Mid-Morning Art Thread

The Burial Of Christ
Francisco José de Goya y Lucientes

Posted by: CBD at 09:30 AM

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1 foist

Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at October 08, 2019 09:30 AM (G546f)

2 st?

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at October 08, 2019 09:31 AM (vWMNq)

3 I've had trips like that.

Posted by: Seamus the roof riding dog at October 08, 2019 09:31 AM (vFDdt)

4 Just humbled.

Posted by: BignJames at October 08, 2019 09:31 AM (X/Pw5)

5 Ok. That question is answered.

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at October 08, 2019 09:31 AM (vWMNq)

6 No snark on Jesus.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 08, 2019 09:31 AM (0t+fn)

7 Jesus had a bar body. All curls and triceps to impress the girls at the bar, but no real leg work.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 08, 2019 09:32 AM (wzVKm)

8 Musta had a lot of black paint lying around.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 08, 2019 09:32 AM (1ISKN)

9 Yo!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 08, 2019 09:32 AM (438dO)

10 A very different style than what I would expect from Goya

Posted by: josephistan at October 08, 2019 09:32 AM (7HtZB)

11 Is this a De Goya or a Luciente?

Posted by: Pete Bog at October 08, 2019 09:33 AM (Ltv6g)

12 Muscular Christianity.

Posted by: dagny at October 08, 2019 09:33 AM (nRWPy)

13 That is one brawny Jesus.... rather atypical...

Posted by: kraken at October 08, 2019 09:33 AM (90T4r)

14 Is this a De Goya or a Luciente?
Posted by: Pete Bog

Yes.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 08, 2019 09:33 AM (0t+fn)

15 Mary looks ummm how to say this without being sent to Hell? Burly

Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 08, 2019 09:33 AM (BqBId)

16 Everyone in this painting looks lumpy. Like the artist used sacks of taters as stand ins for models.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 08, 2019 09:33 AM (ppBhU)

17 hiya

Posted by: JT at October 08, 2019 09:33 AM (arJlL)

18 A very different style than what I would expect from Goya

Posted by: josephistan at October 08, 2019 09:32 AM (7HtZB)

That's what caught my eye...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 08, 2019 09:34 AM (wYseH)

19 Angels been working out at Planet Fitness.

Posted by: dantesed at October 08, 2019 09:34 AM (88xKn)

20 Not too late.

Posted by: FrodoB, reloading at October 08, 2019 09:35 AM (WkmoA)

21 My morning started with killing a rat in the kitchen. It was caught by the tail in the rat trap. The rest of the story is gross as hell.
JWM

Posted by: jwm at October 08, 2019 09:35 AM (Tdh/t)

22 The slate gray angel wings are a bit different too.

Posted by: kraken at October 08, 2019 09:35 AM (90T4r)

23 Angels been working out at Planet Fitness.

Posted by: dantesed at October 08, 2019 09:34 AM (88xKn)

Crossfit!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at October 08, 2019 09:35 AM (BiNEL)

24 He seems to have made a lot of paintings dealing with Christ and the Crucifixion.

Posted by: Vic at October 08, 2019 09:35 AM (mpXpK)

25 Stealth angels?

Posted by: FrodoB, reloading at October 08, 2019 09:35 AM (WkmoA)

26 19 Angels been working out at Planet Fitness.
Posted by: dantesed at October 08, 2019 09:34 AM (88xKn)

Must be tough to use the weight machines without getting your wings tangled up.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. at October 08, 2019 09:36 AM (d6Ksn)

27 #BREAKING Gordon Sondland -- the U.S. Ambassador to the EU -- has been told by the Trump Administration to NOT testify at his scheduled House deposition today over the Ukraine political storm.

Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 08, 2019 09:36 AM (BqBId)

28 Posted by: jwm at October 08, 2019 09:35 AM (Tdh/t)

Rat or mouse?.......Rat rat?

Posted by: BignJames at October 08, 2019 09:36 AM (X/Pw5)

29 It's no Titian. Thankfully!

Love Goya. Until he went dark anyway.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, a low grade social fever at October 08, 2019 09:36 AM (LISuA)

30 My morning started with killing a rat in the kitchen. It was caught by the tail in the rat trap. The rest of the story is gross as hell.
JWM
Posted by: jwm

Ummm.....and HOW did a rat get in your kitchen again, exactly ?

Posted by: JT at October 08, 2019 09:37 AM (arJlL)

31 Took my 15 year old (16 this month) to the orthopedist last Tuesday because he was having excruciating knee pain. Turns out that his legs are SO muscular that the muscles are pulling on the patellas. He has to stretch 15 minutes 4 times a day to alleviate the pain. All my boys have massive leg muscles. I have to think that's a gene handed down from some mountain dwelling people.

Posted by: dagny at October 08, 2019 09:37 AM (nRWPy)

32 We are to assume that the burly woman is Jesus mother, yes???

Posted by: kraken at October 08, 2019 09:37 AM (90T4r)

33 Art thread! And I agree, if that's Mary in the lower left of the picture, she does look pretty burly.

JWM, I'm not sure we want to hear the rest of the rat story. Do you have a cat, and if so, was he sleeping on the job?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 09:37 AM (ClOmq)

34 A very different style than what I would expect from Goya

Not a bean in sight !

Posted by: JT at October 08, 2019 09:37 AM (arJlL)

35 Sometimes paintings make me think of older works because the composition of both are so similar. Sometimes the artist is directly referencing a past work as an homage or an update. In this case Goya isn't.

This makes me think of the depiction of the death of Sarpedon from the Euphronios Vase. This one: https://tinyurl.com/yxpzru6r

I know Goya was not referencing it though, since the vase wasn't discovered until the mid-1900s. I can't unsee it. I guess genius and mastery of the arts transcends time.

Posted by: Kris at October 08, 2019 09:38 AM (OyyDO)

36 I always find parochialisms in historical art to be funny; especially when handling something like this subject matter. Wouldn't the artist try to capture the feel of 1st century Jerusalem rather than 15th century Europe? Look how jacked Jesus is, and how plump everyone around him is, and the bright clothing and Euro-lilly flesh tones. I know you also have to think of it as composition and contrast and all that, but the anachronisms just seem to pile up. Not to say it's not beautiful, but I get caught up in the weirdnesses.

Posted by: red speck at October 08, 2019 09:38 AM (nrC0n)

37 26 19 Angels been working out at Planet Fitness.
Posted by: dantesed at October 08, 2019 09:34 AM (88xKn)

Must be tough to use the weight machines without getting your wings tangled up.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V. at October 08, 2019

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They check their wings at the door.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 09:38 AM (ClOmq)

38 some mountain dwelling people.

Posted by: dagny
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Silverbacks, maybe?

Posted by: FrodoB, reloading at October 08, 2019 09:39 AM (WkmoA)

39 Jesus is ripped. Never seen Him depicted that way before.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivismisruin at October 08, 2019 09:39 AM (HaL55)

40 The piece of paper on bottom right says INRI. What does that mean?

Posted by: Beartooth at October 08, 2019 09:39 AM (duxRF)

41 My morning started with killing a rat in the kitchen. It was caught by the tail in the rat trap. The rest of the story is gross as hell.
JWM
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Is there a Dispose-All segment in this story?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 08, 2019 09:39 AM (HTHlp)

42 I used to like the Goya guanabana juice. I should get some.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 08, 2019 09:39 AM (1ISKN)

43 Not sure how the damn rat got in. I have two big cats. They slept through the whole thing.
You know what I hate? Stomping rats. (shudder)
JWM

Posted by: jwm at October 08, 2019 09:40 AM (Tdh/t)

44 Jesus, is that an ugly picture or what?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2019 09:40 AM (cEsBM)

45 15 Mary looks ummm how to say this without being sent to Hell? Burly
Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 08, 2019 09:33 AM (BqBId)

Depends which Mary you mean. The Virgin Mary is in the upper left, in shadow. The woman at the feet of Jesus is most likely Mary Magdalene. It recalls the story of her washing His feet.

Posted by: Kris at October 08, 2019 09:40 AM (OyyDO)

46 40 The piece of paper on bottom right says INRI. What does that mean?

Posted by: Beartooth at October 08, 2019 09:39 AM (duxRF)

Abbreviation of the Latin inscription above the Cross: Jesus of Nazareth, King of The Jews

Posted by: josephistan at October 08, 2019 09:41 AM (7HtZB)

47 40 The piece of paper on bottom right says INRI. What does that mean?

Posted by: Beartooth at October 08, 2019

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An acronym for the Latin words that mean, "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews" -- the mocking term the Roman soldiers applied to Jesus on the cross. (Remember that Latin had no letter "J," just "I" -- so I N R I.)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 09:41 AM (ClOmq)

48 INRI.
Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews, in Latin

Posted by: FrodoB, reloading at October 08, 2019 09:41 AM (WkmoA)

49 40
The piece of paper on bottom right says INRI. What does that mean?

Posted by: Beartooth at October 08, 2019 09:39 AM (duxRF)

"INRI stems from the Latin phrase 'Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum' meaning 'Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews'. This was the notice Pontius Pilate nailed over Jesus as he lay dying on the cross."

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 08, 2019 09:41 AM (CQ3Qb)

50 “Iesvs Nazarenvs Rex Ivdaeorvm.”

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 08, 2019 09:41 AM (HTHlp)

51 I think I read somewhere that men's hair at the time of Jesus was kept cropped pretty short, for practical reasons. Also, the robe colors were drab and not white.

Posted by: kraken at October 08, 2019 09:41 AM (90T4r)

52 The woman at the feet of Jesus is most likely Mary Magdalene. It recalls the story of her washing His feet.
Posted by: Kris at October 08, 2019 09:40 AM (OyyDO)
*******
That is the one

Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 08, 2019 09:41 AM (BqBId)

53 15 Mary looks ummm how to say this without being sent to Hell? Burly
Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 08, 2019 09:33 AM (BqBId)

Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews. Abbreviated in Latin.

Posted by: Kris at October 08, 2019 09:42 AM (OyyDO)

54 40
The piece of paper on bottom right says INRI. What does that mean?

Posted by: Beartooth at October 08, 2019 09:39 AM (duxRF)

According to the Bible it was on the cross and it is latin for King.

Posted by: Vic at October 08, 2019 09:42 AM (mpXpK)

55

Mixed Bathing for the unemployed Angels bathhouse.

Posted by: saf at October 08, 2019 09:42 AM (5IHGB)

56 I have to think that's a gene handed down from some mountain dwelling people.
Posted by: dagny at October 08, 2019 09:37 AM (nRWPy)

Well, maybe. But one of the brawniest young men I know, a friend of my nephew's, is of Dutch and Danish descent. Not a lot of mountains in either country....

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. at October 08, 2019 09:43 AM (d6Ksn)

57 I think I shall sit this one out.

Posted by: Muldoon at October 08, 2019 09:43 AM (mvenn)

58

Jesus Christ pick up your clothes man !!!

Posted by: saf at October 08, 2019 09:43 AM (5IHGB)

59 53 15 Mary looks ummm how to say this without being sent to Hell? Burly
Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 08, 2019 09:33 AM (BqBId)

Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews. Abbreviated in Latin.
Posted by: Kris at October 08, 2019 09:42 AM (OyyDO)

You sure know a lot about art... impressive.

Posted by: kraken at October 08, 2019 09:43 AM (90T4r)

60 Nos. 49 and 50 have it right. Latin also had no letter "U", only "V", as we see in comment 50. Looks darn strange to us now.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 09:43 AM (ClOmq)

61 40 The piece of paper on bottom right says INRI. What does that mean?

Posted by: Beartooth at October 08, 2019 09:39 AM (duxRF)

King of the Jews

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 08, 2019 09:44 AM (JFO2v)

62 23andMe says I have the genes of an elite power athlete.

If that's true, then I went way off track somewhere.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 08, 2019 09:44 AM (1ISKN)

63 >>53 15 Mary looks ummm how to say this without being sent to Hell? Burly Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 08, 2019 09:33 AM (BqBId)

Mary Cake.

Posted by: Zod at October 08, 2019 09:44 AM (hgpSN)

64 Sharyl Attkisson
@SharylAttkisson
Another day and the status of my Twitter followers remains frozen... 30 days+ according to analytics.
That after many people are routinely unfollowed and disappeared.
Queries to @TwitterSupport go unanswered.
@jack

Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 08, 2019 09:44 AM (BqBId)

65 Would Mary be to upper left? Gray hair, blue robe?

Posted by: FrodoB, reloading at October 08, 2019 09:44 AM (WkmoA)

66 62 23andMe says I have the genes of an elite power athlete. . . .

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 08, 2019

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How did you get ahold of those? And do you keep them in a jar on your desk?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 09:45 AM (ClOmq)

67 I think I read somewhere that men's hair at the time of Jesus was kept cropped pretty short,...
Posted by: kraken
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Not necessarily.

Posted by: Samson at October 08, 2019 09:45 AM (U7Mh9)

68 Abbreviation of the Latin inscription above the Cross: Jesus of Nazareth, King of The Jews

An acronym for the Latin words that mean, "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews" -- the mocking term the Roman soldiers applied to Jesus on the cross. (Remember that Latin had no letter "J," just "I" -- so I N R I.)

INRI stems from the Latin phrase 'Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum' meaning 'Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews'. This was the notice Pontius Pilate nailed over Jesus as he lay dying on the cross."

Iesvs Nazarenvs Rex Ivdaeorvm.

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And the Horde delivers in spades. Ace of Spades actually.

Posted by: Beartooth at October 08, 2019 09:45 AM (duxRF)

69 More diesel-based crime in Germany. Police and media stumped over cause--suspect mental illness-related.
https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/
1181509184224989184

Posted by: andycanuck at October 08, 2019 09:46 AM (Dh1wo)

70 How did you know I have jars on my desk? Are you spying on me?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 08, 2019 09:46 AM (1ISKN)

71 The female figure may not be Mary, mother of Jesus, but Mary Magdalene, or another female disciple. I don't know if Mary participated in the burial of Jesus.

Posted by: josephistan at October 08, 2019 09:46 AM (7HtZB)

72 More diesel-based crime in Germany.>>
Anybody seen Vin lately?

Posted by: FrodoB, reloading at October 08, 2019 09:46 AM (WkmoA)

73 51 I think I read somewhere that men's hair at the time of Jesus was kept cropped pretty short, for practical reasons. Also, the robe colors were drab and not white.

Posted by: kraken at October 08, 2019 09:41 AM (90T4r)

Those may not be robes but linens.

Posted by: Someguy at October 08, 2019 09:47 AM (6GjnW)

74 an early painting, still very academic, done when goya was about 25 years old (c.1770) - almost baroque.

he becomes more of a rococo artist, then primarily of the romantic era.

Posted by: mjc at October 08, 2019 09:47 AM (Pg+x7)

75 King of the Jews

calling yourself that could get ya crucified. Just saying

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2019 09:47 AM (cEsBM)

76
61 40 The piece of paper on bottom right says INRI. What does that mean?

