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Gun Thread: But Wait, There's More! [Weasel]
We had even more great submissions in the mailbox this week. Thanks! This is what it's all about, guys and gals, getting to the range and shooting. It's fine to read about shooting related topics, especially Sunday evenings at 7pm, but you need to get out and practice your skills! Let's look at what some of our friends are doing at the range, shall we?
So just how often are you getting to the range, anyway? Weekly? Monthly? Semi-annually? Once every few years?
We had a great question in the comments last week from our pal Vashta Nerada:An item for discussion is whether firing hundreds of rounds at a range session is the best method, versus a lower round count and more frequent visits. Since I don't pay for range time, I prefer option two. I feel that it helps my muscle memory to do it this way.This is really a very good question and I'd like to hear your thoughts. High round count occasional visits, or more frequent, lower round count trips? Which do you think is better, and which one are you doing? Which one helps build on previous training sessions in terms of muscle memory, sight picture and so forth? How long between range trips is too long and allows your skills to degrade?
Just got back from meeting and shooting with RPL. A great guy and someone who definitely knows how to shoot. He was kind enough to help me with things such as my stance and my grip which I think more and more might be the root of my problems. We met up at the West Side Rifle & Pistol range. A nice cozy indoor range located in the basement of one of the buildings on 20th street in the Flatiron section of Manhattan. I got there a few minutes before RPL and started filling out the form for people who are not members and are shooting for the first time there. They also looked at my handgun license as it would be against the law for me to shoot there without one (yep, crazy NYS law). I also purchased 100 rounds of 9mm and RPL got 50. Well we went over to a table to get our things together, basically unpacking the pistol and getting our eyes and ears on and proceeded to the firing lanes. This is definitely an old style range, you had to turn the light on to illuminate your port and it had a wheel and pulley system to move your target back and forth. RPL had brought two targets with him, a diagnostic target and another type for doing drills. He put the diagnostic target up and put it out about 7 or 8 yards down range and had me take my stance and start shooting at the target. As the picture shows I was mainly shooting low and left. RPL made suggestions for my stance and most importantly to my grip. He had me make sure my thumbs were both facing down range as I tend to curl them downwards and he suggested I try to push/pull with my hand - pushing with my dominant/trigger hand and pulling with the other. These tips definitely helped and I am going to be working on it a lot at home just working on gripping the gun. It was great meeting a fellow moron and RPL really helped with my shooting. He also suggested going to the Sig Academy which I will look into doing next year when its warmer.
Last week my 30 year old son and I went to the local indoor range to sight in my AR. We're in Chicago so shooting outdoors for fun right now is out of the question. I bought the weapon back when HILLARY! was going to be president and I knew she would ban them. Since Trump won I got lax and never used it. It took me a while but finally got it dialed in on the iron sights. Once that happened it immediately turned into a competition between us. It always does. Well, I held my own against his young eyes and steady hands. We then turned to our handguns and shot about 150 rounds through his Glock 17 and my Springfield XDS which is my EDC weapon. He kicked my ass, and made me proud. We've shot together for over 20 years now. Even when he was a teenager and things were strained between us we have always been able to go shooting and have fun. When he still lived at home we would also spend an hour or two afterward cleaning our guns and talking. The smell of Hoppes and gun powder will always bring back great memories for me. Something the gun haters just don't understand.
The Civilian Marksmanship Program 2020 schedule for their Advanced Maintenance Class has been released. This is for those interested in the M1 and attending the course to learn how to do detailed maintenance on the weapon. It's not cheap but a big hit.I have read several comments over the years from people who have attended this class, and without exception, they rave about it! There are two pricing options; one where you bring your own rifle, and another which includes the purchase of a CMP M1 Garand. It really sounds like a great time!
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and so it begins
Posted by: that guy that always thinks it's beginning at November 24, 2019 07:00 PM (KwSAv)
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Bang bang!
Posted by: tbodie at November 24, 2019 07:01 PM (I1MCJ)
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Shoot. Missed a first.
Posted by: Beartooth at November 24, 2019 07:01 PM (IeMrD)
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Ready on the firing range
Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 07:01 PM (ZCEU2)
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Heh. Slapping the trigger. Heh heh heh.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 24, 2019 07:02 PM (NWiLs)
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Weasel - Did you see that Tank round slo mo and guess you have seen rifle bullets slo mo, do they yawl exiting a barrel?
Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 07:03 PM (ZCEU2)
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OT but Ginsburg hospitalized at Johns Hopkins (totally not known for cancer treatment) and no one covered it just about.
Posted by: Piratepatch at November 24, 2019 07:05 PM (taXNc)
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AR and AK guys are on here. Embrace the power of and.
Posted by: Eromero at November 24, 2019 07:05 PM (UUkQp)
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I like the diagnostic target, and I wish more ranges offered them for sale. We get questions here all of the time that these targets would answer!
Range I take my oldest son to has that as a chart, but not a target.
I would use that on every range visit if it were available.
Heck, might even improve my shooting.
Range I take my oldest son to has that as a chart, but not a target.
I would use that on every range visit if it were available.
Heck, might even improve my shooting.
Posted by: tbodie at November 24, 2019 07:06 PM (I1MCJ)
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The target is basically the Shooter's Wheel of Misery.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 24, 2019 07:06 PM (NWiLs)
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Miculek is absurd with a wheel gun.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 07:07 PM (n13/j)
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Did not get to the range this week BUT, as some of you know, I purchased, and promptly lost, a CZ SP-01 Tactical. I even got her on sale.
Heading to the range with her tomorrow.
That M1 class sounds nice - have to look into it.
Heading to the range with her tomorrow.
That M1 class sounds nice - have to look into it.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 24, 2019 07:07 PM (Y4EXg)
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Great deals on ammo right now. At PSA and net of Federal rebate. All Federal blackbox ammo, per round cost not including Freight and state sales tax.
9mm. $.12 .223. $.21. .308. $.40. 45 ACP. .19. And .380 $.17. Other calibers as well but this is mostly what I'm interested in.
9mm. $.12 .223. $.21. .308. $.40. 45 ACP. .19. And .380 $.17. Other calibers as well but this is mostly what I'm interested in.
Posted by: Agitator at November 24, 2019 07:09 PM (VP1T8)
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I live 2+ hours from nearest range. By necessity I do few trips with high ammo count shot.
Posted by: tbodie at November 24, 2019 07:09 PM (I1MCJ)
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This is not connected to the bastards in Richmond but we sold the Ruger AR this week. I got it mostly for Mrs. JTB for home defense but she doesn't care for it. She prefers a pump shotgun or revolvers for that. For recreation she likes her Ruger Mk IIs and CZ75b. And we are starting the process of reducing the armory a bit, concentrating on the guns we use.
I still like the 5.56 cartridge and have that superb Henry single shot for that.
I still like the 5.56 cartridge and have that superb Henry single shot for that.
Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 07:09 PM (bmdz3)
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Hello!
My answer to the question is why not both? Long and frequent range visits are the best.
The big constraint around here is time, not money. There are a number of free DNR ranges in Michigan with decent hours. Your tax dollar at work!
For me ammo supply is a consideration as I have to support a family as well as steadily rising insurance premiums for all the guns that get sunk whilst canoeing. (Legend says the bottom of the Red Cedar is entirely paved with rusted iron.)
My answer to the question is why not both? Long and frequent range visits are the best.
The big constraint around here is time, not money. There are a number of free DNR ranges in Michigan with decent hours. Your tax dollar at work!
For me ammo supply is a consideration as I have to support a family as well as steadily rising insurance premiums for all the guns that get sunk whilst canoeing. (Legend says the bottom of the Red Cedar is entirely paved with rusted iron.)
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 07:09 PM (cfSRQ)
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I asked last week on the Gub thread where the soul of a rifle resides. I considered it this week and have decided that it lives in the receiver. In which case switching receivers in Betty really created a new rifle so the new receiver rifle is now Annie.
Betty keeps the old receiver that I painted, and gets new clothes that don't attempt to be retro.
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmJhqaFg
Annie gets the true retro receiver and nothing but period appropriate parts.
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmJzL84F
Betty keeps the old receiver that I painted, and gets new clothes that don't attempt to be retro.
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmJhqaFg
Annie gets the true retro receiver and nothing but period appropriate parts.
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmJzL84F
Posted by: Grump928(C) repeats himself and has pictures at November 24, 2019 07:09 PM (yQpMk)
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Question for the revolver experts:
I just took delivery of a brand new Ruger SP101 in .22LR. Took it to the range and put 32 rounds through it. I got tired of pushing out every spent shell with a cleaning rod.
Yes, I absolutely could not budge the empties with the ejector rod. The rod fuctions smoothlyband eadily empty, and with unfired rounds. I'm guessing there is a problem with the size of the machining in the cylinder. Too big and it allows the cases to expand too much when firing? Or too tight? This happened with 3 different types of ammo.
Should I try polishing the insides, or send it back to Ruger?
I just took delivery of a brand new Ruger SP101 in .22LR. Took it to the range and put 32 rounds through it. I got tired of pushing out every spent shell with a cleaning rod.
Yes, I absolutely could not budge the empties with the ejector rod. The rod fuctions smoothlyband eadily empty, and with unfired rounds. I'm guessing there is a problem with the size of the machining in the cylinder. Too big and it allows the cases to expand too much when firing? Or too tight? This happened with 3 different types of ammo.
Should I try polishing the insides, or send it back to Ruger?
Posted by: Pete Polarek at November 24, 2019 07:12 PM (C1NyB)
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Gunga -la gunga !
Posted by: JT at November 24, 2019 07:13 PM (arJlL)
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Actually got OUTSIDE to shoot with the Nurse and Lazy Messenger.
I am really out of shape.
But that aside, we did some IDPA drills that was super fun. The CZ P07 is still a damn fine pistol, though under speed the DA to SA transition is rougher than it is in slow fire.
We also shot some rifles briefly. Lazy Messenger's cheapo AR shot pretty darn good and I finally got some trigger time with my AK 74. Which I like quite a bit.
I am really out of shape.
But that aside, we did some IDPA drills that was super fun. The CZ P07 is still a damn fine pistol, though under speed the DA to SA transition is rougher than it is in slow fire.
We also shot some rifles briefly. Lazy Messenger's cheapo AR shot pretty darn good and I finally got some trigger time with my AK 74. Which I like quite a bit.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 07:13 PM (d1uFV)
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The AK vs AR was funny, and then an ad crept in.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 24, 2019 07:13 PM (/sgva)
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Never really thought about it as far as guns go.
But trained for many years wielding swords.
You really want both. Short sessions to work on perfect form, but also some marathon sessions where you work on endurance, and making sure your base form does not break down when tired.
But trained for many years wielding swords.
You really want both. Short sessions to work on perfect form, but also some marathon sessions where you work on endurance, and making sure your base form does not break down when tired.
Posted by: Don Q. at November 24, 2019 07:13 PM (NgKpN)
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6 Weasel - Did you see that Tank round slo mo and guess you have seen rifle bullets slo mo, do they yawl exiting a barrel?
Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 07:03 PM (ZCEU2)
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Hey Skip - I replied yesterday I think.
I haven't seen the vid, but yes, bullets can and do yaw when they exit the barrel. It's caused when the projectile stops rotating around the axis of the barrel and begins rotating around the center of mass. It can take some time to stabilize, if it does at all.
Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 07:03 PM (ZCEU2)
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Hey Skip - I replied yesterday I think.
I haven't seen the vid, but yes, bullets can and do yaw when they exit the barrel. It's caused when the projectile stops rotating around the axis of the barrel and begins rotating around the center of mass. It can take some time to stabilize, if it does at all.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 07:13 PM (MVjcR)
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I did take inventory this week of the weapons and took pics by means of my digital camera. The micro SD cards are so cheap now I just threw it into my safe deposit box with the weapon pics and data on it.
I'm becoming increasingly suspect of taking videos or pictures on my iphone and storing any weapon data there or on the cloud. I don't trust my betters to not try to infringe upon my rights.
Le Sigh.
I'm becoming increasingly suspect of taking videos or pictures on my iphone and storing any weapon data there or on the cloud. I don't trust my betters to not try to infringe upon my rights.
Le Sigh.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 24, 2019 07:14 PM (Y4EXg)
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*functions smoothly and easily when empty, and with unfired rounds.
Posted by: Pete Polarek at November 24, 2019 07:14 PM (C1NyB)
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I wish I could have shot with my dad but he had passed away before I began the hobby. The image of Hoppe's, gunpowder, conversation and cups of coffee is a pleasant one.
Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 07:14 PM (bmdz3)
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I think constant practice is better for skill maintenance. But to get better, I suspect longer sessions work better. I always feel like I'm JUST getting into the groove after 200 rounds.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 07:15 PM (d1uFV)
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My range report this week actually fits into the big question. Last week I finally got around to taking a Luger to the range. It's acquisition is a tale for another time.
Anyhow, it was a huge disappointment. While I did a cursory cleaning and function check, it was clear that there was quite a bit of preservative gumming up the works.
So I spent last week sneezing my head off (another story) and doing a more detailed cleaning, which did in fact bring up lots of brown preservative-looking gunk.
Having a lot on my plate, I still wanted to test the dingus as well as take advantage of the mild weather. So off to the range I went armed with both 115 and 124 grain 9mm (since I heard that makes a difference).
Yeah, not so much. It ran better, but only barely. The toggle needs to be manually cocked to reset the firing pin after each shot unless it locks open on empty.
I actually did that for a while, doing one round in each mag to try to force it into better cycling. Didn't help.
Instead of watching football, I did an even *more detailed* cleaning, pulling off the grips and getting into every cranny in the search for more gunk. I found lots, and it seems to be cycling better, but this may be a matter of simply letting the new oil work fully penetrate.
Anyhow, it was a huge disappointment. While I did a cursory cleaning and function check, it was clear that there was quite a bit of preservative gumming up the works.
So I spent last week sneezing my head off (another story) and doing a more detailed cleaning, which did in fact bring up lots of brown preservative-looking gunk.
Having a lot on my plate, I still wanted to test the dingus as well as take advantage of the mild weather. So off to the range I went armed with both 115 and 124 grain 9mm (since I heard that makes a difference).
Yeah, not so much. It ran better, but only barely. The toggle needs to be manually cocked to reset the firing pin after each shot unless it locks open on empty.
I actually did that for a while, doing one round in each mag to try to force it into better cycling. Didn't help.
Instead of watching football, I did an even *more detailed* cleaning, pulling off the grips and getting into every cranny in the search for more gunk. I found lots, and it seems to be cycling better, but this may be a matter of simply letting the new oil work fully penetrate.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 07:15 PM (cfSRQ)
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Question for the revolver experts:
I just took delivery of a brand new Ruger SP101 in .22LR. Took it to
the range and put 32 rounds through it. I got tired of pushing out
every spent shell with a cleaning rod.
Yes, I absolutely could not budge the empties with the ejector rod.
The rod fuctions smoothlyband eadily empty, and with unfired rounds. I'm
guessing there is a problem with the size of the machining in the
cylinder. Too big and it allows the cases to expand too much when
firing? Or too tight? This happened with 3 different types of ammo.
Should I try polishing the insides, or send it back to Ruger?
Posted by: Pete Polarek at November 24, 2019 07:12 PM (C1NyB)
i can't help ya there, there could be a real problem the details guys could offer advice on. I recall having to do that with an overbuilt Ruger once. I was shooting someone else's reloads. The cases were splitting. That is not a good place to be. It makes the weapon useless for a time. In my case, the rounds were either reloaded too many times or loaded too hot, or both.
but since this was .22. I would send it back to the manufacturer.
I just took delivery of a brand new Ruger SP101 in .22LR. Took it to
the range and put 32 rounds through it. I got tired of pushing out
every spent shell with a cleaning rod.
Yes, I absolutely could not budge the empties with the ejector rod.
The rod fuctions smoothlyband eadily empty, and with unfired rounds. I'm
guessing there is a problem with the size of the machining in the
cylinder. Too big and it allows the cases to expand too much when
firing? Or too tight? This happened with 3 different types of ammo.
Should I try polishing the insides, or send it back to Ruger?
Posted by: Pete Polarek at November 24, 2019 07:12 PM (C1NyB)
i can't help ya there, there could be a real problem the details guys could offer advice on. I recall having to do that with an overbuilt Ruger once. I was shooting someone else's reloads. The cases were splitting. That is not a good place to be. It makes the weapon useless for a time. In my case, the rounds were either reloaded too many times or loaded too hot, or both.
but since this was .22. I would send it back to the manufacturer.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 07:16 PM (n13/j)
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Should I try polishing the insides, or send it back to Ruger?
Posted by: Pete Polarek at November 24, 2019 07:12 PM (C1NyB)
I wonder if there is some gummy anti-corrosion coating in the cylinder bores? Maybe a swab with a Q-tip soaked in Hoppe's #9?
Posted by: Pete Polarek at November 24, 2019 07:12 PM (C1NyB)
I wonder if there is some gummy anti-corrosion coating in the cylinder bores? Maybe a swab with a Q-tip soaked in Hoppe's #9?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 24, 2019 07:16 PM (/sgva)
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Should I try polishing the insides, or send it back to Ruger?
Posted by: Pete Polarek at November 24, 2019 07:12 PM (C1NyB)
Hurm. Should work out of the box. You MIGHT try 200 rounds and see if it 'breaks in', though I hate breakin periods with production firearms.
Posted by: Pete Polarek at November 24, 2019 07:12 PM (C1NyB)
Hurm. Should work out of the box. You MIGHT try 200 rounds and see if it 'breaks in', though I hate breakin periods with production firearms.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 07:16 PM (d1uFV)
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I really cannot watch enough Jerry Miculek videos, and apparently I'm not alone.
Same here. The dude is incredible.
Same here. The dude is incredible.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 24, 2019 07:17 PM (EgshT)
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18, First, did you clean the revolver thoroughly. Grease and other shipping contaminants can make it difficult to remove brass after firing.
Second, are there obvious flaws in the chambers--rings, gouges, etc.--it that is true, then send it back to Ruger as those are problems with construction of the revolver.
Third, it is possible, but not that likely, that you have oversized chambers in your Ruger. If you reload, you check the diameter of the fired case versus the original unfired case and see how much it expanded.
Second, are there obvious flaws in the chambers--rings, gouges, etc.--it that is true, then send it back to Ruger as those are problems with construction of the revolver.
Third, it is possible, but not that likely, that you have oversized chambers in your Ruger. If you reload, you check the diameter of the fired case versus the original unfired case and see how much it expanded.
Posted by: whig at November 24, 2019 07:17 PM (MItID)
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Also, here's a website with downloadable targets you can print yourself. One of them is that diagnostic target. Print it on heavy card stock.
https://persecusa.com/html/free/freestuff-targets.htm
https://persecusa.com/html/free/freestuff-targets.htm
Posted by: Pete Polarek at November 24, 2019 07:17 PM (C1NyB)
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18 ... "I just took delivery of a brand new Ruger SP101 in .22LR. Took it to the range and put 32 rounds through it. I got tired of pushing out every spent shell with a cleaning rod.
Yes, I absolutely could not budge the empties with the ejector rod. The rod fuctions smoothlyband eadily empty, and with unfired rounds. I'm guessing there is a problem with the size of the machining in the cylinder. Too big and it allows the cases to expand too much when firing? Or too tight? This happened with 3 different types of ammo.
Should I try polishing the insides, or send it back to Ruger?"
That is not right. Give Ruger a call but I suspect it will be going back to the factory.
Yes, I absolutely could not budge the empties with the ejector rod. The rod fuctions smoothlyband eadily empty, and with unfired rounds. I'm guessing there is a problem with the size of the machining in the cylinder. Too big and it allows the cases to expand too much when firing? Or too tight? This happened with 3 different types of ammo.
Should I try polishing the insides, or send it back to Ruger?"
That is not right. Give Ruger a call but I suspect it will be going back to the factory.
Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 07:18 PM (bmdz3)
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Woo hoo! More gun tryouts tomorrow! One of our church elders is going with me as an advisor and I plan to try a Glock 43, Sig P365, and S&W Shield 9 mm.
If I'm going to end up with a S&W, I want to buy before the end of the month because they are on sale.
Also, that range (in the pic) looks like the one at Magnum Shooting Center in Colorado Springs.
If I'm going to end up with a S&W, I want to buy before the end of the month because they are on sale.
Also, that range (in the pic) looks like the one at Magnum Shooting Center in Colorado Springs.
Posted by: Emmie at November 24, 2019 07:18 PM (87gB3)
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11 Miculek is absurd with a wheel gun.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 07:07 PM (n13/j)
Some people are just magic. That's Jerry with anything.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 07:07 PM (n13/j)
Some people are just magic. That's Jerry with anything.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 07:18 PM (d1uFV)
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Should I try polishing the insides, or send it back to Ruger?
Posted by: Pete Polarek at November 24, 2019 07:12 PM (C1NyB)
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That is really puzzling to me. I've owned a number of revolvers (including two in .22) and that has never been an issue. Ever.
I'd be tempted to send it back before you tinker too much with it.
Posted by: Pete Polarek at November 24, 2019 07:12 PM (C1NyB)
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That is really puzzling to me. I've owned a number of revolvers (including two in .22) and that has never been an issue. Ever.
I'd be tempted to send it back before you tinker too much with it.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 07:20 PM (cfSRQ)
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Revolver was cleaned and lubed before the range trip. From what I can see, the chambers are clean, with smooth walls and no obvious groves or burrs. My caliper is buried in the storage unit, so I can't measure them.
Posted by: Pete Polarek at November 24, 2019 07:20 PM (C1NyB)
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Should I try polishing the insides, or send it back to Ruger?
Posted by: Pete Polarek at November 24, 2019 07:12 PM (C1NyB)
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I know it's a pain, but I'd send it back.
Posted by: Pete Polarek at November 24, 2019 07:12 PM (C1NyB)
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I know it's a pain, but I'd send it back.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 07:21 PM (MVjcR)
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Prince of Wales blacktail down. .270 Win 130 gr., 150 yards. 45 pounds summer sausage and Polish smoked. 15 pounds Bratwurst in the freezer.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 24, 2019 07:21 PM (1CjJc)
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I think constant practice is better for skill
maintenance. But to get better, I suspect longer sessions work better. I
always feel like I'm JUST getting into the groove after 200 rounds.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 07:15 PM (d1uFV)
Since this is more of a poll than something we have to prove, I am going with practicing more often. Most think the issue if you are talking self defense, is familiarity with the weapon and its workings. The more often you do something the more likely it will become second nature.
You see the same thing in golf. Some guys will go the range and hit 200 balls. But are the last 50 balls taken as seriously and is with much focus as the first 150? And what point are you just "beating balls". Yeah, come after me with that line lol.
I think having something part of your normal routine is better unless you are sighting in or trying to accomplish some other specific task.
I don't do either so this is just a lot of talk.
maintenance. But to get better, I suspect longer sessions work better. I
always feel like I'm JUST getting into the groove after 200 rounds.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 07:15 PM (d1uFV)
Since this is more of a poll than something we have to prove, I am going with practicing more often. Most think the issue if you are talking self defense, is familiarity with the weapon and its workings. The more often you do something the more likely it will become second nature.
You see the same thing in golf. Some guys will go the range and hit 200 balls. But are the last 50 balls taken as seriously and is with much focus as the first 150? And what point are you just "beating balls". Yeah, come after me with that line lol.
I think having something part of your normal routine is better unless you are sighting in or trying to accomplish some other specific task.
I don't do either so this is just a lot of talk.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 07:22 PM (n13/j)
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MidwayUSA has bulk 5.56 ammo on sale. It's Frontier Cartridge Military Grade Ammunition 5.56x45mm NATO XM193 55 Grain Hornady Full Metal Jacket Boat Tail Box of 450 Bulk. 450 rounds for $150.00 and free shipping. Just FYI.
Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 07:22 PM (bmdz3)
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The AK was designed by the Soviets to be used in frontal assaults by massed troops advancing while firing full auto and casualties be damned.
The AR was Stoner's answer for a light, portable, accurate rifle which only the Air Force was interested in at the beginning. Only later, in Vietnam, did the Army see his wisdom.
Both platforms are excellent for what they were designed to do.
The AR was Stoner's answer for a light, portable, accurate rifle which only the Air Force was interested in at the beginning. Only later, in Vietnam, did the Army see his wisdom.
Both platforms are excellent for what they were designed to do.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 24, 2019 07:22 PM (Z+IKu)
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No range time this week, boss. Just basement bench time with 5.56 brass, Varget powder and Nosler 164 g. Boolitts.
