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Boris Johnson's Brexit Plan Passes This Time By a Huge 124 Vote Margin; Britain Will Leave EU on January 31st
Johnson's plan seems pretty weak tea to me, but I guess this is the best that can be done. (Nigel Farage took the position that Johnson's version of Brexit was weak, but better than staying in the EU.)
MPs have backed Prime Minister Boris Johnson's plan for the UK to leave the EU on 31 January. They voted 358 to 234 - a majority of 124 - in favour of the EU (Withdrawal Agreement) Bill, which now goes on to further scrutiny in Parliament. The bill would also ban an extension of the transition period - during which the UK is out of the EU but follows many of its rules - past 2020. The PM said the country was now "one step closer to getting Brexit done". Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn told his MPs to vote against the bill, saying there was "a better and fairer way" to leave the EU - but six of them backed the government. Mr Johnson insists a trade deal with the EU can be in place by the end of the transition period, but critics say this timescale is unrealistic.Meanwhile, Scotland wants to declare independence from the UK. I'm in favor of all independence movements, especially in the US.
The people of Scotland have already rejected the U.K.'s political agenda, Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon says -- and now she wants them to vote in a public referendum on leaving the U.K. altogether. Sturgeon says she's sending Prime Minister Boris Johnson a letter formally requesting that Scotland be allowed to hold a vote on its future.The last time they had a vote on independence, in 2014, Scotland voted with a 55% majority to remain part of the UK. But that was when the UK was part of the EU, which might have given Scotland some comfort. They don't like being dominated by their more successful southern cousins, and probably liked the idea that the UK itself was under the thumb of the EU. Now that that's no longer the case, maybe they will vote to leave the UK, and join the EU. At National Review-- which has decided to adopt a Trumpian attitude about its past mistakes, slanders, and credulous belief in conspiracy theories by refusing to admit any previous wrongdoing, calls the Brexit election a realignment. One that appears similar to the one we've already seen in the US.
This was a realignment election -- and because of Brexit. There's been a debate in the Tory party between those (e.g., Tim Montgomerie) who believe that the Tory party could and should win a larger share of working class votes and those who thought (e.g., Matthew Parris) that this was mistaken since the working class is shrinking and there were more voters to be had from moderate conservatives in the well-educated classes. The election has decided that question in favor of those who wanted to go the blue-collar route. The Tories won in all social groups, but the swing to them in Northern working-class constituencies was larger than elsewhere and gave them a near-landslide. And that was for two Brexit-related reasons. First, Brexit was essentially a patriotic cause that appealed to both Tories and blue-collar workers; second, Lb>the contempt for Brexit and its supporters shown by the Labour Party and the left intelligentsia drove home the realization in the working class that they were despised by the very people who claimed to lead them. A realignment of British politics bringing the workers into a new Toryism would probably have happened anyway. Indeed, it has been happening slowly and gradually. But Brexit and this election have accelerated it.I wonder when British conservatives will realize that a substantial faction of the "Conservative" party is itself resolutely anti-conservative and indeed the deadliest enemy to actual conservatism -- as we've now realized in the US.
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(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 05:40 PM (cfSRQ)
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 05:41 PM (cfSRQ)
Posted by: Lizzy at December 20, 2019 05:41 PM (bDqIh)
I wonder when British conservatives will realize that a substantial
faction of the "Conservative" party is itself resolutely
anti-conservative and indeed the deadliest enemy to actual conservatism
-- as we've now realized in the US.
Posted by: Ace
---This has been known since the Tories knifed Margaret Thatcher 30 years ago.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 05:42 PM (cfSRQ)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 20, 2019 05:42 PM (Mf5Sq)
Posted by: rd at December 20, 2019 05:42 PM (+0uDE)
Interestingly, Boris got the Remainers to self-identify so he could have them expelled from the party.
Sort of like what Trump has been doing.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 05:43 PM (cfSRQ)
faction of the "Conservative" party is itself resolutely
anti-conservative and indeed the deadliest enemy to actual conservatism
-- as we've now realized in the US.
Egad, we can't be like the Americans. They're so guache. Not like our sophisticated exports. You know, Benny Hill.
Posted by: The Brits, pushing the sticks further up their asses at December 20, 2019 05:43 PM (T6t7i)
Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 20, 2019 05:43 PM (MqErr)
Posted by: The Brits, pushing the sticks further up their asses at December 20, 2019 05:44 PM (T6t7i)
I'd like to know more about the weaknesses. Probably The Britisher and Demirep will have some insight.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 20, 2019 05:44 PM (13CQC)
Posted by: Blanco Basura -It's OK, I'm with the banned at December 20, 2019 05:45 PM (mLPwd)
The EU won't allow it to go because it will piss off Spain and also cost them money.
This is a big part of why they tried to stop the UK. It is a major cash cow for the bureaucrats.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 05:45 PM (cfSRQ)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 20, 2019 05:45 PM (Mf5Sq)
I wonder when British conservatives will realize that a substantial
faction of the "Conservative" party is itself resolutely
anti-conservative and indeed the deadliest enemy to actual conservatism
-- as we've now realized in the US.
Posted by: Ace
---This has been known since the Tories knifed Margaret Thatcher 30 years ago.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 05:42 PM (cfSRQ)
These Last Four Years have really opened my eyes. They are that mercenary, venal, petty, and short sighted.
Posted by: rd at December 20, 2019 05:45 PM (+0uDE)
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And the Young Ones.
Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 20, 2019 05:45 PM (MqErr)
I could understand still thinking this way in maybe like the 1970s that Democrats/Labour/Left was on "their side", but it's been pretty clear for about 40 years now the Left absolutely hates these people.
Posted by: Blago at December 20, 2019 05:46 PM (sjTfF)
So they can remain dependent on the EU?
Posted by: t-bird at December 20, 2019 05:47 PM (Y9zp1)
Sounds like they voted their way out of it.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 20, 2019 05:48 PM (ZLI7S)
So they can remain dependent on the EU?
Posted by: t-bird
They think the offshore oil and gas will make them rich.
Posted by: Miklos, skeptical at December 20, 2019 05:48 PM (QzkSJ)
There will almost certainly be a US trade deal by the end of 2020.
There is a strong probability of Canadian and Australian deals by the end of 2020, too.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 20, 2019 05:48 PM (I2dne)
I could understand still thinking this way in maybe like the 1970s
that Democrats/Labour/Left was on "their side", but it's been pretty
clear for about 40 years now the Left absolutely hates these people.
Posted by: Blago at December 20, 2019 05:46 PM (sjTfF)
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Party affiliation in Europe is largely about class identity. What the Brexit Party did was ease a lot of Labour-class folks who were fourth-generation supporters into the idea of backing a party they never imagined supporting.
The US is a lot more fluid, which is how West Virginia went from solid Democrat to deep red in 20 years.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 05:48 PM (cfSRQ)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 20, 2019 05:48 PM (sM7X3)
Posted by: t-bird at December 20, 2019 05:47 PM (Y9zp1)
++++++++++++++
Welfare's a helluva drug.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 20, 2019 05:48 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: Archer at December 20, 2019 05:48 PM (gmo/4)
Posted by: Mark1971 at December 20, 2019 05:49 PM (xPl2J)
Posted by: Miklos, skeptical at December 20, 2019 05:48 PM (QzkSJ)
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Except that they're capping the wells. Brent Crude is no longer going to be produced.