Posted by: Beartooth at October 08, 2019 09:39 AM (duxRF)

King of the Jews
Posted by: rhennigantx at October 08, 2019 09:44 AM (JFO2v

Acronym from the Latin for "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews". There is no letter "J" in Latin.

It was part of Jesus' mocking by the Romans and Jewish religious hierarchy to have placed that phrase on a sign with Him as He was crucified.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2019 09:47 AM (pNxlR)

77 ... in a sense, there's not much of "goya" here, save that he was very talented.

Posted by: mjc at October 08, 2019 09:48 AM (Pg+x7)

78 The angels had enuff respect for the dead that they wore their black wings

nevah gauche, dem angels

Posted by: REDACTED at October 08, 2019 09:48 AM (AQBtr)

79 INRI stems from the Latin phrase 'Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum' meaning 'Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews'. This was the notice Pontius Pilate nailed over Jesus as he lay dying on the cross."

Iesvs Nazarenvs Rex Ivdaeorvm.

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And the Horde delivers in spades. Ace of Spades actually.

Posted by: Beartooth at October 08, 2019

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Was it Pilate who directed the soldiers to do that, or was it their centurion's idea, I wonder? The soldiers might not have been literate, though the centurion might have been. Or the legion handling the detail probably had a company clerk who could have done it. (Imagine a Roman version of Radar O'Reilly --)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 09:48 AM (ClOmq)

80 Did they have body odor protection back then? I'm thinking probably not.

Posted by: dantesed at October 08, 2019 09:48 AM (88xKn)

81 "Wouldn't the artist try to capture the feel of 1st century Jerusalem rather than 15th century Europe?"

How could the artist know the feel of 1st century Jerusalem? It's not like he could turn on the TV and watch Rick Steves in Israel or saw photographs of the Holy Land in a coffeetable book. Lacking any frame of reference, he imagined the characters of the Bible to look like him and his contemporaries.

Rembrandt seems to have been conscious of the problem. He used Jews living in Amsterdam as the models for many of his Biblical pictures.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. at October 08, 2019 09:48 AM (d6Ksn)

82 Ugh, another day, another worthless shitshow in the US House of Representatives.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 08, 2019 09:49 AM (1ISKN)

83 Did they have body odor protection back then?>>
Scraped skin with oil periodically.

Posted by: FrodoB, reloading at October 08, 2019 09:49 AM (WkmoA)

84

Christ rose again.

America, not so much.

Posted by: Sads at October 08, 2019 09:49 AM (1q4O9)

85 80 Did they have body odor protection back then? I'm thinking probably not.
Posted by: dantesed at October 08, 2019 09:48 AM (88xKn)

When everyone smells, nobody smells.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. at October 08, 2019 09:49 AM (d6Ksn)

86 Ugh, another day, another worthless shitshow in the US House of Representatives.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe>>
Still an art thread comment?

Posted by: FrodoB, reloading at October 08, 2019 09:50 AM (WkmoA)

87 Goya sure did sanitize the scene. It may be just my crappy phone, but I see no evidence of the torture Our Lord suffered.

Posted by: kallisto at October 08, 2019 09:50 AM (q7oNT)

88 7 Jesus had a bar body. All curls and triceps to impress the girls at the bar, but no real leg work.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 08, 2019 09:32 AM (wzVKm)

If I remember my Sunday school properly except for the last 3 years he was a carpenter. See what your muscles look like sawing wood all day long using only hand tools. Speaking of which, how on earth did they sharpen said tools. They had to have used a stone - ugh.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at October 08, 2019 09:50 AM (kUmUV)

89 Not necessarily.
Posted by: Samson at October 08, 2019 09:45 AM (U7Mh9)

you're due for a trim

Posted by: HEDY'S HAIRCUTTERS at October 08, 2019 09:50 AM (AQBtr)

90 The piece of paper on bottom right says INRI. What does that mean?

Ask Pontious Pilate.

Posted by: JT at October 08, 2019 09:50 AM (arJlL)

91 The lighting in this work is crucial. the dead Jesus in the center held by two angels while Mary Magdalene prepares His body. The light arcs from mid-upper right to lower left. Jesus is lit up the most to draw the most attention to Him. There is also a nice line beginning at the right angel's shoulder, curving thru the body and ending in Mary's right shoulder. He then counters this line with another coming perpendicular to the arc with the lit arm of the central angel. This draws you to the two women in the upper left.

The most interesting detail, for me, is that the Virgin Mary is in total shadow. For a Catholic artist to do that, that's a big deal. Instead, she is lit by a most dim reflected light. That could have huge metaphorical significance.

The third person... John? It's hard to tell if it's male of female.

Posted by: Kris at October 08, 2019 09:50 AM (OyyDO)

92 78
The angels had enuff respect for the dead that they wore their black wings

nevah gauche, dem angels

Posted by: REDACTED at October 08, 2019 09:48 AM (AQBtr)
Noticed the black wings. Curious to the significance of black wings vs. white wings which are normally attributed to angels.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 08, 2019 09:50 AM (N39Ws)

93 A very different style than what I would expect from Goya

Posted by: josephistan at October 08, 2019 09:32 AM

looked up.his other paintings - this one is so different, and imo, more skilfully painted

maybe he really worked passionately on it

Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at October 08, 2019 09:51 AM (G546f)

94 #TwoWeeks is now #ThreeDays
Let us pray

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 08, 2019 09:51 AM (r7F4B)

95 didn't indy jones have to figure out the "i" was a clue to a puzzle instead of a "j" in "last crusade"? or something.

Posted by: mjc at October 08, 2019 09:51 AM (Pg+x7)

96 >>80 Did they have body odor protection back then? I'm thinking probably not.
Posted by: dantesed at October 08, 2019 09:48 AM (88xKn)

No, and no Macassar oil, either.

Posted by: Zod at October 08, 2019 09:51 AM (hgpSN)

97 As a kid, the first time I went to St. Louis Cathedral and looked at the Stations of the Cross panels around the walls, I had no idea what the inscriptions were saying. It was only decades later when I returned and could read the French.

In New Mexico, the Stations are labeled in the same basic terms, but in Spanish.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 09:51 AM (ClOmq)

98 What if I were to tell you there were no "whistle blowers?"

This is the MacGuffin of all McGuffin.

Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 08, 2019 09:51 AM (tJHro)

99 Speaking of stench, I am reading about America in the early 1800's... the people must have really reeked.... hygiene was not a priority then.

Posted by: kraken at October 08, 2019 09:51 AM (90T4r)

100 I used to like the Goya guanabana juice. I should get some.

Good stuff !

Posted by: JT at October 08, 2019 09:51 AM (arJlL)

101 INRI was the abbreviation for the light rail stop right before Golgotha in ancient Jerusalem.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 08, 2019 09:51 AM (ppBhU)

102
Of course it is the angels who have to do the heavy lifting ...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2019 09:52 AM (pNxlR)

103 Anxiously awaiting The Dispatch to interview Mitt Romney.

Time to hear what real conservatives say.

Posted by: jwest at October 08, 2019 09:52 AM (/roJx)

104 Of course the Lord was buffed, he had to walk everywhere! Seriously, I find it odd folks are surprised when he's depicted as particularly fit, given the times and his activities I'd be shocked if he wasn't...

Posted by: Zibdir of Zeta Reticulae at October 08, 2019 09:52 AM (AM1GF)

105 Alien sock-b-gone. Grr.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, not in the 'stan at October 08, 2019 09:53 AM (AM1GF)

106 Did they have body odor protection back then? I'm thinking probably not.

Posted by: dantesed at October 08, 2019 09:48 AM (88xKn)

patchouli inna pocket

Posted by: BignJames at October 08, 2019 09:53 AM (X/Pw5)

107 Of course it is the angels who have to do the heavy lifting ...
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2019 09:52 AM (pNxlR)

we're kinda use to it

Posted by: REDACTED at October 08, 2019 09:53 AM (AQBtr)

108 Posted by: kraken at October 08, 2019 09:43 AM (90T4r)

Happy Octopus Day to you!

Posted by: Kris at October 08, 2019 09:53 AM (OyyDO)

109 Was it Pilate who directed the soldiers to do that, or was it their centurion's idea, I wonder?
It was the equivalent of the criminal charge for which He was convicted.

Posted by: andycanuck at October 08, 2019 09:54 AM (Dh1wo)

110 101 INRI was the abbreviation for the light rail stop right before Golgotha in ancient Jerusalem.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 08, 2019

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The Romans were big on public transit, apparently? No doubt their light rail cars were as sluggish and crowded as NYC subways today.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 09:54 AM (ClOmq)

111 108 Posted by: kraken at October 08, 2019 09:43 AM (90T4r)

Happy Octopus Day to you!
Posted by: Kris at October 08, 2019 09:53 AM (OyyDO)

Why thank you!!! Will go out later and ink up the place, to celebrate!!!

Posted by: kraken at October 08, 2019 09:55 AM (90T4r)

112 92 78
The angels had enuff respect for the dead that they wore their black wings

nevah gauche, dem angels

Posted by: REDACTED at October 08, 2019 09:48 AM (AQBtr)
Noticed the black wings. Curious to the significance of black wings vs. white wings which are normally attributed to angels.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 08, 2019 09:50 AM (N39Ws)

Archangels?

Posted by: Buzzion at October 08, 2019 09:55 AM (m9+OU)

113 Damn! Them boys is ripped. Some good eatin' back in the day.

Posted by: Fritz at October 08, 2019 09:55 AM (2Mnv1)

114 Chad Pergram @ChadPergram
Gaetz says Dems are running "a kangaroo court" and Schiff is "Captain Kangaroo."
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HAHAHAHA who is Mr. Green Jeans & who is Mr. Bunny

Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 08, 2019 09:55 AM (BqBId)

115 @94

As has been said ad nauseum, this is the last so-called Inspector General report that I'm aware of, if it drops and there aren't simultaneous indictments then there never will be.

The following reports have been dropped with no resulting indictments as the DOJ declined to indict..

McCabe report: 0
Strozk report: 0
Comey report:0
FISA report: TBD

This thing has been investigated to death and for too long, which was part of the plan, frustration through investigation.

And it is also very apparent that all of the "investigations" were conducted in complete isolation and not as a conspiracy.

Now having said that, I am heartened by the perturbations that are emanating from the usual suspects, they are squawking very loudly, which could mean something or it could mean nothing other than they simply don't like Durham hauling them in for questioning.

If the FISA report is dropping on Friday and Brennan is squawking about being "interviewed" by Durham then that means that the report referred people for indictments or detailed crimes that need to be investigated and that's what has team traitor running scared and going crazy.

As they say we shall see.

Let's pray justice prevails.

Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 08, 2019 09:55 AM (tJHro)

116 Goya sure did sanitize the scene. It may be just my crappy phone, but I see no evidence of the torture Our Lord suffered.
Posted by: kallisto

Which side was pierced by the Roman spear?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 08, 2019 09:56 AM (cWLG9)

117
101 INRI was the abbreviation for the light rail stop right before Golgotha in ancient Jerusalem.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 08, 2019 09:51 AM (ppBhU)

Were city dwellers yearning for light rail even before light rail was invented? That is one of history's great imponderable questions.

Back during the few times I played Sim City in the early Aughts, when the "residents" began providing feedback that they wanted more light rail services, I'd shut them up by bulldozing away their apartment blocks. I was cruel, but fair!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2019 09:56 AM (pNxlR)

118 87
Goya sure did sanitize the scene. It may be just my crappy phone, but I see no evidence of the torture Our Lord suffered.

Posted by: kallisto at October 08, 2019 09:50 AM (q7oNT)

They took away his phone too?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 08, 2019 09:57 AM (CQ3Qb)

119 109 Was it Pilate who directed the soldiers to do that, or was it their centurion's idea, I wonder?
It was the equivalent of the criminal charge for which He was convicted.
Posted by: andycanuck at October 08, 2019

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Sure -- but who wrote the sign, I wonder? The soldiers would have known the words, but not all would have been able to write them down. Most people were happily illiterate until fairly recent times. A centurion, or maybe optio (corporal), probably would have known just enough Latin to read and write simple messages, and enough arithmetic to be able to tally up men and supplies.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 09:57 AM (ClOmq)

120 Kramer this morning was ranting about how ethical Elizabeth Warren was. Maybe I should send him some Ace posts, but doubt if it would help. He really has been talking her up lately. Ugh.

Posted by: Ever at October 08, 2019 09:57 AM (ZZDMQ)

121 >>Back during the few times I played Sim City in the early Aughts, when the "residents" began providing feedback
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2019 09:56 AM (pNxlR)

Was "wall-building" an option in the game?

How about transborder industrial mastic human flypaper arrays?

Posted by: Zod at October 08, 2019 09:58 AM (hgpSN)

122 Consider the Power of Film..... whenever my mind conjures an image of Jesus, I see Jim Caviezel, beaten and bloodied...

Posted by: kraken at October 08, 2019 09:58 AM (90T4r)

123 Seriously, I find it odd folks are surprised when he's depicted as particularly fit, given the times and his activities I'd be shocked if he wasn't...
Posted by: Zibdir of Zeta Reticulae at October 08, 2019 09:52 AM (AM1GF)

Probably the only fat people to be found in the ancient world were wealthy Romans and Greeks.

Yeah, working as a carpenter (without modern power tools) and walking all over Israel, combined with what had to be a pretty simple diet (grains, lentils, fish, sugar only in the form of honey) would mean no need for PlanetFitness.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. at October 08, 2019 09:58 AM (d6Ksn)

124 116 Goya sure did sanitize the scene. It may be just my crappy phone, but I see no evidence of the torture Our Lord suffered.
Posted by: kallisto

Which side was pierced by the Roman spear?
Posted by: rickb223 at October 08, 2019

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I'm under the impression it was the left side, near the heart.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 09:58 AM (ClOmq)

125 Let's pray justice prevails.

Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 08, 2019 09:55 AM (tJHro)

I continue to think that the reign of Jeffy Sessionzzz gave them months to obscure and destroy evidence and make sure that no people with integrity got anywhere near these investigations!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at October 08, 2019 09:58 AM (BiNEL)

126 Goya's use of light and darkness even with subdued colors helps make this painting so effective. The elements are stripped down to the essentials, keeping the focus on Christ's body and the expressions of the figures. I notice their expressions are solemn, not anguished, perhaps a true sign of faith.

One thing that appeals to me is that Christ is shown as a healthy, muscular man in his prime, not some skeletal, skinny dweeb. That makes his sacrifice even more poignant. At least in my eyes.

This may seem weird, but the basic colors, level of detail and brush work remind me of Edward Hopper.

Posted by: JTB at October 08, 2019 09:58 AM (bmdz3)

127 http://bit.ly/2LWuemR
*******
W chief of Staff Andrew Card backs impeachment

Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 08, 2019 09:58 AM (BqBId)

128 109 Was it Pilate who directed the soldiers to do that, or was it their centurion's idea, I wonder?

