California Report, June 22 [KT]

Well, I guess it's time for another periodic, sort of local, California Report.

Recently, I received the following notification from Pacific Gas & Electric:

Given the growing threat of extreme weather, we want all of our customers to be prepared for power outages. If extreme fire danger conditions threaten a portion of the electric system serving your community, it will be necessary for us to turn off electricity in the interest of public safety. This is called a Public Safety Power Shutoff.

This means that my electricity could be shut off for several days if there were a threat of wildfire in the foothills, even though I live in the flatlands.

They want me to prepare in advance. They have a checklist. Update contact information, Plan for medical needs, identify charging methods for phones and keep hard copies of emergency numbers, build or restock an emergency kit and know how to manually open your garage door.

These are not bad things to do in case of other emergencies, either. Every once in a while, we sneak a little preparedness information into the Gardening Thread, too.

But this whole plan for shutting off the power is a drag. Insty linked an excellent piece by James Meigs at City Journal (I have wondered how the Manhattan Institute became so interested in California):

The very idea makes the mind reel: San Francisco, San Jose, Silicon Valley--all gone dark. The electric-car charging stations, the $500-a-plate sushi restaurants, the rows of workstations at Google, Uber, Facebook, Twitter, and Salesforce--all suddenly unplugged. This summer, blackouts could plunge large swaths of California into darkness--an act of deliberate policy, not equipment failure or operator errors.
Pacific Gas & Electric, Northern California's largest power supplier, recently announced that it will begin shutting down parts of the grid, possibly for days at a time, to help reduce the risk of wildfires. Known as "de-energization," the process sounds like a metaphor for societal collapse. . .
California has always had wildfires, but recent conflagrations have been particularly devastating. Last November's Camp Fire burned over 150,000 acres, destroyed the town of Paradise, and killed 85 people, making it the deadliest fire in the state's history. Like many large California wildfires, that one was sparked--quite literally--by an electric power line and then spread by intense winds. . .

Of course, there is more to the story.

I read somewhere that Gerard Van der Leun, who lost his home in Paradise in the Camp Fire, had recently lost his 103 year old mother. Now I'm not so sure. He wrote this lovely piece for his father. With memories of Paradise.

Housing in the Bay Area

With techies trying to live in cars and trailers, housing is becoming a big issue in the Bay Area. Via J.J. Sefton's Morning Report, Google commits to funding housing in the Bay Area. (J.J. will believe it when he sees it). It will be interesting to see if Newsome is serious enough about his new emphasis on housing to smooth the regulatory process for Google, and (more importantly) for people who don't have Google's inside influence.

Google CEO Sundar Pichai has announced that over the next decade his company will convert $750 million worth of its own land to build at least 15,000 new homes across the Bay Area. Google will also establish a quarter-billion-dollar investment fund to encourage developers to build at least 5,000 affordable housing units, along with additional money to tackle homelessness.
Google's pledge comes on the heels of similar announcements by its tech peers. . . .

Now if they can keep the homeless out of that new housing . . .

Homelessness and Trash in Los Angeles

Via J.J. Sefton's Morning Report: Homeless crisis boils over in Los Angeles, residents call for mayor to step down.

"That starts with me," he said in the letter. "As your mayor, I take full responsibility for our response to this crisis. And like everyone who has seen families in tents or spoken to a homeless veteran in need, I am both heartbroken and impatient."

What a quote! I hope his statement went beyond an expression of personal feelings. I seem to remember that last name from years past. Is this guy one of those heritage politicians?

The large amount of waste in the area also poses a threat to the community's health. City hall has attempted to organize cleanup events, but their efforts have made little impact on the area. There is a "large backlog" of complaints being sent to the city's sanitation department.
Garcetti blamed this issue on "illegal dumping" by residents and businesses in the city and encouraged people not to blame the homeless.

As Victor Davis Hanson has noted, the amount of illegal dumping around Selma increased dramatically with the increase in illegal immigration. I have seen the big bags of trash, furniture, appliances, etc. by the side of the highway myself. Might this not also be true in Los Angeles? If it is not the homeless dumping trash, what about the population of Los Angeles has changed? Is Los Angeles a Sanctuary City? Sure looks like it is.

Music

The good Roger Simon has left California. He has written a concise little piece about why there are so many homeless people in California, but gives particular attention to one thing:

I left Los Angeles for Nashville slightly over a year ago. When I call friends back in my former home (for 50 years), most of them tell me I got out just in time.
Actually, they're wrong. I should have gotten out ten or even fifteen years before. The handwriting was on the wall. "California dreamin'," pace Mama Cass, "was no longer a ray-al-it-tee." It hasn't been for a long time.

He thinks the number of homeless are a lot larger than the official numbers.

So how'd this happen?
A lot of reasons come to mind, but it may be the most important one gets overlooked. Remember the words to that other song by The Mamas and the Papas, "Creeque Alley"?

McGuinn and McGuire still a-gettin higher in L.A.,
You know where that's at
And no one's gettin' fat
except Mama Cass

More than you wanted to know about the lyrics to this song.

That's the way it was when I first came to LA. We were all that way, "gettin' higher" at one level or another, at least most of us. A new kind of freedom was in the air, but we never thought about where it might lead. We were supermen and women in our own minds, free of the constraints of tired, bourgeois society.
In a sense, the California Dream chickens have come home to roost. All those joints and acid tabs have morphed into syringes for extremely depressed people who don't know how to handle life and prefer to live on the streets, medicating themselves into oblivion. . .
Meanwhile, their betters, the elite classes of the Golden State, come from a society that was the same way but just knew how better to handle their drugs (still do). . .

There were pot parties at Governor Moonbeam's house?

No wonder these people have trouble dealing with the homeless. They can't face the essence of the problem, whether it's Mary Jane or crystal meth. It's back to the old Pogo cartoon: "I have met the enemy and he is us."
It's easier to look away than to acknowledge culpability. But even if all those Boomers beat their chests with guilt and self-loathing, I'm not sure it would help now. As the anthem goes:

All the leaves are brown (all the leaves are brown)
And the sky is grey (and the sky is grey)
I've been for a walk (I've been for a walk)
On a winter's day (on a winter's day)
I'd be safe and warm (I'd be safe and warm)
If I was in L.A. (if I was in L.A.)
Someone has to write another verse about rolling on the sidewalk with fentanyl. I'd do it myself but it would make me too sad.

Fortunately, they have banned vaping in San Francisco. Maybe they will ban vaping in Los Angeles, too. People could trip over syringes while vaping.

The Big Picture

Meanwhile, Stephen Green has identified Ten Plagues of California. Can you think of others? Which do you think are most important?

This piece came out not long after my e-mail notification that I should prepare for an extended energy blackout:

Statewide, California's problems aren't limited to trash dumpers, the homeless, rat infestations, and infectious disease... as if that weren't already too much Third World fun in the once-Golden State. Stories about San Francisco's Human Poop Hurdle Olympics are now de rigueur, and you'd better watch where you stick the landing or a used syringe might stick you.
Elsewhere, rolling blackouts are about to become not only normal, but celebrated.
The editors of the Los Angeles Times opined last week that in order "to prevent wildfires, California may need to endure power blackouts."

. . . downed power lines do cause wildfires, but mostly because there's so much flammable brush that the state government refuses to clear in one way or another. And rather than clean it up -- sound much like the trash situation? -- California is going to deny electricity to some of its poorest inland residents during the hottest time of the year.
Because caring, or whatevs.

Meanwhile, Gavin Newsom says that the GOP is destined for the waste bin of history.

Hope you have a great weekend. Think about buying a generator.

This is the Thread before the Gardening Thread.

Serving your mid-day open thread needs

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1 Cali is a loony bin.

Posted by: SMH at June 22, 2019 11:22 AM (RU4sa)

2 Sounds like echoes of Venezuela.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2019 11:23 AM (oVJmc)

3 Dang! So close!

Posted by: Thanatopsis at June 22, 2019 11:23 AM (9kVAd)

4 I nooded the others.

Posted by: olddog in mo at June 22, 2019 11:26 AM (Dhht7)

5 In the name of Progress, California is going Dark Ages.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 22, 2019 11:27 AM (UkK38)

6 I'm very curious to know what they think is going to happen to all the fab lines when the power goes off? An unexpected outage can destroy 100s of millions of dollars of equipment. It also takes a long time to get the line back up and running properly.

My guess is that if this becomes a thing, those companies will leave. They really have no choice. Then, where's the CA economy?
Reality is SUCH a bitch.

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 11:27 AM (T6t7i)

7 Venezuela redux

Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at June 22, 2019 11:27 AM (P4Pk9)

8 Anneliese Braun.

Posted by: German Mondegreens at June 22, 2019 11:27 AM (ufzQs)

9 So the first $50,000 of these Google homes will be just the land value.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2019 11:27 AM (oVJmc)

10 willowed esprit d'escalier:

Absolutely. The problem being the all-or-nothing approach in banning a product that the market still found quite a bit of value in.

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It's funny how the same general idea keeps resurfacing on so many topics. Like how an elderly woman living in the brownstones of DC doesn't "need" an AR and believes that the gentleman who owns 1400 acres in Wyoming doesn't "need" one based on her situation, either.

Why, it's almost like a large, all-encompassing central control isn't the best way to run multiple states with different cultures, climates, and challenges. Gosh, if only someone had thought to include an amendment to cover that.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - New AIDS cases in '99 = 40K/yr. New HIV cases each year since? Take a guess at June 22, 2019 11:28 AM (SYNdr)

11
I haven't been to California in 30 years. Has it really declined that much?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 22, 2019 11:29 AM (Wx/+I)

12 Google CEO Sundar Pichai has announced that over the next decade his
company will convert $750 million worth of its own land to build at
least 15,000 new homes across the Bay Area. Google will also establish a
quarter-billion-dollar investment fund to encourage developers to build
at least 5,000 affordable housing units, along with additional money to
tackle homelessness.
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An Alphabet Company Town (TM). Seem to remember the same concept at the turn of the last century with Pullman towns.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 22, 2019 11:29 AM (MIKMs)

13 As your mayor, I take full responsibility for our response to this
crisis. And like everyone who has seen families in tents or spoken to a
homeless veteran in need, I am both heartbroken and impatient."

If that were true, you'd have resigned already.

I love how this turd manages to shoehorn veterans in. Because, you know, he's all about supporting our military. GFY.

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 11:29 AM (T6t7i)

14 Sick and tired of the use of "extreme weather".

Posted by: HA at June 22, 2019 11:29 AM (MAstk)

15 Google just needs to open labor camps with barracks and do what the Chinese have done for iPhone production.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2019 11:30 AM (oVJmc)

16 Instead of Potterville, Googleville.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 22, 2019 11:31 AM (UkK38)

17 An Alphabet Company Town (TM). Seem to remember the same concept at the turn of the last century with Pullman towns.

Yup. They've realized that the housing prices in Palo Alto, SF, etc. make it hard to attract labor.

Question: who has title if you quit the company?

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 11:31 AM (T6t7i)

18 These are not bad things to do in case of other emergencies, either. Every once in a while, we sneak a little preparedness information into the Gardening Thread, too.

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It's really easy, too. Or as complex as you want it to be. Buy a dozen cans of green beans, a few gallons of water, and a couple of big packs of AA and AAA batteries and put them in the back of a closet. Done.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - New AIDS cases in '99 = 40K/yr. New HIV cases each year since? Take a guess at June 22, 2019 11:31 AM (SYNdr)

19 Ready Kilowatt is dead.

Posted by: DR.WTF at June 22, 2019 11:31 AM (aS1PU)

20
Google should just build boarding houses.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 22, 2019 11:31 AM (Wx/+I)

21 [i15
Google just needs to open labor camps with barracks and do what the Chinese have done for iPhone production.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles

What makes you think that isn't the plan?

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 11:31 AM (T6t7i)

22 And the people will flee California, and still vote democrat in the states that they infest next. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Posted by: josephistan at June 22, 2019 11:31 AM (Izzlo)

23 My mom still calls them 'bums" (as distinguished from "hobos", who came from hard times and would work for food).

I hate that the non-contributing dregs of society are setting the baseline for everyone else.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 22, 2019 11:32 AM (kQs4Y)

24
And the people will flee California, and still vote democrat in the states that they infest next.

"The Bourbons have remembered everything and learned nothing." - Talleyrand

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 22, 2019 11:33 AM (Wx/+I)

25 Okay, how many wildfires will then be caused by people using candles and cooking outside?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2019 11:33 AM (oVJmc)

26 I loved it when I came here 30 years ago.

Now I count the days until I can escape.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 22, 2019 11:33 AM (EZebt)

27 The very idea makes the mind reel: San Francisco, San Jose, Silicon Valley--all gone dark. The electric-car charging stations

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I still want to know when Tesla will reach the break-even point on it's shipping, production, etc. facilities to build the "electric" cars they've been selling credits on.

I bet it will take twenty years before they pay off the fossil fuel debt and begin to really use any electricity.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - New AIDS cases in '99 = 40K/yr. New HIV cases each year since? Take a guess at June 22, 2019 11:34 AM (SYNdr)

28 So many third-world residents will adapt to fake blackouts by falling back on the technology they know-- open fires.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2019 11:34 AM (oVJmc)

29 "He thinks the number of homeless are a lot larger than the official numbers."
As are the fake numbers of illegal aliens reported and repeated for the last twenty years, and not just by the fake news media, but by many clueless folks on the right.

Posted by: Harlan at June 22, 2019 11:35 AM (suaaH)

30

Why would anyone move out? Bill Maher says everybody want to move in.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 22, 2019 11:35 AM (aKsyK)

31 A favorite blog I follow Diplomad 2.0 left California end of last year.for NC.

Posted by: Skip at June 22, 2019 11:35 AM (BbGew)

32 California is Europe without the 2000 year head start.

Posted by: garrett at June 22, 2019 11:35 AM (KBp3+)

33 I wonder what % of people leaving CA are GOPers.

One would think it's high.

Posted by: HA at June 22, 2019 11:36 AM (MAstk)

34 Worst part is that the Californians aren't going down with the ship.

They are invading other states to work their magic.

Posted by: garrett at June 22, 2019 11:36 AM (KBp3+)

35 So the best way to prepare for these is leave to another location that doesn't have these issues.

Posted by: Skip at June 22, 2019 11:36 AM (BbGew)

36
The very idea makes the mind reel: San Francisco, San Jose, Silicon Valley--all gone dark. The electric-car charging stations, the $500-a-plate sushi restaurants, the rows of workstations at Google, Uber, Facebook, Twitter, and Salesforce--all suddenly unplugged.

Bzzzzt!! Wrong! The Aristocracy will get their juice. The peasants of Nowheresville, CA are the ones who will suffer.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 22, 2019 11:36 AM (Wx/+I)

37 "Wastebin of history" is a vaguely Marxist formulation, Gavin.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 22, 2019 11:37 AM (EZebt)

38 Next - burn barrels for human waste better for the environment.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 22, 2019 11:37 AM (UkK38)

39
Why would anyone move out? Bill Maher says everybody want to move in.

Yep, the middle classes move out, the bottom classes move in.

The only people who aren't bothered are the most-rich, because they can insulate themselves, and gee, look at that 'income disparity' they lecture the rest of us on.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2019 11:37 AM (oVJmc)

40 In 1986, CA was a great place to visit. Haven't been back.

Posted by: None shall pass at June 22, 2019 11:37 AM (JdcHc)

41 As Victor Davis Hanson has noted, the amount of illegal dumping around Selma increased dramatically with the increase in illegal immigration.

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That's just crazy talk.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 22, 2019 11:37 AM (+y/Ru)

42 I think a lot of this homeless problem is follow the drug laws

Posted by: Skip at June 22, 2019 11:38 AM (BbGew)

43 An extra 10k generators sitting in the dry grass outside will start more than a few fires I am a thinking.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at June 22, 2019 11:38 AM (XGabL)

44 Question: who has title if you quit the company?
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Sixteen bytes and whadda ya get, Another day older and deeper in debt.

I owe my soul to the Company Store.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 22, 2019 11:39 AM (MIKMs)

45 The idea that Google can only build home in Cali and people can only live there is totally fukn crazy.

There are 10,159 houses From $200k to $400k for sell south of I610 south of Houston (not including Galveston). So at an average of $300k you could buy 2500. You could buy all of them for around $3 Billion.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 22, 2019 11:39 AM (JFO2v)

46 That was then, this is now.

https://bit.ly/2WYUuiL

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 22, 2019 11:39 AM (+y/Ru)

47 So a whole new take on the grapes of wrath? Who knew?

Posted by: Puddin Head at June 22, 2019 11:39 AM (v6ubM)

48 Soon, California will have special electric lines for Party Officials.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at June 22, 2019 11:40 AM (XGabL)

49 Odds are good that the grids are being tweaked so that the ruling class and favored corporations won't be without power.

Posted by: None shall pass at June 22, 2019 11:40 AM (JdcHc)

50 >>There are 10,159 houses From $200k to $400k for sell south of I610 south of Houston

Who in their right minds would move to Houston?

Posted by: garrett at June 22, 2019 11:40 AM (KBp3+)

51 You could buy all of them for around $3 Billion.
Posted by: rhennigantx at June 22, 2019 11:39 AM (JFO2v)

Too hot and sticky here for the genteel google folks

Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at June 22, 2019 11:40 AM (P4Pk9)

52 I live in a very red state and we never shit on the sidewalks. Maybe we're just slow learners

Posted by: G marks the spot at June 22, 2019 11:41 AM (j5RRD)

53 SCREAM AND LEAP!

Preferably on Gov. Newsome, or Threesome as someone here called him.

CA sounds like it's turning from the paradise of the Western World into a pesthole worse than my slagheap of Lousyana. Power outages in the summer? You can't survive here without A/C. Probably true of the desert and southern areas of CA too.

I intend to get out of here in next few years, probably when and if I can retire. Anybody live in Idaho? Tell me about it. Boise's temps look really good for someone who hates heat and humidity.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 22, 2019 11:41 AM (UP2XL)

54 The idea that worldwide internet companies are tied to the high-tech shithole of So Ca is nuts. It's the internet, idiots.

I know it's workforce concentration, but if other companies are expected to outsource, how is it a Google can't have workforce decentralized?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 22, 2019 11:41 AM (oVJmc)

55 Very nice roundup of the situation here KT. About the only thing I would add is the one-party state has reimposed the health insurance mandate with a tax penalty for not having insurance.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 22, 2019 11:42 AM (EZebt)

56 Kate McMillan at Small Dead Animals has linked this story under her recurring headline, "Oh, Sweet Saint of San Andreas, Hear My Prayer":

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y6klbjjp

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2019 11:42 AM (WG6O9)

57 38
Next - burn barrels for human waste better for the environment.

Posted by: Anna Puma

From an article some months ago about some African countries, this is what is known as a "fecalized environment". I can't say I've ever wanted to experience one.

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 11:42 AM (T6t7i)

58 Who in their right minds would move to Houston?
Posted by: garrett at June 22, 2019 11:40 AM (KBp3+)

They can haz electricity most of the time

Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at June 22, 2019 11:42 AM (P4Pk9)

59 All the shit is brown
And the boy are ghey
I've been for a walk
Got mugged twice that day
I'd be safe and warm
If I carried an AK

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 22, 2019 11:42 AM (JFO2v)

60 This means that my electricity could be shut off for several days if there were a threat of wildfire in the foothills

Because the Sierra Club won't allow the harvesting of trees killed in the recent drought, thus maximizing the fire risk. It's amazing how the big fires in California seem to start on Federal and state forestlands, not private forestlands.

Actually, California has a bigger long-term problem. The state is committed to 100% renewable energy, and is determined to drive fossil and nuclear generation out of the state.

So, every year, California becomes more and more dependent on solar generation. The teensy problem is that all the solar shuts down rapidly every evening, occurring at the peak of electrical demand.

California compensates for that by bringing in power from other states, particularly from the hydroelectric projects in the Pacific Northwest. The problem is that long-distance power lines fail occasionally, and the power lines from the Northwest run through some very fire-prone areas.

So, take a hot August day (the wind tends not to blow when it is very hot, so you don't get wind generation), and California is furiously ramping up its electrical imports as the solar shuts down, and something happens to shut down the power lines from the Northwest or Arizona. Unlikely that California will have adequate spare electrical capacity ready to instantaneously compensate for the sudden loss of electrical imports, given California's hatred of fossil fuel plants that can rapidly adjust to changing electrical demands.

Poof - instant state-wide blackout. This actually happened in 1996 - the blackout lasted up to six hours.

