Spire Completely Collapses




The spire is no longer visible on the rear of the cathedral. Here's what it looked like 10-15 minutes before the collapse:






Firefighters say "these flames are set to burn for some time yet," according to France24's English language feed. (Amidst taking various shots at Donald Trump.)

The most iconic parts of the church, the bell towers, are in the front, and so far look like they might survive... if firefighters can at least slow this inferno down.


Posted by: Ace of Spades at 02:11 PM




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1 Le sigh.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 02:12 PM (8NLb9)

2 Sad.

Posted by: LASue at April 15, 2019 02:12 PM (XROPS)

3 Damn.

Posted by: Piercello at April 15, 2019 02:12 PM (ajoh7)

4 Orange Flame Bad

Posted by: mugiwara at April 15, 2019 02:13 PM (joUV5)

5 I felt the nood but ignored my feelings.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at April 15, 2019 02:13 PM (0rsWa)

6 This is horrible.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 15, 2019 02:13 PM (RBOtF)

7 Merde!

Posted by: Rudi Von Starnberg at April 15, 2019 02:13 PM (OFzX4)

8 The Backdraft of Notre Dame

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at April 15, 2019 02:13 PM (oZ6kz)

9 This is so great a fire the French government has decided to wait until the next big rainfall.

Progress...progress...just like California.

Posted by: William Eaton at April 15, 2019 02:13 PM (MuTTO)

10 I'm really glad I don't regularly listen to Shep!

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 15, 2019 02:14 PM (ufFY8)

11 The future site of Trump Towers Paris.....

Posted by: steevy at April 15, 2019 02:14 PM (BXMxN)

12 Awful. What a terrible loss

Posted by: brak at April 15, 2019 02:14 PM (sZzDP)

13 Gut punch.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at April 15, 2019 02:14 PM (m5z+R)

14 Sad!

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at April 15, 2019 02:14 PM (wGbBR)

15 We need to give the Notre-Dame fire space to destroy.

Posted by: Emmanuel Macron at April 15, 2019 02:14 PM (DTX3h)

16 Centuries old timber + flame = disaster.

Posted by: blake - used vacation salesman at April 15, 2019 02:14 PM (qC1Sy)

17 This is devastating.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 15, 2019 02:14 PM (gC2IV)

18 The fire started at 11:30 Paris time. WTH??

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 02:14 PM (ptqGC)

19 Well, lets see what French grit looks like these days.

Posted by: Puddin Head - CNN at April 15, 2019 02:14 PM (2LelM)

20 Not even Catholic but still feel a deep, deep sense of loss.

If they can't get it at least controlled soon it's hard to see how any of the internal structure survives, even in the bell-tower.

Posted by: DocJ at April 15, 2019 02:15 PM (NYS7S)

21 The nineteenth century technology of fireboats is apparently beyond French comprehension.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 15, 2019 02:15 PM (YslsA)

22 The left is blaming a disaster on Trump? Quelle surprise.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, no recent arrests at April 15, 2019 02:15 PM (LISuA)

23 Wait, Trump started the fire?

I thought it was Billy Joel

Posted by: Rick in SK at April 15, 2019 02:15 PM (FZYNt)

24 I blame Frollo.

Posted by: LASue at April 15, 2019 02:15 PM (XROPS)

25 Lets get some coverage in the no go zones and see if the goat humpers are dancing in the streets

Posted by: Somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 15, 2019 02:15 PM (M+Lyo)

26 It's Holy Week. I still says its the ROP.


Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 02:15 PM (Z3zSO)

27 Shep! is being dramatic. Thanks, Fox.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 02:15 PM (ptqGC)

28 Of course I'm not *really* that callous...at least some of the time. I have no love for France's current political state but the Notre Dame Cathedral is one of the, what, 15 or 20 most famous buildings in the world? And it's always a shame when those go. I'm not in love with modern India but I'd hate to see the Taj Mahal engulfed in flames.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at April 15, 2019 02:15 PM (oZ6kz)

29 Been there a couple times, last time the tourist crowd was overwhelming though.

Tragic.

Posted by: JEM at April 15, 2019 02:15 PM (8erNz)

30 Taking shots at Donald Trump for what?

Posted by: m at April 15, 2019 02:15 PM (C7rlo)

31 How soon until it's replaced with a mosque?

Posted by: Claudine at April 15, 2019 02:15 PM (fAP/l)

32 That just sucks.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 02:16 PM (37IEG)

33 (Amidst taking various shots at Donald Trump.)
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Actually, the male anchor did mention that Donald Trump tweeted about it before the president of France said anything.

Posted by: bluebell at April 15, 2019 02:16 PM (aXucN)

34 The left is blaming a disaster on Trump? Quelle surprise.


Posted by: Huck Follywood, no recent arrests at April 15, 2019 02:15 PM (LISuA)



Ah, the G-d hating left.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 02:16 PM (ptqGC)

35 And it's......Muslims! Or antifa yellow vests.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at April 15, 2019 02:16 PM (3sjI6)

36 A very limited amount of Notre Dame is over 700 years old. It has been renovated at various points over the years. Still an absolute tragedy though.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2019 02:16 PM (VpIIl)

37 All the history that survived through what 800 years.... and it's gone in a day

Posted by: brak at April 15, 2019 02:16 PM (sZzDP)

38
I don't know what happened here but this is either HUMAN ERROR or Intentional.

Either way, you have to be a huge fuckinasshole to make this happen.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2019 02:16 PM (nkfRj)

39 Any idea how it started? I se scaffolding for restoration work so probably something to do with equipment for that but we can't rule out some people who do something either.

Posted by: Rudi Von Starnberg at April 15, 2019 02:16 PM (OFzX4)

40 I think I might cry
Just awful to think of

I hope to God this was accidental

Posted by: VMs phone at April 15, 2019 02:17 PM (sTJh8)

41 And then, some people, did something.

Posted by: Redenzo at April 15, 2019 02:17 PM (14qvS)

42 Trump asked in a tweet if they could use air tankers to drop water on the fire. Makes sense. Also, the Cathedral is on an island. Where were the fire boats?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 02:17 PM (ptqGC)

43 Where are Charleton Heston and George Kennedy when you need them?

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at April 15, 2019 02:17 PM (JoUsr)

44 /crosses visiting Notre Dame off his bucket list.

Sigh.

Posted by: Don Q at April 15, 2019 02:17 PM (NgKpN)

45 I hope the Rose window survives.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2019 02:17 PM (r+sAi)

46 who does restoration work with a blow torch?

Posted by: Rick in SK at April 15, 2019 02:17 PM (FZYNt)

47 As a testament on big that cathedral is, I saw some firefighters up near the roof with fire hoses. They looked like squirt guns against this huge ragging fire. They don't have a chance.

Posted by: WisRich at April 15, 2019 02:17 PM (G0vdT)

48 27 Shep! is being dramatic. Thanks, Fox.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 02:15 PM (ptqGC)

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Shep! is being, wait for it, a drama queen?

Posted by: blake - used vacation salesman at April 15, 2019 02:17 PM (qC1Sy)

49 The can just let it burn completely to ashes and replace it with a new mosque. Saves a lot of money.

Posted by: rc at April 15, 2019 02:17 PM (giWZY)

50 This...this.

Can't help but feel this is an evil omen.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 15, 2019 02:17 PM (AM1GF)

51
Either way, you have to be a huge fuckinasshole to make this happen.





Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2019 02:16 PM (nkfRj)
So we won't rule out the Amish of the Middle East yet then.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 02:17 PM (37IEG)

52 PRediciton: Saudi Arabia will fund the repairs...

for a small ask.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 15, 2019 02:18 PM (uAgHA)

53 They are JUST NOW getting water on the Cathedral. I can't even.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 02:18 PM (ptqGC)

54
Ace should've titled this poat the French word for "Fire!"

I would've been impressed.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2019 02:18 PM (nkfRj)

55 My favorite restaurant is, probably was, just a few hundred feet from the rear of the Cathedral. Esmeralda. Just a typical tourist spot but I love it.

Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at April 15, 2019 02:18 PM (FZsOX)

56 Well, a symbol of Christianity has stood there for nearly 1000 years. I think the replacement should be more inclusive and celebrate all world religion, with the worlds largest mosque being the centerpiece, of course. We will allow the christians to have a small chapel, off site.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 15, 2019 02:18 PM (dNzKv)

57 Looks like firefighters have finally gotten hoses going.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 15, 2019 02:18 PM (gC2IV)

58 And it's......Muslims! Or antifa yellow vests.
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at April 15, 2019 02:16 PM (3sjI6)

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I don't think even Antifa would be tonedeaf enough to do this.

If this turns out to be arson, there's only one culture blinded by hate enough for that.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2019 02:18 PM (AzW6q)

59 Finally there is water.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 15, 2019 02:18 PM (RBOtF)

60 46 who does restoration work with a blow torch?
Posted by: Rick in SK at April 15, 2019 02:17 PM (FZYNt)
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Hey!

Posted by: guy who burned down MTM house in MN removing paint with torch at April 15, 2019 02:18 PM (qC1Sy)

61 F*CK NO THIS IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL THING WE HAVE

What's the most beautiful thing that Germany has?
And London?
And . . .

Posted by: m at April 15, 2019 02:18 PM (C7rlo)

62 What a tragedy. I have visited Paris twice in my life, and have tours the cathedral on both visits.

So very sad.

Posted by: ALH at April 15, 2019 02:18 PM (uLuPn)

63 My gut feeling guess is some lazy laborer did something stupid and against safety regulations. Bad drop cord, faulty wiring, gauloises in the garbage can, something like that

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 15, 2019 02:19 PM (Ct55T)

64 This is a planned distraction!

Posted by: Democrat Underground commenters at April 15, 2019 02:19 PM (KTOuB)

65 "Clear priority of the mission to get the flames under control..."

Well, duh.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at April 15, 2019 02:19 PM (JoUsr)

66 >>>30 Taking shots at Donald Trump for what?


he tweeted something about using helicopters as part of the firefighting team and the left can't deal.

Posted by: ace at April 15, 2019 02:19 PM (PbpT7)

67 47 As a testament on big that cathedral is, I saw some firefighters up near the roof with fire hoses. They looked like squirt guns against this huge ragging fire. They don't have a chance.
Posted by: WisRich at April 15, 2019 02:17 PM (G0vdT)

Thanks. I had not seen that.

Posted by: m at April 15, 2019 02:19 PM (C7rlo)

68 Somebody nuke the cunt troll.

Posted by: steevy at April 15, 2019 02:19 PM (BXMxN)

69 Jeebus, France. Fire started at 11:30 Paris time and you're JUST NOW getting water on it?

Unreal.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 02:19 PM (ptqGC)

70 This is a French cultural treasure. Once the fire is over they have to go full tilt to restore it if they value their heritage at all. This is Macron's gut check moment.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 02:19 PM (RD7QR)

71 Where are Charleton Heston and George Kennedy when you need them?
Posted by: Lady in Black



What am I, chopped liver?

Posted by: Steve McQueen at April 15, 2019 02:19 PM (NLLmE)

72
Where's the "En Fuego!" guy?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 15, 2019 02:19 PM (eXA4G)

73 But is the hunchback OK?

Posted by: Shtetl G at April 15, 2019 02:20 PM (16cUT)

74 Firefighters say "these flames are set to burn for some time yet," according to France24's English language feed. (Amidst taking various shots at Donald Trump.)

Wait, what?

Posted by: DocJ at April 15, 2019 02:20 PM (NYS7S)

75 So are they going to eventually start, oh I dont know, spraying WATER at the damn fire, instead of flapping their cheese-eating gums about Trump?!

Posted by: Spamf Roming at April 15, 2019 02:20 PM (AO4sn)

76 >>>58 Looks like firefighters have finally gotten hoses going.


amazing, huh?

It's been like 90 minutes.

Posted by: ace at April 15, 2019 02:20 PM (PbpT7)

77
he tweeted something about using helicopters as part of the firefighting team and the left can't deal.
Posted by: ace at April 15, 2019 02:19 PM (PbpT7)

We have a dumbfuck troll spewing the same shit.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 15, 2019 02:20 PM (NWiLs)

78 64
My gut feeling guess is some lazy laborer did something stupid and
against safety regulations. Bad drop cord, faulty wiring, gauloises in
the garbage can, something like that

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 15, 2019 02:19 PM (Ct55T)

Hot work without adequate fire precautions and fire watches is my guess.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2019 02:20 PM (t6MX/)

79 Too bad it wasn't The I.M. Pei pyramid in front of the Lourve that didn't burn down instead.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 02:20 PM (rxtQa)

80 Trump asked in a tweet if they could use air tankers to drop water on the fire. Makes sense. Also, the Cathedral is on an island. Where were the fire boats?
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Do they have fire boats? Do they care that this is burning?

I know the latter sounds stupid, but honestly, their government is all about appeasing islam, and islam might not want this in france. So they might be letting it burn.

Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 02:20 PM (Z3zSO)

81 62 F*CK NO THIS IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL THING WE HAVE

What's the most beautiful thing that Germany has?
And London?
And . . .
Posted by: m

what he said

Posted by: Hiroshima at April 15, 2019 02:20 PM (FZYNt)

82 Extremely upsetting to see this.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 15, 2019 02:20 PM (aWjrD)

83 he tweeted something about using helicopters as part of the firefighting team and the left can't deal.

Posted by: ace at April 15, 2019 02:19 PM (PbpT7)


He tweeted about using air tankers to drop water on it, which makes sense. But ORANGEMANBAD.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 02:20 PM (ptqGC)

84
What of the Arc de Triumph? Is that next?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2019 02:20 PM (nkfRj)

85 Damn.
Damn, damn, damn.
Also, bugger.

Posted by: Delaforce at April 15, 2019 02:20 PM (kySjV)

86 If it is Muzzies.....Westminster Abbey is next.

Posted by: jmel at April 15, 2019 02:20 PM (OeWgo)

87 This is a French cultural treasure. Once the fire is over they have to go full tilt to restore it if they value their heritage at all. This is Macron's gut check moment.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize


French, hell, it's an icon for Western culture.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 15, 2019 02:21 PM (AM1GF)

88 Robbie, you're not very effective. You're just an idiot.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at April 15, 2019 02:21 PM (JoUsr)

89 I'm calling it... arson, Muslim 'restorarion' worker, probably a govt handout job, paving the way for the hoards of invited invaders, Notre Dame will be replaced with a mosque, you read it first here.

Posted by: KarlHungus at April 15, 2019 02:21 PM (FJDwZ)

90 French firefighters check manual: How to Fight Le Fire.
Le Captain: It says here use water.... I don't know, lets have a bottle of wine and discuss it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2019 02:21 PM (r+sAi)

91 The france 24 french feed is showing the firefighters up on ladder-baskets shooting water into the church, now. The water looks wholly inadequate compared to the challenge.

Posted by: ace at April 15, 2019 02:21 PM (PbpT7)

92 Hey Robbie...what suggestions does president Hillary Clinton have?

lol

Posted by: Steve McQueen at April 15, 2019 02:21 PM (NLLmE)

93 "This is a planned distraction!
Posted by: Democrat Underground commenter"


Heh. I refuse to visit that sewer. Does that blowhard Will Pitt still post there?

Posted by: Benji Carver at April 15, 2019 02:21 PM (OD2ni)

94 Let it burn!

Posted by: Wilson Goode, Urban Firefighting Expert at April 15, 2019 02:21 PM (ASicf)

95 I wouldn t be surprised if this turns out to be arson.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 15, 2019 02:21 PM (qXtgU)

96 Waiting on permission from Brussels to spray water at the fire, afraid of offending Muslims. Who did NOT start this fire, btw. Not.

Posted by: Spamf Roming at April 15, 2019 02:21 PM (AO4sn)

97 I just can't believe it's taken this long to get water on the fire. It really breaks my heart to see this.

200 years to build, a few hours to be destroyed.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 02:21 PM (ptqGC)

98 Too bad the French don't have some fire bombers to send it.

Posted by: Gerard vanderleun at April 15, 2019 02:22 PM (U2iYI)

99 If it is Muzzies.....Westminster Abbey is next.

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Nah. Rumor has it that Charles converted to islam a long time so. So the UK is safe.

Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 02:22 PM (Z3zSO)

100 French, hell, it's an icon for Western culture.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 15, 2019 02:21 PM (AM1GF)

One of the biggest pilgrimage sites in Christendom.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 15, 2019 02:22 PM (J+mig)

101 They will replace it with a reflecting pool honoring the victims of Islamophobia ... maybe even add a joint Obama Presidential Library and Mosque.

Posted by: ShainS -- PhD candidate in Angry Orange Male studies at April 15, 2019 02:22 PM (70cOa)

102 67 >>>30 Taking shots at Donald Trump for what?

he tweeted something about using helicopters as part of the firefighting team and the left can't deal.
Posted by: ace at April 15, 2019 02:19 PM (PbpT7)

The gauche ne peut pas deal? Sacre bleu.

Posted by: m at April 15, 2019 02:22 PM (C7rlo)

103 Merciful Lord, here's hoping the stained glass windows survive. While I've never been there, in my History Of Western Art classes, the instructor had taken tons of slides (yep, dating myself) of the interior as examples of various flavors of gothic architecture. The two huge rose windows were so striking! What a tragedy!

Posted by: tankascribe at April 15, 2019 02:22 PM (CIkpt)

104 Global Warming strikes again.
There is nothing it cannot do.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 02:22 PM (37IEG)

105 you know, maybe it was not such a good thing for the french firefighters to start using the benny hill theme for their siren.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 02:22 PM (MTjB1)

106 re: being callous...

