WaPo: Horowitz Report Will Say... That FBI Acted Properly In Opening Criminal Investigation Into Trump

And Barr disputes this finding.

Attorney General William P. Barr has told associates he disagrees with the Justice Department's inspector general on one of the key findings in an upcoming report -- that the FBI had enough information in July 2016 to justify launching an investigation into members of the Trump campaign, according to people familiar with the matter.

...

The discord could be the prelude to a major fissure within federal law enforcement on the controversial question of investigating a presidential campaign.

Barr has not been swayed by Horowitz's rationale for concluding that the FBI had sufficient basis to open an investigation on July 31, 2016, these people said.

Womp womp, I guess.

Is the WaPo story right, or is it further fake news of the kind we've seen all too much of?

I think it's probably right. Horowitz is an Obama stooge and you're all familiar with his previous work, which is retroactively whitewashing and blessing the DOJ's decisions with Hillary's emails.

The DOJ spokesman issued a statement saying that Horowitz "is a credit to the Department of Justice. His excellent work has uncovered significant information that the American people will soon be able to read for themselves. Rather than speculating, people should read the report for themselves next week, watch the Inspector General's testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, and draw their own conclusions about these important matters."

Some people take that to mean that Barr is directing spokesman to low-key deny the story, but I think that is reading too much into it. It's probably just an empty statement intended to tamp down controversy while people figure out what they're going to say and do when the whitewash is released on December 9th.

For what it's worth, Lindsey Graham advises to ignore all pre-release spin.

And he knows a thing or two about pre-release.

"Be wary of The Washington Post and New York Times reporting on what's coming up with Horowitz. They've been trying overtime to spin this thing, to diminish its effect, to downplay it," the Republican South Carolina senator said in an interview with Sean Hannity on Fox News.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 02:29 PM




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1 Pravda and Tass tell the truth more than the WaPo or the NY Slimes

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 03, 2019 02:29 PM (luwYQ)

2 There otter be a law!

Posted by: andycanuck at December 03, 2019 02:29 PM (Dh1wo)

3 We really will know imminently. No need to waste breath speculating.

Posted by: pep at December 03, 2019 02:29 PM (T6t7i)

4
So, I guess the same folks who went nuts on the Morning Thread with my take will do the same here.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2019 02:30 PM (zBaqJ)

5 Of course it was all a setup. The GOP played right along.
Say what you want about Soros, our side could use an evil genius, or a fair to middling manipulator, hell even someone who knows how to strategize.

Posted by: Permaculture Pete at December 03, 2019 02:30 PM (Fxgkp)

6 Called then others, and staying the heck out of this one.

Posted by: DocJ at December 03, 2019 02:30 PM (DU2N9)

7 There is no news in the NYT and no truth in the WaPo, comrades!

Posted by: andycanuck at December 03, 2019 02:30 PM (Dh1wo)

8 Fresh

Posted by: FrodoB,
hobbits don't wear socks at December 03, 2019 02:30 PM (BQAo9)

9 May all those who believe the WaPo and NY Slimes get surprise otter... *deletes*

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 03, 2019 02:31 PM (luwYQ)

10 To really understand the report you have to have not read it yet. Yossarian told me.

Posted by: Burger Chef at December 03, 2019 02:31 PM (RuIsu)

11 I think it is about time we moved the Capitol to South Dakota.

Posted by: garrett at December 03, 2019 02:31 PM (tQURu)

12 We otter run around and light our hair on fire!

Posted by: Archer at December 03, 2019 02:31 PM (gmo/4)

13 Barr, Barr, Barr, Barr --

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at December 03, 2019 02:31 PM (Ejm1K)

14 Some people just need to go suntan their arse hole.

Posted by: torabora at December 03, 2019 02:31 PM (8PNok)

15 There's a lot of otter defamation going on here.

Posted by: FrodoB,
hobbits don't wear socks at December 03, 2019 02:32 PM (BQAo9)

16 11 I think it is about time we moved the Capitol to South Dakota.
Posted by: garrett at December 03, 2019 02:31 PM (tQURu)

Good. Caps fans are the worst.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 03, 2019 02:32 PM (KUaJL)

17 It's gonna be otter mayhem I tell ya!

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 03, 2019 02:32 PM (luwYQ)

18 "And he knows a thing or two about pre-release," Ace ejaculated!

Posted by: andycanuck at December 03, 2019 02:32 PM (Dh1wo)

19 Eh. Just another reason to be a pessimist.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 03, 2019 02:32 PM (RD7QR)

20 Sources Say and thus it's all lies.

ace, please don't ban me for what I'm about to type next. It's really not YoU sHoUlDn'T pOsT sTuFf it's just this is a way for me to pontificate.

As we all know, I am on a windmill tilting quest against Sources Say. One of the only practical ways I can think to fight against that is to ignore the Source Says outrage. Ignore it. Don't link it. Maybe mention it in passing in posts but just. Ignore it.

Here's the bigly problem with that. The Sources Say stories are, generally, the biggest stories of the day and thus ignoring them allows the Sources Say spin to gain traction. So, you know, my idea is even stupider than usual.

I just have no other idea of what, practically, can be done to stop Sources Say.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 03, 2019 02:33 PM (mf5HN)

21 Graham, on balance, is a real asset. Once Crash took his dirt nap, he stepped up.

Posted by: john knox at December 03, 2019 02:33 PM (bCLt0)

22 #twoweeks

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 03, 2019 02:33 PM (flINI)

23 How come we never get to no-knock raid anyone?

Posted by: jhawk90 at December 03, 2019 02:33 PM (Xvo1a)

24 I hate to say I told yo so, but being the "WHERE ARE THE INDICTMENTS" guy, I feel vindicated. Horowitz' main job was always to preemptively discredit Barr/Durham. If we had struck first, things might have been different- but alas.

Posted by: Permaculture Pete at December 03, 2019 02:33 PM (Fxgkp)

25
Pravda and Tass tell the truth more than the WaPo or the NY Slimes
Posted by: Anna Puma

======

True, but the Politburo never changes and never wavers.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 03, 2019 02:33 PM (M9ntN)

26 The buck will stop with Barr on this one.


If it's not a Whitewash, then does he get the ball rolling on criminal charges? If it is a Whitewash, then does he get the ball rolling on criminal charges?


Spuck feculation.

Posted by: McLurkerson at December 03, 2019 02:33 PM (UXHfL)

27 I go the other way, I take whatever line the WaPo is pushing on this with a large grain of salt. Considering how they have acted towards Trump, they would spin every rumor that comes out about that report in the way that most favors supporting all of their narratives - from Russia through Stormy Daniels to Ukraine to whatever fever-dream Jerry Nadler had last night after sacking the golden Corral.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for All Your Festival of Gloom Decorations! at December 03, 2019 02:33 PM (hLRSq)

28 Clearly the FBI had enough to open an investigation on Trump - they opened an investigation on Trump. So, by definition, they had enough.

Posted by: blaster at December 03, 2019 02:33 PM (9VeU0)

29
I think it is about time we moved the Capitol to South Dakota.

Posted by: garrett at December 03, 2019 02:31 PM (tQURu)

We don't want it. And remember, we're the State that knows stuff. Like Meth, We're On IT!

Posted by: South Dakota at December 03, 2019 02:34 PM (gmo/4)

30 I just have no other idea of what, practically, can be done to stop Sources Say.

Modest proposal - feed the reporters running such stories into a wood chipper.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 03, 2019 02:34 PM (luwYQ)

31 Not to worry America, we found the culprit.

It was a lackadaisical special agent from the Portland Maine office who accidentally transposed a 2 & 7 which set this whole thing in motion. Could have happened to anybody. We have given him 2 weeks off with pay as punishment. In addition, he will be transferred out of the Portland office to Boston.

We have put additional safeguards into the system to make sure this won't happen again.

You're welcome America.

Now please let us get back to work going after those sinister 1980 sitcom stars.*

* To be clear, not the rapey stars. We mean those moms trying to get their children into the best daycares.

Posted by: Your FBI at December 03, 2019 02:34 PM (sX1BW)

32
The problem with Lindsay Graham is that he promised action by his Committee with regard to the coup - and he has done absolutely nothing. Nothing.

AFAIC, his word isn't worth any more than the MSM's. I don't believe anything any of them have to say.

Just from the past being prologue, I highly doubt that this report is going to make us very happy. We'll see soon, though.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2019 02:34 PM (AzW6q)

33 Everyone should read this article from CTH from this morning.... shows exactly why this WaPost article is utter bullshit designed to fool people...
https://tinyurl.com/w7fc848

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at December 03, 2019 02:34 PM (jjaLl)

34 How come we never get to no-knock raid anyone?

Hell we don't even get a single 3:30 pm Friday indictment.

Posted by: Permaculture Pete at December 03, 2019 02:34 PM (Fxgkp)

35 So, as long as you are a democrat, you can use the full force of the government to spy on political candidates?

Sorry Nixon!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 03, 2019 02:34 PM (ycWCI)

36 Willowed. AtC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lck4Rdm0h_g

Posted by: The Sea People at December 03, 2019 02:34 PM (XzVUd)

37 & the Spokeswoman for the DOJ slapped down that "Report" last night! & today PDT & AG B arr did

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 03, 2019 02:35 PM (BqBId)

38 In the old days we would just round up few and take them to the U-boat and in a couple hours we would have the entire story from Z to A.

And a few apartments we could Dole out to new associates.

Posted by: Frau Merkel n at December 03, 2019 02:35 PM (8PNok)

39 4
So, I guess the same folks who went nuts on the Morning Thread with my take will do the same here.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2019 02:30 PM (zBaqJ)


*cracks metaphorical knuckles*

Oh you know it'll be on like Donkey Kong!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for All Your Festival of Gloom Decorations! at December 03, 2019 02:35 PM (hLRSq)

40 Best to always suspect the Media of lies and obfuscation.

Posted by: john knox at December 03, 2019 02:35 PM (bCLt0)

41 Isn't Horowitz also known for defending Lon Horiuchi ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at December 03, 2019 02:35 PM (JwHjN)

42 If you have to chose between the opinions of Horowitz or Barr about who matters most?

It's Barr.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at December 03, 2019 02:35 PM (q80AH)

43 It's shit weasels everywhere.

Posted by: JAS at December 03, 2019 02:35 PM (DBGf/)

44 I've been saying along, this report will be such a whitewash Tom Sawyer will trick his friends into paying to read it.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at December 03, 2019 02:35 PM (O7MnT)

45 And he knows a thing or two about pre-release.

Sounds to me like ace is holding out on us.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 03, 2019 02:35 PM (Z4rgH)

46 The fact that they didn't have sufficient evidence to spy is kind of borne out by the fact that THERE WAS NO COLLUSION and Mueller even grudgingly admitted it.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 03, 2019 02:35 PM (U7qMl)

47 McCabe's Porsche on a flatbed is my marker.

Posted by: blaster at December 03, 2019 02:36 PM (9VeU0)

48 A whitewash would be very bad. One group of people in this country still believes in something approaching the ideal of "rule of law." That group is conservatives.

The perfidy in this is obvious to anyone who is not deliberately and willfully blind to it. If it truly is a wet fart - and for whatever it's worth, my money is on "wet fart" - it could change that. If no one in power is willing to give "rule of law" even vague, empty, mealy-mouthed lip service, then why should anyone else bother?

It probably won't be vigilantism and rioting in the streets, at least not very soon. But it may well be casual contempt for the law and its enforcers and, critically, being unwilling to cooperate with lawmen.

I'm already there, but I'm a radical and I understand that. But this kind of thing may well push others into the same camp.

They're playing with matches and I fear that they could well end up burning the house down.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 03, 2019 02:36 PM (I2dne)

49 SD has missiles and stuff. Less than ND, but still...

Posted by: Burger Chef at December 03, 2019 02:36 PM (RuIsu)

50 I trust gov't as far as I can throw a runny shit...

Posted by: Builder Berg at December 03, 2019 02:36 PM (+Yu7u)

51 *sigh*

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at December 03, 2019 02:36 PM (nNEcr)

52 I think all we are getting right now is spin and damage control and I'm not buying any of it from anyone.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2019 02:36 PM (KZzsI)

53 Horowitz is nothing but a pimp.

A Deep State pimp.

*spit

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 03, 2019 02:36 PM (U7qMl)

54 Missiles?

What a strap-on for Pete Butt-plug

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 03, 2019 02:36 PM (luwYQ)

55 5>>>

That's Not Who We Are(TM).

Posted by: Allie at December 03, 2019 02:36 PM (wSLCK)

56 There are a lot of the coup who got to read the report in order to provide comments. Page asking for a Trump apology makes it seem that the Post may be right. Hope not. We will know soon enough. #LessThanTwoWeeks

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 03, 2019 02:36 PM (ZLlh9)

57 Ugh. This is gonna be a doom/hair on fire thread.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2019 02:36 PM (bDqIh)

58 Some people have actually seen and read the report.

The WaPo and NY Times aren't among them.

FWIW, you can still have a report that says "there was enough to open an investigation" and still draw conclusions that laws were broken to continue the investigation when it was clear there was no reason to.

You can also conclude that not informing the campaign of suspected foreign influence is a bad choice.

I'll wait for the report before setting my hair on fire. It was a foregone conclusion that this IG was going to try to frame the conclusions in the least unfavorable manner.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at December 03, 2019 02:37 PM (0xMqp)

59 I just have no other idea of what, practically, can be done to stop Sources Say.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 03, 2019 02:33 PM (mf5HN)


An MLRS strike on the WaPo building would be start.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for All Your Festival of Gloom Decorations! at December 03, 2019 02:37 PM (hLRSq)

60 WaPo/Devlin Barrett

lolgf.

Posted by: chris at December 03, 2019 02:37 PM (B2LxR)

61 They've had their ducks (judges) in a row for this, and impeachment for a LONG time. Our side has Lindsey promising to hold hearing sometime in the future, maybe.

Posted by: Permaculture Pete at December 03, 2019 02:37 PM (Fxgkp)

62 "Today, it has been learned that the FBI acted on information from the Clinton campaign, and then started spying on the Trump campaign. The FBI did not properly lay the groundwork for their actions, and, in fact, improperly suborned perjury."

---------------

"The FBI acted properly!"

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at December 03, 2019 02:37 PM (qC1Sy)

63 So let's start investigating Biden. Everyone named Biden. Everyone who ever spoke with a Biden, even if the discussion was leg hair.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at December 03, 2019 02:38 PM (+fPHo)

64 58 Some people have actually seen and read the report.

The WaPo and NY Times aren't among them.


But the people who have read it run straight to the Slimes and the WaHo's to leak.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 03, 2019 02:38 PM (U7qMl)

65 18 "And he knows a thing or two about pre-release," Ace ejaculated!
Posted by: andycanuck at December 03, 2019 02:32 PM (Dh1wo)

Well, yeah ... extending the honeymoon.

Posted by: Heirloominati at December 03, 2019 02:38 PM (+J//Q)

66 I just have no other idea of what, practically, can be done to stop Sources Say
--Require names to stories. Won't happen, but only way to fix it.

Posted by: FrodoB,
hobbits don't wear socks at December 03, 2019 02:38 PM (BQAo9)

67 37
the Spokeswoman for the DOJ slapped down that "Report" last night! today PDT AG B arr did

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 03, 2019 02:35 PM (BqBId)


Didn't Trump tweet that Barr saying he disagreed with this latest whitewash was a misquote? This is all so confusing. Almost by design.
I guess we just wave t wait six more months for the real, real, for real this time report. Because it takes a long time for the DOJ to act. Just ask Flynn, Manafort, Stone, etc.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 03, 2019 02:38 PM (CQ3Qb)

68 I've always though of ace as being asexual... like a spore

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 03, 2019 02:38 PM (flINI)

69 Everyone who ever spoke with a Biden

--------------

Let Cornpop rest in peace.

And leave the strippers alone - its Christmas time.

Posted by: Your FBI at December 03, 2019 02:39 PM (sX1BW)

70 As we all know, I am on a windmill tilting quest against Sources Say. One of the only practical ways I can think to fight against that is to ignore the Source Says outrage. Ignore it. Don't link it. Maybe mention it in passing in posts but just. Ignore it.

Here's the bigly problem with that. The Sources Say stories are, generally, the biggest stories of the day and thus ignoring them allows the Sources Say spin to gain traction. So, you know, my idea is even stupider than usual.

I just have no other idea of what, practically, can be done to stop Sources Say.
Posted by: alexthechick
........

Yeah.. but sometimes sources are correct.. Mot often, lately.. but sometimes.

I think Ace gives us enough of caveat on these types of stories..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 03, 2019 02:39 PM (so+oy)

71 Want to point out again that Lisa Page looks like Marisa Tomei's less attractive sister.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 03, 2019 02:39 PM (ZLlh9)

72 When was the last time the WaPo or the NYT contained a truthful word?

Posted by: Northernlurker, still lurking after all these years at December 03, 2019 02:39 PM (Uu+Jp)

73 -
--

I trust gov't as far as I can throw a runny shit...


