Notre Dame Update: Firefighters Are Not Sure They Can Save the Cathedral; The Left Bell Tower Is Still Aflame; Fears Grow that the Ropes Holding the Massive Bells Will Fail and the Bells Will Smash Through the Remaining Wooden Supports

From LeFigaro's updates.

Via Fox, the "Great Bell," called "Emmanuel," is the most likely to come down.

I don't want to spread fear, but while stone might be mostly impervious to fire, it won't necessarily be impervious to a very heavy copper bell smashing down into its foundations at an awful speed.

Some Good News?



"Some good news: All the works of art have been saved. The treasures of the cathedral are intact, the crown of thorns, the saints sacrements."

I don't know what "saints sacrements" means in French but I would guess it means the holy relics of saints.

Or, maybe not: I heard earlier that there were a bunch of statues of saints which had been removed to a safe location earlier, owing to the hazards of a construction project. Maybe they just mean that.

I'm going to assume, though, that if they say they got out all the works of art, that includes the relics, almost always kept in reliquaries, which are themselves works of art.

Update: Commenters tell me the saints sacrements are the sanctified hosts, the wafers, given at communion. Ah.


The Crown of Thorns is, supposedly, the actual crown of thorns worn by Jesus at his Crucifixion.

Fears are growing that Notre Dame’s most precious treasure, a relic venerated as the Crown of Thorns worn by Jesus Christ, could have been badly damaged or destroyed in the fire.

The Crown of Thorns, considered Paris’s equivalent of the Crown Jewels, is stored at the end of a nave of the cathedral, not readily visible to visitors.

Said to have been worn by Christ before the crucifixion, it is presented to believers for veneration on the first Friday of each month and every Friday during Lent.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 04:23 PM




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1 Hunchbacks hardest hit.

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at April 15, 2019 04:24 PM (xptlg)

2 And some snark targeting Trump:


@SecCivileFrance 45 minutes ago

Hundreds of firemen of the Paris Fire Brigade are doing everything they can to bring the terrible NotreDame fire under control. All means are being used, except for water-bombing aircrafts which, if used, could lead to the collapse of the entire structure of the cathedral.

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 04:24 PM (cF8AT)

3 damn you judge claude frollo. now all of paris is burning because of you

Posted by: jon at April 15, 2019 04:24 PM (VTpXr)

4 Yeah, a few tons of bronze hitting weakened wood supports can't be anything good.

This is going to be one big rebuilding project.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pick Up a Copy of The Daily Panic at The Outrage Outlet! at April 15, 2019 04:25 PM (MIvvh)

5 Forgive me please. That remark was a bit too flippant.

This really is a terrible and sad event. I hope that they save some (several?) parts and rebuild.

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at April 15, 2019 04:25 PM (xptlg)

6 7+ years of lurking and this event is what causes my first comment.

Posted by: jon at April 15, 2019 04:25 PM (VTpXr)

7 Any planes missing?

Posted by: Burger Chef at April 15, 2019 04:25 PM (RuIsu)

8 This is why women should dress modestly. Wear yoga pants at Notre Dame cathedral....

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 15, 2019 04:26 PM (lD3vL)

9 Yeah, I hate to say it, but I think this building is a total write off.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:26 PM (GBteo)

10 fire can't burn rope

Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell at April 15, 2019 04:26 PM (PbpT7)

11 It's probably my Deutsch heritage showing, but this is how I like France: on fire.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 15, 2019 04:26 PM (gjgWX)

12 Sorry a modern fire department is not prepaired for this event.

Posted by: Picric at April 15, 2019 04:26 PM (nonGu)

13 Damn. Got to see Notre Dame 26 years ago and was looking forward to seeing it again with my daughter.


Hear a commentator earlier on the news talking about how this was a symbol of French price. As a Catholic watching Catholicism dying in Europe I thought the Notre Dame in flames dying its death was the proper symbol of where France is today.

Posted by: H Badger at April 15, 2019 04:27 PM (n/0Nw)

14

I don't want to spread fear, but while stone might be mostly impervious to fire,

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No it isnt.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 04:27 PM (8XRCm)

15 I am sorry but the intensity and fast movement of the flames and destruction can not be from an accident.

This was deliberately set.

By Quakers.

Posted by: Czech Chick at April 15, 2019 04:27 PM (wglOf)

16 Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 04:24 PM (cF8AT


I'm pretty certain a lot of questioners were asking about aerial fire-fighting,
not just Donald Trump.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pick Up a Copy of The Daily Panic at The Outrage Outlet! at April 15, 2019 04:27 PM (MIvvh)

17 Good lord I'm tired

French pride

Posted by: H Badger at April 15, 2019 04:27 PM (n/0Nw)

18 And some snark targeting Trump:


@SecCivileFrance 45 minutes ago

Hundreds of firemen of the Paris Fire Brigade are doing everything they can to bring the terrible NotreDame fire under control. All means are being used, except for water-bombing aircrafts which, if used, could lead to the collapse of the entire structure of the cathedral.
Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 04:24 PM (cF8AT)

haha, to be fair -- Trump kind of deserves it, no?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:27 PM (GBteo)

19 6 7+ years of lurking and this event is what causes my first comment.

Posted by: jon at April 15, 2019 04:25 PM (VTpXr)

Welcome! Sorry it took this to make you comment. Please continue to comment.

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 04:28 PM (cF8AT)

20 All means are being used, except for water-bombing aircrafts which, if used, could lead to the collapse of the entire structure of the cathedral.

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 04:24 PM (cF8AT)

Wooooooow. If I was a Frenchman reading that, as hundreds of firefighters let the greater part of the cathedral burn, I'd have real reason to want that smug cuck dead.

Posted by: trev006 at April 15, 2019 04:28 PM (6n54H)

21 I am sick of hearing those idiots criticize trump's suggestion of dumping water from the air.

I am also confounded by the lack of spray. Is the area so tight that the engines could not get near? Most cities have equipment that could put a platform above the roof, but I see nothing.

When I first saw this, my first thought was that I wonder if they can drive a truck right into the nave - if the doors are big enough.

But the french seem to be waiting for rain or something.

Old roofs are mostly tar, and that shit has to be fought aggressively.

Old vaults are trusses, and that shit is horrible for fires.

I guess the french are spending all their money on something else besides firefighting equipment.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at April 15, 2019 04:29 PM (LWu6U)

22 I really don't get why if they couldn't reach the initial fire they weren't watering down the connecting stuff, I guess they were worried it by be damaged, um about that...

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2019 04:29 PM (r+sAi)

23 I don't want to spread fear, but while stone might be mostly impervious to fire,

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No it isnt.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 04:27 PM (8XRCm)

Yeah, I don't know enough about science or fire or rocks to say anything definitive, but I'm pretty sure all stones have a temperature at which they begin to crack / crumble and get fucky.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:29 PM (GBteo)

24 I was curious about the fire extinguishers inside the building, but hadn't heard anything.

Obviously, they didn't have sprinkler system when it was built, but surely they put in something lately as part of a retrofit or upgrade?

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at April 15, 2019 04:29 PM (xptlg)

25 My wife is planning a school trip to Paris this summer. I went many years ago and saw the Cathedral, words cannot describe it.

Posted by: Picric at April 15, 2019 04:29 PM (nonGu)

26 Legal Insurrection comment says radical anti religionists and feminists have also vandalized churches, the second group because of the patriarchy, don't you know? Because burning churches and ushering in Islam would be great for ushering in equality/sarc

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 15, 2019 04:29 PM (FSPNP)

27 haha, to be fair -- Trump kind of deserves it, no?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:27 PM (GBteo)

For what? Wanting to save it? I thought the same thing.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at April 15, 2019 04:29 PM (vgwv+)

28 That's like a picture of hell. They might have to rebuild it from scratch.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 04:30 PM (RD7QR)

29 also, dumping water from a helicopter is probably not the dumbest idea ever, assuming a helo could get close enough to the fire without their shit getting all fucked up.

Airplane, yeah -- that'd be a lot of weight crashing down on the building from a much higher altitude at much faster forward speeds.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:30 PM (GBteo)

30
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:29 PM (GBteo)

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I repair fire damaged properties for a living.

That ... and .... I stay at HolidayInn Express whenever possible.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 04:30 PM (8XRCm)

31 Apparently "iconic" is the overused, little understood word of the day.

I'm also growing bored with the virtue signalers explaining how they "are in NO WAY "religious"" but they still thought the old building was sorta cool, because like it's old and shit.

Posted by: dagny at April 15, 2019 04:30 PM (nRWPy)

32 So, any shots of the immigrant districts? are they on their knees praying for the fire to end?

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at April 15, 2019 04:31 PM (LWu6U)

33 What is there left to save? Their reputation? The French, whether firefighters or politicians, have none to save.

Posted by: Decaf at April 15, 2019 04:31 PM (PUz4C)

34 Hey, they're using water now! What will those clever French think of next?

Posted by: t-bird at April 15, 2019 04:31 PM (Ibwur)

35 @18: "haha, to be fair -- Trump kind of deserves it, no?"

Maybe, but as someone said on Twitter, Trump isn't the only old person who watches too much cable news and now wonders why the fire response was so slow and insignificant.

*shrugs*

Posted by: Walter Freeman at April 15, 2019 04:31 PM (I/iGu)

36 For what? Wanting to save it? I thought the same thing.
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at April 15, 2019 04:29 PM (vgwv+)

Well, he's basically calling the French firemen out when they're in the middle of trying to fight a fire.

I can see how they'd take that the wrong way.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:31 PM (GBteo)

37 My first thoughts were "this was set". And my second thoughts were "this was set by terrorists".

And my third thoughts were "and guess what other terroristic religionists use the destruction of religious buildings because their religion requires that they stamp out any other religion and it's believers.

Who for hundreds of years has made a point of either destroying or converting churches into mosques.


Yes that's right. Of course we'll never know for sure.

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at April 15, 2019 04:31 PM (gxzx7)

38 23 I don't want to spread fear, but while stone might be mostly impervious to fire,

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No it isnt.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 04:27 PM (8XRCm)

Yeah, I don't know enough about science or fire or rocks to say anything definitive, but I'm pretty sure all stones have a temperature at which they begin to crack / crumble and get fucky.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:29 PM (GBteo)

Magma is liquid rock

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 04:32 PM (bcbK8)

39 Well, he's basically calling the French firemen out when they're in the middle of trying to fight a fire.

I can see how they'd take that the wrong way.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:31 PM (GBteo)

He suggested that 3 hours ago. From all appearances, they weren't in the middle of fighting shit.

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 04:32 PM (cF8AT)

40 All means are being used, except for water-bombing aircrafts which, if used, could lead to the collapse of the entire structure of the cathedral.

Yes, your method, let it burn, does that more efficiently.

Posted by: t-bird at April 15, 2019 04:32 PM (Ibwur)

41 On the news they said it took and hour for firefighters to show up !!!!

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at April 15, 2019 04:33 PM (LWu6U)

42 A truly irreplaceable loss.

I always wanted to see this cathedral, but we were waiting until my husband retires.

There simply are no words.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at April 15, 2019 04:33 PM (uDcBt)

43 .
Anything from Frankie Hollywood yet?

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 15, 2019 04:33 PM (MIKMs)

44 You had to know this would happen, what with the hunchback floating candles all over the basement as he sings to his captive. Predicatabable.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, no recent arrests at April 15, 2019 04:33 PM (LISuA)

45 Macron and the political class will do anything to get the attention off the yellow jackets, even burn down the Norte Dame.

It's not like any French are still practicing Catholics who need a church.

Hey, it was old, unsafe and surplus to requirements.

Posted by: Decaf at April 15, 2019 04:33 PM (PUz4C)

46 Who for hundreds of years has made a point of either destroying or converting churches into mosques.

Lutherans? The answer is always Lutherans.

Posted by: t-bird at April 15, 2019 04:33 PM (Ibwur)

47 All joking aside..it is terrible that the world is losing a piece of history. In some respects, for better or for worse, history is who we are...and while the world mourns Notre Dame, The palestinians are destroying even older history ever day on the Temple Mount and not a peep

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 15, 2019 04:33 PM (bim/x)

48 43 .
Anything from Frankie Hollywood yet?
Posted by: mustbequantum at April 15, 2019 04:33 PM (MIKMs)

Frankie says Relax

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 04:34 PM (bcbK8)

49 Noted Dame has the Crown of Thorns because the Crusaders stole it from the Orthodox when they looted Constantinople in the 4th Crusade (along with the Shroud of Turin and half the stuff in the vaults of the Vatican)

Posted by: Jack at April 15, 2019 04:34 PM (8viCO)

50 Well, he's basically calling the French firemen out when they're in the middle of trying to fight a fire.

I can see how they'd take that the wrong way.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:31 PM (GBteo)


Well, they can't fight wars without help, maybe they can't fight fires either. Also, they're europeans so...

Posted by: dagny at April 15, 2019 04:34 PM (nRWPy)

51 Hear a commentator earlier on the news talking about how this was a symbol of French price. As a Catholic watching Catholicism dying in Europe I thought the Notre Dame in flames dying its death was the proper symbol of where France is today.

Posted by: H Badger

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I visited a lot of churches in England a couple of years ago.

They are all empty.

Everyone - EVERYONE! - in England is too cool for church.

Posted by: RKae at April 15, 2019 04:34 PM (vP0jg)

52 My first thought was oil soaked rags, or torches used for tar removal or renovations.

But if it was anything else like terrorism, you can be sure it will never be reported.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at April 15, 2019 04:35 PM (LWu6U)

53
*crosses #1 off the list.

Ok.... scatter the stones now.

And salt. Achmed, did YOU remember to bring the salt??

Posted by: French Muslim Underclass at April 15, 2019 04:35 PM (8XRCm)

54

Yeah it was a good 90 minutes until water was flowing on the fire..... next to a river.... no river fighting craft I guess....

but most of the Dem prez nominees say America is not great.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2019 04:35 PM (r+sAi)

55 I repair fire damaged properties for a living.

That ... and .... I stay at HolidayInn Express whenever possible.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 04:30 PM (8XRCm)

But we can all agree that fire can't melt steel, right?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:35 PM (GBteo)

56 Hear a commentator earlier on the news talking about how this was a symbol of French price. As a Catholic watching Catholicism dying in Europe I thought the Notre Dame in flames dying its death was the proper symbol of where France is today.

Posted by: H Badger at April 15, 2019 04:27 PM (n/0Nw)

I agree. And I hate to say it, but the Cathedral as it was will not be rebuilt - the damage is too massive. The limestone will be breaking down now. Like the World Trade Center, something new can be built on the site - but what was there is gone forever.

And so if France.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2019 04:35 PM (Kpl3J)

57 Who for hundreds of years has made a point of either destroying or converting churches into mosques.


Yes that's right. Of course we'll never know for sure.

=================================

Some things will forever remain a mystery. Buddhist statues? Never heard of them.

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at April 15, 2019 04:35 PM (xptlg)

58 because the Crusaders stole it

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You mean saved it.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 04:35 PM (sX1BW)

59 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:29 PM (GBteo)

Tijuana called. They want their jackass back.

Posted by: Art Vandelay at April 15, 2019 04:35 PM (yACxx)

60 One of my daughters was lucky enough to attend a Latin mass at Notre Dame a few years back, while traveling with a friend and her family. I've always thought that was sort of the height of our family's not-so-great cultural reach.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, no recent arrests at April 15, 2019 04:36 PM (LISuA)

61 some people did some things

Posted by: vrf at April 15, 2019 04:36 PM (MwaUC)

62 Well, they can't fight wars without help, maybe they can't fight fires either. Also, they're europeans so...
Posted by: dagny at April 15, 2019 04:34 PM (nRWPy)

That is a good point.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:36 PM (GBteo)

63 see update -- they say all works of art and relics (?) have been saved.

Posted by: ace at April 15, 2019 04:36 PM (PbpT7)

64 49 Noted Dame has the Crown of Thorns because the Crusaders stole it from the Orthodox when they looted Constantinople in the 4th Crusade (along with the Shroud of Turin and half the stuff in the vaults of the Vatican)
Posted by: Jack at April 15, 2019 04:34 PM (8viCO)


Good thing since otherwise the Turks would have destroyed it eventually.

Posted by: dagny at April 15, 2019 04:36 PM (nRWPy)

65 Good news : the millions of dollars worth of art has been saved.

Bad news: we still need our parishioners to tithe / donate to help feed the poor.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 04:36 PM (rxtQa)

66 Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 15, 2019 04:26 PM (gjgWX)

I believe churches have been vandalized and burnt in Germany as well.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 15, 2019 04:36 PM (FSPNP)

67 He suggested that 3 hours ago. From all appearances, they weren't in the middle of fighting shit.

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 04:32 PM (cF8AT)

The President probably surmised that Macron was just going to let it burn to the ground. Now the French elites have only a burned out hulk and snark to offer in return.

Honestly, if "professionals" aren't going to risk their lives to save one of France's greatest treasures, what the fuck good are they? It would almost, but not quite, be better if Macron blamed the terorrists. The notion that French authorities would let the "accidental" fire consume France's national pride should be cause to bring back guillotines.

Posted by: trev006 at April 15, 2019 04:37 PM (6n54H)

68 I repair fire damaged properties for a living.

That ... and .... I stay at HolidayInn Express whenever possible.
Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 04:30 PM (8XRCm)

But we can all agree that fire can't melt steel, right?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:35 PM (GBteo)

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*rolleyes*

Ive a seen a couch fire in a basement get hot enough to twist a steel beam right out of its foundation pocket.

Posted by: French Muslim Underclass at April 15, 2019 04:37 PM (8XRCm)

69 Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2019 04:35 PM (Kpl3J)

They should strive to build as true to the original as they can... but with better fireproofing.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 15, 2019 04:37 PM (J+mig)

70
ugg sox.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 04:37 PM (8XRCm)

71 the Ropes Holding the Massive Bells Will Fail and the Bells Will Smash Through the Remaining Wooden Supports

It means we're that much closer to having as much beauty as the West!

Posted by: Palestine at April 15, 2019 04:37 PM (8ruUE)

72 *rolleyes*

Ive a seen a couch fire in a basement get hot enough to twist a steel beam right out of its foundation pocket.
Posted by: French Muslim Underclass at April 15, 2019 04:37 PM (8XRCm)

...if it wasn't obvious, I was being facetious.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:38 PM (GBteo)

73 At some point would it not be worth firing a shell into the building with hopes of blowing the fire apart/out?

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 15, 2019 04:38 PM (Xqo6t)

74 Someone on Twitchy just won Twitter:

"Just some fire burning some things."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 04:38 PM (ptqGC)

75 They should strive to build as true to the original as they can... but with better fireproofing.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 15, 2019 04:37 PM (J+mig)

asbestos for the win.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:38 PM (GBteo)

76 ...if it wasn't obvious, I was being facetious.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:38 PM (GBteo)

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I know.

rolleyes was for the fat lesbian.... not you...

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 04:38 PM (8XRCm)

77 Is it a conspiracy to think it odd that "all" of the works of art and relics were removed just before the fire?

Like maybe they needed a big event to blame on the yellow vests

Or the building was so structurally unsound it couldn't be renovated so....accidental fire?

Really. What caught on fire that generated enough heat to ignite the massive wooden beams of the inside was cleared out?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 15, 2019 04:38 PM (dNzKv)

78 I heard someone say, "I'm watching a metaphor for Western Civilization on the news."

Posted by: ace at April 15, 2019 04:39 PM (PbpT7)

79 I believe churches have been vandalized and burnt in Germany as well.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

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From Gatestone:

European Churches torched and defecated on every day.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/14044/europe-churches-vandalized

Posted by: RKae at April 15, 2019 04:39 PM (vP0jg)

80 Honestly, if "professionals" aren't going to risk their lives to save one of France's greatest treasures, what the fuck good are they?

It was dinnertime!

Posted by: Les Bombardiers at April 15, 2019 04:39 PM (8ruUE)

81 Aaaand Muslims are celebrating all over the place. This news has even reached some of my friends overseas. They said the locals are all Aloha Snackbar. I told them to lend some AGM-114's and a few JDAM's to the party.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2019 04:39 PM (VpIIl)

82 Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 04:36 PM (rxtQa)


Time for an auction?

Posted by: Yuuuuup! at April 15, 2019 04:39 PM (MAstk)

83 Donald Blumpf and Putin colluded to set this fire and then he has the gall to criticize the response?

Posted by: IN PEACH DONALD BLUMPF at April 15, 2019 04:39 PM (XHWUx)

84 From Emmanuel Macron via Twitter:

"Notre Dame in flames. The
whole nation in shock. Thoughts for all Catholics and all Frenchmen.
Like all our fellow countrymen, I am sad tonight to see this part of us
burn."

And that's about the best he could do.

Posted by: Anonymous 7 at April 15, 2019 04:39 PM (DwzBO)

85 Well if ALL works of art have been saved, it's pretty easy to guess what the firefighters were doing....

Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2019 04:40 PM (NFEMn)

86 The Crown of Thorns is, supposedly, the actual crown of thorns worn by Jesus at his Crucifixion.


.................

