The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition

Here's a great example of why government is a very bad thing. Our founders knew it, and placed significant restrictions on its power. Unfortunately we have lost sight of those restrictions, and even the very concept of limiting government power vs. government granting rights and privileges.

And anyone who doesn't understand why gun registration is a huge leap towards jack-booted government thugs kicking down your door and shooting your dog and maybe you to get your guns, think about how much information they already have.

Feds Demand Apple And Google Hand Over Names Of 10,000+ Users Of A Gun Scope App

If the court approves the demand, and Apple and Google decide to hand over the information, it could include data on thousands of people who have nothing to do with the crimes being investigated, privacy activists warned. Edin Omanovic, lead on Privacy International's State Surveillance program, said it would set a dangerous precedent and scoop up “huge amounts of innocent people’s personal data.”
“Such orders need to be based on suspicion and be particularized—this is neither,” Omanovic added.

Magazine subscription lists, credit card data, IP addresses linked to blog comments, license plate reader data, and thousands of other bits of information that when combined can yield the names and addresses of many...or most...gun owners in America.

THAT'S what the Constitution and the Bill of Rights is designed to prevent. And the most significant current attack on our rights is "universal background checks." Does anyone believe that the instant checks are not saved in some government database? That with a few keystrokes they can generate a list for confiscation? And that's why 80% lowers and 3D printing and CAD-CAM are such a threat to government power. The silly cover story about unregistered guns with no serial numbers being used in crimes is embarrassingly stupid. The real reason is that they cannot abide a free people exercising their inalienable rights!

Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM

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1 Good morning good people!

Posted by: zeera Moron Author Working on Book TWO at September 10, 2019 11:00 AM (T9rmq)

2 And I'm against it!

Posted by: zeera Moron Author Working on Book TWO at September 10, 2019 11:01 AM (T9rmq)

3 Corgi's called

Posted by: zeera Moron Author Working on Book TWO at September 10, 2019 11:02 AM (T9rmq)

4 tap tap tap Is this thing on?

Posted by: zeera Moron Author Working on Book TWO at September 10, 2019 11:02 AM (T9rmq)

5 And I'm against it!"

What, mornings? With you on that...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 10, 2019 11:02 AM (6qErC)

6 Yeah, can't imagine anything could ever go wrong with Red Flag laws.

Posted by: DocJ at September 10, 2019 11:03 AM (77WPm)

7 Damn it, too late to rant about Cezanne.

Umm...boobs!

There, that'll do.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Relax, buy ammo and don't give one inch at September 10, 2019 11:03 AM (bcbK8)

8 They're makin' a list
They're checkin' it twice
They're gonna find out
Who's got a killin' device
Santa Fed is comin' for you

Posted by: joncelli, who's totally not in the pay of Big Alien at September 10, 2019 11:04 AM (RD7QR)

9 Damn meetings! Hell, they pretend to pay me, I pretend to work. Meetings aren't in the agreement.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2019 11:04 AM (dDUXP)

10 And also, yes, government can't be trusted.

The nation fucked up in the early 20th century, giving in on Income Tax and the Federal Reserve system.

Cool Cal was great and all, but we needed Andrew Jackson.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Relax, buy ammo and don't give one inch at September 10, 2019 11:04 AM (bcbK8)

11 Government isn't necessarily the enemy, Liberalism, Progressivism, Communism--everything derived from Marxism is the enemy.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 10, 2019 11:06 AM (19g6/)

12 At least they'll always take our word as a Biden when it's time to vote!

Posted by: t-bird at September 10, 2019 11:06 AM (nR2Re)

13 1 Good morning good people!
Posted by: zeera Moron Author Working on Book TWO at September 10, 2019 11:00 AM (T9rmq)

Just who do you think you're talking to?

Posted by: Insomniac at September 10, 2019 11:07 AM (TOOqT)

14 Eighty percenter!

Posted by: Roland THTG at September 10, 2019 11:07 AM (88+cf)

15 I see no problem with this request. Google, do you? Apple, do you?

Posted by: Wiki Wacky Random Hawaiian Judge #17 at September 10, 2019 11:07 AM (ZYB2s)

16 Didn't get the opportunity to say it before the morning thread
closed, but "Judge" Tigar has to be a candidate for "Most Punchable Face
In Politics Today".

You can smell the smugness through the LCD screen.

Posted by: DocJ at September 10, 2019 11:07 AM (77WPm)

17 But when the only Arbiter of Federal Power, is a branch of the Federal Government itself?

There is no effective check nor balance.

The Supremes, appointed by the President, and Confirmed by the Senate, ie hand picked and put in place for life, are the ONLY ones who are acknowledged as having the power to limit Federal Power.

Posted by: Don Quixote at September 10, 2019 11:07 AM (NgKpN)

18 I don't mind the government being afraid of me and people like me. That's healthy. The government should fear it's citizens and be ready to appease them.

Me, I don't even want money. I want be left alone as much as possible. I don't intend to cause a ruckus. Unless they make me.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Relax, buy ammo and don't give one inch at September 10, 2019 11:07 AM (bcbK8)

19
Government isn't necessarily the enemy, Liberalism, Progressivism, Communism--everything derived from Marxism is the enemy.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 10, 2019

A distinction without a difference.

Posted by: Roland THTG at September 10, 2019 11:08 AM (88+cf)

20 Yep. And I have a very derogatory comment to make about chi-town Jerry. But will refrain unless provoked. He does love him some gun control.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 10, 2019 11:08 AM (Ol/Jg)

21 Good morning good people!
Posted by: zeera Moron Author Working on Book TWO at September 10, 2019 11:00 AM (T9rmq)

Don't force your perverse version of reality on me.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 10, 2019 11:08 AM (ZYB2s)

22 Well, here's a shocker!

Romney signals he's open to bipartisan background check bill

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 10, 2019 11:08 AM (+y/Ru)

23 Government isn't necessarily the enemy, Liberalism, Progressivism, Communism--everything derived from Marxism is the enemy.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 10, 2019 11:06 AM (19g6/)

As any government that sticks around long-enough will be eventually infected by these ideologies of death then yes, Government is in fact the enemy.

Posted by: DocJ at September 10, 2019 11:09 AM (77WPm)

24 11 Government isn't necessarily the enemy, Liberalism, Progressivism, Communism--everything derived from Marxism is the enemy.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 10, 2019 11:06 AM (19g6/)

Government is not the enemy, its the weapon they use.

So the Founders tried to disarm them. Tried to make it so the Government could not be used that way.

Worked for awhile.

Posted by: Don Quixote at September 10, 2019 11:09 AM (NgKpN)

25 20 Yep. And I have a very derogatory comment to make about chi-town Jerry. But will refrain unless provoked. He does love him some gun control.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 10, 2019 11:08 AM (Ol/Jg)

He's from Chicago. He doesn't know what freedom looks like

But I'd trust me to recognize a nice cut of steak. Good food in Chi-town.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Relax, buy ammo and don't give one inch at September 10, 2019 11:10 AM (bcbK8)

26 Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 10, 2019 11:08 AM (Ol/Jg)

Or better yet, just keep it to yourself.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 10, 2019 11:10 AM (wYseH)

27 1 Good morning good people!
Posted by: zeera Moron Author Working on Book TWO at September 10, 2019 11:00 AM (T9rmq)

Just who do you think you're talking to?
Posted by: Insomniac at September 10, 2019 11:07 AM (TOOqT)

Pardon, I should not have made a hasty assumption like that!

Posted by: zeera Moron Author Working on Book TWO at September 10, 2019 11:10 AM (T9rmq)

28 11 Government isn't necessarily the enemy, Liberalism, Progressivism, Communism--everything derived from Marxism is the enemy.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 10, 2019 11:06 AM (19g6/)

"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence - it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."

Attributed to George Washington though he probably didn't actually say this.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 10, 2019 11:10 AM (TOOqT)

29 I don't mind the government being afraid of me and people like me. That's healthy. The government should fear it's citizens and be ready to appease them.

Me, I don't even want money. I want be left alone as much as possible. I don't intend to cause a ruckus. Unless they make me.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Anti's say, "if you need 30 rounds to hunt, you suck at hunting".

My reply? "If you need an unarmed citizenry in order to govern, you suck at governing".

Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2019 11:10 AM (WavOX)

30 Me, I don't even want money. I want be left alone as much as possible. I don't intend to cause a ruckus. Unless they make me.

If I can live in peace, I will.

Posted by: Braveheart at September 10, 2019 11:10 AM (ZYB2s)

31 Next time Dems get the upper hand, they are going to push confiscation with a vengeance. With what they have in mind, they can't have subjects who can offer any resistance.

Posted by: Emmie at September 10, 2019 11:11 AM (i/wJA)

32 They're keeping track of blog comments? Uh oh!

Posted by: Weasel at September 10, 2019 11:11 AM (RrqtM)

33 Good morning, fellow peaceful citizens!

Posted by: blake - used salesman salesman
at September 10, 2019 11:11 AM (qC1Sy)

34 Romney signals he's open to bipartisan background check bill

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 10, 2019 11:08 AM (+y/Ru)

And once again, Willard "Mitt" Rmoney craps all over my decade of past support, including manning phone banks in 2002, knocking on doors in 2008, and writing low 4-figures of checks I really couldn't afford in 2012.

What a POS. Shame on me; I should have known better.

Posted by: DocJ at September 10, 2019 11:11 AM (77WPm)

35 Chicago is full of Fibbies.

Posted by: Roland THTG at September 10, 2019 11:12 AM (88+cf)

36 32 They're keeping track of blog comments? Uh oh!
Posted by: Weasel at September 10, 2019 11:11 AM (RrqtM)
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In my case, I'm quite sure that ship sailed long ago.

Posted by: blake - used salesman salesman
at September 10, 2019 11:12 AM (qC1Sy)

37 Well... unfortunately, I lost ALL of my guns in a tragic pontoon accident.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at September 10, 2019 11:12 AM (flINI)

38 And the most significant current attack on our rights is "universal background checks."
.........

So.. let's just do away with background checks altogether, right?

Why bother doing any checks if some sales are immune to checks?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 10, 2019 11:12 AM (438dO)

39 "Feds"? "The government"? Who is this, exactly?

I invoke respondeat superior. Trump is the person in charge of the government. If he can't stop this, he is responsible for it.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at September 10, 2019 11:12 AM (H8QX8)

40 Good morning good people!
Posted by: zeera Moron Author

Just who do you think you're talking to?
Posted by: Insomniac

Pardon, I should not have made a hasty assumption like that!
Posted by: zeera Moron Author

"I did not go through the rigorous verification and standards process here at AoSHQ before repeating what I heard from my source"

LOL

Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2019 11:12 AM (WavOX)

41 hiya

Posted by: JT at September 10, 2019 11:13 AM (arJlL)

42 FWIW, I can't get too worked up over this - the Feds are looking at overseas purchases, and the tale has a few too many "couldas"

"If the court approves the demand, and Apple and Google decide to hand over the information, it could"

is a bit shaky. Very shaky.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 10, 2019 11:13 AM (6qErC)

43 He's from Chicago. He doesn't know what freedom looks like

But I'd trust me to recognize a nice cut of steak. Good food in Chi-town.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Relax, buy ammo and don't give one inch at September 10, 2019 11:10 AM (bcbK

Only been there once, but the food was good.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 10, 2019 11:13 AM (TOOqT)

44 And the most significant current attack on our rights is "universal background checks."
.........

So.. let's just do away with background checks altogether, right?

Why bother doing any checks if some sales are immune to checks?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry

Are you willing to go thru background checks on every piece of personal property you sell?

If not, why not?

Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2019 11:14 AM (WavOX)

45 I don't mind the government being afraid of me and people like me. That's healthy. The government should fear it's citizens and be ready to appease them.

Me, I don't even want money. I want be left alone as much as possible. I don't intend to cause a ruckus. Unless they make me.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

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"People shouldn't be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:14 AM (iikV8)

46 From Dennis Prager:

Our age loves scientific equations. Here's one you weren't taught at college but which affects you as much as the law of gravity:

GI - W = E

Good Intentions (GI) minus Wisdom (W) leads to Evil (E).

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 10, 2019 11:14 AM (+y/Ru)

47 The Founders built a Government where they treated the citizen as an adult.

They were expected to take care of themselves and make their own decisions.

Now BOTH Parties in power see the Citizen as a child, needing to be told what not to do, and be taken care of.

And trust me, I live with my 90 year old Mom. Being an adult who is CONSTANTLY treated as a child, can make you very very angry.

But they don't even realize they do it. Its subconscious. They make decisions 'for your own good' or 'because I though you wanted that' (without bothering to ask).

Which, as I noted, BOTH major political parties do.

Posted by: Don Quixote at September 10, 2019 11:14 AM (NgKpN)

48 35 Chicago is full of Fibbies.
Posted by: Roland THTG at September 10, 2019 11:12 AM (88+cf)

Are those the things that pop back up if you knock them over?

Posted by: joncelli, who's totally not in the pay of Big Alien at September 10, 2019 11:14 AM (RD7QR)

49 Good news that the Boucher douchebag that attacked Rand Paul will be re-sentenced. His original sentence for 30 days for causing critical injuries to person is BS. I believe that Paul just recently had to undergo more surgery for this attack.

Thank God we have some judges with sanity.

Posted by: Cheri at September 10, 2019 11:14 AM (oiNtH)

50 Next time Dems get the upper hand, they are going to push confiscation with a vengeance. With what they have in mind, they can't have subjects who can offer any resistance.
Posted by: Emmie at September 10, 2019 11:11 AM (i/wJA)

-------

....and that would be a Ft Sumter moment.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 10, 2019 11:15 AM (8XRCm)

51 Sup.

Posted by: FrodoB at September 10, 2019 11:15 AM (i5RAz)

52 Yep. And I have a very derogatory comment to make about chi-town Jerry. But will refrain unless provoked. He does love him some gun control.
Posted by: Xipe Totec
......

Nope.. I have no idea where you got that from.. I am totally against any gun control at all.

But I think all gun sales should be subject to a background check - a check that is the least intrusive and does not record anything in as long term database.

So.. fuck you.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 10, 2019 11:15 AM (438dO)

53 49 Good news that the Boucher douchebag that attacked Rand Paul will be re-sentenced. His original sentence for 30 days for causing critical injuries to person is BS. I believe that Paul just recently had to undergo more surgery for this attack.

Thank God we have some judges with sanity.
Posted by: Cheri at September 10, 2019 11:14 AM (oiNtH)

=========

Thank McConnell for stemming the tide of terrible judges.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:15 AM (iikV8)

54 Someone should suggest starting a "Gay Registry."

Of the 38,000 people infected with HIV in 2017 roughly 25,000 of those were gay.

The numbers I saw on HIV deaths in the USA was from 2013? and there were about 13,000 deaths.

This is as much a public health menace as the left like to claim black scary rifles are while being responsible for a little over 300 deaths.

Posted by: Horus Hearsay at September 10, 2019 11:15 AM (DB16e)

55 36 32 They're keeping track of blog comments? Uh oh!
Posted by: Weasel at September 10, 2019 11:11 AM (RrqtM)
----------------

In my case, I'm quite sure that ship sailed long ago.
Posted by: blake - used salesman salesman
at September 10, 2019 11:12 AM (qC1Sy)

Oh I'm proper fucked if that's the case for me.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 10, 2019 11:15 AM (TOOqT)

56 The left hates the people that go into law enforcement, because, with the exception of the FBI, Federal Judges, and the City of Portland, law enforcement personnel are usually White, males, with traditional values. But, they want to make sure that only law enforcement has weapons. More cognitive dissonance from the retarded left.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at September 10, 2019 11:16 AM (VJZgq)

57 What this story should teach you is registered guns really aren't your guns. If defense is your purpose in owning a gun then owning an unregistered gun is the answer. Cops carry drop pistols for a reason.

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 10, 2019 11:16 AM (2LelM)

58 Are those the things that pop back up if you knock them over?

Posted by: joncelli,

Yes. Fibbies are a class of Weeble.

Posted by: Roland THTG at September 10, 2019 11:16 AM (88+cf)

59 Good morning good people!
Posted by: zeera Moron Author"

How do you know what kind of G*d damned day it is?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 10, 2019 11:17 AM (6qErC)

60 Good news that the Boucher douchebag that attacked Rand Paul will be re-sentenced. His original sentence for 30 days for causing critical injuries to person is BS. I believe that Paul just recently had to undergo more surgery for this attack.

Thank God we have some judges with sanity.
Posted by: Cheri at September 10, 2019 11:14 AM (oiNtH)

Maybe the legal eagles on here can explain how someone gets resentenced. Isn't that like double jeopardy?

