Gun Thread: Reloading 101 Pt. Dos [Weasel]

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You all do realize your tax returns are due tomorrow, right? And if you haven't finished your taxes, what in the hell are you doing here? Hopefully, you're finished and have a small refund in the bank and need something to spend it on. Why not buy gun stuff, or more specifically, reloading gear! Let's pick up where we left off last week and look at preparing your reloading bench for action, shall we?

Did you get your reloading manual yet?

So this week we're going to start setting up some of the shiny new reloading gear we discussed last week. But before we do, a couple more housekeeping items. As a reminder, please do not list specific load powder charge weights when discussing reloading. If you like, you can mention the powder youre using and the velocity, but unlike the food thread, let's keep the specific recipes to yourself. Thanks.

Next, throughout this series, I am going to discuss reloading for the .38 Special. It's an easy cartridge to work with and generally forgiving for the new reloader. However, the concepts discussed here are applicable to any straight-walled handgun cartridge. We will save rifle cartridge reloading for another time. 'Kay?

Finally, I'd like to reiterate this material is intended for the novice reloader. We're fortunate to have reloaders here with years of experience, but for now let's keep the information basic.

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One of the first considerations is where to set up your reloading operation. I know benchrest shooters who reload in their vehicles at the range, and others with enormous setups occupying large spaces at their home. Let's assume you will at least be indoors and after that, all that's really required is a modest amount of workspace if youre using a basic single-stage press. What makes a good reloading location? I'd say there are a few key elements. A quiet place to work undisturbed and uninterrupted, in a comfortable and climate controlled area. You will need a reasonably solid bench or countertop workspace about 36 to 48 inches wide. This is just a approximation and you may find you need slightly more or slightly less space, depending on how you like to work. If you have a basement area where you can spread out that's great, but I want to assure those in a smaller home, an apartment or condo for example, can reload just as effectively as everyone else. A kitchen counter will work fine. For those in that situation, I will give you an idea below for keeping your reloading setup easy to breakdown and store in a medium size storage tub.

Tips for selecting and reloading in your work area:
- locate the bench away from direct air flow from forced air vents, ceiling fans, etc.
- store powder and primers in original containers in a cool, stable environment.
- whenever possible, choose a quiet area, free from foot traffic and other distractions.
- plan your reloading session so you can complete different steps entirely, with logical break points.
- never, ever, ever have more than one type of powder on the bench at a time.
- always check your work. If something looks or feels funny, stop and investigate.


The Press

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Redding Single Stage Press

I'm going with the assumption you have purchased a single stage reloading press like the one shown above. You will note that it's a sturdy piece of steel designed to be bolted to the edge of a workbench. I'm lucky to have a nice, but by no means expansive, countertop workspace in our laundry room. It's in a quiet part of the basement without distraction, and WeaselWoman was nice enough to get all of her stupid laundry shit out of the way and allow me to take over what's supposed to be a folding area. I did not want to drill mounting holes in the countertop, so I mounted my press(es) on a short double thickness of 1"x 6" pine board, and use two 4" C clamps to fix the assembly into place on the countertop. Just countersink the bolt heads so the board rests flush, and it's every bit as solid as if it were bolted directly to the countertop. When configured in this manner, the gear can be easily stored away between reloading sessions. The important point is to mount the press to the board or directly to a bench in a way so the the ram function of the press is not impeded, so play around with the setup and operation before you start drilling holes!

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Press setup on kitchen counter

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Press setup alt view - note bolts

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Countersunk holes on bottom of base

Your press is the primary tool on your bench. I'm right handed so I have my press on the right side of the workspace. The press is just that; a device with a mechanical ram that moves up and down when the handle is pulled. It doesn't do much by itself without reloading dies, which screw into the top of the press and perform different functions. Brass cartridge cases are shaped and resized under pressure produced by the ram and die, and in order to achieve the necessary small tolerances they need to be setup carefully. You will check the die function with precision measuring tools such as the calipers and case gauge included on last week's shopping list.

Reloading Dies - What the heck are they and why do I need them?
Reloading dies size and shape the brass cartridge and are caliber specific so, for example, you cannot reload .45 ACP cartridges with dies made for the .38 Special. This means you need separate dies for each caliber you plan on reloading. In order for a new or used case to be reloaded, it first needs to be sized to certain specifications for the cartridge. These specifications are maintained by SAAMI the organization that makes sure a specific cartridge fits properly into the specific chamber designed to fire it. An extensive catalog of cartridge specifications are maintained online and it's a great resource.

General Die Setup and Adjustment
Most dies simply screw into the top of the press. Hornady presses use an additional sleeve that locks into the press that makes changing dies a little quicker, but they all work basically the same way.

NOTE: Dies are shipped from the manufacturer with a coating of something as a rust inhibitor which should be removed before they are used the first time. Simply take apart the dies and spray with a cleaning solvent; Ballistol, WD-40, Hoppes 9 - whatever you have handy, and wipe clean (with a cloth!). Its not a bad idea to keep them very lightly oiled if you are in a high humidity location. Just a light spray is all you need, which can be removed before you use them again with a chamber mop.

To setup a die for the first time, perform the following steps:
- insert appropriate caliber press shellholder into the top of the ram. It just snaps into place.
- without a cartridge in place, lower the handle to raise the press ram to it's uppermost position.
- screw the die body into the press, so the bottom of the die just touches, or is very slightly above the top of the shellholder.
- screw the locking ring on the die body down until it rests on the top of the press and tighten the set screw.
- as you begin work, you may find small adjustments are necessary - simply loosen the locking ring, adjust the die, and tighten the ring and set screw.
- sometimes when the locking ring is set it makes the die difficult to remove from the press. A few whacks on the locking ring with a rubber mallet will usually do the trick.
- once properly set, you should not usually need to make additional adjustments. Simply screw in the die until it's stopped by the locking ring. Specific considerations for individual die setup are discussed below.

A properly set die will perform it's function at the top of the ram stroke, just as the lever begins to cam over and stop, and without a great amount of force. This is an important point. An improperly set die will return inconsistent results due to the application of variable force, and possibly damage the case. As you gain experience, you will notice many steps are done based on the feel of the amount of force required to complete them. Anytime anything changes, STOP WORKING, and investigate. Each step should be completed smoothly and without a huge effort. If you find yourself needing to use a lot of muscle, then something isn't working right and needs to be corrected.

A good video on die setup is here. A couple of points - the guy in the video has various interpretations of the word "cannelure" (can-ne-lure), and also doesn't seem to embrace the use of the die locking ring. Other than that, it's a fairly decent look at the process of setting up the 3 dies in your set. The press he is using is slightly different design, but the die setup instructions all still apply. There are a bazillion videos on reloading, so look around if this guy bugs you. If you find yourself actually doing any of this and have questions, please feel free to email Gun Thread technical support who will be happy to help!

You'll recall last week we talked about the dies and the functions they perform in the reloading process. Let's review them in a little more detail now, including ways the setup differs among the three dies.

Sizing Die
When a cartridge is fired, it expands against the chamber wall to seal the breech, then snaps back a little but not quite all the way. Depending on the chamber, the fired case may be several thousandths of an inch (.00X") larger in diameter than it was before firing. The sizing die simply returns the case to the correct pre-fired diameter. You will notice a pin sticking out beneath the sizing die. That's the decapping pin and it punches out the used primer. In a new or unprimed case the pin is just along for the ride. The screw and smaller locking ring on the very top of the die are used to replace or make adjustments if needed to the decapping pin depth which should be set to just pop out the used primer. To setup a sizing die just follow the steps above.

Expander Die
The second, or expander die is used to very slightly flare the mouth of the case to accept the bullet. Set up the die as described earlier so the bottom of the die is barely touching or just above the shellholder. Next, adjust the expander plug inside the die using the smaller screw and lock ring on the top of the die. When properly adjusted, the expander die will flare the case mouth by a few thousandths of an inch to accept the bullet. It's a barely perceptable amount to the naked eye, but it allows the bullet to begin the seating process without being shaved by the edge of the case mouth. Use caution to avoid oversizing the case which can lead to reduced case life.

Seating and Crimping Die
The third die in the set performs two operations. It seats the bullet to the desired depth and applies a slight crimp to the case mouth to hold the bullet in place. There are two steps to setting up a seating/crimp die. First, back the seating stem screw on the top of the die counter clockwise, or up, most of the way and then screw in the die body in to the press until the bottom is a couple of turns above the shellholder. Next, place a dummy (unprimed and without powder!) sized and expanded case into the shellholder and place a bullet on top. Now cycle the press and advance the seating stem by small increments until the bullet is seated to the desired depth (more on this later) checking the overall length with calipers or using a case gage. Now back out the seating stem several full turns.

Leaving the cartridge on the ram in the full up position, screw in the die until you begin to feel the resistance of the cartridge. Lower the ram and advance the die in small increments, raising the ram after each adjustment and checking until the desired crimp is achieved. Bullets with a cannelure (groove) will require more downward adjustment to achieve a "roll" crimp, where the case mouth is very slightly curved into the cannelure. Cartridges which headspace on the case mouth (.45ACP for example) require less downward adjustment of the die body to achieve a "taper" crimp. Do not roll crimp jacketed bullets without a cannelure as you may damage the jacket, and again, do not roll crimp any cartridge that headspaces on the mouth of the cartridge, taper crimp these instead. Now lower the locking ring and tighten the set screw on the die body.

Finally, you will need to reset the seating stem. With the dummy cartridge on the ram in the full up position, lower the seating stem screw until you feel it stop against the top of the bullet and simply tighten the upper locking ring. The die is now configured to seat and crimp in a single step.

We'll discuss the various measurements as we begin the step-by-step reloading process. For now, we simply want to have the dies configured approximately. We will discuss making small final adjustments later.

NEXT WEEK: Setting up the powder dispenser and scale!

P.S. Looks like I forgot to include much (any) non-reloading content this week. Sorry! Feel free to discuss any gun stuff that interests you!

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Link-O-Rama
The following eight part series of short reloading videos are produced by Brownells, a supplier of reloading and shooting products. Please note, video number 6 discusses bottleneck cartridge reloading concepts which can be skipped for now.

Brownells Reloading Video Series Pt. 1
Brownells Reloading Video Series Pt. 2
Brownells Reloading Video Series Pt. 3
Brownells Reloading Video Series Pt. 4
Brownells Reloading Video Series Pt. 5
Brownells Reloading Video Series Pt. 6 (bottleneck cartridges)
Brownells Reloading Video Series Pt. 7 (straight wall cartridges)
Brownells Reloading Video Series Pt. 8

Other links:
Brownells Retail Video Library
Redding Reloading Guide PDF

***Mail Bag***

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

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1 Bang first!

Posted by: freaked at April 14, 2019 07:04 PM (UdKB7)

2 There I was. Alone and facing an empty comment section, I did the only thing that made sense.

Posted by: freaked at April 14, 2019 07:06 PM (UdKB7)

3
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson (link in nick for MiMoMe) at April 14, 2019 07:06 PM (KCxzN)

4 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at April 14, 2019 07:06 PM (Zz0t1)

5 I called nood.

Posted by: freaked at April 14, 2019 07:06 PM (UdKB7)

6 Gun thread. Yay. I got nothing. Maybe ask me a question on machine guns?

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 07:07 PM (bgJ0E)

7 Howdy everyone!

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 07:07 PM (MVjcR)

8 I don't reload my own, but I want to learn. I also just got a new OWB holster. It's tied to the belt, so it's a bit on the noticeable side, but you have to be looking for it.

I'll get used to it. I just got to fat for my IWB.

Posted by: Sponge at April 14, 2019 07:07 PM (Zz0t1)

9 Gun thread. Yay. I got nothing. Maybe ask me a question on machine guns?

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 07:07 PM (bgJ0E)
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Absolutely, NZFrank. What's your favorite for recreational machinegunning? I'm partial to my buddy's MP5.

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 07:09 PM (MVjcR)

10 I don't reload my own, but I want to learn. I also just got a new OWB holster. It's tied to the belt, so it's a bit on the noticeable side, but you have to be looking for it.

I'll get used to it. I just got to fat for my IWB.


Posted by: Sponge at April 14, 2019 07:07 PM (Zz0t1)
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Glad to hear it Sponge. Hope you can pick up a thing or two here.

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 07:10 PM (MVjcR)

11 Myself, got an old UNT(X) surplus drafting table for $10 that's plenty stable and right sized for my precision long-range reloading needs in the 'hidden' room over the porte-cachere garage. Prior to that had planned on installing the following tricked-out bench:

https://www.rifleshootermag.com/editorial/ ammunition_benchs_022607/83463

Enjoy the thread, thanks!

Posted by: Billy the Mountain at April 14, 2019 07:12 PM (xCkuR)

12 Enjoy the thread, thanks!

Posted by: Billy the Mountain at April 14, 2019 07:12 PM (xCkuR)
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Thanks man, glad to hear it!