That can't be.. I bought the real one for $100 bucks at the shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe.. A priest in a cassock sold it to me, so it's got to be legit..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 15, 2019 04:40 PM (so+oy)

87 The Wages of Dope Frankie.

Posted by: Hikaru at April 15, 2019 04:40 PM (UnA8+)

88 The bell is not big enough to destroy the foundation, but the heat and the lack of stabilizing force from the vault might me.

These cathedrals are not wall and roofs, but they are big trusses with forces balanced out. If some elements are removed the rest can shift or fall.

And heat is very bad if it gets hot enough. the only thing worse than heat is to rapidly cool with water, so fire can do a lot of damage.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at April 15, 2019 04:40 PM (LWu6U)

89 People are eating each other inside the cathedral!!

Posted by: Shep Smith at April 15, 2019 04:40 PM (0Ntuf)

90 Some empty old building burning in Paris, I hear.

Posted by: Ilhan Omar at April 15, 2019 04:40 PM (8ruUE)

91 Or the building was so structurally unsound it couldn't be renovated so....accidental fire?

Really. What caught on fire that generated enough heat to ignite the massive wooden beams of the inside was cleared out?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 15, 2019 04:38 PM (dNzKv)

I dont know, man...

wood that old? You could probably hold a lit cigarette to it and it would light on fire.

We get a lot of barn fires in new england where barns from the 1700s burn down super quickly from what would be a small, easily extinguished fire in a building with new lumber.

Dried out old lumber goes up pretty quickly.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:40 PM (GBteo)

92 Horrible, horrible, thank you, God, for letting me ring Emmanuel twice.

Read an article from a firefighter on why it's impossible to contain this blaze--12x12 800-year-old wooden beams can burn like hell. The huge open space of Notre Dame means no lack of oxygen to feed the fire. The immense size and height of the building, and that it seems to have started at the roof, means it's very difficult to get the water from hoses to soak the roof. Still fighting off tears.

Posted by: Lily at April 15, 2019 04:40 PM (7w41C)

93 85 From Emmanuel Macron via Twitter: "Notre Dame in flames. The whole nation in shock. Thoughts for all Catholics and all Frenchmen. Like all our fellow countrymen, I am sad tonight to see this part of us
burn."

And that's about the best he could do.
Posted by: Anonymous 7 at April 15, 2019 04:39 PM (DwzBO)

Late for an orgy.

Posted by: Caliban at April 15, 2019 04:40 PM (qEujL)

94 From 4chan/pol, via a Finnish website:
Mika Laakkonen, a university professor opposite Notre Dame, has followed
the fire of the historic cathedral from the headquarters. Laakkonen
from Oulu says she was on the couch when there were two bangs. I got up and went to see. The big tower in the middle of Notre Dame came on fire, he says.

Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 04:40 PM (Z3zSO)

95 They should strive to build as true to the original as they can... but with better fireproofing.

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Stood (still standing) for over 700 years. That's pretty good.

Modern fireproofing and firestopping does impede overall structure, design, and beauty. For the better? Maybe, maybe not.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 04:40 PM (sX1BW)

96 Aaaand Muslims are celebrating all over the place.<<<<<<<<
Notre Dame should be rebuilt with their bones.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2019 04:41 PM (r+sAi)

97
I believe churches have been vandalized and burnt in Germany as well.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke


The last time we were in Germany, there was pro-Nazi graffiti spray painted on churches.

Last time we were in Italy, Pisa, to be exact, there was Arab graffiti spray painted on several churches.


Europe is lost.




Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 04:41 PM (ptqGC)

98 Ha Ha Ha! So tell me, whose gonna save all those "rescued" relics from the moose limbs now taking over Western Europe?

Posted by: Jack at April 15, 2019 04:41 PM (8viCO)

99 Macron is an insipid little donkey, a fool.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, no recent arrests at April 15, 2019 04:41 PM (LISuA)

100 Grating that, whoever started the fire, millions of enemies of Western civilization are beside themselves with joy over it.

Posted by: tubal at April 15, 2019 04:41 PM (90T4r)

101 I'm thinking Notre Dame was built using old Christmas trees.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 04:41 PM (rxtQa)

102 78 Is it a conspiracy to think it odd that "all" of the works of art and relics were removed just before the fire?

==

I'm guessing they were removed because of the renovations

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 15, 2019 04:41 PM (dm05u)

103 I'm pretty sure all stones have a temperature at which they begin to crack / crumble and get fucky.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:29 PM (GBteo)

And the mortar used begins to change under that much heat....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 15, 2019 04:41 PM (wYseH)

104 Very sad.


I am surprised that a fire can even take hold in a building like that - but that just shows how little I understand about how it was built. Figured it's 90% stone, so puzzled that a major fire can grow and sustain itself.


Posted by: rhomboid at April 15, 2019 04:41 PM (QDnY+)

105 Posted by: Robbie at April 15, 2019 04:37 PM (QTTaq)

Would someone please get rid of this asshole?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 04:41 PM (x3tTl)

106 I'm not saying it was Quasimodo... but it was Quasimodo.

Posted by: Ancient Hunchback Theorists at April 15, 2019 04:42 PM (v0R5T)

107 82 Aaaand Muslims are celebrating all over the place. This news has even reached some of my friends overseas. They said the locals are all Aloha Snackbar. I told them to lend some AGM-114's and a few JDAM's to the party.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2019 04:39 PM (VpIIl)

They really do think of it as revenge for Christchurch, don't they? The war is internationalized.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 04:42 PM (RD7QR)

108 I smell Banana Boy.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 04:42 PM (ptqGC)

109 I am surprised that a fire can even take hold in a building like that - but that just shows how little I understand about how it was built. Figured it's 90% stone, so puzzled that a major fire can grow and sustain itself.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 15, 2019 04:41 PM (QDnY+)


The walls are stone. The ceiling/ roof are wood.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 04:42 PM (x3tTl)

110 90 People are eating each other inside the cathedral!!
Posted by: Shep Smith at April 15, 2019 04:40 PM (0Ntuf)

That's correct, and I understand they're calling it "ghoulosh."

Posted by: Jim Acosta at April 15, 2019 04:42 PM (qEujL)

111 I don't think Notre Dame is quite as old as Macron's wife.

Posted by: Mark1971 at April 15, 2019 04:42 PM (xPl2J)

112 From Emmanuel Macron via Twitter:

"Notre Dame in flames. The
whole nation in shock. Thoughts for all Catholics and all Frenchmen.
Like all our fellow countrymen, I am sad tonight to see this part of us
burn."

And that's about the best he could do.
Posted by: Anonymous 7

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I hate the word "thoughts" instead of "prayers."

And I hate it made equal: "thoughts and prayers."

I had thoughts for some girls in high school. It did nothing.

(What I wanted, I couldn't pray for.)

Posted by: RKae at April 15, 2019 04:42 PM (vP0jg)

113 ...if it wasn't obvious, I was being facetious.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes


It wasn't in the slightest.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 15, 2019 04:42 PM (uAgHA)

114 24 I was curious about the fire extinguishers inside the building, but hadn't heard anything.

Obviously, they didn't have sprinkler system when it was built, but surely they put in something lately as part of a retrofit or upgrade?

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at April 15, 2019 04:29 PM (xptlg)

NONE of the great old European buildings have done that. It costs a lot of money, and nobody wants to pay for it. Also, having toured some grand old buildings - the usual manner of construction is that there's a sub ceiling, what those in side the building see, then a large chamber, then the roof (and maybe a couple more layers than that)

When a devastating fire gets going, it's usually inside this enclosed space, much like an attic in a house. This allows it to spread through the length and breadth of the building before breaking out - and you can't put water on it from above, and you can't put water on it from below, without knocking out big chunks of the building.

On a large building like this, the Inconvenient Truth is that without a fire suppression and abatement system pre-installed before a major fire starts. the Building will be lost no matter how good or fast the fire fighting effort is. The fire fighters are simply unable to access the core of the fire, until it is far too late.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2019 04:43 PM (Kpl3J)

115 >>I'm pretty certain a lot of questioners were asking about aerial fire-fighting,
not just Donald Trump.

Including French authorities. I heard a report that they considered it but decided not to go that route.

Not sure it much matters any more.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 15, 2019 04:43 PM (/tuJf)

116 I feel like I'm being hit over the head with the world's biggest metaphor.

Posted by: AndrewR at April 15, 2019 04:43 PM (Cn4r1)

117 106 Posted by: Robbie at April 15, 2019 04:37 PM (QTTaq)

Would someone please get rid of this asshole?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 04:41 PM (x3tTl)

It's BSG. At this point his trolling is just a manifestation of mental illness.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 04:43 PM (RD7QR)

118 That can't be.. I bought the real one for $100 bucks at the shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe.. A priest in a cassock sold it to me, so it's got to be legit..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 15, 2019 04:40 PM

*****

I know that guy!
Got a great deal on a Frolex watch!

Posted by: Diogenes at April 15, 2019 04:43 PM (0tfLf)

119 36 For what? Wanting to save it? I thought the same thing.
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at April 15, 2019 04:29 PM (vgwv+)

Well, he's basically calling the French firemen out when they're in the middle of trying to fight a fire.

I can see how they'd take that the wrong way.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:31 PM (GBteo)

------------------

Being critical of French battle plans is like being critical of thunderstorms causing rain.

So in that we agree, Trump should waste his energy no more on such people. They will have new masters soon enough.

Posted by: William Eaton at April 15, 2019 04:43 PM (MuTTO)

120 And that's about the best he could do.
Posted by: Anonymous 7

I have a feeling Macron is not a religious person.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 15, 2019 04:43 PM (FSPNP)

121 I'm guessing they were removed because of the renovations
Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 15, 2019 04:41 PM (dm05u)

Or employees yanked them out when they first noticed a fire in the building.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:43 PM (GBteo)

122 49 Noted Dame has the Crown of Thorns because the Crusaders stole it from the Orthodox when they looted Constantinople in the 4th Crusade (along with the Shroud of Turin and half the stuff in the vaults of the Vatican)

Correct. St. Marks in Venice has a number of precious Orthodox icons and relics as well.

Posted by: Nunya bizness at April 15, 2019 04:44 PM (gwiGN)

123 Welp, I can't wait to be lectured by our Betters in the MSM about how we'd better not DARE think anything other than a simple construction accident. Five minutes after the church closed to visitors. During Holy Week. In a city overrun with Muslims.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 04:44 PM (ptqGC)

124 90
People are eating each other inside the cathedral!!



Posted by: Shep Smith at April 15, 2019 04:40 PM (0Ntuf)

Well done.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2019 04:44 PM (t6MX/)

125 The French can't even put out a burning church now. What a sad loss of cultural resolve.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 15, 2019 04:44 PM (oVJmc)

126 I have a plan. First, we'll need Superman or Hercules. I'm still working out the details.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 15, 2019 04:44 PM (gC2IV)

127 >>Not sure it much matters any more.


As long as they saved the Holy Bong of Antioch, am i right?

Posted by: garrett at April 15, 2019 04:44 PM (dIb4M)

128 I might be in the minority here, but I'm having a hard time coping with the fact that a small roof fire can take out an icon of Western Civilization.

Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 04:44 PM (Z3zSO)

129 Relics would not have been left in place during a renovation, probably. Or works of art, either, if they were portable.

Don't think state arson is a conspiracy worth following.
Islamic arson is, though.

Posted by: Sal, not a one-syllable troll at April 15, 2019 04:44 PM (wR64M)

130 The 'sacrement' is the Blessed Sacrament--the body of Christ in the form of bread--usually kept in a locked tabernacle on the altar (but perhaps in other places, too, at this church.)
SOME recall that there have been several very recent instances of vandalism, small fires, etc.,. in French Catholic churches, including a fire at St Suplice of Paris. The organ at St Sulpice is a world treasure; played by Widor and Dupre and lots of other prominent organists.
Some people did something, eh?

Posted by: dad29 at April 15, 2019 04:44 PM (7Kti7)

131 Lurker, here. Devastated by this event. Thank G-d for the small mercies of saved art work, relics and Crown of Thorns. Notre Dame - pray for us!

Posted by: NAB at April 15, 2019 04:44 PM (oeNAW)

132 >>People are eating each other inside the cathedral!!



Posted by: Shep Smith at April 15, 2019 04:40 PM (0Ntuf)

>Well done.



Seared into my memory, your pith is.

Posted by: garrett at April 15, 2019 04:45 PM (dIb4M)

133 People are eating each other inside the cathedral!!



Posted by: Shep Smith at April 15, 2019 04:40 PM (0Ntuf)

Well done.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2019 04:44 PM (t6MX/)

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Dammit.

*throws mouse across the office

I mad that joke LAST thread. Did any of you morons even notice???

No.


*pouts.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 04:45 PM (8XRCm)

134 Moron Robbie>>>>Robbie

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 15, 2019 04:45 PM (dNzKv)

135 And the mortar used begins to change under that much heat....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 15, 2019 04:41 PM (wYseH)


Which, of course, is how you make mortar in the first place: dehydrate the constituents at high heat.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 04:45 PM (x3tTl)

136 Never know when something breathtaking may be destroyed, so I recommend taking a look at Malta's St. John's cathedral. Hidden gem. They have some incredible 360 photos from the interior that are amazing (only one available for free), and those are enough to stun everyone I've shown. Actually being there is indescribable. http://tinyurl.com/y42ws7rd

Posted by: Grimaldi at April 15, 2019 04:45 PM (+rqF4)

137 all the immigrants have to leave. Sanctuary is gone.

Posted by: Quasimodo at April 15, 2019 04:45 PM (nFwvY)

138 128 I might be in the minority here, but I'm having a hard time coping with the fact that a small roof fire can take out an icon of Western Civilization.
Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 04:44 PM (Z3zSO)

#metoo

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 15, 2019 04:45 PM (dm05u)

139
...except for water-bombing aircrafts which, if used, could lead to the collapse of the entire structure of the cathedral.

Guess what, French Assholes.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2019 04:45 PM (Po8Ix)

140 98I believe churches have been vandalized and burnt in Germany as well.


Posted by: FenelonSpoke

The last time we were in Germany, there was pro-Nazi graffiti spray painted on churches.

Last time we were in Italy, Pisa, to be exact, there was Arab graffiti spray painted on several churches.


Europe is lost.







Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 04:41 PM (ptqGC)

And we are not far behind.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 15, 2019 04:46 PM (jxbfJ)

141 128 I might be in the minority here, but I'm having a hard time coping with the fact that a small roof fire can take out an icon of Western Civilization.
Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 04:44 PM (Z3zSO)


You call THAT a small fire??

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 04:46 PM (x3tTl)

142 As it has been said, the fire is an apt metaphor for the state of Europe, and if matters do not undergo a rapid reversal, the fate of our country.

Posted by: tubal at April 15, 2019 04:46 PM (90T4r)

143 Ace's French language studies coming in very handy today. Bénisse les pompiers.

Posted by: gp at April 15, 2019 04:46 PM (mk9aG)

144 This is going to need a claim of responsibility or good video and witness accounts to put it on the Lutherans.

This isn't going to be one of those fires where the investigators can point to the hot spot and say "oh, here's where it was set".

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 15, 2019 04:46 PM (fuK7c)

145 The walls are stone. The ceiling/ roof are wood.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 04:42 PM (x3tTl)

Very ancient, very dry wood at that.

I think this is going to turn out to be very similar to the burning of Parliament and old Westminster Hall in 1830. Similar type of fire, similar results. Of course that one ended being the cause of the construction of the current Parliament building, with Big Ben.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2019 04:46 PM (Kpl3J)

146 90 People are eating each other inside the cathedral!!



Posted by: Shep Smith

LOL

Posted by: ace at April 15, 2019 04:46 PM (PbpT7)

147 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at April 15, 2019 04:46 PM (IXZGh)

148 Hillary had her email server hidden in the basement of the cathedral for safekeeping.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 15, 2019 04:46 PM (dNzKv)

149 Shoulda made it from steel. Everyone knows fire won't melt steel.

Posted by: 9/11 deniers at April 15, 2019 04:46 PM (z97e7)

150
All fires start small.

If they started BIG theyd be explosions.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 04:46 PM (8XRCm)

151 It sounds trite, but we tell the Muj overseas the difference is in 200 years. we'll still be her thriving. The best we can do is rebuild Notre Dame to show these people their celebrations are ephemeral. I'm already prepared to contribute. In the end, we may have our disagreements with the French or the church but we are brothers as men and in Christ.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2019 04:47 PM (VpIIl)

152 >>As long as they saved the Holy Bong of Antioch, am i right?

Very nice. First I get punished for your sins and now you pile on.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 15, 2019 04:47 PM (/tuJf)

153 Saints sacraments may refer to the Host.

Posted by: Total Control Racist at April 15, 2019 04:47 PM (O5f1Y)

154
... except for water-bombing aircrafts which, if used, could lead to the collapse of the entire structure of the cathedral.

What a stupid fucking thing to say WHILE most of the Cathedral is engulfed in a massive inferno.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2019 04:47 PM (Po8Ix)

155 Fears Grow that the Ropes Holding the Massive Bells Will Fail and the Bells Will Smash Through the Remaining Wooden Supports

I've never seen a church bell hung from a rope. Ropes used to ring them, but typically there is a very heavy (wooden) frame that they are supported on.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at April 15, 2019 04:47 PM (kUmUV)

156 This isn't going to be one of those fires where the investigators can point to the hot spot and say "oh, here's where it was set".

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 15, 2019 04:46 PM (fuK7c)


I think every weather satellite in orbit is going to be able to point to the "hot spot".

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2019 04:47 PM (Kpl3J)

157 People are eating each other inside the cathedral!!



Posted by: Shep Smith

LOL
Posted by: ace at April 15, 2019 04:46 PM (PbpT7)

----


sighs

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 04:47 PM (8XRCm)

158 125 The French can't even put out a burning church now. What a sad loss of cultural resolve.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 15, 2019 04:44 PM (oVJmc)


It's the mandatory union breaks.

Posted by: Ha at April 15, 2019 04:47 PM (MAstk)

159 As I have said before, I desperately hope this was not terrorism. If it was, it was probably Islamic terror. If this was terrorism, many countries - ours included - would probably consider it a casus belli. I certainly would, personally. I am not French and I don't really know how they think, but the usual suspect terror groups should be very cautious if they claim credit for it.

Even if this was an accident, anyone claiming credit for it is telling you they were willing if unable. That might be a reason to go to war on it's own, even if they're found to be lying.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2019 04:48 PM (I2dne)

160 Whenever Fox needs drama, Shep! is their go-to mincing ponce.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 04:48 PM (ptqGC)

161 Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 04:44 PM (ptqGC)

Local radio already had a a clip of Shep Smith lecturing some Frenchman in France who talked about vandalization of church with Shep talking about "we're not going to go there-not on my watch"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 15, 2019 04:48 PM (FSPNP)

162 You call THAT a small fire??
--

welll, when I looked at the original fire hours ago, all I could really see was smoke, and no flame. It seem containable in relation to the actual size of the building.


so yes, small, very early on.

Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 04:48 PM (Z3zSO)

163 87 The Crown of Thorns is, supposedly, the actual crown of thorns worn by Jesus at his Crucifixion.


.................

That can't be.. I bought the real one for $100 bucks at the shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe.. A priest in a cassock sold it to me, so it's got to be legit..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 15, 2019 04:40 PM


********************************



Edmund Blackadder had a similar conundrum when appointed Archbishop of Canterbury.

https://youtu.be/PyF7YmHYhYc


Posted by: Rudi Von Starnberg at April 15, 2019 04:48 PM (OFzX4)

164 >> Very ancient, very dry wood at that.

covered in 800 years of tar

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at April 15, 2019 04:48 PM (LWu6U)

165 This isn't going to be one of those fires where the investigators can point to the hot spot and say "oh, here's where it was set".
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 15, 2019 04:46 PM (fuK7c)

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Yeah.... no discernable V pattern burns here....

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 04:48 PM (8XRCm)

166 6 7+ years of lurking and this event is what causes my first comment.
Posted by: jon at April 15, 2019 04:25 PM (VTpXr)

Welcome, jon!

Posted by: m at April 15, 2019 04:48 PM (C7rlo)

167 You call THAT a small fire??
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 04:46 PM (x3tTl)

The ignition fire is what I believe she is referring.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 04:48 PM (rxtQa)

168
sighs

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 04:47 PM (8XRCm)

lol

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2019 04:48 PM (t6MX/)

169 14. And when there is a fire in the cathedral, be sure to get out all the great artwork.

--Hezekiah 13:9

Posted by: Caliban at April 15, 2019 04:48 PM (qEujL)

170 I feel like I have been personally assaulted.

I'm a Catholic. I went to Catholic school, and I busted me ass to put my boys through as well. I go to Mass. I tithe. I pray. I am proud of my Catholic heritage.

And I am being attacked.

Personally. I am now paranoid during Mass. I watch the doors. I am suspicious of persons I do not recognize in the pews around me. I am thinking about asking my pastor about how he would defend us if we were attacked, or, if not him, who would protect us.

