Saturday Evening Movie Thread 01-11-2020 [Hosted By: TheJamesMadison]

Kubrick, Hitchcock, and Bergman

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What do Alfred Hitchcock, Ingmar Bergman, and Stanley Kubrick all have in common? They're all considered some of the greatest filmmakers to have ever lived. In addition, though, they have another curious connection in that all three have first films that are terrible.

The Paradise Garden, Crisis, and Fear and Desire all show signs of the future masters' talents, visual styles, and thematic obsessions, but they're rough at the absolute best. Without the later context, the movies on their own are rather joyless slogs and not really deserving of attention. However, the later context does exist. That doesn't make these films good by any stretch of the imagination, but it does make them interesting vessels through which to watch great artists take their first creative steps.


In the Beginning

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Both Hitchcock and Bergman started in similar places. They were both products of studio systems at different times. Hitchcock came up in the British studio system during the silent era while Bergman came up in the post war Swedish studio system. Hitchcock was one of a handful of trailblazers, figuring out the new medium as it was first forming. Bergman was from the next generation with a mentor who was of Hitchcock's generation. Both were given assignments by the studios in their early days. Hitchcock worked into his director's job from title card designer, and Bergman started as a writer before he was commissioned to do his first picture.

Kubrick, on the other hand, went the independent route. He was in his twenties and decided to make a movie. He worked as a photographer for Look magazine. He raised the money for the money from his family and friends, and went out to the New York countryside where he made his movie with a cast of just a handful.

The three represent a cross section of how to start in the movie business, and, unfortunately, not everyone can start as well as Orson Welles.

The Pleasure Garden


Hitchcock's first film is a curious little piece about a small town girl who moves to the big city and becomes an instant dance sensation. Except that, despite her dominating the first twenty minutes of the film, she's not the main character and ends up falling off the film for long stretches. The main character is the girl who brings her to the theater for the first time and gets cozy with the girl's fiancé after the girl promises herself to a prince.

It's not the most interesting movie, and it's mostly rather dull with flat camera placements like Hitchcock was filming a play (a common way to shoot scenes in the silent era).

However, that's not all there is to a movie. We can see the beginnings of what Hitchcock would become in later sequences, in particular, with its final sustained bit. The unfamous girl gets married to a buddy of the big dancer's fiancé, and both of the men work for a company that sends them to a tropical location for work. The husband is a cad and delays his bringing of his wife to meet him, but he's really just hanging out with a local girl the whole time. He writes his wife a letter saying that he's sick and, being a dutiful wife, she goes to be with her husband only to discover the truth.

We end up with a scene where the wife and the fiancé are trying to fight off the husband. It's a solid piece of tension based filmmaking that points to the sort of thing that Hitchcock would later become really well known for. And it's hidden in his very first movie that he took as an assignment from the studio.


Crisis

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Ingmar Bergman's first film as director came together a bit differently than Hitchcock's. It was a studio assignment, but Bergman was also tasked with writing the film, and he had Victor Sjostrom, his mentor and the great silent Swedish filmmaker (director of The Phantom Carriage), at his side helping him.

Crisis is about a girl raised by a woman who is not her mother when her real mother comes to the small Swedish town to take her away to the big city. The woman has cancer and won't tell the girl. The girl falls for the young swindler that hangs around her mother. It's very maudlin, melodramatic stuff because it's explicitly a melodrama.

However, when viewed in the context of Bergman's entire body of work, interesting things come out. There's his focus on women. You can easily see some of his visual tics coming out (obviously an influence from Sjostrom) like having two faces in frame, each looking in different directions without eye contact, and they speak to each other.

It's a bit of a slog, but there are hints of the director Bergman was to become.


Fear and Desire


And we come to it at last, the worst movie of the three. Kubrick disowned this movie (along with two others, Killer's Kiss and Spartacus) when discussing his own canon, and it's exceedingly easy to see why.

The story of a handful of soldiers who end up behind enemy lines and need to find their way back is meandering, pretentious, and nonsensical. And yet, I say this as a Kubrick fan, it still feels much like a Kubrick film. Performances fit in with performances given by other actors in his films. Visually, it carries a similar aesthetic as the rest as well. It's just a bad application of his talent. It's visually fairly solid, but narratively, it's a mess.

The greatest sin is, I think, when the rest of the soldiers leave the girl prisoner with the most obviously mentally unbalanced one who pretends to eat from a pretend spoon as soon as he's alone with her before letting her go. Combine that will all the ruminations about war that feel like they were written by a 26 year old intellectual with no actual experience in war (which permeates the film), and you've got a frustrating experience.

If I had been a movie money man and this New York kid named Kubrick came up to me with Fear and Desire as proof that he could make a movie with my money, I'd tell him to get out of my office and become a dentist.


In Context

To a casual moviegoer, I wouldn't recommend a single one of the above movies. To fans of any of the three, though, I would heartily recommend them.

Why would I recommend such faulty films?

I think to understand a filmmaker you have to see them at the height of their powers as well as the nadir. You have to appreciate their skill even when it doesn't congeal into a cohesive product.

I call all three of the above films interesting almost solely because of their places in their directors' filmographies, not because of any real strengths on their own. If Hitchcock, Bergman, and Kubrick had never gone on to make another film, these wouldn't be worth talking about.

So, for those of you more casual movie watchers, I apologize, but I watched all three of these relatively recently for different reasons, and the thoughts just came to me.

For those a bit more into deeper dives of filmmaker filmographies, two of the three are actually in the public domain and available to watch for free. I've included links to both under the appropriate titles.

If you're a big Kubrick fan and haven't seen Fear and Desire, I think you should watch it, just to see Kubrick as he was in the beginning.


Movies of Today

Opening in Theaters:
1917
Just Mercy
Like a Boss

Next in my Netflix Queue:
Bedknobs and Broomsticks

Movies I Saw This Fortnight:
Excablibur (Netflix Rating 4/5 | Quality Rating 3/4) Full Review "Overall, though, the film is really quite an experience. Divorced from reality and existing in its own fantasy realm, it creates its own rules of behavior and sticks to them." [Personal Collection]
Contagion (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 4/4) Full Review "It's a thriller on a global scale. What it sets out to do, it does extremely well. I think it's one of the most effective thrillers in decades." [Personal Collection]
Schindler's List (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 4/4) Full Review "Spielberg made it because he felt like a Holocaust movie needed to be made, and he used every bit of his talent to pull it off. This is a great, great film." [Personal Collection]
The Wizard of Oz (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 4/4) Full Review "It's a wonderful childlike adventure that brings out innocent wonder from its audience, using timeless songs, fantastic set design, and marvelous casting to tell the tale." [Personal Collection]
Marriage Story (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 3.5/4) Full Review "The portrait is incredibly compelling and a wonderful look into an ugly process that never seems to have a winner." [Netflix Instant]
Toy Story 4 (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 4/4) Full Review "From beginning to end, the film is thematically rich, entertaining, and a joy to watch. This is one of Pixar's best films." [Personal Collection]
Knives Out (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 3.5/4) Full Review "Ultimately, I found it entertaining but a bit thin. There is an idea about heritage and inheritance that runs through the film, but it seems small compared to the movements back and forth with the plot." [Theater]
Goldfinger (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 4/4) Full Review "It's the complete package of a Bond film. Connery at his height. An actual mystery. Great action. A compelling antagonist. One of the best Bond girls. It's the best Bond film so far at this point in the early 60s." [Personal Collection]


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Comments

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1 top 10?

Posted by: JC. Idaho bot. at January 11, 2020 08:06 PM (377Zs)

2 2nd

Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2020 08:06 PM (ZCEU2)

3 Movie si-i-i-ign!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 11, 2020 08:06 PM (Dc2NZ)

4 1 top 10?
Posted by: JC. Idaho bot. at January 11, 2020 08:06 PM (377Zs)

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Barely. By the skin of your teeth.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 08:06 PM (zZbCU)

5 that's what happens when you hang around here too often

Posted by: JC. Idaho bot. at January 11, 2020 08:07 PM (377Zs)

6 Kubrick, Hitchcock, and Bergman walk into a bar...

Posted by: Dirty Frank at January 11, 2020 08:07 PM (bR+UX)

7 5 that's what happens when you hang around here too often
Posted by: JC. Idaho bot. at January 11, 2020 08:07 PM (377Zs)

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I have no idea what that feels like.

Nope. Not at all.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 08:07 PM (zZbCU)

8 i'm calling...

Posted by: JC. Idaho bot. at January 11, 2020 08:07 PM (377Zs)

9 Evenin', Horde!

Just dropping in to say hi and bye, as I just discovered that Tremors is on Netflix, so that's my evening (at least for the next hour and a half)

Posted by: No One of Consequence at January 11, 2020 08:08 PM (CAJOC)

10 the plan from New Years day was to go see 1917 this week or next. A few reviews on the miniature forum are liking it.

Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2020 08:08 PM (ZCEU2)

11 I don't wanna go to Sunset Strip
I don't wanna feel the emptiness
Bold marquees with stupid band names
I don't wanna go to Sunset Strip

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 11, 2020 08:08 PM (XjTyq)

12 Movies I Saw This Fortnight:
Excablibur


I doubt that.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 11, 2020 08:09 PM (UdCe2)

13 Knives Out (Netflix Rating 5/5 | Quality Rating 3.5/4)

Rian is a Knut.

The sooner he chokes out, the soon our world gets better.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 11, 2020 08:09 PM (UdCe2)

14 Excalibur. I keep coming back to it. It seems to get better with time. To my eye.

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 08:10 PM (zr5Kq)

15 Per Hogmartin’s suggestion, watching the WWII story “Into the White”, about German and British pilots shot down over Norway who must work together to survive the cold. (No, it’s not that kind of flick). It stars Florian Lukas, two other Krauts, a Brit, and that ginger kid from Harry Potter.

It’s good, but a little too by-the-numbers. If dudes had a Hallmark Channel, this would be a meet-cute t.v. flick where the gal (the British) and the guy (the Germans) have spats until they realize they’re made for each other.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 11, 2020 08:10 PM (Dc2NZ)

16 anybody here read the "Sharpe" books? I'd like to see the movie version of "Sharpe's Trafalgar"


recently saw "Ford V Ferrari" - very good. Christian Bale is amazing.

Posted by: DB at January 11, 2020 08:11 PM (iTXRQ)

17 14 Excalibur. I keep coming back to it. It seems to get better with time. To my eye.
Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 08:10 PM (zr5Kq)

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It starts by distancing itself from reality in a big way, and that's something that a lot of people have trouble with. It's jarring, the disconnect. We're used to looking for subtlety from movies, and Excalibur is in your face big about everything.

That can take some getting used to.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 08:11 PM (zZbCU)

18 Is Kubrick the most overrated director of all time?

I can't think of who else it would be. The movies people rave about are at best, just ok. His films seem to have memorable moments, but when taken as a whole, they strike me as empty, pretentious, and rather weak in plotting.

Honestly, I don't get what the fuss is all about.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 11, 2020 08:11 PM (hku12)

19 Just dropping in to say hi and bye, as I just discovered that Tremors is on Netflix, so that's my evening (at least for the next hour and a half)
Posted by: No One of Consequence at January 11, 2020 08:08 PM (CAJOC)
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Tremors is like Galaxy Quest, a parody of the genre that actually becomes a great representation of that genre.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 11, 2020 08:12 PM (Dc2NZ)

20 It makes sense that these directors' first films would be rough, but show glimmers of what is to come.

Out of forms of entertainment, I obsess over music (and I am in mourning over Neil Peart), and I look at those gentlemen's first films as something like the Dream Theater album When Dream and Day Unite. It is far from their best work, but I enjoy it, for all the elements of what Dream Theater was to become are all right there. You can forgive their youthfulness and the thin production in the album because of that. The same with these directors. Kubrick is the one I can most relate to. There aren't a lot of Hitchcock movies that I like, Bergman is practically unknown to me.) But its the same way. You can see glimmers of the direction each of these directors were going to take and what would eventually make them great.

I don't think it is terribly common in the world of artistry, regardless of form, to be great right out the gate. They, as we all are, are works in progress. Still, I can see why seeing these first films would be enjoyable, if only because you can get as sense of where they were going. You get the feeling that they were starting out on a great journey.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 11, 2020 08:13 PM (9h5Mu)

21 Kubrick, Hitchcock, and Bergman walk into a bar...
Posted by: Dirty Frank at January 11, 2020 08:07 PM (bR+UX)


And the bartender says: "Is this some kind of a joke ?"

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 08:13 PM (zr5Kq)

22 I saw an exhibit of Kubricks early photos, mostly for Look. The boy could frame a shot

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 11, 2020 08:13 PM (YsmbU)

23 Is Kubrick the most overrated director of all time?




Absolutely not.

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 08:13 PM (zr5Kq)

24 What do Alfred Hitchcock, Ingmar Bergman, and Stanley Kubrick all have in common?
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Evil, white, males whose collective works and histories must be erased forever, comrades!


Now, off to read the rest of the content ... thanks, TJM.

