Green, Carbon-Neutral, Eco-Friendly? My Ass!

I like the idea of going on the offense! Attack these neo-Luddites at every opportunity. Point out how incredibly destructive their so-called green energy projects are! They waste fuel, kill birds, destroy America's grand vistas, take up huge amounts of land (who wants a solar panel array in their backyards?), and decrease our access to the marvels of a free-market economy and Western technology.

[Hat Tip: XBradTC]

Personally, as I have ranted in the past, the perfect energy plan is to build about 100 standardized nuclear power plants while technology advances in battery development and other market-based answers to future energy challenges.

The good news is that we are flush with clean-burning natural gas, thanks to the wonders of fracking, so we have plenty of time to perfect other energy sources. Hell, oil is damned clean too! There are many more cars in America today than compared to my youth in the 19-mumble-mumble-mumble, and they are better, faster, safer and more comfortable, all while polluting at a mere fraction of their predecessors. In fact. America is much, much cleaner and less polluted than it was just a generation or two ago, and I fully expect that trend to continue!

The free market can do anything when it is allowed to....so our job as conservatives is to unleash that power and reap the benefits!

And drink good whiskey. And eat rare steaks. And hit the X when we shoot.

Posted by: CBD at 12:15 PM

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1 Talk about burning

Posted by: Skip at March 17, 2019 12:14 PM (BbGew)

2 Corgis dutifully called

Posted by: Skip at March 17, 2019 12:16 PM (BbGew)

3 Green is a scam for gritters, countless millions governments have paid to green scam artists who are usually Leftists

Posted by: Skip at March 17, 2019 12:18 PM (BbGew)

4 Prayers up for Brad.

Don't know why. He has asked though.

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 12:18 PM (OE84+)

5 Willowed from the morning thread:

211 A recurring theme: everything in Australia is trying to kill you...

Black Kite 'Firehawks' are birds that deliberately spread fires in Australia by carrying burning twigs in their beaks and talons and dropping them in other areas in order to start new fires and drive out insects and small animals so they can feed on them http://ow.ly/hJ2y30o4Gz2
Posted by: t-bird at March 17, 2019 09:27 AM (Zo1XC)

Sounds like those birds have an enormous carbon footprint.

It also sounds like they are capable of reason, and perhaps even tool-using.

Posted by: rickl at March 17, 2019 12:20 PM (sdi6R)

6 We see a lot of turbines in farm fields in MI. A perfect place for them since these are wide open spaces. We view them from the highway. Not sure how they look from the residential areas away from the farms. My understanding is that the farmer is paid for the use of their land and receives free electricity. Not sure if that is universal.
My issue is with the short lifespan of the turbines and their cost. It cannot be cost effective.

Posted by: never enough caffeine at March 17, 2019 12:21 PM (N3JsI)

7 Does someone have the link to the DARPA development of a room temperature super conductor?

Posted by: Kindltot at March 17, 2019 12:21 PM (mUa7G)

8 Post a comment and immediately summon a new thread superpower status

[ x ] intact
[ ] not intact

Posted by: Moron Robbie - wrong it hat say bullets interpretation means nothing. at March 17, 2019 12:22 PM (xyung)

9
Cool picture of the de-icing on that blade. I never thought of that necessity.

Everything has a cost. I have a slew of tiny little solar panels on my walkway lights. Even with rechargeable batteries, those batteries have a life expectancy. The panels have to be cleaned occasionally, the snow knocked off of them, or nothing. Dismantling all of them to get to the batteries is an entire mornings work.

Some people go through life acquiring an encyclopedic knowledge of the world, while our 'friends' on the left never acquire much more then a 'dictionary' level of knowledge.

But solar! Wind! New Green Deal!

Posted by: Newest Nic at March 17, 2019 12:23 PM (jYje5)

10 It also sounds like they are capable of reason, and perhaps even tool-using
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From many years ago, I seem to recall that most of the corvids, ravens and crows, are tool users.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 17, 2019 12:24 PM (MIKMs)

11 Watching a series on BBC on the polar bears. The host of the show who also did photography is showing how the ice in melting in the Arctic. Come to find that the show was filmed in 2012. At one point he says "it's the least amount of ice in the Arctic since they started keeping records in the 1970's. So it could be the warmest weather in 3 million years"

Oooo Boy. That's a leap of statistics.

Also he mentions a number of times that they are in uncharted waters. By Svelbard island.
Ya think those Russian and Norwegian fishing boats are navigating blind?

Posted by: Bruce at March 17, 2019 12:25 PM (8ikIW)

12 rickl getting back to your appointment tomorrow
I could get you back home if pinched but figure could get there around 3pm.

Posted by: Skip at March 17, 2019 12:25 PM (BbGew)

13 Also, agree on the nuclear. Lived around nuclear plants several times. Only eyesore is the cooling towers. Lived within 2 miles of one on Lake Keowee in SC. Could see it from the lake and the NRC regulated our lake's depth but otherwise it took up less space then solar or turbines and quieter and less obtrusive then solar and turbines.

Posted by: never enough caffeine at March 17, 2019 12:26 PM (N3JsI)

14 My issue is with the short lifespan of the turbines and their cost. It cannot be cost effective.
Posted by: never enough caffeine

Especially when you go by an entire field of them on a breezy day and 5 out of the 20 are actually turning.

Posted by: Bruce at March 17, 2019 12:27 PM (8ikIW)

15 From many years ago, I seem to recall that most of the corvids, ravens and crows, are tool users.
Posted by: mustbequantum

And most politicians are just tools

Posted by: Bruce at March 17, 2019 12:27 PM (8ikIW)

16 Windmill valley in CA. Two thirds of the older windmills are not being utilized due to the fact it is too expensive to fix them.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at March 17, 2019 12:27 PM (FnqUH)

17 10
From many years ago, I seem to recall that most of the corvids, ravens and crows, are tool users.
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 17, 2019 12:24 PM (MIKMs)

I seem to remember that too.

Posted by: rickl at March 17, 2019 12:28 PM (sdi6R)

18 CBD: +1000

Legacy Americans do everything better than the retards. Working, relaxing, shooting (which is something in between)

And yes, until the engineers figure out alternative energy sources in a practical way (and they will), widescale nuclear power is our shit. It'll not only meet our needs but provide for alternative, lower polluting fuel sources in the near term.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 17, 2019 12:28 PM (5aX2M)

19 #6My issue is with the short lifespan of the turbines and their cost. It cannot be cost effective.+++++++++++
That's a feature, not a bug. Lotsa money to be made in maintenance and replacement.

Posted by: Old Dude at March 17, 2019 12:30 PM (LGXGf)

20 Everything has a cost.

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I am 100% comfortable in saying that, when looked at cradle-to-grave, everything costs exactly the same.

My recent favorite is paper straws as a response to some non-existent problem that doesn't happen in any meaningful way in the United States.

They are HUGE. I'd say three to five times thicker than a plastic straw. And you know what paper straws don't do in a landfill without exposure to water and light? Decompose. Those thick-ass straws are taking up four or five times the space of plastic straws.

Even better is that I'm positive it takes more energy to produce and definitely to store and ship.

Composting them? Sure, but you've got to be sure to account for water and equipment to produce "green" straws, as well as land, water, and fuel to move and manage the compost on the other end.

I'd be willing to bet zero net gain, and often waste, on anything outside of a few limited things (mostly metals).

Posted by: Moron Robbie - wrong it hat say bullets interpretation means nothing. at March 17, 2019 12:31 PM (xyung)

21
So little faith in fusion? It's less then 10 years away.

Posted by: Newest Nic at March 17, 2019 12:31 PM (jYje5)

22 All current energy production could be replaced with Thorium MSR if we could just finish developing the dam things. We were more then halfway there in the late 60s.

Mass producible, no fuel fabrication costs, failsafe, etc. it is the solution.

Posted by: Smashmaster at March 17, 2019 12:31 PM (Sgv4p)

23
But solar! Wind! New Green Deal!
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When I called my small city to protest the sales/marketing of using tax money in support of a buying club for so-called green power generation, I was informed of the mantra we need to experience and understand:

Green Energy = Good; Brown Energy (anything not assigned green) = Bad.

We can assemble our green energy certificates (anyone else remember SandH Green Stamps) to feel good about ourselves without even the fiction of a meaningless participation trophy or trade those certificates with other suckers for something real. What a scam.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 17, 2019 12:32 PM (MIKMs)

24 The Curtiss Aeroplane and Motor Company missed an opportunity to use "Firehawk" to name one of their airplanes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
/List_of_Curtiss_Hawk_aircraft

Posted by: rickl at March 17, 2019 12:33 PM (sdi6R)

25 It also sounds like they are capable of reason, and perhaps even tool-using.
Posted by: rickl at March 17, 2019 12:20 PM (sdi6R)

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A Murder of Crows is well worth the watch.

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=hBJKPwIFzDI

They do a lot of interesting and very smart/social stuff, but I'm fascinated that they have funerals for other crows.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - wrong it hat say bullets interpretation means nothing. at March 17, 2019 12:33 PM (xyung)

26 Green, Carbon-Neutral, Eco-Friendly? My Ass!
Might want to re-think the phrasing there, CBD.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 17, 2019 12:33 PM (oVJmc)

27 Green Energy = Good; Brown Energy (anything not assigned green) = Bad.

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Can anyone point to one single all-items recycling facility anywhere in the nation that operates with a profit?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - wrong it hat say bullets interpretation means nothing. at March 17, 2019 12:34 PM (xyung)

28 We had an eco-radical in the home office. She was on a kick to 'save the world.' One of her suggestions was to use spaghetti for a coffee stirrer.

SMH.

Posted by: Infidel at March 17, 2019 12:35 PM (9L2du)

29 7 Kindltot

https://tinyurl.com/y6qupzkk
DARPA 1992

https://tinyurl.com/yxphljs3.

2016 Max Planck Institute for the Structure and Dynamics of Matter

Hope this helps.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 17, 2019 12:35 PM (u82oZ)

30 I found it amazing that most of the props on this wind turbines are made of balsa wood, the same stuff they make R/C airplanes out of.

Posted by: AOC at March 17, 2019 12:35 PM (e8kgV)

31 We had an eco-radical in the home office. She was on a kick to 'save the world.' One of her suggestions was to use spaghetti for a coffee stirrer.

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She didn't use cars or heat and AC?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - wrong it hat say bullets interpretation means nothing. at March 17, 2019 12:36 PM (xyung)

32 Next up: Biogas! That's right, they won't be happy until we're reduced to subsistence agriculture and making natural gas from animal poop. Because nothing says modern, mobile society like biogas. Science!

Posted by: I like cookies at March 17, 2019 12:36 PM (xxAFD)

33
Remember when Massachusetts wanted to put in an off-shore wind farm, and Teddy "Swimmer" Kennedy blocked the project because it would have ruined the view from his daddy's old mansion in Cape Cod?

I'll take glowball warming seriously when the warm-mongers act like they take it seriously. Until then, I'm saving up for a Ford Earthfucker truck.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 17, 2019 12:36 PM (veoSD)

34 For an interesting take on the wind power scam, check out Cool Wind by C.J. Box. Even though it's only a novel, there's considerable food for thought.

Posted by: Old Dude at March 17, 2019 12:37 PM (LGXGf)

35 If we're worried about how much electric we use, why don't people ban those 50-foot LCD TVs masquerading as billboards that are even bright enough to see in daylight? I have to think those things cost a shit-ton to run.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at March 17, 2019 12:37 PM (oVJmc)

36 She didn't use cars or heat and AC?

Posted by: Moron Robbie -

Oh, she was carbon neutral. Took the bus.

Posted by: Infidel at March 17, 2019 12:37 PM (9L2du)

37 28 We had an eco-radical in the home office. She was on a kick to 'save the world.' One of her suggestions was to use spaghetti for a coffee stirrer.
.....

Who wants sauce in their coffee?

Posted by: HA at March 17, 2019 12:37 PM (MAstk)

38 My loony-tunes lefty warmist brother sent an e-mail saying: "FYI, for action". It included a picture of a (presumably) dwindling ice floe with a group of about 10-12 penguins.

My first thought was, "Oh my God, the penguins ate the polar bear!"

Am I a bad person?

Posted by: Muldoon at March 17, 2019 12:38 PM (m45I2)

39 I wonder what de-icing mix they're using?

Probably not very eco-friendly either, whatever it is.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 17, 2019 12:39 PM (GBteo)

40 We had an eco-radical in the home office. She was on a kick to 'save the world.' One of her suggestions was to use spaghetti for a coffee stirrer.

Like vegans and vegetarians, do what you want. Hell, use a dried cat turd for a stirrer if you want.
Leave me the hell alone.

Posted by: Bruce at March 17, 2019 12:39 PM (8ikIW)

41
So little faith in fusion? It's less then 10 years away.
Posted by: Newest Nic

You sound like Dilbert.

https://dilbert.com/strip/2019-03-17

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 17, 2019 12:39 PM (aKsyK)

42 #6My issue is with the short lifespan of the turbines and their cost. It cannot be cost effective.+++++++++++
That's a feature, not a bug. Lotsa money to be made in maintenance and replacement.

Posted by: Old Dude at March 17, 2019 12:30 PM (LGXGf)

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Comrade new green technology will be cost effective when cost of energy triples.

Oh comrades the future will be glorious, GLORIOUS!!!

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 17, 2019 12:39 PM (pw+jk)

43 39 I wonder what de-icing mix they're using?
....

Oatmeal is a great solution!

Posted by: AOC at March 17, 2019 12:40 PM (MAstk)

44 I'm fairly certain that if everyone who pretended they cared about the planet went all-in on caring about the planet it would amount to exactly the same result as their busybody-ness making the rest of us change our lifestyles in multiple miniscule and meaningless ways.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - wrong it hat say bullets interpretation means nothing. at March 17, 2019 12:40 PM (xyung)

45 Bruce, exactly my thought. Leave me the fk alone.

Posted by: Infidel at March 17, 2019 12:40 PM (9L2du)

46 I think my biggest pet peeve is how the Al Gore cultists will shriek that anyone who points out the problems with wind, solar, or the bad science of AGW is in the pockets of 'big oil' as though BP, Shell etc are not the biggest players in the wind mill game.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at March 17, 2019 12:40 PM (pAkRe)

47 Fixing the energy problem is not the point. Not at all.

Control of a scarce resource is the goal. Reward fellows of your religious tribe.

Better: Punish the heretic unbelievers with no energy.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 17, 2019 12:40 PM (u82oZ)

48 My issue is with the short lifespan of the turbines and their cost. It cannot be cost effective

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Where are we on break-even points with solar panels these days? Still 20+ years?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - wrong it hat say bullets interpretation means nothing. at March 17, 2019 12:40 PM (xyung)

49
Like vegans and vegetarians, do what you want. Hell, use a dried cat turd for a stirrer if you want.
Leave me the hell alone.
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Yes. Like all tools, however, they need a target. (SWIDT?)