Besides, green energy is the EU way.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 05:49 PM (cfSRQ)
Actually I think that suddenly, the Brits are ahead of us. Boris Johnson was able to "De-Select" any Conservative candidates who opposed him going into the Dec. 12 election, meaning he got to throw ALL of the "Remainers" out of his Parliament, unless they came to him on their knees and kissed his ass. (A couple did) Just imagine if Trump could to that to Senators and Congressmen.
(The Brit system has always been far more authoritarian than ours is)
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 20, 2019 05:49 PM (Kpl3J)
Posted by: IC at December 20, 2019 05:49 PM (a0IVu)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 20, 2019 05:48 PM (sM7X3)
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It's like how pinko movie and TV producers make movies and shows with obvious conservative themes and then when they realize it say it's either about how bad conservatives are or how they're some leftist ideal.
It's called "lack of self-awareness and introspection" and we've got it in droves.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 20, 2019 05:49 PM (I2dne)
Oh well......
How soon before the EU goes belly up?
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 20, 2019 05:49 PM (Z+IKu)
Posted by: pep at December 20, 2019 05:50 PM (T6t7i)
Posted by: Miklos, skeptical at December 20, 2019 05:48 PM (QzkSJ)
Isn't that stuff pretty much tapped out already?
Posted by: Mark1971 at December 20, 2019 05:50 PM (xPl2J)
Posted by: t-bird at December 20, 2019 05:50 PM (OiC69)
Ironic that NR is able to identify the issues in Britain without
simultaneously realizing they're part of the same problem in the US.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
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Oh, they realize it, but admitting it would ruin their grift.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 05:50 PM (cfSRQ)
________
Anybody know what the Sturgeon Clan tartan looks like?
Posted by: ShainS at December 20, 2019 05:50 PM (KdWLf)
Posted by: Mark1971 at December 20, 2019 05:49 PM (xPl2J)
Pogue Mahon!
Posted by: The Leader of the Scottish National Party at December 20, 2019 05:50 PM (aS1PU)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 20, 2019 05:50 PM (r+sAi)
They are England's NeverTrumpers.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 20, 2019 05:50 PM (wYseH)
Posted by: tbodie at December 20, 2019 05:51 PM (4RLKt)
Besides, green energy is the EU way.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
Didn't say they are right, but that has been a major pro-independence selling point.
Posted by: Miklos "Angus" McMolnar at December 20, 2019 05:51 PM (QzkSJ)
Alberta is in a depression/recession. Their oil industry is dying.
Alberta is being strangled by Eastern Canadians refusing to build any oil pipelines any where at all. They have also banned tankers from the Pacific Coast too, while Middle East oil is brought up the St. Lawrence Seaway to Quebec.
Alberta also pays billion in Equalization Payments to Quebec and the Maritime Provinces every year.
Posted by: rd at December 20, 2019 05:51 PM (+0uDE)
All the experts said neither would happen
All the experts are again pointing to their Burger King placemats with "expert" written in green crayon telling us once again--Boris winning was going to be a close election; Trump would lose to any Democrat.
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at December 20, 2019 05:51 PM (vPKfA)
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at December 20, 2019 05:52 PM (jBzjd)
I was reading a piece about this a few days ago -- wish I could remember where. Anyway, it was about the parallels with the Tories in the UK vs the GOP here.
Basically the same thing is happening. The working class is aligning with the Tory/GOP while the elites and upper middle class are going Labour/Dem. And both sides despise each other.
This is a major realignment as they say.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at December 20, 2019 05:52 PM (NMAzL)
Theresa May must be stone drunk by 2 pm every day.
Posted by: pep at December 20, 2019 05:50 PM (T6t7i)
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If so, she's a happy drunk. I saw her remarks in Parliament and she was very complimentary towards Boris, congratulating him on his majority, remarking that in her long career she had never been part of such a decisive Tory win.
She was a bad PM, no question, but that was very classy.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 05:52 PM (cfSRQ)
Posted by: Mark1971 at December 20, 2019 05:49 PM (xPl2J)
We were just in Edinbough and went to a nice little place for lunch. I had such a hard time understanding the guy behind the counter that I finally had to resort to pointing to what we wanted on the menu. Which by the way was burgers.
Posted by: Caliban at December 20, 2019 05:52 PM (QE8X6)
Alberta is in a depression/recession. Their oil industry is dying.
Alberta is being strangled by Eastern Canadians refusing to build any oil pipelines any where at all. They have also banned tankers from the Pacific Coast too, while Middle East oil is brought up the St. Lawrence Seaway to Quebec.
Alberta also pays billion in Equalization Payments to Quebec and the Maritime Provinces every year.
Posted by: rd at December 20, 2019 05:51 PM (+0uDE)
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And independent Western Canada would be a powerful resource ally. And if they behave like it seems they want to, they'll be a powerful industrial ally within 20 years.
And we'll need a wall on the eastern half of the border.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 20, 2019 05:53 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: guy who always asks about the Victory Rack at December 20, 2019 05:53 PM (XT6Vl)
Posted by: Miklos
The oil and gas that will be banned by the Cult of the Watermelon in the EU? That oil and gas?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 20, 2019 05:53 PM (GPz65)
OK, so maybe she does have a few good things about her.
Posted by: Blanco Basura -It's OK, I'm with the banned at December 20, 2019 05:53 PM (mLPwd)
And SINCE almost all the Conservative Parliament seats in Scotland were lost, Boris has nothing to lose by telling them to fuck off.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 20, 2019 05:53 PM (Kpl3J)
Posted by: Ben Had at December 20, 2019 05:53 PM (tJujB)
Posted by: Inspector Kemp at December 20, 2019 05:53 PM (+DS2f)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
That would require unanimous agreement of the remaining 27, at least some of which would, at a minimum, use it as massive anti-EU leverage.
Posted by: Miklos, former European at December 20, 2019 05:53 PM (QzkSJ)
Just keep holding elections until you get what you want.
No, fuck you guvnah. There was a referendum and your gay idea lost big time. Like the totalitarians here, they're only interested in democracy as long as it serves them. Otherwise it's to be rejected until such time as they can assume total control and then here comes the gulags.
One interesting thing I've read is that if Scotland leaves the U.K., Labour is dead. Apparently they get an enormous number of seats from Scotland (that may have changed with the SNP). Labour's been in trouble for a long time. I think Gordon Brown was the last Labour leader and that was almost a decade ago.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 20, 2019 05:54 PM (j3npP)
Posted by: Tami at December 20, 2019 05:54 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: Skip at December 20, 2019 05:54 PM (ZCEU2)
Just keep holding elections until you get what you want.
...
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 20, 2019 05:54 PM (j3npP)
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By no means unprecedented.
Posted by: Ireland, serially voting until they approve the Lisbon Treaty at December 20, 2019 05:55 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 20, 2019 05:53 PM (Kpl3J)
That would be 'bugger off'..
Posted by: IC at December 20, 2019 05:55 PM (a0IVu)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 20, 2019 05:55 PM (Mf5Sq)
Alberta is in a depression/recession. Their oil industry is dying.
Alberta is being strangled by Eastern Canadians refusing to build
any oil pipelines any where at all. They have also banned tankers from
the Pacific Coast too, while Middle East oil is brought up the St.
Lawrence Seaway to Quebec.
Alberta also pays billion in Equalization Payments to Quebec and the Maritime Provinces every year.
Posted by: rd at December 20, 2019 05:51 PM (+0uDE)
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Unlike Scotland or Catalonia, the Canadian constitution has a mechanism to do this.
