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Shale Oil: Perpetual Priapism Or A Flash In The Pan?
I won't bore you with a discussion of the good things about shale oil production, other than to point out the magnificent case of schadenfreude most of us have watching the world oil markets being turned on their heads, the United States of America becoming the number one oil producer, and the economic dislocation of lower oil prices falling disproportionately on countries that deserve it (Russia, Venezuela, etc.). But the critics need to be noticed, not for any particular insight or wisdom in their analysis, but rather for their conspicuous lack of historical perspective and a startling lack of economic knowledge.
Is the Shale Revolution Here to Stay?The critics’ argument is threefold. First, they claim that the shale boom depended on huge amounts of debt that was doled out without serious consideration for whether shale producers would be able to pay it back. Second, critics are worried that there’s less shale oil available than originally believed, reflected in shale wells’ depletion rates. Third, they see limited room for growth in the profitability of shale production as shale’s break-even price has stagnated. Combine these factors, the critics say, and you get an industry that will not endure. This Deep Dive will take a closer look at these criticisms and explore whether, in fact, U.S. shale really is an economically sustainable industry.The first argument is idiotic. Why do the debts of an industry have any bearing on the future viability of that industry. If my shale oil company borrowed money to run the business or grow it or whatever, and it failed, the underlying business is still there, to be liquidated by creditors, presumably by being sold to the next guy who thinks that shale oil is viable. That's sort of how free markets work. There is no guarantee of success, which is why that original money was lent in exchange for interest or a share of the company or both. We need to look no further than the example of the airline industry to refute this ridiculous premise. The second argument is similarly nonsensical. "Peak Oil" has been refuted so often and for so many years that it has become a punch line. The third argument is simply odd. A stagnating break-even price for shale oil is a snapshot in time, nothing more. It is not immutable, and judging by the improvements in technology in other parts of the oil industry, one can assume future improvements in shale oil extraction technology. But even if the stagnation were permanent, the well-head price using existing technology has had tremendous effects on oil markets, so there is no reason to assume that growth in profitability is necessary for the continued success of the industry. Read the article, it is worthwhile and evenhanded. And there is plenty of information that supports an optimistic view of shale oil as an ongoing industry.
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Posted by: Skip at May 19, 2019 12:16 PM (BbGew)
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Shale saved the whale.
Posted by: BignJames at May 19, 2019 12:18 PM (ykq7q)
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I don't think there would be so much demand to ban it in pursuit of ineffective, pointless methods of wasting energy if it wasn't a viable long term solution that will just become more efficient and refined over time.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Media Controls the Whether Machines at May 19, 2019 12:18 PM (lPsvG)
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Horde dutifully summoned.
There are scientists who think oil is still ( why wouldn't it be?) being made by the earth.
Now for the artical
There are scientists who think oil is still ( why wouldn't it be?) being made by the earth.
Now for the artical
Posted by: Skip at May 19, 2019 12:18 PM (BbGew)
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First, they claim that the shale boom depended on huge amounts of debt that was doled out without serious consideration for whether shale producers would be able to pay it back.
First, they claim that the GOVERNMENT boom depended on huge amounts of debt that was doled out without serious consideration for whether the GOVERNMENT would be able to pay it back.
First, they claim that the GOVERNMENT boom depended on huge amounts of debt that was doled out without serious consideration for whether the GOVERNMENT would be able to pay it back.
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 19, 2019 12:21 PM (JFO2v)
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See also: nuclear
Some Moron comically pointed out that more people in the US have been killed installing and maintaining solar panels than have died from nuclear plants.
Some Moron comically pointed out that more people in the US have been killed installing and maintaining solar panels than have died from nuclear plants.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Media Controls the Whether Machines at May 19, 2019 12:22 PM (lPsvG)
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Austrian-born Jewish physicist Tom Gold is one of the smartest guys of the 20th Century, and was an early proponent of abiogenic production of oil deep in the Earth.
Either that or all the dinosaurs got together in one place to die.
Take your pick
Either that or all the dinosaurs got together in one place to die.
Take your pick
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 19, 2019 12:24 PM (1UZdv)
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Great, now I'm down to one free article left.
I suppose there are still hits and misses with fracking as with conventional drilling.
I suppose there are still hits and misses with fracking as with conventional drilling.
Posted by: Skip at May 19, 2019 12:26 PM (BbGew)
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I remember the elites telling us proles that the oil would run out in 1978 or some such and we would be having horses pull our cars around like in a Twlight Zone episode on the way to watch our new national past time, soccer.
Like Waylan Jennings sang.......Wrong.
Like Waylan Jennings sang.......Wrong.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 19, 2019 12:27 PM (Z+IKu)
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First, they claim that the shale boom depended on huge amounts of debt that was doled out without serious consideration for whether shale producers would be able to pay it back.
Kinda like ... the US in general, no?
Kinda like ... the US in general, no?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 12:28 PM (if8r4)
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Ate these same people worried about debt being piled up worried the same about solar power?
Posted by: Skip at May 19, 2019 12:28 PM (BbGew)
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First, they claim that the shale boom depended on huge amounts of debt that was doled out without serious consideration for whether shale producers would be able to pay it back.
Leave Solyndra, Tesla, etc. out of this.
Leave Solyndra, Tesla, etc. out of this.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 12:29 PM (if8r4)
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This is just another anti-oil (progress) rant. It totally leaves out the fact that money (without government intervention) will flow to some combination of return and safety of capital. Buying land or renting the land (lease) allows the landholder to exchange illiquid capital for more liquid capital. Landholders can even put limitations on their lease so that lessees must not just lock up the land but begin production for producers to innovate of leave.
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 19, 2019 12:29 PM (JFO2v)
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Guy I know has acreage in Lehigh Valley, turned out to be part of a shale field. He lucked out, bigly.
Posted by: kallisto at May 19, 2019 12:30 PM (80Uh3)
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Did you see the presser of President Trump at the opening of the $10 Billion LNG plant in LA?
He attempted to refer/pronounce it as the Calcasieu plant but couldn't pronounce the word. "Hey, y'all have been saying it all your lives, I just
saw it twenty minutes ago. I'll call it the I-10 plant, OK?"
Just like the guy who wore a blue suit to the Iowa State Fair. Bingo
He attempted to refer/pronounce it as the Calcasieu plant but couldn't pronounce the word. "Hey, y'all have been saying it all your lives, I just
saw it twenty minutes ago. I'll call it the I-10 plant, OK?"
Just like the guy who wore a blue suit to the Iowa State Fair. Bingo
Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2019 12:30 PM (7cJE3)
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I remember the elites telling us proles that the oil would run out in 1978 or some such and we would be having horses pull our cars around like in a Twlight Zone episode
Bernie is "The Old Man In the Cave"
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0734669
I remember the elites telling us proles that the oil would run out in 1978 or some such and we would be having horses pull our cars around like in a Twlight Zone episode
Bernie is "The Old Man In the Cave"
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0734669
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2019 12:32 PM (aKsyK)
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Landholders can even put limitations on their lease so that lessees must not just lock up the land but begin production for producers to innovate of leave.
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 19, 2019 12:29 PM (JFO2v)
Hmmm....sounds like lawyers will be involved....nothing happens w/out lawyers.
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 19, 2019 12:29 PM (JFO2v)
Hmmm....sounds like lawyers will be involved....nothing happens w/out lawyers.
Posted by: BignJames at May 19, 2019 12:33 PM (ykq7q)
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Hey, y'all have been saying it all your lives, I just
saw it twenty minutes ago. I'll call it the I-10 plant, OK?"
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That's so refreshing compared to the" Chee-lay" and "Nee-cah-rrrrrrrr-auguah" the smartest black man in the world always tried to do.
Strangely, he never said Deutschland or Nippon.
saw it twenty minutes ago. I'll call it the I-10 plant, OK?"
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That's so refreshing compared to the" Chee-lay" and "Nee-cah-rrrrrrrr-auguah" the smartest black man in the world always tried to do.
Strangely, he never said Deutschland or Nippon.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Media Controls the Whether Machines at May 19, 2019 12:34 PM (lPsvG)
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Drive by comment because I am on vacation, spending some of the .money earned from shale freaking.
The frak process changed completely and is still in the refining / improving phase. Cost of fraking is still coming down due to improvements in materials and equipment design.
The frak process changed completely and is still in the refining / improving phase. Cost of fraking is still coming down due to improvements in materials and equipment design.
Posted by: tbodie at May 19, 2019 12:35 PM (IrbWq)
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Well it doesn't matter what the oil/power/climate/ozone/pollution crisis is, if we just agree to a 30% increase in taxes and give it to the Dems it will all be better.
Or is it a 40% increase?
Anyway it doesn't matter as we will all enjoy utopia.
Or is it a 40% increase?
Anyway it doesn't matter as we will all enjoy utopia.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 19, 2019 12:35 PM (0tfLf)
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You know, it's almost like the difference between thinking you're smart and knowing you're smart.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Media Controls the Whether Machines at May 19, 2019 12:35 PM (lPsvG)
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I had a decent amount invested in energy companies from a few years ago. On one hand, energy still looks like an undervalued part of the stock market, but it just never seems to want to fully recover.
I think oil prices have a ceiling thanks to all the advances we've made in oil extraction. Good for the American consumer, bad for energy investors.
I also think this is the last generation where internal combustion engines will make up a majority of new cars. I can see oil being like coal is today. Still being extracted and used, but not like it was years ago.
I think oil prices have a ceiling thanks to all the advances we've made in oil extraction. Good for the American consumer, bad for energy investors.
I also think this is the last generation where internal combustion engines will make up a majority of new cars. I can see oil being like coal is today. Still being extracted and used, but not like it was years ago.
Posted by: Blago at May 19, 2019 12:35 PM (UfkIY)
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The Leftist fantasy is any field is a Zero-sum Pie they control to see who gets a slice from.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 19, 2019 12:35 PM (NpoKk)
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Pock-e-stahn
Posted by: kallisto at May 19, 2019 12:37 PM (80Uh3)
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We shale overcome.
Posted by: 40 miles north at May 19, 2019 12:37 PM (o2vOl)
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Pockey Stahn was always so f*cking awful to hear.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Media Controls the Whether Machines at May 19, 2019 12:38 PM (lPsvG)
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We shale gather at the river....
Posted by: Diogenes at May 19, 2019 12:38 PM (0tfLf)
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"We will be left with a world that is dramatically shaped by climate change, because it will mean huge new plantations of solar panel plants. It will mean plantations of carbon-capture technology which suck carbon out of the atmosphere. It will mean an entirely new infrastructure. It will mean new kinds of airplanes, new kinds of public transportation. It will mean a new approach to diet and agriculture."
https://tinyurl.com/y49n7k9y
"We will be left with a world that is dramatically shaped by climate change, because it will mean huge new plantations of solar panel plants. It will mean plantations of carbon-capture technology which suck carbon out of the atmosphere. It will mean an entirely new infrastructure. It will mean new kinds of airplanes, new kinds of public transportation. It will mean a new approach to diet and agriculture."
https://tinyurl.com/y49n7k9y
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2019 12:39 PM (aKsyK)
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The Lord is My Shepherd, I Shale Not Want.
Posted by: 40 miles north at May 19, 2019 12:39 PM (o2vOl)
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I think oil prices have a ceiling thanks to all the advances we've made in oil extraction. Good for the American consumer, bad for energy investors.
There's never a ceiling. There's never a bottom.
There's never a ceiling. There's never a bottom.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2019 12:39 PM (7cJE3)
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They're worried about the debts run up by the shale industry? These are the very same people who cheered the outrageous some of taxpayer money flushed down the toilet during the Obummer era. Solyndra, anyone? At least the shale people stand a very good chance of recouping their money. And it is *their* money, not tax dollars stolen from us to shower on Bambi's friends.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin at May 19, 2019 12:39 PM (ebZss)
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You Shale Know Them By Their Fruits.
Posted by: 40 miles north at May 19, 2019 12:40 PM (o2vOl)
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Sums not some. Damn auto cucumber.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin at May 19, 2019 12:40 PM (ebZss)
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panel plants. It will mean plantations of carbon-capture technology which suck carbon out of the atmosphere. It will mean an entirely new infrastructure...
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Say, you know what can't be used to produce solar panels, carbon capture technology, and entirely new infrastructure?
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Say, you know what can't be used to produce solar panels, carbon capture technology, and entirely new infrastructure?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Media Controls the Whether Machines at May 19, 2019 12:41 PM (lPsvG)
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This is just another anti-oil (progress) rant. It totally leaves out the fact that money (without government intervention) will flow to some combination of return and safety of capital.
Exactly. It's of a piece with objecting to the Keystone Pipeline.
Now as for efforts to reduce American petroleum output, let me ask the obvious question: cui bono?
Yeah, the people Trump colludes with are at the top of the list, and they have longstanding ties to the Democrat Party and other leftist organizations. Remember the CND crap in Europe? All bought and paid for by the KGB, which some participants now sheepishly admit.
Exactly. It's of a piece with objecting to the Keystone Pipeline.
Now as for efforts to reduce American petroleum output, let me ask the obvious question: cui bono?
Yeah, the people Trump colludes with are at the top of the list, and they have longstanding ties to the Democrat Party and other leftist organizations. Remember the CND crap in Europe? All bought and paid for by the KGB, which some participants now sheepishly admit.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 12:42 PM (if8r4)
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Nah. As a matter of fact, Eagle production is constrained by transportation. Output has been maxed for several years now...
FWIW, transportation has been the biggest single hindrance to US production over the past half decade or longer. Ms mouse has worked w/pipeline and transport companies for years and can give anyone an earful on this...
FWIW, transportation has been the biggest single hindrance to US production over the past half decade or longer. Ms mouse has worked w/pipeline and transport companies for years and can give anyone an earful on this...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 19, 2019 12:42 PM (6qErC)
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Plantations? Isn't that a racist triggering word?
And how do they square saving Gaia when these thousands of hectares of solar panels destroy habitat?
And how do they square saving Gaia when these thousands of hectares of solar panels destroy habitat?
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 19, 2019 12:43 PM (NpoKk)
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It's comical that you can search for
how many solar panels does it take to produce a single solar panel
and there are no results.
how many solar panels does it take to produce a single solar panel
and there are no results.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 12:43 PM (EOEiY)
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Shale I compare thee to a summer's day?
Posted by: Almost Shakespeare at May 19, 2019 12:44 PM (o2vOl)
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bad for energy investors.
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That's a huge part of what's driving this alternative fuel/solar power BS.
Insider trading isn't illegal for politicians. They intend to be modern oil barons.
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That's a huge part of what's driving this alternative fuel/solar power BS.
Insider trading isn't illegal for politicians. They intend to be modern oil barons.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 12:44 PM (EOEiY)
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It will mean plantations of carbon-capture technology which suck carbon money out of the atmosphere taxpayers' wallets, and give leftist government officials more power.
FIFY.
FIFY.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 12:44 PM (if8r4)
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There's never a ceiling. There's never a bottom.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2019 12:39 PM (7cJE3)
There's ALWAYS a bottom.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2019 12:39 PM (7cJE3)
There's ALWAYS a bottom.
Posted by: Reggie Love at May 19, 2019 12:45 PM (NWiLs)
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F*ck!
Just walked out on the porch and found that the Stihl weedeater and Stihl chainsaw that I had left out overnight were stolen.
Very safe neighborhood, but increasing numbers of hispanic construction and yard workers are passing through.
Not a good thing to have to deal with on Sunday.
Just walked out on the porch and found that the Stihl weedeater and Stihl chainsaw that I had left out overnight were stolen.
Very safe neighborhood, but increasing numbers of hispanic construction and yard workers are passing through.
Not a good thing to have to deal with on Sunday.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 19, 2019 12:45 PM (CDGwz)
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As a matter of fact, Eagle production is constrained by transportation. Output has been maxed for several years now...
FWIW, transportation has been the biggest single hindrance to US production over the past half decade or longer. Ms mouse has worked w/pipeline and transport companies for years and can give anyone an earful on this...
Posted by: Anon a mouse
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The companies building pipelines are getting fought by well funded environmentalists. Judges are all too happy to give these frivolous lawsuits the time of day.
I was reading one where because some construction workers didn't clean up all their litter on a pipeline build, a lawsuit was filed as if there was "pollution" from a spill and a judge green lighted that particular line of reasoning.
FWIW, transportation has been the biggest single hindrance to US production over the past half decade or longer. Ms mouse has worked w/pipeline and transport companies for years and can give anyone an earful on this...
Posted by: Anon a mouse
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The companies building pipelines are getting fought by well funded environmentalists. Judges are all too happy to give these frivolous lawsuits the time of day.
I was reading one where because some construction workers didn't clean up all their litter on a pipeline build, a lawsuit was filed as if there was "pollution" from a spill and a judge green lighted that particular line of reasoning.
Posted by: Blago at May 19, 2019 12:45 PM (UfkIY)
Posted by: BignJames at May 19, 2019 12:45 PM (ykq7q)
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Peak Oil was based on the understanding of oil and its origins at the time: it made sense that if oil was compressed ancient forest land that it would be very finite and limited. Except there's so much out there and so much more is being found that its petty obviously not coming from ancient forests.
Every time someone would announce peak oil or it started gaining notice and influence, someone would find another gigantic sea of oil. Over and over this has happened, and you really don't see it coming up much any longer.
Every time someone would announce peak oil or it started gaining notice and influence, someone would find another gigantic sea of oil. Over and over this has happened, and you really don't see it coming up much any longer.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 12:46 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 19, 2019 12:46 PM (wYseH)
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The only problem with electric cars is energy storage. When we can drive an electric car four hundred miles or eight hours with the air conditioner on from one charge and that charge costing no more than the equivalent today in gas the internal combustion engine will fade to job specific use.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2019 12:46 PM (7cJE3)
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I'm still trying to figure out the solar panels on an east-facing roof -- in Northern Illinois, for heaven's sake. My ignorant impression would be that a south-facing roof would be most beneficial, but is the writeoff so much that over half the day there is little to no sunlight?
None of this nonsense makes sense to me.
None of this nonsense makes sense to me.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 19, 2019 12:47 PM (MIKMs)
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We shale go on to the end.
We shale fight in France,
we shale fight on the seas and oceans,
we shale fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air.
We shale defend our island, whatever the cost may be.
We shale fight on the beaches,
we shale fight on the landing-grounds,
we shale fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shale fight in the hills.
We shale never surrender!
We shale fight in France,
we shale fight on the seas and oceans,
we shale fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air.
We shale defend our island, whatever the cost may be.
We shale fight on the beaches,
we shale fight on the landing-grounds,
we shale fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shale fight in the hills.
We shale never surrender!
Posted by: Almost Churchill at May 19, 2019 12:47 PM (o2vOl)
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Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 19, 2019 12:42 PM (6qErC)
Very interesting that transportation, America's specialty, became the roadblock to progress under O's administration.
Very interesting that transportation, America's specialty, became the roadblock to progress under O's administration.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 19, 2019 12:47 PM (phT8I)
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Speaking of, we laughed about it yesterday but the reason Tesla keeps breaking lap records at short tracks is
1) Because electric cars can be very fast.
2) Electric cars can't race at long tracks.
Apparently Nurburgring, the big famous place in Germany where manufactures brag about their time, takes around 8 minutes to lap, and Teslas can't race that way for 8 minutes.
1) Because electric cars can be very fast.
2) Electric cars can't race at long tracks.
Apparently Nurburgring, the big famous place in Germany where manufactures brag about their time, takes around 8 minutes to lap, and Teslas can't race that way for 8 minutes.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 12:47 PM (EOEiY)
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Solar panels will lead to an explosion of squeegee jobs in the snow belt.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y29bglc2
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y29bglc2
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 19, 2019 12:47 PM (NpoKk)
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https://tinyurl.com/y49n7k9y
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2019 12:39 PM (aKsyK)
Look on the bright side: he's giving us 30 years. Last I heard it was 12, so we've got another 18 years without doing a damned thing.
And he's a journalist, so he knows things. Things you and I wouldn't understand.
So, David Wallace-Wells, tell us a story ... (sits down on floor cross-legged, eagerly waiting to hear a fairy tale)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2019 12:39 PM (aKsyK)
Look on the bright side: he's giving us 30 years. Last I heard it was 12, so we've got another 18 years without doing a damned thing.
And he's a journalist, so he knows things. Things you and I wouldn't understand.
So, David Wallace-Wells, tell us a story ... (sits down on floor cross-legged, eagerly waiting to hear a fairy tale)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 12:48 PM (if8r4)
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This is just another anti-oil (progress) rant.
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 19, 2019 12:29 PM (JFO2v)
No...the article is evenhanded and quite interesting. I quoted the critics because their arguments are stupid.
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 19, 2019 12:29 PM (JFO2v)
No...the article is evenhanded and quite interesting. I quoted the critics because their arguments are stupid.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 19, 2019 12:48 PM (wYseH)
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I work in the field (well, provide services to those companies) and I'm extremely optimistic. From an inside view, the concerns about some of the problems by the critics are a "yes, but..." kind of thing. For example, debt - Yes, especially in 2013 - 2014, far too much debt was handed out far too optimistically to some start ups. (Same thing as happens in the tech industry every time there's some new tech breakthrough) So, some outfits go bankrupt, some bets are lost, but the survivors consolidate and get stronger. that's how financial bets go in every booming business.
Also, a technical point - they're calling it "shale oil", but the same techniques and methods apply to low porosity limestone and chalk formations. So they all get lumped in together.
Why do limestone and chalk matter? Look up some maps of what became North America during the Jurassic and Cretaceous, and you'll see much of it was covered by a vast shallow sea. That sea left hundreds of feet of limestone and chalk formations underneath much of the western US, and oil and gas can be produced from just about all of it.
btw, for the climate crazies who say warming will KILL US ALL, at the time that shallow sea was there, the Earth is estimated at having been 9 degrees warmer than today, on average - no ice anywhere on the planet. And the total life on the planet (ie,biomass) is estimated to have been at least double the amount of life that exists today. A warm world is an incredibly fertile garden.
Also, a technical point - they're calling it "shale oil", but the same techniques and methods apply to low porosity limestone and chalk formations. So they all get lumped in together.
Why do limestone and chalk matter? Look up some maps of what became North America during the Jurassic and Cretaceous, and you'll see much of it was covered by a vast shallow sea. That sea left hundreds of feet of limestone and chalk formations underneath much of the western US, and oil and gas can be produced from just about all of it.
btw, for the climate crazies who say warming will KILL US ALL, at the time that shallow sea was there, the Earth is estimated at having been 9 degrees warmer than today, on average - no ice anywhere on the planet. And the total life on the planet (ie,biomass) is estimated to have been at least double the amount of life that exists today. A warm world is an incredibly fertile garden.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 19, 2019 12:49 PM (V2Yro)
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When we can drive an electric car four hundred miles or eight hours with the air conditioner on from one charge and that charge costing no more than the equivalent today in gas the internal combustion engine will fade to job specific use.
Well that and speed of charging. It still takes way too long for realistic use unless you want to read a book while your car "refuels."