I've never really seen the point of getting worked up over something one has no control over or ability to influence.

Objectively, this is a horrible loss to the world. Subjectively, is it less of a loss if I cry about it? More of a loss if I don't?

Posted by: Synova (reversion to pseudonymous) at April 15, 2019 02:22 PM (BD/yx)

107 Posted by: Robbie at April 15, 2019 02:21 PM (PYhqK)

Could someone please nuke this asshole from space?

Posted by: DocJ at April 15, 2019 02:22 PM (NYS7S)

108 If it is Muzzies.....Westminster Abbey is next.

Either preceded or followed by St. Peter's in Rome.

Posted by: Basement Cat at April 15, 2019 02:22 PM (pPNCa)

109 This is so tragic. It breaks my heart.

Posted by: Kris at April 15, 2019 02:22 PM (OyyDO)

110 Go jack off on your old Winona Ryder pictures you turd.

Posted by: steevy at April 15, 2019 02:22 PM (BXMxN)

111 I told her friend recently that I did not think there would be any French landmarks left in the next 30 years.

It is entirely unfair, but my first thought is definitely arson.

Posted by: Tommy V at April 15, 2019 02:22 PM (KwbwP)

112 Donald Trump attempting to damage sanctuary locations. Notre Dame Burns down.

Coincidence?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 02:22 PM (rxtQa)

113 97 I wouldn t be surprised if this turns out to be arson.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 15, 2019 02:21 PM (qXtgU)

Certainly not my son. He's never even been to France.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 15, 2019 02:23 PM (NWiLs)

114 Shep saying a Catholic spokesman says the entire wooden interior of the church is destroyed.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 02:23 PM (ptqGC)

115 They must have noticed the requisition form for fire fighting equipment deployment was missing a translation and disclaimer in at least two native Malian languages, and had to get the minister of foreign affairs to rectify the situation first

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 15, 2019 02:23 PM (Ct55T)

116 80
Too bad it wasn't The I.M. Pei pyramid in front of the Lourve that didn't burn down instead.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 02:20 PM (rxtQa)

I LOLed, because I agree!

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 15, 2019 02:23 PM (ufFY8)

117 Firefighters surrender en masse.

Posted by: Burger Chef at April 15, 2019 02:23 PM (RuIsu)

118 The lack of response is pretty amazing. I remember a fire in Olongapo and the Navy had to run hoses from the Base a dozen or so blocks to put it out. It took them less than forty minutes to start pumping water. Fucking Paris. WTF?

Posted by: Puddin Head - CNN at April 15, 2019 02:23 PM (2LelM)

119 Shouldnt have stored the Wikileaks secret server there.

Posted by: Spamf Roming at April 15, 2019 02:23 PM (AO4sn)

120 22 The left is blaming a disaster on Trump? Quelle surprise.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, no recent arrests at April 15, 2019 02:15 PM (LISuA)

He must have denied sanctuary to Quasimodo.

Posted by: Roy at April 15, 2019 02:23 PM (10vz8)

121 I just talked to a NYFD dude I've known for 25 years. He said that's a tough fire to fight with all that timber, but he said it looks like the French FD was unprepared to deal with that type of a structural fire. They don't have enough of the right kind of equipment, and what they have took a long time to get in place.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2019 02:23 PM (VpIIl)

122
Posted by: m

Plenty you ignorant shitfuck dickwrinkle.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 15, 2019 02:23 PM (uAgHA)

123 I am devastated.

It doesn't even matter if a muslim did this, because they're cheering it regardless.

From this day, for me, April 15th, 2019, Islam in the west is on a timer. They must SHOW and PROVE their desire, not only to assimilate and coexist with non-muslims, but to themselves sniff out and exterminate the jihadists in their ranks, or they must be expelled from our nations.

Western tolerance has reached its limit.

Posted by: ghost of kari at April 15, 2019 02:23 PM (8IQhD)

124 Heh. I refuse to visit that sewer. Does that blowhard Will Pitt still post there?
Posted by: Benji Carver at April 15, 2019 02:21 PM (OD2ni)

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Heh. I remember that guy. Was all in on Rove being marched out of the White House in handcuffs.

He was mercilessly mocked by a lot of people over his, umm, writings, if you will.

Posted by: blake - used vacation salesman at April 15, 2019 02:23 PM (qC1Sy)

125 Just seeing this, anybody usung the T word yet?

Posted by: random lurker commenter at April 15, 2019 02:23 PM (48RE5)

126

I take it for granted that fire departments have slurry bombers, but Western Europe has very little forest, so I guess it kinda makes sense that they wouldn't.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2019 02:23 PM (AzW6q)

127 F*CK NO THIS IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL THING WE HAVE

What's the most beautiful thing that Germany has?
And London?
And . . .

Posted by: m


London's best architecture is that dildo building and the big ferris wheel, because ... every city needs to have a big fvcking ferris wheel. That's a real modern city, for you.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 15, 2019 02:23 PM (ASicf)

128 Hey Robbie...what suggestions does president Hillary Clinton have?

lol

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She should consider hiring this construction team before Barr's visit.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 02:23 PM (sX1BW)

129 118 80
Too bad it wasn't The I.M. Pei pyramid in front of the Lourve that didn't burn down instead.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 02:20 PM (rxtQa)

I LOLed, because I agree!
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Dittos.

Posted by: Puddin Head - CNN at April 15, 2019 02:23 PM (2LelM)

130 Omg, I visited there just a couple of weeks ago. O_O

Do they know what caused it?

Posted by: chique d'afrique back in the great USA at April 15, 2019 02:24 PM (bqWa4)

131 This is just devastating. So much that can't/won't be replaced. And during Holy Week

Posted by: In Exile at April 15, 2019 02:24 PM (XR+PY)

132 I know this is an awful scene but look at those images objectively. They're strangely beautiful.

The water looks wholly inadequate compared to the challenge.

Probably is at this point. Maybe an HOUR ago they could have helped.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 02:24 PM (39g3+)

133 Well I thought I was first with the Muslim arson idea... Seems like a lot of people, that's the first thought that's pops in the head... wonder why!

Posted by: KarlHungus at April 15, 2019 02:24 PM (FJDwZ)

134 Somebody nuke the cunt troll.

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I'm usually very free speech but I agree. This guy needs a timeout.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 02:24 PM (+y/Ru)

135
I hope to God this was accidental

+++

We'll see. If not I expect a terrible character bent on revenge will rise to power in a few years. It fits and is the only type of person that could pull western Europe out of extinction: a pan Catholic revanchist.

Posted by: Total Control Racist at April 15, 2019 02:24 PM (O5f1Y)

136 Sinners repent.

Posted by: gp at April 15, 2019 02:24 PM (mk9aG)

137 French firefighters check manual: How to Fight Le Fire.
Le Captain: It says here use water.... I don't know, lets have a bottle of wine and discuss it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2019 02:21 PM (r+sAi)


Water? Never. THe French use perfume.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 15, 2019 02:24 PM (ASicf)

138 Mark the tape: Religion of Peace.

I'll take my lumps if needed.

Posted by: nip at April 15, 2019 02:24 PM (DfGpI)

139 To keep this from being a total loss a 'cultural exchange center' should be built on the site.

Posted by: Bro Fo Omar at April 15, 2019 02:24 PM (1g7ch)

140 Look, it's fun ragging on the French for being pussies, but they have been around a LOT longer than we have. This Cathedral is almost 1000 years old, four times as old as we are....

What are the odds that the good old USA lasts 1000 more years?

I'm sure French firemen are doing all they can.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2019 02:24 PM (NFEMn)

141 I know I can't be the first person to wonder:

Arson ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, triumphalist Trumpian at April 15, 2019 02:24 PM (wA4OO)

142 My heart is breaking! I'm so glad I had the opportunity to "ring" the bell twice. What a beautiful place. I am fighting the tears.

Posted by: Lily at April 15, 2019 02:25 PM (7w41C)

143 Wonder if they're passing out candy on the streets in "Palestine". (Of course, it's a trump-created myth that that ever happens.)

Posted by: beehive at April 15, 2019 02:25 PM (2u8LP)

144 Merciful Lord, here's hoping the stained glass
windows survive. While I've never been there, in my History Of Western
Art classes, the instructor had taken tons of slides (yep, dating
myself) of the interior as examples of various flavors of gothic
architecture. The two huge rose windows were so striking! What a
tragedy!

Posted by: tankascribe at April 15, 2019 02:22 PM (CIkpt)


It's especially tragic because they were removed during WWII to protect them from the Nazis, who wanted to destroy the cathedral.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 02:25 PM (ptqGC)

145 London's best architecture is that dildo building and the big ferris wheel, because ... every city needs to have a big fvcking ferris wheel. That's a real modern city, for you.

Yeah, they just had a controversy over a new building that looks kind of like a peen being built, because people were upset that it would "ruin London's skyline".

That ship has already sailed.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 02:25 PM (39g3+)

146 >>>Looks like firefighters have finally gotten hoses going.

A diverse and inclusive workforce is more important that a competent one.

Posted by: Pine Barrens at April 15, 2019 02:25 PM (oh+79)

147 For Sale:

-Firefighting Hose
-Never Used
-Dropped only once

Posted by: Advertisement at April 15, 2019 02:25 PM (Ckg4U)

148 Ace, please apply the hammer to this fucktard:

Posted by: Robbie at April 15, 2019 02:21 PM (PYhqK)

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 02:25 PM (RD7QR)

149 It's possible that they don't have air-tankers.

Posted by: Synova (reversion to pseudonymous) at April 15, 2019 02:25 PM (BD/yx)

150 >>>The gauche ne peut pas deal?

c'est insupportable! Le gauche, ils en ont assez!

Posted by: ace at April 15, 2019 02:25 PM (PbpT7)

151 88 it's an icon for Western culture.
Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 15, 2019 02:21 PM (AM1GF)

"Culture"! H8er!

Posted by: m at April 15, 2019 02:25 PM (C7rlo)

152 Those flying buttresses were designed to hold the weight of the roof, I wonder if they can stand with no counterweight?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 15, 2019 02:25 PM (YslsA)

153 Now when they rebuild they can put LGBT themed murals inside.

Posted by: Mark1971 at April 15, 2019 02:25 PM (xPl2J)

154 Shep saying a Catholic spokesman says the entire wooden interior of the church is destroyed.

--

Is his eyeliner running yet? I don't know why Fox has to default to that hyperventilating dunce every time there is a major story to report. Every. Time.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at April 15, 2019 02:25 PM (JoUsr)

155

I have a Feeling this will be ruled "accidental" whether it was or not, if you get my drift.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2019 02:26 PM (nkfRj)

156 Ace mentioned that the Bell Towers might be saved and that's awesome, but for me, the son of an architect, the gothic section that is burning completely to the ground is the most beautiful part of the cathedral. The flying buttresses are spectacularly amazing. Just my opinion thought. Truly sad.

Posted by: atlashrugged at April 15, 2019 02:26 PM (JCUig)

157 Those roof timbers are almost 1000 years old. It went up like a match stick. I doubt very seriously that they could have put it out no matter what equioment they used.

Posted by: ALH at April 15, 2019 02:26 PM (uLuPn)

158 kind of funny watching firefighters take a cigarette break.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 02:26 PM (MTjB1)

159 Shep! mentioned that most Parisians are secular, but they're crying in the streets.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 02:26 PM (ptqGC)

160 Look, it's fun ragging on the French for being pussies, but they have been around a LOT longer than we have.

So has pond scum.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 15, 2019 02:26 PM (ASicf)

161 Those roof timbers are almost 1000 years old. It went up like a match stick. I doubt very seriously that they could have put it out no matter what equioment they used.
Posted by: ALH at April 15, 2019 02:26 PM (uLuPn)

We'll never know.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 02:26 PM (rxtQa)

162 143
I know I can't be the first person to wonder:



Arson ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, triumphalist Trumpian at April 15, 2019 02:24 PM (wA4OO)
We got to that on the previous thread almost as soon as it was reported.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 02:26 PM (37IEG)

163 Do they know what caused it?
Posted by: chique d'afrique back in the great USA at April 15, 2019 02:24 PM (bqWa4)
---------

About 10-15 minutes ago the anchor on the live feed from FRANCE 24 said the mayor has said it's an accident. How on earth they can say that while the fire is still raging is beyond me.

Posted by: bluebell at April 15, 2019 02:27 PM (aXucN)

164 Officials stating "this is the result of an accident."

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at April 15, 2019 02:27 PM (JoUsr)

165 >>>Shep saying a Catholic spokesman says the entire wooden interior of the church is destroyed.

really? Thanks, Shep.

>>>Shep! mentioned that most Parisians are secular, but they're crying in the streets.

creep.

Posted by: ace at April 15, 2019 02:27 PM (PbpT7)

166 Look, it's fun ragging on the French for being pussies, but they have been around a LOT longer than we have.


that is stupid

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 02:27 PM (MTjB1)

167 Not terrorism.

Posted by: FBI at April 15, 2019 02:27 PM (gC2IV)

168 Shep! mentioned that most Parisians are secular, but they're crying in the streets.

Posted by: Jane D'oh


This would be like having a thousand of the greatest works of art of all time in one place...and watching them burn.

In fact, it basically is.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 15, 2019 02:27 PM (AM1GF)

169 London's best architecture is that dildo building and the big ferris wheel, because ... every city needs to have a big fvcking ferris wheel. That's a real modern city, for you.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair


Hah...no shit. Doofiest skyline in the western world.

Posted by: Steve McQueen at April 15, 2019 02:27 PM (NLLmE)

170 Live feed said officials say it's a result of "an accident".

Also, seems a *little* under control.

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 02:27 PM (cF8AT)

171 Paris is a huge city with tons of very large buildings. Surely they've prepared for something like this. What if a skyscraper full of people caught fire?


Posted by: G. Gnome at April 15, 2019 02:27 PM (al6UK)

172 I'd like to believe that if this turns out to have been Muslim terrorists, that would turn the French finally around but I mean... 17 years ago the twin towers were dropped and then we elected a quasi-Muslim president and Muslim congressmen.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 02:27 PM (39g3+)

173 This will be the media's go-to picture to document this:


https://twitter.com/iamsrk_coco65/status/1117852585552011264

Posted by: ace at April 15, 2019 02:27 PM (PbpT7)

174 Expect ISIS to claim responsibility. Whether this will be reported or not, who knows.

Posted by: mediapostate at April 15, 2019 02:28 PM (+ZhJh)

175 Bet they're celebrating in those no-go zones, you know the ones that don't exist.

Posted by: brak at April 15, 2019 02:28 PM (sZzDP)

176 156; because, fox sucks. shep is the bottom feeding, scumsucker of humanity.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 15, 2019 02:28 PM (KP5rU)

177 100 Too bad the French don't have some fire bombers to send it.
Posted by: Gerard vanderleun at April 15, 2019 02:22 PM (U2iYI)

Honored to have you here, sir.
Posting here:

https://americandigest.org

Posted by: m at April 15, 2019 02:28 PM (C7rlo)

178 Go away Steve.

Posted by: eleven at April 15, 2019 02:28 PM (NLLmE)

179 Any word if they suspect terrorism?

Posted by: I Smell Something Rotten at April 15, 2019 02:28 PM (IBt/r)

180 How on earth they can say that while the fire is still raging is beyond me.

--

They saw Mrs. O'Leary's cow running from the scene.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at April 15, 2019 02:28 PM (JoUsr)

181 It's not hard to believe that the Parisian authorities didn't have a "What To Do If Notre Dame Cathedral Is Completely Engulfed In Flames" plan ready to go.

But it is somewhat stunning that it seems to have taken them upwards of 90-minutes to get some hoses on those flames.

It could be there really isn't much of anything that can be done and this is now to "show your best effort" or whatnot.

Posted by: DocJ at April 15, 2019 02:28 PM (NYS7S)

182
Whaddya wanna bet they get the firm that designed this bad boy, an art museum in Graz, to do the rebuild?

https://tinyurl.com/y3nm4gmn

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2019 02:28 PM (AzW6q)

183 Firefighters say "these flames are set to burn for some time yet," according to France24's English language feed. (Amidst taking various shots at Donald Trump.)

What does Trump have to do with this?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 02:28 PM (x3tTl)

184 Shep! mentioned that most Parisians are secular, but they're crying in the streets.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 02:26 PM (ptqGC)

The French put great stock in their art and history. If it turns out someone was responsible for this, they'll go Napoleonic on them.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 15, 2019 02:28 PM (J+mig)

185 This will be the media's go-to picture to document this:


https://twitter.com/iamsrk_coco65/status/1117852585552011264
Posted by: ace at April 15, 2019 02:27 PM (PbpT7)

They look like nuns

Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2019 02:28 PM (NFEMn)

186 Shep the drama queen.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 15, 2019 02:29 PM (2PgZd)

187 157




I have a Feeling this will be ruled "accidental" whether it was or not, if you get my drift.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2019 02:26 PM (nkfRj)
I get the feeling that it won't matter what they rule it to be if rumors start flying.The Amish better watch their tongues and their actions with great reserve.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 02:29 PM (37IEG)

188 Synova: No, you have a point. I'm not painting myself as some moral paragon who just has so darn much empathy. My concerns about this are mostly selfish - it's a place that has good memories for me (visited it on a teenage Paris/London trip with my late father), as someone who appreciates history it's nice to have historic buildings, as someone who appreciates art and architecture it's a living treasure.

But yes, no amount of personal tears will put out the fire. And certainly thousands of things happened today more personally tragic - countless people died today.

