If You Think Gun Registration Is Benign, Think Again

What is the public policy objective for gun registration? Does it prevent crime? No, I doubt it very much. Maybe I am missing something obvious, but how would it?

Everyone who buys a gun and then registers it has completed a 4473, so they are on file somewhere as a gun owner. People who buy privately and legally are pretty much the same population as those who buy through FFLs. So we are left with the people who buy illegally...felons and others who are barred from purchasing or possessing weapons.

I think those people are called "criminals," and that is a segment of the population that is curiously uninterested in obeying the law, so registration obviously doesn't apply to them.

What are we left with? Government control and power and, in this case coercion and pre-trial punishment.

Elderly Man Who Shot Two Burglars In His Home Charged With Felony Over Inherited Gun

It's a Gateway Pundit article, but I checked the links, and they are pretty much straight down the middle with this one. It is a vile and disgusting example of government overreach, and an obvious example of the hatred that government has for anyone who has the temerity to ignore their authority.

Nowhere is it even suggested that this poor man should not have been allowed to possess firearms...his only transgression was against the power of the state, and we cannot have people acting as free men!

Posted by: CBD at 02:15 PM

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1 Hola

Posted by: angst hill at June 09, 2019 02:15 PM (B+t5k)

2 Dos

Posted by: angst hill at June 09, 2019 02:16 PM (B+t5k)

3 Echo

Posted by: angst hill at June 09, 2019 02:16 PM (B+t5k)

4 Top 10 at best

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2019 02:18 PM (BbGew)

5 Form 4473s are intended for tracking guns used in crimes, not as a means of registration. That's why they are not sent into the ATF but rather are kept at the FFL.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 02:18 PM (yQpMk)

6 A criminal cannot be required to register a firearm as it requires self incrimination.

Posted by: Brindle at June 09, 2019 02:21 PM (Baid6)

7 Suspected straight away it was in a Democrat controlled state

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2019 02:21 PM (BbGew)

8 Let us see your papers ve think you may have a problem.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 09, 2019 02:22 PM (eZaRj)

9 Grump928(C)

But if government does not isolate those criminals, then what is the point of 4473s?

Catch and release by Leftist shithole judges and administrations is a wider problem.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 09, 2019 02:22 PM (u82oZ)

10 Shit like this is just one of many reasons that I GTFO of California as soon as I could. Also one of the many reasons that I have turned down multiple job offers in Cali, Maryland/DC, and New York.

Posted by: Moses at June 09, 2019 02:23 PM (OMsf+)

11 dies

Posted by: woolly bully at June 09, 2019 02:23 PM (B+t5k)

12 Annd, I forgot to take off the tablet-breaking sock.

Posted by: Bert G at June 09, 2019 02:23 PM (OMsf+)

13 5 Form 4473s are intended for tracking guns used in crimes, not as a means of registration. That's why they are not sent into the ATF but rather are kept at the FFL.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 02:18 PM (yQpMk)
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A minor problem that can be easily remedied.

Posted by: Bureaucrat Rat Cop at June 09, 2019 02:24 PM (eZaRj)

14 Which is why I am laughing at all the gun owners who are so proud of the noncompliance rates for not registering.

You fools, they have just turned your gun(s) into a paperweight that you do not dare use for any purpose nor allow anyone to know you have, lest you be arrested.

Ex wives and ex girlfriends are the obvious danger. Now consider this: If the fire department is called to your house and as part of pulling apart the walls finds your stash, they will have to report it. Ditto for any sort of city inspector, insurance adjuster, and probably any sort of licensed repair. Every potential interaction must be judged on the basis of you being a criminal.

Gun confiscation is here in these states. WHAT WILL YOU DO?

Posted by: SDN at June 09, 2019 02:24 PM (tyEy7)

15 Grump is correct - and if I sell that firearm in a private sale I don't have to call my FFL to update anything.

CBD's point is valid. Registration is a mechanism for the State to exert control, dissuade the law abiding, and ultimately enable confiscation. So called "safety" considerations are false and only make the entire scheme palatable to the uninformed.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at June 09, 2019 02:24 PM (IfYaq)

16 That's why they are not sent into the ATF but rather are kept at the FFL.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 02:18 PM (yQpMk)

I had an FFL for awhile, and when I gave up the license the ATF sent an agent to take my 4473s.

The feds know who the gun owners are, or at least they have the capability to generate a list very quickly.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 09, 2019 02:24 PM (wYseH)

17
Form 4473s are intended for tracking guns used in crimes, not as a means of registration. That's why they are not sent into the ATF but rather are kept at the FFL.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 02:18 PM (yQpMk)

The 4473s aren't as much of a problem as the background check records. By law, they are supposed to be purged afterwards, but the Feds have been caught keeping that data on multiple occasions.

WILLFULLY keeping that data in violation of the law.

That's just the Feds, I'm sure that multiple state governments have been tapping into the same data.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 09, 2019 02:27 PM (WO0O0)

18 It's New York, is anyone surprised? This is mainly a lesson to any of you who still live in New York, if somehow you didn't realize it - you live in a totalitarian leftist police state, and if you choose to stay there you should know what's coming for you.

If you love your rights, get out. You are jews in 1936 Berlin right now.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 09, 2019 02:27 PM (V2Yro)

19 I had an FFL for awhile, and when I gave up the license the ATF sent an agent to take my 4473s.

The feds know who the gun owners are, or at least they have the capability to generate a list very quickly.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 09, 2019 02:24 PM (wYseH)
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Ja, ve keep der list und triplicate.

Posted by: Bureaucrat Rat Cop at June 09, 2019 02:29 PM (eZaRj)

20 The state has confiscated his home as well. He collected Atari and Commodore systems from the 80s. The prosecutor labeled him a hoarder.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at June 09, 2019 02:30 PM (l7Kbv)

21 For those inclined...

Buddy of mine (NOT me, because, er, I don't own guns anymore...yep, that's it) has several guns. He bought what he calls throwaway guns (a Jennings for example) through a FFL, the rest he purchased privately. He says that if confiscation happens, he only has paper on two crappy guns that he never shoots anyway, so the police are welcome to take them.

I asked what he does with the ammo for his non-paper guns, and he told me to shut up. Sigh.

He's also fond of saying that if you think it's time to start burying your guns, it's probably time to be digging them up. Again, he's an interesting guy.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at June 09, 2019 02:32 PM (IfYaq)

22 All my guns went down with the boat.
Bad storm.

Posted by: firefirefire at June 09, 2019 02:33 PM (LVVMh)

23
A criminal cannot be required to register a firearm as it requires self incrimination.

Posted by: Brindle at June 09, 2019 02:21 PM

interesting

so we refuse to comply with any form of registration (including 4473s) on 5th Amendment grounds & the fact that any gun control legislation is, in effect, a Bill of Attainder?

gonna think about this...I think the argument could be made along the Bill of Attainder lines

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 09, 2019 02:35 PM (KCxzN)

24 That's why the Poles pour oil on their flower beds.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 09, 2019 02:36 PM (eZaRj)

25 "21 For those inclined...