Posted by: RI Red at November 24, 2019 07:22 PM (p9zYu)
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Prince of Wales blacktail down. .270 Win 130 gr., 150 yards. 45 pounds summer sausage and Polish smoked. 15 pounds Bratwurst in the freezer.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 24, 2019 07:21 PM (1CjJc)
Seems the Duke of York was fond of young Whitetail.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 24, 2019 07:21 PM (1CjJc)
Seems the Duke of York was fond of young Whitetail.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 24, 2019 07:23 PM (/sgva)
47
I don't do either so this is just a lot of talk.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 07:22 PM (n13/j)
Come shooting, we're at West Coast Armory most Saturday mornings.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 07:22 PM (n13/j)
Come shooting, we're at West Coast Armory most Saturday mornings.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 07:23 PM (d1uFV)
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This may be a stupid question but, well, that's kinda my jam.
So, I'm almost comically nearsighted. Glasses give more definition but there's some distortion. Contacts provide good general vision but are weaker on details. Both are more suited to up close work.
Is there a pair of shooting goggles that makes long distance objects clearer?
I'm not blaming lenses for my poor marksmanship. I stink. But I could use an assist.
So, I'm almost comically nearsighted. Glasses give more definition but there's some distortion. Contacts provide good general vision but are weaker on details. Both are more suited to up close work.
Is there a pair of shooting goggles that makes long distance objects clearer?
I'm not blaming lenses for my poor marksmanship. I stink. But I could use an assist.
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at November 24, 2019 07:23 PM (Dc2NZ)
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 24, 2019 07:24 PM (1CjJc)
50
Not to brag but I just contributed to AOSHQ- just a reminder to anyone who donate that it is super easy to do.
Posted by: museisluse at November 24, 2019 07:24 PM (YudWf)
51
I imagine if I looked on YouTube there are videos of rifle bullets with very slo motion.
On Thursday ONT there is a video link of a Easy Eight Sherman tank round. As it leaves the barrel it is noticed wobbly for a short time until the spin stabilizes it, also the shock wave in front from the air is visible.
On Thursday ONT there is a video link of a Easy Eight Sherman tank round. As it leaves the barrel it is noticed wobbly for a short time until the spin stabilizes it, also the shock wave in front from the air is visible.
Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 07:24 PM (ZCEU2)
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Does anyone here own a PSA AR? What do you think of it?
Posted by: Joe Biden ask me about my grandkids at November 24, 2019 07:25 PM (+mbOC)
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at November 24, 2019 07:25 PM (m6W70)
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I've never been to a range where they let you bring your own paper targets.
Or any other kind of targets.
Or any other kind of targets.
Posted by: atilla the thrilla at November 24, 2019 07:25 PM (w7KSn)
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Posted by: RI Red at November 24, 2019 07:22 PM (p9zYu)
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Hey, bro - I swear I'm going to answer your email!
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Hey, bro - I swear I'm going to answer your email!
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 07:25 PM (MVjcR)
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I don't do either so this is just a lot of talk.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 07:22 PM (n13/j)
Come shooting, we're at West Coast Armory most Saturday mornings.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 07:23 PM (d1uFV
I need to get back into it.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 07:22 PM (n13/j)
Come shooting, we're at West Coast Armory most Saturday mornings.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 07:23 PM (d1uFV
I need to get back into it.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 07:25 PM (n13/j)
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I think shorter but more frequent range sessions are better for training. Unless you are just blasting away at reactive targets for fun, it is too hard to concentrate on technique for long periods and muscle memory needs regular reinforcement.
Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 07:26 PM (bmdz3)
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Glasses give more definition but there's some distortion. Contacts provide good general vision but are weaker on details. Both are more suited to up close work.
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at November 24, 2019 07:23 PM (Dc2NZ)
OK, I think I understand the question. For pistol shooting, you should be focusing only on the front sight. Whichever means you use to achieve that is probably going to be the best place to start. You are not trying to shoot the thing in the distance, you're placing it on top of the front sight.
Do you maybe have some undiagnosed astigmatism?
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at November 24, 2019 07:23 PM (Dc2NZ)
OK, I think I understand the question. For pistol shooting, you should be focusing only on the front sight. Whichever means you use to achieve that is probably going to be the best place to start. You are not trying to shoot the thing in the distance, you're placing it on top of the front sight.
Do you maybe have some undiagnosed astigmatism?
Posted by: hogmartin at November 24, 2019 07:26 PM (t+qrx)
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I mentioned this earlier, but the gun thread might be a decent place to mention military hardware. Three Ospreys overflew my house earlier today. They must have been on their way to Travis AFB. Oh man.... THE VIBRATIONS! Everything in my house shook, even my teeth.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at November 24, 2019 07:27 PM (I99aF)
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Re best time spent on range. Embrace "and".
It often takes lots of rounds to develop muscle memory and to figure out what you're doing wrong.
On the other hand, I've done lots of sessions just firing cold, trying to reproduce an actual scenario where you don't get warm up time.
Besides, any range time is good time.
It often takes lots of rounds to develop muscle memory and to figure out what you're doing wrong.
On the other hand, I've done lots of sessions just firing cold, trying to reproduce an actual scenario where you don't get warm up time.
Besides, any range time is good time.
Posted by: RI Red at November 24, 2019 07:27 PM (p9zYu)
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If you like tanks, Amazon has a good movie called T-34.
Russian production, English overdubs.
Lots of slo-mo tank round action.
And it's a love story to boot!
Russian production, English overdubs.
Lots of slo-mo tank round action.
And it's a love story to boot!
Posted by: atilla the thrilla at November 24, 2019 07:27 PM (w7KSn)
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But are the last 50 balls taken as seriously and is
with much focus as the first 150? And what point are you just "beating
balls". Yeah, come after me with that line lol.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 07:22 PM (n13/j)
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There's a point where you've peaked in terms of learning, and even if I have allotted ammo remaining, I stop.
But at the same time, it's not unusual for you to need time to get a good feel and rhythm for the session - particularly if you have multiple guns.
I generally like to take two the range (my trip with the Luger was unique in its brevity) and enough ammo for both, and switch back and forth to note the differences. Last week was frustrating on the part of the Luger, but I got a breakthrough of sorts with my Walther PK380. I had been shooting poorly with it of late and that bothered me, since I used to be good with it.
After hate-firing a couple of mags over the Luger fiasco, I found a nice good stance and just killed it. My companion was genuinely shocked at how much I improved. I guess I leveled up.
with much focus as the first 150? And what point are you just "beating
balls". Yeah, come after me with that line lol.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 07:22 PM (n13/j)
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There's a point where you've peaked in terms of learning, and even if I have allotted ammo remaining, I stop.
But at the same time, it's not unusual for you to need time to get a good feel and rhythm for the session - particularly if you have multiple guns.
I generally like to take two the range (my trip with the Luger was unique in its brevity) and enough ammo for both, and switch back and forth to note the differences. Last week was frustrating on the part of the Luger, but I got a breakthrough of sorts with my Walther PK380. I had been shooting poorly with it of late and that bothered me, since I used to be good with it.
After hate-firing a couple of mags over the Luger fiasco, I found a nice good stance and just killed it. My companion was genuinely shocked at how much I improved. I guess I leveled up.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 07:27 PM (cfSRQ)
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I've never been to a range where they let you bring your own paper targets.
Or any other kind of targets.
Posted by: atilla the thrilla
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Interesting. I don't think I've ever been to a range that didn't let you bring your own paper.
Or any other kind of targets.
Posted by: atilla the thrilla
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Interesting. I don't think I've ever been to a range that didn't let you bring your own paper.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 24, 2019 07:28 PM (Y4EXg)
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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?
Yesterday, actually. It was a date, and she had never fired hand guns before, only 22LR rifles years ago as a kid at camp. She did very well, too!
Yesterday, actually. It was a date, and she had never fired hand guns before, only 22LR rifles years ago as a kid at camp. She did very well, too!
Posted by: Bert G at November 24, 2019 07:28 PM (OMsf+)
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50 Not to brag but I just contributed to AOSHQ- just a reminder to anyone who donate that it is super easy to do.
Posted by: museisluse at November 24, 2019 07:24 PM (YudWf)
Did earlier this year. Will again before Trumpmas. It tells good to support the boss.
Posted by: museisluse at November 24, 2019 07:24 PM (YudWf)
Did earlier this year. Will again before Trumpmas. It tells good to support the boss.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 24, 2019 07:29 PM (1CjJc)
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I think someone brought poster sized pictures of their ex.
That probably tore it.
That probably tore it.
Posted by: atilla the thrilla at November 24, 2019 07:29 PM (w7KSn)
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Do you maybe have some undiagnosed astigmatism?
Posted by: hogmartin at November 24, 2019 07:26 PM (t+qrx)
It's not undiagnosed!
Posted by: hogmartin at November 24, 2019 07:26 PM (t+qrx)
It's not undiagnosed!
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at November 24, 2019 07:29 PM (Dc2NZ)
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I think someone brought poster sized pictures of their ex.
That probably tore it.
Posted by: atilla the thrilla
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Oh yeah - I can see that now. My place does not allow any "likeness" targets. I had forgotten that.
That probably tore it.
Posted by: atilla the thrilla
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Oh yeah - I can see that now. My place does not allow any "likeness" targets. I had forgotten that.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 24, 2019 07:31 PM (Y4EXg)
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Yesterday, actually. It was a date, and she had never fired hand guns before, only 22LR rifles years ago as a kid at camp. She did very well, too!
Posted by: Bert G at November 24, 2019 07:28 PM (OMsf+)
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That's great! Good job!
Yesterday, actually. It was a date, and she had never fired hand guns before, only 22LR rifles years ago as a kid at camp. She did very well, too!
Posted by: Bert G at November 24, 2019 07:28 PM (OMsf+)
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That's great! Good job!
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 07:31 PM (MVjcR)
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Actually, the Jerry Miculek video was sent in by me. I forgot to sign the email.
Had to watch it again. It's great!
Had to watch it again. It's great!
Posted by: Ex-ex at November 24, 2019 07:31 PM (RU4sa)
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Nah, amigo, no need. My overactive hypothalamus just started spewing out words. But it was fun thinking about EVERYTHING going through my mind on a hunt.
Posted by: RI Red at November 24, 2019 07:31 PM (p9zYu)
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Hi folks!!
I was at the range today. An indoor one in New Jersey.
Put through 230 rounds through my Sig. I think the tips RPL gave me last week helped a bit. I will submit pictures of the targets next week.
I did not use a diagnostic target but a regular silhouette and then slapped on a Shoot n C when I obliterated enough paper.
I was at the range today. An indoor one in New Jersey.
Put through 230 rounds through my Sig. I think the tips RPL gave me last week helped a bit. I will submit pictures of the targets next week.
I did not use a diagnostic target but a regular silhouette and then slapped on a Shoot n C when I obliterated enough paper.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 24, 2019 07:32 PM (ZfBVE)
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Here is a handy link to diagnostic targets you can print yourself on 8 1/2 x 11 paper.
This page has both left-handed and right-handed targets.
https://www.concealedcarryonline.com/print-targets/
This page has both left-handed and right-handed targets.
https://www.concealedcarryonline.com/print-targets/
Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 24, 2019 07:32 PM (+Kpte)
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45 ... O/T
RedMindBlue State (if you are here).
I think you mentioned your grandfather worked at the Newport torpedo factory in WW II. He might have worked with my grandfather who was there at the same time and actually retired from there in the fifties.
RedMindBlue State (if you are here).
I think you mentioned your grandfather worked at the Newport torpedo factory in WW II. He might have worked with my grandfather who was there at the same time and actually retired from there in the fifties.
Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 07:33 PM (bmdz3)
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more frequent, lower round count trips?
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I am not a dedicated shooter. I make infrequent trips, just to reassure myself that I can hit what I aim at. Rare for me to fire more than a couple of magazines.
I suppose that implies a bent towards conscious technique, rather than instinct. Also, lazy.
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I am not a dedicated shooter. I make infrequent trips, just to reassure myself that I can hit what I aim at. Rare for me to fire more than a couple of magazines.
I suppose that implies a bent towards conscious technique, rather than instinct. Also, lazy.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2019 07:33 PM (CDGwz)
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I prefer option two. I feel that it helps my muscle memory to do it this way.
This is good training in general. The elites I train with (in an entirely different sport) even go twice a day in briefer sessions than I use.
Also, have a purpose in mind when you go practice, some little thing you want to work on.
This is good training in general. The elites I train with (in an entirely different sport) even go twice a day in briefer sessions than I use.
Also, have a purpose in mind when you go practice, some little thing you want to work on.
Posted by: t-bird at November 24, 2019 07:33 PM (IMdOQ)
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How about targets with blood packs? That could be satisfying. And messy.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at November 24, 2019 07:34 PM (I99aF)
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I was at the range today. An indoor one in New Jersey.
Put through 230 rounds through my Sig. I think the tips RPL gave me
last week helped a bit. I will submit pictures of the targets next
week.
I did not use a diagnostic target but a regular silhouette and then slapped on a Shoot n C when I obliterated enough paper.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 24, 2019 07:32 PM (ZfBVE)
A range in jersey? I didn't think we still had those here.
Put through 230 rounds through my Sig. I think the tips RPL gave me
last week helped a bit. I will submit pictures of the targets next
week.
I did not use a diagnostic target but a regular silhouette and then slapped on a Shoot n C when I obliterated enough paper.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 24, 2019 07:32 PM (ZfBVE)
A range in jersey? I didn't think we still had those here.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 24, 2019 07:34 PM (9Om/r)
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It's not undiagnosed!
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at November 24, 2019 07:29 PM (Dc2NZ)
Well glasses are probably going to work best, unless you have toric contacts. Will your glasses let you focus on a point just past arm's length well enough?
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at November 24, 2019 07:29 PM (Dc2NZ)
Well glasses are probably going to work best, unless you have toric contacts. Will your glasses let you focus on a point just past arm's length well enough?
Posted by: hogmartin at November 24, 2019 07:34 PM (t+qrx)
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The AK was designed to be used with every little training. It is still the weapon of choice for mouth breathers and booger eaters around the world. Because the bullet tumbles it has relatively greater lethality, especially at short range.
The AR is still a more accurate weapon at distance Advances in ballistics have increased the lethality and still kept it a more accurate weapon at range. The platform is also extremely versatile. See variants like the M4, Mk18, etc. that's before we get to AR10 variants like the m110.
The AR is still a more accurate weapon at distance Advances in ballistics have increased the lethality and still kept it a more accurate weapon at range. The platform is also extremely versatile. See variants like the M4, Mk18, etc. that's before we get to AR10 variants like the m110.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at November 24, 2019 07:34 PM (m6W70)
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Is there a pair of shooting goggles that makes long distance objects clearer?
I'm not blaming lenses for my poor marksmanship. I stink. But I could use an assist.
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency,
fanatical devotion to the Pope) at November 24, 2019 07:23 PM (Dc2NZ)
do a search with these words
"goggles with prescription lens"
You will get several hits. I would advise a fresh eye exam before ordering.
I'm not blaming lenses for my poor marksmanship. I stink. But I could use an assist.
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency,
fanatical devotion to the Pope) at November 24, 2019 07:23 PM (Dc2NZ)
do a search with these words
"goggles with prescription lens"
You will get several hits. I would advise a fresh eye exam before ordering.
Posted by: Lets go shooting at November 24, 2019 07:35 PM (vqIkG)
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70 Actually, the Jerry Miculek video was sent in by me. I forgot to sign the email.
Had to watch it again. It's great!
Posted by: Ex-ex at November 24, 2019 07:31 PM (RU4sa)
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Thanks Ex-Ex! How you doing, amigo?
Had to watch it again. It's great!
Posted by: Ex-ex at November 24, 2019 07:31 PM (RU4sa)
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Thanks Ex-Ex! How you doing, amigo?
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 07:36 PM (MVjcR)
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I think constant practice is better for skill
maintenance. But to get better, I suspect longer sessions work better. I
always feel like I'm JUST getting into the groove after 200 rounds.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 07:15 PM (d1uFV)
Since
this is more of a poll than something we have to prove, I am going with
practicing more often. Most think the issue if you are talking self
defense, is familiarity with the weapon and its workings. The more often
you do something the more likely it will become second nature.
You
see the same thing in golf. Some guys will go the range and hit 200
balls. But are the last 50 balls taken as seriously and is with much
focus as the first 150? And what point are you just "beating balls".
Yeah, come after me with that line lol.
I think having something part
of your normal routine is better unless you are sighting in or trying
to accomplish some other specific task.
I don't do either so this is just a lot of talk.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 07:22 PM (n13/j)
Not at all saying shooting 200 rounds is a lot. I happened to mention hitting 200 golf balls but that is a whole other thing. But if you are talking drawing the weapon, clearing malfuntions, off hand etc. at some point too many rounds is likely a diminishing returns thing if you don't shoot again for a long time. I think of it like the guy who goes to the gym and goes full blast. They often never come back after getting over all the muscle pain. At least that was me a few times lol.
maintenance. But to get better, I suspect longer sessions work better. I
always feel like I'm JUST getting into the groove after 200 rounds.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 07:15 PM (d1uFV)
Since
this is more of a poll than something we have to prove, I am going with
practicing more often. Most think the issue if you are talking self
defense, is familiarity with the weapon and its workings. The more often
you do something the more likely it will become second nature.
You
see the same thing in golf. Some guys will go the range and hit 200
balls. But are the last 50 balls taken as seriously and is with much
focus as the first 150? And what point are you just "beating balls".
Yeah, come after me with that line lol.
I think having something part
of your normal routine is better unless you are sighting in or trying
to accomplish some other specific task.
I don't do either so this is just a lot of talk.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 07:22 PM (n13/j)
Not at all saying shooting 200 rounds is a lot. I happened to mention hitting 200 golf balls but that is a whole other thing. But if you are talking drawing the weapon, clearing malfuntions, off hand etc. at some point too many rounds is likely a diminishing returns thing if you don't shoot again for a long time. I think of it like the guy who goes to the gym and goes full blast. They often never come back after getting over all the muscle pain. At least that was me a few times lol.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 07:37 PM (n13/j)
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A question kind-sorta related to range time, frequency...
Accuracy affected by barrel temp?
If I'm deer hunting the barrel is cold compared to sighting in/practice session.
Accuracy affected by barrel temp?
If I'm deer hunting the barrel is cold compared to sighting in/practice session.
Posted by: davidt at November 24, 2019 07:37 PM (l3+k2)
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Three Ospreys overflew my house earlier today. They must have been on their way to Travis AFB. Oh man.... THE VIBRATIONS! Everything in my house shook, even my teeth.
Posted by: Rusty Nail
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Had one fly over at relatively low altitude a while back. Trees limited my vision, and as I heard it coming my first thought was 'WTF? Helicopter?'.
Posted by: Rusty Nail
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Had one fly over at relatively low altitude a while back. Trees limited my vision, and as I heard it coming my first thought was 'WTF? Helicopter?'.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2019 07:37 PM (CDGwz)
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Eris, before I got my contacts I had a convo with my eye doctor and explained exactly what I needed. Turned out he had done many shooters' requests!
In any event, he made up a yellow tint safety glass with three different focus sections - trifocals, as it were. I could switch between front sight, target and long distance. The yellow helped in all lights.
In any event, he made up a yellow tint safety glass with three different focus sections - trifocals, as it were. I could switch between front sight, target and long distance. The yellow helped in all lights.
Posted by: RI Red at November 24, 2019 07:37 PM (p9zYu)
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This page has both left-handed and right-handed targets.
https://www.concealedcarryonline.com/print-targets/
Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 24, 2019 07:32 PM (+Kpte)
Thanks.
https://www.concealedcarryonline.com/print-targets/
Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 24, 2019 07:32 PM (+Kpte)
Thanks.
Posted by: tbodie at November 24, 2019 07:37 PM (I1MCJ)
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I got a chrome Chiappa Rhino 30DS this week but haven't fired it yet. It's so neat. Hard to find a more polarizing modern piece.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 24, 2019 07:39 PM (TLxpZ)
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48 ... There are little devices that will attach to your glasses. It has a diopter variable peep sight and allows you to focus better. It is a big help. Can't recall the name at the moment.
Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 07:39 PM (bmdz3)
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Thank you, RI Red!
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at November 24, 2019 07:39 PM (Dc2NZ)
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Well glasses are probably going to work best, unless you have toric contacts. Will your glasses let you focus on a point just past arm's length well enough?
Posted by: hogmartin at November 24, 2019 07:34 PM (t+qrx)
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My ophthalmologist says +2.5 readers focus at about that point.
Well glasses are probably going to work best, unless you have toric contacts. Will your glasses let you focus on a point just past arm's length well enough?
Posted by: hogmartin at November 24, 2019 07:34 PM (t+qrx)
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My ophthalmologist says +2.5 readers focus at about that point.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 07:39 PM (MVjcR)
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After hate-firing a couple of mags over the Luger
fiasco, I found a nice good stance and just killed it. My companion was
genuinely shocked at how much I improved. I guess I leveled up.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 07:27 PM (cfSRQ)
And then you have the issue of the guns you like to carry vs the ones you like to shoot. I love to carry a snubbie. But shooting them a lot with defense loads kind of sucks.
fiasco, I found a nice good stance and just killed it. My companion was
genuinely shocked at how much I improved. I guess I leveled up.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 07:27 PM (cfSRQ)
And then you have the issue of the guns you like to carry vs the ones you like to shoot. I love to carry a snubbie. But shooting them a lot with defense loads kind of sucks.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 07:39 PM (n13/j)
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Do you maybe have some undiagnosed astigmatism?
Posted by: hogmartin at November 24, 2019 07:26 PM (t+qrx)
It's not undiagnosed!
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency,
fanatical devotion to the Pope) at November 24, 2019 07:29 PM (Dc2NZ)
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A key question is: what are you using?
For a handgun at self-defense range, you don't necessarily need a ton of detail.
If you're going for precision distance marksmanship, optics make a lot of sense.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 24, 2019 07:26 PM (t+qrx)
It's not undiagnosed!
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency,
fanatical devotion to the Pope) at November 24, 2019 07:29 PM (Dc2NZ)
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A key question is: what are you using?
For a handgun at self-defense range, you don't necessarily need a ton of detail.
If you're going for precision distance marksmanship, optics make a lot of sense.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 07:40 PM (cfSRQ)
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Question for the revolver experts:
I just took delivery of a brand new Ruger SP101 in .22LR. Took it to the range and put 32 rounds through it. I got tired of pushing out every spent shell with a cleaning rod.
Yes, I absolutely could not budge the empties with the ejector rod. The rod fuctions smoothlyband eadily empty, and with unfired rounds. I'm guessing there is a problem with the size of the machining in the cylinder. Too big and it allows the cases to expand too much when firing? Or too tight? This happened with 3 different types of ammo.
Should I try polishing the insides, or send it back to Ruger?
Posted by: Pete Polarek at November 24, 2019 07:12 PM (C1NyB)
Make sure the cylinder is .22 LR and not .22 Mag. Look at the spent brass and see if any are split. That's a good indication of LR shot in Mag cylinder.
I just took delivery of a brand new Ruger SP101 in .22LR. Took it to the range and put 32 rounds through it. I got tired of pushing out every spent shell with a cleaning rod.
Yes, I absolutely could not budge the empties with the ejector rod. The rod fuctions smoothlyband eadily empty, and with unfired rounds. I'm guessing there is a problem with the size of the machining in the cylinder. Too big and it allows the cases to expand too much when firing? Or too tight? This happened with 3 different types of ammo.
Should I try polishing the insides, or send it back to Ruger?
Posted by: Pete Polarek at November 24, 2019 07:12 PM (C1NyB)
Make sure the cylinder is .22 LR and not .22 Mag. Look at the spent brass and see if any are split. That's a good indication of LR shot in Mag cylinder.
Posted by: Agitator at November 24, 2019 07:40 PM (VP1T8)
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88 I got a chrome Chiappa Rhino 30DS this week but haven't fired it yet. It's so neat. Hard to find a more polarizing modern piece.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 24, 2019 07:39 PM (TLxpZ)
Looks like Bladerunner gun. Pretty cool.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 24, 2019 07:39 PM (TLxpZ)
Looks like Bladerunner gun. Pretty cool.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 24, 2019 07:40 PM (1CjJc)
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Well glasses are probably going to work best, unless you have toric contacts. Will your glasses let you focus on a point just past arm's length well enough?
Posted by: hogmartin
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That's a problem for me, as it requires that I tilt my head up slightly, which is not instinctive.
