Gun Thread: A Lurker Gets His Gun! [Weasel]

Sig Sauer P226 RX Legion in 9mm

In New York City, no less!! So we've all heard about how impossible it is to own a gun in the city, right? I mean, I've read it my own self right here on this very internet! Well apparently, it can be done. The attendant laws are all bullshit, of course, but if you live in New York city it is possible to own a handgun legally. Let's find out more about the ridiculous process below, shall we?

So conventional wisdom and internet gospel notwithstanding, our pal Scuba_Dude jumped through all the right hoops and was issued a New York City Premises license. What the holy Hell is a "Premises" license you ask?

From the NYC Police Website:

PREMISES LICENSE: This is a restricted type of license. It is issued for your residence or business. The Licensee may possess a handgun ONLY on the premises of the address indicated on the front of the license. Licensees may also transport their handguns and ammunition in separate locked containers, directly to and from an authorized range or hunting location. For hunting, an endorsement from NYPD License Division is required, in addition to a New York State hunting license. Handguns must be unloaded while being transported.

Are the NYC rules retarded, onerous and an infringement of 2nd Amendment rights? No question about it. Does our pal Scuba_Dude have a nice, legal, shiny new Sig P226? You bet he does! So climb up on your ol' pal Weasel's knee and let's find out how Scuba_Dude did the impossible!

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The story begins some 25 years ago, with Scuba_Dude picking up shooting as an adult and going to a range with friends for weapons familiarization while contemplating becoming a NYC Policeman. Although a career as a cop never materialized, he didn't forget the fun he'd had shooting years earlier.

I'll let Scuba_Dude take it from here:

Fast forward to 2017. My nephew gets the gun bug, acquires many nice revolvers, semi-autos, rifles, AR15s and shotguns, and one day asks me if I would like to go to the range he had joined. I said yes and I never looked back.
My first day at the range we started with handguns. Prior to arriving my nephew showed me each gun we would be using, how it operated and more importantly the Safety Rules for handling the firearms. He is a good teacher, one of the range officers complimented him after seeing how I was shooting that first day and learning it was my nephew who taught me.
So the first thing he did was take his Ruger 1911 in .45 and put a single round in the magazine, handed the gun to me to rack the slide and load the round into the chamber. He pointed to a target metal target 25 yards away and told me to aim at the top disk and fire. I hit the target! He and the range officer complimented me and my nephew put another round in the magazine, gave me the gun and said do it again. I hit the target again, but it went downhill after that. I do not know how many rounds we fired that day but I shot his semi-automatics and revolvers then we went to the 100 yard range and shot his .308 Savage and also his AR15 in .223. We ended the day going to the shotgun range shooting skeet. To say I was hooked was an understatement.
For the next couple months we go to the range another dozen times until I decided it would be cheaper for me to join the range instead of paying the $25 guest charge every time I went. And in 2018 I decided I did not want to have to borrow my nephew's guns, and decided to apply for my NYC rifle/shotgun permit.

OK, so far, so good! Scuba_Dude has been re-introduced to weapons and the shooting sports by a family member who is safety conscious, has a bunch of guns, belongs to a range, and likes to shoot! What's not to like? There's really only one thing for him to do at this point, short of moving out of NYC, and that's for him to buy a gun of his own!

So I applied for what I thought was my NYC rifle/shotgun permit. I went online to the website and proceeded to fill out the information they required on the application, as well as other forms, such as:
Affidavit of Co-Habitant: meaning if I lived with someone they would have to attest that they knew I was applying and may actually get a gun license. They made me do it over as "I LIVE ALONE" was not good enough. So I had to fill it out: I "Self" hereby blah blah blah, and I also had to get it notarized.

Acknowledgement of Person agreeing to safeguard firearms: in case I am incapacitated or dead this person is responsible for contacting the NYPD License division who would give him/her directions to safeguard and surrender my firearms. They also had to be a NY State resident.
Other general documentation was required for both the applicant and the person named to safeguard the weapons; including that establishing identity, residence and citizenship, among other things.

Well damn - this is starting to sound a lot like work. No wonder it's considered impossible, but our intrepid Scuba_Dude stayed the course!

Then came the day I got an email saying I needed to go down to 1 Police Plaza to pay my non refundable application fee and get finger printed. Once there, I found out all this time the information and documents I was providing were for a NYC Handgun Premise permit, not the rifle/shotgun permit. It turns out there was a drop down menu that I missed that listed the different permits and it had defaulted to handgun! I thought I was toast at that point as I had very low expectations of getting a handgun permit in NYC but I went ahead and paid the $340 non-refundable fee and the $80 fingerprint fee and showed them all the original documents. Then I went home and promptly filled out my rifle/shotgun application.

Well what do you know, our pal Scuba_Dude wasn't even trying to get a handgun license! He was applying for a rifle/shotgun license, instead. I'm not sure I'd have coughed up with a whopping $420 smackeroos in non-refundable fees without some assurance I was going to be approved! Also, the fees are total bullshit. Absolute and complete bullshit. The whole process so far is bullshit but the fees are extra bullshit.

But wait! There's more!!

So a month or two go by and I am assigned an Investigator who tells me I need to provide the following documents for this phase of the application; a lifetime drivers license extract and two notarized character reference letters. I eventually asked one of my colleagues and an acquaintance who retired from the police force and I think his letter sealed the deal. I uploaded the documents with days to spare before the window for the application closed as it was coming upon a year since I began the application process. This was my fault, as I was very lazy in getting the documents they wanted, and I could have this done a good 5-6 months earlier.
Once that was done an in person interview was set up with the police officer who was investigating my application at 1 Police Plaza. I showed up for the interview and I was surprised that we mainly talked about Paris, France and dogs. I filled out a questionnaire for them and that was it. She said I would find out by the end of the week if I would get my handgun premise permit.

Will Scuba_Dude get the permit, or will his application be denied? Tune in to next week's Gun Thread for the exciting conclusion!

I keed! I keed!!

Needless to say I got it!!! I was very surprised and I really thought they would deny my application. I went down to 1 Police Plaza to pick up my handgun license and was also given my Purchase Authorization Request Form that enabled me to purchase a gun within 30 days. I ordered the handgun from a store out on Long Island, picked it up on the 15th, and brought it back to 1 Police Plaza the next day for “inspection” where upon they put the details of my firearm on my license.
So that is it, a few short words on what I had to do to get a license from New York City!

First, I have to hand it to Scuba_Dude. Nicely done! I'm not sure I'd have even tried in the first place, much less stayed with the process to completion. Also, you need to stop lurking, come out of the shadows and comment, brother! I am sure we all want to hear about how your shooting is progressing with the new Sig! Congratulations, and thank you for sharing your story!!

Did you all know these permits were available in NYC? Does anyone else have one? I'm pretty sure I can guess everyone's opinion of the licensing process, but does anyone live in a jurisdiction with anything close to this much regulation?

A special Gun Thread Thank You to Scuba_Dude for sharing his story! I'm looking forward to hearing about the Sig on the range!

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Link-O-Rama
Outdoor Life: Best Shotguns Under $500 - updated
Forgotten Weapons Book Review: Winchester Model 1895
Shooting Times: Winchester Wildcat Review
Technology.org Article: Unusual Looking Revolvers - h/t Skip
NRA Shooting Sports USA: 2019 Extreme Long Range Championship
NRA Review: Federal 224 Valkyrie Ammunition
NRA Mag and Applied Ballistics: Aerodynamic Drag Modeling: The G1 and G7 Coefficients

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Once again our Pal Neon Madman brings the history lesson!

Marble's Adapter (r)

This is something a little different. The main item in the picture is a Marble's #159 cartridge adapter, sometimes called an auxiliary
cartridge. It allows a .32 ACP pistol cartridge to be fired in a rifle chambered for .30-06. This works because the .32 ACP bullet actually measures .308 (or very close), which is the same as the .30-06 bullet diameter. What, you are thinking that something as technical as ammunition would have a very rigid and well-defined naming system? Hahahahahahahaha.........
Anyway, there was a whole line of these adapters, a dozen or so different versions to match specific handgun cartridges to specific rifle chamberings. Marble Arms of Gladstone, Michigan was the main manufacturer, but there have been others over the years. This example, with mounted .32 ACP cartridge, is shown next to a .30-06 cartridge. Cartridge, Caliber .30, API, M14 for comparison.

I sort of vaguely think I might possibly have heard of these before. Or something like it. Or maybe I'm just dreaming things up. Whatever the case, thank you Neon Madman!!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 Happiness is

Posted by: Skip at November 03, 2019 07:02 PM (ZCEU2)

2 Dutifully called em

Posted by: Skip at November 03, 2019 07:03 PM (ZCEU2)

3 Thanks Skip!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 07:04 PM (MVjcR)

4 Howdy, Horde! Nope. Not to the range but I killed a deer for putting in the freezer and took my new Grendel for several walks in the woods. How ya doin'?

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at November 03, 2019 07:05 PM (gMngZ)

5 Great content!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at November 03, 2019 07:05 PM (axyOa)

6 Top five. I'll take it since I'm usually late to the party.

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at November 03, 2019 07:06 PM (gMngZ)

7 Hi Weasel,
Thanks for the write up. :-)

I will try to comment more often as my experience and hopefully my collection of firearms grow.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 07:07 PM (ZfBVE)

8 I would have just fkin moved or put a knife through my brain

Posted by: Skip at November 03, 2019 07:07 PM (ZCEU2)

9 Congratulations, ScubaDude !

Hopefully someday you will tell that story to school kids getting their first lessons in firearm safety, as a tale of how bad things were Back In The Day.

Range report follows.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at November 03, 2019 07:08 PM (JwHjN)

10 Hi Weasel,
Thanks for the write up. :-)

I will try to comment more often as my experience and hopefully my collection of firearms grow.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 07:07 PM (ZfBVE)
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Thank You for the story! My part was easy. Hope to see you around!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 07:09 PM (MVjcR)

11 Scuba Dude and Weasel that is a good thread writeup.

Posted by: Skip at November 03, 2019 07:09 PM (ZCEU2)

12 Congratulations, ScubaDude!

Posted by: Ladyl at November 03, 2019 07:09 PM (TdMsT)

13 Scuba Dude, congratulations, but you need to move out of that fascist fiefdom and into a free state!

Posted by: Insomniac at November 03, 2019 07:10 PM (NWiLs)

14 8
I would have just fkin moved or put a knife through my brain

Posted by: Skip at November 03, 2019 07:07 PM (ZCEU2)Believe me, I was contemplating moving out of NYC to maybe Westchester or over the river to NJ. But I like where I am having lived in the borough of Staten Island for over 30 years.
When the time comes for me to retire I am looking at either Florida (my home State) or Texas. No way in hell am I staying here.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 07:10 PM (ZfBVE)

15 Great content!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at November 03, 2019 07:05 PM (axyOa)
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Thanks, but the credit goes to S_D!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 07:11 PM (MVjcR)

16 Scuba-dude...
I don't know what to say.
Congratulations!
And, NYC knows you have a weapon.
Bummer.

Posted by: MarkY at November 03, 2019 07:11 PM (HbhkC)

17 Congrats to Scuba_Dude!

I have negotiated carry permits in two of the most liberal states -- Connecticut and Massachusetts -- so I've upped the challenge by moving to New Jersey.

Just kidding. I'll never get a permit here.

I can legally own what I've brought from my old primary residence to my new one, so there's no record. That bit about showing your shiny new SIG to the Po-Po* is creepy.

*(Po-po is children's slang for bum, buttock, heiny, or derierre in German. Das Po is adult for butt. Du hast ein knackiges Po is a great compliment).

Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 03, 2019 07:12 PM (gd9RK)

18 There are many reasons I don't live in a big city. Scuba_Dude just added to the list. But, nice perseverance! Now, I must go pack for my trip to Langley tomorrow BRB

McGyver, Out

Posted by: McGyver at November 03, 2019 07:12 PM (gMngZ)

19 I have a Dreyse carbine, designed for the .32acp cartridge.

Don't need no thuddy ought six.

It's pretty slick. I fired it once, on principle.

Posted by: retropox at November 03, 2019 07:12 PM (cprte)

20 Insomniac, unfortunately my job prevents me from moving away from the Tri State area. I work for the Financial Industry, very few jobs with my skill set available outside of this area

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 07:12 PM (ZfBVE)

21 :jumps in:
Yes I am still around.
Anyway got to the range yesterday. Was working on tuning up the slug gun for deer camp in 2 weeks. As a reminder I only get 2 days because of the wife.
Anyway. Hornady SST 12 gauge sabots. Couldn't solve this slightly low and to the left problem. Grouping was not bad for slugs. Thinking about switching to Hornaday whitetail next year. The SST is getting hers to find at non dicks stores for some reason.

Posted by: Tsrblke at November 03, 2019 07:14 PM (zT561)

22 Bandersnatch, my nephew lives in NJ and he was able to get his permits with no problem.
He is also lucky as he can purchase an new firearm every 30 days. In NYC I can only purchase a new firearm every 90 days. And it has to be authorized before I can purchase.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 07:15 PM (ZfBVE)

23 Any slug is MOD (minute of deer) inside 50 yards anywho.

Posted by: MarkY at November 03, 2019 07:15 PM (HbhkC)

24 Thanks Weasel. Girthy gun thread. I'll lurk.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'if you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of other people'' at November 03, 2019 07:15 PM (IGJk8)

25 I'm going to assume that when you fire a .32ACP out of a 30-.06, it travels a bit... slower? It that ever bad for the barrel?

Posted by: Rusty Nail at November 03, 2019 07:16 PM (I99aF)

26 Scuba dude.
So what happens if you happen to bring a weapon in from out of state?
Is it a felony?
Can you not own a personal firearm within your home without the "authorities" being aware of it?

Posted by: MarkY at November 03, 2019 07:17 PM (HbhkC)

27 Thanks Weasel. Girthy gun thread. I'll lurk.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'if you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of other people'' at November 03, 2019 07:15 PM (IGJk

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You bet, amigo. Didn't you want to ask the group your laser grip question?

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 07:17 PM (MVjcR)

28 Bandersnatch, my nephew lives in NJ and he was able to get his permits with no problem.

Permits to purchase or permits to carry? I believe the carry permit is basically don't even think about it here.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 03, 2019 07:17 PM (gd9RK)

29 Congrats ScubaDude. That application process is horseshit.

Easier to get a gun than a book my ass.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 03, 2019 07:17 PM (ycWCI)

30

Transportation Security Administration agents at New Jersey's Newark Liberty Airport uncovered a more decorative than deadly item when they checked a passenger's carry-on.

Agents on Tuesday thought there was a gun in the bag when they put it through the X-ray machine. However, a closer inspection revealed a gun-shaped toilet paper roller. The realistic replica gun was designed to spin paper instead of bullets.

Travelers are not permitted to bring real or replica firearms through security checkpoints.

TSA says it gave the man the option to place it in a checked bag, hand it off to a companion or surrender it. He decided to give it to TSA.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 03, 2019 07:17 PM (aKsyK)

31 Tsrblke - aim a tad higher and to the right for now. Good Hunting!

McGyver, (really, I'm packing [clothes] right now)

Posted by: McGyver at November 03, 2019 07:17 PM (gMngZ)

32 I also like that you have to go through all of that process before you are even allowed to go buy one- with a 30 day time limit.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 03, 2019 07:18 PM (ycWCI)

33 Oh, and CB - I was thinking of Heidi when I wrote the business about finding out next week above.

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 07:18 PM (MVjcR)

34 Anyone else getting ready for deer season? I just sighted in my Browning A-Bolt slug gun, along with a 300 BLK AR-pistol (legal in MN "slug zone").

Posted by: PacosMojo at November 03, 2019 07:18 PM (l/Tms)

35 Wow. The State of New York gives dispensation through grace to allow one of its wretched vassal peons to possess a firearm, but only after bowing and scraping sufficiently before the glory of the sovereign and consenting to crippling limitations on its use.

Somehow, I don't think this is what the Framers had in mind when they wrote the 2nd Amendment.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 03, 2019 07:19 PM (XVuno)

36 20 Insomniac, unfortunately my job prevents me from moving away from the Tri State area. I work for the Financial Industry, very few jobs with my skill set available outside of this area
Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 07:12 PM (ZfBVE)

I hear you.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 03, 2019 07:19 PM (NWiLs)

37 for the Financial Industry, very few jobs with my skill set available outside of this area

Me code monkey. Me work anywhere, every one tell me.
Unless boring meeting. Boss insist face to face, then.
Me stuck on CO highway 36 with hipsters.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 03, 2019 07:20 PM (ykYG2)

38 Somehow, I don't think this is what the Framers had in mind when they wrote the 2nd Amendment.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 03, 2019 07:19 PM (XVuno)

I would bet you are correct.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 03, 2019 07:20 PM (ycWCI)

39 Talk about infringements! Fuck NY! Want a gun in Missouri? Fill out a 4473, wait 10 minutes, pay and go. Want to conceal carry a handgun? Go for it, no permit required.