It will be much worse next time - having to compensate for the loss of solar through rapidly increasing electrical imports was not an issue in 1996.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2019 11:43 AM (I2/tG)

61 This is not the 21st Century I was promised.

Posted by: rickl at June 22, 2019 11:43 AM (sdi6R)

62 50 >>There are 10,159 houses From $200k to $400k for sell south of I610 south of Houston

Who in their right minds would move to Houston?
Posted by: garrett at June 22, 2019 11:40 AM (KBp3+)

I did!

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 22, 2019 11:43 AM (JFO2v)

63 52 I live in a very red state and we never shit on the sidewalks. Maybe we're just slow learners
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You're clearly not forward thinkers.

Posted by: HA at June 22, 2019 11:44 AM (MAstk)

64 Anecdotal, but a big part of the problem with the GOPers moving to places like NC is that they are often similar or even to the left of our older homegrown democrats.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Media Controls the Whether Machines at June 22, 2019 11:44 AM (4KQW/)

65
The very idea makes the mind reel: San Francisco, San Jose, Silicon Valley--all gone dark.

Is anyone REALLY so naive that they think those blackouts are gonna hit Frisco, San Jose and Silicon Valley? Please. They'll be in the places where poor black folk live, like Oakland, or in the remaining conservative areas of the state like the San Joaquin Valley.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 22, 2019 11:45 AM (WJy0R)

66 Posted by: rhennigantx at June 22, 2019 11:42 AM (JFO2v)
Bravo!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 22, 2019 11:45 AM (AZxMX)

67 My guess is that if this becomes a thing, those companies will leave. They really have no choice. Then, where's the CA economy?
Reality is SUCH a bitch.
Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 11:27 AM (T6t7i)

The big tech companies most likely have "whole-shop" uninterruptible power supplies powered by Diesel or natural gas. Ever see those sheds outside industrial buildings, with what looks like a big muffler on top? Those.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2019 11:45 AM (WG6O9)

68
Who in their right minds would move to Houston?

Posted by: garrett at June 22, 2019 11:40 AM (KBp3+)

It's a nice place to live, I just wouldn't want to visit here.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 22, 2019 11:45 AM (Wx/+I)

69 In the 90s the Californians were escaping to Yuma so they could be near their children while cashing in on their Clinton Mortgage Ponzi Scheme home price. It was a weird time.,I remember people were bragging about paying $175k for a miners shack outside of 29 Palms. Californians are fucking nuts.

Posted by: Puddin Head at June 22, 2019 11:46 AM (v6ubM)

70 "What a quote! I hope his statement went beyond an expression of personal feelings. I seem to remember that last name from years past. Is this guy one of those heritage politicians?"

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Sort of. Eric Garcetti's father was Gil Garcetti. Gil did hold an elected office. But he was DA, not mayor.

Posted by: junior at June 22, 2019 11:46 AM (Fp6vo)

71 Google recently announced they are spending big $$ in TX and OK.

Apple in AZ.

Hmm

Posted by: HA at June 22, 2019 11:46 AM (MAstk)

72 The Pacoima wash (part of LA river system) at Roscoe blvd in Panaroma city (smell the poo n pee for free!) is a toilet. Despite expensive periodic cleanups wearing tyvek etc gear, dirtbags insist on tossing in all manor of festering junk. Passed out dirtbags lie next to stolen bicycles, they use the river bed as a shithole's freeway, as the fences and gates are a broken open joke. This is right next to a junior high, oops, 29, middle school. Where is the EPA as this toxic stew drains to the ocean? Hell, its a navigable waterway certain times of year.

Posted by: adobe juan kenobe at June 22, 2019 11:47 AM (U3Cz9)

73 My own experience of CA is limited. In 2014 a group of Man from U.N.C.L.E. fans had a 50th anniversary bash in Culver City, and I flew out for it: visited what used to be the MGM studios, discussed episodes,, had a soiree with live music from the show, etc. The next day I rented a car and drove up to Malibu and a little beyond, then back.

Roads were pretty good, if crazy with drivers. Weather was dry and fairly mild. Not every place I walked into was properly air-conditioned. And the diner across the street from the hotel had okay food and a M-F specials menu . . . but my servers spoke very little English, so that I had to point to what I wanted.

Best moment: In Venice, I stopped at a light. A homeless guy was holding up a cardboard sign: "STARSHIP BROKEN. PLEASE HELP." If he'd been on my side of the road, I'd have given him a buck for the LOLs.

If it's only gotten more crowded and expensive, and the "leaders" are going to shut off the lights "for your own good," there's no way I'd go back.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 22, 2019 11:48 AM (UP2XL)

74 The big tech companies most likely have "whole-shop" uninterruptible power supplies powered by Diesel or natural gas. Ever see those sheds outside industrial buildings, with what looks like a big muffler on top? Those

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Wait, you mean those solar panels above the parking lots won't even keep the parking lot lights on?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Media Controls the Whether Machines at June 22, 2019 11:48 AM (4KQW/)

75 ...know how to manually open your garage door.

Better still, go ahead and do it manually. That's how we found out one of the springs on the door was broken. The garage door opener could still lift the door, but my wife couldn't. I managed to, but it would not stay open.

Test that manual opening. Please.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at June 22, 2019 11:48 AM (o7l6R)

76 You can't survive here without A/C.

That's the fun joke about California! Doubling electrical bills in Marin and Palo Alto is trivial, since you don't need much air conditioning or heating in those places. Therefore, The People Who Matter could care less if electrical rates go up.

Inland California, which is heavily poor and Hispanic, gets utterly screwed when electrical rates double.

Good luck living in Delano or Bakersfield without air conditioning in the summer.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2019 11:48 AM (I2/tG)

77 Mindful webworker, there's a note for you willowed at 314.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 22, 2019 11:49 AM (qc+VF)

78 The big tech companies most likely have "whole-shop"
uninterruptible power supplies powered by Diesel or natural gas. Ever
see those sheds outside industrial buildings, with what looks like a big
muffler on top? Those.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Could be, but I wonder if they can really e kept running for days at a time?

In any case, how will the workers get there? How will they know what time it is? Will they be motivated to go to work while their families are sweltering?

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 11:50 AM (T6t7i)

79 In my construction building knowledge many larger businesses have emergency generation capabilities. I would think a billion dollar company would do the same.

Posted by: Skip at June 22, 2019 11:50 AM (BbGew)

80 . "As your mayor, I take full responsibility ..."
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Weasel words. That's his way of saying, "I'm not taking any responsibility at all, but now stop talking about it."

Here, when it was revealed that a failure of our very Progressive county council to maintain proper oversight of the county manager allowed her to embezzle hundreds of thousands of dollars, the County Commission chair said exactly that, "I accept full responsibility", thereby getting the press off of his back.

In point of fact, he accepted *no* responsibility.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 22, 2019 11:51 AM (ZMWtN)

81 Lived in W LA/Santa Monica area for 12 years.

Didn't have or need AC and heat use was rare.

Posted by: HA at June 22, 2019 11:51 AM (MAstk)

82 Seriously, all that is required is that all (second class) Californians cease doing anything requiring electric power after dark, because it really is best for the environment!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 22, 2019 11:51 AM (AZxMX)

83 It will be much worse next time - having to compensate for the loss of solar through rapidly increasing electrical imports was not an issue in 1996. Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2019 11:43 AM (I2/tG)

SOLAR STEINER WILL COME.

Posted by: Mein California at June 22, 2019 11:52 AM (U3Cz9)

84 Anyone surprised that globalism make every place look like 19th century Shanghai?

Posted by: Puddin Head at June 22, 2019 11:52 AM (v6ubM)

85 82 Seriously, all that is required is that all (second class) Californians cease doing anything requiring electric power after dark, because it really is best for the environment!
...

Follow our Green lead.

Posted by: North Korea at June 22, 2019 11:53 AM (MAstk)

86 Just climbed out of that lyrical rabbit hole.
Whew.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 11:54 AM (nuOac)

87 Wolfus Aurelius- Just checking to see if you received my email.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 22, 2019 11:54 AM (fyf7W)

88 Mexicans really are part of the problem, and if you don't think so, you do not live or interface with Mexicans.

Chihuahuas, did I mention chihuahuas?

Posted by: nip at June 22, 2019 11:55 AM (RXwUQ)

89 Follow our Green lead.

Posted by: North Korea at June 22, 2019 11:53 AM (MAstk)

Note that properly prepared tree bark is a totally vegan tasty meal, plus, it's gluten and soy free!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 22, 2019 11:55 AM (AZxMX)

90 Is anyone REALLY so naive that they think those blackouts are gonna hit Frisco, San Jose and Silicon Valley?

The blackout did hit those places in 1996. San Francisco is on a peninsula, with limited access to the electrical grid. There used to be fossil fuel power plants within city limits that could power all of San Francisco, if San Francisco couldn't get power from the grid for some reason.

All those plants have now been closed, since they were polluting and icky. Good luck with that.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2019 11:55 AM (I2/tG)

91 80
Here, when it was revealed that a failure of our very Progressive county council to maintain proper oversight of the county manager allowed her to embezzle hundreds of thousands of dollars, the County Commission chair said exactly that, "I accept full responsibility", thereby getting the press off of his back.

In point of fact, he accepted *no* responsibility.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 22, 2019 11:51 AM (ZMWtN)

Yes, depending on the culture, "accepting full responsibility" used to mean "resigning" or "seppuku".

Posted by: rickl at June 22, 2019 11:56 AM (sdi6R)

92 87
Wolfus Aurelius- Just checking to see if you received my email.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 22, 2019

*
*
I did, Ben, and thanks. I'm investigating whether I could take some vacation days around that time.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 22, 2019 11:56 AM (UP2XL)

93 >>Is anyone REALLY so naive that they think those blackouts are gonna hit Frisco, San Jose and Silicon Valley?

Yep. Though, anyone with real money will have a backup generator ready to roll.

Posted by: garrett at June 22, 2019 11:57 AM (KBp3+)

94 82 Seriously, all that is required is that all (second class) Californians cease doing anything requiring electric power after dark, because it really is best for the environment!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 22, 2019 11:51 AM (AZxMX)

Keep those refrigerator doors closed 'till morning.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 11:58 AM (nuOac)

95 91 80
Here, when it was revealed that a failure of our very Progressive county council to maintain proper oversight of the county manager allowed her to embezzle hundreds of thousands of dollars, the County Commission chair said exactly that, "I accept full responsibility", thereby getting the press off of his back.

In point of fact, he accepted *no* responsibility.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 22, 2019 11:51 AM (ZMWtN)

Yes, depending on the culture, "accepting full responsibility" used to mean "resigning" or "seppuku".
Posted by: rickl at June 22, 2019 11:56 AM (sdi6R)

We used to have a drinking game each time Andy Reid would say "I accept full responsibility" in an Eagles post-game press conference.

Posted by: josephistan at June 22, 2019 11:58 AM (Izzlo)

96 California Report:

-Saw it off.
-Kick it out.
-Let it become Japan's Largest economy with all of California's inherent problems.
-Let Japan bomb them.
-Wipe our hands and walk away.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at June 22, 2019 11:58 AM (Ckg4U)

97 In point of fact, he accepted *no* responsibility.

Hey, I invented that trick!

Posted by: Janet Reno at June 22, 2019 11:59 AM (I2/tG)

98 The Van der Leun piece regarding his mom pre-dates the fire. It's from April 2018.

Posted by: dlsada at June 22, 2019 12:00 PM (tj4Of)

99 Migration will accelerate.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 12:00 PM (nuOac)

100 I'm starting a Go Fund Me for Large Saws.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at June 22, 2019 12:00 PM (Ckg4U)

101 When the Green Energy Pump and Dump finally dumps California is going have one sore chapped ass.

Posted by: Puddin Head at June 22, 2019 12:00 PM (v6ubM)

102 We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can roll the image, make it flutter. We can change the focus to a soft blur, or sharpen it to crystal clarity. For the next hour, sit quietly, and we will control all that you see and hear.

Posted by: PGE at June 22, 2019 12:01 PM (EgshT)

103 Can't wait to leave this state. Just five more years

Posted by: IC at June 22, 2019 12:01 PM (nBYQi)

104
Those with low social credit scores will have less access to electricity. We at Facebook will be happy to set up the monitoring system.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 22, 2019 12:02 PM (Wx/+I)

105 103 Can't wait to leave this state. Just five more years

Posted by: IC at June 22, 2019 12:01 PM (nBYQi)

You might want to rethink that. When the CA collapse comes, and it will, whatever property you own will be worthless.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 12:02 PM (nuOac)

106 We've all read that it costs $2000 for a Uhaul from San Jose to Phoenix or Las Vegas, but going the other way it's only $200 or whatever.

And that is true. And you can point to this as evidence that CA is bleeding people. And hence CA is doomed, etc.

There is however a "yeah but" to this. I read a report that said while CA is indeed losing net people, it's gaining high income residents and losing low and middle income residents. So essentially people moving in, don't rent a Uhaul, either their employer pays for relocation, or they can afford to hire movers. On the other hand people moving out, rent a Uhaul since they can't afford to hire movers and/or their jobs are not at the level that employers pay for relocation.

And even though the net number of people moving is is lower than the net number moving out, the fact that it's high income moving in and low income moving out, it's actually a net benefit for CA. High income people pay more taxes and use fewer benefits. So overall if this trend continues, it's a net positive for the state.

And yes obviously that doesn't include illegals, it only looked at state to state migration.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 22, 2019 12:03 PM (FiUMj)

107 ...and yes, I'm no Hank Johnson.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at June 22, 2019 12:03 PM (Ckg4U)

108 >>Migration will accelerate.

What are we going to do with all of those coconuts?

Posted by: garrett at June 22, 2019 12:03 PM (KBp3+)

109 Buy a generator.
Randomly pay late.

Posted by: DaveA at June 22, 2019 12:03 PM (FhXTo)

110 101
When the Green Energy Pump and Dump finally dumps California is going have one sore chapped ass.

Posted by: Puddin Head

They can start a support group with Germany.

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 12:03 PM (T6t7i)

111 Can't wait to leave this state. Just five more years
Posted by: IC at June 22, 2019 12:01 PM (nBYQi)

You still planning to come to Calgary soon?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2019 12:04 PM (WG6O9)

112 99
Migration will accelerate.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019

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Californians were already migrating to Colorado when I lived there 1997-2001. The old-timers complained that they were driving up house prices, and insisting on lawn sprinklers and pools, thereby making the climate more humid. To me it was delightfully dry, but then I was coming from a climate where you live at the bottom of a bowl of soup for 10 months of the year -- lukewarm soup, mixed with used engine oil and human(oid) sweat.

Everything I hear about CO since the legalization of pot makes me glad I'm not in Denver, at least. The far side of the Rockies, toward Utah, might be livable still.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 22, 2019 12:04 PM (UP2XL)

113 BTW

We are 5 full months into FL's new law re: felon's registering to vote.

The GOP has a small net gain over Dems during that time period.

Posted by: HA at June 22, 2019 12:05 PM (MAstk)

114
When the Green Energy Pump and Dump finally dumps California is going have one sore chapped ass.

Posted by: Puddin Head

Then it's Blame the Nearest Republican time.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 22, 2019 12:05 PM (Wx/+I)

115 Toshiba's moving/opening to Reno.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 12:06 PM (nuOac)

116 California... you have the rest of the union to help you along,

What's going wrong?

--Anti-Neil Young

Posted by: BurtTC at June 22, 2019 12:06 PM (cY3LT)

117 The article from Gerard at American Digest is a reprint. He confirmed elsewhere that his mom did die. Prayers.

Posted by: Dr. T at June 22, 2019 12:07 PM (Vgw1E)

118 Those with low social credit scores will have less access to electricity. We at Facebook will be happy to set up the monitoring system.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
---------

No need. We already have it covered.

BTW, you folk aren't looking so good.

Posted by: Bob, at NSA at June 22, 2019 12:07 PM (HTHlp)

119 So living in a 1976 camper on the streets of LA is the smart move. No good will come from this reality.

Posted by: Puddin Head at June 22, 2019 12:07 PM (v6ubM)

120 115 Toshiba's moving/opening to Reno.
...

HQ?

Posted by: HA at June 22, 2019 12:07 PM (MAstk)

121 the fact that it's high income moving in and low income moving out

It's the middle classes moving out of California, which has been happening since the 90's. A third of the nation's welfare recipients live in California - given the level of California welfare benefits, they're not going anywhere.

California is a great place to be very rich or very poor. Otherwise, not so much.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2019 12:07 PM (I2/tG)

122 California...how to do socialism in a country of free enterprise. And with Venezuela-like results.
This Thursday my daughter and her family will escape.
WooHoo!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at June 22, 2019 12:08 PM (axyOa)

123 Note that properly prepared tree bark is a totally vegan tasty meal, plus, it's gluten and soy free!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar

And can be used to wipe with

Posted by: Bruce at June 22, 2019 12:08 PM (vd8XM)

124 I read a report that said while CA is indeed losing net people, it's
gaining high income residents and losing low and middle income
residents. So essentially people moving in, don't rent a Uhaul, either
their employer pays for relocation, or they can afford to hire movers.
On the other hand people moving out, rent a Uhaul since they can't
afford to hire movers and/or their jobs are not at the level that
employers pay for relocation.

I rather doubt it's high income residents who crap on the streets. A society consisting of the wealthy and the psychotic, with nobody in between, is not a stable society.

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 12:08 PM (T6t7i)

125 Much/Most of the Hippy movement of the 60's was orchestrated/engineered/funded out of Soviet infiltration invasion plans. The Naked Communist laid out the plans, echoed by Paul Harvey in his "If I were the Devil" spiel in the 60's. Commies ruin everything ... but that is not an accident, it was their PsyOp plan on destroying sovereign America (and the rest of "the west").

The drug/culture rot is the planned outcome ... even if the actual Soviets yielded to the globalist oligarchs somewhere along the war path. The Phoenix rising from the ashes ... hopefully will be the sovereign patriot billion points of light, not a Google technocratic monolith issuing social credit scores.

Decentralizing the grid ... would be a good start ... but building power plants in CA won't come easy. You say you want a revolution ...?

Posted by: illiniwek at June 22, 2019 12:10 PM (Cus5s)

126 I've mentioned around these parts, I'm heading West (from St. Louis, MO), and I'm not yet willing to say where. My greatest fear though, is the influx of Californicans who are moving East.

I won't be in a large city though, so my hope is they'll think where I am is too backwater for their tastes.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 22, 2019 12:10 PM (cY3LT)

127 6ubM)
120 115 Toshiba's moving/opening to Reno.
...
HQ?

Posted by: HA at June 22, 2019 12:07 PM (MAstk)

Probably the workers, upper mgt will stay in their gated CA communities.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 12:10 PM (nuOac)

128 Google already built a perfectly fine homeless shelter and moved their headquarters staff into it. Time to 3rd Amendment the homeless drug addicts into their fancy new facility, while Google spends anothe bajillion on a newer headquarters.

Posted by: Downcast at June 22, 2019 12:10 PM (jJDA7)

129 "Creeque Alley?" So that's what the title of that song is.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at June 22, 2019 12:11 PM (edlKR)

130 California is a great place to be very rich or very poor. Otherwise, not so much.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2019 12:07 PM (I2/tG)

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Yeah exactly. And CA's powers that be are fine with that. They're happy to have a Brazil type society of rich and poor with no middle class. Lots of poor people means cheap nannies, lawn care, maids, etc and that's just fine with the rich.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 22, 2019 12:11 PM (FiUMj)

131 Those with low social credit scores will have less access to electricity. We at Facebook will be happy to set up the monitoring system.

One of the "solutions" will be to make electricity very expensive in the evenings, after the solar shuts off. This is why utilities are furiously installing "smart meters" - so they can price like that.

In California's increasing feudalism, only the rich will be able to use a significant amount of electricity after it gets dark.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2019 12:11 PM (I2/tG)

132 Remember when the term "homeless" didn't exist? Sure, there were always "bums", usually rusty-zipper alcoholics and drug addicts. Homelessness became a thing when, (I might need a bit of help here) Jimmah enforced a mental health 'reform" act that led to the de-institutionalization of 10's of thousands of former guests of the mental health system. It was against their Constitutional rights, you see, to keep them housed in government facilities.
*Presto* overnight a permanent homeless population was birthed.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 22, 2019 12:12 PM (ty7RM)

133 California... you have the rest of the union to help you along,

What's going wrong?
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I am reminded of the never-talked-about socialist villages that FDR set up and funded. Fifty or seventy five of them.

One (Farmdale?) was personally shepherded by Eleanor.

