FOID (Firearm Owners Identification Card) Ruled Unconstitutional In Illinois

Well, this should be interesting! Apparently a judge doesn't think that it is appropriate for the state to tax and regulate our rights protected by the 2nd Amendment to the United States Constitution.

People v. Brown - FOID ruled unconstitutional in IL District Court

Of course Illinois is appealing, and I assume that some judge or judges will eventually find in the state's favor, but if this goes to the United States Supreme Court we have a shot at winning.

Ignoring the patently offensive idea of an FOID, what's the point? Most purchases include an NICS and a 4473, so it's just typical government harassment. And since New Jersey is making noises about jacking up the fees for its own FOID, and requiring regular reapplication (instead of the current lifetime card), I have a vested interest in this case.

Posted by: CBD at 02:15 PM

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1 But it's a tax!

Posted by: Totes Conservative John Roberts at March 24, 2019 02:16 PM (OMsf+)

2 Also, how did I stumble on to a nood and be first?

Posted by: Bert G at March 24, 2019 02:16 PM (OMsf+)

3 Oh, FOID, I thought you said FOAD.

Posted by: Beartooth at March 24, 2019 02:17 PM (5q9y4)

4 I is here, too.

Posted by: Thanatopsis at March 24, 2019 02:18 PM (IKICP)

5 FOID can FOAD.

Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom! Kid at March 24, 2019 02:19 PM (sk0so)

6 So no one can get a FOID, and then no one can buy or own a firearm, and if you don't like it that's another court case and no one can buy or own a firearm until then.

Because we get tax cuts that will expire while the left plays for keeps.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Mexicans are already cutting the barbed wire and reselling it in Mexico at March 24, 2019 02:19 PM (ApUNS)

7 Playing for keeps is not who we are, don'cha know.

Posted by: GOPe at March 24, 2019 02:20 PM (DMUuz)

8

What part of "shall not" do these imbeciles not understand? Also, how do said imbeciles keep finding their way into power?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivism at March 24, 2019 02:21 PM (HaL55)

9 I figured after the McDonald ruling in 2010 that there would be some upheaval in Illinois, but I never expected it to last this long. Plus, "sanctuary gun cities" are interesting concepts.

Posted by: pookysgirl at March 24, 2019 02:21 PM (XKZwp)

10

Well speaking as a member of the Stock Exchange I would suck the judges brains out with a straw, sell the widows and orphans and go into South American Zinc.

Posted by: M K Ultra at March 24, 2019 02:21 PM (UFLLM)

11 Yea, but Illinois is still trying to kill gun ownership in other ways. They just enacted new laws and fees on gun shops. Pritzker is going to bury this state.

Posted by: Cheribebe at March 24, 2019 02:21 PM (fnWQo)

12 Whatever it is, it's for the chirruns.

Posted by: The Libtard Hive Mind at March 24, 2019 02:23 PM (EgshT)

13 Good - Thing 2 is assigned to Scott AFB and he refuses to get a FOID (his Mom, aunts, uncles, cousins, brothers live across the river in MO) and keeps his shootin' irons in Missouri at his Moms.

Now he might be able to have his possessions IN his possession.

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at March 24, 2019 02:23 PM (gMngZ)

14 Holy balls. I just shit myself.

So will the commies in this state.

One of the big, new, common-sense gun laws they're pushing in the wake of the Aurora shooting was to change the FOID fees from $10 for a 10 year card, to $100 for a 5 year card.

Man, if this sticks, I'm going to be drunk for a long time.

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at March 24, 2019 02:24 PM (C1NyB)

15 I live near the Iowa border and I need a FOID card to buy ammo in IA.

Posted by: Radar at March 24, 2019 02:26 PM (j3rGv)

16 Remember when that clerk in Kentucky was jailed because The Gay Marriage was suddenly deemed legal but she didn't have the legislative power to change the wording on the forms that she was elected to oversee, and the full weight of the federal government came down on her via a vindictive judge and a bunch of non-residents that just had to get married in her district?

That sort of thing is going to happen here, right NRA?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - The Mexicans are already cutting the barbed wire and reselling it in Mexico at March 24, 2019 02:26 PM (ApUNS)

17 What guns, officer?

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 02:26 PM (MVjcR)

18

Yea, but Illinois is still trying to kill gun ownership in other ways.
They just enacted new laws and fees on gun shops. Pritzker is going to
bury this state.

Let me guess: Pritzker is a "proud Progressive." It's for this reason and a metric fuckton of others, that we need to #PurgeProgressivism. Progs will take away every single right we have if we don't start getting these idiots out of power ASAP.
What will it take before the voting populace understands that "progressive values" means "their absolute power" and that they do not recognize any limits to that?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivism at March 24, 2019 02:27 PM (HaL55)

19 OT sorta, Clive Bundy had all charges dismissed as the Obama judge thought the prosecution was out of bounds hiding evidence and too aggressive with the charges.

Makes one ponder if tides are starting to turn?

Posted by: Cheribebe at March 24, 2019 02:30 PM (fnWQo)

20 Pritzker is nothing but a puppet. Do not be fooled. He-- and all the politics of this state-- are run by Mike Madagan (and whoever runs Madagan).

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at March 24, 2019 02:30 PM (C1NyB)

21 CBD want a protip from me? MOVE.

I am kinda stuck but your not - well ok your mom does kinda stick you here.

Nevermind

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 02:31 PM (Y+V3r)

22 I think I just came.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2019 02:32 PM (NWiLs)

23 No way it'll stand in this fvcking state. Pritzker as Gov and Lightfoot soon to be mayor of Chicago, we're shitty with proud progressives.

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 02:32 PM (K22Va)

24 Oh please, Pritzker is a Democrat puppet that the jerks in Chicago elected. He and Madison are going to bend us over hard. They already want to raise the gas tax by 19 cents and they want to increase the income tax as well. Fukkrz

Posted by: Cheribebe at March 24, 2019 02:32 PM (fnWQo)

25 Please let this thing get to SCOTUS, and we'll see then what Roberts can call it.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at March 24, 2019 02:34 PM (+fPHo)

26
Oh please, Pritzker is a Democrat puppet that the jerks in Chicago elected. He and Madison are going to bend us over hard. They already want to raise the gas tax by 19 cents and they want to increase the income tax as well. Fukkrz
Posted by: Cheribebe

Aren't they going to usher in utopia with marijuana and gambling ?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 24, 2019 02:34 PM (aKsyK)

27
Smartest thing my daughter and family did was get the hell out of 'jersey. They now live in a home three times the size and pay about 10% of the 'jersey real estate taxes.

New Jersey is never going to change. Without resorting to suitcase nukes y'all are screwed with a boot on your face forever.

Posted by: Newest Nic at March 24, 2019 02:35 PM (jYje5)

28 24 They already want to raise the gas tax by 19 cents and they want to increase the income tax as well. Fukkrz
Posted by: Cheribebe at March 24, 2019 02:32 PM (fnWQo)

Or as we call it in California, "Tuesday."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 24, 2019 02:38 PM (zmxYi)

29 SQUIRT!!!!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 24, 2019 02:38 PM (cqNba)

30 These People's republics need to get slapped down hard, if only the SC had enough conservative votes and would take a case about 2nd A rights.

Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2019 02:38 PM (BbGew)

31 Oh, FOID, I thought you said FOAD.
Posted by: Beartooth at March 24, 2019 02:17 PM (5q9y4)

Fuck Off, Illinois Democrats

Posted by: Vanya at March 24, 2019 02:39 PM (7PLM4)

32 BREAKING: Congress to be briefed on Mueller report Sunday evening - The Hill

Posted by: Deep State in DEEP SHIT at March 24, 2019 02:39 PM (BqBId)

33 Illinois.

Where dreams go to die.

