Gun Thread: The British Are Coming! [Weasel]

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Given a choice between British Rock 'n Roll and British weapons, I'm probably going with the music. There are however some guns that simply need to be owned, and the subject of this week's Gun Thread is a good choice for any collection. While we have talked about a few different American martial arms, we have never featured one made in England. Let's take care of that now, shall we?

Also, continued open thread for post-NoVaMoMe discussion and analysis... wacko Virginia politics in the thread below.

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Hey! Those aren't sammiches!

What are these ladies doing? Why, it should be obvious they're making rifles at Royal Ordnance Factory Fazakerley in Liverpool, that's what! Leading into WWII, munitions factories were built away from London at sites then considered safe from aerial bombing, with ROF Fazakerly producing the Sten, the Sterling and the Enfield rifle pictured below.

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Below is a closeup of the receiver showing the type, factory, date and serial number.

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The official designation for this rifle is the Lee-Enfield Rifle No. 5 Mk. 1, however, it was given the colloquial name "Jungle Carbine" by British troops serving in the Pacific theatre. Developed from the Lee-Enfield No. 4, the No. 5 is both shorter and lighter and was initially introduced for use by airborne troops. Beginning in 1944, No. 5 production lasted only four years with approximately 250,000 rifles made. The light weight and cut down stock design contributed to the significant felt recoil of the .303 British cartridge and the rifle was eventually retired from general issue.

Is the recoil of the No. 5 rifle stout? Even with a rubber buttplate, it sure is, but so is the M1 Garand with a steel buttplate firing the .30-'06 cartridge. What probably doomed the rifle was the assertion by many the No. 5 had a "wandering zero", with an investigatory board declaring flaws in the design led to inherent substandard performance. Also likely a factor was the British military's desire to adopt semi-automatic weapons as many other nations were doing at the time. For today's shooters, it is reported that considerable improvements in accuracy can be achieved with common gunsmithing techniques such as free-floating the barrel and bedding the stock.

The rifle was produced with a rear battle sight zeroed at 300 yards (274 m) and a flip-up ladder sight calibrated to 800 yards (732 m) in 100 yard increments. I'm a sucker for bolt action military rifles, and this one is no exception. It is quite a bit of fun to shoot and range babes are universally attracted to it's good looks, particularly the distinctive conical flash hider. If you all are interested, I'm thinking of conducting a half-assed accuracy comparison with the .303 British, the .308 Winchester, and the .30-'06 in an upcoming thread.

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L to R: 7.62x51mm, .303 British and 7.62x63mm

.303 Mark VII Ball Ammunition
.303 British Mark VII Ball ammunition consists of a rimmed, tapered case firing a 174 gr bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2440 fps. By comparison, 7.62 x 51mm NATO M118 Ball has a rimless bottleneck case with a 173 gr bullet (.308" dia.) and a muzzle velocity around 2550fps, and 7.62 x 63mm M2 Ball sends a 152 gr (.308") bullet downrange at around 2800 fps. The British follow the convention used in blackpowder rifles, where .303" is the nominal bore measurement between the rifling lands. The actual bore design specification between grooves is .311" with a recommended bullet diameter of .312". Very likely contributing to accuracy issue are reports of surplus rifles found with bore measurements varying greatly; with some as small as .309" and others as large as .318".

Do you own a Lee-Enfield, and if so, which type? What has your experience been with the .303 British cartridge? Any thoughts or experience to share with respect to accuracy? For our reloaders, how do you like the tapered cartridge design? For shooters, do you find the .303 British cartridge unpleasant to shoot in the shorter and lighter Jungle Carbine?


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Link-O-Rama
Website: British Military Ammunition
(Very Good) Article: .303 British
Field & Stream Article: No. 5 Mk 1 Jungle Carbine
Gun Digest Article: Collecting the British .303 Jungle Carbine
American Rifleman Article: Enfield No. 5 Mk. 1 Jungle Carbine


***Mail Bag***

This week's Mail Bag entry comes to us from commenter and cycling enthusiast Scrood who sends this picture of his daily commuter bike. Scrood reports traffic always seems light and his fellow commuters all seem overly friendly and respectful. Thanks Scrood!
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NoVaMoMe 2019
I want to take a moment and say what a pleasure it was to see everyone at the NoVaMoMe last night. I cannot begin to name everyone without leaving someone out, so I will simply leave you all with a heartfelt THANK YOU for making it such a great evening! What an amazing group of people - I'm a little surprised you let me hang out with you!

On second thought I will mention one person, my pal bluebell. She's a remarkable lady and we're all very fortunate to have her around.

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

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1 Hi all. Welcome to the show.

Posted by: Picric at February 10, 2019 07:10 PM (nonGu)

2 Boy Howdy, Horde!!

Posted by: SteveOReno, I proudly self-identify as a Moron at February 10, 2019 07:10 PM (2sCft)

3 What is going on here?

Posted by: Picric at February 10, 2019 07:10 PM (bADeA)

4 Carbines in full power cartridges are always unpleasant to shoot.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 10, 2019 07:10 PM (yQpMk)

5 I liked the Guns down below in CDB's earlier thread. Own the Walther PPQ M2 in 9mm. Still haven't pulled the trigger, so to speak, on picking up a 1911. Sigh....

Posted by: SteveOReno, I proudly self-identify as a Moron at February 10, 2019 07:11 PM (2sCft)

6 Certainly for the person standing next to you. Though the fireballs are impressive.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 10, 2019 07:11 PM (yQpMk)

7 Have I been to the range?
ha ha, it didn't go well.

I lost the screw to adjust the elevation on the rear sight of my SW22 pistol. S&W sent me another one. But I wasn't in the mood to shoot it until I gave the gun a good cleaning so it took a month to finally fire it again.

Shot a little, hits were low. Adjusted sight. Hits were still low - exactly the same error.
Pondered sight. Noticed that when I adjusted the elevation... it didn't move.

Oh.

Turns out that when I lost the screw I also lost the spring that holds the sight up when you adjust the screw. S&W said they'd send a new spring out right away!

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Anybody have a CZ 527? I wondering which models have adjustable iron sights - the CZ website isn't very helpful and they haven't responded to my question.

Posted by: ArthurK at February 10, 2019 07:14 PM (L8rV2)

8 Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 10, 2019 07:11 PM (yQpMk)
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Agreed - but if I was in combat (which I've never been) I'd probably be happy to have it!

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 07:15 PM (MVjcR)

9 More gun? And snow?

It's my Birthday?!?!?!!!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, link fixed at February 10, 2019 07:16 PM (xJa6I)

10 Narrator: But it wasn't his Birthday until March

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, link fixed at February 10, 2019 07:17 PM (xJa6I)

11 Hmmmm. Range Babes, you say.

Posted by: RI Red at February 10, 2019 07:17 PM (p4fBk)

12 I had the chance to buy a SMLE and...didn't do it. (Caliber creep)

I had a chance to buy an Ishapore in .308 and I punked out.

I regret that, as I'm already into .308

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, link fixed at February 10, 2019 07:18 PM (xJa6I)

13 Hmmmm. Range Babes, you say.

Posted by: RI Red at February 10, 2019 07:17 PM (p4fBk)
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Yeah, brother! All the good ranges have them!

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 07:18 PM (MVjcR)

14 No range time.
One pair of glasses for everything past 5 feet.
One pair for everything under 12 inches.

fixed focus replacement lenses in the eye for catracts
leaves arms length focus complete crap.

and besides... collecting is my forté.
never could shoot for shit.

Posted by: retropox at February 10, 2019 07:19 PM (bJqSl)

15 I had the chance to buy a SMLE and...didn't do it. (Caliber creep)

I had a chance to buy an Ishapore in .308 and I punked out.

I regret that, as I'm already into .308

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, link fixed at February 10, 2019 07:18 PM (xJa6I)
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They're pretty nice rifles. Of course, I say that about all rifles.

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 07:20 PM (MVjcR)

16 Would have loved to hit the MoMe. How many attended?

Posted by: RI Red at February 10, 2019 07:20 PM (p4fBk)

17 Hmmmm. Range Babes, you say.

Posted by: RI Red at February 10, 2019 07:17 PM (p4fBk)
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Yeah, brother! All the good ranges have them!
Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 07:18 PM (MVjcR)
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We have some lovely ladies that frequent our local gun club. Some of the are helluva shots, too.

Posted by: SteveOReno, I proudly self-identify as a Moron at February 10, 2019 07:21 PM (2sCft)

18 Posted by: retropox at February 10, 2019 07:19 PM (bJqSl)
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How's things, retropox? My ophthalmologist recommended +2.5 readers for focusing on the front pistol sight.

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 07:22 PM (MVjcR)

19 Range report reposted from first gun thread:

I braved the snow of Snowpocalypse 2: Deadly Prey to head to the range Saturday with friends. I brought my Star BM for folks to try and my XD45, along with the usual Ruger MK IV. Didn't get the chance to spend time with SIG P250-22 this week or the Steyr M9, which I'm still evaluating for reliability.

MY Star BM shoots a little high, but I kinda like that. Fixed sights, so I'm stuck with that but the gun trucks along just fine. All metal, so that helps with the snappy JHP rounds I was using.

XD45 is very nice. Very, very nice. It's my carry gun, so it had better be.

The Ruger MK IV is growing on me. I'm getting good groups with it now, so I don't know where my previous trouble were coming from. I have to clean it regularly but.... 22LR, comes with the territory.

Great day at the range.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, link fixed at February 10, 2019 02:12 PM (xJa6I)

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, link fixed at February 10, 2019 07:22 PM (xJa6I)

20 Another great thread.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 10, 2019 07:22 PM (0tfLf)

21 Anybody have a CZ 527? I wondering which models have adjustable iron sights - the CZ website isn't very helpful and they haven't responded to my question.

Posted by: ArthurK at February 10, 2019 07:14 PM (L8rV2)

That's Uncle Palpy's favored sidearm. But he's been offline a lot since his car accident.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, link fixed at February 10, 2019 07:23 PM (xJa6I)

22 Would have loved to hit the MoMe. How many attended?

Posted by: RI Red at February 10, 2019 07:20 PM (p4fBk)
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We'd have loved to have you there! I lost track of the check-in sheet, but I'm guessing 60 maybe?

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 07:23 PM (MVjcR)

23 I have two Lee-Enfields, both of which are war-time builds...and they look it. There is nothing pretty or elegant about them, and they sure don't look as nice as Weasel's gorgeous Jungle Carbine.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2019 07:23 PM (wYseH)

24 Another great thread.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 10, 2019 07:22 PM (0tfLf)
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Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 07:23 PM (MVjcR)

25 But, on the collecting front...

Got a rare factory nickel FN1900 .32
It's been a long search for a good one.

There is a first contract, Belgian Royal Arsenal
proofed FN1900, made in first year of 1900
on the auction block. And the seller has no idea.

I intend to steal it...

Posted by: retropox at February 10, 2019 07:23 PM (bJqSl)

26 I had a chance to buy an Ishapore in .308 and I punked out.



Several 2A's on Gunbroker. In the high $300s.

Interesting. I notice that almost everyone has a stock broken to some extend.

I attribute this to the British style drill with all the butt banging on the pavement.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 10, 2019 07:24 PM (yQpMk)

27 There is a first contract, Belgian Royal Arsenal
proofed FN1900, made in first year of 1900
on the auction block. And the seller has no idea.