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 07:16 PM (MVjcR)

13 Leslie Stahl muff-diving Pelosi right now on 60 Minutes, the biggest puff piece ever.

It's a 20 minute ad from the DNC.

Disgusting.

Imaging them ever doing the same for any Republican. Any Republican.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 14, 2019 07:16 PM (+fPHo)

14 Wanted to get out by now that weather is nice but haven't.
Again thinking of a Pennsylvania State game land range permit but how crowded they get who knows.

Posted by: Skip at April 14, 2019 07:17 PM (BbGew)

15 I have an MP5 running one of my suppressors, it is my favorite sub gun, better than the Thompson's or Stirling's, etc. Best or favorite is always hard. The others guns get jealous. For noise and inaccuracy the .50 M2 (yes, not accurate), for firepower the Yugo 52 in 7.62 Nato on the mount with optic, for SHTF the PKM , and for fun the RPD.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 07:19 PM (bgJ0E)

16 A bit of a coincidence after the last gun thread. This week a friend told me he wants to learn to reload but wants to keep it simple and not too expensive at first. He's more than willing to spend as needed for things like a scale. He'll only be reloading for 38 special for the foreseeable future. Do I have any thoughts or advice?

OMG! Do I ever!!

I thought of all the presses and other tools we discussed. Here's what I'm going to suggest.

- The Lee hand press kit which includes the press, a tube of Lee case resizing lube, a powder funnel and the Ram prime. The kits are available for 50 to 60 bucks. The Lee basic C style mounted press will serve as well but isn't portable.

- The Lee carbide 4 die set in 357 magnum. The 3 die set will do but I like having the individual crimp die included in the 4 die set.

- Other tools: balance beam scale, Lee dipper set, powder trickler, primer pocket scraper and reamer, a case tray, and at least two reloading manuals.

It occured to me I haven't loaded a complete cartridge on the hand press for decades, so I should test it.

I lubed the cases. The Lee case lube is water soluable and a little goes a LONG way. (Yes, I thought of the Brylcream "a little dab will do ya" commercial.) Not strictly needed with a small revolver case and carbide die but it made a big difference. The lube wipes off with a paper towel. The Ram Priming tool was faster and more reliable than I imagined. Almost as fast as the hand held priming tools. Just make sure your hands are clean and dry before handling the primers. Charging and bullet seating went as usual.

It's hard to estimate time since this is single stage processing. I'm sure you could do a box of cartridges in half an hour once you get the process down pat. The process was rather relaxing and required much less effort than I remembered. Even a kid or small woman would be able to use the hand press.

Posted by: JTB at April 14, 2019 07:19 PM (bmdz3)

17 If you don't have space for a permanent mounted press, an old Workmate or similar will work just as Weasel showed above. The advatage is the Workmate can be folded up and stored flat.

Posted by: JTB at April 14, 2019 07:22 PM (bmdz3)

18 Gun thread. Yay. I got nothing. Maybe ask me a question on machine guns?

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 07:07 PM (bgJ0E)
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can i have yours before your govt takes them away?



as if i could have them here in #Failifornia.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 14, 2019 07:22 PM (ER1jH)

19 I don't reload my own, yet, but I want to learn.

Posted by: Sponge at April 14, 2019 07:07 PM (Zz0t1)
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FTFY!

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 14, 2019 07:23 PM (ER1jH)

20 ---
can i have yours before your govt takes them away?

as if i could have them here in #Failifornia.
Posted by: redc1c4 at

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 07:23 PM (bgJ0E)

21 Posted by: JTB at April 14, 2019 07:19 PM (bmdz3)
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You know JTB - a Lee hand loader is something I've always meant to try.

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 07:24 PM (MVjcR)

22 Weasel, That was an outstanding description of mounting a press and especially setting up the dies. It's not difficult but does have to be done correctly.

Posted by: JTB at April 14, 2019 07:24 PM (bmdz3)

23 Opps... It appears that as I is special * slobbers on ground* I can keep those, but I am the exception so far.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 07:25 PM (bgJ0E)

24 Yo.

Anyone have thoughts on a Springfield XD Mod 2. In a .45?

Posted by: Diogenes at April 14, 2019 07:26 PM (0tfLf)

25 Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 07:23 PM (bgJ0E)

I'm prepared to offer you up to $5 US for that hash at the end of your attribution line, Big Joe. That's a keeper.

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at April 14, 2019 07:27 PM (t+qrx)

26 I have an MP5 running one of my suppressors, it is my favorite sub gun, better than the Thompson's or Stirling's, etc. Best or favorite is always hard. The others guns get jealous. For noise and inaccuracy the .50 M2 (yes, not accurate), for firepower the Yugo 52 in 7.62 Nato on the mount with optic, for SHTF the PKM , and for fun the RPD.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 07:19 PM (bgJ0E)
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Very nice. My pal has an M-16 and an Uzi, but the MP5 (he has two) are my favorites.

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 07:27 PM (MVjcR)

27 If you don't have space for a permanent mounted press, an old Workmate or similar will work just as Weasel showed above. The advatage is the Workmate can be folded up and stored flat.

Posted by: JTB at April 14, 2019 07:22 PM (bmdz3)
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Great tip, JTB. I was thinking the same thing.

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 07:28 PM (MVjcR)

28 Sold my late father-in-law's reloader when my MIL was ready to clear out some stuff... I don't have one.... I'm an idiot.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 14, 2019 07:28 PM (r+sAi)

29 21 ... " a Lee hand loader is something I've always meant to try."

Weasel, It really went better than I remembered. That Ram prime was a lot better than anticipated. I'm so used to using the hand press just to decap I forgot how useful they really are.

Posted by: JTB at April 14, 2019 07:29 PM (bmdz3)

30 Damn, I missed the drug thread.

Posted by: 25 year old sexy pharma rep at April 14, 2019 07:31 PM (YmfOS)

31 22 Weasel, That was an outstanding description of mounting a press and especially setting up the dies. It's not difficult but does have to be done correctly.

Posted by: JTB at April 14, 2019 07:24 PM (bmdz3)
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Thanks, JTB. It was a little more difficult to describe than I thought. The videos really help. I know I was confused as shit when I started out. With a little study it all sort of clicks into place so I hope my description doesn't scare anyone off!

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 07:31 PM (MVjcR)

32 Yo.

Anyone have thoughts on a Springfield XD Mod 2. In a .45?
Posted by: Diogenes at April 14, 2019 07:26 PM (0tfLf)

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I've had a number of XDs. Never even a hiccup with any of them. IMO, you can't go wrong with them.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at April 14, 2019 07:32 PM (ffYR/)

33 IRS letter in the PO. Paid a heap quarterly and still paid more. George Harrison was right.

Posted by: Eromero at April 14, 2019 07:33 PM (qBNEP)

34 Acquired a Aero Precision AR-10 .308 Thursday with 18" H-bar SS barrel, FDE Cerakoted upper and lower, 12" M-LOK hand guard, Silencerco ASR muzzle break, Nitridied bolt carrier, Radian Raptor charging handle, Magpul ACS L-stock, and a Trijicon Accupower 2.5-10x56 green LED Mil-square reticle scope with a FDE cerokoted Aero Precision SPR scope mount for $1400.00 cash (less then 50 rounds fired)...It is sitting in a guitar stand by my desk in the living room...no way can it go in the safe!

Posted by: Tentotwo at April 14, 2019 07:35 PM (yhf6w)

35 Hiya, Sponge!!!

Posted by: FIRST!!!!! at April 14, 2019 07:35 PM (C1NyB)

36 NZ Frank- Are you foreseeing canoe accidents in your parts in the future?

Posted by: Skip at April 14, 2019 07:36 PM (BbGew)

37 Posted by: Tentotwo at April 14, 2019 07:35 PM (yhf6w)
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I'd want to keep it out to look at it too!

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 07:37 PM (MVjcR)

38 Howdy, y'all! It's a range weekend coming up. Looking forward to punching some holes in paper.

Posted by: Bert G at April 14, 2019 07:37 PM (OMsf+)

39 Heya Horde!

I need to go get started on my taxes, but first I'll leave this link here. It's an ancient discussion thread about little tips and tricklets for reloading, and I've picked up quite a few handy tidbits from it.
https://tinyurl.com/y2w8lvlu

Posted by: Lazy Messenger at April 14, 2019 07:37 PM (f0Pv6)

40 guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 14, 2019 07:38 PM (xJa6I)

41 Nice info Weasel!

I took my Saiga AKM out for a spin with a Leupold VX R Patrol scope this week.

Easy sight in at 25 and 100 yards then banging a 10 inch plate at 307 yards.

It was a windy day, so I was holding off into the wind and depending on my timing with the wind gust hitting steel and sometimes not.

Here is RobSki explaining on make sure you have fun out there.

http://tinyurl.com/y4a75or4

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 14, 2019 07:39 PM (Z+IKu)

42 It sure helps to have internet videos for reference. Please take advantage of the links Weasel provided. The internet wasn't around when I started reloading but I wish it had been. OTOH, being paranoid about doing it wrong (dangerous) made me VERY attentive to all aspects of the process.

Posted by: JTB at April 14, 2019 07:39 PM (bmdz3)

43 If you don't have space for a permanent mounted press, an old Workmate or similar will work just as Weasel showed above. The advatage is the Workmate can be folded up and stored flat.
Posted by: JTB at April 14, 2019 07:22 PM (bmdz3)


That is an excellent idea.

Seeing the reloading press clamped to the quartz/solid surface counter-top fills me with dread. When you're sizing a big rifle cartridge case (such as a .30-06), you are going to be pressing down with quite a bit of force. That means the edge of the cabinet wall is going to be exerting a reactive force up, while you're pushing down. Do that often enough and I'm pretty sure you're going get a brittle failure of the quartz counter-top and then Mamma is going to be PISSED. That counter-top material is not designed for that sort of duty cycle at all.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at April 14, 2019 07:39 PM (5Yee7)

44 Kitchen reloading?

Don't confuse the black powder with the black pepper.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 14, 2019 07:40 PM (OLZex)

45 NZFrank, I'm glad you're here! I came across this article at Legal Insurection today. It's a couple weeks old, but can you elaborate on it a bit? Have the numbers changed much?

https://tinyurl.com/yxohjwmv

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at April 14, 2019 07:40 PM (C1NyB)

46 25 Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 07:23 PM (bgJ0E)

I'm prepared to offer you up to $5 US for that hash at the end of your attribution line, Big Joe. That's a keeper.
Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at April 14, 2019 07:27 PM (t+qrx)

We we have not established the principle that I am a whore and we are merely arguing over the price. Hmm....
$5 dolla real money goes a long ways dowm here, Let me ponder.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 07:41 PM (bgJ0E)

47 I'm getting a refund and instead of firearms a shed to hold more cylinders, combustion engine cylinders.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 14, 2019 07:41 PM (aA3+G)

48 Haven't even been given my 1099 so I'll just have to wire the Treasury some dough for the automatic extension. Then I will later get buttraped for the rest of the taxes that I can't afford. Yay me.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2019 07:41 PM (NWiLs)

49 Ten2Two @ 34--You are a veritable bronze god of guntrade. I'll give you 1600 yankee dollars for it.

Posted by: Eromero at April 14, 2019 07:42 PM (qBNEP)

50 Not even 50 comments in and the goddamned margins are already blown.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2019 07:42 PM (NWiLs)

51 I have an XD in 45 acp. It has been accurate and reliable and handles recoil better than I expected.

I like the cartridge but shoot them more often using the 45acp cylinder in an old Ruger Blackhawk.

Posted by: JTB at April 14, 2019 07:44 PM (bmdz3)

52 I got an extension too. It usually takes me until June or so to have the books ready to go to the CPA. If I have to pay a a fine I'm ok with that. Nobody tells me when to pay taxes.

Posted by: freaked at April 14, 2019 07:45 PM (UdKB7)

53 Nice idea using angry bees to do the counterbores for you!

Posted by: t-bird at April 14, 2019 07:46 PM (IMdOQ)

54 Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at April 14, 2019 07:39 PM (5Yee7)
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I have loaded a fair amount of rifle cartridges and generally don't find I need a tremendous amount of force, particularly with properly lubed cases. Good point though - pay attention and make sure you don't overstress anything. As I mentioned in the post, if you need to use a lot of muscle, you probably should stop and investigate what's going on.

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 07:46 PM (MVjcR)

55 39 ... Lazy Messenger, The High Road reloading tips thread in your link is great. I've been reading it off and on for years. Very helpful and a lot of fun browsing.

Posted by: JTB at April 14, 2019 07:47 PM (bmdz3)

56 How does the XD .45 work on cassawaries?
Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Florida man at April 14, 2019 07:48 PM (w7KSn)

57 Paying more taxes tomorrow than I have in all my previous years combined. But I'm out of California and couldn't be happier. I'll feel free the second I hit 'send' on those funds.

