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The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition
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Contender?
Posted by: Heirloominati at October 15, 2019 11:02 AM (dYdbl)
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first
Posted by: SturmToddler at October 15, 2019 11:02 AM (8D42x)
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Fetching the mutts...
Posted by: Heirloominati at October 15, 2019 11:02 AM (dYdbl)
Posted by: SturmToddler at October 15, 2019 11:02 AM (8D42x)
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reporting is so bad, I don't know if the police are incompetent, or the press "coverup to avoid racism" pillow is the size of Jupiter.
Posted by: henry at October 15, 2019 11:03 AM (JMDly)
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In on Time
Posted by: FrodoB, reloading at October 15, 2019 11:03 AM (NTkSq)
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In too many places they are out of control.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 15, 2019 11:03 AM (GLIuP)
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If the cops can't shoot a person through the window of her own home, then the terrorists have already won.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 15, 2019 11:04 AM (NWiLs)
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Honestly, who would want to be a LEO in these current times. In an inner city, in PORTLAND??? RUFKM
Posted by: zeera BMGG - Books Make Great Gifts! at October 15, 2019 11:04 AM (X+a7J)
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have to say, i agree monkey man. more and more i'm seeing the cops as an occupier. they are proving over and over again they aren't there necessarily there to serve and protect, but more and more to draw the chalk outline and investigate after the fact.
especially in larger cities.
especially in larger cities.
Posted by: SturmToddler at October 15, 2019 11:05 AM (8D42x)
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That second item where the woman was shot by the officer is especially egregious. She had the front door open to let some air in, which caused a busybody neighbor to call the cops, who waltzed in and shot her while she was playing Xbox with an 8 year old.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 15, 2019 11:05 AM (ZGrMX)
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hiya
Posted by: JT at October 15, 2019 11:06 AM (arJlL)
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5 reporting is so bad, I don't know if the police are incompetent, or the press "coverup to avoid racism" pillow is the size of Jupiter.
Posted by: henry at October 15, 2019 11:03 AM (JMDly)
In the case of the Ft. Worth shooting there's bodycam footage.
Posted by: henry at October 15, 2019 11:03 AM (JMDly)
In the case of the Ft. Worth shooting there's bodycam footage.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 15, 2019 11:06 AM (NWiLs)
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not first
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, with that Kubrick look towards the camera at October 15, 2019 11:06 AM (q80AH)
Posted by: Guy Smiley at October 15, 2019 11:06 AM (1XNk8)
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Last month a Dallas officer was convicted of murder in a similar situation.
One would think that other area officers would notice that.
One would think that other area officers would notice that.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 15, 2019 11:07 AM (YslsA)
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I wonder if there could be some unintended consequences at play, like if the hysterical outrage about justifiable police shootings like Michael Brown leads to police departments having recruiting problems, which leads to them hiring people like that idiot in Ft. Worth who go on to commit unjustifiable shootings.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at October 15, 2019 11:07 AM (N4xQB)
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Honestly, who would want to be a LEO in these current times.
Posted by: zeera BMGG - Books Make Great Gifts! at October 15, 2019 11:04 AM (X+a7J)
Good point. It is a vicious cycle, and my guess is that the guys who want to be cops nowadays are not of the same mentality as a generation or two ago.
Honestly, who would want to be a LEO in these current times.
Posted by: zeera BMGG - Books Make Great Gifts! at October 15, 2019 11:04 AM (X+a7J)
Good point. It is a vicious cycle, and my guess is that the guys who want to be cops nowadays are not of the same mentality as a generation or two ago.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2019 11:07 AM (wYseH)
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I agree with the Dildo. Can't add much more. I will say this, the diefication of the cops is nonsensical. They are ordinary people doing a tough job, they aren't gods. Many of them shouldn't be on ANY police force. The Ft Worth cop and the MN cop that shot Philando Castille are just two cases that come to mind.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 15, 2019 11:07 AM (flINI)
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I think the Revenue Collection aspect of policing has destroyed the public respect for LEO and the fact that this is pushed onto the make many of them realize it is not really police work.
Posted by: rhennigantx at October 15, 2019 11:08 AM (JFO2v)
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thanks insomniac. I should have guessed the power of "and" would apply here.
Posted by: henry at October 15, 2019 11:08 AM (JMDly)
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that's the other half of it Zeera, i sure as hell wouldn't want the job anymore. the media is LOOKING for a reason to call a cop a racist, and if they can't find one, they are more than willing to make one up.
Posted by: SturmToddler at October 15, 2019 11:08 AM (8D42x)
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have to say, i agree monkey man. more and more i'm seeing the cops as an occupier. they are proving over and over again they aren't there necessarily there to serve and protect, but more and more to draw the chalk outline and investigate after the fact.
especially in larger cities.
Posted by: SturmToddler
Enhance the city's revenue.
Further the bosses politics.
Without risking their pension.
especially in larger cities.
Posted by: SturmToddler
Enhance the city's revenue.
Further the bosses politics.
Without risking their pension.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2019 11:08 AM (Qq3ZN)
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It wasn't that long ago that police didn't act like they were gestapo, kicking in doors in no knock raids, shooting first and asking questions later. I don't understand how it went so wrong so fast. If we're going to have military police, then lets quit pretending and just go with full army patrols with M-16's at the ready, at least it would be honest.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2019 11:08 AM (Kpl3J)
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Well said, CBD.
These cases really get to me.
As far as what would happen if a Soldier or a Marine fired into an unarmed person's home and killed him/her, that servicemember would likely be in Leavenworth making big stones into little stones.
These cases really get to me.
As far as what would happen if a Soldier or a Marine fired into an unarmed person's home and killed him/her, that servicemember would likely be in Leavenworth making big stones into little stones.
Posted by: SMH at October 15, 2019 11:08 AM (RU4sa)
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Police interactions vs Police shootings is probably near .001%.
The militarization as you call it is a defensive strategy not an offensive.
The real answer to these extremely horrible incidents is the simple fact that these individuals should have never been cops in the first place
The militarization as you call it is a defensive strategy not an offensive.
The real answer to these extremely horrible incidents is the simple fact that these individuals should have never been cops in the first place
Posted by: Bill Westphal at October 15, 2019 11:08 AM (8Unxl)
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Just like that photo from last night's overnight post, of the sheriffs holding that 'next time bring a warrant sign'.
Doesn't make you feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside about some cops.
Doesn't make you feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside about some cops.
Posted by: squeakywheel at October 15, 2019 11:09 AM (OqWdE)
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The Antifa riots and school shootings prove to me that in many cases, "protect" is no longer part of the official job description.
Posted by: shibumi at October 15, 2019 11:09 AM (2KYgn)
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Cops are unionized government workers who will train their guns on you the second their cheque-writers order them to. If you're depending on them to defend you, your rights, or your family against Antifa, BLM, etc., then you're already dead; you just don't know it yet.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at October 15, 2019 11:09 AM (I99aF)
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I hope that this is one of those areas that technology comes in to save us. Body cams are already making strides in that regard. Everyone acts better in a confrontation with the police when they know they're being video taped, and the tech isn't going to get any worse.
Obviously this isn't going to be perfect, but if there are incentives for cops to keep their body cams on and working, and/or disincentives to prevent mischievousness, I think that'd go a long way in restoring public trust in police.
Obviously this isn't going to be perfect, but if there are incentives for cops to keep their body cams on and working, and/or disincentives to prevent mischievousness, I think that'd go a long way in restoring public trust in police.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 15, 2019 11:09 AM (KUaJL)
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I think the Revenue Collection aspect of policing has destroyed the public respect for LEO and the fact that this is pushed onto the make many of them realize it is not really police work.
Yeah. This has gone front-and-center with traffic cameras, which are Constitutionally dubious and proven to cause more accidents, but beloved by the swamp for revenue.
Yeah. This has gone front-and-center with traffic cameras, which are Constitutionally dubious and proven to cause more accidents, but beloved by the swamp for revenue.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 15, 2019 11:09 AM (ZGrMX)
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11 That second item where the woman was shot by the officer is especially egregious. She had the front door open to let some air in, which caused a busybody neighbor to call the cops, who waltzed in and shot her while she was playing Xbox with an 8 year old.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 15, 2019 11:05 AM (ZGrMX)
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Unbelievable.
See something, say something. /s
Posted by: Ian S. at October 15, 2019 11:05 AM (ZGrMX)
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Unbelievable.
See something, say something. /s
Posted by: SMH at October 15, 2019 11:10 AM (RU4sa)
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Looks like BLM has taken over here.
"De-policing" is the new thing. Looks like the concept has taken hold among "conservatives" now.
"De-policing" is the new thing. Looks like the concept has taken hold among "conservatives" now.
Posted by: mnw at October 15, 2019 11:10 AM (Cssks)
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The worst crime possible, which is punishable by death without need of jury trial, is to argue with, disrespect or disobey a police officer in America.
The worst crime possible, which is punishable by death without need of jury trial, is to argue with, disrespect or disobey a police officer in America.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 15, 2019 11:10 AM (YA914)
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I think the Revenue Collection aspect of policing has destroyed the
public respect for LEO...
Posted by: rhennigantx at October 15, 2019 11:08 AM (JFO2v)
Oh shit...another excellent point. Where the hell were you when I was writing this?
I think the Revenue Collection aspect of policing has destroyed the
public respect for LEO...
Posted by: rhennigantx at October 15, 2019 11:08 AM (JFO2v)
Oh shit...another excellent point. Where the hell were you when I was writing this?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2019 11:10 AM (wYseH)
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We have some combat veterans in our midst...any of them care to comment
on how a soldier or marine would have been dealt with had he, during a
routine patrol in a low-threat neighborhood, fired through the window of
a home at an unarmed resident?
This kind of shit is due to smaller cities being forced to hire idiots as cops due to low wages. This town will pay through the nose for this one. And they deserve it. The biggest problem is the tax-payers are the only ones held accountable.
on how a soldier or marine would have been dealt with had he, during a
routine patrol in a low-threat neighborhood, fired through the window of
a home at an unarmed resident?
This kind of shit is due to smaller cities being forced to hire idiots as cops due to low wages. This town will pay through the nose for this one. And they deserve it. The biggest problem is the tax-payers are the only ones held accountable.
Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2019 11:11 AM (mpXpK)
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Tip of the trucker cap for the morning rant!
Posted by: G marks the spot at October 15, 2019 11:11 AM (Js8Dx)
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...and among other things the federal government's parking lots full of unused military equipment.
This is a big part of it.
This is a big part of it.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at October 15, 2019 11:11 AM (1XNk8)
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Looks like BLM has taken over here.
Posted by: mnw at October 15, 2019 11:10 AM (Cssks)
Care to walk this idiocy back just a few steps?
Read the fucking post in its entirety.
Posted by: mnw at October 15, 2019 11:10 AM (Cssks)
Care to walk this idiocy back just a few steps?
Read the fucking post in its entirety.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2019 11:12 AM (wYseH)
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Farming has about double the death on the job rate as police, and in towns under 100k I bet it is half that. But yes, we must always praise the NobleCop and all his sacrifice, even though he gets full benefits and vacations and a union pay scale, and rather early retirement. (not to mention other percs like helping friends and family get off tickets)
Back in Serpico days, there was plenty of corruption behind the thin blue line ... it was pretty bad in new Orleans a few decades ago, not sure it has improved a whole lot. The Chicago machine ... I doubt they have interest in breaking up the Chicago Outfit.
Back in Serpico days, there was plenty of corruption behind the thin blue line ... it was pretty bad in new Orleans a few decades ago, not sure it has improved a whole lot. The Chicago machine ... I doubt they have interest in breaking up the Chicago Outfit.
Posted by: illiniwek at October 15, 2019 11:12 AM (Cus5s)
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Last month a Dallas officer was convicted of murder in a similar situation.
One would think that other area officers would notice that.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada
The Ft. Worth cop had been turned down twice to become a cop by FWPD.
One would think that other area officers would notice that.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada
The Ft. Worth cop had been turned down twice to become a cop by FWPD.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2019 11:12 AM (Qq3ZN)
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I found this pic from the ONT kinda disturbing, they look more military than LEO
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/smartasses.jpg
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/smartasses.jpg
Posted by: random lurker commenter at October 15, 2019 11:12 AM (Dk1C5)
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I have several friends and acquaintances that are LEOs and there is NO fucking way I'd do that job. Everybody is a 20 year, salty, armchair veteran flat foot, ready to second guess every. fucking. move. you make. The legal system is primed with lawyers ready to take on any case that looks profitable, facts be damned. And don't even get me started on the media.
Are there trigger happy bad cops? Absofuckinglutely. Are the norm and not the exception. Absofuckinglutely. You want to see the degeneration of a neighborhood or a town or a country happen really fast. See what happens when the LEA go away.
All that being said, they should be held to a higher degree of accountability, but that needs to be tempered with some realistic understanding of what the job entails and not an understanding based on what the MSM or Hollywood portrays.
And the FBI needs to be abolished.
Are there trigger happy bad cops? Absofuckinglutely. Are the norm and not the exception. Absofuckinglutely. You want to see the degeneration of a neighborhood or a town or a country happen really fast. See what happens when the LEA go away.
All that being said, they should be held to a higher degree of accountability, but that needs to be tempered with some realistic understanding of what the job entails and not an understanding based on what the MSM or Hollywood portrays.
And the FBI needs to be abolished.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 15, 2019 11:12 AM (JgJV1)
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hey what College did Lebron got to?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2019 11:13 AM (cEsBM)
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mnw,
Are you FKM?
You see no problem with cops killing innocent people in their homes??
Miss me with your BLM bullshit.
Are you FKM?
You see no problem with cops killing innocent people in their homes??
Miss me with your BLM bullshit.
Posted by: SMH at October 15, 2019 11:13 AM (RU4sa)
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Police interactions vs Police shootings is probably near .001%.
The militarization as you call it is a defensive strategy not an offensive.
The real answer to these extremely horrible incidents is the simple fact that these individuals should have never been cops in the first place
Posted by: Bill Westphal at October 15, 2019 11:08 AM (8Unxl)
while this may be true, and the 24 hour news media cycle has a lot of blame as well, it's STILL more prevalent than it used to be.
i am not at all certain that i agree that the militarization is always defensive in nature. if you look at crime statistics, they have gone down in general over the last 30 years, iirc.
i personally feel some of these overt displays of force are to show they are using the money and some are to cower the populace.
The militarization as you call it is a defensive strategy not an offensive.
The real answer to these extremely horrible incidents is the simple fact that these individuals should have never been cops in the first place
Posted by: Bill Westphal at October 15, 2019 11:08 AM (8Unxl)
while this may be true, and the 24 hour news media cycle has a lot of blame as well, it's STILL more prevalent than it used to be.
i am not at all certain that i agree that the militarization is always defensive in nature. if you look at crime statistics, they have gone down in general over the last 30 years, iirc.
i personally feel some of these overt displays of force are to show they are using the money and some are to cower the populace.
Posted by: SturmToddler at October 15, 2019 11:13 AM (8D42x)
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33 Looks like BLM has taken over here.
"De-policing" is the new thing. Looks like the concept has taken hold among "conservatives" now.
Posted by: mnw at October 15, 2019 11:10 AM (Cssks)
Watch the body cam video of the FW police officer. He executes a woman standing inside her own home who has done nothing wrong at all. And he violated all of the most basic rules of common sense, not to mention official police rules, in doing so. That video needs to be shown to every police officer in America, along with details of his internment in the State Pen.
"De-policing" is the new thing. Looks like the concept has taken hold among "conservatives" now.
Posted by: mnw at October 15, 2019 11:10 AM (Cssks)
Watch the body cam video of the FW police officer. He executes a woman standing inside her own home who has done nothing wrong at all. And he violated all of the most basic rules of common sense, not to mention official police rules, in doing so. That video needs to be shown to every police officer in America, along with details of his internment in the State Pen.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2019 11:13 AM (Kpl3J)
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"Posted by: Bill Westphal at October 15, 2019 11:08 AM (8Unxl)"
Stop making measured intellectual arguments. In both of these incidents, the officers are largely getting scorched for those very reasons on LEO boards. No
Stop making measured intellectual arguments. In both of these incidents, the officers are largely getting scorched for those very reasons on LEO boards. No
Posted by: Marcus T at October 15, 2019 11:14 AM (8ts9m)
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CBD, I would feel safer riding around Baltimore if I had an MRAP. A .50 cal in the turret would be a good thing too.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 15, 2019 11:14 AM (yRAFu)
Posted by: Wut at October 15, 2019 11:14 AM (OP2H/)
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After weeks of focus groups and meeting with teams of lawyers and campaign consultants, Hunter Biden is finally ready to explain his totally no big deal role with the Ukrainian gas company.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 15, 2019 11:14 AM (dNzKv)
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These stories used to be local news 40 or 50 years ago and I would guess far more prevalent at that time. And I believe today , far more police officers are killed today than at that time. The mindset about not shooting at the po po has long gone.
That doesn't excuse these bad shoots but just pointing out that it's not something that just started.
As a cultural anecdote, movies always had the cop yelling 'stop or I'll shoot, bam bam bam'. Things that were not unexpected then are obviously rightly forbidden now.
That doesn't excuse these bad shoots but just pointing out that it's not something that just started.
As a cultural anecdote, movies always had the cop yelling 'stop or I'll shoot, bam bam bam'. Things that were not unexpected then are obviously rightly forbidden now.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 15, 2019 11:15 AM (zdltJ)
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It wasn't that long ago that police didn't act like they were gestapo,
kicking in doors in no knock raids, shooting first and asking questions
later. I don't understand how it went so wrong so fast. If we're
going to have military police, then lets quit pretending and just go
with full army patrols with M-16's at the ready, at least it would be
honest.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2019 11:08 AM (Kpl3J)
Three short words - - - WAR ON DRUGS
I say let the drug users kill themselves and the problem will be solved. But you must make selling drugs to children a capital crime.
It wasn't that long ago that police didn't act like they were gestapo,
kicking in doors in no knock raids, shooting first and asking questions
later. I don't understand how it went so wrong so fast. If we're
going to have military police, then lets quit pretending and just go
with full army patrols with M-16's at the ready, at least it would be
honest.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2019 11:08 AM (Kpl3J)
Three short words - - - WAR ON DRUGS
I say let the drug users kill themselves and the problem will be solved. But you must make selling drugs to children a capital crime.
Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2019 11:15 AM (mpXpK)
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Anyone wanting a fun read, head over to the Howie Carr Show website and find Honest Howie's History podcast on the Mass State Police. Bit of an eye opener.
Disclaimer: Not saying most of them are like that, just the ones currently under indictment.
Disclaimer: Not saying most of them are like that, just the ones currently under indictment.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 15, 2019 11:15 AM (ejd/p)
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Well said, CBD.
These cases really get to me.
As far as what would happen if a Soldier or a Marine fired into an unarmed person's home and killed him/her, that servicemember would likely be in Leavenworth making big stones into little stones.
Posted by: SMH
I could cut a soldier or marine more slack.
Their job is to kill people and break things.
Not cops.
These cases really get to me.
As far as what would happen if a Soldier or a Marine fired into an unarmed person's home and killed him/her, that servicemember would likely be in Leavenworth making big stones into little stones.
Posted by: SMH
I could cut a soldier or marine more slack.
Their job is to kill people and break things.
Not cops.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2019 11:15 AM (Qq3ZN)
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Seems like becoming a LEO is just a way to either have power they would otherwise not be able to have, or to secure a great retirement. Sad.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at October 15, 2019 11:15 AM (fYi9j)
Posted by: Wut at October 15, 2019 11:15 AM (OP2H/)
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You know what would help with the cop-shooting issue?
More diversity.
More people put into the job of policing for the check mark they fill on the roster. Not enough checkmarks filled on the roster as of yet and that's causing all the problems.
And increasing the college requirements. That'd help too. Because there's nothing like college and a whole lot of debt from college to prepare a person for the stress and immediacy of life or death decision making on the streets as a cop.
More diversity.
More people put into the job of policing for the check mark they fill on the roster. Not enough checkmarks filled on the roster as of yet and that's causing all the problems.
And increasing the college requirements. That'd help too. Because there's nothing like college and a whole lot of debt from college to prepare a person for the stress and immediacy of life or death decision making on the streets as a cop.
Posted by: Hereogar at October 15, 2019 11:15 AM (eQ0LF)
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Obama helped this, too, with his constant berating of police officers. And the Fort Worth officer should spend the rest of his life in prison.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 11:15 AM (bkUtD)
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The biggest problem is the tax-payers are the only ones held accountable.
Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2019 11:11 AM (mpXpK)
Compensating for individual criminal activity by government employees with tax money has always been a terrible idea.
Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2019 11:11 AM (mpXpK)
Compensating for individual criminal activity by government employees with tax money has always been a terrible idea.
Posted by: Captain Hate at October 15, 2019 11:15 AM (y7DUB)
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The Ft. Worth shooting, like the one in MN (where the Somali cop shot and killed the 911 caller as she approached the cop car) were both cases where scared cops shot people before they had any idea who the people were, or if they presented any kind of a threat.
Is it a case of poor cop training, or it is that the cops are hiring people who are temperamentally unsuited to be cops? In the MN shooting, it's pretty clear that Somali guy never should have been allowed to become a cop. Questions were raised about his psychological fitness during training, and he'd had several incidents in his first year on the job that showed he really wasn't suited for the job. We don't know yet what happened in the Ft. Worth case, but it will be interesting to see if this cop had the same kind of history.
Either way, the cops have a lot of explaining to do.
Is it a case of poor cop training, or it is that the cops are hiring people who are temperamentally unsuited to be cops? In the MN shooting, it's pretty clear that Somali guy never should have been allowed to become a cop. Questions were raised about his psychological fitness during training, and he'd had several incidents in his first year on the job that showed he really wasn't suited for the job. We don't know yet what happened in the Ft. Worth case, but it will be interesting to see if this cop had the same kind of history.