Posted by: Broseidon - New Work Computer, Same Work Ethic at April 15, 2019 02:29 PM (oZ6kz)

189 Surely they've prepared for something like this. What if a skyscraper full of people caught fire?

"C'est la vie! Zees is zee new, how you say, normale?"
--Paris mayor

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 02:29 PM (39g3+)

190 174 Expect ISIS to claim responsibility. Whether this will be reported or not, who knows.
Posted by: mediapostate at April 15, 2019 02:28 PM (+ZhJh)


A pretext now for the Yellow Vests to catch hell.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2019 02:29 PM (zBaqJ)

191 >>>aris is a huge city with tons of very large buildings. Surely they've prepared for something like this. What if a skyscraper full of people caught fire?

part of the problem might be the island it's on. It's small, it's dense as hell, it's the most tourist-thronged part of paris. Maybe they had trouble getting the trucks across the bridges and through the streets.

Posted by: ace at April 15, 2019 02:29 PM (PbpT7)

192 It's the French 9-11!

Posted by: Number of Dead: Zero at April 15, 2019 02:29 PM (4Eo4+)

193 Were they able to rescue Quasimodo?

Posted by: deepred at April 15, 2019 02:29 PM (AfBox)

194
Is his eyeliner running yet? I don't know why Fox has to default to that hyperventilating dunce every time there is a major story to report. Every. Time.
--

Right now it's his regular day shift. So he gets to cry about things that happen this time during the day. It's their default.

Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 02:29 PM (Z3zSO)

195 Where's Snoopy?! He was able to help firefighters save the Chateau du Mal Voisin from burning down.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at April 15, 2019 02:29 PM (DTX3h)

196 Some people did something.

Posted by: Spamf Roming at April 15, 2019 02:29 PM (AO4sn)

197 "Heh. I remember that guy. Was all in on Rove being marched out of the White House in handcuffs.

He was mercilessly mocked by a lot of people over his, umm, writings, if you will.
Posted by: blake - used vacation salesman"


I believe he also collaborated on an anti-Bush book with former UN WMD inspector Scott Ritter, who then got busted for trying to pick up underage girls at Burger King. Pitt was a clown.

Posted by: Benji Carver at April 15, 2019 02:29 PM (OD2ni)

198 Glad I saw it when I did then.

Posted by: Puddleglum at April 15, 2019 02:29 PM (cqi/F)

199 When we were in the cathedral almost exactly 2 weeks ago I commented to my friend how amazing it was that such a magnificent structure could have been built almost a millennium ago. The artwork on the ceilings, the stained glass, the actual structure. I don't think we can repeat that today.

This is so tragic.

Posted by: chique d'afrique back in the great USA at April 15, 2019 02:29 PM (bqWa4)

200 I'm trying to find a silver lining. Perhaps this will remind the French, and Europeans in general, of the greatness of their culture, and the need to start acting worthy of it again.

It's a reach, I know.

Posted by: pep at April 15, 2019 02:29 PM (wW03z)

201 Hey Robbie...what suggestions does president Hillary Clinton have?


If hillary had a presidency, this is what it would look like.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2019 02:29 PM (t6MX/)

202 merde

Posted by: SturmToddler at April 15, 2019 02:29 PM (8D42x)

203 Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2019 02:24 PM (NFEMn

As a country? I believe their revolution was after ours.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 02:29 PM (rxtQa)

204 That jackass Shep! just stopped a French official who was speculating on what if the fire is arson.

Shep! says, "No, no, no! Not on MY watch!"

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 02:29 PM (ptqGC)

205 Shep is an asshiole

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 15, 2019 02:29 PM (bim/x)

206 So sad

Posted by: It's me donna at April 15, 2019 02:29 PM (O2RFr)

207 Stating accident while the fire is still out of control is rather suspicious. Like leftard pre-spin to protect some favored group.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 15, 2019 02:29 PM (qXtgU)

208 They had some political clown from Paris on France24. THis asshole spent the whole time making sure he said it "doesn't belong to Catholics, it belongs to everyone"

He didn't even acknowledge it was a church when prompted about 8 times by the talking had that it was Easter week.

Freakin idiot.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2019 02:30 PM (VpIIl)

209 This is just as climate models have predicted. More world historical treasures would burn as CO2 rises. We had none for years, but now that CO2 has reached 410, events like this will be common!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 15, 2019 02:30 PM (dNzKv)

210 Some people did something.
Posted by: Spamf Roming



Not the freaking fire department!

Posted by: eleven at April 15, 2019 02:30 PM (NLLmE)

211 If hillary had a presidency, this is what it would look like.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner



I don't see the Dumpster. Nor the flaming clowns.

Posted by: pep at April 15, 2019 02:30 PM (wW03z)

212 Even the Godless French have got to be pissed.

Posted by: t-bird at April 15, 2019 02:30 PM (Wd55D)

213 Paris is a huge city with tons of very large buildings. Surely they've prepared for something like this. What if a skyscraper full of people caught fire?

Posted by: G. Gnome at April 15, 2019 02:27 PM (al6UK)


Then they're done. See the MGM Grand hotel fire.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 02:30 PM (x3tTl)

214 115 They must have noticed the requisition form for fire fighting equipment deployment was missing a translation and disclaimer in at least two native Malian languages, and had to get the minister of foreign affairs to rectify the situation first
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 15, 2019 02:23 PM (Ct55T)

!

Posted by: m at April 15, 2019 02:30 PM (C7rlo)

215 >>They look like nuns

yeah, now that I Look at it, you're right. I thought they were muslims and figured the media would use this as its go-to image.

but yes, they're nuns.

Posted by: ace at April 15, 2019 02:30 PM (PbpT7)

216 I want to cry. Never quite made it to Paris yet and this was on my must see. I feel wrecked, like I have been personally gut punched. One of mankinds greatest architectural triumphs aflame.

I agree that if they can at least preserve the front facade and the rose windows, it will not be a total, utter loss to humanity. Gah I hope so. If the French do not pour money into a restoration, they are total and utter fools.

Posted by: LizLem at April 15, 2019 02:31 PM (TREid)

217 > 193 Were they able to rescue Quasimodo

They had a hunch back at the office.

Posted by: Spamf Roming at April 15, 2019 02:31 PM (AO4sn)

218 They look like nuns
Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2019 02:28 PM (NFEMn)
--------

They are, I believe.

Posted by: bluebell at April 15, 2019 02:31 PM (aXucN)

219 The French put great stock in their art and history. If it turns out someone was responsible for this, they'll go Napoleonic on them.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 15, 2019 02:28 PM (J+mig)

It will be a Darwinian test of their Culture.

Posted by: Don Q at April 15, 2019 02:31 PM (NgKpN)

220 Shep is a fucking sodomite. So honestly, who gives a shit what that Ass Prate says about a church.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2019 02:31 PM (VpIIl)

221 185
This will be the media's go-to picture to document this:





https://twitter.com/iamsrk_coco65/status/1117852585552011264

Posted by: ace at April 15, 2019 02:27 PM (PbpT7)



They look like nuns

Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2019 02:28 PM (NFEMn)
Won't matter, CNN will claim those were four Muslim women. And so will "somebody did something" Omar.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 02:31 PM (37IEG)

222 The chick talking to Charles Payne is a One.
I need a break from being bummed about Notre Dame.



Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at April 15, 2019 02:31 PM (ufFY8)

223 122
Posted by: m

Plenty you ignorant shitfuck dickwrinkle.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 15, 2019 02:23 PM (uAgHA)

That's misaimed at me. Really.

Posted by: m at April 15, 2019 02:31 PM (C7rlo)

224 I can't watch. Too heartbreaking. And during Holy Week, no less.

Thanks, Fox, for Shep! *seethes*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 02:31 PM (ptqGC)

225 @123

St Patrick's in NY is taller and bigger than Notre Dame, there would 5 alarms within 5 minutes, it took almost two hours before they started putting water on this fire.

Sad.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 15, 2019 02:32 PM (pRQYb)

226 This was a reaction to Trump threatening to send illegals to SANCTUARY!!

Posted by: Spamf Roming at April 15, 2019 02:32 PM (AO4sn)

227 Note to self - visit Rome before it's too late

Posted by: josephistan at April 15, 2019 02:32 PM (7HtZB)

228 Maybe we could take the folks being shitbags about this and airdrop them into the fire.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 15, 2019 02:32 PM (NWiLs)

229 The French put great stock in their art and history. If it turns out someone was responsible for this, they'll go Napoleonic on them.
Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at A


no they won't, too much work, too much money

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 02:32 PM (MTjB1)

230 They're reporting "No injuries".

They just said 30,000 people a day visit ND! That sound right?

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 02:32 PM (cF8AT)

231 I thought they were muslims and figured the media would use this as its go-to image.

Yeah nuns but the principle is probably accurate, they'll find some sad Muslims and use that as their image of the year.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 02:32 PM (39g3+)

232 Inside Notre Dame, there was a little model that showed the various stages of development, destruction, rebuilding and glorifying the Church. You can almost match it to the development of Western Civ.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at April 15, 2019 02:32 PM (wGbBR)

233 181 It's not hard to believe that the Parisian authorities didn't have a "What To Do If Notre Dame Cathedral Is Completely Engulfed In Flames" plan ready to go.

But it is somewhat stunning that it seems to have taken them upwards of 90-minutes to get some hoses on those flames.

It could be there really isn't much of anything that can be done and this is now to "show your best effort" or whatnot.
Posted by: DocJ at April 15, 2019 02:28 PM (NYS7S)



So basically their firefighting strategy was to hope it didn't catch on fire.

Posted by: rickl at April 15, 2019 02:32 PM (xjiRE)

234 Fvck you Shep.

Posted by: dartist at April 15, 2019 02:32 PM (K22Va)

235 We need to allow the fire room to destroy.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 15, 2019 02:32 PM (dNzKv)

236 I hope no one was hurt. There werr priests and, I believe, nuns there.

Plus all the tourists.

Posted by: chique d'afrique back in the great USA at April 15, 2019 02:32 PM (bqWa4)

237 "Were they able to rescue Quasimodo?
Posted by: deepred"


Maureen O'Hara was a major babe in that movie.

Posted by: Benji Carver at April 15, 2019 02:32 PM (OD2ni)

238 Send in the nuns!

Posted by: Mel Brooks at April 15, 2019 02:33 PM (gC2IV)

239 >>They look like nuns

yeah, now that I Look at it, you're right. I thought they were muslims and figured the media would use this as its go-to image.

but yes, they're nuns.

Posted by: ace at April 15, 2019 02:30 PM (PbpT7)

The media still MIGHT run these thinking they're Muslims.
This Khan guy who tweeted the picture probably thought so too.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2019 02:33 PM (NFEMn)

240 This is just a part of the climate of hate that Trump stokes. No other president in history has inspired the Notre Dame Cathedral to burst into flames

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 15, 2019 02:33 PM (dNzKv)

241 I don't think in this particular instance a cause could actually be found. I mean its not like you can trace the origin in the collapse of an 800 year old building.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2019 02:33 PM (r+sAi)

242 Now it can be replaced with a mosque. Like the one at WTC.

Posted by: Spamf Roming at April 15, 2019 02:33 PM (AO4sn)

243 That smarmy, mincing POS Shep just cut off a guy who was going to tell us about a spate of fires at churches all over the country in France. Shep might not agree with the implication of what the guy was saying, but I sure would like have heard some of that background information.

Posted by: Thatch at April 15, 2019 02:33 PM (i/MqO)

244 The roof is sheeted in lead.

What a mess, and what a shame. If the leaded glass windows are all gone, it's gonna be tough to replace them.

Look at this photo taken in 1944 of the cathedral at Cologne in Germany, spared by the bombs, with bombed-out buildings all around it.

https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/cologne-cathedra-allied-bombings-1944/

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 15, 2019 02:34 PM (+fPHo)

245 They just said 30,000 people a day visit ND! That sound right?
Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 02:32 PM (cF8AT)

Could be. Long lines to get in.

Posted by: chique d'afrique back in the great USA at April 15, 2019 02:34 PM (bqWa4)

246 Oops there goes another icon down
Oops there goes another icon down

We've got more to go
but we're going to make a show
If we can't blow it up
We'll just burn it up

Oops there goes another icon down
Oops there goes another icon down

Posted by: Braenyard at April 15, 2019 02:34 PM (2PgZd)

247 How does one say "Heads are going to roll for this" in French?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pick Up A Copy of The Daily Panic at The Outrage Outlet! at April 15, 2019 02:34 PM (hLRSq)

248 I hope no one was hurt. There werr priests and, I believe, nuns there.

Plus all the tourists.
Posted by: chique d'afrique back in the great USA at April 15, 2019 02:32 PM (bqWa4)
---------

I just heard them say no casualties, no injuries. Thank God.

Posted by: bluebell at April 15, 2019 02:34 PM (aXucN)

249 I would have thought the building was mostly stone.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at April 15, 2019 02:34 PM (oVJmc)

250 I'm sick. One of the touch stones of Western Civilization. This is almost as bad as if St. Peter's in Rome caught fire.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin at April 15, 2019 02:34 PM (ebZss)

251 God I hate Shep Smith

Posted by: StefanH at April 15, 2019 02:34 PM (T/8bh)

252 Look at the bright side...at least they'll have plenty of ash for Wednesday.

Too soon?

Posted by: Nightclub Comedian at April 15, 2019 02:34 PM (+rqF4)

253 I was in the belltower when the spire came down. There were bodies floating everywhere. I ziplined down to the Louvre with Seal Team 6 to set a perimeter.

Posted by: Brian Williams, Crack Journalist at April 15, 2019 02:34 PM (4Eo4+)

254 247 How does one say "Heads are going to roll for this" in French?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pick Up A Copy of The Daily Panic at The Outrage Outlet! at April 15, 2019 02:34 PM (hLRSq)


Les têtes sont roulez avec ca.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2019 02:35 PM (zBaqJ)

255 Spokesman for ND said the "entire medieval wooden frame is destroyed."

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 02:35 PM (cF8AT)

256 Hey! Fire can not melt wood. Hmmmm...

Posted by: Spamf Roming at April 15, 2019 02:35 PM (AO4sn)

257 Now it can be replaced with a mosque. Like the one at WTC.
Posted by: Spamf Roming at April 15, 2019 02:33 PM (AO4sn)


Already on it

Posted by: Bro Fo Omar at April 15, 2019 02:35 PM (1g7ch)

258 I just heard them say no casualties, no injuries. Thank God.

Posted by: bluebell at April 15, 2019 02:34 PM (aXucN)

Yes, thank God.

Posted by: chique d'afrique back in the great USA at April 15, 2019 02:35 PM (bqWa4)

259 F*CK NO THIS IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL THING WE HAVE

That is why.

Posted by: "Refugees" Who Are In No Way Combatants at April 15, 2019 02:35 PM (gHCnG)

260 So basically their firefighting strategy was to hope it didn't catch on fire.
Posted by: rickl at April 15, 2019 02:32 PM (xjiRE)

Looking that the reaction it's hard to conclude otherwise.

Posted by: DocJ at April 15, 2019 02:35 PM (NYS7S)

261 Notre Dame?
Never heard of it.


Posted by: Charlie Gibson at April 15, 2019 02:35 PM (ufFY8)

262 253 I was in the belltower when the spire came down. There were bodies floating everywhere. I ziplined down to the Louvre with Seal Team 6 to set a perimeter.
Posted by: Brian Williams, Crack Journalist

LOL. Thank you for your courage and girthy penis.

Posted by: ace at April 15, 2019 02:35 PM (PbpT7)

263 245 They just said 30,000 people a day visit ND! That sound right?
Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 02:32 PM (cF8AT)

Could be. Long lines to get in.
Posted by: chique d'afrique back in the great USA



Yup. I stood in a long, long line to get in.

Posted by: pep at April 15, 2019 02:35 PM (wW03z)

264 Did Trump incite the fire?

Can a fire be incited? I though fires were ignited?

It's hard keeping up.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 15, 2019 02:35 PM (+fPHo)

265 I hope no one was hurt. There werr priests and, I believe, nuns there.

Plus all the tourists.
Posted by: chique d'afrique back in the great USA at April 15, 2019 02:32 PM (bqWa4)

All the Jewish tourists were told yesterday to stay away from Notre Dame today.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 02:35 PM (rxtQa)

266 Can't snark. This is just awful.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 15, 2019 02:35 PM (3RKQd)

267
They look like nuns
Posted by: JoeF


Maybe they're penguins?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at April 15, 2019 02:35 PM (nkfRj)

268 The French surrendered to the fire?

Jeez, do we have to do everything for them?

Posted by: Guy Smiley at April 15, 2019 02:36 PM (+/7JY)

269 Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 15, 2019 02:36 PM (uYZSX)

270 This is almost as bad as if St. Peter's in Rome caught fire.

*scribbles notes*

Posted by: Anonymous "Asians" at April 15, 2019 02:36 PM (gHCnG)

271 I notice that the BBC had to get a dig in at Trump in their coverage.

Assholes.

Whenever viewing any news from the BBC, keep in mind that George Orwell based the Ministry of Truth in 1984 on his experiences working for the Beeb.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 02:36 PM (0OWcv)

272 it looks like much of the facade will remain, at least on part of the building. I guess that is the rose window they keep showing in the un-burned part. (at least not burned on the outside ... )


The CBSN link seems more interesting to me, than the NBC guys.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 15, 2019 02:36 PM (Cus5s)

273 >>> As a country? I believe their revolution was after ours.

The sequel is never better than the original.