Glad that judge pulled their punk card.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 24, 2019 02:39 PM (Z+IKu)

34 Aren't they going to usher in utopia with marijuana and gambling ?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 24, 2019 02:34 PM (aKsyK)

Nothing builds a strong, healthy society quite like marijuana and gambling.

If it's any consolation, they'll probably screw that up too. California thought utopia was nigh when it legalized marijuana, but they added so many regulations and so much tax that the illicit market still thrives, and the state is collecting bupkis in tax.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 24, 2019 02:40 PM (zmxYi)

35 i fucking hate illinois nazis.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 24, 2019 02:40 PM (KP5rU)

36 Oh, I read the link. The ruling is about needing a FOID *in the home*.

Because, believe me, Connecticut is as restrictive as you'd want it to be. Submitted Permit application on August 28, called the officer on December 11 and again two weeks ago and in each case he said he was almost done and would get back to me next week.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2019 02:40 PM (fuK7c)

37 Oh please, Pritzker is a Democrat puppet that the jerks in Chicago elected. He and Madison are going to bend us over hard. They already want to raise the gas tax by 19 cents and they want to increase the income tax as well. Fukkrz
Posted by: Cheribebe at March 24, 2019 02:32 PM (fnWQo)

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They already jacked the income tax 50% in one midnight Christmas vote a few years ago. They lost residents as a result, causing a shortfall. They can't help it, they have backed themselves into a corner where tax increases is their only option. They can't attract new residents and businesses while they are in this self created death spiral.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 02:41 PM (ffYR/)

38
BREAKING: Congress to be briefed on Mueller report Sunday evening - The Hill
Posted by: Deep State in DEEP SHIT

Will Chick-fil-A be serving sammiches?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 24, 2019 02:42 PM (aKsyK)

39 watching Hacksaw Ridge on the History Channel. Vince Vaughn rules. So does Mel Gibson.

Posted by: vivi at March 24, 2019 02:42 PM (11H2y)

40 22
I think I just came.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 24, 2019 02:32 PM (NWiLs)

In a related note, some dudes were scraping antibodies off of Raquel Welch's boobs just now in "Fantastic Voyage" on FXM.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at March 24, 2019 02:42 PM (ufFY8)

41
17 What guns, officer?

Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2019 02:26 PM (MVjcR)

THIS

Posted by: Infidel at March 24, 2019 02:43 PM (9L2du)

42 BREAKING: Congress to be briefed on Mueller report Sunday evening - The Hill
Posted by: Deep State in DEEP SHIT

Will Chick-fil-A be serving sammiches?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 24, 2019 02:42 PM (aKsyK)

Not on Sunday

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 02:44 PM (Y+V3r)

43 Illinois Considers Ditching Its Flat Income Tax

https://tinyurl.com/yxkl9ctm (WSJ behind paywall)

Illinois faces a $3.2 billion budget deficit next fiscal year, unfunded pension liabilities estimated from $133 billion to $250 billion, and the worst credit rating of any U.S. state. It has roughly $8 billion in bills outstanding. Making the tax change requires a constitutional amendment and voter approval.

Moody’s Investors Service and S&P rate the state’s debt just one notch above junk status, and Illinois has the worst credit rating of any state at both ratings firms, as well as at Fitch.

I wish they wouldn't publish stuff like this, the California legislature just takes it as a challenge.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 24, 2019 02:44 PM (zmxYi)

44 They already jacked the income tax 50% in one midnight Christmas vote a
few years ago. They lost residents as a result, causing a shortfall.
They can't help it, they have backed themselves into a corner where tax
increases is their only option. They can't attract new residents and
businesses while they are in this self created death spiral.

They're about to tax private pensions to pay for the money they stole from state pensions.

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 02:46 PM (K22Va)

45 I grew up in Chicago with my parents, and four brothers and sisters. We all have two things in common: None of us are Democrats, and none of us live in Illinois anymore.

Posted by: Vanya at March 24, 2019 02:48 PM (7PLM4)

46 Late last week heard some airport terminal will not have a Chick-fil-a because of there anti ghey stance or some such crap.

Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2019 02:48 PM (BbGew)

47
They're about to tax private pensions to pay for the money they stole from state pensions.

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 02:46 PM

So, should I take part of my 401k and pay off the mortgage? Dad wanted to do this, but I didn't see the wisdom of it at the time.

Posted by: Infidel at March 24, 2019 02:49 PM (9L2du)

48 OT: Larry Cohen died.

He was the writer director responsible for low budget but well made horror movies, such as-

The Stuff
It's Alive!
Q
God Told Me To

among some more mainstream work as a writer.

One of the old-style, hard-working independent film makers.

R.I.P.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 24, 2019 02:49 PM (9X624)

49

These People's republics need to get slapped down hard, if only the SC
had enough conservative votes and would take a case about 2nd A rights.

It goes without saying (or at least is should) that having our freedoms depend on some unelected gaggle of judges opinions is wrong. Our Founders never would have stood for that.

Our freedoms should be strongly defended and absolute to the point where they would never need to be challenged by progressives who wish to strip us of them by any means necessary.
Government needs restrictions, a line beyond which they cannot go and will not be allowed to go. "No" should mean "no" in no uncertain terms.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivism at March 24, 2019 02:49 PM (HaL55)

50 Late last week heard some airport terminal will not have a Chick-fil-a because of there anti ghey stance or some such crap.
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2019 02:48 PM (BbGew)

San Antonio in the deep blue state of Texas?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 02:50 PM (Y+V3r)

51 Deerfield Illinois' sneaky assault weapons ban (they illegally tried to amend an existing statute) got nipped by a judge on Friday as well.

Posted by: corn and beans at March 24, 2019 02:50 PM (tkNkP)

52 46 Late last week heard some airport terminal will not have a Chick-fil-a because of there anti ghey stance or some such crap.
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2019 02:48 PM (BbGew)

San Antonio.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 24, 2019 02:50 PM (zmxYi)

53 As a New York City resident with the extremely rare NYC firearms permit, I find this to be an interesting story as well.

I don't so much mind the 12 months (and 2 days) it took me to get it, or the $1,200 in legal advice the paperwork required, or the fees for the permit. I don't mind that they asked to see my complete driving record from every state who has ever issued me a driver's license since 1980. I don't even mind the mandatory registration of the gun. (Well actually I do mind all those things, but complaining doesn't get me anywhere.)

But the part that really annoys me is that the transfer laws are so strict, that I can't take anyone to my local Manhattan shooting range and let them try out my lovely G30S with a Trijicon RMR, unless they too have a permit. I am also annoyed that if I bring 2 boxes of ammo to the range and buy another to shoot while there without using one up first, I have committed a separate crime of ammunition hoarding.

NJ is tough. I have a relative who is a mayor in a deep red county and another who is a superior judge, and still couldn't get a carry permit. (That's how many things are just done in NJ) But at least when I was there I could bring 5 guys to CJRPC and shoot all day without having to get FFL's to sign off every time someone wanted to take a turn at shooting.

Posted by: Tom at March 24, 2019 02:50 PM (s0h8C)

54 The hate-chicken banners are in San Antonio's airport.

Posted by: andycanuck at March 24, 2019 02:50 PM (Dh1wo)

55 Pritzker's big thing now is building infrastructure ... so we will need to pay his union and construction mobsters double or triple the real cost ... to build roads they have maybe neglected ... to attract more business to their mob city. That means all the little people may need to take out second mortgages ... cuz the mob must be paid. imo

Posted by: illiniwek at March 24, 2019 02:50 PM (Cus5s)

56 Late last week heard some airport terminal will not have a Chick-fil-a because of there anti ghey stance or some such crap.
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2019 02:48 PM (BbGew)

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Except CFA does not have an anti gay stance. They are, by the founder and family's religious beliefs, pro SSM. They have no issues with gay or whatever working with them at any level.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 02:51 PM (ffYR/)

57 They're about to tax private pensions to pay for the money they stole from state pensions.

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 02:46 PM

So, should I take part of my 401k and pay off the mortgage? Dad wanted to do this, but I didn't see the wisdom of it at the time.
Posted by: Infidel at March 24, 2019 02:49 PM (9L2du)

I was incensed when I first read that, but then realized that they don't mean taxing holdings, but rather taxing disbursements from 401(k)s as ordinary income, something that a lot of states - including California, natch - do already.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 24, 2019 02:52 PM (zmxYi)

58 I'm going OT since I'm leaving in ten minutes.

I'm going to see the Apollo 11 documentary.