Posted by: Builder Berg at December 03, 2019 02:36 PM

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Our kind of citizen.

Posted by: San Fran, LA, Denver, et al. at December 03, 2019 02:39 PM (pMGkg)

74
57 Ugh. This is gonna be a doom/hair on fire thread.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2019 02:36 PM (bDqIh)

And we were having so much fun. Otters and alex and manatees.

Posted by: john knox at December 03, 2019 02:39 PM (bCLt0)

75 So this report is a whitewash or a strongly worded document that will lead nowhere anyway?

Cuz the result is the same either way.

Posted by: MJ at December 03, 2019 02:39 PM (gAMkn)

76 And I'm with AtC on this. As soon as I read "Sources say", or "An anonymous source provided..." I move on.


It's like half of journalisming is about speculation and interpretation these days. Well, fvck, I can do that all on my own, without the super valuable input from their super valuable Communications degree.

Posted by: McLurkerson at December 03, 2019 02:39 PM (UXHfL)

77 We are exhausted but ready.

Posted by: Mobile Goal Posts at December 03, 2019 02:39 PM (6A9Kg)

78 D.C. Fontana dead aged 80.
https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/
dc-fontana-dies-star-trek

R.I.P.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 03, 2019 02:39 PM (Dh1wo)

79 It's gonna be otter mayhem I tell ya!
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 03, 2019 02:32 PM (luwYQ)


I had nothing to do with this shit.

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at December 03, 2019 02:40 PM (myjNJ)

80 68 I've always though of ace as being asexual... like a spore
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 03, 2019 02:38 PM (flINI)

Reproduction by budding.

Posted by: john knox at December 03, 2019 02:40 PM (bCLt0)

81 As soon as i hear "WaPo" i send a dog to take a counter leak on it.

Posted by: henry at December 03, 2019 02:40 PM (JMDly)

82 I've been wondering if this narrative hasn't been put out there to negate Barr. In other words, there are no sources, just a general guess that they can find enough in the long Horowitz report to obfuscate anything damaging.

They tried to do that with the Mueller report.

Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at December 03, 2019 02:40 PM (jp0Bv)

83
In any case, Barr is free to prosecute the hell out of whomever he pleases regardless of any whitewash, isn't he?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 03, 2019 02:40 PM (M9ntN)

84 59
An MLRS strike on the WaPo building would be start.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for All Your Festival of Gloom Decorations! at December 03, 2019 02:37 PM (hLRSq)


How about those ka-doosh-ki rockets?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2019 02:40 PM (zBaqJ)

85 Help! Help! My hair's on fire!

Posted by: Otters Everywhere at December 03, 2019 02:40 PM (gmo/4)

86 "How come we never get to no-knock raid anyone?"

Because no-knock raids were to get the witnesses to say something bad about Trump and to get Trump to do something that could be called Obstruction of Justice. Only the targets of the raids refused to perjure themselves and Trump was too smart to take the bait.


It was stupid, brutal theater and it failed.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for All Your Festival of Gloom Decorations! at December 03, 2019 02:40 PM (hLRSq)

87 Stop pretending allowing them to make the first strike was a good idea, it wasn't. It is foolish, incompetent, and frankly injurious to their own cause, and supporters.

Christ on a pogo stick, when do we go on offense?
How long, Lord?

Posted by: Permaculture Pete at December 03, 2019 02:40 PM (Fxgkp)

88 Attorney General William P. Barr has told associates he disagrees with the Justice Department's inspector general on one of the key findings in an upcoming report


Then start the arrests. Him and only him has that power.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2019 02:40 PM (ZOlfu)

89 I have been tweeting PDT "Gitmo for the coup plotters!" for years. I am hoping somebody gets arrested.

Posted by: jmel at December 03, 2019 02:41 PM (RWHIh)

90 No more Journeys to Babel?

Yikes.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 03, 2019 02:41 PM (luwYQ)

91 I just have no other idea of what, practically, can be done to stop Sources Say.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 03, 2019 02:33 PM (mf5HN)


An MLRS strike on the WaPo building would be start.
Posted by: Mikey NTH
...........

A plane crash into the Capitol during a joint session would be better. Clancy made a pretty good story out of that scenario!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 03, 2019 02:41 PM (so+oy)

92 It's all over now.

We're not voting our way out of this.

Nothing will happen to anyone.

It's the end. The end.

Posted by: Cue the usual suspects at December 03, 2019 02:41 PM (WI7YS)

93 Dear Dems,

You don't like the "rule of law." Guess what! You're not going to like it if you remove PDT from office.

Posted by: JAS at December 03, 2019 02:41 PM (DBGf/)

94
Ugh. This is gonna be a doom/hair on fire thread.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2019 02:36 PM (bDqIh)

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Nah. I gave up on this story months ago. No hair on fire. The most we can hope for out of this is for a couple of small-fry to be recommended for prosecution. The coup conspirators have gotten away with it.

Time to move on.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2019 02:41 PM (AzW6q)

95 Horowitz was not tasked with determining whether there was sufficient reason to start any investigation- he is only looking at the DoJ and whether the FISA warrants were properly done. Durham and Barr are looking at the predicate question. The WaPo lies out it's ass on this issue to spread the false narrative that there was a valid reason for the spying....

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at December 03, 2019 02:41 PM (jjaLl)

96 Hell we don't even get a single 3:30 pm Friday indictment.

I don't know what is happening but its entirely possible that they've taken place, but instead of going for publicity and narrative control, the DOJ is trying to build solid cases behind the scenes. I have no real confidence this is taking place, but if it was, it would look just like this.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2019 02:41 PM (KZzsI)

97 Fool me once...

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 03, 2019 02:41 PM (MeFYN)

98 68 I've always though of ace as being asexual... like a spore
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 03, 2019 02:38 PM (flINI)

Clearly you've not been around for Pon-Furr.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 03, 2019 02:41 PM (KUaJL)

99 Today Rush said the report will be a nothingburger. He also said Warren will be next out of the Dem race after Harris.


Posted by: blaster at December 03, 2019 02:41 PM (9VeU0)

100 91
A plane crash into the Capitol during a joint session would be better. Clancy made a pretty good story out of that scenario!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 03, 2019 02:41 PM (so+oy)


"Pfft!"

- - Ramzi Yousef, Osama Bin Laden

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2019 02:41 PM (zBaqJ)

101
Well, unless it says they acted improperly, it says they acted properly.

There really ain't no in between.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 03, 2019 02:42 PM (YA914)

102 >>"Be wary of The Washington Post and New York Times reporting on what's
coming up with Horowitz. They've been trying overtime to spin this
thing, to diminish its effect, to downplay it," the Republican South
Carolina senator said in an interview with Sean Hannity on Fox News.


It's not that the Post is spinning for Team Coup it's that the Post (and NYT, and other publications) are on Team Coup.


They were active members, and assisted the likes of Strzok, Page, Comey, Brennan, Clapper and Fusion GPS use their publication to start, maintain, and then leak info from the dirty FISA warrants. For exampl, Stelle used David Corn to create a fake second source for his dossier. Yeah, he wrote the dossier, he leaked it to Corn, then he cited Corn's article about the dossier contents to say: "See, my dossier has been backed up by Corn's reporting!"
The MSM are IN ON IT.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2019 02:42 PM (bDqIh)

103 Katuysha, the Rodina profusely thanks Studebaker for the trucks..,

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 03, 2019 02:42 PM (luwYQ)

104 In any case, Barr is free to prosecute the hell out of whomever he pleases regardless of any whitewash, isn't he?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 03, 2019 02:40 PM (M9ntN)

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Yes.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2019 02:42 PM (AzW6q)

105 That loud scraping noise is the sound of goalposts being moved again.

Posted by: Barney Fife at December 03, 2019 02:42 PM (YTBIQ)

106 I never read that Clancy novel. The one just before that was too much techno bullshit.

Posted by: JAS at December 03, 2019 02:42 PM (DBGf/)

107 68 I've always though of ace as being asexual... like a spore
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 03, 2019 02:38 PM (flINI)

Oh no, meesa seen horny ewok. [Expression of horror]

Posted by: Jar-Jar Binks, Ewok survivor at December 03, 2019 02:42 PM (RD7QR)

108 I have no more hair left to set fire to.

Posted by: BluesFish at December 03, 2019 02:42 PM (WQZ1O)

109 95 Horowitz was not tasked with determining whether there was sufficient reason to start any investigation- he is only looking at the DoJ and whether the FISA warrants were properly done. Durham and Barr are looking at the predicate question. The WaPo lies out it's ass on this issue to spread the false narrative that there was a valid reason for the spying....
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at December 03, 2019 02:41 PM (jjaLl)

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That's the impression I've gotten about these leaks.

They're leaking things about issues that weren't the real issue.

The other day it was, "The FBI did not put a source in Trump's campaign," even though that was never alleged.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at December 03, 2019 02:43 PM (q80AH)

110 Government. Investigating government.

Posted by: john knox at December 03, 2019 02:43 PM (bCLt0)

111 Nah. I gave up on this story months ago. No hair on fire. The most we can hope for out of this is for a couple of small-fry to be recommended for prosecution. The coup conspirators have gotten away with it.

Time to move on.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2019 02:41 PM (AzW6q)

********

When do we get our say...

Posted by: Low Level Cincinnati Feral Gubmint Operators at December 03, 2019 02:43 PM (flINI)

112 They're just preemptively getting the narrative out there so Pelosi and Schumer can say "nothing to see here" when it's released next week.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 03, 2019 02:43 PM (y7DUB)

113 I give no credence to WaPo or NYT or any of the kept media. I am assuming that this will be a whitewash because the last IG report from Horowitz was essentially a whitewash.

There is, however, one conclusion that we can draw from this entire exercise over the past several years regardless of what this particular IG report says. That lesson is, "this system is broken and corrupt to its fucking core."

I prefer the "nuke it from orbit" approach. Just dismantle DoJ entirely and try again with entirely new leadership and brutal rehiring practices for junior folks. GS-12 and higher need not apply at all.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 03, 2019 02:43 PM (I2dne)

114 Yeah.. but sometimes sources are correct.. Mot often, lately.. but sometimes.

I think Ace gives us enough of caveat on these types of stories..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 03, 2019 02:39 PM (so+oy)


Nope. If it is Sources Say and there is no name on the sources, it's lies.

I don't care if it's something I want desperately to be true. If it's Sources Say, it's lies.

When is the last story you read about anything of substance that had named sources?

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 03, 2019 02:43 PM (mf5HN)

115 for those keeping track, an otter is a type of weasel

Posted by: ace at December 03, 2019 02:43 PM (PbpT7)

116 I trust gov't as far as I can throw a runny shit...


Posted by: Builder Berg at December 03, 2019 02:36 PM

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Our kind of citizen.

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And all my buckets are full up

Posted by: Builder Berg at December 03, 2019 02:43 PM (+Yu7u)

117 Here's the bigly problem with that. The Sources Say stories are, generally, the biggest stories of the day and thus ignoring them allows the Sources Say spin to gain traction. So, you know, my idea is even stupider than usual.

I just have no other idea of what, practically, can be done to stop Sources Say.
Posted by: alexthechick


Normally I'd agree, but, this report has been schlepped around DC for over a month and DC lips are as tight as a whore's twat.

So this isn't really business as usual.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2019 02:44 PM (ZOlfu)

118 104 In any case, Barr is free to prosecute the hell out of whomever he pleases regardless of any whitewash, isn't he? 


...


Yep

Posted by: Zero Prosecutions at December 03, 2019 02:44 PM (6A9Kg)

119 Can someone remind me of a time when Democrats were in power that we were allowed to run a competing investigation into anything the DOJ, or Democrat House or Senate were investigating at the same time?
They had Mueller WHILE WE HAD COMPLETE power, then we give them Horowtiz as well, after Mueller didnt work out, AND they have the house to do with as they please.

There is fair, and then there is incompetence and/or a death wish.

Posted by: Permaculture Pete at December 03, 2019 02:44 PM (Fxgkp)

120 Want to point out again that Lisa Page looks like Marisa Tomei's less attractive sister.

Marisa Tomei is so stunning I'd take that. Its like going from a Ferrari to a Maserati. OK, I can live with it

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2019 02:44 PM (KZzsI)

121 My prediction is that Horowitz is going to be keft holding the bag when he appears before the Senate and they start questioning the evidence and hos conclusion.

GOPe might not have spines but the combo of fake impeachment and improved polling for Trump lets them know where they need to move to ne re-elected. I would expect some fireworks and anger ftom GOP committee members at the hearing.

And more battlespace prep for when Durham starts dropping the hammer.

Posted by: Nevyan at December 03, 2019 02:44 PM (iyOaP)

122 >>for those keeping track, an otter is a type of weasel


The Ass-Rapey Type.

Posted by: garrett at December 03, 2019 02:44 PM (tQURu)

123 OT: Orrin Hatch makes fun of Malarkey Joe.

https://bit.ly/35ZTT54

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 03, 2019 02:44 PM (+y/Ru)

124 for those keeping track, an otter is a type of weasel--
Explains the surprise angle

Posted by: FrodoB,
hobbits don't wear socks at December 03, 2019 02:44 PM (BQAo9)

125 So, what's with having baking soda in the night stand drawer?

Posted by: So at December 03, 2019 02:44 PM (ZS+GP)

126 We'll wait and see, report will be out on the 9th - on the one hand, perhaps it will be a whitewash; BUT, I see plenty of room for weasel words in the WaPo report. For example, it may say that there was a predicate for opening it - but was there a predicate for renewing it twice? We don't know. Also, it may say the FBI didn't do this - but what if the CIA did it instead? Horowitz wasn't investigating any CIA aspects, only DOJ and FBI. We already know Durham is outside those parameters, since he's investigating a man in the Pentagon.

It's probable that a lot of people got their hopes up too high on this one report; but that doesn't mean there still isn't going to be a lot of good that comes out of it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 03, 2019 02:45 PM (Kpl3J)

127 I don't care if it's something I want desperately to be true. If it's Sources Say, it's lies.

That's my approach as well. If they can't give a source and its third hand rumor, then don't believe it. Just disregard it like you would the mumblings of that hobo with the can of wine in a paper bag.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2019 02:45 PM (KZzsI)

128 for those keeping track, an otter is a type of weasel
Posted by: ace at December 03, 2019 02:43 PM (PbpT7)

********

What are you lookin' at?

Posted by: A Weasel at December 03, 2019 02:45 PM (flINI)

129 I just have no other idea of what, practically, can be done to stop Sources Say.
Posted by: alexthechick


What about if whenever this sort of thing comes up, if you're going to mention a new "sources say" for whatever, you have to bring up previous instances where the sources were completely full of shit.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 03, 2019 02:45 PM (KUaJL)

130 The suspected intrigue makes me LOL.

These are monkeys trying to fuck a football.

No one is playing 9th dimensional chess.

Posted by: MJ at December 03, 2019 02:46 PM (gAMkn)

131 Woof...

@JRubinBlogger · 12m
Replying to @mviser and @K_JeanPierre

Democrats need to seriously consider changing order of initial primaries. This is embarrassing

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 03, 2019 02:46 PM (E7iEf)

132 So, Horowitz is a type of Otter, then?

Posted by: john knox at December 03, 2019 02:46 PM (bCLt0)

133 So, what's with having baking soda in the night stand drawer?

I use baking soda to calm my gut down when the heartburn gets too bad. My guess its for another purpose though.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2019 02:46 PM (KZzsI)

134 115 for those keeping track, an otter is a type of weasel
Posted by: ace at December 03, 2019 02:43 PM (PbpT7


The type who waits for you to drop the soap in prison??

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 03, 2019 02:46 PM (MeFYN)

135 Dems consider dirty trick of overcharging Trump with multiple impeachment articles-

https://tinyurl.com/w2kbhpb

Posted by: redridinghood at December 03, 2019 02:46 PM (wiXsO)

136 115 for those keeping track, an otter is a type of weasel
Posted by: ace at December 03, 2019 02:43 PM (PbpT7)

We could ask Weasel for confirmation...

Posted by: Jar-Jar Binks, Ewok survivor at December 03, 2019 02:46 PM (RD7QR)

137 125 So, what's with having baking soda in the night stand drawer?

..


To draw the moisture out of our panties.

Posted by: Cuck Servatives at December 03, 2019 02:46 PM (6A9Kg)

138 >>As we all know, I am on a windmill tilting quest against Sources Say.
One of the only practical ways I can think to fight against that is to
ignore the Source Says outrage. Ignore it. Don't link it. Maybe
mention it in passing in posts but just. Ignore it.