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 17, 2019 12:40 PM (MIKMs)

50 Friday students across the world walked of of classes to demand their elders and politicians "do something" about climate chnage.

Fine. Henceforth these students can only travel by public transportation, bike and foot. And no planes either so no jaunts around the world spreading peace and understanding and photos for your FB with the savages.

Does that help?.

Posted by: Ripley at March 17, 2019 12:41 PM (MxEKc)

51 It's just a scam.
Every single wind project worldwide, there are no exceptions, goes tits up and bankrupt the minute the government grants and special tax breaks, interest less loans, etc go away.
Turbines simply can't make enough energy to pay there upkeep and eventual breakdown

Posted by: Naturalfake at March 17, 2019 12:41 PM (9X624)

52 It also sounds like they are capable of reason, and perhaps even tool-using.

Posted by: rickl at March 17, 2019 12:20 PM (sdi6R)

Sounds like a preemptive strike is in order.

Posted by: I like cookies at March 17, 2019 12:42 PM (xxAFD)

53 Better: Punish the heretic unbelievers with no energy.

What, who, me?

Posted by: Maduro at March 17, 2019 12:42 PM (oVJmc)

54 Friday students across the world walked of of classes to demand their elders and politicians "do something" about climate chnage.

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Imagine the money the universities will save on heating and cooling all the buildings on campus.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - wrong it hat say bullets interpretation means nothing. at March 17, 2019 12:42 PM (xyung)

55 We solved the technical issue of nuclear waste in 1980, There was a comprehensive review article in American Scientist, the one for Sigma Xi.

We can do it, and easily.

Instead we have corrupt shadowy refugees from the Four Laws of Thermodynamics setting policy and spending goals.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 17, 2019 12:42 PM (u82oZ)

56 My new favorite retort came from one of JJ's links earlier this week from a former warmist turned skeptic who wrote (paraphrasing) "if the science is settled why are all the scientists still seeking federal research grant money?"

Posted by: Muldoon at March 17, 2019 12:42 PM (m45I2)

57 I vaguely remember deicing aircraft, it was nasty stuff used in early 80s

Posted by: Skip at March 17, 2019 12:42 PM (BbGew)

58 47 Fixing the energy problem is not the point. Not at all.
...

There is no energy problem.

Posted by: HA at March 17, 2019 12:42 PM (MAstk)

59 Friday students across the world walked of of classes to demand their elders and politicians "do something" about climate chnage.

Fine. Henceforth these students can only travel by public transportation, bike and foot. And no planes either so no jaunts around the world spreading peace and understanding and photos for your FB with the savages.

Does that help?.
Posted by: Ripley

And your spring break will consist of helping you elderly neighbors spruce up their yards and homes. Without using any power tools.

Posted by: Bruce at March 17, 2019 12:43 PM (8ikIW)

60 Just look at Biomass power generation plants? 60% dirtier to burn wood pellets, which is common in all of Europe, versus coal fired plants.

We've lost our way! This Climate Change religion is destroying the planet and our way of life.

Posted by: hstad at March 17, 2019 12:43 PM (uywSX)

61
I always liked asking the SoCal hippies what the most important ingredient of bread was. They'd do a double-take when I'd answer "petroleum". Because there aren't any wheat fields in Santa Barbara County, so how are they getting their bread flour?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 17, 2019 12:43 PM (veoSD)

62
The Europeans had this terrific idea that if they all puddled their resources they could build the answer to the fusion enigma. I wonder how many tens of billions they've squandered so far?

All they seem to have ever achieved is startling discoveries! Discovery number three will blow you away!

I sometimes wonder if G-d looked at what we did with our fission discovery and said, "Nope. You don't get that one."

Posted by: Newest Nic at March 17, 2019 12:44 PM (jYje5)

63 Where are we on break-even points with solar panels these days? Still 20+ years?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - wrong it hat say bullets interpretation means nothing. at March 17, 2019 12:40 PM (xyung)

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Comrade you have bad think. At cost of energy 20 years ago solar never pays back but new cost of energy make solar pay back about 5 years after solar cell dies.

It is going to be glorious but expensive and poor future. GLORIOUS!!!

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 17, 2019 12:44 PM (pw+jk)

64 Just look at Biomass power generation plants? 60% dirtier to burn wood pellets, which is common in all of Europe, versus coal fired plants.

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My favorite is when it came out recently that China was getting all of all municipal recycling contracts in order to take the "recyclables" to China and either burn it or make huge toxic mountains out of it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - wrong it hat say bullets interpretation means nothing. at March 17, 2019 12:44 PM (xyung)

65 I wonder what de-icing mix they're using?

Probably not very eco-friendly either, whatever it is.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 17, 2019 12:39 PM (GBteo)

Probably urea.
Makes great fertilizer too.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 17, 2019 12:44 PM (1g7ch)

66 55 We solved the technical issue of nuclear waste in 1980, There was a comprehensive review article in American Scientist, the one for Sigma Xi.

We can do it, and easily.

Instead we have corrupt shadowy refugees from the Four Laws of Thermodynamics setting policy and spending goals.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 17, 2019 12:42 PM (u82oZ)

France recycles their nuclear waste, and is pretty good at it.

I don't know why we don't follow the (gasp) French model of energy production -- they rely HEAVILY on nuclear.

Of course, Greenpeace and others have spent years trying to shut down the nuclear waste recycling in France.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 17, 2019 12:45 PM (GBteo)

67 We have wind turbines out here in South Dakota. A lot of the time, the winds are too strong and they have to shut them down for long periods of time lest the generators burn out. Absolutely stupid technology. They are noisy and kill birds by the thousands.

Posted by: Archer at March 17, 2019 12:45 PM (vzk+c)

68 Here's another head-scratcher I heard recently:

Wetlands are vital for sequestering carbon, but they require the ability to migrate, which is being swallowed up by rising sea levels. If the sea levels continue to rise too fast we will lose all the benefits of the wetlands.

?????

Posted by: Muldoon at March 17, 2019 12:46 PM (m45I2)

69
Probably urea.
Makes great fertilizer too.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 17, 2019 12:44 PM (1g7ch)

Could be. I know the issue of deicing mixes comes up with aircraft deicing from time to time.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 17, 2019 12:46 PM (GBteo)

70 They should spray that wind turbine with maple syrup.

Posted by: That irredeemable guy who always says... at March 17, 2019 12:47 PM (Tyii7)

71 Friday students across the world walked of of classes to demand their elders and politicians "do something" about climate chnage.

That was started by a fifteen year old Swedish girl last year. She's been proposed for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 17, 2019 12:47 PM (fuK7c)

72 They are noisy and kill birds by the thousands.
Posted by: Archer at March 17, 2019 12:45 PM (vzk+c)

Yes, when they are spinning, they are surprisingly loud even from a distance.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 17, 2019 12:47 PM (GBteo)

73
France recycles their nuclear waste, and is pretty good at it.

I don't know why we don't follow the (gasp) French model of energy production -- they rely HEAVILY on nuclear.

Of course, Greenpeace and others have spent years trying to shut down the nuclear waste recycling in France.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 17, 2019 12:45 PM (GBteo)

The Japanese do the same, because if memory serves, both nations use breeder-type reactors which can use the plutonium which is produced in the normal operation of the reactor.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 17, 2019 12:47 PM (veoSD)

74 I wonder what de-icing mix they're using?

Probably not very eco-friendly either, whatever it is.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

I know Valurite scotch will melt ice if you don't drink it quickly.
I've never had that problem though

Posted by: Bruce at March 17, 2019 12:48 PM (8ikIW)

75 After a delay, I was less than thrilled to see them deicing the wings on the plane I was on last weekend.

Posted by: Infidel at March 17, 2019 12:49 PM (9L2du)

76 Comrades!!!
Global warming denier, Patrick Moore, after bad think of anti-Green new deal has good think comrades of google erase him from founding Green Peace. Comrade Stalin smile from hell.
https://tinyurl.com/y6xxws78
This is how good comrades deal with the kulaks and hoarders. Comrades the future is going to be glorious, GLORIOUS!!!!

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 17, 2019 12:49 PM (pw+jk)

77 Fukushima.

Posted by: Ray at March 17, 2019 12:49 PM (AVxHd)

78
I know Valurite scotch will melt ice if you don't drink it quickly.
I've never had that problem though

Posted by: Bruce at March 17, 2019 12:48 PM (8ikIW)

Because slamming down cheap scotch is the only way to drink it without hurling your dinner.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 17, 2019 12:49 PM (veoSD)

79 Composting them? Sure, but you've got to be sure to account for water and equipment to produce "green" straws, as well as land, water, and fuel to move and manage the compost on the other end.

I'd be willing to bet zero net gain, and often waste, on anything outside of a few limited things (mostly metals).
Posted by: Moron Robbie - wrong it hat say bullets interpretation means nothing. at March 17, 2019 12:31 PM (xyung)

We had paper straws when I was a yute. It was all there were. Thick ones for milkshakes, thin ones for soda pop. They were made of waxed paper wrapped in a spiral fashion. They could be flattened pretty easily. Plastic straws didn't come about until the late 1970's, IIRC. The new "paper" straws seem to be extruded from wood pulp, and don't have a spiral construction.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 17, 2019 12:49 PM (nPGq2)

80 Proud to be a denier.

Posted by: That irredeemable guy who always says... at March 17, 2019 12:50 PM (Tyii7)

81 She's been proposed for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 17, 2019 12:47 PM (fuK7c)

If she wins it the average quality of recipient will probably be improved.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 17, 2019 12:50 PM (wYseH)

82 Because slamming down cheap scotch is the only way to drink it without hurling your dinner.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur

It helps if you mix it with root beer.

Posted by: Bruce at March 17, 2019 12:50 PM (8ikIW)

83 ...corrupt shadowy refugees from the Four Laws of Thermodynamics...
Posted by: NaCly Dog

******

Nice turn of phrase!

Posted by: Muldoon at March 17, 2019 12:50 PM (m45I2)

84
77 Fukushima.

Posted by: Ray at March 17, 2019 12:49 PM (AVxHd)

Gesundheit.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 17, 2019 12:50 PM (veoSD)

85 Comrade you have bad think. At cost of energy 20 years ago solar never pays back but new cost of energy make solar pay back about 5 years after solar cell dies.

It is going to be glorious but expensive and poor future. GLORIOUS!!!
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 17, 2019 12:44 PM (pw+jk)

About ten years ago I was sent a week long LEED seminar.

Architects speakers gushed about how awesome everything LEED is. The a economics guy spoke and showed that for many LEED items the break even is never. But, just using more efficient conventional heating and cooling, insulation, siting, etc. (like building designers should anyway) there are real energy savings... but the alternative stuff, nah, never.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 17, 2019 12:52 PM (1g7ch)

86 Muldoon

That's very high praise coming from our own Poet Laureate.

Going to tell my wife!

Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 17, 2019 12:52 PM (u82oZ)

87 We had paper straws when I was a yute. It was all there were. Thick ones for milkshakes, thin ones for soda pop. They were made of waxed paper wrapped in a spiral fashion. They could be flattened pretty easily. Plastic straws didn't come about until the late 1970's, IIRC. The new "paper" straws seem to be extruded from wood pulp, and don't have a spiral construction.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

The new ones are weird. They seem to be falling apart as you use them

Posted by: Bruce at March 17, 2019 12:53 PM (8ikIW)

88 Instead of de-icing they can just coat the windmills with teflon.

Posted by: AOC Big Idea Person at March 17, 2019 12:53 PM (1g7ch)

89 The free market can do anything when it is allowed to..

Hate to say, though, I think *some* gov't overreach was beneficial on the air quality front. Not sure if we would have gotten there on our own.

Posted by: t-bird at March 17, 2019 12:53 PM (CMq2e)

90 Instead of de-icing they can just coat the windmills with teflon.
Posted by: AOC Big Idea Person

Or make the blades out of salt!

Posted by: Bruce at March 17, 2019 12:54 PM (8ikIW)

91 And hit the little X....

Or Center mass.

Posted by: DontGetOutMuch at March 17, 2019 12:54 PM (sCCFQ)

92 It's not just hypocrisy that is behind this Green Scheme, it's profiteering off the stupidity of crowds.

allow me to illustrate what is really behind all of those windfarms in West Texas, which are great propaganda tos ay "look how much Green Energy Texas generates!" To be clear, most don't realize that Texas has by far the most installed Wind Power capacity in the nation, with 23,262 MW installed capacity, and 5,554 MW more under construction. Supposedly Enviro friendly California only has 5,686 MW of wind power installed, with 55 under construction. Texas is clearly the Wind Power Capitol of the Nation. So why has so much been built? (cont'd)

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 17, 2019 12:54 PM (V2Yro)

93 73
France recycles their nuclear waste, and is pretty good at it.

I don't know why we don't follow the (gasp) French model of energy production -- they rely HEAVILY on nuclear.

Of course, Greenpeace and others have spent years trying to shut down the nuclear waste recycling in France.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 17, 2019 12:45 PM (GBteo)

The Japanese do the same, because if memory serves, both nations use breeder-type reactors which can use the plutonium which is produced in the normal operation of the reactor.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 17, 2019 12:47 PM (veoSD)

You can thank Jimmy Carter, who in 1977 made reprocessing Nuc Waste Illegal.

Why he did that? He was involved in having to clean up a reactor that had malfunctioned due to bad design, and was not pro nuclear power.

He knew that stopping reprocessing of waste would create a huge problem for the US Nuclear industries, as we see today.

Posted by: Don Q at March 17, 2019 12:55 PM (NgKpN)

94
We had an eco-radical in the home office. She was on a kick to 'save the world.' One of her suggestions was to use spaghetti for a coffee stirrer.

I bought a new invention to stir coffee.
They called it a "spoon."

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 17, 2019 12:55 PM (aKsyK)

95 Some cities in the snowy northern regions have installed LED traffic signals, to save the Earth. Trouble is, snow sticks to the lenses where it didn't with the heat of an incandescent bulb. Problem solved, they put heaters on them. Yay, go green!

Posted by: bill in arkansas at March 17, 2019 12:55 PM (xzqr4)

96 All current energy production could be replaced with Thorium MSR if we could just finish developing the dam things. We were more then halfway there in the late 60s.

Mass producible, no fuel fabrication costs, failsafe, etc. it is the solution.
Posted by: Smashmaster at March 17, 2019 12:31 PM (Sgv4p)

Oh fuck, the thorium fraud again. You know what thorium is? It's the bullshit magic bullet "non polluting" nuclear reactor that always just "two years away" from being market-ready, so we are supposed to stop building uranium reactors (which work just fine), and wait for the unicorn.

