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Mistakes Were Made: Ted Cruz Obliterates the FBI For Willful, Deliberate Forging of Evidence, Frauds on the Court, and Framing An Innocent Man Serving as a Source for the CIA as a Traitor
Acrually, he just repeated what was in the report, which Sean Davis and Mollie Hemingway already wrote about a day or two ago.
But we know that most people in the media do not read, ever, and so Ted Cruz's televised interrogation is probably the first time they've heard these facts. Cruz noted two deliberate frauds -- perjuries -- obstructions of justice -- perpetrated on the FISA court. The first was that the FBI actually had contacted Steele's primary source -- who they call the "primary sub-source," because Steele, who knew nothing about anything, was considered the source itself -- and that primary sub-source completely repudiated all the claims that Steele had claimed he'd made, telling the FBI that the Steele was exaggerating some of the things he said, making up other things, and in other cases passing off things said in jest or as barroom rumor-mongering and speculation as "verified information." Rather than inform the FISA court that Steele's "dossier" had been completely repudiated by the very source Steele himself claimed knew where all the bodies were buried, the FBI instead told the court that the primary sub-source had been "verified as honest and reliable." Why did they say that? Well, apparently, they took his saying "all of that is bullshit" as an indicator of honesty and reliability, and reported he was such to the court. But they forgot to tell the court that the thing he had been verified as "honest and reliable" about was calling the Steele dossier a parcel of lies. Instead, the FBI led the court to believe that he was "honest and reliable" about the things Steele claimed he'd said, which he himself denounced as either said in jest, or as gross speculation, or as simply untrue. This is obviously the kind of fraud that people go to jail for. Not DOJ employees, though! But that was just his first point. The second point was this: Carter Page probably, at some point, told one of the spies assigned to him that he actually was a source for a US intelligence agency. I've heard the CIA, but no one is confirming that, and maybe it's the Naval Intelligence Service or something. Why is this important? Well, if he's actually an asset for the CIA, that makes it pretty understandable why he's talking to Russians -- CIA assets often talk to Russians. That's what the CIA asks them to do. And this is patriotic service, not Treason, as the FBI would then characterize it. Realizing that they had a major problem on their hands if this were true -- because they're golden evidence that "Page has been seen talking to Russians" is not at all incriminating if he's a CIA (or NIS, etc.) asset -- the FBI or DOJ wrote to the intelligence agency and asked, "Is Carter Page a source for your organization?" And that intelligence agency said: "Carter page is a source" for our organization. So that's a big problem. If Carter Page is a CIA/NIS asset, then they can't use his contact with Russians as evidence for a FISA warrant against him. So what's the DOJ/FBI response? Well, a lawyer there -- Kevin Clinesmith -- deliberately changes the response of the organization from "Carter Page is a source" to "Carter Page is not a source," and sends this forged, fraudulent evidence along to the court as part of the FISA application. This is CRIMINAL. They were specifically told by the agency involved that Page was a source and therefore had a very good and legal reason to have contact with Russians, but this guy forged the email, altering it to say he was not a source and so reported to the court that Page had no good reason to talk to Russians. And here's the kicker: He still works for the FBI! Because of course he does. Because Christopher "Straight-Shooter" Wray.BREAKING: IG Horowitz testified FBI case agent who misled DOJ re Carter Page's prior cooperating role w the CIA--otherwise exculpatory evidence in FISA wiretap process--is STILL WORKING at the FBI, along w other agents cited for misconduct. Why? "You'll have to ask director Wray"
— Paul Sperry (@paulsperry_) December 11, 2019
Below, Ted Cruz asks Horowitz about this second point. Which Horowitz says does not indicate "bias." Viva la Resistance, eh?
The 476-page report from Department of Justice Inspector General Michael Horowitz found that the FBI falsely claimed to the FISA Court not only that Carter Page was a Russian agent, but also falsely claimed that an unnamed intelligence agency had told the FBI that Page was "not a source" in their efforts to surveil and curtail Russian intelligence efforts. ... Ahead of an application to renew the spy warrant in 2017, a top FBI lawyer doctored evidence from the unnamed agency which confirmed that contrary to FBI claims that he was a Russian spy, Page had in fact assisted the United States in its efforts to counter Russian operations. An e-mail from the agency that clearly stated Page was "a source" for them was doctored by Kevin Clinesmith, a top FBI national security lawyer, to give the opposite impression to the federal spy court. "The [Office of General Counsel] Attorney altered and sent the e-mail to a [supervisory special agent], who thereafter relied on it to swear out the third FISA application," the IG report notes. Upon learning that a top FBI lawyer doctored evidence against a former Trump campaign affiliate to justify spying on him, the IG referred the attorney to DOJ for criminal prosecution. Text messages from that same lawyer after the 2016 election revealed that he was an anti-Trump activist. "Viva la Resistance!" he texted on November 22, 2016, while in the midst of investigating Trump. He would later be terminated from the Mueller probe for conduct which a previous IG report said "brought discredit" to the FBI. Of FBI documents he approved authorizing spying on Trump campaign, Clinesmith wrote "[M]y god damned name is all over the legal documents investigating his staff." "[W]ho knows if that breaks to him what he is going to do," Clinesmith continued, apparently worried about the ramifications of his illicit behavior against the Trump campaign.
.@tedcruz: "A lawyer at the FBI creates fraudulent evidence, alters an email, that is in turn used as the basis for a sworn statement to the court that the court relies on. Am I stating that accurately?"
— The Hill (@thehill) December 11, 2019
IG Horowitz: "That is correct, that is what occurred." pic.twitter.com/2ilD17Me7K
WATCH: Sen. @TedCruz shows that the "17 major errors and misstatements" outlined in the #IGReport by the FBI and DOJ are not simply "typos" or "small inadvertent errors," but rather "grotesque abuses of power."
— MRCTV.org (@mrctv) December 11, 2019
IG Horowitz nods in agreement. #HorowitzHearing #IGHearing pic.twitter.com/tkZpW4J3sN
Sen. Lindsey Graham on FBI surveilling the Trump campaign: “Let’s put it this way, if you don’t have a legal foundation to surveil somebody and you keep doing it is that bad?”
— Steven Cheung (@CaliforniaPanda) December 11, 2019
IG Michael Horowitz: “Absolutely.”
Graham: ”Is that spying?”
Horowitz: “It’s illegal surveillance.” pic.twitter.com/cYLZ3JjMJ3
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: DR.WTF at December 11, 2019 03:41 PM (aS1PU)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 03:41 PM (q80AH)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 03:41 PM (q80AH)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 11, 2019 03:41 PM (vEIlU)
Posted by: garrett at December 11, 2019 03:42 PM (5ZySw)
Posted by: jmel at December 11, 2019 03:42 PM (OeWgo)
Posted by: eleven at December 11, 2019 03:42 PM (M0u+N)
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 11, 2019 03:42 PM (d7Ww2)
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 11, 2019 03:43 PM (KUaJL)
It was pretty weak to begin with to be honest.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 11, 2019 03:43 PM (Y4EXg)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 03:43 PM (BN/jk)
This would be the one I would watch for an indictment on. Not much gray area there.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 11, 2019 03:43 PM (Boy/L)
Posted by: Alan Dershowitz at December 11, 2019 03:43 PM (8X42K)
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at December 11, 2019 03:43 PM (ExV1e)
Posted by: Roy at December 11, 2019 03:43 PM (/RckA)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 11, 2019 03:44 PM (RizLv)
Posted by: Jonah Goldberg, Thought Thinker at December 11, 2019 03:44 PM (4e+hS)
Posted by: tubal at December 11, 2019 03:44 PM (90T4r)
Posted by: eleven at December 11, 2019 03:44 PM (M0u+N)
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He should be in jail for the rest of his life unless he can produce a get out of jail free card.
But I think he is biased and dumb.
He didn't do this on his own accord. But he may not have proof that he did it on his own accord.
There is only one way to find out.
Posted by: SH at December 11, 2019 03:44 PM (sX1BW)
IG Michael Horowitz: "Absolutely."
Graham: "Is that spying?"
Horowitz: "It's illegal surveillance."
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But, sure, Durham and Barr aren't going to do anything.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 03:44 PM (q80AH)
Posted by: VMom's phone (aka VM's phone) at December 11, 2019 03:44 PM (EGSGm)
Posted by: Megan Fox at December 11, 2019 03:44 PM (KUaJL)
Posted by: let's drink saki at December 11, 2019 03:44 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 11, 2019 03:44 PM (d7Ww2)
It was pretty weak to begin with to be honest.
Posted by: Tonypete
Hooo...not like this.
Posted by: eleven at December 11, 2019 03:45 PM (M0u+N)
Posted by: Someguy at December 11, 2019 03:45 PM (7nTlT)
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 11, 2019 03:43 PM (KUaJL)
Megan Fox is right there at beautiful, not so much Michael Horowitz. Beauty covers a lot of dumbness.
Posted by: tubal at December 11, 2019 03:45 PM (90T4r)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 11, 2019 03:45 PM (QtGN+)
Posted by: Roy at December 11, 2019 03:46 PM (/RckA)
If it wasn't for our precarious Senate situation (when factoring in RINOs,) I'd love to see him on the SC.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at December 11, 2019 03:46 PM (ayFCE)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 11, 2019 03:46 PM (vEIlU)
It was pretty weak to begin with to be honest.
Posted by: Tonypete
Hooo...not like this.
Posted by: eleven at December 11, 2019 03:45 PM (M0u+N)
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It was strongest with the right.
And then the FBI went after the president representing the right.
It's like they're a media company for children advocating for abortion, or something.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 03:46 PM (q80AH)
Posted by: A Female at December 11, 2019 03:46 PM (5ZySw)
Posted by: let's play sockey at December 11, 2019 03:46 PM (U7k5w)
I guarantee you that the FBI has pushed for prosecution of regular citizens for less egregious lying, and gotten AUSAs to send those poor saps to jail.
Posted by: imp at December 11, 2019 03:47 PM (SFOr6)
I'm not gay, but I wanted to have his children
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 11, 2019 03:47 PM (U4t4g)
It was pretty weak to begin with to be honest.
Posted by: Tonypete
They shit the bed with the revelations of their crime labs falsifying results.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 03:47 PM (BN/jk)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2019 03:47 PM (I2dne)
DM: OK, roll Persuasion.
Ted: *rolls* Hah! nat 20 plus my charisma modifier so 35!
DM: Sorry, it... uh fails.
Ted: wait, what?
DM: Yeah, you weren't supposed to get to this part. Rocks fall, everyone dies.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 11, 2019 03:47 PM (KUaJL)
Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at December 11, 2019 03:47 PM (RD7QR)
It was pretty weak to begin with to be honest.
Posted by: Tonypete
Ever since they cancelled Efrem Zimbalest, Jr.
Posted by: Roy at December 11, 2019 03:47 PM (/RckA)
If someone told him to do it, and he doesn't have a paper trail, he should go to dumb lawyer jail.
Posted by: VMom's phone (aka VM's phone) at December 11, 2019 03:47 PM (EGSGm)
Posted by: let's play sockey at December 11, 2019 03:47 PM (U7k5w)
And you want to be MY Body Inspector?
I don't think so.
Posted by: A Female at December 11, 2019 03:46 PM (5ZySw)
lol
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 11, 2019 03:47 PM (1CjJc)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2019 03:47 PM (I2dne)
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A couple of years ago.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 03:47 PM (q80AH)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2019 03:47 PM (I2dne)
When he bought that llama hair knit cap, in Boulder.
Posted by: tubal at December 11, 2019 03:48 PM (90T4r)
Posted by: J Edgar Hoover at December 11, 2019 03:48 PM (8X42K)
Posted by: Jonah Goldberg, Thought Thinker at December 11, 2019 03:48 PM (4e+hS)
Oh right, they're busy ignoring the Crime Tip Hotline and covering up evidence found at shooting scenes.
Posted by: wth at December 11, 2019 03:48 PM (v0R5T)
completely repudiated by the very source Steele himself claimed knew
where all the bodies were buried, the FBI instead told the court that
the primary sub-source had been "verified as honest and reliable."
technically true. i mean, they went in with bullshit and the source told them it was bullshit, honestly and reliably.
Posted by: Anachronda at December 11, 2019 03:48 PM (sGtp+)
Posted by: Guzalot at December 11, 2019 03:48 PM (prSvo)
Posted by: Sponge at December 11, 2019 03:48 PM (Zz0t1)
There are merely rules. Rules applies to normals or unpersons. Rules do not apply to elites or power people/government employees.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2019 03:48 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: SH at December 11, 2019 03:48 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 11, 2019 03:48 PM (KUaJL)
Posted by: Zero Prosecutions Zero Raids at December 11, 2019 03:49 PM (6A9Kg)
Posted by: imp at December 11, 2019 03:49 PM (SFOr6)
Revolution.....It's what's for dinner.
Posted by: Sponge at December 11, 2019 03:49 PM (Zz0t1)
The Dilbert interview linked on the sidebar was OK, but he is too full of himself and has a nasty habit of arguing in bad faith.
1. He claims that incompetence explains everything. Well, sure people stretch the truth to justify what they want in a big organization but (a) their boss stomps on that shit, and (b) this was not justifying a new copier, but investigating a political campaign. There are rules and people go to jail for not following them. This whole line of argument was weird since yes, you do expect some bias in someone trying to do a job (start an investigation) but you also expect bias on the other side and in fact you expect more incompetent and lazy people would not want the hassle of getting into a political investigation.
2. If the risk analysis means you investigate the slightest hint of foreign influence, well sure if you think Trump was a manchurian controlled by the Kremlin but that is nonsense. Did anyone outside the lefty fever swamp think that was even a 1% possibility? How would that even work since he has limited power as President and if he did anything stupid like try to give Alaska back to Russia he would have Congress to check that. And why not investigate Biden, Clinton, Clinton, Gore,.... for all their Chinese cash and deals. Was something overheard in a bar worthy of an investigation, but not all the hard facts surrounding dem. corruption?
3. He made it sound like there were only two option -- a bannanaa republic style coup, or FBI people doing an honest job. No one said it was a coup where they take over the Palace and have a team go to the state radio station and make an announcement. But he said that since they were not having meetings on the sly and organizing each step to make it happen it was not a coup and so they were just doing their jobs (incompetently and with some (maybe) bias).
Well, when people talk of coup they mean the investigation and prosecution was aimed at removing Trump from office for no legitimate reason. That is what they were doing, and that is a coup. If they were investigating him for actual crimes (or things they thought were actual crimes,) then sure maybe they would have done the same with other candidates or Presidents. But they were making it all up because they did not like the guy. This was a coup attempt.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at December 11, 2019 03:49 PM (LWu6U)
Oh, the FBI Crime Lab admitting they'd lied to courts for 40 years to help local police get more convictions pretty much did in their reputation for anyone who was paying attention. (That's something I see ATC cite a lot when the FBI's alleged reputation is brought up).
Posted by: Ian S. at December 11, 2019 03:49 PM (ZGrMX)
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at December 11, 2019 03:49 PM (wCmLp)
Posted by: DaveA at December 11, 2019 03:50 PM (FhXTo)
I would like to see
Rolling
Posted by: VMom's phone (aka VM's phone) at December 11, 2019 03:44 PM (EGSGm)
FBI careers
Roll like desert tumbleweeds.
Good to be a fed.
Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at December 11, 2019 03:50 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: VMom's phone (aka VM's phone) at December 11, 2019 03:47 PM (EGSGm)
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Dumb lawyer jail? Isn't that something like junior associate at a PI law firm that has highway billboards?