Yup. I generally give a Sources Say scandal story at least 24 hours.

Generally, things will fall apart by then. Or the initiator publication/writer will have been forced to send an update tweet that, naturally, is only retweeted by 0.3% of the people who tweeted out the OMGSCANDAL original, erroneous tweet.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2019 02:46 PM (bDqIh)

139 Marisa Tomei is so stunning I'd take that. Its like going from a Ferrari to a Maserati. OK, I can live with it
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2019 02:44 PM (KZzsI)



I cannot deal with Hot Aunt May.

Nope. Sorry. I don't care that, if you do the math, which is not allowed on this blog, that Marisa Tomei is more the proper age to have a nephew Peter Parker's age.

Aunt May is not supposed to be hot like the center of the sun.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 03, 2019 02:47 PM (mf5HN)

140 104 In any case, Barr is free to prosecute the hell out of whomever he pleases regardless of any whitewash, isn't he?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 03, 2019 02:40 PM (M9ntN)

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Yes.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2019 02:42 PM (AzW6q)

the Problem is that most on the Right played the usual the IG is above reproach crap.

Meaning that any actual indictments will be spun as Political.

Its the same playbook they used to get Mueller to investigate Trump for two years. There was no legal basis, but they set up a political basis once Sessions recused himself.

We have known for 2 YEARS about FISA abuse, but everyone was waiting on the IG. Not a single indictment has gone forward because everyone was waiting.

Not with the IG whitewash, they will be able to tie the DOJ's hands up politically.

Just as they have with this sham Impeachment report.

No evidence, but still going forward, with allegations that are not a crime anyway.

Posted by: Don Q at December 03, 2019 02:47 PM (NgKpN)

141 So, what's with having baking soda in the night stand drawer?

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That's not baking soda.

Posted by: Hunter Biden at December 03, 2019 02:47 PM (sX1BW)

142 for those keeping track, an otter is a type of weasel--
Sources Say

Posted by: FrodoB,
hobbits don't wear socks at December 03, 2019 02:47 PM (BQAo9)

143 Please stop with the "all this will bring more votes for Trump" garbage. The entire raison d'etre of the democrats behavior, actions, narratives, etc has been to make GOP votes meaningless. If we allow them to disenfranchise us without getting JUSTICE, the game is already over. They win.

Posted by: Permaculture Pete at December 03, 2019 02:47 PM (Fxgkp)

144 @JRubinBlogger 12m
Replying to @mviser and @K_JeanPierre

Democrats need to seriously consider changing order of initial primaries. This is embarrassing
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 03, 2019 02:46 PM (E7iEf)
++++++++++++++++
What's she driving at? That having initial primaries be in the Interior, in small states, in the South, etc. is counterproductive because we all know that the best Americans live in the parentheses and they should get first vote?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 03, 2019 02:47 PM (I2dne)

145 God-cursed Rasta alien sockoff

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 03, 2019 02:47 PM (RD7QR)

146 I don't know what is happening but its entirely possible that they've taken place, but instead of going for publicity and narrative control, the DOJ is trying to build solid cases behind the scenes. I have no real confidence this is taking place, but if it was, it would look just like this.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

That isn't how it works. You don't go after the king from jump street You arrest bit players. You then offer them lighter sentences if they give up the next higher in the organization.

Rinse, repeat until you get Gotti.

We haven't arrest one bit player yet.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2019 02:48 PM (ZOlfu)

147 Let me just say this "Sources Say" is the biggest Fucking cop out there is. Sports Twitters who say they are Super Duper Insiders say this all the time & when 99% of their Rumors faceplant & never come to fruition they just say that is what my anonymous sources told me.

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 03, 2019 02:48 PM (BqBId)

148 Nah. I gave up on this story months ago. No hair on fire. The most we can hope for out of this is for a couple of small-fry to be recommended for prosecution. The coup conspirators have gotten away with it.

Time to move on.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2019 02:41 PM (AzW6q)

They haven't gotten away with it, because they lost. They did not achieve their objectives, and are now out of power. What would be nice would be revenge for what they did, but that is much more difficult to arrange.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 03, 2019 02:48 PM (Kpl3J)

149 -
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for those keeping track, an otter is a type of weasel


Posted by: ace at December 03, 2019 02:43 PM

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And the otter's fur is actually all white, the brown coloration is from, uhm... staining.

Posted by: David Attenborough at December 03, 2019 02:48 PM (pMGkg)

150 We haven't arrest one bit player yet.
Bingo

Posted by: Permaculture Pete at December 03, 2019 02:48 PM (Fxgkp)

151 139 I cannot deal with Hot Aunt May.

Nope. Sorry. I don't care that, if you do the math, which is not allowed on this blog, that Marisa Tomei is more the proper age to have a nephew Peter Parker's age.

Aunt May is not supposed to be hot like the center of the sun.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 03, 2019 02:47 PM (mf5HN)

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Before the Devil Knows You're Dead...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at December 03, 2019 02:48 PM (q80AH)

152 >>Democrats need to seriously consider changing order of initial primaries. This is embarrassing

Translation: Jen Rubin doesn't like flyover hick states deciding who is the candidate. This is best left to CA, NY, and DC.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2019 02:48 PM (bDqIh)

153 Democrats need to seriously consider changing order of initial primaries. This is embarrassing

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Our dreams may come true.

It is increasingly likely that Hillary will return for another beating.

Posted by: Hunter Biden at December 03, 2019 02:48 PM (sX1BW)

154 The WaPo lies out it's ass on this issue to spread the false narrative that there was a valid reason for the spying....

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at December 03, 2019 02:41 PM (jjaLl)

You do have to wonder if they ever look in the mirror in the morning and realize Josef Goebbels is staring back at them.

Posted by: pep at December 03, 2019 02:49 PM (T6t7i)

155 Has Jen Rubin come out as a Progressive yet? Or is she still faux- Conservative?

Posted by: john knox at December 03, 2019 02:49 PM (bCLt0)

156 139 Marisa Tomei is so stunning I'd take that. Its like going from a Ferrari to a Maserati. OK, I can live with it
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2019 02:44 PM (KZzsI)


I cannot deal with Hot Aunt May.

Nope. Sorry. I don't care that, if you do the math, which is not allowed on this blog, that Marisa Tomei is more the proper age to have a nephew Peter Parker's age.

Aunt May is not supposed to be hot like the center of the sun.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 03, 2019 02:47 PM (mf5HN)

Getting hit on by Happy is also kinda disturbing.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 03, 2019 02:49 PM (RD7QR)

157 135
Dems consider dirty trick of overcharging Trump with multiple impeachment articles-



https://tinyurl.com/w2kbhpb

Posted by: redridinghood at December 03, 2019 02:46 PM (wiXsO)

I don't see any other choice. When this impeachment fails they aren't going to get another chance with different charges.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 03, 2019 02:49 PM (CQ3Qb)

158 152 >>Democrats need to seriously consider changing order of initial primaries. This is embarrassing

Translation: Jen Rubin doesn't like flyover hick states deciding who is the candidate. This is best left to CA, NY, and DC.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2019 02:48 PM (bDqIh)

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I hope they do put California, New York, and Illinois first in 2024.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at December 03, 2019 02:49 PM (q80AH)

159 JRubin probably wants California to go first, she's pissed off that her ho Kamela got knocked out so fast.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 03, 2019 02:49 PM (Kpl3J)

160 I just have no other idea of what, practically, can be done to stop Sources Say
--Require names to stories. Won't happen, but only way to fix it.


Too bad there's not a way to avoid an article by saying "Well, I'd post this but I won't because it's another "Sources Say" article by another anonymous person who can't be identified." But that would just lead to a long string of identical posts all day.

And incidentally, that sounds a lot like "Soros Says," which may not be very far off from the truth. He does fund a lot of Progda so they publish whatever he tells them to publish. Or what they understand that he wants, even without saying it out loud. Which is rather cult-like behavior, IMO.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at December 03, 2019 02:49 PM (HaL55)

161 So Kamala is out. How many does that leave? 20 or so?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 03, 2019 02:49 PM (ycWCI)

162 From the article linked @135:

Some moderates, however, see an advantage to multiple articles, according to three Democratic officials familiar with conversations who spoke on the condition of anonymity to talk freely. A few moderates have actually encouraged leadership to let them vote against some articles of impeachment on the House floor while backing others, a move that would allow centrists taking heat back home to show a degree of independence from their party's left flank and their leadership.


Zackly.

Peachment coming.

Posted by: blaster at December 03, 2019 02:50 PM (9VeU0)

163 Sidebar item: I actually find it hard to believe Hillary tweeted Happy Birthday to herself. It's so pathetic. I'll take signs Hillary was going to lose this from the beginning, Alex!

Posted by: Augustine at December 03, 2019 02:50 PM (BDZWU)

164 Posted by: Don Q at December 03, 2019 02:47 PM (NgKpN)

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Yeah, I highly doubt Barr will charge anyone who isn't referred - just noting that he can. And should.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2019 02:50 PM (AzW6q)

165 They haven't gotten away with it, because they lost. They did not achieve their objectives, and are now out of power. What would be nice would be revenge for what they did, but that is much more difficult to arrange.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 03, 2019 02:48 PM (Kpl3J)
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They aren't out of power, and this crap demonstrates it. They don't have the White House (well, not much of it) but they do have the rest.

Justice is imperative. Unless justice is done (I would accept revenge, but justice would be better - at least for now), it demonstrates that not only are they not out of power, power is eternally theirs.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 03, 2019 02:50 PM (I2dne)

166 What's she driving at? That having initial primaries be in the Interior, in small states, in the South, etc. is counterproductive because we all know that the best Americans live in the parentheses and they should get first vote?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 03, 2019 02:47 PM (I2dne)


Yonks ago, Jim Geraghty proposed an upgraded primary system designed to better balance out large and small states and to bring more geographical parity.

The key to this system was that the first primary was in Hawaii. In late January. For, you know, the super good reason of being in Hawaii in late January and not in Iowa.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 03, 2019 02:50 PM (mf5HN)

167 Totally off topic, but why can't Kohls up their shipping game? Sigh, at least they take amazon returns now..

Off to the valley to breath some bad air, good to the book store and hopefully finish up christmas.

Posted by: Permaculture Pete at December 03, 2019 02:50 PM (Fxgkp)

168 Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at December 03, 2019 02:41 PM (jjaLl)

Obtaining the FISA warrants was the key to starting the investigation so though not entirely accurate , it does effect the other investigation.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 03, 2019 02:50 PM (ZLlh9)

169 Horowitz is playing 3 dimensional chess!

Or something.

Posted by: Regular joe at December 03, 2019 02:50 PM (6/uwW)

170 IG Horowitz was never investigating the predicate claims that initiated the CIA/FBI operation known as "Crossfire Hurricane". So how exactly would AG Barr and IG Horowitz be diverging on an aspect to a predicate that Horowitz was never reviewing?

Additionally, as DOJ IG Horowitz was never tasked or empowered to interview CIA officers who are known to have been at the heart of the pre-July 2016 operation. Horowitz was/is focused on the DOJ and FBI compliance with legal requirements for the FISA application that was assembled for use in October 2016, and renewed throughout 2017.
.. don't be fooled by #FakeNews

Posted by: SMOD at December 03, 2019 02:50 PM (X5CsJ)

171 153 Democrats need to seriously consider changing order of initial primaries. This is embarrassing

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Our dreams may come true.

It is increasingly likely that Hillary will return for another beating.
Posted by: Hunter Biden at December 03, 2019 02:48 PM (sX1BW)

They found a new deposit of titanium so now I can have my exoskeleton! *hic**shart**thud*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton, Nacho President at December 03, 2019 02:51 PM (RD7QR)

172 152 >>Democrats need to seriously consider changing order of initial primaries. This is embarrassing

Translation: Jen Rubin doesn't like flyover hick states deciding who is the candidate. This is best left to CA, NY, and DC.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2019 02:48 PM (bDqIh)


Translation: Jen Rubin is too stupid to realize that no primary has been held yet.

Posted by: blaster at December 03, 2019 02:51 PM (9VeU0)

173 The key to this system was that the first primary was in Hawaii. In late January. For, you know, the super good reason of being in Hawaii in late January and not in Iowa.

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Seems smart.

Posted by: SH at December 03, 2019 02:51 PM (sX1BW)

174 I don't see any other choice. When this impeachment fails they aren't going to get another chance with different charges.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 03, 2019 02:49 PM (CQ3Qb)

The hilarious problem for them is - they already had a big round of hearings, and never mentioned these. So now they're going to vote for Impeachment, and say "oh yeah this too!" like an afterthought? That's pathetic!!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 03, 2019 02:51 PM (Kpl3J)

175 LEAVE THE OTTERS ALONE!

they are sweet creatures. except for the river otters, they're nasty, vile, aggressive weasels.

sea otters are so much nicer than 99% of yall.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 03, 2019 02:51 PM (d7Ww2)

176 I kind of wish Kamala would have been the nominee. She is so toxic and a turn off to any thinking human being.

Posted by: Augustine at December 03, 2019 02:51 PM (BDZWU)

177 172
Translation: Jen Rubin is too stupid to realize that no primary has been held yet.
Posted by: blaster at December 03, 2019 02:51 PM (9VeU0)

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People are dropping out due to polls in Iowa and South Carolina.

Her complaint holds merit, though it's still dumb because it's a guaranteed way to nominate crazies.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at December 03, 2019 02:52 PM (q80AH)

178 Posted by: Permaculture Pete at December 03, 2019 02:47 PM (Fxgkp)

Thank you for your concern.

You may pick up your door prize from the Otter-like gentleman in the velour leisure suit.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for All Your Festival of Gloom Decorations! at December 03, 2019 02:52 PM (hLRSq)

179 135 I was against it before I was for it has a familiar ring anyway.

Posted by: rammajamma at December 03, 2019 02:52 PM (PQRcz)

180 156 139 Marisa Tomei is so stunning I'd take that. Its like going from a Ferrari to a Maserati. OK, I can live with it
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2019 02:44 PM (KZzsI)


I cannot deal with Hot Aunt May.

Nope. Sorry. I don't care that, if you do the math, which is not allowed on this blog, that Marisa Tomei is more the proper age to have a nephew Peter Parker's age.

Aunt May is not supposed to be hot like the center of the sun.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 03, 2019 02:47 PM (mf5HN)

Getting hit on by Happy is also kinda disturbing.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 03, 2019 02:49 PM (RD7QR)

You want Thor

You'd settle for Hawkeye

You'll get Happy

Posted by: josephistan at December 03, 2019 02:52 PM (Izzlo)

181 Before the Devil Knows You're Dead...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at December 03, 2019 02:48 PM (q80AH)


*sirens blare*

Horde this is your two minute warning that an extended brown out is about to occur in your location. No, it doesn't matter where on the planet that location is.

*sirens blare*

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 03, 2019 02:53 PM (mf5HN)

182
They haven't gotten away with it, because they lost. They did not achieve their objectives, and are now out of power. What would be nice would be revenge for what they did, but that is much more difficult to arrange.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 03, 2019 02:48 PM (Kpl3J)

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The coup failed, but it was the worst political crime in US history, and all the key players are going to be walked. That's what I meant by "getting away with it."

If I rob a bank, and fail to get the cash, I still committed armed robbery.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2019 02:53 PM (AzW6q)

183 People are dropping out due to polls in Iowa and South Carolina.

Her complaint holds merit, though it's still dumb because it's a guaranteed way to nominate crazies.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at December 03, 2019 02:52 PM (q80AH)
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People like her are crazies, and want crazy nominees because it lets them feel normal.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 03, 2019 02:53 PM (I2dne)

184 50 I trust gov't as far as I can throw a runny shit...

Posted by: Builder Berg
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Dude, that's a nasty visual.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at December 03, 2019 02:53 PM (a3tan)

185 Before the Devil Knows You're Dead...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at December 03, 2019 02:48 PM (q80AH)

Doggie style. But you also have to put up with seeing a flat , pale white hairy ass.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 03, 2019 02:53 PM (ZLlh9)

186 Dems consider dirty trick of overcharging Trump with multiple impeachment articles

Old prosecutor trick, trying to intimidate. They want Trump to Nixon out and resign.

Nope. Sorry. I don't care that, if you do the math, which is not allowed on this blog, that Marisa Tomei is more the proper age to have a nephew Peter Parker's age.

I agree. But I think I know why they did it, in addition to super hot girl for RDJ to interact with. First off, Downey likes certain actresses and tries to get them work (he did for Paltrow, for instance). He and Tomei did a movie early in her career and have long been close.