Show me a thorium mine in North America. Just one.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 17, 2019 12:56 PM (nPGq2)

97 Instead of de-icing they can just coat the windmills with teflon.
Posted by: AOC Big Idea Person

The problem, as I see it, Miss Big Brains, is that we put these windmills outdoors in the fickle elements. They would perform more efficiently in the temperature-controlled indoors, driven by fans at a constant speed.

Posted by: t-bird at March 17, 2019 12:56 PM (CMq2e)

98 So why has so much been built? (cont'd)
Posted by: Tom Servo

********

Ooh, ooh ooh. I DO so love a good cliffhanger...

Posted by: Muldoon at March 17, 2019 12:56 PM (m45I2)

99 That's an electric helicopter.

Posted by: freaked at March 17, 2019 12:56 PM (UdKB7)

100 Alert: Virtue Signal.

Okay, for all my griping about the stupid eco-twits, the old-timey Ducks Unlimited folk showed me a simple solution for one of the rather unpleasant facts of careless waste disposal: necklacing wildlife on sixpack rings. Just use kitchen scissors and cut them up before putting them in the garbage. I really dislike that kind of carelessness and it is a simple, personal solution, and also protects your pets and kids. No government; just commonsense.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 17, 2019 12:56 PM (MIKMs)

101 Most LIVs are true believers and think the only thing preventing a green revolution is the greedy conservatives that just care about profit. What contempt some of the green technologists must hold them in.

Posted by: Max Power at March 17, 2019 12:57 PM (QCc6B)

102 Wind and solar energy are all crapola.

When I am out and about in my AO I see the signs stuck in the side of the road advertising solar panels for houses, blah, blah blah, save money, save energy, get a tax break, blah, blah, blah.

Then I see fools who have them installed covering the whole damn roof.

Then you see all the toys in the yard that the same fool spent his money on......gas boat, gas jet skis, gas RV, gas riding lawn mower, gas motorcycles, 3 or 4 SUV's in the driveway.

Green Baby!.....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 17, 2019 12:57 PM (Z+IKu)

103 Problem solved, they put heaters on them.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at March 17, 2019 12:55 PM (xzqr4)

Oh...for fvck's sake!

Retards...all of them.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 17, 2019 12:57 PM (wYseH)

104 We had an eco-radical in the home office. She was on a kick to 'save the world.' One of her suggestions was to use spaghetti for a coffee stirrer.

SMH.
Posted by: Infidel at March 17, 2019 12:35 PM (9L2du)

I use a spoon. Now and then, I wash it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 17, 2019 12:57 PM (nPGq2)

105 Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 17, 2019 12:52 PM (1g7ch)

To be fair, I think solar panels and electric cars and the sort are pretty cool.

And maybe someday they will get to the point where it's practical to buy and install them. I would love to be able to generate my own power, that's pretty badass.

But for now, solar is not practical in most locations, and batteries are full of deadly and corrosive chemicals, have a finite life span, and a fuckton of them are required to store up enough energy to level out the times of day when the sun isn't shining.

Another issue is that the places that get the most sun and where solar seems to make sense tend to be very warm places, where air conditioning is a necessity. And DC solar arrays can't easily handle the surge from AC compressors.

Elon Musk claims that Tesla is working on the air conditioning issue and is trying to invent a whole new way of cooling buildings that doesn't have immense power draws... so, maybe that issue will be solved.

But for now -- solar is just not that practical.

Windmills are just fucking stupid and have never made sense and likely never will.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 17, 2019 12:58 PM (GBteo)

106 One of her suggestions was to use spaghetti for a coffee stirrer.

********

Crap! I hate Italian food!

Posted by: A sea turtle at March 17, 2019 12:58 PM (m45I2)

107 The Green New Deal is not a plan, no matter what Chiquita Khrushchev and Beto! say. It only establishes a GOAL of eliminating US carbon emissions in 12 years, so we don't die. A real plan has something called a SCHEDULE.

So, Ms Chiquita, could we delay all carbon reducing changes until Year 11 and still save ourselves? Or, if we reduce carbon emissions by 25 percent beginning 6 years from now, could we buy ourselves another 25 years to extinction? Either case, or anything in-between, significantly changes the means, methods, and likely reduces the near-term costs, of saving ourselves.

If anyone asked Ms Chiquita or Beto! such questions, all they could come back with is BS. They have no plan, only a goal of killing-off all US hydrocarbon usage.

Posted by: Gref at March 17, 2019 12:58 PM (AMIL/)

108 The problem with young people and environmentalism is that they're young people. They don't remember what it was like and what we've done.

For certain values of 29 you can remember pollution. Rivers were fetid, sometimes they caught fire. My grandfather ice skated on the Connecticut River, in my father's day it was too polluted to freeze.

You used to see black smoke belching from factories. The top of the Jersey Turnpike smelled like a refinery.

There were smog indexes published regularly. Air quality reports.

There's none of that any more. The rivers and the air were dirty and we changed things and cleaned them.

Some people can't take yes for an answer.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 17, 2019 12:58 PM (fuK7c)

109 #97 The problem, as I see it, Miss Big Brains, is that we put these
windmills outdoors in the fickle elements. They would perform more
efficiently in the temperature-controlled indoors, driven by fans at a
constant speed.++++++
I've always considered Rube Goldberg to be a vastly unappreciated mechanical genius. Bravo, Sir!

Posted by: Old Dude at March 17, 2019 12:59 PM (LGXGf)

110 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 17, 2019 12:57 PM (Z+IKu)

The second it makes financial sense to install solar panels on my south-facing roof I will have no problem doing it.

Because I am a cheap bastard and don't give a fvck about virtue-signalling my commitment to the environment.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 17, 2019 01:00 PM (wYseH)

111 ....so our job as conservatives is to unleash that power and reap the benefits!

And drink good whiskey. And eat rare steaks. And hit the X when we shoot.

And take out the garbage. Mrs D says you forgot that one.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 17, 2019 01:00 PM (0tfLf)

112 When I was in the DC area, I was approached by pollsters /political operatives to [redacted corporation] about wind energy in the early oughts.

They had somehow seen some of my output on energy. They wanted my considered opinion on how to get wind turbines in Kansas and the Dakotas to send out of state.

They agreed with me that it made no thermodynamic sense. They did not care about that. It was a subsidy farming effort from the start.

I told them bribing members of Congress was the way forward. And so it was.

The bureaucrats did not need bribing. Even then they were true believers.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 17, 2019 01:00 PM (u82oZ)

113 /sock off

Posted by: Muldoon at March 17, 2019 01:00 PM (m45I2)

114 Tesla's plan was broadcast free electricity everywhere so we could have flying cars. So much for that.

Posted by: freaked at March 17, 2019 01:01 PM (UdKB7)

115 95 Some cities in the snowy northern regions have installed LED traffic signals, to save the Earth. Trouble is, snow sticks to the lenses where it didn't with the heat of an incandescent bulb. Problem solved, they put heaters on them. Yay, go green!
Posted by: bill in arkansas at March 17, 2019 12:55 PM (xzqr4)

Also an issue on city buses that use LED tail and break lights & on the directionals. When it snows, the lights get completely covered so you get to get to guess when the bus is going to stop or turn. Mild inconvenience I guess, but completely predictable.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 17, 2019 01:01 PM (GBteo)

116 You can also take the six pack ring, fold it a couple of times so it is one circle of six rings and pull it apart with your hands.

That's a drinking challenge an uncle showed me.
Most people cannot do it. Might be a pain threshold issue.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 17, 2019 01:02 PM (1g7ch)

117 I hate wind turbines. There is a bunch east of me, cluttering the landscape. Ugly, worthless pieces of crap.

Posted by: Ronster at March 17, 2019 01:02 PM (KEcGI)

118 If she wins it the average quality of recipient will probably be improved.

I know, right?

Posted by: Baracky O'Cracky at March 17, 2019 01:02 PM (Tyii7)

119 Mass producible, no fuel fabrication costs, failsafe, etc. it is the solution.
Posted by: Smashmaster at March 17, 2019 12:31 PM (Sgv4p

-----

+ Coal Gasifacation. Win-win-win.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 17, 2019 01:03 PM (5aX2M)

120 Coal gasification

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 17, 2019 01:03 PM (5aX2M)

121 I admit I cringed a little bit reading Trump's tweets about McCain, first thinking WHY is he doing this? Of course he's doing this because McCain was a shithead who hated his guts and never missed an opportunity to shiv him in the back---or the front, McCain didn't care that Trump knew.
And of course he's getting the word out that McCain had a big part in the fake, phony dossier that has plagued him--and the nation for 2+ years.

McCain and Romney had/have it in for Trump so bad for doing what they FAILED to do and rather than take it out on those that told them to take a dive for Obama, they take it out on Trump for having the audacity for REFUSING to lose.

Posted by: JoeF. at March 17, 2019 01:03 PM (NFEMn)

122 You used to see black smoke belching from factories. The top of the Jersey Turnpike smelled like a refinery.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 17, 2019 12:58 PM (fuK7c)

To be fair, it still smells horrible driving through Elizabeth, NJ.

I guess you get used to it if you live there though.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 17, 2019 01:04 PM (GBteo)

123 Not Musk's Tesla btw the real Tesla.

Posted by: freaked at March 17, 2019 01:04 PM (UdKB7)

124 Hate to say, though, I think *some* gov't overreach
was beneficial on the air quality front. Not sure if we would have
gotten there on our own.

Posted by: t-bird at March 17, 2019 12:53 PM (CMq2e)

Progress is a left wing fetish. Conservatives support good ideas that comport with the lessons of history. But progress to the point of diminishing returns quickly becomes regress.

Posted by: I like cookies at March 17, 2019 01:04 PM (xxAFD)

125 So, to understand why Texas has so much wind power, you need to know 3 things: 1st, Texas has it's own electrical grid, separate from the other 49 states, 2nd, Wind power is actually terrible for being hooked up to a grid, since it is intermittent and can ramp up with no warning, and shut down for days with equally little warning, and 3) wind power is heavily subsidized at both state and federal levels.

So, since wind power is intermittent, but it has to be stable to be hooked up to the grid, every wind plant is backed up by nat gas burners - and in fact, these nat gas burners are what are actually running 40% to 60% of the time. BUT they still get the subsidized wind power rates, which is IMMENSELY profitable!

So in fact, Wind Power is in effect a scheme to double or triple the price an energy company can get for it's nat gas plants. And everyone knows it, both in industry, and government, and no one says anything, because that would get all the Enviro's upset. And Industry has decided that it's better to keep the Enviro's happy, make the proles feel virtuous, and make incredible profits.

And that, in just about any permutation, is what any Green Deal is all about.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 17, 2019 01:04 PM (V2Yro)

126 Fukushima.
Posted by: Ray at March 17, 2019 12:49 PM (AVxHd)

Fukayutu.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 17, 2019 01:04 PM (nPGq2)

127 25
A Murder of Crows is well worth the watch.

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=hBJKPwIFzDI

They do a lot of interesting and very smart/social stuff, but I'm fascinated that they have funerals for other crows.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - wrong it hat say bullets interpretation means nothing. at March 17, 2019 12:33 PM (xyung)

I've just watched the first 20 minutes, and that is really amazing.

Posted by: rickl at March 17, 2019 01:05 PM (sdi6R)

128 5 re the Firehawks -- Tres cool. Sounds quite likely too; various seabirds are known to pick up mollusks, fly them up and drop them on rocks to crack them open.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 17, 2019 01:05 PM (Z4rgH)

129 Thank G-D my older daughter is marrying a nice italian boy who had the good sense to leave a bottle of Jameson here to put in my Starbuck's Latte.

Life is good.

well except for my cock sucking left wing sister who is on one of her rants, but at least she is not CBD's sister

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2019 01:06 PM (Y+V3r)

130

The second it makes financial sense to install solar panels on my south-facing roof I will have no problem doing it.

Because I am a cheap bastard and don't give a fvck about virtue-signalling my commitment to the environment.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 17, 2019 01:00 PM

I'm with you. I have a ton of south facing roof. But you know what you can't get? The actual information required to make an intelligent decision. They don't want -- in the words of that perpetual clothing salesman -- an informed buyer as their best customer.

I suppose because an informed buyer will crunch the numbers and say, 'Forget it.'

So it has to be turned from a rational decision making process into an emotional issue. With ever more strident rhetoric. TWELVE YEARS! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!

If I have to make a worthless investment and I'm gonna die anyway then I have a wine cellar that needs filling to the brim.

Posted by: Newest Nic at March 17, 2019 01:06 PM (jYje5)

131 Can you compost dead windmills?

Posted by: Burger Chef at March 17, 2019 01:06 PM (RuIsu)

132 122 You used to see black smoke belching from factories. The top of the Jersey Turnpike smelled like a refinery. "

Oil burning plants were the worst for black smoke. Oil really shouldn't be burned, it's a waste, not only because it burns dirty, but because there are so many better things that can be done with it when it's refined.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 17, 2019 01:06 PM (V2Yro)

133 Kids, we only have #TwoYears!

Posted by: Little Lupe at March 17, 2019 01:06 PM (Tyii7)

134 There is nothing inherently wrong with "green" energy generation other than it has been vastly oversold. For small, discrete applications it can be a good solution but the state of technology of things like battery storage is at least a generation or two away for massive, utility scale projects as a replacement for fossil fuels or nuclear.

Block Island sits about 12 miles off the RI coast. Most of the power for the island was generated by diesel generators and consequently it had some of the most exorbitant energy prices in the country.

The island recently put up 5 offshore wind turbines to generate 30 MW of energy for the island and it works great. That's the kind of application it works perfectly for but no way in hell would that model scale to serve all of the country.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2019 01:07 PM (/tuJf)

135 You used to see black smoke belching from factories. The top of the Jersey Turnpike smelled like a refinery. "

Not so much anymore.
Sometimes after a burritto, the inside of my car heading south to VA smells worse

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2019 01:08 PM (Y+V3r)

136 Elon Musk claims that...

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 17, 2019 12:58 PM (GBteo)

Everything that Elon Musk claims is pure BS. Even if he stumbles onto the truth once in a while, it's just the dumb luck of a huckster.

Posted by: I like cookies at March 17, 2019 01:08 PM (xxAFD)

137 I remember in high school a prediction the steam from the nuclear cooling tower was going to ice up aircraft flying near it. Has never happened.