Posted by: LizLem at April 15, 2019 02:36 PM (TREid)

274 Where are the wings?

Posted by: Spamf Roming at April 15, 2019 02:37 PM (AO4sn)

275 262 253 I was in the belltower when the spire came down. There were bodies floating everywhere. I ziplined down to the Louvre with Seal Team 6 to set a perimeter.
Posted by: Brian Williams, Crack Journalist

LOL. Thank you for your courage and girthy penis.
Posted by: ace at April 15, 2019 02:35 PM (PbpT7)

Was Notorious RBG on the zipline next to you, sport?

Posted by: DocJ at April 15, 2019 02:37 PM (NYS7S)

276 This will be the totalitarian EU's Reichstag to stomp out nationalist movements.

Posted by: bane at April 15, 2019 02:37 PM (YmfOS)

277 About 10-15 minutes ago the anchor on the live feed from FRANCE 24 said the mayor has said it's an accident.
========
A mayor would likely not want the riots that would likely ensue if it were to get out while it was still burning that it was arson.

Posted by: simplemind at April 15, 2019 02:37 PM (DYNzp)

278 Only YOU can prevent cathedral fires!

Shee-it! All that history!

Posted by: Smokey Da Bears at April 15, 2019 02:37 PM (so+oy)

279 We need some insight here on who may have been incited to ignite the fire.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 15, 2019 02:37 PM (+fPHo)

280 Some Notre Dame history and architecture links - apologies if others posted these earlier.

https://tinyurl.com/y2ghqh3x

https://tinyurl.com/yxmes7nj

Posted by: Gref at April 15, 2019 02:37 PM (AMIL/)

281 I heard Dennis Prager talking about it like it was a tragedy so thought it was bad.
Worse than I pictured it.

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 02:37 PM (BbGew)

282 Frolo's fireplace.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 15, 2019 02:38 PM (GIA8r)

283 It's Holy Week. I still says its the ROP.


Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 02:15 PM (Z3zSO)


From what I see of the fire, it's concentrated around scaffolding on the roof. Which means it could be a construction "accident."

Yeah, I'm saying Mussleman bastards. Not that the French give a shit, anyway.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 15, 2019 02:38 PM (Ki5SV)

284 Clearly this is a direct result of President Trump's immigration policy.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 15, 2019 02:38 PM (NWiLs)

285 I'm sick. One of the touch stones of Western Civilization. This is almost as bad as if St. Peter's in Rome caught fire.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin at April 15, 2019 02:34 PM (ebZss)

That's exactly how this is hitting me. Think about the hundreds of masons and carpenters and artists and laborers who built --and maintained--that beautiful Cathedral over the many centuries.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2019 02:38 PM (NFEMn)

286 Can't snark. This is just awful.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 15, 2019 02:35 PM (3RKQd)

Agree. I only hope there were no injuries.

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at April 15, 2019 02:38 PM (IqOTP)

287 The Cathedral of Notre Dame is on fire. I know, lets take a cheap shot a President Trump. Totally appropriate, yo!

Posted by: World MSM at April 15, 2019 02:38 PM (cqi/F)

288 276 This will be the totalitarian EU's Reichstag to stomp out nationalist movements.
Posted by: bane at April 15, 2019 02:37 PM (YmfOS)



Yup. The Yellow Vests are going to catch hell.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2019 02:38 PM (zBaqJ)

289 Shockingly the CBS N has not been political yet.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2019 02:38 PM (r+sAi)

290 252
Look at the bright side...at least they'll have plenty of ash for Wednesday.



Too soon?

Posted by: Nightclub Comedian at April 15, 2019 02:34 PM (+rqF4)

Too late actually. Ash Wednesday was last month. Nice effort tho.

Posted by: Mexican Border at April 15, 2019 02:38 PM (CQ3Qb)

291 266
Can't snark. This is just awful.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 15, 2019 02:35 PM (3RKQd)
Gallows humor. I'm sure there's an asshole or two who's good with this, I think the rest of us are saddened by it, even if it is in France.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 02:38 PM (37IEG)

292 243 That smarmy, mincing POS Shep just cut off a guy who was going to tell us about a spate of fires at churches all over the country in France. Shep might not agree with the implication of what the guy was saying, but I sure would like have heard some of that background information.

Posted by: Thatch at April 15, 2019 02:33 PM (i/MqO)

Kind of wish the President would call attention to this. Keep them honest.

Posted by: trev006 at April 15, 2019 02:38 PM (6n54H)

293 247 How does one say "Heads are going to roll for this" in French?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pick Up A Copy of The Daily Panic at The Outrage Outlet! at April 15, 2019 02:34 PM (hLRSq)


guillotine

Posted by: Braenyard at April 15, 2019 02:38 PM (2PgZd)

294 Odd that it would be a workplace accident after normal working hours

Posted by: josephistan at April 15, 2019 02:38 PM (7HtZB)

295 Good ol' Shep just gave us a lecture a few minutes ago about not speculating this could be terror related.. "It is counterproductive and does no one on the planet any good"..

Thanks, Shep

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 15, 2019 02:38 PM (so+oy)

296 Re: finally getting water on it. I've never been to France so does anybody know what the streets look like? Can you even drive a fire truck down them? All I know is from movies and from that it seems like it might be hard to deploy a fire brigade.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at April 15, 2019 02:38 PM (kUmUV)

297
Inside Notre Dame, there was a little model that showed the various stages of development, destruction, rebuilding and glorifying the Church. You can almost match it to the development of Western Civ.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee


Does that mean Western Civ is burning down?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 15, 2019 02:39 PM (aKsyK)

298 You'd think with all the car fires in Paris that the fire department would be well equipped .

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 02:39 PM (rxtQa)

299 I wonder if there are even enough craftsmen left with the skills to recreate the interior. Plus if it was hard to get firefighters in it will be a stone bitch to get heavy construction equipment in there.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 02:39 PM (RD7QR)

300 I was going to snark about putting up the spires so a mosk could be built there, but I find this horrifically tragic. One of THE most iconic churches in the world, gone

Posted by: Phil Hartmark F/K/A Truck Monkey at April 15, 2019 02:39 PM (flINI)

301 I hate to say it, but CNN covers these types of things better than FOX.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2019 02:39 PM (NFEMn)

302 I'm sorry, we can't give you permission to rebuild that as a church...

Posted by: Brussels at April 15, 2019 02:39 PM (gHCnG)

303 As a country? I believe their revolution was after ours.

The sequel is never better than the original.

-----------

One was based on liberty.

The other on mob rule.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 02:39 PM (sX1BW)

304 "About 10-15 minutes ago the anchor on the live feed from FRANCE 24 said the mayor has said it's an accident."

How the hell does he know? There's no way he can. Obviously then he's just trying to get the narrative started.

Posted by: mediapostate at April 15, 2019 02:39 PM (+ZhJh)

305 Good ol' Shep just gave us a lecture a few minutes ago about not speculating this could be terror related.. "It is counterproductive and does no one on the planet any good"..


Counterproductive to what? Fighting the fire?
Shep! is such an idiot.
Or as the French say, idiot.

Posted by: LASue at April 15, 2019 02:39 PM (XROPS)

306

Holy crap, the media/authorities have lost all credibility...

My very far Left boss just said she doesn't care if they say it's an accident, that she doesn't believe it, and "we all know" what this is.

I don't even agree with that - because it's too early to say anything for sure. But, that makes the fact they're calling it an accident suspicious on it's own.

And if they've lost credibility with this lady, well... that's a bad sign for them.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2019 02:39 PM (AzW6q)

307 Just prior to the fire, Tater might have chosen some unfortunate words.

CNN's Stelter Blames 'Right-Wing' Media 'Arsonists' For 'Creating' Omar-9/11 Controversy

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 02:39 PM (+y/Ru)

308 I'll tell you what. You can make fun of the French, but if you saw the images of firefighters I saw, you might wonder how they walk with those huge balls.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2019 02:39 PM (VpIIl)

309 254 247 How does one say "Heads are going to roll for this" in French?


tootoo aloo

Posted by: Villum Hayes at April 15, 2019 02:40 PM (RZ6R1)

310 Sic transit gloria mundi.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 15, 2019 02:40 PM (AM1GF)

311 Inside Notre Dame, there was a little model that showed the various stages of development, destruction, rebuilding and glorifying the Church. You can almost match it to the development of Western Civ.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee

Does that mean Western Civ is burning down?

----------

A metaphor so obvious, it shall be ignored.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 02:40 PM (sX1BW)

312 Prager said there has been renovation going on but didn't know if it caused it.

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 02:40 PM (BbGew)

313 A mayor would likely not want the riots that would likely ensue if it were to get out while it was still burning that it was arson.
Posted by: simplemind at April 15, 2019 2:37 PM (DYNzp)


Accidentally never installed sprinklers.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 15, 2019 02:40 PM (1g7ch)

314 you cannot trust muzzie "construction" fuck ups.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 15, 2019 02:40 PM (KP5rU)

315 295
Good ol' Shep just gave us a lecture a few minutes ago about not
speculating this could be terror related.. "It is counterproductive and
does no one on the planet any good"..



Thanks, Shep

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 15, 2019 02:38 PM (so+oy)

Even filtered-through-the-Horde Shep! comments make me naseous.
Why is that douche-nozzle still there?!?

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 15, 2019 02:40 PM (ufFY8)

316 OH Damn, it looks like one of the rose windows blew out.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2019 02:40 PM (r+sAi)

317 279
We need some insight here on who may have been incited to ignite the fire.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 15, 2019 02:37 PM (+fPHo)

The Presbyterians, obviously. Again!

Posted by: Mexican Border at April 15, 2019 02:40 PM (CQ3Qb)

318 Maybe up the security at st Paul's and st Peter's this week, just saying

Posted by: brak at April 15, 2019 02:40 PM (sZzDP)

319 A better site than the second one I posted in 280.


https://tinyurl.com/y4dwd6jq

Posted by: Gref at April 15, 2019 02:41 PM (AMIL/)

320 Is it too early for the Fire cannot melt steel argument? If that scaffolding comes down, those walls are going with the scaffolding.

Posted by: BifBewalski - sofa king we Todd did at April 15, 2019 02:41 PM (td8Ta)

321 >>Re: finally getting water on it. I've never been to France so does anybody know what the streets look like? Can you even drive a fire truck down them? All I know is from movies and from that it seems like it might be hard to deploy a fire brigade.

Extremely hard. Small, narrow streets with lots of traffic. Plus Notre Dame is on an island in the middle of the Seine making access even more difficult.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 15, 2019 02:41 PM (/tuJf)

322 Does that mean Western Civ is burning down?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.


It is pretty on the nose, isn't it?

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 15, 2019 02:41 PM (AM1GF)

323 Regarding the efforts of firefighters. Let's get some perspective here:

The only images we have are from blocks and blocks away. We have no idea what they were doing from the inside, or what is out of our view.

It is nearly 115 feet the the ceiling of the knave in that cathedral. Probably another 2 feet of timbers, roofing material, and so forth. That's equivalent to a ten story building. You're not going to reach that from the ground with hand lines. I am not familiar enough with the roads around there regarding access for fire equipment.

Most truck companies in this country have 100' to 110' ladders and towers. I would assume the Paris fire brigades have something similar. It takes space and time to get them into position, and even then, you have to worry about collapse. A church of this size is very prone to collapse once the roof burns off, and the roof burning off was a forgone conclusion on this fire. You don't put firefighters and equipment in the collapse zone.

As for boats, you have the same access and reach issues to contend with. I realize this is on an island, but how far from shore? The bigger fire boats can reach 300' out at 100-125' high, but the cathedral looks to be about 200' from the closest shore. And that's assuming a boat of that capacity could draft in the Seine and get right to the shore.

As for air drops, the idea has merit but is impractical. A helicopter bucket drop averages about 250 gallons. That's a ton of water. Literally. So you're dropping 2,000lbs of water on a structure already weakened by fire. That weight, and resulting debris, is going to go somewhere. You might put the fire out, but you'll still destroy the building.

Church fires are losers from the first spark. To big of an area, too much combustible framing, no way to get an effective and sufficient fire flow going quickly.

It's a terrible tragedy, and I hope the workers who started it (and this is the most likely and common cause of such things) aren't of the ROP persuasion. Know how we'll know? If it never gets reported how it really happened......

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at April 15, 2019 02:41 PM (uopCm)

324 So far the early reports are that the fire might have been set off accidentally by workmen.

Horrible no matter how it happened.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 15, 2019 02:41 PM (zBaqJ)

325 288 276 This will be the totalitarian EU's Reichstag to stomp out nationalist movements. 
Posted by: bane at April 15, 2019 02:37 PM (YmfOS) 

At least the Reichstag fire was a frame-up that made sense.

I genuinely don't think the French police would crack down -more- on the nationalists after something like this. Quite the opposite.

Posted by: trev006 at April 15, 2019 02:41 PM (6n54H)

326 What the fire doesn't destroy the water to end the fire will.

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 02:42 PM (BbGew)

327 305 Good ol' Shep just gave us a lecture a few minutes ago about not speculating

As in "can I possibly fit this in my ass"

Posted by: Shep at April 15, 2019 02:42 PM (RZ6R1)

328 290 252
Look at the bright side...at least they'll have plenty of ash for Wednesday.

Too soon?
Posted by: Nightclub Comedian at April 15, 2019 02:34 PM (+rqF4)

Too late actually. Ash Wednesday was last month. Nice effort tho.
Posted by: Mexican Border at April 15, 2019 02:38 PM

The Western notion of time is a tool of patriarchal, colonizing oppressors!

Posted by: Feminist Nightclub Comedian Of Color at April 15, 2019 02:42 PM (+rqF4)

329 I live more than 10 miles from Paris. Local arson story.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at April 15, 2019 02:42 PM (dNzKv)

330 "The Presbyterians, obviously. Again!"

Well, the Huguenots did take a crack at it once.

Posted by: mediapostate at April 15, 2019 02:42 PM (+ZhJh)

331 I can't watch. Too heartbreaking. And during Holy Week, no less.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 02:31 PM (ptqGC)

Same.

Posted by: pookysgirl has always been an iowan at April 15, 2019 02:42 PM (XKZwp)

332 I am looking at pictures of all the stone work on the spires.. irreplaceable.. gone forever..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 15, 2019 02:42 PM (so+oy)

333 I'm sure French firemen are doing all they can.

One thing that is different about the Paris Fire Brigade (Brigade des Sapeurs-Pompiers de Paris) from fire departments here in the U.S. is that it is a unit of the French Army. It is the third largest fire service in the world (about 8500 firefighters), after the Tokyo FD and the FDNY. Napoleon made the BSPP a military organization by imperial decree in 1810. The BSPP firefighters are trained to shoot as part of their training and march with assault rifles during the annual Bastille Day parade.

Posted by: Basement Cat at April 15, 2019 02:42 PM (pPNCa)

334 299
I wonder if there are even enough craftsmen left with the skills to
recreate the interior. Plus if it was hard to get firefighters in it
will be a stone bitch to get heavy construction equipment in there.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 02:39 PM (RD7QR)

Trump should send them a bunch of Mexicans.

Posted by: Mexican Border at April 15, 2019 02:42 PM (CQ3Qb)

335 324 So far the early reports are that the fire might have been set off accidentally by workmen.


Yes, that's what i heard too... hate to be them

Posted by: It's me donna at April 15, 2019 02:42 PM (O2RFr)

336 Restoration work had been going on. Dollars to donuts a subcontractor 's worker did something incredibly stupid.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin at April 15, 2019 02:42 PM (ebZss)

337 I notice that the BBC had to get a dig in at Trump in their coverage.

Assholes.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 02:36 PM (0OWcv)


What was the basis of the dig? Perhaps I'm benighted, but I cannot conceive of any connection between Trump and this fire.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 02:42 PM (x3tTl)

338 Welp, my husband just triggered my prog sister responding to a text. He said he hoped it would be an accident, and not arson.

He just started WWIII with my crazy sister.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 02:42 PM (ptqGC)

339
@bkamisar

Joaquin Castro posts $31k total in net contributions, $71k spent and $88k in COH for 2019 Q1.

Still time to decide on Senate, but certainly not fundraising like he's running, at least as of March 31

Posted by: Ha at April 15, 2019 02:42 PM (MAstk)

340 Maybe up the security at st Paul's and st Peter's this week, just saying
Posted by: brak at April 15, 2019 02:40 PM (sZzDP)

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 15, 2019 02:42 PM (Ki5SV)

341 >>> Now it can be replaced with a mosque. Like the one at WTC.

They already did this is Constantinople...oh excuse me I mean Istanbul, my bad, with the Hagia Sophia. Was a cathedral now is a mosque. That will be the blueprint for all Christian buildings going forward, at least the ones not converted into trendy restaurants or discotheques.

Posted by: LizLem at April 15, 2019 02:42 PM (TREid)

342 inside job

Posted by: 9/11 truther at April 15, 2019 02:42 PM (FZYNt)

343 Think of all the economic growth associated with the restoration. Profit!

Posted by: Not Bastiat at April 15, 2019 02:43 PM (0XyIg)

344 This will be the totalitarian EU's Reichstag to stomp out nationalist movements.
Posted by: bane at April 15, 2019 02:37 PM (YmfOS)


It is almost too prefect -

Hey, let's use the loss of a national monument to stomp the nationalist movement.

Posted by: Bro Fo Omar at April 15, 2019 02:43 PM (1g7ch)

345 > I wonder if there are even enough craftsmen left with the skills to recreate the interior.

The skills do still exist, and they're well-documented should it become necessary to train people.

It's not like it has to be repaired by next week... cathedral construction schedules are different from normal construction schedules, even in the modern era.

