Gun Thread: Weapons of D-Day [Weasel]

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Omaha Beach - June 6, 1944

Of all the D-Day combat photos to choose from, I liked this one the best. The blurry image seems to best capture a chaotic instant in time at Omaha Beach. Let's take a look at three of the weapons these incredibly brave young men would have been carrying, shall we?

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1945 Springfield Armory M1 Garand

Although many different weapons were brought ashore that day, most of the soldiers would have been carrying the main battle rifle of the time, the U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, M1. Designed by John Cantius Garand, in 1936 the rifle bearing his name became the first standard issue semi-automatic infantry rifle in the world and which General George S. Patton famously called "the greatest battle implement ever devised." Nearly six million of these wonderful rifles were built by wartime suppliers Springfield Armory and Winchester Repeating Arms, and later Harrington & Richardson, International Harvester and Beretta.

Weighing about 10 pounds, the M1 fires a .30-'06 cartridge from an 8 round internal clip (yes, a clip) and has a stated maximum effective range of 500 yards although the rifle is accurate to much greater distances. They are an absolute joy to shoot, as anyone who has had the opportunity will be only too happy to tell you. These are the rifles which allowed the men with uncommon courage to change the course of history.

The paratroopers landing in France the night before the invasion would have most likely been carrying the M1 Carbine. This particular rifle has serial number low enough that it could have been there. Some of you may recall the M1 Carbine from the February 17, 2018 Gun Thread.

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1944 General Motors, Inland Division - M1 Carbine

Quoting from that thread:

Prior to WWII, the Army had decided the M1 Garand primary battle rifle was too big and clunky for support troops and paratroopers and requested a smaller, lighter rifle be developed. The Winchester design eventually prevailed and went into production in 1941. The semi-automatic carbine, a gas operated, rotating bolt design, was approximately 36 inches in length and weighed in at just over 5 pounds. An even more compact version with a folding stock was developed for Airborne units. With production ending in 1945, more than 6 million of the rifles were made and have seen use by armies and civilians around the world, even to this day.

Others of you may recall this pistol from the September 2, 2018 Gun Thread.

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1945 Remington Rand M1911A1

To quote my own deathless prose from that thread:

Designed by John M Browning, the M1911 and 1911A1 chambered in .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) served as the country's standard-issue sidearm for 75 years. Military testing began around 1906 and continued until the design was formally adopted in 1911. An autoloader based on the short recoil principle of operation, it has been universally acknowledged for its durability, simplicity and reliability.

Over the years, countless variants of the same basic design have been produced and remain very popular among shooters today. Millions were produced under military contract with notable wartime manufacturers including Remington Rand, Ithaca Gun Co., Union Switch and Signal, and Singer.

Volumes have been written about the 1911, the quintessential military sidearm and the standard against which all other autoloading pistols are measured. The example pictured above, one of the last produced by Remington Rand in 1945, has been through the arsenal process at least once and remains a fine shooter to this day.

The M1, the M1 Carbine and the M1911 are fantastic weapons which I am very happy to own. When I shoot these guns, I cannot help wonder where they have been and about the soldiers who have carried them. These weapons are the tools of freedom. They are an important part of American history, fine examples of the industrial art of the period, and virtually guaranteed to put a smile on your face.

Here is a link to President Trump's remarks commemorating the 75th anniversary of the Allied landing on the beaches of Normandy. He absolutely nails it, and it's well worth your time if you haven't already seen it.

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Link-O-Rama
Amazon: Collector's Guide to the M1 Garand and M1 Carbine
GCA - The Garand Collectors Association
Fulton Armory: M1 Garand Rifles and Parts
The Civilian Marksmanship Program: M1 Garand Sales
Article: M1 Carbine
Book: M1 Carbine Wartime Production
Book: M1 Carbine Owners Guide
War Department Field Manual - U.S. Carbine, Caliber .30, M1
Browning Website: History of the M1911
Collectors Guide to the M1911
SightM1911: Super Mega Assload of M1911 Information
M1911 Forum

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Giant Multi-tool - h/t hcurmudgeon

What the ever loving hell is a multi-tool doing in the Gun Thread you ask? Well if you look closely, among other things it has a functional five shot .22 cal revolver. Thanks hcurmudgeon!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:00 PM




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1 Hello!

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 09, 2019 07:02 PM (cfSRQ)

2 Hah! First!

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 09, 2019 07:02 PM (cfSRQ)

3 Went to WWII reenactment yesterday, fantastic

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2019 07:02 PM (BbGew)

4 There was all sorts of armaments, real MG 34s and a MG42 that were fully workable. The guard of these said they were owned by a collector and it was a pile of money sitting there.

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2019 07:04 PM (BbGew)

5 Howdy, y'all.

Posted by: Bert G at June 09, 2019 07:06 PM (OMsf+)

6 Some of the tools on that multitool look ....baroque.

Posted by: Eromero at June 09, 2019 07:06 PM (qBNEP)

7 I have all three. For now.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 07:07 PM (bgJ0E)

8 Okay, having gotten that out of the way, yes I was to the range this week.

This morning in fact. Doing rifle qualification, which the ANG hasn't asked me to do since 2007. I was happy to be doing it again, but the weather was less than optimal. Pretty much rain all the way through. The only dry parts of me were the ones covered by my jacket and the body armor.

Interesting twist on new technology: when it's raining, your red-dot sight gets real tough to see through. I was minded to just take the whole assembly off and go iron (I was getting better groups with iron sights anyway). But I didn't.
As a guy who went through Army basic training, I didn't mind the rain, the delays, the bugs, etc. all that much. What really has me annoyed was that someone threw away my target while I was cleaning up brass. The score was recorded, but I never actually got to see my shot placement.

Ruined my day.


Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 09, 2019 07:07 PM (cfSRQ)

9 Skimmed the Content!

Posted by: Surfperch at June 09, 2019 07:07 PM (tVQUs)

10 The Garand was initially approved using the Gas Trap design, using gas after the muzzle and cycling the rifle.

Gas Trap Garands are rare and very collectible.

Thankfully they were modified to the rifle we know today due to poor reliability due to fouling caused by the gas trap system.



Posted by: Frank Costanza at June 09, 2019 07:07 PM (Z+IKu)

11 I have a beautiful Union Switch & Signal slide. Sure wish I could find a frame. Hard to find.

Posted by: DBCooper at June 09, 2019 07:07 PM (bttOm)

12 I am pretty well certain my FiL in WWII carried a M3 "grease gun" and that might have been the only weapon I didn't see.

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2019 07:08 PM (BbGew)

13 Gun thread in view !

O the joy !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2019 07:08 PM (a5hgv)

14 I have all three. For now.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 07:07 PM (bgJ0E)
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Take them canoeing.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 07:08 PM (MVjcR)

15 Windsurfing is faster.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 07:09 PM (bgJ0E)

16 BAR.

Posted by: CMU VET at June 09, 2019 07:10 PM (C+wjz)

17 Windsurfing is faster.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 07:09 PM (bgJ0E)
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That's true!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 07:10 PM (MVjcR)

18 No Submachine Gun, Caliber .45, M1?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 07:10 PM (yQpMk)

19 And we were producing those 3 firearms for less than 100 yankee dollars a piece in 1945. Can't touch them for that kind of money today. Why? Because our yankee dollar is worth about 27 cents today.

Posted by: Eromero at June 09, 2019 07:11 PM (qBNEP)

20 No Submachine Gun, Caliber .45, M1?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 07:10 PM (yQpMk)
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Not that I'm going to admit to online.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 07:11 PM (MVjcR)

21 As for D-Day weapons, no. I do however have the SMLE III* (I think that's the variant) and a Webley Mk VI.

So I'm all set for the Dardenelles!

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 09, 2019 07:11 PM (cfSRQ)

22 As a young 2LT in 1976, I had an armorer in Germany who took my beat to sh*t M1911 and turned it into a craftsman's delight. I was so good with it the Battalion Commander wanted it. I respectfully declined so he took my armorer instead and had his rebuilt.
I still tease him to this day about that.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 09, 2019 07:12 PM (axyOa)

23 22
As a young 2LT in 1976,


Posted by: Diogenes at June 09, 2019 07:12 PM (axyOa)

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I was 3 years old in '76. Now I'm the Old Man of my squadron.

Time flies, eh?

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 09, 2019 07:15 PM (cfSRQ)

24 OK just to stir you damm Septics up. BAR although created by the best gun designer PBUH, is tactically a piece of crap as a section (squad) weapon in comparison with the Best LMG ever the Bren L4 7.62mm or any of the Bren/BRNO earlier designs. Discuss.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 07:15 PM (bgJ0E)

25 Years ago I bought a repro folding stock for one of my carbines to configure it as an M1A1. Looks cool, but shooting it lefty is a non-starter. The way the stock is hinged tends to fold it up at the most awkward moments.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at June 09, 2019 07:15 PM (wZ9cV)

26 The 1911 I most regret not buying was a Union Switch & Signal "pattern gun"; a pistol with all the parts made exactly to spec dimension, for quality control use. 800 dollars, back in the late 70's.
SAD !


On the other hand, I still have my grandmother's 1911, not A1, that she brought home from serving as an evac hospital nurse back in WW I - I don't know it's story as I don't think anyone in the family knew she had it until she passed at 102.
Went to her son, my dad, and was one of the few firearms I inherited. He sold off the Springfield and the M1 carbine at various points in time, to my great sorrow.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2019 07:16 PM (a5hgv)

27 >>> Others of you may recall this pistol from the September 2, 2019 Gun Thread.

The time machine is real.

Posted by: fluffy at June 09, 2019 07:16 PM (dCRRg)

28 The time machine is real.

Posted by: fluffy at June 09, 2019 07:16 PM (dCRRg)
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oh shit

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 07:17 PM (MVjcR)

29 I have nothing to report this week. After scoping my Marlin 190 to kill the gray fox last Saturday, the creature has avoid being in view. I've heard it barking in the foliage but haven't had a shot.

Btw, Mrs928, who was pushing me to slay the predator, is now going wishy-washy on the matter.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 07:17 PM (yQpMk)

30 26 The 1911 I most regret not buying was a Union Switch & Signal "pattern gun"; a pistol with all the parts made exactly to spec dimension, for quality control use. 800 dollars, back in the late 70's.
SAD !

ohhhhhh. I feel your burn.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 07:17 PM (bgJ0E)

31 The other night, there was a brief exchange regarding the (American) sniper in 'Saving Private Ryan'.

Here's a pic of the weapon (well, one like it).

http://tinyurl.com/y2vjy4lr

As it happens, I have had the same Unertl scope, before the tragic canoe accident.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 09, 2019 07:17 PM (xSo9G)

32 6 Some of the tools on that multitool look ....baroque.
Posted by: Eromero at June 09, 2019 07:06 PM (qBNEP)


Look like they're in fine working condition to me.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 09, 2019 07:18 PM (NWiLs)

33 and speaking of M1 Garands, you can win one here

https://wn.nr/5R5t7Z

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 07:18 PM (yQpMk)

34 First comment lost in the ether.
I don't have the carbine but I do have a March 1945 M 1 courtesy of CMP. And a Springfield Milspec 1911. Both are a joy to shoot. It feels like you have history in your hand.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2019 07:18 PM (TmTXR)

35 I've shot all 3 and they are fine weapons indeed.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 09, 2019 07:19 PM (NWiLs)

36 Best LMG ever the Bren L4 7.62mm or any of the Bren/BRNO earlier designs. Discuss.


The Bren was clearly the most accurate LMG of WWII, but is sniperish accuracy, in semi-auto only, what you want in a LMG?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 07:19 PM (yQpMk)

37 First comment lost in the ether.
I don't have the carbine but I do have a March 1945 M 1 courtesy of CMP. And a Springfield Milspec 1911. Both are a joy to shoot. It feels like you have history in your hand.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2019 07:18 PM (TmTXR)
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That was probably me fixing typos. Sorry!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 07:20 PM (MVjcR)

38 It feels like you have history in your hand.
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'History'? I beg your pardon. What does it say when some of us used a 1911 while on active duty?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 09, 2019 07:20 PM (xSo9G)

39 readingeagle.com gallery day 2
https://tinyurl.com/y4gpt3az

Little photo gallery of the Reading event

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2019 07:21 PM (BbGew)

40 Did my abbreviated (winter) range day today, a cylinder each from the J-frame and the mini .22, and a mag each from the Sig P290 and the Taurus PT 145.

All in the black from Tueller Drill (21 feet) distance, good enough to go on with until Shooting Buddy gets back from TX ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2019 07:22 PM (a5hgv)

41 NZFrank, I ordered a copy of the Upham biography you mentioned last week. Looking forward to reading it. Thanks for suggesting it.

Posted by: JTB at June 09, 2019 07:22 PM (bmdz3)

42 That photo is shamefully shakey. The photog wasn't taking care of business. In fairness, he may have been preoccupied as hell, thinking about other things.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 09, 2019 07:23 PM (xSo9G)

43 Others of you may recall this pistol from the September 2, 2019 Gun Thread.


So that's why ace can't find his time machine.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 09, 2019 07:23 PM (fuK7c)

44 Was driven indoors just now by T-storm with rain showers and scattered hail. My area is under a severe thunderstorm "watch", which means conditions are favorable for the development of such storms. If severe storms are observed, they upgrade the "watch" to a "warning". So far, no warnings, Province-wide.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 09, 2019 07:23 PM (WG6O9)

45 >>No Submachine Gun, Caliber .45, M1?
>>Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 07:10 PM (yQpMk)
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>>Not that I'm going to admit to online.
>>Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 07:11 PM (MVjcR)

I have one of the Kahr Thompsons, and yeah, it's the gun I'm kind of ashamed to admit I bought. As a collection piece it's beautiful; nice to look at, it feels great in the hands, and the wood is gorgeous. As a gun, it's a heap of $#!^, and when I lose my gun collection in the canoe accident next month I'm going to swim back for the Kahr, get it out of the lake, and throw it into a sewer instead. A water burial is too honorable for that piece of garbage.

Posted by: Lazy Messenger at June 09, 2019 07:23 PM (f0Pv6)

46 NZFrank, I ordered a copy of the Upham biography you mentioned last week. Looking forward to reading it. Thanks for suggesting it.
Posted by: JTB
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Two of us. It was a bit pricey.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 09, 2019 07:23 PM (xSo9G)

47 Mike Hammer, "they" wouldn't let us rotary ring jockeys have the 1911. Had to armpit carry our Model 10 S and W .38 Specials.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2019 07:24 PM (TmTXR)

48 31
The other night, there was a brief exchange regarding the (American) sniper in 'Saving Private Ryan'.



Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 09, 2019 07:17 PM (xSo9G)
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I'm sure I'm in a minority here, but I utterly loathe that movie. I despise it with every fiber of my being, the mention of it makes me throw up into my mouth a little and when I see it on a TV screen, I switch channels with the same alacrity I once used when changing the radio when a Michael Bolton song came on.

I don't get why people like it. It's utterly nihilistic and a complete fabrication of history, from the implication that letters home were mass produced (they weren't) to the b.s. about Ryan being the "one decent thing" that could come out of the war.

The combat tactics made no sense and it glorified a coward. Finally, it deliberately cut out the TRUE STORY of the chaplain who found the real "Private Ryan."

For those who venerate this movie, let them be anathema.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 09, 2019 07:25 PM (cfSRQ)

49 Weasel, thanks for gubs!


Wasn't the carbine actually a replacement for the 1911, for some troops, or at least originally envisioned that way?


A couple of HRA Garands, a 1943 Quality Hardware carbine, but a modern 1911 - A1 configuration close to the final one while in US service use, I think. But it wears Remington Rand surplus grips ......


NZFrank wasn't the BAR a fairly early design? Very heavy, only a 2O round box mag, right? But before LMGs had really taken off. Didn't Clyde Barrow and other gangsters use BARs?

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2019 07:25 PM (QDnY+)

50 All in the black from Tueller Drill (21 feet) distance, good enough to go on with until Shooting Buddy gets back from TX ...
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All in the black?

*dammit. more range time needed*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 09, 2019 07:25 PM (xSo9G)

51 among others, we have a Beretta receiver Garand and a Bersa Garand receiver.

never saw them when you could buy the complete parts kits for those.

*sad*

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 09, 2019 07:25 PM (w0xwb)

52 That is sweet looking Mike.
Didn't investigate it but saw they had you could fire many types of WWII weapons, heard full auto fire but can only figure it was blanks as it wasn't a full firing range.

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2019 07:26 PM (BbGew)

53 Insomniac @ 35- I confess that of those 3 I only have experience with the 1911, do not even have the Garand or carbine in our inventory. I is sorely lacking in that department, and it is not for lack of funds. Just waiting for the perfect deal to come along, am I? Maybe.