I intend to steal it...
Posted by: retropox at February 10, 2019 07:23 PM (bJqSl)

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Nice! Good luck in your quest.

Posted by: SteveOReno, I proudly self-identify as a Moron at February 10, 2019 07:25 PM (2sCft)

28 My ophthalmologist recommended +2.5 readers for focusing on the front pistol sight.

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 07:22 PM (MVjcR)

How do you wear them? I wear contacts, so I wear wraparound eye protection when I shoot. Do I have to buy different ones so I can wear readers underneath them, or do you think that readers are sufficient eye protection?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2019 07:25 PM (wYseH)

29 Sorry to have missed the range Mark. I didn't get dug out until this afternoon.
And now more is coming.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 10, 2019 07:26 PM (0tfLf)

30 We have some lovely ladies that frequent our local gun club. Some of the are helluva shots, too.

Posted by: SteveOReno, I proudly self-identify as a Moron at February 10, 2019 07:21 PM (2sCft)
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I've had my ass handed to me on the rifle range by lady competitors on more than one occasion.

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 07:26 PM (MVjcR)

31 Weezy: my optometrist says he can prescribe an arms length focus for dominant left eye, and regular distance for right.

He says it will work, as he has done it for other shooters.

Maybe I'll be able get someone to teach me pistol marksmanship now.

If it works.

Posted by: retropox at February 10, 2019 07:26 PM (bJqSl)

32 How do you wear them? I wear contacts, so I wear wraparound eye protection when I shoot. Do I have to buy different ones so I can wear readers underneath them, or do you think that readers are sufficient eye protection?


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2019 07:25 PM (wYseH)
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I just hook the ear things, well, over my ears and look through the 'lens' part.

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 07:27 PM (MVjcR)

33 29 Sorry to have missed the range Mark. I didn't get dug out until this afternoon.
And now more is coming.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 10, 2019 07:26 PM (0tfLf)

It'll happen. I'm there every weekend, after all.

Snow is flying up here in Monroe now too.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, link fixed at February 10, 2019 07:28 PM (xJa6I)

34 kidding CBD. I don't wear contacts and just use the readers as eye protection.

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 07:28 PM (MVjcR)

35 I've had my ass handed to me on the rifle range by lady competitors on more than one occasion.
Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 07:26 PM (MVjcR)

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Yeah, I would never claim to be that great of a marksman. But some of those ladies are amazing on the range. Fun to watch! And the experienced one know better than to wear the low-cut blouses....

Posted by: SteveOReno, I proudly self-identify as a Moron at February 10, 2019 07:28 PM (2sCft)

36 Next month is my birthday and, as is my want, I'm treating myself to a new FAL.

Specifically, this one:

http://bit.ly/2GyVmGd

I think I am 7th in line according to the sales rep. I asked for a nice one, since I was going to bragging posting pictures and could help their sales.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 10, 2019 07:28 PM (yQpMk)

37
OK, gun I own and haven't shot yet...

AK-47 pistol!

Anyone else with one that has shot it?

Posted by: Spun & Murky at February 10, 2019 07:30 PM (4DCSq)

38 I didn't make it to the range because I went to the MoMe , 1 Saturday a year away from the range isn't going to degrade my performance that much.
Yes, S&W 422/622 sight screws bear considerable watching and maintenance ( Locktite Red).

Posted by: Panhandler at February 10, 2019 07:30 PM (BdkLu)

39 Kinda quiet around here...

Posted by: SteveOReno, I proudly self-identify as a Moron at February 10, 2019 07:31 PM (2sCft)

40 Yeah, I would never claim to be that great of a marksman. But some of those ladies are amazing on the range. Fun to watch! And the experienced one know better than to wear the low-cut blouses....

Posted by: SteveOReno, I proudly self-identify as a Moron at February 10, 2019 07:28 PM (2sCft)
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I've mentioned this before, but I would much rather coach women than men. Any day of the week. They don't try and tell me how to do my job and just point the rifle where I tell them to.

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 07:32 PM (MVjcR)

41 Grumpy!

talked to your pal Kenny, but someone local already had jumped on the Dan Wesson...

if they lay away falls through, he'll let me know.

now i have to keep an eye on his on line listings to see what other gems's hell turn up.

in other dub nudes here at the ranch, we got a reminder letter from Browning that we have to pull the trigger on the salt wood Superposed repair issue.

it's over $5K, of which 3.9K is the new barrel, which will have to be custom made in Belgium, and that will take a year.

gotta call them in the AM and see if we can fund that, then scratch up the rest while we wait.

that means i have to pass *this* deal up... as well as the Nosler ammo sale this weekend.

https://www.e-sarcoinc.com/colt-m16a1-g-i-parts-kits-new-condition-original.aspx

free shipping on all orders over $40 until Tuesday midnight at Sarco too. 48 states only and no ammo/firearms

bummer

Posted by: redc1c4 at February 10, 2019 07:32 PM (ATMED)

42 33 29 Sorry to have missed the range Mark. I didn't get dug out until this afternoon.
And now more is coming.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 10, 2019 07:26 PM (0tfLf)

It'll happen. I'm there every weekend, after all.

Snow is flying up here in Monroe now too.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, link fixed

howdy yall!

Mark, I had a great time with you and the youngest ratched. Thank you so much for helping him sight his AR. he's so very happy.

I wonder if your .45 is just too big for my hand? young ratched was wondering the same thing.

Diogenes, PLEASE put March 9 on the calendar. Insom will be in seattle and we will be at the range with Mark.

would live to see you!!!!! and Mark is the most awesomest hist EVER!

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 10, 2019 07:32 PM (PkVlr)

43 My former student, Michelle Gallagher, won the 1000 yd. Wimbeldon Trophy twice. First time when she was 19.

...thats a girl who can shoot!

Posted by: retropox at February 10, 2019 07:32 PM (bJqSl)

44 Posted by: Panhandler at February 10, 2019 07:30 PM (BdkLu)
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Great to see you again Panhandler! And thanks again for the pics!! I haven't had a chance to look them over yet, but I promise to this week. Appreciate it.

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 07:34 PM (MVjcR)

45 talked to your pal Kenny, but someone local already had jumped on the Dan Wesson...

if they lay away falls through, he'll let me know.

now i have to keep an eye on his on line listings to see what other gems's hell turn up.



Sorry. Kenny seems to be the go-to estate sale gun guy for the three counties (his vig is very reasonable) so gets lots of really good collectables.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 10, 2019 07:34 PM (yQpMk)

46 Posted by: retropox at February 10, 2019 07:32 PM (bJqSl)
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Well I see we have some of the same friends!!

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 07:35 PM (MVjcR)

47 I've got a post-war II Ishipore SMLE and a late war No. 4 mk1* from Longbranch that was probably rebuilt in the '50s with a new barrel and rear sight and an early production stock. Both good guns.

The one thing I don't care for on the Enfields is the drop - it is just a bit too much and I end up getting a chin-weld instead of a cheek-weld. I haven't fired either enough to comment on accuracy.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 10, 2019 07:35 PM (bZ7mE)

48 Own a M4 No. 1. For iron sights, it is an absolute tack driver.
Spun Murky--I own one. Horribly inaccurate past 50 feet, something to do with the joyous squeals one makes while firing it, I believe.

Posted by: Xenophon at February 10, 2019 07:35 PM (ctWs5)

49 Yeah, I would never claim to be that great of a marksman. But some of those ladies are amazing on the range. Fun to watch! And the experienced one know better than to wear the low-cut blouses....

Posted by: SteveOReno, I proudly self-identify as a Moron at February 10, 2019 07:28 PM (2sCft)

I learned that the hard way when hubs started teaching me to shoot. Cleavage burns are not fun.

Posted by: Jordan61 at February 10, 2019 07:37 PM (Wb0yh)

50 Asking for suggestions from the Horde: I recently purchased the Ruger Precision Rifle in .308. Still haven't purchased a scope for it. Any suggestions? I don't have unlimited funds and would like to find something with good quality for less than $600. Thoughts? I know Leupold is good quality, and friend recommends Vortex. Want to get the best bang for the buck.

Posted by: SteveOReno, I proudly self-identify as a Moron at February 10, 2019 07:38 PM (2sCft)

51 One of my deer rifles is an Interarms MK X made in Manchester England. It has a 20" heavy barrel, a full mannlicher stock and a Mauser bolt. It's a tack driver and loves Hornady 180 grain SST AMMO. I picked it up used from a widow in 1994 and don't know how old it is. It's only my back up deer rifle but it's still accounted for a bunch of whitetails. And a rabbit.

Posted by: Cosda at February 10, 2019 07:38 PM (wHsWz)

52 As a matter of fact, retropox, I was squadded next to Michelle the first time I went to the U.S. Nationals at Camp Perry. I always enjoyed seeing her at matches after that.

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 07:38 PM (MVjcR)

53 Weasel:
I rather figured you would know the Gallaghers

Posted by: retropox at February 10, 2019 07:38 PM (bJqSl)

54 I have an Enfield but it's from the 50s, got it in a trade for an old Rem 870 I got cheap from a friend who needed folding money in a hurry.

My Enfield story is the time I got shot with one.

Well, kinda shot, reverse ricochet off a steel plate, tore a nasty looking but very shallow chunk off my right side. My good friend, who owned the rifle, drove me to town (25 miles) to the urgent care center: "Do you have an appointment sir?"
"No, I've got a gunshot wound"
BOOM, people runnin' everywhere, got me in & started checking my vitals, everything looks good so they tell me to go to the other hospital. Get there, tell them the same, again, people scurrying around, took X-rays & loaded me onto an ambulance to take me to the trauma center.
9 people waiting for me, they tried to cut my clothes off but I stopped them & took them off myself.
A few minutes later they realize there's nothing in me so it's just cleaning the wound. At one point the head nurse asks me "How's your pain?" I said "I'd be fine if asshole here would quit poking at it"

So we leave, then of course we have to talk to the cops. 2 of them come to my house, make a lot of noise about charges even after I told them it was a freak accident. Then they go to my friends' house, separate him & his wife, they're grilling her for some reason, he's telling the exact same story I gave them, they finally gave up & we never heard anything.

Posted by: Fred Weldon at February 10, 2019 07:39 PM (g8bPc)

55 I learned that the hard way when hubs started teaching me to shoot. Cleavage burns are not fun.
Posted by: Jordan61


I got one of those too...... just once though.

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 10, 2019 07:39 PM (PkVlr)

56 Asking for suggestions from the Horde: I recently purchased the Ruger Precision Rifle in .308. Still haven't purchased a scope for it. Any suggestions? I don't have unlimited funds and would like to find something with good quality for less than $600. Thoughts? I know Leupold is good quality, and friend recommends Vortex. Want to get the best bang for the buck.

Posted by: SteveOReno, I proudly self-identify as a Moron at February 10, 2019 07:38 PM (2sCft)
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I shoot Nightforce optics, but I know and shoot with the engineering design guys from Vortex. I'd look at them in that price range.

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 07:40 PM (MVjcR)

57 Nurse, what gun do you have? I have a Walther PK 380 and I like it but my instructor (female) thinks I would do better with a Walther CCP. I've only shot a .45 a couple of times.

