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Gun Thread: Rolling Your Own! [Weasel]

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Our Pal R.R.

Last week in the comments we started discussing the benefits of reloading. Ronald Reagan was obviously too busy being a movie star and future president to roll his own - so what is your excuse? Let's take a look at some of these benefits, shall we?

If you were to ask someone who reloads their own ammunition why they go to the effort, you're likely to get an answer that is some variation of a few central themes; it's fun and interesting - really a hobby unto itself, with a little advance planning you'll never run out of ammo, and believe it or not it can be a hell of a lot more accurate than commercially made ammunition.

So let's examine each of the reasons in order.

Reloading as a Hobby
I honestly cannot remember why I started reloading in the first place, but once I did I quickly learned it's an enjoyable hobby unto itself. I work in an office at a computer all day, but I also enjoy working with my hands and that wasn't something I was able to do very often. With reloading, you're using tools to make precise measurements and to shape and fit metal to exact tolerances. There is a certain tactile gratification that comes with the process and the result is a very useful product. With experience, and by following some straightforward rules, you can vary certain components to make very specific custom ammunition for your particular application. Too much muzzle flash or recoil from your .44 Magnum snubby? With a little experience you can use a different powder or bullet to make shooting the same weapon for practice much more enjoyable.

Supply, Demand and Economics
Periodically, current events or changes in the political climate will cause commercial ammunition to be in short supply, and even during ordinary times, you're stuck with whatever your local retailer or online dealer has in stock. Commercial ammunition can be expensive and shipping costs for online orders significantly add to the cost unless you happen to find a free shipping deal. It's nice to know you can go to your reloading bench and in an hour or so produce a hundred rounds of whatever you plan on shooting without worrying about shortages or the UPS guy showing up on time. All you need to do is plan ahead and have the necessary components on hand.

One misconception is that by reloading you are automatically going to save a ton of money. In truth, after the initial modest investment of a few hundred dollars in basic reloading equipment, the cost per round does go down quite a bit, but most reloaders find themselves shooting more so for many it tends to be about a wash economically speaking.

You decide - let's take a popular round, the .38 Special, which is the cartridge I usually recommend people begin with. I just priced the necessary components (primers, brass, bullets and powder) on a popular reloading supply website and came up with a raw material cost of less than 20 cents per round, compared with a retail price of more than 30 cents per round for bulk loaded ammunition. You may end up buying reloading components online and incurring shipping and hazmat fees for powder & primers but without much effort you can realize a savings, in this case more than 30%, all things being equal.

Accuracy
In the reloading world, accuracy is synonymous with consistency. If you shoot the same weight projectile at the same speed without waving the gun around too much, the bullets will tend to go to the same place. That's clearly an oversimplification, but it's fundamentally correct. The practical difference between quality handloads and even the best commercially made ammunition comes from the scale of manufacture. Commercial ammunition manufacturers make a lot of ammo utilizing high-speed production lines. I'm just spitballing here, but I'd guess a decent size manufacturing line produces more in an hour than a typical reloader makes in years, or maybe even a lifetime.

Dispite a manufacturer's best efforts, commercial machinery is subject to wear and eventually goes out of tolerance which will inevitably show up as variations in consistency unless very carefully addressed and managed. To compound the problem, the ammunition in a single box may have been produced at different times on entirely different production line machinery with differing maintenance schedules. The attentive reloader is limited only by the degree of effort they wish to invest in the process. With a modest reloading setup and some experience, you can manufacture ammunition in virtually any caliber that is significantly more accurate than what you can buy in the store.

But is it worth it?

Do you want to invest a lot of effort reloading ammunition to go plink at beer cans on a fence for fun with your pals? Maybe and maybe not, but as accuracy becomes more important, the consistency afforded by quality reloads begins to pay off. As a general rule I know that my handgun reloads group tighter than commercial ammunition because I see the evidence on the target. I haven't bothered to measure the group sizes, but off the top of my head I'd guess the groups are 10% to 15% tighter on a good day.

Does that really matter in the casual shooting example given above? The improvement in group size for that type of shooting isn't always that important (to me) and I will generally use whatever I have handy, but with a preference for handloads. In this case the main value comes in the ability to produce ammunition if none other is available, as well as the simple enjoyment I receive from the process. Competitive handgun shooters I know use either handloads or commercial ammunition depending on the circumstances. While you may not experience a life-changing improvement in accuracy overnight, particularly at handgun distances, why not use the most accurate ammunition available? Yours!

So again - is it worth it from an accruacy standpoint alone? Do you exclusively shoot handloads? How about the value of greater accuracy in a developing shooter's training?

Next week - Measuring consistency and realizing the value of accurate ammo as a training tool!

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What the Hell? A Mossberg 9mm?

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Mossberg MC1sc - click photo to go to product webpage

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Link-O-Rama

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Reloading Supplier - Berry's Manufacturing
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Reloading Supplier - Sinclair International
Reloading Supplier - Powder Valley, Inc.
Reloading Equipment - L.E. Wilson
Midsouth Newsletter - Brass Prep Pt. 1
Midsouth Newsletter - Brass Prep Pt. 2
SurplusAmmo - Bullet Sale - h/t redc1c4

***Mail Bag***

This week's submission comes to us from our pal RI Red. This is how a reloading bench should look! For the rest of you slobs, note how everything is neat, tidy and the workspace is uncluttered. Thanks, RI Red! Very nice setup!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:31 PM




Comments

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1 Boom!

Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 07:31 PM (ffYR/)

2 Hey, nice RWR ad!

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 07:33 PM (w7KSn)

3 Hey, all!

Posted by: GRI Red at March 24, 2019 07:33 PM (tVtan)

4 The mossberg pistol is a stinker from what I have seen

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 24, 2019 07:33 PM (JUOKG)

5 Thanks Weasel!!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 24, 2019 07:35 PM (cqNba)

6 Christmas cigs. That was a different time.

Not necessarily better mind you but different. I do think we were more free then.

Posted by: freaked at March 24, 2019 07:35 PM (UdKB7)

7 I agree, guns don't generally go off all by themselves.
Can't think of a single personal instance, matter of fact.
It only goes bang when I want it to.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 07:35 PM (w7KSn)

8 The mossberg pistol is a stinker from what I have seen


Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 24, 2019 07:33 PM (JUOKG)
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And sort of a crowded market for compact 9mm offerings, too.

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 07:35 PM (MVjcR)

9 Went to the gun range with my son today to sight in my new Aimpoint PRO for my recently aquired AR15. Also got some trigger time on my AK, which is always fun. My son is getting to be a darn good shot.

Posted by: Guzalot at March 24, 2019 07:36 PM (aJPGS)

10 Hi! I'm sending all my enemies copies of Hillary's "What Happened"

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at March 24, 2019 07:36 PM (ZqRa6)

11 Thanks Weasel!!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 24, 2019 07:35 PM (cqNba)
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Sure!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 07:36 PM (MVjcR)

12 Important question for the horde: 4" or 6" barrel on 686+ wheel gun (for plinking, not really home defense or carry).

Posted by: In Exile at March 24, 2019 07:37 PM (SDmIR)

13 Mark was in Chi-town all week and yesterday.

I missed range time with him. He's an amazing host and has taught me a LOT. I so appreciate his time and expertise.

I love, love LOVE the 1911.

But I need to get better on my .357 S&W revolver.

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 24, 2019 07:38 PM (PkVlr)

14 I have three benches. There isn't one square foot of uncluttered space on any of them.

Shameful.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 07:38 PM (xSo9G)

15 Yes! I took the youngest to the range Thursday. We put about 100 rounds downrange. M&P Shield, 9 mm. Had the range to ourselves. Very luxurious. Less than $25 to rent the lane. We brought our own ammo.

Posted by: Muad'dib at March 24, 2019 07:38 PM (ydNpi)

16 Went to the gun range with my son today to sight in my new Aimpoint PRO for my recently aquired AR15. Also got some trigger time on my AK, which is always fun. My son is getting to be a darn good shot.

Posted by: Guzalot at March 24, 2019 07:36 PM (aJPGS)
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Nice! I spent some time at the farm this past week doing some shooting - and took one of the AR's for plinking. Good time.

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 07:38 PM (MVjcR)

17 Sorry about the country singer. I would love to know more about that case.

That idiot FBI agent had an "accidental discharge" when he was break dancing, but the dropped the damn thing, he had one in the chamber, safety off.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 07:39 PM (w7KSn)

18 If Obama owned a gun it would be specially designed to not shoot the wrong person.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at March 24, 2019 07:39 PM (ZqRa6)

19 15 I have three benches. There isn't one square foot of uncluttered space on any of them.

Shameful.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 07:38 PM (xSo9G)

Hi Mike. I have hoarding tendencies, also.

Posted by: ALH at March 24, 2019 07:39 PM (8wKjk)

20 Full disclosure: I had just cleaned up and reorganized my bench before I took the pic. The next time I used it, I couldn't find a damn thing.

Posted by: RI Red - purveyor of Artisanal Ammo at March 24, 2019 07:40 PM (tVtan)

21 Important question for the horde: 4" or 6" barrel on 686+ wheel gun (for plinking, not really home defense or carry).

Posted by: In Exile at March 24, 2019 07:37 PM (SDmIR)
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Hard choice if you have to pick one. Maybe the 6"?

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 07:40 PM (MVjcR)

22 Finally had a chance to shoot the Ruger LCP II .380 I bought for my sister. It's fantastic, I'm buying one for myself.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at March 24, 2019 07:40 PM (rnXGe)

23 Gub thread!


"In the reloading world, accuracy is synonymous with consistency.."


Not only that, drop a load 100 fps or raise it, and a load can go from 2-3 MOA down to 1 MOA or less per rifle.

To do the same without reloading, you could be spending $20+ per box of 20 to find out that your rifle "does not like" that load.

It's all gravy in consistency and cost savings after that.


For preps, there is no cheaper way, short of stealing it.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 24, 2019 07:41 PM (t6MX/)

24 to sight in my new Aimpoint PRO
Posted by: Guzalot
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How do you like that, so far?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 07:41 PM (xSo9G)

25 Took possession of my boom stick on Wednesday.

Larue Tactical PredatOBR, 5.56, with a Trijicon Accupoint 1-6x on top.

Still hasn't been cleaned, scope still hasn't been mounted. I'm waiting to change out the flash hider, but i don't have the clamping system.

I may just deal with that later, if i can find somewhere to shoot.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 24, 2019 07:41 PM (vcatx)

26 I want a reload!

Posted by: Jerry Nadler at March 24, 2019 07:41 PM (aKsyK)

27 18 Sorry about the country singer. I would love to know more about that case.

That idiot FBI agent had an "accidental discharge" when he was break dancing, but the dropped the damn thing, he had one in the chamber, safety off.


Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 07:39 PM (w7KSn)
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How does a gun in your pocket go off by itself and hit you in the eye?

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 07:42 PM (MVjcR)

28 22 Important question for the horde: 4" or 6" barrel on 686+ wheel gun (for plinking, not really home defense or carry).

Posted by: In Exile at March 24, 2019 07:37 PM (SDmIR)
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Hard choice if you have to pick one. Maybe the 6"?
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 07:40 PM (MVjcR)

I'm sure that I'll eventually get another (when my wife isn't looking). I like the look and accuracy of the 6", but have heard 4" more practical.

Posted by: In Exile at March 24, 2019 07:42 PM (SDmIR)

29 28 I want a reload!
Posted by: Jerry Nadler at March 24, 2019 07:41 PM (aKsyK)

No. Nada. Zip. Rien.

Posted by: ALH at March 24, 2019 07:42 PM (8wKjk)

30 national emergency declaration or bend over and kiss your bullets good by!

Posted by: raimondo at March 24, 2019 07:41 PM (NQzZL)

No retards allowed on the gun thread.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 24, 2019 07:42 PM (t6MX/)

31 I reload primarily because I gravitate toward "strange" cartridges. You cant walk into your local Wal Mart and buy a box of 375 Raptor shells.

Posted by: WVinMN at March 24, 2019 07:43 PM (pV4s0)

32 Full disclosure: I had just cleaned up and reorganized my bench before I took the pic. The next time I used it, I couldn't find a damn thing.
Posted by: RI Red
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I feel better. Big of you to acknowledge that. Really, my basement is out of control. Something must be done.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 07:43 PM (xSo9G)

33 13 ... "Important question for the horde: 4" or 6" barrel on 686+ wheel gun (for plinking, not really home defense or carry)."

It's really a personal preference. I find a 6 inch barrel usually balances better for me. The difference in accuracy is minimal at best.

Posted by: JTB at March 24, 2019 07:43 PM (bmdz3)

34 Couple things. Will break them into separate comments to mitigate my trademark wall'o'text pathology.


First, yeah, gunzzz! Thanks Weasel!


Reloading. As Weasel noted, there are as many takes and angles on reloading as there are reloaders, probably.


I am the exception (and I know many, so not such an exception) to the rule "you won't save $$, you'll just shoot more". Quite the opposite. I started primarily to save $$, and I do, I shoot about the same, but more importantly: I actually do shooting I simply wouldn't do at all, or much, if I were paying factory ammo prices.


30-06 for M1 Garands. About 28 cents/round for me; about 70 cents/round commercial (surplus is mostly gone - and it wasn't much cheaper towards the end). 30 carbine, 45ACP - even at today's nicely lowered prices, I save at least 50% per round.


I can check the other boxes on Weasel's list, though: supply independent of political/market gyrations/panics (and CA laws, in my case), and customizable loads (mostly load low-end to mid-range charges, as all my shooting is practice and informal competition).

Posted by: rhomboid at March 24, 2019 07:44 PM (QDnY+)

35 13 Important question for the horde: 4" or 6" barrel on 686+ wheel gun (for plinking, not really home defense or carry).

Posted by: In Exile at March 24, 2019 07:37 PM (SDmIR)


I'd say 6", if you're not going to carry it concealed. You'll appreciate the extra weight and barrel length when shooting magnum loads.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at March 24, 2019 07:44 PM (bjCNA)

36 24...Just stop.

Posted by: WVinMN at March 24, 2019 07:44 PM (pV4s0)

37 I see Walther has brought the PPK/S back into production in .380. I am going to have to get one.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 24, 2019 07:44 PM (JUOKG)

38 Hi Mike. I have hoarding tendencies, also.
Posted by: ALH
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It's not hoarding! It's useful stuff, just waiting for the need to occur.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 07:45 PM (xSo9G)

39 39 I see Walther has brought the PPK/S back into production in .380. I am going to have to get one.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 24, 2019 07:44 PM (JUOKG)

Yes! About time

Posted by: In Exile at March 24, 2019 07:45 PM (SDmIR)

40 26 to sight in my new Aimpoint PRO
Posted by: Guzalot
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How do you like that, so far?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 07:41 PM (xSo9G)

Comp M4S being delivered Tuesday.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 24, 2019 07:45 PM (t6MX/)

41 Roll your own! I was thinking about a lathe and a Sten gun.

Posted by: Jean at March 24, 2019 07:46 PM (25Dt7)

42 Remember Terry Kath of "Chicago"?

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at March 24, 2019 07:46 PM (w7KSn)

43 Larue Tactical PredatOBR, 5.56, with a Trijicon Accupoint 1-6x on top.

Still hasn't been cleaned, scope still hasn't been mounted. I'm waiting to change out the flash hider, but i don't have the clamping system.