Posted by: ShainS -- Make the 20's Roar Again! at January 11, 2020 08:13 PM (WqPYg)

25 The most overrated is Spielberg.

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 08:14 PM (zr5Kq)

26 Of the four Toy Story movies, I think this one might be the best. They took a rather simple concept from the first film, and actually make it possible to root for the characters, when the two prior sequels were incapable of doing that, even though that seemed to be the point.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 11, 2020 08:14 PM (hku12)

27 The first true Kubrick film was The Killing.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at January 11, 2020 08:15 PM (I99aF)

28 20 I don't think it is terribly common in the world of artistry, regardless of form, to be great right out the gate. They, as we all are, are works in progress. Still, I can see why seeing these first films would be enjoyable, if only because you can get as sense of where they were going. You get the feeling that they were starting out on a great journey.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 11, 2020 08:13 PM (9h5Mu)

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It's not, but then you get the people like Tarantino and Welles who get huge artistic successes out of the gate, as a contrast.

And people, or at least I, build up these directors to such a degree in my head that they become more than human. They stand above the rest as gods, and then to see that they had to start with figuring things out just like anyone else casts them in new lights. They're not titans of the art anymore, but dedicated men who worked hard to get where they ended up.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 08:15 PM (zZbCU)

29 It starts by distancing itself from reality in a big way, and that's something that a lot of people have trouble with. It's jarring, the disconnect. We're used to looking for subtlety from movies, and Excalibur is in your face big about everything.

That can take some getting used to.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 08:11 PM (zZbCU)


It follows Le Morte d'Arthur pretty well. What do you mean by distancing from reality ?

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 08:16 PM (zr5Kq)

30 yay movie thread!

Posted by: vmom 2020 at January 11, 2020 08:16 PM (G546f)

31 Went through DFW the other day to fly out to reach my eventual destination in OH. I saw in a store that they had a bunch of kids' Star Wars t-shirts featuring Part IX that were already on sale, 50% off. I'd say that's a sign of how the movie is being received.

I've yet to see it - and I may not. The movie I really want to see is 1917.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 11, 2020 08:16 PM (9h5Mu)

32 I needed to see this again, so you have to too.

Epic Rap battles of History: Spielberg v. Hitchcock:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wYtG7aQTHA

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 11, 2020 08:16 PM (Dc2NZ)

33 27 The first true Kubrick film was The Killing.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at January 11, 2020 08:15 PM (I99aF)

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According to Kubrick's canon.

Not according to actual fact.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 08:16 PM (zZbCU)

34 Sharpe's Trafalgar should be my next book in the series

Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2020 08:16 PM (ZCEU2)

35 Have to admit I love the trailer to Like a Boss. May be a good comedy chick flick. Not too many of those.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 08:17 PM (2DOZq)

36 21 Kubrick, Hitchcock, and Bergman walk into a bar...
Posted by: Dirty Frank at January 11, 2020 08:07 PM (bR+UX)


And the bartender say, "I've already seen this one."

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Austere Religious Scholar at January 11, 2020 08:17 PM (TVVeW)

37 @18
Kubricks one of the best. Hitchcock too. Top 5 both

Kubricks never made the same movie twice. Hitchcock literally did twice IIRC

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 11, 2020 08:17 PM (YsmbU)

38 29 It starts by distancing itself from reality in a big way, and that's something that a lot of people have trouble with. It's jarring, the disconnect. We're used to looking for subtlety from movies, and Excalibur is in your face big about everything.

That can take some getting used to.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 08:11 PM (zZbCU)


It follows Le Morte d'Arthur pretty well. What do you mean by distancing from reality ?
Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 08:16 PM (zr5Kq)

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The emotions are big.

Men walk everywhere in full suits of armor all the time.

Sets are huge and impractical.

It's a hyper-reality that doesn't fit with what we see in day to day life. It's formalism, to use an academic term, and a lot of people reject formalism out of hand.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 08:17 PM (zZbCU)

39 25 The most overrated is Spielberg.
Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 08:14 PM (zr5Kq)


( *cough* )Tarantino( *cough* )

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader, Pants Monitor & Austere Religious Scholar at January 11, 2020 08:18 PM (TVVeW)

40 32 I needed to see this again, so you have to too.

Epic Rap battles of History: Spielberg v. Hitchcock:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wYtG7aQTHA
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 11, 2020 08:16 PM (Dc2NZ)

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That's a good one.

I love Kubrick's entrance on that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 08:18 PM (zZbCU)

41 Shaun of the Dead is both a parody of zombie horror films and a legitimately good one in its own right.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at January 11, 2020 08:19 PM (I99aF)

42 The most overrated is Spielberg.
Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 08:14 PM (zr5Kq)


Nah. He's got some duds on his resume for sure, but also some of the best films from a variety of genres, he's versatile, has taken chances, and single-handedly changed the movie business (for better or worse).

Posted by: BurtTC at January 11, 2020 08:19 PM (hku12)

43 Early Kubrick was tight as a drum. Neither The Killing nor Paths of Glory have a wasted second

Christopher Nolan is a Kubrick fanboi. He used the exact same masks from The Killing for the Joker and his crew in that opening bank robbery

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 11, 2020 08:20 PM (YsmbU)

44 I've been on a Burt Lancaster binge via the Criterion Channel.

Brute Force, a prison flick, is fascinating, esp. with Hume Cronyn as the incredibly creepy Capt. Munsey.

The film is not feminist friendly. Through a series of flashbacks, it shows greedy, scheming women being the motive force that sent these men to jail.


Posted by: lizabth at January 11, 2020 08:21 PM (L3Rsz)

45 An overrated director?

Hitchcock.

Yeah, I liked Psycho like anyone else, but lots of people heap praise on North By Northwest, which I thought was bloody awful. He has some good films and can and does knock it out of the park, but I'm not going to call him the greatest of all time.

In my book, Hitchcock is a GOOD director, but not a GREAT director.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 11, 2020 08:22 PM (9h5Mu)

46 recently saw "Ford V Ferrari" - very good. Christian Bale is amazing.
Posted by: DB at January 11, 2020 08:11 PM (iTXRQ)


Same here. We watched it last night.

Good movie.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 11, 2020 08:23 PM (vEIlU)

47 I can't watch WW I films. The hard headed stupidity of the generals fighting the war is too much for me. Sgt York and Paths of Glory are the only two since they either didn't show it or showed how stupid it was.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 08:23 PM (2DOZq)

48 Why did Kubrick disown Spartacus? It's one of the great films. It's one of a handful of really long films that don't feel long at all.

It couldn't have been because of Corey Booker, could it?

I watched the American remake of "The Ring" and it was okay. The ending puzzled me a bit, but what really kind of sank it was the horse on the ship. I love animals, and I approach dogs and cats because I'd love to pet them. If they reacted with fear or hostility, though, I STEP BACK. I mean, I get it, the director wanted his big horse scene, but it was so forced it lost any power it might have had.

I also re-watched "The Void." That's a really good creature feature, highly recommended. But not for the squeamish.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 11, 2020 08:23 PM (l9m7l)

49 Only thing with a new Sharpe movie is reading the books could only picture Sean Bean as him and he is way to old now.

Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2020 08:24 PM (ZCEU2)

50 Rusty Nail @ 41, Mrs. E watched Shaun Of The Dead and liked it, even though she stopped The Walking Dead 2 years ago.

Posted by: Eromero at January 11, 2020 08:24 PM (UUkQp)

51 I've been on a Burt Lancaster binge via the Criterion Channel.

Brute Force, a prison flick, is fascinating, esp. with Hume Cronyn as the incredibly creepy Capt. Munsey.

The film is not feminist friendly. Through a series of flashbacks, it shows greedy, scheming women being the motive force that sent these men to jail.


Posted by: lizabth
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Have you made it to 'The Train' yet. One of my favorites, on account of the cinematography.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 11, 2020 08:24 PM (CDGwz)

52 Kubrick got hired by Kirk Douglas for Spartacus when the first hire got fired. He didn't have near the total control he liked

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 11, 2020 08:25 PM (YsmbU)

53 48 Why did Kubrick disown Spartacus? It's one of the great films. It's one of a handful of really long films that don't feel long at all.

It couldn't have been because of Corey Booker, could it?

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 11, 2020 08:23 PM (l9m7l)

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It's an authorship thing.

He was brought in as a replacement a week into shooting (after Kirk Douglas and Anthony Mann got into a fight, apparently). He had no say in the script or most of the casting (he got to cast the lead girl, that was it). He couldn't make any changes to anything.

You know the famous "I am Spartacus!" scene?

He hated it. He told Douglas on set that he thought it was a dumb scene, and Douglas (also Producer, so Kubrick's boss) berated him for it in front of everyone.

It's mostly a Douglas Trumbo script chosen by Douglas to be a star vehicle with Kubrick just placing the camera.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 08:26 PM (zZbCU)

54 The most overrated is Spielberg.
Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 08:14 PM (zr5Kq0



Watched 'War of the Worlds' redux again last night. Goofy.

Posted by: JC. Idaho bot. at January 11, 2020 08:26 PM (377Zs)

55 Mike..oh yes...the Train has actually been my favorite so far!

Posted by: lizabth at January 11, 2020 08:26 PM (L3Rsz)

56 47 I can't watch WW I films. The hard headed stupidity of the generals fighting the war is too much for me. Sgt York and Paths of Glory are the only two since they either didn't show it or showed how stupid it was.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 08:23 PM (2DOZq)

I've said it before on past movie threads: easily one of the most depressing movies I have seen is All Quiet On The Western Front (the version from 1979-1980 time frame). I expect 1917 to be something similar, because it is WWI we are talking about.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 11, 2020 08:26 PM (9h5Mu)

57 Excalibur is about beginnings of what is now England, about death of its pagan past and rise of christianity. It is a myth and like Greek myths, like the sacking of Troy, grounded in real events. Is it real life, is it a fantasy ? We never see a dragon. Merlin creates magic, but we only see its results -Igraine, in a dream state takes Uther for her husband.

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 08:26 PM (zr5Kq)

58 >Only thing with a new Sharpe movie is reading the books could only picture Sean Bean as him and he is way to old now.

yeah, but I'd love to see a modern big screen depiction of the Battle of Trafalgar

ships of the line blasting away at close range

Posted by: DB at January 11, 2020 08:26 PM (iTXRQ)

59 55 Mike..oh yes...the Train has actually been my favorite so far!
Posted by: lizabth at January 11, 2020 08:26 PM (L3Rsz)

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That movie's great.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 08:27 PM (zZbCU)

60 Kubrick was a hack, Bergman boring, and Hitchcock should have stuck to TV.

Posted by: a rutabaga, movie critic, and foreign policy expert at January 11, 2020 08:28 PM (Tnijr)

61 I love Excalibur - have seen it maybe 50 times - don't know why I love it but I do.

Posted by: rammajamma at January 11, 2020 08:28 PM (SwWMX)

62 Tony Curtis in Spartacus makes it almost a comedy.

' I'm a singer of songs ' in his NYC accent.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 08:29 PM (2DOZq)

63 61 I love Excalibur - have seen it maybe 50 times - don't know why I love it but I do.
Posted by: rammajamma at January 11, 2020 08:28 PM (SwWMX)

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It's Zach Snyder's favorite film, apparently.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 08:29 PM (zZbCU)

64 Why did Kubrick disown Spartacus? It's one of the great films. It's one of a handful of really long films that don't feel long at all.

I agree that it is one of the great 1950s-early '60s Roman Epics; I disagree that it is a Kubrick film. I was literally surprised when I found out that Kubrick had directed it. I would have believed Joseph "Cleopatra" Mankiewicz.

Other people have commented that it was a Trumbo / Douglas film, and Kubrick just worked there. That explains a lot.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 11, 2020 08:29 PM (ykYG2)

65 Mike..oh yes...the Train has actually been my favorite so far!
Posted by: lizabth at January 11, 2020 08:26 PM (L3Rsz)

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That movie's great.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Several one-time shots. No way to redo them. No CGI. And, Lancaster doing all of his own stunts, even while injured.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 11, 2020 08:30 PM (xSo9G)

66 overrated

Posted by: That irredeemable guy who always says overrated... at January 11, 2020 08:30 PM (EgshT)

67 The director did not overwhelm with special effects. There were none really that I can think of.

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 08:31 PM (zr5Kq)

68 Blah blah blah, John Ford, John Wayne. Magic.

Posted by: Nobody at January 11, 2020 08:31 PM (8zK8n)

69

I like those... hehe, you know... films... hehe... from the 80's... hehe, all big hair and... hehe... you know...

Posted by: Dirty Frank at January 11, 2020 08:31 PM (bR+UX)

70 I actually used the Merlin line, "it's not for you Uther, hearth and home, wife and child" this evening. I'm weird, sorry.

Posted by: rammajamma at January 11, 2020 08:31 PM (SwWMX)

71 I take it the premise of 1917 is two soldiers are taking orders to stop a attack and there mission is at first is supposed to be a easy but its not.

Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2020 08:32 PM (ZCEU2)

72 best train movie is "Emperor Of The North"

Lee Marvin v Ernest Borgnine

A#1 to Portland

Posted by: DB at January 11, 2020 08:32 PM (iTXRQ)

73 ''He was brought in as a replacement a week into shooting (after Kirk Douglas and Anthony Mann got into a fight, apparently). He had no say in the script or most of the casting (he got to cast the lead girl, that was it). He couldn't make any changes to anything. ''

He made a good choice with Jean Simmons. She was lovely.

