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Leaked Cache of Diplomatic Cables Proves How Thoroughly Iran Has Corrupted and Co-Opted the Iraqi Government
Iraq is essentially a client state of Iran.
Bush's failure to anticipate Iran joining the fight in Iraq, and his attempt to downplay the extent to which Iran was actively killing US soldiers, led to Iran becoming more brazen and more powerful in Iraq. I have trouble envisioning how the "verdict of history" will ever conclude that this war benefited the US. Iran seems to be the winner, and all it cost them was some IEDs and bribe-money. Video report here, which says that none of this is exactly a shock, but the cables do confirm what we expected, and suggest that maybe it's worse than we imagined. Skip to 2:50 to see some footage of the protests in Iraq against the government, over rising fuel costs. (France 24 blames this on Trump's sanctions against Iran because of course.)
Now leaked Iranian documents offer a detailed portrait of just how aggressively Tehran has worked to embed itself into Iraqi affairs, and of the unique role of [Iranian Quds Force leader General Qassim] Suleimani. The documents are contained in an archive of secret Iranian intelligence cables obtained by The Intercept and shared with the New York Times for this article, which is being published simultaneously by both news organizations. The unprecedented leak exposes Tehran's vast influence in Iraq, detailing years of painstaking work by Iranian spies to co-opt the country’s leaders, pay Iraqi agents working for the Americans to switch sides, and infiltrate every aspect of Iraq's political, economic, and religious life. ... According to one of the leaked Iranian intelligence cables, [Iraq's current prime minister] Abdul-Mahdi, who in exile worked closely with Iran while Saddam Hussein was in power in Iraq, had a "special relationship with the IRI" -- the Islamic Republic of Iran -- when he was Iraq's oil minister in 2014. The exact nature of that relationship is not detailed in the cable, and, as one former senior U.S. official cautioned, a "special relationship could mean a lot of things -- it doesn't mean he is an agent of the Iranian government." But no Iraqi politician can become prime minister without Iran's blessing, and Abdul-Mahdi, when he secured the premiership in 2018, was seen as a compromise candidate acceptable to both Iran and the United States. ... Cultivating Iraqi officials was a key part of [Iran's intelligence services and Revolutionary Guards'] job, and it was made easier by the alliances many Iraqi leaders forged with Iran when they belonged to opposition groups fighting Saddam. Many of Iraq's foremost political, military, and security officials have had secret relationships with Tehran, according to the documents. The same 2014 cable that described Abdul-Mahdi's "special relationship" also named several other key members of the cabinet of former Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi as having close ties with Iran. A political analyst and adviser on Iraq to Iran’s government, Gheis Ghoreishi, confirmed that Iran has focused on cultivating high-level officials in Iraq. "We have a good number of allies among Iraqi leaders who we can trust with our eyes closed," he said.
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First!
Posted by: Flyguy at November 18, 2019 03:43 PM (3sOO0)
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Secondish.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2019 03:43 PM (1CjJc)
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not First!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 18, 2019 03:43 PM (q80AH)
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And I read the post.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2019 03:43 PM (1CjJc)
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BOOM!
Posted by: random IED at November 18, 2019 03:44 PM (J1R3A)
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But it was their money! Obama just gave it back to them!
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 18, 2019 03:44 PM (1ISKN)
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Well that's the last time I get lunch at Goat-fil-A, I tell you what.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 18, 2019 03:44 PM (AURKQ)
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This is News?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 18, 2019 03:45 PM (cEsBM)
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But it was their money! Obama just gave it back to them!
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 18, 2019 03:44 PM (1ISKN)
With interest.
But it was their money! Obama just gave it back to them!
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 18, 2019 03:44 PM (1ISKN)
With interest.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 18, 2019 03:45 PM (N39Ws)
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This seems like a lot of reading. Pelicans are different than Albatrosses.
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 18, 2019 03:45 PM (yRAFu)
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 18, 2019 03:45 PM (J1R3A)
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That's what happens when you go in light and try to nation build.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 18, 2019 03:45 PM (Boy/L)
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I am so glad we gave these honest straight-shooters who totally don't pursue nuclear weapons all of that untraceable cash. Makes me sleep better at night, for sure.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 18, 2019 03:45 PM (I2dne)
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Iran seems to be the winner, and all it cost them was some IEDs and bribe-money.
I wonder where Iran got that money from? I mean, it's not like anyone just dropped a pallet of cash in their terrorist state, amirite?
I wonder where Iran got that money from? I mean, it's not like anyone just dropped a pallet of cash in their terrorist state, amirite?
Posted by: Flyguy at November 18, 2019 03:45 PM (3sOO0)
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Top 15?
Posted by: Thanatopsis at beautiful Chancre del Diablo ranch at November 18, 2019 03:45 PM (FxM44)
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15 Top 15?
Posted by: Thanatopsis at beautiful Chancre del Diablo ranch at November 18, 2019 03:45 PM (FxM44)
+++++++++++++
Just barely, but you made it.
Posted by: Thanatopsis at beautiful Chancre del Diablo ranch at November 18, 2019 03:45 PM (FxM44)
+++++++++++++
Just barely, but you made it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 18, 2019 03:46 PM (I2dne)
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Bush's weakness. We could have rolled Iran up and tossed it in the dustbin of history while we were already deployed over there.
AND taken their fucking oil while we were at it.
AND taken their fucking oil while we were at it.
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 03:46 PM (0/eGj)
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I have trouble envisioning how the "verdict of history" will ever conclude that this war benefited the US. Iran seems to be the winner, and all it cost them was some IEDs and bribe-money.
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*types*
*deletes*
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*types*
*deletes*
Posted by: SMH at November 18, 2019 03:46 PM (RU4sa)
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Well that's just Fabulous.
All the more reason for Trump to cut off Iran at the knees with sanctions and tell them to take their "deal" and shove it.
Interesting that this was published in the Qatar-financed Intercept, isn't it?
All the more reason for Trump to cut off Iran at the knees with sanctions and tell them to take their "deal" and shove it.
Interesting that this was published in the Qatar-financed Intercept, isn't it?
Posted by: Lizzy at November 18, 2019 03:46 PM (bDqIh)
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Surprisingly (not really), Iran is having a bit of an uprising again. Not that the media is covering it.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 18, 2019 03:46 PM (1ISKN)
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Frankly I'm not sure why this is considered news. Didn't everyone already know we were ceding Iraq when we withdrew?
Posted by: Someguy at November 18, 2019 03:47 PM (O+iVW)
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In hindsight, Iraq war a huge mistake. A contained Saddam was the best of very bad options. I was dead wrong on that one.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 03:47 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 18, 2019 03:47 PM (ycWCI)
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Given the riots that Iran is experiencing, I suspect they are discovering, to their surprise, a lesson that American and Great Britain have had to learn the hard way. You can win a foreign war completely, vanquish all of your opposition - and still completely bankrupt your own country in the process.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2019 03:47 PM (Kpl3J)
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We've got to start viewing our enemies around the world as needing to be destroyed. Anything else just lets them regroup and come back, and we really don't have the mentality for the long fight.
This includes dealing with the Left.
This includes dealing with the Left.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 18, 2019 03:47 PM (oVJmc)
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>>But it was their money! Obama just gave it back to them!
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 18, 2019 03:44 PM (1ISKN)
With interest.
Un-Taxed.
You try getting hold of Interest you are owed and NOT paying the Taxes on it.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 18, 2019 03:44 PM (1ISKN)
With interest.
Un-Taxed.
You try getting hold of Interest you are owed and NOT paying the Taxes on it.
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 03:47 PM (0/eGj)
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I never really understood why Iran's IEDs in Iraq wasn't an act of war against the US.
I guess the Bush Administration didn't want to have to declare war on Iran, even though it would've made some things easier and simpler?
"Deep State shenanigans and/or incompetence " only goes so far.
(I assume it's a truly stupid reason, or at least not a good one, but there *has* to be *a* reason.)
I guess the Bush Administration didn't want to have to declare war on Iran, even though it would've made some things easier and simpler?
"Deep State shenanigans and/or incompetence " only goes so far.
(I assume it's a truly stupid reason, or at least not a good one, but there *has* to be *a* reason.)
Posted by: Lance McCormick at November 18, 2019 03:47 PM (l8gTz)
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Meanwhile our intelligence agencies and State Dept. are pursuing regime change at home.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Warm Yourself with Rages and Roars from the Outrage Outlet! at November 18, 2019 03:47 PM (hLRSq)
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We've got to start viewing our enemies around the world as needing to be destroyed. Anything else just lets them regroup and come back, and we really don't have the mentality for the long fight.
This includes dealing with the Left.
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Yep.
This includes dealing with the Left.
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Yep.
Posted by: bicentennialguy at November 18, 2019 03:48 PM (vg8iE)
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Seeing as the Uniparty seems to have a real thing for Iran, I'm not entirely sure we weren't just doing their dirty work. That's not a crazy thought at this point, is it?
Posted by: ... at November 18, 2019 03:48 PM (SmoWR)
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Pyoffs from Iran, huh? Now where did they get all that cash???
>> Many of Iraq's foremost political, military, and security officials
have had secret relationships with Tehran, according to the documents.
The same 2014 cable that described Abdul-Mahdi's "special relationship"
also named several other key members of the cabinet of former Prime
Minister Haider al-Abadi as having close ties with Iran.
During Obama's presidency, naturally.He wanted this, hell, he might have intentionally helped them do this with his US cash payoffs + drawdown of troops.
>> Many of Iraq's foremost political, military, and security officials
have had secret relationships with Tehran, according to the documents.
The same 2014 cable that described Abdul-Mahdi's "special relationship"
also named several other key members of the cabinet of former Prime
Minister Haider al-Abadi as having close ties with Iran.
During Obama's presidency, naturally.He wanted this, hell, he might have intentionally helped them do this with his US cash payoffs + drawdown of troops.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 18, 2019 03:48 PM (bDqIh)
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I have trouble envisioning how the "verdict of history" will ever conclude that this war benefited the US. Iran seems to be the winner, and all it cost them was some IEDs and bribe-money.
Using half-million dollar smart bombs to blow up $4000 used Toyota pick-ups may not have been the optimal use of resources.
Using half-million dollar smart bombs to blow up $4000 used Toyota pick-ups may not have been the optimal use of resources.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 18, 2019 03:48 PM (O7MnT)
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I do not want to read that as I will lose what little zen I have.
I am a puddle of calm.
Sorry to thread jump but I wanted to get this linked before I forgot:
Uggh. I wish there was some actual clarification as to what they said because that doesn't sound like what they said.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 18, 2019 03:43 PM (WI7YS)
Fen, here's the link to the actual CFA statement. I had to go look it up myself because heaven forfend any of the news stories mentioning it link to original source documents.
https://www.chick-fil-afoundation.org/news-events/why-we-give-continuing-the-legacy-of-our-founder
I am a puddle of calm.
Sorry to thread jump but I wanted to get this linked before I forgot:
Uggh. I wish there was some actual clarification as to what they said because that doesn't sound like what they said.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 18, 2019 03:43 PM (WI7YS)
Fen, here's the link to the actual CFA statement. I had to go look it up myself because heaven forfend any of the news stories mentioning it link to original source documents.
https://www.chick-fil-afoundation.org/news-events/why-we-give-continuing-the-legacy-of-our-founder
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 18, 2019 03:48 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: 2009Refugee at November 18, 2019 03:48 PM (DfC7R)
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reverting to form. the Sasanians ruled Iran from Ctesiphon in Iraq.
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 18, 2019 03:48 PM (I9kTT)
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So Barky's planeload of billions in CASH going to Iran was just part of the Barky/ValJar/democrats plan to destabilize Iraq further and give more power and influence to Iran.
All put in place by Bush Inc.
All put in place by Bush Inc.
Posted by: Boots at November 18, 2019 03:48 PM (oGBso)
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Meanwhile our intelligence agencies and State Dept. are pursuing regime change at home.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Warm Yourself with Rages and Roars from the Outrage Outlet! at November 18, 2019 03:47 PM (hLRSq)
+++++++++++++
Only the US government at home could get the order of operations so catastrophically wrong. "Change the regime then destroy the country" is bass-ackwards.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Warm Yourself with Rages and Roars from the Outrage Outlet! at November 18, 2019 03:47 PM (hLRSq)
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Only the US government at home could get the order of operations so catastrophically wrong. "Change the regime then destroy the country" is bass-ackwards.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 18, 2019 03:48 PM (I2dne)
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I always imagined that the whole damn point of Bush's adventures in the area were to surround Iran and smash them. Take Afghanistan, great. Take Iraq, great. Get Turkey and Russia to at least stay neutral, great.
Surround the bastards and crush them. Super.
But no, just a bunch of fuckin' about drinking tea and playing minesweeper with your own keister.
Surround the bastards and crush them. Super.
But no, just a bunch of fuckin' about drinking tea and playing minesweeper with your own keister.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 18, 2019 03:49 PM (AURKQ)
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Another reason why the idea that Iraq could ever turn into just a peaceful democracy was a sad, deluded fantasy,
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 18, 2019 03:49 PM (Kpl3J)
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Buttplug is no longer on the bottom
Posted by: REDACTED at November 18, 2019 03:49 PM (rpxSz)
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Here's a question for the Horde: At what point in time did you realize that you had been had by the GOPee Bushyrovie types?
For me, it was the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" fraud, when we were supposed to defend Iraq's borders but not our own.
For me, it was the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" fraud, when we were supposed to defend Iraq's borders but not our own.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 03:49 PM (ujg0T)
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Psychoanalysis established the fact that the bird in dreams may be a symbol for the breast as well as the penis.
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 18, 2019 03:49 PM (yRAFu)
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Barry wrapped Iraq up in a nice little bow as a present for them right before remembering he needed to give them a few billion dollars, too.
Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 18, 2019 03:49 PM (0GvUH)
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Using half-million dollar smart bombs to blow up $4000 used Toyota pick-ups may not have been the optimal use of resources.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 18, 2019 03:48 PM (O7MnT)
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Much more than used trucks as VBIEDs.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 18, 2019 03:48 PM (O7MnT)
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Much more than used trucks as VBIEDs.
Posted by: SMH at November 18, 2019 03:49 PM (RU4sa)
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I am so glad we gave these honest straight-shooters who totally don't
pursue nuclear weapons all of that untraceable cash. Makes me sleep
better at night, for sure.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 18, 2019 03:45 PM (I2dne)
Nothing like turning over pallets of various global currencies from one nation to another to really communicate TRUST. Anyone who says it was like a bribe or a ransom is simply racist.
I am so glad we gave these honest straight-shooters who totally don't
pursue nuclear weapons all of that untraceable cash. Makes me sleep
better at night, for sure.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 18, 2019 03:45 PM (I2dne)
Nothing like turning over pallets of various global currencies from one nation to another to really communicate TRUST. Anyone who says it was like a bribe or a ransom is simply racist.
Posted by: MWR, The Public Intellectual (aka Beth) at November 18, 2019 03:50 PM (rP4OC)
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Yeah, I'm out of this convo before I get banned.
Posted by: SMH at November 18, 2019 03:50 PM (RU4sa)
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>>Buttplug is no longer on the bottom
He's really taken Iowa by the hips and gone balls deep campaigning there.
He's really taken Iowa by the hips and gone balls deep campaigning there.
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 03:50 PM (0/eGj)
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I guess the purple thumb didn't last?
Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at November 18, 2019 03:50 PM (xptlg)
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one bit of good news: the mullahs in Iraq do not like or trust the mullahs in Iran. and the Iraqi people are tired of the Iranians as well.
they know the history as well as I do. i mean, duh. they have to live there.
they know the history as well as I do. i mean, duh. they have to live there.
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 18, 2019 03:50 PM (I9kTT)
Posted by: REDACTED at November 18, 2019 03:50 PM (rpxSz)
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Meh, we shoulda nuked them after the Hostage Crisis and then again after 9/11. We wouldn't be having all these problems if we'd done that.
Force is the only thing those muzzie animals understand.
Force is the only thing those muzzie animals understand.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at November 18, 2019 03:50 PM (HaL55)
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Nothing a few more pallets of cash won't fix.
Posted by: wth at November 18, 2019 03:51 PM (v0R5T)
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"Bush's [...] attempt to downplay the extent to which Iran was actively killing US soldiers..."
Yeah, I never understood that. I mean the threat was an ever-expanding regional war, but Iran was pretty arrogant about their intervention. It seemed we were sort of asking for permission to wage a proper war when we should have been saying, "Mess with our foot soldiers, whoever you are, and you're going to get turned into molten glass."
Always bothered me. And now it's a legacy of the Bush Administration.
Yeah, I never understood that. I mean the threat was an ever-expanding regional war, but Iran was pretty arrogant about their intervention. It seemed we were sort of asking for permission to wage a proper war when we should have been saying, "Mess with our foot soldiers, whoever you are, and you're going to get turned into molten glass."
Always bothered me. And now it's a legacy of the Bush Administration.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at November 18, 2019 03:51 PM (6eEQ+)
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Here's a question for the Horde: At what point in time did you realize that you had been had by the GOPee Bushyrovie types?
For me, it was the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" fraud, when we were supposed to defend Iraq's borders but not our own.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 03:49 PM (ujg0T)
I am a bit slower. TARP.
Here's a question for the Horde: At what point in time did you realize that you had been had by the GOPee Bushyrovie types?
For me, it was the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" fraud, when we were supposed to defend Iraq's borders but not our own.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 03:49 PM (ujg0T)
I am a bit slower. TARP.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2019 03:52 PM (1CjJc)
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Correction: It costed Iran bribe money that they then got back via pallets of cash from Obama.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at November 18, 2019 03:52 PM (ayFCE)
Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 18, 2019 03:52 PM (0GvUH)
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It was a total waste especially after Paul Bremer disbanded the iraqi army
Posted by: Avi at November 18, 2019 03:52 PM (kSq2k)
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Bush's failure to anticipate Iran joining the fight in Iraq, and his attempt to downplay the extent to which Iran was actively killing US soldiers, led to Iran becoming more brazen and more powerful in Iraq.
Baathist death squads on a bounty system would have seemed a viable solution at the time. May still be viable.
Baathist death squads on a bounty system would have seemed a viable solution at the time. May still be viable.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at November 18, 2019 03:52 PM (e1mEI)
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22 In hindsight, Iraq war a huge mistake. A contained Saddam was the best of very bad options. I was dead wrong on that one.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 03:47 PM (OD2ni)
I was too.
In fairness, at least I never bought the Commiecrat turned Dhimmicrat Big Lie that Iraq was the "Wrong" war and Afghanistan the "Right" one.
Between those two nations, it was Iraq that had the better chance of "Nation Building", with a reasonably educated population and oil wealth .
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 03:47 PM (OD2ni)
I was too.
In fairness, at least I never bought the Commiecrat turned Dhimmicrat Big Lie that Iraq was the "Wrong" war and Afghanistan the "Right" one.
Between those two nations, it was Iraq that had the better chance of "Nation Building", with a reasonably educated population and oil wealth .
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 03:52 PM (ujg0T)
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>>So Barky's planeload of billions in CASH going to Iran was just part of
the Barky/ValJar/democrats plan to destabilize Iraq further and give
more power and influence to Iran.
Yes.
Don't forget the cash Obama paid them for the captured Navy guys, and also in exchange for the Americans who had been imprisoned in Iran for years, with this exchange made AFTER the Iran Deal had been signed (instead of making it a precondition to any deal).
Those payoffs were not their money by any stretch of the imagination.
the Barky/ValJar/democrats plan to destabilize Iraq further and give
more power and influence to Iran.
Yes.
Don't forget the cash Obama paid them for the captured Navy guys, and also in exchange for the Americans who had been imprisoned in Iran for years, with this exchange made AFTER the Iran Deal had been signed (instead of making it a precondition to any deal).
Those payoffs were not their money by any stretch of the imagination.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 18, 2019 03:53 PM (bDqIh)
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It was a total waste especially after Paul Bremer disbanded the iraqi army
Posted by: Avi at November 18, 2019 03:52 PM (kSq2k)
Yup. Big mistake
Posted by: Avi at November 18, 2019 03:52 PM (kSq2k)
Yup. Big mistake
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 18, 2019 03:53 PM (cEsBM)
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54 41
Here's a question for the Horde: At what point in time did you realize that you had been had by the GOPee Bushyrovie types?
For me, it was the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" fraud, when we were supposed to defend Iraq's borders but not our own.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 03:49 PM (ujg0T)
I am a bit slower. TARP.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2019 03:52 PM (1CjJc)
I was even slower. I had faint hope until Trump's election. All of the sudden all that Obamacare repeal and everything else was right out the window. Bush then speaking out AGAINST Trump while never raising voice as Obama shredded this country was the final nail.
F them all.
Here's a question for the Horde: At what point in time did you realize that you had been had by the GOPee Bushyrovie types?
For me, it was the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" fraud, when we were supposed to defend Iraq's borders but not our own.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 03:49 PM (ujg0T)
I am a bit slower. TARP.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2019 03:52 PM (1CjJc)
I was even slower. I had faint hope until Trump's election. All of the sudden all that Obamacare repeal and everything else was right out the window. Bush then speaking out AGAINST Trump while never raising voice as Obama shredded this country was the final nail.
F them all.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at November 18, 2019 03:53 PM (ayFCE)
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I was done with Bush at the megapursuit of Amnesty, but he had been riding the 9/11 Credit Train with me all along anyway. I never liked him.
Posted by: ... at November 18, 2019 03:53 PM (SmoWR)
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Meanwhile there are serious protests erupting all over the country right now. I hope that this time for sure the mullahs die in a fire.
Meanwhile there are serious protests erupting all over the country right now. I hope that this time for sure the mullahs die in a fire.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2019 03:53 PM (zBaqJ)
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"Iran seems to be the winner, and all it cost them was some IEDs and bribe-money."
And we reimbursed them for that, too.
And we reimbursed them for that, too.
Posted by: vrf at November 18, 2019 03:53 PM (L8qt4)
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"Another reason why the idea that Iraq could ever turn into just a peaceful democracy was a sad, deluded fantasy,
Posted by: Tom Servo"
Yup. Hate to say it, but I would probably vote for Tulsi Gabbard over Jeb Bush if that were ever a race.
Posted by: Tom Servo"
Yup. Hate to say it, but I would probably vote for Tulsi Gabbard over Jeb Bush if that were ever a race.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 03:53 PM (OD2ni)
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Thank former president bush and the neocons (6,000 dead americans) and their running dogs in the media. also the democrats who voted for iraq war.
Posted by: raimondo at November 18, 2019 03:53 PM (cqgYu)
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Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 18, 2019 03:48 PM (mf5HN)
Thanks.
Thanks.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Warm Yourself with Rages and Roars from the Outrage Outlet! at November 18, 2019 03:53 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 18, 2019 03:54 PM (Boy/L)
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Meanwhile there are serious protests erupting all over the country right now. I hope that this time for sure the mullahs die in a fire.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2019 03:53 PM (zBaqJ)
Meaning IRAN itself.
Meanwhile there are serious protests erupting all over the country right now. I hope that this time for sure the mullahs die in a fire.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2019 03:53 PM (zBaqJ)
Meaning IRAN itself.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2019 03:54 PM (zBaqJ)
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Now let's not get all wee-wee'd up here. Are you ready to submit to Islam?
Posted by: Baracka O at November 18, 2019 03:54 PM (eAZVt)
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>>It was a total waste especially after Paul Bremer disbanded the iraqi army
'Mustafa Quit
Abdullah got married
Should have known
we'd never get far'
'Mustafa Quit
Abdullah got married
Should have known
we'd never get far'
Posted by: Bryan Adams at November 18, 2019 03:54 PM (0/eGj)
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>>>27 I never really understood why Iran's IEDs in Iraq wasn't an act of war against the US.
I guess the Bush Administration didn't want to have to declare war on Iran, even though it would've made some things easier and simpler?
"Deep State shenanigans and/or incompetence " only goes so far.
(I assume it's a truly stupid reason, or at least not a good one, but there *has* to be *a* reason.)
...
I think it was because the war in Iraq was already going sideways and it was already unpopular, so announcing "Well now we're at war with a state three times the size of Iraq" was seen as detrimental to morale/PR, so we pretended it away.
I guess the Bush Administration didn't want to have to declare war on Iran, even though it would've made some things easier and simpler?
"Deep State shenanigans and/or incompetence " only goes so far.
(I assume it's a truly stupid reason, or at least not a good one, but there *has* to be *a* reason.)
...
I think it was because the war in Iraq was already going sideways and it was already unpopular, so announcing "Well now we're at war with a state three times the size of Iraq" was seen as detrimental to morale/PR, so we pretended it away.
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 03:54 PM (PbpT7)
74
Here's a question for the Horde: At what point in time did you realize that you had been had by the GOPee Bushyrovie types?
For me, it was the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" fraud, when we were supposed to defend Iraq's borders but not our own.
For me, it was flying in the aftermath of 9/11 and being treated like the enemy in my own fucking country when I did nothing wrong. Armed soldiers watching my every move while muzzies waltz through security without a second look.
Helluva job there, W, you globalist POS. "Religion of peace" my lily white ass...
Here's a question for the Horde: At what point in time did you realize that you had been had by the GOPee Bushyrovie types?
For me, it was the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" fraud, when we were supposed to defend Iraq's borders but not our own.
For me, it was flying in the aftermath of 9/11 and being treated like the enemy in my own fucking country when I did nothing wrong. Armed soldiers watching my every move while muzzies waltz through security without a second look.
Helluva job there, W, you globalist POS. "Religion of peace" my lily white ass...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at November 18, 2019 03:54 PM (HaL55)
75
Here's a question for the Horde: At what point in time did you realize that you had been had by the GOPee Bushyrovie types?
For me, it was the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" fraud, when we were supposed to defend Iraq's borders but not our own.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 03:49 PM (ujg0T)
Ohhhh there should be a thread about that where we can air the grievances.
Hmmm.
Medicare Part D and the refusal to actually prosecute the war in Iraq nudged me to the tipping point.
But when I really, truly, and utterly knew just how screwed in the non-happy fun way I had been by the GOP was a few months post January 20, 2017 when the GOP had everything that the GOP said it needed to pass the laws the GOP said they would pass if only they had the House, no, the House and Senate, no, we mean the House, Senate, and Presidency, yes, that and NOTHING was being done.
That was the last bandage from my eyes.
For me, it was the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" fraud, when we were supposed to defend Iraq's borders but not our own.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 03:49 PM (ujg0T)
Ohhhh there should be a thread about that where we can air the grievances.
Hmmm.
Medicare Part D and the refusal to actually prosecute the war in Iraq nudged me to the tipping point.
But when I really, truly, and utterly knew just how screwed in the non-happy fun way I had been by the GOP was a few months post January 20, 2017 when the GOP had everything that the GOP said it needed to pass the laws the GOP said they would pass if only they had the House, no, the House and Senate, no, we mean the House, Senate, and Presidency, yes, that and NOTHING was being done.
That was the last bandage from my eyes.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 18, 2019 03:54 PM (mf5HN)
76
Fen, here's the link to the actual CFA statement. I had to go look it up myself because heaven forfend any of the news stories mentioning it link to original source documents.
https://www.chick-fil-afoundation.org/news-events/why-we-give-continuing-the-legacy-of-our-founder
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 18, 2019 03:48 PM (mf5HN)
That's a generic statement about their charitable giving that doesn't address the issue at hand, i.e. not continuing to support Salvation Army or Fellowship of Christian Athletes.
https://www.chick-fil-afoundation.org/news-events/why-we-give-continuing-the-legacy-of-our-founder
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 18, 2019 03:48 PM (mf5HN)
That's a generic statement about their charitable giving that doesn't address the issue at hand, i.e. not continuing to support Salvation Army or Fellowship of Christian Athletes.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 18, 2019 03:54 PM (NWiLs)
77
hiya
Posted by: JT at November 18, 2019 03:54 PM (arJlL)
78
We've got to destroy the free market to save the free market or whatever the magic bullsh*t was.
Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 18, 2019 03:54 PM (0GvUH)
79
Ace..... I was willowed...