Buddy of mine (NOT me, because, er, I don't own guns anymore...yep,
that's it) has several guns. He bought what he calls throwaway guns (a
Jennings for example) through a FFL, the rest he purchased privately. He
says that if confiscation happens, he only has paper on two crappy guns
that he never shoots anyway, so the police are welcome to take them.

I asked what he does with the ammo for his non-paper guns, and he told me to shut up. Sigh.

He's also fond of saying that if you think it's time to start
burying your guns, it's probably time to be digging them up. Again, he's
an interesting guy.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at June 09, 2019 02:32 PM (IfYaq)"
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Iraq/A-stan vets will generally have a very relevant take on burying firearms - the stupid guerillas are the ones that have their gear on them when not guerilla-ing.
When it's time to bury, them, it's time that you actually need them - and therefore it's time to bury a lot of them, in a lot of places, because that's how you stay alive.
A more effective take on the "avoid turning crap in" thing is considering how easy it is these days to make AR and Glock receivers. Any idiot can do it in their garage fairly quickly and with a minimal investment in tools. These are the parts that actually have the paper trail - the rest of the firearm aren't controlled items.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at June 09, 2019 02:37 PM (67XdO)

26 Fuck that DA, in particular. Self-righteous SOB.

Posted by: Old Hoarder at June 09, 2019 02:38 PM (ZY9MN)

27 Earlier this morning we were just discussing strict gun control states (Maryland) intentionally scanning tags in the hopes of finding a vehicle with a tag/license tied to a concealed carry permit.

Don't have a gun in the car? Prove it. Don't want to? We'll get a warrant.

Do have a gun in the car, even one locked up and tucked away in the rooftop cargo carrier? You're f*cked. At a minimum you're going to get to explain your crime to a judge. Enjoy your stay.

Thanks a lot for the tax cuts that will expire, (R)s. Way to not accomplish anything else with the most conservative president since Coolidge.

Posted by: Robbie Ray Moron - Mitch are you fo' real?!! at June 09, 2019 02:38 PM (nZSZo)

28 Well it is upstate ny so he has a chance to get off

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 09, 2019 02:38 PM (QmbFX)

29 No statute of limitations on that gun registration law.

Every day it is a reset.

Unlike illegal immigration where every day is more reason to hand out goodies like welfare and voting rights.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 09, 2019 02:40 PM (1g7ch)

30 Oh, it's New Yawk.

Serves the old fool right for living in a communist paradise.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 09, 2019 02:42 PM (Z+IKu)

31 Oh, it's New Yawk.

Serves the old fool right for living in a communist paradise.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 09, 2019 02:42 PM (Z+IKu)

He lives upstate . Not his fult

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 09, 2019 02:43 PM (QmbFX)

32 "16 That's why they are not sent into the ATF but rather are kept at the FFL.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 02:18 PM (yQpMk)

I had an FFL for awhile, and when I gave up the license the ATF sent an agent to take my 4473s.

The feds know who the gun owners are, or at least they have the capability to generate a list very quickly.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 09, 2019 02:24 PM (wYseH)"
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They don't need 4473's anymore. The commerical panopticon created by the tech giants is the most effective and complete surveillance system ever devised by man.

If you are operating on - and relying on - the assumption that they do not know you are a firearm owner, you are making a horrifically bad life decision.

They know who the lawful firearm owners are. The question is, do they know *what* you have - and can you convincingly claim to have disposed of it, or turned all of it in, beyond their ability to put you in legal jeopardy for it?

And just as important, if things have gotten out of hand to the point they're going door to door, they're not going to hesitate to put the screws to you in other ways simply because you're not a moonbat. 2A aside, how do you think things are going to go when you're unemployable, can't bank, get get loans, and get can't basic services because you're blacklisted?

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at June 09, 2019 02:44 PM (67XdO)

33 Any idiot can do it in their garage fairly quickly and with a minimal investment in tools. These are the parts that actually have the paper trail - the rest of the firearm aren't controlled items.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at June 09, 2019 02:37 PM (67XdO)
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Comrade, very interesting tools you have.

Posted by: Bureaucrat Rat Cop at June 09, 2019 02:45 PM (eZaRj)

34 Lurker, absolutely.

I fully agree that gun owners should never accept a situation where they must hide who they are. This is a fundamental human right. Our fight must include the cultural one where we don't think we must apologize for exercising that right and punish mightily those who think we should.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at June 09, 2019 02:47 PM (IfYaq)

35 People need to understand that we're living in a surveillance dystopia that makes the East Germany look like a joke, and that the people flailing away trying to cement their grip on the levers of power are Maoist-style zealots.

Either prepare to surrender, prepare to endure, or prepare to GTFO and ride it out somewhere else.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at June 09, 2019 02:47 PM (67XdO)

36 I do like hoe LEOs traced the gun to check out the old man's story. They were looking to bust him for having a stolen gun or one smuggled into NYFC, but had to settle for the guy not updating registration because inheritance law doesn't cover .38s.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 09, 2019 02:48 PM (1g7ch)

37 7 million Somalis will be eligible to vote in 2020, replacing all you elderly white people who will be dead. AOC will be crowned Queen and order house to house confiscation of guns and bibles look it up.

Posted by: raioandoh at June 09, 2019 02:49 PM (x7OgJ)

38 And just as important, if things have gotten out of hand to the point they're going door to door, they're not going to hesitate to put the screws to you in other ways simply because you're not a moonbat. 2A aside, how do you think things are going to go when you're unemployable, can't bank, get get loans, and get can't basic services because you're blacklisted?
Posted by: lurker
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*?*

Yeah...those could happen.

Posted by: Roger Stone et al at June 09, 2019 02:49 PM (CDGwz)

39 Form 4473s are intended for tracking guns used in crimes, not as a means of registration. That's why they are not sent into the ATF but rather are kept at the FFL.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 02:18 PM (yQpMk)
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but the ATF gets them when an FFL goes out of business.

no idea what they do with them though.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 09, 2019 02:50 PM (V82u9)

40 "33Comrade, very interesting tools you have.

Posted by: Bureaucrat Rat Cop at June 09, 2019 02:45 PM (eZaRj) "
You can finish an 80% Glock frame with a nail file, a box cutter, and an appropriate size drill bit (which can be jury rigged into anything that will rotate it). That's literally all you need. You don't even need power tools.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at June 09, 2019 02:51 PM (67XdO)

41 I'm more worried about the businesses which feel compelled to destroy gun owners.

What do you do when you can't get a car note, or your mortgage rates triple because of your "risk," or you can't get prescriptions filled because you own guns?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: LOL, get fucked at June 09, 2019 02:51 PM (T8HPM)

42 I don't much fear house to house efforts. There are a LOT of gun owners out there. Sure lots would be willing to surrender, but even if we assume 2% of all gun owners would rather shoot than surrender, those numbers dwarf the law enforcement numbers considerably.

Lurker has it closer to what will happen - MasterCard says you can't be eligible for credit if you're a gun owner. Bank of America won't let you apply for a mortgage. Etc etc.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at June 09, 2019 02:52 PM (IfYaq)

43 That's just the Feds, I'm sure that multiple state governments have been tapping into the same data.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 09, 2019 02:27 PM

You are far too cynical to be so cynical.