Posted by: t-bird at April 14, 2019 07:48 PM (EYsyU)

58 I recently went canoeing and lost a Tauras PT638 SA. If i still had it, any one of y'all have any experience with that make & model?

Posted by: tbodie at April 14, 2019 07:49 PM (LkzOc)

59 I like the cartridge but shoot them more often using the 45acp cylinder in an old Ruger Blackhawk.
Posted by: JTB at April 14, 2019 07:44 PM (bmdz3)


Don't have the Blackhawk but do have an old Smith &Wesson Model 25 that I bought 30 years ago with the .45ACP cylinder. It is fun to occasionally shoot a cartridge designed for a semi-auto out of a revolver. I've got some of the full moon and half-moon clips squirreled away for that purpose.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at April 14, 2019 07:50 PM (5Yee7)

60 Range report wall o'text, feel free to skip.

I have completed by 1000 round test of the SIG P320 with the Romeo1 reflex sight.

I had zero malfunctions, though I did have one underpowered round that failed to cycle the action. It was audibly less and was not a functional failure. So, props to SIG, the 320 works.

The raised sights, although they allow me to co-witness through the optic, means I have to COVER the target with to be on target. I don't like that, it means giving up a level of precision that I want. It might be fine for combat conditions where I'm putting a lot of bullets in someone.

The trigger lacks a visible trigger safety, in fact, there's no external safety of any kind. Supposedly the gun is safe but I've also heard otherwise about ND with the gun. No problems here but I was only shooting at the range. The trigger just feels different from my Glocks/XD, there's very little take up and little indication of where it will break. It may please 1911 fans, though.

The gun felt fine in hand, not perfect but not a brick, no complaints from me but it might not have an aggressive enough texturing for some. But that's an easy fix with Talon grips or skateboard tape.

Accuracy was below what I can achieve with a PPQ or an XD or Glock. But, in fairness, that might be because I have many tens of thousands of rounds through them and just 1k with the P320. It's not inaccurate though.

The takedown lever gets very hot, as it transfer heat directly from the barrel to my thumb, with a high grip. At 150 rounds, it's uncomfortable, almost painful at 200 rounds. If you shoot with gloves, this may not be an issue, or if you shoot less than 200 rounds at a time. But it's a bad design, in my opinion.

The reflex sight seems to work, especially at speed, it's much faster bringing the gun on target after the first shot. For the first shot, I can see slowing down to 'find' the dot. But when I took my first shots, I'd find the front sights and fire the first round with them and then find the dot when coming back to target. I feel it helped tighten groups up, but it also could be a distraction as I'm 'chasing' the dot. But when dialed in, yeah, one big hole at 7 yards.

I want to try the XD OSP with the Vortex Venom sight for comparison, though. So I'll probably try to trade it straight across, or if I have to go through a gun store, I'll probably lose money. But worth a shot.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 14, 2019 07:50 PM (xJa6I)

61 44 ... "Kitchen reloading?

Don't confuse the black powder with the black pepper."

Anna, I was going to say that black powder is nothing to sneeze at but I got too much class for such a bad pun.

Posted by: JTB at April 14, 2019 07:50 PM (bmdz3)

62 Owed $78 on fed taxes, BTW. Getting $149 back from the state. Almost a break even.

Posted by: Bert G at April 14, 2019 07:50 PM (OMsf+)

63 Hey everybody. Mind if I change the subject with yet another Quora question?

The question is, "What movie title would be fantastic with 'GODZILLA VS.' before its title?"

Godzilla vs. The Sound Of Music
Godzilla vs. The Warriors
Godzilla vs. The Fantastic Four

;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 14, 2019 07:51 PM (miE9U)

64 hey, we went shooting at Camp David all the time! Go ahead, ask me what caliber shotgun I used!

Posted by: Barack Obamarama at April 14, 2019 07:51 PM (ZqRa6)

65 Did I go to the range?

Yeah. It was so windy I didn't bother to take the rifle. Then it was so windy that I was unstable while shooting the pistol. I tried shooting sitting down (arms resting on knees) and the wind was STILL pushing me back and forth so I gave up.
Managed a few good groups anyway...

Anyway, I'm about to buy a S&W M&P 15-II (ar-15) and thought it might be "clever" to eventually swap out the stock barrel with a 24" one. Ballistic tables tell me I'd get about 7.5% more velocity.
Many of those barrels cost less than $100 so that's not a big deal.
Other than looking goofy with that looooooong barrel sticking out so far past the hand guard are there any drawbacks to going with a long barrel?

And no, I'm not worried about house-clearing operations.

Posted by: Arthur G Kimes at April 14, 2019 07:52 PM (hqsy+)

66 hey, we went shooting at Camp David all the time! Go ahead, ask me what caliber shotgun I used!
Posted by: Barack Obamarama


Water?

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 14, 2019 07:52 PM (miE9U)

67 Godzilla vs Moochelle!
I denounce myself

Posted by: Barack Obamarama at April 14, 2019 07:52 PM (ZqRa6)

68 Godzilla vs Brie Larson's ego

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 14, 2019 07:53 PM (OLZex)

69 Barack, good one
...but is there a movie named Moochelle? ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 14, 2019 07:53 PM (miE9U)

70 That's the way to do it Bert.

Pro tip. Start a business (like a tree farm). Expense and depreciate everything legally possible.

Posted by: freaked at April 14, 2019 07:53 PM (UdKB7)

71 Anna, LOL

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 14, 2019 07:53 PM (miE9U)

72 24 Yo.

Anyone have thoughts on a Springfield XD Mod 2. In a .45?
Posted by: Diogenes at April 14, 2019 07:26 PM (0tfLf)

My thought is: Buy it.

I have an XD 45 (first gen) if you want to try it out. It is a very good pistol.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 14, 2019 07:53 PM (xJa6I)

73 I'll be adding a Glock 17 and Taurus 905 to my existing collection this week. These are my first 9mm guns.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 14, 2019 07:53 PM (4knXT)

74 Godzilla vs. Tootsie
Godzilla vs. Hedwig And The Angry Inch

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 14, 2019 07:54 PM (miE9U)

75 Lived in a no income tax state since 2003. Will never move to one again.

Choose from..


SD, WA, TN, FL, TX, NH, AK or NV


Something for everyone climate wise.

Posted by: Ha at April 14, 2019 07:55 PM (MAstk)

76 JTB, ha!

Be a great safety cartoon with Elmer Fudd.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 14, 2019 07:55 PM (OLZex)

77 Posted by: Arthur G Kimes at April 14, 2019 07:52 PM (hqsy+)
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Not that I can think of. I have a White Oak competition upper and I think it has a 26" barrel.

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 07:55 PM (MVjcR)

78 In the period around the Civil War black powder was used for a few medicinal purposes

Posted by: Skip at April 14, 2019 07:55 PM (BbGew)

79 Thanxs for the input. Looks like a good deal on the XP.
I'll let you know how it goes.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 14, 2019 07:55 PM (0tfLf)

80 Ten2Two @ 34--You are a veritable bronze god of guntrade. I'll give you 1600 yankee dollars for it.
Posted by: Eromero at April 14, 2019 07:42 PM (qBNEP)
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I appreciate the offer but I will be hanging on to this one!

Posted by: Tentotwo at April 14, 2019 07:55 PM (yhf6w)

81 Seeing the reloading press clamped to the quartz/solid surface counter-top fills me with dread. When you're sizing a big rifle cartridge case (such as a .30-06), you are going to be pressing down with quite a bit of force. That means the edge of the cabinet wall is going to be exerting a reactive force up, while you're pushing down. Do that often enough and I'm pretty sure you're going get a brittle failure of the quartz counter-top and then Mamma is going to be PISSED. That counter-top material is not designed for that sort of duty cycle at all.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at April 14, 2019 07:39 PM (5Yee7)

That is a good thought, if the countertop is actual rock or ersatz marble. If it just formica, on an MDF base board, it should be pretty forgiving.

I am not a fan of granite, marble, or "quartz" countertops. Real rock is very, very heavy, and has practically no shear strength or tensile strength. Compressive strength up the wazoo, though.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 14, 2019 07:55 PM (TfwlC)

82 Godzilla vs. Joe Biden:Hey You Big Lizard, Where's Your Genitals?

Rated X for excellent!.....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 14, 2019 07:56 PM (Z+IKu)

83 Pro tip. Start a business (like a tree farm). Expense and depreciate everything legally possible.

Posted by: freaked at April 14, 2019 07:53 PM (UdKB7)
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It's working so far!

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 07:56 PM (MVjcR)

84 67 ... "Godzilla vs Moochelle!"

Oh c'mon. You got to give Godzilla at least some chance to win.

Posted by: JTB at April 14, 2019 07:56 PM (bmdz3)

85 Godzilla vs. Children of a Lesser God

Posted by: josephistan at April 14, 2019 07:56 PM (Izzlo)

86 If you start a business, I can get your fictitious business name published for you. ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 14, 2019 07:57 PM (miE9U)

87 Blade Runner 2049 is coming on.
Stay up and watch some? All?
I do need to get up no later than 0430hrs

Posted by: Skip at April 14, 2019 07:57 PM (BbGew)

88
That is a good thought, if the countertop is actual rock or ersatz marble. If it just formica, on an MDF base board, it should be pretty forgiving.

I am not a fan of granite, marble, or "quartz" countertops. Real rock is very, very heavy, and has practically no shear strength or tensile strength. Compressive strength up the wazoo, though.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 14, 2019 07:55 PM (TfwlC)
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It's synthetic on wood.

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 07:57 PM (MVjcR)

89 Godzilla vs The Toxic Avenger

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 14, 2019 07:57 PM (miE9U)

90 73 I'll be adding a Glock 17 and Taurus 905 to my existing collection this week. These are my first 9mm guns.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 14, 2019 07:53 PM (4knXT)

The G17 is a classic. You'll either love or hate the grip angle. Let me know what you find with the Taurus 905, I'm curious.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 14, 2019 07:58 PM (xJa6I)

91 87 Blade Runner 2049 is coming on.
Stay up and watch some? All?
I do need to get up no later than 0430hrs
Posted by: Skip at April 14, 2019 07:57 PM (BbGew)

It's pretty, but not a must-watch.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 14, 2019 07:58 PM (xJa6I)

92 Chain saws, blades, oil, and fuel. Gravel for the roads, fence for the border. That nice new laptop They are all expenses. If you don't look out the Feds will owe you.

Posted by: freaked at April 14, 2019 07:58 PM (UdKB7)

93 If I ever get into reloading, I know where to turn for guidance, that's for sure.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2019 07:58 PM (NWiLs)

94
https://tinyurl.com/yxohjwmv
Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at April 14, 2019 07:40 PM (C1NyB)

At about one thousand I think now. Then everything stopped as word spread about no knock dawn raids on people who filled in the online hand back form.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 07:59 PM (bgJ0E)

95 Went to my local range early this afternoon to exercise one of my shotguns. The place was absolutely mobbed; cars parked all the way out to the county road. This means something...

Posted by: Rusty Bill at April 14, 2019 08:00 PM (MXuIM)

96 Godzilla vs. Joe Biden:Hey You Big Lizard, Where's Your Genitals?

Rated X for excellent!.....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 14, 2019 07:56 PM (Z+IKu)


I declare the winnah! Breath-of-Flame vs. Groping-Fingers. Godzilla is lining up for a shot and then, BAM, Creepy Uncle Joe sneaks up from behind and grabs Godzilla by the 'nads.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at April 14, 2019 08:01 PM (5Yee7)

97 found this great tip at the linked thread, right on the First! page:

When you first try out a new type of bullet...
You are gonna get 100 rounds out of a box of them, right?
No.
You are going to get 99.

You take the first one and make a dummy round with it. Do this for each bullet type you buy.
Then when you want to switch your dies from 125 grain JHP to 158 grain LRN, all you have to do is loosen up the die, run your loaded 158 grain dummy round the whole way in, and tighten everything back up until it won't move anymore.
It is a very quick way to adjust reloading dies and even works with the crimp when you have to change from .38 SPL to .357.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 14, 2019 08:01 PM (ER1jH)

98 At about one thousand I think now. Then everything stopped as word spread about no knock dawn raids on people who filled in the online hand back form.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 07:59 PM (bgJ0E)

Unbelievable. This Nazi shit has to stop.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2019 08:01 PM (NWiLs)

99 OK, I'm probably going to step in some doo-doo here but that does not look like a very stable set up for something that you are dealing with minute tolerances.

A C-clamp will lose a certain amount of grip after a few repeated motions and will thus effect the pull on your press.

my unwanted .02cents.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 14, 2019 08:02 PM (7QGOK)

100 95 Went to my local range early this afternoon to exercise one of my shotguns. The place was absolutely mobbed; cars parked all the way out to the county road. This means something...