Work on the National Cathedral in DC has been under construction since 1907. Sagrada Familia in Barcelona has been under construction since 1882.




Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 02:43 PM (0OWcv)

346 304
"About 10-15 minutes ago the anchor on the live feed from FRANCE 24 said the mayor has said it's an accident."



How the hell does he know? There's no way he can. Obviously then he's just trying to get the narrative started.

Posted by: mediapostate at April 15, 2019 02:39 PM (+ZhJh)
I just received a call from Achmed Mohammed Mohammed, the worker who left the torch in the rag pile under the 200 year old fabric hangings, and he assures me leaving that torch there was a complete accident.

Posted by: Mayor of Paris at April 15, 2019 02:43 PM (37IEG)

347 Regarding the efforts of firefighters. Let's get some perspective here:

The only images we have are from blocks and blocks away. We have no idea what they were doing from the inside, or what is out of our view.

It is nearly 115 feet the the ceiling of the knave in that cathedral. Probably another 2 feet of timbers, roofing material, and so forth. That's equivalent to a ten story building. You're not going to reach that from the ground with hand lines. I am not familiar enough with the roads around there regarding access for fire equipment.

Most truck companies in this country have 100' to 110' ladders and towers. I would assume the Paris fire brigades have something similar. It takes space and time to get them into position, and even then, you have to worry about collapse. A church of this size is very prone to collapse once the roof burns off, and the roof burning off was a forgone conclusion on this fire. You don't put firefighters and equipment in the collapse zone.

As for boats, you have the same access and reach issues to contend with. I realize this is on an island, but how far from shore? The bigger fire boats can reach 300' out at 100-125' high, but the cathedral looks to be about 200' from the closest shore. And that's assuming a boat of that capacity could draft in the Seine and get right to the shore.

As for air drops, the idea has merit but is impractical. A helicopter bucket drop averages about 250 gallons. That's a ton of water. Literally. So you're dropping 2,000lbs of water on a structure already weakened by fire. That weight, and resulting debris, is going to go somewhere. You might put the fire out, but you'll still destroy the building.

Church fires are losers from the first spark. To big of an area, too much combustible framing, no way to get an effective and sufficient fire flow going quickly.

It's a terrible tragedy, and I hope the workers who started it (and this is the most likely and common cause of such things) aren't of the ROP persuasion. Know how we'll know? If it never gets reported how it really happened......
Posted by: Eustace H



so, you think that dropping water would be worse than doing nothing and letting it burn. ok then.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 02:43 PM (MTjB1)

348 I am so glad I got to see it last year. It was magnificent.

Posted by: Weirddave at April 15, 2019 02:43 PM (hdaWn)

349 Thank you for your courage and girthy penis.
Posted by: ace at April 15, 2019 02:35 PM (PbpT7)


Full disclosure: I was the man.

Posted by: Humble Jake Tapper at April 15, 2019 02:43 PM (XROPS)

350 They've been trying to fund the renovation, but the French government was being cheap and there was actually a global outreach to try and fund it. I think the bill was about 4150 million and the French government was only contributing about $2 million Euro a year. God only knows what corners they were cutting. There was some renovation going on during the off tourist hours, so who knows what happened.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2019 02:43 PM (VpIIl)

351 Off, stinky pig sock! Off!

Posted by: pookysgirl at April 15, 2019 02:43 PM (XKZwp)

352
My very far Left boss just said she doesn't care if they say it's an accident, that she doesn't believe it, and "we all know" what this is.

And if they've lost credibility with this lady, well... that's a bad sign for them.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice


Is the far left boss blaming it on the far right?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 15, 2019 02:43 PM (aKsyK)

353 the flying tankers should arrive any minute now, if they sent them when Trump tweeted about it. After they mocked him (sorta) on NBC, as if that was not possible, it would be neat if they showed up.


They need the helicopters that could scoop right from the water nearby. imo ... can't really tell what is being pumped in now ... just a couple visible high rise pumpers.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 15, 2019 02:43 PM (Cus5s)

354 290 252
Look at the bright side...at least they'll have plenty of ash for Wednesday.

Too soon?
Posted by: Nightclub Comedian at April 15, 2019 02:34 PM (+rqF4)

Too late actually. Ash Wednesday was last month. Nice effort tho.
Posted by: Mexican Border at April 15, 2019 02:38 PM


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This may be my favorite set of comments of all time on this board.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 02:43 PM (sX1BW)

355 Surprised the Left and their little SJW's aren't cheering this, since they hate the Catholic Church (all Christians) and they're all about tearing down statues and erasing history.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 15, 2019 02:43 PM (RBOtF)

356 So, where Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson put in charge of the renovations?

Posted by: Darth Randall at April 15, 2019 02:43 PM (/Njku)

357 338: it was bound to happen. sooner or later.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 15, 2019 02:43 PM (KP5rU)

358 "My gut feeling guess is some lazy laborer did something stupid and against safety regulations. Bad drop cord, faulty wiring, gauloises in the garbage can, something like that"

Well that will be the "official" story. Shep cut off the French official talking about the most likely cause.

https://tinyurl.com/y5wnuere

"A report from the Central Criminal Intelligence Service of the gendarmerie noted that from 2016 to 2018 there had been thousands of cases of church vandalism, peaking in 2017 with 1,045 cases, Le Figaro reports.
According to the French Interior Ministry, when cemeteries and other sites are taken into consideration, the number of acts of vandalism rose to 1,063 in 2018.
Earlier this year, in one week alone, in a detestable case of anti-Christian vandalism, France saw twelve churches vandalised, including attackers attempting to set fire to the church of Saint-Sulpice in Paris."

Posted by: Time for Arrests at April 15, 2019 02:44 PM (M8X4S)

359 Here is a map of Paris:
https://tinyurl.com/y7xvstjf

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2019 02:44 PM (r+sAi)

360 If you're on an island with narrow streets maybe take that into consideration when allocating and distributing emergency services.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 15, 2019 02:44 PM (4e+hS)

361 Maybe up the security at st Paul's and st Peter's this week, just saying
Posted by: brak at April 15, 2019 02:40 PM (sZzDP)


Hear me now and believe me later - Frankie Fabulous will ostentatiously wash the feet of an invited French Muslim delegation on Maundy Thursday to show his love and solidarity with the goat-felchers.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 15, 2019 02:44 PM (Ki5SV)

362 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at April 15, 2019 02:44 PM (IXZGh)

363
From what I see of the fire, it's concentrated around scaffolding on the roof. Which means it could be a construction "accident."

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In an earlier thread, someone noted that a lot of these structures have permanent scaffolding around them due to tax purposes.


Also, buildings like this are renovated all the time and this does not happen.

Finally, it's Holy Week and the islamists like symbolic dates.


That being said, my bet is still on the ROP; perhaps a "renovation worker."

Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 02:44 PM (Z3zSO)

364 Does that mean Western Civ is burning down?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

It is pretty on the nose, isn't it?
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I'm big on symbols. And lets face it

Sometimes you people are pretty thick

Posted by: Your Father who art in Heaven at April 15, 2019 02:44 PM (vTnqw)

365 353 the flying tankers should arrive any minute now, if they sent them when Trump tweeted about it. After they mocked him (sorta) on NBC, as if that was not possible, it would be neat if they showed up.


And what is mockable about that? fires in the US have tankers fly in... Fuck them

Posted by: It's me donna at April 15, 2019 02:44 PM (O2RFr)

366 Why is the French media trashing Trump? Put out the damn fire, you assholes.

Posted by: Sponge at April 15, 2019 02:44 PM (IXZGh)

367 305 Good ol' Shep just gave us a lecture a few minutes ago about not speculating



As in "can I possibly fit this in my ass"

Posted by: Shep at April 15, 2019 02:42 PM (RZ6R1)


He haughtily said to a French official who was speculating, "What if?" "NOT ON MY WATCH, YOU DON'T!!!!"

Gah, I can't stand him.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 02:44 PM (ptqGC)

368 Restoration work had been going on. Dollars to donuts a subcontractor 's worker did something incredibly stupid.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin

.............

The fires didn't start until about 6:30 pm Paris time.. I wonder if someone left a torch going and left for the day.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 15, 2019 02:45 PM (so+oy)

369 Is the far left boss blaming it on the far right?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 15, 2019 02:43 PM (aKsyK)

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No, she means ROP. Seriously, nobody believes anything these people say about anything anymore.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2019 02:45 PM (AzW6q)

370 So far the early reports are that the fire might have been set off accidentally by workmen.

After 800 years of workmen up there, there's a fire during Holy Week?

I hate that this is happening.

Posted by: t-bird at April 15, 2019 02:45 PM (Ry8mf)

371 George Washington and Donald Trump - two Americans that make the British shit their pants.

Posted by: Archer at April 15, 2019 02:45 PM (gmo/4)

372 321 >>Re: finally getting water on it. I've never been to France so does anybody know what the streets look like? Can you even drive a fire truck down them? All I know is from movies and from that it seems like it might be hard to deploy a fire brigade.

Extremely hard. Small, narrow streets with lots of traffic. Plus Notre Dame is on an island in the middle of the Seine making access even more difficult.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 15, 2019 02:41 PM (/tuJf)



There IS a downside to those "dense, walkable, car-free" streets of which some "urban planners" are so fond.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at April 15, 2019 02:45 PM (ujg0T)

373 Watching France 24, Shep is to tiring

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 02:45 PM (BbGew)

374 I was going to snark about putting up the spires so a mosk could be built there, but I find this horrifically tragic. One of THE most iconic churches in the world, gone

Posted by: Phil Hartmark F/K/A Truck Monkey at April 15, 2019 02:39 PM (flINI)


Don't worry - this is AoSHQ, plenty of Morons have made the Muslim and mosque jokes.

Repeatedly.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pick Up A Copy of The Daily Panic at The Outrage Outlet! at April 15, 2019 02:45 PM (hLRSq)

375 I have a Feeling this will be ruled "accidental" whether it was or not, if you get my drift.
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Won't matter what it is 'ruled' after many years, the EU has gone all-in censorship which of course makes rumors worse.


Posted by: mustbequantum at April 15, 2019 02:45 PM (MIKMs)

376 299
I wonder if there are even enough craftsmen left with the skills to
recreate the interior. Plus if it was hard to get firefighters in it
will be a stone bitch to get heavy construction equipment in there.

There aren't any artists or craftsmen left in the whole world that can do work like that thing. Anything they do will look like a cheap copy. I hope to fvck it wasn't caused by who we're all thinking of. What a shame.

Posted by: dartist at April 15, 2019 02:46 PM (K22Va)

377 Shep! is such an idiot.
Or as the French say
, le royale with idiot..
Posted by: LASue at April 15, 2019 02:39 PM


FIFY.

Posted by: Vincent Vega at April 15, 2019 02:46 PM (RQfnU)

378 325 288276 This will be the totalitarian EU's Reichstag to stomp out nationalist movements.
Posted by: bane at April 15, 2019 02:37 PM (YmfOS)

At least the Reichstag fire was a frame-up that made sense.

I genuinely don't think the French police would crack down -more- on the nationalists after something like this. Quite the opposite.
Posted by: trev006 at April 15, 2019 02:41 PM (6n54H)

This is ClownWorld so it doenst have to make sense in any way. As a matter of fact, not making sense is the new norm.

Posted by: bane at April 15, 2019 02:46 PM (YmfOS)

379 Muslims on social media are all celebrating. This is sick.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 15, 2019 02:46 PM (ZGrMX)

380 Thermite Welding gone wrong.

Posted by: Roland THTG at April 15, 2019 02:46 PM (88+cf)

381 Is Janet Reno in Paris?

Posted by: Benji Carver at April 15, 2019 02:46 PM (OD2ni)

382 > That being said, my bet is still on the ROP; perhaps a "renovation worker."

If so: "Nice Kaaba you had there. Shame what happened to it."

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 02:46 PM (0OWcv)

383 Historians...help me out here.
Someone mentioned that even Hitler and the Germans couldn't destroy the cathedral. Was Paris bombed during WWII? I don't remember hearing anything about the city sustaining any damage.

Posted by: Mike at April 15, 2019 02:46 PM (+S3WW)

384 "most Parisians are secular, but they're crying in the streets. "

Perhaps, if most Parisians were Catholic and attended church, this wouldn't have happened. They have abandoned their churches. Is there really a need for them any more?

Posted by: notsothoreau at April 15, 2019 02:46 PM (JKNZq)

385 The fires didn't start until about 6:30 pm Paris time.. I wonder if someone left a torch going and left for the day.

I've seen a lot of fires started by rags soaked in flammable liquids that combust. Happens all the time

Posted by: It's me donna at April 15, 2019 02:46 PM (O2RFr)

386 I did see firemen inside, per twitter posts.
Still, it's all stone and wood. Heartbreaking.

Posted by: pj at April 15, 2019 02:46 PM (qlTN9)

387 Church fires are losers from the first spark. To big of an area, too much combustible framing, no way to get an effective and sufficient fire flow going quickly.

It's a terrible tragedy, and I hope the workers who started it (and this is the most likely and common cause of such things) aren't of the ROP persuasion. Know how we'll know? If it never gets reported how it really happened......
Posted by: Eustace H

Again, these are all things that should have been considered and a plan in place to limit the damage from any fire. This was not some regular building. This was an universal icon .

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 02:46 PM (rxtQa)

388 Too bad the French don't have some fire bombers to send it.
Posted by: Gerard vanderleun at April 15, 2019 02:22 PM (U2iYI)

They have a fleet of 12 Canadair water bombers, possibly more.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2019 02:46 PM (TfwlC)

389 338
Welp, my husband just triggered my prog sister responding to a text. He said he hoped it would be an accident, and not arson.

He just started WWIII with my crazy sister.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 02:42 PM (ptqGC)

If I had to choose between those two choices, I would choose "accident" over 'arson' every time. Duh!

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 15, 2019 02:47 PM (ufFY8)

390 Was Paris bombed during WWII?

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It was basically abandoned.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 02:47 PM (sX1BW)

391 Jeebus. Shep is an idiot. Cuts off the woman talking about a symbol of Catholicism to tell her it's a symbol of Paris. Whatever Fox pays him is way too much!
Had to turn it off.

Posted by: never enough caffeine at April 15, 2019 02:47 PM (N3JsI)

392 379 Muslims on social media are all celebrating. This is sick.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 15, 2019 02:46 PM (ZGrMX)

Of course they are.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 15, 2019 02:47 PM (NWiLs)

393 It can be rebuilt, but a lot of priceless works are gone except for tourist pictures.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2019 02:47 PM (r+sAi)

394 There IS a downside to those "dense, walkable, car-free" streets of which some "urban planners" are so fond.


well urban planners of that ilk tend to be Leftists

and Leftists can honestly do without human-scale yet magnificent religious architecture

so, honestly, for them this is a win. just as much as for Islam, the loss of this crucial piece of Western Euro/Christian culture is a win for the Left.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 15, 2019 02:48 PM (Rarvo)

395 Trump on Fox Business.


Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 15, 2019 02:48 PM (ufFY8)

396 @317 We need some insight here on who may have been incited to ignite the fire.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 15, 2019 02:37 PM (+fPHo)

The Presbyterians, obviously. Again!
Posted by: Mexican Border at April 15, 2019 02:40 PM (CQ3Qb)

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I admit it. It was us Latter-Day Saints.

You see, we want to build a second temple in Paris, and the Cathedral is on some prime property...

Posted by: junior at April 15, 2019 02:48 PM (Fp6vo)

397 Why do the French even care? When was the last time the majority of them even set foot in a church? Maybe y'all (the French, not the Morons) should have taken more care in its existence while it... you know, existed.

Posted by: Head Football Coach Howard Schnellenberger at April 15, 2019 02:48 PM (kzFDG)

398
334 299
I wonder if there are even enough craftsmen left with the skills to
recreate the interior. Plus if it was hard to get firefighters in it
will be a stone bitch to get heavy construction equipment in there.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 02:39 PM (RD7QR)
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Stonework can be replicated with CnC machines. I assume the Cathedral was electronically recorded down to the last cobnail. The timbers can be cut and finished likewise per stone. The glass is gone but if they were imaged they, too, can be replicated. The problem with this approach is you will end up with a machine made cathedral. Sort of the opposite of what it represented.

Posted by: Puddin Head - CNN at April 15, 2019 02:48 PM (2LelM)

399 > There aren't any artists or craftsmen left in the whole world that can do work like that thing.

Yes, there are.

Side-by-side new and old work at Sagrada Familia:

http://tinyurl.com/yxku7ps3

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 02:48 PM (0OWcv)

400 What was the basis of the dig? Perhaps I'm benighted, but I cannot conceive of any connection between Trump and this fire.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 02:42 PM (x3tTl)

The only thing I heard was they commented that Pres. Trump actually tweeted his sympathies before Macron did, which I thought was a compliment to Trump, not a dig.

Posted by: LASue at April 15, 2019 02:48 PM (XROPS)

401 Any solid info -- or rumors -- as to the cause??

I've now read two options being discussed:

-- Stray sparks caused by workmen doing restoration in the attic; or
-- "arson."

Any confirmation of either rumor, or any other cause?

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 02:48 PM (5tb4C)

402 Guess you'll need to import more workers!

Posted by: AOC at April 15, 2019 02:48 PM (jyVW0)

403 FBN airing his talk in MN.



Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 15, 2019 02:48 PM (ufFY8)

404 Notre Dame was hit by the Paris Gun during WWI, I've heard.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 15, 2019 02:48 PM (0XyIg)

405 Do they know what caused it?
Posted by: chique d'afrique back in the great USA at April 15, 2019 02:24 PM (bqWa4)
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About 10-15 minutes ago the anchor on the live feed from FRANCE 24 said the mayor has said it's an accident. How on earth they can say that while the fire is still raging is beyond me.


