NSC Official Tom Morrison, Who Listened In on Ukraine Call: Nothing I Heard Was Illegal or Suspicious

Weird that Adam Schiff didn't leak this, and that the fake news media isn't reporting it.

A top National Security Council (NSC) official who listened to President Donald Trump’s July 25 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelensky testified to Congress today that he did not believe Trump had discussed anything illegal during the conversation.
"I want to be clear, I was not concerned that anything illegal was discussed," former NSC Senior Director for European Affairs Tim Morrison testified today, according to a record of his remarks obtained by The Federalist.

Let me break a little news myself:

A source with knowledge of the testimony in these fake impeachment hearings tells me that there were four professional transcribers who were listening in on the call, for purposes of preparing a written transcript. The four people wrote down what they each heard, then brought their transcriptions together, harmonized them, and decided as a group what the best transcript of the call was.

(This was not told to me, but I imagine that Vindman was the one complaining that the transcript had been put into the top-secret classification, and I'm going to guess it was placed there because people got tired of him having access to it and proposing to add things to it that no one else heard.)

That's standard protocol. Apparently they don't tape these recordings. That's why they have people transcribing the calls in real time.

They all agreed on the transcript that Trump released.

Now, they specifically refute Vindman's claim that there were Secret Messages during that phone call that were not included in the transcript. Vindman kept attempting to change the transcript, or add his notes of whatever auditory hallucination his Deep State pals told him that he heard, and the four transcribers kept rejecting them, saying "that wasn't said" or "none of us heard that" or the like.

All four of them denied this.

All four.

One, two, three, four.

Tell me:

Are four random civil servant transcribers all part of the Trump campaign? Has Trump "gotten" to them all?

Is Bill Barr blackmailing them?

Or is the grandstanding leaker Vindman perhaps a bit... confused?

Bolton's Guy? Tom Servo says that Morrison's testimony might be an indicator of what Bolton will say, and will not say.

31 The reason this is significant - Morrison is one of Bolton's guys, and his testimony is believed to be representative of whatever Bolton will say.
Many leaks and "anonymous sources" have been making claims about what Bolton will say, but he has not directly said anything yet.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 01:09 PM

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1 Good morning!

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at October 31, 2019 01:09 PM (qC1Sy)

2 Yeah, it's still morning where I'm at.

Sue me.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at October 31, 2019 01:09 PM (qC1Sy)

3 first

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 31, 2019 01:10 PM (KUaJL)

4 Ace-

You understand what you're saying about Vindman, and morally where that logic train leads?

Posted by: Tradd at October 31, 2019 01:11 PM (GSJcT)

5 WH has a party line?

Posted by: BignJames at October 31, 2019 01:12 PM (X/Pw5)

6 >>>4 Ace-

You understand what you're saying about Vindman, and morally where that logic train leads?

I'm telling you what a source with knowledge of the testimony says.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2019 01:12 PM (PbpT7)

7 We already have the transcript!

This is gaslighting on an unprecedented insane level.

Posted by: Max Power at October 31, 2019 01:12 PM (q177U)

8 Weird that Adam Schiff didn't leak this, and that the fake news media isn't reporting it.

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The dog that didn't bark in the nighttime.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 31, 2019 01:12 PM (+y/Ru)

9 Venckman is a liar. Full stop.

Posted by: LASue at October 31, 2019 01:12 PM (Ed8Zd)

10 MORE than a bit confused. He was paid to be confused and came thru like a champ

Posted by: zeera BMGG - Books Make Great Gifts! at October 31, 2019 01:12 PM (X+a7J)

11 Or is the grandstanding leaker Vindman perhaps a bit... confused?
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You misspelled, "lying traitor."

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at October 31, 2019 01:12 PM (qC1Sy)

12 >>You understand what you're saying about Vindman, and morally where that logic train leads?

Vindman is a liar and a leaker. It's a non-stop train.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2019 01:13 PM (ZLI7S)

13 Willowed from previous thread:

Totally OT, and not "breaking news" in any way, but it truly is mind-boggling:

Here is a chart showing global temperatures for the last 20,000 years:

https://tinyurl.com/y5qrp5p4

And here's essentially the same data (with the present on the left), again showing global temperatrues for the last 17,000 years:

https://tinyurl.com/y4oxjvjk

Notice anything?

THE GLOBAL TEMPERATURE HAS BEEN AMAZINGLY STABLE FOR THE LAST 10,000 YEARS without almost no variation -- far more stable in the past. AND IT CONTINUES TO BE STABLE.

Seen on this scale, the entire "Global Warming" and "Climate Change" thesis is revealed to be utterly false. Absolutely baseless.

Just two little charts. Destroy the entire movement.

Will the average person ever be informed of this? No.

Beyond amazing.

Posted by: zombie at October 31, 2019 01:13 PM (fK2gX)

14 Or is the grandstanding leaker Vindman perhaps a bit... confused?

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 01:09 PM

If by "confused" you mean "complicit" then yes, quite confused.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 31, 2019 01:13 PM (RD7QR)

15 Not confused so much as frustrated that his agenda is not being pursued as policy.

The ending of this is going to messy - chaotic, even - and you know who that benefits?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Fall In To Frantic Frenzies at The Outrage Outlet! at October 31, 2019 01:13 PM (vv8pr)

16 Vindman is a disgrace to the uniform. What the fuck has happened to the Code of Conduct? For crying out loud!

Court Martial his ass. For sedition.

Posted by: LGoPs the former boyscout who now shouts Broken Arrow!, Broken Arrow! at October 31, 2019 01:13 PM (mNUzX)

17 I can't imagine a scenario where Trump isn't recording every conversation he has.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at October 31, 2019 01:13 PM (0GvUH)

18 "Pretend Impeachment." "Make Believe Impeachment." "Fake Impeachment."

Posted by: davidt at October 31, 2019 01:13 PM (mU726)

19 Ace-

You understand what you're saying about Vindman, and morally where that logic train leads?

I'm telling you what a source with knowledge of the testimony says.
Posted by: ace at October 31,

I dont. Where does that logic train go?

Posted by: LASue at October 31, 2019 01:14 PM (Ed8Zd)

20 he's certainly confused about chain of command and the UCMJ. they do not take going outside of chain of command lightly because it is fundamental. he will be court martialed or chain of command will be moot.

Posted by: x at October 31, 2019 01:14 PM (nFwvY)

21 Trump knows he lied and must apologize and still be impeached anyway!Now somebody please service the fair Jessica for me!!
Jonah Goldberg

Posted by: steevy at October 31, 2019 01:14 PM (KNsKs)

22 Or is the grandstanding leaker Vindman perhaps a bit... confused?
++++++++++++
No, not confused at all. I'm going with "lying his tongue black."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 31, 2019 01:14 PM (I2dne)

23 I called the others

Posted by: Max Power at October 31, 2019 01:14 PM (q177U)

24 Or is the grandstanding leaker Vindman perhaps a bit... confused?

I wonder what types of psychotropic drugs he may be taking and for what. Since the gloves have come off, we need his medical history.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at October 31, 2019 01:15 PM (HaL55)

25 LOL get fucked troll

Posted by: steevy at October 31, 2019 01:15 PM (KNsKs)

26 Or is the grandstanding leaker Vindman perhaps a bit... confused?

___

Confused? No. A piece of shit traitorous cunt? Yes.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:15 PM (FiUMj)

27 Or is the grandstanding leaker Vindman perhaps a bit... confused?

==========

Schiff told him there would be punch and pie.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at October 31, 2019 01:15 PM (q80AH)

28
Is their a recording of the call?

Posted by: YIKES! at October 31, 2019 01:15 PM (t6XCL)

29 23 I called the others
Posted by: Max Power at October 31, 2019 01:14 PM (q177U)

You've got the power!

Posted by: Caliban at October 31, 2019 01:15 PM (qEujL)

30 I called the others
Posted by: Max Power at October 31, 2019 01:14 PM (q177U)
++++++++++
What'd you call them? Something salacious and unverified, I hope.

Posted by: Saint James of the Redwoods at October 31, 2019 01:15 PM (I2dne)

31 The reason this is significant - Morrison is one of Bolton's guys, and his testimony is believed to be representative of whatever Bolton will say.

Many leaks and "anonymous sources" have been making claims about what Bolton will say, but he has not directly said anything yet.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 31, 2019 01:15 PM (Kpl3J)

32 I'm sure the Dems will allow him to testify publicly when the GOP requests it.

Posted by: Mark1971 at October 31, 2019 01:15 PM (xPl2J)

33 You understand what you're saying about Vindman, and morally where that logic train leads?
Posted by: Tradd at October 31, 2019 01:11 PM (GSJcT)

What you talkin' about, Willis?

Posted by: The Gallows Pole at October 31, 2019 01:15 PM (/sgva)

34
How many people sat in on this call? I think I'm the only one who didn't.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 31, 2019 01:16 PM (7rVsF)

35 If Vindman leaked to Ciarwhateverthefuck, he should be charged, tried, and convicted by a general court martial.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at October 31, 2019 01:16 PM (87EdW)

36 But Trumps TONE is impeachable!!

Posted by: Schiff for brains at October 31, 2019 01:16 PM (Ed8Zd)

37 So, this is treason. When will Wray send in SWAT to arrest the entire dem leadership?

Posted by: Galil at October 31, 2019 01:16 PM (Pzzpr)

38 As always, unnamed Sources Say thus is bullshit even when I Want To Believe.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at October 31, 2019 01:16 PM (mf5HN)

39 Just wait until Madame Speaker finds out that her son, Paul Pelosi is facing an indictment regarding his Ukraine activities.

Posted by: SMOD at October 31, 2019 01:16 PM (3aI0K)

40 Weird that Adam Schiff didn't leak this
.........

Yeah. Weird. Like his head.

Posted by: wth at October 31, 2019 01:16 PM (v0R5T)

41 I'm sure the Dems will allow him to testify publicly when the GOP requests it.
Posted by: Mark1971 at October 31, 2019 01:15 PM (xPl2J)
++++++++++++++
Absolutely. This is why we don't get the hysteria. The congressional Democrats are a mixed bag, but those in positions of real authority are virtuous citizen patriots looking out for the best interests of the country.

Posted by: Cucked Out and Tucked Under at October 31, 2019 01:16 PM (I2dne)

42 Vindaloumon is a traitor and should be charged under the UCMJ. Once convicted then made cellmates with Nidal Hassan.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 31, 2019 01:16 PM (9w01p)

43 They all agreed on the transcript that Trump released.

Now, they specifically refute Vindman's claim that there were Secret Messages during that phone call that were not included in the transcript. Vindman kept attempting to change the transcript, or add his notes of whatever auditory hallucination his Deep State pals told him that he heard, and the four transcribers kept rejecting them, saying "that wasn't said" or "none of us heard that" or the like.

Fuck it. That's why you TAPE the conversation ALSO.

Then you have the tape AND transcription.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 31, 2019 01:17 PM (oUkrT)

44 24,
He is not confused. He is dirty as in having a financial and political stake in the process.

Posted by: whig at October 31, 2019 01:17 PM (MItID)

45 Is it normal to have so many people listening in on calls? No wonder we're $20T in debt. Half the govt budget is paying people to listen to phone calls it seems.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:17 PM (FiUMj)

46 Understanding what corrupt, low down and dirty snakes the Donks are, even I am struck by the audacity of their operation here.

They were literally able to spin up impeachment in less than two months.

I mean all the Republicans have to do is carry around a placard with the specific utterance of Biden in the call to the Ukraine President with the sub-head, Show me the crime?

Here is the relevant text...

"The other thing, There's a lot talk about Biden's son, that Eiden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if
you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."

He asked him to look into the circumstances of the firing of the prosecutor and to work with the US Attorney General.

There is literally nothing remarkable or illicit about what Trump was asking.

This is all preposterous.

And if by some miracle Trump wins a second term, he needs to fumigate the executive branch for ticks, leeches and traitors.

Posted by: Huxley's Eye Glass Emporium at October 31, 2019 01:17 PM (1+vZv)

47 Venkman's only trying to get into Ripley's britches

if he has to BS a bit, so be it

Posted by: REDACTED at October 31, 2019 01:17 PM (rpxSz)

48 BOMBSHELL
*fizzle*

Posted by: wth at October 31, 2019 01:17 PM (v0R5T)

49 31 The reason this is significant - Morrison is one of Bolton's guys, and his testimony is believed to be representative of whatever Bolton will say.

Many leaks and "anonymous sources" have been making claims about what Bolton will say, but he has not directly said anything yet.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 31, 2019 01:15 PM (Kpl3J)

========

Ah, but Allahpundit is convinced that Bolton is going to single handedly take down Trump.

So, it's, like, in the bag, and stuff.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at October 31, 2019 01:17 PM (q80AH)

50 Now, they specifically refute Vindman's claim that there were Secret Messages during that phone call that were not included in the transcript.

But but but he's wearing a uniform so we can't question a single thing he says you guys

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 31, 2019 01:18 PM (kw5n8)

51 16 Vindman is a disgrace to the uniform. What the fuck has happened to the Code of Conduct? For crying out loud!

Court Martial his ass. For sedition.

Posted by: LGoPs the former boyscout who now shouts Broken Arrow!, Broken Arrow! at October 31, 2019 01:13 PM (mNUzX)

The Code of Conduct has been replaced with the Code of Attention Whores. Please amend your programs....

Posted by: Tami at October 31, 2019 01:18 PM (cF8AT)

52 I also feel left out that I wasnt on the call!

Posted by: LASue at October 31, 2019 01:18 PM (Ed8Zd)

53 You understand what you're saying about Vindman, and morally where that logic train leads?

Posted by: Tradd at October 31, 2019 01:11 PM (GSJcT)

I don't.....learn me up on where morally that logic train leads.

Posted by: BignJames at October 31, 2019 01:18 PM (X/Pw5)

54 >>>Beyond amazing.
Posted by: zombie at October 31, 2019 01:13 PM (fK2gX)

May you live in ~~interesting~~ amazing times.

Posted by: Max Power at October 31, 2019 01:18 PM (q177U)

55
Ah, but Allahpundit is convinced that Bolton is going to single handedly take down Trump.
___

Walls Status: Closing In

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:18 PM (FiUMj)

56 But but but he's wearing a uniform so we can't question a single thing he says you guys
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 31, 2019 01:18 PM (kw5n

+++++++++++++++
Military service makes you beyond reproach, unless you're not on Team Deep State.

Posted by: Geraldo Rivera at October 31, 2019 01:18 PM (I2dne)

57 Has Venkman invaded the Crimea yet ?

Posted by: REDACTED at October 31, 2019 01:19 PM (rpxSz)

58 Wow Ace, you need to get that news out to Sean Davis or Julie Kelly or Mollie Hemingway or Kurt Schlichter or ... embrace the power of AND!

"If you play the transcript backward and employ ACE encryption techniques, Trump is clearly singing quid pro quo songs in Russian!" -- Dr. Peter Venkman, war hero

Posted by: ShainS at October 31, 2019 01:19 PM (WqPYg)

59 I do not really understand what is up with Vindman. And, from what the GOP members of the committee are saying, even Taylor's "heard it from a friend" claims were negated in testimony. Its absurd what is going on.

This is where I long for a professional news body because the Democrats are completely dependent on only what they want being reported and spun.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 31, 2019 01:19 PM (KZzsI)

60 If you look back and read the "Parody" transcript that Schiff read in Congress, back at the start of this, that is most likely what Vindman was trying to forge the transcript to say. Hence all the butthurt about "white house security procedures" - they blocked Vindman from executing that part of the scheme.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 31, 2019 01:19 PM (Kpl3J)

61 Weird that Adam Schiff didn't leak this
.........

Yeah. Weird. Like his head.

-
Mr. Garrison from South Park. Mmmmkay?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 31, 2019 01:19 PM (+y/Ru)

62 this will not end without some serious Jeffersonian tree maintenance...

I challenge the trolls... name one, just one.. law the Pres has
broken, just one... not hearsay, not rumor, not teh Russians said so.. just one real law. Or shut the fuck up.

Posted by: catman at October 31, 2019 01:19 PM (4HMlb)

63 Here's the Army's new fitness test:

https://www.army.mil/acft/

Now, can you imagine that fatass Vindman passing any portion of it?

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at October 31, 2019 01:20 PM (N4xQB)

64 I'm telling you what a source with knowledge of the testimony says.
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2019 01:12 PM (PbpT7)

>>> So your source is saying he actively tried to plant false evidence as part of a coup attempt.

That's not treason, not sure what the word is....sedition?