Posted by: Tuna at January 11, 2020 08:32 PM (RueoN)

74 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 08:26 PM (zZbC

It is one of the most famous scenes in cinema history so Kubrick's intuition wasn't too good on that one.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 08:32 PM (2DOZq)

75 Bronx accent, not NYC. They were more distinctive back then.

Mel Blanc created Bugs Bunny's voice by crossing a Bronx accent with a Brooklyn accent. A diamond with a pearl

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 11, 2020 08:32 PM (YsmbU)

76 I actually used the Merlin line, "it's not for you Uther, hearth and home, wife and child" this evening. I'm weird, sorry.

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OK....

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 08:33 PM (zr5Kq)

77 I saw 1917 on Thursday and loved it. It's a journey through Mordor. I'm pretty sure the director and cinematographer used Jackson's shots as a template (with a touch of Apocalypto). I mentioned at the time that Tolkien drew on his experience at the Somme to depict the horrors of the Dead Marshes and Emyn Muil.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 11, 2020 08:33 PM (ykYG2)

78 Bronx accent, not NYC. They were more distinctive back then.

Mel Blanc created Bugs Bunny's voice by crossing a Bronx accent with a Brooklyn accent. A diamond with a pearl
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 11, 2020 08:32 PM (YsmbU

I thought he was born and raised in Manhattan.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 08:34 PM (2DOZq)

79 I think The Swimmer is a good character study.

Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2020 08:34 PM (ZCEU2)

80 You know the famous "I am Spartacus!" scene?

He hated it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 08:26 PM (zZbCU)


Only thing I liked about it. The rest is turgid melodrama.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 11, 2020 08:34 PM (hku12)

81 a Bronx accent with a Brooklyn accent

There's a difference?

Who knew.

Posted by: Dirty Frank at January 11, 2020 08:34 PM (bR+UX)

82 Lancaster was magnificent in that film...acting, action, everything. Scofield was no slouch either. Every thing about it was excellent.

Posted by: lizabth at January 11, 2020 08:34 PM (L3Rsz)

83 I've mentioned before, but since it was explicitly mentioned in the post- my great uncle won the academy award for cinematography working for SK on Spartacus.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at January 11, 2020 08:35 PM (87EdW)

84 "I agree that it is one of the great 1950s-early '60s Roman Epics; I disagree that it is a Kubrick film"

- Kind of like how The Shining is a great Kubrick film but not a Stephen King film.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 11, 2020 08:35 PM (ykYG2)

85 83 I've mentioned before, but since it was explicitly mentioned in the post- my great uncle won the academy award for cinematography working for SK on Spartacus.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at January 11, 2020 08:35 PM (87EdW)

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Noice.

The Oscar still in the family? With a cousin or something?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 08:35 PM (zZbCU)

86 ( *cough* )Tarantino( *cough* )


We're not friends anymore.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 11, 2020 08:35 PM (gd9RK)

87 ''I've mentioned before, but since it was explicitly mentioned in the post- my great uncle won the academy award for cinematography working for SK on Spartacus.''

Wow! Tell us more.

Posted by: Tuna at January 11, 2020 08:36 PM (RueoN)

88 A recurring theme for Kubrick is what makes us human, as distinct from he rest of the material and animal world

It starts with the coda in Paths of Glory. HAL is more human than the astronauts. And of course Alec in Clockwork Orange. Etc

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 11, 2020 08:36 PM (YsmbU)

89 I'm trying to decide if I want to watch The Swimmer. Apparently it was Lancaster's favorite, of his work. I suppose I will watch it.

Posted by: lizabth at January 11, 2020 08:37 PM (L3Rsz)

90 I've mentioned before, but since it was explicitly
mentioned in the post- my great uncle won the academy award for
cinematography working for SK on Spartacus.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at January 11, 2020 08:35 PM (87EdW)

That doesn't impress me.

Posted by: S Twain at January 11, 2020 08:37 PM (/LQkF)

91 a Bronx accent with a Brooklyn accent

There's a difference?

Who knew.
Posted by: Dirty Frank at January 11, 2020 08:34 PM (bR+UX)


Apparently the same people who can tell the difference between a New York bagel and a bagel anywhere else in the world.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 11, 2020 08:37 PM (hku12)

92 I liked The Vikings better than Spartacus. Kirk must have liked Tony Curtis.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 08:37 PM (2DOZq)

93
My Lord, this what Meggie "Yoko" Sparkles has reduced Harry to:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7876753

Begging Disney honcho Bob Iger for a job for Meggie.

Sad.

Posted by: Peter North at January 11, 2020 08:37 PM (f1Vqw)

94 Watched Once Upon a Time in Hollywood last week. Classic Tarantino. Camera shots from the backseat and cars. Soo many cars...

Posted by: JC. Idaho bot. at January 11, 2020 08:38 PM (377Zs)

95 Hey look, the Brits are irreverent and the Germans like order and discipline!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 11, 2020 08:38 PM (Dc2NZ)

96 I'm sure his daughter had it- Lynette Mettey- often played nurse on MASH, other roles, notably Newsweek reporter in first episode of Columbo, which her father filmed and Speilberg directed.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at January 11, 2020 08:38 PM (87EdW)

97 Begging Disney honcho Bob Iger for a job for Meggie.

I have a job for Meggie.

Posted by: Harvey! at January 11, 2020 08:38 PM (ykYG2)

98 So, Kubrick disowned Spartacus because it wasn't "his" film? To paraphrase Crewman #6, Did he ever watch the movie? It's a great film.

Yeah, Tony Curtis was never much of an actor (Some Like it Hot and Lobster Man from Mars notwithstanding) but he's fine in the film.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 11, 2020 08:38 PM (l9m7l)

99
Voluminous satyr sock off. That's the trouble when you use a 5 or 6 different computers and virtual machines on them to boot, giving you 10 - 20 browser instances with socks for each.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at January 11, 2020 08:38 PM (f1Vqw)

100 people who can tell the difference between a New York bagel and a bagel anywhere else in the world

It's the water.

Posted by: That irredeemable guy who always says... at January 11, 2020 08:38 PM (EgshT)

101 Did Bergman ever make a film that wasn't a buzz kill?
Maybe because they were foreign films and subtitled. But his movies always hit me as suicide depressing. A lot of stares, awkward silences and rage just under the surface.

Posted by: Groundhog at January 11, 2020 08:39 PM (VYwSh)

102 90- sorry. I'll try harder next time.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at January 11, 2020 08:39 PM (87EdW)

103 Oh wow...Tony Curtis...reminds me of the noir I watched on my binge: Sweet Smell of Success. Curtis, Lancaster...that was a brutal film, in a good way.

Posted by: lizabth at January 11, 2020 08:39 PM (L3Rsz)

104 So far as Sharpe's Rifles goes, I recall a scene where a weary Sharpe drags himself into camp after a difficult solo assignment, only to be asked to set off on another mission. He accepts.

Almost staggering to his tent, he informs Daragh O'Malley (his sergeant) that he'll be leaving again in the morning.

O'Malley, in his accent of rolled "R's" says, "Rrrrichard, Rrrrichard, you'rrre hearrt is making prromises, yourr body cannae keep."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 11, 2020 08:40 PM (xSo9G)

105 Oh, did somebody mention Tolkien?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAAp_luluo0

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 11, 2020 08:40 PM (Dc2NZ)

106 I've mentioned before, but since it was explicitly mentioned in the post- my great uncle won the academy award for cinematography working for SK on Spartacus.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at January 11, 2020 08:35 PM (87EdW)


Russell Metty ?

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 08:40 PM (zr5Kq)

107 There is a difference between a Bronx and a Brooklyn accent and even though I've read that Mel Blanc crossed the two I don't believe it.

I think he used a now-extinct Hell's Kitchen Manhattan accent.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 11, 2020 08:41 PM (gd9RK)

108 The fam and I watched "Since You Went Away" this afternoon, one of my wife's favorites and a good old film.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 11, 2020 08:41 PM (r+sAi)

109 Best part of Spartacus was Charles Laughton as Gracchus.

Posted by: Tuna at January 11, 2020 08:41 PM (RueoN)

110 101 Did Bergman ever make a film that wasn't a buzz kill?
Maybe because they were foreign films and subtitled. But his movies always hit me as suicide depressing. A lot of stares, awkward silences and rage just under the surface.
Posted by: Groundhog at January 11, 2020 08:39 PM (VYwSh)

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The Magic Flute
A Lesson in Love
The Devil's Eye

There are a handful of comedies (and a comedic opera).

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 08:41 PM (zZbCU)

111 106- that's him.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at January 11, 2020 08:41 PM (87EdW)

112 Curtis was good in Operation Petticoat and Houdini. It wasn't that his acting wasn't good to me but that his distinctive accent was misplaced in a few of his films.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 08:42 PM (2DOZq)

113 but yes, HBO "Rome" [first season] > "Spartacus"

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 11, 2020 08:42 PM (ykYG2)

114 HAL is more human than the astronauts....
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 11, 2020 08:36 PM (YsmbU)


Seriously??

One is struggling to maintain something like a clear head, while a machine is relentlessly trying to kill him.

Whereas the machine is... I guess we're supposed to FEEL something while it's being turned off? Is that it?

All the drama of an electric toothbrush running out of juice.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 11, 2020 08:42 PM (hku12)

115 ''The fam and I watched "Since You Went Away" this afternoon, one of my wife's favorites and a good old film.''

That is a great film. Wonderful actors.

Posted by: Tuna at January 11, 2020 08:42 PM (RueoN)

116 >Watched Once Upon a Time in Hollywood last week. Classic Tarantino. Camera shots from the backseat and cars. Soo many cars...

I read that the yellow Caddy Brad Pitt drove belongs to Michael Madsen, and that the actual car driven by the Manson followers to the crime scene (50s era Ford Galaxie) was available for use but the filmmakers thought that would be over-the-top creepy and went with another car

Posted by: DB at January 11, 2020 08:43 PM (iTXRQ)

117 "Cinematographer Russell Metty, a superb craftsman who worked with such top directors as John Huston, Stanley Kubrick, Steven Spielberg and Orson Welles, was born in Los Angeles on Septmeber 20, 1906. Entering the movie industry as a lab assistant, he apprenticed as an assistant cameraman and graduated to lighting cameraman at RKO Radio Pictures in 1935. Metty's ability to create effects with black-and-white contrast while shooting twilight and night were on display in two films he shot for Welles, The Stranger (1946) and the classic Touch of Evil (195, the latter showing his mastery of complex crane shots. (Metty shot additional scenes for Welles' second masterpiece, The Magnificent Ambersons (1942), whose lighting cameraman was Stanley Cortez but had the look of Citizen Kane (1941), which was shot by Gregg Toland). At Universal in the 1950s he enjoyed a productive collaboration with director Douglas Sirk on ten films from 1953-59, including Sirk's masterpieces Magnificent Obsession (1954) and Imitation of Life (1959), a remake of the 1934 classic (Imitation of Life (1934))."

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 08:43 PM (zr5Kq)

118 Posted by: lizabth at January 11, 2020 08:34 PM

It doesn't end well but that is the beauty of it seeing a man's life lived in just a afternoon.

Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2020 08:43 PM (ZCEU2)

119 Kubrick also got fired off of "One-eyed Jacks" before the cameras rolled.

And Brando took over directing the film.

This is one of the great "What If"s. Why?

Because the script was written by Sam Peckinpah(!)

That is a movie I'd seriously want to see.

But, it was not to be.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 11, 2020 08:43 PM (q57gj)

120 106- I think Lynette added the extra "e" to differentiate herself from him.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at January 11, 2020 08:44 PM (87EdW)

121 ''The Magic Flute ''

Absolutely delightful. My husband an I saw it in a little art theater when it was released.

Posted by: Tuna at January 11, 2020 08:44 PM (RueoN)

122 I read that the yellow Caddy Brad Pitt drove belongs to Michael Madsen, and that the actual car driven by the Manson followers to the crime scene (50s era Ford Galaxie) was available for use but the filmmakers thought that would be over-the-top creepy and went with another car

Kubrick would have made the actors use the Galaxie.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 11, 2020 08:44 PM (ykYG2)

123 Latrine!

Posted by: Top Secret guy who always shouts Latrine! at January 11, 2020 08:44 PM (Mki/r)

124 people who can tell the difference between a New York bagel and a bagel anywhere else in the world
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It's the water.
Posted by: That irredeemable guy who always says... at January 11, 2020 08:38 PM (EgshT)


Reminds me of the Penn and Teller episode of Bullshit, where they have Teller filling bottles from a hose, and then all the patrons of the fancy restaurant talking about how much more pure the water is.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 11, 2020 08:45 PM (hku12)

125 I'm trying to decide if I want to watch The Swimmer. Apparently it was Lancaster's favorite, of his work. I suppose I will watch it.
Posted by: lizabth at January 11, 2020 08:37 PM (L3Rsz)



It's essentially a long twilight zone episode.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 11, 2020 08:45 PM (q57gj)

126 Bergman's Magic Flute has the best Papageno ever.

Posted by: lizabth at January 11, 2020 08:45 PM (L3Rsz)

127 122
Kubrick would have made the actors use the Galaxie.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 11, 2020 08:44 PM (ykYG2)

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For 150 takes when the ghost of Manson would finally come out and help deliver the performance Kubrick wanted.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 08:45 PM (zZbCU)

128 120 106- I think Lynette added the extra "e" to differentiate herself from him.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at January 11, 2020 08:44 PM (87EdW)

Lynette ??