Posted by: Rusty Bill at April 14, 2019 08:00 PM (MXuIM)
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I used to belong to a public range and would see the same thing. Some days crowded, other days almost empty. Was there recently a gun show nearby?

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 08:02 PM (MVjcR)

101 The G17 is a classic. You'll either love or hate the grip angle. Let me know what you find with the Taurus 905, I'm curious.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 14, 2019 07:58 PM (xJa6I)

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G17 was my first gun, and they are good ones. I traded for an XD9 after a friend let me try theirs. The XD had a much better grip angle and hand fit....for me. The G17 felt like holding a 2x4 after trying the XD, again, to me.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at April 14, 2019 08:03 PM (ffYR/)

102 98 At about one thousand I think now. Then everything stopped as word spread about no knock dawn raids on people who filled in the online hand back form.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 07:59 PM (bgJ0E)

Unbelievable. This Nazi shit has to stop.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2019 08:01 PM (NWiLs)

Only if someone stops them. They aren't going to look in the mirror and suddenly thing "whoa, maybe we're the bad guys, doing exactly what the terrorist wanted us to do..."

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 14, 2019 08:04 PM (xJa6I)

103 You take the first one and make a dummy round with it. Do this for each bullet type you buy.
Then when you want to switch your dies from 125 grain JHP to 158 grain LRN, all you have to do is loosen up the die, run your loaded 158 grain dummy round the whole way in, and tighten everything back up until it won't move anymore.
It is a very quick way to adjust reloading dies and even works with the crimp when you have to change from .38 SPL to .357.


Posted by: redc1c4 at April 14, 2019 08:01 PM (ER1jH)
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Always checking the finished cartridge for proper length, of course.

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 08:04 PM (MVjcR)

104 Godzilla vs Donnie Two Scoops

Two Scoops has a 3 percent chance of winning
Huffington Post on the morning of the big fight

Godzilla can take as many as 384 Electoral College votes!
Rachel Maddow show as the fight is beginning

The market will crash and never recover if Godzillar loses
Paul Krugman
You're not dreaming, Godzilla lost
Rachel Maddow in a daze the next morning
we now have solid evidence that Klaatu helped defeat Godzilla
the Crackpot News Network

Posted by: Barack Obamarama at April 14, 2019 08:05 PM (ZqRa6)

105 OK, I'm probably going to step in some doo-doo here but that does not look like a very stable set up for something that you are dealing with minute tolerances.

A C-clamp will lose a certain amount of grip after a few repeated motions and will thus effect the pull on your press.

my unwanted .02cents.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 14, 2019 08:02 PM (7QGOK)
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It's surprisingly stable. Very surprisingly stable. I have been using that exact setup downstairs on the reloading bench, which is about half the thickness of the kitchen countertop pictured, for years.

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 08:06 PM (MVjcR)

106 Ha, I clamped my press to my computer desk when I got started reloading. Not the greatest, let me tell you...

HF has a 60" workbench for a bit over $100, I use that now and it works wonders.

Posted by: Ninjafluff at April 14, 2019 08:08 PM (yBZ7A)

107 97 You take the first one and make a dummy round with it. Do this for each bullet type you buy.
Then when you want to switch your dies from 125 grain JHP to 158 grain LRN, all you have to do is loosen up the die, run your loaded 158 grain dummy round the whole way in, and tighten everything back up until it won't move anymore.
It is a very quick way to adjust reloading dies and even works with the crimp when you have to change from .38 SPL to .357.

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And here, I just keep a dummy round of all the cartridges I load as a bit of a trophy, I never thought to use them that way. This is why I love these threads!

Posted by: Ninjafluff at April 14, 2019 08:09 PM (yBZ7A)

108 At about one thousand I think now. Then everything stopped as word spread about no knock dawn raids on people who filled in the online hand back form.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 07:59 PM (bgJ0E)


Has anyone inadvertently submitted the turn-in form with someone else's name and address - someone they don't particularly get along with, say - completely by accident?

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at April 14, 2019 08:09 PM (t+qrx)

109 The hoarder speaks:

After the first sentence of the third paragraph I knew I must obtain last weeks edition. Bing is knumb knuts, but they like the Pet Thread. Google is not my friend but last weeks Gun Thread was the third option.

Here is the link to last week's thread in case one needs to catch up:

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/380671.php

Posted by: Braenyard at April 14, 2019 08:10 PM (/tCqq)

110 Reloading related but a bit O/T. I came across some articles about low power loads for rifles. I've done this in the past and it is a lot of fun, especially with full size battle rifles like the Springfield 03 or British SMLE. If interested, do a search on C.E. Harris and The Load.

There is another low power category called gallery loads. This consists of using a round ball and thumb pressing it into the case mouth of a rifle cartridge using tiny amounts of pistol powder. There's more to it but it might be worth looking up. They can be quite accurate out to 50 yards.

I don't regard these as good for beginners but might be interesting.

Posted by: JTB at April 14, 2019 08:10 PM (bmdz3)

111 It's surprisingly stable. Very surprisingly stable. I have been using that exact setup downstairs on the reloading bench, which is about half the thickness of the kitchen countertop pictured, for years.
Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 08:06 PM (MVjcR)


I used a similar set-up when I couldn't dedicate bench space to permanently mounted press. I clamped it to a wooden bench top when I wanted to do some reloading. I never had any problems.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at April 14, 2019 08:12 PM (5Yee7)

112 The G17 is a classic. You'll either love or hate the grip angle. Let me know what you find with the Taurus 905, I'm curious.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 14, 2019 07:58 PM (xJa6I)


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Barring a tragic canoe accident, I'll report back once I've put a hundred or so rounds through it.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 14, 2019 08:12 PM (4knXT)

113 I've watched that Silverado video on handgun shooting a couple of times. Makes some sense. After the heal up is complete, I'm going to use it to reintroduce my self to the range.

Posted by: Agitator at April 14, 2019 08:13 PM (m9DnX)

114 Weasel, I just remember my Uncle, the gunsmith, having his permanently mounted on a workbench.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 14, 2019 08:14 PM (7QGOK)

115 Here is the link to last week's thread in case one needs to catch up:

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/380671.php

Posted by: Braenyard at April 14, 2019 08:10 PM (/tCqq)
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Thanks Braenyard - I've started a little archive of gun threads here:
http://tinyurl.com/y3mqku48

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 08:15 PM (MVjcR)

116 There is another low power category called gallery loads. This consists of using a round ball and thumb pressing it into the case mouth of a rifle cartridge using tiny amounts of pistol powder. There's more to it but it might be worth looking up. They can be quite accurate out to 50 yards.

I don't regard these as good for beginners but might be interesting.
Posted by: JTB at April 14, 2019 08:10 PM (bmdz3)

Will the flash from the primer reliably ignite a small amount of pistol powder lying loose in the "bottom" side of the shell as it sits in the chamber? Or is some sort of wadding used?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 14, 2019 08:15 PM (TfwlC)

117 Weasel, I just remember my Uncle, the gunsmith, having his permanently mounted on a workbench.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 14, 2019 08:14 PM (7QGOK)
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Sure - lots of people do that. I'm just trying to offer alternatives for beginners who may not have the money or space for a dedicated bench.

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 08:17 PM (MVjcR)

118 99 ... "I'm probably going to step in some doo-doo here but that does not look like a very stable set up for something that you are dealing with minute tolerances.

A C-clamp will lose a certain amount of grip after a few repeated motions and will thus effect the pull on your press. "

Hi Ben Had, The set up is actually adequate for most reloading. But even with a bit of overall press movement, the ram will stay in position with the die.

Posted by: JTB at April 14, 2019 08:17 PM (bmdz3)

119 At about one thousand I think now. Then everything stopped as word spread about no knock dawn raids on people who filled in the online hand back form.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 07:59 PM (bgJ0E)


Are the NZ police and/or Army actually doing raids?

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at April 14, 2019 08:18 PM (5Yee7)

120 Want to say thanks to all the horde for all of your tips last Sunday. When I told Mr NEC that I wanted to take a basic handgun course while he was out of town he suggested that I wait til he returned home. He wanted to go as well. We are scheduled for a class the first week of May. We checked out the range one night last week and then I booked our class.
He's been researching handguns and spoke to our friend the retired Marine who gave him a few tips.
I have been looking at the Kimber Micro 9 as a rental for the class and he will rent either a Beretta or a Glock.
The person at the rental desk at the range tried to talk me out of the Kimber saying that the barrel is too short for me to train with due to accuracy issues. Need a longer barrel. I'm hopin the hubby and I can trade guns during the range time that is part of our class.
I'm thrilled that we are taking the class together. He's shown zero interest in shooting and inferred that his disinterest was based on having served in Vietnam.
If I could I would like to personally strangle the assholes who made the return of many of those that served in Vietnam something that they should be ashamed of. How did we go from honoring those that served in prior wars to shaming Vietnam vets as baby killers and the like. I know that he was treated badly even though he doesn't talk about it. I also give credit to our friend the retired Marine and his wife who is retired Navy for helping him get over how he was treated. Without them I don't believe he would be accompanying me to this class. He also after all these decades proudly displays a Vietnam Vet license plate on his truck.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at April 14, 2019 08:18 PM (N3JsI)

121 Thank You all, I stand corrected and will not worry about your reloads.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 14, 2019 08:19 PM (7QGOK)

122 Two of the most valuable things I got for my reloading set up is an led halo that mounts under the round top of my Lee Loadmaster, and endoscope camera that connects to my iPad so I can get a close view of the case after the powder measure has dumped it's load into the case.

Posted by: Snidely Whiplash at April 14, 2019 08:19 PM (dVp8a)

123 Cool, gub thread!



Reloading question / general question for the Kahr owners out there - the Kahr hates my cheap FMJ practice ammo. Have purchased some Horde-recommended Hornady Critical Defense cartridges (though that's spendy merely for practice) and I also see that the same Hornady bullets are available for re-loading


a) Anyone else reloaded for Kahr?

b) Any less-expensive Kahr practice ammo suggestions?

Posted by: Steck at April 14, 2019 08:19 PM (LlRQB)

124 Thank You all, I stand corrected and will not worry about your reloads.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 14, 2019 08:19 PM (7QGOK)
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Not at all Ben Had! Glad to have you here and welcome the questions!

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 08:20 PM (MVjcR)

125 For noise and inaccuracy the .50 M2 (yes, not accurate)...
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not if you sandbag the tripod legs, install the T and E mechanism, and set it to single shot. Carlos Hathcock got kills in SVN with that set up, over a mile away, IIRC.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 14, 2019 08:21 PM (ER1jH)

126 Here is the link to last week's thread in case one needs to catch up:

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/380671.php

Posted by: Braenyard at April 14, 2019 08:10 PM (/tCqq)
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Thanks Braenyard - I've started a little archive of gun threads here:
http://tinyurl.com/y3mqku48
Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 08:15 PM (MVjcR)

Book marked the links. Thanks to you both.

Posted by: tbodie at April 14, 2019 08:22 PM (LkzOc)

127 Just completed the tax forms (money for the feds) and prepared the envelopes. Neither stamps nor booze in the house and work tomorrow. God is testing me, I tells ya.

Posted by: joncelli tries Windows 10 at April 14, 2019 08:23 PM (1FhAQ)

128 Calm Mentor @ 101- My first Glock was a 19 (Gen 2?) traded it on a XD9, which ended up with a friend years ago. Don't own any XD's anymore. Glocks however, are a favorite. They always work.

Posted by: Eromero at April 14, 2019 08:23 PM (qBNEP)

129 a) Anyone else reloaded for Kahr?

b) Any less-expensive Kahr practice ammo suggestions?

Posted by: Steck at April 14, 2019 08:19 PM (LlRQB)
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I'm not able to answer your Kahr question in particular, but one of my 1911's would not feed a semi-wadcutter bullet reliably, no matter what I tried. Solution? Switch to round nose bullets for that gun. That's the great thing about reloading - versatility!

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 08:24 PM (MVjcR)

130 Will the flash from the primer reliably ignite a small amount of pistol powder lying loose in the "bottom" side of the shell as it sits in the chamber? Or is some sort of wadding used?

You'd have to use wadding, otherwise you'd end up with with a sizable gap between the powder and the projectile, and you get interesting pressure waves bouncing around in that space.

Interesting pressure waves are contraindicated.

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 14, 2019 08:24 PM (bZ7mE)

131 A lifetime ago another guy and me had a progressive stage loader, we set it up in his kitchen often, don't remember much set up to it.

Posted by: Skip at April 14, 2019 08:25 PM (BbGew)

132 Book marked the links. Thanks to you both.

Posted by: tbodie at April 14, 2019 08:22 PM (LkzOc)
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One of these days I'm going to go back and include thread descriptions.

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 08:26 PM (MVjcR)

133 116 Will the flash from the primer reliably ignite a small amount of pistol powder lying loose in the "bottom" side of the shell as it sits in the chamber? Or is some sort of wadding used?"

