The Occasional Fishing and Hunting Thread [Bandersnatch]

Welcome Piscators and Piscatrixes - and this time Nimrods and Nimrettes -- to the current installment of the occasional fishing and hunting thread. In fact, we may broaden this to camping, hiking, orienteering, and other worthwhile pursuits of the rugged outdoors. (If you talk about playing your PS4 in the woods, though, you're banned.).

This is Bonefish Bradley, or so he called himself. He's a guide on Andros in the Bahamas. Or was. Who knows what Dorian did. Anyway, I wanted to use this as a jumping off point to talk about guides and guiding. Guides are whores.

Huh. I guess that’s all there is to say about that.

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I have a friend from fishing circles who has moved on to wildlife photography, which has some interesting overlaps with fishing and hunting. Here's a picture he took of a ~~wolf~~ Eastern coyote.

(click for a bigger puppy)

So, this guy - his name is Doug Burgess but he doesn't do self promotion so don't look for a website - has been taking fantastic pictures of critters from mostly the North Shore of Massachusetts. You get wild dogs, owls of various sorts (the way owls match their coloring to the bark of the trees they hole up in is uncanny), unusual looking fox kits, herons spearing unfortunate frogs, and sundry other fauna.

What reminds me of fishing is the tension between the desire to share and the danger of burning the spots. He'll find a litter of foxen and follow them and then people will get enough context clues (or someone he trusted will blab) and then the secret is ruined.

So, hunting...

I have done some hunting but only as much as I could figure out on my own, and that's not enough. I have paddled through marshes with a shotgun across my lap attempting to murder waterfowl. It worked sometimes. What's frustrating is that animals know hunting regs cold. Deer disappear on opening day. Up in the marsh when your kayak rounds a bend a duck will take off in terror from 50 yards away. Back at the dock next to the road a dozen mallard dinners will swim about and scoff at you.

During my fowling years I had a friend who is a chef and I'd bring her things, fish or fowl, and she'd try to figure out how to cook them. Some were successful and some less so. P.J. O'Rourke wrote something like "ducks that eat vegetation are delicious, ducks that eat fish taste like fish that's been eaten by a duck." He was on to something. Even a Cordon Bleu trained chef could not make sea ducks with teeth edible. I also made my own attempt at cooking the couple of grouse I kilt, but they're small and dry.

What I really want to do is kill Bambi. And I want to kill Bambi with my father's deer rifle. Massachusetts (where I was) is shotgun only, so I tried New Hampshire. Again, deer are freaking Einstein about hunting seasons and public land. Connecticut (where I next was) was shotgun only except on private land with landowner's permission. Which would mean knowing landowners out there where deer are. Not really me.

The thing about fishing is that it's easy to get someone to take you. It's usually a day trip, it's not much inconvenience, and if you're interested in getting started it's not hard to find someone to show you the ropes. Hunting is this weird tribal thing. People go to deer camp with their grandfather or their uncles every year. You're not going to get invited to someone's deer camp. They're drinking bourbon over a fire and reminiscing about things that are none of your business.

I still want to figure out deer hunting on my own.

Here's some quick camping content:

See that #2? That means they think it's a two man tent. Tent designers are odd people. For two people to share that tent they'd have to love each other awfully much, and if they did there isn't enough room to do anything about it. Likewise, a 3 man tent is the perfect size for two people.

Now for the fish brag pics. I was neglectful in begging for reader submissions, so this week's are scant.

Remember how we've had a couple of sturgeon pics and I've called them dinosaurs? Well, Mark Y came up with spoonbills:

Dunno if this fish has ever been discussed.
Primitive. Cartilaginous. Generally tasty. Stiff enough flesh to grill.
Can only snag them in Mo.waters, so it's a chore, but the payoff is huge.
Old pic, but son#2 about 20 years ago.
The female went 85#, and was full of roe.

…and then…

My son pointed out the first pic was of the smaller spoonbill! He thinks 45-50#.
The attached was the big one... 85#.
I'd forgotten probably because it wasn't me that caught them. Same week, I believe.

Next time I want one of you Morons to submit a coelacanth.

And with that we move on to the raison d'etre of this here HQ, the comments section. Brickbats, praise, and fish brag pics are welcome at aoshqfish at sign gmail thing.

Posted by: CBD at 07:30 PM

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1 Fisht!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 14, 2019 07:30 PM (kQs4Y)

2 Jeebus, those spoonbills.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 14, 2019 07:32 PM (kQs4Y)

3 Trifishta.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 14, 2019 07:32 PM (kQs4Y)

4 Guides might be whores, but in me experience, worth every penny.

Posted by: profligatewaste at September 14, 2019 07:33 PM (Be3jb)

5 Somethin's awfuwwy fishy awound here...

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 14, 2019 07:35 PM (438dO)

6 Big fish

Posted by: Bonecrusher at September 14, 2019 07:36 PM (sd3eM)

7 Evening Ladies.

Posted by: Old blind guy at September 14, 2019 07:38 PM (sd3eM)

8 I see in the side bar that China blinks - like no one couldn't predict that - especially in the tow areas they export and have enormous trouble in - Pork and Soy Bean - both of which have been blighted in China with diseases.

Trump gambled here and won - bigly - will he get credit? Nope. The big names in the financial community are mostly liberal, having enough dough to insulate themselves from their ideology - but make no mistake - the "free traders" at NRO and WSJ were wrong - dead wrong. And they should be ashamed.

Posted by: Boswell at September 14, 2019 07:40 PM (32YRo)

9
Here's a picture he took of a Eastern coyote.

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Does he have another picture of it after he shot it dead?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at September 14, 2019 07:41 PM (t5m5e)

10
Anybody ever gone out from Miami to
fish in the Gulf Stream?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at September 14, 2019 07:43 PM (t5m5e)

11 >>> In fact, we may broaden this to camping, hiking, orienteering, and other worthwhile pursuits of the rugged outdoors.

I went bushwhacking in the White Mountains today. I would be interested in hiking, etc threads.

Posted by: fluffy at September 14, 2019 07:44 PM (dCRRg)

12 Garrett is a THOT? Sounds about right.

Posted by: Muad'dib at September 14, 2019 07:45 PM (uDh3k)

13 I went bushwhacking in the White Mountains today. I would be interested in hiking, etc threads.

So tell us all about your bushwhacking. This is now a Teddy Roosevelt thread.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 14, 2019 07:47 PM (FNXDu)

14

Grouse do not take long to cook, dry meat means they were in too long.

Draping bacon over them is an effective baste. They seldom need more than 1/2 hour to cook.

Posted by: irongrampa at September 14, 2019 07:47 PM (KATBx)

15 >>Anybody ever gone out from Miami to
fish in the Gulf Stream?

Yep.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 14, 2019 07:48 PM (ZLI7S)

16 I love grouse. Wish I was better at hunting them.

Posted by: Muad'dib at September 14, 2019 07:48 PM (uDh3k)

17 Lunker's.

Posted by: None shall pass at September 14, 2019 07:52 PM (JdcHc)

18 Orienteering is fun til you get disoriented.

Posted by: None shall pass at September 14, 2019 07:54 PM (JdcHc)

19 Good guides are great, but some are truly whores who will take your money no matter how rotten the fishing. "Oh yeah, they're hitting this week, come on out." I've had both kinds.