Second -- and this is inside baseball movie geek stuff -- I think the MCU Spider-Man stuff is deliberately done as an alternate universe. Black Mary Jane. Geeky buddy of Peter Parker. Iron Man builds his costume. Aunt May is hawt. Almost all the details are like 45 degrees off true, to make sure viewers understand this isn't quite Spider-Man, but another alternate universe version, and I think that was part of the Deal Sony insisted on so they had the only "true" Spider-Man.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2019 02:53 PM (KZzsI)

187 It is difficult to overstate just how much the press are political operatives to the Democrats. They were at least 50% of the entire Russia hoax campaign so there's zero reason to believe they have decided to be journalist now.

There is nothing else to do but wait.

Posted by: Tommy V at December 03, 2019 02:53 PM (GCivW)

188 Next up: Special investigator declares that Epstein in fact did kill himself and all proper procedure at the prison were followed, mostly anyway, so everybody should just shut-up about it already.

Posted by: Ripley at December 03, 2019 02:53 PM (MxEKc)

189 I kind of wish Kamala would have been the nominee. She is so toxic and a turn off to any thinking human being.

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Don't worry, the Democrats have an endless supply of candidates with those qualifications.

And one waiting in the wings ... as soon as she sobers up.

Posted by: SH at December 03, 2019 02:53 PM (sX1BW)

190 sea otters are so much nicer than 99% of yall.--
I miss my comfort otter. Sniff. Hope you all choke on it...

Posted by: FrodoB,
hobbits don't wear socks at December 03, 2019 02:53 PM (BQAo9)

191 IG Horowitz was never investigating the predicate claims that initiated the CIA/FBI operation known as "Crossfire Hurricane". So how exactly would AG Barr and IG Horowitz be diverging on an aspect to a predicate that Horowitz was never reviewing?

Additionally, as DOJ IG Horowitz was never tasked or empowered to interview CIA officers who are known to have been at the heart of the pre-July 2016 operation. Horowitz was/is focused on the DOJ and FBI compliance with legal requirements for the FISA application that was assembled for use in October 2016, and renewed throughout 2017.
.. don't be fooled by #FakeNews
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This times a BILLIONTY
********
But the Cognitive Dissonance of the Clinically depressed here will ignore

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 03, 2019 02:53 PM (BqBId)

192 176 I kind of wish Kamala would have been the nominee. She is so toxic and a turn off to any thinking human being.
Posted by: Augustine at December 03, 2019 02:51 PM (BDZWU)

For how many of these assholes is that NOT true?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 03, 2019 02:53 PM (ycWCI)

193 People are dropping out due to polls in Iowa and South Carolina.

Her complaint holds merit, though it's still dumb because it's a guaranteed way to nominate crazies.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at December 03, 2019 02:52 PM (q80AH)


People are dropping out because they are not popular and don't have the money to keep burning.

Harris wasn't popular ANYWHERE. She was running behind Yang in California months ago. Bullock wasn't even in the 1s. Neither was Sestak.



Posted by: blaster at December 03, 2019 02:54 PM (9VeU0)

194 Horowitz was/is focused on the DOJ and FBI compliance with legal requirements for the FISA application that was assembled for use in October 2016, and renewed throughout 2017.
.. don't be fooled by #FakeNews

Posted by: SMOD


So three years to determine someone lied on a warrant application that their bosses will deny having any idea it happened?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2019 02:54 PM (ZOlfu)

195 The coup failed, but it was the worst political crime in US history, and all the key players are going to be walked. That's what I meant by "getting away with it."

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That will be sad indeed.

My suspicion is that if anything will happen, it will have to happen in Trump's 2nd term.

Posted by: SH at December 03, 2019 02:55 PM (sX1BW)

196 Horde this is your two minute warning that an extended brown out is about to occur in your location.
--Are we talking about ass-hole bleaching again?

Posted by: FrodoB,
hobbits don't wear socks at December 03, 2019 02:55 PM (BQAo9)

197 Horowitz has no reason to comment on opening of the investigation. He investigated FISA abuse, not the full investigation. It's outside his purview.

Posted by: Not Mueller at December 03, 2019 02:55 PM (7QV7C)

198 A few moderates have actually encouraged leadership to let them vote
against some articles of impeachment on the House floor while backing
others
___

That's right, I'm a moderate. I voted against impeaching the president because he is icky and for impeaching the president because he is mean.

Posted by: Some Moderate at December 03, 2019 02:55 PM (WdocV)

199 For, you know, the super good reason of being in Hawaii in late January and not in Iowa.

I can't argue with that logic

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2019 02:55 PM (KZzsI)

200 >>>>Democrats need to seriously consider changing order of initial primaries. This is embarrassing




For the same reason they haaate the Electoral college.

They don't want to have to campaign in flyover states. They don;t want to have to appeal to/relate to people not like themselves. Yes, they are bigots.


They want to spend all their time in states that matter (to them), the big, indigo blue states where their ideas are welcome and their progressive cache is appreciated (i.e., look at all the identity boxes I check, you guyz!) so they won't have to work hard for votes.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2019 02:55 PM (bDqIh)

201 Most IG investigations take at least 2 years as Jack Straw said BUT See my post above

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 03, 2019 02:55 PM (BqBId)

202 Additionally, as DOJ IG Horowitz was never tasked or empowered to interview CIA officers who are known to have been at the heart of the pre-July 2016 operation. Horowitz was/is focused on the DOJ and FBI compliance with legal requirements for the FISA application that was assembled for use in October 2016, and renewed throughout 2017.
.. don't be fooled by #FakeNews

Posted by: SMOD at December 03, 2019 02:50 PM (X5CsJ)

Then why in the holy living Hell have we all been waiting for an IG report?

Why have their been no indictments?

It's been public knowledge for TWO YEARS that laws were broken. Yet the ONLY people actually finding out information seems to be a few actual reporters, and Judicial Watch.

They are doing permanent damage to our society, to our faith in the Justice Department and Judicial systems, let alone the FBI.

Yet there seems to be no urgency exhibited BY the Justice Department, to clean this up.

And human nature is such that betrayal of trust, destroys Faith, and faith is very very hard to restore.

Posted by: Don Q at December 03, 2019 02:55 PM (NgKpN)

203 You could fire every single person working for the federal government tomorrow and the country would only be better off for it.

I am ready to go back to local warlords and tribal conflict if this is what "justice" looks like. At least then the guys on your side are actually on your side.

Posted by: Thatch at December 03, 2019 02:56 PM (0IVKZ)

204 There won't be an impeachment vote.

Nancy filled the past two months with bullshit now they'll just pretend it never happened and move on to the primary.

Her base will fall in line and she knows it.

Posted by: MJ at December 03, 2019 02:56 PM (gAMkn)

205 OT: Not sure if the source is legit, but apparently Epstein's banker hanged himself: https://tinyurl.com/va3aqcq

Posted by: Augustine at December 03, 2019 02:56 PM (BDZWU)

206 Anyone here who thinks we are a country of laws any longer, please raise your hands.

Good, good.

I would like to talk to you about a great business deal.

Posted by: WOPR at December 03, 2019 02:56 PM (J70i0)

207 204 There won't be an impeachment vote.

Nancy filled the past two months with bullshit now they'll just pretend it never happened and move on to the primary.

Her base will fall in line and she knows it.
Posted by: MJ at December 03, 2019 02:56 PM (gAMkn)

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While donating x fewer dollars and y fewer hours of their time to defeat Orange Man Bad because what's the point Democrats are just as bad anyway.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at December 03, 2019 02:56 PM (q80AH)

208 88 Attorney General William P. Barr has told associates he disagrees with the Justice Department's inspector general on one of the key findings in an upcoming report

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2019 02:40 PM (ZOlfu)


What about this: What if Barr believes an IG finding of wrongdoing is WRONG; i.e, the FBI did not do anything criminal or not by the procedure book? How many here will set their hair on fire, set their house on fire, then commit seppuku?

Posted by: Devil's Advocate at December 03, 2019 02:57 PM (wWSRi)

209 The Loons here never disappoint me

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 03, 2019 02:57 PM (BqBId)

210 But the Cognitive Dissonance of the Clinically depressed here will ignore
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 03, 2019 02:53 PM (BqBId)

Do you know what cognitive dissonance means?

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 03, 2019 02:57 PM (ZLlh9)

211 I kind of wish Kamala would have been the nominee. She is so toxic and a turn off to any thinking human being.

Name one they have which is NOT toxic? I mean, even Tulsi Gabbard is a radical baby murder-supporting "men in your daughter's locker room" crazy.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2019 02:57 PM (KZzsI)

212 The FISA warrant and subsequent monitoring of Trump's campaign was necessary, since it's been proven that he tends to get dirt on political rivals from foreign governments. The DOJ was just doing its job to investigate a traitor.

Posted by: No at December 03, 2019 02:57 PM (lQ1cJ)

213 Second -- and this is inside baseball movie geek stuff -- I think the MCU Spider-Man stuff is deliberately done as an alternate universe. Black Mary Jane. Geeky buddy of Peter Parker. Iron Man builds his costume. Aunt May is hawt. Almost all the details are like 45 degrees off true, to make sure viewers understand this isn't quite Spider-Man, but another alternate universe version, and I think that was part of the Deal Sony insisted on so they had the only "true" Spider-Man.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2019 02:53 PM (KZzsI)


The MCU Spiderman is supposed to be based on the Ultimates universe right? Which explains the changes.

BUT AUNT MAY IS STILL NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HOT!

Great, now I want to watch Untamed Heart.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 03, 2019 02:57 PM (mf5HN)

214 In this instance, I don't actually think Trump is the target.

The government wants the ability to surveil anyone they f*cking please for any f*cking reason they want.

Any standard other than "a judge said it's okay" is unacceptable to them, because they install the f*cking judges and compensate them.

A ruling of "the judge gave a bad consent based on bad evidence" is to place primary on evidence versus bureaucratic process.

They want to read your emails, track your credit cards and watch which position you bang your wife in through your TV set anytime they please. Never know when they might need to eliminate you.

Shit, they already control your bank account, your property, your income, your healthcare, your kids education, and every other damned aspect of your life. Might as well give access to the color of your wife's panties and your Amazon purchase history too.

Because #keepingyoufreeandsafe!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 03, 2019 02:57 PM (YA914)

215 Running out the clock, playing and praying for a Democrat victory next year, might be the strategy.

Posted by: john knox at December 03, 2019 02:57 PM (bCLt0)

216 And human nature is such that betrayal of trust, destroys Faith, and faith is very very hard to restore.
Posted by: Don Q at December 03, 2019 02:55 PM (NgKpN

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Heh. I will not consider trusting any part of the US federal government for any reason, ever. They're dead to me.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2019 02:57 PM (AzW6q)

217 Possible theory: leak the story that Barr disagreed with the initial assessment.

Then when the initial assessment comes out and it's BAD, you establish the narrative that Barr had the assessment changed and now THAT'S the story.

Posted by: Tommy V at December 03, 2019 02:58 PM (GCivW)

218 The appalling report is appalling.

Posted by: Bill Barr at December 03, 2019 02:58 PM (Pzzpr)

219 Posted by: Easy Andy at December 03, 2019 02:57 PM (ZLlh9)
**********
Do You

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at December 03, 2019 02:58 PM (BqBId)

220 For how many of these assholes is that NOT true?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 03, 2019 02:53 PM (ycWCI)
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Fair point, lol. What I mean is that Kamala is actually evil. Most of the others are just idiots.

Posted by: Augustine at December 03, 2019 02:58 PM (BDZWU)

221 I'm sick to fucking death of hearing speculation about this shit. Release the fucker.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at December 03, 2019 02:58 PM (sWM8x)

222 Nancy filled the past two months with bullshit now they'll just pretend it never happened and move on to the primary.

That's where I am still but I'm losing confidence in that position. The Dems really do seem dumb enough to do it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2019 02:58 PM (KZzsI)

223 Then why in the holy living Hell have we all been waiting for an IG report?



Why have their been no indictments?



It's been public knowledge for TWO YEARS that laws were broken. Yet
the ONLY people actually finding out information seems to be a few
actual reporters, and Judicial Watch.



They are doing permanent damage to our society, to our faith in the Justice Department and Judicial systems, let alone the FBI.



Yet there seems to be no urgency exhibited BY the Justice Department, to clean this up.



And human nature is such that betrayal of trust, destroys Faith, and faith is very very hard to restore.

Posted by: Don Q at December 03, 2019 02:55 PM (NgKpN)

Bingo. Some people refuse to see what all of this is. The Deep State is simply providing a thin veneer of legality to their completely illegal actions. If people admitted that, then they have to start making choices instead of living in a myth that this is somehow mid-20th century America.

Posted by: WOPR at December 03, 2019 02:59 PM (J70i0)

224 Slightly O/T: I'm old enough to remember Lindsey Graham promising a Senate Judiciary Committee investigation into the coordinated defamation, and characters associated with the character assassination, of Brett Kavanaugh. Good times ...

Posted by: ShainS at December 03, 2019 02:59 PM (8TQ1K)

225 The coup failed, but it was the worst political crime in US history, and all the key players are going to be walked. That's what I meant by "getting away with it."

If I rob a bank, and fail to get the cash, I still committed armed robbery.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2019 02:53 PM (AzW6q)

True Justice requires martial law and firing squads. We're not politically powerful enough yet to obtain True Justice. Low grade bank robbers are easy, they have no power. But look at someone powerful like John Corzine, who stole more money from the bank than every small time bank robber for the last 100 years combined. He walked. Why? He had power, and powerful friends. That's the way of this world. The powerful never face Justice, the best you can hope for is to foil their plans. And sooner or later, they all die, and then you can laugh and go piss on their grave.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 03, 2019 02:59 PM (Kpl3J)

226 It's been public knowledge for TWO YEARS that laws were broken. Yet the
ONLY people actually finding out information seems to be a few actual
reporters, and Judicial Watch.

***

Yep. There has been enough evidence to arrest all of the low level schmucks for years now.


And if you actually want to get somewhere with an investigation...that is what you do. The likes of Page and Strozk are far more likely to give up the level above them when kept in solitary for a year or two.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 03, 2019 02:59 PM (WdocV)

227 What about this: What if Barr believes an IG finding of wrongdoing is WRONG; i.e, the FBI did not do anything criminal or not by the procedure book? How many here will set their hair on fire, set their house on fire, then commit seppuku?
Posted by: Devil's Advocate


What's Barr's play? How he responds has everything to do with peoples' reactions.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2019 03:00 PM (ZOlfu)

228 I am voting this is fake news.



Neither Graham nor Trump would be hyping the release of the report if it said the FBI did nothing wrong (an assertion that is patently ridiculous given what we know about the "evidence" they used to get FISA warrants).

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 03, 2019 03:00 PM (nAiE/)

229 Speaking of surveil I just got back into the country on Friday and it is the first time i've ever gone through facial recognition at Customs. It was fast and efficient... which bothered me.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 03, 2019 03:00 PM (flINI)

230 I think I'll just wait for the report, however long that takes.

Posted by: Sooner at December 03, 2019 03:00 PM (Fs5vw)

231 The MCU Spiderman is supposed to be based on the Ultimates universe right? Which explains the changes.

Except there's a lot in the MCU ones that isn't Ultimate Universe stuff. So its not very consistent.

I loved Rosemary Harris on the Raimi Spider-Man movies, she was so perfect. Almost all the casting was wonderful in those (except MJ, Kirsten Dunst is adorable but stupid as a Dem Voter).

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2019 03:01 PM (KZzsI)

232 >>Great, now I want to watch Untamed Heart.


Or watch "The Guru"!

Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2019 03:01 PM (bDqIh)

233 184 50 I trust gov't as far as I can throw a runny shit...

Posted by: Builder Berg
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Dude, that's a nasty visual.

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Yes they are

Posted by: Builder Berg at December 03, 2019 03:01 PM (+Yu7u)

234 157 135
Dems consider dirty trick of overcharging Trump with multiple impeachment articles-

https://tinyurl.com/w2kbhpb

Posted by: redridinghood

I don't see any other choice. When this impeachment fails they aren't going to get another chance with different charges.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans
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To expect anything different is uncivilized.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at December 03, 2019 03:01 PM (a3tan)

235 Peachment coming.
Posted by: blaster

In the spirit of the season, for every Peachment Shake sold, we will donate 50 cents to the SPLC.

Posted by: Cuck-Fil-A at December 03, 2019 03:01 PM (QzkSJ)

236 Were I Trump, if in a month or two we are in the same place, I'd prepare plan "Let it Burn"....namely on Nov 1 20202 release all the files, unredacted, and start arresting people.

At that point why not?

Posted by: 18-1 at December 03, 2019 03:01 PM (WdocV)

237 >>221
I'm sick to fucking death of hearing speculation about this shit. Release the fucker.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis

#twoweeks

Posted by: Bill Barr at December 03, 2019 03:01 PM (Pzzpr)

238 I refuse to believe any leaks. The leakers are not on our side. This is disinformation.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at December 03, 2019 03:02 PM (J+mig)

239 If it is a whitewash, then they all need to go. Every fucking one of them. You can't have a democratic republic where there's a two-tier justice system.