Posted by: Eromero at June 09, 2019 07:26 PM (qBNEP)

54 Others of you may recall this pistol from the September 2, 2019 Gun Thread.


So that's why ace can't find his time machine.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 09, 2019 07:23 PM (fuK7c)
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Whatever might you be referring to?

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 07:26 PM (MVjcR)

55 Did I mention it is a James River Armor built M1 Garand. Like factory new.

https://wn.nr/5R5t7Z

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 07:26 PM (yQpMk)

56 what you want in a LMG?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09,

Firepower,accuracy,reliability, weight and ergonomics in that order. The BAR lags way behind in comparison. If the US had of adopted the Bren in .30-06 with extended 30rd BAR type mags you would of had a real winner. You used a heavy rifle with a giggle switch instead.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 07:26 PM (bgJ0E)

57 Anyone know anything about the organization called "A Girl & A Gun" Women's Shooting League?

Posted by: lin-duh at June 09, 2019 07:27 PM (UUBmN)

58 This week I did some gunsmithing. On a Kel-tec PF9. Previously I had replaced the recoil spring and rod, a somewhat stiffer spring, and stainless steel replacing composite for the rod (sourced from Galloway Precision). I also got the reduced power hammer spring and firing pin spring.

I got the hammer spring after a few tries and getting the slide totally seized on the frame a couple of times and managed to disassemble enough to get it move and then come apart again. Finally got it all back together to work.

Next was to go after the firing pin spring. Thing 1: They say that there are 2 gens of the PF9 - one has a allen head extractor screw and this is easy to remove. The second *which I have, of course!) is a Torx and there is some sort of loctite on it that given the results (broke 2 of my torx bits) needs to be heated to remove. Thing 2: Kel-tec says end users should not be doing this level of disassembly.

So....did not replace the firing pin spring. Honestly I cannot imagine that it makes much difference.

Next stop is to get to the range with my two PF-9s - the one with the new springs and the one that is stock, and seee how they compare.

I plan to go canoeing afterward.

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2019 07:27 PM (ZfRYq)

59 41 NZFrank, I ordered a copy of the Upham biography you mentioned last week. Looking forward to reading it. Thanks for suggesting it.
Posted by: JTB at June 09, 2019 07:22 PM (bmdz3)
Awesome. It is a fine read.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 07:27 PM (bgJ0E)

60 Unfortunately many weapons were lost in the jump by paratroopers on D-day. Dick Winters hit the ground with only a knife. God bless them for all they overcame to secure victory.

Posted by: Guam tipper at June 09, 2019 07:28 PM (FsgBK)

61 You used a heavy rifle with a giggle switch instead.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 07:26 PM (bgJ0E)

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Speaking of which, they let us burn through three full mags using the burst setting.

It was fun.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 09, 2019 07:29 PM (cfSRQ)

62 NZFrank wasn't the BAR a fairly early design? Very heavy, only a 2O round box mag, right?


It was designed for the 1918 Offensive in WWI. Made to be fired from the hip in an untried technique called Walking Fire. Since the Army had them, they tried using them in the LMG role with a bipod, even adding a QD barrel.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 07:29 PM (yQpMk)

63 For those who venerate this movie, let them be anathema.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd
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Well, I certainly do not venerate the movie. It's only a movie, after all.

I enjoy observing the weapons/vehicles. The storyline, or historical accuracy, I do not care about. I've noticed that the parkerization on many of the M1's is worn off from use.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 09, 2019 07:29 PM (CDGwz)

64
For those who venerate this movie, let them be anathema.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 09, 2019 07:25 PM (cfSRQ)

Totally concur. All my mates hate it as well, mostly due to the crap infantry tactics.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 07:30 PM (bgJ0E)

65 57 Anyone know anything about the organization called "A Girl & A Gun" Women's Shooting League?

Posted by: lin-duh at June 09, 2019 07:27 PM (UUBmN)
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It sounds vaguely familiar, lin-duh, but I might've just dreamed about it!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 07:30 PM (MVjcR)

66 The first wave to storm the beaches took 90% casualties, the second 75%. We owe them so much.

Posted by: kallisto at June 09, 2019 07:31 PM (3rMal)

67 AH Lloyd- I rail against SPR all the time, the first half hour is extremely good but as soon as Tom Hanks gets to the bunker for his report turn it off.

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2019 07:31 PM (BbGew)

68 If the US had of adopted the Bren in .30-06 with extended 30rd BAR type mags you would of had a real winner.


The real comparison is with the MG42 rather than the BAR. Being belt fed, the MG42 was a better area denial weapon but inaccurate in the sense that it worked for cone of fire rather than rifle like accuracy.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 07:32 PM (yQpMk)

69 Carcano info.

I have a 1942 Model 91/41 which shoots high at 100 yards. When made, this rifle was zeroed at 200 meters, so she should shoot high at 100 yards. But she shoots 3 feet high at 100 yards, 2 and a half feet high at 200 yards and around 2 feet high at 300 yards.
There are no "tall" front sight blades available made for the Carcano that I could find anywhere.

I recently found that the front sight blade for this model Carcano is also the exact front sight blade used on the Swedish Mauser as far as fitting the slot on the front sight.

I found that they make a super tall front sight blade for the Swedish Mauser, called a +3, which is about twice the height of the standard Carcano front sight blade. Liberty Tree Collectors had them in stock.

I was able to procure one of these front sight blades and installed it with my Williams front sight tool.

Range report to follow after I get her out and send some rounds down range.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 09, 2019 07:32 PM (Z+IKu)

70 Although I have the 45 acp cartridge covered I am ashamed to say to say I don't have a 1911 at the moment. I wonder if that Rock Island version, quite inexpensive compared to a Colt, is worth getting.

Posted by: JTB at June 09, 2019 07:32 PM (bmdz3)

71 excuse me, the 1919 Offensive.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 07:33 PM (yQpMk)

72 Isn't that photo one of the ones from Life magazine with the guy who kinda sorta faked them? I think Insty had the link.

The film sprocket holes are the giveaway.

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2019 07:33 PM (ZfRYq)

73
NZFrank wasn't the BAR a fairly early design? Very heavy, only a 2O round box mag, right? But before LMGs had really taken off. Didn't Clyde Barrow and other gangsters use BARs?

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2019 07:25 PM (QDnY+)

Correct. The problem was it was a WWI design and manufacture and by the start of the 1920's the LMG concept was sorted (quick change barrel, top mount mag, etc) and started to be put into practice. By WWII for US forces to use it was crazy as there were proven practicable alternates. But 'Merica.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 07:33 PM (bgJ0E)

74 Excellent Weasel. Much appreciated.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 09, 2019 07:34 PM (OX6sG)

75 So, range report. Not M1, but it was M1 brass.
RedSon saw my targets and said, "Dad, you shot the Big Dipper!"
Damn, it was true. 8 shots with the flyer being Polaris.
I don't know if I should call Guiness Book of Records or Ripley's believe it or not.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2019 07:34 PM (TmTXR)

76 Was that photo from the photog whose film was later ruined in processing, save for 11 shots? Can't recall where, one of the million D-Day books, but thought I read that most of the still and moving film from D-Day was consolidated and then was dropped in the drink when the courier was transferring from a Higgins boat to a ship.


Amazing, if true - but must have some truth - there is barely any film of D-Day. For Iwo Jima, comparatively tiny operation, hours of footage and thousands of photos from just the first few days.



Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2019 07:34 PM (QDnY+)

77 I enjoy observing the weapons/vehicles. The
storyline, or historical accuracy, I do not care about. I've noticed
that the parkerization on many of the M1's is worn off from use.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 09, 2019 07:29 PM (CDGwz)

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You're better off watching "Kelly's Heroes" which has great production values, uses better tactics and is much, much more entertaining.

Also does a nice job of outlining why Tiger tanks kind of sucked.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 09, 2019 07:34 PM (cfSRQ)

78 72 Isn't that photo one of the ones from Life magazine with the guy who kinda sorta faked them? I think Insty had the link.

The film sprocket holes are the giveaway.

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2019 07:33 PM (ZfRYq)
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I have no idea - I hadn't heard about that. Didn't they have 35mm film in 1944?

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 07:35 PM (MVjcR)

79 If the US had of adopted the Bren in .30-06 with extended 30rd BAR type mags you would of had a real winner.


The real comparison is with the MG42 rather than the BAR. Being belt fed, the MG42 was a better area denial weapon but inaccurate in the sense that it worked for cone of fire rather than rifle like accuracy.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 07:32 PM (yQpMk)

Disagree. Belt fed vs box mag. No comparison. I was talking about weapons used as LMG's.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 07:35 PM (bgJ0E)

80 lin-duh, I sent them an email to see if they wanted to send a rep to the MoMe and never heard a word.

You safe?

Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2019 07:36 PM (UGlAW)

81 I can't see how the MG42 in it's mount was that great, a Ma Deuce in a pintle mount has a much wider range.

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2019 07:36 PM (BbGew)

82 Yes, that is one of the Robert Capa photos.

Here is the controversy:

http://preview.alturl.com/ruhqw

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2019 07:37 PM (ZfRYq)

83 Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 09, 2019 07:34 PM (OX6sG)
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Absolutely! Thanks for tuning in, CB.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 07:37 PM (MVjcR)

84 NZFrank, think a famous 1/2-breed semi-American said something like America will always do the right thing, after having exhausted all the alternatives.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2019 07:37 PM (QDnY+)

85 76
Was that photo from the photog whose film was later ruined in
processing, save for 11 shots? Can't recall where, one of the million
D-Day books, but thought I read that most of the still and moving film
from D-Day was consolidated and then was dropped in the drink when the
courier was transferring from a Higgins boat to a ship.


Amazing,
if true - but must have some truth - there is barely any film of D-Day.
For Iwo Jima, comparatively tiny operation, hours of footage and
thousands of photos from just the first few days.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2019 07:34 PM (QDnY+)

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Blaster referenced this.

The photographer in question was a fraud, who used some creative development techniques to make it look like it was action photos.

He came up with a b.s. story about how the film was all but ruined, etc.

Too tired and lazy to dig the story out at the moment.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 09, 2019 07:37 PM (cfSRQ)

86 I saw SPR at the movies and couldn't watch the opening battle sequence, in fact tried to also block out the sound. I recall little about the plot except the scripture quoting sniper and the last thing he saw.

Posted by: kallisto at June 09, 2019 07:38 PM (3rMal)

87 I was talking about weapons used as LMG's.

Well here I will have to disagree. The MG42 is a light machine gun. It played the squad machine gun roll.

I'm not disrespecting the Bren. It is a great LMG. Certainly the most accurate.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 07:38 PM (yQpMk)

88 82
Yes, that is one of the Robert Capa photos.



Here is the controversy:



http://preview.alturl.com/ruhqw

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2019 07:37 PM (ZfRYq)

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As I was saying...

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 09, 2019 07:38 PM (cfSRQ)

89 A Garand may be the next addition to my collection. Before the tragic boating accident in the Arizona desert, that is.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at June 09, 2019 07:38 PM (l7Kbv)

90 1911 v. Glock 21. 1911 much more pleasant to shoot with all that steel. G 21 much more accurate plus more rounds.
Prefer the 1911 to shoot, but the Glock with a light is my underwear drawer gub.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2019 07:40 PM (TmTXR)

91 Isn't that photo one of the ones from Life magazine with the guy who kinda sorta faked them? I think Insty had the link.

The film sprocket holes are the giveaway.



Robert Capa.

I don't think he so much faked those as he made up excuses for why he didn't stick on the battlefield and scooted back to London. I forget that exact part.

One of his most famous -- actually one of the most famous -- combat photographs turns out to be a complete fake. It's the Spanish partisan in the Civil War falling backward while shot.

I forget why but I dug into this a couple of months ago and Capa was a complete charlatan.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 09, 2019 07:41 PM (fuK7c)

92 The MG42 is a light machine gun.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 07:38 PM (yQpMk)

At 8mm wouldn't the MG42 be considered a medium MG?

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at June 09, 2019 07:41 PM (l7Kbv)

93 Not a lot to say, gun-wise this week.

I did not win my auction of the Wilson combat, which might be just as well as it sold for well over 2 grand. Tough to justify spending that kind of scratch on a 1911 that will only marginally outshoot my Ruger SR1911, in my hands.

I did bid on and win a 1930's vintage single shot 410 because why not. 410 is good for varmits.

Wish I could have made it to the range but I caught a cold and I've been resting and drinking OJ to stomp it flat before it flares up into bronchitis.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 09, 2019 07:42 PM (xJa6I)

94 1 I can't see how the MG42 in it's mount was that great, a Ma Deuce in a pintle mount has a much wider range.
Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2019 07:36 PM (BbGew)

As I haz both I will opine that you are utterly not right. Yes the M2 has greater range but so what? As a .50 on a veh mount is as accurate as a paint ball gun compared to a MG42 with a mount and optic. Also range was 2000 mtrs. With a .50 at 2000 mtrs you will not see most targets let alone engage effectively. If you cannot see it, you do not shoot at it, let alone miss it.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 07:42 PM (bgJ0E)

95 I'm safe. Storm will hit in about 30-45 minutes. Dog is in her kennel since she doesn't like storms. Cats are oblivious...

Posted by: lin-duh at June 09, 2019 07:42 PM (UUBmN)

96 Thanks, blaster.


Just a box of my 45ACP "self-defense simulation" ammo at the indoor range this week. I worked up a 23O grain load that seemed to have the same felt recoil as the Speer Gold Dot version, practice with that, for obvious reasons.


And was happy to find that my 1866 repro has little screws holding front and rear sights tight in their dovetails - should be easy to make the windage correction I discovered shooting a silhouette match a week ago.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2019 07:43 PM (QDnY+)

97 90 1911 v. Glock 21. 1911 much more pleasant to shoot with all that steel. G 21 much more accurate plus more rounds.
Prefer the 1911 to shoot, but the Glock with a light is my underwear drawer gub.
Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2019 07:40 PM (TmTXR)

Jah. I own both but the G21 is one of my carry guns. I wouldn't carry a 1911 in anything but an emergency. Fine home defense or car gun though.

Honestly, I enjoy shooting the g21 more. The 1911 just never fits my hand right.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 09, 2019 07:43 PM (xJa6I)

98 Blue bird may be getting it right now, the storm, that is...

Posted by: lin-duh at June 09, 2019 07:44 PM (UUBmN)

99 87 I was talking about weapons used as LMG's.

Well here I will have to disagree. The MG42 is a light machine gun. It played the squad machine gun roll.

I'm not disrespecting the Bren. It is a great LMG. Certainly the most accurate.

No its a GPMG. Not a LMG.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 07:44 PM (bgJ0E)

100 "All in the black?

*dammit. more range time needed*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 09, 2019 07:25 PM (xSo9G) "



After the emergency surgery I was not at full speed for about 6 weeks, during which time, in lieu of outdoor range time in the snow, I did a lot of dry-fire-with-penny-on-barrel/slide.
I think it actually improved my shooting slightly.
Still doing it in odd moments.

Pro-Tip:
If you are doing dry fire with your habitual carry piece, double or triple check for unloadedness !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2019 07:44 PM (a5hgv)

101 Yes, that is one of the Robert Capa photos.

Here is the controversy:

http://preview.alturl.com/ruhqw

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2019 07:37 PM (ZfRYq)
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So is it a picture of Omaha Beach? Remind me to fire the Gun Thread staff guy who is responsible for stealing online pictures.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 07:45 PM (MVjcR)

102 Does an M1A1 in .308 Winchester with a removable magazine count?

Posted by: Dan at June 09, 2019 07:45 PM (+NG5U)

103 I've shot the Garand in rifle competitions and people have been impressed that I've been able to carry, move and shoot the rifle.

Always puzzles me, because I find the rifle to be a joy to shoot and, one round center mass over two from 556 is a nice trade-off. Plus, when I hit a steel popper at 50 to 75 yards and absolutely flatten it, with accompanying sound effect, it brings a smile to my face.

As for range time, was out killing steel with my Garand a bit over a week ago and some stuff at 300 yards was giving me a nice solid "thunk" sound when I connected. And I was connecting regularly. (Was having a good day with the rifle)

Yesterday was IDPA and I am pleased to announce I put lots of holes in some nasty cardboard silhouettes and, bonus, there were a couple of stages that were strong hand only.

Overall, excellent day at the range and lots of good practice.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 09, 2019 07:45 PM (WEBkv)

104 lin-duh, Thanks, I'll send him an email shortly to make he is OK.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2019 07:46 PM (UGlAW)

105 78 .. "I hadn't heard about that. Didn't they have 35mm film in 1944?"