Posted by: Toxic Jeff at September 14, 2019 07:57 PM (p47Y4)

20 My hunting experiences are, with rare exception, the stuff of comedy, possibly farce. The only place I had for deer hunting was a Wildlife Management Area, open to anyone with a permit. It got a tad crowded. We got there well before dawn, found a spot and sat down on a freezing cold rock to wait for the sun. I thought I saw a stag's rack poking up behind some bushes. As the light grew it turned out there were at least five others who thought the same thing. Finally we learned that the 'antlers' were leafless branches. That was the high point of the trip. In all that day I saw one small doe taken. The nimrod was using a 7mm magnum and used three shots. What with the small size and the meat damage he would have been lucky to get a couple of modest cheeseburgers out of the little thing.

I've decided if I try deer hunting again I'll just see what my SUV bumper can do. It will certainly improve my chances of success.

Posted by: JTB at September 14, 2019 07:57 PM (bmdz3)

21 Snipe hunting included?

Posted by: None shall pass at September 14, 2019 07:59 PM (JdcHc)

22 >>> So tell us all about your bushwhacking.

You asked for it...

I couldn't find the trail, so I started the bushwhack from the road. This was below 1500' elevation with mostly open hardwoods, fairly pleasant walking. I picked up the trail and hiked up to Gordon Pond. It was all misty looked wicked zen.

From there I went into the spruce pencil woods to ascend an unnamed peak called 'Wolf Cub'. These woods look like a good setting for a Lord of the Rings passage or a Grimm Bros. horror story.

After revisiting the summit (first time was March 200

I chose a different direction to descend. I ended up slow-motion cliff diving at one point.

Further down on more level ground I found the remains of a moose skull. Yes, pictures were taken.

Eventually I got back to the trail and staggered back to my vehicle. I need to get into the woods to keep my head on straight, but at the end of the day civilization is greatly appreciated.

Posted by: fluffy at September 14, 2019 08:00 PM (dCRRg)

23 Doug (the photographer) notes in a back channel that someone always wants to kill the coyote.

The guy I took my first firearms course from was a survivalist who told me to always shoot a coyote. I said I'm not sure if I can tell one from a dog (this is a long time ago and of course I'm omniscient now) and he said I should shoot a dog in the woods because it will take to running deer.

There's a Tom Stoppard play about dogs running deer.

Anyway, coyotes are interesting for that complete black and white reaction people have to them. Either they're beautiful wild puppies or they should be shot on sight.

I'm on the puppy side.

Posted by: Robert Michael Powers at September 14, 2019 08:00 PM (FNXDu)

24 test

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 14, 2019 08:04 PM (FNXDu)

25 >>> Orienteering is fun til you get disoriented.

Indeed. I'm rather casual about navigation and assume that all ridges run North-South or East-West. If it runs SE-NW or something else all cattywaumpus I can easily get turned around.

Posted by: fluffy at September 14, 2019 08:04 PM (dCRRg)

26 "Guides are whores."

My cousin is currently guiding a fishing trip on a river in Montana for 10 people, based out of a cabin he owns there. Thanks.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 14, 2019 08:07 PM (Mm4NK)

27 >>> Either they're beautiful wild puppies or they should be shot on sight.

I've read that if you have coyotes in the area that don't bother your livestock, don't shoot them. Others will move in and they might take an interest to the farm animals.

Posted by: fluffy at September 14, 2019 08:07 PM (dCRRg)

28 I would like to see other outdoorsy activities added to the thread, especially map and compass hiking. Anything to improve a less than stellar sense of direction. If I had been with Lewis and Clark, they would have discovered Rhode Island.

Posted by: JTB at September 14, 2019 08:08 PM (bmdz3)

29 I went bushwhacking in the White Mountains today. I would be interested in hiking, etc threads.
Posted by: fluffy

Oh, we'll find you, fluffy, and your bushwhackin' friends, too!

Posted by: General Thomas Ewing, Jr. at September 14, 2019 08:08 PM (eMZAQ)

30

The weekend 3 of us went duck hunting and spent a couple hours in the afternoon camouflaging the johnboat then knocked off for supper.

Later on we went back down to the shore to the pole light and spent the next 2HOURS searching for the stupid boat, all the while walking round the bush growing by the light, searching.

Finally dawned on Phil that the "bush" was actually the 14' boat. In defense, there was a certain amount of liquor involved in the affair.

Posted by: irongrampa at September 14, 2019 08:09 PM (KATBx)

31 FTSB - China Blinks?
China has removed tariffs from US pork and soybeans.

A couple of hundred million hungry people can be a problem.

Posted by:
Grump928(C)
Native Texan and Alabama Alumn
Twice as Smug as You
at September 14, 2019 08:09 PM (yQpMk)

32 Only got out angling three times this summer. That's a sign that it wasn't a good one. Oh, well.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 14, 2019 08:09 PM (EgshT)

33 So after high school graduation, Little LCD and I went to Alaska to fish salmon and halibut. The young 20-something guide that floated Little LCD and I down the Kasilof river on the Kenai Peninsula in Alaska was from Idaho, worked every summer as a full time guide. To support himself, he would tow a stack of big new boat trailers from the PacNW to Alaska, making a few thousand and funding the beginning of the season for him. He worked for a big guide service.

We went two different days, got him by luck the first time, and both of us limited out with Kings. There were two other guys that between them caught one fish.

After we were done with the float and got back into a pickup to go back to the trailer, he mentioned that I was damned lucky getting 2 fish, but he knew that Little LCD would get bites because of the lure he was using. He got a Benjamin as appreciation.

He told me that most lures were crap, and you can't tell until you test them in an aquarium with a current. He learned this from an old guy in Oregon who made custom lures for decades, that taught him what to look for. He went on describing the process, which I found fascinating.

Apparently the spin is critical, sending out the right vibration that the fish notice if done correctly. He said he buys a few dozen lures and spends a couple of days finding the ones that work. You can't tell if the lure is any good until it is tested.

I made sure we had the same guide the second day. Sure enough, he gave the same lure to Little LCD and he limited within a couple of hours. I switched poles and used it, and also got 2 fish before our float was done. The other 2 guys both got one fish each.

This kid from Idaho was a walking, talking fishing encyclopedia. Little LCD still mentions it once in a while.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at September 14, 2019 08:09 PM (sy5kK)

34 That RMP above was my real name. Odd.

Anyway, Eventually I got back to the trail and staggered back to my vehicle. I need to get into the woods to keep my head on straight, but at the end of the day civilization is greatly appreciated.

The last time I did NH hiking was Mt. Monadnock a couple of years ago. I had gone up with a couple of family members and scattered my father's ashes there 20 years prior.

No. 1 Son and I camped out in the area and went for the hike, which I remembered as a couple of hours walking up and down and maybe a spring in a cliff face for water. People with backpacks on started offering us water on the way up.

Well, it wasn't a quick up and down it was grueling and we needed the donated water. I called Mommy and told her what we'd done and she said "which Monadnock?". I was like what do you mean which Monadnock. Monadnock. Duh.

Yeah, well there's a Little Monadnock (1600 ft) where we sprinkled Daddy, and there's a Big Monadnock (3200 feet) which No. 1 Son and I climbed that day.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 14, 2019 08:09 PM (FNXDu)

35 ... and then we'll come Jayhawk your whole county!

Posted by: Jim Lane at September 14, 2019 08:10 PM (eMZAQ)

36 Now I am seeing Sprite commercials about guys dreaming about being the biggest clothes designer ever.

This is not even a Black/White thing. Whatever happened to being an Astronaut, Fireman, or Soldier? Hell, even a big league sportsball player?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 14, 2019 08:11 PM (ycWCI)

37 "A couple of hundred million hungry people can be a problem."