Get out of NY and move to America. Still, kudos for jumping through the hoops, you gotta do what you gotta do.

Posted by: Guzalot at November 03, 2019 07:21 PM (Rz36l)

40 SD- Only doubt The People's republic of New Jersey isn't a whole lot better.

Posted by: Skip at November 03, 2019 07:21 PM (ZCEU2)

41 Posted by: MarkY at November 03, 2019 07:15 PM (HbhkC

I missed low last year. We found a tiny bit of skin and fur and a straight line bullet track that lined up with my stand.
The one I killed 2 years ago took 3 shots. Shot one broke the shoulder opposite the one I hit. 2 was a lethal belly shot and 3 missed wild as I was twitchy at that point

Posted by: Tsrblke at November 03, 2019 07:21 PM (zT561)

42 Agents on Tuesday thought there was a gun in the bag when they put it through the X-ray machine. However, a closer inspection revealed a gun-shaped toilet paper roller.

makes sense. why drill someone a new butt hole when he can't clean up the one he's got?

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at November 03, 2019 07:21 PM (ykYG2)

43 The birds are starting the wild fires!

Alfred Hitchcock was a prophet!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 03, 2019 07:22 PM (ycWCI)

44 MarkY, I have been researching this for a couple of months. Recently a lawsuit was submitted to SCOTUS against a NYC law that made it a felony to bring your licensed handgun outside the 5 boroughs of NYC.NYC adjusted their law but it is still going to be heard by SCOTUS.From what I have been reading I should be able to take my handgun outside of NYC to a range or another home.The range I belong to is in NJ (my nephew and I are members), I should have no problem as long as I follow the rules.Gun empty and locked in a container (bag, Pelican etc..) in the trunk or out of reach.
Ammo in another container
I am really looking at the laws pertaining to taking my gun on a plane as I would like to meet up with a friend in Texas.I should be able to do that as long as I follow the rules

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 07:22 PM (ZfBVE)

45 Well,
The maxim, "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6
comes to mind.
But I'm lying. I live in an open carry state, and everyone knows in this county, if you kill the "wrong" kind of criminal, you'll be on the docket.
One of those things you weigh.

Posted by: MarkY at November 03, 2019 07:22 PM (HbhkC)

46 So I got a M16A1 parts kit, basically a complete rifle less barrel and lower. I got a 20" barrel on it, but the lower is just one of my Poverty Ponies.

Here's my question, the parts kit is dark anodized grey, the lower is jet black, should I paint the upper black, or just leave it mismatched? Or buy a new XM gray lower from Nodak? The darn things cost $165 and have a six months wait list.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 03, 2019 07:22 PM (yQpMk)

47 @34 - PacosMojo got mine and it's already in the freezer. Mostly ground, as Giggles will mix Magalica pork lard with it for burger, sausage, whathaveyou. Kept the back-straps and one roast. Whitetail, in a wheat field just off the Missouri. Should be tasty!

McGYver, out (really, I mean it)

Posted by: McGyver at November 03, 2019 07:23 PM (gMngZ)

48 Did the GodSaidManSaid people find a new outlet?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 03, 2019 07:23 PM (ycWCI)

49 Bandersnatch, my nephew only has permits to purchase. I think he is looking to get his carry.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 07:23 PM (ZfBVE)

50 Cicero nailed it.

Posted by: MarkY at November 03, 2019 07:23 PM (HbhkC)

51 The birds are starting the wild fires!

You must watch the movie "Birdemic: Shock and Terror".

Fire breathing birds were setting fires, and our heroes were shooting at the flying birds with AR-15s - not shotguns, but rifles.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at November 03, 2019 07:24 PM (lD3vL)

52 What a process! I got exhausted reading it.

Posted by: kallisto at November 03, 2019 07:24 PM (d4mMH)

53 Bander, I'm looking to visit the family I haven't seen since last century in CT. Do you have any info on how hard it is to get an out of state carry permit? I won't visit unless I can carry at least one of my 1911s.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado) at November 03, 2019 07:25 PM (l7Kbv)

54 If only a late-term abortion was so hard to get.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 03, 2019 07:25 PM (XVuno)

55 Fire breathing birds were setting fires, and our heroes were shooting at the flying birds with AR-15s - not shotguns, but rifles.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at November 03, 2019 07:24 PM (lD3vL)

Well, they were sort of bad graphical birds, so does it matter?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 03, 2019 07:25 PM (ycWCI)

56 Cicero, it wasn't the Peoples Republic of New York State that granted me, it was teh Peoples Republic of New York City, infinitely worse IMHO

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 07:26 PM (ZfBVE)

57 I have held a Sig 226 Legion in my hand and I wanted it so bad. I'm happy for the NY moron, and I hope he never has to use it for....well.......paint your own picture.

Posted by: Eromero at November 03, 2019 07:27 PM (UUkQp)

58 Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 07:26 PM (ZfBVE)

I meant "state" only in terms of the oppressive polity that supposedly has a local monopoly on the use of coercive force.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 03, 2019 07:28 PM (XVuno)

59 Can you not own a personal firearm within your home without the "authorities" being aware of it?

Can you assemble some simple building supplies to make a zip gun?

Can you 3D print a firearm?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at November 03, 2019 07:28 PM (lD3vL)

60 Aetius- Haven't heard that commercial in quite awhile, listen to music on my very early commutes

Posted by: Skip at November 03, 2019 07:28 PM (ZCEU2)

61 Bander, I'm looking to visit the family I haven't seen since last century in CT. Do you have any info on how hard it is to get an out of state carry permit? I won't visit unless I can carry at least one of my 1911s.

Whoa. I would get good at Skype.

In state carry permit took eight months from date of application, included $270 of fees in addition to the $130 or whatever that the NRA course cost (don't believe the interwebs when they say the CT permit is $70, that's the last fee after all the others).

I don't believe CT recognizes any other states' permits.

Skype, FaceTime, What'sApp and other modern conveniences will let you talk to family. If you want hugs you're not likely carrying your 1911.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 03, 2019 07:29 PM (gd9RK)

62 I tip my hat to my NYC bro on his getting his gun. Of course, he is welcome in TX anytime.

(Top Gun Range in Houston being a favorite of mine, of course!)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 03, 2019 07:30 PM (ftwsw)

63 So here was my big score today:

Last week one of the greatest toy stores in the world, Kittery Trading Post, had a special of 15% off gift cards. So I ordered a $300 card (total cost $255). They had also previously sent me a 10% off coupon for a new or used firearm.

Armed with both, I drove to the retail store and immediately spied one of my Grail Guns - a Walther PPK/S in nicely polished blue, almost mint, for $415.

My total cost was $328.50.

Yes, I know the PPK is over-rated, but damn, she sure is pretty.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 03, 2019 07:30 PM (j4zcI)

64 This week was Jap week. Took my Arisaka Type 99 and Type 44 to the range to check the zero out to 100 yards before taking both out deeper next week.

The Type 44 is a little odd, the one I have was made around 1912 and chambered in the Jap 6.5 mm. It has an attached folding bayonet, because the Japs like stabbing things. Mostly a cavalry weapon from what I understand. The Type 99 reminds me much of the 1903 Springfield. Light, easy to shoot and very accurate.

As a side note, a while ago I got some reloaded .30-O6 rounds from a friend. However, when I went to shoot 'em a couple of weeks ago, the rounds would not chamber in my 1903 Remington. I looked at the bullets and they looked a little fat in the waist to me for a .30-O6. I peeled the tape which was on the box labeled .30-O6 and the box read Jap 7.7 mm. Lo and behold, the rounds chambered and shot fine in my Type 99. Someone had resized the .30-O6 rounds to reload to Jap 7.7 but my friend saw the .30-O6 head stamp and taped the box as such. Back in the day, it was not uncommon to find .30-O6 resized and reloaded for Jap 7.7 mm.

Be careful out there. Also, nice pistol Scuba Dude!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 03, 2019 07:31 PM (Z+IKu)

65 Weather about half sucked today, so just the short-form range day ...
ten or a dozen rounds from the carry pieces; ditto for Shooting Buddy.
Bought some subsonic .22 LR for a contemplated gangland style slaying of a woodchuck attempting to invade the yard ... maybe next week.
Bought a crate of 1000 rounds of 5.56 for general purposes.

Biggest deal overall; spent a lot of the day maintaining / upgrading first aid and related supplies. Every first aid kit now contains at least one Sudecon anti-pepper-spray wipe. Replaced all the old alcohol & iodine wipes, checked the CPR shields for aging, replaced the gloves ...
5 gal bucket of sand and a shovel in every car. Flares; I still believe in the old-school railroad flares for roadside use, they have an authority that those reflective-triangle things lack (though I have them too ...). Oh, and flare-guns too, bought up a crapton of them at a garage sale a few years ago; guy bought a new Olin set with every boat, kept all the old ones, whole boxfull, what, 50 bucks ? Worth every penny.
Space blankets. Candles. Tin-can cooking sets for melting snow.
Half-pint of cheap whiskey under the spare tire. MRE or two scattered around in the compartments.

O - tay, getting into tl:dr territory here, yes, you might have noticed I am way about preparedness.
PPPPPP, innit ?

moar ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at November 03, 2019 07:31 PM (JwHjN)

66 54 If only a late-term abortion was so hard to get.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 03, 2019 07:25 PM (XVuno)

Well, with all the hoops, the kid would be in his teen years and really annoying by the time she got the approval.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 03, 2019 07:31 PM (ycWCI)

67 Eromero, I LOVE the trigger on my Sig.
My nephew has 4 semi auto's, Beretta 92FS in 9mm, Glock 19 Gen4 in 9mm, Ruger 1911 in .45 and a Sig Sauer P220 Legion in .45.
I shot every one of them multiple times, I loved the Sig the best. I was tempted to get one in .45 but the cheap guy in me went with 9mm because of the cost of ammo.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 07:31 PM (ZfBVE)

68 Hey Weas. Not sure what the next week thing is. Going to put laser on Heidis pistol just so she can see how bad her tremor hand is shaking the gun. (strong hand) Also, her hand gets tired quickly so there's that.

I'll do some googling and see what's what. Unless someone here actually has a benign tremor and is compensating when they shoot.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'if you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of other people'' at November 03, 2019 07:31 PM (IGJk8)

69 I advised each and every one of my children, my nephews, nieces, brothers and sisters... everyone who would listen to me, to buy their weaponry used, face to face, as is legal in this state, at least.
Mo. does the required background check, as does every state, but then, by law, they must destroy the records.
However, it seems the MSHP wasn't destroying those records as required by law.
If we've seen nothing else in the last three years, it is that no one's information is safe from the government.
I own NO weapons. Once, years ago, I bought a small handgun from a dealer. The Yugo of handguns... a Jennings.
A sold it, and have a copy of the bill of sale.

Posted by: MarkY at November 03, 2019 07:32 PM (HbhkC)

70 Yes, I know the PPK is over-rated, but damn, she sure is pretty.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 03, 2019 07:30 PM (j4zcI)

Great mouth feel also.

Posted by: A. Schickelgruber at November 03, 2019 07:32 PM (XVuno)

71 You know how Western states got Californicated? That's what's happening to PA except the culprit is commie NYers. Right now the gun friendly population outnumbers the grabbers, but if the blue locust trend continues...

Posted by: kallisto at November 03, 2019 07:32 PM (d4mMH)

72 Michigan has a rather obnoxious pistol registry.

About a decade ago, to buy a pistol you had to take a ten-question true or false test (all stupidly easy answers on gun safety) and that would give you your permit to purchase.

You then used this to buy said handgun (it was good for 10 days), which you had to bring back to police for a "safety inspection." (Narrator voice: it wasn't a safety inspection.)

The constables would then give you a green card, proving your handgun was now registered in a card catalog somewhere.

When shall-issue carry came to Michigan, they allowed permit holders to skip the permit to purchase step and also eliminated the inspection. Instead you still have to register the dumb thing, but you just drop off the slip at the local cop shop.

Rifles have no state-level regulations.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 03, 2019 07:33 PM (cfSRQ)

73 I not A.
And I should have said face to face is legal, and requires no government intervention, nor background check. Though it is wise to verify the purchaser is able to legally own a firearm.

Posted by: MarkY at November 03, 2019 07:34 PM (HbhkC)

74 Great mouth feel also.

Posted by: A. Schickelgruber

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You paper-hangin' son-of-a-bitch!

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 03, 2019 07:35 PM (j4zcI)

75 Skype, FaceTime, What'sApp and other modern conveniences will let you talk to family. If you want hugs you're not likely carrying your 1911.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 03, 2019 07:29 PM (gd9RK)

Was afraid of that. Can't not go, as paternal unit is not in good health at age 75. Guess I'll have to traverse the landmine-strewn wasteland of CT's gun laws. Knew there was a damned good reason I never went back after leaving at age 17.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado) at November 03, 2019 07:36 PM (l7Kbv)

76 Wow! And I thought it was a hassle to go to a Virginia courthouse every five years and get my Virginia CC permit for $50.

I wonder when each state starts to have different criteria for the 1st Amendment and charges annual permit fees to exercise that liberty.

Posted by: DC at November 03, 2019 07:36 PM (/TvO8)

77 test

Posted by: cj at November 03, 2019 07:36 PM (B+t5k)

78 I like the look of that 226.

Mine is just plain old plain old.

Reading this story I am like okay wow we are still a long way from that in Virginia.

I have a kinda funny story. When I got sra blaster her first firearm for a Valentines present. Cause I am romantic like that.

So anyway my wife and her sisters grew up in Detroit. When my wife told her sisters about the gift one said "it's all registered and everything right?"

Err, wut? Registered? What madness is this.

I said no not in the Commonwealth dear.

Well, at least not yet.

Posted by: blaster at November 03, 2019 07:37 PM (ZfRYq)

79
For your files (and there is a remote chance that you will need this information, at least if you live in CA like me):

Making accurate loads ~ Understanding powders, Part I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU_0UwxO_5s

Making accurate loads ~ Understanding powders, Part II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akxi6pmqIV4

The guy looks like a pre-1966-vintage hunter; he really likes lever actions and isn't particularly fond of ARs ...

... however, he seems to know how to get high performance out of old equipment (balance scales), and I view that as a strong endorsement.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 03, 2019 07:37 PM (FlRtG)

80 Can you assemble some simple building supplies to make a zip gun?

Can you 3D print a firearm?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at November 03, 2019 07:28 PM (lD3vL)

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There was an episode of "Forgotten Weapons" highlighting a British SMG that uses entirely store-bought hardware. Doesn't say how to build it, but it's probably out there in the "dark web" everyone on CSI talks about.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 03, 2019 07:37 PM (cfSRQ)

81 AZ Hi Desert
Hit town. Hit the hood. Buy a High Point.

Posted by: MarkY at November 03, 2019 07:37 PM (HbhkC)

82 Former Gun Owner AH Lloyd,
The NYC "inspection" was obviously a way for them to register my gun as they take my handgun license and put the make, model, caliber and SERIAL # on my license.
When I get my rifle/shotgun permit I do not have to bring them in for "inspection" but I believe I have to provide the serial #

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 07:37 PM (ZfBVE)

83 Congrats to Scuba Dude who not only went through the process successfully but provided reason umpty-ump for despising NYC in particular and all cities generally.

Posted by: JTB at November 03, 2019 07:37 PM (bmdz3)

84
A new fascist-leftist idea, with the express purpose to take away firearms, is
to mandate INSURANCE for gun owners and manufacturers and making the liability insurance extremely costly.

Maybe this isn't a new idea, but it's new to me.
The idea is to compel compulsory insurance, like auto insurance, which is heavily regulated by states.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 03, 2019 07:38 PM (SfHsb)

85 Bander, I'm looking to visit the family I haven't seen since last century in CT. Do you have any info on how hard it is to get an out of state carry permit? I won't visit unless I can carry at least one of my 1911s.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado) at November 03, 2019 07:25 PM (l7Kbv)

I have no earthly idea how hard it would be, or if it's even practically possible, but such a thing is mentioned. Good luck. Here's the information from the USCCA and CT Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection:

USCCA summary:
https://tinyurl.com/yyps7oze

DESPP page:
https://tinyurl.com/yyxt5mm6

Posted by: hogmartin at November 03, 2019 07:38 PM (t+qrx)

86 Sssshhhhhh Soothsayer!!!
Don't give any of the lurking Regressive s any ideas!!!!

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 07:40 PM (ZfBVE)

87 Huh.

fwiw, in WI, took the 4 hour class on Saturday, did the application online Saturday night ($40, credit card), had my CCL on Thursday.

