What happened in the '70s? [KT]

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What happened to universities in the '70s?

Victor Davis Hanson's masterfully written piece on the degradation of universities (with rare exceptions and bright spots) from icons to just cons comes to us via J.J. Sefton's Labor Day Morning Report. You should probably read the whole thing. Maybe share it. A few highlights:

The stage is set for degradation:

Most of us who came of age in the 1970s revered the university--even as it was still reeling from 1960s protests and beginning a process that resulted in its present chaos and disrepute.

Americans of the G.I. Bill-era first enshrined the idea of upward mobility through the bachelor's degree--the assumed gateway to career security--and the positive role of expanding colleges to grow the new suburban middle classes.

As an undergraduate and graduate student at hotbeds of prior 1960s protests at UC Santa Cruz and Stanford, I don't think I had a single conservative professor. Yet there were few faculty members, in Western Civilization, history, classics, or mandatory general education science and math classes, who either sought to indoctrinate us with their liberal world view or punished us for remaining conservative.

It was jarring to see old-fashioned demands for Ciceronian style in Latin prose composition classes occasionally coming from professors with jeans, long hair, and scandals, or to be introduced to artificially informal profs ("Oh, just call me Bob--no need for 'Doctor' or 'Professor'"), who nonetheless insisted on grounding ancient historical arguments with precise references to Greek quotations in classical authors.

VDH taught his own students, many from rural and minority backgrounds, from the classics. But this kind of teaching was becoming rare even before he retired.

He describes the transformation of administration from a part-time faculty duty to an expensive full time professional caste, and the exploding costs of college. Spartan elements of the college experience are just about gone.

The fall

What went wrong? The former students of the 1970s came into power and gradually began to reject the very code of conduct and training of those who taught them. And in turn they taught a new generation who for the first time had little first-hand knowledge of the great campus scholars and icons of the past.

Politics increasingly infected courses as competence eroded--logical for faculty and students since the former required far less of the latter. Across the curriculum, race, class, and gender studies found their way into art, music, literature, philosophy and history classes. Deduction now replaced the old empiricism. Grades inflated; the therapeutic triumphed over the tragic as how students felt was almost as important as what they learned and knew.

And that's not all that went wrong . . .

Other subheadings include:

The Woke Industry

Truth in Lending?

The Costs

and my favorite,

The Prescription

A few of his excellent ideas:

Mandatory exit standardized tests could calibrate whether students learned anything after spending or borrowing $250,000 for a degree. If a certain minimum SAT or ACT score is considered necessary for admittance (to calibrate the relative merit of various high school grade point averages), why would not such a similar exit exam be necessary for a bachelor's degree? The university double-checks the competency of high-school degrees, but not its own?

Universities should be held responsible for repaying a large percentage of the loans they issued and yet in advance knew well could not and would not be repaid. The government should get out of the campus loan insurance business.

Administrative service should become finite and thus recalibrated as a temporary release from teaching rather than as a full-time career--and paid on the same scale as faculty instruction. Most importantly, society at large needs to accept that the undergraduate population needs to be reduced by half and redirected to apprenticeships and vocational training.

And the final irony:

The chance of reform? Zero.

Indebted students, many with largely worthless degrees, and few employment opportunities sufficient to repay their loans, have become a loyal progressive constituency. How odd that an entire generation, in psychologically and financially suspended animation, is seen as useful by the very politicos who created this labyrinth of exploitation in the first place.

I think he has the big picture here.

What happened to rock music in the '70s?

This weekend, CBD posted a piece on rock legends dying off. Meanwhile, Rolling Stone, the magazine, is also sort of dying off. But yesterday I ran across one of their pieces which noted that vinyl is poised to out-sell CDs soon.

Huh.

Thoughts?

Anyway, I mostly missed out on the harder side of rock back in the day, and I was not real up to speed on some of the rest of rock. So I was totally flummoxed by Rolling Stone's commentary on their favorite forgotten rock music of the 1970s.

TWIGGY?

I think she sounds better later, here.

Surprise!

Paul McCartney's brother?

What happened to blues in the '70s?

Rolling Stone also did a piece on their favorite forgotten blues music of the 1970s. Probably safe to listen to this one. Might not be safe to sing along these days. Stay in your own lane.

Hope that your weekend turns out well. Got anything planned?


NOTE: This is the Thread before the Gardening Thread.

Serving your mid-day open thread needs

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1 Hah!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 07, 2019 11:19 AM (amw5z)

2 *lights cigar*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 07, 2019 11:21 AM (amw5z)

3 *waits*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 07, 2019 11:21 AM (amw5z)

4 came to visit. I let him tell me who he was canvassing for, before saying "thank you for your time."

Instead of politely leaving, he asked why I wasn't interested in Cole's material. I informed him that I was inherently opposed to being ruled by, dictated to, or made subservient to anyone, anywhere, and that I actively opposed Cole's campaign.

Mr. Volunteer man told me "that's what's wrong with this country right now."

Keep it up lefties. Keep saying what you think.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at September 07, 2019 11:21 AM (T8HPM)

5 *checks watch*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 07, 2019 11:22 AM (amw5z)

6 Ugh. I effed up my own psuedo-willowing.


A campaign worker for Josh Cole's (D) campaign just came to visit. I let him tell me who he was canvassing for, before saying "thank you for your time."

Instead of politely leaving, he asked why I wasn't interested in Cole's material. I informed him that I was inherently opposed to being ruled by, dictated to, or made subservient to anyone, anywhere, and that I actively opposed Cole's campaign.

Mr. Volunteer man told me "that's what's wrong with this country right now."

Keep it up lefties. Keep saying what you think.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Ridiculous Bullshit at September 07, 2019 11:22 AM (T8HPM)

7 SCREAM AND LEAP!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 07, 2019 11:24 AM (4c+5M)

8 Way too nice outside. Way.

Posted by: klaftern at September 07, 2019 11:25 AM (RuIsu)

9 A degree in pop. culture and current events w/spin, won't even get you a shift managers job @ mickey d's any more.

Posted by: BignJames at September 07, 2019 11:26 AM (X/Pw5)

10 "...vinyl is poised to out-sell CDs soon."

Didn't read the link but from my experience digital download is the way to get the music you want with you and vinyl is part collection, nostalgia and something to take up the space where your VHS/CD collection used to be.

Posted by: Horus Hearsay at September 07, 2019 11:26 AM (DB16e)

11 Tons of great blues in the 70s and the 80s. I am not sure much came out in the 90s and beyond though, as most of the best and most talented blues artists were dying off.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 07, 2019 11:26 AM (KZzsI)

12 Oh. Rolling Stone, not Rolling Stones.

Journalistic credibility at its finest right there.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 07, 2019 11:26 AM (amw5z)

13 Willowed

We have a car we are planning to sell. We let it sit for a couple of months, and now it won't start without being jumped. It required jumping every time we want to start it.

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It will sell a lot easier with the new battery. If I were buying it would make me wonder if the alternator needed replacing, for one. That expense will help sell the car and can be accounted for in the price.

You might find a used battery on Craigslist, too.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at September 07, 2019 11:27 AM (fsa/N)

14 "Universities should be held responsible for repaying a large percentage
of the loans they issued and yet in advance knew well could not and
would not be repaid. The government should get out of the campus loan
insurance business."

obama and the democrats intentionally took over the student loan business from private lenders. They saw all of that money being made by the private sector and wanted it for themselves.

There was no "student loan crisis" until the Federal government took over 99.99% of student loans in 2010 and the Fed started handing out $$$ like candy to anyone with a pulse no matter if they could ever repay the loan.


Plus they made student loans bullet proof by being non dis chargeable in bankruptcy.

This "crisis" is 100% the responsibility of the democrats.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 07, 2019 11:27 AM (JUOKG)

15 What happened to 70s Titties?

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 11:27 AM (J8GSw)

16 And I xexpct that vinyl might overtake CDs mostly because few people even buy CDs any longer. Its all digital. I still buy them because I buy hard copy wherever and whenever I can. Those who do not are fools. But that's the trend. Its all streaming and downloads, not ownership.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 07, 2019 11:28 AM (KZzsI)

17 "...vinyl is poised to out-sell CDs soon."
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Didn't read the link but from my experience digital download is the way to get the music you want with you and vinyl is part collection, nostalgia and something to take up the space where your VHS/CD collection used to be.
Posted by: Horus Hearsay at September 07, 2019 11:26 AM (DB16e)


I still buy CDs when I can, because I want to maintain control over my digital "content." If I only do digital downloads, which is sometimes the only option, I burn those onto CDs.

Records? Well, I have a record player, but I can't put it in my car, which is where a large portion of my music listening to occurs. I don't give a damn about supposed "fidelity" and all that crackling nonsense the record people try to say.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 11:29 AM (cY3LT)

18 Well, since this is serving our mid-day open thread needs .... I hope you will pardon me if I re-post my willowed request for knowledge.

I have a practical life-skills question to ask the Horde:

We have a car we are planning to sell. We let it sit for a couple of months, and now it won't start without being jumped. It required jumping every time we want to start it.

Is it worthwhile to try to add water to the battery? The procedure sounds a little hazardous. Our other thought was to put the oldest battery from one of our other cars into the car for sale and buy a new battery for the car we will keep.

The car for sale is a '98 Sable, so we are not expecting much for it -- $500-800 maybe.

Posted by: Emmie at September 07, 2019 11:29 AM (i/wJA)

19 CD's are harder to sell than Cassettes, these days.

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 11:29 AM (J8GSw)

20 But yesterday I ran across one of their pieces which noted that vinyl is poised to out-sell CDs soon.

Huh.

Thoughts?

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It's strangely pleasant to imagine an entire new generation of kids putting records in boxes because they are too much of a pain in the *ss to deal with on a daily basis.

I never would have imagined it would happen twice.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at September 07, 2019 11:30 AM (fsa/N)

21 And silly me, I paid off my school loans. Although, conscience would let me do nothing less.

Posted by: Infidel at September 07, 2019 11:30 AM (BLFnH)

22 I was one of the students in the 1970s, and I thought of myself as liberal, but I didn't get incensed about it. I was much more concerned with having dates, drinking, and surviving classes.

Didn't finish then, as I realized even at that point that it was not teaching me much. After about 13 years, thanks to being hired by a local private university, I was able to go back to school and get my degree. That led to a succession of good IT jobs. But I got caught in the H1-B draft. I wound up going back to the same university as a staffer, using my IT and organizational skills in ways my predecessor hadn't.

Now I work in an allied department in the same building, for more money (though not as much as if I had continued in IT!), and hope to retire soon and flee this pesthole for a better climate.

Somewhere about 2005, as I saw how feminists acted toward men and how the rabble reacted to Katrina, I woke up to being a conservative. In some ways I'd always been one, but didn't realize it.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 07, 2019 11:30 AM (4c+5M)

23 Emmie, answered above your post.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at September 07, 2019 11:30 AM (fsa/N)

24 15 What happened to 70s Titties?
Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019


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They got bigger. God bless 'em.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 07, 2019 11:31 AM (4c+5M)

25 >> I have a record player, but I can't put it in my car, which is where a large portion of my music listening to occurs. I don't give a damn about supposed "fidelity" and all that crackling nonsense the record people try to say.


Well. There's nonsense and there is nonsense.

If you don't have an investment in a good analog front end, no reason to chase fidelity in that domain.

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 11:31 AM (J8GSw)

26 Thank you, Moron Robbie. I guess I was mostly wondering whether to try adding distilled water to the battery or just put another battery in it.

Posted by: Emmie at September 07, 2019 11:31 AM (i/wJA)

27 I am waiting for RS to accuse the 60's and '70's bands and singers they once idolized of cultural appropriation: Eric Clapton, the Stones, the Animals, Janis Joplin - how dare all those honkies sing blues songs?

Posted by: Donna&&&&V at September 07, 2019 11:32 AM (d6Ksn)

28 I only listen to music that's digital with the holy shit compressed out of it.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 07, 2019 11:33 AM (amw5z)

29 Emmie at September 07, 2019 11:29 AM
Yes, this is an open thread!

Posted by: KT at September 07, 2019 11:33 AM (BVQ+1)

30 Emmie:

Swap the batteries. Drive to Autozona and have them test the battery and alternator.

If the alternator is good and the battery is dead, seek to replace it (New or Used).

If the alternator is the problem, repair / replace / donate the car. Depending on the cost numbers involved.

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 11:33 AM (J8GSw)

31 "Americans of the G.I. Bill-era first enshrined the idea of upward mobility through the bachelor's degree--the assumed gateway to career security--and the positive role of expanding colleges to grow the new suburban middle classes."

Whether intentional or not, it was nice to see someone note the Ponzi scheme that resulted from those GI bills types who, to this day, think so very much of themselves, as they greedily go about sucking the leif out of the rest of the Country. But hey, they deserve it!

The only good thing that will come out of that generation is the almost certainty Medicare will never be for all, not as long as they are alive, voting, and protecting their perks, something they excel at.

Posted by: Quilp at September 07, 2019 11:33 AM (Bf3hj)

32 Wanna see my picture on the cover ..

Posted by: JackStraw at September 07, 2019 11:33 AM (ZLI7S)

33 There was a blues revival in the 80s that included some real amazing talent but that faded.

Consider this though: the 60s rock and roll surge was mostly driven by blues revival from songs that came from earlier in that century.

But its been 50 years since the British Invasion that was so driven by blues, and the blues those people were excited by and inspired by came from less than 50 years earlier.

50 years before the 1960s was the 1910s which was before most of the blues were recorded or the biggest names were even active. Robert Johnson was born in 1911. Acts like Muddy Waters, BB King, Howlin Wolf etc were all 30s to 50s acts.

If we're going to have a rock and roll revival (doubtful, since rock has to be rebellious and cutting edge to be effective), that window passed.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 07, 2019 11:34 AM (KZzsI)

34 >>I only listen to music that's digital with the holy shit compressed out of it.


I really like the clipping in this part, coming up!

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 11:34 AM (J8GSw)

35 The government should get out of the campus loan insurance business.
This statement applies to much of what the government currently does. See flood insurance.

Most importantly, society at large needs to accept that the
undergraduate population needs to be reduced by half and redirected to
apprenticeships and vocational training.

But that would mean Bobby isn't really special, and therefore neither are Bobby's parents. Can't have that.

Indebted students, many with largely worthless degrees, and few
employment opportunities sufficient to repay their loans, have become a
loyal progressive constituency.

Which was, of course, the intent.

Posted by: pep at September 07, 2019 11:34 AM (T6t7i)

36 Thank you, KT. You always provide thought-provoking content and it seems a shame to bring in a mundane question.

Posted by: Emmie at September 07, 2019 11:34 AM (i/wJA)

37 I think one of the strangest things about pre-British Invasion music is that there was an entire musical subculture in England built around a genre of music created by poor blacks in America.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 07, 2019 11:35 AM (amw5z)

38 trolls on Saturday?

*waves* Hi Emmie.

Posted by: Infidel at September 07, 2019 11:36 AM (BLFnH)

39 >>I think one of the strangest things about pre-British Invasion music is that there was an entire musical subculture in England built around a genre of music created by poor blacks in America.


Well, the English really didn't have shit for a recording and record industry. You wanted music, it came mostly from America.

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 11:36 AM (J8GSw)

40 It's not odd, Mr. Hansen. It's the plan. A generation of debt-slaves.

Burn it all down and post heads as warnings for generations to come. It's the only way at this point.

Posted by: Brother Cavil says at September 07, 2019 11:36 AM (D5yyd)

41 Emmie, if the car is in decent shape otherwise I doubt you'll have any problems selling it even for $1000. There are very few beaters available these days and someone will snatch that up and drive it for another 100k.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at September 07, 2019 11:36 AM (fsa/N)

42 We have records by the hundreds here but we don't listen to them except to burn to CD because the quality is so poor. I know there are those who claim its "warmer" and better and all that but... its not. I lived through the transition and it was like putting a good pair of glasses on, suddenly the sound was fuller and cleaner and more pure.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 07, 2019 11:37 AM (KZzsI)

43 Thank you, Garrett. So you wouldn't try adding distilled water to the battery?

Posted by: Emmie at September 07, 2019 11:37 AM (i/wJA)

44 Can you blame some parents for pushing college if a degree is now the baseline requirement just to get your foot in the door for a lot of businesses and agencies? I'm not sure I would even be hired on by my current place of employment were I to apply today.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 11:37 AM (kQs4Y)

45 The car for sale is a '98 Sable, so we are not expecting much for it -- $500-800 maybe.

Posted by: Emmie

I had a 2001 Sable, and had to pay to have it taken away. I think you're being optimistic as to the price you can expect. I wouldn't sink another dime into it.

Posted by: pep at September 07, 2019 11:37 AM (T6t7i)

46 trolls on Saturday?

Posted by: Infidel at September 07, 2019 11:36 AM (BLFnH)

Doesn't seem to like vets and the benefits they've earned.

Posted by: BignJames at September 07, 2019 11:37 AM (X/Pw5)

47 Hi, Infidel! Good to see you here this morning!

Posted by: Emmie at September 07, 2019 11:38 AM (i/wJA)

48 garrett, did you order that new rhino Replacements set?

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 11:38 AM (PUmDY)

49 If the alternator is good and the battery is dead, seek to replace it (New or Used).

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This is solid advice. I was assuming the battery was a known quantity and just dead from time.

Sell all things honestly.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at September 07, 2019 11:38 AM (fsa/N)

50 I'm not sure I would even be hired on by my current place of employment were I to apply today.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 11:37 AM (kQs4Y)

I know that sans degree, I would not be considered qualified to do mine. At all. The field in which I earned my degree isn't relevant at all, but THAT I earned one is.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Ridiculous Bullshit at September 07, 2019 11:38 AM (T8HPM)

51 44
Can you blame some parents for pushing college if a degree is now the
baseline requirement just to get your foot in the door for a lot of
businesses and agencies?


No, I can't. However, that doesn't mean I need to pay for it.

Posted by: pep at September 07, 2019 11:38 AM (T6t7i)

52 Doesn't seem to like vets and the benefits they've earned.
Posted by: BignJames at September 07, 2019 11:37 AM (X/Pw5)

Seems to have misplaced his shine box.

Posted by: Infidel at September 07, 2019 11:38 AM (BLFnH)

53 >>Thank you, Garrett. So you wouldn't try adding distilled water to the battery?


Only if it is a refillable battery...bring it in for the check and if it can be refilled, they will.

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 11:39 AM (J8GSw)

54 The car for sale is a '98 Sable, so we are not expecting much for it -- $500-800 maybe.

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Hola!

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at September 07, 2019 11:39 AM (fsa/N)

55 But no sense in battery alone until you know the alternator isn't the culprit.

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 11:39 AM (J8GSw)

56 What's interesting to me is that the music people enjoy and listen to is so often driven by the sounds in their life and the machines they listen to it on.

Back in the old victrola days, the fidelity was terrible and leaned heavily on high sounds (not much bass) and the recordings were mostly high sounding singers and tinny music, not the full orchestral range.

when people started carrying around radios, the sound changed to one that carried better over transistor radios. When people got High-Fidelity component stereos to listen to music, you got super high end recording processes with stuff like Dark Side of the Moon, filled with nuances and subtle tones, little bits mixed in with incredible complexity.

Now that people are running around with crappy earbuds on digital devices, the music is 70% bass thuds and repeated mindless lyrics because its about the beat and really nothing else.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 07, 2019 11:40 AM (KZzsI)

57 Of course your success will depend on where you live. Here in the South there are lots of folks always looking for beaters.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at September 07, 2019 11:40 AM (fsa/N)

58 >> garrett, did you order that new rhino Replacements set?