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It was the equivalent of the criminal charge for which He was convicted.
Posted by: andycanuck at October 08, 2019 09:54 AM (Dh1wo)

Pilate wasn't in favor of execution, but buckled to pressure from Temple authorities to try to keep peace in his province.

The soldiers were probably recruits from the region, and doing the will of the temple gladly. Odds are that the officer in charge made the sign.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at October 08, 2019 09:59 AM (J+mig)

129 101 INRI was the abbreviation for the light rail stop right before Golgotha in ancient Jerusalem.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at October 08, 2019 09:51 AM (ppBhU)

Israel has hired the (I think the company that built the new Disney World sky tram) to research building something like that.

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 08, 2019 09:59 AM (JFO2v)

130 After 100 so I'm going OT.
This clip from the Tonight show 1986 showed up in my Youtube feed for some reason and demonstrates that Elvira Mistress of the Dark has utterly perfect legs.

https://youtu.be/HyrtUmfcXAI

*bunk*

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad at October 08, 2019 09:59 AM (ySnWN)

131 The drawing on last week's bulletin depicts Jesus as a ginger. Not carrot top, but brownish red hair. I liked that.

Posted by: kallisto at October 08, 2019 09:59 AM (q7oNT)

132 INRI - Iesvs Nazarenvs Rex Ivdaeorvm

Pilate inscribed it in Latin, Greek, and Hebrew

the chief priest of the Jews said you shoulda put "I am King of the Jews" not " King of the Jews" and Pilate was all like yeah you're right, shoulda coulda woulda oh well

Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at October 08, 2019 09:59 AM (G546f)

133 art movements lasted much longer back then. a renaissance painting could be from, say, 1450-1550; a baroque painting from c.1600-1700; roccoco could cover 50 years, easily. artists would have studied and emulated earlier artists - here baroque - long after they worked.

but things speed up in the late 19th and 20th centuries, appropriately like everything else. cubism is maybe 5 years; abstract expressionism is viable maybe 10-20 years, etc.

Posted by: mjc at October 08, 2019 09:59 AM (Pg+x7)

134 60 Nos. 49 and 50 have it right. Latin also had no letter "U", only "V", as we see in comment 50. Looks darn strange to us now.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 09:43 AM (ClOmq)

That is NVTS!

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 08, 2019 10:00 AM (iuFgi)

135 131 - that's the Church bulletin

Posted by: kallisto at October 08, 2019 10:01 AM (q7oNT)

136
Was "wall-building" an option in the game?

How about transborder industrial mastic human flypaper arrays?
Posted by: Zod at October 08, 2019 09:58 AM (hgpSN)

Now, playing Deplorables' Sim City would be great fun! Especially with the options to build labor camps and to channel the zeks to work on the Greater North American Dignity Canal!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2019 10:01 AM (pNxlR)

137 119 It was the equivalent of the criminal charge for which He was convicted.
Posted by: andycanuck at October 08, 2019

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Sure -- but who wrote the sign, I wonder? The soldiers would have known the words, but not all would have been able to write them down. Most people were happily illiterate until fairly recent times. A centurion, or maybe optio (corporal), probably would have known just enough Latin to read and write simple messages, and enough arithmetic to be able to tally up men and supplies.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019

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Now that I think about it, all the writer would have to know was the initial letters of the four words, not the entire words. Anybody who "knew his letters" could probably have written "I N R I" on a piece of parchment, or carved them onto a plank. But it probably would have to be stuck in place before they levered the cross up with Jesus' body on it.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 10:01 AM (ClOmq)

138 It may be just my crappy phone, but I see no evidence of the torture Our Lord suffered.
Posted by: kallisto

Which side was pierced by the Roman spear?
Posted by: rickb223

I'm under the impression it was the left side, near the heart.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

That's what I thought too. Not seeing the piercing.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 08, 2019 10:01 AM (0t+fn)

139 >>an early painting, still very academic, done when goya was about 25 years old (c.1770) - almost baroque.

>>he becomes more of a rococo artist, then primarily of the romantic era.

When did Goya get into the bean business?

Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 10:01 AM (ZLI7S)

140 ... i.e., this painting of 1770 could be from 1670, easily.

Posted by: mjc at October 08, 2019 10:02 AM (Pg+x7)

141 Kramer this morning was ranting about how ethical Elizabeth Warren was. Maybe I should send him some Ace posts, but doubt if it would help. He really has been talking her up lately. Ugh.

Posted by: Ever at October 08, 2019 09:57 AM (ZZDMQ)

He's a tool and always has been. And a loud mouthed douchebag to boot

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 08, 2019 10:02 AM (mpeBU)

142 Now, playing Deplorables' Sim City would be great fun! Especially with the options to build labor camps and to channel the zeks to work on the Greater North American Dignity Canal!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2019 10:01 AM (pNxlR)

And to keep it realistic, a Hawaiian judge to halt everything every once in a while!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at October 08, 2019 10:02 AM (BiNEL)

143
Pilate was all like yeah you're right, shoulda coulda woulda oh well

All the while he was thinking, "Tough noogies, you stinky, filthy cock choppers".

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2019 10:03 AM (pNxlR)

144 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at October 08, 2019 10:03 AM (9gDA7)

145 Fitton made a comment on Lou Dobbs last night about him not seeing any criminal investigations out of the Horo/Dur/Barr investigations.

That'll make your blood curl.

IOW, nothing go to happen to the criminals and the traitors of our county.

I know a lot of people are saying this on this blog, but, man. What is the point of the DOJ then? At all.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 08, 2019 10:03 AM (vEIlU)

146 139 >>an early painting, still very academic, done when goya was about 25 years old (c.1770) - almost baroque."

Yeah, everybody's a critic, but how many 25 year olds could produce a painting like that today?

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. at October 08, 2019 10:03 AM (d6Ksn)

147 That's a chunky broad lower left.

I thought only Americans were fat?

Posted by: Sponge at October 08, 2019 10:03 AM (9gDA7)

148 Not what you would think of when you say "Goya." Very tense and full of pathos. I like it.

Have some coffee and the best day you can knowing that Murphy stalks the land, my Hordelings.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 08, 2019 10:03 AM (RD7QR)

149 Did Pilate also invent Pilates? Was a busy guy.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 08, 2019 10:04 AM (1ISKN)

150
Now that Ambassador Sondland isn't showing up for the Democrats Circus, Fake News is calling Sondland a "key witness."

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 08, 2019 10:04 AM (Oow6W)

151 138
It may be just my crappy phone, but I see no evidence of the torture Our Lord suffered.

Posted by: kallisto

Which side was pierced by the Roman spear?

Posted by: rickb223

I'm under the impression it was the left side, near the heart.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

That's what I thought too. Not seeing the piercing.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 08, 2019 10:01 AM (0t+fn)
You can make out the wounds in his hands. There also appears to be a wound on his upper right chest - which would be out of place for the sword wound.When you think of the scourging He endured, we aren't seeing anything near the wounds He suffered.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 08, 2019 10:04 AM (N39Ws)

152 Which side was pierced by the Roman spear?
Posted by: rickb223

I'm under the impression it was the left side, near the heart.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

I've generally seen it as the right side in the abdomen. Seems like the spot isn't in view in this piece. Interestingly enough the account in the New Testament specifies "side" but not which one.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, not in the 'stan at October 08, 2019 10:04 AM (AM1GF)

153
The piece of paper on bottom right says INRI. What does that mean?

Posted by: Beartooth at October 08, 2019 09:39 AM (duxRF)

It is a memo. It is now spelled "In Re"

Posted by: Kindltot at October 08, 2019 10:04 AM (xG/b0)

154 State Department to Democrats Kangaroo Court: Stick you subpoena in Nadler's fat belly crease.

*Sad trombone*

Posted by: Marcus T at October 08, 2019 10:05 AM (VpIIl)

155 BREAKING: Suspicious package shuts down traffic outside Supreme Court

Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 08, 2019 10:05 AM (BqBId)

156 >>I know a lot of people are saying this on this blog, but, man. What is the point of the DOJ then? At all.

Fitton has been on the Nothing Will Happen train since day 1. He likes to make out like only JW and his muscles are the true saviors and only your donations will keep him going.

Fitton is great at filing FOIA requests. His analysis leaves a lot to be desired.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 10:05 AM (ZLI7S)

157 IOW, nothing go to happen to the criminals and the traitors of our county.
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Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 08, 2019 10:03 AM (vEIlU)

Punishing traitors is apparently not who "we" are!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at October 08, 2019 10:05 AM (BiNEL)

158 It appears that 73% of the garbage in the Atlantic Ocean comes from Chinese merchant ships.

The NBA will apologize to China at a news conference this afternoon.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 08, 2019 10:05 AM (Boy/L)

159 but things speed up in the late 19th and 20th centuries, appropriately like everything else. cubism is maybe 5 years; abstract expressionism is viable maybe 10-20 years, etc.
Posted by: mjc at October 08, 2019 09:59 AM (Pg+x7)

Yep. One reason for this is the idea of the avant garde. You can only be new and fresh for so long. Once culture got used to your style, once you became "acceptable", you were no longer avant garde. Picasso, one of its high priests, forgot this truth later in life, and his later work is pretty stagnant.

Posted by: Kris at October 08, 2019 10:05 AM (OyyDO)

160 ... in fact, this goya is not much different in color range, chiaroscuro, circular composition, etc, than my luca giordano painting of c.1670-80!

Posted by: mjc at October 08, 2019 10:06 AM (Pg+x7)

161 The point of the DOJ is to whitewash DC corruption and to be used against the left's enemies when a democrat is elected.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 08, 2019 10:06 AM (1ISKN)

162 155 BREAKING: Suspicious package shuts down traffic outside Supreme Court
Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 08, 2019 10:05 AM (BqBId)

Ruthie's medical equipment?

Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at October 08, 2019 10:06 AM (G546f)

163 Yeah, everybody's a critic, but how many 25 year olds could produce a painting like that today?
Posted by: Donna&&&&V.

That's cause we're all 29 !

Posted by: JT at October 08, 2019 10:07 AM (arJlL)

164 If only JW would offer neat backpacks like the NRA does! Hey, if you act now and become a Super Dooper Eagle Liberty Freedom Endowment Life Member, you can have your choice of these fabulous gifts!

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes - the Housekeeper at October 08, 2019 10:07 AM (IttZ7)

165 Fitton is great at filing FOIA requests. His analysis leaves a lot to be desired.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 10:05 AM (ZLI7S)

I hope you're right, but so far, history is on his side.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 08, 2019 10:08 AM (vEIlU)

166 BREAKING: Suspicious package shuts down traffic outside Supreme Court
Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 08, 2019 10:05 AM (BqBId)

Ruthie's medical equipment?
Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at October 08, 2019 10:06 AM (G546f)

Ruthie.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 08, 2019 10:08 AM (Boy/L)

167
I've generally seen it as the right side in the abdomen. Seems like the spot isn't in view in this piece. Interestingly enough the account in the New Testament specifies "side" but not which one.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, not in the 'stan at October 08, 2019 10:04 AM (AM1GF)

Did someone mention "side"? I'm sure that I heard "side"! Here I am, rested, reupholstered and ready to run!

-- Shrillary "Side o' Beef" Clintoon, Candidatvs Aeternvm

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2019 10:08 AM (pNxlR)

168 And by tradition the wound was made with a lance or spear, about which so many legends have arisen it's hard to keep track of them all.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, not in the 'stan at October 08, 2019 10:09 AM (AM1GF)

169 Inri Malmsteen is quite the guitarist.

Posted by: metal health at October 08, 2019 10:09 AM (h5TKJ)

170 119 Most people were happily illiterate until fairly recent times.

Nope.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_ancient_Rome

Much was lost with the fall of Rome. IIRC, it took 1000 years to figure out how to make concrete again.

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at October 08, 2019 10:09 AM (vWMNq)

171 Much was lost with the fall of Rome. IIRC, it took 1000 years to figure out how to make concrete again.

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know

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It's no surprise that is was the Italians to rediscover it. LOL

Posted by: Tonypete at October 08, 2019 10:10 AM (Y4EXg)

172 Crucifixion was especially cruel because you would alternate between not being able to breathe and involuntarily lifting yourself to be able to breathe. Could go on for days

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 08, 2019 10:10 AM (rXmKP)

173 153
The piece of paper on bottom right says INRI. What does that mean?

Posted by: Beartooth at October 08, 2019 09:39 AM (duxRF)

It is a memo. It is now spelled "In Re"
Posted by: Kindltot at October 08, 2019

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The full memo heading: "In Re: Sedition and Treason: This is what you get. Signed, The Emperor."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 10:10 AM (ClOmq)

174 141 He's a tool and always has been. And a loud mouthed douchebag to boot
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 08, 2019 10:02 AM (mpeBU)

Kramer's latest moral posturing is over the NBA-HK fiasco. He's all over the owners, he calls "oligarchs", for not speaking up, but silent about the rest of the NBA.

Posted by: Ever at October 08, 2019 10:11 AM (ZZDMQ)

175 Much was lost with the fall of Rome. IIRC, it took 1000 years to figure out how to make concrete again.

And we only recently worked out the chemistry of the actual mix they used, which IIRC used a lot of ash from the volcanoes they shared the Italian peninsula with.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, not in the 'stan at October 08, 2019 10:11 AM (AM1GF)

176 #119 Sorry for the misunderstanding. I meant more to answer all those asking why the sign was placed in the first place and I thought your query kinda fit that topic overall but I see that it wasn't very direct of me.

I don't know about Roman literacy levels. There was an awful lot of written graffiti around so maybe senior NCOs would be expected to be semi-literate?

Posted by: andycanuck at October 08, 2019 10:11 AM (Dh1wo)

177 Much was lost with the fall of Rome. IIRC, it took 1000 years to figure out how to make concrete again.

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at October 08, 2019 10:09 AM (vWMNq)

Well, it is hard

Posted by: josephistan at October 08, 2019 10:11 AM (7HtZB)

178 Much was lost with the fall of Rome. IIRC, it took 1000 years to figure out how to make concrete again.

Detroit still doesn't know how to make lions.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, I'll be here all week. Please tip the COBs.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 08, 2019 10:11 AM (Boy/L)

179 @realDonaldTrump 4 minutes ago

I think that Crooked Hillary Clinton should enter the race to try and steal it away from Uber Left Elizabeth Warren. Only one condition. The Crooked one must explain all of her high crimes and misdemeanors including how & why she deleted 33,000 Emails AFTER getting “C” Subpoena!

Posted by: Tami - GO CARDS!!! at October 08, 2019 10:11 AM (cF8AT)

180 Let's pray justice prevails.

Been doing that for quite a while. It doesn't seem to be doing any good. The bad actors not only aren't being punished, they're rewarded with book deals and million-dollar Progda jobs.