I feel like I am being targeted. For my Faith.

And now I'm getting pissed.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 15, 2019 04:48 PM (d7Ww2)

171
Imagine being the piece of shit who did this. He should kill himself.


Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2019 04:48 PM (Po8Ix)

172 A pity nobody took or painted any pictures of the place before it burned.

Too soon for a lame joke?

Posted by: gp Put Down Roots In A Sh!thole at April 15, 2019 04:48 PM (mk9aG)

173 Trump tweeted out right away and threw out a suggestion as he noticed NOTHING WAS BEING DONE.

Screw you, media fucktards. You should be IN that fire reporting on it.

Posted by: Sponge at April 15, 2019 04:49 PM (IXZGh)

174 90 People are eating each other inside the cathedral!!

Posted by: Shep Smith


And they're looting the Food King!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 04:49 PM (x3tTl)

175 This is just devastating.

Posted by: kallisto at April 15, 2019 04:49 PM (OxYQ1)

176 Maybe Russias should loot the Vatican and take the goodies to Moscow, you know, to save them from the freaks, homos, and kiddie diddlers.

Posted by: Jack at April 15, 2019 04:49 PM (8viCO)

177 This isn't going to be one of those fires where the investigators can point to the hot spot and say "oh, here's where it was set".
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 15, 2019 04:46 PM (fuK7c)

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Even in modern buildings the arson investigators are pretty terrible at figuring it out. They make it sound all "science-y" but a lot of it is guesswork. Usually errors arise when an investigator is too eager to attribute it to arson - in this case I would guess the opposite would be the problem.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2019 04:49 PM (AzW6q)

178 Since Ace asked: saints sacrements means "the holy sacraments," that is, sacramental bread and wine for consecration during Holy Communion; the term could also include the chalices and other sacred vessels used to contain the bread and wine during Mass.

Posted by: Basement Cat at April 15, 2019 04:49 PM (pPNCa)

179
86 That can't be.. I bought the real one for $100 bucks at the shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe.. A priest in a cassock sold it to me, so it's got to be legit..

did he also expect you to find the pope in a pizza?

Posted by: Anachronda at April 15, 2019 04:49 PM (sGtp+)

180 Trump should ask that all the important art and historical artifacts in French museums be sent to the U.S., or another safe western country, for safe keeping.

So that future generations of civilized humans might have a chance to enjoy them.

Posted by: William Eaton at April 15, 2019 04:50 PM (MuTTO)

181 And people want to know why I concealed carry at church nowadays...

Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2019 04:50 PM (VpIIl)

182 Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 04:44 PM (ptqGC)

Local radio already had a a clip of Shep Smith lecturing some
Frenchman in France who talked about vandalization of church with Shep
talking about "we're not going to go there-not on my watch"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 15, 2019 04:48 PM (FSPNP)


It was a French official. I heard him live, and I had to go outside and plant some flowers to calm down. Makes me wonder what value, at all, Fox thinks Shep adds to their bottom line?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 04:50 PM (ptqGC)

183 50 Well, they can't fight wars without help, maybe they can't fight fires either. Also, they're europeans so...

speaking of which, i once saw Rap Ennui open for Big Rock Men. quite a show.

Posted by: Anachronda at April 15, 2019 04:50 PM (sGtp+)

184 But really, isn't this the story of Pope Francis?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 15, 2019 04:50 PM (oVJmc)

185 I've never seen a church bell hung from a rope. Ropes used to ring them, but typically there is a very heavy (wooden) frame that they are supported on.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at April 15, 2019 04:47 PM (kUmUV)

they are worried that copper bells will melt from the heat thus weakening the wooden frames that hold them and BOOM

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 15, 2019 04:51 PM (bim/x)

186 Has anyone seen Mrs. O'Leary's cow recently?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 15, 2019 04:51 PM (sy5kK)

187 If you want to see experts have opposite opinions, handle a fire litigation claim.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 04:51 PM (rxtQa)

188 138 128 I might be in the minority here, but I'm having a hard time coping with the fact that a small roof fire can take out an icon of Western Civilization.
Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 04:44 PM (Z3zSO)

It happens when people get sloppy.

Original St Paul's Cathedral, 1666
Original Parliament Building , 1830
and a host of other, maybe not quite so magnificent stuff along the way. With modern buildings we've forgotten how vulnerable they are to fire. And this was not a modern building.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2019 04:51 PM (Kpl3J)

189
My guess is some lazy idiot laborer or iron worker was doing "Hot Work" inside the building lost control of his flames/sparks.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2019 04:51 PM (Po8Ix)

190 It almost seems like they could not conceive of a fire.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at April 15, 2019 04:51 PM (LWu6U)

191 183 50 Well, they can't fight wars without help, maybe they can't fight fires either. Also, they're europeans so...

speaking of which, i once saw Rap Ennui open for Big Rock Men. quite a show.
Posted by: Anachronda at April 15, 2019 04:50 PM (sGtp+)

I was Meh on Rap Ennui

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous: buy ammo at April 15, 2019 04:51 PM (bcbK8)

192 [People are eating each other inside the cathedral!!

Posted by: Shep Smith


At least they're cooked......

Posted by: Sponge at April 15, 2019 04:51 PM (IXZGh)

193 Also, it can't be a good sign that this Icon of Christianity is burning down during Holy Week.

Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 04:51 PM (Z3zSO)

194 170 I feel like I have been personally assaulted.

I'm a Catholic. I went to Catholic school, and I busted me ass to put my boys through as well. I go to Mass. I tithe. I pray. I am proud of my Catholic heritage.

And I am being attacked.

Personally. I am now paranoid during Mass. I watch the doors. I am suspicious of persons I do not recognize in the pews around me. I am thinking about asking my pastor about how he would defend us if we were attacked, or, if not him, who would protect us.

I feel like I am being targeted. For my Faith.

And now I'm getting pissed.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 15, 2019 04:48 PM (d7Ww2)

You mean Judeo-Catholic or are you anti-Semitic?

Posted by: Ben Shapiro at April 15, 2019 04:52 PM (YmfOS)

195 However the fire started, I think the apparent incompetence of the authorities in fighting the fire, or even having a plan in the first place, will not soon be forgotten. Governments have toppled for less.

The yellow vest protests could very well be kicked up a notch, or several notches.

Posted by: rickl at April 15, 2019 04:52 PM (xjiRE)

196 184
> "But really, isn't this the story of Pope Francis?"

Good point.

Posted by: Anonymous 7 at April 15, 2019 04:52 PM (DwzBO)

197 the bells are only supported by rope? no steel cables for safety? that would seem odd.


not the same, but I got to wind the clock in an old steeple in Milwaukee by my sister's house. On the way up we stepped into the new roof, which was some of the first steel work up there, I was told. New roof right over the old roof, to preserve the interior look I think. (because fire can't melt steel ... heh. at least it doesn't burn)

Posted by: illiniwek at April 15, 2019 04:52 PM (Cus5s)

198 170. I'm sure any number of guys at my church are packing. K of C types, and also LE, active and retired.

Posted by: kallisto at April 15, 2019 04:52 PM (OxYQ1)

199 Honestly, I think Trump should have refrained from offering advice on fighting the fire. I believe it was well intentioned, but this is why I hate extemporaneous social media platforms. Every brainfart gets typed out in 64 characters.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2019 04:52 PM (VpIIl)

200 Even in modern buildings the arson investigators are pretty terrible at figuring it out.

------

Ive seen them reconstruct and entire room down to the position of the extension cords that got pinched under the couch before. All reassembled from the debris the fire fighters threw out the window.

Im usually pretty impressed.


Most fires are not arson.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 04:52 PM (8XRCm)

201 193 Also, it can't be a good sign that this Icon of Christianity is burning down during Holy Week.
Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 04:51 PM (Z3zSO)

Depends on the POV.

Posted by: Ben Shapiro at April 15, 2019 04:52 PM (YmfOS)

202 Makes me wonder what value, at all, Fox thinks Shep adds to their bottom line?
--------

Every cable news channel needs a big time gay anchor. Anderson Cooper, Chuck Todd....

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at April 15, 2019 04:53 PM (SkuXa)

203 "but what was there is gone forever.

And so if France.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2019 04:35 PM (Kpl3J)"

--------------

France and Europe went first, we are now watching the disappearance of their traces.

Posted by: Decaf at April 15, 2019 04:53 PM (PUz4C)

204 Also, it can't be a good sign that this Icon of Christianity is burning down during Holy Week.

Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage!


This does strike me as a particularly evil omen.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 15, 2019 04:53 PM (AM1GF)

205
And people want to know why I concealed carry at church nowadays...


Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2019 04:50 PM (VpIIl)


Our gun-hating pastor attended a class for local clergy on active shooter scenarios in churches. He has since asked our son (who always carries) to sit near one of the entrances on Sunday mornings. But our son isn't the only one who carries. Our pastor would be shocked by some of the "harmless looking" women who carry in their purses.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 04:53 PM (ptqGC)

206 6
7+ years of lurking and this event is what causes my first comment.

Posted by: jon at April 15, 2019 04:25 PM (VTpXr)


jon, please don't wait that long for your next comment.

step up to the keyboard!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 15, 2019 04:53 PM (sy5kK)

207
174 90 People are eating each other inside the cathedral!!

Posted by: Shep Smith

And they're looting the Food King Royale!


fixt, because french

Posted by: Anachronda at April 15, 2019 04:53 PM (sGtp+)

208 > lost control of his flames/sparks

Can you imagine the guilt? Good lord.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at April 15, 2019 04:53 PM (sGnvY)

209 Ya know, the Russians did this.
You know I am right

Posted by: The FAB at April 15, 2019 04:53 PM (bim/x)

210 Anybody know the % of French who are practicing Catholics, or any denomination?

Posted by: tubal at April 15, 2019 04:53 PM (90T4r)

211 And now I'm getting pissed.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 15, 2019 04:48 PM (d7Ww2)

---

Same history. Same feeling. And during Mass if one of the doors opens you can bet I'm checking it out.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 15, 2019 04:53 PM (jUVms)

212 170
I feel like I have been personally assaulted.



I'm a Catholic. I went to Catholic school, and I busted me ass to
put my boys through as well. I go to Mass. I tithe. I pray. I am
proud of my Catholic heritage.



And I am being attacked.



Personally. I am now paranoid during Mass. I watch the doors. I
am suspicious of persons I do not recognize in the pews around me. I am
thinking about asking my pastor about how he would defend us if we were
attacked, or, if not him, who would protect us.



I feel like I am being targeted. For my Faith.



And now I'm getting pissed.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 15, 2019 04:48 PM (d7Ww2)
Nurse Ratched -- I do the same thing. I was lectoring this past weekend and I always check the doors when I hear them open. I'm trying to get our pastor and others to start thinking about security but all I get is blank stares and even some condescension because that isn't welcoming.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 15, 2019 04:54 PM (jxbfJ)

213 Personally. I am now paranoid during Mass. I watch the doors. I am suspicious of persons I do not recognize in the pews around me. I am thinking about asking my pastor about how he would defend us if we were attacked, or, if not him, who would protect us.

I feel like I am being targeted. For my Faith.

And now I'm getting pissed.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 15, 2019 04:48 PM (d7Ww2)
++++++++++++
Sanctuaries are a really hard problem, security-wise. There is little you can do from inside since it is basically always a surprise attack. Almost everyone sits with their back to the door. It is unfortunate that we're approaching the point of "post an armed guard outside the sanctuary doors while everyone is distracted facing the altar to look for suspicious behavior," but we may be there. Some areas are there.

My synagogue does this on the High Holy Days, and has for years - and we're in a very calm, very normal, not at all anti-semitic part of the country.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2019 04:54 PM (I2dne)

214 7+ years of lurking and this event is what causes my first comment.

Posted by: jon at April 15, 2019 04:25 PM (VTpXr)


jon, please don't wait that long for your next comment.

step up to the keyboard!

-----------

Snark ain't going to write itself.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 04:54 PM (sX1BW)

215 Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 15, 2019 04:54 PM (bim/x)

216 On France 24 a hour ago a guest said that relics were saved but I am not so sure because for that to happen early in this disaster like the beginning someone had to make that decision to pull everything out of the building.

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 04:54 PM (BbGew)

217 Original St Paul's Cathedral, 1666
Original Parliament Building , 1830


Original White House, 1814 (although you could say that some boys in red under the leadership of MG Robert Ross did something)

Posted by: Basement Cat at April 15, 2019 04:54 PM (pPNCa)

218 >>This isn't going to be one of those fires where the investigators can point to the hot spot and say "oh, here's where it was set".


Someone must have climbed into the roof and saw where it started when it was tiny.

If it was a worker, others will know who was doing what and where. The investigation at this point will be interviews.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at April 15, 2019 04:54 PM (LWu6U)

219 6
7+ years of lurking and this event is what causes my first comment.



Posted by: jon at April 15, 2019 04:25 PM (VTpXr)


You don't happen to be a French fireman, do you?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2019 04:55 PM (t6MX/)

220 The yellow vest protests could very well be kicked up a notch, or several notches.
Posted by: rickl at April 15, 2019 04:52 PM (xjiRE)


Uhhh... my spider sense is that a "Yellow Vester" set the blaze. (I'm never right about these things, though).

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 15, 2019 04:55 PM (Xqo6t)

221 Every freaking American tourist in Paris is calling Fox to cry/brag about seeing the cathedral burning.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 04:55 PM (ptqGC)

222 If Marty Feldman wasn't dead I'm sure the FBI would have arrested him by now.

Posted by: Ancient Hunchback Theorists at April 15, 2019 04:55 PM (v0R5T)

223 "Mater, et venit ad locum summo mundi!"

That's the best I can do for...

"Made it, Ma! Top o' the world!"

Posted by: RKae at April 15, 2019 04:55 PM (vP0jg)

224 28 That's like a picture of hell.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 04:30 PM (RD7QR)

It really is.

Posted by: m at April 15, 2019 04:55 PM (C7rlo)

225 More tragedy!

Hollywood Box Office Suffering Worst Slump in Years...

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 04:55 PM (+y/Ru)

226 Jon was trying to hold out until RBG kicked the bucket

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 04:55 PM (BbGew)

227 If Marty Feldman wasn't dead I'm sure the FBI would have arrested him by now.
Posted by: Ancient Hunchback Theorists at April 15, 2019 04:55 PM (v0R5T)


Abby something......

Posted by: Sponge at April 15, 2019 04:56 PM (IXZGh)

228 In light of the news that art was saved, my working theory is since the fire started on the roof, the fire department held off with the water until the artwork below could be removed from ground level.

Just a theory.



Posted by: WisRich at April 15, 2019 04:56 PM (G0vdT)

229 When I first heard about the fire, my only thought was "did they get the Blessed Sacrament out?" Very thankful to hear they did.

Posted by: NAB at April 15, 2019 04:56 PM (oeNAW)

230 Nothing at all to do with Ines Madani's sentencing, I'm sure. She's probably screaming aloha snackbar as we speak

Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 04:56 PM (U7k5w)

231 193. A fitting metaphor for the state of the RCC in France, and of course a symbol of what the Fraud Bergoglio is doing to the Pillars of our Faith.

Posted by: kallisto at April 15, 2019 04:56 PM (OxYQ1)

232 Imagine being the piece of shit who did this. He should kill himself.


Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2019 04:48 PM (Po8Ix)


Well, Sooth, I mean, it could have been a genuine accident. There could be someone who feels absolutely horrible right now.

Or it could have been an accident with no one personally responsible -- like an electrical fire, which was possibly caused by old-ass wiring becoming frayed due to the work on the building somehow or something like that.

Who knows?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:56 PM (GBteo)

233 Hollywood Box Office Suffering Worst Slump in Years...

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 04:55 PM (+y/Ru)

A silver lining.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2019 04:56 PM (t6MX/)

234 Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 04:53 PM (ptqGC)


We have multiple exits in the church that were wide open on Palm Sunday. Our pastor is very anti gun, but looks the other way as he really can't ask who is carrying. When confronted he says "this is a house of God". I'm glad he still had faith in man, and I told him so. I also told him I don't which is why I am here, armed.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2019 04:56 PM (VpIIl)

235 More tragedy!

Hollywood Box Office Suffering Worst Slump in Years...
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 04:55 PM (+y/Ru)


Produce shit, receive shit in return, episode #345,364,408

Posted by: Sponge at April 15, 2019 04:56 PM (IXZGh)

236 if we get a jihadist to admit he did it, perhaps France would wake up to the evil of the multi-culti lies pushed on them?

Hard to say, but Poland and some of the old Eastern Bloc seem to understand the threat much more clearly.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 15, 2019 04:56 PM (Cus5s)

237 Jon was trying to hold out until RBG kicked the bucket
Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 04:55 PM (BbGew)

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As if it matters. John Roberts will make a rule that RBG can review cases via seance.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2019 04:57 PM (AzW6q)

238 I think people are forgetting how a spark can smoulder for quite some time before taking off. If it was in an inaccessible area, or an area people had vacated at the end of the work day, then it has the opportunity, and once going it's Katy-bar-the-door.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pick Up a Copy of The Daily Panic at The Outrage Outlet! at April 15, 2019 04:57 PM (MIvvh)

239 228 In light of the news that art was saved, my working theory is since the fire started on the roof, the fire department held off with the water until the artwork below could be removed from ground level.

Just a theory.



Posted by: WisRich at April 15, 2019 04:56 PM (G0vdT)

That makes sense and would explain why they didn't immediately put water on it.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:57 PM (GBteo)

240 204 Also, it can't be a good sign that this Icon of Christianity is burning down during Holy Week.

Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage!

This does strike me as a particularly evil omen.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 15, 2019 04:53 PM (AM1GF)

Or, Judgment. The Great Temple of Solomon was destroyed when the People became unfaithful, that's what the Prophets wrote.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2019 04:57 PM (Kpl3J)

241 Well, he's basically calling the French firemen out when they're in the middle of trying to fight a fire.



I can see how they'd take that the wrong way.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:31 PM (GBteo)


If that is what the French fire fighters call "fighting a fire", I understand all the jokes of French soldiers and their nearly new, unfired, dropped once gun sales.


Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 15, 2019 04:57 PM (sy5kK)

242 People are bitching about Trump wanting at least a SHOW of not letting a 800 year old church just burn to the fucking ground?

He's the bad guy, while their workers and first responders were like "meh?" Seriously people.

Posted by: dagny at April 15, 2019 04:57 PM (nRWPy)

243 Personally. I am now paranoid during Mass. I watch the doors. I

am suspicious of persons I do not recognize in the pews around me. I am

thinking about asking my pastor about how he would defend us if we were

attacked, or, if not him, who would protect us.

I feel like I am being targeted. For my Faith.

And now I'm getting pissed.



Posted by: nurse ratched at April 15, 2019 04:48 PM (d7Ww2)


Join the club. Remember the little Baptist church in TN (I believe) where people were mowed down inside?


Lots of people conceal carry now. Some pastors may not like the idea, but what they don't know....

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 04:57 PM (ptqGC)

244 Who knows?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:56 PM (GBteo)

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Well don't put the FBI on it, if you really want to know.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 04:57 PM (sX1BW)

245 Some stats on French religion, which might or might not be reliable:
63% Christian

23% nothing

7.5% Muslim

Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 04:57 PM (Z3zSO)

246 238 I think people are forgetting how a spark can smoulder for quite some time before taking off. If it was in an inaccessible area, or an area people had vacated at the end of the work day, then it has the opportunity, and once going it's Katy-bar-the-door.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pick Up a Copy of The Daily Panic at The Outrage Outlet! at April 15, 2019 04:57 PM (MIvvh)

Right. Could have been a spark from a miter saw cutting a piece of metal or something that was smoldering on some old lumber for a few hours before it really took off as a legit fire. Who knows?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:57 PM (GBteo)

247 john has a burnt moustache

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 15, 2019 04:58 PM (bim/x)

248 Well don't put the FBI on it, if you really want to know.
Posted by: SH

----

Actually, I WOULD like to put the FBI on a fire.

Posted by: RKae at April 15, 2019 04:58 PM (vP0jg)

249
1000 years old, gone.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2019 04:58 PM (Po8Ix)

250 I think it's a terrible omen during Holy Week. But so were the generous, empty pews on Palm Sunday. Many people don't think they need God anymore. After all, they have the government and iPhones.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2019 04:58 PM (VpIIl)

251 n light of the news that art was saved, my working theory is since the fire started on the roof, the fire department held off with the water until the artwork below could be removed from ground level.

Just a theory.



Posted by: WisRich at April 15, 2019 04:56 PM (G0vdT)

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Not a bad theory.


Im wondering. Who carries the insurance on something like the Notre Dame Cathedral???

Lloyds??

Or did the French "self insure".

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 04:58 PM (8XRCm)

252 6 7+ years of lurking and this event is what causes my first comment.

Posted by: jon at April 15, 2019 04:25 PM (VTpXr)
........

and you went and misspelled your name.