The early or late one?

And...yes. I bought both. Not that I didn't have originals. The live set from Max's that came out 2 years ago is killer.

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 11:40 AM (J8GSw)

59 Mr. Volunteer man told me "that's what's wrong with this country right now."
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And he feels emboldened to say that. That's scary.

How old was he?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 11:40 AM (kQs4Y)

60 Rock in the 70's ??? 70's rock ended with Exile and Layla . And they were capstones from the '60's . As to The Sixties , to quote Peter Fonda's character in the film The Limey " The 60's were1966 and half of '67.".

Posted by: jaytrain at September 07, 2019 11:40 AM (kTU8y)

61 I don't have 29 year old ears anymore, and I'm amazed at how good even cheap $10 monoprice earbuds sound.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at September 07, 2019 11:41 AM (fsa/N)

62 "...leaned heavily on high sounds (not much bass) "

When recordings were made with hot wax, those bass sounds made the needle skip.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at September 07, 2019 11:42 AM (w7KSn)

63 Can you blame some parents for pushing college if a degree is now the baseline requirement just to get your foot in the door for a lot of businesses and agencies?

Depends on the work you want, but the truth is that's self-fulfilling. If most of the candidates have no college degree, they'll change how they pick employment. Eager parents are promoting this system.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 07, 2019 11:42 AM (KZzsI)

64 forgotten rock music of the 1970

Nice to see them give Badger, Robin Trower and Crack the Skye some props.

That album by The Motors is a good 'un too.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at September 07, 2019 11:42 AM (O8WFE)

65 Re #56 . of note is that Motown / Berry Gordy recorded their music not to RIAA crossover standards but to what would sound 'good' coming from a car radio seeker , the one in the dah there.

Posted by: jaytrain at September 07, 2019 11:43 AM (kTU8y)

66 >>I only listen to music that's digital with the holy shit compressed out of it.


I really like the clipping in this part, coming up!
Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 11:34 AM (J8GSw)


Don't laugh, I have an MP3 of "Fade Into You" that I've been carrying around for over 20 years and I can tell you exactly when a particular compression artifact is coming up.

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 07, 2019 11:43 AM (t+qrx)

67 >>When recordings were made with hot wax, those bass sounds made the needle skip.


The most important thing in Vinyl production is the Mastering.
If the Engineer does a shitty job on the cutting lathe, then you get problems.
If he is on it, you don't.

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 11:43 AM (J8GSw)

68 The old adage 'if you want less of something, tax it, but if you want more of something, subsidize it, particularly applies to the marxist diversiversity indoctrination camps formerly known as universities.

If we think 'higher ed' suxx now, just wait till it's 'free.'

Posted by: locomotivebreath1901@yahoo.com at September 07, 2019 11:43 AM (4ceyg)

69 I keep both cd and vinyl and a tuner and sat.tv muzak channels. I love music and like to own it. Both digital and analogue for the win.

Posted by: john doe at September 07, 2019 11:44 AM (WX+x0)

70 Rock in the 70's ??? 70's rock ended with Exile and Layla

Yeah all that stuff the Who, Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones, AC/DC, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, and a host of other acts put out in the 70s: totally not rock.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 07, 2019 11:44 AM (KZzsI)

71 And he feels emboldened to say that. That's scary.

How old was he?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 11:40 AM (kQs4Y)

White male, 57-63.

I wasn't shocked that he was that emboldened, I was shocked by the utter casualness with which he said it. There was no anger, no vehemence... He may as well have been telling me that gravity exists. It was just a statement of fact for him.

Per the left: People who refuse to be ruled are exactly what's wrong with this country.

Do any of you know a set of circumstances under which that statement does not apply? I don't. It always comes back to that. "People might make the WRONG choices with freedom, so we should centralize the choice-making process and enforce it universally."

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Ridiculous Bullshit at September 07, 2019 11:44 AM (T8HPM)

72 Can't stand the tinny sound of earbuds. Gotta be full cans. How can I signal my displeasure with the world at large and pointedly ignore you if I'm not wearing aircraft carrier-rated earphones?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 11:44 AM (kQs4Y)

73
Only if it is a refillable battery...bring it in for the check and if it can be refilled, they will.
Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 11:39 AM (J8GSw)


It is refillable. I did not know I could get some other schlub to do the deed. I was trying to avoid bothering with an appointment and labor charge at a mechanic.

Posted by: Emmie at September 07, 2019 11:44 AM (i/wJA)

74 >>Don't laugh, I have an MP3 of "Fade Into You" that I've been carrying around for over 20 years and I can tell you exactly when a particular compression artifact is coming up.


What kills me is how many people DON'T hear that shit.


It's like nails on a chalkboard for me.

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 11:44 AM (J8GSw)

75 "I have a record player, but I can't put it in my car."

Well, you could buy a 1956 Chrysler Imperial.

On the blues front, husband (yes, Art's a girl) and I were big fans of Charlie Musselwhite in the 80s-90s. He's still around and is being inducted in the Memphis Hall of Fame this Nov. 8.

Posted by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey at September 07, 2019 11:44 AM (S+f+m)

76 I mean I guess you can laugh if you want to. It is pretty silly.

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 07, 2019 11:44 AM (t+qrx)

77 >>It is refillable. I did not know I could get some other schlub to do the deed. I was trying to avoid bothering with an appointment and labor charge at a mechanic


Autozone type places / Les Schwaab will check / refill / test as needed. Free of charge and without an appointment.

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 11:45 AM (J8GSw)

78 >>On the blues front, husband (yes, Art's a girl) and I were big fans of Charlie Musselwhite in the 80s-90s.


He would have been my first suggestion for 70s Blues Revival.

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 11:46 AM (J8GSw)

79 CD's are harder to sell than Cassettes, these days.
Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 11:29 AM (J8GSw)


Hmmm, I'm in the middle of clearing out the house here, packing what's going with us, throwing out what isn't.

All the cassettes, except I think two of them, got pitched.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 11:47 AM (cY3LT)

80 Autozone type places / Les Schwaab will check / refill / test as needed. Free of charge and without an appointment.
Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 11:45 AM (J8GSw)


Tres cool!

Posted by: Emmie at September 07, 2019 11:47 AM (i/wJA)

81 >>All the cassettes, except I think two of them, got pitched.


Gah!

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 11:47 AM (J8GSw)

82 Cool thing about that Badger album on the Rolling Stone list...it was recorded as the group was opening for Yes on the shows they recorded for Yessongs. Same mobile setup, same crew.

So, If you play One Live Badger and Yessongs back to back, you can recreate what must have been one helluva show.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at September 07, 2019 11:47 AM (O8WFE)

83 garrett, this one....


https://tinyurl.com/y5tmqt2k

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 11:47 AM (PUmDY)

84 The biggest benefit of vinyl albums isn't the sound its the cover art and stuff inside. CDs are so small you can't really include much but albums the cover was a real art form.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 07, 2019 11:48 AM (KZzsI)

85 Loved the list of forgotten rock albums, I had never heard of most of those! Except for Robin Trower, I had all of his albums, loved him, and the Chambers Brothers.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 07, 2019 11:48 AM (trdmm)

86 If you are over 29 and want to enjoy music more, get your hearing checked.
Chances are good you have some hefty deficits, some hearing loss. Could be anything, maybe a construction job you had, maybe you are a combat vet, maybe you spent a career commuting on a noisy train.
Then buy hearing aids. The new technology is very good.
You will be amazed at the difference.
I got some in January and now walk around in a state of amazement. I can hear birdsong I haven't heard in years.
That couple sitting 30 feet away, I can hear every word.
The high trilly parts in the orchestra. I saw the notes on the page, I knew they must be there, but I didn't hear them until I got the devices.
Bluetooth compatible, listen to music directly on the devices. Control the volume, get some nice presets.
What the hell is money for, anyway?

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at September 07, 2019 11:48 AM (w7KSn)

87 Batteries Plus also checks and replaces batteries.

Posted by: john doe at September 07, 2019 11:48 AM (WX+x0)

88 I still have an old childhood record of Liszt's "Les Preludes" that has a scratch, and I miss that bump bump when I hear the piece on the radio. When I play it in my head it has that *hiss pop*.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 11:49 AM (kQs4Y)

89 I agree with most of that article.

But this:

"Indebted students, many with largely worthless degrees, and few employment opportunities "

is bullshit. FEW employment opportunities? Come on. Anyone with a degree today can get a decent paying, white collar job. Is it your dream job necessarily? No. But the myth of a recent grad working at McDonald's with $200K in debt is ridiculous. And it doesn't help perpetuating this lie, since it gives the likes of Bernie and Warren ammunition in their crusade to end capitalism.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 07, 2019 11:49 AM (FiUMj)

90 >garrett, this one....


Ah...another 'mats Live Set!

I'll buy the vinyl edition if there is one. But I won't buy anything with CDs as I am throwing money away on those.

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 11:49 AM (J8GSw)

91
What kills me is how many people DON'T hear that shit.


It's like nails on a chalkboard for me.
Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 11:44 AM (J8GSw)

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Funny, but I grew up in an audiophile household. My dad was VP of Marketing for JBL for about a decade in the 70s and we always had really high-end stuff in the house -- amps, pre-amps, equalizers, expensive turntables and headphones, great speakers, natch. Today, I really cant tell the difference in quality between compressed and lossless digital formats.

I have no complaints about compressed.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 07, 2019 11:50 AM (amw5z)

92 Don't laugh, I have an MP3 of "Fade Into You" that I've been carrying around for over 20 years and I can tell you exactly when a particular compression artifact is coming up.


What kills me is how many people DON'T hear that shit.

It's like nails on a chalkboard for me.
Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 11:44 AM (J8GSw)


I don't even know what "compression artifact" means.

Funny, as I was typing my last comment, because I'm checking what's been ripped and what hasn't, I started listening to "Ghost Highway," which is Mazzy Star's live album.

Great stuff. The CD is packed away in a box already, this is the mp3 I ripped. I don't know what I'm missing.

You guys do, I guess.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 11:50 AM (cY3LT)

93 Daniel Biss@DanielBiss
Counterpoint:

"Warren's wealth tax is an extremely good idea. It is the tax-code equivalent of looting mansions."

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And what of Guillotines?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 07, 2019 11:50 AM (+y/Ru)

94 Speaking of Pablum McCrappy, his grandson was robbed at knife point in the rapidly fading English language speaking - soon to be Islamic city of London. The aging vegetarian jowl filled exBeatle chalked the crime up as just A Day In The Life. Too bad the crime didn't happen to Sir McCrappy for his tofu desserts comments regarding 911. That said,his concerts are still decent, since Pablum can afford to pay some of the best backup musicians in the world, except of course, me.
Cheers all,
Ringo

Posted by: NOS4A2 at September 07, 2019 11:50 AM (WWS2B)

95 garrett, listen to the Alex Chilton in that link. Holy crap.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 11:51 AM (PUmDY)

96 >>The biggest benefit of vinyl albums isn't the sound its the cover art and stuff inside


No. The biggest benefit of Vinyl is that the majority of it has never left the analog domain.

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 11:51 AM (J8GSw)

97 The biggest loss is '70's bush.

* weeps *

Posted by: Carpet Man at September 07, 2019 11:51 AM (kTze9)

98 >> garrett, listen to the Alex Chilton in that link. Holy crap.


That Tune is EVERYTHING Power Pop is supposed to be. Fucking love it.

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 11:52 AM (J8GSw)

99 Off to see if Army can torment Mich.....for a half.

Posted by: BignJames at September 07, 2019 11:52 AM (X/Pw5)

100 It is the tax-code equivalent of looting mansions.

How about stripping churches? I'm sure there's lots of artwork and metals that nobody really cares about and they're all, like, just sitting around.

If we're going to go full Vandal then just say so.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 07, 2019 11:53 AM (ZBBkS)

101 I am sorry, I have had it up to here with lefty generations and their excuses. I was always conservative. There was not age when I was not conservative. I recall in 2nd grade we voted for the president and I voted Repubs. It turns out the Repub won at my school but lost the real election.

I am about fed up with people chronicalling the descent into leftist socialism. How about someone does something to change it? First of all, where are the parents? I get that some kids rebel, but if you give them a good example, it is more likely they will take those wining views on. My guess is most wh rebel are doing it against fakers. Those that say one thing and do another.

And if conservatives are not wiling to go into the schools and teach, we will always be behind the eight ball..

Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 11:53 AM (n13/j)

102 Except for Robin Trower, I had all of his albums, loved him, and the Chambers Brothers.

The title track from Long Misty Days will never not give me goosebumps. The man has always had an absolutely killer tone, but on that one, it's just out of the stratosphere.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at September 07, 2019 11:53 AM (O8WFE)

103 "How odd that an entire generation, in psychologically and financially
suspended animation, is seen as useful by the very politicos who created
this labyrinth of exploitation in the first place."

as Pup said ... it's not odd, that was the intent. The question is not whether BigU should be on the hook for selling a flawed (subsidized) product, but HOW to force them onto that hook. The easy money has to be taken from them, but that is part of the problem ... so much easy money ... and BigMoney running DC (via DeepState, which has even bigger plans for global control).

"We" have long known these things, the question is whether we can use the internet to break the NY/DC Cartel stranglehold on info flow, and culture, and banking and ... every damn institution where the commies methodically marched through. Bill Ayers learned bombing was not the answer, getting paid to brainwash the youth was far better.


We tore down that Berlin Wall, but the walls of academia and the rest are still standing (as with the other compromised institutions). we need the Great Awakening to what happened TO us in the 60s and beyond.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 07, 2019 11:53 AM (Cus5s)

104 Damn - this version is cookin'!

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 11:54 AM (J8GSw)

105 All the cassettes, except I think two of them, got pitched.

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Gah!
Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 11:47 AM (J8GSw)


Threw away a bunch of VHS tapes too.

I'm sure some people think that's a sin too.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 11:54 AM (cY3LT)

106 I still have an old childhood record of Liszt's "Les Preludes" that has a scratch, and I miss that bump bump when I hear the piece on the radio. When I play it in my head it has that *hiss pop*.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 11:49 AM (kQs4Y)


This is exactly what I mean. It's part of it now, in your memory.

I don't even know what "compression artifact" means.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 11:50 AM (cY3LT)


Encode a song with some crisp sounds (like cymbals) to a low bitrate, 128k or 96kbps. Focus on those sounds as you switch from the cramped encoding to the higher bitrate one. Or don't, if you don't want to hear it. You might not be able to un-hear it.

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 07, 2019 11:54 AM (t+qrx)

107 On vinyl vs CDs, early CDs were poorly mastered and a lot of those stereotypes were true. They sounded tinny, etc.

Vinyl records got a bad wrap because on analog equipment like that, quality really matters. A cheap CD player sounds great, a cheap record player doesn't. If the needle/cartridge isn't up to spec, Also, people rarely cleaned vinyl.

On a high end set up, vinyl does sound more natural, like the music is being performed in front of you. But its not really worth all of that.

I can definitely tell compression on many Mp3 recordings. There's online tests you can do and see for yourself, I just remember my pirated music from that era sounds like garbage.

Posted by: Blago at September 07, 2019 11:55 AM (sjTfF)

108 Robin Trower is the bombe. Fantastic body of work.

Posted by: NOS4A2 at September 07, 2019 11:55 AM (WWS2B)

109 Speaking of, I bought one of these for the camper recently:

Retekess V115 Portable AM FM Radio with Shortwave Radio MP3 Player Digital Record Support Micro SD TF Card Sleep Timer and Rechargeable Battery

Amazon.com/dp/B01ARN28SQ

Holy cow what a great little radio. Excellent reception, and a memory card slot, too. I haven't messed with it or the Shortwave, but I'm probably giving these as Christmas presents this year.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is a Proud Black Woman - my word as a Biden at September 07, 2019 11:55 AM (fsa/N)

110 ndebted students, many with largely worthless degrees, and few
employment opportunities sufficient to repay their loans, have become a
loyal progressive constituency.

Which was, of course, the intent.
Posted by: pep at September 07, 2019 11:34 AM (T6t7i)



I just rolled my eyes when Oblabla in the first year of his Preezyship -

actually encouraged young people just entering college to take those stupid worthless "study" courses, which only make you a Perpetually Historically Angry Victim of the You Never Experienced At Al and Never Will Experience, Bit Hey! At least you're Also an Angry, Unemployable Marxist.

And encouraged them to become "community organizers" cuz in time it will pay off. Like it did "For me."

I laughed at the idea that people would go to college and spend that kind of money for literally nothing.

And figured..well, no one's stupid enough to fall for this scam.

Man, was I wrong.

I constantly overestimate the general intelligence of people when it comes to politics.

I mean, who who at all with an IQ above 89 could fall for the Dims promises and policies?


A lot of people, Bucky. A lot.



By the way, it was just evil to encourage young men and women to waste their lives that way.

Sad.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 07, 2019 11:55 AM (mIQCW)

111 >>Great stuff. The CD is packed away in a box already, this is the mp3 I ripped. I don't know what I'm missing.


Perhaps your ears are colorblind?

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 11:56 AM (J8GSw)

112 About the universities and their professors . A close friend came through Seven Sister under grad did her doctorate at Hopkins and in the early 80's and was a tenured prof at UC Santa Cruz. Coming out of her divorce and looking around at the available at UC Santa Cruz.(Of the type she was attractive and had something of a personality.) And she's ,as I said, looking around at the male faculty at Santa Cruz and there ain't nuthin' so she's complaining. To which , I said , silently , "Yeah well you hired them" Losers all of them, every one . But you hired them .

Posted by: jaytrain at September 07, 2019 11:56 AM (kTU8y)

113 This is about minority-preference admissions. I'm stating these things as facts, fwiw:

I went off to college in 1965. Neither I, nor many of my closest professional friends, would stand a chance TODAY of being admitted to our alma maters. Neither can our children, who have BETTER grades & SAT scores than we did. If we, or our kids, were minorities,* however, we could get into these same schools today in a nanosecond.

*(other than Asian minority applicants, who are in the same bind as Caucasians)

Posted by: mnw at September 07, 2019 11:56 AM (Cssks)

114 MP3s vary a lot, some are crushed, some have great fidelity. The key is the size: the bigger the file, the higher the quality.

And yeah, Robin Trower was amazing

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 07, 2019 11:57 AM (KZzsI)

115 Garrett, amazing.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 11:57 AM (PUmDY)

116 Threw away a bunch of VHS tapes too.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 11:54 AM


But you kept the Betamax ones, right?

Posted by: Sony at September 07, 2019 11:57 AM (kTze9)

117
42 We have records by the hundreds here but we don't listen to them except to burn to CD because the quality is so poor. I know there are those who claim its "warmer" and better and all that but... its not. I lived through the transition and it was like putting a good pair of glasses on, suddenly the sound was fuller and cleaner and more pure.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 07, 2019 11:37 AM (KZzsI)


Agree 100%. And I had high-end analog audio equipment. No comparison.

Posted by: Sooner at September 07, 2019 11:57 AM (Fs5vw)

118 VDH's article is excellent; I do believe he has overlooked one factor which had a huge effect on the jobs situation, and which gave everyone a strong financial incentive to pursue the course taken.

Griggs vs Duke Power Co., Supreme Court, 1973

In that ruling, the Supreme Court threw out almost all methods that corporations could use to qualify workers for hiring - except for educational level. So, after 1973, the *only* way a corporation could guarantee that they were getting someone who could read and write coherently (well back then, at least) and who had the background and dedication to stick to something for 4 years was to insist on only hiring College Graduates.