Posted by: Jen the original at September 10, 2019 11:17 AM (t0g7x)

61 So.. let's just do away with background checks altogether, right?

Why bother doing any checks if some sales are immune to checks?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry

Are you willing to go thru background checks on every piece of personal property you sell?

If not, why not?
Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2019 11:14 AM (WavOX)

More? Can it be a RIGHT, if you have to get prior government permission, to do it?

I'm sure the Brits at Lexington and Concord would have loved to have a data base of everyone in those town who had a musket (you know, the AR of the day?).

Posted by: Don Quixote at September 10, 2019 11:17 AM (NgKpN)

62 59 Good morning good people!
Posted by: zeera Moron Author"

How do you know what kind of G*d damned day it is?
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 10, 2019 11:17 AM (6qErC)

Horde's feisty today.

Posted by: joncelli, who's totally not in the pay of Big Alien at September 10, 2019 11:17 AM (RD7QR)

63 >>Thank God we have some judges with sanity.

And more everyday. Trump and Cocaine Mitch don't get enough credit for it but they are completely changing the orientation of the federal courts including the SC. By the end of his first term Trump will have appointed over 200 federal judges including 2 on the SC.

These appointments aren't sexy but they will have yuuge impact for decades to come.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2019 11:17 AM (ZLI7S)

64 Curmudgeons can be good people. I'm proof

Posted by: zeera Moron Author Working on Book TWO at September 10, 2019 11:18 AM (T9rmq)

65 Good morning good people!

-
You're not the boss of me!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 10, 2019 11:18 AM (+y/Ru)

66 Oh I'm proper fucked if that's the case for me.
Posted by: Insomniac

----

Count yourself lucky. There is nothing worse than to be improperly fucked.

(couldn't quickly think up a snarky nic but there must be a bazillion)

Posted by: Tonypete at September 10, 2019 11:18 AM (Y4EXg)

67 Constitution was written by old dead white supremacists, therefore it is all null and void.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 10, 2019 11:18 AM (FiUMj)

68 63 >>Thank God we have some judges with sanity.

And more everyday. Trump and Cocaine Mitch don't get enough credit for it but they are completely changing the orientation of the federal courts including the SC. By the end of his first term Trump will have appointed over 200 federal judges including 2 on the SC.

These appointments aren't sexy but they will have yuuge impact for decades to come.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2019 11:17 AM (ZLI7S)

==========

"Wow this seems really import....Hey! Trump said something dumb on Twitter about a celebrity!"
-The Left

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:19 AM (iikV8)

69 64 Curmudgeons can be good people. I'm proof
Posted by: zeera Moron Author Working on Book TWO at September 10, 2019 11:18 AM (T9rmq)

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As a curmudgeon since birth, all I can say is, "Get off my lawn!"

Posted by: blake - used salesman salesman
at September 10, 2019 11:19 AM (qC1Sy)

70 Why bother doing any checks if some sales are immune to checks?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry

----

Anybody that is in the firearms business is already required to do background checks.

Private individual to individual sales and inheritance are the only transfers that do not require background checks.

Tell you what. 70,000 people die from opioids every single year in the US. I suppose you want the dealers and the pusher to get their pharmacy license then..... huh.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 10, 2019 11:20 AM (8XRCm)

71 68 63 >>Thank God we have some judges with sanity.

And more everyday. Trump and Cocaine Mitch don't get enough credit for it but they are completely changing the orientation of the federal courts including the SC. By the end of his first term Trump will have appointed over 200 federal judges including 2 on the SC.

These appointments aren't sexy but they will have yuuge impact for decades to come.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2019 11:17 AM (ZLI7S)

==========

"Wow this seems really import....Hey! Trump said something dumb on Twitter about a celebrity!"
-The Left
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:19 AM (iikV

TGEOTUS uses his power in mysterious ways.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Relax, buy ammo and don't give one inch at September 10, 2019 11:20 AM (bcbK8)

72
This is as much a public health menace as the left like to claim black scary rifles are while being responsible for a little over 300 deaths.
Posted by: Horus Hearsay

Definitely worse than cigarettes according to Dennis Prager.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 10, 2019 11:20 AM (aKsyK)

73 37 Well... unfortunately, I lost ALL of my guns in a tragic pontoon accident.

I misread "pontoon" when I first read your comment. And I dare say it sounds MUCH better the way I misread it!

Posted by: doof at September 10, 2019 11:20 AM (olgDX)

74 Government isn't necessarily the enemy, Liberalism, Progressivism, Communism--everything derived from Marxism is the enemy.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 10, 2019

A distinction without a difference.
=========
Its not really about an "ism".

Government attracts and collects sociopaths. Eventually they take over the institutions, regardless of the rules -because they think rules are for other people. If you can't motivate bad people to do the right thing, you're at the mercy of the bad people. Typically, motivation comes from punishment and reward. When the sociopaths are in charge of both, they see to it they receive regular reward, and avoid all punishment.

Thus, the rather one the nose comment regarding the Tree of liberty's fertilizer, by T. Jeffy Jeff, the fresh prince of Monticello.

Posted by: simplemind at September 10, 2019 11:20 AM (9QeeS)

75 And more everyday. Trump and Cocaine Mitch don't get enough credit for it but they are completely changing the orientation of the federal courts including the SC. By the end of his first term Trump will have appointed over 200 federal judges including 2 on the SC.

These appointments aren't sexy but they will have yuuge impact for decades to come.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2019 11:17 AM (ZLI7S)

__

Yep.

However, all of Obama's judges will also be around fro decades. He appointed very young judges. And all a lib has to do is judge shop, hence how you get the asylum rulings. Notice how none of these suits are heard by Trump judges. That isn't going to change any time soon.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 10, 2019 11:20 AM (FiUMj)

76 Pardon, I should not have made a hasty assumption like that!

Posted by: zeera Moron Author Working on Book TWO--
Yeah, who you calling 'good people'?

Posted by: FrodoB, learning to reload at September 10, 2019 11:20 AM (i5RAz)

77 From fishing licenses to fishing expeditions @3.2 GHz

Posted by: DaveA at September 10, 2019 11:21 AM (FhXTo)

78 Give me Liberty or give me Pumpkin Spice Latte.

Posted by: Stuff Patrick Henry might have said. at September 10, 2019 11:21 AM (88+cf)

79 Good news that the Boucher douchebag that attacked Rand Paul will be re-sentenced. His original sentence for 30 days for causing critical injuries to person is BS. I believe that Paul just recently had to undergo more surgery for this attack.

Thank God we have some judges with sanity.
Posted by: Cheri at September 10, 2019 11:14 AM (oiNtH)

Maybe the legal eagles on here can explain how someone gets resentenced. Isn't that like double jeopardy?
Posted by: Jen the original

I know tried for the same crime is double jeopardy.
Don't know a thing about re-sentenced.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2019 11:21 AM (dDUXP)

80
There is nothing worse than to be improperly fucked.

------

I rate this statement as false.

Sex is like pizza.
When its good. Its good.

When its bad.... Its STILL good.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 10, 2019 11:21 AM (8XRCm)

81 62 59 Good morning good people!
Posted by: zeera Moron Author"

How do you know what kind of G*d damned day it is?
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 10, 2019 11:17 AM (6qErC)

Horde's feisty today.
Posted by: joncelli, who's totally not in the pay of Big Alien at September 10, 2019 11:17 AM (RD7QR)

Seems that way. I count myself among the number of the on edge.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 10, 2019 11:21 AM (TOOqT)

82 I don't understand the legal foundation allowing random leftwing judges to block federal action on anything just because the Democrats ask.

How is that a possibility at all?

Posted by: N.L. Urker. I will urk until I can't urk anymore. at September 10, 2019 11:21 AM (Uu+Jp)

83 75 Yep.

However, all of Obama's judges will also be around fro decades. He appointed very young judges. And all a lib has to do is judge shop, hence how you get the asylum rulings. Notice how none of these suits are heard by Trump judges. That isn't going to change any time soon.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 10, 2019 11:20 AM (FiUMj)

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Well, McConnell slowed appointments to pretty much a stop for Obama's final two years, and he turned on the spigot once Trump was in office.

Even if Trump loses in 2020, I imagine his impact over 4 years will be greater than Obama's in 8.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:22 AM (iikV8)

84 Powerline has a good piece on the Rand Paul assault and re sentencing

Posted by: Horus Hearsay at September 10, 2019 11:22 AM (DB16e)

85 because they think rules are for other people"

They mean to govern well, but they mean to govern.

D. Webster...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 10, 2019 11:22 AM (6qErC)

86 Sex is like pizza.
When its good. Its good.

When its bad.... Its STILL good.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 10, 2019 11:21 AM (8XRCm)

______

Ever had Dominos?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at September 10, 2019 11:22 AM (flINI)

87 When we start doing background checks on voters then we can talk about registering guns and doing background checks. I'm a sanctuary American. The only ones that should be questoined is American cities restricting the Civil Rights of Americans. We have this debate all backwards.

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 10, 2019 11:22 AM (2LelM)

88 82 I don't understand the legal foundation allowing random leftwing judges to block federal action on anything just because the Democrats ask.

How is that a possibility at all?
Posted by: N.L. Urker. I will urk until I can't urk anymore. at September 10, 2019 11:21 AM (Uu+Jp)

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*rubbing penumbras all over his face while getting blown by a precedent*

"It's kosher. Trust me."
-Hawaiian judge

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:22 AM (iikV8)

89 82 I don't understand the legal foundation allowing random leftwing judges to block federal action on anything just because the Democrats ask.

How is that a possibility at all?
Posted by: N.L. Urker. I will urk until I can't urk anymore. at September 10, 2019 11:21 AM (Uu+Jp)

No one's ever stood up to them, why wouldn't they?

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at September 10, 2019 11:23 AM (k76MH)

90 Ever had Dominos?
Posted by: Truck Monkey at September 10, 2019 11:22 AM (flINI)

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The twin sisters???

Posted by: fixerupper at September 10, 2019 11:23 AM (8XRCm)

91 the legal foundation allowing random leftwing judges to block federal action on anything just because the Democrats ask."

You answered your own question.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 10, 2019 11:23 AM (6qErC)

92 90 Ever had Dominos?
Posted by: Truck Monkey at September 10, 2019 11:22 AM (flINI)

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The twin sisters???
Posted by: fixerupper at September 10, 2019 11:23 AM (8XRCm)

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"Come play with us."

OT: I'm kinda looking forward to Doctor Sleep.

https://youtu.be/BOzFZxB-8cw

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:24 AM (iikV8)

93 Sex is like pizza.
When its good. Its good.

When its bad.... Its STILL good.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 10, 2019 11:21 AM (8XRCm)

______

*Makes phone gesture to the side of face*

Call me...

Posted by: Lena Dunham at September 10, 2019 11:24 AM (flINI)

94 52
Yep. And I have a very derogatory comment to make about chi-town Jerry.
But will refrain unless provoked. He does love him some gun control.

Posted by: Xipe Totec

......

Nope.. I have no idea where you got that from.. I am totally against any gun control at all.

But I think all gun sales should be subject to a background check - a
check that is the least intrusive and does not record anything in as
long term database.

So.. fuck you.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 10, 2019 11:15 AM (438dO)
On the surface, the BGCs sound good. The govt. "isn't supposed to" retain the data submitted to them on the person purchasing a firearm. But do you believe that?
And what of those people who go through the trouble of trying to legally purchase a firearm, only to be denied - and determined that they lied on the form 4473? Are they ever prosecuted? Past statistics show they aren't. So why bother having the law in the first place?Also, look at the process of going through a BGC as seeking permission from the federal government. Isn't that what it is? Last I checked, our rights to arms was a God given right, not one granted by the government.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 10, 2019 11:24 AM (D3cJf)

95 86 Sex is like pizza.
When its good. Its good.

When its bad.... Its STILL good.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 10, 2019 11:21 AM (8XRCm)

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Ever had Dominos?
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Carbohydrates will make you fat, dumb and lazy so its like sex. The difference is sex won't rot your teeth. Carbs will.

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 10, 2019 11:24 AM (2LelM)

96 Good news that the Boucher douchebag that attacked Rand Paul will be re-sentenced. His original sentence for 30 days for causing critical injuries to person is BS. I believe that Paul just recently had to undergo more surgery for this attack.

Thank God we have some judges with sanity.
Posted by: Cheri at September 10, 2019 11:14 AM (oiNtH)

Maybe the legal eagles on here can explain how someone gets resentenced. Isn't that like double jeopardy?
Posted by: Jen the original

I know tried for the same crime is double jeopardy.
Don't know a thing about re-sentenced.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2019 11:21 AM (dDUXP)
If I assaulted a neighbor in the same way wouldn't I be guaranteed a stiffer sentence than 30 days in jail?

Posted by: N.L. Urker. I will urk until I can't urk anymore. at September 10, 2019 11:24 AM (Uu+Jp)

97 Ever had Dominos?"

How does one have sex w/them?

/nevermind

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 10, 2019 11:24 AM (6qErC)

98 Sex is like pizza.
When its good. Its good.

When its bad.... Its STILL good.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 10, 2019 11:21 AM (8XRCm)

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Ever had Dominos?
Posted by: Truck Monkey

Mr. Jim's? Little Caesar's? Pizza Patron?

Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2019 11:24 AM (dDUXP)

99 49 Good news that the Boucher douchebag that attacked Rand Paul will be re-sentenced. His original sentence for 30 days for causing critical injuries to person is BS. I believe that Paul just recently had to undergo more surgery for this attack.

Thank God we have some judges with sanity.
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I just read that 6th Circuit opinion and was struck by what a shitty job the sentencing judge did. The federal sentencing guidelines are pretty specific about what factors should, and should not, be considered. Yet this woman just ignored them and did what she wanted.

The guidelines say that you don't consider things like educational level of the defendant, social status, reputation, etc. They also say that you don't consider what the state-law sentence for the same crime might have been. But despite the guidelines and clear case law, this judge essentially says, "I'm going to give the defendant a 30-day sentence because he's a doctor and has a good education and a good reputation and is well-regarded in the community, and anyway he only would have received 30 days if this had been charged as a state law crime." Or, IOW, screw the law, I'll just do what I feel like doing.

And then judges are surprised that people don't respect them. Why should anyone respect a judge like this? She's either lazy or stupid or just decided that she's not bound by the federal guidelines or the case law and can just do whatever the hell she pleases.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 10, 2019 11:24 AM (k4dH2)

100 Ever had Dominos?
Posted by: Truck Monkey at September 10, 2019 11:22 AM (flINI)

Horrible.

And Papa John's even worse.....

Posted by: JoeF. at September 10, 2019 11:25 AM (NFEMn)

101

The MFM is gleefully reporting that Trump's latest poll numbers are down. Why? People are concerned about the economy. Now where would they get the impression that the economy is bad or headed that way?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 10, 2019 11:25 AM (kw5n8)

102 99
And then judges are surprised that people don't respect them. Why should anyone respect a judge like this? She's either lazy or stupid or just decided that she's not bound by the federal guidelines or the case law and can just do whatever the hell she pleases.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 10, 2019 11:24 AM (k4dH2)

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*facepalm*

"Okay...maybe there's one Obama judge."
-Roberts

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:25 AM (iikV8)

103 If I assaulted a neighbor in the same way wouldn't I be guaranteed a stiffer sentence than 30 days in jail?
Posted by: N.L. Urker

Not if you were a democrat & tried by a democrat for assaulting a republican.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2019 11:25 AM (dDUXP)

104 will make you fat, dumb and lazy so its like sex."

We have a very, very, very different idea about sex, then.

Very different.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 10, 2019 11:25 AM (6qErC)

105 The left hates the people that go into law enforcement, because, with the exception of the FBI, Federal Judges, and the City of Portland, law enforcement personnel are usually White, males, with traditional values. But, they want to make sure that only law enforcement has weapons. More cognitive dissonance from the retarded left.
Posted by: Anonymous White Male

More recent events whereby Police are responding to an incident and the crowds are throwing things at them and it's a big Fuck you to the cops. Last incident Police (in NYC I think) were standing by while Fire Dept. was putting out a fire. Some guy hurls a an open container of milk at a very large black cop. Cop ducks but the container still splashed the cop with milk. Same incident a woman runs up and rips the bodycam off of a cop. Nice work Obama and gang who foment hatred of LE.

Posted by: Cheri at September 10, 2019 11:25 AM (oiNtH)

106 So.. let's just do away with background checks altogether, right?

Why bother doing any checks if some sales are immune to checks?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 10, 2019 11:12 AM (438dO)

Yeah. Why not do that? America did fine without background checks for buying firearms for close to 200 years. And we have plenty of recent examples to show us that felons and/or nutbars that failed, or should have failed a background check were able to acquire weapons, and commit ghastly crimes in any event.