They all failed. All of them.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 22, 2019 12:13 PM (fZcn6)

134 "The old-timers complained that they were driving up house prices, and insisting on lawn sprinklers and pools, thereby making the climate more humid"

I've heard the same thing occurring in Phoenix, that dry heat isn't as dry as it used to be.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 22, 2019 12:13 PM (FiUMj)

135 @1 SMH-You're right Cali is a loony-bin.....with lots of hot (single and married)chicks looking for a man, not some beta man bun skinny jean wearing simp with man-tits. Being conservative puts in the asshole category for a lot of Cali women. "Bad boy" in their hind brain. I take full advantage of this. California is a single mans paradise.

Posted by: JROD at June 22, 2019 12:13 PM (X00x7)

136 Being conservative puts in the asshole category for a
lot of Cali women. "Bad boy" in their hind brain. I take full advantage
of this. California is a single mans paradise.

Posted by: JROD

Does this mean you fake being a lib? A FLIB, if you will.

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 12:15 PM (T6t7i)

137 Homelessness became a thing when, (I might need a bit of help here)
Jimmah enforced a mental health 'reform" act that led to the
de-institutionalization of 10's of thousands of former guests of the
mental health system. It was against their Constitutional rights, you
see, to keep them housed in government facilities.

*
*
Lefties always blame Reagan for closing the mental hospitals or something like that. What was the real story, then? Carter is the culprit?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 22, 2019 12:16 PM (UP2XL)

138 Posted by: JROD at June 22, 2019 12:13 PM (X00x7)

Yup.

Dating was awesome in LA.

One of the few things (beach, restaurants) I miss.

Posted by: HA at June 22, 2019 12:16 PM (MAstk)

139 They all failed. All of them.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.

As they have since the dawn of time. Seriously, how slowly do some people learn?

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 12:16 PM (T6t7i)

140 Bzzzzt!! Wrong! The Aristocracy will get their juice. The peasants of Nowheresville, CA are the ones who will suffer.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 22, 2019 11:36 AM (Wx/+I)

****

This.
The wealthy need not worry. Although in the interest of inclusiveness, these areas will have their token one hour power outage just to demonstrate they are down with the struggle.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 22, 2019 12:16 PM (axyOa)

141 "But even if all those Boomers beat their chests with guilt and self-loathing, I'm not sure it would help now. "

Thank you for that. Now . don't feel so bad about checking the boomer death clock, daily.

Posted by: Quilp at June 22, 2019 12:17 PM (Bf3hj)

142
Yeah exactly. And CA's powers that be are fine with that. They're happy to have a Brazil type society of rich and poor with no middle class. Lots of poor people means cheap nannies, lawn care, maids, etc and that's just fine with the rich.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 22, 2019 12:11 PM (FiUMj)

The rich in Brazil can't go anywhere without body gaurds. I don't think the rich in California understand that.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 22, 2019 12:17 PM (TAmPV)

143 Come for the totalitarianism, stay for the poop on the sidewalks!

Posted by: San Fran Nan at June 22, 2019 12:18 PM (EgshT)

144 The evening hum of natural gas fired generators in the air.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 12:18 PM (nuOac)

145 I know a lot of CA peeps and for the most part they're fine with the taxes and cost of living in exchange for what they get. The weather is one thing that I think a lot of people don't appreciate how important it is for some. I have a buddy who lives in the east bay and he said he's never leaving CA because every other climate he's experienced sucks compared to where he is. Others have said while they'd prefer lower taxes and lower cost of living, the benefits (weather, close to beach, ample job opportunities) far outweighs the negatives.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 22, 2019 12:18 PM (FiUMj)

146 I am reminded of the never-talked-about socialist villages that FDR set up and funded. Fifty or seventy five of them.

One (Farmdale?) was personally shepherded by Eleanor.

They all failed. All of them.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 22, 2019 12:13 PM (fZcn6)
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Was Greenbelt, MD one of them? It was a planned community and still has the feel of being an aging hippie Shire on the edge of Capital City.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 22, 2019 12:18 PM (kQs4Y)

147 I take full advantage of this. California is a single mans paradise.

Until it's not.

Posted by: California Family Law Courts at June 22, 2019 12:18 PM (I2/tG)

148 Green Belt was an LBJ attempt at planned community. Remember the Greg Society ended up burning come 1967.

Posted by: Puddin Head at June 22, 2019 12:20 PM (v6ubM)

149 it's natural that a place with abundant natural resources and idyllic weather would fall to invaders

happens all the time in history

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 22, 2019 12:20 PM (EGSGm)

150 California... you have the rest of the union to help you along,

What's going wrong?
-------------

I am reminded of the never-talked-about socialist villages that FDR set up and funded. Fifty or seventy five of them.

One (Farmdale?) was personally shepherded by Eleanor.

They all failed. All of them.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 22, 2019 12:13 PM (fZcn6)

I always get Eleanor Roosevelt and Helen Keller mixed up.

Both blind, in their own ways.

I remember seeing a video of Eleanor with that stupid grin on her face, looking at what she had wrought, one of those sites. This was when I was in school, and all the idiots were getting the very wrong message... that somehow WE had failed HER in her vision and wonderfulness.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 22, 2019 12:21 PM (cY3LT)

151 "it's gaining high income residents and losing low and middle income

residents."

and adding a half million a year in illegals, who take over the streets, even if they have homes (with 20-30 in a house, so they have a legal residence?). Many anchor babies are now having kids, and grandkids even. We were sold out ... now what?

Posted by: illiniwek at June 22, 2019 12:21 PM (Cus5s)

152 "What did Liberals use before Candles?"

"Electricity"

Posted by: firefirefire at June 22, 2019 12:21 PM (LVVMh)

153 Speaking of land and shit....SCOTUS decision yesterday said land owners can go directly to federal court to fight local restrictions on their land. Elena Kagan is super duper mad about this. Which means I am happy about it.

LOLGF liberals.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 22, 2019 12:22 PM (FiUMj)

154 Some say, 'come and take it'.
Others say, 'take it back'.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 12:22 PM (nuOac)

155 Well, time for me to go meet the day.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2019 12:23 PM (WG6O9)

156 A bit OT but is it legal if I declare my back yard as a Safe Haven for Oregon Republican legislators? But they must bring their own BBQ.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 22, 2019 12:23 PM (axyOa)

157 And the New York Legislature passed a climate change law last week calling for 70 percent of the state's energy to come from renewables by 2030, complete with a schedule of fines for noncompliance, all to be administered by the unelected Public Service Commission.

I would really like to stay in my home state and not move to Florida, but the likely increases in the cost of heat and electricity and the threat of blackouts due to the reliance on renewables may force my hand.

Posted by: mercenary13 at June 22, 2019 12:24 PM (3rOTJ)

158 *Lefties always blame Reagan for closing the mental hospitals or something like that. What was the real story, then? Carter is the culprit?*

Ahem, what am I, chopped liver?

Posted by: Gov Jerry Brown circa 1st term at June 22, 2019 12:24 PM (vv41h)

159 151 "it's gaining high income residents and losing low and middle income

residents."

and adding a half million a year in illegals, who take over the streets, even if they have homes (with 20-30 in a house, so they have a legal residence?). Many anchor babies are now having kids, and grandkids even. We were sold out ... now what?
Posted by: illiniwek at June 22, 2019 12:21 PM (Cus5s)

___

I said at the end of my post that this study did not include illegals (or any immigration) but focused only on migration in and out of CA to/from other states.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 22, 2019 12:24 PM (FiUMj)

160 Popping back in for this: over the last four hours there have been seven 4-5+ magnitude quakes off the Oregon coast.

https://tinyurl.com/y4cvfhnj

Posted by: Bert G at June 22, 2019 12:25 PM (OMsf+)

161 160 Popping back in for this: over the last four hours there have been seven 4-5+ magnitude quakes off the Oregon coast.

____

See, climate change is real!!!!
- people on Twitter right now

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 22, 2019 12:26 PM (FiUMj)

162 it's natural that a place with abundant natural resources and idyllic weather would fall to invaders

happens all the time in history
Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 22, 2019 12:20

*****

Life's a lot easier when to eat all you have to do is go out and pick something off a tree.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 22, 2019 12:27 PM (axyOa)

163 The cat video linked in the sidebar is funny. Poor girl thought by shutting the shower door she had those kitties right where she wanted them.

Posted by: Tuna at June 22, 2019 12:27 PM (jm1YL)

164 >>Popping back in for this: over the last four hours there have been seven 4-5+ magnitude quakes off the Oregon coast.

LET'S GET READY TO....

RUMBLE!!!!

Posted by: Zombie Michael Buffer at June 22, 2019 12:28 PM (KBp3+)

165 Fuck CA. Don't care what happens to that "state" anymore.

Posted by: Sooner at June 22, 2019 12:28 PM (Fs5vw)

166 Was Greenbelt, MD one of them? It was a planned community and still has the feel of being an aging hippie Shire on the edge of Capital City.
Posted by: All Hail Eris
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Yes. List from Wiki:
http://tinyurl.com/ycnxrx8d

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 22, 2019 12:29 PM (2qPhT)

167 I know a lot of CA peeps and for the most part they're fine with the taxes and cost of living in exchange for what they get. The weather is one thing that I think a lot of people don't appreciate how important it is for some. I have a buddy who lives in the east bay and he said he's never leaving CA because every other climate he's experienced sucks compared to where he is. Others have said while they'd prefer lower taxes and lower cost of living, the benefits (weather, close to beach, ample job opportunities) far outweighs the negatives.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 22, 2019 12:18 PM (FiUMj)

Of course, freedom means the right to choose what is important and what is not, regarding where one lives.

I can't imagine ever saying "I know I'm surrounded by millions of douchebags, in these overpriced hovels we call homes, with the poopers on the streets, and the crime everywhere you go...but the weather!!!"

To each their own.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 22, 2019 12:29 PM (cY3LT)

168 over the last four hours there have been seven 4-5+ magnitude quakes off the Oregon coast

It waz teh Boomers!

Posted by: That guy who always blames the Boomers at June 22, 2019 12:30 PM (EgshT)

169 California.

The big earthquake to sink it into the ocean cannot come soon enough.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 22, 2019 12:30 PM (Z+IKu)

170 Oregon quakes. It's from the fracking!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 22, 2019 12:31 PM (HTHlp)

171 Did Peaches move back to California?

Posted by: slowdown at June 22, 2019 12:31 PM (E+yET)

172 I doubt a connection but think there was earthquakes in Japan the other day

Posted by: Skip at June 22, 2019 12:31 PM (BbGew)

173 28� KW PG&E juice. $700 electric bills. Almost $4 gallon ARCO gas and Chevron at $4.30

Natural Gas bills going up $75 mo. to replace rotten pipes.

They tax car batteries an extra dollar at point of sale because they can

Homeless are everywhere. Even in the road pushing stolen shopping carts full of crap in the dead of night.

Potholes knock your fillings out.

Gunfire all the night. Criminals kill police with regularity. Car accidents kill multiple victims regular. The cheapest moving violation ticket is $480.

Inner cities are dystopian madness. Needles and junkies shooting up openly. Streets smell like piss. Beggars at every off ramp. Mostly white.

Rivers are fished out. But homeless line banks near towns and there are no toilets. Have to go to mountains or boat to bays to fish.

Can't hunt with lead.Buying ammo requires ID and fingerprint so have to drive out of state. Better pay cash there too. And don't get caught bringing it back. They have border inspection stations on all highways but don't inspect for illegy aliens.

Posted by: torabora at June 22, 2019 12:31 PM (38L6+)

174 The far side of the Rockies, toward Utah, might be livable still.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 22, 2019 12:04 PM (UP2XL)

It is.

Posted by: Infidel at June 22, 2019 12:31 PM (xzK3J)

175 "Extreme weather" and "Climate change":

they're now the Ironclad Excuse for all mal-mis-and non-feasance of government and public utilities.

Posted by: Noam Sayen at June 22, 2019 12:32 PM (WJcbb)

176 The cat video linked in the sidebar is funny. Poor girl thought by shutting the shower door she had those kitties right where she wanted them.
Posted by: Tuna at June 22, 2019 12:27 PM (jm1YL)

Poor cats. Some people are too stupid to have pets. I wish they had a better home.

Sad.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 22, 2019 12:32 PM (cY3LT)

177 ''See, climate change is real!!!!
- people on Twitter right now''

Those shifting tectonic plates don't give sh*t about climate change. All they care about is getting more comfy. If your china and crystal fall off the shelves in the process so be it but don't blame it on climate change.

Posted by: Tuna at June 22, 2019 12:33 PM (jm1YL)

178 I see CT has imposed an exit tax on the sale of mansions.

Posted by: HA at June 22, 2019 12:33 PM (MAstk)

179 170
Oregon quakes. It's from the fracking!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.

**cough**

Posted by: Cascadia subduction zone at June 22, 2019 12:34 PM (T6t7i)

180 Total rot has not hit Whidbey Island north of Seattle. A drug invested rattletrap motor home made it to the island and parked on the side of the road near my niece. She called Island County sheriff the next morning and was informed she was the sixth person to call in. Motor home was gone by sundown.
They must have a Bratton type as sheriff.

It's all community standards. Once you let the rot get a foothold it blossoms like a thousand stink plants.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at June 22, 2019 12:34 PM (e1mEI)

181 >>Oregon quakes. It's from the fracking!

Soon.

Posted by: Juan de Fuca at June 22, 2019 12:34 PM (KBp3+)

182 And speaking of feces:

https://tinyurl.com/y3o548tg

It's the richly named Florida Man Dorleans Philidor. That moniker belongs on a fin de siecle poet, not a poo-flinger.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 22, 2019 12:36 PM (kQs4Y)

183 A drug invested rattletrap motor home made it to the island and parked on the side of the road near my niece.

Shitter's full!

Posted by: Cousin Eddie at June 22, 2019 12:36 PM (EgshT)

184 Austin city council just voted to decriminalize panhandling unless it's "aggressive". Not sure who gets to define "aggressive"??? And they approved a plan to borrow tens of millions of dollars to purchase land and develop another homeless shelter. I really hate this city. I carry to work because the one block I have to walk between the parking garage and office usually has a lot of vagrants around. They are trying to turn us into Seattle or California.

Posted by: lin-duh at June 22, 2019 12:37 PM (UUBmN)

185 Well I am post-135 because I not only read the content, I listened to the songs, and I read the exegesis of Creeque Alley, which is awesome.

I know the song but I had no idea what it's name was. I got most of the references already but gosh darn it I admire the internet for its thoroughness, its perseveration, and its OCD.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 22, 2019 12:37 PM (fuK7c)

186 "Hey, this way we can black out the deplorables any time we 'deem' the risk of fire is too great"

Posted by: t-bird at June 22, 2019 12:37 PM (g0Lfb)

187 Bookmarked that map.

When CA west of the San Andreas falls into the ocean its domestic problems will be solved.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 12:37 PM (nuOac)

188 Creaky Alley.

It's where that old whore Michelle Phillips is now.

Wonder how she managed to out live the rest....

Well, except for Mama Ham Sammich.

Oh, and John Phillips. What a damn freak.

Never mind....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 22, 2019 12:38 PM (Z+IKu)

189 "I can't imagine ever saying "I know I'm surrounded by millions of douchebags, in these overpriced hovels we call homes, with the poopers on the streets, and the crime everywhere you go...but the weather!!!"

_______

But that's not reality. Example is a friend of mine I've known for 20 years. Born and raised in NorCal. He's a tech exec, his wife works in bio-tech. They make a fuckload of money and live in an awesome home in an awesome neighborhood with no homeless anywhere in sight.

He's a super conservative dude (yeah I know right?? but they do exist). He hates paying taxes, he hates the insanity that is the CA Dem party. All of it. But he loves the weather, loves being close to an ocean, and knows that given his position and his wife's position, where else would they find it? Seattle? NYC? Boston?. And then what's the difference? At least there it's sunny every day where he lives.

That's kind of my point I made initially. The people moving out aren't him. It's the middle income workers who can make their middle income anywhere in the country. Teachers, nurses, accountants, etc. But for people like my friend, CA is one of the few places in the world where he can do what he does and earn what he earns. And he's not going to leave.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 22, 2019 12:38 PM (FiUMj)

190 56 Kate McMillan at Small Dead Animals has linked this story under her recurring headline, "Oh, Sweet Saint of San Andreas, Hear My Prayer":

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y6klbjjp
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 22, 2019 11:42 AM (WG6O9)

A few weeks ago, Iwas trying to remember how I found AOSHQ back in 2004. I decided it was Kate's site. She's a great writer.

Posted by: Texas Mike at June 22, 2019 12:39 PM (nvMvs)

191 Hi Bander!

I didn't know Mama Cass was nicknamed after Cassandra.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 22, 2019 12:40 PM (kQs4Y)

192 Good Luck in the Former Great State of Cal. At least your Marxist state has the Ocean.

Posted by: Jonah at June 22, 2019 12:40 PM (HrSJb)

193 Can I borrow a liver?

Posted by: Papa John Phillips at June 22, 2019 12:40 PM (EgshT)

194 Austin city council just voted to decriminalize panhandling unless it's "aggressive". Not sure who gets to define "aggressive"??? And they approved a plan to borrow tens of millions of dollars to purchase land and develop another homeless shelter. I really hate this city. I carry to work because the one block I have to walk between the parking garage and office usually has a lot of vagrants around. They are trying to turn us into Seattle or California.
Posted by: lin-duh at June 22, 2019 12:37 PM (UUBmN)

If you're going to "decriminalize" panhandling, you might as well go ahead and decriminalize street hooking and strong arm holdups as well.

They serve the same purpose: perpetuating the drug business.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 22, 2019 12:40 PM (cY3LT)

195 Anybody here ever bought Bitcoin?

Posted by: Jonah at June 22, 2019 12:40 PM (HrSJb)

196
Oregon quakes. It's from the fracking!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.

**cough**

Posted by: Cascadia subduction zone at June 22, 2019 12:34 PM (T6t7i)

**cough**

Posted by: Juan de Fuca Plate at June 22, 2019 12:41 PM (TAmPV)

197 ''Poor cats. Some people are too stupid to have pets. I wish they had a better home. ''

My son adopted a stray kitty that showed up on their front porch a couple of months ago. Cute little tortoiseshell. She was very happy to have a home, food and someplace soft to sleep. Of course my son being a responsible pet owner got her to the vet where she was poked, prodded, spayed, vaccinated, claws filed and capped and then chipped. This was not what kitty had in mind and has gone from being his best friend to completely ignoring him. LOL

Posted by: Tuna at June 22, 2019 12:41 PM (jm1YL)

198 195 Anybody here ever bought Bitcoin?
...

Fuck no.

Posted by: HA at June 22, 2019 12:41 PM (MAstk)

199 And if TX doesn't get tough on illegals and it's leftist cities, then TX will more than likely become just like CA.

Posted by: Sooner at June 22, 2019 12:42 PM (Fs5vw)

200 195 Anybody here ever bought Bitcoin?
Posted by: Jonah at June 22, 2019 12:40 PM (HrSJb)

___

Thought about it when it had the colossal fall from $20K to $6K. But didn't. Wish I had.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 22, 2019 12:42 PM (FiUMj)

201 Hi Eris!

I didn't know about the Cassandra bit either.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 22, 2019 12:42 PM (fuK7c)

202 "I can't imagine ever saying "I know I'm surrounded by millions of douchebags, in these overpriced hovels we call homes, with the poopers on the streets, and the crime everywhere you go...but the weather!!!"

_______

But that's not reality. Example is a friend of mine I've known for 20 years. Born and raised in NorCal. He's a tech exec, his wife works in bio-tech. They make a fuckload of money and live in an awesome home in an awesome neighborhood with no homeless anywhere in sight.

He's a super conservative dude (yeah I know right?? but they do exist). He hates paying taxes, he hates the insanity that is the CA Dem party. All of it. But he loves the weather, loves being close to an ocean, and knows that given his position and his wife's position, where else would they find it? Seattle? NYC? Boston?. And then what's the difference? At least there it's sunny every day where he lives.

That's kind of my point I made initially. The people moving out aren't him. It's the middle income workers who can make their middle income anywhere in the country. Teachers, nurses, accountants, etc. But for people like my friend, CA is one of the few places in the world where he can do what he does and earn what he earns. And he's not going to leave.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 22, 2019 12:38 PM (FiUMj)

I get it.

As was noted above, it's "livable" there for the rich and the poor. For everyone else, not so much.