Not good enough.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2019 03:50 PM (I2dne)
I really thought that McCain would be the patsy since he's beyond the reach of earthly justice.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 11, 2019 03:50 PM (gCAC6)
Posted by: Ted K. at December 11, 2019 03:50 PM (FJYfm)
Posted by: DaveA at December 11, 2019 03:50 PM (FhXTo)
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Trump talked about using them once with an ambassador, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 03:50 PM (q80AH)
Perfectly understandable accidents. Ooops.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 11, 2019 03:50 PM (1CjJc)
He should be in jail for the rest of his life unless he can produce a get out of jail free card.
But I think he is biased and dumb.
He didn't do this on his own accord. But he may not have proof that he did it on his own accord.
There is only one way to find out.
Posted by: SH at December 11, 2019 03:44 PM (sX1BW)
So....put his nuts in a vice?
Posted by: Mike Tyson at December 11, 2019 03:50 PM (ymnmz)
I don't think so.
Posted by: A Female
We might have an opening.
Posted by: VanDelay Industries, Latex Division at December 11, 2019 03:50 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2019 03:51 PM (zBaqJ)
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 11, 2019 03:51 PM (1CjJc)
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 11, 2019 03:51 PM (JRaU+)
Posted by: DaveA at December 11, 2019 03:50 PM (FhXTo)
Except in Africa.
Posted by: tubal at December 11, 2019 03:51 PM (90T4r)
Perfectly understandable accidents. Ooops.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 11, 2019 03:50 PM (1CjJc)
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It's just simply too bad that Horowitz is the end of this whole affair.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 03:51 PM (q80AH)
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at December 11, 2019 03:49 PM (wCmLp)
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Don't stop there.
Burn the entire DoJ down to the waterline.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2019 03:51 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: IanDeal at December 11, 2019 03:51 PM (Y59yb)
Posted by: Sooner at December 11, 2019 03:51 PM (Fs5vw)
Posted by: Don Q at December 11, 2019 03:51 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: JUDAS PRIEST at December 11, 2019 03:51 PM (5ZySw)
Posted by: Christopher Wray at December 11, 2019 03:51 PM (4thlk)
Clinesmith made a substantial change, hang him first. The others can claim ignorance I guess ... but I prefer hanging all of them ... there is no doubt they are all in on "the insurance policy" and all were playing their roles ... as Horowitz is even now.
Posted by: illiniwek at December 11, 2019 03:51 PM (Cus5s)
Posted by: Ted K. at December 11, 2019 03:50 PM (FJYfm)
Or why a group of citizens doesn't grab his ass in a citizens' arrest and then_____________.
Fill in the blank
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2019 03:52 PM (zBaqJ)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 11, 2019 03:52 PM (Dh1wo)
Posted by: Tree of Liberty at December 11, 2019 03:52 PM (6/uwW)
Waiting to hear why Clinesmith isn't in jail.
Posted by: Ted K. at December 11, 2019 03:50 PM (FJYfm)
Busy dotting i's and crossing t's here, boss.
Posted by: DOJ at December 11, 2019 03:52 PM (1CjJc)
Even the lists were better. "10 Steps Toward the Communization of America" versus "The 10 Golden Showers".
Posted by: G at December 11, 2019 03:52 PM (5NMZN)
Posted by: DaveA at December 11, 2019 03:50 PM (FhXTo)
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Trump talked about using them once with an ambassador, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Trailers use them.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 03:52 PM (BN/jk)
It was pretty weak to begin with to be honest.
Posted by: Tonypete
Ever since they cancelled Efrem Zimbalest, Jr.
Posted by: Roy
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Agreed. The biggest landslide begins with one small pebble.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 11, 2019 03:52 PM (Y4EXg)
Posted by: Captain Obvious at December 11, 2019 03:52 PM (3Z6pZ)
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 11, 2019 03:52 PM (I2/tG)
I'd imagine he's rat on the people he did this for. He didn't decide to do this just on his own.
However, I worry that a progressive Democrat grand jury will just return no bill and basically say "There is no law anymore. Thunderdome."
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2019 03:52 PM (PbpT7)
*makes notes in the margin of style guide*
Posted by: Anachronda at December 11, 2019 03:52 PM (sGtp+)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 11, 2019 03:52 PM (YslsA)
Some habits die hard.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Measure Your Fury With A Rage-o-Meter from The Outrage Outlet! at December 11, 2019 03:52 PM (hLRSq)
Interesting.
Posted by: Don Q at December 11, 2019 03:51 PM (NgKpN)
Of course not. Lawyers and Judges look after each other.
Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 11, 2019 03:53 PM (QF1yA)
They needed that Page-Russia suspicion to be substantiated SO that they
could step up their spying on the Trump campaign. And so they
misrepresented their faith in the Steele allegations, AND they had some
nobody doctor an email to defraud the FISA court.
Perfectly understandable accidents. Ooops.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 11, 2019 03:50 PM (1CjJc)
No collusion ...no conspiracy....no bias......a two year anal probe that turns up no actionable offenses based on a falsified FISA warrant.........just bad luck all the way down for PDT.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 11, 2019 03:53 PM (ymnmz)
Posted by: wth at December 11, 2019 03:53 PM (v0R5T)
I've said it before and I'll say it again. As of this moment, the Intelligence Agencies and Federal Law Enforcement Agencies pose more of a national security threat than any foreign entity or state.
Period.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2019 03:53 PM (zBaqJ)
Posted by: Rev at December 11, 2019 03:53 PM (ckHHR)
Posted by: tubal at December 11, 2019 03:53 PM (90T4r)
Posted by: Ted K. at December 11, 2019 03:50 PM (FJYfm)
Or why a group of citizens doesn't grab his ass in a citizens' arrest and then_____________.
Fill in the blank
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
No controlling authority.
That's not who we are.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 03:53 PM (BN/jk)
I would imagine Durham has spoken to him or will in very short order.
Posted by: Czech Chick at December 11, 2019 03:53 PM (J9wxX)
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 11, 2019 03:52 PM (I2/tG)
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I'll be disappointed if we don't find out that Obama was spying on John Roberts in 2010 and Romney in 2012.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 03:54 PM (q80AH)
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 11, 2019 03:54 PM (U4t4g)
I'd imagine he's rat on the people he did this for. He didn't decide to do this just on his own.
However, I worry that a progressive Democrat grand jury will just return no bill and basically say "There is no law anymore. Thunderdome."
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2019 03:52 PM (PbpT7)
+++++++++++++
Clinesmith does appear to be being positioned as the fall guy.
Not enough. That's some pretty weak sauce.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2019 03:54 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2019 03:52 PM (PbpT7)
Your terms are agreeable.
Posted by: face collander at December 11, 2019 03:54 PM (1CjJc)
There are merely rules. Rules applies to normals or unpersons. Rules do not apply to elites or power people/government employees.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2019 03:48 PM (I2dne)
Oh, there is plenty of Law.
Its just not applied equally.
Go destroy evidence, and YOU will see law.
Them? not so much.
Posted by: Don Q at December 11, 2019 03:54 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: tubal
Yes.
(Makes shake weight motion with hand)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 03:54 PM (BN/jk)
However, I worry that a progressive Democrat grand jury will just return no bill and basically say "There is no law anymore. Thunderdome."
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2019 03:52 PM (PbpT7)
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I feel like I keep hearing that any grand jury will be in Utah.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 03:54 PM (q80AH)
Posted by: Tonypete at December 11, 2019 03:52 PM (Y4EXg)
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The avalanche has already begun. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
Posted by: Kosh Naranek at December 11, 2019 03:55 PM (3Z6pZ)
I would imagine Durham has spoken to him or will in very short order.
Posted by: Czech Chick at December 11, 2019 03:53 PM (J9wxX)
Brennan, Comey and Clapper must swing. They won't but must.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2019 03:55 PM (zBaqJ)
Posted by: MJ at December 11, 2019 03:55 PM (gAMkn)
"Not Spying, it was Illegal Surveillance".
So, just the tip, then.
not rape-rape.
truly, fuck them with flaming pineapples. On TV.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 11, 2019 03:55 PM (sy5kK)
Posted by: let's play sockey at December 11, 2019 03:55 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: Easy Andy at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (2DOZq)
Period.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2019 03:53 PM (zBaqJ)
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Yes. Our intelligence and LE agencies are a far greater threat to our freedom and liberty than anyone they are hypothetically spying against.
We have 17 intelligence agencies, I'm told.
Would there need to be 17 different "your agencies are closed and you're fired. Get the hell out of my office" meetings, or could it be an omnibus thing?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: Tami at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: ShainS at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (5FTSd)
Seeing all this CRAP makes me physically ill and I can't escape the thought that my 40 years of service have been a TOTAL FUCKING WASTE of my time.
Posted by: RobertM at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (Ditc0)
I feel like I keep hearing that any grand jury will be in Utah.
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Maybe the Bundy assholes can be on the grand jury.
Posted by: G at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (5NMZN)
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Clinesmith: Will you guys put that in writing.
His Superiors: No need, Trump won't win. No one will ever know.
Clinesmith: Ok
Posted by: SH at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (YslsA)
Not enough. That's some pretty weak sauce.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
He's not even a nickel bag dealer.
He's the guy who buys a single loosie.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (BN/jk)
Comey did his little bullshit dance on Monday.
The other two? Strangely silent.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (Boy/L)
Wow, we can all laugh about what that led to and how Hillary is breaking rocks in Leavenworth huh? Oh wait.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (KZzsI)
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Waiting to hear why Clinesmith isn't in jail.
Posted by: Ted K. at December 11, 2019 03:50 PM (FJYfm)
Busy dotting i's and crossing t's here, boss.
Posted by: DOJ at December 11, 2019 03:52 PM (1CjJc)
Seems like they have the goods on that guy. Yes, why not at least a midnight frog march? Oh yeah he's one of them. WTF this is so big there is not one honest cop/DOJ left to arrest the scummy ones.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (ymnmz)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (r+sAi)
Another flaw in the IG process.
Posted by: Whoopi Goldberg at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (hbTkw)
Posted by: Lion-O at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (5ZySw)
Posted by: eleven at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (M0u+N)
Posted by: PAgirlinNC at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (/5WQL)
Its just not applied equally.
Go destroy evidence, and YOU will see law.
Them? not so much.
Posted by: Don Q at December 11, 2019 03:54 PM (NgKpN)
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There are laws on paper. Law applied unequally is no law at all. It is just a means of tyranny.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (I2dne)
We all talk about indictments a lot. Is there a grand jury involved in this ? I am being serious, don't know how all this works.
Posted by: tubal
In the impeachment context, the House is the Grand Jury. Only they can "indict" a president. The Senate then holds the trial.
As for the crimes evinced in the report, that's up to the US Attorney's office in DC (I imagine, maybe Eastern District of Virginia), to prosecute or not.
Posted by: imp at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (SFOr6)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 11, 2019 03:57 PM (QtGN+)
Posted by: eleven at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (M0u+N)
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So, it peaked with a fictional character who let a serial killer go.
I'll approve it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 03:57 PM (q80AH)
Posted by: JT at December 11, 2019 03:57 PM (arJlL)
Posted by: illiniwek at December 11, 2019 03:57 PM (Cus5s)
-CNN
Posted by: Hotgas VIP Member at December 11, 2019 03:57 PM (eNfHo)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 11, 2019 03:57 PM (hbTkw)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 11, 2019 03:57 PM (GPz65)
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Gosh, if only someone served in a powerful position with ethics oversight.
Posted by: Moron Robbie abridged at December 11, 2019 03:57 PM (f3v6k)
Posted by: Sean Hannity at December 11, 2019 03:58 PM (88+cf)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 03:44 PM (q80AH)
I'm thinking that they are going to do something about this (not that I believe that you're saying otherwise). This is the first indication I'm seeing that the IG, while putting the best face possible on this, said 'illegal'. I don't see the AG ignoring this.
This lawyer is probably the easiest to prosecute. The fact that he's still there may indicate that the AG's office is talking to him, and getting as much information as possible while holding a paycheck over his head to induce him to talk without having them tip their hand by indicting.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 11, 2019 03:58 PM (iuFgi)
If he was/is a source for the CIA, then is it possible that CP was placed into the Trump Campaign for nefarious reasons and in cahoots with the FBI?
Something doesn't quite fit for me here.
Posted by: Dansgirls at December 11, 2019 03:58 PM (V25ON)
Posted by: tubal at December 11, 2019 03:58 PM (90T4r)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Ambassador
More content than comedy so not Moron worthy.
Posted by: DaveA at December 11, 2019 03:58 PM (FhXTo)
To fair, Clinesmith works in an isolated office in Cincinnati, too.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 11, 2019 03:58 PM (Boy/L)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2019 03:58 PM (zBaqJ)
He's the guy who buys a single loosie.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (BN/jk)
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Based on his position in the org chart, he's pretty far up there. Close to the big chair. He's not a nobody.
But he still ain't enough. He's high-ranked but he's still just a footsoldier.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2019 03:58 PM (I2dne)
While Clinesmith was getting caught altering documents, exactly what was Fey Wray doing ?
Posted by: CN at December 11, 2019 03:59 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 03:43 PM (BN/jk)
Straight to the pine box?
Posted by: clutch at December 11, 2019 03:59 PM (+mbOC)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 11, 2019 03:59 PM (0O7c5)
While Clinesmith was getting caught altering documents, exactly what was Fey Wray doing ?
Posted by: CN at December 11, 2019 03:59 PM (U7k5w)
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Screaming at that nice monkey Kong?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 03:59 PM (q80AH)
Many times. His answer is if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, he can't say its a duck unless the duck says "I am a duck".
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 11, 2019 03:59 PM (r+sAi)
We all talk about indictments a lot. Is there a grand jury involved in this ? I am being serious, don't know how all this works.
Posted by: tubal
In the impeachment context, the House is the Grand Jury. Only they can "indict" a president. The Senate then holds the trial.
As for the crimes evinced in the report, that's up to the US Attorney's office in DC (I imagine, maybe Eastern District of Virginia), to prosecute or not.
Posted by: imp at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (SFOr6)
Thanks, imp.
AoS. Come for the snark, stay for the Education.
Posted by: tubal at December 11, 2019 03:59 PM (90T4r)
Marsha Blackburn also pushing back on the 'no bias'.
Posted by: Tami at December 11, 2019 04:00 PM (cF8AT)
"Well that's what I was saying but did you all listen? NOoooo"
--Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:00 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 03:59 PM (q80AH)
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Don't use the m-word!
Posted by: Lecturer on Recent Runes at December 11, 2019 04:00 PM (3Z6pZ)
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 11, 2019 04:00 PM (iuFgi)
But he still ain't enough. He's high-ranked but he's still just a footsoldier.
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My guess is he is child porn viewer which is why he was sacrificed for this role.
The FBI has ways of getting Omerta.
Posted by: SH at December 11, 2019 04:00 PM (sX1BW)
If (Page) was/is a source for the CIA, then is it possible that CP was placed into the Trump Campaign for nefarious reasons and in cahoots with the FBI?
Something doesn't quite fit for me here.
Posted by: Dansgirls
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That is exactly what transpired.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 11, 2019 04:00 PM (YslsA)
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I've noticed the left does this a lot - like the speech where Trump joked Russia must have Hillary's missing emails.
OTOH they will say something not in jest - like they want to physically assault/murder someone and that is instead passed off as a "joke".
I guess to extend the old saying;
Your jokes are violence
Our calls to violence are jokes.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 11, 2019 04:01 PM (WdocV)
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99.99999% of the voting public couldn't tell you who he is or what his position is.
He's very much a nobody.
Posted by: Moron Robbie abridged at December 11, 2019 04:01 PM (f3v6k)
Which is BS of course, the report has a section called "conclusions" in which the IG states their opinions and deductions based on the information.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:01 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Dr Spank at December 11, 2019 04:01 PM (4e+hS)
To fair, Clinesmith works in an isolated office in Cincinnati, too.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 11, 2019 03:58 PM (Boy/L)
What is it about Cincinnati?
Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at December 11, 2019 04:01 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2019 03:58 PM (I2dne)
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He's valuable in that when confronted with the rest of his life in jail he might want to make a deal by squealing on his co-conspirators.
Posted by: Decaf at December 11, 2019 04:01 PM (xarPm)
Posted by: CN at December 11, 2019 03:59 PM (U7k5w)
+++++++++++++
He was doing this:
https://tinyurl.com/yarewvgy
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2019 04:01 PM (I2dne)
If he was/is a source for the CIA, then is it possible that CP was placed into the Trump Campaign for nefarious reasons and in cahoots with the FBI?
Something doesn't quite fit for me here.
Posted by: Dansgirls
Or they thought he was an easy target for flipping. And he didn't because there wasn't anything that he could testify to as illegal or damning and he, unlike the agencies in question, took his duties to the Constitution and US seriously.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 11, 2019 04:01 PM (GPz65)
"Ohhhhh never mind."
W.
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T.
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F????????????
Posted by: TANSTAAFL at December 11, 2019 04:01 PM (T09ml)
If he was/is a source for the CIA, then is it possible that CP was placed into the Trump Campaign for nefarious reasons and in cahoots with the FBI?
Something doesn't quite fit for me here.
Posted by: Dansgirls at December 11, 2019 03:58 PM (V25ON)
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Yep, that's a nagging question for me that nobody seems to be asking.
Posted by: WisRich at December 11, 2019 04:01 PM (G0vdT)
Well it would be a start. Instead they'll probably help him retire with full benefits and keep his security clearance.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:02 PM (KZzsI)
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Remember when the Dems using FBI files and other nefarious means got everyone ahead of Dennis Hastert to bail out of the House speakership role in the 90s?
Posted by: 18-1 at December 11, 2019 04:02 PM (WdocV)
Posted by: wth at December 11, 2019 04:02 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Tami at December 11, 2019 04:02 PM (cF8AT)
If he was/is a source for the CIA, then is it possible that CP was placed into the Trump Campaign for nefarious reasons and in cahoots with the FBI?
Something doesn't quite fit for me here.
Posted by: Dansgirls at December 11, 2019 03:58 PM (V25ON)
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Yep, that's a nagging question for me that nobody seems to be asking.
Posted by: WisRich at December 11, 2019 04:01 PM (G0vdT)
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That this started with Brennan?
I thought that was kinda common knowledge around these parts.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 04:02 PM (q80AH)
Seeing all this CRAP makes me physically ill and I can't escape the thought that my 40 years of service have been a TOTAL FUCKING WASTE of my time.
Posted by: RobertM at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (Ditc0)
Agreed. And thank you for your service.
Welcome.
The hot food is over there, and the ammo is along the back wall.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 11, 2019 04:02 PM (sy5kK)
Today, at the Dispatch!
Posted by: The Rev. Colonel David French, A Xantastic Guy! at December 11, 2019 04:03 PM (NVYyb)
Posted by: Inspector Kemp at December 11, 2019 04:03 PM (+DS2f)
Posted by: David Flench at December 11, 2019 04:03 PM (e6MOU)
Posted by: CN at December 11, 2019 04:03 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:02 PM (KZzsI)
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What about my book deals! Are you stripping me of my only way to feed my family beside my pension, contractor jobs, second pension, and pension supplement?!!
Posted by: Agent Double oh Clinesmith at December 11, 2019 04:04 PM (f3v6k)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:04 PM (KZzsI)
It's designed to distract you from her haircut. She's very sensitive about people noticing her haircut.
Posted by: garrett at December 11, 2019 04:04 PM (5ZySw)
Posted by: Rev at December 11, 2019 04:04 PM (ckHHR)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:02 PM (KZzsI)
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Maybe. I suspect they might throw him to the wolves to try to placate the unwashed masses.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2019 04:04 PM (I2dne)
If he was/is a source for the CIA, then is it possible that CP was placed into the Trump Campaign for nefarious reasons and in cahoots with the FBI?
Something doesn't quite fit for me here.
...
I don't buy that. if he were working for them as a stooge, they wouldn't have gone after him like this, and they could have just had Page lie and say "Trump said he wanted me to contact russians on his behalf."
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2019 04:04 PM (PbpT7)
Words matter. That is what Cruz was getting at.
Try these 17 felonies.
Posted by: SH at December 11, 2019 04:04 PM (sX1BW)
I think we're going to get some headlines like that about fabricating evidence to impeach Trump.
Posted by: TexasDan at December 11, 2019 04:05 PM (yL25O)
Cruz was great. Unfortunately all the MFM will say is the FBI did nothing wrong and the LIVs will blindly believe that
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 11, 2019 04:05 PM (kw5n8)
Seeing all this CRAP makes me physically ill and I can't escape the thought that my 40 years of service have been a TOTAL FUCKING WASTE of my time.
Posted by: RobertM at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (Ditc0)
Agreed. And thank you for your service.
Welcome.
The hot food is over there, and the ammo is along the back wall.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg
9mm is in the basement where it belongs.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 04:05 PM (BN/jk)
Something doesn't quite fit for me here.
Posted by: Dansgirls at December 11, 2019 03:58 PM (V25ON)
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Yep, that's a nagging question for me that nobody seems to be asking.
Posted by: WisRich at December 11, 2019 04:01 PM (G0vdT)
Now add in some Misfud, who was a foreign agent in Italy. Now add in that Australian 'Embassy Worker' (which everyone knows is code for spy).
And Steele, who was a Brit Agent for MI6?
Gee, almost like there is a pattern here.
Posted by: Don Q at December 11, 2019 04:05 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 11, 2019 04:05 PM (YslsA)
If they think it's nothing, just some bureaucrat, they are kidding themselves. The actual lesson for voters will be, see what they did to the president, imagine what they can do to the little guy.
And they did do it to the little guy under Obama, anyone remember the IRS going after True The Vote?
Posted by: Decaf at December 11, 2019 04:05 PM (xarPm)
LOOK AT IT!!!
Posted by: Sean Hannity at December 11, 2019 03:58 PM (88+cf)
........
I think you've got some ham and eggs on it.
Posted by: wth at December 11, 2019 04:05 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Lady in Black at December 11, 2019 04:06 PM (JoUsr)
Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 11, 2019 04:06 PM (Lqy/e)
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Cruz elicited everything he needs for Barr to go full throttle on Clinesmith.
Posted by: SH at December 11, 2019 04:06 PM (sX1BW)
Words matter. That is what Cruz was getting at.
Try these 17 felonies.
Posted by: SH
If there are no arrests, were laws really broken?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 04:07 PM (BN/jk)
If they think it's nothing, just some bureaucrat, they are kidding themselves. The actual lesson for voters will be, see what they did to the president, imagine what they can do to the little guy.
And they did do it to the little guy under Obama, anyone remember the IRS going after True The Vote?
Posted by: Decaf at December 11, 2019 04:05 PM (xarPm)
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It's almost like they grabbed onto the closest predicate, no matter how weak, and ran with it because they desperately needed a distraction.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 04:07 PM (q80AH)
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg
9mm is in the basement where it belongs.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 04:05 PM (BN/jk)
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And remember that concealable pistols go on the left of the table setting.
Posted by: Captain Obvious at December 11, 2019 04:07 PM (3Z6pZ)
Posted by: Sponge at December 11, 2019 04:07 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: TexasDan at December 11, 2019 04:08 PM (yL25O)
Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 11, 2019 04:08 PM (ngSZO)
Posted by: Les Kinetic at December 11, 2019 04:08 PM (PtGHA)
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2019 04:04 PM (PbpT7)
Assets have various levels of knowledge. Its not uncommon to burn a low level asset, to enact an op.
Page may have been placed there unknowing what his 'role' was to be.
Posted by: Don Q at December 11, 2019 04:08 PM (NgKpN)
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What predicate? There was no predicate.
Somehow this is getting lost.
Posted by: SH at December 11, 2019 04:08 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: Citizen Cake at December 11, 2019 04:08 PM (HmZuC)
OT
Heard this morning that Larry Ellison of Oracle software fame, announced today their annual convention's location will be changed from San Francisco, where it has been exclusively held for 20 years, to Las Vegas.
Specifically, the human feces and homelessness problem was the reason. It generated $64 million in revenue.
When the SF Left has lost Larry Ellison................
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 11, 2019 04:08 PM (sy5kK)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:04 PM (KZzsI)
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No, it will have some super special law to protect it like when Obamacare left out the "if any part is found unconstitutional" boilerplate and the SCOTUS said it was still totes legal in its entirety because historic.
Posted by: Moron Robbie abridged at December 11, 2019 04:08 PM (f3v6k)
Just say it enough and the people will buy it. And they will, and they will.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 11, 2019 04:08 PM (H8QX8)
Posted by: tubal at December 11, 2019 04:08 PM (90T4r)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 04:07 PM (q80AH)
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Phsaw.
Like the media with DT's ice cream order?
Or this week...his larger salt shaker?
Posted by: TexasDan at December 11, 2019 04:08 PM (yL25O)
*People lied
solemn music plays
* Actual crimes were committed
scary music plays
*People in high places authorized this
mournful music plays
* We have actual evidence that gerghil brenhfd rigt zibcfjky
unintelligble background noise
Posted by: Official AosHq closed captioning brought to you by AoP Transmission Specialists at December 11, 2019 04:08 PM (8JNKm)
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What predicate? There was no predicate.
Somehow this is getting lost.
Posted by: SH at December 11, 2019 04:08 PM (sX1BW)
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"You weren't supposed to see the transcript..."
-Schiff
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 04:09 PM (q80AH)
Clinesmith does appear to be being positioned as the fall guy.
Not enough. That's some pretty weak sauce.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
He's not even a nickel bag dealer.
He's the guy who buys a single loosie.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (BN/jk)
If he and his family is not under witness protection, then we know this is ending in a big nothingburger.
Clinesmith did not kill himself.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 11, 2019 04:09 PM (1CjJc)
ahhhh... okay that's more plausible, but I still don't buy it. but of course that could just be because I didn't think of it.
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2019 04:09 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: Farmer Bob at December 11, 2019 04:09 PM (87EdW)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 11, 2019 03:58 PM (Boy/L)
What is it about Cincinnati?
Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize
It's the spaghetti in the chili - screws with the mind.
Posted by: Aviator at December 11, 2019 04:09 PM (2cuLk)
Our first concern should be to comfort their worries.
Posted by: Zombie John McVain, Build The Dang Fence!! at December 11, 2019 04:09 PM (NVYyb)
Geraldo Rivera @GeraldoRivera
#FBIAbuseofPower has been clearly demonstrated. I love cops, but undoubtedly there was an informal cabal within the Bureau dedicated to taking down @realDonaldTrump by any means necessary.
My only quibble might be with his word, informal.
Posted by: Lady in Black at December 11, 2019 04:09 PM (JoUsr)
The good news is that after an FBI lawyer illegally physically altered
evidence in order to illegally obtain a FISA warrant, and then was
publicly exposed for doing so, he was asked to resign from Mueller's
team.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (YslsA)
Here is the thing with this thing. When people say there is no collusion or conspiracy or attempted coup, you simply have to look at the fact that there were about 100 instances where anyone who was operating in good faith and any minimum level of professional standard could have stopped this......Right up to the FISC judge. But nope Orangemanbad YOLO let's do the Coup!
So the question is, why did so many people Do the Coup? Who had the juice to make them all take a bite of the shit sandwich? Obama and Chlamydia, that's who.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 11, 2019 04:09 PM (ymnmz)
My old boss explained that the reason that my paychecks were short 17 times in a row was because of the 'new girl in accounting'.
I thought that maybe once in a while she would make a mistake in my favor but that never happened.
Weird coincidence, huh?
Posted by: Mongo at December 11, 2019 04:09 PM (pHl8P)
If he was/is a source for the CIA, then is it possible that CP was placed into the Trump Campaign for nefarious reasons and in cahoots with the FBI?
Something doesn't quite fit for me here.
Posted by: Dansgirls at December 11, 2019 03:58 PM (V25ON)
He definitely WAS a FBI source. In, I believe, May of 2016 he helped the FBI arrest a Russian agent in the US.
So, I'm imagining, in the FBI's mind when he entered the Trump campaign it was an 'AH HA' moment and easy way for the FBI to surveil "him and anyone that came in contact with him", i.e. Trump campaign staff. I don't think he was in cahoots with the FBI though.
Posted by: Tami at December 11, 2019 04:09 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: SH at December 11, 2019 04:04 PM (sX1BW)
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Mistakes were made. Low level employees. Recommend more training. Thank you for your service.
Posted by: wth at December 11, 2019 04:09 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: weft cut-loop
And by "hosed out" I presume you mean "cleared out with flamethrowers".
Posted by: Brother Cavil
Democrats, Media, and Deep State:
Hostis Humani Generis
at December 11, 2019 04:09 PM (Rvlwi)
It's understandable that the unlawfulness and corruption makes you both ill and angry, but since your motives and actions were right it doesn't make what you did in serving your country wrong.
And yes, I too, thank you for your service.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2019 04:09 PM (WI7YS)
Posted by: tubal at December 11, 2019 04:08 PM (90T4r)
I heard he changed jobs and didn't have time to frequent AoS, but drops in occasionally.
Posted by: Sponge at December 11, 2019 04:10 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 11, 2019 04:08 PM (sy5kK)
....... They just keep on truckin'.
Posted by: DR.WTF at December 11, 2019 04:10 PM (aS1PU)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 11, 2019 04:10 PM (r+sAi)
Look at my FBI lapel pin.
LOOK AT IT!!!
Posted by: Sean Hannity at December 11, 2019 03:58 PM (88+cf)
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Rank-and-file who didn't already resign after Comey refused to recommend prosecution for Hillary's myriad of felonies including treason for violation of the Espionage Act are lining up to resign in mass protest now thanks to Horowitz in 3 .. 4 .. 5 ...
Posted by: ShainS at December 11, 2019 04:10 PM (5FTSd)
Geraldo Rivera @GeraldoRivera
#FBIAbuseofPower has been clearly demonstrated. I love cops, but undoubtedly there was an informal cabal within the Bureau dedicated to taking down @realDonaldTrump by any means necessary.
My only quibble might be with his word, informal.
Posted by: Lady in Black at December 11, 2019 04:09 PM (JoUsr)
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"Did they have a charter where they spelled out their mission to undermine the constitutional order, signed in triplicate? If not, then I can't tell what they wanted."
-Horowitz
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 04:10 PM (q80AH)
I'm always left thinking he is over-trying to make himself a victim. Playing a sympathy card.
Posted by: Dansgirls at December 11, 2019 04:10 PM (V25ON)
The hot food is over there, and the ammo is along the back wall.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg
9mm is in the basement where it belongs.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 04:05 PM (BN/jk)
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And remember that concealable pistols go on the left of the table setting.
Posted by: Captain Obvious at December 11, 2019 04:07 PM (3Z6pZ)
Oh good to know. I was curious about the proper etiquette for that.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 11, 2019 04:10 PM (N39Ws)
Posted by: Lady in Black at December 11, 2019 04:06 PM (JoUsr)
It's not Trump they hate. It's anyone who will not submit.
ANYONE. He's just the biggest target.
Posted by: Just Lily at December 11, 2019 04:10 PM (cR9KJ)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 04:10 PM (BN/jk)
Thanks, Rev. There are great people in this country. It's just that we patriots didn't see the rot in our foundation and it may now be too late to reverse it.