429 89 anyone remember what movie this line is from:
Regarding a missing wife:
Police Detective: Perhaps... your wife met someone...? Maybe a... lover, perhaps?
Angered Husband: You're talking about my wife. You're thinking of your own.
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 03:05 PM (PbpT7)
The movie is Frantic with Harrison Ford.... directed by the child rapist Roman P. It was a decent movie....
Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at November 18, 2019 03:49 PM (nEmT7)
Ace..... I was willowed...
429 89 anyone remember what movie this line is from:
Regarding a missing wife:
Police Detective: Perhaps... your wife met someone...? Maybe a... lover, perhaps?
Angered Husband: You're talking about my wife. You're thinking of your own.
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 03:05 PM (PbpT7)
The movie is Frantic with Harrison Ford.... directed by the child rapist Roman P. It was a decent movie....
Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at November 18, 2019 03:49 PM (nEmT7)
Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at November 18, 2019 03:54 PM (nEmT7)
80
Here's a question for the Horde: At what point in time did you realize that you had been had by the GOPee Bushyrovie types?
For me, it was the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" fraud, when we were supposed to defend Iraq's borders but not our own.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 03:49 PM (ujg0T)
I am a bit slower. TARP.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2019 03:52 PM
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McCain's candidacy.
For me, it was the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" fraud, when we were supposed to defend Iraq's borders but not our own.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 03:49 PM (ujg0T)
I am a bit slower. TARP.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2019 03:52 PM
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McCain's candidacy.
Posted by: reason at November 18, 2019 03:54 PM (q/kmn)
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>>>72 >>It was a total waste especially after Paul Bremer disbanded the iraqi army
'Mustafa Quit
Abdullah got married
Should have known
we'd never get far'
Posted by: Bryan Adams a
if only we'd listened to the Canadian Sage.
'Mustafa Quit
Abdullah got married
Should have known
we'd never get far'
Posted by: Bryan Adams a
if only we'd listened to the Canadian Sage.
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 03:55 PM (PbpT7)
82
67 Thank former president bush and the neocons (6,000 dead americans) and their running dogs in the media. also the democrats who voted for iraq war.
Posted by: raimondo at November 18, 2019 03:53 PM (cqgYu)
Careful raimondo, before long you will be a "Bitter Clinger" with statements like that.
Posted by: raimondo at November 18, 2019 03:53 PM (cqgYu)
Careful raimondo, before long you will be a "Bitter Clinger" with statements like that.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 03:55 PM (ujg0T)
83
The constitution of Japan was written in American English, the Constitution of Iraq was written in Arabic...
This simple fact tells you all you need to know about the success or failure of the Iraq War.
Alternatively, never trust a man who mispronounces common words.
This simple fact tells you all you need to know about the success or failure of the Iraq War.
Alternatively, never trust a man who mispronounces common words.
Posted by: Huxley's Eyeglass Emporium at November 18, 2019 03:55 PM (43qa7)
84
On the other hand, Iran has people burning down it's buildings. So they got that going for them.
I'm still hoping that turns into people burning down the mullahs. Barky will be hardest hit.
I'm still hoping that turns into people burning down the mullahs. Barky will be hardest hit.
Posted by: Ian S. at November 18, 2019 03:55 PM (ZGrMX)
85
I suppose a lot of what is written depends on when it is written. Iran has serious trouble at home right now with massive inflation, unemployment, unrest and a failing economy burdened with crushing sanctions.
The mullahs in Iran may have taken a more strategic position in Iraq after Obama pulled out but there is no guarantee they can hold it let alone keep control over Iran.
The mullahs in Iran may have taken a more strategic position in Iraq after Obama pulled out but there is no guarantee they can hold it let alone keep control over Iran.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 18, 2019 03:55 PM (ZLI7S)
86
Not too concerned about Iran-Iraq cozying up to each other.
I guess it makes Gulf States and Saudi Arabia less secure if Iran doesn't have to worry about it's Western flank ... but it's been a long time since Iraq actually had much of a functioning army anyways and even longer since I carried much what happened to Saudis and assorted Gulf states.
I guess it makes Gulf States and Saudi Arabia less secure if Iran doesn't have to worry about it's Western flank ... but it's been a long time since Iraq actually had much of a functioning army anyways and even longer since I carried much what happened to Saudis and assorted Gulf states.
Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at November 18, 2019 03:55 PM (hdzef)
87
30 Seeing as the Uniparty seems to have a real thing for Iran, I'm not entirely sure we weren't just doing their dirty work. That's not a crazy thought at this point, is it?
Posted by: ... at November 18, 2019 03:48 PM (SmoWR)
Iran and the KSA would love nothing more than to wipe each other off the map, and the Uniparty seems determined to make both of them turn their aim at us instead.
Posted by: ... at November 18, 2019 03:48 PM (SmoWR)
Iran and the KSA would love nothing more than to wipe each other off the map, and the Uniparty seems determined to make both of them turn their aim at us instead.
Posted by: Allie at November 18, 2019 03:55 PM (sm6Pk)
88
I guess Iraq was a mistake, but how do you factor in the treasonous left in foreign policy calculations? Every enemy had a ready-built ally in progressives, so long as they are out of power. Would Iraq have been a failure had we remained United? Pointless to even ask, I guess.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 18, 2019 03:55 PM (87EdW)
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G.W. Bush and the neocons were as destructive to the nation as any progressive. A pointless war that drains our treasury and our will, and strengthens our enemies, is actually worse that green-lighting the Iranian nuclear bomb and giving them billions.
The Left didn't sell me on Bush hatred back in the day because the reasons they gave were bogus. They lied because they couldn't admit that about 90% of what he was doing (no action on illegals, expanding Federal power etc.) was fine with them. I hate the gimpy lying bastard now. The existence of the Deep State and the fact that his family is steeped in it, these are obvious things now.
G.W. Bush and the neocons were as destructive to the nation as any progressive. A pointless war that drains our treasury and our will, and strengthens our enemies, is actually worse that green-lighting the Iranian nuclear bomb and giving them billions.
The Left didn't sell me on Bush hatred back in the day because the reasons they gave were bogus. They lied because they couldn't admit that about 90% of what he was doing (no action on illegals, expanding Federal power etc.) was fine with them. I hate the gimpy lying bastard now. The existence of the Deep State and the fact that his family is steeped in it, these are obvious things now.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 18, 2019 03:55 PM (Xs85z)
90
64
Meanwhile there are serious protests erupting all over the country right now. I hope that this time for sure the mullahs die in a fire.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2019 03:53 PM (zBaqJ)
The media is annoyingly quiet about the progress of protests in Iran. I think Iran's government could fall in a second Trump term.
Meanwhile there are serious protests erupting all over the country right now. I hope that this time for sure the mullahs die in a fire.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2019 03:53 PM (zBaqJ)
The media is annoyingly quiet about the progress of protests in Iran. I think Iran's government could fall in a second Trump term.
Posted by: Someguy at November 18, 2019 03:55 PM (O+iVW)
91
41
Here's a question for the Horde: At what point in time did you realize that you had been had by the GOPee Bushyrovie types?
Harriet Miers was the starting point for me.
Here's a question for the Horde: At what point in time did you realize that you had been had by the GOPee Bushyrovie types?
Harriet Miers was the starting point for me.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 18, 2019 03:55 PM (1XNk8)
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>>>The movie is Frantic with Harrison Ford.... directed by the child rapist Roman P. It was a decent movie....
Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at November 18, 2019 03:49 PM (nEmT7)
yup. I thought of that line when someone badmouthed Dunkin Donuts. I wanted to say, "You're talking about my coffee shop, you're thinking of your own."
Good line.
Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at November 18, 2019 03:49 PM (nEmT7)
yup. I thought of that line when someone badmouthed Dunkin Donuts. I wanted to say, "You're talking about my coffee shop, you're thinking of your own."
Good line.
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 03:55 PM (PbpT7)
93
At least Dubya was a healer. He was able to get both the Sunni and Shiite Muslims to work together against the Great Satan.
Posted by: Roy at November 18, 2019 03:55 PM (hr2+k)
94
62
I am a bit slower. TARP.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2019 03:52 PM (1CjJc)
I was even slower. I had faint hope until Trump's election. All of
the sudden all that Obamacare repeal and everything else was right out
the window. Bush then speaking out AGAINST Trump while never raising
voice as Obama shredded this country was the final nail.
F them all.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at November 18, 2019 03:53 PM (ayFCE)
What's a Seawolf - That was what did it for me. We must give up democracy to save it b.s.
I am a bit slower. TARP.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2019 03:52 PM (1CjJc)
I was even slower. I had faint hope until Trump's election. All of
the sudden all that Obamacare repeal and everything else was right out
the window. Bush then speaking out AGAINST Trump while never raising
voice as Obama shredded this country was the final nail.
F them all.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at November 18, 2019 03:53 PM (ayFCE)
What's a Seawolf - That was what did it for me. We must give up democracy to save it b.s.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 18, 2019 03:55 PM (N39Ws)
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75 That was the last bandage from my eyes.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 18, 2019 03:54 PM (mf5HN)
The cherry on top was John McStains thumbs down on repeal of Obamacare.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 18, 2019 03:54 PM (mf5HN)
The cherry on top was John McStains thumbs down on repeal of Obamacare.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2019 03:56 PM (zBaqJ)
96
and yes, i supported the Iraq Attaq and i deserve to eat a big plate of shit. I was an idiot. I trusted the Kristols and the Frums and the Bushes.
I won't be supporting more meddling that far from home.
as for when I started going this seriously anti war: the Syrian civil war and that RETARDED attack on Libya.
I won't be supporting more meddling that far from home.
as for when I started going this seriously anti war: the Syrian civil war and that RETARDED attack on Libya.
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 18, 2019 03:56 PM (I9kTT)
97
Yup. Hate to say it, but I would probably vote for Tulsi Gabbard over Jeb Bush if that were ever a race.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 03:53 PM (OD2ni)
me too
and Id rather spend a night in a foxhole also
Yup. Hate to say it, but I would probably vote for Tulsi Gabbard over Jeb Bush if that were ever a race.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 03:53 PM (OD2ni)
me too
and Id rather spend a night in a foxhole also
Posted by: Avi at November 18, 2019 03:56 PM (kSq2k)
98
Well there is this. Iran broke it, they bought it, now.
Posted by: blaster at November 18, 2019 03:56 PM (9VeU0)
99
Top. Men.
Posted by: G marks the spot at November 18, 2019 03:56 PM (GXoKW)
100
a scan of that story reveals a lot of bribes, buy outs, pay outs, etc. by Iran to Iraqis at the end of Obama's run. They had to restock the mosque so that's where the pallets of cash went.
Posted by: DanMan at November 18, 2019 03:56 PM (XTiHL)
101
90 64
Meanwhile there are serious protests erupting all over the country right now. I hope that this time for sure the mullahs die in a fire.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2019 03:53 PM (zBaqJ)
The media is annoyingly quiet about the progress of protests in Iran. I think Iran's government could fall in a second Trump term.
Posted by: Someguy at November 18, 2019 03:55 PM (O+iVW)
I saw a report that protestors actually torched the central bank in Tehran. Wow.
Meanwhile there are serious protests erupting all over the country right now. I hope that this time for sure the mullahs die in a fire.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2019 03:53 PM (zBaqJ)
The media is annoyingly quiet about the progress of protests in Iran. I think Iran's government could fall in a second Trump term.
Posted by: Someguy at November 18, 2019 03:55 PM (O+iVW)
I saw a report that protestors actually torched the central bank in Tehran. Wow.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2019 03:56 PM (zBaqJ)
102
Curmudgeon: "For me, it was the 'Comprehensive Immigration Reform' fraud, when we were supposed to defend Iraq's borders but not our own."
Bush the First. As soon as Reagan was out, the Deep State of the GOP re-entrenched. I knew GWB was a globalist when he was Governor of Texas and long before his presidency. But it was a binary choice of Bush v. Gore and the Deep State bench was always, um, deep. We'd been set up for a loss from the get-go.
Bush the First. As soon as Reagan was out, the Deep State of the GOP re-entrenched. I knew GWB was a globalist when he was Governor of Texas and long before his presidency. But it was a binary choice of Bush v. Gore and the Deep State bench was always, um, deep. We'd been set up for a loss from the get-go.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at November 18, 2019 03:57 PM (6eEQ+)
103
Iranian Shiites co-opted Iraqi Shiites more accurately.
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 18, 2019 03:57 PM (Q5ALd)
104
In hindsight, Iraq war a huge mistake. A contained Saddam was the best of very bad options. I was dead wrong on that one.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 03:47 PM (OD2ni)
I disagree. "Containing Saddam" meant keeping US Forces in place for another twenty or thirty years, only to deal with the inevitable collapse when either his sons died, or the country descended into civil war anyways. Pulling out would have given him the appearance of a win over the US. And the Iraqi military was in no condition to be a threat to Iran.
Removing him was still the best of a lot of bad options.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 03:47 PM (OD2ni)
I disagree. "Containing Saddam" meant keeping US Forces in place for another twenty or thirty years, only to deal with the inevitable collapse when either his sons died, or the country descended into civil war anyways. Pulling out would have given him the appearance of a win over the US. And the Iraqi military was in no condition to be a threat to Iran.
Removing him was still the best of a lot of bad options.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at November 18, 2019 03:57 PM (wCmLp)
105
56 >>Buttplug is no longer on the bottom
-
But also not in the black.
Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 18, 2019 03:52 PM (0GvUH)
his support of African Americans is firming up quite nicely
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But also not in the black.
Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at November 18, 2019 03:52 PM (0GvUH)
his support of African Americans is firming up quite nicely
Posted by: REDACTED at November 18, 2019 03:57 PM (rpxSz)
106
That's a generic statement about their charitable giving that doesn't address the issue at hand, i.e. not continuing to support Salvation Army or Fellowship of Christian Athletes.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 18, 2019 03:54 PM (NWiLs)
Yes, yes, it is, but it is also the actual original source material from which everyone is spinning their centrifuges.
Fenelon wanted the CFA statement. There it is.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 18, 2019 03:54 PM (NWiLs)
Yes, yes, it is, but it is also the actual original source material from which everyone is spinning their centrifuges.
Fenelon wanted the CFA statement. There it is.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 18, 2019 03:57 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 03:58 PM (0/eGj)
108
as mentioned re raimondo, he has a mind of his own. could stand a few more omega-3 nutrients and some books.
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 18, 2019 03:58 PM (I9kTT)
109
That statement and the 2020 giving doesn't compute with the hair on fire mode - there are plenty of Christian orgs on there.
Posted by: jhawk90 at November 18, 2019 03:58 PM (Xvo1a)
110
I saw a report that protestors actually torched the central bank in Tehran. Wow.
I saw video of that, and a report that they'd torched a whole bunch of banks and were trying to blow up the refinery (Iran only has one).
I saw video of that, and a report that they'd torched a whole bunch of banks and were trying to blow up the refinery (Iran only has one).
Posted by: Ian S. at November 18, 2019 03:58 PM (ZGrMX)
111
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at November 18, 2019 03:57 PM (6eEQ+)
Damn Bush made Reagan sign the Amnesty bill. Damn him !!
Damn Bush made Reagan sign the Amnesty bill. Damn him !!
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 18, 2019 03:59 PM (Q5ALd)
112
didn't some of the Anti-Iraq war say Ahmed Chalabi was working for Iran
*******
Ahmed Chalabi
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In January 2012, a French intelligence official stated that he believed Chalabi to be "acting on behalf of Iran".[8]
*******
Ahmed Chalabi
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In January 2012, a French intelligence official stated that he believed Chalabi to be "acting on behalf of Iran".[8]
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 18, 2019 03:59 PM (BqBId)
113
and yes, i supported the Iraq Attaq and i deserve to eat a big plate of shit. I was an idiot. I trusted the Kristols and the Frums and the Bushes.
I won't be supporting more meddling that far from home.
as for when I started going this seriously anti war: the Syrian civil war and that RETARDED attack on Libya.
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 18, 2019 03:56 PM (I9kTT)
Come, sit by me.
I won't be supporting more meddling that far from home.
as for when I started going this seriously anti war: the Syrian civil war and that RETARDED attack on Libya.
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 18, 2019 03:56 PM (I9kTT)
Come, sit by me.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 18, 2019 03:59 PM (mf5HN)
114
>>The media is annoyingly quiet about the progress of protests in Iran. I think Iran's government could fall in a second Trump term.
This is where twitter actually comes in useful. There have been a few accounts tweeting about the protests that have been going on for well over a year now.
This is where twitter actually comes in useful. There have been a few accounts tweeting about the protests that have been going on for well over a year now.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 18, 2019 03:59 PM (ZLI7S)
115
A trillion dollars spent and thousands of lives lost in service of a slogan "Islam means peace" that the rich wanted to force us to believe
That's what we got
That's what we got
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at November 18, 2019 03:59 PM (k81AA)
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That's a generic statement about their charitable
giving that doesn't address the issue at hand, i.e. not continuing to
support Salvation Army or Fellowship of Christian Athletes.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 18, 2019 03:54 PM (NWiLs)
It states specifically: "Moving forward, with a continued eye on nourishing the potential in
every child, we are narrowing our corporate giving to three critical
needs facing children in our communities: education, homelessness and
hunger. The Chick-fil-A Foundation will deepen our giving to a smaller number of organizations working exclusively in these areas."
Take from that what you will.
giving that doesn't address the issue at hand, i.e. not continuing to
support Salvation Army or Fellowship of Christian Athletes.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 18, 2019 03:54 PM (NWiLs)
It states specifically: "Moving forward, with a continued eye on nourishing the potential in
every child, we are narrowing our corporate giving to three critical
needs facing children in our communities: education, homelessness and
hunger. The Chick-fil-A Foundation will deepen our giving to a smaller number of organizations working exclusively in these areas."
Take from that what you will.
Posted by: MWR, The Public Intellectual (aka Beth) at November 18, 2019 03:59 PM (rP4OC)
117
The Left didn't sell me on Bush hatred back in the day because the reasons they gave were bogus. They lied because they couldn't admit that about 90% of what he was doing (no action on illegals, expanding Federal power etc.) was fine with them. I hate the gimpy lying bastard now. The existence of the Deep State and the fact that his family is steeped in it, these are obvious things now.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 18, 2019 03:55 PM (Xs85z)
You know, the Left's BDS what was probably kept lots of us on board with the Bushyrovies as long as we did. Sure we were disappointed with Karl Rove's "Victory Through Hispandering" delusions, but what were we going to do? Vote for Commiecrats?
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 18, 2019 03:55 PM (Xs85z)
You know, the Left's BDS what was probably kept lots of us on board with the Bushyrovies as long as we did. Sure we were disappointed with Karl Rove's "Victory Through Hispandering" delusions, but what were we going to do? Vote for Commiecrats?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 03:59 PM (ujg0T)
118
-
--
But when I really, truly, and utterly knew just how
screwed in the non-happy fun way I had been by the GOP was a few months
post January 20, 2017 when the GOP had everything that the GOP said it
needed to pass the laws the GOP said they would pass if only they had
the House, no, the House and Senate, no, we mean the House, Senate, and
Presidency, yes, that and NOTHING was being done.
That was the last bandage from my eyes.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 18, 2019 03:54
------------------------------
Yep. The excuses were all gone, and nothing got done.
The masks fell away as St. Don the Revelator emerged on the scene.
--
But when I really, truly, and utterly knew just how
screwed in the non-happy fun way I had been by the GOP was a few months
post January 20, 2017 when the GOP had everything that the GOP said it
needed to pass the laws the GOP said they would pass if only they had
the House, no, the House and Senate, no, we mean the House, Senate, and
Presidency, yes, that and NOTHING was being done.
That was the last bandage from my eyes.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 18, 2019 03:54
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Yep. The excuses were all gone, and nothing got done.
The masks fell away as St. Don the Revelator emerged on the scene.
Posted by: irright at November 18, 2019 03:59 PM (pMGkg)
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That was the last bandage from my eyes.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 18, 2019 03:54 PM (mf5HN)
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Word.
Reminds me of a pollical cartoon from around that time.
It had an elephant sitting at a Vegas slot machine, piles of coins amassed around his feet and more pouring out of the winnings chute.
The speech bubble coming from said elephant, "You know, I think I'm getting tired of winning."
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 18, 2019 03:54 PM (mf5HN)
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Word.
Reminds me of a pollical cartoon from around that time.
It had an elephant sitting at a Vegas slot machine, piles of coins amassed around his feet and more pouring out of the winnings chute.
The speech bubble coming from said elephant, "You know, I think I'm getting tired of winning."
Posted by: reason at November 18, 2019 03:59 PM (q/kmn)
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By 2009 the Bush strategy seemed to be working. Iraq was stabilized and there were massive protests in Iran that could have toppled the government with just a little help from the US. Instead, Obama threw it all away in order to empower the Mullahs.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at November 18, 2019 03:59 PM (wCmLp)
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In 20/20 hindsight, it SHOULD have been when Bush tripped over his own dick at every opportunity to tell us that Islam was "A Religion of Peace" and that we should--in effect--"go shopping, otherwise the terrorists win."
Alas, it wasn't until Trump was in office and W --after being mute for 8 years--suddenly found his voice to trash Trump.
Alas, it wasn't until Trump was in office and W --after being mute for 8 years--suddenly found his voice to trash Trump.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 18, 2019 03:59 PM (CqE5x)
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Here's a question for the Horde: At what point in time did you realize that you had been had by the GOPee Bushyrovie types?
Harriet Miers was the starting point for me.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 18, 2019 03:55 PM (1XNk
would you really like to know?
cause I can tell ya
Harriet Miers was the starting point for me.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 18, 2019 03:55 PM (1XNk
would you really like to know?
cause I can tell ya
Posted by: REDACTED at November 18, 2019 03:59 PM (rpxSz)
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Quick! Some ask the NeverTrump brigade (and Ellen) about the great George W. Bush and how Trump just doesn't quite measure up!
Mike
Mike
Posted by: MBunge at November 18, 2019 03:59 PM (7Nkan)
Posted by: Charlie Gibson at November 18, 2019 03:59 PM (0/eGj)
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"In hindsight, Iraq war a huge mistake. A contained Saddam was the best of very bad options. I was dead wrong on that one." - Benji Carver
Maybe. Prior to 2001, we thought Afghanistan was "contained" too. It's easy to look back at Saddam through years of fuzzy, but prior to the first Gulf War, he had a massive WMD program on all fronts, and it's hard to believe that somehow if we'd just left him alone he would just have faded away and never resurrected them, especially with Iran right there building reactors.
Maybe. Prior to 2001, we thought Afghanistan was "contained" too. It's easy to look back at Saddam through years of fuzzy, but prior to the first Gulf War, he had a massive WMD program on all fronts, and it's hard to believe that somehow if we'd just left him alone he would just have faded away and never resurrected them, especially with Iran right there building reactors.
Posted by: MW at November 18, 2019 03:59 PM (SWr/7)
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Re: when did you really know? Yesterday when I reflected on how the feckless house has sought to baselessly destroy the president. Had Ryan et al not retired and really fought to maintain the majority, we'd be in high cotton. But they capitulated !more likely conspired) and turned the house over to the Dems, just to put us in our place.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 18, 2019 04:00 PM (87EdW)
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110 I saw a report that protestors actually torched the central bank in Tehran. Wow.
I saw video of that, and a report that they'd torched a whole bunch of banks and were trying to blow up the refinery (Iran only has one).
Posted by: Ian S. at November 18, 2019 03:58 PM (ZGrMX)
You are either incredibly stupid or actually prepared with the manpower and materiel to pull it off.
I saw video of that, and a report that they'd torched a whole bunch of banks and were trying to blow up the refinery (Iran only has one).
Posted by: Ian S. at November 18, 2019 03:58 PM (ZGrMX)
You are either incredibly stupid or actually prepared with the manpower and materiel to pull it off.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2019 04:00 PM (zBaqJ)
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:00 PM (PbpT7)
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96 and yes, i supported the Iraq Attaq and i deserve to eat a big plate of shit. I was an idiot. I trusted the Kristols and the Frums and the Bushes.
I won't be supporting more meddling that far from home.
as for when I started going this seriously anti war: the Syrian civil war and that RETARDED attack on Libya.
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 18, 2019 03:56 PM (I9kTT)
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In many ways, this is my story too.
I won't be supporting more meddling that far from home.
as for when I started going this seriously anti war: the Syrian civil war and that RETARDED attack on Libya.
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 18, 2019 03:56 PM (I9kTT)
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In many ways, this is my story too.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 18, 2019 04:00 PM (qC1Sy)
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It was a stupid war, and I will admit I was a cheerleader for it.
Of course, I still thought intelligence agencies were telling the truth when they said Iraq wanted to drop a WMD on the USA.
The liberals weren't right though either, that this was about Bush getting the oil, etc.
Conservatives like Pat Buchanan and Robert Novak were right, but somehow were smeared as being antisemitic.
Of course, I still thought intelligence agencies were telling the truth when they said Iraq wanted to drop a WMD on the USA.
The liberals weren't right though either, that this was about Bush getting the oil, etc.
Conservatives like Pat Buchanan and Robert Novak were right, but somehow were smeared as being antisemitic.
Posted by: Blago at November 18, 2019 04:00 PM (sjTfF)
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Geez, can you imagine if the Iranian misunderstanding gets out of control and some documents get out, how much f ing fun that would be?!
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at November 18, 2019 04:00 PM (LOq4H)
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so where did the pallets of cash come from anyway?
No wonder all these assholes in DC are rich. Got billions laying around in shrink-wrap.
No wonder all these assholes in DC are rich. Got billions laying around in shrink-wrap.
Posted by: wth at November 18, 2019 04:00 PM (v0R5T)
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Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 18, 2019 03:56 PM (I9kTT)
In retrospect I was an idiot too.
But going from a robust foreign policy that includes intervention, to an isolationist stance is shortsighted.
In retrospect I was an idiot too.
But going from a robust foreign policy that includes intervention, to an isolationist stance is shortsighted.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 18, 2019 04:00 PM (BVD7m)
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Trump shocked a lot of people on our side when he went so hard after the Bush Family. Lots of angry people that night.
Tactically he needed to do it, but even so, the guy is just incredibly lucky that the Bushes were steeped in the Uniparty and aligned so hard against The People. He's just a very lucky guy.
Tactically he needed to do it, but even so, the guy is just incredibly lucky that the Bushes were steeped in the Uniparty and aligned so hard against The People. He's just a very lucky guy.
Posted by: ... at November 18, 2019 04:00 PM (SmoWR)
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96 and yes, i supported the Iraq Attaq and i deserve to eat a big plate of shit. I was an idiot. I trusted the Kristols and the Frums and the Bushes.
I won't be supporting more meddling that far from home.
as for when I started going this seriously anti war: the Syrian civil war and that RETARDED attack on Libya.
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 18, 2019 03:56 PM (I9kTT)
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I had the exact same views and turning points.
Iraq looks stupid in retrospect, but I can see why it seemed like a good idea at the time. The calls for war in Libya and Syria, however, showed that the neocons hadn't learned any lessons and really exposed them for what they are.
If you still think today that bringing democracy to the Middle East is a goo idea, then you are no different than the people who claim that real socialism hasn't been tried yet.
I won't be supporting more meddling that far from home.
as for when I started going this seriously anti war: the Syrian civil war and that RETARDED attack on Libya.
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at November 18, 2019 03:56 PM (I9kTT)
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I had the exact same views and turning points.
Iraq looks stupid in retrospect, but I can see why it seemed like a good idea at the time. The calls for war in Libya and Syria, however, showed that the neocons hadn't learned any lessons and really exposed them for what they are.
If you still think today that bringing democracy to the Middle East is a goo idea, then you are no different than the people who claim that real socialism hasn't been tried yet.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at November 18, 2019 04:00 PM (RIvx9)
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110 I saw a report that protestors actually torched the central bank in Tehran. Wow.
I saw video of that, and a report that they'd torched a whole bunch of banks and were trying to blow up the refinery (Iran only has one).
Posted by: Ian S. at November 18, 2019 03:58 PM (ZGrMX)
That's the royal YOU, not you personally.