Posted by: Jordan61 at February 10, 2019 07:41 PM (Wb0yh)

58 Itching to get out but sub freezing temps are not inviting. Need to test my 1911 and get my musket out.

Posted by: Skip at February 10, 2019 07:41 PM (/rm4P)

59 Weasel: What a strange coincidence.

Michelle took my microbiology class the year she won.

What a sweet girl. So modest and polite.

I can't even *SEE* 1000 yards.

Posted by: retropox at February 10, 2019 07:42 PM (bJqSl)

60 I've got a weak spot for a lot of British stuff. My music, my trembling Webley, my Triumph and of course warm beer with mash and bangers.

Everything but the music leaks oil.

Extra weird because I have only a bit of Irish in me, the rest is German, French, and enough Native American for 750 Elizabeth Warrens.

Posted by: clutch cargo at February 10, 2019 07:42 PM (sLicW)

61
Spun Murky--I own one. Horribly inaccurate past 50 feet, something to do with the joyous squeals one makes while firing it, I believe.

Posted by: Xenophon at February 10, 2019 07:35 PM


Thanks, I suspected as much...

Posted by: Spun & Murky at February 10, 2019 07:43 PM (4DCSq)

62 57 Nurse, what gun do you have? I have a Walther PK 380 and I like it but my instructor (female) thinks I would do better with a Walther CCP. I've only shot a .45 a couple of times.
Posted by: Jordan61

I have an S&W .357 I love it, but am contemplating either a 9mm or a different .45 than the one I shot with Mark on Saturday.

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 10, 2019 07:43 PM (PkVlr)

63 It's quiet as we're still recovering. Great crowd, and was great to meet some of the names associated.

Great job as usual Weasel. Oh and Bluebell too!

Door Prize recipients received some classic material- it was great to see what was contributed.

Posted by: Mr Wolf at February 10, 2019 07:44 PM (z7BSm)

64 59 Weasel: What a strange coincidence.

Michelle took my microbiology class the year she won.

What a sweet girl. So modest and polite.

I can't even *SEE* 1000 yards.

Posted by: retropox at February 10, 2019 07:42 PM (bJqSl)
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Michelle is great. So is her mother, Nancy. Absolutely first rate people. One of the things I loved about shooting at Ben Avery each year was seeing them.

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 07:44 PM (MVjcR)

65 Have an early Long Branch No4Mk1 that was re-arsenaled at ROFF in early 1944 to a Mk2. Phenomenal shooter. Hand load lightened up 174gr ball loads for more "fun" shooting. Also does a wicked "mad minute"

Posted by: Samuel Adams at February 10, 2019 07:44 PM (POEVS)

66 I've got a No4 Mk1 late production from Fazakerley that against all odds for that arsenal shoots quite accurately. I put a Parker/Hale PH5 sight on it and turned it into a tack driver. Yes. it kicks but not that bad.

Posted by: Panhandler at February 10, 2019 07:44 PM (BdkLu)

67 It's quiet as we're still recovering. Great crowd, and was great to meet some of the names associated.

Great job as usual Weasel. Oh and Bluebell too!

Door Prize recipients received some classic material- it was great to see what was contributed.

Posted by: Mr Wolf at February 10, 2019 07:44 PM (z7BSm)
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It was our pleasure. Thanks. And it was very nice meeting you!

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 07:45 PM (MVjcR)

68 Mark, I had a great time with you and the youngest ratched. Thank you so much for helping him sight his AR. he's so very happy.

I wonder if your .45 is just too big for my hand? young ratched was wondering the same thing.

Diogenes, PLEASE put March 9 on the calendar. Insom will be in seattle and we will be at the range with Mark.

would live to see you!!!!! and Mark is the most awesomest hist EVER!
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 10, 2019 07:32 PM (PkVlr)

I'm so glad you guys had fun (and thanks for not telling the red dot sight in story).

I'll see about getting a 1911 for you to try instead if the XD 45 is too big. Or I can bring my PPQ 45 and we can try that out. It's a touch smaller in the grip.

I really enjoy having you there to shoot with!

And guys...she's a fucking surgeon with her revolver! No Joke.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, link fixed at February 10, 2019 07:45 PM (xJa6I)

69 I believe I've read that a cone type flash hider such as the one on the Enfield jungle carbine increases recoil by acting like the expansion nozzle section of a rocket engine.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 10, 2019 07:46 PM (t5m5e)

70 Snowing in Monroe all right. My son drove back to Bedford an hour ago and said the roads were really bad already. And I have a flight out of DTW at 5:50. I may not bother sleeping tonight.

Posted by: Sacredcow at February 10, 2019 07:46 PM (NwmQz)

71 Want to get the best bang for the buck.

My one non-Easter Bloc optic is a 1-6x 24mm SFP scope from Primary Arms. Very reasonably priced and the clarity seems good to me. Since I only have the one I cannot vouch for their higher end Silver Series optics but at $499 or so, that may be an option to consider.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 10, 2019 07:47 PM (yQpMk)

72 I believe I've read that a cone type flash hider such as the one on the Enfield jungle carbine increases recoil by acting like the expansion nozzle section of a rocket engine.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 10, 2019 07:46 PM (t5m5e)
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Well that's interesting. I'd never thought of that. I just always assumed it was the cartridge paired with a light rifle. Verrrry interesting.

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 07:48 PM (MVjcR)

73 Like this one

http://bit.ly/2GB1lu6

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 10, 2019 07:49 PM (yQpMk)

74 I have 2 British heritage .32's

One is a Colt 1903, broad arrow British military proofed,
sent in a contract of 700 for the Brits in 1922 for the Irish Civil War,

...and a Webley .32 automatic, dated 1911, and engraved with the Army and Navy Stores slide legend,
and the London Metropolitan Police insignia.
It's in a Wilkinson presentation case, and went to
the Royal Protection Service.

Haven't finished tracing it deeper, but I prefer to think it was George V's bodyguard.
it was King

Posted by: retropox at February 10, 2019 07:50 PM (bJqSl)

75 Tomorrow, for sure. Shorts, flipflops, MAGA hat, SigSauer tee shirt, top down drive up to The Alamo, do an hour split between some .22LR, .380, and .45 ACP.

Then 90 minutes cleaning and oiling.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at February 10, 2019 07:51 PM (+fPHo)

76 well that was a mess. ignore the last "it was King"
sheesh.

Posted by: retropox at February 10, 2019 07:51 PM (bJqSl)

77 I've got a Lon Branch Enfield that is the total safe queen. Ammo is just too expensive but got a good deal on the rifle.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at February 10, 2019 07:52 PM (pw+jk)

78 Missed this one as I moved last year. Have not read the comments (who would do that) but did Alex TC show up? And forgive me for being crass, but was the hot happily married to a service member redhead there? Tony

Posted by: AnthonyB at February 10, 2019 07:54 PM (39qAe)

79 Missed this one as I moved last year. Have not read the comments (who would do that) but did Alex TC show up? And forgive me for being crass, but was the hot happily married to a service member redhead there? Tony


Posted by: AnthonyB at February 10, 2019 07:54 PM (39qAe)
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yes!

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 07:55 PM (MVjcR)

80 And guys...she's a fucking surgeon with her revolver! No Joke.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, link fixed at February 10, 2019 07:45 PM (xJa6I)

That's awesome, you go nurse!! If I can make it to the PNWMoMe maybe we can make time to hit the range?

Posted by: Jordan61 at February 10, 2019 07:56 PM (Wb0yh)

81 OK, gun I own and haven't shot yet...



AK-47 pistol!


Last time I was at the range there was a guy shooting one. The fireball from the barrel was longer than the pistol and about 10 inches thick. It was easily visible in daylight.

Posted by: An Observation at February 10, 2019 07:56 PM (rpNpp)

82 I have a 1917 SMLE No. 1 Mk III which just recently shot out the barrel. Started keyholing and swallowing the rounds at the muzzle. I was lucky to find a 1917 barrel at SARCO , which had been unissued, and it is now in the shop getting reborn. Long, long bayonet for this one, looks like a sword. This rifle had been there, done that.

My favorite is my No.4 Mk 2. Built in 1954, the last of the line. Practically new, it appeared to never have been fired when I got it. I think the RAF got them straight from the factory and put them in storage. The furniture is blond, which is nice. Brass butt plate too. A great shooter and very accurate. Has the pig sticker bayonet but I think there is also a blade type out there to fit it.

Rule .303 is one of my favorites.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 10, 2019 07:56 PM (Z+IKu)

83 I have a British .303 built in Canada. has the flip up micrometer sight in the rear.

Appears to be reasonably accurate though I have yet to put decent ammo through it.

I'm really impressed with the "cock on close" of the rifle and recoil isn't unpleasant at all on this particular model.

If you're going to do a half-assed accuracy test, I suggest the Enfield versus the K-31 versus the Garand.

...yes, I'm aware that I'm stacking the deck.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at February 10, 2019 07:57 PM (WEBkv)

84
Who wants to see JEANNIE in her undies?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnUdZxQXKls

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 10, 2019 07:59 PM (KYuJa)

85 1. I *want* that Gold Wing in the final pic. Very much so. That's a four-cylinder 'Wing, either an 1,100 or 1,200. Looks great, but I'm thinking a six-cylinder GL-1500 could carry more ammo.

2. Someone upthread mentioned an Interarms Mk.X Mauser. I *NEED* to find a "donor" Mk.X action, so I can take it's bolt, bolt stop/release and bottom metal, to attach to the 100% virgin, never been built into a rifle, Zastava stripped receiver in my safe.

Exactly the same receiver as the Mk.X, but with only two stampings on it. The serial number and the word (small stamping) Zastava.

I intend to spend an awful lot of money on barrel, stock, gunsmiths and related artisans.

This one's gonna be a true, "bespoke" rifle, in 6.5x55 Swede.

So, if anyone's got a severely unused Mk.X layin' around... let's make a deal!



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX





Posted by: Jim at February 10, 2019 08:01 PM (QzJWU)

86

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at February 10, 2019 07:57 PM (WEBkv)
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Nice, Blake! I was too stupid to take a picture with the ladder sight flipped up, then too lazy to fix it.

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 08:01 PM (MVjcR)

87 I wonder if your .45 is just too big for my hand? young ratched was wondering the same thing.

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nurse ratched - I found the same thing to be true, the first .45 I tried was just too big for me to grip properly. It might take some trial and error with different pistols to find one that fits you right. Actually, the best fit for me was the Para Ordnance Warthog, which is weird because it's a double stack, but since Mr. a already has a full compliment of .45's, I won't be getting a Warthog any time soon.

Posted by: antisocialist at February 10, 2019 08:01 PM (2shuf)

88 Shooting a .303 is not a gentle push on your shoulder, but it's better than being on the other end. Rule .303 it is.

Posted by: Eromero at February 10, 2019 08:01 PM (zLDYs)

89 If you all are interested, I'm thinking of conducting a half-assed accuracy comparison with the .303 British, the .308 Winchester, and the .30-'06 in an upcoming thread.
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At the risk of mission creep, I think it might be worth tossing in the 7.92x57mm M98 Mauser round. Just this week I was comparing that vs. the .30-06, and they are remarkably close. I would add that the '06, .303, and 7.92x57 have a certain 'history' that bears some examination.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 10, 2019 08:01 PM (KoKdw)

90 I finally have a (somewhat germane) comment for the gun thread!

My parents were over for dinner today, and my dad was talking about his time as a mailman. That's how he worked his way through college in the 1950s. He walked his route with a big leather bag on his shoulder. He was 17 when he started and they had to give him special permission to get the job because he was underage.