This was when Scott Walker was Governor, Lord knows what the commie AG has done to the process now; guess I'll find out when I have to renew ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at November 03, 2019 07:40 PM (JwHjN)

88 There was an episode of "Forgotten Weapons" highlighting a British SMG that uses entirely store-bought hardware. Doesn't say how to build it, but it's probably out there in the "dark web" everyone on CSI talks about.

That would be worth finding out, and then writing the next thriller, work into the plot a narration specifically on how those parts were assembled by the protagonist.

See if it is possible to get it past the editors.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at November 03, 2019 07:41 PM (lD3vL)

89 I did just find out that I can keep my CT permit if I inform the authorities that I've moved out of state, and to where.

That amazes me. The East Hartford Cabela's is still my friend.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 03, 2019 07:41 PM (gd9RK)

90 Weasel, great thread, as always.

Not much to add.

However, I am 4 months from going gonzo range time, as I will be retired.

Which reminds me, any CA morons interested in going to Tucson for their two gun match? (Rifle/pistol) I plan on going with the Garand and 1911, just as G. Patton would have wanted.

Link here: https://tinyurl.com/y668nmnt

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 03, 2019 07:41 PM (WEBkv)

91 n.b. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the CT nonresident permit application process required a few face to face visits to a police office or town hall, spaced out over several weeks or something like that, that makes it *technically* possible but lets them toss your whole application file if you miss one appointment.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 03, 2019 07:41 PM (t+qrx)

92 There was an episode of "Forgotten Weapons" highlighting a British SMG that uses entirely store-bought hardware. Doesn't say how to build it, but it's probably out there in the "dark web" everyone on CSI talks about.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 03, 2019 07:37 PM (cfSRQ)

The Forgotten Weapons video you mentioned:
https://tinyurl.com/ycw6borf

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 03, 2019 07:42 PM (ycWCI)

93 Congratulations Scuba. Got out of the people's republic of NJ a few years ago and moved to NH. Took up shooting this year, much friendly place to shoot than the tri- state area. Get out if you can.

Posted by: Trainyaker at November 03, 2019 07:42 PM (C6UW5)

94 Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 03, 2019 07:41 PM (WEBkv)
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Thanks blake! And congratulations!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 07:42 PM (MVjcR)

95 Wow, and I was agitated it took 7 months to get my suppressor. Glad I live in WY.

Posted by: SR86 at November 03, 2019 07:43 PM (WRfju)

96
Former Gun Owner AH Lloyd,
The NYC "inspection" was obviously a way
for them to register my gun as they take my handgun license and put the
make, model, caliber and SERIAL # on my license.
When I get my rifle/shotgun permit I do not have to bring them in for "inspection" but I believe I have to provide the serial #

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 07:37 PM (ZfBVE)

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Like everyone else here, I find registries obnoxious, but I will grant that they have one unintended positive effect here in the US:

They remind those in power just how many f*cking guns are out there.

In countries where few people own, they are often used to round up otherwise legal arms. But when one reaches a certain point, the knowledge that so-and-so does in fact have a small armory causes would-be enforcers to be a little more circumspect.

The gun-grabbers have a lot of bluster, but the truth of the matter is that most cops want to go home to their families at the end of the day. They are just as risk-averse as anyone else.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 03, 2019 07:43 PM (cfSRQ)

97 82 Former Gun Owner AH Lloyd,
The NYC "inspection" was obviously a way for them to register my gun as they take my handgun license and put the make, model, caliber and SERIAL # on my license.
When I get my rifle/shotgun permit I do not have to bring them in for "inspection" but I believe I have to provide the serial #
Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 07:37 PM (ZfBVE)

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Sounds a lot like CA.

Yeah, I know, surprise, surprise, ,surprise.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 03, 2019 07:43 PM (WEBkv)

98 62
I tip my hat to my NYC bro on his getting his gun. Of course, he is welcome in TX anytime.

(Top Gun Range in Houston being a favorite of mine, of course!)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 03, 2019 07:30 PM (ftwsw)

CTT33, you KNOW I am looking forward to getting down to Texas and let you try out the Sig at Top Gun, that is if I am not tackled, roughed up, put in handcuffs when I declare my firearm at the airline counter at Newark/Liberty.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 07:44 PM (ZfBVE)

99 DESPP page:
https://tinyurl.com/yyxt5mm6
Posted by: hogmartin at November 03, 2019 07:38 PM (t+qrx)

Thanks, hog. Saw the USCCA page (have membership there); the DESPP is new info.

I'm used to real freedom in AZ. Forgot how bad it was in occupied territory. Grew up in SE CT where there is at least some semblance of an idea of freedom. It seems to have changed.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado) at November 03, 2019 07:44 PM (l7Kbv)

100 Wow, and I was agitated it took 7 months to get my suppressor. Glad I live in WY.

Whose palms did you grease to get it that quick?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at November 03, 2019 07:44 PM (lD3vL)

101 Some Walther PPK trivia:

The PPK was a compact version of Walther's PP (Polizei Pistole). Which is why people say the K stands for "Kompakt" or "Kurz" ("short"). It doesn't. It stands for "Kriminal", which is short for "Kriminalpolizei", basically German detectives. So the PPK is the German equivalent of a Colt Detective Special .38 snubbie.

The PPK/S ("Speziale") came about as a result of the Gun Control Act of 1968, which curtailed import of small handguns. The gummint used some goofy point system summing up the various dimensions of the guns, and the PPK fell just shy. A sharp fellow at Interarms, Walther's American importer, realized that the short barrel and slide of the PPK on the longer grip frame of the PP would give it enough size points to import, and the PPK/S was born.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 03, 2019 07:45 PM (j4zcI)

102 The gun-grabbers have a lot of bluster, but the truth of the matter is that most cops want to go home to their families at the end of the day. They are just as risk-averse as anyone else.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 03, 2019 07:43 PM (cfSRQ)

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Conversely, they also would like to have a family to go home to.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 03, 2019 07:45 PM (WEBkv)

103
I'm used to real freedom in AZ. Forgot how bad it was in occupied territory. Grew up in SE CT where there is at least some semblance of an idea of freedom. It seems to have changed.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado) at November 03, 2019 07:44 PM (l7Kbv)
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Amen to that.

It is nice to be able to take off my cover and open carry when I cross the border into AZ.

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 03, 2019 07:47 PM (WEBkv)

104 See if it is possible to get it past the editors.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at November 03, 2019 07:41 PM (lD3vL)

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I self-publish, so I doubt they care.

It would be really tedious reading, though, even though I get your point.

The 80 percent option seems easier.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 03, 2019 07:47 PM (cfSRQ)

105 Picked up a home defense gun on
Tues., didn't get to the range until today (weather). It's a Panzer Arms (Turkey) BP12. 12 gauge semi-auto bullpup design, 31 inches overall, 20 inch barrel, 9 pounds with an empty magazine. Ambidextrous safety, magazine release, charging handle (also has an AR15 type charging handle). 20 rounds of various 12 gauge with no hiccups, the only drawback is if you are a lefty - it will put the empties just under your nose.

Posted by: Panhandler at November 03, 2019 07:47 PM (S/rwf)

106 Over Columbus Day weekend I went on a mancation. 8 guys twisty roads several bottles of bourbon and a private range.

Not all at the same time.

One guy had this giant 44 magnum with an 8 in barrel and huge sight. Bear hunter kind of thing. unfortunately the range did not allow 44 so we did not get to shoot it. So a bunch of 9mm went down range. My 226. A couple of HK Vp9 (?) I think. A keltec PF9.

It was outdoor and just stand there and bang away. Great component to a toxic masculinity weekend.

Posted by: blaster at November 03, 2019 07:48 PM (ZfRYq)

107 Going through the Annual $100 renewal of Mass LTC - unrestricted. Just got the application back. I forgot to check the box that I have never renounced my citizenship. FFS.

Posted by: RI Red at November 03, 2019 07:49 PM (7kKK8)

108 I just received my carry permit, less than a month after completing the one-day course. I'm fortunate to live in SC.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 03, 2019 07:49 PM (H8QX8)

109 Congrats, scubadude on your NY permit--you have one of the rare ones. If it is still in print, look up Jim Cirrello's book with some great NYC PD stories. He was a genuine hero of the famous Stakeout Squad in the 1970's. Think the title was Guns, Bullets, and Gunfights.

Re 101, I had one of the last true PPK's imported into the U.S. before the GCA. It was a jamomatic, extremely accurate, and wanted blood sacrifice when firing (slide cuts). Taught me to handle all sorts of malfunctions--stove pipes, double feeds, even after several trips to the gunsmith.

Posted by: whig at November 03, 2019 07:50 PM (MItID)

110 The
PPK/S ("Speziale") came about as a result of the Gun Control Act of
1968, which curtailed import of small handguns. The gummint used some
goofy point system summing up the various dimensions of the guns, and
the PPK fell just shy. A sharp fellow at Interarms, Walther's American
importer, realized that the short barrel and slide of the PPK on the
longer grip frame of the PP would give it enough size points to import,
and the PPK/S was born.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 03, 2019 07:45 PM (j4zcI)

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The PPK is definitely on my list. I have the PK 380 and was out at the range with it today in fact. A friend just bought a S and W 380 so we compared him. He really enjoyed shooting .380 and I agree it's a fun round. I'm getting more and more into 'mouse guns,' particularly historical designs. I'm finding .32 is also fun.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 03, 2019 07:52 PM (cfSRQ)

111 I mentioned this on the book thread. I've been using a Lee hand press to prep cases while comfortable in my arm chair: decap, inspect, size and prime. All mechanical operations. I'm listening to LOTR on CD and it makes the perfect background while working on the cases. I get things done and don't get distracted from Tolkien's golden prose. I can get a couple hundred cases decapped or sized in the course of one CD.

I do not have any distractions when dispensing powder or seating bullets. That is a universe unto itself.

Posted by: JTB at November 03, 2019 07:53 PM (bmdz3)

112 " ... if I am not tackled, roughed up, put in handcuffs when I declare my firearm at the airline counter at Newark/Liberty.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 07:44 PM (ZfBVE) "

ROAD TRIP !

Srsly, barring force majeure I am never gonna put up with tsa again ... 10 years ago when I had to fly out to AZ to settle Papa Eez's estate on-site, the nonsense they put me through for ham radio equipment soured me on the whole procedure.

Drove a U-Haul home with his remaining guns & a crapton of books.

I like driving secondary - tertiary - quaternary roads, stopping for coffee, burgers, & ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at November 03, 2019 07:53 PM (JwHjN)

113 Mr. E saw 4 bucks and 20 does yesterday and today. Did not shoot because wanted the big one we saw last week. She hunted my (executive) stand and I am going to pry her ass out of it this Wed/Thur.

Posted by: Eromero at November 03, 2019 07:53 PM (UUkQp)

114 On the bright side, I retrieved the chips from the game cams out back today, and the Bambies love the salt I put on several stumps.
The Coyote loves the scent around the stumps.

Posted by: RI Red at November 03, 2019 07:54 PM (7kKK8)

115 Here's the handgun buying process in Maine:

Fill out form, wait ten minutes, walk out with pistol.

Carry it open or concealed, no permit needed.

Say, did I mention we have the lowest violent crime rate in the nation?

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 03, 2019 07:54 PM (j4zcI)

116 Re 101, I had one of the last true PPK's imported
into the U.S. before the GCA. It was a jamomatic, extremely accurate,
and wanted blood sacrifice when firing (slide cuts). Taught me to
handle all sorts of malfunctions--stove pipes, double feeds, even after
several trips to the gunsmith.

Posted by: whig at November 03, 2019 07:50 PM (MItID)

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Sounds like my Dreyse M1907. Now that we're getting into crap weather I'm going to swap out a bunch of springs on that venerable warrior and see if I can get to be just a little more reliable.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 03, 2019 07:54 PM (cfSRQ)

117 I had an apt in NYC back in the early 80's. My roommate, a fellow Southern, were hunters. We went down to the World Trade Center, where the NY Wildlife commission was to get our hunting licenses, we hunted on long island for ducks often.
We never thought about having guns in the apt. One morning, naive Southerners, we came back from hunting and were walking down 56th st with our dog, guns and waders at about 8 am. Our Apt was on 56th between 5th and 6th

The NYers thought it was a movie set. We had no clue why they were all staring at us. Maybe it was the big Lab?

NYC is nuts. I carried a PPK 32 for years up there, never had a clue I could have gone to jail for years, BUT I did know that the thugs that wanted to mug me knew they had better not. Thugs know when you are carrying.

Posted by: Kemp at November 03, 2019 07:54 PM (iyhvX)

118 Congrats, scubadude.

I picked up a Mark 4 4.5-14 scope from MidwayUSA. They were practically giving them away. I neec to work on my long range shooting, which for me is 400-800, for now.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 03, 2019 07:55 PM (1CjJc)

119 115
Here's the handgun buying process in Maine:

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 03, 2019 07:54 PM (j4zcI)

I had no idea. You can walk out of the store with a gun in 10 minutes in SC but need the permit to carry. I actually think the one-day safety and law course is a good idea.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 03, 2019 07:57 PM (H8QX8)

120 Here's the handgun buying process in Maine:

Fill out form, wait ten minutes, walk out with pistol.

Carry it open or concealed, no permit needed.

Say, did I mention we have the lowest violent crime rate in the nation?

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 03, 2019 07:54 PM (j4zcI)

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In Michigan it's even easier if you have a CPL. Fill out form, show license, get slip and leave. They don't have to do a background check if you have a valid CPL, which is nice. You still have to drop off the slip, but it's on my way to church, so if I buys something on Saturday, I'll drop the slip off after mass.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 03, 2019 07:57 PM (cfSRQ)

121 Hey, Weasel! Remind me what scope you were recommending a while back. My old emails are shy right now.

Posted by: RI Red at November 03, 2019 07:58 PM (7kKK8)

122 There was an episode of "Forgotten Weapons" highlighting a British SMG that uses entirely store-bought hardware. Doesn't say how to build it, but it's probably out there in the "dark web" everyone on CSI talks about.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 03, 2019 07:37 PM (cfSRQ)

Sten plans are readily available on the Light Web.

Forgotten Weapons has a video on the Viper (I think that was the name) which is a Sten with half the parts left off. They explain the concept well enough that your average mechanical engineer could do it with plans of the original Sten.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 03, 2019 07:58 PM (1g7ch)

123 Gunga la Gunga !

Posted by: JT at November 03, 2019 07:58 PM (arJlL)

124 So, there is Springfield Eddystone local to me. Patina, sporterized, but not drilled and tapped. Worth $280?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 03, 2019 07:58 PM (1CjJc)

125 He really enjoyed shooting .380 and I agree it's a
fun round. I'm getting more and more into 'mouse guns,' particularly
historical designs. I'm finding .32 is also fun.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd

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My absolute favorite handgun is my Beretta 1934 in .380. No slide markings, so it was probably built in '43-'44 and probably for the Krauts in Italy. It's cute as f*** and fun to shoot. And it's pretty cool that it's the grandpappy of the M9/M92.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 03, 2019 07:58 PM (j4zcI)

126 47....
Congrats on getting a deer McGYver. I'm assuming you got it with a bow.

Posted by: PacosMojo at November 03, 2019 07:59 PM (pV4s0)

127 Bought a cheap magmount antenna at HRO in Phoenix on my way to the high desert - and had to duct-tape it to the fiberglass roof of the uhaul.
Surprising how many people you can talk to, calling CQ on 146.52 !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at November 03, 2019 07:59 PM (JwHjN)

128 Speaking of PP's I bought one of these for $150, at a flea market in WI. Only problem, it shots a special round, police ultra. Not cheap.
PP Super

First marketed in 1972, this was an all-steel variant of the PP chambered for the 9×18mm Ultra
cartridge. Designed as a police service pistol, it was a blowback
operated, double-action pistol with an external slide-stop lever and a
firing-pin safety. A manual decocker lever was on the left side of the
slide; when pushed down, it locked the firing pin and released the
hammer. When the 9×19mm Parabellum
was chosen as the standard service round by most of the German police
forces, the experimental 9mm Ultra round fell into disuse. Only about
2,000 PP Super pistols were sold to German police forces in the 1970s,
and lack of sales caused Walther to withdraw the PP Super from their
catalogue in 1979

Posted by: Kemp at November 03, 2019 07:59 PM (iyhvX)

129 A.H. Lloyd,
Are you talking about the infamous Brit WWII era Sten Gun--you can still buy the kits and some guy down in FL sells steel tube receiver templated so that you have to do the cuts and drilling on it to install the parts kit on it.