I haven't enjoyed a movie I've seen in theaters in the last two years, but this one looks awesome.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 24, 2019 02:53 PM (fuK7c)

59 Why don't they just go the distance... send a team of archeologists and theologians to the Holy Land, find out what the mark of Cain was, and tattoo that on our foreheads?

FOID. Feh.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 24, 2019 02:54 PM (5aX2M)

60 Sure would be a shame if San Assholio lost any of that sweet, sweet federal loot they get in the form of scam grants and such for discrimination.

Maybe the DOJ should take over the airport.

Senator Cruz should look into that.....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 24, 2019 02:54 PM (Z+IKu)

61 My BIL from NJ retired here to north PA. He was all worried about bringing his guns from NJ. I told him just drive west over the Delaware river and he'd be good, as long as he stayed away from Philadelphia..

Posted by: Cosda at March 24, 2019 02:55 PM (feL2f)

62 So, should I take part of my 401k and pay off the mortgage? Dad wanted
to do this, but I didn't see the wisdom of it at the time.

Hell, I don't know what to do and I can't leave yet. I'm hearing they're inventing taxes to discourage selling your house. I'll probably have to fvcking BUY my way out of this crooked shithole.

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 02:55 PM (K22Va)

63 "I wish they wouldn't publish stuff like this, the California legislature just takes it as a challenge.Posted by: Deplorable Jay

ha, well Illinois has produced Capone and Alinsky learned from him ... and we raised Obama and Hillary in the commie capital of the US ... Chicagoland. Even Caterpillar is trying to leave the state ... The rest of the state is also wanting to leave, maybe join the surrounding states.

California has its "accomplishments" for the left as well ... but much nicer weather and scenery.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 24, 2019 02:56 PM (Cus5s)

64 They already want to raise the gas tax by 19 cents and.....

*****

The Dems must be working off the same memo nationwide. Washington State Dems want to increase gas taxes by 19 cents as well.
Coordinated effort?

Posted by: Diogenes at March 24, 2019 02:57 PM (0tfLf)

65 ==I was incensed when I first read that, but then realized that they don't mean taxing holdings, but rather taxing disbursements from 401(k)s as ordinary income, something that a lot of states - including California, natch - do already.==

Oh, please stay incensed. You cannot even begin to imagine the number of retirees who will be leaving IL if this happens. Many retirees have other sources of income besides IRAs and pensions (rental property, agriculture, part time jobs for example ) and that income tax will also be lost to the state when they leave.

Posted by: corn and beans at March 24, 2019 02:57 PM (tkNkP)

66 So, should I take part of my 401k and pay off the mortgage? Dad wanted to do this, but I didn't see the wisdom of it at the time.
Posted by: Infidel at March 24, 2019 02:49 PM (9L2du)
------------

My wife and I used part of a 401K to pay off our house.

No house or car payments and I'm retiring in 10 months..but who's counting...the hit in income will be more than offset through having everything paid for.

Posted by: Blake - used vacation salesman at March 24, 2019 02:58 PM (WEBkv)

67 Hell, I don't know what to do and I can't leave yet. I'm hearing they're inventing taxes to discourage selling your house. I'll probably have to fvcking BUY my way out of this crooked shithole.
Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 02:55 PM (K22Va)

A member of California's ~~Politburo~~ legislature proposed a 10% tax on the sale price of a house if the kulak failed to buy another house in the Glorious People's Republic.

It didn't pass, in fact didn't come to a vote, but it shows how they're thinking.

They called it an "exit tax." "Ransom" is such an ugly word.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 24, 2019 02:59 PM (zmxYi)

68 no don't use the 401k to pay off the house.....that money will grow in the 401k

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 24, 2019 03:01 PM (0O7c5)

69 They called it an "exit tax." "Ransom" is such an ugly word.

That's the one. Bastids are reading from the same playbook.

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 03:02 PM (K22Va)

70 They called it an "exit tax." "Ransom" is such an ugly word.

That's the one. Bastids are reading from the same playbook.
Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 03:02 PM (K22Va)

Ya know who else did that?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 03:03 PM (Y+V3r)

71

A member of California's Politburo legislature proposed a 10% tax
on the sale price of a house if the kulak failed to buy another house
in the Glorious People's Republic.

Um, what kind of public hue and cry was there for that legislation?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivism at March 24, 2019 03:03 PM (HaL55)

72 San Antonio in the deep blue state of Texas?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 02:50 PM (Y+V3r)

San Antonio, Dallas, Houston and Austin are all run by Dems.

Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at March 24, 2019 03:04 PM (P4Pk9)

73 No do NOT put IRA money in your home. Since property Taxes and most taxes in IL are going up, home values are decreasing.

Sell now and get out.

Posted by: Czech Chick at March 24, 2019 03:04 PM (RZeKZ)

74 Another real concern is who's going to buy all the houses that all the people fleeing Illinois will want to sell?

Posted by: corn and beans at March 24, 2019 03:05 PM (tkNkP)

75 Yes, pay off the mortgage. They can still take it from you, if you get too far behind in the property taxes.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 24, 2019 03:05 PM (Lqy/e)

76 First it was Austin, then Dallas. Then you heard from Houston and now San Antonio. El Paso went huge for Beto. What is next, Lubbock? The numbers are starting to not at up to RED.

I don't know a legal way to reign in these cities but the governor might want to ease up on begging Californios to move in.

Posted by: Quint at March 24, 2019 03:05 PM (n13/j)

77 "shall not be infringed"
Always important to remember and remind the other side:

The Second Amendment is not about hunting, competition, sport, crime or militias.

It's about arming we the People against a tyrannical government.

Posted by: mikeyG at March 24, 2019 03:05 PM (LL1Be)

78 Sales tax is around 10 1/2 %. I bought a book from DePaul University that ended up costing me more than if I bought it from the author in England.

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 03:06 PM (K22Va)

79 Um, what kind of public hue and cry was there for that legislation?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivism at March 24, 2019 03:03 PM (HaL55)

There was none. The Central Committee shushed him immediately for letting the cat out of the bag so blatantly.

Their philosophy is "softly, softly, catchee monkey."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 24, 2019 03:06 PM (zmxYi)

80 Um, what kind of public hue and cry was there for that legislation?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivism at March 24, 2019 03:03 PM (HaL55)

Wouldn't be surprised if some interest was shown from the crabs at the bottom of the pot.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 24, 2019 03:06 PM (t+qrx)

81 30 to 45 minutes until go time.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2019 03:07 PM (/tuJf)

82 On a very local radio station here in Pa there is a commercial for a fire arms instructor and classes in NJ, but you can't take a fire arm from Pa into the People's republic of NJ legally. So assume they would need to supply the weapons.

Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2019 03:07 PM (BbGew)

83 Sudden thought:

So the Muller investigations ends not with a bang but a squeaky little fuzzy rabbit fart.

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at March 24, 2019 03:08 PM (T09ml)

84 But the Democrats will keep on their death march.

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at March 24, 2019 03:08 PM (T09ml)

85
Another real concern is who's going to buy all the houses that all the people fleeing Illinois will want to sell?
Posted by: corn and beans at March 24, 2019 03:05 PM (tkNkP)

I will. Four dollars, final offer.

