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Semi-Secret Below-the-Main Post Post
I'm going to do a PITCH MEETING: Russia Collusion post, explaining the "plot holes" in the Russia Collusion Conspiracy.
I was hoping that some mavens on the story can provide me with suggestions about which "plot inconsistencies" to hit. Like: "But I thought Natalia Veselnitskya was working with Glenn Simpson FOR Putin?!" "Whoops!" "Whoopsie!" There's a lot of material here, and I'd like to hit a lot of the problems with the conspiracy theory, maybe explaining it to people that don't know some of these problems. I figure I could do a trilogy of these, starting with the DOJ/FBI lies about the spying and FISA Warrant, then maybe the CNN/Clapper coordinated leak/set up, then the Mueller Report itself. Anyway, anyone who knows this stuff, please offer some suggestions here. Again, the most important for now is the stuff about the spying/setting up/FISA lies stuff, as that will be the first of this trilogy.Comments
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Whaaa? Only. One podt
Posted by: General Organa (I am not a princes!!!!!) at August 08, 2019 04:50 PM (9dzlp)
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You have to film them, though. Writing them is no fair, because then you get the $250,000 advance from Random House and you skip town on us.
Posted by: t-bird at August 08, 2019 04:50 PM (C78No)
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Treason is tight!
Posted by: t-bird at August 08, 2019 04:54 PM (nIvDu)
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You mean a smart person like Trump while running for president would 1. break the law putting everything they are working for at risk and 2. make themselves forever blackmailable by a foreign malicious/unpredictable power in order to maybe get some information, that maybe is important, and maybe can be put out in a way that maybe swings some votes from your opponent.
That equation makes zero sense.
That equation makes zero sense.
Posted by: azoo at August 08, 2019 04:55 PM (wg7wr)
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I don't understand what is going on here at all.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 08, 2019 04:55 PM (xfb67)
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Well the biggest scandal of the whole thing is that Hillary paid Steele through FusionGPS to go get dirt, most of which was supplied by Vyacheslav Trubnikov, former Director of Russia's Foreign Intelligence Service, and Vladislav Surkov, Former Deputy Prime Minister of Russia, and of course Comey everyone else involved knew this before the first FISA Warrant Application that Comey signed.
Posted by: Sharkman at August 08, 2019 04:55 PM (NoKAc)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 08, 2019 04:56 PM (xfb67)
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There's always room for artistic license when you write these things. I would include some of the texts between Strozk and Page and make them really graphic with really weird kinky sex just to spice it up a little.
Posted by: keena at August 08, 2019 04:58 PM (RiTnx)
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If Trump colluded there would be at least 100 people in his chaotic campaign who would know, from the admins reading his emails, to drivers, to security people, to key campaign staff. How would anyone take that risk?
Posted by: azoo at August 08, 2019 04:58 PM (wg7wr)
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The big problem = We're going to be saying Trump is bad because he was willing to accept dirt from the Russians about Hillary, but won't we ourselves specially be asking Russians to give us dirt about Trump?
The solution = Ah, but see we'll have an English guy be our cutout and do the asking for us and that's better because Englishmen are super classy.
The solution = Ah, but see we'll have an English guy be our cutout and do the asking for us and that's better because Englishmen are super classy.
Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at August 08, 2019 04:58 PM (hdzef)
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The biggest flaw in the entire thing was that it didn't even accuse Trump of doing anything illegal.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 08, 2019 04:59 PM (xfb67)
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"Aren't people gonna notice that the Steele Dossier was an unverified piece of garbage propaganda that was paid for by Hillary's campaign?"
"Nope, not at all. Barely an inconvenience."
"Nope, not at all. Barely an inconvenience."
Posted by: Redwhiteandtrue at August 08, 2019 04:59 PM (altwb)
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Nobody is going to prison for the coup attempt, except maybe some lowlife who agrees to a payout after a couple of years in a country club joint.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 08, 2019 04:59 PM (rxqaT)
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I'll get right on it. Barely an inconvenience.
Posted by: Fritz (not Fritz) at August 08, 2019 05:00 PM (IIOyJ)
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I'm using this thread as a scratchpad for ideas.
Here is a link (for myself, or anyone else) about Sharkman's tip
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/08/01/
beyond_the_scope__seriously.html
remove spaces
I'm using this thread as a scratchpad for ideas.
Here is a link (for myself, or anyone else) about Sharkman's tip
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/08/01/
beyond_the_scope__seriously.html
remove spaces
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:00 PM (PbpT7)
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>>>10 The big problem = We're going to be saying Trump is bad because he was willing to accept dirt from the Russians about Hillary, but won't we ourselves specially be asking Russians to give us dirt about Trump?
The solution = Ah, but see we'll have an English guy be our cutout and do the asking for us and that's better because Englishmen are super classy.
...
yup, I'll definitely hit this.
The solution = Ah, but see we'll have an English guy be our cutout and do the asking for us and that's better because Englishmen are super classy.
...
yup, I'll definitely hit this.
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:00 PM (PbpT7)
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:01 PM (PbpT7)
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Inside baseball comment. If you click on the sidebar link, it goes to that page without comments where you have to click access comments to get to the comments. Doing that gives an error and the page never loads.
Posted by: I don't know at August 08, 2019 05:01 PM (tyPJ2)
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Trump's agenda included unleashing America's energy potential, this directly hits Putin and his inner circle of thugs in the pocket book. No way they wanted Trump.
Posted by: Jean at August 08, 2019 05:01 PM (iBXYq)
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>>>3 Treason is tight!
That's pretty good.
Man, what I can do with the prostitutes peeing on each other.
That's pretty good.
Man, what I can do with the prostitutes peeing on each other.
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:02 PM (PbpT7)
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Trump colluded because he has business interests in Russia!
You mean those deep business interest for which Michael Cohen had nothing better to do than to email cold to the contact@company.com email on the website?
You mean those deep business interest for which Michael Cohen had nothing better to do than to email cold to the contact@company.com email on the website?
Posted by: azoo at August 08, 2019 05:02 PM (wg7wr)
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:02 PM (PbpT7)
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"How are you going to convince people that Comey didn't leak his memos on purpose to justify the appointment of a special prosecutor?"
"I don't know!"
"I don't know!"
Posted by: Redwhiteandtrue at August 08, 2019 05:02 PM (altwb)
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Colluding with Russia is Tight!
What? No it's not?
It's not?
NO, colluding with Russia is wrong.
But the Clintons used their influence to clear Uranium sales to Russia in exchange for outrageous speaking fees?
No, that's OK. But getting campaign dirt from Russian agents is wrong.
Oh, I just figured that since it was OK to sell nuclear materials to Russia for money that something like gathering campaign info for free would be super OK.
Nope.
Whoops!
Whoopsie!
What? No it's not?
It's not?
NO, colluding with Russia is wrong.
But the Clintons used their influence to clear Uranium sales to Russia in exchange for outrageous speaking fees?
No, that's OK. But getting campaign dirt from Russian agents is wrong.
Oh, I just figured that since it was OK to sell nuclear materials to Russia for money that something like gathering campaign info for free would be super OK.
Nope.
Whoops!
Whoopsie!
Posted by: Mirror Universe Phil Collins at August 08, 2019 05:02 PM (al2Cf)
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It doesn't matter that President elect Trump didn't do anything illegal it was his intent that matters just like it doesn't matter that Candidate Hillary Clinton (who will never be POTUS HALLELUJAH!) broke the law but we'll just say there was no intent HA HA the jokes on you normal rubes in flyover country. Man the Swamp is really starting to get to me - may they all languish in Hades! Go Trump MAGA!
Posted by: Kenny The G from AZ at August 08, 2019 05:02 PM (v2/Hn)
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:02 PM (PbpT7)
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"The solution = Ah, but see we'll have an English guy be our cutout and do the asking for us and that's better because Englishmen are super classy."
Not Idris Elba. Too blonde.
Not Idris Elba. Too blonde.
Posted by: ogmrobvious at August 08, 2019 05:03 PM (Tjrtw)
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One part of the scandal is that moronic lefties always believe history began yesterday.
Every single poll showed Hillary was going to win. The Russians weren't throwing dirt on Hillary so Trump would win the election, they were throwing dirt on Hillary so she would be damaged goods as President.
I believe they thought this would cause a little more strife between Republicans and Democrats - and therefore weaken the U.S.
Of course, that part of the plan exceeded the wildest expectations of the Russians. Trump won and the Democrats have been doing everything in their power for the last 2-1/2 years to cause strife between the parties and weaken the nation.
Every single poll showed Hillary was going to win. The Russians weren't throwing dirt on Hillary so Trump would win the election, they were throwing dirt on Hillary so she would be damaged goods as President.
I believe they thought this would cause a little more strife between Republicans and Democrats - and therefore weaken the U.S.
Of course, that part of the plan exceeded the wildest expectations of the Russians. Trump won and the Democrats have been doing everything in their power for the last 2-1/2 years to cause strife between the parties and weaken the nation.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 08, 2019 05:03 PM (tkyK5)
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That Trump was Moscow's preferred candidate, when Hillary had already helped them buy American uranium and was eminently blackmailable.
The idea that Trump was Putin's choice over the irredeemably corrupt Hillary Clinton is ludicrous.
The idea that Trump was Putin's choice over the irredeemably corrupt Hillary Clinton is ludicrous.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 08, 2019 05:04 PM (oVJmc)
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How about the Veselitskaya meeting?
Oh that meeting where in the middle of conspiring and colluding Jared texted his admin to call him so he has a pretext to get out.
Oh that meeting where in the middle of conspiring and colluding Jared texted his admin to call him so he has a pretext to get out.
Posted by: azoo at August 08, 2019 05:04 PM (wg7wr)
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I'll have to do a "circular reporting" joke/explainer.
Part of the idea is that I want to explain some of this stuff to noobs in a humorous way.
"And how are we going to prove that?"
"We'll prove it by circular reporting."
"Whaaat...?"
"Circular reporting. I'll leak what I want to prove to friendly press contacts so that they can report it's a fact, then I'll cite the same press articles for proof that the thing I need proof for has been proven."
"Ooooh, geometrical lying is TIGHT!"
Part of the idea is that I want to explain some of this stuff to noobs in a humorous way.
"And how are we going to prove that?"
"We'll prove it by circular reporting."
"Whaaat...?"
"Circular reporting. I'll leak what I want to prove to friendly press contacts so that they can report it's a fact, then I'll cite the same press articles for proof that the thing I need proof for has been proven."
"Ooooh, geometrical lying is TIGHT!"
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:05 PM (PbpT7)
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But Trump called on Putin to spy on Hillary!
Oh, yes. On TV. Of course comrade Putin and all the Russian secret service just sit in front of the TV awaiting their orders from Trump. Through the TV of course. They jumped up, saluted and got to work I imagine. With soviet patriotic music in the background.
Oh, yes. On TV. Of course comrade Putin and all the Russian secret service just sit in front of the TV awaiting their orders from Trump. Through the TV of course. They jumped up, saluted and got to work I imagine. With soviet patriotic music in the background.
Posted by: azoo at August 08, 2019 05:05 PM (wg7wr)
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whoops, I don't want to preview actual jokes. Anyway, i guess it's an note to self.
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:05 PM (PbpT7)
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and then, if trump objects to law enforcement behaving like a bunch of crooked monkeys, we'll say he's obstructing justice.
but he has oversight powers over all of law enforcement, it's kind of in his job title.
barely an inconvenience, we'll just have a brain dead human-penguin hybrid in congress talk about evidence we'll never see.
never?
no, why would you want to do that?
I don't know.
but he has oversight powers over all of law enforcement, it's kind of in his job title.
barely an inconvenience, we'll just have a brain dead human-penguin hybrid in congress talk about evidence we'll never see.
never?
no, why would you want to do that?
I don't know.
Posted by: Keto not Beto at August 08, 2019 05:06 PM (JziUy)
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For $32 million, I can write you a report I don't know what's in
Posted by: USA at August 08, 2019 05:06 PM (lE2nd)
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Geometrical lying should definitely enter the lexicon.
Posted by: Redwhiteandtrue at August 08, 2019 05:06 PM (altwb)
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>>>34 and then, if trump objects to law enforcement behaving like a bunch of crooked monkeys, we'll say he's obstructing justice.
good idea.
good idea.
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:06 PM (PbpT7)
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that was a shmylan level twist, truibnikov wouldn't share the day of the week, with steele, but he did have contact with Stefan halper, surkov is putin's half chechen Svengali, also no dice, the fact that both were in the kavalec memo were first order category error, also there is this weird twist out of sneakers, (where the nsa was supposedly running a base in san francisico, but it was the secret mob front headed by ben kingsley,
Posted by: admiral marcus at August 08, 2019 05:07 PM (x+C/t)
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One that's been eating at me: Why, after implicating Julian Assange as a knowing collaborator with the Russian state, did Mueller not indict Assange? He was extradited the same week as the release of the Mueller report. Mueller indicted a bunch of Russians who will never see the inside of a US courtroom. Julian Assange was extradited to face indictment for the Bradley Manning stuff.
Why didn't Mueller indict Assange for his pivotal role in the alleged Russian hack?
Why didn't Mueller indict Assange for his pivotal role in the alleged Russian hack?
Posted by: Jummy at August 08, 2019 05:08 PM (a3j0Z)
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Perhaps a retro look at how FBI contractors had been data mining the NSA data base since 2012? to conduct surveillance against political opponents? Nicely summed up by the FISA chief judge Rosemary Collier in an April 2017 finding by the court.
Posted by: Tom22ndState at August 08, 2019 05:08 PM (R6osy)
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I'm dying to know how this collusion between Russia and a private citizen , Donald Trump manifested itself into an electoral win. How was this facilitated? Trump didn't have his hands on any of the levers of power and he would have needed help from people who did, namely the heads of the the FBI, the CIA and the NSA among others.
Only they would have been in a position to collude with a foreign entity, right?
Right?
Only they would have been in a position to collude with a foreign entity, right?
Right?
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2019 05:08 PM (NFEMn)
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"so, trump, huh?"
"ugh, I don't know what's worse, him or his voters"
"well, we should figure out how to impeach trump"
"what about his voters?"
"what about them?"
"won't they object to impeaching trump"
"I don't think that's how impeaching works"
"I know, we'll do a throw away line, like 'in a world, when walmart people can't be trusted, some folks in congress have a job to do'"
"perfect"
"ugh, I don't know what's worse, him or his voters"
"well, we should figure out how to impeach trump"
"what about his voters?"
"what about them?"
"won't they object to impeaching trump"
"I don't think that's how impeaching works"
"I know, we'll do a throw away line, like 'in a world, when walmart people can't be trusted, some folks in congress have a job to do'"
"perfect"
Posted by: Keto not Beto at August 08, 2019 05:08 PM (JziUy)
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Dan Bongino had a great video about how the "pee dossier" was written a few years back for a different reason, then it was turned into a Trump smear.
I'm too busy to go look up the vid. I'm swamped with a project I only have a couple hours to finish.
Any Bongino fans out there know what I'm talking about here?
I'm too busy to go look up the vid. I'm swamped with a project I only have a couple hours to finish.
Any Bongino fans out there know what I'm talking about here?
Posted by: RKae at August 08, 2019 05:09 PM (9xVyT)
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The most interesting part of this to me is NSA's Admiral Mike Rogers' visit to Trump Tower during the transition period without telling his bosses. The next day the transition team moved out of Trump Tower. What did he warn them about?
Posted by: Mark1971 at August 08, 2019 05:09 PM (xPl2J)
Posted by: Keto not Beto at August 08, 2019 05:09 PM (JziUy)
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FBI guy1: So, we can say Carter Page had previous interactions with known Russian agents in 2013.
FBI guy2: Didn't he actually help us indict those guys though.
FBI guy1: Why does that need to be mentioned? He still interacted with those guys, right?
FBI guy2: True. Ok. Let's go with that.
FBI guy2: Didn't he actually help us indict those guys though.
FBI guy1: Why does that need to be mentioned? He still interacted with those guys, right?
FBI guy2: True. Ok. Let's go with that.
Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at August 08, 2019 05:10 PM (hdzef)
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Well, there's the Big One.
"Working with hostile foreigners to change the outcome of a presidential is wrong, isn't it?"
"You mean like Hillary did when she hired Fusion GPS to get fake dirt on Trump?"
Whoops!
Whoopsie!
Well, there's the Big One.
"Working with hostile foreigners to change the outcome of a presidential is wrong, isn't it?"
"You mean like Hillary did when she hired Fusion GPS to get fake dirt on Trump?"
Whoops!
Whoopsie!
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 08, 2019 05:10 PM (M9ntN)
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so, klimick, how about if he's both a russian asset and a state department asset
"maybe he has split personalities"
"what about the chase scene how can we do that?
"oh just clever camera angles"
good idea
"maybe he has split personalities"
"what about the chase scene how can we do that?
"oh just clever camera angles"
good idea
Posted by: Keto not Beto at August 08, 2019 05:11 PM (JziUy)
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now the washed up british spy, think paul eggleston from dr. who, to convey the crazy, actually worked for deripasha, the oligarch who had been hired by the bureau to investigate the levinson disappearance in karg island in iran, what an aluminum tycoon would do on a gambler's post in iran is anybodies guess,
Posted by: admiral marcus at August 08, 2019 05:11 PM (x+C/t)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-in-the-middle_attack
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:11 PM (PbpT7)
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"So... we're gonna say that Trump had hookers piss on him in the bed Obama used."
"Wait, isn't that kind of absurd? I mean, suspension of disbelief only goes so far."
"nah, don't worry about it - everyone in this country is an idiot. They believe whatever we tell them."
"What if they don't?"
"Then... fuck 'em. It's not like they can do anything about it."
"Wait, isn't that kind of absurd? I mean, suspension of disbelief only goes so far."
"nah, don't worry about it - everyone in this country is an idiot. They believe whatever we tell them."
"What if they don't?"
"Then... fuck 'em. It's not like they can do anything about it."
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2019 05:12 PM (AzW6q)
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>>>48 so, klimick, how about if he's both a russian asset and a state department asset
"maybe he has split personalities"
"what about the chase scene how can we do that?
"oh just clever camera angles"
good idea
no the premise is that he's pitching it as an actual DNC/DOJ/IC operation, not as a movie. It's just that we're using the Pitch Meeting jokes as a template.
"maybe he has split personalities"
"what about the chase scene how can we do that?
"oh just clever camera angles"
good idea
no the premise is that he's pitching it as an actual DNC/DOJ/IC operation, not as a movie. It's just that we're using the Pitch Meeting jokes as a template.
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:12 PM (PbpT7)
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Man, what I can do with the prostitutes peeing on each other.
"Russia, huh? I remember my last night in Moscow like it was...well, last night..."
"Russia, huh? I remember my last night in Moscow like it was...well, last night..."
Posted by: t-bird at August 08, 2019 05:12 PM (lK7fO)
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A completely dis-interested Australian diplomat, Alexander Downer, happens to have had many drinks with George Papadopolous, wherein Mr. Papadopolous lets slip that Moscow has hacked Clinton emails. Two whoops:
Mr. Downer had previously arranged a $25M donation to the Clinton Foundation.
It turns out that this meeting, between Papadopolous and Downer, was on May 10th. The meeting at which this supposed information was transmitted actually happened was on May 6th. It was with Erika Thompson, an Australian "diplomat". Along with an attempted meeting on May 6th by two DIA members of the US Embassy in London, Terrence Dudley and Gregg Baker.
An another whoops - the FBI swears that the investigation didn't start until July 31. All of this activity in May is just coinkidink.
Details far down the post at theconservativetreehouse: https://bit.ly/2OJ4c9T
Mr. Downer had previously arranged a $25M donation to the Clinton Foundation.
It turns out that this meeting, between Papadopolous and Downer, was on May 10th. The meeting at which this supposed information was transmitted actually happened was on May 6th. It was with Erika Thompson, an Australian "diplomat". Along with an attempted meeting on May 6th by two DIA members of the US Embassy in London, Terrence Dudley and Gregg Baker.
An another whoops - the FBI swears that the investigation didn't start until July 31. All of this activity in May is just coinkidink.
Details far down the post at theconservativetreehouse: https://bit.ly/2OJ4c9T
Posted by: motionview at August 08, 2019 05:12 PM (pYQR/)
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"Working with hostile foreigners to change the outcome of a presidential is wrong, isn't it?"
"You mean like Hillary did when she hired Fusion GPS to get fake dirt on Trump?"
----
akkshually, based on my discussions with big brain liberals, here how that pitch goes:
"Working with hostile foreigners to change the outcome of a presidential is wrong, isn't it?"
-omg, like our country was under attack, this is treason.
"You mean like Hillary did when she hired Fusion GPS to get fake dirt on Trump?"