Posted by: People's Democratic Republic of Kalifornia at June 09, 2019 02:52 PM (DMUuz)

44 "You can finish an 80% Glock frame with a nail file, a box cutter, and an appropriate size drill bit (which can be jury rigged into anything that will rotate it). That's literally all you need. You don't even need power tools."

We need common sense drill bit control!

Posted by: Chris M at June 09, 2019 02:52 PM (6XZdO)

45 Posted by: raioandoh at June 09, 2019 02:49 PM (x7OgJ)

God, I hope you're right.
It would add a great deal of clarity to our situation.

Posted by: Patrick Fitzpatrick at June 09, 2019 02:52 PM (C1NyB)

46 Either prepare to surrender, prepare to endure, or prepare to GTFO and ride it out somewhere else.
Posted by: lurker (the other one) at June 09, 2019 02:47 PM (67XdO)

Yup....When they kick at your front door, how you gonna come with your hands on your head or on the trigger of your gun?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 09, 2019 02:53 PM (Z+IKu)

47 People who buy privately and legally are pretty much the same population as those who buy through FFLs.

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I have owned dozens of guns, since I was but a mere stripling, and never bought one at a store.

Are they writing your name? Yes. Take a hard pass on that.

Here in CO, the law states that all records of background checks are discarded after the purchase.

And I believe that our betters follow that law just as strictly as they follow all the other laws they constantly and enthusiastically break with open disregard for whether or not anyone knows it.

I'm thankful for my old man explaining these things to me as a kid. It prevented me from ever giving them a convenient paper trail on the guns I lost in that damned canoe.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 09, 2019 02:53 PM (5aX2M)

48 ..
They don't need 4473's anymore. The
commerical panopticon created by the tech giants is the most effective
and complete surveillance system ever devised by man.
Posted by: lurker (the other one) at June 09, 2019 02:44 PM (67XdO)

My brother is a police officer in a big east coast city. A law firm recently conducted a study of police social media postings to determine if they are violating internal Dept policy. They looked for posts that were racist (of course) but also "offensive" or "displaying implicit bias". They focused on 5 or 6 cities, including my brother's.

My brother does not post under his name, and does not identify himself as a police officer on his facebook page. 8 of his posts were identified as offensive. 7 of these posts were simply re-posting links to Fox News, Breitbart, or other Conservative media regarding crimes or immigration (basically what the attorney running the study determined was offensive or biased, based on her own bias).

They did not list his name, but the report had his screen name, District, rank, and badge number.

Posted by: elliot at June 09, 2019 02:55 PM (1PAtI)

49 What is this gun thing, aren't they all mounted on the back of a little Toyota truck? pew pew.

Posted by: Infidel at June 09, 2019 02:56 PM (xzK3J)

50 I am an absolutist on this. I don't care if non-incarcerated criminals have access to firearms. I am pretty sure I am in a small minority on this.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 09, 2019 02:56 PM (r+sAi)

51 Well, now I am well and truly worried.

I am now finally legal in CT (though in danger of moving to a worse state) but I always thought that anything I had and used in the house was castle doctrine stuff.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 09, 2019 02:56 PM (fuK7c)

52 Guy, I don't think you are in the minority. Criminals already have access to guns, largely through theft or via street purchase.

I recognize this, and I also recognize that the way to address it is not to disarm the law abiding, but to encourage firearm ownership.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at June 09, 2019 02:58 PM (IfYaq)

53 Form 4473s are intended for tracking guns used in
crimes, not as a means of registration. That's why they are not sent
into the ATF but rather are kept at the FFL.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 02:18 PM

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Yep, plus the NICS check only has your identifying information. They do not get the type of firearm, caliber or a serial number that you are buying. They only get your information, name, DOB and address.

Additionally, all records of approved transactions are destroyed on a daily basis.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 09, 2019 02:58 PM (JUOKG)

54 I am now finally legal in CT (though in danger of moving to a worse state) but I always thought that anything I had and used in the house was castle doctrine stuff.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 09, 2019 02:56 PM (fuK7c)

You can use that for defense of the act, but not defense of the possession. That's separate.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2019 02:58 PM (t+qrx)

55 All my guns went down with the boat.

Bad storm.
I blame global warming.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 09, 2019 02:59 PM (Dh1wo)

56 They did not list his name, but the report had his screen name, District, rank, and badge number.

Posted by: elliot at June 09, 2019 02:55 PM (1PAtI)

Should've told them he identified as Somali.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 09, 2019 02:59 PM (gHApq)

57 Sara A. Carter @SaraCarterDC
It takes hard work and patience - no room for errors here - they just need to stay the course and it will eventually happen. I believe that and understand the frustration

Godlyforce @Godlyforce808
Replying to @SaraCarterDC @realDonaldTrump
Sara this theatre is getting boring...we need to hold these people accountable no more y'all

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 09, 2019 03:00 PM (BqBId)

58 48. How did they track him down? That was the Plain View project.

Posted by: kallisto at June 09, 2019 03:00 PM (x7OgJ)

59 You can use that for defense of the act, but not defense of the possession. That's separate.

I understand that *now*. Dinna know it earlier.

If I do end up moving I'm going to have to spend some quality time with Andrew Branca.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 09, 2019 03:01 PM (fuK7c)

60 Ack!

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 09, 2019 03:01 PM (fuK7c)

61 Good save, Bandy!!

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at June 09, 2019 03:02 PM (IfYaq)

62 Of course registration is not benign.

It's pushed by people who have flat out stated that they want to confiscate our guns, and they're just settling for "common sense" laws (as if to tacitly admit that their further goal is NOT common sense).

If a guy has told you directly (and repeatedly), "I fantasize about raping your children," what is your response if he asks, "Can I babysit your kids?"

Hey! It's just babysitting, right? How can you connect that to his admitted fantasy of rape? Those are 2 different topics, right?

...Right?

Posted by: RKae at June 09, 2019 03:02 PM (hEma3)

63 Philly cops were examined by that project.

Posted by: kallisto at June 09, 2019 03:03 PM (x7OgJ)

64 "48My brother is a police officer in a big east coast
city. A law firm recently conducted a study of police social media
postings to determine if they are violating internal Dept policy. They
looked for posts that were racist (of course) but also "offensive" or
"displaying implicit bias". They focused on 5 or 6 cities, including my
brother's.

My brother does not post under his name, and does not
identify himself as a police officer on his facebook page. 8 of his
posts were identified as offensive. 7 of these posts were simply
re-posting links to Fox News, Breitbart, or other Conservative media
regarding crimes or immigration (basically what the attorney running the
study determined was offensive or biased, based on her own bias).

They did not list his name, but the report had his screen name, District, rank, and badge number.

Posted by: elliot at June 09, 2019 02:55 PM (1PAtI)"
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This could honestly warrant a Sunday Gun Thread topic all to itself, because it's generally related.
Unless he took some really extreme precautions, your brother DID post under his name, ID'ed as a cop. If he is using his own PC or mobile device, on his own network, there is absolutely no way that post isn't easily and immediately traceable to him.
Misunderstandings like this are going to get people killed at some point. If it's a matter of life or death, you need to be using burner equipment on someone else's network, or public equipment, while minimizing your exposure to public and private cameras, and - this is really important - NOT carrying any of your own tech (even turned off), and not using transport that can be linked to you.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at June 09, 2019 03:03 PM (67XdO)

65 People need to understand that we're living in a surveillance dystopia that makes the East Germany look like a joke, and that the people flailing away trying to cement their grip on the levers of power are Maoist-style zealots.