And then there's the problem of replacing that battery every 6-10 years. Plus the range decay. I mean they all lie about their charge (like gas cars lie about mileage) but your car will generally stay pretty close to its original mileage as long as you maintain it well. But an electric car gets less and less range over time no matter how well you care for it, because those batteries ain't forever.
And when you replace the batteries it costs a damned fortune, like replacing your engine every decade.
Well that and speed of charging. It still takes way too long for realistic use unless you want to read a book while your car "refuels."
And then there's the problem of replacing that battery every 6-10 years. Plus the range decay. I mean they all lie about their charge (like gas cars lie about mileage) but your car will generally stay pretty close to its original mileage as long as you maintain it well. But an electric car gets less and less range over time no matter how well you care for it, because those batteries ain't forever.
And when you replace the batteries it costs a damned fortune, like replacing your engine every decade.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 12:49 PM (39g3+)
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The only problem with electric cars is energy storage. When we can drive an electric car four hundred miles or eight hours with the air conditioner on from one charge and that charge costing no more than the equivalent today in gas the internal combustion engine will fade to job specific use.
Posted by: Braenyard
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You should have added, in the dark, on account of the lighting systems. And while I don't know, it might require more energy to heat a car during subfreezing weather than to cool it, say, 20 deg. during hot weather.
Posted by: Braenyard
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You should have added, in the dark, on account of the lighting systems. And while I don't know, it might require more energy to heat a car during subfreezing weather than to cool it, say, 20 deg. during hot weather.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 19, 2019 12:49 PM (xSo9G)
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But aren't we all going to die, either from the heat because all refrigerants have been outlawed, or from the cold because all efficient sources of energy have been outlawed?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 12:50 PM (3hr5B)
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Not a good thing to have to deal with on Sunday.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 19, 2019 12:45 PM (CDGwz)
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On the upside you shale not have to do yard work today.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 19, 2019 12:45 PM (CDGwz)
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On the upside you shale not have to do yard work today.
Posted by: Diogenes at May 19, 2019 12:51 PM (0tfLf)
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He was an man, take him for all in all.
I shale not look upon his like again.
I shale not look upon his like again.
Posted by: Almost Shakespeare at May 19, 2019 12:51 PM (o2vOl)
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I'm still trying to figure out the solar panels on an east-facing roof -- in Northern Illinois, for heaven's sake. My ignorant impression would be that a south-facing roof would be most beneficial, but is the writeoff so much that over half the day there is little to no sunlight?
None of this nonsense makes sense to me.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 19, 2019 12:47 PM (MIKMs)
Fun story here. We sold the stately Chateau Merde to some very earnest eco-nut liberals. They put solar panels ... on a NORTH-facing roof.
I laugh every time I drive by it. Of course, this is the guy who tore a garage door in half by latching it at the bottom, then hitting the button to activate the garage door opener. He's also the guy who let the lawn become overgrown, then tried to mow it with a reel mower - to save the planet, natch - before giving up six feet in.
But he's smarter than other people. He's a liberal.
None of this nonsense makes sense to me.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 19, 2019 12:47 PM (MIKMs)
Fun story here. We sold the stately Chateau Merde to some very earnest eco-nut liberals. They put solar panels ... on a NORTH-facing roof.
I laugh every time I drive by it. Of course, this is the guy who tore a garage door in half by latching it at the bottom, then hitting the button to activate the garage door opener. He's also the guy who let the lawn become overgrown, then tried to mow it with a reel mower - to save the planet, natch - before giving up six feet in.
But he's smarter than other people. He's a liberal.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 12:52 PM (if8r4)
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Also, electric car ranges are all based on an empty, or nearly empty car. Each person you add in greatly reduces the range, much more so than a car loses MPG rating. A family of four and some luggage and you're crippling the poor thing.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 12:52 PM (39g3+)
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Go thou, and fill another room in hell.
That hand shale burn in never-quenching fire,
That staggers thus my person.
That hand shale burn in never-quenching fire,
That staggers thus my person.
Posted by: Almost Richard II at May 19, 2019 12:52 PM (o2vOl)
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The only problem with electric cars is energy storage. When we can drive an electric car four hundred miles or eight hours with the air conditioner on from one charge and that charge costing no more than the equivalent today in gas the internal combustion engine will fade to job specific use.
Posted by: Braenyard
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I hate the "politics" of electric cars and the virtue signaling, but I would argue the technology is not that far away where it's no longer a "toy car".
My brother bought a Tesla, the cheapest Model 3. It got lots of eye rolls from me, I drove it around though, and that is the future. Car is crazy fast (like an exotic supercar) goes 100 miles on a charge, charge it at your house, almost zero maintenance, etc. And that's from a car company that is sort of a joke. When the real car companies sink their teeth into the market, people will prefer electric all day. My brother is a Trump-loving, environmental-loathing personality and he swears he'll never own a gas car again.
All the environmental nonsense on modern cars has made the internal combustion engine a crazy complicated Rube Goldberg contraption where electric cars are going to be far simpler.
Posted by: Braenyard
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I hate the "politics" of electric cars and the virtue signaling, but I would argue the technology is not that far away where it's no longer a "toy car".
My brother bought a Tesla, the cheapest Model 3. It got lots of eye rolls from me, I drove it around though, and that is the future. Car is crazy fast (like an exotic supercar) goes 100 miles on a charge, charge it at your house, almost zero maintenance, etc. And that's from a car company that is sort of a joke. When the real car companies sink their teeth into the market, people will prefer electric all day. My brother is a Trump-loving, environmental-loathing personality and he swears he'll never own a gas car again.
All the environmental nonsense on modern cars has made the internal combustion engine a crazy complicated Rube Goldberg contraption where electric cars are going to be far simpler.
Posted by: Blago at May 19, 2019 12:53 PM (UfkIY)
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My brother bought a Tesla, the cheapest Model 3. It got lots of eye rolls from me, I drove it around though, and that is the future. Car is crazy fast (like an exotic supercar) goes 100 miles on a charge, charge it at your house, almost zero maintenance, etc. And that's from a car company that is sort of a joke. When the real car companies sink their teeth into the market, people will prefer electric all day.
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What are his other cars?
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What are his other cars?
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 12:54 PM (EOEiY)
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I was reading one where because some construction workers didn't clean up all their litter on a pipeline build, a lawsuit was filed as if there was "pollution" from a spill and a judge green lighted that particular line of reasoning.
Posted by: Blago at May 19, 2019 12:45 PM (UfkIY)
Do they mean like this
https://tinyurl.com/y6sg32e4
from the Keystone Pipeline temper tantrum?
Posted by: Blago at May 19, 2019 12:45 PM (UfkIY)
Do they mean like this
https://tinyurl.com/y6sg32e4
from the Keystone Pipeline temper tantrum?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 12:55 PM (if8r4)
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Don't forget New York State bans any shale oil production, or new gas pipelines. This is Cuomo and his environment buddies planning on going 100 renewable by 2040. Ending fossil fuels use. Of course he will be dead by then, and who knows what the next Governor will do. He also just recently banned off shore drilling.
I remember when they were going to build a nuclear plant on Long Island. It was partly built, and I believe has been torn down. Nuclear power is dangerous, so they say.
I remember when they were going to build a nuclear plant on Long Island. It was partly built, and I believe has been torn down. Nuclear power is dangerous, so they say.
Posted by: Colin at May 19, 2019 12:55 PM (+0N+f)
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Battery technology doesn't even work well when you can predict demand (which is really impossible). And battery and solar components are not really good for children or other living things.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 12:56 PM (3hr5B)
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https://outline.com/ is a fantastic thing....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
The last few times I tried it at the WSJ it no longer worked. Still works at the Indy Star, though.
https://outline.com/ is a fantastic thing....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
The last few times I tried it at the WSJ it no longer worked. Still works at the Indy Star, though.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2019 12:56 PM (aKsyK)
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Question for the boffins.
Has the energy density of batteries really improved that much since the first electric car emerged from a garage along with the IC and steam powered cars a century ago?
Has the energy density of batteries really improved that much since the first electric car emerged from a garage along with the IC and steam powered cars a century ago?
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 19, 2019 12:56 PM (NpoKk)
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63 Also, electric car ranges are all based on an empty, or nearly empty car. Each person you add in greatly reduces the range, much more so than a car loses MPG rating. A family of four and some luggage and you're crippling the poor thing.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 12:52 PM (39g3+)
Yep. Turn on the heater, or the AC. Maybe you'll make it out of the driveway.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 12:52 PM (39g3+)
Yep. Turn on the heater, or the AC. Maybe you'll make it out of the driveway.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 12:57 PM (if8r4)
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I remember when they were going to build a nuclear plant on Long Island. It was partly built, and I believe has been torn down. Nuclear power is dangerous, so they say.
Posted by: Colin at May 19, 2019 12:55 PM (+0N+f)
But, think of the graft involved in building and then destroying that plant!
Better yet, all that graft was provided by the end users!
Posted by: Colin at May 19, 2019 12:55 PM (+0N+f)
But, think of the graft involved in building and then destroying that plant!
Better yet, all that graft was provided by the end users!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 12:57 PM (3hr5B)
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But we in it shale be remembered
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers...
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers...
Posted by: Diogenes at May 19, 2019 12:57 PM (0tfLf)
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May 19, N WI, it's snowing.
Posted by: davidt at May 19, 2019 12:57 PM (EfMCv)
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Maj Brian Shul tells you a story.
You WANT to click on this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DapAKN-RA58
Maj Brian Shul tells you a story.
You WANT to click on this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DapAKN-RA58
Posted by: Soothsayer at May 19, 2019 12:58 PM (qTQgG)
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And battery and solar components are not really good for children or other living things.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 12:56 PM (3hr5B)
This is a little known fact. Manufacture of batteries and solar panels is about as dirty an industry as you could ever hope to find.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 12:56 PM (3hr5B)
This is a little known fact. Manufacture of batteries and solar panels is about as dirty an industry as you could ever hope to find.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 12:58 PM (if8r4)
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Nuclear power is dangerous, so they say.
Posted by: Colin at May 19, 2019 12:55 PM (+0N+f)
Yup...Shorham on Long Island. And they are forcing Indian Point to close far earlier than it should, so NY will soon be paying a lot more for electricity.
Posted by: Colin at May 19, 2019 12:55 PM (+0N+f)
Yup...Shorham on Long Island. And they are forcing Indian Point to close far earlier than it should, so NY will soon be paying a lot more for electricity.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 19, 2019 12:58 PM (wYseH)
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And battery and solar components are not really good for children or other living things.
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Highly toxic and components are mined by slave labor. Sad that battery tech has not innovated very much.
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Highly toxic and components are mined by slave labor. Sad that battery tech has not innovated very much.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 19, 2019 12:59 PM (MIKMs)
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It's interesting how it's difficult to find the data on how many electric car buyers use their electric car as their only vehicle.
I did see that around 11-17% of Americans PERIOD only have one car, so I'm guessing it's somewhere around three to five.
Three to five electric car buyers, that is. Not percent.
I did see that around 11-17% of Americans PERIOD only have one car, so I'm guessing it's somewhere around three to five.
Three to five electric car buyers, that is. Not percent.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 12:59 PM (EOEiY)
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Well and our electric grid is already groaning under the burden of current demand. Even a small increase in electric car use and we're in serious trouble.
That can be addressed, but its not a priority right now and if (which I don't believe is true) electric cars are the thing of the future, it has to be done NOW.
That can be addressed, but its not a priority right now and if (which I don't believe is true) electric cars are the thing of the future, it has to be done NOW.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 01:00 PM (39g3+)
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I'm guessing it's the way it's been for years and years. Some people buy convertibles, some people buy trucks, and now some people buy electric cars as their third vehicle.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 01:00 PM (EOEiY)
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There is aone big effect of the shale revolution that isn't hardly talked about at all that affects everyone in the business negatively and which is hardly ever talked about (which surprises me) - and that is the cost of Natural Gas keeps going down and down. It's getting below the cost of production and still dropping, costs for natural gas now are essentially transportation and regulatory costs, and the product itself is virtually valueless.
I personally didn't think that could happen, and have been astounded to watch it happen anyways. The reason, ironically, is that oil prices keep going up because of international considerations. Drillers are drilling for oil production in these tight formations, and that is where they make their money. Natural gas can be found in pure gas wells, but it is also a byproduct of most oil wells, especially those that are fracced. Since these producers are covering all their costs with the oil production, the nat gas they produce is dumped on the market at any price. In fact, it is now such an extreme situation that in West Texas, the amount of nat gas being flared (being burned and dumped as a waste product) is equal to the entire residential nat gas use in Texas. It's a terrible situation for pure gas producers, as nat gas by itself is essentially worthless right now, because the over supply is so intense.
(and of course you have to build pipelines to get it from one place to another, and that's where the regulatory burden comes in)
The only answer that anyone in the industry can see is to get more and more of the gas liquefaction plants on line which would allow this surplus to be sold overseas - but that is going to take a long time.
I personally didn't think that could happen, and have been astounded to watch it happen anyways. The reason, ironically, is that oil prices keep going up because of international considerations. Drillers are drilling for oil production in these tight formations, and that is where they make their money. Natural gas can be found in pure gas wells, but it is also a byproduct of most oil wells, especially those that are fracced. Since these producers are covering all their costs with the oil production, the nat gas they produce is dumped on the market at any price. In fact, it is now such an extreme situation that in West Texas, the amount of nat gas being flared (being burned and dumped as a waste product) is equal to the entire residential nat gas use in Texas. It's a terrible situation for pure gas producers, as nat gas by itself is essentially worthless right now, because the over supply is so intense.
(and of course you have to build pipelines to get it from one place to another, and that's where the regulatory burden comes in)
The only answer that anyone in the industry can see is to get more and more of the gas liquefaction plants on line which would allow this surplus to be sold overseas - but that is going to take a long time.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 19, 2019 01:00 PM (V2Yro)
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re: electric cars. how many cars are operated in the u.s. now? how in the fuck are we going to convert to all electric transportation without upgrading power generation infrastructure? am i missing something? i guess unicorn farts and hope are really magic
Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 19, 2019 01:01 PM (KP5rU)
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All the environmental nonsense on modern cars has made the internal combustion engine a crazy complicated Rube Goldberg contraption where electric cars are going to be far simpler.
Posted by: Blago at May 19, 2019 12:53 PM (UfkIY)
We spent over a hundred years building out the gasoline supply and distribution network across the entire US and much of Canada. It's going to take just a wee bit before you're going to find a Tesla accredited charging station in Death Valley.
Posted by: Blago at May 19, 2019 12:53 PM (UfkIY)
We spent over a hundred years building out the gasoline supply and distribution network across the entire US and much of Canada. It's going to take just a wee bit before you're going to find a Tesla accredited charging station in Death Valley.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 01:01 PM (3hr5B)
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71 Question for the boffins.
Has the energy density of batteries really improved that much since the first electric car emerged from a garage along with the IC and steam powered cars a century ago?
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 19, 2019 12:56 PM (NpoKk)
My understanding is no, not really.
Has the energy density of batteries really improved that much since the first electric car emerged from a garage along with the IC and steam powered cars a century ago?
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 19, 2019 12:56 PM (NpoKk)
My understanding is no, not really.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 19, 2019 01:02 PM (V2Yro)
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https://outline.com/ is a fantastic thing....
It was. It doesn't get past the NYT or WSJ paywalls anymore.
It was. It doesn't get past the NYT or WSJ paywalls anymore.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 19, 2019 01:02 PM (fuK7c)
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Hydrogen fuel cell?
Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2019 01:03 PM (7cJE3)
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May 19, N WI, it's snowing.
Posted by: davidt at May 19, 2019 12:57 PM (EfMCv)
To be fair, you're living in WI, so...
Posted by: davidt at May 19, 2019 12:57 PM (EfMCv)
To be fair, you're living in WI, so...
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 01:03 PM (3hr5B)
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Screw HS rail...Monorail is the way to go! My dad actually fell for that and talked about monorails everywhere.
Posted by: Colin at May 19, 2019 01:04 PM (+0N+f)
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It's neat that engine technology has advanced so much in the last thirty years and MPG has stayed about the same.
1985 four cylinder Accord 22 city, 27 highway
2018 four cylinder Accord 23 city, 32 highway
Why, it's almost like all the federally mandated safety devices have increased weight or something.
1985 four cylinder Accord 22 city, 27 highway
2018 four cylinder Accord 23 city, 32 highway
Why, it's almost like all the federally mandated safety devices have increased weight or something.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 01:05 PM (EOEiY)
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In the longer run, the US has a much smaller 'proven reserve' of oil and gas than 3 or 4 middle eastern countries, plus the biggest dog of them all, Venezuela.
And yet, west Texas and their Permian Basin are kicking out over 4 million barrels a day, making them the 3rd largest producer in the world after the Saudis and Russia.
Production cost-wise, the Saudis could easily drown the frackers out as their cost to pump oil out of the ground is around 3-4 bucks a barrel. But they need higher prices as they are are already running deficits at current pricing. So no can do.
The US has 500 years worth of our energy needs in coal alone. We are not about to go dark any time soon, unless the Greenies assume control of things.
And yet, west Texas and their Permian Basin are kicking out over 4 million barrels a day, making them the 3rd largest producer in the world after the Saudis and Russia.
Production cost-wise, the Saudis could easily drown the frackers out as their cost to pump oil out of the ground is around 3-4 bucks a barrel. But they need higher prices as they are are already running deficits at current pricing. So no can do.
The US has 500 years worth of our energy needs in coal alone. We are not about to go dark any time soon, unless the Greenies assume control of things.
Posted by: GnuBreed at May 19, 2019 01:05 PM (Z4rgH)
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Has the energy density of batteries really improved that much since the first electric car emerged from a garage along with the IC and steam powered cars a century ago?
Kind of. They've gotten more efficient, but almost all of the research is in speeding up recharge time. Which has gotten a lot better, but is still seriously slow compared to 30 seconds at the gas pump.
Kind of. They've gotten more efficient, but almost all of the research is in speeding up recharge time. Which has gotten a lot better, but is still seriously slow compared to 30 seconds at the gas pump.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 01:05 PM (39g3+)
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May 19, N WI, it's snowing.
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So you're saying your electric car might get half it's normal range?
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So you're saying your electric car might get half it's normal range?
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 01:05 PM (EOEiY)
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>>>We spent over a hundred years building out the gasoline supply and distribution network across the entire US and much of Canada. It's going to take just a wee bit before you're going to find a Tesla accredited charging station in Death Valley.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 01:01 PM (3hr5B)
There's so much pipe under Texas and its' cities they don't know where it is. They just measure what goes in one end and what comes out the other.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 01:01 PM (3hr5B)
There's so much pipe under Texas and its' cities they don't know where it is. They just measure what goes in one end and what comes out the other.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2019 01:06 PM (7cJE3)
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1990 Civic CRX could get up to 50mpg highway.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 19, 2019 01:06 PM (NpoKk)
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Gov Cuomo was asked if he was going to give up his large SUV's and helicopters, of course he said no way. Whats fine for me, isn't fine for you. Socialism at its best.
Posted by: Colin at May 19, 2019 01:07 PM (+0N+f)
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https://tinyurl.com/y49n7k9y
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2019 12:39 PM (aKsyK)
David Wallace-Wells's book opens with:
"It is worse, much worse, than you think."
It's nice that this "journalist" warns us about his reporting right up front.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2019 12:39 PM (aKsyK)
David Wallace-Wells's book opens with:
"It is worse, much worse, than you think."
It's nice that this "journalist" warns us about his reporting right up front.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 01:07 PM (if8r4)
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 01:08 PM (EOEiY)
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96 1990 Civic CRX could get up to 50mpg highway.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 19, 2019 01:06 PM (NpoKk)
Itty bitty car, though.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 19, 2019 01:06 PM (NpoKk)
Itty bitty car, though.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 19, 2019 01:08 PM (NWiLs)
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A stagnating break-even price doesn't indicate a widespread means or desire to dramatically undercut that price out in the wild. I think shale oil will act as a sort of pressure valve that will somewhat stabilize oil prices near its break-even price. As long as the technology isn't lost and reserves aren't depleted, it can be stopped and restarted as many times as is required.
Posted by: DaveM at May 19, 2019 01:09 PM (WWC3Y)
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45 https://tinyurl.com/y49n7k9y
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2019 12:39 PM (aKsyK)
oy
"The uninhabitable Earth" - what total crap. It fits in with a genre of book/article that I see a lot from the climatistas, and it follows a predictable pattern. 1st, assume the Horrible Thing will happen, based on almost no actual evidence, but just on computer models built by people who have a vested interest in predicting the Horrible thing, and then 2) spend 95% of your time and effort on telling people how Horrible the Horrible Thing (that you have simply assumed will happen) is going to be.
The entire exercise is designed for a fairly simple purpose - to use fear to scare people with low critical thinking skills into doing what you want them to do. that's the entire game, right there.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2019 12:39 PM (aKsyK)
oy
"The uninhabitable Earth" - what total crap. It fits in with a genre of book/article that I see a lot from the climatistas, and it follows a predictable pattern. 1st, assume the Horrible Thing will happen, based on almost no actual evidence, but just on computer models built by people who have a vested interest in predicting the Horrible thing, and then 2) spend 95% of your time and effort on telling people how Horrible the Horrible Thing (that you have simply assumed will happen) is going to be.
The entire exercise is designed for a fairly simple purpose - to use fear to scare people with low critical thinking skills into doing what you want them to do. that's the entire game, right there.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 19, 2019 01:09 PM (V2Yro)
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Itty bitty car, though.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 19, 2019 01:08 PM (NWiLs)
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Hold my beer.
- Buick, BMW, Mercedes, Honda, Ford, etc.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 19, 2019 01:08 PM (NWiLs)
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Hold my beer.
- Buick, BMW, Mercedes, Honda, Ford, etc.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 01:09 PM (EOEiY)
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The US has 500 years worth of our energy needs in coal alone. We are not about to go dark any time soon, unless the Greenies assume control of things.
Posted by: GnuBreed at May 19, 2019 01:05 PM (Z4rgH)
Once you go dark, you never go back.
Posted by: GnuBreed at May 19, 2019 01:05 PM (Z4rgH)
Once you go dark, you never go back.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 01:09 PM (if8r4)
Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2019 01:09 PM (7cJE3)
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Shale bought us time. Now get the reactors up.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at May 19, 2019 01:09 PM (ABuva)
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 19, 2019 01:10 PM (NpoKk)
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Has the energy density of batteries really improved that much since the first electric car emerged from a garage along with the IC and steam powered cars a century ago?
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 19, 2019 12:56 PM (NpoKk)
My understanding is no, not really.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 19, 2019 01:02 PM (V2Yro)
A most excellent question, but I think Tom answered it correctly. I do believe that electric motor technology has improved greatly (neodymium magnets) which helps greatly.