This is the important part - as soon as that shift happend, then out in the marketplace, out in the Real World, that is ALL that a College Degree was worth anymore. It became a pedigree, a certificate allowing you to be employed at a responsible level. And once the market decided that was all that counted, of course the entire system was going to be geared towards passing out certificates and pedigrees with as little trouble as possible. And *everyone* is going to be agitating for them to be passed out as easily as possible, because now our government has demanded that you have that certificate if you want a chance at living anything close to a middle class lifestyle.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 07, 2019 11:58 AM (trdmm)

119 >>I haven't messed with it or the Shortwave, but I'm probably giving these as Christmas presents this year.

Thanks. But I didn't get you anything.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 07, 2019 11:59 AM (ZLI7S)

120 I still have an old childhood record of Liszt's "Les Preludes" that has a scratch, and I miss that bump bump when I hear the piece on the radio. When I play it in my head it has that *hiss pop*.

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SNAKE!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 07, 2019 11:59 AM (+y/Ru)

121 Threw away a bunch of VHS tapes too.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 11:54 AM



But you kept the Betamax ones, right?



Posted by: Sony at September 07, 2019 11:57 AM

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No he kept the laser disks......

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 07, 2019 12:00 PM (JUOKG)

122 How long do you all listen to music?

because, if it is less than an hour at a time I can understand your misconceptions about Digital v Analog.


Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 12:00 PM (J8GSw)

123 To which , I said , silently , "Yeah well you hired them" Losers all of them, every one . But you hired them .
Posted by: jaytrain at September 07, 2019 11:56 AM (kTU8y)

Sorry, but you should have actually TOLD her that.

The Left lives in a bubble of unreality, where they have no real effect on what goes on around them.

We created a society where they are, by and large, safe from the consequences of their own actions.

Posted by: Don Q at September 07, 2019 12:00 PM (NgKpN)

124 only way to bail out students to to make the college's give them their money back. if the government does it, it will be a moral hazard beyond belief. It is the tightest labor market ever. If a degree doesn't pay off, it is not the degree, it is you. If you thought you could win showing a degree and not yourself, then what the hell? And I agree, any degree that ends with "stud\ies" is a joke. The only worse choice you can make is Journalism.

Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 12:00 PM (n13/j)

125 Threw away a bunch of VHS tapes too.

I'm sure some people think that's a sin too.
Posted by: BurtTC

____________

I'm amazed we lived through that era for so long and hardly anyone complained.

I guess when the average TV was like 25", it was hard to really tell. If you watch a VHS on a big screen, it's basically unwatchable.

I bought a laserdisc player just for kicks during the DVD era. Definitely way better than VHS, but still fell short of DVD.

I now think most DVDs look like garbage compared to high def.

Posted by: Blago at September 07, 2019 12:01 PM (sjTfF)

126 >>>Now that people are running around with crappy earbuds on digital devices, the music is 70% bass thuds and repeated mindless lyrics because its about the beat and really nothing else.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 07, 2019 11:40 AM (KZzsI)
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Year 2000 quality computer w/good sound card-
Where are the adjustments? Where is the graphic equalizer?

Today, movies with dialogue, have so much deep background undertones and clutter it is difficult to understand the words.

Sound engineering makes no attempt to reproduce real world effects.

Posted by: Billy Cole at September 07, 2019 12:01 PM (Sh6Rm)

127 I have mix tapes that I listened to so much that when certain songs play on the radio or in a mix site like Pandora I expect the next song on the mix to immediately follow.

I got really good at those suckers. We had a little mixer and three sources (CD players and a turntable) that I'd use to blend songs together. We had several "novelty" albums that had bits from advertisements, popular TV shows, etc and I'd mix that stuff in the middle between songs.

I mean, do kids even send a mix tape to a girl they like to seduce her any more? What do they do send a playlist and hope she uses it??

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 07, 2019 12:01 PM (KZzsI)

128 121 Threw away a bunch of VHS tapes too.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 11:54 AM



But you kept the Betamax ones, right?



Posted by: Sony at September 07, 2019 11:57 AM

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No he kept the laser disks......
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 07, 2019 12:00 PM (JUOKG)

I would have kept my 8 tracks but now its impossible to find the necessary match book to prop up the corner so it aligns right.

Posted by: Don Q at September 07, 2019 12:02 PM (NgKpN)

129 Meh.

Vinyl is just another status indicator.

Fine if you want to spend the money, bu-u-u-u-ut,

somewhere between the ages of 40-50 you lost the ability to tell the difference cuz you lose the high highs and low lows.

The science is settled.

If you've trained yourself to hear differences on familiar recordings you own, eh fine.

But, if you suddenly were challenged with say twenty 20 second clips from the middle of various random musical pieces,

you're highly unlikely to do any better than flipping a coin.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 07, 2019 12:02 PM (mIQCW)

130 Per BLS

Median weekly income for those with a bachelors: $1173

Median weekly income for those with a HS Diploma: $712

Over a 40 year career that's a difference of around $1M. And it's really more than that since it's compounded. But say $1M difference to keep it simple. So even if the degree costs $100K or $200K, it's still a great return on investment.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 07, 2019 12:02 PM (FiUMj)

131 Encode a song with some crisp sounds (like cymbals) to a low bitrate, 128k or 96kbps. Focus on those sounds as you switch from the cramped encoding to the higher bitrate one. Or don't, if you don't want to hear it. You might not be able to un-hear it.
Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 07, 2019 11:54 AM (t+qrx)


It's like when people tell me how a particular wine has all these "notes" they can taste. They'll throw all sorts of words out there that don't equate to my experience at all.

And in the end, if I'm thirsty, I'll drink water. If I want to get drunk, I'll drink some rotgut with a high alcohol content.

Yes, I'm a philistine. And don't really care.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 12:03 PM (cY3LT)

132 I think I've figured out their problem. They were thinking progress when they should've been thinking truth.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 07, 2019 12:03 PM (+y/Ru)

133 >>The science is settled.


OK Global Warmer.

I love these people. Really.

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 12:04 PM (J8GSw)

134 Neither I, nor many of my closest professional friends, would stand a chance TODAY of being admitted to our alma maters.

I went to the equivalent of a community college to get my shitty little EET degree. Yet I can't tell you how many grads from Penn State, Purdue, Georgia Tech - shit, name the school - I've worked with that are just shockingly mind-numbingly stupid. They can't do a fucking thing - except point to their degree.

This covers multiple generations. This does not apply only to the Millenials.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby's Father at September 07, 2019 12:04 PM (q1jj9)

135 Today, movies with dialogue, have so much deep background undertones and clutter it is difficult to understand the words.

This is such an annoyance. Set design, costuming, digital effects etc have all gotten so good but the sound mixing is atrocious, just horrible. They're so fixated on the sound effects and music being blended in for emotional impact that you can't really hear the dialog half the time.

Oh, and VHS is not great for video but its fantastic for audio. And you can record very, very long mixes on a VHS long play tape. Its reel-to-reel quality audio.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 07, 2019 12:04 PM (KZzsI)

136 There was no "student loan crisis" until the Federal government took over 99.99% of student loans in 2010 and the Fed started handing out $$$ like candy to anyone with a pulse no matter if they could ever repay the loan.
...
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 07, 2019 11:27 AM (JUOKG)

It's what made ACA "revenue neutral", along with the individual mandate penalty tax.

Posted by: Fox2! at September 07, 2019 12:04 PM (+9fL5)

137 Posted by: Emmie at September 07, 2019 11:29 AM (i/wJA)

That oldest battery strategy sounds like a winner, as long as it fits.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 07, 2019 12:04 PM (ijEPD)

138 A Formerly Hallowed University

That's definitely The Quad, but what happened to the colors? An odd-looking filter.

Posted by: t-bird at September 07, 2019 12:04 PM (OiC69)

139 Vinyl is just another status indicator.

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Virtue sounding.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 07, 2019 12:05 PM (+y/Ru)

140 That blessed period between The Pill and AIDS.

Upon our side, we who were strong in love!
Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive,
But to be young was very heaven!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 07, 2019 12:05 PM (yQpMk)

141 I'm eating french toast while watching a video on how to make french toast. It's like having Sensurround!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 12:05 PM (kQs4Y)

142 141 I'm eating french toast while watching a video on how to make french toast. It's like having Sensurround!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 12:05 PM (kQs4Y)
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Lucky!

Posted by: Weasel at September 07, 2019 12:06 PM (MVjcR)

143 Music is great. I recently bought a pair of Marantz Imperial 7's and a Pioneer SX 780 , same shit I had when I left home for State College in 1972. Still digging that sound.

Posted by: Ass Chum at September 07, 2019 12:06 PM (NHSOx)

144 I'm amazed we lived through that era for so long and hardly anyone complained.

I guess when the average TV was like 25", it was hard to really tell. If you watch a VHS on a big screen, it's basically unwatchable.
Posted by: Blago at September 07, 2019 12:01 PM (sjTfF)


Try watching some archive footage of historical events from the recent past - late 1990s, say. It's amazing how terrible the recording from broadcast-quality equipment (SVHS? Betamax?) is compared to a recent silly cat phone video.

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 07, 2019 12:07 PM (t+qrx)

145 What happened to cars in the 70's?

Yeah, I know, the first and second Oil Crises, but I'm thinking in particular of ugg-ularities like the Mustang II.

Posted by: t-bird at September 07, 2019 12:08 PM (Ydn2k)

146 Weasel, this piece was made with apple bread. The next batch is brioche bread. I'll send you one through the intertubes.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 12:08 PM (kQs4Y)

147 The best is buying an old double LP and finding a tiny bit of weed in the crease.

And then check out Jack Bruce with Rory Gallagher playing "Politician" on the 'Tube...

Posted by: klaftern at September 07, 2019 12:08 PM (RuIsu)

148 HD changed a lot. I disagreed with compelling everyone to swap to HD but the images are so much better now than they used to be its shocking.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 07, 2019 12:08 PM (KZzsI)

149 Median weekly income for those with a bachelors: $1173

Median weekly income for those with a HS Diploma: $712

Over a 40 year career that's a difference of around $1M. And it's really more than that since it's compounded. But say $1M difference to keep it simple. So even if the degree costs $100K or $200K, it's still a great return on investment.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker

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If you're going to account for compound interest, $200,000 over 40 years at 7% interest is right around $3 million dollars.

The S&P500 over the last 40 years is closer to 10% per year, which would be over $9 million.

I think degrees are still worthwhile if you have a specific career in mind. But a degree in anthropology is pretty ridiculous.

Posted by: Blago at September 07, 2019 12:08 PM (sjTfF)

150 Fidelity can only be found in your source. No matter the equipment used. If your source is bad, your sound is bad.

People choose formats based on the quality of available source for their chosen genre(s).

IF you could take a modern recording and simultaneously master for each individual format and record...THEN and ONLY THEN could you make a comparison.

This is almost NEVER done. And if it is done, you are gonna pay a premium for the bastard format as the production of it costs a lot more money than just using a common source for ALL formats.

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 12:08 PM (J8GSw)

151 Posted by: naturalfake at September 07, 2019 12:02 PM (mIQCW)

At some point, you get the Syndrome syndrome:

"If everyone is special (has a degree), the nobody is."

And you also have a severe shortage of skilled and well-paying tradespeople. Because a college graduate is above that, you see.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 07, 2019 12:09 PM (ijEPD)

152 146 Weasel, this piece was made with apple bread. The next batch is brioche bread. I'll send you one through the intertubes.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 12:08 PM (kQs4Y)
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Thanks! In the meantime I think I'll have some dry white toast.

Posted by: Weasel at September 07, 2019 12:09 PM (u/o2C)

153 I'm eating french toast while watching a video on how to make french toast. It's like having Sensurround!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 12:05 PM (kQs4Y)


It's like you can taste the french toast!

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 07, 2019 12:09 PM (t+qrx)

154 Threw away a bunch of VHS tapes too.

I'm sure some people think that's a sin too.
Posted by: BurtTC

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I'm amazed we lived through that era for so long and hardly anyone complained.

I guess when the average TV was like 25", it was hard to really tell. If you watch a VHS on a big screen, it's basically unwatchable.

I bought a laserdisc player just for kicks during the DVD era. Definitely way better than VHS, but still fell short of DVD.

I now think most DVDs look like garbage compared to high def.
Posted by: Blago at September 07, 2019 12:01 PM (sjTfF)


Yes.

I have two somewhat large CRT televisions here that no one wants. I can't give them away, and I'm going to have to pay someone to accept them. No one is going to pick them up.

"State of the art" when they were bought. Junk now.

And yeah, DVDs are becoming worthless too. I have tons of them here, and boxed all of them for my imminent move, but could have probably thrown out most of them too.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 12:09 PM (cY3LT)

155 >>Music is great. I recently bought a pair of Marantz Imperial 7's and a Pioneer SX 780 , same shit I had when I left home for State College in 1972. Still digging that sound.


Nice. Did you get the 780 recapped? Those power supply caps on the Pioneers need relacing.

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 12:09 PM (J8GSw)

156 I'm eating french toast while watching a video on how to make french toast. It's like having Sensurround!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage


Even better than Sensurround because you get maple syrup!

Posted by: t-bird at September 07, 2019 12:10 PM (OiC69)

157 Over a 40 year career that's a difference of around
$1M. And it's really more than that since it's compounded. But say $1M
difference to keep it simple. So even if the degree costs $100K or
$200K, it's still a great return on investment.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview



Here's a radical notion. If you're the one getting the benefit of a college degree, you should be the one paying to get it. It's crazy, but it just might work.

Posted by: pep at September 07, 2019 12:10 PM (T6t7i)

158 My 'rents had a console for their record player that had the best sound, especially for the lower register. I wish I still had it, not least for its fabulous Mid Century Mod stylin'.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 12:10 PM (kQs4Y)

159 What happened to cars in the 70's?


Tell me you wouldn't love to tap this saucy ass.

Posted by: The Ford Pinto at September 07, 2019 12:10 PM (q1jj9)

160 140
That blessed period between The Pill and AIDS.


Unless you were, shall we say, less than competent in the whole dating thing. I'm not naming names.

Posted by: pep at September 07, 2019 12:12 PM (T6t7i)

161 HD changed a lot. I disagreed with compelling everyone to swap to HD but the images are so much better now than they used to be its shocking.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 07, 2019 12:08 PM (KZzsI)


True, but I have to disable the image stabilization or drop the framerate or else everything gets that soap opera look.

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 07, 2019 12:13 PM (t+qrx)

162 I have two somewhat large CRT televisions here that no one wants. I can't give them away, and I'm going to have to pay someone to accept them. No one is going to pick them up.


I have one of those.

Posted by: Infidel at September 07, 2019 12:13 PM (BLFnH)

163 145 What happened to cars in the 70's?

Yeah, I know, the first and second Oil Crises, but I'm thinking in particular of ugg-ularities like the Mustang II.
Posted by: t-bird at September 07, 2019 12:08 PM (Ydn2k)

From the mouths of the car companies themselves - all of the Great Designers (Like Harley Earl) and the true Car people left the industry as it finally matured, and the Accountants took over. And they couldn't care less what they made as long as it showed a short term profit; and then Government got involved too, and so you had cars that no longer were created by men who loved automobiles and design, but instead were created by a commission answerable only to the bureacracy and the accountants.

It's really never gotten better since then, which is why the old cars are still the most beautiful of all time.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 07, 2019 12:13 PM (trdmm)

164 If you're going to account for compound interest, $200,000 over 40 years at 7% interest is right around $3 million dollars.

The S&P500 over the last 40 years is closer to 10% per year, which would be over $9 million.

I think degrees are still worthwhile if you have a specific career in mind. But a degree in anthropology is pretty ridiculous.
Posted by: Blago at September 07, 2019 12:08 PM (sjTfF)

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Then do the same for compound interest on the $400/week difference, invested in stocks over 40 years. Comes out to a few million more.

And let's be real, it's not like a high school grad at 19 is investing the money he would have otherwise paid for college. That money is going to beer and fast cars.

The point is even a "useless" degree is useful in the long run vs no degree., in the aggregate. Will some HS only people make more money than some with degrees? Of course. There are always exceptions. But typically, someone with a degree with earn more than someone without a degree, even accounting for the cost of the degree.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 07, 2019 12:13 PM (FiUMj)

165 I have two somewhat large CRT televisions here that no one wants. I can't give them away, and I'm going to have to pay someone to accept them. No one is going to pick them up.

"State of the art" when they were bought. Junk now.

And yeah, DVDs are becoming worthless too. I have tons of them here, and boxed all of them for my imminent move, but could have probably thrown out most of them too.
Posted by: BurtTC
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CRT TVs are now popular with the retro video game crowd. They don't have any lag because they are all analog.

Try positioning it to them in an ad, if they are quality televisions like Sony Trinitrons, someone will come pick it up and may even pay you for it.

Posted by: Blago at September 07, 2019 12:13 PM (sjTfF)

166 DVDs aren't ever worthless until they won't play their movie any longer. They're YOURS as opposed to streaming which can be taken away at any moment and relies on your connection to even see.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 07, 2019 12:14 PM (KZzsI)

167 Today, movies with dialogue, have so much deep background undertones and clutter it is difficult to understand the words.
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This is such an annoyance. Set design, costuming, digital effects etc have all gotten so good but the sound mixing is atrocious, just horrible. They're so fixated on the sound effects and music being blended in for emotional impact that you can't really hear the dialog half the time.

Oh, and VHS is not great for video but its fantastic for audio. And you can record very, very long mixes on a VHS long play tape. Its reel-to-reel quality audio.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 07, 2019 12:04 PM (KZzsI)


Well, since we're going to make this Screed Saturday, it's such a combination of things, but to a large extent, the problem is, they don't really make movies for you anymore.

You aren't the generation, and to a large extent, you aren't the country. The Chinese and the Millennials.

They don't care about your dialogue or your sound quality.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 12:14 PM (cY3LT)

168 OK Global Warmer.

I love these people. Really.
Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 12:04 PM (J8GSw)



Well, in this case. You're in the Global Warmer role.

You deny the real scientific method derived info/data cuz you want to believe something else.

Of course, most biological traits hew to a bell curve, so you could be that one in ten million guy at the far far end of the bell curve, whose hearing hasn't changed one iota since you were a wee babe.

It's possible. Just not probable.

So, keep the dream alive, man. Keep that dream alive.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 07, 2019 12:14 PM (mIQCW)

169 I have two somewhat large CRT televisions here that no one wants. I can't give them away, and I'm going to have to pay someone to accept them. No one is going to pick them up.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 12:09 PM (cY3LT)


Shoot them, for science.

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 07, 2019 12:14 PM (t+qrx)

170 Here's a radical notion. If you're the one getting the benefit of a college degree, you should be the one paying to get it. It's crazy, but it just might work.
Posted by: pep at September 07, 2019 12:10 PM (T6t7i)

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I agree with that. But that's a different discussion than whether a degree is beneficial or not.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 07, 2019 12:15 PM (FiUMj)

171 Yes.



I have two somewhat large CRT televisions here that no one wants. I
can't give them away, and I'm going to have to pay someone to accept
them. No one is going to pick them up.



"State of the art" when they were bought. Junk now.



And yeah, DVDs are becoming worthless too. I have tons of them
here, and boxed all of them for my imminent move, but could have
probably thrown out most of them too.


Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 12:09 PM

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When we lived in CT I tried to get rid of one of those TV's and an old CRT computer monitor. Turned out you can't just pitch them in the trash there you have to take them to a place that recycles that stuff and pay them money to drop them off. Not sure if that still is in place though as this was about 10-12 years ago.