I may just deal with that later, if i can find somewhere to shoot.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at M



were you to have only one gun that would nearly be it.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 07:46 PM (MTjB1)

44 I'd say 6", if you're not going to carry it concealed. You'll appreciate the extra weight and barrel length when shooting magnum loads.
Posted by: Iowa Bob at March 24, 2019 07:44 PM (bjCNA)

Extra sight radius, too. I have a 6" GP100, and it is a pussycat with heavy loads.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 24, 2019 07:47 PM (t6MX/)

45 26 to sight in my new Aimpoint PRO
Posted by: Guzalot
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How do you like that, so far?

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Out of the box it was sighted really low and left. Aimpoint claims that they require very little adjustment out of the box but that wasn't the case with mine. Once I got it dialed in it was fine. We'll see how well it holds zero after a few more range visits but so far so good. I have an Aimpoint Micro T1 on my AK that I've had for a few years and it's great. Close to zero right out the box and I haven't had to adjust it since I zeroed it the first time. Battery life is awesome to, I just change it every January and it's never let me down.

Posted by: Guzalot at March 24, 2019 07:47 PM (aJPGS)

46 23 Finally had a chance to shoot the Ruger LCP II .380 I bought for my sister. It's fantastic, I'm buying one for myself.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at March 24, 2019 07:40 PM (rnXGe)


Have you looked at the Ruger LC9? It's similar to the LCP, but fits my hands better. I looked at the LCP, but it seemed too small for my oversize mutant hands. I wound up buying the LC9 and really like it. Better fit and 9mm vs .380.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at March 24, 2019 07:47 PM (bjCNA)

47 As a non gun owner, as someone who is kinda scared of guns, I have never lusted over a gun more then I Just did over that Mossberg (SP?) I need that gun. I will have that gun.

Posted by: Max Power at March 24, 2019 07:47 PM (QCc6B)

48 43 Roll your own! I was thinking about a lathe and a Sten gun.
Posted by: Jean at March 24, 2019 07:46 PM (25Dt7)

WRSA had a link to plans a few days back.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 24, 2019 07:48 PM (t6MX/)

49 Posted by: rhomboid at March 24, 2019 07:44 PM (QDnY+)
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I tried to spin the money saving angle a little!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 07:48 PM (MVjcR)

50 49...

To each his own, but outside of pump shotguns, I'd stay away from a Mossberg.

Posted by: WVinMN at March 24, 2019 07:49 PM (pV4s0)

51 Weasel hits all the high points, of course.
Earlier in my life I sort of considered reloaders as odd ducks. Nevertheless, I saved all my brass over about ten years just in case I decided to make the leap.
When I started about five years ago, it was strictly to reuse all that brass. Then I started to notice that my guns liked different powders and loads, so I started going from quantity to quality.
I plateaued for a bit until Weasel said in a comment here that the next step was seating depth. Wha???
Yep, there's a lot more to reloading if you want to get into it.
Have to say it's my happiest hobby. And I don't swear when I'm doing it. Unlike golf.

Posted by: RI Red - purveyor of Artisanal Ammo at March 24, 2019 07:49 PM (tVtan)

52 someone who is kinda scared of guns, I have never lusted over a gun more then I Just did over that Mossberg (SP?) I need that gun. I will have that gun.
Posted by: Max Power at M




go hold the sig 226 and you will be over the mossberg. likely to put you off of bat waxing too since nothing else will ever feel as good in your hand.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 07:50 PM (MTjB1)

53 The AR I had out this week has a Trijicon ACOG optic. I'd forgotten how nice it is.

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 07:50 PM (MVjcR)

54 54 >>

Posted by: raimondo at March 24, 2019 07:50 PM (NQzZL)


Can someone flush this turd?

Posted by: Iowa Bob at March 24, 2019 07:51 PM (bjCNA)

55 @54

Ace, COB, the time for banning has come.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 24, 2019 07:51 PM (t6MX/)

56 Why is "raimondo" permitted to continue posting here? See Post 54.

Posted by: WVinMN at March 24, 2019 07:52 PM (pV4s0)

57 As a non gun owner, as someone who is kinda scared of guns, I have never lusted over a gun more then I Just did over that Mossberg (SP?) I need that gun. I will have that gun.
Posted by: Max Power at March 24, 2019 07:47 PM (QCc6B)


Wait a bit for the initial reports, I think. See how it shakes out for everyone. Also, the review says "the gun is fully dehorned for snag-free manipulation", which I think is a cruel thing to do to a gun.

In the mean time, look at used Kahrs, because it kind of reminds me of that. Then see what the first round of owners (not reviewers) say about it.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 24, 2019 07:52 PM (t+qrx)

58 kind of weak tea to get the banhammer out.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 07:52 PM (MTjB1)

59 That idiot FBI agent had an "accidental discharge" when he was break dancing, but the dropped the damn thing, he had one in the chamber, safety off.

I could be mistaken (yeah, I should just include that in my nic because it's pretty much always true) but I think the Feebie's gun didn't go off when it hit the floor. It went off when he grabbed it and hit the trigger.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at March 24, 2019 07:52 PM (NYgVq)

60 Fox news just noting that there's no comment about the Mueller report from Moscow or Putin.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at March 24, 2019 07:53 PM (ZqRa6)

61 Firearms News had a review of the Inland GI 1911A1. Looks sweet. Reviewer was getting 15" groups at 300 yards from a Ransom Rest. From a 1911A1. Why you would want to shoot it that far wasn't clear, but pretty cool.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at March 24, 2019 07:53 PM (wZ9cV)

62 pew
pew pew pew

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 24, 2019 07:54 PM (dm05u)

63 Given that this week's gun thread is all about reloading, let me offer the short version of a long story.....

I reload on a Dillon 450B Progressive (No. Not that "progressive") press. At one of my reloading sessions, the phone must have rang, or my wife needed me or something, and I got distracted from what I was doing.

The end result, as I later found out, was that I double-charged a round. I found this out at an IDPA match when my Glock 23 essentially blew up. Thankfully, God was watching over me that day, and neither I or anyone else around me was injured. But my Glock needed a new extractor, slide release (both had been blown off the gun) and a new barrel to replace the one that I had cracked.

Mrs. Action Jackson (rightly) blew a gasket and read me The Riot Act. So ever since then I separate my brass by brand (they all weigh a little differently), I weigh each round I produce, and I mark my new rounds with a colored Sharpie (so I know the difference between something I've made and "Range Brass"). Anything more than a little off of what I'm expecting gets pulled and set aside for another reloading session.

Posted by: Action Jackson is my name. Bold Adventure is my game. at March 24, 2019 07:54 PM (k3N6G)

64 News had a review of the Inland GI 1911A1. Looks sweet. Reviewer was getting 15" groups at 300 yards from a Ransom Rest. From a 1911A1. Why you would want to shoot it that far wasn't clear, but pretty cool.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at M



guessing that trying to concealed carry the rest is hard.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 07:54 PM (MTjB1)

65 "Fox news just noting that there's no comment about the Mueller report from Moscow or Putin."

Putin probably got a hernia from laughing at us, and is being treated for that.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at March 24, 2019 07:54 PM (Jst9l)

66 raimondo doesn't get the hammer because of what he's done in here, but because of a longstanding pattern of being a twat.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at March 24, 2019 07:55 PM (Jst9l)

67 kind of weak tea to get the banhammer out.
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 07:52 PM (MTjB1)


I have about 12k of that dickbag's useless comments and a 4th-order Markov chain generator, let me know if you want it to churn out some random crap that's indistinguishable from his uncontrolled micturations.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 24, 2019 07:55 PM (t+qrx)

68 reagan starred in a western where he cleaned up a lawless town by confiscating everyone's guns.

(i think that was the story.)

(actually there are historic instances of that happening.)

(i think.)

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 24, 2019 07:56 PM (Pg+x7)

69 Last week on duty day at the range, I shot 80 rounds of 30-06 through an M1. That's some cash if I were shooting commercial, or even surplus bought in the last 5 years. With my reloads, about $25, maybe.


Have a pile of 54R spam cans, bought very cheap a few years back. I shoot that stuff like it's 22LR out of my Mosins, cost simply not a consideration. Only caliber I don't reload - yet. When it runs out, probably.


Posted by: rhomboid at March 24, 2019 07:56 PM (QDnY+)

70 Posted by: Action Jackson is my name. Bold Adventure is my game. at March 24, 2019 07:54 PM (k3N6G)

Glad you are OK. I sold my progressive and only load single stage.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 24, 2019 07:56 PM (t6MX/)

71 I know we're not supposed to engage the trolls, but re: #54 - did she really say that to Bernie Sanders?

Posted by: josephistan at March 24, 2019 07:56 PM (Izzlo)

72 Weasel, did you find a clay pigeon thrower?

Posted by: Ben Had at March 24, 2019 07:57 PM (UWekm)

73 Poor trolls. Theyve had a very rough few months, what with our president NOT being a Russian spy and the economy booming and unemployment at 50 year lows...

The basement must seem extra damp, dreary, and lonely.

Posted by: LASue at March 24, 2019 07:57 PM (XROPS)

74 I'm sure that I'll eventually get another (when my
wife isn't looking). I like the look and accuracy of the 6", but have
heard 4" more practical.

Posted by: In Exile at March 24, 2019 07:42 PM (SDmIR)

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The 4" is not practical at all. It's too large and heavy to carry concealed, and doesn't give you the accuracy of a full 6".

It's purpose is to be a duty pistol for uniformed officers.

I had the same decision to make many years ago regarding my Colt and I am soooo glad I went for the extra couple of inches. Accurate to a fault, smooth to shoot with regular ammo and not too bad with Magnums.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at March 24, 2019 07:57 PM (cfSRQ)

75 useless comments and a 4th-order Markov chain generator, let me know if you want it to churn out some random crap that's indistinguishable from his uncontrolled micturations.
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Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 07:57 PM (MTjB1)

76 A guy I buy weird ammo from (6.5 Carcano, 6.5 Jap, etc.) is a long range shooter and he said most commercial ammo won't give you the accuracy & precision out past 600 yards.

He said hand loading is the only way to go for those 1000 yard distances.

I told him after 600 yards I am gonna call in the 60mm mortars.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 24, 2019 07:57 PM (Z+IKu)

77 Weasel, That was a great summation of why to reload!

I'll add a couple more. When ammo and components were scarce a few years ago, including 22lr, I could load 38 special WCs for less than the cost of 22s. Of course that was based on decades of scrounging brass, casting the bullets from wheel weights I got for free and using a light powder charge.

The second is loading for less common commercial cartridges: 6.5x55 Swede, .303 British even 22 Hornet and 32 long. Build up your supply of components over time.

I've mentioned before that I have supplies that will let me reload for years if need be.

Posted by: JTB at March 24, 2019 07:58 PM (bmdz3)

78 71 I know we're not supposed to engage the trolls, but re: #54 - did she really say that to Bernie Sanders?
Posted by: josephistan at March 24, 2019 07:56 PM (Izzlo)

Ah. Now I understand what was being said. What a moron, and not in a good way.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 24, 2019 07:58 PM (t6MX/)

79 ... but then again, there are instances like the northville raid where the james/younger gang tried to rob the bank of northville and the armed townsmen stopped them.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 24, 2019 07:59 PM (Pg+x7)

80 I could be mistaken (yeah, I should just include that in my nic because it's pretty much always true) but I think the Feebie's gun didn't go off when it hit the floor. It went off when he grabbed it and hit the trigger.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at March 24, 2019 07:52 PM (NYgVq)

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Yeah, seems he grabbed a falling gun, something even I was taught to never do.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 07:59 PM (ffYR/)

81 72 Weasel, did you find a clay pigeon thrower?

Posted by: Ben Had at March 24, 2019 07:57 PM (UWekm)
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I received several great suggestions for them, but I haven't bought one yet!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 07:59 PM (MVjcR)

82 As for reloading, I simply don't have the time.

Though I'm not selling a ton of books, I do enjoy the time I get to write. If I had to reload, I would lose that time.

I also barely get a chance to shoot as it is. Adding even more prep time to that activity would pretty much kill shooting as a hobby for me.

Time is money and right now I'm willing to spend money to get more time.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at March 24, 2019 07:59 PM (cfSRQ)

83 36 I started reloading for the same reasons. My first AR build was a "retard round" as a friend of mine put it: 6.5 Grendel. $24/box 20 made me damn near choke, so it was an easy decision. On top of that, I already had a great deal of the setup from the 40s&w I was already reloading, so it wasn't that much more.

But it's a sickness, I tell you. Like collecting guns, I'm starting to collect dies. .223 was next. Just picked up a Taurus PT1911 in .45, so that's next. Probably 9 after that for the wife's gun, but she doesn't shoot much, so that'll be a wash. Honestly, I primarily do it because I enjoy it. It's rather cathartic to be able to assemble something usable from just a pile of parts. And then slam those somethings into other things at very high rates of speed.

For those who think you'll save money by reloading, in my experience, you're only going to do that in rifle ammo, or some of the more obscure handgun calibers. By reclaiming brass for my Grendel, I'm at around $0.30/rd, but on the .40, I'm barely making a couple of pennies. Admittedly, part of that is my loyalty to Hornady after they told several state agencies to go pound sand. They're not the cheapest, but they're fighting the good fight, and I intend to support them in it.

As for the accuracy, I'll definitely put a vote in for that. Using my hand loads for the .40, my groups instantly got better, even in the same range trip.

For the scarcity of ammo... I can always get into casting next, I just need molds, a crucible, and lead bars. At least the govt hasn't banned lead... yet.

And I know 6.5 Grendel is a dumb round, but she's still a lot of fun to shoot. And since she was my first, she'll always have a special place in my cold, black, gun-loving heart!

Posted by: Ninjafluff at March 24, 2019 07:59 PM (yBZ7A)

84 I see Walther has brought the PPK/S back into production in .380. I am going to have to get one.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 24, 2019 07:44 PM (JUOKG)

I just sold mine a few months ago. Years ago, it was my carry gun, but had been collecting dust for too long.

Posted by: iron308 at March 24, 2019 07:59 PM (hW/ap)

85 ike the northville raid where the james/younger gang tried to rob the bank of northville and the armed townsmen stopped them.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at M




northfield

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 07:59 PM (MTjB1)

86 Others and myself have mentioned, and Weasel has endorsed, a website here before called The High Road. Want to recommend it again for gun nutz, and also for reloaders/prospective reloaders. The reloading sub-forum is a great resource - I lurked there, then interacted to get problems solved drawing on the knowledge of the members, quite a bit when I was starting. Still go there for new info and crowd-sourcing answers.


Two threads to look up there. One is called something like "Online thread of reloading wisdom" - just a long compendium of a zillion little tricks reloaders have developed to save $ and get results. Another one - and RI Red's photo reminds me of it - is a thread of people's pics of their reloading benches/rooms etc. Fantastic.


Still remember my favorite. Some guy who lives on some land. His reloading room has a window right next to the bench - which looks out onto a private range with 100/200/300 yd targets. He just wheels over from the bench to shoot his test loads. Now THAT is livin' large for a gun nut!