#WASTF it isn't funny anymore.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivismisruin at October 08, 2019 10:11 AM (HaL55)

181 Yeah, this is heavily Baroque, even though Baroque faded from influence decades before (usually the ascension of Louis XV of France is given as a date for this). But up-and-coming-artists studied and copied the Old Masters to learn technique. Many artists will have works that are outside their era in their early years.

Posted by: Kris at October 08, 2019 10:12 AM (OyyDO)

182 omg Trump is still rolling!!

and trolling!

Posted by: BlackOrchidOfCollusion at October 08, 2019 10:12 AM (Rarvo)

183 >>I hope you're right, but so far, history is on his side.

No, I'm sorry it's not.

Comparing the DOJ under Holder/Lynch to this DOJ is silly. That DOJ was in fact operating as a criminal enterprise and worked extremely hard to cover up the crimes of the Obama administration at all turns.

Barr is running a real investigation without leaks and going where the real corruption happened. If he was going to cover things up we would not be talking about Trump's phone call the Ukrainian president to talk about corruption in the 2016 election. Barr, Durham and Pompeo would not be doing a world tour of the countries that participated in the coup. Horowitz would have ben shut down a long time ago.

Just because it hasn't happened on the timeline that commenters want does not mean nothing is happening. That is a logic fallacy not proof of anything.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 10:12 AM (ZLI7S)

184 ... and actually, given that giordano was the court painter to the spanish crown (charles II) from 1692-1702 and left a lot of major paintings in spain, there probably is a strong direct influence of giordano on the early goya. there's no doubt goyawould have looked at giordano.

Posted by: mjc at October 08, 2019 10:12 AM (Pg+x7)

185 @156

I will stack the efforts and results of JW over the IG and DOJ any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Without JW much of what we know simply would still be speculation.

Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 08, 2019 10:13 AM (tJHro)

186 127
http://bit.ly/2LWuemR

*******

W chief of Staff Andrew Card backs impeachment

Posted by: Derp State is in Deep Shit at October 08, 2019 09:58 AM (BqBId)

I think that's a bit overstated. He does his "reasonable moderate" schtick, hoping that the process will be taken seriously and done in a responsible way..."can't we all just get along?".

Typical rino weak sauce, but I don't see him saying that he approves what's going on. Or that he disapproves, either.

Posted by: Hierominous Botch at October 08, 2019 10:13 AM (XuBZu)

187
Sure -- but who wrote the sign, I wonder? The soldiers would have known the words, but not all would have been able to write them down. Most people were happily illiterate until fairly recent times. A centurion, or maybe optio (corporal), probably would have known just enough Latin to read and write simple messages, and enough arithmetic to be able to tally up men and supplies.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019

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Now that I think about it, all the writer would have to know was the initial letters of the four words, not the entire words. Anybody who "knew his letters" could probably have written "I N R I" on a piece of parchment, or carved them onto a plank. But it probably would have to be stuck in place before they levered the cross up with Jesus' body on it.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
.......

I have read that the Roman soldier was more literate than the average citizen. There are accounts of soldiers being given written orders.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 08, 2019 10:13 AM (438dO)

188 BREAKING: Suspicious package shuts down traffic outside Supreme Court
RBG must get her Depends delivered!

Posted by: andycanuck at October 08, 2019 10:14 AM (Dh1wo)

189 Wow, we've got rain....my lawn was getting pretty crunchy.

Posted by: BignJames at October 08, 2019 10:14 AM (X/Pw5)

190 >Well, it is hard.

>Posted by: josephistan at October 08, 2019 10:11 AM (7HtZB)

That's what she said.

Posted by: Brunnhilde at October 08, 2019 10:14 AM (R186S)

191 Many historians think that Jesus was most definitely not crucified on a cross, but on an X shaped structure.

Constantine didn't know any better because the practice hadn't been used for a few hundred years. One of the earliest symbols for Jesus is the Chi Rho which is an X with a P superimposed on it.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 08, 2019 10:14 AM (xfb67)

192 And by tradition the wound was made with a lance or spear, about which so many legends have arisen it's hard to keep track of them all.
Posted by: Brother Cavil

The Spear of Destiny.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 08, 2019 10:15 AM (0t+fn)

193 W chief of Staff Andrew Card backs impeachment

This is second only to the impending triumph of William Weld in news that matters.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 08, 2019 10:15 AM (Boy/L)

194 170 119 Most people were happily illiterate until fairly recent times.

Nope.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_ancient_Rome

Much was lost with the fall of Rome. IIRC, it took 1000 years to figure out how to make concrete again.

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at October 08, 2019

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Let me amend my comment to "Most poor people were happily illiterate until fairly recent times." The families who had tutors or could send their kids to schools, in Roman times, would have had more than two sesterces to click together. They might not have been wealthy, but they would have had resources above the bare subsistence level. So a mere legionary, a private, in the Roman army might well have been illiterate and innumerate.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 10:16 AM (ClOmq)

195 I preferred an X to a cross myself

Posted by: Zombie Ramsay Bolton at October 08, 2019 10:16 AM (rXmKP)

196 >>Without JW much of what we know simply would still be speculation.

Fortunately, Barr and Durham and Horowitz and everyone else at the DOJ looking into this don't require JW to get information they already have.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 10:16 AM (ZLI7S)

197 What 185 said.
3 years in, still waiting for Justice to do anything other than hire and protect Mueller.

Posted by: Barney Fife at October 08, 2019 10:16 AM (hskoB)

198
Was it Pilate who directed the soldiers to do that, or was it their centurion's idea, I wonder? The soldiers might not have been literate, though the centurion might have been. Or the legion handling the detail probably had a company clerk who could have done it. (Imagine a Roman version of Radar O'Reilly --)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 09:48 AM (ClOmq)

The Gospel text says that Pilate ordered it done. When the Jewish leaders complained, he replied, "What I have written, I have written." Meaning, "suck it up, buttercup."

Posted by: Cigarette Smoking Man at October 08, 2019 10:16 AM (MwFQu)

199 the "good" side of the torture and wounds Jesus received is that he died after 6 hours on the cross. Bled out, maybe.

I think some ppl say the centurion that stabbed him in the side was attempting to give a merciful death

Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at October 08, 2019 10:16 AM (G546f)

200 RBG showed for the SC opening but Thomas was out sick. Irony.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at October 08, 2019 10:17 AM (CQ3Qb)

201
I have read that the Roman soldier was more literate than the average citizen. There are accounts of soldiers being given written orders.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 08, 2019 10:13 AM (438dO)

"Latine legit quod non domine"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2019 10:17 AM (pNxlR)

202 73 51 I think I read somewhere that men's hair at the time of Jesus was kept cropped pretty short, for practical reasons. Also, the robe colors were drab and not white.

Posted by: kraken at October 08, 2019 09:41 AM (90T4r)

Might have been true of Romans but not Jews, who couldn't shave or cut their hair. Those side curls Orthodox Jews have are a way of observing the Law while permitting hair to be cut in back, but that developed in Eastern Europe centuries later.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. at October 08, 2019 10:17 AM (d6Ksn)

203 It appears that 73% of the garbage in the Atlantic Ocean comes from Chinese merchant ships.

Atlantic?

Posted by: t-bird at October 08, 2019 10:17 AM (Ry8mf)

204 191 Many historians think that Jesus was most definitely not crucified on a cross, but on an X shaped structure.

Constantine didn't know any better because the practice hadn't been used for a few hundred years. One of the earliest symbols for Jesus is the Chi Rho which is an X with a P superimposed on it.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 08, 2019 10:14 AM (xfb67)

The Chi Rho has nothing to do with what type of Cross Jesus was crucified on. They are the first two letters in the Greek form of Christ. Sometimes, the symbol is modified to Iota Chi, for Jesus Christ (in Greek).

Posted by: Kris at October 08, 2019 10:18 AM (OyyDO)

205 Much was lost with the fall of Rome. IIRC, it took 1000 years to figure out how to make concrete again.

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at October 08, 2019 10:09 AM (vWMNq)

We need to introduce Roman road building techniques to today's road construction crews. The shit they put down falls apart in minutes. Of course that's what the unions want. Roads in constant disrepair so they can get bloated contracts year in and year out

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 08, 2019 10:18 AM (mpeBU)

206 And we only recently worked out the chemistry of the actual mix they used, which IIRC used a lot of ash from the volcanoes they shared the Italian peninsula with.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, not in the 'stan at October 08, 2019 10:11 AM (AM1GF)

IIRC, I think sea water was used in the mix as well, not fresh water!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at October 08, 2019 10:19 AM (BiNEL)

207 One of the earliest symbols for Jesus is the Chi Rho which is an X with a P superimposed on it.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 08, 2019 10:14 AM (xfb67)

The Chi Ro stands for Christ, not the shape of the True Cross.

Posted by: Cigarette Smoking Man at October 08, 2019 10:19 AM (MwFQu)

208 I don't know about Roman literacy levels. There was an awful lot of written graffiti around so maybe senior NCOs would be expected to be semi-literate?
Posted by: andycanuck at October 08, 2019

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A very good point about the graffiti. A lot of it has been recovered from walls in Pompeii. No doubt the literate Pompeiians would have been posting on the equivalent of Ace of Spades HQ, had it existed.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 10:19 AM (ClOmq)

209 AFAIK the only reason Obama picked Biden as his running mate was that he wanted a retardate on the ticket. Now the media is insistent he's a statesman.

Posted by: N.L. Urker. I will urk until I can't urk anymore. at October 08, 2019 10:19 AM (Uu+Jp)

210 Wakes up.
Scratches
Looks around
Dang. Never been a Goya fan but this painting is intriguing. I'd hang it in da foya.
Goes looking for coffee.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2019 10:19 AM (axyOa)

211 191 Many historians think that Jesus was most definitely not crucified on a cross, but on an X shaped structure.

Constantine didn't know any better because the practice hadn't been used for a few hundred years. One of the earliest symbols for Jesus is the Chi Rho which is an X with a P superimposed on it.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 08, 2019 10:14 AM (xfb67)

Chi Ro is the first two letters of Christ in Greek, nothing to do with the manner of crucifixion. But it is interesting to note that the Romans, who wrote a lot about a lot, didn't write down the exact manner of crucifixion. It could have been an X, or a + or a T.

Posted by: josephistan at October 08, 2019 10:19 AM (7HtZB)

212 Prayers up for Justice Thomas, who (it is said) has the flu. I hate the flu. It's miserable.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, a low grade social fever at October 08, 2019 10:19 AM (LISuA)

213 A very good point about the graffiti. A lot of it has been recovered from walls in Pompeii. No doubt the literate Pompeiians would have been posting on the equivalent of Ace of Spades HQ, had it existed.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

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Kilroy was there?

Posted by: Tonypete at October 08, 2019 10:19 AM (Y4EXg)

214 213 A very good point about the graffiti. A lot of it has been recovered from walls in Pompeii. No doubt the literate Pompeiians would have been posting on the equivalent of Ace of Spades HQ, had it existed.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

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Kilroy was there?
Posted by: Tonypete at October 08, 2019 10:19 AM (Y4EXg)

Biggus Dickus

Posted by: josephistan at October 08, 2019 10:21 AM (7HtZB)

215 Kris, when was the letter Heta added?

[gormless smiley]

Posted by: Kindltot at October 08, 2019 10:21 AM (xG/b0)

216

An INRI, more like an OUTI.

quit yer bellyaching take yer probiotcs.

Posted by: saf at October 08, 2019 10:21 AM (5IHGB)

217 The suffering and martyrdom in this painting is representative of the challenges faced by a pregnant native american Elizabeth Warren.

Posted by: Panchito Pistoles at October 08, 2019 10:21 AM (rMZoZ)

218 Just because it hasn't happened on the timeline that commenters want does not mean nothing is happening. That is a logic fallacy not proof of anything.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 10:12 AM (ZLI7S)

I'm not talking about Obama and his administration.

I'm talking about now AND the GOP's spinelessness.

Time will tell. Barr may indeed be rooting out the evil doers. My question isn't his integrity, my question is are the perps going to be punished? That is the history I'm talking about.

We have seen so many people walk, not just obama, rice, holder, cllinton, but debbie w., lois lerner, etc.

And why hasn't this "whistleblower" been leaked? Only the Dems leak, I guess. The deep state is still protecting the traitors of the country. After Trump was elected.

I'm tired of the two-tier justice that everyone knows exists.

Let's see what Barr and company do. Just coming on TV and telling a story isn't good enough. But if the trail leads to Obama, and we all know it does, does anyone have the balls to prosecute Obama? Holder? Hillary?

Stroyk and Page are low on the totem poles. Clapper, Comey and Brennan? Fine if they finally get their just desserts, but we'll see. This goes much higher.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 08, 2019 10:21 AM (vEIlU)

219 One of the earliest symbols for Jesus is the Chi Rho which is an X with a P superimposed on it.

'X' being necessary to spell Christ.

Posted by: t-bird at October 08, 2019 10:22 AM (cfSLd)

220 there was a big anti-kavanugh demonstration (50-100 people) at the supreme court building yesterday - signs, radical speeches, dirty chants, blocking traffic - then they went over to mitch mcconnell's house to chant and put yellow police tape on his door.

the "package" found today may relate to that.

Posted by: mjc at October 08, 2019 10:22 AM (Pg+x7)

221 @196

It's fantastic that you have optimism in the AG, DOJ and SC Durham, their track record does not support that optimism.

Without JW, WE, the people, would not know any of what was speculation.

You think the DOJ was releasing Strozk texts because they love themselves some sunlight?

Posted by: Gossamer Penguin at October 08, 2019 10:22 AM (tJHro)

222
How is it that Pontius Pilate's greatest invention, pilates, was preserved and passed down to our times?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2019 10:22 AM (pNxlR)

223 A very good point about the graffiti. A lot of it has been recovered from walls in Pompeii. No doubt the literate Pompeiians would have been posting on the equivalent of Ace of Spades HQ, had it existed.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

For a good time call Caesar's Wife!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at October 08, 2019 10:22 AM (BiNEL)

224 So I'm not seeing the hysteria over Syria I saw yesterday.. A new crisis must have come out? What did I miss?

Posted by: Maxine wig hat Watters at October 08, 2019 10:23 AM (O2RFr)

225 214 213 A very good point about the graffiti. A lot of it has been recovered from walls in Pompeii. No doubt the literate Pompeiians would have been posting on the equivalent of Ace of Spades HQ, had it existed.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

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Kilroy was there?
Posted by: Tonypete at October 08, 2019 10:19 AM (Y4EXg)

Biggus Dickus
Posted by: josephistan at October 08, 2019 10:21 AM (7HtZB)

VIII VI VII - V III . IX

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2019 10:23 AM (Kpl3J)

226 I'm Nailed Right In

Posted by: Antonio at October 08, 2019 10:23 AM (NdCPY)

227 Many historians think that Jesus was most definitely not crucified on a cross, but on an X shaped structure.

He dragged an X crucifix? That would've been difficult.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 08, 2019 10:23 AM (NqZ29)

228 Trump just double dog dared Hillary to get into the 2020 Race.

Heh.

