Gun Thread: Mail Call! [Weasel]

We recently had a couple of good questions in the comments regarding barrels, and I thought I'd save them as Gun Thread topics. Pretty smart of me, huh? So without further a-doo-doo, let's take a look shall we?

The first question comes from our pal Gref who asks:

What's your barrel cleaning process and materials?
And how clean is clean enough, when it comes to copper deposits?
(I've only found about 3.6 million different opinions on those topics on the InterWebs!)

Well there are two answers which depend on which gun I'm cleaning. Let's start with the easy one first, which is for the guns I use for recreational shooting. These are the handguns and rifles I take to the range just for the joy of shooting itself, where a score is not being recorded and it's all just for funsies. The answer, honestly, is I do not do much at all. Digging waaaay back in the archives. we find this topic sort of addressed in the September 23, 2018 Gun Thread. Warning: Don't comment in old threads! Anyhoo, to understand my answer, one first has to appreciate that I'm pretty lazy, and all I'm trying to do is keep them properly lubricated and functioning while prohibiting any sort of rust. Rust isn't a big problem for me because I control humidity in my gun safes and keep a light coating of oil on everything. I go hundreds and hundreds of rounds without really "cleaning" anything. Having said that, I have never had any type of malfunction with any of my firearms due to what some of you will no doubt consider a neglectful cleaning and maintenance protocol.

When I do clean these guns, I keep the process pretty simple, and let's call this the:

Basic Cleaning
I like Hoppe's 9 and I use a lot of it with WeaselWoman's toothbrush to get the visible crud out of the nooks and crannies. For stainless steel revolvers, I use a tack cloth with polishing compound on the cylinder face to keep them from looking like crap. If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times, range babes are not attracted to a crappy looking cylinder face. For barrels (both handguns and rifles) my process is to run H9 saturated patches through a couple times first, then either a bronze or nylon brush (with more H9) until it slides through without resistance. Then it's alternating wet/dry cotton patches until they come out clean. If that's taking too long, I may go back through a few more times with the brush to remove stubborn deposits, then repeat the wet/dry patch process. Finally, I wet a patch with oil and run it through the barrel, being careful to keep the chamber dry All in all, I suspect it's about what everyone does, and I do not worry about copper fouling much, if at all. If I'm not in a hurry and want to remove copper fouling the easy way then I use a product called Wipe Out which does an excellent job. Spray the foamy solution into the barrel, leave it overnight, and patch it out the next morning. I will say I also pay a little more attention to my carry pistol, cleaning and maintaining it on a slightly more frequent basis.

And then we have:

More Better Cleaning
This is typically reserved for my match rifles. I'm still lazy as shit, but accuracy degrades significantly unless these barrels are kept pristine, and I clean them meticulously at the end of every day. I never let these barrels go more than 100 rounds without being cleaned, ever. My daily match gun cleaning process is exactly as described above, except I use a Gradient Lens Borescope to inspect the chamber and rifling each day.

Gradient Lens Borescope

optional angled eyepiece

The borescope is a precision optical instrument and represents something of an investment at around $2,000 with the optional angled eyepiece. If you're really serious about seeing inside your barrel, this is the way to go. Again, I use the basic method daily and rather than Wipe-Out I use J-B Bore Compound to remove any remaining copper fouling. A few passes with a small amount of the bore paste on a cotton patch is usually sufficient, but in cases where deposits are stubborn, I may go back with a bronze brush and repeat the entire process until the rifling is clean. For competition, I shoot the overbore caliber 6.5-284 and my barrels only last about 800 rounds due to chamber erosion, so I'm not worried about wearing out the rifling with a little bore paste.

Thanks and I hope this answers your question, Gref!

I know we have a lot of people who are very conscientious cleaners, but how many lazy people like me do we have? Has your sloth in cleaning and maintenance ever caused a problem?

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Our next question comes from Gun Thread regular Semi-Literate Thug who asked something I've wondered about from time-to-time myself:

Parkerizing and similar treatments are done in a hot liquid bath. Is the barrel normally plugged to prevent the surface treatment from reaching the bore?

Parkerizing (or phosphating) is a chemical process of adding a protective coating to steel which gained popularity in WWII. What is this coating, you ask? Well, it's the end result of a process in which a dilute solution of acid and manganese, zinc or iron salts are used to form a crystalline layer on steel which protects the surface from wear and corrosion. It can be done at home, and DIY kits are available, including bore plugs, although I'm not sure I'd try it myself. Anyway, the process requires the surface of the part to be prepared by sanding or bead blasting and then submerged in a heated solution, but how do you keep from parkerizing the inside of the barrel and messing up the rifling or bore diameter? As usual, the answer depends on who you ask, and naturally the internet is full of experts arguing both ways. Apparently the phosphating doesn't "stick" very well to a surface that hasn't been prepared before immersion in the solution, which would support the "don't need to plug" camp, however, Step 1 in the Brownell's Parkerizing Instructions recommends plugging the bore. (Note to the chemists out there: the above few sentences are intended as a quick summary and not intended to represent an exhaustive or particularly technically correct discription of the process - Weasel)

A helpful video of the process is linked HERE.

From Brownell's detailed parkerizing instructions:

TO PLUG OR NOT TO PLUG THE BORE:
It is Brownells recommendation that if the firearm is intended to be fired, the bore should not be Parkerized. The smooth surface of the bore will only take a thin Parkerized coating and part of the coating can be removed with a stiff bore brush and by shooting. The problem lies with the fact that the Parkerizing action will etch the bore to some degree. This etching will cause an increased tendency to foul and in all likelihood, degrade accuracy. In addition, all other things being equal, an etched bore will result in higher pressures than a smooth bore. So, Brownells recommends that all bores should be protected from the Parkerizing process. (A possible exception would be chrome lined bores, which, if in good tight condition, are unaffected by the process.) Recommended plug materials are soft wood, neoprene, or other synthetic materials. Gas ports in autoloading firearms must also be plugged. The easiest way to plug these port holes is to use round toothpicks, driven solidly in place.

The Brownell's answer and explanation makes a lot more sense to me than something opined on the Super Badass Gun Genius Forum by a commenter calling himself BubbaX. Plugging the bore doesn't seem complicated, so why not do it? Don't etch your bore, bro!

Has anyone tried parkerizing at home, and if so, what was your experience with the process? For those who haven't, does it look like something you would attempt?

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:00 PM

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1 Good Evening, Horde.

Posted by: BigZesty at June 23, 2019 07:01 PM (DK0/s)

2 Ah Sunday, BBQ and gubs.

Posted by: Panhandler at June 23, 2019 07:01 PM (MBGf7)

3 Mail call

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 07:03 PM (BbGew)

4 So without further adieu, let's take a look shall we?

Ado. Adieu is goodbye.

Posted by: Pedantischer Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 07:04 PM (fuK7c)

5 How is that mailbox not pockmarked with bullet holes?

Posted by: fluffy at June 23, 2019 07:05 PM (dCRRg)

6 4 So without further adieu, let's take a look shall we?

Ado. Adieu is goodbye.

Posted by: Pedantischer Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 07:04 PM (fuK7c)
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So without further goodbye, let's take a look...

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:05 PM (MVjcR)

7
That pic reminds me of ebay listings from about 15 years ago.

Lots of land for sale on ebay in Arizona and Texas, literally in the middle of the nowhere. These Land-locked lots, about a few acres or so, would be selling for, like, $700. No shit.

I toyed with buying a lot....on a lark, as Dad would say.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 07:06 PM (QU9hs)

8 "That's it for this week - have you been to the range?"

Yeah.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 07:07 PM (t+qrx)

9
Remember the song that goes Adieu Run Run, Adieu Run Run?

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 07:07 PM (QU9hs)

10 A dollar for dollar reimbursement for high end firearms would break the government would be my guess.

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 07:08 PM (BbGew)

11 Bang!

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 07:09 PM (omAHa)

12
Well, I guess not "literally" in the middle of nowhere. The lots were indeed somewhere, namely Arizona or Texas. So figuratively, I guess.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 07:09 PM (QU9hs)

13 Man, I had a question for the group and I'm completely blanking on it now.

If anyone remembers what it was, go ahead and shout it out.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 07:10 PM (t+qrx)

14
What if WE did buy a bunch of lots in Arizona or Texas?
Could we have done something with them?

We'd need water. And a road.
And a sewer...

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 07:10 PM (QU9hs)

15 A dollar for dollar reimbursement for high end firearms would break the government would be my guess.

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 07:08 PM (BbGew)
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Yep. And then everyone would want to negotiate the condition and value of their particular firearm. This will get interesting.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:10 PM (MVjcR)

16 I'm bad about cleaning. Yeah, I do it but I do it grudgingly and I stop when the patches come out "mostly" clean. I figure it's another one of those 80/20 things where the first 20% of the work gets you 80% of the results.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 07:10 PM (KCJPq)

17 picking up two new (to us) shotguns this week, both Ducks Unlimited yearly fund raisers...

herself has decided we should collect these as a hobby.

who am i to argue against such a decision?

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 07:11 PM (omAHa)

18 >>So without further goodbye, let's take a look...

Shalom.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2019 07:11 PM (PxX58)

19 Gum thread!

Posted by: Uncle Si at June 23, 2019 07:11 PM (F7vOh)

20 So without further goodbye, let's take a look...

Shalom.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2019 07:11 PM (PxX5

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That's how we say it at my church.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:12 PM (MVjcR)

21 but I fixed it to be inclusive.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:13 PM (MVjcR)

22 Man, I had a question for the group and I'm completely blanking on it now.

If anyone remembers what it was, go ahead and shout it out.
Posted by: hogmartin

'Why are hog's legs so ugly?'

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 07:14 PM (DrqHq)

23 Buy guns and ammo. I just got called a racist on my personal blog by the tolerant left at Ravelry.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 23, 2019 07:14 PM (Lqy/e)

24 Man, I had a question for the group and I'm completely blanking on it now.

If anyone remembers what it was, go ahead and shout it out.
Posted by: hogmartin
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How do you build a tractor?

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:14 PM (MVjcR)

25 'Why are hog's legs so ugly?'
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2019 07:14 PM (DrqHq)

It hurts when you say that.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 07:15 PM (t+qrx)

26 Hello! Glad I made it to the gun thread. Sundays can be cray cray.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 07:16 PM (xJa6I)

27 It hurts when you say that.
Posted by: hogmartin

Vell, deh are.

Posted by: weft cut-glockenspeil at June 23, 2019 07:16 PM (DrqHq)

28 Not many trees to take down on that long range

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 07:17 PM (BbGew)

29 Gun cleaning . That's why I buy disposable guns, Hi Points .

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 07:18 PM (2DOZq)

30 28 Not many trees to take down on that long range

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 07:17 PM (BbGew)
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Yeah, lucky!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:18 PM (MVjcR)

31 Two (2) Gub Threads in One (1) day! What did we adieu to deserve this, oh Wondrous Weasel?
And what does Weasel Woman think of the taste of Hoppes No. 9 (Nine) on her too(2)thbrush?

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 07:18 PM (R+3Am)

32 23: So they're stalking you. Can doxing be far behind? Just get rid of these lunatics, buy patter books on the secondary market, cheaper and you don't have to pay lib writers.

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 07:20 PM (U7k5w)

33 I'm thinking about purchasing the first firearm I've purchased in about 2 years:

Sig Sauer P365, now available with an external manual safety.

I've been waiting for them to come out with this "Massachusetts compliant" model not because I'm from there (gross), but because I just don't like the idea of the double-action-only long trigger pull with no safety at all. I'd probably shoot my dick off. Probably I"d stuff it into my pocket, and there would be a crayon or tootsie roll in the pocket holster, and boom, no more dick.

Anybody have any experience with the P365? I'm thinking I can replace the S&W J-frame in my front pocket with something with a 1.6 times-longer barrel and sight radius, and twice as many rounds.

And yeah, I know, the S&W doesn't have a safety either. I'm used to revolvers, I'm just not used to a semi-auto with no safety. 90% of the pistol rounds I've fired have been from single-action revolvers, in my youth; most semi-auto shooting, I've done with pistols with manual safeties.

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 23, 2019 07:20 PM (sgHEm)

34 Two (2) Gub Threads in One (1) day! What did we adieu to deserve this, oh Wondrous Weasel?
And what does Weasel Woman think of the taste of Hoppes No. 9 (Nine) on her too(2)thbrush?

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 07:18 PM (R+3Am)
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I spray it with Lysol to hide the Hoppes 9 taste.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:21 PM (MVjcR)

35 I actually *did* go to the range today for the first time in forever. Spent my time working on that slow pull/intense concentration method talked about in that Silverado Academy video posted a while back. It helped a lot. When I tried to speed up, I started pushing shots low and left. I'll have to get back out soon and work on it some more.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 07:22 PM (KCJPq)

36 I did get to the range yesterday and discovered a thing or two.

First, I bought some 124 gr Fiocci 9mm. The 115 gr loads were shooting low in my XD9. I wondered if the 125gr would change the point of impact.

Sure enough! It was bang on dead center with 124 gr loads. So that's good to know. I'll save the 115 gr for testing other pistols. It sure seems to shoot low in the XD9.

Also did some side by side testing for accuracy and ease of shooting with my Ruger SR1911 and the Rock Island Tac 2 the Nurse has.

The sights on the Ruger gave it the edge. But getting new sights on the Rock Island should be easy and not too expensive. The Rock Island had a better trigger reset, IMO.