Either prepare to surrender, prepare to endure, or prepare to GTFO and ride it out somewhere else.
Posted by: lurker (the other one) at June 09, 2019 02:47 PM (67XdO)

Once they run out of money it will like East Germany too.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 09, 2019 03:03 PM (1g7ch)

66 Does one dare take an unregistered gun to a range in upstate NY?

Did the SAFE act require all ranges to check for permits?

I know you cannot buy handgun ammo in NY without a permit check, but if you show up with your own ammo, can you shoot at a range?

Posted by: Les Kinetic at June 09, 2019 03:04 PM (4ZE6o)

67 Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 09, 2019 02:56 PM (r+sAi)

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I hate the idea of felons voting, because those people are mostly non-political and will vote for whomever makes criming easier (Democrats). I don't like the idea of them owning guns either, because that makes their crimey ways even worse.

But, I can't approve of our current situation, where a man pays his debt to society, and isn't restored to full citizenship, ever.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 09, 2019 03:05 PM (5aX2M)

68 Just to make myself clear, Witchdoktor, I think it should be legal for any adult to own and purchase a gun regardless of past crimes. Its either a right or its not and should not be abridged.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 09, 2019 03:05 PM (r+sAi)

69 People need to understand that we're living in a surveillance dystopia that makes the East Germany look like a joke, and that the people flailing away trying to cement their grip on the levers of power are Maoist-style zealots.

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We need to carve this comment on our own version of the Georgia Guidestones.

It's probably the most important bit of information for everyone to understand.

Posted by: RKae at June 09, 2019 03:06 PM (hEma3)

70 Guy, I think we agree. So if we are the minority, I'm thinking I'm in good company.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at June 09, 2019 03:06 PM (IfYaq)

71 Form 4473s are intended for tracking guns used in
crimes, not as a means of registration. That's why they are not sent
into the ATF but rather are kept at the FFL.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 02:18 PM (yQpMk)

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but the ATF gets them when an FFL goes out of business.

no idea what they do with them though.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 09, 2019 02:50 PM

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They stay in a box or whatever package they are sent in and go into a Government storage facility in West Virginia.

There have been multiple articles about former ATF agents being pi$$ed off because they can't find records for guns used in crimes.

The ATF doesn't want to deal with them because the law says they can't create a searchable database so they just sit there.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 09, 2019 03:07 PM (JUOKG)

72 We do not register guns in TN.

Do they charge a fee to register your guns elsewhere? Most of the time I find money is the motivation behind a lot of government policy.

I'd be really concerned if they didn't charge a fee, because then obviously the only motivation would be data collection and the desire to hold owners legally liable for anything done with their firearm.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 09, 2019 03:08 PM (oFlMR)

73 Posted by: elliot at June 09, 2019 02:55 PM

I heard this story on the local news and suspended it was the thought police reading between words to have to find all this racism.

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2019 03:08 PM (BbGew)

74 I know you cannot buy handgun ammo in NY without a permit check
Posted by: Les Kinetic at June 09, 2019 03:04 PM (4ZE6o)

I didn't.

What about handloads? Is the bullet the serialized component, or is it not a cartridge until it's pressed? Or does having the components count as constructive possession?

Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2019 03:08 PM (t+qrx)

75 These are the parts that actually have the paper trail - the rest of the firearm aren't controlled items.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at June 09, 2019 02:37 PM (67XdO)
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give us time, comrade

Posted by: The Derp State at June 09, 2019 03:08 PM (V82u9)

76 I know you cannot buy handgun ammo in NY without a permit check

You can't buy long gun ammo in CT without a pistol permit. (There is a sort of alternative ammo permit but it's as much a pain in the ass as the pistol permit, so why not?).

In MA at least you could buy long gun ammo.

It's so arbitrary. Drive over the line to NH and the gas station / general store has ammo on the wall behind the clerk where cigarettes might be and they don't even ask for ID.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 09, 2019 03:09 PM (fuK7c)

77 ok good. Sometimes my writing isn't clear, public schools and all.

Resist us much!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 09, 2019 03:10 PM (r+sAi)

78 Even deeply conservative, rural mostly states like Kansas are infiltrated.

The HR depts. are not hiring conservatives. ask me how I know. For ex, the local college town has a police chief that spent most of his career in Arlington, VA. The public schools are all trans cheerleaders, the local city council is run as a master to slave plantation, enthusing about equality of outcomes. Etc.

One can adjust. But if 40% of the new replacement generation think socialism is the answer, we are in big trouble.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 09, 2019 03:10 PM (u82oZ)

79 NYS with its out of control AG is implementing Stazi leftist tactics all the way down the prosecutorial line.

Posted by: kallisto at June 09, 2019 03:12 PM (x7OgJ)

80 Convicted felons have forfeited their civil rights,
that's part of the felony penalty.

They should not be allowed to vote.
They should not be allowed gun ownership except for the protection of home and family.
A shotgun in the home, no traveling to the range.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 09, 2019 03:13 PM (eZaRj)

81 Nothing is benign. The Left is malignant. If you think otherwise at this point you're stupid and deserve tyranny.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at June 09, 2019 03:13 PM (H8QX8)

82 Just say you printed the bullet i.d. number on a grain of black powder in the casing like those guys that write Bible passages on grains of rice.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 09, 2019 03:14 PM (Dh1wo)

83 And stop liberals from buying handguns!

https://twitter.com/GarbHum/status/
1137129520106885120

Some fun replies too.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 09, 2019 03:15 PM (Dh1wo)

84 kallisto

We need a Brute Squad of our own.

Are there any crack commando units that were sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit? Who promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the rural underground? Who can help us in our time of need?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 09, 2019 03:16 PM (u82oZ)

85
Are there any crack commando units that were sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit? Who promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the rural underground? Who can help us in our time of need?
Posted by: NaCly Dog

The Ace-Team

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 09, 2019 03:17 PM (aKsyK)

86 Bertram Cabot, Jr.

us. Us. US??? We are in more trouble than I thought.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 09, 2019 03:18 PM (u82oZ)

87 The burglars should have demanded to see the paperwork.

Posted by: klaftern at June 09, 2019 03:18 PM (RuIsu)

88 58
48. How did they track him down? That was the Plain View project.

Posted by: kallisto at June 09, 2019 03:00 PM (x7OgJ)
This could honestly warrant a Sunday Gun Thread topic all to itself, because it's generally related.
Unless
he took some really extreme precautions, your brother DID post under
his name...

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at June 09, 2019 03:03 PM (67XdO)
I am sure he was not extra cautious, just tried to keep his account low profile. It would not surprise me if the department provided assistance in ID'ing accounts.