Posted by: hogmartin
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That's a problem for me, as it requires that I tilt my head up slightly, which is not instinctive.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2019 07:40 PM (CDGwz)
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Scuba Dude - Do ranges in The People's Republic have a secret entrance and identification handshakes?
Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 07:41 PM (ZCEU2)
98
Thanks Ex-Ex! How you doing, amigo?
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 07:36 PM (MVjcR)
Great! SMH and I are helping the younger daughter get ready for the move to Missouri.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 07:36 PM (MVjcR)
Great! SMH and I are helping the younger daughter get ready for the move to Missouri.
Posted by: Ex-ex at November 24, 2019 07:41 PM (RU4sa)
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No need for thanks, Cardinal Eris. This is AOS.
Just bless me a little bit, for I have sinned. A lot.
Just bless me a little bit, for I have sinned. A lot.
Posted by: RI Red at November 24, 2019 07:42 PM (p9zYu)
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Quint, as a golfer before I would play a round I would get a bucket of at least 50 balls to warm up and get the muscle memory going.
If I was just going to the range it would be a minimum of 100 balls.
And every shot was taken just as seriously as the first. I never hit balls just to goof off and blow through them.
If I was just going to the range it would be a minimum of 100 balls.
And every shot was taken just as seriously as the first. I never hit balls just to goof off and blow through them.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 24, 2019 07:42 PM (ZfBVE)
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39, Hate to tell you this but I think that your Ruger is defective if you cleaned it up and can see no obvious problems in the chambers and the fact that you tried three different makes of ammo tends to confirm this. Polishing is generally useful when a chamber is rough, not really to enlarge them.
Posted by: whig at November 24, 2019 07:42 PM (MItID)
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84 A question kind-sorta related to range time, frequency...
Accuracy affected by barrel temp?
If I'm deer hunting the barrel is cold compared to sighting in/practice session.
Posted by: davidt at November 24, 2019 07:37 PM (l3+k2)
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A cold, clean barrel will impact differently than a warm, fouled barrel. It's probably not a big difference inside a few hundred yards,
Accuracy affected by barrel temp?
If I'm deer hunting the barrel is cold compared to sighting in/practice session.
Posted by: davidt at November 24, 2019 07:37 PM (l3+k2)
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A cold, clean barrel will impact differently than a warm, fouled barrel. It's probably not a big difference inside a few hundred yards,
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 07:42 PM (MVjcR)
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What is a good brand of USA-made AR-15 grips that also convert to a bi-pod? I saw a Chinese-made UTG that was quite nice for $60 but I don't want to buy Chinese stuff.
It's funny but I don't find the item I saw at the recent gun show on-line. I wonder if it was a knock-off?
It's funny but I don't find the item I saw at the recent gun show on-line. I wonder if it was a knock-off?
Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 24, 2019 07:44 PM (+Kpte)
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98 Thanks Ex-Ex! How you doing, amigo?
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 07:36 PM (MVjcR)
Great! SMH and I are helping the younger daughter get ready for the move to Missouri.
Posted by: Ex-ex at November 24, 2019 07:41 PM (RU4sa)
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Sorry. I'm donating a kidney that day and my truck is in the shop.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 07:36 PM (MVjcR)
Great! SMH and I are helping the younger daughter get ready for the move to Missouri.
Posted by: Ex-ex at November 24, 2019 07:41 PM (RU4sa)
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Sorry. I'm donating a kidney that day and my truck is in the shop.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 07:44 PM (MVjcR)
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That's a problem for me, as it requires that I tilt my head up slightly, which is not instinctive.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2019 07:40 PM (CDGwz)
Well it's not like you can help it if you happen to have excellent taste in shoes.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2019 07:40 PM (CDGwz)
Well it's not like you can help it if you happen to have excellent taste in shoes.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 24, 2019 07:44 PM (t+qrx)
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The AK was designed to be used with every little training. It is still
the weapon of choice for mouth breathers and booger eaters around the
world.
The AR is an overpriced 22 which loaded up with lasers, optics, custom stocks, triggers, mag releases and GPS satellite target beacons makes an excellent choice for tiny dicks with more dollars then sense.
the weapon of choice for mouth breathers and booger eaters around the
world.
The AR is an overpriced 22 which loaded up with lasers, optics, custom stocks, triggers, mag releases and GPS satellite target beacons makes an excellent choice for tiny dicks with more dollars then sense.
Posted by: mikeyG at November 24, 2019 07:44 PM (SX3FQ)
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And then you have the issue of the guns you like to
carry vs the ones you like to shoot. I love to carry a snubbie. But
shooting them a lot with defense loads kind of sucks.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 07:39 PM (n13/j)
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Yeah. Still, I think that none of the range time is wasted. You still learn good control techniques, reinforce safety, etc.
It's how seasoned shooters can quickly pick up a new weapon and make it sing for them.
carry vs the ones you like to shoot. I love to carry a snubbie. But
shooting them a lot with defense loads kind of sucks.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 07:39 PM (n13/j)
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Yeah. Still, I think that none of the range time is wasted. You still learn good control techniques, reinforce safety, etc.
It's how seasoned shooters can quickly pick up a new weapon and make it sing for them.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 07:44 PM (cfSRQ)
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A cold, clean barrel will impact differently than a warm, fouled barrel.
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Oh, not so differently as some might imagine.
Incidentally, it's never really clean.
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Oh, not so differently as some might imagine.
Incidentally, it's never really clean.
Posted by: The Barrel at November 24, 2019 07:45 PM (CDGwz)
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103 What is a good brand of USA-made AR-15 grips that also convert to a bi-pod? I saw a Chinese-made UTG that was quite nice for $60 but I don't want to buy Chinese stuff.
It's funny but I don't find the item I saw at the recent gun show on-line. I wonder if it was a knock-off?
Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 24, 2019 07:44 PM (+Kpte)
Grip pod with steel reinforced legs.
It's funny but I don't find the item I saw at the recent gun show on-line. I wonder if it was a knock-off?
Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 24, 2019 07:44 PM (+Kpte)
Grip pod with steel reinforced legs.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 24, 2019 07:45 PM (1CjJc)
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Mostly just due to current schedule and situation, usually a weekly handgun session at the indoor range, but lately not much outdoor range/rifle time. Last week a "red flag" fire situation [dry, hot] cancelled a rifle match, that was followed 3 days later by torrential rains, which cancelled duty day at the outdoor range. Rage. Anyway, need more outdoor time.
For indoor I typically vary the platform [XD, 1911, CZ-83, Model 66] week to week, and always try to work on one-handed, both sides, and other variations. Not just static bullseye work.
For indoor I typically vary the platform [XD, 1911, CZ-83, Model 66] week to week, and always try to work on one-handed, both sides, and other variations. Not just static bullseye work.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 24, 2019 07:45 PM (QDnY+)
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I did get to t he range this week with the 41 magnum and the Taurus Tracker in 22lr. The 41 mag is still a work in progress but I'm getting better. I believe my cast bullet handloads will make a big difference. The 22lr Tracker is more accurate than I am. So much fun.
Last week I talked about the 41 magnum in a Ruger Blackhawk. I was trying to describe why it was so much fun. The phrase I finally came up with is 'oddly satisfying'. The round has enough oomph so you are aware of the power in your hands but still comfortable to fire, even with heavy loads. And it is accurate up to 100 yards (so far). It's an interesting mix. I would love to find a Contender barrel for the caliber.
Last week I talked about the 41 magnum in a Ruger Blackhawk. I was trying to describe why it was so much fun. The phrase I finally came up with is 'oddly satisfying'. The round has enough oomph so you are aware of the power in your hands but still comfortable to fire, even with heavy loads. And it is accurate up to 100 yards (so far). It's an interesting mix. I would love to find a Contender barrel for the caliber.
Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 07:45 PM (bmdz3)
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No offense to the AR folks. I am bi-tactical myself.
Posted by: mikeyG at November 24, 2019 07:46 PM (SX3FQ)
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Haha! We're doing it a little at a time. We've already built new fences. Next weekend I have to build a small horse shelter.
Posted by: Ex-ex at November 24, 2019 07:46 PM (RU4sa)
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108 A cold, clean barrel will impact differently than a warm, fouled barrel.
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Oh, not so differently as some might imagine.
Incidentally, it's never really clean.
Posted by: The Barrel at November 24, 2019 07:45 PM (CDGwz)
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In your case, I stand corrected!!
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Oh, not so differently as some might imagine.
Incidentally, it's never really clean.
Posted by: The Barrel at November 24, 2019 07:45 PM (CDGwz)
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In your case, I stand corrected!!
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 07:46 PM (MVjcR)
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Not at the range but shot a 6pt buck, ran say 165 lbs last Thursday at 0900 Cherokee County Texas.. About 85 yds 30-06 150 grain Fusion. Mrs. E in marinating jerky right now and will start making sausage tomorrow.
Posted by: Eromero at November 24, 2019 07:46 PM (UUkQp)
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Contact Ruger supprt and they'll probably send you a new cylinder. I bought an LCPII from Grabagun, didn't inspect it very well at the FFL and got home to find it was missing the entire extractor mechanism and spring. Grabagun said there was nothing they could do since I did the transfer. One email to Ruger with pics and they sent everything to me within a week no questions asked.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 24, 2019 07:46 PM (TLxpZ)
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Skip, the range I met RPL at in Manhattan I almost walked by. Just a small plaque on the building.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 24, 2019 07:46 PM (ZfBVE)
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Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless
efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at November 24, 2019 07:29 PM
I'm still laughing way too hard at this nic.
efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at November 24, 2019 07:29 PM
I'm still laughing way too hard at this nic.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 24, 2019 07:46 PM (rBtIz)
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I could switch between front sight, target and long distance. The yellow helped in all lights.
Posted by: RI Red at November 24, 2019 07:37 PM (p9zYu)
Wise words.
*clears throat*
https://stoatnet.org/dl_frontsight.jpg
Posted by: RI Red at November 24, 2019 07:37 PM (p9zYu)
Wise words.
*clears throat*
https://stoatnet.org/dl_frontsight.jpg
Posted by: hogmartin at November 24, 2019 07:46 PM (t+qrx)
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The AR is an overpriced 22 which loaded up with lasers, optics, custom stocks, triggers, mag releases and GPS satellite target beacons makes an excellent choice for tiny dicks with more dollars then sense.
Posted by: mikeyG
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I sense a certain...antipathy towards AR's.
Posted by: mikeyG
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I sense a certain...antipathy towards AR's.
Posted by: The Barrel at November 24, 2019 07:46 PM (xSo9G)
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Ruger will make it right if there's a manufacturing defect. Might call them. They can polish the cylinders, at least.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 24, 2019 07:47 PM (QDnY+)
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Posted by: The Barrel at November 24, 2019 07:45 PM (CDGwz)
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In your case, I stand corrected!!
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 07:46 PM
Have The Barrel's origins ever been discussed? I mean, is it Krieger? Hart? Inquiring minds and all that...
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In your case, I stand corrected!!
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 07:46 PM
Have The Barrel's origins ever been discussed? I mean, is it Krieger? Hart? Inquiring minds and all that...
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 24, 2019 07:48 PM (rBtIz)
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Quint, as a golfer before I would play a round I
would get a bucket of at least 50 balls to warm up and get the muscle
memory going.
If I was just going to the range it would be a minimum of 100 balls.
And every shot was taken just as seriously as the first. I never hit balls just to goof off and blow through them.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 24, 2019 07:42 PM (ZfBVE)
it always depends on the individual. Nick Faldo used to hit 300 balls a day and often more. I could never get close to that number. I would lose my focus. In golf, like in shooting, you have to mix it up as well. You can't just shoot at the same target to perfect it. You need to acquire different targets as that is a skill as well.
To each his own really. We are all different and can't tell someone one way is right and one is wrong. I personally think with firearms the key is regular handling. To make the weapon's use second nature. Things that become second nature take time normally.
Today, I can't hit a bunch of balls as it will likely mess up my back. This might be of interest, but then maybe not. In general, PGA Tour players hit only a few balls before playing their round, they are only trying to get loose. They do their real practice after the round. You never see that on tv. They practice because they see a flaw and have something to work on now. Before the round, they only hit to get loose and see where their game is at that moment. They have to play with that game in the round. Only later can they try to fix issues.
would get a bucket of at least 50 balls to warm up and get the muscle
memory going.
If I was just going to the range it would be a minimum of 100 balls.
And every shot was taken just as seriously as the first. I never hit balls just to goof off and blow through them.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 24, 2019 07:42 PM (ZfBVE)
it always depends on the individual. Nick Faldo used to hit 300 balls a day and often more. I could never get close to that number. I would lose my focus. In golf, like in shooting, you have to mix it up as well. You can't just shoot at the same target to perfect it. You need to acquire different targets as that is a skill as well.
To each his own really. We are all different and can't tell someone one way is right and one is wrong. I personally think with firearms the key is regular handling. To make the weapon's use second nature. Things that become second nature take time normally.
Today, I can't hit a bunch of balls as it will likely mess up my back. This might be of interest, but then maybe not. In general, PGA Tour players hit only a few balls before playing their round, they are only trying to get loose. They do their real practice after the round. You never see that on tv. They practice because they see a flaw and have something to work on now. Before the round, they only hit to get loose and see where their game is at that moment. They have to play with that game in the round. Only later can they try to fix issues.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 07:48 PM (n13/j)
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My friend takes his sons to the range except when they visit their grandmother in the city. There's an indoor range a few blocks from her house, but they can't go alone 'cause minors. So their uncle who is not gun-friendly has to go with them. He can't say no to the nephews!
Posted by: kallisto at November 24, 2019 07:48 PM (YCpVK)
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Hey everybody.
Weasel and others, thanks for the great advice on Sig Sauer vs Ruger and other guns' reliability yesterday. It's appreciated.
Just one question though: if you stuff your gun barrel full of germanic pickled cabbage, does that mean you've made Sig Sauerkraut?
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Weasel and others, thanks for the great advice on Sig Sauer vs Ruger and other guns' reliability yesterday. It's appreciated.
Just one question though: if you stuff your gun barrel full of germanic pickled cabbage, does that mean you've made Sig Sauerkraut?
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Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 07:49 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 24, 2019 07:49 PM (yQpMk)
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I did take inventory this week of the weapons and took pics by means of
my digital camera. The micro SD cards are so cheap now I just threw it
into my safe deposit box with the weapon pics and data on it.
I'm becoming increasingly suspect of taking videos or pictures on my
iphone and storing any weapon data there or on the cloud. I don't trust
my betters to not try to infringe upon my rights.
Le Sigh.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 24, 2019 07:14 PM (Y4EXg)"
..
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I haven't let weapon pics touch the cloud or pass through gmail, etc, for 10+ years now. People need to start thinking long term and reducing their exposure for the worst-case.
Credit card records and phone tracking (for those using cash) will point out 90+ % of firearm owners, but they don't inherently give information on what exactly you have.
I did take inventory this week of the weapons and took pics by means of
my digital camera. The micro SD cards are so cheap now I just threw it
into my safe deposit box with the weapon pics and data on it.
I'm becoming increasingly suspect of taking videos or pictures on my
iphone and storing any weapon data there or on the cloud. I don't trust
my betters to not try to infringe upon my rights.
Le Sigh.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 24, 2019 07:14 PM (Y4EXg)"
..
..
I haven't let weapon pics touch the cloud or pass through gmail, etc, for 10+ years now. People need to start thinking long term and reducing their exposure for the worst-case.
Credit card records and phone tracking (for those using cash) will point out 90+ % of firearm owners, but they don't inherently give information on what exactly you have.
Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at November 24, 2019 07:50 PM (67XdO)
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I sense a certain...antipathy towards AR's.
Posted by: The Barrel
You are correct if you assume that I have been in too many conversations situations where elitist AR owners without basic marksmanship and often safety skills stroke off to the latest thousand dollar doodad they stuck on their rails.
Nothing wrong with an AR. Nothing magic about it either.
Posted by: The Barrel
You are correct if you assume that I have been in too many conversations situations where elitist AR owners without basic marksmanship and often safety skills stroke off to the latest thousand dollar doodad they stuck on their rails.
Nothing wrong with an AR. Nothing magic about it either.
Posted by: mikeyG at November 24, 2019 07:50 PM (SX3FQ)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 07:50 PM (L2ZTs)
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Here's the Ruger online support form I used. It took two days for the first response from them but after that I had the parts in a few days:
https://bit.ly/2OK5EFO
https://bit.ly/2OK5EFO
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 24, 2019 07:50 PM (TLxpZ)
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The AR is an overpriced 22 which loaded up with
lasers, optics, custom stocks, triggers, mag releases and GPS satellite
target beacons makes an excellent choice for tiny dicks with more
dollars then sense.
Posted by: mikeyG at November 24, 2019 07:44 PM (SX3FQ)
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Meh, I don't know about the overpriced thing. They're getting pretty cheap these days. Mine sure was.
I keep meaning to buy an AK but it's hard to justify a gun that's basically a clunky AR that I can feel crap ammo without guilt. Seems like an exercise in displaced sadism or self-hate on the part of the owners, who wish they had the sexual prowess of sophisticated AR owners.
lasers, optics, custom stocks, triggers, mag releases and GPS satellite
target beacons makes an excellent choice for tiny dicks with more
dollars then sense.
Posted by: mikeyG at November 24, 2019 07:44 PM (SX3FQ)
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Meh, I don't know about the overpriced thing. They're getting pretty cheap these days. Mine sure was.
I keep meaning to buy an AK but it's hard to justify a gun that's basically a clunky AR that I can feel crap ammo without guilt. Seems like an exercise in displaced sadism or self-hate on the part of the owners, who wish they had the sexual prowess of sophisticated AR owners.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 07:50 PM (cfSRQ)
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Okay- guns, I rezeroed my hunting rifle today. Required no adjustments. Back up required one quarter inch left. Hooray! Ready to kill deer. OT- secnav apparently requested prez shut up and let process play out, promising Gallagher would retire with trident. At same time, released statement in support of fair and impartial due process under ucmj. Was this another attempted set up?
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 24, 2019 07:50 PM (87EdW)
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Nothing wrong with an AR. Nothing magic about it either.
Posted by: mikeyG at November 24, 2019 07:50 PM (SX3FQ)
I have a carbon 15 with pencil barrel. It is magically light.
Posted by: mikeyG at November 24, 2019 07:50 PM (SX3FQ)
I have a carbon 15 with pencil barrel. It is magically light.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 24, 2019 07:51 PM (1CjJc)
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Have The Barrel's origins ever been discussed? I mean, is it Krieger? Hart? Inquiring minds and all that...
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 24, 2019 07:48 PM (rBtIz)
The barrel went online on August 4th, 1997. It began to learn at a geometric rate. It became self-aware 2:14 AM, Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they tried to pull the bung.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 24, 2019 07:48 PM (rBtIz)
The barrel went online on August 4th, 1997. It began to learn at a geometric rate. It became self-aware 2:14 AM, Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they tried to pull the bung.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 24, 2019 07:51 PM (t+qrx)
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Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 24, 2019 07:50 PM (87EdW)
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You know, I almost included a little blurb on rifle zeroing today! Next week.
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You know, I almost included a little blurb on rifle zeroing today! Next week.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 07:52 PM (MVjcR)
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hogmartin, I always thought the Barrel was expelled whole from an actual Black Hole and landed here at the blog quite by accident/serendipity.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 07:52 PM (L2ZTs)
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The Barrel prefers the AR-15 in the .300 AAC blackout caliber platform and will not be so tolerant in the future!
Posted by: Tentotwo at November 24, 2019 07:53 PM (yhf6w)
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who wish they had the sexual prowess of sophisticated AR owners.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
lol
Even my penis has Russian red wood furniture.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
lol
Even my penis has Russian red wood furniture.
Posted by: mikeyG at November 24, 2019 07:53 PM (SX3FQ)
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 07:53 PM (MVjcR)
140
Short sessions to work on perfect form, but also some marathon sessions where you work on endurance, and making sure your base form does not break down when tired.
Posted by: Don Q.
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That is a very good idea.
I went to the 'range' yesterday. Mostly for the little Nerada to practice on the 30 30.
Posted by: Don Q.
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That is a very good idea.
I went to the 'range' yesterday. Mostly for the little Nerada to practice on the 30 30.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 24, 2019 07:53 PM (CZO12)
141
Does anyone here own a PSA AR? What do you think of it?
I've got a couple of rifles bought complete and a half dozen or so I've assembled from their parts. Universally good, accurate, and dependable rifles. Don't recall any problems with any. Unless it's something special PSA does not have, I look there first.
I've got a couple of rifles bought complete and a half dozen or so I've assembled from their parts. Universally good, accurate, and dependable rifles. Don't recall any problems with any. Unless it's something special PSA does not have, I look there first.
Posted by: Agitator at November 24, 2019 07:53 PM (VP1T8)
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The Barrel was Rolled Out.
Posted by: Frankie Yankovich at November 24, 2019 07:54 PM (l3+k2)
Posted by: Pete Polarek at November 24, 2019 07:54 PM (C1NyB)
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Quint, what I did when I practiced golf is I would start with the Pitching Wedge and work my way up to the driver. Main reason I am using the irons more than the driver. There is a saying I always think of, Drive for show, Putt for dough.
In regards to my shooting, if I am going to an indoor range and just shooting my Sig I start with the target at 5 yards and just work on my basics ( I am still new to this as far as I am concerned) and just aim for the center of the target and get nice small groups, I then end with a drill my friend does that the Air Force has them do, 2 shots to center mass followed by 1 to the head. After that I move the target farther away and repeat.
Today I shot 230 rounds, 130 at 5 yards, 100 at 10
In regards to my shooting, if I am going to an indoor range and just shooting my Sig I start with the target at 5 yards and just work on my basics ( I am still new to this as far as I am concerned) and just aim for the center of the target and get nice small groups, I then end with a drill my friend does that the Air Force has them do, 2 shots to center mass followed by 1 to the head. After that I move the target farther away and repeat.
Today I shot 230 rounds, 130 at 5 yards, 100 at 10
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 24, 2019 07:54 PM (ZfBVE)
145
I haven't let weapon pics touch the cloud or pass
through gmail, etc, for 10+ years now. People need to start thinking
long term and reducing their exposure for the worst-case.
Credit card
records and phone tracking (for those using cash) will point out 90+ %
of firearm owners, but they don't inherently give information on what
exactly you have.
Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at November 24, 2019 07:50 PM (67XdO)
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So what?
There's 100 million of us. That - not privacy - is the real defense.
Michigan has more than 300,000 adults with carry permits. Any legislator wanting to repeal that has to weigh those 300,000 armed voters in the balance.
And they know the State Police and local law enforcement aren't going to lift a finger to get those guns, either.
It's interesting that local law enforcement is turning the tables on this and basically saying "yeah, you can go enforce those laws yourselves, we'll take a pass."
Even in Illinois the State Police said that when someone pops up as having an illegal gun, their policy isn't to go get it. Too dangerous.
through gmail, etc, for 10+ years now. People need to start thinking
long term and reducing their exposure for the worst-case.
Credit card
records and phone tracking (for those using cash) will point out 90+ %
of firearm owners, but they don't inherently give information on what
exactly you have.
Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at November 24, 2019 07:50 PM (67XdO)
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So what?
There's 100 million of us. That - not privacy - is the real defense.
Michigan has more than 300,000 adults with carry permits. Any legislator wanting to repeal that has to weigh those 300,000 armed voters in the balance.
And they know the State Police and local law enforcement aren't going to lift a finger to get those guns, either.
It's interesting that local law enforcement is turning the tables on this and basically saying "yeah, you can go enforce those laws yourselves, we'll take a pass."
Even in Illinois the State Police said that when someone pops up as having an illegal gun, their policy isn't to go get it. Too dangerous.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 07:54 PM (cfSRQ)
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Scuba Dude -was kidding but not surprised for them keeping a low profile
Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 07:55 PM (ZCEU2)
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 24, 2019 07:55 PM (VmtzM)
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lol
Even my penis has Russian red wood furniture.
Posted by: mikeyG at November 24, 2019 07:53 PM (SX3FQ)
Flaking eyesore?
Even my penis has Russian red wood furniture.
Posted by: mikeyG at November 24, 2019 07:53 PM (SX3FQ)
Flaking eyesore?
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 24, 2019 07:55 PM (1CjJc)
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Seriously, though.
My experience with shooting high round counts is that I tend reinforce bad habits.
I think it has to do with the fine line between "training" vs "testing".
My experience with shooting high round counts is that I tend reinforce bad habits.
I think it has to do with the fine line between "training" vs "testing".