Also did some shooting with the Glock 42. I'm 'sufficiently' accurate with it but it's not perfect. It is easy to shoot but it obviously is very tiny and makes gripping it and working the trigger a little tricky. Still, it's a great shooting pistol.

And it was a very good day at the range.

Next week will be all about the CZ P07 and the Kadet adapter.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 07:22 PM (xJa6I)

37 A 5.5mm fiber optic endoscope that works with an
iPhone is $35 bucks. and you can take movies of
the bore inspection. or snapshot close-ups.

A higher-end scope is in the 100 buck range.

Posted by: retropox at June 23, 2019 07:22 PM (+SHyF)

38 If there's a better way of getting disarming murderers than disarming just their victims, well I don't know what it could be!

Posted by: t-bird at June 23, 2019 07:23 PM (wCx1p)

39 We always plugged the barrels of our muskets/rifles/shotguns when we did rust browning when I did Civil War reenacting.

Simple corks or rubber stoppers worked fine.

And Brownells rust browning solution worked great for me. Perfect results if you followed the directions.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 23, 2019 07:24 PM (JUOKG)

40 Good evening, everyone.

When I started shooting as a young fellow I just assumed a gun needed cleaning after every session. (It didn't hurt that I loved the smell of Hoppe's 9.) Nobody told me different. Since I began shooting muzzleloaders shortly after, and they HAD to be cleaned after each use, the cleaning bug was reinforced.

I basically follow Weasel's first cleaning procedure. Most of my shooting is with cast bullets at moderate velocities so leading and copper fouling is minimal at best. It works. My guns may show wear from use but there isn't a speck of rust on them after over 30 years and the bores are bright.

I'm lucky. Mrs. JTB likes the scent of Hoppe's. I always knew she was special.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2019 07:24 PM (bmdz3)

41 I actually *did* go to the range today for the first time in forever. Spent my time working on that slow pull/intense concentration method talked about in that Silverado Academy video posted a while back. It helped a lot. When I tried to speed up, I started pushing shots low and left. I'll have to get back out soon and work on it some more.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 07:22 PM (KCJPq)
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Excellent! I thought that video was great. For years I have concentrated on doing that whenever I'm shooting and it was nice to see it described by someone who sounds like they know what they're doing.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:24 PM (MVjcR)

42 Ref cleaning.
Not a big deal for pistol barrels but a bore snake does a MAGNIFICENT job cleaning and lubing rifle barrels.

What I find to be the big deal with the snake is that it takes so much less time to clean the solvent out of the barrel. Instead of running one patch after another for that long long barrel, I can get it very clean with 2 passes of the the snake.

A pass down a rifle barrel is a lot longer than a pistol barrel so it takes more patches to do a rifle barrel.

Posted by: ArthurK at June 23, 2019 07:25 PM (Aqi5D)

43 Cleaning: black powder every time, but just hot soapy and then hot clean water and a patch. Rifles and handguns (non-corrosive) get a patch, then a brass brush, then patches until they look clean. All the field-stripped guts are toothbrushed and Q-tipped. First with a tiny bit of CLP (which is the only solvent used), then dry patches and rags. Then reassembled, function-checked, and handed over to QA to make sure the slide rails and mag wells get the proper amount of cat hair.

When I was little I loved cleaning guns because it meant I got to play with all the guns and detail strip them. I did a full detail-strip, clean, and reassembly of every one of dad's guns several times. Voluntarily. For fun. I'm a lot lazier now, but I still clean mine after every trip.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 07:25 PM (t+qrx)

44 Great thread as always, weasel!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 07:26 PM (gC2IV)

45 Regarding cleaning, I favor guns that don't need it to function because I'm mostly lazy.

The XD9 runs dirty better than any gun I've owned, the Glock family is close second.

.22 LR are the worst, with .38 special....well it doesn't seem to malfunction but it does get dirty.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 07:27 PM (xJa6I)

46 Posted by: retropox at June 23, 2019 07:22 PM (+SHyF)
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I'd tried some of the inexpensive ones and was never happy with the image. Glad you found one that works for you!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:27 PM (MVjcR)

47 Dad had a big glass container of mercury he used for cleaning shotguns. Would probably get him the death penalty today.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 07:28 PM (gC2IV)

48 Anybody have any experience with the P365? I'm
thinking I can replace the SW J-frame in my front pocket with
something with a 1.6 times-longer barrel and sight radius, and twice as
many rounds.

And yeah, I know, the SW doesn't have a safety either. I'm
used to revolvers, I'm just not used to a semi-auto with no safety. 90%
of the pistol rounds I've fired have been from single-action revolvers,
in my youth; most semi-auto shooting, I've done with pistols with
manual safeties.

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 23, 2019 07:20 PM

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I have one and I love it. Mine does not have a safety and I am fine with that. My holster covers the trigger and I am OK with that set up.

They have worked out all of the issues they had when they first came on the market and my gun shoots great and I have never had an issue with it.

Plus it fits in every leather holster that I have for my Glock 42, it's that small. And 10 rounds of 9mm in that small of a package is great.

One downside is that you will not be able to do the 10+1 thing. You can't seat a fully loaded 10 round magazine in the pistol without the slide being back and locked. But 10 rounds of 9mm in that small of a gun is a blessing.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 23, 2019 07:28 PM (JUOKG)

49 Great thread as always, weasel!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 07:26 PM (gC2IV)
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Thanks Duke!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:29 PM (MVjcR)

50 I've been waiting for them to come out with this "Massachusetts compliant" model not because I'm from there (gross), but because I just don't like the idea of the double-action-only long trigger pull with no safety at all. I'd probably shoot my dick off. Probably I"d stuff it into my pocket, and there would be a crayon or tootsie roll in the pocket holster, and boom, no more dick.
Posted by: Pastafarian at June 23, 2019 07:20 PM (sgHEm)

When I'm using a pocket holster, I holster the gun and put it in my pocket as one unit. So it's never placed in my pocket unless it's already holstered and the trigger's covered.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 07:30 PM (t+qrx)

51 Posted by: Pastafarian at June 23, 2019 07:20 PM (sgHEm)

New production SIG 365 are good, I'm hearing. They are tiny. I would make sure you can manipulate the safety reliably under stress. I avoid manual safeties on pistols I plan to carry but you go with makes you comfortable.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 07:30 PM (xJa6I)

52 Met a guy at the range who wasn't a totally new shooter but hadn't in 20+ years with his teenaged son who had never been shooting before. They didn't stay very long but dad did well and the kid looked like he had fun. It was good to see that.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 07:31 PM (KCJPq)

53 Time to put the recliner upright.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 07:32 PM (CFSlN)

54 I just don't like the idea of the double-action-only long trigger pull with no safety at all.
Posted by: Pastafarian at June 23, 2019 07:20 PM (sgHEm)

Just curious, have you considered carrying the Dreyse M1907? It's got a good safe trigger pull.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 07:34 PM (t+qrx)

55 I've read that one is supposed to pull the cleaning tool from the breach to the front so as not to push gunk into the working goodies. I don't know how this can be done on some guns without a total dismantle.

Posted by: Ronster at June 23, 2019 07:34 PM (7AtW1)

56 And what does Weasel Woman think of the taste of Hoppes No. 9 (Nine) on her too(2)thbrush?
Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 07:18 PM (R+3Am)
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You've not heard of Hoppes new marketing slogan?

Hoppes: For that brighter whiter smile!

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 07:35 PM (WEBkv)

57 Scotsman, that's great information. Particularly regarding the holster.

I suspect that the long double-action trigger with no safety will work for most people with no hitch, I just don't have that confidence in my own trigger finger discipline. I rarely get to the range.

Re. the 10+1 -- they have a 12 round extended mag, I'm hoping it fits in my pocket with that, and that I can then fit my pinky onto the grip. And if I can, maybe I'll be able to hit a pie plate from 10 feet, because I really struggle with accuracy with little pistols in my big hand. They're very unforgiving of bad form and lack of practice.

And they have a 15 round mag (!!!) -- I'm hoping to carry one of those as a spare on my non-shooting side. 27 rounds of 9mm at the ready, instead of my current 5 rounds of 38+p.

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 23, 2019 07:35 PM (sgHEm)

58 With all the concerns for injustices in the legal/penal system one way to simply and easily create a correction to one horrible 2nd Amendment injustice would be to change the ridiculous law that strips white collar criminals from ever owning, possessing or using a firearm or ammunition. I'm all for criminals with convictions for crimes where guns were used but to apply the exact same loss of inherent and constitutional rights to a person convicted of wire fraud, embezzlement, etc is just insane.

Posted by: VinylMan at June 23, 2019 07:35 PM (HEX9C)

59 I find that the more I use a particular item, the less strict I feel about cleaning it.
Which is to say, since I know I'll be at it a week later, I don't try to get a given weapon up to same standard I would if I know it's going to sit idle for a while.

I gave up on Hoppe's a while ago. The problem was the smell, which Mrs. Lloyd cannot abide.
So now I use Break Free CLP, which seems to do the job, but doesn't smell nearly as bad.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd - now featuring working web site at June 23, 2019 07:35 PM (cfSRQ)

60 Frankly when I go to the range now (with pistol)I'm only there probably 30 minutes. I preload multiple mags at home and my routine is not the slow pull , fire, review.

I triple /quad tap . Looking to get groups at 8-10 yards within 5-7 inches. Hit center mass is the goal with all the shots.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 07:35 PM (2DOZq)

61 50 ... "When I'm using a pocket holster, I holster the gun and put it in my pocket as one unit. So it's never placed in my pocket unless it's already holstered and the trigger's covered."

THIS!! You can't get to the trigger once the M and P is in my pocket holster. I tried just to test it.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2019 07:37 PM (bmdz3)

62 Sig 365. I've only palmed one, as I mentioned last week, but it felt very good. Better, for me, than a Glock 42.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 07:38 PM (fZcn6)

63 Just curious, have you considered carrying the Dreyse M1907? It's got a good safe trigger pull.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 07:34 PM (t+qrx)

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Ha!

I was thinking about this earlier today. I think a lot of military handguns from the Olden Thymes have stiff triggers precisely because accidental discharge prevention was more important than precision accuracy.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd - now featuring working web site at June 23, 2019 07:38 PM (cfSRQ)

64 Gun thread! Oh the joy!

Under normal circumstances, I'd be lurking during lunch break at the job. But very early in the morning the job tabled a motion of no confidence in me, and about 15 hours later, I gave them my own motion of no confidence. I no longer work there and life is in flux at the moment as I barrel towards what I hope will be a more lucrative, stable path.

Days before all that happened, I did hit a range down in Houston - the beloved Top Gun Range, where I fired 500 rounds through all three of my handguns - an M9, G26, and a Sig P226 TacOps (two of which were featured guests here some time ago). It just felt good to be back out there and my hope is that when things settle down, I can make more systematic visits to the range, as that closing question gazes at me with silent reproach, especially if I haven't been to the range in awhile.

I also tried out the Sig P365 - I see it as an even better EDC than my G26 (and I love the G26, especially now that I have mag extensions which lend me greater control - yes, getting the pinky around the handle is a must!), but I will definitely need a mag extension with it just as I have gotten mag extensions for the G26. The P365 has a lot of "pop" to it - there's just less gun to absorb the recoil. But that's nothing to worry about so long as I have a mag extension to better control the gun.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 07:38 PM (mEn6y)

65 Later all, husband just got home from meeting at the range. Going for late dinner.

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2019 07:39 PM (U7k5w)

66 Great thread, as usual, Weasel!

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 07:39 PM (WEBkv)

67 I triple /quad tap . Looking to get groups at 8-10 yards within 5-7 inches. Hit center mass is the goal with all the shots.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 07:35 PM (2DOZq)
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I think more people would do well to practice to that level of proficiency. Everyone likes making teensy little groups but it's not always going to be practical.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:39 PM (MVjcR)

68 The top picture is fake. It isn't full of bullet holes.

Posted by: DR.WTF at June 23, 2019 07:39 PM (aS1PU)

69 I've read that one is supposed to pull the cleaning tool from the breach to the front so as not to push gunk into the working goodies. I don't know how this can be done on some guns without a total dismantle.

I clean from the breech whenever I can, not because I worry about pushing crud into the action, but because it helps prevent rod wear on the muzzle. They used to bore and rifle barrels from the breech, too, because any wear on the cutter resulting in bore changes would make for a choked barrel instead of a funneled one, and I tend to reflexively follow traditional practice....

Posted by: Grey Fox at June 23, 2019 07:39 PM (bZ7mE)

70 I can't remember the last time I cleaned my gun. With Hillary in the next room, it just kills the motivation.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at June 23, 2019 07:39 PM (QE8X6)

71 *But very early in the morning the job tabled a motion of no confidence in me - very early, after the last gun thread, that is. So it's been a week. No range visits for a little while, but I WILL return!

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 07:40 PM (mEn6y)

72 Great thread, as usual, Weasel!

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 07:39 PM (WEBkv)
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Thank you, blake!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:40 PM (MVjcR)

73 CA ammo buyers, remember, new laws on July 1, and you won't like them.
I fully expect those laws to be overturned, but I have been wrong before, once.
It was a Tuesday, I think...
Meanwhile, it will be a pain in the tush.

Posted by: navybrat, another fine mess at June 23, 2019 07:40 PM (w7KSn)

74 55 I've read that one is supposed to pull the cleaning tool from the breach to the front so as not to push gunk into the working goodies.

Not so much to avoid pushing crap into the innards as to avoid damaging the muzzle by dragging the rod against it.

I don't know how this can be done on some guns without a total dismantle.