Posted by: elliot at June 09, 2019 03:18 PM (1PAtI)

89 We need a Brute Squad of our own.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 09, 2019 03:16 PM (u82oZ)

We had the "Proud Boys" but they've been targeted and criminalized. We will not be permitted to defend ourselves.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at June 09, 2019 03:19 PM (H8QX8)

90 Also people with speeding tickets should not be allowed buy alcohol.

Anybody with a printed typo should not be allowed to publish freely.
And definitely no cartoons of Moohamodd.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 09, 2019 03:20 PM (r+sAi)

91 OT:Donald Trump may be many things, but a giggly adolescent he ain't.

He's got to at least get a smile out of some of the Yugely winning.

Posted by: DaveA at June 09, 2019 03:20 PM (FhXTo)

92 Convicted felons have forfeited their civil rights,
that's part of the felony penalty.

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I could see this being reasonable in cases of things like murder, rape, kidnap or armed robbery, where you deny someone else their liberty. But we have many crimes defined as felonies that fall short of that mark. Ask Mike Flynn, for instance.

And, firearms ownership is a Constitutional right and a natural right, unlike voting (prior to the CW, anyway), which is a civil right.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 09, 2019 03:21 PM (5aX2M)

93

I have to pop in here and reiterate something I mention a few times regarding 4473's and the fact that you have, by filling it out defacto registered yourself.

And if you don't believe that some malignant little elves haven't been collating these files over time, then you haven't been paying attention.

Argue that, but I AM correct.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 09, 2019 03:22 PM (KATBx)

94 Convicted felons have forfeited their civil rights,
that's part of the felony penalty.

They should not be allowed to vote.
They should not be allowed gun ownership except for the protection of home and family.
A shotgun in the home, no traveling to the range.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 09, 2019 03:13 PM (eZaRj)

Well that's easy. They're untouchable to employers and can't even get an apartment lease, so no home to defend.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2019 03:22 PM (t+qrx)

95 Him physically pulling that guy around at NATO

Posted by: Braenyard at June 09, 2019 03:22 PM (eZaRj)

96 84. The Brute Squads wouldn't be necessary if soccer mommies in collar counties would only see the light. It would only take 15-20 per cent. We are in daoger of losing liberty because the left knows how to pull the strings of soft headed Ladies Who Lunch.

Posted by: kallisto at June 09, 2019 03:22 PM (x7OgJ)

97 was an eye opener

Posted by: Braenyard at June 09, 2019 03:23 PM (eZaRj)

98 There are also non-felony restrictions on gun ownership.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 09, 2019 03:23 PM (r+sAi)

99
Convicted felons have forfeited their civil rights, that's part of the felony penalty.
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I'm with YD that after all penalties have been served, petitioning the Court for restoration of civil rights is proper.

Mopes won't bother, but those who were honestly charged, sentenced, and completed all requirements, should be able to petition for restoration. This is not forgiveness, but acknowledgement of learning through punishment. If there is no chance for redemption, why even bother to attempt it.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 09, 2019 03:23 PM (MIKMs)

100 Tornados in Dallas? Flight diverted to Austin. In captivity on plane. Going to miss my connection. Aaarrrggghhh!

Posted by: Ladyl at June 09, 2019 03:24 PM (ZtM79)

101 Bad storm in Dallas, but it is already calmed down outside.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 09, 2019 03:26 PM (rnAwa)

102 I live in Texas. There might be a record of one weapon I own, but that's it. All of those others were purchased privately. And Texas has no registration.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 09, 2019 03:26 PM (V2Yro)

103 Do you insure your firearms? Insurance property records make a nice list.

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 03:27 PM (MVjcR)

104 The way to win this fight is to get more women to embrace the idea of gun ownership, for self defense and/or recreational. This may be an area where libertarian and not skeeredy cat lesbians can help out.

Posted by: kallisto at June 09, 2019 03:28 PM (x7OgJ)

105 Bad storm in Dallas, but it is already calmed down outside.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 09, 2019 03:26 PM (rnAwa)

This sounds like the start of a folksy weather aphorism. "Bad storm in Dallas, ne cede malis". Or something like that.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2019 03:28 PM (t+qrx)

106 I live in Texas. There might be a record of one weapon I own, but that's it. All of those others were purchased privately. And Texas has no registration.

Posted by: Tom Servo

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Thanks for the info!

Posted by: A commenter who is TOTALLY NOT the NSA at June 09, 2019 03:29 PM (hEma3)

107 Yep, plus the NICS check only has your identifying information. They do not get the type of firearm, caliber or a serial number that you are buying.

In the majority of states, if you have a CCW, they don't even get that. They get nothing.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 03:30 PM (yQpMk)

108

64 is not quote elderly unquote

Posted by: Zombie Joebob at June 09, 2019 03:30 PM (WvRss)

109 "8858

48. How did they track him down? That was the Plain View project.

Posted by: kallisto at June 09, 2019 03:00 PM (x7OgJ)
This could honestly warrant a Sunday Gun Thread topic all to itself, because it's generally related.
Unless

he took some really extreme precautions, your brother DID post under

his name...

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at June 09, 2019 03:03 PM (67XdO)

I am sure he was not extra cautious, just tried to keep his account
low profile. It would not surprise me if the department provided
assistance in ID'ing accounts.

Posted by: elliot at June 09, 2019 03:18 PM (1PAtI)"
..
All the Dept needs to do is provide a name. I think I'm failing to properly communicate this; if you post to an account via your own computer or mobile device, or post via an otherwise anonymous device that you've used on your own network, or used (geographically) from your home, you are busted. They know who you are.

There is no such thing as a "low profile account".

You can't even say, "oh, well, there are 3 other users in my home, they don't know which one was using a shared PC. Sorry, no. They can know if they care to know. The tech involved in discerning differences in patterns of keyboard and mouse inputs is (1) pretty mind blowing and (2) commercial in nature, and is already used for commercial purposes. Shit, some banks use it to sniff out unauthorized access to web banking.

The scope of the commercial spying isn't exactly secret at this point, but it blows my mind how few people are familiar with it. As I said up above, this is going to get people killed.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at June 09, 2019 03:30 PM (67XdO)

110 Aaarrrggghhh!

Posted by: Ladyl at June 09,
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Wichita, lightning on the runway, circling until low on fuel, speaker says were going to Dallas to refuel, people chanting let's just go on to KC.

While refueling Capt. decides to open the bar (comps all the way) - Distracted the passengers all the way back to Wichita.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 09, 2019 03:30 PM (eZaRj)

111 About a year ago I bought a single Action Colt Replica here.

6 shooter whose technology is 150 years old.

Why? Its about the only thing Legal in California, for now, and I wanted 'something' if I had to use, for JUST THIS REASON.

Posted by: Don Q, Pessimist who is a realist at June 09, 2019 03:31 PM (NgKpN)

112 64 is not quote elderly unquote

Sure it is. But five years from now it will be middle-aged.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 09, 2019 03:31 PM (fuK7c)

113
Wichita, lightning on the runway, circling until low on fuel, speaker says were going to Dallas to refuel, people chanting let's just go on to KC.

While refueling Capt. decides to open the bar (comps all the way) - Distracted the passengers all the way back to Wichita.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 09, 2019 03:30 PM (eZaRj)

So far we haven't been offered one damned perk.