Luckily our Town had a "free" electronics recycle day and I took them there.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 07, 2019 12:15 PM (JUOKG)

172 The point is even a "useless" degree is useful in the long run vs no degree., in the aggregate. Will some HS only people make more money than some with degrees? Of course. There are always exceptions. But typically, someone with a degree with earn more than someone without a degree, even accounting for the cost of the degree.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker

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Completely disagree.

If college were "free" I could see that case being made, but a $200k debt for a useless degree that they don't use, those people are not better off.

Posted by: Blago at September 07, 2019 12:15 PM (sjTfF)

173 My brother bought a component television back in the 80s, it had this amazing video and audio system and a big screen (for them) with this great image (For then). Cost him nearly a thousand dollars, for a freaking TV. But it was really good.

Crap now. Terrible visuals, small screen. Sound would still be good but the surround systems are so good today there's no comparison there, either.

That's the only place we're advancing in tech these days: entertainment. That's where all the innovations are coming in. Nobody is inventing anything else, we're not gonna get flying cars or pills to make us skinny, but we'll be really entertained.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 07, 2019 12:16 PM (KZzsI)

174 Morning all. So problem. We get TV over the airwaves. I bought what i thought is a good antennae (roof) and stuck it up in the pole that last owners had a dish on. Back of house. Aimed it at the transmitting antennae I found for my area. We get reception sporadically and stations are there one week, gone they next. What can I do? Raise it higher? Different antennae? No Im not getting cable.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 07, 2019 12:16 PM (Zv1X1)

175 I have two somewhat large CRT televisions here that no one wants. I can't give them away, and I'm going to have to pay someone to accept them. No one is going to pick them up.

"State of the art" when they were bought. Junk now.

And yeah, DVDs are becoming worthless too. I have tons of them here, and boxed all of them for my imminent move, but could have probably thrown out most of them too.
Posted by: BurtTC
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CRT TVs are now popular with the retro video game crowd. They don't have any lag because they are all analog.

Try positioning it to them in an ad, if they are quality televisions like Sony Trinitrons, someone will come pick it up and may even pay you for it.
Posted by: Blago at September 07, 2019 12:13 PM (sjTfF)

Oh, I doubt these are high enough quality for the snooty snots.

One's a Toshiba, but I'm sure someone will tell me what a piece of shite it was at the time, and what a fool I was for buying it.

Anyway, I have neither the time nor the inclination to find homes for them. I'm wasting Saturday morning here on the ol' AoSHQ, but otherwise all my time is devoted to moving.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 12:17 PM (cY3LT)

176 I think degrees are still worthwhile if you have a specific career in mind. But a degree in anthropology is pretty ridiculous.

Posted by: Blago at September 07, 2019 12:08 PM (sjTfF)

depends on your plans. The key is having a spefic career in mind. But also, some degrees and schools are simply better than others. There is nothing wrong with liberal arts if you have plan and are and achiever. Do you realize how many CEOs have history degrees? Most don't have CEO degrees.

I have no issue with college though from media, it seems like a different plaee than what I encountered. It might be the kids themselves as I went head to head with more than a few liberal profs and turned out alright.

In this specific day and age. I would let a kid think long and hard about choosing a rando college vs learning a skill we know will pay off. one can learn a skill like high end auto mechanics and then add a university degree. Better yet, go into the military learn a valuable skill, and get them to pay for it all. Too bad most look down on military service and will not even consider it. No wonder they are all in debt and want the gov to wipe it clean.

Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 12:17 PM (n13/j)

177 >>Well, in this case. You're in the Global Warmer role.

You deny the real scientific method derived info/data cuz you want to believe something else.


Again. It is the Source.

The best mastering of any individual album will give you the best sound.

Generally, you will find this slaved to when something was made / recorded.

However, nowadays there are Analog Masters, pressed exclusively on vinyl that trounce their available digital domain counterparts.

The same way some music recorded in the late 80s and early 90s is best reproduced on digital formatting.

But - yeah. Me and the entire industry are wrong.

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 12:17 PM (J8GSw)

178 OK I know the Motors, I just didn't know that's who it was. Airport is a really familiar song. It sounds so New Wave I thought that was an 80s song

https://youtu.be/UdENNSA_ZwU

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 07, 2019 12:18 PM (KZzsI)

179 In this specific day and age. I would let a kid
think long and hard about choosing a rando college vs learning a skill
we know will pay off. one can learn a skill like high end auto mechanics
and then add a university degree. Better yet, go into the military
learn a valuable skill, and get them to pay for it all. Too bad most
look down on military service and will not even consider it. No wonder
they are all in debt and want the gov to wipe it clean.





Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 12:17 PM

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Yep the Navy has some of the best technical schools in the World.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 07, 2019 12:19 PM (JUOKG)

180 Vinyl gets the nuisances of scratches but CDs of the old stuff is really quite incomplete, with fading out or literally omitting some audio altogether. Guitarist Justin Hayward recently said how disgusted he was with the studio heads' CD omission practice that he is currently working in a sound studio in Italy to correct that for all newly released MB CDs. Money maker maybe, but kinda doubtful that the cost will be recovered in new sales, but why Italy? Dunno, but the Lake Cuomo area is after all, a very beautiful area to work.

Posted by: NOS4A2 at September 07, 2019 12:20 PM (WWS2B)

181 Posted by: Emmie at September 07, 2019 11:29 AM (i/wJA)


If the battery is designed to take water its malfunctioning could definitely be low water.

If it is not designed to be refilled your battery swap is a good idea.

Posted by: Billy Cole at September 07, 2019 12:20 PM (Sh6Rm)

182 If college were "free" I could see that case being made, but a $200k debt for a useless degree that they don't use, those people are not better off.
Posted by: Blago at September 07, 2019 12:15 PM (sjTfF)

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Depends how you define "use". I assume you mean a degree in history is "useless" if you don't become a historian, or something along those lines. But that history degree gets you an entry level marketing job.

My degree has zero to do with how I make my living. My sister has a degree in physiology, but works in investment banking. Most of my friends are in a similar poisution, they got a "useless" degree but used that degree as a stepping stone to a great career.

When I was recruited out of college, the degree didn't matter. What mattered was grades and experience, either from internships or summer jobs. But 100% of the recruiters I spoke to would never have given me the time of day had I not been in college.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 07, 2019 12:20 PM (FiUMj)

183 Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 12:09 PM

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When we lived in CT I tried to get rid of one of those TV's and an old CRT computer monitor. Turned out you can't just pitch them in the trash there you have to take them to a place that recycles that stuff and pay them money to drop them off. Not sure if that still is in place though as this was about 10-12 years ago.

Luckily our Town had a "free" electronics recycle day and I took them there.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 07, 2019 12:15 PM (JUOKG)

Yes, that's where things are now. Used to be you could find a charity that would take them. Now all of them will tell you they'll take virtually anything, as long as it's still functional... except CRT televisions.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 12:20 PM (cY3LT)

184 An academic alternative to the Borg - Wyoming Catholic College
LINK: https://preview.tinyurl.com/y2yx3qbq
Never been there and I don't know anyone associated with WCC, but it looks like ... heaven.

Posted by: mrp at September 07, 2019 12:21 PM (Pqytn)

185 Yikes, just looked it up. .42 per lb to get rid of the damn tv.

Posted by: Infidel at September 07, 2019 12:21 PM (BLFnH)

186 There are a few very isolated, scattered colleges that are good still (Hillsdale, for example) but they are rare and the problem is, limited in space. If you want your kid into one of these, you're up against every other sane parent trying to help their kid out and good luck competing with 2348930515 other students.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 07, 2019 12:22 PM (KZzsI)

187 Oh, I doubt these are high enough quality for the snooty snots.

One's a Toshiba, but I'm sure someone will tell me what a piece of shite it was at the time, and what a fool I was for buying it.

Anyway, I have neither the time nor the inclination to find homes for them. I'm wasting Saturday morning here on the ol' AoSHQ, but otherwise all my time is devoted to moving.
Posted by: BurtTC

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Just run a free ad on Craigslist and put "retro gaming" in the title. Easier than taking it to the dump.

Posted by: Blago at September 07, 2019 12:22 PM (sjTfF)

188 Yikes, just looked it up. .42 per lb to get rid of the damn tv.
Posted by: Infidel at September 07, 2019 12:21 PM (BLFnH)


https://preview.tinyurl.com/y5q7hoou

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 07, 2019 12:22 PM (t+qrx)

189 And if conservatives are not wiling to go into the schools and teach, we will always be behind the eight ball..
Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 11:53 AM (n13/j)


They are in the schools, but must be extremely skillful about how they present views or they could be fired.

Posted by: Emmie at September 07, 2019 12:23 PM (i/wJA)

190 From the last thread:

The New Orleans Saints were a child of political corruption.

New Orleans had wanted a team for a long time, and Pete Rozelle was adamant it would never happen. Ever.

When the NFL/AFL merger happened, it required a Congressional thumbs-up for the new league to retain its tax-exempt status (this is where we got 501(c)6).

The chair of the Senate Finance Committee was Russell Long (D-LA), and he refused to play ball, unless New Orleans could play ball.

And so it happened.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 07, 2019 12:23 PM (5aX2M)

191 The question keeps floating out there, "what will people do when so many jobs are lost to automation?"


imo, we need to get people out of the big cities, where they are boxed and controlled and warehoused ... reinvigorate the small estate, small homestead. Kids now leave the rural areas because there is "so much to do" in the big city. While that can be true, much of that culture is a fake leftist wasteland, full of noise and pollution ... and RATS. (not to mention illegals and poop)


With digital reaching rural areas at high speed (I have 1000 bps for $90/mo) ... there is nearly unlimited culture and learning available, and isolation is not such a big deal. Larger live social events are still only 20 minutes from me, but when I lived right in New Orleans, downtown took that in slow times, triple it for rush hour. Then there was the concern of theft, crime, parking -- and everything cost more.


But back to the "what will people do?" ... if more people had a grand property, there would be more labor to be hired for various services, and all those people could have a better life than being in a $300k house on a 1/8th acre lot, with high taxes in a cookie cutter suburb, near a leftist run, failing BigCity. Rural economies would come to life, other production could return from China, MAGA.


Or at least that might be a better way to build out a self reliant America -- better than having MegaCorps and oligarchs start buying up the countryside, and bringing in Mexican labor as serfs. (see California). A couple that come here to hunt from Houma, LA are leaving that area ... big crime has moved in, after Katrina.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 07, 2019 12:24 PM (Cus5s)

192 Yikes, just looked it up. .42 per lb to get rid of the damn tv.
Posted by: Infidel at September 07, 2019 12:21 PM (BLFnH)


tinyurl.com/y5q7hoou
(corrected)

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 07, 2019 12:24 PM (t+qrx)

193 Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 07, 2019 12:16 PM (Zv1X1)
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By no means an expert here Bob, and this might be redundant, but are you sure the antenna wire is good? They get very small cuts and frays that age very poorly. Just a thought.

Posted by: NOS4A2 at September 07, 2019 12:24 PM (WWS2B)

194 Yep the Navy has some of the best technical schools in the World.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 07, 2019 12:19 PM (JUOKG)

They used to. Ever since the "Revolution in Training" (read, downsizing) in the early aughts, the quality and quantity of instruction has fallen off a cliff. What took me 8 months to learn in 1988 now is awarded in 12 weeks or less.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 07, 2019 12:24 PM (ijEPD)

195 There are a lot of very, very functional university systems to poach ideas from overseas.

But the left doesn't want functional university systems, they want breeding grounds to incubate waves of red guards, and Ivy League credential factories for the chosen ones.

Much more destructive than the simple moonbattery that came out of the late 60's and early 70's - whose knock-on effects we're still dealing with in the form of tenured faculty from that generation - was the massive lowering of standards so "everyone could go to college".

Bullshit. Most people have no business going to college. But our nation has almost no functional pipeline for vocational and trades training, and desperately needs one.

I'm a professional; I have an advanced degree and work in an office full of various specializations, many of which you might count 300-400 or so practitioners in the entire world. I have relatives that work in .gov aerospace that have spit out their drinks when I told them our budget numbers. And yet, virtually every up and coming member of the office falls under one description:

- Under 30- No degree- Just bought their first home and new car

Their same-age peers with degrees are doing temporary grunt work as contractors, stuffed in a back room, for a fraction of the pay and are basically fucked.

Degrees are increasingly worthless for most fields because the colleges are worthless. 4, 5, 6+ years wasted not doing anything productive, not learning anything other than how to be insufferable and entitled, getting a late start on saving money and building a mountain of debt. They come out of school competing with people that self-taught while working crap jobs and then talked their way into real work by pointing to real results.

We need to stop dumbing down higher ed to please well meaning dolts that want "everyone to go to college". We also need to stop dumbing it down in order to dish out vanity degrees to privileged little shits.

Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at September 07, 2019 12:24 PM (67XdO)

196 >>The question keeps floating out there, "what will people do when so many jobs are lost to automation?"


Learn a trade. Problem solved.

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 12:24 PM (J8GSw)

197 If the battery is designed to take water its malfunctioning could definitely be low water.

If it is not designed to be refilled your battery swap is a good idea.
Posted by: Billy Cole at September 07, 2019 12:20 PM (Sh6Rm)


Yes, it is refillable. No-maintenance batteries do not have the ports on top.

Posted by: Emmie at September 07, 2019 12:25 PM (i/wJA)

198 Completely disagree.

If college were "free" I could see that case being made, but a $200k debt for a useless degree that they don't use, those people are not better off.
Posted by: Blago at September 07, 2019 12:15 PM (sjTfF)


Comparing salaries of kollej grads vs. high school grads is particularly silly, roughly on part with the argument about the so-called wage gap for the gals.

There's a sampling error with these comparisons. Apples v. oranges, so to speak.

If however, you could take the average kollej grad and compare him/her/it to someone of comparable intelligence, who goes into a trade instead of college, I think you'd find the benefits of not going to college greatly outpaces wasting four years paying for a useless, yes useless, degree.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 12:26 PM (cY3LT)

199 190, why was Rozelle so against it?

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 12:26 PM (PUmDY)

200 Even at a commercial tech school where I took night classes in electronics (surely one of the "safer" topics) one of my instructors felt compelled to bring up the evil war pig Bush, and dissed the military as an occupying force in Hawaii.

They cannot help themselves. They have to share.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 12:26 PM (kQs4Y)

201 Depends how you define "use". I assume you mean a degree in history is "useless" if you don't become a historian, or something along those lines. But that history degree gets you an entry level marketing job.

My degree has zero to do with how I make my living. My sister has a degree in physiology, but works in investment banking. Most of my friends are in a similar poisution, they got a "useless" degree but used that degree as a stepping stone to a great career.

When I was recruited out of college, the degree didn't matter. What mattered was grades and experience, either from internships or summer jobs. But 100% of the recruiters I spoke to would never have given me the time of day had I not been in college.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker

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A friend I went to college with got his degree and is now a bartender. 20 years later.

That's what I'm referring to.

Had he spent $200k to get into debt, would have been a crippling financial decision.

Of course a degree opens more doors, but the idea that it's "always" a good financial decision for everyone is absurd.

Posted by: Blago at September 07, 2019 12:27 PM (sjTfF)

202 >>Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 12:26 PM (cY3LT)


This.

A 4 Year headstart on career puts you above the avg incomes quoted.

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 12:27 PM (J8GSw)

203 By no means an expert here Bob, and this might be redundant, but are you sure the antenna wire is good? They get very small cuts and frays that age very poorly. Just a thought.

Posted by: NOS4A2 at September 07, 2019 12:24 PM (WWS2B)

Thanks much. When I can get my ass up on the ladder I'll raise the antennae because its in the back of the house and retire it. Channels 5 and 15 we used to get clearance as a bell are gone completely. Weird. 15 has old showsI like. Fuckity.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 07, 2019 12:28 PM (Zv1X1)

204 I have a bunch of advanced degree family members. Almost to a person they believe that at least a third, or maybe more, of all colleges existing today won't be around in 10 years.

A lot of them were built on the lie that "everyone should go to college". A lot of students were then pushed into the pipeline who either were not really college material or had no desire to do it, other than parents who bought into the lie.

Combine that with the huge amount of debts some students were saddled with and you have a growing number of people who don't buy the college value proposition.

There are a lot of jobs in the trade around here that went unfilled because they created this allusion that college was the way to go. Meanwhile those trade jobs paid better and had better benefits than the jobs most kids had coming out of college. Combine that with a growing number of tech jobs that only require some technical training and I see the college educated population dropping.

There will always be a place for college education. Only not with about 70% of today's curriculum and liberal brainwashing.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 07, 2019 12:28 PM (8ts9m)

205 #184 Tinyurl didn't work, but wyomingcatholic.edu does.

Posted by: mrp at September 07, 2019 12:29 PM (Pqytn)

206 Infidel : I have an big ol' telly cluttering my garage too. Since Jan.2012. Guess it's there forever.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 07, 2019 12:29 PM (ZBBkS)

207 If however, you could take the average kollej grad and compare him/her/it to someone of comparable intelligence, who goes into a trade instead of college, I think you'd find the benefits of not going to college greatly outpaces wasting four years paying for a useless, yes useless, degree.
Posted by: BurtTC

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Exactly

I bet my plumber makes over six figures. Not work I'd want to do, but the idea he would have been better off with some useless degree so he could work in a cubicle and make $50k a year and pay off a student loan for 20 years is just not the math the media wants anyone to do.

Because they are all part of the same tribe.

Posted by: Blago at September 07, 2019 12:30 PM (sjTfF)

208 Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 07, 2019 12:24 PM (t+qrx)

Heh. That would get me in a world of trouble. I'm trying to lose that nickname.

Posted by: Infidel at September 07, 2019 12:30 PM (BLFnH)

209 Turn those old t.v.s into aquariums or terrariums.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 12:30 PM (kQs4Y)

210 It's often a much smarter investment for a high school graduate to buy a $10K used car and put the other $20K that was going to be wasted on a cool ride into an aggressive time-based mutual fund, and get to work in a good trade after attending a community college.

$20K at 8% with no other funds added = $938K after 50 years.

Posted by: Moron Robbie- Criminal acts are not loopholes at September 07, 2019 12:31 PM (kRCmK)

211 When I was recruited out of college, the degree
didn't matter. What mattered was grades and experience, either from
internships or summer jobs. But 100% of the recruiters I spoke to would
never have given me the time of day had I not been in college.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 07, 2019 12:20 PM (FiUMj)

that is good advice there. The internships are the key. I recall something like 80 percent plus of college interns were offered jobs upon graduation. I agree the degree concern can go too far. Fine, if you want to be an engineer go for it. If you are pre med, go for that too. But if you think a marketing degree beats English, you will find out your are wrong about that. It is the person and what they do, not the degree major.

Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 12:31 PM (n13/j)

212 They cannot help themselves. They have to share.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 12:26 PM (kQs4Y)

This. They just can't shut the fuck up in any situation. "Hi I'm Jim, Trump is a nazi".

Want to ruin a party, give a leftie a drink.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 07, 2019 12:31 PM (Zv1X1)

213 Time to bust a move. I'm getting a very late start to the day.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 12:31 PM (kQs4Y)

214 Turn those old t.v.s into aquariums or terrariums.

I could fit Paul Krugman in mine.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 07, 2019 12:31 PM (ZBBkS)

215 Posted by: NOS4A2 at September 07, 2019 12:24 PM (WWS2B)

Bless you NOS4A2 for answering Bob. I was tiring of him complaining that no one answers his question, no one cares that he has antenna issues. He's quiet now. Thank you!!!