One of the duties they gave this tall, skinny 17-year-old was to take the money to the bank. They gave him a 32 and told him to clip it onto his belt, handed him thousands of dollars in cash and sent him on his way. He felt like an idiot wearing the gun like that so when he got to the bank, he would lock it in a box in his mail truck (attached to the truck) and go in to make the deposit.

He had been a gun enthusiast since he was young and grew up shooting but he felt silly wearing a 32 on his belt like an outlaw in the wild, wild west.

Posted by: bluebell at February 10, 2019 08:02 PM (U5tDi)

91 No British arms in the armory (yet).


Guy who runs the action rifle match, might have been the first time I was there a few years back, used his Lee-Enfield. I don't think he missed a shot (all steels, at ranges from 50 to 200 yards). I was thinking of saying to him "that was sort of boring? So few rounds you got to fire today".


Since I reload, ammo cost/performance not an issue - but I'm just sort of stuck for now. No more calibers or rifles. Next rifle should be a 1903 (already reload 30-06 for the M1).


One guy at the pistol matches uses a Webley, everyone loves it.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2019 08:03 PM (QDnY+)

92 I have a British .303 built in Canada. has the flip up micrometer sight in the rear.


that is what is on mine. That wasn't what was installed on wartime-made Longbranch rifles though- the wartime sights were simple flip sights - so it would be a retrofit from after the war, perhaps in time for Korea. Same with the five-groove barrel on mine, versus the two-groove it was probably originally made with.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 10, 2019 08:03 PM (bZ7mE)

93 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 10, 2019 08:01 PM (KoKdw)
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Good suggestion. Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 08:03 PM (MVjcR)

94 He had been a gun enthusiast since he was young and grew up shooting but he felt silly wearing a 32 on his belt like an outlaw in the wild, wild west.
Posted by: bluebell at February 10, 2019 08:02 PM (U5tDi)

Not to mention walking into a bank with it. AND a pile of money.

Posted by: antisocialist at February 10, 2019 08:04 PM (2shuf)

95 The recoil problem with the No.5 Mk I is that the rubber pad after all this time is hard as a rock, and as it has a smaller area than the butt, the transmitted force is effectively increased compared to a SMLE which spreads the force over a greater area.

As the stock on mine is a bit short for me, the simple solution is slipping on a stock extender with a built in recoil pad which makes it no worse than a Garand. Slip it on to shoot, slip it off to show and amaze your pals, if you have any.

Posted by: St. Lazlo the Unsteady at February 10, 2019 08:04 PM (U2TY5)

96 Posted by: antisocialist

Thank you very much for your insight. I thought I was just being awkward with my hand placement. Mark was trying to help and is an amazing teacher. I just couldn't get it to rest well in my hands. My son mentioned it seemed too big for my hands, as he was observing carefully.

I will try a few others. Mark has quite the arsenal and is super generous with letting me try what he has.

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 10, 2019 08:05 PM (PkVlr)

97 Posted by: bluebell at February 10, 2019 08:02 PM (U5tDi)
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That's a great story, daughter of mailman!

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 08:05 PM (MVjcR)

98 "We shot them under Rule 303. We caught them, and we shot them, under Rule 303"


A great movie scene (for them'ns who don't know, it's the defiant courtroom outburst of the central figure in "Breaker Morant"). You can find the clip on UToob.


Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2019 08:05 PM (QDnY+)

99 I've had my ass handed to me on the rifle range by lady competitors on more than one occasion.


Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 07:26 PM (MVjcR)

We had a bowling pin shoot at my gun club last fall. I got my ass handed to me by most of the shooters, but the winner was a young lady (teenager) who beat her father in the final round!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2019 08:06 PM (wYseH)

100 Lee-Enfield Mk 4 owner here.
Firing is like firing old smoke pole rifles like the Mosin, K98, and 03 Springfield - big and loud. Kicks a lot - use squishy butt pad or shooting vest.
It is not the tack driver my AR-15 HBAR is, but no complaints about accuracy. My rifle, in multiple hands, has a 7 o'clock to 1 o'clock spread, so did my friend with a similar rifle. YMMV.
Rugged and dependable, accurate enough and powerful.
Kicks too much, is loud, but not Mosin-Nagant loud.
I "broke the wall" once while shooting in the wild (those old hard hats with melons inside were coming right for us), and that shock-wave from the muzzle kicks and strings. Ouch.

Posted by: Matthew H Iskra at February 10, 2019 08:06 PM (day4e)

101 Speaking of .303 ammo, I recently shot a bunch of Brit Army surplus.

Most went bang, but accuracy suffered a bit with the age, as this lot was made in the 1950's.

In Pakistan.

Head stamps are fun till you find out where the ammo is from....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 10, 2019 08:07 PM (Z+IKu)

102 "I brought my Star BM for folks to try "


I have seen them being advertised recently, and am getting the urge.

First handgun I ever bought with my C&R was a Star Model B.

Fell in love with it, despite the scarcity of repair parts.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 10, 2019 08:07 PM (cqNba)

103 Not to mention walking into a bank with it. AND a pile of money.
Posted by: antisocialist at February 10, 2019 08:04 PM (2shuf)
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That's true! I hadn't even thought of that. Although I guess he was wearing his post office uniform, and they would be used to seeing the guys do that. Boy, what a different world, eh?

Posted by: bluebell at February 10, 2019 08:08 PM (U5tDi)

104 I fell in love with the redhead two years ago. I hope hope she and her
husband have a great life. Great to hear she was there.

Posted by: AnthonyB at February 10, 2019 08:09 PM (39qAe)

105 On another note, bought a sight pusher tool from Amazon, this one: https://tinyurl.com/y3ajjcoa

And replaced the front sight on my Kimber with this:

https://tinyurl.com/y3dtb9vy

Shot the Kimber in IDPA and it appeared to be shooting to the right.

Used this to check sight alignment:

https://tinyurl.com/y3kqf8ts

To use this particular laser bore sighting device, I loaded it into a magazine and put the pistol into battery, just like it had a round chambered. I did it twice to make sure the device was throwing a dot consistently in the same place.

And, yes, definitely the sights were off so the gun was shooting to the right.

So far, I recommend the fiber optic front sight, because it's so bright, it naturally draws the eye in.

I don't know if I'll replace the rear sight because, as of right now, with the black rear notch and the incredibly bright front sight, if I cannot see the front dot, I'm not on target and if I can see it, I'm on target. Which, I think, will keep me from trying to make sure I've got appropriate three dot pattern, and simplify sight picture.

YMMV

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at February 10, 2019 08:09 PM (WEBkv)

106 That's a great story, daughter of mailman!
Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 08:05 PM (MVjcR)
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I think that qualifies me to run for governor. That, and the fact that I've never donned blackface.

Posted by: bluebell at February 10, 2019 08:09 PM (U5tDi)

107 I'm no big fan of recoil, but I find the Garand recoil very mild and easy to deal with - for the power you're sending down-range. Gas system. Same thing makes the M1 carbine a pussycat to shoot, with its much lower pressures and energy.


Speaking of which, I have two carbines, one AO (now Kahr) repro, and a "real" one (1943 Quality Hardware) - and they've always functioned just fine. I noticed that the In-Range guys, esp. Gun Jesus (Ian) are very down on the carbine. Saw a UToob thing where Ken Hackathorn voxsplains a bit to Ian that use of better/fresh mags, and good ammo, and taking care of the rifle, and lubricating it, probably produce reliability results similar to modern semi-autos.


Anyway, not the only time my personal experience differed completely from respected and well-known gun nut personalities online.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2019 08:09 PM (QDnY+)

108 A friend of mine had a rifle in .303 British (which specific model, I don't remember) when I was a kid. For some reason we called it the "British .303" rather than ".303 British".

Yeah, I remember it having a bit of "authority" when you fired it, especially for kids.

I also remember that the ammo was dirt cheap at the time, likely due to surplus being dumped from the Brits abandoning their empire.

And for a third remembering, our parents would see us leaving the house with (say) our bolt-action .22s, a .410 shotgun, and/or the aforementioned "British .303" and wouldn't say a word other than "be careful" and "have fun".

We were like 10-12 years old.

How times have changed.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at February 10, 2019 08:09 PM (0OWcv)

109 106 That's a great story, daughter of mailman!
Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 08:05 PM (MVjcR)
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I think that qualifies me to run for governor. That, and the fact that I've never donned blackface.

Posted by: bluebell


Bluebell for president!!!

who will be your running mate?

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 10, 2019 08:10 PM (PkVlr)

110 I think that qualifies me to run for governor. That, and the fact that I've never donned blackface.



Posted by: bluebell at February 10, 2019 08:09 PM (U5tDi)
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agreed!

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 08:10 PM (MVjcR)

111 I have one of those Ishapore Enfields. My understanding is you can only use NATO spec 7.62 and not .308 Winchester. Something to do with chamber pressure.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 10, 2019 08:10 PM (h+FFJ)

112 I've had my ass handed to me on the rifle range by lady competitors on more than one occasion.


Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 07:26 PM (MVjcR)

Grandson shoots on the school skeet team. The girls on the team out-shoot the boys REGULARLY.

Posted by: antisocialist at February 10, 2019 08:11 PM (2shuf)

113 We had a bowling pin shoot at my gun club last fall. I got my ass handed to me by most of the shooters, but the winner was a young lady (teenager) who beat her father in the final round!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2019 08:06 PM (wYseH)
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What distance were you shooting? 230 grain 45 acp?

Oh, and spend more time with a plate rack! Transition, transition, transition!

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at February 10, 2019 08:11 PM (WEBkv)

114 Hi Insom!

I can't wait to go to the range with you! It will be our first date!

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 10, 2019 08:11 PM (PkVlr)

115 Picked up a NFX-40 NIB yesterday with 3-14 rd mags off Armslist for 400.00 cash from a private seller in the next town over. Not a huge fan of 40 cal. but wasn`t going to pass up a deal.

Posted by: Tentotwo at February 10, 2019 08:11 PM (yhf6w)

116 who will be your running mate?
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 10, 2019 08:10 PM (PkVlr)
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Weasel, of course.

Posted by: bluebell at February 10, 2019 08:11 PM (U5tDi)

117 Not to mention walking into a bank with it. AND a pile of money.


Better than walking out though.

Posted by: no good deed at February 10, 2019 08:12 PM (uTY3H)

118 Ok, breaking the 100 post rule. But I got nothing British except my 97% British Isles ass, and the only bolties I have are .30-'06 and .22.
So here's my question: Can a magnum pistol primer instead of a standard possibly increase muzzle speed by 200fps?
More details: reloading .357 Sig. 10.5 g. of Blue Dot with 125 g. Speer FMJ flat nose. Standard small pistol primer got me 1300 FPS. Small pistol magnum primer boosted to 1500. (Yes, a hot round and 1.25" groups at 10 yds off of sandbag. No pressure signs other than primer strike may have been a tad flattened.)
Put me some knowledge ladies and gents . . .

Posted by: RI Red at February 10, 2019 08:12 PM (p4fBk)

119 Remington has met the challenge of the Mossberg Shockwave with a 870 TAC 14.

But they also have a TAC 13 which is semi-auto.

Me rikey!