And there rest of Canada can't stop them from going, either.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 05:55 PM (cfSRQ)
William Wallace, hell. The Scots are now the poofter that Longshanks threw out the window.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at December 20, 2019 05:55 PM (NMAzL)
Posted by: pep at December 20, 2019 05:50 PM (T6t7i)
Definitely exposed that she really was never serious about Brexit.
Posted by: buzzion at December 20, 2019 05:56 PM (Z7lwY)
Posted by: Trevor "Freckles" Heath at December 20, 2019 05:57 PM (UVVhC)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 20, 2019 05:57 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: ryukyu at December 20, 2019 05:57 PM (vKhgw)
And there rest of Canada can't stop them from going, either.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 05:55 PM (cfSRQ)
How does British Columbia figure into this? Would they partner with Alberta?
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 20, 2019 05:57 PM (aS1PU)
Posted by: Zombie Idi Amin Dada at December 20, 2019 05:57 PM (Z+IKu)
Posted by: Ben Had at December 20, 2019 05:57 PM (tJujB)
They fall well short of EU membership criteria in terms of debt and deficit as a percentage of GDP; levels of public spending would be alarmingly high too.
Worse, they intend to continue using the British Pound as their official currency after independence, but before joining the EU, and presumably, the Euro.
Meaning they'd have no direct say over their own central bank and fiscal policy, which is arguably a requirement under current EU accession rules.
Sure, the EU could make exceptions for Scotland, but there's no reason to believe they would, as doing so might inflame other regional independence movements on the continent.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at December 20, 2019 05:57 PM (+oVP5)
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at December 20, 2019 05:57 PM (LOq4H)
Scotland? Yeah...your broke , dependent self should go ahead and do that.
You be you, Scotland.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 20, 2019 05:58 PM (rBtIz)
leaves the U.K., Labour is dead. Apparently they get an enormous number
of seats from Scotland (that may have changed with the SNP). Labour's
been in trouble for a long time. I think Gordon Brown was the last
Labour leader and that was almost a decade ago.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 20, 2019 05:54 PM (j3npP)
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Yes, without Scotland, the Tories would have a massive majority. Labour lost seats to the SNP, but that's because their policies are both socialist in nature.
SNP wants more welfare and someone else to pay for it.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 05:58 PM (cfSRQ)
Alberta is in a depression/recession. Their oil industry is dying.
Alberta is being strangled by Eastern Canadians refusing to build
any oil pipelines any where at all. They have also banned tankers from
the Pacific Coast too, while Middle East oil is brought up the St.
Lawrence Seaway to Quebec.
Alberta also pays billion in Equalization Payments to Quebec and the Maritime Provinces every year.
Posted by: rd at December 20, 2019 05:51 PM (+0uDE)
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Unlike Scotland or Catalonia, the Canadian constitution has a mechanism to do this.
And there rest of Canada can't stop them from going, either.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 05:55 PM (cfSRQ)
True
Posted by: Northernlurker at December 20, 2019 05:58 PM (Fl07M)
Posted by: Jonah G at December 20, 2019 05:59 PM (yhf6w)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 20, 2019 05:59 PM (zBaqJ)
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at December 20, 2019 05:59 PM (3Qi9D)
slanders, and credulous belief in conspiracy theories by refusing to
admit any previous wrongdoing..."
Is this something previously complained of about Trump? I honestly don't remember hearing that particular descriptor of him, but it's entirely possible I missed it.
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at December 20, 2019 06:00 PM (jjaLl)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 20, 2019 06:00 PM (Ga1pA)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 20, 2019 05:59 PM (zBaqJ)
Ummmmmmmmmmm......Yes.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 20, 2019 06:00 PM (Z+IKu)
These things never last.
Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at December 20, 2019 06:00 PM (lcoiC)
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 20, 2019 05:57 PM (aS1PU)
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Any province can decide to secede. This was written into the Canadian constitution to assuage Quebec, but it wasn't limited to them.
So yes, BC and Alberta could secede and then enter into a federation.
The US would then offer recognition and trade rights, as well as pipeline access. Maybe even cut a canal for them during the reign of Barron II so that they can have a deep water port.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 06:01 PM (cfSRQ)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 20, 2019 06:01 PM (r+sAi)
There will almost certainly be a US trade deal by the end of 2020.
There is a strong probability of Canadian and Australian deals by the end of 2020, too.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 20, 2019 05:48 PM (I2dne)
The Commonwealth of Nations, plus the USA? Not bad.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 20, 2019 06:01 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 05:40 PM (cfSRQ)
Boom! > First!
Posted by: Max Power at December 20, 2019 06:01 PM (q177U)
A fishy plaid, or a plaid fish. Smells funny either way.
Posted by: henry at December 20, 2019 06:02 PM (J3Rfi)
Posted by: pep at December 20, 2019 05:50 PM (T6t7i)
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If so, she's a happy drunk. I saw her remarks in Parliament and she was very complimentary towards Boris, congratulating him on his majority, remarking that in her long career she had never been part of such a decisive Tory win.
She was a bad PM, no question, but that was very classy.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 05:52 PM (cfSRQ)
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I wonder if she thinks that she should have quit a few years ago when Boris first challenged her.
Just like Hillary, she was trapped into sticking around because her "donors and supporters" wanted their bribes to pay out.
Posted by: rd at December 20, 2019 06:02 PM (+0uDE)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 20, 2019 06:02 PM (Ga1pA)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 20, 2019 06:01 PM (ujg0T)
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It worked during WWII.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 20, 2019 06:02 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at December 20, 2019 06:03 PM (lcoiC)
Let me be the first to say that Joseph Mifsud Didn't Kill Himself, or, JMDKH.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 20, 2019 06:03 PM (ZBd2j)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 20, 2019 06:03 PM (zBaqJ)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 20, 2019 06:02 PM (Ga1pA)
++++++++++++
I am willing to give up California if the Dems just quit moving out and flooding the rest of the western states.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 20, 2019 06:03 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 20, 2019 05:57 PM (aS1PU)
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Any province can decide to secede. This was written into the Canadian constitution to assuage Quebec, but it wasn't limited to them.
So yes, BC and Alberta could secede and then enter into a federation.
The US would then offer recognition and trade rights, as well as pipeline access. Maybe even cut a canal for them during the reign of Barron II so that they can have a deep water port.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 06:01 PM (cfSRQ)
I always wondered if the snotty Quebecois seceded, would the Snow Goose of the North get carved up. The Maritime Provinces and Newfoundland were their own British colony until 1949, IIRC.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 20, 2019 06:03 PM (ujg0T)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g282ALes-20
Who promises: "scantily clad chicks dancing around in what looks like a satanic ritual" ... don't blink or you'll miss it.
Starring "Paulo".
Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at December 20, 2019 06:03 PM (XzVUd)
Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at December 20, 2019 06:04 PM (XzVUd)
Thumbs up for Sean Connery
Thumbs down for the Bay City Rollers
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 20, 2019 06:03 PM (zBaqJ)
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You wanna know what hell is, folks? It's Andy Gibb singing, "Shadow Dancing" for eons and eons. And you have to wear orange plaid flare bell-bottoms and sit next to the Bay City Rollers.
How's it going? This is gonna SUCK!