Posted by: RobertM at December 11, 2019 04:10 PM (Ditc0)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Clinesmith did not kill himself. at December 11, 2019 04:11 PM (f3v6k)
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at December 11, 2019 04:11 PM (H8QX8)
Posted by: tubal at December 11, 2019 04:08 PM (90T4r)
I heard he changed jobs and didn't have time to frequent AoS, but drops in occasionally.
Posted by: Sponge at December 11, 2019 04:10 PM (Zz0t1)
Ah. Thanks.
Posted by: tubal at December 11, 2019 04:11 PM (90T4r)
.........
But did she pass the Elbow Test?
Posted by: wth at December 11, 2019 04:11 PM (v0R5T)
R Horowitz: We are going to need bigger prisons.Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 11, 2019 04:11 PM (NVYyb)
Posted by: JROD at December 11, 2019 04:11 PM (PwMYk)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:11 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: tubal at December 11, 2019 04:08 PM (90T4r)
I heard he changed jobs and didn't have time to frequent AoS, but drops in occasionally.
Posted by: Sponge
Exactly. Meatspace got in the way. He drops in on the weekend occasionally.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 04:12 PM (BN/jk)
Posted by: Guzalot at December 11, 2019 03:48 PM (prSvo)
Not Rank and File! Great people, great Americans, Patriots doing the right thing!
Posted by: Hannity at December 11, 2019 04:12 PM (QFAjH)
9mm is in the basement where it belongs.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 04:05 PM (BN/jk)
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And remember that concealable pistols go on the left of the table setting.
Posted by: Captain Obvious at December 11, 2019 04:07 PM (3Z6pZ)
Our mothers taught us well about table manners.
It is one of the easiest ways to distinguish an American from a Globalist.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 11, 2019 04:12 PM (sy5kK)
Posted by: JROD at December 11, 2019 04:11 PM (PwMYk)
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Levin still has a funny voice.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 04:12 PM (q80AH)
And I think Cruz and Gaetz and some others from Congress who are actually decent people need to go out for a few drinks.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2019 04:12 PM (WI7YS)
Speaking of nagging and serious questions- if all this is true, the fix
was in, the cops are dirty, the game is rigged, etc. What are we trying
to conserve as conservatives? Has it always been thus?
Posted by: Farmer Bob
Bunch of us stopped calling ourselves "conservative" for that very reason. "Nationalist reformer" might be better for most of us.
Posted by: Brother Cavil
Democrats, Media, and Deep State:
Hostis Humani Generis
at December 11, 2019 04:12 PM (Rvlwi)
Posted by: weft cut-loop
And by "hosed out" I presume you mean "cleared out with flamethrowers".
Posted by: Brother Cavil
Democrats, Media, and Deep State:
Hostis Humani Generis
at December 11, 2019 04:09 PM (Rvlwi)
...
Well, the flamethrowers are to prevent contamination after the ravages disembowel everyone.
Posted by: TexasDan at December 11, 2019 04:12 PM (yL25O)
121 I have defended this country for almost 40 years. 25 years in the
Navy, 3 years as a cop, the rest in various govt intel jobs.
Seeing all this CRAP makes me physically ill and I can't escape the
thought that my 40 years of service have been a TOTAL FUCKING WASTE of
my time.
Posted by: RobertM at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (Ditc0)
Agreed. And thank you for your service.
Welcome.
The hot food is over there, and the ammo is along the back wall.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 11, 2019 04:02 PM (sy5kK)
This. Thank you for your service. Your service is not yet over.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 11, 2019 04:12 PM (1CjJc)
Fenelon - what did you think of "Faustina"?
Posted by: Tonypete at December 11, 2019 04:12 PM (Y4EXg)
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 11, 2019 04:12 PM (NVYyb)
Seems to me there is a significant possibility (probability?) that the FISAs were/are cooperating with the fraud.
There is a "time value" to justice (just ask orangemanbad).
Waiting for bagpipes to fade onto the sunset two years from now will be quite damaging to the system I think.
Posted by: phaedrus at December 11, 2019 04:13 PM (hlhOX)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:04 PM (KZzsI)
+++++++++++++++++
Every singe FBI investigation from at least the last three years, probably more like the last 10, is fruit of the poisoned tree. Every single person who is currently residing at the Graybar Hotel due to an FBI investigation should be commuted and released.
A lot of crooks are gonna get out, but I suspect a big 'ole chunk of those people were just railroaded.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2019 04:13 PM (I2dne)
So... how exactly does this "fruit of the poisoned tree" doctrine work.
Like, if warrants and investigations were obtained through lies and
deliberate falsehood... and information was gathered using illegal
methods... does that not mean that any convictions thence obtained are
overthrown?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:04 PM (KZzsI)
ITS FUNNY CAUSE I ONCE FAMOUSLY SAID FALSUS IN UNUM FALSUS IN OMNIBUS AND NOW I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT IT MEANS.
Posted by: Dick Blumenthalbegergler at December 11, 2019 04:13 PM (ymnmz)
Posted by: weft cut-loop
And by "hosed out" I presume you mean "cleared out with flamethrowers".
Posted by: Brother Cavil
It's just that I can't turn people into pillars of salt ... but I'm willing to learn.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 11, 2019 04:13 PM (GPz65)
Posted by: x at December 11, 2019 04:13 PM (nFwvY)
Posted by: t-bird at December 11, 2019 04:13 PM (J3qJd)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 11, 2019 04:13 PM (0O7c5)
pretty certain) that Clinesmith will be prosecuted. But if he is the
only one that goes to jail, that will be disappointing.
Posted by: SH
It's one more than we've EVER gotten!
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at December 11, 2019 04:13 PM (LOq4H)
Posted by: illiniwek at December 11, 2019 04:14 PM (Cus5s)
Fenelon - what did you think of "Faustina"?
Posted by: Tonypete at December 11, 2019 04:12 PM (Y4EXg)
And Rotten Tomatoes opinion. Of course.
Posted by: tubal at December 11, 2019 04:14 PM (90T4r)
Seems to me there is a significant possibility (probability?) that the FISAs were/are cooperating with the fraud.
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Fair criticism.
Get rid of all of them.
FISA court justices - if we can't count on them then what is the point.
Posted by: SH at December 11, 2019 04:14 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at December 11, 2019 04:14 PM (sWM8x)
Which is spectacularly unsurprising.
Posted by: DocJ at December 11, 2019 04:14 PM (DU2N9)
Geraldo Rivera @GeraldoRivera
#FBIAbuseofPower has been clearly demonstrated. I love cops, but undoubtedly there was an informal cabal within the Bureau dedicated to taking down @realDonaldTrump by any means necessary.
My only quibble might be with his word, informal.
Posted by: Lady in Black at December 11, 2019 04:09 PM (JoUsr)
Actually, Geraldo is correct. At no time did any in the cabal wear a tux and tails.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 11, 2019 04:14 PM (sy5kK)
-Horowitz
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 04:10 PM (q80AH)
It was signed in ink, not blood.
So not really binding.
Posted by: Satan. at December 11, 2019 04:14 PM (NgKpN)
They're just a "basket of deplorables", who are "irredeemable", and need to be put into camps.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 11, 2019 04:14 PM (I2/tG)
Posted by: tubal at December 11, 2019 04:08 PM (90T4r)
Sent to Gulag.
Posted by: Roland THTG at December 11, 2019 04:14 PM (88+cf)
Posted by: Aviator at December 11, 2019 04:09 PM (2cuLk)
+++++++++++
Skyline Chili is some kind of weird war crime that is allowed to masquerade as a restaurant.
I like Cincinnati, but Skyline gives me serious pause.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2019 04:14 PM (I2dne)
Keep things compartmentalized. Keep prime elements in different jurisdictions, so that the IG can't gather all the relevant details. Make sure the IG has no authoritative power to coerce information.
And never, ever, admit wrongdoing.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 11, 2019 04:14 PM (hbTkw)
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They come by it honestly
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:11 PM (KZzsI)
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Genetics is the power behind all.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 11, 2019 04:15 PM (NVYyb)
If there's one person in this mess that gets to feel that way, it's him.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 11, 2019 04:15 PM (4thlk)
But it doesn't really matter why they did it in the end. All that matters is that they did do it. Bias is a distraction. They violated hosts of laws, rules, procedures, and protocol in their lust to destroy a sitting president based on lies under oath.
And that's enough to be making big rocks into little rocks for the rest of your life in club fed.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:15 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Tami at December 11, 2019 04:15 PM (cF8AT)
Remember his public statements against Trump's tariffs on Mexico and how they would do... something?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Clinesmith did not kill himself. at December 11, 2019 04:15 PM (vBc2/)
why do all these Dem senators sound like idiots?
They come by it honestly
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:11 PM (KZzs
THAT'S A LOAD OF MALARKEY WITH A SIDE OF HOOEY AND JIBBER JABBER.
Posted by: Joe Biden's Stink Eye at December 11, 2019 04:15 PM (ymnmz)
So... how exactly does this "fruit of the poisoned tree" doctrine work. Like, if warrants and investigations were obtained through lies and deliberate falsehood... and information was gathered using illegal methods... does that not mean that any convictions thence obtained are overthrown?
No, it only applies in criminal prosecutions. Impeachment is constitutionally a separate animal entirely. It is a process that is beyond court review as a "political question."
THat's why the House can make up bullshit rules like "Rs get 2 minutes for witnesses" and such. There is no due process, only the bare bones of procedure in the Constitution. That's why the Senate has to convict by 2/3.
It's meant for truly treasonous or tyrannical presidents to be removed from office. Not penny-ante crap like this. That's why Johnson's impeachment failed. Everyone in DC hated him, but actually throwing him out of office was still a bridge too far.
Posted by: imp at December 11, 2019 04:15 PM (SFOr6)
Posted by: SturmToddler at December 11, 2019 04:16 PM (8D42x)
Graham forgets all his promises the moment the cameras are turned off.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 11, 2019 04:16 PM (U7qMl)
Remember one of the Strzok/Page texts where Strzok mentioned that he had a nice little chat with one of the FISA judges at a dinner party?
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 11, 2019 04:16 PM (I2/tG)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Clinesmith did not kill himself. at December 11, 2019 04:16 PM (vBc2/)
Posted by: JROD at December 11, 2019 04:16 PM (PwMYk)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at Dece
*******
My 15 year old daughter calls him Angry Kermit
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 11, 2019 04:17 PM (flINI)
#FBIAbuseofPower has been clearly demonstrated. I love cops, but undoubtedly there was an informal cabal within the Bureau dedicated to taking down @realDonaldTrump by any means necessary.
My only quibble might be with his word, informal.
Posted by: Lady in Black at December 11, 2019 04:09 PM (JoUsr)
+++++++++++++++
Yeah. Jerry Rivers always finds a way to underdeliver.
The problem is not some informal cabal, Jerry. It's the entire G-ddamn government, at very least every part of it involved in LE or intelligence and virtually all of congress.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2019 04:17 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 11, 2019 04:17 PM (NVYyb)
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at December 11, 2019 04:17 PM (ExV1e)
Posted by: weft cut-loop
Duh. A salt rifle.
Posted by: Brother Cavil
Democrats, Media, and Deep State:
Hostis Humani Generis
at December 11, 2019 04:17 PM (Rvlwi)
Probably decades. Its pretty obvious that their modus operandi has been "I know this guy is guilty, so lets make the evidence"
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:17 PM (KZzsI)
Ti=me, not to be outdone, named Greta Thunberg, the severely demented autistic Green Hitler as their Person of the Year.
Inventors? Soldiers? Geniuses? Liberty-pormoters? TAKE A BACK SEAT to your betters!!!
Posted by: zombie at December 11, 2019 04:18 PM (fK2gX)
up and down for the absolute, unquestionable integrity of their Deep
State friends and sources, as well as for the truthfulness of their ally
Adam Schiff.
And remember the people who were open to doubting the alleged LG Paladins of the Deep State.
And make your news and commentary consumption choices based on that knowledge.
Well said.
Posted by: Dr Spank at December 11, 2019 04:18 PM (4e+hS)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at December 11, 2019 04:18 PM (SRRAx)
1) Nothing
2) Private retribution
3) Public condemnation
4) Night of the long knives
I'm betting on #1.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2019 04:18 PM (I2dne)
Graham: "This is the beginning not the end of this committee's involvement. Much more to follow."
Posted by: Tami
Forgive me if I just keep working on this 1000 pc puzzle while I wait.
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at December 11, 2019 04:18 PM (LOq4H)
Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 11, 2019 04:18 PM (ngSZO)
--
I think it's silly to think otherwise. Heck, our own (D) SCOTUS justices are expected to vote (D) every time. It's a given.
There's no reason to think these lower ranked, less scrutinized high ups would be any different.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Clinesmith did not kill himself. at December 11, 2019 04:18 PM (vBc2/)
Posted by: zombie at December 11, 2019 04:19 PM (fK2gX)
Posted by: Tami
I thought committees couldn't do shit?
Isn't that what Trey Gowdy taught us?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 04:19 PM (BN/jk)
We would have never known about any of this if she had won.
Posted by: Sooner at December 11, 2019 04:19 PM (Fs5vw)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:17 PM (KZzsI)
Parallel construction.
Illegally spy. Establish the predicate to officially investigate by lawful means. Generate unimpeachable evidence.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 11, 2019 04:19 PM (1CjJc)
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 11, 2019 04:19 PM (NVYyb)
All against Trump.
We're talking winning the $314 million PowerBall percentages-level probability here.
Or, just maybe, it was planned this way.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 11, 2019 04:19 PM (sy5kK)
Well obviously, but I'm referring to the Special Prosecutor's office and convictions that they pulled off. Flynn, et al.
Seems like the entire process was corrupted and rotten to the core, which usually gets people out of jail. Or at least, that's what they claim on TV.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:19 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at December 11, 2019 04:17 PM (ExV1e)
Got that too.
Have no idea what a Blue Alert is.
Some dude in desperate need of getting laid?
Posted by: Sponge at December 11, 2019 04:19 PM (Zz0t1)
Seeing all this CRAP makes me physically ill and I can't escape the thought that my 40 years of service have been a TOTAL FUCKING WASTE of my time.
Posted by: RobertM at December 11, 2019 03:56 PM (Ditc0)
The amazing thing about this recent turn of events is that the conservatives and the liberals have completely reversed their view of government over your time of service.
40 year ago, Hollywood was making conspiracy movies that had the CIA and FBI as bad guys, and liberals ate them up. The entire time, conservatives were sticking up for the establishment. Eight years of Obama completely turned us against them, and spying on Trump put the cherry on the top of that sundae for us.
Now, a conservative would be crazy to cooperate with the FBI without a lawyer present to assist them.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 11, 2019 04:20 PM (iuFgi)
Posted by: Tami
I thought committees couldn't do shit?
Isn't that what Trey Gowdy taught us?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 04:19 PM (BN/jk)
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It kind of depends on where the recommendations go.
Gowdy was sending them to Loretta Lynch and Eric Holder.
Graham will be sending them to William Barr.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 04:20 PM (q80AH)
Clearly the selectors were not people who experienced the Toxic Shock and blessedly short-lived Natural Sea Sponge era of feminine hygiene.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 11, 2019 04:20 PM (gCAC6)
Richard Jewell, Steven Hatfill, Waco, Ruby Ridge-- there are endless examples of the FBI swinging their big bureaucratic balls around to coerce, brutalize, and extort. Even outright lies and fabrications, now all the way up to the top of the government itself.
And then to plead incompetence when caught or when it's more convenient.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 11, 2019 04:20 PM (hbTkw)
Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at December 11, 2019 04:20 PM (RD7QR)
Some dude in desperate need of getting laid?
Posted by: Sponge at December 11, 2019 04:19 PM (Zz0t1)
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That's a "Blue Balls" alert.