Mass shootings are terrifying events, but statistically, one is more likely to die of a medical error, or being struck down in a crosswalk by a drunk illegal alien in an uninsured car. And both of those causes could be reduced more easily than mass shootings.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 10, 2019 11:26 AM (jEgzt)

107 I misread "pontoon" when I first read your comment. And I dare say it sounds MUCH better the way I misread it!

Posted by: doof>>
Yep, me too.

Posted by: FrodoB, learning to reload at September 10, 2019 11:26 AM (i5RAz)

108 60 Jen

Short answer: no.

Double jeopardy applies to the guilt or innocence verdict, not to the sentence imposed.

It is fairly common for the govt to take an "affirmative appeal," as in this case. Although the Federal Sentencing Guidelines are now advisory (they were once mandatory), judges are still required to calculate the Guidelines sentence range RIRST, & then explain carefully & in detail any decision to depart, either upward or downward.

In this case, the Court of Appeals found the sentencing judge's reasoning to be "objectively unreasonable."

Btw, the 6th Circuit judge who wrote the opinion reversing & remanding this case for resentencing is a big honking liberal.

Posted by: mnw at September 10, 2019 11:26 AM (Cssks)

109 Scope App - hope they don't mean Strelok Pro. If so I am right screwed.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at September 10, 2019 11:27 AM (5l6gb)

110 >>If I assaulted a neighbor in the same way wouldn't I be guaranteed a stiffer sentence than 30 days in jail?

That's pretty much what the judge, who is an Obama appointee, said in her opinion.

She listed a number of cases of similar assault where the perp got significantly more time and couldn't find one where the perp got off so easy.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2019 11:27 AM (ZLI7S)

111 Oh, I wouldn't mind a tragic poontang incident...

Posted by: joncelli, who's totally not in the pay of Big Alien at September 10, 2019 11:27 AM (RD7QR)

112 Well, McConnell slowed appointments to pretty much a stop for Obama's final two years, and he turned on the spigot once Trump was in office.

Even if Trump loses in 2020, I imagine his impact over 4 years will be greater than Obama's in 8.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:22 AM (iikV

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What I meant was even if let's say the ratio of Trump to Obama judges is higher, the minority of Obama judges still have an outsided influence. Much like how Democrats in the Senate still run things even when Republicans supposedly have a majority.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 10, 2019 11:27 AM (FiUMj)

113 Ever had Dominos?
Posted by: Truck Monkey

Mr. Jim's? Little Caesar's? Pizza Patron?
Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2019 11:24 AM (dDUXP)

One good thing about living in NJ is we never have to resort to the chain pizzerias.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 10, 2019 11:27 AM (NFEMn)

114 Man, I want an edit feature.

Stupid typos.

Well, gonna be a work day again. I'll be back at lunch, if possible.

Relax, have fun, buy guns and ammo though. Because those fuckers don't want you to have them. Even if it's just a Ruger 10/22.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Relax, buy ammo and don't give one inch at September 10, 2019 11:27 AM (bcbK8)

115 Do Strombolis count as sex?

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 10, 2019 11:28 AM (2LelM)

116 So.. let's just do away with background checks altogether, right?

Why bother doing any checks if some sales are immune to checks?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry

Are you willing to go thru background checks on every piece of personal property you sell?

If not, why not?

Still waiting Jerry.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2019 11:28 AM (dDUXP)

117 112
What I meant was even if let's say the ratio of Trump to Obama judges is higher, the minority of Obama judges still have an outsided influence. Much like how Democrats in the Senate still run things even when Republicans supposedly have a majority.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 10, 2019 11:27 AM (FiUMj)

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Yeah, we'll never be rid of activist progressive judges.

Lawfare will continue until SCOTUS stops allowing these things to have such a large effect.

Now, whether THAT happens or not is another question.

I'm mildly hopeful.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:28 AM (iikV8)

118 She listed a number of cases of similar assault where the perp got significantly more time and couldn't find one where the perp got off so easy.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2019 11:27 AM (ZLI7S)

See, it's all a matter of who your victim is, and whether that victim has wrongthink.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 10, 2019 11:28 AM (ZYB2s)

119 Do Strombolis count as sex?
Posted by: Puddin Head

if yer doing it wrong !

Posted by: JT at September 10, 2019 11:29 AM (arJlL)

120 One good thing about living in NJ is we never have to resort to the chain pizzerias.
Posted by: JoeF. at September 10, 2019 11:27 AM (NFEMn)

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It's amazing to me that MD has such shitty pizza place. I haven't been able to fine one good one. MN has better pizza. How is that possible?

Posted by: Lena Dunham at September 10, 2019 11:29 AM (flINI)

121 118 She listed a number of cases of similar assault where the perp got significantly more time and couldn't find one where the perp got off so easy.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2019 11:27 AM (ZLI7S)

See, it's all a matter of who your victim is, and whether that victim has wrongthink.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 10, 2019 11:28 AM (ZYB2s)

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Does it factor in if we've always been at war with Oceana or not?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:29 AM (iikV8)

122 The whole argument over gun control strikes me as non-sensical. Guns don't explain why kids in Chicago shoot each other. The two things don't even belong in the same conversation. Thought experiment: If guns didn't exist, would there still be the same level of mortal violence among teenage gang members and bystanders, in Chicago?
Of course there would be. Guns are completely not the problem and eliminating guns won't solve the problem.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, a low grade social fever at September 10, 2019 11:29 AM (LISuA)

123 Cops are union members who vote reliably D. My give a fuck for them is pegged at 0.0 right now. Plus retiring at 40 with a full pension and health benefits also doesn't make me shed too many tears for them.

Is it a tough job? Sure. But there are 1000 other tough jobs too, without the insanely generous retirement/benefit packages our "heroes in blue" get.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 10, 2019 11:29 AM (FiUMj)

124 Good news that the Boucher douchebag that attacked
Rand Paul will be re-sentenced. His original sentence for 30 days for
causing critical injuries to person is BS. I believe that Paul just
recently had to undergo more surgery for this attack.

Thank God we have some judges with sanity.

Posted by: Cheri at September 10, 2019 11:14 AM (oiNtH)

Maybe the legal eagles on here can explain how someone gets resentenced. Isn't that like double jeopardy?

Posted by: Jen the original at September 10, 2019 11:17 AM

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Paul's lawyers appealed the sentencing. And the Judges hearing the appeal agreed with Paul's team that it was way too lenient. They also hinted that it may have been politically motivated by saying there was no justification for the 30 days sentence which is "well below guidelines".

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 10, 2019 11:29 AM (JUOKG)

125 Mass shootings are terrifying events, but statistically, one is more likely to die of a medical error, or being struck down in a crosswalk by a drunk illegal alien in an uninsured car. And both of those causes could be reduced more easily than mass shootings.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 10, 2019 11:26 AM (jEgzt)

More people die to fists and feet every year than rifles.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at September 10, 2019 11:30 AM (J+mig)

126 I just read that 6th Circuit opinion and was struck by what a shitty job the sentencing judge did."

She (the original judge) was a gift of Slick Willie... and she's a headcase. Seriously nuts.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 10, 2019 11:30 AM (6qErC)

127 Universal background checks WILL also cover loaning a gun to someone, letting them try it out at the range, etc.

Pretty much any time it is no longer in your control and is in someone else's hands.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2019 11:30 AM (dDUXP)

128 If anyone attacks that Obama judge, they will get 20 years in PMITA prison.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 10, 2019 11:30 AM (+aZp3)

129 Posted by: Weasel at September 10, 2019 11:11 AM (RrqtM)

Hey Weasel. I seem to remember you recommending a book a while back, I think on ballistics. Could you repeat that? Thanks.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at September 10, 2019 11:30 AM (qc+VF)

130 Btw, the 6th Circuit judge who wrote the opinion reversing & remanding this case for resentencing is a big honking liberal.
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Liberals were once all about civil rights and equality before the law. This judge is probably cut from that cloth. The Left is all about control and punching down based on identity. There is a civil war going on in the Dem party for a reason.

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 10, 2019 11:30 AM (2LelM)

131 118 Cicero

But... that's exactly why the sentence was reversed & remanded!

Posted by: mnw at September 10, 2019 11:31 AM (Cssks)

132 Powerline has a good piece on the Rand Paul assault and re sentencing
Posted by: Horus Hearsay at September 10, 2019 11:22 AM (DB16e)

Thanks, I just went there. Now I understand, sentencing was appealed by the govt. to the sixth circuit, which vacated the sentencing and sent it back to be resentenced according to sentencing guidelines.

Posted by: Jen the original at September 10, 2019 11:31 AM (t0g7x)

133 Guns are completely not the problem and eliminating guns won't solve the problem."

That's not the point. "We have to do something" is...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 10, 2019 11:31 AM (6qErC)

134 Scope App - hope they don't mean Strelok Pro. If so I am right screwed.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at September 10, 2019 11:27 AM (5l6gb)

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It wasnt Strelok. But..... its coming. Soon ALL of your data from apps not blessed by the Power of the State will be forwarded to the appropriate law enforcement or federal agencies so as to nudge you in the direction of ProperThink and Social Compliance.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 10, 2019 11:31 AM (8XRCm)

135 Paul's lawyers appealed the sentencing. And the Judges hearing the appeal agreed with Paul's team that it was way too lenient. They also hinted that it may have been politically motivated by saying there was no justification for the 30 days sentence which is "well below guidelines".
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 10, 2019 11:29 AM (JUOKG)

In a saner world, that judge would get booted from the bench and thrown in prison for a decade or two for such an egregious abuse of power.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at September 10, 2019 11:31 AM (J+mig)

136 Yeah. Why not do that? America did fine without background checks for
buying firearms for close to 200 years. And we have plenty of recent
examples to show us that felons and/or nutbars that failed, or should have failed a background check were able to acquire weapons, and commit ghastly crimes in any event.

That's an argument for better people conducting the background checks, not an argument against BG checks. I have no problem with a nutbar or felon being unable to legally buy a gun. That the system failed is a commentary about the efficiency of government.

Posted by: pep at September 10, 2019 11:32 AM (T6t7i)

137 I've had shitty and good pizza everywhere in the country. Same with Mexican and Chinese and whatever else.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 10, 2019 11:32 AM (FiUMj)

138
I am totally against any gun control at all.

But I think all gun sales should be subject to a background check

Huh?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 10, 2019 11:32 AM (aKsyK)

139 128 If anyone attacks that Obama judge, they will get 20 years in PMITA prison.
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Well, this is true only if the attacker is identified. Stuff happens. What is the indictment rate on murders in Chicago?

Posted by: Puddin Head at September 10, 2019 11:32 AM (2LelM)

140 Cops are union members who vote reliably D. My give a
fuck for them is pegged at 0.0 right now. Plus retiring at 40 with a
full pension and health benefits also doesn't make me shed too many
tears for them.

Is it a tough job? Sure. But there are 1000 other tough jobs too,
without the insanely generous retirement/benefit packages our "heroes in
blue" get.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 10, 2019 11:29 AM

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No Cop unions around here and I doubt that one in ten votes democrat.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 10, 2019 11:32 AM (JUOKG)

141 ELINT News @ELINTNews
24m
Netanyahu set to give big announcement possibly on annexations of part(s) of the West Bank it seems. Eyes on.

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at September 10, 2019 11:32 AM (BqBId)

142 The MFM is gleefully reporting that Trump's latest poll numbers are down. Why? People are concerned about the economy. Now where would they get the impression that the economy is bad or headed that way?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 10, 2019 11:25 AM (kw5n

This is what they are going to keep doing--trying to actually talk the economy down and if they can't do that, at least scare people into thinking it's on the verge of collapse.

The tell is going to be when the media starts asking people "who do you trust more on the economy, Republicans or Democrats?" What this really means is, "Who is going to give you more free shit?"

The only thing is, it's Trump they are dealing with, not Bush in '08.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 10, 2019 11:33 AM (NFEMn)

143 Guns are completely not the problem and eliminating guns won't solve the problem."

That's not the point. "We have to do something" is...
Posted by: Anon a mouse

Tell them to sit in the corner and jerk off since it will be just as effective.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2019 11:33 AM (dDUXP)

144 I've had shitty and good pizza everywhere in the country. Same with Mexican and Chinese and whatever else.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 10, 2019 11:32 AM (FiUMj)

This is a truism. Not all Mexicans and Chinese have had really good pizza.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 10, 2019 11:33 AM (ZYB2s)

145 There IS something going on at Camp David this week. I was on Route 15 in Maryland yesterday and saw the longest official convoy I've ever seen headed north. Today there has been helicopter traffic flying over my house headed that way too. I will be interested to find out what is happening there.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at September 10, 2019 11:33 AM (flINI)

146 They are tryng to regulate/eliminate knives in the UK.

3000 years of History and they can't trust themselves to have sharp objects.

Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2019 11:33 AM (0Uei+)

147 143 Guns are completely not the problem and eliminating guns won't solve the problem."

That's not the point. "We have to do something" is...
Posted by: Anon a mouse

Tell them to sit in the corner and jerk off since it will be just as effective.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2019 11:33 AM (dDUXP)

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We shall invade Carthage!

It'll have the same effect on gun deaths as pretty much anything else they propose.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:33 AM (iikV8)

148 =========

"People shouldn't be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."

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this is one of those quotes that the leftists drag out when a nominal 'conservative' is in power, but it was suspiciously absent when Gay Barry was in power

I say it should always be in effect.

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at September 10, 2019 11:34 AM (RKQ/v)

149 146 They are tryng to regulate/eliminate knives in the UK.

3000 years of History and they can't trust themselves to have sharp objects.

Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2019 11:33 AM (0Uei+)

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It'd be hilarious if it goes really far and the British government starts going from house to house measuring cutting knives and confiscating those that don't meet some kind of standard.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:34 AM (iikV8)

150 124 Scotsman

"Paul's lawyers" did not appeal the sentence. The U.S. Department of Justice decided to appeal the sentence.

The better description of "Paul's lawyers" is "federal prosecutors."

Private litigants can not appeal fed criminal sentences. They have no standing to do so.

Posted by: mnw at September 10, 2019 11:34 AM (Cssks)

151 Tell them to sit in the corner and jerk off since it will be just as effective.

Posted by: rickb223

Disagree. The pleasure aspect aside, a nutbar is probably going to have at least some difficulty acquiring an illegal gun. Is it impossible? Of course not, but it's an additional hurdle.

Posted by: pep at September 10, 2019 11:34 AM (T6t7i)

152 No Cop unions around here and I doubt that one in ten votes democrat.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 10, 2019 11:32 AM (JUOKG)

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You must live in a rural area I presume. Any city with a population over 50K has a unionized, very Democrat, police force.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 10, 2019 11:34 AM (FiUMj)

153 If it can be reasonably established that the original judge in the Paul assault was ridiculously lenient for political reasons shouldn't that judge get fired.

And isn't it reasonable to think a doctor who assaulted a neighbor should have his career damaged? Who wants an insane doctor?

Posted by: N.L. Urker. I will urk until I can't urk anymore. at September 10, 2019 11:34 AM (Uu+Jp)

154 >>I've had shitty and good pizza everywhere in the country. Same with Mexican and Chinese and whatever else.

Bullshit. You can't find good pizza just about anywhere.

Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2019 11:35 AM (0Uei+)

155 I can't wait to see my social credit score.

Social Czar: Zero point Zero. Faithful, thrifty and law abiding is no way to go through life Mr.

Moron: Buuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrpppp!

Posted by: simplemind at September 10, 2019 11:35 AM (5HE6w)

156 That's an argument for better people conducting the background checks, not an argument against BG checks. I have no problem with a nutbar or felon being unable to legally buy a gun. That the system failed is a commentary about the efficiency of government.

Posted by: pep

Sandy Hook. Mom legally owns the gun.

HER CHILD KILLS HER AND TAKES IT.

Show me a background check that prevents that.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2019 11:35 AM (dDUXP)

157 They are tryng to regulate/eliminate knives in the UK.

3000 years of History and they can't trust themselves to have sharp objects.

Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2019 11:33 AM (0Uei+)

Edward II might have been saved if England had only had common sense red-hot poker regulation.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 10, 2019 11:35 AM (ZYB2s)

158 This guy is live blogging the Flynn case.

https://twitter.com/PetrSvab

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2019 11:35 AM (ZLI7S)

159 I've had shitty and good pizza everywhere in the country. Same with Mexican and Chinese and whatever else.

Bullshit. You can't find good pizza just about anywhere.
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St. Louis

*Shudders*

The horrors, the horrors.