Posted by: Concerned People's Front at December 03, 2019 03:02 PM (vGJY7)

240 41 Isn't Horowitz also known for defending Lon Horiuchi ?


Lon Horiuchi acted properly too!

Posted by: HOROWITZ at December 03, 2019 03:02 PM (nFwvY)

241 I read the second Perry Mason book recently, and the prosecutor in that did all the dirty tricks imaginable to win his case, such as "accidentally losing" the paperwork recording previous interviews of witnesses which damaged their case. It was so familiar....

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2019 03:02 PM (KZzsI)

242 "Jessica" Yaniv is back again. This time he's upset that a gynecologist doesn't want to examine his dick and balls.

The Blaze story here:
https://tinyurl.com/tegpzzu

Posted by: E. Jean at December 03, 2019 03:02 PM (ZGrMX)

243 Also, Lisa Page is being way to hysterical about not having committed criminal acts for her not having a coming accusation that she is trying to get ahead of.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 03, 2019 03:02 PM (nAiE/)

244 Horowitz is just another example of the Deep State protecting their fellow Deep Staters.


Horowitz had a chance to save the DoJ's credibility.

Epic, complete FAIL.


Posted by: Progda at December 03, 2019 03:02 PM (sy5kK)

245 228 I am voting this is fake news.



Neither Graham nor Trump would be hyping the release of the report if it said the FBI did nothing wrong (an assertion that is patently ridiculous given what we know about the "evidence" they used to get FISA warrants).
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 03, 2019 03:00 PM (nAiE/)

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It's an argument by authority at best, but I subscribe to it.

Trump doesn't feel like the guy who's going to let the people who tried to destroy him slide. "I caught the swamp. I caught them all."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at December 03, 2019 03:03 PM (q80AH)

246
Besides Pedo Island, Epstein also had Pedo Ranch, and Bubba and Hillary were frequent guests there:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7748467

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at December 03, 2019 03:03 PM (NMAzL)

247 229 Speaking of surveil I just got back into the country on Friday and it is the first time i've ever gone through facial recognition at Customs. It was fast and efficient... which bothered me.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 03, 2019 03:00 PM (flINI)

All you need to know about it is on NCIS. There is nothing it can't solve or reveal. The Feds are God- like.

Posted by: john knox at December 03, 2019 03:03 PM (bCLt0)

248 And if you actually want to get somewhere with an investigation...that is what you do. The likes of Page and Strozk are far more likely to give up the level above them when kept in solitary for a year or two.

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The problem with that approach (not that it shouldn't be tried), is that even if you slap a pair of bracelets on one of those little fuckers in the hopes of rolling them up at bigger players, they'll walk to their holding cell with 99% confidence that a DC jury will let them off the hook, and then it's on to the book deals, cable news gigs, and juicy GFMs.

They'd be very, very difficult to roll.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2019 03:03 PM (AzW6q)

249 Three greatest lies:

1. I won't cum in your mouth

2. Government officials will be held accountable

3. The report will be released in two weeks

Posted by: Regular joe at December 03, 2019 03:03 PM (6/uwW)

250


Lon Horiuchi acted properly too!
___

That woman was carrying a high capacity baby with the thing that goes up. What else could I do but cap her right in the skull?


Posted by: Lon Horiuchi at December 03, 2019 03:03 PM (WdocV)

251 And now, for something completely different...

Posted by: Burger Chef at December 03, 2019 03:03 PM (RuIsu)

252 If it is a whitewash, then they all need to go. Every fucking one of them. You can't have a democratic republic where there's a two-tier justice system.
Posted by: Concerned People's Front at December 03, 2019 03:02 PM (vGJY7)
+++++++++++++
Why the conditions? Whether it's a whitewash or whether it's unalloyed and brutal truth is immaterial at this point.

Get rid of them all anyway. Burn it down to the waterline.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 03, 2019 03:04 PM (I2dne)

253 Horowitz can suck on this.
signed: Donka Honchy

Posted by: chipster at December 03, 2019 03:04 PM (utYxS)

254 Wash Post is full of bovine excrement. The IG and the DOJ have two very separate and different focuses. The Wash Post is the desired mouthpiece of the CIA. The IG cannot address the CIA involvement or really even speak to it....but the DOJ can. They are, quite simply, trying to present that the IG report and the DOJ investigation are one in the same...they are not....emphatically, they are not. If they can do so, they then apply the label "Politically motivated" to any indictments the DOJ hands down using a very and narrow and specific IG mandate. This is the media enabling the CIA to obfuscate...that is all....carry on .

Posted by: Orson at December 03, 2019 03:04 PM (hXke2)

255 All you need to know about it is on NCIS. There is nothing it can't solve or reveal. The Feds are God- like.

"Exactly, we're incorruptible and unfailingly ethical, we always do the job right!"
--Criminal Minds

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2019 03:04 PM (KZzsI)

256 They want to read your emails, track your credit cards and watch which
position you bang your wife in through your TV set anytime they please.
Never know when they might need to eliminate you.


Strange how the right to privacy allows a woman the power to kill her child in utero but the same right to privacy mysteriously doesn't apply to the information a citizen generates despite the Fourth Amendment's plain language guaranteeing that information be secure. For those of you in Rio Linda, that means that anybody else who wants to use your information has to get your expressed approval.

It's nice to have those "penumbra" thingys where you can just make up shit as you go along instead of using the actual words of the actual law.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at December 03, 2019 03:05 PM (HaL55)

257 -
--
Neither Graham nor Trump would be hyping the release
of the report if it said the FBI did nothing wrong (an assertion that
is patently ridiculous given what we know about the "evidence" they used
to get FISA warrants).


Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 03, 2019 03:00 PM

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Most likely it will have nuggets both sides can point to and say "SEE!! WE WERE RIGHT!!!!". Rinse and repeat ad-infinitum.

Posted by: irright at December 03, 2019 03:05 PM (pMGkg)

258 Bingo. Some people refuse to see what all of this is. The Deep State is simply providing a thin veneer of legality to their completely illegal actions. If people admitted that, then they have to start making choices instead of living in a myth that this is somehow mid-20th century America.
Posted by: WOPR at December 03, 2019 02:59 PM (J70i0)

When in the course, of human events...

Posted by: Don Q at December 03, 2019 03:05 PM (NgKpN)

259 >>249
Three Four greatest lies:



1. I won't cum in your mouth



2. Government officials will be held accountable



3. The report will be released in two weeks

Posted by: Regular joe

4. Just the tip

Posted by: Galil at December 03, 2019 03:05 PM (Pzzpr)

260 "Exactly, we're incorruptible and unfailingly ethical, we always do the job right!"
--Criminal Minds

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I honestly did not know the US had so many serial killers.

Posted by: SH at December 03, 2019 03:05 PM (sX1BW)

261 they'll walk to their holding cell with 99% confidence that a DC jury will let them off the hook
***

Why on earth would you bring charges in DC? Arrest them in VA and empanel a just in the Southern/Western part of the state. They love them some federal government bureaucrats out in the boonies in Virginia...


Posted by: 18-1 at December 03, 2019 03:05 PM (WdocV)

262 Dems consider dirty trick of overcharging Trump with multiple impeachment articles-



https://tinyurl.com/w2kbhpb



Posted by: redridinghood



I don't see any other choice. When this impeachment fails they aren't going to get another chance with different charges.



Posted by: Brian in New Orleans

------------

To expect anything different is uncivilized.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at December 03, 2019 03:01 PM (a3tan)

Since any Articles they will write are pure fiction, every bit of it is overcharging. Let them be as ridiculous as they are going to. It just makes it that much more obvious what they are doing.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 03, 2019 03:05 PM (nAiE/)

263 Also, Lisa Page is being way to hysterical about not having committed criminal acts for her not having a coming accusation that she is trying to get ahead of.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 03, 2019 03:02 PM (nAiE/)

I interpreted her interview to indicate she knows what is in the report and feels she was harassed and deserves an apology. I prefer your take though.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 03, 2019 03:05 PM (ZLlh9)

264 261 they'll walk to their holding cell with 99% confidence that a DC jury will let them off the hook
***

Why on earth would you bring charges in DC? Arrest them in VA and empanel a just in the Southern/Western part of the state. They love them some federal government bureaucrats out in the boonies in Virginia...


Posted by: 18-1 at December 03, 2019 03:05 PM (WdocV)

=========

Isn't Durham working in Utah?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at December 03, 2019 03:05 PM (q80AH)

265 239 If it is a whitewash, then they all need to go. Every fucking one of them. You can't have a democratic republic where there's a two-tier justice system.
Posted by: Concerned People's Front at December 03, 2019 03:02 PM (vGJY7)

One side plays for the kill.

The other is considering getting its lower ribs removed to see if it'll let them suck their own cock.

Posted by: Allie at December 03, 2019 03:05 PM (sm6Pk)

266 48 A whitewash would be very bad. One group of people in this country still believes in something approaching the ideal of "rule of law." That group is conservatives.

The perfidy in this is obvious to anyone who is not deliberately and willfully blind to it. If it truly is a wet fart - and for whatever it's worth, my money is on "wet fart" - it could change that. If no one in power is willing to give "rule of law" even vague, empty, mealy-mouthed lip service, then why should anyone else bother?

It probably won't be vigilantism and rioting in the streets, at least not very soon. But it may well be casual contempt for the law and its enforcers and, critically, being unwilling to cooperate with lawmen.

I'm already there, but I'm a radical and I understand that. But this kind of thing may well push others into the same camp.

They're playing with matches and I fear that they could well end up burning the house down.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 03, 2019 02:36 PM (I2dne)


Many euphemisms here, all saying the country is going down and the government law enforcement is corrupt, so they can't be trusted when the shooting starts in CW2.

Not even a little bit.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 03, 2019 03:06 PM (sy5kK)

267 >>Besides Pedo Island, Epstein also had Pedo Ranch, and Bubba and Hillary were frequent guests there:


Yeah, there's some serious weirdness there, considering its proximity to other things, his partial ownership of an underground bunker building company, that he annually got a permit to dig on his property for some reason or another, and the connection to all of the AI/MIT/transhumanist stuff.

There is a HUGE story about all the things Epstein was into, if only someone would put all the pieces together and report it.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2019 03:06 PM (bDqIh)

268 Bleach the Penumbras!

Posted by: Burger Chef at December 03, 2019 03:06 PM (RuIsu)

269 Timing, is this setting up for a summer of indicated deep staters and some early fall trials, smothering any Dim campaign momentum.

Posted by: Jean at December 03, 2019 03:06 PM (cA12H)

270 so, we've gone from some people did something, to nobody did anything. you bet your ass i trust my fucking thieving, government. horowitz should be in prison just for being a bought off incompetent asshole.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 03, 2019 03:06 PM (KP5rU)

271 The problem with that approach (not that it shouldn't be tried), is that even if you slap a pair of bracelets on one of those little fuckers in the hopes of rolling them up at bigger players, they'll walk to their holding cell with 99% confidence that a DC jury will let them off the hook, and then it's on to the book deals, cable news gigs, and juicy GFMs.

They'd be very, very difficult to roll.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2019 03:03 PM (AzW6q)

Its amazing that Manafort and Stone are in Jail today, because they did not roll over on Trump.

Yet no one in this conspiracy seems to have any real Pressure from DOJ on them.

Not even a stern talking to, let alone an indictment.

Posted by: Don Q at December 03, 2019 03:08 PM (NgKpN)

272 The problem with that approach (not that it shouldn't be tried), is that even if you slap a pair of bracelets on one of those little fuckers in the hopes of rolling them up at bigger players, they'll walk to their holding cell with 99% confidence that a DC jury will let them off the hook, and then it's on to the book deals, cable news gigs, and juicy GFMs.

They'd be very, very difficult to roll.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice



When they are walking to a Leavenworth cell and the Federal trial is being held in Minot, ND in February....

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2019 03:08 PM (ZOlfu)

273 so, we've gone from some people did something, to nobody did anything. you bet your ass i trust my fucking thieving, government. horowitz should be in prison just for being a bought off incompetent asshole.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 03, 2019 03:06 PM (KP5rU)
++++++++++++
I doubt Horowitz or many others are bought off. There probably isn't enough money to buy them all off. They're doing it because they want to, or because they're afraid.

We will find out when the report drops whether Horowitz fears his deep state masters or Trump's team more.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 03, 2019 03:08 PM (I2dne)

274 I want actual heads on pikes. So no matter what the report concludes, I gather I'm going to be disappointed.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 03, 2019 03:08 PM (G1tCv)

275 so, we've gone from some people did something, to
nobody did anything. you bet your ass i trust my fucking thieving,
government. horowitz should be in prison just for being a bought off
incompetent asshole.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 03, 2019 03:06 PM (KP5rU)

Or we could wait and see what the report actually says before reacting. Cause the WaPo is not exactly what I would call truthful and reliable on any issue.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 03, 2019 03:09 PM (nAiE/)

276 270 so, we've gone from some people did something, to nobody did anything. you bet your ass i trust my fucking thieving, government. horowitz should be in prison just for being a bought off incompetent asshole.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 03, 2019 03:06 PM (KP5rU)

There is a club, think of it like a sort of country club. We are not in it. And then Rodney Trump comes along to disrupt shit. That cannot stand. Government exists to perpetuate itself, seems like.

Posted by: john knox at December 03, 2019 03:09 PM (bCLt0)

277 What could he possibly be seeking?

"@DavidAFrench 1h

As Kamala drops out and Warren fades, could we face the long-overdue realization that woke Twitter has punched above its true cultural weight for far too long?

Or is that wildly optimistic?"

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 03, 2019 03:09 PM (E7iEf)

278 265 239 If it is a whitewash, then they all need to go. Every fucking one of them. You can't have a democratic republic where there's a two-tier justice system.
Posted by: Concerned People's Front at December 03, 2019 03:02 PM (vGJY7)

One side plays for the kill.

The other is considering getting its lower ribs removed to see if it'll let them suck their own cock.
Posted by: Allie at December 03, 2019 03:05 PM (sm6Pk)

Oh, I strongly encourage this for when the Paolo is over!

Posted by: Bill "Zepplinmeister" Kristol at December 03, 2019 03:09 PM (RD7QR)

279 273; we already know.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 03, 2019 03:10 PM (KP5rU)

280
I interpreted her interview to indicate she knows what is in the report and feels she was harassed and deserves an apology. I prefer your take though.
Posted by: Easy Andy

=======

that's how I interpreted it. That hack Molly Jong described her as camera-ready and I bet she's already got an agent working on a book deal and a new CNN show -- and now, let's turn to "The Legal Page" or something cute.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 03, 2019 03:10 PM (M9ntN)

281 272 When they are walking to a Leavenworth cell and the Federal trial is being held in Minot, ND in February....
Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2019 03:08 PM (ZOlfu)

Where their deep state masters will find them anyway if they open their mouths...

Posted by: Allie at December 03, 2019 03:10 PM (sm6Pk)

282 Number of Prosecutions of Deep State Operatives: 0

Number of Prosecutions of Anyone Affiliated with Trump: Eleventy

Posted by: Two Weeks From Everywhere at December 03, 2019 03:10 PM (+dsLj)

283 I dunno, but I heard sources say that if you pre-demoralize yourself, then that means that it doesn't matter whether you actually win or lose because you've proved to everyone else how much smarter you are by guessing without any evidence.

Guessing means you're just smarter than everyone else, especially when you pretend that you're not guessing but "following history" or some such.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 03, 2019 03:10 PM (Hi8cV)

284 >>Wash Post is full of bovine excrement. The IG and the DOJ have two very separate and different focuses. The Wash Post is the desired mouthpiece of the CIA. The IG cannot address the CIA involvement or really even speak to it....but the DOJ can. They are, quite simply, trying to present that the IG report and the DOJ investigation are one in the same...they are not....emphatically, they are not. If they can do so, they then apply the label "Politically motivated" to any indictments the DOJ hands down using a very and narrow and specific IG mandate. This is the media enabling the CIA to obfuscate...that is all....carry on .

There. Was that so hard?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2019 03:10 PM (ZLI7S)

285 South Dakota already has the Corn Palace in Mitchell. Congress could meet there.

Posted by: free tibet at December 03, 2019 03:10 PM (9DetG)

286 277 What could he possibly be seeking?

"@DavidAFrench 1h

As Kamala drops out and Warren fades, could we face the long-overdue realization that woke Twitter has punched above its true cultural weight for far too long?

Or is that wildly optimistic?"
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 03, 2019 03:09 PM (E7iEf)

==========

That'll be an interesting lesson after 2+ years of the Activist Left thinking they rule the Democratic Party through their tweets.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at December 03, 2019 03:10 PM (q80AH)

287 Something about expecting different results...

Posted by: Albert E at December 03, 2019 03:10 PM (Pzzpr)

288 242 "Jessica" Yaniv is back again. This time he's upset that a gynecologist doesn't want to examine his dick and balls.