Either way, the cops have a lot of explaining to do.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 15, 2019 11:16 AM (k4dH2)
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Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 15, 2019 11:17 AM (BqBId)
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Just last week Grayson County Texas Sheriff got an armored MRAP vehicle from the Army.
They claim they are going to use it in hostage situations and when delivering certain "dangerous" warrants.
They do not need something like that. Plus it is just an extra expense to upkeep.
They claim they are going to use it in hostage situations and when delivering certain "dangerous" warrants.
They do not need something like that. Plus it is just an extra expense to upkeep.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 15, 2019 11:17 AM (JUOKG)
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May I quote John Adams:
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
The reason why we no longer have a Constitutional Republic is for generations now, the former United States endeavored to import poverty, lawlessness, dysfunctional cultures and atheistic parasites.
Mission Accomplished. We are so diverse that we are ungovernable.
This is how you get totalitarianism. There are vestiges of the population that prefers traditional Western Civilization which includes, of a myriad of things, order. And the only way to maintain order is through coercion.
The alternative is Mogadishu or the Balkans - a population that is far more representative of the diversity of today than through the direct descendants of the Founding Fathers.
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
The reason why we no longer have a Constitutional Republic is for generations now, the former United States endeavored to import poverty, lawlessness, dysfunctional cultures and atheistic parasites.
Mission Accomplished. We are so diverse that we are ungovernable.
This is how you get totalitarianism. There are vestiges of the population that prefers traditional Western Civilization which includes, of a myriad of things, order. And the only way to maintain order is through coercion.
The alternative is Mogadishu or the Balkans - a population that is far more representative of the diversity of today than through the direct descendants of the Founding Fathers.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 15, 2019 11:18 AM (lD3vL)
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In both of these incidents, the officers are largely getting scorched for those very reasons on LEO boards.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 15, 2019 11:14 AM (8ts9m)
When "honest" cops start turning in their out-of-control crooked fellow cops then I will pay attention to what they say. But their inaction in the face of police brutality and overreach is a huge problem, and one that is 100% controllable by American police.
Yet they do nothing.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 15, 2019 11:14 AM (8ts9m)
When "honest" cops start turning in their out-of-control crooked fellow cops then I will pay attention to what they say. But their inaction in the face of police brutality and overreach is a huge problem, and one that is 100% controllable by American police.
Yet they do nothing.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2019 11:18 AM (wYseH)
66
FFS...
Are there trigger happy bad cops? Absofuckinglutely. Are they thenorm exception and not the exception norm. Absofuckinglutely.
Are there trigger happy bad cops? Absofuckinglutely. Are they the
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 15, 2019 11:18 AM (JgJV1)
67
Its a simple conversation in the military.
"Did you fear for your life?"
"No. He was naked and unarmed."
"Then why did you kill him?"
In the military, you better have a good answer for that.
But lets just state the unvarnished truth about cops: 99% of a cop's job revolves around taxing the middle class in the form of speeding tickets.
Then they get to retire by 50 with full pension like the military.
"Did you fear for your life?"
"No. He was naked and unarmed."
"Then why did you kill him?"
In the military, you better have a good answer for that.
But lets just state the unvarnished truth about cops: 99% of a cop's job revolves around taxing the middle class in the form of speeding tickets.
Then they get to retire by 50 with full pension like the military.
Posted by: thesgm at October 15, 2019 11:18 AM (SbC0s)
68
hey what College did Lebron got to?
Posted by: Nevergiveup
He went straight from high school into the pros. Never went to college.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
He went straight from high school into the pros. Never went to college.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at October 15, 2019 11:18 AM (vcOmj)
69
A LEO was assassinated yesterday in Montgomery County MD. The local media is strangely quiet about the perps in this case which leads me to believe it was a group of Illegal Aliens drinking on the top level of a parking deck. The longer that information is withheld or covered up just confirms my hypothesis. MontCo has a sanctuary county problem and the people are about ready to revolt.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 15, 2019 11:18 AM (flINI)
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58 You know what would help with the cop-shooting issue?
More diversity.
More people put into the job of policing for the check mark they fill on the roster. Not enough checkmarks filled on the roster as of yet and that's causing all the problems.
Posted by: Hereogar at October 15, 2019 11:15 AM (eQ0LF
You're being satirical here, but this is one of the only areas where I can see diversity being beneficial. You want the guy policing the neighborhood to know the neighborhood. You want him to live in the neighborhood he's policing. He's got to be a part of the group he's policing, not an outside party. Would cut down on the antagonism quite a bit if the police officer grew up knowing many of the people who live in the area he's patrolling.
More diversity.
More people put into the job of policing for the check mark they fill on the roster. Not enough checkmarks filled on the roster as of yet and that's causing all the problems.
Posted by: Hereogar at October 15, 2019 11:15 AM (eQ0LF
You're being satirical here, but this is one of the only areas where I can see diversity being beneficial. You want the guy policing the neighborhood to know the neighborhood. You want him to live in the neighborhood he's policing. He's got to be a part of the group he's policing, not an outside party. Would cut down on the antagonism quite a bit if the police officer grew up knowing many of the people who live in the area he's patrolling.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 15, 2019 11:18 AM (KUaJL)
71
reporting is so bad"
This. I simply can't believe a damn thing on the "newz", so I tend to shrug a good deal...
We'll find out what actually happened some days hence. After 2 more "outrages"...
This. I simply can't believe a damn thing on the "newz", so I tend to shrug a good deal...
We'll find out what actually happened some days hence. After 2 more "outrages"...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 15, 2019 11:19 AM (6qErC)
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Posted by: SturmToddler at October 15, 2019 11:13 AM (8D42x
Respectfully disagree it's more prevalent now. The oversight and ROE today are rightly weighted more to civilian protection.
Respectfully disagree it's more prevalent now. The oversight and ROE today are rightly weighted more to civilian protection.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 15, 2019 11:19 AM (zdltJ)
73
Compare and contrast the treatment of Lori Laughlin and Hunter Biden.
Both are accused of crimes, and yet, we know what kind of groceries Lori buys, we know what kind of car she drives and what octane of gas she fills it up with, we know what church she attends, what hair dresser she uses, etc. All because she has been hounded by the press.
Hunter disappeared for two weeks or more, and reemerges to 'give his side of the story' in a scripted, soft-glove interview.
Something is clearly out of balance when an idiot woman is accused of paying half a million in bribes to get her idiot kids into school, and is harassed like she is Pol Pot, yet Hunter Biden is considered a Vice President's 'kid' and is off limits for any discussion about his alleged crimes...crimes which are clearly more serious to the public interest than idiot Laughlin's are.
Both are accused of crimes, and yet, we know what kind of groceries Lori buys, we know what kind of car she drives and what octane of gas she fills it up with, we know what church she attends, what hair dresser she uses, etc. All because she has been hounded by the press.
Hunter disappeared for two weeks or more, and reemerges to 'give his side of the story' in a scripted, soft-glove interview.
Something is clearly out of balance when an idiot woman is accused of paying half a million in bribes to get her idiot kids into school, and is harassed like she is Pol Pot, yet Hunter Biden is considered a Vice President's 'kid' and is off limits for any discussion about his alleged crimes...crimes which are clearly more serious to the public interest than idiot Laughlin's are.
Posted by: squeakywheel at October 15, 2019 11:19 AM (OqWdE)
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But you must make selling drugs to children a capital crime.
Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2019 11:15 AM
That's an infamia!
Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2019 11:15 AM
That's an infamia!
Posted by: Don Zaluchi at October 15, 2019 11:20 AM (ejd/p)
75
Just last week Grayson County Texas Sheriff got an armored MRAP vehicle from the Army.
They claim they are going to use it in hostage situations and when delivering certain "dangerous" warrants.
They do not need something like that. Plus it is just an extra expense to upkeep.
Posted by: Mr. Scott
Sherman/Denison/Pottsboro has that may hostage situations?
They claim they are going to use it in hostage situations and when delivering certain "dangerous" warrants.
They do not need something like that. Plus it is just an extra expense to upkeep.
Posted by: Mr. Scott
Sherman/Denison/Pottsboro has that may hostage situations?
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2019 11:20 AM (Qq3ZN)
76
A LEO was assassinated yesterday in Montgomery County MD."
Coverage on the national "newz"?
Zero.Point.Zero
Coverage on the national "newz"?
Zero.Point.Zero
Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 15, 2019 11:20 AM (6qErC)
77
69 A LEO was assassinated yesterday in Montgomery County MD. The local media is strangely quiet about the perps in this case which leads me to believe it was a group of Illegal Aliens drinking on the top level of a parking deck. The longer that information is withheld or covered up just confirms my hypothesis. MontCo has a sanctuary county problem and the people are about ready to revolt.
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WMAL will be the only one to report it. Maybe Tucker will follow up. Transparency is evidently a thing not practiced in MOCO.
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WMAL will be the only one to report it. Maybe Tucker will follow up. Transparency is evidently a thing not practiced in MOCO.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 15, 2019 11:20 AM (yRAFu)
78
hey what College did Lebron got to?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2019 11:13 AM (cEsBM)
Burger King.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2019 11:13 AM (cEsBM)
Burger King.
Posted by: Roland THTG at October 15, 2019 11:20 AM (88+cf)
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I could cut a soldier or marine more slack.
Their job is to kill people and break things.
Not cops.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2019 11:15 AM (Qq3ZN)
And yet we don't have to cut them any slack, because they do their jobs much, much better than American cops.
I'll take the 101st Airborne as the default warrant-serving service any day of the week over typical cops.
Their job is to kill people and break things.
Not cops.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2019 11:15 AM (Qq3ZN)
And yet we don't have to cut them any slack, because they do their jobs much, much better than American cops.
I'll take the 101st Airborne as the default warrant-serving service any day of the week over typical cops.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2019 11:21 AM (wYseH)
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"I have several friends and acquaintances that are LEOs and there is NO fucking way I'd do that job."
true, many are good old boys. I used to hang with several, they were just nice guys, did their job. The problem is in rooting out the trouble makers. After a volleyball match, one friend shered and changed ... went to his car and was putting on his vest (NOLA) ... doesn't sound like a lot of fun.
There is certainly a lot of stress entailed. .... But there are others that would fix a ticket for you for $300, or in NOLA some were covering for drug running ... or asking for bribes ... rooting out the bad rather than protecting them is needed.
true, many are good old boys. I used to hang with several, they were just nice guys, did their job. The problem is in rooting out the trouble makers. After a volleyball match, one friend shered and changed ... went to his car and was putting on his vest (NOLA) ... doesn't sound like a lot of fun.
There is certainly a lot of stress entailed. .... But there are others that would fix a ticket for you for $300, or in NOLA some were covering for drug running ... or asking for bribes ... rooting out the bad rather than protecting them is needed.
Posted by: illiniwek at October 15, 2019 11:21 AM (Cus5s)
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When "honest" cops start turning in their out-of-control crooked fellow cops then I will pay attention to what they say. But their inaction in the face of police brutality and overreach is a huge problem, and one that is 100% controllable by American police.
Fortunately, we don't have this problem, being top. men. and all.
Fortunately, we don't have this problem, being top. men. and all.
Posted by: Your FBI at October 15, 2019 11:22 AM (DMUuz)
82
How many family dogs are shot....as surrogates?
Posted by: BignJames at October 15, 2019 11:22 AM (X/Pw5)
83
$89 million per year can buy a few Burger Kings.
Posted by: Undocumented at October 15, 2019 11:22 AM (5NMZN)
84
They claim they are going to use it in hostage situations and when delivering certain "dangerous" warrants.
They do not need something like that. Plus it is just an extra expense to upkeep.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 15, 2019 11:17 AM (JUOKG)
Our county got one of those after Desert Storm. It ended up being a thing they drove in parades and parked at public events, and the Sheriff loved to have pictures of him taken while he was driving it. Other than that, it never really did much at all.
They do not need something like that. Plus it is just an extra expense to upkeep.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 15, 2019 11:17 AM (JUOKG)
Our county got one of those after Desert Storm. It ended up being a thing they drove in parades and parked at public events, and the Sheriff loved to have pictures of him taken while he was driving it. Other than that, it never really did much at all.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2019 11:22 AM (Kpl3J)
85
Obama helped this, too, with his constant berating of police officers. And the Fort Worth officer should spend the rest of his life in prison.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 11:15 AM (bkUtD)
Agreed. I don't the Georgia case as being nearly as bad. The cop was being charged by a naked crazy guy. Should have used his nightstick or taser, but used his pistol instead.
Question for the Horde: you are carrying concealed, legally, in a concealed carry State, and a naked crazy guy, fit and muscular, charges at you, with seemingly murderous intent. Do you shoot him?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 11:15 AM (bkUtD)
Agreed. I don't the Georgia case as being nearly as bad. The cop was being charged by a naked crazy guy. Should have used his nightstick or taser, but used his pistol instead.
Question for the Horde: you are carrying concealed, legally, in a concealed carry State, and a naked crazy guy, fit and muscular, charges at you, with seemingly murderous intent. Do you shoot him?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 15, 2019 11:22 AM (QugKX)
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Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2019 11:18 AM (wYseH)
Do you think the NYPD is better today or in the 60's and 70's?
Do you think the NYPD is better today or in the 60's and 70's?
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 15, 2019 11:22 AM (zdltJ)
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66: I agree completely. I respect the police and the job they do. They have a dangerous job and many are harmed. Sure there are assholes in any profession, but to turn them all into "out of control" monsters is simply wrong.
Posted by: CN at October 15, 2019 11:23 AM (U7k5w)
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I've long been of the opinion that the police should own nothing more than a pistol and a shotgun.
And SWAT raids should be considered war crimes
They need more firepower? Call the citizens for a militia.
Baddie holed up? Call the milita and wait him out.
0.000 criminals were convicted because they kicked down his door at 3am with fully automatic weapons drawn.
It isn't about capturing criminals and fighting crime--it's purely intimidation
And SWAT raids should be considered war crimes
They need more firepower? Call the citizens for a militia.
Baddie holed up? Call the milita and wait him out.
0.000 criminals were convicted because they kicked down his door at 3am with fully automatic weapons drawn.
It isn't about capturing criminals and fighting crime--it's purely intimidation
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at October 15, 2019 11:23 AM (mIM7J)
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I'll take the 101st Airborne as the default warrant-serving service any day of the week over typical cops.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2019 11:21 AM (wYseH)
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*giggles at the thought of a bunch of Screaming Eagles dropping in on Montgomery County to arrest illegals*
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2019 11:21 AM (wYseH)
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*giggles at the thought of a bunch of Screaming Eagles dropping in on Montgomery County to arrest illegals*
Posted by: SMH at October 15, 2019 11:23 AM (RU4sa)
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De-policing" is the new thing. Looks like the concept has taken hold among "conservatives" now.
Posted by: mnw at October 15, 2019 11:10 AM (Cssks)
No, we want a return to regular policing. Not 30 officers in military gear rolling down the street with an MRAP to no knock raid your neighbors house with automatic weapons drawn at 2 am because someone said they are selling MJ. And, oops, it was the house one street over. Meanwhile the family dog is dead, the windows are broken out, the front door shattered, all of their possessions broken and scattered through the house, the wife and kids are splayed out on the front lawn and dad is downtown getting screamed at like he is a mass murderer.
Posted by: mnw at October 15, 2019 11:10 AM (Cssks)
No, we want a return to regular policing. Not 30 officers in military gear rolling down the street with an MRAP to no knock raid your neighbors house with automatic weapons drawn at 2 am because someone said they are selling MJ. And, oops, it was the house one street over. Meanwhile the family dog is dead, the windows are broken out, the front door shattered, all of their possessions broken and scattered through the house, the wife and kids are splayed out on the front lawn and dad is downtown getting screamed at like he is a mass murderer.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 15, 2019 11:23 AM (dNzKv)
Posted by: t-bird at October 15, 2019 11:24 AM (gHCnG)
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Question for the Horde: you are carrying concealed,
legally, in a concealed carry State, and a naked crazy guy, fit and
muscular, charges at you, with seemingly murderous intent. Do you shoot
him?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 15, 2019 11:22 AM (QugKX)
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To answer accurately, I'm going to need to know how well endowed he is.
legally, in a concealed carry State, and a naked crazy guy, fit and
muscular, charges at you, with seemingly murderous intent. Do you shoot
him?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 15, 2019 11:22 AM (QugKX)
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To answer accurately, I'm going to need to know how well endowed he is.
Posted by: G at October 15, 2019 11:24 AM (5NMZN)
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I don't entirely trust the police, but most officers are decent people. It's still true that the 700k +/- police officers in the US are the most law-abiding segment of society.
That being said, the only special treatment for those who enforce the law should be extra scrutiny to make sure they themselves are following it.
That being said, the only special treatment for those who enforce the law should be extra scrutiny to make sure they themselves are following it.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at October 15, 2019 11:24 AM (J+mig)
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33 Looks like BLM has taken over here.
"De-policing" is the new thing. Looks like the concept has taken hold among "conservatives" now.
Posted by: mnw at October 15, 2019 11:10 AM (Cssks)
That's real retarded, sir.
"De-policing" is the new thing. Looks like the concept has taken hold among "conservatives" now.
Posted by: mnw at October 15, 2019 11:10 AM (Cssks)
That's real retarded, sir.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 15, 2019 11:25 AM (NWiLs)
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You're being satirical here, but this is one of the only areas where I can see diversity being beneficial. You want the guy policing the neighborhood to know the neighborhood. You want him to live in the neighborhood he's policing. He's got to be a part of the group he's policing, not an outside party. Would cut down on the antagonism quite a bit if the police officer grew up knowing many of the people who live in the area he's patrolling.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 15, 2019 11:18 AM (KUaJL)
100 years ago, that's why NYC hired Irish cops to patrol Irish neighborhoods. None of this is new.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 15, 2019 11:18 AM (KUaJL)
100 years ago, that's why NYC hired Irish cops to patrol Irish neighborhoods. None of this is new.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2019 11:25 AM (Kpl3J)
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Grayson County Texas Sheriff got an armored MRAP vehicle from the Army."
Ah yes. The "1033" program strikes again - a relic of the Clinton administration, BTW.
IIRC, the DoD still "owns" the vehicles, but the locals are on the hook for all upkeep/mods/etc...
Ah yes. The "1033" program strikes again - a relic of the Clinton administration, BTW.
IIRC, the DoD still "owns" the vehicles, but the locals are on the hook for all upkeep/mods/etc...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 15, 2019 11:25 AM (6qErC)
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"Honestly, who would want to be a LEO in these current times. In an inner city, in PORTLAND??? RUFKM"
For that sweet-sweet 90% pension and endless health-care after 20 years.
For that sweet-sweet 90% pension and endless health-care after 20 years.
Posted by: doesky2 at October 15, 2019 11:25 AM (7GvGz)
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More info is leaking regarding what John "Draft Dodger" Bolton's role in the Ukraine op was.
Apparently after the call with the Ukrainian President he told Fiona Hill to go directly to the NSC legal counsel and report what she heard on the call.
It's also reported that Bolton was actively fighting with Giuliani about his activities in the Ukraine and that he said Giuliani was going to blow up the Ukraine situation.
He also apparently screamed that he didn't want to be involved with whatever drug deal Giuliani an Mulvaneny were working on vis-a-vis Ukraine.
Giuliani has just released a statement countering Bolton's calumny.
Bolton is just a G-d damned disgrace.
Put it this way, every single Bushie or anyone connected with the Bushes needs to be put on a do not hire list.
Fucking asshole traitors.
Apparently after the call with the Ukrainian President he told Fiona Hill to go directly to the NSC legal counsel and report what she heard on the call.
It's also reported that Bolton was actively fighting with Giuliani about his activities in the Ukraine and that he said Giuliani was going to blow up the Ukraine situation.
He also apparently screamed that he didn't want to be involved with whatever drug deal Giuliani an Mulvaneny were working on vis-a-vis Ukraine.
Giuliani has just released a statement countering Bolton's calumny.
Bolton is just a G-d damned disgrace.
Put it this way, every single Bushie or anyone connected with the Bushes needs to be put on a do not hire list.
Fucking asshole traitors.
Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 15, 2019 11:26 AM (gaSfV)
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I pushed hard to militarize police, because the plan was always to take your guns.
Posted by: Barky McPhuckstick at October 15, 2019 11:26 AM (OLNsx)
100
The Socialist Party@OfficialSPGB
We don't tell people we are going to "take their money". We tell people we are going to abolish capitalism and its money.
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Well, OK then.
We don't tell people we are going to "take their money". We tell people we are going to abolish capitalism and its money.
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Well, OK then.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 15, 2019 11:26 AM (+y/Ru)
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84 They claim they are going to use it in hostage situations and when delivering certain "dangerous" warrants.
Then it becomes "Well, we have it, so we should use it for low level stuff so we are proficient when the have to serve a high level warrant." Then every arrest needs the swat team and an APC.
Then it becomes "Well, we have it, so we should use it for low level stuff so we are proficient when the have to serve a high level warrant." Then every arrest needs the swat team and an APC.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 15, 2019 11:26 AM (dNzKv)
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Do you think the NYPD is better today or in the 60's and 70's?
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 15, 2019 11:22 AM (zdltJ)
Much worse. They may not be as crooked, but they are far less competent.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 15, 2019 11:22 AM (zdltJ)
Much worse. They may not be as crooked, but they are far less competent.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2019 11:27 AM (wYseH)
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"Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2019 11:18 AM (wYseH)"
Get a grip. Turning a handful of incidents into a ubiquitous cultural issue doesn't pass even initial intellectual scrutiny. Adding the false illusion that all cops protect others who are engaged in illegal or illicit activity tells me you either have no idea what you are talking about or are deliberately trying to manufacture controversy based on nothing but pathos pleas.