Posted by: Captain Obvious at December 11, 2019 04:21 PM (3Z6pZ)
laws are for the little people. time for people to disappear.
Posted by: Cooper at December 11, 2019 04:21 PM (l8qDP)
Posted by: Aviator at December 11, 2019 04:09 PM (2cuLk)
+++++++++++
Skyline Chili is some kind of weird war crime that is allowed to masquerade as a restaurant.
I like Cincinnati, but Skyline gives me serious pause.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2019 04:14 PM (I2dne)
*********
They're the ones that put cinnamon in their chili too! The HUMANITIES
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 11, 2019 04:21 PM (flINI)
So now that Trump is president he has gone insane and supports all this NeverTrump shit. And has no problem with what the Left is continuing to burn down. I wouldn't have believed it I didn't see it. We're not really friends anymore.
I wouldn't have believed it was possible to be like this without being paid for it.
Posted by: ... at December 11, 2019 04:21 PM (Uqfai)
So... how exactly does this "fruit of the poisoned tree" doctrine work.
Like, if warrants and investigations were obtained through lies and
deliberate falsehood... and information was gathered using illegal
methods... does that not mean that any convictions thence obtained are
overthrown?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:04 PM (KZzsI)
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I expect all persons living and dead (i.e. their families) who were investigated by the FBI and convicted of crimes to now challenge all of those. Just like all cases tried involving a crooked prosecutor ir cop would be.
Posted by: ShainS at December 11, 2019 04:21 PM (5FTSd)
Or, just maybe, it was planned this way.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg
I know you're a bright man, so why such a low %?
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at December 11, 2019 04:21 PM (LOq4H)
Some dude in desperate need of getting laid?
A Blue Alert has just been issued on behalf of half the inhabitants of Earth.
Thank You.
Posted by: eleven at December 11, 2019 04:21 PM (M0u+N)
Supreme Court decisions have been overthrown before.
Stare Decisis is no where in the Constitution.
The Constitution is clear that Impeachment should be predicated on a crime or misdemeanor AT THE VERY LEAST.
Neither of the two charges now leveled at Trump, are even against the law. Which makes these 'charges' ex post facto.
All the while not allowing him due process under said Law.
They are so far outside the box on this, that I could easily see the Supremes weighing in.
Posted by: Don Q at December 11, 2019 04:22 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth
FOR OUR HARD OF LEARNING FOLK PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT A BLUE ALERT IS.
Posted by: Official AosHq closed captioning brought to you by AoP Transmission Specialists at December 11, 2019 04:22 PM (8JNKm)
Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at December 11, 2019 04:22 PM (ijfNv)
Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 11, 2019 04:22 PM (ngSZO)
Posted by: eleven at December 11, 2019 04:22 PM (M0u+N)
1) Nothing
2) Private retribution
3) Public condemnation
4) Night of the long knives
I'm betting on #1.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2019 04:18 PM (I2dne)
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As I've been bitching about, the next subpoena should go to John Roberts, He is in charge of the FISC and appoints its members.
What the hell has he been doing about these crimes? Besides being an accessory after the fact, I mean.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 11, 2019 04:22 PM (NVYyb)
Clearly the selectors were not people who experienced the Toxic Shock and blessedly short-lived Natural Sea Sponge era of feminine hygiene.
Posted by: Grump928(C)
"Rely Lied and My Sister Died!"
Posted by: zombie at December 11, 2019 04:22 PM (fK2gX)
........
My senator Dino Finkelstein tells me there is no deep state, so there must be no deep state because she's so smart and shit. Especially when hiring drivers and choosing hair color.
Posted by: wth at December 11, 2019 04:22 PM (v0R5T)
NOT GUILTY.
Don't even care if I think the perp is guilty. If the Swamp is involved in any way?
NOT GUILTY.
Now, ask me if I would have ever imagined I'd have that attitude in my most incredible visions of how my life would evolve. The answer is, never in a billion years.
Fuck Deep State sideways with a flaming barbed-wire covered pineapple.
Posted by: DocJ at December 11, 2019 04:23 PM (DU2N9)
why do we need a FISA court again?
Posted by: x at December 11, 2019 04:23 PM (nFwvY)
Posted by: Official AosHq closed captioning brought to you by AoP Transmission Specialists at
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It means there are too many Democrats in Houston.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 11, 2019 04:23 PM (NVYyb)
Like, if warrants and investigations were obtained through lies and
deliberate falsehood... and information was gathered using illegal
methods... does that not mean that any convictions thence obtained are
overthrown?
It used to be that way but the conservative (police-friendly) Rehnquist court largely hollowed out the doctrine by creating so many exceptions to it that, as they say, the exceptions swallowed the rule.
"Fruit of the poisoned tree" is now more of a rhetorical device than an actual living doctrine.
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2019 04:24 PM (PbpT7)
And then to plead incompetence when caught or when it's more convenient.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 11, 2019 04:20 PM (hbTkw)
Latest example? The Bundy Ranch crap?
Posted by: Don Q at December 11, 2019 04:24 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at December 11, 2019 04:24 PM (ayFCE)
Who signed these things, besides Roddy and Dana Boente?
Posted by: CN at December 11, 2019 04:24 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: DocJ at December 11, 2019 04:24 PM (DU2N9)
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at December 11, 2019 04:17 PM (ExV1e)
Got that too.
Have no idea what a Blue Alert is.
Some dude in desperate need of getting laid?
Posted by: Sponge
Guy who ran over and killed a cop outside of Houston. Statewide alert.
FYI - Law enforcement officials have issued a Blue Alert for the suspect who hit and killed a Houston-area police officer last night. The Blue Alerts are meant to inform the community of a suspect on the run wanted for assaulting and/or killing a police officer.
They want his ass.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 04:24 PM (BN/jk)
--
That's amazing. I wasn't thrilled he go the nomination because I expected a NY (R), but he's literally THE most conservative president we've had in 100 years and I can't hardly wait to vote for him again.
I can't imagine sticking with a position after I see beyond a doubt how and where I'm wrong.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Clinesmith did not kill himself. at December 11, 2019 04:25 PM (vBc2/)
Posted by: Beldar's locker room memoirs at December 11, 2019 04:25 PM (FhXTo)
Posted by: CN at December 11, 2019 04:25 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: Tonypete at December 11, 2019 04:12 PM (Y4EXg)
I answered on the ONT but can't find it now. FenSpouse was expecting more of drama than a documentary but we both liked it very much.The woman playing Faustina was transparently lovely and, as you probably know, apparently doing the role positively affected her faith life. I thought the acting of the people playing Faustina and Fr. Sopoko (sp?) was great, and I loved the enthusiasm of the various people who involved with Divine Mercy ministries. I also liked the discussion regarding the Shroud of Tuirn very interesting. I think anyone who
is RC or does the Divine Mercy Chaplet would enjoy it I also found the story of the nun who runs a hospice very inspiring, so it had a positive effect on my view of my ministry and gave e ideas for sermons.
And I think you should post your fine review.
And if you and your wife go up to the Divine Mercy Center in Stockbridge please take FenSpouse and me with you,
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2019 04:25 PM (WI7YS)
Someone needs a hug.
Posted by: Sponge at December 11, 2019 04:25 PM (Zz0t1)
Barr 2024
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at December 11, 2019 04:25 PM (LWu6U)
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at December 11, 2019 04:25 PM (jjaLl)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 11, 2019 04:25 PM (gCAC6)
FenlonSpoke, Pravda was the Soviet Union of the 60's-70's-80's.
Today, the proper spelling is "Progda".
I think it is shorthand for Progressive Propaganda.
Progda. Say it loud and say it often.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 11, 2019 04:25 PM (sy5kK)
well, since the FISA court cannot or will not control it's own scene, someone else will. right now that appears to be Hillary.
why do we need a FISA court again?
Posted by: x at December 11, 2019 04:23 PM (nFwvY)
To protect our betters from our more vulgar (yet appropriate) instincts.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 11, 2019 04:25 PM (1CjJc)
Posted by: JROD at December 11, 2019 04:26 PM (PwMYk)
Also, I should have pointed out first that the fruit of the poisonous tree refers to suppressing EVIDENCE which has been collected from "poisoned" (unconstitutional) soiurces, not really throwing out cases. (Though if enough evidence in a case is excluded, that can result in the end of the case or the vacating of a prior conviction, obviously.)
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2019 04:26 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: Don Q
Ding ding ding. Winner winner chicken dinner!
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 04:26 PM (BN/jk)
Don't even care if I think the perp is guilty. If the Swamp is involved in any way?
Yeah I would love to get involved in a tax case.
"What's that? The defendant refused to pay taxes for 25 years, and further broke into the IRS and stole six pallets of cash to buy an island populated entirely with Eastern European Women? You have a signed confession and videotape? Yeah... not guilty."
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:26 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at December 11, 2019 04:25 PM (jjaLl)
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It's extremely unkind to the FBI. Its conclusions are just mealy-mouthed.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 04:26 PM (q80AH)
Actually, this needs to be thing if only to piss off the left.
They constantly criticize him, I think because they are afraid of him and nothing would piss them off more.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at December 11, 2019 04:26 PM (LWu6U)
Guy who ran over and killed a cop outside of Houston. Statewide alert.
FYI - Law enforcement officials have issued a Blue Alert for the suspect who hit and killed a Houston-area police officer last night. The Blue Alerts are meant to inform the community of a suspect on the run wanted for assaulting and/or killing a police officer.
They want his ass.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 04:24 PM (BN/jk)
First I've ever heard of it. They should probably announce to the public when they add these things.
I know what an Amber Alert is.
I know what a Silver Alert is.
They've said nothing about a Blue Alert.
Posted by: Sponge at December 11, 2019 04:26 PM (Zz0t1)
Progda. Say it loud and say it often.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 11, 2019 04:25 PM (sy5kK)
Written and edited by proglodytes.
Posted by: CN at December 11, 2019 04:26 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: Nevyan at December 11, 2019 04:27 PM (J4uXz)
Posted by: SSBN 656
Zero criminal referrals.
Not really.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 04:27 PM (BN/jk)
Have you heard anymore about the financial situations around NT's publications?
I know you had heard about the ultimatum presented to NRO about David French's involvement a while back.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 04:27 PM (q80AH)
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2019 04:27 PM (PbpT7)
nomination because I expected a NY (R), but he's literally THE most
conservative president we've had in 100 years and I can't hardly wait to
vote for him again.
I can't imagine sticking with a position after I see beyond a doubt how and where I'm wrong.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Clinesmith
Not thrilled either, however, I was bailed out by my vote R 99% of the time rule.
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at December 11, 2019 04:27 PM (LOq4H)
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at December 11, 2019 04:21 PM (LOq4H)
+++++++++++++
If they were accidents, there should have been variance of direction from the baseline. In other words, if perfectly distributed, half of the errors should have favored Trump and the other should have gone against him.
In this case, there were 17 "errors." Every single one of them went against Trump. It is, therefore, very unlikely that these were "errors." I think in this case if I remember my college math (and I probably don't) it would be 0.5 (odds of an error going against Trump) raised to the power of 17 to find the odds of this many consecutive "errors" in the same direction actually being accidental.
That is something like 0.00077%
Odds of hitting the CO state lottery are worse than that by a wide margin.
But neither is likely.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2019 04:27 PM (I2dne)
And if you and your wife go up to the Divine Mercy Center in Stockbridge please take FenSpouse and me with you,
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
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Hi - Perhaps on the ONT tonight.
We are tentatively planning on going next summer. I will certainly let you know and we can all go together.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 11, 2019 04:27 PM (Y4EXg)
Posted by: Official AosHq closed captioning brought to you by AoP Transmission Specialists at December 11, 2019 04:28 PM (8JNKm)
Typos, 'Found the discussion of the Shroud of Turin very interesting." There were only about 8 people there (I don't know how many were there when you went) but I informed a RC lady there that there still is is a diary of St Faustina available for anyone to read.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2019 04:28 PM (WI7YS)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 11, 2019 04:28 PM (aJkzG)
Have you heard anymore about the financial situations around NT's publications?
I know you had heard about the ultimatum presented to NRO about David French's involvement a while back.
...
I don't think so. Actually I've heard a little, but I can't remember it now, and also, I don't have confirmation for it.
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2019 04:28 PM (PbpT7)
Like the last one, its packed with tons of damning information which was ignored and tossed into the shredder, focusing only on the executive summary which basically said everything was fine.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:28 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at December 11, 2019 04:29 PM (P96+U)
I know what an Amber Alert is.
I know what a Silver Alert is.
They've said nothing about a Blue Alert.
Posted by: Sponge
Yeah. My phone went off. Wife's phone went off.
She texted me and asked if I got it. She had to explain it.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 04:29 PM (BN/jk)
Posted by: ChicagoRefugee at December 11, 2019 04:29 PM (2RPeW)
I don't think so. Actually I've heard a little, but I can't remember it now, and also, I don't have confirmation for it.
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2019 04:28 PM (PbpT7)
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The sidebar additions, mostly the tenor, made me think you might have heard something.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 04:29 PM (q80AH)
Where you been the last 8 years, asshole?
Posted by: Sponge at December 11, 2019 04:29 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at December 11, 2019 04:25 PM (jjaLl)
........
went from dud to quite the little BOMBSHELL
Posted by: wth at December 11, 2019 04:30 PM (v0R5T)
more like specuwishing
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2019 04:30 PM (PbpT7)
>>Not really.
Horowitz said he referred the entire report to the FBI/DOJ for review. This is on top of Clinsemith specifically.
Yea, it was very bad.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 11, 2019 04:30 PM (ZLI7S)
I'm on the side of law and order and want the bad guys to be put away, but I'm sick of the cops cheating and abusing human rights in the name of "but its harder to do it your way!"
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:30 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: scoldilocks at December 11, 2019 04:30 PM (U7qMl)
To protect us from...ummm... bad actors. spying on us. and stuff.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 11, 2019 04:30 PM (r+sAi)
The pictures from the Fall looked lovely.
We went to the Padre Pio Center in PA and that was very interesting too. Padre Pio is another one of my favorite Saints.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2019 04:30 PM (WI7YS)
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2019 04:30 PM (PbpT7)
Odds of hitting the CO state lottery are worse than that by a wide margin.
But neither is likely.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2019 04:27 PM (I2dne)
Doesn't this exceed the 'coincidence vs Enemy Action' count by 14?
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 11, 2019 04:30 PM (DI/ar)
The Constitution is clear that Impeachment should be predicated on a crime or misdemeanor AT THE VERY LEAST.
Neither of the two charges now leveled at Trump, are even against the law. Which makes these 'charges' ex post facto.
All the while not allowing him due process under said Law.
They are so far outside the box on this, that I could easily see the Supremes weighing in.
Posted by: Don Q at December 11, 2019 04:22 PM (NgKpN)
I was in conversation yesterday about this exact thing.
Schiff and Nadless committees acted so unlawfully, and against the basic tenants of the Constitution, that if the Senate even accepts the House findings, that would be unlawful.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 11, 2019 04:30 PM (sy5kK)
Posted by: ChicagoRefugee at December 11, 2019 04:29 PM (2RPeW)
The Donk tribe
Posted by: CN at December 11, 2019 04:30 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: Professor Karlint at December 11, 2019 04:31 PM (PtOP4)
I have watched in amazement during the so called impeachment inquiry what is said by the main stream/Democrat/left News(?) outlets and then compared what they say just happened with what is said at conservative (the real kind) News (actual) outlets and it's like day and night.
The left media says they proved everything about Trump impeachability while the right media says they proved nothing or worse.
How does that happen when they supposedly watched the same hearings and heard the same testimony (?) from the same people?
It boggles the mind.
Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at December 11, 2019 04:31 PM (iDOB7)
more like specuwishing
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2019 04:30 PM (PbpT7)
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I like the word. You're like a modern Shakespeare, or something.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 04:31 PM (q80AH)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 04:26 PM (q80AH)
I don't believe the conclusions and summary are the point of the report; between the actual text and today's testimony, there is a good foundation for Barr and Durham to build on, especially in the public's eye.
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at December 11, 2019 04:31 PM (jjaLl)
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2019 04:30 PM (PbpT7)
We find this method admissible in a court of law.
Posted by: Snopes! at December 11, 2019 04:31 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Mirror Universe Phil Collins at December 11, 2019 04:31 PM (A2eXZ)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:31 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: x at December 11, 2019 04:32 PM (nFwvY)
Yea, it was very bad.
Posted by: JackStraw
That's why Barr had to come out and publicly disagree with his findings.
(Makes shake weight motion with hand)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 04:32 PM (BN/jk)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2019 04:32 PM (WI7YS)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
I actually thought to odds were closer to being beaned by a meteorite.
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at December 11, 2019 04:32 PM (LOq4H)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 04:26 PM (q80AH)
I don't believe the conclusions and summary are the point of the report; between the actual text and today's testimony, there is a good foundation for Barr and Durham to build on, especially in the public's eye.
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at December 11, 2019 04:31 PM (jjaLl)
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Yeah, I agree.
I would also like to see things actually happen.
My own patience is running thin. It'd be nice to see the evidence collection phase end at some point and the prosecution phase begin.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 04:32 PM (q80AH)
***
#twoweeks
Posted by: 18-1 at December 11, 2019 04:32 PM (WdocV)
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at December 11, 2019 04:21 PM (LOq4H)
+++++++++++++
If they were accidents, there should have been variance of direction from the baseline. In other words, if perfectly distributed, half of the errors should have favored Trump and the other should have gone against him.
In this case, there were 17 "errors." Every single one of them went against Trump. It is, therefore, very unlikely that these were "errors." I think in this case if I remember my college math (and I probably don't) it would be 0.5 (odds of an error going against Trump) raised to the power of 17 to find the odds of this many consecutive "errors" in the same direction actually being accidental.
That is something like 0.00077%
Odds of hitting the CO state lottery are worse than that by a wide margin.
But neither is likely.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2019 04:27 PM (I2dne)
Always do the math. Lawyers don't math unless billable hours.
Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 11, 2019 04:32 PM (ngSZO)
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 11, 2019 04:32 PM (JRaU+)
Same reason hunterbiden will not be supeenied by the peach mint crowd - they can't. armeggeden. goes to the top & far & wide.
Posted by: phaedrus at December 11, 2019 04:32 PM (hlhOX)
Posted by: wth at December 11, 2019 04:30 PM (v0R5T)
I knew it! The walls are closing in on the FBI, DOJ, Comey, Brennen, Clapper, Clinton, Obama, Lynch, Page, Strzok, Biden, etc, etc
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 11, 2019 04:32 PM (DI/ar)
more like specuwishing
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2019 04:30 PM (PbpT7)
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I like the word. You're like a modern Shakespeare, or something.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 04:31 PM (q80AH)
A modern Seuss.
Posted by: Someguy at December 11, 2019 04:32 PM (7nTlT)
Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 11, 2019 04:32 PM (U7qMl)
I know the names but will suppress them...
When Ned Ryun appeared on Tucker Carlson to criticize Paul Singer's cash-money "conservatism" agenda, a "reporter" formerly paid by an organization funded by Paul Singer immediately began digging into Ned Ryun and trying to get dirt about Ryun's 501(c)(3)...
Now was that just abiding affection, or did someone promise someone some cash for a hit?
I have my suspicions, because I don't get the sense that people feel affection for Paul Singer.
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2019 04:32 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: It's me donna at December 11, 2019 04:33 PM (6XlcD)
They don't listen to or read the transcripts of the GOP questioning and response. No reason it will all be just spin and lies anyway and besides we all KNOW Trump is guilty anyway, so why waste time?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:33 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: chique d'Epstein didn't off hisself at December 11, 2019 04:33 PM (9hauA)
If, say, a warrant was corruptly obtained, but on its face seems
legal and plausible, and an officer conducts a search believing the
warrant is sound, then the evidence will not be excluded, even though it
is "fruit of the poisoned tree."
I'm on the side of law and order and want the bad guys to be put
away, but I'm sick of the cops cheating and abusing human rights in the
name of "but its harder to do it your way!"
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:30 PM (KZzsI)
But if there was no evidence found and then the cops railroaded the guy and his associates for two years based on the false warrant ....mmmm it's all good?
Posted by: Joe Biden's Stink Eye at December 11, 2019 04:33 PM (ymnmz)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2019 04:32 PM (WI7YS)
I'm here to validate your emotions
Posted by: Sockmund Freud at December 11, 2019 04:33 PM (U7k5w)
You know that they all knew this report was going to be bad, and maybe they figured the country would be bored of trial and intrigue after their sham trials.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at December 11, 2019 04:33 PM (LWu6U)
Posted by: ace
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Outside of VDH, I would be willing to bet that every 'independent commentator' who gets paid to comment is being paid to shade their commentary. Who else would pay to hear an opinion? Certainly not enough for said commentator to make a living.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 11, 2019 04:33 PM (YslsA)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2019 04:32 PM (WI7YS)
I'm here to validate your emotions
Posted by: Sockmund Freud at December 11, 2019 04:33 PM (U7k5w)
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Don't ask me to talk about my mother.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 04:34 PM (q80AH)
Barr 2024
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at December 11, 2019 04:25 PM (LWu6U)
If I had half a billion and balls of steel, I'd run.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2019 04:34 PM (zBaqJ)
Not really.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 04:27 PM (BN/jk)
Meh. If you were looking for referrals from this IG report, you were looking in the wrong place. I am talking about investigative facts that are now on the record, along with today's testimony... A great foundation for the still-ongoing investigations of Barr and Durham to build upon.
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at December 11, 2019 04:34 PM (jjaLl)
Posted by: The Mafia at December 11, 2019 04:34 PM (gmo/4)
legal and plausible, and an officer conducts a search believing the
warrant is sound, then the evidence will not be excluded, even though it
is "fruit of the poisoned tree."
---------------
What if we just kill the two occupants instead?
Posted by: Houston Police Department at December 11, 2019 04:34 PM (sX1BW)
If you are in the FBI? You can f*ck up the most important work you'll ever do, launching a multi-million dollar investigation for nothing and apparently that is a-ok.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 11, 2019 04:34 PM (WdocV)
Posted by: Rod the white hat at December 11, 2019 04:35 PM (U7k5w)
The most reliable network there is: Trump's tweets
Posted by: t-bird at December 11, 2019 04:35 PM (J3qJd)
If I had half a billion and balls of steel, I'd run.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2019 04:34 PM (zBaqJ)
I have balls of blue. Will that help?
Posted by: Snopes! at December 11, 2019 04:35 PM (Zz0t1)
***
Wake me up when someone gets a no-knock raid and some jail time.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 11, 2019 04:35 PM (WdocV)
more like specuwishing
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2019 04:30 PM (PbpT7)
Can specuwishing be Pine-scented?
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 11, 2019 04:35 PM (sy5kK)
Posted by: Braenyard at December 11, 2019 04:36 PM (5TmO/)
I look over, and she has her video feed on, with me walking around in my underwear.
Come on, woman. I ain't giving it away for free.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 11, 2019 04:36 PM (1CjJc)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 04:29 PM
Everyone here knows it's the bass solo that conveys the most emotion.
Posted by: zombie John Entwistle at December 11, 2019 04:36 PM (vjm8B)
name of "but its harder to do it your way!"
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
But if there was no evidence found and then the cops railroaded the guy and his associates for two years based on the false warrant ....mmmm it's all good?
Posted by: Joe Biden's Stink Eye
How about, when no evidence is found, they move on to the next lawbreaker?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 04:36 PM (BN/jk)
I look over, and she has her video feed on, with me walking around in my underwear.
Come on, woman. I ain't giving it away for free.
...
hah
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2019 04:37 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 11, 2019 04:37 PM (Dh1wo)
I also found parts of it-as you noted in your review-very funny. I can have a big, booming laugh. I think it sometimes embarrasses my husband (It sure embarrasses my teen) but they love me anyway.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2019 04:37 PM (WI7YS)
Posted by: Rod the white hat at December 11, 2019 04:35 PM (U7k5w)
Imagine being an FBI guy and receiving this info......
We need you to tap the phones in Trump tower along with monitoring his campaign team.
Why?
We have reason to believe that he is a Russian Agent.
How so?
There are reports that he paid hookers to piss on a bed that Barack Owebama slept in while in Russia.
BWWWWWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Oh, wait.....you're serious?!?
Posted by: Snopes! at December 11, 2019 04:37 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: That irredeemable guy who always says... at December 11, 2019 04:37 PM (vtcmf)
here's a good one for you then: A swat team sicced on a lady by her ex who was told she was armed to the teeth and they were sent on a wellness visit. (who sends a swat team on a wellness visit?)
They broke in surrounded her in bed while she was asleep and when they woke her up she decided that being awakened by a bunch of armed guys was a bit alarming pulled a gun. She was then tazed then shot.
She is now being tried for 2 counts of attempted murder of an leo and some gun violations. All felony accounts.
Only in America. (well granted in some other countries they would've just shot and kept on shooting till she was dead)
Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at December 11, 2019 04:37 PM (iDOB7)
Posted by: Snopes! at December 11, 2019 04:35 PM (Zz0t1)
And they just set off your lovely eyes!
Posted by: The Mafia at December 11, 2019 04:37 PM (gmo/4)
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at December 11, 2019 04:34 PM (jjaLl)
Problem is that some of this information has been known for quite awhile inside the FBI and DOJ.
If an IG report is not needed to prosecute, and you already HAD the information, why are their no indictments NOW?
or, to put it another way, why did all this stuff have to wait on an IG who could not prosecute ANYWAY?
Posted by: Don Q at December 11, 2019 04:37 PM (NgKpN)
I didn't know that the fruit of the poison tree doctrine had been so hollowed out as to be meaningless. This gives me sadz.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 11, 2019 04:37 PM (gd9RK)
That goes beyond "well we meant well" or "we would have got there anyway"
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:37 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: willow at December 11, 2019 04:38 PM (KGxGi)
Today, it was the banner headlines and number one talking point of the democrats:
"There was no bias"
Of course, Horowitz only said no one admitted it under oath and no one explicitly wrote down that they broke the law because they hated Trump.
Instead of pounding on the main message that there was bias as evidenced by the FBI's actions, which Horowitz agreed with numerous times, our squad had tangent points they wanted make.
Stick to the fucking script.
One of our team should have said "if a cable network anchor or major newspaper said that you exonerated the FBI of any political bias, would you call that person a liar?"
Triple Dog Fuck.
Posted by: jwest at December 11, 2019 04:38 PM (U6f/q)
mostly meaningless. in some cases an exception won't apply or the corruption in getting the evidence will "shock the conscience" and it will be suppressed.
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2019 04:38 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: Rod the white hat at December 11, 2019 04:35 PM (U7k5w)
Telling that they think that this is believable, understandable behavior.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 11, 2019 04:38 PM (1CjJc)
Posted by: ace
remember when radio DJs did that and it was a federal criminal case worthy of congressional hearings? and they were just trying to sell some 45s.
Posted by: x at December 11, 2019 04:38 PM (nFwvY)
Following Following @ChuckRossDC
More
Oof.
Blumenthal: "[FISAs] are renewed because they are producing useful information, correct?"
IG: "Or they should be producing useful information."
Blumenthal: "...they were producing useful information, correct?"
IG: "I'm not sure that's entirely correct."
Video: https://tinyurl.com/vvvhgqu
Posted by: Tami at December 11, 2019 04:39 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 11, 2019 04:37 PM (gd9RK)
To be fair, we were once described as 'crack-whore monkeys' by our leader.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at December 11, 2019 04:39 PM (ayFCE)
the evidence collection phase end at some point and the prosecution
phase begin.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 04:32 PM (q80AH)
Yup. I'm with you 100% there..... but I have to admit, what I'm hearing about Horowitz's testimony has buoyed me a bit..... haven't seen any but what I'm reading is encouraging......
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at December 11, 2019 04:39 PM (jjaLl)
Reminder that Murkowski (Ugh) replaced Stevens, which made me more p'od.
Posted by: redridinghood at December 11, 2019 04:39 PM (wiXsO)
Posted by: SSBN 656
Barr and Durham didn't need this fucking clown show to use as a foundation for an investigation.
And if they DID, God help us, nothing WILL happen.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 04:39 PM (BN/jk)
Willow,
Right there with you. Ugh.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 11, 2019 04:39 PM (Boy/L)
I feel like such a dumb sap for having believed in the good of these institutions
Posted by: willow at December 11, 2019 04:38 PM (KGxGi)
I stopped believing in their good intentions when they fried the kids in Waco because Koresh was a 'bad man'.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 11, 2019 04:39 PM (aJkzG)
Posted by: VMom's phone (aka VM's phone) at December 11, 2019 04:40 PM (EGSGm)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 11, 2019 04:37 PM (gd9RK)
Right? It's quite incredible.
Posted by: chique d'Epstein didn't off hisself at December 11, 2019 04:40 PM (9hauA)
They have the goods on Clinesmith.. So now they can squeeze him for a lighter sentence..
Who instructed you to do this, Mr. Clinesmith???
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 11, 2019 04:40 PM (so+oy)
I feel like such a dumb sap for having believed in the good of these institutions
I do too, and every time I talk to a real conservative, they say the same damn thing. "How could we have been so naive..." etc.
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2019 04:40 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 11, 2019 04:40 PM (JRaU+)
But if there was no evidence found and then the cops railroaded the guy and his associates for two years based on the false warrant ....mmmm it's all good?
Posted by: Joe Biden's Stink Eye
How about, when no evidence is found, they move on to the next lawbreaker?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 04:36 PM (BN/jk)
Simple, as Nancy Pelosi said in an interview, impeachment started 2 1/2 years ago, and she then mentioned Mueller.
Posted by: Don Q at December 11, 2019 04:40 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Rod the white hat at December 11, 2019 04:40 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 11, 2019 04:41 PM (aJkzG)
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2019 04:41 PM (PbpT7)
Who instructed you to do this, Mr. Clinesmith???
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This guy ain't talking. If he does, all that child porn peddling he did will come out.
Posted by: FBI at December 11, 2019 04:41 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: x at December 11, 2019 04:41 PM (nFwvY)
Seems to me there is a significant possibility (probability?) that the FISAs were/are cooperating with the fraud.
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Fair criticism.
Get rid of all of them.
FISA court justices - if we can't count on them then what is the point.
Posted by: SH at December 11, 2019 04:14 PM (sX1BW)
FISA seems far too uncritical with its 95 percent acceptance of applications. But if they were in on the game, they wouldn't have had to work so hard to lie to them.
The prototypical "Hawaii Circuit Judge" used to block Trump is corrupt and in on the game. FISA isn't, quite, in that same category.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 11, 2019 04:41 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Don Q at December 11, 2019 04:37 PM (NgKpN)
Yeah.... that's a hard one to answer.... maybe no "rank and file" agents would dare say anything about anything?
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at December 11, 2019 04:41 PM (jjaLl)
Then they started to get stacked with people who defined "Bad guy" as "my political foe"
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:41 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Agent George Costanza at December 11, 2019 04:41 PM (J3qJd)
Posted by: Don Q
Because! Super sekret reasons!
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 04:41 PM (BN/jk)
Ben Roethlisberger is gonna be after you for stealing all his caps.