Posted by: mikeyG at November 24, 2019 07:56 PM (SX3FQ)
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My back up I'd a psa at in 7.62.39 (so .30 caliber but AR-dont know how to square that upthread). Ive been very pleased with it.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 24, 2019 07:56 PM (87EdW)
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Yeah. Still, I think that none of the range time is wasted. You still learn good control techniques, reinforce safety, etc.
It's how seasoned shooters can quickly pick up a new weapon and make it sing for them.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 07:44 PM (cfSRQ)
agreed. There is an old line about the man who owns one gun is dangerous. But no doubt mixing it up is a good way to go as well. Every bit of training is better than time spent not training.
This might seem an odd example but it is nothing new for me to simply state what comes to mind. There are a group of people who argue over which Bible translation is best. It is actually fun to do this as there are so many good arguments. Someone will say it has to be KJV. Someone else will say it should be the most modern English paraphrase as that will reach the most people and they will be clear on the text.
They asked a Biblical scholar which Bible version you should choose. His answer was, the one that you read.
In the end, what is best for you is what you actually do. I now i am often at fault because I like to opine on theory vs just doing it.
It's how seasoned shooters can quickly pick up a new weapon and make it sing for them.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 07:44 PM (cfSRQ)
agreed. There is an old line about the man who owns one gun is dangerous. But no doubt mixing it up is a good way to go as well. Every bit of training is better than time spent not training.
This might seem an odd example but it is nothing new for me to simply state what comes to mind. There are a group of people who argue over which Bible translation is best. It is actually fun to do this as there are so many good arguments. Someone will say it has to be KJV. Someone else will say it should be the most modern English paraphrase as that will reach the most people and they will be clear on the text.
They asked a Biblical scholar which Bible version you should choose. His answer was, the one that you read.
In the end, what is best for you is what you actually do. I now i am often at fault because I like to opine on theory vs just doing it.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 07:56 PM (n13/j)
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In music, you played the damned thing over and over and over again until you get it right.
Or until someone shoots you...
Or until someone shoots you...
Posted by: navybrat, at large at November 24, 2019 07:56 PM (w7KSn)
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Although I have a spent case from one, I've never seen an AK-74, nor heard any discussion about it.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2019 07:56 PM (CDGwz)
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136 hogmartin, I always thought the Barrel was expelled whole from an actual Black Hole and landed here at the blog quite by accident/serendipity.
Posted by: qdpsteve
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There are no accidents.
ps - All were made in my likeness so, 9mm, .45 ACP, .357 - it's all good.
"And you, be fruitful and multiply, increase greatly on the earth and multiply in it."
Posted by: qdpsteve
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There are no accidents.
ps - All were made in my likeness so, 9mm, .45 ACP, .357 - it's all good.
"And you, be fruitful and multiply, increase greatly on the earth and multiply in it."
Posted by: God at November 24, 2019 07:57 PM (Y4EXg)
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 24, 2019 07:57 PM (VmtzM)
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Excuse me, why does God need a gun?
Posted by: Capt James T Kirk at November 24, 2019 07:58 PM (l3+k2)
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Just did 50 rounds of 45ACP and hope to do 100 more today [reloading].
I usually do runs of 500 now, so after I do that with the 45 it'll be on to 9mikemike. Good thing about that caliber is when I drink, I can do brass prep [really just decap/resize, then clean off lube], and when not, I can reload. Two steps with 9mm cuz lubrication to do resizing.
Then, it'll be on to the tougher brass work - prepping 30-06 brass [for the M1]. The greatest battle implement ever devised beats the bejeesus out of the brass, dents the rims, so it's fairly arduous. And there's inspection, primer pocket reaming for the 1st-time fired surplus, and trimming. I've also sorta gone to weighing every charge, like some kinda fancy sophistimicated precision shooter like our Weasel, but in this case just for total safety in a high-pressure semi-auto.
Lee turret press.
I usually do runs of 500 now, so after I do that with the 45 it'll be on to 9mikemike. Good thing about that caliber is when I drink, I can do brass prep [really just decap/resize, then clean off lube], and when not, I can reload. Two steps with 9mm cuz lubrication to do resizing.
Then, it'll be on to the tougher brass work - prepping 30-06 brass [for the M1]. The greatest battle implement ever devised beats the bejeesus out of the brass, dents the rims, so it's fairly arduous. And there's inspection, primer pocket reaming for the 1st-time fired surplus, and trimming. I've also sorta gone to weighing every charge, like some kinda fancy sophistimicated precision shooter like our Weasel, but in this case just for total safety in a high-pressure semi-auto.
Lee turret press.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 24, 2019 07:58 PM (QDnY+)
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Since we're talking ARs (among other things), here's a legit question.
I have an old A2, full length heavy barrel, shoots well and all that, but the factory trigger has a ridiculously heavy pull. I've been meaning to find a good drop in replacement trigger group. Any of the Horde have thoughts on good replacement options?
I have an old A2, full length heavy barrel, shoots well and all that, but the factory trigger has a ridiculously heavy pull. I've been meaning to find a good drop in replacement trigger group. Any of the Horde have thoughts on good replacement options?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 24, 2019 07:58 PM (rBtIz)
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AR vs AK.........Let's not forget the FN FAL.
Mikhail K said the FN FAL was a sports car compared to his rifle.
But sometimes, you only need a pick up truck to get the job done.
Mikhail K said the FN FAL was a sports car compared to his rifle.
But sometimes, you only need a pick up truck to get the job done.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 24, 2019 07:59 PM (Z+IKu)
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Can't wait til next week to zero- Florida has a 3 day deer season over Thanksgiving (at least in zone d), had to get it done today. But I don't follow Gunny Hathcock's process. Fired 3 rounds at 25 yds, made a clover, went home.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 24, 2019 07:59 PM (87EdW)
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I'm going to drop out early tonight. I'm writing a gun fight scene in my latest book, so I'm going to claim an excused absence.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 08:00 PM (cfSRQ)
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146. Skip there's a range in the heart of the Italian Market on 9th St. I walked by it hundreds of times and didn't even know it.
Posted by: kallisto at November 24, 2019 08:00 PM (YCpVK)
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Posted by: rhomboid at November 24, 2019 07:58 PM (QDnY+)
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One of these days I will write about my ridiculous match ammo reloading process.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 24, 2019 07:58 PM (QDnY+)
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One of these days I will write about my ridiculous match ammo reloading process.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:00 PM (MVjcR)
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Since a different crowd here as was this morning at American Thinker a artical about a Red Flag that could have gotten very ugly had the weapons owner ramped it up to what the authorities did after a person reported a Red Flag.
They do appear to have him on a magazine holding more than the 7 rounds the Socialists have allowed in NY.
They do appear to have him on a magazine holding more than the 7 rounds the Socialists have allowed in NY.
Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 08:00 PM (ZCEU2)
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161 I'm going to drop out early tonight. I'm writing a gun fight scene in my latest book, so I'm going to claim an excused absence.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 08:00 PM (cfSRQ)
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'night AHL!
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 08:00 PM (cfSRQ)
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'night AHL!
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:01 PM (MVjcR)
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I use a cz 527, zero at 25/200, which puts the point of impact at +3ish at 50/100. Expect to shoot nothing further than 100, mostly inside 50 from my hunty house.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 24, 2019 08:02 PM (87EdW)
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Since we're talking ARs (among other things), here's a legit question.
I
have an old A2, full length heavy barrel, shoots well and all that, but
the factory trigger has a ridiculously heavy pull. I've been meaning to
find a good drop in replacement trigger group. Any of the Horde have
thoughts on good replacement options?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 24, 2019 07:58 PM (rBtIz)
I am not expert by far. There are likely some really good drop in devices. But I have had some work done on a few guns and always did it with a reputable gunsmith. Yes they cost a lot. The really good guys take a lot of time as a standard. And for some reason, a lot of them are cantankerous for what reason I do not know. But, when you get it back. you have something that will last a long, long time. I have never regretted getting trigger work from a top notch smith. Though it seems forever when you are waiting.
I
have an old A2, full length heavy barrel, shoots well and all that, but
the factory trigger has a ridiculously heavy pull. I've been meaning to
find a good drop in replacement trigger group. Any of the Horde have
thoughts on good replacement options?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 24, 2019 07:58 PM (rBtIz)
I am not expert by far. There are likely some really good drop in devices. But I have had some work done on a few guns and always did it with a reputable gunsmith. Yes they cost a lot. The really good guys take a lot of time as a standard. And for some reason, a lot of them are cantankerous for what reason I do not know. But, when you get it back. you have something that will last a long, long time. I have never regretted getting trigger work from a top notch smith. Though it seems forever when you are waiting.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 08:03 PM (n13/j)
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at November 24, 2019 08:03 PM (m6W70)
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161 I'm going to drop out early tonight. I'm writing a gun fight scene
in my latest book, so I'm going to claim an excused absence.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 08:00 PM (cfSRQ)
where are your books? Where can people find them?
in my latest book, so I'm going to claim an excused absence.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 24, 2019 08:00 PM (cfSRQ)
where are your books? Where can people find them?
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 08:04 PM (n13/j)
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Skip, this is the Peoples Republic of NYC, I was amazed I did not have to wade through protestors to get in!!
Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 24, 2019 08:04 PM (ZfBVE)
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Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 24, 2019 07:58 PM (rBtIz)
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Have you looked at Geissele?
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Have you looked at Geissele?
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:05 PM (MVjcR)
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And it was nice to pick up nearly a half-case of 5.56 green tip at the range, last duty day. There were more, but I'm being extremely conservative about any major dents in the cases - might disassemble those for practice, cuz I'm a cheap reloader/recycler who like our noble oppressed non-native native population uses every part of the animal. Powder will go on the lettuce garden, can save the projectiles for the day I've finally built my AR.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 24, 2019 08:06 PM (QDnY+)
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do they yawl exiting a barrel?
Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 07:03 PM (ZCEU2)
Only the southern ones.
Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 07:03 PM (ZCEU2)
Only the southern ones.
Posted by: GWB at November 24, 2019 08:06 PM (VM0fq)
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171 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 24, 2019 07:58 PM (rBtIz)
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Have you looked at Geissele?
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:05 PM (MVjcR)
I did, but Tom threatened to throw a football up my butt.
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Have you looked at Geissele?
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:05 PM (MVjcR)
I did, but Tom threatened to throw a football up my butt.
Posted by: RI Red at November 24, 2019 08:07 PM (p9zYu)
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156 Excuse me, why does God need a gun?
Posted by: Capt James T Kirk at November 24, 2019 07:58 PM (l3+k2)
I can't stop laughing.
Posted by: Capt James T Kirk at November 24, 2019 07:58 PM (l3+k2)
I can't stop laughing.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 24, 2019 08:07 PM (TdMsT)
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Mike Hammer @ 153- I believe the copkiller in Dallas was found with a AK74, although film from the previous year at Houston showed him at a 'protest' with an AR. The AK74 round is near to an AR round but just different enough to not be interchangeable. Battlefield pickups and such like.
Posted by: Eromero at November 24, 2019 08:07 PM (UUkQp)
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Have you looked at Geissele?
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:05 PM
I have not. Will do.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:05 PM
I have not. Will do.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 24, 2019 08:07 PM (rBtIz)
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Heh. Son is coming here for Christmas after his first semester at NCState. His text to me was "Dad, are there any indoor ranges around you in case the weather does not cooperate for the outdoor range? Because I want to go multiple times."
Heh, now that he is 18, I am going to add ammo to my Christmas list. Not that I NEED any, but to give him the opportunity to buy some for the first time. And I want some stocking stuffers.
Heh, now that he is 18, I am going to add ammo to my Christmas list. Not that I NEED any, but to give him the opportunity to buy some for the first time. And I want some stocking stuffers.
Posted by: SacredCow at November 24, 2019 08:07 PM (D4VQX)
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A H Lloyd, in re the Luger, does it have matching serial numbers? The tolerances are so tight that if it has a an aftermarket extractor, that could cause failure to fully cycle.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 24, 2019 08:07 PM (CZO12)
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I did, but Tom threatened to throw a football up my butt.
Posted by: RI Red at November 24, 2019 08:07 PM (p9zYu)
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Buncha comedians, huh?
Posted by: RI Red at November 24, 2019 08:07 PM (p9zYu)
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Buncha comedians, huh?
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:07 PM (MVjcR)
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In regards to posting pictures of anything gun related I refrain from posting any on my Facebook page or anything with my real name. My pictures will only be shared with friends through text or email or with you folks with pictures submitted to the gun thread email. And of course I will NEVER let the serial # be photographed.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 24, 2019 08:08 PM (ZfBVE)
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Cold, blustery day here, today. Went out to the garage and messed with a little John Deere chainsaw I salvaged from the dump. Made in Japan, it was. Cleaned it up, replaced the busted recoil cord, put a little gas in the carb, and it cranked right up, and ran a few seconds. OK, let's put it all back together. Began to fill the fuel tank, and gas ran right out on the floor, from the bottom of the saw, somewhere. Dumped the remaining fuel out, and left it while I ponder. Will probably have to tear it down again to find the leak.
Sucker has an almost-new Oregon roller tip bar and chain on it, too.
To keep this gun-related, once I get the chainsaw out of the way, I can free up bench space to resume making a new striker for the Chinese Mystery Pistol. Striker is half-made at this point. Outside diameter is done, firing pin (integral) is done, but may need to be shortened, and the spur at the end which engages the sear is done. What remains to do is to drill a row of transverse holes, and file them into a slot for the operating link to work in.
Sucker has an almost-new Oregon roller tip bar and chain on it, too.
To keep this gun-related, once I get the chainsaw out of the way, I can free up bench space to resume making a new striker for the Chinese Mystery Pistol. Striker is half-made at this point. Outside diameter is done, firing pin (integral) is done, but may need to be shortened, and the spur at the end which engages the sear is done. What remains to do is to drill a row of transverse holes, and file them into a slot for the operating link to work in.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 24, 2019 08:09 PM (/sgva)
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:09 PM (MVjcR)
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"Someone will say it has to be KJV."
It was good enough for Saint Paul, it's good enough for me!
(There's actually a Babylon Bee bit on that.)
It was good enough for Saint Paul, it's good enough for me!
(There's actually a Babylon Bee bit on that.)
Posted by: GWB at November 24, 2019 08:10 PM (VM0fq)
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167, Due to the nature of the AR series triggers, you are better off getting a cartridge group than messing around with having a gunsmith do a trigger job on it or doing it your self.
A lot depends on whether you want a two stage (like the old military rifles) or a single stage which is what the AR was designed to do from the get go. Folks used to older rifles often prefer the two stage as familiar while folks that began their career with AR's usually prefer single stage triggers.
For the money LaRue makes a great trigger. Geissle is also good but more pricey. And there are some others that make cartridge triggers using different triggers, etc. Head over to Brownells and read the reviews (or Midway usa) and you will get a pretty good review of the triggers and what they do.
You can also buy poor man's trigger jobs with PSA, ALG, Stoner (Midway's brand), and others where the std. trigger and disconnector have been polished and usually coated/nitrided to make them slicker.
A lot depends on whether you want a two stage (like the old military rifles) or a single stage which is what the AR was designed to do from the get go. Folks used to older rifles often prefer the two stage as familiar while folks that began their career with AR's usually prefer single stage triggers.
For the money LaRue makes a great trigger. Geissle is also good but more pricey. And there are some others that make cartridge triggers using different triggers, etc. Head over to Brownells and read the reviews (or Midway usa) and you will get a pretty good review of the triggers and what they do.
You can also buy poor man's trigger jobs with PSA, ALG, Stoner (Midway's brand), and others where the std. trigger and disconnector have been polished and usually coated/nitrided to make them slicker.
Posted by: whig at November 24, 2019 08:10 PM (MItID)
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do they yawl exiting a barrel?
Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 07:03 PM (ZCEU2)
Only the southern ones.
Posted by: GWB at November 24, 2019 08:06 PM (VM0fq)
I knew there was a ketch.
Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 07:03 PM (ZCEU2)
Only the southern ones.
Posted by: GWB at November 24, 2019 08:06 PM (VM0fq)
I knew there was a ketch.
Posted by: DR.WTF at November 24, 2019 08:10 PM (aS1PU)
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Yesterday I had a round count of exactly 0. Cap went off both times. Elk got away. Almost threw the muzzleloader after the second time.
Posted by: Igotnothing at November 24, 2019 08:12 PM (xf2hT)
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Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 24, 2019 08:09 PM (/sgva)
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I have a Stihl 211 in the truck that needs a new oil line. The replacement part is in a baggie on the front seat. So far they haven't gotten together.
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I have a Stihl 211 in the truck that needs a new oil line. The replacement part is in a baggie on the front seat. So far they haven't gotten together.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:12 PM (MVjcR)
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Click on AH Lloyd's nic for his books
Posted by: Skip at November 24, 2019 08:14 PM (ZCEU2)
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183 Posted by: Ladyl at November 24, 2019 08:07 PM (TdMsT)
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Well, how-do, ma'am!
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:09 PM (MVjcR)
Hi Weasel!
I'm the token know-nothing here. It's like you all are speaking a different language.
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Well, how-do, ma'am!
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:09 PM (MVjcR)
Hi Weasel!
I'm the token know-nothing here. It's like you all are speaking a different language.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 24, 2019 08:15 PM (TdMsT)
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Thanks for the suggestions, Horde. Time for some trigger research...
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 24, 2019 08:15 PM (rBtIz)
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Posted by: whig at November 24, 2019 08:10 PM (MItID)
I defer to this. My only experience with trigger jobs were with 1911's and wheel guns. The AR is a different species. If the trigger just sucks, then you likely have to do something. But unless you are shooting in competition. there are likely ways other than high end 'smiths. I still leave that as an option but it is certainly not the only option.
I defer to this. My only experience with trigger jobs were with 1911's and wheel guns. The AR is a different species. If the trigger just sucks, then you likely have to do something. But unless you are shooting in competition. there are likely ways other than high end 'smiths. I still leave that as an option but it is certainly not the only option.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 08:16 PM (n13/j)
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I'm at the point in life where I've handled a number of firearms and I love to see how they work and what is their manual of arms.
And yet, switching between my car, my wife's and my son's, I can't figure out the windshield washer.
And yet, switching between my car, my wife's and my son's, I can't figure out the windshield washer.
Posted by: RI Red at November 24, 2019 08:16 PM (p9zYu)
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167, Sorry Quint, saw it was RedMindBlueState that did it.
For some pistols and rifles, it is not that hard to polish a trigger. The major issue on altering triggers comes when people want it lighter and lighter and that generally comes at the cost of safety and functionality.
I restore old rifles and work on revolvers and semi auto pistols and I have seen people try to alter two stage Mauser triggers to one stage, butcher cocking pieces and safeties, cut springs, loosen tension screws, bend kinks into V springs, etc. For the most part, you have to simply replace these things as most of these parts are simply not restorable in an economic sense.
I prefer smooth triggers to super light and that is generally achievable without compromising safety or function.
For some pistols and rifles, it is not that hard to polish a trigger. The major issue on altering triggers comes when people want it lighter and lighter and that generally comes at the cost of safety and functionality.
I restore old rifles and work on revolvers and semi auto pistols and I have seen people try to alter two stage Mauser triggers to one stage, butcher cocking pieces and safeties, cut springs, loosen tension screws, bend kinks into V springs, etc. For the most part, you have to simply replace these things as most of these parts are simply not restorable in an economic sense.
I prefer smooth triggers to super light and that is generally achievable without compromising safety or function.
Posted by: whig at November 24, 2019 08:17 PM (MItID)
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Posted by: Ladyl at November 24, 2019 08:15 PM (TdMsT)
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Well happy to have you here! Care to regale us with your machine gun shooting at the TXMoMe?
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Well happy to have you here! Care to regale us with your machine gun shooting at the TXMoMe?
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:17 PM (MVjcR)
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do they yawl exiting a barrel?
Only the southern ones.
I knew there was a ketch.
You could hire a painter.
Only the southern ones.
I knew there was a ketch.
You could hire a painter.
Posted by: mikeyG at November 24, 2019 08:19 PM (SX3FQ)
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Judas Priest!!! Sometimes I get red gobbledygook when trying to post something or now I am getting a message saying my post looks like spam!!!!
Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 24, 2019 08:19 PM (ZfBVE)
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I've improved a bunch of triggers merely by polishing the sear with a dremel. Just enough to take the manufacturing roughness off.
Amazing how much better they are.
Amazing how much better they are.
Posted by: RI Red at November 24, 2019 08:20 PM (p9zYu)
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I'm the token know-nothing here. It's like you all are speaking a different language.
Don't worry Ladyl, at the next Texas MoMe we'll keep you away from the machine gun and bring you up to speed on nomenclature and proper range attire.
Don't worry Ladyl, at the next Texas MoMe we'll keep you away from the machine gun and bring you up to speed on nomenclature and proper range attire.
Posted by: Panhandler at November 24, 2019 08:20 PM (S/rwf)
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Way off topic question. Why is Piss Wallace on and not Levin?
Posted by: Infidel at November 24, 2019 08:20 PM (O/X1S)
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195 Posted by: Ladyl at November 24, 2019 08:15 PM (TdMsT)
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Well happy to have you here! Care to regale us with your machine gun shooting at the TXMoMe?
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:17 PM (MVjcR)
Sure! I got down on the ground and pulled the trigger for 15 seconds! Then WDS and Bebe took their turns. We got some great pictures, though! And I brought a shell home as a souvenir.
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Well happy to have you here! Care to regale us with your machine gun shooting at the TXMoMe?
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:17 PM (MVjcR)
Sure! I got down on the ground and pulled the trigger for 15 seconds! Then WDS and Bebe took their turns. We got some great pictures, though! And I brought a shell home as a souvenir.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 24, 2019 08:20 PM (TdMsT)
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I prefer smooth triggers to super light and that is generally achievable without compromising safety or function.
Posted by: whig at November 24, 2019 08:17 PM (MItID)
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Absolutely this. I know guys who have insanely light triggers for competition guns. I use the same triggers in all of my match rifles set to 1.5# pull.
I prefer smooth triggers to super light and that is generally achievable without compromising safety or function.
Posted by: whig at November 24, 2019 08:17 PM (MItID)
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Absolutely this. I know guys who have insanely light triggers for competition guns. I use the same triggers in all of my match rifles set to 1.5# pull.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:20 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:21 PM (MVjcR)
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Judas Priest!!! Sometimes I get red gobbledygook when trying to post
something or now I am getting a message saying my post looks like
spam!!!!
Yeah those dudes SUCK.
something or now I am getting a message saying my post looks like
spam!!!!
Yeah those dudes SUCK.
Posted by: Minx 0.7 beta at November 24, 2019 08:21 PM (SX3FQ)
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I have a Stihl 211 in the truck that needs a new oil line. The replacement part is in a baggie on the front seat. So far they haven't gotten together.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:12 PM (MVjcR)
I did a little searching. I have a John Deere model 30, made by Kioritz Corp., and it is similar to an Echo model. I suspect there is a perished rubber line someplace. It has a valve to adjust the auto-oiler flow rate, which is an unusual feature. Made 1976 - 1981, apparently.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:12 PM (MVjcR)
I did a little searching. I have a John Deere model 30, made by Kioritz Corp., and it is similar to an Echo model. I suspect there is a perished rubber line someplace. It has a valve to adjust the auto-oiler flow rate, which is an unusual feature. Made 1976 - 1981, apparently.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 24, 2019 08:22 PM (/sgva)
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203 Posted by: Ladyl at November 24, 2019 08:20 PM (TdMsT)
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Fun, huh?
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:21 PM (MVjcR)
Oh gosh yes! And like nothing else I ever done in my life, except target shooting at camp when I was 10.
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Fun, huh?
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:21 PM (MVjcR)
Oh gosh yes! And like nothing else I ever done in my life, except target shooting at camp when I was 10.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 24, 2019 08:24 PM (TdMsT)
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Oh gosh yes! And like nothing else I ever done in my life, except target shooting at camp when I was 10.
My God.
Those poor campers.
My God.
Those poor campers.
Posted by: mikeyG at November 24, 2019 08:25 PM (SX3FQ)
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Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 24, 2019 08:22 PM (/sgva)
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That does sound like an unusual feature. The oil feed line on the 211 is external and almost immediately started to leak when new. I solved the problem by buying a new saw, but do want to fix this one.
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That does sound like an unusual feature. The oil feed line on the 211 is external and almost immediately started to leak when new. I solved the problem by buying a new saw, but do want to fix this one.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:25 PM (MVjcR)
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Oh gosh yes! And like nothing else I ever done in my life, except target shooting at camp when I was 10.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 24, 2019 08:24 PM (TdMsT)
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So YOU were the camp shooter?!