Posted by: blaster at February 10, 2019 08:12 PM (ZfRYq)

120 I think that qualifies me to run for governor. That, and the fact that I've never donned blackface.

Posted by: bluebell at February 10, 2019 08:09 PM (U5tDi)
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I'll write you in in 2024!

Bluebell for President!

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at February 10, 2019 08:12 PM (WEBkv)

121 Weasel, of course.


Posted by: bluebell at February 10, 2019 08:11 PM (U5tDi)
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Well there's your administration's first scandal opportunity!

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 08:14 PM (MVjcR)

122 FN...jeez!

Posted by: Tentotwo at February 10, 2019 08:14 PM (yhf6w)

123 Hellooooo nurse!

Posted by: Insomniac at February 10, 2019 08:14 PM (NWiLs)

124 I have one of those Ishapore Enfields. My understanding is you can only use NATO spec 7.62 and not .308 Winchester. Something to do with chamber pressure.

My Ishi is in .303. Technically dates to the first year of Indian independence, but I think it was assembled out of older/British-made parts, as the barrel is marked 37 and the sight ears, etc., don't match the usual Ishipore pattern. Does definitely have an Indian stock, though.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 10, 2019 08:14 PM (bZ7mE)

125 What is the name of the option package on scrood's bike? I'd like to order that.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 10, 2019 08:14 PM (UGqF8)

126 Bluebell/Weasel 2024

"If we can't shiv 'em, we'll shoot 'em!"

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 10, 2019 08:14 PM (PkVlr)

127 I'm looking at (3) No. 4 Mk1's as I type this. As an enthusiastic CMP match shooter, I've competed with all kinds of bolt action rifles. Accuracy-wise the Brit Enfields have always let me down. I love their action, but the production standards were crap. Of the 3 nice Enfields I currently own, bore diameters range from .310 to .313. Also, one has 2 grooves, one has 4 grooves and the last has 5 grooves. They're all wall hangers now.

Posted by: JimBobElrod at February 10, 2019 08:14 PM (tGIBC)

128 Bluebell/Weasel 2024

"If we can't shiv 'em, we'll shoot 'em!"
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 10, 2019 08:14 PM (PkVlr)
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Think the NRA will endorse us?

Posted by: bluebell at February 10, 2019 08:15 PM (U5tDi)

129 Grandson shoots on the school skeet team. The girls on the team out-shoot the boys REGULARLY.
Posted by: antisocialist at February 10, 2019 08:11 PM (2shuf)

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This leaves no opening for the transgendered "females" to dominate the competition.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 10, 2019 08:16 PM (UGqF8)

130 107 I'm no big fan of recoil, but I find the Garand recoil very mild and easy to deal with - for the power you're sending down-range. Gas system. Same thing makes the M1 carbine a pussycat to shoot, with its much lower pressures and energy.


Speaking of which, I have two carbines, one AO (now Kahr) repro, and a "real" one (1943 Quality Hardware) - and they've always functioned just fine. I noticed that the In-Range guys, esp. Gun Jesus (Ian) are very down on the carbine. Saw a UToob thing where Ken Hackathorn voxsplains a bit to Ian that use of better/fresh mags, and good ammo, and taking care of the rifle, and lubricating it, probably produce reliability results similar to modern semi-autos.


Anyway, not the only time my personal experience differed completely from respected and well-known gun nut personalities online.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2019 08:09 PM (QDnY+)

I have an M-1 carbine. It doesn't feed soft-point bullets for shit but FMJ is fine...which is sad. Maybe I need some quality JHP for it. It is a pussycat to shoot and with new mags from keepshooting dot com, it works ok. Just not sure it should be in the 'bet your life' category for me.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, link fixed at February 10, 2019 08:17 PM (xJa6I)

131 RI Red, not sure, but that sounds like a big boost in FPS from just a primer. Maybe the mag primer is just that much better at igniting the powder. They would have higher "brissance", I think, right? I know conventional rule is download powder a tad when using mag primers - though in my limited experience (45ACP, got a few trays of mag primers in a private purchase of components) I noticed no change in performance.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2019 08:17 PM (QDnY+)

132 Um, would a Lithgow No. 1 MkIII*** count? I replaced the magazine cut-off and the firing pin since it was issued as an Aussie training rifle.

much nicer to shoot than a jungle carbine

Posted by: Kindltot at February 10, 2019 08:18 PM (mUa7G)

133 Sooth, George Gobel is one lucky sob.

Posted by: Eromero at February 10, 2019 08:18 PM (zLDYs)

134 So here's my question: Can a magnum pistol primer instead of a standard possibly increase muzzle speed by 200fps?
More details: reloading .357 Sig. 10.5 g. of Blue Dot with 125 g. Speer FMJ flat nose. Standard small pistol primer got me 1300 FPS. Small pistol magnum primer boosted to 1500. (Yes, a hot round and 1.25" groups at 10 yds off of sandbag. No pressure signs other than primer strike may have been a tad flattened.)
Put me some knowledge ladies and gents . . .

Posted by: RI Red at February 10, 2019 08:12 PM (p4fBk)
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I'd be careful and start at the low side of the powder charge range looking for pressure signs. You can get huge swings in the pressure profile with very small changes. Some more knowledgeable pistol reloaders might like to chime in.

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 08:19 PM (MVjcR)

135 Mark, pretty sure I've put a few soft-points through both carbines, no issue (usually the mags in these situations, right?). Speer had a GoldDot 30carbine offering at one point, but never was able to find any (haven't looked lately). And DoubleTap had something similar. Unlike you, I'd be happy to have the carbine as a "home defense" platform (wife shoots it naturally and well), but already have an XD9 (5-inch) in that role.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2019 08:20 PM (QDnY+)

136 What distance were you shooting? 230 grain 45 acp?

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at February 10, 2019 08:11 PM (WEBkv)

30 feet. And I was shooting 200 grain HP from my Gold Cup.


I just sucked.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2019 08:21 PM (wYseH)

137 128 Bluebell/Weasel 2024

"If we can't shiv 'em, we'll shoot 'em!"
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 10, 2019 08:14 PM (PkVlr)
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Think the NRA will endorse us?


Posted by: bluebell at February 10, 2019 08:15 PM (U5tDi)
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With that slogan? We're in!

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 08:23 PM (MVjcR)

138 Sorry to be late to the thread but the MoMe finally caught up with me.

It was an absolute pleasure to finally meet Weasel and all of the Horde in attendence. If it were still going on we would probably all still be there talking. A wonderful time.

Posted by: JTB at February 10, 2019 08:23 PM (bmdz3)

139 Had a fun conversation with younger ratched this afternoon over brunch.

We have planned for several different scenarios of home invasion. He is very proud of his mom for allowing this to be a topic of conversation.

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 10, 2019 08:23 PM (PkVlr)

140 I have an M-1 carbine. It doesn't feed soft-point bullets for shit but FMJ is fine...which is sad. Maybe I need some quality JHP for it. It is a pussycat to shoot and with new mags from keepshooting dot com, it works ok. Just not sure it should be in the 'bet your life' category for me.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, link fixed at February 10, 2019 08:17 PM (xJa6I)

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For any guns I've had, if they ate FMJ fine and sometimes gacked on JHP, I spent some time with a dremel and 1k grit sandpaper disc polishing the feed ramp. This worked on 90% of the guns I tried it on.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 10, 2019 08:24 PM (ffYR/)

141 Yeah, rhomboid, that's what I was thinking. I was comparing old results and all of a sudden had a "Holy Shit" moment, then an "Oh, Shit" one.
10.5 is max load for Blue Dot, so I'm sure not wanting to blow up my Glock 32.
BD is a pretty slow powder in order to build up the pressure to get .357 sig performance. I wonder if the mag primer speeded everything up.

Posted by: RI Red at February 10, 2019 08:25 PM (p4fBk)

142 138 Sorry to be late to the thread but the MoMe finally caught up with me.

It was an absolute pleasure to finally meet Weasel and all of the Horde in attendence. If it were still going on we would probably all still be there talking. A wonderful time.

Posted by: JTB at February 10, 2019 08:23 PM (bmdz3)
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The pleasure was all mine. We'll have to get together sometime and somewhere we can both hear what the other one is saying!

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 08:25 PM (MVjcR)

143 That, and the fact that I've never donned blackface.



Posted by: bluebell at February 10, 2019 08:09


Me either. I just don't get it. It was years ago, I just don't understand why it's such a sin. Abortion head fake?

Speaking of guns, I'm looking for a decent safe. Small but big enough for some long guns.

Posted by: Infidel at February 10, 2019 08:25 PM (9L2du)

144 and Bluebell/Weasel

Mark and I would love your input on getting together our PNW MoMe. We've no real idea what we're doing, so please, if you're comfy, email Mark in his nic and he will give me your contact email.

No way we can match yall, but with your input, we could make a decent trip out of it.

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 10, 2019 08:26 PM (PkVlr)

145 30 feet. And I was shooting 200 grain HP from my Gold Cup.
I just sucked.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2019 08:21 PM (wYseH)

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Heh, IDPA sucked for me yesterday, though I had fun. It was wet and muddy and your's truly wasn't about to drop expensive mags into the mud. But, since I'm there to practice, not compete, didn't let it phase me too much.

Next week, though, is Steel Challenge.

Weekend after, High Power match.

But, back to my original: You need some quality time with a plate rack.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at February 10, 2019 08:26 PM (WEBkv)

146 We have to remember and love British firearms in place of the British people, who are no longer allowed to do so.

Posted by: exdem13 at February 10, 2019 08:27 PM (W+kMI)

147 Although I haven't shot it in a while, I have a No. 1 Mk III, circa 1930s. It was decently accurate but I know more about rifle shooting so I suspect it is more accurate than I am. That rimmed case makes extraction positive and reliable. I recall the rear sight was well made but it is a battle not a target sight.

Posted by: JTB at February 10, 2019 08:27 PM (bmdz3)

148 We have planned for several different scenarios of home invasion. He is very proud of his mom for allowing this to be a topic of conversation.

Posted by: nurse ratched

Seems like a short talk. They break in, they die.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 10, 2019 08:28 PM (LOq4H)

149 Range report: Finally got to try the Sig P365 that Santa dropped off. For reasons, this turned into a only an initial fam fire with WWB 115g only.

No malfunctions of any kind over 100 rounds, primer strikes were well-centered, with no wiping. Pistol initially shot low and left, after a little grip adjusting, about an inch low centered, with about 1 to 1.5 inch groups standing at 7 yards. It ejects nicely to the right and generally a little forward.

Very pleased so far. The extensions on the 12 round mags need a little sandpaper. I will experiment with Talo and Pachmyer grip additives, as well as various loads next. While not the laser a couple of my 1911s or N-frames are, so far it inspires confidence.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 10, 2019 08:29 PM (DMUuz)

150 137 128 Bluebell/Weasel 2024

"If we can't shiv 'em, we'll shoot 'em!"
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 10, 2019 08:14 PM (PkVlr)
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All we need is the AoS logo in one corner and bumper sticker!

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at February 10, 2019 08:29 PM (WEBkv)

151 139 Had a fun conversation with younger ratched this afternoon over brunch.

We have planned for several different scenarios of home invasion. He is very proud of his mom for allowing this to be a topic of conversation.

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 10, 2019 08:23 PM (PkVlr)

Were claymore mines or razor wire part of the plan? Deadfalls? Bear traps? Fougasse? Boiling oil? Murder holes?