The Blaze story here:
https://tinyurl.com/tegpzzu
Posted by: E. Jean at December 03, 2019 03:02 PM (ZGrMX)

I'd give 'em an examination - with a 2 x 4!!!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 03, 2019 03:11 PM (Kpl3J)

289 Neither Graham nor Trump would be hyping the release of the report if it said the FBI did nothing wrong (an assertion that is patently ridiculous given what we know about the "evidence" they used to get FISA warrants).
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 03, 2019 03:00 PM (nAiE/)


I am now thinking that some people do not believe that Trump, Graham, and McConnell communicate with each other about messaging, timing, when to hold hearings, what is going to be said, and so on.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for All Your Festival of Gloom Decorations! at December 03, 2019 03:11 PM (hLRSq)

290 259 >>249
Three Four Five greatest lies:

1. I won't cum in your mouth

2. Government officials will be held accountable

3. The report will be released in two weeks

Posted by: Regular joe

4. Just the tip

Posted by: Galil

5. C'mon trust me, I won't show the video to anyone.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at December 03, 2019 03:11 PM (a3tan)

291 Who flips first?

Posted by: Jean at December 03, 2019 03:11 PM (cA12H)

292 I doubt Horowitz or many others are bought off. There probably isn't enough money to buy them all off. They're doing it because they want to, or because they're afraid.

We will find out when the report drops whether Horowitz fears his deep state masters or Trump's team more.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 03, 2019 03:08 PM (I2dne)

I think its because they are convinced that actually cleaning out the stables and letting us see what is going on, would damage the institutions they work for.

Not understanding that OUTSIDE the DC Bubble, they are doing more damage because we are not seeing them clean the stable.

Posted by: Don Q at December 03, 2019 03:12 PM (NgKpN)

293 I honestly did not know the US had so many serial killers.

That's always the drawback of a show like that. Its like the British TV shows about a small-town detective. How many murders is Mangletooth, Cornwall really likely to have with a population of 746? But after 5 seasons and at least one per episode it gets ridiculous.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2019 03:12 PM (KZzsI)

294 Hey- want to investigate a sitting president, FBI? I saw him jaywalk once.

Well, actually I didn't see him jaywalk. A foreign national told me he did.

Proof? No I don't have any proof. But give me a warrant and a few partisan Democrats in the justice system and I'll manage to manufacture some. I'll even throw in an"insurance policy" at no extra charge. I'm good like that.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 03, 2019 03:12 PM (G1tCv)

295 @DavidAFrench 1h

As Kamala drops out and Warren fades, could we face the long-overdue realization that woke Twitter has punched above its true cultural weight for far too long?

Or is that wildly optimistic?"
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 03, 2019 03:09 PM (E7iEf)
+++++++++++++++++
Uh, David? Look in a mirror, buddy. You're part of it. You have just as much to fear as these guys when people realize that the emperor has no clothes.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 03, 2019 03:12 PM (I2dne)

296 Or we could wait and see what the report actually says before reacting. Cause the WaPo is not exactly what I would call truthful and reliable on any issue.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 03, 2019 03:09 PM (nAiE/)

But...but...that would mean giving up a golden opportunity to act like a supercilious ass!

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 03, 2019 03:13 PM (Hi8cV)

297 293 I honestly did not know the US had so many serial killers.

That's always the drawback of a show like that. Its like the British TV shows about a small-town detective. How many murders is Mangletooth, Cornwall really likely to have with a population of 746? But after 5 seasons and at least one per episode it gets ridiculous.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2019 03:12 PM (KZzsI)


Yeah, like the Dead Sailor body count on NCIS. Drop like flies, they do.

Posted by: john knox at December 03, 2019 03:13 PM (bCLt0)

298 290 259 >>249
Three Four Five greatest lies:

1. I won't cum in your mouth

2. Government officials will be held accountable

3. The report will be released in two weeks

Posted by: Regular joe

4. Just the tip

Posted by: Galil

5. C'mon trust me, I won't show the video to anyone.
Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at December 03, 2019 03:11 PM (a3tan)

6. You'll like her. She's nice.

Posted by: Roy at December 03, 2019 03:13 PM (+imMG)

299 I interpreted her interview to indicate she knows what is in the report and feels she was harassed and deserves an apology

I see it more as a "I gotta get in front of this now!!" because what we already know is packed with ethical and precedural violations that should get you fired.

The whole "I did NOTHING WRONG" thing falls on its face with the entire adultery aspect.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2019 03:13 PM (KZzsI)

300 >>@DavidAFrench 1h



As Kamala drops out and Warren fades, could we face the long-overdue
realization that woke Twitter has punched above its true cultural
weight for far too long?Or is that wildly optimistic?"

- - -

Aw, feeling like all his twitter-blather is not reaching its intended audience?IIRC, only 15% of the country is active on twitter.

Spoiler alert, David: You are only tweeting to like-minded cucks and Lefties inside a bubble.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2019 03:13 PM (bDqIh)

301 Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2019 03:10 PM (ZLI7S)

So if the IG report exonerates the FBI and the FISA procedure do you think it has any effect on the Durham investigation?

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 03, 2019 03:14 PM (ZLlh9)

302 I interpreted her interview to indicate she knows what is in the report and feels she was harassed and deserves an apology. I prefer your take though.
Posted by: Easy Andy

I think she was played like an asset by Stroke

Posted by: Jean at December 03, 2019 03:14 PM (cA12H)

303 278 265 239 If it is a whitewash, then they all need to go. Every fucking one of them. You can't have a democratic republic where there's a two-tier justice system.
Posted by: Concerned People's Front

One side plays for the kill.

The other is considering getting its lower ribs removed to see if it'll let them suck their own cock.
Posted by: Allie

Oh, I strongly encourage this for when the Paolo is over!

Posted by: Bill "Zepplinmeister" Kristol
-----------
Why do dogs lick their balls?

Because they can that's why...

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at December 03, 2019 03:14 PM (a3tan)

304 Horowitz was not tasked to answer the alleged question the WaPo created out of thin air. Horowitz will have taken no position. Barr will take an opposite position, along with Durham.

Wham-o! Presto!

Barr disagrees with Horowitz.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at December 03, 2019 03:14 PM (hRsfu)

305 the white hats are forming a posse ... they will wide to our rescue soon ... in about two weeks.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 03, 2019 03:14 PM (Cus5s)

306 286 That'll be an interesting lesson after 2+ years of the Activist Left thinking they rule the Democratic Party through their tweets.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at December 03, 2019 03:10 PM (q80AH)

Probably why Chunk Uygur is running for the House now.

Realizing that Twitter alone ain't doing it.

Posted by: Allie at December 03, 2019 03:14 PM (sm6Pk)

307 How many murders is Mangletooth, Cornwall really likely to have with a population of 746? But after 5 seasons and at least one per episode it gets ridiculous.

************

That reminds me of Midsomer Murders. In the ass end of nowhere yet with 20+ seasons literally more people have been murdered than the town's population.

On top of that if someone was getting hacked every day literally in a town you were living in how long would you stay?

Posted by: Two Weeks From Everywhere at December 03, 2019 03:15 PM (+dsLj)

308 "I've been wondering if this narrative hasn't been put out there to negate Barr. In other words, there are no sources, just a general guess that they can find enough in the long Horowitz report to obfuscate anything damaging.

They tried to do that with the Mueller report."

With the Mueller report, Barr released his 'executive summary' first and stopped the Democrats and the media from setting the narrative. They won't let that happen again. They know that almost nobody in America will actually read the report, so they can tell them it says whatever they want it to say.

Posted by: Paul at December 03, 2019 03:15 PM (PMxE5)

309 Re that Breitbart article linked @135 - here is something I commented on November 1:

Abuse of power is likely the wording they will use.

The bill of impeachment is determined by the committee. They create the bill and vote it out to the House, which then passes - or doesn't - a resolution that adopts the bill, and that is impeachment.

In this case, the resolution assigns the investigation of the President to the House Intel Committee - Schiff's joint. Then the results of that investigation are to be turned over to Judiciary - Nadler's committee.

Judiciary will craft the bill of impeachment and vote it out to the House. The House votes on each article.

So likely what will happen is that they will have various and sundry things in the bill that the "moderates" can vote against and leave behind the abuse of power count over demanding that a foreign power dig up dirt on a political opponent (leave aside that this isn't what happened, and Biden is running against Trump in his dreams, but they are nothing if not loyal to their lies). The moderates will say that they aren't voting for crazy and divisive things but that they are really, really concerned about the national security of the United States and we can't let him get away with using military aid to one of our bestest allies to meddle in our democracy no sir not on my watch!

All they need is one count to survive, and its an impeachment

Posted by: blaster at November 01, 2019 08:12 PM (ZfRYq)

Posted by: blaster at December 03, 2019 03:15 PM (9VeU0)

310 306 That'll be an interesting lesson after 2+ years of the Activist Left thinking they rule the Democratic Party through their tweets.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at December 03, 2019 03:10 PM (q80AH)

Probably why Chunk Uygur is running for the House now.

Realizing that Twitter alone ain't doing it.
Posted by: Allie at December 03, 2019 03:14 PM (sm6Pk)

==========

Just wait until he realizes how useless an individual member of the House is.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at December 03, 2019 03:15 PM (q80AH)

311
290 259 >>249

Three Four Five greatest lies:



1. I won't cum in your mouth



2. Government officials will be held accountable



3. The report will be released in two weeks



Posted by: Regular joe



4. Just the tip



Posted by: Galil



5. C'mon trust me, I won't show the video to anyone.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at December 03, 2019 03:11 PM (a3tan)



6. You'll like her. She's nice.

Posted by: Roy at December 03, 2019 03:13 PM (+imMG)

7. It's only got a little bit of Spam in it.

Posted by: County de Monet at December 03, 2019 03:15 PM (q1Pj5)

312 Also, Lisa Page is being way to hysterical about not
having committed criminal acts for her not having a coming accusation
that she is trying to get ahead of.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 03, 2019 03:02 PM (nAiE/)



I interpreted her interview to indicate she knows what is in the
report and feels she was harassed and deserves an apology. I prefer
your take though.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 03, 2019 03:05 PM (ZLlh9)

If that were what she was doing, it would make more sense to do it after the report is released so she could point to the actual finding that she did nothing wrong. I could be wrong, but Graham, Trump and Durham are acting way to sure and the left is spinning way to fast and furious for this report to truly exonerate the FBI.


Also, the Flynn case has been delayed once again specifically because of this report. If it was anticipated to be a nothingburger, I don't think that would have happened.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 03, 2019 03:15 PM (nAiE/)

313 There is a HUGE story about all the things Epstein was into, if only someone would put all the pieces together and report it.
***

A number of years ago they arrested some pedophile in Belgium who oddly for just being a normal guy had a bunch of houses and plenty of money with basically no working history. They arrested him once, gave him a slap on the wrist and let him out again.

After he got out he moved on to murdering and raping kids. And eventually he got caught.


When arrested this second time he claimed he was part of a network including a bunch of European elites.


And then a bunch of witnesses and investigators started dying. And they convicted Dutroux, and one of his buddies and all congratulated each other on solving the case.


The European police have shown no interest in assessing if there are any truth to his claims or how he got so much money...


Posted by: 18-1 at December 03, 2019 03:15 PM (WdocV)

314 Yeah, there's some serious weirdness there, considering its proximity to other things, his partial ownership of an underground bunker building company, that he annually got a permit to dig on his property for some reason or another, and the connection to all of the AI/MIT/transhumanist stuff.

There is a HUGE story about all the things Epstein was into, if only someone would put all the pieces together and report it.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2019 03:06 PM (bDqIh)
===

I think Alex Jones was right. Our ruling class is mostly comprised of pedophiles. Let that sink in.

Posted by: Augustine at December 03, 2019 03:16 PM (BDZWU)

315 That reminds me of Midsomer Murders. In the ass end of nowhere yet with 20+ seasons literally more people have been murdered than the town's population

Yeah, that's exactly the kind of show I had in mind. Entertaining but even one year's worth of episodes defies credulity.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2019 03:16 PM (KZzsI)

316 Three Four Five greatest lies:



1. ...


5. C'mon trust me, I won't show the video to anyone.

[6] No, honey, that doesn't make your ass look big.

Posted by: pep at December 03, 2019 03:17 PM (T6t7i)

317 they can tell them it says whatever they want it to say.
Posted by: Paul

Except Trump's tweets will be epic

Posted by: Jean at December 03, 2019 03:17 PM (cA12H)

318 >>I think she was played like an asset by Stroke

Didn't she initiate the Flynn 302 edit that framed him???

It's possible, likely even, that Page AND Strzok are criminals who thought they could take out an elected president with their deep state shenanigans.

Also, there's the rumor she was sleeping with a 2nd FBI guy in addition to Strzok. That sounds more like the activity of someone who is doing the manipulating, not being played.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2019 03:17 PM (bDqIh)

319 That'll be an interesting lesson after 2+ years of the Activist Left thinking they rule the Democratic Party through their tweets.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at December 03, 2019 03:10 PM (q80AH)

They do. As much as we might like to think, there is no Sister Soulja moment coming here. They are merely the vocal stylings of the mass lefty subconscious.

Who is the only one of these candidates to push back against any leftist narrative? Tulsi? About one small thing? Who was then immediately pilloried and even had the previous candidate for president coming out and calling her a Russian agent?!? (Just stop for a moment and think about how insane that is.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 03, 2019 03:17 PM (ycWCI)

320
OT: in high-larious climate emergency news

Russian pranksters tag a polar bear with graffiti, spray painting "T-34" on the vicious, snarling ursine.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50643315

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 03, 2019 03:18 PM (kw0bd)

321 heh, in my more conspiratorial flights of fancy, I wonder whether or not someone like Soros wouldn't spread around about a couple hundred dollars a week or so to have a few guys regularly spread demoralization on popular conservative-leaning sites.

I mean, really, look at those Antifa dregs...couldn't you see recruiting about 3-4 of them at like $5-10 dollars a week to stir the pot? Hell, they'd probably do it for free.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 03, 2019 03:18 PM (Hi8cV)

322 Yeah, that's exactly the kind of show I had in mind. Entertaining but even one year's worth of episodes defies credulity.

*******************

Now it were set in London where every murder was a stabbing then that's really going for realism.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Everywhere at December 03, 2019 03:18 PM (+dsLj)

323 I think its because they are convinced that actually
cleaning out the stables ... Don Q


Or because the turds are further implicating themselves as they're being shoveled.

Posted by: DaveA at December 03, 2019 03:19 PM (FhXTo)

324 All they need is one count to survive, and its an impeachment

Posted by: blaster at November 01, 2019 08:12 PM (ZfRYq)

I don't doubt that the House Dems could decide to do that. Their problems with it are that it's a very vague charge, not a specific statutory charge, and next that they haven't even come close to proving the vague charge. You don't win over the country with nonsense like that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 03, 2019 03:19 PM (Kpl3J)

325
@paulsperry_

BREAKING: As part of his "impeachment inquiry," Schiff investigated not just President Trump but his own committee vice chairman GOP Rep. Devin Nunes and Nunes' committee aide Derek Harvey, and even obtained Nunes' and Harvey's phone call records

Posted by: Ha at December 03, 2019 03:20 PM (6A9Kg)

326 >>So if the IG report exonerates the FBI and the FISA procedure do you think it has any effect on the Durham investigation?

Oh, when did you read the report? I hadn't realized anyone had been exonerated. Why do hypotheticals when NOBODY, not even Devlin Barrett, actually knows what the report says?

I thought this was all in reaction to a report by one of the coup plotters favorite narrative engineers that people say they hate and would never believe and have now been freaking out about for going on 20 hours.

As was said above nicely by Orson, the IG and the DOJ have two very different investigations scopes and powers. Horowitz is looking at FISA abuse and NOT at the predicate for starting the investigation. He has no powers to subpoena or indict and can't look outside the DOJ.

What if, as most people think, the person who started this investigation and force fed it to the DOJ was John Brennan? How would Horowitz know? But Barr would know. Maybe we should read it for ourselves instead of relying on the very people who have been lying to us about Trump colluding with Russia for the last 3 frigging years.

The report will be out in 6 days. I expect almost nobody will read it but there will be a few and we will know what is in there. I can wait.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2019 03:20 PM (ZLI7S)

327 I have a question.
Is Barr slapping down the WashPost's story? Or is he slapping down Horowitz's conclusions in his upcoming report?

Posted by: JoeF. at December 03, 2019 03:20 PM (CqE5x)

328 277 What could he possibly be seeking?

"@DavidAFrench 1h

As Kamala drops out and Warren fades, could we face the long-overdue realization that woke Twitter has punched above its true cultural weight for far too long?