It is actually easier (and illegal) to make a firearm that shoots full auto from an open bolt. It can be considered constructive possession to even have all the parts to make such on hand. To make one semi-auto takes a bit of doing with alterations to the sear, firing pin/bolt, a disconnecter, etc.

In the old Shotgun News, they had various home gunsmithing columns where they built various (usually WWII) era parts kits of various machine guns into legal to own semi-autos. If you are curious about building such, try to locate the Shotgun News Gunsmith Projects book of collected columns which has most of these projects together in one place. Amazon has some used ones. They also rebuilt a lot of historic military bolt actions as well which got me into that end of the hobby.

Posted by: whig at November 03, 2019 08:00 PM (MItID)

130 My absolute favorite handgun is my Beretta 1934 in
.380. No slide markings, so it was probably built in '43-'44 and
probably for the Krauts in Italy. It's cute as f*** and fun to shoot.
And it's pretty cool that it's the grandpappy of the M9/M92.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 03, 2019 07:58 PM (j4zcI)

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Damn you! That's also on my list.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 03, 2019 08:00 PM (cfSRQ)

131 sock_rat_eeze,
I have thought of doing a road trip from where I live to Texas, but the amount of time is prohibitive.I enjoy driving by myself as I have driven from here to Florida and back solo but it is starting to take a lot out of me, not as young as I wish I were.
Even though I get 5 weeks vacation I want to make the most of every single day. Thus I will deal with the TSA. I already have the TSA pre check and I just got the Global Entry for when I travel overseas.
I am planning a trip to Texas in February of next year and I am looking to flying into Dallas and do a road trip from Dallas to Austin to San Antonio and end in Houston and fly home from there.And I am hoping to have my Sig with me on that trip

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:00 PM (ZfBVE)

132 I occasionally consider designing a STEN variant using Glock 30rd magazines, then posting on the web

Posted by: Jean at November 03, 2019 08:01 PM (ZnbpH)

133 No range time for me, but I've added the Ruger Precision Rifle 22lr, suppressed by a DeadAir Mask, to my inventory.

It's, um, quiet.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at November 03, 2019 08:01 PM (T8HPM)

134
Tulsi Gabbard might not be a russian agent, but she sure is a bat-shitted insane leftist.

Her latest on youtube is a demand to get to the "truth" about 9/11, which of course brings out from the youtube sewer the anti-jews.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 03, 2019 08:02 PM (SfHsb)

135 Kemp, I wonder how that 9x18 Ultra compares dimensionally with the 9x19 Makarov?

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 03, 2019 08:02 PM (j4zcI)

136 121 Hey, Weasel! Remind me what scope you were recommending a while back. My old emails are shy right now.
Posted by: RI Red at November 03, 2019 07:58 PM (7kKK

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It was probably either a Nightforce NXS or Competition. MOAR-T reticle.

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 08:02 PM (Y8dq3)

137 Bought a cheap magmount antenna at HRO in Phoenix on my way to the high desert - and had to duct-tape it to the fiberglass roof of the uhaul.
Surprising how many people you can talk to, calling CQ on 146.52 !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez
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Using a handheld?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2019 08:02 PM (CDGwz)

138 I had a sawed off shotgun when I lived in NYC. Yeah I was a young and dumb and a semi-Redneck.

Posted by: Easy Andy at November 03, 2019 08:02 PM (2DOZq)

139 Derp. Make that 9x18 Makarov.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 03, 2019 08:03 PM (j4zcI)

140 Reading that NYC permit craziness makes me glad to live in the free world.

Posted by: Bert G at November 03, 2019 08:03 PM (OMsf+)

141 Bookmark
Time for lights to go out.
Have a nice night all.

Posted by: Skip at November 03, 2019 08:03 PM (ZCEU2)

142 I'm getting more and more into 'mouse guns,' particularly historical designs. I'm finding .32 is also fun. Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd

Welcome to the dark side.

Posted by: retropox at November 03, 2019 08:03 PM (cprte)

143 129
A.H. Lloyd,

Are you talking about the infamous Brit WWII era Sten Gun--you can
still buy the kits and some guy down in FL sells steel tube receiver
templated so that you have to do the cuts and drilling on it to install
the parts kit on it.

Posted by: whig at November 03, 2019 08:00 PM (MItID)

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I know about the Sten and have seen parts at shows. The upshot is that firearms are actually pretty simple machines and it's not that hard to fabricate them in an industrialized society.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 03, 2019 08:04 PM (cfSRQ)

144 Any deer not taken by your pickup is a good deal.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 03, 2019 08:04 PM (u82oZ)

145 124,
flounder, look for cracks in the receiver ring if it has been rebarrelled and Eddystone was made at a Remington subsidiary in WWI (from a leased Baldwin Locomotive factory)--this design came to us from the Brits (see their P14).

$280 can be a decent price if sportered and you want a rugged firearm. Rebarreling into another cartridge though will be a bit more expensive as these use coned barrels like the Springfield and the sporter barrels would have to be made special order. Criterion does make one in .308 though but you will have to install a mag block.

Posted by: whig at November 03, 2019 08:04 PM (MItID)

146 Her latest on youtube is a demand to get to the "truth" about 9/11, which of course brings out from the youtube sewer the anti-jews.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 03, 2019 08:02 PM (SfHsb)

What the hell?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 03, 2019 08:04 PM (ycWCI)

147 A 12-point buck blocked my way to dinner last Friday. But I let him go.

Mentioned that to a student getting her hunting license. She said "He sleeps on our property. I can't wait for hunting season."

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 03, 2019 08:06 PM (u82oZ)

148 Yes, I know the PPK is over-rated, but damn, she sure is pretty.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 03, 2019 07:30 PM (j4zcI)

Congrats. I never wanted a PPK like that, but I know what it feels like.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 03, 2019 08:06 PM (1CjJc)

149 Anyone ever heard anti-semitic theories about JFK? That is one event that seems to go right into their half tracked wheelhouse, but I cannot remember ever seeing anything.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 03, 2019 08:06 PM (ycWCI)

150 Posted by: Skip at November 03, 2019 08:03 PM (ZCEU2)
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'Night Skip!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 08:06 PM (Y8dq3)

151 Kemp,
56th between 5th and 6th?
Nice area :-)I can imagine the looks you were getting there.
FYI I used to work on 57th and Madison, now at 50th and 6th.
I miss working at 57th. Our floor looked out across 57th to the Dior building.The top floor of that building was all glass and they would have events there which we were able to see with no problem,especially where the models got ready. One year our company let us decide on 1 of 2 gifts, a nice scarf or binoculars. LOL

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:07 PM (ZfBVE)

152 "Keep and Bear" is free on Amazon Prime. A charming film about a man and his wife becoming gun people. They settle on an AR for home defense.

Posted by: Chris H at November 03, 2019 08:07 PM (bf54k)

153 Welcome to the dark side.

Posted by: retropox at November 03, 2019 08:03 PM (cprte)

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Yep. Once you get a caliber, you now have an excuse to buy more guns that use it. It's efficiency or something.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 03, 2019 08:07 PM (cfSRQ)

154 Is that Sig single action only?

Posted by: not so at November 03, 2019 08:08 PM (HALdu)

155 143, I have avoided rebuilding old smg because it is an easy way to get into legal trouble if your alterations to semi-auto malfunction. Some folks like making dummy guns with a non-functioning receiver.

The Sten had a bad enough rep in WWII anyway for accidental discharges.

Posted by: whig at November 03, 2019 08:08 PM (MItID)

156 Bought a cheap magmount antenna at HRO in Phoenix on
my way to the high desert - and had to duct-tape it to the fiberglass
roof of the uhaul.

Surprising how many people you can talk to, calling CQ on 146.52 !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at November 03, 2019 07:59 P

Nice! I picked up some odds and ends at a hamfest this weekend. I was going to get an ID-51A, but HRO ran out of them at the hamfest! Picking one up next week in Huntsville at Gigaparts, though.

Posted by: Bert G at November 03, 2019 08:08 PM (OMsf+)

157 Added a new toy to the Anti-Zombie supply room. Got a H&K 416 pistol in 22LR. Need to trick it out and get more mags, then it's range time.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 03, 2019 08:09 PM (u82oZ)

158 Surprising how many people you can talk to, calling CQ on 146.52 !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at November 03, 2019 07:59 PM (JwHjN)

In all the years driving around with an FT-7900r in my car, my call sign on a vanity plate, and a 146.52 sticker on the bumper, I never once heard anyone who wasn't on a repeater.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Posted by: hogmartin at November 03, 2019 08:09 PM (t+qrx)

159 145 124,
flounder, look for cracks in the receiver ring if it has been rebarrelled and Eddystone was made at a Remington subsidiary in WWI (from a leased Baldwin Locomotive factory)--this design came to us from the Brits (see their P14).

$280 can be a decent price if sportered and you want a rugged firearm. Rebarreling into another cartridge though will be a bit more expensive as these use coned barrels like the Springfield and the sporter barrels would have to be made special order. Criterion does make one in .308 though but you will have to install a mag block.
Posted by: whig at November 03, 2019 08:04 PM (MItID)

Thanks. I didn't look too closely. I was kind of shocked at the find. I would likely keep it 30 06 and possibly refurbish to factory trim, after seeing how she shoots.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 03, 2019 08:10 PM (1CjJc)

160 Weasel,

I never heard the end of your story. Is WW OK? I guess the car did not make it?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 03, 2019 08:10 PM (u82oZ)

161 BTW, congrats to Scuba Dude jumping through the hoops.
About 40 years ago, BIL bought me a nice holster for my model 10 .38 knockoff. - I was in RI and he was in upstate NY. Before he could buy it, he had to disclose the make and serial number of MY gun. So, in addition to all the other lists I may be on, NY has me. Just another white male terrorist.

Posted by: RI Red at November 03, 2019 08:10 PM (7kKK8)

162 154
Is that Sig single action only?

Posted by: not so at November 03, 2019 08:08 PM (HALdu)

The picture of my Sig up top?DA/SA
And it has a very nice short reset

:-D

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:10 PM (ZfBVE)

163 It is funny how much gun rights have been reduced over the years. When you watch an old detective or mystery show, even those set in California, the ownership of guns and sharing of guns and storing of guns in unlocked cars is everywhere and barely even noteworthy.

Posted by: not so at November 03, 2019 08:11 PM (HALdu)

164 135
Kemp, I wonder how that 9x18 Ultra compares dimensionally with the 9x19 Makarov?

You can NOT shot that round in the gun. It will shot 380 rounds. I have a separate magazine for 9mm Kurtz. The Maakarov round is too big or something, but it does not work.

Posted by: Kemp at November 03, 2019 08:11 PM (iyhvX)

165 160 Weasel,

I never heard the end of your story. Is WW OK? I guess the car did not make it?
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 03, 2019 08:10 PM (u82oZ)
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Hey Salty - she's still pretty sore and banged up but nothing broken. Yeah, the car was toast. Bought a new one last Saturday. Thanks for asking!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 08:12 PM (Y8dq3)

166 Too Much NY

Posted by: Poulsen treatment provider at November 03, 2019 08:12 PM (Bf3hj)

167 The picture of my Sig up top?DA/SA
And it has a very nice short reset

:-D
Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:10 PM (ZfBVE)

Handsome gun

Posted by: not so at November 03, 2019 08:12 PM (HALdu)

168 161
BTW, congrats to Scuba Dude jumping through the hoops.

About 40 years ago, BIL bought me a nice holster for my model 10
.38 knockoff. - I was in RI and he was in upstate NY. Before he could
buy it, he had to disclose the make and serial number of MY gun. So, in
addition to all the other lists I may be on, NY has me. Just another
white male terrorist.

Posted by: RI Red at November 03, 2019 08:10 PM (7kKK8

WHAT?!?!?!?!?That is freaking NUTS!!!!

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:12 PM (ZfBVE)

169 Does NYC require a *second* permit to actually use the weapon on your premises?

Posted by: Utility muffin at November 03, 2019 08:13 PM (ldmQR)

170 Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:10 PM (ZfBVE)
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I put short reset sears in all of my P series Sigs. Much better feel.

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 08:14 PM (Y8dq3)

171 169 Does NYC require a *second* permit to actually use the weapon on your premises?
Posted by: Utility muffin at November 03, 2019 08:13 PM (ldmQR)

Your estate can apply for it after your demise.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 03, 2019 08:14 PM (NWiLs)

172 Well, time to wander.

Have a good one, all!

Posted by: blake - are you DMV experienced?
at November 03, 2019 08:14 PM (WEBkv)

173 Congrats to Scuba Dude who not only went through the process successfully but provided reason umpty-ump for despising NYC in particular and all cities generally.
Posted by: JTB

Seconded !

Posted by: JT at November 03, 2019 08:15 PM (arJlL)

174 'Night blake!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 08:15 PM (Y8dq3)

175 You know we are getting spoiled, this Walter PP Super is a sweet gun, but damn it is heavy and only eight rounds.
Of course, it will last forever and if I run out of ammo, I can knock the asshole out with the gun.

Posted by: Kemp at November 03, 2019 08:15 PM (iyhvX)

176 It is interesting that scotus has not kicked the ny case off the docket even though the city council changed the law.

Posted by: not so at November 03, 2019 08:16 PM (HALdu)

177
Does NYC require a *second* permit to actually use the weapon on your premises?
Posted by: Utility muffin at November 03, 2019 08:13 PM (ldmQR)

Your estate can apply for it after your demise.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 03, 2019 08:14 PM (NWiLs)

You have to jump through hoops to get a gun in NYC but in CA If you say you found a gun on a bench on a pier , you can use it to kill somebody with no consequences.

Posted by: Easy Andy at November 03, 2019 08:16 PM (2DOZq)

178 Utility muffin,
I would hate to think I would ever have to use it anywhere other than the range.I did actually try to read the law as best as I could and it does appear NY does have somewhat of a "castle" law.Will not go into any detail but I think if I shot someone who breaks into my apartment I should be ok.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:16 PM (ZfBVE)

179 ya know, for a day that was an hour longer, this day shot by pretty fast !

Posted by: JT at November 03, 2019 08:16 PM (arJlL)

180 the $80 fingerprint fee

They did mine for free but I had to pay to get out.

Posted by: Chally at November 03, 2019 08:16 PM (wXw18)

181 You have to jump through hoops to get a gun in NYC but in CA If you say you found a gun on a bench on a pier , you can use it to kill somebody with no consequences.
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 03, 2019 08:16 PM (2DOZq)

Only if you're here illegally. If you're a citizen, you're fucked.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 03, 2019 08:17 PM (NWiLs)

182 159,
If the rear receiver ears are still on and the barrel has not been cut, then it can be restored. The hardware to do so is not bad nor are the handguards. Sarco and Apex gunparts are where I would start.

But, the stocks are expensive and can run about the same as what you paid for the rifle $250-300 if it has cartouches and is in decent shape. The CMP and Boyds used to sell replica stocks and Numrich did handle one as as well.

Occasionally one appears on Gunbroker or Fleabay but don't wait to get a stock if you see one that is in relatively good shape. The mag well is different on the Brit P14 cousin of the 1917 but some enterprising souls have converted P14 stocks to use a 1917 via a lot of inletting and the P14 stocks are a bit cheaper but are not correct for the m1917.

I paid about $180 for a buy it now on fleabay for one about 2-3 years ago and that was my last m1917 to restore.

Posted by: whig at November 03, 2019 08:17 PM (MItID)

183
They did mine for free but I had to pay to get out.
Posted by: Chally at November 03, 2019 08:16 PM (wXw1

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Ha!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 08:17 PM (Y8dq3)

184 177

Well YOU can't, unless you're a foreigner.

Posted by: Utility muffin at November 03, 2019 08:17 PM (ldmQR)

185 Yeah, scuba. One reason I'm in Live Free or Die now. Constitutional Carry, but I still get a local permit so I can renew in RI, MA and UT. Once you get a permit, you NEVER let it expire.