I'm glad your friend has his walled existence and can enjoy the weather. They're the true 1%ers.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 22, 2019 12:42 PM (cY3LT)

203 The theory is the southern western part of California will drift away, not sink sometime in the next 100,000 years.

Posted by: Skip at June 22, 2019 12:44 PM (BbGew)

204 Homeless are everywhere. Even in the road pushing stolen shopping carts full of crap in the dead of night.
Posted by: torabora at June 22, 2019 12:31 PM (38L6+)

So, went to Seattle to get mom's cancer drugs. Stopped at a light and was amazed to see a trans biomale in stilettos riding a bicycle behind a butch biofemale harnessed like a husky hauling a boosted shopping cart.
I was laughing so hard I forgot to take a picture.
That place is a Chuck Heston madhouse.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at June 22, 2019 12:44 PM (e1mEI)

205 Enjoy forever possessing Child Pron, which is in the Bitcoin blockchain, is you ever buy it. You fucked for life.

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 22, 2019 12:44 PM (72spU)

206 In the Year 2525
If Trump is still alive
If woman can survive
Four more years or five

In the year 3535
Trump is Emperor for Life
A robot body, robot dong
The Left is permanently schlonged

Hat tip to naturalflake.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 22, 2019 12:44 PM (+y/Ru)

207 198 195 Anybody here ever bought Bitcoin?
...

Fuck no.

Posted by: HA at June 22, 2019 12:41 PM (MAstk)

Yes...

Posted by: Riviera Beach, FLA at June 22, 2019 12:45 PM (cY3LT)

208 Cubafornia. Status -- in progress

Once upon a time, I wanted to live in CA. Now I won't even visit there.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 22, 2019 12:46 PM (Z4rgH)

209 196
Oregon quakes. It's from the fracking!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.

**cough**

Posted by: Cascadia subduction zone at June 22, 2019 12:34 PM (T6t7i)

**cough**
Posted by: Juan de Fuca Plate at June 22, 2019 12:41 PM (TAmPV)

They cough, we shake!

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at June 22, 2019 12:47 PM (e1mEI)

210 Oregon quakes. It's from the fracking!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.

**cough**

Posted by: Cascadia subduction zone at June 22, 2019 12:34 PM (T6t7i)

**cough**

-
Chiquita Khrushchev knows why that Philadelphia refinery blew.

https://bit.ly/2XnMLiv

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 22, 2019 12:47 PM (+y/Ru)

211 But for people like my friend, CA is one of the few
places in the world where he can do what he does and earn what he earns.
And he's not going to leave.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker

The flaw in your argument is that it assumes your friend's lifestyle will always be available, even when the economy inevitably augers in. Greece has a (by definition) Mediterranean lifestyle, but nobody's moving there.

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 12:48 PM (T6t7i)

212 182
It's the richly named Florida Man Dorleans Philidor. That moniker belongs on a fin de siecle poet, not a poo-flinger.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 22, 2019 12:36 PM (kQs4Y)

There was an 18th Century French chess player named Philidor, who was probably the most famous of his time.

Posted by: rickl at June 22, 2019 12:48 PM (sdi6R)

213 From a rather different perspective, even leftists could see failure on the horizon.

See "Paradise Lost: California's Experience, America's Future" by Peter Schrag, 1998.

"...a place inhabited by what writer Robert Kaplan called 'resident expatriates' - global citizens who, regardless of class or ethnicity, have only a tentative loyalty to the place that they live or to anything that would resemble nation or community"

The resident expatriates now share power with anti-American Mexicans.

America's future indeed?

Posted by: RioBravo at June 22, 2019 12:48 PM (GNk5/)

214 Ten Plagues of Glorious People's Republic of Kalifornia?

There's only two: Progressivism and its kissing cousin, Postmodernism.

All the others fall under those penumbras of stoopid, from environmentalism to selective law enforcement. They been letting it all hang out for so long that anarchy probably looks like an improvement.

Rules: How do they work?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 22, 2019 12:48 PM (HaL55)

215 ''In the year 3535
Trump is Emperor for Life
A robot body, robot dong
The Left is permanently schlonged ''

Now I have an image of PDT's head on one of those giant sand worms from "Dune". God Emperor .

Posted by: Tuna at June 22, 2019 12:49 PM (jm1YL)

216 Greece has a (by definition) Mediterranean lifestyle, but nobody's moving there.

-------------------

Except for 'Syrians'?

And Albanians, Indians, Kurds, Afghans, Iraqis and Somalis?

Posted by: RioBravo at June 22, 2019 12:51 PM (GNk5/)

217 Good morning!

Let's smile and be happy and strike fear in the hearts of killjoy leftists everywhere.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 22, 2019 12:51 PM (u82oZ)

218 A bit OT but is it legal if I declare my back yard as a Safe Haven for Oregon Republican legislators? But they must bring their own BBQ.

They''d better be in Idaho - the Governor of Washington sounds as if he would be perfectly fine with the Oregon State Police illegally kidnapping the Oregon Republican legislators in Washington, and dragging them back to Oregon.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2019 12:51 PM (I2/tG)

219 Venez~whale~A comes to Californicationa. Welcome to the new reality.

Posted by: Lump at June 22, 2019 12:51 PM (OxAX6)

220 216
Greece has a (by definition) Mediterranean lifestyle, but nobody's moving there.

-------------------

Except for 'Syrians'?

And Albanians, Indians, Kurds, Afghans, Iraqis and Somalis

Fair point. Nobody who isn't coming from an even worse s***hole.

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 12:53 PM (T6t7i)

221 Another thunderstorm knocked me offline last night. This is getting tiresome.

Plenty of chores to do.

Have a blessed day, everyone.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 22, 2019 12:53 PM (u82oZ)

222 "I seem to remember that last name from years past. Is this guy one of those heritage politicians?"

His dad was DA during the O.J. Trial.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at June 22, 2019 12:54 PM (ijEPD)

223 yep

Posted by: Jonah at June 22, 2019 12:54 PM (HrSJb)

224 Just, Drift Away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A69BertdSt4

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 12:54 PM (nuOac)

225 The flaw in your argument is that it assumes your friend's lifestyle will always be available

One of the richest neighborhoods in California is directly next to a Hispanic slum.

Fortunately, there is a magical force field that will keep the Hispanics from moving several hundred feet into the rich neighborhood to loot it when social order collapses.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2019 12:55 PM (I2/tG)

226 217 Good morning!

Let's smile and be happy and strike fear in the hearts of killjoy leftists everywhere.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 22, 2019 12:51 PM (u82oZ)

I'll just carry my trusty pistole.

Posted by: Sooner at June 22, 2019 12:55 PM (Fs5vw)

227 218 A bit OT but is it legal if I declare my back yard as a Safe Haven for Oregon Republican legislators? But they must bring their own BBQ.

They''d better be in Idaho - the Governor of Washington sounds as if he would be perfectly fine with the Oregon State Police illegally kidnapping the Oregon Republican legislators in Washington, and dragging them back to Oregon.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2019 12:51 PM (I2/tG)

She seems the Roman Caesar type who would have the republicans assassinated and appoint obedient lackies.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at June 22, 2019 12:55 PM (e1mEI)

228 207. always wondered how hard it is too sell? is it liquid?

Posted by: Jonah at June 22, 2019 12:55 PM (HrSJb)

229 Total rot has not hit Whidbey Island north of Seattle. A drug invested rattletrap motor home made it to the island and parked on the side of the road near my niece. She called Island County sheriff the next morning and was informed she was the sixth person to call in. Motor home was gone by sundown.
They must have a Bratton type as sheriff.

It's all community standards. Once you let the rot get a foothold it blossoms like a thousand stink plants.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at June 22, 2019 12:34 PM (e1mEI)

****

Sounds like the dirtbag we kicked out of Bonney Lake a few months ago.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 22, 2019 12:56 PM (axyOa)

230 Thanks Slap! You just killed all of my family !
I'm safe, I'm in Misery, I mean Missouri.

Posted by: E. Stan Bull at June 22, 2019 12:56 PM (B+t5k)

231 The wall, when they build it, ought to extend right up the 101. Maybe the I-5, just to be sure.

Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at June 22, 2019 12:57 PM (xmKbk)

232 Greece is just the gateway, their government is broke, so they usually move to northern Europe where the handouts are plentiful.

Posted by: Skip at June 22, 2019 12:58 PM (BbGew)

233 Kate McMillan at Small Dead Animals has linked this story under her
recurring headline, "Oh, Sweet Saint of San Andreas, Hear My Prayer":
Here's a song by the Canuk band Klaatu (who everybody thought were the reformed Beatles for a while back in the mid-'70's) that refers to the Great San Andreas Misfortune at some future time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKW18CQri6A

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at June 22, 2019 12:58 PM (HaL55)

234 That moniker belongs on a fin de siecle poet, not a poo-flinger.
------
Les sanglots longs des violons de l'automne
Blesse mon coeur du langeur monotone

Posted by: Captain Obvious at June 22, 2019 12:58 PM (iB1oa)

235 She seems the Roman Caesar type who would have the republicans assassinated and appoint obedient lackies.

The Republican secretary of state died in office recently. Under Oregon law, the governor was required to appoint a Republican. She appointed a "Republican" woman in her 80's, who fired all the staffers who were causing problems for the Democrats by investigating state corruption, and has been a perfect lackey for the governor.

Spit.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2019 12:59 PM (I2/tG)

236 The flaw in your argument is that it assumes your friend's lifestyle will always be available

One of the richest neighborhoods in California is directly next to a Hispanic slum.

Fortunately, there is a magical force field that will keep the Hispanics from moving several hundred feet into the rich neighborhood to loot it when social order collapses.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2019 12:55 PM (I2/tG)

Victor Davis Hanson talks about the life changing experience of finding dead mexicans on one's land. Land that has been in his family for generations.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 22, 2019 12:59 PM (cY3LT)

237 Mayor Garcetti is the son of the former District Attorney, Gil Garcetti of the O J Simpson trial.

That's where you heard his name before.

Posted by: MachiasPrivateer at June 22, 2019 01:00 PM (EMi53)

238 Les sanglots longs des violons de l'automne

Blesse mon coeur du langeur monotone

Posted by: Captain Obvious
Also, Jean a de longues moustaches

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 01:01 PM (T6t7i)

239 Speaking as a lifelong Californian (and current resident of Los Angeles--for my sins,) I can answer a few of your questions:

Yes, Eric G. is a heritage politician. His dad, Gil Garcetti, was a VERY important local politico for many years. It's the only reason his useless numbskull of a son has a career in politics.

As for the trash in the streets--Garcetti is right that a lot of the illegal dumping is from local businesses. What he omits to mention is that a couple of years ago, he imposed on all commercial properties a new garbage pick-up program that is so horribly expensive to its clients and so completely inefficient that many small businesses have no choice but to hire the homeless to just dump their garbage in the streets. So basically this is largely Mayor Moron's fault, too.

And as for Jerry Brown throwing pot parties--he did (does?) worse than that. I once talked to a guy who worked as a security guard. On one occasion during Brown's first run as governor, this security guard was assigned to drive Brown and Linda Ronstadt to some official event. The guard said that during the trip, Brown and Ronstadt were snorting cocaine together. The guard growled to me, "I wanted to stop the limo and arrest them both!"

And for anyone who's wondering: yes, life here in California HAS gotten as bad as you've been hearing. And I see no reason to believe it won't get a lot worse very soon. Before you ask, I'd move out of state in a heartbeat, but for various personal reasons, I just can't right now.

Posted by: Undine at June 22, 2019 01:01 PM (qq+1a)

240 As of 2013 (before the latest 'migrant crisis') 11% of the Greek population was immigrant.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 22, 2019 01:02 PM (GNk5/)

241 "Google will also establish a quarter-billion-dollar investment fund to encourage developers to build at least 5,000 affordable housing units, along with additional money to tackle homelessness."

That sounds impressive. "A quarter billion dollars" until you realize it's only $50K per "affordable housing unit." A "cheap" house is going to run you $500k. It's still the other $450K that needs to be addressed. And that's for a "cheap" house.

A friend did some work in SF in construction. Some of the other crew each paid (4 of them) $900 per month to SHARE a bedroom (4 bunk beds) with toilet/shower privileges. Granted, the work was near fisherman's wharf so they were near.

And don't be fooled. The help for homelessness is an altruistic display, which IMHO, is more geared towards homelessness NOT driving down their property values as much as it is helping the downtrodden.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at June 22, 2019 01:02 PM (Qyj93)

242
Nothing says progressive like turning the state into a third world shithole

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 22, 2019 01:03 PM (XfxTk)

243 Still bracing for Roberts next week with SCOTUS, on the census .
Is he taking bribes this weekend? or is it a phone call from Obama , who has pictures

Posted by: Jonah at June 22, 2019 01:03 PM (HrSJb)

244 The other cute trick Oregon Democrats have been doing is all controversial bills are now "emergency" bills. "Emergency" bills can't be referred to a vote of the people, which has undone several pieces of Democratic legislation in the past.

The main reason why the Oregon Republican legislators are in hiding is that the proposed cap-and-trade bill is, of course, being passed as an "emergency" bill. They want to let the people to vote on it. The D's oppose this, since they know that it will lose.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2019 01:03 PM (I2/tG)

245 Is he taking bribes this weekend? or is it a phone call from Obama , who has pictures

Posted by: Jonah

IIRC, his kids are now of legal age. Not much risk they'll be reclaimed.

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 01:04 PM (T6t7i)

246 Victor Davis Hanson talks about the life changing
experience of finding dead mexicans on one's land. Land that has been
in his family for generations.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 22, 2019 12:59 PM (cY3LT)

I heard him interviewed on a local radio show. He said it's no longer the place he grew up in. People who don't speak any English, the gang violence. It's a total 3rd world shithole all thanks to the leftist government

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 22, 2019 01:04 PM (XfxTk)

247 The main reason why the Oregon Republican
legislators are in hiding is that the proposed cap-and-trade bill is, of
course, being passed as an "emergency" bill. They want to let the
people to vote on it. The D's oppose this, since they know that it will
lose.

Posted by: The ARC of History!

Obvious question: they why do the people of Oregon keep electing them?

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 01:05 PM (T6t7i)

248 211 But for people like my friend, CA is one of the few
places in the world where he can do what he does and earn what he earns.
And he's not going to leave.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker

The flaw in your argument is that it assumes your friend's lifestyle will always be available, even when the economy inevitably augers in. Greece has a (by definition) Mediterranean lifestyle, but nobody's moving there.
Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 12:48 PM (T6t7i)

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Well yeah I suppose nothing in life is guaranteed. I don't think anyone was moving to Greece 50 years ago either.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 22, 2019 01:05 PM (FiUMj)

249 You people sound like power outages are a rare thing. I guess the grid is fragile out here on the edge of civilization. Repeat after me, "propane generator".

Posted by: These fish sticks are hard as tits at June 22, 2019 01:05 PM (1L9V9)

250 239. Agreed, but why has the National Security Question never been brought up by the Right?
1. Terrorists, posing as migrants coming across Tijuana.
2. Chinese sees weakness in Cal?
3. Is all our military installations in that shithole state safe, and uncorrupted?

Posted by: Jonah at June 22, 2019 01:06 PM (HrSJb)

251 I haven't been to California in 30 years. Has it really declined that much?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 22, 2019 11:29 AM (Wx/+I)
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Yes.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 22, 2019 01:06 PM (WEBkv)

252 I met the Oregon gov once.
I bet her shiv collection rivals Bluebell's.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 22, 2019 01:06 PM (axyOa)

253 237. Jewish Italian Family

Posted by: Jonah at June 22, 2019 01:07 PM (HrSJb)

254 The flaw in your argument is that it assumes your friend's lifestyle
will always be available, even when the economy inevitably augers in.
Greece has a (by definition) Mediterranean lifestyle, but nobody's
moving there.

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 12:48 PM (T6t7i)

Well yeah I suppose nothing in life is guaranteed.

It's the difference between leaving when there's no immediate reason to think things aren't going well, and leaving because your house is on fire.

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 01:07 PM (T6t7i)

255 Yes, Gerald's mother passed away. The photo of her in that car with his brother and story were from last year.

Posted by: Will at June 22, 2019 01:07 PM (4RJOM)

256 Midwest heat/humidity and winter cold can seem oppressive, but the strong willed adapt and it is part of the sport of life. There are many freedoms even in rural Illinois, at an affordable price, where things grow very well ... harder to come by in the "perfect climate" meccas.

Oceans are dreamy, mountains offer great vistas ... but it is easy to get caught up in those things being the "better things in life". Surrendering to the globalist cabal to have those things ... in many ways, is not doing our constitutional duty ...

speaking of high speed rail scams ... the old declaration of independence may be in order ... long live the AoS Revolution.

"when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security"

Posted by: illiniwek at June 22, 2019 01:07 PM (Cus5s)

257 Did Peaches move back to California?
Posted by: slowdown at June 22, 2019 12:31 PM (E+yET)

I believe she did, but not sure.

Posted by: E. Stan Bull at June 22, 2019 01:07 PM (B+t5k)

258 Obvious question: they why do the people of Oregon keep electing them?
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There are a lot of idiots here.

OTOH, a few years ago, when there was an initiative to give illegals driver's licenses, it was thumpingly defeated at the polls, with 60% against. So there are occasional sensible outbursts.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at June 22, 2019 01:08 PM (iB1oa)

259 re: Victor David Hanson

He lives near Fresno, right? Yeah that is a shithole times two. My friend lives in Los Gatos. Basically the two polar opposites of the California experience.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 22, 2019 01:08 PM (FiUMj)

260
>>>And don't be fooled. The help for homelessness is an altruistic display, which IMHO, is more geared towards homelessness NOT driving down their property values as much as it is helping the downtrodden.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at June 22, 2019 01:02 PM (Qyj93)

As the ratio of homeless to middle class inverts property values will plummet.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 01:08 PM (nuOac)

261 I don't think anyone was moving to Greece 50 years ago either.

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Albanians have always been moving to Greece.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 22, 2019 01:09 PM (GNk5/)

262
And for anyone who's wondering: yes, life here in California HAS gotten as bad as you've been hearing. And I see no reason to believe it won't get a lot worse very soon. Before you ask, I'd move out of state in a heartbeat, but for various personal reasons, I just can't right now.
Posted by: Undine at June 22, 2019 01:01 PM (qq+1a)

When you get miserable enough, you will. And "personal reasons" won't be enough to keep you there.

You just aren't miserable enough.

For myself, I'd choose not to live that way.

Posted by: Sooner at June 22, 2019 01:09 PM (Fs5vw)

263 205. Wow!!!

Posted by: Jonah at June 22, 2019 01:09 PM (HrSJb)

264 It's the difference between leaving when there's no
immediate reason to think things aren't going well, and leaving because
your house is on fire.

Posted by: pep

Or more accurately, leaving because the houses down the street are on fire and it's moving your way.

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 01:10 PM (T6t7i)

265 250 239. Agreed, but why has the National Security Question never been brought up by the Right?
1. Terrorists, posing as migrants coming across Tijuana.
2. Chinese sees weakness in Cal?
3. Is all our military installations in that shithole state safe, and uncorrupted?
Posted by: Jonah at June 22, 2019 01:06 PM (HrSJb)
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This is why I don't want a weak (or seceded) California. There will be Chinese bases in no time.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 22, 2019 01:10 PM (kQs4Y)

266 Trump should fast-track a plan for two rallies: One in the Rose Bowl, the other at Santa Clara stadium. Fill those suckers up: 120,000 in the Rose Bowl, 70,000 in Santa Clara. I would guaran-damn-tee those venues would fill up, though of course the local governments (prodded, of course, by the state) would do everything in their power to prevent the events from happening. Let them try...it would be EPIC!

Posted by: Jonah Kyle at June 22, 2019 01:10 PM (SH7Tr)

267 Albanians have always been moving to Greece.
Posted by: RioBravo at June 22, 2019 01:09 PM (GNk5/)
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Italians tried it in 1941. It did not go well for them.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at June 22, 2019 01:10 PM (iB1oa)

268 Dennis Prager hasn't left, but says he has enough to pay for the exorbitant prices and inconvenient and says he stays mostly for the weather. And has said he would vote for independence just to save the rest of the country.

Posted by: Skip at June 22, 2019 01:10 PM (BbGew)

269 Obvious question: they why do the people of Oregon keep electing them?

Trump got a majority of the vote in Oregon - outside the county that Portland is in.

However, Portland votes with North Korean-levels of unanimity for the Democrats, which is enough to overcome the modest Republican majority elsewhere in the state.

Even with Portland, Oregon voters won't vote for higher taxes, which is why the legislature passes "emergency" bills to raise taxes.

The cap-and-trade proposal will utterly devastate the economy of rural Oregon, while recycling the money through crony capitalists in Portland.

Funny how that works out.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2019 01:11 PM (I2/tG)

270 Well first we kalifornians could fix these problems by importing more third world 75 IQ people, give them free college, free medical, free food, free housing, and tighten all regulation on energy production to the point of banning it. OH wait. That has already been done. I guess the only thing left is to ban everything, tax legal citizens 110% of their income and take away all freedom and liberty from them too.