Posted by: rhomboid at March 24, 2019 08:00 PM (QDnY+)

87 Anybody see the latest American Rifleman article about the Remington 700 chassis rifle? I think I have a new craving. Also, semi-relating to scary-looking chassis rifles, Insty had this today: https://pjmedia.com/ instapundit/325393/ (delete space after com/).

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at March 24, 2019 08:00 PM (NYgVq)

88 The 4" is not practical at all. It's too large and heavy to carry concealed, and doesn't give you the accuracy of a full 6".

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Piker.

Posted by: Peter North at March 24, 2019 08:00 PM (Izzlo)

89 northfield. um yes. thank you.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 24, 2019 08:01 PM (Pg+x7)

90 53 The AR I had out this week has a Trijicon ACOG optic. I'd forgotten how nice it is.
Posted by: Weasel

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I want! Sadly a $1000+ scope wasn't in the budget. Maybe next year.

Posted by: Guzalot at March 24, 2019 08:01 PM (aJPGS)

91 A guy I buy weird ammo from (6.5 Carcano, 6.5 Jap, etc.) is a long range shooter and he said most commercial ammo won't give you the accuracy & precision out past 600 yards.

He said hand loading is the only way to go for those 1000 yard distances.

I told him after 600 yards I am gonna call in the 60mm mortars.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 24, 2019 07:57 PM (Z+IKu)
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Absolutely correct. I wouldn't shoot commercial ammo even at mid-range unless I was just goofing around. There is simply no way it can compete with handloads.

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 08:01 PM (MVjcR)

92 69....

Did you happen to purchase your M1 from the CMP? The manual they ship with their rifles spends two pages comparing reloaders to deviants somewhere to between Evil Knievel and the cast of Jack Ass on the crazy scale.

Posted by: WVinMN at March 24, 2019 08:02 PM (pV4s0)

93 Isn't that same firearm that is on the cover of American Rifleman this month?

Posted by: Infidel at March 24, 2019 08:03 PM (9L2du)

94 yes. thank you.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at M



have had the misfortune to be there. the holes in the wall, from the bullets, are circled. now they are famous for making malt-o-meal.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 08:03 PM (MTjB1)

95 I never understood the ".22 shortage" of the Obama years.

It almost looked like collusion to me, like a few of the major ammo manufacturers just decided they would limit supply.

How on Earth can you not ramp up .22 production after several years?

Posted by: Blago at March 24, 2019 08:03 PM (UfkIY)

96 I agree with pretty much everything that's already been said here about shooting more rather than saving money by reloading, being able to produce more consistent and more accurate ammo, and being able to load oddball calibers a lot cheaper than buying.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at March 24, 2019 08:04 PM (bjCNA)

97 Lounging in a hospital bed waiting for surgery tomorrow to determine how much (if any) use I will have of my left arm. Pro tip; If bungee jumping from your roof, remember to use a bungee.
Anyway, looking at the Bergara B14 in 6.5 CM to take my mind off current events. My long range experience is years out of date, and limited to match grade M1A's in 7.62. Anyone have experience of either the rifle or the round?

Posted by: Oldradartech at March 24, 2019 08:04 PM (O9VXo)

98 Action Jackson, yeah, distractions are a killer. And dumbshititis, too. See earlier posts re magnum pistol primers in non-magnum rounds.
I just try to be completely methodical - no changes in reloading routine. Everything placed exactly the same, no variations in procedure.
And when in doubt, read the f'ing instructions!

Posted by: RI Red - purveyorof Artisanal Ammo at March 24, 2019 08:05 PM (tVtan)

99 Danggit, gotta run, but a last reloading bit: for those seriously thinking about it, start 1) saving all your brass 2) start a watch on local/regional gun forums where reloading equipment and supplies are offered for sale, used, by individuals.


I have purchased most of my set-up that way, with an average savings of 50% over new. And most reloading equipment is built to industrial standards, it will outlive all of us if cared for properly. Oh - and it's the only consumer industry I have experience with whose default response to any problems seems to be ..... send you a brand-new unit, free. This has happened with multiple companies on things from dies to scales, for me.


Reloading can be a great scrounging game. Buy equipment used, components locally from individuals, and you can find your costs approaching ridiculously low levels (esp. compared to buying factory ammo).

Posted by: rhomboid at March 24, 2019 08:05 PM (QDnY+)

100 Isn't that same firearm that is on the cover of American Rifleman this month?

Posted by: Infidel at March 24, 2019 08:03 PM (9L2du)
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yep!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 08:05 PM (MVjcR)

101 And now the latest installment of the Webley Chronicles...

Yesterday I went out to the range to compare the result of my Colt King Cobra and the Webley. Both have the same barrel length and I used .38 special in the Colt. Targets were at 25 yards.

As expected, the Colt dominated. I mean seriously dominated. I've made up my mind that I'm going to use bigger targets for the Webley because I'm not even sure where the rounds were going. I think there is a tendency to shoot to the right, but I'm not certain and a larger piece of paper will tell me this.

For all that, the Webley is fun to shoot. Satisfying little snap when those 455s go off. I'm still using some modified clips that only let me load three rounds at a time, but I'm looking at alternatives to spending big money on buying a non-shaved cylinder.

My youngest daughter came with me and managed to get a bullseye with the .22 Mosquito, so that was nice. She was very happy.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at March 24, 2019 08:05 PM (cfSRQ)

102 go hold the sig 226 and you will be over the mossberg. likely to put you off of bat waxing too since nothing else will ever feel as good in your hand.
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 07:50 PM (MTjB1)

Or the SIG 220 for bigger hands. Both the 220 and 226 seem to point so naturally.

Posted by: iron308 at March 24, 2019 08:05 PM (hW/ap)

103 Weasel, a week ago I did the paperwork on an Uberti reproduction of a Winchester 1866 Yellow Boy/45 Colt/Short Rifle (20"). Like new, barely fired. About 60% of current market price. I'm fairly excited about this.


First platform in 45LC. Mostly for kicks. Will probably use it in silhouette matches at the club where I RO.


Beautiful piece of industrial art. The wood, the brass, the finish. Yum.


My first such purchase.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 24, 2019 08:07 PM (QDnY+)

104 Posted by: Oldradartech at March 24, 2019 08:04 PM (O9VXo)
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Sorry - can't help you with your question, but good luck with the arm!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 08:07 PM (MVjcR)

105 +1 on the "The High Road" recommendation. Lots of good info there.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at March 24, 2019 08:07 PM (bjCNA)

106 When I start reloading, it will not be due to economics, more than likely, Instead, I will probably join the madness known as "chasing the perfect load for my rifle."

And, just about the time I get things dialed in, time for a new rifle!

Shot a High Power match yesterday. More fun than I should be allowed to have.

Posted by: Blake - used vacation salesman at March 24, 2019 08:08 PM (WEBkv)

107 Oldradartech

Well, shit. Prayers for a positive outcome. That was always my fear while roofing. Still not as bad as the drywaller that rode the crossbar down 3 layers of scaffolding and tore his nose off his face. I had nightmares for years. Always put the pins in.

Posted by: Infidel at March 24, 2019 08:08 PM (9L2du)

108 Reloading can be a great scrounging game. Buy equipment used, components locally from individuals, and you can find your costs approaching ridiculously low levels (esp. compared to buying factory ammo).
Posted by: rhomboid at March 24, 2019 08:05 PM (QDnY+)


Yeah, my best score has been an MEC Sizemaster with adjustable charge bar, books, and components for $80. Could have snagged an Ohaus/RCBS 1010 scale for about $30, but I passed that up. Still kicking myself for that one.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 24, 2019 08:09 PM (t6MX/)

109 How on Earth can you not ramp up .22 production after several years?

Posted by: Blago at March 24, 2019 08:03 PM (UfkIY)

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My understanding was that the sudden surge of ARs chambered in .22 shifted the demand curve and the manufacturers were caught flat-footed.

I recall seeing an article back in the day about. Normal practice to surging demand is to add another shift and they were hesitant to build a new plant because of all the capital investment. If it was a bubble caused by panic-buying, the company would take a major financial hit.

As it continued on, that's when they decided that the shift in demand was long-term and so now prices are normal again.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at March 24, 2019 08:09 PM (cfSRQ)

110 Yankee: that was my thinking exactly. This might be it for me. If it is, buy once, cry once.

This weapon will out shoot me for years.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 24, 2019 08:09 PM (vcatx)

111 Posted by: rhomboid at March 24, 2019 08:07 PM (QDnY+)
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Going to need pics when you get it!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 08:09 PM (MVjcR)

112 yankeefifth:

actually dated a woman who went to college there. that was the first i'd heard of the north field raid.

she was from nyc and i think her parents thought it was a good idea for her to get as far away as possible from ny,ny land.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 24, 2019 08:10 PM (Pg+x7)

113 What the Hell? A Mossberg 9mm?

Kimber making long guns!

1911s in 9mm!

Dogs and cats living together!

The world is coming to an end!

EIEIEIEIEIEIEIEIEIEEIEIEIEIE! goes running off like a global warmest

Posted by: Georgie Patton at March 24, 2019 08:10 PM (MwFQu)

114 97....

I recently built a LR-308 (AR-10) rifle chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor. I've only shot the rifle out to 200 yards, and it easily prints within 1 MOA. The recoil's easily manageable (even less than a comparable 30 and the cartridge is becoming widely available.

Posted by: WVinMN at March 24, 2019 08:10 PM (pV4s0)

115 Chesterfields were what we got in C-Rats, no? 4 in a pack.

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 08:11 PM (K22Va)

116 there. that was the first i'd heard of the north field raid.

she was from nyc and i think her parents thought it was a good idea for her to get as far away as possible from ny,ny land.
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was it carleton?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 08:12 PM (MTjB1)

117 yes. carleton. that was it.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 24, 2019 08:13 PM (Pg+x7)

118 My understanding was that the sudden surge of ARs chambered in .22 shifted the demand curve and the manufacturers were caught flat-footed.

I recall seeing an article back in the day about. Normal practice to surging demand is to add another shift and they were hesitant to build a new plant because of all the capital investment. If it was a bubble caused by panic-buying, the company would take a major financial hit.

As it continued on, that's when they decided that the shift in demand was long-term and so now prices are normal again.
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd

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I'm sure that's part of it, but still, what % of ARs were shooting rimfire ammo? Maybe 10%? And what % of total 22 rifles would that be? Maybe1%?

I just know I had a brick of 22 ammo from like the early 2000s with the price still on it. Like $7. Now it's like $50.

I looked up the price of lead and brass over a few years, and it still doesn't explain the explosion in price.

Someone is making good money.

Posted by: Blago at March 24, 2019 08:15 PM (UfkIY)

119 ... let me guess, it's a very liberal liberal arts college.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 24, 2019 08:15 PM (Pg+x7)

120 no cigs by the time i was being handed C-rats...

yet they still had Ham and Mothers in them.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 24, 2019 08:15 PM (rf8q9)

121 Let me add another point with regard to reloading: Cleaning your used brass.

I started out with a Vibratory Case Cleaner (Lyman, if I remember right). It was OK, but it made a fair amount of dust and took a while to get the brass clean. I reload in my garage, so the dust wasn't a big problem, but I was never quite happy with the results.

And then I stumbled along to wet cleaning. Basically you tumble your brass in soapy water along with these little stainless steel pins. My kids were into rock tumbling years ago and I already had the tumbler, so the only thing I needed additionally was the pins. The results were fantastic. The brass looks brand new--even the primer pockets, there is no dust involved, and it is quicker than using the vibratory method.

Posted by: Action Jackson is my name. Bold Adventure is my game. at March 24, 2019 08:16 PM (k3N6G)

122 Re: buying reloading components, my strategy is to buy powder and primers locally, mostly at gun shows, and bullets mostly mail order. Shipping powder and primers incurs hazard material charges that usually wipe out any savings over higher local prices.

There's a guy who sells reloading components at the Des Moines gun shows and has powder and primer prices that are close to the big mail order places, with no hazmat fee. That's where I mostly shop.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at March 24, 2019 08:16 PM (bjCNA)

123 yet they still had Ham and Mothers in them.

What were ham and mothers?

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 08:17 PM (K22Va)

124 FYI - Brownells has had weekly 10% off site-wide discounts for the past month or more. One day only, typically Sundays, but it was Saturday this weekend. And the deal usually includes free shipping. TBD if they'll continue this, but consider signing-up for Brownells email notices if you haven't.

Posted by: Gref at March 24, 2019 08:17 PM (AMIL/)

125 northfield has two colleges, stolaf and carletn.

stolaf manufactures "solid citizens" while calretn, which is rated higher, is the fallback school for lots of kids from out east.

don't send you kids to either.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 08:18 PM (MTjB1)

126 Chesterfields were what we got in C-Rats, no? 4 in a pack.





Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 08:11 PM

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Raleighs, Lucky Stirkes and Camels were in there too IIRC.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 24, 2019 08:18 PM (JUOKG)

127 Had a nice surprise this week. My birthday is this month, something that MidwayUSA knows. I looked up Bl*zer 22 ammo and they were offering a great sale price, 6 dollars off a brick and free shipping. I've got 5,000 rounds of their 22lr coming in a few days. With what I already have on hand, I shouldn't have to buy 22s for years.

Considering the Bl*zer 22s are already inexpensive, this was a great deal.

The more I shoot that ammo, the better I like it.

Posted by: JTB at March 24, 2019 08:19 PM (bmdz3)

128 If I actually pull the trigger on this idea, I will definitely handload the 6.5. I've read a couple reviews that claimed 1/5" moa groups with handloads...

Thanks for the prayers. Arm has been busted 5 days now, because there's nothing left to set. Looking forward to the surgery and the go go gadget elbow.

Posted by: Oldradartech at March 24, 2019 08:19 PM (O9VXo)

129 I'm sure that's part of it, but still, what % of ARs
were shooting rimfire ammo? Maybe 10%? And what % of total 22 rifles
would that be? Maybe1%?


Posted by: Blago at March 24, 2019 08:15 PM (UfkIY)

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A sustained shift in demand will cause a shortage. It doesn't even have to be by much - just enough to exceed existing capacity. Talking to gun shops, that was what was happening.

Also remember women have been getting into shooting like never before and they like smaller calibers. .22 used to be a plinking/small game round and now people were buying it in bulk and feeding it through ARs.

As I said, I recall one of the manufacturers saying they were going to have to build more machinery, and that also took time.

But the price is falling as production aligns again with demand.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at March 24, 2019 08:20 PM (cfSRQ)

130 On the economics side, RI Redson and I went out back two days ago (45 degrees and a day before six inches of global warming) to shoot .40 SandW and 9 mm. No thought to how much we shot, and it would have been a hundred bucks over the counter. I just had on hand a bunch made up over the cold winter nights. Nice feeling.

Posted by: RI Red - purveyorof Artisanal Ammo at March 24, 2019 08:21 PM (tVtan)

131 Juan doesn't think anyone can tell he just came from the bar.

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 08:22 PM (K22Va)

132 130 Let me say it again, James Comey will be proven to be a good guy.
And Fox News is a joke.

Posted by: Joe Walker at March 24, 2019 08:21 PM (S+i5q)


Rainman? Is that you? Your mom's calling, go take the trash out.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at March 24, 2019 08:23 PM (bjCNA)

133 happy birthday JTB!

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 24, 2019 08:23 PM (dm05u)

134 130 Let me say it again, James Comey will be proven to be a good guy.
And Fox News is a joke.