Posted by: Vanya at March 24, 2019 03:08 PM (7PLM4)

86 ***68 no don't use the 401k to pay off the house.....that money will grow in the 401k
****
Using a big chunk of 401k while you still have a good income might put you in a tax bracket you won't like.
Run the numbers carefully first. You may want to wait until after first year of retirement to use it. Also the 401k might be a better investment as phoenixgirl mentioned.

Posted by: Cosda at March 24, 2019 03:08 PM (feL2f)

87 Sell now and get out.
Posted by: Czech Chick at March 24, 2019 03:04 PM (RZeKZ)

Yep.

Get. Out. Of. Illinois.

Posted by: Ha at March 24, 2019 03:08 PM (MAstk)

88 I got my FOID right here. It says, among other things, "shall not be infringed."

So, FOID can FOAD... oh, I see that one was used as early as comment #3. Well, it was pretty obvious.

Posted by: skybal webworker, in a Constitutional Carry state at March 24, 2019 03:09 PM (GvEen)

89 74
Another real concern is who's going to buy all the houses that all the people fleeing Illinois will want to sell?

Section 8 housing for the dindo nuffin's until it's all burned down.

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 03:09 PM (K22Va)

90
There's arguments on both sides of paying down debt before retirement vs building cash reserves. Split the baby.

Posted by: Solomon at March 24, 2019 03:09 PM (jYje5)

91 Let me know when a woman has to get an abortion license, something NOT in the Bill of Rights.

Posted by: Blago at March 24, 2019 03:10 PM (UfkIY)

92 Another real concern is who's going to buy all the houses that all the people fleeing Illinois will want to sell?

Well there is another option IF your in a position to shit on your credit ratinig:

Max out your leverage in the house and then walk away

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 03:10 PM (Y+V3r)

93 30 to 45 minutes until go time.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2019 03:07 PM (/tuJf

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Congressional briefing or summary to the public?

Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 03:10 PM (ffYR/)

94 It's Chick-fil-A for lunch Monday. I'll be there before 11:30, caused any time later they will be too damned crowded. Every time some piece of shit judge gives them a load of crap it only makes more customers for em. Progressives are such dunces.

Posted by: Lump at March 24, 2019 03:10 PM (0/t7+)

95 And on the theme of "if it moves, tax it" a dusky recent arrival from Chicago here in Cali wants Prop. 13 repealed (it's a constitutional amendment) because "the white people have locked up all the goodies" in their home equity, and she too wants to "share in the California dream."

Just not by working for it, that's all. She favors expropriating it from the honkies.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 24, 2019 03:11 PM (zmxYi)

96 Just an Moron FYI repeat.

Griffith IN (of those clodhoppers in Griffith fame) is a few miles east of the border and has a charcuterie between 2 gun stores on Main St.

Posted by: DaveA at March 24, 2019 03:11 PM (FhXTo)

97 The money in the 401k has restrictions on how you can use it and growth depends on the funds you have it invested in. Housing prices also go up. And it's really one of those things we should try to achieve. Remember how, during the housing crash, the banks served eviction notices on some people that didn't have a mortgage? Pay the place off and own it outright.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 24, 2019 03:11 PM (Lqy/e)

98

There was none. The Central Committee shushed him immediately for letting the cat out of the bag so blatantly.

Their philosophy is "softly, softly, catchee monkey."

That's what I thought. That's Progressivism for ya. Instead of defending your interests, progressive government comes at you to take away what you have.
It shouldn't work that way, needless to say.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivism at March 24, 2019 03:11 PM (HaL55)

99 Democrats are just assuming the ball is being handed off from Mueller to them

Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2019 03:12 PM (BbGew)

100 >>Congressional briefing or summary to the public?

Yes, according to Fox.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2019 03:13 PM (/tuJf)

101 So, should I take part of my 401k and pay off the mortgage? Dad wanted to do this, but I didn't see the wisdom of it at the time.
Posted by: Infidel

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Probably not, you'd have to pay taxes on taking a large chunk out.

I think the "exception" if for a first time home owner.

If they ever go after 401ks, it's going to be a political shit storm.

Posted by: Blago at March 24, 2019 03:13 PM (UfkIY)

102 It's Chick-fil-A for lunch Monday. I'll be there
before 11:30, caused any time later they will be too damned crowded.
Every time some piece of shit judge gives them a load of crap it only
makes more customers for em. Progressives are such dunces.

Posted by: Lump at March 24, 2019 03:10 PM (0/t7+)

They tried to beat them in the market of ideas. But Chick Fil A does gang busters in Blue cities. They can only beat them by outright bans.

Posted by: Quint at March 24, 2019 03:14 PM (n13/j)

103 Will Chick-fil-A be serving sammiches?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 24, 2019 02:42 PM (aKsyK)

Sunday. They're closed.*

*Except for natural disasters.

Posted by: Fox 2! at March 24, 2019 03:14 PM (MwFQu)

104 Anyone think Trump already knows?

Posted by: Ha at March 24, 2019 03:14 PM (MAstk)

105 Who needs Sanctuary Gun cities? In SC the "Castle Doctrine" applies to my vehicle.

Posted by: JAS at March 24, 2019 03:14 PM (KOCKb)

106 OT: re: palstic bags

Aren't these retards going to look silly trying to Killing Fields people with paper bags.

Posted by: DaveA at March 24, 2019 03:15 PM (FhXTo)

107 103 Will Chick-fil-A be serving sammiches?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 24, 2019 02:42 PM (aKsyK)

Sunday. They're closed.*

*Except for natural disasters.
Posted by: Fox 2! at March 24, 2019 03:14 PM (MwFQu)

Mueller has been a national disaster

Posted by: In Exile at March 24, 2019 03:15 PM (SDmIR)

108 This thread is a very good excuse to start drinking.

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 03:16 PM (K22Va)

109 Illinois carry is a great group. I've tried to help out a bit here and there with some of the local village bans.

However, for the anti 2nd Stuff that is otherwise ramping up (and having tried to fight it going on 15 years now) and the pension debt with no relief other than takes I will also be trying to sell the house and move to Wisconsin in a year or so if I can pull it off.

Posted by: Keith at March 24, 2019 03:16 PM (jdGlx)

110 Another real concern is who's going to buy all the houses that all the people fleeing Illinois will want to sell?
Posted by: corn and beans at March 24, 2019 03:05 PM (tkNkP)

Lots of folks in Somalia, Syria and Detroit need good homes paid for by the Looters in D.C.

But I repeat myself.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 24, 2019 03:16 PM (Z+IKu)

111 If they ever go after 401ks, it's going to be a political shit storm.
Posted by: Blago at March 24, 2019 03:13 PM (UfkIY)

Here's how they'll do it. They'll claim that the stock market is so dangerous and volatile that they can't let people take all that risk.

Instead, they'll require people to put, say 10% of their holdings in those safe safe Federal and/or state government bonds. Essentially a forced loan. But it's for your own good, comrade.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 24, 2019 03:17 PM (zmxYi)

112
Hell, I don't know what to do and I can't leave yet. I'm hearing they're inventing taxes to discourage selling your house. I'll probably have to fvcking BUY my way out of this crooked shithole.

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 02:55 PM (K22Va)

I got lucky, sorta. Dad QC'd the family home to all three of us. Except, I'm on the mortg. and I didn't realize he had an ARM. I sold my place and almost cleared enough to pay off little bro cause he doesn't want to live in CO. Profits from my place are tax free bc It was my main residence for 10 (more) yrs. The refi will be tricky since little bro isn't allowed to speak with me anymore.

Posted by: Infidel at March 24, 2019 03:17 PM (9L2du)

113 Anyone think Trump already knows?
Posted by: Ha

__________

yes, which is why he's already started to troll with his tweets like "good morning" MAGA, etc.