AOP, I never had a problem and never used wadding. The general procedure is to tip the rifle up a little to settle the powder against or close to the primer. The use of fillers, like dacron fibers, can make pressures unpredictable and is not done anymore although it was sometimes used in years past.

Posted by: JTB at April 14, 2019 08:27 PM (bmdz3)

134 I have been looking at the Kimber Micro 9 as a rental for the class ... The person at the rental desk at the range tried to talk me out of the Kimber saying that the barrel is too short for me to train with due to accuracy issues. Need a longer barrel.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at April 14, 2019 08:18 PM (N3JsI)

I disagree with the range guy: you are obtaining familiarity with that Micro 9 to determine its suitability as a defensive firearm for YOUR use. You aren't attempting to achieve ultimate accuracy at extended ranges. Typical gunfights involving police in the U.S. occur pretty close-in (something like 8-10 feet or so).

You want to make certain you can rack the slide for loading/unloading, tolerate the recoil and generally hit what you aim at. Groups of about 6 inch diameter in center-of-mass at 10 feet range would be pretty acceptable in my opinion. You won't win any target shooting prizes but that's not your reason for being there.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at April 14, 2019 08:28 PM (5Yee7)

135
You want to make certain you can rack the slide for loading/unloading, tolerate the recoil and generally hit what you aim at. Groups of about 6 inch diameter in center-of-mass at 10 feet range would be pretty acceptable in my opinion. You won't win any target shooting prizes but that's not your reason for being there.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at April 14, 2019 08:28 PM (5Yee7)
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This x 1000.

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 08:29 PM (MVjcR)

136 the only upside to not making any money is that April 15th is just another day.

however, no income doesn't stop the State of #Failifornia from demanding taxes on income they imagine i make from the professional registration i have with them.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 14, 2019 08:30 PM (ER1jH)

137 It's Sunday night already?!!
Shoot. If I read the content and the comments, everyone will have gone home already!
What to do, what to do?

Ok, everything that guy said is right.

Posted by: RI Red at April 14, 2019 08:30 PM (14H38)

138 You forgot the most important step, convincing your wife that youre not going to blow up the house.

Posted by: Jean at April 14, 2019 08:31 PM (25Dt7)

139 Ok, everything that guy said is right.

Posted by: RI Red at April 14, 2019 08:30 PM (14H3
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If only WeaselWoman understood this!

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 08:31 PM (MVjcR)

140 Calm Mentor @ 101- My first Glock was a 19 (Gen 2?) traded it on a XD9, which ended up with a friend years ago. Don't own any XD's anymore. Glocks however, are a favorite. They always work.
Posted by: Eromero at April 14, 2019 08:23 PM (qBNEP)

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That's cool, they are both great, trouble free guns that go bang every time, no matter what. The hand fit is very much a personal preference kind of thing.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at April 14, 2019 08:33 PM (ffYR/)

141 You forgot the most important step, convincing your wife that youre not going to blow up the house.

Posted by: Jean at April 14, 2019 08:31 PM (25Dt7)
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Pish! I haven't blown up the house in ages!

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 08:33 PM (MVjcR)

142 I have been looking at the Kimber Micro 9 as a rental for the class ... The person at the rental desk at the range tried to talk me out of the Kimber saying that the barrel is too short for me to train with due to accuracy issues. Need a longer barrel.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at April 14, 2019 08:18 PM (N3JsI)
I disagree with the range guy: you are obtaining familiarity with that Micro 9 to determine its suitability as a defensive firearm for YOUR use. You aren't attempting to achieve ultimate accuracy at extended ranges. Typical gunfights involving police in the U.S. occur pretty close-in (something like 8-10 feet or so).

You want to make certain you can rack the slide for loading/unloading, tolerate the recoil and generally hit what you aim at. Groups of about 6 inch diameter in center-of-mass at 10 feet range would be pretty acceptable in my opinion. You won't win any target shooting prizes but that's not your reason for being there.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop

Getting accurate with a short sight radius is difficult, was he trying to up sell you to a laser laser?

Posted by: Jean at April 14, 2019 08:34 PM (25Dt7)

143 Pish! I haven't blown up the house in ages!
Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 08:33 PM (MVjcR)

So, with a little practice and experience you learn to control the booms?

Posted by: tbodie at April 14, 2019 08:35 PM (LkzOc)

144 Weasel beat me to it. I was going to say I haven't blown up the house for a long time. We learn from our mistakes, right?

Posted by: JTB at April 14, 2019 08:36 PM (bmdz3)

145 You forgot the most important step, convincing your wife that youre not going to blow up the house.
Posted by: Jean at April 14, 2019 08:31 PM (25Dt7)


I checked that pretty shortly after the pre-Mrs. Cop and I had developed a serious relationship. I told her I loved her, I owned numerous firearms, would not get rid of them and if that was not acceptable we needed to end the relationship. Since we've been together for almost three decades, I guess I was acceptable.

It's a little harder if you show up and say "Surprise, I decided to start reloading, now."

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at April 14, 2019 08:36 PM (5Yee7)

146 So, with a little practice and experience you learn to control the booms?

Posted by: tbodie at April 14, 2019 08:35 PM (LkzOc)
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Yeah! And it's not the powder that gets you - it's the primers.

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 08:36 PM (MVjcR)

147 Thanks again Weasel and Retired Buckeye Cop. You confirmed my own thinking. I need to feel comfortable with my choice not someone's opinion of what I should shoot.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at April 14, 2019 08:37 PM (N3JsI)

148 Two of the most valuable things I got for my reloading set up is an led halo that mounts under the round top of my Lee Loadmaster, and endoscope camera that connects to my iPad so I can get a close view of the case after the powder measure has dumped it's load into the case.
Posted by: Snidely Whiplash

I assume youre good on esd procedures

Posted by: Jean at April 14, 2019 08:37 PM (25Dt7)

149 It's a little harder if you show up and say "Surprise, I decided to start reloading, now."

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at April 14, 2019 08:36 PM (5Yee7)
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Don't forget to tell her you read about it on the internet from a guy calling himself Weasel.

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 08:38 PM (MVjcR)

150 The Mall of America attempted homicide is another case where a good gut with a gun could have helped., That bastard needed killing

Posted by: CN at April 14, 2019 08:38 PM (U7k5w)

151 138 You forgot the most important step, convincing your wife that youre not going to blow up the house.
Posted by: Jean at April 14, 2019 08:31 PM (25Dt7)

Or get her to blow the place up in your stead.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2019 08:39 PM (NWiLs)

152 'a good gut with a gun'

I think I could qualify for that.

Posted by: freaked at April 14, 2019 08:40 PM (UdKB7)

153 147 Thanks again Weasel and Retired Buckeye Cop. You confirmed my own thinking. I need to feel comfortable with my choice not someone's opinion of what I should shoot.


Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at April 14, 2019 08:37 PM (N3JsI)
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Absolutely! I consider myself a halfway decent pistol shot at the range, but think I'd settle for slightly looser groups if someone were trying to kill me.

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 08:41 PM (MVjcR)

154 Jean. No upsell, just his opinion. I did pretty well with the Beretta 9mm I shot in the past. I had problems with the slide and zero recoil issues. I received great suggestions last week about slide operation. I used the technique when looking at the Kimber and it worked.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at April 14, 2019 08:41 PM (N3JsI)

155 AOP, I never had a problem and never used wadding. The general procedure is to tip the rifle up a little to settle the powder against or close to the primer. The use of fillers, like dacron fibers, can make pressures unpredictable and is not done anymore although it was sometimes used in years past.
Posted by: JTB at April 14, 2019 08:27 PM (bmdz3)

You know what would make a good filler? Gun cotton made from cotton batting material (like cotton swabs). You could reduce the powder charge a little, since guncotton is a propellant in its own right. I wonder if it is commercially made anymore?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 14, 2019 08:42 PM (TfwlC)

156 Don't forget to tell her you read about it on the internet from a guy calling himself Weasel.
Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 08:38 PM (MVjcR)

Just remember, if you read it on the internet it must be true.

Posted by: tbodie at April 14, 2019 08:42 PM (LkzOc)

157 Here is a short video on basic pistol shooting and it's free. This guy does a good job keeping it short and sweet.

http://tinyurl.com/y39ltzhg

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 14, 2019 08:42 PM (Z+IKu)

158 This is a great site with shit commenting functions. AOS needs to replatform or add a better commenting service - but whatever - AOS no doubt has his reasons. Laughable sidebar post an Japan pussification. The analysis doesn't even mention the obvious reason; Porn.

Posted by: P38J at April 14, 2019 08:43 PM (ua1m6)

159 >>>not if you sandbag the tripod legs, install the T and E mechanism, and set it to single shot. Carlos Hathcock got kills in SVN with that set up, over a mile away, IIRC.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 14, 2019 08:21 PM (ER1jH)
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Not the T and A mechanism?

Posted by: Braenyard at April 14, 2019 08:43 PM (/tCqq)

160 not if you sandbag the tripod legs, install the T and E mechanism, and set it to single shot. Carlos Hathcock got kills in SVN with that set up, over a mile away, IIRC.
Posted by: redc1c4 at April 14, 2019 08:21 PM


He also had a scope mounted.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 14, 2019 08:45 PM (DMUuz)

161 This is a great site with shit commenting functions. AOS needs to replatform or add a better commenting service - but whatever - AOS no doubt has his reasons. Laughable sidebar post an Japan pussification. The analysis doesn't even mention the obvious reason; Porn.
Posted by: P38J at April 14, 2019 08:43 PM (ua1m6)

You are wearing your ignorance like a badge, dude. Ace uses Minx 0.7 alpha because the price is right, and it gets the job done, and there are no possibly hostile intermediaries with which to deal.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 14, 2019 08:46 PM (TfwlC)

162 Good stuff Weasel. Thanks for the info very informative for those of us less knowledgeable. As for taxes had my filed 2 weeks ago (only 2nd time in 30 years I haven't filed an extension What is this refund thing you mentioned I am unfamiliar with it

Posted by: Sock monkey wanted: organ grinder, willing to train at April 14, 2019 08:47 PM (7mnfd)

163
I would like to propose a slogan/motto for the weekly Gun Thread:

GN
FN

The only thing missing is U.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 14, 2019 08:47 PM (DMUuz)

164 What's wrong with^the commenting service┐?

Posted by: freaked at April 14, 2019 08:47 PM (UdKB7)

165 How did we go from honoring those that served in prior wars to shaming Vietnam vets as baby killers and the like. I know that he was treated badly even though he doesn't talk about it.....
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at April 14, 2019 08:18 PM (N3JsI)


Same thing that has poisoned everything good or decent since:

The rotten mass media.

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at April 14, 2019 08:47 PM (C1NyB)

166 156 Don't forget to tell her you read about it on the internet from a guy calling himself Weasel.
Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 08:38 PM (MVjcR)

Just remember, if you read it on the internet it must be true.
Posted by: tbodie at April 14, 2019 08:42 PM (LkzOc)

Uh...bonjour!

Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2019 08:47 PM (NWiLs)

167 The Pig is also capable of outstanding accuracy when tripod-mounted.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 14, 2019 08:48 PM (DMUuz)

168 119 Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at April 14, 2019 08:18 PM (5Yee7)

PoPo

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 08:49 PM (bgJ0E)

169 I like to have reference materials for maintaining my guns. At the moment I have the Gun Digest books on disassembly and assembly of centerfire rifles and on handguns. I still have to get one for rimfire guns. I want the books partly to do my own repairs and I have no faith in internet sources remaining available. They aren't cheap but are less expensive than a trip to the gunsmith.

This is for basic maintenance and one for one part replacement. I don't do metal work or more extensive modifications. For my purposes, the rifle volume is to be able to take apart bolts, clean and lube the parts, and reassemble them properly.

Posted by: JTB at April 14, 2019 08:49 PM (bmdz3)

170 139 Ok, everything that guy said is right.

Posted by: RI Red at April 14, 2019 08:30 PM (14H3
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If only WeaselWoman understood this!
Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 08:31 PM (MVjcR

I was going to say that everything that guy said was bullshit, but I didn't want to Pesci on the thread.

Posted by: RI Red at April 14, 2019 08:49 PM (14H38)

171 You forgot the most important step, convincing your wife that youre not going to blow up the house.

Posted by: Jean at April 14, 2019 08:31 PM (25Dt7)
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it was Resident 3vil's idea to start reloading. we kinda have to, give some of the cannons she's purchased.

(338 Lapua, 416 Barrett, 460 Steyr, 445 Supermag, 357 Maximum, etc)

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 14, 2019 08:49 PM (ER1jH)

172 (338 Lapua, 416 Barrett, 460 Steyr, 445 Supermag, 357 Maximum, etc)

I am so turned on right now.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2019 08:50 PM (NWiLs)

173 neverenoughcaffeine- The Micro9 is a good little pistol, Mrs. E carries one, and yes there is a C-Trace on it. She hardly ever turns it on. Please bear in mind her first carry was a Cold Defender, when she used to carry a bigger purse. And btw, she prefers shooting the G17 and G34 for targets, about 100 rds per 2 months, and Micro, say twice a year because carry.