Then we will get to the perfect socialist Utopia.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 22, 2019 01:11 PM (pw+jk)

271 Oceans are dreamy, mountains offer great vistas ... but it is easy to get caught up in those things being the "better things in life". Surrendering to the globalist cabal to have those things ... in many ways, is not doing our constitutional duty ...

WTF is a constitutional duty? The constitution is a leave me alone document.

If I could pull it off -- I can't, I'm moving in the opposite direction -- I'd live back in Massachusetts. They can elect whomever they want but there's nothing communist about the Cape Cod surf.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 22, 2019 01:12 PM (fuK7c)

272 OTOH, a few years ago, when there was an initiative to give illegals driver's licenses, it was thumpingly defeated at the polls, with 60% against.

So the drivers licenses for illegals bill in Oregon is now being passed as an "emergency" bill, to keep the voters from voting on it again.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2019 01:12 PM (I2/tG)

273 Well yeah I suppose nothing in life is guaranteed.

It's the difference between leaving when there's no immediate reason to think things aren't going well, and leaving because your house is on fire.
Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 01:07 PM (T6t7i)

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Or....maybe the doomsday scenario about CA won't actually happen. It's like China. I'be been hearing fro 10-15 years how China's economy is on the verge of total collapse. Could it happen? Sure. Anything can happen. Is it likely? No. And people shouldn't live in constant fear about shit like that. If you want to pay less tax, move out of Cali. Some people are either fine with paying taxes or the benefit they get from lower taxes is less than the benefit from living in CA.

This talk of the imminent demise of CA into a Mad Max type of place, is a lot like what the left was saying the day after the 2016 election.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 22, 2019 01:12 PM (FiUMj)

274 257 Did Peaches move back to California?
Posted by: slowdown at June 22, 2019 12:31 PM (E+yET)

I believe she did, but not sure.

Posted by: E. Stan Bull at June 22, 2019 01:07 PM (B+t5k)

Wherever she is she moved away from here.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 01:13 PM (nuOac)

275 The big thing that hasn't been mentioned is the ENORMOUS public pension debt that CA owes, but has no way of paying. They will come to the Feds with their hands out, of course, and depending on who has power, will get it or not. If not, I predict a very bad moon arising.

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 01:13 PM (T6t7i)

276 Many Adult Children live in California, and cannot leave their aging parents, who will never leave.
Same in Illinois, Ny etc... Trapped by guilt

Posted by: Jonah at June 22, 2019 01:13 PM (HrSJb)

277 This talk of the imminent demise of CA into a Mad Max type of place, is a lot like what the left was saying the day after the 2016 election.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 22, 2019 01:12 PM (FiUMj)

CA is a Mad Max type of place. We're talking about what degree it is and events of its inevitable incremental increase.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 01:15 PM (nuOac)

278 would do everything in their power to prevent the events from happening.

Not just the state and local governments.

We've already established the legal principle that we can brain conservatives with a bike lock, and get a slap on the wrist.

Posted by: California Antifa at June 22, 2019 01:15 PM (I2/tG)

279 Or more accurately, leaving because the houses down the street are on fire and it's moving your way.
Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 01:10 PM (T6t7i)
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that would be my wife and I.

We live in Bakersfield, CA, which was an island of conservatism in the middle of an ocean of progressive stupidity.

Unfortunately, the ocean has slowly eroded the island. Progressives have moved here, because they understand that 300K for a house

My wife is on board with moving to ID and we're setting plans in motion. Hope to be gone in a year, God willing.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 22, 2019 01:15 PM (WEBkv)

280 This talk of the imminent demise of CA into a Mad
Max type of place, is a lot like what the left was saying the day after
the 2016 election.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker

See my @275. As to the Chinese, they're plenty worried about societal instability, but since they're, you know, dictators, they have tools unavailable to CA. For now.

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 01:15 PM (T6t7i)

281 273. Lurk, what happens is every time Dem wins the White House they bail out California. Obama and 8 years of handouts to Sacramento, saved their ass during the Obama dismal economy

Posted by: Jonah at June 22, 2019 01:15 PM (HrSJb)

282 279. Good Luck. Idaho is terrific

Posted by: Jonah at June 22, 2019 01:16 PM (HrSJb)

283 This talk of the imminent demise of CA into a Mad Max type of place, is a lot like what the left was saying the day after the 2016 election.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 22, 2019 01:12 PM (FiUMj)

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the prospect of the power being turned off doesn't strike you as being somewhat Mad Max?

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 22, 2019 01:17 PM (WEBkv)

284 I've lived about 50/50 of my adult life in red/blue parts of the country. And for the most part, my life didn't really change that much moving from one to the other. Yeah I pay a bit more or a bit less in tax, but other than that, it's the same shit everywhere. Which makes things like weather, natural beauty a big deciding factor for people, given that 80-90% of your daily life will be the same anywhere you live.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 22, 2019 01:17 PM (FiUMj)

285 281
273. Lurk, what happens is every time Dem wins the White House they bail out California.

And?

Posted by: The UAW at June 22, 2019 01:17 PM (T6t7i)

286 This talk of the imminent demise of CA into a Mad Max type of place, is a lot like what the left was saying the day after the 2016 election.

Ernest Hemingway:

"How did you go bankrupt?"
Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly."

The decline of California will be gradual, until it stops being gradual.

Posted by: The ARC of History at June 22, 2019 01:18 PM (I2/tG)

287 Unfortunately, the ocean has slowly eroded the island. Progressives have moved here, because they understand that 300K for a house
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Well, the "less than" sign managed eat the rest of that sentence. Teach me.

Unfortunately, the ocean has slowly eroded the island. Progressives have moved here, because they understand that 300K for a house is less than 500K for a house and they can't seem to figure out why housing remains cheaper here.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 22, 2019 01:18 PM (WEBkv)

288 I'm a good 20 years older than Gavin Newsome, but I guarantee I would beat that fuck's head into the mire of his blood.

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at June 22, 2019 01:18 PM (FTPVM)

289 281 273. Lurk, what happens is every time Dem wins the White House they bail out California. Obama and 8 years of handouts to Sacramento, saved their ass during the Obama dismal economy
Posted by: Jonah at June 22, 2019 01:15 PM (HrSJb)

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I don't know the details so I can't comment. But OK, say that's true. Just kinda proves my point that the doomsday scenario won't happen. A Democrat will win the WH again some day and will save CA again, right?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 22, 2019 01:19 PM (FiUMj)

290 "Fortunately, there is a magical force field that
will keep the Hispanics from moving several hundred feet into the rich
neighborhood to loot it when social order collapses." Posted by: The ARC of History

it does seem odd that the elite are willing to sacrifice so much of America, assuming they can live in their own protected areas. There are certainly many exclusive zones of safety ... but even that erodes over time. Hard to tell if they have some end game plan to clean up the mess (War?, or The Plague?), or if they are just so intent on destroying "The West" that they don't care about the dystopian society they are building.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 22, 2019 01:19 PM (Cus5s)

291 I don't know the details so I can't comment. But OK,
say that's true. Just kinda proves my point that the doomsday scenario
won't happen. A Democrat will win the WH again some day and will save CA
again, right?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker

What if the implosion begins in earnest the day after a Trump is elected?

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 01:20 PM (T6t7i)

292 blake - used sock salesman ,

Which part of Idaho?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 22, 2019 01:22 PM (FiUMj)

293 A Democrat will win the WH again some day and will save CA again, right?

Obama wasn't able to arrest California's decline, just slow it.

Posted by: The ARC of History at June 22, 2019 01:22 PM (I2/tG)

294 Which part of Idaho?
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 22, 2019 01:22 PM (FiUMj)

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Twin Falls.

We were there earlier this year and my wife loved the town.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 22, 2019 01:23 PM (WEBkv)

295 >>>They will come to the Feds with their hands out, of course, and depending on who has power, will get it or not. If not, I predict a very bad moon arising.

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 01:13 PM (T6t7i)

This may not be a bad moon.
The crux of Democrat hold on the nation is big cities and big cities exist on Federal Money.

If that money were to be cut off and cities had to fund themselves the Republic would be saved.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 01:23 PM (nuOac)

296 Ready Kilowatt is dead.

He will be missed.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 22, 2019 01:23 PM (yQpMk)

297 Nice piece - thanks KT. I was born and raised in the area around Palo Alto / Stanford University. I recently did a 4 year stint in Wisconsin for work and coming back to California to me was a very sad experience. It's not just the traffic, taxes being #1 or #2 in every category and a state Government that doesn't give a shit, but just the general deterioration. I go to a Home Depot and there are literally at least 40 illegals waiting around to get work, with absolutely no worry about being here, all with drivers licenses, etc., but with no social connection to the US whatsoever. The cost in social programs to support all these people will be the final nail in the coffin for the state - and I'm so tired of hearing non-border state people opine on this issue. Anyway, we put our house up for sale and are pulling the ripcord. Let the elitist and the illegals have their feudal society. I'm out.

Posted by: Little Larry Sellers at June 22, 2019 01:24 PM (B2zSz)

298 Garden Nood is up

Posted by: Skip at June 22, 2019 01:24 PM (BbGew)

299 The big thing that hasn't been mentioned is the ENORMOUS public pension debt that CA owes, but has no way of paying.

It's only a trillion dollars (state and local governments in California).

I think that the game plan for a number of blue states is to wait for a Democrat to get elected, and then get the blue state pension bailout.

Of course, this will have to be done through executive order, since the Senate will never pass it.

Posted by: The ARC of History at June 22, 2019 01:25 PM (I2/tG)

300 Hard to tell if they have some end game plan to clean up the mess (War?, or The Plague?), or if they are just so intent on destroying "The West" that they don't care about the dystopian society they are building.

A masque is scheduled.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 22, 2019 01:25 PM (yQpMk)

301 The great irony of California's electricity situation from an envioronmental standpoint is that California has, as we all know, made a huge show of reducing CO2 production. But now, with the threat of intermittent outages, the logical move for everyone who's under the threat of an outage is to get a gas or diesel powered generator to keep the power on - that's what people do in 3rd world countries.
And with all of those gas and diesel portable generators running, which they will have to, California is now going to have the *dirtiest* possilble emissions profile of any State in the US.

Brilliant planning, guys. Brilliant.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 22, 2019 01:26 PM (KS7KL)

302 As the ratio of homeless to middle class inverts property values will plummet.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 01:08 PM (nuOac)

Yes. Their motive is not all altruistic.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at June 22, 2019 01:26 PM (Qyj93)

303 I go to a Home Depot

The most astonishing thing I read lately about California was that a number of homeless people had set up camp inside a Target in Long Beach, and the employees were avoiding looking at the homeless camped out in their store, since they couldn't do anything about it.

I assume that they got booted out at closing time, but that's real social deterioration.

Posted by: The ARC of History at June 22, 2019 01:28 PM (I2/tG)

304 I go to a Home Depot and there are literally at least 40 illegals waiting around to get work, with absolutely no worry about being here, all with drivers licenses, etc., but with no social connection to the US whatsoever.

Posted by: Little Larry Sellers at June 22, 2019 01:24 PM (B2zSz)

And here in LA / SFV, the local gov't said Home Depot had to construct a canopy/shadow cover to help protect them from the sun. I kid you not.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at June 22, 2019 01:29 PM (Qyj93)

305 23 My mom still calls them 'bums" (as distinguished from "hobos", who came from hard times and would work for food).

I hate that the non-contributing dregs of society are setting the baseline for everyone else.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at June 22, 2019 11:32 AM (kQs4Y)

I prefer "vagrants," for several reasons. First, because they ARE vagrants. Second, because "homeless" denies them agency, and implies that they lost their residences through no fault of their own, when in general that is most certainly NOT the case. I'd be interested to see how many of the "homeless" ever owned a house or occupied a rental in California, as opposed to moving here - homeless - from somewhere else.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 01:29 PM (heaSb)

306 Is he taking bribes this weekend? or is it a phone call from Obama , who has pictures

Posted by: Jonah

IIRC, his kids are now of legal age. Not much risk they'll be reclaimed.

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 01:04 PM (T6t7i)

Say there John, how about we watch some videos!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 22, 2019 01:30 PM (AZxMX)

307 Chem Jef had a pleasant manner and was somewhat erudite but I haven't missed him.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 01:30 PM (nuOac)

308 "WTF is a constitutional duty? The constitution is a leave me alone document"

I consider the Declaration of Independence part of the constitution ... it says it is our duty to maintain our liberty ... giving it up to enjoy the serf ... that is what the majority will do. It is usually the minority that makes the real change. ... and a smaller minority that are the tyrants and their 'elitists'.

It is our duty to throw off the DeepState mob that has gripped our government, and run it like a mafia. To just enjoy the serf as "Rome burns" ... sure, that is a normal response ... "they" are counting on that.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 22, 2019 01:31 PM (Cus5s)

309 And here in LA / SFV, the local gov't said Home Depot had to construct a canopy/shadow cover to help protect them from the sun. I kid you not.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at June 22, 2019 01:29 PM (Qyj93)

meet

153 Speaking of land and shit....SCOTUS decision yesterday said land owners can go directly to federal court to fight local restrictions on their land. Elena Kagan is super duper mad about this. Which means I am happy about it.

LOLGF liberals.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 22, 2019 12:22 PM (FiUMj)

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 22, 2019 01:31 PM (FiUMj)

310 But we banned plastic grocery bags and plastic straws!!!

This made many celebrities ecstatic. So we have that going for us.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 22, 2019 01:31 PM (pw+jk)

311 This talk of the imminent demise of CA into a Mad Max type of place, is a lot like what the left was saying the day after the 2016 election.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 22, 2019 01:12 PM (FiUMj)

Take a solo stroll in or around the tent cities (especially around sunset). Then come back and tell us about our opinion of what's happening.

Posted by: Sooner at June 22, 2019 01:31 PM (Fs5vw)

312 The most astonishing thing I read lately about California was that a number of ~~homeless people~~ vagrants had set up camp inside a Target in Long Beach, and the employees were avoiding looking at the ~~homeless~~ vagrants camped out in their store, since they couldn't do anything about it.

This is great news, as Target is a desperately liberal company headquartered in Minnesota, which is itself desperately liberal. I hope Target has LOTS of problems arising from the vagrants in its store, until they're forced to be adults.

And we really need to stamp out the usage "homeless," in favor of the more accurate "vagrants."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 01:32 PM (heaSb)

313 And with all of those gas and diesel portable generators running, which they will have to, California is now going to have the *dirtiest* possilble emissions profile of any State in the US.

You think we can't put a huge tax on diesel generators?

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More to the point, the various air resources boards in California have enormous power, untrammeled by democratic checks and balances. They can easily impose a $1,000 a day fee - er, fine, to make sure that only the truly rich can afford them.

Posted by: California State Government at June 22, 2019 01:32 PM (I2/tG)

314 Violets are grapel
Roses are red
Must be time for
the gardening thread

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=381856

Posted by: mindful webworker - click for vids blog at June 22, 2019 01:33 PM (/IMJl)

315 Take a solo stroll in or around the tent cities (especially around sunset). Then come back and tell us about our opinion of what's happening.
Posted by: Sooner at June 22, 2019 01:31 PM (Fs5vw)

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I would I ever take a stroll there? There are shitty parts of town everywhere. Doesn't mean I go there and take a stroll.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 22, 2019 01:34 PM (FiUMj)

316 Little Larry Sellers at June 22, 2019 01:24 PM

You mention traffic. Jerry Brown deliberately put highway construction and repair on the back burner in hopes of keeping people from moving to the state. That was before the illegal immigration welcome wagon campaign.

Posted by: KTbarthedoor at June 22, 2019 01:34 PM (BVQ+1)

317 And with all of those gas and diesel portable generators running,
which they will have to, California is now going to have the *dirtiest*
possilble emissions profile of any State in the US.

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Already have a big tax on generators. They must all be CARB (California Air Resources Board) compliant which makes them 20-25% more expensive. Even have special gas water heaters (low NOX) that cost about 50% more.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at June 22, 2019 01:35 PM (pw+jk)

318 More to the point, the various air resources boards in California have enormous power, untrammeled by democratic checks and balances. They can easily impose a $1,000 a day fee - er, fine, to make sure that only the truly rich can afford them.

Posted by: California State Government at June 22, 2019 01:32 PM (I2/tG)

Why it's almost like the Founders had an inkling of the abuse(s) of power that might occur when only the sovereign State is allowed to have arms!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at June 22, 2019 01:36 PM (AZxMX)

319 The great irony of California's electricity situation from an environmental standpoint is that California has, as we all know, made a huge show of reducing CO2 production.

But the thing is, that "reduction of CO2 production" is all bullshit. It was effected by shutting down CA power plants and buying electricity from other states.

So ... typical liberal hypocritical bullshit. California isn't releasing the deadly "pollutant" CO2. No. Other states are, on California's behalf.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 01:36 PM (heaSb)

320
Or....maybe the doomsday scenario about CA won't actually happen. It's like China. I'be been hearing fro 10-15 years how China's economy is on the verge of total collapse.

Similar to the predicted demise of social security.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 22, 2019 01:38 PM (aKsyK)

321 For long term use and fuel access they will be natural gas generators tied into the home gas system.

When electricity is turned off pumps at the gas station will cease to operate.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 01:39 PM (nuOac)

322 Idaho looks beautiful ... and I do consider just "selling out" and finding a smaller spot on a mountainside, with a view ... and good internet.

But I think some sort of massive financial "reset" is inevitable ... BigMoney is now all fiat, and government imo is the only reason markets hold together ... Greenspan said "sure, government could buy into the markets to stabilize them" 15 years back. Some reports are they have done that for tens of trillions ... which seems feasible from my perspective. Liberty is on the line ...

Posted by: illiniwek at June 22, 2019 01:40 PM (Cus5s)

323 >>Take a solo stroll in or around the tent cities (especially around sunset). Then come back and tell us about our opinion of what's happening.

Where are the 13 year old boys with Roman Candles? You ever seen how fast a tent city will go up in flames?

Posted by: garrett at June 22, 2019 01:41 PM (oUKHf)

324 I would I ever take a stroll there? There are shitty parts of town everywhere. Doesn't mean I go there and take a stroll.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 22, 2019 01:34 PM (FiUMj)

With respect, you don't understand the California problem. You don't have to go to the tent cities; they come to you. We live in the fifth richest city in California (per Wiki), and the vagrants are setting up shop here. In fact, two of them just murdered a local woman by breaking into her house and stabbing her 147 times. Underpasses now routinely feature dirtbags living under them.

We only wish the vagrants were localized in one place so we COULD avoid them. But it is common to find assholes wandering around pushing all of their earthly possessions before them in a stolen shopping cart. All. Over. Town.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 01:41 PM (heaSb)

325 New Jersey doesn't have the size, the natural beauty or the weather of (the good parts) of California, but the same thing is going to happen because Phil Murphy and the Democrats are bent on destroying the state by welcoming all and sundry illegal aliens and drug addicts in--and kicking the higher-earning , tax paying middle class out.....

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2019 01:41 PM (NFEMn)

326 A masque is scheduled.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 22, 2019 01:25 PM (yQpMk)

A Mass is needed. Many, many Masses.

Posted by: Fox2! at June 22, 2019 01:42 PM (MwFQu)

327 Where are the 13 year old boys with Roman Candles? You ever seen how fast a tent city will go up in flames?

Posted by: garrett at June 22, 2019 01:41 PM (oUKHf)

My preferred solution: bring out the fire department's tanker trucks and cruise down the street, hosing down the tent cities. Repeat once a week.

That'd deal with the crap, the dirt, and the vagrants, all at once and in a non-lethal way.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 01:43 PM (heaSb)

328 A masque is scheduled.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 22, 2019 01:25 PM (yQpMk)

A Mass in a Mosque?

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2019 01:44 PM (NFEMn)

329 New Jersey doesn't have the size, the natural beauty or the weather of (the good parts) of California,

The weather is a big problem in this connection. It's perfectly possible to sleep rough all year around in coastal California. Mid-winter it's maybe 50 F, with a few rainstorms per year. BFD.

Of course, the problem is compounded by the liberals' "compassion," which provides all sorts of free programs for vagrants, who yet inexplicably continue coming.

I've literally heard people bleat, "Why do we have all these 'homeless,' (as they call them), when we have all these programs for them?"

I look at them the way people used to look at Ted Koppel's hair.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 01:46 PM (heaSb)

330 VDH finally gave up on farming last year; his family has farmed on their CA land for 4-5 generations, but no more. The costs, regulations, and thefts made it a losing proposition.

Venezuela didn't fall apart overnight either. Under socialist rule, it was gradual then sudden. It took about 20 years to totally trash the place.