His AG has to fill him in first.

Posted by: Blago at March 24, 2019 03:17 PM (UfkIY)

114 My brother bought a house just north of Detroit about 15 years ago. Got a great deal. He has sincexdiedcand his wife can't give the place away. She is stuck there.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 24, 2019 03:17 PM (0tfLf)

115 Anyone think Trump already knows?
Posted by: Ha at March 24, 2019 03:14 PM (MAstk)

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As I understand it, reporting rules require that the President's office receive the report a period of time before Congress/Public get it so they can form a response.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 03:18 PM (ffYR/)

116 Sunday. They're closed.*

*Except for natural disasters.
Posted by: Fox 2! at March 24, 2019 03:14 PM (MwFQu)

They've visited SF and LA, right? So Chik-fil-A should be open Sundays here in Cali.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 24, 2019 03:18 PM (zmxYi)

117 CBD thanks for using the right word, which I always use - "harassment" of gun owners. It's ridiculous. Nothing to do with public safety, or "common sense", of any kind.

And actually, though such harassment and stupid unconstitutional actions started fairly recently in US history, they probably are the leading *modern* example of the collapse of the constitution and rule of law.

It's very simple. It's right there in black and white. The 2nd was written in a categorical fashion. There is no serious or good-faith way to fit almost *any* guvamint restrictions on the citizenry's right to keep/bear arms in the constitutional order.

Perhaps that's a problem, perhaps some amendment to the constitution is required (nah - just making the key logical point). But the vast landscape of restrictions and bans is the definition of unconstitutional, with the constitution as written. Obviously. To pretend otherwise puts one right in the lawless, civic vandal category into which most of the legal cult falls (absurd artificial concepts and "doctrines", factitious algorithms of "scrutiny" - all just obvious, and not very clever, excuses for rewriting the constitution and existing laws, without bothering with things like amendments or legislation).

Posted by: rhomboid at March 24, 2019 03:19 PM (QDnY+)

118 32 BREAKING: Congress to be briefed on Mueller report Sunday evening - The Hill
Posted by: Deep State in DEEP SHIT at March 24, 2019 02:39 PM (BqBId)

It will be interesting to see just who does - and who does not - show up.

If they DON'T show up, they can spout off all kinds of absurdities about what "might" be in there for a long time to come.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at March 24, 2019 03:20 PM (uDcBt)

119 Ya know, we need to spread the false rumor that IL and CA have each formed a cleaner unit. To specifically clean their pension rolls of the highest $ amount takers.

The dis-enrolled ones. Here's to ya.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 24, 2019 03:22 PM (u82oZ)

120
I'm still pissed off that Obama got lower interest rates during his entire reign of error and Trump gets in and it's *pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow* of increases.

I carried a little more debt into retirement then I would have liked. It's not killer territory, but each bump in interest rates is pulling an extra twenty five dollars out of my wallet every month.

Meanwhile the school district, who I pay about 10k a year to, is bitching that they haven't had an increase in over a decade. No shit, Sherlock. You destroyed about half of our town last time.

I saw all of the certified notices sitting atop a file cabinet in West Chester. Tens of thousands of them. Nice work.

Posted by: Newest Nic at March 24, 2019 03:22 PM (jYje5)

121 IL public union pension promises were always outrageous ... they passed a law that they had to be fully funded ... later after breakinng that law, passed a law that we schmucks had to pay, even if they failed to fund them. crazy ....

but that is IL mafia ... they figured out they can use government to rob good people blind, and moderately enrich their teachers unions and others that serve their klan. They laugh at little people that struggle ... "fuck you pay me" ... the Chicago Mob motto, running the state probably since Capone, idk.

some judge ruled the pensions can't be reduced ... force peopel to sell their property instead, but those Dem mob promises must be fully funded so teachers can retire early on six figures, full health bennies ... and no performance standards, don't even think of trying to fire a crap teacher.

war will be justified and cheered, if these puckers are ever take down Tommy Gun style. but more likely, people will leave, industry will leave ... then the scum can buy everything I guess.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 24, 2019 03:22 PM (Cus5s)

122 Posted by: rhomboid at March 24, 2019 03:19 PM (QDnY+)

The infuriating thing is that the progs are scratching where it doesn't itch. People who will jump through all those hoops are NOT the problem with gun violence.

Conversely, the people ARE the problem with gun violence couldn't be bothered. Now where are such people? Here's a hint: what demographic has the leading cause of death of males 15-35 as homicide?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 24, 2019 03:23 PM (zmxYi)

123 However, for the anti 2nd Stuff that is otherwise ramping up (and having tried to fight it going on 15 years now) and the pension debt with no relief other than takes I will also be trying to sell the house and move to Wisconsin in a year or so if I can pull it off.
Posted by: Keith at March 24, 2019 03:16 PM (jdGlx)

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I have a sister in IL who is about to retire as a public Educator (at 53). She has pulled every Dem vote lever ever offered to her. They bought a second house in WI about 5 years and they are planning on running there after retirement to escape what she has voted for her whole life.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 03:23 PM (ffYR/)

124 114 diogenes:

where?

pleasant ridge? ferndale?

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 24, 2019 03:23 PM (Pg+x7)

125 Have not checked any expert assessment of the tactical situation now WRT SCOTUS finally stepping and erasing the edifice of absurdly unconstitutional gun laws across the land. But that remains about the only hope. Yeah yeah maybe some circuits will start to become lawful again, with Trump's personnel changes. But gun laws are a distinctive, and distinctively indefensible, example of lawlessness. Since the 2nd is incorporated against the states, current gun laws are the exact equivalent of "speech licenses" to exercise 1st amdt rights.

The country desperately needs two more SCOTUS vacancies, pronto, and Scalia-or-better replacements. Kind of like having to win every game left on the schedule to make the playoffs, I fear. Possible, but uncommon.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 24, 2019 03:23 PM (QDnY+)

126 Late last week heard some airport terminal will not have a Chick-fil-a because of there anti ghey stance or some such crap.
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2019 02:48 PM (BbGew)

I think that was San Antonio. You know, I could support not having that restaurant at airport terminals for one good reason: airports are 24/7 operations these days, and having one of the restaurants in the limited space available for such in airport terminals means that those who have to travel on sundays have their choice limited.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2019 03:24 PM (nPGq2)

127 We are being invaded by the third world at the hands of our elected officials. they think they will be eaten last. . . . .

Posted by: Infidel at March 24, 2019 03:26 PM (9L2du)

128 People fleeing liberal blue shitholes like Chicago, NJ and Cali are the reason that Stacy Abrams was so close in the Georgia governor's race.

Plagues of locusts.

Posted by: mikeyG at March 24, 2019 03:26 PM (LL1Be)

129 Stirling Hills? Did the American Motors plant close?

Oh. I mean Chrysler.

Posted by: JAS at March 24, 2019 03:27 PM (KOCKb)

130 123; she will get it good and hard here too. evers is pritzker lite. there's not a tax that lowlife fucker isn't in love with. the guy will fuck this state up for good.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 24, 2019 03:28 PM (KP5rU)

131 WHY AM I NOT 50 POINTS AHEAD YOU MIGHT ASK!!?!??

Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2019 03:29 PM (/tuJf)

132
You know, I could support not having that restaurant at airport terminals for one good reason: airports are 24/7 operations these days, and having one of the restaurants in the limited space available for such in airport terminals means that those who have to travel on sundays have their choice limited.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2019 03:24 PM

Disagree. Nobody needs that many choices in airport dining. In fact the government should shut them all down and set up one government run entity.

Posted by: Bernie Sanders - Avowed Socialist at March 24, 2019 03:29 PM (jYje5)

133 yeah but that wasn't the reason. The think is, it is cool that people want to support Chick Fil A. But they don't need our support Chick Fil A runs circles around other fast food chains.

https://tinyurl.com/yxve7e5a
what we need is to find a way to protect them from a government enforced blacklist.