Posted by: Insomniac at February 10, 2019 08:29 PM (NWiLs)

152 bluebell and infidel-- I've never donned blackface either, but lots of folks who don't know me and talked to me on the phone think I'm a black dude. Meh. South Carolina.

Posted by: Eromero at February 10, 2019 08:29 PM (zLDYs)

153 143
Speaking of guns, I'm looking for a decent safe. Small but big enough for some long guns.
Posted by: Infidel at February 10, 2019 08:25 PM (9L2du)


Black Rifle Coffee is holding a contest to win one.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y5ymo86v

Posted by: rickl at February 10, 2019 08:29 PM (sdi6R)

154 I have had some success taming the horrible temperature sensitivity of CFE223 powder by using magnum primers (CCI450). I figured the hotter igniter would cause a better powder burn in cold weather. Cut the delta V from 13 fps/degree F to about 6 fps/degree F which is more like stick powder instead of ball. Made all the good qualities of that ball powder (ease of measurement, and higher velocity than just about any other powder out of my .223 loads for my AR) usable.

Posted by: An Observation at February 10, 2019 08:30 PM (rpNpp)

155 We have planned for several different scenarios of
home invasion. He is very proud of his mom for allowing this to be a
topic of conversation.





Posted by: nurse ratched
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How cool! When #4 son separated from the Navy and returned home, that's one of the first things HE did with me. He carries in the house routinely.

It brings a tear to this 29 yo's eye it does.

Posted by: Tonypete at February 10, 2019 08:30 PM (Y4EXg)

156 Early night, again, gunnies. Thx, Weasel, for the only thread I never miss.
And yes, I just worked three whole days in a row! This post-retirement employment really puts a dent in my week. But it supports my bad habits. Like Gunz.

Posted by: RI Red at February 10, 2019 08:30 PM (p4fBk)

157 144 and Bluebell/Weasel

Mark and I would love your input on getting together our PNW MoMe. We've no real idea what we're doing, so please, if you're comfy, email Mark in his nic and he will give me your contact email.

No way we can match yall, but with your input, we could make a decent trip out of it.

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 10, 2019 08:26 PM (PkVlr)
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bluebell and Ben Had would be best for real, actual helpful information. I can offer tips on staying close enough to the project to get credit without doing any real work.

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 08:30 PM (MVjcR)

158 Late to the party, as usual.

Years ago a coworker gave me a No. 1 Mk III. Definitely not a shooter, with a very dark bore and stock and furniture that look as though she spent a year in the trenches on the Western Front before being thrown in someone's closet for 75 years.


I'm fond of the old girl, though, and wish she could tell her story. She's got a place of honor in the gun safe alongside the '03, 98K, Garand, and Inland carbine. Need to get a Moisin and an Arisaka, I guess.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at February 10, 2019 08:30 PM (wZ9cV)

159 Seems like a short talk. They break in, they die.
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 10, 2019 08:28 PM (LOq4H)
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If one has kids at home, and something wakes people up, best to have a plan in place so kids aren't out and about and get shot by mistake.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at February 10, 2019 08:31 PM (WEBkv)

160
Were claymore mines or razor wire part of the plan? Deadfalls? Bear traps? Fougasse? Boiling oil? Murder holes?
Posted by: Insomniac at February 10, 2019 08:29 PM (NWiLs)
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I like the way you think and would like to subscribe to your home defense magazine.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at February 10, 2019 08:32 PM (WEBkv)

161 1. No range trips for the last couple of months - too cold/rainy/muddy.

2. I don't have any Brit firearms.

3. Asking for recommendations for really good out-of-the-box 1911s; price up to $1100 or so. About a year ago on the Gun Thread, someone recommended the Sig 1911 TacOps - said it was a superb 1911. Any other recommendations?

Thanks!

Posted by: Gref at February 10, 2019 08:33 PM (AMIL/)

162 156 Early night, again, gunnies. Thx, Weasel, for the only thread I never miss.
And yes, I just worked three whole days in a row! This post-retirement employment really puts a dent in my week. But it supports my bad habits. Like Gunz.

Posted by: RI Red at February 10, 2019 08:30 PM (p4fBk)
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My pleasure, amigo. Thanks.

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 08:33 PM (MVjcR)

163 Seems like a short talk. They break in, they die.
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp
----Well, yes - eventually. But it's more like; a) they come in this door, I'll try to push them there and you kill them. Or b) they smash in this door, wait until they pass this place and I'll get them.

Rinse, repeat.

Call lawyer. Call LEO.


Posted by: Tonypete at February 10, 2019 08:33 PM (Y4EXg)

164 thanks, weasel

we've already been in contact with Ben Had, and he's a superstar!

I hope we can pull something off. It would be so refreshing to see some other Morons in such hostile territory......

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 10, 2019 08:33 PM (PkVlr)

165 Seems like a short talk. They break in, they die.
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 10, 2019 08:28 PM (LOq4H)

Not always that black and white. Our front door lies between our bedroom and our son's bedroom. And is in the line of fire.

I have my tactical 12 gauge with double-ought buckshot, and my Star 9mm with hollowpoint. But.

Son. In the line of fire.

I lie awake nights fretting about this, and I also thank the Lord that I live in a very safe neighborhood.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at February 10, 2019 08:34 PM (FXbwN)

166 I would give my left nut for that bike.
Brrrrp!

Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at February 10, 2019 08:34 PM (w7KSn)

167 Anyone else with one that has shot it?
The guy who killed a cop in Milwaukee last Thursday used an AK-47 pistol to do it.

Posted by: dad29 at February 10, 2019 08:34 PM (7Kti7)

168 nurse ratched, I'd be happy to talk to Mark. You or he can just email me at the NoVaMoMe2019 email address (gmail) .

Posted by: bluebell at February 10, 2019 08:34 PM (U5tDi)

169 Were claymore mines or razor wire part of the plan? Deadfalls? Bear traps? Fougasse? Boiling oil? Murder holes?
Posted by: Insomniac

no. but they could be. you can help with that sort of planning.....

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 10, 2019 08:35 PM (PkVlr)

170 161
3. Asking for recommendations for really good out-of-the-box 1911s; price up to $1100 or so. About a year ago on the Gun Thread, someone recommended the Sig 1911 TacOps - said it was a superb 1911. Any other recommendations?

Thanks!
Posted by: Gref at February 10, 2019 08:33 PM (AMIL/)


I liked my Kimber 1911 before I lost it in one of those cursed canoes.

Posted by: rickl at February 10, 2019 08:36 PM (sdi6R)

171 Posted by: Gref at February 10, 2019 08:33 PM (AMIL/)
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Hi Gref - I am a big fan of Sigs, so much so that a few years back I went to NH and took their armorers course.

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 08:36 PM (MVjcR)

172 For those who want to shoot the .303 but don't want the recoil, the cartridge is considered good for reduced power cast bullet loads. I don't have the formulas on hand but we're talking about .312 or .313 cast bullets and Unique, Red Dot, or H4227. No doubt other powders would also work. I'll have to investigate this further.

Posted by: JTB at February 10, 2019 08:36 PM (bmdz3)

173 Gref @ 161- I recommend a Sig 1911 TacOps. Best 1911 you will ever shoot. Ant very purty.

Posted by: Eromero at February 10, 2019 08:36 PM (zLDYs)

174 Looks like I just missed RI Red, but hope he saw Weasel's typically sound advice on the mag primers.


I'm such a low-end reloader, I really don't have to worry about excessive pressures (I mean, small increments, such as you'd get from mag vs. regular primers). I usually load just above starting loads, depending. Always very careful, and of course on loads where I can't really "load down" (30carbine, 30-06 for the M1), I'm extremely thorough and careful.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2019 08:36 PM (QDnY+)

175 Being where I am I have all the .303 Brit stuff. Ross, Metford, Enfield, Lee Speed, all the various marks and models, even a No4 T.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at February 10, 2019 08:36 PM (bgJ0E)

176 3. Asking for recommendations for really good out-of-the-box 1911s; price up to $1100 or so. About a year ago on the Gun Thread, someone recommended the Sig 1911 TacOps - said it was a superb 1911. Any other recommendations?

Thanks!
Posted by: Gref at February 10, 2019 08:33 PM (AMIL/)
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I have a Sig 1911 that I reviewed for TTAG several years ago: https://tinyurl.com/yyvm6bo2

I like the gun quite a bit, but prefer my Kimber.

For what it's worth.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at February 10, 2019 08:37 PM (WEBkv)

177 O/T because cars. We have the Beach Boys greaest hits on and they just did 409.

Any of you morons did a ride in the '61 Impala SS 409 when it was new?

Posted by: Les Kinetic at February 10, 2019 08:38 PM (+fPHo)

178 Asking for recommendations for really good out-of-the-box 1911s; price up to $1100 or so. About a year ago on the Gun Thread, someone recommended the Sig 1911 TacOps - said it was a superb 1911. Any other recommendations?

What are you looking for, feature-wise? There are straight replicas of old military models, there are slightly altered variants (lowered ejection port, modern sights, slanted slide cuts), there are modern variants with new-style beaver-tail grip safeties....

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 10, 2019 08:38 PM (bZ7mE)

179 164 thanks, weasel

we've already been in contact with Ben Had, and he's a superstar!

I hope we can pull something off. It would be so refreshing to see some other Morons in such hostile territory......

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 10, 2019 08:33 PM (PkVlr)
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You bet! Let me know if you need any pointers on standing around not doing much. Sometimes a prop like a clipboard can be an effective accessory.

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 08:39 PM (MVjcR)

180 Can we get back to the redhead at the NoVA Mo Me?

Posted by: AnthonyB at February 10, 2019 08:40 PM (39qAe)

181 Posted by: rickl at February 10, 2019 08:29 PM (sdi6R)


Ohhh, thanks. I have their ace mug.

Posted by: Infidel at February 10, 2019 08:40 PM (9L2du)

182 You bet! Let me know if you need any pointers on standing around not doing much. Sometimes a prop like a clipboard can be an effective accessory.
Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 08:39 PM (MVjcR)
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Don't forget the "man on a mission" walk. Have to keep the head down though.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at February 10, 2019 08:40 PM (WEBkv)

183 Ohh fergot. Have a Remington Lee in .43 Spanish as issued to NZ forces after the Martini Enfield.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at February 10, 2019 08:40 PM (bgJ0E)

184 It was an absolute pleasure to finally meet Weasel and all of the Horde in attendence. If it were still going on we would probably all still be there talking. A wonderful time.
Posted by: JTB at February 10, 2019 08:23 PM (bmdz3)


JTB, if you're still around, I have a bizarre confession to make: I enjoyed meeting you but I had only the vaguest idea who you were. Then, this morning, I read your comment on the EMT and immediately recognized you by your nick. The one that says "JTB".

So, to anyone whom I might have stared at last night like a dazed chipmunk because I didn't recognize the nick, I apologize for not recognizing you outside the little gray boxes, even though you were wearing a tag with that same nick. That's an odd little phenomenon there.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 10, 2019 08:41 PM (t+qrx)

185 Might have mentioned this a ways back, but re that well-armed bike in the photo, a few years ago (at the Chino air show, a big war-bird event), some guy had a Sherman, a jeep, and a US motorcycle (sorry, forget the make) - all gen-yu-ine WWII items. The bike had a big leather scabbard. In which sat a Thompson (repro, I think, it was CA).