Posted by: Skip at March 17, 2019 01:08 PM (BbGew)

138 The second it makes financial sense to install solar panels on my south-facing roof I will have no problem doing it.

=====

Open the curtains in the winter and close them in the summer.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 17, 2019 01:09 PM (MIKMs)

139 A coal-powered airplane, while extraordinarily inefficient, is not impossible. I say we go for it.

Posted by: Gas Turbine Toilets at March 17, 2019 01:09 PM (JkmIf)

140 Hey rickl,

Please start using tinyurl...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...anti-Semite at March 17, 2019 01:09 PM (wYseH)

141 114 Tesla's plan was broadcast free electricity everywhere so we could have flying cars. So much for that.
Posted by: freaked at March 17, 2019 01:01 PM (UdKB7)

Well I suppose if they ever come up with a way to do that, I guess we all will be able to levitate and shoot lightning bolts out of our fingers.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 17, 2019 01:09 PM (V2Yro)

142 Okay, for all my griping about the stupid eco-twits, the old-timey Ducks Unlimited folk showed me a simple solution for one of the rather unpleasant facts of careless waste disposal: necklacing wildlife on sixpack rings. Just use kitchen scissors and cut them up before putting them in the garbage. I really dislike that kind of carelessness and it is a simple, personal solution, and also protects your pets and kids. No government; just commonsense.
Posted by: mustbequantum at March 17, 2019 12:56 PM (MIKMs)

You could also put your sixpack rings in the trash, from whence they will be buried in a landfill, instead of throwing them into the lake.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 17, 2019 01:09 PM (nPGq2)

143 hey anyone else but me see the video of the NZ shooting?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2019 01:10 PM (Y+V3r)

144 A sign of changing times which amuses me.

My current town used to be a factory town. The library has a WPA-era mural of brawny Socialist Realism workers at a forge engulfed in smoke.

In the 30s factory smoke was a sign of success.

https://bit.ly/1LlwL2l

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 17, 2019 01:10 PM (fuK7c)

145 Comrades!!!
Global warming denier, Patrick Moore, ...google erase him from founding Green Peace. ...
https://tinyurl.com/y6xxws78
This is how good comrades deal with the kulaks and hoarders. Comrades the future is going to be glorious, GLORIOUS!!!!

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 17, 2019 12:49 PM (pw+jk)

All your children and all school children use Google Apps for Education.

We will let you die in peach but we will own the world.

Posted by: Ghoogle at March 17, 2019 01:11 PM (ePWRo)

146 A coal-powered airplane, while extraordinarily inefficient, is not impossible. I say we go for it.
Posted by: Gas Turbine Toilets at March 17, 2019 01:09 PM (JkmIf

Why not restart the nuclear bomber program? Worked so well last time? LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2019 01:11 PM (Y+V3r)

147 I like cookies

Chapter 6 of The Collapse of Complex Societies by Joseph Tainter notes that the law of diminishing returns is the mechanism of collapse. Ask a scientist if mechanisms are important for how things happen.

But the author says (in 198

that it can't happen here because we have a strong USSR, EU, Great Britain, and USA,

Gulp.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 17, 2019 01:12 PM (u82oZ)

148 Something like 20 years ago I read some article about solar tiles which would look nice installed on roofs. They never made it to market. My dad was thinking about doing solar here but. A) the house roof doesn't point enough to the south so the utility company was saying the panels would have to be installed just out in horse pen area. and B) he talked to someone who had solar and told him that the insurance in case of hail taking out the system wiped out the savings/rebates.

Solar on roofs that is tied into the grid might make sense in places like Arizona where AC probably sucks up more energy during the long summer days when the panels are working.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at March 17, 2019 01:12 PM (pAkRe)

149 but at least she is not CBD's sister

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2019 01:06 PM (Y+V3r)

You're a lucky man.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...anti-Semite at March 17, 2019 01:12 PM (wYseH)

150 Local "Green" applications - yes, there are several. I remember when Obama first took office there was a lot of talk about how Geothermal was going to be the Next Big Thing, like they do in Iceland. Well, it turns out that Geothermal is great, just as long as you live on top of a huge pool of liquid magma that's pretty close to the surface. If you don't, then forget it. It won't work.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 17, 2019 01:12 PM (V2Yro)

151 hey anyone else but me see the video of the NZ shooting?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2019 01:10 PM (Y+V3r)

I don't wish to see things I can't unsee.
But I heard the guy was a pro.

Posted by: JoeF. at March 17, 2019 01:13 PM (NFEMn)

152 You can do worse than waste some time on XbradTC's Twitter. There's a hilarious pairing of Pelosi's quote about lowering the voting age to 16 with a clip of some teen skaterboyz doing an X-treme trick and accidentally lighting some pants on fire.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 17, 2019 01:13 PM (kQs4Y)

153 And the French are giving up their nuclear power. The one thing they got right on the economic front. Of course screw it up for no good reason.

Posted by: Quint at March 17, 2019 01:13 PM (n13/j)

154 Here is the answer I wrote Zombie back in early 2017, when this came up.

Taxes and regulations were lower under the barbarians. The last great Western Roman General was assassinated by a weak Emperor.

There were few defenders of the Empire and the status quo, as everyone but a privileged few disliked the government of the time. Plus education, for the elites, was out of whack with what was needed for the time. An oligarchy existed, with a classic education and manner of speech needed to be considered an elite. Not as open to new talent. And after the barbarians took over, the elites were shunted aside within two generations.

The definitive mechanism for a societal collapse is The Law of Diminishing Returns. Go long enough taking more effort to get similar results and that society will collapse.

So we're good, right? Right?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 17, 2019 01:14 PM (u82oZ)

155 So little faith in fusion? It's less then 10 years away.

Posted by: Newest Nic

Like Brazil, Fusion appears to be the power of the future, and may always be.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 17, 2019 01:14 PM (mUa7G)

156 But I heard the guy was a pro.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 17, 2019 01:13 PM (NFEMn)

He was pretty accurate. It was a brutal video.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2019 01:14 PM (Y+V3r)

157
So, since wind power is intermittent, but it has to be stable to be hooked up to the grid, every wind plant is backed up by nat gas burners - and in fact, these nat gas burners are what are actually running 40% to 60% of the time. BUT they still get the subsidized wind power rates, which is IMMENSELY profitable!

So in fact, Wind Power is in effect a scheme to double or triple the price an energy company can get for it's nat gas plants. And everyone knows it, both in industry, and government, and no one says anything, because that would get all the Enviro's upset. And Industry has decided that it's better to keep the Enviro's happy, make the proles feel virtuous, and make incredible profits.

And that, in just about any permutation, is what any Green Deal is all about.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 17, 2019 01:04 PM (V2Yro)

Also, didn't T. Boone Pickens dabble in wind power.... because in getting the leases under Fed rules for wind farms, he'd also have the option of extracting natural gas from the same land.

At least, that's the way I remember the episode from a couple of years ago.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 17, 2019 01:14 PM (veoSD)

158 You could also put your sixpack rings in the trash, from whence they will be buried in a landfill, instead of throwing them into the lake.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 17, 2019 01:09 PM (nPGq2)

Real Men don't use scissors. Real Men loop them all together and then pull all 6 rings in half with one tug.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 17, 2019 01:14 PM (V2Yro)

159 The book was written in 1988.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 17, 2019 01:14 PM (u82oZ)

160 Local "Green" applications - yes, there are several. I remember when Obama first took office there was a lot of talk about how Geothermal was going to be the Next Big Thing, like they do in Iceland. Well, it turns out that Geothermal is great, just as long as you live on top of a huge pool of liquid magma that's pretty close to the surface. If you don't, then forget it. It won't work.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 17, 2019 01:12 PM (V2Yro)

Hawaii had the geothermal plant that had to shut down when lava from the last eruption almost overran the whole site of the power plant. Don't know if it back up and running yet.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 17, 2019 01:14 PM (1g7ch)

161 The island recently put up 5 offshore wind turbines to generate 30 MW of energy for the island and it works great. That's the kind of application it works perfectly for but no way in hell would that model scale to serve all of the country.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2019 01:07 PM (/tuJf)

so what do they do when the wind doesn't blow?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 17, 2019 01:15 PM (nPGq2)

162 We surrender!

Posted by: Slow Fwench Nuetrons at March 17, 2019 01:15 PM (Tyii7)

163 Research indicates that the best de-icing fluid for windmills is Penguin blood.

Posted by: Burger Chef at March 17, 2019 01:15 PM (RuIsu)

164
Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 17, 2019 01:12 PM (u82oZ)

Looks like an interesting book. Thanks.

Posted by: I like cookies at March 17, 2019 01:15 PM (xxAFD)

165 Hey CBD, you must be familiar with Tillotson Pearson, right? In addition to being a fairly large builder of sail and power boats they were a leader in composite technology construction using newer materials like carbon fiber and techniques like vacuum bagging.

Guess what they are building now?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2019 01:15 PM (/tuJf)

166 Also, didn't T. Boone Pickens dabble in wind power.... because in getting the leases under Fed rules for wind farms, he'd also have the option of extracting natural gas from the same land.

At least, that's the way I remember the episode from a couple of years ago.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 17, 2019 01:14 PM (veoSD)

Yes, I recall that as well. It's funny, Enviro's hate the idea of leasing federal land for resource extraction (even though the Feds make a LOT of money that way) but if you tell them it's a Green Energy Project, they'll fall all over themselves saying what a Wonderful Idea it is.

fundamentalists have always been ridiculously easy to fool.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 17, 2019 01:16 PM (V2Yro)

167 But I heard the guy was a pro.

Posted by: JoeF. at March 17, 2019 01:13 PM (NFEMn)]/i]

I watched it, and if you consider him a pro because he had some reasonable skill at handling his weapon, then I guess he was. But he was shooting unarmed people, which makes him a cocksucking scumbag coward.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 17, 2019 01:17 PM (wYseH)

168 I have seen a few Muzzy executions, not as a thrill but just to see evil in its face and to know its evil. Would watch the NZ murders for same reason. Killing innocent civilians is always evil.

Posted by: Skip at March 17, 2019 01:18 PM (BbGew)

169 >>so what do they do when the wind doesn't blow?

One of the reasons it became the first offshore wind farm in the US is it is pretty much always blowing out there. Also the reason this region is the sailing capital of the US.

But the farm is plugged into the grid for the rare occasions it is needed.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2019 01:18 PM (/tuJf)

170 Hawaii had the geothermal plant that had to shut down when lava from the last eruption almost overran the whole site of the power plant. Don't know if it back up and running yet.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 17, 2019 01:14 PM (1g7ch)

Lol, I doubt it. It turns out that building your plant on top of a huge pool of liquid magma has some other problems.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 17, 2019 01:19 PM (V2Yro)

171 solar on a roof can make "sense" if electric rates are over $0.12 / kWh, imo. Especially in the SW where there is mucho sun, and the main peak rate thing is daytime for AC.

Now, how much of that is due to subsidy and poor energy planning (shutting down coal, not building more nuke), idk. But since government is not getting any smarter, those arguments are hypothetical.

there is currently a 30% rebate off taxes, for people that pay taxes. Some states offer more subsidy. In the SW at say $0.20/kWh peak rate, a 10k array could be worth $7/day on average, year round. If one can self install, that would cost maybe $15,000. That is $2500/year return ... pretty good ... 17% return, should last 25 years for the panels and wiring, inverter might not last that long.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 17, 2019 01:19 PM (Cus5s)

172 I watched it, and if you consider him a pro
because he had some reasonable skill at handling his weapon, then I
guess he was. But he was shooting unarmed people, which makes him a
cocksucking scumbag coward.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 17, 2019 01:17 PM (wYseH)

This.

The news called the DC sniper a pro. No, you are killing innocents shit bird.

Posted by: Quint at March 17, 2019 01:19 PM (n13/j)

173 T. Boone Pickens

Ah, there is a name I heard in the early oughts.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 17, 2019 01:20 PM (u82oZ)

174 Growing up in Ohio's Mahoning Valley, I used to think a little smoke in the air and a pink sky from a blast furnace pouring a heat were perfectly normal. Another problem solved. If the unions didn't run the steel mills out, the EPA did. Now the only smoke is from Burger King cooking those flambroiled sammiches.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at March 17, 2019 01:20 PM (xzqr4)

175
I have a lot of south facing windows on my house. I've read that they lose 1% of the insulating gas in them per year. I had to replace one of the casement windows about ten years ago. In late fall, before I crank the heat up and we get a cold night, the other 20 plus year old windows will get condensation on the inside of them, but not the 'newer' one.

So the break even on solar is most likely based on projections from new glass and gas, not on the 20th year.

(Something interesting I've noticed is that none of my north and east facing windows ever have a condensation issue. Almost as if exposure to the more intense thermal range of the south facing windows expedites the outward migration of the insulating gas. Just something to keep in mind if thinking of purchasing replacement windows. Your north and east ones might be fine for a lot longer.)

Posted by: Newest Nic at March 17, 2019 01:21 PM (jYje5)

176 For those of you worrying about your flat TV energy consumption...

Don't...

Plasmas are the worst at about $8.13 a month. That's for a 65 inch.

https://cnet.co/2Hu3Hw6

*off to crank up my Tahoe...*

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 01:21 PM (OE84+)

177 T. Boone's wind farm was to be built on top of an aquifer. He wanted to sell the water to Dallas and lay the pipe.

He expected to make money by laying pipe and selling water. When Dallas dropped the deal T. Boone stopped the wind plans. poof

Posted by: Braenyard at March 17, 2019 01:21 PM (ePWRo)

178 162 Slow Fwench Nuetrons

That funny. And I do not care who you are.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 17, 2019 01:22 PM (u82oZ)

179 Has anyone tried whale oil as a windmill to prevent ice build up?
Sure keeps the whale from freezing

Posted by: Skip at March 17, 2019 01:23 PM (BbGew)

180 Plasmas are the worst at about $8.13 a month. That's for a 65 inch.

https://cnet.co/2Hu3Hw6

*off to crank up my Tahoe...*
Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 01:21 PM (OE84+)

My TV energy consumption is zero. Why support the Leftist cocksuckers in Hollyweird?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 17, 2019 01:23 PM (nPGq2)

181
T. Boone's wind farm was to be built on top of an aquifer. He wanted to sell the water to Dallas and lay the pipe.

He expected to make money by laying pipe and selling water. When Dallas dropped the deal T. Boone stopped the wind plans. poof

Posted by: Braenyard at March 17, 2019 01:21 PM (ePWRo)

The Paolo is pleased to lay the pipe as well.

Posted by: The Paolo at March 17, 2019 01:24 PM (veoSD)

182 Who has plasma TVs anymore?

Posted by: freaked at March 17, 2019 01:25 PM (UdKB7)

183 A guy who heads one of the anti/energy groups in NY wrote in the free paper AM New York last week that natural gas is "dirty" energy.

Because fracking.