Posted by: Tradd at October 31, 2019 01:20 PM (GSJcT)

65 Is Bill Barr blackmailing them?
At this point, is it wise to assume Barr is still breathing.

Posted by: Olivia Thirlby's bicycle seat. at October 31, 2019 01:20 PM (Bf3hj)

66 The problem the Dems have is that if a current president can be hounded like this, why not a former one?

Trump'a practically daring them to greenlight arresting Obama, and maybe packing W off to the Hague. May they enjoy the new rules.

Posted by: trev006 at October 31, 2019 01:20 PM (V+8Zu)

67 34

How many people sat in on this call? I think I'm the only one who didn't.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 31, 2019 01:16 PM (7rVsF)

It seems pretty obvious to me that our intelligence agencies record every conversation the Ukranian leadership has from that side.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 31, 2019 01:20 PM (CQ3Qb)

68 @IvankaTrump

"...surrounded by enemies and spies catching and perverting every word that falls from my lips or flows from my pen, and inventing where facts fail them." - Thomas Jefferson's reflections on Washington, D.C. in a letter to his daughter Martha.
Some things never change, dad!

Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at October 31, 2019 01:20 PM (G546f)

69 Military service makes you beyond reproach, unless you're not on Team Deep State.

Posted by: Geraldo Rivera at October 31, 2019 01:18 PM (I2dne)

__________

Russian assets Michael Flynn and Tulsi Gabbard rate this as mostly true.

Posted by: ShainS at October 31, 2019 01:20 PM (WqPYg)

70 If I had been in on the call I would have asked the Ukraine guys to send all their hot chicks.

Posted by: wth at October 31, 2019 01:20 PM (v0R5T)

71 If I had been in on the call I would have asked the Ukraine guys to send all their hot chicks

Is that you, grabby Joe?

Posted by: Olivia Thirlby's bicycle seat. at October 31, 2019 01:21 PM (Bf3hj)

72 These people should be incinerated. Down to bone powder. Nothing else is just.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at October 31, 2019 01:21 PM (JoUsr)

73 64 I'm telling you what a source with knowledge of the testimony says.
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2019 01:12 PM (PbpT7)

>>> So your source is saying he actively tried to plant false evidence as part of a coup attempt.

That's not treason, not sure what the word is....sedition?
Posted by: Tradd at October 31, 2019 01:20 PM (GSJcT)

=========

It's a whoops.

Whoops!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at October 31, 2019 01:21 PM (q80AH)

74 You may or may not agree with Ambassador Bolton, but I think he is a stand up guy and in NO WAY will he undermine PDT.

And if I were the Republicans I would release all the material in these bullshit hearings. Fuck the consequences. This is a coup and street fight, and there are no rules in a street fight.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 31, 2019 01:21 PM (cEsBM)

75 It is truly shocking watching the Democrats simply railroad this through like a Soviet court. They aren't even trying to pretend to do it legally and reasonably, its just a complete kangaroo court. I thought Sandy Berger stuffing classified documents down his pants and getting away with it took the cake, but they just blew that little incident away.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 31, 2019 01:21 PM (KZzsI)

76 Ah, but Allahpundit is convinced that Bolton is going to single handedly take down Trump.

So, it's, like, in the bag, and stuff.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at October 31, 2019 01:17 PM (q80AH)

Bolton is refusing to testify unless he gets a real subpoena.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 31, 2019 01:21 PM (CQ3Qb)

77 59 I do not really understand what is up with Vindman. "

I don't think he's hard to understand at all. He is part of a pre-planned conspiracy to launch a coup de' estat, taking out the President. Everything he says was scripted months ago.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 31, 2019 01:21 PM (Kpl3J)

78 Oh, you want a bombshell

I'll show you a bombshell

Posted by: DURHAM at October 31, 2019 01:21 PM (rpxSz)

79 Vindman kept attempting to change the transcript, or add his notes of whatever auditory hallucination his Deep State pals told him that he heard

--

Totally unrelated to how the FBI changed 302s with regard to Flynn.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 31, 2019 01:21 PM (YslsA)

80 Trump is bringing Conan to the White House next week lol.

I pray Jimmy Acosta gets torn to pieces.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 31, 2019 01:21 PM (j3npP)

81 70 If I had been in on the call I would have asked the Ukraine guys to send all their hot chicks.

Posted by: wth at October 31, 2019 01:20 PM (v0R5T)

LOL...I would have asked for their best vodka!

Posted by: IC - soon to be de-energized at October 31, 2019 01:22 PM (a0IVu)

82 Petey Vinkman, warrior princess

Posted by: drump at 1300 hrs at October 31, 2019 01:22 PM (WX+x0)

83 Some things never change, dad!

Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at October 31, 2019 01:20 PM (G546f)

Daaaaaaaaamn. I actually checked if this was real, and it is. Looks like she's not Miss Congeniality any more.

Posted by: trev006 at October 31, 2019 01:22 PM (V+8Zu)

84 76 So, it's, like, in the bag, and stuff.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at October 31, 2019 01:17 PM (q80AH)

Bolton is refusing to testify unless he gets a real subpoena.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 31, 2019 01:21 PM (CQ3Qb)

==========

You couldn't possibly be saying that the great prognosticator Allahpundit is wrong, could you?!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at October 31, 2019 01:22 PM (q80AH)

85 And if I were the Republicans I would release all the material in these bullshit hearings. F

I would, too. Its in violation of House rules but... the entire inquiry was in violation of house rules, so who gives a damn? They can't do anything about it other than bitch and moan and censure someone.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 31, 2019 01:22 PM (KZzsI)

86 But there were ELLIPSES !!!!!!

Posted by: MSM at October 31, 2019 01:22 PM (lWCRE)

87 I want to know just how many people they have listening in on these calls.

Because it's starting to seem like there's so many that they might as well just put them up on some webcast service.

Posted by: JEM at October 31, 2019 01:22 PM (8erNz)

88 The Stache may need a trim. If dirty, I hope somebody holds him down and shaves him.

In cold water.

Posted by: nip at October 31, 2019 01:22 PM (Izot6)

89 It seems pretty obvious to me that our intelligence agencies record every conversation the Ukranian leadership has from that side.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 31, 2019 01:20 PM (CQ3Qb)
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I think they listen in to everything they can get their filthy paws on so they can use anything that comes up as a means to greater control and power for the deep state. I am starting to think that the entire deep state engine is lubricated by a combination of soft and explicit blackmail coercion courtesy of unchecked spymasters and their credulous or complicity rank-and-file subordinates.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 31, 2019 01:22 PM (I2dne)

90 One of the detail from the Clinton-Lewinsky Scandal was that Monica would give Bill blowjobs WHILE HE WAS ON THE PHONE with world leaders.

How is this relevant? Well, it pretty much proves that Clinton had NO ONE listening in, transcribing, or present in the room when he was making these calls. (Aside from Monica, that is.)

Lord knows what was said in those calls.

When did the system of having umpty-ump people in the room documenting every presidential call arise? Seems to have not been in place in the mid-'90s.

Posted by: zombie at October 31, 2019 01:22 PM (fK2gX)

91 Trump is bringing Conan to the White House next week lol.

I pray Jimmy Acosta gets torn to pieces.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 31, 2019 01:21 PM (j3npP)

someone should soak his underwear in raw hamburger

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 31, 2019 01:22 PM (cEsBM)

92 These four professionals, whose job it is to quickly take notes, have matching "contemporaneous notes," the FBI gold standard I'm told.

Vindman on the other hand wants to insert language he "heard" in a 30 minute conversation. I'm also going to go out on a limb here and say that he wanted to insert language only he remembered - but also needed the transcript to find where he needed to put it.

Posted by: bif at October 31, 2019 01:22 PM (aiyac)

93 62
this will not end without some serious Jeffersonian tree maintenance...

I challenge the trolls... name one, just one.. law the Pres has

broken, just one... not hearsay, not rumor, not teh Russians said so.. just one real law. Or shut the fuck up.

Posted by: catman at October 31, 2019 01:19 PM (4HMlb)

_________

He literally rape-raped women when he said "pussy" on tape!
[Concur with your first sentence -- I've never been this fed-up in my life.]

Posted by: ShainS at October 31, 2019 01:23 PM (WqPYg)

94 @SenRomney
6 minutes ago

A great day for our nation today. I applaud my fellow legislators in the House for performing their constitutional duty and proceeding with the inquiry into malfeasance on the part of the President.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:23 PM (FiUMj)

95 I would, too. Its in violation of House rules but... the entire inquiry was in violation of house rules,

Someone needs to just turn on their phone and webcast it.

Posted by: JEM at October 31, 2019 01:23 PM (8erNz)

96 24 Or is the grandstanding leaker Vindman perhaps a bit... confused?

I wonder what types of psychotropic drugs he may be taking and for what. Since the gloves have come off, we need his medical history.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at October 31, 2019 01:15 PM (HaL55)

No all we need to do is look at his political connections (dem) and his family connections to Ukraine banking (and I think this one is key). If the family dough was to be made in the US (much like other pols like Amash with ties to Chinese manufacturing), he'd have no vested interest in Ukraine business. I also think Coulter is wrong about his loyalty to Ukraine, the Vindmans are loyal to the Vindmans.

Posted by: CN at October 31, 2019 01:23 PM (U7k5w)

97 Scott Adams says today that it would be the ultimate PR coup for Trump to adopt Conan.

Posted by: Mark1971 at October 31, 2019 01:23 PM (xPl2J)

98 Bolton will say nothing complimentary of Trump. However, he will not say what Trump did was wrongful, because he didn't complain about it at the time, nor since. If he suddenly decided it was inappropriate when testifying to Schiff, it would be an obvious falsehood.

Bolton would never tell an obvious falsehood.

He will simply say Trump was uncouth and indelicate, unwise in creating a potential appearance of potential impropriety and despite his efforts to counsel him, Trump doesn't listen.

Posted by: simplemind at October 31, 2019 01:23 PM (kPw7L)

99 76 Ah, but Allahpundit is convinced that Bolton is going to single handedly take down Trump.

All of Analpundit's knowledge comes with a 4 inch hole beneath it.

Posted by: DURHAM at October 31, 2019 01:23 PM (rpxSz)

100 >>If I had been in on the call I would have asked the Ukraine guys to send all their hot chicks.

You'll get a Chalupa.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2019 01:23 PM (ZLI7S)

101 On the positive side, it keeps DC from doing any other legislative harm to the country, so there's that.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at October 31, 2019 01:23 PM (LWu6U)

102 70 If I had been in on the call I would have asked the Ukraine guys to send all their hot chicks.
Posted by: wth at October 31, 2019 01:20 PM (v0R5T)

I'm pretty sure that ship sailed.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 31, 2019 01:23 PM (RD7QR)

103 78 Oh, you want a bombshell

I'll show you a bombshell
Posted by: DURHAM at October 31, 2019 01:21 PM (rpxSz)

Do it, already

Posted by: CN at October 31, 2019 01:24 PM (U7k5w)

104 94 @SenRomney
6 minutes ago

It's not funny enough to be the Bee, so I have to assume it's real.

I hate to have to thank God this shit never got the Presidency.

Posted by: JEM at October 31, 2019 01:24 PM (8erNz)

105 name one, just one.. law the Pres has broken, just one... not hearsay, not rumor, not teh Russians said so.. just one real law.

Posted by: catman at October 31, 2019 01:19 PM (4HMlb)

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For the 72872nd time, impeachment is not a legal process. It's a political process. Nancy could impeach because she doesn't like Trump's tie selection. It literally can be for any reason.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:25 PM (FiUMj)

106 If you are military on NSC, who would your superior officer be? Could he interrogate Vindman to discover his leak recipients?

Posted by: Ever at October 31, 2019 01:25 PM (ZZDMQ)

107 "The Stache may need a trim."

This is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at October 31, 2019 01:25 PM (8TdcF)

108 Let's wish Vindman'good luck' at his new post at Kodiak Island, AK

Posted by: SMOD at October 31, 2019 01:25 PM (3aI0K)

109 I for one look forward to none of these four being allowed to testify in Schiff's principled investigation to save democracy and stuff.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 31, 2019 01:25 PM (V9sPV)

110 I know what I heard.

Posted by: Vindman and $1000 a month 900-line bill. at October 31, 2019 01:25 PM (Vy7tf)

111 Is this the "New Evidence" that CNN promoted?

Oh no.. it isn't... their "new evidence" was simply some new guy with an opinion.

Posted by: Reality Man at October 31, 2019 01:25 PM (//Byp)

112 If you look back and read the "Parody" transcript that Schiff read in Congress,

It was no parody; it was what Schiff wanted people to believe had been said.

That pencil-necked geek never dreamt that Trump would release the transcript of the phone call. He definitely belongs on The List.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 31, 2019 01:25 PM (iJVGX)

113 gotta a feeling that Bolton will be put off

Schitts is probably smelling a double cross atm

Posted by: REDACTED at October 31, 2019 01:25 PM (rpxSz)

114 Bolton needs to be held down and have his moustache forcibly shaved off. He is unworthy.

Posted by: Guzalot at October 31, 2019 01:25 PM (prSvo)

115 80 Trump is bringing Conan to the White House next week lol.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis

97 Scott Adams says today that it would be the ultimate PR coup for Trump to adopt Conan.
Posted by: Mark1971

Conan the Barbarian? Conan O'Brien? Why would Trump invite them to the White House or adopt them?

I think I'm missing something here.

Posted by: zombie at October 31, 2019 01:25 PM (fK2gX)

116 Trump is bringing Conan to the White House next week lol.

I pray Jimmy Acosta gets torn to pieces.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 31, 2019 01:21 PM (j3npP)

someone should soak his underwear in raw hamburger

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 31, 2019 01:22 PM (cEsBM)

Milkbone underpants!

Posted by: Norm! at October 31, 2019 01:25 PM (v0R5T)

117 Little legislative harm, much societal harm.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 31, 2019 01:25 PM (3CqsF)

118 You couldn't possibly be saying that the great prognosticator Allahpundit is wrong, could you?!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at October 31, 2019 01:22 PM (q80AH)

I don't know what he said, only this:
"Bolton will not voluntarily testify, says his lawyer"https://bit.ly/337e3ck

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 31, 2019 01:25 PM (CQ3Qb)

119 A certain type of person (think high school sga) covers political power. This is why, generally, both parties are the same. The positions may be different, but the desires animating the people are the same- hence Ivanka's quote of TJ ringing so true. Every once in awhile a Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln type disupter comes along. Because he is not of the body, the antibodies kick in- he must be destroyed. These type of people should be structurally limited to as little power as possible. Which was, of course, the point.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at October 31, 2019 01:26 PM (87EdW)

120 yes vindman was lobbied by Ukraine's natural gas company, and a fringe Libyan political party of all things, (yes I took my new nic from the movie coriolianus, now on pluto tv)

Posted by: gaius martius at October 31, 2019 01:26 PM (x+C/t)

121 @90

Fairly confident this was all ushered in by Bush during "The Great War On Terror!!!!" two-step.

Let's create this immense spying apparatus with no checks, balances or controls and see what happens.

Hope it doesn't get turned inwards!!!!

Posted by: Huxley's Eye Glass Emporium at October 31, 2019 01:26 PM (1+vZv)

122 "11 Or is the grandstanding leaker Vindman perhaps a bit... confused?
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You misspelled, "lying traitor."

"Foreign agent" is more like it. It's probably too late to save the United States from the horrible fate that awaits it, but future representative democracies might want to bar immigrants from any security positions. They are inherently prone to dual loyalty.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at October 31, 2019 01:26 PM (iw59Q)

123 NSC Official Tom Morrison, Who Listened In on Ukraine Call: Nothing I Heard Was Illegal or Suspicious

The MFM will completely ignore this while continuing to run stories about oh soooooo highly regarded Vindman

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 31, 2019 01:26 PM (kw5n8)

124 I think I'm missing something here.

Posted by: zombie at October 31, 2019 01:25 PM (fK2gX)

Conan is the name of the dog from the ISIS raid.

Posted by: Mark1971 at October 31, 2019 01:26 PM (xPl2J)

125 94
@SenRomney

6 minutes ago

A great day for our nation today. I applaud my fellow legislators in
the House for performing their constitutional duty and proceeding with
the inquiry into malfeasance on the part of the President.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:23 PM (FiUMj)

__________

Impossible to tell if this is parody or not. Off to snopes.com for the answer ... /

Posted by: ShainS at October 31, 2019 01:26 PM (WqPYg)

126 Lord knows what was said in those calls.

When did the system of having umpty-ump people in the room documenting every presidential call arise? Seems to have not been in place in the mid-'90s.
=====
*bites lip*

Well, uhm, you see. It's not that I'm shy, It's just difficult to arrange a bribe in front of witnesses.