Posted by: Joe Walker at March 24, 2019 08:21 PM (S+i5q)
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Anything to add to the gun thread?

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 08:23 PM (MVjcR)

135 Someone is making good money.
Posted by: Blago at March 24, 2019 08:15 PM (UfkIY)

People were hoarding. Same as ARs. I made about 40% on a pre-obama AR, before the ass fell out of the market.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 24, 2019 08:23 PM (t6MX/)

136 Let me say it again...
Posted by: Joe Walker at March 24, 2019 08:21 PM (S+i5q)


So you're going to spam off-topic talking-points on every thread?

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at March 24, 2019 08:24 PM (Jst9l)

137 So what's the body count aftermath of the Mueller announcement?

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 24, 2019 08:24 PM (RJHwk)

138 I used to smoke Chesterfields, for a short time.. I do remember how good they tasted.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 24, 2019 08:25 PM (438dO)

139 So what's the body count aftermath of the Mueller announcement?
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 24, 2019 08:24 PM (RJHwk)


*looks down, wiggles fingers, toes*

Still just the one.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 24, 2019 08:25 PM (t+qrx)

140 Anything to add to the gun thread?
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 08:23 PM


I think he's going for comic relief.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 24, 2019 08:25 PM (5ETig)

141 Fuck you


Posted by: Joe Walker at March 24, 2019 08:25 PM (S+i5q)
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Sorry - not what I had in mind.

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 08:26 PM (MVjcR)

142 140 Fuck you

Posted by: Joe Walker at March 24, 2019 08:25 PM (S+i5q)


Finally. A troll with something intelligent to say.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at March 24, 2019 08:26 PM (bjCNA)

143 If that is a comic act, bring on Joy Behar...

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 24, 2019 08:26 PM (RJHwk)

144 Mr. Walker is looking for the banhammer. Here's hoping someone obliges.

Posted by: Blake - used vacation salesman at March 24, 2019 08:26 PM (WEBkv)

145 y5: interesting. will bear in mind. i don't have a kid going to college and, given events of the past decade or so, would not like to have to find one.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 24, 2019 08:26 PM (Pg+x7)

146 I have a trophy wife. She reloads, pistol, rifle and shotgun.

The peculiar thing is, during range time to sample the rounds, the only qualifying issues are recoil, flash and general "feel".

As an engineer, I want to know the velocities (pressure would be nice, but don't have a rig for that).

We are members of a local rifle club so we can come and go as we please and set up chronos without taking the whole line down as would happen at public ranges to dial in the distance and angle for traditional screens.

So what is a good, accurate-enough and universal (can be used with handgun and rifle) rig that can measure velocity?

I have heard of rigs that attach at the muzzle and those seem easier to use than setting up screens, particularly in TX sun (I think screens prefer overcast skies).

What experience do y'all have in order to make recommendations on a chrono?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at March 24, 2019 08:27 PM (lD3vL)

147 Wait... one? There really is one?

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 24, 2019 08:27 PM (RJHwk)

148 Posted by: Joe Walker at March 24, 2019 08:25 PM (S+i5q)

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Buh bye, troll.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 08:27 PM (ffYR/)

149 Thanks for the reloading discussion again Weasel!!

Yes, I did make it to the range Friday. Took out a couple .22's I hadn't shot yet - Savage .22lr rifle and Mossberg 702 Plinker aka Tactical 22. Looks like an AR.

Decided to try the 30 yard range because a) I'd be all by myself, thus able to check my target anytime I wanted, and b) I figured hey, with no kick to these guns I oughta be pretty accurate even though it's my first time at this distance.

As is often the case, I thought wrong. First grouping with the Savage was downright crappy. My downtrodden expression even got the range officer giggling. Wasn't much better with the Mossberg, my sighting in skills are poor at best right now, but by the end I might have been making a little progress. Up and to the left seems to be the theme with most everything I shoot.

But hey, it was a fun, relaxing couple of hours on a beautiful day. Will probably take them both out again this Friday too, along with the .40cal carbine I haven't shot yet.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - 14,500 and counting at March 24, 2019 08:27 PM (y0qiU)

150 I used to smoke Chesterfields, for a short time.. I do remember how good they tasted.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 24, 2019 08:25 PM (438dO)


Were those the 'toasted' ones, or were those Luckies? I had a girlfriend in college who smoked one or the other.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 24, 2019 08:27 PM (t+qrx)

151 Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at March 24, 2019 08:27 PM (lD3vL)
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Tune in next week. I have a couple - a MagnetoSpeed and a LabRadar.

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 08:28 PM (MVjcR)

152
Posted by: Joe Walker at March 24, 2019 08:25 PM (S+i5q)
Not a healthy attitude around here.

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 08:28 PM (K22Va)

153 Wait... one? There really is one?
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 24, 2019 08:27 PM (RJHwk)


Well how many do you have?

Posted by: hogmartin at March 24, 2019 08:29 PM (t+qrx)

154 The results were fantastic. The brass looks brand new--even the primer pockets, there is no dust involved, and it is quicker than using the vibratory method.
Posted by: Action Jackson is my name. Bold Adventure is my game. at March 24, 2019 08:16 PM (k3N6G)

+1 on the steel pins.

My next will be an ultrasonic cleaner, which can be used on small parts like carbs.


I started out wet cleaning, with just a jug, an NRA recipe, and shaking. It was effective enough to start out cheap.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 24, 2019 08:29 PM (t6MX/)

155 Luckies were toasted. They were also Mighty Fine Tobacco.

I used to love rolling Drum.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2019 08:29 PM (fuK7c)

156 147 Wait... one? There really is one?
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 24, 2019 08:27 PM (RJHwk)

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I think the Hillary guy, Seth Rich, who was gunned down counts.

Posted by: Blake - used vacation salesman at March 24, 2019 08:29 PM (WEBkv)

157 Were those the 'toasted' ones, or were those Luckies? I had a girlfriend in college who smoked one or the other.

Luckies I think. Lucky Strikes Means Fine Tobbcco. LSMFT it's toasted.

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 08:30 PM (K22Va)

158 Yes! I took the youngest to the range Thursday. We put about 100 rounds downrange. M&P Shield, 9 mm. Had the range to ourselves. Very luxurious. Less than $25 to rent the lane. We brought our own ammo.

Posted by: Muad'dib at March 24, 2019 07:38 PM (ydNpi)

Love my M&P Shield 9mm.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - 14,500 and counting at March 24, 2019 08:30 PM (y0qiU)

159 I used to love rolling Drum.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2019 08:29 PM (fuK7c)


I liked the smell but I was terrible at rolling them.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 24, 2019 08:30 PM (t+qrx)

160 What I like about reloads is that I can go out to some crappy ranges and blast away with slut brass and not care so much about not being able to recover the brass.

Sort of like firing cheap non reloadable factory rounds, can enjoy just shooting and not shooting and wandering around trying to police the spent casings.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at March 24, 2019 08:30 PM (lD3vL)

161 So what's the body count aftermath of the Mueller announcement?


Posted by: Anna Puma.........
Zero!
The pivot has already begun!
MSM -

We TOLD you there was Russian involvement!
Congress -
Just because Mueller did not find enough evidence to charge Trump and his whole "fundamentally guilty" (a phrase I found on Twitter this weekend) family - including Ivanka, Jared and Donald Jr. only means he did not dig deepe enough. WE will!
Matt Dowd - This is just the beginning, not the end..
blah.. blah.. blah..
This shit will never end..
PDT is right to come out forcefully.. ALL Republicans need to call for and of this shit - forcefully. Drop it!
Do NOT co-operate with any new investigations. refer them to the Mueller investigation for evidence and let them argue in courts for 10 years to get protected Grand Jury testimony. Fuck 'em. WAR



Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 24, 2019 08:30 PM (438dO)

162 I'm in the market for a Grand Power 10mm, Buds and other places are out of them. I love the rotating barrel because it calms down the recoil and out of all the 9mms taken to the range, everyone gravitates to the Grand Power because it is accurate and mild.

Has something evil happened to the importer?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at March 24, 2019 08:32 PM (lD3vL)

163 rhomboid mentioned The High Road as an excellent forum. I've belonged to it for years. Another great forum is Cast Boolits. If you shoot cast this site covers it all. It's easy to get lost on it going from one topic to another.

Posted by: JTB at March 24, 2019 08:33 PM (bmdz3)

164 Smithing question.


If one wee to hypothetically need to drill and tap on the top of a Maverick 88 receiver, would this be incredibly difficult?

I do have a drill press, and most hand tools that one might find in the basement of a typical Navy Machinist Mate.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 24, 2019 08:34 PM (cqNba)

165 163 rhomboid mentioned The High Road as an excellent forum. I've belonged to it for years. Another great forum is Cast Boolits. If you shoot cast this site covers it all. It's easy to get lost on it going from one topic to another.

Posted by: JTB at March 24, 2019 08:33 PM (bmdz3)
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Both really are quality sites!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 08:34 PM (MVjcR)

166 Blue Bird, I have a basic F-1 Chrony that does fine (yes, I still have to do the math. And yes, I have shot off one of the screen legs.) private club, so no issues re setting up and shutting down range. It adds a whole new dimension to reloading since you have actual velocity data and can see highs/lows, standard deviation etc.

Posted by: RI Red - purveyorof Artisanal Ammo at March 24, 2019 08:34 PM (tVtan)

167 I used to smoke Chesterfields, for a short time.. I do remember how good they tasted.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 24, 2019 08:25 PM (438dO)



Were those the 'toasted' ones, or were those Luckies? I had a girlfriend in college who smoked one or the other.

Posted by: Hogmartin
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As someone else mentioned, it was Lucky Strikes..
But this was late 60's early 70's.. before they started putting all kinds of additives into cigs and artificially boosting nicotine..
Much better tasting..
I quit in the mid 70's, thank God.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 24, 2019 08:34 PM (438dO)

168 Shipping powder and primers incurs hazard material charges that usually wipe out any savings over higher local prices.

Have you ever considered going in on a group purchase and spread the cost over several reloading buddies?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at March 24, 2019 08:34 PM (lD3vL)

169 146

So what is a good, accurate-enough and universal (can be used with handgun and rifle) rig that can measure velocity?

What experience do y'all have in order to make recommendations on a chrono?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at March 24, 2019 08:27 PM (lD3vL)


I have a Shooting Chrony that works OK. It's one of the old, original ones, probably thirty years old. It just shows velocity for each shot, no memory, no fancy stats. To get average, max/min, standard deviation, etc you have to write down each shot and do the math offline. If I had it to do over, I'd get something more capable. It seems to do OK in a wide variety of lighting conditions from bright sun to heavy overcast.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at March 24, 2019 08:35 PM (bjCNA)

170 Best Simpsons episode ever!!!

Posted by: Bil| W\/ynn at March 24, 2019 08:35 PM (wuHiP)

171 If one wee to hypothetically need to drill and tap on the top of a Maverick 88 receiver, would this be incredibly difficult?

I do have a drill press, and most hand tools that one might find in the basement of a typical Navy Machinist Mate.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 24, 2019 08:34 PM (cqNba)
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That's really hard steel - you might be happier if you take it to a gunsmith unless you are confident in your skills.

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 08:36 PM (MVjcR)

172 What were ham and mothers?


Posted by: dartist
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Ham and Lima beans. Short for ham and mother f**kers. The worst excuse for food that the Military-Industrial Complex ever foisted on servicemen in an individual ration. And that is saying something.

Truly horrible.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2019 08:36 PM (Y4EXg)

173 BBof f'ing Joy, check your mail. please.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 24, 2019 08:37 PM (UWekm)

174 This week's submission comes to us from our pal RI Red. This is how a reloading bench should look! For the rest of you slobs, note how everything is neat, tidy and the workspace is uncluttered. Thanks, RI Red! Very nice setup!
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And the American flag is the cherry on top.

Posted by: bluebell at March 24, 2019 08:37 PM (aXucN)

175 i believe the guest comic is a regular visitor who uses tech (VPN?) to circumvent their ban.

best tactic is to set phasers to "ignore" and let the COB delete the cerrotes as they appear.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 24, 2019 08:37 PM (rf8q9)

176 As someone else mentioned, it was Lucky Strikes.

Non filters too. Can't believe I smoked those things, spitting little pieces of tobacco everywhere.

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 08:38 PM (K22Va)

177 146...

The wife surprised me on Christmas with a Lab Radar Doppler chronograph. Pricey, but zero risk of hitting the instrument (set up 90 degrees to muzzle), and it can measure velocity at multiple distances.

Posted by: WVinMN at March 24, 2019 08:38 PM (pV4s0)

178 The worst excuse for food that the Military-Industrial Complex ever foisted on servicemen in an individual ration. And that is saying something.

Truly horrible.
Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2019 08:36 PM

Objection. Dehydrated pork and beef patties.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 24, 2019 08:38 PM (5ETig)

179 160 What I like about reloads is that I can go out to some crappy ranges and blast away with slut brass and not care so much about not being able to recover the brass.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at March 24, 2019 08:30 PM (lD3vL)


I did that this winter, when there was snow on the ground. Loaded up some crappy mixed brass and let it sink into the snow. Since I'm a chronic brass hoarder, it was a little painful to leave it there, but better than digging in the snow. And a lot better than not shooting.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at March 24, 2019 08:39 PM (bjCNA)

180 Ham and Lima beans. Short for ham and mother
f**kers. The worst excuse for food that the Military-Industrial Complex
ever foisted on servicemen in an individual ration. And that is saying
something.

Truly horrible.


Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2019 08:36 PM (Y4EXg)
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what he said, except he was being generous in his praise of them.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 24, 2019 08:39 PM (rf8q9)

181 The wife surprised me on Christmas with a Lab Radar Doppler chronograph. Pricey, but zero risk of hitting the instrument (set up 90 degrees to muzzle), and it can measure velocity at multiple distances.

Posted by: WVinMN at March 24, 2019 08:38 PM (pV4s0)
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slick, aren't they?

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 08:39 PM (MVjcR)

182 >
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Ham and Lima beans. Short for ham and mother f**kers. The worst excuse for food that the Military-Industrial Complex ever foisted on servicemen in an individual ration. And that is saying something.

Truly horrible.
Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2019 08:36 PM (Y4E


Amen

Posted by: Muad'dib at March 24, 2019 08:39 PM (ydNpi)

183 I have a basic F-1 Chrony that does fine

Mine is an ancient Pact Professional XP. It sometimes works, though it feels like a major operation setting it up and breaking it down.

I would like to figure out a way to get it lined up quickly so that I'm not running back and forth between the bench and the gear to insure that rounds don't skip off the ground or overshoot the backstop yet not destroy the chrony when sighting in on a legitimate paper target down range.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at March 24, 2019 08:39 PM (lD3vL)

184 "That's really hard steel - you might be happier if you take it to a gunsmith unless you are confident in your skills."

Hmmm..........

Now that gives me some pause for thought, type info.

And again, thanks.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 24, 2019 08:40 PM (cqNba)

185 "most reloaders find themselves shooting more so for many it tends to be about a wash economically speaking"

In absolute terms, yes. But they have more fun. And that fun value can be calculated by the extra fun bullets if they were purchased. Boy, this extra fun that I'm actually having would have cost me a fortune.