Posted by: Sharkman at October 08, 2019 10:24 AM (7cCNF)

229 Disciples I have twelve
In life's mysteries I will delve
In the desert fast with snakes
No matter what it takes

I got baptized by old man John
Back when he had his head on
Now my calling I can't refuse
King of the Jews

Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 08, 2019 10:24 AM (wzVKm)

230 223 A very good point about the graffiti. A lot of it has been recovered from walls in Pompeii. No doubt the literate Pompeiians would have been posting on the equivalent of Ace of Spades HQ, had it existed.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

For a good time call Caesar's Wife!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at October 08, 2019 10:22 AM (BiNEL)

The funny thing about this is that for many Caesars, this was not a joke.

Posted by: Kris at October 08, 2019 10:24 AM (OyyDO)

231 But it is interesting to note that the Romans, who wrote a lot about a lot, didn't write down the exact manner of crucifixion. It could have been an X, or a + or a T.
Posted by: josephistan at October 08, 2019 10:19 AM (7HtZB)

I've read that the tall crosses depicted in Western Art are a medieval invention - the Romans would not have wasted valuable wood making crosses as tall as telephone poles. You don't have to raise a guy 12 or even 4 feet off the ground to kill him. The late Fr. John Paul Neuhaus said that when Jesus spoke to his mother and John from the cross they were close to eye level.

That thought always gives me chills.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V. at October 08, 2019 10:24 AM (d6Ksn)

232 223 A very good point about the graffiti. A lot of it has been recovered from walls in Pompeii. No doubt the literate Pompeiians would have been posting on the equivalent of Ace of Spades HQ, had it existed.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

For a good time call Caesar's Wife!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at October 08, 2019

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Regarding Julius himself, it's said his soldiers referred to him, affectionately, as "Every woman's husband and every man's wife" -- implying he was doubling his chances of a date on Saturday night, as Woody Allen put it 20 centuries later.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 10:24 AM (ClOmq)

233 You're focusing too much on the Chi Rho. The fact is that Constantine decided what the cross looked like, and that was 300 years after the Crucifixion and Constantine had never seen any crucifixion.

The cross was not a Christian symbol until Constantine.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 08, 2019 10:25 AM (xfb67)

234 Atlantic?

what I thought when I read the headline too, figured it was a Vox article

Posted by: DanMan at October 08, 2019 10:25 AM (XTiHL)

235 172 Crucifixion was especially cruel because you would alternate between not being able to breathe and involuntarily lifting yourself to be able to breathe. Could go on for days
Posted by: Ignoramus at October 08, 2019 10:10 AM (rXmKP)

That's why Pilate ordered the soldiers to break the legs of the crucified, so that they would die before sunset and the start of the Sabbath. Couldn't have the dead defile the Sabbath.

Posted by: Cigarette Smoking Man at October 08, 2019 10:26 AM (MwFQu)

236 If the Roman roads had the amount and type of traffice our roads have they probably would have fell apart a lot sooner too. However, European roads do hold up and last longer than our roads primarily due to the blacktop mix we use which is dictated by corrupt politicians.

Posted by: Vic at October 08, 2019 10:26 AM (mpXpK)

237 Atlantic?

what I thought when I read the headline too, figured it was a Vox article

Don't look at me. The Canadians say so.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 08, 2019 10:26 AM (Boy/L)

238 224 So I'm not seeing the hysteria over Syria I saw yesterday.. A new crisis must have come out? What did I miss?
Posted by: Maxine wig hat Watters at October 08, 2019 10:23 AM (O2RFr)

It turned out that all the fuss was about Trump's decision to transfer 50 guys (total!!) from a battle zone in Syria back to Iraq. And some deep state republicans went crazy at the idea that Trump was threatening to end the forever war.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2019 10:26 AM (Kpl3J)

239 225 214 213 A very good point about the graffiti. A lot of it has been recovered from walls in Pompeii. No doubt the literate Pompeiians would have been posting on the equivalent of Ace of Spades HQ, had it existed.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

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Kilroy was there?
Posted by: Tonypete at October 08, 2019 10:19 AM (Y4EXg)

Biggus Dickus
Posted by: josephistan at October 08, 2019 10:21 AM (7HtZB)

VIII VI VII - V III . IX
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2019 10:23 AM (Kpl3J)

Pro tempus bonum...

Posted by: josephistan at October 08, 2019 10:27 AM (7HtZB)

240
I've read that the tall crosses depicted in Western Art are a medieval invention - the Romans would not have wasted valuable wood making crosses as tall as telephone poles. You don't have to raise a guy 12 or even 4 feet off the ground to kill him. The late Fr. John Paul Neuhaus said that when Jesus spoke to his mother and John from the cross they were close to eye level.

That thought always gives me chills.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V. at October 08, 2019

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I hadn't heard that. I always assumed that part of the tallness of the crosses (not necessarily telephone pole height, but above the reach of the average person) was to make the victim visible at a little distance, to advertise the punishment and act as a deterrent: "Look what happens when you get out of line!"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 10:27 AM (ClOmq)

241 Apparently, the wife of a US diplomat killed a Brit motorcyclist by driving on the wrong side of the road and used diplomatic immunity to leave Britain.

Lisa Dowd Sky News@LisaSkyNews
BREAKING: @skynews can reveal that the driver who hit Harry Dunn is Anne Sacoolas, 42. She' s the wife of a US diplomat, who was based at RAF Croughton, Northants. Police believe she was driving on the wrong side of the road when the crash happened.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 08, 2019 10:27 AM (+y/Ru)

242 But if the trail leads to Obama, and we all know it does

Obama is a little man in all of this, I'm afraid. The scope will be frightening.

Posted by: t-bird at October 08, 2019 10:27 AM (gHCnG)

243 * checks in

Any indictments yet?

Any?

Didn't think so.

* checks out

Posted by: Sock Monkey............brought the donuts at October 08, 2019 10:28 AM (P5m6R)

244 Without JW much of what we know simply would still be speculation.

Fortunately, Barr and Durham and Horowitz and everyone else at the DOJ looking into this don't require JW to get information they already have.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 10:16 AM (ZLI7S)

I'm not going to trash JW. They are doing good work. Some of the very few that have dug up this stuff (man hours that others did not have to do) and made it public.

Otherwise we are all in the dark and the Dems would be continuing to spew their bs on every channel other than one or two (for years) before these reports come out.

I have all of the patience in the world for the reports. Take all the time they need to get the facts. That is not, and never was an issue.

I give kudos to JW, Solomon, Carter, etc. Sure, they want to make money. How else would they sustain themselves.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 08, 2019 10:28 AM (vEIlU)

245
236 If the Roman roads had the amount and type of traffice our roads have they probably would have fell apart a lot sooner too. However, European roads do hold up and last longer than our roads primarily due to the blacktop mix we use which is dictated by corrupt politicians.
Posted by: Vic at October 08, 2019 10:26 AM (mpXpK)

If only we would adopt the practice of our Chinese betters and add melamine to the blacktop mix!

Melamine - Is There Anything It Doesn't Make Better?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2019 10:28 AM (pNxlR)

246 We have seen so many people walk, not just obama, rice, holder, cllinton, but debbie w., lois lerner, etc.

Justice delayed for so very long a time is justice denied, so this is right. Plus, there is a political impact from DOJ inaction: the lack of any discernible movement in part allowed the Democrats to take the House in 2018.

The Democrats are trying to repeat the maneuvers now, both to keep the House and to see if they can make progress on the Senate and the Presidency. I'm hoping Horowitz, Durham and Barr will make progress where Huber and Sessions failed us so utterly.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, a low grade social fever at October 08, 2019 10:28 AM (LISuA)

247 How is it that Pontius Pilate's greatest invention, pilates, was preserved and passed down to our times?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2019 10:22 AM (pNxlR)

A coptic manuscript preserved the information, unfortunately it was only discovered in the early 1700s when a library was taken, in its entirety from Egypt to France by Napoleon's expedition.

Unfortunately no action was taken on it for another one hundred and fifty years, because it was misunderstood to be a recipe book about "Kugels"

Posted by: Kindltot at October 08, 2019 10:29 AM (xG/b0)

248 Kilroy was there?
Posted by: Tonypete at October 08, 2019 10:19 AM (Y4EXg)

Biggus Dickus
Posted by: josephistan at October 08, 2019 10:21 AM (7HtZB)

VIII VI VII - V III . IX
Posted by: Tom Servo a

Don't bother knockin' if ya see the chariot rockin'

Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2019 10:29 AM (axyOa)

249 Let's see what Barr and company do. Just coming on
TV and telling a story isn't good enough. But if the trail leads to
Obama, and we all know it does, does anyone have the balls to prosecute
Obama? Holder? Hillary?

Stroyk and Page are low on the totem poles. Clapper, Comey and
Brennan? Fine if they finally get their just desserts, but we'll see.
This goes much higher.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 08, 2019 10:21 AM (vEIlU)

I'll repeat my suggestion of early this AM on the ONT (link is there), that Beck's long youtube video on the Ukraine is really worth watching.

It's a timeline of Obama administration/DNC activities in the Ukraine, leading up to the current day. All the players, all their names, links to all supporting documentation.

Posted by: Hierominous Botch at October 08, 2019 10:29 AM (XuBZu)

250 231 But it is interesting to note that the Romans, who wrote a lot about a lot, didn't write down the exact manner of crucifixion. It could have been an X, or a + or a T.
Posted by: josephistan at October 08, 2019 10:19 AM (7HtZB)

I've read that the tall crosses depicted in Western Art are a medieval invention - the Romans would not have wasted valuable wood making crosses as tall as telephone poles. You don't have to raise a guy 12 or even 4 feet off the ground to kill him. The late Fr. John Paul Neuhaus said that when Jesus spoke to his mother and John from the cross they were close to eye level.

That thought always gives me chills.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V. at October 08, 2019 10:24 AM (d6Ksn)

I drive by a large Catholic cemetery every day on my commute, and there's a life size statue group of the Crucifixion, and Jesus is just a few feet above the ground.

Posted by: josephistan at October 08, 2019 10:29 AM (7HtZB)

251 The first draft of the paper sign said, "People Called Romans, They Go The House."

The Centurian gave a Latin grammar and conjunction lesson and go it straightened out.

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 08, 2019 10:29 AM (5v5Zx)

252 Tom Servo

So no Armageddon

Posted by: Maxine wig hat Watters at October 08, 2019 10:29 AM (O2RFr)

253 233 You're focusing too much on the Chi Rho. The fact is that Constantine decided what the cross looked like, and that was 300 years after the Crucifixion and Constantine had never seen any crucifixion.

The cross was not a Christian symbol until Constantine.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 08, 2019 10:25 AM (xfb67)

The oldest depictions from the Eastern Church always used a Tau-style cross (like our capitol letter T) This makes sense in terms of carrying it; the prisoner would have carried the lateral cross beam, which then would have been lifted up and placed on top of a post which had already been set, and which was probably reused for most executions at the spot.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2019 10:30 AM (Kpl3J)

254 the Romans would not have wasted valuable wood making crosses as tall as telephone poles. You don't have to raise a guy 12 or even 4 feet off the ground

You do if you want to make a point. And it's not like everyone gets a fresh cross, sustainability being their main concern.

Posted by: t-bird at October 08, 2019 10:30 AM (Wd55D)

255
Don't look at me. The Canadians say so.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 08, 2019 10:26 AM (Boy/L)[-i]

Blackfaced, Pedophile-befriending Canadians, or other Canadians?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2019 10:30 AM (pNxlR)

256 >>Obama is a little man in all of this, I'm afraid. The scope will be frightening.

You know who has been bragging for years about creating the coup in Ukraine? Soros.

He sank well over $100 million into flipping Ukraine, a country where $100 million US is equivalent to about $1 billion.

Virginia may be for lovers but Ukraine is for money laundering.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 10:30 AM (ZLI7S)

257 That thought always gives me chills.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V. at October 08, 201

Then the story the soldiers of giving Jesus sour wine not true?

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 08, 2019 10:30 AM (NqZ29)

258
Yowsa!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2019 10:31 AM (pNxlR)

259 224 So I'm not seeing the hysteria over Syria I saw yesterday.. A new crisis must have come out? What did I miss?
Posted by: Maxine wig hat Watters at October 08, 2019 10:23 AM (O2RFr)

People are slowly realizing that

1. Arrangements have been made to help the Kurds

2. The president is keeping a promise he made awhile back

3. Nobody really cares and it doesn't really hurt the president.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 08, 2019 10:31 AM (RD7QR)

260 256 He sank well over $100 million into flipping Ukraine, a country where $100 million US is equivalent to about $1 billion.

Virginia may be for lovers but Ukraine is for money laundering.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 10:30 AM (ZLI7S)

=========

I should have taught English in the Ukraine instead of Italy...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, with that Kubrick look towards the camera at October 08, 2019 10:31 AM (q80AH)

261 A very good point about the graffiti. A lot of it has been recovered
from walls in Pompeii. No doubt the literate Pompeiians would have been
posting on the equivalent of Ace of Spades HQ, had it existed.
KVRTVS SVCKVS DICKVS COME MATER

Posted by: andycanuck at October 08, 2019 10:32 AM (Dh1wo)

262 W is a lot closer to Ellen and the Obamas than he is to us.

Same for so many Gopers.

Frauds and liars they are.

Posted by: Wut at October 08, 2019 10:32 AM (pH6td)

263 194 So a mere legionary, a private, in the Roman army might well have been illiterate and innumerate.

I'm not sure how far down it went. A legionary was a citizen in the imperial army (30BC to 476).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Roman_army

The pater familias, was responsible for the education of his children from the middle republic. The implication of the wikipedia article on this is that this included all citizens.

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at October 08, 2019 10:32 AM (vWMNq)

264 Kamala Harris@KamalaHarris
I'm proposing giving workers six months of paid family and medical leave. It's the smart thing to do and the right thing to do.

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Oh yeah, that's smart alright.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 08, 2019 10:33 AM (+y/Ru)

265 This painting offends me, mm'kay?! You need to take it down, mm'kay?! I don't need your Jesus in my face, mm'kay?! It distracts from my struggle to fight the white supremacy inherent in the HQ, mm'kay?!

Posted by: Yogapants Mcthong, pronouns xe, xim at October 08, 2019 10:33 AM (aYPAn)

266 259 224 So I'm not seeing the hysteria over Syria I saw yesterday.. A new crisis must have come out? What did I miss?

what joncelli said, plus the small size of the deployment relative to the size of Syria - this is not a big deal

lot o screaming over NOTHING

Posted by: BlackOrchidOfCollusion at October 08, 2019 10:33 AM (Rarvo)

267 So MS. Lindsey has invited Rudy to testify before his committee about his "concerns" regarding Ukraine... LOL

Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2019 10:33 AM (O2RFr)

268 >>I should have taught English in the Ukraine instead of Italy...