Posted by: Ladyl at June 09, 2019 03:32 PM (ZtM79)

114 Weasel since you're here: check out Maj Toure, head of Black Guns Matter, a 2A advocate dedicated to minority outreach. He has met with Rand Paul and DJT and is running for city council in Phila.

Posted by: kallisto at June 09, 2019 03:32 PM (x7OgJ)

115 >> If You Think Gun Registration Is Benign, Think Again

You must be confusing us with liberals.

Yeah, I read that GP article this early am; disturbing but not surprising. Several northeast states have essentially nullified the 2A. Hence my vow to never travel there again.

Did you know that for a time GP had a reporter with a WH press pass? Well, as Newsweek reported on 11/29/17

The White House correspondent for far-right website the Gateway Pundit has been arrested for accosting a female protestor at an event at the University of Connecticut.

Lucian Wintrich, White House correspondent and Washington bureau chief for the website, was on campus to deliver a speech titled "It's OK to be white."

GP dumped him shortly thereafter. Not for the speech, but for the arrest.

And yet JJ Sefton is still waiting for his.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 09, 2019 03:32 PM (Z4rgH)

116 Its either a right or its not and should not be abridged.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 09, 2019 03:05 PM (r+sAi)

It is a fascinating issue. I flip-flop on this one all of the time.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 09, 2019 03:33 PM (wYseH)

117 114 Weasel since you're here: check out Maj Toure, head of Black Guns Matter, a 2A advocate dedicated to minority outreach. He has met with Rand Paul and DJT and is running for city council in Phila.
Posted by: kallisto at June 09, 2019 03:32 PM (x7OgJ)
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Will do. Thx

Posted by: Weasel at June 09, 2019 03:33 PM (MVjcR)

118 103 ... "Do you insure your firearms? Insurance property records make a nice list."

No insurance. It's just another layer of someone or entity with information I don't want known and open to government demands.

Posted by: JTB at June 09, 2019 03:35 PM (bmdz3)

119 I have to pop in here and reiterate something I mention a few times regarding 4473's and the fact that you have, by filling it out defacto registered yourself.

And if you don't believe that some malignant little elves haven't been collating these files over time, then you haven't been paying attention.

Argue that, but I AM correct.
Posted by: irongrampa at June 09, 2019 03:22 PM (KATBx)

There was a lawsuit a couple years back about the Background check people keeping records LONG after they were supposed to have deleted said data.

Courts found that Yes, indeed they were guilty of not following the law.

But there is no assurance at all that the data was not just moved to another group inside the government.

Posted by: Don Q, Pessimist who is a realist at June 09, 2019 03:36 PM (NgKpN)

120 If you want to see Kirk Douglas be a TOTAL BADASS (and a showoff) with a pistol... check out this clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA6OWF6kPC4

And for all you old-time Trekkies, the kid he's talking to is "The Squire of Gothos" from the original Star Trek series.

Posted by: RKae at June 09, 2019 03:36 PM (hEma3)

121 Open bar on a plane today would be pandemonium.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 09, 2019 03:37 PM (eZaRj)

122 As a side note, there are insurance companies that specialize in collectibles and firearms that work based on total valuations you provide, not on detailed lists. You can sidestep the worst of that persec issue.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at June 09, 2019 03:37 PM (67XdO)

123 Did they take his house because of the charge? How is that possible?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 09, 2019 03:37 PM (KtcMg)

124 Open bar on a plane today would be pandemonium.

You needn't rely on the magnanimity of the flight crew. Nips are TSA compliant and may be brought aboard in quantity.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 09, 2019 03:39 PM (fuK7c)

125 Better to be judged by 12, than carried by 6.

Posted by: Kingsnake at June 09, 2019 03:40 PM (3JbJY)

126 More and more like a Bond villain.

REPORT: Kim executes general in piranha-filled fish tank...

No, Mr. SoundOfSilverwareFallingOnMarbleFloor, I expect you to die!

https://bit.ly/2MAGnQB

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 09, 2019 03:40 PM (+y/Ru)

127 You needn't rely on the magnanimity of the flight crew. Nips are TSA compliant and may be brought aboard in quantity.

Posted by: Bandersnatch

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Nips?

Hmmm...

I still prefer the term "The Yellow Peril."

Posted by: RKae at June 09, 2019 03:40 PM (hEma3)

128 There was a lawsuit a couple years back about the Background check people keeping records LONG after they were supposed to have deleted said data.

Courts found that Yes, indeed they were guilty of not following the law.

But there is no assurance at all that the data was not just moved to another group inside the government.
Posted by: Don Q, Pessimist who is a realist at June 09, 2019 03:36 PM (NgKpN)

Or, in some cases, outside the government.

"New York Newspaper Publishes List of Concealed Carry Permit Holders Names, Addresses"

http://tinyurl.com/y49odj22

Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2019 03:41 PM (t+qrx)

129
If they are charging him with felony charges....Trump should pardon him immediately after the guilty sentence and start tweeting up a storm about overzealous DAs...

Any normal person can see the idiocy of the NY system here..... a lotta voters are getting pissed off about our two tier justice system only going after the little guy....

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at June 09, 2019 03:42 PM (0xnay)

130 If they are charging him with felony charges....Trump should pardon him immediately after the guilty sentence and start tweeting up a storm about overzealous DAs...
Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at June 09, 2019 03:42 PM (0xnay)

Presidents can't issue pardons for violations of state law, only federal.

Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2019 03:43 PM (t+qrx)

131 I don't think the President can pardon someone convicted under state law.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 09, 2019 03:43 PM (fuK7c)

132 It's hot in India so . . .

NPR: We All Owe Gore An Apology...

Get down on your knees and pray, heathens!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 09, 2019 03:44 PM (+y/Ru)

133 The feds know who the gun owners are, or at least they have the capability to generate a list very quickly.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

And who amongst the feds wants to volunteer to confiscate my firearms?

Posted by: Sock Monkey...just wondering at June 09, 2019 03:44 PM (SFrXU)

134 And yet JJ Sefton is still waiting for his.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 09, 2019 03:32 PM (Z4rgH)

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I have written several letters to the White House demanding rectification.

But that orange SOB won't pay me no mind

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 09, 2019 03:44 PM (5aX2M)

135 The police take a lot of dirty money to spend around

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 09, 2019 03:44 PM (DB2+9)

136 Better to be judged by 12, than carried by 6.

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I'll go with banged by three.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 09, 2019 03:45 PM (+y/Ru)

137 Fear not good citizens! I am on the job and fighting for your 2nd Amendment rights day and night!

Please send me a check for whatever you can afford to the FUDs Rife Association so I can buy the best suits and whores when I go to lobby on your behalf to our maste......err Congress men and women in Mordo....err Washington D.C!

I will send you a nice Wally World range bag full of other ideas on how you can send me mo money to keep me in the lifestyle I am accustomed to.....

Live Free and Give to me.....