Get a grip. Turning a handful of incidents into a ubiquitous cultural issue doesn't pass even initial intellectual scrutiny. Adding the false illusion that all cops protect others who are engaged in illegal or illicit activity tells me you either have no idea what you are talking about or are deliberately trying to manufacture controversy based on nothing but pathos pleas.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 15, 2019 11:27 AM (8ts9m)
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I don't know the particulars of the Ft Worth incident
But the cops must be on edge
many ambushes
esp in the south
but if he did something wrong, he should be punished
Guess it doesn't matter tho
Darren Wilson's life was ruined
did his job and did nothing wrong
But the cops must be on edge
many ambushes
esp in the south
but if he did something wrong, he should be punished
Guess it doesn't matter tho
Darren Wilson's life was ruined
did his job and did nothing wrong
Posted by: REDACTED at October 15, 2019 11:27 AM (AQBtr)
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Looks like BLM has taken over here.
"De-policing" is the new thing. Looks like the concept has taken hold among "conservatives" now.
Posted by: mnw at October 15, 2019 11:10 AM
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It took hold among colonials as well, bootlicker.
"De-policing" is the new thing. Looks like the concept has taken hold among "conservatives" now.
Posted by: mnw at October 15, 2019 11:10 AM
.....
It took hold among colonials as well, bootlicker.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 15, 2019 11:28 AM (YA914)
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>>>For that sweet-sweet 90% pension and endless health-care after 20 years.
Can't speak for other cities, but that's laughable for my department. I'll have 25 years on in two days, and if I retired then, I'm looking at about $4-5,000 a month - no COLA increases - and insurance for five years.
Bonus - We're one of the lowest big-city departments in the country, salary-wise.
Can't speak for other cities, but that's laughable for my department. I'll have 25 years on in two days, and if I retired then, I'm looking at about $4-5,000 a month - no COLA increases - and insurance for five years.
Bonus - We're one of the lowest big-city departments in the country, salary-wise.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 11:28 AM (bkUtD)
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Then every arrest needs the swat team and an APC."
And parades. They luv some vehicles in parades.
And parades. They luv some vehicles in parades.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 15, 2019 11:28 AM (6qErC)
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The Ft. Worth cop had been turned down twice to become a cop by FWPD.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2019 11:12 AM (Qq3ZN)
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Interesting. Sounds like this may turn out to be another case like the Somali cop in MN -- where the shooter cop wasn't fit to be a cop, and the cops knew it, but let him be a cop anyway, with disastrous results.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2019 11:12 AM (Qq3ZN)
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Interesting. Sounds like this may turn out to be another case like the Somali cop in MN -- where the shooter cop wasn't fit to be a cop, and the cops knew it, but let him be a cop anyway, with disastrous results.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 15, 2019 11:28 AM (k4dH2)
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And yet we don't have to cut them any slack, because they do their jobs much, much better than American cops.
The standards that the military are held to, compared to the standards the typical city cop is held to, including the chain of command and the accountability thereto is completely different.
The standards that the military are held to, compared to the standards the typical city cop is held to, including the chain of command and the accountability thereto is completely different.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 15, 2019 11:28 AM (JgJV1)
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Much worse. They may not be as crooked, but they are far less competent.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2019 11:27 AM (wYseH)
How did I know you would say that even with the truckload of facts that prove otherwise.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2019 11:27 AM (wYseH)
How did I know you would say that even with the truckload of facts that prove otherwise.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 15, 2019 11:28 AM (zdltJ)
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Massachusetts State Police is a shithole full of very shitty people. Like the FBI, there are just some LEAs which are not salvageable, and must be shuttered.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at October 15, 2019 11:28 AM (I99aF)
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Just last week Grayson County Texas Sheriff got an armored MRAP vehicle from the Army.
They claim they are going to use it in hostage situations and when delivering certain "dangerous" warrants.
They do not need something like that. Plus it is just an extra expense to upkeep.
Posted by: Mr. Scott
Sherman/Denison/Pottsboro has that may hostage situations?
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2019 11:20 AM
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That was my first reaction when I saw the article in the paper complete with picture.
I think there was one time in the last 4 years where a guy was keeping his girlfriend in the house against her will. He did have a gun but no shots were fired.
They claim they are going to use it in hostage situations and when delivering certain "dangerous" warrants.
They do not need something like that. Plus it is just an extra expense to upkeep.
Posted by: Mr. Scott
Sherman/Denison/Pottsboro has that may hostage situations?
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2019 11:20 AM
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That was my first reaction when I saw the article in the paper complete with picture.
I think there was one time in the last 4 years where a guy was keeping his girlfriend in the house against her will. He did have a gun but no shots were fired.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 15, 2019 11:29 AM (JUOKG)
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They claim they are going to use it in hostage situations and when delivering certain "dangerous" warrants.
How do they know that the warrants are "dangerous"?
Probably because the perp is known to be a dangerous person.
How did that person become known as dangerous?
Because he is a repeat customer in theJustice Legal Court system. Blame the judges, the edjumakashun cartels, decadent society and the former United States' immigration policy.
We have dangerous no-knocks because there is no consequence to gunning down people and destroying their homes. If there consequences, then no one would do the job because of the risks. Because truly dangerous people are allowed to roam free, we need elevated methods of securing them only to cut them loose before the paper work is even complete.
Pretty lousy situation that has no solution.
How do they know that the warrants are "dangerous"?
Probably because the perp is known to be a dangerous person.
How did that person become known as dangerous?
Because he is a repeat customer in the
We have dangerous no-knocks because there is no consequence to gunning down people and destroying their homes. If there consequences, then no one would do the job because of the risks. Because truly dangerous people are allowed to roam free, we need elevated methods of securing them only to cut them loose before the paper work is even complete.
Pretty lousy situation that has no solution.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at October 15, 2019 11:29 AM (lD3vL)
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Giuliani has just released a statement countering Bolton's calumny.
Bolton is just a G-d damned disgrace.
Posted by: Gossamer Penguin
My backing of Bolton?
I feel the same as the way I did after voting for and finding out about Shrub, McCain, & Romney.
I need a shower.
Bolton is just a G-d damned disgrace.
Posted by: Gossamer Penguin
My backing of Bolton?
I feel the same as the way I did after voting for and finding out about Shrub, McCain, & Romney.
I need a shower.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2019 11:29 AM (Qq3ZN)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 15, 2019 11:29 AM (aKsyK)
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hey what College did Lebron got to?
Posted by: Nevergiveup
He went straight from high school into the pros. Never went to college.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at October 15, 2019 11:18 AM (vcOmj)
Cough Cough LOL..that was a rhetorical question. But come to think of it, maybe his high school should be embarrased
Posted by: Nevergiveup
He went straight from high school into the pros. Never went to college.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at October 15, 2019 11:18 AM (vcOmj)
Cough Cough LOL..that was a rhetorical question. But come to think of it, maybe his high school should be embarrased
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2019 11:29 AM (cEsBM)
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Police interactions vs Police shootings is probably near .001%. The militarization as you call it is a defensive strategy not an offensive. The real answer to these extremely horrible incidents is the simple fact that these individuals should have never been cops in the first place
Posted by: Bill Westphal at October 15, 2019 11:08 AM (8Unxl)
Yeah, flash bangs thru the window rarely kills babies, but it does cause deafness and visual issues. And let's not ignore all the dead dogs either.
Radley Balko has written extensively about the militarization of police. One stat of his I semi-remember well is the increase in SWAT raids over a decade? ; it went from 400 to over 20k in a brief timeframe.
That doesn't sound 'defensive' to me.
Posted by: Bill Westphal at October 15, 2019 11:08 AM (8Unxl)
Yeah, flash bangs thru the window rarely kills babies, but it does cause deafness and visual issues. And let's not ignore all the dead dogs either.
Radley Balko has written extensively about the militarization of police. One stat of his I semi-remember well is the increase in SWAT raids over a decade? ; it went from 400 to over 20k in a brief timeframe.
That doesn't sound 'defensive' to me.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 15, 2019 11:29 AM (Z4rgH)
118
where the shooter cop wasn't fit to be a cop, and the cops knew it, but let him be a cop anyway,"
As mentioned - this will all come to light - eventually. Well past the next 2 or 3 outrages, tho.
As mentioned - this will all come to light - eventually. Well past the next 2 or 3 outrages, tho.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 15, 2019 11:29 AM (6qErC)
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Greg Rubini @GregRubini
1. imagine if at a dinner in Washington DC, in Oct 2016, you had:
- John Brennan, Director of the CIA
- Susan Rice, Obama's Nat. Security Adviser
together with Eric Ciaramella - the Adam Schiff 'whistleblower'...
1. imagine if at a dinner in Washington DC, in Oct 2016, you had:
- John Brennan, Director of the CIA
- Susan Rice, Obama's Nat. Security Adviser
together with Eric Ciaramella - the Adam Schiff 'whistleblower'...
Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 15, 2019 11:30 AM (BqBId)
120
OT: The Master is goading Hillary into running. Her emails are coming out.
@realDonaldTrump
... Reminds me of Crooked Hillary and her 33,000 deleted Emails, not recoverable!
@realDonaldTrump
... Reminds me of Crooked Hillary and her 33,000 deleted Emails, not recoverable!
Posted by: t-bird at October 15, 2019 11:30 AM (EYsyU)
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This is why it was the highway patrolmen who solved that big drug bust up in Vermont in the 2000s, and then again did that thing in Canada a few years ago, and not the local police.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 15, 2019 11:30 AM (KUaJL)
122
Turning a handful of incidents into a ubiquitous
cultural issue doesn't pass even initial intellectual scrutiny. Adding
the false illusion that all cops protect others who are engaged in
illegal or illicit activity tells me you either have no idea what you
are talking about or are deliberately trying to manufacture controversy
based on nothing but pathos pleas.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 15, 2019 11:27 AM (8ts9m)
You seem to be quite the expert.
But the reality is that it isn't a handful of incidents. It is a pervasive problem, and a cursory reading of the data will show you that.
As for crooked cops being given a pass by their "honest" partners? You are foolishly naive if you think even 1% of police malfeasance is reported.
cultural issue doesn't pass even initial intellectual scrutiny. Adding
the false illusion that all cops protect others who are engaged in
illegal or illicit activity tells me you either have no idea what you
are talking about or are deliberately trying to manufacture controversy
based on nothing but pathos pleas.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 15, 2019 11:27 AM (8ts9m)
You seem to be quite the expert.
But the reality is that it isn't a handful of incidents. It is a pervasive problem, and a cursory reading of the data will show you that.
As for crooked cops being given a pass by their "honest" partners? You are foolishly naive if you think even 1% of police malfeasance is reported.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2019 11:31 AM (wYseH)
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By the way Cops shooting innocent people is a percentage wise insignificant statistic. Not excusing bad cops and bad policing, but let's keep things in perspective. Bad Doctors kill more people than bad cops.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2019 11:31 AM (cEsBM)
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Yeah. This has gone front-and-center with traffic cameras, which are
Constitutionally dubious and proven to cause more accidents, but beloved
by the swamp for revenue.
The law should always be enforced by a human. Having some machine meting out justice is the fast road to slavery.
Constitutionally dubious and proven to cause more accidents, but beloved
by the swamp for revenue.
The law should always be enforced by a human. Having some machine meting out justice is the fast road to slavery.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy does whatever his television tells him at October 15, 2019 11:31 AM (HaL55)
125
There are several issues with law enforcement.
One, urbanization is a bad thing for society. Too many people crowded together is a stressor. It also leads to people expecting political solutions to personal problems, instead of taking care of themselves.
Another issue is that police are now called upon to solve family and personal issues that should have been taken care of by the family - see above
Another issue is that while government spending is increasing, it is going to transfer payments and not to things like law enforcement. You would be shocked at the small number of police that are actually on patrol in most large cities.
One more issue, police are a source of revenue instead of a law enforcement arm, due to the lack of funding noted above.
And finally, new recruits are hard to find, given the above, as well as the war on cops, and the standards have gone down in response.
I also think it is interesting that members of the political class are exempt from the laws, while those lower down on the totem pole are facing more and more scrutiny. I am sure this plays into it as well.
One, urbanization is a bad thing for society. Too many people crowded together is a stressor. It also leads to people expecting political solutions to personal problems, instead of taking care of themselves.
Another issue is that police are now called upon to solve family and personal issues that should have been taken care of by the family - see above
Another issue is that while government spending is increasing, it is going to transfer payments and not to things like law enforcement. You would be shocked at the small number of police that are actually on patrol in most large cities.
One more issue, police are a source of revenue instead of a law enforcement arm, due to the lack of funding noted above.
And finally, new recruits are hard to find, given the above, as well as the war on cops, and the standards have gone down in response.
I also think it is interesting that members of the political class are exempt from the laws, while those lower down on the totem pole are facing more and more scrutiny. I am sure this plays into it as well.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 15, 2019 11:31 AM (YslsA)
126
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
now
Just out: MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS AT THE HIGHEST POINT EVER, EVER, EVER! How about saying it this way, IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY! Also, MORE PEOPLE WORKING TODAY IN THE USA THAN AT ANY TIME IN HISTORY! Tough numbers for the Radical Left Democrats to beat! Impeach the Pres.
now
Just out: MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS AT THE HIGHEST POINT EVER, EVER, EVER! How about saying it this way, IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY! Also, MORE PEOPLE WORKING TODAY IN THE USA THAN AT ANY TIME IN HISTORY! Tough numbers for the Radical Left Democrats to beat! Impeach the Pres.
Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 15, 2019 11:32 AM (BqBId)
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As mentioned - this will all come to light - eventually. Well past the next 2 or 3 outrages, tho.
____________
Yes, and as somebody else mentioned, the taxpayers will take it in the shorts for the shooting, and absolutely nothing will change.
As mentioned - this will all come to light - eventually. Well past the next 2 or 3 outrages, tho.
____________
Yes, and as somebody else mentioned, the taxpayers will take it in the shorts for the shooting, and absolutely nothing will change.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 15, 2019 11:32 AM (k4dH2)
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Bad Doctors kill more people than bad cops.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2019 11:31 AM (cEsBM)
********
You got something against Pakastani Doctors?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2019 11:31 AM (cEsBM)
********
You got something against Pakastani Doctors?
Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 15, 2019 11:32 AM (flINI)
129
Question for the Horde: you are carrying concealed, legally, in a concealed carry State, and a naked crazy guy, fit and muscular, charges at you, with seemingly murderous intent. Do you shoot him?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 15, 2019 11:22 AM (QugKX)
I'll tell you the details of a local case that still grieves me, and the deputy involved was cleared, faced no charges, because it was true that he was attacked. But the attacker was a 15 year old mentally ill girl who weighed barely 100 pounds. He tried to tase her and it didn't work for some reason, so he shot her through the heart.
I don't care about the justification, if you can't put a lightweight 15 year girl down with a single right hook, you don't need to be in that business, and I don't care how crazy she was. It was probably a suicide by cop, but there was no reason he had to oblige her.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 15, 2019 11:22 AM (QugKX)
I'll tell you the details of a local case that still grieves me, and the deputy involved was cleared, faced no charges, because it was true that he was attacked. But the attacker was a 15 year old mentally ill girl who weighed barely 100 pounds. He tried to tase her and it didn't work for some reason, so he shot her through the heart.
I don't care about the justification, if you can't put a lightweight 15 year girl down with a single right hook, you don't need to be in that business, and I don't care how crazy she was. It was probably a suicide by cop, but there was no reason he had to oblige her.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2019 11:33 AM (Kpl3J)
130
My backing of Bolton?
I feel the same as the way I did after voting for and finding out about Shrub, McCain, & Romney.
I need a shower.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2019 11:29 AM (Qq3ZN)
Lol. I feel your pain. Pretty much the same story about Mattis. Though at least in his case, in spite of his tough talk he's a Dem. His Demness leaks out all over.
dimness -- hereditary
Demness -- learned behavior
One of these two has a choice.
I feel the same as the way I did after voting for and finding out about Shrub, McCain, & Romney.
I need a shower.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2019 11:29 AM (Qq3ZN)
Lol. I feel your pain. Pretty much the same story about Mattis. Though at least in his case, in spite of his tough talk he's a Dem. His Demness leaks out all over.
dimness -- hereditary
Demness -- learned behavior
One of these two has a choice.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 15, 2019 11:33 AM (Z4rgH)
131
what College did Lebron got to?
Posted by: Nevergiveup
He went straight from high school into the pros. Never went to college.
-
Still, be knows many of the letters of the alphabet.
Posted by: Nevergiveup
He went straight from high school into the pros. Never went to college.
-
Still, be knows many of the letters of the alphabet.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 15, 2019 11:33 AM (+y/Ru)
132
Question for the Horde: you are carrying concealed, legally, in a concealed carry State, and a naked crazy guy, fit and muscular, charges at you, with seemingly murderous intent. Do you shoot him?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 15, 2019 11:22 AM (QugKX)
Until he stops moving.
any naked guy charging at me, ESPECIALLY if I've identified myself as having a gun, is "mentally unstable" and a danger to me.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 15, 2019 11:22 AM (QugKX)
Until he stops moving.
any naked guy charging at me, ESPECIALLY if I've identified myself as having a gun, is "mentally unstable" and a danger to me.
Posted by: SturmToddler at October 15, 2019 11:33 AM (8D42x)
133
Bloomington, Indiana's armored police vehicle:
https://tinyurl.com/yxkxkmhm"
Heh. That's a Bearcat. Ford F-550 (IIRC)
https://tinyurl.com/yxkxkmhm"
Heh. That's a Bearcat. Ford F-550 (IIRC)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 15, 2019 11:33 AM (6qErC)
134
For the most part, society has to police itself for the little, day-to-day thing. LEO's are just there for the extreme cases.
Society is no longer policing itself and expecting LE to do everything.
Society is no longer policing itself and expecting LE to do everything.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 15, 2019 11:34 AM (xfb67)
135
The law should always be enforced by a human. Having some machine meting out justice is the fast road to slavery.
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My sentiments as well.
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My sentiments as well.
Posted by: Samuel T. Cogley at October 15, 2019 11:34 AM (vg8iE)
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103
"Get a grip. Turning a handful of incidents into a ubiquitous cultural issue doesn't pass even initial intellectual scrutiny..."
Handful of incidents. Hardly.
See cop speeding lately? Did you assume he or she was en route to a crime or a crash? Did they have their lights on?
A police officer has to obey all the same traffic rules as the peons except in one instance. That is when they are displaying the flashing lights reserved for police use. Sirens are required too but there is a bit more discretion there. But, no lights, no speeding, no blowing through traffic lights, no driving on the sidewalk, etc.
So, the next time a state trooper blows past you at 90 mph without lights, it is more likely the end of his shift than it is a barricaded gunman.
When those charged with enforcing the law know the law will never be applied to them the result is a thug police state.
"Get a grip. Turning a handful of incidents into a ubiquitous cultural issue doesn't pass even initial intellectual scrutiny..."
Handful of incidents. Hardly.
See cop speeding lately? Did you assume he or she was en route to a crime or a crash? Did they have their lights on?
A police officer has to obey all the same traffic rules as the peons except in one instance. That is when they are displaying the flashing lights reserved for police use. Sirens are required too but there is a bit more discretion there. But, no lights, no speeding, no blowing through traffic lights, no driving on the sidewalk, etc.
So, the next time a state trooper blows past you at 90 mph without lights, it is more likely the end of his shift than it is a barricaded gunman.
When those charged with enforcing the law know the law will never be applied to them the result is a thug police state.
Posted by: Stazi at October 15, 2019 11:34 AM (Men5k)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 15, 2019 11:35 AM (6qErC)
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Society is no longer policing itself and expecting LE to do everything.
=====
Including remedying McDonald's being out of Chicken McNuggets
Society is no longer policing itself and expecting LE to do everything.
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Including remedying McDonald's being out of Chicken McNuggets
Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 15, 2019 11:35 AM (vg8iE)
139
You got something against Pakastani Doctors?
Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 15, 2019 11:32 AM (flINI)
Not as much as I do against those pakastini scum who call me as if they work for mastercard visa and are going to save me a ton of money. But for some reason they always seem to hang up on me when I ask them who gives a better blow job, their mother or their sisters? Go figure
Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 15, 2019 11:32 AM (flINI)
Not as much as I do against those pakastini scum who call me as if they work for mastercard visa and are going to save me a ton of money. But for some reason they always seem to hang up on me when I ask them who gives a better blow job, their mother or their sisters? Go figure
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2019 11:35 AM (cEsBM)
140
As people, I'd say the same thing about cops that I always say about lawyers: the good news is that they are just like everybody else; the bad news is that they are lie everybody else. But in addition (1) they wield a lot of power and power tends to corrupt; (2) because they exercise force on behalf of the state, their mistakes and misbehavior tend to be especially bad; and (3) the pseudo-militarization of law enforcement has resulted in a fairly ugly cop culture.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 15, 2019 11:35 AM (ppBhU)
141
107 Then every arrest needs the swat team and an APC."
And parades. They luv some vehicles in parades.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 15, 2019 11:28 AM (6qErC)
I've watched a lot of First 48. Much of the time you see plain clothed detectives with just their duty firearms knocking doors looking for suspected murders and not totally freaked out about it. Just cautious. Sometimes they haul out swat and one time they actually killed a little girl accidentally in one episode.
As others have pointed out it seems like one you have a swat team it's a big hammer where every issue becomes a nail. Kill dogs, Negligent Discharges, pumped on on CQB adrenaline, hair trigger responses primed... And looking at some of the bad shootings there is a distinct lack of training on the elite swat squad. And too much focus on force and immediate suppression in all cases (with some poor training).
I have a lot of empathy for officers, but mainly for the dregs of society they have to interact with every day. I know they want to return home safe but so do the people on the other side of their body armor and handgun.