Posted by: bour3 at March 24, 2019 08:41 PM (KXQr+)

186 Thanks, Bluebell! And the one on the right is Don't Tread on Me.
Mrs. Red just rolls her eyes when she comes down to my "mad scientist's lab".

Posted by: RI Red - purveyorof Artisanal Ammo at March 24, 2019 08:41 PM (tVtan)

187 Objection. Dehydrated pork and beef patties.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 24, 2019 08:38 PM (5ETig)

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objection denied: i've eaten both, and they were nothing like ham 'n mothers. besides, if you had time to cook them up with some ramen noodles, and cheese spread, they were actually damn tasty.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 24, 2019 08:41 PM (rf8q9)

188 If one wee to hypothetically need to drill and tap on the top of a Maverick 88 receiver, would this be incredibly difficult?

Just talking out my ass again (see previous disclaimer) but I seriously doubt that the receiver is hardened. You should be able to drill and tap it with ordinary bits. I would be more concerned with being able to control positioning precisely enough.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at March 24, 2019 08:41 PM (NYgVq)

189 cerrotes
Posted by: redc1c4 at March 24, 2019 08:37 PM (rf8q9)


I learned a new word today! Thanks.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 24, 2019 08:41 PM (t+qrx)

190 Ham and Lima beans. Short for ham and mother f**kers. The worst excuse
for food that the Military-Industrial Complex ever foisted on servicemen
in an individual ration. And that is saying something.

Oh yeah, there were a few I would trade anything to get rid of. We ate them cold a lot and the worse thing for me was that layer of fat on top of everything. I'd take powdered eggs in the rain over that shit.

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 08:41 PM (K22Va)

191 Lab Radar Doppler chronograph.

sub $600 is affordable. Tell me more.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at March 24, 2019 08:42 PM (lD3vL)

192 Thanks, Bluebell! And the one on the right is Don't Tread on Me.
Mrs. Red just rolls her eyes when she comes down to my "mad scientist's lab".
Posted by: RI Red - purveyorof Artisanal Ammo at March 24, 2019 08:41 PM (tVtan)
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Oh, I missed the Gadsden flag! Most excellent.

Posted by: bluebell at March 24, 2019 08:42 PM (aXucN)

193 Lab Radar Doppler chronograph.

sub $600 is affordable. Tell me more.


Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at March 24, 2019 08:42 PM (lD3vL)
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Worth every cent.

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 08:42 PM (MVjcR)

194 Dehydrated pork patty - sans water it made a good stabby.

Chicken a la King MRE when viewed in daylight seeing the chicken aortas...

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 24, 2019 08:43 PM (RJHwk)

195 Posted by: redc1c4 at March 24, 2019 08:41 PM

I'll have to take your word for it.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 24, 2019 08:43 PM (5ETig)

196 Son N++++ the Valiant had to qualify with pistol for an upcoming deployment as an AF Intelligence Officer. He rated "Expert". The kid can shoot. Before his call up, he took the head off a rattlesnake at 10+ yards with a S&W M&P compact in 40 SW with one shot.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at March 24, 2019 08:44 PM (w7U7L)

197 OK, Weasel and I have different guesses about the rxr hardness. You could try marking it somewhere inconspicuous, like internally, with a center punch to test harness.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at March 24, 2019 08:45 PM (NYgVq)

198 >
Chicken a la King MRE when viewed in daylight seeing the chicken aortas...
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 24, 2019



I see where you went wrong there......

Posted by: Muad'dib at March 24, 2019 08:45 PM (ydNpi)

199 I'll have to visit the local army surplus and pick up some MRE's to compare with C-rations. I can't believe they could be worse.

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 08:46 PM (K22Va)

200 Ham and Lima beans. Short for ham and mother
f**kers. The worst excuse for food that the Military-Industrial Complex
ever foisted on servicemen in an individual ration. And that is saying
something.



Truly horrible.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2019 08:36 PM (Y4E





Amen

Posted by: Muad'dib at March 24, 2019 08:39 PM

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That was not as bad as the eggs and ham C rat. That was truly horrible.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 24, 2019 08:46 PM (JUOKG)

201 168 Shipping powder and primers incurs hazard material charges that usually wipe out any savings over higher local prices.

Have you ever considered going in on a group purchase and spread the cost over several reloading buddies?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at March 24, 2019 08:34 PM (lD3vL)


That's an option, and I have done that. I think the hazmat fee is per shipment, so a big purchase spreads it out and takes some of the sting out. The local guy I buy from is cheap enough that it's pretty much a wash.

Also, being slightly paranoid, I prefer to buy shooting stuff in person, for cash, whenever I can, instead of creating a paper trail. Yeah, I know, there's really no privacy, so it's probably pointless to even try, but . . .

Posted by: Iowa Bob at March 24, 2019 08:47 PM (bjCNA)

202 OK, Weasel and I have different guesses about the rxr hardness. You could try marking it somewhere inconspicuous, like internally, with a center punch to test harness.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at March 24, 2019 08:45 PM (NYgVq)
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Mine was a really, really, really wild ass guess! Also, I agree that keeping everything lined up when drilling and tapping might be an issue too.
Of course, I'm a pretty big chicken...

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 08:47 PM (MVjcR)

203 161: this! x 1000! the media needs to die, also.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 24, 2019 08:48 PM (KP5rU)

204 Muab-dib, tell me of the Chicken a la King of your world...

But yeah, a meal you never eat in good lighting.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 24, 2019 08:49 PM (RJHwk)

205 I don't know how many folks this would apply to. For those of us with limited (very limited) mechanical skills, there is real satisfaction in turning out safe, accurate, and reliable ammo.

Posted by: JTB at March 24, 2019 08:49 PM (bmdz3)

206 Worth every cent.

Placing order with Midway USA.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at March 24, 2019 08:49 PM (lD3vL)

207 Anna Puma, have you had a chance to consider the offer?

Posted by: Ben Had at March 24, 2019 08:50 PM (UWekm)

208 Embarrassed to say, but I finally got an RCBS powder trickler for Christmas. In the past, I'd just fill up an empty cartridge and tap grains out. Now I can literally add a grain at a time. Vertical dispersal of shots has improved...

Posted by: RI Red - purveyorof Artisanal Ammo at March 24, 2019 08:50 PM (tVtan)

209 Privi Partisan .38 special for $210/1000 rounds of 158 gr SJWadcutter

Carolina Munitions

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at March 24, 2019 08:50 PM (xJa6I)

210 >Also, I agree that keeping everything lined up when drilling and tapping might be an issue too.



Cool! We're talking maple syruping on the gun thread. And how amaze balls it is on French Toast.

Posted by: Muad'dib at March 24, 2019 08:51 PM (ydNpi)

211 Did not get to range this week due to business trip, so I'll spare you all my wall o text commentary.

I did get a DeSantis holster for the SIG P320 that allows for the reflex sight. I'll be doing some carry tests as well as range tests for the gun and will let you know what I find.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at March 24, 2019 08:52 PM (xJa6I)

212 Placing order with Midway USA.


Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at March 24, 2019 08:49 PM (lD3vL)
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You won't regret it! HINT: Tune in to next week's thread.

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 08:52 PM (MVjcR)

213 the media needs to die, also.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 24, 2019 08:48 PM (KP5rU)

Endorsed

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at March 24, 2019 08:53 PM (xJa6I)

214 Last comment on Why I Reload:
If SHTF, I have a marketable skill. And a supply of raw material.
And I sure hope Weasel didn't include Lat/Long with that picture.

Posted by: RI Red - purveyorof Artisanal Ammo at March 24, 2019 08:54 PM (tVtan)

215 Thnks for the reloading thread Weasel. Has anyone heard from NZ Frank since the Great NZ Gun Grab?

Posted by: DBCooper at March 24, 2019 08:54 PM (bttOm)

216 Sorry, late to the thread.

Fuck you


Posted by: Joe Walker at March 24, 2019 08:25 PM (S+i5q)


Is this going to be the new "Sponge"?

Posted by: FIRST!!!!! at March 24, 2019 08:55 PM (C1NyB)

217 208 Embarrassed to say, but I finally got an RCBS powder trickler for Christmas. In the past, I'd just fill up an empty cartridge and tap grains out. Now I can literally add a grain at a time. Vertical dispersal of shots has improved...

Posted by: RI Red - purveyorof Artisanal Ammo at March 24, 2019 08:50 PM (tVtan)
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Check out the Omega 2 powder trickler when you have a chance.

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 08:55 PM (MVjcR)

218 How many of you are in this same boat? I have three different presses, one of them fairly expensive, and 90% of my reloading is done using old Lyman "nutcrackers"?

RI Red - showoff. Nice setup!

Oh, one other thing. Add Badman Bullets to your supplier list. Vet owned and operated, good prices, quality cannot be beat. http://www.badmanbullets.com

Posted by: BamaBubba at March 24, 2019 08:55 PM (p9mPa)

219 Anna, on my homeworld we don't eat chicken ala king ever. MRE or otherwise.

Posted by: Muad'dib at March 24, 2019 08:55 PM (ydNpi)

220 That was not as bad as the eggs and ham C rat. That was truly horrible.


Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 24, 2019 08:46 PM (JUOKG)

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i loved them. best part was people would actually throw them away, so i didn't even have to trade for them...

people bitching about MRE's never had to live on C-rats.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 24, 2019 08:55 PM (rf8q9)

221 maybe i'm a paranoid, tinfoil hat wearing crazy. but, talking about weapon and ammo stores here, might as well put a giant neon sign on your roof, "guns and ammo stored here." am i wrong?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 24, 2019 08:56 PM (KP5rU)

222 Dude Weed Thread!

Posted by: Jo Rogan at March 24, 2019 08:56 PM (IR2bT)

223 Tune in to next week's thread.

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 08:52 PM (MVjcR)

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LOL: someone's being punny.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 24, 2019 08:56 PM (rf8q9)

224 162 I'm in the market for a Grand Power 10mm, Buds and other places are out of them. I love the rotating barrel because it calms down the recoil and out of all the 9mms taken to the range, everyone gravitates to the Grand Power because it is accurate and mild.

Has something evil happened to the importer?
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at March 24, 2019 08:32 PM (lD3vL)

They're still on Gunbroker for around $600, if you're serious about getting right now.

I love my Glock 20 SF in 10mm. It's one of my never-sells

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at March 24, 2019 08:57 PM (xJa6I)

225 As a reloader I'll say there's a couple memes on social media:

I no longer answer when people ask how much ammo I have because it makes people uncomfortable.

The best thing that's happened to gun sales in our lifetime would be ......Hillary Clinton.

You went into reloading to save money? ...BWaaaaaaHAHAHA!!!!

Posted by: DocGrins at March 24, 2019 08:57 PM (5prN7)

226 The first press I bought was a Hornady progressive. I set it up, looked at it, took it apart and put it on the shelf. I never loaded the first round on it. I use plain ol' single stage and arbor presses.

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 08:57 PM (MVjcR)

227 OK, Mrs. Red has dindin prepared - no Ham and MFers, no Ham'nEggs, no C-Rats at all.
Weasel, as always, thanks for the knowledge.
Good night, Morons/Ettes!

Posted by: RI Red - purveyorof Artisanal Ammo at March 24, 2019 08:57 PM (tVtan)

228 am i wrong?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 24, 2019 08:56 PM (KP5rU)

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i have an 03FFL, so the Derp State already knows...

the FSA is welcome to re-enact Rourke's Drift at my house, if they wish.

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 24, 2019 08:58 PM (rf8q9)

229 Cool! We're talking maple syruping on the gun thread. And how amaze balls it is on French Toast.
Posted by: Muad'dib at March 24, 2019 08:51 PM (ydNpi)
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These are the only words I understand in this whole thread.

Posted by: bluebell at March 24, 2019 08:58 PM (aXucN)

230 Been away from the thread, will depart again, but Blue Bird of effing Joy, if that oil well of yours is producing to spec, consider LabRadar. Doppler radar rig set up behind the shooter. Niiiice.


One shooter/customer at the range a few months ago, he was quite enthusiastic, new member/shooter, and he was talking about donating a LabRadar to the club. I said that was great, best talk to the club president, we will want to erect some pretty elaborate safeguards to make sure the thing isn't broken in a week.


Anyway, I think the thing is around $500. So, for the serious reloader, or serious engineering geek, or benchrest shooter, or Kuwaiti prince, or .....

Posted by: rhomboid at March 24, 2019 08:58 PM (QDnY+)

231 As usual, a VERY informative - and fun -Gub Thread. Thanks, Weasel!

And thanks also for the Ht Tip!

Posted by: ibguy at March 24, 2019 08:58 PM (EHVbt)

232 221 maybe i'm a paranoid, tinfoil hat wearing crazy. but, talking about weapon and ammo stores here, might as well put a giant neon sign on your roof, "guns and ammo stored here." am i wrong?
Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 24, 2019 08:56 PM (KP5rU)

Maybe?

I had to get my fingerprints taken and registered to get my CPL, so I figure my ass is already out there. I stay within the law so longs as possible.

I don't begrudge anyone wanting to stay as ANON as possible but....if they want to get you, they will find you and get you. They can concentrate resources

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at March 24, 2019 08:59 PM (xJa6I)

233 I no longer answer when people ask how much ammo I have because it makes people uncomfortable.


Posted by: DocGrins at March 24, 2019 08:57 PM (5prN7)

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the correct answer is "not enough"...

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 24, 2019 08:59 PM (rf8q9)

234 I'll have to visit the local army surplus and pick up some MRE's to compare with C-rations. I can't believe they could be worse.


Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 08:46 PM (K22Va)

Never underestimate military "dieticians". They could make Beef Wellngton taste like feces.

Posted by: Grannymimi at March 24, 2019 08:59 PM (u5LFV)

235 The dehydrated patties where ok if you had time to soak them. IMHO the worst thing they ever put in any military packaged was the MRE fruitcake.

Not that it was any worse then normal fruit cake but the effect it had on the digestive system......

Posted by: Big V at March 24, 2019 09:00 PM (sN665)

236 Posted by: ibguy at March 24, 2019 08:58 PM (EHVbt)

Posted by: RI Red - purveyorof Artisanal Ammo at March 24, 2019 08:57 PM (tVtan)
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Thanks guys!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:00 PM (MVjcR)

237 people bitching about MRE's never had to live on C-rats.

Those ham and eggs were nasty, but you got that little piece of wood you were supposed to chew until it was fuzzy for a tooth brush.

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 09:01 PM (K22Va)

238 Cool! We're talking maple syruping on the gun thread. And how amaze balls it is on French Toast.

Posted by: Muad'dib at March 24, 2019 08:51 PM (ydNpi)
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Don't tell CBD, but I'm a huge fan!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:01 PM (MVjcR)

239 i'm fine with how i feel. that's all i have to say about that.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 24, 2019 09:02 PM (KP5rU)

240 >
These are the only words I understand in this whole thread.
Posted by: bluebell at March 24, 2019 08:



Hey there! Just got done boiling for the night. I smell like smoke and maple. The snowpack is slowing the sap run but the sap quality is perfect.

Posted by: Muad'dib at March 24, 2019 09:02 PM (ydNpi)

241 I love my Glock 20 SF in 10mm. It's one of my never-sells

I have the 20C and the 29 they are "eh". Have various Kimbers in one centimeter and excellent shooters just not exactly CC. Have a Limited Edition Colt Gold Cup in 10mm that, for obvious reasons, isn't the EDC.