Posted by: bluebell at April 15, 2019 02:27 PM (aXucN)

so, arson but a "youth" of undetermined origin...

pre-season training for the annual car-b-q?

Posted by: SturmToddler at April 15, 2019 02:48 PM (8D42x)

406 So, a construction worker was just trying to make a litte creme brullee.

Posted by: JAS at April 15, 2019 02:49 PM (KOCKb)

407 Muslims on social media are all celebrating. This is sick.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 15, 2019 02:46 PM (ZGrMX)


I wish to God Trump would tweet that. Shove this down Ilhan's throat until the bitch chokes.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 15, 2019 02:49 PM (Ki5SV)

408 338 Welp, my husband just triggered my prog sister responding to a text. He said he hoped it would be an accident, and not arson.

He just started WWIII with my crazy sister.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 02:42 PM (ptqGC)

Was he supposed to hope it was arson?

The very first thing one of my kids said (on chat with them now) was "I hope it wasn't arson."

Posted by: Synova (reversion to pseudonymous) at April 15, 2019 02:49 PM (BD/yx)

409 381 Is Janet Reno in Paris?
Posted by: Benji Carver at April 15, 2019 02:46 PM (OD2ni)

If you hear initial official reports that the hunchback starting shooting first, you'll have your answer.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 15, 2019 02:49 PM (NWiLs)

410 I didn't really get to tour Notre Dame when i was in Paris, I went to celebrate Mass.

Posted by: josephistan at April 15, 2019 02:49 PM (7HtZB)

411 We need some insight here on who may have been incited to ignite the fire.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 15, 2019 02:37 PM (+fPHo)

The Presbyterians, obviously. Again!
Posted by: Mexican Border at April 15, 2019 02:40 PM (CQ3Qb)

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I admit it. It was us Latter-Day Saints.

You see, we want to build a second temple in Paris, and the Cathedral is on some prime property...
Posted by: junior

My money is on the Salvation Army. Those bastards are deceptive.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 02:49 PM (0OWcv)

412 Was Paris bombed during WWII?

Crikey, it was wartime! Valu-Rite wasn't so, how you say, easy to get.

Posted by: @JRandomMoron at April 15, 2019 02:49 PM (RQfnU)

413 I couldn't really think of a more perfect symbol for what is happening in Europe re: their religious & national heritages.

Posted by: 29Victor at April 15, 2019 02:49 PM (BJKQV)

414 Any solid info -- or rumors -- as to the cause??

I've now read two options being discussed:

-- Stray sparks caused by workmen doing restoration in the attic; or
-- "arson."

Any confirmation of either rumor, or any other cause?
Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 02:48 PM (5tb4C)

Yes, but this started at the top of the Cathedral. Little tough to believe it's arson.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2019 02:49 PM (NFEMn)

415 Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 02:43 PM (MTjB1)

You know what, shit poster, your straw men and false analogies might play well at MSNBC and CNN, but they fall flat here.

No one, ANYWHERE, in what I typed, did I suggest that.

Take a reading comprehension course.

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at April 15, 2019 02:49 PM (uopCm)

416 374)
Don't worry - this is AoSHQ, plenty of Morons have made the Muslim and mosque jokes.

Repeatedly.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pick Up A Copy of The Daily Panic at The Outrage Outlet! at April 15, 2019 02:45 PM

But not the same joke twice. Amy Schumer doesn't post here, after all. Just her sock.

Posted by: Grimaldi at April 15, 2019 02:49 PM (+rqF4)

417 I just hope no firefighters get hurt. The rest can be fixed.

Posted by: LASue at April 15, 2019 02:49 PM (XROPS)

418

Question: Would it not be possible to have high powered cameras mounted on aerostats that can detect sudden amounts of smoke over a populated area? So, then we could have a situation where the Fire Department is the first one to know when a blaze breaks out?

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 15, 2019 02:49 PM (Xqo6t)

419
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by the incompetence of the French worker.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 15, 2019 02:49 PM (TAmPV)

420 Ya'll think that some people did something?

Posted by: Rep Ilan Omar at April 15, 2019 02:49 PM (flINI)

421 If they start mumbling about "anti - muslim backlash".

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 02:49 PM (37IEG)

422 Shep just said that he wasn't going to talk about something he has no knowledge of. Then STFU Shep.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 15, 2019 02:50 PM (gC2IV)

423 A fan of black metal was arrested last week for the church burnings in Louisiana. They're notorious for doing this in Europe, especially the wacko Norwegian Black Metal fans.

Posted by: Mark1971 at April 15, 2019 02:50 PM (xPl2J)

424 Since there were no deaths or injuries reported, we should know pretty quickly if the fire ignition was a work-related accident. At least, one would think so.

Posted by: mrp at April 15, 2019 02:50 PM (Pqytn)

425 Damn, Notre Dame burned down. If I got fired from my job I was gonna claim sanctuary. So much for that plan.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain, who had a B-Wing, and called it Brad at April 15, 2019 02:50 PM (Clxcy)

426 I wonder if there are even enough craftsmen left with the skills to recreate the interior.

There are, but there are too many administrators to let them do it. God knows what France's OSHA is like.

Posted by: t-bird at April 15, 2019 02:50 PM (CDGwz)

427 https://twitter.com/JewishWorker/
status/1117854674479009792

Shitheels come in all kinds. Good to point out who they are.

Posted by: Total Control Racist at April 15, 2019 02:50 PM (O5f1Y)

428 The only thing I heard was they commented that Pres. Trump actually tweeted his sympathies before Macron did, which I thought was a compliment to Trump, not a dig.
Posted by: LASue at April 15, 2019 02:48 PM (XROPS)
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I heard the same and thought the same, Sue.

Posted by: bluebell at April 15, 2019 02:50 PM (aXucN)

429 > What was the basis of the dig?

They were making fun of his suggestion to drop water on it from aerial tankers.

You know, like civilized countries do with big fires all the time.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 02:50 PM (0OWcv)

430 Shep just said that he wasn't going to talk about something he has no knowledge of.

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Catholicism?

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 02:51 PM (sX1BW)

431 they aren't worried about harming the interior structure with a water drop (or retardants?) ... imo the main fire is already on the ground, or will be soon. But the hoses may be reaching that from lower levels, idk.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 15, 2019 02:51 PM (Cus5s)

432 There aren't any artists or craftsmen left in the whole world that can do work like that thing.

Yes, there are.

Side-by-side new and old work at Sagrada Familia:

http://tinyurl.com/yxku7ps3
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 02:48 PM (0OWcv)

Yes, but there are fewer of them and it probably costs a lot more.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2019 02:51 PM (NFEMn)

433 >>If you're on an island with narrow streets maybe take that into consideration when allocating and distributing emergency services.

I've done quite a bit of work with firefighters over the years including the French. The truth is most big cities are scary underprepared for these massive fire events because of the density of the cities and size of some of the structures.

Sprinklers and active measure are vital and where they don't exist this type of event isn't all that surprising. Fire can spread amazingly fast, particularly in an old wood structure like the frame of Notre Dame.

And no agencies are more underfunded than fire departments.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 15, 2019 02:51 PM (/tuJf)

434 Shep just said that he wasn't going to talk about something he has no knowledge of.

Vagina?

Posted by: Mark1971 at April 15, 2019 02:51 PM (xPl2J)

435 Yes, but this started at the top of the Cathedral. Little tough to believe it's arson.
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I'll take "ROP affirmative action restoration worker for $1000 Alex"

Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 02:51 PM (Z3zSO)

436 Reports of other churches?

Posted by: Jy at April 15, 2019 02:51 PM (gB+8C)

437 GOD, TRUMP, YOU'RE SO STUPID!! you can't drop water on it, you'll get the church wet

Posted by: College Sophomore at April 15, 2019 02:52 PM (kzFDG)

438 Jeebus. Shep is an idiot. Cuts off the woman talking about a symbol of Catholicism to tell her it's a symbol of Paris. Whatever Fox pays him is way too much!
Had to turn it off.
Posted by: never enough caffeine


Hmmmm....Cathedral...Catholic...

Nope. Not seeing the connection.

Posted by: eleven at April 15, 2019 02:52 PM (NLLmE)

439 379 Muslims on social media are all celebrating. This is sick.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 15, 2019 02:46 PM (ZGrMX)

link?

Posted by: m at April 15, 2019 02:52 PM (C7rlo)

440 I live in church world, and I think it's unlikely that work crews would be doing work on the cathedral during Holy Week.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 15, 2019 02:52 PM (lwiT4)

441 430 Shep just said that he wasn't going to talk about something he has no knowledge of.

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Vaginal sex?

Posted by: Puddin Head - CNN at April 15, 2019 02:52 PM (2LelM)

442 Given this is socialist France, I figure 200 years for the restoration.

Posted by: Iblis at April 15, 2019 02:52 PM (FpDHp)

443 two Americans that make the British shit their pants.

They aren't fond of Andrew Jackson either. One of his sharpshooters killed Wellington's brother-in-law (the leader of the British force at the Battle of New Orleans).

Posted by: Basement Cat at April 15, 2019 02:52 PM (pPNCa)

444 If I can't blame it on Trump, I am not that interested in it. Quick, someone figure out how to blame this on Trump for me. I've got a CNN hit scheduled this afternoon and have to say something.

Posted by: Ana Navarro at April 15, 2019 02:52 PM (hdzef)

445 This is ClownWorld so it doenst have to make sense in any way. As a matter of fact, not making sense is the new norm.

Posted by: bane at April 15, 2019 02:46 PM (YmfOS)

That is true, and Christ knows Macron is dumb enough to try something like this. Even if he can find chiefs willing to debase themselves like this, there is a non-zero chance that armor and guns will find themselves in nationalist hands.

Posted by: trev006 at April 15, 2019 02:52 PM (6n54H)

446 430 Shep just said that he wasn't going to talk about something he has no knowledge of.

he's going to be standing stock silent for the rest of his career

Posted by: Head Football Coach Howard Schnellenberger at April 15, 2019 02:52 PM (kzFDG)

447 I'm going to go ahead and pin this one on the moslems. They've earned it.

Posted by: Chris M at April 15, 2019 02:52 PM (eAZVt)

448 The only thing I heard was they commented that Pres. Trump actually tweeted his sympathies before Macron did, which I thought was a compliment to Trump, not a dig.
Posted by: LASue at April 15, 2019 02:48 PM (XROPS)
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He tweeted his sympathies....and then said they should drop water on it. That's getting the Left unhinged.

But Trump is a fucking BUILDER. If course hes going to say something like that.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2019 02:53 PM (NFEMn)

449 Shep just said that he wasn't going to talk about something he has no knowledge of
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Wait a minute . . .

Posted by: simplemind at April 15, 2019 02:53 PM (C6xeQ)

450 Shep just said that he wasn't going to talk about something he has no knowledge of.

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Catholicism?
Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 02:51 PM (sX1BW)


Consensual heterosexual sex?

Posted by: Sponge at April 15, 2019 02:53 PM (IXZGh)

451 Ya'll think that some people did something?
Posted by: Rep Ilan Omar



Not the people with the water.

Posted by: eleven at April 15, 2019 02:53 PM (NLLmE)

452 436 Reports of other churches?

..


If true, they're all accidents.

Posted by: Ha at April 15, 2019 02:53 PM (MAstk)

453 430 Shep just said that he wasn't going to talk about something he has no knowledge of.

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?! Thirty minutes ago I heard him declare that Notre Damn was "burning to the ground". (I immediately turned off the set).

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 15, 2019 02:53 PM (Xqo6t)

454
Some pictures of the wood framing. I can't read French so I don't know exactly what is depicted, but it seems the whole roof/ceiling is supported by wood. Old, dry wood.

https://tinyurl.com/y3dobcjv

Posted by: Gref at April 15, 2019 02:53 PM (AMIL/)

455 Fire bad.

Posted by: blaster at April 15, 2019 02:53 PM (9VeU0)

456 422 Shep just said that he wasn't going to talk about something he has no knowledge of. Then STFU Shep.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 15, 2019 02:50 PM (gC2IV)

If he's going to do that, he needs to quit the news business entirely.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 15, 2019 02:54 PM (NWiLs)

457
Shep just said that he wasn't going to talk about something he has no knowledge of.


Self control?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 15, 2019 02:54 PM (TAmPV)

458 If they start mumbling about "anti - muslim backlash".

You know they will be....
(If it turns out to be deliberate arson)

and THIS time they may be right.
The yellow jackets will have zero fu*ks to give..


Posted by: McCool at April 15, 2019 02:54 PM (lWCRE)

459 You know what, shit poster, your straw men and false analogies might play well at MSNBC and CNN, but they fall flat here.

No one, ANYWHERE, in what I typed, did I suggest that.

Take a reading comprehension course.

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at A




so what was the point of this comment?

As for air drops, the idea has merit but is impractical. A helicopter bucket drop averages about 250 gallons. That's a ton of water. Literally. So you're dropping 2,000lbs of water on a structure already weakened by fire. That weight, and resulting debris, is going to go somewhere. You might put the fire out, but you'll still destroy the building.

Posted by: Eustace H



were you using some other form of the language where what you wrote is suggesting that using tankers was a good thing?

some suggested using tankers. you were arguing against doing so. do you know what you wrote? were you arguing for tankers?

even if tankers destroyed some of the building, if they saved some of the building that would be better than losing the entire thing. structural damage from tankers would be better than losing the art inside.

now you go back and read what you wrote and explain how what you said is not what you said.

then take whatever meds you need and maybe come back.


Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 02:54 PM (MTjB1)

460 I live in church world, and I think it's unlikely that work crews would be doing work on the cathedral during Holy Week.

we Catholic types don't consider today as a part of Holy Week tho. Palm Sunday is and then it skips to Holy (Maundy) Thursday.

so, no, they would have no reason to not be working today.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 15, 2019 02:54 PM (Rarvo)

461 eebus. Shep is an idiot. Cuts off the woman talking about a symbol of Catholicism to tell her it's a symbol of Paris. Whatever Fox pays him is way too much!
Had to turn it off.
Posted by: never enough caffeine

Shep obviously has an issue with Catholicism....

Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2019 02:54 PM (NFEMn)

462 I'm waffling between telling myself they're restore it, and still feeling sad because the restoration will be 'new', not the work of centuries old craftsmen.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 02:54 PM (37IEG)

463 @383 Was Paris bombed during WWII? I don't remember hearing anything about the city sustaining any damage.

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Not that I'm aware of. IIRC, Hitler did give orders to the general posted in Paris to destroy it before the Allies were able to capture it. But the general instead coordinated with the local French Resistance to ensure a quick and orderly surrender of German forces so that no Nazi zealots could try and carry out Hitler's order.

Posted by: junior at April 15, 2019 02:54 PM (Fp6vo)

464 I've never really seen the point of getting worked up over something one has no control over or ability to influence.

Objectively, this is a horrible loss to the world. Subjectively, is it less of a loss if I cry about it? More of a loss if I don't?


"Some thing happened to some place."

Posted by: mindful webworker coloring by numbers at April 15, 2019 02:55 PM (ZOlfu)

465 Switching to Fox Business. I can't stand Shep.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 02:55 PM (ptqGC)

466 390 Was Paris bombed during WWII?

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It was basically abandoned.
Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 02:47 PM (sX1BW)


Hitler wanted it burnt (Brennt Paris?), but the CO of the German forces withdrew and declared Paris an open city.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 02:55 PM (x3tTl)

467 I live in church world, and I think it's unlikely that work crews would be doing work on the cathedral during Holy Week.
Posted by: grammie winger at April 15, 2019 02:52 PM (lwiT4)

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I said the same in the last thread, grammie. Although I suppose it's possible if they are trying to hurry up and get something particular done right before the first Holy Week service, but I rather doubt it.

Posted by: bluebell at April 15, 2019 02:55 PM (aXucN)

468 >>so, no, they would have no reason to not be working today.

Other than being French.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 15, 2019 02:55 PM (/tuJf)

469 On YouTube if you don't want to hear Shep talking out his ass
https://youtu.be/RIXxTrAa9nc

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 02:56 PM (BbGew)

470 ot that I'm aware of. IIRC, Hitler did give orders to the general posted in Paris to destroy it before the Allies were able to capture it. But the general instead coordinated with the local French Resistance to ensure a quick and orderly surrender of German forces so that no Nazi zealots could try and carry out Hitler's order.
Posted by: junior at April 15, 2019 02:54 PM (Fp6vo)


Sorry, just saw this.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 02:56 PM (x3tTl)

471 Holy shit.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 15, 2019 02:56 PM (9Om/r)

472 Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at April 15, 2019 02:41 PM


Nice Summary Eustace.
Brings some common perspective to a rapidly and confusing unfolding story.

And I don't believe there is anyway they can know how it started unless they have the workman under wraps who has said, "Opps, my bad."
Possible...but...

Posted by: Diogenes at April 15, 2019 02:56 PM (0tfLf)

473 They're French fire fighters, so I assume they'll knock off after their 5 hour workday is done.

Posted by: Ted K. at April 15, 2019 02:56 PM (FJYfm)

474 Posted by: Mike at April 15, 2019 02:46 PM (+S3WW)


The Germans shelled Notre Dame in WW I and it took from 1919 till about 1939 to restore it.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2019 02:56 PM (VpIIl)

475 Breitbart had the story Shep's guest wanted to talk about.

2 weeks ago.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y4qyrk8r

Posted by: Methos at April 15, 2019 02:56 PM (kOpft)

476 Even if using tankers causes some damage, letting the fire burn uninterrupted will cause total damage.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 15, 2019 02:56 PM (J+mig)

477 >>> It can be rebuilt, but a lot of priceless works are gone except for tourist pictures.