And parades. They luv some vehicles in parades.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at October 15, 2019 11:28 AM (6qErC)
I've watched a lot of First 48. Much of the time you see plain clothed detectives with just their duty firearms knocking doors looking for suspected murders and not totally freaked out about it. Just cautious. Sometimes they haul out swat and one time they actually killed a little girl accidentally in one episode.
As others have pointed out it seems like one you have a swat team it's a big hammer where every issue becomes a nail. Kill dogs, Negligent Discharges, pumped on on CQB adrenaline, hair trigger responses primed... And looking at some of the bad shootings there is a distinct lack of training on the elite swat squad. And too much focus on force and immediate suppression in all cases (with some poor training).
I have a lot of empathy for officers, but mainly for the dregs of society they have to interact with every day. I know they want to return home safe but so do the people on the other side of their body armor and handgun.
Posted by: Keith at October 15, 2019 11:35 AM (jdGlx)
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102 Do you think the NYPD is better today or in the 60's and 70's?
I've had 4 or five run ins with the NYPD
each one BS and each one reversed
Cab runs red light and T bones me
his fare, a rich lady, tells cop she told cabbie to stop
Nothing about this in the police report
luckily I got the lady's card and my ins agent got on her on tape.
that's the NYPD
I've had 4 or five run ins with the NYPD
each one BS and each one reversed
Cab runs red light and T bones me
his fare, a rich lady, tells cop she told cabbie to stop
Nothing about this in the police report
luckily I got the lady's card and my ins agent got on her on tape.
that's the NYPD
Posted by: REDACTED at October 15, 2019 11:36 AM (AQBtr)
143
The problem with having a SWAT team is that the police want to use it.
I have known SWAT guys.
They are all revved up with no where to go.
So every routine warrant becomes a SWAT raid so they have somewhere to go. They treat it as training. Part of the SWAT training is "kill the dog" so that is what they do, regardless of the warrant they are serving. Hauling families out of bed in the pajamas.
SWAT guys are the ones who would love to come for your guns. They are the good guys, we are the bad guys.
I have known SWAT guys.
They are all revved up with no where to go.
So every routine warrant becomes a SWAT raid so they have somewhere to go. They treat it as training. Part of the SWAT training is "kill the dog" so that is what they do, regardless of the warrant they are serving. Hauling families out of bed in the pajamas.
SWAT guys are the ones who would love to come for your guns. They are the good guys, we are the bad guys.
Posted by: thesgm at October 15, 2019 11:36 AM (SbC0s)
144
My interaction with police consists of having a few as patients and saying good morning to them at Starbucks.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2019 11:37 AM (cEsBM)
145
Regarding the militarization of the police; here's a personal anecdote. In the 90s I was young and interested in law enforcement. 8 tried out for the CHP. I was told that I could take the tests, but I would never be selected because I wasn't in the military. I wasn't selected.
Meanwhile, a story broke nationwide about how a major city (forgot which one) refused to hire a police officer because his college degrees made him "too smart" for the job. The department's response was that the job is too boring for an intellectual so he would probably just quit.
I saw that law enforcement was a curious "culture" that had little to do with the rest of America. I see it's gotten worse.
Meanwhile, a story broke nationwide about how a major city (forgot which one) refused to hire a police officer because his college degrees made him "too smart" for the job. The department's response was that the job is too boring for an intellectual so he would probably just quit.
I saw that law enforcement was a curious "culture" that had little to do with the rest of America. I see it's gotten worse.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at October 15, 2019 11:38 AM (I99aF)
146
The female cop who shot the guy in the wrong apartment reminded me quite a bit of Israel trying to explain why they sunk the USS Liberty.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at October 15, 2019 11:38 AM (N4xQB)
147
There are several issues with law enforcement.
One, urbanization is a bad thing for society. Too many people crowded together is a stressor. It also leads to people expecting political solutions to personal problems, instead of taking care of themselves.
Ding ding ding
One, urbanization is a bad thing for society. Too many people crowded together is a stressor. It also leads to people expecting political solutions to personal problems, instead of taking care of themselves.
Ding ding ding
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2019 11:39 AM (Qq3ZN)
148
My interaction with police consists of having a few as patients and saying good morning to them at Starbucks.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2019 11:37 AM (cEsBM)
Never hurts to buy them donuts, nice sugar coated donuts. Good for repeat business.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2019 11:37 AM (cEsBM)
Never hurts to buy them donuts, nice sugar coated donuts. Good for repeat business.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 15, 2019 11:39 AM (QugKX)
149
China Defends Pro-Communist NBA Players: Stars Have Done Nothing Wrong
You are who your friends are
You are who your friends are
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2019 11:39 AM (cEsBM)
150
In every ailment that is put upon the USA, the media deserves the most responsibility. Because these stupid, ignorant, arrogant people are trying to change the world... FOR THE WORSE.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at October 15, 2019 11:39 AM (pw+jk)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2019 11:40 AM (cEsBM)
152
You want to see shit change in a hurry? Hold judges accountable for their decisions to release known felons and illegals.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 15, 2019 11:40 AM (JgJV1)
153
For that sweet-sweet 90% pension and endless health-care after 20 years.
Can't speak for other cities, but that's laughable for my department. I'll have 25 years on in two days, and if I retired then, I'm looking at about $4-5,000 a month - no COLA increases - and insurance for five years.
Bonus - We're one of the lowest big-city departments in the country, salary-wise.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 11:28 AM (bkUtD)
Not knocking you at all, and glad to hear you've survived 25 years, but even with a nice 401k, i'm not looking at that much during retirement. much less guaranteed money.
i got in the wrong job...
Can't speak for other cities, but that's laughable for my department. I'll have 25 years on in two days, and if I retired then, I'm looking at about $4-5,000 a month - no COLA increases - and insurance for five years.
Bonus - We're one of the lowest big-city departments in the country, salary-wise.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 11:28 AM (bkUtD)
Not knocking you at all, and glad to hear you've survived 25 years, but even with a nice 401k, i'm not looking at that much during retirement. much less guaranteed money.
i got in the wrong job...
Posted by: SturmToddler at October 15, 2019 11:40 AM (8D42x)
154
Meanwhile, a story broke nationwide about how a major city (forgot which one) refused to hire a police officer because his college degrees made him "too smart" for the job. The department's response was that the job is too boring for an intellectual so he would probably just quit.
Posted by: Rusty Nail
Whereas I couldn't get a cop job with four years as a prison guard because I didn't have a degree.
Posted by: Rusty Nail
Whereas I couldn't get a cop job with four years as a prison guard because I didn't have a degree.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2019 11:40 AM (Qq3ZN)
155
152: works for me
Posted by: CN at October 15, 2019 11:41 AM (U7k5w)
156
Question for the Horde: you are carrying concealed, legally, in a concealed carry State, and a naked crazy guy, fit and muscular, charges at you, with seemingly murderous intent. Do you shoot him?
Sure, in the kneecap.
Sure, in the kneecap.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 15, 2019 11:41 AM (ZGrMX)
157
>>For the most part, society has to police itself for the little, day-to-day thing. LEO's are just there for the extreme cases.
>>Society is no longer policing itself and expecting LE to do everything.
Very good point. I would add that society has become a lot less stable and a lot more violent since the days of Leave it to Beaver.
>>Society is no longer policing itself and expecting LE to do everything.
Very good point. I would add that society has become a lot less stable and a lot more violent since the days of Leave it to Beaver.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 15, 2019 11:41 AM (ZLI7S)
158
As others have said, the police today are nothing but tax collectors with guns
Look to England--patrolling Facebook for hate crimes cause the fat, middle-age white guy will pay the fine and be easy to arrest.
But the guys stabbing folk, throwing acid, and raping little girls?
Stopping that is too much like work and they ain't gonna do any of that ....
Same tend in the US
Look to England--patrolling Facebook for hate crimes cause the fat, middle-age white guy will pay the fine and be easy to arrest.
But the guys stabbing folk, throwing acid, and raping little girls?
Stopping that is too much like work and they ain't gonna do any of that ....
Same tend in the US
Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at October 15, 2019 11:41 AM (mIM7J)
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Retirement? What the hell is that?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 15, 2019 11:41 AM (xfb67)
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Bad Doctors kill more people than bad cops.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2019 11:31 AM (cEsBM)
are bad dentists killing people too?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2019 11:31 AM (cEsBM)
are bad dentists killing people too?
Posted by: SturmToddler at October 15, 2019 11:41 AM (8D42x)
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My advice to anyone
don't join a urban police dept. You're rolling the dice
you have little towns out in the Berkshires now filling the spots with urban cops
don't join a urban police dept. You're rolling the dice
you have little towns out in the Berkshires now filling the spots with urban cops
Posted by: REDACTED at October 15, 2019 11:41 AM (AQBtr)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 15, 2019 11:41 AM (7rVsF)
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are bad dentists killing people too?
Posted by: SturmToddler at October 15, 2019 11:41 AM (8D42x)
I plead the Fifth
Posted by: SturmToddler at October 15, 2019 11:41 AM (8D42x)
I plead the Fifth
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2019 11:42 AM (cEsBM)
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>>>Not knocking you at all, and glad to hear you've survived 25 years, but even with a nice 401k, i'm not looking at that much during retirement. much less guaranteed money.
It's Philly. Believe me, there is no guarantee. They've been talking about dumping pensions for the last ten years. I can't retire yet, so every day I wonder if this is the day.
It's Philly. Believe me, there is no guarantee. They've been talking about dumping pensions for the last ten years. I can't retire yet, so every day I wonder if this is the day.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 11:42 AM (bkUtD)
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Datum:
I live in a suburban area with a reasonably low violent crime rate (but an increasing theft rate) toward the edge of a major urban area. Within 6 miles of my home, two police officers have been murdered in the past four years. One while fueling a vehicle, the other on a traffic stop.
I live in a suburban area with a reasonably low violent crime rate (but an increasing theft rate) toward the edge of a major urban area. Within 6 miles of my home, two police officers have been murdered in the past four years. One while fueling a vehicle, the other on a traffic stop.
Posted by: Undocumented at October 15, 2019 11:42 AM (5NMZN)
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Stay safe, Wyatt.
Posted by: SMH at October 15, 2019 11:42 AM (RU4sa)
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Biggs...
A less controversial analogy would be the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution.
There were no NV PT boats that night. But LBJ got his resolution and over 50,000 US warriors died. And the RVN still fell.
A less controversial analogy would be the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution.
There were no NV PT boats that night. But LBJ got his resolution and over 50,000 US warriors died. And the RVN still fell.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 15, 2019 11:43 AM (J/VKP)
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I see on the Morning Report thread that the Horde is being pretty tough on Former Amb Bolton - not that he doesn't deserve it.
But I doubt very seriously that he gave a rats ass about complaints from US diplomats with ties to the former corrupt Ukraine Admin that Trump was digging into 2016 and upsetting these poor Ukrainians. More likely he was angry with Trump for holding us $ and military goodies just because the Euro Trash wouldn't kick in. That was the rift here.
And when sweet cheeks went to Bolton in early July to complain - what is more likely? He was horrified and concerned? Or that he told Ms. Drama queen that if she's so upset over it, she should just sashay over to the State Dept lawyers and tell them her "concerns"? Please note that right after she went to them, she quit, probably because they told her to LOLGF!
But I doubt very seriously that he gave a rats ass about complaints from US diplomats with ties to the former corrupt Ukraine Admin that Trump was digging into 2016 and upsetting these poor Ukrainians. More likely he was angry with Trump for holding us $ and military goodies just because the Euro Trash wouldn't kick in. That was the rift here.
And when sweet cheeks went to Bolton in early July to complain - what is more likely? He was horrified and concerned? Or that he told Ms. Drama queen that if she's so upset over it, she should just sashay over to the State Dept lawyers and tell them her "concerns"? Please note that right after she went to them, she quit, probably because they told her to LOLGF!
Posted by: Boswell at October 15, 2019 11:43 AM (32YRo)
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>>>If we take away everyone's guns the police won't have a reason to shoot anyone.
A city councilperson on Burlington V propose that a week or so ago.
A city councilperson on Burlington V propose that a week or so ago.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 11:43 AM (bkUtD)
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I was thinking about this subject just yesterday when the photo of the Police that looked like a squad of soldiers was posted here. The militarization really seemed to ramp up after 9/11. Bush bought them.
The small town I lived in at the time got a tricked out RV (COMMAND CENTER), better weaponry, money for training, and improved communications (which actually was needed) all in the name of National security. They received that money because there is a small chemical firm in town. A very small firm. Of course now that COMMAND CENTER!! is needed at public events like the 4th of July, Memorial day, Car shows, anytime the public gathers. :/
The small town I lived in at the time got a tricked out RV (COMMAND CENTER), better weaponry, money for training, and improved communications (which actually was needed) all in the name of National security. They received that money because there is a small chemical firm in town. A very small firm. Of course now that COMMAND CENTER!! is needed at public events like the 4th of July, Memorial day, Car shows, anytime the public gathers. :/
Posted by: Local degen at October 15, 2019 11:43 AM (Bf3hj)
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163 are bad dentists killing people too?
Posted by: SturmToddler at October 15, 2019 11:41 AM (8D42x)
My dentist used to give me nice scripts for Valium
no more
so yes, he's killing me
Posted by: SturmToddler at October 15, 2019 11:41 AM (8D42x)
My dentist used to give me nice scripts for Valium
no more
so yes, he's killing me
Posted by: REDACTED at October 15, 2019 11:44 AM (AQBtr)
Posted by: SMH at October 15, 2019 11:44 AM (RU4sa)
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Ukraine is probably useful for US (and Europe more so, really). But DeepState ran the coup on behalf of the globalists, it would seem. And they knew full well of all the Graft by Hillary/Biden/others ... why was that all permitted? And behind much of it is globalist American enemy Soros.
So even Ukraine's people got fed up with the corruption, but our own IC stiff armed the new president when he offered evidence of the Hillary/DNC coup efforts there (because it was also a FBI/CIA operation). That got Rudy and State involved ... and now our IC is to destroy them, to protect their ShadowGovernment. It's an open coup ... need more white hats ... the sleeper moles keep popping up on the inside.
So even Ukraine's people got fed up with the corruption, but our own IC stiff armed the new president when he offered evidence of the Hillary/DNC coup efforts there (because it was also a FBI/CIA operation). That got Rudy and State involved ... and now our IC is to destroy them, to protect their ShadowGovernment. It's an open coup ... need more white hats ... the sleeper moles keep popping up on the inside.
Posted by: illiniwek at October 15, 2019 11:44 AM (Cus5s)
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 15, 2019 11:44 AM (zdltJ)
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you have little towns out in the Berkshires now filling the spots with urban cops
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That is happening everywhere in the US. Big city police is a hopeless job, and an accident/incident waiting to happen.
you have little towns out in the Berkshires now filling the spots with urban cops
Posted by: REDACTED
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That is happening everywhere in the US. Big city police is a hopeless job, and an accident/incident waiting to happen.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 15, 2019 11:44 AM (YslsA)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 15, 2019 11:44 AM (ejd/p)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 15, 2019 11:45 AM (r+sAi)
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Yo!
Posted by: Yo! at October 15, 2019 11:45 AM (1XAal)
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Cops are the enforcers of he unjust laws of this illegitimate nation. They are occupiers in every sense of the word.
Posted by: No at October 15, 2019 11:45 AM (9LxBx)
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Ukraine is just pawn in game of life.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 15, 2019 11:45 AM (xfb67)
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Holy crap! The Queen just told Parliament to $hit or get off the pot in regards to Brexit. She said it was her priority to leave the EU.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 15, 2019 11:45 AM (JUOKG)
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Question for the Horde: you are carrying concealed, legally, in a concealed carry State, and a naked crazy guy, fit and muscular, charges at you, with seemingly murderous intent. Do you shoot him?
Yep.
I'd also shoot Tom Servo's retarded girl.
I'm not trying to be cute about this. But I'm not a large fella and I like by body parts where they are and intact. I'm not tussling with no one if I've got a choice. The idea that a 100-pound retard can't hurt you is, well, optimistic.
Yep.
I'd also shoot Tom Servo's retarded girl.
I'm not trying to be cute about this. But I'm not a large fella and I like by body parts where they are and intact. I'm not tussling with no one if I've got a choice. The idea that a 100-pound retard can't hurt you is, well, optimistic.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 15, 2019 11:45 AM (ppBhU)
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Bonus - We're one of the lowest big-city departments in the country, salary-wise.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 11:28 AM (bkUtD)
You should come to Bergen County NJ.
By the way, was I stupid to walk from center city to 11th and Tasker...and then back, for dinner?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 11:28 AM (bkUtD)
You should come to Bergen County NJ.
By the way, was I stupid to walk from center city to 11th and Tasker...and then back, for dinner?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2019 11:45 AM (wYseH)
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you have little towns out in the Berkshires now filling the spots with urban cops
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Handing off their own problems to the rubes.
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Handing off their own problems to the rubes.
Posted by: mustbequantum at October 15, 2019 11:45 AM (MIKMs)
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Whereas I couldn't get a cop job with four years as a prison guard because I didn't have a degree.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2019 11:40 AM
I believe the prospective cop in that story had some post-graduate degrees beyond the usual bachelor's. Not that it ever should have precluded him from employment.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2019 11:40 AM
I believe the prospective cop in that story had some post-graduate degrees beyond the usual bachelor's. Not that it ever should have precluded him from employment.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at October 15, 2019 11:46 AM (I99aF)
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Yes.. this is very disturbing.
I think training must be the problem.
Who the hell thinks it is a good idea to walk up to a house unannounced with weapon drawn and shoot at the first thing you think is suspicious?? Through a window! WTF?
The police chief cited "policies" that should have prevented this.. but are these simply written policies or has the situational training to back them up been provided as well???
I think training must be the problem.
Who the hell thinks it is a good idea to walk up to a house unannounced with weapon drawn and shoot at the first thing you think is suspicious?? Through a window! WTF?
The police chief cited "policies" that should have prevented this.. but are these simply written policies or has the situational training to back them up been provided as well???
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 15, 2019 11:46 AM (so+oy)
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My backing of Bolton?
I feel the same as the way I did after voting for and finding out about Shrub, McCain, Romney.
I need a shower.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2019 11:29 AM (Qq3ZN)
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As to Bolton. I read the Moron Report comments. I'm always late being on the left coast. However if I understand this correctly, everyone is all fired up over a NEW YORK TIMES Propaganda hit piece? WTH?
Remember any and all NYT "articles/reporting will be proved to be lies. Nothing but lies covering up for donks and screwing with republicans. I'd keep that in mind with rhetoric.
I feel the same as the way I did after voting for and finding out about Shrub, McCain, Romney.
I need a shower.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2019 11:29 AM (Qq3ZN)
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As to Bolton. I read the Moron Report comments. I'm always late being on the left coast. However if I understand this correctly, everyone is all fired up over a NEW YORK TIMES Propaganda hit piece? WTH?
Remember any and all NYT "articles/reporting will be proved to be lies. Nothing but lies covering up for donks and screwing with republicans. I'd keep that in mind with rhetoric.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at October 15, 2019 11:46 AM (pw+jk)
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One, urbanization is a bad thing for society. Too many people crowded together is a stressor. It also leads to people expecting political solutions to personal problems, instead of taking care of themselves.
Ding ding ding
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2019 11:39 AM (Qq3ZN)
Well stated. There are reasons progressives want people to live in cities.
Ding ding ding
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2019 11:39 AM (Qq3ZN)
Well stated. There are reasons progressives want people to live in cities.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at October 15, 2019 11:46 AM (N4xQB)
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I live in a Mayberry-esque town with eight officers.
They seem decent.
Posted by: SMH at October 15, 2019 11:44 AM
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Same where I live. A dozen or so Cops haven't encountered a single one with an attitude yet.
They seem decent.
Posted by: SMH at October 15, 2019 11:44 AM
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Same where I live. A dozen or so Cops haven't encountered a single one with an attitude yet.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 15, 2019 11:46 AM (JUOKG)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2019 11:46 AM (cEsBM)
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Funny, "The War on Drugs" and it's evil little brother "Civil Asset Forfeiture" has had the full-throated support of The Right for 50+ years. But hey, gotta keep those "stupid dope-smoking hippies" in line.
Posted by: I Have Questions at October 15, 2019 11:46 AM (BvNzB)
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Mr. No, there is no one more illegitimate than you, with your mother being a whore and all....
Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 15, 2019 11:47 AM (vg8iE)
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>>>By the way, was I stupid to walk from center city to 11th and Tasker...and then back, for dinner?
Surprisingly, no. It's a decent neighborhood, considering. If you walked from Center City to Temple University? Yeah, not smart.
Surprisingly, no. It's a decent neighborhood, considering. If you walked from Center City to Temple University? Yeah, not smart.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 11:47 AM (bkUtD)
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Did the Queen really say that?
If so good for her. Hopefully she locked Chuck and his wife in the Tower while at it.
If so good for her. Hopefully she locked Chuck and his wife in the Tower while at it.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 15, 2019 11:47 AM (J/VKP)
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I watched a shooting competition that featured individuals from the special forces in every branch of the military. They also included what they kept calling a "SWAT Cop."
The SWAT Cop beat them all. I am not saying the outcome would be the norm in every instance, but it really stood out how amped up and well-trained the SWAT guy was.
My point: the SWAT guys appear to be just as intense and dialed in as a specialized military squad. If they get the green light on your home or property, I don't think it ever end well for the citizen.
The SWAT Cop beat them all. I am not saying the outcome would be the norm in every instance, but it really stood out how amped up and well-trained the SWAT guy was.
My point: the SWAT guys appear to be just as intense and dialed in as a specialized military squad. If they get the green light on your home or property, I don't think it ever end well for the citizen.