Was hoping that the rotating barrel magic would reduce the recoil to set up for quicker shots.

The alternative is spend more time at the gym and at the range to get the 20C under control. (the C is only good for trashing night vision)

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at March 24, 2019 09:03 PM (lD3vL)

242 These are the only words I understand in this whole thread.
Posted by: bluebell at March 24, 2019 08:58 PM (aXucN)
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Hi, bluebell! I love reading the gun thread too, and I have no clue what they're talking about either. Strange, isn't it? LOL

Posted by: IrishEi at March 24, 2019 09:03 PM (NtglE)

243 DBCooper, you the same one as on The High Road?


Somebody earlier talked about a nice bit of gear they got for next to nothing. My best experience so far on that aspect was the first scale I bought, used, an RCBS/Ohaus 505, a classic beam scale. Might have been me/my inexperience, but I found it hinky and odd the first time I tried to use it. Called RCBS. They said send it in. 2 weeks later .... brand new 505 is delivered to me. I paid $30 for the used one.


Weasel, a single stage? Wow. I use a Lee 4-hole turret, which can churn out rounds pretty quickly (esp. certain handgun rounds where the powder fill is easily visible). Not like a progressive, but pretty impressive once it, and you, are dialed in. And, I use it in single stage mode when I'm reloading 30-06, so it's got that nice flexibility.


OK, dangit, have to run, but thanks Weasel again, and all you folks thinking of reloading (if it fits your life and your shooting life), please ask questions. And don't be intimidated. Reloading is not as difficult as many assume. Pretty simple and easy, really.


Posted by: rhomboid at March 24, 2019 09:03 PM (QDnY+)

244 242 These are the only words I understand in this whole thread.
Posted by: bluebell at March 24, 2019 08:58 PM (aXucN)
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Hi, bluebell! I love reading the gun thread too, and I have no clue what they're talking about either. Strange, isn't it? LOL

Posted by: IrishEi at March 24, 2019 09:03 PM (NtglE)
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We love it when you 'ettes join in!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:05 PM (MVjcR)

245 Anyway, I think the thing is around $500. So, for the serious reloader, or serious engineering geek, or benchrest shooter, or Kuwaiti prince, or .....

Or just half a day of work on my side-hustle.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at March 24, 2019 09:06 PM (lD3vL)

246 209 Privi Partisan .38 special for $210/1000 rounds of 158 gr SJWadcutter

Carolina Munitions

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at March 24, 2019 08:50 PM (xJa6I)


Sticking with the theme of reloading cost, Missouri Bullets has 148g LWC for $34.50 / 500. I load .38 wadcutters with 2.8g of Bullseye, so 0.4 lbs for 1k rounds. The last Bullseye I bought was $17.27 / pound, so $6.90 for powder to load 1k rounds. Last time I bought small pistol primers they were $28.45 per thousand.

So, $104.34 for a thousand rounds. This assumes that the brass is free, which for 38 Spec is mostly true, since it lasts forever and you never lose it.

Plus your time. Which if I wasn't at the loading bench, I would waste chatting with a bunch of reprobates on the internet.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at March 24, 2019 09:06 PM (bjCNA)

247 Hi, bluebell! I love reading the gun thread too, and I have no clue what they're talking about either. Strange, isn't it? LOL

Oh crap guys, they're watching. And judging us. We better cut it out with the fart jokes.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at March 24, 2019 09:06 PM (NYgVq)

248 200+ comments and nobody has stated it yet. Perhaps because it is too obvious, but it has to be said.

Never carry home-rolled ammo in your carry pistol.
An aggressive prosecutor will accuse you of having extra-deadly ammo specifically built to inflict maximum damage/death.

Always use what the cops use.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 24, 2019 09:08 PM (z79tQ)

249 Posted by: rhomboid at March 24, 2019 09:03 PM (QDnY+)
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I ain't no ways smart enough to keep track of a multi-stage press!

Thanks as always for stopping by and contributing Amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:08 PM (MVjcR)

250 >
Plus your time. Which if I wasn't at the loading bench, I would waste chatting with a bunch of reprobates on the internet.
Posted by: Iowa Bob at March 24, 2019 09:06 PM (b



Hey! I resemble that.

Posted by: Muad'dib at March 24, 2019 09:09 PM (ydNpi)

251 243- Rhomboid.

No, that's not me but I do read there.

Posted by: DBCooper at March 24, 2019 09:09 PM (bttOm)

252 Hi, bluebell! I love reading the gun thread too, and I have no clue what they're talking about either. Strange, isn't it? LOL
Posted by: IrishEi at March 24, 2019 09:03 PM (NtglE)
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I admire the collective knowledge. We have some very talented people here. And Weasel always makes it interesting even for dumbbells like me.

Posted by: bluebell at March 24, 2019 09:09 PM (aXucN)

253
In the mean time, look at used Kahrs, because it kind of reminds me of that. Then see what the first round of owners (not reviewers) say about it.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 24, 2019 07:52 PM (t+qrx)








I have a Kahr CW9 as my concealed carry gun and it's quite nice. The grip is just large enough that I can get my hands on it, which still being concealable. Surprisingly soft-shooting for a small, light singlestack 9mm as well.

One thing though. They recommend a 200 round break-in period. They MEAN it. You WILL have stoppages during that time, even with FMJ practice ammo. But it smooths out to be quite reliable after that.

It's also a bit sensitive to bullet ogive. I've used Speer Gold Dots for my 9mm defensive guns for years with good results. The Kahr doesn't like them at all, the GDs hang up in the chamber quite often. But I went with the Hornady Critical Defense and Critical Duty rounds and they've been perfect through a couple of hundred rounds, mainly because of the conical bullet, I think.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 24, 2019 09:11 PM (eXA4G)

254 Hey there! Just got done boiling for the night. I smell like smoke and maple. The snowpack is slowing the sap run but the sap quality is perfect.
Posted by: Muad'dib at March 24, 2019 09:02 PM (ydNpi)
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Ooooooh baby.

Posted by: bluebell at March 24, 2019 09:11 PM (aXucN)

255 We love it when you 'ettes join in!

Yeah but what if we start talking about shoes?

Posted by: Jewells45 at March 24, 2019 09:11 PM (dUJdY)

256 Never carry home-rolled ammo in your carry pistol.
An aggressive prosecutor will accuse you of having extra-deadly ammo specifically built to inflict maximum damage/death.

Always use what the cops use.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 24, 2019 09:08 PM (z79tQ)
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That's what I've heard, too. I'm just wondering if it's really a thing or an internet fable. I've read that a lot, so I really have no idea. Anyone?

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:11 PM (MVjcR)

257 people bitching about MRE's never had to live on C-rats.

Those ham and eggs were nasty, but you got that little piece of wood
Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 09:01 PM


Ham and lima beans (NOT affectionately known as "Ham & "Mike Foxtrot 'ers"") were the worst, IMNSHO. You did generally get a P-38, to adorn your tags, as well.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2019 09:12 PM (DMUuz)

258 Never carry home-rolled ammo in your carry pistol.
An aggressive prosecutor will accuse you of having extra-deadly ammo specifically built to inflict maximum damage/death.


I always heard that and I wouldn't put anything past some DAs but so far nobody has cited an actual instance. I suspect this is another of those "everyone knows" things that may or may not actually be true.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at March 24, 2019 09:12 PM (NYgVq)

259 168 Shipping powder and primers incurs hazard material charges that usually wipe out any savings over higher local prices.

Have you ever considered going in on a group purchase and spread the cost over several reloading buddies?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at March 24, 2019 08:34 PM (lD3vL)



Natchez Shooters Supply and Midway have had deals on HazMat shipping several times so far in 2019. Either zero or $25 for unlimited items. Usually for one or two days only.

PS: I am not an employee or shareholder of Brownells, Natchez, or Midway!

Posted by: Gref at March 24, 2019 09:12 PM (AMIL/)

260 Roll yer own. http://tinyurl.com/yxtxmp4y

Posted by: Socratease at March 24, 2019 09:12 PM (2GbWn)

261 Weasel,
Yeah, I have a Lee progressive press. It's still in the box. I use the 3 hole turret Lee press I got as a second (a scratch in the paint) over 30 years ago. It mostly gets used as a single stage. About once a year I wipe down the lift shaft with a dab of motor oil. I couldn't begin to guess how many thousands of rounds I've loaded on it.

Posted by: JTB at March 24, 2019 09:12 PM (bmdz3)

262 We love it when you 'ettes join in!

Yeah but what if we start talking about shoes?

Posted by: Jewells45 at March 24, 2019 09:11 PM (dUJdY)
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I won't tell!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:14 PM (MVjcR)

263 255
Hey there! Just got done boiling for the night. I smell like smoke and
maple. The snowpack is slowing the sap run but the sap quality is
perfect.

My brother sent me some syrup that he made from his property. Nothing like store bought stuff. A lot of work.

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 09:16 PM (K22Va)

264 261 Weasel,
Yeah, I have a Lee progressive press. It's still in the box. I use the 3 hole turret Lee press I got as a second (a scratch in the paint) over 30 years ago. It mostly gets used as a single stage. About once a year I wipe down the lift shaft with a dab of motor oil. I couldn't begin to guess how many thousands of rounds I've loaded on it.

Posted by: JTB at March 24, 2019 09:12 PM (bmdz3)
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I hate to think about the amount of time that goes into reloading match rifle ammo. One step at a time. An absurd amount of time, but man is it ever worth it!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:17 PM (MVjcR)

265 259

Natchez Shooters Supply and Midway have had deals on HazMat shipping several times so far in 2019. Either zero or $25 for unlimited items. Usually for one or two days only.

Posted by: Gref at March 24, 2019 09:12 PM (AMIL/)


Yep, that's the way to go if you're going to mailorder. I'm within driving distance from Brownells retail store, so I keep a lookout for deals there on components and drive over once or twice a year.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at March 24, 2019 09:17 PM (bjCNA)

266 So, a friend from out of state drops by the other day and I take him to Bud's Guns. He bought one box of 38 special - and I bought another 12GA pump. It's a Stevens that comes with 18" barrel for home defense plus a 28" barrel for regular hunting. $251.00 out the door...

Posted by: Spankmeister at March 24, 2019 09:17 PM (dn8lZ)

267 Oh Weasel.. I would never try to barge in on your gun thread. You all enjoy it so much.

Posted by: Jewells45 at March 24, 2019 09:17 PM (dUJdY)

268 Yeah but what if we start talking about shoes?

Posted by: Jewells45 at M



you mean like asking, "do these shoes look good with my ceiling?"

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 09:17 PM (MTjB1)

269 254 Hey there! Just got done boiling for the night. I smell like smoke and maple. The snowpack is slowing the sap run but the sap quality is perfect.
Posted by: Muad'dib at March 24, 2019 09:02 PM (ydNpi)
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Ooooooh baby.

Posted by: bluebell at March 24, 2019 09:11 PM (aXucN)

Yeah, I don't play for that team but I am so turned on right now.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2019 09:17 PM (NWiLs)

270 That's what I've heard, too. I'm just wondering if it's really a thing or an internet fable. I've read that a lot, so I really have no idea. Anyone?
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:11 PM (MVjcR)

I don't know it for a fact either, though I think I recall some stories from when CC was new in various states, and the anti-gun attitudes of some legal-system functionaries.
I think I read it in the American Rifleman as a matter of fact, but it's been many years.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 24, 2019 09:17 PM (z79tQ)

271
Never carry home-rolled ammo in your carry pistol.
An aggressive prosecutor will accuse you of having extra-deadly ammo specifically built to inflict maximum damage/death.

Always use what the cops use.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 24, 2019 09:08 PM (z79tQ)
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That's what I've heard, too. I'm just wondering if it's really a thing or an internet fable. I've read that a lot, so I really have no idea. Anyone?
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:11 PM (MVjcR)







I seem to remember Ayoob writing an article about 10-12 years back, debunking that concept, and stating that he's never heard of anyone being prosecuted for hand loads.

HOWEVER.

It's probably still a good idea to proceed under the assumption that you WOULD be prosecuted for using hand loads. It would absolutely suck to be the test case. Besides, given the quality of modern hollow-point defensive ammunition from the majors these days, I don't see how you could get much more of an advantage by using hand loads for defensive use.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 24, 2019 09:18 PM (eXA4G)

272 "I smell like smoke and maple."

Muad'dib, Now that is one heck of a great combo. If I wore cologne, it would be Hoppe's or L'Aire du Maple.

Damn, now I'm thinking about pancakes for breakfast.

Posted by: JTB at March 24, 2019 09:18 PM (bmdz3)

273 I would say it's a safer bet to use commercial in a carry pistol, from a legal perspective.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 24, 2019 09:18 PM (z79tQ)

274 It's probably still a good idea to proceed under the assumption that you WOULD be prosecuted for using hand loads. It would absolutely suck to be the test case. Besides, given the quality of modern hollow-point defensive ammunition from the majors these days, I don't see how you could get much more of an advantage by using hand loads for defensive use.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 24, 2019 09:18 PM (eXA4G)
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Agreed!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:19 PM (MVjcR)

275 n, now I'm thinking about pancakes for breakfast.
Posted by: JTB at M




french toast too

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 09:20 PM (MTjB1)

276 Natchez Shooters Supply and Midway have had deals on HazMat shipping several times so far in 2019. Either zero or $25 for unlimited items. Usually for one or two days only.

PS: I am not an employee or shareholder of Brownells, Natchez, or Midway!

Posted by: Gref at March 24, 2019 09:12 PM (AMIL/)
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Yep! Thanks Gref!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:21 PM (MVjcR)

277 Greetings, my bench's, I cannot see the tops, a foot of treasure prevents that. Awaiting detail on gun grab. It may not be all semi's but I do not trust them to sit the right way round on the shitter.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at March 24, 2019 09:21 PM (bgJ0E)

278 now I'm thinking about pancakes for breakfast.
Posted by: JTB at M

french toast too
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 09:20 PM (MTjB1)


Gun thread just got weird.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 24, 2019 09:21 PM (t+qrx)

279 I recall hearing that you could be charged with some crime just for Xing your lrn 38s. Called them dumdums or some sort.
Anyone remember that?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 24, 2019 09:21 PM (z79tQ)

280 Thanks for checking in, NZFrank. We were all kind of wondering what's going on over there.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 24, 2019 09:22 PM (t+qrx)

281 Ham and lima beans (NOT affectionately known as "Ham "Mike Foxtrot
'ers"") were the worst, IMNSHO. You did generally get a P-38, to adorn
your tags, as well.

Oh yeah, but there were only 4? in a case of C-rats, so if you were a new guy you had to wait until everyone else got there's open to eat. that sucked too. I still have a P-38 on my key chain, just in case. The cans were thick and a bitch to open but they wouldn't blow up if you heated them on a manifold if you got the chance.

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 09:22 PM (K22Va)

282 A Dillon 650 does a fine job, FWIW.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2019 09:22 PM (DMUuz)

283 Never carry home-rolled ammo in your carry pistol.

An aggressive prosecutor will accuse you of having extra-deadly ammo specifically built to inflict maximum damage/death.



I've told this story before, but I used to know a gun store owner that sold his own brand of personal defense ammo: "Blue Bunny". He was also a lawyer, and his theory was that an overzealous prosecutor would try to paint you as a cold blooded killer in a self-defense situation by holding the brand of ammo you used as evidence...but it's hard to paint someone that way if they used "Blue Bunny" ammunition.