You coulda been an oligarch.

Or dead.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 10:33 AM (ZLI7S)

269 241 Apparently, the wife of a US diplomat killed a Brit motorcyclist by driving on the wrong side of the road and used diplomatic immunity to leave Britain

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My understanding is that she was the wife of not a diplomat but an American intelligent agent working at a RAF base who was granted diplomatic immunity per an agreement dating from the 90's, so probably a NSA spook.

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad at October 08, 2019 10:34 AM (ySnWN)

270 We should note that the X-Style cross is known as St. Andrews cross, as supposedly he was martyred that way. This is the national flag of Scotland, and also the source for the famous Confederate Battle Flag.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2019 10:34 AM (Kpl3J)

271 Kamala Harris@KamalaHarris
I'm proposing giving workers six months of paid family and medical leave. It's the smart thing to do and the right thing to do.

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Why not 9?

Posted by: SH at October 08, 2019 10:34 AM (sX1BW)

272 Are you ready for Obstruction!?

Posted by: The Media at October 08, 2019 10:34 AM (pH6td)

273 However, European roads do hold up and last longer than our roads primarily due to the blacktop mix we use which is dictated by corrupt politicians.

Something PA drivers notice every time they cross the border. (I'm especially looking at you, I-83).

Posted by: t-bird at October 08, 2019 10:34 AM (xSo9G)

274 I like the angels helping out.

Posted by: JAS at October 08, 2019 10:34 AM (DBGf/)

275
264 Kamala Harris@KamalaHarris
I'm proposing giving workers six months of paid family and medical leave. It's the smart thing to do and the right thing to do.

MOAR PHREE CHIT!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2019 10:34 AM (pNxlR)

276 269 241 Apparently, the wife of a US diplomat killed a Brit motorcyclist by driving on the wrong side of the road and used diplomatic immunity to leave Britain."

They should accept that she was, quite literally, driving on the right side of the road.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2019 10:35 AM (Kpl3J)

277 236 If the Roman roads had the amount and type of traffice our roads have they probably would have fell apart a lot sooner too. However, European roads do hold up and last longer than our roads primarily due to the blacktop mix we use which is dictated by corrupt politicians.
Posted by: Vic at October 08, 2019 10:26 AM (mpXpK)

They gotta keep their cousins who own paving companies awash in taxpayer funds, y'know.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at October 08, 2019 10:35 AM (J+mig)

278 Terrorism at a Joker screening. (I knew CNN wasn't just lying to us about the risk.)

Comicbook.com@ComicBook
Two men have been arrested at a #Joker screening for smoking and causing a disturbance:

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 08, 2019 10:35 AM (+y/Ru)

279 It turned out that all the fuss was about Trump's decision to transfer 50 guys (total!!) from a battle zone in Syria back to Iraq. And some deep state republicans went crazy at the idea that Trump was threatening to end the forever war.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2019 10:26 AM (Kpl3J)

It's never been about the number of troops. It's about removing any barrier to prevent Erdogan from attacking the Kurds and basically giving him the go ahead.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 08, 2019 10:36 AM (NqZ29)

280 Kamala Harris@KamalaHarris
I'm proposing giving workers six months of paid family and medical leave. It's the smart thing to do and the right thing to do.

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Why not 9?
Posted by: SH at October 08, 2019 10:34 AM (sX1BW)

***

I'm thinking 10. It's a good even number and works in the decimal system too.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2019 10:36 AM (axyOa)

281 Melamine - Is There Anything It Doesn't Make Better?

Microwavable dinner ware

Posted by: dagny at October 08, 2019 10:36 AM (nRWPy)

282 >>It's never been about the number of troops. It's about removing any barrier to prevent Erdogan from attacking the Kurds and basically giving him the go ahead.

Do you think he will do it before his state visit to the US on November 13th? That would seem unwise.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 10:37 AM (ZLI7S)

283 He likes to make out like only JW and his muscles are the true saviors and only your donations will keep him going.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 10:05 AM (ZLI7S)
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He ought to use those muscles to push his teeth together. JMO

Posted by: IrishEi at October 08, 2019 10:37 AM (sGotD)

284 I hadn't heard that. I always assumed that part of the tallness of the crosses (not necessarily telephone pole height, but above the reach of the average person) was to make the victim visible at a little distance, to advertise the punishment and act as a deterrent: "Look what happens when you get out of line!"
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

You wouldn't need visual distance if you lined the road into town with them.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 08, 2019 10:37 AM (0t+fn)

285
I'm thinking 10. It's a good even number and works in the decimal system too.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2019 10:36 AM (axyOa)

I'm thinking12 - the polydactyls among us have feelings, too!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2019 10:37 AM (pNxlR)

286 Noticed the black wings. Curious to the significance of black wings vs. white wings which are normally attributed to angels.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 08, 2019 09:50 AM (N39Ws)

Angels had the wings of eagles. Not many eagles with white wings is what I am thinking.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - It Is Never Time to Eat The Babies at The Outrage Outlet! at October 08, 2019 10:37 AM (hLRSq)

287
Man, I am taunting fate this AM ...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2019 10:38 AM (pNxlR)

288
MOAR PHREE CHIT!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot
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Vote buying.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 08, 2019 10:38 AM (HTHlp)

289 CDR Salamander summed things up pretty nicely:

"Unless you support our forces there indefinitely, then accept that there will never be a good time to leave. If there is never a good time, then the best time is now."

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at October 08, 2019 10:38 AM (N4xQB)

290 262 W is a lot closer to Ellen and the Obamas than he is to us.

Same for so many Gopers.

Frauds and liars they are.
Posted by: Wut at October 08, 2019 10:32 AM (pH6td)

This is as retarded as the Left's outrage at Degeneres. She was invited by Jerry Jones daughter.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 08, 2019 10:39 AM (NqZ29)

291 CDR Salamander summed things up pretty nicely:

"Unless you support our forces there indefinitely, then accept that there will never be a good time to leave. If there is never a good time, then the best time is now."

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If only the Constitution gave us a way to gauge public support for war.

Posted by: SH at October 08, 2019 10:39 AM (sX1BW)

292 Posted by: IrishEi at October 08, 2019 10:37 AM (sGotD)

Did you get a chance to watch the Ukraine video in between your cooking?

Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 10:39 AM (ZLI7S)

293 285
I'm thinking 10. It's a good even number and works in the decimal system too.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2019 10:36 AM (axyOa)

I'm thinking12 - the polydactyls among us have feelings, too!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 08, 2019 10:37 AM (pNxlR)

Why stop at one year? How about 24 months?

Posted by: josephistan at October 08, 2019 10:39 AM (7HtZB)

294 Graham says Rudy could testify before his committee regarding Ukraine.

Posted by: Wut at October 08, 2019 10:40 AM (pH6td)

295 It's never been about the number of troops. It's about removing any barrier to prevent Erdogan from attacking the Kurds and basically giving him the go ahead.

Do you think he will do it before his state visit to the US on November 13th? That would seem unwise.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 10:37 AM (ZLI7

#TwoWeeks

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 08, 2019 10:40 AM (NqZ29)

296 Kamala Harris@KamalaHarris
I'm proposing giving workers six months of paid family and medical leave. It's the smart thing to do and the right thing to do.

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Oh yeah, that's smart alright.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 08, 2019 10:33 AM (+y/Ru)

hey let's give that to the Military...That would be great and so efficient. LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2019 10:40 AM (cEsBM)

297 264 Kamala Harris@KamalaHarris
I'm proposing giving workers six months of paid family and medical leave. It's the smart thing to do and the right thing to do.
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Oh yeah, that's smart alright.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 08, 2019 10:33 AM (+y/Ru)

If you really want to have a profitable and sustainable business model, you pay employees to not work.

Posted by: Emmie at October 08, 2019 10:41 AM (i/wJA)

298 Angles are non-corporeal so any depiction of them is supposed to be symbolic. The idea behind "wings of eagles" is to emphasis that they moved fast and were not hindered by space and time.

Posted by: dagny at October 08, 2019 10:41 AM (nRWPy)

299 Huh. I've never thought of Christ as beefcake.

Don't like this one.

Posted by: creeper at October 08, 2019 10:41 AM (7JIKD)

300 @realDonaldTrump 4 minutes ago

I think that Crooked Hillary Clinton should enter the race to try and steal it away from Uber Left Elizabeth Warren. Only one condition. The Crooked one must explain all of her high crimes and misdemeanors including how & why she deleted 33,000 Emails AFTER getting c Subpoena!
Posted by: Tami - GO CARDS!

Shrillery will read that as further proof he's obsessed with her. Liawatha will read it as Trump's endorsement that she is the stronger candidate and is most worried about her.

LOL!

Posted by: LASue at October 08, 2019 10:41 AM (Ed8Zd)

301 Kamala Harris@KamalaHarris
I'm proposing giving workers six months of paid family and medical leave. It's the smart thing to do and the right thing to do.
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Oh yeah, that's smart alright.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 08, 2019 10:33 AM (+y/Ru)

Smart and right by whose standards? Not mine!

Posted by: LASue at October 08, 2019 10:42 AM (Ed8Zd)

302 It's never been about the number of troops. It's about removing any barrier to prevent Erdogan from attacking the Kurds and basically giving him the go ahead.

Do you think he will do it before his state visit to the US on November 13th? That would seem unwise.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 10:37 AM (ZLI7

*****

I wonder if the Dems realize a lot of Kurds live here.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2019 10:42 AM (axyOa)

303 Obama is a little man in all of this, I'm afraid. The scope will be frightening.

You know who has been bragging for years about creating the coup in Ukraine? Soros.

He sank well over $100 million into flipping Ukraine, a country where $100 million US is equivalent to about $1 billion.

Virginia may be for lovers but Ukraine is for money laundering.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 10:30 AM (ZLI7S)

no kidding

Again, will soros be prosecuted? His house stormed in the wee hours of the night? His financials frozen? etc

We shall see, right?

Soros is known to both Democrats and Republicans but skates on his corruption and undermining the rule of law.

Obama is not a "little man" in all of this. A nice way to say he can be overlooked. It was he and his administration, along with Jarrett, Holder, and of course Soros and the rest that did so much damage in 8 years. Left so much damage and corruption behind him to continue to do damage to the country.

And the GOP has been complicit.

Remember, they had the House at one point. All of it. And nothing.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 08, 2019 10:42 AM (vEIlU)

304 CDR Salamander summed things up pretty nicely:

"Unless you support our forces there indefinitely, then accept that there will never be a good time to leave. If there is never a good time, then the best time is now."

Either the number of troops are insignificant or we are having too many troops in an area indefinitely. I guess It all depends on what point you are trying to make at the time,

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at October 08, 2019 10:43 AM (NqZ29)

305 Here is the argument presented Last night on TuCa:
By leaving Northern Syria, Trump is saying to Turkey "OK it's yours. You will be held responsible." Turkey wants a buffer zone. Iran will not have an easy "connection" with Hezbollah. The Kurds, who are Commies, will have to cut a deal with Damascus (and Russia) for protection. The Kurds, btw, were only allies of convenience. We shared a common enemy, ISIS. They are grown-ups. They know how this works.
PDT is a genius. And he is getting some really good advice. "For the first time in 40 years, the U.S. is thinking strategically."

Posted by: JAS at October 08, 2019 10:43 AM (DBGf/)

306 @dsamuelsohn

Judge Howell posits that this could be resolved if the House would just vote to authorize an impeachment inquiry. "You'd probably rule for all of us. We'd be done," Letter says. But he notes there's no House rule, or anything in Constitution or statute, saying this is required.

Ho Ho Ho

Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 10:43 AM (ZLI7S)

307 This is the Jesus that rocked the Temple Sham Wow hard.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 08, 2019 10:43 AM (yRAFu)

308 I'm proposing giving workers six months of paid family and medical leave.

Cuts unemployment right in half!!

Posted by: dagny at October 08, 2019 10:43 AM (nRWPy)

309 I wonder about that diplomatic incident.

You have to have diplomatic immunity cover even very bad things like killing someone while drunk-driving because if not, then asshole regimes would be staging "fatal accidents" or similar caused by 'our' diplomats and staff to get rid of them or to embarrass 'our' governments. (A drunk-driving Russian killed someone here several years ago and he wasn't brought up on charges. I can't recall if the Russians punished him themselves.) But I thought between the Western allies that they either let the locals charge the perp or agree that the diplomat/staffer would serve a commensurate sentence back home after a local trial.

Maybe that'll still happen here?

Posted by: andycanuck at October 08, 2019 10:44 AM (Dh1wo)

310 Luckily it is a sunny day and I can work outside.

Drain the swamp. One man cannot do this alone.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 08, 2019 10:44 AM (vEIlU)

311 lot closer to Ellen and the Obamas than he is to us.�

Same for so many Gopers.�

Frauds and liars they are.�
Posted by: Wut at October 08, 2019 10:32 AM (pH6td)�

This is as retarded as the Left's outrage at Degeneres.�

...

Uh no it's not.

The Bushes oppose Trump and his base.

Posted by: Wut at October 08, 2019 10:44 AM (pH6td)

312 289 CDR Salamander summed things up pretty nicely:

"Unless you support our forces there indefinitely, then accept that there will never be a good time to leave. If there is never a good time, then the best time is now."
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at October 08, 2019 10:38 AM (N4xQB)

The best time to stop making a mistake is always as soon as possible.

After the destruction of ISIS, which was an emergent global threat, remaining was a mistake.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at October 08, 2019 10:44 AM (J+mig)

313 Kamala Harris@KamalaHarris
I'm proposing giving workers six months of paid family and medical leave. It's the smart thing to do and the right thing to do.
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Oh yeah, that's smart alright.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 08, 2019 10:33 AM (+y/Ru)

And...a few questions... is that for every kid? What about twins? Do those parents get 1 year off? Do Mormoms ever have to work? How often do you get medical leave? What if I plan surgeries every year?

How is this fair to childless people who have to take up the slack for the forever on leave "employees," let alone fair to the employer? Won't this result in implicit discrimination against women who are "more" likely to get pregnant and take leave?

Posted by: LASue at October 08, 2019 10:44 AM (Ed8Zd)

314 The CIA really doesn't like Presidents differing from their considered opnions and plans. Makes you wonder how much dirt does the IC have on Senators, Congressmen, Cabinet Heads?

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 08, 2019 10:45 AM (yRAFu)

315 Roman roads

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_roads#Via_munita

Marble surfaces ...

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at October 08, 2019 10:46 AM (vWMNq)

316 LOL.

I just got an update from Steve "The Spaniard" Hayes about his exciting new venture with his chubby pal Jonah.

It will be launching (broader than gmail) tomorrow.

He's announced that it will be free content. Until 1Q2020, at which time - get this - Hayes and Goldberg will be pretending that humans will be paying for the Conservative Media Ecosystem™ factory remnants they provide.