Posted by: Wayne LaPenis at June 09, 2019 03:45 PM (Z+IKu)

138 The article says the house was condemned because the rightful defender of his person and property was apparently a hoarder and there was no electricity or water. I don't know if the state plans on keeping everything though.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 09, 2019 03:47 PM (r+sAi)

139 Did they take his house because of the charge? How is that possible?
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 09, 2019 03:37 PM (KtcMg)

The local article that's linked at the end of the one up there says that the house was condemned. Which may be legitimate, for all I know.

http://tinyurl.com/y2xa6nwx

Posted by: hogmartin at June 09, 2019 03:47 PM (t+qrx)

140 Since this is a mini-gun thread, enter here to win a M1 Garand.

https://wn.nr/5R5t7Z

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 03:48 PM (yQpMk)

141 After what I know now?

Let me do your dirty work, Horde.

Posted by: trev006 at June 09, 2019 03:48 PM (df8+0)

142 I'll go with banged by three.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 09, 2019 03:45 PM (+y/Ru)

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We're intrigued. Tell us more.

Posted by: Shep, Don Lemon, and Barry O at June 09, 2019 03:48 PM (5aX2M)

143 here in #Failifornia, they started keeping a register of handguns long ago, and added long guns a few years back.

and that's not counting the "assault weapon" registration, and all the other nonsense.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 09, 2019 03:49 PM (V82u9)

144 Open bar on a plane today would be pandemonium.

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No, dude. "Yadot enalp a no rab nepo" makes no sense.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at June 09, 2019 03:49 PM (+y/Ru)

145 Did they take his house because of the charge? How is that possible?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 09, 2019 03:37 PM (KtcMg)

Per GP's piece, the house was condemned and had no electric or water hookups.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 09, 2019 03:50 PM (Z4rgH)

146 Nice shooting Ronnie, but next time save a couple rounds for the LEOs.

Posted by: Regular paste eatin' joe at June 09, 2019 03:50 PM (6/uwW)

147 Argue that, but I AM correct.
Posted by: irongrampa

No doubt about that however I will ask again...Who will do the taking. NZ does not mirror what would occur in the US. California's attempts are woeful and pathetic. How many ATF agents are willing to lay their lives on the line?

Posted by: Sock Monkey....humbled tonight at June 09, 2019 03:50 PM (SFrXU)

148 Bandersnatch- correct, that's why NY AG is going after Trump/ associates for state finance laws

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2019 03:51 PM (BbGew)

149 Open bar on a plane today would be pandemonium.

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Pandemonium: a word from "Paradise Lost," meaning "the place of all demons."

Posted by: RKae at June 09, 2019 03:51 PM (hEma3)

150 Did they take his house because of the charge? How is that possible?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at June 09, 2019 03:37 PM (KtcMg)

Per GP's piece, the house was condemned and had no electric or water hookups.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 09, 2019 03:50 PM

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Yep, it was uninhabitable. They had a legitimate reason to condemn the house after they went there.

As far as the stuff inside, I doubt the State will take that from him.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 09, 2019 03:52 PM (JUOKG)

151 Vettel came in ahead of Hamilton but had a 5 second time penalty, so is now throwing a hissy fit.

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2019 03:54 PM (BbGew)

152 Law enforcement is a for-profit industry. Maybe they should get listed on the DJI.

Posted by: klaftern at June 09, 2019 03:54 PM (RuIsu)

153 So I inked a deal to sell the house, going to go to Albuquerque soon, visiting for my birthday. Going to move there, all my family left are there. Makes sense right?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 09, 2019 03:55 PM (DB2+9)

154 I don't know if the state plans on keeping everything though.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 09, 2019 03:47 PM (r+sAi)
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they will throw away everything they don't steal.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 09, 2019 03:55 PM (V82u9)

155 Tinfoilbaby, congrats on the sale and good luck on the move!

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at June 09, 2019 03:55 PM (dm05u)

156 So I inked a deal to sell the house, going to go to Albuquerque soon,
visiting for my birthday. Going to move there, all my family left are
there. Makes sense right?

Depends. You still like your family?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Not scanning your email for ad targetting at June 09, 2019 03:56 PM (0bu2O)

157 So I inked a deal to sell the house, going to go to Albuquerque soon, visiting for my birthday.

Don't miss the left turn there.

Posted by: Bugs at June 09, 2019 03:56 PM (yQpMk)

158 This is why I resist ALL efforts to curtail our 2nd Amendment rights. No matter how small or seemingly benign, every turn of the ratchet takes us just that bit closer.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 09, 2019 03:56 PM (NWiLs)

159 153 Yes

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2019 03:56 PM (BbGew)

160 Going to move there, all my family left are there. Makes sense right?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 09, 2019 03:55 PM (DB2+9)
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only if you like and get along with your family...

i've no real experience in that realm, so i can't really comment on such things.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 09, 2019 03:58 PM (V82u9)

161 As far as the stuff inside, I doubt the State will take that from him.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 09, 2019 03:52 PM (JUOKG)

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The GSA sells all kinds of stuff. Some of it is stuff that the government wouldn't normally buy, so I figure that comes from seizures/forfeitures.

But if you have half a million sitting around and gathering dust, they have a mothballed Black Hawk helicopter for sale (as of yesterday, anyway).

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 09, 2019 03:58 PM (5aX2M)

162 In many a Classic Western movie, there's scene where a rightfully convicted bad guy, or a wrongly convicted good guy, is being released from some Territorial Prison or another.

Highlighted in those scenes, are the Warden handing over the newly freed man's saddle, tack, gunbelt and gun(s).

Sometimes with an admonishment from the Warden to not get into further trouble with the guns, sometimes not.

But always, with the restoration of the true symbol of a free man. Armaments.

The loss of the Right to Arms post imprisonment, was I believe, a concurrent artifact of the Jim Crow era, and enacted for exactly all of those wrong reasons.

So, what those laws are really saying is "A: imprison the maximum number of young black men.", and "B: thus deny a significant percentage of the black population the right to arms, forevermore."

And yet, they rally large percentages of the black population to be anti-gun.

Go figure.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 09, 2019 04:00 PM (QzJWU)

163 Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 09, 2019 03:55 PM (DB2+9)

I like ABQ. If you have a choice, look for a place near Los Alamos or North of the city.

Posted by: Prince Tuesday at June 09, 2019 04:01 PM (vtd+q)

164 It looks like the UH-60 is up to $618,000 today.

https://tinyurl.com/y59erll8

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 09, 2019 04:02 PM (5aX2M)

165 Yep, it was uninhabitable. They had a legitimate reason to condemn the house after they went there.

As far as the stuff inside, I doubt the State will take that from him.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 09, 2019 03:52 PM (JUOKG)

So, not paying your Vig to the electricity and Water companies means they can condemn you property?

Not having running water and electricity? Means my MOM's house would have been condemned when she was a child.

Posted by: Don Q, Pessimist who is a realist at June 09, 2019 04:02 PM (NgKpN)

166 Gun thread related is this article from last week in American Greatness by Joe Long

Way Of The Sixgun -- An American Martial Art

https://tinyurl.com/yy9sspth

My dd would have loved to compete in this 30 years ago. He spent countless hours practicing quick draw, shooting from the hip etc. He often claimed he was born in the wrong century.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 09, 2019 04:03 PM (Z4rgH)

167 Me and my sister always watched out for each other, it's odd that that we were born in the 50's and are still 29.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at June 09, 2019 04:03 PM (DB2+9)

168 FOOD NOOD

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2019 04:04 PM (BbGew)

169 Pandemonium: a word from "Paradise Lost," meaning "the place of all demons."
Posted by: RKae at June 09, 2019 03:51 PM

So, Chappaqidick and Washington D.C.?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 09, 2019 04:04 PM (SqVzt)

170 Someone come help me

Posted by: Skip at June 09, 2019 04:05 PM (BbGew)

171 dd = dad

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 09, 2019 04:06 PM (Z4rgH)

172 So, what those laws are really saying is "A: imprison the maximum number
of young black men.", and "B: thus deny a significant percentage of the
black population the right to arms, forevermore."