Posted by: simplemind at September 10, 2019 11:36 AM (OWP0X)

160
There would have never been a plea if govt produced exculpatory info, she said.

Powell argues prosecution should be dismissed entirely based on failure to provide exculpatory information even before Flynn's plea.

Judge put forward a "targeting sentencing date" of Dec. 18.

Petr Svab @PetrSvab
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"Mere showing of theoretical relevance" is not enough to force govt to hand over classified info, Judge said.
Judge specifies he will use U.S. v Yunis case standard for deciding on production of classified information to Flynn.

Petr Svab @PetrSvab
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Flynn agreed to waive discovery rights in his plea, Judge pointed out. But the govt still needs to comply with the court's Brady order, he said.
Petr Svab @PetrSvab

Judge said his Brady order after Flynn's plea was not to "suggest" anything. He said he just issues them for every case.

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at September 10, 2019 11:37 AM (BqBId)

161 146
They are tryng to regulate/eliminate knives in the UK.

3000 years of History and they can't trust themselves to have sharp objects.

Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2019 11:33 AM (0Uei+)
The UK, and Europe as a whole, are doomed. As I've said before, we will be going back to save them again. Sometime in our lifetime.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 10, 2019 11:37 AM (D3cJf)

162 Bullshit. You can't find good pizza just about anywhere.
Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2019 11:35 AM (0Uei+)

Only in the Northeast. Has simply to do with Italian immigration in early 20th century ....AND the water supply.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 10, 2019 11:37 AM (NFEMn)

163 Sorry I missed the Art Thread. 4 Seasons by Alphonse Mucha tops any other 4 seasons ever done by anybody.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2019 11:38 AM (Kpl3J)

164 "
That's an argument for better people conducting
the background checks, not an argument against BG checks. I have no
problem with a nutbar or felon being unable to legally buy a gun. That
the system failed is a commentary about the efficiency of government.

Posted by: pep at September 10, 2019 11:32 AM (T6t7i)"
..My position is that if you can't be trusted with ownership of arms due to criminal convictions or mental health, then you have ABSOLUTELY NO BUSINESS walking free among the rest of us.

Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at September 10, 2019 11:38 AM (67XdO)

165 111 Oh, I wouldn't mind a tragic poontang incident...
Posted by: joncelli, who's totally not in the pay of Big Alien at September 10, 2019 11:27 AM (RD7QR)

Like falling in and drowning?

Posted by: Insomniac at September 10, 2019 11:38 AM (TOOqT)

166
Sandy Hook. Mom legally owns the gun.

HER CHILD KILLS HER AND TAKES IT.

Show me a background check that prevents that.

Posted by: rickb223

I answered your question in @151. Also, gun safes.

Posted by: pep at September 10, 2019 11:38 AM (T6t7i)

167 the original judge in the Paul assault was ridiculously lenient for political reasons "

Feelz. She throws the book at white collar crimes because "bad"...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 10, 2019 11:38 AM (6qErC)

168 110 >>If I assaulted a neighbor in the same way wouldn't I be guaranteed a stiffer sentence than 30 days in jail?

That's pretty much what the judge, who is an Obama appointee, said in her opinion.

She listed a number of cases of similar assault where the perp got significantly more time and couldn't find one where the perp got off so easy.
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The defense had argued for a 30-day sentence because under KY state law, that's typically the sentence for assaults that cause minor injuries.

The problem with that argument was that (1) this was not a state law case, it was federal; and (2) the injuries to Paul were NOT minor, they were serious, long-lasting injuries.

The dickwad neighbor had lowered his head and ran toward Paul from the back, spearing him with his head. Paul had no opportunity to even see the attack coming, let alone prepare himself. The attack caused a collapsed lung and broke 6 ribs, some of them completely in half, and several of the ribs did not heal properly, which caused continuing pain and difficulty breathing. Paul has had a couple of bouts of pneumonia because of the injuries, and even had to have surgery to have part of one lung removed. He will be suffering the effects of this attack for years to come, maybe even for the rest of his life.

For this sentencing judge to decide that a 30-day sentence was appropriate punishment for an unprovoked, sneak attack that caused intensely painful, life-threatening injuries was just insane.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 10, 2019 11:38 AM (k4dH2)

169 The key to good Chinese in rural america is finding a Railroad Town.

Two main lines cross and there is a good chance there is an actual Chinese Family there, slinging LoMein.

Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2019 11:38 AM (0Uei+)

170 155 I can't wait to see my social credit score.

Social Czar: Zero point Zero. Faithful, thrifty and law abiding is no way to go through life Mr.

Moron: Buuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrpppp!
Posted by: simplemind at September 10, 2019 11:35 AM (5HE6w)
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Oh, you know it's coming. Won't surprise me one bit if somehow social credit score is codified into law for one reason or another.

Posted by: blake - used salesman salesman
at September 10, 2019 11:38 AM (qC1Sy)

171 No Cop unions around here and I doubt that one in ten votes democrat.
...

Most cops do not vote Dem nowadays.

A major cop union (100k) just endorsed trump.

Posted by: HA at September 10, 2019 11:38 AM (MAstk)

172 You don't have the right to murder people.

You do have the right to be able to kill people.

If that makes you uncomfortable, you are not an adult.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2019 11:38 AM (pPqXK)

173 154 >>I've had shitty and good pizza everywhere in the country. Same with Mexican and Chinese and whatever else.

Bullshit. You can't find good pizza just about anywhere.
Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2019 11:35 AM (0Uei+)

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My taste buds beg to differ. I've worked and lived everywhere in this country. And if there is one thing I realized it's that for the most part everyone and everything is the same everywhere. At least when it comes to cities. So you will find great pizza in Dallas and Denver and Boise and Atlanta....despite what the people in NYC might think.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 10, 2019 11:39 AM (FiUMj)

174 ..My position is that if you can't be trusted with
ownership of arms due to criminal convictions or mental health, then you
have ABSOLUTELY NO BUSINESS walking free among the rest of us.

Posted by: lurker
Agree. Let me know when that becomes law.

Posted by: pep at September 10, 2019 11:39 AM (T6t7i)

175 >>Only in the Northeast. Has simply to do with Italian immigration in early 20th century ....AND the water supply.

The Yeast, too. Believe it or not...that's the biggest difference I have found. And I used to sling those pizzas for the man.

Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2019 11:39 AM (0Uei+)

176 Only in the Northeast"

Oh goody. Another reason to avoid that part of the world.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 10, 2019 11:39 AM (6qErC)

177 I answered your question in @151. Also, gun safes.
Posted by: pep

That wasn't an answer.
And he had access to the safe.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2019 11:39 AM (dDUXP)

178 171 No Cop unions around here and I doubt that one in ten votes democrat.
...

Most cops do not vote Dem nowadays.

A major cop union (100k) just endorsed trump.
Posted by: HA at September 10, 2019 11:38 AM (MAstk)

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I suppose it's easy to imagine the union meetings where the union leadership is querying the rank and file.

"So, we, as your representatives, have decided that it's best to endorse the Democrat."

"The Democrat who said that all cops are racist, especially us black cops, and that we should disband?"

"Yeah, that one."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:40 AM (iikV8)

179
BGC = just another law a criminal will break.

Laws are not magical pixy dust. If they were, "thou shalt not kill" would have handled it.

BUT BUT BUT we MUST be seen to DO SOMETHING!!!!

Reopen some insane asylums - make about 20K placements. You'd be doing something useful.

Posted by: simplemind at September 10, 2019 11:40 AM (gJAj7)

180 Only in the Northeast. Has simply to do with Italian immigration in early 20th century ....AND the water supply.

The Yeast, too. Believe it or not...that's the biggest difference I have found. And I used to sling those pizzas for the man.
Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2019 11:39 AM (0Uei+)

Same reason why the bagels are superior in the same areas.
And Italian bread.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 10, 2019 11:41 AM (NFEMn)

181 That's not the point. "We have to do something" is...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 10, 2019 11:31 AM (6qErC)

People need frequent reminders that for every problem, there is a solution that is simple, elegant, obvious, and dead wrong.

"Doing something" isn't useful when the thing you're doing isn't an effective means of solving the problem. Slapping a tiny band-aid on a sucking chest wound does nothing to help.

Back when this country was founded, you could own a ship of the line capable of bombarding cities. A single cannon from such a ship, smuggled under a tarp into a crowded market, loaded with grapeshot could cause several times the mayhem of even a military grade rifle.

Yet, I'm not aware of any incidents of this happening. Why? The clear answer is that something has gone seriously off the rails in our culture, and recently. This mass attack phenomenon is new. But addressing the true problem is difficult and requires thought and sober discussion, so the "wave a magic government wand at it" crowd isn't interested.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at September 10, 2019 11:41 AM (J+mig)

182 how this thread

DawsonSField's avatar
DawsonSField @DawsonSField
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Huh, we have a letter from the British embassy that undoes the Steele Dossier? I guess it was the ambassador that recently was forced to resign his post.
*******
Flynn Lawyer

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at September 10, 2019 11:41 AM (BqBId)

183 165 111 Oh, I wouldn't mind a tragic poontang incident...
Posted by: joncelli, who's totally not in the pay of Big Alien at September 10, 2019 11:27 AM (RD7QR)

Like falling in and drowning?
Posted by: Insomniac

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Quick! Turn on the flashlight, look for the car keys, and we can drive outta here!

Posted by: Just the punchline at September 10, 2019 11:41 AM (Y4EXg)

184 Reopen some insane asylums - make about 20K placements. You'd be doing something useful."

And by the accounts I've read, you'd have stopped any number of "mass" shootings (and other acts of mayhem)

Funny 'bout that, huh?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 10, 2019 11:41 AM (6qErC)

185 >>I've worked and lived everywhere in this country. And if there is one thing I realized it's that for the most part everyone and everything is the same everywhere.

This is how I know that you don't know what you are talking about.

Things don't taste the same everywhere because the naturally occuring yeast is different all over the country.

It's the specific reason why the West has such shitty tasting breads.

Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2019 11:41 AM (0Uei+)

186 That's an argument for better people conducting the background checks, not an argument against BG checks. I have no problem with a nutbar or felon being unable to legally buy a gun. That the system failed is a commentary about the efficiency of government.

Posted by: pep at September 10, 2019 11:32 AM (T6t7i)

Any system that relies upon perfection in the people who run it is doomed to failure.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 10, 2019 11:41 AM (jEgzt)

187 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:40 AM (iikV

Exactly.

Look at NYPD, think the cops or their union backs DeBlasio?

Posted by: HA at September 10, 2019 11:42 AM (MAstk)

188 157 They are tryng to regulate/eliminate knives in the UK.

3000 years of History and they can't trust themselves to have sharp objects.

Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2019 11:33 AM (0Uei+)

Edward II might have been saved if England had only had common sense red-hot poker regulation.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 10, 2019 11:35 AM (ZYB2s)

In the time of Richard the Lionheart, the Pope had declared that you could not use Crossbows against Fellow Christians (it was too easy to defeat armor).

Richard was besieging a Town in France, when a Baker shot him in the eye, eventually killing him.

Clearly they needed better Crossbow background checks.

Posted by: Don Quixote at September 10, 2019 11:42 AM (NgKpN)

189 155 I can't wait to see my social credit score.

Social Czar: Zero point Zero. Faithful, thrifty and law abiding is no way to go through life Mr.

Moron: Buuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrpppp!
Posted by: simplemind at September 10, 2019 11:35 AM (5HE6w)
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Oh, you know it's coming. Won't surprise me one bit if somehow social credit score is codified into law for one reason or another.
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Absolutely. Guess what - you'll get points for being in debt - preferably high interest credit card debt.

Posted by: simplemind at September 10, 2019 11:42 AM (MqvZw)

190 That wasn't an answer.

And he had access to the safe.

Yes it was. Just because you don't like it, doesn't make your statement true.
As to his access to the safe, his mother unquestionably knew he was unstable. Giving him the combination was really stupid. She paid for her mistake with her life. But if there is no BGC system, then this guy could purchase a gun whenever he wanted. You seem to be okay with that. I'm not.

Posted by: pep at September 10, 2019 11:42 AM (T6t7i)

191 186 That's an argument for better people conducting the background checks, not an argument against BG checks. I have no problem with a nutbar or felon being unable to legally buy a gun. That the system failed is a commentary about the efficiency of government.

Posted by: pep at September 10, 2019 11:32 AM (T6t7i)

Any system that relies upon perfection in the people who run it is doomed to failure.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 10, 2019 11:41 AM (jEgzt)

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"I'm sure I can make it happen!"
-College freshman, putting down his copy of The Communist Manifesto for the first time

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:42 AM (iikV8)

192 Only in the Northeast. Has simply to do with Italian immigration in early 20th century ....AND the water supply.
Posted by: JoeF. at September 10, 2019 11:37 AM (NFEMn)

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I have news for you...lotsa those Italians moved to other parts of the country in the past 100 years.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 10, 2019 11:42 AM (FiUMj)

193 Noted genius David Hogg has cited the massacre at Wounded Knee to support his argument for gun confiscation, in spite of the fact that Wounded Knee was perpetrated by the government against civilians who had been dispossessed of firearms.

Did I mention that he's a genius?

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at September 10, 2019 11:43 AM (hjaPQ)

194 187 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:40 AM (iikV

Exactly.

Look at NYPD, think the cops or their union backs DeBlasio?
Posted by: HA at September 10, 2019 11:42 AM (MAstk)

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And yet, de Blasio just keeps getting re-elected.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:43 AM (iikV8)

195
Let you guys in on a little secret. The powers that be arent *really* interested making an impact in gun control.

Let me give you an example or two.

The range where I shoot and have purchased several guns over the years was broken into and had a couple of dozen gun stolen. They caught the three burgulars, recovered all but two of the firearms. Those miscreants were going to sell those guns to drug gangs for $200.00 each.

They wrapped up sentencing about a month ago. Time served and 5 years probation. All had priors.

California (when Jerry Brown was governor) passed and signed into law a statute making the theft of a firearem a MISDEMEANOR. In California... the same state that wants make felon out of people who ALLOW their guns to be stolen.

Making a dent in crime is NOT what our betters have in mind when the start prattling on about gun control.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 10, 2019 11:43 AM (8XRCm)

196 Any system that relies upon perfection in the people who run it is doomed to failure.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

So, no police? No armed forces? We do the best we can with the people we have.

Posted by: pep at September 10, 2019 11:43 AM (T6t7i)

197 Chicago "pizza" is not pizza. Discuss.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 10, 2019 11:43 AM (TOOqT)

198 Two posts above that I believe are mistaken:

1) In my experience, most cops sure as hell DO NOT "vote DEM routinely," the big city POA's notwithstanding. When they DO vote DEM, it's usually for local officials, not POTUS or Congress.

2) Someone above posted that LE (cops & prosecutors) are "overwhelmingly white." This was true until appx 25-30 years ago, but it has changed at the speed of light since then, & is still changing.

Posted by: mnw at September 10, 2019 11:43 AM (Cssks)

199 Reopen some insane asylums - make about 20K placements. You'd be doing something useful."

And by the accounts I've read, you'd have stopped any number of "mass" shootings (and other acts of mayhem)

Funny 'bout that, huh?
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This is how you can tell it is about gun confiscation and not stopping mass shootings.

Posted by: simplemind at September 10, 2019 11:44 AM (OWP0X)

200 Chicago "pizza" is not pizza. Discuss."

It's not food, either.

Meh.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 10, 2019 11:44 AM (6qErC)

201 Durham can't indict the FusionGPS principals fast enough for my liking. Every single day they are out of custody gives them more time to make mischief. Witness this ridiculous CNN attempted hit on Trump. prompted really by Jim Scuitto and Ken Dilanian. You'll all recall that they are two very important FusionGPS confederates in the media.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/yxhkdeod

Posted by: Huck Follywood, a low grade social fever at September 10, 2019 11:44 AM (LISuA)

202 197 Chicago "pizza" is not pizza. Discuss.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 10, 2019 11:43 AM (TOOqT)

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As soon as we decide the hot dog's sandwich status.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:44 AM (iikV8)

203 Some of the best pizza I ever had I had in Grand Marais MN. About as far away from civilization as you can get. The joint was called Lena and Ole's. Go figure...

Posted by: Truck Monkey at September 10, 2019 11:44 AM (flINI)

204 153 If it can be reasonably established that the original judge in the Paul assault was ridiculously lenient for political reasons shouldn't that judge get fired.

Federal Judges can't "get fired". They can only be impeached. So, go ask Nancy Pelosi, I'm sure she'll get right on that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2019 11:44 AM (Kpl3J)

205 "When the sociopaths are in charge of both, they see to it they receive regular reward, and avoid all punishment.