Posted by: slick willie at October 31, 2019 01:26 PM (MN5e8)

127 Well they've voted to inquire, then they've voted to probe, and they will probably vote to investigate, and then vote to question, then vote to ask, and vote some more.

But none of these will advance in the Senate.

But every one of these "votes" will deepen the resolve of the haters, while making the reps in swings even more toxic to the swing voters.

It is designed for maximum play in the MFM, but the public is fully aware of their mendacity now, and fake news is becoming so fake as to be a joke.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at October 31, 2019 01:26 PM (xCEQI)

128 I challenge the trolls... name one, just one.. law the Pres has broken, just one... not hearsay, not rumor, not teh Russians said so.. just one real law. Or shut the fuck up.

Posted by: catman at October 31, 2019 01:19 PM (4HMlb)

Haven't you heard? Trump confessed to cutting the tag off his mattress back in 1970. That's a Federal Offense.

Get out of denial, it is over for the orange one.

Posted by: Nickel-a-Post Trollbot at October 31, 2019 01:27 PM (htJYU)

129 Mitch McConnell once said he wanted to make Obama a one term president!!!!! Shocking!!!!

The leftards *still* act like that was some crazy over the top out of bounds thing. Meanwhile look around.

Posted by: ... at October 31, 2019 01:27 PM (PpNEU)

130 @SenRomney
6 minutes ago

A great day for our nation today. I applaud my fellow legislators in the House for performing their constitutional duty and proceeding with the inquiry into malfeasance on the part of the President.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:23 PM (FiUMj)

I'm getting to hate that cocksucker more and more every day.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 31, 2019 01:27 PM (iJVGX)

131 Left: Anything and everything even remotely associated with Russia is bad

Also Left: Let's all sing the praises of a Russian (well Ukrainian but whatevs) named Vindman

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:27 PM (FiUMj)

132 97 Scott Adams says today that it would be the ultimate PR coup for Trump to adopt Conan.
Posted by: Mark1971 at October 31, 2019 01:23 PM (xPl2J)

========

"Trump is a monster for never adopting a dog!"

Trump adopts Conan.

"Trump is a monster for adopting the best dog!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at October 31, 2019 01:27 PM (q80AH)

133 The Stache may need a trim. If dirty, I hope somebody holds him down and shaves him.
----------------------------

John no longer has a longer mustache???

Repeat, John no longer has a long mustache!

Posted by: fly gal at October 31, 2019 01:27 PM (8TdcF)

134 Was there ever any sourcing at all for the Trump asked seven times for Ukraine to make up stuff on Biden?

Because that was a weirdly specific claim.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at October 31, 2019 01:27 PM (mf5HN)

135 He will simply say Trump was uncouth and indelicate, unwise in creating a potential appearance of potential impropriety and despite his efforts to counsel him, Trump doesn't listen

Yeah that seems to be the main complaint against Trump by a lot of these guys "he ignores me" and "he refuses to listen." As in, "he wants to do things his own way and ignores my super wise counsel."

For the 72872nd time, impeachment is not a legal process. It's a political process.

Yeah you keep saying this and I keep noting that Pelosi is NOT trying to impeach for not liking his tie. They are treating it as a legal issue and claiming illegality. And since that is the standard they are claiming and presenting this as, asking where the illegality is, is completely reasonable.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 31, 2019 01:27 PM (KZzsI)

136 I haven't looked at Allahpundit lately.

Maybe not since being run off LGF by a dope smoking hippie bike rider and Atari coding expert,

Posted by: Edward Moran at October 31, 2019 01:27 PM (OH2/v)

137 The Republicans should shut down the house. All the representatives from both chambers need to mob the proceedings and chain the fucking doors closed.

SHUT IT DOWN!

Posted by: Max Power at October 31, 2019 01:27 PM (q177U)

138 Scott Adams says today that it would be the ultimate PR coup for Trump to adopt Conan.
Posted by: Mark1971 at October 31, 2019 01:23 PM (xPl2J)

The dog's handler should be Number One on the list of potential adopters.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 31, 2019 01:28 PM (/sgva)

139 124 I think I'm missing something here.

Posted by: zombie at October 31, 2019 01:25 PM (fK2gX)

Conan is the name of the dog from the ISIS raid.
Posted by: Mark1971

Uhhhh...OK...???

I was without power for 3 days, so I think I missed that news cycle, whatever it was.

Posted by: zombie at October 31, 2019 01:28 PM (fK2gX)

140 9 I do not really understand what is up with Vindman. "

I don't think he's hard to understand at all. He is part of a
pre-planned conspiracy to launch a coup de' estat, taking out the
President. Everything he says was scripted months ago.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 31, 2019 01:21 PM (Kpl3J)

The Dems have probably promised to make him Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. And he'll be allowed to create his own uniform - something along the lines of the kind Idi Amin and Muammar Khaddafi wore.

And he will be referred to as Grand Field Marshall Excellente!

What a treasonous fucking worm. Almost makes me ashamed to have worn the same uniform.

Posted by: LGoPs the former boyscout who now shouts Broken Arrow!, Broken Arrow! at October 31, 2019 01:28 PM (mNUzX)

141

Why did this "long time Republican aide" resign?

Why did Fake News tell me Morrison said he had a "sinking feeling" when he heard the president talk to Ukraine president?

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 31, 2019 01:28 PM (+mII6)

142 You know when Dems try to cite Christianity like "Jesus love immigrants!" or "The Bible says not to judge!"

Obviously those aren't sincere statements, just Alinsky tactics of trying to shame conservatives with their own values.

It's the same exact thing when they praise people like Vindman for being in the military.

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at October 31, 2019 01:28 PM (N4xQB)

143 Oh, Conan is the dog's name? LOL. I thought Conan O'Brien was going to the WH.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:28 PM (FiUMj)

144 Impossible to tell if this is parody or not. Off to snopes.com for the answer ... /
Posted by: ShainS at October 31, 2019 01:26 PM (WqPYg)

It doesn't matter. The face that we can't tell whether or not it's real speaks volumes.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 31, 2019 01:28 PM (iJVGX)

145 I too am surprised, shocked really, that Supreme Prosecutor Schiff did not pass this information on to the leftist media. Do we need any more evidence that this Impeachment (aka Coup Attempt) is a mockery of a sham parading as a farce? Go Trump, drain the swamp, MAGA!

Posted by: Kenny The G from AZ at October 31, 2019 01:28 PM (AYCSL)

146 129 Mitch McConnell once said he wanted to make Obama a one term president!!!!! Shocking!!!!

The leftards *still* act like that was some crazy over the top out of bounds thing. Meanwhile look around.
Posted by: ... at October 31, 2019 01:27 PM (PpNEU)

=========

Well, this is payback for Mitch saying that and then acting like Obama was actually president for 8 years.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at October 31, 2019 01:28 PM (q80AH)

147 How is this relevant? Well, it pretty much proves
that Clinton had NO ONE listening in, transcribing, or present in the
room when he was making these calls. (Aside from Monica, that is.)

Lord knows what was said in those calls.

When did the system of having umpty-ump people in the room
documenting every presidential call arise? Seems to have not been in
place in the mid-'90s.

Posted by: zombie at October 31, 2019 01:22 PM (fK2gX)

I take for granted that I was in that world for a few years so what seems like common sense to me isn't actually common. There are usually a room full of people elsewhere, often multiple rooms full of people, listening in to these calls. And that's just on the US side. NSA and CIA are listening to EVERYTHING the other side does all the time.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 31, 2019 01:29 PM (CQ3Qb)

148 104 94 @SenRomney
6 minutes ago

It's not funny enough to be the Bee, so I have to assume it's real.

I hate to have to thank God this shit never got the Presidency.
Posted by: JEM at October 31, 2019 01:24 PM (8erNz)

I hate to be fair to Romney, but @SenRomney is a parody account.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 31, 2019 01:29 PM (Kpl3J)

149 One of my dogs came up to me today and said "Daddy, if the evil man in the white house is able to disparage the services of a hero without recourse, how can the republic go on?"

I told my dog that the americans in congress and the fbi and cia will save us and that we live in a democracy... not a republic.

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at October 31, 2019 01:29 PM (//Byp)

150 62 this will not end without some serious Jeffersonian tree maintenance...

I challenge the trolls... name one, just one.. law the Pres has
broken, just one... not hearsay, not rumor, not teh Russians said so.. just one real law. Or shut the fuck up.

Enoulments! Blackmail! Extortion! He said "grab em by the pussy!"

AND THAT'S JUST FOR STARTERS

Posted by: Progtard at October 31, 2019 01:29 PM (YKjQ6)

151 For the 72872nd time, impeachment is not a legal process. It's a
political process. Nancy could impeach because she doesn't like Trump's
tie selection. It literally can be for any reason.

Have you ever read the Constitution? Like, at all?

Or do you just repeat whatever the TV tells you to say?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at October 31, 2019 01:29 PM (HaL55)

152 142 You know when Dems try to cite Christianity like "Jesus love immigrants!" or "The Bible says not to judge!"

Obviously those aren't sincere statements, just Alinsky tactics of trying to shame conservatives with their own values.

It's the same exact thing when they praise people like Vindman for being in the military.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at October 31, 2019 01:28 PM (N4xQB)

We should reply with "Karl Marx would never have done/said that!"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 31, 2019 01:29 PM (iJVGX)

153 >A great day for our nation today. I applaud my fellow legislators in

the House for performing their constitutional duty and proceeding with

the inquiry into malfeasance on the part of the President.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:23 PM (FiUMj)

I can't find this.

Posted by: Muad'dib at October 31, 2019 01:29 PM (sjdRT)

154 Also Left: Let's all sing the praises of a Russian (well Ukrainian but whatevs) named Vindman
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:27 PM (FiUMj)

Probably a Russian family who moved to Ukraine after 1917.

Posted by: CN at October 31, 2019 01:29 PM (U7k5w)

155 134 Was there ever any sourcing at all for the Trump asked seven times for Ukraine to make up stuff on Biden?

Because that was a weirdly specific claim.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at October 31, 2019 01:27 PM (mf5HN)

----------------

Liars always make up specific details in order to prove just how reliable they are.

"See, if I remember that, then I can't be lying!"

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at October 31, 2019 01:30 PM (qC1Sy)

156 Mitch McConnell once said he wanted to make Obama a one term president!!!!! Shocking!!!!

Remember the outrage and horror when Limbaugh said he wanted Obama to fail?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 31, 2019 01:30 PM (KZzsI)

157 141

Why did this "long time Republican aide" resign?

Why did Fake News tell me Morrison said he had a "sinking feeling" when he heard the president talk to Ukraine president?
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 31, 2019 01:28 PM (+mII6)

==========

Gas stop sushi.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at October 31, 2019 01:30 PM (q80AH)

158 119 A certain type of person (think high school sga) covers political power. This is why, generally, both parties are the same. The positions may be different, but the desires animating the people are the same- hence Ivanka's quote of TJ ringing so true. Every once in awhile a Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln type disupter comes along. Because he is not of the body, the antibodies kick in- he must be destroyed. These type of people should be structurally limited to as little power as possible. Which was, of course, the point.
Posted by: Farmer Bob
===========================

I liken Trump to The Mule in Asimov's Foundation series. The disruptor that nobody could predict coming who turns the established order on it's head.

Posted by: Guzalot at October 31, 2019 01:30 PM (prSvo)

159 I hate to be fair to Romney, but @SenRomney is a parody account.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 31, 2019 01:29 PM (Kpl3J)

OK, but the fact that we can't tell says a LOT about Romney.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 31, 2019 01:30 PM (iJVGX)

160 I'm getting to hate that cocksucker more and more every day.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 31, 2019 01:27 PM (iJVGX)

you're so far behind me, you'll never catch up

Posted by: REDACTED at October 31, 2019 01:30 PM (rpxSz)

161 High crimes and misdemeanors is code for suit color. Now you know.

Name the broken law.

Ask a lefty, they all say he is a crook. AKA lawbreaker. Name the laws he has broken? It should be easy.

Posted by: nip at October 31, 2019 01:30 PM (Izot6)

162 Yeah you keep saying this and I keep noting that Pelosi is NOT trying to impeach for not liking his tie. They are treating it as a legal issue and claiming illegality. And since that is the standard they are claiming and presenting this as, asking where the illegality is, is completely reasonable.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 31, 2019 01:27 PM (KZzsI)

___

I get where you're coming from. But are they claiming illegality? I keep hearing words like concerned and inappropriate. But have they actually said what he did is illegal? And I realize this is splitting hairs.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:30 PM (FiUMj)

163
Let's wish Vindman'good luck' at his new post at Kodiak Island, AK
Posted by: SMOD at October 31, 2019 01:25 PM (3aI0K)

Kodiak is too beautiful, and too close to civilization in Anchorage.

Thule Air Base, Greenland. He can be the point man for Trump's upcoming purchase of the whole island.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 31, 2019 01:31 PM (kw0bd)

164 For the 72872nd time, impeachment is not a legal process. It's a
political process. Nancy could impeach because she doesn't like Trump's
tie selection. It literally can be for any reason.

--

Remind me when "high crimes and misdemeanors" was removed from the constitution by amendment.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 31, 2019 01:31 PM (YslsA)

165 106
If you are military on NSC, who would your superior officer be? Could he interrogate Vindman to discover his leak recipients?

Posted by: Ever at October 31, 2019 01:25 PM (ZZDMQ)

Director of National Intelligence.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 31, 2019 01:31 PM (CQ3Qb)

166 159 I hate to be fair to Romney, but @SenRomney is a parody account.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 31, 2019 01:29 PM (Kpl3J)

OK, but the fact that we can't tell says a LOT about Romney.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 31, 2019 01:30 PM (iJVGX)

-----------

Very much true.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at October 31, 2019 01:31 PM (qC1Sy)

167 There are usually a room full of people elsewhere, often multiple rooms full of people, listening in to these calls. And that's just on the US side. NSA and CIA are listening to EVERYTHING the other side does all the time.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 31, 2019 01:29 PM (CQ3Qb)

I believe Trump has stated that there were 17 people, just on the American side, listening in to his Ukrainian call. Which is why it's ridiculous to think there was some blatant illegality going on.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 31, 2019 01:31 PM (Kpl3J)

168 I hate to be fair to Romney, but @SenRomney is a parody account.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 31, 2019 01:29 PM (Kpl3J)

__

Is it a real account? I just made that up.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:31 PM (FiUMj)

169 Hadrian, Congratulations, and Good Luck on the new job!

Posted by: Gref at October 31, 2019 01:31 PM (AMIL/)

170 Liars always make up specific details in order to prove just how reliable they are.

"See, if I remember that, then I can't be lying!"
Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at October 31, 2019 01:30 PM (qC1Sy)

From The Mikado:

"Merely corroborative detail, intended to give artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 31, 2019 01:31 PM (iJVGX)

171 For the 72872nd time, impeachment is not a legal process. It's a political process.

Yeah you keep saying this and I keep noting that Pelosi is NOT trying to impeach for not liking his tie. They are treating it as a legal issue and claiming illegality. And since that is the standard they are claiming and presenting this as, asking where the illegality is, is completely reasonable.
======
let me just say you are both right.

Its political. But the pretext is high crimes or misdemeanors.

Posted by: slick willie at October 31, 2019 01:31 PM (tYy0l)

172 yes vindman was lobbied by Ukraine's natural gas company, and a fringe Libyan political party of all things, (yes I took my new nic from the movie coriolianus, now on pluto tv)
Posted by: gaius martius at October 31, 2019 01:26 PM (x+C/t)

So, for the sake of continuity, what was your previous nic? Frequent nic-changers usually go on my ignore list.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 31, 2019 01:31 PM (/sgva)

173 167 There are usually a room full of people elsewhere, often multiple rooms full of people, listening in to these calls. And that's just on the US side. NSA and CIA are listening to EVERYTHING the other side does all the time.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 31, 2019 01:29 PM (CQ3Qb)

I believe Trump has stated that there were 17 people, just on the American side, listening in to his Ukrainian call. Which is why it's ridiculous to think there was some blatant illegality going on.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 31, 2019 01:31 PM (Kpl3J)

=======

He paid them off with a great economy and no more foreign wars.