Nope. But when you have to clean from the muzzle, use some sort of guide to keep the rod off of the lands.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 07:41 PM (KCJPq)

75 Frankly when I go to the range now (with pistol)I'm only there probably 30 minutes. I preload multiple mags at home and my routine is not the slow pull , fire, review.
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Same here. I'm not there for entertainment, just to keep my hand in. I'll typically run through a mag, take a look at the target, put up a new target, repeat for a total of three targets. If a majority are in the black, I'm through.

I'll never win any contests.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 23, 2019 07:42 PM (KoKdw)

76 Hogmartin, I always holster my revolver that way too -- revolver in the holster, holster in the pocket.

Until I don't, which will probably happen when I'm flustered after having pulled it, if that ever happens. And then boom, no more dick.

Re. the Dreyse M1907: A little new-fangledy for me. And 32ACP -- yikes. But that is pretty funny stuff. Love the almost 90 degree grip angle.

Mark Andrew Edwards -- I'm sure if I ever have to pull the pistol under duress, I'm going to fumble all sorts of stuff. I don't have the handgun combat training some people get; if I lived in a higher-crime area, I'd probably invest in that, instead of a new pistol.

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 23, 2019 07:42 PM (sgHEm)

77 Yo! Fellow gun nuts, does anyone have direct experience with Robinson Arms XCR platform?
Also, b/c I'm afraid to look, what kind of price point should I expect?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 23, 2019 07:43 PM (ty7RM)

78 I was thinking about this earlier today. I think a lot of military handguns from the Olden Thymes have stiff triggers precisely because accidental discharge prevention was more important than precision accuracy.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd - now featuring working web site at June 23, 2019 07:38 PM (cfSRQ)
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Colt 1917 DA 45 Army, 45 ACP

If you want a gun that will give you a finger cramp before you're done taking up the slack in the trigger.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 07:43 PM (WEBkv)

79 It is difficult to get a uniform, good looking phosphate conversion coating on the smooth, low alloy steels typically used in firearms. Hot acid etching is the best surface preparation to avoid a splotchy phosphate coating, but is certainly not DIY friendly. Sand blasting sort of works, but the 'tooth' it creates is too coarse and results in a coarse phosphate finish. Activators, mostly fine dispersions of aluminum oxide particles, can be used to improve phosphate coating uniformity, but they require a lot of experimentation to produce good results.

Posted by: 10x25mm at June 23, 2019 07:43 PM (dhys0)

80 Wife, when I've got the Hoppe's out: "Can't you do that outside?"

Me: "Will you do your nails outside?"

Wife: "Touche."

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at June 23, 2019 07:44 PM (j4zcI)

81 i may have mentioned this last week, but we have apparently ID's the first collectable to purchase with my CnR FFL: a 1954 Mk 1 Ruger

the price is right, and we're not sure if we have one of these already, so why not? it's small and doesn't eat much.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 07:45 PM (omAHa)

82 That mail box...If you drive around Nevada (and probably other western states) all the road signs are full of holes, and I mean all!

Posted by: Colin at June 23, 2019 07:46 PM (DX4xe)

83 Try Simple Green on black power clean-up

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 07:46 PM (BbGew)

84 It is difficult to get a uniform, good looking phosphate conversion coating on the smooth, low alloy steels typically used in firearms. Hot acid etching is the best surface preparation to avoid a splotchy phosphate coating, but is certainly not DIY friendly. Sand blasting sort of works, but the 'tooth' it creates is too coarse and results in a coarse phosphate finish. Activators, mostly fine dispersions of aluminum oxide particles, can be used to improve phosphate coating uniformity, but they require a lot of experimentation to produce good results.

Posted by: 10x25mm at June 23, 2019 07:43 PM (dhys0)
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That's the sort of stuff I was thinking when I said I was unlikely to try it myself. Well, that and spilling hot acid all over the place.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:46 PM (MVjcR)

85 Clank! Clank! Clink! Clank!

Poor, poor mailbox...

In any case, since the wife is out of town my progress on removing the planters she's decided she's not interested in any more is...rototill about a wheelbarrow's worth of dirt loose, shovel it into the wheelbarrow, move the wheelbarrow to the dirt pile out by the gate, return wheelbarrow to the planter area, come inside and sit down for a few minutes. Lather, rinse, repeat. At least one will be done today, the other big one tomorrow morning, the two small ones whenever. Loosen the dirt, dig a bunch more out, bring in some lava mulch, move the patio tables over there.

Posted by: JEM at June 23, 2019 07:46 PM (8erNz)

86 Colt 1917 DA 45 Army, 45 ACP

If you want a gun that will give you a finger cramp before you're done taking up the slack in the trigger.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 07:43 PM (WEBkv)

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The Dreyse has no slack. None. It's like cracking a walnut with your finger.

The funny thing is, I think it was more accurate than the Webley, which has a six-inch barrel.

Clearly, more study is required - and I'm going to have to do pull-ups with my trigger finger.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd - now featuring working web site at June 23, 2019 07:46 PM (cfSRQ)

87 From Gref:

Weasel,
Thank you very much for the info this evening and the link to your earlier thread. All very helpful to me.

I only shoot for recreation. I believe I've been working too hard at getting practically no blue on a
patch with a copper solvent on it. Which means cleaning takes most of the recreation out of my shooting. I've re-started shooting after a very long period of an average of about one range trip every 5 years. I have all the chemicals you use. I'm going to try the Kroil then Kroil and JB Bore Compound method and see how it does.

And thanks for the tip about using polishing compound on a stainless revolver cylinder face. Do you use JB? I am thinking of trying Flitz and Iosso.

Posted by: Gref at June 23, 2019 07:46 PM (AMIL/)

88 Mentioned earlier that it was a .30-'06 day for me at the range. Mr. Garand's love child.
I had been doing seating depth with 150 g. Hornady 150 FMJ-BTs and a scope on my Savage boltie. Got it dialed in - yes, .75" group with a 1" flyer, so a good day.
Then I loaded up some clips, yes, clips of 1960's Greek M2 Ball from CMP and rolled out the CMP M-1.
Iron sights on the gong at 100 from a bag rest - Bam, thump. Bam, thump, Bam thump. Bam, thump. Adjust sight to 200 - Bam, thump. Bam, thump. Adjust sights to 300 - Bam, thump. Bam, thump, ting.
Guy next to me asked if I was having fun.
No shit, Sherlock!
March,1945 rifle, 1952 eyeballs. 2019 chubbie.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 07:46 PM (R+3Am)

89 That mail box...If you drive around Nevada (and probably other western states) all the road signs are full of holes, and I mean all!
Posted by: Colin at June 23, 2019 07:46 PM (DX4xe)[//i]

Even the holes have holes.

Posted by: DR.WTF at June 23, 2019 07:47 PM (aS1PU)

90 CA ammo buyers, remember, new laws on July 1, and you won't like them.
I fully expect those laws to be overturned, but I have been wrong before, once.
It was a Tuesday, I think...
Meanwhile, it will be a pain in the tush.

Posted by: navybrat, another fine mess at June 23, 2019 07:40 PM (w7KSn)
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what new laws?

03 FFL + COE = FedEx/UPS delivery to my door.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 07:47 PM (omAHa)

91 Re. the 10+1 -- they have a 12 round extended mag,
I'm hoping it fits in my pocket with that, and that I can then fit my
pinky onto the grip. And if I can, maybe I'll be able to hit a pie
plate from 10 feet, because I really struggle with accuracy with little
pistols in my big hand. They're very unforgiving of bad form and lack
of practice.

And they have a 15 round mag (!!!) -- I'm hoping to carry one of
those as a spare on my non-shooting side. 27 rounds of 9mm at the
ready, instead of my current 5 rounds of 38+p.

Posted by: Pastafarian at June 23, 2019 07:35 PM

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I have two of the 12 round mags and they make the P365 into something other than a pocket pistol unless you have very big pockets. Mine prints big time with those magazines in my pocket wearing normal jeans. It is very obvious that I am carrying a pistol in my pocket with those magazines. The flush 10 round ones are about the limit of what I can carry comfortably in my pocket.

I just got two of the 15 round mags in the other day and there is no way you are going to ever carry the gun with one of them in a pocket. They are ginormous.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 23, 2019 07:48 PM (JUOKG)

92 For cleaning, Weasel has it right. Once the patches run clean, your good to go.
Once a year or so, I take a particular rifle out of my collection to my gunsmith and let him do his thing so I get a different set of hands and eyes on a detailed cleaning.

Took the Cetme and the FR8 to distance this past week, the Cetme has a pawn shop scope of undetermined manufacture, a 3x9x40, and she slaps steel from 100 to 500 yards no problem. As it should.
The Spanish FR8 surprised me a bit. Iron sights only and she shoots high and right about 2 inches at 100 yards so I hold off depending on distance. She rocked the steel at 100/200 but nothing at 300/400 yards. At 500 yards I was able to hit 3 out of 10 on a man sized torso plate, even though her rear sight only goes to 400 meters.......loads of fun for such a small rifle.

The Cetme is heavy though, like the kettle ball of rifles. I wouldn't want to hump the thing all day but a great shooter.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 23, 2019 07:48 PM (Z+IKu)

93 The Dreyse has no slack. None. It's like cracking a walnut with your finger.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd - now featuring working web site at June 23, 2019 07:46 PM (cfSRQ)

Did you get a chance to do any research on the reset?

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 07:48 PM (t+qrx)

94 I like the smell of Hoppe's, Used to like the smell of gasoline when I was a kid, not so much anymore. Good old leaded regular without the 10 percent whatever.

Posted by: Colin at June 23, 2019 07:48 PM (DX4xe)

95 I have a couple of Number 1 Mk3 Enfield rifles, one from 1916, and one from 1918. The bores on both of these are a wee bit frosted. I have scrubbed them to the best of my ability, but the patches will never be completely clean. I generally shoot commercial ammo in them but occasionally shoot surplus. I was recently given some Iraqi(!!) of indeterminent age... Click.. Bang kinda stuff. I keep the rest of the actions clean and lubed. I shoot them in regular rotation with the rest of the milsurp rifles. I inherited a Number 2A1, the Ishapur Arsenal version in 308 Nato, from 1966, but I have not shot that one yet. I lack a headspace gauge in 308, and I am not so sure about Indian Metallurgy.

Posted by: Jesse in DC at June 23, 2019 07:48 PM (ouR/N)

96 And thanks for the tip about using polishing compound on a stainless revolver cylinder face. Do you use JB? I am thinking of trying Flitz and Iosso.

Posted by: Gref at June 23, 2019 07:46 PM (AMIL/)
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My pleasure, Gref! Either of those will work, and Brownells sells a tack cloth with something already on it. One package is enough to last about 50 years.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:50 PM (MVjcR)

97 I clean from the breach end whenever possible but I'm not fanatical about it. Like Grey Fox said above, my concern is to protect the muzzle. I do use conical muzzle protectors when possible, a habit I picked up from cleaning traditional muzzleloaders.

A benefit of Bore Snakes is they can be fed from the breach most of the time.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2019 07:50 PM (bmdz3)

98 Behold my birthday rifle:

http://bit.ly/2RvHZtC

Ordered back on 02/08 and just delivered this week.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 07:50 PM (yQpMk)

99 Iron sights on the gong at 100 from a bag rest - Bam, thump. Bam, thump, Bam thump. Bam, thump. Adjust sight to 200 - Bam, thump. Bam, thump. Adjust sights to 300 - Bam, thump. Bam, thump, ting.
Guy next to me asked if I was having fun.
No shit, Sherlock!
March,1945 rifle, 1952 eyeballs. 2019 chubbie.
Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 07:46 PM (R+3Am)
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Heh, did much the same with my Garand.

Guys are shooting at steel 175 yards out, using a scoped rifle, and it's a huge target, probably at least 24 by 36 and I'm thumping it using iron sights on a Korean war vintage rifle.

There's also some large gongs at a little over 300 yards I can ring regularly with the Garand.

Damn, those are fine rifles.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 07:50 PM (WEBkv)

100 98 Behold my birthday rifle:

http://bit.ly/2RvHZtC

Ordered back on 02/08 and just delivered this week.
Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 07:50 PM (yQpMk)

Classic power, props

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 07:50 PM (xJa6I)

101 "Colt 1917 DA 45 Army, 45 ACP

If you want a gun that will give you a finger cramp before you're done taking up the slack in the trigger."

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Hold my vodka...

Posted by: M1895 Nagant revolver at June 23, 2019 07:51 PM (j4zcI)

102 Also, apropos of nothing, do any of you Morons happen to have a Browning Hi-Power you want to part with? Particularly an Israeli marked Hi-Power. Or best of all, if only for the irony, a Waffen Marked Israeli overstamped Browning Hi-Power? The more worn the better too. I'm not looking for pristine.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 07:51 PM (yQpMk)

103 88 Mentioned earlier that it was a .30-'06 day for me at the range. Mr. Garand's love child.
I had been doing seating depth with 150 g. Hornady 150 FMJ-BTs and a scope on my Savage boltie. Got it dialed in - yes, .75" group with a 1" flyer, so a good day.
Then I loaded up some clips, yes, clips of 1960's Greek M2 Ball from CMP and rolled out the CMP M-1.
Iron sights on the gong at 100 from a bag rest - Bam, thump. Bam, thump, Bam thump. Bam, thump. Adjust sight to 200 - Bam, thump. Bam, thump. Adjust sights to 300 - Bam, thump. Bam, thump, ting.
Guy next to me asked if I was having fun.
No shit, Sherlock!
March,1945 rifle, 1952 eyeballs. 2019 chubbie.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 07:46 PM (R+3Am)
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Awesome, amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:51 PM (MVjcR)

104 Not overly tired but have to get up at 03:30hrs, that's less than 8 so good evening horde
( the sun is still up)

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 07:52 PM (BbGew)

105 03 FFL + COE = FedEx/UPS delivery to my door.
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 07:47 PM (omAHa)
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Yeah, yeah yeah, rub it in, why don't you?