Posted by: RI Red at November 03, 2019 08:18 PM (7kKK8)

186 I would hate to think I would ever have to use it anywhere other than the range.I did actually try to read the law as best as I could and it does appear NY does have somewhat of a "castle" law.Will not go into any detail but I think if I shot someone who breaks into my apartment I should be ok.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:16 PM (ZfBVE)

How does NJ handle you bringing it into NJ?

Posted by: not so at November 03, 2019 08:18 PM (HALdu)

187 This is the first gun thread I've ever seen with appeal to the general, non-gun owning reader.

Posted by: mnw at November 03, 2019 08:18 PM (Cssks)

188 "Keep and Bear"
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Sounds like a 60's TV detective duo.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2019 08:18 PM (CDGwz)

189 Weasel, I think the trigger is what sold me the most and I am still quite a novice!
On another topic, when I get my rifle/shotgun I am really, really tempted to get a Garand through the CMP.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:18 PM (ZfBVE)

190 187 This is the first gun thread I've ever seen with appeal to the general, non-gun owning reader.
Posted by: mnw at November 03, 2019 08:18 PM (Cssks)
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Well I'm sorry to hear that! I try and sprinkle in some general fun stuff now and then.

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 08:20 PM (Y8dq3)

191 Congrats, Scuba Dude!

Bonus: He comes pre-equipped with the correct nic (and presumably, gear) to retrieve his Sig from the Hudson, after the inevitable canoe mishap.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 03, 2019 08:20 PM (QzJWU)

192 "Using a handheld?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2019 08:02 PM (CDGwz) "

Yaesu FT-90, probably the smallest full power mobile ever made.
"thermally challenged"
Took it apart every year or two to clean the heatsinks and fan, or it would just shut down when it was too hot.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at November 03, 2019 08:20 PM (JwHjN)

193 This is the first gun thread I've ever seen with appeal to the general, non-gun owning reader.

Posted by: mnw at November 03, 2019 08:18 PM (Cssks)

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We bring you in with the basics, then hammer you with debates about reloading presses.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 03, 2019 08:20 PM (cfSRQ)

194 Florida's process was pretty darn streamlined and painless compared to other horror stories I've heard, this one here as well as my dad's tale of terror from the police state of Illinois.

Posted by: Utility muffin at November 03, 2019 08:20 PM (ldmQR)

195 This is the first gun thread I've ever seen with appeal to the general, non-gun owning reader.
Posted by: mnw
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Many of *used* to be owners. Curiously, many canoeists also...which is odd for a gub thread.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2019 08:21 PM (CDGwz)

196 Not so,
I read enough forums and even what the NJ State Troopers have posted on their site that I feel comfortable bringing my Sig into NJ as long as I follow the law.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:21 PM (ZfBVE)

197 189 Weasel, I think the trigger is what sold me the most and I am still quite a novice!
On another topic, when I get my rifle/shotgun I am really, really tempted to get a Garand through the CMP.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:18 PM (ZfBVE)
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You will not be disappointed!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 08:21 PM (Y8dq3)

198 You have to jump through hoops to get a gun in NYC but in CA If you say you found a gun on a bench on a pier , you can use it to kill somebody with no consequences*.

Posted by: Easy Andy at November 03, 2019 08:16 PM (2DOZq)

*Unless you are a legal US citizen!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at November 03, 2019 08:21 PM (BiNEL)

199 A little unusual aspect of handloading is making gallery loads. I haven't done this for decades but remember it was fun.

Basically, it requires a sized and primed case, a pinch of powder (Unique is commonly used) and a round ball thumb pressed into the case mouth. I've done this with a .310 round ball, the size I use in 32 caliber muzzleloaders, in a 30-06 case and fired from a WW I era '03 Springfield. IIRC, it was surprisingly accurate out to 50 yards.

Of course, there is no recoil to speak of and the noise is minor. I always use hearing protection, even with 22 shorts. My ears are bad enough naturally without adding trauma to the mix.

An advantage is that a .310 round ball can be used in any 308 caliber like 30-06, 30-30, 308. I read about doing this with a .457 ball in a 45-70 rifle. That size ball is what I use in some cap and ball revolvers so I always have plenty available.

As I get some loaded and shot, I'll report back on how it went. It should be fun or at least interesting.

Posted by: JTB at November 03, 2019 08:21 PM (bmdz3)

200 "Did you all know these permits were available in NYC?"

Yes. There's actually a big case right now at the Supreme Court about the previous language of these licenses that restricted them to only going to approved ranges inside NYC. New York tried to moot the case by changing the language at the last minute but the court may go ahead and try the case anyways because there's nothing to prevent the state from changing it right back if the case is dismissed.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at November 03, 2019 08:21 PM (Mm4NK)

201 187 This is the first gun thread I've ever seen with appeal to the general, non-gun owning reader.
Posted by: mnw at November 03, 2019 08:18 PM (Cssks)

We also talk about bewbs.

Posted by: RI Red at November 03, 2019 08:21 PM (7kKK8)

202 194 Florida's process was pretty darn streamlined and painless compared to other horror stories I've heard, this one here as well as my dad's tale of terror from the police state of Illinois.
Posted by: Utility muffin at November 03, 2019 08:20 PM (ldmQR)

And of course there's no registration requirement here for ownership. There's only the rigmarole for getting a CWFL, but we're also shall-issue state so that's nice.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 03, 2019 08:22 PM (NWiLs)

203 Jim,
There already was a tragic canoe accident (nudge nudge wink wink) and I have a couple night dives planned. LOL
By the way, I actually have a clip (yes I said clip) of bullets from a WWI US Cruiser that sank off of Long Island back in 1918.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:23 PM (ZfBVE)

204 196 Not so,
I read enough forums and even what the NJ State Troopers have posted on their site that I feel comfortable bringing my Sig into NJ as long as I follow the law.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:21 PM (ZfBVE)

I'm sure they would gladly violate your civil rights to get their hands on your firearm. And even if you beat them in court for the unlawful search and seizure, you could kiss your gun goodbye.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 03, 2019 08:24 PM (NWiLs)

205 Not so,
I read enough forums and even what the NJ State Troopers have posted on their site that I feel comfortable bringing my Sig into NJ as long as I follow the law.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:21 PM (ZfBVE)

that's good

Posted by: not so at November 03, 2019 08:24 PM (HALdu)

206 On another note, I had been using some remanufactured ammo in 9mm and decided to try it in .380. Yeah, not so much.

This is the dirtiest stuff I've ever seen. The muzzle on my PK 380 looks like I dropped it in a mud puddle. After 100 rounds, everything began to gum up. Yeah, the cold might have been a factor, but when the slide was struggling to close after each shot I did what every normal shooter has to do:
Offered what was left to my buddy, who had just ran out.

"Gosh, that's swell of you!"

"Thank me later."

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 03, 2019 08:24 PM (cfSRQ)

207 I've never hunted. One of my neighbors is a bigly yuuge hunter. And he makes his own jerky which he generously shares with the 'hood. Delish!

Nice to have redneck-ish neighbors

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at November 03, 2019 08:25 PM (FiUMj)

208 To my understanding, NJ is EXTREMELY hostile to gun owners.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 03, 2019 08:25 PM (NWiLs)

209 202

Yup. Two years ago, the thought of just owning only occasionally popped into the back of my head but seem so much of a pain I never did anything about it. Now, I carry and never leave home without it. Because Florida, an entire state that's often off its meds.

Posted by: Utility muffin at November 03, 2019 08:26 PM (ldmQR)

210 Here's the handgun buying process in Maine:

Fill out form, wait ten minutes, walk out with pistol.

Carry it open or concealed, no permit needed.

Say, did I mention we have the lowest violent crime rate in the nation?

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at November 03, 2019 07:54 PM

Did you hear about the fellow who some years ago wandered about downtown Portland with a loaded AR-15? (NOT illegal in Maine or Portland!)

The local constabulary followed him around, and the city harrassed him mercilessly afterwards! I think they finally pinned some sort of bullshit "menacing" charge on him...

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Asetto at November 03, 2019 08:26 PM (7WaWV)

211 Thanks for the insight on getting a pistol in NYC. Makes me thankful to live in one of the square states where the whole gun buying experience can be accomplished inside of half an hour. I would have given up long before you did. Congratulations!

Posted by: Pod Hamp at November 03, 2019 08:27 PM (RBFmA)

212 159,
Flounder, if you have questions about the m1917 which is a decent price for a restorable one, join the The High Road (THR) firearms forum and start a thread there. I've restored about 5 total including P14's along with m1917's including from bare receivers so I had to learn where to get parts and the history of these before restoration.

The THR is my usual hangout and I do have a different id there because I work in a very firearms unfriendly industry.

Weasel, once again thanks for creating the open house for gunposting.

For all of you wanting a borescope though without spending a lot of dough, the new Teslong borescope can be had for about $50 or so and does some really good pictures if you have the software for it. It is long enough to fit 30 inch barrels and can do .30 and .22 caliber.

They have smartphone apps and I used my existing camera software on my computer to do the picture processing part.
Night.

Posted by: whig at November 03, 2019 08:27 PM (MItID)

213 Insomniac, I have read the stories of what NJ has put gun owners through. I just try to make sure I do not do anything to attract their attention when my nephew and I are heading to the range. But we also make sure we are following the law to transport our firearms to and from the range

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:27 PM (ZfBVE)

214 Why the P226?

Check out the new P320 line, and the 'Flux brace'.

ZOMFG!!0

Posted by: Andy Stern at November 03, 2019 08:27 PM (9rHtl)

215 I thought the Heller/McDonald (I always forget which one's which) decision told cities to LOLGF with restrictions on handgun ownership.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at November 03, 2019 08:27 PM (FiUMj)

216 A little unusual aspect of handloading is making gallery loads. I haven't done this for decades but remember it was fun.
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I recall an article *cough* cough*, decades ago, about using primer-only loads with hard wax 'slugs' for practicing pistol with a minimal backstop...while watching TV.

Of course, that was when one would be watching, oh, Ozzie and Harriet, and the instinct to plug the TV would not be as strong as it might be today.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2019 08:27 PM (xSo9G)

217 Yup. Two years ago, the thought of just owning only occasionally popped into the back of my head but seem so much of a pain I never did anything about it. Now, I carry and never leave home without it. Because Florida, an entire state that's often off its meds.
Posted by: Utility muffin at November 03, 2019 08:26 PM (ldmQR)

Didn't know you were in FL until today. I wonder if there's enough of a critical mass of Floridians for a FlaMoMe.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 03, 2019 08:27 PM (NWiLs)

218 @Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd

Yes and yes.

Posted by: Andy Stern at November 03, 2019 08:28 PM (9rHtl)

219 Posted by: whig at November 03, 2019 08:27 PM (MItID)
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You are very welcome, Whig. Goodnight and thanks for tuning in!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 08:28 PM (Y8dq3)

220 And of course there's no registration requirement here for ownership. There's only the rigmarole for getting a CWFL, but we're also shall-issue state so that's nice.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 03, 2019 08:22 PM (NWiLs)

Since the school shooting they changed it to a three day wait for all firearms (unless you have CWP). That is three full business days, not including weekends and holidays. So, I guess, if you buy on Monday you can pick up on Friday.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 03, 2019 08:28 PM (1g7ch)

221 A little unusual aspect of handloading is making gallery loads. I haven't done this for decades but remember it was fun.
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I recall when I was maybe 14 years old, using a dab of wax to adhere BB's to the mouth of .22 blanks. Worked, of course, but not very well.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2019 08:29 PM (xSo9G)

222 214
Why the P226?

Check out the new P320 line, and the 'Flux brace'.

ZOMFG!!0

Posted by: Andy Stern at November 03, 2019 08:27 PM (9rHtl
Well, I wanted one that had the Romeo1 optic (have to zero that in) and I wanted a Legion series.And I saw enough write ups and youtube clips about the 226 that just made me want one.
:-)

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:30 PM (ZfBVE)

223 Hogmartin, I've heard that from other people, too, Idunno ... sometimes no response, but other times, there it is.

Driving to Dayton one year we kept a roundtable going almost the whole way; new people in, others out, as time & miles went by.

Keep trying is all I can say, maybe I'll be driving by ...

Yeah, ScubaDude, I get that you probably have to fly for work (I remember work ... !) , I just like to vent about tsa, don't want to sound like I'm giving you a hard time or anything.
If I didn't carry radios and stuff I'd probably skate through.
And some day I will probably have to sack up, button my flap, and do it, too.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at November 03, 2019 08:31 PM (JwHjN)

224 Lurking Lurker,
Heller IIRC dealt with the actual ownership.The law that NYC had in place made it a felony if you took your licensed handgun OUT of the 5 boroughs of NYC.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:32 PM (ZfBVE)

225 197 ..."On another topic, when I get my rifle/shotgun I am really, really tempted to get a Garand through the CMP.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:18 PM (ZfBVE)"

ABSOLUTLEY!!! The Garand combines history with superb mechanics and accuracy. They are a delight you will never regret getting.

Not that I have an opinion on the matter. :-)

Posted by: JTB at November 03, 2019 08:32 PM (bmdz3)

226 Why the P226?

Check out the new P320 line, and the 'Flux brace'.

ZOMFG!!0
Posted by: Andy Stern at November 03, 2019 08:27 PM (9rHtl)

The 226 is a much nicer gun in every way that the 320, even though it is not very practical for edc. Not that SG is going to have to worry about edc unless his permit is for his triplex at the corner of 5th and 76th.

Posted by: not so at November 03, 2019 08:32 PM (HALdu)

227 Back in the late '80s and through the mid-'90s, I'd made three different motorcycle trips up to the Boston area, riding from my (then) home in San Antonio, TX.

The first one, directly to Boston, the second with a detour to a convention in Chicago, and the third with a detour to see my folks in Orlando.

Carried a Browning BDA .380 with me on every trip. My "holster" was a very bright blue DeSantis "fanny pack" holster.

I had a Disney World patch stitched to the outer cover. Looked "Dad World" as hell, and was the perfect "hide in plain sight" concealment for the gun.

The DeSantis design had a VERY subtle, second zipper pattern and location, so it didn't look like a "Gun Bag", even to an experienced eye.

And the fact that it wasn't black leather and tactical-looking, helped.

I knew the laws, and didn't care. I was 2,000 miles from home, over the road, solo on a motorcycle.

Damn if I was gonna be defenseless.

Nowdays?

I'd likely carry a wee mouse gun, Ruger LCPII in a pocket holster.

But I'd still carry.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at November 03, 2019 08:33 PM (QzJWU)

228 Just wanna say, how proud I am of Suba_Dude, AND how his experience reflects my own...in more ways than one!

I also live in NYC and went through this onerous process...it took 11 months. Anyway, spare you the details, but my first purchase was also a Sig P226 Legion and its the best.

I am a regular lurker but seeing this thread finally made me come out in the open.

Love this city, and believe it or not the second ammendment still applies!

Posted by: MDB at November 03, 2019 08:34 PM (V22w+)

229 Well, bashing y'all didn't work out as well as I'd hoped ...

Posted by: Beto at November 03, 2019 08:34 PM (DMUuz)

230 Anyone else getting ready for deer season? I just sighted in my Browning A-Bolt slug gun, along with a 300 BLK AR-pistol (legal in MN "slug zone").
Posted by: PacosMojo

Went back to modern firearm this year after bow hunting for the last 8. Late buck opens next weekend . Spent the day wandering (scouting) my property and my in laws which borders mine. Found 1 rub and a small scrap. Not overwhelming but enough to get me stoked.

Posted by: Sock Monkey...gathering is done for the year time to kill at November 03, 2019 08:34 PM (vSTQF)

231 Oh, one thing that I forgot to mention to Weasel about the process.After taking possession of my new handgun I had 72 hours (though the guy that gave me my license said it was 3 business days) to bring said pistol down to 1PP for the "inspections".

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:34 PM (ZfBVE)

232 We should have a shortwave MoMe!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 08:35 PM (MVjcR)

233
ABSOLUTLEY!!! The Garand combines history with superb mechanics and accuracy. They are a delight you will never regret getting.

Not that I have an opinion on the matter. :-)

Posted by: JTB at November 03, 2019 08:32 PM (bmdz3)

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Garands are a cult. Some guns are like that. 1911s are a cult. Glocks are a cult.

People just get together and talk about them...whole sites exist to discuss the minutae of the design, the variants, the variation.