Impeach!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at October 31, 2019 01:32 PM (q80AH)

174 Looks like McCarthy is got a short leash on his crew

If Ryan still had the tiller, OMG

Posted by: REDACTED at October 31, 2019 01:32 PM (rpxSz)

175 72 These people should be incinerated. Down to bone powder. Nothing else is just.
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at October 31, 2019 01:21 PM (JoUsr)

I thoroughly enjoy your jib and would very much like to allow you to send my browser notifications.

Posted by: ... at October 31, 2019 01:32 PM (PpNEU)

176 171 let me just say you are both right.

Its political. But the pretext is high crimes or misdemeanors.
Posted by: slick willie at October 31, 2019 01:31 PM (tYy0l)

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Until we get a definition of what high crimes and misdemeanors is, it's whatever the House wants it to be.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at October 31, 2019 01:32 PM (q80AH)

177 Every Prog that's involved in this kangaroo court should, from this day forward, be referred to as "Commissar."

Commissar Schiff. Commissar Nadler, etc and so on.

Every single time. Be as consistent as your enemy is. Or more so if possible.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at October 31, 2019 01:33 PM (HaL55)

178 Director of National Intelligence.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 31, 2019 01:31 PM (CQ3Qb)

Now THERE'S an oxymoron for ya.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 31, 2019 01:33 PM (iJVGX)

179 174 Looks like McCarthy is got a short leash on his crew

If Ryan still had the tiller, OMG
Posted by: REDACTED at October 31, 2019 01:32 PM (rpxSz)

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"That poor Paul Ryan, unable to control his caucus. I guess that just means that Republicans are unruly. He's doing his best."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at October 31, 2019 01:33 PM (q80AH)

180 Until we get a definition of what high crimes and misdemeanors is, it's whatever the House wants it to be.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

"High crimes" is shoplifting a bag of Doritos because you have the munchies.

Posted by: zombie at October 31, 2019 01:33 PM (fK2gX)

181 164 For the 72872nd time, impeachment is not a legal process. It's a
political process. Nancy could impeach because she doesn't like Trump's
tie selection. It literally can be for any reason.

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Remind me when "high crimes and misdemeanors" was removed from the constitution by amendment.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 31, 2019 01:31 PM (YslsA)

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Remind me where high crimes and misdemeanors was ever defined.

Here is how Websters defined it:

"Therefore, misdemeanor literally means bad behavior toward others".

It can be anything and everything anyone wants it to be.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:33 PM (FiUMj)

182

Fake News also told me John Bolton is ready to squeal on the president and Rudy.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 31, 2019 01:33 PM (+mII6)

183 177 Every Prog that's involved in this kangaroo court should, from this day forward, be referred to as "Commissar."

Commissar Schiff. Commissar Nadler, etc and so on.

Every single time. Be as consistent as your enemy is. Or more so if possible.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at October 31, 2019 01:33 PM (HaL55)

Or "comrade."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 31, 2019 01:33 PM (iJVGX)

184 At this point, what difference does it make?

*hic* *shart* *cackle*

Posted by: Wicked Hillary of the West Wing at October 31, 2019 01:34 PM (wo3c/)

185 I get where you're coming from. But are they claiming illegality? I keep hearing words like concerned and inappropriate. But have they actually said what he did is illegal? And I realize this is splitting hairs.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:30 PM (FiUMj)

Fredo Cuomo on his show openly said last month, on his show, what the Democrat's standard is. He said, with no shame or thought that he might be wrong, that Impeachment was intended for real crimes, it was intended for Political Crimes. What is a Political Crime? why whatever the Commissars say it is, of course.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 31, 2019 01:34 PM (Kpl3J)

186 180 Until we get a definition of what high crimes and misdemeanors is, it's whatever the House wants it to be.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

"High crimes" is shoplifting a bag of Doritos because you have the munchies.
Posted by: zombie at October 31, 2019 01:33 PM (fK2gX)

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The 28th Amendment, right there.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at October 31, 2019 01:34 PM (q80AH)

187 I lost track, I thought "whistle blower" Vindman only had second hand info .. was he listening to the call for some reason?

And I thought Vindman's lawyer stopped him from answering a question (about who he told about the call?) because Vindman is under investigation by Durham. (I think Jordan had that back and forth with the lawyer, but JJ gives us so many links for homework, I lost track of where I read/heard that.)

Jordan clarified with the lawyer "so he's not taking the fifth, you are not letting him answer because he is under investigation by Durham?" yes.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 31, 2019 01:34 PM (Cus5s)

188 Liars always make up specific details in order to prove just how reliable they are.

Yeah, its not that people cannot be precise in telling the truth, its that they tend to be vague at first, because the precision isn't the point, the memory is. When pressed on the memory, people will give more detail as they recall "I dunno, five or six times?"

Liars often start with precision, because they are trying to stop any question of their lie out the gate. Its a common tell of a lie: too precise, too many exact details.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 31, 2019 01:34 PM (KZzsI)

189 Conan is a girl? Well, I always thought bodybuilders acted kind of gay.

Posted by: Norm! at October 31, 2019 01:34 PM (v0R5T)

190 158- I like that.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at October 31, 2019 01:34 PM (87EdW)

191 I heard there was also a text to speech program involved so that would be five sources which contradict Vindman.

Posted by: Thatch at October 31, 2019 01:34 PM (n71wh)

192 158 119 A certain type of person (think high school sga) covers political power. This is why, generally, both parties are the same. The positions may be different, but the desires animating the people are the same- hence Ivanka's quote of TJ ringing so true. Every once in awhile a Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln type disupter comes along. Because he is not of the body, the antibodies kick in- he must be destroyed. These type of people should be structurally limited to as little power as possible. Which was, of course, the point.
Posted by: Farmer Bob
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I liken Trump to The Mule in Asimov's Foundation series. The disruptor that nobody could predict coming who turns the established order on it's head.
Posted by: Guzalot at October 31, 2019 01:30 PM (prSvo)

Except without the weird illusion harp. Which is actually too bad now that I think of it.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 31, 2019 01:35 PM (RD7QR)

193 i wrote that too fast, skipped a couple words.
Democrats: Impeachment was NOT intended for real crimes, it was intended for Political Crimes.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 31, 2019 01:35 PM (Kpl3J)

194 130 @SenRomney
6 minutes ago

A great day for our nation today. I applaud my fellow legislators in the House for performing their constitutional duty and proceeding with the inquiry into malfeasance on the part of the President.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:23 PM (FiUMj)

I'm getting to hate that cocksucker more and more every day.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Lurker or Delecto?

Posted by: x at October 31, 2019 01:35 PM (nFwvY)

195 It is getting to where I want to punch every lefty "Asscociate Bob" in the fucking mouth. (look it up)

Posted by: catman at October 31, 2019 01:35 PM (4HMlb)

196 Remember the outrage and horror when Limbaugh said he wanted Obama to fail?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 31, 2019 01:30 PM (KZzsI)

Remember how that blew up here? Good times.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 31, 2019 01:35 PM (j3npP)

197 UT must feel pretty good about some rich dickwad horning his way in as their Senator, just to attack the President

the pussyprick will never run for re-election, never meant to

just wanted to fuck with Trump

Posted by: REDACTED at October 31, 2019 01:35 PM (rpxSz)

198 let me just say you are both right.

Its political. But the pretext is high crimes or misdemeanors.
Posted by: slick willie at October 31, 2019 01:31 PM (tYy0l)

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Until we get a definition of what high crimes and misdemeanors is, it's whatever the House wants it to be.
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Never underestimate a Judge's desire to exert authority.

Posted by: Zombie Justice Marshall at October 31, 2019 01:36 PM (nUWbo)

199 Until we get a definition of what high crimes and misdemeanors is, it's whatever the House wants it to be.

Within limits. They have to under some legal concept be some form of crime. They cannot constitutionally and literally impeach the president for an ugly tie, because that's not constitutionally a crime or misdemeanor.

What a "high crime" or "misdemeanor" in this context means isn't exactly precise, although the founding fathers did actually write about it in the federalist and anti-federalist papers. But at the bare minimum, they mean criminal. And if no crime can be found just "well it was hinky" or "he didn't handle things properly" does not qualify.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 31, 2019 01:36 PM (KZzsI)

200 Was there ever any sourcing at all for the Trump asked seven times for Ukraine to make up stuff on Biden?

Because that was a weirdly specific claim.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at October 31, 2019 01:27 PM (mf5HN)

My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who heard Trump ask the Ukraine seven times to make stuff up on Biden. I guess it's pretty serious.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at October 31, 2019 01:37 PM (wCmLp)

201 "See, if I remember that, then I can't be lying!"

"Um, that's not what the recorded audio of the call says. Here, listen for yourself."

*motions for the two big dudes with the nice long overcoat to step closer...*

Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at October 31, 2019 01:37 PM (HaL55)

202 [Concur with your first sentence -- I've never been this fed-up in my life.]
Posted by: ShainS at October 31, 2019 01:23 PM (WqPYg)

Don't be fed up! They are trying to demoralize you. Enjoy every day Trump is in power. You have five more years. They wake up miserable every day, even when they are in power. Trump has a plan and it's going to be big and beautiful. Sit back and enjoy.

Posted by: ... at October 31, 2019 01:37 PM (PpNEU)

203 189 Conan is a girl? Well, I always thought bodybuilders acted kind of gay.
Posted by: Norm! at October 31, 2019 01:34 PM (v0R5T)

She's Conan the Barkbarian!

RANDOM MONGOLIAN: Conan! What is best in life?

CONAN: To puruse your enemy, see him cry like a little baby, and bite him on the testicles!

RANDOM MONGOLIAN: That is good. That is good.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 31, 2019 01:37 PM (RD7QR)

204
Trump grabed them by the mish and made them transcribe!

Posted by: #OrangeDogBad at October 31, 2019 01:37 PM (UFLLM)

205 @176

That is simply not true.

The idea that the founders would regard impeachment as YOLO, let you freak flag fly is ridiculous.

Everyone seems to get hung up on the word High Crime.

They turn their gaze to the heavens and cry, what did they mean, what did they mean?

What it means is that there actually has to be a serious crime and not some petty crime, like jay walking or some other bullshit and or there needs to be a serious infraction of the Presidents constitutional authority and powers.

Read notes on the constitution, this is all made crystal clear by the founders.

Posted by: Huxley's Eye Glass Emporium at October 31, 2019 01:37 PM (1+vZv)

206 Misdemeanor has a precise legal definition, as does high crime. Impeachment cannot be merely based on politics.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 31, 2019 01:37 PM (YslsA)

207 Even if it's a parody account, we should pin that on Romney anyway. You know he would say it. Make him wear it like a collar.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 31, 2019 01:37 PM (j3npP)

208 As an active duty army officer it enrages me that assholes like vindman are using the valor and integrity of military officers to push their political agenda.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 31, 2019 01:38 PM (Zqjk4)

209 Collins just subpoenaed* Schiff as a witness in a House Judiciary hearing.

Send moar popcorn!

*or something along those lines.

Posted by: henry at October 31, 2019 01:38 PM (J3Rfi)

210 >>Until we get a definition of what high crimes and misdemeanors is, it's whatever the House wants it to be.

"QUID PRO QUO!!!"
--- Democrats who believe a word/phrase = a crime

(see also: COLLUSION!)

Posted by: Lizzy at October 31, 2019 01:38 PM (bDqIh)

211 @199. I don't disagree with you. But some read it more broadly and even unbounded

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 31, 2019 01:38 PM (qsJge)

212 The problem is that the constitution is just an icon now, its a relic that we trot out and carry around the place, people feigning obeisance and reverence for it. Then its locked away again and everyone ignores it. The US Congress has not passed a budget since 2008, over a decade now. No budget at all. The US constitution directly and specifically orders the congress to pass a budget every year. They refuse to do so, because it is too politically costly to expose their specific spending ideas and debate them.

And that's just one of ten thousand ways the US Government simply ignores the constitution now, because we let them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 31, 2019 01:38 PM (KZzsI)

213 Rush or one of his staff must be reading AOS....he's pretty much reading Ace's post.

Posted by: BignJames at October 31, 2019 01:39 PM (X/Pw5)

214 Within limits. They have to under some legal concept be some form of crime. They cannot constitutionally and literally impeach the president for an ugly tie, because that's not constitutionally a crime or misdemeanor."

The House can vote to send an Impeachment to the Senate for anything they want, even an ugly tie, because there is no enforcement mechanism to stop them from doing so. The Senate is supposed to take it more seriously and evaluate whether or not there was a crime.

the only solution for both houses going bad is the next election. The only solution for rigged elections is the 2nd Amendment, vigorously applied.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 31, 2019 01:39 PM (Kpl3J)

215 208: I want to know where the UCMJ is.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 31, 2019 01:39 PM (3CqsF)

216 104 94 @SenRomney
6 minutes ago

It's not funny enough to be the Bee, so I have to assume it's real.

I hate to have to thank God this shit never got the Presidency.
Posted by: JEM at October 31, 2019 01:24 PM (8erNz)

Senator carpetbagger uses @MittRomney. And it doesn't even seem to be from the @senromney parody account. It's not funny because it's likely a lurking lurker original.

Posted by: Buzzion at October 31, 2019 01:39 PM (/nfJO)

217 Has any court ruled on the definition of a high crime/misdemeanor? If not, then it can be interpreted however the house wants.

Obviously it would be political stupidity to indict for an ugly tie. But it also means there doesn't have to be an accusation of something illegal to impeach.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:39 PM (FiUMj)

218 But the polls say you are bubble people. I was talking to Kurt earlier and we both agree that the polls say things to us that bubbles can't hear. Am I making any sense whatsoever? Because I really want you to see the reality.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:40 PM (CLteG)

219 Kodiak is too beautiful, and too close to civilization in Anchorage.

Thule Air Base, Greenland. He can be the point man for Trump's upcoming purchase of the whole island.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 31, 2019 01:31 PM (kw0bd)

Naw, some miserable rock in the Aleutian chain, home of some of the most miserable weather in the world. Give him a short-wave radio receiver powered by a hand crank, and orders to monitor Russian broadcasts and transcribe them. Food and heating fuel deliveries contingent on the volume and quality of the transcripts.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 31, 2019 01:40 PM (/sgva)

220 This is all getting so old. The big circus today left me feeling nothing. It was not a big deal, yet there will be millions that think it is - until they find out it isn't.

I truly believe Trump will win through this in the end. But the GOP must have his back. And that is the only wild card.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 31, 2019 01:40 PM (vEIlU)

221 CONAN: To puruse your enemy, see him cry like a little baby, and bite him on the testicles!
.......

then pee on their fire hydrants!

Posted by: wth at October 31, 2019 01:40 PM (v0R5T)

222 yes it didn't ring true, not the gatestone, not the house hearing, to me,

Posted by: gaius martius at October 31, 2019 01:40 PM (x+C/t)

223 >>Collins just subpoenaed* Schiff as a witness in a House Judiciary hearing.

WOW

Have they pissed off reliably GOPe '"bipartisan gang of N member " Collins again? Now THAT is how you can tell you've gone too far, Democrats.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 31, 2019 01:40 PM (bDqIh)

224
Read notes on the constitution, this is all made crystal clear by the founders.
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The constitution means whatever a majority of us say it means.

Posted by: US Suuuu--preme Court - never underestimate a Judge's desire to exert authority at October 31, 2019 01:40 PM (qni9p)

225 Think back over the last 200 years of our history, and think about the memories each of your families have of the men and women who were wounded or died fighting in America's wars.

Each of those people sacrificed for us, today, and for One Person One Vote, for Due Process, and for Freedom from Oppressive Government and Slavery.

Every single day, with every filthy word and deed, Schiff and his traitorous fucks spit on the memory of each of our ancestors who fought and sacrificed for us and our system of government, which is the best in world history.

What, I ask, should be the penalty for their behavior in trying to overthrow our system of government, for that is what they are doing? What should it be?

For me, it is obvious that we are not voting our way out of this mess.

Posted by: Sharkman at October 31, 2019 01:41 PM (QfqyL)

226 4 Ace-

You understand what you're saying about Vindman, and morally where that logic train leads?
Posted by: Tradd at October 31, 2019 01:11 PM (GSJcT)

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You understand where the idea that a person in uniform can do no wrong leads?

Posted by: MAGA at October 31, 2019 01:41 PM (3Rayp)

227 A great day for our nation today. I applaud my fellow legislators in

the House for performing their constitutional duty and proceeding with

the inquiry into malfeasance on the part of the President.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:23 PM (FiUMj)

I can't find this.
Posted by: Muad'dib at October 31, 2019 01:29 PM (sjdRT)

Of course it's a parody account...and look who originally posted it, a parody poster

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 31, 2019 01:41 PM (cEsBM)

228 It's not funny because it's likely a lurking lurker original.
Posted by: Buzzion at October 31, 2019 01:39 PM (/nfJO)

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I think you have a secret crush on me.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:41 PM (FiUMj)

229 >>Have they pissed off reliably GOPe '"bipartisan gang of N member " Collins again? Now THAT is how you can tell you've gone too far, Democrats.