But as a counter, I just filled up the Bentley with 100 octane non-ethanol for under fifty dollars, took me less than five minutes, and I 'm now good for a 400 mile range with a loaded auto, and I KNOW (with absolute certainty) that there are multiple gas stations at the other end of my trip!
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 19, 2019 12:56 PM (NpoKk)
My understanding is no, not really.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 19, 2019 01:02 PM (V2Yro)
A most excellent question, but I think Tom answered it correctly. I do believe that electric motor technology has improved greatly (neodymium magnets) which helps greatly.
But as a counter, I just filled up the Bentley with 100 octane non-ethanol for under fifty dollars, took me less than five minutes, and I 'm now good for a 400 mile range with a loaded auto, and I KNOW (with absolute certainty) that there are multiple gas stations at the other end of my trip!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 01:10 PM (3hr5B)
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The criticism is largely BS.
BC most of the critics are inherently anti-oil/gas. And so they lie.
So FUCK them, soldier on.
BC most of the critics are inherently anti-oil/gas. And so they lie.
So FUCK them, soldier on.
Posted by: HA at May 19, 2019 01:11 PM (MAstk)
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106 Itty bitty car, though.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 19, 2019 01:08 PM (NWiLs)
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Hold my beer.
- Buick, BMW, Mercedes, Honda, Ford, etc.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 01:09 PM (EOEiY)
Heh. A high school buddy had a CRX. I remember a few times where a number of us would cram ourselves in there way beyond its intended capacity.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 19, 2019 01:08 PM (NWiLs)
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Hold my beer.
- Buick, BMW, Mercedes, Honda, Ford, etc.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 01:09 PM (EOEiY)
Heh. A high school buddy had a CRX. I remember a few times where a number of us would cram ourselves in there way beyond its intended capacity.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 19, 2019 01:11 PM (NWiLs)
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"The uninhabitable Earth" - what total crap. It fits in with a genre of book/article that I see a lot from the climatistas, and it follows a predictable pattern. 1st, assume the Horrible Thing will happen, based on almost no actual evidence, but just on computer models built by people who have a vested interest in predicting the Horrible thing, and then 2) spend 95% of your time and effort on telling people how Horrible the Horrible Thing (that you have simply assumed will happen) is going to be.
The entire exercise is designed for a fairly simple purpose - to use fear to scare people with low critical thinking skills into doing what you want them to do. that's the entire game, right there.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 19, 2019 01:09 PM (V2Yro)
Did he mention it would be Horrible?
"Oh no, we're doomed! Who will save us? We need a hero to save us and protect us!"
Move over, Lifetime channel, you've got comp-e-tition. /Cosell
The entire exercise is designed for a fairly simple purpose - to use fear to scare people with low critical thinking skills into doing what you want them to do. that's the entire game, right there.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 19, 2019 01:09 PM (V2Yro)
Did he mention it would be Horrible?
"Oh no, we're doomed! Who will save us? We need a hero to save us and protect us!"
Move over, Lifetime channel, you've got comp-e-tition. /Cosell
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 01:12 PM (if8r4)
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38 It's comical that you can search for
how many solar panels does it take to produce a single solar panel
and there are no results.
Some recent publications in the energy/energy policy space have asserted that the Energy Returned on Energy Invested for solar photovoltaics is close to 1
... that is, it takes a Joule of energy to make a solar panel that produces a Joule of energy.
So an energy treadmill at best.
how many solar panels does it take to produce a single solar panel
and there are no results.
Some recent publications in the energy/energy policy space have asserted that the Energy Returned on Energy Invested for solar photovoltaics is close to 1
... that is, it takes a Joule of energy to make a solar panel that produces a Joule of energy.
So an energy treadmill at best.
Posted by: crisis du jour at May 19, 2019 01:12 PM (L8DUW)
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I saw a Buick Encore the other day that I honestly thought was an optical illusion.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 01:12 PM (EOEiY)
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1990 Civic CRX could get up to 50mpg highway.
Yeah the old CVCC got that kind of mileage too. But today you can buy a Smart Car that's even smaller and stupider looking, which pulls down... around 40
http://www.fuelly.com/car/smart/fortwo
The Prius super zowie hybrid car gets... even less.
Yeah the old CVCC got that kind of mileage too. But today you can buy a Smart Car that's even smaller and stupider looking, which pulls down... around 40
http://www.fuelly.com/car/smart/fortwo
The Prius super zowie hybrid car gets... even less.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 01:12 PM (39g3+)
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Anything that puts major financial hurt on the usual suspects (Russia! Venezuela, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and other assorted stuff-holes of terrorism) is okay by me.
Oil is a form of concentrated energy. And civilization runs on energy.
All the green nude eels and their ilk want to do is take us back to the days before civilization. Because uncivilized people are kind and gentle and more in touch with nature.
These people have been the recipients of the richest civilized society the world has ever known. They have grown more stupid the richer we get. Nature is red in tooth and claw and is brutally uncivilized in all ways. The green nude eels wouldn't last five minutes in their imaginary Garden of Eden.
Oil is a form of concentrated energy. And civilization runs on energy.
All the green nude eels and their ilk want to do is take us back to the days before civilization. Because uncivilized people are kind and gentle and more in touch with nature.
These people have been the recipients of the richest civilized society the world has ever known. They have grown more stupid the richer we get. Nature is red in tooth and claw and is brutally uncivilized in all ways. The green nude eels wouldn't last five minutes in their imaginary Garden of Eden.
Posted by: Boots at May 19, 2019 01:12 PM (e9omi)
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Some recent publications in the energy/energy policy space have asserted that the Energy Returned on Energy Invested for solar photovoltaics is close to 1
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Cradle to grave? Because if that accounts for refining the metal, transporting the supplies, etc. I'd be impressed.
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Cradle to grave? Because if that accounts for refining the metal, transporting the supplies, etc. I'd be impressed.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 01:13 PM (EOEiY)
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88 Hydrogen fuel cell?
Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2019 01:03 PM (7cJE3)
I'm all for hydrogen fuel cells, where they make sense. What's put the enviro's off on them is the realization that the only realistic feedstock for Hydrogen production is Methane (Natural Gas) - so it's just another O & G product. (water is a theoretical feedstock, but the bonds holding H2O together take far too much energy to break up)
And once you realize it's just a nat gas product, why not save a step and combust the Methane directly, rather than going to the trouble of converting it to Hydrogen first?
Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2019 01:03 PM (7cJE3)
I'm all for hydrogen fuel cells, where they make sense. What's put the enviro's off on them is the realization that the only realistic feedstock for Hydrogen production is Methane (Natural Gas) - so it's just another O & G product. (water is a theoretical feedstock, but the bonds holding H2O together take far too much energy to break up)
And once you realize it's just a nat gas product, why not save a step and combust the Methane directly, rather than going to the trouble of converting it to Hydrogen first?
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 19, 2019 01:13 PM (V2Yro)
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Shale oil shall tide us over until we mine the moons of Uranus for methane.
Now to read the above to see how many morons already made that obvious point....
Now to read the above to see how many morons already made that obvious point....
Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 19, 2019 01:14 PM (1g7ch)
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Shale bought us time. Now get the reactors up.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at May 19, 2019 01:09 PM (ABuva)
If it wasn't so tragic, it would be funny that nearly all the really advanced (and safe) nuclear power technology advances are dying on the vine!
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at May 19, 2019 01:09 PM (ABuva)
If it wasn't so tragic, it would be funny that nearly all the really advanced (and safe) nuclear power technology advances are dying on the vine!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 01:14 PM (3hr5B)
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I'm waiting for this summer when the rolling blackout hit Southern California. Should be interesting. Newman will say hey, you only need power during the day anyway, that's why they invented candles.
Posted by: Colin at May 19, 2019 01:15 PM (+0N+f)
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115 Some recent publications in the energy/energy policy space have asserted that the Energy Returned on Energy Invested for solar photovoltaics is close to 1
... that is, it takes a Joule of energy to make a solar panel that produces a Joule of energy.
So an energy treadmill at best.
Posted by: crisis du jour at May 19, 2019 01:12 PM (L8DUW)
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I've seen reports that windmills, i.e., bird grinders, never even achieve 1:1 energy efficiency, meaning that windmills never even generate the energy needed to source the materials, build the windmill, transport it and install it. Windmills are worse than treadmills, they are sinkholes!
... that is, it takes a Joule of energy to make a solar panel that produces a Joule of energy.
So an energy treadmill at best.
Posted by: crisis du jour at May 19, 2019 01:12 PM (L8DUW)
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I've seen reports that windmills, i.e., bird grinders, never even achieve 1:1 energy efficiency, meaning that windmills never even generate the energy needed to source the materials, build the windmill, transport it and install it. Windmills are worse than treadmills, they are sinkholes!
Posted by: Boots at May 19, 2019 01:15 PM (e9omi)
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Posted by: crisis du jour at May 19, 2019 01:12 PM (L8DUW)
I'm sorry that data is not available!
I'm sorry that data is not available!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 01:16 PM (3hr5B)
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We spent over a hundred years building out the gasoline supply and distribution network across the entire US and much of Canada. It's going to take just a wee bit before you're going to find a Tesla accredited charging station in Death Valley.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar
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Considering every gas station/business/home already has electric power, it's not going to be that difficult to charge electric cars.
There's no question this is where everything is going, it's just a matter of "how long"? Is it 20 years or 30 years?
I guess what I find odd is a lot of my fellow conservatives don't want electric cars to succeed. I like that it costs like $5 to "fill up" an electric car rather than the $50 Im paying now.
I also like the idea of not having to ask permission from Saudi Arabia if we want to put sanctions on Iran and beg them to pump more oil for us so our economy won't collapse. Most of the countries that produce oil, I'd love to see go under.
The US has been bullied for several generations by an OPEC cartel that hates us, more choice in energy would be a good thing.
I'm 100% against electric car subsidies, carbon credits, etc. Anything that's corporate welfare. But I want electric cars to succeed and the tech to progress.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar
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Considering every gas station/business/home already has electric power, it's not going to be that difficult to charge electric cars.
There's no question this is where everything is going, it's just a matter of "how long"? Is it 20 years or 30 years?
I guess what I find odd is a lot of my fellow conservatives don't want electric cars to succeed. I like that it costs like $5 to "fill up" an electric car rather than the $50 Im paying now.
I also like the idea of not having to ask permission from Saudi Arabia if we want to put sanctions on Iran and beg them to pump more oil for us so our economy won't collapse. Most of the countries that produce oil, I'd love to see go under.
The US has been bullied for several generations by an OPEC cartel that hates us, more choice in energy would be a good thing.
I'm 100% against electric car subsidies, carbon credits, etc. Anything that's corporate welfare. But I want electric cars to succeed and the tech to progress.
Posted by: Blago at May 19, 2019 01:16 PM (UfkIY)
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The green nude eels wouldn't last five minutes in their imaginary Garden of Eden.
Posted by: Boots
Just like the Star Trek space hippies.
The green nude eels wouldn't last five minutes in their imaginary Garden of Eden.
Posted by: Boots
Just like the Star Trek space hippies.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2019 01:17 PM (aKsyK)
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88 Hydrogen fuel cell?
Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2019 01:03 PM (7cJE3)
You know all those video clips of chicks driving off trailing the gas pump nozzle?
E.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsC5u8_ZwXo
Now imagine that the pump was dispensing hydrogen instead of gasoline.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2019 01:03 PM (7cJE3)
You know all those video clips of chicks driving off trailing the gas pump nozzle?
E.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsC5u8_ZwXo
Now imagine that the pump was dispensing hydrogen instead of gasoline.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 01:17 PM (if8r4)
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I'm driving around the country with my folks looking for retirement homes.
South Knoxville, TN is the muthaphukkin shiznit. This place is AWESOME.
South Knoxville, TN is the muthaphukkin shiznit. This place is AWESOME.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 19, 2019 01:17 PM (fRqmt)
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My brother bought a Tesla, the cheapest Model 3. It got lots of eye rolls from me, I drove it around though, and that is the future. Car is crazy fast (like an exotic supercar) goes 100 miles on a charge, charge it at your house, almost zero maintenance, etc. And that's from a car company that is sort of a joke. When the real car companies sink their teeth into the market, people will prefer electric all day.
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What are his other cars?
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I'm still very interested in the answer to this, btw.
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What are his other cars?
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I'm still very interested in the answer to this, btw.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 01:18 PM (EOEiY)
Posted by: HA at May 19, 2019 01:18 PM (MAstk)
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Electric cars are fine for people in urban areas who's trips are limited to less than 100 miles per day. For Rural people and those who travel, they just don't work under current technology.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 19, 2019 01:19 PM (V2Yro)
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Can someone answer a chess question? I don't want to wait a whole week.
Can someone answer a chess question? I don't want to wait a whole week.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 19, 2019 01:19 PM (13CQC)
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Windmills are worse than treadmills, they are sinkholes!
Posted by: Boots at May 19, 2019 01:15 PM (e9omi)
The best part about windmills, other than the bird murdering aspect, is that when there is a really good wind with LOTS of energy, you have to feather the blades because the design limits have been reached.
IIRC, I believe the North Sea windmills had to have electric heaters to avoid freezing of components!
Posted by: Boots at May 19, 2019 01:15 PM (e9omi)
The best part about windmills, other than the bird murdering aspect, is that when there is a really good wind with LOTS of energy, you have to feather the blades because the design limits have been reached.
IIRC, I believe the North Sea windmills had to have electric heaters to avoid freezing of components!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 01:19 PM (3hr5B)
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Caller into the Car Pros show wanted to buy an electric or hybrid.
Response was, buy a Prius, if the battery goes down it'll still get close to the same gas mileage. The others won't.
That sounds like a smart purchase for a hybrid but a really dumb idea overall. But green _ and delusional.
Response was, buy a Prius, if the battery goes down it'll still get close to the same gas mileage. The others won't.
That sounds like a smart purchase for a hybrid but a really dumb idea overall. But green _ and delusional.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2019 01:19 PM (7cJE3)
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133
Can someone answer a chess question? I don't want to wait a whole week.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 19, 2019 01:19 PM (13CQC)
Flip the board over, loudly accuse your opponent of cheating, and storm out of the room.
Can someone answer a chess question? I don't want to wait a whole week.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 19, 2019 01:19 PM (13CQC)
Flip the board over, loudly accuse your opponent of cheating, and storm out of the room.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 19, 2019 01:19 PM (NWiLs)
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Preezy Shit Midas put as his sooper Scincy adviser Paul Ehrilch. The mental imbecile that wrote the Population Bomb. Made a bet that all of his predictions would come through and lost every single one.
Yeah the Bamster used that guy 100% wrong Paul Ehrilch as his main science adviser. Obama was a 80IQ idiot at best. But demofascists are the party of science... and hate but mostly hate oh and intolerance.
Yeah the Bamster used that guy 100% wrong Paul Ehrilch as his main science adviser. Obama was a 80IQ idiot at best. But demofascists are the party of science... and hate but mostly hate oh and intolerance.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at May 19, 2019 01:20 PM (pw+jk)
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Now imagine that the pump was dispensing hydrogen instead of gasoline.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 01:17 PM (if8r4)
GM had a large fuel cell research center near where I live. It was closed down about 3 years ago. They even built some refueling stations. One large fire kind of did in the whole thing at a refueling station. Don't know how much research GM is doing now.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 01:17 PM (if8r4)
GM had a large fuel cell research center near where I live. It was closed down about 3 years ago. They even built some refueling stations. One large fire kind of did in the whole thing at a refueling station. Don't know how much research GM is doing now.
Posted by: Colin at May 19, 2019 01:20 PM (+0N+f)
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My understanding is no, not really."
No. And never will.
See, there's this thing - a sort of chart, if you will, that one can use to calculate the electrical charges of chemical reactions.
Elemental, one might say...
No. And never will.
See, there's this thing - a sort of chart, if you will, that one can use to calculate the electrical charges of chemical reactions.
Elemental, one might say...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 19, 2019 01:21 PM (6qErC)
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Considering every gas station/business/home already has electric power,
it's not going to be that difficult to charge electric cars.
There's no question this is where everything is going, it's just a matter of "how long"? Is it 20 years or 30 years?
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Hey the 1910s want their electric car propaganda back.
it's not going to be that difficult to charge electric cars.
There's no question this is where everything is going, it's just a matter of "how long"? Is it 20 years or 30 years?
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Hey the 1910s want their electric car propaganda back.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at May 19, 2019 01:21 PM (pw+jk)
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I've seen reports that windmills, i.e., bird grinders, never even achieve 1:1 energy efficiency, meaning that windmills never even generate the energy needed to source the materials, build the windmill, transport it and install it. Windmills are worse than treadmills, they are sinkholes! "
I wonder how many people realize that with a good oil or gas well, especially one that lasts for a few years, the producer gets 1,000 - maybe 10,000, maybe 100,000 more joules of energy out of it than it cost to get it.
I wonder how many people realize that with a good oil or gas well, especially one that lasts for a few years, the producer gets 1,000 - maybe 10,000, maybe 100,000 more joules of energy out of it than it cost to get it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 19, 2019 01:22 PM (V2Yro)
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goes 100 miles on a charge,
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Maybe I am just too old, but I do remember used car ads 'only driven by a little old lady to church on Sunday' keeping mileage low and a like-new deal. Battery tech currently (huh) needs to be used or else the battery loses power and the battery costs more than the car itself.
goes 100 miles on a charge,
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Maybe I am just too old, but I do remember used car ads 'only driven by a little old lady to church on Sunday' keeping mileage low and a like-new deal. Battery tech currently (huh) needs to be used or else the battery loses power and the battery costs more than the car itself.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 19, 2019 01:22 PM (MIKMs)
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The best part about windmills, other than the bird murdering aspect...
When the bird problem with windmills was brought up on "The Five" the other day Juan Williams stated that a new study reports that more birds are killed by cell phone towers than by windmills. I'm not sure what his point was.
The best part about windmills, other than the bird murdering aspect...
When the bird problem with windmills was brought up on "The Five" the other day Juan Williams stated that a new study reports that more birds are killed by cell phone towers than by windmills. I'm not sure what his point was.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2019 01:22 PM (aKsyK)
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What are his other cars?
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I'm still very interested in the answer to this, btw.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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His wife has a Lexus NX, but his Tesla is what he drives every day to work.
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I'm still very interested in the answer to this, btw.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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His wife has a Lexus NX, but his Tesla is what he drives every day to work.
Posted by: Blago at May 19, 2019 01:22 PM (UfkIY)
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The entire exercise is designed for a fairly simple purpose - to use fear to scare people with low critical thinking skills into doing what you want them to do
Montesquieu wrote long ago about the primary trait of different types of government.
A republic requires people's primary trait to be virtue for it to exist: a corrupt people ruin a republic by voting its self goodies at the expense of the future and electing corrupt people.
A monarchy requires people's primary trait to be honor for it to exist: honor to obey and defend the authority of the monarchy and nobility, as well as to properly care for the subjects of the king.
A tyranny requires people's primary trait to be fear for it to exist: fear of the government, fear of each other, fear of being denounced.
Which most accurately describes our current climate?
Montesquieu wrote long ago about the primary trait of different types of government.
A republic requires people's primary trait to be virtue for it to exist: a corrupt people ruin a republic by voting its self goodies at the expense of the future and electing corrupt people.
A monarchy requires people's primary trait to be honor for it to exist: honor to obey and defend the authority of the monarchy and nobility, as well as to properly care for the subjects of the king.
A tyranny requires people's primary trait to be fear for it to exist: fear of the government, fear of each other, fear of being denounced.
Which most accurately describes our current climate?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 01:22 PM (39g3+)
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Wind mills need heat in the winter to keep the lubricants working. I read that in cold weather, most of the energy produced is used to keep the windmill housing warm.
Posted by: Colin at May 19, 2019 01:23 PM (+0N+f)
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GM had a large fuel cell research center near where I live. It was closed down about 3 years ago. They even built some refueling stations. One large fire kind of did in the whole thing at a refueling station. Don't know how much research GM is doing now.
Posted by: Colin at May 19, 2019 01:20 PM (+0N+f)
They should have named it the Hindenburg Station.
(Hydrogen is very hard to contain, being the tiniest atom possible, it tends to leak out of almost any container)
GM had a large fuel cell research center near where I live. It was closed down about 3 years ago. They even built some refueling stations. One large fire kind of did in the whole thing at a refueling station. Don't know how much research GM is doing now.
Posted by: Colin at May 19, 2019 01:20 PM (+0N+f)
They should have named it the Hindenburg Station.
(Hydrogen is very hard to contain, being the tiniest atom possible, it tends to leak out of almost any container)
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 19, 2019 01:23 PM (V2Yro)
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Test
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Posted by: rickl at May 19, 2019 01:24 PM (sdi6R)
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Yay!
Posted by: rickl at May 19, 2019 01:24 PM (sdi6R)
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139 My understanding is no, not really."
No. And never will.
See, there's this thing - a sort of chart, if you will, that one can use to calculate the electrical charges of chemical reactions.
Elemental, one might say...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 19, 2019 01:21 PM (6qErC)
No shit?
No. And never will.
See, there's this thing - a sort of chart, if you will, that one can use to calculate the electrical charges of chemical reactions.
Elemental, one might say...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 19, 2019 01:21 PM (6qErC)
No shit?
Posted by: Walther Nernst at May 19, 2019 01:24 PM (if8r4)
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A tyranny requires people's primary trait to be fear for it to exist: fear of the government, fear of each other, fear of being denounced.
Which most accurately describes our current climate?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 01:22 PM (39g3+)
Why, that sounds like a Climate Emergency!!!!
Which most accurately describes our current climate?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 01:22 PM (39g3+)
Why, that sounds like a Climate Emergency!!!!
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 19, 2019 01:24 PM (V2Yro)
Posted by: Insomniac at May 19, 2019 01:24 PM (NWiLs)
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Flip the board over, loudly accuse your opponent of cheating, and storm out of the room.
Posted by: Insomniac
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Hmm, I don't see that move in Lisa Lane vs Theodore Bullockus, 59th US Open (195
, Rochester, MN USA.
Flip the board over, loudly accuse your opponent of cheating, and storm out of the room.
Posted by: Insomniac
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Hmm, I don't see that move in Lisa Lane vs Theodore Bullockus, 59th US Open (195
, Rochester, MN USA. Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 19, 2019 01:25 PM (13CQC)
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Hydrogen cars are basically just natural gas powered cars. With an expensive and complicated "middle man" step all so the exhaust from the car looks clean. The Japanese are the ones that seem obsessed with it.
I'm actually surprised natural gas powered cars never really gained popularity outside of fleet cars. Especially in the 1970s.
GM actually experimented with cars powered from coal dust during that era.
I'm actually surprised natural gas powered cars never really gained popularity outside of fleet cars. Especially in the 1970s.
GM actually experimented with cars powered from coal dust during that era.
Posted by: Blago at May 19, 2019 01:25 PM (UfkIY)
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His wife has a Lexus NX, but his Tesla is what he drives every day to work.