Posted by: DC at October 15, 2019 11:47 AM (/TvO8)
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A city councilperson on Burlington V propose that a week or so ago.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 11:43 AM (bkUtD)
ever been to Burlington ?
they could Cat D9 the whole mess into Lake Champlain and It would be OK with me
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 11:43 AM (bkUtD)
ever been to Burlington ?
they could Cat D9 the whole mess into Lake Champlain and It would be OK with me
Posted by: REDACTED at October 15, 2019 11:47 AM (AQBtr)
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And just when you think things couldn't get any stupider, No happens along.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 15, 2019 11:47 AM (RD7QR)
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You got something against Pakastani Doctors?
Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 15, 2019 11:32 AM (flINI)
Not as much as I do against those pakastini scum who call me as if they work for mastercard visa and are going to save me a ton of money. But for some reason they always seem to hang up on me when I ask them who gives a better blow job, their mother or their sisters? Go figure
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2019 11:35 AM (cEsBM)
you should tell them you're suicidal and know how to drive a stick shift. see if they get excited or not...
Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 15, 2019 11:32 AM (flINI)
Not as much as I do against those pakastini scum who call me as if they work for mastercard visa and are going to save me a ton of money. But for some reason they always seem to hang up on me when I ask them who gives a better blow job, their mother or their sisters? Go figure
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2019 11:35 AM (cEsBM)
you should tell them you're suicidal and know how to drive a stick shift. see if they get excited or not...
Posted by: SturmToddler at October 15, 2019 11:47 AM (8D42x)
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CBD, the same thing happened in Ft Worth about 3 years ago. 68 year old man awakened in the middle of the night with police cars, lights flashing around his house. He gets his pistol, goes to his garage to see what's going on, opens his garage door, 2 rookie cops see him and shoot him dead.
Because he was white, there was no huge national outcry, and nothing happened to the cops.
There is no excuse for a cop to shoot someone in their own home, shoot their dog, etc. Disgraceful.
Because he was white, there was no huge national outcry, and nothing happened to the cops.
There is no excuse for a cop to shoot someone in their own home, shoot their dog, etc. Disgraceful.
Posted by: Happydude at October 15, 2019 11:48 AM (F+55o)
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There are reports coming from the UK that a Brexit deal is near
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2019 11:48 AM (cEsBM)
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146 The female cop who shot the guy in the wrong apartment reminded me quite a bit of Israel trying to explain why they sunk the USS Liberty.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at October 15, 2019 11:38 AM (N4xQB)
very few people even remember this story anymore - but probably enough years have passed for everyone to admit the truth, at least privately. Secrecy was absolutely essential on the first morning of the 6 day war - any early warning to the Egyptian Air Force and the attack would turn to disaster, and the war would be lost.
The US had betrayed both Israel and the UK in the 1957 crisis, and our CIA had very strong ties to the Arab world. No responsible commander could have trusted the Liberty not to betray the incoming attack - it's ability to transmit had to be taken out. So yes, it was a deliberate attack - and yes, we deserved it. There's the truth of the thing. Everything that's been said since is just blah blah blah because it's a very uncomfortable topic for both sides.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at October 15, 2019 11:38 AM (N4xQB)
very few people even remember this story anymore - but probably enough years have passed for everyone to admit the truth, at least privately. Secrecy was absolutely essential on the first morning of the 6 day war - any early warning to the Egyptian Air Force and the attack would turn to disaster, and the war would be lost.
The US had betrayed both Israel and the UK in the 1957 crisis, and our CIA had very strong ties to the Arab world. No responsible commander could have trusted the Liberty not to betray the incoming attack - it's ability to transmit had to be taken out. So yes, it was a deliberate attack - and yes, we deserved it. There's the truth of the thing. Everything that's been said since is just blah blah blah because it's a very uncomfortable topic for both sides.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2019 11:48 AM (Kpl3J)
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Of course now that COMMAND CENTER!! is needed at public events like the
4th of July, Memorial day, Car shows, anytime the public gathers.
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A reasonable use. Likewise, it is better if you have the luxury of marching your defense forces in parades [*] rather than bleeding in trenches.
[*] The Pentagon should seek some foreign advice on parades. They do not know what the hell they are doing.
4th of July, Memorial day, Car shows, anytime the public gathers.
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A reasonable use. Likewise, it is better if you have the luxury of marching your defense forces in parades [*] rather than bleeding in trenches.
[*] The Pentagon should seek some foreign advice on parades. They do not know what the hell they are doing.
Posted by: Undocumented at October 15, 2019 11:48 AM (5NMZN)
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Yeah, like I always tell people, don't come to me with shit you read in the NYT.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 15, 2019 11:48 AM (xfb67)
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I think all cops should be armed with double action revolvers with heavy triggers.
And I say this as a gun guy. Just too easy to spray and pray with a light trigger striker fire or 1911.
And I say this as a gun guy. Just too easy to spray and pray with a light trigger striker fire or 1911.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at October 15, 2019 11:48 AM (koNhm)
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>>>they could Cat D9 the whole mess into Lake Champlain and It would be OK with me
My great aunt lived there. Great place to visit in the 80's. Now? not so much.
My great aunt lived there. Great place to visit in the 80's. Now? not so much.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 11:48 AM (bkUtD)
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Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at October 15, 2019 11:38 AM (N4xQB)
Fuck you
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2019 11:40 AM (cEsBM)
can i just second this. bigly
Fuck you
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2019 11:40 AM (cEsBM)
can i just second this. bigly
Posted by: SturmToddler at October 15, 2019 11:48 AM (8D42x)
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>>As to Bolton. I read the Moron Report comments. I'm always late being on the left coast. However if I understand this correctly, everyone is all fired up over a NEW YORK TIMES Propaganda hit piece? WTH?
So you're saying maybe wait a tick and hear from someone other than the NYT that is using leaks from Schiff?
I do find it amusing that the left is now embracing Bolton and endless wars.
So you're saying maybe wait a tick and hear from someone other than the NYT that is using leaks from Schiff?
I do find it amusing that the left is now embracing Bolton and endless wars.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 15, 2019 11:49 AM (ZLI7S)
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By the way, was I stupid to walk from center city to 11th and Tasker...and then back, for dinner?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2019 11:45 AM (wYseH)
Down 10th St.?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2019 11:45 AM (wYseH)
Down 10th St.?
Posted by: BignJames at October 15, 2019 11:49 AM (X/Pw5)
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95 You're being satirical here, but this is one of the only areas where I can see diversity being beneficial. You want the guy policing the neighborhood to know the neighborhood. You want him to live in the neighborhood he's policing. He's got to be a part of the group he's policing, not an outside party. Would cut down on the antagonism quite a bit if the police officer grew up knowing many of the people who live in the area he's patrolling.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 15, 2019 11:18 AM (KUaJL)
THIS!!
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 15, 2019 11:18 AM (KUaJL)
THIS!!
Posted by: Linn Ridge at October 15, 2019 11:50 AM (02Sla)
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@85
There are way too many variables to adequately answer the question given the information you presented.
The bottom line is this, the use of deadly force is justified if a person reasonably believes that an imminent use of deadly force is about to be used upon them or others.
Now this can be affected by all sorts of things like stand your ground laws, duty to retreat, castle doctrine, etc.
All I will say is, if you are a legal carry holder in NJ and you shoot someone be prepared to be put through the ringer and remember, it's better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.
There are way too many variables to adequately answer the question given the information you presented.
The bottom line is this, the use of deadly force is justified if a person reasonably believes that an imminent use of deadly force is about to be used upon them or others.
Now this can be affected by all sorts of things like stand your ground laws, duty to retreat, castle doctrine, etc.
All I will say is, if you are a legal carry holder in NJ and you shoot someone be prepared to be put through the ringer and remember, it's better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.
Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 15, 2019 11:50 AM (gaSfV)
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93 I don't entirely trust the police, but most officers are decent people. It's still true that the 700k +/- police officers in the US are the most law-abiding segment of society.
Nope. Concealed carry permit holders are.
Nope. Concealed carry permit holders are.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 15, 2019 11:50 AM (NWiLs)
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It's a decent neighborhood, considering.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 11:47 AM (bkUtD)
It looked dicey for a block or so, but the meal at "Fond" was worth it!
Thanks....
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 11:47 AM (bkUtD)
It looked dicey for a block or so, but the meal at "Fond" was worth it!
Thanks....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2019 11:50 AM (wYseH)
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There are reports coming from the UK that a Brexit deal is near
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2019 11:48 AM
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The Queen told Parliament to get it done. GP has the video.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2019 11:48 AM
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The Queen told Parliament to get it done. GP has the video.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 15, 2019 11:51 AM (JUOKG)
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Be the first one on your block!
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Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 15, 2019 11:51 AM (+y/Ru)
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They tried making police officers live in the area they police in many cities. You just end up with no police in the shitholes.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 15, 2019 11:51 AM (xfb67)
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i'm gonna sit this one out.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at October 15, 2019 11:51 AM (KP5rU)
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>>>It looked dicey for a block or so, but the meal at "Fond" was worth it!
Thanks....
Certainly. The trick in Center City and points south is stay east of Broad Street.
Thanks....
Certainly. The trick in Center City and points south is stay east of Broad Street.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 11:51 AM (bkUtD)
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if you are a legal carry holder in NJ
Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 15, 2019 11:50 AM (gaSfV)
Except it is impossible to get a carry permit in NJ.
Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 15, 2019 11:50 AM (gaSfV)
Except it is impossible to get a carry permit in NJ.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2019 11:51 AM (wYseH)
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Remember the idiot narc in Houston responsible for the murder of a couple in their 50s ?
Posted by: Awkward davies at October 15, 2019 11:52 AM (0iV2X)
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Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2019 11:48 AM (Kpl3J)
That's the first lucid explanation I've heard of the whole fucking thing.
That's the first lucid explanation I've heard of the whole fucking thing.
Posted by: Captain Hate at October 15, 2019 11:52 AM (y7DUB)
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I knew this was going to happen as soon as I saw USS Liberty.
Accidents in war happen. Recall the wedding party that got blown up by US air power?
Accidents in war happen. Recall the wedding party that got blown up by US air power?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 15, 2019 11:52 AM (J/VKP)
Posted by: QEII at October 15, 2019 11:53 AM (xSo9G)
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very few people even remember this story anymore -
but probably enough years have passed for everyone to admit the truth,
at least privately. Secrecy was absolutely essential on the first
morning of the 6 day war - any early warning to the Egyptian Air Force
and the attack would turn to disaster, and the war would be lost.
The US had betrayed both Israel and the UK in the 1957 crisis, and
our CIA had very strong ties to the Arab world. No responsible
commander could have trusted the Liberty not to betray the incoming
attack - it's ability to transmit had to be taken out. So yes, it was a
deliberate attack - and yes, we deserved it. There's the truth of
the thing. Everything that's been said since is just blah blah blah
because it's a very uncomfortable topic for both sides.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2019 11:48 AM (Kpl3J)
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The initial Israeli attack on Egypt was on June 5. The Liberty was attacked on June 8.
but probably enough years have passed for everyone to admit the truth,
at least privately. Secrecy was absolutely essential on the first
morning of the 6 day war - any early warning to the Egyptian Air Force
and the attack would turn to disaster, and the war would be lost.
The US had betrayed both Israel and the UK in the 1957 crisis, and
our CIA had very strong ties to the Arab world. No responsible
commander could have trusted the Liberty not to betray the incoming
attack - it's ability to transmit had to be taken out. So yes, it was a
deliberate attack - and yes, we deserved it. There's the truth of
the thing. Everything that's been said since is just blah blah blah
because it's a very uncomfortable topic for both sides.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2019 11:48 AM (Kpl3J)
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The initial Israeli attack on Egypt was on June 5. The Liberty was attacked on June 8.
Posted by: Undocumented at October 15, 2019 11:53 AM (5NMZN)
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@187
Maxim:
Never Trust Draft Dodgers.
Ancillary:
Never trust Draft Dodgers that turn into war mongers.
Errata:
"I confess I had no desire to die in a Southeast Asian rice paddy... I considered the war in Vietnam already lost."
--John Bolton, 1995, Excerpt From, Surrender is Not an Option.
Maxim:
Never Trust Draft Dodgers.
Ancillary:
Never trust Draft Dodgers that turn into war mongers.
Errata:
"I confess I had no desire to die in a Southeast Asian rice paddy... I considered the war in Vietnam already lost."
--John Bolton, 1995, Excerpt From, Surrender is Not an Option.
Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 15, 2019 11:53 AM (gaSfV)
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When in the military; many liberals bashed us. But after becoming a cop; had liberals, moderates and conservatives bashing us. It's nice to be retired from both now.
Crime is going back up in many parts of the country, but at least they have a weaker police department.
Crime is going back up in many parts of the country, but at least they have a weaker police department.
Posted by: YatYas at October 15, 2019 11:53 AM (xN9Un)
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Also on Bolton , even if he did refer the issue to NSA counsel , that's what he is supposed to do if he believes something may not be within the legal framework of foreign contact.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 15, 2019 11:53 AM (zdltJ)
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I think all cops should be armed with double action revolvers with heavy triggers.
And I say this as a gun guy. Just too easy to spray and pray with a light trigger striker fire or 1911.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at October 15, 2019 11:48 AM
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NYC has mandated that Cops pistols have a trigger pull weight of at least 12 pounds. That's why they are always shooting innocent bystanders.
And NY wants to make that mandatory for every gun sold in the State.
I think all cops should be armed with double action revolvers with heavy triggers.
And I say this as a gun guy. Just too easy to spray and pray with a light trigger striker fire or 1911.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at October 15, 2019 11:48 AM
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NYC has mandated that Cops pistols have a trigger pull weight of at least 12 pounds. That's why they are always shooting innocent bystanders.
And NY wants to make that mandatory for every gun sold in the State.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 15, 2019 11:54 AM (JUOKG)
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I guess it goes without saying that the federal cops are just as bad, but I had to say it anyway.
I guess it goes without saying that the federal cops are just as bad, but I had to say it anyway.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 15, 2019 11:54 AM (r+sAi)
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge at October 15, 2019 11:54 AM (Zz0t1)
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"Or that he told Ms. Drama queen that if she's so
upset over it, she should just sashay over to the State Dept lawyers and
tell them her "concerns"? Please note that right after she went to
them, she quit, probably because they told her to LOLGF!"Posted by: Boswell
that seems feasible. And Ukraine did get the money, Trump wanted to push Europe to fund it, and he is right. But Bolton should be on the side of Trump as far as stopping the leftist grifters goes. Instead he seems more intent on going public about his disagreement with Trump's tactics, seemingly fine with the corruption of all the bribery for Dems. (plus Bolton is more on the side of US being the world policeman, it seems)
upset over it, she should just sashay over to the State Dept lawyers and
tell them her "concerns"? Please note that right after she went to
them, she quit, probably because they told her to LOLGF!"Posted by: Boswell
that seems feasible. And Ukraine did get the money, Trump wanted to push Europe to fund it, and he is right. But Bolton should be on the side of Trump as far as stopping the leftist grifters goes. Instead he seems more intent on going public about his disagreement with Trump's tactics, seemingly fine with the corruption of all the bribery for Dems. (plus Bolton is more on the side of US being the world policeman, it seems)
Posted by: illiniwek at October 15, 2019 11:54 AM (Cus5s)
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It's Philly. Believe me, there is no guarantee. They've been talking about dumping pensions for the last ten years. I can't retire yet, so every day I wonder if this is the day.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 11:42 AM (bkUtD)
shit Wyatt, stay safe sir.
and look at finding a nice, relaxing place to transfer that retirement too.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 11:42 AM (bkUtD)
shit Wyatt, stay safe sir.
and look at finding a nice, relaxing place to transfer that retirement too.
Posted by: SturmToddler at October 15, 2019 11:55 AM (8D42x)
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It's still true that the 700k +/- police officers in the US are the most law-abiding segment of society.
Nope. Concealed carry permit holders are.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 15, 2019 11:50 AM (NWiLs)
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Define "law abiding". My husband always carries concealed, regardless of "Gun Free Zone" designations. We both know he could lose his job(s) doing so, but feel it is the moral choice.
Nope. Concealed carry permit holders are.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 15, 2019 11:50 AM (NWiLs)
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Define "law abiding". My husband always carries concealed, regardless of "Gun Free Zone" designations. We both know he could lose his job(s) doing so, but feel it is the moral choice.
Posted by: Linn Ridge at October 15, 2019 11:56 AM (02Sla)
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Wow that touched a nerve. The attack on the Liberty may well have been accidental, but the Israelis should have known it was an American ship, just as the cop lady should have known she was in the wrong apartment. Both were very negligent mistakes.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at October 15, 2019 11:56 AM (N4xQB)
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Remember any and all NYT "articles/reporting will be
proved to be lies. Nothing but lies covering up for donks and screwing
with republicans. I'd keep that in mind with rhetoric. Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at October 15, 2019 11:46 AM (pw+jk)
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Thanks for pointing this out. This am I'm going WTH?
I think it is important for the public to see what their tax money is spent on in the local parades, etc. If the locals do not like the 'DARE Lamborghini' (how the heck do so many little jurisdictions have one?) they can make it clear that seizures are not a good idea overall. Have not seen ours paraded in quite a while.
We spent some $$$ on amphibious rescue stuff -- lotsa small rivers and lakes (and swamps), so I think that was a good buy. Also spent on a taller ladder truck because we now have taller buildings and can also loan it out if necessary. Again, taxpayer here says a good buy.
proved to be lies. Nothing but lies covering up for donks and screwing
with republicans. I'd keep that in mind with rhetoric. Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at October 15, 2019 11:46 AM (pw+jk)
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Thanks for pointing this out. This am I'm going WTH?
I think it is important for the public to see what their tax money is spent on in the local parades, etc. If the locals do not like the 'DARE Lamborghini' (how the heck do so many little jurisdictions have one?) they can make it clear that seizures are not a good idea overall. Have not seen ours paraded in quite a while.
We spent some $$$ on amphibious rescue stuff -- lotsa small rivers and lakes (and swamps), so I think that was a good buy. Also spent on a taller ladder truck because we now have taller buildings and can also loan it out if necessary. Again, taxpayer here says a good buy.
Posted by: mustbequantum at October 15, 2019 11:56 AM (MIKMs)
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I'm not trying to be cute about this. But I'm not a large fella and I like by body parts where they are and intact. I'm not tussling with no one if I've got a choice. The idea that a 100-pound retard can't hurt you is, well, optimistic.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 15, 2019 11:45 AM (ppBhU)
if some 100 pound midget comes after me and I'm not caught by surprise, they won't last 15 seconds. Don't even have to strike them - if they lead with their fist, grab it with both hands, pull and spin, and that shoulder pops out of its socket right off. The end.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 15, 2019 11:45 AM (ppBhU)
if some 100 pound midget comes after me and I'm not caught by surprise, they won't last 15 seconds. Don't even have to strike them - if they lead with their fist, grab it with both hands, pull and spin, and that shoulder pops out of its socket right off. The end.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2019 11:56 AM (Kpl3J)
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>>>shit Wyatt, stay safe sir.
and look at finding a nice, relaxing place to transfer that retirement too.
At this point it's Texas or Arizona. I heard Alabama is also nice. I want to be somewhere where I never have to hear about the Eagles ever again.
and look at finding a nice, relaxing place to transfer that retirement too.
At this point it's Texas or Arizona. I heard Alabama is also nice. I want to be somewhere where I never have to hear about the Eagles ever again.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 11:56 AM (bkUtD)
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The Queen told Parliament to get it done. GP has the video.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 15, 2019 11:51 AM (JUOKG)
No I mean this:
U.K. and European Union negotiators are closing in on a draft Brexit deal amid optimism there could be a breakthrough before the end of Tuesday, two EU officials said.
They cautioned talks havent yet finished, and there could be problems hitting the midnight deadline. But there are clear signs that a legal text is close to being ready.
The aim would be to present the draft to national delegations on Wednesday morning, an EU diplomat said. The pound surged, climbing as much as 1.2% to $1.2756, the highest level in nearly four months.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 15, 2019 11:51 AM (JUOKG)
No I mean this:
U.K. and European Union negotiators are closing in on a draft Brexit deal amid optimism there could be a breakthrough before the end of Tuesday, two EU officials said.
They cautioned talks havent yet finished, and there could be problems hitting the midnight deadline. But there are clear signs that a legal text is close to being ready.
The aim would be to present the draft to national delegations on Wednesday morning, an EU diplomat said. The pound surged, climbing as much as 1.2% to $1.2756, the highest level in nearly four months.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2019 11:57 AM (cEsBM)
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Just do away with Qualified Immunity. Rouge cops would become rare.
Posted by: CSMBigBird at October 15, 2019 11:57 AM (jsWA8)
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Down 10th St.?
Posted by: BignJames at October 15, 2019 11:49 AM (X/Pw5)
No. We started around 5th, and headed down Passyunk St. for most of the way.
Posted by: BignJames at October 15, 2019 11:49 AM (X/Pw5)
No. We started around 5th, and headed down Passyunk St. for most of the way.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2019 11:57 AM (wYseH)
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Biggs it is a NERVE because the Jew-haters have used it as a cudgel to try and split apart the US and Israel.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 15, 2019 11:57 AM (J/VKP)
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"NYC has mandated that Cops pistols have a trigger pull weight of at least 12 pounds. That's why they are always shooting innocent bystanders.
And NY wants to make that mandatory for every gun sold in the State."
I would in no way endorse that statewide. But I have to say that its probably the crappy quality of the trigger and piss poor training that would contribute to accidental shootings with a heavy trigger. A decent revolver with a heavy trigger pull is still an effecctive, though relatively inherently safe weapon. I don't know what kind of Frankentrigger they're putting on their polymer wonders so maybe the combination is leading to unintended consequences.
And NY wants to make that mandatory for every gun sold in the State."