Doug not Susan.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2019 01:41 PM (ZLI7S)

230 Members of the Military are not to be trusted, implicitly. Period.

Posted by: garrett at October 31, 2019 01:41 PM (uTLcA)

231 For those claiming erroneously that the House can impeach for whatever,

The wording of high crimes and misdemeanors is a limiting factor in the Constitution itself AND THAT IS SUPREME OVER THE HOUSE'S OWN RULES. The lesser cannot overrule the text of the Constitution itself.

Thus, if the conduct in question is not a crime then it is unconstitutional for the House to do it. Now, effectively, the Supreme Court has not weighed in on impeachment because of the political question doctrine but that does not mean that it cannot either. See for example, Powell v. McCormack where the Supreme Court ruled that that Congress had the power to expel someone but not to "exclude" them from a seat which the House and Senate had done for one hundred years prior.

Past procedure and practices governing impeachments have also indicated a similar result. Perhaps the impeachment of Associate Justice Chase for his judicial temperament due to differing political views comes closest to the mark and it failed in the Senate as it should have. Every president that has been impeached has been because they allegedly committed a crime--Tenure of Office Act, Perjury in a court proceeding, and Obstruction of Justice among other things. No such crime has been alleged here so far.

For those trying to argue that it is political, the answer is that it is the body of the legislature acting in a quasi judicial fashion and that key constitutional protections are not excluded from judicial review--see Nixon v. U.S. which suggests in obiter dictum that impeachment procedures regarding the President or Vice President would have a higher bar than that of impeaching a district court judge (the Nixon in the case) that was already sitting in prison convicted of crimes.

Posted by: whig at October 31, 2019 01:41 PM (MItID)

232 226
You understand where the idea that a person in uniform can do no wrong leads?
Posted by: MAGA at October 31, 2019 01:41 PM (3Rayp)

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You know who also wore a uniform?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at October 31, 2019 01:42 PM (q80AH)

233 ...Because I really want you to see the reality.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:40 PM (CLteG)

There he goes with that 'reality' shit again.

Posted by: DR.WTF at October 31, 2019 01:42 PM (aS1PU)

234 Hadrian, Congratulations, and Good Luck on the new job!
Posted by: Gref at October 31, 2019 01:31 PM (AMIL/)

Hadrian got the new job? Cool!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 31, 2019 01:42 PM (/sgva)

235 Don't steal the dumbasses name. That's just going to get you banned instead

Posted by: Buzzion at October 31, 2019 01:42 PM (/nfJO)

236 >>Vindman is a liar and a leaker. It's a non-stop train.

That man has no dick!

Posted by: garrett at October 31, 2019 01:42 PM (uTLcA)

237 Collins just subpoenaed* Schiff as a witness in a House Judiciary hearing.

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Schiff has instructed himself not to answer questions, as he hasn't given himself permission to do so.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at October 31, 2019 01:42 PM (JoUsr)

238 218 But the polls say you are bubble people. I was talking to Kurt earlier and we both agree that the polls say things to us that bubbles can't hear. Am I making any sense whatsoever? Because I really want you to see the reality.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:40 PM (CLteG)

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I thought socking people with their real names was a no-no here?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:42 PM (FiUMj)

239 You understand what you're saying about Vindman, and morally where that logic train leads?
Posted by: Tradd

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Having him shot as a spy works for me.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 31, 2019 01:42 PM (YslsA)

240 Kodiak is too beautiful, and too close to civilization in Anchorage.

Thule Air Base, Greenland. He can be the point man for Trump's upcoming purchase of the whole island.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 31, 2019 01:31 PM (kw0bd)

Naw, some miserable rock in the Aleutian chain, home of some of the most miserable weather in the world. Give him a short-wave radio receiver powered by a hand crank, and orders to monitor Russian broadcasts and transcribe them. Food and heating fuel deliveries contingent on the volume and quality of the transcripts.
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He will not survive long. Is called Kodiak for reason.

Posted by: Kodiak Island is named for the bears at October 31, 2019 01:42 PM (9krWy)

241 Alrighty then. Do I believe a former Speaker, and the one moving forward now, or an AOC commenter.

Posted by: Olivia Thirlby's bicycle seat. at October 31, 2019 01:43 PM (Bf3hj)

242 How an Ugly Tie can be a crime: That tie was so ugly I had to go home and couldn't even vote in Congress today! Trump did that on purpose - that's Obstruction of Justice!!!! IMPEACH!!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 31, 2019 01:43 PM (Kpl3J)

243 Liars often start with precision, because they are trying to stop any question of their lie out the gate. Its a common tell of a lie: too precise, too many exact details.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 31, 2019 01:34 PM (KZzsI)

When someone claims to remember some obscure thing in excruciating detail, it's fun to ask them what happened the day before that.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 31, 2019 01:43 PM (iJVGX)

244 Sat Cong.

Posted by: Escape From Castle Spatchcockenstein at October 31, 2019 01:43 PM (BrfST)

245 The House can vote to send an Impeachment to the Senate for anything they want, even an ugly tie, because there is no enforcement mechanism to stop them from doing so.

Oh, there is, but we're not exercising it. So effectively you're right, they can. They can declare white men illegal and ban free speech too, for that matter. They can require everyone to sacrifice their first born child to Dagon.

They CAN do anything they want. The discussion is about what is legally permissible.

You understand what you're saying about Vindman, and morally where that logic train leads?

"morally where that logic train leads??" what on earth does that even mean

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 31, 2019 01:43 PM (KZzsI)

246 235 Don't steal the dumbasses name. That's just going to get you banned instead
Posted by: Buzzion at October 31, 2019 01:42 PM (/nfJO)

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You get banned, sort of, by hash, not by the name.

And Ace has cleared stealing the nics of trolls.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at October 31, 2019 01:43 PM (q80AH)

247 so I guess Vindman was just reading the transcript, then arguing Trump said something else ... even though he hadn't heard the actual call. (so he is guilty of trying to invent propaganda and change evidence) And his evidence of a coverup is they started to secure the transcripts -- done so assholes like him couldn't keep leaking and trying to change the evidence in hand.

AND he was transferring the info to others (he claims they had clearance) ... which muddies the trail of who committed the criminal leaking to the media.

I'm trying to keep up ... ha.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 31, 2019 01:43 PM (Cus5s)

248 There's a really easy solution to this issue and the FBI transcribing interviews and altering it. Fucking record it instead.

Why do 4 people need to transcribe phone calls? Is this some government jobs program?

Maybe have one person record and document the details that the recording is accurate?

Everything the government does is an absolute mess.

Posted by: Blago at October 31, 2019 01:43 PM (vJkVR)

249 >>I thought socking people with their real names was a no-no here?

It is. So is trolling.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2019 01:43 PM (ZLI7S)

250 You understand where the idea that a person in uniform can do no wrong leads?

My Orifices!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at October 31, 2019 01:43 PM (UFLLM)

251 Members of the Military are not to be trusted, implicitly. Period.
Posted by: garrett at October 31, 2019 01:41 PM (uTLcA)

Yup. Anyone who has served knows that there are assholes and dickweeds in the military, same as any other society; and like any other society, all too often the assholes and dickweeds stomp on their subordinates to climb the ranks.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at October 31, 2019 01:43 PM (xPJvm)

252 Maybe the SCOTUS will step in and stop this kinda BS

They could, ya know

Posted by: REDACTED at October 31, 2019 01:43 PM (rpxSz)

253 >>I thought socking people with their real names was a no-no here?

It is. But they also allow Carrots as a Chili Ingredient...so,

Posted by: garrett at October 31, 2019 01:44 PM (uTLcA)

254 All this shows is that Morrison and the transcribers are all Ukrainian assets.

Hmmm. Morrison and the Transcribers should be a band name.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 31, 2019 01:44 PM (NWiLs)

255 It is. So is trolling.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2019 01:43 PM (ZLI7S)

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Ahh we're back to "if you have an opinion different than mine you must be a troll" thingie. LOL

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:44 PM (FiUMj)

256 source with knowledge of the testimony in these fake impeachment hearings tells me that there were four professional transcribers who were listening in on the call, for purposes of preparing a written transcript. The four people wrote down what they each heard, then brought their transcriptions together, harmonized them, and decided as a group what the best transcript of the call was.

so... Tatian of Adiabene?

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at October 31, 2019 01:44 PM (6o4iA)

257 252 Maybe the SCOTUS will step in and stop this kinda BS

They could, ya know
Posted by: REDACTED at October 31, 2019 01:43 PM (rpxSz)

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Someone would have to bring a suit to them.

A fight over House rules won't turn into a lawsuit.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at October 31, 2019 01:44 PM (q80AH)

258
But trolling trolls is encouraged!

Posted by: Pendulous Richard at October 31, 2019 01:44 PM (UFLLM)

259 Anyone who has served knows that there are assholes and dickweeds in the military, same as any other society; and like any other society, all too often the assholes and dickweeds stomp on their subordinates to climb the ranks.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at October 31, 2019 01:43 PM (xPJvm)

Yup.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 31, 2019 01:44 PM (cEsBM)

260 Carrots in chili is no bueno? Da fuq kinda rules is that?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:44 PM (FiUMj)

261 Vindman probably isn't lying per se about anything ... but people, especially it seems "elites" living very verbal skill reliant lives, have serious problems with re-ordering conversations/text to fit their preferred narratives rather than reality.

What is literally every outrage about an obvious Trump joke statement, but the supposed verbal-cogno elites re-imagining the meaning of Trump's words as serious/nefarious?

So, no particular reason why Vindman wouldn't be prone to re-imagine Trump's telephone conversation with Ukranians to be nefarious.

Feed that re-imagined convo into the mix with a little anti-Trump clique of Deep Staters, and it'll take about 5 minutes for them all to convince themselves "This is worse than Watergate!"

Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at October 31, 2019 01:45 PM (hdzef)

262 254 All this shows is that Morrison and the transcribers are all Ukrainian assets.

Hmmm. Morrison and the Transcribers should be a band name.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 31, 2019 01:44 PM (NWiLs)

They would just sing about how depressed they are.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 31, 2019 01:45 PM (RD7QR)

263 October 31, 2019 1:26PM

The identity of the whistleblower behind the Ukraine hoax has reportedly been revealed as CIA officer Eric Ciaramella, a registered Democrat who worked with former Vice President Joe Biden and former CIA Director John Brennan.

Lolgf.

Posted by: Some other guy not that other one at October 31, 2019 01:45 PM (EyFCU)

264 Bill Barr was surprised to find out JR's shooter was known?
:/

Posted by: Olivia Thirlby's bicycle seat. at October 31, 2019 01:45 PM (Bf3hj)

265 It's getting real tiresome and also keeps repeating itself.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 31, 2019 01:45 PM (cEsBM)

266 Collins just subpoenaed* Schiff as a witness in a House Judiciary hearing.

So Senators now participate in House committee meetings?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 31, 2019 01:45 PM (iJVGX)

267 I could go for some chili for lunch today now that you mention it.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:45 PM (FiUMj)

268 >>Ahh we're back to "if you have an opinion different than mine you must be a troll" thingie. LOL

No, we aren't back to that at all. People have different opinions in here everyday.

Trolling is something completely different. See if you can figure out what it is.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2019 01:45 PM (ZLI7S)

269 >>I thought socking people with their real names was a no-no here?

Yep - ever since Ace socked and then banned himself.

Posted by: Roy at October 31, 2019 01:45 PM (2SB+z)

270 266 Collins just subpoenaed* Schiff as a witness in a House Judiciary hearing.

So Senators now participate in House committee meetings?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 31, 2019 01:45 PM (iJVGX)

==========

It is impossible for two people to share the same last name.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at October 31, 2019 01:45 PM (q80AH)

271 One of the detail from the Clinton-Lewinsky Scandal was that Monica would give Bill blowjobs WHILE HE WAS ON THE PHONE with world leaders.

*********

Hence the term 'Dictaphone'

Posted by: Muldoon at October 31, 2019 01:45 PM (mvenn)

272 ALL organizations ... something,something

Posted by: garrett at October 31, 2019 01:46 PM (uTLcA)

273 @IvankaTrump

"...surrounded by enemies and spies catching and perverting every word that falls from my lips or flows from my pen, and inventing where facts fail them." - Thomas Jefferson's reflections on Washington, D.C. in a letter to his daughter Martha.
Some things never change, dad!
Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at October 31, 2019 01:20 PM (G546f)

Very sweet, and a good reminder that politics has always been extremely foul and nasty.

Posted by: LASue at October 31, 2019 01:46 PM (Ed8Zd)

274 It's not funny because it's likely a lurking lurker original.
Posted by: Buzzion at October 31, 2019 01:39 PM (/nfJO)

___
I think you have a secret crush on me.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker

==========
He asked me to ask you if you would send him pictures of the Winona costume you'll be wearing tonight.

Check yes or no

Posted by: Simplemind at October 31, 2019 01:46 PM (tYy0l)

275 THREE YEARS
WHERE ARE THE INDICTMENTS

Posted by: Olivia Thirlby's bicycle seat. at October 31, 2019 01:46 PM (Bf3hj)

276 Looks like an all-day post-a-thon for Lurking Lurker. He actually has two comments in a row above LOL. Cucks gonna cuck.

Posted by: Deep Static at October 31, 2019 01:46 PM (4Eo4+)

277 >>So Senators now participate in House committee meetings?

Rep Doug Collins.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2019 01:46 PM (ZLI7S)

278 Has any court ruled on the definition of a high crime/misdemeanor? If not, then it can be interpreted however the house wants.

Obviously it would be political stupidity to indict for an ugly tie.
But it also means there doesn't have to be an accusation of something
illegal to impeach.

Bullshit. Both qualifications mentioned, "high crimes and misdemeanors" are clearly criminal in nature. That is the only qualification mentioned.

It's simply a classification. If that were not in there, then impeachments could be for anything the House wants. But that's not what it says.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at October 31, 2019 01:47 PM (HaL55)

279 Still do not believe they will vote on articles of impeachment. Maybe my head is in the sand.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at October 31, 2019 01:47 PM (wGbBR)

280 134 Was there ever any sourcing at all for the Trump asked seven times for Ukraine to make up stuff on Biden?

Does Biden have some other sons we are not aware of?

Posted by: Seven Bribes for Seven Brothers at October 31, 2019 01:47 PM (Vy7tf)

281 Not sure who has a bigger crush on me, Buzzion, NGU or JackStraw.

I'm honored and flattered though by all of you. Gracias.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:47 PM (FiUMj)

282 My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who heard Trump ask the Ukraine seven times to make stuff up on Biden. I guess it's pretty serious.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at October 31, 2019 01:37 PM

Thank you, Simone...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 31, 2019 01:47 PM (ejd/p)

283 They Mis W's Demeanor of never punching back.

Posted by: DaveA at October 31, 2019 01:47 PM (FhXTo)

284 246 235 Don't steal the dumbasses name. That's just going to get you banned instead
Posted by: Buzzion at October 31, 2019 01:42 PM (/nfJO)

========

You get banned, sort of, by hash, not by the name.

And Ace has cleared stealing the nics of trolls.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at October 31, 2019 01:

He doesn't always rise to the level of troll. Boring tedious humorless and should go away and leave us all alone? Yes. But why tempt fate early and risk getting a nuking yourself.

Posted by: Buzzion at October 31, 2019 01:47 PM (/nfJO)

285 It is impossible for two people to share the same last name.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at October 31, 2019 01:45 PM (q80AH)

Ah.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 31, 2019 01:47 PM (iJVGX)

286 They would just sing about how depressed they are.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 31, 2019 01:45 PM (RD7QR)

I dunno. Maybe they could do turbo-folk.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 31, 2019 01:47 PM (NWiLs)

287

OMG Ivanka Trump is comparing her father to Thomas Jefferson!!