Posted by: Dennis Leary at December 20, 2019 06:05 PM (I2dne)
The
US would then offer recognition and trade rights, as well as pipeline
access. Maybe even cut a canal for them during the reign of Barron II so
that they can have a deep water port.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
Don't hold your breath on BC, like the State of Washington, the left side runs the show.
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at December 20, 2019 06:05 PM (LOq4H)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 20, 2019 06:03 PM (zBaqJ)
Shoulda saved this comment for Saturday night.
Posted by: tbodie at December 20, 2019 06:05 PM (4RLKt)
Just the newfies.
Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at December 20, 2019 06:05 PM (XzVUd)
Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at December 20, 2019 06:05 PM (lcoiC)
The SNP is a party that has had a free hand since they are responsible for nothing, and there is no Scottish party that opposes them. Increasingly, the Tories and Labor are seen as foreign parties, but they don't yet have competing parties based on local national issues. Thus the SNP's loonyness has no brakes on it.
Likely as things cool down the urge among actual Scots to leave will be discovered to be far less than the SNP claims. Perhaps what they need are other Scots parties to allow this to be expressed.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2019 06:05 PM (eoQWY)
These things never last.
Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at December 20, 2019 06:00 PM (lcoiC)
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The realignment came in 1980 and it lasted until 1992, when the end of the Cold War caused a new alignment to emerge.
From 1992 to 2016 it's been closely divided and somewhat fluid, with each side gaining only narrow wins. Trump may be building a larger and more stable coalition because he's not just appealing to working class whites but also minorities. If Trump gets 30 percent of the black vote he will destroy the Dems.
Most national polling isn't catching this because they assume that if they get 30 percent black support for Trump they've got a bad sample.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 06:05 PM (cfSRQ)
Let me be the first to say that Joseph Mifsud Didn't Kill Himself, or, JMDKH.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 20, 2019 06:03 PM (ZBd2j)
Gab is a great news resource.
Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 20, 2019 06:05 PM (frty6)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 20, 2019 06:03 PM (ujg0T)
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They *did* secede. Lasted a couple of days, I think.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 20, 2019 06:05 PM (I2dne)
Meaning they'd have no direct say over their own central bank and fiscal policy, which is arguably a requirement under current EU accession rules.
Posted by: Walter Freeman
That's nuts. I'm not sure why the UK would allow them to do so. It would put the remaining UK in as a dangerous situation as the new Scotland.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 20, 2019 06:05 PM (GPz65)
Posted by: rah at December 20, 2019 06:06 PM (QGdgs)
Thumbs down for the Bay City Rollers
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 20, 2019 06:03 PM (zBaqJ)
Shoulda saved this comment for Saturday night.
Posted by: tbodie at December 20, 2019 06:05 PM (4RLKt)
...SATURDAY NIGHT!
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at December 20, 2019 06:06 PM (jjaLl)
Posted by: garrett at December 20, 2019 06:06 PM (Rm2st)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 20, 2019 06:01 PM
Not unless they dynamite the "human rights tribunals" and hang the members first.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 20, 2019 06:06 PM (rBtIz)
Posted by: 13times at December 20, 2019 06:06 PM (K3B2k)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 20, 2019 06:06 PM (r+sAi)
Is for laugh.
Posted by: the Greeks at December 20, 2019 06:06 PM (QzkSJ)
So yes, BC and Alberta could secede and then enter into a federation.
The US would then offer recognition and trade rights, as well as pipeline access. Maybe even cut a canal for them during the reign of Barron II so that they can have a deep water port.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 06:01 PM (cfSRQ)
We're going to need an expeditionary force to drive the Chinese and hippies out of Vancouver.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 20, 2019 06:06 PM (j3npP)
The actual guy or just the alias?
Posted by: garrett at December 20, 2019 06:07 PM (Rm2st)
This goes double because, unlike the EU treaty, the union of England and Scotland has no provisions for a breakup.
The UK government has no reasons to give in on any point.
Also, there is no need to hurry. Currently tempers are high, so a 20-year delay to carefully consider all possibilities seems advisable.
Posted by: PG at December 20, 2019 06:07 PM (XGl/k)
Thumbs up for Sean Connery
Thumbs down for the Bay City Rollers
And two thumbs up for scotch!
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at December 20, 2019 06:07 PM (qc+VF)
And of Course Judas Roberts, Bushie Trash, appoints a Obama Judge to replace her
Posted by: Jonah at December 20, 2019 06:07 PM (HrSJb)
Posted by: bittergeek at December 20, 2019 06:07 PM (G2Ptb)
I got this.
Posted by: Juan de Fuca at December 20, 2019 06:07 PM (Rm2st)
Last night in the debate Yang said that the GDP was not reflective of the economy.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 20, 2019 06:07 PM (tJujB)
Posted by: Regular joe at December 20, 2019 06:08 PM (6/uwW)
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Well, Angela Merkel can be her booze buddy.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 20, 2019 06:08 PM (+y/Ru)
Dems still controlled the house 1980 to 1992. As well as a large majority of state legislatures and the Reagan was an anomaly in an otherwise Democrat hold of politics from the 70s to the 90s.
Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at December 20, 2019 06:08 PM (lcoiC)
Posted by: The FIB at December 20, 2019 06:08 PM (Mf5Sq)
Posted by: Muldoon at December 20, 2019 06:08 PM (m45I2)
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at December 20, 2019 06:07 PM (qc+VF)
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On each hand!
Whoa, maybe I need to cut back...
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 06:09 PM (cfSRQ)
Last night in the debate Yang said that the GDP was not reflective of the economy.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 20, 2019 06:07 PM (tJujB)
+++++++++++++
He isn't entirely wrong. GDP is a deeply flawed measure, as is GNP.
There's loads wrong with both of them, but a key failure they share is that the count government spending as an input.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 20, 2019 06:09 PM (I2dne)
Just heard the same thing. What a shocker!
"Sara Carter reporting that Eyetalian prosecutors believe that Joseph Mifsud is dead.
Let me be the first to say that Joseph Mifsud Didn't Kill Himself, or, JMDKH."
Posted by: Behest at December 20, 2019 06:09 PM (AJ/mV)
I wonder when British conservatives will realize that a substantial faction of the "Conservative" party is itself resolutely anti-conservative and indeed the deadliest enemy to actual conservatism -- as we've now realized in the US.
Boris did, in the fall, purge all the remainer party leaders from their cabinet jobs. The result was they split on a vote and he purged them from the Party, losing his majority. All of them lost their bids to get back into Parliament in the recent election.
So while I doubt he got them all, he does have a start at solving that problem already.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2019 06:09 PM (eoQWY)
Carnival Glory just crashed into Carnival Legend and almost crashed into Oasis of the Seas at the Cozumel cruise port.
Video: https://tinyurl.com/temj2r5
Posted by: Tami at December 20, 2019 06:09 PM (cF8AT)
And Biden said people weren't really happy with the economy. These people are pathetic.
Posted by: Jewells45 at December 20, 2019 06:09 PM (dUJdY)
Posted by: Scottish Minister Montgomery Scott at December 20, 2019 06:10 PM (FVe/l)
Thumbs down for the Bay City Rollers
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 20, 2019 06:03 PM (zBaqJ)
Shoulda saved this comment for Saturday night.
Posted by: tbodie at December 20, 2019 06:05 PM (4RLKt)
...SATURDAY NIGHT!
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at December 20, 2019 06:06 PM (jjaLl)
That's alright for fighting.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 20, 2019 06:10 PM (1CjJc)
Posted by: Muldoon at December 20, 2019 06:10 PM (m45I2)
I do like their tape.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 20, 2019 06:08 PM (m45I2)
I can't stop laughing.