CA can't go full socialist, but it ain't from lack of trying.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 22, 2019 01:47 PM (Z4rgH)

331 >>My preferred solution: bring out the fire department's tanker trucks and cruise down the street, hosing down the tent cities. Repeat once a week.

I could tell you stories.
Newark, NJ...
4th Floor Fire Hose...
Hobo Shuffleboard.

Posted by: garrett at June 22, 2019 01:48 PM (oUKHf)

332 Some reports are they have done that for tens of trillions ... which seems feasible from my perspective. Liberty is on the line ...

Posted by: illiniwek at June 22, 2019 01:40 PM (Cus5s)
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A friend, who is better at math than I, said
Obama dumped $50 billion a month every month of his presidency.

It didn't come to us it when his projects, banks and Obamaphones.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 01:48 PM (nuOac)

333 Will have to read the City Paper piece - one of the only remaining publications of value - but does it mention the wee little role played by ..... the voters, the people enabling/demanding/tolerating the various idiocies in CA? A state not shy about using the initiative process*, especially, continuously "makes its own bed".

Blacking out power grids the only way to reduce wildfire risk? Really? On its face, it sounds ridiculous. It sounds merely like the easiest, cleanest way to reduce utility legal exposure [which I don't get anyway, outside acts of gross negligence]. And note the lysenkoist nonsense of "increasing extreme weather" - WTF? Even by the statistically meaningless history of actual records - just over a century and a half - there's no big trend of any kind, much less "extreme". This is a great example of the disastrous dumbing down of America amidst the Gleichschaltung that includes lysenkoist fake science "environmentalism".

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2019 01:48 PM (QDnY+)

334
I would I ever take a stroll there? There are shitty parts of town everywhere. Doesn't mean I go there and take a stroll.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at June 22, 2019 01:34 PM (FiUMj)

Of course. Even here in OKC we have bad parts of town. But even those are becoming smaller, not larger. We don't have piles of garbage and rat infestations in our downtown. We don't have tent cities springing up on any unoccupied spaces. Most of our parks are still safe after dark. We have laws to prevent people from sleeping on the sidewalks (and they are enforced). Illegal drugs are still, you know, illegal.

You need to get out more.

Posted by: Sooner at June 22, 2019 01:50 PM (Fs5vw)

335 320 Maybe the doomsday scenario won't happen

Spoken like a non-resident. I assure you, I'm in the middle of what is the most feudal area of the country. The richest people of the country surrounded by homeless and illegals (who live 2-4 families in one unit) that wipe the asses of the wealthy. Ultimately it will lead to property values crashing and that is the kill shot since the entire state and local governments rely on property taxes to keep the spending spree going.

Posted by: Little Larry Sellers at June 22, 2019 01:51 PM (B2zSz)

336 113 BTW

We are 5 full months into FL's new law re: felon's registering to vote.

The GOP has a small net gain over Dems during that time period.
Posted by: HA at June 22, 2019 12:05 PM (MAstk)

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Late in the thread to respond to this, but I suspect the low hanging fruit as far as felons are concerned was harvested a long time ago, i.e. they've been registered and voting (illegally) for some time. What's left are the normal fifty percent of the population that normally doesn't vote plus the portion that actually follows the law and doesn't want to risk their parole. I can see this group being split more or less evenly between the 2 parties.

Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2019 01:51 PM (MffEX)

337 Blacking out power grids the only way to reduce wildfire risk? Really? On its face, it sounds ridiculous. It sounds merely like the easiest, cleanest way to reduce utility legal exposure [which I don't get anyway, outside acts of gross negligence]. And note the lysenkoist nonsense of "increasing extreme weather" - WTF? Even by the statistically meaningless history of actual records - just over a century and a half - there's no big trend of any kind, much less "extreme". This is a great example of the disastrous dumbing down of America amidst the Gleichschaltung that includes lysenkoist fake science "environmentalism".
Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2019 01:48 PM (QDnY+)
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PG&E knew they were going to get blamed, because communists always find a scapegoat for their stupidity.

This is PG&E's way of putting up the middle finger to Sacramento and letting the legislature know they can either let PG&E clear brush along the power line right of way or get used to blackouts during the heat of the summer.

It's going to be an interesting summer, to say the least.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 22, 2019 01:52 PM (WEBkv)

338 Couple thing immediately come to mind about this "de-energization" nonsense:
1: Wouldn't have so large of a fire threat if the left wold allow proper forest maintenance.
2: Preemptively Shutting off large portions of a power grid is a recipe for disaster and here's why. When the grid goes off and 99% of everything connected to it doesn't get manually turned off in the mean time, when that portion of the grid comes back on its going to instantly degrade the power distribution chain because of the HUUUUUUGE current surge. Conductor and insulators will degrade every single time this occurs and will increase the risk of future failure and flash over fire at lower voltages.
For a state that is all about science, they sure do know how to fuck every bit of it up.
What a sad waste of a beautiful portion of our country.

Posted by: Getcha Pull at June 22, 2019 01:52 PM (aR6C/)

339 Why do all my posts have the paragraph spacing removed? WTFF?

Posted by: Getcha Pull at June 22, 2019 01:53 PM (aR6C/)

340 We live in the fifth richest city in California (per Wiki), and the vagrants are setting up shop here.

I live in a suburb of Portland in a suburban county, whose primary attraction is that it is Not Portland.

A few weeks ago, coincident with the annual influx of vagrants from California, panhandlers suddenly appeared in front of all the major stores in town, which previously had no panhandlers. This is step #1 on the slide into urban decline, obviously.

This occasioned a lot of talk, and the panhandlers then disappeared. I suspect that the county sheriff had a chat with the panhandlers, to explain that this was the wrong town to panhandle in.

So, we've returned to the status quo, until the ACLU of Oregon finds out about this.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2019 01:53 PM (I2/tG)

341 Or....maybe the doomsday scenario about CA won't actually happen. It's like China. I'be been hearing fro 10-15 years how China's economy is on the verge of total collapse.

Similar to the predicted demise of social security.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 22, 2019 01:38 PM (aKsyK)

Yup......the "Debt" Bomb needs a new fuse/timer.

Meanwhile, the commies keep spending and buying votes with their play monopoly money.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 22, 2019 01:54 PM (Z+IKu)

342 The Peoples Repubic of New Jersey is soon ( like Leftifornia has no Republicans to stop them) going to ban plastic bags and straws too.

Posted by: Skip at June 22, 2019 01:55 PM (BbGew)

343 Or....maybe the doomsday scenario about CA won't actually happen. It's like China. I've been hearing for 10-15 years how China's economy is on the verge of total collapse.

Similar to the predicted demise of social security.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 22, 2019 01:38 PM (aKsyK)

Of course it will happen. All three will happen eventually, unless corrective action is taken. Consider all of the companies that were once world-beaters and now are gone.

It's a mistake to expect catastrophes to happen on schedule. It's like predicting when an avalanche or earthquake will happen. Then one day, some little thing starts the ball rolling, and it's on. Consider the fall of, e.g., the USSR, the Ceausceaus, or Enron in this connection.

Don't fall prey to the fallacy of the linear extrapolation, the expectation that tomorrow will look like today and the day before, perhaps with a small regular incremental change. History takes place at the discontinuities. Yesterday something looked rock-solid. Today, it's gone.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 01:56 PM (heaSb)

344 A lot of the focus on costs ignores that excess demand is a major driver, and is only exacerbated, not caused, by regulation. *That* part of the CA housing situation is not 1OO% artificial, a result of misgovernance. Unlike the environmental and "green energy" idiocy.

Or, as KT noted, select infrastructure moves, including the water system, which was stopped well short of the plan.

NoVa saw insane housing price spikes beginning the early 2OOOs, due to Federal Leviathan becoming the enormous money pit it has become. Not really a regulatory artifact, a "market" artifact [tho the "market" was largely just $$ vacuumed up from the country and dumped on the DC area].

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2019 01:56 PM (QDnY+)

345 328 A masque is scheduled.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 22, 2019 01:25 PM (yQpMk)

A Mass in a Mosque?
Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2019 01:44 PM (NFEMn)

More like a Red Masque.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ The_Masque_of_the_Red_Death

As always, omit spaces

Posted by: Fox2! at June 22, 2019 01:57 PM (MwFQu)

346 Test
Test
Test

Posted by: Getcha Pull at June 22, 2019 01:58 PM (aR6C/)

347 This occasioned a lot of talk, and the panhandlers then disappeared. I suspect that the county sheriff had a chat with the panhandlers, to explain that this was the wrong town to panhandle in.

So, we've returned to the status quo, until the ACLU of Oregon finds out about this.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2019 01:53 PM (I2/tG)

Then God love the county sheriff. The problem here is that while population (and law enforcement) in the hinterlands is conservative, that in the coastal areas is desperately liberal, and of course the coastal areas are where the vagrants congregate. (As opposed to the hinterlands, where summers are regularly > 100 F).

Coastal politicians whinny about "compassion," to appeal to the retarded liberals who infest the coastal areas, apparently not realizing that that is the source of the phenomenon.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 02:00 PM (heaSb)

348 They all must go back if our country has a chance in hell of surviving by 2030.

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 22, 2019 02:02 PM (72spU)

349 When the grid goes off and 99% of everything connected to it doesn't get manually turned off in the mean time, when that portion of the grid comes back on its going to instantly degrade the power distribution chain because of the HUUUUUUGE current surge. Conductor and insulators will degrade every single time this occurs and will increase the risk of future failure and flash over fire at lower voltages.
For a state that is all about science, they sure do know how to fuck every bit of it up.

Posted by: Getcha Pull at June 22, 2019 01:52 PM (aR6C/)

Yep. I've thought about that, too, but probably no one in Sacramento has realized that.

As for being all about science, see, e.g., the recent fiasco re Roundup. RUN!! It's the killer herbicide! Let's all pool our ignorance of chemistry and freak each other out!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 02:03 PM (heaSb)

350 Then God love the county sheriff.

There is a homeless camp on a bike path in Portland that literally ends right at the county line.

South of that line, the laws are enforced. North of that line, they are not.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2019 02:04 PM (I2/tG)

351 he Peoples Repubic of New Jersey is soon ( like Leftifornia has no Republicans to stop them) going to ban plastic bags and straws too.
Posted by: Skip at June 22, 2019 01:55 PM (BbGew)

Liberals and the people who vote for them are so utterly stupid, short-sighted and clueless. And unlike in the past, NJ has no real Republican party to at least keep them in check.
They have succeeded in making "Republican" such a dirty word that massive parts of the state won't even consider voting for one.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2019 02:04 PM (NFEMn)

352 342 The Peoples Repubic of New Jersey is soon ( like Leftifornia has no Republicans to stop them) going to ban plastic bags and straws too.
Posted by: Skip at June 22, 2019 01:55 PM (BbGew)

This is one of the drivers. Some idiot liberal (pardon the pleonasm) comes up with his cause du jour and proposes a law (which should be named the "Look at Me Act"). The other idiot liberals elsewhere see this, and not to be outdone, adopt the same law.

It's kind of the liberal equivalent of comparing johnsons in the shower, as near as I can tell.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 02:05 PM (heaSb)

353 blake - interesting. I always assume any more that every corporate move is rent-seeking or cowardly irresponsible submission to Gleichschaltung, and not a "move" in an ongoing game.

And much like "civil war", I don't assign a very high % to instant or rapid collapse in CA. Dynamic responses tend to prevent this. Long slow descent into idiocy, just like the last 3O years, seems more likely.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2019 02:05 PM (QDnY+)

354 Y'all realize we got a preview during the SCOAMT's reign of what leftist philosophy will do to cities that allow this to happen.

It was called Occupy Wall Street.

Posted by: Sooner at June 22, 2019 02:06 PM (Fs5vw)

355 82 Seriously, all that is required is that all (second class) Californians cease doing anything requiring electric power after dark, because it really is best for the environment!

It's during the DAY that the wildfire problem arises. The Santa Ana winds (hot, dry, gusty winds off the desert) typically abate at night.

So the solution is that Californians cease doing anything requiring electricity. At. All.

In unrelated news, California is mandating that all vehicles be electric by next week.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 02:08 PM (heaSb)

356 Then God love the county sheriff.

There was considerable discussion on Nextdoor about the panhandlers.

You did get a few bleeding hearts who expressed "compassion" (a vagrant couple was using their kids as panhandling props in one instance), but most people figured out that if you want to become Portland, tolerating panhandlers is the first step in becoming Portland.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2019 02:08 PM (I2/tG)

357 I think the existence of Trump has made liberal politicians and their loyal voters go full-throttle, pedal to the metal insane, aiming for a brick wall.

Maybe they expect the Feds to bail them out at some point.

But if insane liberal states are going to ever turn the tide, it's going to have to come from the Left--and that just ain't gonna happen.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2019 02:10 PM (NFEMn)

358 There is a homeless camp on a bike path in Portland that literally ends right at the county line.

South of that line, the laws are enforced. North of that line, they are not.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2019 02:04 PM (I2/tG)

Here ya go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45qSj4_DVxs

This is right outside of Angel Stadium, in Orange County, since (temporarily) cleaned up.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 02:11 PM (heaSb)

359 #137 liberals championed closing California nuthouses. Gov. Reagan signed the bill...I guess to "save money". Next California started building prisons. Contractors liked that. And so did Don Novey's California Correctional Peace Officer's Association. With $100 month dues CCPOA got $100k year pay. With OT out of the state legislature....some reach $250000.

Willie Brown, when he wasn't banging Kamela....took lots of CCPOA $$$.

Posted by: torabora at June 22, 2019 02:12 PM (38L6+)

360 It's during the DAY that the wildfire problem arises. The Santa Ana winds (hot, dry, gusty winds off the desert) typically abate at night.

But the long-term problem is not wildfires, it's California's increasing dependance on solar power. At some point, using significant amounts of electricity at night will be the privilege of the rich - everyone else will have to organize their lives around making sure that anything they do that uses a significant amount of electricity is done during the daytime.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2019 02:13 PM (I2/tG)

361 #6 FAB plants just need a gas turbine emergency genset.

Posted by: torabora at June 22, 2019 02:14 PM (38L6+)

362 I think the "Civil War" that a lot of people here are always predicting will be--if it does happen--localized and most likely happen in California. The state is too big a unwieldy.
It's like Tsarist Russia.

Something is gonna give at some point.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2019 02:16 PM (NFEMn)

363 As for being all about science, see, e.g., the recent fiasco re Roundup. RUN!! It's the killer herbicide! Let's all pool our ignorance of chemistry and freak each other out!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 02:03 PM (heaSb)

My suspicion that it was all a game for the benefit of the lawyers was confirmed when I saw RFKjr shilling for Morgan and Morgan, looking for victims plaintiffs.

Morgan and Morgan. For the People.

(Morgan and Morgan is a democrat affiliated ~~law~~ firm of shysters in Florida. It's where Charlie Crist hangs his shingle when he's not running for office)

Posted by: Fox2! at June 22, 2019 02:18 PM (MwFQu)

364 The CA GOP owes much if not all of its decline to its own cowardice and social compliance [think national GOP as usurped by Trump after years of its similar behavior]. Even non-stupid "liberal" or ex-lib voters who don't like much of what's going on have nobody to vote for.

The current mayor of San Diego is a perfect example. Again this week, he goes out of his way to distance himself from Trump on border security - a particularly loathsome bit of behavior, as the city has had border barriers for decades, and would be a disaster zone without them. He's probably the last "Republican" mayor of the city - the last major coastal city in the country to lose even a trace of sanity.

A very illuminating episode - the local sheriff is a notorious clubby a**hole, and had a virtual "will not issue" policy on concealed carry. Last cycle, he had a challenger [a Dem!] who made "shall issue" his signature campaign issue. The sheriff magically altered his long-standing policy. Voila. Representative govt. as it is supposed to work.

But one rarely if ever hears direct challenges to the all-encompassing idiocy that dominates every major public policy issue. A sane, informed voter rarely even has anything or anyone to vote for. I wonder about the % of former GOP voters who simply don't vote any more.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2019 02:18 PM (QDnY+)

365 And much like "civil war", I don't assign a very high % to instant or rapid collapse in CA. Dynamic responses tend to prevent this. Long slow descent into idiocy, just like the last 30 years, seems more likely.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2019 02:05 PM (QDnY+)

With respect, I disagree. The long slow descent is the linear part. Then comes the cliff, the discontinuity.

What would the discontinuity look like? A financial downturn that blows a hole in California's ability to service debt, resulting in lenders putting away their checkbooks. Bam. That'll do it. Deep, swingeing cuts in ... everything, starting of course in the time-honored fashion with cuts in law enforcement and fire protection.

What would trigger such a downturn? How about a severe national economic downturn? (Much of California's budget is funded by capital gains taxes, which are of course acutely sensitive to short-term economic trends.)

How about a few tech giants decide to decamp to, e.g., Texas, and take their employees and their tax revenues with them? Or there is a mass flight of the uber-wealthy to tax-haven states? Are the wetbacks going to take up the slack? Uh ... no.

California's vulnerable to black swan events because the tax base is disturbingly narrow. The departure of a relatively small number of people/companies will suffice to blow a hole in California's finances.

I suspect it's only a matter of time.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 02:20 PM (heaSb)

366 It's the difference between leaving when there's no immediate reason to think things aren't going well, and leaving because your house is on fire.
Posted by: pep
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The Secret to a Long Life is Knowing When It's Time To Go - Michelle Shocked

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 22, 2019 02:23 PM (U7Mh9)

367 ~~victims~~ plaintiffs

Posted by: Fox2! at June 22, 2019 02:23 PM (MwFQu)

368 The current mayor of San Diego is a perfect example. Again this week, he goes out of his way to distance himself from Trump on border security - a particularly loathsome bit of behavior, as the city has had border barriers for decades, and would be a disaster zone without them. He's probably the last "Republican" mayor of the city - the last major coastal city in the country to lose even a trace of sanity.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2019 02:18 PM (QDnY+)

Agreed, 100%. One of the Guevara spawn worked for the Faulconer campaign, but Faulconer is now a bent reed.

I saw a map of where recent SD arrivals came from, and it turns out that a substantial proportion have come from ... the Bay Area. Or rather, I should say, by way of the Bay Area, typically from somewhere else.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 02:24 PM (heaSb)

369 My suspicion that it was all a game for the benefit of the lawyers was confirmed when I saw RFKjr shilling for Morgan and Morgan, looking for victims plaintiffs.

Morgan and Morgan. For the People.

(Morgan and Morgan is a democrat affiliated law firm of shysters in Florida. It's where Charlie Crist hangs his shingle when he's not running for office)
Posted by: Fox2! at June 22, 2019 02:18 PM (MwFQu)

Sure. But their scam wouldn't work without retarded jurors buying their rubbish.

Also, please don't mention Charlie Crist and hanging in the same sentence. It just get my hopes up.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 02:25 PM (heaSb)

370 Oh, I'm well aware of the idiotic pin-head balance that are CA "finances" [used to note here that the equivalent of the CBO in CA assessed a few years ago that the departure of just 5K households - in a state of 33 MILLION or so people - accounted for HALF of the state deficit - unbelievable fiscal fragility].

I just think that dynamic responses to decline will slow/soften things quite a bit. Despite the sad similarities, even CA is not Venezuela or other places like that when it comes to fundamentals, and too much value in too much of CA for it to be just dumped by markets that are part of America.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2019 02:27 PM (QDnY+)

371 How about a few tech giants decide to decamp to, e.g., Texas, and take their employees and their tax revenues with them? Or there is a mass flight of the uber-wealthy to tax-haven states? Are the wetbacks going to take up the slack? Uh ... no.

Is it NJ or CT that could see the impact of one high income resident decamping for points south (and state income tax free) on the state budget? I seem to recall that one guy (and his hedge fund) moving to Florida cut tax collections by several per cent a few years back.

Posted by: Fox2! at June 22, 2019 02:27 PM (MwFQu)

372 California's vulnerable to black swan events because the tax base is disturbingly narrow.

That is the issue. Interestingly, there is an economist in Israel who says that Israel has the same problem - that all of Israel's technological achievements - in biotech, Iron Dome, moon lander, etc. are being done by about 200,000 Israelis. The rest of Israel has levels of productivity that look a lot more like the Middle East.

And the problem is that that small slice of techie Israelis are increasingly emigrating - cost of living, taxes, security issues, whatever.

This middle-aged economist got a Ph.D. at the University of Chicago, and retuned to Israel. This is apparently a lot less common among younger Israelis.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2019 02:28 PM (I2/tG)

373 The Secret to a Long Life is Knowing When It's Time To Go - Michelle Shocked

IOW, you've got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em?