-I'm sorry did you just use words, all I head was blah blah blah.
"You know, the NYT's is owned by a foreigner"
-what, why are you so xenophobic????
"so about Hillary and Uranium One funnelling money from Russia to Fusion through Perkins..."
-I'm sorry I already forgot what you said, it's like I can't even process this.
"You mean like Hillary did when she hired Fusion GPS to get fake dirt on Trump?"
----
akkshually, based on my discussions with big brain liberals, here how that pitch goes:
"Working with hostile foreigners to change the outcome of a presidential is wrong, isn't it?"
-omg, like our country was under attack, this is treason.
"You mean like Hillary did when she hired Fusion GPS to get fake dirt on Trump?"
-I'm sorry did you just use words, all I head was blah blah blah.
"You know, the NYT's is owned by a foreigner"
-what, why are you so xenophobic????
"so about Hillary and Uranium One funnelling money from Russia to Fusion through Perkins..."
-I'm sorry I already forgot what you said, it's like I can't even process this.
Posted by: Keto not Beto at August 08, 2019 05:13 PM (JziUy)
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>>.so, klimick, how about if he's both a russian asset and a state department asset
but I'll look this up and consider using a joke based on this.
There are going to be a lot of inconsistencies pushed aside with the "I'm going to need you to get ALL the way down off my back about this" joke.
but I'll look this up and consider using a joke based on this.
There are going to be a lot of inconsistencies pushed aside with the "I'm going to need you to get ALL the way down off my back about this" joke.
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:13 PM (PbpT7)
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>>>ompletely dis-interested Australian diplomat, Alexander Downer, happens to have had many drinks with George Papadopolous, wherein Mr. Papadopolous lets slip that Moscow has hacked Clinton emails. Two whoops:
Mr. Downer had previously arranged a $25M donation to the Clinton Foundation.
It turns out that this meeting, between Papadopolous and Downer, was on May 10th. The meeting at which this supposed information was transmitted actually happened was on May 6th. It was with Erika Thompson, an Australian "diplomat". Along with an attempted meeting on May 6th by two DIA members of the US Embassy in London, Terrence Dudley and Gregg Baker.
An another whoops - the FBI swears that the investigation didn't start until July 31. All of this activity in May is just coinkidink.
Details far down the post at theconservativetreehouse: https://bit.ly/2OJ4c9T
...
yeah this is the sort of stuff I want to drill down into.
Mr. Downer had previously arranged a $25M donation to the Clinton Foundation.
It turns out that this meeting, between Papadopolous and Downer, was on May 10th. The meeting at which this supposed information was transmitted actually happened was on May 6th. It was with Erika Thompson, an Australian "diplomat". Along with an attempted meeting on May 6th by two DIA members of the US Embassy in London, Terrence Dudley and Gregg Baker.
An another whoops - the FBI swears that the investigation didn't start until July 31. All of this activity in May is just coinkidink.
Details far down the post at theconservativetreehouse: https://bit.ly/2OJ4c9T
...
yeah this is the sort of stuff I want to drill down into.
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:13 PM (PbpT7)
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no the premise is that he's pitching it as an actual DNC/DOJ/IC operation, not as a movie. It's just that we're using the Pitch Meeting jokes as a template.
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excuse me, I think I know how hollywood works.
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excuse me, I think I know how hollywood works.
Posted by: Keto not Beto at August 08, 2019 05:13 PM (JziUy)
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The other part of the left's moronic conspiracy theory is that the Russians prefer any Republican in office. This is ridiculous.
Republicans are always willing to spend more on the U.S. military. Putin and the Democrats prefer the opposite.
Republicans and Trump want western Europe to spend more on their NATO military commitments. Putin and lefties prefer the opposite.
Republicans and Trump want to get the Keystone Pipeline operating. Putin and Democrats prefer the opposite.
Republicans and Trump want to open up more land for federal oil and gas leasing. Putin and Democrats prefer the opposite.
Putin and the Democrats want to block fracking in the U.S. and the world. Republicans want the states to regulate it for safety as dictated by local conditions.
Basically, anything that helps the world (minus Russia) develop and produce oil and gas resources is bad for Russia. Most of their foreign hard currency comes from their oil and gas business.
Finally, Russia took the Crimea while Obama was in office. They also supported an invasion into the Ukraine. They also established a proxy base in Syria. They have not acquired any more territory while Trump has been POTUS.
Dumbest conspiracy theory EVER!
Republicans are always willing to spend more on the U.S. military. Putin and the Democrats prefer the opposite.
Republicans and Trump want western Europe to spend more on their NATO military commitments. Putin and lefties prefer the opposite.
Republicans and Trump want to get the Keystone Pipeline operating. Putin and Democrats prefer the opposite.
Republicans and Trump want to open up more land for federal oil and gas leasing. Putin and Democrats prefer the opposite.
Putin and the Democrats want to block fracking in the U.S. and the world. Republicans want the states to regulate it for safety as dictated by local conditions.
Basically, anything that helps the world (minus Russia) develop and produce oil and gas resources is bad for Russia. Most of their foreign hard currency comes from their oil and gas business.
Finally, Russia took the Crimea while Obama was in office. They also supported an invasion into the Ukraine. They also established a proxy base in Syria. They have not acquired any more territory while Trump has been POTUS.
Dumbest conspiracy theory EVER!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 08, 2019 05:14 PM (tkyK5)
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Rinat Akhmetshin was at the Trump Tower meeting w the attorney. Supposedly, they just "happened" to meet before the meeting and he tagged along. His work history includes a business relationship w Ed Lieberman, husband of Clinton staffer Evelyn. RA was also at the Halifax meeting where McCain was supposed to have first learned of the dossier. RA's wife, Lyudmila Vereshchagina (sp), is good friends w Alexandra Chalupa. Good Ukrainians. But, RA was portrayed as a Russian spy. Proof exists he did work w Glen Simpson.
Posted by: Ever at August 08, 2019 05:14 PM (kkVtg)
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Shadowy Russian agent Joseph Mifsud turns out to not be a Russian agent telling PapaD that Russia had Hillary's emails, but a western intel agent.
Posted by: dagny at August 08, 2019 05:14 PM (nRWPy)
62
"The Mueller Report is a roadmap to impeachment! We must have hearings and investigations to pursue every last detail of this report!"
"So, we'll do some high-tech FBI forensics on the DNC's hard drive instead of just using Crowdstrike's report about it?"
Whoops!
Whoopsie!
"The Mueller Report is a roadmap to impeachment! We must have hearings and investigations to pursue every last detail of this report!"
"So, we'll do some high-tech FBI forensics on the DNC's hard drive instead of just using Crowdstrike's report about it?"
Whoops!
Whoopsie!
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 08, 2019 05:14 PM (M9ntN)
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or he could be tom hardy if you want him extra grizzled, now deripasha hired waldman who used to work for justice, to get the necessary visas to be in contact with the right agencies, think George Clooney from Michael clayton, he in turn was in contact with mark warner, who made his money trading with Russia through Yandex ru,
Posted by: admiral marcus at August 08, 2019 05:15 PM (x+C/t)
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>>>60 Rinat Akhmetshin was at the Trump Tower meeting w the attorney. Supposedly, they just "happened" to meet before the meeting and he tagged along. His work history includes a business relationship w Ed Lieberman, husband of Clinton staffer Evelyn. RA was also at the Halifax meeting where McCain was supposed to have first learned of the dossier. RA's wife, Lyudmila Vereshchagina (sp), is good friends w Alexandra Chalupa. Good Ukrainians. But, RA was portrayed as a Russian spy. Proof exists he did work w Glen Simpson.
This type of thing might be dealt with with his "Just a few simple things" joke, where he then does this huge list of things that is not simple.
This type of thing might be dealt with with his "Just a few simple things" joke, where he then does this huge list of things that is not simple.
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:15 PM (PbpT7)
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"Hmm, isn't it going to be difficult to get the mainstream press to report this? I mean, they'll be risking their entire reputations and respectability all on a single story generated from paid opposition research."
"Nope. Not at all. Barely an inconvenience"
"Nope. Not at all. Barely an inconvenience"
Posted by: Jreffy at August 08, 2019 05:15 PM (UNQIZ)
66
Need a wide shot of a Southern Virginia Walmart so we can really smell that Trump support
Posted by: USA at August 08, 2019 05:16 PM (lE2nd)
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And how did Russia and Citizen Trump actually get into the computers---or analog machines from the '40's still used in many places--or paper ballots, where applicable--to actually vote for Trump, or change votes for Hillary to votes for Trump?
How was this effected? How much money changed hands? And how? What other considerations were there? And how did Russia and Citizen Trump do all this under the watchful steady gaze of The Obama administration, it's intelligence services, and allied intelligence services such as M16 and the "Five Eyes" consortium? As well as thousands of poll workers, poll watchers, and local security in thousands of locations across the US?
I'd be interested in knowing how the logistics of the election height were worked out. And by whom.
How was this effected? How much money changed hands? And how? What other considerations were there? And how did Russia and Citizen Trump do all this under the watchful steady gaze of The Obama administration, it's intelligence services, and allied intelligence services such as M16 and the "Five Eyes" consortium? As well as thousands of poll workers, poll watchers, and local security in thousands of locations across the US?
I'd be interested in knowing how the logistics of the election height were worked out. And by whom.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2019 05:16 PM (NFEMn)
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ok, let's entrap Papadapolis.
who is he?
some guy who works for trump, barely a functionary.
What's he do, something about Israel and oil...I think.
what's that got to do with Russia?
Russia? We'll just have him meet with people and that's treason.
Is it?
Sure, the easiest way to commit treason is to have foreigners offer to give you intelligence.
Wait, I thought foreign spies worked to GET intelligence.
mmm, I think I know how this works.
who is he?
some guy who works for trump, barely a functionary.
What's he do, something about Israel and oil...I think.
what's that got to do with Russia?
Russia? We'll just have him meet with people and that's treason.
Is it?
Sure, the easiest way to commit treason is to have foreigners offer to give you intelligence.
Wait, I thought foreign spies worked to GET intelligence.
mmm, I think I know how this works.
Posted by: Keto not Beto at August 08, 2019 05:16 PM (JziUy)
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The way the FBI, National Security Division, just embraced the Russians disinfo and opened a cointel investigation sourcing the disinformation. Good circular times.
Posted by: Tom22ndState at August 08, 2019 05:16 PM (R6osy)
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"The Mueller Report is a roadmap to impeachment! We must have hearings and investigations to pursue every last detail of this report!"
"So, we'll interview Julian Assange?"
Whoops!
Whoopsie!
"The Mueller Report is a roadmap to impeachment! We must have hearings and investigations to pursue every last detail of this report!"
"So, we'll interview Julian Assange?"
Whoops!
Whoopsie!
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 08, 2019 05:17 PM (M9ntN)
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I'm dying to know how this collusion between Russia and a private citizen , Donald Trump manifested itself into an electoral win. How was this facilitated? Trump didn't have his hands on any of the levers of power
This is quite a good point.
This is quite a good point.
Posted by: t-bird at August 08, 2019 05:17 PM (g0Lfb)
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>>>"The Mueller Report is a roadmap to impeachment! We must have hearings and investigations to pursue every last detail of this report!"
"So, we'll do some high-tech FBI forensics on the DNC's hard drive instead of just using Crowdstrike's report about it?"
...
yeah that's a good thing to get into.
"I mean, this hack is such a threat to national security we absolutely can NOT rest until we find out who's behind it."
"What should we do?"
"Oh, we should rest. We'll let the Clinton operative firm Crowdstrike do the work for us and submit a report that hides all of the details."
"Well I guess we do need our rest."
"We have to pace ourselves!"
"So, we'll do some high-tech FBI forensics on the DNC's hard drive instead of just using Crowdstrike's report about it?"
...
yeah that's a good thing to get into.
"I mean, this hack is such a threat to national security we absolutely can NOT rest until we find out who's behind it."
"What should we do?"
"Oh, we should rest. We'll let the Clinton operative firm Crowdstrike do the work for us and submit a report that hides all of the details."
"Well I guess we do need our rest."
"We have to pace ourselves!"
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:17 PM (PbpT7)
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since josh lucas hasn't worked in years, I would have him do the part of mark warner, I think he's actually from georgia
Posted by: admiral marcus at August 08, 2019 05:17 PM (x+C/t)
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:17 PM (PbpT7)
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The HBO movie about this will be fact free I'm sure.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 08, 2019 05:18 PM (rxqaT)
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Paging JackStraw. JackStraw, please report to the semi-secret thread immediately. Password is: password.
Posted by: bluebell at August 08, 2019 05:18 PM (aXucN)
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"I know, I'll give Papadapalis $10,000"
why?
"I read somewhere having cash is a crime"
ok, who should do it
"How about some greasy Greek guy and then Peter Strozk can meet Papadapa when he comes back to the USA with the cash. boom. we got him. he'll squeal on trump for sure"
squeal about what?
"huh?"
Why would he squeal?
"because he has cash coming into America, he'll do anything to avoid going to prison"
what if he just stashes the money in Greece and comes back without it.
"why would he do that"
why?
"I read somewhere having cash is a crime"
ok, who should do it
"How about some greasy Greek guy and then Peter Strozk can meet Papadapa when he comes back to the USA with the cash. boom. we got him. he'll squeal on trump for sure"
squeal about what?
"huh?"
Why would he squeal?
"because he has cash coming into America, he'll do anything to avoid going to prison"
what if he just stashes the money in Greece and comes back without it.
"why would he do that"
Posted by: Keto not Beto at August 08, 2019 05:19 PM (JziUy)
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note to self: "17 intelligence agencies agree"
note to self: Russian bots. Maybe have the DNC Guy accidentally speak russian for a couple of sentences, then stop himself, and explain he has a cold.
note to self: bleach bit, all of Hillary's stuff. This will have to be an entirely separate Pitch Meeting, pitching how to immunize and bury evidence about Hillary Clinton.
note to self: Russian bots. Maybe have the DNC Guy accidentally speak russian for a couple of sentences, then stop himself, and explain he has a cold.
note to self: bleach bit, all of Hillary's stuff. This will have to be an entirely separate Pitch Meeting, pitching how to immunize and bury evidence about Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:19 PM (PbpT7)
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it would have been hilarious if the Russians before the election publicized classified documents that proved they had hacked into Hillary's email service.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at August 08, 2019 05:19 PM (ZqRa6)
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In an agency with 42,000 employees,
Ten people are responsible for investigating Hilary.
And then THE SAME ten people are responsible for investigating Trump.
What are the odds???
Ten people are responsible for investigating Hilary.
And then THE SAME ten people are responsible for investigating Trump.
What are the odds???
Posted by: Haley's Butter Biscuit at August 08, 2019 05:19 PM (1llau)
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74 note to self: FaceBook ads
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facebook ads are tight.
but what if they're after the election took place.
huh?
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facebook ads are tight.
but what if they're after the election took place.
huh?
Posted by: Keto not Beto at August 08, 2019 05:20 PM (JziUy)
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or will paton, thinking of the coach from remember the titans, of course warner also used this same guy to keep in contact with julian Assange, who thirty years ago would have been tobin bell, yes the guy who was a conduit for the emails, was in almost direct contact with the senator, not manafort
Posted by: admiral marcus at August 08, 2019 05:20 PM (x+C/t)
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"Trump colluded with Russians and here are eleven indictments to prove it!"
"So, we'll prosecute the crap out of Concord Management and Consulting, right?"
Whoops!
Whoopsie!
"Trump colluded with Russians and here are eleven indictments to prove it!"
"So, we'll prosecute the crap out of Concord Management and Consulting, right?"
Whoops!
Whoopsie!
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 08, 2019 05:21 PM (M9ntN)
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>>>In an agency with 42,000 employees,
Ten people are responsible for investigating Hilary.
And then THE SAME ten people are responsible for investigating Trump.
...
good point.
"Isn't that a conflict of interest?"
"I don't know what 'conflict of interest' means, sir."
"It means you have interests which are in conflict with each other."
"Oh right. In that case, there'll be a WHOLE lot of conflicts of interests here."
Ten people are responsible for investigating Hilary.
And then THE SAME ten people are responsible for investigating Trump.
...
good point.
"Isn't that a conflict of interest?"
"I don't know what 'conflict of interest' means, sir."
"It means you have interests which are in conflict with each other."
"Oh right. In that case, there'll be a WHOLE lot of conflicts of interests here."
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:21 PM (PbpT7)
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no the premise is that he's pitching it as an actual DNC/DOJ/IC operation, not as a movie.
I bet the executive doesn't know that.
I bet the executive doesn't know that.
Posted by: t-bird at August 08, 2019 05:21 PM (Ydn2k)
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I would also be interested in how Russia feels about their role in the installation of Donald Trump as president of the US. Are they happy? Are their foreign policy objectives being met? Do they find their business interests in the field of energy and weapons productions satisfactory?
Do they have any regrets? Are they happy with Trump? And if not, why doesn't he resign?
Do they have any regrets? Are they happy with Trump? And if not, why doesn't he resign?
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2019 05:21 PM (NFEMn)
Posted by: Keto not Beto at August 08, 2019 05:21 PM (JziUy)
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Here's a good whoops on the start of the investigation: Josef Mifsud supposedly started the ball rolling by telling Papadopolous about the hacked emails. Later, the FBI interviews Mifsud and he lies through his teeth about everything. Papadopolous also lies about the Mifsud meeting, changing the dates. Papadopolous gets charged, convicted, serves sentence. Nothing happens to Mifsud. Why:
Mr. Mueller: "I can't get into the evidentiary filings." Mueller said.
Jordan asked, "When the Special Counsel's Office interviewed Mifsud, did he lie to you guys too?"
"Can't get into that."
"Did you interview Mifsud?"
"Can't get into that."
"Is Mifsud Western intelligence or Russian intelligence?"
"Can't get into that."
Realclearinvestigations https://bit.ly/31xnsJf
Mr. Mueller: "I can't get into the evidentiary filings." Mueller said.
Jordan asked, "When the Special Counsel's Office interviewed Mifsud, did he lie to you guys too?"
"Can't get into that."
"Did you interview Mifsud?"
"Can't get into that."
"Is Mifsud Western intelligence or Russian intelligence?"
"Can't get into that."
Realclearinvestigations https://bit.ly/31xnsJf
Posted by: motionview at August 08, 2019 05:23 PM (pYQR/)
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"I mean, this hack is such a threat to national security we absolutely can NOT rest until we find out who's behind it."
"What should we do?"
"Oh, we should rest. We'll let the Clinton operative firm Crowdstrike do the work for us and submit a report that hides all of the details."
"Well I guess we do need our rest."
"We have to pace ourselves!"
Posted by: ace
======
Pure Dilbert, lol.
"I mean, this hack is such a threat to national security we absolutely can NOT rest until we find out who's behind it."
"What should we do?"
"Oh, we should rest. We'll let the Clinton operative firm Crowdstrike do the work for us and submit a report that hides all of the details."
"Well I guess we do need our rest."
"We have to pace ourselves!"
Posted by: ace
======
Pure Dilbert, lol.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 08, 2019 05:23 PM (M9ntN)
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:23 PM (PbpT7)
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>>Perhaps a retro look at how FBI contractors had been data mining the NSA data base since 2012? to conduct surveillance against political opponents? Nicely summed up by the FISA chief judge Rosemary Collier in an April 2017 finding by the court.
To this day I'll never understand why that hasn't gotten more play. She flat out said the Obama administration had been breaking the law and illegally spying on Americans almost since day 1.
You'd think someone might have thought, say this could be something!
To this day I'll never understand why that hasn't gotten more play. She flat out said the Obama administration had been breaking the law and illegally spying on Americans almost since day 1.
You'd think someone might have thought, say this could be something!
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2019 05:23 PM (ZLI7S)
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Collusion is a real banger! Yeet!
Posted by: Hitlers Magic 8 Ball at August 08, 2019 05:23 PM (I7Qz+)
93
Wow, compiling this coup is like identifying 10,000 points of light.
Posted by: Tom22ndState at August 08, 2019 05:24 PM (R6osy)
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anyway, if Hillary had won, the Russian oligarchs would have been throwing fat speaking fees at Bill (and probably Chelsea) and tons of money at the Clinton Foundations.
Nah, wouldn't work, you can't bribe people like the Clintons.
Nah, wouldn't work, you can't bribe people like the Clintons.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at August 08, 2019 05:24 PM (ZqRa6)
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thanks, motionview. That's definitely a thing I want to focus on in the first one.
Though the first one might now be the second one. I think I have to do the Hillary Clinton Emails first.
Though the first one might now be the second one. I think I have to do the Hillary Clinton Emails first.
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:24 PM (PbpT7)
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"So then the media reports that George Papadopolous was held for ten hours in an airport because he was smuggling money from his Russian paymasters!"