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 08:45 PM (zr5Kq)

129 @125...okay...that kinda helps. I was watching a few clips, trying to get a sense of it.

Posted by: lizabth at January 11, 2020 08:46 PM (L3Rsz)

130 ''but yes, HBO "Rome" [first season] > "Spartacus"''

A huge disappointment when it was not renewed.

Posted by: Tuna at January 11, 2020 08:46 PM (RueoN)

131 Oh, and the Moon landings were directed by Kubrick. the Nixon administration needed to someone to make it look good on a low budget.

Unfortunately Kubrick demanded they film on location.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 11, 2020 08:46 PM (ykYG2)

132 He has another daughter, Andrea (I think by another woman- it's my understanding she and Lynette are "estranged") who is a make up artist. We used to be FB friends before I quit fb

Posted by: Farmer Bob at January 11, 2020 08:47 PM (87EdW)

133 Why did Kubrick change the room number in The Shining?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 08:48 PM (2DOZq)

134 In which I tweak the child James Madison by actually reading his stuff.

He raised the money for the money from his family and friends


When he raised the money for the money did he spend it all on money?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 11, 2020 08:49 PM (gd9RK)

135 FYI

The young girl watching the opera Bergman focuses on at the beginning of "The Magic Flute" is his daughter.

Posted by: Tuna at January 11, 2020 08:49 PM (RueoN)

136 134 In which I tweak the child James Madison by actually reading his stuff.

He raised the money for the money from his family and friends


When he raised the money for the money did he spend it all on money?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 11, 2020 08:49 PM (gd9RK)

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Gotta have money to make money.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 08:49 PM (zZbCU)

137 Lynette Mettey is Russell Metty's daughter. She "starred" as Nurse Able, Baker, etc. on Mash.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at January 11, 2020 08:49 PM (87EdW)

138 Why did Kubrick change the room number in The Shining?

Have you seen the "Room 237" documentary?

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 11, 2020 08:49 PM (ykYG2)

139 Oh, and the Moon landings were directed by Kubrick.
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Okay, who would you hire to fake the manned Mars landing? I'm thinking Michael Bay. I want a Marvel tripod landing and maybe blow up Phobos or Diemos.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 11, 2020 08:50 PM (Dc2NZ)

140 Why did Kubrick change the room number in The Shining?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 08:48 PM (2DOZq)


For ART!! How DARE you question a genius!!!

Posted by: BurtTC at January 11, 2020 08:50 PM (hku12)

141 Brad Pitt is a very good actor. Probably would have won an academy award if he wasn't considered such a pretty boy. They might try to give him one now since his old.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 08:51 PM (2DOZq)

142 Okay, who would you hire to fake the manned Mars landing?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 11, 2020 08:50 PM (Dc2NZ)

Lars von Trier.

Posted by: hogmartin at January 11, 2020 08:52 PM (7u6m0)

143 bouldert'hobo, I work with a guy says Kubrick filmed the moon landings, hell at least he didn't tell me they put a microchip in you hand at walmart.

Posted by: Eromero at January 11, 2020 08:52 PM (UUkQp)

144 Okay, who would you hire to fake the manned Mars landing? I'm thinking Michael Bay. I want a Marvel tripod landing and maybe blow up Phobos or Diemos.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 11, 2020 08:50 PM (Dc2NZ)


Zach Snyder.

How would have hot chicks in skimpy outfits for no particular reason.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 11, 2020 08:52 PM (hku12)

145 Look up Tony Curtis obituaries. He grew up in The Bronx

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 11, 2020 08:52 PM (YsmbU)

146 Okay, who would you hire to fake the manned Mars landing?




Spielberg.

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 08:53 PM (zr5Kq)

147 Why did Kubrick change the room number in The Shining?

Have you seen the "Room 237" documentary?
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 11, 2020 08:49 PM (ykYG2)

No but I know of the conspiracy theory but just wondering what the real reason was.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 08:53 PM (2DOZq)

148 Okay, who would you hire to fake the manned Mars landing?

Yer askin' the wrong moron. I'm all about the Venus expedition.

For that: Alex Garland.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 11, 2020 08:53 PM (ykYG2)

149 Curtis was good in Operation Petticoat and Houdini.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth

Recently watched The Boston Strangler from 1968 and starring Curtis and Henry Fonda. I was surprised it was made as early as 1968. Most of the film focuses on sexual deviancy which was pretty unknown in films then.

I think it's strange that in 1968 Fonda made (or released at least) The Boston Strangler, Once Upon a Time in the West and Yours, Mine and Ours. That's an odd mixture.

Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at January 11, 2020 08:54 PM (VNfwt)

150 Okay, who would you hire to fake the manned Mars landing?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 11, 2020 08:50 PM (Dc2NZ)

Lars von Trier.


A Mars landing with Nazis and Kirsten Dunst's tits? Hmmm.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 11, 2020 08:54 PM (gd9RK)

151 >Okay, who would you hire to fake the manned Mars landing?

Tarantino


"MARTIAN, MOTHERF***ER! DO YOU SPEAK IT!?"

Posted by: DB at January 11, 2020 08:55 PM (iTXRQ)

152 Mars landing:

Christopher Nolan.

Or Guy Ritchie.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not Paying Attention at January 11, 2020 08:55 PM (x8Wzq)

153 Seeing Knives Out tonight. Sounds as though I will have a reasonable time. Nothing else in the theater I wanted to see.

When I read IMDB reviews, there was one that was a rant about how all the Star Wars fans had aggressively and unfairly downgraded the film because they were still pissed about him ruining Star Wars. My message to those fans would be: he had a lot of help.

Posted by: Splunge at January 11, 2020 08:55 PM (dOV9E)

154 148 Recently watched The Boston Strangler from 1968 and starring Curtis and Henry Fonda. I was surprised it was made as early as 1968. Most of the film focuses on sexual deviancy which was pretty unknown in films then.

I think it's strange that in 1968 Fonda made (or released at least) The Boston Strangler, Once Upon a Time in the West and Yours, Mine and Ours. That's an odd mixture.
Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at January 11, 2020 08:54 PM (VNfwt)

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I just watched Peeping Tom, which was made in Britain in 1960 and dealt with similar things.

It destroyed Michael Powell's career because the British film community and people reacted so poorly to it.

It's great, though. Available on TubiTV.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 08:55 PM (zZbCU)

155 Recently watched The Boston Strangler from 1968 and starring Curtis and Henry Fonda. I was surprised it was made as early as 1968. Most of the film focuses on sexual deviancy which was pretty unknown in films then.

I think it's strange that in 1968 Fonda made (or released at least) The Boston Strangler, Once Upon a Time in the West and Yours, Mine and Ours. That's an odd mixture.
Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at January 11, 2020 08:54 PM (VNfwt)


Incidentally, it remains highly possible DiSalvo didn't commit the murders.

Several of the rapes? Sure. But the murders? The evidence is fairly flimsy.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 11, 2020 08:56 PM (hku12)

156 I watched I Love You, Alice B. Toklas. It's okay but I was kinda put off by Peter Seller's body hair. They're all over including his back, shoulders, and even his upper arms, like a thin sweater. Yikes!

Posted by: Oggi at January 11, 2020 08:56 PM (Bk5Q+)

157 Whoever directed The Martian definitely out to direct the fake Mars landing.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 08:56 PM (2DOZq)

158 157 Whoever directed The Martian definitely out to direct the fake Mars landing.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 08:56 PM (2DOZq)

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Ridley Scott.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 08:57 PM (zZbCU)

159 Has it been mentioned that this thread is linked at 63red Conservative?

Posted by: French Jeton at January 11, 2020 08:57 PM (9Nrxu)

160 Peter Sellers. What a talent.

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 08:57 PM (zr5Kq)

161 Was The Martian any good? I read the book recently, and was very pleasantly surprised with how engaging it was.

Posted by: Splunge at January 11, 2020 08:57 PM (dOV9E)

162 My message to those fans would be: (Rian Johnson) had a lot of help.

Rian didn't need help. He wanted to ruin Star Wars. His MAAAH DEEECK tweets prove that. Rian is just a sorry excuse for a human being and I refuse to watch anything he makes.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 11, 2020 08:58 PM (ykYG2)

163 143 bouldert'hobo, I work with a guy says Kubrick filmed the moon landings, hell at least he didn't tell me they put a microchip in you hand at walmart.

Posted by: Eromero at January 11, 2020 08:52 PM (UUkQp)


If you had watched carefully enough during the original TV broadcast, you'd have found several images that clearly showed camera platform tire tracks on a supposedly pristine moon's surface. All those images have been replaced by flawlessly CGI'd versions that now reside in the official archives!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at January 11, 2020 08:58 PM (BiNEL)

164 "Was The Martian any good?"

Yes, The Martian is true to the book and very well done. I might watch it again tonight.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 11, 2020 08:58 PM (ykYG2)

165 Has it been mentioned that this thread is linked at 63red Conservative?
Posted by: French Jeton at January 11, 2020 08:57 PM (9Nrxu)

I am sorry, but what does it mean ? Do I have to put pants on or something ?

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 08:59 PM (zr5Kq)

166 The Mars landing should be filmed by Uwe Boll or Michael Bay. F*** quality. Stuff should blow up. And there should be aliens.

Posted by: Splunge at January 11, 2020 08:59 PM (dOV9E)

167 Incidentally, it remains highly possible DiSalvo didn't commit the murders.
Posted by: BurtTC

IIRC there's a post script at the end of the film that said he was never tried for the murders. Which was surprising.

Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at January 11, 2020 08:59 PM (VNfwt)

168 It's essentially a long twilight zone episode.

The scene where The Penguin is sitting on the airplane wing, doing plastic surgery on the little boy is a classic.

Posted by: Dirty Frank at January 11, 2020 09:00 PM (bR+UX)

169 Kubrick could have made a movie about flower pots, with no flower pots in the movie. And we would still be talking about it.

Posted by: klaftern at January 11, 2020 09:00 PM (RuIsu)

170 Is there a room 237 conspiracy theory ?

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 09:00 PM (zr5Kq)

171 If the Mars landing were faked by Werner Herzog he'd actually go to Mars and hand-hold the camera for the fake landing.

That he'd actually do.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 11, 2020 09:01 PM (gd9RK)

172 "Mars Crossing" is another hard SF book that needs to be a movie. Or series.

Kim Stanley Robinson's epic series should be a series, itself. Although I get a nagging feeling that "Aurora" will be greenlit first.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 11, 2020 09:01 PM (ykYG2)

173 ''I think it's strange that in 1968 Fonda made (or released at least) The Boston Strangler, Once Upon a Time in the West and Yours, Mine and Ours. That's an odd mixture. ''

Versatility? Seriously though, Fonda as villian in Once Upon a Time...'' was the best example of ''playing against type'' that I can think of.

Posted by: Tuna at January 11, 2020 09:01 PM (RueoN)

174 Incidentally, it remains highly possible DiSalvo didn't commit the murders.
Posted by: BurtTC

IIRC there's a post script at the end of the film that said he was never tried for the murders. Which was surprising.
Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at January 11, 2020 08:59 PM (VNfwt)


Yes, now that you mention it.

I don't recall the lore entirely, I wonder if there's some good chance the actual murderer was caught and killed by some means other than legal. Including the mob being involved, perhaps.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 11, 2020 09:01 PM (hku12)

175 Incidentally, it remains highly possible DiSalvo didn't commit the murders.
Posted by: BurtTC

IIRC there's a post script at the end of the film that said he was never tried for the murders. Which was surprising.
Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at January 11, 2020 08:59 PM (VNfwt)

I think the exhumed his body a number of years ago and his dna definitely matched the rape and murder of one of the victims.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 09:01 PM (2DOZq)

176 Or Rob Zombie.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 11, 2020 09:02 PM (Dc2NZ)

177 172 "Mars Crossing" is another hard SF book that needs to be a movie. Or series.

Kim Stanley Robinson's epic series should be a series, itself. Although I get a nagging feeling that "Aurora" will be greenlit first.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 11, 2020 09:01 PM (ykYG2)

========

I barely got through Red Mars and never felt like reading anything else he ever wrote.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 09:02 PM (zZbCU)

178 How do you get Netflix ratings, they all dropped off my account for some reason.

And I like Excalibur. Good soundtrack and reminds me of the 80's.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 11, 2020 09:04 PM (xfb67)

179 178 How do you get Netflix ratings, they all dropped off my account for some reason.

And I like Excalibur. Good soundtrack and reminds me of the 80's.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 11, 2020 09:04 PM (xfb67)

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They still have the 5 star ratings on the DVD part of the system.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 09:04 PM (zZbCU)

180 Speaking of Bond movies, how long until QEII goes after Sparkles Markle?

Posted by: jmel at January 11, 2020 09:05 PM (OeWgo)

181 180 Speaking of Bond movies, how long until QEII goes after Sparkles Markle?
Posted by: jmel at January 11, 2020 09:05 PM (OeWgo)

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He needs to go after that guy who wrote the article saying that we need to stop having babies after he gets a tech billionaire to fund his biological weapon designed to make the human race infertile.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 09:06 PM (zZbCU)

182 Next in my Netflix Queue:

Bedknobs and Broomsticks


Otherwise known as the "Mayor Pete Story".