Especially when a lot of them are in your Army.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 14, 2019 08:11 PM (Mm4NK)

38 Now I am seeing Sprite commercials about guys dreaming about being the biggest clothes designer ever.

It's not getting any better out there. Yikes.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 14, 2019 08:14 PM (EgshT)

39 A'ville Robert - Heh. The City Council must have set a revolving door record for Police Chiefs.

Why, it's as though they are staggeringly incompetent/misdirected.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 14, 2019 08:15 PM (NZ0uj)

40
This is not even a Black/White thing. Whatever happened to being an Astronaut, Fireman, or Soldier? Hell, even a big league sportsball player?
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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Well! Aren't we the judgey one.

Posted by: Josse Smollett at September 14, 2019 08:17 PM (NZ0uj)

41 >>> I was like what do you mean which Monadnock.

To confuse things further, a little ways to the east there is Pack Monadnock (North and South Pack are both around 2300') and in Vermont there is also a Monadnock Mountain overlooking Colebrook, NH.

Posted by: fluffy at September 14, 2019 08:19 PM (dCRRg)

42 Kinda off topic, but we were riding the other day and got behind a lifted F150 with big tires which had a small bumpersticker with a revolver on it and some lines which I couldn't read. Mrs. E read it to me. It was 'Guns don't kill people, crazy-ass motherfcukers kill people'. I laughed so hard blew snot out my nose. She said I bet that's a girl driving that truck. And it was. A girl what knows the GOD's own truth.

Posted by: Eromero at September 14, 2019 08:19 PM (UUkQp)

43 In off the Columbia at Astoria after all day on the river. 1/2 limit crab, skunked on salmon 2nd year in a row and came in early cause another pax had a full seizure and I had to take care of him and tell the charter Captain what to do cause he vapor locked solid.

Bus man's holiday.

Next year, somewhere else.

Posted by: Curious Memberpate at September 14, 2019 08:19 PM (SAUee)

44 Animals are fully aware of open seasons. I once went to an area that should have been squirrel heaven: oak and hickory trees loaded with acorns and nuts, still plenty of leaves to hide behind, etc. Did. Not. See. One. Damn. Squirrel.

When we got back to our apartment, in the middle of a very populated suburb, there was a line of the little bastards on the curb of the parking lot. I think they were doing a Rockettes leg kick just to rub it in. Not that I took it personally.

Posted by: JTB at September 14, 2019 08:20 PM (bmdz3)

45 That 2 person tent is plenty big enough to do anything you might think of with your enthusiastic lady. There's room for an inflatable mattress, which, to my experience, is the critical element in tent activities. Unless it involves one of those swings or something like that. Then you would have to find a tree and deal with the mosquitoes, which I think would dampen the mood.

Posted by: nobody at September 14, 2019 08:22 PM (8zK8n)

46 Weird. Pretty sure I met Bradley in 1999.

He was working for Loomis at the time. Pro Staff, I think.

Guy can cast.

Posted by: garrett at September 14, 2019 08:22 PM (FQutf)

47 Very short ride.

Posted by: Agitator at September 14, 2019 08:23 PM (m9DnX)

48 duck hunted for twenty years in a marsh a friend owned. finally figured out it was a job. no skiff, or boat. wading through waist deep water, carrying decoys, shotgun, and ammo. ducks mocking you all fucking day. a few dumbasses gave up their lives, i finally said, i'm done. the duck population stayed constant.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 14, 2019 08:23 PM (KP5rU)

49 >>My cousin is currently guiding a fishing trip on a river in Montana for 10 people, based out of a cabin he owns there.

Is he licensed? Cause he can only guide on private land if he isn't.

Posted by: garrett at September 14, 2019 08:26 PM (FQutf)

50 JTB @ 44- A couple words for you :
Live and trap.

Posted by: Eromero at September 14, 2019 08:26 PM (UUkQp)

51 What's up?

Posted by: Weasel at September 14, 2019 08:26 PM (3gRrX)

52 That's the fattest, healthiest looking coyote I've ever seen ( from NC to Kansas anyway.

Posted by: Agitator at September 14, 2019 08:26 PM (m9DnX)

53 Well! Aren't we the judgey one.
Posted by: Josse Smollett at September 14, 2019 08:17 PM (NZ0uj)

No one, as a kid, says 'I want to be a guy who tries to instigate a ridiculous hoax and wear a noose around my neck while clutching a meatball sub. In subzero temperatures.'

Not exactly Audie Murphy material.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 14, 2019 08:27 PM (ycWCI)

54 Here's a quick way to tell if your Guide was worth the $:

Did you learn something?

If the answer is yes, you had a good guide.

Posted by: garrett at September 14, 2019 08:28 PM (FQutf)

55 Basically, you should come away from a Guide Trip more talented and knowledgeable.

Posted by: garrett at September 14, 2019 08:29 PM (FQutf)

56 23. Interesting. Just today heard about a guy whose land backed up to public hunting ground. He lost six dogs to hunters. Maybe mistaken identity for coyotes?

Posted by: kallisto at September 14, 2019 08:29 PM (NVmJr)

57 "A'ville Robert - Heh. The City Council must have set a revolving door record for Police Chiefs.

Why, it's as though they are staggeringly incompetent/misdirected.

Posted by: Mike Hammer"

I hadn't seen the news yet.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 14, 2019 08:30 PM (Mm4NK)

58 56 23. Interesting. Just today heard about a guy whose land backed up to public hunting ground. He lost six dogs to hunters. Maybe mistaken identity for coyotes?
Posted by: kallisto at September 14, 2019 08:29 PM (NVmJr)

That's horrible.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 14, 2019 08:31 PM (ycWCI)

59 I snagged spoonbills once, a weekend of dragging a hook and sinker back and forth though a lake for hours on end. Snagged a 35 pounder. It was fun and tasted great, but not something I'd want to do every year.

Posted by: nobody at September 14, 2019 08:31 PM (8zK8n)

60 Weird. Pretty sure I met Bradley in 1999.

He was working for Loomis at the time. Pro Staff, I think.

Guy can cast.

Posted by: garrett

No shit? That whole bit was just a dig at you. Which I feel a little bad about because you gave me good dope on a stream, but I had the joke in mind before you were nice to me. So, humor first, you know.

Anyway, yeah, Bradley put me on that bonefish.

Motherfucking "doctor flies" (because they take blood from you) were all over my ankles until we hit them with pure DEET. And the Wonderline at my feet hit the DEET on my ankles and stopped being wonderful. It didn't slide and I couldn't cast 40 ft.

So I talked him into letting me ditch the DEETed floating line for a clear intermediate (he was agin it) and caught that one.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 14, 2019 08:32 PM (FNXDu)

61 @52

No joke, agitator, that boy found him a prime food source.

Not sure I've ever seen one that plump.

Posted by: irongrampa at September 14, 2019 08:32 PM (KATBx)

62 Spoonbilling, BTW, is work. You ride in that boat, and snag... You put one huge treble hook about 1' up off a heavy weight ( weight depends on the current), and a second about 3' above the first.
You let however much line out (50-60 yds?) and then jerk like you mean it. Let it hit bottom, repeat.
You do this for hours on end, or until your arms fall off, or until you get your limit (unlikely).
This is usually with deep sea gear, with line test +,- 100#.
About 1/3 of fish weight will be fillets.
The roe is caviar, and is hot on the black market. Agisnt the law to sell.