Weasel, 35mm film existed at the time but was not that common. It wasn't until the 1960s that it became the go to format.

Posted by: JTB at June 09, 2019 07:46 PM (bmdz3)

106 Pro-Tip:
If you are doing dry fire with your habitual carry piece, double or triple check for unloadedness !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2019 07:44 PM (a5hgv)
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Killjoy!

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 09, 2019 07:46 PM (WEBkv)

107 70 Although I have the 45 acp cartridge covered I am ashamed to say to say I don't have a 1911 at the moment. I wonder if that Rock Island version, quite inexpensive compared to a Colt, is worth getting.
Posted by: JTB at June 09, 2019 07:32 PM (bmdz3)

Jah, get the Rock Island Tac 2 (I think that's what it was). I bought one and it was surprisingly good for the price point. Like, better than guns two or 5 times as expensive.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 09, 2019 07:46 PM (xJa6I)

108 Saw a police trade-in 870 Wingmaster in amazingly good shape, and nice wood on sale for $150 over the weekend.

Let's just say it's not there anymore.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 09, 2019 07:47 PM (DMUuz)

109 I got to fire an M1 Garand once. What a great rifle. The recoil was like somebody pushing your shoulder back - rather than being a jolt. The peep sight interacts with my astigmatic eye to give me a sight picture that looks like I'm using a 2 power scope. Easy to see how we won the war with that rifle.

Posted by: An Observation at June 09, 2019 07:47 PM (JZHlH)

110 Are you are eliminating the MG42 from the category of LMG because it was crew served? Or because it is belt fed?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 07:47 PM (yQpMk)

111 Whoever was musing about getting a Rock Island 1911 - sure, why not? They're inexpensive, and I've heard good things about them. If you're getting the basic model, even better, pretty cheap, and 1911s can be "fixed" fairly easily in many cases if there's a small fit issue.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2019 07:47 PM (QDnY+)

112 Oh and watched John Wick 1 and 2 yesterday. Great gun pron movies.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 09, 2019 07:48 PM (xJa6I)

113 97 90 1911 v. Glock 21. 1911 much more pleasant to shoot with all that steel. G 21 much more accurate plus more rounds.
Prefer the 1911 to shoot, but the Glock with a light is my underwear drawer gub.
Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2019 07:40 PM (TmTXR)

Jah. I own both but the G21 is one of my carry guns. I wouldn't carry a 1911 in anything but an emergency. Fine home defense or car gun though.

Honestly, I enjoy shooting the g21 more. The 1911 just never fits my hand right.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 09, 2019 07:43 PM (xJa6I)

Uh oh. Cue up the 1911 purists carrying torches and pitchforks!

Posted by: Insomniac at June 09, 2019 07:48 PM (NWiLs)

114 As far as Saving Private Ryan goes, the beach scene was an accurate depiction give or take according to Old Pappy Eromero who landed at Omaha with the 29 Infantry Division. I will just take his word for it. Of course he was wounded 2 weeks later at St. Lo and that was it for him. And I bet a lot of those G.I.'s would have loved to be packing a G21. Heh.

Posted by: Eromero at June 09, 2019 07:48 PM (qBNEP)

115 Never shoot a large caliber man with a small caliber bullet.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2019 07:48 PM (UGlAW)

116 109 I got to fire an M1 Garand once. What a great rifle. The recoil was like somebody pushing your shoulder back - rather than being a jolt. The peep sight interacts with my astigmatic eye to give me a sight picture that looks like I'm using a 2 power scope. Easy to see how we won the war with that rifle.
Posted by: An Observation at June 09, 2019 07:47 PM (JZHlH)
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The sights on a Garand are a joy to use.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 09, 2019 07:48 PM (WEBkv)

117 There is no controversy over whether the Capa photos are from Omaha Beach.

It seems to be everything after he took the photos in dispute.

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2019 07:49 PM (ZfRYq)

118 There is no controversy over whether the Capa photos are from Omaha Beach.

It seems to be everything after he took the photos in dispute.

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2019 07:49 PM (ZfRYq)
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Gotcha. Thanks. I'm not sure I'd heard about the story before.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 07:50 PM (MVjcR)

119 Disagree. Belt fed vs box mag. No comparison. I was talking about weapons used as LMG's.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 07:35 PM (bgJ0E)

What about comparing the Lewis gun vs. the BAR?

I always thought the Lewis was a far better weapon in the same time frame but got the shaft due to politics.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 09, 2019 07:51 PM (Z+IKu)

120 Oh, by the way, the hop up parts for the Kel-tec were about $50, which is a lot on a gun that is about $225 street.

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2019 07:51 PM (ZfRYq)

121
Honestly, I enjoy shooting the g21 more. The 1911 just never fits my hand right.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 09, 2019 07:43 PM (xJa6I)

Uh oh. Cue up the 1911 purists carrying torches and pitchforks!
Posted by: Insomniac at June 09, 2019 07:48 PM (NWiLs)
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I speak fluent 1911 and unless one is willing to put in the time to get comfortable with the platform, I would recommend the Glock every single time.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 09, 2019 07:52 PM (WEBkv)

122 MAE, the only time I actually carry a .45 is in the woods, and the 1911 goes along. Makes no sense, but it feels right on my hip. If 8 rounds of .45 won't stop a black bear, I guess I'm f***ed.
Of course, if I was out in your PNW woods, something in .454 Casull would be my choice. Which I don't have. Even before the Great Canoe Disaster.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2019 07:52 PM (TmTXR)

123 I dislike both Glocks and 1911s.

And having said that, I'm going to crash for the night. It's been a long weekend.

Thanks again, Weasel.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 09, 2019 07:54 PM (cfSRQ)

124 "106 Pro-Tip:
If you are doing dry fire with your habitual carry piece, double or triple check for unloadedness !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2019 07:44 PM (a5hgv)
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Killjoy!

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 09, 2019 07:46 PM (WEBkv) "



In the last move I got rid of the bookcase with the accidental-discharge-hole that occurred about the same time I truly got religion about checking every time.
I thought I was good on that before, but I was mistaken (once).

(But I was sure the cylinder was empty !)

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2019 07:54 PM (a5hgv)

125 113 97 90 1911 v. Glock 21. 1911 much more pleasant to shoot with all that steel. G 21 much more accurate plus more rounds.
Prefer the 1911 to shoot, but the Glock with a light is my underwear drawer gub.
Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2019 07:40 PM (TmTXR)

Jah. I own both but the G21 is one of my carry guns. I wouldn't carry a 1911 in anything but an emergency. Fine home defense or car gun though.

Honestly, I enjoy shooting the g21 more. The 1911 just never fits my hand right.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 09, 2019 07:43 PM (xJa6I)

Uh oh. Cue up the 1911 purists carrying torches and pitchforks!
Posted by: Insomniac at June 09, 2019 07:48 PM (NWiLs)

They're always carrying torches and pitchforks. Nothing new there

I KNOW there are guys who carry 1911's. I've met, um, one. But in general...there's just better choices for carry and self defense.

I need to do a shoot off with my Ruger P90 and the SR1911, see which works better. Maybe next week.

You and the Nurse have a good weekend next week, too!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 09, 2019 07:54 PM (xJa6I)

126 82 Yes, that is one of the Robert Capa photos.

Here is the controversy:

http://preview.alturl.com/ruhqw

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2019 07:37 PM (ZfRYq)


That's a fascinating article. It was linked here in the sidebar sometime back.

Why, it's almost as if Fake News is not a recent invention.

Posted by: rickl at June 09, 2019 07:54 PM (sdi6R)

127 blake, same for me [using a Garand in matches, or actually also a Mosin] - spotters are required for all the guys [most] shooting those little black plastic things, because the rice or BBs or whatever it is they shoot barely moves the 175 and 2OO yd steel - can be hard to call hits. For mine - loud thud, plates jump back, hit the roof of the shelter.


For me, the problem is when the course of fire requires each steel twice - things are still swinging by the time I get back to them, moving targets.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2019 07:54 PM (QDnY+)

128 Thanks again, Weasel.


Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 09, 2019 07:54 PM (cfSRQ)
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You bet, AHL. 'night!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 07:55 PM (MVjcR)

129 Speaking of firearms... blue on blue over gun laws between Jake Fapper and Chuckles Johnson...
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/
1137750394501775361

Posted by: andycanuck at June 09, 2019 07:56 PM (Dh1wo)

130 Dumb question.

Why wouldn't regular infrantry be better carrying the much lighter carbine than the full M-1. Did accuracy matter that much? I'd rather carry more bullets.

Posted by: Zombie Meatloaf at June 09, 2019 07:56 PM (1UZdv)

131 In the last move I got rid of the bookcase with the accidental-discharge-hole that occurred about the same time I truly got religion about checking every time.
I thought I was good on that before, but I was mistaken (once).

(But I was sure the cylinder was empty !)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2019 07:54 PM (a5hgv)
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Heh. Reminds me of the time I had my son's rifle in the gun safe, accidentally bumped the trigger and it went "click." I stopped shaking after a bit. I honestly don't remember if I put it in the safe with it cocked after checking to see if it was clear or if my son gave it to me that way and I was foolish enough not to check.

Either way, I lost a few years off my life.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 09, 2019 07:57 PM (WEBkv)

132 blake, same for me [using a Garand in matches, or actually also a Mosin] - spotters are required for all the guys [most] shooting those little black plastic things, because the rice or BBs or whatever it is they shoot barely moves the 175 and 2OO yd steel - can be hard to call hits. For mine - loud thud, plates jump back, hit the roof of the shelter.

For me, the problem is when the course of fire requires each steel twice - things are still swinging by the time I get back to them, moving targets.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2019 07:54 PM (QDnY+)
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HA! Same thing happens when we're shooting automatic weapons at the farm... can't use steel suspended by chain.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 07:57 PM (MVjcR)

133 Although I'm lost in many of the conversations here. I wind up googling a lot f guns which is very enjoyable.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 09, 2019 07:57 PM (OX6sG)

134 We had a mini-gun thread earlier today. It's a good day when you get to have two gun threads.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 07:57 PM (yQpMk)

135 82 Yes, that is one of the Robert Capa photos.

Here is the controversy:

http://preview.alturl.com/ruhqw
Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2019 07:37 PM (ZfRYq)

Holy hell, that writer needs an editor.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 09, 2019 07:57 PM (NWiLs)

136 Why wouldn't regular infrantry be better carrying the much lighter carbine than the full M-1. Did accuracy matter that much? I'd rather carry more bullets.
Posted by: Zombie Meatloaf at June 09, 2019 07:56 PM (1UZdv)


The decision parameters for the M16 in a nutshell.

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2019 07:58 PM (ZfRYq)

137 "Why wouldn't regular infrantry be better carrying the much lighter carbine than the full M-1. "

30.06. Range, accuracy, power.

Posted by: PETA PETA PUMPKIN EATA at June 09, 2019 07:58 PM (UdKB7)

138 Glocks are cheap, they work, they are dependable and they are easy to operate. No wonder Glock sells so many of them. To people like me.

Posted by: Eromero at June 09, 2019 07:58 PM (qBNEP)

139 Dumb question.

Why wouldn't regular infrantry be better carrying the much lighter carbine than the full M-1. Did accuracy matter that much? I'd rather carry more bullets.

Posted by: Zombie Meatloaf at June 09, 2019 07:56 PM (1UZdv)
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I think it's because the .30 Carbine round lacks the wallop of the .30-'06.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 07:59 PM (MVjcR)

140 One funny detail about the faked Spanish Civil War photo: Capa and his girlfriend were running all over the place being young revolutionaries full of romanticism. Transport to combat zones was near impossible.

They got lucky, in a story I read, in that they showed up in the combat town during the lunchtime lull in hostilities.

That's right, the Spanish Civil War broke for siestas.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 09, 2019 07:59 PM (fuK7c)

141 Garand is very fun to shoot. Reloading is a must, unless your oil well is a gusher, though. Why I don't mind the time put into reloading the ammo for the M1. My favorite gun, probably. Boss loves the carbine [really a perfect rifle for women], as do I. I still want to find a WWII 3-gun shoot [tho I lack the trench broom shotgun].

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2019 07:59 PM (QDnY+)

142 We had a mini-gun thread earlier today. It's a good day when you get to have two gun threads.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 07:57 PM (yQpMk)


Miniguns!

I ain't got time to bleed!

Posted by: blaster at June 09, 2019 07:59 PM (ZfRYq)

143 110 Are you are eliminating the MG42 from the category of LMG because it was crew served? Or because it is belt fed?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 07:47 PM (yQpMk)

Both. The MG34 and its predecessor the MG42 were considered the first General Purpose MGs as they can be used in a variety of roles. The way guns are defined is by their role not the weight. The Bren loaded was only 2 pounds lighter than a MG42.
e.g.A Vickers gun is defined as a medium mg due to role. Not because its medium in weight as they are relatively heavy.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 08:00 PM (bgJ0E)

144 "108 Saw a police trade-in 870 Wingmaster in amazingly good shape, and nice wood on sale for $150 over the weekend.

Let's just say it's not there anymore.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 09, 2019 07:47 PM (DMUuz)



Great buy !
Bought one of those myself, years ago,.
On public ranges, the (eastern state)State Police engraved receiver often gets a stare or two ... used to scandalize the Lincoln Park Gun Club (when it existed) when I used it to shoot skeet (folding stock, 8-round tube).

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2019 08:00 PM (a5hgv)

145 Why wouldn't regular infrantry be better carrying the much lighter carbine than the full M-1.


Because that's what we had. Ditto 30-06. Plus, in the interwar years the Army was still thinking about shooting people at a thousand yards. You would have thought that WWI would have been enough to persuade them otherwise.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 08:00 PM (yQpMk)

146 You and the Nurse have a good weekend next week, too!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 09, 2019 07:54 PM (xJa6I)

Thanks Mark, I'm sure we will! And stamp out that cold. Have you tried the zinc lozenge thing and/or echinacea?

Posted by: Insomniac at June 09, 2019 08:01 PM (NWiLs)

147 I haven't commented on the gun thread in a few weeks, but I've spent my time filling a few holes in the .32 collection.

I've acquired a 1914 Mauser, like new in the box, and marked "Made in Germany" engraved on the top of the barrel (for export to the US);

- an Ortgies, like new in the box (with the English language instruction booklet included with export models)

and (finally, after a long search), an excellent factory "bright" nickel Ortgies with the fire-blued fiddly bits and trigger; I had found the more uncommon matte nickel version earlier. They have "strawed" fiddly bits and trigger.

Posted by: retropox at June 09, 2019 08:01 PM (glyqi)

148 There is exactly one semiauto centerfire rifle that interests me: the Garand. It is history, it is to honor the brave men who carried them in peril, and the thing is just a pleasure to shoot. It takes the sting out of 30-06 recoil. And it magically makes a lot of shooters better marksmen with its accuracy.

Bless the CMP for making them available at a reasonable price.

Posted by: JTB at June 09, 2019 08:02 PM (bmdz3)

149 We were kids. friend of mine came back form hunting fowl with 12 ga. Leaned it up against the garage. Started shooting baskets in the driveway and when he turned around with the ball under his arm his little sister was among the gun at him with her finger on the trigger. Was aiming center mass and veered to the ball last second. Shot it right from under his arm. He almost puked even retelling the story to me.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 09, 2019 08:02 PM (OX6sG)

150 Both. The MG34 and its predecessor the MG42 were considered the first General Purpose MGs as they can be used in a variety of roles. The way guns are defined is by their role not the weight.


I don't disagree with any of this except that I would think that the widespread use of the MG42 in the LMG role of squad machine gun would make it one.

The Germans didn't have anything else for that, did they?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 08:03 PM (yQpMk)

151 and its predecessor the MG42 . Descendant dammit.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 08:03 PM (bgJ0E)

152 146 You and the Nurse have a good weekend next week, too!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 09, 2019 07:54 PM (xJa6I)

Thanks Mark, I'm sure we will! And stamp out that cold. Have you tried the zinc lozenge thing and/or echinacea?
Posted by: Insomniac at June 09, 2019 08:01 PM (NWiLs)

I went with OJ and those Airborne tablets. That, plus a lot of sleep, seems to be doing the trick.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 09, 2019 08:03 PM (xJa6I)

153 That multi-tool is fascinating. I can't even begin to imagine how you could use it. And it must be heavy as all get out.

I clicked on the link to read about it, and then wandered off on rabbit trails of other links at the site. i read about a cloud lamp that simulates a thunderstorm (want), the Haiku Stairs on Oahu (would have liked to know about those when I was younger), and piecaken, which sounded fascinating but turned out to be rather disgusting.