"Oh my God, that sounds incredibly serious. That's Light Treason!"
"Yeah... but it turns out he didn't actually have the money. He left it back in Greece with his lawyer."
"Uh okay. Wait, if the money came from Russia yet never actually made it onto the plane, how did they know he was trying to bring money over?"
"I don't know!"
"Wait wait wait, isn't the surest way for them to know that is if the money came from them, but they lied and said it was Russian?"
"Ergh..."
"Isn't framing someone with completely false charges an indictable offense?"
"Gonna need you to get allll the way off my back, here."
"Oh my God, that sounds incredibly serious. That's Light Treason!"
"Yeah... but it turns out he didn't actually have the money. He left it back in Greece with his lawyer."
"Uh okay. Wait, if the money came from Russia yet never actually made it onto the plane, how did they know he was trying to bring money over?"
"I don't know!"
"Wait wait wait, isn't the surest way for them to know that is if the money came from them, but they lied and said it was Russian?"
"Ergh..."
"Isn't framing someone with completely false charges an indictable offense?"
"Gonna need you to get allll the way off my back, here."
Posted by: trev006 at August 08, 2019 05:24 PM (Zg8aJ)
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Keto not Beto: The $10,000 payoff is just Barney Fife level gold-plated asshattery.
Posted by: motionview at August 08, 2019 05:24 PM (pYQR/)
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To this day I'll never understand why that hasn't gotten more play.
--
it's a fucking mystery that is.
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it's a fucking mystery that is.
Posted by: Keto not Beto at August 08, 2019 05:24 PM (JziUy)
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Pitch Guy: So.. this Papadopoulos guy working for the Trump campaign..
young? Single?
FBI Exec: Both!
PG: Honeypot!
PG: Our friend in London, Halper has a cute teaching assistant.. we have them invite Papadopoulos to make a speech, she ends up having drinks with him and lets slip the Russians have Hillary's emails.
Papadopoulos then mentions it to Australian ambassador Downer who we will also arrange to have drinks with him.
Downer reports it back to us, and we've come full circle! A verifiable, trusted foreign source reports Papadopoulos has insider info on Russian assets!
FBI: Kinda flimsy if you ask me.
PG: It might just be enough to get the ball rolling on an investigation with taps, etc.?
FBI : It just might.. It just might..
.................
I think they way they got this thing rolling with made up shit pulled right out if their asses was the most amazing - and unbelievable if you were going to write a movie about it - part of the whole affair.
young? Single?
FBI Exec: Both!
PG: Honeypot!
PG: Our friend in London, Halper has a cute teaching assistant.. we have them invite Papadopoulos to make a speech, she ends up having drinks with him and lets slip the Russians have Hillary's emails.
Papadopoulos then mentions it to Australian ambassador Downer who we will also arrange to have drinks with him.
Downer reports it back to us, and we've come full circle! A verifiable, trusted foreign source reports Papadopoulos has insider info on Russian assets!
FBI: Kinda flimsy if you ask me.
PG: It might just be enough to get the ball rolling on an investigation with taps, etc.?
FBI : It just might.. It just might..
.................
I think they way they got this thing rolling with made up shit pulled right out if their asses was the most amazing - and unbelievable if you were going to write a movie about it - part of the whole affair.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 08, 2019 05:24 PM (so+oy)
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note to self: Unmasking
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:25 PM (PbpT7)
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Crack investigative team meets late at night scratching their heads b/c giant hole in their Russia collusion report. Young Investigator, bored, picks up WashPost. Sr. Investigator screams, "That's it!" Confused faces all around. Sr. Investigator dials contact at paper to "leak" facts they needs. Hangs up phone. Points to Young Investigator, "This Xim deserves a raise!"
Posted by: USA at August 08, 2019 05:25 PM (lE2nd)
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Are Peter Strzok and Lisa Page foreign spies. Are they really lovers? Is Page sexually satisfied? Did Strzok give her orgasms? And if yes, were they of the clitoral or vaginal variety? Or was she unsatisfied and merely went along in the interests of the mission?
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2019 05:25 PM (NFEMn)
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"We'll have the wife of one of the operatives, who happens to work for GPS as a Russian expert get the information they need and give it to her hubby in the FBI, CIA, whatever."
"Sounds good. As long as she's hot"
"How will she get the info to him, we already did texts with the star-crossed lovers?"
"We'll have her get a ham radio license "
"Smart. So She's smart and hot. Love it!"
"Sounds good. As long as she's hot"
"How will she get the info to him, we already did texts with the star-crossed lovers?"
"We'll have her get a ham radio license "
"Smart. So She's smart and hot. Love it!"
Posted by: Lily, formerly of Hot Air now of AoSHQ, Assassin in the Night, not an NPC at August 08, 2019 05:25 PM (hBqmU)
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note to self: Obama's order making it legal to share unmasked identities with enough people that it could be leaked without fingerprints
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:25 PM (PbpT7)
105
The server was hacked by Russians
Really, how do you know?
Oh, a firm with connections to George Soros told us in a redacted report.
Wait, you never saw the server?
No, no but we believe Hillary and company because they know a lot about servers.
Really, how do you know?
Oh, a firm with connections to George Soros told us in a redacted report.
Wait, you never saw the server?
No, no but we believe Hillary and company because they know a lot about servers.
Posted by: dagny at August 08, 2019 05:25 PM (nRWPy)
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>>thanks, motionview. That's definitely a thing I want to focus on in the first one.
The investigation didn't start with Papadopoulus. He was used to justify an investigation that had already started. Illegally.
ace, if you want to really get ahead of the curve look to Ukraine.
The investigation didn't start with Papadopoulus. He was used to justify an investigation that had already started. Illegally.
ace, if you want to really get ahead of the curve look to Ukraine.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2019 05:26 PM (ZLI7S)
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Again, that guy Mifsud - its a weird name, if it gets out, everyone will think he's Russian.
"But he's really CIA, right""
"Oh, well natch, that's why he'll do what we ask him to do. He's great at playing a Russian agent, been doing it for years for us."
"What about his target, Pappa-something?"
"Yeah, isn't it great? Weird sounding, foreign name. No one will believe him. Besides, no one will ever find out about this, we planted $10,000 on him, he'll never suspect we've got agents waiting for him at the airport. As soon as he lands, BAM! we've got him, and then he'll say anything we want."
"Aren't you worried about Mifsud, though?"
"Him? He's in Italy, and we paid him enough to stay hidden for a long time. Our friends in the Italian Govm't are helping us there, no one will ever talk to him about anything. Forget about him!"
"But he's really CIA, right""
"Oh, well natch, that's why he'll do what we ask him to do. He's great at playing a Russian agent, been doing it for years for us."
"What about his target, Pappa-something?"
"Yeah, isn't it great? Weird sounding, foreign name. No one will believe him. Besides, no one will ever find out about this, we planted $10,000 on him, he'll never suspect we've got agents waiting for him at the airport. As soon as he lands, BAM! we've got him, and then he'll say anything we want."
"Aren't you worried about Mifsud, though?"
"Him? He's in Italy, and we paid him enough to stay hidden for a long time. Our friends in the Italian Govm't are helping us there, no one will ever talk to him about anything. Forget about him!"
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 08, 2019 05:26 PM (Kpl3J)
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We're those Brennan's contractors who mined the passport files?
Posted by: Jean at August 08, 2019 05:26 PM (iBXYq)
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For me the first thing which didn't pass the smell test was the sudden conversion by the Democrat party, including it's progressive wing, to JBS-style, 1950s "Ruskies under your bed" hysteria.
But I'd also like to know who it was who did unauthorized unmaskings with Samantha Powers' security clearance.
But I'd also like to know who it was who did unauthorized unmaskings with Samantha Powers' security clearance.
Posted by: Jummy at August 08, 2019 05:26 PM (a3j0Z)
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>>Perhaps a retro look at how FBI contractors had been data mining the NSA data base since 2012? to conduct surveillance against political opponents? Nicely summed up by the FISA chief judge Rosemary Collier in an April 2017 finding by the court.
To this day I'll never understand why that hasn't gotten more play. She flat out said the Obama administration had been breaking the law and illegally spying on Americans almost since day 1.
...
i'm not familiar with this at all... how could I work that in? Would it fit in with the hillary stuff or the origins of the investigation stuff?
To this day I'll never understand why that hasn't gotten more play. She flat out said the Obama administration had been breaking the law and illegally spying on Americans almost since day 1.
...
i'm not familiar with this at all... how could I work that in? Would it fit in with the hillary stuff or the origins of the investigation stuff?
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:26 PM (PbpT7)
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"Uh okay. Wait, if the money came from Russia yet never actually made it onto the plane, how did they know he was trying to bring money over?"
"I don't know!"
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we better put our best guy on that
"who"
peter strzok
"won't that raise suspicions"
no, we're too smart for that.
"oh right!"
"I don't know!"
---
we better put our best guy on that
"who"
peter strzok
"won't that raise suspicions"
no, we're too smart for that.
"oh right!"
Posted by: Keto not Beto at August 08, 2019 05:26 PM (JziUy)
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On the Clinton emails, have to have the fact that the lawyer for the guy that destroyed Hillary's Blackberry with a hammer somehow ends up working for Mueller. It's just a small world!
Posted by: motionview at August 08, 2019 05:26 PM (pYQR/)
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What if the people we hire to investigate come up with a finding that doesn't at least imply that Trump is guilty of an impeachable crime?
That's ok, we'll just, ya know, hire 30 Democrats who hate his guts.
That's ok, we'll just, ya know, hire 30 Democrats who hate his guts.
Posted by: ... at August 08, 2019 05:27 PM (uEbPt)
Posted by: dagny at August 08, 2019 05:27 PM (nRWPy)
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>>>The investigation didn't start with Papadopoulus. He was used to justify an investigation that had already started. Illegally.
right, I want to do a LOT of stuff on the DNC Guy who will keep changing his story about how to start the probe.
right, I want to do a LOT of stuff on the DNC Guy who will keep changing his story about how to start the probe.
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:27 PM (PbpT7)
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So your telling me you want to have a known germ-a-phobe have prostitutes piss on his bed and then have sex with him?
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at August 08, 2019 05:27 PM (a48q1)
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Ace,
I want to go back to the biggest gap. Remember when Brennan tried to sell the idea that the entire IC agreed with the collusion nonsense? And the NSA wouldn't?
Kind of a big tell if the sigint vacuums had nothing and please note that in this entire saga, there had not been a single piece of electronic evidence. Not one.
I want to go back to the biggest gap. Remember when Brennan tried to sell the idea that the entire IC agreed with the collusion nonsense? And the NSA wouldn't?
Kind of a big tell if the sigint vacuums had nothing and please note that in this entire saga, there had not been a single piece of electronic evidence. Not one.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 08, 2019 05:28 PM (XrCyE)
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104 note to self: Obama's order making it legal to share unmasked identities with enough people that it could be leaked without fingerprints
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what about samantha "the human raisin" powers?
perfect!
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what about samantha "the human raisin" powers?
perfect!
Posted by: Keto not Beto at August 08, 2019 05:28 PM (JziUy)
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I think Stroke worked Page like a contact. I wasn't love, he was controlling his oversight.
Posted by: Jean at August 08, 2019 05:28 PM (iBXYq)
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Since Adm Mike Rogers suspended FBI contractors from accessing the NSA data base in March 2016, the FBI were desperate to restart their surveillance and more importantly gain retro approval with a title 1 FISA warrant to cover their asses. The two hop rule from Carter Page would ensure the entire campaign was monitored.
Posted by: Tom22ndState at August 08, 2019 05:28 PM (R6osy)
Posted by: dagny at August 08, 2019 05:28 PM (nRWPy)
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One of the most important aspects is that the FBI - without question - had derogatory information on Christopher Steele before they signed off on the first FISA warrant. This is critical because the application for the warrant said they had no such information. That is a huge NO-NO for a law enforcement agent to get caught lying on a warrant application.
They got that information from Kavelak (SP?) at the state department - who pointed out that despite Steele's claim, Trump's lawyer had never been to Prague, and that Steele told her that the Russian operation was being run out the Russian Consulate in Miami. There is no Russian Consulate in Miami. She also told the FBI that Steele's sources for the stories were two Russian dis-information officers near to Putin.
All of that uncovered in FOIA lawsuits against the FBI who was trying to hide it.
They got that information from Kavelak (SP?) at the state department - who pointed out that despite Steele's claim, Trump's lawyer had never been to Prague, and that Steele told her that the Russian operation was being run out the Russian Consulate in Miami. There is no Russian Consulate in Miami. She also told the FBI that Steele's sources for the stories were two Russian dis-information officers near to Putin.
All of that uncovered in FOIA lawsuits against the FBI who was trying to hide it.
Posted by: An Observation at August 08, 2019 05:28 PM (O21bI)
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I want someone to ask Brennan, Comey, Clapper and the heads of the other 14 or so intelligence agencies, what the fuck they were doing while all this colluding with Russia was going on under their watch.
Too far out there?
Too far out there?
Posted by: huerfano at August 08, 2019 05:28 PM (6e1eX)
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sam shepherd's dead, so he can't reprise his role from swordfish, where he double crossed Travolta's Gabriel speer character. now then there's another character this George nader, an oily creepy guy, who they cited 100 times in the mueller report, because he had contact with the uae (wait this was supposed to be about Russia) he bought weapons from their to sell to the Iraqis, as soon as he's no longer useful they charge him with child pornography. oh he was working with cody shearer back in the 80s on some arab American magazine,
Posted by: admiral marcus at August 08, 2019 05:28 PM (x+C/t)
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That makes about as much sense as Lady Thor
That makes about as much sense as Lady Thor
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at August 08, 2019 05:29 PM (a48q1)
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"Wait, I don't understand. We're accusing Trump of treason for having a meeting with a Russian to get dirt, and we're using a guy who's meeting with a whole lot of Russians to get dirt?"
"That's right, sir!"
"But how are we going to explain that?"
"We're just not going to talk about it."
"I think we have to talk about it."
"No, we'll just never talk about it. We'll just pretend it's not a thing because we need it not to be."
"Can that work?"
"Well we're also not going to mention the Democrat Party's 70 year history of supporting Russia, so sure, just throw it on the pile!"
"That's right, sir!"
"But how are we going to explain that?"
"We're just not going to talk about it."
"I think we have to talk about it."
"No, we'll just never talk about it. We'll just pretend it's not a thing because we need it not to be."
"Can that work?"
"Well we're also not going to mention the Democrat Party's 70 year history of supporting Russia, so sure, just throw it on the pile!"
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:29 PM (PbpT7)
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But wouldn't they need to get PapaD to commit some type of crime to get leverage over him so they could force him to flip on Trump, wear a wire, or compose false testimony?
No. Not at all. Barely an inconvenience. We will just have a know CIA asset give him $10,000 in cash (the exact amount of cash that it is a felony to bring into the country) while he is outside the country.
But what if instead of bringing it into the country he leaves it will a lawyer in Greece?
Whoops!
Whoopsie!
No. Not at all. Barely an inconvenience. We will just have a know CIA asset give him $10,000 in cash (the exact amount of cash that it is a felony to bring into the country) while he is outside the country.
But what if instead of bringing it into the country he leaves it will a lawyer in Greece?
Whoops!
Whoopsie!
Posted by: tommylotto at August 08, 2019 05:29 PM (dYinJ)
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In his Senate testimony, Glen Simpson claims he and McCain's man, David Kramer, are long time acquaintances (bl he used "friends" type word, but not that exact word.) But, in Kramer's BuzzFeed deposition, he claimed he never met Simpson until Simpson handed him the Dossier. Kramer refused to testify to Congress and invoked the Fifth A to not appear.
Posted by: Ever at August 08, 2019 05:30 PM (kkVtg)
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>>i'm not familiar with this at all... how could I work that in? Would it fit in with the hillary stuff or the origins of the investigation stuff?
It's really kind of a foundation piece. Her report was in response to Admiral Rogers finding the FISA 702 abuse and shutting it down in the fall of 2016.
Collier did a deep dive and concluded that the illegal spying on America citizen went back to at least 2012. In a very rare move, Dan Coats declassified it in the spring of 2017 and it was promptly ignored by almost everyone.
Also, in the fall of 2016, the Obama administration quietly went to the FISC and admitted that they had been abusing the FISA process. Once again, the media pretty much ignored it because, well we all know why, but it was an amazing admission.
It's really kind of a foundation piece. Her report was in response to Admiral Rogers finding the FISA 702 abuse and shutting it down in the fall of 2016.
Collier did a deep dive and concluded that the illegal spying on America citizen went back to at least 2012. In a very rare move, Dan Coats declassified it in the spring of 2017 and it was promptly ignored by almost everyone.
Also, in the fall of 2016, the Obama administration quietly went to the FISC and admitted that they had been abusing the FISA process. Once again, the media pretty much ignored it because, well we all know why, but it was an amazing admission.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2019 05:31 PM (ZLI7S)
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This whole thing reads like a Tom Clancy novel.
Posted by: dantesed at August 08, 2019 05:31 PM (88xKn)
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Need a papadopolous of cash in a briefcase
Posted by: USA at August 08, 2019 05:31 PM (lE2nd)
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carter page, like mr neutron (ht monty python) is so dangerous they issued four different fisa warrants on him, yet haven't charged him with anything,
Of course had the Russians hired carter page, they rosneft deal wouldn't be this rolling dumpster fire,
Of course had the Russians hired carter page, they rosneft deal wouldn't be this rolling dumpster fire,
Posted by: admiral marcus at August 08, 2019 05:31 PM (x+C/t)
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Perhaps during the desperate time when they were seeking to obtain the FISA warrant based on squat, a backstory could be inserted?
Perhaps during the desperate time when they were seeking to obtain the FISA warrant based on squat, a backstory could be inserted?
Posted by: Tom22ndState at August 08, 2019 05:32 PM (R6osy)
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"This federal judge who's presiding over a case against some Russian troll farms says Mueller's suggestive language in his report is going to prejudice juries into thinking they were working for the Kremlin and Mueller had better get his ass out in public and mitigate that."
"Okay, we'll have him make a weird, nine-minute appearance in which he says nothing new but he does make a point to stress that the Russians he indicted were private entities and presumed innocent."
(a few months later, in a Congressional hearing...)
"Mr. Mueller, did you make that weird nine-minute appearance in which you looked fucking scared because of something that judge said to you about your shitty, suggestive report?"
"Uh, no."
"Really?"
Here comes the fantasy part:
(a few months later...)
"You're being charged with perjury, Mr. Mueller."
Whoops!
Whoopsie!
"This federal judge who's presiding over a case against some Russian troll farms says Mueller's suggestive language in his report is going to prejudice juries into thinking they were working for the Kremlin and Mueller had better get his ass out in public and mitigate that."
"Okay, we'll have him make a weird, nine-minute appearance in which he says nothing new but he does make a point to stress that the Russians he indicted were private entities and presumed innocent."
(a few months later, in a Congressional hearing...)
"Mr. Mueller, did you make that weird nine-minute appearance in which you looked fucking scared because of something that judge said to you about your shitty, suggestive report?"
"Uh, no."
"Really?"
Here comes the fantasy part:
(a few months later...)
"You're being charged with perjury, Mr. Mueller."
Whoops!
Whoopsie!
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 08, 2019 05:32 PM (M9ntN)
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I want someone to ask Brennan, Comey, Clapper and the heads of the other 14 or so intelligence agencies, what the fuck they were doing while all this colluding with Russia was going on under their watch.
Too far out there?
Posted by: huerfano at August 08, 2019 05:28 PM (6e1eX)
This along with the fact that it's virtually impossible to steal an election in the way IMPLIED are the two double-barreled shotgun holes in the corpse of Russian Collusion.
Too far out there?
Posted by: huerfano at August 08, 2019 05:28 PM (6e1eX)
This along with the fact that it's virtually impossible to steal an election in the way IMPLIED are the two double-barreled shotgun holes in the corpse of Russian Collusion.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2019 05:32 PM (NFEMn)
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Following up on JackStraw's comment on Ukraine, it turns out that the FBI knew that the "black cash ledger" that supposedly incriminated Manafort was pure garbage. They knew they could not introduce that ledger itself into any pleadings or warrant applications. We need that search warrant, what to do, what to do? Hey, let's introduce a news story that talks about the black cash ledger. We're not vouching for that forgery, just relying on a news story that makes the allegations. John Solomon at the Hill: https://bit.ly/2KxwAsV
Posted by: motionview at August 08, 2019 05:32 PM (pYQR/)
Posted by: musical mountaineer at August 08, 2019 05:33 PM (U4Zl1)
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Is there any way to work Anna Chapman into the pitch meeting?