I saw video of that, and a report that they'd torched a whole bunch of banks and were trying to blow up the refinery (Iran only has one).
Posted by: Ian S. at November 18, 2019 03:58 PM (ZGrMX)
That's the royal YOU, not you personally.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2019 04:00 PM (zBaqJ)
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No, Benji [and ace], you're dead wrong now. "Containing" Iraq was reasonably judged riskier/less likely to work than eliminating the regime. In fact it was a ridiculously implausible "strategy" - it was collapsing even as 9/11 changed the calculations.
But now all the usual myths and framework distortions are unleashed, and countering them will be pointless.
If commie govts. in Greece, Italy, and France had emerged, and the effort to create NATO and West Germany had not happened, we might have, by the 195Os, well looked on WWII in Europe as not having been worth it.
Mistakes under Bush were mostly fixable, but instead the whole s**t-house went up in flames - optionally - under the dumb children's administration that followed.
In any case, we now have one dangerous WMD state to content with there, which we are, fairly well, instead of two [and no, they wouldn't have focused mostly on each other, any more than they did prior to 2OO3, while they both pursued inimical objectives to us with plenty of energy left over for each other].
But now all the usual myths and framework distortions are unleashed, and countering them will be pointless.
If commie govts. in Greece, Italy, and France had emerged, and the effort to create NATO and West Germany had not happened, we might have, by the 195Os, well looked on WWII in Europe as not having been worth it.
Mistakes under Bush were mostly fixable, but instead the whole s**t-house went up in flames - optionally - under the dumb children's administration that followed.
In any case, we now have one dangerous WMD state to content with there, which we are, fairly well, instead of two [and no, they wouldn't have focused mostly on each other, any more than they did prior to 2OO3, while they both pursued inimical objectives to us with plenty of energy left over for each other].
Posted by: rhomboid at November 18, 2019 04:00 PM (QDnY+)
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n hindsight, Iraq war a huge mistake. A contained Saddam was the best of very bad options. I was dead wrong on that one.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 03:47 PM (OD2ni)
I disagree strongly also. It was the right thing to do IMO hindsight and all.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 03:47 PM (OD2ni)
I disagree strongly also. It was the right thing to do IMO hindsight and all.
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 18, 2019 04:01 PM (Q5ALd)
139
I thought I saw the Madonna
When you walked in the room
Well your eyes were like diamonds
And they cut right through, oh they cut right through
When you walked in the room
Well your eyes were like diamonds
And they cut right through, oh they cut right through
Posted by: Bryan Adams is really addicted to "cutting" imagery at November 18, 2019 04:01 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: blaster at November 18, 2019 04:01 PM (9VeU0)
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130 It was a stupid war, and I will admit I was a cheerleader for it.
Of course, I still thought intelligence agencies were telling the truth when they said Iraq wanted to drop a WMD on the USA.
The liberals weren't right though either, that this was about Bush getting the oil, etc.
Conservatives like Pat Buchanan and Robert Novak were right, but somehow were smeared as being antisemitic.
Posted by: Blago at November 18, 2019 04:00 PM (sjTfF)
Pat Buchanan is an anti-Semite.
Of course, I still thought intelligence agencies were telling the truth when they said Iraq wanted to drop a WMD on the USA.
The liberals weren't right though either, that this was about Bush getting the oil, etc.
Conservatives like Pat Buchanan and Robert Novak were right, but somehow were smeared as being antisemitic.
Posted by: Blago at November 18, 2019 04:00 PM (sjTfF)
Pat Buchanan is an anti-Semite.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2019 04:01 PM (zBaqJ)
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Here's an idea, just so crazy it might work.
How about we pick one or these places, and install a Pro-Western dictator ? A real nut buster.
How about we pick one or these places, and install a Pro-Western dictator ? A real nut buster.
Posted by: Lurking Libertarian at November 18, 2019 04:01 PM (W+w2W)
143
By design, from the Obama administration. They wanted Iran to be the power in the middle east.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:01 PM (KZzsI)
144
Problem with a guy like Bryan Adams is you take him for granted.
But, I mean - how are you to know?
But, I mean - how are you to know?
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:01 PM (0/eGj)
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I saw a report that protestors actually torched the central bank in Tehran. Wow.
I saw video of that, and a report that they'd torched a whole bunch of banks and were trying to blow up the refinery (Iran only has one).
Posted by: Ian S. at November 18, 2019 03:58 PM (ZGrMX)
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This fails to meet our standards of journalistic integrity.
I saw video of that, and a report that they'd torched a whole bunch of banks and were trying to blow up the refinery (Iran only has one).
Posted by: Ian S. at November 18, 2019 03:58 PM (ZGrMX)
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This fails to meet our standards of journalistic integrity.
Posted by: ABC News at November 18, 2019 04:02 PM (q/kmn)
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Yeah Iran war was the right move, just handled badly
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:02 PM (KZzsI)
147
And you may not know this, but we were killing 150 to 200 Iranian-backed terrorists nearly every night in Iraq.
Until Obama heard about it and shut it down
You know, so they could live and form ISIS.
Until Obama heard about it and shut it down
You know, so they could live and form ISIS.
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at November 18, 2019 04:02 PM (k81AA)
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91 41 Here's a question for the Horde: At what point in time did you realize that you had been had by the GOPee Bushyrovie types?
Harriet Miers was the starting point for me.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 18, 2019 03:55 PM (1XNk
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By the time 2004 rolled around, it was becoming obvious that Bush Inc was a failure. But at that point I still respected VP Cheney, and the thought of John Francois Kerry as president seemed like giving in to the '60's radicals. Kerry had been a traitor from the get-go and it was a binary choice, Bush or Kerry.
Harriet Miers was the starting point for me.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 18, 2019 03:55 PM (1XNk
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By the time 2004 rolled around, it was becoming obvious that Bush Inc was a failure. But at that point I still respected VP Cheney, and the thought of John Francois Kerry as president seemed like giving in to the '60's radicals. Kerry had been a traitor from the get-go and it was a binary choice, Bush or Kerry.
Posted by: Boots at November 18, 2019 04:02 PM (oGBso)
Posted by: FrodoB, AKA Scarlet Fire at November 18, 2019 04:03 PM (754s8)
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14 Iran seems to be the winner, and all it cost them was some IEDs and bribe-money.
I wonder where Iran got that money from? I mean, it's not like anyone just dropped a pallet of cash in their terrorist state, amirite?
Posted by: Flyguy at November 18, 2019 03:45 PM (3sOO0)
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'The Nuclear Deal' is just the money we know about. I wonder what else they got from Obama. I just had a thought about that $6 billion that went missing when Hillary ran the State Dept.
One advantage to making Iran, China, Saudi Arabia [sic.] and other enemies poorer, is that they have less money to bribe our leadership to screw us. Good reason to cut foreign aid, too.
I wonder where Iran got that money from? I mean, it's not like anyone just dropped a pallet of cash in their terrorist state, amirite?
Posted by: Flyguy at November 18, 2019 03:45 PM (3sOO0)
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'The Nuclear Deal' is just the money we know about. I wonder what else they got from Obama. I just had a thought about that $6 billion that went missing when Hillary ran the State Dept.
One advantage to making Iran, China, Saudi Arabia [sic.] and other enemies poorer, is that they have less money to bribe our leadership to screw us. Good reason to cut foreign aid, too.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 18, 2019 04:03 PM (Xs85z)
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"Containing" Iraq was reasonably judged riskier/less likely to work than eliminating the regime. In fact it was a ridiculously implausible "strategy" - it was collapsing even as 9/11 changed the calculations.
By 2000, the Europeans were pushing heavily to end the Iraq sanctions. If Bush had lost in 2004, any Dem administration likely would have. Certainly by 2008. You'd end up with Saddam still in power and looking to rearm.
By 2000, the Europeans were pushing heavily to end the Iraq sanctions. If Bush had lost in 2004, any Dem administration likely would have. Certainly by 2008. You'd end up with Saddam still in power and looking to rearm.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at November 18, 2019 04:03 PM (wCmLp)
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111 Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at November 18, 2019 03:57 PM (6eEQ+)
Damn Bush made Reagan sign the Amnesty bill. Damn him !!
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 18, 2019 03:59 PM (Q5ALd)
Oh come on, Easy Andy, there is a "Yuge" difference between deliberately being had, as opposed to missing some things because there were much bigger issues at the time, like a Soviet Empire for instance. Uncle Ron's dropping the ball here was a mistake, but being had it was not.
Damn Bush made Reagan sign the Amnesty bill. Damn him !!
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 18, 2019 03:59 PM (Q5ALd)
Oh come on, Easy Andy, there is a "Yuge" difference between deliberately being had, as opposed to missing some things because there were much bigger issues at the time, like a Soviet Empire for instance. Uncle Ron's dropping the ball here was a mistake, but being had it was not.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 04:04 PM (ujg0T)
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>>Well your eyes were like diamonds
And they cut right through, oh they cut right through
I know Loverboy has their fans around here...
but they never had what Bryan Adams had.
And they cut right through, oh they cut right through
I know Loverboy has their fans around here...
but they never had what Bryan Adams had.
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:04 PM (0/eGj)
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I supported going into Iraq.
I still do.
I just wanted to see us smash their shit, take whatever was valuable, and install a brutal third-world client state in our wake.
Not piss around white knighting like a bunch of assholes.
I still do.
I just wanted to see us smash their shit, take whatever was valuable, and install a brutal third-world client state in our wake.
Not piss around white knighting like a bunch of assholes.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 18, 2019 04:04 PM (AURKQ)
155
Problem with a guy like Bryan Adams is you take him for granted.
From what I understand, Canada has apologized for Bryan Adams
From what I understand, Canada has apologized for Bryan Adams
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:04 PM (KZzsI)
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41 Here's a question for the Horde: At what point in time did you realize that you had been had by the GOPee Bushyrovie types?
I had serious doubts with the "Islam is peace" speech after 9/11, but talked myself into it being a conscious strategic lie to avoid full-on global conflagration, but it turns out he must have meant it. Gave up the dream with the GM bailout stuff. So, it took me a while.
I had serious doubts with the "Islam is peace" speech after 9/11, but talked myself into it being a conscious strategic lie to avoid full-on global conflagration, but it turns out he must have meant it. Gave up the dream with the GM bailout stuff. So, it took me a while.
Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at November 18, 2019 04:04 PM (hdzef)
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143 By design, from the Obama administration. They wanted Iran to be the power in the middle east.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:01 PM (KZzsI)
Yeah Dems have been trying to achieve that for years. Turns out empires are expensive to maintain.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:01 PM (KZzsI)
Yeah Dems have been trying to achieve that for years. Turns out empires are expensive to maintain.
Posted by: Someguy at November 18, 2019 04:05 PM (O+iVW)
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Here's a question for the Horde: At what point in time did you realize that you had been had by the GOPee Bushyrovie types?
The big ones -- failure to define victory and then PURSUE victory in the middle east -- are clear to me in hindsight. But the specific instance where I lost all faith in Dubya's administration was the case of those two border patrol officers who were imprisoned for shooting a fleeing drug runner illegal in the ass. I remember they were put in the general population, too. That made me so utterly, irrevocably furious. That's when the GOPe lost me utterly.
Sure, I still cast protest ballots against the villainous Democrats, but the GOPe hasn't gotten a cent of my money since then. When I get their pre-paid envelopes begging for donations, I stuff them full of grocery store circulars and outdated fast food coupons and send them back, just to take a little more of their money away.
The big ones -- failure to define victory and then PURSUE victory in the middle east -- are clear to me in hindsight. But the specific instance where I lost all faith in Dubya's administration was the case of those two border patrol officers who were imprisoned for shooting a fleeing drug runner illegal in the ass. I remember they were put in the general population, too. That made me so utterly, irrevocably furious. That's when the GOPe lost me utterly.
Sure, I still cast protest ballots against the villainous Democrats, but the GOPe hasn't gotten a cent of my money since then. When I get their pre-paid envelopes begging for donations, I stuff them full of grocery store circulars and outdated fast food coupons and send them back, just to take a little more of their money away.
Posted by: MWR, The Public Intellectual (aka Beth) at November 18, 2019 04:05 PM (rP4OC)
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Harriet Miers was the starting point for me.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 18, 2019 03:55 PM (1XNk
What was wrong with Harriet Miers?
Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 18, 2019 03:55 PM (1XNk
What was wrong with Harriet Miers?
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 18, 2019 04:05 PM (Q5ALd)
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155 Problem with a guy like Bryan Adams is you take him for granted.
From what I understand, Canada has apologized for Bryan Adams
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:04 PM (KZzsI)
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I still blame Canada, though.
From what I understand, Canada has apologized for Bryan Adams
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:04 PM (KZzsI)
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I still blame Canada, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 18, 2019 04:05 PM (q80AH)
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148
91 41 Here's a question for the Horde: At what point in time did you
realize that you had been had by the GOPee Bushyrovie types?
Harriet Miers was the starting point for me.
Posted by: Guy Smiley
I will NEVER vote "D", vote "R" and walk to ones demise. Or the alternative and sprint toward it.
91 41 Here's a question for the Horde: At what point in time did you
realize that you had been had by the GOPee Bushyrovie types?
Harriet Miers was the starting point for me.
Posted by: Guy Smiley
I will NEVER vote "D", vote "R" and walk to ones demise. Or the alternative and sprint toward it.
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at November 18, 2019 04:05 PM (LOq4H)
162
Here's a question for the Horde: At what point in time did you realize that you had been had by the GOPee Bushyrovie types?
For me, it was the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" fraud, when we were supposed to defend Iraq's borders but not our own.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 03:49 PM (ujg0T)
I am a bit slower. TARP.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2019 03:52 PM (1CjJc)
I pretty much gave up on that tongue tied dolt when he wouldn't get off his dead ass and address the country regularly on progress, or lack thereof, in the war. And that simple turd Rove didn't give him any good advice on that.
For me, it was the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" fraud, when we were supposed to defend Iraq's borders but not our own.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 03:49 PM (ujg0T)
I am a bit slower. TARP.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 18, 2019 03:52 PM (1CjJc)
I pretty much gave up on that tongue tied dolt when he wouldn't get off his dead ass and address the country regularly on progress, or lack thereof, in the war. And that simple turd Rove didn't give him any good advice on that.
Posted by: Captain Hate at November 18, 2019 04:05 PM (y7DUB)
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Bush's failure to anticipate Iran joining the fight in Iraq,
to finish the indirect knockover the Mullahs efforts before the Obamaclypse
fify and the record.
to finish the indirect knockover the Mullahs efforts before the Obamaclypse
fify and the record.
Posted by: DaveA at November 18, 2019 04:05 PM (FhXTo)
164
"In hindsight, Iraq war a huge mistake. A contained Saddam was the best of very bad options. I was dead wrong on that one." - Benji Carver
Maybe. Prior to 2001, we thought Afghanistan was "contained" too. It's easy to look back at Saddam through years of fuzzy, but prior to the first Gulf War, he had a massive WMD program on all fronts, and it's hard to believe that somehow if we'd just left him alone he would just have faded away and never resurrected them, especially with Iran right there building reactors.
Posted by: MW
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There's a much easier solution, stop letting Muslims into the United States. Just about every single 9/11 hijacker was an illegal alien. Way easier to stop it right there.
Of course the smart set thinks waging trillion dollar wars around the globe is the way to fix this.
Maybe. Prior to 2001, we thought Afghanistan was "contained" too. It's easy to look back at Saddam through years of fuzzy, but prior to the first Gulf War, he had a massive WMD program on all fronts, and it's hard to believe that somehow if we'd just left him alone he would just have faded away and never resurrected them, especially with Iran right there building reactors.
Posted by: MW
______________
There's a much easier solution, stop letting Muslims into the United States. Just about every single 9/11 hijacker was an illegal alien. Way easier to stop it right there.
Of course the smart set thinks waging trillion dollar wars around the globe is the way to fix this.
Posted by: Blago at November 18, 2019 04:05 PM (sjTfF)
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Mr "Born Again" George W. had a hand in decimating 2,000 year-old Christian communities in the Mid East.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 18, 2019 04:06 PM (CqE5x)
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willowed:
437 >>>Apparently in Some Like It Hot, Marilyn could not remember her line when she was opening drawers in one scene so they taped a note with the line in the drawer.
She then opened the wrong drawer.
...
I just heard that Marlon Brando was either so drunk or so not-bothering in Superman that all of his lines were written on pieces of paper in his eyeline.
Okay, that's no big deal. But here's the kicker: He had one piece of paper taped to the face of the actress playing his wife, Lara or whatever. So that he could read his lines to her, right off of her face.
Posted by: ace
437 >>>Apparently in Some Like It Hot, Marilyn could not remember her line when she was opening drawers in one scene so they taped a note with the line in the drawer.
She then opened the wrong drawer.
...
I just heard that Marlon Brando was either so drunk or so not-bothering in Superman that all of his lines were written on pieces of paper in his eyeline.
Okay, that's no big deal. But here's the kicker: He had one piece of paper taped to the face of the actress playing his wife, Lara or whatever. So that he could read his lines to her, right off of her face.
Posted by: ace
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:06 PM (PbpT7)
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154 I supported going into Iraq.
I still do.
I just wanted to see us smash their shit, take whatever was valuable, and install a brutal third-world client state in our wake.
Not piss around white knighting like a bunch of assholes.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 18, 2019 04:04 PM (AURKQ)
I also sit in the camp of could've been done better. But I also think we tend to ignore the upside(such as Gaddafi ending his program). Iraq is gone as a threat, if Iran goes down too we can basically stop caring about the Middle East.
I still do.
I just wanted to see us smash their shit, take whatever was valuable, and install a brutal third-world client state in our wake.
Not piss around white knighting like a bunch of assholes.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 18, 2019 04:04 PM (AURKQ)
I also sit in the camp of could've been done better. But I also think we tend to ignore the upside(such as Gaddafi ending his program). Iraq is gone as a threat, if Iran goes down too we can basically stop caring about the Middle East.
Posted by: Someguy at November 18, 2019 04:07 PM (O+iVW)
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You guys forget the Iraqi thingy was supposed to include Syria. The Turks denied access to our troops so the 4th ID had to sail around the middle east to join the fray.
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 18, 2019 04:07 PM (yRAFu)
Posted by: REDACTED at November 18, 2019 04:07 PM (rpxSz)
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109
That statement and the 2020 giving doesn't compute with the hair on fire mode - there are plenty of Christian orgs on there.
Posted by: jhawk90 at November 18, 2019 03:58 PM (Xvo1a)
My biggest problem with them is they're supporting an Atlanta branch of the Girl Scouts. I don't give a shit about "gurrrrl powurrr," but I DO give a shit that Girl Scouts is basically Feminazis 'R' Us for modern girls. If they don't already have a "Received An Abortion" or "Protested for Abortion" merit badge yet, they will soon.
That statement and the 2020 giving doesn't compute with the hair on fire mode - there are plenty of Christian orgs on there.
Posted by: jhawk90 at November 18, 2019 03:58 PM (Xvo1a)
My biggest problem with them is they're supporting an Atlanta branch of the Girl Scouts. I don't give a shit about "gurrrrl powurrr," but I DO give a shit that Girl Scouts is basically Feminazis 'R' Us for modern girls. If they don't already have a "Received An Abortion" or "Protested for Abortion" merit badge yet, they will soon.
Posted by: MWR, The Public Intellectual (aka Beth) at November 18, 2019 04:07 PM (rP4OC)
171
This never would have happened if trump hadn't pulled us out of the Paris accords! Iran is only doing this because of the effects of climate change!
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 18, 2019 04:07 PM (dNzKv)
172
Read his lines off her face, and did some lines off her ass. Dignity!
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 18, 2019 04:07 PM (87EdW)
173
But, YELLOW CAKE !!!!
Posted by: Galil at November 18, 2019 04:08 PM (Pzzpr)
174
If Harriet had been confirmed
political landscape would look vastly different
Posted by: REDACTED
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In what way? Didn't we get Alito instead?
political landscape would look vastly different
Posted by: REDACTED
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In what way? Didn't we get Alito instead?
Posted by: Blago at November 18, 2019 04:08 PM (sjTfF)
175
Isn't there a 3rd Bryan Adams song?
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:08 PM (0/eGj)
Posted by: REDACTED at November 18, 2019 04:08 PM (rpxSz)
177
There's a much easier solution, stop letting Muslims into the United States. Just about every single 9/11 hijacker was an illegal alien. Way easier to stop it right there.
Of course the smart set thinks waging trillion dollar wars around the globe is the way to fix this.
Posted by: Blago at November 18, 2019 04:05 PM (sjTfF)
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This. "Fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here" doesn't make sense when you're inviting many of them here.
Of course the smart set thinks waging trillion dollar wars around the globe is the way to fix this.
Posted by: Blago at November 18, 2019 04:05 PM (sjTfF)
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This. "Fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here" doesn't make sense when you're inviting many of them here.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at November 18, 2019 04:08 PM (RIvx9)
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166 I just heard that Marlon Brando was either so drunk or so not-bothering in Superman that all of his lines were written on pieces of paper in his eyeline.
Okay, that's no big deal. But here's the kicker: He had one piece of paper taped to the face of the actress playing his wife, Lara or whatever. So that he could read his lines to her, right off of her face.
Posted by: ace
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:06 PM (PbpT7)
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Food. Not even once.
Okay, that's no big deal. But here's the kicker: He had one piece of paper taped to the face of the actress playing his wife, Lara or whatever. So that he could read his lines to her, right off of her face.
Posted by: ace
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:06 PM (PbpT7)
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Food. Not even once.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 18, 2019 04:08 PM (q80AH)
179
I am found of yellow cake slathered in chocolate icing.
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 18, 2019 04:08 PM (yRAFu)
180
Here's an idea, just so crazy it might work.
How about we pick one or these places, and install a Pro-Western dictator ? A real nut buster.
Posted by: Lurking Libertarian at November 18, 2019 04:01 PM (W+w2W)
That would be awesome!
Somebody like Macho Man Randy Savage, OOOoooh YEEAH! Busting folding chairs over... Oh, Pro-Western.
Never mind.
How about we pick one or these places, and install a Pro-Western dictator ? A real nut buster.
Posted by: Lurking Libertarian at November 18, 2019 04:01 PM (W+w2W)
That would be awesome!
Somebody like Macho Man Randy Savage, OOOoooh YEEAH! Busting folding chairs over... Oh, Pro-Western.
Never mind.
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 18, 2019 04:08 PM (Z1ykJ)
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I just heard that Marlon Brando was either so drunk or so not-bothering in Superman that all of his lines were written on pieces of paper in his eyeline.
Okay, that's no big deal. But here's the kicker: He had one piece of paper taped to the face of the actress playing his wife, Lara or whatever. So that he could read his lines to her, right off of her face.
Posted by: ace
Posted by: ace
Did she at least get a writing credit ?
Okay, that's no big deal. But here's the kicker: He had one piece of paper taped to the face of the actress playing his wife, Lara or whatever. So that he could read his lines to her, right off of her face.
Posted by: ace
Posted by: ace
Did she at least get a writing credit ?
Posted by: JT at November 18, 2019 04:08 PM (arJlL)
182
In 2004 we had to leave the Mahdi alone. He was a stooge of Iran. Now look at them.
Posted by: CSMBigBird at November 18, 2019 04:08 PM (jsWA8)
183
Fine with me if Iranian gas prices have in fact spiked because of Trump's sanctions.
Fine with me if Iranian gas prices have in fact spiked because of Trump's sanctions.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's phone at November 18, 2019 04:08 PM (R6NJY)
184
We miscalculated at best in Iraq. Iran will eventually will take some real force to bring to heel. I don't ever want to nation build there but someone will have to nation destroy one day.
Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at November 18, 2019 04:09 PM (0OmEj)
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Sorry, there is no getting around the reality that the Iraq War was a rather large, rather expensive mistake.
It cost trillions of dollars to prosecute, killed and wounded 10's of thousands of military personnel without giving us one iota of benefit from prosecuting the war and created the conditions that would allow an unknown Illinois state senator, to become senator then President, and now put us on the cusp of Democrat socialist takeover of the country.
In retrospect, we would have been better off if Al Gore would have won and W was relegated to managing a mid-tier baseball team in Texas.
It cost trillions of dollars to prosecute, killed and wounded 10's of thousands of military personnel without giving us one iota of benefit from prosecuting the war and created the conditions that would allow an unknown Illinois state senator, to become senator then President, and now put us on the cusp of Democrat socialist takeover of the country.
In retrospect, we would have been better off if Al Gore would have won and W was relegated to managing a mid-tier baseball team in Texas.
Posted by: Huxley's Eyeglass Emporium at November 18, 2019 04:09 PM (43qa7)
186
If you still think today that bringing democracy to
the Middle East is a goo idea, then you are no different than the people
who claim that real socialism hasn't been tried yet.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at November 18, 2019 04:00 PM (RIvx9)
I still think democracy would be good for the Middle East. The difference is I don't think WE should be "bringing" it to them. They've got to figure that shit out for themselves and get it done for it to ever have a lasting impact. Heaven knows the ME has enough of a blood-soaked history fighting wars amongst themselves; they don't need the West's help killing each other off in the name of a new political ideology.
the Middle East is a goo idea, then you are no different than the people
who claim that real socialism hasn't been tried yet.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at November 18, 2019 04:00 PM (RIvx9)
I still think democracy would be good for the Middle East. The difference is I don't think WE should be "bringing" it to them. They've got to figure that shit out for themselves and get it done for it to ever have a lasting impact. Heaven knows the ME has enough of a blood-soaked history fighting wars amongst themselves; they don't need the West's help killing each other off in the name of a new political ideology.
Posted by: MWR, The Public Intellectual (aka Beth) at November 18, 2019 04:09 PM (rP4OC)
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Department of State
@StateDept
.@SecPompeo: After carefully studying all sides of the legal debate, this Administration agrees with President Reagan. The establishment of Israeli civilian settlements in the West Bank is not per se inconsistent with international law.
@StateDept
.@SecPompeo: After carefully studying all sides of the legal debate, this Administration agrees with President Reagan. The establishment of Israeli civilian settlements in the West Bank is not per se inconsistent with international law.
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 18, 2019 04:09 PM (BqBId)
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I just wanted to see us smash their shit, take whatever was valuable, and install a brutal third-world client state in our wake.
Bush the elder should have done that.
Bush the elder should have done that.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 18, 2019 04:09 PM (dNzKv)
189
"Mr "Born Again" George W. had a hand in decimating 2,000 year-old Christian communities in the Mid East.
Posted by: JoeF."
Yup. As bad as he was, Saddam let the Christians be. He even let them serve in high positions. Tariq Aziz was a Christian IIRC.
Posted by: JoeF."
Yup. As bad as he was, Saddam let the Christians be. He even let them serve in high positions. Tariq Aziz was a Christian IIRC.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 04:09 PM (OD2ni)
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>>>168 You guys forget the Iraqi thingy was supposed to include Syria. The Turks denied access to our troops so the 4th ID had to sail around the middle east to join the fray.
that is only a factor in the initial invasion, which we still won and not by a small margin.
But then the real war started -- the Iran-funded and directed insurgency -- and we lost that.
It's amazing that we either didn't plan for this or imagined we'd just "deal with it" or whatever.
that is only a factor in the initial invasion, which we still won and not by a small margin.
But then the real war started -- the Iran-funded and directed insurgency -- and we lost that.
It's amazing that we either didn't plan for this or imagined we'd just "deal with it" or whatever.
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:09 PM (PbpT7)
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The Iraq War made sense if the US was ready to start an empire. It is possible to have a Pax Americana, but it requires the same measures as the Pax Romana: brutally subdue the bad actors and set up a permanent garrison to keep them in line. Personally, I'd rather see our country stay out of the empire business.
Posted by: Caliban at November 18, 2019 04:09 PM (qEujL)
192
BDS is still strong and wrong.
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 18, 2019 04:10 PM (Q5ALd)
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Remember when our betters assured us the Sunnis and Shias hated each other more than they hated us?
Someday we'll look back on this Experts' Reign of Terror as The Nichols Era.