Posted by: Eromero at April 14, 2019 08:50 PM (qBNEP)

174 Damnit, I need to hit the rack. I meant COLT Defender.

Posted by: Eromero at April 14, 2019 08:51 PM (qBNEP)

175 The Pig is also capable of outstanding accuracy when tripod-mounted.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 14, 2019 08:48 PM (DMUuz)
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i shot the Pig in competition, back in the mid-80s.

then they put a two mile run on the front of the match, in boots and full gear, carrying everything.

FTS.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 14, 2019 08:51 PM (ER1jH)

176 Weasel, besides rim fire, is there anything that cannot be reloaded? I've done a lot of shotgun shells, but not cartridges. Is something like 10mm tough?

Posted by: clutch at April 14, 2019 08:52 PM (kiSdp)

177 Good night all

Posted by: Skip at April 14, 2019 08:56 PM (BbGew)

178 Posted by: P38J at April 14, 2019 08:43 PM (ua1m6)


The archaic commenting system is part of the charm of this place.

Anything else is blasphemy.

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at April 14, 2019 08:56 PM (C1NyB)

179 that video was good
where can I go to do air pistol(?) practice?

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 14, 2019 08:56 PM (dm05u)

180 **blushes**

Posted by: lin-duh in keto at April 14, 2019 08:57 PM (UUBmN)

181 Anyone familiar with the Walther P22? I want to buy one for my wife for her early morning walks We have had cougar issues out here since we've lived here however last year we had 5 cougars within a hundred yards of our house I realize it's a 22 doesn't have significant knock down power but I still feel it's an effective defense in that scenario that and I have a plethora of 22 ammunition the reason I'm looking at the Walter yes because of its reputation I'm not jamming you regardless of the quality of the ammunition you use it only has a 10 shot clip which is a downside for a 22 any thoughts out there or familiarity with the weapon?

Posted by: Sock monkey wanted: organ grinder, willing to train at April 14, 2019 08:57 PM (7mnfd)

182 Not much Duke Nukemomentum!

PATHETIC! Eric Swalwell'4s first presidential rally has only a few dozen people watching on Facebook Live

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at April 14, 2019 08:58 PM (+y/Ru)

183 177 Weasel, besides rim fire, is there anything that cannot be reloaded? I've done a lot of shotgun shells, but not cartridges. Is something like 10mm tough?

Posted by: clutch at April 14, 2019 08:52 PM (kiSdp)
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Hi Clutch - I've never reloaded 10mm, but there is not really any difference in terms of technique. The only difference between calibers is some are less forgiving than others. If you stick with published loads, it should be pretty much the same as I'm describing here.

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 08:58 PM (MVjcR)

184 **blushes**

Posted by: lin-duh in keto at April 14, 2019 08:57 PM (UUBmN)
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There she is!

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 08:59 PM (MVjcR)

185 125 For noise and inaccuracy the .50 M2 (yes, not accurate)...
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not if you sandbag the tripod legs, install the T and E mechanism, and set it to single shot. Carlos Hathcock got kills in SVN with that set up, over a mile away, IIRC.
Posted by: redc1c4

And the myth starts with the Brits in Korea even earlier. You can sandbag, wire, put it a a anvil vice, do what ever you want to do to the M2, but they are not repeatably accurate. Look at how John Moses Browning PBUH designed the thing. It is a recoil gun where the barrel ( the one thing that for accuracy should not move) moves on the bush/bearing as it recoils and sets up in a different spot between shots. I believe Carlos did hit targets at long range with a .50 M2, he may just have fired a few more rds to get the hit. I struggle with the idea that people think they are accurate as facts tell me otherwise. YMMV.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 08:59 PM (bgJ0E)

186 Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 08:49 PM (bgJ0E)

This is stunning to me. Just stunning.

Not to go all Godwin, but this is in line with the old standby, "It was legal. We were just following orders."

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at April 14, 2019 08:59 PM (C1NyB)

187 Weasel, besides rim fire, is there anything that cannot be reloaded? I've done a lot of shotgun shells, but not cartridges. Is something like 10mm tough?
Posted by: clutch at April 14, 2019 08:52 PM (kiSdp)

Rim fire can be reloaded. You can order a kit of stuff to do it on the Internet. Probably not cost-effective, though.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 14, 2019 09:00 PM (TfwlC)

188 'night Skip!

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 09:01 PM (MVjcR)

189 Eromero. Thanks. Hubby will also purchase. We can cover most needs with his handgun and mine. We will also purchase something for critter control. Coyotes are driving us nuts.
I do not expect to own a large number of guns like the gun loving enthusiasts of the horde. No need for a canoe accident.
However if we realize our dream of moving to MT a few more purchases may be in order.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at April 14, 2019 09:01 PM (N3JsI)

190 I got my extension filled out to mail tomorrow. The 1041 is WAY more complex then I can do.

Looks like we will be off loading some compact handguns soon. A Glock 26 & 43 and two Kimbers, one in 9mm and one in 45acp.

Posted by: lin-duh in keto at April 14, 2019 09:01 PM (UUBmN)

191 186 Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 08:49 PM (bgJ0E)

This is stunning to me. Just stunning.

Not to go all Godwin, but this is in line with the old standby, "It was legal. We were just following orders."
Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at April 14, 2019 08:59 PM (C1NyB)

Yerrrrp.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 09:02 PM (bgJ0E)

192 FWIW, for any reloading newbies:
I've only been reloading for a few years, yet I can now produce a reliable, accurate round for every one of my firearms. They clearly exceed factory ammo.
It only takes reading and scrupulously adhering to the instructions in the books (like no alcohol, measure twice, cut once) and keeping good records of your attempts.
The first time I produced a 5.56 round that actually fired, ejected the brass, cycled the action and hit the target was a proud papa moment. I showed the rounds to Mrs. Red and she said they looked shiny, like jewelry.
So big hits all around.
And this is a great thread to bookmark, save and learn. I keep a reloading binder that has lots of pages from here. Good stuff.

Posted by: RI Red at April 14, 2019 09:03 PM (14H38)

193 Anyone familiar with the Walther P22? I want to buy one for my wife for her early morning walks We have had cougar issues out here since we've lived here however last year we had 5 cougars within a hundred yards of our house I realize it's a 22 doesn't have significant knock down power but I still feel it's an effective defense in that scenario that and I have a plethora of 22 ammunition the reason I'm looking at the Walter yes because of its reputation I'm not jamming you regardless of the quality of the ammunition you use it only has a 10 shot clip which is a downside for a 22 any thoughts out there or familiarity with the weapon?

Posted by: Sock monkey wanted: organ grinder, willing to train at April 14, 2019 08:57 PM (7mnfd)
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Well I can tell you I really like my P22. Great gun and zero issues with it.

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 09:03 PM (MVjcR)

194 Also, I can't believe that weasel lady allows you to reload in the kitchen!

Posted by: lin-duh in keto at April 14, 2019 09:04 PM (UUBmN)

195 Not a reloading thing, but I'd mentioned (to no feedback) in last night's ONT, 'bout an acquisition here in Orlando.

Snagged a Norwegian Krag Carbine, original 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser chambering, all original, unaltered (and nearly mint) metal, but in a (nicely done) Bishop stock.

Scarce as hen's teeth, are Norwegian Krags. And I got it at about 1/5th of it's market value.

I other words, they had it priced like a Springfield .30-40.

Ooops, them.

Yay, me!


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 14, 2019 09:04 PM (0Kh3z)

196 The Leftists started shaming the military when we started fighting commies and islamists. They were fine and dandy when we were fighting europeons and emperors.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 14, 2019 09:04 PM (r+sAi)

197 Guns are icky. Ahoy!

Posted by: Little Admiral Kristol at April 14, 2019 09:04 PM (EgshT)

198 Yerrrrp.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 09:02 PM (bgJ0E)

The NZ government has banned publishing the asshole's manifesto, even as it carries out one of his demands. Do you think that ban has been effective, or is the message getting through to people?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 14, 2019 09:04 PM (TfwlC)

199 155 ... AOP, Gun cotton for use in firearms never made it to the 20th century as far as I can learn. It was too unstable and unpredictable. It was a step in the development of smokeless powder but no more.

Posted by: JTB at April 14, 2019 09:06 PM (bmdz3)

200 Alberta Oil Peon,
No comment. the walls have ears.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 09:07 PM (bgJ0E)

201 Yay, me!


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 14, 2019 09:04 PM (0Kh3z)
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Congrats. man!

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 09:08 PM (MVjcR)

202 194 Also, I can't believe that weasel lady allows you to reload in the kitchen!

Posted by: lin-duh in keto at April 14, 2019 09:04 PM (UUBmN)
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She doesn't! She's mean and makes me reload next to the washer and dryer!

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 09:11 PM (MVjcR)

203 At about one thousand I think now. Then everything stopped as word spread about no knock dawn raids on people who filled in the online hand back form.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 07:59 PM (bgJ0E)

what's the online hand back form ? is it a voluntary form that you can fill out saying you want to turn in a gun?

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 14, 2019 09:11 PM (dm05u)

204 I struggle with the idea that people think they are accurate as facts tell me otherwise. YMMV.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 08:59 PM (bgJ0E)
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it all depends on how you define the term.

if i can put a beaten zone on a trail 1200 meters away, and cover it, that's accurate.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 14, 2019 09:11 PM (ER1jH)

205 I struggle with the idea that people think they are accurate as facts tell me otherwise. YMMV.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 08:59 PM (bgJ0E)
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pics or GTFO.

PS: i hate you.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 14, 2019 09:12 PM (ER1jH)

206 Why can't I get a hash that says Big Joe?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 14, 2019 09:14 PM (r+sAi)

207 the machine gun is moving around wildly
the targets are moving around wildly
They're gonna meet

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 14, 2019 09:14 PM (dm05u)

208 I seldom comment here but a few things about reloading.

A) Blackpowder is something to be feared as it is extremely flammable and explosive--if you plan on reloading this stuff--follow safety rules for it religiously.

B) Smokeless powder is not an explosive but burns fast and hot. Clean your work area before reloading.

C) Have only ONE powder out and double, triple check the powder versus the reloading chart. Do not leave powder in your powder measure at the end of your job, clean it up and restore the powder to the container.

D) Consider either using your barrel if you have a semi auto or buying a cartridge check gage for the cartridges that you are reloading. This is especially important for all semi-automatic firearms. Older semi autos, you may want to use the barrel as the chambers may not be friendly to all bullet profiles.

E) Primers are your most dangerous component and take the most careful handling. They are a high explosive, can happily embed themselves into your body at high speeds if you are not careful, and should be left in the original package when not using or put back into the packaging when finished with reloading. Do not leave them out and do not use a vacuum around your reloading area without carefully checking for one of those little buggers. Kabooms have been known to happen.

For new reloaders, the THR (the high road is very friendly to new folks on reloading) and you can also learn a lot lurking at the cast boolits forum if you are reloading lead bullets.

Posted by: whig at April 14, 2019 09:14 PM (WT0Md)

209 Well I can tell you I really like my P22. Great gun and zero issues with it.
Posted by: Weasel

Thanks Weasel after lurking around your gun threads for awhile, your word carrys weight

Posted by: Sock monkey wanted: organ grinder, willing to train at April 14, 2019 09:15 PM (7mnfd)

210 181 .. If reliability is a concern, and it should be, there are a number of 9 and 10 shot 22 revolvers on the market. Maybe not as compact as a semi-auto but might be but worth checking out.

Posted by: JTB at April 14, 2019 09:15 PM (bmdz3)

211 Ruger SR 22 is a fine .22 to carry. And lots of fun.
I don't think I've ever had a FTF (failure to fire) with any brand of ammo. It also looks good, fits the hand easily and won't break the bank.
Although, on general principle, I'd carry something bigger for critters like coyotes and cougars, ten rounds of .22 would probably do the trick.

Posted by: RI Red at April 14, 2019 09:15 PM (14H38)

212 OT there is this chick with big tits that keeps coming on my TV saying "I don't want to be a body shamer".

Posted by: freaked at April 14, 2019 09:16 PM (UdKB7)

213 pics or GTFO.

PS: i hate you.

But, but I thought that this was the start of a great relationship.
And you are absolutely correct, accuracy is relative. If I want to snot something with one shot at 1200mtrs I will reach for my .338LM. Not Gods right fist.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 09:16 PM (bgJ0E)

214 I got hooked on reloading when I saw how accurate my rifle could be with the right recipe. The price is right too. I use Varget for my .308 and .223 bolt guns.

Started with the basic Lee kit and almost immediately started upgrading stuff. One thing that's saves your hands is the Lyman case prep machine. Chamfering and cleaning primer pockets gets old fast using hand tools.