This pathetic new venture gets funnier every time I see it pop up in my email. Whichever monied Leftists are backing this grift will be sorely disappointed, if they ever thought this dismal scam could pay for itself through subscribers.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 08, 2019 10:46 AM (MsK6T)

317 >>I wonder if the Dems realize a lot of Kurds live here. Posted by: Diogenes at October 08, 2019 10:42 AM (axyOa)

15-20k. Sufficiently small to be ignored.

Or, better, ruthlessly crushed.

Posted by: Zod at October 08, 2019 10:47 AM (hgpSN)

318 >>I wonder if the Dems realize a lot of Kurds live here.

I wonder if they realize a lot of Kurds live in Turkey, like 20% of the population.

Erdogan has his own issues that go well beyond his hatred of Kurds. He's felt Donnie Two Scoops wrath over a single preacher I don't think he wants to find out what happens if he does worse.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 10:47 AM (ZLI7S)

319 Did you get a chance to watch the Ukraine video in between your cooking?
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 10:39 AM (ZLI7S)
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I finished Glenn Beck's (2) and I'm about 40 minutes into Oliver Stone's. It's excellent, and I'm quite surprised, because--Stone. Will watch the rest as I assemble the bierock appys. (There's still time! LOL)

Posted by: IrishEi at October 08, 2019 10:47 AM (sGotD)

320 ... of course, there's a lot of rubens in this painting, and rubens was an influence on giordano.

Posted by: mjc at October 08, 2019 10:48 AM (Pg+x7)

321 Saw a twitter push for paid family paternity leave, because every father deserves to "know" his child too. I have to assume that none of these people has ever met a newborn.

Posted by: dagny at October 08, 2019 10:48 AM (nRWPy)

322 Did you get a chance to watch the Ukraine video in between your cooking?

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You will only find such questions at the AOSHQ?

Posted by: SH at October 08, 2019 10:48 AM (sX1BW)

323 254 the Romans would not have wasted valuable wood making crosses as tall as telephone poles. You don't have to raise a guy 12 or even 4 feet off the ground

You do if you want to make a point. And it's not like everyone gets a fresh cross, sustainability being their main concern.
Posted by: t-bird at October 08, 2019

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Exactly. Crosses could be reused. Pull the ones with the Nazarene and the other guys down, remove the nails and the bodies, and haul the crosses back in a wagon to the storage shed for next time.

Besides, there is the detail in the Bible of the soldier giving Jesus something to drink (vinegar, I think) on a sponge. He, the soldier, puts the wet sponge on a spear and reaches it up to Jesus' lips. They weren't on a level in that case.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 10:48 AM (ClOmq)

324 Saw a twitter push for paid family paternity leave, because every father deserves to "know" his child too.

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Makes it sound like men should have a choice too.

Posted by: SH at October 08, 2019 10:49 AM (sX1BW)

325 Erdogan has his own issues that go well beyond his hatred of Kurds. He's felt Donnie Two Scoops wrath over a single preacher I don't think he wants to find out what happens if he does worse.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 10:47 AM (ZLI7S)

Yes but like many foreign leaders who hate us, he is rooting for the democrats to unseat PDT, so business as usual can resume.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2019 10:49 AM (cEsBM)

326 320 ... of course, there's a lot of rubens in this painting, and rubens was an influence on giordano.

Posted by: mjc at October 08, 2019 10:48 AM (Pg+x7)

Sandwiches, that explains why everybody was so bulked up. All of that corned beef and thousand island dressing.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - It Is Never Time to Eat The Babies at The Outrage Outlet! at October 08, 2019 10:49 AM (hLRSq)

327 320 ... of course, there's a lot of rubens in this painting, and rubens was an influence on giordano.
Posted by: mjc at October 08, 2019 10:48 AM (Pg+x7)

"We have here only five loaves and two fish! And a couple of Reubens."

And the Reubens were multiplied, yea verily.

Posted by: Zod at October 08, 2019 10:49 AM (hgpSN)

328 @dsamuelsohn

Howell presses Letter whether the House impeachment inquiry is just Ukraine focused. He replies that it is not. "Right now the media is focusing on that," he said.

Yes, it's really not all about Ukraine.

Gonna need a bigger Big Top for all these clowns.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 10:50 AM (ZLI7S)

329 Oh my.

New Hill-Harris poll regarding African American preferences in 2020. The headline says overwelming black support (85%) for generic Dem over Trump.

So trump is getting 15%! Nice. I think that's up from 8% in 2016.

But that's not even best part. The story buried the lead.

Looking at the actual poll results, Black males go for Donald Trump by 32%!!! Whoa Nelly.

So how did they turn 32% into 15% you may ask? They had to oversample Black females by a 2 to 1 margin.

If you correct for the female oversampling to a normal 50/50 split, Trump gets 20% of the black vote.

Game over, man. Game over.

Posted by: WisRich at October 08, 2019 10:51 AM (G0vdT)

330 puts the wet sponge on a spear

Not on a spear but on a branch of hyssop. The hyssop is the same plant as used to put the blood of the lamb on the hebrew's doors to avoid the angle of death in the exodus narrative. The old testament presages the new, the new fulfills the old.

Posted by: dagny at October 08, 2019 10:51 AM (nRWPy)

331 328 @dsamuelsohn

Howell presses Letter whether the House impeachment inquiry is just Ukraine focused. He replies that it is not. "Right now the media is focusing on that," he said.

Yes, it's really not all about Ukraine.

Gonna need a bigger Big Top for all these clowns.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 10:50 AM (ZLI7S)

The more scatter-shot they are the worse it plays.

So I encourage them to put in their all of their butt-hurt.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - It Is Never Time to Eat The Babies at The Outrage Outlet! at October 08, 2019 10:51 AM (hLRSq)

332 Something about Marys

Whichever Mary is supposed to be at Jesus' feet here, it was not Mary Magdalene (nor mother Mary), but Mary, sister of Lazarus (the raised-up guy), who had anointed Jesus' feet. The three were apparently old friends of Jesus.

"Now a certain man was sick, named Lazarus, of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha. (It was that Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.) Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick." -John 11

Posted by: Public Serface Announncemmennt at October 08, 2019 10:52 AM (fBape)

333 Roman roads

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_roads#Via_munita

Marble surfaces ...

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at October 08, 2019 10:46 AM

What have the bloody Romans ever done for us? (Modern medicine!) Alright other than that? (architecture!) Alright Other than that! (plumbing!) Best Python bit IMHO.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 08, 2019 10:53 AM (0W3mK)

334 Wonder how black men are feeling about seeing unfair prosecution by the state (and people like Schiff, Schumer, Nadler) without evidence. Wonder if anyone extrapolates from that?

Posted by: dagny at October 08, 2019 10:53 AM (nRWPy)

335 "The three were apparently old friends of Jesus." I said. By whom I meant Laz, Mary, and their sister Martha.

MARTHA! WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME? -Batman

Posted by: mindful webworker not mindful enough of the nic - sheesh! at October 08, 2019 10:53 AM (fBape)

336 Howell presses Letter whether the House impeachment inquiry is just Ukraine focused. He replies that it is not. "Right now the media is focusing on that," he said.

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But we'll think up other lies later.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 08, 2019 10:54 AM (+y/Ru)

337 263 194 So a mere legionary, a private, in the Roman army might well have been illiterate and innumerate.

I'm not sure how far down it went. A legionary was a citizen in the imperial army (30BC to 476).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Roman_army

The pater familias, was responsible for the education of his children from the middle republic. The implication of the wikipedia article on this is that this included all citizens.

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at October 08, 2019

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As I understood it, after the career of Marius, about 100 BC, the soldiers needed no property qualification to join the army -- they could well have been poor rabble joining to receive land grants on discharge, gold from foreign adventures, or both. And I think under the Empire, soldiers received citizenship on discharge. Of course, later still Caracalla made everybody in the Empire a citizen so the Empire could collect taxes from more people.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 10:54 AM (ClOmq)

338 >>to avoid the angle of death

In the isosceles stance, the "angle of death" is the angle formed by the forearms of the shooter meeting at the shooter's hands as they grasp the firearm. This "angle of death" is not applicable in the Weaver stance.

Posted by: Zod at October 08, 2019 10:54 AM (hgpSN)

339 ... of course, there's a lot of rubens in this painting, and rubens was an influence on giordano.
Posted by: mjc at October 08, 2019 10:48 AM (Pg+x7)

"We have here only five loaves and two fish! And a couple of Reubens."

And the Reubens were multiplied, yea verily.
Posted by: Zod

Thanks to Katz's Delicatessen. .

Posted by: rickb223 at October 08, 2019 10:55 AM (0t+fn)

340 No doubt people in ancient Rome were in general better off and more widely literate than people were in the centuries to follow.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 10:55 AM (ClOmq)

341 rubens and goya, corned beef and beans

21st century fusion cuisine.

Posted by: mjc at October 08, 2019 10:55 AM (Pg+x7)

342 Now that I think about it, all the writer would have to know was the initial letters of the four words, not the entire words. Anybody who "knew his letters" could probably have written "I N R I" on a piece of parchment, or carved them onto a plank. But it probably would have to be stuck in place before they levered the cross up with Jesus' body on it.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 10:01 AM (ClOmq)

There is a very curious and mostly ignored artifact in an ancient Roman Church known as the "Titulus Crucis". It purports to be about 1/4 of the original inscription over the cross, and the Church in possession of it trace their ownership back to Helena, the mother of Constantine, who famously scoured Jerusalem and surrounding areas for artifacts in the 4th century.

The Argument in favor - It is in long form, and is in 3 languages, which is mentioned in the Gospel account, but never shown in most depictions. The first line, mostly destroyed, was probably Aramaic; the second line was in Greek, and the third line was in Latin, the latin inscription reading: Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum, hence the abbreviation "INRI". (the N is not usually explained) It closely matches a description of a similar item described in a 6th century text.

the argument against - a radio carbon test recently dated the wood to about 1000 AD; BUT it is possible that after 1000 years, with the original artifact crumbling to dust, the caretakers chose to make a perfect copy and not say much about it. I'm inclined to believe this, because in all respects, it appears to match what the actual title board would have looked like, and not the common depiction of that it would have looked like.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2019 10:55 AM (Kpl3J)

343 Now do avenging angle and guardian angle. My notes are full of all kinds of active angles.

Posted by: dagny at October 08, 2019 10:56 AM (nRWPy)

344 @realDonaldTrump 23 minutes ago

Someone please tell the Radical Left Mayor of Minneapolis that he can't price out Free Speech. Probably illegal! I stand strongly & proudly with the great Police Officers and Law Enforcement of Minneapolis and the Great State of Minnesota! See you Thursday Night!

@realDonaldTrump

Get your great T-Shirts, "Cops for Trump," at http://WWW.MPDFEDERATION.COM REALLY NICE! Thank you to Minneapolis Police Officers & Union! @foxandfriends

Posted by: Tami - GO CARDS!!! at October 08, 2019 10:56 AM (cF8AT)

345 W is a lot closer to Ellen and the Obamas than he is to us.

Same for so many Gopers.

Frauds and liars they are.
Posted by: Wut at October 08, 2019 10:32 AM (pH6td)

After being vilified as THE WORST THING EVER and BushHitler for 8 years he doesn't seem to have any problem cozying up with that side

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 08, 2019 10:56 AM (kw5n8)

346 >>the Roman army

Centurion Hartmanus:

"Your other dex, Pylus, your other dex!"

"This is my pilum! There are many like it but this one is mine!"

Posted by: Zod at October 08, 2019 10:57 AM (hgpSN)

347
So how did they turn 32% into 15% you may ask? They had to oversample Black females by a 2 to 1 margin.

If you correct for the female oversampling to a normal 50/50 split, Trump gets 20% of the black vote.

Game over, man. Game over.
Posted by: WisRich at October 08, 2019 10:51 AM (G0vdT)

When someone pushes back on their sampling, I'm gonna laugh when they give the excuse that they oversampled black women because most black men are felons and therefore, not able to vote.

Which of course, isn't true. But it'll be fun to watch the poll trolls squirm.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 08, 2019 10:57 AM (veoSD)

348 What have the bloody Romans ever done for us? (Modern medicine!) Alright other than that? (architecture!) Alright Other than that! (plumbing!) Best Python bit IMHO.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 08, 2019 10:53 AM (0W3mK)

The roads go without saying

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 08, 2019 10:58 AM (kw5n8)

349 It took 1,000 years for food security to get back to what there was during the Roman Empire.

Posted by: JAS at October 08, 2019 10:58 AM (DBGf/)

350 Was just reading a very interesting graph of different pro sports leagues and how their fan bases vote. WNBA, MLS, and WWE were the most left, while PGA, NHL, and NASCAR were the most right. MLB leaned right and NBA leaned left, while NFL was a true battleground.

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at October 08, 2019 10:58 AM (N4xQB)

351 My goodness.. Evidently they weren't starving in that picture

Posted by: It's me donna at October 08, 2019 10:58 AM (O2RFr)

352 Jesus had a bar body. All curls and triceps to impress the girls at the bar, but no real leg work.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 08, 2019 09:32 AM (wzVKm)

WWJB

What would Jesus bench?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 08, 2019 10:58 AM (ZYB2s)

353 330 puts the wet sponge on a spear

Not on a spear but on a branch of hyssop. The hyssop is the same plant as used to put the blood of the lamb on the hebrew's doors to avoid the angle of death in the exodus narrative. The old testament presages the new, the new fulfills the old.
Posted by: dagny at October 08, 2019 10:51 AM (nRWPy)

The Gospel of John has a hyssop branch, while Matthew & Mark have a sponge on a staff

Posted by: josephistan at October 08, 2019 10:59 AM (7HtZB)

354 >>WNBA...the most left

This is a shame. The 417 fans of WNBA could be the swing vote in a Wyoming county!

Posted by: Zod at October 08, 2019 10:59 AM (hgpSN)

355 Was just reading a very interesting graph of different pro sports leagues and how their fan bases vote. WNBA, MLS, and WWE were the most left, while PGA, NHL, and NASCAR were the most right. MLB leaned right and NBA leaned left, while NFL was a true battleground.

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I guess we can give the left the WNBA and MLS. If you call those sports leagues.

Posted by: SH at October 08, 2019 10:59 AM (sX1BW)

356 @realDonaldTrump 23 minutes ago

Someone please tell the Radical Left Mayor of Minneapolis that he can't price out Free Speech. Probably illegal! I stand strongly & proudly with the great Police Officers and Law Enforcement of Minneapolis and the Great State of Minnesota! See you Thursday Night!

@realDonaldTrump

Get your great T-Shirts, "Cops for Trump," at http://WWW.MPDFEDERATION.COM REALLY NICE! Thank you to Minneapolis Police Officers & Union! @foxandfriends
Posted by: Tami - GO CARDS!!! at October 08, 2019 10:56 AM (cF8AT)
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When I click on it I get - This account has been suspended.