Thus, the rather one the nose comment regarding the Tree of
liberty's fertilizer, by T. Jeffy Jeff, the fresh prince of Monticello."Posted by: simplemind

there was rumor in my hometown way back that farmers got together and castrated a prominent lawyer with a big white house on MainStreet, for his being such a prick (and crook, I imagine). Probably urban legend, but we are at the point that is the only way to effectively push back. (well, something more impactful than the knife)

Lawfare has gotten bad, even in smaller towns, where a few BigGuys can push results for the ones with money, and crush those that can't afford to bring a lawyer or five in from out of town, in hopes of reaching outside the syndicate. It is communism ... a corrupt group of insiders taking control of the system for their own little mafia, judges included.

Many lawyers just do the routine stuff and are useful, but imo there is often a "syndicate" that protects its own power, even if they have their own power struggles within that realm. We need more of the wild west white hats shooting down the black hat cops, Silverado style. Hard to do it just using expensive lawyers that don't have the clout of the whole Democrat machine ... or ties to the murderous mob itself (poor Whitey, never should have made a deal with that thug Mueller).

Posted by: illiniwek at September 10, 2019 11:44 AM (Cus5s)

206 DawsonSField's avatar
DawsonSField @DawsonSField
2m
Huh, we have a letter from the British embassy that undoes the Steele Dossier? I guess it was the ambassador that recently was forced to resign his post.
*******
Flynn Lawyer
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at September 10, 2019 11:41 AM (BqBId)

This is just Boris Johnson doing a favor for his buddy Trump
We must investigate!!

Posted by: Nadler at September 10, 2019 11:44 AM (NFEMn)

207 That the system failed is a commentary about the efficiency of government.

Government has failed. To repair the failure we just need a little more government.

Posted by: Diesel Jones at September 10, 2019 11:44 AM (0CeRG)

208 Chicago "pizza" is not pizza. Discuss.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 10, 2019 11:43 AM (TOOqT)

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Manhole cover with cheese

Posted by: Truck Monkey at September 10, 2019 11:44 AM (flINI)

209
For those curious about what's going on with this bizarre Russia "spy"story: Burr/Durham know Steele was fed obvious disinformation, they know who originated it, they know who peddled it, and it's just a matter of rounding up the whole network.

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at September 10, 2019 11:44 AM (BqBId)

210 >>I have news for you...lotsa those Italians moved to other parts of the country in the past 100 years.

Doesn't change the available ingredients for them to use.

If you are using the wrong flour, the wrong tomato, the wrong cheese and the wrong techniques...doesn't really matter what your heritage is.

Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2019 11:45 AM (0Uei+)

211 202 197 Chicago "pizza" is not pizza. Discuss.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 10, 2019 11:43 AM (TOOqT)

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As soon as we decide the hot dog's sandwich status.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:44 AM (iikV

Hot Dog: Not a sandwich

Chicago Pizza: Not pizza, but is food.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at September 10, 2019 11:45 AM (k76MH)

212 207 That the system failed is a commentary about the efficiency of government.

Government has failed. To repair the failure we just need a little more government.
Posted by: Diesel Jones at September 10, 2019 11:44 AM (0CeRG)

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"No! More government than that!"
-Every single damn Democrat running for president

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:45 AM (iikV8)

213 Reopen some insane asylums - make about 20K placements. You'd be doing something useful.

Posted by: simplemind

I've advocated this for decades. It's the single best solution to the problem, although it will be imperfect, and people will slip through the net.

Posted by: pep at September 10, 2019 11:45 AM (T6t7i)

214 You must live in a rural area I presume. Any city with a population over 50K has a unionized, very Democrat, police force.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 10, 2019 11:34 AM (FiUMj)

Most cops care about one thing. Muh pension. They'll vote for whatever local politician will lie to them the best about it.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 10, 2019 11:45 AM (kw5n8)

215 Disagree. The pleasure aspect aside, a nutbar is probably going to have at least some difficulty acquiring an illegal gun. Is it impossible? Of course not, but it's an additional hurdle.
Posted by: pep at September 10, 2019 11:34 AM (T6t7i)

Maybe the nutbar's family ought to be a little more proactive? Why should the State nanny be responsible.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 10, 2019 11:45 AM (jEgzt)

216 As soon as we decide the hot dog's sandwich status."

Who cares. Delicious, either way.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 10, 2019 11:45 AM (6qErC)

217 Read the article on Trump's falling approval rate so I went to Rasmussen, the only pollster that does a daily Presidential tracker. And guess what? Trump is at 46% approval there and beat obama by 2 points at the same time as his Presidency.

Push polling is alive and well.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 10, 2019 11:45 AM (JUOKG)

218 >> Chicago "pizza" is not pizza. Discuss.

Yeast Casserole

Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2019 11:45 AM (0Uei+)

219 197 Chicago "pizza" is not pizza. Discuss.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 10, 2019 11:43 AM (TOOqT)

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Chicago "Deep Dish" pizza is cake with pepperoni frosting.

Posted by: blake - used salesman salesman
at September 10, 2019 11:45 AM (qC1Sy)

220 This is how I know that you don't know what you are talking about.

Things don't taste the same everywhere because the naturally occuring yeast is different all over the country.

It's the specific reason why the West has such shitty tasting breads.

Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2019 11:41 AM (0Uei+)

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So where in the NE did you grow up? If there is one thing consistent across political the political spectrum it's this attitude. Which is why, we on the west coast, roll our eyes when you make statements like that.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 10, 2019 11:46 AM (FiUMj)

221 @PetrSvab

Powell: Was Pientka's original 302 from Flynn interview destroyed? It should be in FBI's computer system.

Finally!

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2019 11:46 AM (ZLI7S)

222 Chicago "pizza" is not pizza. Discuss.
Posted by: Insomniac
......

No one in Chicago eats that crap.. it's for tourists and north side soy boys..

The most popular pizza in all of Chicago and burbs is a very thin crust..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 10, 2019 11:46 AM (438dO)

223 Such a contentious morning...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:47 AM (iikV8)

224 217 Read the article on Trump's falling approval rate so I went to Rasmussen, the only pollster that does a daily Presidential tracker. And guess what? Trump is at 46% approval there and beat obama by 2 points at the same time as his Presidency.

Push polling is alive and well.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 10, 2019 11:45 AM (JUOKG)

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47 today. He has slipped a bit, as it's been in the mid 40s the last couple of weeks, while it was in the upper 40s, even breaking 50 a few days over the summer.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 10, 2019 11:47 AM (FiUMj)

225 Sorry I'm late.

Feds can "demand" whatever. Google will give it up if they have it. I think Apple will stand firm, but the big question is if either even have the data. If it's a third party app then it's the app developer in the hot seat.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at September 10, 2019 11:47 AM (Rk2Ph)

226 Powell: Was Pientka's original 302 from Flynn interview destroyed? It should be in FBI's computer system.

Finally!
Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2019 11:46 AM (ZLI7S)

What is this 'computer system' of which you speak?

Posted by: FBI at September 10, 2019 11:47 AM (k76MH)

227 >>So where in the NE did you grow up? If there is one thing consistent across political the political spectrum it's this attitude. Which is why, we on the west coast, roll our eyes when you make statements like that.

If there's one thing I learned a long time ago it's that the people of the American West don't know shit about food.

Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2019 11:47 AM (0Uei+)

228 Richard was besieging a Town in France, when a Baker shot him in the eye, eventually killing him.

Clearly they needed better Crossbow background checks.
Posted by: Don Quixote at September 10, 2019 11:42 AM (NgKpN)

A Longbow would have killed him instantly.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2019 11:47 AM (Kpl3J)

229 Most cops care about one thing. Muh pension. They'll vote for whatever local politician will lie to them the best about it.
..

They also care about not being maliciously prosecuted or smeared by city leaders.

Posted by: Baltimore PD at September 10, 2019 11:47 AM (MAstk)

230 The most popular pizza in all of Chicago and burbs is a very thin crust..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 10, 2019 11:46 AM (438dO)

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Bbbbbut bbbbut water and yeast and stuff!!

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 10, 2019 11:47 AM (FiUMj)

231 When I was a kid, we had to make our own pizza.
I remember my old daddy got excited when they opened a Shaky's about 150 miles away.

That was before pizza was added to The Food Pyramid.

Posted by: Roland THTG at September 10, 2019 11:48 AM (88+cf)

232 Only in the Northeast. Has simply to do with Italian immigration in early 20th century ....AND the water supply.
Posted by: JoeF. at September 10, 2019 11:37 AM (NFEMn)

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I have news for you...lotsa those Italians moved to other parts of the country in the past 100 years.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 10, 2019 11:42 AM (FiUMj)

That's why I added "...AND the water supply."
They didn't take that with them.....

Posted by: Nadler at September 10, 2019 11:48 AM (NFEMn)

233 Chicago pizza = Fancy garlic bread.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at September 10, 2019 11:48 AM (Rk2Ph)

234 My favorite pizza is Village Inn Pizza (not the family restaurant chain) in Billings, MT.

Love it. Every bit as awesome as when I was a kid.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, With a Broken Brain at September 10, 2019 11:48 AM (xPJvm)

235 Maybe the nutbar's family ought to be a little more proactive? Why should the State nanny be responsible."

Sometimes families can be rather protective of their nutjobs.

Distant relatives are an example of such. "Uncle" Bob (name changed and all that) is a serious nutjob, and I will not be surprised when he goes off and several people wind up dead. Nearest relatives to him will be quoted "he was such a nice guy" or "real quiet"...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 10, 2019 11:48 AM (6qErC)

236 I got my finger caught in my dog's butt and he bit me!

Posted by: Kurt at September 10, 2019 11:48 AM (8bT92)

237 "Most cops care about one thing. Muh pension. They'll vote for whatever local politician will lie to them the best about it. "

True. And generally, Democrats are those local politicians. Find me a chief of police for a city, and I'll find you a long term corrupt Democrat.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 10, 2019 11:48 AM (FiUMj)

238 Off Nadler sock

Posted by: JoeF. at September 10, 2019 11:49 AM (NFEMn)

239 Reopen some insane asylums - make about 20K placements. You'd be doing something useful.

Posted by: simplemind

I've advocated this for decades.
It's the single best solution to the problem, although it will be
imperfect, and people will slip through the net.

Posted by: pep at September 10, 2019 11:45 AM

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Way too many "innocent" people got dumped into those Hospitals and were forced to stay there for years or even decades in some cases.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 10, 2019 11:49 AM (JUOKG)

240 Only in the Northeast. Has simply to do with Italian immigration in early 20th century ....AND the water supply.
Posted by: JoeF. at September 10, 2019 11:37 AM (NFEMn)

The best independent pizza parlors are owned by Greeks. This is known.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 10, 2019 11:49 AM (jEgzt)

241 dammit...

He's back.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:49 AM (iikV8)

242 Only in the Northeast. Has simply to do with Italian immigration in early 20th century ....AND the water supply.
Posted by: JoeF. at September 10, 2019 11:37 AM (NFEMn)

Helps explain why it's impossible to find good hoagie rolls outside of a 50 mile radius around Philandering.

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at September 10, 2019 11:49 AM (N4xQB)

243 Been waiting for 2 years for Joe Pientka to finally surface.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2019 11:49 AM (ZLI7S)

244 The most popular pizza in all of Chicago and burbs is a very thin crust..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 10, 2019 11:46 AM (438dO)

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Bbbbbut bbbbut water and yeast and stuff!!
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 10, 2019 11:47 AM (FiUMj)

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People always say I should sell my bath water

Posted by: Lena Dunham at September 10, 2019 11:49 AM (flINI)

245 Maybe the nutbar's family ought to be a little more proactive? Why should the State nanny be responsible.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peo

Because:
1) It's very difficult to get someone involuntarily committed, even by a family member. The parents often ask for the person to be institutionalized or medicated, but are usually rebuffed, because Jack Nicholson.
2) Should have? Absolutely, but they often don't. I'm not willing to put my life in the hands of those folks and their willingness to make good decisions.

Posted by: pep at September 10, 2019 11:49 AM (T6t7i)

246 >208
Chicago "pizza" is not pizza. Discuss.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 10, 2019 11:43 AM (TOOqT)

Giordano's pizza needs to be spoken of in hushed, reverential tones. Kneeling before it is optional.

Posted by: Muad'dib at September 10, 2019 11:49 AM (sjdRT)

247 Social Credit Score = Mark of the Beast ??

Posted by: zeera Moron Author Working on Book TWO at September 10, 2019 11:49 AM (T9rmq)

248 nevermind...

ozone

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:49 AM (iikV8)

249 Yes it was. Just because you don't like it, doesn't make your statement true.
As to his access to the safe, his mother unquestionably knew he was unstable. Giving him the combination was really stupid. She paid for her mistake with her life. But if there is no BGC system, then this guy could purchase a gun whenever he wanted. You seem to be okay with that. I'm not.
Posted by: pep at

What was your answer to her legally owned firearm? He killed her and took it. What background check would bar that?
She shouldn't have it?

And no one is saying that there shouldn't be a background check. There already is. It's the expanded check on personal property.

Since Jerry refused to answer, I'll ask you.

Are you willing to do background checks on personal property before you sell it/loan it/let someone borrow it?

Yes or no? If no, why not?

Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2019 11:49 AM (dDUXP)

250 I went to some Chicago place famous for their pizza. Had signatures on the wall. Anyway, was told we had to wait 45 minutes minimum after we order.

Fuck that.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at September 10, 2019 11:49 AM (Rk2Ph)

251 If there's one thing I learned a long time ago it's that the people of the American West don't know shit about food.

Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2019 11:47 AM (0Uei+)
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Wow, that's a mighty wide brush you're swinging, pardner!

Now, excuse me while I get my triple soy latte frappaccino and sit down and contemplate this outrageous statement.

Posted by: blake - used salesman salesman
at September 10, 2019 11:49 AM (qC1Sy)

252 The best pizza I've ever had outside NY was in Sydney, Australia.

It was called New York Pizza Slice and they charged 4x the prize of a normal Australian slice.

But you know what? It tasted exactly like NY pizza.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at September 10, 2019 11:50 AM (k76MH)

253 Giordano's pizza needs to be spoken of in hushed, reverential tones. Kneeling before it is optional.

Posted by: Muad'dib

Aaaaaaaaaaaameeeeeeennnnnnn.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2019 11:50 AM (dDUXP)

254 Chicago "pizza" is not pizza. Discuss.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 10, 2019 11:43 AM (TOOqT)

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Chicago "Deep Dish" pizza is cake with pepperoni frosting.
Posted by: blake - used salesman salesman
at September 10, 2019 11:45 AM (qC1Sy)

And that's the thing, most "local" pizza joints have some sort of flare that is the local community's thing.

I don't want your damn thing.

I want pizza.

So if I'm out of town, I'd rather have Dominoes. Less risk involved.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2019 11:50 AM (cY3LT)

255
Brian Cates @drawandstrike
now
I can sense Van Grack sweating from here.

Powell: Was Pientka's original 302 from Flynn interview destroyed? It should be in FBI's computer system.

Sullivan asks if the government stands by its earlier sentencing representations. Van Grack says they'll refile something when it's appropriate - which is very different from saying they stand by what they said before

Van Grack also says that re: args about being a Russian agent or Logan Act violations, that is not what Flynn was charged with or what the case is about - it was about Flynn lying to the FBI about certain communications with Russia

Van Grack says that means Flynn was aware of the Strzok texts *before* the public was. He then says that before Flynn's second time entering his guilty plea, the govt made him aware of the remaining text messages and turned over certain texts that weren't available to the public

Powell: Was Pientka's original 302 from Flynn interview destroyed? It should be in FBI's computer system.

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at September 10, 2019 11:50 AM (BqBId)

256 243 Been waiting for 2 years for Joe Pientka to finally surface.
..

He's the cheese on our nothingburger.

Posted by: WOW at September 10, 2019 11:51 AM (MAstk)

257 Good morning good people!
Posted by: zeera Moron Author"

How do you know what kind of G*d damned day it is?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 10, 2019 11:17 AM (6qErC)

mighty bold assumption...

Posted by: SturmToddler at September 10, 2019 11:51 AM (8D42x)

258 Off Nadler sock

Make sure you spray your feet for fungus.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 10, 2019 11:51 AM (ykYG2)

259 Way too many "innocent" people got dumped into those Hospitals and were forced to stay there for years or even decades in some cases."

And that's the other side. I don't pretend to know the answer.