Posted by: Heidi at September 07, 2019 12:32 PM (Zv1X1)

216 190, why was Rozelle so against it?
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 12:26 PM (PUmDY)

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He didn't think an NFL franchise could thrive/survive in LA. Even Lamar Hunt was skeptical. Basically, they decided the gamble was worth the risk, for the 501(c)6 exemption.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 07, 2019 12:32 PM (5aX2M)

217 We also need to stop dumbing it down in order to dish out vanity degrees to privileged little shits.
Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at September 07, 2019 12:24 PM (67XdO)


Yep, read the whole thing and agree. Clipped it here for space, but recommend the comment to the skimmers.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 12:32 PM (cY3LT)

218 The point is even a "useless" degree is useful in the long run vs no degree., in the aggregate. Will some HS only people make more money than some with degrees? Of course. There are always exceptions. But typically, someone with a degree with earn more than someone without a degree, even accounting for the cost of the degree.


But is that causal or correlative?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 07, 2019 12:32 PM (yQpMk)

219 I'm sending two of my kids to college right now, but they are both in fields (Nursing and Computer Engineering) that benefit from or require the credential. One is going on my GI Bill and the other got so much scholarship money from the school that it's *almost* free. Neither one will graduate with college debt.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 07, 2019 12:32 PM (ijEPD)

220 My hvac guy makes bank, I bet.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 12:33 PM (PUmDY)

221 Rewire it. Duh.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 07, 2019 12:33 PM (Zv1X1)

222 Many of my family members with advanced degrees have them in history. Ditto a lot of the kids we've hired. History has zero to do with the kids job, but they tend to be some of the most prolific and innovative thinkers. Ditto my family members who work in education. They would beat just about anyone in argumentation. Overall those folks seem to be more well rounded.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 07, 2019 12:33 PM (8ts9m)

223 Of course a degree opens more doors, but the idea that it's "always" a good financial decision for everyone is absurd.

And in the '70's, a much smaller fraction of the population had gone to college. Even with an anthropology degree, you still stood out from run of the mill job applicants.

Now, with much higher numbers of college graduates (and getting an inferior education to the '70's), if you have an esoteric degree, you are in trouble.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 07, 2019 12:33 PM (I2/tG)

224 The chair of the Senate Finance Committee was Russell Long (D-LA), and he refused to play ball, unless New Orleans could play ball.

And so it happened.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 07, 2019 12:23 PM (5aX2M)

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And then Long got $100K donated to his next campaign by the new team's owners? Just spitballing.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 07, 2019 12:33 PM (FiUMj)

225 bth, daughter and I could barely get this thing to the floor when the carpet was replaced. Imma have to have a couple guys move it to the garage.

Posted by: Infidel at September 07, 2019 12:34 PM (BLFnH)

226 Greed and the lust for power.

Kolleges have become a waste of time and money for most except those who are parasitical off of the scam.

But at least there is still futbol.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 07, 2019 12:34 PM (Z+IKu)

227
It's often a much smarter investment for a high school graduate to buy a
$10K used car and put the other $20K that was going to be wasted on a
cool ride into an aggressive time-based mutual fund, and get to work in a
good trade after attending a community college.



$20K at 8% with no other funds added = $938K after 50 years.

Posted by: Moron Robbie- Criminal acts are not loopholes at September 07, 2019 12:31 PM (kRCmK)

give them the money you would have spend on a four year degree so they can buy land. And yes, the money wasted in cars is a joke. I see that with older men who should know better. A car is about the biggest waste of money you can make if it is more than you need and has no good purpose.

Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 12:34 PM (n13/j)

228 BAAHAHA suck it Tony-O :

usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2019/09/07/antonio-brown-raiders-release-instagram/2245285001/

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 07, 2019 12:35 PM (ZBBkS)

229 Turn those old t.v.s into aquariums or terrariums.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 12:30 PM (kQs4Y)


I hate fish.

And plants.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 12:35 PM (cY3LT)

230 Emmie at September 07, 2019 11:29 AM
Yes, this is an open thread!
Posted by: KT

Woooo-Hooooo!

Posted by: JT at September 07, 2019 12:35 PM (arJlL)

231 "Of course a degree opens more doors, but the idea that it's "always" a good financial decision for everyone is absurd. "

Nothing in the world is absolute. But generally speaking, someone with a degree will be better off than someone without.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 07, 2019 12:35 PM (FiUMj)

232 I've found that the traditional purpose of the university, to train minds to use reason (based in logic) for seeking the truth in things, has been transposed with schools becoming social certification factories.

Posted by: mrp at September 07, 2019 12:35 PM (Pqytn)

233 Have fun cleaning the Krugman terrarium. Gotta be expensive to dump that waste.

Posted by: klaftern at September 07, 2019 12:35 PM (RuIsu)

234 I could fit Paul Krugman in mine.
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DO IT. It's like a Sid and Marty Krofft show.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 12:35 PM (kQs4Y)

235 Yes, it is refillable. No-maintenance batteries do not have the ports on top.

Posted by: Emmie at September 07, 2019 12:25 PM (i/wJA)


Use steam distilled water to fill it. (baby section at WallyWorld)

Don't fill it to the rim. Usually, they say 'when you see the cat's eye'. That indicates water covering the internal plates but not too full. (up the snoot)

Then jump the car to start it and let it run for thirty minutes or so to charge your *new* battery charge.

Posted by: Billy Cole at September 07, 2019 12:36 PM (Sh6Rm)

236 Emmie, if your still around-Autozone does a quick charge on batteries.

Takes about 45 minutes.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 07, 2019 12:36 PM (76BPT)

237 We shitcan any application with a vanity degree and don't care how good the grades are. Fields like Art History and some of the other garbage don't produce people who have the right skills for he business world. Most of them are also lazy, ineffectual thinkers. It may not be fair to be so broad brushed, but that comes from a lot of experience.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 07, 2019 12:37 PM (8ts9m)

238 I think Atlanta gov is almost as corrupt New Orleans'.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 12:37 PM (PUmDY)

239 albums isn't the sound its the cover art

It'll never fit on the album cover man.

Posted by: DaveA at September 07, 2019 12:37 PM (FhXTo)

240 A car is about the biggest waste of money you can make if it is more than you need and has no good purpose.
Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 12:34 PM (n13/j)

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Eh. You gotta have a little fun in your life. It can't be all about investing at 8% over 50 years. What's the point, so you die with a bunch of money in a mutual fund but lived your life as boring as possible?

I agree it's stupid to pay a lot of money on cars only to impress people. But if you really want the car for yourself, to enjoy, live a little.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 07, 2019 12:38 PM (FiUMj)

241 We need to have a thread dedicated solely to my fucking antennae problem because I can't get reruns of Home Improvement anymore damn it.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 07, 2019 12:38 PM (Zv1X1)

242 I just decided it's time for a new handgun. Because.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 07, 2019 12:39 PM (6ms3X)

243 I went to Kollage in my 30's. Got an AAS for Legal Secretary. Then a few years later, an atty I was working for was teaching a paralegal course. I borrowed the books and he didn't charge me for the classes. It sorta sucked working for him all day and spending numerous wknds from 8-5 with him as a teacher, but it has worked out well financially.

Posted by: Infidel at September 07, 2019 12:40 PM (BLFnH)

244 Posted by: Moron Robbie- Criminal acts are not loopholes at September 07, 2019 12:31 PM (kRCmK)

give them the money you would have spend on a four year degree so they can buy land. And yes, the money wasted in cars is a joke. I see that with older men who should know better. A car is about the biggest waste of money you can make if it is more than you need and has no good purpose.
Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 12:34 PM (n13/j)


Something I learned recently, your kids are telling you they NEED $200 shoes, not because they're vain and stupid and don't understand the value of a dollar, it's because if they show up to public skrewel wearing cheap shoes, they'll get their arses beat.

Lovely culture we have.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 12:40 PM (cY3LT)

245 At our instructor orientation, the administrator-person exhorted us to not be political in our classrooms with the election coming up.

Then the earth sciences instructor said something about how important it is to make sure students understand AGW is occurring and needs to be addressed. But this is not political, you see; just scientific fact.

Posted by: Emmie at September 07, 2019 12:40 PM (i/wJA)

246 I feel so bad for the old bastards you see who HAVE to keep working when they're 78 because they couldn't stand not driving a new truck every three years.

Posted by: Moron Robbie- Criminal acts are not loopholes at September 07, 2019 12:41 PM (kRCmK)

247 I agree it's stupid to pay a lot of money on cars
only to impress people. But if you really want the car for yourself, to
enjoy, live a little.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 07, 2019 12:38 PM (FiUMj)

agreed. I was only speaking of it as an investment. I know a guy who just dropped almost $50k on a car but still lives in an apartment, has not stock portfolio and has no land. I try to tell him, what the hell? But I don't want to ruffle feathers. I saw go to and junkyard and see where they all end. it is not pretty.

Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 12:42 PM (n13/j)

248 I feel so bad for the old bastards you see who HAVE to keep working when they're 78 because they couldn't stand not driving a new truck every three years.
Posted by: Moron Robbie- Criminal acts are not loopholes at September 07, 2019 12:41 PM (kRCmK)

Yeah, I just bought the newest vehicle I have ever owned. A 2014. First time in my life I had to make payments. Should have it paid off by Spring.

Posted by: Infidel at September 07, 2019 12:43 PM (BLFnH)

249 Pretty sure none of the fields I was interested in (and made prolonged study tolerable) -- History, Literature, Art -- would get me a good job.

And no, I don't think they're worthless. They are essential for preserving the culture, hence the infiltration.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 12:43 PM (kQs4Y)

250 sorry for so many typos, It is the devil's hooch.,

Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 12:44 PM (n13/j)

251 Now that everybody and their dogsitter has a college degree it's more about who you know than what you know, at least in certain arenas.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 07, 2019 12:44 PM (NWiLs)

252 But this is not political, you see; just scientific fact.

It's like the fight of Major League Soccer to keep "political" (i.e. pro-Antifa) banners out of soccer games.

Antifa supporters explain that pro-Antifa banners "aren't political", and if they are political, then so is the American flag.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 07, 2019 12:44 PM (I2/tG)

253 I'm always amazed when people trade in cars to buy used cars at a dealership. If you buy new, you have to buy from a dealer. But buying used from a dealer? WHY??? And trading in to a dealer? WHY??? You're getting fucked both ways.

And yet people do this every couple of years.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 07, 2019 12:44 PM (FiUMj)

254 But - yeah. Me and the entire industry are wrong.

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 12:17 PM (J8GSw)



Eh.

No one's denying that they can't put out a quality vinyl record with great frequency response.

Young you could probably have heard the difference.

It's just that if you're 29 or approaching 29-

you are highly unlikely to be able to hear any difference cuz your ears aren't up to the task anymore.

Random testing of "audiophiles" has proven this time after time.



You may be the one in ten million, far-end of the bell curve etc,

it's just unlikely.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 07, 2019 12:44 PM (mIQCW)

255 Something I learned recently, your kids are telling you they NEED $200 shoes, not because they're vain and stupid and don't understand the value of a dollar, it's because if they show up to public skrewel wearing cheap shoes, they'll get their arses beat.

Lovely culture we have.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 12:40 PM (cY3LT)


Don't buy them shoes buy them boxing lessons.

Posted by: Billy Cole at September 07, 2019 12:45 PM (Sh6Rm)

256 The disturbing thing to me is that leftist crap is starting to make inroads into STEM subjects. For example, IIRC Berkeley now requires applicants for grad school in chemistry to write an essay on what they've done to support perversion. It's an obvious way to filter out the non-"woke," to use the ghetto expression.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 07, 2019 12:45 PM (pz2C4)

257 Something I learned recently, your kids are telling you they NEED $200 shoes, not because they're vain and stupid and don't understand the value of a dollar, it's because if they show up to public skrewel wearing cheap shoes, they'll get their arses beat.

Lovely culture we have.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 12:40 PM (cY3LT)


Enjoy the diversity!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 07, 2019 12:46 PM (pz2C4)

258 Probably already been mentioned, but I think the reason vinyl is outselling CDs is that CD sales are in free fall. Everyone buys music from downloads. I don't remember the last CD I bought, and if you wander through the local Best Buy, you won't find them.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 07, 2019 12:47 PM (l9m7l)

259 A cool thing about the 70s is all the different kinds of rock, glam, punk, prog, hard, etc. that branched out.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 12:47 PM (PUmDY)

260 WHY??? And trading in to a dealer? WHY??? You're getting fucked both ways.

And yet people do this every couple of years.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 07, 2019 12:44 PM (FiUMj)


Dealers will offer certified used cars with a new car warranty.

Posted by: Billy Cole at September 07, 2019 12:48 PM (Sh6Rm)

261 And the problem is, once someone turns 50 and realizes "oh, I should've been saving for retirement," they'd have to put the same $20K into that 8% mutual fund PLUS another $20K each and every year for the next 20 years to end up where that high school kid would be.

How many 50 year olds do you know who can displace $20K from their annual budget for the rest of their working life?

Posted by: Moron Robbie- Criminal acts are not loopholes at September 07, 2019 12:48 PM (kRCmK)

262 257 Something I learned recently, your kids are telling you they NEED $200 shoes, not because they're vain and stupid and don't understand the value of a dollar, it's because if they show up to public skrewel wearing cheap shoes, they'll get their arses beat.

Lovely culture we have.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 12:40 PM (cY3LT)

Enjoy the diversity!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 07, 2019 12:46 PM (pz2C4)

You don't want to be the only kid at a school who doesn't look well-to-do.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 07, 2019 12:49 PM (NWiLs)

263
Nothing in the world is absolute. But generally speaking, someone with a degree will be better off than someone without.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker

____________

But it's not isolated incidents anymore.

That's why the student loan crisis is a crisis. People aren't earning from their expensive degrees and can't pay the debt.

Social Security is now more and more garnishing for delinquent student debt.

You're looking at it when a large amount of colleges were affordable. When I went to college in the 90's it was $2100 a year. Of course that was a smart decision. It's gone up something like 10 times now.

Posted by: Blago at September 07, 2019 12:49 PM (sjTfF)

264 They tried to slip in some SJW crap into one of our company "all associates" meetings after Trump was elected. Nobody said anything at the time, they just hammered their ratings into the basement when the employee survey came. It was their lowest rating in 9 years. Problem solved. It never came up again in any form.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 07, 2019 12:49 PM (6ms3X)

265 "that is good advice there. The internships are the
key. I recall something like 80 percent plus of college interns were
offered jobs upon graduation. I agree the degree concern can go too far.
Fine, if you want to be an engineer go for it. If you are pre med, go
for that too. But if you think a marketing degree beats English, you
will find out your are wrong about that. It is the person and what they
do, not the degree major.


Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 12:31 PM (n13/j)"
..We are seeing internship applicants showing up with 200-300k in debt right out of school, which is a problem. That's in addition to the growing list of schools and degrees we will not hire - not even as an intern - for ANY reason.
The majority of people who get new full time roles with us don't have degrees.

Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at September 07, 2019 12:49 PM (67XdO)

266 For example, IIRC Berkeley now requires applicants for grad school in chemistry to write an essay on what they've done to support perversion.

Increasingly, campuses of the University of California are requiring all applicants for faculty positions to write lengthy essays explaining what they have done for diversity. Very Maoist.

I'm sure this will become near-universal in higher education in a few years.

Saying "I just want to do the best physics I can" is not considered an acceptable answer.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 07, 2019 12:50 PM (I2/tG)

267 Something I learned recently, your kids are telling
you they NEED $200 shoes, not because they're vain and stupid and don't
understand the value of a dollar, it's because if they show up to public
skrewel wearing cheap shoes, they'll get their arses beat.



Lovely culture we have.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 12:40 PM (cY3LT)

yeah yank their asses out if you can do it. You are doing them no good if you can put them in a normal place. I am not for helicoptering kids, they need to learn. But if a school is thunderdome, yanks their asses out. They are getting nothing out of it.

Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 12:50 PM (n13/j)

268 The disturbing thing to me is that leftist crap is starting to make inroads into STEM subjects.

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Ahem. It's STEAM now, misogynist. Don't forget Art.

Posted by: Moron Robbie- Criminal acts are not loopholes at September 07, 2019 12:50 PM (kRCmK)

269 CDC Warns Americans to Stop Kissing, Snuggling Their Chickens

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 07, 2019 12:51 PM (ZBBkS)

270 Posted by: Cannibal Bob at September 07, 2019 12:28 PM (Zv1X1)
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Well here's what was my ordeal. Those fuzzy cute little rats disguised as Rocky The Flying Squirrel will play havoc with antennas & wires. Chipmunks too. So it could be gnawed wire or even pinched wire or even a repositioning of the antenna. When you do get your cannibalistic extension back up on the ladder Bob to raise the antenna check for the tell tale signs of critter activity. And Bullwinkle moose tracks also. This gal loves the " old " shows too, so good luck to you & the Mrs.

Posted by: NOS4A2 at September 07, 2019 12:51 PM (WWS2B)

271 You don't want to be the only kid at a school who doesn't look well-to-do.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 07, 2019 12:49 PM (NWiLs)


First of all, it's shows weak character and low self-esteem to care what others think about how you look.

And second, there's a huge difference between being looked at askance for your sartorial style and getting beaten up for it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 07, 2019 12:51 PM (pz2C4)

272 269 CDC Warns Americans to Stop Kissing, Snuggling Their Chickens
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 07, 2019 12:51 PM (ZBBkS)

I don't do either of those things anyway.

Posted by: Chicken Fucker at September 07, 2019 12:52 PM (NWiLs)

273 That's why the student loan crisis is a crisis. People aren't earning from their expensive degrees and can't pay the debt.


This student loan debt thing is all about Obama isn't it?

Posted by: Billy Cole at September 07, 2019 12:52 PM (Sh6Rm)

274 269 CDC Warns Americans to Stop Kissing, Snuggling Their Chickens
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 07, 2019 12:51 PM (ZBBkS)


Democrats. Is there anything to weird for them?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 07, 2019 12:52 PM (pz2C4)

275 to --> too

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 07, 2019 12:53 PM (pz2C4)

276 Ahem. It's STEAM now, misogynist. Don't forget Art.
Posted by: Moron Robbie- Criminal acts are not loopholes at September 07, 2019 12:50 PM (kRCmK)
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Posted by: NOS4A2 at September 07, 2019 12:53 PM (WWS2B)

277 CDC Warns Americans to Stop Kissing, Snuggling Their Chickens
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 07, 2019 12:51 PM (ZBBkS)


WTF is wrong with people? FFS.

Posted by: Infidel at September 07, 2019 12:54 PM (BLFnH)

278 >>A cool thing about the 70s is all the different kinds of rock, glam, punk, prog, hard, etc. that branched out.


and the music industry got so bloated that they spawned the DIY movement.

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 12:54 PM (J8GSw)

279 I would go so far as to say that unless you have complex professional requirements (med licensing), you are much, much better off as a 20-some year old without a degree now.

Again, I base this by simply looking around the office. Non-degree people are getting full time jobs and buying homes in their 20's. People saddled with useless degrees and debt are stuck renting and bouncing around shitty contract work without benefits.

And when I say useless degree, I mean almost any degree, not just underwater basketweaving. The colleges are almost uniformly cesspits of SJW bullshit and mediocrity.

Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at September 07, 2019 12:55 PM (67XdO)

280 That's why the student loan crisis is a crisis. People aren't earning from their expensive degrees and can't pay the debt.

Total student loans are just slightly larger than auto loans.

For some reason, the amount of auto loans outstanding is not considered a national crisis.