Great gun thread, Weasel, with something for everyone!

Posted by: bluebell at June 09, 2019 08:03 PM (aXucN)

154 I went to the range several times this week. Checked-out a bunch of new and already-had pistols, in prep for friend coming to town who has never shot a pistol and wants to.

Shot the following (30-60 rounds each, just for a quick gun and magazines function check; no malfunctions on any):

KelTec P3AT .380, w/Crimson Trace LaserGrip (new).
Sig P365 (new).
Sig 1911 .45 ACP TacOps (new).
Sig P320-M17, with Leupold DeltaPoint Pro red-dot sight (new).
Sig P226, .357 Sig.
Sig P229, .357 Sig, w/Crimson Trace LaserGrip.
Rock Island Armory 1911A (the bare-bones model) (new).

Notes:
The P3AT is small and light and accurate, but has a looooong trigger pull. Takes getting used to.

I bought the Sig 1911 TacOps based on recommendations in Gun Threads a few months ago. I had doubts as I dry-fired it. Trigger (Model 80-type, with firing pin block) had noticeable take-up and felt gritty at the end of it. Front-strap checkering felt much too 'aggressive'. When I shot it, I did not notice either. Felt good, shoots good Thanks to those who recommended it. I may buy one in 10mm.

I tried-out a Crimson Trace rail-mount laser on the Sig 1911. I'm going to remove it. It would not hold alignment, although I torqued the screws pretty danged good. I think the problem is the plastic rails combined with .45 ACP recoil.

The Sig P365 is sweet!

Sorry for such a long post.

Posted by: Gref at June 09, 2019 08:03 PM (AMIL/)

155 "They're always carrying torches and pitchforks. Nothing new there"

This is true.

Used to keep a torch and pitchfork in the corner behind the front door until Mrs Eez objected.
But then I replaced them with a (repro) Sempach halberd ...


And frankly, we are way beyond torch-and-pitchfork territory these days ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2019 08:04 PM (a5hgv)

156 and if we are going by roles rather than characteristics, isn't the M1919 a LMG, albeit a very heavy one.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 08:05 PM (yQpMk)

157 Other 30-06 chat. After shooting the Big Dipper last week with my Savage Axis boltie, I spent this afternoon reloading the same M1 brass for seating depth.
"Seating depth" always sounds sort of dirty. Maybe that's why I like reloading.
"Come on, girl. We're gonna try it .003 deeper!"

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2019 08:05 PM (TmTXR)

158 130 Dumb question.

Why wouldn't regular infrantry be better carrying the much lighter carbine than the full M-1. Did accuracy matter that much? I'd rather carry more bullets.
Posted by: Zombie Meatloaf at June 09, 2019 07:56 PM (1UZdv)
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Old school army thought in terms of engagements out to 300 yards or more.

However, once it was discovered combat ranges took place at, say 50 yards or so, it was then decided the infantry could use an intermediate cartridge.

Which brought about the AR platform.

Side note: Garand was really ahead of his time, because the Garand was supposed to be chambered for the .276 Pederson, an intermediate cartridge itself and, the rifle would have then held 10 rounds.

*take with a grain of salt, this is just off the top of my head.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 09, 2019 08:05 PM (WEBkv)

159 Posted by: retropox at June 09, 2019 08:01 PM (glyqi)
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Howdy retropox! Congratulations!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 08:05 PM (MVjcR)

160 I went with OJ and those Airborne tablets. That, plus a lot of sleep, seems to be doing the trick.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 09, 2019 08:03 PM (xJa6I)

Glad to hear it. Airborne is good stuff.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 09, 2019 08:05 PM (NWiLs)

161 What's with all this gun talk? Don't you know the Tony Awards are on?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 09, 2019 08:06 PM (fuK7c)

162 89 A Garand may be the next addition to my collection. Before the tragic boating accident in the Arizona desert, that is.

I'm also in the high AZ desert.
huh.
morons are everywhere.

Posted by: retropox at June 09, 2019 08:06 PM (glyqi)

163
The Germans didn't have anything else for that, did they?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 08:03 PM (yQpMk)

Yep, MG13. Also took all the 8mm VB30 LMG's (called them the T model) they could take and kept on making the Czechs make them until the BRNO factory was overrun later in the war.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 08:06 PM (bgJ0E)

164 I met the late Civil War gunsmith and WWII vehicle curator Mike Yeck on several occasions. Needless to say, a wonderful guy, and Private Ryan really got him going. He would pick out the damnedest little details, that a film fan would almost never notice, and drum it to death how grating these were to somebody who'd actually gone in on a beach.

One that stuck with me was the "turkey hunter T-shirt." In a couple of frames of SPR, soldiers are wearing standard Army khakis, with a little triangle of standard white T-shirt showing at the open collar. If your first sergeant had ever found a white T-shirt in your bivouac bag, you'd have spent the rest of the war peeling potatoes. You weren't allowed to own one, and that little triangle would have been a sniper target until half an hour after twilight.


Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 09, 2019 08:06 PM (8ZmvG)

165 I think the gun thread and Saturday morning coffee thread are the only two that stay on topic. Ok, It was only once for the coffee thread...

Posted by: lin-duh at June 09, 2019 08:08 PM (UUBmN)

166 Posted by: bluebell at June 09, 2019 08:03 PM (aXucN)
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Thanks bluebell! Hope it wasn't your trigger finger that you chopped off!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 08:08 PM (MVjcR)

167 I think the .276 Pederson is considered a full power rifle cartridge. It's as long as a 308. Just smaller around.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 08:09 PM (yQpMk)

168 Nope, Weasel, don't worry - other hand.

Posted by: bluebell at June 09, 2019 08:09 PM (aXucN)

169 Yep, MG13. Also took all the 8mm VB30 LMG's (called them the T model) they could take and kept on making the Czechs make them until the BRNO factory was overrun later in the war.


Thanks for the info. I'll do some reading up.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 08:10 PM (yQpMk)

170 I forget why but I dug into this a couple of months ago and Capa was a complete charlatan.
Posted by: Bandersnatch
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I've always suspected that Uncle Billy didn't actually 'lose' the money.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 09, 2019 08:10 PM (xSo9G)

171 Sorry for such a long post.

Posted by: Gref at June 09, 2019 08:03 PM (AMIL/)
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Don't you worry, Gref. Great comments! Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 08:10 PM (MVjcR)

172 6 and if we are going by roles rather than characteristics, isn't the M1919 a LMG, albeit a very heavy one.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at Jun

That gun was considered a platoon or company weapon. Not a section ( squad ) weapon. Did every squad have a M1919 or a M1917? Please if you have the chance read Chins books on the Machine Gun.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 08:10 PM (bgJ0E)

173 As lond as it wasn't a .30 cal Pederson Device !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2019 08:11 PM (a5hgv)

174 Bete doesn't need monetary donations at this time, but if you'd like to offer emotional support and tell the guy "hello", here is his CaringBridge link:

https://www.caringbridge.org/visit/johnrose3

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Town Drunk at June 09, 2019 08:11 PM (Ckg4U)

175 Do I need to order clay pigeons with pink centers for the MoMe?

Posted by: Ben Had at June 09, 2019 08:11 PM (UGlAW)

176 We were kids. friend of mine came back form hunting fowl with 12 ga. Leaned it up against the garage. Started shooting baskets in the driveway and when he turned around with the ball under his arm his little sister was among the gun at him with her finger on the trigger. Was aiming center mass and veered to the ball last second. Shot it right from under his arm. He almost puked even retelling the story to me.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 09, 2019 08:02 PM (OX6sG)
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Holy crap.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 08:11 PM (MVjcR)

177 I've always suspected that Uncle Billy didn't actually 'lose' the money.


*whoosh*

Missed that reference by a lot. Wut?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 09, 2019 08:12 PM (fuK7c)

178 Yesterday, at the Flagstaff gun show (a pretty small beans affair), a guy had a Broomhandle Mauser, all matching serials, in very nice condition, with an original wood stock/holster (but a somewhat lower serial). Even had a box of .30 cal Mauser ammo in stripper clips.

For $750

Didn't buy it to flip it.

Probably should have, huh?
Seeing as how it was worth about 3X that...

Posted by: retropox at June 09, 2019 08:12 PM (glyqi)

179 LET'S GO BLUES!!!

Posted by: Tami at June 09, 2019 08:13 PM (cF8AT)

180 170 I forget why but I dug into this a couple of months ago and Capa was a complete charlatan.
Posted by: Bandersnatch
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I've always suspected that Uncle Billy didn't actually 'lose' the money.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 09, 2019 08:10 PM (xSo9G)

Are you saying he was colluding with Mr. Potter?

Posted by: Insomniac at June 09, 2019 08:13 PM (NWiLs)

181 retropox - you continue to amaze. True collecting. Actually was wondering if you'd show in last week's thread, and what exotic .32 you'd have acquired.


blake, I think you're right - MacArthur his own self, then Army chief of staff, decided to switch to 3O-O6 because .... inter-war Army was broke, but had a zillion rounds of that caliber in stock.


And I think in the Pacific in some situations the carbine was popular because engagement ranges could be very short [no visibility in heavy foliage], few built-up areas with cover [Garand shoots through many walls and other objects], and, weight - in tropical conditions.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2019 08:13 PM (QDnY+)

182 A Garand may be the next addition to my collection. Before the tragic boating accident in the Arizona desert, that is.

I'm also in the high AZ desert.
huh.
morons are everywhere.

Posted by: retropox at June 09, 2019 08:06 PM (glyqi)
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If you get one, I'm willing to bet you won't be disappointed!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 08:13 PM (MVjcR)

183 Please check-in to say "hello" to my friend, John.

https://www.caringbridge.org/visit/johnrose3

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Town Drunk at June 09, 2019 08:13 PM (Ckg4U)

184 "As a .50 on a veh mount is as accurate as a paint ball gun compared to a MG42 with a mount and optic."

Using a .50 on a tripod mount and no optics, on a moving ship in normal seas, I hit a weather balloon (about 7 ft in diameter) laying on the water about 500 yards away, with my first burst of 5 rounds.
Lucky as hell I guess.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at June 09, 2019 08:14 PM (DjIXP)

185 I had the opportunity to shoot a M1 WW2 vintage a couple years ago. Ft Knox range. Very sweet. Lovely furniture.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 09, 2019 08:15 PM (3H9h1)

186 Boy928 wants a Garand rifle. He currently has no rifles. I have tried to convince him that, as fun as the M1 is, and despite the fact that I am a 30 caliber gun, if you are going to have only one rifle, I don't see how you beat the American Sporting Rifle, the AR15.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 08:17 PM (yQpMk)

187 Thanks, rhomboid. I'm trying...

My .32 focus made me walk away from the Broomhandle. I was proud of myself.

...then muttered "asshole!" to myself all the way home.

But my honor of "no speculating" was intact.
So I got that going for me.

Posted by: retropox at June 09, 2019 08:17 PM (glyqi)

188 Procured a C&R license in Krazyfornia. Other than random searches on the interwebs for C&R dealers, can anyone direct me to a resource for reliable (ie, reasonably honest) dealers? Are there books on the art of C&R collecing?

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 09, 2019 08:17 PM (gSgAd)

189 "131 In the last move I got rid of the bookcase with the accidental-discharge-hole that occurred about the same time I truly got religion about checking every time.
I thought I was good on that before, but I was mistaken (once).

(But I was sure the cylinder was empty !)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2019 07:54 PM (a5hgv)
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Heh. Reminds me of the time I had my son's rifle in the gun safe, accidentally bumped the trigger and it went "click." I stopped shaking after a bit. I honestly don't remember if I put it in the safe with it cocked after checking to see if it was clear or if my son gave it to me that way and I was foolish enough not to check.

Either way, I lost a few years off my life.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 09, 2019 07:57 PM (WEBkv) "



Ouch.

Had one of those, and not too long ago ... the bookcase-hole was like 35 years ago.
Moved Mama D'Eez's 20 gauge (apparently) without checking it - found it with one up the spout when I unpacked.

Ouch.

We can ALWAYS improve our gun safety, at least at Chateau D'Eez.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2019 08:17 PM (a5hgv)

190 What about comparing the Lewis gun vs. the BAR?

I always thought the Lewis was a far better weapon in the same time frame but got the shaft due to politics.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 09, 2019 07:51 PM (Z+IKu)

Time wise more similar than Bren/BAR comparisons. I do not own a Lewis, but am in line for one and have fired them in .303. The problem is that the Lewis is a true early squad weapon (LMG) albeit without a quick change barrel option as it is a machine gun, whereas the BAR is rifle. It says so on the tin. Browning Automatic Rifle. The Lewis has better firepower but I would say the BAR wins the reliability stakes.
My point was to say that the US tried to make a rifle a LMG when by WWII proper LMG's were available. Hence my suggestion that a .30-06 version Bren would have been great compared to the BAR.


Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 08:18 PM (bgJ0E)

191 I'm going to correct you and hope you never make such a silly statement again.

The M1 fires a 30-06 cartridge from an 8-round INTERNAL MAGAZINE which is loaded by inserting an 8-round EN BLOC CLIP.

Please, please don't ever get it wrong again.

Thanks.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at June 09, 2019 08:18 PM (+Kpte)

192 Always check, re-check and check again to make sure a firearm is unloaded.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 09, 2019 08:19 PM (NWiLs)

193 MG13?

Galland in his custom Bf109F-2s replaced the cowl mounted 7mm machine guns with MG13s because he thought the 7mm machine guns combined with the 15mm cannon firing through the propeller as too lightly armed.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 09, 2019 08:19 PM (kr/v5)

194 If you wore white undershorts, it was called a "knob-gobbler", at least in my unit!

Posted by: shep smith at June 09, 2019 08:19 PM (Dh1wo)

195 And most paratroopers landed in Normandy with the M1 rifle and not the M1 carbine. The M1 carbine was primarily issued to troops who manned crew-served weapons like mortars and machine guns and officers.

These are rookie mistakes. Seriously.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at June 09, 2019 08:20 PM (+Kpte)

196 Wow, retro, had no idea those things were worth that much.


M1919, my favorite WWII machine gun [belt-fed]. Just a personal preference thing. PPsh-41 and Thompson in the sub-MG category.


Based only on WWII photos/film footage, seems the favorite enemy weapons in Europe were:


* PPsh-41 - for Germans on the eastern front [and obviously they captured enormous numbers, and ammo, in 1941

* M-1 carbine for Germans on the western front

* MP-4O, for the Red Army - and obviously beginning late '42 they began capturing those in decent quantities

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2019 08:21 PM (QDnY+)

197 The Capra D-Day link was in the side-bar. Completely fishy that mess was, Capra was a fraud.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 09, 2019 08:21 PM (kr/v5)

198 Side note: Garand was really ahead of his time, because the Garand was supposed to be chambered for the .276 Pederson, an intermediate cartridge itself and, the rifle would have then held 10 rounds.

*take with a grain of salt, this is just off the top of my head.


Yes, that's right. IIRC, it was Pershing who said basically "We have a billion rounds of .30 in inventory; make it in .30."

I have two M1s, my "one per lifetime" DCM rifle and a friend's DCM rifle that I'm fostering. Had another that I sold cheap during an extended stretch of funemployment. Man, I regret that.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 09, 2019 08:22 PM (7vuWe)

199
Using a .50 on a tripod mount and no optics, on a moving ship in normal seas, I hit a weather balloon (about 7 ft in diameter) laying on the water about 500 yards away, with my first burst of 5 rounds.
Lucky as hell I guess.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at June 0


So what you are saying is you are Navy.........

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 08:22 PM (bgJ0E)

200 These are rookie mistakes. Seriously.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at June 09, 2019 08:20 PM (+Kpte)
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OK! Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 08:23 PM (MVjcR)

201 193 MG13?

Galland in his custom Bf109F-2s replaced the cowl mounted 7mm machine guns with MG13s because he thought the 7mm machine guns combined with the 15mm cannon firing through the propeller as too lightly armed.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 09, 2019 08:19 PM (kr/v5)

Yep think a funny MG34 with side mount box mags instead of belt feed/top cover. I am looking at a pair of the mags as I write.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 08:25 PM (bgJ0E)

202 I see Rhomboid beat me to the comment and I think he's right that it was Mac, not Pershing.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 09, 2019 08:25 PM (7vuWe)

203 Procured a C&R license in Krazyfornia. Other than random searches on the interwebs for C&R dealers, can anyone direct me to a resource for reliable (ie, reasonably honest) dealers? Are there books on the art of C&R collecing?


I've never thought about the FFL03 in terms of C&R Dealers. When I had one, I used it to purchase C&R firearms from whoever had one to sell. Some from other C&R holders but others from AIM or Classic or SOG.