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 31, 2019 01:48 PM (+mII6)

288 Does Biden have some other sons we are not aware of?

not sure about sons but grandkids DEFINITELY

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 31, 2019 01:48 PM (Rarvo)

289 256 source with knowledge of the testimony in these fake impeachment hearings tells me that there were four professional transcribers who were listening in on the call, for purposes of preparing a written transcript. The four people wrote down what they each heard, then brought their transcriptions together, harmonized them, and decided as a group what the best transcript of the call was.

so... Tatian of Adiabene?
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at October 31, 2019 01:44 PM (6o4iA)

[Golf clap]

Posted by: The Apostolic Fathers at October 31, 2019 01:48 PM (RD7QR)

290 I can't help but think this goes back to when Trump abruptly and very publicly aborted Pelosi's "fact-finding" junket to the Middle East about 6 months ago, when we were entertained by the visuals of all of her luggage piled up in the Capitol building. She is a very spiteful and small-minded woman and this could be what she has been seething over for the best part of the year - and nothing larger than that.

Posted by: washrivergal at October 31, 2019 01:48 PM (xlprn)

291 You understand where the idea that a person in uniform can do no wrong leads?
Posted by: MAGA

Leads To Nuremberg trials.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 31, 2019 01:48 PM (oUkrT)

292 >>OMG Ivanka Trump is comparing her father to Thomas Jefferson!!

Jefferson was a fag.

Posted by: Zombie Hamilton at October 31, 2019 01:48 PM (uTLcA)

293
Where is the outrage, people!?!!!

Trump's white stormtroopers released attack dogs on children of color!!!!!

Posted by: #OrangeDogBad at October 31, 2019 01:48 PM (UFLLM)

294 Military service makes you beyond reproach, unless you're not on Team Deep State.
Posted by: Geraldo Rivera at October 31, 2019 01:18 PM (I2dne)

NOW he tells me.

Posted by: Zombie Benedict Arnold at October 31, 2019 01:49 PM (iJVGX)

295 It's simply a classification. If that were not in there, then impeachments could be for anything the House wants. But that's not what it says.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at October 31, 2019 01:47 PM (HaL55)

The weakness is that there's nothing to stop the House from doing it, other than the Senate saying "this is stupid, we're tossing it out."

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 31, 2019 01:49 PM (Kpl3J)

296 Something I've not seen in all this is that no one seems to have picked up that Lt. Col. Vindman was seconded to the Trump NSC by Director Brennan at the start of the Trump Administration, and was then fired within four months, and sent back to the CIA.
In all the chaos of a new Administration taking over, and unfilled positions everywhere, and hundreds / thousands of people unsure what their duties and tasks are, and more chaos and more chaos....
....in all of this chaos our buddy Vindman stood out as such a crappy performer as to get fired. It takes a real s**theel to achieve that.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at October 31, 2019 01:49 PM (17+9D)

297 Hmmm. Morrison and the Transcribers should be a band name.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 31, 2019 01:44 PM (NWiLs)

Have to be a cover band.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes - the Housekeeper at October 31, 2019 01:49 PM (IttZ7)

298 She is a very spiteful and small-minded woman and this could be what she has been seething over for the best part of the year - and nothing larger than that.

oh God thanks for reminding me about that.

that was a smile

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 31, 2019 01:49 PM (Rarvo)

299 280 134 Was there ever any sourcing at all for the Trump asked seven times for Ukraine to make up stuff on Biden?

Does Biden have some other sons we are not aware of?
Posted by: Seven Bribes for Seven Brothers at October 31, 2019 01:47 PM (Vy7tf)

Considering all the molesting Joe has done this is distinctly possible.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at October 31, 2019 01:49 PM (RD7QR)

300
Hadrian got the new job? Cool!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 31, 2019 01:42 PM (/sgva)

Yes, but I'm taking a huge pay cut. At 63 years old, though, beggars can't be choosers.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 31, 2019 01:49 PM (7rVsF)

301 Does Biden have some other sons we are not aware of?

I bet law enforcement is aware of them.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 31, 2019 01:50 PM (iJVGX)

302 Of course not. We've all read the transcript. There's literally nothing to talk about here.

Posted by: Chris W at October 31, 2019 01:50 PM (TlL+m)

303 261, He's lying. He tried to change the transcript to match his claims. The overwhelming probability is that he is dirty in that he consulted with Ukraine to overcome U.S. policy and he has admitted discussion secret matters with those not cleared to receive them.

He should be court martialled and stripped of rank. His offense is much more severe because it strikes at the heart of civilian control of the military than the guy at Kings Bay taking pix of his sub. One is a constitutional crisis, the other is a unintended disclosure of secrets.

Posted by: whig at October 31, 2019 01:50 PM (MItID)

304 I wonder if we have another chemistry professor here?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 31, 2019 01:50 PM (cEsBM)

305 Bullshit. Both qualifications mentioned, "high crimes and misdemeanors" are clearly criminal in nature. That is the only qualification mentioned.

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If you say so.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y3xspl44

"Among words that name crimes, misdemeanor gets off easy. Today it officially designates a minor legal offense, but in the past it had meanings that could refer either to very major acts or things not even punishable by law."

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:50 PM (FiUMj)

306 I thought socking people with their real names was a no-no here?
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:42 PM (FiUMj)

Lurking Lurker is your real name? Gee, life must have been a bitch for you in high school.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 31, 2019 01:50 PM (/sgva)

307 290
I can't help but think this goes back to when Trump abruptly and very
publicly aborted Pelosi's "fact-finding" junket to the Middle East about
6 months ago, when we were entertained by the visuals of all of her
luggage piled up in the Capitol building. She is a very spiteful and
small-minded woman and this could be what she has been seething over for
the best part of the year - and nothing larger than that.

Posted by: washrivergal at October 31, 2019 01:48 PM (xlprn)

Perhaps. And there will be other Congressional junkets where he can do the exact same thing. In fact, PDT should derail every single one of them from now until he leaves office.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 31, 2019 01:50 PM (N39Ws)

308 As to what the House can do - look at what they just did this morning. Gave Adam Schiff completely unconstitutional powers as a Stealth Special Investigator with the ability to shut down all questions he doesn't want heard. There's no way that is "legal" under the Constitution, but Nanzi's House just went ahead and did it anyways.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 31, 2019 01:51 PM (Kpl3J)

309 You know one of the worst things about this clusterfuck of treason is that it has eliminated the nearly reflexive good will that the FBI and especially the Military enjoyed.

You have people who have supported the military forever having to make the perfectly reasonable argument that not everyone in the military is honorable. It has always been true but it is unfortunate that is has changed.

Posted by: not so at October 31, 2019 01:51 PM (HALdu)

310 OMG Ivanka Trump is comparing her father to Thomas Jefferson!!

Jefferson was a fag.

Posted by: Zombie Hamilton
=======
And his shit was all retarded.

Posted by: Zombie Adams at October 31, 2019 01:51 PM (qni9p)

311 >>I wonder if we have another chemistry professor here?

They were conceived in the same Erlenmyer Flask.

Posted by: garrett at October 31, 2019 01:51 PM (uTLcA)

312 >>>I thought socking people with their real names was a no-no here?<<<

You get your own troll with a platinum level membership. Congratulations!

Posted by: Fritz at October 31, 2019 01:51 PM (wo3c/)

313 304 I wonder if we have another chemistry professor here?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 31, 2019 01:50 PM (cEsBM)

Because of the "LCMS Rulz?" I wondered about that, too.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 31, 2019 01:51 PM (iJVGX)

314 271 One of the detail from the Clinton-Lewinsky Scandal was that Monica would give Bill blowjobs WHILE HE WAS ON THE PHONE with world leaders.

*********

Hence the term 'Dictaphone'
Posted by: Muldoon at October 31, 2019 01:45 PM (mvenn)

Monica use Dictate in a sentence

The President Dictate real good.

Posted by: rhennigantx dont californicate my TEXAS at October 31, 2019 01:52 PM (JFO2v)

315 261, He's lying. He tried to change the transcript to match his claims. The overwhelming probability is that he is dirty in that he consulted with Ukraine to overcome U.S. policy and he has admitted discussion secret matters with those not cleared to receive them.

He should be court martialled and stripped of rank. His offense is much more severe because it strikes at the heart of civilian control of the military than the guy at Kings Bay taking pix of his sub. One is a constitutional crisis, the other is a unintended disclosure of secrets.
Posted by: whig at October 31, 2019 01:50 PM (MItID)

Hang him. We need an example and you have to start somewhere.

Posted by: not so at October 31, 2019 01:52 PM (HALdu)

316 >>As to what the House can do - look at what they just did this morning. Gave Adam Schiff completely unconstitutional powers as a Stealth Special Investigator with the ability to shut down all questions he doesn't want heard. There's no way that is "legal" under the Constitution, but Nanzi's House just went ahead and did it anyways.

Shows just how desperate they are to keep this joke alive.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2019 01:52 PM (ZLI7S)

317 You have people who have supported the military forever having to make the perfectly reasonable argument that not everyone in the military is honorable. It has always been true but it is unfortunate that is has changed.

this is very true; but remember for the true enemy, the stateless, globalist Left, this is THE ENTIRE POINT

you will also be rootless, with nothing of which to be proud

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 31, 2019 01:52 PM (Rarvo)

318 Okay Horde, I really do have to work.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at October 31, 2019 01:52 PM (RD7QR)

319 Yes, but I'm taking a huge pay cut. At 63 years old, though, beggars can't be choosers.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 31, 2019 01:49 PM (7rVsF)

But being at work again expands your opportunities to network, and perhaps snag a better job.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 31, 2019 01:52 PM (/sgva)

320 I thought socking people with their real names was a no-no here?
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:42 PM (FiUMj)

It has the same consequences as posting on an old thread, banning.

Posted by: Surfperch at October 31, 2019 01:52 PM (htJYU)

321 Goering wore a uniform: Lots of uniforms: He designed them himself

didn't end well.........

Posted by: Andersonville Cooper Vanderbilt Gettysburg at October 31, 2019 01:52 PM (8KSPd)

322 244 Sat Cong.
Posted by: Escape From Castle Spatchcockenstein at October 31, 2019 01:43 PM (BrfST)

completely agree.

Posted by: StrategicCorporalUSMC at October 31, 2019 01:53 PM (CPbFX)

323 295 It's simply a classification. If that were not in there, then impeachments could be for anything the House wants. But that's not what it says.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at October 31, 2019 01:47 PM (HaL55)

The weakness is that there's nothing to stop the House from doing it, other than the Senate saying "this is stupid, we're tossing it out."
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 31, 2019 01:49 PM (Kpl3J)

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The split is between "lawful" or "constitutional" and "political reality".

In lawful terms, I agree with one side. Impeachment really should be focused on an actual illegal act. An act in direct contravention of an established law of the United States government. "High" is the determination of the House, not "high crimes and misdemeanors".

However, the political reality side of the argument goes in the exact opposite direction. If a president is unpopular enough that the House will impeach and the Senate will convict on a spurious charge (like a bad tie), then that's that. The impeached and convicted president will take a lawsuit to SCOTUS challenging the results, saying that it's unconstitutional because have a bad tie isn't a "high crime or misdemeanor", but at that point, the specific charge isn't important. The mood of the nation is so soured on the president that SCOTUS, the third co-equal branch, won't sacrifice it's ability to function in the federal government by making such an unpopular move as to reinstate a convicted president.

That's my read, at least.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at October 31, 2019 01:53 PM (q80AH)

324 I barely passed chemistry in high school. Well maybe not barely passed, I don't remember what grade I got. But I remember really hating it and never went back for more. Same with biology.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:53 PM (FiUMj)

325 this is very true; but remember for the true enemy, the stateless, globalist Left, this is THE ENTIRE POINT

you will also be rootless, with nothing of which to be proud
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 31, 2019 01:52 PM (Rarvo)

Democrats and liberals destroy everything they touch.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 31, 2019 01:53 PM (Kpl3J)

326 You know how to tell the difference between a Teamster and a chemist?

Ask him to pronounce "unionized."

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes - the Housekeeper at October 31, 2019 01:53 PM (IttZ7)

327 Oddly, MSDNC/CNBC/CBS/ABC/FacebookGooogle doesn't mention this testimony.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 31, 2019 01:53 PM (NVYyb)

328 I got banned (for a day) for socking DarkLord, a much worse troll. I admitted at the time it was a stupid thing to do. don't sock the jerk who should lurk more even if he is a jerk (which he is).

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at October 31, 2019 01:53 PM (6o4iA)

329 That's my read, at least.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Just All about the Billy Wilder movies at October 31, 2019 01:53 PM (q80AH)

___

Good take on it.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:54 PM (FiUMj)

330 134 Was there ever any sourcing at all for the Trump asked seven times for Ukraine to make up stuff on Biden?

I gave instructions on baking a cake.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid. at October 31, 2019 01:54 PM (Vy7tf)

331 what Congress CAN do and what they can CONSTITUTIONALLY do are different things. They rigged an election for crime boss Hillary, and are trying to take our guns, and judges block Trump on border control ... what they will get away with is the question.

Public Opinion is their moving target ... and as they win on that battlefront, they are perfectly willing to ignore the constitution, with SCOTUS possibly constraining them. If they don't the people have to rise up again , and throw off another government. (or sink back into the tyrannical mud of the swamp, and globalist control over time)

Posted by: illiniwek at October 31, 2019 01:55 PM (Cus5s)

332 324 I barely passed chemistry in high school. Well maybe not barely passed, I don't remember what grade I got. But I remember really hating it and never went back for more. Same with biology.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:53 PM (FiUMj)

We found my MIL report cards after she died. Blew up chem lab TWICE in HS.

Not bragging but I got a 5 on the AP Bio test.

Posted by: rhennigantx dont californicate my TEXAS at October 31, 2019 01:55 PM (JFO2v)

333
A SEAL dog once bit my sister!

Posted by: #OrangeDogBad at October 31, 2019 01:55 PM (UFLLM)

334 328 I got banned (for a day) for socking DarkLord, a much worse troll. I admitted at the time it was a stupid thing to do. don't sock the jerk who should lurk more even if he is a jerk (which he is).
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at October 31, 2019 01:53 PM (6o4iA)

So this one time in banned camp...

Posted by: rhennigantx dont californicate my TEXAS at October 31, 2019 01:56 PM (JFO2v)

335 Trolling is something completely different. See if you can figure out what it is.

I'm not trollin'. I'm Boxxy, see?!

Posted by: Boxxy at October 31, 2019 01:56 PM (BrfST)

336 326 You know how to tell the difference between a Teamster and a chemist?

Ask him to pronounce "unionized."

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes - the Housekeeper at October 31, 2019 01:53 PM (IttZ7)

Yep.

Or use the term "mother liquor." If he doesn't laugh, he's a chemist.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 31, 2019 01:56 PM (iJVGX)

337
Can you impeach for high indiscretions and peccadillos?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 31, 2019 01:56 PM (7rVsF)

338 I reread the transcript.

Trump asked the Ukraine guy about Crowdstrike and if they have the server, and then mentioned the prosecutor who was looking into Burisma and Joe Biden got fired, mentioned he got a raw deal. The Ukrainian president said he agreed. Trump also said the ambassador was bad; that too seems common knowledge

This whole portion of the conversation was about the end of the Mueller investigation/ report, and the new investigation into where it all started -Crowdestrike, etc. Barr obviously is investigating that. Nothing Trump said or implied could reasonably be interpreted as asking a foreign country to investigate Joe Biden. Now I need to find Shciff's fake report of this innocuous call....

Posted by: LASue at October 31, 2019 01:56 PM (Ed8Zd)

339 He's lying. He tried to change the transcript to match his claims. The overwhelming probability is that he is dirty in that he consulted with Ukraine to overcome U.S. policy and he has admitted discussion secret matters with those not cleared to receive them.

He should be court martialled and stripped of rank. His offense is much more severe because it strikes at the heart of civilian control of the military than the guy at Kings Bay taking pix of his sub. One is a constitutional crisis, the other is a unintended disclosure of secrets.
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His brother is a Ukrainian banker and does a lot of business with Burisma. Its crooked cover up big time.

Also, Schiff read his fake telephone call, knowing the transcript was already released why?

Why would he do that?

One reason would be that he fully expected that there would be a revision to the transcript that would justify his narrative. How could he know that you might ask . . .

Posted by: simplemind at October 31, 2019 01:56 PM (9krWy)

340 I wonder if we have another chemistry professor here?

Isn't some understanding of the Mailliard Reaction expected of a chemistry professor?

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at October 31, 2019 01:57 PM (L/GA3)

341 my mum sploded the lab during the Missile Crisis. I understand that the authorities were. . . unamused

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at October 31, 2019 01:57 PM (6o4iA)

342 did I mention mum was living in the Caribbean at the time?

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at October 31, 2019 01:58 PM (6o4iA)

343

Anyone know if Merovign is still alive?

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 31, 2019 01:58 PM (+mII6)

344 Isn't some understanding of the Mailliard Reaction expected of a chemistry professor?

White racist.