Posted by: MarkY at September 14, 2019 08:32 PM (eMZAQ)

63 >>Interesting. Just today heard about a guy whose land backed up to public hunting ground. He lost six dogs to hunters. Maybe mistaken identity for coyotes?

Be weird, unless they all looked exactly like coyotes. And few breeds do.

Could be his dogs were out running deer. Domestic dogs will do that and the general rule of thumb is to allow hunters to shoot dogs that are hazing deer.

Posted by: garrett at September 14, 2019 08:33 PM (FQutf)

64 "Is he licensed? Cause he can only guide on private land if he isn't.

Posted by: garrett"

Pretty sure he would be, but I know that a lot of the river they fish on is by his land. Or I should say, land that his group owns.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 14, 2019 08:33 PM (Mm4NK)

65 58. I know. Maybe keep them indoors during hunting season. Or at least get them a doggie safety vest.

Posted by: kallisto at September 14, 2019 08:34 PM (NVmJr)

66 "The roe is caviar, and is hot on the black market. Agisnt the law to sell.

Posted by: MarkY"

Of course. Why should people be able to sell what they've harvested? /sarc

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 14, 2019 08:35 PM (Mm4NK)

67 >>Anyway, yeah, Bradley put me on that bonefish.

Pretty sure he was in San Mateo around 98/99 with Loomis. I was working for Gatti at the time.

He and I did some work on a Long Distance Casting Clinic and taught a ton of people how to double haul properly.

He put 10-20 feet on my cast in under an hour, that day. Good dude.

Posted by: garrett at September 14, 2019 08:35 PM (FQutf)

68 >>Pretty sure he would be, but I know that a lot of the river they fish on is by his land. Or I should say, land that his group owns.

I won't ask which river....but Missoula / Kalispell / Helena/ Great Falls / Bozeman area?

Posted by: garrett at September 14, 2019 08:36 PM (FQutf)

69 Of course. Why should people be able to sell what they've harvested? /sarc
Posted by: AshevilleRobert

I agree, but the market was so hot, poachers couldn't resist. So, instead of ...
you know the rest.

Posted by: MarkY at September 14, 2019 08:36 PM (eMZAQ)

70 "Solid gold toilet stolen from Winston Churchill's birthplace"

2 Days after it was installed as part of an art project.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 14, 2019 08:38 PM (Mm4NK)

71 Any kind of fish roe is good. Especially with grits and eggs.

Posted by: Eromero at September 14, 2019 08:38 PM (UUkQp)

72 Any kind of fish roe is good. Especially with grits and eggs.
Posted by: Eromero

I dunno... always kinda tasted like fish eggs to me!

Posted by: MarkY at September 14, 2019 08:39 PM (eMZAQ)

73 Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.

Teach a man to fish, and he can eat for a lifetime.

Buy your fish at the supermarket, and you can avoid the whole mess to begin with.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 14, 2019 08:39 PM (L2ZTs)

74 When I went spoonbilling, I hoped to catch one full of eggs to make caviar out of, but no such luck.

Posted by: nobody at September 14, 2019 08:39 PM (8zK8n)

75 I've killed more deer than all of you put together with my Freightliner.

Posted by: George at September 14, 2019 08:40 PM (yxOjq)

76 "Deer Hunter II: Bambi' Revenge"

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 14, 2019 08:41 PM (L2ZTs)

77 That should read...

"Deer Hunter II: Bambi's Revenge"

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 14, 2019 08:42 PM (L2ZTs)

78 I really would have liked to be part of a family hunting camp. It always sounded like a wonderful experience. The only things missing are a camp site, family members who hunt, and the ability to get off the ground with any dignity.

Posted by: JTB at September 14, 2019 08:42 PM (bmdz3)

79 Another guy was so happy to inform us next week starts deer season. 'I thought that was Dec. 1?' With a gleam in his eye he exclaimed: Crossbow!

Posted by: kallisto at September 14, 2019 08:42 PM (NVmJr)

80 Looking forward to deer and antelope seasons this year.

Between me and the old man, we've got 8 tags to fill.

I might need another freezer.

Posted by: garrett at September 14, 2019 08:42 PM (FQutf)

81 Re China, I think I read today that the US and allies were floating around the man made islands in the China Sea.

Posted by: Infidel at September 14, 2019 08:43 PM (BLFnH)

82 Wow George, more than 30 plus everybody elses? That's gotta be in the hundreds! You must spend a lot at truck washes!

Posted by: nobody at September 14, 2019 08:44 PM (8zK8n)

83 The butterfly's wings.

The Fishing thread inspires me to make/save enough money for a fishing cabin/dry tent area in South Louisiana.

Posted by: Miklos, eh cher, les haricots ne s'ont pas sale at September 14, 2019 08:44 PM (QzkSJ)

Posted by: nobody at September 14, 2019 08:46 PM (8zK8n)

85 Sermon at church tonight was about the story of Isaac and Esau and Jacob. But this isn't theology. At the end of Isaac's life he calls in his firstborn, Esau, and says I am too old, go out and hunt me some food. Now that isn't how it turns out, but then this is about hunting.

I have thought about our way of life. Hunting is a sport. But it used to be how we ate. It is hard to think of spending some major portion of our lives chasing down food.

The left decries farming (about 20% of our carbon footprint is farming). Especially factory farms. But we have them and they allow us to live the lives we lead.

If we were all hunting all the time, there would not be an internet. We would be pre-industrial, which is why they want.

But my point I guess is that I grew up in South Carolina where hunting is a thing and if I had to rely on hunting for sustenance I'd be dead.

Which would make me carbon neutral.

Posted by: blaster at September 14, 2019 08:46 PM (ZfRYq)

86 "I won't ask which river....but Missoula / Kalispell / Helena/ Great Falls / Bozeman area?

Posted by: garrett"

I'd have to ask my uncle exactly which area it is.

Here's one of his flies featured in a fishing mag. Scroll to page 50. His book is advertised on page 51. An article he wrote starts on page 55.

https://tinyurl.com/jm2ue97

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at September 14, 2019 08:48 PM (Mm4NK)

87 Between me and the old man, we've got 8 tags to fill.

You got an old man who hunts with you? That's awesome. That's what I was talking about up there.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 14, 2019 08:48 PM (FNXDu)

88 Finally got the invite to hunt dove in SW Oklahoma. Place looked like west Texas where I grew up. Ponds and fields of milo. Everything I could ask for. Except dove. Sigh. Maybe next year.

Posted by: Blutarski at September 14, 2019 08:49 PM (VNfwt)

89 JTB @ 78- Part owner of a share in camp on Savannah River, founded around 1890-1900, incorporated 1909, 30 shares. Memories too many to count. I have old GrandPappy Eromero's (second owner of an original share) 12ga humpback Browning 1946 model. It mostly lives in the safe.

Posted by: Eromero at September 14, 2019 08:49 PM (UUkQp)

90 Glad to see this fish thread is branching out some.

Posted by: Skip at September 14, 2019 08:51 PM (ZCEU2)

91 Orienteering"

China is that a way...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 14, 2019 08:52 PM (6qErC)

92 Interesting observation, Blaster. Another interesting thing, is why does the save the planet crowd even get to talk about a carbon footprint, when there is absolutely no correlation between CO2 levels in the atmosphere and temperature? The global temperature tracks the activity of the sun, not perceived man made CO2. That's why it's a religion, but without any historic events to back it up.