Posted by: Quint at March 24, 2019 03:29 PM (n13/j)

134
Instead, they'll require people to put, say 10% of their holdings in those safe safe Federal and/or state government bonds. Essentially a forced loan. But it's for your own good, comrade.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Diversity Bonds.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 24, 2019 03:29 PM (aKsyK)

135

Perhaps that's a problem, perhaps some amendment to the constitution is
required (nah - just making the key logical point). But the vast
landscape of restrictions and bans is the definition of
unconstitutional, with the constitution as written. Obviously. To
pretend otherwise puts one right in the lawless, civic vandal category
into which most of the legal cult falls (absurd artificial concepts and
"doctrines", factitious algorithms of "scrutiny" - all just obvious, and
not very clever, excuses for rewriting the constitution and existing
laws, without bothering with things like amendments or legislation).

You misspelled "progressivism."
And yeah, I'm going to whomp on this for a while. We have a serious, clear and present danger to our country from her domestic enemies. They're operating out in the open now and will take away every enumerated right we ever had if we don't stop them, the sooner, the better.
We need to get a bit more insistent that government start doing our bidding instead of the opposite. Take the Mexican border for instance: Poll after poll shows overwhelming support for securing it, yet progressives in Congress openly and proudly defy the wishes of the people, so much so that these anti-Americans are doing more to defend the imaginary rights of people who aren't Americans.
What sense does that make? More importantly, why are we the people tolerating that when we don't have to? There is absolutely no excuse for the situation we find ourselves in today with regard to our own government.
We have to stop being weak and say to those who represent us, "No, you will not do that. You will abide by the all the laws at all times and if you refuse, you won't be in office. You'll be replaced with someone who will do what we want done."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivism at March 24, 2019 03:30 PM (HaL55)

136 I'm here at the AIPAC Policy Conference. Protesters arrived about an hour ago. Damn jerks.

So far spirits seem to be great. Talk of Trump's Golan announcement is the theme where I am right now and it's stoking a lot of optimism.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at March 24, 2019 03:30 PM (IfYaq)

137 Ugh. Another Parkland survivor has committed suicide. I mean another one since yesterday's. Some outside force is messing with these kids' heads. And it has to do with the gun control lobby and the media's response to it all.

Posted by: corn and beans at March 24, 2019 03:30 PM (tkNkP)

138 In half an hour, supposedly, Congress will get a summary of the Mueller report:

https://apnews.com/f4f1ea3c16884b49ae853e12e78e42ad

Probably about 45 seconds after that, some Dem congressperson will leak the whole thing to the press.

Thne, no matter what's actually in it, the MSM will try to spin some tidbit into being Very Bad News for Trump.

And Trump voters will ignore the spin.

Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2019 03:30 PM (5tb4C)

139 Witchdokter, thanks for the on-the-scene report.

Posted by: Emmie at March 24, 2019 03:31 PM (4HMW8)

140 Plus, "sanctuary gun cities" are interesting concepts.
Posted by: pookysgirl
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As an aside, recall that Kennesaw Georgia requires a gun to be owned by all property owners. I understand that the crime rate there is quite low...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 03:31 PM (CDGwz)

141 she will get it good and hard here too. evers is pritzker lite. there's not a tax that lowlife fucker isn't in love with. the guy will fuck this state up for good.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 24, 2019 03:28 PM (KP5rU)

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While I sympathize with the Rons and Ettes who are getting hammered like this, it warms my empty, black heart shaped cavity a little to know she will be getting reamed. She will also have to pay IL income tax on her pension because she is moving out of state with it.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 03:31 PM (ffYR/)

142
Are you ready for cameras watching you in your car? I was just reading -- Volvo is rolling out a system with interior facing cameras which will monitor the driver for signs of distraction and incapacitation.

It will then override the driver. And call the cops. This is the Brave New World that's coming, fellow babies.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at March 24, 2019 03:32 PM (f1Vqw)

143 How come the Democrat response to the Mueller report has not been clearly identified as Stalinist? Is possible the media are both criminally biased and stupid.

I thought Madcow was a Rhodes scholar or something else about how smart she is.

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at March 24, 2019 03:32 PM (eAMlh)

144
*waves wildly like a dork at zombie *

Posted by: Emmie at March 24, 2019 03:32 PM (4HMW8)

145 I have a sister in IL who is about to retire as a public Educator (at 53). She has pulled every Dem vote lever ever offered to her. They bought a second house in WI about 5 years and they are planning on running there after retirement to escape what she has voted for her whole life.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 03:23 PM (ffYR/)

If I move I'll balance her vote out then. Retired at 53... And dopes like me,. 54 with no retirement in sight, expected to pay for it.

Posted by: Keith at March 24, 2019 03:32 PM (jdGlx)

146 the mueller report. single ply? or double? i regret i have zero fucks to give about that shitshow.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 24, 2019 03:32 PM (KP5rU)

147 136 I'm here at the AIPAC Policy Conference. Protesters arrived about an hour ago. Damn jerks.

So far spirits seem to be great. Talk of Trump's Golan announcement is the theme where I am right now and it's stoking a lot of optimism.
Posted by: WitchDoktor

Report back with any interesting tidbits!

Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2019 03:33 PM (5tb4C)

148 I think that was San Antonio. You know, I could support not having that restaurant at airport terminals for one good reason: airports are 24/7 operations these days, and having one of the restaurants in the limited space available for such in airport terminals means that those who have to travel on sundays have their choice limited.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2019 03:24 PM (nPGq2)

Left out the /s.

Posted by: golfman at March 24, 2019 03:33 PM (OE84+)

149 Well finally reset all my digital watchs...what a pain in the ass

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 03:33 PM (Y+V3r)

150 Then, no matter what's actually in it, the MSM will try to spin some tidbit into being Very Bad News for Trump.
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"The complete absence of any credible evidence is no reason to stop investigating!"

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 03:33 PM (CDGwz)

151 where?

pleasant ridge? ferndale?
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 24, 2019 03:23 PM (Pg+x7)

******

Rochester.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 24, 2019 03:33 PM (0tfLf)

152 I'm here at the AIPAC Policy Conference. Protesters arrived about an hour ago. Damn jerks.

So far spirits seem to be great. Talk of Trump's Golan announcement is the theme where I am right now and it's stoking a lot of optimism.
Posted by: WitchDoktor

yes keep reporting.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 03:34 PM (Y+V3r)

153 I'm here at the AIPAC Policy Conference. Protesters arrived about an hour ago. Damn jerks.

So far spirits seem to be great. Talk of Trump's Golan announcement is the theme where I am right now and it's stoking a lot of optimism.
Posted by: WitchDoktor

yes keep reporting.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 03:34 PM (Y+V3r)

Didja bring your baseball bat?

Posted by: golfman at March 24, 2019 03:35 PM (OE84+)

154
I have a feeling that if immigration got curtailed my school district would have to start laying off teachers and locking classrooms. Can't have that, prole. Gotta keep those third world kids educated. Pay up.

My (R) Senator better watch his back. I'm onto his game and it pisses me off. You think I'll forget in four years? Think again.

Posted by: Newest Nic at March 24, 2019 03:35 PM (jYje5)

155 Section 8 housing for the dindo nuffin's until it's all burned down.

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 03:09 PM (K22Va)

Hopefully with all the dindu nuffins in them.