Posted by: mercenary13 at March 17, 2019 01:27 PM (kOdoV)

184 The energy expense of my monitor is offset by its contribution to warming the room.

Posted by: Braenyard at March 17, 2019 01:28 PM (ePWRo)

185 Who has plasma TVs anymore?
Posted by: freaked at March 17, 2019 01:25 PM (UdKB7)

I have three.

One is a 2004 model.

The other a 2006.

Have one at work that's a 2006.

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 01:28 PM (OE84+)

186 "Muslim students blame Chelsea Clinton for New Zealand massacre" over at powerlineblog

More of this please.

Posted by: I like cookies at March 17, 2019 01:28 PM (xxAFD)

187 Something interesting I've noticed is that none of my north and east
facing windows ever have a condensation issue. Almost as if exposure to
the more intense thermal range of the south facing windows expedites the
outward migration of the insulating gas. Just something to keep in mind
if thinking of purchasing replacement windows. Your north and east ones
might be fine for a lot longer
=====

Mine do. Frost. Again, consider your local climate because what works in a place that rarely gets below freezing and those places that are winter subzero are totally different.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 17, 2019 01:28 PM (MIKMs)

188 A guy who heads one of the anti/energy groups in NY wrote in the free paper AM New York last week that natural gas is "dirty" energy.

Because fracking.
Posted by: mercenary13 at March 17, 2019 01:27 PM (kOdoV)

What do you expect from a pig, but a grunt?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 17, 2019 01:29 PM (nPGq2)

189 if the progressive left half of the country turns off their energy, doesn't that give us another 12 years?

Posted by: Quint at March 17, 2019 01:29 PM (n13/j)

190 And drink good whiskey

This is key. The 'e' signifies excellent. And today is a particularly good time to partake in the other whiskey with an 'e', Irish whiskey!

Of course, any time is a good time of Irish or good bourbon.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 17, 2019 01:29 PM (DMUuz)

191
I think I looked at the difference in quality between a plasma and an LED tv, then looked at the annual power consumption and made my decision based on that.

LED is good enough.

Posted by: Newest Nic at March 17, 2019 01:30 PM (jYje5)

192 "Muslim students blame Chelsea Clinton for New Zealand massacre" over at powerlineblog

More of this please.
Posted by: I like cookies at March 17, 2019 01:28 PM (xxAFD)

It's fun to see any Clinton take it in the shorts, but the story only shows us how deranged most of the Left truly is.....

Posted by: JoeF. at March 17, 2019 01:30 PM (NFEMn)

193 I have three windows to replace. 2 south and 1 west. They are arched at the top. I'm dreading the cost.

Posted by: Infidel at March 17, 2019 01:30 PM (9L2du)

194 Chelsea converts to Mohammet.

Posted by: Braenyard at March 17, 2019 01:30 PM (ePWRo)

195 I forgot the sark tag.

Posted by: Braenyard at March 17, 2019 01:31 PM (ePWRo)

196 Last three have been LED.

Samsungs, all.

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 01:31 PM (OE84+)

197 my hope is the regular looney-left splits from this hyper-looney version. It would be cool if one side backs a dude and the other a chick. We need more PUMAS.

Posted by: Quint at March 17, 2019 01:32 PM (n13/j)

198 "One is a 2004 model"

That has lasted a long time for a modern TV . They were $10k for 50" models back then. Anyway I should have said "makes plasma TVs anymore. "

Posted by: freaked at March 17, 2019 01:32 PM (UdKB7)

199 A guy who heads one of the anti/energy groups in NY wrote in the free
paper AM New York last week that natural gas is "dirty" energy.
=====

Green Energy = Good; Brown Energy = Bad.

(I think there is something about four legs/two legs in there, but I am just quoting my local City.)

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 17, 2019 01:32 PM (MIKMs)

200 This past weekend, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo made that threat real. He stated that any member of the ICC who was involved in a criminal investigation of Israelis would be blocked from traveling to the US and might face financial sanctions.

But PDT is an antisemite and a Nazi?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2019 01:32 PM (Y+V3r)

201 My TV energy consumption is zero.

Same here. Cut the cord three years ago and rarely miss it. Have to admit though that I didn't watch much TV to begin with.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 17, 2019 01:32 PM (Tyii7)

202 It's fun to see any Clinton take it in the shorts, but the story only shows us how deranged most of the Left truly is.....

Posted by: JoeF. at March 17, 2019 01:30 PM (NFEMn)

My simplified version of history: When the democrats became infected with hippies, the war-monger democrats became neocon Republicans. So I suppose there is peril there. But still funny.

Posted by: I like cookies at March 17, 2019 01:33 PM (xxAFD)

203 182 Who has plasma TVs anymore?

Posted by: freaked at March 17, 2019 01:25 PM (UdKB7)

I do. Two 50-inchers. They are a 2013 model LG and a 2014 model Samsung. I bought them in May 2015; some of the last new-in-box ones I could find on the interweb.

Bee-utiful picture from both.

Posted by: Gref at March 17, 2019 01:33 PM (AMIL/)

204 And drink good whiskey

This is key. The 'e' signifies excellent. And today is a
particularly good time to partake in the other whiskey with an 'e',
Irish whiskey!

Of course, any time is a good time of Irish or good bourbon.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 17, 2019 01:29 PM (DMUuz)

I had steak last night. Tonight was supposed to be salmon. But on may way out to get some whiskey, I might get another steak.

Posted by: Quint at March 17, 2019 01:33 PM (n13/j)

205 Last three have been LED.

Samsungs, all.
Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 01:31 PM (OE84+)

I'm glad you are subsidizing the Hollywood Commies. Means I don't have to. Dirty job, but somebody's got to do it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 17, 2019 01:33 PM (nPGq2)

206 Talk about climate change... if they would just turn off those damn turbines, it would't get any where near as windy here.

Posted by: Anchovy at March 17, 2019 01:35 PM (B3kya)

207 The biggest quibbles I have with modern cars:

-They all look similar due to crash worthiness and wind tunnel testing for aerodynamics.

-Lack of an ashtray (and I do not even smoke anymore.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 17, 2019 01:35 PM (ycWCI)

208 I've got a 17" LCD TV as my primary. It runs off a 12v wall wart and would easily run off a car battery for a day or two.

Posted by: freaked at March 17, 2019 01:35 PM (UdKB7)

209 6MW turbines - what is the blade radius on those, 250 feet?

Posted by: rammajamma at March 17, 2019 01:36 PM (xceTB)

210
My TV energy consumption is zero. Why support the Leftist cocksuckers in Hollyweird?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 17, 2019 01:23 PM (nPGq2)

+1

Posted by: Ha at March 17, 2019 01:36 PM (MAstk)

211 I had steak last night. Tonight was supposed to be salmon. But on may way out to get some whiskey, I might get another steak.

Posted by: Quint at March 17, 2019 01:33 PM (n13/j)

Bears eat salmon. Bears are the symbol of Russia. You don't want to collude with Russia, do you?

Posted by: I like cookies at March 17, 2019 01:36 PM (xxAFD)

212 there is currently a 30% rebate off taxes, for
people that pay taxes. Some states offer more subsidy. In the SW at say
$0.20/kWh peak rate, a 10k array could be worth $7/day on average, year
round. If one can self install, that would cost maybe $15,000. That is
$2500/year return ... pretty good ... 17% return, should last 25 years
for the panels and wiring, inverter might not last that long.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 17, 2019 01:19 PM (Cus5s)

===
lots of optimistic assumptions there.
1. Assuming maximum output for all day.
2. Assuming maximum output every day.
3. Assuming maximum output without cleaning panels fairly often.
4. Maximum out put without changing the inclination of the cells.
5. Maximum output without changing the declination of the cells.
6. Maximum out put over the life of the cell.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 17, 2019 01:36 PM (pw+jk)

213 The biggest quibbles I have with modern cars:

-They all look similar due to crash worthiness and wind tunnel testing for aerodynamics.

-Lack of an ashtray (and I do not even smoke anymore.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 17, 2019 01:35 PM (ycWCI)

And you need engineer's papers to tune the radio, or set the clock.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 17, 2019 01:37 PM (nPGq2)

214 I'm glad you are subsidizing the Hollywood Commies. Means I don't have to. Dirty job, but somebody's got to do it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 17, 2019 01:33 PM (nPGq2)

Come on dude.

Didn't say you did. We cut the cord.

But yes YouTube is the ebil, too. And OTA.

At least not giving ESPN $7.50 a month. Nor CNN $2.00.

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 01:37 PM (OE84+)

215 mustbequantum at March 17, 2019 12:24 PM (MIKMs)

Excellent book on the subject of ravens is "Mind of the Raven" by Bernd Heinrich. Fascinating read.

Posted by: Grannymimi at March 17, 2019 01:38 PM (u5LFV)

216 Talk about climate change... if they would just turn off those damn turbines, it would't get any where near as windy here.
Posted by: Anchovy at March 17, 2019 01:35 PM (B3kya)

At least all those windmills will keep the turtles cool.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 17, 2019 01:38 PM (t+qrx)

217 hey anyone else but me see the video of the NZ shooting?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2019 01:10 PM (Y+V3r)

--

It's worse than you think.

Apparently the New Zealand government is blocking websites and requesting IP addresses and email addresses of people who viewed it/discussed the video, and Google removed or changed their search algorithms to make it harder find videos and information on.

Some moron linked to this yesterday:

https://twitter.com/nickmon1112

Posted by: Moron Robbie - search engine expert at March 17, 2019 01:38 PM (xyung)

218 Low-e replacement thermopanes 30" x 60" we only ~$75, sold as replacement glass, no frames, except the metal inside the glass to hold the glass. a custom arch would probably be much more ... maybe add stained glass at the top of the arch for some interest? or maybe it won't be that much, but sounds tricky.

I love the big thermopanes, replacing old sliders with aluminum storms. Not aesthetically pleasing from the outside for everyone ... that doens't bother me.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 17, 2019 01:38 PM (Cus5s)

219 Modern car cabs are too small, the seats are too small and stiff.

Posted by: Braenyard at March 17, 2019 01:38 PM (ePWRo)

220 It's funny - when I gave up cable TV, the one thing I thought I might miss would be the NFL on Sundays. Them going full SJW took care of that one in fine fashion for me.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 17, 2019 01:39 PM (Tyii7)

221 They are spraying a Glycol mixture for de-icing the blades (giant airfoils/wings/AIRPORTS). At airports around the country, and in many nations of the world, the runoff is required to be captured, and cleaned, before it is released into the water tables. Glycol is ANTIFREEZE, HARMFUL TO THE ENVIRONMENT. The same stuff that we put into our automobile radiators. That same hideous stuff that if left out, in an open pan, will attract cats and dogs in for a lil taste. It is poison to wildlife and pets alike. Yet the libs support (turn a blind eye) to its use when it comes to one of their pet projects.

Posted by: G.W. Long at March 17, 2019 01:39 PM (xfGoD)

222 The biggest quibbles I have with modern cars:

-They all look similar due to crash worthiness and wind tunnel testing for aerodynamics.

-Lack of an ashtray (and I do not even smoke anymore.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 17, 2019 01:35 PM (ycWCI)

You used to be able to tell make/model/year at night just from the shape of the headlights or taillights. It wasn't even that long ago.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 17, 2019 01:40 PM (t+qrx)

223 he biggest quibbles I have with modern cars:

-They all look similar due to crash worthiness and wind tunnel testing for aerodynamics.

-Lack of an ashtray (and I do not even smoke anymore.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 17, 2019 01:35 PM (ycWCI)

I had that thought today.

NASCAR is 3,800 pounds per car.

Thought my truck was relatively lightweight and is 5,200.

I thought unibody was the way.

NASCAR cars are sheet metal and a roll cage.

What come out best in a 150 MPH crash?

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 01:40 PM (OE84+)

224 But yes YouTube is the ebil, too. And OTA.

At least not giving ESPN $7.50 a month. Nor CNN $2.00.
Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 01:37 PM (OE84+)

Just funnin' with you, golfman. Cutting the cable is a real good start. Good on you.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 17, 2019 01:40 PM (nPGq2)

225 Great post!

Here in the People's Democratic (boy, is that appropriate) Republic of California, I had occasion to drive on the Pacific Coast Highway the other day.

The brain trust has seen fit to convert one of the two lanes in each direction into a bike lane. Not added a little bike lane, but x-ed out half of an entire with zebra stripes, and THEN added a little bike lane. This is for all the non-existent cyclists out there.

But the brain trust only did this for half a dozen blocks, or so at a time, here and there. I guess the rest of the time those delightful non-existent cyclists will have to take their chances with an ordinary bike lane.

Meanwhile, you can imagine the traffic snarls this idiotic program causes, as two heavily-trafficked lanes go down to one, repeatedly. /spit

I'm at the point where I reflexively, constitutively oppose anything any liberal proposes, on the grounds that it's almost certainly imbecilic.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 17, 2019 01:40 PM (gHApq)

226
Anything I can get on my computer screen I can get on my television screens. I'm enjoying the freedom to watch music videos, older comedies, actually purchase a movie with a conservative message, and anything that suits my urges at the moment.

Cable can die, but streaming is very, very good. Freedom is good.

Hollywood may make a few cents off me per year, but only for a message I approve.

Posted by: Newest Nic at March 17, 2019 01:41 PM (jYje5)

227 It's worse than you think.

Apparently the New Zealand government is blocking websites and requesting IP addresses and email addresses of people who viewed it/discussed the video, and Google removed or changed their search algorithms to make it harder find videos and information on.

Some moron linked to this yesterday:

https://twitter.com/nickmon1112
Posted by: Moron Robbie - search engine expert at March 17, 2019 01:38 PM (xyung)

One poor 22 YO has been arrested for possessing the vid.

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 01:42 PM (OE84+)

228 Just funnin' with you, golfman. Cutting the cable is a real good start. Good on you.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 17, 2019 01:40 PM (nPGq2)

All good. Took some convincing for the golf lady, though.

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 01:43 PM (OE84+)

229 What's up with these old guys and their "modern" car complaints? We didn't have it so good back in the 70s, either, with those little Pintos and Vegas. I ain't even goin' there with the AMC Gremlin.

Posted by: mrp at March 17, 2019 01:43 PM (Pqytn)

230 One poor 22 YO has been arrested for possessing the vid.

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 01:42 PM (OE84+)

-

Holy cow.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, search engine expert at March 17, 2019 01:44 PM (xyung)

231 All good. Took some convincing for the golf lady, though.
Posted by: golfman

Convincing my wife is the problem here too.
"But, can I watch....?"

NO!