Posted by: cfo mom at January 11, 2020 09:06 PM (RfzVr)

183 6 Kubrick, Hitchcock, and Bergman walk into a bar...
Posted by: Dirty Frank



And 3 hours later, you walk out of the bar confused, paranoid, and depressed. Should have stayed home.

Posted by: Puddleglum at January 11, 2020 09:07 PM (PQUoE)

184 I like Rian Johnson's debut movie Brick.

Posted by: Oggi at January 11, 2020 09:07 PM (Bk5Q+)

185 The best part of the moon landings was (I think) John Glenn, at an advanced age, punching some young conspiracy douche in the face.

Posted by: Splunge at January 11, 2020 09:07 PM (dOV9E)

186 Showing Jeremiah Johnson on the Outdoor Channel right now. Hard to believe Robert Redford is 83.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 09:07 PM (2DOZq)

187 QEII took out Diana for less

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 11, 2020 09:08 PM (E09mo)

188 The best part of the moon landings was (I think) John Glenn, at an advanced age, punching some young conspiracy douche in the face.
Posted by: Splunge at January 11, 2020 09:07 PM (dOV

Buzz Aldrin

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 09:08 PM (2DOZq)

189

Harry married a black chick. Diana was knocked up by a filthy Arab... had to go...

Posted by: Dirty Frank at January 11, 2020 09:09 PM (bR+UX)

190 185 The best part of the moon landings was (I think) John Glenn, at an advanced age, punching some young conspiracy douche in the face.
--
Punched him so hard he just kept sailing, and now our satellite has a satellite.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 11, 2020 09:09 PM (Dc2NZ)

191
185 The best part of the moon landings was (I think) John Glenn, at an advanced age, punching some young conspiracy douche in the face.
Posted by: Splunge at January 11, 2020 09:07 PM (dOV9E)

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Buzz Aldrin.


John Glen got punched while giving an interview outside the US Capitol.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at January 11, 2020 09:10 PM (t5m5e)

192 QEII took out Diana for less
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 11, 2020 09:08 PM (E09mo)


no kidding

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 09:10 PM (zr5Kq)

193 John Glenn?

*walks away*

*knocks over shelf filled with fragile wine glasses*

John Glenn!!!???

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not Paying Attention at January 11, 2020 09:11 PM (x8Wzq)

194 I'm still stuck on Dr No as the best Bond movie.

Best villain, best Bond girl, best sidekick, best central enigma.

While I'm on heretical Bond opinions: Casino Royale was the best book, and it still has not been filmed properly.

Posted by: Splunge at January 11, 2020 09:12 PM (dOV9E)

195 I saw "Underwater" yesterday.

Someone reviewed it in an earlier thread. LSS, they didn't like it.

However, I disagree with almost everything said in that review.

Honestly, for the first 2/3-3/4s of the movie I thought I was watching a new horror classic.

The set up is that they are part of a drilling team working 7 miles under the ocean next to the Marianas Trench.

There is an earthquake, they think, that breaches the integrity of their station, and it begins to implode under the terrible pressure at that depth.

And we're off! The situation gets worse and worse until their only choice is to cross the floor of the ocean to a previous station which has been abandoned.

At that point, the monsters enter the story.

The bottom of the ocean is murky and they can barely see where they're going let alone when the monsters will appear.

In some ways, the set-up is superior to "Alien" because the "world" of the movie the crushing pressure at that depth is perhaps more dangerous than the monsters.

This is very well directed and written, lean, mean, and surprisingly realistic for this kind of movie, and the tension never lets up until....well, the 2/3-3/4 mark.

Then, No Spoilers, they try something a bit different in the story and need to set it up.

So, this lean, mean, coke-rush of a movie gets flabby with plot.

Worst of all, they forget about the monsters for awhile. So, we get an info dump with no excitement or tension.

There definitely needed to be, and frankly should've been, another monster attack. They probably needed one more red shirt...if you know what I mean.

Is it fatal to the movie?

No. The turn in the movie is still entertaining but the level of tension and excitement never reaches the heights of the first 2/3-3/4s of the movie.

Excellent acting all around, Even Kristen Stewart.

A near miss with greatness. Too bad.

I'd give it a b or B+.

Check it out.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 11, 2020 09:12 PM (q57gj)

196 Rush on Judge Jeanine. Not holding back!

Posted by: Pete Seria at January 11, 2020 09:13 PM (7ZQe3)

197 Oh God, it's the inevitable amputation scene.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 11, 2020 09:13 PM (Dc2NZ)

198 195 Excellent acting all around, Even Kristen Stewart.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 11, 2020 09:12 PM (q57gj)


Never thought I'd see the phrase "excellent acting" in the same sentence as that name.

Posted by: Splunge at January 11, 2020 09:13 PM (dOV9E)

199 I meant Rudy

Posted by: Pete Seria at January 11, 2020 09:13 PM (7ZQe3)

200 I'm working on a movie idea I've been kicking around since I wrote a song based on an old Northern England tune called The Collier's Daughter (which has lyrics, but they're shite compared to what I wrote). It's about two elderly men, 1 British, 1 German, who were on opposite sides during the Blitz (AA gunner and bomber pilot), each with their own secret demons involving WW2, which get revealed at the end when the grandson of the Brit marries the granddaughter of the German and the old adversaries' lineages are now tied together by their great-grandson. It's actually a lot more complex than that and the "reveal" is putting two coincidental revelations together. Anyway, working on it is a lot of fun, especially researching the Blitz and stuff.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 11, 2020 09:14 PM (KAi1n)

201 Yeah, and JFK won't kilt in Dallas. He spent the rest of his life in a private sanitarium on St. Simons. Dude I heard them all. Including the very first one, the first lie told by the first liar (and lawyer).
Genesis 3:4 'And the serpent said unto the woman 'ye shall not surely die'.

Posted by: Eromero at January 11, 2020 09:14 PM (UUkQp)

202 194 I'm still stuck on Dr No as the best Bond movie.

Best villain, best Bond girl, best sidekick, best central enigma.

While I'm on heretical Bond opinions: Casino Royale was the best book, and it still has not been filmed properly.
Posted by: Splunge at January 11, 2020 09:12 PM (dOV9E)

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I find Dr. No underwhelming.

It's built like a mystery, but the answer gets spelled out early, so Bond is following clues to get to where we know he'll get after 20 minutes.

Dr. No himself is dull as a villain.

The action is few and far between, and not particularly well filmed.

I think it gets a lot of credit for starting most of the Bond mythos in film form (pretty much everything but Q and the Aston Martin).

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 09:14 PM (zZbCU)

203 186 Showing Jeremiah Johnson on the Outdoor Channel right now. Hard to believe Robert Redford is 83.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth



In spite of Bobby Redford's best efforts, I still love this movie (I can't stand Redford). Its a beautifully shot movie.

Posted by: Puddleglum at January 11, 2020 09:15 PM (PQUoE)

204 Been doing a lot of *type - delete*

Oh hi, Mark!

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not Paying Attention at January 11, 2020 09:15 PM (x8Wzq)

205 The best part of the moon landings was (I think) John Glenn, at an advanced age, punching some young conspiracy douche in the face.

Buzz Aldrin. You child.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 11, 2020 09:15 PM (gd9RK)

206 Genesis 3:4 'And the serpent said unto the woman 'ye shall not surely die'.
Posted by: Eromero at January 11, 2020 09:14 PM (UUkQp)

She didn't. Not right away anyhow. Plus, at the point, neither Adam nor Eve would've had any point of reference for what death was anyhow. It was one big setup.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 11, 2020 09:16 PM (NWiLs)

207 If Kristen Stewart had to play a role that was sullen, lethargic, and un-emotional, she would nail it.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 11, 2020 09:17 PM (xfb67)

208 206 Genesis 3:4 'And the serpent said unto the woman 'ye shall not surely die'.
Posted by: Eromero at January 11, 2020 09:14 PM (UUkQp)

She didn't. Not right away anyhow. Plus, at the point, neither Adam nor Eve would've had any point of reference for what death was anyhow. It was one big setup.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 11, 2020 09:16 PM (NWiLs)

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Pitch meeting idea:

Eve is the producer
The serpent is the writer

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 09:17 PM (zZbCU)

209 204 Been doing a lot of *type - delete*

Oh hi, Mark!
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not Paying Attention at January 11, 2020 09:15 PM (x8Wzq)

This is bullshit! I did not hit her! I did naaaaaht!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 11, 2020 09:17 PM (NWiLs)

210 207 If Kristen Stewart had to play a role that was sullen, lethargic, and un-emotional, she would nail it.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 11, 2020 09:17 PM (xfb67)

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Personal Shopper.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 09:17 PM (zZbCU)

211 I always thought Will Gear steals JJ

Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2020 09:17 PM (ZCEU2)

212 202 I think it gets a lot of credit for starting most of the Bond mythos in film form (pretty much everything but Q and the Aston Martin).
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 09:14 PM (zZbCU)


I notice you didn't diss Honey Rider.

Your frame is the movies, mine is the books. That one was excellent, and probably informed my viewing. I admit the "survival obstacle course" aspect of the book was not properly portrayed. But I thought the interaction between Bond and Dr No was very well done.

Posted by: Splunge at January 11, 2020 09:18 PM (dOV9E)

213 >I'm still stuck on Dr No as the best Bond movie.

I like the Daniel Craig entries- they seem the least cartoonish

ymmv

Posted by: DB at January 11, 2020 09:18 PM (iTXRQ)

214 Showing Jeremiah Johnson on the Outdoor Channel right now. Hard to believe Robert Redford is 83.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth


In spite of Bobby Redford's best efforts, I still love this movie (I can't stand Redford). Its a beautifully shot movie.
Posted by: Puddleglum at January 11, 2020 09:15 PM (PQUoE)

I don't personally like Redford but he has made a few of my top 50 movies. The Sting, This Property is Condemned, Brubaker, Jeremiah Johnson and The Natural.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 09:18 PM (2DOZq)

215 The next time you watch The Spy Who Loved Me, remember that the book has nothing to do with the movie. The book was mostly inside a B&B and it was told from the Bond Girl's perspective. James Bond doesn't even show up in the book till about the 4 or 5 chapter. It's a great book too. Real page turner. The movie was great but an entirely different story. Mrs. Ringo Star was a smoke show in it.

Posted by: Puddleglum at January 11, 2020 09:18 PM (PQUoE)

216 205 The best part of the moon landings was (I think) John Glenn, at an advanced age, punching some young conspiracy douche in the face.

Buzz Aldrin. You child.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 11, 2020 09:15 PM (gd9RK)


Ah, I do love an interesting insult. What's this one about?

Posted by: Splunge at January 11, 2020 09:18 PM (dOV9E)

217 I just got off the phone with No. 1 Son who says that Kristen Stewart spends a lot of the movie in wet lingerie.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 11, 2020 09:19 PM (gd9RK)

218 The best part of the moon landings was (I think) John Glenn, at an advanced age, punching some young conspiracy douche in the face.



Off my Space Lawn.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at January 11, 2020 09:19 PM (oVJmc)

219 In many ways, Kubrick and Bergman are, I think, diametrically opposed.

To me, Kubrick looks at people in a very cold, distant way, like a doctor. Very unemotional.


On the other hand, I think pure emotion is very much part of all of the Bergman films I've seen.

Posted by: shibumi, living in Atlas Shrugged at January 11, 2020 09:19 PM (f1wyb)

220 Ah, I do love an interesting insult. What's this one about?
Posted by: Splunge at January 11, 2020 09:18 PM (dOV9E)

Some cranky old guy. And Buzz Aldrin.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 11, 2020 09:19 PM (NWiLs)

221 Bandersnatch @ 205, Buzz Aldrin opened a symbolic Masonic Lodge on the moon by dispensation of the Grand Lodge Of The State Of Texas. Trinity 2000, of which Eromero is a member.

Posted by: Eromero at January 11, 2020 09:19 PM (UUkQp)

222 I just got off the phone with No. 1 Son who says that Kristen Stewart spends a lot of the movie in wet lingerie.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 11, 2020 09:19 PM (gd9RK)



Yes. She's a rather healthy young lady.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 11, 2020 09:20 PM (q57gj)

223 dOV9E)

217 I just got off the phone with No. 1 Son who says that Kristen Stewart spends a lot of the movie in wet lingerie.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 11, 2020 09:19 PM (gd9RK)

Her girlfriend must like it.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 09:20 PM (2DOZq)

224 I look at Directors like I look at bartenders.

Shut yer yap and get me something to drink.

In the case of Directors, to watch. Or not watch.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 11, 2020 09:20 PM (Z+IKu)

225 Second attempt:

This thread post is linked at 63red Conservative.

Posted by: French Jeton at January 11, 2020 09:21 PM (9Nrxu)

226 @219 Very well said!