But I do know when someone presents a danger.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 10, 2019 11:51 AM (6qErC)

260 The Chicago pizza I had did have a redeeming feature. The sausage wasn't crumbled - it was a solid slab that was it's own layer.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at September 10, 2019 11:51 AM (Rk2Ph)

261 8bT92

You were banned. Take the hint and get back to your manga.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 10, 2019 11:52 AM (ykYG2)

262 The best pizza I've ever had outside NY was in Sydney, Australia.

It was called New York Pizza Slice and they charged 4x the prize of a normal Australian slice.

But you know what? It tasted exactly like NY pizza.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at September 10, 2019 11:50 AM (k76MH)

I still don't get what the fuss is about New York pizza. Granted, I've never been to New York City, so I am also aware that means I've never had a "good" bagel either.

Whatever.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2019 11:52 AM (cY3LT)

263 Social Credit Score = Mark of the Beast ??
Posted by: zeera Moron Author Working on Book TWO at September 10, 2019 11:49 AM (T9rmq)

Is a social credit score of 666 considered perfect?

Posted by: DR.WTF at September 10, 2019 11:52 AM (aS1PU)

264 I went to Pizza Hut in Shanghai. It was worse than normal.

Posted by: Roland THTG at September 10, 2019 11:52 AM (88+cf)

265
If you are using the wrong flour, the wrong tomato, the wrong cheese and the wrong techniques...doesn't really matter what your heritage is.
Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2019 11:45 AM (0Uei+)

That's why it doesn't make a difference if nowadays the pizza in NJ is being made by Albanians or Mexicans--as long as they adhere to the recipe and don't fuck with the ingredients....

Posted by: JoeF. at September 10, 2019 11:52 AM (NFEMn)

266 >>Wow, that's a mighty wide brush you're swinging, pardner!

I've lived out here for 30 years or so, now.

No appreciation for good food. At all.
It's all about convenience and nothing else.

The majority of people won't cross the street or spend an additional dime for anything food related.

Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2019 11:52 AM (0Uei+)

267 So flat bread with stuff on top is a thing, huh?

Hmmm.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 10, 2019 11:52 AM (6qErC)

268
Way too many "innocent" people got dumped into those Hospitals and were forced to stay there for years or even decades in some cases.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 10, 2019 11:49 AM (JUOKG)

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..... but...... if it saves just.one.life........ it is worth it.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 10, 2019 11:52 AM (8XRCm)

269 butthurt Kurt is around. Swell.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at September 10, 2019 11:52 AM (Rk2Ph)

270 Noted genius David Hogg has cited the massacre at Wounded Knee to support his argument for gun confiscation, in spite of the fact that Wounded Knee was perpetrated by the government against civilians who had been dispossessed of firearms.

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Harvard Material.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 10, 2019 11:52 AM (+y/Ru)

271 Good news that the Boucher douchebag that attacked Rand Paul will be re-sentenced.

Yay!

One less psycho for Kentuckians to worry about.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 10, 2019 11:52 AM (ykYG2)

272 262
I still don't get what the fuss is about New York pizza. Granted, I've never been to New York City, so I am also aware that means I've never had a "good" bagel either.

Whatever.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2019 11:52 AM (cY3LT)

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I had it once in NYC.

It was pizza.

I mean...it didn't change my life or anything, but I was able to digest it and it was pleasant going down.

Kinda like most pizza I've had.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:52 AM (iikV8)

273 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at September 10, 2019 11:53 AM (Zz0t1)

274 These best pizza discussions are about 30-40 years out of date. Any restaurant in the country can get same day delivery of any ingredient from anywhere else. There's no more "you can only get this food in X area because it only grows in X area".

See also fresh Maine lobster in San Francisco.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 10, 2019 11:53 AM (FiUMj)

275 Hush, Kurt. The adults are having a conversation.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 10, 2019 11:53 AM (ejd/p)

276 I still don't get what the fuss is about New York pizza. Granted, I've never been to New York City, so I am also aware that means I've never had a "good" bagel either.

Whatever.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2019 11:52 AM (cY3LT)

I'm obviously biased having grown up here (for the record, Long Island has better pizza and bagels than the 5 boroughs,) but it's a lot harder to find a good bagel outside of NY then pizza.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at September 10, 2019 11:53 AM (k76MH)

277 You were banned. Take the hint and get back to your manga.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 10, 2019 11:52 AM (ykYG2)

Let's not be too hasty about the manga.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 10, 2019 11:53 AM (TOOqT)

278 I had it once in NYC.

It was pizza.

I mean...it didn't change my life or anything, but I was able to digest it and it was pleasant going down.

Kinda like most pizza I've had.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:52 AM (iikV

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But yeast!! And water!! And Italian immigrants!!

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 10, 2019 11:53 AM (FiUMj)

279 Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2019 11:47 AM (0Uei+)
228 Richard was besieging a Town in France, when a Baker shot him in the eye, eventually killing him.

Clearly they needed better Crossbow background checks.
Posted by: Don Quixote at September 10, 2019 11:42 AM (NgKpN)

A Longbow would have killed him instantly.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2019 11:47 AM (Kpl3J)

Nope, story is it hit through the helm didn't completely penetrate.

He lived a number of hours, long enough to call a truce, and forgive the Man who had shot him.

The guy was easily distinguishable, because he had been using a Large Pan, as a shield.

Posted by: Don Quixote at September 10, 2019 11:53 AM (NgKpN)

280 Most seem to have forgotten that the 2nd Amendment is there for one reason and one reason only. To protect the POPULATION from the GOVERNMENT. Period.

Everything else is a welcome and sometimes unwelcome side effect.

Posted by: Sponge at September 10, 2019 11:54 AM (Zz0t1)

281 See also fresh Maine lobster in San Francisco.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 10, 2019 11:53 AM (FiUMj)

Are you sure the lobster doesn't just identify as Maine?

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at September 10, 2019 11:54 AM (k76MH)

282 my favorite Barack Obama quoting Joe Biden tweet, so far today.

https://tinyurl.com/yyb9b6jc

Posted by: Huck Follywood, a low grade social fever at September 10, 2019 11:54 AM (LISuA)

283 Btw, the 6th Circuit judge who wrote the opinion reversing & remanding this case for resentencing is a big honking liberal.

Possible he recognises that violent antifa goons hate the moderate Left even more than they hate the "alt Right".

Kind of like how we are about RINOs.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 10, 2019 11:54 AM (ykYG2)

284 ok. fair enough. but what i don't understand is the difference between universal background checks and the background checks every gun purchaser has to go through right now.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 10, 2019 11:54 AM (Pg+x7)

285 West is a direction, not a place.

New Mexico has the best food on the planet.

Posted by: Roland THTG at September 10, 2019 11:55 AM (88+cf)

286 Way too many "innocent" people got dumped into those Hospitals and were forced to stay there for years or even decades in some cases.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 10, 2019 11:49 AM (JUOKG)

We can learn from the failures of the past. A new system should have some safeguards against that. I think the best things would be independent audits and the right to challenge your diagnosis by being reexamined by a neutral third party from a different jurisdiction.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at September 10, 2019 11:55 AM (J+mig)

287 The best independent pizza parlors are owned by Greeks. This is known.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 10, 2019 11:49 AM (jEgzt)

Some Greeks make good pizza, but in NJ, they run the diners and hot dog joints.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 10, 2019 11:55 AM (NFEMn)

288 The most popular pizza in all of Chicago and burbs is a very thin crust..
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Don't agree. I really prefer the thick crust and some of the local variants are outstanding -- creatively using the foccacia bread recipe to layer toppings in really creative ways. H/t to AOP, the Italian/Greek fusion cuisine is really, really good.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 10, 2019 11:55 AM (MIKMs)

289 Granted, I've never been to New York City, so I am also aware that means I've never had a "good" bagel either."

Or a knish...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 10, 2019 11:55 AM (6qErC)

290 I think pizza isn't one of those things that always translates well to a restaurant.

I make my own. Pizza dough, grill it on one side, then flip, brush with olive oil and add slabs of mozz, basil, dates (yeah, dates), and rosemary sprigs.

Works for me. I'm always disappointed at restaurant pizza.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at September 10, 2019 11:55 AM (Rk2Ph)

291 47 The Founders built a Government where they treated the citizen as an adult.

Exactly, and Trump's theme song should be
"R. E. S. P. E. C. T." for that very reason!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at September 10, 2019 11:55 AM (FA43N)

292 Ever notice no one ever asks for anyone to hand over all the data and addresses of NAMBLA members?

Just sayin'.

Seems like a weird oversight while they hunt out gun owners 'n' stuff.

Posted by: RKae at September 10, 2019 11:55 AM (LTccB)

293 Bill's pub in a town called Mundeleine, about 1/2 hour or so north of Chicago. Best frigging pizza I ever had in that state. It has some kind of double crust. The bacon pizza is to die for. Cut like normal pizza too, not in squares.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 10, 2019 11:55 AM (9Om/r)

294
The majority of people won't cross the street or spend an additional dime for anything food related.
Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2019 11:52 AM (0Uei+)
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You have now detailed why my wife and I prefer to cook at home.

We make better stuff at home than we can get when we go out. We only go out when we want to take a break from cooking.

Although, there is a local place that makes outstanding creme brule and bread pudding.

Oh, and we live in CA.

Posted by: blake - used salesman salesman
at September 10, 2019 11:55 AM (qC1Sy)

295 >>These best pizza discussions are about 30-40 years out of date. Any restaurant in the country can get same day delivery of any ingredient from anywhere else.

No. You can't. At least not affordably. You can't afford to Fed Ex Flour and Cheese to your business.

You can't get the right flour out West.

You certainly can't get well made cheeses out West.

Sorry. The reason most food sucks is that most of it comes from a shitty supplier like Sysco. And they only offer a couple grades of shitty ingredients.

Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2019 11:56 AM (0Uei+)

296 Pizza snob is to New York as Mexican food snob is to California.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 10, 2019 11:56 AM (FiUMj)

297 204 Servo

The judge who sentenced Paul's attacker is ALREADY RETIRED-- she's a "senior status" judge who works part time & serves at the will & discretion of the other district court judges who have not retired.

Retired federal judges are paid the same whether they take senior status or retire completely. Most senior judges accept senior status for the benefit of their courtroom staff.

Posted by: mnw at September 10, 2019 11:56 AM (Cssks)

298 I lived in CT for 20 yrs, L.A. for 12 and the PNW for 16.

Hands down the tri-state area has the best pizza.

Posted by: HA at September 10, 2019 11:56 AM (MAstk)

299 >New Mexico has the best food on the planet.

Posted by: Roland THTG at September 10, 2019 11:55 AM (88+cf)

I lived there for several years. Fantastic food.

Posted by: Muad'dib at September 10, 2019 11:57 AM (sjdRT)

300

If any of you who don't think the Feds ALREADY have a pretty comprehensive list of who currently own guns you are living with a gross misapprehension.

That compiling a list of gun owners through 4473 hasn't already been thought of and implemented is an erroneous conclusion.

This latest is just tidying up loose ends.

Posted by: irongrampa at September 10, 2019 11:57 AM (KATBx)

301 What was your answer to her legally owned firearm? He killed her and took it. What background check would bar that?

My answer was that no system would work perfectly, but if that's your metric, we're all doomed anyway. Please tell me which societal functions work perfectly. Are you in favor of getting rid of the police and military?

I later pointed out how stupid she was to give him access. A gun safe with a combination known only to you is appropriate, especially when you know you've got a nutbar in your house.

Are you willing to do background checks on personal property before you sell it/loan it/let someone borrow it?
Sure. I won't loan my car to anyone without a driver's license that verifies they know how to drive a car. I don't think I need one for my house or my furniture, but if someone uses those things to kill large numbers of people, then I'll agree.

Anything can be used to kill someone, but guns are a special category, IMHO. Knives are not the same as guns. Bottom line is that you don't acknowledge any difference at all between guns and other things. I think that position is unrealistic.

Posted by: pep at September 10, 2019 11:57 AM (T6t7i)

302 I make my own. Pizza dough, grill it on one side, then flip, brush with olive oil and add slabs of mozz, basil, dates (yeah, dates), and rosemary sprigs.

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I never like to spend more time making food than it takes to eat it.

That's why I like tuna steaks:

Step 1: Sear for 90 seconds.

Step 2: There is no step 2.

Posted by: RKae at September 10, 2019 11:57 AM (LTccB)

303 NYcheesecake is the worst cheesecake but people still go ON about how it's NY cheesecake. I married a New Yorker, the in-laws do really think that they're somehow better or more hip or something.

Decades ago we went to some event and they had their film developed right away. Said, "Only in New York, huh?" I told them that every parking lot in the country has a kiosk.

They still marvel at garbage disposals and central air.

Posted by: dagny at September 10, 2019 11:57 AM (nRWPy)

304 fair enough. but what i don't understand is the difference between universal background checks and the background checks every gun purchaser has to go through right now.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 10, 2019 11:54 AM (Pg+x7)

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There isnt.

What they want is private sales and inheritances to be subject to background checks.

I know. But....we have to do SOMETHING about all those mass shootings that happen when people get daddys double barrel 12 guage when Pops finally passes.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 10, 2019 11:58 AM (8XRCm)

305 For this sentencing judge to decide that a 30-day sentence was appropriate punishment for an unprovoked, sneak attack that caused intensely painful, life-threatening injuries was just insane.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 10, 2019 11:38 AM (k4dH2)

A good thing to consider about this story - I have *never* before heard of a Federal Appeals Court overturning a criminal sentence because it was too lenient. Seriously, I cannot think of a single case where this has ever happened, on this level. So, in terms of his profession, that judge just got publicly bitch-slapped by his own peers, and in an extremely public way. He's never moving on to any other job, although it's a shame that the job is set up in such a way that there's no way to force him out of the one he's got.

And it really may be class bigotry as much as politics that led to this. It's always easy for Judge to say "oh look nice white upper class guy with bank accounts and a clean record, people like him don't go to jail!" Which is a crappy, shitty, and face it, racist way for a judge to think.

(the left throws the term Racist around all the time, so I'm gonna make the charge that this Judge wouldn't sent a White Man to jail because he's a White Supremacist. Let's see how the left handles that one)

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2019 11:58 AM (Kpl3J)

306 how did this thread migrate from gun registration to pizza registration?

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 10, 2019 11:58 AM (Pg+x7)

307 >>New Mexico has the best food on the planet.

If you like Chilis in your ... everything. Sure.

Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2019 11:58 AM (0Uei+)

308 Yes it was. Just because you don't like it, doesn't make your statement true.
As to his access to the safe, his mother unquestionably knew he was unstable. Giving him the combination was really stupid. She paid for her mistake with her life. But if there is no BGC system, then this guy could purchase a gun whenever he wanted. You seem to be okay with that. I'm not.
Posted by: pep at September 10, 2019 11:42 AM (T6t7i)

The only thing that would have prevented the Sandy Hook tragedy, given that we apparently cannot lock up the batshit insane, would have been for Momma to have done a past-partum abortion of her bad seed kid.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 10, 2019 11:58 AM (jEgzt)

309 Beto O'Rourke@BetoORourke
Living close to work shouldn't be a luxury for the rich. It's a right for everyone.

-
Must be in the 10th amendment.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 10, 2019 11:58 AM (+y/Ru)

310 223 Such a contentious morning...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:47 AM (iikV

Silly season's over. Let the bodies hit the floor.

Posted by: joncelli, who's totally not in the pay of Big Alien at September 10, 2019 11:58 AM (RD7QR)

311 See also fresh Maine lobster in San Francisco.[/l]

This cannot be seen because it does not exist. It may be live Maine lobster available in San Fran, but it's not fresh.

The flesh tastes different the longer it's kept in a pound. Right from the sea is one thing, a pound in a seaside town will have yesterday's catch. Even when it gets to a good seafood store it will be a few days old and not as good.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 10, 2019 11:58 AM (wzVKm)

312 ok. fair enough. but what i don't understand is the
difference between universal background checks and the background checks
every gun purchaser has to go through right now.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 10, 2019 11:54 AM

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It's not about the background checks, that is a red herring. It's about getting a National gun registry in place. To do "universal" background checks you have to know where every single gun is before you can start the checks.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 10, 2019 11:59 AM (JUOKG)

313 304
I know. But....we have to do SOMETHING about all those mass shootings that happen when people get daddys double barrel 12 guage when Pops finally passes.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 10, 2019 11:58 AM (8XRCm)

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It's going to have a great effect on the guy who showed no signs of being nuts, passed a background check because he'd never had any run ins with the law, and then shot up a place that doesn't allow guns.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:59 AM (iikV8)

314 They still marvel at garbage disposals
Posted by: dagny at September 10, 2019 11:57 AM (nRWPy)

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This is about me right?