Next year we can spend some time at the rifle and pistol ranges.
Oh gosh yes! And like nothing else I ever done in my life, except target shooting at camp when I was 10.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 24, 2019 08:24 PM (TdMsT)
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So YOU were the camp shooter?!
Next year we can spend some time at the rifle and pistol ranges.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:27 PM (MVjcR)
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Have never altered a trigger and expect I won't. I just like to use everything "stock". Though my Model 66 has a wonderful smooth trigger from initial quality/use, and my 1911 still has a fairly rough/heavy trigger [despite as much use as I can give it]. XD trigger is pretty nice as it is. And with extensive experimentation I've confirmed that my worst triggers can be "fixed" [results rendered OK] by the shooter, if he's focusing and executing properly.
Just a personal quirk. Bad customer for high-end gun parts.
Just a personal quirk. Bad customer for high-end gun parts.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 24, 2019 08:28 PM (QDnY+)
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"Someone will say it has to be KJV."
It was good enough for Saint Paul, it's good enough for me!
(There's actually a Babylon Bee bit on that.)
Posted by: GWB at November 24, 2019 08:10 PM (VM0fq)
oh yeah. I recall it as "If it was good enough for Jesus, it is good enough for me". I much prefer the KJV but realize it was not the first of the last. It is the epitome of the English language and for centuries its language united people. Today, so many have no clue about the English and American literature that sprang from that Bible. What once united us is just another example of how divided we are.
I recall someone talking about how they worked for the Tonight Show with Carson near the end of his reign. They made a comment based on a KJV verse and they had hundreds call in asking where the verse came from. The show runner was surprised that people in this country no longer had that common language. They know longer had that common experience.
It was good enough for Saint Paul, it's good enough for me!
(There's actually a Babylon Bee bit on that.)
Posted by: GWB at November 24, 2019 08:10 PM (VM0fq)
oh yeah. I recall it as "If it was good enough for Jesus, it is good enough for me". I much prefer the KJV but realize it was not the first of the last. It is the epitome of the English language and for centuries its language united people. Today, so many have no clue about the English and American literature that sprang from that Bible. What once united us is just another example of how divided we are.
I recall someone talking about how they worked for the Tonight Show with Carson near the end of his reign. They made a comment based on a KJV verse and they had hundreds call in asking where the verse came from. The show runner was surprised that people in this country no longer had that common language. They know longer had that common experience.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 08:28 PM (n13/j)
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My God.
Those poor campers.
Posted by: mikeyG at November 24, 2019 08:25 PM (SX3FQ)
Things were much different at camp in the old days. The ability to survive was highly prized.
Those poor campers.
Posted by: mikeyG at November 24, 2019 08:25 PM (SX3FQ)
Things were much different at camp in the old days. The ability to survive was highly prized.
Posted by: Ladyl at November 24, 2019 08:29 PM (TdMsT)
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Next year we can spend some time at the rifle and pistol ranges.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:27 PM (MVjcR)
I'd better arrive a day early next year!
Next year we can spend some time at the rifle and pistol ranges.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:27 PM (MVjcR)
I'd better arrive a day early next year!
Posted by: Ladyl at November 24, 2019 08:29 PM (TdMsT)
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Absolutely this. I know guys who have insanely light triggers for competition guns. I use the same triggers in all of my match rifles set to 1.5# pull.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:20 PM (MVjcR
Uhh, boss, 1.5 # is insanely light for most of us ham 'n eggers.
I did a trigger job and polish on my Ruger .22-45 and at 2.5 # I barely have to sneeze to set her off.
Same goes for Mrs. Red.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:20 PM (MVjcR
Uhh, boss, 1.5 # is insanely light for most of us ham 'n eggers.
I did a trigger job and polish on my Ruger .22-45 and at 2.5 # I barely have to sneeze to set her off.
Same goes for Mrs. Red.
Posted by: RI Red at November 24, 2019 08:30 PM (p9zYu)
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172 ... "cuz I'm a cheap reloader/recycler"
rhomboid,
You and me both. Scavenging components, finding bulk buys, etc. is part of the game. It might begin in need but becomes its own challenge.
I like your reloading description above. Prep the brass then use the Lee Turret press for powder charging and bullet seating. with that approach things can move along pretty quick. And since I pour in the powder and immediately seat the bullet, it essentially eliminates the chance of a double charge. I just switch the dies by hand.
rhomboid,
You and me both. Scavenging components, finding bulk buys, etc. is part of the game. It might begin in need but becomes its own challenge.
I like your reloading description above. Prep the brass then use the Lee Turret press for powder charging and bullet seating. with that approach things can move along pretty quick. And since I pour in the powder and immediately seat the bullet, it essentially eliminates the chance of a double charge. I just switch the dies by hand.
Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 08:32 PM (bmdz3)
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FYI, Unless you have a really light touch, machine tools are generally not advisable as a lot of the triggers and sears are case hardened (they are not the same hardness throughout the material).
What happens is that if the case hardening is removed, the underlying material wears too much and compromises function and safety. Case hardening enables cheaper and easier machining of the final product which is then heat treated. Done correctly gives a very hard slick surface which ideal for triggers. However, the case hardening can only be a very thin .008" to .010" thick. Really easy to cut through that layer to the softer material below.
Manual stoning is preferable as it is safer and removes less material if done with the correct stones and jigs.
What happens is that if the case hardening is removed, the underlying material wears too much and compromises function and safety. Case hardening enables cheaper and easier machining of the final product which is then heat treated. Done correctly gives a very hard slick surface which ideal for triggers. However, the case hardening can only be a very thin .008" to .010" thick. Really easy to cut through that layer to the softer material below.
Manual stoning is preferable as it is safer and removes less material if done with the correct stones and jigs.
Posted by: whig at November 24, 2019 08:32 PM (MItID)
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Uhh, boss, 1.5 # is insanely light for most of us ham 'n eggers.
I did a trigger job and polish on my Ruger .22-45 and at 2.5 # I barely have to sneeze to set her off.
Same goes for Mrs. Red.
Posted by: RI Red
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No disrespect intended but one must ask - hair trigger?
I did a trigger job and polish on my Ruger .22-45 and at 2.5 # I barely have to sneeze to set her off.
Same goes for Mrs. Red.
Posted by: RI Red
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No disrespect intended but one must ask - hair trigger?
Posted by: Paolo at November 24, 2019 08:32 PM (Y4EXg)
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Posted by: RI Red at November 24, 2019 08:30 PM (p9zYu)
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I'm talking about triggers set to a few ounces! I have all of my guns set up exactly the same so they feel and shoot exactly the same!
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I'm talking about triggers set to a few ounces! I have all of my guns set up exactly the same so they feel and shoot exactly the same!
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:32 PM (MVjcR)
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I'd better arrive a day early next year!
Posted by: Ladyl at November 24, 2019 08:29 PM (TdMsT)
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You should!
I'd better arrive a day early next year!
Posted by: Ladyl at November 24, 2019 08:29 PM (TdMsT)
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You should!
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:32 PM (MVjcR)
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AR versus AK?
Barbarians, one and all.
Let's talk about a real rifle: the M1 Garand.
Speaking of which, I took the other M1 to the range and was happily nailing small steel targets at roughly a 180 yards. (range finder comes in handy) I want to say no bigger than a 12" steel target. No, I didn't hit it every shot, but I got it enough to know it wasn't accident.
There was another steel plate a bit further out, 195 yards, but, no real challenge as it appears to be roughly 30" x 30". Still fun to whack with a 30.06 bullet.
Then, over to the pistol range to work the other 1911 out a bit. Didn't do to badly with it, either. Was able to get some nice double taps.
As for round count: Quantities of rounds shouldn't happen until quality rounds have been put down range.
Quality to build muscle memory and then quantity to see if one has put in the quality time.
Barbarians, one and all.
Let's talk about a real rifle: the M1 Garand.
Speaking of which, I took the other M1 to the range and was happily nailing small steel targets at roughly a 180 yards. (range finder comes in handy) I want to say no bigger than a 12" steel target. No, I didn't hit it every shot, but I got it enough to know it wasn't accident.
There was another steel plate a bit further out, 195 yards, but, no real challenge as it appears to be roughly 30" x 30". Still fun to whack with a 30.06 bullet.
Then, over to the pistol range to work the other 1911 out a bit. Didn't do to badly with it, either. Was able to get some nice double taps.
As for round count: Quantities of rounds shouldn't happen until quality rounds have been put down range.
Quality to build muscle memory and then quantity to see if one has put in the quality time.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 08:33 PM (WEBkv)
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Great thread, as usual, Weasel!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 08:34 PM (WEBkv)
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I prefer smooth triggers to super light and that is generally achievable without compromising safety or function.
Posted by: whig at November 24, 2019 08:17 PM (MItID)
I agree. Unless it is some 1911 race gun. you can go too far for no reason. Again this is just my opinion and I am NOT in the business. If you get a top notch 'smith to work on your weapon, it can actually ad value to it. Maybe they stamp the weapon or more likely they give you a detailed bill of sale with the work you have done. But if a normal works on a weapon, and they try to sell it, many will consider it butchered.
I don't know about working on AR's I understand two stage triggers and that these weapons are not meant to be race guns. But if the smith is reputable, he should be able to tell you what can be done, and what should be done. That is all I can offer on this.
Posted by: whig at November 24, 2019 08:17 PM (MItID)
I agree. Unless it is some 1911 race gun. you can go too far for no reason. Again this is just my opinion and I am NOT in the business. If you get a top notch 'smith to work on your weapon, it can actually ad value to it. Maybe they stamp the weapon or more likely they give you a detailed bill of sale with the work you have done. But if a normal works on a weapon, and they try to sell it, many will consider it butchered.
I don't know about working on AR's I understand two stage triggers and that these weapons are not meant to be race guns. But if the smith is reputable, he should be able to tell you what can be done, and what should be done. That is all I can offer on this.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 08:34 PM (n13/j)
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Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 08:34 PM (WEBkv)
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Thanks blake!!
at November 24, 2019 08:34 PM (WEBkv)
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Thanks blake!!
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:34 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: RI Red at November 24, 2019 08:34 PM (p9zYu)
Posted by: Kindltot at November 24, 2019 08:35 PM (1glZx)
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and to be clear, they don't have to be "internet names" In golf there are many teachers who are internet names. But they are often not the real names in golf instruction a lot of the time. Same with gunsmiths. Pretty much everyone can fined a high quality smith in their AO.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 08:36 PM (n13/j)
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A couple of customer service reports:
1. Sent two M1 Carbines to CMP back on May 22, for installation of new barrels, complete re-parkerize, technical inspection, and sight-in and test fire at 100 yards. It took until early September to get one, then until early October to get the second. I was surprised at the duration. FYI if you're considering sending a US-issue long arm to them for work. The results are visually terrific, and the 3-shot test fire targets they sent me both have 2 in the 10-ring and one in the 9. Now I need to get them out to range!
2. I bought a S&W Custom Shop Model 442 .38 Special +P revolver from Bud's Gun Shop in early May. I visually inspected it and put it on the shelf. Got it out in late July to clean it and take it to the range. My cleaning cloth snagged on a tiny bit of raised metal on the frame, at the interface between the frame and side plate. Barely visible, but I was mad that a Custom Shop gun came like that from the factory. Sent it back to S&W for warranty service. A happy result: Got it back 6 weeks later, de-burred and completely re-finished, no questions asked, no cost.
1. Sent two M1 Carbines to CMP back on May 22, for installation of new barrels, complete re-parkerize, technical inspection, and sight-in and test fire at 100 yards. It took until early September to get one, then until early October to get the second. I was surprised at the duration. FYI if you're considering sending a US-issue long arm to them for work. The results are visually terrific, and the 3-shot test fire targets they sent me both have 2 in the 10-ring and one in the 9. Now I need to get them out to range!
2. I bought a S&W Custom Shop Model 442 .38 Special +P revolver from Bud's Gun Shop in early May. I visually inspected it and put it on the shelf. Got it out in late July to clean it and take it to the range. My cleaning cloth snagged on a tiny bit of raised metal on the frame, at the interface between the frame and side plate. Barely visible, but I was mad that a Custom Shop gun came like that from the factory. Sent it back to S&W for warranty service. A happy result: Got it back 6 weeks later, de-burred and completely re-finished, no questions asked, no cost.
Posted by: Gref at November 24, 2019 08:37 PM (AMIL/)
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Uhh, boss, 1.5 # is insanely light for most of us ham 'n eggers.
I did a trigger job and polish on my Ruger .22-45 and at 2.5 # I barely have to sneeze to set her off.
Same goes for Mrs. Red.
Posted by: RI Red at November 24, 2019 08:30 PM (p9zYu)
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I have a 2 lb Timney single stage trigger on my Howa. (bought a heavy barreled action and built the rifle from there)
Trigger breaks like the proverbial glass rod.
Most interesting trigger I tried was on a black powder rifle. After using the set trigger, the main trigger was about 5 ounces. Talk about light!
I did a trigger job and polish on my Ruger .22-45 and at 2.5 # I barely have to sneeze to set her off.
Same goes for Mrs. Red.
Posted by: RI Red at November 24, 2019 08:30 PM (p9zYu)
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I have a 2 lb Timney single stage trigger on my Howa. (bought a heavy barreled action and built the rifle from there)
Trigger breaks like the proverbial glass rod.
Most interesting trigger I tried was on a black powder rifle. After using the set trigger, the main trigger was about 5 ounces. Talk about light!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 08:37 PM (WEBkv)
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Oh yeah - I can see that now. My place does not allow any "likeness" targets. I had forgotten that.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 24, 2019 07:31 PM (Y4EXg)
If you go to youtube you can find "Darius Shooting dog at the shooting range" you will find a cringy bit from the series Atlanta.
very cringy.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 24, 2019 07:31 PM (Y4EXg)
If you go to youtube you can find "Darius Shooting dog at the shooting range" you will find a cringy bit from the series Atlanta.
very cringy.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 24, 2019 08:38 PM (1glZx)
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I always look forward to the nearly-now-famous Gun Thread, by Weasel.
Even if my attendance at the range is zero, Weasel's reminders are a gentle nudge, rather than old-school bitching.
And someday soon, I will be positively and gently nudged back to paper painting.
Until then I will be content to hear the successes and challenges from fellow rons and ettes.
Thanks, Weasel!
I always look forward to the nearly-now-famous Gun Thread, by Weasel.
Even if my attendance at the range is zero, Weasel's reminders are a gentle nudge, rather than old-school bitching.
And someday soon, I will be positively and gently nudged back to paper painting.
Until then I will be content to hear the successes and challenges from fellow rons and ettes.
Thanks, Weasel!
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at November 24, 2019 08:39 PM (sy5kK)
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Uhh, Paulo, I said "set" her off. Not "get" her off.
That was last century.
Posted by: RI Red
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Ah - Paolo once, how you say, suggested a woman such as this to "settle down." The Paolo, he understands.
That was last century.
Posted by: RI Red
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Ah - Paolo once, how you say, suggested a woman such as this to "settle down." The Paolo, he understands.
Posted by: Paolo at November 24, 2019 08:39 PM (Y4EXg)
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Posted by: Gref at November 24, 2019 08:37 PM (AMIL/)
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Thanks, Gref! I've had similar experiences with both CMP and S&W.
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Thanks, Gref! I've had similar experiences with both CMP and S&W.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:40 PM (MVjcR)
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Posted by: Gref at November 24, 2019 08:37 PM (AMIL/)
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Yeah, when I sent my Garand in to be worked on, they had the new barrel installed within a couple of days.
However, the rest of the work took a month.
Results were outstanding, though.
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Yeah, when I sent my Garand in to be worked on, they had the new barrel installed within a couple of days.
However, the rest of the work took a month.
Results were outstanding, though.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 08:40 PM (WEBkv)
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I bought a SW Custom Shop Model 442 .38 Special
+P revolver from Bud's Gun Shop in early May. I visually inspected it
and put it on the shelf. Got it out in late July to clean it and take
it to the range. My cleaning cloth snagged on a tiny bit of raised
metal on the frame, at the interface between the frame and side plate.
Barely visible, but I was mad that a Custom Shop gun came like that from
the factory. Sent it back to SW for warranty service. A happy
result: Got it back 6 weeks later, de-burred and completely
re-finished, no questions asked, no cost.
Posted by: Gref at November 24, 2019 08:37 PM (AMIL/)
To the op who asked about the Ruger .22. I am sure his best play is to send it back. It is their issue, not his. They will spend more time with the weapon than normal and work to get it right or replace it. And there will be a record here. Shoot some more rounds, not harm no foul there. But send it back and make Ruger make it right.
+P revolver from Bud's Gun Shop in early May. I visually inspected it
and put it on the shelf. Got it out in late July to clean it and take
it to the range. My cleaning cloth snagged on a tiny bit of raised
metal on the frame, at the interface between the frame and side plate.
Barely visible, but I was mad that a Custom Shop gun came like that from
the factory. Sent it back to SW for warranty service. A happy
result: Got it back 6 weeks later, de-burred and completely
re-finished, no questions asked, no cost.
Posted by: Gref at November 24, 2019 08:37 PM (AMIL/)
To the op who asked about the Ruger .22. I am sure his best play is to send it back. It is their issue, not his. They will spend more time with the weapon than normal and work to get it right or replace it. And there will be a record here. Shoot some more rounds, not harm no foul there. But send it back and make Ruger make it right.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 08:41 PM (n13/j)
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Yes, Paulo. And she is an excellent shot.
Posted by: RI Red at November 24, 2019 08:41 PM (p9zYu)
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205, Weasel, I would shoot my eye out with something like that 1.5 pull weight (Christmas Story was on TBS tonight).
4-5 Lbs is more to my liking on rifles and I shoot my DA revolvers etc. at 11-12 DA as long as the trigger pull is even and smooth. I do prefer two stage rifle triggers to single stage simply because I mess around with old military surplus bolt actions.
4-5 Lbs is more to my liking on rifles and I shoot my DA revolvers etc. at 11-12 DA as long as the trigger pull is even and smooth. I do prefer two stage rifle triggers to single stage simply because I mess around with old military surplus bolt actions.
Posted by: whig at November 24, 2019 08:42 PM (MItID)
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Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 08:37 PM (WEBkv)
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I use Timney triggers on my match guns. Their factory is in Phoenix and I'd always stop by to say hello when I was out there for a match. They are GREAT people.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 08:37 PM (WEBkv)
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I use Timney triggers on my match guns. Their factory is in Phoenix and I'd always stop by to say hello when I was out there for a match. They are GREAT people.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:42 PM (MVjcR)
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The cz 527 has a trigger "set" (you push it forward instead of pulling). It's almost scary. I basically just think about pulling it and it goes off. I think it's around 13 ounces of less from what I've read. If you don't use it, it's a very easy 3 to 5 lbs.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 24, 2019 08:42 PM (87EdW)
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Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at November 24, 2019 08:39 PM (sy5kK)
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Well thank you very much, LeftCoast Dawg! I'm glad you're enjoying these threads.
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Well thank you very much, LeftCoast Dawg! I'm glad you're enjoying these threads.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:43 PM (MVjcR)
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JTB - for me "the game" has been part of it all along in reloading. Not a serious competition shooter, so mostly replacing factory range fodder, and of course doing custom loads to my taste/for specific uses. Fun to see how little you can spend to make perfectly good ammo.
Gref - I have one "real" M1 carbine [1943 Quality Hardware mixmaster in pretty good shape], had not considered having it rebarreled/reparked/etc., but that's a good option to know about. Have two big-brother M1s from CMP, and a bunch of spare parts I've bought from them against future wear/tear.
Love love love both kinds of M1.
Gref - I have one "real" M1 carbine [1943 Quality Hardware mixmaster in pretty good shape], had not considered having it rebarreled/reparked/etc., but that's a good option to know about. Have two big-brother M1s from CMP, and a bunch of spare parts I've bought from them against future wear/tear.
Love love love both kinds of M1.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 24, 2019 08:45 PM (QDnY+)
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Weasel, thank you again for another great thread!
I look forwards to Sundays evening at 7pm to learn more about my new hobby and glean what ever tips I can.
I look forwards to Sundays evening at 7pm to learn more about my new hobby and glean what ever tips I can.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 24, 2019 08:45 PM (ZfBVE)
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Weasel, I would shoot my eye out with something like that 1.5 pull weight (Christmas Story was on TBS tonight).
4-5 Lbs is more to my liking on rifles and I shoot my DA revolvers etc. at 11-12 DA as long as the trigger pull is even and smooth. I do prefer two stage rifle triggers to single stage simply because I mess around with old military surplus bolt actions.
Posted by: whig at November 24, 2019 08:42 PM (MItID)
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That's only for competition rifles. For martial arms, I leave them absolutely stock.
4-5 Lbs is more to my liking on rifles and I shoot my DA revolvers etc. at 11-12 DA as long as the trigger pull is even and smooth. I do prefer two stage rifle triggers to single stage simply because I mess around with old military surplus bolt actions.
Posted by: whig at November 24, 2019 08:42 PM (MItID)
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That's only for competition rifles. For martial arms, I leave them absolutely stock.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:45 PM (MVjcR)
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In regards to posting pictures of anything gun related I refrain from
posting any on my Facebook page or anything with my real name. My
pictures will only be shared with friends through text or email or with
you folks with pictures submitted to the gun thread email. And of
course I will NEVER let the serial # be photographed.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 24, 2019 08:08 PM (ZfBVE)"
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I will point out that if you text or mail a picture to someone from a phone and:
- You use Facebook on that phone, or
- You use one of a few hundred apps from companies that have agreements with Facebook...
... then you have handed that picture directly to Facebook, who then just tacks it onto their file on you. Omitting the serial mitigates the larger risks, at least.
There is no expectation of privacy on any mobile device infested by Facebook or their partners. You also should be cognizant of a bunch of other devices such as gaming consoles with built in cameras, smarthome hubs, etc.
In regards to posting pictures of anything gun related I refrain from
posting any on my Facebook page or anything with my real name. My
pictures will only be shared with friends through text or email or with
you folks with pictures submitted to the gun thread email. And of
course I will NEVER let the serial # be photographed.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 24, 2019 08:08 PM (ZfBVE)"
..
..
I will point out that if you text or mail a picture to someone from a phone and:
- You use Facebook on that phone, or
- You use one of a few hundred apps from companies that have agreements with Facebook...
... then you have handed that picture directly to Facebook, who then just tacks it onto their file on you. Omitting the serial mitigates the larger risks, at least.
There is no expectation of privacy on any mobile device infested by Facebook or their partners. You also should be cognizant of a bunch of other devices such as gaming consoles with built in cameras, smarthome hubs, etc.
Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at November 24, 2019 08:46 PM (67XdO)
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Most of my muzzleloader rifles have adjustable double set triggers. They can be set so they will go off with a stern look. Too light. That's where I learned to appreciate a good trigger. Now I prefer a smooth, predictable trigger to simply a light one.
BTW, Jerry Miculek has a dvd on smoothing the trigger and other internal parts of a S and W model 10 using only stones for the smoothing and polishing. I would assume it could be used for other K and N frame Smiths.
BTW, Jerry Miculek has a dvd on smoothing the trigger and other internal parts of a S and W model 10 using only stones for the smoothing and polishing. I would assume it could be used for other K and N frame Smiths.
Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 08:47 PM (bmdz3)
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241 Weasel, thank you again for another great thread!
I look forwards to Sundays evening at 7pm to learn more about my new hobby and glean what ever tips I can.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 24, 2019 08:45 PM (ZfBVE)
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You are very welcome, SD! And thank you for allowing me to share your story. Appreciate that!
I look forwards to Sundays evening at 7pm to learn more about my new hobby and glean what ever tips I can.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 24, 2019 08:45 PM (ZfBVE)
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You are very welcome, SD! And thank you for allowing me to share your story. Appreciate that!
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:47 PM (MVjcR)
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Well, boss, this thread is the highlight of the week, even though I lurk all week at AOS (don't tell employer!). It's a great group, from newbies to gray hairs. I always learn something.
So, adios all. And give WD some egg rolls.
So, adios all. And give WD some egg rolls.
Posted by: RI Red at November 24, 2019 08:47 PM (p9zYu)
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Amen on the thanks to Weasel. I used to spend nearly as much time at Hognose's blog as I do here. Great place to get really good advice and info from real expert shooters. I appreciate it.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 24, 2019 08:47 PM (87EdW)
Posted by: Braenyard at November 24, 2019 08:48 PM (nhBb/)
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That's only for competition rifles. For martial arms, I leave them absolutely stock.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:45 PM (MVjcR)
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Yeah, my M1 triggers are stock. But, they came with pretty darn good triggers, and sights! from the get go, so, not really a big deal.