Posted by: jhawk90 at October 08, 2019 11:00 AM (Xvo1a)

357 Was just reading a very interesting graph of different pro sports leagues and how their fan bases vote. WNBA, MLS, and WWE were the most left, while PGA, NHL, and NASCAR were the most right. MLB leaned right and NBA leaned left, while NFL was a true battleground.
Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at October 08, 2019 10:58 AM (N4xQB)

That's all about how I'd expect except for the WWE. Gratuitious displays of hyper masculinity and scantily clad women doesn't seem like something leftists would be interested in watching.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 08, 2019 11:00 AM (KUaJL)

358 337 And I think under the Empire, soldiers received citizenship on discharge.

They certainly received land grants but the legionaries were all citizens going in.

There were about 5 tiers in Roman society, the top being full citizens. The ones from landed families were all educated. I don't think all families owned land so you are probably right.

Incidentally, some military service was required for the top political offices.

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at October 08, 2019 11:00 AM (vWMNq)

359 >>What would Jesus bench?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 08, 2019 10:58 AM (ZYB2s)

The question is, "who would Jesus bench?"

The answer is Thomas.

Starting lineup: Peter, Paul, Mark, Luke, John.

Posted by: Zod at October 08, 2019 11:00 AM (hgpSN)

360
Well, as always - polls are horseshit. But I expect a 15% black breakout for Trump, which paired with the low black turnout I also predict, is enough to do critical damage to the Dem nominee. So this one roughly lines up with my expectations.

Good luck with that, douchebags.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 08, 2019 11:00 AM (ggmC1)

361 Was just reading a very interesting graph of different pro sports leagues and how their fan bases vote. WNBA, MLS, and WWE were the most left, while PGA, NHL, and NASCAR were the most right. MLB leaned right and NBA leaned left, while NFL was a true battleground.

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What about the PBA fans?

Posted by: SH at October 08, 2019 11:00 AM (sX1BW)

362 332 Something about Marys

Whichever Mary is supposed to be at Jesus' feet here, it was not Mary Magdalene (nor mother Mary), but Mary, sister of Lazarus (the raised-up guy), who had anointed Jesus' feet. The three were apparently old friends of Jesus.

"Now a certain man was sick, named Lazarus, of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha. (It was that Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.) Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick." -John 11
Posted by: Public Serface Announncemmennt at October 08, 2019 10:52 AM (fBape)

Jesus had his feet washed twice. Here and in Luke 7. Although Luke doesn't name her, tradition states this is Mary Magdalene. Artists would have used tradition. The painting could show Mary, sister of Lazarus, sure, but Mary Magdalene was mentioned as being at the crucifixion and among one of the main mourners. She is also the first to see the Risen Christ. I'm thinking Goya is going with the more obvious of the two.

Posted by: Kris at October 08, 2019 11:00 AM (OyyDO)

363 Jesus had a bar body. All curls and triceps to impress the girls at the bar, but no real leg work.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 08, 2019 09:32 AM (wzVKm)

He carried all the sin in the world. Got to be buff for that.

Posted by: Roy at October 08, 2019 11:01 AM (cD09y)

364 334 Wonder how black men are feeling about seeing unfair prosecution by the state (and people like Schiff, Schumer, Nadler) without evidence. Wonder if anyone extrapolates from that?
Posted by: dagny at October 08, 2019 10:53 AM (nRWPy)

I've long thought that PDT should have surrogates talk about the "dirty cops", like comey/mccabe, coming after him. I don't think he can do that bc he doesn't want to inflame the real cops that support him, but others could and should, imo. Lots of ppl, of all ethnicities, can relate.

Posted by: Ever at October 08, 2019 11:01 AM (ZZDMQ)

365 As I understood it, after the career of Marius, about 100 BC, the soldiers needed no property qualification to join the army -- they could well have been poor rabble joining to receive land grants on discharge, gold from foreign adventures, or both. And I think under the Empire, soldiers received citizenship on discharge. Of course, later still Caracalla made everybody in the Empire a citizen so the Empire could collect taxes from more people.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 10:54 AM (ClOmq)

Social mobility was extremely rare at the time. Being able to go from peasant to landed citizen through military service would have been a huge draw.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at October 08, 2019 11:02 AM (J+mig)

366 Get your great T-Shirts, "Cops for Trump," at http://WWW.MPDFEDERATION.COM REALLY NICE!

I think he crashed their website. I got a 'site can't be reached' message but...my computer has been funky this morning so could just be me.

Anyone else try?

Posted by: Tami - GO CARDS!!! at October 08, 2019 11:02 AM (cF8AT)

367 There is a very curious and mostly ignored artifact in an ancient Roman Church known as the "Titulus Crucis". It purports to be about 1/4 of the original inscription over the cross, and the Church in possession of it trace their ownership back to Helena, the mother of Constantine, who famously scoured Jerusalem and surrounding areas for artifacts in the 4th century.

The Argument in favor - It is in long form, and is in 3 languages, which is mentioned in the Gospel account, but never shown in most depictions. The first line, mostly destroyed, was probably Aramaic; the second line was in Greek, and the third line was in Latin, the latin inscription reading: Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum, hence the abbreviation "INRI". (the N is not usually explained) It closely matches a description of a similar item described in a 6th century text.

the argument against - a radio carbon test recently dated the wood to about 1000 AD; BUT it is possible that after 1000 years, with the original artifact crumbling to dust, the caretakers chose to make a perfect copy and not say much about it. I'm inclined to believe this, because in all respects, it appears to match what the actual title board would have looked like, and not the common depiction of that it would have looked like.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2019

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I'm a little suspicious. It would have taken some time to carve or even write the inscription in 3 separate languages, even had they found someone who knew enough of all three tongues. If they ended up tacking the board to the cross below Jesus' feet, they could have done the sign a little later, while he was hanging there and still breathing. But if they wanted to nail it up above his head, they'd have best done that before levering the cross up into place. So they nail the Nazarene into place, then let him lie horizontal while the sign is readied?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 11:02 AM (ClOmq)

368
That's all about how I'd expect except for the WWE. Gratuitious displays of hyper masculinity and scantily clad women doesn't seem like something leftists would be interested in watching.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 08, 2019 11:00 AM (KUaJL)

That surprised me as well, especially given Trump's past involvement

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at October 08, 2019 11:02 AM (N4xQB)

369 I don't think he can do that bc he doesn't want to inflame the real cops that support him, but others could and should, imo. Lots of ppl, of all ethnicities, can relate.

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Seems like there is a way for him to do this. Dirty cops give good cops a bad name. Focus on dirty cops at the top. Not rank and file dirty cops.

Posted by: SH at October 08, 2019 11:02 AM (sX1BW)

370 340 No doubt people in ancient Rome were in general better off and more widely literate than people were in the centuries to follow.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 10:55 AM (ClOmq)

If you go to YouTube there is a channel called Invicta. They do a series of "how they did it" for some cultures. I think I've seen them do stuff under that on the Aztecs. But their bread and butter does seem to be Ancient Rome. For instance last month they had a "growing up Roman " video. They have also done how they told time, how they did elections and even how they had pet dogs.

You want to see that we're not much different than we were 2 thousand years ago watch the video on pet dogs in Rome. https://youtu.be/Vxlci1d2rOg

Posted by: Buzzion at October 08, 2019 11:02 AM (m9+OU)

371
After being vilified as THE WORST THING EVER and BushHitler for 8 years he doesn't seem to have any problem cozying up with that side

Posted by: TheQuietMan at Octobe

Exactly. The Bushes have praised the Obamas too.

They are like Romney.

Posted by: Wut at October 08, 2019 11:03 AM (pH6td)

372 I just coughed coffee over two different monitors and a telephone. Oh, and the document I'm editing. And in case you're still reading this, nood chimp.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at October 08, 2019 11:03 AM (RD7QR)

373 They are like Romney.

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Other than winning 3 presidential elections.

Posted by: SH at October 08, 2019 11:03 AM (sX1BW)

374 Noodus simianus minor

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 11:04 AM (ClOmq)

375 Incidentally, some military service was required for the top political offices.
Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at October 08, 2019 11:00 AM (vWMNq)

That's probably a thing we should bring back.

And you shouldn't be eligible to serve more years in office than you served in the military.

A 20 year career gives you 20 years of eligibility for national office, use it wisely.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at October 08, 2019 11:04 AM (J+mig)

376 Judge asks House lawyer if trump needs to have committed a crime to be impeached.

He said no.

Posted by: Wut at October 08, 2019 11:05 AM (pH6td)

377
Jesus has some guns in that painting.

Speaking of which, just bought one of the IMI Jericho 941F 9mms from Classic Arms this morning. Israeli police turn-in, SA only, has the extra Jooey police star markings. Should be in to my LGS by end of the week.

I'll have it with me at the TXMoMee later this month.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 08, 2019 11:05 AM (veoSD)

378 365 Social mobility was extremely rare at the time.

In Rome it was common to free slaves who went on to own largish businesses.

Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at October 08, 2019 11:06 AM (vWMNq)

379 >>Judge asks House lawyer if trump needs to have committed a crime to be impeached.

>>He said no.

Well that's a novel theory. Let's see if it works, Cotton.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2019 11:07 AM (ZLI7S)

380 I'm a little suspicious. It would have taken some time to carve or even write the inscription in 3 separate languages, even had they found someone who knew enough of all three tongues. If they ended up tacking the board to the cross below Jesus' feet, they could have done the sign a little later, while he was hanging there and still breathing. But if they wanted to nail it up above his head, they'd have best done that before levering the cross up into place. So they nail the Nazarene into place, then let him lie horizontal while the sign is readied?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 11:02 AM (ClOmq)

Greek and Aramaic are effectively regional vernacular, anyone with more education or affiliated with Rome would know Latin.

Posted by: Someguy at October 08, 2019 11:07 AM (6GjnW)

381
Shit. Did I just get willowed?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 08, 2019 11:07 AM (veoSD)

382 The Romans would post the crime above the crucified. "Thief" for example. Or, "Rebel" as Jesus might have been labeled (even though Pilate clearly knew he wasn't).

Pilate posted "King of the Jews" above Jesus, because that was the crucial charge the Jewish rulers had brought, and boxed Pilate into convicting him on ("washed his hands" indeed!), even though such wasn't breaking any Roman law.

The Jews would not have liked to see "King of the Jews" posted publicly, prominently, as if he were the INRI, so that was the coward Pilate's petty revenge.

And it would have been written out, possibly in several languages (Greek and Aramaic as well as Latin), not just the Latin acronym usually seen in art.

Oh yeah, monkey's up.

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=383637

Posted by: mindful webworker not mindful enough of the nic - sheesh! at October 08, 2019 11:08 AM (fBape)

383 I'm a little suspicious. It would have taken some time to carve or even write the inscription in 3 separate languages, even had they found someone who knew enough of all three tongues. "

Gospel of John 19:20 - 19 Pilate had a notice prepared and fastened to the cross. It read: jesus of nazareth, the king of the jews. 20 Many of the Jews read this sign, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and the sign was written in ARAMAIC, LATIN and GREEK. 21 The chief priests of the Jews protested to Pilate, "Do not write 'The King of the Jews,' but that this man claimed to be king of the Jews."

22 Pilate answered, "What I have written, I have written."

Note that of all the Gospel writers, John is the only one of them that the Gospels themselves say was personally present at the Crucifixion.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2019 11:09 AM (Kpl3J)

384 VIII VI VII - V III . IX
Posted by: Tom Servo

. . . ienni

Well done, Tom.

Posted by: Sharkman at October 08, 2019 11:09 AM (7cCNF)

385 No, it's not the 1st time the US has thought strategically in 4O years. And no, it's not a "mistake" to keep a presence in an area where you have likely threats, and potential/actual partners/proxies to help with them. When it can be done with low cost/risk, and we're not engaging in combat.

The hyperbole - and ignorance - that accompany every reaction to every policy move are getting more and more spectacular.

The baseless hysteria of those freaking out over the movement of a few dozen operators a few miles does not call for reciprocal cluelessness.

Trump's tweets today are a good addition to what he put out previously. There was also a WH background press call that's available online that was good.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 08, 2019 11:09 AM (QDnY+)

386 130
This clip from the Tonight show 1986 showed up in my Youtube feed
for some reason and demonstrates that Elvira Mistress of the Dark has
utterly perfect legs.

https://youtu.be/HyrtUmfcXAI

*bunk*

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad at October 08, 2019 09:59 AM (ySnWN)

I've always liked her. She's funny, doesn't take herself seriously and oddly, I think she's gotten far more attractive out of the makeup the older she gets. Plus anything with Vincent Price gets my approval.

Posted by: TheHoser at October 08, 2019 11:14 AM (IDjUx)

387 The inscription, INRI, over Jesus head was actually an early form of texting. Kind of like saying LOL or RUKM. In this case, it was a secret message from Jesus to his disciples that they wouldn't really understand for another three days...

INRI: I'm Not Really Imperiled

Posted by: red speck at October 08, 2019 11:16 AM (nrC0n)

388 340
No doubt people in ancient Rome were in general better off and more widely literate than people were in the centuries to follow.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 10:55 AM (ClOmq)

Not necessarily. Now the most popular theory regarding the Roman collapse is not that "civilization collapsed" when Rome did. What they now say is that when Rome withdrew back to Rome itself that civilization continued as separate cities and States. And that there were no so-called "dark ages". Just that there was a break down in communication and documentation. There is a lot of such evidence for that in Great Britain after the Romans withdrew. And then the Saxons invaded.

Posted by: Vic at October 08, 2019 11:19 AM (mpXpK)

389 That's all about how I'd expect except for the WWE. Gratuitious displays of hyper masculinity and scantily clad women doesn't seem like something leftists would be interested in watching.

On the other hand, it's completely fake, so...

Posted by: t-bird at October 08, 2019 11:22 AM (VP1E6)

390 Gospel of John 19:20 - 19 Pilate had a notice prepared and fastened to the cross. It read: jesus of nazareth, the king of the jews. 20 Many of the Jews read this sign, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and the sign was written in ARAMAIC, LATIN and GREEK. 21 The chief priests of the Jews protested to Pilate, "Do not write 'The King of the Jews,' but that this man claimed to be king of the Jews."

22 Pilate answered, "What I have written, I have written."

Note that of all the Gospel writers, John is the only one of them that the Gospels themselves say was personally present at the Crucifixion.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 08, 2019

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Well, darn. Why didn't somebody say this whistleblower John had first-hand information?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 08, 2019 11:23 AM (ClOmq)

391 I don't think the artist was comfortable with his ability to paint hands.

Posted by: It's the seriousness of the charge at October 08, 2019 11:41 AM (KoBpR)

392 Hey you need some Order Eats your feet smell like dead skunk

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at October 08, 2019 04:35 PM (wGqjj)

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