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 07:52 PM (WEBkv)

106 The Kiwis have lost sight of the real issue: Once they surrender / sell their firearms (price is irrelevant), they will NEVER get the right to own them again back. This is not about money - it's about rights and freedom vs power and control. Sorry mates - you're blowing it.

Posted by: Dr_No at June 23, 2019 07:53 PM (imDUY)

107 Gunga la gunga !

Posted by: JT at June 23, 2019 07:53 PM (7nhhV)

108 106 The Kiwis have lost sight of the real issue: Once they surrender / sell their firearms (price is irrelevant), they will NEVER get the right to own them again back. This is not about money - it's about rights and freedom vs power and control. Sorry mates - you're blowing it.
Posted by: Dr_No at June 23, 2019 07:53 PM (imDUY)

Probably a preview of the US. Nobody wants to pull the trigger and force the government to back down.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 07:54 PM (xJa6I)

109 Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2019 07:52 PM (BbGew)
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Adios, Skip!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:55 PM (MVjcR)

110 I didn't get to the range this week, but I did manage to use up a few hundred rounds Out In The Woods. I had some new things to try out, as I finished most of my shopping for rifles prior to the new stupid rules coming for WA state on July 1st.

Picked up a few AR lowers, not sure what I'll make them into yet. The store in question had a waist high stack of lowers behind the counter, reporting that people would come in and buy 5-10 at a time. I think I should go back and get some more.

Got a Kel Tec CMR-30, the carbine version of the PMR-30 22mag pistol. It's a featherweight and pretty accurate, lots of fun.

A pistol got on the list, due to the absence of any other CZs in my safe- a CZ 97B in 45ACP. Big and heavy, I want to take this one to an IDPA match at some point.

And while I was buying, I added a Hi-Point 4595 carbine because why not. It's actually a nice shooter. After putting a hundred rounds through it, I'm considering doubling the amount of money I spent on it by adding a red dot to it.

Posted by: Lazy Messenger at June 23, 2019 07:55 PM (f0Pv6)

111 I mean, Adieu, Skip!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:55 PM (MVjcR)

112 That's the sort of stuff I was thinking when I said I
was unlikely to try it myself. Well, that and spilling hot acid all
over the place.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:46 PM (MVjcR)

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That reminds of a rather amusing near-event from a couple of weeks ago.

When I began building my Broomhandle from spare parts, the barrel and lower were packed with cosmoline. This was a problem I'd never run across before, and the internet told me to soak the pieces in mineral spirits to get the gunk out.

This I did using a disposable baking tray, which left me with a lot of otherwise usable mineral spirits. So I poured it into one of the cat litter jugs and set it aside for future use.

Flash forward to this spring. I'm burning some brush in the fire pit and wanting to have some water handy, so I see what I take to be an old jug of rain water from the previous summer and set it off to the side so it's within reach if things get out of hand.

The fire burns low and I'm ready to put water on the coals. My eyes fall on the jug, and I notice that the cap isn't perforated, which is what I normally do with rainwater jugs.

OH CRAP.

I hastily returned it to the garage and instead fill an empty jug with fresh water.

I'm sure that once I uncapped it, the smell would have clued me in, but it's a reminder to LABEL re-used jugs with clear fluids in them.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd - now featuring working web site at June 23, 2019 07:56 PM (cfSRQ)

113 Quick post-cleaning/post-handling tip: get a silicone-impregnated reel cloth. Give the gun a wipe-down to remove your salty, oily fingerprints, especially around the grip frame, before you store the gun.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at June 23, 2019 07:56 PM (j4zcI)

114 Probably a preview of the US. Nobody wants to pull the trigger and force the government to back down.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 07:54 PM (xJa6I)
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Yeah, anyone serious gun owner doesn't want to see that particular curtain drawn back.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 07:56 PM (WEBkv)

115 Sidebar pics.

*redacted*

As far as confiscation, only over my dead body.

Posted by: Infidel at June 23, 2019 07:57 PM (geJF8)

116 105 03 FFL + COE = FedEx/UPS delivery to my door.
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 07:47 PM (omAHa)

So in other words you host a quarterly CA MoMe? Got it.

Posted by: JEM at June 23, 2019 07:58 PM (8erNz)

117 And while I was buying, I added a Hi-Point 4595
carbine because why not. It's actually a nice shooter. After putting a
hundred rounds through it, I'm considering doubling the amount of money I
spent on it by adding a red dot to it.

Posted by: Lazy Messenger at June 23, 2019 07:55 PM (f0Pv6)

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I remember shooting the 9mm carbine they had in the 1990s. If you squeezed the grip hard enough, you could stop the ammo from feeding.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd - now featuring working web site at June 23, 2019 07:58 PM (cfSRQ)

118 NZ is a good learning experience for some newbies to observe.

Note they are having trouble confiscating guns because they didn't have a registration scheme in operation.

DON'T LET THE GOV ENABLE A REGISTRATION SCHEME!
It's the first step to confiscation. This happened so quickly they acted too soon.
Don't think the liberals will miss the significance of this.
And be ready to fight any registration scheme no matter how reasonable it seems. Gov't can't be trusted.

Sure there are ways they could piece together a list but it won't be good enough to gather all the firearms.

Even with them there has to be a will on the part of Gov't and the knowledge that the people will back them before they try seizing guns.

Take a look at Vermont, New Jersey, New York, California, Connecticut.

They've all enacted some sort of registration/confiscation and haven't had the sign ups that they KNOW are there by the amount of guns sold.

People are already scoff laws as to registration or seizures.

Don't let them enact a National Registration (other wise known as Universal Background check which REQUIRES a registration scheme to be successful)

Also let's not allow a National RED FLAG Law (Lindsey Graham's pushing one) because they violate basic rules of law with no participation by the owner and the anonymity of the complainant.

And BTW while things are quiet, you can think of it as a hobby.

BUT IT'S NOT A HOBBY! It is a right that all men and women have. You have a right to defend yourself. That means you have a right to the MEANS to defend yourself and that means FIREARM.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at June 23, 2019 07:59 PM (WG0xd)

119 Quick post-cleaning/post-handling tip: get a silicone-impregnated reel cloth. Give the gun a wipe-down to remove your salty, oily fingerprints, especially around the grip frame, before you store the gun.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at June 23, 2019 07:56 PM (j4zcI)
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Great tip. I save old cotton t-shirts and use one (plus "tweezer fingers") when I'm putting them away.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 07:59 PM (MVjcR)

120 i may have mentioned this last week, but we have apparently ID's the first collectable to purchase with my CnR FFL: a 1954 Mk 1 Ruger

Some years ago, my uncle scored a pristine, in the box, Mk I for basically pocket change. The hawk logo inset is red. I am told that it was changed to black after Alex Sturm's death which Wikipedia tells me was in 1951. I think they recently did a special collectors' run with the old, red, logo.

the price is right, and we're not sure if we have one of these already, so why not?

I have no reply to this but I loved it so much that I had to quote it.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 07:59 PM (KCJPq)

121 I should get all my hunting rifles out and check them and clean them. (6) They are in a hiding place the revenuers would never find. (gun grabbers) I have my 22 next to me all the time by the computer. Shot woodchucks with it when I was 12. Winchester Repeating, 1890 heavy....22 WRF

Posted by: Colin at June 23, 2019 07:59 PM (DX4xe)

122 Retrox, do you have any ordering info on the $35 scope attachment to iPhone? I'd love to give one a try.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:00 PM (R+3Am)

123 I got an email with this deal on it

AR-15 .223/5.56 16" Carbine LENGTH 1:8 TWIST W/ 15" SUPER SLIM M-LOK HANDGUARD Upper Kit

$129 shipped to your house.

http://bit.ly/2RwvlLg

I'm thinking about buying one just for the parts.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 08:00 PM (yQpMk)

124 I'm sure that once I uncapped it, the smell would have clued me in, but it's a reminder to LABEL re-used jugs with clear fluids in them.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd - now featuring working web site at June 23, 2019 07:56 PM (cfSRQ)
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Yeah! Yikes!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 08:00 PM (MVjcR)

125 My 1911 is Parkerized. When it was new I hated the color and the feel of it. Then I heavily oiled the Parkerized surfaces and wiped off the excess. Darkened the color and made it nice and smooth-ish.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at June 23, 2019 08:01 PM (j4zcI)

126 98 Behold my birthday rifle:

http://bit.ly/2RvHZtC

Ordered back on 02/08 and just delivered this week.
Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 07:50 PM (yQpMk)

Jeez, Grump. I just got two chubbies in one day!

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:02 PM (R+3Am)

127 Posted by: Lazy Messenger at June 23, 2019 07:55 PM (f0Pv6)

That's a good stack of treasure.

I love my CZ 97, but yeah it's a big boy gun.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 08:02 PM (xJa6I)

128 Jeez, Grump. I just got two chubbies in one day!

Heh. That is a wicked bayonet too. 1954 FN. The tip is like a needle.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 08:04 PM (yQpMk)

129 106
The Kiwis have lost sight of the real issue: Once they surrender / sell
their firearms (price is irrelevant), they will NEVER get the right to
own them again back. This is not about money - it's about rights and
freedom vs power and control. Sorry mates - you're blowing it.

Posted by: Dr_No at June 23, 2019 07:53 PM (imDUY)

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Yeah. If they yell loud enough, they'll get nothing because the government will argue that public safety is more important than their "greed."

The one positive aspect of registry/licensure is that if enough people get permits, it actually acts as a check on confiscation because the authorities realize just how many people they will be pissing off.

Something like 10 percent of Michigan's voting population has a carry permit. It's no coincidence that gun control is a non-issue in this state.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd - now featuring working web site at June 23, 2019 08:05 PM (cfSRQ)

130 RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:00 PM

Seriously, it was just one on Amazon.
I forget the brand; ...it's in a closet somewhere.
DEPTECH??
haven't needed it in a year.

Posted by: retropox at June 23, 2019 08:05 PM (+SHyF)

131 Behold my birthday rifle:

http://bit.ly/2RvHZtC

Ordered back on 02/08 and just delivered this week.
Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 07:50 PM (yQpMk)
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OK - I'm jealous!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 08:06 PM (MVjcR)

132
I clean my weapons monthly, being retired makes this very easy, plus it's a small arsenal anyhow.
My carry piece ( the 1911 ) gets a weekly dust and clean. In all the time I've had it there have been no malfunctions.

It goes to an extremely competent gunsmith each year for thorough inspection and whatever he recommends, I do.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 23, 2019 08:06 PM (KATBx)

133 What's a good entry-level O/U double trap gun, that isn't a youth model?

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 08:07 PM (t+qrx)

134 In proof that the rich get richer and the rain falls on the just and unjust alike, I accidentally purchased a Galil ARM kit, with a barrel, and an ORF receiver from one of my other fakey internet friends. $500. I wasn't looking for one and it just happened. He decided that he was going to build it and just wanted it out.

I think that one of my friends in meatspace has a son that is a FFL07 and one of the things he builds are Galils.

I'm crossing my fingers that I can get it built out for cheap or free.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 08:08 PM (yQpMk)

135 As much as I enjoy my old bolt action and single shot rifles, there is something very satisfying about shooting with a Garand. It's not just the accuracy, although that is a nice bonus. It just feels right for some reason.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2019 08:08 PM (bmdz3)

136 >>>...and that an oiler and thong case be inserted in its butt.”

Not sure where this story's is going.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 08:08 PM (CFSlN)

137 OK - I'm jealous!

Good. Gooood. Your envy has made you strong.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 08:08 PM (yQpMk)

138
$129 shipped to your house.

HAHAAHAHAHAHAHa
*breathe*
HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH...

Posted by: Everyone in NY, CA, NJ... at June 23, 2019 08:09 PM (DrqHq)

139 He decided that he wasn't going to build it and just wanted it out.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 08:09 PM (yQpMk)

140 73 CA ammo buyers, remember, new laws on July 1, and you won't like them.
I fully expect those laws to be overturned, but I have been wrong before, once.
It was a Tuesday, I think...
Meanwhile, it will be a pain in the tush.
Posted by: navybrat, another fine mess at June 23, 2019 07:40 PM (w7KSn)

Why do I think that CA will have more than its fair share of master re-loaders as a result of this stupid law?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 08:09 PM (mEn6y)

141 Congrats, Grump! An Israeli FAL is my #1 dream gun.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at June 23, 2019 08:10 PM (j4zcI)

142 113
Quick post-cleaning/post-handling tip: get a silicone-impregnated reel
cloth. Give the gun a wipe-down to remove your salty, oily fingerprints,
especially around the grip frame, before you store the gun.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at June 23, 2019 07:56 PM (j4zcI)

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I have one of these. Absolutely use for long-term storage, particularly on the 'satin' finish, which seems to give in to rust pretty easily.