The people with six-figure student loan debt mostly went to private schools - for those who got useless degrees, this is a problem.

However, these people are concentrated in cities, tend to be left-wing political activists, and like to whine a lot.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 07, 2019 12:55 PM (I2/tG)

281 Garrett, yes.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 12:55 PM (PUmDY)

282 Marcus - I agree with your company. Don't hire those worthless idiots.

I say this as a person with vanity degrees (History, Econ). I also went directly into a field that has nothing to do with my schooling, and have remained competitive.

But, most people I studied with/under were useless eaters.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 07, 2019 12:56 PM (5aX2M)

283 277 CDC Warns Americans to Stop Kissing, Snuggling Their Chickens
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 07, 2019 12:51 PM (ZBBkS)


WTF is wrong with people? FFS.
Posted by: Infidel at September 07, 2019 12:54 PM (BLFnH)

Emotional support chickens?

Posted by: Don Q at September 07, 2019 12:56 PM (NgKpN)

284 I don't want to know what people do with their chickens other than fry or bake them.

Posted by: Skip at September 07, 2019 12:56 PM (BbGew)

285 Increasingly, campuses of the University of California are requiring all applicants for faculty positions to write lengthy essays explaining what they have done for diversity. Very Maoist.

I'm sure this will become near-universal in higher education in a few years.


I was approached about teaching at a local community college in my dotage. I was thinking about it, until I learned that it also required such an essay. The community college offered to waive it for me, but I figured, how long could I stand/would I last when surrounded by leftist drones who'd written such an essay? So I passed.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 07, 2019 12:56 PM (pz2C4)

286 agreed. I was only speaking of it as an investment. I know a guy who just dropped almost $50k on a car but still lives in an apartment, has not stock portfolio and has no land. I try to tell him, what the hell? But I don't want to ruffle feathers. I saw go to and junkyard and see where they all end. it is not pretty.
Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 12:42 PM (n13/j)

___

Read a study about this very thing not long ago. It said for the middle classes (the middle 75% of incomes), there is almost a negative correlation between income and car cost. Essentially the people driving new BMWs make less than people driving new Camrys. Guy making $75K is desperate to appear to make $150K. Guy who makes $150K, doesn't give a fuck and just wants transportation from Point A to B.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 07, 2019 12:57 PM (FiUMj)

287 241; Bob, raise that sucker up. Do you have an inline signal amplifier? I wouldn't pick up shit without an amp.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at September 07, 2019 12:57 PM (KP5rU)

288 Raiders release Antonio brown. what a dope. never should have signed him
Grueden should be fired

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 07, 2019 12:57 PM (HDnOX)

289 Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 07, 2019 12:55 PM (I2/tG)

An auto loan has the collateral of the car itself.

It can be repossessed and resold.

How do you do that with a College degree?

Posted by: Don Q at September 07, 2019 12:57 PM (NgKpN)

290 You may be the one in ten million, far-end of the bell curve etc,



it's just unlikely.



Posted by: naturalfake at September 07, 2019 12:44 PM (mIQCW)

Sorry, don't buy it. I'm 62, and the difference between the 2 mediums can be astounding at times. Certainly, my 24 bit SACD's can sound absolutely amazing. Often, they trash the original vinyl (not always just due to wear). But so many of the older "remastered" albums have been brickwalled to stupid levels. There's simply no transients left.

There's a relaxation to the presentation of good vinyl - and granted - you've got to be listening on an expensive rig, comparing 2 good front ends. But I also guarantee I could put on some comparisons A/B and you'd spot the difference immediately (you don't always hear pops and clicks). And sometimes, it's a draw.


Perhaps though, even more important is the ritual of LP's. I used to measure the evenings in 20 minute increments. Time slows. There's just something therapeutic about pulling an album out of the sleeve, setting on the turntable, giving it a quick brush, and dropping the stylus on that groove. Hearing that first little pop as it makes its way towards the music. And then, at the end, having to get up and raise the tonearm - deciding if it gets a flip or you're going to move on.

I'm so glad I never sold off my vinyl back in the 80's (well over 1k albums). Cumbersome, big, space consuming, but each one is a hidden art piece. I can see why kids are doing it. You own it. It's not going to have Apple or Amazon decide that these lyrics are bad (about to happen) and they kill your library. Plus, I can sit and spin the wheel on Led Zeppelin III as much as I like. Go vinyl!

Posted by: clutch cargo at September 07, 2019 12:57 PM (Z1ykJ)

291 Something I learned recently, your kids are telling you they NEED $200 shoes, not because they're vain and stupid and don't understand the value of a dollar, it's because if they show up to public skrewel wearing cheap shoes, they'll get their arses beat.

Lovely culture we have.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 12:40 PM (cY3LT)


Don't buy them shoes buy them boxing lessons.
Posted by: Billy Cole at September 07, 2019 12:45 PM (Sh6Rm)


You'll note I said public school. Or skrewel.

Point being, if YOUR kid wants to fit in, get whatever edgamakashun there is to get, and doesn't want to get his ass beat, boxing lessons are not going to help.

Because there's a good change the kids who are bullying are not going to kollej. If yours wants to, he's gotta play be the rules, and by rules I don't just mean the ones the skrewel sets up. There are also rules the bullies set up.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 12:58 PM (cY3LT)

292 First of all, it's shows weak character and low self-esteem to care what others think about how you look.

Maybe, but I don't think that's a particularly reasonable expectation of kids in fourth and fifth grade. I was the poor kid in a rich private school and they made god damn sure to remind me of it.

And second, there's a huge difference between being looked at askance for your sartorial style and getting beaten up for it.

True, but there's also ostracism and bullying that follows being the odd man out. Maybe less intense than being beaten up, but very real and very shitty.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 07, 2019 12:51 PM (pz2C4)

Posted by: Insomniac at September 07, 2019 12:58 PM (NWiLs)

293 I say this as a person with vanity degrees (History, Econ). I also went directly into a field that has nothing to do with my schooling, and have remained competitive.

But, most people I studied with/under were useless eaters.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 07, 2019 12:56 PM (5aX2M)


That's sad. I love history - as a hobby - and thought that economics might be the social science that actually had some merit.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 07, 2019 12:58 PM (pz2C4)

294 I'm just picturing the internal monologue among the morons here. "FFS, boulder, quit posting fake bullshit in here without a link, I'm looking thi- oh for chrissake it's an actual thing now. where's the fentanyl"

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 07, 2019 12:58 PM (ZBBkS)

295 Are there still English majors/minors?

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 12:59 PM (PUmDY)

296 Everything is a crisis.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 07, 2019 12:59 PM (FiUMj)

297
Out of curiosity about what predominant arguments and memes are being repeated by people who
hate me and want me dead, from time to time I peruse the fever-swamp of twitter feeds such as Rob Reiner's. I noticed within the last week or so, Tubby's account has gone from allowing negative comments to strictly sanitized of any such backtalk. I wonder if it's something he changed, or whether Twitter just started doing it on their own.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at September 07, 2019 12:59 PM (t5m5e)

298 Guy who makes $150K, doesn't give a fuck and just wants transportation from Point A to B.

I bought my next-to-last car new, and kept it for eighteen years, until it started breaking down mechanically.

Current car I've had for five years.

I tell my son you can take a lot of expensive vacations with the money you save not buying cars frequently.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 07, 2019 12:59 PM (I2/tG)

299 295 Are there still English majors/minors?
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 12:59 PM (PUmDY)

Yes.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 07, 2019 12:59 PM (NWiLs)

300 Raiders release Antonio brown. what a dope. never should have signed him
Grueden should be fired
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 07, 2019 12:57

Grueden is back with the Raiders? Guess I really have lost any interest in the National Felon League.

Posted by: Infidel at September 07, 2019 12:59 PM (BLFnH)

301 thought that economics might be the social science that actually had some merit.

Until we've found out that our econ professors had prescribed Stiglitz and Marx, and we lost our ass in the stock-market.

My main major was/were maths. I learnt to code.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 07, 2019 01:00 PM (ZBBkS)

302 Are there still English majors/minors?

Si.

Posted by: klaftern at September 07, 2019 01:01 PM (RuIsu)

303 "Learn a trade. Problem solved."Posted by: garrett

for now there is a shortage of those skilled in "trades", and too many with worthless degrees (or that were poisoned by kollege). But I think "society" needs to rebuild the rural communities, not pack everyone around the cities and into corporate work, with other jobs mostly supporting BigCorp.


There could be new trades to serve more people with larger property ownership (wealthier and bigger middle class). Lately the rich have gotten richer, largely via a manipulated stock market. Rates have lowered since 1980, debt has soared, production outsourced to commie slaves, now rates are near zero. MAGA means rebuilding a strong middle class, via more free and productive American people, not by infinitely inflating currency/markets, and "globalizing".

Posted by: illiniwek at September 07, 2019 01:01 PM (Cus5s)

304 Posted by: Heidi at September 07, 2019 12:32 PM (Zv1X1)
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God bless you too Heidi, thanks. Always appreciated.

Posted by: NOS4A2 at September 07, 2019 01:01 PM (WWS2B)

305 Kind of surprised.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 01:02 PM (PUmDY)

306 Old TV? Disassemble it , or wrap it in a tarp and drop drop it a few times. If it fits in the trash can, then it is trash.

Posted by: Abraxas Arms, the old firm at September 07, 2019 01:02 PM (p6Q7Q)

307 CDC Warns Americans to Stop Kissing, Snuggling Their Chickens
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 07, 2019 12:51 PM (ZBBkS)


Listen, once Popeye's hands me the bag, I'll do what I damn well please with my chicken.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 01:03 PM (cY3LT)

308 Insomniac must of sneaked in while I was away getting more covefe. Good day sir, has the Dorian rain stopped in your neck of the woods?

Posted by: NOS4A2 at September 07, 2019 01:03 PM (WWS2B)

309 Old TV? Disassemble it , or wrap it in a tarp and drop drop it a few times. If it fits in the trash can, then it is trash.

eyy blanco, just haul that mierda in the middle of la nocha and drop it in a ditch

Posted by: the California way! at September 07, 2019 01:04 PM (ZBBkS)

310 " How odd that an entire generation, in psychologically and financially suspended animation, is seen as useful by the very politicos who created this labyrinth of exploitation in the first place."



I dunno, what seems odd to me is that VDH sees this as unintended or coincidental. Am I giving the left too much credit by seeing all that as intentional long-term planning ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 07, 2019 01:04 PM (pkvuH)

311 Read a study about this very thing not long ago. It
said for the middle classes (the middle 75% of incomes), there is almost
a negative correlation between income and car cost. Essentially the
people driving new BMWs make less than people driving new Camrys. Guy
making $75K is desperate to appear to make $150K. Guy who makes $150K,
doesn't give a fuck and just wants transportation from Point A to B.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 07, 2019 12:57 PM (FiUMj)

makes sense to me. I am glad i got over trying to look cool with my car long ago. i have demands myself, I am not a monk here. I need a SUV with 4wd. But after that, the year means nothing to me. I know too many people who base there existence on a freaking car. To each his own i guess. But some of these guys will forgo more important needs and it doesn't make a lick of sense.

Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 01:04 PM (n13/j)

312 >> Raiders release Antonio brown. what a dope. never should have signed him
Grueden should be fired


That idiot threw away 29 million GUARANTEED on a hissy fit.

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 01:05 PM (J8GSw)

313 The problem with America:

Normal people still SAY "GFY!" to the many-headed leftist monster, but they don't walk the walk.

Posted by: mnw at September 07, 2019 01:05 PM (Cssks)

314 Are there still English majors/minors?
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 12:59 PM

Yeah, but don't expect any knowledge of Chaucer, Shakespeare, but will be well versed with Trans gender society, maybe Lesbian contributions to literature.

Posted by: Skip at September 07, 2019 01:05 PM (BbGew)

315 "Labyrinth of Exploitation"
-VDH

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 07, 2019 01:05 PM (EZebt)

316 Stepped away for a bit.

Thank you for the car battery information. Mr. Bassman and I now have a plan.

Now I must return to my weekendly duties.

BBL

Posted by: Emmie at September 07, 2019 01:06 PM (i/wJA)

317 Raiders release Antonio brown. what a dope. never should have signed him
Grueden should be fired
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 07, 2019 12:57 PM (HDnOX)

Yup....heard he called Mike Mayock a "cracker".

Time for the GM's to take to the field and kneel until justice is done. No justice, no peace!

The NFL needs to ban the racist Brown.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 07, 2019 01:06 PM (Z+IKu)

318 308 Insomniac must of sneaked in while I was away getting more covefe. Good day sir, has the Dorian rain stopped in your neck of the woods?
Posted by: NOS4A2 at September 07, 2019 01:03 PM (WWS2B)

Good day to you too! Dorian was a nothingburger here in Central FL. We got a little wind and rain earlier in the week, but nothing more than what a solid afternoon thunderstorm would bring.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 07, 2019 01:06 PM (NWiLs)

319 Posted by: Insomniac at September 07, 2019 12:58 PM (NWiLs)

I can relate. I was one of the military brats at Punahou when as the Vietnam War hotted up, they transferred a number of senior officers to Hawaii to help run that war (roughly halfway between Vietnam and DC).

Kids drove to Punahou in their late model sports cars. We arrived on a bus from Pearl Harbor. Punahou wasn't too sure we were really "Punahou people," and so bruited the idea of not giving us diplomas from Punahou, but merely "certificates of completion" for our last year of high school there.

Then the National Merit results were announced, and the 50 of us who'd transferred in had doubled the number of National Merit Finalists had had in any of the previous years.

At which point Punahou decided we WERE Punahou people after all, and not unter Menschen. But we were clearly outcasts in every respect.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 07, 2019 01:07 PM (pz2C4)

320 >>Posted by: clutch cargo at September 07, 2019 12:57 PM (Z1ykJ)

Well said.

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 01:07 PM (J8GSw)

321 OT, but "The Science Fiction Hall of Fame" is on sale on Kindle for $3.00

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 07, 2019 01:07 PM (l9m7l)

322 Guy who makes $150K, doesn't give a fuck and just wants transportation from Point A to B.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 07, 2019 12:57 PM



When I was vehicle shopping I had a coworker that thought I should get a Lexus GX460 instead of a 4Runner. I just didn't see the point in spending the extra money. My philosophy is that a vehicle is a tool, no different than a set of wrenches or a set of screwdrivers. Why buy Snap-On when Craftsman (at least, old school Craftsman) will do the same thing just as reliably and cheaper? At the same time, I don't want Harbor Freight.

Posted by: Bert G at September 07, 2019 01:07 PM (OMsf+)

323 Old TV? Disassemble it , or wrap it in a tarp and drop drop it a few times. If it fits in the trash can, then it is trash.

eyy blanco, just haul that mierda in the middle of la nocha and drop it in a ditch
Posted by: the California way! at Sep

70". I guess I could get a couple guys to haul into garage on a very large tarp and get busy with the sledge hammer.

Posted by: Infidel at September 07, 2019 01:08 PM (BLFnH)

324 I'm just picturing the internal monologue among the morons here. "FFS, boulder, quit posting fake bullshit in here without a link, I'm looking thi- oh for chrissake it's an actual thing now. where's the fentanyl"
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 07, 2019 12:58 PM (ZBBkS)


Somewhat related, I try to post what I know, and tend not to delve in where I don't... unless I preface whatever comment I'm going to make with a statement like "I'm not sure about this, but" or "I'm guessing..."

The stuff I know though, when I'm met with the "provide a link or you are WROOOOONG!" My response is always, no, I'm not going to learn this for you. If you want to know the truth, look it up yourself, and if you want to proclaim yourself the "winner" of this little comment section argument, I really don't give a shit. You'll either remain ignorant, or you won't. Whichever you choose, I couldn't possibly care one way or the other.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 01:08 PM (cY3LT)

325 Emotional support chickens?
Posted by: Don Q at September 07, 2019 12:56 PM (NgKpN)
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LMAO, actually I can picture that madder than a wet hen Debra Mess-in-her with a brood of ES chickens.

Posted by: NOS4A2 at September 07, 2019 01:09 PM (WWS2B)

326 Read a study about this very thing not long ago. It
said for the middle classes (the middle 75% of incomes), there is almost a negative correlation between income and car cost. Essentially the
people driving new BMWs make less than people driving new Camrys. Guy making $75K is desperate to appear to make $150K. Guy who makes $150K, doesn't give a fuck and just wants transportation from Point A to B.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 07, 2019 12:57 PM (FiUMj)


I knew a venture capitalist - worth many millions - who drove an old Buick beater.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 07, 2019 01:09 PM (pz2C4)

327 Trading in a car at a dealership should only be done as a last resort, as in the car you have is a real dog. Now, buying a used car at a dealership can work to your advantage. Say they have a car suiting your needs, and it has sat awhile, not for being a bad car, but maybe too old for financing. This car might be auction bound. Come right out and say you'll cover the acv ( actual cash value the dealer has on the books) and maybe toss a little extra for salesman's commission.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 07, 2019 01:09 PM (C1Lsn)

328 My philosophy is that a vehicle is a tool, no different than a set of wrenches or a set of screwdrivers

Same here. That's why I got a Honda Fit. It successfully brought all my stuff to Denver, and to ski trips beyond that.

I'm not out on the road to wow the ladies with my Fourth Crusade lore and Morrissey references.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 07, 2019 01:09 PM (ZBBkS)

329 I want an emotional rescue dog.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 01:10 PM (PUmDY)

330 That's sad. I love history - as a hobby - and thought that economics might be the social science that actually had some merit.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 07, 2019 12:58 PM (pz2C4)

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Well it does. And that's where most of the good teachers I had were doing business.

But it's a vanity, because government controls economy.

You realize very quickly that economies are natural systems, that much can be done to mitigate or prevent disasters, as with forests and fires.

You also realize that, though they also know this, politicians and the biggest businesses won't do any of it, because they prefer power to wealth.

That's why it's the "dismal science."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 07, 2019 01:10 PM (5aX2M)

331 >>I want an emotional rescue dog.



Am I Ruff Enough?

Posted by: Clifford at September 07, 2019 01:11 PM (J8GSw)

332 Math is short for mathematics. The "s" in "maths" is superfluous.

Posted by: Chris M at September 07, 2019 01:11 PM (6eqUG)

333 Am I Bitch enough?

Posted by: Lassie at September 07, 2019 01:11 PM (J8GSw)

334 Even dumber than an expensive new car is buying a a new expensive RV or boat using a 20 year loan at 6-7% to finance it.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 07, 2019 01:11 PM (FiUMj)

335 You will be mine, you will be mine

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 01:11 PM (PUmDY)

336 There could be new trades to serve more people with
larger property ownership (wealthier and bigger middle class). Lately
the rich have gotten richer, largely via a manipulated stock market.
Rates have lowered since 1980, debt has soared, production outsourced to
commie slaves, now rates are near zero. MAGA means rebuilding a strong
middle class, via more free and productive American people, not by
infinitely inflating currency/markets, and "globalizing".


Posted by: illiniwek at September 07, 2019 01:01 PM (Cus5s)

well said. I don't get why people cluster in cities that charge an arm and a roof for a dumb apartment. Wow, it is great that you can get Thai at any hour But what about the sucky quality of life?

I will never voluntarily move to a bid city again. If I do it will be for a damn good reason and I will still seek out a Red area. Reagan spoke about "A Time for Choosing" And that time is now. I am citied out. Been there, done that. There is nothing in an American big city that I need.

Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 01:11 PM (n13/j)

337 there's only one kind of lending exempt from the Ability To Repay rule championed by Liz Warren that's been the law for a decade: student loans. what was Harvard paying her? $450K or so.