Posted by: wth at April 15, 2019 04:58 PM (v0R5T)

253 To those who attend church/synagogue/etc. --
Please -take the time to learn where all the exits are. Look where the fire extinguishers are (they make fantastic "bell" ringers). Lobby to get more of them installed around the facility.If you can, carry. Personally, I have avoided carrying when I go to Mass, but am seriously reconsidering my position on that.Reach out to your local LEO (even if you are skeptical of their actions) and have them come to your facility. Let them tour it. This gives them an inside edge should something go sideways. Host a C.R.A.S.E. course or something similar.Bad things are coming. It is in Europe now. It'll be here soon enough.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 15, 2019 04:58 PM (jxbfJ)

254 "Obviously, they didn't have sprinkler system when it was built, but surely they put in something lately as part of a retrofit or upgrade?

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at April 15, 2019 04:29 PM (xptlg)

NONE of the great old European buildings have done that. It costs a lot of money, and nobody wants to pay for it."

---------------

After paying billions to feed, House and build mosques for the Muslim overlords there is no money to safeguard their antiquities.

Posted by: Decaf at April 15, 2019 04:58 PM (PUz4C)

255 This is so sad. My wife and I visited Notre Dame Cathedral in 1998. My daughter is getting ready to graduate from a School Sisters of Notre Dame school. She will never get to see the Cathedral...sad.

Posted by: Timon at April 15, 2019 04:58 PM (dKm4U)

256 184 But really, isn't this the story of Pope Francis?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 15, 2019 04:50 PM (oVJmc)

Limp-wristed, ineffectual socialism? Yeah, that pretty much covers it.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 04:59 PM (RD7QR)

257 Almost all of the possible snark has been posted. Any original decent snark going forward are automatically honorary thread winners.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 04:59 PM (rxtQa)

258 I highly doubt it was a Gillet Jaune. They may be incandescently pissed off at the people in government, but they're more or less a patriotic movement. This wouldn't fit their MO at all.

If it were the Religion of Peace(s), they'd already have a press release out bragging about it.

I'm sticking with my original hunch of "Typical Gallic Work Ethic" being to blame here, based on no other evidence than what i've just cited.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 15, 2019 04:59 PM (Ct55T)

259 Red alert! Red alert! Red alert!

The Next George Bush...

Can Ultimate Insider Resurrect Family Brand?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 04:59 PM (+y/Ru)

260 Uhhh... my spider sense is that a "Yellow Vester" set the blaze. (I'm never right about these things, though).
Posted by: Serious Cat at April 15, 2019 04:55 PM (Xqo6t)

Why would a Pro French protestor destroy an Ancient Symbol of France?

Posted by: Don Q at April 15, 2019 04:59 PM (NgKpN)

261 @216 On France 24 a hour ago a guest said that relics were saved but I am not so sure because for that to happen early in this disaster like the beginning someone had to make that decision to pull everything out of the building.

----------------------

There were likely procedures already in place.

"There's a fire. It's big enough that the fire department will be called. Either part of the building will burn down, or there will be lots of water damage. Or both. Because of this, evacuate everything of value that can be moved."

Posted by: junior at April 15, 2019 04:59 PM (Fp6vo)

262 ace, I like the fact you quoted Joe Concha's tweet.


Joe Concha is one of the good guys, American, Rule of Law, honest.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 15, 2019 04:59 PM (sy5kK)

263 This is so sad.

Posted by: Emmie at April 15, 2019 04:59 PM (4HMW8)

264
Lots of people conceal carry now. Some pastors may not like the idea, but what they don't know....

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 04:57 PM (praY)

...may save their lives

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 15, 2019 04:59 PM (dm05u)

265 Some stats on French religion, which might or might not be reliable:
63% Christian

23% nothing

7.5% Muslim
Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage!

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You can put that 63% in with the "nothing" category.

Posted by: RKae at April 15, 2019 04:59 PM (vP0jg)

266 Im wondering. Who carries the insurance on something like the Notre Dame Cathedral???

Lloyds??

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Ha. They insure everything. What a business.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 04:59 PM (sX1BW)

267 Lloyds??

Or did the French "self insure".
Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 04:58 PM (8XRCm)

Whatever lawyers wrote up that insurance policy are either in hiding right now, or furiously pouring over the policy looking for any out.

Because I got to imagine that that building was worth a fuckton of money.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:59 PM (GBteo)

268 252 6 7+ years of lurking and this event is what causes my first comment.

Posted by: jon at April 15, 2019 04:25 PM (VTpXr)
........

and you went and misspelled your name.
Posted by: wth at April 15, 2019 04:58 PM (v0R5T)

[Scowls] Watch that crap.

Posted by: JONcelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 05:00 PM (RD7QR)

269 I swear...Obama can insert himself into ANY situation!

https://tinyurl.com/y326nkut

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 05:00 PM (cF8AT)

270
It's only been recently since I've been contemplating the phrase "Nothing Lasts Forever." It really is true. None of this will last forever. None of it.

Except bugs; they'll be around forever.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2019 05:00 PM (Po8Ix)

271 @217 Original White House, 1814 (although you could say that some boys in red under the leadership of MG Robert Ross did something)

---------------------

I like to tell people that we invited the British Army in for bonfires and smores, but the British got a bit unruly.

(and yes, I have actually said this on a website full of Brits )

Posted by: junior at April 15, 2019 05:00 PM (Fp6vo)

272 222 If Marty Feldman wasn't dead I'm sure the FBI would have arrested him by now.
Posted by: Ancient Hunchback Theorists at April 15, 2019 04:55 PM.


***********************


Damn your eyes!

Posted by: Dr Viktor Frankenstein....that's Fronk-en -steen at April 15, 2019 05:00 PM (OFzX4)

273 259
Red alert! Red alert! Red alert!



The Next George Bush...



Can Ultimate Insider Resurrect Family Brand?


We are working on it.

Posted by: Billie and the Cucks at April 15, 2019 05:00 PM (sy5kK)

274
And stryofoam.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2019 05:00 PM (Po8Ix)

275 Ben Shapiro tweeted out "why doesn't the football team put it out?" He deleted the tweet. But do a google search with this link and you can see it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/benshapiro/status/ 1117879123815190529

The masks are hitting the floor on Twitter and social media over this.

Posted by: Ben Shapiro at April 15, 2019 05:00 PM (YmfOS)

276 Cato - You have ruined my souffle!

Posted by: garrett at April 15, 2019 05:00 PM (dIb4M)

277 Herpes lasts forever. And RBG.

Posted by: tubal at April 15, 2019 05:00 PM (90T4r)

278 That Church was so old it was built by the "King of the Franks" and his son after him, not even by the King of France. There was no France.



Oh Goody, Nitwit Perino.

Posted by: dagny at April 15, 2019 05:00 PM (nRWPy)

279 198
170. I'm sure any number of guys at my church are packing. K of C types, and also LE, active and retired.

Posted by: kallisto
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We are - but in the absence of a coordinated, trained response team, fully supported by the parish priest and diocese, our efforts are substandard.

I'm working with my priest to form a team with that support, but he's a bit slow.

Perhaps this will be his push to move faster.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 15, 2019 05:00 PM (Y4EXg)

280 We have multiple exits in the church that were wide
open on Palm Sunday. Our pastor is very anti gun, but looks the other
way as he really can't ask who is carrying. When confronted he says
"this is a house of God". I'm glad he still had faith in man, and I told
him so. I also told him I don't which is why I am here, armed.


Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2019 04:56 PM (VpIIl)


Yeah, we have two entrances to our church. Both would provide a shooter with perfect lines of fire to wipe out half the congregants.


Thus our son and others sitting in strategic spots on Sunday mornings.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 05:01 PM (ptqGC)

281 Ha. They insure everything. What a business.
Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 04:59 PM (sX1BW)

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Ive work several fires where Lloyds was the carrier.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 05:01 PM (8XRCm)

282 210. Nominal Catholics are probably north of 50%, but observant is really low, maybe 20 per cent.

Posted by: kallisto at April 15, 2019 05:01 PM (OxYQ1)

283 Oh yeah, the church is good about insuring their properties. I would imagine Lloyds of London is already hitting the scotch.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2019 05:01 PM (VpIIl)

284 . . . The fire fighters are simply unable to access the core of the fire, until it is far too late.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2019 04:43 PM (Kpl3J)
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Thank you, Tom Servo. That's really something.

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at April 15, 2019 05:01 PM (xptlg)

285 Just a guess but someone will take 'credit' for this fire and our betters will admonish the peasants to not overreact.

'Overreacting ' be THE sin above all sins in the Kristol Klass

Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters at April 15, 2019 05:01 PM (2DkvM)

286 It's only been recently since I've been contemplating the phrase "Nothing Lasts Forever." It really is true. None of this will last forever. None of it.

Except bugs; they'll be around forever.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2019 05:00 PM (Po8Ix)

and herpes

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 05:01 PM (GBteo)

287 Hollywood Box Office Suffering Worst Slump in Years...

I had Aquaman on as background noise the other day. I almost turned it off because it failed to be entertaining enough for that task.

I'm glad I didn't pay to see that dreck.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 15, 2019 05:02 PM (9t0Zz)

288 Ben Shapiro tweeted out "why doesn't the football team put it out?" He deleted the tweet.

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That is terrible.

If you are going to snark, make it good snark.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 05:02 PM (sX1BW)

289 Anybody know the % of French who are practicing Catholics, or any denomination?

Posted by: tubal

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Less than 2

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 15, 2019 05:02 PM (YslsA)

290
Here's the Big Question: What exactly did the French firefighters save?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2019 05:02 PM (Po8Ix)

291 269 I swear...Obama can insert himself into ANY situation!

https://tinyurl.com/y326nkut
Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 05:00 PM (cF8AT)

Too much anal to contemplate

Posted by: dagny at April 15, 2019 05:02 PM (nRWPy)

292 It was a roof worker who was too distracted by trumps policy of putting illegals in sanctuary cities that he didn't pay attention to where his sparks were going.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 15, 2019 05:02 PM (dNzKv)

293 Notre Dame seems symbolic of how the Muslim invasion is eroding all of France's history.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at April 15, 2019 05:02 PM (+dsLj)

294 Ive work several fires where Lloyds was the carrier.Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 05:01 PM (8XRCm)
who is the insurer that insures all other insurers?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 15, 2019 05:02 PM (0O7c5)

295 Glad I got to see it when I did. However, the wife and I are attending a wedding in Paris in 2020, and she wanted to see it too...not looking good guys.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at April 15, 2019 05:02 PM (wGbBR)

296 means it's very difficult to get the water from hoses to soak the roof"

Thus fire boats. Could easily cover most of the west side...

Sad

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 05:02 PM (6qErC)

297 Our son graduates his university next month, and already has an LLC for his own business offering site security advice. He's got two clients thus far.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 05:02 PM (ptqGC)

298 It's sort of not the point but inevitably and reasonably a topic, and I'm late to it, but is someone/anyone documenting reaction, if any, in certain parts of the world demographic? You might recall that images/sound of certain people laughing and celebrating after "some people did some things" in September 2001 quickly became hard to find, and of course its existence was denied not long after.



Posted by: rhomboid at April 15, 2019 05:02 PM (QDnY+)

299 Personally. I am now paranoid during Mass. I watch the doors. I

am suspicious of persons I do not recognize in the pews around me. I am

thinking about asking my pastor about how he would defend us if we were

attacked, or, if not him, who would protect us.

I feel like I am being targeted. For my Faith.

And now I'm getting pissed.

Posted by: nurse ratched

..................

Most Catholic Churches have ushers for Sunday Mass.. ask one of them.. maybe they're packing.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 15, 2019 05:02 PM (so+oy)

300 277 Herpes lasts forever. And RBG.
..

I love Mondays!

Another strong week ahead!

Posted by: RBG at April 15, 2019 05:02 PM (MAstk)

301 That is terrible.



If you are going to snark, make it good snark.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 05:02 PM (sX1BW)

Honorary threadwinner, per the rules of the thread.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2019 05:03 PM (t6MX/)

302 I have a nomination for the art thread tomorrow morning - this painting popped into my head, looking at the film of this fire, amazing how similar they look:

http://tinyurl.com/y6pad56g

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2019 05:03 PM (Kpl3J)

303 I still think it was a construction accident, but if in fact it was terrorism, I do believe the shit can truly be said to have hit the fan.

Posted by: Red headed 'ette at April 15, 2019 05:03 PM (5Q+j+)

304 who is the insurer that insures all other insurers?
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 15, 2019 05:02 PM (0O7c5)

The taxpayers.

Duh.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 05:03 PM (GBteo)

305 who is the insurer that insures all other insurers?
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 15, 2019 05:02 PM (0O7c5)

That's called reinsurance and there are a number of big reinsurance companies. Lloyd's being one of them.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 05:03 PM (rxtQa)

306 294 Ive work several fires where Lloyds was the carrier.Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 05:01 PM (8XRCm)
who is the insurer that insures all other insurers?
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 15, 2019 05:02 PM (0O7c5)

Government.

Posted by: JONcelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 05:03 PM (RD7QR)

307 258 I highly doubt it was a Gillet Jaune. They may be incandescently pissed off at the people in government, but they're more or less a patriotic movement. This wouldn't fit their MO at all.

If it were the Religion of Peace(s), they'd already have a press release out bragging about it.

I'm sticking with my original hunch of "Typical Gallic Work Ethic" being to blame here, based on no other evidence than what i've just cited.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 15, 2019 04:59 PM (Ct55T)

Except the WaPo and Newsweek have reported within the last 2 weeks on the string on attacks and vandalism and desecration on Catholic Churches in France over the last few weeks.

Posted by: Ben Shapiro at April 15, 2019 05:03 PM (YmfOS)

308
George Soros and Ruth Ginsberg will last forever, yes.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2019 05:03 PM (Po8Ix)

309 If it is the real crown of thorns, it won't burn up......

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 15, 2019 05:03 PM (JUOKG)

310 Everything about this fire stinks.

And the rule is that any comments in the first 48 hours are all raw emotion.

We've been ragging on the fire response all day.

Might I suggest y'all run over to Insty's and read the thread written by a fire fighter who seems to have a different perspective than most of what we've been reading today.

It's a fairly recent post...

Posted by: WhoCares at April 15, 2019 05:04 PM (bGMOs)

311 I just heard Shep cut off the French official that was talking about other Churches across France bein Desecrated. They had a Preist killed during mass if my memory is right.


Also F Shep

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at April 15, 2019 05:04 PM (dKiJG)

312 Watchingb the fire on YouTube, Paris sure could use a heavy rain right now.

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 05:04 PM (BbGew)

313 -
--

Ben Shapiro tweeted out "why doesn't the football team put it out?" He
deleted the tweet. But do a google search with this link and you can see
it.

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I don't get it. Should I be able to get it?

Posted by: irright at April 15, 2019 05:04 PM (pMGkg)

314 Ive work several fires where Lloyds was the carrier.Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 05:01 PM (8XRCm)
who is the insurer that insures all other insurers?
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 15, 2019 05:02 PM (0O7c5)

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reinsurance

Lloyds does a lot of that.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 05:04 PM (8XRCm)

315 On French tv firefighters just mentioned they saved the Notre Dame structure

Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2019 05:04 PM (+4/lE)

316 This is the first time in several months I've turned on Fox and I get Shep, Cavuto, and now Donna Brazille.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at April 15, 2019 05:04 PM (SkuXa)

317 We have multiple exits in the church that were wide
open on Palm Sunday. Our pastor is very anti gun, but looks the other
way as he really can't ask who is carrying. When confronted he says
"this is a house of God". I'm glad he still had faith in man, and I told
him so. I also told him I don't which is why I am here, armed.


Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2019 04:56 PM (VpIIl)

Ask him what was the LAST thing Jesus told his Disciples?

Sell your cloak, buy a sword?

Posted by: Don Q at April 15, 2019 05:04 PM (NgKpN)

318 302: Amazing

I still say Ines Madani. Or do they ban ROP tourists.

Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 05:04 PM (U7k5w)

319 People are SO STUPID. A priest was beheaded at daily Mass in Normandy. Every RCC should have had enhanced security since then.

Posted by: kallisto at April 15, 2019 05:04 PM (OxYQ1)

320 290
Here's the Big Question: What exactly did the French firefighters save?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2019 05:02 PM (Po8Ix)

Time for a bagette and a carafe of vino.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2019 05:04 PM (Kpl3J)

321 Also F Shep
Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at April 15, 2019 05:04 PM (dKiJG)

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Not even with your dick, Patrick my lad.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 05:05 PM (8XRCm)

322 The "holy sacraments" are the sanctified wheaten hosts used for Holy Communion.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 15, 2019 05:05 PM (Dh1wo)

323 My thought also, rhomboid.
It's just a catastrophic and devastating event, so naturally we think...

Posted by: pj at April 15, 2019 05:05 PM (qlTN9)

324 Also F Shep
Posted by: Patrick from Ohio

You never know, he might like that.

Posted by: Jake Tapper at April 15, 2019 05:05 PM (SkuXa)

325 It is so typically French that the most iconic church in the world, sitting on a fucking river no less, and the first firemen on the scene don't even bust out the hoses.

Posted by: Red headed 'ette at April 15, 2019 05:05 PM (5Q+j+)

326 Even if this was an accident, anyone claiming credit for it is telling you they were willing if unable. That might be a reason to go to war on it's own, even if they're found to be lying.
_________________

The French have already arrested and imprisoned a muzzie woman who was part of a group that was planning to try and blow up Notre Dame with gas canisters. It's not as if the French don't know, and haven't known for a while now, that the church is a target of the jihadis.

In fact, all the French churches are targets, and they are currently averaging 2 church desecrations (vandalism, torching, smearing with feces, etc.) by muslims in France every day. The French media won't report most of it, but the people know this kind of shit is going on.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 05:05 PM (fqUgw)

327
Ben Shapiro tweeted out "why doesn't the football team put it out?" He
deleted the tweet. But do a google search with this link and you can see
it.
----------------------


He was thinking of Knute Rockne.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 15, 2019 05:05 PM (aKsyK)

328 Please -take the time to learn where all the exits are. Look where the fire extinguishers are (they make fantastic "bell" ringers). Lobby to get more of them installed around the facility.If you can, carry. Personally, I have avoided carrying when I go to Mass, but am seriously reconsidering my position on that.Reach out to your local LEO (even if you are skeptical of their actions) and have them come to your facility. Let them tour it. This gives them an inside edge should something go sideways. Host a C.R.A.S.E. course or something similar.Bad things are coming

A lot of hospitals, nursing homes, and outpatient clinics are inviting LEOs into their facilities to help them plan a course of action in case an active shooter(s) gets inside and goes postal. Many older hospitals were built in stages over the years and have unbelievably complicated floor plans (as do some cathedrals), so you really do need to know the location of exits and fire extinguishers (or other items that could be used to deter or disable an attacker).

Posted by: Basement Cat at April 15, 2019 05:05 PM (pPNCa)

329 Ask him what was the LAST thing Jesus told his Disciples?

Sell your cloak, buy a sword?
Posted by: Don Q at April 15, 2019 05:04 PM (NgKpN)

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Pre or post resurrection??


I will be with you always.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 05:05 PM (8XRCm)

330 315 On French tv firefighters just mentioned they saved the Notre Dame structure
Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2019 05:04 PM (+4/lE)

Great news, if true

Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 05:05 PM (U7k5w)

331 Were they able to save Esmeralda, or perhaps establish her whereabouts?

Posted by: tubal at April 15, 2019 05:05 PM (90T4r)

332 Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 05:04 PM (8XRCm)


I forget. You're a catastrophic adjuster ?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 05:06 PM (rxtQa)

333 People responding to that Obama tweet as if he whipped out his phone and wrote it himself.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 15, 2019 05:06 PM (dNzKv)

334 Pamela Gellar has an interesting blog post about a deleted tweet from a Time journalist, Christopher J. Hale - Seems Mr. Hale was told by a"Jesuit friend in Paris who works in Notre Dame" told him the "cathedral staff said fire was intentionally set..."

http://tinyurl.com/y3mfjuea

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at April 15, 2019 05:06 PM (9Ni3Z)

335 Dear God,
Don't let this building be replaced with some sort of Joel Ostend style mega church, or a catamite brothel for Pope Francis' degenerate clergy.
Amen

Posted by: Downcast at April 15, 2019 05:06 PM (2p/I6)

336
The stone part was saved? Yeah, no shit.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2019 05:07 PM (Po8Ix)

337 Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 05:04 PM (8XRCm)


I forget. You're a catastrophic adjuster ?
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 05:06 PM (rxtQa)

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Catastrophic fixerupper.

General Contractor specializing in disaster restoration

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 05:07 PM (8XRCm)

338 On a large building like this, the Inconvenient Truth is that without a fire suppression and abatement system pre-installed before a major fire starts. the Building will be lost no matter how good or fast the fire fighting effort is. The fire fighters are simply unable to access the core of the fire, until it is far too late.
Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2019 04:43 PM (Kpl3J)
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Perhaps they knew this and the fire plan was "Save the art work at all cost!"