I hate that SOG got out of the actual firearms game. They had some great deals.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 08:26 PM (yQpMk)

204 .30 carbine round always seemed to me like a decent semiauto pistol round that had lost its way.

Yes, I know the carbine was supposed to replace the pistol, but still ...

think of a 1911 reworked to hold about 15 rounds of .30 carbine ...

oo

oo

moe, larry, oo, oo !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2019 08:26 PM (a5hgv)

205 EBshade, if you mean C ampersand R vendors, there are many, online, and in meat-space. For local/CA resources, check the C and R sub-forum on CalGuns. Online, many - "reliable" is hard to define - they all seem pretty good, the quality of the goods varies a lot, but that's the nature of the game -


Classic Firearms [NC]
J and G sales [AZ]
AIM surplus [OH]

And several more.


What do you intend to collect? Era, type, etc.



Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2019 08:27 PM (QDnY+)

206 ...if you are going to have only one rifle,...

Wut?!?

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 09, 2019 08:28 PM (7vuWe)

207 ...if you are going to have only one rifle,...

Wut?!?



Not everyone buys them in pairs like we do.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 08:28 PM (yQpMk)

208 Weasel, your patience and forbearance are olympian.



Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2019 08:30 PM (QDnY+)

209 196 Wow, retro, had no idea those things were worth that much.

Prussian Eagle marked 1896 Broomhandle Mauser that is slotted for the wood-holster-that-is-also-a-stock are pretty damn rare. And expensive.

...but not my focus, and I'm claim no expertise, so buying it would have been bad judgement.

My hard learned lesson the last few years, is only collect what you know.

Posted by: retropox at June 09, 2019 08:31 PM (glyqi)

210 if you are going to have only one rifle

Arrrrgh! A blunderbuss!

Posted by: A Pirate at June 09, 2019 08:31 PM (EgshT)

211 " ...if you are going to have only one rifle,... "


Not sure if that's heresy or treason ...



says the guy with two AR's and an old Swedish Mauser ...

SCOTUS would probably say I lack standing.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2019 08:32 PM (a5hgv)

212 Sometime I worry about me. (Okay, I very often worry about me.) I've been looking into casual longer distance target shooting with different calibers. I didn't even give a thought to using the Garand. D'uh!!

I've only used commercial or surplus ammo in the Garand. Time to investigate hand loads for it. Should be easy to meet the pressure limitations.

Posted by: JTB at June 09, 2019 08:32 PM (bmdz3)

213 ...if you are going to have only one rifle,...

Wut?!?
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 09, 2019 08:28 PM (7vuWe)

Well, it's true you can really only carry one rifle.
If the coming festivities actually arrive, I think America's Modern Sporting Rifle will be the weapon of choice.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2019 08:32 PM (TmTXR)

214 My point was to say that the US tried to make a rifle a LMG when by WWII proper LMG's were available. Hence my suggestion that a .30-06 version Bren would have been great compared to the BAR.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 08:18 PM (bgJ0E)

Ok, Thanks!

A .30-O6 Bren would have been a fine addition to the US arsenal but back then each nation tended to look to itself for weapons and ammo supply unlike today.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 09, 2019 08:33 PM (Z+IKu)

215 I've only used commercial or surplus ammo in the Garand. Time to investigate hand loads for it. Should be easy to meet the pressure limitations.
Posted by: JTB at June 09, 2019 08:32 PM (bmdz3)
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Hornady makes a 169 Grain "Match Round" for the Garand.

It's not cheap, as you can imagine. Seems to shoot very well, though.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 09, 2019 08:33 PM (WEBkv)

216 And, before I fade out, thanks, (as always) Weasel, for hosting My Favorite Thread !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2019 08:33 PM (a5hgv)

217 Holy crap.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 08:11 PM (MVjcR)

In hind sight it may have only been a 16 ga.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 09, 2019 08:33 PM (OX6sG)

218 EBshade, what Grump said [adding to what I said].


In CA, find out the rules - they have changed - for private C and R sales, etc.


The better out of state online vendors will honor the C and R/COE combo, so you can still enjoy the best part of it all - home delivery directly to your door, the Brown Truck of Happiness bearing arms [got my old UPS driver into Mosins, when they were dirt cheap].



Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2019 08:34 PM (QDnY+)

219 Correct. The problem was it was a WWI design and manufacture and by the start of the 1920's the LMG concept was sorted (quick change barrel, top mount mag, etc) and started to be put into practice. By WWII for US forces to use it was crazy as there were proven practicable alternates. But 'Merica.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 07:33 PM (bgJ0E)

The US was a little pinched for money for new weapons after 1929.

That's probably also the reason MacArthur nixed the .276 and told Springfield Arsenal to produce a .30-06 semi-auto rifle. Lots of .30-06 ammo in stock, already paid for.

Posted by: Gref at June 09, 2019 08:34 PM (AMIL/)

220 Of course, rookies like Weasel may have to do overwatch with something with a bit more oomph.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2019 08:34 PM (TmTXR)

221 If the coming festivities actually arrive, I think America's Modern Sporting Rifle will be the weapon of choice.
Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2019 08:32 PM (TmTXR)
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Eh, I'll just use the Garand to collect a Modern Sporting Rifle.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 09, 2019 08:34 PM (WEBkv)

222 I've loved every pistol I've owned, but for the Beretta.

But nothing is like a 1911. That's a special thing.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 09, 2019 08:35 PM (5aX2M)

223
Hornady makes a 169 Grain "Match Round" for the Garand.

It's not cheap, as you can imagine. Seems to shoot very well, though.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 09, 2019 08:33 PM (WEBkv)
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Crap. 168 grain round.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 09, 2019 08:35 PM (WEBkv)

224 I only have one rifle.

I denounce myself.

It's an 1890 Winchester .22 pump action.

Not going to be alot of help in Civil War 2.0, am I?

Posted by: retropox at June 09, 2019 08:35 PM (glyqi)

225 If the coming festivities actually arrive, I think America's Modern Sporting Rifle will be the weapon of choice.


I try to comfort myself with the thought that, if I need one, there will be plenty laying on the ground.



H/T Sgt. Maj. Basil L. Plumley

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 08:35 PM (yQpMk)

226 A blunderbuss with a duck-foot pistol, matey! (Or a Nock volley-gun!)

Posted by: andycanuck at June 09, 2019 08:35 PM (Dh1wo)

227 It's an 1890 Winchester .22 pump action.

Not going to be alot of help in Civil War 2.0, am I?
Posted by: retropox at June 09, 2019 08:35 PM (glyqi)

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First rule of a gun fight? Bring a gun.

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 09, 2019 08:36 PM (WEBkv)

228 It's an 1890 Winchester .22 pump action. Not going to be alot of help in Civil War 2.0, am I?

Well, there's always the foraging detail. An army's gotta eat.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 09, 2019 08:37 PM (EgshT)

229 I read that those who carried the Thompson tossed the drum as soon as it was empty in preference to the stick magazine.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 09, 2019 08:37 PM (O1adx)

230 "But nothing is like a 1911. That's a special thing.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 09, 2019 08:35 PM (5aX2M) "


Truth.

Only gun I can field strip with my head in a paper bag, just to name one of its awesome qualities.

In the winter I carry one sometimes, with the added concealment of winter clothing. Nothing like it.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2019 08:38 PM (a5hgv)

231 I do have a set of upper and lower AR receivers that I will build out one day.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 08:38 PM (yQpMk)

232 229 I read that those who carried the Thompson tossed the drum as soon as it was empty in preference to the stick magazine.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 09, 2019 08:37 PM (O1adx)

Same. Drums like to jam. Mags like to work.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 09, 2019 08:39 PM (pUDQf)

233 But then, sometimes in the winter I put the 629 snubby in the shoulder rig and carry that.

A form of madness, well, except in bear country.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2019 08:39 PM (a5hgv)

234 Well, the storm is here. Raining like hell and windy as all get out....

Posted by: lin-duh at June 09, 2019 08:39 PM (UUBmN)

235 OK.... a hypothetical for everyone.

If you could get a bright red baseball cap that said "LOL Get F*cked" on it, would you want it?

Posted by: shibumi at June 09, 2019 08:39 PM (sktRI)

236 Weasel, a request for a future gun thread topic:

What's your barrel cleaning process and materials?

And how clean is clean enough, when it comes to copper deposits?

(I've only found about 3.6 million different opinions on those topics on the InterWebs!)

Thanks!

Posted by: Gref at June 09, 2019 08:40 PM (AMIL/)

237 I've only used commercial or surplus ammo in the Garand. Time to investigate hand loads for it. Should be easy to meet the pressure limitations.


Posted by: JTB at June 09, 2019 08:32 PM (bmdz3)
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JTB - drop me a line tomorrow and we can discuss loads for the Garand.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 08:40 PM (MVjcR)

238 Posted by: retropox at June 09, 2019 08:35 PM (glyqi)
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Depends on how well you shoot it.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 09, 2019 08:40 PM (O1adx)

239 First rule of a gun fight? Bring a gun.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman

I can outfit the entire Moron company with
nice .32 sidearms, if that's a help.

...for shooting mewling SJW's writhing about with flesh wounds, or for herding them onto the trains, etc. And all the other standard .32 uses... ; you never know when you might want conserve rifle ammo when it's time to correct a collaborator.

Posted by: retropox at June 09, 2019 08:41 PM (glyqi)

240 235 OK.... a hypothetical for everyone.

If you could get a bright red baseball cap that said "LOL Get F*cked" on it, would you want it?
Posted by: shibumi at June 09, 2019 08:39 PM (sktRI)

OK, I have to ask... Does it actually say "LOL Get Fucked" or "LOL Get F*cked" with an asterisk taking the place of the letter "u"?

Posted by: Insomniac at June 09, 2019 08:41 PM (NWiLs)

241


Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2019 08:30 PM (QDnY+)
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thanks bro!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 08:41 PM (MVjcR)

242 Arrr, a Nock volley-pistol with a switchblade bayonet under the barrel.

O that weird whatchmacallit that J E B Stuart carried ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2019 08:42 PM (a5hgv)

243 216 And, before I fade out, thanks, (as always) Weasel, for hosting My Favorite Thread !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2019 08:33 PM (a5hgv)
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My pleasure, sock rat!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 08:43 PM (MVjcR)

244 OK, I have to ask... Does it actually say "LOL Get Fucked" or "LOL Get F*cked" with an asterisk taking the place of the letter "u"?


It has the asterisk. So you can wear it in public.

Posted by: shibumi at June 09, 2019 08:43 PM (sktRI)

245 I don't own a rifle

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2019 08:43 PM (BbGew)

246 In hind sight it may have only been a 16 ga.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 09, 2019 08:33 PM (OX6sG)
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Oh, then no worries!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 08:43 PM (MVjcR)

247 Alright, one last time, help me win an M1 to gift to Boy928 by taking a chance at winning it yourself.


https://wn.nr/5R5t7Z

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 08:44 PM (yQpMk)

248 Of course, rookies like Weasel may have to do overwatch with something with a bit more oomph.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2019 08:34 PM (TmTXR)
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pointy end downrange, right?

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 08:44 PM (MVjcR)

249 245 I don't own a rifle
Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2019 08:43 PM (BbGew)
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Your local NG Armory is your one stop shop for all your arming needs!

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 09, 2019 08:45 PM (WEBkv)

250 205
I am not sure, and am trying to develop a plan. I like .380/9mm kurz pistols and will probably start doing research in this area.

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at June 09, 2019 08:45 PM (gSgAd)

251 LOL, one of the local hams was just on the repeater describing his difficulties in getting the lower he just built to mate with the upper he just built.


He said that after wrestling with it for about twenty minutes it dawned on him the the upper from his AR-10 build was never going to fit on the lower for his AR-15 build.

Posted by: Bert G at June 09, 2019 08:45 PM (OMsf+)

252 It has the asterisk. So you can wear it in public.
Posted by: shibumi at June 09, 2019 08:43 PM (sktRI)

Thanks for the clarification. Then the answer to your hypothetical is yes. I mean, who wouldn't want one?

Posted by: Insomniac at June 09, 2019 08:45 PM (NWiLs)

253 245 I don't own a rifle

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2019 08:43 PM (BbGew)
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Go sell your coat and buy one.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 09, 2019 08:45 PM (O1adx)

254 Here's the machine-gun everyone should have!
https://media.giphy.com/media/
bcWhq8pn9cWDm/giphy.gif

Posted by: andycanuck at June 09, 2019 08:45 PM (Dh1wo)

255 246 In hind sight it may have only been a 16 ga.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 09, 2019 08:33 PM (OX6sG)
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Oh, then no worries!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 08:43 PM (MVjcR)

I can't remember how close she was but he didn't get hit with a pellet. So pretty close I imagine.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 09, 2019 08:45 PM (OX6sG)

256 245 I don't own a rifle
Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2019 08:43 PM (BbGew)

Sell your cloak and buy one.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 09, 2019 08:46 PM (NWiLs)

257 "239 First rule of a gun fight? Bring a gun.
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman

I can outfit the entire Moron company with
nice .32 sidearms, if that's a help.

...for shooting mewling SJW's writhing about with flesh wounds, or for herding them onto the trains, etc. And all the other standard .32 uses... ; you never know when you might want conserve rifle ammo when it's time to correct a collaborator.

Posted by: retropox at June 09, 2019 08:41 PM (glyqi) "



Well, Mrs Eez liked the "byf" Manurhin .32 I had, so we're good, but bravo for a generous offer !

No telling what it's gonna take to turn this all around.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2019 08:46 PM (a5hgv)

258 If you could get a bright red baseball cap that said "LOL Get F*cked" on it, would you want it?

My rich gun buddy (who is spending this weekend turning money into gunblasts with his 20mm Lahti anti-tank rifle that finally got out of FFL transfer hell) has a bright red hat....

"Make .45acp Great Again".

Posted by: retropox at June 09, 2019 08:46 PM (glyqi)

259 Later all! Great thread, as usual, weasel!

Bonus, I actually had some time for the thread!

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 09, 2019 08:46 PM (WEBkv)

260 232 229 I read that those who carried the Thompson tossed the drum as soon as it was empty in preference to the stick magazine.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 09, 2019 08:37 PM (O1adx)

Same. Drums like to jam. Mags like to work.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 09, 2019 08:39 PM (pUDQf)


AlaBAMA is correct. Stick over drum unless you have an hour to reload big drums and do not mind constant stoppages. The reason the 2NZEF dropped Thompson 50 rd drum mags in Nth Africa during WWII is because the rds would slap back and forth in the drum making a noise especially at night. That and the drum making a heavy Thompson almost too bloody heavy for patrolling.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 08:47 PM (bgJ0E)

261 237 ... "JTB - drop me a line tomorrow and we can discuss loads for the Garand."

Weasel, Thanks. Will do. I've only reloaded 30-06 for mil-surp bolt actions.

And before I forget, thanks for another wonderful gun thread. The perfect way to end a weekend evening.

Posted by: JTB at June 09, 2019 08:47 PM (bmdz3)

262 Weasel, a request for a future gun thread topic:

What's your barrel cleaning process and materials?

And how clean is clean enough, when it comes to copper deposits?

(I've only found about 3.6 million different opinions on those topics on the InterWebs!)

Thanks!

Posted by: Gref at June 09, 2019 08:40 PM (AMIL/)
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We had a thread on that early on, but I'd be happy to revisit the topic soon. Thanks for the suggestion! In the meantime, check the archives linked above - fall of last year if memory serves.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 08:47 PM (MVjcR)

263 I saw something that I thought was odd at the range last week. Some guy was shooting 338 Lapua (or something similar, I don't know but it was big) and then left all his spent brass on the bench. I thought that by the time you were shooting that stuff, you were rolling your own and took the empties home.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 08:47 PM (yQpMk)

264 Truly, I'm a big fan of Berettas. My latest one, lost to some big lake, is the redesigned M9A3 they did for the Army contract.

Some folks don't care for hammer fire, but that's what I learned on and prefer.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 09, 2019 08:48 PM (pUDQf)

265 Posted by: Braenyard at June 09, 2019 08:45 PM (O1adx)

GMTA! Clinging to guns and religion...

Posted by: Insomniac at June 09, 2019 08:48 PM (NWiLs)

266 Weasel, I don't remember if you've done one, but an in-depth on America's Modern Sporting Rifle might be in order.
Light, accurate, modular, no recoil, etc. Can be tricked out to the max. Takes optics, lights, lasers. Millions in circulation and ammo available by the pallet-ful. Or the armories. Anybody can be taught to shoot it and be accurate to 300 yards.
And there will be a bunch lying around on the ground.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2019 08:48 PM (TmTXR)

267
Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 08:43 PM (MVjcR)

I can't remember how close she was but he didn't get hit with a pellet. So pretty close I imagine.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 09, 2019 08:45 PM (OX6sG)

Who got what beatings afterwards??