Posted by: Bruce at March 17, 2019 01:44 PM (8ikIW)

232 The GOP showing signs of testicular fortitude.

https://bit.ly/2ObaQ51

Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2019 01:44 PM (/tuJf)

233 "lots of optimistic assumptions there.
1. Assuming maximum output for all day."

no, that is figuring the hours per day by charts on that thing. the SW gets twice as much as me, but that is still 6 hours a day worth ... not all day. Panels also have guarantees now ... for like 80% after 15 years or something. and that is for a fixed system ... changing inclination can add maybe 5%. nobody changes declination on larger systems ... (if you mean east west tilt)

Posted by: illiniwek at March 17, 2019 01:45 PM (Cus5s)

234 Link...

https://bit.ly/2TGBwRh

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 01:45 PM (OE84+)

235 Apparently the New Zealand government is blocking websites and
requesting IP addresses and email addresses of people who viewed
it/discussed the video...One poor 22 YO has been arrested for possessing the vid.

Da! Things are shaping up quite nicely!

Posted by: Zombie Uncle Joe Stalin at March 17, 2019 01:45 PM (Tyii7)

236 Personally, as I have ranted in the past, the perfect energy plan is to build about 100 standardized nuclear power plants while technology advances in battery development and other market-based answers to future energy challenges.
......

yeah, I've argued this for years. Clean, zero-carbon-footprint energy for the next 50 years while technology advances in other areas.

There was an article in Pop Sci recently.. 2 young college professors are proposing building small molten salt nuclear reactors as a test project. Shoulda been done decades ago.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 17, 2019 01:46 PM (438dO)

237 There is nothing to be learned from the massacre video.

Well armed man walks into room and murders unarmed people - shooting fish in a barrel.

Posted by: Braenyard at March 17, 2019 01:46 PM (ePWRo)

238 That same hideous stuff that if left out, in an open pan, will attract cats and dogs in for a lil taste. It is poison to wildlife and pets alike. Yet the libs support (turn a blind eye) to its use when it comes to one of their pet projects.
Posted by: G.W. Long at March 17, 2019 01:39 PM (xfGoD)

They use propylene glycol, same stuff as RV water system antifreeze. Non-toxic.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 17, 2019 01:46 PM (nPGq2)

239
If I told my wife now we were going back to cable she'd have me committed. She absolutely loves everything about streaming.

Posted by: Newest Nic at March 17, 2019 01:47 PM (jYje5)

240 I love the big thermopanes, replacing old sliders with aluminum storms.
Not aesthetically pleasing from the outside for everyone ... that
doens't bother me.
=====

I got rid of the big sliders by doubling up narrower double hung. Aesthetically good and if (heaven forfend) I have to replace a pane, it isn't quite as spendy.

For the arch problem: I like arches, but how about the three-pane glass lights panels on top of regular doublehung? I know it is not as 'cool', but for longer-term you still have the light value without the custom cost. I'm poor and cheap, YMMV.

Posted by: mustbequantum at March 17, 2019 01:47 PM (MIKMs)

241 Nice police state you have there, New Zealand!

Posted by: Zombie Uncle Joe Stalin at March 17, 2019 01:47 PM (Tyii7)

242 We got Blexit.

Now we have Jexodus.

#winning.

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 01:47 PM (OE84+)

243 They are washing this NZ down the drain to me, just like after 9/11 it seems pictures were being scrubbed quickly from view. Never could figure why, to hide evidence or shorten memory.

Posted by: Skip at March 17, 2019 01:48 PM (BbGew)

244 And you need engineer's papers to tune the radio, or set the clock.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 17, 2019 01:37 PM (nPGq2)

Replace a tail light assembly? Sure. Just clear your schedule for the afternoon, then remove the rear surround (bumper) by undoing half a dozen fasteners and bolts, undo the fasteners inside the trunk, peel back the trunk bed liner, unfasten three bolts on the assembly, then gently bump the assembly out with your hand while pushing a locking thingy-bob. Nothing to it.

And then reverse all of this, of course, with the new one.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 17, 2019 01:48 PM (gHApq)

245 We all have to decide on our own. I had to get rid of Nutflix and Bezos
Prime. Those did not sit well with me. What want to avoid most is paying Silicon Valley. Dvd's still work and I never
buy them new.

Posted by: Quint at March 17, 2019 01:48 PM (n13/j)

246 oh, and a 10k system only produces maybe 7.5k watts, at peak. so I figured that ... but that was just off the top of my head.

I may still do it, but not as cost effective here, plus my utility wants more liability insurance than I have, and I'd lose most of my discount rate for the heat pump. But any return beat 1% or so on a CD, and stocks are risky. AND I want to discount the chance of a Prez AOC coming for me ... have to turn "green", not just for St Patty's day.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 17, 2019 01:49 PM (Cus5s)

247 If I told my wife now we were going back to cable she'd have me committed. She absolutely loves everything about streaming.
Posted by: Newest Nic at March 17, 2019 01:47 PM (jYje5)

The hardest part was teaching Golflady the right buttons to push on the remotes.

After that, easy peasy.

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 01:49 PM (OE84+)

248 I'm at the point where I reflexively, constitutively
oppose anything any liberal proposes, on the grounds that it's almost
certainly imbecilic.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 17, 2019 01:40 PM (gHApq)

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You'll be right 99% of the time.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 17, 2019 01:50 PM (pw+jk)

249 They are washing this NZ down the drain to me, just like after 9/11 it seems pictures were being scrubbed quickly from view. Never could figure why, to hide evidence or shorten memory.

Posted by: Skip

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I read that the mosque had something posted that squared the circle for the shooter to specifically choose it, and it was scrubbed, too.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, search engine expert at March 17, 2019 01:51 PM (xyung)

250 The proles across the globe seem to be waxing nostalgic for 5 hour bread lines and relatives disappearing in the night, never to be seen or heard from again.

Posted by: Zombie Uncle Joe Stalin at March 17, 2019 01:51 PM (Tyii7)

251 The Gillette stuff is gathering dust. I bought a vintage Eversharp (Schick) injector razor, and pulled out the shaving soap. No more P 'n G stuff for me.

Posted by: mrp at March 17, 2019 01:51 PM (Pqytn)

252 I read that the mosque had something posted that squared the circle for the shooter to specifically choose it, and it was scrubbed, too.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, search engine expert at March 17, 2019 01:51 PM (xyung)

I'm not sure I follow. The mosque specifically called him out or...?

Posted by: hogmartin at March 17, 2019 01:52 PM (t+qrx)

253 Meanwhile, you can imagine the traffic snarls this idiotic program causes, as two heavily-trafficked lanes go down to one, repeatedly. /spit
I'm at the point where I reflexively, constitutively oppose anything any liberal proposes, on the grounds that it's almost certainly imbecilic.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 17, 2019 01:40 PM (gHApq)

Yup....in my AO they installed bike lanes on a major local highway/Death Race 2020 run.

Every few months some idiot gets run over and killed because he is riding a bike you see, and per the rules of Death Race 2020, a bike plus rider are worth 500 points. Then the whole bike riding community gets all roiled up because they can't understand that the meth head drivers don't care one wit about them and their bikes.

Frankenstein smiles......

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 17, 2019 01:52 PM (Z+IKu)

254 234 Link...

https://bit.ly/2TGBwRh
Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 01:45 PM (OE84+)

"Police have charged a 22-year-old man with video offences following Friday's terror attacks in Christchurch.

The man will appear in Christchurch District Court on Monday morning charged with offences under the Films Videos and Publications Classification Act."

Can you just see the Reds here drooling with envy? They'd allow video of the grossest perversions, and suppress anything that even whiffed of patriotism, or criticism of them. (Oftentimes the same thing.)

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 17, 2019 01:52 PM (gHApq)

255 Can you just see the Reds here drooling with envy? They'd allow video of the grossest perversions, and suppress anything that even whiffed of patriotism, or criticism of them. (Oftentimes the same thing.)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

If it was a transvestite sodomizing a goat, it would be required viewing in grade school

Posted by: Bruce at March 17, 2019 01:54 PM (8ikIW)

256 The 1000 nukes is a no brainer. Use a common design. 1000s of Sailors know the basics and would make great operators. Combine that with a boring technology that allow the power to be routed underground. POW! Clean Air!

Posted by: rhennigantx at March 17, 2019 01:54 PM (JFO2v)

257 Police have charged a 22-year-old man with video offences

Video offenses? Heh.

Posted by: Zombie Uncle Joe Stalin at March 17, 2019 01:54 PM (Tyii7)

258 The part that amazes me if the murderer outright said he was doing it to troll politicians and create backlash against guns in order to increase social unrest (even in America), and look at what is happening.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, search engine expert at March 17, 2019 01:54 PM (xyung)

259 The 1000 nukes is a no brainer. Use a common design. 1000s of Sailors know the basics and would make great operators. Combine that with a boring technology that allow the power to be routed underground. POW! Clean Air!
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 17, 2019 01:54 PM (JFO2v)

Where's Vic?!?!?!?

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 01:56 PM (OE84+)

260 I said this before but the Bic high end stuff like the Flex series lasts for ages in my experience. They are disposables but I can use a three pack for months.
I saw something I the other day I don't recall seeing before. It was a garish looking Gillette stand right in front of the cash register at the local megalomart. I have never seen then so aggressively hawking their wares in that way. It came off to me as a sign of desperation.

Posted by: Quint at March 17, 2019 01:56 PM (n13/j)

261 Yo !

Posted by: Yo! at March 17, 2019 01:56 PM (wcGos)

262 Frankenstein smiles......
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 17, 2019 01:52 PM (Z+IKu)

I suspect he's not alone.

I don't get this fetish for cyclists. OK, a lot of them are asshole liberals apparently, but they're uniformly (SWIDT?) young white males, i.e., the wretched refuse of the earth. On the rare occasion you see a cyclist at all, have rarely do you see a minority, or a woman? (I'm not into the identity politics thing - in fact, detest it - but I'm putting myself into the mindset of the liberals who implement these policies.)

Is it because they look gay in their little outfits? Or because they think Europeons cycle everywhere? What?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 17, 2019 01:57 PM (gHApq)

263 I think it's ridiculous for the NZ Prime Minister to wear a hijab. She wants to support the Muslim community in NZ after this vile attack?-fine, but why are you wearing a hijab if you're not a Muslim?. Coward.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 17, 2019 01:57 PM (AllCR)

264

New Zealand authorities have reminded citizens that they face up to 10 years in prison for "knowingly" possessing a copy of the New Zealand mosque shooting video - and up to 14 years in prison for sharing it. Corporations (such as web hosts) face an additional $200,000 ($137,000 US) fine under the same law.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 17, 2019 01:58 PM (aKsyK)

265 I'm not sure I follow. The mosque specifically called him out or...?

Posted by: hogmartin at March 17, 2019 01:52 PM (t+qrx)

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I'm not entirely sure. I think it was from the prior link. I suspect something Muslim-y that the murderer let stew in his crazy head.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, search engine expert at March 17, 2019 01:58 PM (xyung)

266 no, that is figuring the hours per day by charts on
that thing. the SW gets twice as much as me, but that is still 6 hours a
day worth ... not all day. Panels also have guarantees now ... for like
80% after 15 years or something. and that is for a fixed system ...
changing inclination can add maybe 5%. nobody changes declination on
larger systems ... (if you mean east west tilt)

Posted by: illiniwek at March 17, 2019 01:45 PM (Cus5s)

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Well, I'm pretty sure that having the sun normal to the cells is pretty important. Both up/down and east/west orientations. I think that is just physics and not design of the cell.

If 80% efficiency after 15 years then cells have come a long way from when I was designing and supplying solar cell drying equipment to the industry. 10 years was the industry standard for 1/2 life. Maybe things have come that far in the last 15 years.

I'm not picking a fight but I was heavily involved in the industry 15-20 years ago.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at March 17, 2019 01:59 PM (pw+jk)

267 Video offenses: Dinna rewind.

Posted by: Burger Chef at March 17, 2019 01:59 PM (RuIsu)

268 The part that amazes me if the murderer outright said he was doing it to troll politicians and create backlash against guns in order to increase social unrest (even in America), and look at what is happening.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, search engine expert at March 17, 2019 01:54 PM (xyung)

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Yeah, our idiot pols could not rush to the microphones fast enough to help Socialist shooter boy accomplish his stated goals. Top. Men.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 17, 2019 01:59 PM (ffYR/)

269 Hey
How do you spell cold civil war?

Posted by: Yo! at March 17, 2019 02:00 PM (wcGos)

270 If it was a transvestite sodomizing a goat, it would be required viewing in grade school
Posted by: Bruce at March 17, 2019 01:54 PM (8ikIW)

"OK, class, now we're going to write what used to be called a 'book report,' but we're aware that most of you cannot read. So instead, we're going to watch a video, and those of you who can write - sort of - can text me a 'report' on it."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 17, 2019 02:00 PM (gHApq)

271 Just an aside about the NZ shooting. In Israel they armed guards at all the schools and Houses of Worship. We should here in the USA also. An ounce of prevention

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2019 02:00 PM (Y+V3r)

272 >>The free market can do anything when it is allowed to....so our job as conservatives is to unleash that power and reap the benefits!
And drink good whiskey. And eat rare steaks. And hit the X when we shoot.

My daughter and I are still laughing about this post.
Although I hope it will be a good long time before she gets to the whiskey bit.

Posted by: Katherine at March 17, 2019 02:01 PM (5p9SP)

273 Was it the NZ PM who stated that for the upcoming gun control laws that "there will be NO opposition"? For a tiny island country that depends on the US to protect it from hostile foreign powers, that's mighty bold.

Posted by: mrp at March 17, 2019 02:01 PM (Pqytn)

274
The hardest part was teaching Golflady the right buttons to push on the remotes.

After that, easy peasy.

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 01:49 PM

In the old days, we wrestled dinosaurs, then dragged a woman back to the cave and had our way with her. Now we mansplain how to use the remote and we're deplorable animals.

I spent a couple hours assembling a new tv stand yesterday and added a new sound bar and dvd player. Two more remotes for her to learn.
One for the tv
One for the ota dvr
One for the dvd player
One for the soundbar
One for the firestick

Even I get brain farts and pick up the wrong remote sometimes. It's embarrassing. Like I've lost my manhood and there aren't any dinosaurs around to wrestle and get it back.

Posted by: Newest Nic at March 17, 2019 02:01 PM (jYje5)

275
Is it because they look gay in their little outfits? Or because they think Europeons cycle everywhere? What?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Bobbies on bicycles two by two.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 17, 2019 02:01 PM (aKsyK)

276 Roses are red
And violets are blue
If you invite Islam into your country
What happens next is all on you ...

Posted by: Yo! at March 17, 2019 02:01 PM (wcGos)

277 New Zealand authorities have reminded citizens that they face up to 10
years in prison for "knowingly" possessing a copy of the New Zealand
mosque shooting video - and up to 14 years in prison for sharing it.