The whole package was so spectacular. Just radiated victory, American power, lost sense of style, and understated (heh) cool. Asked the guy - no, he doesn't ride it with the Thompson in the scabbard. But he agreed it might make today's usually unpleasant experience with bad/careless/bad attitude drivers a bit easier.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2019 08:41 PM (QDnY+)

186 You bet! Let me know if you need any pointers on standing around not doing much. Sometimes a prop like a clipboard can be an effective accessory.
Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 08:39 PM (MVjcR)
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Don't you even start with that.

Posted by: bluebell at February 10, 2019 08:41 PM (U5tDi)

187
Don't forget the "man on a mission" walk. Have to keep the head down though.
Posted by: Blake

Somebody's been in management!

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 10, 2019 08:41 PM (LOq4H)

188 Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 08:36 PM (MVjcR)

Now you're just virtue SIGnalling...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2019 08:42 PM (wYseH)

189 Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at February 10, 2019 08:37 PM (WEBkv)
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As much as I like Sigs, my carry gun is a Kimber.

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 08:42 PM (MVjcR)

190 Well, that is a shitty safe.

*shifty eyes*

Posted by: Infidel at February 10, 2019 08:42 PM (9L2du)

191 Being where I am I have all the .303 Brit stuff. Ross, Metford, Enfield, Lee Speed, all the various marks and models, even a No4 T.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at February 10, 2019 08:36 PM (bgJ0E)

Hahaha...I bet you do. When I was researching replacing my barrel on the No.1 Mk III, all the info was from your neck of the woods.

Australians were used to replacing the barrels in their garages it seemed....piece of cake for them on the weekend, etc. Lots of good info so thanks!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 10, 2019 08:43 PM (Z+IKu)

192 Forgot to mention, I shoot the Sig in Steel Challenge competitions and the Kimber in IDPA.

I've put thousands of rounds through both guns and they've performed admirably.

The only bad jam I've had was a reload. I didn't notice the side of the case had been ripped open in the reloading process and it locked up the gun but good. (factory reload as I don't reload, yet)

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at February 10, 2019 08:43 PM (WEBkv)

193 So, to anyone whom I might have stared at last night like a dazed chipmunk because I didn't recognize the nick, I apologize for not recognizing you outside the little gray boxes, even though you were wearing a tag with that same nick. That's an odd little phenomenon there.
Posted by: hogmartin at February 10, 2019 08:41 PM (t+qrx)
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I wondered why you didn't seem to have any idea who I was.

The upside-down name tag I was wearing probably didn't help.

Posted by: bluebell at February 10, 2019 08:43 PM (U5tDi)

194 Rat!

whoot! we're going to make it happen!

Bluebell, I sent you an email......

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 10, 2019 08:43 PM (PkVlr)

195 Actually NZFrank, thought of you when I saw Weasel's British-themed post. Figured you'd have plenty of Enfields. Any Vickers crew-served toys in your toy box?

Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2019 08:44 PM (QDnY+)

196 Now you're just virtue SIGnalling...


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2019 08:42 PM (wYseH)
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Ha!

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 08:44 PM (MVjcR)

197 Great show to watch is Gun Stories hosted by Joe Mantegna. Each episode is specifically a doc on one gun. I think this is the eighth season so a lot of great episodes.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 10, 2019 08:44 PM (2DOZq)

198 whoot! we're going to make it happen!

Bluebell, I sent you an email......
Posted by: nurse ratched

Nice! I owe you a bunch!

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 10, 2019 08:45 PM (LOq4H)

199 The upside-down name tag I was wearing probably didn't help.
Posted by: bluebell at February 10, 2019 08:43 PM (U5tDi)


I thought that was for your benefit, in case you forgot your name.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 10, 2019 08:45 PM (t+qrx)

200 Anyone shot the Enfield Mk.4 that was converted to 7.62mm. Supposedly India converted a lot of the surplus to a 7.62 until they could get a sufficient amount of L1A1s.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at February 10, 2019 08:45 PM (bbWdV)

201 Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 08:44 PM (MVjcR)

Maybe just Sauer grapes....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2019 08:45 PM (wYseH)

202 As much as I like Sigs, my carry gun is a Kimber.
Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 08:42 PM (MVjcR)
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*fist bump*

Same here.

Full size Kimber Custom II.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at February 10, 2019 08:46 PM (WEBkv)

203 Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at February 10, 2019 08:36 PM (bgJ0E)
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Howdy NZFrank! Recovered from the Vegas trip yet?

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 08:47 PM (MVjcR)

204 rhomboid @ 185- Victory! We are so far removed from WWII and the very concept of victory. My GOD bless America!

Posted by: Eromero at February 10, 2019 08:47 PM (zLDYs)

205 I'm glad to hear that the NoVaMoMe went well.

Posted by: rickl at February 10, 2019 08:47 PM (sdi6R)

206 rhomboid. Yep a Lithgow Vickers. 1942 I believe. I have a brand new unfired 43 Lithgow Vickers promised to me by a fellow collector. I just have to wait till he is 70 and he is pushing 68 now.
I did pick up a Czech VB37 belt loader and a M2 .50 linker in LA of all places last week . I must get my pics and report together.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at February 10, 2019 08:48 PM (bgJ0E)

207 Got it, nurse! Will get back to you.

Posted by: bluebell at February 10, 2019 08:48 PM (U5tDi)

208 *fist bump*

Same here.

Full size Kimber Custom II.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at February 10, 2019 08:46 PM (WEBkv)
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Nice. Mine's a Compact Custom. Really nice pistol.

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 08:48 PM (MVjcR)

209 Howdy NZFrank! Recovered from the Vegas trip yet?

Pneumonia has almost gone. Report and pics of Rigby to come.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at February 10, 2019 08:49 PM (bgJ0E)

210 Anyone shot the Enfield Mk.4 that was converted to 7.62mm. Supposedly India converted a lot of the surplus to a 7.62 until they could get a sufficient amount of L1A1s.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death

Yep what do you need to know?

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at February 10, 2019 08:50 PM (bgJ0E)

211 184 ... hogmartin,

LOL!! No problem at all. Between the volume of talk and getting pulled 7 ways from zero to try to meet everyone, things got a bit hectic.

Posted by: JTB at February 10, 2019 08:50 PM (bmdz3)

212 So...I have a Number 4 Mark1, and one that says:

G.R.I

ISHAPORE

1940

SHTI .E

III


Anyone know whta that second one is?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2019 08:51 PM (wYseH)

213 This one's gonna be a true, "bespoke" rifle, in 6.5x55 Swede.
Posted by: Jim at February 10, 2019 08:01 PM


A very fine choice!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 10, 2019 08:51 PM (DMUuz)

214 So...I have a Number 4 Mark1, and one that says:
G.R.IISHAPORE1940SHTI .EIII
Anyone know whta that second one is?


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2019 08:51 PM (wYseH)
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That's British for "give me to Weasel"

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 08:52 PM (MVjcR)

215 As an owner and shooter of more than one handgun, I must say though the Sig 1911 is the finest 1911 I have ever fired (been firing 1911's since '6, my carry is usually a G19 or .357 LCR. I'm funny that way.

Posted by: Eromero at February 10, 2019 08:52 PM (zLDYs)

216 So...I have a Number 4 Mark1, and one that says:
G.R.IISHAPORE1940SHTI .EIII
Anyone know whta that second one is?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10,

Sounds like a Indian .303 SMLE, those letters may not quite transcribed right tho.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at February 10, 2019 08:53 PM (bgJ0E)

217 209 Howdy NZFrank! Recovered from the Vegas trip yet?

Pneumonia has almost gone. Report and pics of Rigby to come.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at February 10, 2019 08:49 PM (bgJ0E)
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Look forward to it! hey, would you mind sending me an email? address in nic. thx.

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 08:53 PM (MVjcR)

218
The guy who killed a cop in Milwaukee last Thursday used an AK-47 pistol to do it.

Yikes!

Posted by: Spun & Murky at February 10, 2019 08:53 PM (4DCSq)

219 Great, you guys made me look:

Mark IV No. 1
Long Branch.
1943

If anyone is interested, Long Branch means it was manufactured in Canada.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at February 10, 2019 08:54 PM (WEBkv)

220 And for a third remembering, our parents would see us leaving the house with (say) our bolt-action .22s, a .410 shotgun, and/or the aforementioned "British .303" and wouldn't say a word other than "be careful" and "have fun".

We were like 10-12 years old.

How times have changed.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia
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Same when I was a kid. These were hiking/exploration expeditions through the swamps/woods. Depending on mood, sundry bits included an M98 Mauser, M1 carbine, .455 Webley, and/or whatever more common .22's and shotguns someone felt like toting.

As far as I know, none of the adults around us thought anything about it.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 10, 2019 08:54 PM (2kj6M)

221 Ohh fergot. Have a Remington Lee in .43 Spanish as issued to NZ forces after the Martini Enfield.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at February 10, 2019 08:40 PM (bgJ0E)


I am not surprised. IIRC, Kiwis developed the Charelton modification of the Enfield to turn it into a light machine gun because they couldn't get Brens or Lewis guns

Posted by: Kindltot at February 10, 2019 08:54 PM (mUa7G)

222 Weasel , shot, out.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at February 10, 2019 08:54 PM (bgJ0E)

223 Yep what do you need to know?
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at February 10, 2019 08:50 PM (bgJ0E)

Just wanted to know if the conversions were reliable. I know they were kind of a band aid. I like the Enfield, but hate dealing with .303 ammo. I have plenty of .308. Would be a fun addition

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at February 10, 2019 08:55 PM (bbWdV)

224 I don't even know how to say Swiss cheese in Swiss my ******.

Posted by: Corey Booker at February 10, 2019 08:55 PM (SkuXa)

225 Weasel, we've got two SWAT guys and a regular police guy to do the clinic in Oct.

Will send details tomorrow.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 10, 2019 08:56 PM (kw9ZZ)

226 I remember one time bro and I took out his .357 and .45 to the desert with a six pack. Mom just said be careful.

Posted by: Infidel at February 10, 2019 08:56 PM (9L2du)

227
North Carolina Congress Swamp Creature, Walter Jones, is mort.

Special election time!!


Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 10, 2019 08:56 PM (bVXMv)

228 Somewhere around in my collection of Herter's memorabilia is a, I think, BSA made .243 marked with the ubiquitous Herter's, Waseca, Minn.

I hope there are still folks around who remember George L. Herter and his catalogs.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 10, 2019 08:56 PM (FTlwv)

229 LOL!! No problem at all. Between the volume of talk and getting pulled 7 ways from zero to try to meet everyone, things got a bit hectic.
Posted by: JTB at February 10, 2019 08:50 PM (bmdz3)


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Then the drunken gunplay started.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 10, 2019 08:57 PM (UGqF8)

230 G.R.IISHAPORE1940SHTI .EIII
Anyone know whta that second one is?


G.R. - Georgius Rex

Ishipore - (Indian Armory)

1940 - date

Sht(LE) - "Short Lee Enfield" The original designation for the SMLE when it was first produced

III - maybe a later stamp indicating a Rifle, Number 1 mark III, which was the last designation for the SMLE. Not sure why the hybrid designation, but I wonder if it was originally made in WWI but only finished in 1940, or possibly a arsenal refit that was remarked in part. The Brits did remark parts that had been reworked in the factory.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 10, 2019 08:57 PM (bZ7mE)

231 Have told this one before. Couple of 14-yr olds, walking down a suburban street in SoCal, with a Springfield, going to the quarry (quite close by, by a major road), to shoot. Non-event. At the quarry/sand yard, guys in the dispatch trailer barely look up from their work, "stay in the back".