I would in no way endorse that statewide. But I have to say that its probably the crappy quality of the trigger and piss poor training that would contribute to accidental shootings with a heavy trigger. A decent revolver with a heavy trigger pull is still an effecctive, though relatively inherently safe weapon. I don't know what kind of Frankentrigger they're putting on their polymer wonders so maybe the combination is leading to unintended consequences.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at October 15, 2019 11:58 AM (koNhm)
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Be the first one on your block!
Bolshevik Barbie? Kickstarter project is raising money for an Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez action figure
https://bit.ly/2OLjvNU
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 15, 2019 11:51 AM (+y/Ru)
let me guess, they're going to skip the part where it mixes shitty drinks and takes it's top off for money?
Bolshevik Barbie? Kickstarter project is raising money for an Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez action figure
https://bit.ly/2OLjvNU
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 15, 2019 11:51 AM (+y/Ru)
let me guess, they're going to skip the part where it mixes shitty drinks and takes it's top off for money?
Posted by: SturmToddler at October 15, 2019 11:59 AM (8D42x)
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"Just do away with Qualified Immunity. Rouge cops would become rare."
I kind of like rouge cops.
I kind of like rouge cops.
Posted by: Shep at October 15, 2019 11:59 AM (koNhm)
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I once had an issue with a chicken bleep parking ticket.
It irked me, so I sought to complain.
At the police station I was told the officer's shift was over and I would have to come back later.
I told them I would take it up with city hall.
When I got there, I was directed to the paid city manager (a former cop in another town). He hemmed and hawed. I pressed him on the subject and he used the example of Ferguson to bolster the righteousness of the police mission.
I asked him if he had read the DOJ report which cited the anger of the citizens of Ferguson at the police over chicken bleep tickets??
I made enough of a stink (and threatened to use a high powered attorney friend of mine to sue the city) that the the mayor got involved and he ended sending out a letter of apology and refunds to those people who may have been ticketed by this sworn officer for tiny infractions (a side effect of "broken windows policing").
I asked a meter maid from the parking division if she would have written my ticket and she said "No". The person who wrote the ticket was a sworn peace officer, with a gun and a badge. And he probably thought he was doing a good thing implemented the broken windows policy.
It irked me, so I sought to complain.
At the police station I was told the officer's shift was over and I would have to come back later.
I told them I would take it up with city hall.
When I got there, I was directed to the paid city manager (a former cop in another town). He hemmed and hawed. I pressed him on the subject and he used the example of Ferguson to bolster the righteousness of the police mission.
I asked him if he had read the DOJ report which cited the anger of the citizens of Ferguson at the police over chicken bleep tickets??
I made enough of a stink (and threatened to use a high powered attorney friend of mine to sue the city) that the the mayor got involved and he ended sending out a letter of apology and refunds to those people who may have been ticketed by this sworn officer for tiny infractions (a side effect of "broken windows policing").
I asked a meter maid from the parking division if she would have written my ticket and she said "No". The person who wrote the ticket was a sworn peace officer, with a gun and a badge. And he probably thought he was doing a good thing implemented the broken windows policy.
Posted by: MachiasPrivateer at October 15, 2019 11:59 AM (EMi53)
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I do find it amusing that the left is now embracing Bolton and endless wars.
Posted by: JackStraw
Yup - Allahpundit has been jerking off to the thought that Bolton will save the Lefty impeachment effort - not likely.
Bolton and Trump were never destined to get along since the idea of having a "muscular" presence in the ME and Eastern Europe was going to necessarily tie the US up in conflicts, something Trump would never do - so Bolton pitched a fit and got shit-canned. He's a one note Neocon knucklehead - but he's no Whistleblowing conspiracy knucklehead - he probably told these shit for brains diplomats to not involve him when they whined to him in July about this, but they needed his name to advance the ball - so now he's sucked in.
Posted by: JackStraw
Yup - Allahpundit has been jerking off to the thought that Bolton will save the Lefty impeachment effort - not likely.
Bolton and Trump were never destined to get along since the idea of having a "muscular" presence in the ME and Eastern Europe was going to necessarily tie the US up in conflicts, something Trump would never do - so Bolton pitched a fit and got shit-canned. He's a one note Neocon knucklehead - but he's no Whistleblowing conspiracy knucklehead - he probably told these shit for brains diplomats to not involve him when they whined to him in July about this, but they needed his name to advance the ball - so now he's sucked in.
Posted by: Boswell at October 15, 2019 11:59 AM (32YRo)
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We both know he could lose his job(s) doing so, but feel it is the moral choice.
Posted by: Linn Ridge at October 15, 2019 11:56 AM (02Sla)
Morality trumps the law.
Posted by: Linn Ridge at October 15, 2019 11:56 AM (02Sla)
Morality trumps the law.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2019 11:59 AM (wYseH)
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"I confess I had no desire to die in a Southeast Asian rice paddy... I considered the war in Vietnam already lost."
--John Bolton, 1995, Excerpt From, Surrender is Not an Option.
That quote is hilarious when juxtaposed with the book's title.
--John Bolton, 1995, Excerpt From, Surrender is Not an Option.
That quote is hilarious when juxtaposed with the book's title.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at October 15, 2019 11:59 AM (I99aF)
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CBD is minutes away from posting a "fuck the police" music video.
Posted by: Sponge at October 15, 2019 11:59 AM (Zz0t1)
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if some 100 pound midget comes after me and I'm not
caught by surprise, they won't last 15 seconds. Don't even have to
strike them - if they lead with their fist, grab it with both hands,
pull and spin, and that shoulder pops out of its socket right off. The
end.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2019 11:56 AM
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Now try that one with somebody that weighs 100 pounds but they are hyped up on crack.
I knew a guy who worked in the State mental hospital when they had one. He has scars and joint/back issues to this day from those violent little people.
caught by surprise, they won't last 15 seconds. Don't even have to
strike them - if they lead with their fist, grab it with both hands,
pull and spin, and that shoulder pops out of its socket right off. The
end.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2019 11:56 AM
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Now try that one with somebody that weighs 100 pounds but they are hyped up on crack.
I knew a guy who worked in the State mental hospital when they had one. He has scars and joint/back issues to this day from those violent little people.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 15, 2019 11:59 AM (JUOKG)
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236 >>>shit Wyatt, stay safe sir.
and look at finding a nice, relaxing place to transfer that retirement too.
At this point it's Texas or Arizona. I heard Alabama is also nice. I want to be somewhere where I never have to hear about the Eagles ever again.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 11:56 AM (bkUtD)
[Grabs crotch] Da Iggles! Yeaaaaah! Fly Iggles fly! [swills beer]
and look at finding a nice, relaxing place to transfer that retirement too.
At this point it's Texas or Arizona. I heard Alabama is also nice. I want to be somewhere where I never have to hear about the Eagles ever again.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 11:56 AM (bkUtD)
[Grabs crotch] Da Iggles! Yeaaaaah! Fly Iggles fly! [swills beer]
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 15, 2019 11:59 AM (RD7QR)
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The Ft Worth cop needs to be charged with manslaughter.
Murder, I believe requires intention.
Not the case here from what I've read.
But, manslaughter...definitely.
Murder, I believe requires intention.
Not the case here from what I've read.
But, manslaughter...definitely.
Posted by: naturalfake at October 15, 2019 12:00 PM (XCfh1)
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@225, being a police officer right now has to be difficult, but no one is drafted; it is a chosen vocation.
I would not choose it in our country today.
I would not choose it in our country today.
Posted by: DC at October 15, 2019 12:00 PM (/TvO8)
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Fuck you
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2019 11:40 AM (cEsBM)
can i just second this. bigly
Posted by: SturmToddler at October 15, 2019 11:48 AM (8D42x)
Thank you for your insightful contributions
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 15, 2019 11:40 AM (cEsBM)
can i just second this. bigly
Posted by: SturmToddler at October 15, 2019 11:48 AM (8D42x)
Thank you for your insightful contributions
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at October 15, 2019 12:01 PM (N4xQB)
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Morality trumps the law.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2019 11:59 AM (wYseH)
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Always.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2019 11:59 AM (wYseH)
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Always.
Posted by: Linn Ridge at October 15, 2019 12:01 PM (02Sla)
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>>>[Grabs crotch] Da Iggles! Yeaaaaah! Fly Iggles fly! [swills beer]
My son is a freshman in college outside Dallas. Amazingly, no one beats people up for wearing the wrong jersey there. (Kyle's a Rams fan.)
My son is a freshman in college outside Dallas. Amazingly, no one beats people up for wearing the wrong jersey there. (Kyle's a Rams fan.)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 12:01 PM (bkUtD)
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Ha. Story on FBN about Walmart
selling a service whereby they come into your house and put your
stuff into your refrigerator.
Fifty bucks for a special access lock
to your home and twenty bucks a month for them to pop in with the
goodies.
Ummm yeah, no.
Insane....smfh......
Ha. Story on FBN about Walmart
selling a service whereby they come into your house and put your
stuff into your refrigerator.
Fifty bucks for a special access lock
to your home and twenty bucks a month for them to pop in with the
goodies.
Ummm yeah, no.
Insane....smfh......
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 15, 2019 12:01 PM (ufFY8)
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I'd also shoot Tom Servo's retarded girl.
I'm not trying to be cute about this. But I'm not a large fella and I like by body parts where they are and intact. I'm not tussling with no one if I've got a choice. The idea that a 100-pound retard can't hurt you is, well, optimistic.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls
Crazy people can be scary strong.
I'm not trying to be cute about this. But I'm not a large fella and I like by body parts where they are and intact. I'm not tussling with no one if I've got a choice. The idea that a 100-pound retard can't hurt you is, well, optimistic.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls
Crazy people can be scary strong.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2019 12:01 PM (Qq3ZN)
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CBD is minutes away from posting a "fuck the police" music video.
Posted by: Sponge at October 15, 2019 11:59 AM (Zz0t1)
Sigh...
Posted by: Sponge at October 15, 2019 11:59 AM (Zz0t1)
Sigh...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2019 12:02 PM (wYseH)
259
In the mid eighties I was the supervisor for the applicant processing unit in a large metropolitan police department. Despite push back from the police union, the public and individual officers the city lowered standards of drug use and some misdemeanor arrests. Due to this fact there were applicants who were hired who would not have been hired under previous standards. I subsequently became supervisor of the cadet training unit and saw first hand the substandard hires who could not meet training standards in classroom testing, physical training or driving testing. The department hierarchy and city hall attempted to keep these substandard trainees in the system time after time. In subsequent years I saw the havoc these types of hires caused to the public and the department. If this type of hiring was going on in the eighties just think how much is going on currently. I see newspaper articles every week about law enforcement officers being arrested for numerous crimes. I believe hiring practices and lowered standards are the main culprits in these types of cases.
Posted by: Old Retired Cop at October 15, 2019 12:02 PM (cTuj5)
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221
I knew this was going to happen as soon as I saw USS Liberty.
Accidents in war happen. Recall the wedding party that got blown up by US air power?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 15, 2019 11:52 AM (J/VKP)
The groom dodged that grenade.
I knew this was going to happen as soon as I saw USS Liberty.
Accidents in war happen. Recall the wedding party that got blown up by US air power?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 15, 2019 11:52 AM (J/VKP)
The groom dodged that grenade.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at October 15, 2019 12:02 PM (jYnPD)
261
The Ft Worth cop needs to be charged with manslaughter.
Murder, I believe requires intention.
Not the case here from what I've read.
But, manslaughter...definitely.
Posted by: naturalfake at October 15, 2019 12:00 PM (XCfh1)
As we learned in the Amber Guyger trial, all he needs to do is admit that he was shooting according his training and intended to kill his target being a threat and MURDER.
Murder, I believe requires intention.
Not the case here from what I've read.
But, manslaughter...definitely.
Posted by: naturalfake at October 15, 2019 12:00 PM (XCfh1)
As we learned in the Amber Guyger trial, all he needs to do is admit that he was shooting according his training and intended to kill his target being a threat and MURDER.
Posted by: Sponge at October 15, 2019 12:02 PM (Zz0t1)
262
Posted by: Boswell at October 15, 2019 11:59 AM (32YRo)
I agree... I don't think Bolton was a good for Team Trump (obviously). And I disagree with him and many other Republicans on certain foreign policy issues. But I don't think Bolton is a Deep State ratfucker. Could be wrong, but never got that vibe.
Posted by: Boswell at October 15, 2019 11:59 AM (32YRo)
I agree... I don't think Bolton was a good for Team Trump (obviously). And I disagree with him and many other Republicans on certain foreign policy issues. But I don't think Bolton is a Deep State ratfucker. Could be wrong, but never got that vibe.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 15, 2019 12:02 PM (AzW6q)
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CBD is minutes away from posting a "fuck the police" music video.
Posted by: Sponge at October 15, 2019 11:59 AM---
What?
Posted by: Sponge at October 15, 2019 11:59 AM---
What?
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 15, 2019 12:02 PM (JUOKG)
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Now try that one with somebody that weighs 100 pounds but they are hyped up on crack.
I knew a guy who worked in the State mental hospital when they had one. He has scars and joint/back issues to this day from those violent little people.
Posted by: Mr. Scott
PCP or "Bath Salts".
I knew a guy who worked in the State mental hospital when they had one. He has scars and joint/back issues to this day from those violent little people.
Posted by: Mr. Scott
PCP or "Bath Salts".
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2019 12:02 PM (Qq3ZN)
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Bad cops are bad, and cops shouldn't look like soldiers on patrol. But you have to put at least some of the blame for this on the BLM/Antifa/Cops are Pigs crowd. Look what's happening in NYC. Some places cops are put in really bad situations that make them fear for their lives, so of course you're going to see them armor up and get itchy trigger fingers in response. They have to defend themselves. They have no idea if somebody running up to their car window is a civilian or some lefty racist thug about to off them for "the cause."
Posted by: Agent Cooper at October 15, 2019 12:03 PM (iAwUQ)
Posted by: Sponge at October 15, 2019 12:03 PM (Zz0t1)
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Thank you for your insightful contributions
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at October 15, 2019 12:01 PM (N4xQB)
Thank you for your ignorant and inflammatory comment.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at October 15, 2019 12:01 PM (N4xQB)
Thank you for your ignorant and inflammatory comment.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2019 12:03 PM (wYseH)
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Actually the Wally Word delivery person is not a Wally World hire. Sub-contractor.
So no, no way in heck.
So no, no way in heck.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 15, 2019 12:03 PM (J/VKP)
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>>>Crazy people can be scary strong.
Years ago, a guy on PCP tried to take my partner's gun. Had it almost out of the holster when I broke my nightstick across his chest. Thought I killed him. He smiled at me, and sat down.
Only time in 25 years I had to hit someone.
Years ago, a guy on PCP tried to take my partner's gun. Had it almost out of the holster when I broke my nightstick across his chest. Thought I killed him. He smiled at me, and sat down.
Only time in 25 years I had to hit someone.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 12:03 PM (bkUtD)
Posted by: Wut at October 15, 2019 12:03 PM (OP2H/)
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It's not like Bolton and his positions were an unknown quantity. I don't understand why Trump hired him if he was diametrically opposed to Bolton's well known positions and philosophy.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 15, 2019 12:03 PM (zdltJ)
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I was supposed to have a phone interview with another company at 11:30.
I sit in my isolated spot for over ten minutes. Give up. Go for a walk. Look at my phone and see they tried at 11:45 and sent me an email asking to connect later in the afternoon.
ugh...
I'm just trying to use them to up my salary here. I'm beginning to think this outfit isn't worth the trouble.
I sit in my isolated spot for over ten minutes. Give up. Go for a walk. Look at my phone and see they tried at 11:45 and sent me an email asking to connect later in the afternoon.
ugh...
I'm just trying to use them to up my salary here. I'm beginning to think this outfit isn't worth the trouble.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, with that Kubrick look towards the camera at October 15, 2019 12:03 PM (q80AH)
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254: morality trumps law is the argument used by open borders zealots, people who assist illegals in their pursuit of jobs, benefits, and ballots. If you don't think the law is moral. work to change it.
Posted by: CN at October 15, 2019 12:04 PM (U7k5w)
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There are so many things wrong with law enforcement now it is hard to know where to begin.
However, the militarization, by which I mean cops dressing and acting like the military in their day-to-day activities not their ownership of military gear for certain situations, is a huge problem.
When patrol officers are wearing tactical gear their mind is in the wrong place.
However, the militarization, by which I mean cops dressing and acting like the military in their day-to-day activities not their ownership of military gear for certain situations, is a huge problem.
When patrol officers are wearing tactical gear their mind is in the wrong place.
Posted by: not so at October 15, 2019 12:04 PM (HALdu)
Posted by: It's me donna at October 15, 2019 12:04 PM (O2RFr)
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235 I'm not trying to be cute about this. But I'm not a large fella and I like by body parts where they are and intact. I'm not tussling with no one if I've got a choice. The idea that a 100-pound retard can't hurt you is, well, optimistic.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 15, 2019 11:45 AM (ppBhU)
if some 100 pound midget comes after me and I'm not caught by surprise, they won't last 15 seconds. Don't even have to strike them - if they lead with their fist, grab it with both hands, pull and spin, and that shoulder pops out of its socket right off. The end.
This sounds right in theory, but isn't necessarily so in the reality. There are so many variables. You can lose your footing and thus give them an opening or they can slip past you because they are wiry and/or unafraid of being hurt. The human body can be remarkably fragile. It's easy to lose an eye. An odd fall and a bump on the head can cause problems. Bite wounds don't always heal so well. You think they're unarmed and only notice that small point thing at the last moment, too late.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 15, 2019 11:45 AM (ppBhU)
if some 100 pound midget comes after me and I'm not caught by surprise, they won't last 15 seconds. Don't even have to strike them - if they lead with their fist, grab it with both hands, pull and spin, and that shoulder pops out of its socket right off. The end.
This sounds right in theory, but isn't necessarily so in the reality. There are so many variables. You can lose your footing and thus give them an opening or they can slip past you because they are wiry and/or unafraid of being hurt. The human body can be remarkably fragile. It's easy to lose an eye. An odd fall and a bump on the head can cause problems. Bite wounds don't always heal so well. You think they're unarmed and only notice that small point thing at the last moment, too late.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 15, 2019 12:04 PM (ppBhU)
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just need to know why the fort worth (ex) officer went into a "welfare check" situation with the shoot first, ask questions later mentality. Or was he guilty of a glock misfire, resting finger on the trigger and not expecting it to fire. the worst, he was in the back yard and had not announced "police" WTF
Posted by: 2nd hand whistleblower at October 15, 2019 12:04 PM (0hOKG)
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Tom Servo - Your account of the Liberty incident is so wrong I wonder where the hell you could have come up with such a story!
https://tinyurl.com/yyua6g7v
https://tinyurl.com/yyua6g7v
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 15, 2019 12:04 PM (so+oy)
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The former ambassador resigned before the call.
Bolton discussed the classified call with her?
Posted by: Wut at October 15, 2019 12:03 PM (OP2H/)
No. It was prior discussions / meetings involving Rudy and Ukrainian contacts.
Bolton discussed the classified call with her?
Posted by: Wut at October 15, 2019 12:03 PM (OP2H/)
No. It was prior discussions / meetings involving Rudy and Ukrainian contacts.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 15, 2019 12:05 PM (zdltJ)
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Wyatt,
If Arizona is your thing, avoid the southern half of the state. Stick to the mountains. The deserts of Arizona are growing FAR faster than the water supply, and that crisis is coming soon.
If Arizona is your thing, avoid the southern half of the state. Stick to the mountains. The deserts of Arizona are growing FAR faster than the water supply, and that crisis is coming soon.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at October 15, 2019 12:05 PM (I99aF)
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We must have a militarized police force and an army of drug addled Confidential Informants to stop people from harming themselves with drugs. If innocent people are physically harmed in some ill planned no knock raids its a small price to pay. Drugs are bad and so is the constitution when it gets in the way of a war, foreign or domestic.
Posted by: Tropical Lutefisk at October 15, 2019 12:05 PM (iRngN)
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No. It was prior discussions / meetings involving Rudy and Ukrainian contacts.
Bolton wasn't too fond of Rudy
Bolton wasn't too fond of Rudy
Posted by: It's me donna at October 15, 2019 12:05 PM (O2RFr)
Posted by: Antifa at October 15, 2019 12:06 PM (+y/Ru)
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I don't understand why Trump hired him if he was diametrically opposed to Bolton's well known positions and philosophy.
In business you hire people for their talents, not their opinions, and they get canned if their opinions interfere with their talents. Trump has operated the White House in very much that fashion. It's not usual for politics, but it's what he knows.
In business you hire people for their talents, not their opinions, and they get canned if their opinions interfere with their talents. Trump has operated the White House in very much that fashion. It's not usual for politics, but it's what he knows.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 15, 2019 12:06 PM (ZGrMX)
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Murder, I believe requires intention.
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I think you're confusing it for 1st degree premeditated murder. This situation fits 2nd-degree, and I think that'd be just. But it'll be a tough sell. Will likely end up as voluntary manslaughter, if I had to guess. That's not right, because it assumes provocation, and there was none here, but he's LE, and that's how it will likely shake out.
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I think you're confusing it for 1st degree premeditated murder. This situation fits 2nd-degree, and I think that'd be just. But it'll be a tough sell. Will likely end up as voluntary manslaughter, if I had to guess. That's not right, because it assumes provocation, and there was none here, but he's LE, and that's how it will likely shake out.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 15, 2019 12:06 PM (AzW6q)
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Few years back an overweight lady cop in the Carolinas shot a nerdy teen boy that had the bad luck to answer the door with his Xbox controller in his hands. Drt. Poor kid. No demonstrations for nerdy white kids though.
Posted by: Awkward davies at October 15, 2019 12:06 PM (0iV2X)
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Posted by: 2nd hand whistleblower at October 15, 2019 12:04 PM (0hOKG)
It was relayed as a possible burglary in process call .