Posted by: nobody at September 14, 2019 08:53 PM (8zK8n)

93 >>You got an old man who hunts with you? That's awesome. That's what I was talking about up there.

Yeah - he's getting up there. 72 with double knee replacements.

But we get it done for him and I get to clean, drag and cut at least twice my share every year!

Posted by: garrett at September 14, 2019 08:54 PM (FQutf)

94 No joke, agitator, that boy found him a prime food source.

Not sure I've ever seen one that plump.

Used to quail hunt a lot in N. Central Kansas. All of the ones we saw out there were pretty mangy and skinny. Those are the same ones that seem to have migrated to south coastal NC. Lot of them here now.

Posted by: Agitator at September 14, 2019 08:54 PM (m9DnX)

95 The nice thing about Fly Foshing and Fly Tying is it motivates you to hunt for materials as well as for meat.

Posted by: garrett at September 14, 2019 08:56 PM (FQutf)

96 BTW, Penn has a new version of the fierce reel, and a number of folks are selling off their inventory...

Got a NIB 3000 for 35 bucks.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 14, 2019 08:57 PM (6qErC)

97 89 ... Eromero, The sounds so nice. I'm glad it has afforded you so many wonderful memories.

Posted by: JTB at September 14, 2019 08:58 PM (bmdz3)

98 And the redfish are starting to run in a bit. They will put on a fight...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 14, 2019 08:58 PM (6qErC)

99 >>Here's one of his flies featured in a fishing mag. Scroll to page 50. His book is advertised on page 51. An article he wrote starts on page 55.

Nice.

Posted by: garrett at September 14, 2019 09:00 PM (FQutf)

100 >>And the redfish are starting to run in a bit.

Nice. Sightfishing those things is fun. And they do bulldog like a motherfucker.

Posted by: garrett at September 14, 2019 09:00 PM (FQutf)

101 Sightfishing those things is fun. And they do bulldog ..."

Light tackle is a hoot.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 14, 2019 09:02 PM (6qErC)

102 >>Light tackle is a hoot.

I've only done it on an 8wt Fly Rod. Loads of fun.

Posted by: garrett at September 14, 2019 09:04 PM (FQutf)

103 Ive done inshore/offshore fishing in south jersey since childhood. When I get down the FL Keys, all I need is a captain with a sound boat to put us out on the water. Sometimes the fish aint there...just part of the deal.

Posted by: BluesFish at September 14, 2019 09:09 PM (WQZ1O)

104 "The global temperature tracks the activity of the sun, not perceived man made CO2. "

Nope. And I have reams of fake data to prove it.

Posted by: Michael "Hockey Stick" Mann at September 14, 2019 09:09 PM (1UZdv)

105 Bander, Thanks for the thread and expansion. It's bringing up some funny memories and pleasant thoughts.

Posted by: JTB at September 14, 2019 09:09 PM (bmdz3)

106 >>Sometimes the fish aint there...just part of the deal.

Make Bait.

Go chum the Mangroves at the tide shift.

Fish!

Posted by: garrett at September 14, 2019 09:09 PM (FQutf)

107 But yeah - Even when ALL the signs point to 'Great Fishing Today'...

sometimes the fish just aren't reading the signs.

Those days are the worst days to be a Guide.

Posted by: garrett at September 14, 2019 09:11 PM (FQutf)

108 hallo

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at September 14, 2019 09:12 PM (FDYT2)

109 >>And the redfish are starting to run in a bit.

Redfish got me indirectly into one of the biggest time wasters of my life. I'm not blaming redfish.

Some years ago Paul Prudhomme told everyone that blackened redfish tasted good, so people went out and caught all the redfish and ate them. An organisation sprang up to rescue them, the Coastal Conservation Association, and from what I understand they did a good job. I think there are still redfish.

Well the CCA decided to expand up the east coast and save the striped bass. I'm all for that, striped bass is my fish, so I was a charter member of a chapter.

It was a cliqueish and secretive organization. I don't know if all organizations are like that. There was a lot of your betters at HQ know what to do so just have meetings and hold fundraisers and say yay team. Well, I hung around enough and said enough things that I got invited to go behind the curtain and meet Oz. National meeting in Baltimore. (Really good crab cakes, btw). Oz was insane.

Oz wasn't a person, Oz was an idea. We were going to make striped bass a gamefish (no commercial fishing) by raising money to buy all the commercial licenses. Then the commercials couldn't fish them. Hah!

Um, I said, um there isn't a limit on commercial licenses in MA or NY, it doesn't matter how many we buy. It's just a quota. Commercials get to kill this many pounds.

And they said "well we'll lobby to get the commercial licenses closed so that then we can buy them all up".

Fortunately the striped bass have survived our conservation efforts.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 14, 2019 09:12 PM (FNXDu)

110 Ha! Trout Unlimited, The Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, Ducks Unlimited...they do good work, but incidentally.

Mostly it's a self serving sporting club.

Posted by: garrett at September 14, 2019 09:14 PM (FQutf)

111
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson | The MiMoMe is next weekend!!!
Friday night we dine in Hell | click for details at September 14, 2019 09:14 PM (KCxzN)

112 Ah, I finally have something to add to the fishin' thread. Went backpacking a couple of weeks ago in the Emigrant Wilderness (borders Yosemite on the north) with Average Son. Spent one night at Bear Lake, two nights at Gem Lake. Caught 5 or six rainbows at Bear Lake, up to 10". caught them on a size 14 humpy. Gem lake was dead (literally, no spawning stream... they stopped planting the lakes years ago). Did a couple of day hikes to Jewelry Lake, which has fish, but they weren't biting.

Anyway, beautiful country with beautiful waters and beautiful fish.

Posted by: Average Guy at September 14, 2019 09:17 PM (BaHwF)

113 Learn how to get your first buck by watching "Escanaba in da Moonlight".

Posted by: Hall Dall at September 14, 2019 09:18 PM (/VrhV)

114 I'm 29+ but I'll be archery hunting for elk next week with my 14 year younger brother and my uncle Sam's misguided child son. Wish me luck.

Posted by: Cosda at September 14, 2019 09:18 PM (9GekL)

115 >>sometimes the fish just aren't reading the signs.

>>Those days are the worst days to be a Guide.

Not so great for the guy paying the guide either.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 14, 2019 09:18 PM (ZLI7S)

116 China has a protein shortage on account of a swine disease. they have been importing donkey meat from Africa but that is causing resistance and China needs Africa for other reasons.

also, Chinese would rather eat pork than ass, anyway .

the US has the upper hand with meat tariffs.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at September 14, 2019 09:18 PM (FDYT2)

117 >>Not so great for the guy paying the guide either.

Those days you get a LOT of lessons. Fix your cast, reading water, rigging. It's all you can do while you run through every fly and technique in the boat.

Posted by: garrett at September 14, 2019 09:20 PM (FQutf)

118 >>I'm 29+ but I'll be archery hunting for elk next week with my 14 year younger brother

Pwo Tip : Be Vewy, Vewy Twiet.

Posted by: Elmer Fudd at September 14, 2019 09:21 PM (FQutf)

119 108 hallo
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at September 14, 2019 09:12 PM (FDYT2)

Are you going for a cockney 'Ah-low' or more of a German 'Hal-lo'?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 14, 2019 09:22 PM (ycWCI)

120 I wonder what donkey would taste like? Tough, I am guessing.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 14, 2019 09:23 PM (ycWCI)

121 >>I wonder what donkey would taste like?