Posted by: Grannymimi at March 24, 2019 03:35 PM (u5LFV)

156 I think mueller snuck some bad things about PDT into the report. At least that is my gut feeling

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 03:35 PM (Y+V3r)

157 Well finally reset all my digital watchs...what a pain in the ass
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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I had to disassemble my poor, 15 year-old Timex Ironman wristwatch. The contacts inside had become oxidized. A quick burnish with a slip of paper did the job.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 03:36 PM (CDGwz)

158 As an aside, recall that Kennesaw Georgia requires a gun to be owned by all property owners. I understand that the crime rate there is quite low...
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 03:31 PM (CDGwz)

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Crime is low, because there is a good tax base here and plenty of rather aggressive police coverage. The "must own a gun" law was an 80's statement and the law has never to my knowledge been enforced.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 03:36 PM (ffYR/)

159 I think mueller snuck some bad things about PDT into the report. At least that is my gut feeling
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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Oh, the innuendo, explicit and implicit, will be there.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 03:37 PM (CDGwz)

160 4 pages

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 03:37 PM (Y+V3r)

161 Lets see if that copy paste tool works. Otherwise, please drop meat scraps, beer bottle dregs and used pron in the barrel for me:

#8220;Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded #8212; here and there, now and then #8212; are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

This is known as "bad luck.#8221;

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at March 24, 2019 03:38 PM (UFLLM)

162 137 Saw the story on teenage girl, wonder if drumming into their heads they are victims has had adverse effects.

Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2019 03:38 PM (BbGew)

163 Hmmm, only 1000 people turned in their guns in NZ, ATF says many people turned in bump stocks but won't put a number on it. I'm suspecting a lot of boating accidents have occurred in NZ and the US.

Eventually the gummit will screw the citizens enough (in NZ and the US) with nazi gun laws that a tipping point will be reached. Once all the gun owners decide to become felons instead of putting up with draconian bullshit theres no going back.

What are you gonna do with 100 million people who decide to become Jesse and Frank James.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at March 24, 2019 03:38 PM (cCxiu)

164
Well, didn't work but didn't blow the box either.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at March 24, 2019 03:38 PM (UFLLM)

165 The "must own a gun" law was an 80's statement and the law has never to my knowledge been enforced.
Posted by: Calm Mentor
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Look, I'm using the blanket, unquestioning logic of the Left. And I'm standing by it, it's my narrative.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 03:38 PM (CDGwz)

166 rochester? not really familiar, but that's not just outside of detroit like a suburb - it's miles away, almost in the country. i think.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 24, 2019 03:39 PM (Pg+x7)

167 summary being summarized on fox

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 24, 2019 03:39 PM (vEIlU)

168 It's out. Fox is reading four pages on air now.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at March 24, 2019 03:39 PM (hjaPQ)

169 Lol. Mueller. "Although doesn't determine that PDT committed a crime, it doesn't exonerate him either."

Too much.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 24, 2019 03:40 PM (0rsWa)

170 I was going to say this in responseto an earlier comment but I can't find so I'll just put this out there to flap in the breeze.

The left, the Democrats and the media don't care about anyone. They care no more for Hogg Boy than for Nicholas Sandmann. Hogg Boy is a pawn to use for their agenda, Sandmann is a pawn to destroy for their agenda.

The left are scum, root and branch.

Posted by: Northern Lurker, irritable, so very irritable. Have I mentioned I'm irritable? at March 24, 2019 03:40 PM (eAMlh)

171 167 summary being summarized on fox
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 24, 2019 03:39 PM (vEIlU)

168 It's out. Fox is reading four pages on air now.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis

Can either of you provide a quick summary of the summary?

Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2019 03:40 PM (5tb4C)

172 53 - Tom, thanks for the update on NYC firearms laws. They've gotten worse since my target practice permit in 1988. Then it took 8 months, a background check, fingerprints and photo, membership in a NYPD approved range, a 24 hours deadline to register after purchase, locked container to transport the gun. I didn't drive then so my driving wasn't an issue but they wanted to know about any therapy I had. Ammo hoarding wasn't a issue. I went to the range at 20 w. 20th street until I found a nicer one downtown.

FYI, if/when you leave NY, hold on to the transfer paperwork and keep it handy. Five years after I transferred the guns to Florida the NYPD called asking about them!! Lucky I had the paperwork and read the numbers and info to the cop of the phone. She sounded disappointed. Five years on.

Posted by: vivi at March 24, 2019 03:40 PM (11H2y)

173 ... sometimes the only bargain is quality, which can be expensive. or, as they say, location, location, location.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 24, 2019 03:40 PM (Pg+x7)

174 No collusion with Trump or his campaign.

Zip.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2019 03:41 PM (/tuJf)

175 NO Trump Campaign people or campaign conspired with russia

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 03:41 PM (Y+V3r)

176 The "must own a gun" law was an 80's statement and the law has never to my knowledge been enforced.
Posted by: Calm Mentor
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Look, I'm using the blanket, unquestioning logic of the Left. And I'm standing by it, it's my narrative.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 03:38 PM (CDGwz)

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Ah, then by all means keep pimping it and enjoy.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 03:41 PM (ffYR/)

177
There are 1.5 Million guns in NZ.

There are 4.5 Million people in NZ.

Yeah, good luck with that confiscation scheme.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at March 24, 2019 03:41 PM (UFLLM)

178 In Vino: looks like you lack the ampersand privilege.

Gonna have to upgrade to the platinum membership.

Posted by: skybal webworker, smirkingly at March 24, 2019 03:41 PM (GvEen)

179 summary being summarized on fox
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
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Summary of summary of summarized being posted at AoSHQ.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 03:41 PM (CDGwz)

180 No collusion with Trump or his campaign.

Zip.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2019 03:41 PM (/tuJf)

If the first cavity check finds nothing then a high colonic is in order.
- progtards everywhere

Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 24, 2019 03:42 PM (1g7ch)

181 ... that said, i wish her well.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at March 24, 2019 03:42 PM (Pg+x7)

182 No one with the campaign conspired with the Russkies!

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at March 24, 2019 03:42 PM (hjaPQ)

183 summary being summarized on fox
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
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Summary of summary of summarized being posted at AoSHQ.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 03:41 PM

tl;dr

Posted by: Hands at March 24, 2019 03:42 PM (786Ro)

184 Hmmm, only 1000 people turned in their guns in NZ

See how few people it takes for mass murder?

Posted by: t-bird at March 24, 2019 03:42 PM (TVhYm)

185 Democrats want all the information put out pointing out lots of innuendo that implies criminality but can't be prosecuted, and would guess Mueller did that.

Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2019 03:43 PM (BbGew)

186 so far basically russia fucked with us as usual

but NO trump campaign involvement

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 03:43 PM (Y+V3r)

187 Lol. Mueller. "Although doesn't determine that PDT committed a crime, it doesn't exonerate him either."

I'm not saying Ubergruppenfuehrer Mueller is a child molester.

But I am not saying he isn't.

Posted by: mikeyG at March 24, 2019 03:43 PM (LL1Be)

188 Show me your papers!

Posted by: Teh Nazis at March 24, 2019 03:43 PM (r+sAi)

189 I know this means that PDT did nothing wrong, but why won't he release his transcripts? Huh? Answer me that Sherlock. I rest my case.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 24, 2019 03:43 PM (0rsWa)

190 NO Trump Campaign people or campaign conspired with russia
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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General Flynn talked to a RUSSIAN!

Posted by: Eric Swalwell at March 24, 2019 03:43 PM (CDGwz)

191 womp womp

Posted by: Hands at March 24, 2019 03:43 PM (786Ro)

192 Well, didn't work but didn't blow the box either.
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at March 24, 2019 03:38 PM (UFLLM)

It doesn't do ampersands because God only knows if and when they work for whom and He's not telling.

If you used “ with the ampersand and it didn't work then I got nothin'.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 24, 2019 03:44 PM (t+qrx)

193 welp.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 24, 2019 03:44 PM (t+qrx)

194 Left out the /s.
Posted by: golfman at March 24, 2019 03:33 PM (OE84+)

No sarc intended. I have no beef with Chik-Fil-A, and if they choose to close Sundays, I am fine with it. If I am driving down a road lined with fast-food joints, I have a lot of easily-exercised choices in where to eat.