Posted by: Bert G at March 24, 2019 09:23 PM (OMsf+)

284 you would think that some country that does not have a military would like having armed citizens so they do not have to rely entirely on the largesse of other nations.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 09:23 PM (MTjB1)

285 277 Greetings, my bench's, I cannot see the tops, a foot of treasure prevents that. Awaiting detail on gun grab. It may not be all semi's but I do not trust them to sit the right way round on the shitter.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at March 24, 2019 09:21 PM (bgJ0E)
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Howdy NZFrank! Yeah brother, mine is something of a mess too. I move all the stuff onto the top of the washer and dryer when I'm reloading.

Keeping an eye on that situation too - good luck!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:24 PM (MVjcR)

286 I've told this story before, but I used to know a gun store owner that sold his own brand of personal defense ammo: "Blue Bunny". He was also a lawyer, and his theory was that an overzealous prosecutor would try to paint you as a cold blooded killer in a self-defense situation by holding the brand of ammo you used as evidence...but it's hard to paint someone that way if they used "Blue Bunny" ammunition.

Posted by: Bert G at March 24, 2019 09:23 PM (OMsf+)

Is also a brand of ice cream n'est ce pas?

Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2019 09:24 PM (NWiLs)

287 It would absolutely suck to be the test case.

The most important thing I was taught in my first CHL class (hi Karl): DBTC. Don't Be the Test Case.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at March 24, 2019 09:24 PM (NYgVq)

288 I told him after 600 yards I am gonna call in the 60mm mortars.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 24, 2019 07:57 PM (Z+IKu)

Arc Light. Three ship cell inbound.

Posted by: Georgie Patton at March 24, 2019 09:25 PM (MwFQu)

289 Oldradartech, prayers for your healing

Posted by: votermom certified russian matryoshka bot at March 24, 2019 09:25 PM (dm05u)

290 I've told this story before, but I used to know a gun store owner that sold his own brand of personal defense ammo: "Blue Bunny". He was also a lawyer, and his theory was that an overzealous prosecutor would try to paint you as a cold blooded killer in a self-defense situation by holding the brand of ammo you used as evidence...but it's hard to paint someone that way if they used "Blue Bunny" ammunition.



Posted by: Bert G at March 24, 2019 09:23 PM (OMsf+)
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That's pretty damn funny!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:26 PM (MVjcR)

291 284 you would think that some country that does not have a military would like having armed citizens so they do not have to rely entirely on the largesse of other nations.
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 09:23 PM (MTjB1)

Hope you are not aiming that my way - Chap.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at March 24, 2019 09:26 PM (bgJ0E)

292 Good panel on FOX right now.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 24, 2019 09:26 PM (1UZdv)

293 This lottery thing is not panning out for me like I hoped it would, so I'm going to start selling Mueller butthurt cream to progressives.

Posted by: Pleistocene Megafauna at March 24, 2019 09:27 PM (wWUkD)

294 Yeah but what if we start talking about shoes?
Posted by: Jewells45 at March 24, 2019 09:11 PM (dUJdY)



Meh. We're over 250 comments. Who cares? Talk about hiking or camping shoes/boots, and you can dovetail right into range wear!

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at March 24, 2019 09:27 PM (C1NyB)

295 Hope you are not aiming that my way - Chap.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at M



more or less at nz, but should you feel compelled to take offense do so. have you recently reconstituted your air force?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 09:27 PM (MTjB1)

296 Pffft. 1 problem, 1 16" shell.

Did get to see the crater from one. Impressive, it was. Desirous of never having to call one in danger close it made me.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2019 09:28 PM (DMUuz)

297 no fighting on the gun thread please.

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:29 PM (MVjcR)

298 More info about Labradar for those interested-https://tinyurl.com/yybnjsuy

Posted by: iron308 at March 24, 2019 09:29 PM (hW/ap)

299 Just look at our past history. The record is there.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at March 24, 2019 09:29 PM (bgJ0E)

300 Just look at our past history. The record is there.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at M



which has nothing to so with my comment.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 09:30 PM (MTjB1)

301 I'm not sure they're still in business, but here's the yelp for the store that sold Blue Bunny (looks like no reviews in several years).


https://tinyurl.com/yybcwobm

Posted by: Bert G at March 24, 2019 09:30 PM (OMsf+)

302 Got the 50 Beowulf build almost done. Need to install the brake, yet. Son has had a chance to fire his (no brake installed as yet, just a flash suppressor). He says it needs one.

Ammo came Thur, too. Looks like it would be wise to use a 300 BLK follower in the mags. That's the salient point of son's range report. Said he was busting clays @ 175 yds with a 2 MOA red dot.

Should be good for us for whitetails this fall. Grandson the Younger reminded me he's going along this year.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at March 24, 2019 09:30 PM (di1hb)

303 I have nothing to contribute to either the food thread or the gun thread.

I find the food thread depressing, but not the gun thread.

Posted by: rickl at March 24, 2019 09:30 PM (sdi6R)

304 Just look at our past history. The record is there.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at M

which has nothing to so with my comment.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 09:30 PM (MTjB1)
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That'll do.

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:31 PM (MVjcR)

305 Did get to see the crater from one. Impressive, it was. Desirous of never having to call one in danger close it made me.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2019 09:28 PM

Yeah...when danger close is 1,000 meters, makes you wonder.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 24, 2019 09:31 PM (5ETig)

306 That'll do.
Posted by: Weasel at M




where was the hq violation?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 09:32 PM (MTjB1)

307 I have nothing to contribute to either the food thread or the gun thread.

I find the food thread depressing, but not the gun thread.

Posted by: rickl at March 24, 2019 09:30 PM (sdi6R)
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Well that's good! The food thread makes me hungry. Go figure.

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:32 PM (MVjcR)

308 I find the food thread depressing, but not the gun thread.

Why? Food and guns make me happy.

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 09:33 PM (K22Va)

309 306 That'll do.
Posted by: Weasel at M

where was the hq violation?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 09:32 PM (MTjB1)
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I don't want to see this devolve into some sort of pissing match. So let's leave it there.

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:33 PM (MVjcR)

310 I find the food thread depressing, but not the gun thread.
Posted by: rickl at March 24, 2019 09:30 PM (sdi6R)
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Well that's good! The food thread makes me hungry. Go figure.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:32 PM (MVjcR)


This gun thread is about gun food.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 24, 2019 09:33 PM (t+qrx)

311 this devolve into some sort of pissing match. So let's leave it there.
Posted by: Weasel at M




so, gun thread / safe space?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 09:34 PM (MTjB1)

312

Posted by: Jelly Beans at March 24, 2019 09:34 PM (ePWRo)

313 Pour le 'ettes, Breitbart has a thread up about Melania wearing neon Manolo Blahnics to kick off the fashion season.

(If fashion is a season, will Michelle be publishing her bracket?)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2019 09:34 PM (DMUuz)

314 This gun thread is about gun food.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 24, 2019 09:33 PM

Woah...

Posted by: Theodore Logan at March 24, 2019 09:35 PM (5ETig)

315 282 A Dillon 650 does a fine job, FWIW.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2019 09:22 PM (DMUuz)


Son wants to go halvsies on one. It would live with me, of course.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at March 24, 2019 09:35 PM (di1hb)

316 This gun thread is about gun food.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 24, 2019 09:33 PM

Woah...

Posted by: Theodore Logan at March 24, 2019 09:35 PM (5ETig)
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It is!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:35 PM (MVjcR)

317 Let's try that for reals:

♠ ♠ ♠ ♠ ♠

Posted by: Jelly Beans at March 24, 2019 09:35 PM (ePWRo)

318 Eh, I should have looked more closely, he's closed up shop. I should have bought a box of his ammo just to have when I had the chance.

Posted by: Bert G at March 24, 2019 09:35 PM (OMsf+)

319 Reagan Colluded with Putin.
Chesterfield is a Russian.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at March 24, 2019 09:35 PM (FiUMj)

320 311; always was.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 24, 2019 09:36 PM (KP5rU)

321 Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 09:34 PM (MTjB1)

No. Just stop being a dick. Is that so tough?

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at March 24, 2019 09:36 PM (C1NyB)

322 Also, filled out a 4473 this week and added a P227 and P938 to the herd.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at March 24, 2019 09:36 PM (di1hb)

323 315 282 A Dillon 650 does a fine job, FWIW.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2019 09:22 PM (DMUuz)

Son wants to go halvsies on one. It would live with me, of course.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at March 24, 2019 09:35 PM (di1hb)
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Dillon makes really nice gear!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:36 PM (MVjcR)

324 It is!
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:35 PM

Excellent!

*strums air guitar*

Posted by: Theodore Logan at March 24, 2019 09:37 PM (5ETig)

325 this devolve into some sort of pissing match. So let's leave it there.
Posted by: Weasel at M



you should hope I ignore you

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 09:37 PM (MTjB1)

326 I often print out parts of the food thread. Including comments. Like bluebell said, there are a lot of talented people here. I learn from someone here every day.

Posted by: Muad'dib at March 24, 2019 09:37 PM (ydNpi)

327 this devolve into some sort of pissing match. So let's leave it there.
Posted by: Weasel at M



you should hope I ignore you
Posted by: yankeefifth at M




that was not intended for you

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 09:37 PM (MTjB1)

328 Weasel, if I could clear my benches I would probably, find at least most of a rifle and about 600 rds and sundry collectable goodies. Trying to load for the .338LM and an getting best results with 250 gn and 300gn VLD Bergers using ADI powders.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at March 24, 2019 09:38 PM (bgJ0E)

329
325 this devolve into some sort of pissing match. So let's leave it there.
Posted by: Weasel at M

you should hope I ignore you

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 09:37 PM (MTjB1)
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seriously dude?

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:38 PM (MVjcR)

330 Son wants to go halvsies on one. It would live with me, of course.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at March 24, 2019 09:35 PM (di1hb)

Girlfriend bought me a press for Christmas one year. Told me to make out a list of what I wanted. I was stupid, and went cheap; got a Lee Pro 1000. Which is ok.

Should've asked for a Dillon.

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at March 24, 2019 09:38 PM (C1NyB)

331 Also, filled out a 4473 this week and added a P227 and P938 to the herd.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at March 24, 2019 09:36 PM


I'm sure I hear a P365 calling your name.

After the 650, so you can feed it.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2019 09:39 PM (DMUuz)

332 Da Nang Dick on MSNBC is awesomely idiotic.



The Dems are completely spinning into obscurity. Rush to judgment.hahahhahaha

Posted by: LASue at March 24, 2019 09:40 PM (XROPS)

333 328 Weasel, if I could clear my benches I would probably, find at least most of a rifle and about 600 rds and sundry collectable goodies. Trying to load for the .338LM and an getting best results with 250 gn and 300gn VLD Bergers using ADI powders.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at March 24, 2019 09:38 PM (bgJ0E)
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Ha! I really just need to get rid of the washer & dryer! I'd have a lot more space!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:40 PM (MVjcR)

334 Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 09:37 PM (MTjB1)

As long as you've been here, why are you being such a fucking penis? Drinking tonight? Maybe go to bed.

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at March 24, 2019 09:40 PM (C1NyB)

335 here, why are you being such a fucking penis? Drinking tonight? Maybe go to bed.
Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at M


why don't you try using your real nickname?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 09:41 PM (MTjB1)

336 Weasel, then you would have to make more shelving space and we already have one shelver.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 24, 2019 09:42 PM (UWekm)

337 Old Glory standing stiffly,
Crimson, white and indigo,
Indigo.

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 09:42 PM (K22Va)

338 Oh, and Ace should check out those shelves.
That center stud with the support T makes it.

Posted by: Jelly Beans at March 24, 2019 09:42 PM (ePWRo)

339 Hey everybody.

Friends at FB saying that now that the Mueller probe is finished and turned up bupkis, the 'deep state' will just turn to its old tricks and have PDT "disposed of."

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 24, 2019 09:43 PM (miE9U)

340 Weasel, then you would have to make more shelving space and we already have one shelver.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 24, 2019 09:42 PM (UWekm)
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true!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:43 PM (MVjcR)

341 Prediction: Within 72 hours from today, the words Mueller and Report will never be uttered in the same sentence by anyone in the MSM.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at March 24, 2019 09:44 PM (FiUMj)

342 Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 09:41 PM (MTjB1)

WTF does that have to do with your asshole-ishness? Nothing, but I'll play along. Even though sock puppetting is an accepted and encouraged activity here.

Which nic do you want to see?

chiefjaybob?
FIRST!!!!!?
Eustace Haverkamp?

Those three are the ones I've used the most. Pick whichever one soothes your hurt ass.

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at March 24, 2019 09:45 PM (C1NyB)

343 true!
Posted by: Weasel at M


so we are clear, for future reference, I make a comment intended to be sympathetic to someone in nz who gets his knickers in a twist and you shut the conversation down for whatever.

someone shows up and makes ad hominem attacks in my direction and you are ok with that.

was there a rule or reason you could define in there?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 09:45 PM (MTjB1)

344 I have never set up or shot exploding targets but can someone make a significant IED from tannerite ?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at March 24, 2019 09:46 PM (2DOZq)

345 Which nic do you want to see?

chiefjaybob?
FIRST!!!!!?
Eustace Haverkamp?

Those three are the ones I've used the most. Pick whichever one soothes your hurt ass.
Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at M



just keep posting, more is better.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 09:46 PM (MTjB1)

346 are we going to have bitch slapping?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 24, 2019 09:46 PM (KP5rU)

347 I'm old enough to remember, my dad used to buy Chesterfields out of a coin operated machine at a magazine shop.. They cost a quarter.. The price was 22¢, so each pack had 3 brand-new pennies inside the cellophane.

I got the pennies.

Posted by: franksalterego at March 24, 2019 09:47 PM (3cq8T)

348 Pretty detailed and scientific video comparing powder burn rates for smokeless (first) and black powder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo9t6gdLizE

Good production values.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 24, 2019 09:47 PM (t+qrx)

349 Before this one wraps up, thank you as always for your work in putting up this thread, Weasel. Distracting posts/posters aside tonight, I always learn a lot from it. See you next week!

Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 09:47 PM (ffYR/)

350 I now see why MSNBC is in the basement in the ratings.

What a bunch of boobs.

I thought Fox had idiotic guests but They are head and shoulders above these doofuses in MSNBC.


Posted by: LASue at March 24, 2019 09:47 PM (XROPS)

351 Girlfriend bought me a press for Christmas one year. Told me to make out a list of what I wanted. I was stupid, and went cheap; got a Lee Pro 1000. Which is ok.

Should've asked for a Dillon.

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at March 24, 2019 09:38 PM (C1NyB)



Man, you don't need a Dillon you've got a diamond for a sweet heart. You can't get better than that.

Posted by: Jelly Beans at March 24, 2019 09:47 PM (ePWRo)

352 Weasel, Thanks for the gun thread. Sunday has become my favorite AoSHQ day. Books, food, and guns. Three of the building blocks of a good life.

Posted by: JTB at March 24, 2019 09:47 PM (bmdz3)

353 NZFrank,
A nomenclature question: Do you know what the "L" in L1A1 stands for? L is also used in the model number of the current British Army issue rifle, the bullpup L85. I cannot decipher what L stands for, and it's driving me crazy, because I may have an opportunity to buy an L1A1 built on a US DSA receiver. Thanks.