Or is that wildly optimistic?"
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 03, 2019 03:09 PM (E7iEf)



look how the asshole worded it. it's woke Twitter that's fucked up, not Never Trump Twitter, or just fucking Twitter.

Posted by: x at December 03, 2019 03:20 PM (nFwvY)

329 Since when did the IG acquire plenary and non-reviewable authority? Isn't a whitewash all the more reason to take this to court? The FBI has consistently shown it will run amock and cannot police itself.
I'm not really up on all the scuttleass and rumor-mongoring, so is it possible that Horowitz is setting the CIA up by portraying the FBI as its patsy?

Posted by: SFGoth at December 03, 2019 03:20 PM (KAi1n)

330 There have been over 2500 serial killers in the US and I think the FBI has stated that there are always 25 or more serial killers in operation at any one time.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 03, 2019 03:20 PM (ZLlh9)

331 3. The report will be released in two weeks
Posted by: Regular joe at December 03, 2019 03:03 PM (6/uwW)

So...when it's released next week, is it still a great lie?

Also, will you eat any crow?

...not holding my breath.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 03, 2019 03:20 PM (Hi8cV)

332 I doubt Horowitz or many others are bought off. There probably isn't enough money to buy them all off.
***

I don't know either way about Horowitz, but to be clear the Deep State has plenty of ways to insure compliance.


Notice how most of the people playing nice with them end up with a nice no show job? For an example of something similar - when Monica Lewinsky decided to play ball with the Clinton anti-impeachment effort they got her a swanky job at some cosmetics company. All more or less legal....

The Deep State is very, very good at making people offer's they can't refuse.


Posted by: 18-1 at December 03, 2019 03:20 PM (WdocV)

333 If that were what she was doing, it would make more
sense to do it after the report is released so she could point to the
actual finding that she did nothing wrong. I could be wrong, but Graham,
Trump and Durham are acting way to sure and the left is spinning way to
fast and furious for this report to truly exonerate the FBI.


Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 03, 2019 03:15 PM (nAiE/)

The ICIG report is investigating policies in procedures in the spying that was known to be done. As I understand, Barr and Durham are investigating whether any predicate existed or whether the cause for spying had any actual evidentiary basis, other than deep state plants and DNC paid-for and concocted evidence.

Two different things.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 03, 2019 03:21 PM (1CjJc)

334 324 All they need is one count to survive, and its an impeachment

Posted by: blaster at November 01, 2019 08:12 PM (ZfRYq)

I don't doubt that the House Dems could decide to do that. Their problems with it are that it's a very vague charge, not a specific statutory charge, and next that they haven't even come close to proving the vague charge. You don't win over the country with nonsense like that.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 03, 2019 03:19 PM (Kpl3J)

It's not about winning over the country. They are willing to lose seats over this like they did with Obamacare. They know they will be back in a cycle or two. This is about making it inconceivable for somebody like Trump to rise again. He MUST be punished for being an outsider.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 03, 2019 03:21 PM (RD7QR)

335 How many murders is Mangletooth, Cornwall

I wouldn't go to Father Brown's mass without a security detail.

Posted by: DaveA at December 03, 2019 03:21 PM (FhXTo)

336 The thing I hate about the statement "their side plays for keeps" is it implies there are two sides.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 03, 2019 03:22 PM (RzJMF)

337 meanwhile, Schiff released a 300 page impeachment inquiry report today. see it can be done fast.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 03, 2019 03:22 PM (FEQY4)

338 How would Horowitz know? But Barr would know.

I am having a hard time with this formulation - Barr knows stuff that Horowitz doesn't.

Seriously? How long has Horowitz been at this?

Posted by: blaster at December 03, 2019 03:23 PM (9VeU0)

339 All they need is one count to survive, and its an impeachment



Posted by: blaster at November 01, 2019 08:12 PM (ZfRYq)

Which allows Trump to tear them several new assholes when he calls witnesses in the trial. They were stupid for starting this fight and they are stupid for continuing it. They have made an ass of the law and the Constitution by trivializing it in this manner for no gain at all. Trump will not be convicted.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 03, 2019 03:23 PM (nAiE/)

340 But...but...that would mean giving up a golden opportunity to act like a supercilious ass!

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 03, 2019 03:13 PM (Hi8cV)


Don't worry, there are plenty of opportunities out there!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet for All Your Festival of Gloom Decorations! at December 03, 2019 03:23 PM (hLRSq)

341
meanwhile, Schiff released a 300 page impeachment inquiry report today. see it can be done fast.
Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 03, 2019 03:22 PM (FEQY4)







When you have your staff finger-fuck the report by inserting a bunch of bullshit without lube, it practically writes itself.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 03, 2019 03:24 PM (kw0bd)

342 look how the asshole worded it. it's woke Twitter that's fucked up, not Never Trump Twitter, or just fucking Twitter.

Posted by: x at December 03, 2019 03:20 PM (nFwvY)

And he worded it like a douche. In 2016 America said we are not into you to the SJW, and people taking their victory laps after they thought they had won the culture wars, indefinitely. They have been acting like crazy scorned exs ever since.

There is no awakening from crazy scorned ex.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 03, 2019 03:24 PM (1CjJc)

343 I guess Horowitz is protecting the duel citizens and foreign interests who make up the Deep State. Imagine my surprise on the identity politics being played here.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 03, 2019 03:24 PM (ngSZO)

344 All I can say is that in the end, there better be a group of high level people going to prison.

If not, I'll be among the thousands headed to Washington looking for answers.

Posted by: jwest at December 03, 2019 03:24 PM (U6f/q)

345 Wow! Smell all that burnt hair.We'll be here when you want us! Don't be a stranger!

Posted by: Lace Wig Emporium at December 03, 2019 03:25 PM (vqIkG)

346 One thing I learned from this is that any show that doesn't depict the FBI as anything other than a dysfunctional criminal enterprise of brain damaged keystone cops was clearly set in a parallel universe.

Posted by: Two Weeks From Everywhere at December 03, 2019 03:25 PM (+dsLj)

347 The idea that the Deep State is going to find itself guilty is kinda silly.

Posted by: Max Power at December 03, 2019 03:25 PM (q177U)

348 I am having a hard time with this formulation - Barr knows stuff that Horowitz doesn't.



Seriously? How long has Horowitz been at this?

Posted by: blaster at December 03, 2019 03:23 PM (9VeU0)

Horowitz has been investigating one specific thing. That thing is rather broad but it is still limited. Barr is under no such restriction.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 03, 2019 03:25 PM (nAiE/)

349 337: that was written before he started his dog and pony show.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 03, 2019 03:25 PM (KP5rU)

350 I mean, really, look at those Antifa dregs...couldn't you see recruiting about 3-4 of them at like $5-10 dollars a week to stir the pot? Hell, they'd probably do it for free.

Thats the only flaw in your theory: why pay em? I have zero doubt that there is an effort to stir up the crazies to spread dissention and trouble on websites. We see it here every once in a while, some new nick shows up saying something like:

"I think we all can agree that this is the fault of the dirt people who should be sent to Africa, can I get an amen???"

Upon which everyone spits on them and they get banned, their post deleted, and nobody even remembers them after a few minutes.

They show up expecting this chorus of agreement because SECRETLY we all hates the non-whites and are all southern bigots, surely!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2019 03:25 PM (KZzsI)

351 Two different things.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 03, 2019 03:21 PM (1CjJc)
+++++++++++++
Yes, but they are related to each other:
ICIG: "Did you ask for this stuff correctly and in line with established procedures?"
Barr/Durham (supposedly): "Was is correct to ask for this stuff at all, regardless of whether procedures were followed?"

If the predicate was bullshit, it doesn't matter if the I's were dotted and the T's crossed.

It will still be interesting to read, though, because the FISA system was abused and people signed off on information that they almost certainly knew to be false. That is all pretty well known and out there thanks to some crack work by a small number of very good journalists and investigators.

We know it. It's out there. So the report will be useful to determine how much they're dedicated to a coverup or how much ground they're willing to lose to make it go away.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 03, 2019 03:26 PM (I2dne)

352 meanwhile, Schiff released a 300 page impeachment inquiry report today. see it can be done fast.


Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 03, 2019 03:22 PM

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He had that ready to go two months ago.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 03, 2019 03:26 PM (JUOKG)

353 Anyone else seen The Mandalorian?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Disney evil. Star Wars bad, etc etc.

But the Mandalorian is the most entertaining piece of Star Wars media I've seen in quite a while. They're hitting pretty much all the tropes I hoped to see in a series like this.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 03, 2019 03:27 PM (KUaJL)

354
We know it. It's out there. So the report will
be useful to determine how much they're dedicated to a coverup or how
much ground they're willing to lose to make it go away.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 03, 2019 03:26 PM (I2dne)

Horowitz: Not my purview.

Barr: All your purview are belong to us.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 03, 2019 03:27 PM (1CjJc)

355 It's not about winning over the country. They are
willing to lose seats over this like they did with Obamacare. They know
they will be back in a cycle or two. This is about making it
inconceivable for somebody like Trump to rise again. He MUST be punished
for being an outsider.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 03, 2019 03:21 PM (RD7QR)

Except they are not really punishing him. He seems to thrive on this.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 03, 2019 03:27 PM (nAiE/)

356 337 meanwhile, Schiff released a 300 page impeachment inquiry report today. see it can be done fast.
Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 03, 2019 03:22 PM (FEQY4)
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I did a real fast cursory look at the report. For all of Schiffs' charges about abuse of power and quid pro quo, you'd think they would include the "smoking gun", a copy of the phone call transcript that started this whole thing.

Nope.

Posted by: WisRich at December 03, 2019 03:27 PM (G0vdT)

357 352 meanwhile, Schiff released a 300 page impeachment inquiry report today. see it can be done fast.


Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 03, 2019 03:22 PM

---

He had that ready to go two months ago.

=====

can't wait to put that guy under oath. Either way, he's getting a swat raid for lying.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 03, 2019 03:28 PM (FEQY4)

358 can't wait to put that guy under oath. Either way, he's getting a swat raid for lying.
Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 03, 2019 03:28 PM (FEQY4)
++++++++++++
No, he'll lie and then nothing will come of it because it would be undemocratic to prosecute a representative just because he lied for good reasons.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 03, 2019 03:29 PM (I2dne)

359 MSDNC and CNN are sure the walls have finally closed in on PDT, who "put his own personal interests ahead of the country's."

They're as excited as kids on Christmas morning.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 03, 2019 03:29 PM (ptqGC)

360 Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 03, 2019 03:20 PM (Hi8cV)

Nobody ate crow with Horowitz last report.

Posted by: Easy Andy at December 03, 2019 03:29 PM (ZLlh9)

361 I did a real fast cursory look at the report.
For all of Schiffs' charges about abuse of power and quid pro quo, you'd
think they would include the "smoking gun", a copy of the phone call
transcript that started this whole thing.



Nope.

Posted by: WisRich at December 03, 2019 03:27 PM (G0vdT)

Not one mention of bribery (except quote of U.S. Constitution), which was supposedly a foregone conclusion and super easy to prove.

So Trump obstructed what? A BS hoax fishing expedition.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 03, 2019 03:30 PM (1CjJc)

362 Okay, so if the investigation was properly predicated, why did the DoJ/FBI not give a defensive briefing to Trump the way W's DoJ gave McCain a defensive briefing in 2007 when Glenn Simpson and his cabal tried this very same Russia gambit?

Oh, that's right, because Obama was Prez and this was a set-up.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 03, 2019 03:30 PM (fp3O8)

363 >>I am having a hard time with this formulation - Barr knows stuff that Horowitz doesn't.

>>Seriously? How long has Horowitz been at this?

I'm really struggling on how I can be more clear about this.

The Inspector General of the Department of Justice can only look at things within the Department of Justice. He can only interview CURRENT DOJ employees. He can't talk with retired or fired employees unless they agree. He can't look at the CIA, State Department, IRS or any other agency in the federal government.

He can only look at the DOJ and only in a limited fashion. Period.

The Attorney General of the United States and his appointed federal prosecutor, in this case John Durham, can look at everything and everyone. He can subpoena anyone. He can even talk to foreign officials in places like Italy, the UK, Australia and other places which Durham has been doing.

Horowitz = Security Monitor

Barr/Durham = Armed Security Guard.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2019 03:30 PM (ZLI7S)

364 Anyone else seen The Mandalorian?
--
Yeah, I'll keep watching. Little stories like Firefly - or the old serials that Star Wars copied.Some cutsy pieces. Did not recognize Nick Nolte, tho his eyes looked familiar.

Posted by: FrodoB,
hobbits don't wear socks at December 03, 2019 03:30 PM (BQAo9)

365
He had that ready to go two months ago.

=====

can't wait to put that guy under oath. Either way, he's getting a swat raid for lying.
Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 03, 2019 03:28 PM (FEQY4)
-----------

There is no way Schiff is going to testify. Which is fine. The R's will make hay out of it and make him look like a putz.

Posted by: WisRich at December 03, 2019 03:30 PM (G0vdT)

366 I did a real fast cursory look at the report. For all of Schiffs' charges about abuse of power and quid pro quo, you'd think they would include the "smoking gun", a copy of the phone call transcript that started this whole thing.

Nope.
==============

I bet, here's the thing that gets me. Schiff has untouchable House immunity for lying but doesn't trump have POTUS immunity for foreign policy?

schiff's report is probably beyond incoherent, with garbage like "purely personal political gain" and more lies from there.

trump needs to fight.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 03, 2019 03:30 PM (FEQY4)

367
There is no way Schiff is going to testify. Which is fine. The R's will make hay out of it and make him look like a putz.

===

just have an FBI agent ask him a question, instant perjury

Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 03, 2019 03:30 PM (FEQY4)

368 So Deep State investigates itself and concludes it did nothing wrong.

Quelle surprise.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 03, 2019 03:31 PM (k4dH2)

369 No, he'll lie and then nothing will come of it
because it would be undemocratic to prosecute a representative just
because he lied for good reasons.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 03, 2019 03:29 PM (I2dne)

He has already been warned he is getting called as a witness if this goes over to the Senate. He can lie and he can lie with no legal consequences because of the Constitution. But he cannot lie without being called a liar to his face (and I hope very bluntly).

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 03, 2019 03:31 PM (nAiE/)

370 The Mandalorian looks like a Star Wars version of Lone Wolf and Cub, which is a pretty decent premise. Its not remotely enough to make me want to pay for and sign up to Disney + but it looks entertaining.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2019 03:31 PM (KZzsI)

371 Too bad we don't have the Executive Branch and could control the DOJ.

Posted by: Blago at December 03, 2019 03:32 PM (sjTfF)

372 69 No, he'll lie and then nothing will come of it
because it would be undemocratic to prosecute a representative just because he lied for good reason

===

trump should dare him to say things off the house floor where he can be sued.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 03, 2019 03:32 PM (FEQY4)

373 He has already been warned he is getting called as a witness if this goes over to the Senate. He can lie and he can lie with no legal consequences because of the Constitution. But he cannot lie without being called a liar to his face (and I hope very bluntly).
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 03, 2019 03:31 PM (nAiE/)
++++++++++++++++++
Only if Graham has found his big-boy pants again, like he did during Kavanaugh's confirmation hearings.

They are all way too cordial to each other. Congress needs a lot more feuds and mutual hate.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 03, 2019 03:33 PM (I2dne)

374 So far all The IGs, most of whom are Fredo appoinntees if I am not mistaken, have supported the deep state for the most part. Shocking LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2019 03:33 PM (cEsBM)

375 371 Too bad we don't have the Executive Branch and could control the DOJ.

===

see...trump is abusing his office but Schiff is within his unquestionable House immunity and just doing his job.

Posted by: mushroom maniac at December 03, 2019 03:33 PM (FEQY4)

376 317 Nah, then they'll just go to the 'desperate to change the story from his impeachable corruption and abuse of power in Ukraine, Trump tweets debunked FBI corruption conspiracy theories'

Their audience will never know the difference, and half of them already want to believe it anyways.

Posted by: Paul at December 03, 2019 03:34 PM (PMxE5)

377 Ben Cline (R-VA) is smiling and saying the 300 page report "is a sham." He seems genuinely amused.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 03, 2019 03:34 PM (ptqGC)

378 "I think Alex Jones was right. Our ruling class is mostly comprised of pedophiles. Let that sink in.

Posted by: Augustine at December 03, 2019 03:16 PM (BDZWU) "




Stanley Kubrick thought so, too.

And I gotta say I am getting more convinced of it myself every day.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at December 03, 2019 03:34 PM (JwHjN)

379 Too bad we don't have the Executive Branch and could control the DOJ

Yeah if there was just some authority, some chief executive who could, with his constitutional authority and power, direct the people who work under and for him to act. Imagine what that would be like?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2019 03:34 PM (KZzsI)

380 Jackstraw.

Your input on these threads is invaluable.