Deep dark dangerous waters that I refuse to enter.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 03, 2019 08:35 PM (cfSRQ)

234 They are a delight you will never regret getting.
I had five millennials try out my Garand at the range today. 4 of the 5 asked "What is it?" before they sat down, all 5 were asking where can I get one when it was over.

Posted by: Panhandler at November 03, 2019 08:35 PM (S/rwf)

235 I'm sure they would gladly violate your civil rights to get their hands on your firearm. And even if you beat them in court for the unlawful search and seizure, you could kiss your gun goodbye.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 03, 2019 08:24 PM (NWiLs)

Yup....Johnny Law is never to be trusted.

Barney Fife lives only in re-runs.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 03, 2019 08:36 PM (Z+IKu)

236 I recall an article *cough* cough*, decades ago, about using primer-only loads with hard wax 'slugs' for practicing pistol with a minimal backstop...while watching TV.

You used to (maybe still? Anybody know where?) be able to get rubber slugs in .45 and .38 that you would hand press into a primed case. IIRC, you had to drill out the flash hole making the case unusable for ordinary reloading.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 03, 2019 08:36 PM (qc+VF)

237 "216 A little unusual aspect of handloading is making gallery loads. I haven't done this for decades but remember it was fun.
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I recall an article *cough* cough*, decades ago, about using primer-only loads with hard wax 'slugs' for practicing pistol with a minimal backstop...while watching TV.

Of course, that was when one would be watching, oh, Ozzie and Harriet, and the instinct to plug the TV would not be as strong as it might be today.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2019 08:27 PM (xSo9G) "

Back in the 80's , I think it was Speer made primer-only cases and wadcutter bullets in hard plastic for that - still got a box of them somewhere ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at November 03, 2019 08:37 PM (JwHjN)

238 The P320 is ok for the military I suppose, but it's not a P220 by any means, or certainly not anywhere near a Sig 1911.

Posted by: Eromero at November 03, 2019 08:37 PM (UUkQp)

239 Posted by: MDB at November 03, 2019 08:34 PM (V22w+)
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Very happy to have you here, MDB!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 08:37 PM (MVjcR)

240 The 226 is a much nicer gun in every way that the
320, even though it is not very practical for edc. Not that SG is going
to have to worry about edc unless his permit is for his triplex at the
corner of 5th and 76th.

Posted by: not so at November 03, 2019 08:32 PM (HALdu)

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Back when I owned guns, I had a 226 and the slide even said "Made in W. Germany."

Very nice. In fact, it's pretty much dominant on the range. Hard to find anything that measures up to it for accuracy.

And then the canoe sank...

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 03, 2019 08:38 PM (cfSRQ)

241 They are a delight you will never regret getting.
I had five millennials try out my Garand at the range today. 4 of the 5 asked "What is it?" before they sat down, all 5 were asking where can I get one when it was over.
Posted by: Panhandler

My next gun! Stage one is working on Mrs. Monkey.

Posted by: Sock Monkey...gathering is done for the year time to kill at November 03, 2019 08:38 PM (vSTQF)

242 Excellent!!!! We got another one!!!Welcome MDB!!Glad to know I am not alone here in the Big Apple.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:38 PM (ZfBVE)

243 Driving to Dayton one year we kept a roundtable going almost the whole way; new people in, others out, as time & miles went by.

Keep trying is all I can say, maybe I'll be driving by ...
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at November 03, 2019 08:31 PM (JwHjN)

Was there an event going on? If so, that might be it. Day to day, all I hear is repeaters (and then, only in the evening).

Posted by: hogmartin at November 03, 2019 08:39 PM (t+qrx)

244 Posted by: Panhandler at November 03, 2019 08:35 PM (S/rwf)
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If you EVER decide to part with the M1D, I can give it a nice home!!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 08:39 PM (MVjcR)

245 Deep dark dangerous waters that I refuse to enter.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 03, 2019 08:35 PM (cfSRQ

SU NIOJ

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:40 PM (ZfBVE)

246 Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:38 PM (ZfBVE)
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Look at you, bro! Bringing the lurkers out!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 08:40 PM (MVjcR)

247 Back when I owned guns, I had a 226 and the slide even said "Made in W. Germany."

Very nice. In fact, it's pretty much dominant on the range. Hard to find anything that measures up to it for accuracy.

And then the canoe sank...
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 03, 2019 08:38 PM (cfSRQ)

Such a nice toy. Funny a guy that buys such nice toys bought such a crummy canoe.

Posted by: not so at November 03, 2019 08:40 PM (HALdu)

248 216 ... "I recall an article *cough* cough*, decades ago, about using primer-only loads with hard wax 'slugs' for practicing pistol with a minimal backstop"

Mike, I remember those articles and made up a few in 38 special cases to try in the garage. This was early-ish 1980s. Easy to make the loads and they did work at close range. But cleaning the cases and the revolver afterwards was a real pain.

Posted by: JTB at November 03, 2019 08:40 PM (bmdz3)

249 If you EVER decide to part with the M1D, I can give it a nice home!!
I'll put you in the will - OK?

Posted by: Panhandler at November 03, 2019 08:41 PM (S/rwf)

250 I really do not know why I bought a 2nd hand canoe when I picked up my Sig from the FFL.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:42 PM (ZfBVE)

251 249 If you EVER decide to part with the M1D, I can give it a nice home!!
I'll put you in the will - OK?
Posted by: Panhandler at November 03, 2019 08:41 PM (S/rwf)
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Sure!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 08:42 PM (MVjcR)

252 Look at you, bro! Bringing the lurkers out!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 08:40 PM (MVjcR)
I am glad that I am not the only one.
Weasel I will do my best to post updates on my progress in getting to know my Sig and both hers and mine capabilities.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:44 PM (ZfBVE)

253 Some competitive shooters use low powered blank loads to fire-form new brass.

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 08:44 PM (MVjcR)

254 SU NIOJ

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:40 PM (ZfBVE)

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Yeah, so I'm that guy.

The guy who hates 1911s, Glocks, and Garands. Not a violent hatred, like when an old Michael Bolton tune comes on the radio, more of a "oh are they playing that damn tune" again hatred when "IIIIIII WIIILLL ALWAYSSS LOVE YOUUUUUUUUU" would hit the airwaves.

Enough already.

I do like SIGs, though, and applaud the P226 Legion. Love to have one, but can't justify getting a second wonder-nine when there are things I haven't yet lost in boating accidents like a Beretta 1934, Colt Pocket Hammerless, Browning 1900, etc.

But you're just beginning, so it's okay. You get to be snob later.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 03, 2019 08:45 PM (cfSRQ)

255 I messed up and let my cwp expire (ID) but luckily, there's a 6-month grace period for renewal, before requiring re-take of qualifying class &etc.

Info:

preview.tinyurl.com/y62fzanb

Also, ID cwp is good for more than just gubs:

preview.tinyurl.com/y4po94jx

Posted by: JQ at November 03, 2019 08:45 PM (gP/Z3)

256 Well, bashing y'all didn't work out as well as I'd hoped ...
Posted by: Beto
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Well, hell yes, it didn't work out.

Posted by: Sane mature adults at November 03, 2019 08:45 PM (xSo9G)

257
I am glad that I am not the only one.
Weasel I will do my best to post updates on my progress in getting to know my Sig and both hers and mine capabilities.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:44 PM (ZfBVE)
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Looking forward to it!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 08:45 PM (MVjcR)

258 Has someone her tried the meprolight sight?

Posted by: not so at November 03, 2019 08:47 PM (HALdu)

259 233 ... "Garands are a cult. Some guns are like that. 1911s are a cult. Glocks are a cult.

People just get together and talk about them...whole sites exist to discuss the minutae of the design, the variants, the variation."

A. H., I don't mind the talk but don't get tied up in the tiny details. The appeal of the Garand for me is history and performance. I save the minutiae for muzzleloaders.

Posted by: JTB at November 03, 2019 08:47 PM (bmdz3)

260 259 233 ... "Garands are a cult. Some guns are like that. 1911s are a cult. Glocks are a cult.

People just get together and talk about them...whole sites exist to discuss the minutae of the design, the variants, the variation."

A. H., I don't mind the talk but don't get tied up in the tiny details. The appeal of the Garand for me is history and performance. I save the minutiae for muzzleloaders.
Posted by: JTB at November 03, 2019 08:47 PM (bmdz3)
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The GCA Journal is a thing to behold.

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 08:48 PM (MVjcR)

261 Nice to have redneck-ish neighbors
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview

Hillbillies make better jerky.

Posted by: Sock Monkey...gathering is done for the year time to kill at November 03, 2019 08:49 PM (vSTQF)

262 -------
The GCA Journal is a thing to behold.
Posted by: Weasel
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This.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2019 08:49 PM (CDGwz)

263 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 03, 2019 08:45 PM (cfSRQ)

I am just beginning but how many will I buy is up for debate. 57 now and if I do buy something it will be something that I want and make sure I can afford it.Hoping that the small collection I amass, that will be going to my nephew when and if I pass on (LOL), will reflect my taste if firearms. I do like the historical nature of them and would love to own older firearms if I can afford them. That is why I would like to acquire a Garand, the historical value of them and also because I have heard they are really a pleasure to shoot.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:50 PM (ZfBVE)

264 Neighbors just gave us some deer burger and half-pound of backstrap (only me & hubby now)

Looks like bite-size steak for supper next weekend! Yum!

Posted by: JQ at November 03, 2019 08:51 PM (gP/Z3)

265 The GCA Journal is a thing to behold.
I went up to CMP South in Anniston a few years ago to check out the new M1Ds they were putting out for the first time. I got there an hour early and was met by about 100 people already waiting - not for the D model but for a shipment of IH Garands that had just been offered. I thought fights were going to break out.

Posted by: Panhandler at November 03, 2019 08:53 PM (S/rwf)

266 Garands are loads of fun to shoot.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 03, 2019 08:54 PM (NWiLs)

267 Thot I'd put this up for sh!ts and giggles. Apparently I wasn't the only predator out this weekend. I'd guesstimate around 175lb wolf. https://preview.tinyurl.com/y3k3yuaz

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at November 03, 2019 08:54 PM (gMngZ)

268 Hey Weasel,
I read about the Texas MoMe last week.Any chance a Yankee interloper might be able to attend the next one?I am not 100% Yankee, born in the Florida panhandle so hopefully that helps.

LOL

:-)

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:55 PM (ZfBVE)

269 The GCA Journal is a thing to behold.
Posted by: Weasel
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This.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
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https://thegca.org/

https://thegca.org/the-gca-journal/

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2019 08:55 PM (xSo9G)

270 Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:55 PM (ZfBVE)
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Hell yes! Email me this week!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 08:56 PM (MVjcR)

271 Looks like bite-size steak for supper next weekend! Yum!
Posted by: JQ

Chicken fried loin, mashed potatoes and gravy, home made biscuits... some green beans maybe, with good jam.
Too late for tomatoes probably.

Posted by: MarkY at November 03, 2019 08:56 PM (HbhkC)

272 MeproLight, Israeli, good stuff on AR.

Posted by: Eromero at November 03, 2019 08:56 PM (UUkQp)

273 Is this still the food thread?

Posted by: MarkY at November 03, 2019 08:56 PM (HbhkC)

274 MeproLight, Israeli, good stuff on AR.
Posted by: Eromero at November 03, 2019 08:56 PM (UUkQp)

Thanks

Posted by: not so at November 03, 2019 08:57 PM (HALdu)

275 260 259 233 ... "Garands are a cult. Some guns are like that. 1911s are a cult. Glocks are a cult.

People just get together and talk about them...whole sites exist to discuss the minutae of the design, the variants, the variation."

A. H., I don't mind the talk but don't get tied up in the tiny details. The appeal of the Garand for me is history and performance. I save the minutiae for muzzleloaders.
Posted by: JTB

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Ahem.

LOL

Posted by: CZ owners at November 03, 2019 08:57 PM (Y4EXg)

276 .Any chance a Yankee interloper might be able to attend the next one?
We had 55 folks there and representing about 11 states - MI, IA, OH - etc. The only requirement is that you have to be a Moron.

Posted by: Panhandler at November 03, 2019 08:57 PM (S/rwf)

277 Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 08:56 PM (MVjcR)
Will do, and my buddy Catch Thirty-Thr33 is a Texas native who I might wrangle to go too.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:58 PM (ZfBVE)

278 Hm... About 30 years ago I got a pistol permit for target practice. (It was really for defense; our landlord wanted to empty our building and sent muscle- the city and NYPD were useless). I had to pay for the permit and the fingerprint fee. No notarized statements needed; I just signed paperwork that said I wasn't seeing a psychiatrist.
To get a target license I had to join an NYPD approved range (very $$$$) and show paperwork. I had 24 hours to buy the guns and register at 1 Police Plaza. We got a Beretta (which we nicknamed Ray) and a S&W .357 Magnum we called Dave.
Michael and I loved the range; it's a very relaxing hobby and we did well. The gun came in handy the last time the landlord sent muscle. I was at work but Michael was home when some thug from the landlord tried to bust in the door and do a home invasion.
Michael had enough time to assume the correct stance and line up the sights so when the thug got in the door he was looking into the barrel of a .357. (Yes, he crossed the threshhold).
The skell left smoking skidmarks. No more landlord problems. But I hung my best targets in the hallway as a reminder, mainly showing my proficiency in the Mozambique Drill.

The super started to leave the rent invoices downstairs.

PS I'm still in the apartment.

Posted by: vivi at November 03, 2019 08:58 PM (11H2y)

279 Posted by: MarkY at November 03, 2019 08:56 PM

Oh, now you're talkin'!

Wonder if CBD will put up a game-cooking thread? (If he has in the past, I missed it.)

Posted by: JQ at November 03, 2019 08:58 PM (gP/Z3)

280 Okay, I gotta go get back to my vampires.
Night everyone!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 03, 2019 08:58 PM (cfSRQ)

281 Posted by: Panhandler at November 03, 2019 08:57 PM (S/rwf)
I would like to think I am a Moron, have mainly lurked AoS these many years but I do visit the site daily and make the occasional post.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 09:00 PM (ZfBVE)

282 I own Glocks and after some long consideration, I should rather own a hammer pistol, not a striker type pistol.
Because, w the Glock, I can't carry with one in the chamber without thinking about it every second.

Posted by: Atilla the Hun, waits and watches at November 03, 2019 09:00 PM (w7KSn)

283 Whew, late here.

I don't get it. How does the 32ACP cartridge get fired while held in the adapter? The primer is still waaaaay up there away from the firing pin, which would impact the center of the adapter's bottom. Right?

Posted by: rhomboid at November 03, 2019 09:00 PM (QDnY+)

284 277 Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 08:56 PM (MVjcR)
Will do, and my buddy Catch Thirty-Thr33 is a Texas native who I might wrangle to go too.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 08:58 PM (ZfBVE)
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The TXMoMe is one of the only things I'm willing to get on an airplane for anymore. You guys would not regret it!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 09:01 PM (Y8dq3)

285 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 03, 2019 08:58 PM (cfSRQ)
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' night A.H.!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 09:01 PM (MVjcR)

286 I don't get it. How does the 32ACP cartridge get fired while held in the adapter? The primer is still waaaaay up there away from the firing pin, which would impact the center of the adapter's bottom. Right?
Posted by: rhomboid at November 03, 2019 09:00 PM (QDnY+)

I would assume (dangerous, I know) that the adapter has a captive pin in it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 03, 2019 09:02 PM (/sgva)

287 Posted by: vivi at November 03, 2019 08:58 PM (11H2y
Wow, thankful that my landlord and his family are great people and he is even a gun owner (only in PA though). Seeing that I was able to get my handgun license he might try and get his.Also, he is going to work with me to strengthen the door to my apartment by getting a steel screen door. And he also has video surveillance around the outside of the house.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 09:04 PM (ZfBVE)

288 >> 258 Has someone here tried the meprolight sight?
>> Posted by: not so at November 03, 2019 08:47 PM (HALdu)

I've used one once on a friend's Tavor (which is the Meprolight's natural home). Overall it seemed decently ok. Functional. For my own use, I'd probably stay with an eotech.

With any of the 'self powered' illuminated sights, an issue arises when you have to shoot from a nicely shaded shooting area with no sun to feed the 'self powered' sight. If the targets are un-shaded out in the bright sun, the sight leaves something to be desired (ie. a visible aiming point).

Posted by: Lazy Messenger at November 03, 2019 09:04 PM (f0Pv6)

289
I don't get it. How does the 32ACP cartridge get fired while held in the adapter? The primer is still waaaaay up there away from the firing pin, which would impact the center of the adapter's bottom. Right?
Posted by: rhomboid at November 03, 2019 09:00 PM (QDnY+)
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Well that's a good question.