What really matters is, does the food FEEL brown?

Posted by: #OrangeDogBad at October 31, 2019 01:58 PM (UFLLM)

345 Can you smell what the Schiff has been cooking?

Posted by: simplemind at October 31, 2019 01:58 PM (MwihM)

346 306 I thought socking people with their real names was a no-no here?
Posted by: Lurking Lurrker - Not In My Purrview at October 31, 2019 01:42 PM

Very well. I will just go back to being Kurt.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 01:58 PM (CLteG)

347
Or use the term "mother liquor." If he doesn't laugh, he's a chemist.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 31, 2019 01:56 PM (iJVGX)

At a dog show a guy can say, "Wow! Check out the rear on that bitch!" and no one turns a hair.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 31, 2019 01:58 PM (7rVsF)

348 Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 31, 2019 01:49 PM

Congrats on the new job, Hadrian.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 31, 2019 01:58 PM (ejd/p)

349 BREAKING: Dispatch loses four of it's sixteen readers in protest over NeverTrumper idiocy. "It's just gone too far!" says intern and reader, Xan DiSanctis of Cabin John, Md. "I liked it at first, but now its mostly same-old dog videos and cumbersome parodies of Trump" says J.L. Gavora of Washington.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 31, 2019 01:59 PM (NVYyb)

350 If the transcribers are women (or maybe even if just 1 is), under Democrat party rules, they gotta be believed on that basis alone.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 31, 2019 01:59 PM (KAi1n)

351 Can you impeach for high indiscretions and peccadillos?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 31, 2019 01:56 PM (7rVsF)
........

No but you can for quirks and foibles.

Posted by: wth at October 31, 2019 01:59 PM (v0R5T)

352 The whole idea that the President can't make calls to foreing leaders without minions from the Deep State listening in and reporting back innuendo to their handlers is disgusting.

They want to place the President in a Cone of Silence: cant talk to your lawyers because they'll ignore the privilege, can't talk to foreign leaders because they wont trust our confidentiality, etc etc.

As to inability to speak frankly with foreign leaders, and gain their trust in our confidence, this kind of barrier to talk is what can start an honest to God shooting war. Maybe Trump needs an updated "Daisy" ad to clarify matters.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at October 31, 2019 01:59 PM (koNhm)

353 The mood of the nation is so soured on the president that SCOTUS, the third co-equal branch, won't sacrifice it's ability to function in the federal government by making such an unpopular move as to reinstate a convicted president."

A good example, which I'm sure you've run across, is the Supreme Court's reaction to the suspension of Habeus Corpus in Maryland by Lincoln, in 1863. Yes, the Supreme Court found that was an Unconstitutional act and overturned it - but only after the War was over and Lincoln had already been dead for 2 years.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 31, 2019 01:59 PM (Kpl3J)

354 I think Lurker has a good point about chili.

Posted by: Kurt at October 31, 2019 01:59 PM (CLteG)

355 Isn't some understanding of the Mailliard Reaction expected of a chemistry professor?
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at October 31, 2019 01:57 PM (L/GA3)

Save it for CBD's cooking thread.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 31, 2019 02:00 PM (iJVGX)

356 Can you smell what the Schiff has been cooking?

Hmm, smells like a bag of flaming poo. He can't be cooking up anything palatable with that.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at October 31, 2019 02:00 PM (HaL55)

357

Mind you, SEAL Dog bites can be pretty nasty...

Posted by: #OrangeDogBad at October 31, 2019 02:00 PM (UFLLM)

358 Can you impeach for high indiscretions and peccadillos?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 31, 2019 01:56 PM (7rVsF)

Those are actually requirements to run for office in Italy.

Posted by: Roy at October 31, 2019 02:00 PM (2SB+z)

359 344 Isn't some understanding of the Mailliard Reaction expected of a chemistry professor?

White racist.

What really matters is, does the food FEEL brown?
Posted by: #OrangeDogBad at October 31, 2019 01:58 PM (UFLLM)

Does it matter? Because it will wind up brown

Posted by: josephistan at October 31, 2019 02:00 PM (Izzlo)

360 I totally agree with Lurker concerning the chili.

Posted by: ChemJeff at October 31, 2019 02:00 PM (CLteG)

361 So this one time in banned camp...
Posted by: rhennigantx dont californicate my TEXAS at October 31, 2019 01:56 PM

Y'all did something that required the reading of the banns?

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at October 31, 2019 02:01 PM (L/GA3)

362 I'm guessing that this vote alone will cost the Democrats 12 seats in Congress.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 31, 2019 02:01 PM (yQpMk)

363 @353

What Trump should do is release every call Obama had with Russia and the mullahs.

There is no other way to make the Democrats stop their madness that doesn't involve a metaphorical bat to the face.

Posted by: Huxley's Eye Glass Emporium at October 31, 2019 02:02 PM (1+vZv)

364 Vindman is the kind of officer I hated when I was an officer in the Navy. A political asshole.

Posted by: Archer at October 31, 2019 02:02 PM (gmo/4)

365 Can you impeach for high indiscretions and peccadillos?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 31, 2019 01:56 PM (7rVsF)

Those are actually requirements to run for office in Italy.
Posted by: Roy at October 31, 2019 02:00 PM (2SB+z)

Peccadillos are even worse than armadillos. When you run over them, their beaks can puncture your tires.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 31, 2019 02:02 PM (/sgva)

366 Still do not believe they will vote on articles of impeachment. Maybe my head is in the sand.

Nothing has changed. This latest vote simply altered the house rules to allow what they were doing illegally before with their inquiry. Its just a farce to get people talking about impeachment and saying how serious it is.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 31, 2019 02:02 PM (KZzsI)

367 So what, its like the reporting on IG report will of course turn out. The press will report what fits their narrative, and ignore the rest. All we have, or supposedly have, is actual Justice- a Trump administration DOJ. About that...

Posted by: Olivia Thirlby's bicycle seat. at October 31, 2019 02:03 PM (Bf3hj)

368 I saw High Crimes and Misdemeanors open for Def Leppard in Milan, circa 1987

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 02:03 PM (FiUMj)

369 @ChadPergram 4 minutes ago

Colleague Hillary Vaughn rpts a grp of House GOPers will head to WH today to meet with Trump

Posted by: Tami at October 31, 2019 02:03 PM (cF8AT)

370 xnycpeasant : several people are noticing that US / Russia relations are being severely damaged by the media and Democrat bullshit about "Russian assets".

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at October 31, 2019 02:04 PM (6o4iA)

371 Can you smell what the Schiff has been cooking?
Posted by: simplemind at October 31, 2019 01:58 PM

What about socking catch-phrases?

Posted by: The Rock at October 31, 2019 02:04 PM (L/GA3)

372 I'm guessing that this vote alone will cost the Democrats 12 seats in Congress.
=========
in a just world it would be the end of their party

they just voted to de civilize our country

they threw out due process in favor of a kangaroo court process just so they could overturn an election they lost

How do you justify that in a purple district?

Your votes don't matter. Now vote for me!

Posted by: simplemind at October 31, 2019 02:04 PM (qni9p)

373 When I visited the actual House of Representatives last year, I was struck by how much it resembled a sound stage. And by how shoddy and small it was. Quite anticlimactic.

Posted by: monkey at October 31, 2019 02:04 PM (CLteG)

374 Trump on Nigel Farage show now
www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7WsHoHgUP8

Posted by: Mark1971 at October 31, 2019 02:04 PM (xPl2J)

375
@ChadPergram 4 minutes ago

Colleague Hillary Vaughn rpts a grp of House GOPers will head to WH today to meet with Trump

Posted by: Tami at October 31, 2019 02:03 PM (cF8AT)

ZOMG!!-! They're telling him his support is crumbling!!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 31, 2019 02:05 PM (7rVsF)

376

Schiff is the kind of guy who as a kid fed his little brother crayons, so he could watch him shit the rainbow...

Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at October 31, 2019 02:05 PM (UFLLM)

377 374 Trump on Nigel Farage show now
www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7WsHoHgUP8
Posted by: Mark1971 at October 31, 2019 02:04 PM (xPl2J)

Did Farage retire from the Brexit Party?

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at October 31, 2019 02:06 PM (RD7QR)

378 I am really starting to hate anyone who votes Democrat. Not just the politicians, but the actual voters.

Posted by: LGoPs the former boyscout who now shouts Broken Arrow!, Broken Arrow! at October 31, 2019 02:06 PM (mNUzX)

379 This light colonel turd Vindman is nothing but a mid-level crotch sniffer.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 31, 2019 02:06 PM (3CqsF)

380 I bought tickets to High Crimes and Misdemeanors opening for A well regulated Militia, but alas, I was voting and couldn't go. Silly me. What a waste of time.

Posted by: Olivia Thirlby's bicycle seat. at October 31, 2019 02:06 PM (Bf3hj)

381 We have a BIG announcement!

Beginning tomorrow, The Dispatch proudly introduces "Miss Lunch Hour", a weekly elbows feature, showing some of the prettiest women we've spotted around D.C. in the previous several days.

It will be available to subscribers only and we expect interest in our newsletter will explode way past the twelve loyal readers still with us. This week will be a photo montage of Stephen's wife and her close friend, Paolo.

Posted by: The Rev. Colonel David French, A Xantastic Guy! at October 31, 2019 02:06 PM (NVYyb)

382 This is now Punic War shit. The Left and Media delenda est. They went past a point return

Schiff next needs to be exposed a serial leaker and convicted with non-concurrent sentences. His Media handlers need to be forced fired, else their employers be charged too

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 31, 2019 02:06 PM (qsJge)

383 Can you smell what the Schiff has been cooking?
Posted by: simplemind at October 31, 2019 01:58 PM

What about socking catch-phrases?

Posted by: The Rock
====
Fair use.

*coughRaisin testiclesCough*

Posted by: simplemind at October 31, 2019 02:06 PM (MwihM)

384 Lurking Lurker PsyOps process:

Step 1: Earns his conservative "street cred" by leaving a bunch of vacuous comments on a thread like "darn that fake news NYT!" and "gosh that Nancy Pelosi she just makes me so mad!"

Step 2: Drops a purported Bomb of Demoralization such as "Nike stock is up" or "wow, Trump's daily approval poll numbers have steadily declined for the last 72 hours, I don't see how he carries Pennsylvania again in 2020" or "actually, they can impeach Trump just because they don't like his tie and we need to accept the fact that he's probably going be convicted in the Senate." Which we to take very, very seriously because of the conservative bona fides he believes he's earned in Step 1.

Posted by: Deep Static at October 31, 2019 02:06 PM (4Eo4+)

385 >>Can you impeach for high indiscretions and peccadillos?

What about dalliances and putrescence?

Posted by: Lizzy at October 31, 2019 02:06 PM (bDqIh)

386 --->339 He's lying.

Maybe. But it still reads more like motivated reasoning/clouded judgment (he likes Ukraine; doesn't like Trump) than lying to me. It's often hard to tell when a motivated reasoning slips into full-on bad faith (i.e., lying), but most people wouldn't actually lie brazenly in this context ... though sociopaths do exist (i.e., Harry Reid, Bill Clinton).

Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at October 31, 2019 02:07 PM (hdzef)

387 @370
"Better dead than Putin's c*ck holster" doesn't seem to have a very good ring to it.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at October 31, 2019 02:07 PM (koNhm)

388 The whole idea that the President can't make calls to foreing leaders without minions from the Deep State listening in and reporting back innuendo to their handlers is disgusting.

They want to place the President in a Cone of Silence: cant talk to your lawyers because they'll ignore the privilege, can't talk to foreign leaders because they wont trust our confidentiality, etc etc.

As to inability to speak frankly with foreign leaders, and gain their trust in our confidence, this kind of barrier to talk is what can start an honest to God shooting war. Maybe Trump needs an updated "Daisy" ad to clarify matters.
Posted by: xnycpeasant

It only applies to Republican Presidents.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 31, 2019 02:07 PM (oUkrT)

389 387 @370
"Better dead than Putin's c*ck holster" doesn't seem to have a very good ring to it.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at October 31, 2019 02:07 PM (koNhm)

Yeah, maybe Anna Chapman disagrees.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at October 31, 2019 02:08 PM (RD7QR)

390 in a just world it would be the end of their party

they just voted to de civilize our country

they threw out due process in favor of a kangaroo court process just so they could overturn an election they lost

--

You know what's worse, and far scarier? That a sizeable number of voting Americans, so twisted in their Trump hatred, and knowing every bit of what you just stated...will gladly support the Democrats' unprecedented moves if it will rid them of Trump. They don't care about illegality. They don't care about due process. They don't care if it's all lies. They'd throw it all to the wind to have him thrown out, not caring one bit the seeds of destruction they're sowing.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at October 31, 2019 02:08 PM (JoUsr)

391 People have different opinions in here everyday.

Mine and the wrong, (AtC exempted because scary).

Posted by: DaveA at October 31, 2019 02:08 PM (FhXTo)

392 Schiff is the kind of guy who as a kid fed his little brother crayons, so he could watch him shit the rainbow...
Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at October 31, 2019 02:05 PM

Wax in, wax out.

Posted by: Mr. Wipeyagi at October 31, 2019 02:08 PM (L/GA3)

393 Did Farage retire from the Brexit Party?

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at October 31, 2019 02:06 PM (RD7QR)

No. Still his party.

Posted by: Mark1971 at October 31, 2019 02:08 PM (xPl2J)

394 I had some woodpeccadillos fly in from Mexico. Noisy little fuckers.

Posted by: wth at October 31, 2019 02:08 PM (v0R5T)

395 I'm guessing that this vote alone will cost the Democrats 12 seats in Congress.

That is the only way, short of open rebellion, the Dems will ever face any sort of punishment for what they're doing. Vote them out of power, decisively. Make them understand your anger and disgust. That's the only possible way.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 31, 2019 02:08 PM (KZzsI)

396 @AnnCoulter

Ann Coulter Retweeted Catturd

No she didn't. Tulsi is a SENATOR, meaning she's in the SENATE and doesn't vote on HOUSE resolutions.

@catturd2

For all you foolish Tulsi Gabbard fans...

She just voted for the illegal impeachment coup...

Coulter's tweet is still up.....

Posted by: Tami at October 31, 2019 02:08 PM (cF8AT)

397 Schiff is the kind of guy who as a kid fed his little brother crayons, so he could watch him shit the rainbow...
Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at October 31, 2019 02:05 PM (UFLLM)

Nah, Schiif was never a Marine. Would not last 3 hours at an MCRD even the Hollywood kind

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 31, 2019 02:08 PM (cEsBM)

398 Yeah..".Schiff next needs to be exposed "
That attitude is why we are where we are. Nothing comes of them being exposed. They honestly, truthfully, really don't know shame, and their media control the narrative. Apparently nothing comes from our voting either.

I'ts delenda est, or sticking with the expose them strategy. We can't do both At least we can't do both and hope to win.

Posted by: Olivia Thirlby's bicycle seat. at October 31, 2019 02:09 PM (Bf3hj)

399 384 It's all about the bubbles, man. And reality. And, of course, concern for our well being.

Posted by: monkey at October 31, 2019 02:09 PM (CLteG)

400 >>>Goering wore a uniform: Lots of uniforms: He designed them himself<<<
Herman dressed up in drag and sang show tunes in a cabaret.

Posted by: Fritz at October 31, 2019 02:09 PM (2Mnv1)

401 The press will report what fits their narrative, and ignore the rest.

Sure, same as the last one. They blew off all the content and reported on the opinion piece at the end.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 31, 2019 02:10 PM (KZzsI)

402 High crimes and misdemeanors? Oh, like getting stoned and jaywalking?

Posted by: wth at October 31, 2019 02:10 PM (v0R5T)

403 The whole idea that the President can't make calls
to foreing leaders without minions from the Deep State listening in and
reporting back innuendo to their handlers is disgusting.

They want to place the President in a Cone of Silence: cant talk to
your lawyers because they'll ignore the privilege, can't talk to foreign
leaders because they wont trust our confidentiality, etc etc.

As to inability to speak frankly with foreign leaders, and gain
their trust in our confidence, this kind of barrier to talk is what can
start an honest to God shooting war. Maybe Trump needs an updated
"Daisy" ad to clarify matters.

Posted by: xnycpeasant

It only applies to Republican Presidents.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 31, 2019 02:07 PM (oUkrT)

Remember when the whole fucking world heard Obama whisper collusion to the Russian President, asking him to tell Putin that he'd be "more flexible" after the election. And nobody fucking cared?