Posted by: Furious George at August 08, 2019 05:33 PM (9vQJW)
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Yes! Let's get Downer, a Clinton Foundation donor, to be the recipient of the "knowledge" that the Russians obviously have Hillary's emails. Except he waits months to say anything so no one thinks it's fishy.
Posted by: dagny at August 08, 2019 05:33 PM (nRWPy)
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in the fall of 2016, the Obama administration quietly went to the FISC and admitted that they had been abusing the FISA process. Once again, the media pretty much ignored it because, well we all know why, but it was an amazing admission.
Posted by: JackStraw
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Wait, what? I missed that.
in the fall of 2016, the Obama administration quietly went to the FISC and admitted that they had been abusing the FISA process. Once again, the media pretty much ignored it because, well we all know why, but it was an amazing admission.
Posted by: JackStraw
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Wait, what? I missed that.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 08, 2019 05:33 PM (M9ntN)
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in the fall of 2016, the Obama administration quietly went to the FISC and admitted that they had been abusing the FISA process. Once again, the media pretty much ignored it because, well we all know why, but it was an amazing admission.
Posted by: JackStraw
What?
Posted by: JackStraw
What?
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2019 05:34 PM (NFEMn)
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ace, do you remember writing a post a while back about a whistleblower at the DOD Office of Net Assessment? He was canned when he blew the whistle on what he believed was a contractor being paid a huge amount of money to prepare a couple reports that were largely worthless.
The contractor made hundreds of thousands of dollars in a very short amount of time and it made no sense ye the whistleblower was the guy who was punished.
That contractor just happened to be Stefan Halper.
The contractor made hundreds of thousands of dollars in a very short amount of time and it made no sense ye the whistleblower was the guy who was punished.
That contractor just happened to be Stefan Halper.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2019 05:34 PM (ZLI7S)
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Peter Strzok LOOKS Russian.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2019 05:35 PM (NFEMn)
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If Clancy drank like Ted Kennedy (D-Speyside)
If Clancy drank like Ted Kennedy (D-Speyside)
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at August 08, 2019 05:35 PM (a48q1)
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Hey ACE,
This is probably the best run down, so far, of the information out there.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/spygate-the-true-story-of-collusion_2684629.html
It's from July 30 this year so it is their most up to date chronology.
This is probably the best run down, so far, of the information out there.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/spygate-the-true-story-of-collusion_2684629.html
It's from July 30 this year so it is their most up to date chronology.
Posted by: Spiff the Spaceman at August 08, 2019 05:35 PM (+tUWj)
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>>>142 ace, do you remember writing a post a while back about a whistleblower at the DOD Office of Net Assessment? He was canned when he blew the whistle on what he believed was a contractor being paid a huge amount of money to prepare a couple reports that were largely worthless.
The contractor made hundreds of thousands of dollars in a very short amount of time and it made no sense ye the whistleblower was the guy who was punished.
That contractor just happened to be Stefan Halper.
...
yes... I think I might have met that guy.
The contractor made hundreds of thousands of dollars in a very short amount of time and it made no sense ye the whistleblower was the guy who was punished.
That contractor just happened to be Stefan Halper.
...
yes... I think I might have met that guy.
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:35 PM (PbpT7)
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i'm not familiar with this at all... how could I work that in?
It's kind of the whole reason. The Deep State was never supposed to lose again.
"Super easy. We'll just accuse him of everything we've been doing for years. It's a long list."
"Ooh, projection is tight!"
It's kind of the whole reason. The Deep State was never supposed to lose again.
"Super easy. We'll just accuse him of everything we've been doing for years. It's a long list."
"Ooh, projection is tight!"
Posted by: t-bird at August 08, 2019 05:35 PM (Z1eux)
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>>> Hey ACE,
This is probably the best run down, so far, of the information out there.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/spygate-the-true-story-of-collusion_2684629.html
thanks!
This is probably the best run down, so far, of the information out there.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/spygate-the-true-story-of-collusion_2684629.html
thanks!
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:36 PM (PbpT7)
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I like the part about Obama expelling Russian diplomats last few weeks of his reign because, he was, get this, trying to protect the United States.
Posted by: Ripley at August 08, 2019 05:36 PM (MxEKc)
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Entrapment is tight!
Posted by: tommylotto at August 08, 2019 05:36 PM (dYinJ)
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"Okay, We have got it made! Manafort! Trump hired Manafort, we got dirt on him going all the way back to when he did all that dealing in Ukraine!"
"But Trump wasn't even in politics during that Ukraine campaign, was he?"
"Not a problem! No one pays attention to dates!!!!"
"But wasn't Manafort all tied in with that Podesta guy? You know, the brother of Hillary's campaign manager?"
"Well yeah, where do you think all the dirt we got on him came from?"
Well, won't people just make the link that Hillary's people were doing the same thing at the same time?"
"Listen, I'm gonna need you to get all the way off my back here! That ain't gonna happen! It just won't."
"Well Ok then!"
"But Trump wasn't even in politics during that Ukraine campaign, was he?"
"Not a problem! No one pays attention to dates!!!!"
"But wasn't Manafort all tied in with that Podesta guy? You know, the brother of Hillary's campaign manager?"
"Well yeah, where do you think all the dirt we got on him came from?"
Well, won't people just make the link that Hillary's people were doing the same thing at the same time?"
"Listen, I'm gonna need you to get all the way off my back here! That ain't gonna happen! It just won't."
"Well Ok then!"
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 08, 2019 05:37 PM (Kpl3J)
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Any other people we can squeeze on trump's team?
"well, manafort's been in DC for a while"
oh then he probably broke a law once, he might be hiding something.
"actually, he worked with the fbi in 2013 detailing how he got paid from the Ukraine"
well, that sounds like something putin's puppet would do.
"I'm not sure which side he was helping tho"
maybe we could use his voluntary stuff from 2013 as a crime.
"wouldn't that be wrong?"
hjahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha
"I know, I kill me!"
"well, manafort's been in DC for a while"
oh then he probably broke a law once, he might be hiding something.
"actually, he worked with the fbi in 2013 detailing how he got paid from the Ukraine"
well, that sounds like something putin's puppet would do.
"I'm not sure which side he was helping tho"
maybe we could use his voluntary stuff from 2013 as a crime.
"wouldn't that be wrong?"
hjahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha
"I know, I kill me!"
Posted by: Keto not Beto at August 08, 2019 05:38 PM (JziUy)
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All I want is Hillary shitting her Depends on election night. Maybe that would be a good beginning.
Posted by: Sooner at August 08, 2019 05:38 PM (Fa2km)
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"Is there any way to work Anna Chapman into the pitch meeting?
Posted by: Furious George "
Or Stormy Daniels?
Posted by: Furious George "
Or Stormy Daniels?
Posted by: Ripley at August 08, 2019 05:38 PM (MxEKc)
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Sechin, probably played by peter firth, who runs the second largest oil company in Russia, used to be kgb in Mozambique, which is one of the carpier assignments,
btw mueller went after the dutch son in law of a Russian oligarch, who worked in the London office of skadden arps, along with manaforts daughter, why was this particular oligarch important because, the father had sued glenn simpson, for insinuations in the steele dossier,
btw mueller went after the dutch son in law of a Russian oligarch, who worked in the London office of skadden arps, along with manaforts daughter, why was this particular oligarch important because, the father had sued glenn simpson, for insinuations in the steele dossier,
Posted by: admiral marcus at August 08, 2019 05:39 PM (x+C/t)
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note to self: Unmasking
Posted by: ace
======
Another huge one. Take down that bitch.
"We're horribly concerned about the totalitarian Trump in the White House. Lord knows how he'll abuse the levers of power!"
"You mean like Samantha Power? Didn't she unmask a subject per day in the last weeks of her employment in the Obama administration?"
Whoops!
Whoopsie!
note to self: Unmasking
Posted by: ace
======
Another huge one. Take down that bitch.
"We're horribly concerned about the totalitarian Trump in the White House. Lord knows how he'll abuse the levers of power!"
"You mean like Samantha Power? Didn't she unmask a subject per day in the last weeks of her employment in the Obama administration?"
Whoops!
Whoopsie!
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 08, 2019 05:39 PM (M9ntN)
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I would also pay attention to the ongoing money laundering scandal that has been taking down banks throughout Europe for the last year or so.
It was specifically about Russia laundering huge amounts of cash through these banks including Deutsche Bank and Danske. It ties into the Panama Papers release from a few years back and I am convinced to the corrupt Obama administration and Hillary.
It was specifically about Russia laundering huge amounts of cash through these banks including Deutsche Bank and Danske. It ties into the Panama Papers release from a few years back and I am convinced to the corrupt Obama administration and Hillary.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2019 05:40 PM (ZLI7S)
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The contractor made hundreds of thousands of dollars in a very short amount of time and it made no sense ye the whistleblower was the guy who was punished.
That contractor just happened to be Stefan Halper.
...
yes... I think I might have met that guy.
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:35 PM (PbpT7)
No it wasn't! That little girl was ME!!!
That contractor just happened to be Stefan Halper.
...
yes... I think I might have met that guy.
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:35 PM (PbpT7)
No it wasn't! That little girl was ME!!!
Posted by: Kameltoe Harris at August 08, 2019 05:40 PM (Kpl3J)
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If you want to know what else was screwy too this piece on the 702 abuse is extremely informative.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/nsa-director-rogers-disclosed-fisa-abuse- days-after-carter- page-fisa-was-issued_2692033.html
pay particular attention to the 99-page FISA court ruling on April 26, 2017. Should be the third link in the article. Judge Rosemary Collyer did an excellent job of informing people that the 702 abuse had been happening for several years and likley extended back into 2011. Yes that's right around the time Romney was running against Obama. Pet theory of mine is that the Obama admin abused it then to spy on Romney campaign as well.
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https://www.theepochtimes.com/nsa-director-rogers-disclosed-fisa-abuse- days-after-carter- page-fisa-was-issued_2692033.html
pay particular attention to the 99-page FISA court ruling on April 26, 2017. Should be the third link in the article. Judge Rosemary Collyer did an excellent job of informing people that the 702 abuse had been happening for several years and likley extended back into 2011. Yes that's right around the time Romney was running against Obama. Pet theory of mine is that the Obama admin abused it then to spy on Romney campaign as well.
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Posted by: Spiff the Spaceman at August 08, 2019 05:41 PM (+tUWj)
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"I thought lying on a FISA application was difficult!"
"Actually it was SUPER EASY, barely an inconvenience! You just get the Head of the FBI to sign it and it sails right through!"
"Actually it was SUPER EASY, barely an inconvenience! You just get the Head of the FBI to sign it and it sails right through!"
Posted by: Jason M at August 08, 2019 05:42 PM (KcWn0)
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>>Yes that's right around the time Romney was running against Obama. Pet theory of mine is that the Obama admin abused it then to spy on Romney campaign as well.
I agree. And Romney wasn't the only one.
I agree. And Romney wasn't the only one.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2019 05:42 PM (ZLI7S)
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It best is Comey pretending he's Jesus in all this though.
Posted by: dagny at August 08, 2019 05:42 PM (nRWPy)
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Got to find a way to fit in the Concord Management deal when Mueller thought he could set up a fancy-sounding charge until Concord fought back. Whoopsie.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at August 08, 2019 05:42 PM (H8QX8)
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A good conic writer should use a variety of styles. Circular, elliptical, ellipsical..., and hyperbolic.
Posted by: azkag at August 08, 2019 05:42 PM (odQYA)
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The Papadopolous of Love. Well I'm a joker, I'm a ......
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 08, 2019 05:43 PM (rxqaT)
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For part 3 or whenever, James Comey had an agent in place inside the White House, who later went to work for Buzzfeed to verify the Steele dossier.
Realclearinvestigations: https://bit.ly/2LA8Cxw
and
Conservativetreehouse: https://bit.ly/2YQhZzA
Realclearinvestigations: https://bit.ly/2LA8Cxw
and
Conservativetreehouse: https://bit.ly/2YQhZzA
Posted by: motionview at August 08, 2019 05:43 PM (pYQR/)
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All of the initial dangles to future indictees back in March were promises of access to Clinton's emails.
They did not know, but were certain that Russia had Clinton's emails, due to her mishandling of her emails, and were fearful of that shoe dropping in the midst of the general election.
It may be that the entire thing began as a strategy to displace the blame for Clinton's negligence onto Russia. Then it was compounded to frame her opponent as complicit, killing two birds.
They did not know, but were certain that Russia had Clinton's emails, due to her mishandling of her emails, and were fearful of that shoe dropping in the midst of the general election.
It may be that the entire thing began as a strategy to displace the blame for Clinton's negligence onto Russia. Then it was compounded to frame her opponent as complicit, killing two birds.
Posted by: Jummy at August 08, 2019 05:43 PM (a3j0Z)
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Also the conservative treehouse has a virtual library documenting the granular details from start to now in this atrocity.
Posted by: Tom22ndState at August 08, 2019 05:43 PM (R6osy)
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If I were Stolichnaya, I would have sponsored Hillary.
Posted by: t-bird at August 08, 2019 05:43 PM (Y9zp1)
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"Oh, fuck, we have broken so many laws. I mean, SO many!"
"OK, Susan - I want you to right an email to yourself, right now, before we have to leave."
"Um, OK? What should it say?"
"Just about how you just now remembered this meeting where I told you guys NOT to break any laws."
"Sir, that makes no sense. And it makes us look really fucking guilty."
"I'm going to need you to get all the way down off my back about this."
Whoops!
Whoopsie!
"Oh, fuck, we have broken so many laws. I mean, SO many!"
"OK, Susan - I want you to right an email to yourself, right now, before we have to leave."
"Um, OK? What should it say?"
"Just about how you just now remembered this meeting where I told you guys NOT to break any laws."
"Sir, that makes no sense. And it makes us look really fucking guilty."
"I'm going to need you to get all the way down off my back about this."
Whoops!
Whoopsie!
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2019 05:44 PM (AzW6q)
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Obama- Trump's going to find out we've been spying on Him. You think he was a prick about the birth certificate wait till he hears this.
Rice- Well, we know Hillary thinks she's got some dirt and she knows how to hide it and I'll write a cover our asses memo.
Obama, I'll call David in London and see if he can find us a cut up or cut out or whatever. Yeah, that will work.
Rice, I'll have Samantha see what else she can get.
Rice- Well, we know Hillary thinks she's got some dirt and she knows how to hide it and I'll write a cover our asses memo.
Obama, I'll call David in London and see if he can find us a cut up or cut out or whatever. Yeah, that will work.
Rice, I'll have Samantha see what else she can get.
Posted by: Ben Had at August 08, 2019 05:44 PM (oiVMQ)
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Why did the FBI claim that Carter Page was a Russian agent and had committed crimes, both required items to get a FISA warrant on an American citizen, when he had been working as a FBI asset only a few months prior?
And if he had committed crimes, why has he never been charged?
And if he had committed crimes, why has he never been charged?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2019 05:44 PM (ZLI7S)
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"You mean like Samantha Power? Didn't she unmask a subject per day in
the last weeks of her employment in the Obama administration?"
No. Everything "by the book" we have the email on the last day to prove it.
the last weeks of her employment in the Obama administration?"
No. Everything "by the book" we have the email on the last day to prove it.
Posted by: dagny at August 08, 2019 05:44 PM (nRWPy)
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>>>"You mean like Samantha Power? Didn't she unmask a subject per day in the last weeks of her employment in the Obama administration?"
Whoops!
Whoopsie!
...
i have a different whoops/whoopsie joke for that. It's along the lines of, "But if we issue a presidential order to allow everyone to share these unmasked names with everyone, then people will know that there won't be any way to track down a leak, and they'll just leak the names to the press in like 24 hours!"
"Whoops!"
"Whoopsie!"
Whoops!
Whoopsie!
...
i have a different whoops/whoopsie joke for that. It's along the lines of, "But if we issue a presidential order to allow everyone to share these unmasked names with everyone, then people will know that there won't be any way to track down a leak, and they'll just leak the names to the press in like 24 hours!"
"Whoops!"
"Whoopsie!"
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:44 PM (PbpT7)
175
You could do a 40,000 foot summary of how Comey had piles of public statements and documents regarding Hillary's illegal server, denial of having any secrets on it and then finding 30,000 of them on Wiener's porno beat off computer and then after a weekend review saying "Guilty as hell free as a bird" and then going on a 2 year bottom feeding expedition against Trump and coming up with zilch while saying "We could not find a prosecute-able crime, but guilty as hell!"
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at August 08, 2019 05:45 PM (9dzlp)
176
>>>166 For part 3 or whenever, James Comey had an agent in place inside the White House, who later went to work for Buzzfeed to verify the Steele dossier.
Realclearinvestigations: https://bit.ly/2LA8Cxw
and
Conservativetreehouse: https://bit.ly/2YQhZzA
...
oh right.
Wow, there are a lot of Pitch Meetings here.
Realclearinvestigations: https://bit.ly/2LA8Cxw
and
Conservativetreehouse: https://bit.ly/2YQhZzA
...
oh right.
Wow, there are a lot of Pitch Meetings here.
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:45 PM (PbpT7)
177
The scandals could keep Ace busy with parodies for a very long time. Kind of like the scandals themselves already do.
Posted by: t-bird at August 08, 2019 05:46 PM (Y9zp1)
178
Why did James Comey lie to Congress for over half a year and not tell them that he had opened a counterintelligence operation into the Trump campaign?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2019 05:46 PM (ZLI7S)
179
"Just about how you just now remembered this meeting where I told you guys NOT to break any laws."
"Sir, that makes no sense. And it makes us look really fucking guilty."
----
how about if comey writes a bunch of memos too?
"like what"
oh, I don't know, whenever he meets with trump, just write that trump scared him or asked him to break the law.
"I see no downside"
"Sir, that makes no sense. And it makes us look really fucking guilty."
----
how about if comey writes a bunch of memos too?
"like what"
oh, I don't know, whenever he meets with trump, just write that trump scared him or asked him to break the law.
"I see no downside"
Posted by: Keto not Beto at August 08, 2019 05:46 PM (JziUy)
180
>>>178 Why did James Comey lie to Congress for over half a year and not tell them that he had opened a counterintelligence operation into the Trump campaign?
note to self
note to self
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 05:46 PM (PbpT7)
181
But Trump called on Putin to spy on Hillary!
Oh, yes. On TV. Of course comrade Putin and all the Russian secret service just sit in front of the TV awaiting their orders from Trump. Through the TV of course. They jumped up, saluted and got to work I imagine. With soviet patriotic music in the background.
Posted by: azoo
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"Hillary's 30,000 deleted emails (even though an investigation was going on and it's criminal to dispose of potential evidence) were about nothing but yoga and her poor dearly departed mother's funeral arrangements."
"So it doesn't matter if the Russians have them, right?"
"Of course not."
"Well, Trump just said let's ask the Russians for them."
"IT'S TREASON TO DEMAND THAT THE RUSSIANS IN ANY WAY POSSESS SUPER-SECRET SENSITIVE TOP SECRET CONFIDENTIAL USA INFORMATION THAT MUST NEVER BE LEAKED OR DESTROYED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES."
Whoops!
Whoopsie!
But Trump called on Putin to spy on Hillary!
Oh, yes. On TV. Of course comrade Putin and all the Russian secret service just sit in front of the TV awaiting their orders from Trump. Through the TV of course. They jumped up, saluted and got to work I imagine. With soviet patriotic music in the background.
Posted by: azoo
======
"Hillary's 30,000 deleted emails (even though an investigation was going on and it's criminal to dispose of potential evidence) were about nothing but yoga and her poor dearly departed mother's funeral arrangements."
"So it doesn't matter if the Russians have them, right?"
"Of course not."
"Well, Trump just said let's ask the Russians for them."
"IT'S TREASON TO DEMAND THAT THE RUSSIANS IN ANY WAY POSSESS SUPER-SECRET SENSITIVE TOP SECRET CONFIDENTIAL USA INFORMATION THAT MUST NEVER BE LEAKED OR DESTROYED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES."
Whoops!
Whoopsie!
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 08, 2019 05:48 PM (M9ntN)
182
Getting messages from the trees is TIGHT!!!
Posted by: ... at August 08, 2019 05:48 PM (uEbPt)
183
Why did James Comey lie to Congress for over half a
year and not tell them that he had opened a counterintelligence
operation into the Trump campaign?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2019 05:46 PM
You never know who might be working for the Russians.
year and not tell them that he had opened a counterintelligence
operation into the Trump campaign?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2019 05:46 PM
You never know who might be working for the Russians.
Posted by: huerfano at August 08, 2019 05:48 PM (6e1eX)
184
173 "You mean like Samantha Power? Didn't she unmask a subject per day in
the last weeks of her employment in the Obama administration?"
No. Everything "by the book" we have the email on the last day to prove it.