Posted by: Blago at May 19, 2019 01:22 PM (UfkIY)
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Thanks. There's your answer, btw. They are neat toys, but people who buy $40k+ toys (and pay $5k for the charging improvements to their garage) are smart enough to have another actual car they can use, too.
Posted by: Blago at May 19, 2019 01:22 PM (UfkIY)
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Thanks. There's your answer, btw. They are neat toys, but people who buy $40k+ toys (and pay $5k for the charging improvements to their garage) are smart enough to have another actual car they can use, too.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Media Controls the Whether Machines at May 19, 2019 01:25 PM (lPsvG)
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They should have named it the Hindenburg Station.
(Hydrogen is very hard to contain, being the tiniest atom possible, it tends to leak out of almost any container)
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 19, 2019 01:23 PM (V2Yro)
And that is if the hydrogen just burns. If it has mixed with oxygen before being ignited, you will be treated to a truly impressive explosion. Did I mention it would be impressive? Make that "extremely impressive."
(Hydrogen is very hard to contain, being the tiniest atom possible, it tends to leak out of almost any container)
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 19, 2019 01:23 PM (V2Yro)
And that is if the hydrogen just burns. If it has mixed with oxygen before being ignited, you will be treated to a truly impressive explosion. Did I mention it would be impressive? Make that "extremely impressive."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 01:26 PM (if8r4)
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When the bird problem with windmills was brought up on "The Five" the other day Juan Williams stated that a new study reports that more birds are killed by cell phone towers than by windmills. I'm not sure what his point was.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2019 01:22 PM (aKsyK)
Did genius Juan say exactly how the birds were killed by the cell phone towers?
There should be mounds of dead birds at the base of the cell towers that dot almost the entire US if this is true!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2019 01:22 PM (aKsyK)
Did genius Juan say exactly how the birds were killed by the cell phone towers?
There should be mounds of dead birds at the base of the cell towers that dot almost the entire US if this is true!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 01:26 PM (3hr5B)
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But really, you morons have gotten me interested in chess. So in "Lisa Lane vs Theodore Bullockus," can I assume that Lisa played white?
But really, you morons have gotten me interested in chess. So in "Lisa Lane vs Theodore Bullockus," can I assume that Lisa played white?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 19, 2019 01:26 PM (13CQC)
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Had a friend who dropped 50k on a new car.
I said dude, you drive it 30 min to work and it sits parked for 9 1/2 hours.
Then you drive home 30 min and it sits in your garage for 14 hours until you wake up the next morning and do it again.
He just looked at me.
I said dude, you drive it 30 min to work and it sits parked for 9 1/2 hours.
Then you drive home 30 min and it sits in your garage for 14 hours until you wake up the next morning and do it again.
He just looked at me.
Posted by: HA at May 19, 2019 01:26 PM (MAstk)
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Has anyone done the math on what the electricity needs and costs would be if you assumed that every car on the road was replaced by electric cars tomorrow? Maybe it's not a problem, bit it seems like we might need to know this before we start sucking each others dicks over our wonderful electric future.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 19, 2019 01:26 PM (H5knJ)
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Hmm, I don't see that move in Lisa Lane vs Theodore Bullockus, 59th US Open (195, Rochester, MN USA.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 19, 2019 01:25 PM (13CQC)
Bullockus? That's a joke name, like Sillius Soddus or Biggus Dickus.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 19, 2019 01:25 PM (13CQC)
Bullockus? That's a joke name, like Sillius Soddus or Biggus Dickus.
Posted by: Insomniac at May 19, 2019 01:27 PM (NWiLs)
159
See, there's this thing - a sort of chart, if you will, that one can use to calculate the electrical charges of chemical reactions.
Yeah you can supercharge that with proper environment (super cooling) but there's just an absolute limit under present technology and scientific understanding. Similarly, there is an absolute limit to how fast that energy can be stored.
Yeah you can supercharge that with proper environment (super cooling) but there's just an absolute limit under present technology and scientific understanding. Similarly, there is an absolute limit to how fast that energy can be stored.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 01:27 PM (39g3+)
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154 When the bird problem with windmills was brought up on "The Five" the other day Juan Williams stated that a new study reports that more birds are killed by cell phone towers than by windmills. I'm not sure what his point was.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2019 01:22 PM (aKsyK)
Did genius Juan say exactly how the birds were killed by the cell phone towers?
There should be mounds of dead birds at the base of the cell towers that dot almost the entire US if this is true!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 01:26 PM (3hr5B)
I'm sure Juan Williams is a nice guy, but I'm also sure he has the IQ of a turnip.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2019 01:22 PM (aKsyK)
Did genius Juan say exactly how the birds were killed by the cell phone towers?
There should be mounds of dead birds at the base of the cell towers that dot almost the entire US if this is true!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 01:26 PM (3hr5B)
I'm sure Juan Williams is a nice guy, but I'm also sure he has the IQ of a turnip.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 01:27 PM (if8r4)
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That's so refreshing compared to the" Chee-lay" and "Nee-cah-rrrrrrrr-auguah" the smartest black man in the world always tried to do.
Strangely, he never said Deutschland or Nippon.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Media Controls the Whether Machines at May 19, 2019 12:34 PM (lPsvG)
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My particular favorite was the way he would say "Hohn-doo-rrras," when H is always silent in Spanish. Even Obama-positive hispanophones snickered at that one.
That's the trouble with being simultaneously ignorant and pretentious. Your mistakes are doubly absurd.
And yeah, you make a fine point at the end there.
Does anyone, while speaking English, call Paris "Paree" or "Rome" Roma?
That's so refreshing compared to the" Chee-lay" and "Nee-cah-rrrrrrrr-auguah" the smartest black man in the world always tried to do.
Strangely, he never said Deutschland or Nippon.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Media Controls the Whether Machines at May 19, 2019 12:34 PM (lPsvG)
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My particular favorite was the way he would say "Hohn-doo-rrras," when H is always silent in Spanish. Even Obama-positive hispanophones snickered at that one.
That's the trouble with being simultaneously ignorant and pretentious. Your mistakes are doubly absurd.
And yeah, you make a fine point at the end there.
Does anyone, while speaking English, call Paris "Paree" or "Rome" Roma?
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 19, 2019 01:28 PM (Rxduq)
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Hey the 1910s want their electric car propaganda back.
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Every car will have an assistant to turn the crank -- like old telephones and cars.
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Every car will have an assistant to turn the crank -- like old telephones and cars.
Posted by: mustbequantum at May 19, 2019 01:28 PM (MIKMs)
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Lower oil prices? doubled in the last 3 years!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 19, 2019 01:28 PM (438dO)
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Bullockus? That's a joke name, like Sillius Soddus or Biggus Dickus.
Posted by: Insomniac
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I think there's a reason why those people became chess players.
Bullockus? That's a joke name, like Sillius Soddus or Biggus Dickus.
Posted by: Insomniac
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I think there's a reason why those people became chess players.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 19, 2019 01:28 PM (13CQC)
165
A. Some people just hate fossil fuels.
B. Some people REALLY hate American fossil fuels.
C. Some people actually do collude with Russians, but they don't have orange hair.
B. Some people REALLY hate American fossil fuels.
C. Some people actually do collude with Russians, but they don't have orange hair.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 19, 2019 01:28 PM (8rjXi)
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Don't misunderstand. I like cars, and I like toys.
I also understand that a 9mm carbine won't ever really function as a .308 no matter how black it is or how many scopes I attach to it.
I also understand that a 9mm carbine won't ever really function as a .308 no matter how black it is or how many scopes I attach to it.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Media Controls the Whether Machines at May 19, 2019 01:28 PM (lPsvG)
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Juan Williams stated that a new study reports that
more birds are killed by cell phone towers than by windmills.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2019 01:22 PM (aKsyK)
I would love to hear the mechanism of this slaughter. That they fly into tall things? Then cities must kill untold billions of birds.
He may be the dumbest person on earth.
more birds are killed by cell phone towers than by windmills.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2019 01:22 PM (aKsyK)
I would love to hear the mechanism of this slaughter. That they fly into tall things? Then cities must kill untold billions of birds.
He may be the dumbest person on earth.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 19, 2019 01:28 PM (wYseH)
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When GM had the research center near here, they gave demo rides to Politicians, who were enthusiastic beyond belief. The press was also all hyped up over it all. Haven't seen much since.
Posted by: Colin at May 19, 2019 01:28 PM (+0N+f)
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http://bit.ly/2WS1SNC
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Gowdy: FBI Has Papadopoulos Transcripts That Are Potential 'Game-Changer' | The Daily Caller
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Gowdy: FBI Has Papadopoulos Transcripts That Are Potential 'Game-Changer' | The Daily Caller
Posted by: Deep State is In DEEP SHIT at May 19, 2019 01:29 PM (BqBId)
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Paul Erlich has always been a fraud - all he ever did was to rediscover the writings of Thomas Malthus (1766 - 1834) and rework them for 1960's sensibilities. Paul Erlich has never had a single original thought in his life - and the Malthusians, the economic cult he worked so hard to revive, are notable for having been absolutely and completely WRONG about EVERY economic prediction they have made for well over 200 years now.
And that was what Obama wanted in his science adviser. He makes Lysenko look like an intellectual.
And that was what Obama wanted in his science adviser. He makes Lysenko look like an intellectual.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 19, 2019 01:29 PM (V2Yro)
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 19, 2019 01:30 PM (PkVlr)
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Has anyone done the math on what the electricity needs and costs would be if you assumed that every car on the road was replaced by electric cars tomorrow?
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Yes, they had a comprehensive study where they started with 30 million units and multiplied it by SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH.
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Yes, they had a comprehensive study where they started with 30 million units and multiplied it by SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH.
Posted by: HA at May 19, 2019 01:30 PM (MAstk)
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143
Wind mills need heat in the winter to keep the lubricants working. I
read that in cold weather, most of the energy produced is used to keep
the windmill housing warm.
Posted by: Colin at May 19, 2019 01:23 PM (+0N+f)
+++Well there you go, it is efficient for taking care of itself. What more do you want, usable energy output or something?
Wind mills need heat in the winter to keep the lubricants working. I
read that in cold weather, most of the energy produced is used to keep
the windmill housing warm.
Posted by: Colin at May 19, 2019 01:23 PM (+0N+f)
+++Well there you go, it is efficient for taking care of itself. What more do you want, usable energy output or something?
Posted by: washrivergal at May 19, 2019 01:30 PM (EjlXc)
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I find it hilarious not only was Obama's Volt killed, but they ended up closing the factory where it was made.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Media Controls the Whether Machines at May 19, 2019 01:30 PM (lPsvG)
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Thanks. There's your answer, btw. They are neat toys, but people who buy $40k+ toys (and pay $5k for the charging improvements to their garage) are smart enough to have another actual car they can use, too.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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Do married couples always share one car when it's a gasoline model?
My wife and I each have our own car and their both gas powered.
His Tesla is not a "weekend" car. He puts about 400 miles a week on it. Its how he gets to work every day.
I'm not going to buy a Tesla, I think the company will probably go through some sort of bankruptcy. I also think electric cars still have issues before i buy one. But some of the reasons people hate electric cars seem silly.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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Do married couples always share one car when it's a gasoline model?
My wife and I each have our own car and their both gas powered.
His Tesla is not a "weekend" car. He puts about 400 miles a week on it. Its how he gets to work every day.
I'm not going to buy a Tesla, I think the company will probably go through some sort of bankruptcy. I also think electric cars still have issues before i buy one. But some of the reasons people hate electric cars seem silly.
Posted by: Blago at May 19, 2019 01:30 PM (UfkIY)
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171 Just woke up
Have I missed anything?
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 19, 2019 01:30 PM (PkVlr)
*shifty eyes*
Uhh, no, nothing. Nothing at all.
*shifty eyes*
Have I missed anything?
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 19, 2019 01:30 PM (PkVlr)
*shifty eyes*
Uhh, no, nothing. Nothing at all.
*shifty eyes*
Posted by: Insomniac at May 19, 2019 01:30 PM (NWiLs)
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Cell Phone Towers killing birds is one of those hot topics that came up a while back. Its not really backed by a lot of study or hard facts, but a lot of claims. I'm skeptical of the reports but not rejecting them entirely. I'd just like to see more hard data and actual research rather than theorizing like "they get confused by the lights at night and accidentally hit wires" and stuff like that.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 01:31 PM (39g3+)
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slaughter. That they fly into tall things? Then cities must kill untold billions of birds.
He may be the dumbest person on earth.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 19, 2019 01:28 PM (wYseH)
They just gotta stop flying while texting.
He may be the dumbest person on earth.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 19, 2019 01:28 PM (wYseH)
They just gotta stop flying while texting.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 19, 2019 01:31 PM (Ct55T)
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159 See, there's this thing - a sort of chart, if you will, that one can use to calculate the electrical charges of chemical reactions.
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Yeah you can supercharge that with proper environment (super cooling) but there's just an absolute limit under present technology and scientific understanding. Similarly, there is an absolute limit to how fast that energy can be stored.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 01:27 PM (39g3+)
I don't understand this. Supercooling? The Nernst equation describes how electrochemical potential depends on concentration and temperature.
Present technology has nothing to do with it. It's straight-up thermodynamics. Which does not address the speed of reactions, just their propensity to occur.
So I'm confused.
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Yeah you can supercharge that with proper environment (super cooling) but there's just an absolute limit under present technology and scientific understanding. Similarly, there is an absolute limit to how fast that energy can be stored.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 01:27 PM (39g3+)
I don't understand this. Supercooling? The Nernst equation describes how electrochemical potential depends on concentration and temperature.
Present technology has nothing to do with it. It's straight-up thermodynamics. Which does not address the speed of reactions, just their propensity to occur.
So I'm confused.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 01:31 PM (if8r4)
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Gowdy: FBI Has Papadopoulos Transcripts That Are Potential 'Game-Changer'
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I hope it's not Collusion Clue. The answer is always everybody everywhere with everything.
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I hope it's not Collusion Clue. The answer is always everybody everywhere with everything.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 19, 2019 01:32 PM (+y/Ru)
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I'd just like to see more hard data and actual research rather than theorizing like "they get confused by the lights at night and accidentally hit wires" and stuff like that.
Uh ... don't almost all birds, except for owls, roost at night? Birds pretty much always operate under VFR.
Uh ... don't almost all birds, except for owls, roost at night? Birds pretty much always operate under VFR.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 01:32 PM (if8r4)
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156 Had a friend who dropped 50k on a new car.
I said dude, you drive it 30 min to work and it sits parked for 9 1/2 hours.
Then you drive home 30 min and it sits in your garage for 14 hours until you wake up the next morning and do it again.
He just looked at me.
Posted by: HA at May 19, 2019 01:26 PM (MAstk)"
And then he said "ha ha, I got a new car and you don't". And that was the end of it.
I said dude, you drive it 30 min to work and it sits parked for 9 1/2 hours.
Then you drive home 30 min and it sits in your garage for 14 hours until you wake up the next morning and do it again.
He just looked at me.
Posted by: HA at May 19, 2019 01:26 PM (MAstk)"
And then he said "ha ha, I got a new car and you don't". And that was the end of it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 19, 2019 01:32 PM (V2Yro)
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Didn't the Germans during WW2 use a charcoal burner to power their cars?
Posted by: Colin at May 19, 2019 01:33 PM (+0N+f)
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Hi Insom!
Eastern WA is covered with windmills. They are ugly and kill birds and bats and the noise they make drives people batshit crazy.
And they are an eyesore.
And they produce a negligible amount of energy.
and farmers are PAID NOT TO HAVE THEM RUN.
Eastern WA is covered with windmills. They are ugly and kill birds and bats and the noise they make drives people batshit crazy.
And they are an eyesore.
And they produce a negligible amount of energy.
and farmers are PAID NOT TO HAVE THEM RUN.
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 19, 2019 01:34 PM (PkVlr)
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Has anyone done the math on what the electricity needs and costs would be if you assumed that every car on the road was replaced by electric cars tomorrow? Maybe it's not a problem, bit it seems like we might need to know this before we start sucking each others dicks over our wonderful electric future.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls
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Micro-nuclear reactors in every small town solves the problem easily.
But, here's the catch.. Libtards wants electric cards so bad, but just the word "nuclear" makes them go batshit crazy.. it's a lovely thing to watch when you tell them nukes would solve all our environmental "problems".
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls
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Micro-nuclear reactors in every small town solves the problem easily.
But, here's the catch.. Libtards wants electric cards so bad, but just the word "nuclear" makes them go batshit crazy.. it's a lovely thing to watch when you tell them nukes would solve all our environmental "problems".
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 19, 2019 01:34 PM (438dO)
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My particular favorite was the way he would say "Hohn-doo-rrras," when H
is always silent in Spanish. Even Obama-positive hispanophones
snickered at that one.
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Hey smarty pants the "H" isn't silent in my native Austrian.
is always silent in Spanish. Even Obama-positive hispanophones
snickered at that one.
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Hey smarty pants the "H" isn't silent in my native Austrian.
Posted by: Barak Obama at May 19, 2019 01:34 PM (pw+jk)
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Gowdy: FBI Has Papadopoulos Transcripts That Are Potential 'Game-Changer' | The Daily Caller
Posted by: Deep State
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*potentially* exculpatory information on the question of *possible* collusion...has the *potential* to be a game-changer *if* it's ever made public
In other words...
Gowdy: FBI Has Papadopoulos Transcripts That Are Potential 'Game-Changer' | The Daily Caller
Posted by: Deep State
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*potentially* exculpatory information on the question of *possible* collusion...has the *potential* to be a game-changer *if* it's ever made public
In other words...
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 19, 2019 01:34 PM (13CQC)
Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at May 19, 2019 01:34 PM (SGnpG)
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Just woke up
Have I missed anything?
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 19, 2019 01:30 PM
*tap* *tap*
Is this thing on?
*tap* *tap* *tap*
Have I missed anything?
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 19, 2019 01:30 PM
*tap* *tap*
Is this thing on?
*tap* *tap* *tap*
Posted by: W. Pecker VI at May 19, 2019 01:34 PM (DMUuz)
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His Tesla is not a "weekend" car. He puts about 400 miles a week on it. Its how he gets to work every day.
If you are wealthy, an electric car for a routine commuter in a city is a fine idea. They are really expensive and you have to be pretty rich to own a car just to drive to work with every day in addition to your other car, but to have one just to go to work and back solo is a decent concept.
If you want a car to run to the Home Depot and carry plywood and tools home, probably not. If you want a car to drive to Grandma's house in Brookfield Missouri, even less wise. If you live on a farm 30 miles from town and have to haul things around, definitely not.
If you are wealthy, an electric car for a routine commuter in a city is a fine idea. They are really expensive and you have to be pretty rich to own a car just to drive to work with every day in addition to your other car, but to have one just to go to work and back solo is a decent concept.
If you want a car to run to the Home Depot and carry plywood and tools home, probably not. If you want a car to drive to Grandma's house in Brookfield Missouri, even less wise. If you live on a farm 30 miles from town and have to haul things around, definitely not.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 01:34 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 19, 2019 01:35 PM (PkVlr)
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Didn't the Germans during WW2 use a charcoal burner to power their cars?
Posted by: Colin at May 19, 2019 01:33 PM (+0N+f)
I think so...that mountain man show had Eustace Conway run his truck on wood.
It was hilarious....
Posted by: Colin at May 19, 2019 01:33 PM (+0N+f)
I think so...that mountain man show had Eustace Conway run his truck on wood.
It was hilarious....
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 19, 2019 01:35 PM (Z+IKu)
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>>I'm not going to buy a Tesla, I think the company will probably go through some sort of bankruptcy. I also think electric cars still have issues before i buy one. But some of the reasons people hate electric cars seem silly.
Electric cars are currently limited by the same thing that solar panels are limited by, battery storage. Billions are being spent, much by the Chinese, in the development of next generation technology and when batteries start taking generational leaps both electric cars will be much more popular.
Some of the arguments I hear against electric cars seem to be based on the idea that the market is fully mature instead of in it's infancy. People don't go to war with muskets any more but they sure as hell buy lots of guns.
Electric cars are currently limited by the same thing that solar panels are limited by, battery storage. Billions are being spent, much by the Chinese, in the development of next generation technology and when batteries start taking generational leaps both electric cars will be much more popular.
Some of the arguments I hear against electric cars seem to be based on the idea that the market is fully mature instead of in it's infancy. People don't go to war with muskets any more but they sure as hell buy lots of guns.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 19, 2019 01:35 PM (/tuJf)
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Trumps tweets he is, "Strongly pro-life but backs exemptions for rape, incest, and democrats, but I repeat myself."
Snopes finds the above quote is Mostly True.
Snopes finds the above quote is Mostly True.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 19, 2019 01:35 PM (1g7ch)
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And then he said "ha ha, I got a new car and you don't". And that was the end of it.
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I think he understood he has tens of thousands of devaluing dollars parked in his garage.
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I think he understood he has tens of thousands of devaluing dollars parked in his garage.
Posted by: HA at May 19, 2019 01:36 PM (MAstk)
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Just woke up
Have I missed anything?
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 19, 2019 01:30 PM (PkVlr)
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Sunday Morning ??
Have I missed anything?
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 19, 2019 01:30 PM (PkVlr)
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Sunday Morning ??
Posted by: Deep State is In DEEP SHIT at May 19, 2019 01:36 PM (BqBId)
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Mr, Pecker,
I left the directions to Diogenes' house on the roof.
THe convention started last week.
I left the directions to Diogenes' house on the roof.
THe convention started last week.
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 19, 2019 01:36 PM (PkVlr)
Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at May 19, 2019 01:36 PM (SGnpG)
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Uh ... don't almost all birds, except for owls, roost at night? Birds pretty much always operate under VFR.
I don't really get it either, they're acting like birds are moths and if they hit a wire, they die. They don't: they aren't moving fast enough and are light enough it doesn't hurt them very badly. That's why they can full speed it into your window and after being stunned a while, fly away.
I don't really get it either, they're acting like birds are moths and if they hit a wire, they die. They don't: they aren't moving fast enough and are light enough it doesn't hurt them very badly. That's why they can full speed it into your window and after being stunned a while, fly away.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 01:37 PM (39g3+)
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His Tesla is not a "weekend" car. He puts about 400 miles a week on it. Its how he gets to work every day.
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And that's exactly my point.
He does it all while owning another car for when he needs a real car.
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And that's exactly my point.
He does it all while owning another car for when he needs a real car.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 01:37 PM (EOEiY)
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My 2016 Charger Hemi with variable valve timing and multiple displacement will AVAERAGE 27 mpg over the 300 mikes from home to the Gukld Shores. Thats with the AC running, three adults, and abiut 250lbs of luggage. I routinely get 23 mpg in the city going to/from work.
Fuck electric cars. My Hemi is an absolute blast to drive and its damned near as cheap to drive as the standard PoS import Honda charges out tje ass for.
Fuck electric cars. My Hemi is an absolute blast to drive and its damned near as cheap to drive as the standard PoS import Honda charges out tje ass for.