I clean wearing gloves, so that helps to an extent.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd - now featuring working web site at June 23, 2019 08:10 PM (cfSRQ)

143 OT but this was the week that I said fuck you to corporate America. Just talked to the Duchess and she's all in. Talking to a few franchisers tomorrow. I may fail, but fuck it I'm out on my own.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 08:11 PM (gC2IV)

144 Yeah, yeah yeah, rub it in, why don't you?

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 07:52 PM (WEBkv)
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~$100 for the COE, submitted on a Fryday, had it on Monday, then app to the ATF with a copy sent to the local LEO Chief (i spent the $ for Registered, so i had proof of delivery) and waited for the ATF.

hadn't heard anything after the ~60-90 days i was told to expect, only to find out it had taken, IIRC, ~30 days, but they had typoed in the wrong zip code, and sent it to a non-existent address up by Yosemite.

Fryday on a holiday weekend, but the section supervisor herself got it ungefked and the new one was on its way, to the right address, the next Tuesday, with her personal assurances that the old one had a note in the file that it had never reached the person named, due to the address, in case someone got their hands on it and tried to use it.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 08:12 PM (omAHa)

145 Part Two(2) to range visit: 4 clips times 8 rounds per clip equals sore shoulder. At least when the recoil absorber is a tee shirt.
But nothing makes holes like .30 cal.!

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:12 PM (R+3Am)

146 Not sure where this story's is going.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 08:08 PM (CFSlN)

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Keep going. I'm listening.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at June 23, 2019 08:13 PM (cfSRQ)

147 An Israeli FAL is my #1 dream gun.

$1400 and 12 weeks wait will still get one at DS Arms until they run out of kits. Or, you can buy the kit, receiver and barrel for about $1K if you want to build it yourself. I paid the vigorish because it comes with a warranty if they build it.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 08:13 PM (yQpMk)

148 143 OT but this was the week that I said fuck you to corporate America. Just talked to the Duchess and she's all in. Talking to a few franchisers tomorrow. I may fail, but fuck it I'm out on my own.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 08:11 PM (gC2IV)

Good luck, man

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 08:13 PM (xJa6I)

149 OT but this was the week that I said fuck you to corporate America. Just talked to the Duchess and she's all in. Talking to a few franchisers tomorrow. I may fail, but fuck it I'm out on my own.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 08:11 PM (gC2IV)
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Good luck! Not sure I'd have the guts to do that.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 08:13 PM (MVjcR)

150 OT but this was the week that I said fuck you to corporate America. Just talked to the Duchess and she's all in. Talking to a few franchisers tomorrow. I may fail, but fuck it I'm out on my own.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 08:11 PM (gC2IV)

Good luck Duke! Tell them to stick it.....nothing ventured nothing gained so they say.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 23, 2019 08:13 PM (Z+IKu)

151 left out the part where the total cost for the two documents was ~$150, and renewal is cheap, if you do it on time.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 08:14 PM (omAHa)

152 After a day at the range we would field strip our rifles, wrap the metal parts in a towel and douse them in a trash can filled with boiling water heated by an immersion heater. We would then further clean and oil before putting them back together. The armorer and assistant would inspect upon turning them in. This was stateside. Overseas we, I at least, were pretty particular in the care of our weapons.

Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at June 23, 2019 08:14 PM (NsTYX)

153 There are no reasonable restrictions on your rights. Not today, not tomorrow, not any other day.
I see Swallowwell will graciously "Let" us keep our handguns and shotguns... How nice of the tyrant.
All "gun control" laws are unconstitutional. We need to be fighting to get rid of all of them. Shall Not Be Infringed is pretty straight forward.
The whole idea of We the People having guns was to keep our elected servants on the straight and narrow. High time we get back to that.

Posted by: Jesse in DC at June 23, 2019 08:15 PM (ouR/N)

154 "Behold my birthday rifle"

Sheesh! I don't especially want one of those and I'm still envious. Plus it should be safe from the gun grabbers since it doesn't have the 'thing' that goes up.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2019 08:15 PM (bmdz3)

155 Good luck to you Duke!!

Posted by: Cheriebebe at June 23, 2019 08:16 PM (a4qVe)

156 5
How is that mailbox not pockmarked with bullet holes?

Posted by: fluffy at June 23, 2019 07:05 PM (dCRRg)

Because the crew is still setting up the smoker and the food table.
Patience.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2019 08:16 PM (sy5kK)

157 144
Yeah, yeah yeah, rub it in, why don't you?

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 07:52 PM (WEBkv)

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 23, 2019 08:12 PM (omAHa)

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Believe me, I am.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at June 23, 2019 08:16 PM (cfSRQ)

158 How is that mailbox not pockmarked with bullet holes?

Posted by: fluffy at June 23, 2019 07:05 PM (dCRRg)
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Holes are on the sides.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 08:17 PM (MVjcR)

159 OT but this was the week that I said fuck you to corporate America. Just talked to the Duchess and she's all in. Talking to a few franchisers tomorrow. I may fail, but fuck it I'm out on my own.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 08:11 PM (gC2IV)

What's on the top of your wish franchise list ?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 08:17 PM (2DOZq)

160 What's on the top of your wish franchise list ?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 08:17 PM (2DOZq)
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Stripper dance studio?

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 08:18 PM (MVjcR)

161 How is that mailbox not pockmarked with bullet holes?

Posted by: fluffy at June 23, 2019 07:05 PM (dCRRg)

Because the crew is still setting up the smoker and the food table.
Patience.

But Ben Had has already hosted a MoMee.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 23, 2019 08:18 PM (fuK7c)

162 Thanks, all. It's a bit unnerving doing this at 52, but I've had it with corporate America. I've made hundreds of millions for the companies I've worked for. Tired of being a number.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 08:18 PM (gC2IV)

163 Behold my birthday rifle:

Sweet. That's gonna be a whole lot of fun.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 23, 2019 08:18 PM (EgshT)

164 Some bozos at the main intersection in town this last Friday were carrying signs for "Universal Background Checks". Probably from Shaheen's office. RUFKM? This is NH. LFoD!
I think I will engage them in conversation next week.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:19 PM (R+3Am)

165 143 ... Duke, Best of luck on your new venture.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2019 08:20 PM (bmdz3)

166 $1400 and 12 weeks wait will still get one at DS Arms until they run out of kits. Or, you can buy the kit, receiver and barrel for about $1K if you want to build it yourself. I paid the vigorish because it comes with a warranty if they build it.
Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 08:13 PM (yQpMk)

Nice Grump! I have nothing but good things to say about DS Arms. They have great service and their prices have always been reasonable. The upgrades and add-ons for their FAL's are top notch.
Good folks.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 23, 2019 08:22 PM (Z+IKu)

167 I bought a Marlin 39A new when I was 14 in 1967. Now, I've run thousands or tens of thousands of round through that gun in the ensuing 52 years doing nothing but cleaning the barrel. Because of the Gun thread, I decided I needed to break it down and check the receiver. I mean, you can do it with a nickel, who knew? So I did, and it was so clean I could've eaten off of it. (Well, then I'd've had to clean it.) My question: after all I've heard here about .22 ammo being dirty, why wasn't the receiver?

Posted by: Charles the Simple at June 23, 2019 08:22 PM (w7U7L)

168 silicone-impregnated reel

cloth.
Amazon as usual sells a big array of makes, sizes, prices.....any favorites.

Posted by: Colin at June 23, 2019 08:23 PM (DX4xe)

169 Duke, you can do it. The entrepreneurial spirit is what distinguishes Americans.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:24 PM (R+3Am)

170 Back on topic, if this venture is successful, I'll purchase that sidearm I qualified with when I was a young Marine. Colt M1911.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 08:25 PM (gC2IV)

171 Dammit, Mark!

Ammo sprawl be dammed! I just clicked "purchase" on a Glock 42.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 23, 2019 08:25 PM (PkVlr)

172
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 23, 2019 08:26 PM (KCxzN)

173 Tired of being a number.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 08:18 PM (gC2IV)

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I think Bob Seger had a song about that.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd - now featuring working web site at June 23, 2019 08:26 PM (cfSRQ)

174 Dammit, Mark!

Ammo sprawl be dammed! I just clicked "purchase" on a Glock 42.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 23, 2019 08:25 PM (PkVlr)
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Congratulations!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 08:26 PM (MVjcR)

175 I figure you could torture people by feeding them that godawful seaweed soybean raw fish salad in the previous thread. I'd rather eat a bullet from one of these guns

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 23, 2019 08:27 PM (39g3+)

176
The Left loves "universal" everything.
Kinda like their TOTALitarian, eh?

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 08:27 PM (rozxe)

177 Stripper dance studio?

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 08:18 PM (MVjcR)

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I need to stop in on this thread more often!

Posted by: Bill Clinton at June 23, 2019 08:27 PM (cfSRQ)

178 OT but this was the week that I said fuck you to corporate America. Just talked to the Duchess and she's all in. Talking to a few franchisers tomorrow. I may fail, but fuck it I'm out on my own.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 08:11 PM (gC2IV)

Now I am the envious one. Rock On!, Brother.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 08:27 PM (yQpMk)

179 Hi there, AltonJackson.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 08:28 PM (t+qrx)

180
The Left loves Central Power, don't they.
Central Planning. Central everything.

Who else loved "One World Order" shit??

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 08:28 PM (rozxe)

181 And good luck Duke!

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 23, 2019 08:28 PM (PkVlr)

182 180
The Left loves Central Power, don't they.
Central Planning. Central everything.

Who else loved "One World Order" shit??
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 08:28 PM (rozxe)

The Bushes and the Clintons?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 08:29 PM (xJa6I)

183

Does craigslist list guns?

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 08:29 PM (rozxe)

184 171 Dammit, Mark!

Ammo sprawl be dammed! I just clicked "purchase" on a Glock 42.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 23, 2019 08:25 PM (PkVlr)

This is how it begins....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 08:29 PM (xJa6I)

185 Does craigslist list guns?
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 08:29 PM (rozxe)

No.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 08:29 PM (t+qrx)

186 183

Does craigslist list guns?
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 08:29 PM (rozxe)

Once, yes. Not for a long time.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 08:30 PM (xJa6I)

187 Weasel, Blake and JTB, you're right, there's something just right about the M1. It just feels right. Hefty, solid, great sights. When I shoot it I know I am going to hit the target. With a big fu**ing bullet.
And if that doesn't work, a butt stroke with steel works pretty well, too.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:30 PM (R+3Am)

188 How many guns would a Craigslist, list,
If a Craigslist could list guns?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 23, 2019 08:31 PM (39g3+)

189
I just offered a guy on craigslist to buy his leaf vacuum, but only if he delivers it to my house.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 08:31 PM (rozxe)

190 So I imagine I will pick up my new baby when I get my 1911 back with the new sights.

Going to be a busy day at the range next Saturday.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 23, 2019 08:31 PM (PkVlr)

191 The Bushes and the Clintons?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 08:29 PM (xJa6I)

Isn't that "sensible gun control"

Posted by: Colin at June 23, 2019 08:31 PM (DX4xe)

192 Nice Grump! I have nothing but good things to say about DS Arms.

I had a SA58 and loved it. Much lead downrange. It had a bit of a learning curve to it, at first. One was finding the best load for the rifle. The other was finding the "sweet spot" on the gas regulator for cycling a particular load. After that, a real treat to own and shoot.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 23, 2019 08:31 PM (EgshT)

193 Quote from the Duchess of Lowell:

I believe in you. I signed up for better or worse. If this is what you want to do, that's let's go.

DAMN, I love that woman!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2019 08:31 PM (gC2IV)

194 Does craigslist list guns?

As a matter of policy, no. But you still see people who think they're clever posting ads for "pest control devices" and similar crap.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 08:31 PM (qc+VF)

195 Back to last week's intriguing thread for just a hair...

What's odd is that my father and I never hit the range together - and probably never will. It's just not his thing. Quite unusual, I think, given he was in the Army for 30 years. But his MOS was a medical one, and therefore I don't think he handled guns much beyond familiarity training.

I didn't handle guns of any sort until I shot BBs in a Cub Scout camp while living in Germany and there was where the safety rules were absolutely ingrained. Our instructor was a gruff sort in the Army who would read any of us the Riot Act for the slightest infraction. But this was good in retrospect as it taught us respect for the rules.

From there, shooting was a rare thing. I shot air rifles in JROTC. Into adulthood, one of my good buddies from HS set up a range at his parents' home out in the countryside east of San Antonio. His father was a cop, and had a veritable arsenal. He'd come out and join us for shooting from time to time and introduced me to different guns and calibers. It was around this time my wishy washy position towards gun control turned into religious fervor against, with things like this and the reading of Tom Clancy's amazing article "But I LIKE To Shoot". In my late 20s I took up skeet shooting and was super geeked by it - by this time I was in the AF and shooting was a skill I needed.

Eventually I became a gun owner due to a conversation I had with a senior officer for whom I had (and still have) immense respect. He told me that he went out and bought a M9 for his own practice on his own time because just "qualifying" wasn't enough in his view. So the M9 became my first gun. Eighteen months before I first shot with it, I spent many evenings taking it apart and putting it back together so I would know how to do that in my sleep.

Therefore my plunging into guns and shooting was, as far as my family was concerned, sui generis. (It's not that they are anti-gun zealots; they are just all "meh" on the subject.) Anyways, here I am with a modest collection, looking to expand, of course - when the current uncertainty ends.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 08:32 PM (mEn6y)

196 Nurse R, congrats. It's great to skew the gun ownership numbers. There are actual only about a million owners, but we all have multi-safes.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:33 PM (R+3Am)

197 196 Nurse R, congrats. It's great to skew the gun ownership numbers. There are actual only about a million owners, but we all have multi-safes.
Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:33 PM (R+3Am)

And if I'm any indication, the safes /safe is to damn small.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 08:34 PM (2DOZq)

198 As a matter of policy, no.

When did that start? I remember looking at ads for pistols at one time.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 08:35 PM (yQpMk)

199
hey hogmartin

looking for a shotgun?