Someday we'll look back on this Experts' Reign of Terror as The Nichols Era.
Posted by: Ted K. at November 18, 2019 04:10 PM (FJYfm)
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My biggest problem with them is they're supporting an Atlanta branch of the Girl Scouts. I don't give a shit about "gurrrrl powurrr," but I DO give a shit that Girl Scouts is basically Feminazis 'R' Us for modern girls. If they don't already have a "Received An Abortion" or "Protested for Abortion" merit badge yet, they will soon.
Posted by: MWR, The Public Intellectual (aka Beth) at November 18, 2019 04:07 PM (rP4OC)
See also the YWCA, which isn't Christian at all anymore, but an organization of Leftist Bulldykey Wokeness.
Posted by: MWR, The Public Intellectual (aka Beth) at November 18, 2019 04:07 PM (rP4OC)
See also the YWCA, which isn't Christian at all anymore, but an organization of Leftist Bulldykey Wokeness.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 04:10 PM (ujg0T)
195
I would like to see Democracy imported to the US. Best way to make this happen is to exile Manhattan.
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 18, 2019 04:10 PM (yRAFu)
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Removing him was still the best of a lot of bad options.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at November 18, 2019 03:57 PM (wCmLp)
that's the logic JFK had with Diem and 58,883 american dead after.
if there was a Saddam clone to replace him with and we got out two weeks later with an intact Iraqi Army you'd have a point
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at November 18, 2019 03:57 PM (wCmLp)
that's the logic JFK had with Diem and 58,883 american dead after.
if there was a Saddam clone to replace him with and we got out two weeks later with an intact Iraqi Army you'd have a point
Posted by: Avi at November 18, 2019 04:10 PM (kSq2k)
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I think that the Bush approach might have worked (it was actually starting to with Libya backing down) if give a chance, but the Dems were so determined to destroy him and what he was going they betrayed us and undermined the entire operation.
It was straight up, no questions, constitutionally-defined treason. They were directly and materially giving aid and comfort to our enemies during a time of war.
It was straight up, no questions, constitutionally-defined treason. They were directly and materially giving aid and comfort to our enemies during a time of war.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:10 PM (KZzsI)
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>>that is only a factor in the initial invasion, which we still won and not by a small margin.
Once we Broke the Elite Republican Guard...
The third most lethal fighting force in the world, or some shit.
Once we Broke the Elite Republican Guard...
The third most lethal fighting force in the world, or some shit.
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:10 PM (0/eGj)
199
I was fully expecting that headline to end with the words "American government."
Posted by: ShainS -- Trump/Conan the Hero Dog 2020: Two Barbarians for the Price of One!!! at November 18, 2019 04:11 PM (ktVgw)
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I have trouble envisioning how the "verdict of history" will ever conclude that this war benefited the US. Iran seems to be the winner, and all it cost them was some IEDs and bribe-money.
The Iranians are there, and will be forever, while at some point we were going to leave. Money says neighbor wins over foreign bully. However, when said neighbor is a recent bitter enemy AND from a different sect of islam than the majority of Iraqi's, well, I guess one could downplay the risks.
Or, could be Bush was planning on going after Iran, but the political winds turned on him too soon, and the Iraqi's weren't throwing flowers at our feet, as expected. I dunno.
On 9/12/01 I said I didn't give a shit who did it, if I were king of the forest I'd have a wheel of death with the countries who are the usual suspects on it. Spin that fucker an nuke whoever it landed on. But then I thought geez, that Bush guy is a better man than me.
Now 15 years later, I think I was right the first time.
The Iranians are there, and will be forever, while at some point we were going to leave. Money says neighbor wins over foreign bully. However, when said neighbor is a recent bitter enemy AND from a different sect of islam than the majority of Iraqi's, well, I guess one could downplay the risks.
Or, could be Bush was planning on going after Iran, but the political winds turned on him too soon, and the Iraqi's weren't throwing flowers at our feet, as expected. I dunno.
On 9/12/01 I said I didn't give a shit who did it, if I were king of the forest I'd have a wheel of death with the countries who are the usual suspects on it. Spin that fucker an nuke whoever it landed on. But then I thought geez, that Bush guy is a better man than me.
Now 15 years later, I think I was right the first time.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at November 18, 2019 04:11 PM (z79tQ)
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I just heard that Marlon Brando was either so drunk or so not-bothering
in Superman that all of his lines were written on pieces of paper in his
eyeline.
Okay, that's no big deal. But here's the kicker: He had one piece of
paper taped to the face of the actress playing his wife, Lara or
whatever. So that he could read his lines to her, right off of her face.
Posted by: ace
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And when they needed him to focus his eyeline offscreen, they used a cruller on a stick.
(I may have made that up)
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I just heard that Marlon Brando was either so drunk or so not-bothering
in Superman that all of his lines were written on pieces of paper in his
eyeline.
Okay, that's no big deal. But here's the kicker: He had one piece of
paper taped to the face of the actress playing his wife, Lara or
whatever. So that he could read his lines to her, right off of her face.
Posted by: ace
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And when they needed him to focus his eyeline offscreen, they used a cruller on a stick.
(I may have made that up)
Posted by: irright at November 18, 2019 04:11 PM (pMGkg)
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Mr "Born Again" George W. had a hand in decimating 2,000 year-old Christian communities in the Mid East.
Posted by: JoeF."
Yup. As bad as he was, Saddam let the Christians be. He even let them serve in high positions. Tariq Aziz was a Christian IIRC.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 04:09 PM (OD2ni)
Not that Aziz was a nice guy or anything, but yes, Saddam--like the Chinless Assads-- let the Christians be.
Posted by: JoeF."
Yup. As bad as he was, Saddam let the Christians be. He even let them serve in high positions. Tariq Aziz was a Christian IIRC.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 04:09 PM (OD2ni)
Not that Aziz was a nice guy or anything, but yes, Saddam--like the Chinless Assads-- let the Christians be.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 18, 2019 04:11 PM (CqE5x)
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191 The Iraq War made sense if the US was ready to start an empire. It is possible to have a Pax Americana, but it requires the same measures as the Pax Romana: brutally subdue the bad actors and set up a permanent garrison to keep them in line. Personally, I'd rather see our country stay out of the empire business.
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Have I got shit tons of trip wires for you - State Department - DOD.
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Have I got shit tons of trip wires for you - State Department - DOD.
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 18, 2019 04:11 PM (yRAFu)
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>>>175 Isn't there a 3rd Bryan Adams song?
sure. Summer of 69 for one. He did some schmaltzy songs for movies in the 90s.
Oh, and "Run to You."
sure. Summer of 69 for one. He did some schmaltzy songs for movies in the 90s.
Oh, and "Run to You."
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:11 PM (PbpT7)
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Okay, that's no big deal. But here's the kicker: He had one piece of paper taped to the face of the actress playing his wife, Lara or whatever. So that he could read his lines to her, right off of her face.
He got more sophisticated over time, got an ear bug so he could have someone read him lines.
He got more sophisticated over time, got an ear bug so he could have someone read him lines.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:12 PM (KZzsI)
206
I don't regret either vote for Bush. Given the choices I had I made the only choices I could. But man did his presidency suck.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at November 18, 2019 04:12 PM (H5knJ)
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:12 PM (0/eGj)
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Not that Aziz was a nice guy or anything, but yes, Saddam--like the Chinless Assads-- let the Christians be.
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Diversity requires a very large police force. Its a strength I'm told, but I think the strength is resident in the pimp hand.
Not that Aziz was a nice guy or anything, but yes, Saddam--like the Chinless Assads-- let the Christians be.
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Diversity requires a very large police force. Its a strength I'm told, but I think the strength is resident in the pimp hand.
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 18, 2019 04:12 PM (yRAFu)
209
These cables are hardly newz. A small clue as to the desperation of the situation for Iran - and the collapse/failure of the Iraqi leadership class, such as it is, was when not long ago the head of the IRGC flew in to chair a meeting of the council of ministers in Baghdad. Yep.
One of the great myths of Iraq [embraced by all, from DU to the NYT to the HQ] is that the major mistakes were all from the civilians, and not the uniforms. Wrong. [at least I haven't yet seen "we disbanded the army too quickly" nonsense, but it's probably here in the comments too]
In any case, the war was won and basically over when things were allowed to go to s**t [though early return of sovereignty was a ridiculous mistake, and the foundational one].
One of the great myths of Iraq [embraced by all, from DU to the NYT to the HQ] is that the major mistakes were all from the civilians, and not the uniforms. Wrong. [at least I haven't yet seen "we disbanded the army too quickly" nonsense, but it's probably here in the comments too]
In any case, the war was won and basically over when things were allowed to go to s**t [though early return of sovereignty was a ridiculous mistake, and the foundational one].
Posted by: rhomboid at November 18, 2019 04:12 PM (QDnY+)
210
"It's amazing that we either didn't plan for this or imagined we'd just "deal with it" or whatever.
Posted by: ace"
Plan for what Ace? Bill Kristol and Max Boot assured us we would be greeted as liberators.
Posted by: ace"
Plan for what Ace? Bill Kristol and Max Boot assured us we would be greeted as liberators.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 04:12 PM (OD2ni)
211
>>"Mr "Born Again" George W. had a hand in decimating 2,000 year-old Christian communities in the Mid East.
Posted by: JoeF."
Makes his wife supporting abortion and PP perfectly logical.
Posted by: JoeF."
Makes his wife supporting abortion and PP perfectly logical.
Posted by: Galil at November 18, 2019 04:13 PM (Pzzpr)
212
I think that the Bush approach might have worked (it was actually starting to with Libya backing down) if give a chance, but the Dems were so determined to destroy him and what he was going they betrayed us and undermined the entire operation.
It was straight up, no questions, constitutionally-defined treason. They were directly and materially giving aid and comfort to our enemies during a time of war.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:10 PM (KZzsI)
Yes, all true, but so what? Who does W throw in with NOW against Trump?
These same traitors.
It was straight up, no questions, constitutionally-defined treason. They were directly and materially giving aid and comfort to our enemies during a time of war.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:10 PM (KZzsI)
Yes, all true, but so what? Who does W throw in with NOW against Trump?
These same traitors.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 18, 2019 04:13 PM (CqE5x)
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206 I don't regret either vote for Bush. Given the choices I had I made the only choices I could. But man did his presidency suck.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at November 18, 2019 04:12 PM (H5knJ)
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Come on. He did the most conservative thing ever.
He added a new entitlement.
You should be grateful.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at November 18, 2019 04:12 PM (H5knJ)
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Come on. He did the most conservative thing ever.
He added a new entitlement.
You should be grateful.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 18, 2019 04:13 PM (q80AH)
214
Didn't he also do a sappy Movie ballad?
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:13 PM (0/eGj)
215
It cost trillions of dollars to prosecute, killed and wounded 10's of thousands of military personnel without giving us one iota of benefit from prosecuting the war and created the conditions that would allow an unknown Illinois state senator, to become senator then President, and now put us on the cusp of Democrat socialist takeover of the country.
In retrospect, we would have been better off if Al Gore would have won and W was relegated to managing a mid-tier baseball team in Texas.
Posted by: Huxley's Eyeglass Emporium
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I would tend to agree.
The only downside would be judicial picks, if Democrats got a long streak the Executive Branch, it wouldn't matter who won elections.
But Bush was a disaster and absolutely led to Obama. But Obama led to Trump.
In retrospect, we would have been better off if Al Gore would have won and W was relegated to managing a mid-tier baseball team in Texas.
Posted by: Huxley's Eyeglass Emporium
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I would tend to agree.
The only downside would be judicial picks, if Democrats got a long streak the Executive Branch, it wouldn't matter who won elections.
But Bush was a disaster and absolutely led to Obama. But Obama led to Trump.
Posted by: Blago at November 18, 2019 04:13 PM (sjTfF)
216
The existence of a President Kerry would have precluded the existence of a President Obama... which would have precluded the existence of a President Trump....
just musing out loud here.
just musing out loud here.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 18, 2019 04:13 PM (AURKQ)
217
Just a reminder for the yarn walls, but the former head of the CIA, you might remember him from such Presidencies as the 41st, was once the President of the United States.
Bush 41 was the first President for which I was able to vote (what with being 29 and all) and I vaguely remember there being those oh so looney looney tunes who were tin foil hatting about the dangers of the One World State and the Intelligence Community taking over everything and hahahahahaha
hahahahaha
hahaha
haha
ha
Funny. Yes, it's crazy cuckoo funny.
Bush 41 was the first President for which I was able to vote (what with being 29 and all) and I vaguely remember there being those oh so looney looney tunes who were tin foil hatting about the dangers of the One World State and the Intelligence Community taking over everything and hahahahahaha
hahahahaha
hahaha
haha
ha
Funny. Yes, it's crazy cuckoo funny.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 18, 2019 04:13 PM (mf5HN)
218
Oh, and "Run to You."
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:11 PM (PbpT7)
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I know her love is true
But it's so damn easy makin' love to you
Always chuckled at that one there.
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:11 PM (PbpT7)
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I know her love is true
But it's so damn easy makin' love to you
Always chuckled at that one there.
Posted by: jhawk90 at November 18, 2019 04:13 PM (Xvo1a)
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216 The existence of a President Kerry would have precluded the existence of a President Obama... which would have precluded the existence of a President Trump....
just musing out loud here.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 18, 2019 04:13 PM (AURKQ)
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If Teddy Roosevelt hadn't run in 1912...
just musing out loud here.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 18, 2019 04:13 PM (AURKQ)
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If Teddy Roosevelt hadn't run in 1912...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 18, 2019 04:13 PM (q80AH)
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180 Here's an idea, just so crazy it might work.
How about we pick one or these places, and install a Pro-Western dictator ? A real nut buster.
Posted by: Lurking Libertarian at November 18, 2019 04:01 PM (W+w2W)
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I have had the same thought.
Or basically privatize the oversight of whatever nation you've just crushed.
Make Blackwater or X3 or whatever they are now the guardian. They can run it for profit, and pay us a concession fee.
How about we pick one or these places, and install a Pro-Western dictator ? A real nut buster.
Posted by: Lurking Libertarian at November 18, 2019 04:01 PM (W+w2W)
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I have had the same thought.
Or basically privatize the oversight of whatever nation you've just crushed.
Make Blackwater or X3 or whatever they are now the guardian. They can run it for profit, and pay us a concession fee.
Posted by: TexasDan at November 18, 2019 04:14 PM (yL25O)
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>>>That's the one. 69, Knife and Run to You.
my favorite is Somebody. I girl I was madly in love with for years had me listen to that on her walkman.
my favorite is Somebody. I girl I was madly in love with for years had me listen to that on her walkman.
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:14 PM (PbpT7)
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191 The Iraq War made sense if the US was ready to start an empire. It is possible to have a Pax Americana, but it requires the same measures as the Pax Romana: brutally subdue the bad actors and set up a permanent garrison to keep them in line. Personally, I'd rather see our country stay out of the empire business.
Posted by: Caliban at November 18, 2019 04:09 PM (qEujL)
We have an empire. That's why we're involved in all this shit around the world.
Posted by: Caliban at November 18, 2019 04:09 PM (qEujL)
We have an empire. That's why we're involved in all this shit around the world.
Posted by: Someguy at November 18, 2019 04:14 PM (O+iVW)
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In their Iraq war marketing campaign, Bush minions like Paul Wolfowitz made lots of not-so-subtle insinuations that the real target was Iran.
I was stupid enough to buy it. I supported the war in Iraq, believing that eventually it would lead to defeating Iran.
I was an idiot.
I was stupid enough to buy it. I supported the war in Iraq, believing that eventually it would lead to defeating Iran.
I was an idiot.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at November 18, 2019 04:14 PM (sWM8x)
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Conservatives like Pat Buchanan and Robert Novak were right, but somehow were smeared as being antisemitic.
Posted by: Blago at November 18, 2019 04:00 PM (sjTfF)
Pat Buchanan is an anti-Semite.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2019 04:01 PM (zBaqJ)
i visited my son in Israel in 2011. a lecturer in his Yeshiva was a tank commander who told us that he prayed every day that the US would put Saddam back in power.
He reflected how most Israelis felt at the time. Buchanan is an anti-semitic pre vatican 2 idiot
Posted by: Blago at November 18, 2019 04:00 PM (sjTfF)
Pat Buchanan is an anti-Semite.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2019 04:01 PM (zBaqJ)
i visited my son in Israel in 2011. a lecturer in his Yeshiva was a tank commander who told us that he prayed every day that the US would put Saddam back in power.
He reflected how most Israelis felt at the time. Buchanan is an anti-semitic pre vatican 2 idiot
Posted by: Avi at November 18, 2019 04:14 PM (kSq2k)
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The two Bushs should go down in history as disasters along with Obama.
Posted by: steevy at November 18, 2019 04:14 PM (KNsKs)
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>>I know her love is true
But it's so damn easy makin' love to you
Well yeah, the Friction Coefficient is... marginal at best.
But it's so damn easy makin' love to you
Well yeah, the Friction Coefficient is... marginal at best.
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at November 18, 2019 04:14 PM (0/eGj)
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I supported going into Iraq.
I still do.
I just wanted to see us smash their shit, take whatever was valuable, and install a brutal third-world client state in our wake.
Not piss around white knighting like a bunch of assholes.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 18, 2019 04:04 PM (AURKQ)
This. Forget "nation-building". Bomb them to hell, and tell them to clean up their act or they'll get more of the same. And then, if they don't clean up their act, GIVE THEM MORE OF THE SAME.
Nation-building is like trying to have a "polite" war: "Oh, we'll just blow up a few little things to make a point. Now behave or we'll talk strongly at you!" It's bullshit.
I still do.
I just wanted to see us smash their shit, take whatever was valuable, and install a brutal third-world client state in our wake.
Not piss around white knighting like a bunch of assholes.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 18, 2019 04:04 PM (AURKQ)
This. Forget "nation-building". Bomb them to hell, and tell them to clean up their act or they'll get more of the same. And then, if they don't clean up their act, GIVE THEM MORE OF THE SAME.
Nation-building is like trying to have a "polite" war: "Oh, we'll just blow up a few little things to make a point. Now behave or we'll talk strongly at you!" It's bullshit.
Posted by: MWR, The Public Intellectual (aka Beth) at November 18, 2019 04:14 PM (rP4OC)
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214 Didn't he also do a sappy Movie ballad?
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:13 PM (0/eGj)
Everything I do I do it for you.
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:13 PM (0/eGj)
Everything I do I do it for you.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 18, 2019 04:14 PM (NWiLs)
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If not for Stalin, there would have been no Gorbachev.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 18, 2019 04:15 PM (dNzKv)
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so remember when someone would put their walkman's earphones on you and play songs from the walkman while she was still holding it?
It was like pre-first-base.
It was like pre-first-base.
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:15 PM (PbpT7)
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Mr "Born Again" George W. had a hand in decimating 2,000 year-old Christian communities in the Mid East.
Posted by: JoeF."
Yup. As bad as he was, Saddam let the Christians be. He even let them serve in high positions. Tariq Aziz was a Christian IIRC.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 04:09 PM (OD2ni)
Same is also true for Assad and Syrian Christians. But according to Ted Cruz (who I voted for in the primary) those Christians deserve genocide for not supporting Israel.
Posted by: JoeF."
Yup. As bad as he was, Saddam let the Christians be. He even let them serve in high positions. Tariq Aziz was a Christian IIRC.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 04:09 PM (OD2ni)
Same is also true for Assad and Syrian Christians. But according to Ted Cruz (who I voted for in the primary) those Christians deserve genocide for not supporting Israel.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at November 18, 2019 04:15 PM (RIvx9)
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Yes, all true, but so what? Who does W throw in with NOW against Trump?
These same traitors.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 18, 2019 04:13 PM (CqE5x)
Which it why it was wise for Trump to GTFO out of Kurd-land. I feel bad for them, but if Trump HAD tried a full intervention on the Kurds' behalf, they would have used that intervention to bring his Administration down.
We just have too many problems--and enemies--here at home, never mind the Erdogran regime or any other actor in that area.
These same traitors.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 18, 2019 04:13 PM (CqE5x)
Which it why it was wise for Trump to GTFO out of Kurd-land. I feel bad for them, but if Trump HAD tried a full intervention on the Kurds' behalf, they would have used that intervention to bring his Administration down.
We just have too many problems--and enemies--here at home, never mind the Erdogran regime or any other actor in that area.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 04:15 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:15 PM (0/eGj)
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Posted by: Avi at November 18, 2019 04:14 PM (kSq
Why? Did he miss Israel getting to bomb his nuclear reactor sites?
Why? Did he miss Israel getting to bomb his nuclear reactor sites?
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 18, 2019 04:15 PM (Q5ALd)
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Could Marlon Brando even see his willy over his distended belly?
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 18, 2019 04:16 PM (yRAFu)
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I have trouble envisioning how the "verdict of history" will ever conclude that this war benefited the US.
I have trouble envisioning how the "verdict of history" will ever conclude that this war was anything other than an epic cluster-fuck that got scores of our best and bravest killed for what turned-out to be less-than-proven reasons, all while destabilizing an already unstable and dangerous region.
I have trouble envisioning how the "verdict of history" will ever conclude that this war was anything other than an epic cluster-fuck that got scores of our best and bravest killed for what turned-out to be less-than-proven reasons, all while destabilizing an already unstable and dangerous region.
Posted by: DocJ at November 18, 2019 04:16 PM (77WPm)
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:16 PM (0/eGj)
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That's the one. 69, Knife and Run to You.
Posted by: garrett
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"This Time" brings back fun beach memories.
Posted by: garrett
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"This Time" brings back fun beach memories.
Posted by: 2009Refugee at November 18, 2019 04:16 PM (DfC7R)
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But Bush was a disaster and absolutely led to Obama. But Obama led to Trump.
Posted by: Blago at November 18, 2019 04:13 PM (sjTfF)
Obama was coming whether Bush was president or not. The end of the Cold War meant that the far left no longer felt that it needed to appeal to the more conservative blue-collar whites who were anti-communist and patriotic.
Posted by: Blago at November 18, 2019 04:13 PM (sjTfF)
Obama was coming whether Bush was president or not. The end of the Cold War meant that the far left no longer felt that it needed to appeal to the more conservative blue-collar whites who were anti-communist and patriotic.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at November 18, 2019 04:16 PM (wCmLp)
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Not that Aziz was a nice guy or anything, but yes, Saddam--like the Chinless Assads-- let the Christians be.
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Diversity requires a very large police force. Its a strength I'm told, but I think the strength is resident in the pimp hand.
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 18, 2019 04:12 PM (yRAFu)
Part of it was Baathist idealogy, part was Arab Nationalism, part was that Christians in the Middle East tend to have money, skill, global connections and are well-educated. They are useful to all--except ISIS types.
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Diversity requires a very large police force. Its a strength I'm told, but I think the strength is resident in the pimp hand.
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 18, 2019 04:12 PM (yRAFu)
Part of it was Baathist idealogy, part was Arab Nationalism, part was that Christians in the Middle East tend to have money, skill, global connections and are well-educated. They are useful to all--except ISIS types.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 18, 2019 04:16 PM (CqE5x)
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181 I just heard that Marlon Brando was either so drunk or so not-bothering in Superman that all of his lines were written on pieces of paper in his eyeline.
Okay, that's no big deal. But here's the kicker: He had one piece of paper taped to the face of the actress playing his wife, Lara or whatever. So that he could read his lines to her, right off of her face.
Posted by: ace
shouldn't you be testifying at an impeachment inquiry
Okay, that's no big deal. But here's the kicker: He had one piece of paper taped to the face of the actress playing his wife, Lara or whatever. So that he could read his lines to her, right off of her face.
Posted by: ace
shouldn't you be testifying at an impeachment inquiry
Posted by: REDACTED at November 18, 2019 04:16 PM (rpxSz)
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>>>"This Time" brings back fun beach memories.
i think that's INXS, unless Adams has one.
I know they broke at just about the same time.
i think that's INXS, unless Adams has one.
I know they broke at just about the same time.
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:17 PM (PbpT7)
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Yes, all true, but so what? Who does W throw in with NOW against Trump?
Yeah that's the problem. Whatever he stood for, apparently globalism and "ew ick, plus you hurt my brother" counts even more.
Yeah that's the problem. Whatever he stood for, apparently globalism and "ew ick, plus you hurt my brother" counts even more.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:17 PM (KZzsI)
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The two Bushs should go down in history as disasters along with Obama.
Posted by: steevy at November 18, 2019 04:14 PM (KNsKs)
It has been a bit rough since Reagan. And before that? Coolidge? The past 100 years has been nothing but shitty presidents.
Posted by: steevy at November 18, 2019 04:14 PM (KNsKs)
It has been a bit rough since Reagan. And before that? Coolidge? The past 100 years has been nothing but shitty presidents.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 18, 2019 04:17 PM (dNzKv)
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There was that cheezy song from that Kevin Costner Robin Hood dealy.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 18, 2019 04:17 PM (AURKQ)
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>>It was like pre-first-base.
Like seeing the infield at double play depth and getting the 'Bunt' sign from the 3rd Base Coach.
Like seeing the infield at double play depth and getting the 'Bunt' sign from the 3rd Base Coach.
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:17 PM (0/eGj)
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The two Bushs should go down in history as disasters along with Obama.
Posted by: steevy at November 18, 2019 04:14 PM (KNsKs)
I still gotta throw Clinton in the mix, mediocre as he was he still gave the Chicoms a 50 year advantage on almost everything. That alone is swing-worthy.
The two Bushs should go down in history as disasters along with Obama.
Posted by: steevy at November 18, 2019 04:14 PM (KNsKs)
I still gotta throw Clinton in the mix, mediocre as he was he still gave the Chicoms a 50 year advantage on almost everything. That alone is swing-worthy.
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 18, 2019 04:17 PM (Z1ykJ)
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I'm surprised, said nobody who has been there.
For years we watched the IRGC funnel men and material into Iraq because Mr Barky wouldn't let us flame them. This happened with the implicit help of Iranian plants in the Iraq government and their booger eaters on the ground. Again, because Barky had no balls or brain.
Lucky for Iraq they are more nationalistic than prone to putting their religious beliefs before country. Wait- doesn't that make them Nazi's with the Twitter dolts? I'm so confused.
For years we watched the IRGC funnel men and material into Iraq because Mr Barky wouldn't let us flame them. This happened with the implicit help of Iranian plants in the Iraq government and their booger eaters on the ground. Again, because Barky had no balls or brain.
Lucky for Iraq they are more nationalistic than prone to putting their religious beliefs before country. Wait- doesn't that make them Nazi's with the Twitter dolts? I'm so confused.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at November 18, 2019 04:17 PM (F73W5)
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230- The Paolo, he only hits the ball to, as you say, the fourth base. This "pre-first base" you speak of, it is for the little sissy-boys.
Posted by: The Paolo at November 18, 2019 04:17 PM (87EdW)
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And don't forget that this period of "War" gave rise and impetus to the supercharging of the surveillance state.
Yep, Bush was a fucking disaster all-around.
And don't forget that this period of "War" gave rise and impetus to the supercharging of the surveillance state.
Yep, Bush was a fucking disaster all-around.
Posted by: Huxley's Eyeglass Emporium at November 18, 2019 04:18 PM (43qa7)
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How is the Prisoner of Sodiny, Roger Stone, doing these days?
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 18, 2019 04:18 PM (yRAFu)
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Yes, all true, but so what? Who does W throw in with NOW against Trump?
Yeah that's the problem. Whatever he stood for, apparently globalism and "ew ick, plus you hurt my brother" counts even more.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:17 PM (KZzsI)
"Please clap."
Yes, all true, but so what? Who does W throw in with NOW against Trump?
Yeah that's the problem. Whatever he stood for, apparently globalism and "ew ick, plus you hurt my brother" counts even more.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:17 PM (KZzsI)
"Please clap."
Posted by: MWR, The Public Intellectual (aka Beth) at November 18, 2019 04:18 PM (rP4OC)
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think that's INXS, unless Adams has one.
I know they broke at just about the same time.
Posted by: ace
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Same title, different songs.