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 08:48 PM (bgJ0E)

268 If I have to email every one of you, I will, just to get you to send some Well-Wishes to Bete.

I am NOT asking for a "Collection Plate" at this time. I am only asking that The Horde Checks-In and says "hello" to a friend.

You'll need to Sign-Up for Caring Bridge, but it is worth every moment to give emotional support to Bete.

I've talked to the dude on the phone and he's an inspirational bastard. If I can be half the Man he is, I'll have Lived a Good Life.

https://www.caringbridge.org/visit/johnrose3/journal

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Town Drunk at June 09, 2019 08:48 PM (Ckg4U)

269 245 I don't own a rifle
Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2019 08:43 PM (BbGew


Go. To. The. Store.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 09, 2019 08:49 PM (pUDQf)

270 264 Truly, I'm a big fan of Berettas. My latest one, lost to some big lake, is the redesigned M9A3 they did for the Army contract.

Some folks don't care for hammer fire, but that's what I learned on and prefer.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 09, 2019 08:48 PM (pUDQf)

I like the accuracy of the Beretta.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 09, 2019 08:49 PM (NWiLs)

271 Lahti anti-tank rifle link in my sock. Didn't know what it was so I Binged it.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 09, 2019 08:49 PM (Dh1wo)

272
Thanks for the clarification. Then the answer to your hypothetical is yes. I mean, who wouldn't want one?


That's exactly what I thought. I'm going to ask the LOL Get F*cked Hat question tonight on the ONT and see what they say.

Posted by: shibumi at June 09, 2019 08:49 PM (sktRI)

273 Later all! Great thread, as usual, weasel!

Bonus, I actually had some time for the thread!

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 09, 2019 08:46 PM (WEBkv)
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Thank you blake - glad you could make it tonight!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 08:50 PM (MVjcR)

274 I have a Springfield armory built Garand.post war build. It has a serial number in the 6 million range. Yeah they built a few. I also have an AR type. Because why not.

Posted by: Boomer at June 09, 2019 08:51 PM (ucNdt)

275 O-kay Slap, working on it ...

not gonna be in this nic, using a different laptop for that ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2019 08:51 PM (a5hgv)

276 It really is the best thread of the week.

Thanks for doing this, Weasel.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 08:51 PM (yQpMk)

277 I am going to be relentless about this, so Get Used to listening to this rhetoric.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Town Drunk at June 09, 2019 08:51 PM (Ckg4U)

278 ... Can be tricked out to the max. Takes optics, lights, lasers...

Yup. Some folks call 'em Barbies for guys. Of course I've heard that said about Jeeps too.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 09, 2019 08:51 PM (7vuWe)

279 And before I forget, thanks for another wonderful gun thread. The perfect way to end a weekend evening.


Posted by: JTB at June 09, 2019 08:47 PM (bmdz3)
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My pleasure, JTB. Always nice to have you here.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 08:52 PM (MVjcR)

280 Completely fishy that mess was, Capra was a fraud.


He was at D-Day but in about the 16th wave and the guys he shot weren't hiding behind the obstacles they were combat engineers 'sploding them.

And he spent about a minute on the beach before running back to deliver his film.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 09, 2019 08:52 PM (fuK7c)

281 Later all! Great thread, as usual, weasel!

Bonus, I actually had some time for the thread!

Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 09, 2019 08:46 PM (WEBkv)
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Thank you blake - glad you could make it tonight!
Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 08:50 PM (MVjcR)

Thanks Mr Weasel for the thread. About to bail. Did you every get the wee blurb on Rigby's I sent you?

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 08:52 PM (bgJ0E)

282 152 146 You and the Nurse have a good weekend next week, too!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 09, 2019 07:54 PM (xJa6I)

Thanks Mark, I'm sure we will! And stamp out that cold. Have you tried the zinc lozenge thing and/or echinacea?
Posted by: Insomniac at June 09, 2019 08:01 PM (NWiLs)

I went with OJ and those Airborne tablets. That, plus a lot of sleep, seems to be doing the trick.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 09, 2019 08:03 PM (xJa6I)

as long as you catch it early, within a couple of days, Zycam for the win!


When I caught a cold, it would take me 3 weeks, because it would get into the chest. Zycam knocks it out in a couple of days. Clears it right up. Amazing stuff, at least for me.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 09, 2019 08:53 PM (sy5kK)

283 Thank You, sock_rat_eez.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Town Drunk at June 09, 2019 08:54 PM (Ckg4U)

284 Well, Bob, every Jeep deserves a Modern Sporting Rifle.
Or two.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2019 08:54 PM (TmTXR)

285 266 Weasel, I don't remember if you've done one, but an in-depth on America's Modern Sporting Rifle might be in order.
Light, accurate, modular, no recoil, etc. Can be tricked out to the max. Takes optics, lights, lasers. Millions in circulation and ammo available by the pallet-ful. Or the armories. Anybody can be taught to shoot it and be accurate to 300 yards.
And there will be a bunch lying around on the ground.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2019 08:48 PM (TmTXR)
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Check the user-unfriendly archives - I did one early on, but it was on the Colt SP1.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 08:54 PM (MVjcR)

286 Yippee, gun thread #98,760

Posted by: Billy Goat Gruff at June 09, 2019 08:54 PM (0x00j)

287 I have scary black rifles painted in matte and grey. So they aren't scary any more.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 09, 2019 08:55 PM (pUDQf)

288 Who got what beatings afterwards??

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 08:48 PM (bgJ0E)

dont' remember but she was just old enough to hold the damn gun up. Safety was not on. He was the one needing the beating but he was scared shitless.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 09, 2019 08:55 PM (OX6sG)

289 Thanks Mr Weasel for the thread. About to bail. Did you every get the wee blurb on Rigby's I sent you?



Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 08:52 PM (bgJ0E)
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I did, and was looking for it the other day and couldn't readily find it. Can I trouble you to re-send? Sorry and thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 08:56 PM (MVjcR)

290 Have two out of the three, plus that Unertl scope.

That is, I did until that tragic canoe accident.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 09, 2019 08:56 PM (Vzb0I)

291 276 It really is the best thread of the week.

Thanks for doing this, Weasel.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 08:51 PM (yQpMk)
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Thanks Grump!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 08:56 PM (MVjcR)

292 Maybe a thread in the near future about the AKM.

You could call it "The good, the bad and the ugly".

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 09, 2019 08:57 PM (Z+IKu)

293 Any of you lead slingers get your toys painted?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 09, 2019 08:57 PM (pUDQf)

294 277 I am going to be relentless about this, so Get Used to listening to this rhetoric.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Town Drunk at June 09, 2019 08:51 PM (Ckg4U)

What?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 09, 2019 08:58 PM (OX6sG)

295 Will do.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 08:58 PM (bgJ0E)

296 J&G Sales has Dutch manufactured 30.06 ammunition (military contract) available, which is just the ticket for your M1 Garand. 148 gr. FMJ, non-corrosive, and on sale for $59.90 per 100 rounds. The stuff shoots great in my CMP Special Grade Garand.

Posted by: WVinMN at June 09, 2019 08:58 PM (pV4s0)

297 >>>And I think in the Pacific in some situations the carbine was popular because engagement ranges could be very short [no visibility in heavy foliage], few built-up areas with cover [Garand shoots through many walls and other objects], and, weight - in tropical conditions.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2019 08:13 PM (QDnY+)
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This is interesting. I've read they preferred the 45 pistol over the carbine in those situations because the pistol was more lethal.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 09, 2019 08:58 PM (O1adx)

298 I have scary black rifles painted in matte and grey. So they aren't scary any more.

I kind of want to do one in a wild purple hydro dip for my daughter. She's getting married next spring so maybe I can have it done in time.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 09, 2019 08:59 PM (7vuWe)

299 These are just Well-Wishes, as Bete goes in, in August for Bone-Marrow Transplant.

There is no "Collection-Plate", as of yet. He told me that his Brother and others might just handle that.

Thank God because the last "Collection Plate" I took-up for Northernlurker was an effort that I don't think I have left in me.

https://www.caringbridge.org/visit/johnrose3/journal

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Town Drunk at June 09, 2019 08:59 PM (Ckg4U)

300 Will do.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at June 09, 2019 08:58 PM (bgJ0E)
thanks, and again, apologies!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 09:00 PM (MVjcR)

301 "What?"
-Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 09, 2019 08:58 PM (OX6sG)

Post #299, Good Sir!

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Town Drunk at June 09, 2019 09:00 PM (Ckg4U)

302 I kind of want to do one in a wild purple hydro dip for my daughter. She's getting married next spring so maybe I can have it done in time.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 09, 2019 08:59 PM (7vuWe


I assume she's fond of purple?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 09, 2019 09:00 PM (pUDQf)

303 Your local NG Armory is your one stop shop for all your arming needs!
Posted by: blake - used sock salesman at June 09, 2019 08:45 PM (WEBkv)

I'm counting on finding a lot of loose 7.62x51 laying around on the ground.

Posted by: Fox2! at June 09, 2019 09:01 PM (MwFQu)

304 286 Yippee, gun thread #98,760

Posted by: Billy Goat Gruff at June 09, 2019 08:54 PM (0x00j)
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Actually this is #41 if you can believe it. Only seems like 98,760!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 09:02 PM (MVjcR)

305 I assume she's fond of purple?

Well, she's a female millennial so yeah. And pink would just be too much for me.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 09, 2019 09:03 PM (7vuWe)

306 > That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Grrrr, no.
I cleaned my RS22 and wrecked the recoil spring*
when I reinstalled it.
Ya know, the TT-33 has an annoying recoil spring (to reinstall) and Zastava fixed it in their M57 version of that gun. The guide rod has a joint in the middle and it's SO SIMPLE to slip that spring and rod back in place. Mossberg should copy that idea on their 702/RS-22 rifles.

*Free replacement but it won't get here until next month.

Posted by: ArthurK at June 09, 2019 09:03 PM (+YzNo)

307 Purple with pink pinstripes.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 09, 2019 09:03 PM (O1adx)

308 I was 3 years old in '76. Now I'm the Old Man of my squadron.

Time flies, eh?
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd

You kids today!!!

Which squadron?

Posted by: Diogenes at June 09, 2019 09:03 PM (axyOa)

309 301 "What?"
-Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 09, 2019 08:58 PM (OX6sG)

Post #299, Good Sir!

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Town Drunk at June 09, 2019 09:00 PM (Ckg4U)

Thanks Slap. I thought it had to do with guns and you were being an asshole. Just a sayin.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 09, 2019 09:04 PM (OX6sG)

310 305 I assume she's fond of purple?

Well, she's a female millennial so yeah. And pink would just be too much for me.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 09, 2019 09:03 PM (7vuWe


A millennial who doesn't think guns are the most vile evil in existence?? Well done on raising that young lady, my friend!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 09, 2019 09:04 PM (pUDQf)

311 292 Maybe a thread in the near future about the AKM.

You could call it "The good, the bad and the ugly".

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 09, 2019 08:57 PM (Z+IKu)
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Check the archives sometime last fall. It was the thread immediately after the SP1.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 09:04 PM (MVjcR)

312 Actually this is #41 if you can believe it. Only seems like 98,760!

If you count all the threads that turn into gun threads, he may not be too far off.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 09, 2019 09:05 PM (7vuWe)

313 The American M60 is based on the German machine gun used on D Day.

Posted by: Tom at June 09, 2019 09:06 PM (XzRkH)

314 If you count all the threads that turn into gun threads, he may not be too far off.


Hardly any threads turn into art threads.

Btw, the St. Louises have been bringing more pressure but they haven't scored a hockey and the Bostons have.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 09, 2019 09:07 PM (fuK7c)

315 Some guy was shooting 338 Lapua (or something similar, I don't know but it was big) and then left all his spent brass on the bench. I thought that by the time you were shooting that stuff, you were rolling your own and took the empties home.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 08:47 PM


They didn't go home with you?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 09, 2019 09:07 PM (DMUuz)

316 I can't find the link, but I was reading at Quora about some very weird guns that were slated at various times in the 19th/20th centuries for production, but never saw the light of day.

One of them was a revolver, with a magazine. Circa 1888.

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2019 09:07 PM (miE9U)

317 Have we had a thread on short barrel automatics like the HK?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 09, 2019 09:07 PM (pUDQf)

318 312 Actually this is #41 if you can believe it. Only seems like 98,760!

If you count all the threads that turn into gun threads, he may not be too far off.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 09, 2019 09:05 PM (7vuWe)
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You know, you're probably right!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 09:07 PM (MVjcR)

319 The American M60 is based on the German machine gun used on D Day.
Posted by: Tom at June 09, 2019 09:06 PM (XzRkH)

****

I meant to get to this earlier.
The MG42 was the grandfather of the M60 aka Da Hog.
Never...ever be in a firefight without at least one Hog

Posted by: Diogenes at June 09, 2019 09:08 PM (axyOa)

320 My one year old Grandson only has one rifle, but Grandpa will see that changes.

Posted by: CMU VET at June 09, 2019 09:08 PM (C+wjz)

321 Here's the link!

What were the most interesting weapon development projects that were cancelled?

https://qr.ae/TWh718

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 09, 2019 09:09 PM (miE9U)

322 317 Have we had a thread on short barrel automatics like the HK?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 09, 2019 09:07 PM (pUDQf)
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Not yet, but we're going to! My buddy has not one, but two MP5s. I want to do a thread on them and include some video shot at the farm.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 09:09 PM (MVjcR)

323 What's the Queen checking out here?

http://bit.ly/2MCj4pB

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 09, 2019 09:10 PM (fuK7c)

324 That storm that hit Lin-duh is bearing down on me now. I better be getting on home. Will check in on the thread in a bit.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 09, 2019 09:10 PM (7vuWe)

325 If you don't mind upgrading to a 1944-45 gun, here is an M2 ( a full auto M1 carbine )for $11.5k:

https://www.machineguncentral.com/ViewDetails.aspx?p=679--089b5a46-72bc-4658-ac8b-fc62a4950acd

Posted by: Kristophr at June 09, 2019 09:11 PM (ZoT8Y)

326 322 317 Have we had a thread on short barrel automatics like the HK?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 09, 2019 09:07 PM (pUDQf)
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Not yet, but we're going to! My buddy has not one, but two MP5s. I want to do a thread on them and include some video shot at the farm.
Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 09:09 PM (MVjcR


Apparently I need a better class of friends!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 09, 2019 09:11 PM (pUDQf)

327 Check the archives sometime last fall. It was the thread immediately after the SP1.
Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 09:04 PM (MVjcR)

Damn, I forgot. Maybe do a Mosin thread and call it "the rifle that couldn't, but did, and still is".

Keep up the good work Weasel!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 09, 2019 09:11 PM (Z+IKu)

328 That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Yes. went to the range with the Tavor and the Frankengun planning on swinging steel.

They took that particular range off-line to prepare for a the competition yesterday.

Should have brought a plan B so went to the distance range but didn't bring optics. 5.56 holes in paper are rather hard to see through an Eotech at 200 meters.

So went to check on the guys doing lead remediation on the 270 ranges.

Nice things about a club rather than commercial range, you can jaw jack with some really experienced shooters who are more than happy to pass long their wisdom.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 09, 2019 09:12 PM (lD3vL)

329 Ed's Red doesn't smell nearly as nice as Hoppe's No. 9.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 09, 2019 09:12 PM (DMUuz)

330 324 That storm that hit Lin-duh is bearing down on me now. I better be getting on home. Will check in on the thread in a bit.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 09, 2019 09:10 PM (7vuWe)
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Uh oh. Stay safe! You didn't see lin-duh blow by your place, did you?

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 09:12 PM (MVjcR)

331 Well, another great one, Weasel. I lurk on lots of threads, but not this one. I know it's a lot of work.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2019 09:12 PM (TmTXR)

332 Oh, I'm an asshole, Cannibal Bob. Don't you worry your pretty little head. *HAH!*

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Town Drunk at June 09, 2019 09:13 PM (Ckg4U)

333 That storm that hit Lin-duh is bearing down on me now. I better be getting on home. Will check in on the thread in a bit.