Posted by: dagny at August 08, 2019 05:44 PM (nRWPy)
I think she did. That why the SOAMF called that last-second meeting.
the last weeks of her employment in the Obama administration?"
No. Everything "by the book" we have the email on the last day to prove it.
Posted by: dagny at August 08, 2019 05:44 PM (nRWPy)
I think she did. That why the SOAMF called that last-second meeting.
Posted by: Sooner at August 08, 2019 05:48 PM (Fa2km)
185
But won't DoJ get in our way? Nah, let's threaten Sessions and demand he recuse himself. He's only interested in weed and civil forfeiture anyway. Let's say he met with Russians by being in the same ball room.
No way he'd fall for that!
No, watch!
No way he'd fall for that!
No, watch!
Posted by: dagny at August 08, 2019 05:50 PM (nRWPy)
186
"Okay, here's the best part, on this one we take out two birds with one stone. Trump has hired this General named Flynn, see? We've always hated that guy."
"So what happens with Flynn?"
"Well you see we've been tapping his phone, and he doesn't even know it. He's been talking to the Russian Ambassador and all kinds of people."
"But that's not actually illegal, is it? How does that help?"
"No, it isn't, but it LOOKS illegal. Great for the papers! And then we send two agents in, acting like they're his friends."
"So what do they do?"
"Well they ask him a bunch of questions, without telling him what they're after, and they've got transcripts of his phone calls that he doesn't know they have. So if he says ANYTHING different than what's on those transcripts, we charge him with lying!!!!"
"But what if he just remembered something differently?"
"Doesn't Matter! We'll make it a lie! Besides, we don't really want to charge him, we just want him to help take down Trump."
"But what if he doesn't go along?"
"Get off my back! He will! And if worst comes to worst and he doesn't, well we always hated that guy anyways."
"Well ok then, sounds like a plan!"
"So what happens with Flynn?"
"Well you see we've been tapping his phone, and he doesn't even know it. He's been talking to the Russian Ambassador and all kinds of people."
"But that's not actually illegal, is it? How does that help?"
"No, it isn't, but it LOOKS illegal. Great for the papers! And then we send two agents in, acting like they're his friends."
"So what do they do?"
"Well they ask him a bunch of questions, without telling him what they're after, and they've got transcripts of his phone calls that he doesn't know they have. So if he says ANYTHING different than what's on those transcripts, we charge him with lying!!!!"
"But what if he just remembered something differently?"
"Doesn't Matter! We'll make it a lie! Besides, we don't really want to charge him, we just want him to help take down Trump."
"But what if he doesn't go along?"
"Get off my back! He will! And if worst comes to worst and he doesn't, well we always hated that guy anyways."
"Well ok then, sounds like a plan!"
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 08, 2019 05:50 PM (Kpl3J)
187
You may recall that Andrew McCabe had a hard-on for Michael Flynn because Flynn supported the woman who charged McCabe with sexual harassment.
John Solomon and Sara Carter, Realclearpolitics but funky link:
https://bit.ly/33m2lv1
Summary at HA: https://bit.ly/2ZJxPZX
John Solomon and Sara Carter, Realclearpolitics but funky link:
https://bit.ly/33m2lv1
Summary at HA: https://bit.ly/2ZJxPZX
Posted by: motionview at August 08, 2019 05:50 PM (pYQR/)
188
>You never know who might be working for the Russians.
That's not far off from the excuse he gave when he got caught by Rep. Elise Stefanik.
That's not far off from the excuse he gave when he got caught by Rep. Elise Stefanik.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2019 05:51 PM (ZLI7S)
189
You could make fun of Peter Strozk name that it looks like its a euphemism for masturbating.
"It's pronounce Struck!!! Not Stroke!!! It's Latvian! Use a Latvian accent!
(hat-tip to the last funny skit on SNL..."It's pronounced Azz Wee Pay")
"It's pronounce Struck!!! Not Stroke!!! It's Latvian! Use a Latvian accent!
(hat-tip to the last funny skit on SNL..."It's pronounced Azz Wee Pay")
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at August 08, 2019 05:51 PM (9dzlp)
190
But why would Comey being scared of Trump trigger a special counsel?
We'll say he felt vunerable.
Still don't see how that triggers a special counsel.
It's ok, with Sessions in a coma, Rosenstein will do it.
We'll say he felt vunerable.
Still don't see how that triggers a special counsel.
It's ok, with Sessions in a coma, Rosenstein will do it.
Posted by: dagny at August 08, 2019 05:53 PM (nRWPy)
191
Posted by: Keto not Beto at August 08, 2019 05:13 PM (JziUy)
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LOL, great Rachel Maddow imitation.
Posted by: Keto not Beto at August 08, 2019 05:13 PM (JziUy)
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LOL, great Rachel Maddow imitation.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 08, 2019 05:53 PM (M9ntN)
192
If Rod Rosenstein was in on it, why is he not being investigated? Why did he say when asked about the Carter Page warrant he signed that what he has seen publicly about the warrant does not match what he signed? Why did he say that he was not the affiant and that he confident that Horowitz would find he acted properly?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2019 05:53 PM (ZLI7S)
193
EG: Trump's been in the public eye for years and he's the quintessential American success story. Won't people find it extremely difficult to believe that he's actually a Russian spy?
SG: I don't know.
EG: Okay then!
SG: I don't know.
EG: Okay then!
Posted by: ... at August 08, 2019 05:54 PM (uEbPt)
194
And why did Rod Rosenstein fire McCabe just days before he was to get his pension and before the formal OPR process had concluded?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2019 05:54 PM (ZLI7S)
195
They had a hard-on for Flynn because he was VERY much against the Iran deal. Their demi-god loved his iran deal plus there must have been some money flowing back to them via that.
Posted by: dagny at August 08, 2019 05:55 PM (nRWPy)
196
oh boy, headline at yahoo news:
"Republican Group Attacks Trump, McConnell In New Ad Running On Fox News"
[which Republican group? "Former Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol shared the spot, which was created by Republicans for the Rule of Law, an organization in which he is a director."]
"Republican Group Attacks Trump, McConnell In New Ad Running On Fox News"
[which Republican group? "Former Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol shared the spot, which was created by Republicans for the Rule of Law, an organization in which he is a director."]
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at August 08, 2019 05:55 PM (ZqRa6)
197
Why did Robert Mueller meet with Donald Trump and Rod Rosenstein the day before Rosenstein appointed him as Special Counsel and took the investigation away from acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2019 05:56 PM (ZLI7S)
198
There are actually so many elements to this bullshit story that it almost seems intentional--to make people tune out because it's so convoluted and hard to follow.
Its almost as if they are relying on the tangled web they wove to be the very thing that saves them.
Its almost as if they are relying on the tangled web they wove to be the very thing that saves them.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2019 05:56 PM (NFEMn)
199
oh among the attorney for actual oligarchs was Michael Chertoff who is the guy that tells admiral kristol, what to say and do, he worked for a higher Russian oligarch firtash, than deripasha who was manaforts partner,
then you have padapopoulos meeting with mifsud who was in contact with a Russian who played court to a whole bunch of democrats and back in july of 2017, jamal khashoggi
then you have padapopoulos meeting with mifsud who was in contact with a Russian who played court to a whole bunch of democrats and back in july of 2017, jamal khashoggi
Posted by: admiral marcus at August 08, 2019 05:56 PM (x+C/t)
200
Online Andrew McCarthy: FBI very carefully confirms ever factual allegation in an application for a FISA warrant and believe me the FBI is nothing but straight shooters. Take to the Bank.
[Elsewhere]
FISA Judge: You're sure about this?
DOJ Lawyer: Oh yeah. It's all been checked out. Didn't you see our citation to Yahoo News?
FISA Judge: Good enough for me. Wanna grab some lunch?
[Elsewhere]
FISA Judge: You're sure about this?
DOJ Lawyer: Oh yeah. It's all been checked out. Didn't you see our citation to Yahoo News?
FISA Judge: Good enough for me. Wanna grab some lunch?
Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at August 08, 2019 05:56 PM (hdzef)
201
"Republican Group Attacks Trump, McConnell In New Ad Running On Fox News"
[which Republican group? "Former Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol shared the spot, which was created by Republicans for the Rule of Law, an organization in which he is a director."]
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at August 08, 2019 05:55 PM (ZqRa6)
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Oh yeah... that fat fuckin' greaseball was bragging about that ad on the Twitter a little while back.
[which Republican group? "Former Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol shared the spot, which was created by Republicans for the Rule of Law, an organization in which he is a director."]
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at August 08, 2019 05:55 PM (ZqRa6)
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Oh yeah... that fat fuckin' greaseball was bragging about that ad on the Twitter a little while back.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2019 05:56 PM (AzW6q)
202
"That's not in my purview."
Well, what's your purview?
That's classified.
Hey, Rosenstein, what's Mueller's purview?
Um...
Well, what's your purview?
That's classified.
Hey, Rosenstein, what's Mueller's purview?
Um...
Posted by: dagny at August 08, 2019 05:56 PM (nRWPy)
203
Why did James Clapper and Easter Island Head Brennan recommend to Obama that he fire Admiral Mike Rogers just weeks before the election?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2019 05:57 PM (ZLI7S)
204
If Rod Rosenstein was in on it, why is he not being investigated? Why did he say when asked about the Carter Page warrant he signed that what he has seen publicly about the warrant does not match what he signed? Why did he say that he was not the affiant and that he confident that Horowitz would find he acted properly?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2019 05:53 PM (ZLI7S)
He's not being investigated because he's.....singing like a canary?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2019 05:53 PM (ZLI7S)
He's not being investigated because he's.....singing like a canary?
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2019 05:57 PM (NFEMn)
205
Obama- While we're workin here, we need to kneecap that Sessions sucker. He kept messin with my immigration plan.
Posted by: Ben Had at August 08, 2019 05:57 PM (oiVMQ)
206
Why did James Clapper and Easter Island Head Brennan recommend to Obama that he fire Admiral Mike Rogers just weeks before the election?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2019 05:57 PM (ZLI7S)
He wasn't on board.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2019 05:57 PM (ZLI7S)
He wasn't on board.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2019 05:58 PM (NFEMn)
207
Why did Felix Sater push the Trump Tower Moscow project in October 2015, just months after Trump jumped in the race? Why did this former FBI CI keep asking for the passports of Cohen and Trump? Why did Sater insist Cohen attend a conference in St. Petersburg w him in June, that Deripaska also attended? (Luckily, Cohen didn't.) Per the Wiki emails: Why was Podesta talking about Trump/Russia in 12/15 to a reporter?
Posted by: Ever at August 08, 2019 05:58 PM (kkVtg)
208
192 If Rod Rosenstein was in on it, why is he not being investigated? Why did he say when asked about the Carter Page warrant he signed that what he has seen publicly about the warrant does not match what he signed? Why did he say that he was not the affiant and that he confident that Horowitz would find he acted properly?
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2019 05:53 PM (ZLI7S)
He couldn't help but know about it. Near the top there are few secrets.
I think he had the foresight to see where this was going and was keeping Trump informed of the shenanigans. Probably kissed a lot of Trump ass too.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2019 05:53 PM (ZLI7S)
He couldn't help but know about it. Near the top there are few secrets.
I think he had the foresight to see where this was going and was keeping Trump informed of the shenanigans. Probably kissed a lot of Trump ass too.
Posted by: Sooner at August 08, 2019 05:58 PM (Fa2km)
209
>>He's not being investigated because he's.....singing like a canary?
Not in the way you mean. I'm telling you, lots of people are going to owe him an apology when this all comes out.
Not in the way you mean. I'm telling you, lots of people are going to owe him an apology when this all comes out.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2019 05:58 PM (ZLI7S)
210
He's not being investigated because he's.....singing like a canary?
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2019 05:57 PM (NFEMn)
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This is also my suspicion. I think RR is two-faced double-dealing little SOB who does whatever it takes to keep his hide intact, and when he saw this thing going pear-shaped he crossed the line.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2019 05:57 PM (NFEMn)
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This is also my suspicion. I think RR is two-faced double-dealing little SOB who does whatever it takes to keep his hide intact, and when he saw this thing going pear-shaped he crossed the line.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2019 05:59 PM (AzW6q)
211
This is also my suspicion. I think RR is two-faced double-dealing little SOB who does whatever it takes to keep his hide intact, and when he saw this thing going pear-shaped he crossed the line.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2019 05:59 PM (AzW6q)
Yup
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 08, 2019 05:59 PM (AzW6q)
Yup
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2019 06:00 PM (NFEMn)
212
But we still don't know what Rosenstein gave Mueller as a scope.
Posted by: dagny at August 08, 2019 06:00 PM (nRWPy)
213
"Obama was a patriot! How I long for the days of Obama, who would never have sat still for this foreign interference in a sacred democratic process!"
"Well, he did kind of sit there and watch it all happen during the campaign. I mean, investigations were happening under his DOJ, so he obviously knew the Russians were stealing the election for Trump."
"Oh, that's right. And he said nothing, not even to Hillary."
"Are we sure we want to go with this narrative?"
Whoops!
Whoopsie!
"Obama was a patriot! How I long for the days of Obama, who would never have sat still for this foreign interference in a sacred democratic process!"
"Well, he did kind of sit there and watch it all happen during the campaign. I mean, investigations were happening under his DOJ, so he obviously knew the Russians were stealing the election for Trump."
"Oh, that's right. And he said nothing, not even to Hillary."
"Are we sure we want to go with this narrative?"
Whoops!
Whoopsie!
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 08, 2019 06:00 PM (M9ntN)
214
Not in the way you mean. I'm telling you, lots of people are going to owe him an apology when this all comes out.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2019 05:58 PM (ZLI7S)
But he's still doing the right thing for the wrong reason.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2019 05:58 PM (ZLI7S)
But he's still doing the right thing for the wrong reason.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2019 06:00 PM (NFEMn)
215
Susan Rice hurries into the Oval Office:
"Mr President, did you see this morning's newspaper?"
"Yeah, Veronica turned Archie down again"
"Sigh... okay..."
"Mr President, did you see this morning's newspaper?"
"Yeah, Veronica turned Archie down again"
"Sigh... okay..."
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at August 08, 2019 06:01 PM (ZqRa6)
216
>>But he's still doing the right thing for the wrong reason.
Nope. People really need to go back and look at May 2017. Look at what was going on. The dates and sequencing of events is very important.
Rosenstein has a stellar reputation at the DOJ for being an impeccably straight arrow prosecutor. He worked for Ken Starr on the Whitewater investigation. Trump appointed him as the DAG.
He is closer to a hero in this whole thing than a bad guy.
Nope. People really need to go back and look at May 2017. Look at what was going on. The dates and sequencing of events is very important.
Rosenstein has a stellar reputation at the DOJ for being an impeccably straight arrow prosecutor. He worked for Ken Starr on the Whitewater investigation. Trump appointed him as the DAG.
He is closer to a hero in this whole thing than a bad guy.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2019 06:03 PM (ZLI7S)
217
But he's still doing the right thing for the wrong reason.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2019 06:00 PM (NFEMn)
that's almost as bad as lookin' for love in all the wrong places.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2019 06:00 PM (NFEMn)
that's almost as bad as lookin' for love in all the wrong places.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 08, 2019 06:03 PM (Kpl3J)
218
didn't Rosenstein agree with Barr that there was really no case against Trump for collusion?
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at August 08, 2019 06:04 PM (ZqRa6)
Posted by: Ben Had at August 08, 2019 06:04 PM (oiVMQ)
220
DNC guy: Give Hillary's leadership team immunity and promise not to look too hard at their computers. In return, let them sit in on Hillary's interview.
DOJ guy: (scribbling furiously) Wait, what?
DNC guy: And write the exoneration letter before the interview.
DOJ guy: The balls on you.
DOJ guy: (scribbling furiously) Wait, what?
DNC guy: And write the exoneration letter before the interview.
DOJ guy: The balls on you.
Posted by: motionview at August 08, 2019 06:06 PM (pYQR/)
221
211 Based on Don Jr's sarcastic tweet after RR endorsed Sue Gordon and John Dowd's open distaste for RR, I think your assessment is correct.
Posted by: Ever at August 08, 2019 06:06 PM (kkVtg)
222
"Obama was a patriot! How I long for the days of Obama, who would never have sat still for this foreign interference in a sacred democratic process!"
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Slightly OT, but I'll never forget that photograph released from the Command Center purporting to show Obama and all the big shots--including Biden and Hillary--watching the Bin Laden raid go down.
There were three or four people in that picture who could have looked like the guy in charge--including Biden.
Obama is not one of them. He's all the way in the corner, small and cowering in his blue windbreaker with a look on his face of horror mixed with fear. It looks like he was dragged off the golf course (or from Reggie's butt) and made to be in the picture.
Anyone know what pic I mean?
Anyway, from that moment I saw that photo, I knew that Obama was in charge of ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
He was playing a role.
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Slightly OT, but I'll never forget that photograph released from the Command Center purporting to show Obama and all the big shots--including Biden and Hillary--watching the Bin Laden raid go down.
There were three or four people in that picture who could have looked like the guy in charge--including Biden.
Obama is not one of them. He's all the way in the corner, small and cowering in his blue windbreaker with a look on his face of horror mixed with fear. It looks like he was dragged off the golf course (or from Reggie's butt) and made to be in the picture.
Anyone know what pic I mean?
Anyway, from that moment I saw that photo, I knew that Obama was in charge of ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
He was playing a role.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2019 06:07 PM (NFEMn)
223
Why were HQ staff at the FBI involved in the investigation
Posted by: Jean at August 08, 2019 06:08 PM (6RPaA)
224
Contreras recusal on Flynn case, pals with Stroke / reassigned to Judge Emmet Sullivan. or something like that.
Posted by: 13times at August 08, 2019 06:08 PM (K3B2k)
225
>>didn't Rosenstein agree with Barr that there was really no case against Trump for collusion?
Yeo. And it wasn't the Mueller team who came up with the idea to focus obstruction. That honor goes to two leftwing lawyers who are now working for Fat Nadler on the House Judiciary Committee, Norm Eisen and Barry Berke.
Yeo. And it wasn't the Mueller team who came up with the idea to focus obstruction. That honor goes to two leftwing lawyers who are now working for Fat Nadler on the House Judiciary Committee, Norm Eisen and Barry Berke.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 08, 2019 06:08 PM (ZLI7S)
226
"So wait, you're saying thie veselnitskaya is going to talk with Fusion GPS one day, Trump the next day, and Fusion GPS the day after that, and Trump doesn't bite, and somehow Trump is the one in trouble?"
"Yehyehyeh!"
"Well, okay then."
"Yehyehyeh!"
"Well, okay then."
Posted by: musical mountaineer at August 08, 2019 06:09 PM (U4Zl1)
227
"You mean like Samantha Power? Didn't she unmask a subject per day in
the last weeks of her employment in the Obama administration?"
No. Everything "by the book" we have the email on the last day to prove it.
Posted by: dagny at August 08, 2019 05:44 PM (nRWPy)
======
"But isn't that email totally after-the-fact?"
"It's designed to state that we DID everything by the book. Tense, grasshopper."
"But the email is weird. Who races into their office in the final hours of their employment and writes a memo like that, which they've never written before?"
"A Black woman. Anyone who questions her is racist and sexist."
"Okay, good. It's still a little suspicious that if she was so concerned she would have waited until after the operation was over to write down anything about going by the book."
"Suspicious ain't criminal."
"Okay, we're good."
"You mean like Samantha Power? Didn't she unmask a subject per day in
the last weeks of her employment in the Obama administration?"
No. Everything "by the book" we have the email on the last day to prove it.
Posted by: dagny at August 08, 2019 05:44 PM (nRWPy)
======
"But isn't that email totally after-the-fact?"
"It's designed to state that we DID everything by the book. Tense, grasshopper."
"But the email is weird. Who races into their office in the final hours of their employment and writes a memo like that, which they've never written before?"
"A Black woman. Anyone who questions her is racist and sexist."
"Okay, good. It's still a little suspicious that if she was so concerned she would have waited until after the operation was over to write down anything about going by the book."
"Suspicious ain't criminal."
"Okay, we're good."
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 08, 2019 06:10 PM (M9ntN)
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Anyone know what pic I mean?
Anyway, from that moment I saw that photo, I knew that Obama was in charge of ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
He was playing a role.
Posted by: JoeF.
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I could easily believe he was photoshopped into that pic. He looked that out of place.
Anyone know what pic I mean?
Anyway, from that moment I saw that photo, I knew that Obama was in charge of ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
He was playing a role.
Posted by: JoeF.
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I could easily believe he was photoshopped into that pic. He looked that out of place.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 08, 2019 06:12 PM (M9ntN)
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"Hiring Fusion GPS through a cut-out to produce the dossier...I don't know, that hardly seems legitimate!"