I know they broke at just about the same time.
Posted by: ace
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Same title, different songs.
Posted by: 2009Refugee at November 18, 2019 04:18 PM (DfC7R)
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But Bush was a disaster and absolutely led to Obama. But Obama led to Trump.
Posted by: Blago
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I think one of the important differences between 'us' and 'them' is that libtards would never admit to The Chocolate One leading to PDT. In their minds, not only is that not possible, but simply inconceivable.
Posted by: Blago
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I think one of the important differences between 'us' and 'them' is that libtards would never admit to The Chocolate One leading to PDT. In their minds, not only is that not possible, but simply inconceivable.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 18, 2019 04:18 PM (Y4EXg)
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We have an empire. That's why we're involved in all this shit around the world.
Posted by: Someguy at November 18, 2019 04:14 PM (O+iVW)
True, we DO, but it's really not in our national temperment, and there is no 21st Century Kipling to cajole and inspire us to take up "The Yankee's Burden"
Posted by: Someguy at November 18, 2019 04:14 PM (O+iVW)
True, we DO, but it's really not in our national temperment, and there is no 21st Century Kipling to cajole and inspire us to take up "The Yankee's Burden"
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 04:19 PM (ujg0T)
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ace - huh? We "lost" to the "insurgency"?? Missed that one. Later developments entirely dependent on our reducing our presence and influence are another thing.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 18, 2019 04:19 PM (QDnY+)
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My oldest sis went to Bryan Adams HS
never could could figure out how that fucker got a school named after himself at the age of 1
never could could figure out how that fucker got a school named after himself at the age of 1
Posted by: REDACTED at November 18, 2019 04:19 PM (rpxSz)
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Sure.
But if you are gonna make her a mix tape, you can't start with that song. You might not even be able to include that song...
So. What song goes first?
But if you are gonna make her a mix tape, you can't start with that song. You might not even be able to include that song...
So. What song goes first?
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:19 PM (0/eGj)
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230 so remember when someone would put their walkman's earphones on you and play songs from the walkman while she was still holding it?
It was like pre-first-base.
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:15 PM (PbpT7)
Crossing the ear-doo-dads over and both listening at the same time was second base.
It was like pre-first-base.
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:15 PM (PbpT7)
Crossing the ear-doo-dads over and both listening at the same time was second base.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 18, 2019 04:19 PM (AURKQ)
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According to first treasury secretary iraq war was on at the first meeting of cabinet in january 2001. As for 9-11 in 1998 cheney and the neo-cons said in progress for new american century we will need a "second pearl harbor" before american people will allow us to invade iraq. When phil donahue was fired from msnbc for opposing the iraq war weren't you happy the "traitor peacenik" was fired?
Posted by: raimondo at November 18, 2019 04:19 PM (cqgYu)
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what was the song Adams did with Tina Turner? That was a song, right? I reember that being okayh
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:19 PM (PbpT7)
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Same is also true for Assad and Syrian Christians. But according to Ted Cruz (who I voted for in the primary) those Christians deserve genocide for not supporting Israel.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at November 18, 2019 04:15 PM (RIvx9)
If he actually said or implied that, he's an asshat.
Not going to deny that anti-Semitism runs among the Arab Christians, but they can't afford to be seen to openly support Israel--though the christian Phalangist groups in Lebanon were openly Israeli allies.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at November 18, 2019 04:15 PM (RIvx9)
If he actually said or implied that, he's an asshat.
Not going to deny that anti-Semitism runs among the Arab Christians, but they can't afford to be seen to openly support Israel--though the christian Phalangist groups in Lebanon were openly Israeli allies.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 18, 2019 04:19 PM (CqE5x)
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Everything W. touches turns to shit. Here's hoping opposing DJT puts them all in the grave, au natural as it were.
Posted by: monkey at November 18, 2019 04:19 PM (CLteG)
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" Iran seems to be the winner, and all it cost them was some IEDs and bribe-money."
Which Obama repaid, and overpaid.
Which Obama repaid, and overpaid.
Posted by: TX Nick77 at November 18, 2019 04:20 PM (mYjhh)
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:20 PM (PbpT7)
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I have trouble envisioning how the "verdict of history" will ever conclude that this war benefited the US. Iran seems to be the winner, and all it cost them was some IEDs and bribe-money
>>> Easy. Saddam was a POS who kept effing with us, and learned a lesson about playing with the piranha
>>> Easy. Saddam was a POS who kept effing with us, and learned a lesson about playing with the piranha
Posted by: Tradd at November 18, 2019 04:20 PM (GSJcT)
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Replacing Sadam with essentially anyone was always a problem for Iraq. Killing him was not a terrible thing, but not having anyone to replace him with was catastrophic.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 18, 2019 04:20 PM (JRaU+)
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so remember when someone would put their walkman's earphones on you and play songs from the walkman while she was still holding it?
It was like pre-first-base.
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:15 PM (PbpT7)
The next tier move was having the splitter in the headphone jack so that you could have two sets of headphones and then you had one and you could have someone else listen as well.
Of course, you had to be fairly close to each other for the headphones to reach.
It was like pre-first-base.
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:15 PM (PbpT7)
The next tier move was having the splitter in the headphone jack so that you could have two sets of headphones and then you had one and you could have someone else listen as well.
Of course, you had to be fairly close to each other for the headphones to reach.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 18, 2019 04:20 PM (mf5HN)
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234 Posted by: Avi at November 18, 2019 04:14 PM (kSq
Why? Did he miss Israel getting bomb his nuclear reactor sites?
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 18, 2019 04:15 PM (Q5ALd)
t
he was better than the alternative and 4000 dead americans
Why? Did he miss Israel getting bomb his nuclear reactor sites?
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 18, 2019 04:15 PM (Q5ALd)
t
he was better than the alternative and 4000 dead americans
Posted by: Avi at November 18, 2019 04:20 PM (kSq2k)
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Obama was coming whether Bush was president or not. The end of the Cold War meant that the far left no longer felt that it needed to appeal to the more conservative blue-collar whites who were anti-communist and patriotic.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile
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Completely disagree, pretend Obama had been the nominee in 2004, he would have been crushed like Dukakis was crushed. It wouldn't have been just down to Ohio.
You needed a disaster Presidency to get Obama and Bush gave us that. On foreign policy and the domestic economy, he shit the bed. And could barely string together a sentence. Bush also badly alienated his base that pulled his worthless carcass across the finish line.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile
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Completely disagree, pretend Obama had been the nominee in 2004, he would have been crushed like Dukakis was crushed. It wouldn't have been just down to Ohio.
You needed a disaster Presidency to get Obama and Bush gave us that. On foreign policy and the domestic economy, he shit the bed. And could barely string together a sentence. Bush also badly alienated his base that pulled his worthless carcass across the finish line.
Posted by: Blago at November 18, 2019 04:20 PM (sjTfF)
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Retardo has arrived
Posted by: steevy at November 18, 2019 04:20 PM (KNsKs)
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>>>The next tier move was having the splitter in the headphone jack so that you could have two sets of headphones and then you had one and you could have someone else listen as well.
Of course, you had to be fairly close to each other for the headphones to reach.
...
The next tier, which was almost kissing, was turning around the headphone buds so that you could each listen to one bud, one in your ear, one in hers (his, watever).
Of course, you had to be fairly close to each other for the headphones to reach.
...
The next tier, which was almost kissing, was turning around the headphone buds so that you could each listen to one bud, one in your ear, one in hers (his, watever).
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:21 PM (PbpT7)
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:21 PM (Zz0t1)
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Yes, yes, it is, but it is also the actual original source material from which everyone is spinning their centrifuges.
Fenelon wanted the CFA statement. There it is.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 18, 2019 03:57 PM (mf5HN)
And it also lists where they have been and will be giving. And I saw nothing that should get everyone worked up over, but to each their own.
Fenelon wanted the CFA statement. There it is.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 18, 2019 03:57 PM (mf5HN)
And it also lists where they have been and will be giving. And I saw nothing that should get everyone worked up over, but to each their own.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Laments: Mimes, Why Did It Have To Be Mimes? at November 18, 2019 04:21 PM (L5Ypf)
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One of the worst things ever uttered by a sitting President of The United States.
"Islham is a religion of peace."
"Islham is a religion of peace."
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:21 PM (Zz0t1)
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Having a biz in Dallas and doing a lot of biz in Houston
Not sure I met one person that knew and liked the Bushes that wasn't a retard
Not sure I met one person that knew and liked the Bushes that wasn't a retard
Posted by: REDACTED at November 18, 2019 04:22 PM (rpxSz)
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ace - huh? We "lost" to the "insurgency"?? Missed that one. Later developments entirely dependent on our reducing our presence and influence are another thing.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 18, 2019 04:19 PM (QDnY+)
So much misinformation I've given up trying to address it all.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 18, 2019 04:19 PM (QDnY+)
So much misinformation I've given up trying to address it all.
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 18, 2019 04:22 PM (Q5ALd)
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274 And it also lists where they have been and will be giving. And I saw nothing that should get everyone worked up over, but to each their own.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Laments: Mimes, Why Did It Have To Be Mimes? at November 18, 2019 04:21 PM (L5Ypf)
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Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Laments: Mimes, Why Did It Have To Be Mimes? at November 18, 2019 04:21 PM (L5Ypf)
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If you need you hair relit, please see reception. They should be able to direct you to kindling and fluids before sending you to ignition.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 18, 2019 04:22 PM (q80AH)
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I remember one of the times in the Iraq war that gave me grave doubts about whether our leadership had the foggiest notion of what they were doing.
It was when Iranian-supplied EFPs started showing up in Iraq, and people in the Bush administration behaved as though this were some shocking development, and that the war had taken an unexpected turn for the worse.
I was just a dumb kid in my early twenties, and was thinking "wait... what? How on earth could you have NOT predicted Iran would stick their oar in the water?"
I mean, I obviously didn't know what form Iranian involvement would take, but that it would happen seemed plainly obvious to me.
And, IIRC, it was Suleimani who was coordinating the effort to arm Iraqi resistance back then.
It was when Iranian-supplied EFPs started showing up in Iraq, and people in the Bush administration behaved as though this were some shocking development, and that the war had taken an unexpected turn for the worse.
I was just a dumb kid in my early twenties, and was thinking "wait... what? How on earth could you have NOT predicted Iran would stick their oar in the water?"
I mean, I obviously didn't know what form Iranian involvement would take, but that it would happen seemed plainly obvious to me.
And, IIRC, it was Suleimani who was coordinating the effort to arm Iraqi resistance back then.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2019 04:22 PM (AzW6q)
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INXS was a much better band but I liked Bryan Adams okay 
I know its cool to hate him but he had good hits. Huey Louis & The News were overplayed too but they're still great.
I know its cool to hate him but he had good hits. Huey Louis & The News were overplayed too but they're still great.Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:22 PM (KZzsI)
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>>We have an empire. That's why we're involved in all this shit around the world.
Posted by: Someguy at November 18, 2019 04:14 PM (O+iVW)
An "empire"--at least in the sense of the Roman Ermpire, or the Ottoman, British, or French--doesn't just mean having a military base in a country; it means maintining control the government of that country by military force. Not sure that applies to America's presence in the Middle East.
Posted by: Someguy at November 18, 2019 04:14 PM (O+iVW)
An "empire"--at least in the sense of the Roman Ermpire, or the Ottoman, British, or French--doesn't just mean having a military base in a country; it means maintining control the government of that country by military force. Not sure that applies to America's presence in the Middle East.
Posted by: Caliban at November 18, 2019 04:23 PM (qEujL)
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The next tier, which was almost kissing, was turning around the headphone buds so that you could each listen to one bud, one in your ear, one in hers (his, watever).
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:21 PM (PbpT7)
Mmmmhmmm. Hey, it's completely innocent. Just sharing some tunes.
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:21 PM (PbpT7)
Mmmmhmmm. Hey, it's completely innocent. Just sharing some tunes.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 18, 2019 04:23 PM (mf5HN)
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267 Replacing Sadam with essentially anyone was always a problem for Iraq. Killing him was not a terrible thing, but not having anyone to replace him with was catastrophic.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 18, 2019 04:20 PM (JRaU+)
shoulda learnt that lesson with JFK and Diem
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 18, 2019 04:20 PM (JRaU+)
shoulda learnt that lesson with JFK and Diem
Posted by: Avi at November 18, 2019 04:24 PM (kSq2k)
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It was the fucking CPA and that douche Pal Bremer whose incompetence put Iran in play. He also made the situation much worse.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at November 18, 2019 04:24 PM (F73W5)
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I was just a dumb kid in my early twenties, and was thinking "wait... what? How on earth could you have NOT predicted Iran would stick their oar in the water?"
Yeah I don't know if they were genuinely surprised or if they just couldn't figure how to spin this positive for Muslims in general.
Yeah I don't know if they were genuinely surprised or if they just couldn't figure how to spin this positive for Muslims in general.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:24 PM (KZzsI)
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We've sure had some crappy presidents.
Amazed we're still alive.
Amazed we're still alive.
Posted by: wth at November 18, 2019 04:24 PM (v0R5T)
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280 INXS was a much better band but I liked Bryan Adams okay I know its cool to hate him but he had good hits.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:22 PM (KZzsI)
Another reason to Blame Canada.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:22 PM (KZzsI)
Another reason to Blame Canada.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:24 PM (wGeit)
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The two Bushs should go down in history as disasters along with Obama.
Posted by: steevy at November 18, 2019 04:14 PM (KNsKs)
I still gotta throw Clinton in the mix, mediocre as he was he still gave the Chicoms a 50 year advantage on almost everything. That alone is swing-worthy.
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 18, 2019 04:17 PM (Z1ykJ)
You can pretty much look at the years between 1989 to 2016 policy wise as one looooooong -
George HW Bush administration.
Sad. But there it is.
Posted by: steevy at November 18, 2019 04:14 PM (KNsKs)
I still gotta throw Clinton in the mix, mediocre as he was he still gave the Chicoms a 50 year advantage on almost everything. That alone is swing-worthy.
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 18, 2019 04:17 PM (Z1ykJ)
You can pretty much look at the years between 1989 to 2016 policy wise as one looooooong -
George HW Bush administration.
Sad. But there it is.
Posted by: naturalfakeq at November 18, 2019 04:24 PM (9X624)
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Having a biz in Dallas and doing a lot of biz in Houston
Not sure I met one person that knew and liked the Bushes that wasn't a retard
Posted by: REDACTED at November 18, 2019 04:22 PM (rpxSz)
I'm in DFW and will be in Houston tomorrow.
Small world, huh.
Not sure I met one person that knew and liked the Bushes that wasn't a retard
Posted by: REDACTED at November 18, 2019 04:22 PM (rpxSz)
I'm in DFW and will be in Houston tomorrow.
Small world, huh.
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:24 PM (Zz0t1)
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An "empire"--at least in the sense of the Roman Ermpire, or the Ottoman, British, or French--doesn't just mean having a military base in a country; it means maintining control the government of that country by military force. Not sure that applies to America's presence in the Middle East.
Posted by: Caliban at November 18, 2019 04:23 PM (qEujL)
I agree. But I believe that unless we are prepared to actually be colonizers, we shouldn't be the world's policeman.
An "empire"--at least in the sense of the Roman Ermpire, or the Ottoman, British, or French--doesn't just mean having a military base in a country; it means maintining control the government of that country by military force. Not sure that applies to America's presence in the Middle East.
Posted by: Caliban at November 18, 2019 04:23 PM (qEujL)
I agree. But I believe that unless we are prepared to actually be colonizers, we shouldn't be the world's policeman.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 18, 2019 04:24 PM (CqE5x)
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To me Bryan Adams and Inxs fall into the same category: both had some great songs, but you'd basically have to raid the good ones from their entire catalogue to put together one completely good album. A lot of filler in there.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at November 18, 2019 04:24 PM (H5knJ)
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Another reason to Blame Canada.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:24 PM
They're not a real country anyway.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:24 PM
They're not a real country anyway.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 18, 2019 04:25 PM (ejd/p)
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283 The next tier, which was almost kissing, was turning around the headphone buds so that you could each listen to one bud, one in your ear, one in hers (his, watever).
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:21 PM (PbpT7)
It sets up the surprise anal rather nicely I think.
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:21 PM (PbpT7)
It sets up the surprise anal rather nicely I think.
Posted by: monkey at November 18, 2019 04:25 PM (CLteG)
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Iraq wasn't a mistake if you consider the tens (hundreds?) of thousands of hard core Al Qaeda operatives that migrated there only to be splattered and incinerated by American military power. We tend to forget about the global reach of that group of goat fucking swine until only a few short years ago.
As for the regional implications of some bribes to Iraqis that's still not certain as it pertains to Iran. Considering what was on the table at the time removing an agent of instability like Saddam made sense.
As for the regional implications of some bribes to Iraqis that's still not certain as it pertains to Iran. Considering what was on the table at the time removing an agent of instability like Saddam made sense.
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at November 18, 2019 04:25 PM (BRpqW)
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:25 PM (0/eGj)
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293 Another reason to Blame Canada.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:24 PM
They're not a real country anyway.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 18, 2019 04:25 PM (ejd/p)
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I just ask myself, "What would Brian Boitano do?"
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:24 PM
They're not a real country anyway.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 18, 2019 04:25 PM (ejd/p)
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I just ask myself, "What would Brian Boitano do?"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 18, 2019 04:25 PM (q80AH)
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275 One of the worst things ever uttered by a sitting President of The United States.
"Islham is a religion of peace."
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:21 PM (Zz0t1)
A "noble lie" that he seemed to actually believe. I think what really sums up W's worldview is that he genuinely always believed the best of all people.
When it came to Iraq, he really seemed to believe that they were just like us and would be totally ok if we just got this dictator out of the way.
"Islham is a religion of peace."
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:21 PM (Zz0t1)
A "noble lie" that he seemed to actually believe. I think what really sums up W's worldview is that he genuinely always believed the best of all people.
When it came to Iraq, he really seemed to believe that they were just like us and would be totally ok if we just got this dictator out of the way.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at November 18, 2019 04:25 PM (RIvx9)
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Never shared headphones, but did play Def Leppard in the underdash, aftermarket cassette deck while entertaining lady friends in the back seat of my 14 year old Pontiac Catalina.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 18, 2019 04:25 PM (87EdW)
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176 Laura Bush used to come in my antique shop
never took the xanax look off her mug
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At least she was pretty and exuded class. Not like some recent First "Ladies" I could name.
never took the xanax look off her mug
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At least she was pretty and exuded class. Not like some recent First "Ladies" I could name.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 18, 2019 04:25 PM (Ejm1K)
Posted by: DaveA at November 18, 2019 04:25 PM (FhXTo)
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266 I have trouble envisioning how the "verdict of history" will ever conclude that this war benefited the US. Iran seems to be the winner, and all it cost them was some IEDs and bribe-money
>>> Easy. Saddam was a POS who kept effing with us, and learned a lesson about playing with the piranha
Posted by: Tradd at November 18, 2019 04:20 PM (GSJcT)
So to punish him we essentially gave Iraq to Iran, a country they had been at war with just a few years ago.
You know, Iran that blew up our Marines in Lebanon? Iran who held our Diplomats and staff hostage? Iran that killed a bunch of our soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq by supplying IEDs and training?
We are the absolute worst Evil Masterminds EVAH!
>>> Easy. Saddam was a POS who kept effing with us, and learned a lesson about playing with the piranha
Posted by: Tradd at November 18, 2019 04:20 PM (GSJcT)
So to punish him we essentially gave Iraq to Iran, a country they had been at war with just a few years ago.
You know, Iran that blew up our Marines in Lebanon? Iran who held our Diplomats and staff hostage? Iran that killed a bunch of our soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq by supplying IEDs and training?
We are the absolute worst Evil Masterminds EVAH!
Posted by: Don Quixote, Tilting at November 18, 2019 04:25 PM (NgKpN)
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283 The next tier, which was almost kissing, was turning around the headphone buds so that you could each listen to one bud, one in your ear, one in hers (his, watever).
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:21 PM (PbpT7)
Mmmmhmmm. Hey, it's completely innocent. Just sharing some tunes.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 18, 2019 04:23 PM (mf5HN)
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You look cold, here's my coat. Let me drape that around your shoulders. My arm should probably stay here to be sure it doesn't fall off.
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:21 PM (PbpT7)
Mmmmhmmm. Hey, it's completely innocent. Just sharing some tunes.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 18, 2019 04:23 PM (mf5HN)
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You look cold, here's my coat. Let me drape that around your shoulders. My arm should probably stay here to be sure it doesn't fall off.
Posted by: TexasDan at November 18, 2019 04:26 PM (yL25O)
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287 We've sure had some crappy presidents.
Amazed we're still alive.
Posted by: wth at November 18, 2019 04:24 PM (v0R5T)
The rest of the world had worse.
Amazed we're still alive.
Posted by: wth at November 18, 2019 04:24 PM (v0R5T)
The rest of the world had worse.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2019 04:26 PM (zBaqJ)
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267 Replacing Sadam with essentially anyone was always a problem for
Iraq. Killing him was not a terrible thing, but not having anyone to
replace him with was catastrophic.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 18, 2019 04:20 PM (JRaU+)
"Iraq" is what you get when you cobble together the Mosul, Baghdad, and Basra provinces (Vilayets) from the defeated Ottoman Empire after World War I.
Iraq. Killing him was not a terrible thing, but not having anyone to
replace him with was catastrophic.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 18, 2019 04:20 PM (JRaU+)
"Iraq" is what you get when you cobble together the Mosul, Baghdad, and Basra provinces (Vilayets) from the defeated Ottoman Empire after World War I.
Posted by: DocJ at November 18, 2019 04:26 PM (77WPm)
Posted by: REDACTED at November 18, 2019 04:26 PM (rpxSz)
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@215 al gore did win the supreme court stopped the vote counting. As for the so called surge most of you don't know what worked was not more troops but bribing sunni tribal leaders to oppse the sergeancy. Money makes the world go round. You can't buy friends but you sure can rent them.
Posted by: raimondo at November 18, 2019 04:26 PM (cqgYu)
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INXS Burn For You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI4ijw3x_V0
they used to play this in the bumpers of televised Mets games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI4ijw3x_V0
they used to play this in the bumpers of televised Mets games.
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:26 PM (PbpT7)
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"so remember when someone would put their walkman's earphones on you and play songs from the walkman while she was still holding it?
It was like pre-first-base.
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:15 PM (PbpT7) "
To me foreplay was drinking from the same bottle of beer. But that's why I have issues.
It was like pre-first-base.
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:15 PM (PbpT7) "
To me foreplay was drinking from the same bottle of beer. But that's why I have issues.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at November 18, 2019 04:26 PM (F73W5)
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Another deepfake of George Lucas, this time at a panel discussion. The person playing Jeff Goldbloom is pretty funny. A bit too long though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_6Tumd8EQI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_6Tumd8EQI
Posted by: Max Power at November 18, 2019 04:26 PM (q177U)
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I "entertained" quite successfully to INXS Kick. It might suck, but to me it is Pavlovian good.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 18, 2019 04:27 PM (87EdW)
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When it came to Iraq, he really seemed to believe that they were just like us and would be totally ok if we just got this dictator out of the way.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at November 18, 2019 04:25 PM (RIvx9)
Carter and Younger Bush convinced me we need an Asshole for a President.
a Pro AMERICAN Asshole, unlike Obama, but an Asshole none the less.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at November 18, 2019 04:25 PM (RIvx9)
Carter and Younger Bush convinced me we need an Asshole for a President.
a Pro AMERICAN Asshole, unlike Obama, but an Asshole none the less.
Posted by: Don Quixote, Tilting at November 18, 2019 04:27 PM (NgKpN)
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>>Mmmmhmmm. Hey, it's completely innocent. Just sharing some tunes.
Popcorn?
Just help yourself...
the coming attractions should start anytime now.
Popcorn?
Just help yourself...
the coming attractions should start anytime now.
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:27 PM (0/eGj)
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284 267 Replacing Sadam with essentially anyone was always a problem for Iraq. Killing him was not a terrible thing, but not having anyone to replace him with was catastrophic.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 18, 2019 04:20 PM (JRaU+)
shoulda learnt that lesson with JFK and Diem
Posted by: Avi at November 18, 2019 04:24 PM (kSq2k)
Killing him was fine. The part we messed up was, as Derbyshire noted, in turning a perfectly reasonable exercise in gunboat diplomacy into a futile grind of nation building. Destroy Iraqi army, hang Hussein, leave.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 18, 2019 04:20 PM (JRaU+)
shoulda learnt that lesson with JFK and Diem
Posted by: Avi at November 18, 2019 04:24 PM (kSq2k)
Killing him was fine. The part we messed up was, as Derbyshire noted, in turning a perfectly reasonable exercise in gunboat diplomacy into a futile grind of nation building. Destroy Iraqi army, hang Hussein, leave.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:27 PM (wGeit)
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284. Good parallel.
And I know the first Gulf War had a UN resolution about the parameters, Arab involvement etc. But, the real reason Saddam was left standing was because of exactly this scenario. There was no one else to place on the throne.
And I know the first Gulf War had a UN resolution about the parameters, Arab involvement etc. But, the real reason Saddam was left standing was because of exactly this scenario. There was no one else to place on the throne.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 18, 2019 04:28 PM (JRaU+)
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One of the worst things ever uttered by a sitting President of The United States.
"Islham is a religion of peace."
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:21 PM (Zz0t1)
Bush's second worst thing was saying that all people yearn for freedom. No they don't. All people yearn for self-determination, but as far as freedom for the rest of the country? Very, very few people want that.
Who in the Middle East (besides Israel) is OK with the idea of Christians freely practice their religion? With people criticizing Mohammed? Gay bars? Women serving as elected officials, and dressed in short skirts? Freedom requires putting up with a lot of things you don't really like, but that don't put you fundamentally at risk of harm. How many, even in the US, want that?
"Islham is a religion of peace."
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:21 PM (Zz0t1)
Bush's second worst thing was saying that all people yearn for freedom. No they don't. All people yearn for self-determination, but as far as freedom for the rest of the country? Very, very few people want that.
Who in the Middle East (besides Israel) is OK with the idea of Christians freely practice their religion? With people criticizing Mohammed? Gay bars? Women serving as elected officials, and dressed in short skirts? Freedom requires putting up with a lot of things you don't really like, but that don't put you fundamentally at risk of harm. How many, even in the US, want that?
Posted by: Ted K. at November 18, 2019 04:28 PM (FJYfm)
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I saw INXS in concert at the height of their powers and they were damn good. Outstanding live band.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at November 18, 2019 04:28 PM (1XNk8)
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Completely disagree, pretend Obama had been the nominee in 2004, he would have been crushed like Dukakis was crushed. It wouldn't have been just down to Ohio.
In 2004 Bush had the benefit of both 9/11 and the successful removal of Saddam working in his favor. Absent the Iraq war, you just have Afghanistan, which involved a limited number of troops. America wouldn't have cared anymore, Obama would have run on winding down our Afghan operations, and the left would have turned out in droves to vote for him, as well as plenty of moderates happy to vote for the black guy to prove that they weren't racists.
In 2004 Bush had the benefit of both 9/11 and the successful removal of Saddam working in his favor. Absent the Iraq war, you just have Afghanistan, which involved a limited number of troops. America wouldn't have cared anymore, Obama would have run on winding down our Afghan operations, and the left would have turned out in droves to vote for him, as well as plenty of moderates happy to vote for the black guy to prove that they weren't racists.
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312 When it came to Iraq, he really seemed to believe that they were just like us and would be totally ok if we just got this dictator out of the way.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at November 18, 2019 04:25 PM (RIvx9)
Carter and Younger Bush convinced me we need an Asshole for a President.
a Pro AMERICAN Asshole, unlike Obama, but an Asshole none the less.
Posted by: Don Quixote, Tilting at November 18, 2019 04:27 PM (NgKpN)
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Are you implying that there should be different criteria for determining who would make a good political leader and who would make a good spiritual leader?!
I need to let David French know! I don't think he realizes the extent of his error!