Guy, a lot of famous places have been digitally scanned or had super high res pics made so you can digitally tour them online. I am hoping and praying that Notre Dame was one. Then I can do a digital tour of it since a real one is no longer possible, and study the now burnt to a cinder ceilings and interior.

Posted by: LizLem at April 15, 2019 02:56 PM (TREid)

478 Reports of other churches?
--

Over at Jihad Watch, there have been a number of reports of vandalism at French churches in the last few weeks.

Posted by: shibumi, still cynical and now married longer than Nicolas Cage! at April 15, 2019 02:56 PM (Z3zSO)

479 447
I'm going to go ahead and pin this one on the moslems. They've earned it.



Posted by: Chris M at April 15, 2019 02:52 PM (eAZVt)

If it be true, let it be so. No need to discredit honest grievances by just making shit up though.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2019 02:56 PM (t6MX/)

480 414 Yes, but this started at the top of the Cathedral. Little tough to believe it's arson.
Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2019 02:49 PM (NFEMn)

That's where the fire was first DETECTED (maybe). Finding out a fire started can take some investigation.

Posted by: m at April 15, 2019 02:56 PM (C7rlo)

481 you know the hardest thing about getting this rebuild will be the 35 hour work week.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 02:56 PM (MTjB1)

482 White nationalist with an AR-15 with flamethrower attachment will be primary suspect.

Posted by: Tentotwo at April 15, 2019 02:56 PM (yhf6w)

483 FWIW, heavy timbers don't just catch on fire from small sparks. Accelerant of building contents have to get going to light up the timbers. In early age of steel buildings they found steel performed poorly compared to timber framing and required fireproofing on the steel.

Posted by: Bro Fo Omar at April 15, 2019 02:56 PM (1g7ch)

484 I hope they were able to evacuate some of the almost priceless art and artifacts out of the church.

Posted by: Defenestratus at April 15, 2019 02:57 PM (kI/3T)

485 384> "...They have abandoned their churches. Is there
really a need for them any more?"

Only as museum pieces, and the French are slowly being stripped of even those.

On the other hand, from the perspective of the Macron government, this does clear away a lot of red tape to begin to implement plans to replace the Notre Dame Cathedral with the Grand Mosque that must eventually be erected in its place.


Posted by: Anonymous 7 at April 15, 2019 02:57 PM (DwzBO)

486 I've never really seen the point of getting worked up over something one has no control over or ability to influence.

Objectively, this is a horrible loss to the world. Subjectively, is it less of a loss if I cry about it? More of a loss if I don't?

"Some thing happened to some place."
=========
But since it happened more than 10 miles away, I'm gonna have a banana.

Posted by: simplemind at April 15, 2019 02:57 PM (DYNzp)

487 306

Holy crap, the media/authorities have lost all credibility...

My very far Left boss just said she doesn't care if they say it's an accident, that she doesn't believe it, and "we all know" what this is.

I don't even agree with that - because it's too early to say anything for sure. But, that makes the fact they're calling it an accident suspicious on it's own.

And if they've lost credibility with this lady, well... that's a bad sign for them.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 15, 2019 02:39 PM (AzW6q)



I said in the last thread that it will be ironic if it's actually an accident, but people distrust the official explanation and blame the Muslims anyway.

Posted by: rickl at April 15, 2019 02:57 PM (xjiRE)

488 Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 02:54 PM (MTjB1)

Are you deliberately being silly, or are you really this stupid?

There are a lot of different ways of applying water to a fire other than air drops and fire boats. Do you need somebody to draw you some pictures?

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at April 15, 2019 02:57 PM (uopCm)

489 we Catholic types don't consider today as a part of Holy Week tho. Palm Sunday is and then it skips to Holy (Maundy) Thursday.

so, no, they would have no reason to not be working today.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 15, 2019 02:54 PM (Rarvo)
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Actually this whole week is considered Holy Week, even though there are no particular services for Monday or Tuesday as far as I know. But some churches have a Tennebrae service on Wednesday.

Posted by: bluebell at April 15, 2019 02:57 PM (aXucN)

490 379 Muslims on social media are all celebrating. This is sick.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 15, 2019 02:46 PM (ZGrMX)

The very idea of this is giving me a rage stroke. Hey dickheads, it's a beautiful artifact. Wouldn't it be nice to keep it? But no. Plenty of mosques in Mecca, be tragic if one of them collapsed during Ramadan.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 02:57 PM (RD7QR)

491 And I don't believe there is anyway they can know how it started unless they have the workman under wraps who has said, "Opps, my bad."
Possible...but...
Posted by: Diogenes at April 15, 2019 02:56 PM (0tfLf)


Imagine how you'd feel if you realized that you'd started this fire. /shudder

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 02:57 PM (x3tTl)

492 yeah everyone is actually cranking work out TODAY b/c it's NOT PART OF HOLY WEEK YET

yes yesterday was tho (Palm Sunday) so that is confusing

but Mon/Tues/Weds are all up for grabs

THEN Thurs/Fri/Sat and obvs Sunday, and even the following Monday?

but not today. IF they were working on mondays, they'd be working today. especially today since then it would be a break for Easter.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 15, 2019 02:57 PM (Rarvo)

493 The Boston Marathon was today. 6 years ago today the ROP bombed it. April 15, 2013.

Posted by: Coinkidink at April 15, 2019 02:57 PM (4Eo4+)

494 I've now read two options being discussed:



-- Stray sparks caused by workmen doing restoration in the attic; or

-- "arson."



Any confirmation of either rumor, or any other cause?


Sparks?

That reminds me of the time when I was in grad school and contractors were renovating a laboratory (using cutting wheels to remove stuff in concrete on the 1st floor). The sparks they sent down into one of the basement level professor's offices did a pretty creditable job of trying to burn the chemistry building down.

Arson's certainly a possibility but I'd seriously consider option #1 as well.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at April 15, 2019 02:57 PM (7s3Gx)

495 2 weeks ago the MSM were reporting that Catholic Churches were being vandalized and attacked across France and nobody knew why. WaPo and Newsweek.
*rubs chin in deep thought*

Posted by: bane at April 15, 2019 02:57 PM (YmfOS)

496 442 Given this is socialist France, I figure 200 years for the restoration.
Posted by: Iblis at April 15, 2019 02:52 PM (FpDHp)

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And the rebuilding will be a fight between tradionalists and lefties who will want to create some kind of "inclusive" and non-offensive post-modern monstrosity that had little in common with the original.


It should be an interesting test for France to see how far off the rails they have gone.

Posted by: 29Victor at April 15, 2019 02:58 PM (BJKQV)

497 even if tankers destroyed some of the building, if they saved some of the building that would be better than losing the entire thing. structural damage from tankers would be better than losing the art inside. 

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 02:54 PM (MTjB1)

I'm not sure, but it's possible that the water would cause a further collapse, and then you'd see possibly burning debris push well past the cathedral boundaries. I don't know enough to comment, but it's quite clear people using this to take shots at Trump are -assholes-, and have to go back.

Posted by: trev006 at April 15, 2019 02:58 PM (6n54H)

498 I watched Monuments Men last night for some reason, weird.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 15, 2019 02:58 PM (4e+hS)

499 Now the flames are getting worse.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 15, 2019 02:58 PM (RBOtF)

500 465 Switching to Fox Business. I can't stand Shep.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 15, 2019 02:55 PM (ptqGC)

I can never understand why anyone watches him...especially if you have FBN.

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 02:58 PM (cF8AT)

501 I've seen a lot of fires started by rags soaked in flammable liquids that combust."

Indeed. I've had a pile of seemingly dry paper towels w/acetone burst into flame.

As others have mentioned - this is hitting hard. It's tough enough to grow old, but seeing symbols fall makes it worse...

So sad.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 02:58 PM (6qErC)

502 Haven't read the thread, just came to AoS and got gut punched. Is this a muzzie atrocity? WTF? I'm glad my mother and my grandparents aren't alive to see this.

Posted by: JuJuBee at April 15, 2019 02:58 PM (aBR7R)

503 I'm waffling between telling myself they're restore it, and still feeling sad because the restoration will be 'new', not the work of centuries old craftsmen.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 02:54 PM (37IEG)

The restoration work, if done properly, will honor the original craftsmen.

Posted by: Cato, Media Delenda Est at April 15, 2019 02:58 PM (J+mig)

504 Gene Wolfe has died. Somehow it's apt.

Posted by: Total Control Racist at April 15, 2019 02:58 PM (LFaED)

505 If it is muzzies and I got a hundred dollar bill that says it was, we will never know it was muzzies because the euro elite won't allow it.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at April 15, 2019 02:58 PM (pw+jk)

506 There are a lot of different ways of applying water to a fire other than air drops and fire boats. Do you need somebody to draw you some pictures?

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at April 15, 2019 02:57 PM (uopCm)

Apparently they didn't use any that worked.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 02:58 PM (rxtQa)

507 Cuts off the woman talking about a symbol of Catholicism to tell her it's a symbol of Paris.

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Its obviously both, but Shep is likely too dumb to make the connection. I might actually give him the benefit of the doubt here and just chalk this up more due to his stupidity rather than malice. Either way.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 02:59 PM (sX1BW)

508 379 Muslims on social media are all celebrating. This is sick.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 15, 2019 02:46 PM (ZGrMX)


Is that really true? God, I hope not.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 02:59 PM (x3tTl)

509 461 Shep obviously has an issue with Catholicism....
Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2019 02:54 PM

I was an alter boy for 4 years, and Father Flannigan never touched me once.

Posted by: Shep! at April 15, 2019 02:59 PM (+rqF4)

510 Side-by-side new and old work at Sagrada Familia:



http://tinyurl.com/yxku7ps3

Did they carve all of that by hand? Nothing done with machines looks the same. There aren't trees left on earth that compare with what was used in that church.

Posted by: dartist at April 15, 2019 02:59 PM (K22Va)

511 The very idea of this is giving me a rage stroke. Hey dickheads, it's a beautiful artifact. Wouldn't it be nice to keep it? But no. Plenty of mosques in Mecca, be tragic if one of them collapsed during Ramadan.
Posted by: joncelli
...........

from a mile high 100 megaton blast..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 15, 2019 02:59 PM (so+oy)

512 I always wanted to go there.

Sooooo very sad I will never see it now.

Posted by: Lily, formerly of Hot Air now of AoSHQ, Assassin in the Night, not an NPC at April 15, 2019 02:59 PM (v8Lrm)

513 Sprinkler system
Fire retardant system
Bueller
Bueller

Posted by: Braenyard at April 15, 2019 02:59 PM (2PgZd)

514 What the ever loving fuck? Just woke up to this.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 15, 2019 02:59 PM (ycWCI)

515 hite nationalist with an AR-15 with flamethrower attachment will be primary suspect.
Posted by: Tentotwo at April 15, 2019 02:56 PM (yhf6w)

Some stupid with a flare gun?

Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2019 02:59 PM (NFEMn)

516 I am sure this is some dope on a cigarette break...tragic

Posted by: rammajamma at April 15, 2019 02:59 PM (AjNMO)

517 If other fires "accidently" start at other churches during Holy Week, I think I'll have my answer.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 15, 2019 02:59 PM (lwiT4)

518 Say what you want about the French, but they really love respect culture. This is really heartbreaking and I really feel for them -- and the world. All of us are losing something major today. We have nothing in this country to compare to Notre Dame. It's loss is incalculable. If there could ever be a silver lining, at least it's not St. Denis.

Posted by: Kris at April 15, 2019 02:59 PM (OyyDO)

519 Imagine how you'd feel if you realized that you'd started this fire. /shudder

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 15, 2019 02:57 PM


*****

No kidding.
It would be horrible.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 15, 2019 02:59 PM (0tfLf)

520 I dont think it will be rebuilt. I think its gone.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 15, 2019 02:59 PM (qXtgU)

521 Paris spokesman says nothing will remain of the frame of the church.
OMG

Posted by: pj at April 15, 2019 02:59 PM (qlTN9)

522 The most common accident with a lot of these restoration fires involve work lights. I wonder what happened here?

Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2019 02:59 PM (VpIIl)

523 317 279
We need some insight here on who may have been incited to ignite the fire.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 15, 2019 02:37 PM (+fPHo)

The Presbyterians, obviously. Again!

****************************


Hoots mon! Ah wud'nae waste mah matches on yon Idolatrous popery!
The left footers are quite capable of buggerin' up themsel's!

Posted by: The ghost of John Knox. at April 15, 2019 02:59 PM (OFzX4)

524 I said in the last thread that it will be ironic if it's actually an accident, but people distrust the official explanation and blame the Muslims anyway.

Posted by: rickl at April 15, 2019 02:57 PM (xjiRE)

Every time my husband walks through he says, "I'm not saying it's the Muslims but it's the Muslims."

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:00 PM (cF8AT)

525 As others have mentioned - this is hitting hard. It's tough enough to grow old, but seeing symbols fall makes it worse...

So sad.
Posted by: Anon a mouse a

I agree

Posted by: It's me donna at April 15, 2019 03:00 PM (O2RFr)

526 379 Muslims on social media are all celebrating. This is sick.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 15, 2019 02:46 PM (ZGrMX)


Trackback every one and put them in jail.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 15, 2019 03:00 PM (2PgZd)

527 LOL, PDT got a big round of applause when he dissed the NYT.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 15, 2019 03:00 PM (ufFY8)

528 I dont think it will be rebuilt. I think its gone.

Agree.

And the New Dark Ages continue apace...

Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 15, 2019 03:00 PM (Rarvo)

529 Gene Wolfe has died. Somehow it's apt.
=========
Wow.

No coincidences.

Posted by: simplemind at April 15, 2019 03:00 PM (IjvFs)

530 514
What the ever loving fuck? Just woke up to this.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 15, 2019 02:59 PM (ycWCI)

Get woke, go rage stroke.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2019 03:00 PM (t6MX/)

531 Nuke mecca.

Posted by: Chris M at April 15, 2019 03:00 PM (eAZVt)

532 Let's get the rumor train rolling.

Who Burned Down Notre Dame?

a. Norwegian Black Metal fans
b. French "Yellow Vest" protesters
c. Muslim jihadists
d. Incompetent French workers
e. English Brexiteers saying "fuck you" to Europe.
f. Trump. Just because.
g. Climate Change. 'Cause we said so.
h ______________?

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 03:01 PM (5tb4C)

533 Construction has a thousand ways to start a blaze in a old wood building, I would guess it is the best guess as the cause until otherwise.

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 03:01 PM (BbGew)

534 I assume that all right-thinking persons have gotten the memo:
it's all due to the Yellow Vests, Trump, and Brexit.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, triumphalist Trumpian at April 15, 2019 03:01 PM (wA4OO)

535 You'll notice that no JOOOOOOOOS showed up to work at the Cathedral today...

Posted by: Phil Hartmark F/K/A Truck Monkey at April 15, 2019 03:01 PM (flINI)

536 What is wild is looking at the current pictures how those frame timbers have held up so far, they must be massive. But a likely collapse is coming.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2019 03:01 PM (r+sAi)

537 Gojira predicted this.

Posted by: bane at April 15, 2019 03:01 PM (YmfOS)

538 4.15.13

4.15.19

Posted by: Coinkidink at April 15, 2019 03:01 PM (4Eo4+)

539 I saw a documentary on tv several years back. It was about the stone carvers working on our own National Cathedral. Most of them were from Italy and were very passionate about matching the workmanship of ancient Rome, the medieval period, and the Renaissance. There is hope. It's just going to take a long, long time to reconstruct.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin at April 15, 2019 03:01 PM (ebZss)

540 Some pictures of the wood framing. I can't read French so I don't know exactly what is depicted, but it seems the whole roof/ceiling is supported by wood. Old, dry wood.

https://tinyurl.com/y3dobcjv
Posted by: Gref at April 15, 2019 02:53 PM (AMIL/)


It is going to take all of America's Amish to rebuild that.

Posted by: Bro Fo Omar at April 15, 2019 03:01 PM (1g7ch)

541 then take whatever meds you need and maybe come back.


Heavy flow day?

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM guy at April 15, 2019 03:01 PM (7s3Gx)

542 The most common accident with a lot of these restoration fires involve work lights. I wonder what happened here?
Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2019 02:59 PM (VpIIl)

I worked a house fire once that started from a set of Christmas lights in a box being plugged in by a five year old.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at April 15, 2019 03:01 PM (rxtQa)

543 Trump's been speaking for about 20 mins. or more. FBN is covering it.

Posted by: Tami at April 15, 2019 03:01 PM (cF8AT)

544
There are a lot of different ways of applying water to a fire other than air drops and fire boats. Do you need somebody to draw you some pictures?

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at April 15, 2019 02:57 PM (uopCm)


I guess the French haven't discovered fire retardant foams yet.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at April 15, 2019 03:02 PM (TAmPV)

545 Actually this whole week is considered Holy Week, even though there are no particular services for Monday or Tuesday as far as I know. But some churches have a Tennebrae service on Wednesday.


Posted by: bluebell at April 15, 2019 02:57 PM (aXucN)
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There's a Tennebrae service tomorrow (Tuesday) in our local RC church. Churches in our area are all ready for Holy Week, and are trying to put their best foot forward for the "Christ(mas)-Easters" who are expected this week.