Posted by: BifBewalski -sofa king we Todd did at May 19, 2019 01:37 PM (VcFUs)
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Ever notice fowl and owl is almost the same word?
And bowl? Er, bowel, I mean.
Towel?
Posted by: Soothsayer
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My favorite is martial and marital.
There's also united and untied.
Ever notice fowl and owl is almost the same word?
And bowl? Er, bowel, I mean.
Towel?
Posted by: Soothsayer
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My favorite is martial and marital.
There's also united and untied.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 19, 2019 01:38 PM (13CQC)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 19, 2019 01:38 PM (Z+IKu)
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Windmills were not invented as a general energy generator.
They are for milling grain (hence the name), pump water, and light up a red beacon on top of them as a high object warning to aircraft. These are the only practical function of windmills.
They are for milling grain (hence the name), pump water, and light up a red beacon on top of them as a high object warning to aircraft. These are the only practical function of windmills.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 19, 2019 01:38 PM (1g7ch)
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All of us down at the Brattleboro Women's, Gay, Lesbian, and Tri-Gender Reproductive Hearth Clinic believe this is bad for the earth. Ripping this stuff outs of the earth is meen and distucterive. These shale plant things have a life too and we be must stop this now to save these things for all children of color.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro (aka: Obamaboro), VT at May 19, 2019 01:38 PM (qM84C)
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Some of the arguments I hear against electric cars seem to be based on the idea that the market is fully mature instead of in it's infancy.
A hundred year-old infancy, mind you.
A hundred year-old infancy, mind you.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 01:39 PM (39g3+)
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Posted by: Blago at May 19, 2019 01:16 PM (UfkIY)
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I like...
I also like...
what I find odd is a lot of my fellow conservatives...
I'm 100% against....
But I want...
Not many convincing facts about electric cars that I can see in that post.
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I like...
I also like...
what I find odd is a lot of my fellow conservatives...
I'm 100% against....
But I want...
Not many convincing facts about electric cars that I can see in that post.
Posted by: dDan at May 19, 2019 01:39 PM (hwYmz)
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Didn't the Germans during WW2 use a charcoal burner to power their cars?
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Many people in the occupied countries did.
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Many people in the occupied countries did.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 19, 2019 01:39 PM (+y/Ru)
209
My 1968 Cadillac convertible with a 472 cubic inch V8 gets almost 18 MPG and I step on it all the time.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at May 19, 2019 01:39 PM (pw+jk)
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And again, I like electric cars. I like assisted tech. I like toys, cars, and tech in general.
I don't like the fallacy that everyone wants, needs, or could use one if only the were$35,000 $39,000.
I don't like the fallacy that everyone wants, needs, or could use one if only the were
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 01:40 PM (EOEiY)
211
Who gets sentenced TWO WEEKS in prison for a FEDERAL crime??
What kind of horseshit is that?"
Someone who was framed for a much more serious crime, except that the frame fell apart, so they were desperate to get something to avoid having to admit to the frame, so they ginned up something so light that they could get him to agree to plead guilty just to stop the bullshit attacks from coming.
What kind of horseshit is that?"
Someone who was framed for a much more serious crime, except that the frame fell apart, so they were desperate to get something to avoid having to admit to the frame, so they ginned up something so light that they could get him to agree to plead guilty just to stop the bullshit attacks from coming.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 19, 2019 01:40 PM (V2Yro)
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A hundred year-old infancy, mind you.
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Another $50 trillion and we'll have this war on poverty licked.
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Another $50 trillion and we'll have this war on poverty licked.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 01:40 PM (EOEiY)
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Who gets sentenced TWO WEEKS in prison for a FEDERAL crime??
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Connected leftist. Every single time.
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Connected leftist. Every single time.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at May 19, 2019 01:41 PM (pw+jk)
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Okay well, I'll just go with "L Lane vs B Dickus" Lisa is white. And if I go through life thinking that she walked into a common trap at move #34 when the opposite is true, I will hold you all responsible.
Okay well, I'll just go with "L Lane vs B Dickus" Lisa is white. And if I go through life thinking that she walked into a common trap at move #34 when the opposite is true, I will hold you all responsible.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 19, 2019 01:41 PM (13CQC)
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>>A hundred year-old infancy, mind you.
Prior to a few years ago they were not developed as a replacement for the internal combustion engine and the amount of money poured into traditional compared to electric vehicles isn't even in the same universe. Electric vehicles were developed for unique, niche markets.
It's all about battery development.
Prior to a few years ago they were not developed as a replacement for the internal combustion engine and the amount of money poured into traditional compared to electric vehicles isn't even in the same universe. Electric vehicles were developed for unique, niche markets.
It's all about battery development.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 19, 2019 01:42 PM (/tuJf)
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If I could buy a shiny new Tesla (or knock-off) for about $18k, it could happen.
Posted by: klaftern at May 19, 2019 01:43 PM (RuIsu)
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209 My 1968 Cadillac convertible with a 472 cubic inch V8 gets almost 18 MPG and I step on it all the time.
Posted by: Jukin
and that is why electric cars will go the way of dinosaurs unless each of us have a mini-nuke in our garage to power them back up.
Posted by: Jukin
and that is why electric cars will go the way of dinosaurs unless each of us have a mini-nuke in our garage to power them back up.
Posted by: BifBewalski -sofa king we Todd did at May 19, 2019 01:43 PM (VcFUs)
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Who gets sentenced TWO WEEKS in prison for a FEDERAL crime??
What kind of horseshit is that?
Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at May 19, 2019 01:36 PM (SGnpG)
+++About the same time you might spend in bed recuperating from a bad cold or flu.
Who gets sentenced TWO WEEKS in prison for a FEDERAL crime??
What kind of horseshit is that?
Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at May 19, 2019 01:36 PM (SGnpG)
+++About the same time you might spend in bed recuperating from a bad cold or flu.
Posted by: washrivergal at May 19, 2019 01:43 PM (EjlXc)
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My 1968 Cadillac convertible with a 472 cubic inch V8 gets almost 18 MPG and I step on it all the time.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at May 19, 2019 01:39 PM (pw+jk)
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Oh man those were the days!
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at May 19, 2019 01:39 PM (pw+jk)
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Oh man those were the days!
Posted by: Boots at May 19, 2019 01:43 PM (e9omi)
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nice topic ... I had guessed a year or two back that shale profitability was around $42 .. but that chart shows it is a little lower as of 2018.
It does make sense that tech and the marginal unit thingy will improve profitability, but that might be offset to some degree by sources becoming harder to reach (assuming they tap they best reserves first).
And we haven't even started to TRY to tap the Atlantic or Pacific coasts, cuz ? ... global warming and acid rain ... or some such, I guess. AND we can still burn a lot of coal for power, which is also knee-capped by anti-American leftists (who don't mind China belching our raw soot so their slaves can produce cheap chit for US to buy on credit cards).
viva la revolucion ... cheap power is good for the masses.
It does make sense that tech and the marginal unit thingy will improve profitability, but that might be offset to some degree by sources becoming harder to reach (assuming they tap they best reserves first).
And we haven't even started to TRY to tap the Atlantic or Pacific coasts, cuz ? ... global warming and acid rain ... or some such, I guess. AND we can still burn a lot of coal for power, which is also knee-capped by anti-American leftists (who don't mind China belching our raw soot so their slaves can produce cheap chit for US to buy on credit cards).
viva la revolucion ... cheap power is good for the masses.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 19, 2019 01:43 PM (Cus5s)
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Has anyone done the math on what the electricity needs and costs would be if you assumed that every car on the road was replaced by electric cars tomorrow?
Well...let's do a little math.
270 million vehicles in the US.
Teslas require a 100A, 240V connection for a dual charger.
That's 24kw PER STATION.
So, let's say you only want to have charging stations for 30% of vehicles.
That's 1,944 gigawatts.
The current baseload generating capacity of the U.S. is....wait for it....around 1,000 gigawatts.
Well...let's do a little math.
270 million vehicles in the US.
Teslas require a 100A, 240V connection for a dual charger.
That's 24kw PER STATION.
So, let's say you only want to have charging stations for 30% of vehicles.
That's 1,944 gigawatts.
The current baseload generating capacity of the U.S. is....wait for it....around 1,000 gigawatts.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 19, 2019 01:43 PM (8rjXi)
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While we're here, a big problem electric cars have is that $40K cars compete with some really, really nice $40K cars that you can also drive to Grandma's for Christmas.
Or a $20K pretty nice Corolla (and $20K for gas) that can also be driven to Grandma's.
Or a $20K pretty nice Corolla (and $20K for gas) that can also be driven to Grandma's.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 01:44 PM (EOEiY)
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Did I mention that Tesla charging station only work with Teslas?
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 19, 2019 01:44 PM (8rjXi)
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116 Cradle to grave? Because if that accounts for refining the metal, transporting the supplies, etc. I'd be impressed.
There's always the problem of where to draw the boundary around 'energy inputs'. For example: do you include the food energy needed for the workers to produce the solar panels? The 'no' case: that food energy fuels people, not manufacturing. The 'yes' case: those solar panels don't get built without it. (I'm in the 'yes' camp in this example.) I honestly don't remember where those authors came down on the transportation issue. I do remember that they were excoriated by several 'rebuttal' articles for casting aspersions on the wonderfulness of solar panels by postulating an EROEI ~1 for them.
There's always the problem of where to draw the boundary around 'energy inputs'. For example: do you include the food energy needed for the workers to produce the solar panels? The 'no' case: that food energy fuels people, not manufacturing. The 'yes' case: those solar panels don't get built without it. (I'm in the 'yes' camp in this example.) I honestly don't remember where those authors came down on the transportation issue. I do remember that they were excoriated by several 'rebuttal' articles for casting aspersions on the wonderfulness of solar panels by postulating an EROEI ~1 for them.
Posted by: crisis du jour at May 19, 2019 01:44 PM (L8DUW)
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Did I mention that Tesla charging station only work with Teslas?
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 19, 2019 01:44 PM (8rjXi)
+++Oh, wow.
Did I mention that Tesla charging station only work with Teslas?
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 19, 2019 01:44 PM (8rjXi)
+++Oh, wow.
Posted by: washrivergal at May 19, 2019 01:46 PM (EjlXc)
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Prior to a few years ago they were not developed as a replacement for the internal combustion engine and the amount of money poured into traditional compared to electric vehicles isn't even in the same universe.
Sure, there's a greater effort and more money being spent now but its not like battery research and efficiency has not increased over the interim. People were working on making better batteries and more readily rechargable ones long before this sudden push for electric cars.
Sure, there's a greater effort and more money being spent now but its not like battery research and efficiency has not increased over the interim. People were working on making better batteries and more readily rechargable ones long before this sudden push for electric cars.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 01:46 PM (39g3+)
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https://tinyurl.com/y49n7k9y
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2019 12:39 PM (aKsyK)
That guy's cri de coeur is a priceless example of the liberal genre. I think he was having his period when he wrote this POS.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2019 12:39 PM (aKsyK)
That guy's cri de coeur is a priceless example of the liberal genre. I think he was having his period when he wrote this POS.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 01:46 PM (if8r4)
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(221) Add in all of the Cu/Al conductors to distribute said juice. Slide rule time...
Posted by: klaftern at May 19, 2019 01:46 PM (RuIsu)
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201 My 2016 Charger Hemi with variable valve timing and multiple displacement will AVAERAGE 27 mpg over the 300 mikes from home to the Gukld Shores. Thats with the AC running, three adults, and abiut 250lbs of luggage. I routinely get 23 mpg in the city going to/from work.
Fuck electric cars. My Hemi is an absolute blast to drive and its damned near as cheap to drive as the standard PoS import Honda charges out tje ass for.
Posted by: BifBewalski -sofa king we Todd did at May 19, 2019 01:37 PM (VcFUs)
You have to admit that Charger would be a good name for an electric car, though.
Fuck electric cars. My Hemi is an absolute blast to drive and its damned near as cheap to drive as the standard PoS import Honda charges out tje ass for.
Posted by: BifBewalski -sofa king we Todd did at May 19, 2019 01:37 PM (VcFUs)
You have to admit that Charger would be a good name for an electric car, though.
Posted by: rickl at May 19, 2019 01:47 PM (sdi6R)
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I do remember that they were excoriated by several 'rebuttal' articles for casting aspersions on the wonderfulness of solar panels by postulating an EROEI ~1 for them.
Solar panels are fine for augmenting generation capacity. Where there is sun. If you are a commie in Vermont or the Seattle soviet, shut up.
Solar panels are fine for augmenting generation capacity. Where there is sun. If you are a commie in Vermont or the Seattle soviet, shut up.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 19, 2019 01:47 PM (8rjXi)
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How many businesses start up without any debt? I would think not many.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 19, 2019 01:48 PM (ycWCI)
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There's always the problem of where to draw the boundary around 'energy inputs'.
Yeah if you're going to compare energy efficiency between electric and gas you have to be fair and use the same metric for both sides. If you include the construction costs and time for the whole car, you have to do it for both.
Yeah if you're going to compare energy efficiency between electric and gas you have to be fair and use the same metric for both sides. If you include the construction costs and time for the whole car, you have to do it for both.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 01:48 PM (39g3+)
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If I could buy a shiny new Tesla (or knock-off) for about $18k, it could happen.
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That's the other thing. Go to craigslist and search for used Nissan Leafs. $40K cars with 25K-50K miles are all over the place for $10-15K.
https://bit.ly/30yszca
It's almost like people aren't willing to trade the inconvenience of having an interesting but marginally useful toy for the expense of replacing the batteries.
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That's the other thing. Go to craigslist and search for used Nissan Leafs. $40K cars with 25K-50K miles are all over the place for $10-15K.
https://bit.ly/30yszca
It's almost like people aren't willing to trade the inconvenience of having an interesting but marginally useful toy for the expense of replacing the batteries.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 01:48 PM (EOEiY)
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Posted by: Deep State is In DEEP SHIT at May 19, 2019 01:29 PM (BqBId)
Transcripts from when he went to the FBI and complained that, weird as it may seem, people wer
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Gowdy: FBI Has Papadopoulos Transcripts That Are Potential 'Game-Changer' | The Daily Caller
Posted by: Deep State is In DEEP SHIT at May 19, 2019 01:29 PM (BqBId)
Transcripts from when he went to the FBI and complained that, weird as it may seem, people wer
Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 19, 2019 01:49 PM (1g7ch)
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That's a five year old model, btw.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 01:49 PM (EOEiY)
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Colorado's rich in gas and oil (not shale) and a majority (read: Denver metro) of voters in the state want it closed down.
Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 19, 2019 01:49 PM (5+4v7)
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Transcripts from when he went to the FBI and complained that, weird as it may seem, people were spying on him?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 19, 2019 01:49 PM (1g7ch)
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174 I find it hilarious not only was Obama's Volt killed, but they ended up closing the factory where it was made.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Media Controls the Whether Machines at May 19, 2019 01:30 PM (lPsvG)
There's a fancy literary term for that.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Media Controls the Whether Machines at May 19, 2019 01:30 PM (lPsvG)
There's a fancy literary term for that.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2019 01:51 PM (7cJE3)
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Sure, there's a greater effort and more money being
spent now but its not like battery research and efficiency has not
increased over the interim. People were working on making better
batteries and more readily rechargable ones long before this sudden push
for electric cars.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 01:46 PM (39g3+)
++++I don't even trust batteries now. Twice I've had a car battery die dead while still under warranty. That's fine and dandy that I didn't have to buy a new one. However, the inconvenience that ensued was time-consuming and annoying, and once put other people in a jam because I was unable to be present as scheduled.
spent now but its not like battery research and efficiency has not
increased over the interim. People were working on making better
batteries and more readily rechargable ones long before this sudden push
for electric cars.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 01:46 PM (39g3+)
++++I don't even trust batteries now. Twice I've had a car battery die dead while still under warranty. That's fine and dandy that I didn't have to buy a new one. However, the inconvenience that ensued was time-consuming and annoying, and once put other people in a jam because I was unable to be present as scheduled.
Posted by: washrivergal at May 19, 2019 01:51 PM (EjlXc)
Posted by: Tami at May 19, 2019 01:51 PM (cF8AT)
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Yeah remember, when you buy an electric car, the 10k expense of the batteries looms on the near horizon. Have you ever seen a used electric car for sale? Anywhere?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 01:51 PM (39g3+)
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There's always the problem of where to draw the boundary around 'energy inputs'. For example: do you include the food energy needed for the workers to produce the solar panels? The 'no' case: that food energy fuels people, not manufacturing. The 'yes' case: those solar panels don't get built without it. (I'm in the 'yes' camp in this example.)
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I'm fine with either, but it has to be the same for both items being compared.
I'm just sort of wondering how many months, and using how many acres of the same solar panels, it would take to run one solar panel factory for one eight hour shift.
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I'm fine with either, but it has to be the same for both items being compared.
I'm just sort of wondering how many months, and using how many acres of the same solar panels, it would take to run one solar panel factory for one eight hour shift.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 01:52 PM (EOEiY)
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236 Colorado's rich in gas and oil (not shale) and a majority (read: Denver metro) of voters in the state want it closed down.
Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 19, 2019 01:49 PM (5+4v7)
I consider CO and NY a reserve.
If we do start running low we will raid them.
Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 19, 2019 01:49 PM (5+4v7)
I consider CO and NY a reserve.
If we do start running low we will raid them.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2019 01:53 PM (7cJE3)
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>>Sure, there's a greater effort and more money being spent now but its not like battery research and efficiency has not increased over the interim. People were working on making better batteries and more readily rechargable ones long before this sudden push for electric cars.
As I said above, solar energy is gated by the same problem as electric vehicles and there is an arms race type effort being put on battery technology right now that dwarfs previous investments.
So much of what we do in modern life like laptops, tablets, cell phones, etc., is battery dependent and the demand for more power, longer life and smaller footprint is increasing in leaps and bounds.
Over 30% of homes in Australia get at least some of their energy from solar and the number is growing rapidly. China is by far the biggest overall user of solar and the developing world is using it in increasing amounts. Hell, Saudi Arabia is building the biggest solar farm in the world to power their new city of the future.
When the economics of electric vehicles increases so will the popularity. It's not magic, just math.
As I said above, solar energy is gated by the same problem as electric vehicles and there is an arms race type effort being put on battery technology right now that dwarfs previous investments.
So much of what we do in modern life like laptops, tablets, cell phones, etc., is battery dependent and the demand for more power, longer life and smaller footprint is increasing in leaps and bounds.
Over 30% of homes in Australia get at least some of their energy from solar and the number is growing rapidly. China is by far the biggest overall user of solar and the developing world is using it in increasing amounts. Hell, Saudi Arabia is building the biggest solar farm in the world to power their new city of the future.
When the economics of electric vehicles increases so will the popularity. It's not magic, just math.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 19, 2019 01:53 PM (/tuJf)
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And that's exactly my point.
He does it all while owning another car for when he needs a real car.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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I'm not seeing your point at all.
I guess if you buy an electric car, your wife is supposed to get rid of hers to prove its actually functional?
Look, if you drive hundreds of miles a day, electric cars aren't going to work for you. No argument there.
But most people drive something like under 30 miles a day. They can make an electric car work for them.
I don't own a pickup any longer, I borrow one when I need it. That doesn't mean my gas-powered sedan I commute in is not really functional for basic transportation if it fits my needs 99% of the time.
He does it all while owning another car for when he needs a real car.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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I'm not seeing your point at all.
I guess if you buy an electric car, your wife is supposed to get rid of hers to prove its actually functional?
Look, if you drive hundreds of miles a day, electric cars aren't going to work for you. No argument there.
But most people drive something like under 30 miles a day. They can make an electric car work for them.
I don't own a pickup any longer, I borrow one when I need it. That doesn't mean my gas-powered sedan I commute in is not really functional for basic transportation if it fits my needs 99% of the time.
Posted by: Blago at May 19, 2019 01:53 PM (UfkIY)
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228 (221) Add in all of the Cu/Al conductors to distribute said juice. Slide rule time...
Posted by: klaftern at May 19, 2019 01:46 PM (RuIsu)
Wait, you mean I can't use my smartphone charger to charge my Tesla?
Posted by: klaftern at May 19, 2019 01:46 PM (RuIsu)
Wait, you mean I can't use my smartphone charger to charge my Tesla?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 01:53 PM (3hr5B)
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I don't even trust batteries now. Twice I've had a car battery die dead while still under warranty.
My mom's car battery died, I think it was just 2 years old. Its not like she left the lights on all the time or anything, hell she only drove the thing once a week.
I find it hilarious not only was Obama's Volt killed, but they ended up closing the factory where it was made.
The volt was a crappy electric car, the same year it came out Nissan put out the Leaf and it was way better. GM just isn't a good car company.
My mom's car battery died, I think it was just 2 years old. Its not like she left the lights on all the time or anything, hell she only drove the thing once a week.
I find it hilarious not only was Obama's Volt killed, but they ended up closing the factory where it was made.
The volt was a crappy electric car, the same year it came out Nissan put out the Leaf and it was way better. GM just isn't a good car company.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 01:54 PM (39g3+)
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I'd like a cheap battery for a golf cart to put around in, without noise and little engine maintenance. The lithium batteries are still rather costly ... but nice for drills and hedge trimmers, even 10' pole saws.
Solar still seems cool in concept, in that I can "make my own power" at home, not have to get it delivered and explode it in some device. But unless they come up with cheaper batteries, it is still too expensive.
Serious Work (plowing, shipping, construction) will utilize oil/gas for a long time ... drill baby drill.
Solar still seems cool in concept, in that I can "make my own power" at home, not have to get it delivered and explode it in some device. But unless they come up with cheaper batteries, it is still too expensive.
Serious Work (plowing, shipping, construction) will utilize oil/gas for a long time ... drill baby drill.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 19, 2019 01:54 PM (Cus5s)
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That guy's cri de coeur is a priceless example of the liberal genre. I think he was having his period when he wrote this POS.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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Please, let me live long enough to see these people face their blasted dreams of doom. The kids occupying Dianne Feinstein's office, AOC and her idiot minions, the censors of sense, the elites of big tech and big Hollywood.
"Hey everyone, it's January 1 2030 and we're all here and everything's fine and the internal combustion engines are still humming! Where's that Doom you wanted to spend 100 trillion dollars on?"
That guy's cri de coeur is a priceless example of the liberal genre. I think he was having his period when he wrote this POS.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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Please, let me live long enough to see these people face their blasted dreams of doom. The kids occupying Dianne Feinstein's office, AOC and her idiot minions, the censors of sense, the elites of big tech and big Hollywood.
"Hey everyone, it's January 1 2030 and we're all here and everything's fine and the internal combustion engines are still humming! Where's that Doom you wanted to spend 100 trillion dollars on?"
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 19, 2019 01:54 PM (13CQC)
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Trey Gowdy is all hat with no cattle.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 19, 2019 01:38 PM (Z+IKu)
Fuck that guy in particular.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 19, 2019 01:38 PM (Z+IKu)
Fuck that guy in particular.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 19, 2019 01:54 PM (AwVzI)
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Colorado's rich in gas and oil (not shale) and a majority (read: Denver metro) of voters in the state want it closed down.