"Oh, but it is legitimate."
"Legitimate?"
"Legitimate. Totally legitimate."
"If you say so."
"Oh, but it is legitimate."
"Legitimate?"
"Legitimate. Totally legitimate."
"If you say so."
Posted by: musical mountaineer at August 08, 2019 06:13 PM (U4Zl1)
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Obama- We don't have to worry about DoJ. Loretta's all good after Bill talked to her.
Posted by: Ben Had at August 08, 2019 06:14 PM (oiVMQ)
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totally legitimate. Russia wasn't giving them dirt, the Dems were buying it. Totally different.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at August 08, 2019 06:14 PM (ZqRa6)
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Anyone know what pic I mean?
Anyway, from that moment I saw that photo, I knew that Obama was in charge of ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
He was playing a role.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2019 06:07 PM (NFEMn)
Yes. He looked ridiculous. Don't forget he had to be cajoled over three days into making "the call". Didn't want it to affect his re-election.
Anyway, from that moment I saw that photo, I knew that Obama was in charge of ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
He was playing a role.
Posted by: JoeF. at August 08, 2019 06:07 PM (NFEMn)
Yes. He looked ridiculous. Don't forget he had to be cajoled over three days into making "the call". Didn't want it to affect his re-election.
Posted by: ... at August 08, 2019 06:15 PM (uEbPt)
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or as a very wise man once said:
I wasn't having sex with her, she was having sex with me.
I wasn't having sex with her, she was having sex with me.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at August 08, 2019 06:17 PM (ZqRa6)
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So then Robert Mueller gets appointed as the special counsel because he's a respected straight arrow.
You mean the guy who let innocent people rot in prison so he could protect a mobster?
You mean the guy who let innocent people rot in prison so he could protect a mobster?
Posted by: Furious George at August 08, 2019 06:20 PM (9vQJW)
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google 'obama watches osama raid'
Obama looks as if they didn't have a chair for him so he sat on a box in the corner
Obama looks as if they didn't have a chair for him so he sat on a box in the corner
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at August 08, 2019 06:20 PM (ZqRa6)
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But if McCabe gets fired won't he sue for wrongful termination?
No, no one is that stupid!
Whoopsie
No, no one is that stupid!
Whoopsie
Posted by: dagny at August 08, 2019 06:26 PM (nRWPy)
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"So I looked over your script, 'The Steele Dossier...'"
"The name's great, right?!"
"Yeah, you don't have to try that hard, especially when the guy working it is a Simpson. Could we get a good name, like Starr or Thomas, something that is just solid, as opposed to overly manly? Anyways, I was thinking, the central allegation..."
"Yeeeees?..."
"Was that Donald Trump would receive either a 20% stake in Rosneft or just the commissions on the sale to relieve sanctions."
"I know! Light Treason is Tight!"
"Listen to me. That is insane. The commissions alone are worth hundreds of millions of dollars. That's cash Russia does not have. Making an American own that much of a huge energy concern is even crazier. It's like saying the CIA promised Oswald $100 million dollars in 1960 to kill Kennedy. Which has the virtue of being -more- plausible than winning an election Trump was 3:1 to lose."
"The name's great, right?!"
"Yeah, you don't have to try that hard, especially when the guy working it is a Simpson. Could we get a good name, like Starr or Thomas, something that is just solid, as opposed to overly manly? Anyways, I was thinking, the central allegation..."
"Yeeeees?..."
"Was that Donald Trump would receive either a 20% stake in Rosneft or just the commissions on the sale to relieve sanctions."
"I know! Light Treason is Tight!"
"Listen to me. That is insane. The commissions alone are worth hundreds of millions of dollars. That's cash Russia does not have. Making an American own that much of a huge energy concern is even crazier. It's like saying the CIA promised Oswald $100 million dollars in 1960 to kill Kennedy. Which has the virtue of being -more- plausible than winning an election Trump was 3:1 to lose."
Posted by: trev006 at August 08, 2019 06:27 PM (mnGNX)
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But didn't Peter Stroke, the lead FBI Agent, say there was "no there there" between Trump and Russia? So, how will you get a FISA warrant to spy on an American citizen?
Super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Posted by: Horus Hearsay at August 08, 2019 06:31 PM (DB16e)
Posted by: ... at August 08, 2019 06:32 PM (uEbPt)
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"I'm not sure anyone is going to want to watch this."
"Yeah, it's going to get really disappointing when half the country realizes the depths of depravity and corruption to which their cherished institutions have fallen, and the other half seethe with anger that it didn't quite work out for them either."
"And you're saying the whole thing is based on a lie and an illusion?"
"The best lies and illusions that money can buy, sir."
"But isn't that...wrong?"
"We'll get nonstop coverage on cable news."
"I'm sold!"
"Yeah, it's going to get really disappointing when half the country realizes the depths of depravity and corruption to which their cherished institutions have fallen, and the other half seethe with anger that it didn't quite work out for them either."
"And you're saying the whole thing is based on a lie and an illusion?"
"The best lies and illusions that money can buy, sir."
"But isn't that...wrong?"
"We'll get nonstop coverage on cable news."
"I'm sold!"
Posted by: musical mountaineer at August 08, 2019 06:34 PM (U4Zl1)
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But isn't all this lying and spying and lying wrong?
No, no we have to do it because it's moral.
How is it moral?
Trump's a nazi and a white supremacist.
"I thought you said he was a Russian puppet?"
He's a russian puppet BECAUSE he's a white supremacist, don't you know anything! But nevermind that, if this set-up fails, we'll go straight to white supremacy.
No, no we have to do it because it's moral.
How is it moral?
Trump's a nazi and a white supremacist.
"I thought you said he was a Russian puppet?"
He's a russian puppet BECAUSE he's a white supremacist, don't you know anything! But nevermind that, if this set-up fails, we'll go straight to white supremacy.
Posted by: dagny at August 08, 2019 06:40 PM (nRWPy)
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Russia wasn't giving them dirt, the Dems were buying it.
I wonder if the Dems thought it was real? Boy, the Russians must have been laughing their asses off. "You need more? Plenty where that came from."
I wonder if the Dems thought it was real? Boy, the Russians must have been laughing their asses off. "You need more? Plenty where that came from."
Posted by: t-bird at August 08, 2019 06:41 PM (g0Lfb)
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I don't even believe the Russians gave them anything. It was fan-fic written by Blumenthal and washed through Steele.
Posted by: dagny at August 08, 2019 06:45 PM (nRWPy)
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I think the big plot hole is they didn't make sure that Hillary won!
The entire plot relied on her winning. When she lost they were then forced to try and keep it going but they apparently hadn't given enough thought to the possibility that Trump would win so they were not well prepared when he did.
They easily could've engaged Google, Facebook, Twitter to help.
And they should have had a tighter story that plainly and obviously put Trump in with the Russians.
The plot they did come up with was too full of holes and poorly executed. Of course they actually thought that they would uncover other dirt on Trump along the way. I think they relied on this too much and they should've known after all the years Trump's been in the news that there would be little to find or it would've already hit the screens.
Maybe you could have someone on the inside of this cabal working to disarm and weaken their plot so that Trump would come out okay. Make it a woman. A lower level worker who's got all the inside info.
The entire plot relied on her winning. When she lost they were then forced to try and keep it going but they apparently hadn't given enough thought to the possibility that Trump would win so they were not well prepared when he did.
They easily could've engaged Google, Facebook, Twitter to help.
And they should have had a tighter story that plainly and obviously put Trump in with the Russians.
The plot they did come up with was too full of holes and poorly executed. Of course they actually thought that they would uncover other dirt on Trump along the way. I think they relied on this too much and they should've known after all the years Trump's been in the news that there would be little to find or it would've already hit the screens.
Maybe you could have someone on the inside of this cabal working to disarm and weaken their plot so that Trump would come out okay. Make it a woman. A lower level worker who's got all the inside info.
Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at August 08, 2019 06:45 PM (cxIsI)
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>>>So I looked over your script, 'The Steele Dossier...'"
"The name's great, right?!"
"Yeah, you don't have to try that hard, especially when the guy working it is a Simpson. Could we get a good name, like Starr or Thomas, something that is just solid, as opposed to overly manly? Anyways, I was thinking, the central allegation..."
"Yeeeees?..."
....
Oh, I just wrote out this same basic joke, trying to get the name just right for sales purposes.
"The name's great, right?!"
"Yeah, you don't have to try that hard, especially when the guy working it is a Simpson. Could we get a good name, like Starr or Thomas, something that is just solid, as opposed to overly manly? Anyways, I was thinking, the central allegation..."
"Yeeeees?..."
....
Oh, I just wrote out this same basic joke, trying to get the name just right for sales purposes.
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 06:56 PM (PbpT7)
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Pitch guy: "So, we hatch this conspiracy to convince people Trump won the election because he's a Russian stooge!"
DOJ guy: "Wait, that only makes sense if Hillary loses, which she clearly won't"
PG: "But IF...."
DOJ: "What part of 'Hillary is going to win' are you not understanding?"
PG: "But just in case, you know, like an insurance policy"
DOJ: "English, do you speak it motherfucker? Trump loses, end of story"
PG: "Okay then, let's assume Trump loses. This will help us destroy him, so that his like will never be seen again"
DOJ: "Who let you in here anyway?"
DOJ guy: "Wait, that only makes sense if Hillary loses, which she clearly won't"
PG: "But IF...."
DOJ: "What part of 'Hillary is going to win' are you not understanding?"
PG: "But just in case, you know, like an insurance policy"
DOJ: "English, do you speak it motherfucker? Trump loses, end of story"
PG: "Okay then, let's assume Trump loses. This will help us destroy him, so that his like will never be seen again"
DOJ: "Who let you in here anyway?"
Posted by: Crimso at August 08, 2019 07:00 PM (uCLNU)
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Here's a decent if slightly dismissive summary of the Shearer/Winer/Nuland nexus at HA: https://bit.ly/31qPd68
I can't seem to find when Shearer started pushing this at the State department. Steele did give the FBI a copy of the Shearer dossier in October 2016 "as confirmation of his reporting".
I can't seem to find when Shearer started pushing this at the State department. Steele did give the FBI a copy of the Shearer dossier in October 2016 "as confirmation of his reporting".
Posted by: motionview at August 08, 2019 07:04 PM (pYQR/)
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Anything by Molly Hemingway. She has been on this like white on rice from the beginning. And she told me that she is a fan of yours. I brought up her appearance on your much missed podcast.
Posted by: Michael Puttre at August 08, 2019 07:09 PM (JInPi)
249
factoid
Steele declared under oath in a British court, dealing with another matter entirely, that the information he supplied to Fusion GPS for the dossier was at least 50% false, or more, he couldn't tell.
That is how we learned the dossier info was fake.
I believe it was in late 2017, but didn't become public until 2018.
Hannity, while a terrible person to converse with unless you like to get cut off mid-sentence, was a good source for much of the information about this nonsense.
factoid
Steele declared under oath in a British court, dealing with another matter entirely, that the information he supplied to Fusion GPS for the dossier was at least 50% false, or more, he couldn't tell.
That is how we learned the dossier info was fake.
I believe it was in late 2017, but didn't become public until 2018.
Hannity, while a terrible person to converse with unless you like to get cut off mid-sentence, was a good source for much of the information about this nonsense.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 08, 2019 07:10 PM (sy5kK)
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FBI: We can't confirm anything in your dossier.
Steele: Here's independent confirmation (handing over the Shearer dossier).
FBI: Cody Shearer? The mini-me of Sid 'Vicious' Blumenthal, notorious Clinton dirty-tricksters? That is your confirmation?
Steele:
FBI: OK, let's get that FISA app moving.
Steele: Here's independent confirmation (handing over the Shearer dossier).
FBI: Cody Shearer? The mini-me of Sid 'Vicious' Blumenthal, notorious Clinton dirty-tricksters? That is your confirmation?
Steele:
FBI: OK, let's get that FISA app moving.
Posted by: motionview at August 08, 2019 07:11 PM (pYQR/)
251
I'm must thankful every day that Hillary will never be president. Oh, and that this ham-fisted operation was dreamed up by former analyst hacks who fancy themselves as operators. Additionally the lawyers who see themselves as super detectives gave us this trail of loose ends we all can follow.
Comey, Brennan, and Clapper- the 3 stooges of espionage.
Comey, Brennan, and Clapper- the 3 stooges of espionage.
Posted by: Tom22ndState at August 08, 2019 07:13 PM (R6osy)
252
Hopefully not inappropriate, Dan Bongino has the most comprehensive information regarding fake collusion.
Posted by: KK at August 08, 2019 07:14 PM (JhGws)
253
plot holes is one way to look at it, or if telling it from the patriot side ... "plot twists". As in ..." the Trump/Russia story fell apart in direct juxtaposition to the Hillary/Russia story coming into focus".
The plot holes makes them just liars .. the plot twist makes the story about their crimes and the plot holes foreshadowed the "surprise ending". It makes for a happy ending, hangings, and we get the country back. Just exposing the plot holes is too open ended ..
But maybe I'm thinking of a novel, not a blog post.
The plot holes makes them just liars .. the plot twist makes the story about their crimes and the plot holes foreshadowed the "surprise ending". It makes for a happy ending, hangings, and we get the country back. Just exposing the plot holes is too open ended ..
But maybe I'm thinking of a novel, not a blog post.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 08, 2019 07:14 PM (Cus5s)
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"Dan Bongino has the most comprehensive information regarding fake collusion"
or any one of Hannity's openings for the last two years. heh
or any one of Hannity's openings for the last two years. heh
Posted by: illiniwek at August 08, 2019 07:17 PM (Cus5s)
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The investigation started out as a foreign intelligence op, not a criminal investigation, because the CIA cannot do criminal investigations on a US citizen, only foreign intelligence ops. the FBI is in charge of domestic criminal investigations.
Brennan was the man in charge of foreign intelligence ops, it was legal for him to start it. Brennan could now use the power of his CIA to do nearly anything.
He got the "5 eyes" involved to do his dirty work, perhaps (no source to prove it I am aware of) 5 eyes were the ones that got Misfud and others involved.
Brennan gets to keep his hands clean when allies do the dirty work.
Somehow, it later became a criminal investigation against Trump and co.
For reasons nobody seems to understand. Brennan isn't talking.
The investigation started out as a foreign intelligence op, not a criminal investigation, because the CIA cannot do criminal investigations on a US citizen, only foreign intelligence ops. the FBI is in charge of domestic criminal investigations.
Brennan was the man in charge of foreign intelligence ops, it was legal for him to start it. Brennan could now use the power of his CIA to do nearly anything.
He got the "5 eyes" involved to do his dirty work, perhaps (no source to prove it I am aware of) 5 eyes were the ones that got Misfud and others involved.
Brennan gets to keep his hands clean when allies do the dirty work.
Somehow, it later became a criminal investigation against Trump and co.
For reasons nobody seems to understand. Brennan isn't talking.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 08, 2019 07:23 PM (sy5kK)
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>>> plot holes is one way to look at it, or if telling it from the patriot side ... "plot twists".
Oh I've got that covered!!!!!
Did you ever wonder how absurd it was to cast Wretched Excess Super-Capitalist Donald Trump as a communist sleeper agent!
PLOT TWIST!!!!
I've got a bunch of jokes on that -- too many, will have to trim down to the best.
Oh I've got that covered!!!!!
Did you ever wonder how absurd it was to cast Wretched Excess Super-Capitalist Donald Trump as a communist sleeper agent!
PLOT TWIST!!!!
I've got a bunch of jokes on that -- too many, will have to trim down to the best.
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 07:24 PM (PbpT7)
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This short thread too could be useful for holes in McCabes storyline.
https://twitter.com/smc12256/status/1159587466422235138
https://twitter.com/smc12256/status/1159587466422235138
Posted by: Spiff The Spaceman at August 08, 2019 07:26 PM (4ps1Q)
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Oh, I just wrote out this same basic joke, trying to get the name just right for sales purposes.
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 06:56 PM (PbpT7)
Whoopsy!
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 06:56 PM (PbpT7)
Whoopsy!
Posted by: trev006 at August 08, 2019 07:30 PM (mnGNX)
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30 How about the Veselitskaya meeting?
Oh that meeting where in the middle of conspiring and colluding Jared texted his admin to call him so he has a pretext to get out.
and also interesting was that Glenn Simpson of FusionGPS met with the Russian lawyer Velseitskaya before the Trump Tower meeting, and then again after it, I believe all on the same day.
Of course, it was all coincidence. All the way down.
Oh that meeting where in the middle of conspiring and colluding Jared texted his admin to call him so he has a pretext to get out.
and also interesting was that Glenn Simpson of FusionGPS met with the Russian lawyer Velseitskaya before the Trump Tower meeting, and then again after it, I believe all on the same day.
Of course, it was all coincidence. All the way down.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 08, 2019 07:31 PM (sy5kK)
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Does anyone remember a movie where someone wants to create "buzz" around himself or herself so the person starts "talking him/herself up" where people can hear the name?
This was parodied on Arrested Development, with Tobias Funke talking up this hot young actor Tobias Funke, but I am going to guess it's been done in a high school romance movie or a Secret of My Success type movie.
Where it was done as part of the real plot, not a joke/parody thing.
Can anyone help a Movie Executive Guy out with this kind of reference?
This was parodied on Arrested Development, with Tobias Funke talking up this hot young actor Tobias Funke, but I am going to guess it's been done in a high school romance movie or a Secret of My Success type movie.
Where it was done as part of the real plot, not a joke/parody thing.
Can anyone help a Movie Executive Guy out with this kind of reference?
Posted by: Movie Executive Guy at August 08, 2019 07:31 PM (PbpT7)
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note to self from Lizzy in another thread
151 >>Goolag was extremely tight with TFG's administration. Their principals met in the WH almost monthly.
IIRC Obama hired a Google exec for IT/Tech advisor position for a while?
Also, Hillary's State department welcomed Google, which is when they decided they wanted to get into diplomacy, national security, etc.. Eric Schmidt then worked for Hillary's 2016 campaign.
Eric Schmidt also co-founded or financed(?) Crowdstrike.
The Perkins Coie lawyer who worked for Hillary's campaign, DNC, Obama for America, Google AND Crowdstrike: Marc Elias.
In a word, incestuous.
151 >>Goolag was extremely tight with TFG's administration. Their principals met in the WH almost monthly.
IIRC Obama hired a Google exec for IT/Tech advisor position for a while?
Also, Hillary's State department welcomed Google, which is when they decided they wanted to get into diplomacy, national security, etc.. Eric Schmidt then worked for Hillary's 2016 campaign.
Eric Schmidt also co-founded or financed(?) Crowdstrike.
The Perkins Coie lawyer who worked for Hillary's campaign, DNC, Obama for America, Google AND Crowdstrike: Marc Elias.
In a word, incestuous.
Posted by: ace at August 08, 2019 07:35 PM (PbpT7)
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Since its the set-up, you definitely need the aussie Downer in the meeting, I don't know the particulars though.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 08, 2019 07:48 PM (r+sAi)
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249 Leftcoastdawg, some of it was ridiculous on its face. Carter Page was supposedly offered 20 percent of Gazprom as an incentive payment, which would have been worth billions of dollars. The golden shower story.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 08, 2019 07:49 PM (BBBoi)
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Bruce Ohr told the rest of the FBI, in summer(?) of 2016 that the info in the Steele dossier could not be trusted. I believe that McCabe was one of those in that meeting.
So the FBI knew the dossier was bad before Mueller was even hired.
Guessing he said that because his wife worked for FusionGPS at the time and that was her project. Who better than the author/researcher to source information.
Bruce Ohr told the rest of the FBI, in summer(?) of 2016 that the info in the Steele dossier could not be trusted. I believe that McCabe was one of those in that meeting.
So the FBI knew the dossier was bad before Mueller was even hired.
Guessing he said that because his wife worked for FusionGPS at the time and that was her project. Who better than the author/researcher to source information.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 08, 2019 07:49 PM (sy5kK)
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IIRC Obama hired a Google exec for IT/Tech advisor position for a while?
===========
Google's former head of global public policy, Andrew McLaughlin, joined the Obama White House as U.S. Deputy Chief Technology Officer reporting to Aneesh Chopra, the Chief Technology Officer.
NYT: https://tinyurl.com/y23b2hk2
He was subsequently reprimanded for improperly contacting former colleagues in violation of Obama administration ethics rules.
WaPo: https://tinyurl.com/yyv2bxok
===========
Google's former head of global public policy, Andrew McLaughlin, joined the Obama White House as U.S. Deputy Chief Technology Officer reporting to Aneesh Chopra, the Chief Technology Officer.
NYT: https://tinyurl.com/y23b2hk2
He was subsequently reprimanded for improperly contacting former colleagues in violation of Obama administration ethics rules.