Posted by: Kenny R. at June 22, 2019 02:29 PM (T6t7i)

374 The prosperous conservatives in Cali will eventually sell out and vacate. THEN, the shit hits the fan.

Posted by: JAS at June 22, 2019 02:29 PM (I5SAg)

375 >>>Here ya go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45qSj4_DVxs

This is right outside of Angel Stadium, in Orange County, since (temporarily) cleaned up.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 02:11 PM (heaSb)
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Incredible.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 02:30 PM (nuOac)

376
I saw a map of where recent SD arrivals came from, and it turns out that a substantial proportion have come from ... the Bay Area. Or rather, I should say, by way of the Bay Area, typically from somewhere else.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 02:24 PM (heaSb)

Peter Thiel just fled the Silicon Valley for Los Angeles.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 22, 2019 02:30 PM (TAmPV)

377 I am obliged to leave the decision of "when it's time to go" to the Almighty. Last thing I want to do is piss him off my killing myself.

Posted by: JAS at June 22, 2019 02:31 PM (I5SAg)

378 This makes me sad. I have cousins in Kern County. Their parents settled there after WWII.

From what I've gleaned from entertainment media -- particularly "Perry Mason" -- the state was a wonderful place to be in the 1950s. There were fortunes waiting to be had -- in aviation/aircraft, shipping, petroleum, produce, real estate -- and, of course, Hollywood.

Then it all fell to hell, for several reasons. I recall my uncle badmouthing school integration.

My cousins and their descendants still live there. I feel sorry for them. I understand the youngest plans to retire to a Kansas farm near where his parents grew up. The others will probably stay in California and endure the rot.

Damn all lefty leeches!

Shit, I'm going to skip the links and just watch the videos.

Posted by: Weak Geek at June 22, 2019 02:33 PM (M5h3L)

379 #137 liberals championed closing California nuthouses. Gov. Reagan signed the bill...I guess to "save money".

We MUST stamp out this meme about Reagan and closing nuthouses to save money. The liberals push this to lay off the problem on Reagan, who was not at fault at all, and to deflect blame from the failure of their "treatment in the community" horseshit.

The problem is the 1975 Supreme Court decision in O'Connor v. Donaldson that declared it un-Constitutional to institutionalize people involuntarily without meeting rigorous (and very high) standards (imminent threat to himself or others).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ O%27Connor_v._Donaldson

THAT'S what turned the nutjobs loose, in response to which many nuthouses closed for lack of need. (My girlfriend of the time - a psychiatric nurse - lost her job when this happened.)

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 02:33 PM (heaSb)

380 I just think that dynamic responses to decline will slow/soften things quite a bit.

It depends on whether California can continue to provide acceptable services to the tiny slice of people who pay most of California's taxes.

That is going to be a problem, given the ever-increasing demands of the public employees unions and low-income Californians.

But yeah, I think the next recession is when TSHTF for California.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2019 02:34 PM (I2/tG)

381 WZ: Trump to sign EO that gives complete transparency to medical costs.

Posted by: Sooner at June 22, 2019 02:34 PM (Fs5vw)

382 Incredible.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 02:30 PM (nuOac)

Yeah, it is, isn't it? And Orange County is traditionally a pretty tony area. Taking the train past that area is truly an eye-opener.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 02:35 PM (heaSb)

383 >>>How about a few tech giants decide to decamp to, e.g., Texas, and take their employees and their tax revenues with them? Or there is a mass flight of the uber-wealthy to tax-haven states? Are the wetbacks going to take up the slack? Uh ... no.

California's vulnerable to black swan events because the tax base is disturbingly narrow. The departure of a relatively small number of people/companies will suffice to blow a hole in California's finances.

I suspect it's only a matter of time.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 02:20 PM (heaSb)

Bing: high tech moving to reno nv

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 02:37 PM (nuOac)

384 Taking the train past that area is truly an eye-opener.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

I imagine it's also a nose-closer.

Posted by: Kenny R. at June 22, 2019 02:37 PM (T6t7i)

385 pep = Kenny R.

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 02:38 PM (T6t7i)

386 But yeah, I think the next recession is when TSHTF for California.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 22, 2019 02:34 PM (I2/tG)

California already had a bout of fiscal shortfall, during which it "paid" state employees with IOUs. (I'm not making this up.) Banks refused to honor the IOUs, as did vendors to the state, who demanded cash on the barrel head.

This is a preview of coming attractions.

Jerry Brown "fixed" the budget shortfall by pushing liabilities off the state's balance sheet and onto those of local governments. But that act of accounting legerdemain just shifted the problem without solving it, and won't do a thing for the state's solvency.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 02:39 PM (heaSb)

387
Bing: high tech moving to reno nv

Posted by: Braenyard]

I read recently that two VA universities (George Mason and Va. Tech) are investing a total of $1.25B in high tech education for the DC area. I don't think that's a coincidence.

Posted by: pep at June 22, 2019 02:39 PM (T6t7i)

388 I imagine it's also a nose-closer.
Posted by: Kenny R. at June 22, 2019 02:37 PM (T6t7i)

Fortunately, the windows on the train don't open.

Now spare a thought for the homeowners who live a few dozen yards away. Can they sell their houses and move away? I doubt it. Not with group W camped right at their property line. Who the hell would buy such a house?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 02:41 PM (heaSb)

389 California's vulnerable to black swan events because the tax base is disturbingly narrow. The departure of a relatively small number of people/companies will suffice to blow a hole in California's finances.

I suspect it's only a matter of time.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 02:20 PM (heaSb)

Bing: high tech moving to reno nv
Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 02:37 PM (nuOac)

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The reason companies still sell crap in CA is due to the extremely large market.

However, at some point, I can see a CFO looking at the bottom line and realizing they can dump the CA market and improve their profit margins while not having to deal with CA employees.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 22, 2019 02:43 PM (WEBkv)

390 Bing: high tech moving to reno nv
Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 02:37 PM (nuOac)

Here's the psychological basis of the problem: too many people lack the requisite intelligence to imagine how things could become qualitatively different in California. They think that no matter what they do, it'll always be wonderful, and so they feel no constraints on their stupidity.

An acquaintance once pooh-poohed prognostications of California's downfall by saying, "We'll always have the sun and the beach."

I replied, "Oh, you mean like Baja?"

Crickets.

California liberals have not taken to heart that in the 1950s Detroit was the wealthiest city in America, and now is bulldozing houses that no one will buy even for $1, as wild animals start retaking parts of the former city.

It IS possible to kill the goose laying the golden eggs, even in the Golden State. And we're on course to do exactly that. If only someone had foreseen that ...

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 02:48 PM (heaSb)

391 Also, please don't mention Charlie Crist and hanging in the same sentence. It just get my hopes up.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 02:25 PM (heaSb)

That qualifies as an unrequited hope on my part, as well. And I've been out of Florida for a while.

Now if we can just keep Judge Roy from screwing things up again here in AL this time around. ...

Posted by: Fox2! at June 22, 2019 02:48 PM (MwFQu)

392 Here ya go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45qSj4_DVxs
This is right outside of Angel Stadium, in Orange County, since (temporarily) cleaned up.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 02:11 PM (heaSb)
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Incredible.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 02:30 PM (nuOac)

California dreaming.....

Nice tents!.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 22, 2019 02:50 PM (Z+IKu)

393 However, at some point, I can see a CFO looking at the bottom line and realizing they can dump the CA market and improve their profit margins while not having to deal with CA employees.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 22, 2019 02:43 PM (WEBkv)

And California taxes, and regulations - both of which are notoriously onerous - and anti-business attitude, horrendous traffic, and rapacious tort lawyers. At some point the aggravation factor > sunshine.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 02:51 PM (heaSb)

394 "We'll always have the sun and the beach."

It's true!

Posted by: Somalia at June 22, 2019 02:53 PM (I2/tG)

395

Haiti has sun and a beach.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 22, 2019 02:54 PM (aKsyK)

396 Here ya go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45qSj4_DVxs
This is right outside of Angel Stadium, in Orange County, since (temporarily) cleaned up.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 02:11 PM (heaSb)
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Incredible.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 02:30 PM (nuOac)

Btw, I don't know if you noticed it, but that small red "A" shaped thing on the right background is the "A" of Angel Stadium.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 02:55 PM (heaSb)

397 "We'll always have the sun and the beach."

It's true!
Posted by: Somalia
--------

And ganja!

Posted by: Jamaica at June 22, 2019 02:56 PM (2kj6M)

398 We have sun, a beach, and a Mediterranean climate too!

Posted by: The Gaza Strip at June 22, 2019 02:58 PM (I2/tG)

399 Probably deadsville here now, but Trump to impose additional sanctions on Iran on Monday. Not sure what they will be - thought we had already fired with all barrels - maybe indirect or extended sanctions capturing more of the actors trying to work in the remaining gaps.

Of all the sad [yet typical] idiocy barfed up by Beltway commentators around the Iran/drone thing this week, the funniest was that Tehran would see Trump as weak or soft. Pretty good example of ridiculous "analysis" that ignores the entire context and reality of a situation.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2019 03:13 PM (QDnY+)

400 This is just preparation for large scale "Brownouts" and "Blackouts" which will happen not because (now it will) fires but because CA keeps closing coal production plants and now gets over 50% of its electricity from out of state. When the adjoining states hit peak electricity usage in their states, where will CA get the needed 50%? CA has lost its competitiveness with highest, real estate prices, highest gasoline prices, and now highest electricity prices. Products can no longer be made competitively in the state of CA.

Posted by: hstad at June 22, 2019 03:16 PM (uywSX)

401 >>> Products can no longer be made competitively in the state of CA.

Solar power will make production costs lower.

Sunshine is free!

Posted by: fluffy at June 22, 2019 03:19 PM (dCRRg)

402 Solar power will make production costs lower.

Sunshine is free!

Posted by: fluffy

Testify!

Posted by: Plants at June 22, 2019 03:23 PM (T6t7i)

403 Of all the sad [yet typical] idiocy barfed up by Beltway commentators around the Iran/drone thing this week, the funniest was that Tehran would see Trump as weak or soft. Pretty good example of ridiculous "analysis" that ignores the entire context and reality of a situation.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2019 03:13 PM (QDnY+)

The liberal MSM was having multiple orgasms last night on how Trump was a bungler, indecisive, cowardly, etc. for saying he stayed the military's hand in striking Iran.

Apparently they did not realize that another interpretation was that he was implicitly threatening Iran by implying that next time he might not stay the military's hand. He further said that killing 150 Iranians was "disproportionate" to the loss of an unmanned drone. But, of course, that implies that if Iran had done something more serious than shooting down an unmanned drone, maybe that WOULD justify whacking 150 Iranians.

Bottom line: they've been warned, and IMO, in a rather deft fashion.

(Btw, even TuCa got this wrong last night, methinks. Did Trump "reconsider" when he realized that an air strike might impede his re-election? I doubt it. I bet he knew that going in. I suspect the whole thing was simply performance art for the Iranians.)

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 03:26 PM (heaSb)

404 Bottom line: they've been warned, and IMO, in a rather deft fashion.

(Btw, even TuCa got this wrong last night, methinks. Did Trump "reconsider" when he realized that an air strike might impede his re-election? I doubt it. I bet he knew that going in. I suspect the whole thing was simply performance art for the Iranians.)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 03:26 PM (heaSb)

I'm still conflicted over this. Waiting to see what happens next.

Oh. And fuck "proportionate response".

Posted by: Sooner at June 22, 2019 03:44 PM (Fs5vw)

405 I'm still conflicted over this. Waiting to see what happens next.

Oh. And fuck "proportionate response".
Posted by: Sooner at June 22, 2019 03:44 PM (Fs5vw)

I'm with you, on both counts. I'm not chiseling my take into stone, but rather just pointing out that the facts to hand admit of other interpretations. Also, on balance, my interpretation above comports well with what Trump has done so far in keeping his enemies off balance, whereas the liberals' take - imputing weakness, vacillation, indecisiveness, short-sightedness, and cowardice to Trump - does NOT comport well with what I've seen of Trump.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 03:48 PM (heaSb)

406 Apparently they did not realize that another interpretation was that he was implicitly threatening Iran by implying that next time he might not stay the military's hand. He further said that killing 150 Iranians was "disproportionate" to the loss of an unmanned drone. But, of course, that implies that if Iran had done something more serious than shooting down an unmanned drone, maybe that WOULD justify whacking 150 Iranians.

Bottom line: they've been warned, and IMO, in a rather deft fashion.

(Btw, even TuCa got this wrong last night, methinks. Did Trump "reconsider" when he realized that an air strike might impede his re-election? I doubt it. I bet he knew that going in. I suspect the whole thing was simply performance art for the Iranians.)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 03:26 PM (heaSb)

Exactly.
Likewise, the previous day when Trump tweeted , simply, " Iran Made a BIG Mistake!", it never occurred to our betters that Trump either KNEW--because Iran frantically got the word out that a minion acted without permission--or he was giving them that out as a way to diffuse the situation--with the built-in implication (that sailed over the heads of the MSM) that the "next" time would unleash fire and fury....

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2019 03:49 PM (NFEMn)

407 >>>Bottom line: they've been warned, and IMO, in a rather deft fashion.

(Btw, even TuCa got this wrong last night, methinks. Did Trump "reconsider" when he realized that an air strike might impede his re-election? I doubt it. I bet he knew that going in. I suspect the whole thing was simply performance art for the Iranians.)

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 03:26 PM (heaSb)
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Trump, it must always be remembered, is the most successful reality TV producer in the history of the medium of television.

He knows how to set up a storyline for a payoff later in the season — in this case, the election season. [or this season of conflict]
_Thomas Lifson

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 03:50 PM (5TmO/)

408 I'm still conflicted over this. Waiting to see what happens next.

Oh. And fuck "proportionate response".
Posted by: Sooner at June 22, 2019 03:44 PM (Fs5vw)

Am I the only one who heard the distaste with which Trump used the phrase "proportionate response" in his tweet?
What I mean by that is Trump WANTED to do something major, but was talked down from doing so by others, so his tweeting it was, "Okay here's your proportionate response--because next time it WON'T be proportionate.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2019 03:54 PM (NFEMn)

409 I think the image Trump was trying to convey was of a man holding a snarling pit bull straining at the leash to rip out someone's throat, and that he sure hoped he hadn't inadvertently picked up the frayed leash.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 03:56 PM (heaSb)

410 "Okay here's your proportionate response--because next time it WON'T be proportionate.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2019 03:54 PM (NFEMn)

I think that there's even more ambiguity than it. I think his message was next time it MIGHT not be proportionate.

I love this, because it's what I would do. Don't make clear what you'd do next time (maybe the next time there's nothing you CAN do, and if you threaten now, but can't make good later, you look foolish, so better to make it look like you CHOSE to let that one go). Also, if you say explicitly "if you do X, I'll do Y," that lets the enemy do the calculation of whether or not doing X is worth it. It can also allow the enemy the opportunity of taking steps to mitigate Y.

I call this the minefield scenario. If you know EXACTLY where the minefield starts, you can come right up to the edge of it. But if someone tells you they think that there MIGHT be a minefield "over in that direction," you make damned sure to stay well away because you just don't know whether a) there IS a minefield, and b) if there is, where it begins. MUCH more effective in influencing behavior.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 04:02 PM (heaSb)

411 As always, the liberals--when it comes to reaching Trump's base-- want to have it both ways.

He's either "bumbling" his way into a war--"See? He broke his promise! He's a warmonger! A Neo-Con! It'll be a quagmire!"

Or he's a weak, vacillating wimp, a pussy--"See ? He backed down from a fight! He's skeered!!"

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2019 04:06 PM (NFEMn)

412 Given the context - a comprehensive policy of maximum pressure, actions overt and otherwise that are weakening Iran on all fronts, both at home and in its extensive foreign adventures, and also the recognition by all that conventionally Iran could be crushed like a bug the instant we decide to do so - this week's incident simply isn't that important, one way or the other.

It's also not that important, given the context, but I would never talk about it the way Trump has. Especially "proportionate response". In *most* situations, that's a stupid Beltway bit of gamesmanship that is unwise to try, and that arose in an era of an American superpower over-thinking how to deal with what is unavoidably a crude and raw process - imposing your will by force or threat thereof.

Iran has no options to break the vice grip. Moscow won't save them, China is afraid to try [they've already got their hands full with us]. That's what matters. And Tehran can't count on the infantile pacifism of TuCa and much of Trump's "base" to neuter American power enough to give them an escape.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2019 04:07 PM (QDnY+)

413 because Iran frantically got the word out that a minion acted without permission--or he was giving them that out as a way to diffuse the situation
Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2019 03:49 PM (NFEMn)

Reminds me of the scene in Patton when he confronts the British air vice marshal for referring to "the discredited practice of blaming air assets for the failures of infantry leadership," or some such.

At which point the British air marshal says something to the effect of, "I'm sure that that is regretted by whomever said it," thereby purporting to lay it off on a subordinate, but actually pulling in his horns while saving face.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 04:08 PM (heaSb)

414 Killers was a favorite term for his favorites before becoming president. I think the responsibility of actually killing 150 people with one word is a another level of reality.

Not that he wouldn't do it.

He knows that Obama and Kerry have coached Iran on triggering him. He's not going to pull the trigger until the world knows it's a righteous pull.

And his counter punches are crippling.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 04:09 PM (5TmO/)

415 this week's incident simply isn't that important, one way or the other.

With respect, I have to disagree, at least in part. This incident is not intrinsically important in a strategic sense, certainly, but it IS important in a symbolic sense. Failure to respond appropriately would risk encouraging further adventures by the Iranians. I see the drone incident and the limpet mine incident as reoccupying the Rhineland. Gotta nip this crap in the bud, stitch in time and all that, in an attempt to head off a much larger confrontation later.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 04:12 PM (heaSb)

416 JoeF I dunno. Look at the clip of Trump's interview with the idiot TV guy - can't remember the name, one of the sunday morning guys. I don't see any "distaste" in using the phrase.

I think there is far less to this than so many want to make of it. Because as I've been pointing out for days, Iran's under tremendous and growing pressure, has no exits*, and no "incidents" will change these fundamentals.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2019 04:13 PM (QDnY+)

417 Especially "proportionate response".

I think Trump was channeling liberal-speak here, intentionally. Now if the liberals attacked him for calling off the air strike, THEY are advocating a disproportionate response, the very sort of thing they usually excoriate others for.

So his use of the phrase puts them in an awkward position. As I expect was the whole idea.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 04:17 PM (heaSb)

418 Imagine starting a large war because a country shot down a robot over their airspace while ignoring the county,who has allowed 40 million perminant invaders into our country not counting the 2nd generations, even going as far as rewarding it with 100's of billions of dollars the past 30 plus years.

Really activated the almonds about who runs Bartertown.

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 22, 2019 04:26 PM (72spU)

419 "Proportionate response" put me off when I first heard it but it must be remembered Trump plays Alinsky with the best of them.

Iran's provocative nibbling at our edges is their way out if they succeed in triggering us before the world perceives it to be righteous.

Negative public opinion against kinetic action could throw the next election and that's the mullahs only hope; a Democrat president.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 04:27 PM (5TmO/)

420 Especially "proportionate response".

I think Trump was channeling liberal-speak here, intentionally. Now if the liberals attacked him for calling off the air strike, THEY are advocating a disproportionate response, the very sort of thing they usually excoriate others for.

So his use of the phrase puts them in an awkward position. As I expect was the whole idea.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 04:17 PM (heaSb)

Yes--you put much better the point I was trying to make.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2019 04:27 PM (NFEMn)

421 Nah, Iran's been taking bold aggressive actions against us, then relenting or turning their energies elsewhere, for *forty years*. The first American failure to respond [Beirut barracks bombing] did not actually lead to any wider campaign of provocations. The smackdown in 1987 was to prevent Iranian horizontal escalation against Iraq's Gulf $$$ backers - but it didn't appear to alter the global terror strategy - for long. The failure by Bush to adequately respond to the IRGC actions in Iraq, including the IED/EFP campaign, was an inexcusable mistake - yet I don't see any "emboldening" effect in subsequent Iranian behavior, anything they wouldn't have done anyway.

Iranian [mis]behavior seems to be driven by many things independent of American actions or policies. Which makes sense.

Context. Tehran knows it has no conventional military options against us. They're very weak, and there's nothing like a Rhineland re-militarization for them to engage in.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2019 04:28 PM (QDnY+)

422 411 As always, the liberals--when it comes to reaching Trump's base-- want to have it both ways.

He's either "bumbling" his way into a war--"See? He broke his promise! He's a warmonger! A Neo-Con! It'll be a quagmire!"

Or he's a weak, vacillating wimp, a pussy--"See ? He backed down from a fight! He's skeered!!"