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Party like it's 1599!
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Party like it's 1599!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 19, 2019 01:55 PM (+y/Ru)
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Wait, you mean I can't use my smartphone charger to charge my Tesla?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 01:53 PM (3hr5B)
If yo have an Iphone, you cannot always use it to charge your smartphone.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 01:53 PM (3hr5B)
If yo have an Iphone, you cannot always use it to charge your smartphone.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 19, 2019 01:55 PM (ycWCI)
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Uh ... don't almost all birds, except for owls, roost at night? Birds pretty much always operate under VFR.
I don't really get it either, they're acting like birds are moths and if they hit a wire, they die. They don't: they aren't moving fast enough and are light enough it doesn't hurt them very badly. That's why they can full speed it into your window and after being stunned a while, fly away.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 01:37 PM (39g3+)
Imagine how many birds are killed colliding with trees. Those things are everywhere.
- AOC
I don't really get it either, they're acting like birds are moths and if they hit a wire, they die. They don't: they aren't moving fast enough and are light enough it doesn't hurt them very badly. That's why they can full speed it into your window and after being stunned a while, fly away.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 01:37 PM (39g3+)
Imagine how many birds are killed colliding with trees. Those things are everywhere.
- AOC
Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 19, 2019 01:55 PM (1g7ch)
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221 That's 24kw PER STATION
Oh, and it gets better!
I can't find the info on Tesla's website currently, but ~3yrs ago one of my students dug into their numbers and figured out that the majority of the electricity with which Tesla powers its charging stations was at that point generated by ...
...
...
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coal.
Bwahahaha!
Oh, and it gets better!
I can't find the info on Tesla's website currently, but ~3yrs ago one of my students dug into their numbers and figured out that the majority of the electricity with which Tesla powers its charging stations was at that point generated by ...
...
...
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coal.
Bwahahaha!
Posted by: crisis du jour at May 19, 2019 01:56 PM (L8DUW)
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#BREAKING: More reports the US Embassy in Baghdad is under mortar attack as we speak
Posted by: Tami at May 19, 2019 01:51 PM (cF8AT)
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Where are you seeing this?
Mortars landing in or near the IZ?
Posted by: Tami at May 19, 2019 01:51 PM (cF8AT)
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Where are you seeing this?
Mortars landing in or near the IZ?
Posted by: SMH at May 19, 2019 01:56 PM (RU4sa)
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I'm so sick of crappy weather. Next weekend is Memorial Day and it's not going to get over 60 for the week.
Posted by: Infidel at May 19, 2019 01:56 PM (kRPTw)
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GM just isn't a good car company.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 01:54 PM (39g3+)
I think they do fine with mature technology. They just don't have much innovation in them.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 01:54 PM (39g3+)
I think they do fine with mature technology. They just don't have much innovation in them.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 19, 2019 01:57 PM (wYseH)
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I'm just sort of wondering how many months, and using how many acres of the same solar panels, it would take to run one solar panel factory for one eight hour shift.
Would have to be a pretty vast solar farm to run a whole factory. But its doable, in the right area. Nevada, for example. Most of the state is wasteland, you may as well put up solar farms. Of course you need a ton of water to make solar panels so that's gonna be a challenge.
Would have to be a pretty vast solar farm to run a whole factory. But its doable, in the right area. Nevada, for example. Most of the state is wasteland, you may as well put up solar farms. Of course you need a ton of water to make solar panels so that's gonna be a challenge.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 01:57 PM (39g3+)
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Not many convincing facts about electric cars that I can see in that post.
Posted by: dDan
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It's an opinion blog, what did you expect?
Posted by: dDan
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It's an opinion blog, what did you expect?
Posted by: Blago at May 19, 2019 01:58 PM (UfkIY)
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Where are you seeing this?
Mortars landing in or near the IZ?
Posted by: SMH at May 19, 2019 01:56 PM (RU4sa)
Twitter:
#BREAKING: warning sirens in the vicinity of the #US. Embassy in the Green Zone, #Baghdad
Breaking: a rocket was launched 10 minutes ago possibly toward the U.S embassy in Baghdad. Launch location the Amana bridge in Baghdad
#BREAKING: Blast heard in central #Baghdad, close to government buildings and foreign embassies. #Iraq #US
Mortars landing in or near the IZ?
Posted by: SMH at May 19, 2019 01:56 PM (RU4sa)
Twitter:
#BREAKING: warning sirens in the vicinity of the #US. Embassy in the Green Zone, #Baghdad
Breaking: a rocket was launched 10 minutes ago possibly toward the U.S embassy in Baghdad. Launch location the Amana bridge in Baghdad
#BREAKING: Blast heard in central #Baghdad, close to government buildings and foreign embassies. #Iraq #US
Posted by: Tami at May 19, 2019 01:58 PM (cF8AT)
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I'm not seeing your point at all.
I guess if you buy an electric car, your wife is supposed to get rid of hers to prove its actually functional? ...
But most people drive something like under 30 miles a day. They can make an electric car work for them.
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Absolutely, but they don't. That's the point. If they did then more buyers would only have one electric vehicle as their only vehicle, because I'm certain there are millions upon millions of $40K-$110K Audi, BMW, etc. drivers living in urban areas, driving fewer than 100 miles most days, who only have one car.
I'm not saying anyone has to get rid of anything. God bless America, spend your money on whatever you want. It's just a fact that they are second and third (and fourth, and fifth) vehicles that are status symbols or fast toys for affluent buyers.
I guess if you buy an electric car, your wife is supposed to get rid of hers to prove its actually functional? ...
But most people drive something like under 30 miles a day. They can make an electric car work for them.
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Absolutely, but they don't. That's the point. If they did then more buyers would only have one electric vehicle as their only vehicle, because I'm certain there are millions upon millions of $40K-$110K Audi, BMW, etc. drivers living in urban areas, driving fewer than 100 miles most days, who only have one car.
I'm not saying anyone has to get rid of anything. God bless America, spend your money on whatever you want. It's just a fact that they are second and third (and fourth, and fifth) vehicles that are status symbols or fast toys for affluent buyers.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 01:59 PM (EOEiY)
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#BREAKING: More reports the US Embassy in Baghdad is under mortar attack as we speak
George Bush's legacy.
#BREAKING: More reports the US Embassy in Baghdad is under mortar attack as we speak
George Bush's legacy.
Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at May 19, 2019 01:59 PM (SGnpG)
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But most people drive something like under 30 miles a day.
Is this a fact?
How many people drive more than thirty miles a day?
Is this a fact?
How many people drive more than thirty miles a day?
Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2019 01:59 PM (7cJE3)
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But unless they come up with cheaper batteries, it is still too expensive.
Well, and your gas tank doesn't need to be replaced once every 6-10 years at a huge expense either. That's a serious hill to get over, no matter how good batteries get. Longer lasting is super important as well. You can get a car from the TWENTIES that has its original running engine.
Well, and your gas tank doesn't need to be replaced once every 6-10 years at a huge expense either. That's a serious hill to get over, no matter how good batteries get. Longer lasting is super important as well. You can get a car from the TWENTIES that has its original running engine.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 02:00 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: SMH at May 19, 2019 02:00 PM (RU4sa)
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I wish I drove under 30 miles a day. I drive about 70 a day, in traffic, which is over 2 hours a day.
I wish I drove under 30 miles a day. I drive about 70 a day, in traffic, which is over 2 hours a day.
Posted by: Soothsayer, A Journailst and a Climate Expert at May 19, 2019 02:01 PM (SGnpG)
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But most people drive something like under 30 miles a day.
I wonder how true that is. 30 miles just to get to work is not shocking in LA and a ton of people live there.
I wonder how true that is. 30 miles just to get to work is not shocking in LA and a ton of people live there.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 02:01 PM (39g3+)
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My mom's car battery died, I think it was just 2 years old. Its not like she left the lights on all the time or anything, hell she only drove the thing once a week.
If she only drives once a week she should consider picking up a small solar panel, putting it in the windshield of the car, and connecting it to the OBD port in the passenger compartment to trickle-charge the battery. Keeping a battery charged greatly increases its lifetime; the charge/discharge cycles are what promote the sulfating of lead acid batteries, and the growth of "whiskers" (crystals) that short out cells.
If she only drives once a week she should consider picking up a small solar panel, putting it in the windshield of the car, and connecting it to the OBD port in the passenger compartment to trickle-charge the battery. Keeping a battery charged greatly increases its lifetime; the charge/discharge cycles are what promote the sulfating of lead acid batteries, and the growth of "whiskers" (crystals) that short out cells.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 02:01 PM (YqDXo)
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263>> 42 miles to work. Each way.....
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 19, 2019 02:02 PM (AwVzI)
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Imagine how many birds are killed colliding with trees. Those things are everywhere.
- AOC
Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 19, 2019 01:55 PM (1g7ch)
I'm always concerned about the number of dead birds that pile up under all those high voltage transmission lines carrying hundreds of kilovolts of electricity!
- AOC
Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 19, 2019 01:55 PM (1g7ch)
I'm always concerned about the number of dead birds that pile up under all those high voltage transmission lines carrying hundreds of kilovolts of electricity!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 02:02 PM (3hr5B)
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I remember reading one of Shell's supplements in Readers Digest in late 70s where they said we had more shale oil out West than Saudi Arabia has in the ground.
The only problem being that it was harder to extract. The process they described was fracking but it wasn't called that then.
They said cost was the barrier and oil would have to be about $85/bbl to make it worthwhile.
This was 40 years ago. I have listened to oil experts tell me in the 90s that we had hit peak oil.
Experts.
The only problem being that it was harder to extract. The process they described was fracking but it wasn't called that then.
They said cost was the barrier and oil would have to be about $85/bbl to make it worthwhile.
This was 40 years ago. I have listened to oil experts tell me in the 90s that we had hit peak oil.
Experts.
Posted by: blaster at May 19, 2019 02:03 PM (JMkM+)
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265 Thanks Tami.
The Amana bridge brings back memories, heh.
Posted by: SMH at May 19, 2019 02:00 PM (RU4sa)
Probably does to my son too...
@ConflictsW 1 minute ago
Iraqi security forces have closed the green zone and are now combing the area
#Iraq #Baghdad
The Amana bridge brings back memories, heh.
Posted by: SMH at May 19, 2019 02:00 PM (RU4sa)
Probably does to my son too...
@ConflictsW 1 minute ago
Iraqi security forces have closed the green zone and are now combing the area
#Iraq #Baghdad
Posted by: Tami at May 19, 2019 02:03 PM (cF8AT)
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So a two hour traffic jam in 95 degree temperatures would require running the air conditioner while essentially stopped pretty much the whole two hours, right?
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 02:03 PM (EOEiY)
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I have worked in the industry for most of my career. One, windmills would not exist without subsidies, that is the reason they are built. Two, once more pipeline capacity is built, Texas will become the worlds largest producer by itself. Third, electric cars will never make a dent in the transport sector because they cannot compete on range, cost, or reliability.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 19, 2019 02:04 PM (0xCxv)
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I like shale. I especially like that it is helping PA and hurting NY. I know people who live in NY and can't frack who are watching the directional drillers in PA making a good living.
Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at May 19, 2019 02:05 PM (Jj+59)
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@264
I suspect that a lot of people who can afford to buy an electric car don't see the batrery replacement cost as an issue. This is because I suspect that many of them don't expect to still own the car when the battery dies.
Smart attitude? Probably not.
But I suspect it's true, regardless.
I suspect that a lot of people who can afford to buy an electric car don't see the batrery replacement cost as an issue. This is because I suspect that many of them don't expect to still own the car when the battery dies.
Smart attitude? Probably not.
But I suspect it's true, regardless.
Posted by: junior at May 19, 2019 02:05 PM (Fp6vo)
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Because of that fat bastard CHRISTIE, the gas is cheaper for me on base at West Point the in NJ
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 19, 2019 02:05 PM (Y+V3r)
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I've told this story before: Driving from Mesquite to Las Vegas there are plenty of billboards with ads for the thrills and chills of Las Vegas. One section has dozens of billboards each attached with solar panels so they could be lit up at night. The several times I made that drive, at night, none of them worked. Mile after mile of darkened billboards. Kinda eerie, really.
Posted by: washrivergal at May 19, 2019 02:05 PM (EjlXc)
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Well, and your gas tank doesn't need to be replaced once every 6-10 years at a huge expense either. That's a serious hill to get over, no matter how good batteries get. Longer lasting is super important as well. You can get a car from the TWENTIES that has its original running engine.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 02:00 PM (39g3+)
To be fair I have had to replace gas tanks in two of my trucks, but that was over decades of service.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 02:00 PM (39g3+)
To be fair I have had to replace gas tanks in two of my trucks, but that was over decades of service.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 02:06 PM (3hr5B)
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I have looked at electric cars but the cost is much higher the horse power sucks so I am not seeing the advantage
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 19, 2019 02:06 PM (Y+V3r)
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GMC: generally made crap.
General Motors always sucked on the govt teat.
They readily threw in with FDR and his communist/union take over of the vehicle industry.
General Motors always sucked on the govt teat.
They readily threw in with FDR and his communist/union take over of the vehicle industry.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2019 02:06 PM (7cJE3)
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There's a lot of peak oil experts on Zero Hedge. Ha ha.
Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at May 19, 2019 02:06 PM (Jj+59)
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Solar is sort of a joke to provide a meaningful part of the energy grid.
You're going to need nuclear power if most cars go electric.
You're going to need nuclear power if most cars go electric.
Posted by: Blago at May 19, 2019 02:07 PM (UfkIY)
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The Yankees are pitching high schoolers today. Sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 19, 2019 02:08 PM (Y+V3r)
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@BreakingNLive 2 minutes ago
UPDATE: Green Zone in Baghdad, Iraq has been shut down by Iraqi forces, who are now combing the area. As per initial reports, it does not appear that U.S. embassy was hit. The projectiles likely landed very close to the embassy. No injuries being reported as of now - @Natsecjeff
UPDATE: Green Zone in Baghdad, Iraq has been shut down by Iraqi forces, who are now combing the area. As per initial reports, it does not appear that U.S. embassy was hit. The projectiles likely landed very close to the embassy. No injuries being reported as of now - @Natsecjeff
Posted by: Tami at May 19, 2019 02:08 PM (cF8AT)
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278 and then there is that hideous solar farm from Vegas into Cali. I forget where. It's been a few years. Wonder how many birds it burns up per year.
Posted by: Infidel at May 19, 2019 02:08 PM (kRPTw)
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It's not magic, just math.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 19, 2019 01:53 PM (/tuJf)
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They said there would be no math here.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 19, 2019 01:53 PM (/tuJf)
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They said there would be no math here.
Posted by: bluebell at May 19, 2019 02:08 PM (aXucN)
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What makes me angry is that my tax dollars are being spent to put up windmills that cannot be viable on their own, while natural gas is being flared off instead of used to make electricity much more efficiently.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 19, 2019 02:09 PM (0xCxv)
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A lot of people look at cars these days the same way they look at a cell phone. They will replace it in a few years.
I find it kind of fitting that the same people who decry consumerist, disposable culture are now looking to turn cars into disposable items.
I find it kind of fitting that the same people who decry consumerist, disposable culture are now looking to turn cars into disposable items.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 19, 2019 02:10 PM (ycWCI)
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Chiquita Khrushchev on terrorism and the lack thereof:
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
@AOC
When a mass shooting is committed by a Muslim, the crime is almost automatically labeled as Domestic Terrorism.
But when White Supremacists like Dylann Roof shot up a black church, or attack the Tree of Life Synagogue, the FBI declined to charge them w/ Domestic Terrorism.
Why?
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
@AOC
Replying to @AOC
White Supremacists get charged w hate crimes. Muslims get charged w terrorism.
This is a HUGE difference. Hate crimes are underreported, deprioritized, + aren't treated as seriously as domestic terror charges.
Yet in the US, Neo-Nazi violence far outnumbers Islamic extremism.
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Why don't you name a few of those neo-Nazi crimes?
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
@AOC
When a mass shooting is committed by a Muslim, the crime is almost automatically labeled as Domestic Terrorism.
But when White Supremacists like Dylann Roof shot up a black church, or attack the Tree of Life Synagogue, the FBI declined to charge them w/ Domestic Terrorism.
Why?
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
@AOC
Replying to @AOC
White Supremacists get charged w hate crimes. Muslims get charged w terrorism.
This is a HUGE difference. Hate crimes are underreported, deprioritized, + aren't treated as seriously as domestic terror charges.
Yet in the US, Neo-Nazi violence far outnumbers Islamic extremism.
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Why don't you name a few of those neo-Nazi crimes?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 19, 2019 02:10 PM (+y/Ru)
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I have listened to oil experts tell me in the 90s that we had hit peak oil.
Experts.
Posted by: blaster at May 19, 2019 02:03 PM (JMkM+)
You weren't listening to George Mitchell.
Experts.
Posted by: blaster at May 19, 2019 02:03 PM (JMkM+)
You weren't listening to George Mitchell.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2019 02:10 PM (7cJE3)
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If she only drives once a week she should consider picking up a small solar panel, putting it in the windshield of the car, and connecting it to the OBD port in the passenger compartment to trickle-charge the battery.
That's actually a really good idea, I wonder how expensive that would run. She has a little Camry from the 1990s and literally drives it once a week to the store, although lately she hasn't driven it much.
To be fair I have had to replace gas tanks in two of my trucks, but that was over decades of service.
Well, and they didn't cost $6000 plus labor to replace either.
That's actually a really good idea, I wonder how expensive that would run. She has a little Camry from the 1990s and literally drives it once a week to the store, although lately she hasn't driven it much.
To be fair I have had to replace gas tanks in two of my trucks, but that was over decades of service.
Well, and they didn't cost $6000 plus labor to replace either.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 02:10 PM (39g3+)
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"Imagine how many birds are killed colliding with trees. Those things are everywhere.
- AOC"
I was sitting in a high place once, in the open, and one bird chasing another flew close by ... they really do hit the trees. Besides it being really cool to watch, that was what I noticed ... but they can see the wires. Wind turbine blades though ... those are bird choppers.
- AOC"
I was sitting in a high place once, in the open, and one bird chasing another flew close by ... they really do hit the trees. Besides it being really cool to watch, that was what I noticed ... but they can see the wires. Wind turbine blades though ... those are bird choppers.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 19, 2019 02:11 PM (Cus5s)
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It's an opinion blog, what did you expect?
Posted by: Blago at May 19, 2019 01:58 PM (UfkIY)
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No problem. You stated your opinion and I stated mine.
Posted by: Blago at May 19, 2019 01:58 PM (UfkIY)
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No problem. You stated your opinion and I stated mine.
Posted by: dDan at May 19, 2019 02:11 PM (hwYmz)
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287 It's not magic, just math.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 19, 2019 01:53 PM (/tuJf)
Math IS magic, if you are a Moron.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 19, 2019 01:53 PM (/tuJf)
Math IS magic, if you are a Moron.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 19, 2019 02:11 PM (ycWCI)
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The results of a medical study conducted over 40 years and released Friday has determined that drinking beer every day is healthier for you than being dead.
Posted by: Moron News YOU Can Use at May 19, 2019 02:12 PM (DMUuz)
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Response was, buy a Prius, if the battery goes down it'll still get close to the same gas mileage. The others won't.
That sounds like a smart purchase for a hybrid but a really dumb idea overall. But green _ and delusional.
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We bought a Prius 5 years ago. So far I've changed the oil every 10K mi and put new tires on. That's it in 87K mi.
I would argue that a Prius is the most conservative vehicle you can buy. Is it for everyone? No, but it sure meets most people's needs.
That sounds like a smart purchase for a hybrid but a really dumb idea overall. But green _ and delusional.
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We bought a Prius 5 years ago. So far I've changed the oil every 10K mi and put new tires on. That's it in 87K mi.
I would argue that a Prius is the most conservative vehicle you can buy. Is it for everyone? No, but it sure meets most people's needs.
Posted by: Pete Seria at May 19, 2019 02:12 PM (WETLn)
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38 It's comical that you can search for
how many solar panels does it take to produce a single solar panel...
Here's anudder one! How many solar panels does it take to manufacture the truck, the batteries, motors and the vehicle components, that will carry the solar panels from their point of manufacture to the place where they will be installed? Same question for wind turbines. I guess we could say, discuss among yourselves.
how many solar panels does it take to produce a single solar panel...
Here's anudder one! How many solar panels does it take to manufacture the truck, the batteries, motors and the vehicle components, that will carry the solar panels from their point of manufacture to the place where they will be installed? Same question for wind turbines. I guess we could say, discuss among yourselves.
Posted by: George V at May 19, 2019 02:12 PM (LUHWu)
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The thing is, (I don't know quite how to put this rather inchoate thought) electricity is a relatively feeble form of power, compared to chemistry.
Consider producing 23 g of sodium metal by electrolysis (of, e.g., molten NaCl). Now 23 g of Na (1 mole) is less than an ounce. How much electrical current would be required for that electrolysis?
Answer: one Faraday of charge, 96,500 coulombs. One coulomb is an amp-sec, so if we're talking about a 20 amp circuit, that would require 4825 seconds, or 80 minutes. To produce two-thirds of an ounce of Na metal.
This is why some of the most sensitive analytical chemistry techniques involve electrochemistry. Even a miniscule amount of analyte requires an easily measured amount of electricity.
Pardon the garbled assertion above, a more elegant exposition of which eludes me, but a relatively small amount of a chemical compound corresponds to a LOT of electricity. With obvious implications for gasoline- vs. battery-powered vehicles.
Consider producing 23 g of sodium metal by electrolysis (of, e.g., molten NaCl). Now 23 g of Na (1 mole) is less than an ounce. How much electrical current would be required for that electrolysis?
Answer: one Faraday of charge, 96,500 coulombs. One coulomb is an amp-sec, so if we're talking about a 20 amp circuit, that would require 4825 seconds, or 80 minutes. To produce two-thirds of an ounce of Na metal.
This is why some of the most sensitive analytical chemistry techniques involve electrochemistry. Even a miniscule amount of analyte requires an easily measured amount of electricity.
Pardon the garbled assertion above, a more elegant exposition of which eludes me, but a relatively small amount of a chemical compound corresponds to a LOT of electricity. With obvious implications for gasoline- vs. battery-powered vehicles.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 02:12 PM (YqDXo)
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I was sitting in a high place once, in the open, and one bird chasing another flew close by ... they really do hit the trees.
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There's a hawk called a Coopers hawk that hunts in heavily wooded areas. I don't remember the exact number, but something like 80%+ of the ones that have been tagged, rehabilitated, etc. show evidence of multiple breaks of bones in their wings and chests from constantly smashing into branches and trees at speed.
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There's a hawk called a Coopers hawk that hunts in heavily wooded areas. I don't remember the exact number, but something like 80%+ of the ones that have been tagged, rehabilitated, etc. show evidence of multiple breaks of bones in their wings and chests from constantly smashing into branches and trees at speed.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 02:14 PM (EOEiY)
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>>Solar is sort of a joke to provide a meaningful part of the energy grid.