Posted by: lizabth at January 11, 2020 09:21 PM (L3Rsz)

227 From Russia with Love

Thunderball has the best Bond Girls

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 11, 2020 09:21 PM (E09mo)

228 63 61 I love Excalibur - have seen it maybe 50 times - don't know why I love it but I do.
Posted by: rammajamma at January 11, 2020 08:28 PM (SwWMX)

Can't understand why Excalibur the lowest rated film in the "fortnight" list at the top. Granted, several of them are classics (like Wizard of Oz), but really, you think Knives Out is better than Excalibur?

Excalibur is, hands down, the best King Arthur movie ever made. And yet, I knew an Arthurian aficionado who could never get past the shiny armor. I believe it captures the spirit of Arthurian legend like no other cinematic attempt.

When judging movies, I like to think about how often I have, or will, watch them.

Which movie do you think you will watch more often in the future, this year's Knives Out or Marriage Story, or 1981's Excalibur?

Posted by: Catoi at January 11, 2020 09:22 PM (BXoJN)

229 Ah, I do love an interesting insult. What's this one about?


Someone old enough to remember the Moon landing could not possibly confuse John Glenn (1st American to go up and all the way around, Alan Shepard went up and down) with Buzz Aldrin (2nd American by a couple of minutes to set foot on the freakin' Moon!)

We were giants then. You must have grown up in the space shuttle bus era.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 11, 2020 09:22 PM (gd9RK)

230 I'm still stuck on Dr No as the best Bond movie.



Best villain, best Bond girl, best sidekick, best central enigma.



While I'm on heretical Bond opinions: Casino Royale was the best book, and it still has not been filmed properly.

Posted by: Splunge at January 11, 2020 09:12 PM (dOV9E)


From Russia With Love was the best one. A bit of Cold War intrigue, SPECTRE was at its best, great fight scene on the train and a cat fight thrown in just because.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 11, 2020 09:22 PM (QuPxp)

231
211 I always thought Will Gear steals JJ
Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2020 09:17 PM (ZCEU2)

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Like Redford, one has to overlook Geer the man to get into the performance.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at January 11, 2020 09:23 PM (t5m5e)

232 Ah, Knives Out is incorrectly rated.

3/4, it should be.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 09:23 PM (zZbCU)

233 173:Versatility? Seriously though, Fonda as villian in Once Upon a Time...'' was the best example of ''playing against type'' that I can think of.


A good argument could be made that "Frank" was the Best Villian ever! The nameless, crazy, lunatic, bad guy in Dirty Harry would be a close second (Andrew Robinson).

Posted by: Puddleglum at January 11, 2020 09:23 PM (PQUoE)

234 A good argument could be made that "Frank" was the Best Villian ever!

Blue Velvet Frank or Hellraiser Frank?

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 11, 2020 09:25 PM (NWiLs)

235 A good argument could be made that "Frank" was the Best Villian ever! The nameless, crazy, lunatic, bad guy in Dirty Harry would be a close second (Andrew Robinson).
Posted by: Puddleglum

Agreed. I'd add Bruce Dern in the Cowboys. Boy, did I hate that guy.

Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at January 11, 2020 09:25 PM (VNfwt)

236 First three BOnds are all classics. DR. No, From Russia with Love, Goldfinger. Then On Her Majestie's Secret Service. I also like Die Another Day, but no one else does.

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 09:26 PM (zr5Kq)

237 211..."saw it right off"

Posted by: Builder Berg at January 11, 2020 09:26 PM (q5XnN)

238 I figure Kristen Stewart nails the audition. Repeatedly.

Posted by: klaftern at January 11, 2020 09:26 PM (RuIsu)

239 Posted by: Puddleglum at January 11, 2020 09:23 PM (PQUoE)

My vote is John Malkovich , In the Line of Fire

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 09:26 PM (2DOZq)

240 Agreed. I'd add Bruce Dern in the Cowboys. Boy, did I hate that guy.
Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski

I don't think I have ever seen Dern in a good guy role.

Posted by: Infidel at January 11, 2020 09:27 PM (MTxDQ)

241 The next time you watch The Spy Who Loved Me,
remember that the book has nothing to do with the movie. The book was
mostly inside a BB and it was told from the Bond Girl's
perspective. James Bond doesn't even show up in the book till about the 4
or 5 chapter. It's a great book too. Real page turner. The movie was
great but an entirely different story. Mrs. Ringo Star was a smoke show
in it.

Posted by: Puddleglum at January 11, 2020 09:18 PM (PQUoE)



It was a really good book in the series and completely different take. Bond shows up in the last third of the book. It's broken into three sections. Me: About the girl's life. Them: The thugs who show up. Him: Bond

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 11, 2020 09:27 PM (QuPxp)

242 rashomon is on TCM. Kurasawa rules!

Posted by: vivi at January 11, 2020 09:27 PM (11H2y)

243 239 Posted by: Puddleglum at January 11, 2020 09:23 PM (PQUoE)

My vote is John Malkovich , In the Line of Fire
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 09:26 PM (2DOZq)

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Brian Dennehy has the asteroid in Armageddon.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 09:27 PM (zZbCU)

244 Alan Shepard also walked on the moon.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not Paying Attention at January 11, 2020 09:28 PM (x8Wzq)

245 I dont get TCM anymore

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 09:28 PM (zr5Kq)

246 Dern is a good guy in The Burbs to the extent that the films can be said to have good/bad guys.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at January 11, 2020 09:29 PM (H5knJ)

247 241:It was a really good book in the series and completely different take. Bond shows up in the last third of the book. It's broken into three sections. Me: About the girl's life. Them: The thugs who show up. Him: Bond


It's been years since I've read it. Thanks. I forgot that was how the book was broken up,

Posted by: Puddleglum at January 11, 2020 09:29 PM (PQUoE)

248 >Alan Shepard also walked on the moon.

I think he was the only Mercury guy to do so

Posted by: DB at January 11, 2020 09:30 PM (iTXRQ)

249 I don't think I have ever seen Dern in a good guy role.
Posted by: Infidel

Saw a late Hitchcock film called Family Plot recently. While Dern is not a good guy in it, he's at least a sympathetic figure. I liked the movie.

Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at January 11, 2020 09:30 PM (VNfwt)

250

For Bond girl nothing quite beats Goldfinger with Bond walking in on Shirley Eaton laying on the lounge chair wearing only a black bra and panties.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 11, 2020 09:30 PM (QuPxp)

251 I was always impressed by the photographic skill the early films employed - if you watch Hitchcock or Stevens or Ford - they insisted on framing shots in the traditional manner that was brought down from the 19th century painters and artists. No one's head is cut off, or body parts that are important to the feel of the film left out of the shot. David Lean also insisted on big shots that incorporated everyone in correct proportion to each other. I note the perspective employed in the stills

In some later films, you see this lost art of framing a shot totally gone, particularly in the 70's - story telling through dialogue was given greater weight. I thought Martin Scorsese cut to many important people out of his shots - and relied upon mood and dialogue to carry the day - it worked in most incidents - but in his later stuff - the lazy photography detracted. The Irishman is poorly shot compared to his early efforts, even if the film narrative is pretty decent. See how many times Pacino is shot half out of the frame, and he's the central figure in the scene...bad.

Posted by: Boswell at January 11, 2020 09:31 PM (32YRo)

252
Excalibur is, hands down, the best King Arthur movie ever made. And yet, I knew an Arthurian aficionado who could never get past the shiny armor. I believe it captures the spirit of Arthurian legend like no other cinematic attempt.


Yeah, I agree.

I mean, the movie straight off announces this is the realm of legend.

Shiny armor?

Hell, yeah, it's shiny armor. With boar's head helmets and other animal helmets. What about Mordred's golden armor with the Sun God helmet?

The Wagnerian music?

Come on, man. This is a full on, bull goose loony embrace of every bit of magic and fairy lore in the story of Arthur and his Knights.

And it's glorious.

There's a reason why people still watch it and talk about it after 38 or so years.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 11, 2020 09:32 PM (q57gj)

253 I think Wally Schirra was the only other Mercury astronaut to fly an Apollo mission

Posted by: DB at January 11, 2020 09:32 PM (iTXRQ)

254 Good trivia questions are how many men have walked on the moon and who was the last man to walk on the moon.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 09:32 PM (2DOZq)

255 rashomon is on TCM. Kurasawa rules!


omg! Can we talk about it or do you want no spoilers?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 11, 2020 09:32 PM (gd9RK)

256 250

For Bond girl nothing quite beats Goldfinger with Bond walking in on Shirley Eaton laying on the lounge chair wearing only a black bra and panties.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 11, 2020 09:30 PM (QuPxp)

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Through Diamonds are Forever, my favorite Bond girl is Jill St. John as Tiffany Case, but the best used Bond girl is Diana Rigg as Tracy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 09:32 PM (zZbCU)

257 255 rashomon is on TCM. Kurasawa rules!


omg! Can we talk about it or do you want no spoilers?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 11, 2020 09:32 PM (gd9RK)

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The ghost did it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 09:33 PM (zZbCU)

258 I think Wally Schirra was the only other Mercury astronaut to fly an Apollo mission
Posted by: DB at January 11, 2020 09:32 PM (iTXRQ)

Alan Shepard.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not Paying Attention at January 11, 2020 09:33 PM (x8Wzq)

259 Movies are boring.Let's talk about drumming!

Posted by: Zombie Neil Peart at January 11, 2020 09:33 PM (cU4G4)

260 I don't think I have ever seen Dern in a good guy role.
Posted by: Infidel at January 11, 2020 09:27 PM (MTxDQ)
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Silent Running.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 11, 2020 09:34 PM (Dc2NZ)

261 Then there is Jane Seymour.

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 09:34 PM (zr5Kq)

262
There's a reason why people still watch it and talk about it after 38 or so years.

______________________

That's why I still watch Krull and Beastmaster!

Kidding.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 11, 2020 09:34 PM (xfb67)

263 260 I don't think I have ever seen Dern in a good guy role.
Posted by: Infidel at January 11, 2020 09:27 PM (MTxDQ)
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Silent Running.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 11, 2020 09:34 PM (Dc2NZ)

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He was actually the bad guy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 09:34 PM (zZbCU)

264 That's O Fortuna from the Carmina Burana that that knights ride out to in the final battle.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at January 11, 2020 09:34 PM (H5knJ)

265
Alan Shepard famously hit a golf ball on the Moon. It went for "miles and miles" he quipped.

And there was Gene Cernan singing "I was strolling on the Moon one day...."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl_VdN6rfrQ

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at January 11, 2020 09:34 PM (f1Vqw)

266 Nobody has mentioned who the smoke show was who played Morgan in Excalibur. The youngsters know her but not as a smoke show.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 09:34 PM (2DOZq)

267
I don't think I have ever seen Dern in a good guy role.

Posted by: Infidel



Saw a late Hitchcock film called Family Plot recently. While Dern
is not a good guy in it, he's at least a sympathetic figure. I liked
the movie.

Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at January 11, 2020 09:30 PM (VNfwt)


He also has a small role in another Hitchcock movie Marnie as the sailor who tries to molest Marnie when she's a girl and the trauma of that event is what caused her emotional problems

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 11, 2020 09:35 PM (QuPxp)

268
Alan Shepard golfing on the Moon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtI9krmKQ7E

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at January 11, 2020 09:35 PM (f1Vqw)

269 Nobody has mentioned who the smoke show was who played Morgan in Excalibur. The youngsters know her but not as a smoke show.


Hellen Mirren. Also John Boorman's daughter took her kit off in his movie and he didn't find it at all odd.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 11, 2020 09:35 PM (gd9RK)

270 Woman who played Guinevere = ugly.

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 09:36 PM (zr5Kq)

271 Nobody has mentioned who the smoke show was who played Morgan in Excalibur. The youngsters know her but not as a smoke show.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth

Helen Mirren

And if you look really close in one scene you can see her boobehs.

Posted by: Moon Moon Blutarski at January 11, 2020 09:36 PM (VNfwt)

272 Good trivia questions are how many men have walked on the moon and who was the last man to walk on the moon.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 09:32 PM (2DOZq)


I had the unique privilege of having sat next to Gene Cernan at a dinner my company was having in Boston. I still remember Mr. Cernan telling me, "JC, You cannot stand on the moon, and look at back at the earth, and not believe in God".

Posted by: JC. Idaho bot. at January 11, 2020 09:36 PM (377Zs)

273 Posted by: Boswell at January 11, 2020 09:31 PM (32YRo)

This surprises me, because I always associate Scorsese with the tableau-like frame, like he's filming a stage play. Interiors and setting were very important.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 11, 2020 09:36 PM (Dc2NZ)

274
Wally Schirra flew Apollo 7, the first manned flight after the Apollo 1 fire disaster.

They all got sick in space and famously rebelled against Mission Control, refusing to wear their helmets during re-entry (cause they were so stuffed up).