I've always been partial to their broth.
Posted by: Ladyl at December 20, 2019 06:10 PM (TdMsT)
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 20, 2019 05:57 PM (aS1PU)
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Any province can decide to secede. This was written into the Canadian constitution to assuage Quebec, but it wasn't limited to them.
So yes, BC and Alberta could secede and then enter into a federation.
The US would then offer recognition and trade rights, as well as pipeline access. Maybe even cut a canal for them during the reign of Barron II so that they can have a deep water port.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 06:01 PM (cfSRQ)
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Except that BC is the Canadian California, a completely Prog-tarded province. They refuse pipelines to, and tankers to port on their Pacific coast.
Saskatchewan, east of Alberta may want to secede to.
I would think Yukon, NW Territory, and large parts of rural Ontario and Manitoba would have similar sentiments for secession?
Sort of like Upstate NY vs NYC, and LA and Frisco versus the rest of California.
Posted by: rd at December 20, 2019 06:10 PM (+0uDE)
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 05:55 PM (cfSRQ)
Despite the massive anger against Trudeau in the West, I'm not sure you'd get a decisive majority for Wexit. And you'd need it. Corporate Canada would have a full scale freakout because it would destroy Canada's independent Pacific trade, so they'd pull out all the stops against it.
I don't think it will get to that point, though. Trudeau is under pressure from his left, but his masters won't let him destroy the country. They'd install the Conservatives first (who are really just the Liberals with slightly more responsibility and vastly inferior branding).
Posted by: trev006 at December 20, 2019 06:10 PM (su29i)
This is not how you dock.
Posted by: Don Lemon at December 20, 2019 06:10 PM (Rm2st)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 20, 2019 06:10 PM (ujg0T)
That's because they live in a fantasy land, populated with fairies and purple double dong unicorns.
Posted by: freaked at December 20, 2019 06:10 PM (Tnijr)
Posted by: Jonah at December 20, 2019 06:10 PM (HrSJb)
And Biden said people weren't really happy with the economy. These people are pathetic.
Posted by: Jewells45 at December 20, 2019 06:09 PM (dUJdY)
They are economic illiterates. And they think the rest of us are as stupid as them.
Posted by: IC at December 20, 2019 06:10 PM (a0IVu)
Posted by: bittergeek at December 20, 2019 06:07 PM (G2Ptb)
Maybe Trump can buy them, like Greenland and the rest of Denmark.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2019 06:10 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Ben Had at December 20, 2019 06:11 PM (tJujB)
Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at December 20, 2019 06:11 PM (lcoiC)
And Biden said people weren't really happy with the economy. These people are pathetic.
And that Trump's economy is only 'for the rich.'
Because 'the rich' are all about the employment rate to hold on to their jobs.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 20, 2019 06:11 PM (FVe/l)
well as a large majority of state legislatures and the Reagan was an
anomaly in an otherwise Democrat hold of politics from the 70s to the
90s.
Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at December 20, 2019 06:08 PM (lcoiC)
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The Dems controlled the House from (IIRC) 1952 to 1994.
The GOP/Dem divide wasn't a great because of the Cold War. You had a lot of conservative Democrats who would form a coalition with GOP types. Basically party ID wasn't as important.
Hence the term "Reagan Democrats."
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 06:11 PM (cfSRQ)
Posted by: garrett at December 20, 2019 06:11 PM (Rm2st)
Posted by: Ben Had at December 20, 2019 06:07 PM
No more Yang-ky my wanky.
Posted by: Long Duc Dong at December 20, 2019 06:11 PM (rBtIz)
Posted by: freaked at December 20, 2019 06:11 PM (Tnijr)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 20, 2019 06:11 PM (Mf5Sq)
The deep state is deep. And cold too.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 20, 2019 06:12 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at December 20, 2019 06:08 PM (lcoiC)
Back then there were still lots of "Boll Weevils", "Joe Sixpacks", and "Blue Dogs" who were non-communist or often even anti-Communist. They have gone extinct since then.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 20, 2019 06:12 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Great Reagan's Deplorable Ghost at December 20, 2019 06:12 PM (AJ/mV)
Carnival Glory just crashed into Carnival Legend and almost crashed into Oasis of the Seas at the Cozumel cruise port.
Video: https://tinyurl.com/temj2r5
Posted by: Tami at December 20, 2019 06:09 PM (cF8AT)
What? Did they join the US Navy?
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 20, 2019 06:12 PM (aS1PU)
Posted by: Jonah at December 20, 2019 06:12 PM (HrSJb)
Posted by: Skip at December 20, 2019 06:12 PM (ZCEU2)
I don't know much about Scotland.
I do like their tape.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 20, 2019 06:08 PM (m45I2)
We'll have no more of that!
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 20, 2019 06:12 PM (1CjJc)
"Scotland" can have independence with that thin line between Glasgow and Edinburgh; and throw in the sheep shaggers northwest of them. Otherwise, lolgf.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at December 20, 2019 06:13 PM (ykYG2)
Posted by: Great Reagan's Deplorable Ghost at December 20, 2019 06:13 PM (AJ/mV)
Posted by: Jonah at December 20, 2019 06:13 PM (HrSJb)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 20, 2019 06:12 PM (ujg0T)
+++++++++++++
I often wonder if this is how we got the "neocons" coming up in the 80's. That they weren't Republicans and weren't conservatives - they were anticommunist liberals looking for safe haven in the Republican party.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 20, 2019 06:13 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: Ben Had at December 20, 2019 06:13 PM (tJujB)
The actual guy or just the alias?
Posted by: garrett at December 20, 2019 06:07 PM (Rm2st)
Hopefully Dunham and Guilliani kidnapped him to the US.
Maybe he committed suicide like Epstein?
Posted by: rd at December 20, 2019 06:13 PM (+0uDE)
Posted by: jsg at December 20, 2019 06:13 PM (Ff769)
Highland Fling - a limerick
A Scottish bagpiper named Tuck
Played at home. Said his folks, "Just our luck!"
"Ach, mon", said his dad
"That's not music my lad
It sounds like you're strangling a duck!!"
Posted by: Muldoon at December 20, 2019 06:14 PM (m45I2)
Posted by: Jewells45 at December 20, 2019 06:14 PM (dUJdY)
West, I'm not sure you'd get a decisive majority for Wexit. And you'd
need it. Corporate Canada would have a full scale freakout because it
would destroy Canada's independent Pacific trade, so they'd pull out all
the stops against it.
I don't think it will get to that point, though. Trudeau is under
pressure from his left, but his masters won't let him destroy the
country. They'd install the Conservatives first (who are really just the
Liberals with slightly more responsibility and vastly inferior
branding).
Posted by: trev006 at December 20, 2019 06:10 PM (su29i)
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Corporate Canada is heading for the exits. All the oil and gas companies are moving to the US and shutting down operations. GM just shut down an auto plant that's been open since 1908 or something.
Justin wants to hand the country over to the ChiComs. He wants to be a colony of Beijing. I don't think Alberta is just going to sit there and take it.
They are in a deep recession locally and those jobs won't come back. Ever. Trudeau has spoken. No pipelines. Ever. Oil is icky.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 06:14 PM (cfSRQ)
How was your day?
Could you pass the salt?
Is that a hint of Rosemary?
...
?