Posted by: WisRich at April 15, 2019 05:07 PM (G0vdT)

339 326; She was just sentenced Friday. Ines Madani

Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 05:07 PM (U7k5w)

340 Phoenixgirl - those guys are called reinsurers. There are hundreds of them throughout the world but the biggest are:

Munich Reinsurance Company, Swiss Reinsurance Company Limited, and Hannover Rueckversicherung AG.

And yes, they have insurance on themselves - called - rereinsurance.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 15, 2019 05:07 PM (Y4EXg)

341 Apparently the Nazis bombed Notre Dame during WWII and they rebuilt it. Hope they can again.
http://tinyurl.com/yx8w7nkn

Posted by: Timon at April 15, 2019 05:07 PM (dKm4U)

342 Don't let this building be replaced with some sort of Joel Ostend style mega church

------------

Joel Osteen repurposes basketball arenas.

I'm still amazed that his church is where the Rockets used to play.

What a country.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 05:08 PM (sX1BW)

343 My God in Heaven, the Five are beclowing themselves.

Posted by: Red headed 'ette at April 15, 2019 05:08 PM (5Q+j+)

344 Good grief. Dana Perino just now (super chirpy up-beat voice):

"The Cathedral of Notre Dame is no more."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 05:08 PM (ptqGC)

345 319
People are SO STUPID. A priest was beheaded at daily Mass in Normandy. Every RCC should have had enhanced security since then.

Posted by: kallisto at April 15, 2019 05:04 PM (OxYQ1)
One was stabbed in an attack in Montreal last month. I've been trying to point these things out to our pastor -- again silence and blank stares.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 15, 2019 05:08 PM (jxbfJ)

346
What Would Rollo Lothbrook Do?

What Would Logatha Do?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2019 05:08 PM (Po8Ix)

347 I swear...Obama can insert himself into ANY situation!

https://tinyurl.com/y326nkut

-
Obongo acknowledges this tragedy by posting a photo of himself. Who'd a thunk it?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 05:08 PM (+y/Ru)

348 342: Which would still be better than a multicultural center

Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 05:09 PM (U7k5w)

349 I swear...Obama can insert himself into ANY situation!

JFC. When Los Angeles gets bombed by a terrorist nuke, Obama will post a picture of himself looking pensively across the LA basin.

Posted by: The ARC of History at April 15, 2019 05:09 PM (I2/tG)

350 I have a nomination for the art thread tomorrow morning - this painting popped into my head, looking at the film of this fire, amazing how similar they look:


I'm not sure but I think we may have had that as an art thread.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 15, 2019 05:09 PM (fuK7c)

351 By Quakers.
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Society of Friends, my ass!!

Posted by: andycanuck at April 15, 2019 05:09 PM (Dh1wo)

352 Anyone who has visited this cathedral lately knows that the tourists who visit it are beset by beggars, pickpockets (Roma) and other scalawags.
The police do nothing about them. The tour guides will sometimes try to shoo them away.
Lots of ne'er do wells about, at all times.
I was there 4 years ago.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at April 15, 2019 05:09 PM (w7KSn)

353
Ask him what was the LAST thing Jesus told his Disciples?



Sell your cloak, buy a sword?

Posted by: Don Q at April 15, 2019 05:04 PM (NgKpN)


was there a 9mm vs. .45 argument back then?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 15, 2019 05:09 PM (sy5kK)

354 Hear a commentator earlier on the news talking about how this was a symbol of French price. As a Catholic watching Catholicism dying in Europe I thought the Notre Dame in flames dying its death was the proper symbol of where France is today.

Posted by: H Badger at April 15, 2019 04:27 PM (n/0Nw)

A symbol of Europe dying.

This is awful.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V. at April 15, 2019 05:10 PM (d6Ksn)

355 If it is the real crown of thorns, it won't burn up......
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 15, 2019 05:03 PM (JUOKG)


If placed on the eternal flame you would get the 9oo ft Jesus.

Seen in a movie.

Posted by: Oral Roberts at April 15, 2019 05:10 PM (1g7ch)

356 Catastrophic fixerupper.

General Contractor specializing in disaster restoration
Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 05:07 PM (8XRCm

Got it. Someone here was a storm chaser adjuster. Just can't remember who.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 05:10 PM (rxtQa)

357 Alexandra DiSanctis, David French' researcher and muse, is linked in the sidebar telling everyone not as moral as she herself is to shut up about the cathedral burning. What a total D-bag.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, no recent arrests at April 15, 2019 05:10 PM (LISuA)

358 I've just found a new site for the Grand Mosque of Paris!

Allah works in mysterious ways!

Posted by: Ilhan! at April 15, 2019 05:10 PM (I2/tG)

359 293 Notre Dame seems symbolic of how the Muslim invasion is eroding all of France's history.
Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at April 15, 2019 05:02 PM (+dsLj)
-------------------------------
It's not the Muslims. They're just tools.
It's the Left.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 15, 2019 05:10 PM (Rxduq)

360 Seven years a slave lurker.

Posted by: Max Power at April 15, 2019 05:10 PM (q177U)

361 was there a 9mm vs. .45 argument back then?
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 15, 2019 05:09 PM (sy5kK)

Gladius vs. Scimitar.

Posted by: Don Q at April 15, 2019 05:11 PM (NgKpN)

362 311 I just heard Shep cut off the French official that was talking about other Churches across France bein Desecrated.
__________________

He's just following the lead of the euroweenie "reporters" who also won't report what is happening to the churches in Europe, lest it lead to that inevitable backlash against the jihadis that we all keep waiting for.

(I'm personally looking forward to the backlash. It's long overdue, and should be a doozy).

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 05:11 PM (fqUgw)

363 Uhhh... my spider sense is that a "Yellow Vester" set the blaze. (I'm never right about these things, though).
Posted by: Serious Cat at April 15, 2019 04:55 PM (Xqo6t)

Why would a Pro French protestor destroy an Ancient Symbol of France?
Posted by: Don Q at April 15, 2019 04:59 PM (NgKpN)

To start a revolution.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 15, 2019 05:11 PM (Xqo6t)

364 347 I swear...Obama can insert himself into ANY situation!

https://tinyurl.com/y326nkut

-
Obongo acknowledges this tragedy by posting a photo of himself. Who'd a thunk it?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 05:08 PM.


********************


There's no 'i' in Notre Dame.....but it does end in a 'me'.

Posted by: Dr Viktor Frankenstein....that's Fronk-en -steen at April 15, 2019 05:11 PM (OFzX4)

365 Gutfeld said thankfully there's been no loss of life, when we look at the WTC we think of all the people who died.

Then the guy I don't know said oh and no one is indicating terrorism either, so that's good.

How have we ruled out terrorism while Paris is burning?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 15, 2019 05:11 PM (fuK7c)

366 >>>If placed on the eternal flame you would get the 9oo ft Jesus.

Seen in a movie.
Posted by: Oral Roberts at April 15, 2019 05:10 PM (1g7ch

I got that reference.

Posted by: Steve Rogers at April 15, 2019 05:11 PM (q177U)

367 Rare day: Even some on MSNBC are lamenting the loss of something created by white male Christians.

Posted by: Gref at April 15, 2019 05:11 PM (AMIL/)

368 I keep seeing you people talking about fire boats!

You're so stupid!
The last thing they needed was more fire!

Posted by: AOC at April 15, 2019 05:11 PM (37IEG)

369 Anyone who would choose a longsword over a broadsword is obviously over compensating for something.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at April 15, 2019 05:12 PM (SkuXa)

370 It's just making room for the new mosque, made to look like an accident.

3 of the greatest stained glass windows ever made, gone forever.

And the twitter twats are cheering - because evil Catholics and Karma. Sickening.

Posted by: clutch cargo at April 15, 2019 05:12 PM (sLicW)

371 Can everyone please stop blindly cutting and pasting and fix the "French price"
Sounds like something you catch from a can-can dancer.

Posted by: Downcast at April 15, 2019 05:12 PM (2p/I6)

372 After supper, Corey Booker is stopping by to give a lecture on Quantum Electrodynamics.

Posted by: Burger Chef at April 15, 2019 05:12 PM (RuIsu)

373 My parents loved Notre Dame cathedral. For the first time in her life, my mom was speechless when she saw it. It was one of the first places my dad visited after WWII. When I heard the news I thought "I'll have to call mom" but she's been gone 10 years. I'm sad.

Posted by: Abby at April 15, 2019 05:12 PM (SM/op)

374 Just read that Emmanuel weighs 13 tons.

Posted by: IrishEi at April 15, 2019 05:13 PM (NtglE)

375 369 Anyone who would choose a longsword over a broadsword is obviously over compensating for something.
Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at April 15, 2019 05:12 PM (SkuXa)

Short arms?

Posted by: Don Q at April 15, 2019 05:13 PM (NgKpN)

376 365: Because we don't want to do anything about it. I still say the Madani sentencing is too recent to rule out retaliation

Posted by: CN at April 15, 2019 05:13 PM (U7k5w)

377 325 It is so typically French that the most iconic church in the world, sitting on a fucking river no less, and the first firemen on the scene don't even bust out the hoses."

We've all been ragging on the firefighters, but we should remember that when they got there, the fire was taking place 300' over their heads and above a heavy wooden ceiling, in a large space running the length of the building, with NO firebreaks built in, and no access.

Again, you either pre-install fire alarms and fire abatement equipment in a space like this, or you accept that if a fire ever starts, the building is lost. They never bothered to install any safety systems where they should have.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2019 05:13 PM (Kpl3J)

378 Ask him what was the LAST thing Jesus told his Disciples?



Sell your cloak, buy a sword?

Posted by: Don Q at April 15, 2019 05:04 PM (NgKpN)

Sell your cloak and messenger bag, because ghey.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2019 05:13 PM (t6MX/)

379 And the twitter twats are cheering - because evil Catholics and Karma. Sickening.
Posted by: clutch cargo at April 15, 2019 05:12 PM (sLicW)

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This is how they got Trump. This is how they'll get moar Trump on stteroids.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 05:13 PM (8XRCm)

380 I would not like to be the construction company in charge of the restoration. Do they still have the guillotine?

Posted by: It's me donna at April 15, 2019 05:13 PM (O2RFr)

381 279. You guys need to forget about the priest and the diocese and just come up with your plan to protect the parishioners. This is not the RCC of our youth that employed street smart clerics. Everyone up the chain is SOFT.

Posted by: kallisto at April 15, 2019 05:13 PM (OxYQ1)

382 In 2018, the French Ministry of the Interior recorded 541 anti-Semitic acts, 100 anti-Muslim acts, and 1063 anti-Christian acts.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 15, 2019 05:13 PM (PC5Ge)

383 I swear...Obama can insert himself into ANY situation!

https://tinyurl.com/y326nkut

-

Obongo acknowledges this tragedy by posting a photo of himself. Who'd a thunk it?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 05:08 PM (+y/Ru)


Did you read his fawning minions' responses?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 05:13 PM (ptqGC)

384 370 It's just making room for the new mosque, made to look like an accident.

3 of the greatest stained glass windows ever made, gone forever.

And the twitter twats are cheering - because evil Catholics and Karma. Sickening.
Posted by: clutch cargo at April 15, 2019 05:12 PM (sLicW)

There's something about the twats that just exacerbates the darkness lurking in some people.

Posted by: JONcelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 05:14 PM (RD7QR)

385 I've never been to France
probably will never have a reason to in a couple of years at this rate

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 15, 2019 05:14 PM (dm05u)

386 How have we ruled out terrorism while Paris is burning?

Standard police procedure now is to announce after an event like this that there is no evidence of terrorism - before the investigation starts.

After all, there no evidence of anything at this point.

Posted by: The ARC of History at April 15, 2019 05:14 PM (I2/tG)

387 Downcast- If any consolation for you French don't build modern Christian churches much, but a mosque on the remains isn't out of the question.

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 05:14 PM (BbGew)

388 Lloyd's insures my House,

Lloyd Smolovitz. The guy on corner. I gave him 25 Bucks, shook his hand, And I am insured

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 15, 2019 05:14 PM (bim/x)

389 It's time to Boycott Little Ben,

1st he threw the Covington kids under the bus and now makes a Joke about the Notre Dame Football team should be putting out the fire.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at April 15, 2019 05:14 PM (dKiJG)

390 353

Ask him what was the LAST thing Jesus told his Disciples?





Sell your cloak, buy a sword?



Posted by: Don Q at April 15, 2019 05:04 PM (NgKpN)


was there a 9mm vs. .45 argument back then?


Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 15, 2019 05:09 PM (sy5kK)
Long Bow vs. Cross Bow

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 15, 2019 05:14 PM (jxbfJ)

391 Paris Fire Department reporting that they have saved the dirt under the cathedral from the fire.

Posted by: Party Like It's 1299 at April 15, 2019 05:15 PM (4Eo4+)

392 Downcast- If any consolation for you French don't
build modern Christian churches much, but a mosque on the remains isn't
out of the question.

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 05:14 PM (BbGew)


Western tourists love to gush over the Blue Mosque in Istanbul. Built on the site of a cathedral.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 05:15 PM (ptqGC)

393 358 I've just found a new site for the Grand Mosque of Paris!

Allah works in mysterious ways!
Posted by: Ilhan!
______________

You jest, but it would be completely in keeping with their M.O. if they demanded a muzzie "cultural" center be built somewhere in the vicinity of ND, much as they tried to put one at Ground Zero in NYC.

It's part of their schtick to erect a mosque on sites they have "conquered" for "allah."

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 05:15 PM (fqUgw)

394 we should remember that when they got there, the fire was taking place 300' over their heads and above a heavy wooden ceiling, in a large space running the length of the building, with NO firebreaks built in

--

Correct, there is a vault and then a roof, water sprayed onto the roof does exactly what rain does. Question is, besides where the steeple fell, is the rest of the vault intact?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 15, 2019 05:15 PM (YslsA)

395 Macron should spend a bit of time studying the Chinese concept of "The Mandate of Heaven".

and what kind of things start to happen, and what they lead to, once that mandate is lost.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2019 05:15 PM (Kpl3J)

396 The chapel where we were married burned to the ground a few years ago. It was about 150 years old. The bricks and mortar just burned along with the wood.

Posted by: Weasel at April 15, 2019 05:15 PM (MVjcR)

397 In 2018, the French Ministry of the Interior recorded 541 anti-Semitic acts, 100 anti-Muslim acts, and 1063 anti-Christian acts.

Over/under on how many of those are fake?

Posted by: bonhomme at April 15, 2019 05:16 PM (9t0Zz)

398 We've all been ragging on the firefighters, "

Not the fighters, but those who refused to properly equip and train them.

There is equipment that could have provided assistance.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 05:16 PM (6qErC)

399 Buttrig probably doesn't how to publicly use this. Cheer, or cry.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 15, 2019 05:17 PM (xSo9G)

400 1 Hunchbacks hardest hit.

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore

My wife made a hunch joke and when I didn't laugh she said, "you've never heard of Quasimodo?".

I said, "It rings a bell."

Then I laughed at her joke just to be on the safe side.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn DA 1977 at April 15, 2019 05:17 PM (/Fmtj)

401 Gotten from Twitter...


Just in - The fire at the 2 towers has been put out right now, at the cathédrale Notre-Dame de #Paris. #NotreDame in #France.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 15, 2019 05:17 PM (Xqo6t)

402
So.

Is this covered in any of Nostrdamus Quattrrains??

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 05:17 PM (8XRCm)

403 Bluntly, if fire investigators find evidence of the use of accelerant at several points in the building, my assumption would be that the French government would suppress that finding.

Posted by: The ARC of History at April 15, 2019 05:17 PM (I2/tG)

404 I have no words. Studied medieval history at Boston College. Toured the cathedral several times and studied it and its architecture. I don't know what to say. I know that we shouldn't feel this emotional about an inanimate object - but I do. Truly horrible.

Posted by: Publius Redux at April 15, 2019 05:17 PM (RfdG+)

405 1st he threw the Covington kids under the bus and now makes a Joke about the Notre Dame Football team should be putting out the fire.

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ND Football should work on smothering the Clemson offense first.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 05:17 PM (sX1BW)

406 322 The "holy sacraments" are the sanctified wheaten hosts used for Holy Communion.
Posted by: andycanuck at April 15, 2019 05:05 PM (Dh1wo)

There are 7 holy sacraments, one of which is the Eucharist which is the Body of Christ. The wheat wafers are wheat wafers until they are consecrated. It then can be referred to as "the host" and retains only the accidents of unleavened bread. Apparently, as the priest should against any odds, secured the eucharist before exiting.

Posted by: dagny at April 15, 2019 05:17 PM (nRWPy)

407 399 Buttrig probably doesn't how to publicly use this. Cheer, or cry.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 15, 2019 05:17 PM (xSo9G)

Trying to figure out how to use it to goad Pence unsuccessfully.

Posted by: JONcelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 05:18 PM (RD7QR)

408 Overhead pic shows extent of fire. Total.

https://twitter.com/neontaster/status/1117889845920026625

Posted by: IrishEi at April 15, 2019 05:18 PM (NtglE)

409 Even the farking Italians saved the Cathedral at Torino when that burned and they worked like madmen to rescue the Shroud.

Posted by: kallisto at April 15, 2019 05:18 PM (OxYQ1)

410 Paris Fire Department reporting that they have saved the dirt under the cathedral from the fire.
Posted by: Party Like It's 1299
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So, pretty much like fire departments everywhere.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 15, 2019 05:18 PM (CDGwz)

411 Ask him what was the LAST thing Jesus told his Disciples?

Sell your cloak, buy a sword?

Posted by: Don Q at April 15, 2019 05:04 PM (NgKpN)
----------------------------------

Yes, I have heard the Palm Sunday reading for years, but it never made such an impression on me as it did yesterday.

I was surprised that the rewriters of liturgies had let that line stay in.

Posted by: Boots at April 15, 2019 05:18 PM (e9omi)

412 402
So.

Is this covered in any of Nostrdamus Quattrrains??
Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 05:17 PM (8XRCm)

Any of them or none of them, depending on how you choose to interpret them.

Posted by: JONcelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 05:18 PM (RD7QR)

413 60
One of my daughters was lucky enough to attend a Latin mass at Notre
Dame a few years back, while traveling with a friend and her family.
I've always thought that was sort of the height of our family's
not-so-great cultural reach.


Posted by: Huck Follywood, no recent arrests at April 15, 2019

*
*
. . .
While it was hardly Notre Dame, I attended a Latin mass at a Christmas Eve service a few years back. I'd always wanted to hear the sonorous sound of the old Latin ("In nomine patris, et filii, et spiritu sancti"). It was well attended, and quite impressive . . except for the priests' continually turning their backs on the audience to recite! Why do they do that?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at April 15, 2019 05:19 PM (elsTe)

414 AFP stating the main structure have been saved and preserved.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 15, 2019 05:19 PM (4e+hS)

415 407 399 Buttrig probably doesn't how to publicly use this. Cheer, or cry.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 15, 2019 05:17 PM (xSo9G)

Trying to figure out how to use it to goad Pence

What's this thing with Pence anyway? I never heard him say anything about Buttgeig or gays for that matter.

Posted by: It's me donna at April 15, 2019 05:19 PM (O2RFr)

416 397 In 2018, the French Ministry of the Interior recorded 541 anti-Semitic acts, 100 anti-Muslim acts, and 1063 anti-Christian acts.

Over/under on how many of those are fake?
Posted by: bonhomme

I suspect many of these are caused by someone preventing anti-Semitic or anti-Christian acts before they were completed.

Posted by: Downcast at April 15, 2019 05:19 PM (2p/I6)

417 It's part of their schtick to erect a mosque on sites they have "conquered" for "allah."

Been the source of rioting in India - a number of mosques have been built on the sites of historically significant Hindu religious structures.

Posted by: The ARC of History at April 15, 2019 05:19 PM (I2/tG)

418 BREAKING: AOC quits Facebook, doubles-down on opposition to Amazon

Posted by: Jimmy Hoffa at April 15, 2019 05:19 PM (Y75K9)

419 Why do they do that?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at April 15, 2019 05:19 PM (elsTe)

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Interceding to God on the attendees behalf.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 05:19 PM (8XRCm)

420 I suggested they put a giant bell over the structure to deny the flames oxygen.

It might take time and it might be expensive, but goddammit, it would have worked!

Posted by: Dirks Strewn DA 1977 at April 15, 2019 05:19 PM (/Fmtj)

421 408 Overhead pic shows extent of fire. Total.

https://twitter.com/neontaster/status/1117889845920026625
Posted by: IrishEi at April 15, 2019 05:18 PM (NtglE)

It's a shell. Heartbreaking.

Posted by: JONcelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 05:19 PM (RD7QR)

422 75
They should strive to build as true to the original as they can... but with better fireproofing.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 15, 2019 04:37 PM (J+mig)



asbestos for the win.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 04:38 PM (GBteo)


Oh, yes!