Ass

Posted by: garrett at September 14, 2019 09:23 PM (FQutf)

122 Crap. I just teed up the donkey show jokes.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 14, 2019 09:23 PM (ycWCI)

123 I wonder what donkey would taste like?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 14, 2019 09:23 PM (ycWCI)

Like Ass

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 14, 2019 09:24 PM (9Om/r)

124 >>Those days you get a LOT of lessons. Fix your cast, reading water, rigging. It's all you can do while you run through every fly and technique in the boat.

It pains me to say this but I suspect you're an outstanding guide.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 14, 2019 09:24 PM (ZLI7S)

125 Bandersnatch

Me and two friends climbed Monadnock (the one by Jaffrey) in 1997, then went down the other side and hiked about 35 miles north from there. Can't remember the name of the trail, but it was part of the Appalachian Trail, but carried its own name. Before we set out from the campsite at the base, we again whittled down our packs, deciding what we could do without, and decided you know what? We don't need no tents. Back in the car they went. Started the climb to the summit (this was our second time up, first time to go further) at about 0500, and had breakfast above the clouds at the summit, at sunrise. The most beautiful thing I've ever seen. This trip was also when I learned that walking down a mountain is way harder on the feets than walking up one.

When we decided to camp, it was a forest clearing that looked like something out of a fantasy novel, with open ground and a little stream. Roped our gear up into a tree and slept in our bags on the forest floor. Some little critter jumped on my chest in the middle of the night and I just froze. I think I twitched a bit and it ran off.

I wish I'd had a camera on this hike, as it only remains in my mind all the gorgeous things we saw. On one smaller mountain along the way, we got to the top and saw hawks circling far below us, and at another point about a dozen hot air balloons. I hope to walk the NH woods again some day.

I'm in FL now, and bushwacking is ill-advised around here. Thanks for reminding me about Monadnock.

Posted by: Taiqyyologist at September 14, 2019 09:25 PM (owkQl)

126 if you want to know what donkey tastes like, ask one of aoc's ex boyfriends.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 14, 2019 09:25 PM (KP5rU)

127 I'm with you on figuring out the deer hunting thing. It's once again pretty much a pastime of the landed Gentry once again.

There are theoretically ways to use state parks here in Texas but I have no actual experience--- heading out to public lands to learn with whomever else also happens to be there seems iffy.

Posted by: TexasDan at September 14, 2019 09:25 PM (hr5kG)

128 >>It pains me to say this but I suspect you're an outstanding guide.

You'll laugh, you'll cry and you'll catch fish.

Also, I refuse to have a shitty lunch.

THAT I can control.

Posted by: garrett at September 14, 2019 09:27 PM (FQutf)

129
***PSA***

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Join us September 20 & 21 in the greater metropolitan area of Chelsea, Michigan for the festivities.

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During the day on Saturday, we'll be hanging out at the cabin, whittling entire trees into toothpicks & just generally relaxing. The roundtable discussion topic this year is "IKEA Shelving: Threat or Menace?", followed by small unit tactics practice.

Saturday evening we'll go in to town for diner at the BBQ joint around 4:30; after which we'll return to the campsite for a large thermal event & pants-less dancing to the finest ukulele band in all the land.

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Posted by: AltonJackson | The MiMoMe is next weekend!!!
Friday night we dine in Hell | click for details at September 14, 2019 09:29 PM (KCxzN)

130 "127 I'm with you on figuring out the deer hunting thing. It's once again pretty much a pastime of the landed Gentry once again.

There are theoretically ways to use state parks here in Texas but I have no actual experience--- heading out to public lands to learn with whomever else also happens to be there seems iffy."
******
Might have to leave Texas. Lots of public land open to hunting in other states..

Posted by: Cosda at September 14, 2019 09:30 PM (9GekL)

131 84
Posted by: nobody

Somebody is applying for an Art Grant.

Posted by: Miklos, free money! at September 14, 2019 09:31 PM (QzkSJ)

132 >>I'm with you on figuring out the deer hunting thing.

Deer are easy to figure out. They are hard as fuck to fool, though. Mule Deer and Whitetail are WAY different species, too.
So, a lesson learned out West will rarely apply back East.
1st lesson. Deer have a small core area. Reltively speaking, they won't want to move off of it very far and then almost only during mating season.
2nd lesson. You can't fool their nose. The wind is your only friend.
3rd lesson. You can't fool their eyes this goes doubly if you are moving. You move too fast. Also, too much.

Posted by: garrett at September 14, 2019 09:32 PM (FQutf)

133 "For two people to share that tent they'd have to love each other awfully much, and if they did there isn't enough room to do anything about it."

That's just about the best way I've ever heard it stated. Two people can certainly fit in a two-person tent, but they have to take turns.

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 14, 2019 09:33 PM (t+qrx)

134 the cabin campsite built on the cursed ancient Indian burial ground just down the road from the state prison for the criminally insane for ukulele practice.
Friday night we dine in Hell | click for details at September 14, 2019 09:29 PM (KCxzN)

'twere the ukuleles what drove them mad.

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 14, 2019 09:35 PM (t+qrx)

135 8 boswell "i see in the sidebar china blinked..."

and what does it mean?

trump reelected in a landslide!

ha

hahaha

hahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahaha

[maniacal laughter]

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 14, 2019 09:38 PM (Pg+x7)

136 Who's Art?

Posted by: nobody at September 14, 2019 09:39 PM (8zK8n)

137 Try sharing a two person tent with two beagles. Good times.

Posted by: Jewells45 at September 14, 2019 09:39 PM (dUJdY)

138 I'm watching a movie from the 1980s called Running Scared. Billy Crystal and Gregory Hines.

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at September 14, 2019 09:40 PM (myjNJ)

139 Were any of you members of the Varmint Hunter's Association? It went bankrupt 8-10 years ago. The magazine they published every other month was a treasure trove of info about long range shooting techniques, firearms, optics, and other associated equipment. I miss it.

Posted by: Gref at September 14, 2019 09:40 PM (AMIL/)

140 I love grouse. Wish I was better at hunting them.
Posted by: Muad'dib at September 14, 2019 07:48 PM (uDh3k)

The spruce grouse out west are dumb as democrats. I just walked up to one once, and picked it off the branch with my hand.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 14, 2019 09:44 PM (jEgzt)

141 125. What a beautiful piece of writing. I envisioned everything you described, even almost flinched when the little critter jumped on your chest!

Posted by: kallisto at September 14, 2019 09:45 PM (R5dBL)

142 'twere the ukuleles what drove them mad.
Posted by: hogmartin will be sad

Tiptoe very carefully through the tulips with amulets and such.

Posted by: Tiny "Miklos" Tim, and Miss Vicky at September 14, 2019 09:46 PM (QzkSJ)

143 >>The spruce grouse out west are dumb as democrats. I just walked up to one once, and picked it off the branch with my hand.

They call'em Fool Hens out here. You can smack them with a stick if you really need to. Getting one to flush is damn near impossible in some areas.

Posted by: garrett at September 14, 2019 09:47 PM (FQutf)

144 I'm watching a movie from the 1980s called Running Scared. Billy Crystal and Gregory Hines.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at September 14, 2019 09:40 PM (myjNJ

First time? I loved that movie but I love the non comedy Running Scared with Paul Walker. On my top ten list of underrated movies.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 14, 2019 09:47 PM (2DOZq)

145 Posted by: irongrampa at September 14, 2019 07:47 PM (KATBx)

Grouse cooked in butter is divine.