Posted by: garrett at December 20, 2019 06:14 PM (Rm2st)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 20, 2019 06:14 PM (I2dne)
Maybe he committed suicide like Epstein?
Posted by: rd at December 20, 2019 06:13 PM (+0uDE)
Witness protection? I'd give Barr a little more leeway if that was the case.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 20, 2019 06:14 PM (1CjJc)
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at December 20, 2019 06:14 PM (BRpqW)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 20, 2019 06:10 PM (ujg0T)
Lords pretty much lost their function in the early 1900s when Parilament forced them to lose their ability to block legislation at all, if the main house overrid them.
Tony Blair then did some crazy loosening by packing the Lords with a bunch of liberal nuts rather than having it be respected elder statesman/landholders. So now it is like a poisonous faculty lounge. It doesn't represent anything.
Boris might try and reform it somehow, not sure how.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2019 06:14 PM (eoQWY)
Seriously, they would get about half of UK's north sea fields (after a lengthy argument where they would claim most of the fields,...) and go full tilt nationalization and socialism. What a shame this would be to a great people. In 20 years they will be moving South in order to eat.
The EU will throw a hairy, but BJ should let them have there will good and hard by paving the way for the UK to approve them leaving, that would mean Spain would have less reason to bitch. Imagine the vipers of Brussels drooling over the north sea cash? It would be layers and layers of socialism -- the best kind!
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at December 20, 2019 06:15 PM (LWu6U)
Posted by: Skip at December 20, 2019 06:12 PM (ZCEU2)
Japan?
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 20, 2019 06:15 PM (Z+IKu)
Germany runs the EU. Do you think they will give free checks to the drunks in Glasgow
Posted by: Jonah at December 20, 2019 06:15 PM (HrSJb)
Didn't kill himself.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 20, 2019 06:16 PM (FVe/l)
Letters to the Editor: Democrats wasted the country's time by impeaching Trump
https://lat.ms/2Q03l1W
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 20, 2019 06:16 PM (+y/Ru)
I think you mean the Elite Scotchgard.
The 5th most lethal fighting force in the world now that the Iranian Republican Guard has disbanded.
Posted by: garrett at December 20, 2019 06:16 PM (Rm2st)
I'm thinking states-hood, myself.
Posted by: t-bird at December 20, 2019 06:16 PM (g0Lfb)
Wonder where more scotch gets sold, the USA or Europe
Posted by: Skip at December 20, 2019 06:12 PM (ZCEU2)
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Didn't Trump put a 25% tariff on Scotch because of the Airbus subsidy issue?
Posted by: rd at December 20, 2019 06:16 PM (+0uDE)
Presiding FISA Judge Rosemary Collyer is stepping down after rare public rebuke of the FBI and will be replaced by an Obama appointed judge.
https://tinyurl.com/wnj8hb8
Posted by: redridinghood at December 20, 2019 06:16 PM (wiXsO)
DM has video of the Carnival crash:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7814605
They must have hired the US Navy drivers.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at December 20, 2019 06:16 PM (NMAzL)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis
Iceback Pershing?
Posted by: Miklos, wanting another Pig War at December 20, 2019 06:16 PM (QzkSJ)
How was your day?
Could you pass the salt?
Is that a hint of Rosemary?
...
?
Posted by: garrett
"Whose panties are those on your head?"
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at December 20, 2019 06:16 PM (LOq4H)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 20, 2019 06:16 PM (Mf5Sq)
Posted by: Gurta Thornbutt at December 20, 2019 06:16 PM (v0R5T)
...
Posted by: Muldoon at December 20, 2019 06:14 PM (m45I2)
That didn't go where I thought it would with a first line ending in "Tuck".
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 20, 2019 06:16 PM (aS1PU)
Posted by: Jonah at December 20, 2019 06:16 PM (HrSJb)
I hope we got some info before he shot himself in the back
Posted by: It's me donna at December 20, 2019 06:16 PM (knGGM)
Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at December 20, 2019 06:17 PM (lcoiC)
These things never last.
Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member
____________
maybe, but the UK is like 90% white.
If America was 90% white, we would have a realignment that stuck. Trump would have won like 48 states with a 1984 demographic.
The UK has an immigration problem, but it's not a million illegals going over their border every year.
Posted by: Blago at December 20, 2019 06:17 PM (sjTfF)
Oh and, F^*K globalism.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 20, 2019 06:17 PM (7Fj9P)
Family lore says they decided to come to the colonies because there was a rumor that they have sunlight there.
What stayed behind is rotten haggis wrapped a shit stained tartan.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 20, 2019 06:17 PM (j3npP)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 20, 2019 06:12 PM (ujg0T)
+++++++++++++
I often wonder if this is how we got the "neocons" coming up in the 80's. That they weren't Republicans and weren't conservatives - they were anticommunist liberals looking for safe haven in the Republican party.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 20, 2019 06:13 PM (I2dne)
There WERE a host of erstwhile Democrats switching parties after 1994, but IIRC the intellectual roots of the Neo-Cons were erstwhile Leftist Jews (mostly) who were "mugged by (the) reality" of what Stalin and Khrushchev were doing, as William F. Buckley put it.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 20, 2019 06:17 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 20, 2019 06:17 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: Jonah at December 20, 2019 06:17 PM (HrSJb)
and right before Xmas
nice people
Posted by: REDACTED at December 20, 2019 06:17 PM (rpxSz)
https://thewhiskeywash.com/whiskey-styles/ scotch-whiskey/ 25-scotch-whisky-import-tariff-takes-effect-in-united-states/
Posted by: rd at December 20, 2019 06:18 PM (+0uDE)
Posted by: garrett at December 20, 2019 06:18 PM (Rm2st)
Posted by: Jonah at December 20, 2019 06:18 PM (HrSJb)
Posted by: Jonah at December 20, 2019 06:10 PM (HrSJb)
No, the remainers are gone. Your numbers are wrong as well - 352 of the 365 Tory MP's were present and voted today. Not a single Tory voted against. As to the missing 13, they were for some reason or other (illness, travel) unable to be in London today, and knowing that they already had a huge majority, BoJo didn't give them any grief about it.
Overall, over 50 MP's from all parties didn't make it to the vote today. But the vast majority of the Tories did.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 20, 2019 06:18 PM (Kpl3J)
Posted by: Skip at December 20, 2019 06:19 PM (ZCEU2)
Ever blow your nose and miss the handkerchief entirely?
Yeah. That's the kind of day I'm having. Definitely time for an adult beverage.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 20, 2019 06:19 PM (axyOa)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 20, 2019 06:06 PM (r+sAi)
Oh yes, although the stabbers are new. The Rape gangs have been endemic for a decade or more, covered up by the right-thinking people. After all, they are just lower class white girls.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2019 06:19 PM (eoQWY)
"The people of Scotland have already rejected the U.K.'s political agenda, Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon says -- and now she wants them to vote in a public referendum on leaving the U.K. altogether. ..."
I take it, then, that Boris Johnson is / will be looking at rebuilding Hadrian's Wall.
Posted by: Arbalest at December 20, 2019 06:19 PM (FlRtG)
Oh and, F^*K globalism.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 20, 2019 06:17 PM (7Fj9P)
++++++++++++
Short term, nothing.
If the UK succeeds, though, it's gonna make other countries under the yolk start thinking along similar lines.
If it goes for Britain, I suspect that the Dutch will start moving that direction, as will places like Finland (even though it doesn't exist).