WaPo: https://tinyurl.com/yyv2bxok
Posted by: ShainS at August 08, 2019 07:50 PM (WqPYg)
Posted by: bluebell at August 08, 2019 07:51 PM (aXucN)
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This should be perfect for a pitch meeting:All the collusion stories are inconsistent with each other if you look at timing.
Donald Jr tried to setup a backchannel at the Russian embassy.This was after the election, why does he need to set up a backchannel when they have been colluding for months?
Meeting at Trump Tower in July. Why was this setup by a music producer in Ireland when they had been colluding over the hacking of DNC in May? Why even have the meeting to get dirt on Hillary if they had already been colluding about it thru Carter Page and Michael Cohen?
Donald Jr tried to setup a backchannel at the Russian embassy.This was after the election, why does he need to set up a backchannel when they have been colluding for months?
Meeting at Trump Tower in July. Why was this setup by a music producer in Ireland when they had been colluding over the hacking of DNC in May? Why even have the meeting to get dirt on Hillary if they had already been colluding about it thru Carter Page and Michael Cohen?
Posted by: MikeN at August 08, 2019 07:52 PM (o/eHL)
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This might be a funny addition, Ace: recall that, per McCabe's book, Robert Mueller left his cell phone inside the Trump oval office following his meeting/interview for the FBI Director job -- after which he was appointed Special Counsel like the next day?
Breitbart: https://tinyurl.com/yybyaoms
Breitbart: https://tinyurl.com/yybyaoms
Posted by: ShainS at August 08, 2019 07:56 PM (WqPYg)
269
Writer Guy: " So then we'll have have Rosenstein bring Mueller to the White House for a meeting with the President."
Studio
Guy: "You mean Robert Mueller, the same guy Rosenstein will name,
the very next day, as the Special Counsel investigating
the President?
WG: (grins) "I don't know!"
SG: "Well OK, then!"
Studio
Guy: "You mean Robert Mueller, the same guy Rosenstein will name,
the very next day, as the Special Counsel investigating
the President?
WG: (grins) "I don't know!"
SG: "Well OK, then!"
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at August 08, 2019 08:03 PM (jjaLl)
270
I always thought it was pretty funny that in the FBI Lovers text message transcripts Strozk was "INBOX" and Lisa Page was "OUTBOX." Always assumed it was a little inside joke for the IG guys.
IG guy1: Shouldn't the chick be the "INBOX"?
IG guy2: Really? You never heard all those stories about Strozk's training days at Quantico?
IG guy1: Shouldn't the chick be the "INBOX"?
IG guy2: Really? You never heard all those stories about Strozk's training days at Quantico?
Posted by: Frankovich's Monster at August 08, 2019 08:10 PM (dYe5S)
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If not already mentioned: Andew McCarthy insists that Obama knew because the investigation was counter-intelligence, not criminal, and counter-intelligence investigations are "done for the President."
Period. End Of Sentence. Full-Stop.
Period. End Of Sentence. Full-Stop.
Posted by: ShainS at August 08, 2019 08:14 PM (WqPYg)
272
I dunno. Maybe it's just me but it seems like this story has more holes in it than the Titanic.
What kind of fools would buy any of this never mind put it on the air?
What kind of fools would buy any of this never mind put it on the air?
Posted by: Lily, formerly of Hot Air now of AoSHQ, Assassin in the Night, not an NPC at August 08, 2019 08:16 PM (hBqmU)
273
Opening of FBI logo door has December 2015 subtitle.
FBI: So, I hear you have a Russia Collusion conspiracy to pitch me?
Dem: Yes sir, I do.
F: Sounds like a thriller, could be exciting!
D: That's true Sir, very exciting.
F:Ok great, what in it?
D: Well sir, the basic premise is that Donald Trump is colluding with the Russians to steal the election.
F: Oh, no! That's a threat to our Democracy. This sounds bad.
D: It sure does sir. So, every great spy series needs a macguffin. In this series the macguffin is going to be the Steele Dossier. The SD is going to be filled with allegations of wrongdoing by Candidate Trump of colluding with Russians.
F: Uh, oh. Why is it called the Steele Dossier?
D: It is written by an ex MI6 agent based on information gleaned from sources high up in the Russian government.
F: Why would this Steele be doing this work if he's retired? I mean who's paying for the dossier?
D: *whispers under cough* Hillary campaign.
F: What was that? What did you say?
D: The Hillary Campaign sir.
F: Wait if the Hillary campaign is working with Russians how is this not Russian Collusion also.
D: I don't know.
F: Fair enough.
D: So, The Russians hack the DNC servers and steal all the emails. The SD is going to say that Trump paid for Russia to do the hacking.
F: This is sounding promising? So they got the goods on the Russians for hacking the DNC but now they need the SD to tie Trump to it?
D: Actually, we have no way of knowing if the Russians hacked the server since the DNC won't give the FBI access to it.
F: Wait, isn't it going to be hard to tie Trump to colluding with Russia to hack the DNC servers when we don't have access to it?
D: Actually sir it's going to be super easy, barely an inconvenience.
F: Oh
D: Yes, the DNC is going to just hire some flunkies at a DNC allied firm called Crowdstrike to say it was the Russians.
F: Aren't people going to be skeptical?
D: Maybe, if it comes down to it we'll hire some corrupt early onset dementia FBI retiree to conduct a sham investigation . We'll have him indict some Russian intelligence officers for it.
F: Isn't that risky, he could lose the case and get exposed.
D:Well as it happens these particular Russians are in Russia and they'll never see the inside of a courtroom.
F: Wow, filing court cases you have no intention of prosecuting is tight!
D: Yes it is sir.
R: I'm liking what I'm hearing but I think we need to sex it up.
D: I was getting to that sir. The SD also accuses Trump of having some hookers pee all over each other at the Ritz-Carlton in Moscow because Obama once stayed there.
F: Grrr, watching hookers pee all over each other
*interupting*
D: Sorry we just did that one and also, "NO"
F: *forlorn* ok, anyway is there any evidence for this or...
D: Who knows, its going to slip our mind to verify anything in the SD until after President Hillary is elected.
F: Whoops
D: Whoopsie.
F: It's starting to seem like this SD is just a bunch of stuff this Steele guy made up.
D: That's certainly what the Judge on our first attempt to get a FISA warrant is going to think.
F: Oh my a setback!
D: Yeah, we'll try to use the SD to get a FISA on Carter Paige who's a campaign associate who's mentioned in the SD.
F: And the Judge ain't having it.
D: Im afraid not sir
F: This is starting to sound a little hinky.
D: Don't worry sir. We'll have been working on a parallel track. In the ordinary course of your work you'll have been sending overseas assets at Trump Campaign associates to see if they are working with the Russians. This is totally normal and not unprecedented and also if anyone asks about it we'll lie our asses off about it.F: ObviouslyD: Matter of course
F: Are they? Colluding with the Russians that is.
D: Doesn't matter.
F: *taken aback* Oh. so they aren't
D: Don't get off track sir. We're going to send a guy named Stephan Mifsud at a low level Trump Campaign foreign policy guy named George Papadolofus.
F:*giggling* that's a funny name. Funny names are *hesitant*
D: Go ahead
F: Tight!
D: Anyway we're going to have Mifsud tell Papasnufalopigus that the Russians have thousands of Hillary emails.
F: But Mifsud is one of ours, how does he know if the Russians have Hillaries
*interupting*
D: *impatient* he doesn't have any idea what the Russians have ok. Now let me finish, President Clinton is not going to be happy about any of this nay saying.
F: Sorry
D: Right, so then we'll send an Australian asset by the name of Downer at Papadupalptus and claim that Papadptulus told him that he heard the Russians have Hillaries emails.
F: Wait will papaduptfolus actually tell Downer that or.......
D: He'll claim he didn't but who cares. President Clinton will sweep all this under rug once she's elected.
F: *relieved* oh
D: So we'll just make a new FISA application for Paige including this Papasnugalufagus info and we'll get our FISA.
F: How does new info about this Papadofaluanus affect Carter Paiges status?
D: Don't worry about it that's how. We'll have our FISA and then we'll leak the investigation to the Press and it's all over. No chance Trump will win.
F: I'm starting wonder if maybe this isn't pretty dangerous and could affect my career.
D: Do you think bad FBI agents get to take the Lolita Express to Pedophile IslandF: I like pedophile Island!
D: Sounds like you've got some work to do!
You could have subsequent meetings for after Trumps elected and then after the Mueller report to tie it up.
FBI: So, I hear you have a Russia Collusion conspiracy to pitch me?
Dem: Yes sir, I do.
F: Sounds like a thriller, could be exciting!
D: That's true Sir, very exciting.
F:Ok great, what in it?
D: Well sir, the basic premise is that Donald Trump is colluding with the Russians to steal the election.
F: Oh, no! That's a threat to our Democracy. This sounds bad.
D: It sure does sir. So, every great spy series needs a macguffin. In this series the macguffin is going to be the Steele Dossier. The SD is going to be filled with allegations of wrongdoing by Candidate Trump of colluding with Russians.
F: Uh, oh. Why is it called the Steele Dossier?
D: It is written by an ex MI6 agent based on information gleaned from sources high up in the Russian government.
F: Why would this Steele be doing this work if he's retired? I mean who's paying for the dossier?
D: *whispers under cough* Hillary campaign.
F: What was that? What did you say?
D: The Hillary Campaign sir.
F: Wait if the Hillary campaign is working with Russians how is this not Russian Collusion also.
D: I don't know.
F: Fair enough.
D: So, The Russians hack the DNC servers and steal all the emails. The SD is going to say that Trump paid for Russia to do the hacking.
F: This is sounding promising? So they got the goods on the Russians for hacking the DNC but now they need the SD to tie Trump to it?
D: Actually, we have no way of knowing if the Russians hacked the server since the DNC won't give the FBI access to it.
F: Wait, isn't it going to be hard to tie Trump to colluding with Russia to hack the DNC servers when we don't have access to it?
D: Actually sir it's going to be super easy, barely an inconvenience.
F: Oh
D: Yes, the DNC is going to just hire some flunkies at a DNC allied firm called Crowdstrike to say it was the Russians.
F: Aren't people going to be skeptical?
D: Maybe, if it comes down to it we'll hire some corrupt early onset dementia FBI retiree to conduct a sham investigation . We'll have him indict some Russian intelligence officers for it.
F: Isn't that risky, he could lose the case and get exposed.
D:Well as it happens these particular Russians are in Russia and they'll never see the inside of a courtroom.
F: Wow, filing court cases you have no intention of prosecuting is tight!
D: Yes it is sir.
R: I'm liking what I'm hearing but I think we need to sex it up.
D: I was getting to that sir. The SD also accuses Trump of having some hookers pee all over each other at the Ritz-Carlton in Moscow because Obama once stayed there.
F: Grrr, watching hookers pee all over each other
*interupting*
D: Sorry we just did that one and also, "NO"
F: *forlorn* ok, anyway is there any evidence for this or...
D: Who knows, its going to slip our mind to verify anything in the SD until after President Hillary is elected.
F: Whoops
D: Whoopsie.
F: It's starting to seem like this SD is just a bunch of stuff this Steele guy made up.
D: That's certainly what the Judge on our first attempt to get a FISA warrant is going to think.
F: Oh my a setback!
D: Yeah, we'll try to use the SD to get a FISA on Carter Paige who's a campaign associate who's mentioned in the SD.
F: And the Judge ain't having it.
D: Im afraid not sir
F: This is starting to sound a little hinky.
D: Don't worry sir. We'll have been working on a parallel track. In the ordinary course of your work you'll have been sending overseas assets at Trump Campaign associates to see if they are working with the Russians. This is totally normal and not unprecedented and also if anyone asks about it we'll lie our asses off about it.F: ObviouslyD: Matter of course
F: Are they? Colluding with the Russians that is.
D: Doesn't matter.
F: *taken aback* Oh. so they aren't
D: Don't get off track sir. We're going to send a guy named Stephan Mifsud at a low level Trump Campaign foreign policy guy named George Papadolofus.
F:*giggling* that's a funny name. Funny names are *hesitant*
D: Go ahead
F: Tight!
D: Anyway we're going to have Mifsud tell Papasnufalopigus that the Russians have thousands of Hillary emails.
F: But Mifsud is one of ours, how does he know if the Russians have Hillaries
*interupting*
D: *impatient* he doesn't have any idea what the Russians have ok. Now let me finish, President Clinton is not going to be happy about any of this nay saying.
F: Sorry
D: Right, so then we'll send an Australian asset by the name of Downer at Papadupalptus and claim that Papadptulus told him that he heard the Russians have Hillaries emails.
F: Wait will papaduptfolus actually tell Downer that or.......
D: He'll claim he didn't but who cares. President Clinton will sweep all this under rug once she's elected.
F: *relieved* oh
D: So we'll just make a new FISA application for Paige including this Papasnugalufagus info and we'll get our FISA.
F: How does new info about this Papadofaluanus affect Carter Paiges status?
D: Don't worry about it that's how. We'll have our FISA and then we'll leak the investigation to the Press and it's all over. No chance Trump will win.
F: I'm starting wonder if maybe this isn't pretty dangerous and could affect my career.
D: Do you think bad FBI agents get to take the Lolita Express to Pedophile IslandF: I like pedophile Island!
D: Sounds like you've got some work to do!
You could have subsequent meetings for after Trumps elected and then after the Mueller report to tie it up.
Posted by: huh? at August 08, 2019 08:22 PM (n/UrX)
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"Did you ever wonder how absurd it was to cast Wretched Excess Super-Capitalist Donald Trump as a communist sleeper agent!
PLOT TWIST!!!!" ace
yeah, absurd. A lefty guy claims the whole thing was cover for Hillary and Uranium One, but also an attack on Trump's strength ... he loved America. So they undercut "America First" patriotism by injecting doubt "Oh he's a Russian stooge". And they have 24/7 media support to carry their BigLie.
Also framing Trump/Russia was Hillary was weak on defense ... reset button, uranium one, skolkovo ... so she started talking tuff, like she was ready to go to war.
So it is absurd, but in politics, attacking the greatest strength of an opponent is par for the course, for the Dem left at least. "Romney didn't pay taxes for ten years" ... because voters saw Romney's financial abilities as an asset (I guess).
PLOT TWIST!!!!" ace
yeah, absurd. A lefty guy claims the whole thing was cover for Hillary and Uranium One, but also an attack on Trump's strength ... he loved America. So they undercut "America First" patriotism by injecting doubt "Oh he's a Russian stooge". And they have 24/7 media support to carry their BigLie.
Also framing Trump/Russia was Hillary was weak on defense ... reset button, uranium one, skolkovo ... so she started talking tuff, like she was ready to go to war.
So it is absurd, but in politics, attacking the greatest strength of an opponent is par for the course, for the Dem left at least. "Romney didn't pay taxes for ten years" ... because voters saw Romney's financial abilities as an asset (I guess).
Posted by: illiniwek at August 08, 2019 08:35 PM (Cus5s)
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Try the laundry list at http://www.bookwormroom.com/2019/08/05/time-for-a-reckoning-against-the-anti-trump-coup-leaders/
Posted by: Scott at August 08, 2019 08:45 PM (Zetpc)
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Posted by: Movie Executive Guy at August 08, 2019 07:31 PM (PbpT7)
Sounds like something Bill Murray would have done but damned if I can think of a specific example.
Sounds like something Bill Murray would have done but damned if I can think of a specific example.
Posted by: ... at August 08, 2019 09:10 PM (uEbPt)
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Q. But didn't russian oligarchs cut a deal with secretary clinton to obtain US uranium exports through the Uranium One deal?A. I think soQ. Well wouldn't they clearly prefer her as president as opposed to trump, who promises to screw the iran deal and shitcan nearly all US trade deals?
A. I dunno
A. I dunno
Posted by: steve at August 08, 2019 09:20 PM (TTy55)
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Peter Strzok: "Are you free this morning after the meeting with Brennan, Andy, Jimmy, Ohr? I want you to tell me what you thought of the 387 separate photos of my "Lil' G-man"."
Lisa Page:"I am exhausted from viewing all 387 pix last night. Glad you did not use the official workphone for that. Remember when you sent one to Nellie by accident and she put up a "reply all" email asking what sort of amphibian it was as she was playing Animal Planet trivia game on her phone coincidently and thought it was part of the game, Senor Axolotl?? ;-)"
Strzok: "Grrrr. Axolotls GROW QUITE LARGE!"
Page:"LOLZ"
Peter Strzok: "Are you free this morning after the meeting with Brennan, Andy, Jimmy, Ohr? I want you to tell me what you thought of the 387 separate photos of my "Lil' G-man"."
Lisa Page:"I am exhausted from viewing all 387 pix last night. Glad you did not use the official workphone for that. Remember when you sent one to Nellie by accident and she put up a "reply all" email asking what sort of amphibian it was as she was playing Animal Planet trivia game on her phone coincidently and thought it was part of the game, Senor Axolotl?? ;-)"
Strzok: "Grrrr. Axolotls GROW QUITE LARGE!"
Page:"LOLZ"
Posted by: Donovan Nuera at August 09, 2019 12:18 AM (iucaD)
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[Scene: Georgetown dive bar. 1 AM; Mueller puking in dirty unisex toilet stall. Tanqueray bottle on floor. Patrons banging on locked door trying to get in. Mueller's phone rings..]
Mueller screaming into phone:"Congresthinal hearingth at 8 in the f$@F#$ morning???!!! Oh f%^$^$#%$#%$^%$. I will be hoooome in 5 minutes, Honey..".
Mueller screaming into phone:"Congresthinal hearingth at 8 in the f$@F#$ morning???!!! Oh f%^$^$#%$#%$^%$. I will be hoooome in 5 minutes, Honey..".
Posted by: Donovan Nuera at August 09, 2019 12:33 AM (iucaD)
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85 no the premise is that he's pitching it as an actual DNC/DOJ/IC operation, not as a movie.
I bet the executive doesn't know that.
Posted by: t-bird at August 08, 2019 05:21 PM (Ydn2k)
I like this idea a lot. You could have the Pitch Guy start off saying something like, "So, I've got this idea," and then much later on, the executive says something like, "So, in this movie," and the Pitch Guy says, "Not a movie." (But in Ace humor.)
Also, at the very end, you could reveal the Pitch Guy to be somebody else. Like, he turns around, and then show a clip of Hillary! in her struggle up the stairs or something, superimposed on him. Or maybe otherwise show he's on Team Hillary!, just by something he says. Or all of the above.
I bet the executive doesn't know that.
Posted by: t-bird at August 08, 2019 05:21 PM (Ydn2k)
I like this idea a lot. You could have the Pitch Guy start off saying something like, "So, I've got this idea," and then much later on, the executive says something like, "So, in this movie," and the Pitch Guy says, "Not a movie." (But in Ace humor.)
Also, at the very end, you could reveal the Pitch Guy to be somebody else. Like, he turns around, and then show a clip of Hillary! in her struggle up the stairs or something, superimposed on him. Or maybe otherwise show he's on Team Hillary!, just by something he says. Or all of the above.
Posted by: m at August 09, 2019 01:46 AM (PKJKn)
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267 This should be perfect for a pitch meeting:All the collusion stories are inconsistent with each other if you look at timing.
Donald Jr tried to setup a backchannel at the Russian embassy.This was after the election, why does he need to set up a backchannel when they have been colluding for months?
Meeting at Trump Tower in July. Why was this setup by a music producer in Ireland when they had been colluding over the hacking of DNC in May? Why even have the meeting to get dirt on Hillary if they had already been colluding about it thru Carter Page and Michael Cohen?
Posted by: MikeN at August 08, 2019 07:52 PM (o/eHL)
Those actions could be explained, by an anti-Trumper, as being done to gain plausible deniability. Like, say, if I've got the phone number of Agent X, whom I've been calling for months, and you say, "Do you have Agent X's phone number?" and I say, "No, and do you know any way that I could get it?" and then you give it to me, and I say, "Thanks."
Donald Jr tried to setup a backchannel at the Russian embassy.This was after the election, why does he need to set up a backchannel when they have been colluding for months?
Meeting at Trump Tower in July. Why was this setup by a music producer in Ireland when they had been colluding over the hacking of DNC in May? Why even have the meeting to get dirt on Hillary if they had already been colluding about it thru Carter Page and Michael Cohen?
Posted by: MikeN at August 08, 2019 07:52 PM (o/eHL)
Those actions could be explained, by an anti-Trumper, as being done to gain plausible deniability. Like, say, if I've got the phone number of Agent X, whom I've been calling for months, and you say, "Do you have Agent X's phone number?" and I say, "No, and do you know any way that I could get it?" and then you give it to me, and I say, "Thanks."