That sounds fair. What's all the fuss about?

Posted by: Zombie Lavrentiy Pavlovich Beria at March 17, 2019 02:02 PM (Tyii7)

278 When I was a kid, I was driven past Pittsburgh, PA several times. I remember looking out the car window to see a glowing pink-orange half circle enclosing Pittsburgh. Last few times I drove past Pittsburgh on the Pennsy Turnpike, there's been nothing to see. I don't know if it's because so many steel mills have shut down or if serious emission control cleaned it up or if it is a matter of both. Sadly, I suppose the vast majority of the cleanup was caused by so many kills closing. I wonder how many Chines steel mill towns blow pink-orange today?

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin at March 17, 2019 02:02 PM (ebZss)

279 Don't get it about govt. cyclist fetish?

Every choke point on the street helps herd someone to the bus. They get federal points. It's feather bedding the city workforce. And it's in your face we control not you.

Their are already excellent bike lanes, we used to call them sidewalks. Do people in your area use sidewalks? Not in mine.

Posted by: Braenyard at March 17, 2019 02:03 PM (ePWRo)

280 New Zealand authorities have reminded citizens that they face up to 10 years in prison for "knowingly" possessing a copy of the New Zealand mosque shooting video - and up to 14 years in prison for sharing it. Corporations (such as web hosts) face an additional $200,000 ($137,000 US) fine under the same law.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 17, 2019 01:58 PM (aKsyK)

Possessing child porn? Probation.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 17, 2019 02:03 PM (gHApq)

281 Fen's Law explains all.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 17, 2019 02:04 PM (yQpMk)

282 Even I get brain farts and pick up the wrong remote sometimes. It's embarrassing. Like I've lost my manhood and there aren't any dinosaurs around to wrestle and get it back.
Posted by: Newest Nic at March 17, 2019 02:01 PM (jYje5)

*clap

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 02:04 PM (OE84+)

283 I spent a couple hours assembling a new tv stand yesterday and added a new sound bar and dvd player. Two more remotes for her to learn.
One for the tv
One for the ota dvr
One for the dvd player
One for the soundbar
One for the firestick

Even I get brain farts and pick up the wrong remote sometimes. It's embarrassing. Like I've lost my manhood and there aren't any dinosaurs around to wrestle and get it back.
Posted by: Newest Nic at March 17, 2019 02:01 PM (jYje5)

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This screams for the use of one universal remote. 1-2 hours programming it, and one box controls everything.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 17, 2019 02:04 PM (ffYR/)

284 The new iPhone is suppose have a Fart Sensor?

Hey we had that 55 years ago. When we driving and dad yelled "Roll down the windows"!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2019 02:04 PM (Y+V3r)

285 New Zealand authorities have reminded citizens that they face up to 10 years in prison for "knowingly" possessing a copy of the New Zealand mosque shooting video - and up to 14 years in prison for sharing it. Corporations (such as web hosts) face an additional $200,000 ($137,000 US) fine under the same law.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 17, 2019 01:58 PM (aKsyK)

Prison conversation:

"Whaddya in for?"

Prisoner 1: "Murder."

Prisoner 2: "Smuggling heroin."

Prisoner 3: "Rape."

Prisoner 4: "Having a video."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 17, 2019 02:04 PM (gHApq)

286 NZ lost it when they decided we couldn't dock our nuclear powered vessels their.

Down the tubes they already were.

Posted by: Braenyard at March 17, 2019 02:06 PM (ePWRo)

287 In Israel they armed guards at all the schools and Houses of Worship. We should here in the USA also.

You might be surprised at how many churches already are.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 17, 2019 02:06 PM (yQpMk)

288 This screams for the use of one universal remote. 1-2 hours programming it, and one box controls everything.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 17, 2019 02:04 PM (ffYR/)

Too bad after an hour and a half the batteries go dead.

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 02:06 PM (OE84+)

289 You might be surprised at how many churches already are.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 17, 2019 02:06 PM (yQpMk)

I would be pleasantry surprised. Thanks

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2019 02:06 PM (Y+V3r)

290 Even I get brain farts and pick up the wrong remote sometimes. It's embarrassing. Like I've lost my manhood and there aren't any dinosaurs around to wrestle and get it back.
Posted by: Newest Nic at March 17, 2019 02:01 PM (jYje5)

We got a Roku-enable TV, and Roku wireless speakers, and use Roku for everything. One remote controls the whole works. We love it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 17, 2019 02:06 PM (gHApq)

291 You might be surprised at how many churches already are.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 17, 2019 02:06 PM (yQpMk)

When I welcomed, I kept the brass candleholders close at hand.

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 02:07 PM (OE84+)

292 For the record, I'm not a fan of NZ. I've had co-workers from there, and I was not impressed. Not with their work ethic, nor with their social values.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 17, 2019 02:09 PM (gHApq)

293 NZ lost it when they decided we couldn't dock our nuclear powered vessels their.

Down the tubes they already were.

Posted by: Braenyard at March 17, 2019 02:06 PM (ePWRo)

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I was thinking of that when I read the PM's response to the massacre. A people that can't be trusted to protect themselves. And a government that's self-evidently incapable of protecting the people.

Posted by: mrp at March 17, 2019 02:10 PM (Pqytn)

294 This screams for the use of one universal remote. 1-2 hours programming it, and one box controls everything.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 17, 2019 02:04 PM (ffYR/)

Too bad after an hour and a half the batteries go dead.
Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 02:06 PM (OE84+)

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Not in my experience. I had a good Sony UR and 4 AA batts lasted over a year. I'm not the type to constantly surf though, and it would go to sleep after 30 seconds of non use.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 17, 2019 02:10 PM (ffYR/)

295 James Woods on twitter... When asked if anyone in Hollywood follows him anymore.

"Your mom, when she doesn't have her mouth full..."

He's a Moron.

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 02:10 PM (OE84+)

296 nor with their social values.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 17, 2019 02:09 PM (gHApq)

they pee in hallway? Lift a leg and fart in your direction ( actually I had a navy roommate who did that)?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2019 02:10 PM (Y+V3r)

297 286 NZ lost it when they decided we couldn't dock our nuclear powered vessels their.

Down the tubes they already were.
Posted by: Braenyard at March 17, 2019 02:06 PM (ePWRo)

Eff them. If they ever need us to protect them, I'd let their phone call go through to voice mail.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 17, 2019 02:11 PM (gHApq)

298 Their are already excellent bike lanes, we used to call them sidewalks. Do people in your area use sidewalks? Not in mine.
Posted by: Braenyard at March 17, 2019 02:03 PM (ePWRo)

The university where I used to work (and cycle to work) expanded the sidewalk area and added bike lanes to it without reducing street area (the bike lanes and sidewalk are separated from the street by the curb). Guess what happened?

http://tinyurl.com/y5cycads

I stopped saving clips of idiots on phones swarming the bike lanes after a while because it just never stopped.

Posted by: hogmartin at March 17, 2019 02:11 PM (t+qrx)

299 Not in my experience. I had a good Sony UR and 4 AA batts lasted over a year. I'm not the type to constantly surf though, and it would go to sleep after 30 seconds of non use.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 17, 2019 02:10 PM (ffYR/)

Let off the /jk tag.

Bossman loved his Logitech.

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 02:11 PM (OE84+)

300 they pee in hallway? Lift a leg and fart in your direction ( actually I had a navy roommate who did that)?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2019 02:10 PM (Y+V3r)

Nah. I could live with that.

I mean I thought was back in Berkeley when I dealt with them. Sanctimonious, too.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 17, 2019 02:12 PM (gHApq)

301 I spent a couple hours assembling a new tv stand yesterday and added a new sound bar and dvd player. Two more remotes for her to learn.
One for the tv
One for the ota dvr
One for the dvd player
One for the soundbar
One for the firestick

Even I get brain farts and pick up the wrong remote sometimes. It's embarrassing. Like I've lost my manhood and there aren't any dinosaurs around to wrestle and get it back.
Posted by: Newest Nic

............

If your equipment is fairly modern, the Logitech programmable remotes can take over the functions of most of those others in a single remote.

They ain't cheap, though.. the cheapest one that will do most of that stuff is about $50 at bestBuy.

http://tinyurl.com/y8l3od9j

They have a USB cable you attach to your computer. You then tell the program what models/makes of equipment you want to control. Does a pretty good job.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 17, 2019 02:12 PM (438dO)

302 I'd spend two hour programming my remote only to lose it two hours later.

Posted by: lowandslow at March 17, 2019 02:13 PM (4thlk)

303 I stopped saving clips of idiots on phones swarming the bike lanes after a while because it just never stopped.
Posted by: hogmartin at March 17, 2019 02:11 PM (t+qrx)

This is why when people are looking for intelligent life they look out to outer space.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 17, 2019 02:14 PM (gHApq)

304 I'd spend two hour programming my remote only to lose it two hours later.
Posted by: lowandslow at March 17, 2019 02:13 PM (4thlk)

It's always under the cushion.

Always.

You just didn't look enough.

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 02:14 PM (OE84+)

305 James Woods on twitter... When asked if anyone in Hollywood follows him anymore.

"Your mom, when she doesn't have her mouth full..."

He's a Moron.

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 02:10 PM (OE84+)

It is not a big deal, but I could not have misjudged this guy more. For some reason I didn't like him back in the day. And his Nixon performance cemented the idea that this guy was lefty. Funny, I never disliked David Hyde Pierce for playing John Dean in that garbage. Anyway, Woods seems like a cool guy.

Posted by: Quint at March 17, 2019 02:15 PM (n13/j)

306 Anyway, Woods seems like a cool guy.
Posted by: Quint at March 17, 2019 02:15 PM (n13/j)

If I remember correctly Wood was turn to our side on 9/11

He was also involved with something on 9/11? He saw something or something like that?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2019 02:16 PM (Y+V3r)

307 The part that amazes me if the murderer outright said he was doing it to troll politicians and create backlash against guns in order to increase social unrest (even in America), and look at what is happening.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, search engine expert at March 17, 2019 01:54 PM (xyung)

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Yeah, our idiot pols could not rush to the microphones fast enough to help Socialist shooter boy accomplish his stated goals. Top. Men.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at March 17, 2019 01:59 PM (ffYR/)

Puts the shooter into moby / false-flag territory.
But that has never happened before...

Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 17, 2019 02:17 PM (1g7ch)

308 There was an article in Pop Sci recently.. 2 young college professors are proposing building small molten salt nuclear reactors as a test project. Shoulda been done decades ago.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 17, 2019 01:46 PM (438dO)

Pop Sci has drunk the Gerbil Worming kool-ade. They are dead to me.

"Molten salt" means "molten thorium salts". I don't think anyone is proposing to use molten uranium salts in a reactor. There is some belief that the waste products from thorium fission are less dangerous, or cannot be weaponized.

It's the same old same old: propose some new "safer", "non-polluting" implementation of nuclear power, which is always "right around the corner", and demand that we stop using the tried and true uranium reactors until the never-never is realized.

Uranium can be found all over the world, and where it exists at all, it often exists in a form sufficiently concentrated to make it profitable to mine it. Did you know, that back in the height of the arms race, millions of tons of brown coal were mined in North Dakota, and burned in heaps on the ground, so that uranium could be recovered from the coal ash? And that was a shitty resource, and only profitable because the demand for uranium was so high in the early '50's. We now know a whole lot more about the geology of uranium, and have blocked out reserves (meaning known, and measured deposits that can be used as bank collateral) that will last our needs for many, many years.

Thorium, OTOH, is widespread across the world in the form of the mineral monazite, which occurs exclusively as a (very) minor accessory mineral in certain types of granitic rock. There are no known occurrences of thorium naturally concentrated as veins, magmatic segregations, or chemical/biological sedimentary concentrates as are uranium, and base and precious metals are. Monazite is it. And the only place in the world where monazite can be mined is currently India, where it is found on certain ocean beaches, and has been sorted by wave action. One might think that there are other ocean beaches, elsewhere in the world, where monazite sourced from the sand of granitic rocks could be concentrated, but if any such exist, they are not well-publicized.

So India has been using thorium for nuke fuel because they have it handy to them. They even built a thorium bomb, just to prove it could be done.

I would not want to rely on a single foreign source for my energy needs, even if the thorium cycle has demonstrable advantages. The "uranium waste" problem is 100% political, and 0% technical. Deep burial in ancient, stable rock formations is the way to go.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 17, 2019 02:17 PM (nPGq2)

309 New Zealand authorities have reminded citizens that they face up to 10 years in prison for "knowingly" possessing a copy of the New Zealand mosque shooting video - and up to 14 years in prison for sharing it. Corporations (such as web hosts) face an additional $200,000 ($137,000 US) fine under the same law.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 17, 2019 01:58 PM (aKsyK)

Phew! Glad I didn't live in New Zealand.

Posted by: Zombie Abraham Zapruder at March 17, 2019 02:17 PM (gHApq)

310
Why do they even call them 'coffee tables' anymore? They're littered with remotes. Up in my bedroom sitting area I have remotes for my LED lights, remote for heat pump/air, then the usual remotes for tv, dvd, dvr, firestick, sound bar.

There's no room for coffee until you brush the remotes away. Then there's always the errant remote that dims the lights when I change HDMI inputs.

I think the wife only keeps me around so she has the latest tech stuff.

Posted by: Newest Nic at March 17, 2019 02:17 PM (jYje5)

311 I would be pleasantry surprised. Thanks

My minister has a SiG in the pulpit. I am the door guy. So we have both ends covered.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 17, 2019 02:17 PM (yQpMk)

312 Woods took a flight from Boston to Los Angeles one week before the World Trade Center attacks. The only other people in first class with him were four men of Middle Eastern appearance who acted very strangely. During the entire cross-country flight none of them had anything to eat or drink, nor did they read or sleep. They only sat upright in their seats, occasionally conversing with each other in low tones. Woods mentioned what he had noticed to a flight attendant, who shrugged it off. Arriving in Los Angeles, Woods told airport authorities, but they seemed unwilling to become involved.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2019 02:18 PM (Y+V3r)

313 e was also involved with something on 9/11? He saw something or something like that?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2019 02:16 PM (Y+V3r)

That sounds about right. I think of New York types changed that day. Dennis Miller certainly changed or at least left the fence.

