would go back to the 70's in a heartbeat if I could! Back then I would have thought it completely crazy to have wondered if the US would really be better off if most major cities in the Northeast and on the West Coast were nuked.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 17, 2020 03:46 PM (trdmm)

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I wasn't around. But I once heard someone (I forgot who) posit that the decade 1965-1975 was "Peak Humanity."

And by my reading of history, I assess this as "CORRECT."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 17, 2020 03:48 PM (AzW6q)

428 420 I'm gonna stick with "Lady Bits".
Posted by: wth at January 17, 2020 03:46 PM (v0R5T)

Hmmm. Are those Keebler's?

Posted by: tubal at January 17, 2020 03:48 PM (qhmX5)

429 424 Christian here. " Always Look on the Bright Side of Life" whistle song at the end is hilarious. Sorry about that, Lord.
Posted by: tubal at January 17, 2020 03:47 PM (qhmX5)

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I don't know why, but whenever I try to think of the words to that song, I segue into a song from Willy Wonka.

"Life's a piece of shit, when you look at it..."

"Magical and delicious."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:48 PM (q80AH)

430 Heh, Insty has a link that Martha McSally registered LiberalHack.com. That could become a big thing!

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 17, 2020 03:48 PM (JoUsr)

431 Reagan created the economy we expect and take for granted now like it's always been this way in addition to taking down the Evil Empire.

I will agree that Trump has smoked out America's internal enemies like no one has and likely no one will again.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 17, 2020 03:48 PM (qcIWB)

432 It is Friday so time for Crazy Uncle Joe to float out another VP prospect

Posted by: Skip at January 17, 2020 03:49 PM (ZCEU2)

433 430 Heh, Insty has a link that Martha McSally registered LiberalHack.com. That could become a big thing!
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 17, 2020 03:48 PM (JoUsr)

Sounds like she may have learned a thing or two after losing to Sinema.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at January 17, 2020 03:49 PM (ayFCE)

434 I read somewhere that the Media described Reagan as " an amiable dunce".
Posted by: tubal at January 17, 2020 03:37 PM (qhmX5)


That was Clark Clifford who said that, a particularly nasty piece of shit who was never right about anything and a derp state made man.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 17, 2020 03:49 PM (y7DUB)

435 Meaning of Life is the most disjointed and meandering of the Python movies, but its got the best songs of all of them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:49 PM (KZzsI)

436 this is the long term fed funds rate from Fred


https://tinyurl.com/upoyn52

Posted by: illiniwek at January 17, 2020 03:49 PM (Cus5s)

437 Nood

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 17, 2020 03:49 PM (E6qr6)

438 >>In her defense, apparently most people do

I blame Eve Ensler and her idiotic Vagina Monologues. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at January 17, 2020 03:50 PM (bDqIh)

439 Subaru time??
Posted by: tubal at January 17, 2020 03:44 PM


Beat the rush, get your flannel shirts now!

Posted by: Sheryl Crow at January 17, 2020 03:50 PM (vk+y5)

440 That was Clark Clifford who said that, a particularly nasty piece of shit who was never right about anything and a derp state made man.
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 17, 2020 03:49 PM (y7DUB)

He was one of the first people I remember hearing "Never right, always certain" said about him.

Posted by: DocJ at January 17, 2020 03:50 PM (77WPm)

441 "protracted and economically damaging fight..."

I keep reading that sentence and asking myself WTF planet are they living on?

Protracted? I dunno, it took about 2 years. Pretty quick to me. How long did the WTO admission of China take? the TPP? NAFTA? They all took years to negotiate. Damaging? Seems like our economy roared along during the entire fight. And the agreement means we'll make up everything we lost and then some.

Posted by: Inspector Kemp at January 17, 2020 03:50 PM (+DS2f)

442 MY consumer CONFIDENCE is that Weasel diesel KRUGMAN will"what if" over to an 87 Inch Super TV with streaming Kiddie pron. Dead by Mid Summers Murder Day.


Obit " World feted Economist ,and Nobel Prizewinner
diddled kids to save them from poverty" he will be sorely missed by pedophiles everywhere"

Posted by: saf at January 17, 2020 03:50 PM (5IHGB)

443 Nood tranny.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 17, 2020 03:50 PM (a/dOO)

444 would go back to the 70's in a heartbeat if I could! Back then I would have thought it completely crazy to have wondered if the US would really be better off if most major cities in the Northeast and on the West Coast were nuked.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 17, 2020 03:46 PM (trdmm)

I think people wanted to nuke bankrupt NYC in 1976.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 17, 2020 03:51 PM (qcIWB)

445 I would go back to the 70's in a heartbeat if I could!

Nostalgia always forgets the hideous clothes, the ghastly decor, the Disco, the folk music, the godawful TV shows, the earnestly dark and pathetic movies about "REAL LIFE ON THE STREETS" and the awful economy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:51 PM (KZzsI)

446 btw, the unchurched might be surprised to know that no one appreciates religious humor more than those who find themselves in church faithfully.
Posted by: Tom Servo

The absolute most bust-a-gut jokes I've ever heard were at KofC breakfasts where Catholics (us) were the butt of the jokes.