None of them ever flew again because of that.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at January 11, 2020 09:37 PM (f1Vqw)

275 Captain Picard played himself.

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 09:37 PM (zr5Kq)

276
Through Diamonds are Forever, my favorite Bond
girl is Jill St. John as Tiffany Case, but the best used Bond girl is
Diana Rigg as Tracy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 09:32 PM (zZbCU)

Our main contact at a company that my company does business with her name is Tiffany Case. I refer to her as Jill St. John (although she looks nothing like her). People in my office have no idea what I'm talking about as per usual

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 11, 2020 09:37 PM (QuPxp)

277 Posted by: JC. Idaho bot. at January 11, 2020 09:36 PM (377Zs)

That is an awesome brush with greatness story,

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 09:38 PM (2DOZq)

278
The Men Who Walked on the Moon is the most exclusive club the world. There were 12. Only 4 are still alive.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at January 11, 2020 09:39 PM (f1Vqw)

279 Watching the final season of Babylon 5.

This series has surprised me, in that it's pretty good.

First season, meh, but it has improved.

Posted by: SMH at January 11, 2020 09:39 PM (RU4sa)

280 The moon is racist. Only white people have been there.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 11, 2020 09:39 PM (xfb67)

281 Diana Rigg as Tracy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 09:32 PM (zZbCU

And the youngsters know her better as Orenna Tyrell.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 09:39 PM (2DOZq)

282 Olenna.

Stupid autocorrect didn't watch GoT.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 09:40 PM (2DOZq)

283 Excalibur.
Aside from the scene where the Sword is cast back into the hand of the Lady ( accompanied by Wagner), the scene between Arthur and Merlin when Guinevere is first encountered Is etched in my soul.
'I once exposed myself to the Dragon's breath so that man could spend one night with a woman. It took me nine moons to recover. And all for love, this mad distemper which brings down both beggar and king. Never again. Never!'

Posted by: Madtom at January 11, 2020 09:40 PM (go+84)

284 He was actually the bad guy.
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But he had good intentions!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 11, 2020 09:41 PM (Dc2NZ)

285 Diana Rigg as Tracy.



Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 09:32 PM (zZbCU



And the youngsters know her better as Orenna Tyrell.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 09:39 PM (2DOZq)


She'll always be Mrs Peel

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 11, 2020 09:42 PM (QuPxp)

286
The Moon would be a shooting paradise. Rifle round muzzle velocity is getting close to orbital velocity at the surface.

And with no air resistance, you could do some *amazingly* long range shots.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at January 11, 2020 09:43 PM (f1Vqw)

287 I've been on a 1930s kick via Amazon Prime. Woman in the Dark, Sales Lady, The River House Mystery, Guest in the House, Smilin' Through, and, speaking of Hitchcock, Murder.

Really enjoying them, but if there's one thing I could change it would be the constant sizzle on the old soundtracks.

Posted by: Gem at January 11, 2020 09:43 PM (65i3Q)

288 Was just rummaging about on Crnnchyroll looking for something to watch and stumbled across a series called Goblin Slayer. There is this guy, a Silver ranked adventurer, and all he does is kill goblins.

First episode opens with a warning about viewer discretion and in black and white see this novice priestess face her own death amidst the blood of her party members before the Goblin Slayer arrives.

This is a brutal anime that is unflinching and hence is disturbing. But at the same time not depressing like Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans. Goblin Slayer's history is revealed and how it has shaped his whole life, to avenge his older sister killed by the goblins he becomes their greatest nemesis. In some ways like his willingness to learn and his backstory he reminds me of Bruce Wayne.

There is also humor for example when both the Priestess and High Elf manage to wheedle out of him a promise of no fire, no poison, and no gassing of goblins. He agrees and then proceeds to show his brains by defeating a Beholder by throwing a sack of very fine flour at the monster while the Priestess casts protection to seal the monster in. Then the flour powder finds the open flame. Massive explosion and as the High Elf and Priestess demand to know what he did, we watch the corpse of the Beholder finally peel itself off the ceiling and fall with a splat.

A couple neat things about this series. At no time at all do we ever see Goblin Slayer's face, either he is always wearing his helmet or the camera only shows part of his face. And the sharp amongst the Horde will realize by using such labels as High Elf and Priestess, none of the characters' real names are ever used.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 11, 2020 09:43 PM (CKJmt)

289 I had the unique privilege of having sat next to Gene Cernan at a dinner my company was having in Boston. I still remember Mr. Cernan telling me, "JC, You cannot stand on the moon, and look at back at the earth, and not believe in God".
Posted by: JC. Idaho bot. at January 11, 2020 09:36 PM (377Zs)
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My mother dated Gene Cernan while he was in flight training at Pensacola. Before Dad, that is.

Posted by: Weasel at January 11, 2020 09:44 PM (MVjcR)

290 Posted by: Anna Puma at January 11, 2020 09:43 PM (CKJmt)

Is the Goblin Slayer Judge Dredd?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 09:44 PM (2DOZq)

291 Not exactly, if there are no goblins involved he is not interested not even if its Demon Lords loose in the capital.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 11, 2020 09:45 PM (CKJmt)

292
The 4 Moon-walkers still alive are Buzz Aldrin, 89, David Scott, 87, and Charles Duke and Harrison Schmitt, both 84.

It would be nice if we could more American boots on the Moon before the last one died.

Idiot Millennials don't even realize the glory of this.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at January 11, 2020 09:46 PM (f1Vqw)

293 The Moon would be a shooting paradise. Rifle round muzzle velocity is getting close to orbital velocity at the surface.

And with no air resistance, you could do some *amazingly* long range shots.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at January 11, 2020 09:43 PM (f1Vqw)
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Pish! No wind.

Posted by: Weasel at January 11, 2020 09:46 PM (MVjcR)

294 Crap, I saw Roshimon was on TCM and forgot

Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2020 09:46 PM (ZCEU2)

295 My mother dated Gene Cernan while he was in flight training at Pensacola. Before Dad, that is.
Posted by: Weasel at January 11, 2020 09:44 PM (MVj

No fair one upping a brush with greatness story.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 09:46 PM (2DOZq)

296 70 Woman who played Guinevere = ugly.
Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 09:36 PM (zr5Kq)

Cherie Lunghi?! Ugly?

Posted by: Gem at January 11, 2020 09:47 PM (65i3Q)

297 Richard Jewell.

Posted by: certified thread transcriptionist at January 11, 2020 09:47 PM (nfcV2)

298 Weasel is permitted.

Posted by: JC. Idaho bot. at January 11, 2020 09:47 PM (377Zs)

299 295 My mother dated Gene Cernan while he was in flight training at Pensacola. Before Dad, that is.
Posted by: Weasel at January 11, 2020 09:44 PM (MVj

No fair one upping a brush with greatness story.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 09:46 PM (2DOZq)
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True! Plus, I never sat next to him at dinner!

Posted by: Weasel at January 11, 2020 09:48 PM (MVjcR)

300 'Lunacy called love'. so much for etchings.

Posted by: Madtom at January 11, 2020 09:48 PM (go+84)

301 rewatched the same thing today

Posted by: muttering vikings fan at January 11, 2020 09:48 PM (l3+k2)

302 298 Weasel is permitted.
Posted by: JC. Idaho bot. at January 11, 2020 09:47 PM (377Zs)
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*fistbump*

Posted by: Weasel at January 11, 2020 09:49 PM (MVjcR)

303 >My mother dated Gene Cernan while he was in flight training at Pensacola. Before Dad, that is.
Posted by: Weasel at January 11, 2020 09:44 PM (MVj

No fair one upping a brush with greatness story.



Gene Cernan once picked me up hitchhiking and told me that with great power comes great responsibility

Posted by: DB at January 11, 2020 09:49 PM (iTXRQ)

304 Anna Puma,

Yeah, "Goblin Slayer" is surprisingly good.

This year I've also liked-

Demon Hunter

Shield Hero

and

Konosuba

quite a bit.

If you haven't seen those, check them out.


Posted by: naturalfake at January 11, 2020 09:49 PM (q57gj)

305 Capt Picard plays himself in A Christmas Carol

Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2020 09:49 PM (ZCEU2)

306 In fairness to millennials, why would they know it's greatness? That's something that has to be taught. It seems like American abandoned space wholesale post Apollo. It's weird really.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at January 11, 2020 09:49 PM (H5knJ)

307 Idiot Millennials don't even realize the glory of this.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear


I remember watching them all on B & W tv, either at home or I remember a daytime one they wheeled in a tv so we could watch in class. Back in duck and cover days.

Posted by: Infidel at January 11, 2020 09:49 PM (MTxDQ)

308 Except the curvature of the Moon is far closer than on Earth... and 1/6th gravity.

My brush with Armstrong and Cernan was visiting the Naval Air Museum at Pensacola and learning both of them had been there just a month before. Had to content myself with buying a copy of Gene Cernan's book with Gene's autograph in it in the museum's gift store.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 11, 2020 09:50 PM (CKJmt)

309 I read quite a bit of the Goblin Slayer manga. I quit because the protagonist's character didn't develop. He hates goblins and kills them. And ... that was it.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 11, 2020 09:50 PM (ykYG2)

310 Posted by: Anna Puma at January 11, 2020 09:43 PM (CKJmt)

I've watched some of it. Very brutal but also very badass.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 11, 2020 09:51 PM (NWiLs)

311 Walking on the moon is the greatest human accomplishment.

Posted by: davidt at January 11, 2020 09:51 PM (l3+k2)

312
My brush with Armstrong and Cernan was visiting the Naval Air Museum at Pensacola and learning both of them had been there just a month before. Had to content myself with buying a copy of Gene Cernan's book with Gene's autograph in it in the museum's gift store.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 11, 2020 09:50 PM (CKJmt)
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The museum at Mainside is the greatest.

Posted by: Weasel at January 11, 2020 09:51 PM (MVjcR)

313 110
101 Did Bergman ever make a film that wasn't a buzz kill?

Maybe because they were foreign films and subtitled. But his movies
always hit me as suicide depressing. A lot of stares, awkward silences
and rage just under the surface.

Posted by: Groundhog at January 11, 2020 08:39 PM (VYwSh)



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The Magic Flute

A Lesson in Love

The Devil's Eye



There are a handful of comedies (and a comedic opera).

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 08:41 PM (zZbCU)

--------Thank you (and others). These 3 are on youtube. I made favorites out of them so I won't forget. I may give them a chance. My limited exposure to him always seemed like his stuff was dour.

Posted by: Groundhog at January 11, 2020 09:52 PM (VYwSh)

314 Capt Picard plays himself in A Christmas Carol

Posted by: Skip at January 11, 2020 09:49 PM (ZCEU2)


Q as Marley would have been bad ass.

Posted by: Charles Dickens Roddenberry at January 11, 2020 09:52 PM (2N7oZ)

315 Walking on the moon is the greatest human accomplishment.
Posted by: davidt at January 11, 2020 09:51 PM (l3+k2

Almost. Since no other country stepped up to do something greater we had to do it ourself.

We drove on the moon.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 09:52 PM (2DOZq)

316 > It seems like American abandoned space wholesale post Apollo. It's weird really.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at January 11, 2020 09:49 PM (H5knJ)


after Apollo I hoped I would live long enough to see men walk on Mars. I don't think that will happen in my lifetime.

Posted by: DB at January 11, 2020 09:52 PM (iTXRQ)

317 Ha! British officer calls the snotty Norwegian a "twisted cheese-eating gnome".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 11, 2020 09:52 PM (Dc2NZ)

318 Cherie Lunghi?! Ugly?
Posted by: Gem at January 11, 2020 09:47 PM (65i3Q)


shoulda asked Joan Collins to play Guinevere....

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 09:52 PM (zr5Kq)

319 Gene Cernan was a fighter pilot and an astronaut. If your mother "dated" him she fucked him. And Dad knows that.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 11, 2020 09:53 PM (gd9RK)

320 Idiot Millennials don't even realize the glory of this.

And gen-x'ers born after 1972, or born too late to remember them, sneer that they were hoaxes.

This is what keeps me from taking Vox Day seriously. That, and his coy gamma-male claims that he is Just Sayin', Just Askin' Questions.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 11, 2020 09:53 PM (ykYG2)

321
We drove on the moon.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 09:52 PM (2DOZq)
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And hit a golf ball.

Posted by: Weasel at January 11, 2020 09:53 PM (MVjcR)

322 257 255 rashomon is on TCM. Kurasawa rules!


omg! Can we talk about it or do you want no spoilers?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 11, 2020 09:32 PM (gd9RK)


Everyone has their own story on what happens in Rashomon.

Posted by: Catoi at January 11, 2020 09:53 PM (BXoJN)

323
Gene Cernan once picked me up hitchhiking and told me that with great power comes great responsibility

Posted by: DB at January 11, 2020 09:49 PM (iTXRQ)


Are you sure that wasn't Stan Lee?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 11, 2020 09:53 PM (QuPxp)

324 >We drove on the moon.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 09:52 PM (2DOZq)
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And hit a golf ball.
Posted by: Weasel at January 11, 2020 09:53 PM (MVjcR)



and fixed the lunar rover with duct tape

Posted by: DB at January 11, 2020 09:54 PM (iTXRQ)

325 Konosuba is a riot of a good anime though second season starts off rocky.

I am waiting for the next season of Rising of the Shield Hero because the first season was excellent.