It's almost like the guy who designed the rifle knew something about triggers and sights.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:45 PM (MVjcR)
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Yeah, my M1 triggers are stock. But, they came with pretty darn good triggers, and sights! from the get go, so, not really a big deal.
It's almost like the guy who designed the rifle knew something about triggers and sights.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 08:49 PM (WEBkv)
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Posted by: rhomboid at November 24, 2019 08:45 PM (QDnY+)
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I cannot say enough good things about the CMP shop. I had them rebarrel a M1917 and they chambered it exactly like I asked them to. I was a little surprised they were so accommodating.
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I cannot say enough good things about the CMP shop. I had them rebarrel a M1917 and they chambered it exactly like I asked them to. I was a little surprised they were so accommodating.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:50 PM (MVjcR)
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246 Well, boss, this thread is the highlight of the week, even though I lurk all week at AOS (don't tell employer!). It's a great group, from newbies to gray hairs. I always learn something.
So, adios all. And give WD some egg rolls.
Posted by: RI Red at November 24, 2019 08:47 PM (p9zYu)
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Thank you, brother. Will do!
So, adios all. And give WD some egg rolls.
Posted by: RI Red at November 24, 2019 08:47 PM (p9zYu)
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Thank you, brother. Will do!
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:51 PM (MVjcR)
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222, Quint, I have an old timey family of gunsmiths (still three generations working together) around to do stuff I do not want to do or can't. Smith and Wesson revolvers are relatively easy to get someone to work on as their actions are simpler in function and these are not impossible to do action work on by yourself if you have the inclination and spend a few bucks on tools. Rugers are similarly a piece of cake to deal with.
Most modern semi-auto plastic fantastics are similarly user friendly to clean up actions but in most cases aftermarket triggers (if available) are simpler than altering original parts other than polishing.
Hi-Powers, S&W 1st-3rd Generations are a bit more challenging to do action work on. Beretta 92's a bit less so.
Colt revolvers are something left best for the few professional that still work on them. Frank Glenn and Cylinder and Slide are two and my local gunsmith does work on them as well.
Most modern semi-auto plastic fantastics are similarly user friendly to clean up actions but in most cases aftermarket triggers (if available) are simpler than altering original parts other than polishing.
Hi-Powers, S&W 1st-3rd Generations are a bit more challenging to do action work on. Beretta 92's a bit less so.
Colt revolvers are something left best for the few professional that still work on them. Frank Glenn and Cylinder and Slide are two and my local gunsmith does work on them as well.
Posted by: whig at November 24, 2019 08:51 PM (MItID)
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---There is no expectation of privacy on any mobile device infested by Facebook or their partners. You also should be cognizant of a bunch of other devices such as gaming consoles with built in cameras, smarthome hubs, etc.
Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at November 24, 2019 08:46 PM (67XdO)
And, as a cop found out, not using your name or any other personal identifiers doesn't prevent them from knowing who you are.
Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at November 24, 2019 08:46 PM (67XdO)
And, as a cop found out, not using your name or any other personal identifiers doesn't prevent them from knowing who you are.
Posted by: Braenyard at November 24, 2019 08:51 PM (nhBb/)
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Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 24, 2019 08:47 PM (87EdW)
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Thank you Farmer Bob! Glad to have you here.
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Thank you Farmer Bob! Glad to have you here.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:52 PM (MVjcR)
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The M1 carbine is a hoot to shoot. It is light and the rounds are light when firing. I recall there being complaints in ww2 that the round was not effective enough. But I also heard everyone wanted one as it was lighter and you had more ammo.
I think it retrospective, the modern 5.56 and the 30.06 are considered to be superior rounds. We have for a long time decided to go smaller and hotter. But the m1 carbine has been left out in the cold. That is not a shot at it, it is a great gun and fun to use. And for a civilian, of course it is enough. But it helps to remember that many called that weapon out on performance.
That means nothing to me, as no one once to get shot by anything. I think the coolest all around gun is a Winchester 30-30.
I think it retrospective, the modern 5.56 and the 30.06 are considered to be superior rounds. We have for a long time decided to go smaller and hotter. But the m1 carbine has been left out in the cold. That is not a shot at it, it is a great gun and fun to use. And for a civilian, of course it is enough. But it helps to remember that many called that weapon out on performance.
That means nothing to me, as no one once to get shot by anything. I think the coolest all around gun is a Winchester 30-30.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 08:52 PM (n13/j)
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whig, I don't even mind the "stock" triggers on Mosins, to illustrate what a barbaric, unsophisticated gun nut I am. Of the field mods actually used by the soldats of the Red Army, I'm only familiar with one - the oil-soaked thin felt wrapping of the barrel up near the front spring clip in the stock ["salka"]. A crude barrel-stabilizing thing, I gather, didn't notice much difference when I tried it.
Fairly sure they also filed out the half-moon in the interrupters - I did that on one, and with the good stripper clips [blued, Hungarian] I'm able to actually load that thing pretty quickly and easily. Funny, I have some 1946 Soviet ammo on clips - no way those work, even with the modified interrupter. Have found a few UToob videos with Red Army vets demo'ing fast/smooth Mosin loading, but they had nothing about modifications.
Fairly sure they also filed out the half-moon in the interrupters - I did that on one, and with the good stripper clips [blued, Hungarian] I'm able to actually load that thing pretty quickly and easily. Funny, I have some 1946 Soviet ammo on clips - no way those work, even with the modified interrupter. Have found a few UToob videos with Red Army vets demo'ing fast/smooth Mosin loading, but they had nothing about modifications.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 24, 2019 08:52 PM (QDnY+)
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237 ... "I use Timney triggers on my match guns."
weasel, I put a Timney in my Ruger 10-22. Made a big improvement and was so simple even I could do it. That's why I switched the good scope to the Ruger from the Marlin 60. I never realized the trigger on the Marlin was as bad as it is until I used the Timney replacement on the Ruger.
weasel, I put a Timney in my Ruger 10-22. Made a big improvement and was so simple even I could do it. That's why I switched the good scope to the Ruger from the Marlin 60. I never realized the trigger on the Marlin was as bad as it is until I used the Timney replacement on the Ruger.
Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 08:53 PM (bmdz3)
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Yeah, my M1 triggers are stock. But, they came with pretty darn good triggers, and sights! from the get go, so, not really a big deal.
It's almost like the guy who designed the rifle knew something about triggers and sights.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 08:49 PM (WEBkv)
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Yeah! No kidding!
Yeah, my M1 triggers are stock. But, they came with pretty darn good triggers, and sights! from the get go, so, not really a big deal.
It's almost like the guy who designed the rifle knew something about triggers and sights.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 08:49 PM (WEBkv)
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Yeah! No kidding!
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:54 PM (MVjcR)
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That means nothing to me, as no one once to get shot by anything. I think the coolest all around gun is a Winchester 30-30.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 08:52 PM (n13/j)
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I've long thought the M1 Carbine would be a dandy home defense rifle.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 08:52 PM (n13/j)
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I've long thought the M1 Carbine would be a dandy home defense rifle.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 08:55 PM (WEBkv)
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I read that the men in the pacific preferred a 1911 to the M1.
Posted by: Braenyard at November 24, 2019 08:55 PM (nhBb/)
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weasel, I put a Timney in my Ruger 10-22
If you add at least 2 lasers and a Picatinny rail it becomes an AR.
kidding, kidding...
If you add at least 2 lasers and a Picatinny rail it becomes an AR.
kidding, kidding...
Posted by: mikeyG at November 24, 2019 08:55 PM (SX3FQ)
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242, Timney cartridge triggers are generally available with low pullweights for a lot of old warhorses but since I shoot them in military trim, it is kinda pointless. For me, something like the Swiss K31 and the earlier K1911 series triggers are fascinating as being about as good as it gets in issued triggers for bolt actions. Garands probably have the best trigger pulls if adjusted properly.
Posted by: whig at November 24, 2019 08:56 PM (MItID)
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 24, 2019 08:56 PM (LpUyf)
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Hi-Powers, SW 1st-3rd Generations are a bit more challenging to do action work on. Beretta 92's a bit less so.
Colt revolvers are something left best for the few professional that
still work on them. Frank Glenn and Cylinder and Slide are two and my
local gunsmith does work on them as well.
Posted by: whig at November 24, 2019 08:51 PM (MItID)
good info. The Hi Power guys are rare for sure. And Cylinder and Slide are well known. As for a classic Colt, no doubt I would go for an old pro.
Colt revolvers are something left best for the few professional that
still work on them. Frank Glenn and Cylinder and Slide are two and my
local gunsmith does work on them as well.
Posted by: whig at November 24, 2019 08:51 PM (MItID)
good info. The Hi Power guys are rare for sure. And Cylinder and Slide are well known. As for a classic Colt, no doubt I would go for an old pro.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 08:56 PM (n13/j)
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260 I read that the men in the pacific preferred a 1911 to the M1.
Posted by: Braenyard at November 24, 2019 08:55 PM (nhBb/)
In dense jungle at close range, 10 yards or less, I can see it but, the M1 Carbine still has more energy than the 45 acp.
Posted by: Braenyard at November 24, 2019 08:55 PM (nhBb/)
In dense jungle at close range, 10 yards or less, I can see it but, the M1 Carbine still has more energy than the 45 acp.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 08:57 PM (WEBkv)
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I've long thought the M1 Carbine would be a dandy home defense rifle.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 08:55 PM (WEBkv)
I think you are right.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 08:55 PM (WEBkv)
I think you are right.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 08:57 PM (n13/j)
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Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 08:53 PM (bmdz3)
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They're a great value for what you get, too. I'd go by the factory before the Phoenix matches and they'd function check everything for me, replace small parts that looked worn, then set the triggers. Really great people.
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They're a great value for what you get, too. I'd go by the factory before the Phoenix matches and they'd function check everything for me, replace small parts that looked worn, then set the triggers. Really great people.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 08:57 PM (MVjcR)
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Weasel, kudos as ever for a great thread - and to the other knowledgeable commenters here. Always learning.
Gonna go see how quickly I can reload 50 rounds of 45 [efficiency, not racing and no quality compromise] and then will check back in before grabbing a bite.
Gonna go see how quickly I can reload 50 rounds of 45 [efficiency, not racing and no quality compromise] and then will check back in before grabbing a bite.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 24, 2019 08:58 PM (QDnY+)
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For me, something like the Swiss K31 and the earlier K1911 series triggers are fascinating as being about as good as it gets in issued triggers for bolt actions. Garands probably have the best trigger pulls if adjusted properly.
Posted by: whig at November 24, 2019 08:56 PM (MItID)
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Love my K31's.
Need diopter sights for them, though.
Posted by: whig at November 24, 2019 08:56 PM (MItID)
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Love my K31's.
Need diopter sights for them, though.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 08:58 PM (WEBkv)
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Have they improved the 100 rd drum for the AR ? It used to be a 20 rd stage drum x 5.
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 24, 2019 08:59 PM (2DOZq)
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Well, at least you pulled him out of the well.
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 24, 2019 08:56 PM (LpUyf)
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Yeah that Rikki Tikke Tembo guy didn't make it.
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 24, 2019 08:56 PM (LpUyf)
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Yeah that Rikki Tikke Tembo guy didn't make it.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 08:59 PM (WEBkv)
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Donald Trump FIRED ... yes, that's right, fucking FIRED, the head of the Navy tonight for INSUBORDINATION.
Not a peep here.
The US Military has a chain of command and that ends at Donald F. "Fucking" Trump.
Not some washed up fucking Admiral who decides he wants to try an end run.
Biggest news story of the day and everybody's fucking asleep.
Not a peep here.
The US Military has a chain of command and that ends at Donald F. "Fucking" Trump.
Not some washed up fucking Admiral who decides he wants to try an end run.
Biggest news story of the day and everybody's fucking asleep.
Posted by: someguy91 at November 24, 2019 09:00 PM (OJ0zz)
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266 I've long thought the M1 Carbine would be a dandy home defense rifle.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 08:55 PM (WEBkv)
I think you are right.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 08:57 PM (n13/j)
The only real quibble I have with it is the reliability
I have replaces springs, polished feed ramp, bought new magazines (from keepshooting dot com) and I still get rounds hanging up.
I'm using 110 gr soft points as those, anecdotally, resolve problems in urban areas very well.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 08:55 PM (WEBkv)
I think you are right.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 08:57 PM (n13/j)
The only real quibble I have with it is the reliability
I have replaces springs, polished feed ramp, bought new magazines (from keepshooting dot com) and I still get rounds hanging up.
I'm using 110 gr soft points as those, anecdotally, resolve problems in urban areas very well.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 09:00 PM (d1uFV)
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 09:01 PM (MVjcR)
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Biggest news story of the day and everybody's fucking asleep.
Posted by: someguy91 at November 24, 2019 09:00 PM (OJ0zz)
Linky dinky do?
Posted by: someguy91 at November 24, 2019 09:00 PM (OJ0zz)
Linky dinky do?
Posted by: Braenyard at November 24, 2019 09:02 PM (nhBb/)
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Donald Trump FIRED ... yes, that's right, fucking FIRED, the head of the Navy tonight for INSUBORDINATION.
Not a peep here.
The US Military has a chain of command and that ends at Donald F. "Fucking" Trump.
Not some washed up fucking Admiral who decides he wants to try an end run.
Biggest news story of the day and everybody's fucking asleep.
Posted by: someguy91
Did You Know Honey Is The Only Food Which Does Not Spoil?
Donald Trump FIRED ... yes, that's right, fucking FIRED, the head of the Navy tonight for INSUBORDINATION.
Not a peep here.
The US Military has a chain of command and that ends at Donald F. "Fucking" Trump.
Not some washed up fucking Admiral who decides he wants to try an end run.
Biggest news story of the day and everybody's fucking asleep.
Posted by: someguy91
Did You Know Honey Is The Only Food Which Does Not Spoil?
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 24, 2019 09:02 PM (LpUyf)
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 24, 2019 09:03 PM (LpUyf)
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Posted by: someguy91 at November 24, 2019 09:00 PM (OJ0zz)
You need to focus your anger someplace else.
You need to focus your anger someplace else.
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 24, 2019 09:03 PM (2DOZq)
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272 Biggest news story of the day and everybody's fucking asleep.
Posted by: someguy91 at November 24, 2019 09:00 PM (OJ0zz)
It was brought up in the last two threads.
Posted by: someguy91 at November 24, 2019 09:00 PM (OJ0zz)
It was brought up in the last two threads.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 24, 2019 09:03 PM (DTX3h)
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 24, 2019 09:03 PM (LpUyf)
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I heard the admiral tendered a resignation letter.
Probably keeps his pension that way.
What is one less admiral?
We almost have as many of them than we have ships, FFS...
Probably keeps his pension that way.
What is one less admiral?
We almost have as many of them than we have ships, FFS...
Posted by: navybrat, at large at November 24, 2019 09:03 PM (w7KSn)
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Good to see the 'don't mess with it' approach to military surplus rifles. I want them to work properly but don't want them modified. The idea is to shoot what was used in combat. I do play with the ammo to get the most out of them. Gallery loads and light cast bullet loads out of an as issued '03 Springfield is a hoot.
Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 09:04 PM (bmdz3)
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This is a generalization There are plenty of exceptions for sure here. There are tunnel rats and those that do unusual military work. But, for whatever reason, lots of troops want to carry a handgun. At some point, it is a point of pride. For the most part, handguns don't win battles small or large.
As Ramone said in in A Fistful of Dollars. "When a man with a .45 meats a man with a rifle, the man with the .45 is a deas man". Or as Col. Jeff Cooper often said, "A handgun is what you use to shoot your way to your rifle".
The handgun became a point of prestige as mainly officers carried it and some other specialty troops. But the rifle is what wins wars.
None of this has any bearing on civilian self defense. And it is jmo.
As Ramone said in in A Fistful of Dollars. "When a man with a .45 meats a man with a rifle, the man with the .45 is a deas man". Or as Col. Jeff Cooper often said, "A handgun is what you use to shoot your way to your rifle".
The handgun became a point of prestige as mainly officers carried it and some other specialty troops. But the rifle is what wins wars.
None of this has any bearing on civilian self defense. And it is jmo.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 09:04 PM (n13/j)
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 24, 2019 09:04 PM (2DOZq)
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Well, again, I must wander.
Home life beckons.
Is it too early to start counting down to the TX MoMe?
Home life beckons.
Is it too early to start counting down to the TX MoMe?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 09:05 PM (WEBkv)
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282 Good to see the 'don't mess with it' approach to military surplus rifles. I want them to work properly but don't want them modified. The idea is to shoot what was used in combat. I do play with the ammo to get the most out of them. Gallery loads and light cast bullet loads out of an as issued '03 Springfield is a hoot.
Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 09:04 PM (bmdz3)
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Couldn't agree more, JTB!
Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 09:04 PM (bmdz3)
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Couldn't agree more, JTB!
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 09:05 PM (MVjcR)
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The responses to the president's tweets are like from a different planet.
Leftist after leftist repeating The Narrative.
The responses to the president's tweets are like from a different planet.
Leftist after leftist repeating The Narrative.
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 24, 2019 09:05 PM (LpUyf)
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Is it too early to start counting down to the TX MoMe?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 09:05 PM (WEBkv)
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No sir!
Is it too early to start counting down to the TX MoMe?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 09:05 PM (WEBkv)
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No sir!
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 09:06 PM (MVjcR)
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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 3h
....contracting procedures were not addressed to my satisfaction. Therefore, Secretary of the Navy Richard Spencer's services have been terminated by Secretary of Defense Mark Esper. I thank Richard for his service & commitment. Eddie will retire peacefully with all of the.....
....contracting procedures were not addressed to my satisfaction. Therefore, Secretary of the Navy Richard Spencer's services have been terminated by Secretary of Defense Mark Esper. I thank Richard for his service & commitment. Eddie will retire peacefully with all of the.....
Posted by: Braenyard at November 24, 2019 09:06 PM (nhBb/)
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Not some washed up fucking Admiral who decides he wants to try an end run.
Biggest news story of the day and everybody's fucking asleep.
Posted by: someguy91
Did You Know Honey Is The Only Food Which Does Not Spoil?
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 24, 2019 09:02 PM (LpUyf)
/Looks over the last couple of threads where we talked about his.
Uh... Bueller?
Biggest news story of the day and everybody's fucking asleep.
Posted by: someguy91
Did You Know Honey Is The Only Food Which Does Not Spoil?
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 24, 2019 09:02 PM (LpUyf)
/Looks over the last couple of threads where we talked about his.
Uh... Bueller?
Posted by: Don Q. at November 24, 2019 09:06 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 24, 2019 09:06 PM (LpUyf)
Posted by: JQ at November 24, 2019 09:06 PM (gP/Z3)
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282 Good to see the 'don't mess with it' approach to military surplus rifles. I want them to work properly but don't want them modified. The idea is to shoot what was used in combat. I do play with the ammo to get the most out of them. Gallery loads and light cast bullet loads out of an as issued '03 Springfield is a hoot.
Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 09:04 PM (bmdz3)
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Seconded.
And again, later all!
Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 09:04 PM (bmdz3)
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Seconded.
And again, later all!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 09:06 PM (WEBkv)
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"The admirals have been sacked.
Those ordering the sacking of the admirals, have themselves been sacked!"
Those ordering the sacking of the admirals, have themselves been sacked!"
Posted by: Monty Python at November 24, 2019 09:08 PM (w7KSn)
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The only real quibble I have with it is the reliability
I have replaces springs, polished feed ramp, bought new magazines (from keepshooting dot com) and I still get rounds hanging up.
I'm using 110 gr soft points as those, anecdotally, resolve problems in urban areas very well.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 09:00 PM (d1uFV)
Some say even a semi shotgun is not as reliable as a pump. At some point, you have to go with what you have and make the best of it. I personally prefer a wheel gun as they seem to be as reliable as any. But of course modern semi autos are often very reliable.
If you have to shoot a long way, a deer rifle is going to work. I like a 30-30 as an all around gun though "I am sure many have qualms about them.
I have replaces springs, polished feed ramp, bought new magazines (from keepshooting dot com) and I still get rounds hanging up.
I'm using 110 gr soft points as those, anecdotally, resolve problems in urban areas very well.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 09:00 PM (d1uFV)
Some say even a semi shotgun is not as reliable as a pump. At some point, you have to go with what you have and make the best of it. I personally prefer a wheel gun as they seem to be as reliable as any. But of course modern semi autos are often very reliable.
If you have to shoot a long way, a deer rifle is going to work. I like a 30-30 as an all around gun though "I am sure many have qualms about them.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 09:08 PM (n13/j)
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The very first response to the president's tweet was
from a radical leftist c-word who warned the president
he had just lost all military support because he pardoned that SEAL and fired Dick Spencer.
The very first response to the president's tweet was
from a radical leftist c-word who warned the president
he had just lost all military support because he pardoned that SEAL and fired Dick Spencer.
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 24, 2019 09:08 PM (LpUyf)
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 24, 2019 09:09 PM (10k4Q)
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283 This is a generalization There are plenty of exceptions for sure here. There are tunnel rats and those that do unusual military work. But, for whatever reason, lots of troops want to carry a handgun. At some point, it is a point of pride. For the most part, handguns don't win battles small or large.
As Ramone said in in A Fistful of Dollars. "When a man with a .45 meats a man with a rifle, the man with the .45 is a deas man". Or as Col. Jeff Cooper often said, "A handgun is what you use to shoot your way to your rifle".
The handgun became a point of prestige as mainly officers carried it and some other specialty troops. But the rifle is what wins wars.
None of this has any bearing on civilian self defense. And it is jmo.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 09:04 PM (n13/j)
Sorry, this is horseshit.
It all depends on what the engagement range is.
Often during boarding Ops, I'd put the long gun away for a few reasons. 1? .45 was faster to get on target. 2. So I could open hatches and such and still shoot.
And 3? After going through a Hatch, or around a corner, a long gun is MUCH easier to knock off target than a pistol.
As Ramone said in in A Fistful of Dollars. "When a man with a .45 meats a man with a rifle, the man with the .45 is a deas man". Or as Col. Jeff Cooper often said, "A handgun is what you use to shoot your way to your rifle".
The handgun became a point of prestige as mainly officers carried it and some other specialty troops. But the rifle is what wins wars.
None of this has any bearing on civilian self defense. And it is jmo.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 09:04 PM (n13/j)
Sorry, this is horseshit.
It all depends on what the engagement range is.
Often during boarding Ops, I'd put the long gun away for a few reasons. 1? .45 was faster to get on target. 2. So I could open hatches and such and still shoot.
And 3? After going through a Hatch, or around a corner, a long gun is MUCH easier to knock off target than a pistol.
Posted by: Don Q. at November 24, 2019 09:10 PM (NgKpN)
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Some say even a semi shotgun is not as reliable as a pump. At some point, you have to go with what you have and make the best of it. I personally prefer a wheel gun as they seem to be as reliable as any. But of course modern semi autos are often very reliable.
If you have to shoot a long way, a deer rifle is going to work. I like a 30-30 as an all around gun though "I am sure many have qualms about them.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 09:08 PM (n13/j)
Well yeah, any gun is better than no gun.
I have a lever action .44 mag as my back door rifle.
I still need a 30-30 though...be trying to resist caliber sprawl.
If you have to shoot a long way, a deer rifle is going to work. I like a 30-30 as an all around gun though "I am sure many have qualms about them.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 09:08 PM (n13/j)
Well yeah, any gun is better than no gun.
I have a lever action .44 mag as my back door rifle.
I still need a 30-30 though...be trying to resist caliber sprawl.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 09:10 PM (d1uFV)
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Probably keeps his pension that way.
What is one less admiral?
...
Posted by: navybrat, at large at November 24, 2019 09:03 PM (w7KSn)
A start.
What is one less admiral?
...
Posted by: navybrat, at large at November 24, 2019 09:03 PM (w7KSn)
A start.
Posted by: Braenyard at November 24, 2019 09:11 PM (nhBb/)
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Oh and...I MAY have a new CZ coming home tomorrow.
It's an 83, joining it's makarov shooting twin.
I...may have an addiction.
It's an 83, joining it's makarov shooting twin.
I...may have an addiction.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 09:12 PM (d1uFV)
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A start.
Posted by: Braenyard at November 24, 2019 09:11 PM (nhBb/)
Yup......lots of asses need lots of firing from what it seems.