Posted by: Tonypete at January 17, 2020 03:51 PM (Y4EXg)

447 He was one of the first people I remember hearing "Never right, always certain" said about him.
Posted by: DocJ at January 17, 2020 03:50 PM (77WPm)


Your memory is accurate.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 17, 2020 03:51 PM (y7DUB)

448 432
It is Friday so time for Crazy Uncle Joe to float out another VP prospect

float? as in made of wood? and therefore a witch?

Posted by: Anachronda at January 17, 2020 03:51 PM (sGtp+)

449 holy shit, I just looked it up. Nadler is 5'3"
He looked like a kid wearing his dad's suit
Fuckin little toad. I despise that little fat fuck

Posted by: Priapism at January 17, 2020 03:52 PM (2cfUo)

450 Sorry 1975. Fat fingers.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 17, 2020 03:52 PM (qcIWB)

451 "Cash for Clunkers" was the economic illiteracy of the Obama Reign of Error writ large.

The idea that it was better for someone to have a $300/mo car payment to save $100 per month on gasoline while turning in a car that was paid for and was cheaper to insure....

Gad, it was stupid..

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at January 17, 2020 03:52 PM (WEBkv)

452 I would go back to the 70's in a heartbeat if I could!
_________________________

The 80's and 90's were way better.

Posted by: Blago at January 17, 2020 03:52 PM (sjTfF)

453 389 I see him as the Matthew Broderick guy in Glory.

Elite society member who thinks he is irreplaceable only to be gunned down in first real life action that was otherwise a defeat.
Posted by: SH at January 17, 2020 03:37 PM (sX1BW)

Nah, Robert Shaw was a good man and had seen his share of combat before given command of the black troops.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at January 17, 2020 03:40 PM (wCmLp)

We did not lose the battle of Fort Wagner. It was a tie!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at January 17, 2020 03:52 PM (l4C/z)

454 Heh, Insty has a link that Martha McSally registered LiberalHack.com. That could become a big thing!
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 17, 2020 03:48 PM (JoUsr)


She's even selling t-shirts there

McSally For Senate @MarthaMcSally
NEW SHIRT!!

I'm in the Senate to fight for all Arizonans, not play politics and games with the liberal hacks of the left-wing media! http://www.Liberalhack.com


she didn't just double down, she quadrupled down
go girl

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 17, 2020 03:53 PM (vEIlU)

455 "Cash for Clunkers" was the economic illiteracy of the Obama Reign of Error writ large.

The idea that it was better for someone to have a $300/mo car payment to save $100 per month on gasoline while turning in a car that was paid for and was cheaper to insure....

Gad, it was stupid..
Posted by: blake

__________

being a car enthusiast, I never felt Obama got enough blowback for such a stupid policy.

It would be like burning down houses to help the real estate market.

Posted by: Blago at January 17, 2020 03:53 PM (sjTfF)

456 would go back to the 70's in a heartbeat if I could!

Nostalgia always forgets the hideous clothes, the ghastly decor, the Disco, the folk music, the godawful TV shows, the earnestly dark and pathetic movies about "REAL LIFE ON THE STREETS" and the awful economy.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 17, 2020 03:51 PM (KZzsI)

The Golden Age is alway the one you're not living in.

The theme of the interesting movie Midnight in Paris.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 17, 2020 03:53 PM (qcIWB)

457 Fun fact: after their ship was sunk, the crew of HMS Sheffield sang that song while waiting to be rescued.
Posted by: Captain Obvious at January 17, 2020 03:47 PM (jW9oF)

LOL, I never knew that story!

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 17, 2020 03:53 PM (trdmm)

458 LOL the t-shirt says

You're a liberal hack, buddy

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 17, 2020 03:53 PM (vEIlU)

459 393, Christopher, BTW, what you did is a classic ad-hominem fallacy--you attacked the source--Chris Buckley rather than what Chris said--that his father was an unpleasant control freak. If only Christopher Buckley said it, then it might simply have been a failure to get along but others have more or less confirmed the account.

Buckley left not much as a political legacy other than running a literary salon for acceptable conservative thought. His example is why we have the phenomenon of NeverTrumpers to begin with.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2020 03:54 PM (EUDB2)

460 Nood trannies. And you thought the art thread was bad.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 17, 2020 03:55 PM (dNzKv)

461 holy shit, I just looked it up. Nadler is 5'3"
He looked like a kid wearing his dad's suit
Fuckin little toad. I despise that little fat fuck
Posted by: Priapism at January 17, 2020 03:52 PM (2cfUo)


He used to be a Macy's Day blimp, but someone stuck a pin in it

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 17, 2020 03:55 PM (vEIlU)

462 I've been watching a number of Russian WW2 movies on the tube of you, and I gotta say they do a wonderful job of killing fascists and Nazis while being friends to all Poles and Czechs. They are especially kind and merciful to wounded combatants, animals at the Berlin zoo, and are staunch protectors of vulnerable Berliners of child bearing years.
I'm kinda liking these guys.