Demon Hunter never clicked.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 11, 2020 09:55 PM (CKJmt)

326 millenials look at the moon and say,"why the fuck you wanna go there?" fuckwits.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at January 11, 2020 09:55 PM (KP5rU)

327 Kimetsu no Yaiba (demon slayer/hunter) is yuuge in Japan. i think it's the best seller in anime there. I saw a few eps and can attest it is good.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 11, 2020 09:55 PM (ykYG2)

328 319 Gene Cernan was a fighter pilot and an astronaut. If your mother "dated" him she fucked him. And Dad knows that.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 11, 2020 09:53 PM (gd9RK)
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Dad's at Arlington. Probably doesn't care anymore.

Posted by: Weasel at January 11, 2020 09:55 PM (MVjcR)

329 >Are you sure that wasn't Stan Lee?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 11, 2020 09:53 PM (QuPxp)

you know, it might have been. the 70s were such a fog

Posted by: DB at January 11, 2020 09:55 PM (iTXRQ)

330 Everyone has their own story on what happens in Rashomon.


Here's a thing it took me a few viewings to pick up on. Each person's version of the story makes himself or herself look worse than the other people's versions.

You'd expect everyone to be shining the turd, but they do the opposite.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 11, 2020 09:55 PM (gd9RK)

331 Guy Ritchie did a really interesting take on Arthur and Excalibur. He made it a heist movie! He took liberties with the story but it was a wild ride. And Jude Law never looked sexier as the evil king. Rowrrr.
"Excalibur: Legend of the Sword.' I'd see it again.

Posted by: vivi at January 11, 2020 09:56 PM (11H2y)

332 What are you watching Eris?

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 11, 2020 09:56 PM (CKJmt)

333 331 Guy Ritchie did a really interesting take on Arthur and Excalibur. He made it a heist movie! He took liberties with the story but it was a wild ride. And Jude Law never looked sexier as the evil king. Rowrrr.
"Excalibur: Legend of the Sword.' I'd see it again.
Posted by: vivi at January 11, 2020 09:56 PM (11H2y)

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I thought it was okay.

I like Guy Ritchie's energy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 09:56 PM (zZbCU)

334 Jarts on the Moon would have been cool.

Posted by: klaftern at January 11, 2020 09:57 PM (RuIsu)

335 Dad's at Arlington.

Oh.

Also that came out dickisher than I meant but I'm a fifth grader.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 11, 2020 09:57 PM (gd9RK)

336 Everyone has their own story on what happens in Rashomon.

Posted by: Catoi at January 11, 2020 09:53 PM (BXoJN)


And each one is Trump's fault!

Posted by: Jennifer Rubin at January 11, 2020 09:57 PM (2N7oZ)

337 Guy Ritchie did a really interesting take on Arthur and Excalibur. He made it a heist movie! He took liberties with the story but it was a wild ride. And Jude Law never looked sexier as the evil king. Rowrrr.
"Excalibur: Legend of the Sword.' I'd see it again.
Posted by: vivi at January 11, 2020 09:56 PM (11H2y)

wasn't bad. music very good it has.

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 09:57 PM (zr5Kq)

338 I used to really like Guy Ritchie movies. Nut they started to suck right about the time Madonna happened.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 11, 2020 09:58 PM (1ISKN)

339 I like Guy Ritchie's energy.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 09:56 PM (zZbCU)

I like his Sherlock Holmes.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 09:58 PM (2DOZq)

340 339 I like Guy Ritchie's energy.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 09:56 PM (zZbCU)

I like his Sherlock Holmes.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 09:58 PM (2DOZq)

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I think Game of Shadows is the better of the two. Jared Harris makes a great Moriarty.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 09:58 PM (zZbCU)

341 Holmes was good too. Wasn't Jude Law in it as well ? I forget.

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 09:59 PM (zr5Kq)

342 I guess I had a brush with former astronauts sort of when we fired a Pershing missile from a pad on the old Cape Canaveral site. Loved John Glenn as a kid so it was a pretty cool experience.

Posted by: dartist at January 11, 2020 09:59 PM (K22Va)

343
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 11, 2020 09:57 PM (gd9RK)
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No worries.

Posted by: Weasel at January 11, 2020 09:59 PM (MVjcR)

344 BOth were good !

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 09:59 PM (zr5Kq)

345 Goblin Slayer OP
https://youtu.be/0i0z98M2y5U

One episode is named "There and Back Again."

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 11, 2020 10:00 PM (CKJmt)

346 The most innovative knights movie is A Knight's Tale.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 10:00 PM (2DOZq)

347 Joan Collins would have been almost 50 years old in 1981.


Posted by: Gem at January 11, 2020 10:00 PM (65i3Q)

348 I thought the Moriarty in the BBC Sherlock series was an interesting character.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 11, 2020 10:00 PM (1ISKN)

349 Joan Collins comment was a joke.

Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 10:01 PM (zr5Kq)

350 Holmes was good too. Wasn't Jude Law in it as well ? I forget.
Posted by: runner at January 11, 2020 09:59 PM (zr5Kq)

Dr Watson

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 10:01 PM (2DOZq)

351 Anna, I'm watching Into the White:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1876277/?ref_=rvi_tt

Just finished it. Good, but a tad trite.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at January 11, 2020 10:01 PM (Dc2NZ)

352 346; bullshit. hollywood knights.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at January 11, 2020 10:02 PM (KP5rU)

353 346; bullshit. hollywood knights.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at January 11, 2020 10:02 PM (KP5rU)

Heh. In my top 3 comedies.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 10:03 PM (2DOZq)

354
On the Moon, while you couldn't do it with a rifle, it would be almost possible to fire a artillery shell and have it come back around and hit you from behind.

The trouble is the Moon's gravity is so lumpy (deviating from spherical symmetry) enough that it spiral in that close to the close to the surface and/or hit a mountain or something due the uneven surface that close the ground.

Anyway, it would be almost possible to hit any point on the Moon from any other point with a ballistic trajectory.

All you'd have to do is have some maneuvering thrusters on the payload (a second stage) to do some course correction and you could easily do that. Hit any point with a projectile launched from any other point on the surface.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at January 11, 2020 10:03 PM (f1Vqw)

355 342 I guess I had a brush with former astronauts sort of when we fired a Pershing missile from a pad on the old Cape Canaveral site. Loved John Glenn as a kid so it was a pretty cool experience.
Posted by: dartist at January 11, 2020 09:59 PM (K22Va)
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It was fun to take the tour there during the Shuttle years. I used to know a guy who worked for NASA during the Apollo days, and watched a launch from inside the 2 mile zone or whatever they had. He said he couldn't stand up without holding onto his car.

Posted by: Weasel at January 11, 2020 10:03 PM (MVjcR)

356 James McAvoy in Split is a helluva actor...I'm looking forward to seeing him in Cyrano in the National Theater filmed his performance and it will be shown at theaters in February. I love the story; I've seen the Jose Ferrer version, and a Japanese version with Toshiro Mifume playing Cyrano (Samurai Saga - it was great) and a lousy stage version with Peter Dinkelage that was a total bust. Hope this is good!

Posted by: vivi at January 11, 2020 10:03 PM (11H2y)

357 All you'd have to do is have some maneuvering thrusters on the payload (a second stage) to do some course correction and you could easily do that. Hit any point with a projectile launched from any other point on the surface.

That's why the Nazi base on the Aitken Basin uses radio jammers.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at January 11, 2020 10:04 PM (ykYG2)

358 Posted by: vivi at January 11, 2020 10:03 PM (11H2y)

But he claims he can't get any good roles because he's too short. ( I also think he was really good in Split)

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 10:05 PM (2DOZq)

359 346 The most innovative knights movie is A Knight's Tale.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 11, 2020 10:00 PM (2DOZq)


Oh that movie is so much fun!!!
I watch it all the time!

Posted by: Cheribebe at January 11, 2020 10:06 PM (a4qVe)

360 I'll say this for Kubrick: he took "The Shining" and pared it down to an incredibly tense, creepy movie with relatively little violence. The book goes on and on and on - not to say it's bad, but I think Kubrick did the best book-to-movie adaptation ever.

Posted by: Dr Alice at January 11, 2020 10:07 PM (oW/8k)

361 > It seems like American abandoned space wholesale post Apollo. It's weird really.

Well the powers that be swapped space exploration for diversity.

Dont you feel enriched?

Posted by: Flubber at January 11, 2020 10:11 PM (PQnIX)

362 Oh wow, here is the full OP song with lyrics from Goblin Slayer. It sums up things up quite nicely with some metal thrown in.

https://youtu.be/Fw60PsJrqMQ

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Into the White is not a movie to add to personal collection then Eris?

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 11, 2020 10:12 PM (CKJmt)

363 195 naturalfake
Saw Underwater as well. Bit put off with the exposition over the titles with headlines.
Overall, I thought it as DeepStar Six with a much bigger budget. Mostly disappointing.

For SG, last night I watched Leviathan, another bottom of the sea monster movie.

Posted by: Captain Comic at January 11, 2020 10:12 PM (RIv8p)

364 Nixon and ratings killed the Apollo program.

Apollo-Soyuz happened because it could be done on the cheap using leftover hardware that was paid for but never used to get to the Moon.

We had three whole Apollo/Saturn V assemblies Moon rated. And Nixon shut it all down.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 11, 2020 10:14 PM (CKJmt)

365 On a movie thread, talking about our going to the Moon, The Right Stuff is a great movie (and book).

Great ensemble cast. And it explains why going to the Moon was once such a big deal

The current season of The Crown has the Apollo 11 astronauts visiting the Royals as part of a worldwide goodwill tour. Everyone is in awe

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 11, 2020 10:16 PM (E09mo)

366 Nood

Posted by: JC. Idaho bot. at January 11, 2020 10:16 PM (377Zs)

367 252
Excalibur is, hands down, the best King Arthur movie ever made. And yet, I knew an Arthurian aficionado who could never get past the shiny armor. I believe it captures the spirit of Arthurian legend like no other cinematic attempt.

Yeah, I agree.

I mean, the movie straight off announces this is the realm of legend.

Shiny armor?

Hell, yeah, it's shiny armor. With boar's head helmets and other animal helmets. What about Mordred's golden armor with the Sun God helmet?

The Wagnerian music?

Come on, man. This is a full on, bull goose loony embrace of every bit of magic and fairy lore in the story of Arthur and his Knights.

And it's glorious.

There's a reason why people still watch it and talk about it after 38 or so years.


Ah, yes, the music! Carl Orff, Wagner....

Perhaps the best way to approach Excalibur is as an opera (but without the annoying shrill singing). The emotions, the music, even the sets, are operatic.

Posted by: Catoi at January 11, 2020 10:17 PM (BXoJN)

368 OT, but I'm wondering if QE2 will suggest that Meghan (aka the Douchess of Sussex) take a nice long drive in Paris.

Posted by: vivi at January 11, 2020 10:20 PM (11H2y)

369 I don't think I've enjoyed a single Kubrick film.

I've found some interesting and amusing.

But enjoyed?

Never.

Posted by: Larry Vaughn at January 11, 2020 10:21 PM (gxVQS)

370 I barely got through Red Mars and never felt like reading anything else he ever wrote.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, 003 with a License to Kill at January 11, 2020 09:02 PM (zZbCU)


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Amen brother

Posted by: Darth Randall at January 11, 2020 10:51 PM (/Njku)

371 She didn't. Not right away anyhow. Plus, at the
point, neither Adam nor Eve would've had any point of reference for what
death was anyhow. It was one big setup.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at January 11, 2020 09:16 PM (NWiLs)

They also had no knowledge of "good" OR "evil". They didn't 'fall', they were pushed.

Posted by: Grannymimi at January 11, 2020 10:54 PM (u5LFV)

372 Tarantino did "My Best Friend's Birthday". Not great. Not finished either.

Posted by: ... at January 11, 2020 11:02 PM (rUoFb)

373 "HAL is more human than the astronauts."

"Seriously?....All the drama of an electric toothbrush running out of juice."

The drama comes afterward, when we realize that if HAL had won, "he" would have met the obelisk, gone on to the next stage of directed evolution, and instead of a giant human space fetus return IMG to watch over Earth it would have been a murderous hyperpowerful AI.



Posted by: ogmrobvious at January 11, 2020 11:46 PM (I3gG+)

374 ...Kubrick's film is a tribute to employing black and white photography to its fullest and finest extent. when this was made, it demonstrated the finest contrasts and focus, while controlling depth and shadows to push/ Force the visual right up in your face.
I see it as a cinematography masterpiece.
Alfred knew the power as well.
I watch without sound and sit amazed at the skill portrayed back then.
Thanks for the deep dive into our great masters.

Posted by: Larro at January 12, 2020 02:09 AM (10GNe)

375 364 Nixon and ratings killed the Apollo program.

Apollo-Soyuz happened because it could be done on the cheap using leftover hardware that was paid for but never used to get to the Moon.

We had three whole Apollo/Saturn V assemblies Moon rated. And Nixon shut it all down.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 11, 2020 10:14 PM (CKJmt)


And why not? What strategic or economic reason did we have for continuing to send people to the moon? In those days NASA's budget was far larger than it is today as a percentage of GDP, and there were other priorities.

Posted by: Ace's liver at January 12, 2020 03:23 AM (wGeit)

376 The actor James Frain should play Stanley Kubrick, if they make a movie about him.

Posted by: Just sayin' at January 12, 2020 10:14 PM (+nWCH)

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