Posted by: m at August 09, 2019 02:57 AM (PKJKn)
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I like this idea a lot.
That would be funny if they derived their whole legitimacy from a movie executive who loved the idea, thinking it was a movie.
Finally! Something more far-fetched than what actually happened.
That would be funny if they derived their whole legitimacy from a movie executive who loved the idea, thinking it was a movie.
Finally! Something more far-fetched than what actually happened.
Posted by: t-bird at August 09, 2019 08:20 AM (g0Lfb)
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I think you should pitch a movie based on the fact that Obama totally abrogated the rule of law in how the damn car companies got bailed out, but didn't pay their investors jack shit. That to me was the true beginning of the end. Your protagonist could have some "great awakening moment" and then flash forward to today with all the crap going on. Theme music with the voice over "it's a slippery slope from well intentioned government intervention (cough cough) to total anarchy, and the descent is fast and smooth..."
Posted by: Satrose at August 09, 2019 09:03 AM (nycWw)
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I envision Shearer and Blumenthal pitching Podesta on the Russian theory first. They apologize for no actual facts, and promise to fill in later, but ask to be heard out on just the barest outlines of the idea. Lots of laughing over Blumenthal and Shearer particularly wanting a "golden shower" plot line, until it uncomfortably occurs to Podesta that Shearer and Blumenthal really kinda like golden showers. He is hearing personal perversion wishes that he thinks disgusting. What he's asking for is a plotline that involves underage kids (and maybe pizza parties), but he keeps getting Moscow hookers instead. Oh well.
They had no realization as they spoke that the whole thing would eventually incorporate actual collusion, and from the Podesta brothers themselves. Goofball Pedesta never saw the light in the tunnel as an oncoming train, aimed particularly at his own brother and their firm, he thought it was a garden variety Political Dirty Trick idea light.
They had no realization as they spoke that the whole thing would eventually incorporate actual collusion, and from the Podesta brothers themselves. Goofball Pedesta never saw the light in the tunnel as an oncoming train, aimed particularly at his own brother and their firm, he thought it was a garden variety Political Dirty Trick idea light.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, ye olde cofefvist deplorable at August 09, 2019 09:45 AM (NVYyb)
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Taking a chance on an auto-ban but one last absurdity in this chapter came to mind after looking through the Bruce Ohr 302's:
A) Trump and the Russians have set up a secret data channel!
or
B) Someone in the Trump org did not unsubscribe from Alfa bank email blasts.
A) Trump and the Russians have set up a secret data channel!
or
B) Someone in the Trump org did not unsubscribe from Alfa bank email blasts.
Posted by: motionview at August 09, 2019 09:54 AM (pYQR/)
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"But I thought the Clinton Foundation was helping people in Haiti"
The CF paid Blumenthal $10k per month, while he was doing some dirty business in Libya. (Blum' apparently represented some businesses trying to get approval for business in the transitional government ... floating hospitals for war wounded, was one ...those businesses never got the needed state approval, not for lack of Blum' trying, I guess) Blum' also got money from American Bridge and Media Matters, both run by David Brock.
and Blumenthal was sending "off the books" intel reports to Hillary, (against Obama's "order" to keep Blumenthal out). Hillary of course was using her not secured server/email, and a CIA source was likely compromised. Blumenthal was also giving political advice on China, Iran, N Ireland. (or was the CIA guy also trying to get in the biz, idk)
(Soros supposedly once requested military support in a couple countries in Africa, asked for specific people, Hillary go it done for him ... would be handy for him to be able to call in our military, to get "cooperation" in his enterprises)
legal insurrection link tinyurl.com/yxzhgrte
The CF did a lot of work outside Arkansas when it was not legal to do it. Charities have strict rules, Clintons just ignored them ... and worse, it seems they set up accounts with names that were close but not the same by just changing a word. Get a bank to accept those checks and take the money and run .. apparently. Charles Ortel does volumes of work on that.
I still don't grasp the whole pitch man idea, but should be fun and informative. good luck
The CF paid Blumenthal $10k per month, while he was doing some dirty business in Libya. (Blum' apparently represented some businesses trying to get approval for business in the transitional government ... floating hospitals for war wounded, was one ...those businesses never got the needed state approval, not for lack of Blum' trying, I guess) Blum' also got money from American Bridge and Media Matters, both run by David Brock.
and Blumenthal was sending "off the books" intel reports to Hillary, (against Obama's "order" to keep Blumenthal out). Hillary of course was using her not secured server/email, and a CIA source was likely compromised. Blumenthal was also giving political advice on China, Iran, N Ireland. (or was the CIA guy also trying to get in the biz, idk)
(Soros supposedly once requested military support in a couple countries in Africa, asked for specific people, Hillary go it done for him ... would be handy for him to be able to call in our military, to get "cooperation" in his enterprises)
legal insurrection link tinyurl.com/yxzhgrte
The CF did a lot of work outside Arkansas when it was not legal to do it. Charities have strict rules, Clintons just ignored them ... and worse, it seems they set up accounts with names that were close but not the same by just changing a word. Get a bank to accept those checks and take the money and run .. apparently. Charles Ortel does volumes of work on that.
I still don't grasp the whole pitch man idea, but should be fun and informative. good luck
Posted by: illiniwek at August 09, 2019 11:34 AM (Cus5s)
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Don't forget to tart it up with the hot chicks, the Russian and Papadupes wife.
Posted by: Jean at August 09, 2019 11:38 AM (B7KlG)
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You could tart up McCabes wife too
Posted by: Jean at August 09, 2019 11:41 AM (B7KlG)
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like this idea a lot.
That would be funny if they derived their whole legitimacy from a movie executive who loved the idea, thinking it was a movie.
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Pitch meeting guy pitching to Harvey Weinstein. At some point Weinstein says: We'll need investors, get me Epstein on the line!
That would be funny if they derived their whole legitimacy from a movie executive who loved the idea, thinking it was a movie.
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Pitch meeting guy pitching to Harvey Weinstein. At some point Weinstein says: We'll need investors, get me Epstein on the line!
Posted by: Simplemind at August 09, 2019 01:01 PM (MXFtG)
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>> Man, what I can do with the prostitutes peeing on each other.
I don't understand. Whenever I hire a Russian prostitute, I have her pee in my bed.
I don't understand. Whenever I hire a Russian prostitute, I have her pee in my bed.
Posted by: Joe Biden at August 09, 2019 01:38 PM (o2vOl)
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Random ideas, mostly lame:
1. Pitchman explains that "Sources and methods" probably applies to Strozk and Page sex techniques.
2. When asked to explain difficult things, have pitchman use replies like Mueller used in hearings: e.g. "I cannot go into that here."
3. Customer: so the answer to "whodunit?" is... "nobody". That's the fucking ending ... "nobody"? Pitchman: Yep, imagine the potential for sequels! No creative constraints! In the next one, we have Papadopoulos role played by an Eskimo woman in a lesbian relationship with - wait for it... HIS ACTUAL WIFE!
4. Turns out Papadopoulos went to jail for 14 days for refusing to give back the planted cash, which is required for FBI Christmas party.
5. Pitchman rolls out the background on Brennan - communist party member, converts to Islam, promoted to CIA chief - at which point the customer does a huge coffee spit-take, presses button on desk and yells "Security!"
6. Nellie Ohr trying to communicate with Saudi govt in order to ???? but Saudis will not respond to... HAM radio!
1. Pitchman explains that "Sources and methods" probably applies to Strozk and Page sex techniques.
2. When asked to explain difficult things, have pitchman use replies like Mueller used in hearings: e.g. "I cannot go into that here."
3. Customer: so the answer to "whodunit?" is... "nobody". That's the fucking ending ... "nobody"? Pitchman: Yep, imagine the potential for sequels! No creative constraints! In the next one, we have Papadopoulos role played by an Eskimo woman in a lesbian relationship with - wait for it... HIS ACTUAL WIFE!
4. Turns out Papadopoulos went to jail for 14 days for refusing to give back the planted cash, which is required for FBI Christmas party.
5. Pitchman rolls out the background on Brennan - communist party member, converts to Islam, promoted to CIA chief - at which point the customer does a huge coffee spit-take, presses button on desk and yells "Security!"
6. Nellie Ohr trying to communicate with Saudi govt in order to ???? but Saudis will not respond to... HAM radio!
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at August 09, 2019 02:17 PM (ySYar)
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It would be super easy, barely an inconvenience to prominently display a hat-tip or credit to Youtube's Screen Rant and/or Ryan George as the inspiration of these ideas.
Also, idea. Have a politician pitch the script to a movie executive or vice-versa, have a screen writer pitch a script to a person he thinks is a movie executive, but is actually a Democrat political operative.
Also, idea. Have a politician pitch the script to a movie executive or vice-versa, have a screen writer pitch a script to a person he thinks is a movie executive, but is actually a Democrat political operative.
Posted by: David Ferguson at August 09, 2019 03:09 PM (uKptT)
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Ray I like 1,5,6 as they are; wording of #2 should be "beyond my purview".
Posted by: motionview at August 09, 2019 03:15 PM (pYQR/)
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Here is how I frame the present status of the Russia! Russia! Russia! scandal, the biggest and most consequential in the history of the United States:
(1) Mueller inquiry purpose was, in substance, a post-election continuation of the investigation started by the Obama Admin pre-election. Result of inquiry: No coordination, no collusion, no crimes.
(2) Put another way, if during pre-election, the Obama admin had all the same info as Mueller eventually got, there would have been no basis to open the investigation, at any level (criminal, FISA, etc.) in the first place.
(3) That leads us to the present. The new question is, DID the Obama admin have enough of the same information we now have (no crime) such that the investigation should never have been opened? Did the Obama admin, knowing this, nonetheless pursue this investigation for a political purpose - to hurt their GOP Presidential opponent, to prevent his election or to wound him if he was elected?
(4) The newly released Ohr 302s provide further evidence that Obama admin indeed did know that they had no valid predicate on which to open or pursue their Trump investigation. Ohr 302 are just part of the evidence relevant to this point. Another key issue is the timeline.
(5) Timeline issues: To open an inquiry (criminal or intelligence-based), you need a predicate. That is, you can engage in ops until you have an open investigation based on a predicate. We don't have evidence (yet) on this predicate, but rumors continue to fly based on statements made by GOP reps that have seen the evidence, that the US government and certain elements of foreign intelligence, operationalized against Trump BEFORE the Padalopolis and Carter Page meetings, which meetings were presented by the FBI and intelligence communities (and the US Press) as the "official" predicates that allowed the US government to open the Trump investigations. In fact, evidence is mounting that US government and foreign intelligence allies had an op in process not only before the Pada and Carter Page meetings, but that the very purpose of the Op was to set up those very meetings. Yes, entrapment comes to mind, but more seriously, there is a gaping hole in the timeline. If there was an US government inspired operation to set up the Pada and Carter Page (and Trump Jr.) meetings, what was the official predicate for THAT Op?
(6) And, it looks like there is no predicate for that. It looks increasingly like the Obama admin wanted to surveil the Trump campaign, pass that intelligence to the Hillary Clinton campaign, and thus prevent his election. If he WAS elected, this surveillance campaign would be used as an "insurance policy" to hurt Trump and hopefully remove Trump from office. Only problem was, Trump was completely innocent of the charges of Russia collusion/conspiracy (whoops!). They appeared to have believed that it MUST be true, hence the Mueller investigation (Please Oh Great Lord God, let us find SOMETHING, after the fact, that would justify that which we have done....Damn you God!).
(7) So, at end of day, the #1 piece of evidence we need to piece this entire scandal together is to determine when the US government under Obama first operationalized against Trump. If they did it before they had a predicate, in order to GENERATE a predicate or putable predicate, in order to then go to FISA, then people should go to jail in large numbers, including some very very top people in the Obama admin, and the American people deserve to know what Obama himself knew and when he knew it.
(1) Mueller inquiry purpose was, in substance, a post-election continuation of the investigation started by the Obama Admin pre-election. Result of inquiry: No coordination, no collusion, no crimes.
(2) Put another way, if during pre-election, the Obama admin had all the same info as Mueller eventually got, there would have been no basis to open the investigation, at any level (criminal, FISA, etc.) in the first place.
(3) That leads us to the present. The new question is, DID the Obama admin have enough of the same information we now have (no crime) such that the investigation should never have been opened? Did the Obama admin, knowing this, nonetheless pursue this investigation for a political purpose - to hurt their GOP Presidential opponent, to prevent his election or to wound him if he was elected?
(4) The newly released Ohr 302s provide further evidence that Obama admin indeed did know that they had no valid predicate on which to open or pursue their Trump investigation. Ohr 302 are just part of the evidence relevant to this point. Another key issue is the timeline.
(5) Timeline issues: To open an inquiry (criminal or intelligence-based), you need a predicate. That is, you can engage in ops until you have an open investigation based on a predicate. We don't have evidence (yet) on this predicate, but rumors continue to fly based on statements made by GOP reps that have seen the evidence, that the US government and certain elements of foreign intelligence, operationalized against Trump BEFORE the Padalopolis and Carter Page meetings, which meetings were presented by the FBI and intelligence communities (and the US Press) as the "official" predicates that allowed the US government to open the Trump investigations. In fact, evidence is mounting that US government and foreign intelligence allies had an op in process not only before the Pada and Carter Page meetings, but that the very purpose of the Op was to set up those very meetings. Yes, entrapment comes to mind, but more seriously, there is a gaping hole in the timeline. If there was an US government inspired operation to set up the Pada and Carter Page (and Trump Jr.) meetings, what was the official predicate for THAT Op?
(6) And, it looks like there is no predicate for that. It looks increasingly like the Obama admin wanted to surveil the Trump campaign, pass that intelligence to the Hillary Clinton campaign, and thus prevent his election. If he WAS elected, this surveillance campaign would be used as an "insurance policy" to hurt Trump and hopefully remove Trump from office. Only problem was, Trump was completely innocent of the charges of Russia collusion/conspiracy (whoops!). They appeared to have believed that it MUST be true, hence the Mueller investigation (Please Oh Great Lord God, let us find SOMETHING, after the fact, that would justify that which we have done....Damn you God!).
(7) So, at end of day, the #1 piece of evidence we need to piece this entire scandal together is to determine when the US government under Obama first operationalized against Trump. If they did it before they had a predicate, in order to GENERATE a predicate or putable predicate, in order to then go to FISA, then people should go to jail in large numbers, including some very very top people in the Obama admin, and the American people deserve to know what Obama himself knew and when he knew it.
Posted by: RichardWindsor at August 09, 2019 04:09 PM (ixZXQ)
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I'm picturing all the "unnamed sources" leaking to the media about the walls closing in and nooses tightening as the end is near for the President.
Picturing a red phone piped directly to the NYT, with the callers getting more and more ridiculous and the NYT not caring. "OMG run with it!"
1st call deep throat voice
2nd call English accent
3rd call Boris von Borscht
4th call Daffy Duck
Picturing a red phone piped directly to the NYT, with the callers getting more and more ridiculous and the NYT not caring. "OMG run with it!"
1st call deep throat voice
2nd call English accent
3rd call Boris von Borscht
4th call Daffy Duck
Posted by: naturalbiden at August 09, 2019 04:17 PM (4l3fZ)
Posted by: m at August 09, 2019 04:57 PM (qANRo)
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a la butterfly effect:
you could have dream sequences where interesting stuff happens that always seems to end terribly --
for example: nasty stuff in 20 american cities on the day BO is arrested for orchestrating a coup against his suucessor -- and the conclusion of the dream is a wistful decision that it is just not worth it.
you could have dream sequences where interesting stuff happens that always seems to end terribly --
for example: nasty stuff in 20 american cities on the day BO is arrested for orchestrating a coup against his suucessor -- and the conclusion of the dream is a wistful decision that it is just not worth it.
Posted by: jc at August 09, 2019 07:31 PM (PuMKG)
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Hey Ace, I was thinking about some things for your FBI guy to poke holes in the pitch. I'm assuming you're looking for some positives for PDT.
FBI guy: "You really want America to believe that Trump is into kinky secks? You seem to forget that he's been in the public eye for a while and if there was even a hint of this, the whole world would've known about it a long time ago."
"Trump had a highly-rated reality show on TV for how many years? And you're wanting to turn him into the Most Hated Man in America virtually overnight? Think of the perception that the media has already formed of and for him. This is the polar opposite of that. People will never buy it. Hell, even his ex-wives speak well of him."
"Back to the secks thingy, you do know that he's a closet germaphobe and they always have a gallon of hand sanitizer around for presidents anyway as SOP. There's no way he'd be anywhere around peeing Russian hookers."
"I'm not saying that Trump's a boy scout, but his image is pretty clean and good, considering he's been a celebrity for all his adult life. And you really expect the voting public to not notice the bullshit you're trying to get them to believe all of a sudden?"
"You really think the public will believe that the Devil jumped into this man's body the night he got elected? Because that's what your expecting everybody in the country to believe about a guy they already think they know through his own TV show."
"It'll never work. Do you realize just how many media outlets would need to be on board with this idea? All of them. Each and every one, without fail."
OK, that's all I can think of for the moment. Hope it helps.
FBI guy: "You really want America to believe that Trump is into kinky secks? You seem to forget that he's been in the public eye for a while and if there was even a hint of this, the whole world would've known about it a long time ago."
"Trump had a highly-rated reality show on TV for how many years? And you're wanting to turn him into the Most Hated Man in America virtually overnight? Think of the perception that the media has already formed of and for him. This is the polar opposite of that. People will never buy it. Hell, even his ex-wives speak well of him."
"Back to the secks thingy, you do know that he's a closet germaphobe and they always have a gallon of hand sanitizer around for presidents anyway as SOP. There's no way he'd be anywhere around peeing Russian hookers."
"I'm not saying that Trump's a boy scout, but his image is pretty clean and good, considering he's been a celebrity for all his adult life. And you really expect the voting public to not notice the bullshit you're trying to get them to believe all of a sudden?"
"You really think the public will believe that the Devil jumped into this man's body the night he got elected? Because that's what your expecting everybody in the country to believe about a guy they already think they know through his own TV show."
"It'll never work. Do you realize just how many media outlets would need to be on board with this idea? All of them. Each and every one, without fail."
OK, that's all I can think of for the moment. Hope it helps.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #PurgeProgressivism at August 09, 2019 07:41 PM (HaL55)
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Much like the Marvel Cinematic Universe this can be the start the Clinton Political Universe.
Posted by: Minuteman at August 10, 2019 02:43 AM (UvJkY)
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Another glitch in the Matrix was Michael Cohen's trip to Prague. He was supposedly a key element in hooking Trump up with Russia.
But it was the wrong Cohen.
Whoops.
Whoopsie.
This also showed the NSA database was being used to dig for political dirt by Clinton operatives.
The op had several objectives:
Damage Trump.
Counter the Hillary e-mail mess with the Trump collusion narrative.
Cover up the misuse of the NSA database and the FISA abuse.
Use the info as an insurance policy in the highly unlikely event that Trump was elected to destroy his presidency and continue the cover up.
But it was the wrong Cohen.
Whoops.
Whoopsie.
This also showed the NSA database was being used to dig for political dirt by Clinton operatives.
The op had several objectives:
Damage Trump.
Counter the Hillary e-mail mess with the Trump collusion narrative.
Cover up the misuse of the NSA database and the FISA abuse.
Use the info as an insurance policy in the highly unlikely event that Trump was elected to destroy his presidency and continue the cover up.
Posted by: Minuteman at August 10, 2019 03:06 AM (UvJkY)
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Another point that gets glazed over is:
Carter Page was the subject of a FISA.
He was an FBI informant.
He was never charged.
Carter Page was the subject of a FISA.
He was an FBI informant.
He was never charged.
Posted by: Minuteman at August 10, 2019 03:23 AM (UvJkY)
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Huge plot hole in the IC investigation: a thorough anal exam on all things Trump, zilch on anything that got close to Hillary.
The investigation was suppose to be about Russian interference in the election but apparently they forgot to tell Mueller that Trump was not the only candidate.
Jill Stein was a candidate too. But almost nobody voted for her. So I guess that evens out.
The investigation was suppose to be about Russian interference in the election but apparently they forgot to tell Mueller that Trump was not the only candidate.
Jill Stein was a candidate too. But almost nobody voted for her. So I guess that evens out.
Posted by: Minuteman at August 10, 2019 03:29 AM (UvJkY)
303
The entire Russian conspiracy investigation was designed to find the Russians who were able to turn a Presidential election for less than $100,000 and get them to work for the Democrats.
Posted by: SMOD at August 10, 2019 02:57 PM (e8kgV)
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I like the dueling Cohens part. It wil show up in a production soon. Re-written to swap the party affiliations, natch.
Posted by: klaftern at August 11, 2019 04:57 PM (RuIsu)
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