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at November 18, 2019 04:25 PM (RIvx9)
Carter and Younger Bush convinced me we need an Asshole for a President.
a Pro AMERICAN Asshole, unlike Obama, but an Asshole none the less.
Posted by: Don Quixote, Tilting at November 18, 2019 04:27 PM (NgKpN)
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Are you implying that there should be different criteria for determining who would make a good political leader and who would make a good spiritual leader?!
I need to let David French know! I don't think he realizes the extent of his error!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 18, 2019 04:28 PM (q80AH)
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I still have a cassette player and tons of mix tapes. Don't get out to listen to them much any longer, though.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:28 PM (KZzsI)
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308 INXS Burn For You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI4ijw3x_V0
they used to play this in the bumpers of televised Mets games.
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:26 PM (PbpT7)
Huge INXS fan. They were the last band that I followed before essentially, for lack of a better word, growing too old to be into contemporary popular music.
Outstanding songs, musicianship and stagecraft.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI4ijw3x_V0
they used to play this in the bumpers of televised Mets games.
Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:26 PM (PbpT7)
Huge INXS fan. They were the last band that I followed before essentially, for lack of a better word, growing too old to be into contemporary popular music.
Outstanding songs, musicianship and stagecraft.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2019 04:28 PM (zBaqJ)
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al gore did win the supreme court stopped the vote counting.
Whatever helps you sleep. In the real world no count ever had Gore ahead.
Whatever helps you sleep. In the real world no count ever had Gore ahead.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:29 PM (wGeit)
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INXS stopped at just the right time: they were getting better and better, and each album was more solid. Not like U2 or the Rolling Stones who keep putting out records even though no one listens to them any longer. Even Rush figured out eventually you should fold up shop.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:30 PM (KZzsI)
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Whatever helps you sleep. In the real world no count ever had Gore ahead.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:29 PM (wGeit)
But he won The National Popular Vote(tm)!!!
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:29 PM (wGeit)
But he won The National Popular Vote(tm)!!!
Posted by: DocJ at November 18, 2019 04:30 PM (77WPm)
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Laura Bush used to come in my antique shop
Posted by: REDACTED at November 18, 2019
Was she a screamer or did she just lie there expecting you to do all the work?
Posted by: REDACTED at November 18, 2019
Was she a screamer or did she just lie there expecting you to do all the work?
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:30 PM (Zz0t1)
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You has people involved in Iraq, like Bremer, who had no business being there. They were not able to grasp the current dynamics and would blather on about the history of Iraq like the Sassanid Empire just ended. Complete assholes.
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Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2019 04:28 PM (zBaqJ)
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What is your opinion on late Billy Wilder?
The Fortune Cookie?
The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes?
The Front Page?
Just curious.
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What is your opinion on late Billy Wilder?
The Fortune Cookie?
The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes?
The Front Page?
Just curious.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 18, 2019 04:30 PM (q80AH)
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>> I saw INXS in concert at the height of their powers and they were damn good. Outstanding live band.
Guitarist was surprisingly adept. Really a great rhythm player.
Guitarist was surprisingly adept. Really a great rhythm player.
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:30 PM (0/eGj)
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I still have a cassette player and tons of mix tapes. Don't get out to listen to them much any longer, though.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:28 PM (KZzsI)
A few months ago, I found a box with cassette tapes that were programs from my TRS-80. I don't even want to ponder how many times that box has been moved without my ever going hey what's in this.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:28 PM (KZzsI)
A few months ago, I found a box with cassette tapes that were programs from my TRS-80. I don't even want to ponder how many times that box has been moved without my ever going hey what's in this.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 18, 2019 04:30 PM (mf5HN)
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The next tier, which was almost kissing, was turning around the headphone buds so that you could each listen to one bud, one in your ear, one in hers (his, watever).
Posted by: ace
It sets up the surprise anal rather nicely I think.
Posted by: monkey
Ahhhh. The fickle finger of fate.
Posted by: ace
It sets up the surprise anal rather nicely I think.
Posted by: monkey
Ahhhh. The fickle finger of fate.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 18, 2019 04:30 PM (pGfNT)
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You look cold, here's my coat. Let me drape that
around your shoulders. My arm should probably stay here to be sure it
doesn't fall off.
Posted by: TexasDan
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2009Refugee: "Mrs. Refugee, remember first time i put my arm around you? What were you thinking?"
Mrs. Refugee: "About time you made a move, dumbass"
Ah memories
around your shoulders. My arm should probably stay here to be sure it
doesn't fall off.
Posted by: TexasDan
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2009Refugee: "Mrs. Refugee, remember first time i put my arm around you? What were you thinking?"
Mrs. Refugee: "About time you made a move, dumbass"
Ah memories
Posted by: 2009Refugee at November 18, 2019 04:30 PM (DfC7R)
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323 INXS stopped at just the right time: they were getting better and better, and each album was more solid. Not like U2 or the Rolling Stones who keep putting out records even though no one listens to them any longer. Even Rush figured out eventually you should fold up shop.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:30 PM (KZzsI)
Well, Michael Hutchence choked himself to death in '97.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:30 PM (KZzsI)
Well, Michael Hutchence choked himself to death in '97.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2019 04:30 PM (zBaqJ)
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al gore did win the supreme court stopped the vote counting. As for the so called surge most of you don't know what worked was not more troops but bribing sunni tribal leaders to oppse the sergeancy. Money makes the world go round. You can't buy friends but you sure can rent them.
Posted by: raimondo at November 18, 2019 04:26 PM (cqgYu)
Yeah wrong on both counts, but nice try.
Posted by: raimondo at November 18, 2019 04:26 PM (cqgYu)
Yeah wrong on both counts, but nice try.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 18, 2019 04:30 PM (cEsBM)
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Retardo lives in his own world and his mom's basement,but mostly his mom's basement.
Posted by: steevy at November 18, 2019 04:30 PM (KNsKs)
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282 >>We have an empire. That's why we're involved in all this shit around the world.
Posted by: Someguy at November 18, 2019 04:14 PM (O+iVW)
An "empire"--at least in the sense of the Roman Ermpire, or the Ottoman, British, or French--doesn't just mean having a military base in a country; it means maintining control the government of that country by military force. Not sure that applies to America's presence in the Middle East.
Posted by: Caliban at November 18, 2019 04:23 PM (qEujL)
Obama kicked the president of Egypt out of office. Granted we did not maintain control of Iraq, but that was by choice. We most closely resemble the Romans, who also had networks of "friends and allies". They repeatedly had to intervene in Greece which is how they ended up staying.
Colonial empires are a very different sort of affair.
Posted by: Someguy at November 18, 2019 04:14 PM (O+iVW)
An "empire"--at least in the sense of the Roman Ermpire, or the Ottoman, British, or French--doesn't just mean having a military base in a country; it means maintining control the government of that country by military force. Not sure that applies to America's presence in the Middle East.
Posted by: Caliban at November 18, 2019 04:23 PM (qEujL)
Obama kicked the president of Egypt out of office. Granted we did not maintain control of Iraq, but that was by choice. We most closely resemble the Romans, who also had networks of "friends and allies". They repeatedly had to intervene in Greece which is how they ended up staying.
Colonial empires are a very different sort of affair.
Posted by: Someguy at November 18, 2019 04:31 PM (O+iVW)
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I still gotta throw Clinton in the mix, mediocre as he was he still gave
the Chicoms a 50 year advantage on almost everything. That alone is
swing-worthy.
That bastard destroyed my life by destroying my career when he signed the abortion that is NAFTA.
That serial rapist can die of the tertiary syphilis that turns your brain into a sea sponge gradually over the course of a couple of years. I want to piss on that rat bastard's grave so bad...
Have I mentioned my dislike for the "man" at all today?
the Chicoms a 50 year advantage on almost everything. That alone is
swing-worthy.
That bastard destroyed my life by destroying my career when he signed the abortion that is NAFTA.
That serial rapist can die of the tertiary syphilis that turns your brain into a sea sponge gradually over the course of a couple of years. I want to piss on that rat bastard's grave so bad...
Have I mentioned my dislike for the "man" at all today?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at November 18, 2019 04:31 PM (HaL55)
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323- so that's a vote for mandatory autoerotic asphyxiation at 35ish, then?
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 18, 2019 04:31 PM (87EdW)
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330 The next tier, which was almost kissing, was turning around the headphone buds so that you could each listen to one bud, one in your ear, one in hers (his, watever).
Posted by: ace
It sets up the surprise anal rather nicely I think.
Posted by: monkey
Ahhhh. The fickle finger of fate.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 18, 2019 04:30 PM (pGfNT)
"Moon River... you using the whole fist, doc?"
Posted by: ace
It sets up the surprise anal rather nicely I think.
Posted by: monkey
Ahhhh. The fickle finger of fate.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 18, 2019 04:30 PM (pGfNT)
"Moon River... you using the whole fist, doc?"
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2019 04:31 PM (zBaqJ)
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Whatever helps you sleep. In the real world no count ever had Gore ahead.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:29 PM (wGeit)
Actually raimondo is correct. If the Florida Demunists had been allowed to keep "Counting" defined as, creating new) votes, they *would* have won.
I think I am learning how to speak "Raimondese"
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:29 PM (wGeit)
Actually raimondo is correct. If the Florida Demunists had been allowed to keep "Counting" defined as, creating new) votes, they *would* have won.
I think I am learning how to speak "Raimondese"
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 04:31 PM (ujg0T)
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Scott Adams had interesting comments about war. Typically wars are fought to gain resources -- land, people, wealth, etc.
We haven't fought a war to gain anything since WWII.
We haven't fought a war to gain anything since WWII.
Posted by: Regular joe at November 18, 2019 04:31 PM (6/uwW)
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On the level of asserting global dominance, Iraq was a good lesson to other would be Islamo trash about what fate awaits you. I won't make excuses for the mistakes of W, Bremmer and various others during the occupation but to suddenly reach the conclusion that all is lost and every decision made over the course of that conflict misguided because MP Mustafa is getting bribes from Tehran today seems a bit of a stretch to me.
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at November 18, 2019 04:31 PM (BRpqW)
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>>I still have a cassette player and tons of mix tapes.
I only have a few mixes laying around but I have thousands of hours of bootlegs and quite a few working decks in the house.
I only have a few mixes laying around but I have thousands of hours of bootlegs and quite a few working decks in the house.
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:31 PM (0/eGj)
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INXS stopped at just the right time: they were getting better and better, and each album was more solid. Not like U2 or the Rolling Stones who keep putting out records even though no one listens to them any longer. Even Rush figured out eventually you should fold up shop.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:30 PM (KZzsI)
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I think in Rush's case, 40 years was enough, and they wanted to quit.
Clockwork Angels wasn't their best by any means, but it was good, and I'd have bought another new album by them...
Also, I think that because they were such a big touring act, that helped grind them down. Long time to be on the road.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:30 PM (KZzsI)
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I think in Rush's case, 40 years was enough, and they wanted to quit.
Clockwork Angels wasn't their best by any means, but it was good, and I'd have bought another new album by them...
Also, I think that because they were such a big touring act, that helped grind them down. Long time to be on the road.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2019 04:31 PM (AzW6q)
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323 INXS stopped at just the right time: they were getting better and better, and each album was more solid. Not like U2 or the Rolling Stones who keep putting out records even though no one listens to them any longer. Even Rush figured out eventually you should fold up shop.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:30 PM (KZzsI)
I don't know about the others, but the Stones still have a huge fan base. Wasn't their last tour the most lucrative of anyone ever?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:30 PM (KZzsI)
I don't know about the others, but the Stones still have a huge fan base. Wasn't their last tour the most lucrative of anyone ever?
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:31 PM (wGeit)
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INXS stopped at just the right time:
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:30 PM (KZzsI)
That's an interesting way to put "suicide" for sure.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:30 PM (KZzsI)
That's an interesting way to put "suicide" for sure.
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:32 PM (Zz0t1)
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I still have a cassette player and tons of mix tapes. Don't get out to listen to them much any longer, though.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:28 PM (KZzsI)
A few months ago, I found a box with cassette tapes that were programs from my TRS-80. I don't even want to ponder how many times that box has been moved without my ever going hey what's in this.
Posted by: alexthechick
Finally tossed the 8 track tapes a couple of years ago after I decided they weren't coming back.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:28 PM (KZzsI)
A few months ago, I found a box with cassette tapes that were programs from my TRS-80. I don't even want to ponder how many times that box has been moved without my ever going hey what's in this.
Posted by: alexthechick
Finally tossed the 8 track tapes a couple of years ago after I decided they weren't coming back.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 18, 2019 04:32 PM (pGfNT)
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Didn't the INXS singer jerk off and hang himself?
Posted by: monkey at November 18, 2019 04:32 PM (CLteG)
348
GW also started larger scale muslim immigration and the stupid fittar dinners or whatever that shit is called.
Posted by: steevy at November 18, 2019 04:32 PM (KNsKs)
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Posted by: Ted K. at November 18, 2019 04:28 PM (FJYfm)
Actually, by most accounts Syria was pretty safe for Christians until we tried to overthrow Assad.
Actually, by most accounts Syria was pretty safe for Christians until we tried to overthrow Assad.
Posted by: Don Quixote, Tilting at November 18, 2019 04:32 PM (NgKpN)
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346 Finally tossed the 8 track tapes a couple of years ago after I decided they weren't coming back.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 18, 2019 04:32 PM (pGfNT)
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"Breaking news. The 8 track is back."
Posted by: rickb223 at November 18, 2019 04:32 PM (pGfNT)
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"Breaking news. The 8 track is back."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 18, 2019 04:32 PM (q80AH)
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Was she a screamer or did she just lie there expecting you to do all the work?
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:30 PM (Zz0t1)
for some reason, she could get a word out of her mouth
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:30 PM (Zz0t1)
for some reason, she could get a word out of her mouth
Posted by: REDACTED at November 18, 2019 04:32 PM (rpxSz)
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350 346 Finally tossed the 8 track tapes a couple of years ago after I decided they weren't coming back.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 18, 2019 04:32 PM (pGfNT)
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"Breaking news. The 8 track is back."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 18, 2019 04:32 PM (q80AH)
Sound of zombie Rudee Vallee waiting patiently for 78s...
Posted by: rickb223 at November 18, 2019 04:32 PM (pGfNT)
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"Breaking news. The 8 track is back."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 18, 2019 04:32 PM (q80AH)
Sound of zombie Rudee Vallee waiting patiently for 78s...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2019 04:33 PM (zBaqJ)
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Laura Bush used to come in my antique shop
Posted by: REDACTED at November 18, 2019
Was she a screamer or did she just lie there expecting you to do all the work?
Posted by: Sponge
ISWYDT.
Posted by: REDACTED at November 18, 2019
Was she a screamer or did she just lie there expecting you to do all the work?
Posted by: Sponge
ISWYDT.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 18, 2019 04:33 PM (pGfNT)
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>>Sorry, there is no getting around the reality that the Iraq War was a rather large, rather expensive mistake.
Sure there is. The war was won under Bush and we were well on our way to wining the peace.
Obama made a campaign promise to pull out Iraq and everything went to shit including the rise of ISIS.
If we are going to make every decision based on the fact that a leftwing politician can come in after and fuck it up then we are never going to be right about anything.
Sure there is. The war was won under Bush and we were well on our way to wining the peace.
Obama made a campaign promise to pull out Iraq and everything went to shit including the rise of ISIS.
If we are going to make every decision based on the fact that a leftwing politician can come in after and fuck it up then we are never going to be right about anything.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 18, 2019 04:33 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 18, 2019 04:33 PM (aKsyK)
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I had thought our . or Bush's decision to go into Iraq was much about keeping Iran surrounded. Having known they would do this very thing
Posted by: willow at November 18, 2019 04:33 PM (9qMjk)
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Well, Michael Hutchence choked himself to death in '97.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2019 04:30 PM (zBaqJ)
He was going through a real bitter divorce where his wife was trying to deny him visitation to his daughter. He was a mess mentally.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 18, 2019 04:30 PM (zBaqJ)
He was going through a real bitter divorce where his wife was trying to deny him visitation to his daughter. He was a mess mentally.
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:34 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: rickb223 at November 18, 2019 04:34 PM (pGfNT)
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I think in Rush's case, 40 years was enough, and they wanted to quit.
Clockwork Angels wasn't their best by any means, but it was good, and I'd have bought another new album by them...
Also, I think that because they were such a big touring act, that helped grind them down. Long time to be on the road.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2019 04:31 PM (AzW6q)
After Signals they seemed to turn out music that was just kinda boring.
Clockwork Angels wasn't their best by any means, but it was good, and I'd have bought another new album by them...
Also, I think that because they were such a big touring act, that helped grind them down. Long time to be on the road.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2019 04:31 PM (AzW6q)
After Signals they seemed to turn out music that was just kinda boring.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:34 PM (wGeit)
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Never shared headphones, but did play Def Leppard in the underdash, aftermarket cassette deck while entertaining lady friends in the back seat of my 14 year old Pontiac Catalina.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 18, 2019 04:25 PM (87EdW)
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My best friend in HS early 80's had an old Olds Cutlass Supreme with an after market 8-track player and we had 2 8 tracks at our disposal - the worst of the 2 decent Loverboy albums and Foghat. Best memory was a long drive home with two very stuck up gals that turned hilarious when the horn started going off every time the steering wheel went left. The legend of The Goose was born.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 18, 2019 04:25 PM (87EdW)
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My best friend in HS early 80's had an old Olds Cutlass Supreme with an after market 8-track player and we had 2 8 tracks at our disposal - the worst of the 2 decent Loverboy albums and Foghat. Best memory was a long drive home with two very stuck up gals that turned hilarious when the horn started going off every time the steering wheel went left. The legend of The Goose was born.
Posted by: jhawk90 at November 18, 2019 04:34 PM (Xvo1a)
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Horde!!!
You want a laugh?
MSN home page has a headline that reads:
'Corey Booker has "hope" that he will marry Rosario Dawson.'
BWAHAHAHAHA!
You want a laugh?
MSN home page has a headline that reads:
'Corey Booker has "hope" that he will marry Rosario Dawson.'
BWAHAHAHAHA!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 18, 2019 04:34 PM (dkvcO)
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8 track is too going to come back!
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 18, 2019 04:34 PM (YslsA)
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Killing him was fine. The part we messed up was, as Derbyshire noted, in turning a perfectly reasonable exercise in gunboat diplomacy into a futile grind of nation building. Destroy Iraqi army, hang Hussein, leave.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:27 PM (wGeit)
and Iran moves in
not very smart policy
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:27 PM (wGeit)
and Iran moves in
not very smart policy
Posted by: Avi at November 18, 2019 04:35 PM (kSq2k)
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@323
Rush ended because Neil Peart was no longer up to the physicality of drumming even in recording sessions, and being that he was the primary lyricist the rest of the band had no choice but to hang them up.
Speaking of drummers, saw Tool this weekend...
All I will say is Danny Carey is freaking beast and the concert was incredible.
Rush ended because Neil Peart was no longer up to the physicality of drumming even in recording sessions, and being that he was the primary lyricist the rest of the band had no choice but to hang them up.
Speaking of drummers, saw Tool this weekend...
All I will say is Danny Carey is freaking beast and the concert was incredible.
Posted by: Huxley's Eyeglass Emporium at November 18, 2019 04:35 PM (43qa7)
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This works at a couple levels, and they take turns canceling each other out.
Iran and Iraq are the only two Shia-majority nations in the Islamic world. They have that religious kinship.
At the same time, Persians had a relatively decent civilization going when Arabs were still living in tents fucking goats. Persians think of Arabs the way the pre-'45 Japanese thought of Koreans. "They kinda look like us, but ain't, so they are miserable backwards fucks."
Then you had the Iran-Iraq War, which didn't help either.
So while the Iranians get a friendly reception with bribe money (you can't buy loyalty in the Middle East but you can RENT it), at another deep level they kinda hate each other.
Iran and Iraq are the only two Shia-majority nations in the Islamic world. They have that religious kinship.
At the same time, Persians had a relatively decent civilization going when Arabs were still living in tents fucking goats. Persians think of Arabs the way the pre-'45 Japanese thought of Koreans. "They kinda look like us, but ain't, so they are miserable backwards fucks."
Then you had the Iran-Iraq War, which didn't help either.
So while the Iranians get a friendly reception with bribe money (you can't buy loyalty in the Middle East but you can RENT it), at another deep level they kinda hate each other.
Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at November 18, 2019 04:35 PM (rGgyS)
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340 Scott Adams had interesting comments about war. Typically wars are fought to gain resources -- land, people, wealth, etc.
We haven't fought a war to gain anything since WWII.
Posted by: Regular joe at November 18, 2019 04:31 PM (6/uwW)
What did we gain in WW2?
or even WW1?
I think you would have to go back to the 1800s to find us waging War for resources or territory.
We keep taking it, and giving it back.
We haven't fought a war to gain anything since WWII.
Posted by: Regular joe at November 18, 2019 04:31 PM (6/uwW)
What did we gain in WW2?
or even WW1?
I think you would have to go back to the 1800s to find us waging War for resources or territory.
We keep taking it, and giving it back.
Posted by: Don Quixote, Tilting at November 18, 2019 04:35 PM (NgKpN)
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Are we going to re-fight the War of the Austrian Succession again?
Because I really think we should.
Because I really think we should.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Laments: Mimes, Why Did It Have To Be Mimes? at November 18, 2019 04:35 PM (L5Ypf)
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Jack Straw is correct as well. Obama was even worse than W.
Posted by: monkey at November 18, 2019 04:35 PM (CLteG)
Posted by: REDACTED at November 18, 2019 04:35 PM (rpxSz)
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Anyway I don't think we have to go all the way to bush to know Iraq was a fail after Obama's term
Posted by: willow at November 18, 2019 04:35 PM (4xuF/)
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From what I have read only Neal Peart really wanted to stop not Geddy and Alex.
Posted by: steevy at November 18, 2019 04:35 PM (KNsKs)
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We're the tallest midget.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 18, 2019 04:33 PM (aKsyK)
AHEM
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 18, 2019 04:33 PM (aKsyK)
AHEM
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 18, 2019 04:35 PM (mf5HN)
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DocJ: "...all while destabilizing an already unstable and dangerous region."
That part of the world is destined to remain unstable and dangerous for the rest of time. It would seem that's its purpose on Earth. Did US intervention make it better or worse? Who really knows, and I guess I'm at the point of not caring as much now as it's not the central issue to me and mine. The question is whether or not the region is a bigger threat to the US and, more directly, my neighborhood.
I don't think the region being more chaotic is necessarily a bad thing. It was chaotic before. It will be chaotic tomorrow. It will remain chaotic until the end of humanity. IOW chaos is its status quo. As long as they are denied WMD (nukes) by any and all means necessary, then it doesn't much matter what "the West" does. It's tragic. And it's an unsolvable region.
That part of the world is destined to remain unstable and dangerous for the rest of time. It would seem that's its purpose on Earth. Did US intervention make it better or worse? Who really knows, and I guess I'm at the point of not caring as much now as it's not the central issue to me and mine. The question is whether or not the region is a bigger threat to the US and, more directly, my neighborhood.
I don't think the region being more chaotic is necessarily a bad thing. It was chaotic before. It will be chaotic tomorrow. It will remain chaotic until the end of humanity. IOW chaos is its status quo. As long as they are denied WMD (nukes) by any and all means necessary, then it doesn't much matter what "the West" does. It's tragic. And it's an unsolvable region.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at November 18, 2019 04:35 PM (6eEQ+)
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The then ruling Ba'ath Party was headed by Saddam and was primarily Sunni. Ousting him inevitably led to the Shiites taking over in Iraq, and that of course guaranteed closer relations with Shiite Iran. With the Iraq population 40% Sunni/near 60% Shiite...
Not much rocket science in this'un.
Not much rocket science in this'un.
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 18, 2019 04:36 PM (Z4rgH)
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366 What did we gain in WW2?
or even WW1?
I think you would have to go back to the 1800s to find us waging War for resources or territory.
We keep taking it, and giving it back.
Posted by: Don Quixote, Tilting at November 18, 2019 04:35 PM (NgKpN)
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It feels like the last war the US fought for territory was the Mexican-American War.
or even WW1?
I think you would have to go back to the 1800s to find us waging War for resources or territory.
We keep taking it, and giving it back.
Posted by: Don Quixote, Tilting at November 18, 2019 04:35 PM (NgKpN)
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It feels like the last war the US fought for territory was the Mexican-American War.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 18, 2019 04:36 PM (q80AH)
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Isn't Foghat the "slow ride" band? Take it easy.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 18, 2019 04:36 PM (87EdW)
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After Signals they seemed to turn out music that was just kinda boring.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:34 PM (wGeit)
I give "Roll The Bones" credit for perhaps being the last "Concept" album, one built around a theme.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:34 PM (wGeit)
I give "Roll The Bones" credit for perhaps being the last "Concept" album, one built around a theme.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 04:36 PM (ujg0T)
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Keep my name out of it
Posted by: Warcock at November 18, 2019 04:36 PM (m/Gc2)
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Kissinger famously quipped of the Iran/Iraq War: "It's a shame they can't both lose". Instead, they both won. Iraq won when we got rid of Saddam, then Iran won Iraq when Obama took office.
Obama hoped to use the Free Syrian Army (ISIL-Lite) to hand Syria over to the Ayatollah as well.
I think he killed bin Laden to stop him from being questioned about the helpful role of Iran in 9/11.
Thankfully, President Trump pulled the plug and the young people are shaking loose the bonds of Obama/Ayatollah slavery.
Obama hoped to use the Free Syrian Army (ISIL-Lite) to hand Syria over to the Ayatollah as well.
I think he killed bin Laden to stop him from being questioned about the helpful role of Iran in 9/11.
Thankfully, President Trump pulled the plug and the young people are shaking loose the bonds of Obama/Ayatollah slavery.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at November 18, 2019 04:36 PM (Ndje9)
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:36 PM (0/eGj)
Posted by: DaveA at November 18, 2019 04:36 PM (FhXTo)
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WW2 we exchanged Nazi domination of Europe for Soviet partial domination
Posted by: steevy at November 18, 2019 04:36 PM (KNsKs)
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If we are going to make every decision based on the fact that a leftwing politician can come in after and fuck it up then we are never going to be right about anything.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 18, 2019 04:33 PM (ZLI7S)
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Right.
Which is why I urge people to avoid land wars of any kind... as long as we have the Democrat Party in America, we're fucked. Can't win. They'll ride to the rescue of our enemies, every single time, because it helps to undermine and harm this country.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 18, 2019 04:33 PM (ZLI7S)
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Right.
Which is why I urge people to avoid land wars of any kind... as long as we have the Democrat Party in America, we're fucked. Can't win. They'll ride to the rescue of our enemies, every single time, because it helps to undermine and harm this country.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2019 04:37 PM (AzW6q)
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When did I know that it was all over?
When they took Airwolf off the air. The country needed Jan-Michael Vincent and now he's gone forever.
When they took Airwolf off the air. The country needed Jan-Michael Vincent and now he's gone forever.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 18, 2019 04:37 PM (j3npP)
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We knew pre-2008, while Cheney was still talking about dead-enders and the news media was going all OrangeManBad, I mean, all ChimpyMcBusHitler!
Posted by: Harlock at November 18, 2019 04:37 PM (ZAMK+)
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>>I give "Roll The Bones" credit for perhaps being the last "Concept" album, one built around a theme.
You ever hear of the Flaming Lips or Radiohead, The Smashing Pumpkins or Mike Watt, Bob Mould...
(I could go on)
You ever hear of the Flaming Lips or Radiohead, The Smashing Pumpkins or Mike Watt, Bob Mould...
(I could go on)
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:37 PM (0/eGj)
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I don't think the region being more chaotic is
necessarily a bad thing. It was chaotic before. It will be chaotic
tomorrow. It will remain chaotic until the end of humanity. IOW chaos is
its status quo.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at November 18, 2019 04:35 PM (6eEQ+)
I just finished Dan Jones book about the Templars.
The area was chaotic then, too.