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 23, 2019 08:36 PM (KCxzN)

200 M1 feels good because it has a quality and history you can't get in a plastic gun. Weight, wood, and whomp.

Posted by: freaked at June 23, 2019 08:37 PM (UdKB7)

201 Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 08:32 PM (mEn6y)
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Thanks for posting that, Catch Thirty-Thr33. Believe it or not I didn't become a gun owner until much later in life.

Careful, Nurse r!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 08:37 PM (MVjcR)

202 By the way, Nurse, can I interest you in a used canoe? Only sunk once, uhh, twice, uhh, never mind.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:37 PM (R+3Am)

203 Next. I need to get comfortable with concealed carry. I want to carry at Mass.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 23, 2019 08:37 PM (PkVlr)

204 140 73 CA ammo buyers, remember, new laws on July 1, and you won't like them.
I fully expect those laws to be overturned, but I have been wrong before, once.
It was a Tuesday, I think...
Meanwhile, it will be a pain in the tush.
Posted by: navybrat, another fine mess at June 23, 2019 07:40 PM (w7KSn)
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Y'all are going to need all that ammo to fight your way out. If you make it to AZ you'll be OK.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 08:38 PM (CFSlN)

205 RI red,

I have a kayak. I like kayaking. I like to take my firearms kayaking with me. They seem to enjoy it.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at June 23, 2019 08:38 PM (PkVlr)

206

Rifle barrel cleaning thoughts, by one of the top barrel makers (Lilja):

http://riflebarrels.com/barrel-fouling/

Apparently, there is a limit to ow clean a bore should be AFTER a shooting session.

Their library of articles is here, and they are all worth reading.

Be aware and forewarned: non-trivial math is present, and expected to be used.

http://riflebarrels.com/barrel-making/

Finally:

Do you live in California, as I do? Then you likely want to spend more than a few dollars on ammunition ... TODAY.

On 01 July, new laws take effect regarding purchasing of ammunition.

Plan on NOT being allowed to buy ammo unless you already have a firearm that uses that caliber (I could be wrong on this, but why find out?). I also assume that there is a limit to the amount that may be purchased per day/week/(some state-mandated time interval)

Naturally, I just got back from purchasing a variety of calibers, and in not-small quantities. I was not alone, in bot being there and in purchasing strategy and quantity. Apparently this has been going on for 2-3 weeks.

I don't see a shortage in the near-term future, although the selection today was unusually low, but the varities of popular calibers were less abundant. I see lots of hassle, and questions, and "no" answers. Spending $70 for a few 50rd boxes of FMJ (of my caliber, and then a caliber or 2 that I don't have) makes sense to me.

Posted by: Arbalest at June 23, 2019 08:39 PM (FlRtG)

207 And if I'm any indication, the safes /safe is to damn small.

"I wish I'd bought the smaller one" said no one, ever.

Some comedienne did a bit railing about "fun sized" Hallowe'en candy. "Since when is smaller more fun?" Pretty sure she wasn't alluding to gun safes though.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 08:39 PM (qc+VF)

208
Leftism is like the "infection" on The Walking Dead that turns everyone into flesh-eating rotting zombies. It just keeps spreading and spreading....

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 08:40 PM (rozxe)

209 Speaking of plastic, plastic tractor parts suck. Who thought it was a good idea to make parts like hoods that should have lasted 50 years out of plastic that wont last 15? Kubutoa and JD and I suppose most everyone one else that's who,

Posted by: freaked at June 23, 2019 08:41 PM (UdKB7)

210
hogmartin, check Johnson's Sporting Goods in Adrian

www.johnsonsguns.com/

for a small place, they're real good about keeping their inventory up to date at their web number

they traffic in a lot of used stuff & it's usually pretty nice

that Mossberb 20ga we had at the MoMe ws from there

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 23, 2019 08:41 PM (KCxzN)

211 Nurse R, the best way to get comfortable carrying is just do it. All the time. Everywhere.
It will raise your level of awareness and responsibility. You'll get so you think about getting something in marine stainless steel for the shower.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:41 PM (R+3Am)

212 looking for a shotgun?
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 23, 2019 08:36 PM (KCxzN)

Why, you got one you're not using?

I'd forgotten how much fun trap is.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 08:42 PM (t+qrx)

213 211 Nurse R, the best way to get comfortable carrying is just do it. All the time. Everywhere.
It will raise your level of awareness and responsibility. You'll get so you think about getting something in marine stainless steel for the shower.
Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:41 PM (R+3Am)

That's crazy talk.

Now, the bathroom towel drawer....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 08:44 PM (xJa6I)

214 Anyone else use Blackhorn powder in their black powder guns? And if you do, what's your cleaning regiment?

Posted by: WVinMN at June 23, 2019 08:44 PM (pV4s0)

215 198 As a matter of policy, no.

When did that start? I remember looking at ads for pistols at one time.

I'm pretty sure it's been the case since I started using Craigslist, which would be 10+ years ago by now.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 08:45 PM (qc+VF)

216 Clean a gun, like with a cloth?

Posted by: Hillary at June 23, 2019 08:46 PM (kBT1x)

217
Johnson's has a Mossberg 500 20ga for $229

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 23, 2019 08:47 PM (KCxzN)

218
btw, shouldn't we be mocking the frauds at aclu more, these days?

We don't even bother giving them shit.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 08:47 PM (rozxe)

219 Nurse R, the best way to get comfortable carrying is just do it. All the time. Everywhere.
It will raise your level of awareness and responsibility.
Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:41 PM (R+3Am)
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excellent advice.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 08:49 PM (MVjcR)

220
I really think we ought to adopt the phrase "civil liberties" and use it frequently.
That should piss off the fake "liberals."

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 08:50 PM (rozxe)

221 I'd forgotten how much fun trap is.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 08:42 PM (t+qrx)

I need to try trap. I've heard it is fun.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 08:51 PM (mEn6y)

222 Lots of land for sale on ebay in Arizona and Texas, literally in the middle of the nowhere. These Land-locked lots, about a few acres or so, would be selling for, like, $700. No shit.

I toyed with buying a lot....on a lark, as Dad would say.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 07:06 PM (QU9hs)

Years ago, some friends of mine bought several lots, for peanuts, in some proposed resort development in the middle of Bumfuck Nowhere, New Mexico. Fast forward to now: there is a casino a block away. Land is now worth quite a bundle; still no building commitment.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2019 08:51 PM (WG6O9)

223 Cleaning: like Weasel, for the most part, depends on platform and how/how much it's been used. Like Mark, my XD now gets cleaned minimally. And speaking of that, my "basic" cleaning now usually consists of wipe down, removing any egregious fouling, and a [dry] snake down the bore several times.

Exceptions are the Mosins, due to use of "corrosive" ammo - boiling water down the bore, then some kind of solvent cleaning, with brush and patches. And the M-1s [two Garands and one carbine] because precious babies that I want to pamper and keep perfect.

Revolver cylinder face fouling is annoying. I have the lead-removal cloth [Weasel - is that the same as "tack" cloth?] I use sparingly [don't want to remove any metal anywhere].

CLP for solvent, plus Frog stuff my Navy SEAL buddy gave me, also foaming bore cleaner when I feel like sorta/not really doing a thorough cleaning. Oh - and Butch's Bore-shine on the rifle bores when they a real cleaning.

Wipe down exterior with silicon cloth every time I handle them. CLP's "COL" formula for outsides of rifles if I won't be using them soon.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 08:51 PM (QDnY+)

224 Johnson's has a Mossberg 500 20ga for $229
Posted by: AltonJackson at June 23, 2019 08:47 PM (KCxzN)

They do, yes. still looking over the list. Also:

"German Guild Cape gun 16 ga. x 43 mauser double hammer double trigger O/U with dies for the mauser. (Used Good) consigned $2999.99"

...because why not. We sometimes get elephants around here. I think I heard that somewhere.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 08:52 PM (t+qrx)

225
The author of Scruples is mort. Boy, was that a huge thing for a time (book and movie) when I was a kid.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 08:52 PM (rozxe)

226 redc, told ya the C ampersand R was a good idea, didn't I?

Let mine lapse [done with buying for now, and reload for ammo].

As for the Ruger Mk I, a handgun, right, so does the C and R really make any difference?

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 08:53 PM (QDnY+)

227 Revolver cylinder face fouling is annoying. I have the lead-removal cloth [Weasel - is that the same as "tack" cloth?] I use sparingly [don't want to remove any metal anywhere].

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 08:51 PM (QDnY+)
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Yep. I think it's made by Birchwood-Casey, if memory serves.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 08:54 PM (MVjcR)

228 I have the lead-removal cloth [Weasel - is that the same as "tack" cloth?] I use sparingly [don't want to remove any metal anywhere].

Tack cloth is cheesecloth sort of stuff with sticky on it. It's in the sanding/finishing section of any hardware store. You use it after sanding wood to remove dust before finishing.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 08:54 PM (t+qrx)

229 btw, shouldn't we be mocking the frauds at aclu more, these days?

We don't even bother giving them shit.

IMO, the best thing they had going for them was the pretense of being nonpartisan. Once they gave that up and it became clear to everyone that the L was for liberals and not liberty, they became irrelevant, just another lefty interest group in a sea of lefty interest groups.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 08:55 PM (qc+VF)

230 Yep. I think it's made by Birchwood-Casey, if memory serves.
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 08:54 PM (MVjcR)

Is it different from ordinary tack cloth?

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 08:55 PM (t+qrx)

231 Clean a gun, like with a cloth?
Posted by: Hillary at June 23, 2019 08:46 PM (kBT1x)

Ummmmmm....Yes. And bleach, lots and lots of bleach.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 23, 2019 08:55 PM (Z+IKu)

232 Gotta run. Thanks for the thread Weasel. See y'all next week.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 08:56 PM (qc+VF)

233

I shoot what I carried in the service--Garand, M14 and 1911.

I will boast a bit here, if I may--I'm VERY good with all 3.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 23, 2019 08:57 PM (KATBx)

234
I really think we ought to adopt the phrase "civil liberties" and use it frequently.
That should piss off the fake "liberals."

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 08:50 PM

if anyone ever makes a negative comment about my NRA hat, I ask them why they don't believe i civil rights & go on to explain that the NRA is the oldest civil rights organization in the country & explain why it was founded

either that, or I tell them the NRA is a government program started by FDR in the '30s

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 23, 2019 08:57 PM (KCxzN)

235 For cleaning, I clean my guns every time I come back from the range. Maybe it's the AF in me - as we clean our guns every time we are done qualifying - but I also want my guns ready to go at a moment's notice.

I clean them with Hoppe's and they also make a lubricant that I use. I found out the hard way that my Beretta really, really likes lubricant. (One day at the range the Beretta kept jamming and the slide wasn't going forward fully after shots. A RSO checked it out and told me that Berettas need plenty of lubricant to function. So I took his advice and put a good amount of it on the slide after a post-range visit cleaning. No issues since.) I got a cleaning kit, a bag full of cloth squares and the needed solvents/lubricants so I am good to go at all times.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 08:58 PM (mEn6y)

236 "Clean a gun, like with a cloth? "

I like to clean my barrel every day. Sometimes multiple times. Huma used to help, but she got bored pretty early on.

Posted by: A Weiner at June 23, 2019 08:58 PM (UdKB7)

237 Is it different from ordinary tack cloth?

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 08:55 PM (t+qrx)
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It's a tack cloth with some sort of polishing compound. Not exactly like cheesecloth, though. More like a normal fabric.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 08:58 PM (MVjcR)

238 Be careful, folks. Trap shooting can be addictive. Especially for those of us too slow to shoot skeet and hit the damn supersonic birds on purpose.

I started trap shooting using one of those H and R single shot 12 gauge. It kicked like a F'ing mule. Then I switched to an old Sears bolt action 12 gauge with a medium choke. It did the job if I did mine. Doesn't take a multi-thousand dollar gun to compete although they may give the shooter an edge.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2019 08:58 PM (bmdz3)

239 Nurse R, the best way to get comfortable carrying is just do it. All the time. Everywhere.
It will raise your level of awareness and responsibility.
Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 08:41 PM (R+3Am)

I've found that wearing a MAGA hat AND carrying REALLY raises my situational awareness.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at June 23, 2019 08:59 PM (DXMX0)

240 Gotta run. Thanks for the thread Weasel. See y'all next week.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 23, 2019 08:56 PM (qc+VF)
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Happy to do it. See you next week!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:00 PM (MVjcR)

241 On topic, I use a fair amount of automotive products on my firearms. Brake cleaner is an example. I also use car oils on my eastern bloc milsurps, Mobile 1 and white grease, for example. I figure those two are better than anything they were designed to use.

I have also become a convert to Ballistol for guns I figure are finickier.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 09:00 PM (64hgz)

242 Range this week: duty day on Thursday, damn Navy took up all 3 small ranges, so limited fun shooting. Did do a sighting in of the repro Model 1866 Yellow Boy @ 5Oyds - ended up doing no sight adjustment, windage was close enough to true that my own errors probably accounted for all the variance. Also rested and sighted in the Model 66 revolver at 1O yards - need a slight elevation change.