Not so in an airport terminal. There are a limited number of food/beverage outlets in any given gate area, and to get to another gate means a long hike, so I would like for whatever outlets are at my gate to be available 24/7.

If CFA were to make an exception to their Sunday-closing rule for airport outlets, I would be fine with them being there.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2019 03:44 PM (nPGq2)

195 Obstruction
Obstruction
Obstruction

-progtards

Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 24, 2019 03:44 PM (1g7ch)

196 Russians offered to assist Trump campaign, but no one with the campaign took them up on it.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at March 24, 2019 03:44 PM (hjaPQ)

197 after seeing new zealand's prime minister, i'm convinced it's not a real country. she is an imbecile. her draconian approach to rule will only get more people killed. they're fucked.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at March 24, 2019 03:45 PM (KP5rU)

198

NO Trump Campaign people or campaign conspired with russia

"HA ha!"

/Nelson Muntz

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivism at March 24, 2019 03:45 PM (HaL55)

199 ...Fox repeating the lien about "does not exonerate him." Keep fuckign that chicken man. Lol.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 24, 2019 03:45 PM (0rsWa)

200 Show me your papers!
Posted by: Teh Nazis
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Yeah, funny...until a pair of armed German Bundespolizei are standing over you and saying it.

Ask me how I know.

Posted by: Eric Swalwell at March 24, 2019 03:45 PM (CDGwz)

201 No conclusion drawn regarding obstruction.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at March 24, 2019 03:45 PM (hjaPQ)

202 Oops /Swallowwell

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 24, 2019 03:45 PM (CDGwz)

203 no conclusion of obstruction of justice
but also not an exoneration of PDT?

Punts it to AG

not enough evidence for obstruction of justice

But stiill the dems will hang a hat on this

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 03:46 PM (Y+V3r)

204 Told you Rosenstein is a good guy.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2019 03:46 PM (/tuJf)

205 Nood summary

Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at March 24, 2019 03:46 PM (jp0Bv)

206 DOJ: no evidence of obstruction. Lol.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 24, 2019 03:46 PM (0rsWa)

207 No obstruction.

Posted by: dartist at March 24, 2019 03:46 PM (K22Va)

208 Obstruction determination to be left up to the AG.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at March 24, 2019 03:46 PM (hjaPQ)

209 Rosenpenis and AG have already determined that screaming "witch hunt" at a "witch hunt" is not onstruction.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 24, 2019 03:46 PM (1g7ch)

210 so far basically russia fucked with us as usual

but NO trump campaign involvement
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 03:43 PM (Y+V3r)

Let some schmuck try pearl-clutching about interfering with other countries' elections.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 24, 2019 03:46 PM (t+qrx)

211 Rosenpenis and AG have already determined that screaming "witch hunt" at a "witch hunt" is not obstruction.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 24, 2019 03:47 PM (1g7ch)

212 No conclusion drawn regarding obstruction.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis
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"No conclusion is not a conclusion! We must continue the investigation!"

Posted by: Adam Schiff at March 24, 2019 03:47 PM (CDGwz)

213 Going on

Since there was no collusion, it is doubtfull there is obstruction since there is NO underlying crime

No actions done with intent to obstruct

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 03:47 PM (Y+V3r)

214
*runs sobbing from the room*

Posted by: Rachel Maddow at March 24, 2019 03:47 PM (CDGwz)

215 If CFA were to make an exception to their Sunday-closing rule for airport outlets, I would be fine with them being there.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2019 03:44 PM (nPGq2)

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They won't/don't. There is a CFA in Mercedes Benz stadium here in Atl. Where the Falcons play. Often on Sundays. Closed. They must get enough traffic from Atlanta United matches an special events there to make it worthwhile.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 03:48 PM (ffYR/)

216 When do we get a vid showing all the Libtards crying and screaming at the moon? Like after the election, cause i still watch that when i feel blue. Cheers me up very time.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at March 24, 2019 03:48 PM (0rsWa)

217
No actions done with intent to obstruct
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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Says you. There is a mountain of evidence of obstruction. We just have to find it.

Posted by: Adam Schiff at March 24, 2019 03:49 PM (CDGwz)

218

Told you Rosenstein is a good guy.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 24, 2019 03:46 PM (/tuJf)
Since I haven't followed all the details other than to know that this whole witch hunt is a progressive ploy to cover up the real crimes committed by TFG and Her Heinous, I'll defer to your analyses, JS. You seem to understand this and be on top of a lot more of developments and their meaning than am I.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy says #PurgeProgressivism at March 24, 2019 03:49 PM (HaL55)

219 So 95% good for PDT

But since that asshole mueller did not 100% exonerate him of obstruction ( although it points towards exoneration as a matter of law) that 5% of "doubt" or verbal bullshit will keep the dems going

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 24, 2019 03:49 PM (Y+V3r)

220 nood

Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 24, 2019 03:49 PM (1g7ch)

221
Thne, no matter what's actually in it, the MSM will try to spin some tidbit into being Very Bad News for Trump.

And Trump voters will ignore the spin.

Posted by: zombie at March 24, 2019 03:30

I wonder if Levin pre-taped tonight's show.

Posted by: Infidel at March 24, 2019 03:49 PM (9L2du)

222 They won't/don't. There is a CFA in Mercedes Benz stadium here in Atl. Where the Falcons play. Often on Sundays. Closed. They must get enough traffic from Atlanta United matches an special events there to make it worthwhile.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 24, 2019 03:48 PM (ffYR/)

Thing is, I don't ever have to go to a stadium for any reason. If I want to travel by plane, I have to go to an airport. And sometimes I have to spend time in East Whoop-whoop airport, by reason of changing planes, despite having no desire to ever visit that city. Airports are public accommodations much moreso than are stadiums.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 24, 2019 03:54 PM (nPGq2)

223 San Antonio in the deep blue state of Texas?

Further evidence that the Left is metastasizing cancer, seeking out healthy organisms and destroying them.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at March 24, 2019 03:57 PM (lD3vL)

224 Sorry, I'm resting.

I was at a round table this morning, guests were the president of Honduras and Prime Minister of Cabo Verde.

Honduran prez said he's opening a diplomatic mission in Jerusalem, and basically in a way that said the UN can shove it.

. A good thing.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, as if you give a damn at March 24, 2019 04:01 PM (IfYaq)

225 I want an aggregation of everyone who lied about their being evidence of collaboration starting with Schiff. And every journalist who relied on anonymous sourcing. i don't care if it takes till the end of Trump's second term.

Posted by: IanDeal at March 24, 2019 04:50 PM (vgGyZ)

226 The one advantage of the FOID is pre-approval. It's like having the TSA fondle your junk and probe your holes once a year, at home, rather than waiting in line for it to happen at the airport, just prior to your flight.
Then, ideally, you would just whip it out when you want to buy a firearm, instead of having to fill out a form and do a background check.
But, given the federal interference in commerce, it won't really ever work that way.

Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2019 05:35 PM (7kVu3)

227 If this stands we must do this with Voter ID. $100 license fee and renew every 4 years.

Posted by: Bob Zamuda at March 24, 2019 05:55 PM (gqNPI)

228 Good news for those living under the rule of the PDRI (People's Democratic Republic of Illinois

Posted by: Evilleramsfan at March 24, 2019 07:39 PM (NxG7K)

229 I kinda liked the FOID cards when I was in high school circa 76-80. We went to the police department, got the application form (which included what would eventually be your card), typed it up with a fake birthdate, and laminated it. Believe it or not, it worked often as a fake ID to buy beer.

But more seriously, this court decision is great news.

Posted by: Bandito at March 24, 2019 07:43 PM (AG8zk)

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