Posted by: AOC at September 10, 2019 11:59 AM (FiUMj)

315 284 ok. fair enough. but what i don't understand is the difference between universal background checks and the background checks every gun purchaser has to go through right now.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 10, 2019 11:54 AM (Pg+x7)

Right now if you inherit a gun? No background check.

If you are Gifted a gun? no back ground check.

If its a private sale? Like I sell a gun to a friend or a family member? No background check.

They want EVERY transfer of a firearm to be approved by the Federal Government.

If you need Prior Government permission to do something, is it still a RIGHT?

Posted by: Don Quixote at September 10, 2019 11:59 AM (NgKpN)

316 So.. let's just do away with background checks altogether, right?

Why bother doing any checks if some sales are immune to checks?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 10, 2019 11:12 AM (438dO)

I say do away with the background checks: they are 99.999999999% of the time a waste of time. Criminals don't purchase their firearms legally and the violently insane are protected by HIPAA (so they're in the "Good To Go" category when the NICS check is performed).

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 10, 2019 11:59 AM (YQ4mh)

317 New Mexico has better Mexican food than Cali, though.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at September 10, 2019 11:59 AM (oZ6kz)

318 >>I never like to spend more time making food than it takes to eat it.

>>That's why I like tuna steaks:

Clearly this does not include catching said tuna.

My fishing buddy and I once calculated the time/money it cost us to prepare our own caught tuna. Expensive and time consuming but very tasty.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2019 12:00 PM (ZLI7S)

319 Guns are legal.

Govt doesn't get to dictate how I transfer my personal property.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at September 10, 2019 12:00 PM (Rk2Ph)

320 While I'm at it. Thee worst pizza I ever has was in Florence Italy. I had to go to frigging Italy to get the worst pizza I ever had. Everywhere else it was good. Rome, Sorrento, Venice, even Capri, had really good pizza. Florence pizza was absolute shit. The pizza I had in bumfuck maine where the woman broke out a rolling pin to make it was miles ahead of the crap in Florence.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 10, 2019 12:00 PM (9Om/r)

321 This cannot be seen because it does not exist. It may be live Maine lobster available in San Fran, but it's not fresh.

The flesh tastes different the longer it's kept in a pound. Right from the sea is one thing, a pound in a seaside town will have yesterday's catch. Even when it gets to a good seafood store it will be a few days old and not as good.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 10, 2019 11:58 AM (wzVKm)

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It's a few hours fresh. Packed in ice at 7am in Maine, arrives at SFO 5 or 6 hours later. Behold the magic of.....FEDEX!!

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 10, 2019 12:00 PM (FiUMj)

322 And Italian immigrants!!

There was a story at least 20 years ago that there were about seven Italian immigrants left in Little Italy.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 10, 2019 12:00 PM (wzVKm)

323
The best pizza I've ever had outside NY was in Sydney, Australia.

That's where I first heard of ham and pineapple pizza.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 10, 2019 12:00 PM (aKsyK)

324 319 Guns are legal.

Govt doesn't get to dictate how I transfer my personal property.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at September 10, 2019 12:00 PM (Rk2Ph)

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*WitchDoktor's car honks at him*

I used to live in VA. I know what getting a car up to code entails in the commonwealth.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 12:01 PM (iikV8)

325 The only thing that would have prevented the
Sandy Hook tragedy, given that we apparently cannot lock up the batshit
insane, would have been for Momma to have done a past-partum abortion of
her bad seed kid.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Gun safe + secret combination.

Posted by: pep at September 10, 2019 12:01 PM (T6t7i)

326 I lived in CT for 20 yrs, L.A. for 12 and the PNW for 16.

Hands down the tri-state area has the best pizza.

Posted by: HA at September 10, 2019 11:56 AM

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There is a pizza place in New Haven CT called Frank Pepe. People would stand in line for an hour waiting to get in there, they claimed it was so good.

Tried it when the opened a place at the Mohegan Sun casino and it was the absolute worst pizza I have ever had.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 10, 2019 12:01 PM (JUOKG)

327 ok. fair enough. but what i don't understand is the difference between universal background checks and the background checks every gun purchaser has to go through right now.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp

Want to buy my pistol? Off to a dealer for a background check.

Want to borrow a shotgun to go bird hunting this weekend? Off to a dealer for a background check.

Want to try it out at the range? Off to a dealer for a background check.

And before anyone calls bs, YES, that's what they are calling for.

Since no one else wants to answer it, I'll ask you,

Are you willing to do background checks on other personal property before you sell it/loan it/let someone borrow it?

If not, why not?

Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2019 12:01 PM (dDUXP)

328 He's never moving on to any other job, although it's a shame that the job is set up in such a way that there's no way to force him out of the one he's got."

She. And she's not going anywhere. Good Dim and all that...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 10, 2019 12:01 PM (6qErC)

329 Trump just fired John Bolton.

"The Stache has been trimmed."

"The Stache has been trimmed!"

Posted by: Sharkman at September 10, 2019 12:01 PM (Mo1SD)

330 They still marvel at garbage disposals

Hey, we got all kinds of sanitations up in here!

... in the Bronze Age ruins of Mohenjo-Daro.

Posted by: northern India / Pak at September 10, 2019 12:01 PM (ykYG2)

331 England has the best food.

Fight me!

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at September 10, 2019 12:01 PM (MAstk)

332 Wow. Trump just fired John Bolton.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2019 12:01 PM (ZLI7S)

333
(huff)

I've read the links this morning and I'm steaming mad before I've even brushed my teeth. Everything is in ruins, the future is bleak, the inmates are running the asylum while the doctors nod meekly, today's NC election is already crooked, Jon Ossoff has reason to think he'll win (Soros?), and Hillary Clinton breezes about the world in the full confidence that she'll never be called to account.

Fvcking fvk fck. When do I get relief? #TwoWeeks?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 10, 2019 12:01 PM (13CQC)

334 The only thing that would have prevented the
Sandy Hook tragedy...

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 10, 2019 11:58 AM (jEgzt)

Would have been that brave principal who charged the murdering scumbag with just her body. A Remington 1100 loaded with #4 buck would have been a fine addition to her heroism.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 10, 2019 12:01 PM (wYseH)

335 Back in my youth on NE Ohio, near Youngstown (say Yunkstown) I liked white pizza, cheese with an assortment of toppings, a dribble of olive oil, no tomato sauce. White pizza, racist!

Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 10, 2019 12:01 PM (C1Lsn)

336 So, no police? No armed forces? We do the best we can with the people we have.
Posted by: pep at September 10, 2019 11:43 AM (T6t7i)

We don't expect perfection from the police or armed forces forces, but you seem to have the unreasonable expectation that universal background checks would prevent mass shootings.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 10, 2019 12:02 PM (jEgzt)

337 306 how did this thread migrate from gun registration to pizza registration?
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 10, 2019 11:58 AM (Pg+x7)

It's time for a national conversation about common sense Chicago deep dish control.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 10, 2019 12:02 PM (TOOqT)

338 The 'Stache is gone from Trump's Administration.

Is this a good or a bad thing? Genuinely curious.

https://tinyurl.com/y2otuskw

Posted by: The Institute at September 10, 2019 12:02 PM (JYg6p)

339 Are you willing to do background checks on other personal property before you sell it/loan it/let someone borrow it?

If not, why not?

Posted by: rickb223

You ask a lot of questions. How about an answer to mine.

Posted by: pep at September 10, 2019 12:02 PM (T6t7i)

340 dammit...

He's back.

It's a lot easier to ignore the trolls if you guys don't keep going out of your way to flag their presence.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at September 10, 2019 12:02 PM (7s3Gx)

341 329 Trump just fired John Bolton.

"The Stache has been trimmed."

"The Stache has been trimmed!"
Posted by: Sharkman at September 10, 2019 12:01 PM (Mo1SD)

Whoa. I want to see a reason for that because he looked like a good one to me.

Posted by: joncelli, who's totally not in the pay of Big Alien at September 10, 2019 12:02 PM (RD7QR)

342 >>It's a few hours fresh. Packed in ice at 7am in Maine, arrives at SFO 5 or 6 hours later. Behold the magic of.....FEDEX!!

Man, you are a fucking idiot.

Caught three days ago. Went unsold...

Packed in Ice at 7 am...

Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2019 12:02 PM (0Uei+)

343 Anything can be used to kill someone, but guns are a
special category, IMHO. Knives are not the same as guns. Bottom line is
that you don't acknowledge any difference at all between guns and other
things. I think that position is unrealistic.

Posted by: pep at September 10, 2019 11:57 AM (T6t7i)

Only one deadly weapon on this planet and that is the human being. I don't think any other position is realistic at all. I want you dead, I will accomplish the task. Gun or no.

Posted by: Atilla at September 10, 2019 12:02 PM (vqIkG)

344 Tried it when the opened a place at the Mohegan Sun casino and it was the absolute worst pizza I have ever had.
..

I believe it.

Not every place will be good or great.

Posted by: HA at September 10, 2019 12:02 PM (MAstk)

345 297 204 Servo

The judge who sentenced Paul's attacker is ALREADY RETIRED-- she's a "senior status" judge who works part time & serves at the will & discretion of the other district court judges who have not retired.

Retired federal judges are paid the same whether they take senior status or retire completely. Most senior judges accept senior status for the benefit of their courtroom staff.
Posted by: mnw at September 10, 2019 11:56 AM (Cssks)

That's actually good news - because I've known of several retired federal judges who get kicked off the Senior Status when their decisions start to get embarrassing. They don't formally get taken off, but what happens is that they might call and ask if they're going to get assigned a case, and the answer is "um, we don't know, not today, try calling back in 6 months. Or maybe a year, we'll see if anything comes up."

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2019 12:02 PM (Kpl3J)

346 TJM, what's funny is 99 44/100% of car regs revolve around the assumption that the owner will drive on the roads.

I could buy a truck and keep it on the farm - no license plate required, no license needed to drive it, etc., as long as it stays on the farm.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at September 10, 2019 12:02 PM (Rk2Ph)

347 Philly FOP is totally against Commie mayor and Soros DA - both demorats.

Posted by: kallisto at September 10, 2019 12:03 PM (wy4/l)

348 Whoa. I want to see a reason for that because he looked like a good one to me.
..

My guess is Taliban or Norks.

Both?

Posted by: HA at September 10, 2019 12:03 PM (MAstk)

349 319 Guns are legal.

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"We're working on that." - Democrats.

Posted by: RKae at September 10, 2019 12:03 PM (LTccB)

350

Bolton is out?

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 10, 2019 12:03 PM (kGJFi)

351
Wow. Trump just fired John Bolton.
Posted by: JackStraw

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Yikes. Any word on the likely replacement? Hahaha, Flynn. Or Mike Rogers.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 10, 2019 12:03 PM (13CQC)

352 I say do away with the background checks: they are
99.999999999% of the time a waste of time. Criminals don't purchase
their firearms legally and the violently insane are protected by HIPAA
(so they're in the "Good To Go" category when the NICS check is
performed).

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 10, 2019 11:59 AM

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I don't know about that. I talked with the guy at the Pawn shop that sells a butt ton of guns and he says he gets 10-12 prohibited people in his store every week trying to buy guns. I think background checks are a good thing myself.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 10, 2019 12:03 PM (JUOKG)

353 334 #4 buck is highly under rated.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 10, 2019 12:03 PM (C1Lsn)

354 We don't expect perfection from the police or armed
forces forces, but you seem to have the unreasonable expectation that
universal background checks would prevent mass shootings.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Nope. I've made it very clear that I have no such expectation. From @151:
The pleasure aspect aside, a nutbar is probably going to have at least
some difficulty acquiring an illegal gun. Is it impossible? Of course
not, but it's an additional hurdle.

Posted by: pep at September 10, 2019 12:03 PM (T6t7i)

355 >>Man, you are a fucking idiot.

>>Caught three days ago. Went unsold...

>>Packed in Ice at 7 am...

Well, not always.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2019 12:03 PM (ZLI7S)

356

Posted by: pep at September 10, 2019 12:03 PM (T6t7i)

357

Good riddance john bolton, you stupid warmonger.

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 10, 2019 12:03 PM (kGJFi)

358 Regis is out?

Damn.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at September 10, 2019 12:03 PM (Rk2Ph)

359 Is this a good or a bad thing? Genuinely curious.
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Bolton is a hawk Trump isn't.

Posted by: HA at September 10, 2019 12:03 PM (MAstk)

360 Bolton Resigned?

wonder why.......

Posted by: Sponge at September 10, 2019 12:03 PM (Zz0t1)

361 346 TJM, what's funny is 99 44/100% of car regs revolve around the assumption that the owner will drive on the roads.

I could buy a truck and keep it on the farm - no license plate required, no license needed to drive it, etc., as long as it stays on the farm.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at September 10, 2019 12:02 PM (Rk2Ph)

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My grandfather gave me a car. He lived in TN. I lived in VA.

I spent over $3,000 trying to get that thing up to code.

It was miserable and I should have just given up.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 12:04 PM (iikV8)

362 Yikes. Any word on the likely replacement? Hahaha, Flynn. Or Mike Rogers.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at September 10, 2019 12:03 PM (13CQC)

Palin.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at September 10, 2019 12:04 PM (k76MH)

363 PDY fired Bolton

Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 10, 2019 12:04 PM (p0A33)

364 "Back in my youth on NE Ohio, near Youngstown (say Yunkstown) I liked white pizza, cheese with an assortment of toppings, a dribble of olive oil, no tomato sauce. White pizza, racist!
Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 10, 2019 12:01 PM (C1Lsn)"

You're from Youngstown? I'm so sorry.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at September 10, 2019 12:04 PM (oZ6kz)

365 304. thank you. a fine distinction. it is a step toward federal gun registration which is a beast of another order. but it's only 1 step from the data bases that exist now.,

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at September 10, 2019 12:04 PM (Pg+x7)

366 There are 13000+ FBI agents, & 5000 federal prosecutors (AUSA's).

Based on my own experiences, I would estimate that PERHAPS 25-30% of them voted for HRC.

Posted by: mnw at September 10, 2019 12:04 PM (Cssks)

367 John has a fired mustache...

I repeat,

John, has a fired mustache

Posted by: Truck Monkey at September 10, 2019 12:05 PM (flINI)

368 Wow. Trump just fired John Bolton.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2019 12:01 PM

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Did not see that coming.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 10, 2019 12:05 PM (JUOKG)

369 I informed John Bolton last night that his services are no longer needed at the White House. I disagreed strongly with many of his suggestions, as did others in the Administration, and therefore....

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 10, 2019 12:05 PM (p0A33)

370 Bolton was always a round peg in a square hole in this administration.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at September 10, 2019 12:05 PM (O8WFE)

371 you are either a 2nd Amendment supporter or you are a communist

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 10, 2019 12:05 PM (0O7c5)

372 The 'Stache is gone from Trump's Administration."

What will be funny is that one the most hated political figures will suddenly be one of the most loved and appreciated.

By the media, that is.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at September 10, 2019 12:05 PM (6qErC)

373 The 'Stache is gone from Trump's Administration.

Is this a good or a bad thing? Genuinely curious.

I think he was probably canned because he was fighting with Pompeo. I think highly enough of Pompeo that I'm willing to say it's okay.

Posted by: pep at September 10, 2019 12:05 PM (T6t7i)

374 >>Well, not always.

True. But I defy you to tell one from the other.

...all the way from California.

Posted by: garrett at September 10, 2019 12:05 PM (0Uei+)

375 I still don't get what the fuss is about New York pizza. Granted, I've never been to New York City, so I am also aware that means I've never had a "good" bagel either.

Whatever.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2019 11:52 AM (cY3LT)

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I had it once in NYC.

It was pizza.

I mean...it didn't change my life or anything, but I was able to digest it and it was pleasant going down.

Kinda like most pizza I've had.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 11:52 AM (iikV

I've had New York "style" pizza many times, and I'm not really sure what makes it New York style.

It should be noted, my palate is rather... eh, I'm a primary color guy. I don't really get the many hues. My taste buds are dialup. They're an on/off switch without a dimmer. Food is either a 0 or a 1.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2019 12:05 PM (cY3LT)

376 Trump's tweet announcing Bolton's firing is pretty harsh.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2019 12:05 PM (ZLI7S)

377 onald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
6m
....I asked John for his resignation, which was given to me this morning. I thank John very much for his service. I will be naming a new National Security Advisor next week.
*******
HMMMMMM

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at September 10, 2019 12:05 PM (BqBId)

378 @realDonaldTrump 7 minutes ago

I informed John Bolton last night that his services are no longer needed at the White House. I disagreed strongly with many of his suggestions, as did others in the Administration, and therefore....

....I asked John for his resignation, which was given to me this morning. I thank John very much for his service. I will be naming a new National Security Advisor next week.