Posted by: Boots at April 15, 2019 03:02 PM (e9omi)

546 sock off

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 15, 2019 03:02 PM (1g7ch)

547 Say what you want about the French, but they really love respect culture.

------------

I'm going to say that they don't really love and respect culture. They like some of the material aspects of it because it gives them cache. But they don't like the actual real part that built, painted, created those material things.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 03:02 PM (sX1BW)

548 521
Paris spokesman says nothing will remain of the frame of the church.
OMG


Posted by: pj at April 15, 2019 02:59 PM (qlTN9)

Zut alors!

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 15, 2019 03:02 PM (t6MX/)

549 Is that really true? God, I hope not."

Seriously? I can't even...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at April 15, 2019 03:02 PM (6qErC)

550 Actually this whole week is considered Holy Week,
even though there are no particular services for Monday or Tuesday as
far as I know. But some churches have a Tennebrae service on Wednesday.



Posted by: bluebell at April 15, 2019 02:57 PM (aXucN)



Yes.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 15, 2019 03:02 PM (lwiT4)

551 Is Shep just pissed that he got called away from the bathhouse just to cover a fire at a church?

Posted by: Rudi Von Starnberg at April 15, 2019 03:02 PM (OFzX4)

552 Are you deliberately being silly, or are you really this stupid?

There are a lot of different ways of applying water to a fire other than air drops and fire boats. Do you need somebody to draw you some pictures?

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at A



you seem confused. there were suggestions of using tankers. no one said that was the only way. do you not remember what you wrote?

you must be able to do better than this. why not address what you wrote and I quoted? you know, the thing you said you did not say?

ways of getting water to the fire have been discussed throughout these threads.

you wanted to shoot your fat mouth of regarding why tankers would not work. so get busy and address that.

using tankers, even if it caused structural damage, may have been more desirable if it saved the artwork inside.

maybe you should have been talking to the firefighters there to share you expertise as to how to get water to the fire?

you do realize you argued that tankers would not be a good thing right?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:02 PM (MTjB1)

553 A French guy called into Prager's radio show just now, said that there have been church desecrations every week in France.
Also called it a "historic trauma" and a non-lethal 9/11 for France.

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (dm05u)

554 Some pictures of the wood framing. I can't read French so I don't know exactly what is depicted, but it seems the whole roof/ceiling is supported by wood. Old, dry wood.

https://tinyurl.com/y3dobcjv
Posted by: Gref at April 15, 2019 02:53 PM (AMIL/)

...............

Chrome will offer to translate it for you..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (so+oy)

555 These flames are set to burn for some time yet.


??????????

Did the govt. set it on fire? W.T.F.

Posted by: JuJuBee at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (aBR7R)

556 Yes I saw that - Gene Wolfe passing.

I mean he was pretty up there in age, but still, a huge loss.

This also is a massive loss - what a sinking feeling. And btw had that same heartsick feeling all day watching them just - what were they doing? waiting it out?!?

the fire started in the morning!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (Rarvo)

557 Since the Cathedral of Notre Dame is the seat of the Archdiocese of Paris, there should be a website with a schedule of activities for Holy Week. And as the cathedral for the Archdiocese of Paris, I doubt that there was any serious work being done today. Just my guess, though.

Posted by: mrp at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (Pqytn)

558 Also, if you thing dropping 2,000lbs of water on a fire is simply going to go straight down and then evaporate, you've never seen 250 gals dropped. The column will take down everything in it's path, splash over over everything at the bottom, not just with the water, but with all the broken, burned, loosened materials it brought down, and destroy all the art, woodwork, windows, tapestries, whatever else is inside.

For those of you who can't see beyond your own noses,

I never, ever suggested the should just let it burn. I am sure the Paris Fire Brigade are working had to apply water where they can as fast as they can, in an effort to stop the fire and SAVE AS MUCH OF THE BUILDING AS POSSIBLE.

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (uopCm)

559 Some stupid with a flare gun?
Posted by: JoeF. at April 15, 2019 02:59 PM


This.

Posted by: Casino in Montreux, Switzerland at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (RQfnU)

560 520 I dont think it will be rebuilt. I think its gone.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 15, 2019 02:59 PM (qXtgU)

In my opinion, it shouldn't be. It now belongs to the Ages. Paris still needs a cathedral, and a church named Notre Dame has stood in that spot in various editions over the centuries, but this one is gone. Let it go. Build something new -- please, do not let Frank Gehry design it.

Posted by: Kris at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (OyyDO)

561
nood

Posted by: AltonJackson link in nick for the MiMoMe at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (9C0cu)

562 Muzzies dancing in the streets yet?

Posted by: JuJuBee at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (aBR7R)

563 bbc has some informed commentary.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (Pg+x7)

564 Rebuilding is hard. We'll follow the 9/11 memorial idea and just have a few "pillars of light" to symbolize the towers. Hey, we could make them rainbow colored to show our progress!

Posted by: Macron at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (+rqF4)

565 504 Gene Wolfe has died. Somehow it's apt.
Posted by: Total Control Racist at April 15, 2019 02:58 PM (LFaED)

Damn. I just finished rereading The Book of the New Sun. What a loss. RIP.

Posted by: joncelli, bludgeoning with a pouncing seize at April 15, 2019 03:04 PM (RD7QR)

566 I'm going to say that they don't really love and respect culture. They like some of the material aspects of it because it gives them cache. But they don't like the actual real part that built, painted, created those material things.

Yeah they love it at a theoretical level, like a fetish, the way "I f'in love science" people love science.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 03:04 PM (39g3+)

567 We have nothing in this country to compare to Notre Dame.
==========
From the standpoint of history, and gothic architecture agreed.

If you haven't seen it yet. next time you are in DC take an uber to the National Shrine of the Basilica of the Immaculate Conception.

Largest church in North American. Same scale as Notre Dame. Breath takingly huge. Kind of thing to you have to see in person, and then you can't believe its real.

Posted by: simplemind at April 15, 2019 03:04 PM (zvw0X)

568 Flames are still raging, no sign of getting knocked down since
I put it on.

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 03:04 PM (BbGew)

569 ... they interviewed ken follett who has written on cathedrals, apparently.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 15, 2019 03:04 PM (Pg+x7)

570 553 A French guy called into Prager's radio show just now, said that there have been church desecrations every week in France.
Also called it a "historic trauma" and a non-lethal 9/11 for France.
Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (dm05u)

Please please please let the mass deportations and work camps begin.

Posted by: bane at April 15, 2019 03:04 PM (YmfOS)

571 I'm going to say that they don't really love and respect culture. They like some of the material aspects of it because it gives them cache. But they don't like the actual real part that built, painted, created those material things.
Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 03:02 PM (sX1BW)

They sure don't like it enough to install an effective fire suppression system.

Posted by: 29Victor at April 15, 2019 03:04 PM (BJKQV)

572 15 Apr 2019 >> 15.4.19 >> 91.4.51 >> 45 911

Trump's 9-11! Inside job! Inside job!

Posted by: Between A Moonbat And New York City at April 15, 2019 03:04 PM (4Eo4+)

573 It can well be rebuilt. St Paul outside the Walls in Rome suffered a similar fire in... mid 1800s(?) and was rebuilt stone for stone.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 15, 2019 03:04 PM (ycWCI)

574 From what I'm reading, the interior artwork only dates from the 19th century. The proto-commies of the French Revolution desecrated and destroyed all the original interior artwork in the late 1700's.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 03:04 PM (0OWcv)

575 518 We have nothing in this country to compare to Notre Dame. It's loss is incalculable. If there could ever be a silver lining, at least it's not St. Denis.

--------------------------
I take it you have never visited Sac City, Iowa and viewed the World's Largest Popcorn Ball?

Posted by: Sac City Department of Tourism at April 15, 2019 03:05 PM (WrMOC)

576 Even if it is not caused by a jihadist, this symbolizes what the EU bureaucracy and the Globalists have been doing to French culture for decades. (letting it rot for a long time, then burning it quickly with the Muslim invasion invited in by Macron and Merkel)

Posted by: illiniwek at April 15, 2019 03:05 PM (Cus5s)

577 Time to say a prayer for our civilization.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 15, 2019 03:05 PM (2PgZd)

578 Let's get the rumor train rolling.

Who Burned Down Notre Dame?

a. Norwegian Black Metal fans
b. French "Yellow Vest" protesters
c. Muslim jihadists
d. Incompetent French workers
e. English Brexiteers saying "fuck you" to Europe.
f. Trump. Just because.
g. Climate Change. 'Cause we said so.
h ______________?
Posted by: zombie

>h. John McCain wet-starting his jet fighter.

Posted by: Delaforce at April 15, 2019 03:05 PM (kySjV)

579 466
390 Was Paris bombed during WWII?



------------



It was basically abandoned.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2019 02:47 PM (sX1BW)

It was declared an open city in 1940 to try and avoid having the Germans destroy it. The Allies obviously didn't want to bomb it either.

And for the fire fighting arguments - consider a fire fighting cannon the other day literally blew the emergency door off an A320 Saudi Airliner emergency exit door when it landed in Dubai.

And it's not like we're getting up close shots of what the French firecrews are doing to save this thing. At some point we all know you preserve the lives of your crews over a building, no matter how old and sacred it might be. I can't fault them for not sending crews INTO the Naive beneath century old timbers with lead sheathing on a roof above them.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at April 15, 2019 03:05 PM (37IEG)

580 Yeah they love it at a theoretical level, like a fetish, the way "I f'in love science" people love science.

Cargo cultists.

and btw yankeefilth, Im on your side

not that you probably want me on your side!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 15, 2019 03:05 PM (Rarvo)

581 Night is falling in Paris. The view of the flames are even more pronounced and look just devastating.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at April 15, 2019 03:06 PM (JoUsr)

582 532
Let's get the rumor train rolling.



Who Burned Down Notre Dame?



a. Norwegian Black Metal fans

b. French "Yellow Vest" protesters

c. Muslim jihadists

d. Incompetent French workers

e. English Brexiteers saying "fuck you" to Europe.

f. Trump. Just because.

g. Climate Change. 'Cause we said so.

h ______________?

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2019 03:01 PM (5tb4C)


You know that Varg Vikernes does live in France?

Posted by: Off the reservation at April 15, 2019 03:06 PM (vWMNq)

583 > Let it go. Build something new -- please, do not let Frank Gehry design it.

Nothing is more spiritual than a building that resembles a post-tornado trailer park that's been bulldozed into a pile.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 15, 2019 03:06 PM (0OWcv)

584 you thing dropping 2,000lbs of water on a fire is simply going to go straight down and then evaporate, you've never seen 250 gals dropped. The column will take down everything in it's path, splash over over everything at the bottom, not just with the water, but with all the broken, burned, loosened materials it brought down, and destroy all the art, woodwork, windows, tapestries, whatever else is inside.

For those of you who can't see beyond your own noses,

I never, ever suggested the should just let it burn. I am sure the Paris Fire Brigade are working had to apply water where they can as fast as they can, in an effort to stop the fire and SAVE AS MUCH OF THE BUILDING AS POSSIBLE.
Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at A




surely you realize there is a difference between water dropped from a helicopter and a plane.

you never said let it burn, you just did not like any of the ideas anyone suggested or have any better.

lol.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:06 PM (MTjB1)

585 Even if it is not caused by a jihadist, this symbolizes what the EU bureaucracy and the Globalists have been doing to French culture for decades. (letting it rot for a long time, then burning it quickly with the Muslim invasion invited in by Macron and Merkel)

illiniwek that is EXACTLY it!

well said

Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 15, 2019 03:06 PM (Rarvo)

586 A French guy called into Prager's radio show just now, said that there have been church desecrations every week in France.

Also called it a "historic trauma" and a non-lethal 9/11 for France.

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM (dm05u)


Maybe the same guy who got on air with Shep.

Posted by: Vendette at April 15, 2019 03:06 PM (OKErp)

587 Need to excise the troll on 488 for rude behavior.

Won't tolerate rude behavior in a man,
.

Posted by: Augustus McRae at April 15, 2019 03:07 PM (uLuPn)

588 Former interior of Notre Dame cathedral

http://tinyurl.com/y5gnh3sl

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 03:07 PM (39g3+)

589 563 bbc has some informed commentary.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 15, 2019 03:03 PM


**************************


There's a first time for everything, I suppose.

Posted by: Rudi Von Starnberg at April 15, 2019 03:07 PM (OFzX4)

590 nd btw yankeefilth, Im on your side

not that you probably want me on your side!
Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 15, 2




badge of honor!

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:07 PM (MTjB1)

591 From what I'm reading, the interior artwork only dates from the 19th century. The proto-commies of the French Revolution desecrated and destroyed all the original interior artwork in the late 1700's.

--

I did hear that the priceless stained glass in and around the collapsed spire and wooden structure has been destroyed.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at April 15, 2019 03:07 PM (JoUsr)

592 It can well be rebuilt. St Paul outside the Walls in Rome suffered a similar fire in... mid 1800s(?) and was rebuilt stone for stone.
=====
Pretty sure the weekly collection was a bit higher in the mid 1800's in Italy than it is today in Paris.

Posted by: simplemind at April 15, 2019 03:07 PM (IjvFs)

593 Macron

We should have rebuilt the twin towers, but with AA missiles on the roof.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (u82oZ)

594 so, you think that dropping water would be worse than doing nothing and letting it burn. ok then.
Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 02:43 PM (MTjB1)

If you watch water bombers, or helicopters with buckets, in action, you will see that the slug of water rapidly breaks up into a cloud of thick mist as a result of its rapid passage through the air.

So just release the load a little further from the target than you would if fighting a forest fire.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (TfwlC)

595 I hate seeing this, a part of history of every man/woman that is disappearing

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2019 03:08 PM (r/xAU)

596 574 yes, chartres cathedral is considered far more important and beautiful.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (Pg+x7)

597 I can't wait to see the new Grand Mosque of Paris. I bet it gets fast tracked with permits and total government funding.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (pw+jk)

598 slug of water rapidly breaks up into a cloud of thick mist as a result of its rapid passage through the air.

So just release the load a little further from the target than you would if fighting a forest fire.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at A



that was my thought. or if you have any control over the helicopter's release, let it out more slowly.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (MTjB1)

599 Test

Posted by: ALH at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (uLuPn)

600 Time to say a prayer for our civilization
==========
Well, after all, if you haven't been, it is Holy Week. Nice time to start.

Posted by: simplemind at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (vTnqw)

601 There is a nood thread yonder.

Posted by: eleven at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (NLLmE)

602 Please please please let the mass deportations and work camps begin.
Posted by: bane at April 15, 2019 03:04 PM (YmfOS)

---------------

If it turns out to Muslims you know how things will go:

1) Twitter hashtag #IAmADame goes viral
2) Lefty panic over non-existent anti-Muslim backlash.
3) Twitter bans discussion of the fire
4) John Kerry brings American folk singer to Paris to promote healing
5) Emmanuel Macron apologizes for his country building a cathedral causing the Muslims' fire to burn out of control
6) Notre Dame is rebuilt as a mosque.

Posted by: 29Victor at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (BJKQV)

603 dropping a bucket of water is much like doling out spoonfuls of nothing.

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM (r/xAU)

604 Shep just said that he wasn't going to talk about something he has no knowledge of.

-
What'll they use to fill his time slot?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 03:10 PM (+y/Ru)

605 I am sure the Paris Fire Brigade are working had to apply water where they can as fast as they can, in an effort to stop the fire and SAVE AS MUCH OF THE BUILDING AS POSSIBLE.

Eventually. An hour later. Hard to really credit that as being urgent and hard working

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (39g3+)

606 588 Former interior of Notre Dame cathedral

http://tinyurl.com/y5gnh3sl
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 15, 2019 03:07 PM (39g3+)


-----

Cry worthy.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (jUVms)

607 John Kerry brings American folk singer to Paris to promote healing

-
Is Joan Baez still this side of the cemetery?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (+y/Ru)

608 596 574 yes, chartres cathedral is considered far more important and beautiful.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 15, 2019 03:09 PM (Pg+x7)

Yes. Chartres is the crown jewel of high Gothic architecture. Amien is a very close second.

Posted by: Kris at April 15, 2019 03:11 PM (OyyDO)

609 I did hear that the priceless stained glass in and around the collapsed spire and wooden structure has been destroyed.
--------------------
Normally in curative operations all things are removed and replicated should they break. Curators should have either real or detailed architectural dimensions of everything down to the last cobblestone. At 30k visitors a day there is tons of money to fund this kind of effort.

Posted by: Puddin Head - CNN at April 15, 2019 03:12 PM (2LelM)

610 There is a NOOD fire continue

Posted by: Skip at April 15, 2019 03:13 PM (BbGew)

611 ...yup, & amiens.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at April 15, 2019 03:15 PM (Pg+x7)

612 Oh my God. I'm weeping. My late husband and I went to Paris twenty years ago and went to Sunday Mass there for the Feast of Christ the King. It was in Latin so I understood everything except the sermon. Afterwords Carmelite nuns came in to say the rosary and thanks to High school French, I could pray along.

This is awful. all that history. All those relics. All that art. The seat of the diocese of Paris.

I don't believe in spontaneous combustion.

Posted by: vivi at April 15, 2019 03:34 PM (11H2y)

613 Muzzies love arsonism as a tool to send us back several hundred years.

Posted by: Valiant at April 15, 2019 03:36 PM (3MiF8)

614 If they rebuild stone for stone, fine. But if they put up some Gehry monstrosity, F it!!

Posted by: pj at April 15, 2019 04:05 PM (qlTN9)

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