Posted by: class-action asbestos attorneys at April 15, 2019 05:20 PM (sy5kK)

423 I have no words. Studied medieval history at Boston College. Toured the cathedral several times and studied it and its architecture. I don't know what to say. I know that we shouldn't feel this emotional about an inanimate object - but I do. Truly horrible.
Posted by: Publius Redux
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It has been a fixture, a constant, in a changing world. I grieve its loss.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 15, 2019 05:20 PM (CDGwz)

424 People I work with have come by my office to ask me if I have heard about the fire and tell me how sorry they are. I'm one of two Catholics that work here. It is pretty nice of people to care.

I'm am really bummed. I have always wanted to go there.

Posted by: Lily, formerly of Hot Air now of AoSHQ, Assassin in the Night, not an NPC at April 15, 2019 05:20 PM (v8Lrm)

425 have the social media giants coordinated and decided to censor any concerns that maybe the jihadists burned another Christian church?


Certainly an accident is most likely in most environments, but not in this case ... France ... Easter Week. And the Geller report.


It seems they would have a very good smoke alarm system, if not the sprinkler system. But we have to wait for facts, if they would even be allowed out. Act of terror negates some insurance policies ... if they even had insurance. Or could be they scraped up some electrical lines when moving the gargoyles. ...

Posted by: illiniwek at April 15, 2019 05:20 PM (Cus5s)

426 I doubt they have saved ALL of the relics and art, but probably the ones that could be removed have been for the renovation work. Meanwhile...

These swarthy fellows of indeterminate religion think its a laugh fest

http://tinyurl.com/y6a5v4h8

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 05:20 PM (39g3+)

427 Apparently the Nazis bombed Notre Dame during WWII and they rebuilt it.

The person who posted that photo on Twitter is wrong about the war in question and about the specific cathedral. The photo is of Notre Dame in Reims, not Notre Dame in Paris, and the Reims cathedral was shelled by the Germans in WWI. Notre Dame in Paris wasn't bombed by the Germans (or anyone else) during WWII. It did suffer some damage from stray bullets during the liberation of Paris in 1944.

Posted by: Basement Cat at April 15, 2019 05:20 PM (pPNCa)

428 Ben Shapiro tweeted out "why doesn't the football team put it out?" He deleted the tweet.

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I don't get the joke.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2019 05:20 PM (AzW6q)

429 Ben Shapiro tweeted out "why doesn't the football team put it out?" He 
deleted the tweet. But do a google search with this link and you can see 
it.

----------------------

I don't get it. Should I be able to get it?

Posted by: irright at April 15, 2019 05:04 PM (pMGkg)

He's trying to make a crack at the expense of the President. I mean, he's a disgusting little shitbag even by neocon standards, and Exhibit A in the (fake and wrong) theory that Jews must control the media, otherwise how does this lump of fuck find work?

Between him and Cavuto/ Shep, I'm rapidly losing respect for anyone who keeps rewarding Cucks News.

Posted by: trev006 at April 15, 2019 05:20 PM (6n54H)

430 I've never been to France
probably will never have a reason to in a couple of years at this rate
Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 15, 2019 05:14 PM (dm05u)

I remember when I was on a Pilgrimage to Lourdes with my Dad and our Driver gave us a little tour and drove through a Muslim neighborhood, and he committed on how bad they were nothing but trouble nothing but trouble.

He was such a good guy brought us to some friends restaurant and at the end of the meal she had a whole plate of cheese. I never tasted something soo good in my life and I am not into cheese. I later found out it was not pasteurized cheese.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at April 15, 2019 05:21 PM (dKiJG)

431 was there a 9mm vs. .45 argument back then?
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 15, 2019 05:09 PM

=====

Long Bow vs. Cross Bow
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 15, 2019 05:14 PM


Miriam vs. Tzíntzer

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 15, 2019 05:21 PM (PC5Ge)

432 The rose window? Gone?

Posted by: Tuna at April 15, 2019 05:21 PM (Tc0qu)

433 I think Paris has only one skyscraper over 600 feet not counting the Eiffel Tower.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 05:21 PM (rxtQa)

434 406 322 The "holy sacraments"
Posted by: andycanuck at April 15, 2019 05:05 PM (Dh1wo)

Does this mean that the first thing they grabbed was the wine? It is France.

Posted by: Downcast at April 15, 2019 05:22 PM (2p/I6)

435 Btw, the joke is that Orange Man so dumb he thinks Notre Dame refers to the university. The kind of Woody Allen humor that must have cost him a lot of lunch money at school.

Posted by: trev006 at April 15, 2019 05:22 PM (6n54H)

436 I want to know what Le Front National has to say.

Posted by: kallisto at April 15, 2019 05:22 PM (OxYQ1)

437 Did you read his fawning minions' responses?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 05:13 PM (ptqGC)



Almost want to barf. And evil Drumpf's response? They laugh because the authorities said it wouldn't work. Some building expert!

Yeah, one guy halfway across the world wanting to act to do what he can to save it with zero information on how to do it. All he knows is they must act quickly.

The other posts a photo of himself and a eulogy before it's gone, in anticipation of building a bigger, better mosque.

Posted by: clutch cargo at April 15, 2019 05:22 PM (sLicW)

438 This was the twitter thread by a firefighter linked at Insty. VERY informative.

https://twitter.com/GreggFavre/
status/1117847726786371585

(space before status)

Posted by: Max Power at April 15, 2019 05:23 PM (q177U)

439 The link that Insty has to the firefighter describing teh problems dealing with a church fire is worth the Horde looking at.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pick Up a Copy of The Daily Panic at The Outrage Outlet! at April 15, 2019 05:23 PM (MIvvh)

440 Apparently it started a few minutes after visiting hours ended.

That's all I'm saying.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn DA 1977 at April 15, 2019 05:23 PM (/Fmtj)

441 And people want to know why I concealed carry at church nowadays...
Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2019 04:50 PM (VpIIl)

What I'd want to know is why you would tell them.

Posted by: Just sayin at April 15, 2019 05:23 PM (z79tQ)

442 I've never been to France
probably will never have a reason to in a couple of years at this rate
Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 15, 2019 05:14 PM (dm05u)

If I can't drive somewhere, it's off the list.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at April 15, 2019 05:23 PM (Urdq9)

443 415 407 399 Buttrig probably doesn't how to publicly use this. Cheer, or cry.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 15, 2019 05:17 PM (xSo9G)

Trying to figure out how to use it to goad Pence

What's this thing with Pence anyway? I never heard him say anything about Buttgeig or gays for that matter.
Posted by: It's me donna at April 15, 2019 05:19 PM (O2RFr)

It's Butgig trying to get some publicity by attacking Pence's religious beliefs about gays. That kind of thing plays well with the left. Pence, to his immense credit, is taking the high road, which just forces Buttgig to double down on the anti-Christian nonsense.

Posted by: JONcelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 05:24 PM (RD7QR)

444 A VOX writer, David Roberts, ties the fire into global warming, of course:

Watching something that took centuries to develop, something that can never entirely be recreated, disappear in the comparative blink of an eye -- that, in slow motion, is going to be the dominant feeling of the 21st century. Only instead of buildings: glaciers, forests, species.

Posted by: The ARC of History at April 15, 2019 05:24 PM (I2/tG)

445 IrishE. Oh my God. That really shows the devastation.

Posted by: Jewells45 at April 15, 2019 05:24 PM (dUJdY)

446 Lmao


BREAKING: Former Massachusetts Governor William Weld says he will challenge Trump for 2020 Republican nomination - Reuters

Posted by: Ha at April 15, 2019 05:24 PM (MAstk)

447 except for the priests' continually turning their backs on the audience to recite! Why do they do that?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at April 15, 2019 05:19 PM (elsTe)

that's the way it is originally - the priest, along with the congregation, face God together

this facing the people thing is a modern invention

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 15, 2019 05:25 PM (dm05u)

448 The YouTube video I'm watch while kinda far away looks like the fire is getting knocked down , anyone watching a live feed seeing that?

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 05:25 PM (BbGew)

449 except for the priests' continually turning their backs on the audience to recite! Why do they do that?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at April 15, 2019 05:19 PM (elsTe)

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That is how the old Mass was said. The priest and congregation together facing the cross. It was about facing Christ not each other.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 15, 2019 05:25 PM (jUVms)

450 404 I have no words. Studied medieval history at Boston College. Toured the cathedral several times and studied it and its architecture. I don't know what to say. I know that we shouldn't feel this emotional about an inanimate object - but I do. Truly horrible.
Posted by: Publius Redux at April 15, 2019 05:17 PM (RfdG+)
------------------------
THIS.
I feel sick.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 15, 2019 05:25 PM (Rxduq)

451 Was blessed to attend Easter Mass at Notre Dame in 1984. Was hoping to get back to do it again, alas.

Posted by: betty at April 15, 2019 05:25 PM (aUHJk)

452 I know that we shouldn't feel this emotional about an inanimate object - but I do. Truly horrible.

Posted by: Publius Redux at April 15, 2019 05:17 PM (RfdG+)


I do, too.

I'm Lutheran, with no French in the family tree (as far back as I know), so my only connection to the building is rushing for it in most games of Civilization I've played.

And yet I had a few sniffles over it. The event does seem symbolic of something, whatever the cause turns out to be.

Posted by: Methos at April 15, 2019 05:25 PM (kOpft)

453 Btw, the joke is that Orange Man so dumb he thinks Notre Dame refers to the university.

-
Ben Shapiro, the Vanessa Baxter of the cucks.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 05:26 PM (+y/Ru)

454 BREAKING: Former Massachusetts Governor William Weld says he will challenge Trump for 2020 Republican nomination - Reuters

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Its good for Trump to get some practice on a lightweight before taking on the Dem lightweight.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 05:26 PM (sX1BW)

455 I'll be surprised if there is the national will to rebuild.

Posted by: Tuna at April 15, 2019 05:26 PM (Tc0qu)

456 The rose window? Gone?

Posted by: Tuna at April 15, 2019 05:21 PM (Tc0qu)


West, North and South reported gone.

Posted by: clutch cargo at April 15, 2019 05:26 PM (sLicW)

457 Kristol, I'm giving you millions and the best you can come up with is William Weld? Who the fuck even is William Weld?

Posted by: Pierre at April 15, 2019 05:26 PM (SkuXa)

458 BREAKING: Former Massachusetts Governor William Weld says he will challenge Trump for 2020 Republican nomination - Reuters

This changes everything!

Posted by: Cucks Everywhere! at April 15, 2019 05:26 PM (I2/tG)

459 What's this thing with Pence anyway? I never heard him say anything about Buttgeig or gays for that matter.

Butplug is a fucking idiot who will go absolutely nowhere in the race. He's a fucking little worm.

Posted by: Jewells45 at April 15, 2019 05:26 PM (dUJdY)

460 If I can't drive somewhere, it's off the list.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at April 15, 2019 05:23 PM (Urdq9)

Still a number of places in the states I want to visit first.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 05:26 PM (rxtQa)

461 402
So.

Is this covered in any of Nostrdamus Quattrrains??
Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2019 05:17 PM (8XRCm)

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And a place of worship shall be engulfed in flame. The man who married his mother shall lead the grieving.

Posted by: Nostradamas at April 15, 2019 05:26 PM (gC2IV)

462 Ben Shapiro tweeted out "why doesn't the football team put it out?" He deleted the tweet.

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I don't get the joke.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2019 05:20 PM (AzW6q)
+++++++++++++
I think it's a reference to Notre Dame (the University, not the cathedral) and their football program.

Tasteless move, Ben.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2019 05:26 PM (I2dne)

463 It is so typically French that the most iconic
church in the world, sitting on a fucking river no less, and the first
firemen on the scene don't even bust out the hoses."



We've all been ragging on the firefighters, but we should remember
that when they got there, the fire was taking place 300' over their
heads and above a heavy wooden ceiling, in a large space running the
length of the building, with NO firebreaks built in, and no access.



Again, you either pre-install fire alarms and fire abatement
equipment in a space like this, or you accept that if a fire ever
starts, the building is lost. They never bothered to install any safety
systems where they should have.


Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2019 05:13 PM

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Don't forget that the entire place was filled with priceless art and artifacts that would be ruined or destroyed by water.


there is no way any Fire Captain want's to be "that guy" who destroyed countless works of art by spraying water all over.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 15, 2019 05:27 PM (JUOKG)

464 I actually saw the Grown of Thorns at Notre Dame many years ago, during one of the brief periods that it was on display.

I assume they MUST have saved it. It would be the very first thing that the priests grab as they run out the door.

* Note: I also saw various Crowns of Thorns in Rome and elsewhere in Italy. Those Crusaders brought back a lot of "relics," not all of which are what they purport to be. But of all of them, the Notre Dame Crown was the most impressive.

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 05:27 PM (5tb4C)

465 the joke is that Orange Man so dumb he thinks Notre Dame refers to the university.

-
Ben Shapiro, the Vanessa Baxter of the cucks.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 05:26 PM (+y/Ru)

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Still a stupid joke. I get it now, but... stupid. Shapiro's a penis.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2019 05:27 PM (AzW6q)

466 Grown of Thorns = Crown of Thorns

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 05:27 PM (5tb4C)

467 408 That does show the serious of the damage.

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 05:27 PM (BbGew)

468 What's this thing with Pence anyway? I never heard him say anything about Buttgeig or gays for that matter.
Posted by: It's me donna at April 15, 2019 05:19 PM (O2RFr)

I'm not totally up on this, but I read that Pence hadn't even said anything about him since, oh, 2015 or so and even then it was complimentary.

It's just scum being scum.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at April 15, 2019 05:27 PM (Urdq9)

469 I think it's a reference to Notre Dame (the University, not the cathedral) and their football program.

Tasteless move, Ben.

---------

Reminds me of the Rabbi who asked Seinfeld if it offends him as a Jew. And Jerry says, it offends me as a comedian.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 05:27 PM (sX1BW)

470 I tried listening to Shapiro on the radio.
The most annoying voice I ever heard, regardless of what he was talking about. Didn't even sound remotely male.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at April 15, 2019 05:28 PM (w7KSn)

471 BREAKING: Former Massachusetts Governor William Weld says he will challenge Trump for 2020 Republican nomination - Reuters
Posted by: Ha at April 15, 2019 05:24 PM (MAstk)

Why? Wendell Wilkie busy?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 15, 2019 05:28 PM (bim/x)

472
Is this covered in any of Nostrdamus Quattrrains??
________________

According to an internet site, this is one of his predictions:

"Notre-Dame is engulfed with flames. Emotion of the whole nation. Thoughts are with Catholics and all the French. Like all citizens, I am sad to see this part of us burn."

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 05:28 PM (fqUgw)

473 Who the fuck even is William Weld?"

JB's cousin.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 05:28 PM (6qErC)

474 I'll be surprised if there is the national will to rebuild.

One of the things that impressed me about the Russians was that they completely rebuilt the Czarist palaces outside of St Petersburg that were leveled in the Second World War.

They may have been communists, but they were also Russians, and it was a way of giving a big FU to the Germans.

We'll see about France.

Posted by: Cucks Everywhere! at April 15, 2019 05:29 PM (I2/tG)

475 If I can't drive somewhere, it's off the list.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at April 15, 2019 05:23 PM (Urdq9)

Still a number of places in the states I want to visit first.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 05:26 PM (rxtQa)

More than enough places to last the rest of my lifetime.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at April 15, 2019 05:29 PM (Urdq9)

476 Ben Tweeted
"Why Doesn't the football team put it out?" President Donald J Trump



What a shitbag

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at April 15, 2019 05:29 PM (dKiJG)

477 Who the fuck even is William Weld?"


Played 3rd base for the Mets when Casey managed them

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 15, 2019 05:29 PM (bim/x)

478 "Western tourists love to gush over the Blue Mosque in Istanbul. Built on the site of a cathedral."

I refused to go in that place. Nothing there I wanted to see, nothing there worth respecting.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at April 15, 2019 05:29 PM (VwHJ2)

479 "What's this thing with Pence anyway? I never heard him say anything about Buttgeig or gays for that matter.

Butplug is a fucking idiot who will go absolutely nowhere in the race. He's a fucking little worm.""

He's trying to goad Pence into an argument. From what I've read, the VP isn't taking the bait.

Posted by: Tuna at April 15, 2019 05:29 PM (Tc0qu)

480 "Those Crusaders brought back a lot of "relics," not all of which are
what they purport to be. But of all of them, the Notre Dame Crown was
the most impressive."


They would not be the first, nor last, tourists to be swindled by the locals.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pick Up a Copy of The Daily Panic at The Outrage Outlet! at April 15, 2019 05:29 PM (MIvvh)

481 Someone just texted me a pic of Tiger's mugshot titled Obama's Tiger and pic of Tiger putting on the green jacket titled Trump's Tiger.

Captioned : Trump truly does make things great again.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 05:29 PM (rxtQa)

482 JB's cousin.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 05:28 PM (6qErC)

--------

Without the stick-to-it-iveness.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2019 05:29 PM (AzW6q)

483 423 I have no words. Studied medieval history at Boston College. Toured the cathedral several times and studied it and its architecture. I don't know what to say. I know that we shouldn't feel this emotional about an inanimate object - but I do. Truly horrible.
Posted by: Publius Redux

We SHOULD feel emotional about it - this building was one of the greatest achievements of Western Civilization, built just when it was beginning to flower. We kept it intact for over 800 years - and not have lost it today. It's worth weeping over.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2019 05:29 PM (Kpl3J)

484 That joke and Shaprio arguing over whether a cathedral is a symbol of Judeo-Christian civilization is a perfect encapsulation of why he's such a twit.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at April 15, 2019 05:30 PM (SkuXa)

485 Buttplug's obsession with Pence probably has to do with Pence being the former governor of Indiana.

Posted by: betty at April 15, 2019 05:30 PM (aUHJk)

486 Visited Paris in '92. Saw Notre Dame then. Glad I had the chance.

Posted by: Puddleglum at April 15, 2019 05:30 PM (pUCs/)

487 Speaking of which: Here's a dumb question I'm hoping any of you military historians (or archery enthusiasts) can answer:

What is the name of the metal pointy tip of an arrow?

"Arrowhead"? I thought that just referred to obsidian neolithic/Native America arrow...ends

Arrow tip? Arrow point? I'm referring to the sharp pointy metal cap, meant to puncture things, placed on the end of the arrow shaft.

L'il help?

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 05:30 PM (5tb4C)

488 The rose window? Gone?
Posted by: Tuna at April 15, 2019 05:21 PM (Tc0qu)
+++++++++++
I imagine all the stained glass is toast. Lead melts at a fairly low temperature. Even if the fire weren't this bad, I suspect the stained glass would be gone.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2019 05:30 PM (I2dne)

489 This changes everything!
Posted by: Cucks Everywhere! at April 15, 2019 05:26 PM (I2/tG)

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LOL


Posted by: Seems Legit at April 15, 2019 05:30 PM (jUVms)

490 413----except for the priests' continually turning their backs on the audience to recite! Why do they do that?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at April 15, 2019 05:19 PM (elsTe)
-----------------------------
The priest is leading the people in the worship of God --- God's position being symbolically at the altar. The focus is on the Transcendent.

In the New Mass the priest leads people in the worship of each other and of him.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 15, 2019 05:30 PM (Rxduq)

491 Any suspects yet?

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at April 15, 2019 05:30 PM (Urdq9)

492 473
Who the fuck even is William Weld?"



JB's cousin.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 05:28 PM (6qErC)

Not cousins, but they shared a special bond.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2019 05:30 PM (t6MX/)

493 While thank God it doesn't happen often if any more in history many cities burnt to the gound in there entirely. Moscow famously in 1812 but even there it happened a few times in history. Here of course San Francisco went up in flames after the earthquake in early 20th century

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 05:30 PM (BbGew)

494 Those Crusaders brought back a lot of "relics," not all of which are what they purport to be.

Rumor has it that you can build a small house out of all the pieces of the "True Cross" that the Crusaders brought back.

Posted by: The ARC of History at April 15, 2019 05:31 PM (I2/tG)

495 To be fair, I think Jonah Goldberg produced or directed a documentary on Notre Dame, so his interest is probably a little more than just "hey, I was a tourist there."

Posted by: Ex-liberal at April 15, 2019 05:31 PM (R1mDg)

496 Donna-

Buttigieg was trying to drag pence into a argument that didn't exist:

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 15, 2019 05:31 PM (FSPNP)

497 Pence had nothing but nice things to say about Buttigig (whatever).

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 15, 2019 05:31 PM (jUVms)

498 496-Sorry; Link

http://tinyurl.com/yy262z7d

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 15, 2019 05:31 PM (FSPNP)

499 Just in - One firefighter fighting the fires at the cathédrale Notre-Dame de #Paris. #NotreDame in #France, has been seriously been injured after falling at a part of the fire! He has been rushed to the hospital.