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 09:05 PM (MVjcR)

290 Permits are bullshit. Does the Washington Post need a permit to own a printing press?

Posted by: JAS at November 03, 2019 09:05 PM (DBGf/)

291 I would like to think I am a Moron, have mainly lurked AoS these many years but I do visit the site daily and make the occasional post.
Posted by: Scuba Dude

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If you have every used the terms "surprise anal", or "Phrasing!", you are.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 03, 2019 09:05 PM (Y4EXg)

292 Because, w the Glock, I can't carry with one in the chamber without thinking about it every second.
Posted by: Atilla the Hun
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I have the same problem. A trigger safety ain't much of a safety on a locked/cocked pistol.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2019 09:05 PM (CDGwz)

293 Posted by: Tonypete at November 03, 2019 09:05 PM (Y4EXg)
Ummmmmmmmmm (ruffles pages) "PHRASING!!!!!!"

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 09:06 PM (ZfBVE)

294 Well that's a good question.
Posted by: Weasel
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Yeah, I am assuming that there is a 'transfer' firing pin.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2019 09:06 PM (xSo9G)

295 McGyver, looks like a Great Dane to me. Keep an eye out for that little barrel of brandy they wear around the neck.

Posted by: RI Red at November 03, 2019 09:07 PM (7kKK8)

296 To me the lack of an external safety on a Glock is a plus. The fewer fine motor movements I have to make in a self-defense situation the better. The only handgun I sometimes carry that has an external safety is an M&P Shield, though I never engage it.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 03, 2019 09:07 PM (NWiLs)

297
Yeah, I am assuming that there is a 'transfer' firing pin.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2019 09:06 PM (xSo9G)
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I guess it would have to be something like that.

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 09:07 PM (MVjcR)

298 The gun came in handy the last time the landlord sent muscle. I was at work but Michael was home when some thug from the landlord tried to bust in the door and do a home invasion.

OK, that's frickin' crazy. If I didn't already have reason enough to avoid NYC, knowing that landlords would terrorize their own tenants would clinch it.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 03, 2019 09:08 PM (qc+VF)

299 Greetings:

I grew up in the Bronx of the '50s and '60s. Back there and then, the "Sullivan" law governed handguns and if you weren't a retired cop, politically connected , or running a cash business your chance of success was in the low single digits of the probability scales.

Alternatively, the guy who hung out in the local candy store could get you a suitable piece in a couple of days and a specific make or model within a couple of weeks.

Posted by: 11B40 at November 03, 2019 09:08 PM (evgyj)

300 My nephew does not have his concealed permit but he has already purchased a gun he would like to make his concealed. It is a 5 shot revolver with a shrouded hammer. I believe it will shoot a .357 magnum.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 09:08 PM (ZfBVE)

301 Noted a few times in the past, but confirming what others here are saying, M1 is *the* most asked about/most popular for first-time shooters at the range. For the broadest category of people. Real afficionados of gunz, collectors, etc will focus on whatever is in their lane. But anecdotal observation is that the M1 wins the beauty contest.

Last time I had mine at duty day there were several young Coast Guard counter-terror guys stowing their target gear in the conex after a training session on adjacent range and they took great notice of me firing the M1. I turned around at one point and held it up and opened one hand toward them, offering to let them shoot it - but an officer there smiled said thanks but "no time".

Posted by: rhomboid at November 03, 2019 09:08 PM (QDnY+)

302 God why do they keep torturing us with this damn time change? It's a little after 8 and I want to go to bed.

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 03, 2019 09:09 PM (dUJdY)

303 BTW, when we moved to Florida for a while sending the guns south was a lot more hoopla. I had to sell the guns to John Jovino in NYC, and they sold the guns to a gundealer in Miami. We bought them back from the dealer in Fl. I held onto the paperwork of the sale in NYC because you never know.

Damned if five years or so later I got a call from the NYPD checking up on my paperwork for the sale. Good thing I still had it and read them the date and file number over the phone. The cop on the end of the line sounded a little.....disappointed.

I heard that the NYPD will look for any reason to pull a pistol permit, including getting points on your drivers license.

I had to sell Dave and Ray after Michael died and I couldn't handle a place in Fl anymore. It's very expensive to have a target permit in NYC!!

Posted by: vivi at November 03, 2019 09:09 PM (11H2y)

304 Because, w the Glock, I can't carry with one in the chamber without thinking about it every second.
My carry is a SIG P938 - round in the chamber, safety off, half cock (good ole 1911 ergos) - thumb the hammer back while drawing.

Posted by: Panhandler at November 03, 2019 09:09 PM (S/rwf)

305 302 God why do they keep torturing us with this damn time change? It's a little after 8 and I want to go to bed.
Posted by: Jewells45 at November 03, 2019 09:09 PM (dUJdY)

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Can't wait for my order, girl!

Posted by: SMH at November 03, 2019 09:10 PM (RU4sa)

306 OK, that's frickin' crazy. If I didn't already have reason enough to avoid NYC, knowing that landlords would terrorize their own tenants would clinch it.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 03, 2019 09:08 PM (qc+VF)

I am guessing "rent-controlled" apartment, and that the law states as long as one tenant remains in the building, rents cannot be raised. Should all tenants vacate, landlord can do some renos, and come on the market as "new units" at the now-prevailing rate.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 03, 2019 09:11 PM (/sgva)

307 Posted by: vivi at November 03, 2019 09:09 PM (11H2y)
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Thanks for contributing your story!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 09:12 PM (MVjcR)

308 own Glocks and after some long consideration, I should rather own a hammer pistol, not a striker type pistol.
Because, w the Glock, I can't carry with one in the chamber without thinking about it every second.
Posted by: Atilla the Hun, waits and watches at November 03, 2019 09:00 PM (w7KS

I've carried a Glock for over twenty years . Unless you pull the trigger it ain't going off.

Posted by: Easy Andy at November 03, 2019 09:12 PM (2DOZq)

309 SMH!!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 09:12 PM (MVjcR)

310 The problem is with me thinking about it, not it going off.

Posted by: Atilla the Hun, waits and watches at November 03, 2019 09:13 PM (w7KSn)

311 I also appendix carry so you must think I'm crazy.

Posted by: Easy Andy at November 03, 2019 09:13 PM (2DOZq)

312 I am guessing "rent-controlled" apartment,...

Ah. So another "unintended consequence" of the benevolent government looking out for us. Should have known.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 03, 2019 09:13 PM (qc+VF)

313 310 The problem is with me thinking about it, not it going off.
Posted by: Atilla the Hun, waits and watches at November 03, 2019 09:13 PM (w7KSn)

Have you tried deep breathing exercises?

Posted by: Insomniac at November 03, 2019 09:13 PM (NWiLs)

314 297
Yeah, I am assuming that there is a 'transfer' firing pin.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2019 09:06 PM (xSo9G)
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I guess it would have to be something like that.
Posted by: Weasel
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I gather that the Marble Co. has been out of business for some while. There are sundry images on the 'net.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2019 09:13 PM (xSo9G)

315 BtB!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 09:14 PM (MVjcR)

316 Weasel!

Awesome post.

Way to go, Scuba Dude.

Nice meeting ya.

Posted by: SMH at November 03, 2019 09:14 PM (RU4sa)

317 Catherine Herridge abandoned Fox for CBS.

Why?

Posted by: mikeyG at November 03, 2019 09:14 PM (93FI+)

318 311 I also appendix carry so you must think I'm crazy.
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 03, 2019 09:13 PM (2DOZq)

I prefer glossary carry.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 03, 2019 09:14 PM (NWiLs)

319 289, well I finished dinner and the thread is still going so,

One sort of cartridge adaptor has a firing chamber inside the adaptor and sometimes a bit of rifling too. The cartridge is inserted at the rear of the adaptor and there is a short bore within the cartridge adaptor's neck which is usually freebore unless you are shooting a .22 cartridge adaptor in a .30 caliber rifle or larger and then it usually has a short bit of rifling in front. You then have the extract the fired cartridge from the adaptor.

Another sort is more complicated and usually used for rimfire cartridges in a centerfire. The Hoffer Thompson (of Thompson machine gun fame) gallery rifles look and act like regular .30-06 rifles but used special cartidges that fired a .22 Short or Long (cannot remember). These adaptors would fit in a charging clip and each cartridge adaptor has its own firing pin to touch off the rimfire round after being whacked by the regular bolt's firing pin. You had to have a special tool to dig out the fired case so the Feds went to the .22 LR adaption of the 1903 postwar. A Hoffer Thompson goes with adaptors (it has a special chamber so that .30-06 will not fire) for about $2000 and up.

Posted by: whig at November 03, 2019 09:14 PM (MItID)

320 317 Catherine Herridge abandoned Fox for CBS.

Why?
Posted by: mikeyG at November 03, 2019 09:14 PM (93FI+)

Money.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 03, 2019 09:15 PM (NWiLs)

321 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 03, 2019 09:11 PM (/sgva
I have been very lucky. I have been in my current apartment for almost 5 years and my landlord has yet to raise my rent.My previous apartment I was in for 20 years and 3 landlords (Grandfather/Daughter then Son) and my rent was raised maybe 4 or 5 times in that period and a very reasonable increase.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 09:15 PM (ZfBVE)

322 Re the Marble adapter - yeah, I'd figure the same [transfer pin]. Just curious if anyone actually knew.

Meanwhile, probably going to get a light-holder for the Mossberg 500 for when it's in its home-defense mode. The 18.5" barrel.

An outfit called GG and G in AZ has a simple magazine-mounted thing that has a Picatinny rail and a sling slot, you just slip it under the screw when you tighten it into the magazine. Looks simple. I know there's one another small place that has similar mounts, but can't recall their name.

Not interested in dedicated or special fore-ends for this purpose [several big names have those], just something simple to add when switching to the 18.5" barrel. Quick and easy.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 03, 2019 09:17 PM (QDnY+)

323 306 - actually we were the last tenants in the building (and rent controlled, too) and the landlord wanted to sell the building empty.

Actually the way the laws work now, a landlord is obligated to offer a rent regulated tenant a lease renewal. My building has market rate tenants and one or two regulated tenants.
The guy just wanted an empty building and we turned down his buyout offer, which was tiny. Instead of a counteroffer, he sent thugs.

Posted by: vivi at November 03, 2019 09:17 PM (11H2y)

324 I also appendix carry so you must think I'm crazy.

1) Appendix is in your operating and working zone.

2 ) Appendix is easily defended and and secured ( compared to reaching backward and hoping that your 29 year old shoulders hold up.
3) Appendix is right next to your spare mags.

4) Appendix carry reminds you not to get fat.

Posted by: mikeyG at November 03, 2019 09:17 PM (93FI+)

325 also appendix carry so you must think I'm crazy.
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 03, 2019 09:13 PM (2DOZq)

I prefer glossary carry.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 03, 2019 09:14 PM (NWiLs)

You alternate your carry location based on the alphabetical order.

Posted by: Easy Andy at November 03, 2019 09:17 PM (2DOZq)

326 Ok, does anyone have a barrel adapter that you can clamp on a 10-22 or 22-45 that allows you to Thread things on without having a threaded barrel?

Posted by: RI Red at November 03, 2019 09:18 PM (7kKK8)

327 4) Appendix carry reminds you not to get fat.
If I were to attempt to appendix carry right now the barrel would be aimed at something I do not care to damage (and no it is not my toes).

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 09:20 PM (ZfBVE)

328 Shipping tomorrow SMH and thank you so much!!!

Posted by: Jewells45 at November 03, 2019 09:21 PM (dUJdY)

329 I carry strong side, IWB.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 03, 2019 09:21 PM (NWiLs)

330 321 - scuba dude, you're lucky in your landlord...The Bad Guy was two landlords ago and the current one is very responsive and fixes stuff...but the rent goes up the maximum allowed by law every year or two.

Posted by: vivi at November 03, 2019 09:21 PM (11H2y)

331 just got home from a 3 hour or so lunch/dinner with my 92yo aunt and one of her daughters... time well spent.

have i missed anything good?

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 03, 2019 09:22 PM (/7QQs)

332 Actually the way the laws work now, a landlord is obligated to offer a rent regulated tenant a lease renewal. My building has market rate tenants and one or two regulated tenants.
The guy just wanted an empty building and we turned down his buyout offer, which was tiny. Instead of a counteroffer, he sent thugs.

Posted by: vivi at November 03, 2019 09:17 PM (11H2y)

Nevertheless, the situation that caused the landlord to resort to thugs was an unintended consequence of rent controls. Make impossible to legally make a tenant vacate, some landlords will choose illegal means.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 03, 2019 09:22 PM (/sgva)

333 5) Appendix carry folks LOVE recliners. And ottomans.

6) Appendix carry means that you are never more than 2.75 seconds from bustin leather/Kydex and acquiring front sight

Posted by: mikeyG at November 03, 2019 09:22 PM (93FI+)

334 I carry strong side, IWB.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 03, 2019 09:21 PM (NWiLs)

Insom, one gun I carry I carry strong side, IMB.

As in, In My Briefcase.

Posted by: RI Red at November 03, 2019 09:23 PM (7kKK8)

335 I had my appendix holster removed when I was six. They let me have all the ice cream I wanted.

I used to carry IWB at about 5 o'clock, but then I lost a little weight over the summer and what do you know, IWB hip carry at just past 3 is a real thing that can be done and conceals just fine. As a bonus, it also doesn't feel awkward when driving.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 03, 2019 09:23 PM (t+qrx)

336 Ok, calling it a night.
Thank you Weasel for the write up, it was fun coming out of the shadows here at AoS.

I will do my best to keep you apprised of my progress.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 09:23 PM (ZfBVE)

337 If you get a bug about a certain caliber or firearm, check for a thread dedicated to that. There are a few on The High Road that have been going on for years. One is about the 41 magnum, another about the Ruger Old Army, there was one about the Smith and Wesson Model 10 but I don't think that one is still active. The Cast Boolits site has several, including one about the Lee Loader (whack-a-mole) kits. These threads include nostalgia, history of changes, current tips on use, and the enthusiasm is enjoyable.

These sites usually include pinned threads on specific matters that are added to over the years. There is a lot of great information contained in these.

Posted by: JTB at November 03, 2019 09:23 PM (bmdz3)

338

have i missed anything good?
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 03, 2019 09:22 PM (/7QQs)
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Scuba_Dude got his NYC gun permit!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 09:23 PM (MVjcR)

339 I carry strong side, IWB.

I love my SS hip brothers.

Posted by: mikeyG at November 03, 2019 09:24 PM (93FI+)

340 336 Ok, calling it a night.
Thank you Weasel for the write up, it was fun coming out of the shadows here at AoS.

I will do my best to keep you apprised of my progress.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 09:23 PM (ZfBVE)
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' night SD. Thanks again for sharing your story and it's a pleasure to have you here!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 09:24 PM (Y8dq3)

341 've used one once on a friend's Tavor (which is the Meprolight's natural home). Overall it seemed decently ok. Functional. For my own use, I'd probably stay with an eotech.

With any of the 'self powered' illuminated sights, an issue arises when you have to shoot from a nicely shaded shooting area with no sun to feed the 'self powered' sight. If the targets are un-shaded out in the bright sun, the sight leaves something to be desired (ie. a visible aiming point).
Posted by: Lazy Messenger at November 03, 2019 09:04 PM (f0Pv6)

Thanks

Posted by: not so at November 03, 2019 09:26 PM (HALdu)

342 Any cross draw maniacs out there?

Posted by: mikeyG at November 03, 2019 09:26 PM (93FI+)

343 BtB!

Hey Weasel! As always, thanks for doing the best thread of the week. (Well, maybe the book thread is a photo-finish tie.) Look for an email from me this week. I've been mulling something over for a while and circumstances may be pushing me to decide whether I should do something that you may be interested in.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 03, 2019 09:27 PM (qc+VF)

344 Weasel:

p.s. first or second focal plane for looong range?

Posted by: RI Red at November 03, 2019 09:27 PM (7kKK8)

345 343 BtB!

Hey Weasel! As always, thanks for doing the best thread of the week. (Well, maybe the book thread is a photo-finish tie.) Look for an email from me this week. I've been mulling something over for a while and circumstances may be pushing me to decide whether I should do something that you may be interested in.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 03, 2019 09:27 PM (qc+VF)
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My pleasure. And you're welcome to email anytime!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 09:28 PM (MVjcR)

346 322, There is a guy in alaska that makes cartridge adaptors during the dark winters up there and does something else in the summers. He bought the business from a guy who went under MCA Sports which used to have ads in gunmags.