Posted by: Tami at September 10, 2019 12:05 PM (cF8AT)

379 John, has a fired mustache

The pink slip is against the wall.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at September 10, 2019 12:05 PM (O8WFE)

380 You ask a lot of questions. How about an answer to mine.
Posted by: pep

Because you have repeatedly refused to answer my first one.

What background check would have stopped the Sandy Hook shooter?

Posted by: rickb223 at September 10, 2019 12:06 PM (dDUXP)

381
John Bolton isn't just a "hawk, " he's a caricature of a war hawk.

Bolton is a character right out of Dr Strangelove.
The man is a fool.

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 10, 2019 12:06 PM (kGJFi)

382 348 Whoa. I want to see a reason for that because he looked like a good one to me.
..

My guess is Taliban or Norks.

Both?
Posted by: HA at September 10, 2019 12:03 PM (MAstk)

Maybe he dicked up the Taliban negotiations? Dunno. But he seemed loyal and efficient.

Posted by: joncelli, who's totally not in the pay of Big Alien at September 10, 2019 12:06 PM (RD7QR)

383 I could buy a truck and keep it on the farm - no license plate required, no license needed to drive it, etc., as long as it stays on the farm.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at September 10, 2019 12:02 PM (Rk2Ph)

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Yup. I think you can still order them to run on leaded gas and have no emissions controls either.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 10, 2019 12:06 PM (8XRCm)

384 370 Bolton was always a round peg in a square hole in this administration.
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Yup.

Posted by: HA at September 10, 2019 12:06 PM (MAstk)

385 What will be funny is that one the most hated political figures will suddenly be one of the most loved and appreciated.

By the media, that is.

The Strange New Respect whiplash is going to be epic.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 10, 2019 12:06 PM (ZGrMX)

386 DFW news is reporting Bolton resigned.

Several here say he was fired.

News reports Trump tweeted Bolton resigned.

What's the truth?

Posted by: Sponge at September 10, 2019 12:06 PM (Zz0t1)

387 I wish we "conservatives" played nicer with each other, since we are all we have in out War, and it is a WAR, with the Left and the Deep State

Again Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 10, 2019 12:06 PM (p0A33)

388 371
you are either a 2nd Amendment supporter or you are a communist

Posted by: phoenixgirl

Alrighty, then.

Posted by: pep at September 10, 2019 12:06 PM (T6t7i)

389 "The best independent pizza parlors are owned by Greeks. This is known."

Naples is a Greek city.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at September 10, 2019 12:06 PM (BblEJ)

390 Nood.

Posted by: blake - used salesman salesman
at September 10, 2019 12:06 PM (qC1Sy)

391 rian Cates @drawandstrike
8m
It's now official and on the record: Judge Sullivan has given Van Grack and the prosecution two weeks to respond to the Brady issues raised by the defense.

And Powell is explicitly asking for the Pientka 302.

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at September 10, 2019 12:06 PM (BqBId)

392 386 DFW news is reporting Bolton resigned.

Several here say he was fired.

News reports Trump tweeted Bolton resigned.

What's the truth?
Posted by: Sponge at September 10, 2019 12:06 PM (Zz0t1)

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That hot dogs are pizza and deep dish is a sandwich.

Fight me!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, The Winter Soldier at September 10, 2019 12:06 PM (iikV8)

393 364 Worse, Bro, Warren.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 10, 2019 12:06 PM (C1Lsn)

394 Stache gone?

Good thing IMO. I like some things about the stache, but he never saw a foreign intervention he didn't like.

And we just plain can't afford it anymore.

Posted by: Don Quixote at September 10, 2019 12:07 PM (NgKpN)

395 Feminist girltorney Lisa Bloom (daughter of Gloria Allred (Allthetime)).

https://bit.ly/2kF1d42

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 10, 2019 12:07 PM (+y/Ru)

396 Oh, I wouldn't mind a tragic poontang incident...

Posted by: joncelli, who's totally not in the pay of Big Alien at September 10, 2019 11:27 AM (RD7QR)

doesn't that lead to marriage?

hence the "tragic" part...

Posted by: SturmToddler at September 10, 2019 12:07 PM (8D42x)

397 Trump's tweet announcing Bolton's firing is pretty harsh.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2019 12:05 PM (ZLI7S)

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500 Quatloos says John got caught leaking behind the bosses back.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 10, 2019 12:07 PM (8XRCm)

398 That's quite surprising about Bolton - although there has been speculation lately about increasing tension between Bolton and Pompeo, and that they just weren't getting along at all anymore. So, Pompeo has won the contest.

If the bits and pieces that have been reported are accurate, Bolton pushed for direct military action a whole lot more than Trump was familiar with. I'm ambivalent about Bolton; one of the first things he did after he was hired was fire Seb Gorka, and I always thought that was a bad decision.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2019 12:07 PM (Kpl3J)

399 What's the truth?

We may never know...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at September 10, 2019 12:07 PM (7s3Gx)

400 Clearly this does not include catching said tuna.

My fishing buddy and I once calculated the time/money it cost us to prepare our own caught tuna. Expensive and time consuming but very tasty.

Posted by: JackStraw

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No, I don't catch my own fish.

...Nor do I knit my own shoelaces. I just go buy them.

Posted by: RKae at September 10, 2019 12:07 PM (LTccB)

401 Nood.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at September 10, 2019 12:07 PM (k76MH)

402 378 @realDonaldTrump 7 minutes ago

I informed John Bolton last night that his services are no longer needed at the White House. I disagreed strongly with many of his suggestions, as did others in the Administration, and therefore....

....I asked John for his resignation, which was given to me this morning. I thank John very much for his service. I will be naming a new National Security Advisor next week.
Posted by: Tami at September 10, 2019 12:05 PM (cF8AT)

Opposed the Afghanistan withdrawal, is my guess. The Donald is my fave but God's teeth does he have problems retaining personnel.

Posted by: joncelli, who's totally not in the pay of Big Alien at September 10, 2019 12:07 PM (RD7QR)

403 You need a background check before buying a Dominos pizza. But only if there are more than 6 toppings.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 10, 2019 12:07 PM (FiUMj)

404 News reports Trump tweeted Bolton resigned.

What's the truth?

Trump also Tweeted that many in the administration didn't like Bolton's suggestions. (I'm going to assume "bomb all of the things"). So it sounds like a "resign or you're fired" situation.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 10, 2019 12:08 PM (ZGrMX)

405 2) Should have? Absolutely, but they often don't. I'm not willing to put my life in the hands of those folks and their willingness to make good decisions.
Posted by: pep at September 10, 2019 11:49 AM (T6t7i)

But you are willing to put your life in the hands of disinterested, Democrat-voting government bureaucrats, who are too damned lazy to make good decisions?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 10, 2019 12:08 PM (jEgzt)

406 397 Trump's tweet announcing Bolton's firing is pretty harsh.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2019 12:05 PM (ZLI7S)

I agree, this is about the same way he fired Comey. Trump is pissed off as hell about something he did.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2019 12:08 PM (Kpl3J)

407 "Let you guys in on a little secret. The powers that be arent *really* interested making an impact in gun control.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 10, 2019 11:43 AM (8XRCm)"

..The biggest clue is that after Parkland, half the states passed laws granting immunity to gov workers for failing to process paperwork intended to put people on the no-buy list. It covers even outright negligence; sit at your gov PC and watch porn all day and delete all of the records that cross your desk, resulting in a mass shooter passing a NICS check, and you have complete civil and criminal immunity. These people aren't "inefficient", they want you to die, especially if it can help them score political points.

Someone upthread poked fun at my assertion that if you can't be trusted with a gun, you should not be out of jail or the mental hospital - "let us know when that becomes law".

The first step is dealing with all of the bad-faith leftist twats in government that have zero interest in actually enforcing law or protecting us. They're a much bigger threat than common criminals - and they're the reason we can't keep people in jail that should be in jail, or outright shoot the ones that should be shot during the commission of their crimes.

Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at September 10, 2019 12:08 PM (67XdO)

408 Feminist girltorney Lisa Bloom (daughter of Gloria Allred (Allthetime)).

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At this very moment, I'm listening to Nathan discuss her on Lift the Veil.

What a despicable twat that woman is.

Posted by: RKae at September 10, 2019 12:09 PM (LTccB)

409 Maybe he dicked up the Taliban negotiations? Dunno. But he seemed loyal and efficient.
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No I think he was philosophically opposed to them.

And likely voiced it.

Posted by: HA at September 10, 2019 12:09 PM (MAstk)

410 TGE, I think, had John Bolton in the Cabinet for two reasons: (1) to make a case for "war mongering", which is sometimes needed and (2) to scare the sh!t out of Iran and others.

The moment Bolton starts second-guessing decisions that TGE makes, it's Exterminatus.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 10, 2019 12:09 PM (ykYG2)

411 320. Berserker, that's because Florentines hate tourists and regard pizza as peasant food.

Posted by: kallisto at September 10, 2019 12:09 PM (wy4/l)

412 You need a background check before buying a Dominos pizza. But only if there are more than 6 toppings.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview

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What if the government doesn't have my background check done in 30 minutes or less?

Posted by: RKae at September 10, 2019 12:10 PM (LTccB)

413 I informed John Bolton last night that his services are no longer needed at the White House. I disagreed strongly with many of his suggestions, as did others in the Administration, and therefore....
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 10, 2019 12:05 PM (p0A33)

If that's Trump's view, then that's what needed to be done. I'd like to think Bolton made his exit understanding and agreeing with the decision.

Maybe this means we're finally going to get out of Afghanistan for reals.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2019 12:11 PM (cY3LT)

414 my assertion that if you can't be trusted with a gun, you should not be out of jail or the mental hospital - "let us know when that becomes law".

I won't poke fun, but I think there is a point where mentally ill or just plain neurotic people should be declared incompetent to keep arms or to vote.

That point is the point at which you cash your first check for, well, disability benefits. At least.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 10, 2019 12:11 PM (ykYG2)

415 Why bother doing any checks if some sales are immune to checks?
The vast majority of gun sales in the United States are already subject to background checks. Person to person sales are the only ones not subject to background checks.
Person to person sales from one gun owner to a new gun owner, fall into two categories: 1. A transaction between responsible people. 2 A transaction in which one or more of the parties are irresponsible people. The vast majority of person to person sales fall in category one - to the point that is almost impossible to find a case in which a type one transaction resulted in a crime being committed with the firearm in question.
In type 2 transactions the only one where a background check might prevent a crime is when the seller is a responsible person, while the buyer is not. However if the buyer is an irresponsible person it is a responsibility of the seller to realize that and not sell the gun.

If the seller, or both parties are irresponsible people they will simply ignore the law and the transaction will proceed with no background check.
In other words universal background checks aren't universal and will have no measurable beneficial effect.
I have answered your plausible lie of a question, now I'll answer the rest of your follow up questions with this answer: "Fuck you, psychopath."

Posted by: An Observation at September 10, 2019 12:11 PM (ainvN)

416 The Florentines are the definition of pretentious.

Posted by: kallisto at September 10, 2019 12:11 PM (wy4/l)

417 These same assholes who want to confiscate firearms can't even run a healthcare system.

Posted by: Fritz at September 10, 2019 12:11 PM (kLDv+)

418 Bolton will now become.... HERO of the Left and MSM

Posted by: JoeF. at September 10, 2019 12:13 PM (NFEMn)

419 There does not exist on Galveston Island, a truly Horde worthy pizza establishment.

There are a couple-three places here with edible, acceptable pizza. But nothing to celebrate, for damn sure.

Up near IAH Bush Airport in Houston, just off of Farm to Market Rd. 1960, there is a place called Brooklyn Pizza.

Absolutely sublime. They have many of their ingredients shipped from NYC at least once per week. The owners are all FROM Brooklyn, and brought the recipes with 'em.

Another very good pizza in the Houston area is Barry's Wood Fired Pizza. Richmond Ave. at Fountainview.

Otherwise, my benchmark for Best PIzza Ever, is at Santarpio's. 111 N. Chelsea, Boston, MA.

Bon Apetit!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 10, 2019 12:13 PM (QzJWU)

420
I've had New York "style" pizza many times, and I'm not really sure what makes it New York style.

It thinks it's better than any other pizza.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 10, 2019 12:14 PM (aKsyK)

421 Bolton will now become.... HERO of the Left and MSM
Posted by: JoeF. at September 10, 2019 12:13 PM (NFEMn)

On second thought, maybe the hatred for him is still deep from the Bush years.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 10, 2019 12:15 PM (NFEMn)

422 137 I've had shitty and good pizza everywhere in the country. Same with Mexican and Chinese and whatever else.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 10, 2019

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I've only had lousy Mexican food in Pittsburgh, of all places. It was a small local chain, but the food was bland. Pizza? Like they say about sex, the worst I ever had was still pretty good, and the same goes for most Italian food. Every Chinese restaurant seems about the same to me.

But then, everybody exclaims about how great the food is here in The High Crime Drainage Ditch, and I shrug. "You can get, or make, good food anywhere."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 10, 2019 12:15 PM (ClOmq)

423 Here in the Natural State, Red Baron is the hallmark of pizza. If they could figure out a way to deep fry it, so much the better.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 10, 2019 12:16 PM (C1Lsn)

424
The Florentines are the definition of pretentious.
Posted by: kallisto at September 10, 2019 12:11 PM (wy4/l)

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I know they have that reputation, LOL.

Now I've also heard you should keep one hand on your wallet and the other on your knife when Neapolitans are around. Is that one accurate too?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 10, 2019 12:16 PM (AzW6q)

425 Gun safe + secret combination.
Posted by: pep at September 10, 2019 12:01 PM (T6t7i)

The kid would have just waited until she had the safe open for some reason, and then killed her and taken the gun. Or he would have ambushed a cop, and taken his weapon. The batshit insane, on a mission, can be very resourceful.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 10, 2019 12:18 PM (jEgzt)

426 I don't know about that. I talked with the guy at the Pawn shop that sells a butt ton of guns and he says he gets 10-12 prohibited people in his store every week trying to buy guns. I think background checks are a good thing myself.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 10, 2019 12:03 PM (JUOKG)

It's against the law for a prohibited person to attempt to purchase a firearm. They are almost never prosecuted -- so, waste of time. Also willing to bet money that the majority of those prohibited persons were not planning to commit a crime with that firearm since they have to go through the whole filling-out paperwork thing.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at September 10, 2019 12:19 PM (YQ4mh)

427 426 A lot of denied people on a 4473 check are from old juvie cases, and I mean old like 40 years, who forgot or thought they were expunged.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 10, 2019 12:21 PM (C1Lsn)

428 Would have been that brave principal who charged the murdering scumbag with just her body. A Remington 1100 loaded with #4 buck would have been a fine addition to her heroism.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 10, 2019 12:01 PM (wYseH)

Indeed, that would have ended the massacre, and saved some lives. But the only thing that would have prevented it would have been some sort of sanction applied to the bad seed kid. Either locked up, or killed.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 10, 2019 12:22 PM (jEgzt)

429 There are times when I hate you folks. Like when you talk about food and I'm sitting here eating hospital jello.

So the docs scoped me yesterday and found some varicose veins in my esophagus that had burst. Got them all tied off and everything is looking good. Moving me out of ICU this afternoon and barring any unforeseen problems I should be released tomorrow.

Thanks for your prayers, much appreciated.

Love you jackwagons.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 10, 2019 12:27 PM (TnoDk)

430 Gotta love the "only good {some kind of food} is found in {whatever place}.

I've had damn good steaks outside of Texas. And damn good NY-style pizza outside of NY. And damn good cheesesteaks outside of Philly.

But I dare say there few, if any places that have a real "Maryland {Style} Crab Cake" outside of MD (or the Chesapeake Bay areas of VA/DE).

Posted by: doof at September 10, 2019 12:37 PM (olgDX)

431 424. 'I don' know nuthin about nobody'

Posted by: kallisto at September 10, 2019 12:51 PM (0spTc)

432 ITC, damn. If you need anything just holler. I'm not very far away.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 10, 2019 12:56 PM (R6g1s)

433 Reopen some insane asylums - make about 20K placements. You'd be doing something useful.

Posted by: simplemind

I've advocated this for decades.
It's the single best solution to the problem, although it will be
imperfect, and people will slip through the net.

Posted by: pep at September 10, 2019 11:45 AM

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Way too many "innocent" people got dumped into those Hospitals and were forced to stay there for years or even decades in some cases.
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Yep. And yet that is still better than what is proposed now.

And I've more confidence in being able to deal with the people in that system who shouldn't be there, than all that should be in there now who are roaming free.

Posted by: simplemind at September 10, 2019 01:26 PM (gJAj7)

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