Posted by: x at September 07, 2019 01:12 PM (nFwvY)

338 Even dumber than an expensive new car is buying a a new expensive RV or boat using a 20 year loan at 6-7% to finance it.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 07, 2019 01:11 PM (FiUMj)

Yup....but that is what social security money is for.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 07, 2019 01:13 PM (Z+IKu)

339 Cars stopped being a status symbol for our elites a long time ago Try a degree from Georgetown for junior, or a ski chalet in Gstaad. Those things impress their peers, but not a car.

Posted by: mnw at September 07, 2019 01:13 PM (Cssks)

340 Posted by: Insomniac at September 07, 2019 01:06 PM (NWiLs)
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Good to hear Insomniac, glad you are safe and sound. Been awhile since you told me you had a fairly good lead, so not trying to be nosy, but how goes it on the job front, finance - wise?

Posted by: NOS4A2 at September 07, 2019 01:13 PM (WWS2B)

341 Trading in a car at a dealership should only be done as a last resort, as in the car you have is a real dog. Now, buying a used car at a dealership can work to your advantage. Say they have a car suiting your needs, and it has sat awhile, not for being a bad car, but maybe too old for financing. This car might be auction bound. Come right out and say you'll cover the acv ( actual cash value the dealer has on the books) and maybe toss a little extra for salesman's commission.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at September 07, 2019 01:09 PM (C1Lsn)


Last vehicle I traded in, I knew what it was worth. What the dealer offered me was close enough, and it saved me the trouble of having to sell it myself.

I believe in paying people what they're worth, and not overpaying them, so what I'm paying for here is the convenience, not the eventual sale price of the vehicle.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 01:13 PM (cY3LT)

342 332 Math is short for mathematics. The "s" in "maths" is superfluous.
Posted by: Chris M at September 07, 2019 01:11 PM (6eqUG)


Brit usage.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 07, 2019 01:14 PM (pz2C4)

343 The stuff I know though, when I'm met with the "provide a link or you are WROOOOONG!"

That's actually rare. I like to think I've earned a little respect on that much. (That's an Erasure reference.) Also I generally agree with the HQ consensus or else I'd, like, find some other home.

The trouble happens when I've only got my cell phone; it's hard to paste a link, and to back up a comment on a phone, especially at Horde-Speed.

I just have to decide if I'm going to do a full comment later on a much later thread, or if I figure to give the chicken a rest. Usually I just make that a post on my blog. One example was the discussion we had about Saint Luke's Gospel a few months back. (Good thing that wasn't a flamewar.)

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 07, 2019 01:15 PM (ZBBkS)

344 Last vehicle I traded in, I knew what it was worth. What the dealer offered me was close enough, and it saved me the trouble of having to sell it myself.


Same here, they actually offered me $1k more than I was expecting.

Posted by: Bert G at September 07, 2019 01:15 PM (OMsf+)

345 Brit usage.

Also there were multiple majors including Mathematics and Statistics ("ancient Mediterranean civilizations" was the third), and unlike Greek and Hebrew we don't have a dual in English, so I figure the plural would work.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 07, 2019 01:17 PM (ZBBkS)

346 >>Same here, they actually offered me $1k more than I was expecting.


They are killing themselves to get quality used option for people. Because nobody in their right mind wants to drop 50k + on a new vehicle.

Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 01:17 PM (J8GSw)

347 Posted by: illiniwek at September 07, 2019 01:01 PM (Cus5s)

well said. I don't get why people cluster in cities that charge an arm and a roof for a dumb apartment. Wow, it is great that you can get Thai at any hour But what about the sucky quality of life?

I will never voluntarily move to a bid city again. If I do it will be for a damn good reason and I will still seek out a Red area. Reagan spoke about "A Time for Choosing" And that time is now. I am citied out. Been there, done that. There is nothing in an American big city that I need.
Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 01:11 PM (n13/j)


Nobody asked to hear my life story, so I'll only say this: I'm moving out of a large city, to a much smaller city, and recently drove from here to there. I love driving, and forget how much I do, because DRIVING in a large city takes all the fun out of it.

So the whole trip, the ONLY time my blood pressure went up, was the two large cities we passed through on our way from here to there... and then the last several miles once we got back here. By that point, as I am fond of saying, it's a good thing for you people on the road with me that I don't have a .50 cal mounted on my hood.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 01:17 PM (cY3LT)

348 There are 4 cars in my garage. My wife's car is a CPO German luxury car. Bought it used, 2 years old with 20K miles. Still a brand new car, with a 7 year warranty that is transferable (better than buying new). That was 2 years ago, and we're looking to sell it soon and get the next 2 year old version. The depreciation between years 2 and 4 on those cars is very small. It's the sweet spot of car ownership, little depreciation, driving a nearly new car still under warranty which is a big selling point when it comes time to sell.

The other 3 are a beater truck I use to get shit from Home Depot and drive the dogs to the vet. My daily driver which is a 10 year old Japanese sedan. And then my 40 year old German sports car that they will bury me in, and hence I care not about what it's worth

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 07, 2019 01:17 PM (FiUMj)

349 Brit usage.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 07, 2019 01:14 PM (pz2C4)


I find it difficult to pronounce. So I say "math."

Posted by: Emmie at September 07, 2019 01:18 PM (i/wJA)

350 Went up thread looking for car battery trouble advice but didn't find it.
But want to mention a probable cause of school loan failure is from the Charley Kirk video from Prager U a large percentage of higher education never graduates, so no degree but the debt has still piled up.

Posted by: Skip at September 07, 2019 01:19 PM (BbGew)

351 "Brit usage"

I'm against it!

Posted by: Chris M at September 07, 2019 01:20 PM (6eqUG)

352 Good to hear Insomniac, glad you are safe and sound. Been awhile since you told me you had a fairly good lead, so not trying to be nosy, but how goes it on the job front, finance - wise?
Posted by: NOS4A2 at September 07, 2019 01:13 PM (WWS2B)

In a word: terribly.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 07, 2019 01:20 PM (NWiLs)

353 If trading a car in, go to Carmax first. They will give you a ridiculously low offer, but then you have that as a baseline. You can probably get 10% more at a dealer trade in and 20-25% more selling it privately.

Last time I traded in a car was 10+ years ago. Selling private is the way to go. Takes a bit of effort but I'll waste a few hours hours to get make several thousand on the difference between private and trade in value.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 07, 2019 01:20 PM (FiUMj)

354 The stuff I know though, when I'm met with the "provide a link or you are WROOOOONG!"
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That's actually rare. I like to think I've earned a little respect on that much. (That's an Erasure reference.) Also I generally agree with the HQ consensus or else I'd, like, find some other home.

The trouble happens when I've only got my cell phone; it's hard to paste a link, and to back up a comment on a phone, especially at Horde-Speed.

I just have to decide if I'm going to do a full comment later on a much later thread, or if I figure to give the chicken a rest. Usually I just make that a post on my blog. One example was the discussion we had about Saint Luke's Gospel a few months back. (Good thing that wasn't a flamewar.)
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 07, 2019 01:15 PM (ZBBkS)


Yeah, if I'm on my phone, I have to just drop in and out, because it's not going to work, trying to enter the scrum.

As for Luke, I love Luke! He's the best, man, and anybody who says different is a communist.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 01:21 PM (cY3LT)

355 That's sad. I love history - as a hobby - and thought that economics might be the social science that actually had some merit.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 07, 2019 12:58 PM (pz2C4)

The country is going down the drain for lack of historical knowledge. The last thing we need is less history. And if one studies history at the collegiate level, they will see it is nothing like what you got in high school or in some survey course for Freshmen. History is has been one of the planks of Western Studies since the beginning and for good reason.

The problem is not liberal arts degrees. The problem is "studies" degrees and the shite college's people send their kids to these days. Ask anyone with a history degree from Harvard how difficult it was to find a job. Hell, this isnt' even the issue. The problem is universities have turned into lefty hell holes.

If I were advising a young kid today. I would tell them to listen to Mike Rowe as much as possible.

Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 01:21 PM (n13/j)

356 I will be your knight in shining armahhhhhh never fails to crack me up.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 01:21 PM (PUmDY)

357 I was fortunate that a PhD Econ student at the U. of Chicago taught part-time at the backwater college I attended in the '70s. He was conservative, even libertarian, and I was exposed to so much new thinking.

Is the U. of C. still the same? I hear it say so, that it won't allow free speech to be shut down. But the liberal pressure is pervasive.

Posted by: FloridaMan at September 07, 2019 01:21 PM (W+sQP)

358 I traded my 17 year old car in on the day before the emissions was due, and it had already failed. They didn't notice until I was signing the papers.

Posted by: Chris M at September 07, 2019 01:22 PM (6eqUG)

359 For an analogy RE: economics... imagine if you studied to be an auto mechanic, but then every employer you ever had instructed you to fix the cars badly, to keep the customers coming back. All the auto shops are in on the scam, and if you try to strike out on your own and make your own, they'll attempt to kill you.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 07, 2019 01:23 PM (5aX2M)

360 In a word: terribly.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 07, 2019 01:20 PM (NWiLs)
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Oh no! What a bummer. I feel just awful now even bringing it up, sorry. Hoping it changes to the positive very soon. Hang in there and good luck.

Posted by: NOS4A2 at September 07, 2019 01:24 PM (WWS2B)

361 a dumb apartment. Wow, it is great that you can get Thai at any hour But what about the sucky quality of life?

I will never voluntarily move to a bid city again. If I do it will be for a damn good reason and I will still seek out a Red area. Reagan spoke about "A Time for Choosing" And that time is now. I am citied out. Been there, done that. There is nothing in an American big city that I need.
Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 01:11 PM (n13/j)

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Quality of life is subjective. Your good quality of life living out in the sticks is someone else's version of hell. My sister is like that. She's a city girl, born and raised and never left. She is literally afraid to go camping because she thinks something in the wild will attack her.

I've lived in big cities, small cities and small towns. There's good and bad to all of them. No place is perfect.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 07, 2019 01:25 PM (FiUMj)

362 Same here, they actually offered me $1k more than I was expecting.
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They are killing themselves to get quality used option for people. Because nobody in their right mind wants to drop 50k + on a new vehicle.
Posted by: garrett at September 07, 2019 01:17 PM (J8GSw)


Yeah, I'm not going to take to the dealer a vehicle they aren't going to sell on their used lot. The math just isn't going to add up no matter how you slice it.

The vehicle I traded in, it was below $1000 less than I could have sold it for myself.

I was prepared to not sell it, and frankly, I was prepared to not buy a new vehicle that day, and I'd like to think car people are smart enough to know that, just from my tone and body language.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 01:26 PM (cY3LT)

363 Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 07, 2019 01:07 PM (l9m7l)
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Thanks BC. Classic SF is never OT.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 01:26 PM (kQs4Y)

364 I think Atlanta gov is almost as corrupt New Orleans'.

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Bigmouth Lightfoot of Chicago is making an impressive entrance.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 07, 2019 01:27 PM (+y/Ru)

365
I just have to decide if I'm going to do a full comment later on a much later thread, or if I figure to give the chicken a rest. Usually I just make that a post on my blog. One example was the discussion we had about Saint Luke's Gospel a few months back. (Good thing that wasn't a flamewar.)
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 07, 2019 01:15 PM (ZBBkS)

It also helps if you have met the moron in person. A little more trust than just some random troll.

Posted by: Infidel at September 07, 2019 01:27 PM (BLFnH)

366 334 Even dumber than an expensive new car is buying a a new expensive RV or boat using a 20 year loan at 6-7% to finance it.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 07, 2019 01:11 PM (FiUMj)


If you have to finance it, you ought to think very hard about whether you should be buying it at all.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 07, 2019 01:27 PM (pz2C4)

367 She is literally afraid to go camping because she thinks something in the wild will attack her.

She's afraid of being attacked, and she lives in a big city??

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 07, 2019 01:29 PM (pz2C4)

368 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 07, 2019 12:58 PM (pz2C4)

The country is going down the drain for lack of historical knowledge. The last thing we need is less history. And if one studies history at the collegiate level, they will see it is nothing like what you got in high school or in some survey course for Freshmen. History is has been one of the planks of Western Studies since the beginning and for good reason.

The problem is not liberal arts degrees. The problem is "studies" degrees and the shite college's people send their kids to these days. Ask anyone with a history degree from Harvard how difficult it was to find a job. Hell, this isnt' even the issue. The problem is universities have turned into lefty hell holes.

If I were advising a young kid today. I would tell them to listen to Mike Rowe as much as possible.
Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 01:21 PM (n13/j)


Recent conversation involving a younger family member, and I was pontificating about this or that. I don't really remember what, but I sorta turned to him after I made some point of historical fact, and said something like "and I bet you didn't know that because they don't teach you kids that stuff no more!"

Now, he's not really a kid, but he's young enough... and I'll be damned if he didn't look at me like he had no idea what I was talking about.

Nope, they don't teach 'em.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 01:30 PM (cY3LT)

369 360 In a word: terribly.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 07, 2019 01:20 PM (NWiLs)
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Oh no! What a bummer. I feel just awful now even bringing it up, sorry. Hoping it changes to the positive very soon. Hang in there and good luck.
Posted by: NOS4A2 at September 07, 2019 01:24 PM (WWS2B)

Don't feel bad about asking, that's just how it is right now.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 07, 2019 01:30 PM (NWiLs)

370 Guess whose fantasy team auto drafted Antonio Brown?

I'd trade him for Aaron Hernandez if I could.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at September 07, 2019 01:30 PM (NWY1X)

371 Quality of life is subjective. Your good quality of
life living out in the sticks is someone else's version of hell. My
sister is like that. She's a city girl, born and raised and never left.
She is literally afraid to go camping because she thinks something in
the wild will attack her.



I've lived in big cities, small cities and small towns. There's good and bad to all of them. No place is perfect.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 07, 2019 01:25 PM (FiUMj)

Agreed. It is about finding out what matters to you in your time of life. I am not going to crap on city life as I have spent my share of time in them. I could knock off most of the well known cities in Western Civ really. Each man has to find his own place that fits him at a specific time. I was only telling where I am now. I don't consider it to be a form fitting plan for others.

Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 01:31 PM (n13/j)

372 If you have to finance it, you ought to think very hard about whether you should be buying it at all.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 07, 2019 01:27 PM (pz2C4)

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The entire industry is based on lending.

I once went to a boat dealer just to see what was there. No intention of buying, but I wanted to see what the new stuff had vs the older stuff. And the salesman said if you want to take a boat out for a test drive (or sea trial since everything on a boat is a different word than for a car even though it means the same thing) you need to get financing lined up first and we need to see proof, kind of like getting pre-approved for a mortgage before some real estate agents will work with you. I said, well what if I pay with cash. And the guy said, oh, I'm not sure. Let me ask my manager, I've never worked with a cash buyer before.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 07, 2019 01:31 PM (FiUMj)

373 I was prepared to not sell it, and frankly, I was prepared to not buy a new vehicle that day, and I'd like to think car people are smart enough to know that, just from my tone and body language.
Posted by: BurtTC a

I bought mine from a local used dealer that I went to HS with. I had sold a car dad had and got a better price than a trusted friend said I should take. They took an old vehicle I hated as a trade in, at a fair price so I didn't have to deal with it.

Overall I'm happy. Even tho it's 5 years old, seems new to me and not a beater.

Posted by: Infidel at September 07, 2019 01:32 PM (BLFnH)

374 Recent conversation involving a younger family
member, and I was pontificating about this or that. I don't really
remember what, but I sorta turned to him after I made some point of
historical fact, and said something like "and I bet you didn't know that
because they don't teach you kids that stuff no more!"



Now, he's not really a kid, but he's young enough... and I'll be
damned if he didn't look at me like he had no idea what I was talking
about.



Nope, they don't teach 'em.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 01:30 PM (cY3LT)

it has become scary at this point.

Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 01:32 PM (n13/j)

375 I've been everywhere man.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 01:32 PM (PUmDY)

376 I do think everyone at some point in their life should work a job that makes your body ache when you go home. I won't pretend I did hard labor but I hauled boxes all day when I worked at the liquor store. You need a job that isn't just sitting at a computer in an office.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at September 07, 2019 01:33 PM (NWY1X)

377 Each man has to find his own place that fits him at a specific time.

I never got to do this, which is probably one of the reasons I've been so unhappy most of my life.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 07, 2019 01:33 PM (NWiLs)

378 376 I do think everyone at some point in their life should work a job that makes your body ache when you go home.

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I did for a summer in high school. And it sucked. And I hated it. I swore to myself I would never need to do that shit again. Not that I needed to be told, but it quadrupled my reinforcement that I better get good grades and go to college to not have to do that type of work for 50 years.

Damn good lesson.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker - Not In My Purview at September 07, 2019 01:35 PM (FiUMj)

379 376 I do think everyone at some point in their life should work a job that makes your body ache when you go home. I won't pretend I did hard labor but I hauled boxes all day when I worked at the liquor store. You need a job that isn't just sitting at a computer in an office.
Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at September 07, 2019 01:33 PM (NWY1X)

Commercial landscaping, two summers in FL.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 07, 2019 01:35 PM (NWiLs)

380 Insomniac, two full years?

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 01:36 PM (PUmDY)

381 380 Insomniac, two full years?
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 01:36 PM (PUmDY)

No, during two summers.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 07, 2019 01:37 PM (NWiLs)

382 Yep, construction for 12 yrs. From laborer to Bacon-Davis equipment operator. Then I started looking at the old guys on the job site. 45 and looked 65. That's when I went to Kollege.

Posted by: Infidel at September 07, 2019 01:37 PM (BLFnH)

383 Each man has to find his own place that fits him at a specific time.



I never got to do this, which is probably one of the reasons I've been so unhappy most of my life.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 07, 2019 01:33 PM (NWiLs)
we are all still kicking. You can find it. And I hope you do.

Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 01:37 PM (n13/j)

384 Whoops, just saw summers. One motivated me enough.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 01:38 PM (PUmDY)

385 Ah, that should be Davis-Bacon. Bacon, always on the mind.

Posted by: Infidel at September 07, 2019 01:38 PM (BLFnH)

386 I do think everyone at some point in their life should work a job that makes your body ache when you go home.

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Quality control engineer in a brothel?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 07, 2019 01:38 PM (+y/Ru)

387 Ah, that should be Davis-Bacon. Bacon, always on the mind.

Posted by: Infidel at September 07, 2019 01:38 PM (BLFnH)

made me think of Mavis-Beacon. The old typing teaching program.

Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 01:41 PM (n13/j)

388 Garden up.

Posted by: Infidel at September 07, 2019 01:41 PM (BLFnH)

389 Afternoon all

After the last TX hurricane I was getting letters asking if I would sell my truck.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 07, 2019 01:41 PM (76BPT)

390 I do think everyone at some point in their life should work a job that makes your body ache when you go home.

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Quality control engineer in a brothel?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at September 07, 2019 01:38 PM (+y/Ru)


Here's a shovel, kid. By the time you're done, I don't want my shoes to stick to the floor.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 01:41 PM (cY3LT)

391 made me think of Mavis-Beacon. The old typing teaching program.
Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 01:41

That's funny. I took typing in HS. Yesterday I dropped off a refi app at the Credit Union. The receptionist was using her right index finger on the space bar. One of the strangest thing I have every seen.

Posted by: Infidel at September 07, 2019 01:43 PM (BLFnH)

392 What kind of truck, Ben Had. I sure miss my '72 chevy.

Posted by: Infidel at September 07, 2019 01:45 PM (BLFnH)

393 Kids today are very talented and quick with their thumbs.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 01:45 PM (PUmDY)

394 Most everyone I work with has done construction their whole lives and has some nagging ache if not worse. I have been lucking in that matter, just muscle problems more than I use to.