When in doubt, fire that ass.
Posted by: Braenyard at November 24, 2019 09:11 PM (nhBb/)
Yup......lots of asses need lots of firing from what it seems.
When in doubt, fire that ass.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 24, 2019 09:12 PM (Z+IKu)
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301 Oh and...I MAY have a new CZ coming home tomorrow.
It's an 83, joining it's makarov shooting twin.
I...may have an addiction.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 09:12 PM (d1uFV)
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Save yourself and send them to me!
It's an 83, joining it's makarov shooting twin.
I...may have an addiction.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 09:12 PM (d1uFV)
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Save yourself and send them to me!
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 09:13 PM (MVjcR)
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Sorry, this is horseshit.
It all depends on what the engagement range is.
Often during boarding Ops, I'd put the long gun away for a few
reasons. 1? .45 was faster to get on target. 2. So I could open
hatches and such and still shoot.
And 3? After going through a Hatch, or around a corner, a long gun is MUCH easier to knock off target than a pistol.
Posted by: Don Q. at November 24, 2019 09:10 PM (NgKpN)
I expected this response and said at the beginning there were exceptions such as tunnel rats and other specialty situations. But horseshit is fine as a descriptor. The comments are free.
If you think regular troops need to be issued handguns, then i would say start a go fund me and get the department of defense to fix the problem.
It all depends on what the engagement range is.
Often during boarding Ops, I'd put the long gun away for a few
reasons. 1? .45 was faster to get on target. 2. So I could open
hatches and such and still shoot.
And 3? After going through a Hatch, or around a corner, a long gun is MUCH easier to knock off target than a pistol.
Posted by: Don Q. at November 24, 2019 09:10 PM (NgKpN)
I expected this response and said at the beginning there were exceptions such as tunnel rats and other specialty situations. But horseshit is fine as a descriptor. The comments are free.
If you think regular troops need to be issued handguns, then i would say start a go fund me and get the department of defense to fix the problem.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 09:13 PM (n13/j)
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303 301 Oh and...I MAY have a new CZ coming home tomorrow.
It's an 83, joining it's makarov shooting twin.
I...may have an addiction.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 09:12 PM (d1uFV)
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Save yourself and send them to me!
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 09:13 PM (MVjcR)
I appreciate your sacrifice and offer.
It's an 83, joining it's makarov shooting twin.
I...may have an addiction.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 09:12 PM (d1uFV)
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Save yourself and send them to me!
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 09:13 PM (MVjcR)
I appreciate your sacrifice and offer.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 09:14 PM (d1uFV)
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Can we shoot people who say to us "Gobble! Gobble!" this week?
Can we shoot people who say to us "Gobble! Gobble!" this week?
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 24, 2019 09:14 PM (LpUyf)
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The very first response to the president's tweet was
from a radical leftist c-word who warned the president
he had just lost all military support because he pardoned that SEAL and fired Dick Spencer.
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 24, 2019 09:08 PM (LpUyf)
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based on their personal knowledge of military thought patterns, from decades of uniformed service, right?
/white smoke
from a radical leftist c-word who warned the president
he had just lost all military support because he pardoned that SEAL and fired Dick Spencer.
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 24, 2019 09:08 PM (LpUyf)
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based on their personal knowledge of military thought patterns, from decades of uniformed service, right?
/white smoke
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 24, 2019 09:15 PM (10k4Q)
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I appreciate your sacrifice and offer.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 09:14 PM (d1uFV)
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*brohug*
I appreciate your sacrifice and offer.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 09:14 PM (d1uFV)
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*brohug*
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 09:15 PM (MVjcR)
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Well yeah, any gun is better than no gun.
I have a lever action .44 mag as my back door rifle.
I still need a 30-30 though...be trying to resist caliber sprawl.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 09:10 PM (d1uFV
I hear ya. The .44 mag will probably do the job.
I have a lever action .44 mag as my back door rifle.
I still need a 30-30 though...be trying to resist caliber sprawl.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 09:10 PM (d1uFV
I hear ya. The .44 mag will probably do the job.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 09:15 PM (n13/j)
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I bid out yesterday and picked up a S&W Model17-4 with an 8&3/8" barrel to go along with a S&W Model 41 - 7"barrel. I also have an addiction.
Posted by: Panhandler at November 24, 2019 09:15 PM (S/rwf)
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310 I bid out yesterday and picked up a S&W Model17-4 with an 8&3/8" barrel to go along with a S&W Model 41 - 7"barrel. I also have an addiction.
Posted by: Panhandler at November 24, 2019 09:15 PM (S/rwf)
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Geez, guys! We're going to have to come up with a 12 step program!
Posted by: Panhandler at November 24, 2019 09:15 PM (S/rwf)
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Geez, guys! We're going to have to come up with a 12 step program!
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 09:17 PM (MVjcR)
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If you think regular troops need to be issued
handguns, then i would say start a go fund me and get the department of
defense to fix the problem.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 09:13 PM (n13/j)
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no need for a pistol, going around inside a building...
just cook off a frag at every corner.
(and hope it's not drywall....
)
handguns, then i would say start a go fund me and get the department of
defense to fix the problem.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 09:13 PM (n13/j)
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no need for a pistol, going around inside a building...
just cook off a frag at every corner.
(and hope it's not drywall....
)Posted by: redc1c4 at November 24, 2019 09:17 PM (10k4Q)
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Hi, I'm Mark and I have a....gun collection.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 09:17 PM (d1uFV)
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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 3h
[Eddie keeping the]....honors that he has earned, including his Trident Pin. Admiral and now Ambassador to Norway Ken Braithwaite will be nominated by me to be the new Secretary of the Navy.
[Eddie keeping the]....honors that he has earned, including his Trident Pin. Admiral and now Ambassador to Norway Ken Braithwaite will be nominated by me to be the new Secretary of the Navy.
Posted by: Braenyard at November 24, 2019 09:18 PM (nhBb/)
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313 Hi, I'm Mark and I have a....gun collection.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 09:17 PM (d1uFV)
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We're also going to need a rehab center with a range.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 09:17 PM (d1uFV)
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We're also going to need a rehab center with a range.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 09:18 PM (MVjcR)
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We're going to have to come up with a 12 step program!
Hi, my name is Panhandler and I'm not an alcoholic due to the cost of ammo.
Hi, my name is Panhandler and I'm not an alcoholic due to the cost of ammo.
Posted by: Panhandler at November 24, 2019 09:19 PM (S/rwf)
317
Lever action for the mfkn WIN.
I LERV pretending I am Chuck Norris ripping down the dusty street.
I LERV pretending I am Chuck Norris ripping down the dusty street.
Posted by: mikeyG at November 24, 2019 09:19 PM (SX3FQ)
318
According to twitter, like, 12 SEALS, like, testified against Eddie Gallagher. And no one in "the military" agrees with the president, who is protecting a "war criminal" because he's, like, a criminal, too.
According to twitter, like, 12 SEALS, like, testified against Eddie Gallagher. And no one in "the military" agrees with the president, who is protecting a "war criminal" because he's, like, a criminal, too.
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 24, 2019 09:20 PM (LpUyf)
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256 Rhomboid, it is relatively easy to put finn trigger parts on a Mosin. The finns reengineered it pretty well and M39s generally have quite good trigger pulls. Smith-sights has some pretty good info on accurizing a Mosin and better sights for them of course without permanent alterations.
Posted by: whig at November 24, 2019 09:20 PM (MItID)
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[Eddie keeping the]....honors that he has earned, including his Trident Pin.
His beachball was insufficiently balanced.
His beachball was insufficiently balanced.
Posted by: mikeyG at November 24, 2019 09:20 PM (SX3FQ)
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Hi, I'm Mark and I have a....gun collection.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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I never thought I'd reach the point where someone l trust asks me "How many do you have?" that I'd have to stop and think.
But I have.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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I never thought I'd reach the point where someone l trust asks me "How many do you have?" that I'd have to stop and think.
But I have.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 24, 2019 09:21 PM (Y4EXg)
322
301 ... "I MAY have a new CZ coming home tomorrow.
It's an 83, joining it's makarov shooting twin.
I...may have an addiction."
Mark,
CZs can never be an addiction. We can stop whenever we want. It's just that we don't want to.
It's an 83, joining it's makarov shooting twin.
I...may have an addiction."
Mark,
CZs can never be an addiction. We can stop whenever we want. It's just that we don't want to.
Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 09:21 PM (bmdz3)
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Biggest news story of the day and everybody's fucking asleep.
Posted by: someguy91
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it's the weekend bro...
not every story gets its own poast.
the story as been discussed ad nauseum.
Posted by: someguy91
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it's the weekend bro...
not every story gets its own poast.
the story as been discussed ad nauseum.
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 24, 2019 09:22 PM (10k4Q)
324
Norris?
Posted by: klaftern at November 24, 2019 09:22 PM (RuIsu)
325
As Ramone said in in A Fistful of Dollars. "When a man with a .45 meats a man with a rifle, the man with the .45 is a dead man".
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Again, the obligatory segment from 'Judge Roy Bean':
f/f to 1:30
https://tinyurl.com/y6f9t7pa
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Again, the obligatory segment from 'Judge Roy Bean':
f/f to 1:30
https://tinyurl.com/y6f9t7pa
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2019 09:22 PM (xSo9G)
326
Can we shoot people who say to us "Gobble! Gobble!" this week?
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 24, 2019 09:14 PM (LpUyf)
"Gobble" no.
"OK Boomer" yes.
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 24, 2019 09:14 PM (LpUyf)
"Gobble" no.
"OK Boomer" yes.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:23 PM (L2ZTs)
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When I said lots of troops wanted a handgun, I was referring to WW2 in particular. I know when I went though infantry training many decades later, we barely qualified with the weapon. Of course there are many used for it. Just like they used the shotgun in "Nam a lot. But calling my commentary horse shit is ahistorical. Exceptions yes, but infantrymen with rifles win wars.
Even today you see very few militaries regularly issuing sub machine guns. The Israelis were famous for their UZI. The US has the MP-5, but that is rarely issued to the military.
But my interest in arguing this is basically nil. Gun guys like me and many others care about which sidearm is issued to the military. People went off when the 1911 was replaced by the Beretta. And now there is a new weapon. I would say not much has changed in the overall military world balance over these issues.
Even today you see very few militaries regularly issuing sub machine guns. The Israelis were famous for their UZI. The US has the MP-5, but that is rarely issued to the military.
But my interest in arguing this is basically nil. Gun guys like me and many others care about which sidearm is issued to the military. People went off when the 1911 was replaced by the Beretta. And now there is a new weapon. I would say not much has changed in the overall military world balance over these issues.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 09:23 PM (n13/j)
328
Twitter is full of twatters
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 24, 2019 09:23 PM (10k4Q)
329
I never thought I'd reach the point where someone l trust asks me "How many do you have?" that I'd have to stop and think.
I don't have to stop and think, without consulting my insurance inventory, I have no idea.
I don't have to stop and think, without consulting my insurance inventory, I have no idea.
Posted by: Panhandler at November 24, 2019 09:23 PM (S/rwf)
330
Just my two cents, but all the old retired military farts at the range thought the secnav and admiral were full of shit and playing with fire. Read the secnav's resignation letter. It's a stab in the back(expected) but quite a bit of chutzpah for a guy who reportedly secretly offered to rig a review board (probably an attempted set up).
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 24, 2019 09:24 PM (87EdW)
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In dense jungle at close range, 10 yards or less, I can see it but, the M1 Carbine still has more energy than the 45 acp.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 08:57 PM (WEBkv)
there is the story of the soldier in the Pacific who shot a Japanese with his M-1 Carbine, and the Japanese shot him back with his 8mm Nambu, and he figured if he had something stronger than teh 30-carbine he wouldn't have been shot in return.
there was a lot of call for stopping power, and in the Philippine Insurrection even the 38 was considered insufficient for close up fights, and the .45 was considered best for stopping someone close in, especially the Juramentados.
Actually, there was a lot of call after WWII for the hypervelocity, small caliber rounds that would cause more damage due to the bow shock substituting for the mass. A lot of the wildcats were searching for that sort of knock-down power. Of course then you need to start looking at non-lead rounds because at some point lead bullets don't hold up against the spin required and the friction with the barrel and air.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 24, 2019 08:57 PM (WEBkv)
there is the story of the soldier in the Pacific who shot a Japanese with his M-1 Carbine, and the Japanese shot him back with his 8mm Nambu, and he figured if he had something stronger than teh 30-carbine he wouldn't have been shot in return.
there was a lot of call for stopping power, and in the Philippine Insurrection even the 38 was considered insufficient for close up fights, and the .45 was considered best for stopping someone close in, especially the Juramentados.
Actually, there was a lot of call after WWII for the hypervelocity, small caliber rounds that would cause more damage due to the bow shock substituting for the mass. A lot of the wildcats were searching for that sort of knock-down power. Of course then you need to start looking at non-lead rounds because at some point lead bullets don't hold up against the spin required and the friction with the barrel and air.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 24, 2019 09:24 PM (1glZx)
332
A scary stat is that 154 tridents have been taken away since 2011. That's a lot.
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 24, 2019 09:24 PM (2DOZq)
333
Question for the Horde:
were the very first guns rifles or shotguns? Or perhaps neither? (Besides cannons.)
were the very first guns rifles or shotguns? Or perhaps neither? (Besides cannons.)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:24 PM (L2ZTs)
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333 Question for the Horde:
were the very first guns rifles or shotguns? Or perhaps neither? (Besides cannons.)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:24 PM (L2ZTs)
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Well now that's a pretty damn good question.
were the very first guns rifles or shotguns? Or perhaps neither? (Besides cannons.)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:24 PM (L2ZTs)
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Well now that's a pretty damn good question.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 09:25 PM (MVjcR)
335
Weasel, thanks.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:25 PM (L2ZTs)
336
I bought a Colt 1903 .32 this week. Another.
It has a "salt air" finish, significant pitting under the plain wood grips, it was made in 1939 and is right in the middle of the serial range of the guns sold to Japan. Half of all 1903's in 1938-1940 went to the Dutch East Indies, or to Japan.
A letter from Colt will tell me if it was sent to Japan.
Very very few 1903's ever came back from the Pacific.
It has a "salt air" finish, significant pitting under the plain wood grips, it was made in 1939 and is right in the middle of the serial range of the guns sold to Japan. Half of all 1903's in 1938-1940 went to the Dutch East Indies, or to Japan.
A letter from Colt will tell me if it was sent to Japan.
Very very few 1903's ever came back from the Pacific.
Posted by: retropox at November 24, 2019 09:26 PM (cprte)
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But calling my commentary horse shit is ahistorical.
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Agreed. Let's please not be ahistorical to each other on the Gun Thread, 'Kay?
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Agreed. Let's please not be ahistorical to each other on the Gun Thread, 'Kay?
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 09:27 PM (MVjcR)
338
Rifling wasn't developed until around the 1500s, and wasn't common for a few hundred years after that.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 24, 2019 09:27 PM (t+qrx)
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Re troops and handguns versus rifles- for Marine TOWS, if you made squad leader, you turned in the A2 and drew a Beretta (circa 1986-8
. Having a Beretta was very much a status symbol, at least back then, in my perception.
. Having a Beretta was very much a status symbol, at least back then, in my perception.Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 24, 2019 09:27 PM (87EdW)
340
10th Century China, Maybe for a fire arm or black powder shooting gizmo
Posted by: DBCooper at November 24, 2019 09:28 PM (bttOm)
341
Winchester '73 was a movie about rifles, starring Brian Dennehy as Moses.
Winchester '73 was a movie about rifles, starring Brian Dennehy as Moses.
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 24, 2019 09:28 PM (LpUyf)
342
when i went through the Harmony Church Institute of International Diplomacy and Dispute Resolution, we never even SAW a pistol.
thing change. i had one as an issue weapon a few times, over the years, but we almost never fired them.
thing change. i had one as an issue weapon a few times, over the years, but we almost never fired them.
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 24, 2019 09:28 PM (10k4Q)
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338 Rifling wasn't developed until around the 1500s, and wasn't common for a few hundred years after that.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 24, 2019 09:27 PM (t+qrx)
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Were the first smoothbores considered shotguns?
Posted by: hogmartin at November 24, 2019 09:27 PM (t+qrx)
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Were the first smoothbores considered shotguns?
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 09:29 PM (MVjcR)
344
Ahistorical was Def Leppard's best album.
Posted by: mikeyG at November 24, 2019 09:30 PM (SX3FQ)
345
338 Rifling wasn't developed until around the 1500s, and wasn't common for a few hundred years after that.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 24, 2019 09:27 PM (t+qrx)
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Were the first smoothbores considered shotguns?
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 09:29 PM (MVjcR)
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Meant to add: maybe the question is long gun or handgun.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 24, 2019 09:27 PM (t+qrx)
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Were the first smoothbores considered shotguns?
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 09:29 PM (MVjcR)
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Meant to add: maybe the question is long gun or handgun.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 09:31 PM (MVjcR)
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there is the story of the soldier in the Pacific who shot a Japanese with his M-1 Carbine, and the Japanese shot him back with his 8mm Nambu, and he figured if he had something stronger than teh 30-carbine he wouldn't have been shot in return.
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A friend of mine was an Alamo Scout. I asked him about weapons while operating on occupied Luzon. I had seen pictures of Scouts with the usual array of weapons, 1911's, Thompson's, M-1 carbine, and Garand.
"Garand", he replied, we didn't want any wounded, and we did not take prisoners.
there is the story of the soldier in the Pacific who shot a Japanese with his M-1 Carbine, and the Japanese shot him back with his 8mm Nambu, and he figured if he had something stronger than teh 30-carbine he wouldn't have been shot in return.
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A friend of mine was an Alamo Scout. I asked him about weapons while operating on occupied Luzon. I had seen pictures of Scouts with the usual array of weapons, 1911's, Thompson's, M-1 carbine, and Garand.
"Garand", he replied, we didn't want any wounded, and we did not take prisoners.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2019 09:31 PM (CDGwz)
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333 Question for the Horde:
were the very first guns rifles or shotguns? Or perhaps neither? (Besides cannons.)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:24 PM (L2ZTs)
You should ask the Chinese.
were the very first guns rifles or shotguns? Or perhaps neither? (Besides cannons.)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:24 PM (L2ZTs)
You should ask the Chinese.
Posted by: Braenyard at November 24, 2019 09:31 PM (nhBb/)
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were the very first guns rifles or shotguns? Or perhaps neither? (Besides cannons.)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:24 PM (L2ZTs)
Totally jumping in being ig'nunt about such things.
Rifles have been around for a while. One of my indirect ancestors was a Lieutenant in Wellington's Rifles, fighting Napoleon. I even have his memoir.
Bottom line, rifled guns back then took longer to load, but the accuracy was through the roof. Rifle companies were kind of like snipers.
Anyhoo, smooth bore vs rifled bore.
Keep in mind, I am well lubricated with demonic spirits.
were the very first guns rifles or shotguns? Or perhaps neither? (Besides cannons.)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:24 PM (L2ZTs)
Totally jumping in being ig'nunt about such things.
Rifles have been around for a while. One of my indirect ancestors was a Lieutenant in Wellington's Rifles, fighting Napoleon. I even have his memoir.
Bottom line, rifled guns back then took longer to load, but the accuracy was through the roof. Rifle companies were kind of like snipers.
Anyhoo, smooth bore vs rifled bore.
Keep in mind, I am well lubricated with demonic spirits.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Movie Cricket at November 24, 2019 09:32 PM (x8Wzq)
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As I understand it, handguns are a relatively new gun invention/format. I don't think there was any such thing as a 'handgun' during the Revolutionary War.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:32 PM (L2ZTs)
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how can they take away a SEAL's Budweiser?
you pass the training, you've earned it for life.
they can take you out of SPECWAR if they want, but that's like revoking jump wings or a ranger tab: it ought to be a life award.
you pass the training, you've earned it for life.
they can take you out of SPECWAR if they want, but that's like revoking jump wings or a ranger tab: it ought to be a life award.
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 24, 2019 09:32 PM (10k4Q)
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were the very first guns rifles or shotguns? Or perhaps neither? (Besides cannons.)\
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:24 PM (L2ZTs)
There was some indication that they actually shot arrows, but I suppose they shot whatever they stuffed down the barrel.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:24 PM (L2ZTs)
There was some indication that they actually shot arrows, but I suppose they shot whatever they stuffed down the barrel.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 24, 2019 09:32 PM (1glZx)
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Braenyard, was thinking the same thing.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:32 PM (L2ZTs)
353
I guess maybe. My understanding is that the earliest guns (Chinese, like DBCooper said) were more like pyrotechnic Roman candle things than smoothbore longarms.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 24, 2019 09:32 PM (t+qrx)
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Were the first smoothbores considered shotguns?
Posted by: Weasel
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Only if you loaded multiple balls.
Were the first smoothbores considered shotguns?
Posted by: Weasel
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Only if you loaded multiple balls.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2019 09:33 PM (CDGwz)
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349 As I understand it, handguns are a relatively new gun invention/format. I don't think there was any such thing as a 'handgun' during the Revolutionary War.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:32 PM (L2ZTs)
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Didn't pirates have them? Pretty sure I've seen that in movies.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:32 PM (L2ZTs)
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Didn't pirates have them? Pretty sure I've seen that in movies.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 09:33 PM (MVjcR)
356
As I understand it, handguns are a relatively new gun invention/format. I don't think there was any such thing as a 'handgun' during the Revolutionary War.
Posted by: qdpsteve
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Sure there was, well prior in fact.
Posted by: qdpsteve
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Sure there was, well prior in fact.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2019 09:34 PM (CDGwz)
357
As I understand it, handguns are a relatively new
gun invention/format. I don't think there was any such thing as a
'handgun' during the Revolutionary War.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:32 PM (L2ZTs)
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muzzle loading pistols...
https://weaponsusedduringtheamericanrevo.weebly.com/
gun invention/format. I don't think there was any such thing as a
'handgun' during the Revolutionary War.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:32 PM (L2ZTs)
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muzzle loading pistols...
https://weaponsusedduringtheamericanrevo.weebly.com/
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 24, 2019 09:34 PM (10k4Q)
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As I understand it, handguns are a relatively new gun invention/format. I don't think there was any such thing as a 'handgun' during the Revolutionary War.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:32 PM (L2ZTs)
Wheellock pistols for cavalry and dragoons have been around since the 30 years war, at least.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:32 PM (L2ZTs)
Wheellock pistols for cavalry and dragoons have been around since the 30 years war, at least.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 24, 2019 09:34 PM (t+qrx)
359
Weasel, I think pirates and people like them, had short-barreled shotguns. But I am definitely not the expert on anything having to do with guns.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:34 PM (L2ZTs)
360
Were the first smoothbores considered shotguns?
maybe the question is long gun or handgun.
There you go Weasel, another memorable Gun Thread topic.
maybe the question is long gun or handgun.
There you go Weasel, another memorable Gun Thread topic.
Posted by: Panhandler at November 24, 2019 09:34 PM (S/rwf)
361
333 ..."were the very first guns rifles or shotguns? Or perhaps neither? (Besides cannons.)"
The first firearms were simple tubes, closed at one end and had a fuse of some sort to ignite the powder. No rifling. They might have shot pellets or even arrows. Of course every shot was preceded by the expectation that the thing would blow up which would detract from careful marksmanship. :-)
The first firearms were simple tubes, closed at one end and had a fuse of some sort to ignite the powder. No rifling. They might have shot pellets or even arrows. Of course every shot was preceded by the expectation that the thing would blow up which would detract from careful marksmanship. :-)
Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 09:34 PM (bmdz3)
362
Mike, really? I learn new stuff here every day. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:35 PM (L2ZTs)
363
Blunderbluss.
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 24, 2019 09:35 PM (2DOZq)
364
Seems like pirates carried a "brace" of pistols predating 1776.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 24, 2019 09:35 PM (87EdW)
365
339, I hated the Beretta 92 because I could no longer use the Model 15 S&W revolvers as those were retired from service. The 92 is great if you have big hands, no so good if you have small ones. The K frame Smith is one of the rare older pistols like the Browning HP or the 1911 that can accommodate different hand sizes.
Posted by: whig at November 24, 2019 09:35 PM (MItID)
366
I don't think there was any such thing as a 'handgun' during the Revolutionary War.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:32 PM (L2ZTs)
Not as such, but a single shot pistol was what Aaron Burr used to kill Alexander Hamilton.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:32 PM (L2ZTs)
Not as such, but a single shot pistol was what Aaron Burr used to kill Alexander Hamilton.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Movie Cricket at November 24, 2019 09:35 PM (x8Wzq)
367
Before the ONT comes along, I just want to wish you all a Happy Thanksgiving. I'm personally thankful for Ace's blog and getting to hang out here with you all every week.