The Marbles cartridge adaptors are collectibles now.

If I remember correctly, there is another guy in Canada that makes them too but then you have the whole customs issue regarding importation.

Basically, all of the rimfire conversions usually have a separate firing pin inside the adaptor due to the need to hit the rim. The Marble type simply allows you to fire a low powered centerfire pistol cartridge in a rifle and holds the cartridge at the right place so that it headspaces correctly and does not let an in spec rifle firing pin perforate the pistol primer as the primer cups on pistol primers are thinner.

There are quite a few for shotguns to fire centerfire pistol cartridges and these usually have a short bit of rifling to send the bullet on its way.

I actually have a Hoffer Thompson receiver that was rebarrelled post war. That is one that I will never fire after I restored it. You will find a page or two in Brophy's 1903 book on them.

Posted by: whig at November 03, 2019 09:28 PM (MItID)

347 344 Weasel:

p.s. first or second focal plane for looong range?
Posted by: RI Red at November 03, 2019 09:27 PM (7kKK

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Second. I've never seen any reason to spend the extra dinero.

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 09:30 PM (MVjcR)

348 ZOD,

Posted by: Zod at November 03, 2019 09:30 PM (XzT/D)

349 ZOD,
Sorry, I've been at it all day and my knees hurt - you'll have to find someone else at abase themselves.

Posted by: Panhandler at November 03, 2019 09:32 PM (S/rwf)

350 Permits are bullshit. Does the Washington Post need a permit to own a printing press?

I imagine that they need an occupancy permit, a business license, be registered by various tax authorities and a host of other things they are required to register, pay fees or taxes on for the sake of operating a business.

Some states even have ad valorum taxes on business equipment.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at November 03, 2019 09:33 PM (lD3vL)

351 332, you might be interested in Summit Gun Brokers offerings. They have some new riot guns with the surefire light actually embedded in the pump grip as an integral part. Think these are Remington 870 Wingmasters though. He did have some that were in orange to designate less than lethal loadings for the police (course they fire regular shotgun shells just fine.).

Nebo used to make some laser/light holders though for the Mossberg 500.

Posted by: whig at November 03, 2019 09:33 PM (MItID)

352 >>342 Any cross draw maniacs out there?
Posted by: mikeyG at November 03, 2019 09:26 PM (93FI+)

Yes. Right-handed, holster bolted to left temple.

Nothing says "wrong bull to fuck with" like a skull-mount.

Posted by: Zod at November 03, 2019 09:33 PM (XzT/D)

353 Weasel, As always, thanks for the thread. It's a fun way to close out the weekend and helps me with baseball withdrawal. Our best to WeaselWoman as she heals. Prince sends his regards to WeaselDog.

Posted by: JTB at November 03, 2019 09:34 PM (bmdz3)

354 ZOD,

Well, can't argue with that. The comma seems uncharacteristically tentative though.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 03, 2019 09:34 PM (qc+VF)

355 "243 Driving to Dayton one year we kept a roundtable going almost the whole way; new people in, others out, as time & miles went by.

Keep trying is all I can say, maybe I'll be driving by ...
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at November 03, 2019 08:31 PM (JwHjN)

Was there an event going on? If so, that might be it. Day to day, all I hear is repeaters (and then, only in the evening).

Posted by: hogmartin at November 03, 2019 08:39 PM (t+qrx) "

The Thursday before Hamvention ... hundreds of cars driving toward Dayton from every point of the compass.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at November 03, 2019 09:35 PM (JwHjN)

356 353 Weasel, As always, thanks for the thread. It's a fun way to close out the weekend and helps me with baseball withdrawal. Our best to WeaselWoman as she heals. Prince sends his regards to WeaselDog.
Posted by: JTB at November 03, 2019 09:34 PM (bmdz3)
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Thanks JTB! Always a pleasure to have you here.

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 09:35 PM (MVjcR)

357 Thanks for the thread, as always, Weasel !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at November 03, 2019 09:35 PM (JwHjN)

358 >>349 ZOD, Sorry, I've been at it all day and my knees hurt - you'll have to find someone else at abase themselves. Posted by: Panhandler at November 03, 2019 09:32 PM (S/rwf)

Your mewling was not solicited.

Posted by: Zod at November 03, 2019 09:36 PM (XzT/D)

359 7 Thanks for the thread, as always, Weasel !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at November 03, 2019 09:35 PM (JwHjN)
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You're very welcome, sock_rat!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 09:36 PM (MVjcR)

360 Nothing says "wrong bull to fuck with" like a skull-mount.

Maybe it's just because I'm on my 2nd scotch but that made me laugh.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 03, 2019 09:37 PM (qc+VF)

361 Goodnight again Weasel,
I try to leave but the thread keeps calling me back. Did not get to go to the range but I did reload some .32 S&W Longs for a new to me Rossi and Colt New Police Transition model. Probably go this week as these don't hurt to shoot.

Thanks again for your gracious hosting.

Posted by: whig at November 03, 2019 09:38 PM (MItID)

362 Once again, thanks everyone for spending at least part of your Sunday evening here. I really do appreciate your participation. Have a great week all!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 09:38 PM (MVjcR)

363 332 - Actually the landlord could have legally gotten us to vacate if he made a counteroffer for us to move, which was a common practice at the time. Instead of negotiating, he chose muscle because he was a thug. He chose to be a criminal. He wasn't 'driven' or 'forced" to do anything...he bought the building knowing there were rent regulated tenants.

I think the laws of supply and demand don't really work in NYC real estate and similar areas. For instance, after 9/11 the city offered financial incentives to keep people from moving out of downtown en masse. The landlords raised the rents to include the incentives in the new rents.

Posted by: vivi at November 03, 2019 09:38 PM (11H2y)

364
Thanks again for your gracious hosting.
Posted by: whig at November 03, 2019 09:38 PM (MItID)
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You are most welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 09:39 PM (MVjcR)

365 Good stuff. Night, amigo.

Posted by: RI Red at November 03, 2019 09:42 PM (7kKK8)

366 365 Good stuff. Night, amigo.
Posted by: RI Red at November 03, 2019 09:42 PM (7kKK

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Thanks, pal. ' night.

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 09:43 PM (MVjcR)

367 "What is that attached to your head?"
"A holster."
"For a gun?"
"No. For a backup cock. Move, I can't see the dancer."
(pause)
"Does it hurt?"
"You tell me."
(draws, fires, ending the annoyance)
"Please remove him. Also, bring an overpriced hamburger to me and inform the dancer that her nipples are concealed."

Posted by: Zod at November 03, 2019 09:44 PM (XzT/D)

368 I think the laws of supply and demand don't really work in NYC real estate and similar areas. For instance, after 9/11 the city offered financial incentives to keep people from moving out of downtown en masse. The landlords raised the rents to include the incentives in the new rents.

Posted by: vivi at November 03, 2019 09:38 PM (11H2y)

Well, of course they don't work. Years and years of government meddling have seen to that. If rentals were an unregulated market, the landlord could have simply given you a 90 day notice to vacate, and that would be that. At which point, you would make the rounds of other landlords, let them know what good tenants you have been, and get one of them to roust one of his poorly-performing tenants in favor of you folks.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 03, 2019 09:44 PM (/sgva)

369 Thanks for the informative thread, Weasel. And may WW heal completely and soon.

We had a competent bacon wenchwoman this year at the MoMeet. And I know I promised I would save you bacon, but the presence of your classy and graceful WW would ensure your needs are met.

Have a serene night, everyone; with sweet dreams to waft you through the evening.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 03, 2019 09:44 PM (u82oZ)

370 361 ... " I did reload some .32 S&W Longs for a new to me Rossi and Colt New Police Transition model. Probably go this week as these don't hurt to shoot."

Whig, Enjoy the target session. The 32 long, out of a Ruger Single-Six in 32 magnum, has become a favorite of mine. Gentle and nicely accurate.

Posted by: JTB at November 03, 2019 09:44 PM (bmdz3)

371 Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 03, 2019 09:44 PM (u82oZ)
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Thanks, Salty!! Goodnight and have a good week!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 09:46 PM (MVjcR)

372 Finally did get back to a handgun match yesterday after missing/skipping them for a few months. Problem remains - low round count, uninteresting stages. A few members of the club confirmed that they shared my displeasure with the way they are run now. We all hope that as weather cools and disruption/travel of organizers settles down, things may improve.

Did fairly well, used the 1911. Amazing - if I only maintain proper grip and carefully pull the trigger straight to the rear, while maintaining front sight focus .... I hit what I'm aiming at. Oughta be a manual on this stuff.

But time to restart the reloading factory. With reduced shooting and high heat, I've worked my way down to almost empty ammo cans in primary calibers. Has been 3-4 months since I reloaded. I tend to do minimums of 5OO to a full case now, so it lasts me longer between reloading sessions.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 03, 2019 09:46 PM (QDnY+)

373 In kinda-sorta geographic order, these are the states I believe were represented at this year's TX MoMee:

VA
MI
OH
IL
IA
MO
KS
CO
UT
CA

TX (duh!)

Apologies if I missed anyone's home!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 03, 2019 09:47 PM (0ReGO)

374 I had to get 4 notarized reference letters and take a $300 safety class AND buy a firearm - which I could not take out of the store, much less test-fire - before I got my NYS permit, and even then, I only have Target.

Meanwhile, two days ago, I got my Utah permit, full carry. Sheesh.

Posted by: Helen at November 03, 2019 09:47 PM (Yfb8C)

375 Just finished up eleven days of deer hunting in Wyoming wit two different groups of buddies. Out of 9 hunters we took 9 deer.

Posted by: Pete Bog at November 03, 2019 09:49 PM (VmJ13)

376 Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 03, 2019 09:47 PM (0ReGO)
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+ FL and GA!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 09:49 PM (MVjcR)

377 "Ruger Single-Six in 32 magnum" - that sounds like a sweet rig. Didn't know they existed.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 03, 2019 09:49 PM (QDnY+)

378 Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 03, 2019 09:47 PM (0ReGO)
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And next year we're going to be adding NY and RI, right guys?

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 09:51 PM (MVjcR)

379 my thanks for the Summit Gun Broker lead....

now, if we only had some extra $$$

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 03, 2019 09:51 PM (/7QQs)

380 However, it seems the MSHP wasn't destroying those records as required by law.

If we've seen nothing else in the last three years, it is that no one's information is safe from the government.

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It wouldn't surprise me if the government hasn't been sending all ammo and gun purchase information to some private company like they were sending classified info to Fusion GPS.

Posted by: Jolo at November 03, 2019 09:52 PM (y09j5)

381 Apologies if I missed anyone's home!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 03, 2019 09:47 PM (0ReGO)

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if i can find a co-driver, either here in #Failifornia, or in AZ or NM, i will do my best to make it next year.

driving so i can bring toys, and for physical comfort, due to some medical issues no one here wants details on.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 03, 2019 09:53 PM (/7QQs)

382 + FL and GA!

And Austin. Common saying is "the nice thing about Austin is it's close to Texas."

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 03, 2019 09:54 PM (qc+VF)

383 red,

Would love to see you next year!

Posted by: SMH at November 03, 2019 09:54 PM (RU4sa)

384 Has anyone successfully run a tautological gun GoFundMe campaign?

"Please consider contributing money to my fund so that I can own an 1896 Mauser broom-handle. Because I should own a Mauser broom-handle."

Posted by: Zod at November 03, 2019 09:55 PM (XzT/D)

385 Nood

Posted by: Sock Monkey...gathering is done for the year time to kill at November 03, 2019 09:56 PM (vSTQF)

386 Any cross draw maniacs out there?
Posted by: mikeyG at November 03, 2019 09:26 PM (93FI+)

Switched to cross draw last year. Never go back to IWB. Easier to keep concealed and much easier to draw while in a car. I think it is less conspicuous when drawing anywhere.

Posted by: Agitator at November 03, 2019 09:56 PM (VP1T8)

387 Okie-dokey. That's all folks!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 09:56 PM (MVjcR)

388 378 Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 03, 2019 09:47 PM (0ReGO)
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And next year we're going to be adding NY and RI, right guys?
Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 09:51 PM (MVjcR)

Well, RI via NH. But, yeah!

Posted by: RI Red at November 03, 2019 09:57 PM (7kKK8)

389
red,

Would love to see you next year!

Posted by: SMH at November 03, 2019 09:54 PM (RU4sa)

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that's only because you've never seen me in person.

lets just day i have a face for radio, and a body for blackout conditions.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 03, 2019 09:57 PM (/7QQs)

390 Thanks Weasel! Another fine gub thread.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 03, 2019 09:57 PM (QDnY+)

391
VA
MI
OH
IL
IA
MO
KS
CO
UT
CA

TX (duh!)

Apologies if I missed anyone's home!
Posted by: Helena Handbasket
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NC is disturbingly absent.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 03, 2019 09:57 PM (CDGwz)

392
Well, RI via NH. But, yeah!
Posted by: RI Red at November 03, 2019 09:57 PM (7kKK

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Oh. Right. NH!!!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 09:57 PM (MVjcR)

393 390 Thanks Weasel! Another fine gub thread.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 03, 2019 09:57 PM (QDnY+)
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Thanks rhomboid!

Posted by: Weasel at November 03, 2019 09:58 PM (MVjcR)

394 >>And Austin. Common saying is "the nice thing about Austin is it's close to Texas."
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 03, 2019 09:54 PM (qc+VF)

(circa 1999; speaking with a co-worker at a San Antonio railroad convention)
Him: "We could skip the last seminar and drive to Austin."
Zod: "No."

Posted by: Zod at November 03, 2019 09:59 PM (XzT/D)

395 . Out of 9 hunters we took 9 deer.
Posted by: Pete Bog

Slackers!
J/K Congrats!

Posted by: MarkY at November 03, 2019 10:01 PM (HbhkC)

396 Had to drop in for a few minutes more.
I will represent NY as best I can at the next TX MoMe.
My friend still lives in TX so he will be amongst like minded folks.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 03, 2019 10:02 PM (ZfBVE)

397 ThanX! Weasel

McGyver, Out

Posted by: McGyver at November 03, 2019 10:05 PM (gMngZ)

398 Posted by: whig at November 03, 2019 08:27 PM (MItID)

Thanks whig for your insights and weasel for the gun thread.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at November 03, 2019 11:03 PM (1CjJc)

399 Hey Scuba_Dude, glad to hear you got your permit. I'm currently in the process of getting one, and was beginning to believe they're going to deny me. How long was it between your investigator contacting you and you submitting the documents he asked for? I'm stumped on the recommendation letters, everyone I know is an anti-gun leftist and I KNOW will either refuse to help me or worse yet, ruin my life... Also, you forgot to mention that none of recommendation letters can be from family members! Aghrr, I'm so frustrated!

Posted by: NYCSucks at November 04, 2019 12:42 AM (u4iFu)

400 That this successful gun story was all sparked by a great nephew makes it all even better.

Posted by: m at November 04, 2019 02:18 AM (o7z4a)

401 The police officer assigned to as the investigator initially emailed me on August 6th identifying herself and asking for the additional documentation.
I had all the documents sent by Sept 9th to her and scheduled an interview for Sept 24th as I was on vacation and out of the country until then.
Had the interview and she responded by Sept 30th that I was approved.
And I know what you mean about the recommendation letters. I was lucky enough to have a colleague and the BIL of one of my brothers write mine.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 04, 2019 07:02 AM (4q/mG)

402 I just went to the gun store and bought a gun.

Posted by: IZAPOLE at November 04, 2019 10:58 AM (JXOwN)

403 Scuba Dude, congratulations on getting your license. I am a member of the West Side Rifle and Pistol Range, and if you are of a mind maybe we can have a mini-moron meet-up and shred some paper. I am also looking for SCUBA buddies as well. Congratulations on getting the SIG as well. A fine choice.

Posted by: RPL at November 04, 2019 04:11 PM (Nhl7I)

404 Thank you, Scuba_Dude. It's been about a month since he contacted me... hope I'm not too late.

Posted by: NYCSucks at November 04, 2019 09:02 PM (u4iFu)

405 Hey RPL, would love to meet up and shred some paper :-)

Email Weasel at the gun thread email and he can give you my email address

Posted by: Scuba Dude at November 05, 2019 08:33 AM (4q/mG)

406 Scuba Dude, I have sent the e-mail. Look forward to hearing from you!

Posted by: RPL at November 05, 2019 11:45 AM (Nhl7I)

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