Under the current architecture of the grid. There has been a movement around the world to move toward more distributed, less centralized power generation although the US currently lags.
As the technology is evolving it makes more sense to generate power closer to the demand instead of having huge, centralized plants with massive distribution networks. Microgrid technology is coming on strong.
I don't have a prejudice for or against any one technology, they all have applications for specific areas. The problem comes in when people try to push technologies in areas they were never designed to address like pretending windmills and solar are going to magically replace our current power infrastructure.
Under the current architecture of the grid. There has been a movement around the world to move toward more distributed, less centralized power generation although the US currently lags.
As the technology is evolving it makes more sense to generate power closer to the demand instead of having huge, centralized plants with massive distribution networks. Microgrid technology is coming on strong.
I don't have a prejudice for or against any one technology, they all have applications for specific areas. The problem comes in when people try to push technologies in areas they were never designed to address like pretending windmills and solar are going to magically replace our current power infrastructure.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 19, 2019 02:14 PM (/tuJf)
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I still like McCain's idea of a nationwide push to build 100 nuclear plants. It was so sensible, I could not believe he was supporting it.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 19, 2019 02:15 PM (ycWCI)
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>>Wind turbine blades though ... those are bird choppers.
Stupid question: are they sucked in if they get too close?
Stupid question: are they sucked in if they get too close?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 19, 2019 02:15 PM (W+vEI)
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Colorado's rich in gas and oil (not shale) and a majority (read: Denver metro) of voters in the state want it closed down.
Good! Let the other producers and refiners refuse to deliver gas and oil to the little purist pr*cks in CO as well as power from out-of-state plants. They can live their Utopian dream to the max.
Colorado's rich in gas and oil (not shale) and a majority (read: Denver metro) of voters in the state want it closed down.
Good! Let the other producers and refiners refuse to deliver gas and oil to the little purist pr*cks in CO as well as power from out-of-state plants. They can live their Utopian dream to the max.
Posted by: Grannymimi at May 19, 2019 02:16 PM (u5LFV)
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I would argue that a Prius is the most conservative vehicle you can buy. Is it for everyone? No, but it sure meets most people's needs.
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It's funny that the Prius is hated by the environmental folks for the same reason the Volt was.
It has an engine.
It doesn't matter that it's an almost perfect tradeoff using current technology while new tech is developed, or that it's a usable car that can be driven more than a couple of hundred miles a day (or can sit in traffic jams), or that it has gotten millions of people out of their horrible SUVs or whatever, but it still has an engine so it is still bad.
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It's funny that the Prius is hated by the environmental folks for the same reason the Volt was.
It has an engine.
It doesn't matter that it's an almost perfect tradeoff using current technology while new tech is developed, or that it's a usable car that can be driven more than a couple of hundred miles a day (or can sit in traffic jams), or that it has gotten millions of people out of their horrible SUVs or whatever, but it still has an engine so it is still bad.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 02:17 PM (EOEiY)
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Hey is there a more vile disloyal cock sucker then Romney? Almost makes McCain look loyal
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 19, 2019 02:17 PM (Y+V3r)
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Juan Williams is smart enough to be the token on the Guttfield Show - barely.
Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at May 19, 2019 02:17 PM (Jj+59)
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Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 02:12 PM (YqDXo)
Toss that sodium in water.....for a much more entertaining demonstration of chemical reactivity.
Toss that sodium in water.....for a much more entertaining demonstration of chemical reactivity.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 19, 2019 02:17 PM (AwVzI)
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Stupid question: are they sucked in if they get too close?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 19, 2019 02:15 PM (W+vEI)
Thinking about this without looking it up, I would say no.
The turbine is not powered on it's own, so it is not producing a pressure differential, it is being pushed by the existing wind (existing pressure.)
I think the bird just either does not see the blade or does not expect it to move.
This is just a layman's theory.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 19, 2019 02:15 PM (W+vEI)
Thinking about this without looking it up, I would say no.
The turbine is not powered on it's own, so it is not producing a pressure differential, it is being pushed by the existing wind (existing pressure.)
I think the bird just either does not see the blade or does not expect it to move.
This is just a layman's theory.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 19, 2019 02:18 PM (ycWCI)
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I'm pretty sure Trey Gowdy is a fag, NTTAWWT.
Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at May 19, 2019 02:18 PM (Jj+59)
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a relatively small amount of a chemical compound corresponds to a LOT of electricity.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 02:12 PM
Ja. E=mc².
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 02:12 PM
Ja. E=mc².
Posted by: zombie Albert E. at May 19, 2019 02:19 PM (DMUuz)
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Posted by: Grannymimi at May 19, 2019 02:16 PM (u5LFV)
Not everyone in CO votes like or lives in or around Denver.
Not everyone in CO votes like or lives in or around Denver.
Posted by: Infidel at May 19, 2019 02:19 PM (kRPTw)
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I enjoyed driving through Pennsylvania and seeing every third or fourth big-ass windmill sitting idle because it was apparently broken.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 02:19 PM (EOEiY)
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286 278 and then there is that hideous solar farm from Vegas into Cali. I forget where.
San Gorgonio Pass.
San Gorgonio Pass.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 02:19 PM (YqDXo)
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No problem. You stated your opinion and I stated mine.
Posted by: dDan
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Your only contribution is you don't like my opinion. Bravo
Posted by: dDan
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Your only contribution is you don't like my opinion. Bravo
Posted by: Blago at May 19, 2019 02:19 PM (UfkIY)
Posted by: Infidel at May 19, 2019 02:20 PM (kRPTw)
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I love frakking. It hurts all the right people
- the Russians
- the Iranians
- the Saudis
- the Venezuelans
- the Russians
- the Iranians
- the Saudis
- the Venezuelans
Posted by: chuckR at May 19, 2019 02:21 PM (bRvKP)
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Stupid question: are they sucked in if they get too close?
Posted by: Lizzy at May 19, 2019 02:15 PM (W+vEI)
No, there is no intake, but the tips of the blades can be moving at 100+ mph which nature did not equip the birdies to expect, so "WHAP!" and presto dead bird!
I've heard windmills are sometimes called coyote buffets!
Posted by: Lizzy at May 19, 2019 02:15 PM (W+vEI)
No, there is no intake, but the tips of the blades can be moving at 100+ mph which nature did not equip the birdies to expect, so "WHAP!" and presto dead bird!
I've heard windmills are sometimes called coyote buffets!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 02:21 PM (3hr5B)
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I've heard windmills are sometimes called coyote buffets!
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Ha. Say, did I see you mention a Bentley above? Can I ask a year?
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Ha. Say, did I see you mention a Bentley above? Can I ask a year?
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 02:21 PM (EOEiY)
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I've heard windmills are sometimes called coyote buffets!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 02:21 PM (3hr5B)
They never have enough squirrel out.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 02:21 PM (3hr5B)
They never have enough squirrel out.
Posted by: Coyote at the buffet at May 19, 2019 02:22 PM (ycWCI)
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316 San Gorgonio Pass.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
Thanks.
Posted by: Infidel at May 19, 2019 02:20 PM (kRPTw)
My pleasure. Where half of the wind turbines are no longer operational, and just sit there.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
Thanks.
Posted by: Infidel at May 19, 2019 02:20 PM (kRPTw)
My pleasure. Where half of the wind turbines are no longer operational, and just sit there.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 02:23 PM (YqDXo)
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It's funny that the Prius is hated by the environmental folks for the same reason the Volt was.
It has an engine.
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Right? And that horrible, awful, no good combination will let me drive 500+ miles on a 10 gallon tank of regular gas. The humanity!
It has an engine.
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Right? And that horrible, awful, no good combination will let me drive 500+ miles on a 10 gallon tank of regular gas. The humanity!
Posted by: Pete Seria at May 19, 2019 02:23 PM (WETLn)
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When I worked at the falcon hospital, the BOPs were always getting broken feathers replaced. even a few broken primaries can make it impossible to catch their food. Broken bones not so much.
Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at May 19, 2019 02:24 PM (Jj+59)
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've heard windmills are sometimes called coyote buffets!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 02:21 PM
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They never have enough squirrel out.
Posted by: Coyote at the buffet at May 19, 2019 02:22 PM
And they're always out of roadrunner, for some reason.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 02:21 PM
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They never have enough squirrel out.
Posted by: Coyote at the buffet at May 19, 2019 02:22 PM
And they're always out of roadrunner, for some reason.
Posted by: Wily E. at May 19, 2019 02:24 PM (DMUuz)
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My Wife's cousin has been in the Shale Oil business since the 70's here in Ohio/PA and it's been good.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at May 19, 2019 02:24 PM (dKiJG)
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Microgrid technology, yes, in the future planned neighborhood developers will feature it's own power (mini nuclear plant?) generating system.
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Pardon the garbled assertion above, a more elegant exposition of which eludes me, but a relatively small amount of a chemical compound corresponds to a LOT of electricity. With obvious implications for gasoline- vs. battery-powered vehicles.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 02:12 PM (YqDXo)
Took a course in DOS about a year after Windox came out. The instructor said it would never achieve the stated goals because it was impossible to create the memory storage necessary.
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Pardon the garbled assertion above, a more elegant exposition of which eludes me, but a relatively small amount of a chemical compound corresponds to a LOT of electricity. With obvious implications for gasoline- vs. battery-powered vehicles.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 02:12 PM (YqDXo)
Took a course in DOS about a year after Windox came out. The instructor said it would never achieve the stated goals because it was impossible to create the memory storage necessary.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2019 02:24 PM (7cJE3)
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Until and unless a power source is found/invented that fully eclipses every advantage enjoyed by the IC engine, it's what we'll be tooling around in for the foreseeable future, like it or not.
Until and unless a power source is found/invented that fully eclipses every advantage enjoyed by the IC engine, it's what we'll be tooling around in for the foreseeable future, like it or not.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 19, 2019 02:25 PM (KATBx)
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I suspect that a lot of people who can afford to buy
an electric car don't see the batrery replacement cost as an issue.
This is because I suspect that many of them don't expect to still own
the car when the battery dies.
Smart attitude? Probably not.
But I suspect it's true, regardless.
Posted by: junior at May 19, 2019 02:05 PM
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We owned a Ford Fusion Hybrid. Loved the car and loved the City mileage, but they do have hidden costs.
The first I noticed about the hidden costs was when our car tax bill came in and the tax on the hybrid was almost $200 lower than it was the year before. Come to find out once you pass the five year mark on hybrids the value of the car starts to plummet because you are getting close to having to replace the battery.
This was quite a few years ago, but to replace the battery in that car was over $9,000 with all of the fees and costs associated with it. Pretty sure it isn't as much now.
As soon as I found that out, I traded the car in on a Honda CR-V even though it only had 65,000 miles on it and we liked the car.
an electric car don't see the batrery replacement cost as an issue.
This is because I suspect that many of them don't expect to still own
the car when the battery dies.
Smart attitude? Probably not.
But I suspect it's true, regardless.
Posted by: junior at May 19, 2019 02:05 PM
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We owned a Ford Fusion Hybrid. Loved the car and loved the City mileage, but they do have hidden costs.
The first I noticed about the hidden costs was when our car tax bill came in and the tax on the hybrid was almost $200 lower than it was the year before. Come to find out once you pass the five year mark on hybrids the value of the car starts to plummet because you are getting close to having to replace the battery.
This was quite a few years ago, but to replace the battery in that car was over $9,000 with all of the fees and costs associated with it. Pretty sure it isn't as much now.
As soon as I found that out, I traded the car in on a Honda CR-V even though it only had 65,000 miles on it and we liked the car.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 19, 2019 02:25 PM (JUOKG)
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Right? And that horrible, awful, no good combination will let me drive 500+ miles on a 10 gallon tank of regular gas. The humanity!
Posted by: Pete Seria at May 19, 2019 02:23 PM (WETLn)
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And IIRC some of the newer models have an electric-only option for up to ten miles or so. Exactly what urban dwellers need and can use.
Pretty much a perfect tradeoff, and also reasonably priced.
Posted by: Pete Seria at May 19, 2019 02:23 PM (WETLn)
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And IIRC some of the newer models have an electric-only option for up to ten miles or so. Exactly what urban dwellers need and can use.
Pretty much a perfect tradeoff, and also reasonably priced.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 02:26 PM (EOEiY)
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>>@AOC
Replying to @AOC
White Supremacists get charged w hate crimes. Muslims get charged w terrorism.
This is a HUGE difference. Hate crimes are underreported, deprioritized, + aren't treated as seriously as domestic terror charges.
Yet in the US, Neo-Nazi violence far outnumbers Islamic extremism.
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Let's play fast and loose with statistics and labels, huh?
First, "hate" crimes are a broad range of crimes, since it's essentially a charge for the animating emotions of the criminal. A hate crime of scrawling a swastika on a bathroom stall =/= hate crime of pushing an elderly man off a bus, or shooting up a church.
Terrorism has an ever-decreasing definitional scope of being a member of a terrorist group and carrying it out with the assistance and coordination of your terror group. We've been told again and again that one guy "self-radicalizing" himself by watching ISIS stuff on youtube is =/= terrorism.
And then there's that ridiculous "Nazi" labeling, which is just . . .*throws hands up in the air*
Replying to @AOC
White Supremacists get charged w hate crimes. Muslims get charged w terrorism.
This is a HUGE difference. Hate crimes are underreported, deprioritized, + aren't treated as seriously as domestic terror charges.
Yet in the US, Neo-Nazi violence far outnumbers Islamic extremism.
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Let's play fast and loose with statistics and labels, huh?
First, "hate" crimes are a broad range of crimes, since it's essentially a charge for the animating emotions of the criminal. A hate crime of scrawling a swastika on a bathroom stall =/= hate crime of pushing an elderly man off a bus, or shooting up a church.
Terrorism has an ever-decreasing definitional scope of being a member of a terrorist group and carrying it out with the assistance and coordination of your terror group. We've been told again and again that one guy "self-radicalizing" himself by watching ISIS stuff on youtube is =/= terrorism.
And then there's that ridiculous "Nazi" labeling, which is just . . .*throws hands up in the air*
Posted by: Lizzy at May 19, 2019 02:26 PM (W+vEI)
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It's not the engine of the Prius I have a problem with. It's the shame of being seen in one.
They are the Crocs of automobiles.
They are the Crocs of automobiles.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 19, 2019 02:26 PM (/tuJf)
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Isn't fracking, in general, the driving force behind this new production? Not just shale fracking.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 19, 2019 02:26 PM (yQpMk)
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Ha. Say, did I see you mention a Bentley above? Can I ask a year?
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 02:21 PM (EOEiY)
My apologies, I should have put a /sarc tag in the Bentley sentence!
I just wish I had one.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 02:21 PM (EOEiY)
My apologies, I should have put a /sarc tag in the Bentley sentence!
I just wish I had one.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 02:26 PM (3hr5B)
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The gas business would be a lot better if it went back to 7 bucks instead of 2.61
Posted by: Jake from State Farm at May 19, 2019 02:26 PM (Jj+59)
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It's funny that the Prius is hated by the environmental folks for the same reason the Volt was.
It has an engine.
So they won't be happy until we go to donkey carts?
Well, we're importing a lot of people who are familiar with their use, for what that's worth.
It has an engine.
So they won't be happy until we go to donkey carts?
Well, we're importing a lot of people who are familiar with their use, for what that's worth.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 02:27 PM (YqDXo)
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Hasn't it been shown that something like 184 of the 231 Nazis in the US are undercover FBI agents?
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 02:27 PM (EOEiY)
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Environmentalists never really have an answer to just the manufacturing material it would take to make an energy grid powered by windmills and solar panels. If you drive through Palm Springs in So Ca, it's astonishing how many windmills are there, and it only powers like 4% of california.
Versus just a nuclear plant about the size of a couple Costcos.
Versus just a nuclear plant about the size of a couple Costcos.
Posted by: Blago at May 19, 2019 02:28 PM (UfkIY)
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My apologies, I should have put a /sarc tag in the Bentley sentence!
I just wish I had one.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 02:26 PM (3hr5B)
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No, it's fine. I'm a sucker for British cars, and the Horde is wild and varied, so I had no reason to believe otherwise. Older models are really cheap, too, because it turns out that hand-hammered body panels are extremely expensive to repair even after laughably minor fender benders when the high schooler behind you is texting her friends at the stoplight.
I just wish I had one.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 02:26 PM (3hr5B)
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No, it's fine. I'm a sucker for British cars, and the Horde is wild and varied, so I had no reason to believe otherwise. Older models are really cheap, too, because it turns out that hand-hammered body panels are extremely expensive to repair even after laughably minor fender benders when the high schooler behind you is texting her friends at the stoplight.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 02:30 PM (EOEiY)
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Terrorism has an ever-decreasing definitional scope of being a member of a terrorist group and carrying it out with the assistance and coordination of your terror group. We've been told again and again that one guy "self-radicalizing" himself by watching ISIS stuff on youtube is =/= terrorism.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 19, 2019 02:26 PM (W+vEI)
One of the things that has escaped AOC - it's a long list - is that terrorism is defined as violence toward achieving a political end.
So random nutjob shooting up some place for non-political reasons is NOT terrorism. Shooting up a place to push for sharia or other Muslim crap IS terrorism, because it's motivation is political (i.e., to affect public policy).
Posted by: Lizzy at May 19, 2019 02:26 PM (W+vEI)
One of the things that has escaped AOC - it's a long list - is that terrorism is defined as violence toward achieving a political end.
So random nutjob shooting up some place for non-political reasons is NOT terrorism. Shooting up a place to push for sharia or other Muslim crap IS terrorism, because it's motivation is political (i.e., to affect public policy).
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 02:30 PM (YqDXo)
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Hydrogen flammability in air is 4%. Liquid hydrogen is stored at 36 degrees F above ABSOLUTE zero. A gallon (by volume) of gasoline has four times the energy as a gallon of LH2. LH2 expands to 850 times it's volume when evaporating.
LH2 distribution to even provide a minimum infrastructure for H2 fuel cells will cost a fortune not to mention the safety factor during a crash.
LH2 distribution to even provide a minimum infrastructure for H2 fuel cells will cost a fortune not to mention the safety factor during a crash.
Posted by: pawn at May 19, 2019 02:30 PM (ti2yD)
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it's --> its
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 02:31 PM (YqDXo)
342
A Prius driven by a neighbor drove over my mom's cat while he was sunbathing on the driveway. Even cats can't hear them, but in all fairness to the poor kitty, the narrow driveway cuts through my parent's back yard so it looks like it is a path in the woods, and neighbor drives like her ass is on fire. So even if the car was a gas guzzling suv like the one I drive, he might still have gotten run over if it was driven as fast as that Prius.
So, the kitty lived, but had spinal damage. After the incident, his tail didn't work and he had a noticeable limp until he died peacefully a few years later.
So, the kitty lived, but had spinal damage. After the incident, his tail didn't work and he had a noticeable limp until he died peacefully a few years later.
Posted by: squeakywheel at May 19, 2019 02:32 PM (qcX7A)
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Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 02:31 PM (YqDXo)
That was in reference to my #339, where I saw the booboo on reading the finished comment.
That was in reference to my #339, where I saw the booboo on reading the finished comment.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 02:32 PM (YqDXo)
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That's my hangup with a lot of interesting cars, frankly. Aston Martins, Bentleys, Lamborghinis, etc. can be had for the price of a middle of the road BMW, but the care and feeding is prohibitively expensive.
Maybe if I were in this position as a 25 year old I'd be foolish enough to take it on, but no longer. When the actuators/motors/mechanism for a convertible top costs as much as a nice used car...
Maybe if I were in this position as a 25 year old I'd be foolish enough to take it on, but no longer. When the actuators/motors/mechanism for a convertible top costs as much as a nice used car...
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 02:33 PM (EOEiY)
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AOC truly is dull-witted.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2019 02:34 PM (YqDXo)
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>>So random nutjob shooting up some place for non-political reasons is NOT terrorism. Shooting up a place to push for sharia or other Muslim crap IS terrorism, because it's motivation is political (i.e., to affect public policy).
"Yeah, but all those guys are Nazis!"
-- AOC
"Yeah, but all those guys are Nazis!"
-- AOC
Posted by: Lizzy at May 19, 2019 02:35 PM (W+vEI)
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336 Hasn't it been shown that something like 184 of the 231 Nazis in the US are undercover FBI agents?
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 02:27 PM (EOEiY)
And nowadays we gotta wonder how sketchy the FBI guys are.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 02:27 PM (EOEiY)
And nowadays we gotta wonder how sketchy the FBI guys are.
Posted by: rickl at May 19, 2019 02:36 PM (sdi6R)
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Your only contribution is you don't like my opinion. Bravo
Posted by: Blago at May 19, 2019 02:19 PM (UfkIY)
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You are correct and my apologies. The post struck me wrong.
I'm glad you and your family like the car.
Doesn't mean it's the future, doesn't mean it's not either. Lot's of problems to be worked out.
Posted by: Blago at May 19, 2019 02:19 PM (UfkIY)
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You are correct and my apologies. The post struck me wrong.
I'm glad you and your family like the car.
Doesn't mean it's the future, doesn't mean it's not either. Lot's of problems to be worked out.
Posted by: dDan at May 19, 2019 02:36 PM (hwYmz)
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It's not magic, just math.
Some days I wish language were as dangerous to play with as chemicals.
Yes, yes of course. Top men have been working on batteries for over a hundred years, with improvement best described as "incremental." BUT, if the sudden magic of doubling or tripling their capacity should magically happen tomorrow magic morning after the application of magic amounts of my money, most certainly, just like math, more people will use them.
That's just a lie with the word "math" in it.
The kind of crap that gives math a bad name, century after century.
Some days I wish language were as dangerous to play with as chemicals.
Yes, yes of course. Top men have been working on batteries for over a hundred years, with improvement best described as "incremental." BUT, if the sudden magic of doubling or tripling their capacity should magically happen tomorrow magic morning after the application of magic amounts of my money, most certainly, just like math, more people will use them.
That's just a lie with the word "math" in it.
The kind of crap that gives math a bad name, century after century.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at May 19, 2019 02:38 PM (8ZmvG)
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And nowadays we gotta wonder how sketchy the FBI guys are.
Posted by: rickl at May 19, 2019 02:36 PM (sdi6R)
A lot of them are actual Nazis- in the real sense. Maybe not in the white power, racist sense, but in the black leather coat, show up in the middle of the night sense.
Posted by: rickl at May 19, 2019 02:36 PM (sdi6R)
A lot of them are actual Nazis- in the real sense. Maybe not in the white power, racist sense, but in the black leather coat, show up in the middle of the night sense.
Posted by: Coyote at the buffet at May 19, 2019 02:39 PM (ycWCI)
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On the whole, this sounds like the same kind of "expert analysis" that predicted the permanent stock market plunge after Trump was elected. Simply elitists spinning the facts to try to support whatever conclusion they want.