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#Breaking: Just in - The structure of the Notre Dame Cathedral in #Paris has been saved from total destruction French media are saying and fire department reporting. #NotreDame in #France

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 15, 2019 05:31 PM (Xqo6t)

500 And a place of worship shall be engulfed in flame. The man who married his mother shall lead the grieving.

Posted by: Nostradamas

Fires from hellNot destroyed by HisterProfits followers celebrate
No more gold for the city





Posted by: the Real Nostradmus at April 15, 2019 05:31 PM (Z3zSO)

501 From Ben Shapiro:


"Deleted my tweet joking about Trump and Notre Dame football. Wrong time, obviously. Apologies, all."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 15, 2019 05:31 PM (wYseH)

502 "Arrowhead"? I thought that just referred to obsidian neolithic/Native America arrow...ends

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"Arrowhead" refers to an ignominious house of perfidy ruled over by a corpulent fool named "Andy Reid."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2019 05:32 PM (AzW6q)

503 496 Donna-

Buttigieg was trying to drag pence into a argument that didn't exist:


Got it

Posted by: It's me donna at April 15, 2019 05:32 PM (O2RFr)

504 BREAKING: Former Massachusetts Governor William Weld says he will challenge Trump for 2020 Republican nomination - Reuters

Posted by: Ha at April 15, 2019 05:24 PM


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

*gasp*

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 15, 2019 05:32 PM (Pj/7Q)

505 "Here of course San Francisco went up in flames after the earthquake in early 20th century"

During which time (1906) all the churches burned to the ground and Hotaling's Whiskey (a huge warehouse) was spared.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at April 15, 2019 05:32 PM (w7KSn)

506 My wife made a hunch joke and when I didn't laugh she said, "you've never heard of Quasimodo?".

I said, "It rings a bell."

Then I laughed at her joke just to be on the safe side.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn DA 1977 at April 15, 2019 05:17 PM (/Fmtj)


An old, old New Yorker cartoon shows a hunchback and a young woman sitting under a big bell. Hunchback looks sad. Caption: "I'm not even a real Modo."

Posted by: Gref at April 15, 2019 05:33 PM (AMIL/)

507 Quasimoto is now homeless

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at April 15, 2019 05:33 PM (wGqjj)

508 To be fair, I think Jonah Goldberg produced or directed a documentary on Notre Dame, so his interest is probably a little more than just "hey, I was a tourist there."
Posted by: Ex-liberal at April 15, 2019 05:31 PM (R1mDg)

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I think it's time to put tribalism to the side, and admit that both the church and the fire were wrong.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2019 05:33 PM (AzW6q)

509 L'il help?

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 05:30 PM (5tb4C)

If it's points, it's "field points." If it has blades, typically "broadhead." Both are "arrow heads," as are many of the small game heads like "blunts."

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2019 05:33 PM (t6MX/)

510 I didn't see this coming.

Posted by: @The RealRealNostradamus at April 15, 2019 05:33 PM (aS1PU)

511 Pence has said ( paraphrasing here) he had no idea why Buttaguy has a beef with him, he worked well with him as Governor.

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 05:33 PM (BbGew)

512 Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 05:30 PM (5tb4C)

It's arrowhead. Hadn't changed.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 05:34 PM (rxtQa)

513 The greater the destruction, the more difficult to determine the cause of the blaze.

Any video yet of crowds of non-specific creed cheering?

Posted by: davidt at April 15, 2019 05:35 PM (+IOFD)

514 Buttgag is trying to create out of thin air a hate crime by VP Pence, that of verbally dissing Mayor Buttgag.

So Buttgag is the JussieSmollett of politicians.

Posted by: Boots at April 15, 2019 05:35 PM (e9omi)

515 204
Also, it can't be a good sign that this Icon of Christianity is burning down during Holy Week.



Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage!



This does strike me as a particularly evil omen.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 15, 2019 04:53 PM (AM1GF)

+++
This is my thought as well.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 15, 2019 05:35 PM (aWjrD)

516 Pence has said ( paraphrasing here) he had no idea why Buttaguy has a beef with him, he worked well with him as Governor.

Its a good response, but he and we know why: its a way of getting noticed, its publicity for a small time unknown with a stupid weird name.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 05:35 PM (39g3+)

517 I am a Scandi from Utah, vacationing in Paris. My husband, daughter, and I watched the cathedral burn. So so sad.

Posted by: Elliot m at April 15, 2019 05:35 PM (2pmjB)

518 I have always wanted to do a cathedral tour of Europe. Now might be the time. I'll have to cross Notre Dame off my list, sadly. I wish I could have seen it.

I hope 499 is as optimistic as it sounds and that they can repair - as opposed to rebuild - it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2019 05:35 PM (I2dne)

519 509 L'il help?

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 05:30 PM (5tb4C)

If it's points, it's "field points." If it has blades, typically "broadhead." Both are "arrow heads," as are many of the small game heads like "blunts."
Posted by: flounder


What would you call a very old one (date unknown) that is just a straight-up plain ol' conical point? Nothing fancy, no 'blades" or anything.

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 05:35 PM (5tb4C)

520 Has Jonah Goldberg or Cap'n Bill posted a pic posing in front of Notre Dame yet?

And once again, I'm so sick to death of people who can't wait to call a US news outlet to cry-brag about being in Paris and watching the cathedral burn. "Just yesterday, we were eating croissant along the Seine after touring Notre Dame. I just can't even now." And as a woman cry-bragging to Shep! said, "Well, we're off to London tomorrow."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 05:36 PM (ptqGC)

521 512 Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 05:30 PM (5tb4C)

It's arrowhead. Hadn't changed.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation


That makes it easy. Thx.

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 05:36 PM (5tb4C)

522 What would you call a very old one (date unknown)
that is just a straight-up plain ol' conical point? Nothing fancy, no
'blades" or anything.

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 05:35 PM (5tb4C)

Bodkin?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2019 05:37 PM (t6MX/)

523 Pence has said ( paraphrasing here) he had no idea why Buttaguy has a beef with him, he worked well with him as Governor.

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 05:33 PM (BbGew)

Because Mayor Petey has to differentiate himself from the rest of the Democrats, and his thing is gay gay gay and Pence is a Christian.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pick Up a Copy of The Daily Panic at The Outrage Outlet! at April 15, 2019 05:37 PM (MIvvh)

524 Church vandalism reported on here...

European Churches: Vandalized, Defecated On, and Torched "Every Day"

Countless churches throughout Western Europe are being vandalized, defecated on, and torched.

In
France, two churches are desecrated every day on average. According to
PI-News, a German news site, 1,063 attacks on Christian churches or
symbols (crucifixes, icons, statues) were registered in France in 2018.
This represents a 17% increase compared to the previous year (2017),
when 878 attacks were registered -- meaning that such attacks are only
going from bad to worse.
.
.
It's a good conservative site but there are alot of ads on the page so using an adblocker is recommended:
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y3q2mkpf

Posted by: andycanuck at April 15, 2019 05:37 PM (Dh1wo)

525 496
Donna-



Buttigieg was trying to drag pence into a argument that didn't exist:





Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 15, 2019 05:31 PM (FSPNP)

+++
This seems to be the standard M.O. of the left.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 15, 2019 05:37 PM (aWjrD)

526 Double that candy order!

Posted by: Gaza Confectioners, Inc. at April 15, 2019 05:37 PM (I2/tG)

527 I saw pics of firemen inside. Their strategy was not to collapse the whole building, so I think we should reserve judgment.Never saw the pics of the Nazi attack before. That makes me feel better for some reason. It better not be ecumenical or PC or I swear....I'll become Protestant!

Posted by: pj at April 15, 2019 05:37 PM (qlTN9)

528 Why? Wendell Wilkie busy?
Posted by: Nevergiveup

My money's on Harold Stassen.

Posted by: Miklos, a punter at April 15, 2019 05:37 PM (zCyNd)

529 Buttgag is trying to create out of thin air a hate crime by VP Pence, that of verbally dissing Mayor Buttgag.

So Buttgag is the JussieSmollett of politicians.
Posted by: Boots at April 15, 2019 05:35 PM (e9omi)

--------

It turns out the Real Hero of 2019 was the gay hoax-peddling charlatans we met along the way!

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at April 15, 2019 05:38 PM (AzW6q)

530 478 "Western tourists love to gush over the Blue Mosque in Istanbul. Built on the site of a cathedral."

I refused to go in that place. Nothing there I wanted to see, nothing there worth respecting.
____________

A few years ago, when Christie was calling Americans who opposed the proposed Ground Zero victory mosque a bunch of "bigots" I was hoping some patriots would string that guy up.

Seriously, WTF is wrong with these people? (And by people, I mean people like Christie. We know what's wrong with the muzzies.)

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 15, 2019 05:38 PM (fqUgw)

531 517 I am a Scandi from Utah, vacationing in Paris. My husband, daughter, and I watched the cathedral burn. So so sad.
Posted by: Elliot m at April 15, 2019 05:35 PM (2pmjB)

Do you have a sense of how the Parisians are taking this?

Posted by: JONcelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 05:38 PM (RD7QR)

532 Arrowhead, Shaft, Fletching and Nock.

Actually sounds like sexual terms.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 05:39 PM (rxtQa)

533 you know, never especially cared for the cathedral. the flying buttress is a really inelegant solution to an embarrassing issue.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 05:39 PM (MTjB1)

534 Its good for Trump to get some practice on a lightweight before taking on the Dem lightweight.

What do you think the 2016 field composition was?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 15, 2019 05:39 PM (lD3vL)

535 A young Tuesday Weld could give Trump a run for his money, IYKWIM.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2019 05:39 PM (r+sAi)

536 IIRC Pence once wanted safe sex promotion put into a bill relating to AIDs research (or something similar) but the wording was vague and obviously what he really meant was using conversion therapy to eliminate gay people because duh.

Buttplug is just playing to his base with one of those left wing conspiracy theories that don't exist.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at April 15, 2019 05:39 PM (SkuXa)

537 by the cathedral I mean the cathedral generally as a style.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 05:39 PM (MTjB1)

538
A young Tuesday Weld could give Trump a run for his money, IYKWIM.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2019 05:39 PM (r+sAi)

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Nah. He'd make her sign an NDA.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2019 05:40 PM (AzW6q)

539 "What's this thing with Pence anyway? I never heard him say anything about Buttgeig or gays for that matter.

Butplug is a fucking idiot who will go absolutely nowhere in the race. He's a fucking little worm.""

He's trying to goad Pence into an argument. From what I've read, the VP isn't taking the bait.
Posted by: Tuna at April 15, 2019 05:29 PM (Tc0qu)


Buttplug will keep ramping it up until he challenges Pence into having sex with him to prove he is not a bigot.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 15, 2019 05:40 PM (1g7ch)

540 Never saw the pics of the Nazi attack before"

Never did. That's another Notre Dame.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 05:40 PM (6qErC)

541 I'm available.

Posted by: Tom Builder at April 15, 2019 05:40 PM (v0R5T)

542 Do you have a sense of how the Parisians are taking this?

Posted by: JONcelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 05:38 PM (RD7QR)

I saw a video on twitter of a bunch of people singing...some even on their knees. I actually believe one guy had a rosary!

I'll see if I can find it....

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 05:41 PM (cF8AT)

543 Over at ZeroHedge, there's a night image of Notre Dame with flames being seen inside through the main rose window.

It's like a movie. Unreal. It makes want to cry.

Posted by: the Real Nostradmus at April 15, 2019 05:41 PM (Z3zSO)

544 L'il help?

Arrowhead is the general term for the metal tip of an arrow as well as for flint or stone arrowheads. Some medieval subtypes include bodkin points and broadheads, which could penetrate armor. Anyway, go ahead and use "arrowhead" for any type of sharp tip attached to an arrow shaft.

Posted by: Basement Cat at April 15, 2019 05:41 PM (pPNCa)

545 Arrowhead, Shaft, Fletching and Nock.

And the arrowhead can be a 'field tip' (for targets) or a 'broad head' (for hunting)..

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 15, 2019 05:41 PM (lD3vL)

546 541 I'm available.
Posted by: Tom Builder


I loved the first of the series. the other two, not so much

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 15, 2019 05:42 PM (d7Ww2)

547 other than being beautiful, did notre dame even matter any more as a church?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 05:42 PM (MTjB1)

548 Buttaguy also says he is a Christian.

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 05:42 PM (BbGew)

549 "This isn't going to be one of those fires where the investigators can point to the hot spot and say "oh, here's where it was set".
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 15, 2019 04:46 PM (fuK7c)"

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And what if they find that's exactly how it happened?

Swept under the rugs of elite Parisian salons?

Posted by: Decaf at April 15, 2019 05:42 PM (PUz4C)

550 I hope that the cathedral at Chartres, Bishop Suger's great work, is currently surrounded by a French armoured division, if they have one.

Posted by: Miklos, on the safe side at April 15, 2019 05:42 PM (zCyNd)

551 Wonder if like almost everywhere else Notre Dame had security cameras.

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 05:43 PM (BbGew)

552 I hope that the cathedral at Chartres, Bishop Suger's great work, is currently surrounded by a French armoured division, if they have one.
Posted by: Miklos, on the safe side at A



what he said

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 05:43 PM (MTjB1)

553 Speaking of which: Here's a dumb question I'm hoping any of you military historians (or archery enthusiasts) can answer:

What is the name of the metal pointy tip of an arrow?

"Arrowhead"? I thought that just referred to obsidian neolithic/Native America arrow...ends

Arrow tip? Arrow point? I'm referring to the sharp pointy metal cap, meant to puncture things, placed on the end of the arrow shaft.

L'il help?
Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 05:30 PM (5tb4C)


Tip and point work well. You can even use 'head' too.

field tip/point
broad head

Posted by: Oral Roberts at April 15, 2019 05:43 PM (1g7ch)

554 Update: Commenters tell me the saints sacrements are the sanctified hosts, the wafers, given at communion. Ah.


But the wine! What about the wine?!?

Posted by: clutch cargo at April 15, 2019 05:43 PM (sLicW)

555 532 Arrowhead, Shaft, Fletching and Nock.

Actually sounds like sexual terms.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation


Now I need to take a cold shower.

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 05:43 PM (5tb4C)

556 Buttaguy also says he is a Christian.
Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 05:42 PM (BbGew)


That doesn't make it so.

Posted by: DR.WTF at April 15, 2019 05:43 PM (aS1PU)

557 JONcelli, here's the video:

https://tinyurl.com/y4day2or

Also came across this while looking for the video:

@JakubKrupa 3 minutes ago

BREAKING: Macron announces national subscription and calls for help from around the world to rebuild Notre Dame.

Ummm....

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 05:43 PM (cF8AT)

558
I hope that the cathedral at Chartres, Bishop Suger's great work, is
currently surrounded by a French armoured division, if they have one.

Posted by: Miklos, on the safe side at April 15, 2019 05:42 PM (zCyNd)


Lol. A couple of gendarme in Renaults carrying nightsticks with the thing that goes up.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 05:44 PM (ptqGC)

559 And what if they find that's exactly how it happened?

Swept under the rugs of elite Parisian salons?
Posted by: Decaf at April 15, 2019 05:42 PM (PUz4C)

Psst.

Dreyfus.

Posted by: Ilhan Omar (D-Mogadishu et banlieus) at April 15, 2019 05:44 PM (zCyNd)

560 oops. sock off.

Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 05:44 PM (Z3zSO)

561 544 L'il help?

Arrowhead is the general term for the metal tip of an arrow as well as for flint or stone arrowheads. Some medieval subtypes include bodkin points and broadheads, which could penetrate armor. Anyway, go ahead and use "arrowhead" for any type of sharp tip attached to an arrow shaft.
Posted by: Basement Cat


Thank you!

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 05:45 PM (5tb4C)

562 A couple of years ago, a muzzie beheaded a priest in a French church, during the Mass.

You'd think that would have been a clue to the authorities that Roman Catholics and their symbols were under assault.

Posted by: Boots at April 15, 2019 05:45 PM (e9omi)

563 other than being beautiful, did notre dame even matter any more as a church?
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 05:42 PM (MTjB1)
++++++++++
Cathedrals always matter. They're provincial seats of power for the Church, and that's a pretty big one. And it being Lent and coming up on Easter, I imagine they were quite busy.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2019 05:45 PM (I2dne)

564 Regarding "Involuntary destruction by fire" I think we should be careful with translating because that might actually be a term of art in French law.

I don't know that so I think best to wait.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pick Up a Copy of The Daily Panic at The Outrage Outlet! at April 15, 2019 05:45 PM (MIvvh)

565 Have Ruptly live
https://youtu.be/tWLO72hO9WQ
A group is singing, a hymn maybe

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 05:46 PM (BbGew)

566 Honestly, if "professionals" aren't going to risk their lives to save
one of France's greatest treasures, what the fuck good are they?



Broward county is looking for that kind of professional in their fire department to complement Sheriff Israels deputies. That way if the next shooter is also an arsonist - both departments can stay in the parking lot writing reports in triplicate while children trapped in the building scream. Then, both those groups of professionals can file for disability when they say those screams gave them PTSD.

Posted by: An Observation at April 15, 2019 05:46 PM (KoBpR)

567 L'il help?

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 05:30 PM (5tb4C)



LOL, everyone is right. Point. All the other parts of the arrow have nifty names (save for the shaft). Fletching, nock, cresting.

Posted by: clutch cargo at April 15, 2019 05:46 PM (sLicW)

568 BREAKING: Macron announces national subscription and calls for help from around the world to rebuild Notre Dame.

Ummm....
Posted by: Tami

Let's contribute workers (Catholic, at least).

Posted by: Illegal Immigrant Center #116 at April 15, 2019 05:46 PM (zCyNd)

569 JONcelli,
At first they seemed stunned. Then groups gathered and started to sing hymns.
I saw an elderly nun make her way to the front of the crowd and just shake her head. It was poignant.

Posted by: Elliot m at April 15, 2019 05:46 PM (2pmjB)

570 Arrowhead"? I thought that just referred to obsidian neolithic/Native America arrow...ends

Arrow tip? Arrow point? I'm referring to the sharp pointy metal cap, meant to puncture things, placed on the end of the arrow shaft.

L'il help?
Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 05:30 PM (5tb4C)


Tip and point work well. You can even use 'head' too.

field tip/point
broad head

Posted by: Oral Roberts


Target point.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 15, 2019 05:47 PM (uAgHA)

571 saints sacrements

would not be the eucharist. It would be relics as you first supposed. The eucharist has nothing at all to do with saints.

Posted by: dagny at April 15, 2019 05:47 PM (nRWPy)

572 Wasn't me.

Posted by: Zombie Nero at April 15, 2019 05:47 PM (+IOFD)

573 570 Arrowhead"? I thought that just referred to obsidian neolithic/Native America arrow...ends

Arrow tip? Arrow point? I'm referring to the sharp pointy metal cap, meant to puncture things, placed on the end of the arrow shaft.

L'il help?
Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 05:30 PM (5tb4C)


Tip and point work well. You can even use 'head' too.

field tip/point
broad head

Posted by: Oral Roberts

Target point.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 15, 2019 05:47 PM (uAgHA)

penis head

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 05:48 PM (GBteo)

574 The fire was in the roof structure, oak timbers over 1,000 years old, and between the lead-sheathed roof above and the stone caulted ceiling below.

The ceiling stones fell to the floor 300 feet below, fatal missles every one. A fire such as this one could not be fought or contained.

When such cathedrals were built in the 300-year period starting about 1000 A.D., the hoisting of everything, timbers, lead sheets, stone for ceilings, and more, was done using what, in effect, looked like a kingsized man-driven hamster wheel.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 15, 2019 05:48 PM (+fPHo)

575 So that link Ace posted in the sidebar about the woman who was involved in a terror plot to blow up Notre Dame Cathedral being sentenced this past Friday? And the fact that there are witnesses who heard two explosions before the fire started? Coincidence, I'm sure.

Don't want to be one of those crazy conspiracy theorists who believe stuff like, say, Obama ordered the Feds to spy on Trump before he was elected. That would be CRAZY.

Posted by: Joseph Dickerson at April 15, 2019 05:48 PM (LDV7V)

576 wait, what are we talking about?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 15, 2019 05:48 PM (GBteo)

577 Wonder how Fox determine the composition of Bernie's town hall tonight ??

Posted by: REDACTED at April 15, 2019 05:48 PM (RZ6R1)

578 wait, what are we talking about?"

Kansas City, I think.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 05:49 PM (6qErC)

579 penis head
Posted by: Harry Paratestes


You're one to talk.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 15, 2019 05:49 PM (uAgHA)

580 Silly people. Arrowhead is a stadium in Kansas City. duh.

Posted by: Jewells45 at April 15, 2019 05:49 PM (dUJdY)

581 BREAKING: Macron announces national subscription and calls for help from around the world to rebuild Notre Dame.
........

I'm sure Iran, Syria, Afghanistan and Libya will be happy to donate sand.

Posted by: wth at April 15, 2019 05:49 PM (v0R5T)

582 RE the sidebar point about "non arson" - I wonder if the default mode is to assume that it isn't arson and investigate. If you find evidence to the contrary, then change the focus of the investigation. This would seem to make sense - most fires aren't arson, so why assume arson?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2019 05:49 PM (I2dne)

583 the priests' continually turning their backs on the audience to recite! Why do they do that?


Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
Bishops and dioceses have been knocking down fine old RC churches all over the country, and re-organizing their congregations to split them up, over this theological issue. It has come nearly to blows, and to occupation and eviction, at several places, including Boston.

To old line Catholics, it's right at the heart of the godless commies taking over the Church. I'm not RC, but their fake "Spirit of Vatican II" interrupted my public school Latin career (local priests had enough pull with Bd of Educ to get Latin cancelled, because it had become an embarrassment to them). That interruption cost me actual money in college, and I shall never forgive them.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 15, 2019 05:50 PM (8ZmvG)

584 Story on Muslims celebrating the Notre Dame fire on JihadWatch.

Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 05:50 PM (Z3zSO)

585 Some interesting factoids:

Since 987, the kings of France were all crowned in Reims Cathedral, with the exception of Hugh Capet, Robert II, Louis VI, John I, Henry IV and Louis XVIII.

On December 16, 1431, Henry VI of England was crowned as "King of France" in the Notre Dame de Paris.

During the First French Empire, Emperor Napoleon I and Empress Josephine were crowned in December 1804 in an extremely elaborate ritual presided over by Pope Pius VII and conducted at the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris.

Posted by: Gref at April 15, 2019 05:50 PM (AMIL/)

586 BREAKING: Macron announces national subscription and calls for help from around the world to rebuild Notre Dame.
........

I'm sure Iran, Syria, Afghanistan and Libya will be happy to donate sand.
Posted by: wth at April 15, 2019 05:49 PM (v0R5T)

Using stones from the Bamyan Buddhas would be a great COEXIST opportunity.

Posted by: Miklos, not in great mood at April 15, 2019 05:50 PM (zCyNd)

587 >>>I'm sure Iran, Syria, Afghanistan and Libya will be happy to donate sand.
Posted by: wth at April 15, 2019 05:49 PM (v0R5T)

Why not stained glass?

Posted by: Max Power at April 15, 2019 05:51 PM (q177U)

588 "most fires aren't arson, so why assume arson?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2019 05:49 PM (I2dne)"
It's the prior attempt and Friday's sentencing that is really raising red flags.

Posted by: lurker (the other one. buy radios too) at April 15, 2019 05:51 PM (eAshZ)

589 516 Pence has said ( paraphrasing here) he had no idea why Buttaguy has a beef with him, he worked well with him as Governor.

Was his exact phrase, "what crawled up his a55?"

Posted by: Downcast at April 15, 2019 05:51 PM (2p/I6)

590
428 Ben Shapiro tweeted out "why doesn't the football team put it out?" He deleted the tweet.

--------

I don't get the joke.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

Trump's been to Paris I'm sure a couple of hundred times and they think he doesn't know what ND Cathedral is?

Posted by: Dirks Strewn DA 1977 at April 15, 2019 05:52 PM (/Fmtj)

591 Why not stained glass?
Posted by: Max Power


Mmmmm....

Posted by: Force de Frappe at April 15, 2019 05:52 PM (zCyNd)

592 "Western tourists love to gush over the Blue Mosque in Istanbul. Built on the site of a cathedral."

I refused to go in that place. Nothing there I wanted to see, nothing there worth respecting.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at April 15, 2019 05:29 PM (VwHJ2)


I don't know where you got that quote, but it is wrong. The Blue Mosque was built on the site of one of the palaces of the Byzantine Emperors, the Great Palace. Which was their primary residence until 1204 when the Venetians took the city. Over the next 47 years the palace was mostly ruined by neglect (Baldwin II, the last Latin Emperor, actually removed and sold what remained of the lead roofing). When Michael Palaeologos re-took the city in 1261, the Great Palace was in such bad shape that he moved the Imperial residence to another palace within the city (the Blachernae Palace).

The Blue Mosque is, however, near the Hagia Sophia, which was the patriarchal cathedral of Constantinople until 1453, then a mosque until 1935, when Ataturk turned it into a museum.

Posted by: HTL at April 15, 2019 05:52 PM (xOOs/)

593 It's the prior attempt and Friday's sentencing that is really raising red flags.
Posted by: lurker (the other one. buy radios too) at April 15, 2019 05:51 PM (eAshZ)
+++++++++
Oh, sure. Plus Paris's general troubles. But even with those, I imagine the fire investigators are going to follow protocol and it wouldn't surprise me at all if the protocol is "do not assume arson."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2019 05:52 PM (I2dne)

594 RE the sidebar point about "non arson" - I wonder if the default mode is to assume that it isn't arson and investigate. If you find evidence to the contrary, then change the focus of the investigation. This would seem to make sense - most fires aren't arson, so why assume arson?
Posted by: Joe Mannix


Yup. It could also destroy a prosecution if they start out with incorrect statements if it later turned out to actually be a criminal act

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 15, 2019 05:52 PM (uAgHA)

595 zombie, in modern parlance there are broadheads, for hunting, and field points, for target practice.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 15, 2019 05:52 PM (8ZmvG)

596
Using stones from the Bamyan Buddhas would be a great COEXIST opportunity.
--

Nah. If it's up to the Red Pope, he'll have a whole section rebuilt inside for our muslim brothers to worship.


Or he'll just rebuild it, and give it all to them except for a small chapel in the basement.

Yes, I am that cynical.

Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 05:53 PM (Z3zSO)

597 damn it, sock off.


White man words for indian / native american arrows

- hunting arrow with vertical head
- war arrow with horizontal head


as seen in movies

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 15, 2019 05:53 PM (1g7ch)

598 What is the name of the metal pointy tip of an arrow?

"Arrowhead"? I thought that just referred to obsidian neolithic/Native America arrow...ends

Arrow tip? Arrow point? I'm referring to the sharp pointy metal cap, meant to puncture things, placed on the end of the arrow shaft.

L'il help?


Arrowhead.

Pile is an alternate term for medieval heads, particularly crossbow bolts.

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 15, 2019 05:53 PM (bZ7mE)

599
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 15, 2019 05:49 PM (I2dne)

-------

All of what you said makes sense.

COUNTERPOINT: The media is saying it isn't arson, and every word that falls from their lips is a lie.

But yeah, aside from that, who really knows?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2019 05:54 PM (AzW6q)

600 Fletching, nock, cresting.

Posted by: clutch cargo

Careful with the first one.

Posted by: Mayor Buttgig at April 15, 2019 05:54 PM (zCyNd)

601 Weld/Romney 2020!!! Make America Massachusetts on Steroids!

Posted by: ShainS -- PhD candidate in Angry Orange Male studies at April 15, 2019 05:54 PM (es5Qa)

602 Latest hate speech to be avoided: "Chick flick" is now verboten.

Netflix Film
@NetflixFilm
Quick PSA: Can we stop calling films "chick flicks" unless the films are literally about small baby chickens? Here's why this phrase should absolutely be retired (thread):

There aren't sweeping categories specific to men. You don't hear people asking to watch "man movies" - instead, pretty much every intersection of genre is on the table and seen as for men, except of course, the aforementioned rom-coms.

-
Oh, I think there are man flicks, alright. I haven't heard many chicks talk about how great Saving Private Ryan was.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 05:54 PM (+y/Ru)

603 The ceiling stones fell to the floor 300 feet below, fatal missles every one. A fire such as this one could not be fought or contained. 

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 15, 2019 05:48 PM (+fPHo)

Admittedly, the sheer size of Notre Dame plus the old architecture makes this plausible. I hoped the firefighters would have a plan, especially considering how long the fire was burning, but hindsight is 20/20.

The thing is, France is already a powder keg for nationalism vs globalism. People mistrust their elite experts, if they don't loathe the experts and wish for death/ deportation. On top of the history of church fires... it won't matter if there is a responsible party or not. An errant spark could send France up in flames. President Trump hates Macron and might happily provide that spark to burn down the Fifth Republic.

Interesting times.

Posted by: trev006 at April 15, 2019 05:55 PM (6n54H)

604 Yup. It could also destroy a prosecution if they start out with incorrect statements if it later turned out to actually be a criminal act
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 15, 2019 05:52 PM (uAgHA)

Nope, they follow the code of Napoleon there.

You are innocent until proven guilty.

Posted by: Don Q at April 15, 2019 05:55 PM (NgKpN)

605 the priests' continually turning their backs on the audience to recite! Why do they do that?/i


You mean why did they do that? Because they were supposed to face east and face the altar. Novus Ordo has the priest face west in pre vatican II churches to face the people. And they aren't "reciting" they're consecrating.

Posted by: dagny at April 15, 2019 05:55 PM (nRWPy)

606 It's the prior attempt and Friday's sentencing that is really raising red flags.
Posted by: lurker

It's not like some people did something at the World Trade Center, before that, um, other time.

Posted by: Ilhan Omar (D-Mogadishu) at April 15, 2019 05:55 PM (zCyNd)

607 Flying buttresses "joke", Klassy.

Posted by: betty at April 15, 2019 05:56 PM (aUHJk)

608 wait, what are we talking about?"

Kansas City, I think.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 05:49 PM (6qErC)

So faggots?

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at April 15, 2019 05:56 PM (Urdq9)

609

99% of the workers doing the renovation would have been laborers imported from Turkey and North Africa in the last 10 years. Just saying.

Posted by: Swalloswell/Buttplug 2019 at April 15, 2019 05:57 PM (gqxu1)

610 #275

Another reason to avoid the Twatter, but still can't.

All of the curse words just kind of get mixed up at a certain point.

That point was 2 hrs ago.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 15, 2019 05:57 PM (uAgHA)

611 Using stones from the Bamyan Buddhas would be a great COEXIST opportunity.
Posted by: Miklos, not in great mood at April 15, 2019 05:50 PM (zCyNd)

Blocks from the Dome of the Rock?

Posted by: golfman at April 15, 2019 05:57 PM (OE84+)

612 569 JONcelli,
At first they seemed stunned. Then groups gathered and started to sing hymns.
I saw an elderly nun make her way to the front of the crowd and just shake her head. It was poignant.
Posted by: Elliot m at April 15, 2019 05:46 PM (2pmjB)

Thanks for the video. It's good to see that some people besides us care about this.

Posted by: JONcelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 05:58 PM (RD7QR)

613 Yes, I am that cynical.
Posted by: shibumi

Me too.

Read with extreme cynical prejudice.

Posted by: Miklos, out squaring out the tzampotli expansion at April 15, 2019 05:58 PM (zCyNd)

614 So faggots?
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at April 15, 2019 05:56 PM (Urdq9)


Hey now!

Posted by: Jewells45 at April 15, 2019 05:58 PM (dUJdY)

615 Buttaguy also says he is a Christian.
Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 05:42 PM (BbGew)

Ye will know them by their deeds.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at April 15, 2019 05:59 PM (Urdq9)

616 As for French troops surrounding the cathedral at Chartres, of course I forget the exact figures, but a stunning % of what's left of the standing military ground forces of both France and Italy, in recent years, spent a lot of their time guarding ...... Jewish targets in both countries. This may ebb and flow with events, water temperature, and intel, but it was an amazing number.


Reflecting both the security situation for Jewish targets, and the military situation for the two countries.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 15, 2019 05:59 PM (QDnY+)

617 Nope, they follow the code of Napoleon there.

You are innocent until proven guilty.
Posted by: Don Q


Nothing you've written connects with my statement.

That said:

I'd love a system that considers the prosecution guilty until proven innocent.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 15, 2019 05:59 PM (uAgHA)

618 seeing we're talking about arrowheads - remember the word "warhead" comes from Medieval days, to reference when you'd use the most lethal tips on your arrows, as opposed to say Bird Points, which would be very light.

And I believe one important distinction between a "warhead" and a standard hunting point is the the Warheads will have the typical Arrowhead shape we know, with two broadly spaced backwards pointing tips making it very difficult and destructive to pull out. A hunting point would be more of a sharp edged pointed oval, a hunter wants to be able to pull his arrow out quickly without damaging it, so he can reuse it right away.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 15, 2019 05:59 PM (Kpl3J)

619 Veuillez nous excuser pour notre crétin orange.

Posted by: Rene at April 15, 2019 05:59 PM (8QpYQ)

620 "Blocks from the Dome of the Rock?"

Nope. Those are slated to line a waste pond for a hog farm.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at April 15, 2019 05:59 PM (VwHJ2)

621 I have a vague memory from when I was about 3 or 4 getting away from my parents at church and walking up on the altar behind the priest while his back was turned. I just stood there staring at his robes....

Dad snatched me away fairly quickly.

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 06:00 PM (cF8AT)

622 So faggots?
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at April 15, 2019 05:56 PM (Urdq9)

Hey now!
Posted by: Jewells45 at April 15, 2019 05:58 PM (dUJdY)

I detect a young'un.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at April 15, 2019 06:00 PM (Urdq9)

623 Any fatalities?

Posted by: davidt at April 15, 2019 06:00 PM (+IOFD)

624 Blocks from the Dome of the Rock?
Posted by: golfman

The Moon God rock would do as a mudscraper at the entrance.

Posted by: Miklos, least happy happy hour in memory at April 15, 2019 06:00 PM (zCyNd)

625 Trump did nothing to help France ! Presdent Obama would have sent Air Tankers and the fire wood have been out in 10 minutes !!! Once again Trump screwed up big time !!!!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at April 15, 2019 06:01 PM (qM84C)

626 I wonder if they can rebuild Notre Damn faster than it took us to rebuild at the World Trade Center?

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 15, 2019 06:01 PM (Xqo6t)

627 Blocks from the Dome of the Rock?
Posted by: golfman at April 15, 2019 05:57 PM (OE84+)

If the used the black rock thing in the grand Mosque the silver urinal in the corner could be used for

a urinal.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 15, 2019 06:01 PM (1g7ch)

628 If I hear "Iconic" again because they won't say "sacred"....

Posted by: dagny at April 15, 2019 06:01 PM (nRWPy)

629 If a construction accident can only think to the guy or guys that caused it, your only job not to do was get the building razed to the ground.

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 06:02 PM (BbGew)

630 It has just been revealed that Boeing designed the fire suppression system in the cathedral. Except engineers have just realized that it will set the building on fire if it gets a faulty reading from a smoke detector. Then keep reigniting the building if firefighters put it out

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 15, 2019 06:02 PM (dNzKv)

631 I detect a young'un.

I'm 29 just like the rest of you guys.

Posted by: Jewells45 at April 15, 2019 06:02 PM (dUJdY)

632 The volume of tut-tutting from PC-cowed 'conservatives' regarding arson speculation is getting to be pretty disgusting, particularly with how they don't change their tune after being filled in on why people are suspecting it.

And I apologize to everyone stuck behind the lines, but it's primarily coming from CA and NY.

Posted by: lurker (the other one. buy radios too) at April 15, 2019 06:03 PM (eAshZ)

633 627 Blocks from the Dome of the Rock?
Posted by: golfman at April 15, 2019 05:57 PM (OE84+)

If the used the black rock thing in the grand Mosque the silver urinal in the corner could be used for

a urinal.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 15, 2019 06:01 PM (1g7ch)

Better to shatter the rock, as it makes pretty much the entire claim of Islam to be invalid.

Posted by: Hikaru at April 15, 2019 06:03 PM (pgXNG)

634 Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at April 15, 2019 06:01 PM (qM84C)

Mary is SO RIGHT!!!

His Russian "girlfriends" could have put out!

The fire, I mean.

Posted by: Concerned Woman of Brattleboro at April 15, 2019 06:03 PM (zCyNd)

635 BTW...did y'all hear Trump campaign has raised $30 mil in the first quarter? More than Bernie and Kamala combined.

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 06:03 PM (cF8AT)

636 Nood CPL

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2019 06:04 PM (AzW6q)

637 [i[]Oh, I think there are man flicks, alright. I haven't heard many chicks talk about how great Saving Private Ryan was.

I imagine that pr0nhub would have an inventory of "man flicks".

A good test would be this, after someone watches a certain movie and that person says:

"I went through a whole box of Kleenex"

If it is a woman, its a chick flick.
If it is a man, its a man flick.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at April 15, 2019 06:04 PM (lD3vL)

638 zombie, with crossbows a bolt with four-sided tip is a quarrel. This also became the name for the bolt itself.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 15, 2019 06:04 PM (PC5Ge)

639 Votre belle cathédrale sera reconstruite et nous catapulterons le moron orange dans la mer. Nous sommes desoles.

Posted by: Rene at April 15, 2019 06:04 PM (8QpYQ)

640 If I hear "Iconic" again because they won't say "sacred"....
Posted by: dagny at April 15, 2019 06:01 PM


You'll engage in shenanigans?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 15, 2019 06:06 PM (PC5Ge)

641 IF this is Muslim terror, to me it still isn't as outrageous as the Charlie Hebdo atrocity. Did we ever pay the jihadis back for that one? Not enough.

Posted by: gp Put Down Roots In A Sh!thole at April 15, 2019 06:06 PM (mk9aG)

642 They are types of arrowheads but the end of the arrow is called the arrowhead when breaking down the parts of an arrow.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 06:06 PM (2DOZq)

643 Yes, I am that cynical.
Posted by: shibumi


You are too young to be so cynical.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 15, 2019 06:08 PM (PC5Ge)

644 I was doing renovations

and burnt the place to the ground.

Smoke on the Water,

And fire in the sky.

Posted by: Some Stupid with a Flare Gun at April 15, 2019 06:12 PM (cCxiu)

645 I'm sure this has been mentioned here hundreds of thousands of times before, but there is simply no way this is not arson. The cathedral that houses the Crown of Thorns burning down at the start of Holy Week is too much of a coincidence to have occured accidentally.

Posted by: Surfperch at April 15, 2019 06:15 PM (tVQUs)

646 587 >>>I'm sure Iran, Syria, Afghanistan and Libya will be happy to donate sand.
Posted by: wth at April 15, 2019 05:49 PM (v0R5T)

Why not stained glass?


Trinitite only comes in green.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - It's OK, I'm with the banned at April 15, 2019 06:22 PM (0bu2O)

647 Saint sacrament is the Eucharist in French

Posted by: Xaver Basora at April 15, 2019 06:30 PM (DmRrG)

648 At least the all the works of art have been saved, the treasures of the cathedral are intact, the crown of thorns, and the saints sacraments.
I understand when the very larger, new Grand Mosque will be built on the property, a small room will be built in the basement to hold these artifacts. Not certain if the room will be open to the public however.

Posted by: melskia1944 at April 15, 2019 06:50 PM (bD2nl)

649 Posted by: Rene at April 15, 2019 06:04 PM (8QpYQ)

Okay, that was funny.

Posted by: Red headed 'ette at April 15, 2019 06:54 PM (5Q+j+)

650 641 IF this is Muslim terror, to me it still isn't as outrageous as the Charlie Hebdo atrocity. Did we ever pay the jihadis back for that one? Not enough.
Posted by: gp Put Down Roots In A Sh!thole at April 15, 2019 06:06 PM (mk9aG)

This is a joke right?

Posted by: literally serious at April 15, 2019 07:15 PM (S4XGD)

651 The tip made to defeat armor is called a bodkin point.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Ridiculous Bullshit at April 15, 2019 07:26 PM (vcatx)

652 More posts about arrowheads, please. They are very interesting.

Posted by: Banjo at April 15, 2019 07:46 PM (SYCeT)

653 Chaperoning some kids decades ago. We went inside. Wondrous.
My father went to Mass there while recuperating from one of those things people do so you get this purple thing

Posted by: Richard Aubrey at April 15, 2019 08:21 PM (fikzx)

654 to the various French papers, the nave is bsically intact with minor damage. Everyone is noting that the cross and the altar are undamaged and remarking that this is a significant sign.
In the meantime, it appears Notre Dam is looking at decades of rebuilding. Well I can't think of better things to spend money on.

Posted by: Xavier Basora at April 15, 2019 09:55 PM (A4+/S)

655 1."Calypso Louie" Farrakhan will declare "The Joos Did It So Muslims Will Be Blamed."

2.Ilhan Omar will agree with Farrakhan and claim "White Nationalists" are threatening her for revealing the truth.

3.ISIS will claim they did it in revenge for getting destroyed in Syria.

4.The Iranian mullahs will claim that it was "the will of Allah", but somehow Trump was involved.

5.Algore will insist it was sparked by Global Warming because Trump isn't devoting federal resources to it.

6.Nadler, Schiff and a posse of other Congressional Democrats will declare they need to see the entire Mueller Report to see if Trump colluded with the Russians to do it.

7.The Southern Poverty Law Center will claim it was a conspiracy among 50 Known Hate Groups They Can Name, and they're holding a major fund raiser to continue their work.

8.The Westboro Baptist Church will claim G-d did it, Because Homosexuals.

9.CNN will announce Breaking News that un-named sources will claim that they overheard that Trump made a secret trip to Paris that day.

10.Some Millenial will ask on Twitter whether the football field was damaged by the fire.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 15, 2019 10:39 PM (DPi4l)

656 Interestingly I have seen pictures of Muslims in Paris smiling, reminding one of what happened in NYC on 9-11. Somehow I do not believe this fire was an accident.

Posted by: I am not corey Booker at April 16, 2019 01:39 AM (nRj4F)

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