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2019 04:06 PM (NFEMn)

And it's obvious to me that reality is neither of those things.

Posted by: rickl at June 22, 2019 04:29 PM (sdi6R)

423 As always, the liberals--when it comes to reaching Trump's base-- want to have it both ways.

He's either "bumbling" his way into a war--"See? He broke his promise! He's a warmonger! A Neo-Con! It'll be a quagmire!"

Or he's a weak, vacillating wimp, a pussy--"See ? He backed down from a fight! He's skeered!!"

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2019 04:06 PM (NFEMn)

And it's obvious to me that reality is neither of those things.
Posted by: rickl at June 22, 2019 04:29 PM (sdi6R)

It can be boiled down to "No Nation-building", but if you take a shot at us or one of our major allies, you are going to be whacked twice as hard (at least) so don't even think about it.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2019 04:33 PM (NFEMn)

424 Gateway Pundit linked to a video showing Schumer with Pelosi after he met with them regarding the Iran thing ... they are celebrating/dancing ... supposedly/perhaps because they got Trump to kill his re-election hopes by going "to war with Iran".

Trump has been known (a couple times) to set up Pelosi Schumer in those White House meetings ... and he could probably see he was being taunted into war ... they probably gave him their full support ... but would of course stab him in the back soon enough.

So they had the whole Narrative and MSM prepared to trash Trump for taking us to war ... but he broke their narrative. I doubt he decided that due to Tucker, but that gave him an even better glimpse of the blow back he would face, even from his friends.

seems like the right move ... to me. for now.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 22, 2019 04:35 PM (Cus5s)

425 423 As always, the liberals--when it comes to reaching Trump's base-- want to have it both ways.

He's either "bumbling" his way into a war--"See? He broke his promise! He's a warmonger! A Neo-Con! It'll be a quagmire!"

Or he's a weak, vacillating wimp, a pussy--"See ? He backed down from a fight! He's skeered!!"

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2019 04:06 PM (NFEMn)

And it's obvious to me that reality is neither of those things.
Posted by: rickl at June 22, 2019 04:29 PM (sdi6R)

It can be boiled down to "No Nation-building", but if you take a shot at us or one of our major allies, you are going to be whacked twice as hard (at least) so don't even think about it.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2019 04:33 PM (NFEMn)

Rounding up all illegals and legal, sendiing them back, invading Mexico at least 20 miles deep, punishing all companies for doing business with them, punishing Americans for aiding invaders, and setting up a Korean style demilitarized zone, when?

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 22, 2019 04:36 PM (72spU)

426 The only thing CA has done in regard to wildfires is threaten to turn off the power of residents. No commitment to manage the forests, no cleaning out all the homeless and survivalists in the forest.
NOTHING.
Just hurt the little guy.

And then they will make you pay for their bankruptcy.

Ready to leave yet?

Posted by: pj at June 22, 2019 04:37 PM (qlTN9)

427 So his use of the phrase puts them in an awkward position. As I expect was the whole idea.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 04:17 PM (heaSb)

Yes--you put much better the point I was trying to make.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2019 04:27 PM (NFEMn)

Imagine if Trump said he was doing something - or not doing something - because of "diversity," or "gay rights," or "fighting climate change." What do the liberals do? Oppose Trump, or oppose one of their sacred cows?

I think that that is the kind of dilemma he forced upon them with the "proportionate response" rubbish.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 04:37 PM (heaSb)

428 Please describe what parties to a "large war" would be, in the case of Iran.

Didn't think you could. No potential for a large war. The "small war" with them now has lasted forty years. Iran is weak, has no allies apart from the use-and-lose proxies of Lebanese Hez and Hamas [who aren't all that capable and in one case perhaps not all that anxious for a glorious and futile final chapter], and our "war" aims would be very limited in a conventional phase.

And there's no actual connection between the disastrous erosion of rule of law in borders and immigration and anything the country does overseas, obviously, though this dumb non-sequitir is now a favorite even of intelligent commentators [inexplicably].

I mean, how can we reduce capital gains taxes and at the same time build a border barrier, or repeal O-care and exit the Flores consent decree, or challenge Chinese territorial shenanigans in the South China Sea AND reduce the crippling regulations against coal for power generation?

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2019 04:39 PM (QDnY+)

429 They're very weak, and there's nothing like a Rhineland re-militarization for them to engage in.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2019 04:28 PM (QDnY+)

I didn't mean a Rhineland-type re-militarization literally. I meant a provocation to see what response, if any, they might occasion, as a way of probing our resolve. Would we shrug it off - as Obongo would doubtless have done - or what?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 04:40 PM (heaSb)

430 424 Gateway Pundit linked to a video showing Schumer with Pelosi after he met with them regarding the Iran thing ... they are celebrating/dancing ... supposedly/perhaps because they got Trump to kill his re-election hopes by going "to war with Iran".

Trump has been known (a couple times) to set up Pelosi Schumer in those White House meetings ... and he could probably see he was being taunted into war ... they probably gave him their full support ... but would of course stab him in the back soon enough.

So they had the whole Narrative and MSM prepared to trash Trump for taking us to war ... but he broke their narrative. I doubt he decided that due to Tucker, but that gave him an even better glimpse of the blow back he would face, even from his friends.

seems like the right move ... to me. for now.
Posted by: illiniwek at June 22, 2019 04:35 PM (Cus5s

- 2 confirmed glowing members of the deep state celebrating about "drawing us into war with Iran"
- 2 foreign merchant ships hit mines and a flying robot was shot down
mfw. The next move will be to say Iran has bought nukes on the black market so America and Americans must go full war now.

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 22, 2019 04:40 PM (72spU)

431 When Marla Maples, Trump's ex, was asked about him bonking the bonkers cat lady she responded:

http://tinyurl.com/yxtvbakk
https://preview.tinyurl.com/yxtvbakk

I think it's her way of saying, get real.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 04:42 PM (5TmO/)

432 Rounding up all illegals and legal, sendiing them back, invading Mexico at least 20 miles deep, punishing all companies for doing business with them, punishing Americans for aiding invaders, and setting up a Korean style demilitarized zone, when?
Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 22, 2019 04:36 PM (72spU)

Satisfying, but too concrete to be viable politically. I think ideally you want responses that you can dial up and dial down without making explicit changes in policy (which tend to look like climb downs).

For example, if you're unhappy about a country's trade practices, you start inspecting ALL their cross-border shipments very slowly and carefully, checking ALL their paperwork for any errors whatsoever, and turning the shipment away if you find any. Are you punishing them? No, no, far from it. You're just making sure everything is done properly.

They'll get the message, and once they do, you can loosen up. No change in policy required. Brit trades unions call it "working to rule." And it's very effective.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 04:45 PM (heaSb)

433 Trump voters are going to sit by and let Bernie become prez because they are so upset the country took military action somewhere? Nope.

They won't even stop cheering at rallies when he talks about "rebuilding the military" - though the fantasy "strategy" of punitive strikes and little more requires about 1/5 of our current defense posture.

Doubt Trump worried one bit about the imagined domestic political implications here. His action is easily and completely explained by his appreciation of how isolated and flailing Tehran is thanks to his very effective efforts.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2019 04:49 PM (QDnY+)

434 another possibility is that our own military is lying to Trump (on some of the details, enough to change the story) ... as they have in the past, as they manipulate and selectively brief on intel, or lie about their spying on all Americans.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 22, 2019 04:52 PM (Cus5s)

435 Trump voters are going to sit by and let Bernie become prez because they are so upset the country took military action somewhere? Nope.

No, but Trump voters are not the target. That's the independents, Democrat voters who might have stayed home, and Democrat voters who just might have voted for Trump. And that might change the outcome of the election

And even if it didn't change the outcome of the Presidential election, taking military action would give the MSM a field day in berating Trump non-stop for the next year, and may lead to losses in the House and/or the Senate that would derail the Trump agenda (in the latter case, the confirmation of conservative judges, IMO one of the most important and long-lasting things Trump has been doing).

I think that that is what is really at stake.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 04:56 PM (heaSb)

436 Rounding up all illegals and legal, sendiing them back, invading Mexico at least 20 miles deep, punishing all companies for doing business with them, punishing Americans for aiding invaders, and setting up a Korean style demilitarized zone, when?
Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 22, 2019 04:36 PM (72spU)

Not going to happen. It's not just optics--it's logistics.
Unfortunately.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2019 04:56 PM (NFEMn)

437 >>> Really activated the almonds

Either that's a really obscure phrase or your autocucumber cam up with that.

Posted by: fluffy at June 22, 2019 04:59 PM (dCRRg)

438 Not going to happen. It's not just optics--it's logistics.
Unfortunately.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2019 04:56 PM (NFEMn)

Yep, but it's also unnecessary (as well as providing great footage for the MSM of blubbing families being herded onto buses, etc.).

Enforce e-Verify, fine employers who hire illegals, require proof of legal residency for, e.g., school registration and such, deny illegals benefits, impose withholding on remittances to south of the border, etc. These sorts of things I suspect would cause a lot of self-deportations. No emotive video footage, no impassioned pleas, just ... people going home. On their own.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 04:59 PM (heaSb)

439 Tehran's appreciation of Trump's resolve - and the peril it poses for their ambitions or even rule - is amply reinforced, daily, by developments from each of their foreign theaters of adventure, and reports from their own cities.

Any "provocation" causing an actual American retaliation [the overt conventional kind, not those already ongoing] is likely to further erode Iran's position. Regional perceptions of "strong horse" [already of course favoring us] will only be enhanced, the already rickety alliance of Shi'a militia groups in Iraq will split further as being seen as Tehran's puppet becomes even more unpopular, and on and on.

And please - Europe has meekly complied with our very strong sanctions push - nothing will change if there's a "disproportionate" American military strike. Moscow and even Beijing have been limp or half-a**ed in helping Tehran out.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2019 05:01 PM (QDnY+)

440 Trump has his sea legs now. After going through *the generals* and others he thought were loyal he now knows who he can trust and who he can't.

I think the flag is catching on that their job is not politics and if they play that they will be replaced.

Someone mentioned spoofing their radar systems with false images. If we can do that I hope their eyes are bleeding trying to figure out what is and isn't real. It'd have their Russian advisers passing kidney stones too.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 22, 2019 05:02 PM (5TmO/)

441 Hiya KT great job, as usual.

Posted by: JT at June 22, 2019 05:07 PM (zfLOA)

442 Not going to happen. It's not just optics--it's logistics.
Unfortunately.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2019 04:56 PM (NFEMn)

You'd think some press on American 'Concentration Camps' would discourage the illegals. That is some bad optics right there.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 22, 2019 05:09 PM (1g7ch)

443 "Doubt Trump worried one bit about the imagined domestic political implications here."

imo he does pay a lot of attention to Fox coverage ... it maybe does not drive his policy, but he uses it as a gauge, to some degree. And it is not "the Trump voter" he is worried about ... it is that middle 35% and voter enthusiasm.

The award to Tiger ... he knows Tiger, but the award was kinda over the top. But he is playing to cut into the black vote ... and he pardoned ? some black guy from the past. Trump is always looking to expand the base ...

many of his base even think they are taken for granted to some degree... like no immediate action on the wall when he came into office (Coulter seems to think she has to make noise so he will listen, Trump
made note that she was angry that he didn't return her calls, but he was
listening apparently). So maybe some deportation raids will help with that.

Markets have to hold up, and there needs to be some prosecutions and coverage of the DNC/DeepState/globalist coup. A non-action in Iran is a small item, but if it led to an excuse for Iran to ramp up (even though they have no chance militarily) ... it could hurt Trump and give the MSM their new narrative.

The real threat is "open borders" domestically longer term. Foreign policy threat is maybe pushing toward some Sino-Russian axis by alienating the Green Party element of Iran from US by super power intrusion. Better to let the people continue to push the collapse of Khomeini ... or whoever it is now. But I don't have any grasp on how close Iran Russia are ... or where China is getting their oil exactly. lots of moving parts.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 22, 2019 05:13 PM (Cus5s)

444 I agree with deplorable Jay; "homeless" is just a word invented by the SJW class to include as many disparate groups as possible into one oppressed class. They are using it against us, making us seem like oppressors if we object to them pooping in our front yard.

Posted by: pj at June 22, 2019 05:14 PM (qlTN9)

445 Wow, Trump defers start of [decades overdue, massive] ICE removal of illegals with final deportation orders for "2 weeks" - to give Dems and Reps a chance to work out fixes to asylum and other key border/migration problems.

There's real questions about new acting DHS acting chief - he's suspected of leaking ICE plan - but even if this is 13-dimensional chess, I'm not impressed.

Beginning to work on the enormous backload of deportations is not something to be used as a bargaining chip - these cases are part of the huge de facto amnesty in existence since the 9Os, and one as such are one of the "magnets".

Close the border if you want a hammer to force congressional action - or use any of a number of *existing* legal authorities to stem the flow.

The 2 disastrous mishandlings of CRs do not appear to be a fluke, but part of a pattern.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2019 05:19 PM (QDnY+)

446 436 Rounding up all illegals and legal, sendiing them back, invading Mexico at least 20 miles deep, punishing all companies for doing business with them, punishing Americans for aiding invaders, and setting up a Korean style demilitarized zone, when?
Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 22, 2019 04:36 PM (72spU)

Not going to happen. It's not just optics--it's logistics.
Unfortunately.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2019 04:56 PM (NFEMn)

There are literally a million native born Americans with little to zero employment and purpose that would sign up, train for a year, throw the fuckers out, and enforce invader control.

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 22, 2019 05:20 PM (72spU)

447 I've always appreciated Jay taking my hard line kinda hyperbolic stance, elaborating, and coming up with a rational first step towards a hard line stance.

Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 22, 2019 05:22 PM (72spU)

448 Lois Van der Leun, after a very long and fruitful life, is truly gone. 1914 - 2019

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/lois-leun-obituary?pid=193123783

Posted by: hooodathunkit at June 22, 2019 05:24 PM (Ttn4a)

449 443 "Doubt Trump worried one bit about the imagined domestic political implications here."

imo he does pay a lot of attention to Fox coverage ... it maybe does not drive his policy, but he uses it as a gauge, to some degree. And it is not "the Trump voter" he is worried about ... it is that middle 35% and voter enthusiasm.

The award to Tiger ... he knows Tiger, but the award was kinda over the top. But he is playing to cut into the black vote ... and he pardoned ? some black guy from the past. Trump is always looking to expand the base ...

many of his base even think they are taken for granted to some degree... like no immediate action on the wall when he came into office (Coulter seems to think she has to make noise so he will listen, Trump
made note that she was angry that he didn't return her calls, but he was
listening apparently). So maybe some deportation raids will help with that.

Markets have to hold up, and there needs to be some prosecutions and coverage of the DNC/DeepState/globalist coup. A non-action in Iran is a small item, but if it led to an excuse for Iran to ramp up (even though they have no chance militarily) ... it could hurt Trump and give the MSM their new narrative.

The real threat is "open borders" domestically longer term. Foreign policy threat is maybe pushing toward some Sino-Russian axis by alienating the Green Party element of Iran from US by super power intrusion. Better to let the people continue to push the collapse of Khomeini ... or whoever it is now. But I don't have any grasp on how close Iran Russia are ... or where China is getting their oil exactly. lots of moving parts.
Posted by: illiniwek at June 22, 2019 05:13 PM (Cus5s)

=====

Oh, you have no idea. You've got sections of pro-second amendment voters absolutely incandescent because Trump said something negative about suppressors and his bumpstock ban. Not a fan of those actions but the disproportionate response to them on the right was both eye rolling and worrying. The right has a tradition of cutting their own throat IMHO.

Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2019 05:25 PM (MffEX)

450 447 I've always appreciated Jay taking my hard line kinda hyperbolic stance, elaborating, and coming up with a rational first step towards a hard line stance.
Posted by: tomorrow's trends today at June 22, 2019 05:22 PM (72spU)

You're very kind. Thank you!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 22, 2019 05:29 PM (heaSb)

451 Chicago and I believe other areas declared certain places off-limits specifically to hamper [supposedly planned] ICE actions this weekend.

Big generalization, but not based on nothing - Trump has played a very strong hand on his signature issue very, very poorly. No chess or poker savvy in evidence.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2019 05:30 PM (QDnY+)

452 "Trump defers start of [decades overdue, massive] ICE removal of
illegals with final deportation orders for "2 weeks" - to give Dems and
Reps a chance to work out fixes to asylum and other key border/migration
problems"

yeah, yikes. #2Weeks ... has become a real thing. The deportations should go on full speed to force congress to act ... and then ... continue them anyway. Trump already delayed 2 years ... this DOES look like weakness. Why did he even announce he was GOING to start Sunday, instead of showing video of it happening? Gives them more time to get Hawaiian judge to overrule POTUS ... again, as if that is the actual plan.

Maybe they really did get all the kompromat material they needed on Trump and fam' with the two year unlimited action coup. sheesh.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 22, 2019 05:30 PM (Cus5s)

453 Jackal - what was "disproportionate" about response [by some] to the truly idiotic [and illegal] actions/words on those 2 gunzzz things? The constitution lies in tatters generally, but WRT the 2A, it's virtually suspended, with the inferior courts even blazing new trails of lawlessness to defy the SCOTUS on the only 2 relevant big rulings ever made.

Context.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2019 05:36 PM (QDnY+)

454 453 Jackal - what was "disproportionate" about response [by some] to the truly idiotic [and illegal] actions/words on those 2 gunzzz things? The constitution lies in tatters generally, but WRT the 2A, it's virtually suspended, with the inferior courts even blazing new trails of lawlessness to defy the SCOTUS on the only 2 relevant big rulings ever made.

Context.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2019 05:36 PM (QDnY+)

=====

Just that I think threatening to sit out the next election because Trump said he didn't "like" supressors (note there's been no action in that regard, just words a few weeks ago) insane. Yeah, that's the ticket, give the government to the dems. That worked so fucking well in 1992.

Posted by: Jackal at June 22, 2019 05:41 PM (MffEX)

455 Oh of course I agree, Jackal - we're trapped. As GOP voters have been for a long time, thanks to the alien insanity of the Dems.

As I said above, WRT Iran, I doubt many voters will consciously allow the crazy Dems back into the WH because we hit some Iranian missile sites.

But "suppressing" your own base can be a thing. This ICE/deportation debacle - ongoing as we type - is the kind of thing that, as part of a pattern, can do that.

But again - do you take a largely failed, flailing Trump administration on illegal migration - or the Dems?

And yet some question my pessimism .....

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2019 05:49 PM (QDnY+)

456 hooodathunkit at June 22, 2019 05:24 PM

Thanks for the confirmation.

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/lois-leun-obituary?pid=193123783

Posted by: KTbarthedoor at June 22, 2019 05:52 PM (BVQ+1)

457 Hiya, JT.

Posted by: KTbarthedoor at June 22, 2019 05:54 PM (BVQ+1)

458 But "suppressing" your own base can be a thing. This ICE/deportation debacle - ongoing as we type - is the kind of thing that, as part of a pattern, can do that.

But again - do you take a largely failed, flailing Trump administration on illegal migration - or the Dems?

And yet some question my pessimism .....

Posted by: rhomboid at June 22, 2019 05:49 PM (QDnY+)

That's why we have to support Trump --even if he doesn't do EVERYTHING he said he was gonna do.
He has to satisfy his base without scaring off the moderates who voted for him last time.

Remember, he'll have more flexibility after the NEXT election, his last.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 22, 2019 06:30 PM (NFEMn)

459 "James Meigs at City Journal (I have wondered how the Manhattan Institute became so interested in California)..." I can tell you. I used to work there and I helped edit the magazine's California coverage on the web. To make a very long story short, they discovered they had a sizable readership in California, even for NY stories. So they made a concerted effort to expand coverage and build an audience. You should pick up (cheap!) a copy of the book we published a few years back called "The Beholden State." https://www.amazon.com/Beholden-State-Californias-Promise-Recapture/dp/144222343X

Posted by: Ben Boychuk at June 22, 2019 09:35 PM (ausB9)

460 Excellent post and comments KT

Posted by: Summer of Love at June 22, 2019 09:43 PM (FJrl0)

461 ...and as Missing Persons reminds us, nobody walks in L.A.

Posted by: Grammar Patrol at June 22, 2019 09:48 PM (mEn6y)

462 Ben Boychuk at June 22, 2019 09:35 PM

Thanks for the information. Sounds like an interesting book.

Posted by: KTbarthedoor at June 23, 2019 02:07 AM (BVQ+1)

463 CA needs to clear out the dead wood, literally and figuratively.

Posted by: Scottyv at June 23, 2019 12:59 PM (EGIxd)

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