-
I've been watching Attack! on Prime, a series about a colonel leading a regiment of Yak-3s getting ready for Operation Bagration. Our hero was celebrating his promotion with his drunken friend who insists on driving. He hits a truck causing a bust of Stalin to bust. He's incarcerated and on his way to the camps before his lady friend bribes a big commie by banging his brains out in exchange for our hero's release.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at January 17, 2020 03:55 PM (+y/Ru)

463 The Golden Age is alway the one you're not living in.

The theme of the interesting movie Midnight in Paris.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 17, 2020 03:53 PM (qcIWB)

That was a good movie, with a thoughtful theme. Still I agree with YD - for a kid, the 70's was absolutely the best time of all to be alive. I look at kid's today and am sad for them, they have no idea of the things they've lost.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 17, 2020 03:55 PM (trdmm)

464 Essentially, Buckley helped create the whole CONservatism Inc. that
pollutes the Right's few media and intellectual outlets today. The
whole role of gatekeepers for "acceptable conservatism" instead of frank
talk from the right's paltry media and intellectual establishment has
led the Republican party (until Trump) into a cul de sac of corporate
worship at the expense of the nation.

--------
The donors [*] to Heritage, AEI, and other organizations made modern Conservatism, Inc. Buckley added some public exposureand flair to a few core ideas the "foundations" latched onto in their first two decades.
* the approx. 3 dozen (the number is fairly consistent at any given time though the names occasionally change) main donors to Conservatism, Inc over the first two of the past five decades.

Posted by: Undocumented at January 17, 2020 03:56 PM (5NMZN)

465 Meade?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 17, 2020 03:33 PM (q80AH)

this is jmo and others probably know more. But Meade gets a bad rap. He probably could not have won that war but he didn't do a lot of stupid things either. Even at the end, at Appomatax, Meade was still technically the head of the Army of the Potomac.

Another thing about Meade is he hated the press and was really hard on them. he basically called them fake news. They conspired against him and decided to never include his name when the AOP had victories. They only gave credit to Grant. But to be clear, Meade was no Grant. But he was a good General imo.

Posted by: Quint at January 17, 2020 03:56 PM (n13/j)

466 I always heard it as 'Always wrong but never in doubt.'

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 17, 2020 04:05 PM (/DX2n)

467 Ace, it needs to be said and said often: you are on a freaking roll today.
I've laughed out loud at least 10 times today reading your stuff.

Posted by: Forheremenaremen at January 17, 2020 04:08 PM (betRQ)

468 God bless Senior Chief Kent, I have no other words.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at January 17, 2020 04:09 PM (0OmEj)

469 Highest level of the millennium

Posted by: Tmitsss at January 17, 2020 04:10 PM (pWWHO)

470 464, Undocumented, you have undoubtedly done the research on donors which would be really useful for you to post sometimes.

AEI has been around since the Great Depression as a defensive measure from Roosevelt's turn toward more radical economics in his 2nd term and Heritage really did not get started until far later in the 1970's. Interesting that the donors picked Buckley as a frontman in the 1950's.

Posted by: whig at January 17, 2020 04:21 PM (EUDB2)

471 79 Turkeyland Cove Rd, Edgartown, MA 02539

Look up Former Preezy's new digs. I'd say they are doing better than ever.

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at January 17, 2020 04:31 PM (bElDL)

472 465 "Another thing about Meade is he hated the press and was really hard on
them. he basically called them fake news. They conspired against him and
decided to never include his name when the AOP had victories. They only
gave credit to Grant. But to be clear, Meade was no Grant. But he was a
good General imo."

Meade had a reporter drummed out of camp on a mule with a sign saying "Libeler of the Press" hung around his neck.

Posted by: andrew at January 17, 2020 04:36 PM (kPsJr)

473 Noah Berlatsky and the editor who endorse this push for violence against innocents deserves a violent end for promoting that against others. Hopefully they get it sooner rather than later.

Posted by: Johnny Biface at January 17, 2020 06:08 PM (v7uSj)

474 When the Auto industry bailout happened, (and yes Ford was bailed out. They did 25 billion in commercial paper refinancing at the fed discount window) my thoughts were...it is 29 years too late.

Japan, Germany, South Korea, then the EU and China spent trillions on weakening their currency in the fx market, had vertically integrated supply chains that could not be duplicated here (antitrust regs) and of course huge tariffs, all to protect the home market.

And what did Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama do... entered free trade agreements that devastated 10s of millions of American workers. Autos, Auto suppliers, steel, consumer electronics, and several other industries were gutted.

We all joke about France. Yet they see the 400,000 employees of PSA and Renault as having 400,000 families that depend on them. Not as disposable pawns. Strict limits on imported cars. You're not a French OEM and you want to build a factory here? Fuck off. Economic nationalism 101.

The worm has finally turned on the fusion of Reagan-Thatcher libertarianism and the Clinton- Blair "3rd way."

Trump 2020.

Posted by: Jason at January 17, 2020 06:09 PM (blG2/)

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topic. I needs to spend some time learning much
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