Imagine that.
necessarily a bad thing. It was chaotic before. It will be chaotic
tomorrow. It will remain chaotic until the end of humanity. IOW chaos is
its status quo.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at November 18, 2019 04:35 PM (6eEQ+)
I just finished Dan Jones book about the Templars.
The area was chaotic then, too.
Imagine that.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 18, 2019 04:38 PM (ufFY8)
388
Never shared headphones, but did play Def Leppard in the underdash, aftermarket cassette deck while entertaining lady friends in the back seat of my 14 year old Pontiac Catalina.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 18, 2019 04:25 PM (87EdW)
That's one big back seat, too.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 18, 2019 04:25 PM (87EdW)
That's one big back seat, too.
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:38 PM (Zz0t1)
389
363 Killing him was fine. The part we messed up was, as Derbyshire noted, in turning a perfectly reasonable exercise in gunboat diplomacy into a futile grind of nation building. Destroy Iraqi army, hang Hussein, leave.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:27 PM (wGeit)
and Iran moves in
not very smart policy
Posted by: Avi at November 18, 2019 04:35 PM (kSq2k)
So Iran bleeds people and cash instead of us. I don't see the downside.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:27 PM (wGeit)
and Iran moves in
not very smart policy
Posted by: Avi at November 18, 2019 04:35 PM (kSq2k)
So Iran bleeds people and cash instead of us. I don't see the downside.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:38 PM (wGeit)
390
Foghat is the Cowbell Band.
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:38 PM (0/eGj)
391
About Iran essentially owning Iraq now, i will say that there is a reason why these two countries went to war once before.
They will again.
They will again.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 18, 2019 04:38 PM (CqE5x)
392
Obama hoped to use the Free Syrian Army (ISIL-Lite) to hand Syria over to the Ayatollah as well.
I think he killed bin Laden to stop him from being questioned about the helpful role of Iran in 9/11.
Thankfully, President Trump pulled the plug and the young people are shaking loose the bonds of Obama/Ayatollah slavery.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at November 18, 2019 04:36 PM (Ndje9)
To be fair, didn't the Assad dynasty always have an "alliance of Convenience" with Iran? Certainly not in terms of ideology, but in terms of Realpolitik, in the sense that the Middle East wasn't big enough for two "Baath" parties.
I think he killed bin Laden to stop him from being questioned about the helpful role of Iran in 9/11.
Thankfully, President Trump pulled the plug and the young people are shaking loose the bonds of Obama/Ayatollah slavery.
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at November 18, 2019 04:36 PM (Ndje9)
To be fair, didn't the Assad dynasty always have an "alliance of Convenience" with Iran? Certainly not in terms of ideology, but in terms of Realpolitik, in the sense that the Middle East wasn't big enough for two "Baath" parties.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 04:38 PM (ujg0T)
393
Now let's discuss REM.
Posted by: TexasDan at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (yL25O)
394
"Whatever helps you sleep. In the real world no count ever had Gore ahead.
Posted by: Ace's liver"
Katherine Harris had a nice rack.
Posted by: Ace's liver"
Katherine Harris had a nice rack.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (OD2ni)
395
Gosh, what do the kids do to give their crush a mix tape these days? Spotify playlist? (The last time I thought about doing such a thing, it was going to be a Winamp MP3 playlist recorded to a cassette because I didn't have one of those new CD-R drives yet.)
Posted by: ptschett at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (32eGV)
396
I'd love to speak with a Marine or SEAL about this, but I always thought that the Battle of Fallujah was the turning point of the war, in the sense that we should have flattened the place when we had all the bad guys in one place. There would have been substantial collateral damage, but once we showed the other side that we valued our rules of engagement over killing the enemy when we had a chance, it opened the door to them waging a war of attrition against us, with the help of the media and Dems (BIRM).
Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (iuFgi)
397
I think Presto was Rush's last unambiguously decent album. Roll the Bones, I enjoyed at the time, I guess, except for the really bad pseudo-rap in the title track. Counterparts wasn't good and Test for Echo sounded like bad Christian rock. I gave up after that.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (H5knJ)
398
367
Are we going to re-fight the War of the Austrian Succession again?
Because I really think we should.
That was was for pansies. We need to refight the War of Jenkin's Ear. He still has one.
Are we going to re-fight the War of the Austrian Succession again?
Because I really think we should.
That was was for pansies. We need to refight the War of Jenkin's Ear. He still has one.
Posted by: pep at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (T6t7i)
399
I give "Roll The Bones" credit for perhaps being the last "Concept" album, one built around a theme.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 04:36 PM (ujg0T)
That album was not that good.
The rap in the middle of Roll the Bones was irritating.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 04:36 PM (ujg0T)
That album was not that good.
The rap in the middle of Roll the Bones was irritating.
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (Zz0t1)
400
393 Now let's discuss REM.
Posted by: TexasDan at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (yL25O)
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Why? It's the end of the world as we know it.
Posted by: TexasDan at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (yL25O)
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Why? It's the end of the world as we know it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (q80AH)
401
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at November 18, 2019 04:35 PM (6eEQ+)
It honestly seems that every time The West (broadly defined) sets foot in the ME we fuck it up even further. Almost like they take "things can't get any worse" as a challenge.
Any foreign policy initiative that relies for its success on an unbroken string of competent Commanders In Chief is patently ignorant of the state of politics in the USA in the 21st century.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at November 18, 2019 04:35 PM (6eEQ+)
It honestly seems that every time The West (broadly defined) sets foot in the ME we fuck it up even further. Almost like they take "things can't get any worse" as a challenge.
Any foreign policy initiative that relies for its success on an unbroken string of competent Commanders In Chief is patently ignorant of the state of politics in the USA in the 21st century.
Posted by: DocJ at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (77WPm)
402
Had a lear 8 track in one of my first cars
66 mustang conv, I think
my BIL was in the Navy and brought back a Sony reel to reel
It had an 8 track recording slot on the side, you could cut your own 8 tracks
1967-68
how cool was that ?
66 mustang conv, I think
my BIL was in the Navy and brought back a Sony reel to reel
It had an 8 track recording slot on the side, you could cut your own 8 tracks
1967-68
how cool was that ?
Posted by: REDACTED at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (rpxSz)
403
I just finished Dan Jones book about the Templars.
The area was chaotic then, too.
Imagine that.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 18, 2019 04:38 PM (ufFY
How was it?
I keep meaning to get one of his books.
The area was chaotic then, too.
Imagine that.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at November 18, 2019 04:38 PM (ufFY
How was it?
I keep meaning to get one of his books.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (CqE5x)
404
comment not found
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (q80AH)
Posted by: fIREHOSE at November 18, 2019 04:40 PM (0/eGj)
406
Now let's discuss REM.
Posted by: TexasDan at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (yL25O)
They suck.
Next?
Posted by: TexasDan at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (yL25O)
They suck.
Next?
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:40 PM (Zz0t1)
407
It feels like the last war the US fought for territory was the Mexican-American War.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 18, 2019 04:36 PM (q80AH)
...
Hey.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 18, 2019 04:36 PM (q80AH)
...
Hey.
Posted by: Grenada at November 18, 2019 04:40 PM (yL25O)
408
The biggest mistake we make when talking about the middle east is that it was ever stable. It has never been stable and it never will be.
It's dominate state is unstable, one spark away from war.
It's dominate state is unstable, one spark away from war.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 18, 2019 04:40 PM (ZLI7S)
409
Didn't the INXS singer jerk off and hang himself?
Posted by: monkey at November 18, 2019 04:32 PM (CLteG)
Not exactly.
He hung himself to enhance his jerking off.
Auto-erotic-auto-asphyxiation or some such thing.
Posted by: monkey at November 18, 2019 04:32 PM (CLteG)
Not exactly.
He hung himself to enhance his jerking off.
Auto-erotic-auto-asphyxiation or some such thing.
Posted by: naturalfake at November 18, 2019 04:40 PM (9X624)
410
As long as we have the Democrat Party in America, we're fucked. Can't win. They'll ride to the rescue of our enemies, every single time, because it helps to undermine and harm this country.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2019 04:37 PM (AzW6q)
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Democrats don't have foreign enemies; they only have domestic enemies -David Reaboi
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2019 04:37 PM (AzW6q)
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Democrats don't have foreign enemies; they only have domestic enemies -David Reaboi
Posted by: Harlock at November 18, 2019 04:40 PM (ZAMK+)
411
383- you guys are making the same point I made above. We can second guess our thoughts at the time, but I imagine most of us didn't temper them with the reality that we have countrymen willing to take any position to destroy us, regardless of the effect on the country, so long as they gain politically.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 18, 2019 04:40 PM (87EdW)
412
The rap in the middle of Roll the Bones was irritating.
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (Zz0t1)
You misspelled awful and stupid. Fitting though for perhaps Rush's worst offering in decades.
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (Zz0t1)
You misspelled awful and stupid. Fitting though for perhaps Rush's worst offering in decades.
Posted by: DocJ at November 18, 2019 04:40 PM (77WPm)
413
It had an 8 track recording slot on the side, you could cut your own 8 tracks
1967-68
how cool was that ?
Posted by: REDACTED at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (rpxSz)
I never knew that.
It had an 8 track recording slot on the side, you could cut your own 8 tracks
1967-68
how cool was that ?
Posted by: REDACTED at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (rpxSz)
I never knew that.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 18, 2019 04:40 PM (CqE5x)
414
They suck.
Next?
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:40 PM (Zz0t1)
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Yup sponge covered all the high points.
Next?
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:40 PM (Zz0t1)
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Yup sponge covered all the high points.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2019 04:40 PM (AzW6q)
415
To be fair, didn't the Assad dynasty always have an "alliance of Convenience" with Iran? Certainly not in terms of ideology, but in terms of Realpolitik, in the sense that the Middle East wasn't big enough for two "Baath" parties.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 04:38 PM (ujg0T)
The situation in the Middle East doesn't really boil down to two sides. Iran is really the only one that is deeply invested in opposing the US, everyone else is on their own side and teams up as necessary.
To be fair, didn't the Assad dynasty always have an "alliance of Convenience" with Iran? Certainly not in terms of ideology, but in terms of Realpolitik, in the sense that the Middle East wasn't big enough for two "Baath" parties.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 04:38 PM (ujg0T)
The situation in the Middle East doesn't really boil down to two sides. Iran is really the only one that is deeply invested in opposing the US, everyone else is on their own side and teams up as necessary.
Posted by: Someguy at November 18, 2019 04:40 PM (O+iVW)
416
Completely disagree, pretend Obama had been the nominee in 2004, he would have been crushed like Dukakis was crushed. It wouldn't have been just down to Ohio.
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Barky was the featured speaker at the 2004 Dem convention. He was on the Illinois US Senate ballot that fall, he had just defeated Bret Hull for the Dem nomination (by getting divorce records unsealed!), and by the convention had succeeded in getting Jack Ryan to withdraw from the R-nomination (by getting divorce records unsealed!).
Dems from coast to coast were in love with the man of mystery from Illinois. or Hawaii. or Kansas. or Indonesia. Or.....
The dems couldn't get Barky on the 2004 ballot, after all it was Kerry's "turn" but it was obvious to everyone except Cankles that he was their next presidential candidate.
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Barky was the featured speaker at the 2004 Dem convention. He was on the Illinois US Senate ballot that fall, he had just defeated Bret Hull for the Dem nomination (by getting divorce records unsealed!), and by the convention had succeeded in getting Jack Ryan to withdraw from the R-nomination (by getting divorce records unsealed!).
Dems from coast to coast were in love with the man of mystery from Illinois. or Hawaii. or Kansas. or Indonesia. Or.....
The dems couldn't get Barky on the 2004 ballot, after all it was Kerry's "turn" but it was obvious to everyone except Cankles that he was their next presidential candidate.
Posted by: Boots at November 18, 2019 04:41 PM (oGBso)
417
Katherine Harris had a nice rack.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (OD2ni)
Indeed she did!
https://tinyurl.com/wehcssj
Katherine Harris had a nice rack.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (OD2ni)
Indeed she did!
https://tinyurl.com/wehcssj
Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at November 18, 2019 04:41 PM (ufFY8)
418
404 comment not found
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (q80AH)
There is really no ownership of blog comments like this guy......
How's the kid?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (q80AH)
There is really no ownership of blog comments like this guy......
How's the kid?
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:41 PM (Zz0t1)
419
You ever hear of the Flaming Lips or Radiohead, The Smashing Pumpkins or Mike Watt, Bob Mould...
(I could go on)
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:37 PM (0/eGj)
OK, Smashing Pumpkins with "Mellon Collie" I will give you that one. The others? Not so much, although I have enjoyed Bob Mould's music since his Husker Du days.
(I could go on)
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:37 PM (0/eGj)
OK, Smashing Pumpkins with "Mellon Collie" I will give you that one. The others? Not so much, although I have enjoyed Bob Mould's music since his Husker Du days.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 04:41 PM (ujg0T)
420
It's great how the horde covers all topics including surprise anal in every thread.
Posted by: steevy at November 18, 2019 04:41 PM (KNsKs)
421
It feels like the last war the US fought for territory was the Mexican-American War.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Well the Spanish American war did get us Cuba and the Philippines
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Well the Spanish American war did get us Cuba and the Philippines
Posted by: Boswell at November 18, 2019 04:41 PM (32YRo)
422
I thought cowbell was blue oyster cult.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 18, 2019 04:42 PM (87EdW)
423
OK, Smashing Pumpkins with "Mellon Collie" I will give you that one. The others? Not so much, although I have enjoyed Bob Mould's music since his Husker Du days.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 04:41 PM (ujg0T)
Mould's Workbook was the best album that came out the year it was released.
OK, Smashing Pumpkins with "Mellon Collie" I will give you that one. The others? Not so much, although I have enjoyed Bob Mould's music since his Husker Du days.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 04:41 PM (ujg0T)
Mould's Workbook was the best album that came out the year it was released.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 18, 2019 04:42 PM (CqE5x)
424
The "but it was their money, Obama just gave it back" argument pisses me off to no extent.
That money belonged to the legitimate government of Iran. Iran does not have a legitimate government, so it was being held in trust until they did.
Obama basically robbed Iran's future and gave a fortune to their oppressors.
That money belonged to the legitimate government of Iran. Iran does not have a legitimate government, so it was being held in trust until they did.
Obama basically robbed Iran's future and gave a fortune to their oppressors.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at November 18, 2019 04:42 PM (J+mig)
425
I remember coming across a mix tape that my friend made for his girlfriend. The Best of Bread. Sappy over emotional spoken tributes that he made to his girlfriend are STILL seared into my memory banks even 40 years later. It will never not be funny to me.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 18, 2019 04:42 PM (flINI)
426
418
How's the kid?
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:41 PM (Zz0t1)
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17 days old and exhausting.
I've decided to stay up until 1 to give him the final feeding of the night, Dolley some sleep, and me leverage to sleep from then until it's time for work.
I've fallen out of practice of this whole staying up late thing. I'm gonna have to change things up. I'm thinking coffee at about 9.
How's the kid?
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:41 PM (Zz0t1)
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17 days old and exhausting.
I've decided to stay up until 1 to give him the final feeding of the night, Dolley some sleep, and me leverage to sleep from then until it's time for work.
I've fallen out of practice of this whole staying up late thing. I'm gonna have to change things up. I'm thinking coffee at about 9.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 18, 2019 04:42 PM (q80AH)
427
Gosh, what do the kids do to give their crush a mix tape these days? Spotify playlist? (The last time I thought about doing such a thing, it was going to be a Winamp MP3 playlist recorded to a cassette because I didn't have one of those new CD-R drives yet.)
Posted by: ptschett at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (32eGV)
Yup, sending links to playlists apparently.
Posted by: ptschett at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (32eGV)
Yup, sending links to playlists apparently.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 18, 2019 04:42 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: REDACTED at November 18, 2019 04:42 PM (rpxSz)
429
To be fair, didn't the Assad dynasty always have an "alliance of Convenience" with Iran? Certainly not in terms of ideology, but in terms of Realpolitik, in the sense that the Middle East wasn't big enough for two "Baath" parties.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 04:38 PM (ujg0T)
Religion was a big part of it. The Alawites who run Syria are a Shiite sect in a country mostly full of Sunnis. The entire Syrian conflict is a proxy war between the Shiites, led by Iran, and the Sunnis, led by KSA.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 04:38 PM (ujg0T)
Religion was a big part of it. The Alawites who run Syria are a Shiite sect in a country mostly full of Sunnis. The entire Syrian conflict is a proxy war between the Shiites, led by Iran, and the Sunnis, led by KSA.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:42 PM (wGeit)
430
If you like Concept Rock check Contemplating The Engine Room by Mike Watt.
Helps to know his family and band backstories. But it's a killer Concept LP.
Helps to know his family and band backstories. But it's a killer Concept LP.
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:42 PM (0/eGj)
Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at November 18, 2019 04:43 PM (ufFY8)
432
"Sorry, there is no getting around the reality that the Iraq War was a rather large, rather expensive mistake. "
Wrong.
It was execution by the political branch that largely turned it into a shit show.
Wrong.
It was execution by the political branch that largely turned it into a shit show.
Posted by: Hesco Gypsy at November 18, 2019 04:43 PM (F73W5)
433
415 Hamas is also strongly anti-US; but in their case it's likely more performative than real. Iran is a fortress-state and its behavior here makes sense-- it has a strong defensive position but needs to control a lot of the gulf area to maintain that.
Posted by: Radio Control Submarine Unit at November 18, 2019 04:43 PM (Eg9+v)
434
"Now let's discuss REM.
Posted by: TexasDan at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (yL25O)"
I waited on Michael Stipe back in the day once. I was expecting him to be a pain in the ass, but he was friendly, easygoing and a good tipper.
Posted by: TexasDan at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (yL25O)"
I waited on Michael Stipe back in the day once. I was expecting him to be a pain in the ass, but he was friendly, easygoing and a good tipper.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 04:43 PM (OD2ni)
435
You misspelled awful and stupid. Fitting though for perhaps Rush's worst offering in decades.
Posted by: DocJ at November 18, 2019 04:40 PM (77WPm)
I felt bad for thinking that because Rush was such an influential band. That album was like they were like Journey and replaced all the band members and still called it Rush.
You misspelled awful and stupid. Fitting though for perhaps Rush's worst offering in decades.
Posted by: DocJ at November 18, 2019 04:40 PM (77WPm)
I felt bad for thinking that because Rush was such an influential band. That album was like they were like Journey and replaced all the band members and still called it Rush.
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:43 PM (Zz0t1)
436
407
It feels like the last war the US fought for territory was the Mexican-American War.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 18, 2019 04:36 PM (q80AH)
...
Hey.
Posted by: Grenada at November 18, 2019 04:40 PM (yL25O)
Seriously?
It feels like the last war the US fought for territory was the Mexican-American War.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 18, 2019 04:36 PM (q80AH)
...
Hey.
Posted by: Grenada at November 18, 2019 04:40 PM (yL25O)
Seriously?
Posted by: Sitting Bull at November 18, 2019 04:43 PM (L5Ypf)
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:43 PM (0/eGj)
438
After Signals they seemed to turn out music that was just kinda boring.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:34 PM (wGeit)
The problem with Rush is that they went way overboard with layering the sounds. Too overproduced. The last album of theirs I bought was Counterparts (that was the last show of theirs I saw as well) and while it's good I missed the keyboards (not necessarily the 1980s synths but the 1970s keyboard work).
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:34 PM (wGeit)
The problem with Rush is that they went way overboard with layering the sounds. Too overproduced. The last album of theirs I bought was Counterparts (that was the last show of theirs I saw as well) and while it's good I missed the keyboards (not necessarily the 1980s synths but the 1970s keyboard work).
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 18, 2019 04:43 PM (j3npP)
439
Threads like this is akin to fighting a land war in Asia.
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 18, 2019 04:43 PM (xy+sY)
440
Well, Michael Hutchence choked himself to death in '97.
Yeah if he'd not been an idiot and killed himself they probably would have gone on making albums and slouched off into meh like the other bands. It seems like every musician just has only so many great songs in them then they are done.
Yeah if he'd not been an idiot and killed himself they probably would have gone on making albums and slouched off into meh like the other bands. It seems like every musician just has only so many great songs in them then they are done.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:43 PM (KZzsI)
441
I waited on Michael Stipe back in the day once. I was expecting him to be a pain in the ass, but he was friendly, easygoing and a good tipper.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 04:43 PM (OD2ni)
Did he offer you a handy in the alley afterwards?
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 04:43 PM (OD2ni)
Did he offer you a handy in the alley afterwards?
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:43 PM (Zz0t1)
442
After Signals they seemed to turn out music that was just kinda boring.
Strong disagree. I enjoy every one of their records, although Caress of Steel is tedious and Test For Echo has lyrics so bad that God killed Peart's family.
Strong disagree. I enjoy every one of their records, although Caress of Steel is tedious and Test For Echo has lyrics so bad that God killed Peart's family.
Posted by: Ian S. at November 18, 2019 04:44 PM (ZGrMX)
443
399 I give "Roll The Bones" credit for perhaps being the last "Concept" album, one built around a theme.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 04:36 PM (ujg0T)
That album was not that good.
The rap in the middle of Roll the Bones was irritating.
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (Zz0t1)
Oh yes, the rap was silly. What I meant was that there was a unifying theme to the songs, about going out and taking your chances in a hostile world, from "DreamLine", (being only immortal for a limited time), to "You Bet Your Life".
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 04:36 PM (ujg0T)
That album was not that good.
The rap in the middle of Roll the Bones was irritating.
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (Zz0t1)
Oh yes, the rap was silly. What I meant was that there was a unifying theme to the songs, about going out and taking your chances in a hostile world, from "DreamLine", (being only immortal for a limited time), to "You Bet Your Life".
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 04:44 PM (ujg0T)
444
424 The "but it was their money, Obama just gave it back" argument pisses me off to no extent.
That money belonged to the legitimate government of Iran. Iran does not have a legitimate government, so it was being held in trust until they did.
Obama basically robbed Iran's future and gave a fortune to their oppressors.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at November 18, 2019 04:42 PM (J+mig)
On what basis have you decided the Iranian government isn't legitimate? They've been in power for 40 years now.
That money belonged to the legitimate government of Iran. Iran does not have a legitimate government, so it was being held in trust until they did.
Obama basically robbed Iran's future and gave a fortune to their oppressors.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at November 18, 2019 04:42 PM (J+mig)
On what basis have you decided the Iranian government isn't legitimate? They've been in power for 40 years now.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:44 PM (wGeit)
445
Stipe's a lame-o. What a fairy.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2019 04:44 PM (ipv3c)
446
Now let's discuss REM.
Posted by: TexasDan at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (yL25O)
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Don't Go Back To Rockville puts me right back in my '71 VW bug, driving home from Gainesville for the last time after a shitty freshman year in '85.
Posted by: TexasDan at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (yL25O)
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Don't Go Back To Rockville puts me right back in my '71 VW bug, driving home from Gainesville for the last time after a shitty freshman year in '85.
Posted by: jhawk90 at November 18, 2019 04:44 PM (Xvo1a)
447
Well the Spanish American war did get us Cuba and the Philippines
Posted by: Boswell at November 18, 2019 04:41 PM (32YRo)
We should have kept them and spun off Puerto Rico instead.
Posted by: Boswell at November 18, 2019 04:41 PM (32YRo)
We should have kept them and spun off Puerto Rico instead.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at November 18, 2019 04:44 PM (J+mig)
448
17 days old and exhausting.
I've decided to stay up until 1 to give him the final feeding of the night, Dolley some sleep, and me leverage to sleep from then until it's time for work.
I've fallen out of practice of this whole staying up late thing. I'm gonna have to change things up. I'm thinking coffee at about 9.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 18, 2019 04:42 PM (q80AH)
Ah yes. The good ole days.
I've decided to stay up until 1 to give him the final feeding of the night, Dolley some sleep, and me leverage to sleep from then until it's time for work.
I've fallen out of practice of this whole staying up late thing. I'm gonna have to change things up. I'm thinking coffee at about 9.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 18, 2019 04:42 PM (q80AH)
Ah yes. The good ole days.
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:44 PM (Zz0t1)
449
>>Not so much, although I have enjoyed Bob Mould's music since his Husker Du days
Mould's last or penultimate LP was a concept album.
Radiohead has done more than one. As have the Lips..
Mould's last or penultimate LP was a concept album.
Radiohead has done more than one. As have the Lips..
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:45 PM (0/eGj)
450
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 18, 2019 04:42 PM (q80AH)
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Can't you just leave bowls of food and water out like you do for a cat?
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Can't you just leave bowls of food and water out like you do for a cat?
Posted by: Weasel at November 18, 2019 04:45 PM (MVjcR)
451
It honestly seems that every time The West (broadly defined) sets foot in the ME we fuck it up even further. Almost like they take "things can't get any worse" as a challenge.
Any foreign policy initiative that relies for its success on an unbroken string of competent Commanders In Chief is patently ignorant of the state of politics in the USA in the 21st century.
Posted by: DocJ at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (77WPm)
Yup, knowing that the ME can't feed itself, and that its ONLY real power comes from oil?
Frack, EU, FRACK!
Take the power of oil away? Which takes their international currency away?
Let them fight over the sand.
Any foreign policy initiative that relies for its success on an unbroken string of competent Commanders In Chief is patently ignorant of the state of politics in the USA in the 21st century.
Posted by: DocJ at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (77WPm)
Yup, knowing that the ME can't feed itself, and that its ONLY real power comes from oil?
Frack, EU, FRACK!
Take the power of oil away? Which takes their international currency away?
Let them fight over the sand.
Posted by: Don Quixote, Tilting at November 18, 2019 04:45 PM (NgKpN)
452
On what basis have you decided the Iranian government isn't legitimate? They've been in power for 40 years now.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:44 PM (wGeit)
He means the Shah's government. We were given that money by one guy and then gave it to the people who overthrew him.
On what basis have you decided the Iranian government isn't legitimate? They've been in power for 40 years now.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:44 PM (wGeit)
He means the Shah's government. We were given that money by one guy and then gave it to the people who overthrew him.
Posted by: Someguy at November 18, 2019 04:45 PM (O+iVW)
453
On what basis have you decided the Iranian government isn't legitimate? They've been in power for 40 years now.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:44 PM (wGeit)
So if a criminal gang rules you for 40 years, it's now legitimate, because time is all that counts?
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:44 PM (wGeit)
So if a criminal gang rules you for 40 years, it's now legitimate, because time is all that counts?
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at November 18, 2019 04:45 PM (J+mig)
454
Isn't Foghat the "slow ride" band? Take it easy.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 18, 2019 04:36 PM (87EdW)
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Fool For The City?
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 18, 2019 04:36 PM (87EdW)
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Fool For The City?
Posted by: Boots at November 18, 2019 04:45 PM (oGBso)
455
It seems like every musician just has only so many great songs in them then they are done.
In Bruce Springsteen's case, that number is zero.
In Bruce Springsteen's case, that number is zero.
Posted by: pep at November 18, 2019 04:45 PM (T6t7i)
456
> At what point in time did you realize that you had been had by the GOPee Bushyrovie types?
Shortly after Bush I took office. Yes, Bush I, not Bush II.
That said, I continued to vote for them right up through Fuckstain McCain. Romney? Nope. Didn't vote for him.
I mean, I might have if the outcome of the state I was in had been in question, but since it wasn't a swing state, I didn't. And I won't.
No more Romneys. No more Bushes. No more Paul Motherfucking Ryans.
Shortly after Bush I took office. Yes, Bush I, not Bush II.
That said, I continued to vote for them right up through Fuckstain McCain. Romney? Nope. Didn't vote for him.
I mean, I might have if the outcome of the state I was in had been in question, but since it wasn't a swing state, I didn't. And I won't.
No more Romneys. No more Bushes. No more Paul Motherfucking Ryans.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 18, 2019 04:46 PM (oQp6r)
457
ELP > Rush
Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at November 18, 2019 04:46 PM (HaL55)
458
Anal is not all it's cracked up to be.
Posted by: squirrelly dan at November 18, 2019 04:46 PM (sU5UX)
459
Now let's discuss REM.