Lots of fun and an interesting hobby

Posted by: Somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 14, 2019 09:16 PM (Bh6pi)

215 Posted by: whig at April 14, 2019 09:14 PM (WT0Md)
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Thanks for checking in. We've covered a few of these topics and will get to some of the others as we move along on the reloading topic.

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 09:18 PM (MVjcR)

216 JTB, what do you think that the nitro cellulose content in single based smokeless powder is? Why it is our old friend gun cotton. Double based powders add nitroglycerin to the mix.

Posted by: whig at April 14, 2019 09:18 PM (WT0Md)

217 207 the machine gun is moving around wildly
the targets are moving around wildly
They're gonna meet

Yeah , nah.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 09:19 PM (bgJ0E)

218 Well I can tell you I really like my P22. Great gun and zero issues with it.
Posted by: Weasel

Thanks Weasel after lurking around your gun threads for awhile, your word carrys weight

Posted by: Sock monkey wanted: organ grinder, willing to train at April 14, 2019 09:15 PM (7mnfd)
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Well I'll try not to let you down! Seriously, mine has been a great little gun and it's fun and of course very economical to shoot!

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 09:20 PM (MVjcR)

219 Thanks again for the thread Weasel and others, I am RTU.
Hope I did not come across as a bit pissed off, but the situation here is not fun times.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 09:21 PM (bgJ0E)

220 WTF @ 205?

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 14, 2019 09:22 PM (ER1jH)

221 195 "Snagged a Norwegian Krag Carbine, original 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser chambering, all original, unaltered (and nearly mint) metal, but in a (nicely done) Bishop stock."

Jim, Massive congrats of that Krag. In my opinion the 6.5x55 Swede is one of the best centerfire rounds ever developed and the Krag is reputed to have sweet, smooth operation.

Please let us know how it handles when you get a chance to shoot it. (I assume it won't be a safe queen.)

Posted by: JTB at April 14, 2019 09:22 PM (bmdz3)

222 Somewhere on Ventura, concur. I've have an RCBS case prep setup machine and it saves hours of work and helps old arthritis wrists. Case trim, champfer, debur, primer pocket clean and ream if needed.
And it has a very soothing sound. Rrrr, Rrrr, Rrrr.
The sound of freedom.

Posted by: RI Red at April 14, 2019 09:22 PM (14H38)

223 I got hooked on reloading when I saw how accurate my rifle could be with the right recipe.
Posted by: Somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 14, 2019 09:16 PM (Bh6pi)


Maybe that's why I never got into it. I have never owned a rifle that wasn't already inherently more accurate than I am, out of the box, with whatever loads are on sale that week.

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at April 14, 2019 09:22 PM (t+qrx)

224 Very disappointing Tiger Woods did not thank Presdent Obama for all the help he gave Tiger for this comeback. Tiger is more of a white person then a person of color !!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at April 14, 2019 09:23 PM (qM84C)

225 Thanks again for the thread Weasel and others, I am RTU.
Hope I did not come across as a bit pissed off, but the situation here is not fun times.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at April 14, 2019 09:21 PM (bgJ0E)
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Nah - all good amigo. Look forward to seeing you here next week.

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 09:23 PM (MVjcR)

226 let's try this again:
Yay, me!


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 14, 2019 09:04 PM (0Kh3z)
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pics or GTFO.

PS: i hate you.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 14, 2019 09:23 PM (ER1jH)

227 220 WTF @ 205?

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 14, 2019 09:22 PM (ER1jH)
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not you?

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 09:25 PM (MVjcR)

228 I guess Obama is also responsible for this great Economic recovery too Cloggin-Idiot !!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at April 14, 2019 09:25 PM (qM84C)

229 Lotta love here tonight. I can feel it.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2019 09:26 PM (NWiLs)

230 Mary's arguing with herself again.

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at April 14, 2019 09:26 PM (t+qrx)

231 In gun-related news, I was at the Portland Antique Auto swap meet last week, and got a "non-working" Tasco 4X15 rifle scope for a whole dollar. Optics seemed all screwed up; you could see only a blur, looking in the eyepiece. Well, I quickly discovered that some genius had forced an extra eyepiece lens assembly over the objective end of the scope, which is simply a straight tube with a slightly recessed objective lens. Slipped that off, and the scope seems to work fine. I will rig up some way to fit it onto my old Cooey .22 single shot.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 14, 2019 09:27 PM (TfwlC)

232 A good video on die setup is here.

That was good. Of course, I started watching with zero knowledge, but I believe I have an idea of some of your processes now.

Posted by: t-bird at April 14, 2019 09:27 PM (Ibwur)

233 I have one of the Ruger standard pistols, the one that started it all, I wouldn't trade it for the world. I wonder if the new Mark series are as good.

Posted by: Somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 14, 2019 09:28 PM (Bh6pi)

234 Also concur on primers being the most dangerous part of the mix. I only do hand-priming and always make sure the tool is pointed away from my face.
I've had one primer pop (don't remember why), but it's more than a firecracker.
And only one powder on the bench and everything else in a locked steel cabinet, far away from me and the furnace.

Posted by: RI Red at April 14, 2019 09:28 PM (14H38)

235 Hello, what time is the ONT?

Posted by: ALH at April 14, 2019 09:28 PM (8wKjk)

236 ...pics or GTFO.

PS: i hate you.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 14, 2019 09:23 PM (ER1jH)




I won't be able to get pics till after I bail it out of FFL purgatory in Texas. But it's purty!

As far as the hate goes, I hope you enjoy your "The Joy of Soy" cookbook!


/snrk



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 14, 2019 09:28 PM (0Kh3z)

237 232 A good video on die setup is here.

That was good. Of course, I started watching with zero knowledge, but I believe I have an idea of some of your processes now.

Posted by: t-bird at April 14, 2019 09:27 PM (Ibwur)
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Good! A picture is worth a thousand words. I was even confusing myself after a while!

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 09:29 PM (MVjcR)

238 Lotta love here tonight. I can feel it.
Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2019 09:26 PM (NWiLs)


That's just the smooth jazz soundtrack that plays in the background of every Weasel thread.

Posted by: hogmartin invites you to the summer MIMoMe (link: nick) at April 14, 2019 09:29 PM (t+qrx)

239 Somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 14, 2019 09:16 PM (Bh6pi)
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we might be neighbors...

i can be reached via my nic AT moronhorde DOT com, if you wanna check.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 14, 2019 09:29 PM (ER1jH)

240 Hey just wanted to try to post something from my smartphone. I was banned for no reason in December so I can't post from home. Just wanted to brag I got my taxes done on April 10th which might be a record for me. Much easier now that I'm not farming anymore be well all and I'll chat later if I can keep figuring this out paragraph.. if anyone has a contact to get me on band please let me know I've tried Ace and pixie no luck and I did nothing I think this might work

Posted by: Farmer at April 14, 2019 09:30 PM (ROyGB)

241 Looks like Ace helped Weasel countersink dim holes

Posted by: REDACTED at April 14, 2019 09:30 PM (RZ6R1)

242 Hello, what time is the ONT?

Posted by: ALH at April 14, 2019 09:28 PM (8wKjk)
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it's usually up @ 10PM Eastern, but the COBs have been experiencing a bit of premature performance, as it were, the last few weeks.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 14, 2019 09:31 PM (ER1jH)

243 We could be, I live here in East Ventura.

Posted by: Somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 14, 2019 09:31 PM (Bh6pi)

244 241 Looks like Ace helped Weasel countersink dim holes

Posted by: REDACTED at April 14, 2019 09:30 PM (RZ6R1)
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HA! I was wondering when that would come up! The second set of holes is for another press!

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 09:32 PM (MVjcR)

245 Posted by: Farmer at April 14, 2019 09:30 PM (ROyGB)
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forwarded to the usual suspects.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 14, 2019 09:33 PM (ER1jH)

246 Join the Farmer Liberation Front!

Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2019 09:34 PM (NWiLs)

247 Hey Farmer, glad to see you. Hope you can get the snafu straightened up soon.

Posted by: JTB at April 14, 2019 09:34 PM (bmdz3)

248 if anyone has a contact to get me on band please let me know I've tried Ace and pixie no luck and I did nothing I think this might work
Posted by: Farmer at April 14, 2019 09:30 PM (ROyGB)

Nice to hear from you, Farmer. I like the hash, too. Straight out of the resistor color-code mnemonic, too:

Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly. (black, brown, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, gray, white, for the numerals 0 - 9)

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 14, 2019 09:35 PM (TfwlC)

249 215, Thanks Weasel. I've read the AOS gun thread occasionally since it came about and you've been doing a fine job from what I've read. I have noticed a fair amount of new folks on THR and I wonder if this thread is causing that.

A few THR folks worried about an influx of trolls but so far everything has been copacetic with the new folks. There have been quite a few new folks showing up from late 2018-present.

The few trolls that do show up from time to time generally hit the general topics or strategy and tactics/rifles subforums. Some of the troublemaking is obvious when they try to shame the THR members for whatever outrage du jour exists. Occasionally a few odd question askers show up on gunsmithing as well generally on impractical alterations of existing firearms or plans to build their own.

Posted by: whig at April 14, 2019 09:35 PM (WT0Md)

250 Hogmartin, I also didn't think I could shoot better than factory ammo. Once I started keeping accurate records, I "unexpectedly " found myself shooting better.

Posted by: RI Red at April 14, 2019 09:36 PM (14H38)

251 246 Join the Farmer Liberation Front!

Posted by: Insomniac at April 14, 2019 09:34 PM (NWiLs)

Liberate the Farmer's Daugh Front!

Posted by: Traveling Salesmen's Association at April 14, 2019 09:36 PM (dm05u)

252 ughh typos ruin everything

Posted by: Traveling Salesmen's Association at April 14, 2019 09:37 PM (dm05u)

253 Join the cause and sign up today!

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 14, 2019 09:37 PM (NWiLs)

254 HA! I was wondering when that would come up! The second set of holes is for another press!
Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 09:32 PM (MVjcR)

To pick nits: thse holes are not countersunk; they are counterbored. A countersink makes a 45 deg, angled hole so a flat-head screw or rivet can be seated flush, or just below flush. A counterbore is a cylindrical hole, with a flat bottom.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 14, 2019 09:38 PM (TfwlC)

255
I swear, the local weather guys are jacking off all over themselves. We''ve had two possible tornadoes/funnels in our area, one now going on in Pickens and Northern Greenville county.

They had tight rotation on the radar, and they started going crazy. Jacking off like Bill Kristol, David French and the boys in the cuckshed watching their wives get gang-banged by a biker gang.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 14, 2019 09:38 PM (f1Vqw)

256 249 215, Thanks Weasel. I've read the AOS gun thread occasionally since it came about and you've been doing a fine job from what I've read. I have noticed a fair amount of new folks on THR and I wonder if this thread is causing that.

A few THR folks worried about an influx of trolls but so far everything has been copacetic with the new folks. There have been quite a few new folks showing up from late 2018-present.

The few trolls that do show up from time to time generally hit the general topics or strategy and tactics/rifles subforums. Some of the troublemaking is obvious when they try to shame the THR members for whatever outrage du jour exists. Occasionally a few odd question askers show up on gunsmithing as well generally on impractical alterations of existing firearms or plans to build their own.

Posted by: whig at April 14, 2019 09:35 PM (WT0Md)
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Thanks Whig. Fortunately, we haven't had a problem with trolls. Every once in a while I'll delete a comment, but that's about it. Hope you stick around.

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 09:38 PM (MVjcR)

257 off punchline

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 14, 2019 09:38 PM (dm05u)

258 257 off punchline
Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 14, 2019 09:38 PM (dm05u)

It was a valiant effort.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 14, 2019 09:39 PM (NWiLs)

259 the COBs have been experiencing a bit of premature performance, as it were, the last few weeks.
Posted by: redc1c4 at April 14, 2019 09:31 PM (ER1jH)

That's funny.

Posted by: ALH at April 14, 2019 09:39 PM (8wKjk)

260 Weasel, Thanks for another great gun thread. These reloading threads are excellent. I should bookmark them for easy reference.

Posted by: JTB at April 14, 2019 09:39 PM (bmdz3)

261 To pick nits: thse holes are not countersunk; they are counterbored. A countersink makes a 45 deg, angled hole so a flat-head screw or rivet can be seated flush, or just below flush. A counterbore is a cylindrical hole, with a flat bottom.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 14, 2019 09:38 PM (TfwlC)
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OK. Thanks.

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 09:40 PM (MVjcR)

262 Isn't counterbored just an awkward way of saying entertained?

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 14, 2019 09:41 PM (NWiLs)

263 OK. Thanks.
Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 09:40 PM (MVjcR)

Like I said, a nitpick. You run a tight thread here, Weasel. Very worthy.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 14, 2019 09:41 PM (TfwlC)

264 Weasel, Thanks for another great gun thread. These reloading threads are excellent. I should bookmark them for easy reference.