Posted by: clutch at September 14, 2019 09:47 PM (Z3oWA)

146 >>I'm watching a movie from the 1980s called Running Scared. Billy Crystal and Gregory Hines.

Joey Pants as Snake!

Great movie.

Posted by: garrett at September 14, 2019 09:48 PM (FQutf)

147 Who's Art?
Posted by: nobody

Art is Coast-to-Coast, from another dimension.

Posted by: Miklos, alien abductee at September 14, 2019 09:49 PM (QzkSJ)

148 For two people to share that tent they'd have to love each other awfully much, and if they did there isn't enough room to do anything about it."

That's just about the best way I've ever heard it stated. Two people can certainly fit in a two-person tent, but they have to take turns.
Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 14, 2019 09:33 PM (t+q

Must be the same people who determine gun safe capacity.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 14, 2019 09:49 PM (2DOZq)

149 Yeah, well there's a Little Monadnock (1600 ft) where we sprinkled Daddy, and there's a Big Monadnock (3200 feet) which No. 1 Son and I climbed that day.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 14, 2019 08:09 PM (FNXDu)

"Monadnock" is also a term in geology for a mountain comprised of a hunk of older terrane which has been mostly eroded away.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 14, 2019 09:50 PM (jEgzt)

150 Was trying to find a freebee of Peppermint online. No such luck without downloading a bunch of crap.

Posted by: Infidel at September 14, 2019 09:51 PM (BLFnH)

151 spruce hens are aimed at evading wolves and ground hunters. You can take them from trees 8-10 feet up with a slingshot or a 22, but I've never grabbed one by hand. My uncle grabbed a pheasant out of a fence row like that once. Thought it was a bird he knocked down, but there wasn't a piece of shot in it.

Posted by: nobody at September 14, 2019 09:51 PM (8zK8n)

152 "campground built on the cursed ancient indian burial ground..."

drudge reports part of the planned wall cuts through an indian burial ground and is being occupied by protesting tribesmen. don't tell hollywood or we'll get "poltergeist: the white house".

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 14, 2019 09:52 PM (Pg+x7)

153 I love grouse. Wish I was better at hunting them.

Oh, here's a thing I meant to talk about. Maybe next thread or maybe we'll use it up now.

How do people have time to train hunting dogs? I don't even have enough time in a day to have a dog and give him the attention a dog deserves, but people are always out teaching their retrievers to retrieve and such.

Grouse hunting without a dog is easy. You scare the grouse all by yourself. But people have bird dogs that will go in water or work fields. How do they (you) do it?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 14, 2019 09:53 PM (FNXDu)

154 "campground built on the cursed ancient indian burial ground..."

drudge reports part of the planned wall cuts through an indian burial ground and is being occupied by protesting tribesmen. don't tell hollywood or we'll get "poltergeist: the white house".
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at

F that. I'm tired of playing nice with these freak shows.

Posted by: Infidel at September 14, 2019 09:54 PM (BLFnH)

155 >>Grouse hunting without a dog is easy. You scare the grouse all by yourself. But people have bird dogs that will go in water or work fields. How do they (you) do it?

It starts when they are still pups. And ALL lessons build on it.
Teaching them to scent, track, hold/flush and retrieve to hand.

All of it starts when they are munchkins.

Takes about 16 months and then you are done for the most part.

Posted by: garrett at September 14, 2019 09:55 PM (FQutf)

156 F that. I'm tired of playing nice with these freak shows.
Posted by: Infidel

If the Indians didn't want a beautiful wall in their cemetery, then they shouldn't have lost the war.

Posted by: Blutarski the Goy at September 14, 2019 09:56 PM (VNfwt)

157 "Monadnock" is also a term in geology for a mountain comprised of a hunk of older terrane which has been mostly eroded away.

It is. The term is named for NH's Mt. Monadnock (the big one) and has something to do with its solitary nature. Monadnock is not part of the White Mountain (Appalachian) chain.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 14, 2019 09:56 PM (FNXDu)

158 And really, some dogs are just fuckin' born to hunt. Push button, really.

You just need to introduce them to it and make sure you break them in on the gun properly and they do the rest themselves.

But - you have to hunt them / train with them or they will break form.

Posted by: garrett at September 14, 2019 09:57 PM (FQutf)

159 Thank you, Kallisto. I wish I'd written about it then, when memory was still fresh. Hillsboro, NH is near Monadnock. I was a student for a year at a farm there, a Christian place called His Mansion. It was an outing me, another student, and a wonderful mentor took toward the end of my year there. Probably the most beautiful places, for many reasons, that I've ever lived. Being immersed in the Word, with a hundred other Christians, in the NH mountains while working a fully functional farm is indescribable.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist at September 14, 2019 09:59 PM (owkQl)

160 I was told Monadnock meant "solitary bump".

Posted by: Taqiyyologist at September 14, 2019 10:01 PM (owkQl)

161 Peer training works well for hunting dogs.

Posted by: davidt at September 14, 2019 10:05 PM (m3tRO)

162 thatisall
Posted by: AltonJackson

If you wanted to make me feel bad, you have succeeded.

*does the sad face, which hard with a monocle*

Posted by: Sad, ball and chained Mikos at September 14, 2019 10:06 PM (QzkSJ)

163 How do people have time to train hunting dogs?

Ha!

In Soviet Berniestan.....

Posted by: Ha! sez Miklos, not hunted by commie dogs yet at September 14, 2019 10:09 PM (QzkSJ)

164 And I am back from Trip #2 to the attic. Got two lengths of Romex fed through the feedthough bushings, and pulled far enough to reach the panel. Tomorrow, I will shut off power to the panel, and install the new breakers and connect up the wires, leaving the new breakers off, of course. Then run the wires along beams in the attic, tacking them down nice and neat with wire staples.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 14, 2019 10:09 PM (jEgzt)

165 I was told Monadnock meant "solitary bump".
Posted by: Taqiyyologist

I got some tahina from TaqqiyaCorp once.

Wasn't what they promised.

Posted by: Miklos. looking up Arabic for "refund" at September 14, 2019 10:11 PM (QzkSJ)

166 "campground built on the cursed ancient indian burial ground..."

Works for me.

In fact, I can charge extra.

Posted by: Crazy Miklos' Tzampotli Family Fun Park and Endless Taco Bar at September 14, 2019 10:14 PM (QzkSJ)

167 I was told Monadnock meant "solitary bump".
Posted by: Taqiyyologist at September 14, 2019 10:01 PM (owkQl)

That's when a tranny can't afford both bolt-ons.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 14, 2019 10:15 PM (jEgzt)

168 My pointer loses staunchness then we gotta get that fixed on the first couple of grouse of the season and she is OK again.

Posted by: clutch at September 14, 2019 10:18 PM (Z3oWA)

169 where are you from, AOP? I moose hunt north of Worsley.

Posted by: nobody at September 14, 2019 10:22 PM (8zK8n)

170 I was told Monadnock meant "solitary bump".
Posted by: Taqiyyologist at September 14, 2019 10:01 PM (owkQl)

That's when a tranny can't afford both bolt-ons.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

You like bump? OK

One or Two?

Normally ask for two. According to "customer".