That's why I hate Democrats and anyone who votes for them.

Posted by: LGoPs the former boyscout who now shouts Broken Arrow!, Broken Arrow! at October 31, 2019 02:10 PM (mNUzX)

404 >> It's all about the bubbles, man.

I can only assume you are talking about the Vagina bubbles.

Posted by: garrett at October 31, 2019 02:10 PM (uTLcA)

405 I'm thinking Schiff has been exposed before, frequently voluntarily.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at October 31, 2019 02:10 PM (RD7QR)

406 Counter is less informed than a cat poop?

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at October 31, 2019 02:10 PM (6o4iA)

407 I'm guessing that this vote alone will cost the Democrats 12 seats in Congress.

That is the only way, short of open rebellion, the Dems will ever face any sort of punishment for what they're doing. Vote them out of power, decisively. Make them understand your anger and disgust. That's the only possible way.
========
There's another way, arguably more likely

hands on your hips,

push out your tush . . .

Posted by: the french mistake at October 31, 2019 02:10 PM (yfcJF)

408 Blue and White leader Benny Gantz met with the Joint List leader Ayman Odeh on Thursday over possibility of kick-starting a negotiation about a minority government.

Kabuki Theater. No way that happens. Would be the end of Israel as we know it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 31, 2019 02:10 PM (cEsBM)

409 O/T
Hadrian,
We just saw your news on an earlier thread about the new job. Congratulations!! We'll continue to hope that all goes well for you.

Posted by: JTB at October 31, 2019 02:10 PM (bmdz3)

410 *Coulter.

apparently my phone is about as smart as cat poop.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at October 31, 2019 02:11 PM (6o4iA)

411 The whole idea that the President can't make calls to foreing leaders without minions from the Deep State listening in and reporting back innuendo to their handlers is disgusting.

--

Can you imagine Jug Ear's phone call to the Iran discussing how he's going to send secret pallets loaded with American taxpayer cash?

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at October 31, 2019 02:11 PM (JoUsr)

412 That's one young senator ya got there anne.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at October 31, 2019 02:11 PM (nRWPy)

413 #CLteG

You just don't get it, do you, butthead?

Posted by: IrishEi at October 31, 2019 02:11 PM (sGotD)

414 >>Can you imagine Jug Ear's phone call to the Iran discussing how he's going to send secret pallets loaded with American taxpayer cash?

We know he was pressuring ALL governments to go along.

Kerry and Co admitted as much.

Posted by: garrett at October 31, 2019 02:11 PM (uTLcA)

415 Coulter's schtick is tired and old. Notice how she's not on talking head shows much any more? She's desperate for attention and money.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 31, 2019 02:12 PM (KZzsI)

416 Step 2: Drops a purported Bomb of Demoralization such as "Nike stock is up" or

__

If you get demoralized by Nike's stock performance, you have some serious issues. LOL

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 02:12 PM (FiUMj)

417 Umm Gabbard is a representative not a senator. HI 2nd District.

Posted by: Buzzion at October 31, 2019 02:12 PM (/nfJO)

418 Lurking Lurker is a gaslighter and a troll. Why do people pay attention to xer?

Posted by: G marks the spot at October 31, 2019 02:12 PM (Fmkqn)

419 "purported," nit wit.

Posted by: Deep Static at October 31, 2019 02:12 PM (4Eo4+)

420 By the way I use "she" with Ann Coulter out of courtesy, not certainty that Coulter was actually born female

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 31, 2019 02:13 PM (KZzsI)

421 417 Umm Gabbard is a representative not a senator. HI 2nd District.
Posted by: Buzzion at October 31, 2019 02:12 PM (/nfJO)

I suspect Anne eats rather little and drinks rather much.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at October 31, 2019 02:13 PM (RD7QR)

422 372
I'm guessing that this vote alone will cost the Democrats 12 seats in Congress.

=========

in a just world it would be the end of their party

they just voted to de civilize our country

they threw out due process in favor of a kangaroo court process just so they could overturn an election they lost

How do you justify that in a purple district?

Your votes don't matter. Now vote for me!

Posted by: simplemind at October 31, 2019 02:04 PM (qni9p)
The (currently) Cold Civil War just warmed up a little more today.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 31, 2019 02:13 PM (N39Ws)

423 By the way I use "she" with Ann Coulter out of courtesy, not certainty that Coulter was actually born female

I have 2nd hand testimony that she is now, at least.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 31, 2019 02:13 PM (yQpMk)

424 BREAKING NEWS: Media Scrambles To Fact-Check Image Of Trump Riding Hero Dog Into Massive Space Battle

https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/
1189965256434442240

Posted by: andycanuck at October 31, 2019 02:13 PM (Dh1wo)

425 Would not last 3 hours at an MCRD even the Hollywood kind
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 31, 2019 02:08 PM

You've been hanging around those jealous Lejuene wannabes too much.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at October 31, 2019 02:13 PM (L/GA3)

426 "purported," nit wit.

Dude, you're gonna make him use his phone to look up words, that's mean

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 31, 2019 02:14 PM (KZzsI)

427

Tanned, Rested and Ready!

Posted by: SinEnema at October 31, 2019 02:14 PM (UFLLM)

428 Umm Gabbard is a representative not a senator. HI 2nd District.
Posted by: Buzzion at October 31, 2019 02:12 PM (/nfJO)

What district is she in when she's not high?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 31, 2019 02:14 PM (/sgva)

429 no no no no! it is "throw out your arms, stick out your tush, hands on your hips. give em a push!"

do we have to rehearse this again?!?!?

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at October 31, 2019 02:14 PM (6o4iA)

430 Like a fart in an elevator, some people don't get it that they are unwanted

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 31, 2019 02:14 PM (cEsBM)

431 He hit Buddy!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 31, 2019 02:14 PM (yQpMk)

432 It's hilarious that I'm a troll because I only agree with 90% of what is said here, instead of 100%.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at October 31, 2019 02:14 PM (FiUMj)

433 NOOD

Posted by: IrishEi at October 31, 2019 02:14 PM (sGotD)

434 nood

Posted by: LGoPs the former boyscout who now shouts Broken Arrow!, Broken Arrow! at October 31, 2019 02:15 PM (mNUzX)

435 >>He hit Buddy!

Curtis Got Slapped!

Posted by: garrett at October 31, 2019 02:15 PM (uTLcA)

436 427

Tanned, Rested and Ready!
Posted by: SinEnema at October 31, 2019 02:14 PM (UFLLM)

So when you say "tanned," are we talking bikini or...

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at October 31, 2019 02:15 PM (RD7QR)

437 Would not last 3 hours at an MCRD even the Hollywood kind
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 31, 2019 02:08 PM

You've been hanging around those jealous Lejuene wannabes too much.
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at October 31, 2019 02:13 PM (L/GA3)

Well the proper analogy would be Parris Island but I get your point LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 31, 2019 02:15 PM (cEsBM)

438 Shocking photos of Conan revealed. Will this stop her proposed White House run??
https://twitter.com/jer2911tx/status/
1189966309603397633

Posted by: andycanuck at October 31, 2019 02:15 PM (Dh1wo)

439 418
Lurking Lurker is a gaslighter and a troll. Why do people pay attention to xer?

Posted by: G marks the spot at October 31, 2019 02:12 PM (Fmkqn)

Because ChemJeff left and it's mean to throw rocks at rats?

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at October 31, 2019 02:15 PM (nRWPy)

440 Posted by: Tami at October 31, 2019 02:08 PM (cF8AT)

Not understanding this comment Tami. What are you talking about? Coulter's twitter stream doesn't have anything like this that I saw.

Posted by: The Rev. Colonel David French, A Xantastic Guy! at October 31, 2019 02:15 PM (NVYyb)

441 do we have to rehearse this again?!?!?

I'm not doing the French Mistake, dammit!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 31, 2019 02:16 PM (KZzsI)

442 nood bats

Posted by: Iris at October 31, 2019 02:16 PM (lSFe/)

443 Nood, congress gunt in costume

Posted by: Nice Gunt at October 31, 2019 02:16 PM (yfcJF)

444 Vindman is the kind of officer I hated when I was an officer in the Navy. A political asshole.
Posted by: Archer at October 31, 2019 02:02 PM (gmo/4)

I have great respect for the institution of the military, but Oswald, McVeigh, and Kerry -among others- served in it, so it would be ridiculous to give everyone who ever served absolute moral authority on any subject.

Posted by: Ted K. at October 31, 2019 02:17 PM (FJYfm)

445 You're a troll dumbass, because you believe that is the reason people are annoyed by you.

I think JackStraw is pretty much full of shit on the belief we'll see justice. And have made comments to that effect. Yet no one calls me a troll. And I have never called anyone a troll for believing him either. Your logic is as shitty as you are annoying.

Posted by: Buzzion at October 31, 2019 02:18 PM (/nfJO)

446
The only reason "quid pro quo" is shorthand for wrongdoing, as that the "quid" is presumed to be something not itself a proper function of government, typially something of value such as actual moolah ("quid' itself the word origin for the monetary unit).

But even if DJT was applying "pressure" to get an investigation into (a) foreign 2016 election interference, (b) Ukranian based hacking and/or (c) VP Biden corruption in Ukraine, there is absolutely nothing improper about the objective.

This and to add that every time the US President talks to anyone else in the world, there is of course the implied pressure of the power of the office.

So the "pressure" is assumed/unversal and the alleged objective entirely proper.

But none of this applies when impeachment charges now include japes and tomfoolery.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at October 31, 2019 02:18 PM (koNhm)

447 438
Shocking photos of Conan revealed. Will this stop her proposed White House run??
https://twitter.com/jer2911tx/status/
1189966309603397633

Posted by: andycanuck at October 31, 2019 02:15 PM (Dh1wo) That thread is a scream.Katie Hill brushing ConanBiden sniffing Conan

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at October 31, 2019 02:18 PM (nRWPy)

448 >>Remember when the whole fucking world heard Obama whisper collusion to the Russian President, asking him to tell Putin that he'd be "more flexible" after the election. And nobody fucking cared?

Remember Obama visiting London right before the Brexit vote and telling them that he would put them in the "back of the queue" if they voted for Brexit?

Posted by: Lizzy at October 31, 2019 02:19 PM (bDqIh)

449 http://bit.ly/32ZowXn
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FNC's Napolitano Defends Schiff -- Impeachment Inquiry Following GOP Rules | Breitbart

Posted by: Austere Religious Scholar at October 31, 2019 02:19 PM (BqBId)

450 But Vindman haz Purple Hert!

Posted by: DRuDGe! at October 31, 2019 02:20 PM (BRpqW)

451 They got to redefine marriage. Why don't you think they won't redefine Impeachment requirements.

Posted by: Easy Andy at October 31, 2019 02:20 PM (mesZS)

452 417 Umm Gabbard is a representative not a senator. HI 2nd District.

Posted by: Buzzion at October 31, 2019 02:12 PM (/nfJO)

She's been told that...7,600 times on that tweet.

Posted by: Tami at October 31, 2019 02:20 PM (cF8AT)

453 Remember Obama visiting London right before the
Brexit vote and telling them that he would put them in the "back of the
queue" if they voted for Brexit?

Posted by: Lizzy at October 31, 2019 02:19 PM (bDqIh)

Good one. I'd forgotten that.

Posted by: LGoPs the former boyscout who now shouts Broken Arrow!, Broken Arrow! at October 31, 2019 02:21 PM (mNUzX)

454 323,
The idea that presidents should be impeached because of low opinion polling is not constitutional nor lawful. Nor has the general practice in states or the federal system indicated such in other impeachments with the closest being for one of Grant's cabinet officers and Justice Chase. One resigned, while the other won his Senate trial. Criminal activity is the rule for impeachments, not raw politics and to argue such is the accept the premise of unlimited House power which is not in an of itself accurate.

We do not have a confidence vote such as parliamentary systems do but a separation of powers doctrine. Much of the Constitutional Convention's discussion of impeachment was that it would be conducted by the national judiciary, not the legislature. Hamilton opposed it altogether but the overall language taht inclurded malpractice of duty and maladministration changed to the current language of high crimes and misdemeanors to limit House and Senate discretion after the judiciary was no longer where impeachment power resided.

Blackstone defines the British practice which it a clue that the framers used to how this language of the Constitution is to be interpreted.

High misdemeanor refers to the parliamentary judgment against Simon deBereford who was an accomplice in the high treason of Roger earl of Mortimer, a peer can be prosecuted for any crime which in essence would a felony considering that peers had the powers of low justice. See v. 4, Chapter 19, p. 256-258.

This emphasizes it is to be a solemn quasi judicial proceeding rather a political stunt.

Posted by: whig at October 31, 2019 02:22 PM (MItID)

455
I think JackStraw is pretty much full of shit on
the belief we'll see justice. And have made comments to that effect.
Yet no one calls me a troll. And I have never called anyone a troll for
believing him either. Your logic is as shitty as you are annoying.

Posted by: Buzzion at October 31, 2019 02:18 PM (/nfJO)
The difference is that that's a valid argument and not a leftist argument. I can both agree with Jackstraw on fact and supposition and also despair that the deep state won't let us get any justice. You nor Jackstraw are pushing leftist bs, are being purposefully stupid, or lack a core.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at October 31, 2019 02:23 PM (nRWPy)

456 Not understanding this comment Tami. What are you talking about? Coulter's twitter stream doesn't have anything like this that I saw.

Posted by: The Rev. Colonel David French, A Xantastic Guy! at October 31, 2019 02:15 PM (NVYyb)

https://tinyurl.com/y6nelyb9

Posted by: Tami at October 31, 2019 02:29 PM (cF8AT)

457 As to what the House can do - look at what they just did this morning. Gave Adam Schiff completely unconstitutional powers as a Stealth Special Investigator with the ability to shut down all questions he doesn't want heard. There's no way that is "legal" under the Constitution, but Nanzi's House just went ahead and did it anyways.

Shows just how desperate they are to keep this joke alive.
Posted by: JackStraw

They're salivating at the thought of going fishing. Having unlimited subpoena powers. Today was to attempt to legitimize and give them that kind of power with no oversight or pushback. If this insanity stands and there's no pushback (obviously, there will be NONE from the media) expect them to go after everything. Tax records, business dealings, Trump family records. They're not going to stop at just the Ukraine stuff, which they know is a bust.

Posted by: Biergood at October 31, 2019 02:30 PM (yb6r+)

458 I guess we can turn into Guatemala and just have impeachment wars. By the way, Obama interfered with the Guatemalan impeachment of his communist buddy though he failed . The agency created Guatemala as a result of that removal subsequently tried to remove the subsequent President in 2017.

The Dems are just like these banana republics.

Posted by: Easy Andy at October 31, 2019 02:31 PM (mesZS)

459 I get a Bradley Manning vibe out of Lt Col Vindman

Posted by: Portlandon at October 31, 2019 02:32 PM (+oR7L)

460 That is interesting about Vindman trying to insert crap into the transcript. I suppose he did it for purely personal political gain and is therefore a traitor

Posted by: mushroom maniac at October 31, 2019 02:37 PM (FEQY4)

461 Nadler could do a pretty good Penguin imitation I'm guessing.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at October 31, 2019 03:03 PM (BRpqW)

462 The Senate should stand up a committee with unlimited power to investigate the Biden family.

Posted by: Jean at October 31, 2019 03:03 PM (5ImcY)

463 This and to add that every time the US President talks to anyone else in the world, there is of course the implied pressure of the power of the office.

There were a dozen quid pro quo s just to get the phone call to happen

Posted by: Jean at October 31, 2019 03:08 PM (5ImcY)

464 Dollars to donuts LTC Vindman was the leaker to the First Fake "Whistleblower". Meat-Head Brennan was finally able to set up his first real spy network having failed in China with great loss of life.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at October 31, 2019 04:27 PM (BmkGd)

465 Obviously must be lying.

Has anyone checked his background? His twitter history? High school yearbook?

Posted by: Ree at October 31, 2019 04:29 PM (N3yvc)

466 I guess we should not trust court reporter transcriptionists with those funny typewriters, either?

(And Ace, please check your gmail asking about why comments I post from home IP disappear)!

Posted by: anon at October 31, 2019 05:13 PM (ykUGu)

467 Test.

Posted by: -- Trump/Conan the Hero Dog 2020: Two Barbarians for the Price of One!!! at November 03, 2019 08:40 PM (Efp1T)

468 Test2.

Posted by: ShainS -- Trump/Conan the Hero Dog 2020: Two Barbarians for the Price of One!!! at November 03, 2019 08:40 PM (Efp1T)

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