A young first-time shooter/gun-owner came in, I spent a lot of time with him down on the 2-lane mini-range they've put on the side of the trap range for days like that - when all the small ranges are rented out - he had a Sig 229. Very nice piece. He shot the 1O-ring out of 5 targets at about 1O yards. Amazing. He said he's been studying up. Anyway, good to see a new young gun nut in the making [he already is lusting for a 1911, and a Garand].

And - one guy had a stunning Mauser. The metal was beautiful, looked new. From the "custom shop" in Berlin, 1938 I think. Gorgeous industrial art.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:00 PM (QDnY+)

243 "if anyone ever makes a negative comment about my NRA hat, I ask them why they don't believe i civil rights & go on to explain that the NRA is the oldest civil rights organization in the country & explain why it was founded"

The first gun control laws in this country that I know of were the "Black Codes" - the precursor to Jim Crow. That fact, if better publicized (and taught in school), ought to make the Left a lot more uncomfortable.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 09:00 PM (mEn6y)

244 On topic, I use a fair amount of automotive products on my firearms. Brake cleaner is an example. I also use car oils on my eastern bloc milsurps, Mobile 1 and white grease, for example. I figure those two are better than anything they were designed to use.

I have also become a convert to Ballistol for guns I figure are finickier.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 09:00 PM (64hgz)
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Absolutely this!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:02 PM (MVjcR)

245 This is the first, and last, time that I'll ever say this: Turn on CNN - they're showing the outstanding 2019 "Apollo 11" documentary now.

Posted by: josephistan at June 23, 2019 09:02 PM (Izzlo)

246
I've found that wearing a MAGA hat AND carrying REALLY raises my situational awareness.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at June 23, 2019 08:59 PM

if you want to have fun, walk through the Whole Foods in The Peoples' Republik of AnnArbor wearing a NRA hat

you'll feel like Moses parting the Red Sea...people can't get out of your way fast enough

I'm gonna get a IDF t-shirt & walk through there...heads will explode

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 23, 2019 09:03 PM (KCxzN)

247 That lead-removing cloth works very well, I just stopped using it much when I realized I'd be shooting the Model 66 a lot, like all the time, so I'd live with other than pristine cosmetics.

Pretty sure the lube from the lead bullets - only kind the revolver sees - accounts for most of the filth.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:04 PM (QDnY+)

248 Without Liberty, there is no Safety.

I like my Liberty sticks, both the long version, and the pocket version.

The Left thinks the complete opposite.

Because they are lemmings.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2019 09:05 PM (sy5kK)

249 The Apollo documentary is excellent, I saw it in the theater a few months ago. Recommend watching.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:05 PM (QDnY+)

250
The first gun control laws in this country that I know of were the "Black Codes" - the precursor to Jim Crow. That fact, if better publicized (and taught in school), ought to make the Left a lot more uncomfortable.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 09:00 PM

This.

At their core, all gun control laws are rooted in racism

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 23, 2019 09:05 PM (KCxzN)

251 My favorite Liberty has a trigger safety

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 09:06 PM (xJa6I)

252 The first gun control laws in this country that I know of were the "Black Codes" - the precursor to Jim Crow. That fact, if better publicized (and taught in school), ought to make the Left a lot more uncomfortable.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 09:00 PM (mEn6y)

"No, because you see, bleeble blurble party shift mumble blerp. You ~~racist~~white supremacist."

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 09:06 PM (t+qrx)

253
The first gun control laws in this country that I
know of were the "Black Codes" - the precursor to Jim Crow. That fact,
if better publicized (and taught in school), ought to make the Left a
lot more uncomfortable.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 09:00 PM (mEn6y)

Teach actual history in school?

Riight.
But great idea, a new factoid to add to the backpack.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2019 09:07 PM (sy5kK)

254
although, it is fun to string them along with the "FDR created the NRA in the 1930s" & watch them pull out their phone and bingle it

priceless

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 23, 2019 09:08 PM (KCxzN)

255 I follow the "if it rotates, oil it, if it slides, grease it" principle, more or less.

White silicon grease or the purpose-made red gun grease on Garand, carbine, 1911 slides. And still using up a little can of "general purpose household oil" I found in the garage that dates from the 7Os. Only the rifles and 1911 take much oil, tho I do occasionally oil all the bores on all the gunz.

Live in a dry climate, so, very permissive with these kinds of things.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:09 PM (QDnY+)

256
I am now a big user of Fluid Film.

Stuff goes back to WWII, I think.

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 09:09 PM (UN6hn)

257 New shooter at the range today, probably 50 y.o.
Had an AR platform but was shooting a straight wall case with a .357 bullet.
Regular guy was working with him and had his scope zeroed in. First shot on metal - clang! I looked over and smiled. He had a shit eating grin. Another convert.
BTW, any else hear about that round? Supposedly for states that only allow straight walled cartridges for deer.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 09:10 PM (R+3Am)

258 Mark I'm toying with doing the full disassembly cleaning of my XD9. If I weren't so lazy and busy with other stuff, I would have already. Gunsmiths and the maker will do it, but I sort of want to be able to do the full thing on all my gunz. The CZ-83 has me intimidated, there's one little thing about re-assembling the trigger assembly that's tricky.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:12 PM (QDnY+)

259 No love for Ed's Red?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 23, 2019 09:16 PM (DMUuz)

260 183

Does craigslist list guns?
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2019 08:29 PM (rozxe)

Parts and accessories. Try Armslist, instead.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 23, 2019 09:17 PM (di1hb)

261 >>>"FDR created the NRA in the 1930s" & watch them pull out their phone and bingle it

priceless

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 23, 2019 09:08 PM (KCxzN)
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Ha! In old movies you can see the placards in store windows.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 09:17 PM (CFSlN)

262 Man, I had a question for the group and I'm completely blanking on it now.

If anyone remembers what it was, go ahead and shout it out.
Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 07:10 PM

What is 400 ft. and 20 knots, Alex?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 23, 2019 09:18 PM (DMUuz)

263 So NZ is taking away guns from private citizens by government edict.

How long until New Zealand is the next Venezuela?

In 1960, when Venezuela was the richest country in the Western hemisphere behind the US and Canada, I'm pretty sure there were a lot of nice Venezuelans who could never imagine their beautiful, bountiful nation would turn into a cesspool of death and suffering in a couple of generations, without a war or a massive natural disaster.

If there were recordings of the time, I am confident they would be parroting the NZ'ers of today.

NZ Frank, you are always welcome here.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2019 09:18 PM (sy5kK)

264 RI Red- Does that mean my 1886 Winchester in .40/65 (necked down .45/70) is not legal for deer in some ststes?

Posted by: Charles the Simple at June 23, 2019 09:18 PM (w7U7L)

265 258 Mark I'm toying with doing the full disassembly cleaning of my XD9. If I weren't so lazy and busy with other stuff, I would have already. Gunsmiths and the maker will do it, but I sort of want to be able to do the full thing on all my gunz. The CZ-83 has me intimidated, there's one little thing about re-assembling the trigger assembly that's tricky.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:12 PM (QDnY+)

Honestly, at 30k rounds, I haven't needed a detail clean. Gun still functions fine.

But it would be a nice skill to have.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 23, 2019 09:20 PM (xJa6I)

266 And Grump I hate you [more] - that FN. Wow.

Earlier thread, mentioned there were LE turn-in HiPowers for sale - AIM? One of the usual places, anyway.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:20 PM (QDnY+)

267 I shoot what I carried in the service--Garand, M14 and 1911.

I will boast a bit here, if I may--I'm VERY good with all 3.
Posted by: irongrampa at June 23, 2019 08:57 PM (KATBx)
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I'm good with two out of three. Maybe even very good. Don't own an M1A.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 09:21 PM (WEBkv)

268 Earlier thread, mentioned there were LE turn-in HiPowers for sale - AIM? One of the usual places, anyway.

Sadly I missed out on those. I think I need one to complete my larping rig.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 09:22 PM (64hgz)

269 Mobile 1 and white grease, for example"

My XOM stock thanks you

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 23, 2019 09:23 PM (6qErC)

270 For those who shoot cap and ball black powder revolvers, I use that white silcone grease on the arbor. I find it especially helpful on the Colt reproductions. A good layer will reduce the chance for the cylinder binding up. It also cleans off easily.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2019 09:23 PM (bmdz3)

271
it is fun to string them along with the "FDR created the NRA in the 1930s" & watch them pull out their phone and bingle it

Have them watch one of those movies from the 1930's on TCM that start out with an NRA eagle.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 23, 2019 09:23 PM (aKsyK)

272 264 RI Red- Does that mean my 1886 Winchester in .40/65 (necked down .45/70) is not legal for deer in some ststes?
Posted by: Charles the Simple at June 23, 2019 09:18 PM (w7U7L)

Dunno, Chas. I do know you could only shoot deer in RI with slugs, no rifles.
Of course, a rifle round fired E/W would end up in Connecticut.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 09:24 PM (R+3Am)

273 I have also become a convert to Ballistol for guns I figure are finickier.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 09:00 PM (64hgz)

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Absolutely this!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:02 PM (MVjcR)

Hitchcock45 uses it too. I saw him do it, and then Weasel recommended it, so I figured, "What the hell!" And they were both correct. it's great.

I think you can brush you teeth with it too...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 23, 2019 09:25 PM (wYseH)

274 In 1960, when Venezuela was the richest country in the Western hemisphere behind the US and Canada, I'm pretty sure there were a lot of nice Venezuelans who could never imagine their beautiful, bountiful nation would turn into a cesspool of death and suffering in a couple of generations,

They tried to kill Vice President Nixon in 1958.

Venezuela has always been full of nasty.

Posted by: Miklos, Southern, but not South American at June 23, 2019 09:25 PM (QzkSJ)

275 Ah, OK I remember the question now. Looking for nightstand concealment options, primarily for quick access. There are magnets, which doesn't sound like a great idea because it's not a positive hold and could have unintended effects on items on top of the nightstand. There are various safes, which are a little awkward given where the bed is. The most convenient-looking one (Gunvault SV500) has a handy placement like a hardcover book standing on its edge and hinges downward, but has alarming reports of batteries dying unexpectedly and the electronics don't sound reliable. Finally there are elastic bands that fasten under the nightstand, but they look like they're all cut for ordinary pistols, not one with a TLR-7 hanging on it.

What I'd really like is a barebones Kydex holster for a light-bearing VP9 that has a flat backing that I can just screw into the nightstand, but I have no idea where to find such a thing.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 09:25 PM (t+qrx)

276 Mark, I think the torture test I watched before buying the XD was 5OK rounds - and much worse treatment/no cleaning, than the way we use them. And actually there aren't all that many moving parts to the frame. More of an OCD thing probably.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:26 PM (QDnY+)

277 They tried to kill Vice President Nixon in 1958.

Venezuela has always been full of nasty.

And people in South America greeted President Eisenhower with enthusiasm a short time before that.

All Latin America has had a love-hate relationship with this country.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 09:27 PM (mEn6y)

278 Oh, there are some very nice-looking nightstands with concealed safes built in. On a scale from one to ten, that option is tits, but they start at around 500 of your primitive Earth dollars.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 09:29 PM (t+qrx)

279 I take the Yogi Berra approach to predictions, but I'll guess NZ will not end up Venezuela'd, and the gun thing won't play into that issue either way.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:29 PM (QDnY+)

280 Hogmartin, Mrs. Red may have a fake book on her nightstand that opens on her Colt Cobra in .38.
It can be locked, but that sort of defeats the purpose.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 09:29 PM (R+3Am)

281 "What better way to celebrate my birthday than right here with Planned Parenthood?" @ewarren celebrating backstage at #WeDecide with @SenGillibrand @PPact

Celebrating her BIRTHDAY at PP. These people have zero self awareness.

Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 09:30 PM (cF8AT)

282 "Teach actual history in school?

"Riight."

Hey, a boy can dream...

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 23, 2019 09:30 PM (mEn6y)

283 hogmartin I've seen holsters attached to long flat paddles that fit beneath the mattress - weight of mattress + person holds them alongside the bed, right there to reach down and grab - not sure if that kind of arrangement meets your goal or not

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:31 PM (QDnY+)

284 Celebrating her BIRTHDAY at PP. These people have zero self awareness.
Posted by: Tami at June 23, 2019 09:30 PM (cF8AT)
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Cognitive Dissonance: In One Act

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 09:31 PM (WEBkv)

285
I take the Yogi Berra approach to predictions, but I'll guess NZ will not end up Venezuela'd, and the gun thing won't play into that issue either way.

Two very different societies and geographies.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 23, 2019 09:31 PM (aKsyK)

286 OT: missed this in the news today hope it's news to you -

"President Trump approved an offensive cyber strike that disabled computer systems used by Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps to control rocket and missile launches."

_Forbes

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 09:31 PM (CFSlN)

287 Hogmartin, Mrs. Red may have a fake book on her nightstand that opens on her Colt Cobra in .38.
It can be locked, but that sort of defeats the purpose.
Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 09:29 PM (R+3Am)

You know, I completely blanked on that option. This is a little bigger than a Colt .38, but I'll look into that, thanks. That's also a good place to keep a spare mag and maybe some breath mints or a yo-yo.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 09:31 PM (t+qrx)

288 Later all!

Thanks again, Weasel!

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 09:32 PM (WEBkv)

289 If, however, the reports are true and the U.S. has compromised Iran's networks to the extent that Teheran's core command and control systems are now vulnerable, that changes the dynamics completely.