Posted by: Achmed the smiling used camel salesman at September 14, 2019 10:22 PM (QzkSJ)

171 I moose hunt north of Worsley.

Ooo.... this how a good Canadian Noir detective novel starts.

Posted by: Miklos, LA/BC circa 1947 at September 14, 2019 10:25 PM (QzkSJ)

172 where are you from, AOP? I moose hunt north of Worsley.
Posted by: nobody at September 14, 2019 10:22 PM (8zK8n)

In southern Alberta, not far from Three Hills. My neighbor has shot moose not more than 2 miles from my house. I found moose droppings in the snow in my yard once.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 14, 2019 10:25 PM (jEgzt)

173 Ooo.... this how a good Canadian Noir detective novel starts.
Posted by: Miklos, LA/BC circa 1947 at September 14, 2019 10:25 PM (QzkSJ)

Speaking of Canadian Noir detective stories, it appears the two teenage fags that murdered 3 people in northern B.C. left a suicide video on a smartphone before shooting themselves in the woods of northern Manitoba.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 14, 2019 10:28 PM (jEgzt)

174 Cool, Alberta is one huge province. I have a job finishing up in Huxley.

Posted by: nobody at September 14, 2019 10:28 PM (8zK8n)

175 Faith restored. There was actual comments on fishing and better yet hunting. Popped into the chess thread, first time ever. I believe there were several comments about the french chess master bewbs but that was about it.

Posted by: Sock Monkey... these are the voyages of the starship Moron at September 14, 2019 10:29 PM (vQY7q)

176 Cool, Alberta is one huge province. I have a job finishing up in Huxley.
Posted by: nobody at September 14, 2019 10:28 PM (8zK8n)

GrainConnect? I see some guys wearing those shirts in the bar at the Trochu Hotel.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 14, 2019 10:30 PM (jEgzt)

177 I found moose droppings in the snow in my yard once.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

If you ever decide to sell, make sure the real estate agent mentions that.

Posted by: Miklos, Valu-Riting value at September 14, 2019 10:30 PM (QzkSJ)

178 Yep.

Posted by: nobody at September 14, 2019 10:32 PM (8zK8n)

179 Draping bacon over them is an effective baste. They seldom need more than 1/2 hour to cook.
Posted by: irongrampa

White wine and cream of mushroom soup

Posted by: Sock Monkey... these are the voyages of the starship Moron at September 14, 2019 10:33 PM (vQY7q)

180 Yep.
Posted by: nobody at September 14, 2019 10:32 PM (8zK8n)

Well, I am in Arizona right now, or I would invite over to stately Peon Manor, and we could grill up some steaks.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 14, 2019 10:35 PM (jEgzt)

181 >>White wine and cream of mushroom soup

I breast them, cover in pancetta and then cook them with rice pilaf, white wine and mushrooms.

Posted by: garrett at September 14, 2019 10:35 PM (FQutf)

182 Whole Breast Plate. Not just the meat.

Posted by: garrett at September 14, 2019 10:35 PM (FQutf)

183 Small world, maybe some day. Thanks for the thought!

Posted by: nobody at September 14, 2019 10:36 PM (8zK8n)

184 Small world, maybe some day. Thanks for the thought!
Posted by: nobody at September 14, 2019 10:36 PM (8zK8n)

I will be back in early October, and you can usually find me here, mornings and evenings. Often on the ONT.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 14, 2019 10:38 PM (jEgzt)

185 in the woods of northern Manitoba.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Well.

I have written and published a lot-boring but profitable business/economics.

The rest is for funs.

I have always kinda wanted to write a noir novel in the classic style, but haven's, because there is enough bad in the world without anyone creating any more.

This case may call for a Truman Capote treatment.

Posted by: Miklos, In Cold Blood at September 14, 2019 10:39 PM (QzkSJ)

186 We should get done by mid October. I'll see if you're back. Good to meet a fellow moron.

Posted by: nobody at September 14, 2019 10:41 PM (8zK8n)

187 Often on the ONT.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

You gotcher acronym right there.

Posted by: Miklos, in short, or "de brevis" at September 14, 2019 10:42 PM (QzkSJ)

188 I have always kinda wanted to write a noir novel in the classic style, but haven's, because there is enough bad in the world without anyone creating any more.

This case may call for a Truman Capote treatment.
Posted by: Miklos, In Cold Blood at September 14, 2019 10:39 PM (QzkSJ)

I think it's case of two weirdo loners found each other, and positive feedback set in. Like Loeb and Leopold.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 14, 2019 10:42 PM (jEgzt)

189 I found moose droppings in the snow in my yard once.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Frequently have moose hanging out here. Last winter I had just gotten into my car and a cow moose came around the corner of my house and stopped behind the car and spent the next 5 minutes staring into my back window. She had me blocked in so I rolled the window down and had an interesting conversation. She turned around and went back the way she came. Certain times of the year I have to keep my head on a swivel. Moose are unpredictable .

Posted by: Sock Monkey... these are the voyages of the starship Moron at September 14, 2019 10:45 PM (vQY7q)

190 Like Loeb and Leopold.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Dammit

*looks around for lost pair of glasses*

Posted by: Miklos,innocent until proven more innocent at September 14, 2019 10:48 PM (QzkSJ)

191 I don't know what the noir stuff is,but I think I'll be elk hunting in New Mexico for the first week in October. I'll find out this weekend.

Posted by: nobody at September 14, 2019 10:48 PM (8zK8n)

192 I breast them, cover in pancetta and then cook them with rice pilaf, white wine and mushrooms.
Posted by: garrett

Yep. Nice thing about grouse. Step on the wings, stick your fingers under the breast and pull. The rest of the bird isn't worth saving.

Posted by: Sock Monkey... these are the voyages of the starship Moron at September 14, 2019 10:50 PM (vQY7q)

193 From what I have heard about moose is that what they excell at in dumbness is only eclipsed by their hugeness.

Posted by: Old blind guy at September 14, 2019 10:52 PM (DxOnJ)

194 I think it's case of two weirdo loners found each other

That is why Morons, by law (Code Napoleon, anyway) must always meet in groups of three or more.

Da law

Posted by: Miklos, Legal Tender, the B-52's kind at September 14, 2019 10:54 PM (QzkSJ)

195 Moose droppings...huh. The neighborhood skunk frequently pinches a loaf on the lawn for me to step in.

Posted by: BluesFish at September 14, 2019 11:07 PM (WQZ1O)

196 Whole Breast Plate. Not just the meat.
Posted by: garrett

Cosmic Charlie has competition.

*checks list of states where MaryJane is legal*

Posted by: Miklos, breaking one law at a time at September 14, 2019 11:17 PM (QzkSJ)

197 It could be an Alberta mome. Maybe Ace could come! I'm not from Alberta though, we just work there and I've hunted moose there for 20plus years.

Posted by: nobody at September 14, 2019 11:20 PM (8zK8n)

198 Easy Trout recipe: Gut it, salt and pepper the inside, stuff cavity with fresh parsley. Cut a few thick slices of lemon, place in a pan, and add enough water to come up to just below the top of the lemon slices. Place prepared trout on the lemon slices over high heat, cover pan, and poach for 3 or 4 minutes for an 8" to 11" fish, no need to turn. When eyeballs turn white is about right for when the flesh is done. Don't forget to eat the cheeks (and the eyeballs ain't to bad either.)

Posted by: Fritzy at September 15, 2019 12:02 PM (VY+MJ)

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