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at December 11, 2019 04:41 PM (ExV1e)
Posted by: Sockmund Freud at December 11, 2019 04:33 PM (U7k5w
Well, uh, thanks. You do affirmation pretty well for a dead sock.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2019 04:42 PM (WI7YS)
Like the last one, its packed with tons of damning information which was ignored and tossed into the shredder, focusing only on the executive summary which basically said everything was fine.
Which why I keep syaing to start releasing these things without a summary. Make people read the report, and not the summary that is written to provide a spin the evidence doesn't support.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 11, 2019 04:42 PM (hbTkw)
b/r, I
Posted by: Iris at December 11, 2019 04:42 PM (lSFe/)
Understand fellow morons, that nothing the House or Senate do in an impeachment process can be unconstitutional, so long as the House indicts and the Senate convicts by 2/3. Nothing. They literally set their own rules as they see fit.
No Supreme Court imaginable would get in the middle of that. It's like when Hitler asked how many divisions the Pope had. In reality there is a 0% chance that teh Senate will convict Trump. Period.
If we had such a division in this country between legislative and executive branches that they removed the president because of personal distaste for him or his policies, we would want a new election anyway.
Posted by: imp at December 11, 2019 04:42 PM (SFOr6)
Fay Wray was doing this:
https://tinyurl.com/qvvnaja
Posted by: NOT THATB GUY at December 11, 2019 04:42 PM (VHM+K)
I don't get it
Posted by: willow at December 11, 2019 04:42 PM (KGxGi)
Why is that not an attempt to mislead the DOJ and Congress?
Why did Barr not take control of the conclusions of this report, as he did the Mueller report, to prevent it from being used to mislead the public?
Would the President not be perfectly justified in asking the question asked by the late, great Yogi Berra of an abysmal team he once managed, the New York Mets, "Doesn't anybody here know how to play this game?"
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at December 11, 2019 04:43 PM (pDWWk)
Posted by: Sockmund Freud at December 11, 2019 04:33 PM (U7k5w
Well, uh, thanks. You do affirmation pretty well for a dead sock.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2019 04:42 PM (WI7YS)
We socks live on. You're welcome.
Posted by: Sockmund Freud at December 11, 2019 04:43 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: chique d'Epstein didn't off hisself at December 11, 2019 04:43 PM (9hauA)
Yeah that always seemed way overblown to me. I mean it sucked for the acts who couldn't buy play time but seriously? This is a federal crime??
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:43 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: VMom's phone (aka VM's phone) at December 11, 2019 04:44 PM (EGSGm)
Posted by: ace at December 11, 2019 04:40 PM (PbpT7)
Don't be so hard on yourselves. We were all working, paying taxes, putting food on the table, etc. We voted for representatives that were to do their jobs.or, in other terms,
You fucked up. You Trusted us! - Brother Otter, US Government
Posted by: Archer at December 11, 2019 04:44 PM (gmo/4)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2019 04:44 PM (WI7YS)
This reminds me of the last time they questioned Horowitz after a
report. Theory information out and he seems willing to share the badness
but still he summarizes as badly done but likely innocent mistakes were
made...
I don't get it
Posted by: willow at December 11, 2019 04:42 PM (KGxGi)
Because jr interns in Cincinnati wrote the summary.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 11, 2019 04:44 PM (aJkzG)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at December 11, 2019 04:25 PM (LWu6U)
If I had half a billion and balls of steel, I'd run.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 11, 2019 04:34 PM (zBaqJ)
No lawyers.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 11, 2019 04:44 PM (eoQWY)
Understand fellow morons, that nothing the House or Senate do in an impeachment process can be unconstitutional, so long as the House indicts and the Senate convicts by 2/3. Nothing. They literally set their own rules as they see fit.
No Supreme Court imaginable would get in the middle of that. It's like when Hitler asked how many divisions the Pope had. In reality there is a 0% chance that teh Senate will convict Trump. Period.
If we had such a division in this country between legislative and executive branches that they removed the president because of personal distaste for him or his policies, we would want a new election anyway.
Posted by: imp at December 11, 2019 04:42 PM (SFOr6)
It was Stalin who asked how many divisions the Pope has.
Posted by: Someguy at December 11, 2019 04:44 PM (7nTlT)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 11, 2019 04:45 PM (aJkzG)
Posted by: Don Q
Because! Super sekret reasons!
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2019 04:41 PM (BN/jk)
Because I was AG, and that's what I commanded!
Posted by: Snoreregard, Duke of Incompetencia at December 11, 2019 04:45 PM (U7k5w)
Maybe Lashawn Jones wasn't so crazy after all.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:45 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Someguy at December 11, 2019 04:44 PM (7nTlT)
Forget it. He's on a roll.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 11, 2019 04:45 PM (1CjJc)
Inquiring minds want to know from Horowitz supporters. I mean they have always said he can make criminal referrals. Well here's a crime that Horowitz actually uncovered, is he just too stupid to recognize it?
Posted by: MAGA at December 11, 2019 04:45 PM (bloh/)
b/r, I
Posted by: Iris
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Wonderful! Glad you enjoyed it.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 11, 2019 04:46 PM (Y4EXg)
Posted by: andycanuck at December 11, 2019 04:46 PM (Dh1wo)
It started with Hoover. It was born corrupt.
I used to get sick at the thought of them working with hollywood on so many movies to sell their honesty and virtue. This attitude goes back to the inception.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at December 11, 2019 04:47 PM (LWu6U)
the evidence collection phase end at some point and the prosecution phase begin.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Strong with the Force Schwartz at December 11, 2019 04:32 PM (q80AH)
++++++++++++
They'd better be renting a whole FLEET of buses to pick these fuckers up when the hammer comes down. Something of that scale is the only thing can justify this level of delay.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2019 04:47 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: Caliban at December 11, 2019 04:47 PM (QE8X6)
If we had such a division in this country between legislative and executive branches that they removed the president because of personal distaste for him or his policies, we would want a new election anyway.
Posted by: imp at December 11, 2019 04:42 PM (SFOr6)
Sorry, but you are talking about an Imperial Supreme Court that has overruled both the President and the Congress, on numerous occasions.
Take a look at Gay Marriage.
Fact is that there WAS a Supreme Court case on this, that resulted in a horrible decision.
That the House seems to be able to ignore the Constitution, does not mean that everyone will.
Posted by: Don Q at December 11, 2019 04:47 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Tami at December 11, 2019 04:47 PM (cF8AT)
But along those lines, I wonder if any of the independent mostly amateur analysts [or outfits like Judicial Watch] have kept close track of the actual cooperation vs. stonewalling in terms of congressional oversight. It seems like there's been a lot [just one from memory, I think Grassley is still waiting for a reply to a letter on a key question].
Another random related thing. It certainly appears the "predicate" for the CI "investigation" was, at best, laughable. If it was indeed sufficient to pass muster, as the IG said, then the FBI has a serious problem of chasing frivolous crap. Of course Durham clearly disagrees about the predicate, but I'm guessing that'll be due to outright fraud and chicanery, not failing to meet guideline norms.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 11, 2019 04:47 PM (El6T/)
Posted by: chique d'Epstein didn't off hisself at December 11, 2019 04:43 PM (9hauA)
HAs anyone ever seen these rules? Who wrote them and when?
Posted by: Epstein wasn't the only cock on the walk. Why no indictments? at December 11, 2019 04:47 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:47 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: t-bird at December 11, 2019 04:48 PM (J3qJd)
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 11, 2019 04:48 PM (JRaU+)
Posted by: Braenyard at December 11, 2019 04:48 PM (5TmO/)
scope and rules of his investigation. It does not appear that he thinks
everything was honky dory. Quite the opposite.
Posted by: chique d'Epstein didn't off hisself
I'm sure he tells himself he's being neutral and aboveboard, and that's his job, but at some point, and we are there, the evidence is so overwhelming that not to draw the obvious inferences becomes aiding and abetting. I don't think Horowitz is necessarily trying to protect people, but that's certainly how it comes across, and in a situation like this, that's deadly.
Posted by: pep at December 11, 2019 04:49 PM (T6t7i)
I wouldn't do that .
So we think they also wouldn't seeing the type of work they chose
We expect that of drug dealers , used car salesmen ,and politicians..
Posted by: willow at December 11, 2019 04:49 PM (KGxGi)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 11, 2019 04:50 PM (YslsA)
Posted by: Tami at
Damn, Dershowitz a nazi, whoda thunk it?
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at December 11, 2019 04:50 PM (LOq4H)
Welcome.
The hot food is over there, and the ammo is along the back wall.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 11, 2019 04:02 PM (sy5kK)
Ya got any spare mags? I only got 10 on me.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at December 11, 2019 04:50 PM (bgJ0E)
And I was arguing against it. MANY on here kept telling me I was wrong, and that there were PLENTY of protections built into the Act.
ooopppsie.
Posted by: Don Q at December 11, 2019 04:50 PM (NgKpN)
I look over, and she has her video feed on, with me walking around in my underwear.
Come on, woman. I ain't giving it away for free.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner
...
Yeah.
I joined a web conference.
During the conference, I had some...difficulty breathing through my nose. One that required some level of effort and digital maintenance to overcome.
Later, an architect on the call sent me a skype message that pssst my camera is on.
Posted by: TexasDan at December 11, 2019 04:50 PM (yL25O)
Posted by: Blanco Basura -It's OK, I'm with the banned at December 11, 2019 04:50 PM (kLZmg)
Posted by: t-bird at December 11, 2019 04:48 PM (J3qJd)
+++++++++++++
Less than zero. Impossible. And it wouldn't take some genius, either.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2019 04:50 PM (I2dne)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:47 PM (KZzsI)
Maybe I missed something about Freud, did he have anything going on besides his penis and incest theories?
Posted by: Someguy at December 11, 2019 04:50 PM (7nTlT)
Posted by: ArtGriego at December 11, 2019 04:50 PM (laeHR)
@JackPosobiec
IG Horowitz: The activities we found here don't vindicate anybody who touched this.
https://tinyurl.com/sf99nw2
Posted by: Tami at December 11, 2019 04:50 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: x at December 11, 2019 04:51 PM (nFwvY)
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at December 11, 2019 04:51 PM (LOq4H)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:47 PM (KZzsI)
When you're right, you're right, boychik, but people are still reading our books and wearing our slips.
Posted by: Sockmund Freud at December 11, 2019 04:51 PM (U7k5w)
There's a kind of bias that is subtle and quieter than most, in which you make choices between two possibilities, always in one direction until the cumultive effect is overwhelming. Each step is mild enough: which adjective do I use, how do I portray this, which conclusion should I reach? But its still bias.
Refusing to specifically and clearly note wrongdoing and bias when its obviously there isn't some kind of job restriction, its a choice.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:51 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: willow at December 11, 2019 04:51 PM (KGxGi)
breathing through my nose. One that required some level of effort and
digital maintenance to overcome.
Later, an architect on the call sent me a skype message that pssst my camera is on.
Posted by: TexasDan at December 11, 2019 04:50 PM (yL25O)
lol Careful. Ace will put you in the sidebar of shame.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 11, 2019 04:51 PM (1CjJc)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 11, 2019 04:51 PM (gd9RK)
Also include Dr Benjamin Spock, and Dr. Ancel Keys
Posted by: VMom's phone (aka VM's phone) at December 11, 2019 04:51 PM (EGSGm)
Is this something symbolic, or a reclassification? I don't see what an EO has to accomplish about anti-semitism.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 11, 2019 04:52 PM (hbTkw)
Posted by: garrett at December 11, 2019 04:52 PM (5ZySw)
Posted by: pep at December 11, 2019 04:49 PM (T6t7i)
+++++++++++++
Yes.
Horowitz was very constrained because he's an Internal Affairs guy and can only go so far. I dig it. Going as far as he could, he found a lot of bad shit. I dig that, too.
But he then concludes in his summary - the part written essentially for the press to go spin - that there was a process control problem at the FBI and recommended training and better directorial oversight.
I don't dig that. Not even a little bit.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 11, 2019 04:52 PM (I2dne)
Well the whole "babies are sexually attracted to alternate parents at various ages" thing and nearly constant fixation on sex being behind everything is very revealing about the man's mindset.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:52 PM (KZzsI)
-
Paul Ryan?
These are the Smart People. Just ask them.
Posted by: Moron Robbie is a bridge at December 11, 2019 04:52 PM (0GvUH)
No chance anyone should be ok if these people skate.
This shit makes Watergate look like toddlers.
In all seriousness, THIS is what everybody likes to pretend Watergate was. It wasn't. But THIS absolutely is it.
Posted by: deadrody at December 11, 2019 04:52 PM (V9901)
I joined a web conference.
During the conference, I had some...difficulty breathing through my nose. One that required some level of effort and digital maintenance to overcome.
Later, an architect on the call sent me a skype message that pssst my camera is on.
Posted by: TexasDan at December 11, 2019 04:50 PM (yL25O)
Not only is my video feed off, I also have paper over the laptop camera lens. I work from home. No way I'm going to risk clients and colleagues seeing what a hot mess I look like everyday.
Posted by: chique d'Epstein didn't off hisself at December 11, 2019 04:52 PM (9hauA)
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado) at December 11, 2019 04:53 PM (7zQnd)
Well the whole "babies are sexually attracted to alternate parents at various ages" thing and nearly constant fixation on sex being behind everything is very revealing about the man's mindset.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:52 PM (KZzsI)
I was more wondering what influence he had that was so impactful. He is famous for his sex focused psychology.
Posted by: Someguy at December 11, 2019 04:54 PM (7nTlT)
Posted by: John Abu-Brennan at December 11, 2019 04:54 PM (NVYyb)
Posted by: chique d'Epstein didn't off hisself at December 11, 2019 04:52 PM (9hauA)
We'll be the judge of that.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 11, 2019 04:54 PM (1CjJc)
Hope get trump was worth the black eyes they've given themselves
Add CIA also..and how will they also survive when interfering Stateside in our elections!?
Posted by: willow at December 11, 2019 04:54 PM (KGxGi)
I just made laughing noises out loud. Nice nic!
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 11, 2019 04:51 PM (gd9RK)
Thank you, sir.
Posted by: chique d'Epstein didn't off hisself at December 11, 2019 04:54 PM (9hauA)
https://tinyurl.com/qv7gnye
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 11, 2019 04:55 PM (AFSld)
Posted by: Someguy at December 11, 2019 04:50 PM (7nTlT)
cocaine
Posted by: Braenyard at December 11, 2019 04:55 PM (5TmO/)
Your NOSE? Clearly no one ever instructed you on profitable use of webcams.
Posted by: JEM at December 11, 2019 04:55 PM (8erNz)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 11, 2019 04:55 PM (xSo9G)
Fenelon likes em Jung?
Posted by: garrett at December 11, 2019 04:52 PM (5ZySw)
===========
Zod would approve
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 11, 2019 04:55 PM (NVYyb)
Yeah seriously, this was Nixonian. Obama was Nixon with a heavy tan, and protection from the press rather than enemies trying to uncover it all. What Nixon wanted to do, he did. Nixon just wanted to use the DOJ against the press. Obama actually did. Nixon wanted to use the FBI against political opponents. Obama really did.
They're everything they claim to fight against, they are the bad guys in all those TV shows their allies write. THEY are the establishment abusing power against their enemies to shut them up and terrify everyone into submission.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:55 PM (KZzsI)
That makes sense doesn't it? Right?