Oil is a critical, and therefore valuable, commodity, and with the majority of the conventional oil already having been tapped, shale oil can only become the primary source of oil as time goes on.
All booms eventually come to an end, so predicting such a thing is like predicting that we'll have a hurricane within the next few years.
But "Peal Oil" hasn't really been refuted at all, at least not the original idea put forward in a 74 page paper many decades ago. If you read it, as I have, you'd know what it actually says, and what it says is really not radical. Unless you can prove that the Earth produces oil at a rate at least as high as we use it, the idea is simply that there's only so much (except on geologic time scales!), so the "area under the curve" is finite, and so that curve will have a maximum. It's straitforward math.
The nonsense comes in as what implications are to be drawn, from this simple math - the political agendas. In reality, what it really means is that we ought to stop screwing around, and come up with a radically new form of nuclear energy that really is virtually inexhaustible. Oddly, nobody seems to talk about that, when in reality it should be common knowledge. The only debate is whether it takes 50 years or 100, before energy starts to become a luxury, and we either kill each other off in mass, or go back to the Stone Age.
Oil is a critical, and therefore valuable, commodity, and with the majority of the conventional oil already having been tapped, shale oil can only become the primary source of oil as time goes on.
All booms eventually come to an end, so predicting such a thing is like predicting that we'll have a hurricane within the next few years.
But "Peal Oil" hasn't really been refuted at all, at least not the original idea put forward in a 74 page paper many decades ago. If you read it, as I have, you'd know what it actually says, and what it says is really not radical. Unless you can prove that the Earth produces oil at a rate at least as high as we use it, the idea is simply that there's only so much (except on geologic time scales!), so the "area under the curve" is finite, and so that curve will have a maximum. It's straitforward math.
The nonsense comes in as what implications are to be drawn, from this simple math - the political agendas. In reality, what it really means is that we ought to stop screwing around, and come up with a radically new form of nuclear energy that really is virtually inexhaustible. Oddly, nobody seems to talk about that, when in reality it should be common knowledge. The only debate is whether it takes 50 years or 100, before energy starts to become a luxury, and we either kill each other off in mass, or go back to the Stone Age.
Posted by: Optimizer at May 19, 2019 02:39 PM (hOOi9)
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Where batteries shine?
Power tools and stuff around the house. Weedeaters, shop lights, etc.
That's where I'm glad to have modern battery technology.
Power tools and stuff around the house. Weedeaters, shop lights, etc.
That's where I'm glad to have modern battery technology.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 02:39 PM (EOEiY)
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OCD is a hellava disorder.
Posted by: pawn at May 19, 2019 02:39 PM (ti2yD)
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I still like McCain's idea of a nationwide push to build 100 nuclear plants. It was so sensible, I could not believe he was supporting it.
I think he had that while running for president. He said a lot of good ideas while running for president and only then, because I'm pretty sure he was getting good advice and tips on what people like then but didn't believe in or would have done any of it.
But yeah. The nation needs more nukes, at least ten. Every mega city should have its own reactor.
I think he had that while running for president. He said a lot of good ideas while running for president and only then, because I'm pretty sure he was getting good advice and tips on what people like then but didn't believe in or would have done any of it.
But yeah. The nation needs more nukes, at least ten. Every mega city should have its own reactor.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 02:39 PM (39g3+)
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It's not the cost of a thing it's the functionality.
When an energy cell is developed that can truly compete with gasoline as a fuel people will buy it.
Rich people will buy it first because of the novelty and exclusivity. That will provide money for mass production and innovation allowing the product to refined and reduced in cost for mass consumption.
When it is developed.
When an energy cell is developed that can truly compete with gasoline as a fuel people will buy it.
Rich people will buy it first because of the novelty and exclusivity. That will provide money for mass production and innovation allowing the product to refined and reduced in cost for mass consumption.
When it is developed.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2019 02:39 PM (7cJE3)
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Also I recently learned that Home Depot's house brand "Ridgid" has a lifetime guarantee on their batteries for their power tools. Register the tool and battery over the phone or internet and when the battery won't charge anymore they'll send you another for free.
When I heard that I stopped looking at pretty much all other competitors.
When I heard that I stopped looking at pretty much all other competitors.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 02:41 PM (EOEiY)
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I think the main beefs conservatives have with electric cars is that they are
1) newish (this new wave of them at least)
2) super beloved and pushed by radical leftists
So its a kind of kneejerk reaction, curmudgeonly. It makes us immediately suspicious or opposed.
But there are serious problems with the things, upon closer examination. I always laugh out loud when an electric car owner thinks they're saving money over paying for gas. Even if you don't factor in the cost of battery replacement, you're not because of the huge up front cost.
1) newish (this new wave of them at least)
2) super beloved and pushed by radical leftists
So its a kind of kneejerk reaction, curmudgeonly. It makes us immediately suspicious or opposed.
But there are serious problems with the things, upon closer examination. I always laugh out loud when an electric car owner thinks they're saving money over paying for gas. Even if you don't factor in the cost of battery replacement, you're not because of the huge up front cost.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 02:42 PM (39g3+)
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Some of those lifetime warranties don't refer to your lifetime, they refer to the life of the company issuing the warranty.
Posted by: navybrat, occasional commentater at May 19, 2019 02:42 PM (w7KSn)
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Hey youse guys, there's a nood
Posted by: Pete Seria at May 19, 2019 02:42 PM (WETLn)
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>>That's just a lie with the word "math" in it.
The kind of crap that gives math a bad name, century after century.
Nonsense. Billions upon billions have been poured into the internal combustion based automobile industry around the world for those same hundred years with the express purpose of making them more efficient and powerful. And look where we are.
A tiny fraction of the money spent on that has been poured into advanced battery technology. Most development was improvements to lead acid technologies which represented marginal gains on a stable technology.
Current development is on replacements for lithium ion and similar technologies which have massive limitations including being unstable and extremely difficult to extinguish when they burn.
Generational breakthroughs are how massive gains are made whether it's in cars, computers, rockets, airplanes, etc. And none of that happens without massive amounts of R&D spending. And when the benefits outweigh the costs thats when technologies are more widely adopted.
Some days I wish people thought more.
The kind of crap that gives math a bad name, century after century.
Nonsense. Billions upon billions have been poured into the internal combustion based automobile industry around the world for those same hundred years with the express purpose of making them more efficient and powerful. And look where we are.
A tiny fraction of the money spent on that has been poured into advanced battery technology. Most development was improvements to lead acid technologies which represented marginal gains on a stable technology.
Current development is on replacements for lithium ion and similar technologies which have massive limitations including being unstable and extremely difficult to extinguish when they burn.
Generational breakthroughs are how massive gains are made whether it's in cars, computers, rockets, airplanes, etc. And none of that happens without massive amounts of R&D spending. And when the benefits outweigh the costs thats when technologies are more widely adopted.
Some days I wish people thought more.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 19, 2019 02:47 PM (/tuJf)
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If you want to argue long term, no electricity should be generated by fossil fuels, even coal. Hydro and nuclear only, so you can save the coal for synthetic oil a few centuries from now.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 19, 2019 02:47 PM (yQpMk)
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Also I recently learned that Home Depot's house brand "Ridgid" has a lifetime guarantee on their batteries for their power tools. Register the tool and battery over the phone or internet and when the battery won't charge anymore they'll send you another for free.
When I heard that I stopped looking at pretty much all other competitors.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 02:41 PM
Lots of hoops to be jumped through to claim, unfortunately.
When I heard that I stopped looking at pretty much all other competitors.
Posted by: Moron Robbie remembers when painting your face as a caricature of a minority was wrong at May 19, 2019 02:41 PM
Lots of hoops to be jumped through to claim, unfortunately.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 19, 2019 02:47 PM (DMUuz)
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Ridged used to be a quality product, don't know about the present. Ryobi used to be the house brand.
I bought a Ryobi set and would grade them average/OK, adequate+ for home owner use.
I have worked Makita and at the time they were tough.
I bought a Ryobi set and would grade them average/OK, adequate+ for home owner use.
I have worked Makita and at the time they were tough.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2019 02:49 PM (7cJE3)
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I have worked Makita and at the time they were tough.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2019 02:49 PM (7cJE3)
I really liked the Makita stuff.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2019 02:49 PM (7cJE3)
I really liked the Makita stuff.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at May 19, 2019 02:51 PM (3hr5B)
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My cousin operates a business that supports energy discoveries/exploration and has operated all over the US and Canada. He doesn't extract, just helps companies find deposits. He told me, "there's so much goddamn oil out there, you can't believe it." It all boils down to how much it costs to get it out of the ground - the break even point. Some is more expensive to extract than others. We may have gotten most of the "easy" (and cheap) stuff, but there's lots more. He doesn't think we'll ever run out - at least not before science gives us new energy sources like fusion or whatever.
Posted by: Mongoose at May 19, 2019 02:52 PM (AeNGk)
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He told me, "there's so much goddamn oil out there, you can't believe it."
San Francisco Bay? Where they had the oil spill.
More oil, annually, seeps up because of pressure and floats to the beach than washed up during the spill.
The platforms are still out there.
San Francisco Bay? Where they had the oil spill.
More oil, annually, seeps up because of pressure and floats to the beach than washed up during the spill.
The platforms are still out there.
Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2019 02:57 PM (7cJE3)
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But yeah. The nation needs more nukes, at least ten. Every mega city should have its own reactor.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 02:39 PM (39g3+)
NYC has two (Indian Point 2, & 3. Reactor 1 is shutdown permanently). Which the owner is being pressured to close within the next two years Which takes 200 MW of generating capacity out of the picture. which is ~16% of ConEd's peak demand.
More Cuomo idiocy.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2019 02:39 PM (39g3+)
NYC has two (Indian Point 2, & 3. Reactor 1 is shutdown permanently). Which the owner is being pressured to close within the next two years Which takes 200 MW of generating capacity out of the picture. which is ~16% of ConEd's peak demand.
More Cuomo idiocy.
Posted by: Fox2! at May 19, 2019 02:59 PM (MwFQu)
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My Uncle as Interior Dept lead geologist investigated the Monterey Oil shale formation in California in the 80's and found that at only a 20% recovery rate - standard for shale -, the Monterey had enough oil in it to make it the fourth or fifth largest oil field in the world. So forget about there not being enough oil - it's there, it's just the powers at be don't want to develop those fields.
Posted by: Unsk at May 19, 2019 03:05 PM (Nz64U)
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goes 100 miles on a charge
How far does it go at night with the lights and AC on? How long does it take to charge?
100 mile "Range" is ~ an hour and a half at highway speed. Which is less than human "range" (stop for restroom and stretch every 2 hours). Are there charging stations along I-70 and I-90 though western Missouri, Kansas, Colorado, Utah, Montana, Idaho, South Dakota, Minnesota, eastern Washington? Or are they as rare as a BMW SAV center?
How far does it go at night with the lights and AC on? How long does it take to charge?
100 mile "Range" is ~ an hour and a half at highway speed. Which is less than human "range" (stop for restroom and stretch every 2 hours). Are there charging stations along I-70 and I-90 though western Missouri, Kansas, Colorado, Utah, Montana, Idaho, South Dakota, Minnesota, eastern Washington? Or are they as rare as a BMW SAV center?
Posted by: Fox2! at May 19, 2019 03:05 PM (MwFQu)
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361 If you want to argue long term, no electricity should be generated by fossil fuels, even coal. Hydro and nuclear only, so you can save the coal for synthetic oil a few centuries from now.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 19, 2019 02:47 PM (yQpMk)
Indeed. Oil is a valuable thing - not just for electricity. Lubricating engines. Powering cars. Manufacturing plastics. The list is long.
Natural gas is so perfect for heating that it's also a "crime" to use THAT for generating electricity. Maybe at least we'll find out that natgas regenerates fairly quickly.
But the BIG problem is that nuclear power - as it stands today - has the same problem as oil & coal: there's only just so much uranium, etc. That's why I say we need RADICAL new forms of nuclear energy. For example, if we could get fusion energy going, we wouldn't need to worry about running out of hydogen molecules.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 19, 2019 02:47 PM (yQpMk)
Indeed. Oil is a valuable thing - not just for electricity. Lubricating engines. Powering cars. Manufacturing plastics. The list is long.
Natural gas is so perfect for heating that it's also a "crime" to use THAT for generating electricity. Maybe at least we'll find out that natgas regenerates fairly quickly.
But the BIG problem is that nuclear power - as it stands today - has the same problem as oil & coal: there's only just so much uranium, etc. That's why I say we need RADICAL new forms of nuclear energy. For example, if we could get fusion energy going, we wouldn't need to worry about running out of hydogen molecules.
Posted by: Optimizer at May 19, 2019 03:12 PM (hOOi9)
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I looked at getting a hybrid car back when they were "a thing" (maybe they still are). I didn't care if it was a big Leftist thing - I just looked to see if it would make sense, financially. I actually LIKE the idea of making use of the energy you simply throw away when you hit the brakes - it's just less wasteful.
I think they were about $6000 more at the time. There was just no way that I was going to save that much in gas over the life of the car, so it was a no-go.
But electric cars? That's such a joke it's not worth serious discussion. It would take a REVOLUTIONARY advancement in technology for THAT to be anything but a farce generated by Leftists lying to themselves and others. "Call me", when and IF that ever happens.
I think they were about $6000 more at the time. There was just no way that I was going to save that much in gas over the life of the car, so it was a no-go.
But electric cars? That's such a joke it's not worth serious discussion. It would take a REVOLUTIONARY advancement in technology for THAT to be anything but a farce generated by Leftists lying to themselves and others. "Call me", when and IF that ever happens.
Posted by: Optimizer at May 19, 2019 03:19 PM (hOOi9)
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But "Peal Oil" hasn't really been refuted at all, at
least not the original idea put forward in a 74 page paper many decades
ago. If you read it, as I have, you'd know what it actually says, and
what it says is really not radical. Unless you can prove that the Earth
produces oil at a rate at least as high as we use it, the idea is simply
that there's only so much (except on geologic time scales!), so the
"area under the curve" is finite, and so that curve will have a maximum.
It's straitforward math.
The nonsense comes in as what implications are to be drawn, from
this simple math - the political agendas. In reality, what it really
means is that we ought to stop screwing around, and come up with a
radically new form of nuclear energy that really is virtually
inexhaustible. Oddly, nobody seems to talk about that, when in reality
it should be common knowledge. The only debate is whether it takes 50
years or 100, before energy starts to become a luxury, and we either
kill each other off in mass, or go back to the Stone Age.
Posted by: Optimizer at May 19, 2019 02:39 PM
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Sorry, but Peak Oil theory has been disproven multiple times over the last few decades.
Peak Oil theory rests on two things. #1 Oil runs out. Oil has been "running out" since the first oil wells were drilled in PA. Peak Oil is just another scare like acid rain, killer bees, Y2K, global warming, the population bomb and the hole in the ozone layer.
Most of the Peak Oil doomsayer leaders are gone and one of them is casting horoscopes in Central America. All proven to be frauds.
Oil is not running out at current extraction levels and technology there is over 150 years worth of recoverable oil around the World. Plus technology changes and makes ever more oil recoverable. See fraking. Something else will come along in the future.
Plus we have about 500+ years worth of coal that can be turned into gasoline just laying around. The Germans managed to conduct the last 18 months of the war using coal liquefaction.
#2. Peak Oil theory sees the decline of civilization just a few short years after "peak oil" is reached. And we hit the stone age a couple of decades after that. Ain't gonna happen*
That is a dead horse.
*Barring a direct hit by SMOD.
least not the original idea put forward in a 74 page paper many decades
ago. If you read it, as I have, you'd know what it actually says, and
what it says is really not radical. Unless you can prove that the Earth
produces oil at a rate at least as high as we use it, the idea is simply
that there's only so much (except on geologic time scales!), so the
"area under the curve" is finite, and so that curve will have a maximum.
It's straitforward math.
The nonsense comes in as what implications are to be drawn, from
this simple math - the political agendas. In reality, what it really
means is that we ought to stop screwing around, and come up with a
radically new form of nuclear energy that really is virtually
inexhaustible. Oddly, nobody seems to talk about that, when in reality
it should be common knowledge. The only debate is whether it takes 50
years or 100, before energy starts to become a luxury, and we either
kill each other off in mass, or go back to the Stone Age.
Posted by: Optimizer at May 19, 2019 02:39 PM
---
Sorry, but Peak Oil theory has been disproven multiple times over the last few decades.
Peak Oil theory rests on two things. #1 Oil runs out. Oil has been "running out" since the first oil wells were drilled in PA. Peak Oil is just another scare like acid rain, killer bees, Y2K, global warming, the population bomb and the hole in the ozone layer.
Most of the Peak Oil doomsayer leaders are gone and one of them is casting horoscopes in Central America. All proven to be frauds.
Oil is not running out at current extraction levels and technology there is over 150 years worth of recoverable oil around the World. Plus technology changes and makes ever more oil recoverable. See fraking. Something else will come along in the future.
Plus we have about 500+ years worth of coal that can be turned into gasoline just laying around. The Germans managed to conduct the last 18 months of the war using coal liquefaction.
#2. Peak Oil theory sees the decline of civilization just a few short years after "peak oil" is reached. And we hit the stone age a couple of decades after that. Ain't gonna happen*
That is a dead horse.
*Barring a direct hit by SMOD.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 19, 2019 03:22 PM (JUOKG)
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Willowed, but another potential energy source is orbiting satellites collecting solar energy and beaming it down to Earth by microwave. This has been discussed at least since the 1970s. Solar collectors in space would be far more efficient than those on Earth since the sunlight is not filtered and attenuated by the atmosphere.
Posted by: rickl at May 19, 2019 03:51 PM (sdi6R)
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But electric cars? That's such a joke it's not worth serious discussion. It would take a REVOLUTIONARY advancement in technology for THAT to be anything but a farce generated by Leftists lying to themselves and others. "Call me", when and IF that ever happens.
Oh no, I find EVs far more compelling than hybrids.
In part because so many of the most notable hybrids are just Godawful ugly and were built to be distinctive and weird-looking. The whole Prius family should be wrapped in brown paper.
In part because the hybrid, despite the fact that many automakers have managed to make them quite reliable, are just very complex beasts. They have the packaging ills of the internal-combustion engine AND the packaging ills of an EV battery AND the powertrain complexity of putting both together.
An EV done properly is far simpler mechanically, can be structurally very different, can place the motors and batteries in locations unique to a pure EV, etc. Yes, at this point they're comparatively expensive largely due to battery cost, but if you've got 250 miles of range you've got 90% of daily use covered in pretty much every temperate part of the country.
Oh no, I find EVs far more compelling than hybrids.
In part because so many of the most notable hybrids are just Godawful ugly and were built to be distinctive and weird-looking. The whole Prius family should be wrapped in brown paper.
In part because the hybrid, despite the fact that many automakers have managed to make them quite reliable, are just very complex beasts. They have the packaging ills of the internal-combustion engine AND the packaging ills of an EV battery AND the powertrain complexity of putting both together.
An EV done properly is far simpler mechanically, can be structurally very different, can place the motors and batteries in locations unique to a pure EV, etc. Yes, at this point they're comparatively expensive largely due to battery cost, but if you've got 250 miles of range you've got 90% of daily use covered in pretty much every temperate part of the country.
Posted by: JEM at May 19, 2019 03:56 PM (8erNz)
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Indeed. Oil is a valuable thing - not just for electricity. Lubricating engines. Powering cars. Manufacturing plastics. The list is long.
Natural gas is so perfect for heating that it's also a "crime" to use THAT for generating electricity. Maybe at least we'll find out that natgas regenerates fairly quickly.
Most synthetic oils (engine/transmission/axle/industrial) are partly or wholly made from natural gas.
Natural gas is the optimal energy-generation power source right now, it's cheap, it's clean, gas-fueled power plants are quick and cheap to permit and build, fuel handling is far easier than coal or any other fossil source.
Natural gas is so perfect for heating that it's also a "crime" to use THAT for generating electricity. Maybe at least we'll find out that natgas regenerates fairly quickly.
Most synthetic oils (engine/transmission/axle/industrial) are partly or wholly made from natural gas.
Natural gas is the optimal energy-generation power source right now, it's cheap, it's clean, gas-fueled power plants are quick and cheap to permit and build, fuel handling is far easier than coal or any other fossil source.
Posted by: JEM at May 19, 2019 03:59 PM (8erNz)
376
Whale oil beef farts...........................Fracked an oily one there...clean up on oil cracking dino doo doo.
Posted by: saf at May 19, 2019 04:08 PM (5IHGB)
377
Shale Oil is the most popular boys name in Wyoming & South arabia.........
Posted by: saf at May 19, 2019 04:11 PM (5IHGB)
378
re: "the shale boom depended on huge amounts of debt that was doled out
without serious consideration for whether shale producers would be able
to pay it back." thus, "Why do the debts of an industry have any bearing on the future viability of that industry?"
Yes, and the article points out the Darwinism of the market, over-leveraged companies were bought out by bigger oil companies and consolidation is occurring. Other articles have observed the increasing productivity of shale production, more for less, thus most companies are now cash-flow positive.
without serious consideration for whether shale producers would be able
to pay it back." thus, "Why do the debts of an industry have any bearing on the future viability of that industry?"
Yes, and the article points out the Darwinism of the market, over-leveraged companies were bought out by bigger oil companies and consolidation is occurring. Other articles have observed the increasing productivity of shale production, more for less, thus most companies are now cash-flow positive.
Posted by: potadas at May 19, 2019 05:13 PM (PTCAE)
379
278 I've told this story before: Driving from Mesquite to Las Vegas there are plenty of billboards with ads for the thrills and chills of Las Vegas. One section has dozens of billboards each attached with solar panels so they could be lit up at night. The several times I made that drive, at night, none of them worked. Mile after mile of darkened billboards. Kinda eerie, really.
Posted by: washrivergal at May 19, 2019 02:05 PM (EjlXc)
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Illegal aliens stole the wires.
Posted by: washrivergal at May 19, 2019 02:05 PM (EjlXc)
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Illegal aliens stole the wires.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at May 19, 2019 06:29 PM (t5m5e)
380
Take a bucket of dead lizards and bury them ten feet down..come back in two million years and what do you find if anything? Not oil!! Bible says all returns to dust! Fossil fuel my ass!! Oil is a self replenishing gift from the LORD..
Posted by: J Biden Sniffy gives me a stiffy... at May 19, 2019 07:13 PM (0LXU2)
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And yeah, you make a fine point at the end there.
Does anyone, while speaking English, call Paris "Paree" or "Rome" Roma?
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 19, 2019 01:28 PM (Rxduq)
Cologne Köln? Vienna Wien?
Only when they're being especially pretentious.
Does anyone, while speaking English, call Paris "Paree" or "Rome" Roma?
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 19, 2019 01:28 PM (Rxduq)
Cologne Köln? Vienna Wien?
Only when they're being especially pretentious.
Posted by: Fox2! at May 19, 2019 11:13 PM (MwFQu)
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Let me check this out. - Just to be sure.
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