Passed right over and it failed to bring the wind or anything damaging. About the only casualty was the neighbor's pool party.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 09, 2019 09:14 PM (lD3vL)

334 Apparently I need a better class of friends!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 09, 2019 09:11 PM (pUDQf)
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The guy that owns them is a professional cameraman so I'm hoping for some great production value, rather than alternating pictures of the sky and my feet.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 09:15 PM (MVjcR)

335
331 Well, another great one, Weasel. I lurk on lots of threads, but not this one. I know it's a lot of work.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2019 09:12 PM (TmTXR)
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Thanks pal!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 09:15 PM (MVjcR)

336 What's the Queen checking out here?

http://bit.ly/2MCj4pB
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 09, 2019 09:10 PM (fuK7c)


Some variant or other of the SA80, which is the standard issue rifle of the British Army.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2019 09:16 PM (t+qrx)

337
Damn, I forgot. Maybe do a Mosin thread and call it "the rifle that couldn't, but did, and still is".

Keep up the good work Weasel!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 09, 2019 09:11 PM (Z+IKu)
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hmmmmm there's an idea! Thanks HbG!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 09:17 PM (MVjcR)

338 Actually this is #41 if you can believe it. Only seems like 98,760!

Posted by: Weasel

The gun threads are delightful, though I don't contribute to them having not fired a weapon since leaving the Navy, sadly. The quirks of certain weapons and the knowledge of the horde is, in turns, pretty interesting and rather awesome. I fired weapons for a good 30 years of my life and I learn something new here every weekend.

Posted by: Boswell at June 09, 2019 09:17 PM (32YRo)

339 I'm beginning to give Mr. Trump the hairy eyeball as he has now for the 2nd time come out against an accessory as being worthy of being banned.

I think his 2A support is thin and maybe fake. He folded way too early on the gun stock banning and he's also come out after only a couple of days against suppressors.

Neither of which can be said to dramatically been responsible for increased casualties in the events they were used in.

He has also put someone in charge of the BATF who is a known anti 2A person and with the Senate being negative on 2A matters is very concerning to me and should be for anyone else as the Dems could easily get a mild gun bill passed that would also pass muster with the Senate (esp. if they tail end it on some other vital matter) and I think Trump will go ahead and sign it without hesitation. Or maybe some harumphs and well nows but he'll still pass it.

Our rights are at risk and it will be the GOP who trashes them.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at June 09, 2019 09:18 PM (cW5Gl)

340 Bet the Queen was a shooter.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 09, 2019 09:18 PM (O1adx)

341 Of course, if I was out in your PNW woods, something in .454 Casull would be my choice. Which I don't have. Even before the Great Canoe Disaster.

Posted by: RI Red at June 09, 2019 07:52 PM (TmTXR)
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Dan Wesson in 445 Super Mag means never having to worry about being bear food.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 09, 2019 09:19 PM (w0xwb)

342 Bet the Queen was a shooter.

Posted by: Braenyard

She seems like someone you'd have to hit center mass a couple of times to bring her down when charging...

Posted by: Boswell at June 09, 2019 09:19 PM (32YRo)

343 I suppose the Queen has retired from active duty, but there exists video footage of her firing that rifle, and a LMG too. I suppose she's given up riding BSA's, too. Still handles that Land Rover when she's out of town.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 09, 2019 09:20 PM (8ZmvG)

344 Bet the Queen was a shooter.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 09, 2019 09:18 PM (O1adx)


Oh gosh, no, the Queen wasn't. Second Subaltern Elizabeth Windsor may have been a very good shot, though.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2019 09:20 PM (t+qrx)

345 I'm looking for some recommendations for a handgun for my wife who is left handed and wants something a little smaller, like the Glock 19 size.

Posted by: CA Token at June 09, 2019 09:20 PM (+8LG8)

346 The American M60 is based on the German machine gun used on D Day.

Posted by: Tom at June 09, 2019 09:06 PM (XzRkH)
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and they copied all the worst features...

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 09, 2019 09:21 PM (w0xwb)

347 Nice things about a club rather than commercial range, you can jaw jack with some really experienced shooters who are more than happy to pass long their wisdom.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 09, 2019 09:12 PM (lD3vL)
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You know BBFJ, that's one of the things that surprised me the most when I started shooting competitively. Everyone, including the very best shooters in the country, were happy to spend their time discussing what they do and how they do it. Nobody was jealously hiding their pet loads or anything. If you have enough sense to listen (something I'm not always very good at) you can really learn a LOT!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 09:21 PM (MVjcR)

348 Dan Wesson in 445 Super Mag means never having to worry about being bear food.
Posted by: redc1c4 at June 09, 2019 09:19 PM (w0xwb


Hard to skin a bear with a sprained wrist.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 09, 2019 09:22 PM (pUDQf)

349
If you count all the threads that turn into gun threads, he may not be too far off.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at June 09, 2019 09:05 PM (7vuWe)

Any given thread has a .80 chance of becoming a gun thread. To a .95 level of confidence with one degree of freedom,

Posted by: Fox2! at June 09, 2019 09:22 PM (MwFQu)

350 Bet the Queen was a shooter.


This came up in a thread this week and I couldn't find a photo that I know I've seen of her as Queen shooting some sort of semi-auto.

I did get this of her as a Princess during WWII working with an Enfield:

http://bit.ly/2Xziv0T

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 09, 2019 09:22 PM (fuK7c)

351 345 I'm looking for some recommendations for a handgun for my wife who is left handed and wants something a little smaller, like the Glock 19 size.
Posted by: CA Token at June 09, 2019 09:20 PM (+8LG8

Maybe a Glock 19?


Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 09, 2019 09:22 PM (pUDQf)

352 Mosin and cleaning threads, yes. Want.


JTB - loading for the Garand is easy. Well, as with all rifle loading, if you are looking for soooper fancy precise match loads to win prestigious competitions, that could be a bit more work. But the basics - for lowly, crude, barbaric sorts such as myself, who just want decent ammo for fun and shooting action matches - not hard at all. As I have noted here before - 75% of my time in reloading for the M1 is brass prep, and most of that is filing down gouges and dents in the extracting groove so the cases will fit in the case holder on the press.


For a reason, M1s are brutally violent with the brass.


Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2019 09:23 PM (QDnY+)

353 I meant to get to this earlier.
The MG42 was the grandfather of the M60 aka Da Hog.
Never...ever be in a firefight without at least one Hog

Posted by: Diogenes at June 09, 2019 09:08 PM (axyOa)
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preferably several, because at least one is liable to take a shit just when you need it most.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 09, 2019 09:23 PM (w0xwb)

354 The gun threads are delightful, though I don't contribute to them having not fired a weapon since leaving the Navy, sadly. The quirks of certain weapons and the knowledge of the horde is, in turns, pretty interesting and rather awesome. I fired weapons for a good 30 years of my life and I learn something new here every weekend.

Posted by: Boswell at June 09, 2019 09:17 PM (32YRo)
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Thank you, Boswell. I'm very happy to hear you are enjoying them!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 09:23 PM (MVjcR)

355 Bob T. Bildergerger, your storm crossed Ben Had, Lin-duh, and smooth missed Ranchero Eromero. Be safe.

Posted by: Eromero at June 09, 2019 09:24 PM (qBNEP)

356 I'm looking for some recommendations for a handgun for my wife who is left handed and wants something a little smaller, like the Glock 19 size.
Posted by: CA Token at June 09, 2019 09:20 PM

Walther PK 9MM was a cute little thing that in the right hands, pretty deadly...

Posted by: Boswell at June 09, 2019 09:25 PM (32YRo)

357 I'm looking for some recommendations for a handgun for my wife who is left handed and wants something a little smaller, like the Glock 19 size.


My go-to advice for ladies is to try out some of the Kahr Arms handguns like the CM9 or CT9. When I worked at a gun store I found that women tended to like them for the slim grip and most seemed to have no issues with racking the slide. The sacrifice is that you give up round capacity for the slim grip: they're single stack mags.

Posted by: Bert G at June 09, 2019 09:25 PM (OMsf+)

358 351 345 I'm looking for some recommendations for a handgun for my wife who is left handed and wants something a little smaller, like the Glock 19 size.
Posted by: CA Token at June 09, 2019 09:20 PM (+8LG8

Maybe a Glock 19?



Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 09, 2019 09:22 PM (pUDQf)

Heh. Endorsed.

CZ P10c
S&W Compact 2
Walther PPQ

Or for something even smaller, the S&W EZ 380
or Glock 42, both in .380 ACP

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 09, 2019 09:25 PM (xJa6I)

359 If not a whole thread can someone do a quick summary of the Moisin-Nagant?

Cabela's is always full of them, cheap, and empty of M1s.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 09, 2019 09:26 PM (fuK7c)

360 I think his 2A support is thin and maybe fake. He folded way too early on the gun stock banning and he's also come out after only a couple of days against suppressors.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at June 09, 2019 09:18 PM (cW5Gl)

It seems fake because it is. Trump was pretty anti-gun well into the primaries.

Posted by: Surfperch at June 09, 2019 09:26 PM (tVQUs)

361 343 I suppose the Queen has retired from active duty, but there exists video footage of her firing that rifle, and a LMG too. I suppose she's given up riding BSA's, too. Still handles that Land Rover when she's out of town.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 09, 2019 09:20 PM (8ZmvG)

I read that she hung up the Dress Reds when the told she shouldn't ride any more, after 60 or more years. That must have been like The Detail drawing straws to tell Reagan he should hang up the saddle.

Posted by: Fox2! at June 09, 2019 09:26 PM (MwFQu)

362 332 Oh, I'm an asshole, Cannibal Bob. Don't you worry your pretty little head. *HAH!*

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Town Drunk at June 09, 2019 09:13 PM (Ckg4U

Yeah, I'm kinda proud of it.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 09, 2019 09:27 PM (OX6sG)

363 For those who venerate this movie, let them be anathema.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at June 09, 2019 07:25 PM (cfSRQ)

Watch the Omaha Beach scene and then turn it off.

On this same subject, I wish to repeat my comment that The Hurt Locker is one of the worst war movies ever made.

Posted by: Vanya at June 09, 2019 09:28 PM (R7nPl)

364 Walther PK 9MM was a cute little thing that in the right hands, pretty deadly...
Posted by: Boswell at June 09, 2019 09:25 PM (32YRo)

But she needs it to be in her left hand, not the right.

Posted by: Fox2! at June 09, 2019 09:28 PM (MwFQu)

365 357 I'm looking for some recommendations for a handgun for my wife who is left handed and wants something a little smaller, like the Glock 19 size.


Depending on how much you love her, you could spring for a Sig P320.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 09, 2019 09:28 PM (pUDQf)

366 Here is a comparison of the AR15, Ak, and Mosin Nagant:
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinHumor.htm

Seriously, buy one. Rifle is cheap. Ammo is cheap. Rifle shoots. Buy one and a bottle of Value-rite, Da, OK?

Posted by: Kristophr at June 09, 2019 09:28 PM (ZoT8Y)

367 I'm looking for some recommendations for a handgun for my wife who is left handed and wants something a little smaller, like the Glock 19 size.
Posted by: CA Token at June 09, 2019 09:20 PM (+8LG8
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Would a revolver be an option?

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 09:28 PM (MVjcR)

368 (Insert smiley face here)

Posted by: Fox2! at June 09, 2019 09:28 PM (MwFQu)

369 Boy928 wants a Garand rifle. He currently has no rifles. I have tried to convince him that, as fun as the M1 is, and despite the fact that I am a 30 caliber gun, if you are going to have only one rifle, I don't see how you beat the American Sporting Rifle, the AR15.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 08:17 PM (yQpMk)
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buy both: problem solved.

you're welcome.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 09, 2019 09:28 PM (w0xwb)

370
I went to the San Francisco Gun Show at the Cow Palace yesterday.

What was once a very large packed event of almost exclusively gun (and close-related items) dealers squeezed into the basement, is now about 80% of the exhibitors, which now include not-really-gun-related booths (cut-glass household knicknacks?) slightly wider aisles, and about half the previous attendamce.

Talking to a couple of exhibitors, I found out that:

1. They've seen this decline over the past 5+ years (my data points are 2 and 8 years ago; I was stunned this year).

2. At least 80% of the firearm dealer attending had "AR-15" as at least 60% of their booth (if they weren't selling only AR-15s) There might have been 4 booths with a rack of bolt-action rifles among their wares. I cannot remember seeing shotguns anywhere. Everythig is now "tactical" / "AR-15 tactical" ... this just looks bad.

3. This show was the last one this year for ammunition sales (so 2 really large booths and probably 3 medium booths disappear), as life here goes stupid on 1 July.

4. On 1 July, ammo sales will be subject to background checks. Do you own a firearm chambered for the ammo you wish to buy? No? No sale. Yes? How much are you buying? Implicitly, there is a limit, both to the amount of any given purchase AND the time between purchases.

5. Get your supplies (guns, ammo, reloading equipment, tools, etc.) now. Rumor (from 2 sources that likely do not know each other) is that CHiP is implementing/will implement searches for vehicles coming into CA, for excess ammo, guns, etc. Reno (I-80) and Las Vegas (I-15) are likely search areas. I think this is an unfounded rumor, but the CA tyrants ....


I think the SCOTUS is poised to strike down many of the gun-grabbing laws ... but it won't happen in the next few weeks or months. It might be several years before cases are presented, and who knows what the SCOTUS will liik like. Contemplate well your needs.

Posted by: Arbalest at June 09, 2019 09:29 PM (FlRtG)

371 Although most of the troops on Omaha and Utah would have sported a version of the Garand, the vast majority of the troops landed on D-Day (Sword, Juno and Gold) would have carried a version of the Lee Enfield, just like Princess Elizabeth had in the photo.

Posted by: MichiCanuck at June 09, 2019 09:29 PM (OxpGy)

372 But she needs it to be in her left hand, not the right.

Posted by: Fox2!

a shiv goes in that hand....

Posted by: Boswell at June 09, 2019 09:30 PM (32YRo)

373 I did get this of her as a Princess during WWII working with an Enfield:

http://bit.ly/2Xziv0T



No magazine in it. And no receiver bridge. Is that a mk2 .22 training rifle?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 09:30 PM (yQpMk)

374 357 I'm looking for some recommendations for a handgun for my wife who is left handed and wants something a little smaller, like the Glock 19 size.

Heidis a lefty. And. Has a week hand. She carries a Ruger featherweight 38. The Ruger has a recoil dampening grip that works well. Takes +P's.

I carry a subcompact Glock26. Love it.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at June 09, 2019 09:31 PM (OX6sG)

375 Arbalest: Move to the US.

Posted by: Kristophr at June 09, 2019 09:31 PM (ZoT8Y)

376 Posted by: Arbalest at June 09, 2019 09:29 PM (FlRtG

Reason #146 why Commiefornia sucks smelly taint.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 09, 2019 09:31 PM (pUDQf)

377 I, too, need a better class of friends - MP5s and *ANTI-TANK RIFLEs*????


Anti-tank rifles were interesting. The Red Army found them useful long after they were technically obsolete. I think they could penetrate rear and side armor on the older German tanks [and lots of such tanks, and rifles, in play well into the middle of the war], or damage their tracks, and of course were very dangerous for lighter-skinned vehicles.


They even developed a semi-auto version.


What kind of press would I use to reload anti-tank rifle ammo???






Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2019 09:32 PM (QDnY+)

378
Hard to skin a bear with a sprained wrist.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 09, 2019 09:22 PM (pUDQf)
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naw... it doesn't kick hard with the long barrel, and Resident Evil's is ported, so even softer shooting.

besides, if you hit'em just right, using the right load, it practically skins them for ya!

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 09, 2019 09:33 PM (w0xwb)

379 What kind of press would I use to reload anti-tank rifle ammo???



I'd want a remotely operated one.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 09:33 PM (yQpMk)

380 C4HD sells dies and a humoungous press for stuff like the Lahto 20mm round, and 14.7mm Russian ATR ammo.

Posted by: Kristophr at June 09, 2019 09:33 PM (ZoT8Y)

381 I'm looking for some recommendations for a handgun for my wife who is left handed and wants something a little smaller, like the Glock 19 size.

Grand Power K100 For the win.

9mm, small, rotating barrel so it shoots like a .380

Every woman who has had the opportunity to fire it loves if over all others. Including Lefties since the controls are ambidextrous - all of them.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 09, 2019 09:34 PM (lD3vL)

382 CA Token, the G19 is what a lot of people carry when they don't carry their G17.

Posted by: Eromero at June 09, 2019 09:34 PM (qBNEP)

383 What kind of press would I use to reload anti-tank rifle ammo???

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2019 09:32 PM (QDnY+)

The boys was a .55 in a .50 cal bmg. I guess if you can press a 50 cal you can make them.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 09, 2019 09:35 PM (pUDQf)

384 Lee Enfield Trainer in MK2 in 22 Caliber

http://bit.ly/2MzPst1

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 09:35 PM (yQpMk)

385 "What kind of press would I use to reload anti-tank rifle ammo???"