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 09:35 PM (MVjcR)
368
Blunderbuss for home protection.
Posted by: Braenyard at November 24, 2019 09:36 PM (nhBb/)
369
And didn't Burr and Hamilton duel with pistols? So certainly at least contemporary.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 24, 2019 09:36 PM (87EdW)
370
Weasel, thanks and right back atcha!
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:36 PM (L2ZTs)
371
Blunderbluss.
Posted by: Easy Andy
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A fistful of powder, a fistful of broken glass and gravel, good to go!
Posted by: Easy Andy
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A fistful of powder, a fistful of broken glass and gravel, good to go!
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2019 09:37 PM (CDGwz)
372
Thanks for another informative thread Weasel. Good night.
Posted by: whig at November 24, 2019 09:37 PM (MItID)
373
Thanks Weasel and HT to you too!
Posted by: Tonypete at November 24, 2019 09:37 PM (Y4EXg)
374
Hi, I'm Mark and I have a....gun collection.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 09:17 PM (d1uFV)
I bought a cz 75 SA once. I it was a very nice weapon. No doubt the CZ's are fine ordnance. I think Hogmartin mentioned the small slide. That bothered be as well. But I bet that is the 1911 fan talking. No doubt everyone respects the CZ guns.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 09:17 PM (d1uFV)
I bought a cz 75 SA once. I it was a very nice weapon. No doubt the CZ's are fine ordnance. I think Hogmartin mentioned the small slide. That bothered be as well. But I bet that is the 1911 fan talking. No doubt everyone respects the CZ guns.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 09:37 PM (n13/j)
375
Dueling Pistols: Because swords and tomahawks make your arm tired.
Posted by: mikeyG at November 24, 2019 09:37 PM (SX3FQ)
376
360 Were the first smoothbores considered shotguns?
maybe the question is long gun or handgun.
There you go Weasel, another memorable Gun Thread topic.
Posted by: Panhandler at November 24, 2019 09:34 PM (S/rwf)
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Could be!
maybe the question is long gun or handgun.
There you go Weasel, another memorable Gun Thread topic.
Posted by: Panhandler at November 24, 2019 09:34 PM (S/rwf)
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Could be!
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 09:37 PM (MVjcR)
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Thanks, Weasel! Nice to have you and the thread around. Have a good week.
Posted by: hogmartin at November 24, 2019 09:38 PM (t+qrx)
378
As I understand it, handguns are a relatively new
gun invention/format. I don't think there was any such thing as a
'handgun' during the Revolutionary War.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:32 PM (L2ZTs)
Nope. They were made early, as far back as the matchlock period, but they became useful when the wheel-lock was developed, since it really only needed a single hand to operate. It was a weapon that allowed cavalry to carry firearms as well.
gun invention/format. I don't think there was any such thing as a
'handgun' during the Revolutionary War.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:32 PM (L2ZTs)
Nope. They were made early, as far back as the matchlock period, but they became useful when the wheel-lock was developed, since it really only needed a single hand to operate. It was a weapon that allowed cavalry to carry firearms as well.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 24, 2019 09:39 PM (1glZx)
379
Easy Andy, like minds.
Posted by: Braenyard at November 24, 2019 09:39 PM (nhBb/)
380
Actually, there was a lot of call after WWII for the hypervelocity, small caliber rounds that would cause more damage due to the bow shock substituting for the mass. A lot of the wildcats were searching for that sort of knock-down power. Of course then you need to start looking at non-lead rounds because at some point lead bullets don't hold up against the spin required and the friction with the barrel and air.
Posted by: Kindltot at November
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By Wildcats, are you referring to the 81st Division?
My FNL was in the 81st.
His stories were awesome.
Posted by: Kindltot at November
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By Wildcats, are you referring to the 81st Division?
My FNL was in the 81st.
His stories were awesome.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 24, 2019 09:39 PM (axyOa)
381
Kindltot, thanks!
Thanks to everyone else too for all the great info, this is stuff I never learned about before.
Thanks to everyone else too for all the great info, this is stuff I never learned about before.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:39 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Kindltot at November 24, 2019 09:40 PM (1glZx)
Posted by: J.E.B. Stuart at November 24, 2019 09:41 PM (CDGwz)
384
Hi, I'm Mark and I have a....gun collection.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 09:17 PM (d1uFV)
HI MARK!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 09:17 PM (d1uFV)
HI MARK!
Posted by: Diogenes at November 24, 2019 09:41 PM (axyOa)
385
Dueling Pistols: Because swords and tomahawks make your arm tired.
Posted by: mikeyG at November 24, 2019 09:37 PM (SX3FQ
The Patriot wasn't a very good movie except that it had one of the best movie scenes ever. Aim small miss small.
Posted by: mikeyG at November 24, 2019 09:37 PM (SX3FQ
The Patriot wasn't a very good movie except that it had one of the best movie scenes ever. Aim small miss small.
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 24, 2019 09:41 PM (2DOZq)
386
Lever action for the mfkn WIN.
I LERV pretending I am Chuck Norris ripping down the dusty street.
Posted by: mikeyG at November 24, 2019 09:19 PM (SX3FQ)
Chuck Connors? BTW, Lone Wolf Mcquade is free on Netflix with Chuck Norris. It never gets the credit, but for sure it is what lead to Walker Texas Ranger.
I LERV pretending I am Chuck Norris ripping down the dusty street.
Posted by: mikeyG at November 24, 2019 09:19 PM (SX3FQ)
Chuck Connors? BTW, Lone Wolf Mcquade is free on Netflix with Chuck Norris. It never gets the credit, but for sure it is what lead to Walker Texas Ranger.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 09:41 PM (n13/j)
387
we have a brace of CZ-52s, out somewhere in the toy boxes.
i've had mine for years, and herself bought one at the local gun show, back when we could still have those here in my part of #Failifornia.
and yes, there was a background check. the only people offering to sell guns off the books at those here are undercover cops, looking for an idiot.
i've had mine for years, and herself bought one at the local gun show, back when we could still have those here in my part of #Failifornia.
and yes, there was a background check. the only people offering to sell guns off the books at those here are undercover cops, looking for an idiot.
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 24, 2019 09:43 PM (10k4Q)
388
but you need to get out and practice your skills!
Hmm late to the thread. I have a practical object lesson to back up the encouragement to hit the range. Unfortunately. I've bow hunted the previous 8 years. Haven't picked up my Remington 760 30 06 in 8 years. Decided to go back to rifle this year. I've had good success hunting with the rifle. Didn't bother to put any time in prior to the season. Monday ( season closed on Tuesday) I had a decent buck come in to my stand in the morning. 50 yard shot broadside. I shot high hit the deer in upper back/shoulder area based on what I found tracking. Tracked for 4 hours and jumped him on the edge of a neighbor's property. He ran full speed across a road to another neighbor's property that I wouldn't even consider asking. Went in ate lunch stuck my clothes in the dryer and went back out late afternoon to a different stand. An hour of daylight left a bigger buck ( 8 to 10 pt) came off a hill. 50 yard shot. He quartering towards me but it was a doable shot. Clean miss. I'm pissed. Went back down to the house set up a target at about 50 yards. Used the welding table as a rest. 4 shots within an inch of center. Humility tastes nothing like jerky and venison chili.
Hmm late to the thread. I have a practical object lesson to back up the encouragement to hit the range. Unfortunately. I've bow hunted the previous 8 years. Haven't picked up my Remington 760 30 06 in 8 years. Decided to go back to rifle this year. I've had good success hunting with the rifle. Didn't bother to put any time in prior to the season. Monday ( season closed on Tuesday) I had a decent buck come in to my stand in the morning. 50 yard shot broadside. I shot high hit the deer in upper back/shoulder area based on what I found tracking. Tracked for 4 hours and jumped him on the edge of a neighbor's property. He ran full speed across a road to another neighbor's property that I wouldn't even consider asking. Went in ate lunch stuck my clothes in the dryer and went back out late afternoon to a different stand. An hour of daylight left a bigger buck ( 8 to 10 pt) came off a hill. 50 yard shot. He quartering towards me but it was a doable shot. Clean miss. I'm pissed. Went back down to the house set up a target at about 50 yards. Used the welding table as a rest. 4 shots within an inch of center. Humility tastes nothing like jerky and venison chili.
Posted by: Sock Monkey..wearing my kilt need to upgrade with a Claymore at November 24, 2019 09:43 PM (Vgse4)
389
Chuck Connors? BTW, Lone Wolf Mcquade is free on
Netflix with Chuck Norris. It never gets the credit, but for sure it is
what lead to Walker Texas Ranger.
Posted by: Quint
Quint wins spot the drunk!
My Chuck failure shames me...
Netflix with Chuck Norris. It never gets the credit, but for sure it is
what lead to Walker Texas Ranger.
Posted by: Quint
Quint wins spot the drunk!
My Chuck failure shames me...
Posted by: mikeyG at November 24, 2019 09:43 PM (SX3FQ)
390
Quint, I really wish that Chuck Norris could have taken the role of Red in That 70s Show. That would have been awesome IMHO. Can you imagine him doing the "foot up your ass" bit? ;-)
He was contacted for it and I think even interested, but already had a commitment to Walker Texas Ranger.
He was contacted for it and I think even interested, but already had a commitment to Walker Texas Ranger.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:43 PM (L2ZTs)
391
Diogenes, wildcats were a class of modified cartridges developed by gunsmiths chasing that sweet spot of velocity, range, caliber and kinetic hit. They went from necking down 30-06 (the .270 was initially a wildcat) to making truly awesome and throat eroding rounds of questionable improvement.
If it says "improved" it is probably a wildcat. P. O. Ackley was one of the foremost developers.
If it says "improved" it is probably a wildcat. P. O. Ackley was one of the foremost developers.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 24, 2019 09:43 PM (1glZx)
392
I carry a handgun everyday because it would be 'awkward' to carry a long gun.
Posted by: Eromero at November 24, 2019 09:44 PM (UUkQp)
393
Chuck Connors? BTW, Lone Wolf Mcquade is free on Netflix with Chuck Norris. It never gets the credit, but for sure it is what lead to Walker Texas Ranger.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 09:41 PM (n13/j)
Steve McQueen (Bounty Hunter) had a nice rig.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 09:41 PM (n13/j)
Steve McQueen (Bounty Hunter) had a nice rig.
Posted by: Braenyard at November 24, 2019 09:46 PM (nhBb/)
394
Eromero, it's tough to conceal a long gun too.
"Is that a Winchester in your pants or are you just glad to see me?" ;-)
"Is that a Winchester in your pants or are you just glad to see me?" ;-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:46 PM (L2ZTs)
395
Hi, I'm Mark and I have a....gun collection.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 09:17 PM (d1uFV)
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/me laughs hysterically...
you call *that* a collection?
you keep using that word, but i do not think it means what you think it means.
when you need multiple safes, or a purpose built gun room, with security door, THEN you have a collection...
like Sam Kinnison said about rehab: "Friend, if you can come up with $10K, you don't have a problem."
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 09:17 PM (d1uFV)
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/me laughs hysterically...
you call *that* a collection?
you keep using that word, but i do not think it means what you think it means.
when you need multiple safes, or a purpose built gun room, with security door, THEN you have a collection...
like Sam Kinnison said about rehab: "Friend, if you can come up with $10K, you don't have a problem."
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 24, 2019 09:46 PM (10k4Q)
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392 I carry a handgun everyday because it would be 'awkward' to carry a long gun.
Posted by: Eromero at November 24, 2019 09:44 PM (UUkQp)
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You need to try a sling!
Posted by: Eromero at November 24, 2019 09:44 PM (UUkQp)
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You need to try a sling!
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 09:46 PM (MVjcR)
397
I have a lever action .44 mag as my back door rifle.
I still need a 30-30 though...be trying to resist caliber sprawl.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 09:10 PM (d1uFV)
Caliber sprawl. First world problem and a good one to have.
I still need a 30-30 though...be trying to resist caliber sprawl.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 24, 2019 09:10 PM (d1uFV)
Caliber sprawl. First world problem and a good one to have.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 24, 2019 09:48 PM (1CjJc)
398
..As I understand it, handguns are a relatively new gun invention/format. I don't think there was any such thing as a 'handgun' during the Revolutionary War.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:32 PM (L2ZTs)
Pistols were common enough then. See "Tower Pistol", for example.
Mostly carried in saddle-mounted scabbards, and not as often on the person.
And they were common as hell on the sailing ships of the day. The call to Repel Boarders would see much of the crew respond with a pistol in one hand, and cutlass or saber in the other.
Very effective as a melee weapon, even if only for that one critical shot.
Or one shot, three projectiles, if it was a "Duckfoot" pistol, another form of pistols not entirely uncommon aboard ship.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:32 PM (L2ZTs)
Pistols were common enough then. See "Tower Pistol", for example.
Mostly carried in saddle-mounted scabbards, and not as often on the person.
And they were common as hell on the sailing ships of the day. The call to Repel Boarders would see much of the crew respond with a pistol in one hand, and cutlass or saber in the other.
Very effective as a melee weapon, even if only for that one critical shot.
Or one shot, three projectiles, if it was a "Duckfoot" pistol, another form of pistols not entirely uncommon aboard ship.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at November 24, 2019 09:48 PM (QzJWU)
399
Chuck Connors played in the NBA and had a cup of coffee in the MLB majors
He got spotted playing in the minors in LA by a scout who liked the way he hammmed it up
He got spotted playing in the minors in LA by a scout who liked the way he hammmed it up
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 24, 2019 09:48 PM (mBK3U)
400
Jim, thanks!
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:49 PM (L2ZTs)
401
Posted by: Jim at November 24, 2019 09:48 PM (QzJWU)
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As usual, Jim bitch-slaps us with some knowledge!
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As usual, Jim bitch-slaps us with some knowledge!
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 09:50 PM (MVjcR)
402
If it says "improved" it is probably a wildcat. P. O. Ackley was one of the foremost developers.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 24, 2019 09:43 PM (1glZx)
Thanxs Ktot.
I came into this late so wasn't sure where the conversation stood.
My FNL carried the Carbine throughout the war in the Pacific. His thinking was if you got carry so much, better more ammo than other crap.
I miss him. Was so looking forward to hearing about his time in the Pacific as opposed to my time in Desert Storm and later in Somalia.
He died before I got home.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 24, 2019 09:43 PM (1glZx)
Thanxs Ktot.
I came into this late so wasn't sure where the conversation stood.
My FNL carried the Carbine throughout the war in the Pacific. His thinking was if you got carry so much, better more ammo than other crap.
I miss him. Was so looking forward to hearing about his time in the Pacific as opposed to my time in Desert Storm and later in Somalia.
He died before I got home.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 24, 2019 09:50 PM (axyOa)
403
Stranded on the toilet bowl
What do you do when you're stranded without a roll
What we sang in the second grade
What do you do when you're stranded without a roll
What we sang in the second grade
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 24, 2019 09:50 PM (mBK3U)
404
I said I never had much use for a pistol. Never said I didn't know how to use it.
Posted by: Quigley at November 24, 2019 09:51 PM (2DOZq)
405
If it says "improved" it is probably a wildcat. P. O. Ackley
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Mostly, but then, .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer.
If it says "improved" it is probably a wildcat. P. O. Ackley
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Mostly, but then, .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2019 09:51 PM (xSo9G)
406
So Trump apparently fired the Secretary of the Navy "like a dog" as per wiki.
https://tinyurl.com/v8z7mxw
Couldn't have happened to a better, err, worse, b*tch.
https://tinyurl.com/v8z7mxw
Couldn't have happened to a better, err, worse, b*tch.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 24, 2019 09:52 PM (WdocV)
407
Caliber sprawl.
Yeah.
Damn.
I just bought Mrs D a s&w .380.
I really thought she'd take to the 9 mm. Sadly no.
Yeah.
Damn.
I just bought Mrs D a s&w .380.
I really thought she'd take to the 9 mm. Sadly no.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 24, 2019 09:52 PM (axyOa)
408
405
If it says "improved" it is probably a wildcat. P. O. Ackley
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Mostly, but then, .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2019 09:51 PM (xSo9G)
Ah, the Steppenwolf cartridge.
If it says "improved" it is probably a wildcat. P. O. Ackley
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Mostly, but then, .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2019 09:51 PM (xSo9G)
Ah, the Steppenwolf cartridge.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 24, 2019 09:52 PM (NWiLs)
409
Question for the Horde:
were the very first guns rifles or shotguns? Or perhaps neither? (Besides cannons.)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:24 PM (L2ZTs)
that is a damn good question. My guess and this is just a guess, is they were types of shotguns. The thing with rifles is that they are old as well. Some mention that that the Civil War brought rifles into the mix and the Generals did not understand the change.
Nothing could be further from the truth. We all remember Daniel Morgan's rifles in the American Revolution as well as Kentucky Long Rifles. The issue with rifles is that the early forms were slow to load, fouled easily and they could not be fixed with a bayonet. They shot slowly so that riflemen had to be protected by musketmen.
The real innovation around the time of the Civil War was the Minnie Ball. This bullet shape allowed a shorter rifle- musket to be loaded quickly and it would not foul as early. And they could still use bayonets, though they didn't use them much.
I want to be clear, i no way i am crapping one handguns or sub caliber weapons. Pretty much anyone who carries, including law enforcement uses these weapons. But it is the guy who thinks a handgun is equal to a rifle who I question. But if a service member has particular knowledge of a handgun being superior in a particular situation, I defer to him for sure. And I thank him for his service. On that I am as clear as a bell. I am just chatting here. I never fired a round in combat.
were the very first guns rifles or shotguns? Or perhaps neither? (Besides cannons.)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:24 PM (L2ZTs)
that is a damn good question. My guess and this is just a guess, is they were types of shotguns. The thing with rifles is that they are old as well. Some mention that that the Civil War brought rifles into the mix and the Generals did not understand the change.
Nothing could be further from the truth. We all remember Daniel Morgan's rifles in the American Revolution as well as Kentucky Long Rifles. The issue with rifles is that the early forms were slow to load, fouled easily and they could not be fixed with a bayonet. They shot slowly so that riflemen had to be protected by musketmen.
The real innovation around the time of the Civil War was the Minnie Ball. This bullet shape allowed a shorter rifle- musket to be loaded quickly and it would not foul as early. And they could still use bayonets, though they didn't use them much.
I want to be clear, i no way i am crapping one handguns or sub caliber weapons. Pretty much anyone who carries, including law enforcement uses these weapons. But it is the guy who thinks a handgun is equal to a rifle who I question. But if a service member has particular knowledge of a handgun being superior in a particular situation, I defer to him for sure. And I thank him for his service. On that I am as clear as a bell. I am just chatting here. I never fired a round in combat.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 09:56 PM (n13/j)
410
My FNL carried the Carbine throughout the war in the Pacific.
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A nice pic of GI and carbine, from Life Magazine:
https://tinyurl.com/wz5hz6m
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A nice pic of GI and carbine, from Life Magazine:
https://tinyurl.com/wz5hz6m
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2019 09:57 PM (CDGwz)
411
I'm about done for today. See y'all tomorrow. As to shooting frequency/number of rounds, qualify twice a year for work and shoot quarterly. Quite frankly Mrs. E and I shoot a lot more than that.Thanks, Weasel.
Posted by: Eromero at November 24, 2019 09:58 PM (UUkQp)
412
Quint, thanks!
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 09:59 PM (L2ZTs)
413
Chuck Connors played in the NBA and had a cup of coffee in the MLB majors
He got spotted playing in the minors in LA by a scout who liked the way he hammmed it up
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 24, 2019 09:48 PM (mBK3U)
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and endorsed some Converse tennis shoes for basketball...
He got spotted playing in the minors in LA by a scout who liked the way he hammmed it up
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 24, 2019 09:48 PM (mBK3U)
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and endorsed some Converse tennis shoes for basketball...
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 24, 2019 10:00 PM (10k4Q)
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 10:01 PM (MVjcR)
415
ONT up
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 24, 2019 10:02 PM (L2ZTs)
416
' night all! Have a great week!
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2019 10:02 PM (MVjcR)
417
Good night Weasel and everyone. I hope we all have a wonderful Thanksgiving. Lord knows I have so much to be thankful for.
Posted by: JTB at November 24, 2019 10:03 PM (bmdz3)
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Stranded on the toilet bowl
What do you do when you're stranded without a roll
What we sang in the second grade
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 24, 2019 09:50 PM (mBK3U)
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true story: had to make an emergency pit stop at the local Trader Joes, and got in just in time (ulcerative colitis sucks, BTW) ...
once the emergency was over, i discovered that one of the local free range vagrants had carefully helped themself to BOTH oversize rolls of TP.
fortunately, i had my cell with me, and called the store. we all had a good laugh at my expense, and they appreciated me not being mad at them, since i know damn well they keep the rooms clean and stocked
What do you do when you're stranded without a roll
What we sang in the second grade
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 24, 2019 09:50 PM (mBK3U)
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true story: had to make an emergency pit stop at the local Trader Joes, and got in just in time (ulcerative colitis sucks, BTW) ...
once the emergency was over, i discovered that one of the local free range vagrants had carefully helped themself to BOTH oversize rolls of TP.
fortunately, i had my cell with me, and called the store. we all had a good laugh at my expense, and they appreciated me not being mad at them, since i know damn well they keep the rooms clean and stocked
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 24, 2019 10:04 PM (10k4Q)
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339, I hated the Beretta 92 because I could no
longer use the Model 15 SW revolvers as those were retired from
service. The 92 is great if you have big hands, no so good if you have
small ones. The K frame Smith is one of the rare older pistols like the
Browning HP or the 1911 that can accommodate different hand sizes.
Posted by: whig at November 24, 2019 09:35 PM (MItID)
i could see how females would really hate it. The Beretta was thick as crap. The Hi Power was and is the best gun in the hand ever produced. But the military does not like single action for some reason. I personally don't get it. It is just like a revolver. Don't pull the trigger and you are golden. Use a good holster that covers the trigger and you are golden.
longer use the Model 15 SW revolvers as those were retired from
service. The 92 is great if you have big hands, no so good if you have
small ones. The K frame Smith is one of the rare older pistols like the
Browning HP or the 1911 that can accommodate different hand sizes.
Posted by: whig at November 24, 2019 09:35 PM (MItID)
i could see how females would really hate it. The Beretta was thick as crap. The Hi Power was and is the best gun in the hand ever produced. But the military does not like single action for some reason. I personally don't get it. It is just like a revolver. Don't pull the trigger and you are golden. Use a good holster that covers the trigger and you are golden.
Posted by: Quint at November 24, 2019 10:05 PM (n13/j)
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Stranded, stranded on the toilet bowl,
without a roll
For the rest of your life you must prove,
that you're a man,
use your hand!
without a roll
For the rest of your life you must prove,
that you're a man,
use your hand!
Posted by: Gref at November 24, 2019 10:08 PM (AMIL/)
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Gonna name the weekly Gun Thread: "Weaseltopia".
Just down the road from Alextopia, only with fewer Raptors, and sans a Ravage.
Friendly folks 'round here. As Heinlein said: "An Armed Society is a Polite Society."
Makes ya feelz all warmz n' fuzziez, don't it!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Just down the road from Alextopia, only with fewer Raptors, and sans a Ravage.
Friendly folks 'round here. As Heinlein said: "An Armed Society is a Polite Society."
Makes ya feelz all warmz n' fuzziez, don't it!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at November 24, 2019 10:12 PM (QzJWU)
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I like the pistol diagnostic targets, too. I found a couple of sites on line for printable targets that include the diagnostic targets for left or right hand shooters. Sure, they will be on 8.5x11.0 sheet of paper, but do the job. I used a bunch when I got my latest gun.
Posted by: SlowedDown at November 24, 2019 10:44 PM (xKsev)
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#52, I've built 8 PSA ARs in three calibers and they have all had thousands of rounds through them. I love 'em, they're workhorses. I shoot 110 rounds twice a week(retirement is great). At fish&game I shoot 200 and 300 yards, a mag of each caliber(308&556) at each distance At Lyons I do the same at 100 and 200 yards. So yeah, I like a lot of rounds and often. I do 75gr 556 for 29 cents and 147gr 308 for 37 cents. Mags cost me 9 bucks each(25 308, 30 556) so I can do a range trip for less than 50 bucks with range fees and gas. I love it.
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