Posted by: Quint at March 17, 2019 02:19 PM (n13/j)

314 Whether the four airline passengers reported by Woods were in fact determined to have been connected to the 9/11 attacks is something that, as far as we know, the FBI has not disclosed. But Woods himself said that he identified two of the men he saw as hijackers who took part in the 9/11 terrorist attacks, and that he unofficially heard through other sources that all four men he observed were indeed involved with the airline hijackings on 11 September 2001:

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2019 02:20 PM (Y+V3r)

315 309 New Zealand authorities have reminded citizens that they face up to 10 years in prison for "knowingly" possessing a copy of the New Zealand mosque shooting video - and up to 14 years in prison for sharing it. Corporations (such as web hosts) face an additional $200,000 ($137,000 US) fine under the same law.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 17, 2019 01:58 PM (aKsyK)

Phew! Glad I didn't live in New Zealand.
Posted by: Zombie Abraham Zapruder

Not that I support the NZ shooter's cinematography, but the New Zealand authorities are doing a pretty good job displaying their inner fascism.

Posted by: JEM belching from the barrel at March 17, 2019 02:20 PM (8erNz)

316 Not that I support the NZ shooter's cinematography, but the New Zealand authorities are doing a pretty good job displaying their inner fascism.
Posted by: JEM belching from the barrel at March 17, 2019 02:20 PM

Yup crazy people, fascists, anarchists and left wing freaks do bad and crazy things and we "normal" people lose our rights and due process

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2019 02:22 PM (Y+V3r)

317 "Well, I'm pretty sure that having the sun normal to the cells is pretty
important. Both up/down and east/west orientations. I think that is just
physics and not design of the cell."

yeah, they have come a long way. prices are way down too, even without the subsidy. only a small system would have the ability to move up and down AND east/west. I'd probably build it to tilt twice a year, or four times. Not that hard ... but I have space.

Tilting E/W is usually called "tracking" and really helps, just not practical in larger cases. They say cleaning helps a little, but not like a monthly necessity. I mostly like the prepper aspect ... have it in case the crazies get control. Same with most food I grow really ... easier to just buy it, but like to have the capability.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 17, 2019 02:22 PM (Cus5s)

318 So India has been using thorium for nuke fuel because they have it handy to them. They even built a thorium bomb, just to prove it could be done.

I would not want to rely on a single foreign source for my energy needs, even if the thorium cycle has demonstrable advantages. The "uranium waste" problem is 100% political, and 0% technical. Deep burial in ancient, stable rock formations is the way to go.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 17, 2019 02:17 PM (nPGq2)

There's some smart people up in here. Maybe I can get it by osmosis.

Hell. I've done turf for 40 years and I can't come up with stuff like that.

Help with your bluegrass? Check with AOP.

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 02:23 PM (OE84+)

319 New Zealand authorities have reminded citizens that they face up to 10 years in prison for "knowingly" possessing a copy of the New Zealand mosque shooting video - and up to 14 years in prison for sharing it. Corporations (such as web hosts) face an additional $200,000 ($137,000 US) fine under the same law.

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Orwellian.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 17, 2019 02:23 PM (TIuFZ)

320 Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2019 02:18 PM (Y+V3r)

I seem to recall hearing something like that. Thanks for the info.

Posted by: Quint at March 17, 2019 02:24 PM (n13/j)

321 Whether the four airline passengers reported by Woods were in fact determined to have been connected to the 9/11 attacks is something that, as far as we know, the FBI has not disclosed. But Woods himself said that he identified two of the men he saw as hijackers who took part in the 9/11 terrorist attacks, and that he unofficially heard through other sources that all four men he observed were indeed involved with the airline hijackings on 11 September 2001:

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2019 02:20 PM (Y+V3r)

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I heard recently that two of them were pulled over in a traffic stop shortly before crashing the planes and nothing happened to them over their expired visas because sanctuary city rules or something similar.

One or both were the pilots.

Posted by: Moron Robbie, search engine expert at March 17, 2019 02:26 PM (xyung)

322 Nood

Posted by: Moron Robbie, search engine expert at March 17, 2019 02:28 PM (xyung)

323 I heard recently that two of them were pulled over in a traffic stop shortly before crashing the planes and nothing happened to them over their expired visas because sanctuary city rules or something similar.

One or both were the pilots.
Posted by: Moron Robbie, search engine expert at March 17, 2019 02:26 PM (xyung)

NC County fights back.

H/T Vic.

https://bit.ly/2Y5Kwxx

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 02:28 PM (OE84+)

324 New Zealand authorities have reminded citizens that they face up to 10 years in prison for "knowingly" possessing a copy of the New Zealand mosque shooting video - and up to 14 years in prison for sharing it. Corporations (such as web hosts) face an additional $200,000 ($137,000 US) fine under the same law.

All that is going to do is make the video into a forbidden fruit that people will be determined to acquire, just to see what all the fuss is about.

Hackers start embedding the video in otherwise "innocent" files? 3, 2, 1....

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 17, 2019 02:28 PM (nPGq2)

325
Hell. I've done turf for 40 years and I can't come up with stuff like that.

Help with your bluegrass?
Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 02:23 PM

Don't wanna leave you out for your expertise. Bentgrass question. Plant in spring? I know fall is best but can late winter/early spring work? Pretty much just overseeding a couple of slightly established greens.

'Penngrove' if you've heard of it. Over velvet bentgrass that the fvcking EPA banned as invasive. There's a funny story involving Trump and velvet bent.

Posted by: Newest Nic at March 17, 2019 02:29 PM (jYje5)

326 VPN: read an article linked from Pixie that most VPNs collect and sell your data.

Really interested in obtaining VPN but am doubtful if they are of value and if I have the technical ability to use it.

Does anyone have some knowledge of VPNs to share?

Posted by: Braenyard at March 17, 2019 02:33 PM (ePWRo)

327 Homonyms: There and their, there is a difference.

Posted by: Braenyard at March 17, 2019 02:35 PM (ePWRo)

328 Don't wanna leave you out for your expertise. Bentgrass question. Plant in spring? I know fall is best but can late winter/early spring work? Pretty much just overseeding a couple of slightly established greens.

'Penngrove' if you've heard of it. Over velvet bentgrass that the fvcking EPA banned as invasive. There's a funny story involving Trump and velvet bent.
Posted by: Newest Nic at March 17, 2019 02:29 PM (jYje5)

Fall IS best. But Spring can work. Crabgrass is the problem. A precise application of Tupersan will prevent weeds.

This is just right. Or something like it.

Seed the same day.

https://bit.ly/2TJXp1N

We've had some success with summer seeding. Those buggers are tougher than you think.

Y'all should be fine.

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 02:37 PM (OE84+)

329 Lift a leg and fart in your direction
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 17, 2019 02:10 PM

You say that like it's a Bad Thing.

Posted by: French castle guards at March 17, 2019 02:38 PM (DMUuz)

330 New Zealand authorities have reminded citizens that they face up to 10 years in prison for "knowingly" possessing a copy of the New Zealand mosque shooting video - and up to 14 years in prison for sharing it. Corporations (such as web hosts) face an additional $200,000 ($137,000 US) fine under the same law.

AOP at March 17, 2019 02:28 PM (nPGq2)

*off to find an VPN NZ server to post the same vids.

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 02:39 PM (OE84+)

331 Homonyms: There and their, there is a difference.
Posted by: Braenyard at March 17, 2019 02:35 PM

They're often confused.

Posted by: AoSHQ Assistant Associate Copy Editor at March 17, 2019 02:39 PM (DMUuz)

332 I think I looked at the difference in quality between a plasma and an LED tv, then looked at the annual power consumption and made my decision based on that.

LED is good enough.
Posted by: Newest Nic at March 17, 2019 01:30 PM (jYje5

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There was always a tradeoff. LCDs did reds a bit a better, but plasmas did blacks way better.

Now, with zone/pixel back lighting, the LCDs are pretty damn good at blacks. Not perfect, but good enough.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 17, 2019 02:40 PM (FHrMH)

333 I know a couple in So. Calif. who had solar panels installed years ago.I naturally asked them about how well they did for power output and they informed me that the panels are no longer hooked up because the whole shebang was very poor and they are back to using power from the local elec. utility. The thing is, the panels are still on the the roof. It looks like they are, indeed, eco-friendly save-the-world types. So the image is still good.

Posted by: washrivergal at March 17, 2019 02:40 PM (aWjrD)

334
Y'all should be fine.

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 02:37 PM

Thanks. Yup crabgrass is a problem. The velvet bent choked the ever living shit out of crabgrass. Not so much with the other varieties I've tried. Sometimes invasive is really, really good.

Posted by: Newest Nic at March 17, 2019 02:42 PM (jYje5)

335 LED I mean.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 17, 2019 02:42 PM (FHrMH)

336 the solar panel guarantee is even better ... 85% after 25 years. and a linear guarantee for all the other years. these guys seem to have the best prices.

altestore.com

Posted by: illiniwek at March 17, 2019 02:44 PM (Cus5s)

337 Thanks. Yup crabgrass is a problem. The velvet bent choked the ever living shit out of crabgrass. Not so much with the other varieties I've tried. Sometimes invasive is really, really good.
Posted by: Newest Nic at March 17, 2019 02:42 PM (jYje5)

Got to get that seed and FERTILIZER out early. Push the cool-season grass and maybe it will outrun the crab. Once established, don't forget the pre-emergent. Bensulmec is your friend. A peer dowvthis way does 1 oz every month. Up north it will be a tad different.

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 02:48 PM (OE84+)

338 I hear it on good authority that those Michigan windmill farmers and families have to strip nekked and tie themselves to the blades on St Paddies day ( and other boring days too)...Semen chanted evening......

Posted by: saf at March 17, 2019 02:55 PM (5IHGB)

339
Push the cool-season grass and maybe it will outrun the crab.
Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 02:48 PM

I'll give it my best. You know the problem with low cutting heights and the engraved invitation to crab grass. Perhaps I should keep cutting heights way up until something like July. The greens (about 4k to 6k sq ft each) are more ornamental then anything but I like 'em. Like the pleasure one feels when they stop beating their head against a wall.

It's quite an interesting battle. Who ever thought short grass would be something like 10 times tougher than tall grass?

Posted by: Newest Nic at March 17, 2019 02:59 PM (jYje5)

340 "who wants a solar panel array in their backyards?"

Umm, about 80% of our mis-educated population wants them. For two generations, the schools have taught the solar religion. People want it even though it's inefficient, unreliable, never generates to predicted capacity, wastes land, etc, etc. They still want it, because "it's the future" or something.

I know a greenie who's all-in for subsidizing it out of his own taxes. And there's a hippie shop in town, put panels on his roof, financed it ENTIRELY with $80K DONATIONS from greenies. He also runs a windmill with a broken vane, which the city building inspectors are cool with.

Even here at 42deg N Latitude, where the insolation is poor, and the panels are covered with snow in the winter, they want it. We have good reliable power, a 2GW nuclear plant, but they want to use up our farmland on panels.

Another religion is trains. Voters here overwhelmingly and repeatedly say they want trains, govt-subsidized passenger trains, going from nowhere to nowhere. Not that they would ever ACTUALLY RIDE the f'n things if we had them!

So just give up. It's hopeless. America lost its mind way way back when the Whole Earth Catalog and Foxfire books came out; they're the new holy Bibles.

Posted by: gp at March 17, 2019 03:01 PM (mk9aG)

341 It's quite an interesting battle. Who ever thought short grass would be something like 10 times tougher than tall grass?

Posted by: Newest Nic at March 17, 2019 02:59 PM (jYje5)

Don't know where you are but this is a good resource.

https://www.turffiles.ncsu.edu

There are a lot of good pathologist out there. Not sure I agree with them politically...

Tall grass shades the sun. Goosegrass and crabgrass and most warm season weeds need the sunshine. Unlike warm-season grass/weeds, cool season grass seed always does best with some shade/mulch/straw. Need to get the bent to cover and shade the crab.

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 03:12 PM (OE84+)

342 Wouldn't it make more sense to put electrical heating elements in the blades so they could de-ice themselves?

Posted by: Socratease at March 17, 2019 03:25 PM (2GbWn)

343 It makes good financial sense to buy a home with solar panels.

It makes no financial sense to install them on a home.

It's an investment that only benefits the next buyer.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 17, 2019 03:38 PM (FHrMH)

344
Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 03:12 PM

Thanks for all. I have a plan now. I'm in Pennsylvania, btw.

The 'Trump story' by the way is that he uses Velvet Bentgrass at a bunch of his courses in this area. Not sure if you've ever experienced it but it has some phenomenal blade count per sq meter (150,000 blades iirc). You take your shoes and socks off and it's the most incredible carpet you've ever walked on. Putting surface is the best. Even with my mediocre green it was an eight on the Stimp. Uphill. Against the wind.

I don't know if it was personal, but the EPA banned its sale. I'm not sure if it was before or after he wanted to see Obama's birth certificate. I'd love to be able to buy it again and overseed my problem areas. But apparently not.

Posted by: Newest Nic at March 17, 2019 03:45 PM (jYje5)

345 Where you are and what it seems you're trying to do, Penncross would work just fine.

Easy access. L-93 is really good. 20 Years old but works good in NC. Bulletproof.

Posted by: golfman at March 17, 2019 04:01 PM (OE84+)

346 I don't think "carbon" has any negative effect on either the climate or the environment. It's the greatest hoax ever perpetrated since the dawn of recorded time to claim that "carbon" is a problem.

But if we as a society actually want to reduce "carbon," there are two changes that would reduce it by about 90%, without destroying the economy or resulting in a left-totalitarian state.

Convert to compressed natural gas to power vehicles. Build small thorium-based nuclear plants to produce electricity.

The end.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at March 17, 2019 05:42 PM (hjaPQ)

347 A great business opportunity just struck me - I should start a business manufacturing and installing fake solar panels out of plywood and plastic sheets, with some silver paint. Sell and install them real cheap so people could get their virtue signaling credits with their numbers without having to actually put up with the hassle of trying to make the actual thing work.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 17, 2019 06:26 PM (V2Yro)

348 (251) The Gillette stuff is gathering dust. I bought a vintage Eversharp (Schick) injector razor, and pulled out the shaving soap. No more P 'n G stuff for me.
Posted by: mrp at March 17, 2019 01:51 PM (Pqytn)

Bought meself a DE saftey razor.... Edwin Jagger and a 50 pack Derbey Extra blades..... Cremeo cream.... best head shaving I ever had!

Not that one ya' pervs

Posted by: MarcusZ1967 at March 17, 2019 06:44 PM (PWL8Y)

349 I live north of a nuclear power plant. Safe, cheap. If we are serious in ending pollution, I would say 100 is about the right amount. Otherwise, it is just a power grab.

Posted by: Loyd Jenkins at March 17, 2019 08:27 PM (fo8Jq)

350 Electric powered stuff is really great, just as long as you have an internal combustion engine nearby to recharge it.

Posted by: Jimmy Doolittle at March 18, 2019 01:40 AM (U8Hxf)

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