Please keep it coming.

I get pissed at the resident sadists for fear their incessant pissing, moaning and arguing will deter you from keeping us informed.

This blog was once amazing...

After this is all over, I think I'm done here.

Good job eyores.

Posted by: Getcha Pull at December 03, 2019 03:35 PM (NxIci)

381 353 Anyone else seen The Mandalorian?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Disney evil. Star Wars bad, etc etc.

But the Mandalorian is the most entertaining piece of Star Wars media I've seen in quite a while. They're hitting pretty much all the tropes I hoped to see in a series like this.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 03, 2019 03:27 PM (KUaJL)

===========

The first three episodes could essentially be a single film, and then the fourth is a 30 minute remake of Seven Samurai.

It's a poster child for why I prefer movies over television.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at December 03, 2019 03:35 PM (q80AH)

382 The good news is that my confidential un-named sources inside the office tell me that IG Horowitz is recommending that very harsh measures be taken against a rogue GS-1 mail room clerk in the Illinois FBI office that was found to have attempted to send official FBI mail without affixing the proper postage!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at December 03, 2019 03:35 PM (BiNEL)

383 If recent history can be taken as a lesson, the deep state will be exonerated.
But it matters not, we'll all know next week.
I will say if it does say or can be inferred that it was ok to spy on political campaigns, Trump should say ok, I'm wire-tapping every dem.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 03, 2019 03:35 PM (r+sAi)

384 After this is all over, I think I'm done here.

Door's right there, Flouncey VonFlouncerton

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2019 03:36 PM (KZzsI)

385 After this is all over, I think I'm done here.



Good job eyores.

Posted by: Getcha Pull at December 03, 2019 03:35 PM (NxIci)

I hear Drudge is hurting for readers.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 03, 2019 03:36 PM (1CjJc)

386 After this is all over, I think I'm done here.

Good job eyores.
Posted by: Getcha Pull at December 03, 2019 03:35 PM (NxIci)


He'll be missed.

Posted by: blaster at December 03, 2019 03:36 PM (9VeU0)

387 Adam Schiff looks exactly like you'd expect a pedophile to look. Creepy, bug-eyed f***wit.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 03, 2019 03:36 PM (ptqGC)

388 Well if Horowitz doesn't want a clean DOJ/FBI/CIA with respect to elections then Game On Motherfuckers.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 03, 2019 03:36 PM (yRAFu)

389 352 Yep, just like the signs that were preprinted with 'Say No To "

Posted by: Paul at December 03, 2019 03:37 PM (PMxE5)

390 Better yet.

WSJ: Democrats Impeachment Report conclude that Trump abuses his Office for Political gain by Pressuring Ukraine to announce Probes that could benefit him"

Can't. Stop. Laughing. Help. Me.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 03, 2019 03:37 PM (G1tCv)

391 @371

As we have seen over the course of the last three years, Republican Presidents control very little of the Executive branch apparatus, Republican outsiders like Trump are lucky they can get a secretary to fetch them a cup of coffee let alone get the DOJ to a G-d damned thing.

Posted by: Huxley's Eyeglass Emporium at December 03, 2019 03:37 PM (YSMRn)

392 Too bad we don't have the Executive Branch and could control the DOJ--
Isn't that what this is all about - to keep Trump from exercising his authority? He tried to work with some people rather than scrapping everything and that gave the deep state time to get this set up.

Posted by: FrodoB,
hobbits don't wear socks at December 03, 2019 03:37 PM (BQAo9)

393
The first three episodes could essentially be a single film, and then the fourth is a 30 minute remake of Seven Samurai.

It's a poster child for why I prefer movies over television.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at December 03, 2019 03:35 PM (q80AH)


Every word of what you've said is true, except I'm still enjoying it immensely.

I've really started to notice recently how much I appreciate when a show or movie just lets you have silence. The Mandalorian does a lot with long stretches of time without dialogue, and I think it helps the mood of the show immensely.


Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 03, 2019 03:37 PM (KUaJL)

394 Here's a surprise - sooper conservative Meghan McCain endorses Biden!

Posted by: blaster at December 03, 2019 03:38 PM (9VeU0)

395 They are all way too cordial to each other. Congress needs a lot more feuds and mutual hate.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 03, 2019 03:33 PM (I2dne)


There only real difference between Democrats and Republicans is that the "party" names are spelt differently!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at December 03, 2019 03:39 PM (BiNEL)

396 Nood

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2019 03:39 PM (ZOlfu)

397 Treason is treason. And we have G-Mo open for new customers. Let's get this fucker rolling.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 03, 2019 03:39 PM (yRAFu)

398 394
Here's a surprise - sooper conservative Meghan McCain endorses Biden!

Posted by: blaster at December 03, 2019 03:38 PM (9VeU0)

She's probably just desperate for attention, and he's an unrepentant groper.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 03, 2019 03:39 PM (1CjJc)

399 Horowitz = Security Monitor

Barr/Durham = Armed Security Guard.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2019 03:30 PM (ZLI7S)

I pray you are correct. I pray I'm proven wrong that Horowitz will throw shade where he can to protect his boys and give the MSM ammo for their narrative going into 2020. Barr and Durham don't trouble me as much as Horowitz tbh.

I have zero faith in our institutions, JS. It'll go out on a limb that I'm not the only one.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 03, 2019 03:40 PM (ngSZO)

400 I'm really struggling on how I can be more clear about this.

The Inspector General of the Department of Justice can only look at things within the Department of Justice. He can only interview CURRENT DOJ employees. He can't talk with retired or fired employees unless they agree. He can't look at the CIA, State Department, IRS or any other agency in the federal government.

He can only look at the DOJ and only in a limited fashion. Period.

The Attorney General of the United States and his appointed federal prosecutor, in this case John Durham, can look at everything and everyone. He can subpoena anyone. He can even talk to foreign officials in places like Italy, the UK, Australia and other places which Durham has been doing.

Horowitz = Security Monitor

Barr/Durham = Armed Security Guard.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 03, 2019 03:30 PM (ZLI7S)

Amazing ain't it?

....why... it's almost as if they are shit posting..

Posted by: Getcha Pull at December 03, 2019 03:40 PM (NxIci)

401 393
Every word of what you've said is true, except I'm still enjoying it immensely.

I've really started to notice recently how much I appreciate when a show or movie just lets you have silence. The Mandalorian does a lot with long stretches of time without dialogue, and I think it helps the mood of the show immensely.


Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 03, 2019 03:37 PM (KUaJL)

===========

I enjoy it. I loved the first 20 minutes rather completely. Werner Herzog is great.

But, the fourth episode is just a new story when the first 3 episodes told one story. It's weird to me. Serialized television is really hard to do, and that felt like it was the objective of the show, especially considering the shortness of the individual episodes and the season overall.

So, this departure into a new story with different stakes and new characters was...odd and unsatisfying.

If they wanted to make an episodic show where each episode is a new adventure, then the first three episodes led me down a road the show probably shouldn't have.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at December 03, 2019 03:40 PM (q80AH)

402 Here's a surprise - sooper conservative Meghan McCain endorses Biden!

Posted by: blaster at December 03, 2019 03:38 PM (9VeU0)

I have on my shocked face.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 03, 2019 03:40 PM (nAiE/)

403 WSJ: Democrats Impeachment Report conclude that Trump abuses his Office for Political gain by Pressuring Ukraine to announce Probes that could benefit him"

*ahem*

So likely what will happen is that they will have various and sundry things in the bill that the "moderates" can vote against and leave behind the abuse of power count over demanding that a foreign power dig up dirt on a political opponent (leave aside that this isn't what happened, and Biden is running against Trump in his dreams, but they are nothing if not loyal to their lies). The moderates will say that they aren't voting for crazy and divisive things but that they are really, really concerned about the national security of the United States and we can't let him get away with using military aid to one of our bestest allies to meddle in our democracy no sir not on my watch!

Posted by: blaster at December 03, 2019 03:41 PM (9VeU0)

404 Too bad we don't have the Executive Branch and could control the DOJ--
Isn't that what this is all about - to keep Trump from exercising his authority? He tried to work with some people rather than scrapping everything and that gave the deep state time to get this set up.

Posted by: FrodoB,
hobbits don't wear socks at December 03, 2019 03:37 PM (BQAo9)


Exactamundo. And Lyin' Ryan, Reince Priebus, and Turtle Mitch were doing their damnedest to hamstring any effective action by the elected President that "nominally" belonged to the same party!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at December 03, 2019 03:42 PM (BiNEL)

405 So far all The IGs, most of whom are Fredo
appoinntees if I am not mistaken, have supported the deep state for the
most part. Shocking LOL


Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2019 03:33 PM

---

The VA IG seems to be a good one.


One thing that people need to remember is that Federal IG's have zero law enforcement powers. They can't compel testimony and they can't subpeona anyone.


When you talk to them, it is 100% purely voluntary and you do not have to answer any questions.


You have to give them any Government records they ask for that are in your possession though.

Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 03, 2019 03:42 PM (JUOKG)

406 If Horowitz doesn't have lunch with or is not social friends with a reporter from the Washington media, I will eat my helmet.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 03, 2019 03:42 PM (G1tCv)

407 >>">>Wash Post is full of bovine excrement. The IG and the DOL have
two very separate and different focuses. The Wash Post is the desired
mouthpiece of the CIA. The IG cannot address the CIA involvement or
really even speak to it....but the DOJ can. They are, quite simply,
trying to present that the IG report and the DOJ investigation are one
in the same...they are not...emphatically, they are not. If they can do
so, they then apply the label "Politically motivated" to any
indictments the DOJ hands down using a very and narrow and specific IG
mandate. This is the media enabling the CIA to obfuscate...that is
all....carry on .

There. Was that so hard?--Posted by: JackStraw


Finally some clear-eyed analysis. A big part of the problem is that some folks really don't understand the functions (and scope) of the various agencies and departments in FedGov. Then WaPo leaks something (which we don't know is true or not) about the IG report and the useless doom and gloom revs up again.



Posted by: Anonymous 7 at December 03, 2019 03:42 PM (HcHqw)

408 378 "I think Alex Jones was right. Our ruling class is mostly comprised of pedophiles. Let that sink in.

Posted by: Augustine at December 03, 2019 03:16 PM (BDZWU) "




Stanley Kubrick thought so, too.

And I gotta say I am getting more convinced of it myself every day.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at December 03, 2019 03:34 PM (JwHjN)

Seek out the writings of William Cooper and his radio broadcasts on YouTube. Alex Jones was heavily influenced by him copying, expounding, and even gatekeeping much of William Cooper's work.

Posted by: squirrelly dan at December 03, 2019 03:43 PM (ngSZO)

409 380 Jackstraw.

Your input on these threads is invaluable.

Please keep it coming.

I get pissed at the resident sadists for fear their incessant pissing, moaning and arguing will deter you from keeping us informed.

This blog was once amazing...

After this is all over, I think I'm done here.

Good job eyores.
Posted by: Getcha Pull at December 03, 2019 03:35 PM (NxIci)


Why not just save some time and leave now. I hate the whiny "wah it's not the same here!" Crap. There are always pessimists and optimists. And they're going to voice their opinions. You don't like it there is the door. It's dickheads that get annoying, and they're not just on one side of the spectrum despite your fantasy that they are.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 03, 2019 03:44 PM (d4Cay)

410 Schiff's report is comical.

Trump did bad things. No proof he did bad things but trust me, he did bad things. And whatever you do, don't believe the transcripts of the call.

I do hope Republicans make him curl into a ball and cry. Plus make him release the transcripts of his meeting with Atkinson.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 03, 2019 03:44 PM (QIblF)

411
You have to give them any Government records they ask for that are in your possession though.
Posted by: Mr. Scott

=====

How would they know if you withheld a bunch of them?

IG: "Let me see all the emails that prove you're a traitorous hack."

Lisa Page (shrugging) "I don't have any."

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 03, 2019 03:45 PM (M9ntN)

412 Going out on a limb here predict The Report will be more of the usual "Except for this low-level nobody we've selected for public flagellation everybody else did EVERYTHING BY THE BOOK. Nothing to see here folks - move along, move along."

Posted by: I Have Questions at December 03, 2019 03:45 PM (BvNzB)

413 I think Joe Biden forgetting where he is, acting like a pervert around small children and encouraging them to play with the hair on his legs is more damaging then anything Trump did. In fact, what Biden's grifter, coke sniffing dishonorable discharge son did hurt him more than Trump.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 03, 2019 03:46 PM (G1tCv)

414 Trump threatened to withhold military aid to Ukraine unless he got what he wanted. Then he gave military aid to Ukraine without getting anything.

Also, don't mind that everyone had military aid withheld as was Trump's right until he could get a handle on what sort of fuckups Obama was making.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 03, 2019 03:51 PM (QIblF)

415 406: Wife was a CNN producer, I'm sure he knows them all and many quite well.

Posted by: CN at December 03, 2019 03:51 PM (U7k5w)

416
Then why in the holy living Hell have we all been waiting for an IG report?

Why have their been no indictments?

It's been public knowledge for TWO YEARS that laws were broken. Yet the ONLY people actually finding out information seems to be a few actual reporters, and Judicial Watch.

They are doing permanent damage to our society, to our faith in the Justice Department and Judicial systems, let alone the FBI.

Yet there seems to be no urgency exhibited BY the Justice Department, to clean this up.

And human nature is such that betrayal of trust, destroys Faith, and faith is very very hard to restore.
Posted by: Don Q at December 03, 2019 02:55 PM (NgKpN)

-------

Never, ever trust the Justice Department, they are evil. I don't care who is leading it.

Posted by: MAGA at December 03, 2019 03:51 PM (bloh/)

417 You can contribute to JackStraw at the following link:

GoHempMe/SinsemillaStrawMan.

Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at December 03, 2019 03:52 PM (G1tCv)

418 Barr has seen a draft of the Horowitz report. He got it in September. Subsequently, in November, he said this: "Inspector General Horowitz is a fiercely independent investigator, a superb investigator who I think has conducted this particular investigation in the most professional way, and I think his work, when it does come out, will be a credit to the department."

Posted by: mediapostate at December 03, 2019 03:53 PM (KHDO4)

419 But...but...'Q' told me mass arrests were happening soon!!!

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at December 03, 2019 03:54 PM (3ufaJ)

420
There. Was that so hard?--Posted by: JackStraw


------

Well if you like sucky ass excuses.

Now it's "IG can't do anything with the CIA", and "he wasn't told to investigate the beginning of the spying on Trump".

Posted by: MAGA at December 03, 2019 03:54 PM (bloh/)

421 Sealed indictments!!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 03, 2019 03:54 PM (QIblF)

422 Here's a surprise - sooper conservative Meghan McCain endorses Biden!

Posted by: blaster at December 03, 2019 03:38 PM (9VeU0)

I have on my shocked face.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 03, 2019 03:40 PM (nAiE/)

What are the odds Creepy Uncle Joe touched her inappropriately?

Posted by: Northernlurker, still lurking after all these years at December 03, 2019 04:05 PM (Uu+Jp)

423 421: 1000 of them

Posted by: CN at December 03, 2019 04:05 PM (U7k5w)

424 Here's a surprise - sooper conservative Meghan McCain endorses Biden!


Who could look at that pathetic, creepy old man and say he should be the most powerful man in the world?

Posted by: Northernlurker, still lurking after all these years at December 03, 2019 04:09 PM (Uu+Jp)

425 My ancient Olde Legalle Ethiks text tells me that "continuing to advance" a baseless argument or case, once the attorney has found out it has no basis, is unethical conduct.

I would imagine this applies to prosecutors in spades, who not only incur legal fees on the other side but who, when continuing a baseless investigation, cause actual human beings who have done nothing wrong to live in fear that the government will clap them into PMITA prison.

So, apart from the "origins" issue: when did Mueller and Weissman know this was (at best) a big nothingburger (even apart from the appearance of being in bad faith from the get go) and what did they do about it?

Posted by: xnycpeasant at December 03, 2019 04:12 PM (9hZ6N)

426 IF the WaPo is accurate, the DOJ is about to sanction using fabricated evidence and perjured testimony to establish probable cause. Nice republic we had there.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 03, 2019 04:13 PM (iw59Q)

427 Going out on a limb here predict The Report will be more of the usual "Except for this low-level nobody we've selected for public flagellation everybody else did EVERYTHING BY THE BOOK. Nothing to see here folks - move along, move along."
Posted by: I Have Questions at December 03, 2019 03:45 PM (BvNzB

Going out on a limb?

Have you not been reading what all of the eyores have been bitching about all fucking year??

Posted by: Getcha Pull at December 03, 2019 04:40 PM (xVsEk)

428 The Washington Compost should award itself with a Pinocchio

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at December 03, 2019 05:24 PM (wGqjj)

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