_Forbes

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 09:33 PM (CFSlN)

290 Before my eyes close for the evening, thanks to Weasel and all for the gun thread. That stupid elbow is coming along faster than expected so I may get to the range this week.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2019 09:33 PM (bmdz3)

291 I think you can brush you teeth with it too...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 23, 2019 09:25 PM (wYseH)
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You can! From the Ballistol FAQ:

Is Ballistol non-toxic?

Ballistol does not contain ingredients considered hazardous by the FDA. It does not contain any ingredients which may be harmful for warm-blooded organisms, reptiles or aquatic organisms (if used as directed). If swallowed, DO NOT INDUCE VOMITING, ASPIRATION CAN OCCUR. CONSULT A PHYSICIAN IMMEDIATELY.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:33 PM (MVjcR)

292 Thanks again, Weasel!

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 23, 2019 09:32 PM (WEBkv)
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You bet!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:34 PM (MVjcR)

293 Nice mailbox in German yellow. Got an artillery piece and a flak 88 in German yellow here in Lansing outside the naval reserve building. The little black crosses identify them.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet Summer Savings on Nitwits, Dimwits, Lackwits, and Halfwits! at June 23, 2019 09:34 PM (MzD6Y)

294 I advised the new shooter this week not to over-clean his gun. For semi-auto handguns [polymer frame, steel upper], a good snaking of the bore and field strip/wipe-down of fouling should suffice, for range use-level of dirtiness. Especially with FMJ ammo.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:34 PM (QDnY+)

295 Before my eyes close for the evening, thanks to Weasel and all for the gun thread. That stupid elbow is coming along faster than expected so I may get to the range this week.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2019 09:33 PM (bmdz3)
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My pleasure, pal. Keep working on the elbow!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:35 PM (MVjcR)

296 hogmartin I've seen holsters attached to long flat paddles that fit beneath the mattress - weight of mattress + person holds them alongside the bed, right there to reach down and grab - not sure if that kind of arrangement meets your goal or not
Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:31 PM (QDnY+)

I could maybe wrangle something - it's a mattress-on-slats, not a box spring, so the mattress sits under the edge of the bed frame slightly.

The thing about those (and I looked at maybe redneck engineering one of those in-car rigs to work for the bed or nightstand) is that they presuppose gun, standard, people, for the shooting of. If you're really lucky, they list 1911, Glock, and revolver models. Ones that fit kraut guns with high sights, threaded muzzles, and lights are hen's teeth.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 09:37 PM (t+qrx)

297 It's always a good evening at the gun thread.
Thanks for putting it together and thanks to Open Blogger for publishing it.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 09:38 PM (CFSlN)

298 Hiya

Posted by: ALH at June 23, 2019 09:39 PM (htgmn)

299 Billy as I noted when this was discussed yesterday, it is wise to assume we [and others] are engaged in ongoing offense, prep, and vandalism against Tehran on myriad fronts. The cyber aspect is actually one of the best known fronts, for several years now. And it's also safe to assume much of the info is not in the "news", nor ever will be.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:39 PM (QDnY+)

300 297 It's always a good evening at the gun thread.
Thanks for putting it together and thanks to Open Blogger for publishing it.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 09:38 PM (CFSlN)
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Thanks for stopping by!
(but the open blogger guy is an asshole - ask anybody!)

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:39 PM (MVjcR)

301 hogmartin, I see. Looks you'd have to find a holster and then "adapt" it.

And Weasel, thanks as always for gubs!

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:41 PM (QDnY+)

302
And Weasel, thanks as always for gubs!

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:41 PM (QDnY+)
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Absolutely my pleasure, amigo. Thanks for being here every week!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:42 PM (MVjcR)

303 Mark Edwards Andrew is the guy who says buy ammo.

I'm going to be the guy who says buy body armor .

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 09:42 PM (2DOZq)

304 Everybody's leaving? Why is everybody leaving?

Eh, where's the broom, I'll help you police the brass.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 09:43 PM (t+qrx)

305 And since we're going to get kicked to the curb by the ONT soon, a big hearty thanks to all of you for making this a good time. Appreciate it!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:43 PM (MVjcR)

306 Eh, where's the broom, I'll help you police the brass.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 09:43 PM (t+qrx)
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Thanks bud. You sweep and I'll stack the chairs.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:44 PM (MVjcR)

307 Hogmartin - here's what I use - no holster so pretty much universal, but you may not like how the pistol is positioned.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y4e2559z

Posted by: Gref at June 23, 2019 09:45 PM (AMIL/)

308 >>>And it's also safe to assume much of the info is not in the "news", nor ever will be.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:39 PM (QDnY+)
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I'm sure you're correct on all of it but it's so welcomed to hear. *doing happy dance*

"Our US military has long known that we could sink every IRGC vessel in the strait within 24 hours if necessary, and this is the modern version of what the U.S. Navy has to do to defend itself at sea and keep international shipping lanes free."

_Forbes

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 09:46 PM (CFSlN)

309 I have a pistol under a hat on my dresser. Not much for concealment that.

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 09:46 PM (64hgz)

310 Hogmartin - here's what I use - no holster so pretty much universal, but you may not like how the pistol is positioned.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y4e2559z
Posted by: Gref at June 23, 2019 09:45 PM (AMIL/)

Oh, that's great, thanks. I've seen that sort of wire prop for standing pistols on a bench or safe; it never crossed my mind to adapt one for the bedside. I bet I could just mount it to the underside of the nightstand with some brackets.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 09:48 PM (t+qrx)

311 Thoughts/comments:

Does Mrs. Weasel ever comment on the strange taste of her toothbrush?

I'm glad I'm not the only one who has noticed what a chick magnet a clean cylinder face is. I honestly thought I was alone on this score.

On plugging before Parkerizing. I used to hot blue. I was taught NOT to plug the barrel, as the first shot would clean out all the blueing. I don't have any experience with Parkerizing. Different process; different result.

Posted by: F at June 23, 2019 09:48 PM (OkG0q)

312 We have a fancy burglar alarm, PLUS WeaselDog. Still, I worry about sleeping through the whole thing.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:49 PM (MVjcR)

313 Hey, next week! Body armor - for pussies or not?

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 09:49 PM (R+3Am)

314 i grew up with guns. everything i shot at died. you guys are so far over my head i'm lost. i'm no hathcock, but i can still hit shit.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 23, 2019 09:50 PM (KP5rU)

315 Still, I worry about sleeping through the whole thing.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:49 PM (MVjcR)

Weasel dog will take care of that.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 09:50 PM (CFSlN)

316 Billy, check out July 1987, Op Praying Mantis, for what happens when a non-peer pest gets serious attention. One of the several reason I was almost mocking the talk of "full war" or "long war" yesterday. Wars don't all look, or last, the same.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:51 PM (QDnY+)

317 On plugging before Parkerizing. I used to hot blue. I was taught NOT to plug the barrel, as the first shot would clean out all the blueing. I don't have any experience with Parkerizing. Different process; different result.

Posted by: F at June 23, 2019 09:48 PM (OkG0q)
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The part that caught my attention with Parkerizing is the acid solution will etch the inside of the barrel.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:52 PM (MVjcR)

318 I keep my G19 in a very simple Uncle Mike inside the pants holster. Almost like having no holster as it weighs practically nothing. It's job is just to cover the trigger. I've used one for 25 years .

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 09:53 PM (2DOZq)

319 Posted by: AltonJackson at June 23, 2019 08:41 PM (KCxzN)

Hogmartin, Jaqua's down by Toodlee-doo has a good selection also.

Posted by: clutch at June 23, 2019 09:53 PM (kiSdp)

320 chavez, there's all kinds of shooting. I'm a practical accuracy type myself, main interest is in doing whatever needs to be done for a given situation/gun. In trap, shatter the clays; in handguns, hit center mass/steel target reliably; in rifle, minute-of-human-torso @ 1OO-15O yds. Done.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:54 PM (QDnY+)

321 Well, as much as I hate to go, I'm going to.
Weasel, THX, as always. And tell Mrs. W that it's just the water.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 09:55 PM (R+3Am)

322 I'm a moderate DIYer, but parkering at home has never crossed my mind. Cool, though. Love the finish on the Garand metal.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:55 PM (QDnY+)

323 Well, as much as I hate to go, I'm going to.
Weasel, THX, as always. And tell Mrs. W that it's just the water.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2019 09:55 PM (R+3Am)
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Will do pal! Adieu!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:55 PM (MVjcR)

324 Weasel - "adieu" - ha!!

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:56 PM (QDnY+)

325 Hogmartin - I have a Hornady RAPiD-SAFE on my nightstand. I have a full size 1911 and an extra mag in it. (They make a smaller model as well). There are two ways to open it:1. Digital number pad: and,2. RFID chip (on the supplied wrist band or the supplied "RFID coins."
It has an AC power supply - with battery backup for the electronics.
You can (and I did), bolt it to a wall stud with the supplied cable.
I bought mine because I have young grandkids around all the time. I really like it.

Posted by: Spankmeister at June 23, 2019 09:56 PM (dn8lZ)

326 Appetizers and wine done .

Weasel, well done on the email. I will pass all the info along.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 23, 2019 09:57 PM (ung8t)

327 Hogmartin, Jaqua's down by Toodlee-doo has a good selection also.
Posted by: clutch at June 23, 2019 09:53 PM (kiSdp)

Total Firearms in Mason has a decent collection of used longarms too, especially shotguns. I just don't know what to look for in a trap gun, so I don't know where to start.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 09:57 PM (t+qrx)

328 320: shot trap. i sucked. skeet, i killed it. i love skeet. targets, i am good enough to survive until the shit runs out.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 23, 2019 09:57 PM (KP5rU)

329 July 1987, Op Praying Mantis<<<

Read it.

When you punch them and they know you will punch them again harder they rethink their position.

Did some entity send us a sternly worded letter?
Probably so. What did Reagan do with it?
File 13.

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 09:57 PM (CFSlN)

330 Weasel - "adieu" - ha!!

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:56 PM (QDnY+)
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You know - the damn thing is I looked it up to check the spelling and thought: that's a stupid saying - I never cease to amaze me.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:58 PM (MVjcR)

331 Guess I'd better do one more check of ammo to see if there's anything I should pick up before the newest idiotic CA law takes effect - but I've done more checks than Mission Control before a moon-shot, fairly confident I'm covered [reload almost everything I shoot, and have a good stash of factory in all calibers]. Maybe one more can of 45 Colt, to give me my brass for reloading that, which will begin soon [1866 is a fun, purdy, HEAVY, little rifle].

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 09:59 PM (QDnY+)

332 I have a Hornady RAPiD-SAFE on my nightstand. I have a full size 1911 and an extra mag in it.
Posted by: Spankmeister at June 23, 2019 09:56 PM (dn8lZ)

That's good (and I like Hornady), but it looks like they open from the top? I keep stuff on my nightstand, so I'd need a drawer or under-top solution.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 23, 2019 09:59 PM (t+qrx)

333 Weasel, well done on the email. I will pass all the info along.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 23, 2019 09:57 PM (ung8t)
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Thanks! I'll start on the other stuff this week.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 09:59 PM (MVjcR)

334 Adios, au revoir, Auf Wiedersehn, till we meet again...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 23, 2019 10:00 PM (6qErC)

335 Parkerize a revolver?

Posted by: Billy Cole at June 23, 2019 10:00 PM (CFSlN)

336 334 Adios, au revoir, Auf Wiedersehn, till we meet again...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at June 23, 2019 10:00 PM (6qErC)

Later Gator

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 23, 2019 10:00 PM (2DOZq)

337 Thanks agin Sir Weasel!

Posted by: Spankmeister at June 23, 2019 10:01 PM (dn8lZ)

338 Ben Had - you're making your own wine now?

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 10:01 PM (QDnY+)

339 ONT is up. 'night!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 10:02 PM (MVjcR)

340 Weasel, you just need to watch the 'Sound of Music" and you will get the adieu's
straight.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 23, 2019 10:02 PM (ung8t)

341 Flash Email Traffic: Star Model BM SA 9mm Semi-Auto, 4" barrel, 8 Rd Mag, Original Box - Surplus - Good / Very Good Overall.

$175 for the next two hours.

http://bit.ly/2Rs1Vh2

Posted by: Grump928(C) has an Izzy at June 23, 2019 10:07 PM (yQpMk)

342 Grump, you are good at torturing those behind the Idiocy Curtain [in CA] who can't buy such great cheap toys.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2019 10:11 PM (QDnY+)

343 Oh dear ...

Posted by: Adriane the Hog Buying at Market Critic ... at June 23, 2019 10:11 PM (LPnfS)

344 Anti-NOOD.

(Seriously, the ONT was up but it's gone.)

Posted by: FireHorse at June 23, 2019 10:11 PM (ta49A)

345 ONT B Gone ...

Posted by: Adriane the Hog Buying at Market Critic ... at June 23, 2019 10:12 PM (LPnfS)

346 I guess the ONT violated some Twitter/Facebook snowflake rules.

Posted by: mikeski at June 23, 2019 10:12 PM (P1f+c)

347 ONT or No NT?

Posted by: Rex B at June 23, 2019 10:12 PM (RFMGT)

348 337 Thanks agin Sir Weasel!

Posted by: Spankmeister at June 23, 2019 10:01 PM (dn8lZ)
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Anytime Spankmeister! Thanks for stopping by!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2019 10:12 PM (MVjcR)

349 NOOD, take two.

Posted by: FireHorse at June 23, 2019 10:13 PM (ta49A)

350 Is this Morning Report ? OK FIRST !!!! shot is the hardest.

Nice library,food,guns,flowers doggies et al.

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