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 11, 2019 04:56 PM (DI/ar)
Posted by: Someguy at December 11, 2019 04:50 PM (7nTlT)
cocaine
Posted by: Braenyard
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Cigars. He loved cigars...in a platonic way.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 11, 2019 04:57 PM (CDGwz)
You're wondering what impact the father of psychology and the man behind the therapy industry had on modern culture? His entire system gave people a method of dealing with guilt, sin, and redemption that didn't even require a savior or the truth. Just feelings and $750 an hour talking to someone who themselves is in therapy constantly.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:57 PM (KZzsI)
https://tinyurl.com/qv7gnye
Much as I like Dan's shows, his aggregator is not the best of the bunch, and there's a bunch of others to pick from:
https://westernfreepress.com/dumping-drudge-top-10-conservative-news-aggregators-reviewed/
Posted by: JEM at December 11, 2019 04:57 PM (8erNz)
The Senate has confirmed Lawrence VanDyke to the 9th Circuit in a 51-44 vote. VanDyke is the 50th circuit court judge confirmed under President Trump.
Posted by: Tami at December 11, 2019 04:57 PM (cF8AT)
Just saw the story. Awful.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 11, 2019 04:58 PM (AFSld)
Posted by: Someguy at December 11, 2019 04:54 PM (7nTlT)
Says the site that focuses on zee bewbies. Kneel to sex focused psychology.
Posted by: Sockmund Freud at December 11, 2019 04:58 PM (U7k5w)
Looks like the Blue Alert is a BOLO for a suspect in an officer's death.
In this case a rich and culturally vibrant person ran down and killed a
female officer last night in Harris County.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado) at December 11, 2019 04:53 PM (7zQnd)
Man, the backlash from that is HERE too?
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 11, 2019 04:58 PM (DI/ar)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:47 PM (KZzsI)
I pin a lot of it on people like Rousseau, with that Noble Savage malarkey. It convinced a lot of people that there was something wrong with Judeo-Christian civilization, for failing to live up to an unfounded ideal that never existed.
It planted a seed of what I'll call anticivilizationalism, which came into full flower with Marxism and every strain of Subjectivist thinking in the modern Left.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at December 11, 2019 04:58 PM (J+mig)
The country, every one of us, could have avoided this travesty and assault on our republic is these fat bloviating lying dishonest dunces actually articulated the truth instead of their delusions. Fuck them to hell.
Posted by: Heacock Gypsy at December 11, 2019 04:58 PM (MLLK4)
https://disrn.com/
They have a nice roundup of stuff. And of course JJ's work every morning if you want a straight shot of depression.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:58 PM (KZzsI)
https://westernfreepress.com/dumping-drudge-top-10-conservative-news-aggregators-reviewed/
Thanks, I'll check them out.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 11, 2019 04:58 PM (AFSld)
Posted by: TexasDan at December 11, 2019 04:50 PM (yL25O)
lol Careful. Ace will put you in the sidebar of shame.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 11, 2019 04:51 PM (1CjJc)
...
We all make ourselves useful to the blog, as our talents permit.
Posted by: TexasDan at December 11, 2019 04:59 PM (yL25O)
https://westernfreepress.com/dumping-drudge-top-10-conservative-news-aggregators-reviewed/
Posted by: JEM at December 11, 2019 04:57 PM (8erNz)
Our own JJ's morning report is hard to beat.
Posted by: chique d'Epstein didn't off hisself at December 11, 2019 04:59 PM (9hauA)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 11, 2019 04:59 PM (AFSld)
Yeah I know a lot of people here like modernism and the enlightenment but... it was deeply flawed and sowed the seeds of what we now, er, enjoy.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:59 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 11, 2019 04:57 PM (CDGwz)
I anticipated Herr Clinton.
Posted by: Sockmund Freud at December 11, 2019 04:59 PM (U7k5w)
I look over, and she has her video feed on, with me walking around in my underwear.
Come on, woman. I ain't giving it away for free.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 11, 2019 04:36 PM (1CjJc)
You've made the sidebar. Congrats!
Posted by: Tami at December 11, 2019 05:00 PM (cF8AT)
The Senate has confirmed Lawrence VanDyke to the 9th Circuit in a 51-44 vote. VanDyke is the 50th circuit court judge confirmed under President Trump.
Watch out for that ottoman!
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 11, 2019 05:00 PM (hbTkw)
Posted by: Heacock Gypsy at December 11, 2019 05:00 PM (MLLK4)
Posted by: Ace of Spades at 03:42 PM"
Proud to say I haven't given these God-cursed (unsuccessful) chimptato hybrids a click since the "Against Trump" issue.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at December 11, 2019 05:00 PM (JwHjN)
You're wondering what impact the father of psychology and the man behind the therapy industry had on modern culture? His entire system gave people a method of dealing with guilt, sin, and redemption that didn't even require a savior or the truth. Just feelings and $750 an hour talking to someone who themselves is in therapy constantly.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:57 PM (KZzsI)
Well as far as father of psychology goes the field has gone through a series of quacks who have reinvented it each generation(and consequently aren't based in his theories). The phrenologists and other quacks predate him on that front. Saying he invented therapy seems fair.
Posted by: Someguy at December 11, 2019 05:01 PM (7nTlT)
What a useless fuckwad. Even Pierre Omidyar would agree.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 11, 2019 05:01 PM (NVYyb)
I still hold a grudge against everyone who was on that cover, even those who came around afterward,
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 11, 2019 05:01 PM (AFSld)
The Senate has confirmed Lawrence VanDyke to the 9th Circuit in a 51-44 vote. VanDyke is the 50th circuit court judge confirmed under President Trump.
Posted by: redridinghood at December 11, 2019 05:01 PM (wiXsO)
Also yes.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 11, 2019 04:59 PM (AFSld)
I'd rather read Sefton than Drudge or Lucianne
Posted by: CN at December 11, 2019 05:01 PM (U7k5w)
He must have the rest of the lineup done for the day and is just scheduling them. I predict a new post at the top of the hour.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at December 11, 2019 05:02 PM (LWu6U)
https://westernfreepress.com/dumping-drudge-top-10-conservative-news-aggregators-reviewed/
Posted by: JEM at December 11, 2019 04:57 PM (8erNz)
Thanks. LibertyDaily and Whatfinger are covered with adverts on my ipad I quit trying. FreeRepublic's not bad for a quickie.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 11, 2019 05:02 PM (5TmO/)
The HQ. Come for news, bewbs, and fart jokes, get 18th/19th century philosophy debates.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 11, 2019 05:02 PM (gd9RK)
Posted by: CN at December 11, 2019 05:01 PM (U7k5w)
I'd choose JJ over anyone, except Ace.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at December 11, 2019 05:02 PM (ayFCE)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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I follow the shot of Depression with a chaser of bile.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 11, 2019 05:02 PM (CDGwz)
This.
Nixon's actions were out of insecurity, and the insecurity he radiated to those around him; the Watergate break-in was an historic own-goal perhaps not quite on the scale of Operation Barbarossa but still hugely damaging to its instigators, you've got a guy who was going to win by a landslide, did win by a landslide, and his minions are still bugging the opposition?
The actions of Obama and his minions were those of hubris, an unwarranted certainty of the rectitude of their cause or at least the inability of their adversaries to stop them.
Posted by: JEM at December 11, 2019 05:02 PM (8erNz)
No matter what the president does in his term(s), this will be his biggest accomplishment.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 11, 2019 05:02 PM (AFSld)
Posted by: chique d'Epstein
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Depending on the paper, it still allows light to shine through it. Black electrician's tape to be sure.
Nice nic btw!
Posted by: Tonypete at December 11, 2019 05:02 PM (Y4EXg)
What a useless fuckwad. Even Pierre Omidyar would agree.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 11, 2019 05:01 PM (NVYyb)
***********
He doesn't realize what a laughingstock he's become.
Posted by: redridinghood at December 11, 2019 05:03 PM (wiXsO)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 05:03 PM (KZzsI)
You need a better ad blocker. I'm liking newsammo. But no one puts the heart into it like JJ.
Posted by: JEM at December 11, 2019 05:03 PM (8erNz)
Looks like the Blue Alert is a BOLO for a suspect in an officer's death.
In this case a rich and culturally vibrant person ran down and killed a
female officer last night in Harris County.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado) at December 11, 2019 04:53 PM (7zQnd)
Wait till they post the picture of little LaTraydejohn Henderson when he was 10, then we'll be sorry
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 11, 2019 05:03 PM (O8SrN)
Congratulations to my longtime friend, Lawrence VanDyke, on his confirmation to the Ninth Circuit today. VanDyke is
@RealDonaldTrump 's 50th circuit judge (and his tenth appointee to the Ninth Circuit). (1/3)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 11, 2019 05:03 PM (GPz65)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 11, 2019 05:04 PM (AFSld)
Posted by: Laughing in Texas
Heh...I'll have to hit him up for a contribution. This service is a courtesy and it don't come free.
Posted by: Official AosHq closed captioning brought to you by AoP Transmission Specialists at December 11, 2019 05:04 PM (8JNKm)
Posted by: LASue at December 11, 2019 05:04 PM (s+qMR)
Yeah they have been trotting out that particularly mangled and abused chicken recently. Its... truly odd.
The president of the United States met with another nation's foreign minister CAN YOU BELIEVE IT???
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 05:04 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 04:47 PM (KZzsI)
Maybe I missed something about Freud, did he have anything going on besides his penis and incest theories?
Posted by: Someguy at December 11, 2019 04:50 PM (7nTlT)
Will to Death. Freud wasn't exactly a sunny optimist.
Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at December 11, 2019 05:04 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Someguy at December 11, 2019 05:01 PM (7nTlT)
And plenty of other likes to focus on the sexual components in their therapy. Albert Ellis, for example.
Posted by: CN at December 11, 2019 05:04 PM (U7k5w)
What a useless fuckwad. Even Pierre Omidyar would agree.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 11, 2019 05:01 PM (NVYyb)
***********
He doesn't realize what a laughingstock he's become.
Posted by: redridinghood at December 11, 2019 05:03 PM (wiXsO)
Twitter 'likes' is about all he has left...sad little man.
Posted by: Tami at December 11, 2019 05:04 PM (cF8AT)
Posted by: Heacock Gypsy at December 11, 2019 05:04 PM (MLLK4)
Posted by: Skip at December 11, 2019 05:05 PM (ZCEU2)
Your NOSE? Clearly no one ever instructed you on profitable use of webcams.
Posted by: JEM at December 11, 2019 04:55 PM (8erNz)
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At the advanced age of 29?
Posted by: TexasDan at December 11, 2019 05:05 PM (yL25O)
Excellent!
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 11, 2019 05:05 PM (AFSld)
Posted by: Heacock Gypsy at December 11, 2019 05:04 PM (MLLK4)
I thought fondue was a 70s things. Is it making a revival
Posted by: CN at December 11, 2019 05:05 PM (U7k5w)
Lots of people drive cars around but that doesn't make the effect of Henry Ford and The Benz brothers any less important and foundational.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 05:06 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 11, 2019 05:06 PM (hbTkw)
Posted by: TexasDan
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Similarly, I did that once with my mic unmuted. About a hundred on the con call.
"Jeebus, who was the f**king genius that dreamt up this steaming pile of shit!!?
"WHO WAS THAT!!???"
Crickets.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 11, 2019 05:06 PM (Y4EXg)
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 11, 2019 05:06 PM (MLLK4)
That was a Mad Men show. That was a brilliant series.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 11, 2019 05:07 PM (gd9RK)
Posted by: willow at December 11, 2019 05:07 PM (KGxGi)
I can't understand why fondue went out of fashion, its really tasty and a great party idea.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 05:07 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at December 11, 2019 05:07 PM (ExV1e)
Posted by: redridinghood at December 11, 2019 05:07 PM (wiXsO)
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at December 11, 2019 05:07 PM (ayFCE)
You need a better ad blocker. I'm liking newsammo. But no one puts the heart into it like JJ.
Posted by: JEM
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This.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 11, 2019 05:08 PM (CDGwz)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 11, 2019 05:06 PM (KZzsI)
I'm just saying everything old is new again, or repackaged.
Posted by: CN at December 11, 2019 05:08 PM (U7k5w)
Posted by: willow at December 11, 2019 05:08 PM (KGxGi)
Posted by: chique d'Epstein
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Yeah, we are required to use them at work to promote something something. I get it. Just normally when you're on a conference call, you see your own video feed pop up so you know.
This time the organizer didn't actually share the screen somehow.
Posted by: TexasDan at December 11, 2019 05:09 PM (yL25O)
Agent lying to FBI: Lack of Candor and cushy pension when they have to retire early.
Horowitz report. Agents made 17 major errors, Agents still working.
If citizen did it: 17 major felonies with Jail time
Posted by: WisRich at December 11, 2019 05:09 PM (G0vdT)
Posted by: JEM at December 11, 2019 04:55 PM (8erNz)
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At the advanced age of 29?
If I were of such a mind to risk my reputation (or what little remains of it) I might contemplate a freakonomics-ish graduate thesis on the relationship between national economies and the number of those nations' participants on sites like chaturbate.com.
There's a fair chunk of the Venezuelan economy still afloat because its twenty-year-old girls are spreading their legs for the hard-currency market.
Posted by: JEM at December 11, 2019 05:09 PM (8erNz)
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Posted by: Official AosHq closed captioning brought to you by AoP Transmission Specialists at December 11, 2019 05:10 PM (8JNKm)
Hey Mike, try this: the pattern of behavior was inexplicable, *unless* it was conscious and deliberate.
Enough with humiliating yourself, the country, and DOJ with your bizarre insistence that a pattern of enormous histrionic focused misconduct could not be explained by deliberate work towards an objective. You *DID* find evidence of intentional misconduct - the pattern of behavior has no other plausible explanation. Obviously. Jeebus, dude, the country is generally dumbed down beyond recognition, but you're beclowning yourself here.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 11, 2019 05:11 PM (El6T/)
Posted by: Braenyard at December 11, 2019 05:12 PM (5TmO/)
Posted by: Skip at December 11, 2019 05:12 PM (ZCEU2)
And recent versions of Android don't allow customers to disable those worthless alerts.
Almost all "Amber Alerts" are illegal aliens kidnapping their own children from the estranged parent - often the people involved are several hundred miles away - like I'm going to see the car or the person wander past my window any time soon.
When that crap starts sounding off at 0300 on a workday, I promise you that the first thought that comes to mind is not "Gee, I should get dressed, grab a flashlight and start conducting a search"
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 11, 2019 05:13 PM (lD3vL)
Posted by: chique d'Epstein didn't off hisself at December 11, 2019 04:43 PM (9hauA)
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Now his hands were tied.
Snort.
Posted by: MAGA at December 11, 2019 05:13 PM (zPzew)
Of course if a non-government employee were to get hit by someone, they won't even bother to send out anyone to open an investigation, rather they will direct you to their website to file a report.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 11, 2019 05:14 PM (lD3vL)
Posted by: Braenyard at December 11, 2019 05:15 PM (5TmO/)
BTW where the hell do you live that you're in just you skivies in mid December?! Lucky bastage.
Posted by: Cheribebe at December 11, 2019 05:16 PM (a4qVe)
Posted by: Cheribebe at December 11, 2019 05:18 PM (a4qVe)
This guy is such a joke and weasel.
Posted by: Forheremenaremen at December 11, 2019 05:50 PM (HB5Gm)
Please tell me that Trump will nail this guy. Can we at least nail the horrible bright-line violations?
Posted by: mr_jack at December 11, 2019 05:50 PM (5qySz)
Apparently not if the "court" is controlled by Democraps.
Those critters disgust me.
Posted by: I'm Tucker Carlson and I will destroy you at December 11, 2019 06:13 PM (iiT9X)
Well, then, neither does pitching people out of helicopters. Turnabout, and all.
Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at December 11, 2019 10:13 PM (67XdO)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 12, 2019 09:26 AM (0O7c5)
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