Posted by: Skip at September 07, 2019 01:45 PM (BbGew)

395 Wishing you the very best Insomniac. Gotta turn around, just gotta. Praying hard.
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Unfortunately daylights a'wasting. I got some yard work that just won't do itself, and Fall is around the corner up north here. Should be back for the movie thread tonight if not to worn out & still soaking in the tub. Later all, have a fine day one of this W.E. (Always so seems so short after a three day W.E. as last week's.) Exit stage right---->

Posted by: NOS4A2 at September 07, 2019 01:46 PM (WWS2B)

396 Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 01:30 PM (cY3LT)

I don't quite understand why someone needs to be taught history. Books on history abound; just read them on your own, no need to have them assigned.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 07, 2019 01:46 PM (pz2C4)

397 Hmm, Bridge Over the River Kwai on TCM in an hour.

Posted by: Infidel at September 07, 2019 01:48 PM (BLFnH)

398 Infidel- 3/4ton, 6speed, diesel

Posted by: Ben Had at September 07, 2019 01:50 PM (76BPT)

399 Posted by: BurtTC at September 07, 2019 01:30 PM (cY3LT)

I don't quite understand why someone needs to be taught history. Books on history abound; just read them on your own, no need to have them assigned.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 07, 2019 01:46 PM (pz2C4)


What are books?

Posted by: Everyone Under 30 at September 07, 2019 01:50 PM (cY3LT)

400 Commercial landscaping, two summers in FL.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 07, 2019 01:35 PM (NWiLs)

WOW! Just going out for the mail makes me sweat!

Posted by: FloridaMan at September 07, 2019 01:51 PM (W+sQP)

401 NFL Fantasy Federal PMITA Draft?

Posted by: klaftern at September 07, 2019 01:51 PM (RuIsu)

402 I don't quite understand why someone needs to be taught history.

History classes are less for learning the history itself. They are more for learning how to reason and write like a historian. Avoiding cliches, keeping the argument succinct and on-point, and keeping up with reasonably-recent scholarship.

That way we can avoid something like, well, a bunch of morons spouting off on the internet

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 07, 2019 01:53 PM (PmsTA)

403 397The madness, the madness

Posted by: Skip at September 07, 2019 01:53 PM (BbGew)

404 Infidel- 3/4ton, 6speed, diesel
Posted by: Ben Had

NICE. Mine was 3/4 ton. It had split rims, first tire I changed all rims and tires replaced. Sold it to nephew who was supposed to sell it back when he was done. Little shit totaled it going down a hill in neutral.

Posted by: Infidel at September 07, 2019 01:54 PM (BLFnH)

405 don't quite understand why someone needs to be taught history. Books on history abound; just read them on your own, no need to have them assigned.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 07, 2019 01:46 PM (pz2C4)

There is more to the study of history at the collegiate level than just reading books. But I sense this is going nowhere. If you think history is no more than a hobby that is fine. I am not in charge of history major recruitment and really have no desire to spell it out.

There are more marketable degrees in this day and age no doubt. I think it is pretty clear most Americans have little interest in learning more history. But if you think a history degree is simply about reading or learning dates, you would be mistaken.

Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 01:54 PM (n13/j)

406 What happen to the ncaa thread?

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 01:56 PM (PUmDY)

407 ed.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 01:59 PM (PUmDY)

408 #396 making students take some history ensures that all who graduate don't exit with zero knowledge of history.

It's very important.

And it's lost upon the left who reject history and believe it starts with themselves.

Posted by: torabora at September 07, 2019 01:59 PM (i2b43)

409 But if you think a history degree is simply about reading or learning dates, you would be mistaken.
Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 01:54 PM (n13/j)


Learning dates is a trivial understanding of history. Reading the various sources, synthesizing the various perspectives, and drawing your own conclusions would be my understanding of history.

Logical reasoning and the ability to write clearly and cogently are a given that should be expected of anyone who graduates from college.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 07, 2019 02:05 PM (pz2C4)

410 86 If you are over 29 and want to enjoy music more, get your hearing checked.
Chances are good you have some hefty deficits, some hearing loss. Could be anything, maybe a construction job you had, maybe you are a combat vet, maybe you spent a career commuting on a noisy train.
Then buy hearing aids. The new technology is very good
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at September 07, 2019 11:48 AM

YES. Hearing aids are terribly expensive due to manufacturer collusion. They can cost $3,000 per ear. However, terrific digital hearing aids can be bought at Amazon for around $60. For not much money you might be very happy to hear things you did not even know you were missing.

Posted by: Delurk Ergo Sum at September 07, 2019 02:06 PM (fOqG5)

411 A good example for where a historically-inclined brain helps is in dealing with the duuuude atlaaaantis crowd.

Say, you got a book discussing a peek at the Timaeus and other literature; then a brief look at mid Atlantic geology, then a few Flood myths and a look at the post-Ice-Age sea level rise. Finally, sifting the data for the nearest likely mass destructive events that a Greek like Plato would be likely to have heard about.

Usually that trail ends up in Thera; although Peter James floated western Anatolia, and others have mused about the Black Sea in 6000 BC or so.

It doesn't really matter which one is right, or (my theory) they all contributed, across 5000 years of muddled storytelling.

Either way, you've learnt something about where catastrophic floods can happen, and can turn down the urge to buy waterfront property in Portland. It also might help you keep your kids away from manipulative creeps like Marion Zimmer Bradley.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 07, 2019 02:06 PM (PmsTA)

412 27 I am waiting for RS to accuse the 60's and '70's bands and singers they once idolized of cultural appropriation: Eric Clapton, the Stones, the Animals, Janis Joplin - how dare all those honkies sing blues songs?
Posted by: Donna&&&&V at September 07, 2019 11:32 AM (d6Ksn)


Eric Clapton is already on the Left's siht list for his anti-illegal immigrant and anti-free siht stances of the 70s and 80s.

Posted by: BuddyPC at September 07, 2019 02:09 PM (V47nk)

413 Posted by: boulder t'hobo at September 07, 2019 02:06 PM (PmsTA)

Right now I'm reading Hugh Thomas's "The Spanish Civil War" and Robert Conquest's "The Great Terror."

Why? Because the two interact quite profoundly with each other, and, moreover, were coincident in time. Stalin's extension of the Great Terror to the Spanish Civil War caused him to exterminate inter alia the members of POUM, and played no small part in the Republicans' loss.

The parallels between leftists' behavior then and now are disturbing, shall we say.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 07, 2019 02:10 PM (pz2C4)

414 "Quality of life is subjective. Your good quality of

life living out in the sticks is someone else's version of hell."

there will always be plenty of city dwellers ... but I'd love to see it become "popular" for the BoyScout types to go be rural and entrepreneurial ... on two or more acres, make the property really nice, maybe produce some horticultural thing, whatever.

With the internet, they can produce items for special order ... sell on Ebay or whatever, UPS delivers. Lots of cool stuff for the middle class self made man and woman, to raise a family outside BigGov dominance. (we hope)

Posted by: illiniwek at September 07, 2019 02:13 PM (Cus5s)

415 Bluetooth compatible, listen to music directly on the devices. Control the volume, get some nice presets.
What the hell is money for, anyway?
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at September 07, 2019 11:48 AM (w7KSn)


Roger that.

Posted by: FloridaMan at September 07, 2019 02:14 PM (W+sQP)

416 Smart Military Blog
Over there we talk about flowers and peyote and here we talk about war and women? But I'm repeating myself.

Posted by: Throbbing Tonsil/ Humphreyrobot at September 07, 2019 02:16 PM (9PtLS)

417 they tried to make Bryan Ferry a pariah for his love of hunting.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 02:17 PM (PUmDY)

418 Heh. I'm a Steelers fan. A result of growing up in Western PA. Anyway, I don't follow football as closely as I once did. Various reasons. I will admit that I have been following the Antonio Brown saga with much amusement. I told everybody I know that the Steelers would be fine without him and that the Raiders will find out what a nutcase he is. Well, the Raiders have cut him. Once again, the Steelers screw over the Raiders. Heh.

Posted by: Puddleglum, job huntin' at September 07, 2019 02:18 PM (EST5g)

419 Each man has to find his own place that fits him at a specific time.



I never got to do this, which is probably one of the reasons I've been so unhappy most of my life.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 07, 2019 01:33 PM (NWiLs)


Live your own dream, or else you live somebody else's. I remember telling you about a life long friend of mine who had been through all the shit you have. He got the job "others" expected him to have. Married the chick "others" said was good for him. Bought the house "others" said would be great. His whole fucking life was about what others wanted, and followed the rules "others" demanded he follow.
Yeah well, he went from making 300K a year to homeless and talking to trees out in the woods by the time his c*nt wife and the courts got done with him. All these "others" were nowhere to be found when he hit bottom.


He died last month, and all these "others" again were nowhere to be found. They could have held the service in a small deli. Don't fucking be that guy, live for yourself. Its never too late.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 07, 2019 02:20 PM (9Om/r)

420 Kick cooking question (I don't want to soil the dainty gardening thread with sausage talk) -- I have big brisket snossages I need to cook.

Is it okay to brown them in bacon fat and butter and then transfer them to the crockpot with a bit of stock?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 02:20 PM (kQs4Y)

421 QUICK cooking question.

Jeebus.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 02:20 PM (kQs4Y)

422 418
Did not know football had double agents.

Posted by: Throbbing Tonsil/ Humphreyrobot at September 07, 2019 02:20 PM (9PtLS)

423 Over there we talk about flowers and peyote and here we talk about war and women? But I'm repeating myself.
Posted by: Throbbing Tonsil/ Humphreyrobot at September 07, 2019 02:16 PM (9PtLS)
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"Flowers and Peyote and War and Women" is a song Berserker needs to write.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 02:21 PM (kQs4Y)

424 This early slate of games is awful.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 02:23 PM (PUmDY)

425 I can write that song.
Do not need a gun to live....but it helps.

Posted by: Throbbing Tonsil/ Humphreyrobot at September 07, 2019 02:25 PM (9PtLS)

426 A good example for where a historically-inclined brain helps is in dealing with the duuuude atlaaaantis crowd.
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Gallileo cries as more ignorant anthropogenic religious zealots proclaim Man the Center and Arbiter of the Universe.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 07, 2019 02:26 PM (MIKMs)

427 I have big brisket snossages I need to cook.

Is it okay to brown them in bacon fat and butter and then transfer them to the crockpot with a bit of stock?

Posted by: All Hail Eris

Never seen brisket sausages. But I don't see why your plan wouldn't work. Sounds delicous. Maybe throw in some peppers and onion if you have it.

Posted by: olddog in mo at September 07, 2019 02:34 PM (Dhht7)

428 I can figure out when Universities became entirely leftist. But I don't quite understand when the lunatic children took over the asylum.

Posted by: N.L. Urker. I will urk until I can't urk anymore. at September 07, 2019 02:35 PM (eAMlh)

429 Well shit. Cat just bit me. Didn't appreciate me moving his paw off my hand when he started kneading me with his claws.

Posted by: olddog in mo at September 07, 2019 02:38 PM (Dhht7)

430 Good idea, Old Dog.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 02:38 PM (kQs4Y)

431 "Flowers and Peyote and War and Women" is a song Berserker needs to write.



Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 02:21 PM (kQs4Y)


Yeah, I'll get right on that.

I'll have every 'ette here hunting me down. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 07, 2019 02:40 PM (9Om/r)

432 I'll sing the war cry, Bers!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 02:42 PM (kQs4Y)

433 Well shit. Cat just bit me. Didn't appreciate me moving his paw off my hand when he started kneading me with his claws.
Posted by: olddog in mo at September 07, 2019 02:38 PM (Dhht7)


I had an overstuffed furry tube sock do that this morning on the couch. It starts with headbutting.

"*bonkbonkbonk*"
"Hey, kitty. Here, have rubs."
"nOw cLaWs gO iN yOuR sKiNnnNnNnn"
"OH F**F**** stop it what the hell, cat"
"cLaWssSSssss"

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 07, 2019 02:49 PM (t+qrx)

434 Did you put it down?

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 02:51 PM (PUmDY)

435 Did you put it down?
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 02:51 PM (PUmDY)


That's not a reason to euthanize a pet. He's just being friendly.

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 07, 2019 02:52 PM (t+qrx)

436 Cats are like sharks. They have to bite you to understand you.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 02:54 PM (kQs4Y)

437 kidding, but that is why I am more down with dogs.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 02:55 PM (PUmDY)

438

Rock legend Mick Jagger attacked US President Donald Trump for his rudeness and lies Saturday and for "tearing apart" environment controls when America should be setting the standard for the world.

The Rolling Stones singer said he was "absolutely behind" young climate change activists who had earlier occupied the red carpet at the Venice film festival, where he was starring in the psychological thriller, "The Burnt Orange Heresy".

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 07, 2019 02:56 PM (aKsyK)

439 That sounds unlike Mick.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 02:59 PM (PUmDY)

440 Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 07, 2019 02:56 PM (aKsyK)

Along with Donald Sutherland. Neither is long for this world.

Celebrities, is there anything they don't know?

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 07, 2019 03:00 PM (2DOZq)

441 Pet thread.

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 07, 2019 03:01 PM (t+qrx)

442 The Rolling Stones singer said he was "absolutely behind" young climate change activists
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I just bet he was.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 03:03 PM (kQs4Y)

443 Just sent an email to my Lt Governor Dan Patrick letting him know that I appreciate his willingness to suffer the consequences of his positions but I wouldn't continue to support him ( he's going to push background checks on private sales) .

These politicians just don't understand the incremental strategy the Left and anti gun people have. I pointed him to gay marriage as an example.

Posted by: Pig to man dreaming of lions at September 07, 2019 03:06 PM (2DOZq)

444 Army has the ball with 2 minutes left against (7) Michigan. if Army beats them, this will be their first win against a top ten team since 1966

Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 03:09 PM (n13/j)

445 Ty, Quint

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 03:12 PM (PUmDY)

446 Crap.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 03:15 PM (PUmDY)

447 not over

Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 03:16 PM (n13/j)

448 Well Army/ Michigan at least is a unknown that Bridge Over the River Kwai isnt.

Posted by: Skip at September 07, 2019 03:18 PM (BbGew)

449 Well Army/ Michigan at least is a unknown that Bridge Over the River Kwai isnt.

Posted by: Skip at September 07, 2019 03:18 PM (BbGew)

"What have I done?"

Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 03:22 PM (n13/j)

450 442 The Rolling Stones singer said he was "absolutely behind" young climate change activists
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I just bet he was.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 03:03 PM (kQs4Y)



Said, tongue in cheek?

Posted by: Billy Cole at September 07, 2019 03:22 PM (Sh6Rm)

451 Yes!

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 03:23 PM (PUmDY)

452 Army up a touchdown, not sure how this college ot works but assume Michigan gets 1 run to score a td

Posted by: Skip at September 07, 2019 03:25 PM (BbGew)

453 Hold em!

Posted by: Skip at September 07, 2019 03:28 PM (BbGew)

454 I'm reading about the severely inbred Hapsburgs and one of their strangest loinfruit was Ferdinand I: "One of his favorite pastimes was to wedge his bottom in a wastebasket and roll around the floor on it. Despite that, he reigned as emperor for 18 years."

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 03:28 PM (kQs4Y)

455 That killer 1st and goal penalty

Posted by: Skip at September 07, 2019 03:29 PM (BbGew)

456 Even as a Napoleonic era fan, Austria-Hungary never excited me

Posted by: Skip at September 07, 2019 03:32 PM (BbGew)

457 Charbonnet sounds like a Boone's Farm flavor.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 03:33 PM (PUmDY)

458 I'm reading about the severely inbred Hapsburgs and one of their strangest loinfruit was Ferdinand I: "One of his favorite pastimes was to wedge his bottom in a wastebasket and roll around the floor on it. Despite that, he reigned as emperor for 18 years."
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 03:28 PM (kQs4Y)


Charles II of Spain has a challenger!

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 07, 2019 03:34 PM (t+qrx)

459 time to throw it.

Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 03:37 PM (n13/j)

460 Fiddlesticks

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 03:38 PM (PUmDY)

461 Shouldn't have gone with pass.

Posted by: olddog in mo at September 07, 2019 03:39 PM (Dhht7)

462 Pretty big choke by Army.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 07, 2019 03:39 PM (yQpMk)

463 They led with Charles II but I think Ferdi is a strong contender. Hydrocephalic with the Hapsburg jaw and epilepsy, poor fellow.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 03:41 PM (kQs4Y)

464 I was thinking run to get the 3/ Good game either way, they fought hard.

Posted by: Quint at September 07, 2019 03:43 PM (n13/j)

465 They led with Charles II but I think Ferdi is a strong contender. Hydrocephalic with the Hapsburg jaw and epilepsy, poor fellow.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 03:41 PM (kQs4Y)


It was discovered at Charles II's autopsy that he was actually a couple of ducks that had somehow gotten stuck in a sack full of straw.

Hey, aren't you supposed to be packing, not reading?

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 07, 2019 03:44 PM (t+qrx)

466 They were going for the win, their chances of losing were increasing exponentially.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 03:47 PM (PUmDY)

467 I have to do it in fits and starts or NOTHING.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 03:49 PM (kQs4Y)

468 The more I think about it, the more appealing wedging my butt in a wastebasket and rolling myself around on it starts to sound.

Posted by: hogmartin will be sad if you don't register for the fall MIMoMe at September 07, 2019 03:50 PM (t+qrx)

469 The Wisdom of the Hapsburgs.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at September 07, 2019 03:52 PM (kQs4Y)

470 7-0 Bama 13 seconds into the game.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 07, 2019 04:03 PM (yQpMk)

471 The Mitch Ryder & Detroit album is one of the great rock and roll albums period. Even Lou Reed said that Ryder's version of Reed's Rock and Roll is the definitive take. Johnny "Bee" Badanjek's drumming just doesn't stop and Ryder has rarely been in finer voice. Steve Hunter, who went on to success with Reed and Alice Cooper, does a searing guitar solo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mag6jxiHXXk

Posted by: rokemronnie at September 07, 2019 04:07 PM (W8/ca)

472 Their c c rider is awesome.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at September 07, 2019 04:15 PM (PUmDY)

473 Rock legend Mick Jagger attacked US President Donald Trump for his rudeness and lies Saturday and for "tearing apart" environment controls when America should be setting the standard for the world.

The Rolling Stones singer said he was "absolutely behind" young climate change activists who had earlier occupied the red carpet at the Venice film festival, where he was starring in the psychological thriller, "The Burnt Orange Heresy".
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 07, 2019 02:56 PM (aKsyK)

But what does Keith Richards think? I mean, he's going to eventually be living through it...

Posted by: JoeF. at September 07, 2019 04:24 PM (NFEMn)

474 _Mr Duncan Smith said:

'This is about Parliament versus the people. Boris Johnson is on the side of the people, who voted to leave the EU. The people are sovereign because they elect Parliament. But Parliament wants to stop the will of the people.'

-DM

Posted by: Billy Cole at September 07, 2019 05:16 PM (UX5QD)

475 Daily Mail poll shows the public back a No Deal exit over Jeremy Corbyn for PM

Posted by: Billy Cole at September 07, 2019 05:20 PM (UX5QD)

476 Duncan continued:

'The people are sovereign because they elect Parliament. But Parliament wants to stop the will of the people.'

Posted by: Billy Cole at September 07, 2019 05:28 PM (UX5QD)

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