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In effect, a life sentence.

Posted by: mustbequantum at June 09, 2019 04:08 PM (MIKMs)

173 158 This is why I resist ALL efforts to curtail our 2nd Amendment rights. No matter how small or seemingly benign, every turn of the ratchet takes us just that bit closer.
Posted by: Insomniac at June 09, 2019 03:56 PM (NWiLs)

"turn of the rachet"

I see where your mind is at, my friend!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 09, 2019 04:10 PM (sy5kK)

174 And yet, they rally large percentages of the black population to be anti-gun.

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I'm working on this. I've been promoting guns to black people for a couple years now. I've made good headway, particularly with younger ones.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 09, 2019 04:10 PM (5aX2M)

175 that bird is from 1983... talk about worn.

getting it certified for flight is gonna be expensive, IF it's even possible.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 09, 2019 04:11 PM (V82u9)

176 I just finished building a canoe with which to have tragic accident. True story. My Scouts build 17 foot seaworthy kayaks every three years.

McGyver,out

Posted by: McGyver at June 09, 2019 04:12 PM (HXPGd)

177 that bird is from 1983... talk about worn.
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So am I! Take it easy on us oldsters.

But, I've always heard when you buy one of these, you have to put a lot of money in them after the purchase.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 09, 2019 04:15 PM (5aX2M)

178 http://bit.ly/2ZgGbYo
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Page Tells Bartiromo He Was A Source For CIA But Later Used To Spin False Narrative Against Trump - Sara A. Carter

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 09, 2019 04:15 PM (BqBId)

179 So, not paying your Vig to the electricity and Water companies means they can condemn you property?

Not having running water and electricity? Means my MOM's house would have been condemned when she was a child.

Posted by: Don Q, Pessimist who is a realist at June 09, 2019 04:02 PM

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So would my mom's house but this isn't 1940.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 09, 2019 04:15 PM (JUOKG)

180 Page Tells Bartiromo He Was A Source For CIA But Later Used To Spin False Narrative Against Trump - Sara A. Carter

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 09, 2019 04:15 PM

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He is trying to get in front of AG Barr's investigation.

He should probably start a go fund me page for his legal expenses.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 09, 2019 04:17 PM (JUOKG)

181 The state has confiscated his home as well. He collected Atari and Commodore systems from the 80s. The prosecutor labeled him a hoarder.

This DA is a world class cocksucking douchebag.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 09, 2019 04:19 PM (oVJmc)

182 When the Spectrum sales guy came and pounded on my door, non stop, I thought the day had come. If it was 4 am I would know they were the Gestapo and were here for my guns.Don't all 23 (so far) Democrats running for President want you guns??

Posted by: Colin at June 09, 2019 04:19 PM (h3w1L)

183 Going to be an interesting day when Rifle Claus starts making his way around, gifting all the good little boys and girls with weapons and ammo "because soon".

I'm dead serious. At some point it's going to make sense for some of these arsenals to get distributed just to keep the tracking difficult. Then you won't know who is or isn't armed, even through the Big Brother Tech.

Honestly, if that day comes, that's the day to be scared.

Posted by: I'm Brother Cavil, and I ain't recommending shit at the moment at June 09, 2019 04:24 PM (lLeln)

184 If old Commodores and Ataris make you a hoarder, I'm in real trouble.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 09, 2019 04:29 PM (oVJmc)

185 180 Page Tells Bartiromo He Was A Source For CIA But Later Used To Spin False Narrative Against Trump - Sara A. Carter

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at June 09, 2019 04:15 PM

This is some interesting time line documentation, I'm not familiar with the source.

https://pastebin.com/mtpKLNzB

Posted by: Braenyard at June 09, 2019 04:30 PM (O1adx)

186 The state has confiscated his home as well. He collected Atari and Commodore systems from the 80s. The prosecutor labeled him a hoarder.

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Two bricks of .22LR you bought when they were in stock a couple of years ago = arsenal

Posted by: Robbie Ray Moron - Mitch are you fo' real?!! at June 09, 2019 04:37 PM (Pyztr)

187 Liberals lets be reasonable on gun control. Gunners NO! Liberals very well we will be unreasonable too! H e who wants all gets nothing. Trump we will use national emergency powers to get what we want. Nancy pelosi very well so will we! Despite the blathering of you gun nuts here right to bare arms does NOT say anything about bullets. As you will find out when president AOC packs the supreme court with liberal judges.

Posted by: raimondo at June 09, 2019 04:37 PM (mVeJ4)

188 Shh! Nobody tell him what wheel weights are made of!

Posted by: Robbie Ray Moron - Mitch are you fo' real?!! at June 09, 2019 04:39 PM (Pyztr)

189 Raimondo wants you all to know he's a retard.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 09, 2019 04:42 PM (oVJmc)

190 Raimondo wants you all to know he's a retard.

He's a retarded racist foreigner.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 04:47 PM (yQpMk)

191 or, a sock. I've wondered. Someone really that stupid would forget to breath.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 04:48 PM (yQpMk)

192 Retards are morons who think the 2nd amendments means bullets when it doesn't say so because you want it to mean bullets.

Posted by: raimondo at June 09, 2019 04:53 PM (mVeJ4)

193 Piss off, racist foreign fucksack.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at June 09, 2019 04:54 PM (yQpMk)

194 IT SAYS ARMS!!!

NOT LEGS!!!

ARMS!!!

Posted by: Robbie Ray Moron - Mitch are you fo' real?!! at June 09, 2019 04:55 PM (MguvT)

195 Grump928(C)

raimondo. Youtube or zero hedge commenter. They exist. They even breed.

But they are lacking knowledge from Science and the Age of Reason.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 09, 2019 05:00 PM (u82oZ)

196 Doesn't raimindo have a college bake sale to run? That $11,000,000 isn't going to raise itself.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider: LOL, get fucked at June 09, 2019 05:17 PM (T8HPM)

197 "Additionally, all records of approved transactions are destroyed on a daily basis.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 09, 2019 02:58 PM (JUOKG)"

Not all records. Is your gun store using Salesforce to manage the accounting, inventory, ordering, etc.? I guarandamntee you that that data is even now being exported from the database into a separate cloud storage. And yes, that includes even supposedly non-trackable parts.

"Gee, Mr. Gunstore owner, who'd you sell this AR-15 cleaning kit to?"

Posted by: SDN at June 09, 2019 05:55 PM (tyEy7)

198 It's amazing how stupidity can fill in the holes of ignorance.

Posted by: pawn at June 09, 2019 11:29 PM (VQAMj)

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