It was relayed as a possible burglary in process call .
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 15, 2019 12:06 PM (zdltJ)
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I don't know what kind of Frankentrigger they're putting on their polymer wonders so maybe the combination is leading to unintended consequences.
Posted by: xnycpeasant
Squeeze any gun with a 12 lb trigger AND keep the barrel on target.
Good luck.
Posted by: xnycpeasant
Squeeze any gun with a 12 lb trigger AND keep the barrel on target.
Good luck.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2019 12:06 PM (Qq3ZN)
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>>>If Arizona is your thing, avoid the southern half of the state. Stick to the mountains. The deserts of Arizona are growing FAR faster than the water supply, and that crisis is coming soon.
Thanks. My best friend lives south of Tucson. He said the neighborhoods are sprouting up way too quickly. Texas is my first choice, but I really fear it'll eventually go blue.
Thanks. My best friend lives south of Tucson. He said the neighborhoods are sprouting up way too quickly. Texas is my first choice, but I really fear it'll eventually go blue.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 12:06 PM (bkUtD)
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215 They tried making police officers live in the area they police in many cities. You just end up with no police in the shitholes.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 15, 2019
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Back in the late '70s, Gnaw-luns tried that -- said if you wanted to be NOPD, you had to live in Orleans Parish. Decline in quality of officers ensued, as did a rash of NOPD cops having "official" residences, usually a family member's, in town, and their real home outside. Not sure if it's still an official policy.
I'm pretty sure the decline in police officer quality has not been reversed.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 15, 2019
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Back in the late '70s, Gnaw-luns tried that -- said if you wanted to be NOPD, you had to live in Orleans Parish. Decline in quality of officers ensued, as did a rash of NOPD cops having "official" residences, usually a family member's, in town, and their real home outside. Not sure if it's still an official policy.
I'm pretty sure the decline in police officer quality has not been reversed.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 15, 2019 12:06 PM (ClOmq)
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I think that Trump was interested in Bolton because he thought he would work with him against deep state.
I think that Bolton is against deep state, but he is more interested in screwing Iran and other things.
I think that Bolton is against deep state, but he is more interested in screwing Iran and other things.
Posted by: not so at October 15, 2019 12:06 PM (HALdu)
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Does anyone think that either of these two officers went to work thinking they would get to shoot someone, kill them, and then get away with it?
Does anyone here believe that in the seconds after firing their weapon that either officer was excitedly anticipating praise for it?
You make them out to be monsters. They are not. They are human beings that are put into situations where public pressure, events, and training come together to create a situation where they see every encounter as high risk. This is exactly the tactic that insurgents use to cause the dominant force to make missteps that leads to undermining the public good will.
The law enforcement's primary mistake is both not thinking like an occupying force but acting like one.
They need to reverse that.
Does anyone here believe that in the seconds after firing their weapon that either officer was excitedly anticipating praise for it?
You make them out to be monsters. They are not. They are human beings that are put into situations where public pressure, events, and training come together to create a situation where they see every encounter as high risk. This is exactly the tactic that insurgents use to cause the dominant force to make missteps that leads to undermining the public good will.
The law enforcement's primary mistake is both not thinking like an occupying force but acting like one.
They need to reverse that.
Posted by: TSgt Ciz at October 15, 2019 12:07 PM (P+Ru9)
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In the mid eighties I was the supervisor for the
applicant processing unit in a large metropolitan police department.
Despite push back from the police union, the public and individual
officers the city lowered standards of drug use and some misdemeanor
arrests. Due to this fact there were applicants who were hired who
would not have been hired under previous standards. I subsequently
became supervisor of the cadet training unit and saw first hand the
substandard hires who could not meet training standards in classroom
testing, physical training or driving testing. The department hierarchy
and city hall attempted to keep these substandard trainees in the
system time after time. In subsequent years I saw the havoc these types
of hires caused to the public and the department. If this type of
hiring was going on in the eighties just think how much is going on
currently. I see newspaper articles every week about law enforcement
officers being arrested for numerous crimes. I believe hiring practices
and lowered standards are the main culprits in these types of cases.
Posted by: Old Retired Cop at October 15, 2019 12:02 PM
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The same thing happened in the Navy. They started waving the little stuff and then progressed to waiving drug stuff back in the 80s.
Then they lowered ASVAB scores and started up a "remedial skills training" class at RTC. Got recruits up to 8th grade levels in math and reading. Then they let them go to boot camp. Some of those guys where there for 12+ weeks just to get them up to the lower standards before they started boot camp.
The quality of Recruits we sent to the Fleet went down and A school academic drop outs went up.
applicant processing unit in a large metropolitan police department.
Despite push back from the police union, the public and individual
officers the city lowered standards of drug use and some misdemeanor
arrests. Due to this fact there were applicants who were hired who
would not have been hired under previous standards. I subsequently
became supervisor of the cadet training unit and saw first hand the
substandard hires who could not meet training standards in classroom
testing, physical training or driving testing. The department hierarchy
and city hall attempted to keep these substandard trainees in the
system time after time. In subsequent years I saw the havoc these types
of hires caused to the public and the department. If this type of
hiring was going on in the eighties just think how much is going on
currently. I see newspaper articles every week about law enforcement
officers being arrested for numerous crimes. I believe hiring practices
and lowered standards are the main culprits in these types of cases.
Posted by: Old Retired Cop at October 15, 2019 12:02 PM
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The same thing happened in the Navy. They started waving the little stuff and then progressed to waiving drug stuff back in the 80s.
Then they lowered ASVAB scores and started up a "remedial skills training" class at RTC. Got recruits up to 8th grade levels in math and reading. Then they let them go to boot camp. Some of those guys where there for 12+ weeks just to get them up to the lower standards before they started boot camp.
The quality of Recruits we sent to the Fleet went down and A school academic drop outs went up.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 15, 2019 12:07 PM (JUOKG)
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Ukrainian contacts.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 15, 2019 12:05 PM (zdltJ)
Is that confirmed?
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 15, 2019 12:05 PM (zdltJ)
Is that confirmed?
Posted by: Wut at October 15, 2019 12:07 PM (OP2H/)
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We could use more conservatives in CO, but based on the trend I could see avoidance. But there are some pretty conservative counties at least.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 15, 2019 12:08 PM (r+sAi)
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As to Bolton. I read the Moron Report comments. I'm always late being on the left coast. However if I understand this correctly, everyone is all fired up over a NEW YORK TIMES Propaganda hit piece? WTH?
Remember any and all NYT "articles/reporting will be proved to be lies. Nothing but lies covering up for donks and screwing with republicans. I'd keep that in mind with rhetoric.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at October 15, 2019 11:46 AM (pw+jk)
I saw this am that posters here were quoting the NYT's and reacting to it as if it is the word of God. Apparently , a bunch of us here do not learn even after repeated episodes of lies on a regular basis from the NYT.
Remember any and all NYT "articles/reporting will be proved to be lies. Nothing but lies covering up for donks and screwing with republicans. I'd keep that in mind with rhetoric.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at October 15, 2019 11:46 AM (pw+jk)
I saw this am that posters here were quoting the NYT's and reacting to it as if it is the word of God. Apparently , a bunch of us here do not learn even after repeated episodes of lies on a regular basis from the NYT.
Posted by: Jen the original at October 15, 2019 12:08 PM (hrQ04)
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New Orleans has had their entire police force taken over by the state or feds at least once for corruption. Once they found more than a dozen New Orleans cops, on duty, guarding a drug warehouse.
Have to wonder why the even rebuilt New Orleans.
Have to wonder why the even rebuilt New Orleans.
Posted by: not so at October 15, 2019 12:08 PM (HALdu)
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cops are no better or worse than the federal, state, and municipal, laws and codes they are expected to enforce. it all goes back to government and judges. i have a good friend who was a police chief. lets just say he's glad to be retired.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at October 15, 2019 12:08 PM (KP5rU)
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>>Thanks. My best friend lives south of Tucson. He said the neighborhoods are sprouting up way too quickly. Texas is my first choice, but I really fear it'll eventually go blue.
And you will still hear about the Eagles and have the bonus of hearing about America's Team endlessly.
And you will still hear about the Eagles and have the bonus of hearing about America's Team endlessly.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 15, 2019 12:08 PM (ZLI7S)
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The dude at the wedding never got his rental fee back for the exploded goats.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 15, 2019 12:08 PM (J/VKP)
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296 I saw this am that posters here were quoting the NYT's and reacting to it as if it is the word of God. Apparently , a bunch of us here do not learn even after repeated episodes of lies on a regular basis from the NYT.
Posted by: Jen the original at October 15, 2019 12:08 PM (hrQ04)
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THIS TIME they got it!
Posted by: Jen the original at October 15, 2019 12:08 PM (hrQ04)
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THIS TIME they got it!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, with that Kubrick look towards the camera at October 15, 2019 12:08 PM (q80AH)
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Squeeze any gun with a 12 lb trigger AND keep the barrel on target.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2019 12:06 PM (Qq3ZN)
NYPD guns have even heavier triggers.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2019 12:06 PM (Qq3ZN)
NYPD guns have even heavier triggers.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2019 12:08 PM (wYseH)
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I knew a guy who worked in the State mental hospital when they had one. He has scars and joint/back issues to this day from those violent little people.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 15, 2019 11:59 AM (JUOKG)
The problem for State Employees is that they're not allowed to go into a situation with the express intent of beating the shit out of the person they're facing, they're supposed to try and "subdue" them. In an institutional setting, that's probably best. What my point was is that it's much better to beat the shit out of someone than it is to kill them, and if you start out with that as the goal, it won't be that hard when you've got the size advantage. But state employees know they'll get fired if the patient gets sent to the hospital with several broken bones or a crushed eyesocket.
If a weapon is needed, then go with a lead filled nightstick, not a gun.
I knew a guy who worked in the State mental hospital when they had one. He has scars and joint/back issues to this day from those violent little people.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 15, 2019 11:59 AM (JUOKG)
The problem for State Employees is that they're not allowed to go into a situation with the express intent of beating the shit out of the person they're facing, they're supposed to try and "subdue" them. In an institutional setting, that's probably best. What my point was is that it's much better to beat the shit out of someone than it is to kill them, and if you start out with that as the goal, it won't be that hard when you've got the size advantage. But state employees know they'll get fired if the patient gets sent to the hospital with several broken bones or a crushed eyesocket.
If a weapon is needed, then go with a lead filled nightstick, not a gun.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2019 12:09 PM (Kpl3J)
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The Ft Worth cop needs to be charged with manslaughter.
Murder, I believe requires intention.
Not the case here from what I've read.
But, manslaughter...definitely.
Posted by: naturalfake at October 15, 2019 12:00 PM (XCfh1)
IIRC, the lady got murder because she pulled the trigger while aimed at theguy.
pretty much the same thing here, if i understand it.
so i'd expect murder charge as well.
Murder, I believe requires intention.
Not the case here from what I've read.
But, manslaughter...definitely.
Posted by: naturalfake at October 15, 2019 12:00 PM (XCfh1)
IIRC, the lady got murder because she pulled the trigger while aimed at theguy.
pretty much the same thing here, if i understand it.
so i'd expect murder charge as well.
Posted by: SturmToddler at October 15, 2019 12:09 PM (8D42x)
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>>>And you will still hear about the Eagles and have the bonus of hearing about America's Team endlessly.
Thankfully, I'm more of a college football fan; specifically TCU.
Thankfully, I'm more of a college football fan; specifically TCU.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 12:09 PM (bkUtD)
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Amazingly, no one beats people up for wearing the wrong jersey there. (Kyle's a Rams fan.)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 12:01 PM (bkUtD)
what about santa?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 12:01 PM (bkUtD)
what about santa?
Posted by: SturmToddler at October 15, 2019 12:09 PM (8D42x)
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Ukrainian contacts.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 15, 2019 12:05 PM (zdltJ)
Is that confirmed?
Posted by: Wut at October 15, 2019 12:07 PM (OP2H/)
It's what is being reported. I'm just answering your question on whether it was Trump's phone call that Bolton requested be reviewed by NSA counsel. The answer to that is no it wasn't.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 15, 2019 12:05 PM (zdltJ)
Is that confirmed?
Posted by: Wut at October 15, 2019 12:07 PM (OP2H/)
It's what is being reported. I'm just answering your question on whether it was Trump's phone call that Bolton requested be reviewed by NSA counsel. The answer to that is no it wasn't.
Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 15, 2019 12:10 PM (zdltJ)
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CBD is minutes away from posting a "fuck the police" music video.
Posted by: Sponge at October 15, 2019 11:59 AM (Zz0t1)
Sigh...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2019 12:02 PM (wYseH)
I never suspected you were a fan of NWA and Public Enemy...
Posted by: Sponge at October 15, 2019 11:59 AM (Zz0t1)
Sigh...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 15, 2019 12:02 PM (wYseH)
I never suspected you were a fan of NWA and Public Enemy...
Posted by: SturmToddler at October 15, 2019 12:11 PM (8D42x)
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In business you hire people for their talents, not their opinions, and they get canned if their opinions interfere with their talents. Trump has operated the White House in very much that fashion. It's not usual for politics, but it's what he knows.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 15, 2019 12:06 PM (ZGrMX)
You have hit upon one of Trump's main weaknesses. He believed that people would obey his lawful orders because that is the way things work in business and should work in government, never occurred to him that his government would work against him actively.
He was entirely blind sided by the fact that military officers that he thought were bound by duty and honor would ever work against him.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 15, 2019 12:06 PM (ZGrMX)
You have hit upon one of Trump's main weaknesses. He believed that people would obey his lawful orders because that is the way things work in business and should work in government, never occurred to him that his government would work against him actively.
He was entirely blind sided by the fact that military officers that he thought were bound by duty and honor would ever work against him.
Posted by: not so at October 15, 2019 12:11 PM (HALdu)
Posted by: Wut at October 15, 2019 12:11 PM (OP2H/)
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It appears everyone except Donald had their hand in the Ukraine.
Dont ask where Joey Bidet put his though
Dont ask where Joey Bidet put his though
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 15, 2019 12:11 PM (J/VKP)
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Tucson has some very nice neighborhoods, but it's way too close to Nogales.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2019 12:11 PM (Kpl3J)
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>>>what about santa?
They just throw snowballs at him. They threw batteries at a Phillie who left the team. Classy.
They just throw snowballs at him. They threw batteries at a Phillie who left the team. Classy.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 12:12 PM (bkUtD)
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273 254: morality trumps law is the argument used by open borders zealots, people who assist illegals in their pursuit of jobs, benefits, and ballots. If you don't think the law is moral. work to change it.
Posted by: CN at October 15, 2019 12:04 PM (U7k5w)
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Invasion of a sovreign country is not a moral exception to a law, it is an act of war. Illegally taking goods/money is not a moral exception to the law, it is theft. Etc.
Protecting innocent people from someone who would rob them of their life and liberty is the basis of being an American.
Posted by: CN at October 15, 2019 12:04 PM (U7k5w)
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Invasion of a sovreign country is not a moral exception to a law, it is an act of war. Illegally taking goods/money is not a moral exception to the law, it is theft. Etc.
Protecting innocent people from someone who would rob them of their life and liberty is the basis of being an American.
Posted by: Linn Ridge at October 15, 2019 12:12 PM (02Sla)
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The same thing happened in the Navy. They started waving the little stuff and then progressed to waiving drug stuff back in the 80s.
Then they lowered ASVAB scores and started up a "remedial skills training" class at RTC. Got recruits up to 8th grade levels in math and reading. Then they let them go to boot camp. Some of those guys where there for 12+ weeks just to get them up to the lower standards before they started boot camp.
The quality of Recruits we sent to the Fleet went down and A school academic drop outs went up.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 15, 2019 12:07 PM (JUOKG)
The broken windows theory of recruiting.
Was driving along the other day and some cop in short sleeves was inked from wrist to neck.
Then they lowered ASVAB scores and started up a "remedial skills training" class at RTC. Got recruits up to 8th grade levels in math and reading. Then they let them go to boot camp. Some of those guys where there for 12+ weeks just to get them up to the lower standards before they started boot camp.
The quality of Recruits we sent to the Fleet went down and A school academic drop outs went up.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 15, 2019 12:07 PM (JUOKG)
The broken windows theory of recruiting.
Was driving along the other day and some cop in short sleeves was inked from wrist to neck.
Posted by: not so at October 15, 2019 12:13 PM (HALdu)
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Nood
Posted by: rickb223 at October 15, 2019 12:13 PM (Qq3ZN)
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very few people even remember this story anymore - but probably enough years have passed for everyone to admit the truth, at least privately. Secrecy was absolutely essential on the first morning of the 6 day war - any early warning to the Egyptian Air Force and the attack would turn to disaster, and the war would be lost.
The US had betrayed both Israel and the UK in the 1957 crisis, and our CIA had very strong ties to the Arab world. No responsible commander could have trusted the Liberty not to betray the incoming attack - it's ability to transmit had to be taken out. So yes, it was a deliberate attack - and yes, we deserved it. There's the truth of the thing. Everything that's been said since is just blah blah blah because it's a very uncomfortable topic for both sides.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2019 11:48 AM (Kpl3J)
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Exactly how high were you when you wrote this garbage?
The US had betrayed both Israel and the UK in the 1957 crisis, and our CIA had very strong ties to the Arab world. No responsible commander could have trusted the Liberty not to betray the incoming attack - it's ability to transmit had to be taken out. So yes, it was a deliberate attack - and yes, we deserved it. There's the truth of the thing. Everything that's been said since is just blah blah blah because it's a very uncomfortable topic for both sides.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2019 11:48 AM (Kpl3J)
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Exactly how high were you when you wrote this garbage?
Posted by: Community Organizer at October 15, 2019 12:13 PM (U6Dvp)
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312 Tucson has some very nice neighborhoods, but it's way too close to Nogales.
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Not up for being kidnapped and smuggled to Mexico, eh?
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Not up for being kidnapped and smuggled to Mexico, eh?
Posted by: Wut at October 15, 2019 12:14 PM (OP2H/)
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wyatt, i have been to phillie, you have my sympathy. never again.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at October 15, 2019 12:14 PM (KP5rU)
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Back in the late '70s, Gnaw-luns tried that -- said if you wanted to be NOPD, you had to live in Orleans Parish. Decline in quality of officers ensued, as did a rash of NOPD cops having "official" residences, usually a family member's, in town, and their real home outside. Not sure if it's still an official policy.
I'm pretty sure the decline in police officer quality has not been reversed.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
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This has always been the policy in the city of Chicago.
But as the African American population grew all the white police and firefighters started moving to the far southwest and northwest parts of the city.
So, today, those areas are almost like suburbs, though technically within city limits.
I'm pretty sure the decline in police officer quality has not been reversed.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
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This has always been the policy in the city of Chicago.
But as the African American population grew all the white police and firefighters started moving to the far southwest and northwest parts of the city.
So, today, those areas are almost like suburbs, though technically within city limits.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 15, 2019 12:14 PM (so+oy)
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My only complaint about today's rant is blaming the ware on drugs.
This is very common on the Left, as they think there was never any problem with drugs and that it was only just an excuse to persecute people of color. I lived through a lot of the crack and heroin epidemic where it started, and these were real problems.
Some of the civil rights issues and legal changes came back then (mostly under clinton NOT Reagan.) but the militarization happened with the war on terror.
I think it is too easy on the left to blame WOD and Reagan for what they hate about the US since they also hate that too. CBD falls into the same trap in shying away from accepting that the war on terror (at least partly necessary) was the contributor to militarization.
(sorry if i am incoherent. I have migraine, and just got up (asian time zone so it is 1.00 am)
This is very common on the Left, as they think there was never any problem with drugs and that it was only just an excuse to persecute people of color. I lived through a lot of the crack and heroin epidemic where it started, and these were real problems.
Some of the civil rights issues and legal changes came back then (mostly under clinton NOT Reagan.) but the militarization happened with the war on terror.
I think it is too easy on the left to blame WOD and Reagan for what they hate about the US since they also hate that too. CBD falls into the same trap in shying away from accepting that the war on terror (at least partly necessary) was the contributor to militarization.
(sorry if i am incoherent. I have migraine, and just got up (asian time zone so it is 1.00 am)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at October 15, 2019 12:14 PM (LWu6U)
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@288
I have a vintage S&W (1960s) with probably a 12 lb trigger.
I'm no expert but it shoots fine. But probably a better trigger than what they're using in the NYPD.
I have a vintage S&W (1960s) with probably a 12 lb trigger.
I'm no expert but it shoots fine. But probably a better trigger than what they're using in the NYPD.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at October 15, 2019 12:15 PM (koNhm)
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>>If a weapon is needed, then go with a lead filled nightstick, not a gun.
If a crazy person on drugs is coming at me I'm using whatever the most lethal weapon I have available. I'm not getting into a needless fight.
How many concealed carry people are also carrying a nightstick? Why are they allowed to use lethal force but a cop isn't?
We live in a country with 350 million people and likely 10% of that total is here illegally meaning they do not by definition follow our laws. We didn't have this problem 50 years ago so comparing what cops were like back then to how they are today is dumb.
Our society has become more lawless. People sit here every single day talking about arming up and no, this is not what it was like 50 years either. If we are seeing the breakdown in society and the accompanying growth in lawlessness and violence what do you think the cops are seeing?
If a crazy person on drugs is coming at me I'm using whatever the most lethal weapon I have available. I'm not getting into a needless fight.
How many concealed carry people are also carrying a nightstick? Why are they allowed to use lethal force but a cop isn't?
We live in a country with 350 million people and likely 10% of that total is here illegally meaning they do not by definition follow our laws. We didn't have this problem 50 years ago so comparing what cops were like back then to how they are today is dumb.
Our society has become more lawless. People sit here every single day talking about arming up and no, this is not what it was like 50 years either. If we are seeing the breakdown in society and the accompanying growth in lawlessness and violence what do you think the cops are seeing?