I don't think it implodes, but it might just sort of melt away and leave the impotent Eurocrats fuming away in tiny and useless fury.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 20, 2019 06:19 PM (I2dne)
Not trying to be snarky but have you been to London or Manchester in the past 15 years? I have often. It is not you fathers UK.
Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at December 20, 2019 06:19 PM (lcoiC)
Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2019 06:10 PM (eoQWY)
Aye laddie, since the Donald is a Scot he'd be interested, but he'll only buy Scotland if they cut the price!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at December 20, 2019 06:20 PM (BiNEL)
Ever blow your nose and miss the handkerchief entirely?
Yeah. That's the kind of day I'm having. Definitely time for an adult beverage.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 20, 2019 06:19 PM (axyOa)
You can be rather phlegmatic.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 20, 2019 06:20 PM (NWiLs)
Ever blow your nose and miss the handkerchief entirely?
Yeah. That's the kind of day I'm having. Definitely time for an adult beverage.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 20, 2019 06:19 PM (axyOa)
What's a handkerchief?
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 20, 2019 06:20 PM (aS1PU)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 20, 2019 06:20 PM (Mf5Sq)
The EU won't allow it to go because it will piss off Spain and also cost them money.
This is a big part of why they tried to stop the UK. It is a major cash cow for the bureaucrats.
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Scotland's best shot was when oil was over twice the price it is now. And even then they weren't rolling in dough.
They are going to need a Prime Minister. I nominate Retard McChuckleFuck.
I can't take credit for the name as I'm stealing it. But I think the name fits.
Posted by: Groundhog at December 20, 2019 06:20 PM (VYwSh)
I've done that. Except it wasn't my nose...
Can I borrow your handkerchief?
Posted by: Pete Buttigieg at December 20, 2019 06:20 PM (Rm2st)
Posted by: Jonah at December 20, 2019 06:16 PM (HrSJb)
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Britain was neutered BY the two big wars.
Posted by: rd at December 20, 2019 06:20 PM (+0uDE)
Posted by: Jonah at December 20, 2019 06:16 PM (HrSJb)
I understand that.
I have always wondered what would happen if they made it into a Senate like structure, where Scotland, Wales, Ireland, etc. would get their seats. Would that put a cork in the Separatist nonsense? (And Welsh separatists are even stupider than Scottish ones)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 20, 2019 06:20 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 20, 2019 06:21 PM (2DOZq)
Antonine Wall. The southern 'Scots' - the Rievers - voted for his Party.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at December 20, 2019 06:21 PM (ykYG2)
He's listed on Epstein's flight logs. Could be a willing Deep Stater, but either way...
Posted by: t-bird at December 20, 2019 06:21 PM (CE5C/)
I blame low level harbor pilots from the Cincinnati office.
Posted by: Cap'n Miklos at December 20, 2019 06:21 PM (QzkSJ)
Letters to the Editor: Democrats wasted the country's time by impeaching Trump
https://lat.ms/2Q03l1W
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 20, 2019 06:16 PM (+y/Ru)
**************
There are still a lot of people on Twitter and I can only assume across the country that think he can't
run for office in 2020.
Posted by: redridinghood at December 20, 2019 06:21 PM (wiXsO)
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The Germans called the Scots "The Ladies from Hell" in WWI. I think their testosterone pool was drained after that.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 20, 2019 06:21 PM (7Fj9P)
Besides sinecures and regular cruise ship "working" vacations.
Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at December 20, 2019 06:21 PM (xmKbk)
They are in a deep recession locally and those jobs won't come back. Ever. Trudeau has spoken. No pipelines. Ever. Oil is icky.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 06:14 PM (cfSRQ)
I don't even think America would tolerate a Chinese satrapy to the north. That's when the tanks would roll in.
I happen to think Trudeau is playing a fine balancing act, but I've been wrong before. Either way, Wexit won't be happening that soon, and events in America will completely eclipse whatever happens in Canada.
Posted by: trev006 at December 20, 2019 06:22 PM (su29i)
Posted by: What's his face Yang at December 20, 2019 06:23 PM (7Fj9P)
Posted by: It's me donna at December 20, 2019 06:16 PM (knGGM)
There's an FBI field manual that describes exactly how you do this!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at December 20, 2019 06:23 PM (BiNEL)
Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at December 20, 2019 06:23 PM (lcoiC)
Posted by: kurt's imaginary waifu at December 20, 2019 06:23 PM (ykYG2)
Besides sinecures and regular cruise ship "working" vacations.
Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at December 20, 2019 06:21 PM (xmKbk)
Come to think of it, that isn't unlike our GOPee, Globalists, once called "The Eastern Establishment" in Goldwater days.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 20, 2019 06:23 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Ben Had at December 20, 2019 06:07 PM
..........
Dear Mr. Yang
Please send my first year of $5000 per month checks to
wth
c/o General Delivery
Manta, Ecuador
If all checks arrive on time I promise I'll vote for you next November. No really, I promise.
P.S. As Ecuador uses the American dollar, cash is acceptable.
Posted by: wth at December 20, 2019 06:24 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Inspector Kemp at December 20, 2019 06:24 PM (+DS2f)
Posted by: Jewells45 at December 20, 2019 06:24 PM (dUJdY)
Was it in your hand and you forgot about the salad bar's sneeze guard? Yeah, happens to everyone.
Posted by: t-bird at December 20, 2019 06:24 PM (Y9zp1)
Posted by: Skip at December 20, 2019 06:19 PM (ZCEU2)
I haven't seen any price hikes either. Yet. Johnny Walker was even a buck cheaper at Total Winos.
Maybe the warehouses were filled before October.
Just like all the Black Friday cheap Chinese crap beat the tariffs this year too?
Posted by: rd at December 20, 2019 06:24 PM (+0uDE)
Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at December 20, 2019 06:25 PM (lcoiC)
Posted by: Tami at December 20, 2019 06:09 PM (cF8AT)
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Eh, a hot iron and a buffing wheel will take care of that!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 20, 2019 06:25 PM (sM7X3)
Posted by: Muldoon at December 20, 2019 06:25 PM (m45I2)
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at December 20, 2019 06:25 PM (oAY8z)
Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at December 20, 2019 06:25 PM (XzVUd)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 20, 2019 06:26 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: Jewells45 at December 20, 2019 06:24 PM (dUJdY)
They be up!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at December 20, 2019 06:27 PM (BiNEL)
213 What's a handkerchief?
Green kleenex
Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at December 20, 2019 06:25 PM (XzVUd)
Green kleenex is a farmer's handkerchief.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 20, 2019 06:27 PM (1CjJc)
I hope we got some info before he shot himself in the back
Posted by: It's me donna at December 20, 2019 06:16 PM (knGGM)
This is amazing - but there are several possibilities here. I recall that he had reportedly gone to the Italian Government for "Protection", which was why Barr was able to meet him.
my top 3 theories:
1) the most obvious, his enemies found him and He Sleeps wit da Italian Fishies,
2) he's been allowed to do a "Burn Notice" type exit and this is part of the deal to get him out of circulation, and
3) my personal favorite: "Joseph Mifsud" never actually existed, other than as a character played by multiple agents over the years operating in the Mediterranean. If this is the case, the name has become too notorious and is being retired.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 20, 2019 06:27 PM (Kpl3J)
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at December 20, 2019 06:27 PM (oAY8z)
Balcones Distillery out of Waco makes a credible, tariff-free single malt.
https://balconesdistilling.com/spirit/texas-single-malt-whisky/
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at December 20, 2019 06:27 PM (qc+VF)
Mainly because they get their wealth sucked out of them and sent eastward. And they realize that it won't change anytime soon.