Posted by: TexasDan at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (yL25O)"
I waited on Michael Stipe back in the day once. I was expecting him to be a pain in the ass, but he was friendly, easygoing and a good tipper.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 04:43 PM (OD2ni)
I'm not going to lie. I loved REM. They put out a string of great albums. Saw them live at the Capitol Theater in Passaic, NJ twice in '84.
Yeah, Stipe is a flaming Lefty.
Posted by: TexasDan at November 18, 2019 04:39 PM (yL25O)"
I waited on Michael Stipe back in the day once. I was expecting him to be a pain in the ass, but he was friendly, easygoing and a good tipper.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 04:43 PM (OD2ni)
I'm not going to lie. I loved REM. They put out a string of great albums. Saw them live at the Capitol Theater in Passaic, NJ twice in '84.
Yeah, Stipe is a flaming Lefty.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 18, 2019 04:46 PM (CqE5x)
460
Head of Ukraine's Export-Import bank was arrested over the weekend for, wait for it, money laundering.
https://tinyurl.com/ut2w2z5
https://tinyurl.com/ut2w2z5
Posted by: JackStraw at November 18, 2019 04:46 PM (ZLI7S)
461
447
Well the Spanish American war did get us Cuba and the Philippines
Posted by: Boswell at November 18, 2019 04:41 PM (32YRo)
We should have kept them and spun off Puerto Rico instead.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at November 18, 2019 04:44 PM (J+mig)
Pick up another place with an ongoing insurrection? Pass.
Well the Spanish American war did get us Cuba and the Philippines
Posted by: Boswell at November 18, 2019 04:41 PM (32YRo)
We should have kept them and spun off Puerto Rico instead.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at November 18, 2019 04:44 PM (J+mig)
Pick up another place with an ongoing insurrection? Pass.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Laments: Mimes, Why Did It Have To Be Mimes? at November 18, 2019 04:46 PM (L5Ypf)
462
"I waited on Michael Stipe back in the day once. I was expecting him to be a pain in the ass, but he was friendly, easygoing and a good tipper.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 04:43 PM (OD2ni)
Did he offer you a handy in the alley afterwards?
Posted by: Sponge"
LOL no. I guess I was not his type. He was there with Kate Pearson from the B-52s who was a regular at the place I worked. Unless Stipe, she was a huge pain in the ass.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 04:43 PM (OD2ni)
Did he offer you a handy in the alley afterwards?
Posted by: Sponge"
LOL no. I guess I was not his type. He was there with Kate Pearson from the B-52s who was a regular at the place I worked. Unless Stipe, she was a huge pain in the ass.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 04:47 PM (OD2ni)
463
Supreme Court blocks House subpoena of Trump financial records
The Supreme Court has issued a temporary stay of an appeals court ruling that granted House Democrats access to President Trump's financial records, Chief Justice John Roberts announced Monday.
Trump's lawyers had appealed the ruling, which was set to go into effect Wednesday.
The subpoena from the House Oversight and Reform Committee will be unenforceable while the Supreme Court decides whether to take up the case. The panel is seeking eight years of Trump's financial records from his accounting firm.
...screw the dems
The Supreme Court has issued a temporary stay of an appeals court ruling that granted House Democrats access to President Trump's financial records, Chief Justice John Roberts announced Monday.
Trump's lawyers had appealed the ruling, which was set to go into effect Wednesday.
The subpoena from the House Oversight and Reform Committee will be unenforceable while the Supreme Court decides whether to take up the case. The panel is seeking eight years of Trump's financial records from his accounting firm.
...screw the dems
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 18, 2019 04:47 PM (vEIlU)
464
Everybody Hurts is about my nads whenever I hear REM.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2019 04:47 PM (AzW6q)
465
On what basis have you decided the Iranian government isn't legitimate? They've been in power for 40 years now.
Posted by: Ace's liver
The fact that it was a violent coup and dictatorship?
Posted by: Ace's liver
The fact that it was a violent coup and dictatorship?
Posted by: rickb223 at November 18, 2019 04:48 PM (MjyI6)
466
In Bruce Springsteen's case, that number is zero.
Posted by: pep at November 18, 2019 04:45 PM (T6t7i)
That being said, Rage Against the Machine's version of The Ghost of Tom Joad was pretty darn good.
Posted by: pep at November 18, 2019 04:45 PM (T6t7i)
That being said, Rage Against the Machine's version of The Ghost of Tom Joad was pretty darn good.
Posted by: Sponge at November 18, 2019 04:48 PM (Zz0t1)
467
Rolling Stones is still putting out okay stuff, its RS and sounds nice enough, but they don't have that hook, there's nothing interesting and remarkable. Its just more of the same. Rush got the same way: ok yeah its not bad but its just... none of this even make the cut back when you were putting out stuff like Moving Pictures.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:48 PM (KZzsI)
468
It seems like every musician just has only so many great songs in them then they are done.
In Bruce Springsteen's case, that number is zero.
Posted by: pep at November 18, 2019 04:45 PM (T6t7i)
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Candy's Room and Racing in the Streets I still like, the rest just faded away.
In Bruce Springsteen's case, that number is zero.
Posted by: pep at November 18, 2019 04:45 PM (T6t7i)
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Candy's Room and Racing in the Streets I still like, the rest just faded away.
Posted by: jhawk90 at November 18, 2019 04:48 PM (Xvo1a)
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:48 PM (0/eGj)
470
It seems like every musician just has only so many great songs in them then they are done.
In Bruce Springsteen's case, that number is zero.
Posted by: pep at November 18, 2019 04:45 PM (T6t7i)
Same is true of authors. You may grow comfortable with their style, but most only have 1 or 2 good stories in them.
In Bruce Springsteen's case, that number is zero.
Posted by: pep at November 18, 2019 04:45 PM (T6t7i)
Same is true of authors. You may grow comfortable with their style, but most only have 1 or 2 good stories in them.
Posted by: Ted K. at November 18, 2019 04:49 PM (FJYfm)
471
ELP > Rush
Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at November 18, 2019 04:46 PM (HaL55)
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I'm guessing you meant to type ELO, and I like them, but I can't go that far.
ELP > Rush
Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at November 18, 2019 04:46 PM (HaL55)
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I'm guessing you meant to type ELO, and I like them, but I can't go that far.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2019 04:49 PM (AzW6q)
472
Oh yes, the rap was silly. What I meant was that there was a unifying theme to the songs, about going out and taking your chances in a hostile world, from "DreamLine", (being only immortal for a limited time), to "You Bet Your Life".
Most of "Counterparts" was about dualities (particularly male vs. female); about 3 tracks and the instrumental weren't.
And the rap is a fantastic concert sing-along.
Most of "Counterparts" was about dualities (particularly male vs. female); about 3 tracks and the instrumental weren't.
And the rap is a fantastic concert sing-along.
Posted by: Ian S. at November 18, 2019 04:49 PM (ZGrMX)
473
> Well the Spanish American war did get us Cuba and the Philippines
We got the Canal Zone about that time, too, yes?
All of which we gave away.
I still believe that we will someday deeply regret giving away the Canal Zone.
We got the Canal Zone about that time, too, yes?
All of which we gave away.
I still believe that we will someday deeply regret giving away the Canal Zone.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 18, 2019 04:49 PM (oQp6r)
474
I wonder if Michael Hutchence was listening to the Divynals at the end.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 18, 2019 04:49 PM (87EdW)
475
Emerson Lake and Palmer > Jeff Lynne's ELO
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:49 PM (0/eGj)
476
Same is true of authors. You may grow comfortable with their style, but most only have 1 or 2 good stories in them.
At the risk of being a Johnny One-Note, Melville wrote a lot of really good stuff besides MD.
Same is true of authors. You may grow comfortable with their style, but most only have 1 or 2 good stories in them.
At the risk of being a Johnny One-Note, Melville wrote a lot of really good stuff besides MD.
Posted by: pep at November 18, 2019 04:49 PM (T6t7i)
477
> I'm guessing you meant to type ELO, and I like them, but I can't go that far.
I think he meant Emerson, Lake, and Palmer.
I think he meant Emerson, Lake, and Palmer.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 18, 2019 04:50 PM (oQp6r)
478
I am exited to see that Chick-Fil-A has dumped the Salvation Army. Now the LGBT-EIEIO crowd will forgive and forget all this past nonsense and embrace CFA like a Lucky Pierre.
That's how this all works right?
Denounce your friends, accept 2nd class status, and take your continuous beatings until Green Leftist Vegan Furry Utopia arrives?
That's how this all works right?
Denounce your friends, accept 2nd class status, and take your continuous beatings until Green Leftist Vegan Furry Utopia arrives?
Posted by: Downcast at November 18, 2019 04:50 PM (GODOq)
479
Now, now.
REM is one of those good pick and choose bands.
Would never buy an album but every album had at least one or two good songs.
But all the love for Rush....Yeeesh! no thank you.
Boring prog-lite music topped by a screaming squirrel singer.
Just ugh.
REM is one of those good pick and choose bands.
Would never buy an album but every album had at least one or two good songs.
But all the love for Rush....Yeeesh! no thank you.
Boring prog-lite music topped by a screaming squirrel singer.
Just ugh.
Posted by: naturalfake at November 18, 2019 04:50 PM (9X624)
480
453 On what basis have you decided the Iranian government isn't legitimate? They've been in power for 40 years now.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:44 PM (wGeit)
So if a criminal gang rules you for 40 years, it's now legitimate, because time is all that counts?
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at November 18, 2019 04:45 PM (J+mig)
Name me a government that isn't a criminal gang. The current government in Iran isn't any less legitimate than that of the Shah's, who had himself taken power in a coup.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:44 PM (wGeit)
So if a criminal gang rules you for 40 years, it's now legitimate, because time is all that counts?
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at November 18, 2019 04:45 PM (J+mig)
Name me a government that isn't a criminal gang. The current government in Iran isn't any less legitimate than that of the Shah's, who had himself taken power in a coup.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:50 PM (wGeit)
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2019 04:50 PM (AzW6q)
482
445 Stipe's a lame-o. What a fairy.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2019 04:44 PM (ipv3c)
Well, so is Bob Mould. Artsy people are, well, bent. It comes with the territory?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 18, 2019 04:44 PM (ipv3c)
Well, so is Bob Mould. Artsy people are, well, bent. It comes with the territory?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 18, 2019 04:50 PM (ujg0T)
483
Ah, Chick-Fil-A. We hardly knew ye.
Ah, Chick-Fil-A. We hardly knew ye.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 18, 2019 04:50 PM (vEIlU)
484
Same is true of authors. You may grow comfortable with their style, but most only have 1 or 2 good stories in them.
- - - -
Although I don't disagree in a general sense, Brandon Sanderson puts that statement to shame.
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Although I don't disagree in a general sense, Brandon Sanderson puts that statement to shame.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at November 18, 2019 04:50 PM (ayFCE)
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 18, 2019 04:50 PM (xy+sY)
486
Now imagine the world barry was trying to create, where the US was unable to drill it's own oil and we were dependent on the M.E. for oil.
The only thing that saved us from total disaster was inprovments in drilling technology and barry being unable to achieve his stated goals.
The only thing that saved us from total disaster was inprovments in drilling technology and barry being unable to achieve his stated goals.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at November 18, 2019 04:50 PM (LWu6U)
487
475 Emerson Lake and Palmer > Jeff Lynne's ELO
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:49 PM (0/eGj)
by a mile
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:49 PM (0/eGj)
by a mile
Posted by: REDACTED at November 18, 2019 04:51 PM (rpxSz)
488
"In Bruce Springsteen's case, that number is zero.
Posted by: pep at November 18, 2019 04:45 PM (T6t7i)"
I like the video for Tunnel of Love if only for the shot of the casino on the boardwalk between Asbury Park and Ocean Grove. Fond memories when that was open as a kid. I think I had the high score on Punch Out for about three hours in 1984. Also shows up in The Wrestler
Posted by: pep at November 18, 2019 04:45 PM (T6t7i)"
I like the video for Tunnel of Love if only for the shot of the casino on the boardwalk between Asbury Park and Ocean Grove. Fond memories when that was open as a kid. I think I had the high score on Punch Out for about three hours in 1984. Also shows up in The Wrestler
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 04:51 PM (OD2ni)
489
But all the love for Rush....Yeeesh! no thank you.
Boring prog-lite music topped by a screaming squirrel singer.
Just ugh.
Posted by: naturalfake at November 18, 2019 04:50 PM (9X624)
I like about TWO Rush songs, that's it.
One is Subdivisions
Boring prog-lite music topped by a screaming squirrel singer.
Just ugh.
Posted by: naturalfake at November 18, 2019 04:50 PM (9X624)
I like about TWO Rush songs, that's it.
One is Subdivisions
Posted by: JoeF. at November 18, 2019 04:51 PM (CqE5x)
490
Nood.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at November 18, 2019 04:51 PM (ayFCE)
491
I'm guessing you meant to type ELO, and I like them, but I can't go that far.
Them, too. Never got the appeal of Rush. Or BS, The NJ Stage Hog either.
Them, too. Never got the appeal of Rush. Or BS, The NJ Stage Hog either.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at November 18, 2019 04:51 PM (HaL55)
492
473 > Well the Spanish American war did get us Cuba and the Philippines
We got the Canal Zone about that time, too, yes?
All of which we gave away.
I still believe that we will someday deeply regret giving away the Canal Zone.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 18, 2019 04:49 PM (oQp6r)
Maybe. Last I heard Columbia was building a canal to compete with Panama. I don't know what the status of the project is, though.
We got the Canal Zone about that time, too, yes?
All of which we gave away.
I still believe that we will someday deeply regret giving away the Canal Zone.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 18, 2019 04:49 PM (oQp6r)
Maybe. Last I heard Columbia was building a canal to compete with Panama. I don't know what the status of the project is, though.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:51 PM (wGeit)
493
Lessee, it was Bush I'd fault for not finishing the job, Bush II's fault for not anticipating Iran's intervention, and Trump's fault for Orange Man Bad. Did we leave any Presidents out? Anyone? Bueller?
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at November 18, 2019 04:52 PM (ne+zP)
494
I'm not going to lie. I loved REM. They put out a string of great albums. Saw them live at the Capitol Theater in Passaic, NJ twice in '84.
Yeah I liked REM. Idiots, but talented, entertaining idiots. Like XTC.
Foghat is awesome, I guess people forgot about them. Great band and Rod Price was an amazing guitarist. Check this out:
https://youtu.be/EKMSyQ-0qZ8
They did a lot of blues and other covers (usually way better than the original) and some terrific pop stuff. Lost their way in the 80s when they drifted away from blues/boogie woogie.
Yeah I liked REM. Idiots, but talented, entertaining idiots. Like XTC.
Foghat is awesome, I guess people forgot about them. Great band and Rod Price was an amazing guitarist. Check this out:
https://youtu.be/EKMSyQ-0qZ8
They did a lot of blues and other covers (usually way better than the original) and some terrific pop stuff. Lost their way in the 80s when they drifted away from blues/boogie woogie.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:52 PM (KZzsI)
495
I like the video for Tunnel of Love if only for the shot of the casino on the boardwalk between Asbury Park and Ocean Grove. Fond memories when that was open as a kid. I think I had the high score on Punch Out for about three hours in 1984. Also shows up in The Wrestler
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 04:51 PM (OD2ni)
I think a couple of Sopranos episodes too.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 18, 2019 04:51 PM (OD2ni)
I think a couple of Sopranos episodes too.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 18, 2019 04:52 PM (CqE5x)
496
Nood Commie Vindman
Posted by: Boots at November 18, 2019 04:52 PM (oGBso)
497
At the risk of being a Johnny One-Note, Melville wrote a lot of really good stuff besides MD.
Posted by: pep at November 18, 2019 04:49 PM (T6t7i)
I sort of agree, and maybe he's the exception. Most of his really good stuff was shorter, though.
Posted by: pep at November 18, 2019 04:49 PM (T6t7i)
I sort of agree, and maybe he's the exception. Most of his really good stuff was shorter, though.
Posted by: Ted K. at November 18, 2019 04:52 PM (FJYfm)
498
@432
Ok...
On one side of a piece of paper I will put the heading, CONS, under this heading I will put 2.5 trillion dollars spent and 32,000 wounded or killed coalition forces, on the other side of the paper I will put PROS....
You fill that side up..
Ok...
On one side of a piece of paper I will put the heading, CONS, under this heading I will put 2.5 trillion dollars spent and 32,000 wounded or killed coalition forces, on the other side of the paper I will put PROS....
You fill that side up..
Posted by: Huxley's Eyeglass Emporium at November 18, 2019 04:53 PM (43qa7)
499
At the risk of being a Johnny One-Note, Melville wrote a lot of really good stuff besides MD.
Posted by: pep at November 18, 2019 04:49 PM (T6t7i)
The Confidence Man was a very weird comedy.
Posted by: pep at November 18, 2019 04:49 PM (T6t7i)
The Confidence Man was a very weird comedy.
Posted by: Captain Hate at November 18, 2019 04:53 PM (y7DUB)
500
They did a lot of blues and other covers (usually way better than the original) and some terrific pop stuff. Lost their way in the 80s when they drifted away from blues/boogie woogie.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:52 PM (KZzsI)
You can only go so far with blues and boogie.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 18, 2019 04:52 PM (KZzsI)
You can only go so far with blues and boogie.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 18, 2019 04:53 PM (CqE5x)
501
Exit...Stage Left is one of my favorite live albums.
Posted by: jhawk90 at November 18, 2019 04:53 PM (Xvo1a)
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:53 PM (0/eGj)
503
Same is true of authors. You may grow comfortable with their style, but most only have 1 or 2 good stories in them.
Posted by: Ted K. at November 18, 2019 04:49 PM (FJYfm)
Harper Lee is a case in point. One unbelievably great novel, and she mightily resisted producing another one. IIRC, she was practically on her deathbed when the second one was greenlit. Big mistake.
Posted by: Ted K. at November 18, 2019 04:49 PM (FJYfm)
Harper Lee is a case in point. One unbelievably great novel, and she mightily resisted producing another one. IIRC, she was practically on her deathbed when the second one was greenlit. Big mistake.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 18, 2019 04:53 PM (iuFgi)
504
453 On what basis have you decided the Iranian government isn't legitimate? They've been in power for 40 years now.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:44 PM (wGeit)
consent of the governed.
Which, in turn is dependent on freedom of speech, ... (you all know the list and where it comes from.)
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:44 PM (wGeit)
consent of the governed.
Which, in turn is dependent on freedom of speech, ... (you all know the list and where it comes from.)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at November 18, 2019 04:53 PM (LWu6U)
505
Things that make me wonder: Barack O'Bama pretty much destroyed everything George Bush tried to accomplish during the Iraq War, and Bush NEVER SAID A WORD ABOUT IT.
Was/Is Bush just another passive-aggressive double agent?
Was/Is Bush just another passive-aggressive double agent?
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain, in Erath, Near Carcosa at November 18, 2019 04:53 PM (Clxcy)
506
Heard it from a friend that Vindy sleeps in his uniform
Posted by: REDACTED at November 18, 2019 04:54 PM (rpxSz)
507
>> Exit...Stage Left is one of my favorite live albums.
Great LP.
If you like the later material, A Show of Hands is really well done.
Great LP.
If you like the later material, A Show of Hands is really well done.
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:54 PM (0/eGj)
508
Harper Lee is a case in point. One unbelievably great novel, and she mightily resisted producing another one. IIRC, she was practically on her deathbed when the second one was greenlit. Big mistake.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 18, 2019 04:53 PM (iuFgi)
Some people believe to this day that Truman Capote actually wrote Mockingbird....
Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 18, 2019 04:53 PM (iuFgi)
Some people believe to this day that Truman Capote actually wrote Mockingbird....
Posted by: JoeF. at November 18, 2019 04:54 PM (CqE5x)
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I never cared for Rush either. Had musician friends who would go to great lengths explaining so and so's technical proficiency (he's double-basing in 1/16th time or some such), etc. And I'm sure that's all correct, but they just don't sound good to me.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 18, 2019 04:54 PM (87EdW)
Posted by: REDACTED at November 18, 2019 04:55 PM (rpxSz)
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:56 PM (0/eGj)
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Exit...Stage Left is one of my favorite live albums.
Great record. And Rush in Rio has the best crowd ever. They sing along with the guitar playing on YYZ. It's amazing.
Great record. And Rush in Rio has the best crowd ever. They sing along with the guitar playing on YYZ. It's amazing.
Posted by: Ian S. at November 18, 2019 04:56 PM (ZGrMX)
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Some people believe to this day that Truman Capote actually wrote Mockingbird....
Posted by: JoeF. at November 18, 2019 04:54 PM (CqE5x)
while he was on the grassy knoll
Posted by: JoeF. at November 18, 2019 04:54 PM (CqE5x)
while he was on the grassy knoll
Posted by: REDACTED at November 18, 2019 04:56 PM (rpxSz)
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504 453 On what basis have you decided the Iranian government isn't legitimate? They've been in power for 40 years now.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:44 PM (wGeit)
consent of the governed.
Which, in turn is dependent on freedom of speech, ... (you all know the list and where it comes from.)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at November 18, 2019 04:53 PM (LWu6U)
Just how many legitimate governments are out there, by that criteria? There's only one in the ME I can think of.
Also, there isn't any place on earth that has actual freedom of speech, including the US. Is our government legitimate?
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:44 PM (wGeit)
consent of the governed.
Which, in turn is dependent on freedom of speech, ... (you all know the list and where it comes from.)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at November 18, 2019 04:53 PM (LWu6U)
Just how many legitimate governments are out there, by that criteria? There's only one in the ME I can think of.
Also, there isn't any place on earth that has actual freedom of speech, including the US. Is our government legitimate?
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:57 PM (wGeit)
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Harper Lee is a case in point. One unbelievably
great novel, and she mightily resisted producing another one. IIRC, she
was practically on her deathbed when the second one was greenlit. Big
mistake.
Posted by: Darrell Harris
The ultimate example is J.D. Salinger. I think Catcher was a pos, but the lit types play him up as a great man. I think he knew he wasn't worth the hype and didn't want to be humilated.
great novel, and she mightily resisted producing another one. IIRC, she
was practically on her deathbed when the second one was greenlit. Big
mistake.
Posted by: Darrell Harris
The ultimate example is J.D. Salinger. I think Catcher was a pos, but the lit types play him up as a great man. I think he knew he wasn't worth the hype and didn't want to be humilated.
Posted by: pep at November 18, 2019 04:57 PM (T6t7i)
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I lived in Iran for a few years before the revolution. Iran and Iraq were mortal enemies. What changed and when? I must have missed something.....
Posted by: AnnaS at November 18, 2019 04:57 PM (tBimT)
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So. In summation :
Iranians - Bad
Bryan Adams - Not as Bad as you remember
Cowbell = Awesomeness
Iranians - Bad
Bryan Adams - Not as Bad as you remember
Cowbell = Awesomeness
Posted by: garrett at November 18, 2019 04:58 PM (0/eGj)
Posted by: Ian S. at November 18, 2019 04:58 PM (ZGrMX)
Posted by: REDACTED at November 18, 2019 05:00 PM (rpxSz)
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Posted by: ace at November 18, 2019 04:20 PM (PbpT7)
*******
Most People don't know he co wrote War Machine by KISS
*******
Most People don't know he co wrote War Machine by KISS
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 18, 2019 05:04 PM (BqBId)
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101 "I saw a report that protestors actually torched the central bank in Tehran. Wow."
Anybody taking notes?
Anybody taking notes?
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at November 18, 2019 05:09 PM (ne+zP)
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393
Now let's discuss REM.
played that "swan swan hummingbird" song for my sister back in the day. her reaction? "that's worse than not being able to make out the lyrics".
Now let's discuss REM.
played that "swan swan hummingbird" song for my sister back in the day. her reaction? "that's worse than not being able to make out the lyrics".
Posted by: Anachronda at November 18, 2019 05:09 PM (sGtp+)
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453 On what basis have you decided the Iranian government isn't legitimate? They've been in power for 40 years now.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:44 PM (wGeit)
So if a criminal gang rules you for 40 years, it's now legitimate, because time is all that counts?
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at November 18, 2019 04:45 PM (J+mig)
Name me a government that isn't a criminal gang. The current government in Iran isn't any less legitimate than that of the Shah's, who had himself taken power in a coup.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:50 PM (wGeit)
It is that kind of nonsense that led to a generations worth of dumb games with Red China being ignored while pretending Taiwan was a great power. The only thing dumber was putting RC on the security council of the UN right away, or it would be if the UN were worth crap.
Plenty of governments are bad actors but in control of their land and thus are 'legitimate' for the purpose of international relations, like holding them responsible for what goes on near them. It isn't a stamp of approval.
The only time there is a question about the matter is if there is an ongoing civil war above the level of an insurgency, where you can pick a side.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:44 PM (wGeit)
So if a criminal gang rules you for 40 years, it's now legitimate, because time is all that counts?
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at November 18, 2019 04:45 PM (J+mig)
Name me a government that isn't a criminal gang. The current government in Iran isn't any less legitimate than that of the Shah's, who had himself taken power in a coup.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 18, 2019 04:50 PM (wGeit)
It is that kind of nonsense that led to a generations worth of dumb games with Red China being ignored while pretending Taiwan was a great power. The only thing dumber was putting RC on the security council of the UN right away, or it would be if the UN were worth crap.
Plenty of governments are bad actors but in control of their land and thus are 'legitimate' for the purpose of international relations, like holding them responsible for what goes on near them. It isn't a stamp of approval.
The only time there is a question about the matter is if there is an ongoing civil war above the level of an insurgency, where you can pick a side.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 18, 2019 05:13 PM (FTPn0)
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It feels like the last war the US fought for territory was the Mexican-American War.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 18, 2019 04:36 PM (q80AH)
...
Hey.
Posted by: Grenada at November 18, 2019 04:40 PM (yL25O)
Spanish American. I don't recall if we picked anything up in WWI, perhaps some Pacific Islands Germany had.
Grenada, I think, was set up and made independent right off. Same thing with the invasion of Panama a bit later.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at November 18, 2019 04:36 PM (q80AH)
...
Hey.
Posted by: Grenada at November 18, 2019 04:40 PM (yL25O)
Spanish American. I don't recall if we picked anything up in WWI, perhaps some Pacific Islands Germany had.
Grenada, I think, was set up and made independent right off. Same thing with the invasion of Panama a bit later.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 18, 2019 05:16 PM (FTPn0)
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509 I never cared for Rush either. Had musician friends who would go to great lengths explaining so and so's technical proficiency (he's double-basing in 1/16th time or some such), etc. And I'm sure that's all correct, but they just don't sound good to me.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 18, 2019 04:54 PM (87EdW)
if that's how your friend promoted Rush, he lost
Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 18, 2019 04:54 PM (87EdW)
if that's how your friend promoted Rush, he lost
Posted by: Avi at November 18, 2019 05:46 PM (kSq2k)
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From The Intercept, boys and girls playing international spy, leaking documents no one can affirm or refute. Also, despite being stupid in invading Kuwait, Saddam Hussein took to the airways and reminded people he kept the "Persians" out of Arabia. Third, believe nothing that comes from any people or country east of the Jordan River.
Posted by: SgtBob at November 18, 2019 06:17 PM (by4sp)
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I think blaming both parties is a cop out. Obama was handed a somewhat stable Iraq and handed it to Iran once again benefitting Vlad.
Posted by: Gerard Fapignon at November 18, 2019 07:07 PM (E1pln)
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There's an angle on this that needs to be taken into consideration: It was not expected that Obama would pull US security and allow ISIS to invade and halt Iraq's monetary reforms. These reforms would have transformed Iraq's economy from closed to international, and would have prevented Iraqi oil and banking funds from being stolen and funneled to Iran. These stolen funds have supported Iran during sanctions, and Iran would have imploded a decade ago if not for that. Now that Trump has sent the US military to Baghdad, the reforms are proceeding and Iran's lifeline is cut off. That's why the Iranian revolts are happening now.
Posted by: Brisco_County_Sr at November 18, 2019 10:13 PM (DBPIP)
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