Posted by: JackStraw at October 15, 2019 12:15 PM (ZLI7S)
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morality trumps law
Sounds like the argument used by those American religious idiots who brought medical supplies to Hanoi while we were bombing them.
Sounds like the argument used by those American religious idiots who brought medical supplies to Hanoi while we were bombing them.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 15, 2019 12:15 PM (J/VKP)
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Murder, I believe requires intention.
Not the case here from what I've read.
But, manslaughter...definitely.
Posted by: naturalfake at October 15, 2019 12:00 PM (XCfh1)
IIRC, the lady got murder because she pulled the trigger while aimed at theguy.
pretty much the same thing here, if i understand it.
so i'd expect murder charge as well.
Posted by: SturmToddler at October 15, 2019 12:09 (8D42x)
Legally, "intent" is not the same as "premeditation". Legal Intent can be formed in a second, on the spur of the moment; it should be in contrast to an accidental shooting.
Officer Guyger, convicted last month, was found to have Intent because she pulled her gun, she aimed it at the man who was killed, and she intentionally pulled the trigger, knowing that the bullet would strike him. That's all the intent the law requires.
In the current case, it looks like the Defense is going to say that the women was holding a gun - but I've seen the bodycam video, and I don't see that at all.
Not the case here from what I've read.
But, manslaughter...definitely.
Posted by: naturalfake at October 15, 2019 12:00 PM (XCfh1)
IIRC, the lady got murder because she pulled the trigger while aimed at theguy.
pretty much the same thing here, if i understand it.
so i'd expect murder charge as well.
Posted by: SturmToddler at October 15, 2019 12:09 (8D42x)
Legally, "intent" is not the same as "premeditation". Legal Intent can be formed in a second, on the spur of the moment; it should be in contrast to an accidental shooting.
Officer Guyger, convicted last month, was found to have Intent because she pulled her gun, she aimed it at the man who was killed, and she intentionally pulled the trigger, knowing that the bullet would strike him. That's all the intent the law requires.
In the current case, it looks like the Defense is going to say that the women was holding a gun - but I've seen the bodycam video, and I don't see that at all.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2019 12:16 PM (Kpl3J)
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Do cops even carry nightsticks anymore?
Posted by: not so at October 15, 2019 12:16 PM (HALdu)
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The other thing I'd say on the shooting the naked man/retarded girl topic is that you really have no idea who you are fighting if you opt to do that. This kind of discussion always reminds me of my uncle Mike. He was about 5" 1' and didn't weight too much. Maybe 140, 150. He grew up in the ghetto, had a very bad childhood, did time in the pen. He learned to fight young. And the drugs he was usually on reduced the pain he felt. Many bigger fellas learned the hard way that he was not be trifled with, and taking a beating from him meant the hospital. You'd never suspect it looking at him though.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 15, 2019 12:17 PM (ppBhU)
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242 Be the first one on your block!
Bolshevik Barbie? Kickstarter project is raising money for an Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez action figure
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Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 15, 2019
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I saw an "Election 2020" chess set advertised on a cable channel. Beautifully carved figures of Trump, Pence, the Dem leaders, etc., including one of Jugears. They leave the king and queen figures on the "blue" side empty; once the candidates are known, you can write to them, and (I suppose for an extra fee) they'll send you the two figures to complete your set. Sixty bucks, I think.
Ingenious, these capitalists.
Bolshevik Barbie? Kickstarter project is raising money for an Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez action figure
https://bit.ly/2OLjvNU
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 15, 2019
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I saw an "Election 2020" chess set advertised on a cable channel. Beautifully carved figures of Trump, Pence, the Dem leaders, etc., including one of Jugears. They leave the king and queen figures on the "blue" side empty; once the candidates are known, you can write to them, and (I suppose for an extra fee) they'll send you the two figures to complete your set. Sixty bucks, I think.
Ingenious, these capitalists.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 15, 2019 12:17 PM (ClOmq)
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If a crazy person on drugs is coming at me I'm using whatever the most lethal weapon I have available. I'm not getting into a needless fight.
Just to be clear, the original example i was using was what response should have been given to a 100 lb, 15 year old, unarmed girl who was mentally ill. I will never believe it was necessary to shoot her.
Just to be clear, the original example i was using was what response should have been given to a 100 lb, 15 year old, unarmed girl who was mentally ill. I will never believe it was necessary to shoot her.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 15, 2019 12:18 PM (Kpl3J)
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Police work certainly is not what it used to be. My late father was a street cop for the Houston PD for 30 years. He retired in the late 1980s. Thing is, during that 30 years he spent on the street (and no, he was not patrolling what you'd call a "nice" neighborhood), you could literally count on the fingers of one hand the number of times he ever had to draw his weapon (a Smith&Wesson Model 28 "Highway Patrolman" in caliber .357 Magnum) in the line of duty.
Now, let us not forget a lot of cops have been murdered of late, as often as not just sitting in their patrol cars. And then there was that Ferguson, MO case that the MFM made such a monumental clusterfuck out of. So yeah, this is bound to make them a bit froggy, I get that, and I don't blame them...up to a point. (Hell, not long I was walking into my local gun range and there's this huge black Texas state trooper standing there at the counter, and when I walked in the door, that sonofabitch cleared leather on me. I was just an old man, clearly unarmed, whereas he and everybody else in that place had a pistol on his hip. Did he really think I was there to start something, especially since I wasn't even armed. I just stared at him for a minute and just went on about my business, but I was damned tempted to walk up to him and say "What in the FUCK is the matter with you? Are you crazy? You don't throw down on an unarmed citizen like that. Talk about out of control. That's nuts.)
But these recent cases, such as what just happened in Ft. Worth, and the others that have been cited, are nothing but pure, unadulterated stupidity on a cosmic scale. All they had to do is yell "Fort Worth Police! Show yourselves!" at that open front door and none of this would have happened, at least as long as they remembered that little rule about not firing unless you have a clearly identified threat.
And yes, I know a lot of cops have been killed by a lot of loony blacks who think they are the last of the Mau Maus and are going to take the whitey cop with him. That does not get talked about (because "rayciss") much, but oh yes, it happens a lot too.
But even so, taking some of these wild shots through windows, or at vague outlines of someone you are not sure of, who end up being unarmed, that's bullshit, pure and simple and whatever that Ft. Worth cop gets he deserves.
If my father were still alive and had seen this crap, he'd be livid. And I do have to say, in the last few years of his life, something happened, he saw something, not sure what, but his opinion of the cops on the street these days dropped like a stone. Never would tell me why but I could sure see it....
Now, let us not forget a lot of cops have been murdered of late, as often as not just sitting in their patrol cars. And then there was that Ferguson, MO case that the MFM made such a monumental clusterfuck out of. So yeah, this is bound to make them a bit froggy, I get that, and I don't blame them...up to a point. (Hell, not long I was walking into my local gun range and there's this huge black Texas state trooper standing there at the counter, and when I walked in the door, that sonofabitch cleared leather on me. I was just an old man, clearly unarmed, whereas he and everybody else in that place had a pistol on his hip. Did he really think I was there to start something, especially since I wasn't even armed. I just stared at him for a minute and just went on about my business, but I was damned tempted to walk up to him and say "What in the FUCK is the matter with you? Are you crazy? You don't throw down on an unarmed citizen like that. Talk about out of control. That's nuts.)
But these recent cases, such as what just happened in Ft. Worth, and the others that have been cited, are nothing but pure, unadulterated stupidity on a cosmic scale. All they had to do is yell "Fort Worth Police! Show yourselves!" at that open front door and none of this would have happened, at least as long as they remembered that little rule about not firing unless you have a clearly identified threat.
And yes, I know a lot of cops have been killed by a lot of loony blacks who think they are the last of the Mau Maus and are going to take the whitey cop with him. That does not get talked about (because "rayciss") much, but oh yes, it happens a lot too.
But even so, taking some of these wild shots through windows, or at vague outlines of someone you are not sure of, who end up being unarmed, that's bullshit, pure and simple and whatever that Ft. Worth cop gets he deserves.
If my father were still alive and had seen this crap, he'd be livid. And I do have to say, in the last few years of his life, something happened, he saw something, not sure what, but his opinion of the cops on the street these days dropped like a stone. Never would tell me why but I could sure see it....
Posted by: The Oort Cloud, Source of all SMODs at October 15, 2019 12:20 PM (p0pYQ)
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what about santa?
They just throw snowballs at him. They threw batteries at a Phillie who left the team. Classy.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 12:12 PM (bkUtD)
That was SOP at Wrigley a few years ago...
They just throw snowballs at him. They threw batteries at a Phillie who left the team. Classy.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at October 15, 2019 12:12 PM (bkUtD)
That was SOP at Wrigley a few years ago...
Posted by: SturmToddler at October 15, 2019 12:21 PM (8D42x)
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Wow that touched a nerve. The attack on the Liberty may well have been
accidental, but the Israelis should have known it was an American ship,
just as the cop lady should have known she was in the wrong apartment.
Both were very negligent mistakes.
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The attack on the Liberty was no mistake. They have SIGINT intercepts of the Israeli pilots talking about attacking a U.S ship.
accidental, but the Israelis should have known it was an American ship,
just as the cop lady should have known she was in the wrong apartment.
Both were very negligent mistakes.
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The attack on the Liberty was no mistake. They have SIGINT intercepts of the Israeli pilots talking about attacking a U.S ship.
Posted by: Jolo at October 15, 2019 12:25 PM (WrMOC)
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What am I missing here. I don't know the story, but it says that the cop shot the veteran when he was charging naked at him. If that were the whole story, then I don't see why the cop would be charged with anything. The cop has no obligation to enter it a fight, particularly when could loose his sidearm to the attacker.
So I am missing a piece of this story.
So I am missing a piece of this story.
Posted by: Chicago Vota at October 15, 2019 12:30 PM (Icyd9)
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I will go back to work but let me share an experience I had with a NYS Conservation officer. I was camping in the Adirondacks with my two boys and large dog when a man approached our camp at dusk with a flashlight. Dog of course went nuts barking. Man identified himself as a conservation officer and without pausing KEPT ADVANCING to our camp with a nightstick in front of him in some sort of anti-dog "tactical stance."
I shouted to the officer/idiot to please hold up a second so I could get my dog and the officer /idiot KEPT ADVANCING in "tactical stance" (with firearm also at hip). I was able grab our dog and leash him.
Said officer proceeded to inspect/harass our camp, finding only that everything was legal, we were 150' from the creek, using bear canister etc. But the Fing idiot scared the crap out of my kids and, I suspect, put my beloved dog's life in real danger by creating a dangerous, chaotic situation when a little pause and common sense would have gone a long way. I filed a complaint with his Supervisor who seemed to be sympathetic. But this is the mindset of too many LEOs.
I shouted to the officer/idiot to please hold up a second so I could get my dog and the officer /idiot KEPT ADVANCING in "tactical stance" (with firearm also at hip). I was able grab our dog and leash him.
Said officer proceeded to inspect/harass our camp, finding only that everything was legal, we were 150' from the creek, using bear canister etc. But the Fing idiot scared the crap out of my kids and, I suspect, put my beloved dog's life in real danger by creating a dangerous, chaotic situation when a little pause and common sense would have gone a long way. I filed a complaint with his Supervisor who seemed to be sympathetic. But this is the mindset of too many LEOs.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at October 15, 2019 12:32 PM (koNhm)
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qualifications:
non-combat vet USAF
I'm getting real tired of repeating the same thing:
the whole situation's beginning to look like a a déjà vu of Germany 1935
Hey, Guys! doesn't anybody read history any more; can't anyone connect the dots from A to B without a problem - Hey! it's a straight line
non-combat vet USAF
I'm getting real tired of repeating the same thing:
the whole situation's beginning to look like a a déjà vu of Germany 1935
Hey, Guys! doesn't anybody read history any more; can't anyone connect the dots from A to B without a problem - Hey! it's a straight line
Posted by: paracelsus at October 15, 2019 12:45 PM (tyxCD)
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" It's still true that the 700k +/- police officers in the US are the most law-abiding segment of society."
...and concealed carrying public is 6 TIMES less likely to commit a crime than cops.
...and concealed carrying public is 6 TIMES less likely to commit a crime than cops.
Posted by: doesky2 at October 15, 2019 12:48 PM (7GvGz)
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Yeah, I know "nood" and all, but...
A few things:
First, according to CNN, the cop in the first link was tried on "felony murder" charges. That means he was in the commission of a crime when someone died, rather than he set out to kill someone or killed someone in the heat of the moment. Of course he was acquitted if that's what he was actually charged with.
But, I doubt it. He was probably charged with second-degree murder, which is a felony. (Look, there's no "misdemeanor murder". All murders are felonies.) Acquitting him on that is less "Duh!" but still well within reason according to the 'facts' in the CNN article. (Unfortunately, it's CNN, so whether they are facts or not is always in question.)
Second, it's not really the militarization of the police that's the issue, as it is the authoritarian attitude of police and the electorate's willing subordination to the government (especially the police). As I think all weapons (short of some that shouldn't be kept locally for neighborhood safety reasons) should be available to the general public (citizens, anyway), I don't mind the cops having cool toys. Except, of course, we can't.
But, it's not the weapons themselves, but the idea that they are somehow above the average citizen in their power and authority, when in reality, they are (well, *should be*) just getting paid to do full time what is the duty of ~every~ citizen ~all the time~. When they are treated otherwise - as if they have some mandate of authority that derives from anywhere other than the citizens themselves - it doesn't matter the weapons or tactics they use, it will grind on the freedom of the citizens and cause harm.
Third, your penultimate paragraph almost nails it. I think there does need to be some consideration given to the fact that the danger arising in the policeman's job is from his fellow American, rather than simply from accidents. Yes, so is the taxi driver - but he's not going looking for the people that will hurt him.
There's a balance we should expect: the citizenry should respect the policeman *because* we're asking him to do our jobs on a full-time basis, while expecting a bit of humility from the officer because he is NOT really all that special, compared to those among whom he patrols.
Fourth, I wish we could get rid of the idea that an "unarmed" man is actually unarmed. Just because he doesn't bear a weapon external to his own body does not make him un-dangerous. Trust me when I say (yeah, all you Morons know this) that anyone here could kill someone with their bare hands, depending on circumstances, and that makes you DANGEROUS, regardless of equipment.
Having said that, it sure would be nice if we could give back more options to the police officer than a) get hurt, b) yell, c) tase the dude and d) shoot him. there's a whole range of responses that has gradually been taken away because of whingeing from grievance groups - billy clubs, hand techniques, etc. When your only tool is a hammer, you have to treat everything as if it's a nail. (Much like the taking away of disciplinary options from teachers means that 10yos get arrested for kicking a teacher.)
/rant
A few things:
First, according to CNN, the cop in the first link was tried on "felony murder" charges. That means he was in the commission of a crime when someone died, rather than he set out to kill someone or killed someone in the heat of the moment. Of course he was acquitted if that's what he was actually charged with.
But, I doubt it. He was probably charged with second-degree murder, which is a felony. (Look, there's no "misdemeanor murder". All murders are felonies.) Acquitting him on that is less "Duh!" but still well within reason according to the 'facts' in the CNN article. (Unfortunately, it's CNN, so whether they are facts or not is always in question.)
Second, it's not really the militarization of the police that's the issue, as it is the authoritarian attitude of police and the electorate's willing subordination to the government (especially the police). As I think all weapons (short of some that shouldn't be kept locally for neighborhood safety reasons) should be available to the general public (citizens, anyway), I don't mind the cops having cool toys. Except, of course, we can't.
But, it's not the weapons themselves, but the idea that they are somehow above the average citizen in their power and authority, when in reality, they are (well, *should be*) just getting paid to do full time what is the duty of ~every~ citizen ~all the time~. When they are treated otherwise - as if they have some mandate of authority that derives from anywhere other than the citizens themselves - it doesn't matter the weapons or tactics they use, it will grind on the freedom of the citizens and cause harm.
Third, your penultimate paragraph almost nails it. I think there does need to be some consideration given to the fact that the danger arising in the policeman's job is from his fellow American, rather than simply from accidents. Yes, so is the taxi driver - but he's not going looking for the people that will hurt him.
There's a balance we should expect: the citizenry should respect the policeman *because* we're asking him to do our jobs on a full-time basis, while expecting a bit of humility from the officer because he is NOT really all that special, compared to those among whom he patrols.
Fourth, I wish we could get rid of the idea that an "unarmed" man is actually unarmed. Just because he doesn't bear a weapon external to his own body does not make him un-dangerous. Trust me when I say (yeah, all you Morons know this) that anyone here could kill someone with their bare hands, depending on circumstances, and that makes you DANGEROUS, regardless of equipment.
Having said that, it sure would be nice if we could give back more options to the police officer than a) get hurt, b) yell, c) tase the dude and d) shoot him. there's a whole range of responses that has gradually been taken away because of whingeing from grievance groups - billy clubs, hand techniques, etc. When your only tool is a hammer, you have to treat everything as if it's a nail. (Much like the taking away of disciplinary options from teachers means that 10yos get arrested for kicking a teacher.)
/rant
Posted by: GOPer at October 15, 2019 12:50 PM (QTm+F)
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You make them out to be monsters.
Posted by: TSgt Ciz at October 15, 2019 12:07 PM (P+Ru9
*I* make them out to be poorly trained, sometimes engendered with an improper attitude, and improperly constrained by their bosses.
Posted by: TSgt Ciz at October 15, 2019 12:07 PM (P+Ru9
*I* make them out to be poorly trained, sometimes engendered with an improper attitude, and improperly constrained by their bosses.
Posted by: GOPer at October 15, 2019 01:16 PM (QTm+F)
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Oh, fer cryin' out lout....~sock~ off
Posted by: GWB at October 15, 2019 01:16 PM (QTm+F)
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Actually this militarization began in the 60s with the urban riots. See Garry Wills Esquire article The Second Civil War. I interviewed Wills about this for a radio doc, The Police and The Ghetto for WFUV.FM Fordham Univ in 1968. He described the Philly cops having roving cars of heavily armed cops with M14s that were not permitted to respond to any calls not actually made by their PC. In the late 60s and earlt 70s LAPD developed the SWAT concept using M16s, Remington 700s with 10x scopes. This at a time when NYPD Emergency Service, a multi function unit, was still fielding model 1894 Winchester rifles.
Posted by: Xknight at October 15, 2019 01:56 PM (7TVai)
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I wonder if the author of this post gets worked up just as much when a cop gets falsely accused of murder during the process of doing his or her job.
Somehow I doubt it.
Somehow I doubt it.
Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at October 15, 2019 02:01 PM (jWe5r)
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I'll chime in on here after what feels like years of silence in the blogosphere.
I had a thought the other day that cops sometimes tend to make me just as nervous while I'm driving around as I generally am nervous about crossing a psychotic criminal. Both I can see are relatively unlikely events but just the idea that both sides of the law make me kind of nervous (lots of things make me nervous) really hit home. Like, who are you supposed to turn to? My years of friendlessness and self-reliance are finally skills that are somewhat useful.
I had a thought the other day that cops sometimes tend to make me just as nervous while I'm driving around as I generally am nervous about crossing a psychotic criminal. Both I can see are relatively unlikely events but just the idea that both sides of the law make me kind of nervous (lots of things make me nervous) really hit home. Like, who are you supposed to turn to? My years of friendlessness and self-reliance are finally skills that are somewhat useful.
Posted by: Hipster Doofus at October 15, 2019 03:47 PM (gqvXZ)
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248 CBD is minutes away from posting a "fuck the police" music video.
Posted by: Sponge at October 15, 2019 11:59 AM (Zz0t1)
The #1 complaint I have about the police, and my biggest criticism of them is exactly this: too many of them believe themselves, as you do, to be completely above criticism.
Police DEMAND ABSOLUTE RESPECT (respect having to be earned is a foreign concept to them) from the citizenry while at the same time taking every opportunity to spit in the faces of the public. Look at Portland, where they simply refuse to do their jobs, or Berkeley, or other cities in America where they decided the pension was worth more than doing their jobs.
I want to like them, but the cops themselves work overtime to make it difficult, if not impossible, to do so. With any luck the book will be thrown at the former cop from Fort Worth.
Posted by: Sponge at October 15, 2019 11:59 AM (Zz0t1)
The #1 complaint I have about the police, and my biggest criticism of them is exactly this: too many of them believe themselves, as you do, to be completely above criticism.
Police DEMAND ABSOLUTE RESPECT (respect having to be earned is a foreign concept to them) from the citizenry while at the same time taking every opportunity to spit in the faces of the public. Look at Portland, where they simply refuse to do their jobs, or Berkeley, or other cities in America where they decided the pension was worth more than doing their jobs.
I want to like them, but the cops themselves work overtime to make it difficult, if not impossible, to do so. With any luck the book will be thrown at the former cop from Fort Worth.
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George Bush Slices Don Rumsfeld Like an F*ckin' Hammer
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George Bush Slices Don Rumsfeld Like an F*ckin' Hammer
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New Shows On Gore's DNC/MTV Network
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Star Wars Euphemisms for Self-Abuse
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Signs Your Clown Has Gone Bad
Signs That You, Geroge Michael, Should Probably Just Give It Up
Signs of Hip-Hop Influence on John Kerry
NYT Headlines Spinning Bush's Jobs Boom
Things People Are More Likely to Say Than "Did You Hear What Al Franken Said Yesterday?"
Signs that Paul Krugman Has Lost His Frickin' Mind
All-Time Best NBA Players, According to Senator Robert Byrd
Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran
Signs That David Letterman Just Doesn't Care Anymore
Examples of Bob Kerrey's Insufferable Racial Jackassery
Signs Andy Rooney Is Going Senile
Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance
Collective Names for Groups of People
John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets
Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle
Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
Greatest Hitjobs
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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