The kind we have here in the northeast - the Times, or the Post, etc...

Posted by: Boswell at June 09, 2019 09:36 PM (32YRo)

386 I think a revolver is an option but I know that she prefers a semi-auto.
Thank you very much for all of the suggestions. Really helps with the research portion of my evening.

Posted by: CA Token at June 09, 2019 09:36 PM (+8LG8)

387 reading Greenwald's articles about Brazil, linked from ArthurK's twitter.

This week is going to be interesting. A north/south split is the least bloody option that I foresee there.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 09, 2019 09:36 PM (ykYG2)

388 If not a whole thread can someone do a quick summary of the Moisin-Nagant?
Cabela's is always full of them, cheap, and empty of M1s.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 09, 2019 09:26 PM (fuK7c)

Here ya go:

The Mosin Crate. The guy has bunch of other videos also, check out his website.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e57hOARhvA

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 09, 2019 09:37 PM (Z+IKu)

389 AK-AR-Mosin thing was funny.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 09, 2019 09:38 PM (fuK7c)

390
375 Kristophr

376 AlaBAMA


I'm stuck here at the moment, and cannot leave as easily as I'd like.

Further, I'm detecting an increasing number of people who are finally deciding to fight back: vote, stealth-boycott, etc.

Perhaps just a bit more effort and time ...

Posted by: Arbalest at June 09, 2019 09:38 PM (FlRtG)

391 The site the ar-ak-mosin thing was on is also a good Mosin info source.

Posted by: Kristophr at June 09, 2019 09:39 PM (ZoT8Y)

392
If you seek World War II related M1 Carbine expertise - look no further than Larry Ruth and Bruce Canfield. They are the true experts of this weapon system.

Posted by: Spankmeister at June 09, 2019 09:39 PM (dn8lZ)

393 Here ya go:

The Mosin Crate. The guy has bunch of other videos also, check out his website.


also http://7.62x54r.net/ and http://www.mosinnagant.net/

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 09:39 PM (yQpMk)

394 >>>I did get this of her as a Princess during WWII working with an Enfield:

http://bit.ly/2Xziv0T

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 09, 2019 09:22 PM (fuK7c)
____________

Queen in training punches the necessary ticket.
She looks comfortable.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 09, 2019 09:39 PM (O1adx)

395 386 I think a revolver is an option but I know that she prefers a semi-auto.
Thank you very much for all of the suggestions. Really helps with the research portion of my evening.

Posted by: CA Token at June 09, 2019 09:36 PM (+8LG
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You might also want to think now about how she plans to carry it which might be a factor in your selection process.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 09:40 PM (MVjcR)

396 Arbalest: Maybe breaking up CA might save you. Or having the US West-Virginia the state if it secedes.

Posted by: Kristophr at June 09, 2019 09:40 PM (ZoT8Y)

397 Please wish Bete well here: https://www.caringbridge.org/visit/johnrose3/journal

No donations needed at this point. Just Well-Wishes and prayers!

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Town Drunk at June 09, 2019 09:40 PM (Ckg4U)

398 Grand Power K100 For the win.

9mm, small, rotating barrel so it shoots like a .380

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 09, 2019 09:34 PM (lD3vL)

I have a Grand Power P11 Mk12. Very nice, but it's not my CC gun, because no decocker and I'm not carrying it cocked and locked.

The all-ambi controls are very, very good. I like that you can put a fresh mag in and then drop the slide with your trigger finger (I have short thumbs).

Posted by: Vanya at June 09, 2019 09:41 PM (R7nPl)

399 As my nic says, I'm in CA so carry isn't really an option. This is for home and range.

Posted by: CA Token at June 09, 2019 09:41 PM (+8LG8)

400
If you seek World War II related M1 Carbine expertise - look no further than Larry Ruth and Bruce Canfield. They are the true experts of this weapon system.



Posted by: Spankmeister at June 09, 2019 09:39 PM (dn8lZ)
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Canfiels wrote one of the books I linked in the post. Great resource!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 09:41 PM (MVjcR)

401 Hiya

Posted by: ALH at June 09, 2019 09:42 PM (htgmn)

402 Eh, I'll just use the Garand to collect a Modern Sporting Rifle.
Posted by: blake
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Sir, if the time comes I need one, there'll be plenty lying on the ground.

Posted by: SGM Basil Plumley at June 09, 2019 09:42 PM (CDGwz)

403 Women who carry in their purse - is definitely go with something with an ambidextrous safety. To much garbage to snag a trigger.

If she carries in a holster, maybe a trigger safety.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 09, 2019 09:42 PM (pUDQf)

404 Howdy Horde. Stuck on a plane most of the day so late. As I said in the pre-gunthread gun thread I just finished building a kayak with which to have a horrible accident

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at June 09, 2019 09:42 PM (iX55G)

405 AK-AR-Mosin thing was funny.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 09, 2019 09:38 PM (fuK7c)


Yes, it was

AK-47: Your rifle can be used by any two bit nation's most illiterate conscripts to fight elite forces worldwide.

AR-15: Your rifle is used by elite forces worldwide to fight two bit nations' most illiterate conscripts.

Mosin-Nagant: Your rifle has fought against itself and won every time.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2019 09:42 PM (t+qrx)

406 Done, Slap.

Keep us in the loop.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2019 09:42 PM (a5hgv)

407 As my nic says, I'm in CA so carry isn't really an option. This is for home and range.

Posted by: CA Token at June 09, 2019 09:41 PM (+8LG
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Well I guess that problem is solved!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 09:43 PM (MVjcR)

408 For home defense? Can't go wrong with a glock or a sig or a beretta or a smith.

And a shotgun.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 09, 2019 09:43 PM (pUDQf)

409 Kristophr, I was kidding, but wow - will check it out. Though I don't have an anti-tank rifle ...... yet.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2019 09:43 PM (QDnY+)

410 Canfiels = Canfield

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 09:43 PM (MVjcR)

411 All of you M1 owners/admirers are subscribers to the Garand Collectors Association, right? They publish an excellent quarterly journal.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 09, 2019 09:44 PM (CDGwz)

412 Hogmartin @ 405- Right on all counts, sir.

Posted by: Eromero at June 09, 2019 09:45 PM (qBNEP)

413 372 But she needs it to be in her left hand, not the right.

Posted by: Fox2!

a shiv goes in that hand....
Posted by: Boswell at June 09, 2019 09:30 PM (32YRo

As noted in the OP, our Comrade's Beloved is of the sinister persuasion. Pistol in left hand, shiv in right.

Posted by: Fox2! at June 09, 2019 09:45 PM (MwFQu)

414 Will do, Good Sir @ sock_rat_eez.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Town Drunk at June 09, 2019 09:45 PM (Ckg4U)

415 rhomboid: for $6.8k, these folks can help you with that 20mm ATR shortage:

http://www.anzioironworks.com/20MM-TAKE-DOWN-RIFLE.htm

Posted by: Kristophr at June 09, 2019 09:46 PM (ZoT8Y)

416 OK everyone, I say it every week because I mean it. Thank you all for spending some of your weekend here. I really do appreciate it!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 09:46 PM (MVjcR)

417 CA Token, do what I did for decades when I lived in Chicago:

Carry a .22 mini revolver and alternate between the two mantras:
- Judged by 12 or carried by 6.
- It's better than nothing at all.

also:
- carry a knife for backup.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2019 09:47 PM (a5hgv)

418 Always a pleasure Weasel!

Be safe. Practice your draw.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 09, 2019 09:47 PM (pUDQf)

419 Will contribute 2 kopecks on Mosins, next week, Bander.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2019 09:47 PM (QDnY+)

420 Good night Weasel. See you here 0400 in the morning for cofveve!

Posted by: Eromero at June 09, 2019 09:47 PM (qBNEP)

421 Carry Position Question

What do you consider "strong side carry?" I need precise definitions here. The articles I found do not really address this question.

Does this term mean a sidearm is carried with the muzzle precisely at a 90 degree angle pointing at the floor in a holster precisely at the hip bone on the dominant side?

Or does strong side carry permit a 15 to 20 degree cant one to two inches in either direction relative to the hip bone?

Is 2 o'clock strong side?

Is 4 o'clock still strong side?

Is 5 o'clock still strong side?

Who gets to decide?

Can you point me to some authoritative sources here?

Posted by: WarEagle82 at June 09, 2019 09:48 PM (+Kpte)

422
411 All of you M1 owners/admirers are subscribers to the Garand Collectors Association, right? They publish an excellent quarterly journal.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 09, 2019 09:44 PM (CDGwz)
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Should be linked above. The GCA is a great group and their publication is fantastic. Very well done.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 09:48 PM (MVjcR)

423 .223, .338 lapua, 50BMG, 20MM Vulcan

Yes

Posted by: Braenyard at June 09, 2019 09:48 PM (O1adx)

424 Weasel,Someone once told me that he had an M1 Carbine that his Uncle brought back from Korea in a duffel bag.
I wish I could have the honor of owning such a weapon.

Posted by: Spankmeister at June 09, 2019 09:49 PM (dn8lZ)

425 Will contribute 2 kopecks on Mosins, next week, Bander.

Posted by: rhomboid


Spasiba.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 09, 2019 09:49 PM (fuK7c)

426 American rifleman on strong side carry.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2010/3/23/concealed-carry-the-strong-side/


I always thought strong side just meant hip carry on dominate hand side.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 09, 2019 09:51 PM (pUDQf)

427 Weasel,Someone once told me that he had an M1 Carbine that his Uncle brought back from Korea in a duffel bag.
I wish I could have the honor of owning such a weapon.

Posted by: Spankmeister at June 09, 2019 09:49 PM (dn8lZ)
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You can find them but their getting pricey. All north of $1k now I suspect. I paid around that for the one pictured above several years ago.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 09:51 PM (MVjcR)

428 I thought that strong side just meant on your grip hand side. As opposed to on your support hand or non-grip hand side. Unless the butt is point forward on the support hand side. Then it's cross draw.


I may have no idea what I'm talking about though.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 09:51 PM (yQpMk)

429 Carry varies by county in CA. Many shall-issue counties, some now doable "may issue", including populous coastal ones [San Diego, Orange - I think].

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2019 09:51 PM (QDnY+)

430 'sup ALH

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at June 09, 2019 09:52 PM (ykYG2)

431 When I was a kid, surplus M1 Carbines were the poor man's 30-30 deer rifle.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 09:53 PM (yQpMk)

432 I too remember when M1 carbines were cheap. Days long gone.

Posted by: Kristophr at June 09, 2019 09:54 PM (ZoT8Y)

433 Still have mine.

Posted by: Kristophr at June 09, 2019 09:55 PM (ZoT8Y)

434 WarEagle 82- People who carry for a living have lots of definitions for carry. I'm righthanded and carry on right side on belt with slight forward cant. Do it the same way concealed.

Posted by: Eromero at June 09, 2019 09:55 PM (qBNEP)

435 also http://7.62x54r.net/ and http://www.mosinnagant.net/
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 09:39 PM (yQpMk)

Nice! Thanks Grump!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 09, 2019 09:55 PM (Z+IKu)

436 FIRST!!!

Posted by: ALH at June 09, 2019 09:55 PM (htgmn)

437 4 o'clock position for me. For the small stuff, I use a pocket holster.

Posted by: Kristophr at June 09, 2019 09:56 PM (ZoT8Y)

438 Sir Weasel - Thanks for your wonderful weekly show.

Posted by: Spankmeister at June 09, 2019 09:56 PM (dn8lZ)

439 Sir Weasel - Thanks for your wonderful weekly show.

Posted by: Spankmeister at June 09, 2019 09:56 PM (dn8lZ)
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Happy to do it. Glad you're enjoying it Spankmeister!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 09:58 PM (MVjcR)

440 "428 I thought that strong side just meant on your grip hand side. As opposed to on your support hand or non-grip hand side. Unless the butt is point forward on the support hand side. Then it's cross draw.


I may have no idea what I'm talking about though.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 09:51 PM (yQpMk) "



Pretty much how I always understood those terms, too.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2019 09:59 PM (a5hgv)

441 nood

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at June 09, 2019 10:00 PM (a5hgv)

442 I thought that strong side just meant on your grip hand side. As opposed to on your support hand or non-grip hand side. Unless the butt is point forward on the support hand side. Then it's cross draw.

I would go with that definition.

"Strong side" sounds like the wrong term to use anyway.

People tend to gravitate towards solutions that favor the dominant eye. Right eye dominant, then learn to shoot with the trigger finger on the right hand.

I shoot ambidextrous, since most firearms and holsters favor orthodox rather than southpaw, I train for right hand but regularly work non-dominant because some situations (pie a building, shoot while lying down on one side) work better if the firearm is in a different hand.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at June 09, 2019 10:00 PM (lD3vL)

443 Yeah, carbines have become pricey.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 09, 2019 10:00 PM (QDnY+)

444 The queen, as Queen, firing the SA80:
https://tinyurl.com/y4cybwqj

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 09, 2019 10:01 PM (8ZmvG)

445 In the Navy, I was able to shoot the M-14, M1911, M1919, M16 and M60. IMHO, the M14 was superior to the 16 in accuracy and stopping power. The 16 was so much lighter and you could carry many more rounds for the same weight compared to the 14.

Posted by: Archer at June 09, 2019 10:01 PM (vzk+c)

446 ONT is up. Have a good week everyone! Good night!

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 10:02 PM (MVjcR)

447 When I was a kid, surplus M1 Carbines were the poor man's 30-30 deer rifle.
Posted by: Grump928
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Sears had them, if I recall.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 09, 2019 10:05 PM (CDGwz)

448 444 The queen, as Queen, firing the SA80:
https://tinyurl.com/y4cybwqj

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 09, 2019 10:01 PM (8ZmvG)
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She looks comfortable, determined, and fashionable too.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 09, 2019 10:08 PM (O1adx)

449 Would that be the gunny smiling and holding her umbrella?

Posted by: Braenyard at June 09, 2019 10:09 PM (O1adx)

450 Somewhat off topic, last week I saw this painting at the Edouard Manet show at the Art Institute of Chicago:

https://tinyurl.com/yynqpqzz
It's a curious painting. It strongly resembles one of Monet's water-lily paintings, except with a dead lion and the hunter who killed it in the foreground. By the way, it's a very large painting - I'm guessing around six feet across by five feet high, so there's a lot of detail that is hard to see in the small reproduction.

The gun the hunter is carrying looks like it's double-barrelled, smooth-bore muzzle-loader; I'm guessing perhaps .60 caliber. It looks like a larger version of the howdah guns that the Brits carried when hunting tigers in India: something that would bring down a lion as it was charging at you - assuming you don't miss.
Anyway, it's an interesting painting, and an interesting gun.

Posted by: Brown Line at June 09, 2019 10:18 PM (S6ArX)

451 https://www.caringbridge.org/visit/johnrose3/journal
Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Town Drunk at June 09, 2019 08:48 PM (Ckg4U)

that website does not play nice with the Brave browser; too many scripts, it seems. Please give Bete my best wishes, Slapweasel.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 10, 2019 12:23 AM (WG6O9)

452 Ref Mosin...

Hmmmmm. When you could get them for $100 they were interesting. At current prices, you have a clunky rifle that's not a bargain. If you want a collectible WW2 thingie, fine. For shooting I'd keep looking.

Posted by: ArthurK at June 10, 2019 12:45 AM (+YzNo)

453 *comment deleted* [by Weasel]

Posted by: raimondo at June 10, 2019 04:09 AM (mVeJ4)

454 Watched a "Thin Red Line" Saturday night. The part where they overrun the Japanese position is a good example of the Garand being a superior rifle to bolt actions.

Also earlier when they are firing from a distance across the ridge makes the point as well.

Posted by: Garbone at June 10, 2019 06:58 AM (c5Luo)

455 In WW 2, the Marines had 3 BAR's per squad. The US Army by Late 1944, had 2 BAR's per squad - officially. We also had 2 Browning .30 Cal machine air-cooled machine guns per Company.

The Lewis gun was obsolete by the 30's - which is why the Brits adopted the Bren. It weighs 28 lbs and has those bulky pans. You might as well just use a 30 Cal Browning & have a real MG.

Posted by: rcocean at June 10, 2019 10:35 AM (mX6ZJ)

456 If the BAR was so bad compared to the BREN, you would think US troops would've complained and it would have been replaced after WW2. Instead, I've never read any USA soldier request the BREN replace the BAR. The US Army did try to re-engineer the MG 42, but gave up.

Posted by: rcocean at June 10, 2019 10:37 AM (mX6ZJ)

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