A deep depression caused by Nationalist Canadian government policies, I would speculate, keeps that idea to the front of many Albertan minds.
And yeah, Vancouver BC is politically close to the Capitol Hill area of Seattle.
Ten Years After long ago had the most descriptive lyrics that actually described present day Capitol Hill:
Everywhere is freaks and hairies
Dykes and fairies, tell me where is sanity
Tax the rich, feed the poor
Till there are no rich no more?
I'd love to change the world
But I don't know what to do
So I'll leave it up to you
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 20, 2019 06:27 PM (sy5kK)
1. I'm not going to blow my nose on a cloth and stick it back in my pocket.
2. I'm not going to eat at a restaurant that utilizes a device known as a sneeze guard.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 20, 2019 06:29 PM (m45I2)
The 5th most lethal fighting force in the world now that the Iranian Republican Guard has disbanded.
Posted by: garrett
Those Elite ScotchGardsMen are the ones who wear the 3 foot tall Naugahyde shakos whilst on parade, aren't they? And tote Claymore as well.
Fierce.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 20, 2019 06:29 PM (WqhK3)
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 20, 2019 06:29 PM (2DOZq)
220 ... boulder t'hobo Dec 20, 2019 06:21 PM (ykYG2)
Antonine Wall. The southern 'Scots' - the Rievers - voted for his Party.
There's a bit more of Hadrian's Wall left than Antoninus Pius' (even though it's shorter), and I suspect the Rievers will prefer to move south.
Posted by: Arbalest at December 20, 2019 06:29 PM (FlRtG)
Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at December 20, 2019 06:29 PM (XzVUd)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 20, 2019 06:20 PM (ujg0T)
Boris and the Tories are talking about reforming the House of Lords, and throwing most of the current members out. (over 800 members who do nothing but collect a big paycheck each month) The Tories incentive to do this is that after Tony Blair put a lot of effort into packing it, the House of Lords is filled with hard core left wingers.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 20, 2019 06:30 PM (Kpl3J)
Posted by: Skip at December 20, 2019 06:30 PM (ZCEU2)
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at December 20, 2019 06:27 PM (oAY8z)
Yup.....just wait till the ship's plumbing goes out.
Boy Howdy!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 20, 2019 06:30 PM (Z+IKu)
Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at December 20, 2019 06:30 PM (lcoiC)
Posted by: rd at December 20, 2019 06:31 PM (+0uDE)
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at December 20, 2019 06:33 PM (oAY8z)
Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at December 20, 2019 06:33 PM (XzVUd)
Biden picks Kamala as VP
Biden gets sick and goes early on
Kamala becomes prezzy
Anyone questioning Bidens demise dismissed as a conspiracy theorist, after all Obamas doctor said he was gravely ill
Tinfoil hat off
Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at December 20, 2019 06:35 PM (lcoiC)
My key ring came today. Thank you and for the little extra.
It looks great and is on my belt.
Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at December 20, 2019 06:35 PM (Tt761)
Posted by: rd at December 20, 2019 06:31 PM (+0uDE)
Oops, maybe H1B programmers at 50% pay isn't the best way to go?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at December 20, 2019 06:36 PM (BiNEL)
Everywhere is freaks and hairies
Dykes and fairies, tell me where is sanity
Tax the rich, feed the poor
Till there are no rich no more?
I'd love to change the world
But I don't know what to do
So I'll leave it up to you
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Completely overlooked the trannies.
Nike Sued for Not Using Employee's "Preferred Pronouns"
A computer engineer and employee of Nike's has filed an official civil rights lawsuit against the company for what the disgruntled employee says is gender identity-based discrimination.
Jazz Lyles, who uses the pronouns "they/them/their," worked for the company out their Beaverton, Oregon headquarters. Lyles' lawsuit, which was filed in Multnomah County Circuit Court, claims that Nike and Mainz Brady, California-based IT staffing firm, put her through discrimination, harassment, and retaliation for dismissing her request to use her they/them pronouns.
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Damn bigot journalist also didn't use the right pronouns.j
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 20, 2019 06:39 PM (+y/Ru)
I'd like to begin the bargaining with the Dems at "fuck off!" and go from there.
Posted by: t-bird at December 20, 2019 06:41 PM (Ydn2k)
Posted by: Quake Voter at December 20, 2019 06:45 PM (oalpc)
And there rest of Canada can't stop them from going, either.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 05:55 PM (cfSRQ)"
But do you really think the left will go along with it?
Posted by: there are only three star wars films at December 20, 2019 06:46 PM (67XdO)
She was a bad PM, no question, but that was very classy.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 20, 2019 05:52 PM (cfSRQ)
She actually joked about herself and her electoral disaster, saying "it was supposed to happen in 2017!"
Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2019 06:55 PM (eoQWY)
You can always tell a good suicide when you can't identify the body...not easy to kill yourself to such a degree that they can't pull you together with a rake. Head first into a wood chipper?
Posted by: Boswell at December 20, 2019 06:57 PM (32YRo)
(The Brit system has always been far more authoritarian than ours is)
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 20, 2019 05:49 PM (Kpl3J)
Yeah, I guess so, but I would enjoy seeing Trump just throw all the fake conservatives and Never Trumpers out on their asses
"Hey, Mittens, you're fired!"
Posted by: Donna&&&&V. at December 20, 2019 06:59 PM (d6Ksn)
Posted by: Boswell at December 20, 2019 07:01 PM (32YRo)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 20, 2019 05:54 PM (j3npP)
Scotland seats after election.
SNP 48
CON 6
Lib Dem 4
Labor 1
Labor is increasingly a leftist, city and college town party. The old industrial areas are defecting, and will likely continue to do so if the Tories play their cards right.
Much like the "Solid" south turned from Dem to Rep in the 1980s.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2019 07:01 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at December 20, 2019 06:25 PM (oAY8z)
I doubt it, or she would have retired from her seat instead of running and winning re-election in the last election.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2019 07:08 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 20, 2019 06:30 PM (Kpl3J)
I heard it was 90 percent remainers. It reflects nothing about the country, the one good point of the old system were Count Wexford had an estate out in the country that the peasants could burn down.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 20, 2019 07:10 PM (eoQWY)
Recognition is important.
Posted by: Fritz at December 20, 2019 07:24 PM (zD38/)
Critics are the ones that are unrealistic.... in most cases.
Posted by: Lump at December 20, 2019 07:35 PM (PA/d4)
>>This was a realignment election -- and because of Brexit.
Sounds like they voted their way out of it.
Posted by: JackStraw
US 2020 will be the same. Record African American and Hispanic vote for Trump and his coattails may break the logjam and redefine the next 100 years.
Posted by: dirks strewn DA 1977 at December 20, 2019 07:36 PM (/Fmtj)
That's what killed the last referendum.
Posted by: Darwin Akbar at December 20, 2019 08:25 PM (USGK5)
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at December 20, 2019 09:02 PM (ZBf2T)
Posted by: adam henry at December 20, 2019 09:06 PM (jYPvA)
Posted by: Brown Hornet at December 21, 2019 09:19 AM (3Djt/)
I bet dollars to donuts the movement isn't that advanced. Oh, the scots talk about it, but nobody is actually doing anything.
Posted by: Andyzero at December 21, 2019 11:21 AM (a06dx)
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