Posted by: Gref at March 24, 2019 09:48 PM (AMIL/)

354 346 are we going to have bitch slapping?
Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 24, 2019 09:46 PM (KP5rU)


How about fish slapping?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8XeDvKqI4E

Posted by: rickl at March 24, 2019 09:48 PM (sdi6R)

355 Weasel - Thanks for another excellent thread.

Posted by: Spankmeister at March 24, 2019 09:48 PM (dn8lZ)

356 zombie dennis green.


"mueller is who we thought he was."

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 24, 2019 09:48 PM (KP5rU)

357 I have never set up or shot exploding targets but can someone make a significant IED from tannerite ?
Posted by: Can't resist temptation

The rule is that the first person that asks that question is an ATF agent.

Posted by: Jean at March 24, 2019 09:49 PM (25Dt7)

358 Gentlemen. This is a good day. Lets not bicker

Posted by: LASue at March 24, 2019 09:49 PM (XROPS)

359 Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 09:47 PM (ffYR/)
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Thanks - see you next week!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:49 PM (MVjcR)

360 Never carry home-rolled ammo in your carry pistol.
An aggressive prosecutor will accuse you of having extra-deadly ammo specifically built to inflict maximum damage/death.

Always use what the cops use.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 24, 2019 09:08 PM (z79tQ)

I use reloads. It is nothing extra deadly or high speed. I am unconcerned.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at March 24, 2019 09:49 PM (t6MX/)

361 284 you would think that some country that does not have a military would like having armed citizens so they do not have to rely entirely on the largesse of other nations.
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 09:23 PM (MTjB1)


This is hardly a charitable comment aimed at an international visitor, who is currently under some pretty shitty pressure. Pressure I would not want to be under.

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp, or chiefjaybob, or FIRST!!!! or whatever at March 24, 2019 09:50 PM (C1NyB)

362 354; poor fish!

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 24, 2019 09:50 PM (KP5rU)

363 355 Weasel - Thanks for another excellent thread.


Posted by: Spankmeister at March 24, 2019 09:48 PM (dn8lZ)
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Thank you! Appreciate it!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:50 PM (MVjcR)

364 Yeppers, another fine thread, Weasel. Thank'ee, kindly!

And please pass along our thanks to WeaselWoman and WeaselDog for their support of your efforts!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2019 09:50 PM (DMUuz)

365 you would think that some country that does not have a military would like having armed citizens so they do not have to rely entirely on the largesse of other nations.
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 09:23 PM (MTjB1)

This is hardly a charitable comment aimed at an international visitor, who is currently under some pretty shitty pressure. Pressure I would not want to be under.
Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp, or chiefjaybob, or FIRST!!!! or w




how is it not so?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 09:50 PM (MTjB1)

366 Hello.

What time is the ONT?

Posted by: ALH at March 24, 2019 09:51 PM (8wKjk)

367 Graham to Comey, see you soon.


Hmmm

Posted by: Ha at March 24, 2019 09:51 PM (MAstk)

368 Meme at FB of Hillary crying and wailing:
"I'm just so sad about Mueller's upcoming suicide..."

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 24, 2019 09:51 PM (miE9U)

369 The rule is that the first person that asks that question is an ATF agent.
Posted by: Jean at March 24, 2019 09:49 PM (25Dt7)

Heh. Assuming you can, I'm just surprised that I can walk into an Academy and buy a shitload off the shelf.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at March 24, 2019 09:51 PM (2DOZq)

370 I'm out. Tired of stupid.

Weasel, thanks for another great gun thread.

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at March 24, 2019 09:52 PM (C1NyB)

371 I predict: The Dems and CNNMSNBC are going to ignore the Mueller Report and just keep spouting the old lies.

Posted by: JAS at March 24, 2019 09:52 PM (KOCKb)

372 354 346 are we going to have bitch slapping?
Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 24, 2019 09:46 PM (KP5rU)

How about fish slapping?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8XeDvKqI4E
Posted by: rickl at March 24, 2019 09:48 PM (sdi6R)

Now is the time of the show when we dance!

Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2019 09:52 PM (NWiLs)

373 I'm out. Tired of stupid.

Weasel, thanks for another great gun thread.
Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at M


kind of sorry that was the best you could do.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 09:52 PM (MTjB1)

374 352 Weasel, Thanks for the gun thread. Sunday has become my favorite AoSHQ day. Books, food, and guns. Three of the building blocks of a good life.

Posted by: JTB at March 24, 2019 09:47 PM (bmdz3)
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Thanks JTB!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:52 PM (MVjcR)

375 Seriously, what time is the ONT?

Posted by: ALH at March 24, 2019 09:53 PM (8wKjk)

376 Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2019 09:50 PM (DMUuz)
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thanks Duncanthrax!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:53 PM (MVjcR)

377 Weasel at M



so debate no, ad hominem attacks yes?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 09:53 PM (MTjB1)

378 Great job as always Weasel. Thanks!

Posted by: Muad'dib at March 24, 2019 09:53 PM (ydNpi)

379 368: ha! that would be something. poor bastard will probably fall out of a guard tower at one of the camps. drunken suicide.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 24, 2019 09:54 PM (KP5rU)

380 The ONT is usually up around this time. 10pm Eastern.

Posted by: JAS at March 24, 2019 09:54 PM (KOCKb)

381 Weasel at M



nothing?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 09:56 PM (MTjB1)

382 Back after refueling.
Jelly beans, if you were commenting on my shelving skills, the 2x4 amidships was necessary since I had all my empty brass up top before. It was causing quite a catenary(sp?). And often a coronary when I'd knock something off. Now the brass is at ground level, with boolitts up top.
And I did have the drill going in, not out. Learned that from Ace.

Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2019 09:56 PM (tVtan)

383 MSNBC should just have a show called Trump
iS a Big Poopy Pants.


Thats about the level of their fake news coverage.

Posted by: LASue at March 24, 2019 09:56 PM (XROPS)

384 I predict: The Dems and CNNMSNBC are going to ignore the Mueller Report and just keep spouting the old lies.
Posted by: JAS at March 24, 2019 09:52 PM

That would be a bad bet to take. In fact its all they have left. Pathetic fcks.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 24, 2019 09:56 PM (L3YlV)

385 347
I'm old enough to remember, my dad used to buy Chesterfields out of a
coin operated machine at a magazine shop.. They cost a quarter.. The
price was 22 so each pack had 3 brand-new pennies inside the
cellophane.

I remember cig machines for a quarter. That's all gas stations had in their lobby, if you could call it that. Sinclair had dinosaur machines for a quarter too. Put the coin in, pull the knob. Never saw the pennies though, pretty cool.

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 09:57 PM (K22Va)

386 What Y5 doesn't understand is that this is a mannerly thread, folks come here with there Sunday best leather and iron.

Posted by: Jelly Beans at March 24, 2019 09:57 PM (ePWRo)

387 353 NZFrank,
A nomenclature question: Do you know what the "L" in L1A1 stands for? L is also used in the model number of the current British Army issue rifle, the bullpup L85. I cannot decipher what L stands for, and it's driving me crazy, because I may have an opportunity to buy an L1A1 built on a US DSA receiver. Thanks.
Posted by: Gref at March 24, 2019 09:48 PM (AMIL/)


"L" is for "Land Service"

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at March 24, 2019 09:58 PM (di1hb)

388 Ronald Magnus was a nice looking man.

Posted by: ALH at March 24, 2019 09:58 PM (8wKjk)

389 OK - the ONT should be along soon. Thanks for stopping by!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 09:58 PM (MVjcR)

390 NZFrank,
A nomenclature question: Do you know what the "L" in L1A1 stands for? L is also used in the model number of the current British Army issue rifle, the bullpup L85. I cannot decipher what L stands for, and it's driving me crazy, because I may have an opportunity to buy an L1A1 built on a US DSA receiver. Thanks.
Posted by: Gref at March 24, 2019 09:48 PM (AMIL/)

Good question. L stands for Land, as in Land Forces ( UK parlance)

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at March 24, 2019 09:59 PM (bgJ0E)

391 Ronald Magnus was a nice looking man.
Posted by: ALH at March 24, 2019 09:58 PM (8wKjk)


You just like him for his horsey bookend.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 24, 2019 09:59 PM (t+qrx)

392 What Y5 doesn't understand is that this is a mannerly thread, folks come here with there Sunday best leather and iron.
Posted by: Jelly Beans at M



first off, there was nothing unmannerly about my initial comment, though the initial response to it was. second off, it is the hq with hq rules, not the gun thread with its special rules. third, while I have followed the request to discontinue the conversation the editor has been fine with letting someone make ad hominem attacks.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 09:59 PM (MTjB1)

393 "L" is for "Land Service"

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at March 24, 2019 09:58 PM (di1hb)


Thanks! I searched the interwebs and came up with zip on this one.

Posted by: Gref at March 24, 2019 10:00 PM (AMIL/)

394
You just like him for his horsey bookend.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 24, 2019 09:59 PM (t+qrx)


Maybe it's the saddlehorn.

Posted by: ALH at March 24, 2019 10:00 PM (8wKjk)

395 385
I remember cig machines for a quarter. That's all gas stations had in their lobby, if you could call it that. Sinclair had dinosaur machines for a quarter too. Put the coin in, pull the knob. Never saw the pennies though, pretty cool.
Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 09:57 PM (K22Va)


There's a diner around here that has an old-fashioned cigarette machine. It doesn't actually work; it's just there for the decor.

Posted by: rickl at March 24, 2019 10:00 PM (sdi6R)

396 Tanneries does not a good IED make. Unless somebody shoots it with a high-powered rifle

Posted by: In Exile at March 24, 2019 10:01 PM (SDmIR)

397 Hmm, maybe Iron Mike is right ,will have to read a book or two again. L equals Land anyhoo.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at March 24, 2019 10:01 PM (bgJ0E)

398 Thx Weasel. Always the best way to end the weekend.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at March 24, 2019 10:01 PM (NYgVq)

399 wtf, where is Levin?

Posted by: Infidel at March 24, 2019 10:01 PM (9L2du)

400 And before you go, remember:

Hillary will never be president.
George Washington will kill you in your sleep on Christmas.
And America is the greatest country in the world.

Posted by: Jelly Beans at March 24, 2019 10:01 PM (ePWRo)

401 Thx Weasel. Always the best way to end the weekend.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at March 24, 2019 10:01 PM (NYgVq)
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You bet! Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 10:01 PM (MVjcR)

402 Weasel at M



so, that is your editorial decision?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 10:03 PM (MTjB1)

403 ONT is nood

Posted by: Bert G at March 24, 2019 10:03 PM (OMsf+)

404 Nood

ONT

finally

Posted by: ALH at March 24, 2019 10:03 PM (8wKjk)

405 Thanks weasel!

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 10:03 PM (K22Va)

406 405 Thanks weasel!

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 10:03 PM (K22Va)
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you're welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 10:04 PM (MVjcR)

407 Best Trump head video evah!

http://tinyurl.com/y6b36vz6

Posted by: Tami at March 24, 2019 10:04 PM (cF8AT)

408 Weasel at M



not even the suggestion that the ad hominem attacks are not for the gun thread?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 10:05 PM (MTjB1)

409 Good night, Weasel!

Posted by: rickl at March 24, 2019 10:05 PM (sdi6R)

410 LZFrank - my thanks to you, also, for your reply. I wouldn't have guessed "Land" or "Land Service" in a million years, but now it seems obvious.

Posted by: Gref at March 24, 2019 10:06 PM (AMIL/)

411 Weasel at M



you should clarify the rules now so everyone knows better next week and we do not have to discuss it then.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 10:07 PM (MTjB1)

412 omg, tami. Too funny. I scrolled down and spewed wine everywhere at the Trump/Cruz pic.

Posted by: Infidel at March 24, 2019 10:09 PM (9L2du)

413 Thanks and Goodnite Weasel, appreciate your thread as always. We are currently playing a waiting game with the drop kick politicians and their hand madiens the po po, so we just have to wait and see what the end damage is.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at March 24, 2019 10:13 PM (bgJ0E)

414 The primary reason not to use reloads in self defense ammo is that you will get different gunshot residue analysis from factory loads and you cannot then use your records for the reloads to establish what the GSR is for your loads. That can have an effect on distance analyses which in turn can affect your SD claim of reasonableness.

Factory loads and lots can be tested to determine the baseline GSR at a given distance and any hearsay challenge can be met by the defendant if necessary under the Business Records Exception. Generally, self created documentation, such as reloading records, has a hard row to hoe in order to get it into evidence as it is not the record of a regularly established business activity and thus not an exception for the hearsay.

Posted by: whig at March 24, 2019 10:13 PM (Kvi3C)

415 Re. Drilling and tapping the receiver on a Mossberg 88:
The receivers on Mossberg 500s, which have some interchangeable parts with the 88 are made of aluminum.
I would hazard a guess that the receiver of the 88 is aluminum and would be easy to drill and tap. A simple test with a magnet would be a clue.

Since there was a digression regarding C-RATS and included cigarettes:
LSMFT: easy way to help new shooters remember the four rules.

Loose sweaters means floppy tits.

Loose: it's loaded...

Sweaters: ...stupid!

Means: muzzle does not cover anything your are not willing to destroy.

Floppy: finger off the trigger until sights are on target and ready to shoot.

Tits: be sure of your target and what is behind it.

LSMFT probably only works with folks who saw the TV commercials for Lucky Strikes before the ad banning.

Loved my P-38 can opener.

Posted by: Waepnedmann at March 24, 2019 10:33 PM (pJhO9)

416 414 The primary reason not to use reloads in self defense ammo is that you will get different gunshot residue analysis from factory loads and you cannot then use your records for the reloads to establish what the GSR is for your loads. That can have an effect on distance analyses which in turn can affect your SD claim of reasonableness.

Factory loads and lots can be tested to determine the baseline GSR at a given distance and any hearsay challenge can be met by the defendant if necessary under the Business Records Exception. Generally, self created documentation, such as reloading records, has a hard row to hoe in order to get it into evidence as it is not the record of a regularly established business activity and thus not an exception for the hearsay.
Posted by: whig

Andrew?

Posted by: Jean at March 24, 2019 11:03 PM (25Dt7)

417 so much for getting weasel to explain the rules of the gun thread.


there is the hq then there is weasel's hq.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 11:31 PM (MTjB1)

418 you will never get rid of the stench of the double standard.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 24, 2019 11:32 PM (MTjB1)

419 Yeah but what if we start talking about shoes?

Posted by: Jewells45 at March 24, 2019 09:11 PM (dUJdY)

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sabot rounds?

go for it...

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 24, 2019 11:56 PM (rf8q9)

420 Here is the cost savings for reloading rolled up:

I can shoot my reloaded JHP defensive rounds cheaper than I can purchase range ammo. But! I still buy range ammo...for the brass.

I have around 20 WWII and prior rifles in various calibers. I maintain a minimum of 1 combat load for each; 60 rounds. At my last inventory, I had a minimum of 150. That is a lot of ammo.

For my modern rifles, ARs and pistols, I maintain at least 1000 rounds...and not cheap bullets, all expanding hunting rounds or JHPs. There is no way I could afford that without reloading.

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John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
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Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
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The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
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