Posted by: JTB at April 14, 2019 09:39 PM (bmdz3)
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Thanks JTB. Jump in and keep me honest if I start steering people the wrong way!

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 09:42 PM (MVjcR)

265 Isn't counterbored just an awkward way of saying entertained?
Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 14, 2019 09:41 PM (NWiLs)

You could be underwhelmed, too!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 14, 2019 09:42 PM (TfwlC)

266 Posted by: Sock monkey wanted: organ grinder, willing to train at April 14, 2019 08:57 PM (7mnfd)

I've got a P22. Nothing against it, it's ok.

For coyotes, I'd want something a bit stronger and centerfire.

Do you have your heart set on .22lr? Or on the P22 size?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 14, 2019 09:42 PM (xJa6I)

267 FWIW, I got into reloading because of the great ammo shortages caused by politicos. I stayed doing it because I developed a milsurp bolt action acquisition and restoration problem. Some of those, you pretty much have to reload for if you want to shoot them on a regular basis prior to Prvi Partisan ammo becoming more widely available.

I would also suggest that a Lee Classic (not the cheaper aluminum one) Turret Press is a good beginner to intermediate press that simply works without a lot of the fiddling that you have to do on some of their other presses. You can start with single stage, manually move to the next die and so forth which is faster than switching dies back and forth. When you develop, you can then let the machine index to the next die for a bit faster reloading job.

Posted by: whig at April 14, 2019 09:42 PM (WT0Md)

268 For coyotes, I'd want something a bit stronger and centerfire.

And you have to hang out near the US-Mexico border.

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 14, 2019 09:43 PM (NWiLs)

269 We could be, I live here in East Ventura.

Posted by: Somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 14, 2019 09:31 PM (Bh6pi)
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that's #Failifornia close: i live in the SE part of The Valley, like totally, fer sure.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 14, 2019 09:43 PM (ER1jH)

270 You could be underwhelmed, too!

Why must everyone be either underwhelmed or overwhelmed? Why can't anyone just be whelmed? "Yeah, I saw that movie. It was whelming."

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at April 14, 2019 09:44 PM (qc+VF)

271 Thanks guys you're the best. Read if they need more info I've sent it but my email is t a n d j u l e s at comcast.net. yeah I like that farmers live in front.

Posted by: Farmer at April 14, 2019 09:44 PM (ROyGB)

272 Although, on general principle, I'd carry something bigger for critters like coyotes and cougars, ten rounds of .22 would probably do the trick.
Posted by: RI Red

My wife wants something compact. The issue with cougars is when you don't see them. I've had 2 encounters hunting Once with my .06 and once with my bow. Both times I smelled like a doe in heat. The warning on the product says not to put on person probably for that very reason. I am fairly confident that the cougar understood that I wasn't prey. Needless to say both (especially with the bow) were hair raising, orifice puckering experiences

Posted by: Sock monkey wanted: organ grinder, willing to train at April 14, 2019 09:45 PM (7mnfd)

273 Like I said, a nitpick. You run a tight thread here, Weasel. Very worthy.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 14, 2019 09:41 PM (TfwlC)
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Thanks man - and no worries! I have pretty thick skin!

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 09:45 PM (MVjcR)

274 268 For coyotes, I'd want something a bit stronger and centerfire.

==

yeah, those putos shootnback

Posted by: vmom superior, order of sweet merciless ninjas at April 14, 2019 09:45 PM (dm05u)

275 Sorry very OT....

CBS is suggests punching a white dude for.....

http://tinyurl.com/y5owhsta

Posted by: MarcusZ1967 at April 14, 2019 09:45 PM (ndVm0)

276 The issue with cougars is when you don't see them.

They sneak right up on you, move in close and whisper "buy me a drink, good-lookin!"

Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation Front at April 14, 2019 09:46 PM (NWiLs)

277 ...that's #Failifornia close: i live in the SE part of The Valley, like totally, fer sure.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 14, 2019 09:43 PM (ER1jH)



You forgot the hair flip, like, duh!



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 14, 2019 09:46 PM (0Kh3z)

278 5-2 Jets!!!!!

In the Blues' barn

Posted by: logprof at April 14, 2019 09:46 PM (XAYDB)

279 not you?

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 09:25 PM (MVjcR)
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just a copy and paste fail

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 14, 2019 09:47 PM (ER1jH)

280 For coyotes, I'd want something a bit stronger and centerfire.

Coyotes are the consummate survivor. Take a shot at them with anything and they will disappear like smoke on the wind

Posted by: Sock monkey wanted: organ grinder, willing to train at April 14, 2019 09:48 PM (7mnfd)

281 not you?

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 09:25 PM (MVjcR)
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just a copy and paste fail

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 14, 2019 09:47 PM (ER1jH)
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gotcha.

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 09:48 PM (MVjcR)

282 To tie in the Gun Thread and April 15th:
For the first time in about 25 years, I didn't use my accountant this year. I also didn't owe the IRS anything; in fact I got a nice little chunk back.
Downside, if you're paying a lot of taxes, you're making a lot of money - I no longer am.
Although now retired, I took a part time job this year to keep me busy. Having seen some money coming back in, it makes me want to bring in more money.
Why? Because this frickin' thread (and unnamed cobs) has ignited my interest in long range shooting. And I just gotta have something that will ring the gong at 1000 yards. And I ain't affording it on part time retail.
So, commencing soon, I'm giving up my part time gig and going back to some legal eagling.
Weasel, I blame you. And thank you.

Posted by: RI Red at April 14, 2019 09:49 PM (14H38)

283 Weasel, thanks for another great gub thread. I look forward to it every weekend.

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at April 14, 2019 09:49 PM (C1NyB)

284 Allrighty - the ONT should be along soon, so thanks everyone for hanging out here for a bit. I appreciate it! I realize the material is a little, well, dry - but I'm hoping someone will be able to use it! Hope to see you next week!

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 09:50 PM (MVjcR)

285 The issue with cougars is when you don't see them.

They sneak right up on you, move in close and whisper "buy me a drink, good-lookin!"
Posted by: Insomniac - Founder, Farmer Liberation

Mrs Sock Monkey wants to know what I laughing at. Fairly certain I am not going to share that one with her

Posted by: Sock monkey wanted: organ grinder, willing to train at April 14, 2019 09:51 PM (7mnfd)

286 Wow, The Lightning may be on the bad side of one of the biggest upsets in sports history.

Posted by: logprof at April 14, 2019 09:51 PM (XAYDB)

287 Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 09:50 PM (MVjcR)

Not dry.
I've been reloading since 1996, and I am still learning a lot and enjoying the series!

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at April 14, 2019 09:52 PM (C1NyB)

288 I know precious little about guns, so this thread is a frequent good source.

Posted by: logprof at April 14, 2019 09:52 PM (XAYDB)

289 the COBs have been experiencing a bit of premature performance, as it were, the last few weeks.
Posted by: redc1c4 at April 14, 2019 09:31 PM (ER1jH)

Who?

Posted by: ALH at April 14, 2019 09:53 PM (8wKjk)

290 Weasel, I blame you. And thank you.

Posted by: RI Red at April 14, 2019 09:49 PM (14H3
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Ha! Good news, grasshopper! I can help with that!

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 09:53 PM (MVjcR)

291 Do you have your heart set on .22lr? Or on the P22 size?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo

P22 In addition to the Walther I am looking at Ruger and Sig Mosquito

Posted by: Sock monkey wanted: organ grinder, willing to train at April 14, 2019 09:54 PM (7mnfd)

292 283 Weasel, thanks for another great gub thread. I look forward to it every weekend.

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at April 14, 2019 09:49 PM (C1NyB)
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My pleasure. Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 09:54 PM (MVjcR)

293 288 I know precious little about guns, so this thread is a frequent good source.

Posted by: logprof at April 14, 2019 09:52 PM (XAYDB)
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Glad to hear it logprof!

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 09:55 PM (MVjcR)

294 *ONT is NOOD!*

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Town Drunk at April 14, 2019 09:55 PM (Ckg4U)

295 OK, time to call it quits. Hasta Lumbago, Morons/Ettes! And Weasel. And Weasel Woman. And Weasel Dog.

Posted by: RI Red at April 14, 2019 09:55 PM (14H38)

296 Nood. ONT.

Posted by: ALH at April 14, 2019 09:57 PM (8wKjk)

297 Shit, Blues goal.

5-3 Jets

Posted by: logprof at April 14, 2019 09:57 PM (XAYDB)

298 'Night everyone! File those taxes tomorrow!

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 09:57 PM (MVjcR)

299 Posted by: Sock monkey wanted: organ grinder, willing to train at April 14, 2019 09:54 PM (7mnfd)

The Mosquito has kind of a shitty reputation for reliability.

I have a Ruger 22/45, and it might be my favorite pistol. Fun to shoot, plenty accurate, eats everything I feed it. The new generation is much easier to strip and reassemble. I also like that the design and manual of arms mimics the 1911, which is my carry piece. So this gives me cheap practice and warm up.

YMMV.

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at April 14, 2019 09:58 PM (C1NyB)

300 Good E

Posted by: wing at April 14, 2019 10:00 PM (JFzNN)

301 ...P22 In addition to the Walther I am looking at Ruger and Sig Mosquito

Posted by: Sock monkey wanted: organ grinder, willing to train at April 14, 2019 09:54 PM (7mnfd)




That Sig has .... shall I say, a "less than stellar" reputation in the shooting community.

Reliability seems to be lacking in the feeding rounds, ejecting rounds and staying in one piece mechanically arenas. Often all at the same time.

I get where you're at in the sizing and packaging arenas.

For what you're looking for, might you go up one size factor, and consider a Kel-Tec .22 Magnum, PMR 30 autopistol?

.38 special power levels and thirty rounds, to boot.

And though still a pussycat to shoot, it's better than the .22 LR to shoot the pussycat.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX


Posted by: Jim at April 14, 2019 10:01 PM (0Kh3z)

302 Title of basic beginner's reloading handbook?

Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at April 14, 2019 10:04 PM (9MBGf)

303 You forgot the hair flip, like, duh!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 14, 2019 09:46 PM (0Kh3z)
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you're just jealous i still have hair.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 14, 2019 10:07 PM (ER1jH)

304 Thanks fellow horders I alwatys look to those who have the experience. I will add those to my list

Posted by: Sock monkey wanted: organ grinder, willing to train at April 14, 2019 10:09 PM (7mnfd)

305 and consider a Kel-Tec .22 Magnum
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Agreed! That's a very interesting round, Jim!

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 10:10 PM (MVjcR)

306 Title of basic beginner's reloading handbook?


Posted by: jakee308 - Hylozoist at April 14, 2019 10:04 PM (9MBGf)
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They're all pretty good, but I started with the Hornady Manual I think. Take a look at last week's thread (linked in the comments) for other recommendations. They almost always have an introduction to reloading section at the beginning.

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 10:12 PM (MVjcR)

307 Here's the link to the 4/7/19 thread:

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/380671.php

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 10:13 PM (MVjcR)

308 Title of basic beginner's reloading handbook?>>>>>>>

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 10:12 PM (MVjcR)

I have the Lyman manual from 1982, which I purchased just because I wanted to know more about the various rounds available to me.
And because it's fun reading about that stuff....

Is it still a good reference?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 14, 2019 10:32 PM (wYseH)

309 One in EVERY garage in Murica.

Posted by: Sapwolf at April 14, 2019 10:37 PM (PRyLN)

310 What? All that reloading blah blah blah and no love for Dillon?

Posted by: PaterNovem at April 14, 2019 11:18 PM (wxQ53)

311 i mentioned them, if for no other reason than to get their catalogues....

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 14, 2019 11:38 PM (ER1jH)

312 For rifle rounds, unless you are doing serious precision stuff (and if you are, you don't need advice here), the Lee Factory Crimp Die is your friend.
Much easier to adjust than other types of crimps, can be used with or without cannelures.
If you use a separate crimp die, just don't forget to adjust the crimp out of your seating die if you were using one that way.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at April 15, 2019 04:55 AM (67XdO)

313 Title of basic beginner's reloading handbook?>>>>>>>

Posted by: Weasel at April 14, 2019 10:12 PM (MVjcR)

I have the Lyman manual from 1982, which I purchased just because I wanted to know more about the various rounds available to me.
And because it's fun reading about that stuff....

Is it still a good reference?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 14, 2019 10:32 PM (wYseH)
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Absolutely! One word of caution when using any older reloading data, though. Powder profiles *can and will change* over the years. Anytime you are looking at reloading data, check the date of the source material and always double check your intended load against another data source just to be sure. I have reloading manuals that date to the early 50s and some of the loads in it would be considered dangerous by today's standards. Speer is notorious for this, as I recall.

Posted by: Weasel at April 15, 2019 07:00 AM (RrqtM)

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