That was it. Couple of teens with a battle rifle, shooting it, not far from housing. Nobody, and I mean nobody, very interested, much less concerned. Not Kansas, not rural Texas. Not *that* long ago (ahemm). Just about 1,000 years ago, culturally.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2019 08:57 PM (QDnY+)

232 those letters may not quite transcribed right tho.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at February 10, 2019 08:53 PM (bgJ0E)

Hmmm....I figured it was an SMLE.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2019 08:58 PM (wYseH)

233
I am not surprised. IIRC, Kiwis developed the Charelton modification of the Enfield to turn it into a light machine gun because they couldn't get Brens or Lewis guns
Posted by: Kindltot

Electolux( vacuum cleaner maker) in Australia and Charlton Motor Workshops in NZ made them during the war. Most were burned in a fire and now are very rare.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at February 10, 2019 08:58 PM (bgJ0E)

234
Jones ran Unopposed in 2018.

But I'm sure Fake News is already writing the Narrative on how this seat in now "up for grabs" on the heels of good results for the D's in 2018.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 10, 2019 08:58 PM (bVXMv)

235 As far as I know, none of the adults around us thought anything about it.
Posted by: Mike Hammer

Kids at my high school would hunt after school.
There were a lot of guns in a lot of cars.
And no one gave a shit.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 10, 2019 08:58 PM (LOq4H)

236 200 Anyone shot the Enfield Mk.4 that was converted to 7.62mm. Supposedly India converted a lot of the surplus to a 7.62 until they could get a sufficient amount of L1A1s.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at February 10, 2019 08:45 PM (bbWdV)

Ishapore rifles are mfgst 7.62, they aren't conversions.

Some SMLE conversion do exist but they aren't quite the same thing.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, link fixed at February 10, 2019 08:59 PM (xJa6I)

237 The "I" after GR might stand for the Latin designation for "India" or for "imperator," indicating that he was also Emperor of India. Not sure which.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 10, 2019 09:00 PM (bZ7mE)

238 NZFrank, didn't think about it, but it figures - regular civilian manufacturers in NZ (and Oz?) turned to weapons production in WWII, just as in the US. Interesting.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2019 09:00 PM (QDnY+)

239 Kids at my high school would hunt after school.
There were a lot of guns in a lot of cars.
And no one gave a shit.
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 10, 2019 08:58 PM (LOq4H)
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Sounds like my high school.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at February 10, 2019 09:00 PM (WEBkv)

240 223 Yep what do you need to know?
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at February 10, 2019 08:50 PM (bgJ0E)

Just wanted to know if the conversions were reliable. I know they were kind of a band aid. I like the Enfield, but hate dealing with .303 ammo. I have plenty of .308. Would be a fun addition
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at February 10, 2019

Check out the headspace and feed mild loads and they will shoot forever. Great rifle for service rifle matches. Cheap to feed.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at February 10, 2019 09:00 PM (bgJ0E)

241 135 Mark, pretty sure I've put a few soft-points through both carbines, no issue (usually the mags in these situations, right?). Speer had a GoldDot 30carbine offering at one point, but never was able to find any (haven't looked lately). And DoubleTap had something similar. Unlike you, I'd be happy to have the carbine as a "home defense" platform (wife shoots it naturally and well), but already have an XD9 (5-inch) in that role.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2019 08:20 PM (QDnY+)

You need to come to Bellevue and shoot. I'll bring my M1 carbine and you can take a look at it. SP rounds keep failing to feed and get a divot in the bullet nose.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, link fixed at February 10, 2019 09:00 PM (xJa6I)

242
Walter Jones will not be missed:

In February/March 2017, Jones signed a letter to urge Congress to
request Donald Trump's tax returns so that they can be reviewed in a
closed session of Congress and determined whether the returns can be
released to the public.

On March 28, 2017, Jones became the first Republican Congressman to call for Representative Devin Nunes
to recuse himself as chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, and
for the establishment of an independent commission to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.



Not A Good Man.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 10, 2019 09:01 PM (bVXMv)

243 Totally off topic.

How terrible would it be to drive to Billings MT to visit my elderly parents, but also because Clutch is playing there? (Not at Mom and Dad's house. At a club in town. How cool would that be?)

I'm a terrible son.


As an aside, I joke about shit like this, but I am blessed to be just one portion of the best family ever. I am not kidding.


Posted by: Pug Mahon at February 10, 2019 09:01 PM (FXbwN)

244 Not A Good Man.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 10, 2019 09:01 PM (bVXMv)

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A happy little quisling.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 10, 2019 09:01 PM (UGqF8)

245 Weasel , shot, out.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at February 10, 2019 08:54 PM (bgJ0E)
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thanks. incoming.

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 09:02 PM (MVjcR)

246
Mike Hammer is here?

What say you about Walter Jones?
Was he your Swamp Creature?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 10, 2019 09:02 PM (bVXMv)

247 Weasel, we've got two SWAT guys and a regular police guy to do the clinic in Oct.

Will send details tomorrow.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 10, 2019 08:56 PM (kw9ZZ)

A clinic???? Wow.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - team Racist at February 10, 2019 09:02 PM (oH6eb)

248 SHTI .E



III




Anyone know whta that second one is?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2019 08:51 PM (wYseH)


would that be short lee enfield? SHT LE ?

GRI stands for George Rex Imperator

Posted by: Kindltot at February 10, 2019 09:02 PM (mUa7G)

249 Sort of random thought here - those with an interest, look up the WWII training/familiarization film "How Small Arms Work" on UToob. Really good simplified explanation of different actions.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2019 09:02 PM (QDnY+)

250 225 Weasel, we've got two SWAT guys and a regular police guy to do the clinic in Oct.

Will send details tomorrow.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 10, 2019 08:56 PM (kw9ZZ)
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Great!

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 09:03 PM (MVjcR)

251 Kids at my high school would hunt after school.
There were a lot of guns in a lot of cars.
And no one gave a shit.
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 10, 2019 08:58 PM (LOq4H)

At my high school, the principal asked that we stop bringing guns to school, as there had been a rash of break-ins.

I figure it was Wooderson.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at February 10, 2019 09:03 PM (FXbwN)

252
btw,

66 Days Since Ginsburg Has Been Seen Alive

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 10, 2019 09:03 PM (bVXMv)

253 How terrible would it be to drive to Billings MT to visit my elderly parents, but also because Clutch is playing there? (Not at Mom and Dad's house. At a club in town. How cool would that be?)

I'm a terrible son.


As an aside, I joke about shit like this, but I am blessed to be just one portion of the best family ever. I am not kidding.


Posted by: Pug Mahon

Montana can be a 4star bitch in winter. How far out are you?

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 10, 2019 09:04 PM (LOq4H)

254
SMLE and number 4. Never owned a jungle carbine, but have used them. No desire to own one, other than for novelty. The SMLE's are great. Not overly fond of the sight design change on the number 4, but other than that, great. The cartridge is fine for shooting, but the rim makes them more fiddly during reloading the rifle, clip or mag.

Posted by: otho at February 10, 2019 09:04 PM (LkFnL)

255
Jungle carbine is terrible.

Posted by: otho at February 10, 2019 09:05 PM (LkFnL)

256 The discussion of the SMLE and 303 cartridge reminded me. These old Military surplus bolt action rifles are a great way to get started in reloading. I treat mine like single shots so ammo doesn't get used up fast.

This is a place where the Lee Precision Loader kits, the whack-a-mole type, really stand out. If using cast bullets you'll need a way to bell the case mouth slightly which is easy to do. Maybe 30 bucks and the components gets you started.

Posted by: JTB at February 10, 2019 09:05 PM (bmdz3)

257 Posted by: Pug Mahon at February 10, 2019 09:01 PM (FXbwN)


Go- When they are gone, you will never seen them again on this Earth. Do both. You will not regret it.

Posted by: Infidel at February 10, 2019 09:05 PM (9L2du)

258 Well Mark I'd rather we meet at some nice BLM land somewhere between the Mexican and Canadian borders, but failing that, I'd suggest different mags? Living in CA I have zero options, but don't know about you. The Hackathorn video I mentioned above included him recommending the new-production Korean mags. Also, I think you can still find WWII mags still in the wax paper (i.e. new old stock). Limited to 10 rounds here, I simply can't try the new 15-rounders (standard for the M1).

Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2019 09:06 PM (QDnY+)

259 Supposedly the Dean-Adams pistol was a good one for its time, 5 shot revolver in the 1800s. First successful double-action pistol but the caliber was a bit odd .436, so probably hard to get ammo for.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 10, 2019 09:06 PM (39g3+)

260 Montana can be a 4star bitch in winter. How far out are you?
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 10, 2019 09:04 PM (LOq4H)

Front Range Colorado. I talked to Mom today, told her that we got some snow last week, and that it got all the way down to 0.

She laughed.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at February 10, 2019 09:06 PM (FXbwN)

261 GRI stands for George Rex Imperator

Posted by: Kindltot at February 10, 2019 09:02 PM (mUa7G)

Yup...I love that!

It has a screw through the left side of the stock just ahead of the chamber. They call that an "Ishy Screw," and what it does? No idea.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2019 09:07 PM (wYseH)

262 " That's an odd little phenomenon there."

Not as odd as you would think.

At least three people who I saw last night, and the name didn't click in my head.

Till seeing their nic here.

So...maybe it's just two of us with that problem.

But, at least it isn't just you.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 10, 2019 09:07 PM (cqNba)

263 Weasel, we've got two SWAT guys and a regular police guy to do the clinic in Oct.

Will send details tomorrow.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 10, 2019 08:56 PM (kw9ZZ)

A clinic???? Wow.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy - team Racist at February 10, 2019 09:02 PM (oH6eb)
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Well, yeah. I'll let Ben Had mention the details. Ben?

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 09:07 PM (MVjcR)

264 258 Well Mark I'd rather we meet at some nice BLM land somewhere between the Mexican and Canadian borders, but failing that, I'd suggest different mags? Living in CA I have zero options, but don't know about you. The Hackathorn video I mentioned above included him recommending the new-production Korean mags. Also, I think you can still find WWII mags still in the wax paper (i.e. new old stock). Limited to 10 rounds here, I simply can't try the new 15-rounders (standard for the M1).
Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2019 09:06 PM (QDnY+)
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I'd be all over the Remington R1 double stack if it weren't for the commie state we live in.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at February 10, 2019 09:07 PM (WEBkv)

265 235
Kids at my high school would hunt after school.
There were a lot of guns in a lot of cars.
And no one gave a shit.
Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 10, 2019 08:58 PM (LOq4H)


That's exactly what my boss told me about his high school days.

Posted by: rickl at February 10, 2019 09:08 PM (sdi6R)

266 It has a screw through the left side of the stock just ahead of the chamber. They call that an "Ishy Screw," and what it does? No idea.


Keeps the stock from splitting when you shoot rifle grenades.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 10, 2019 09:09 PM (bZ7mE)

267 These old Military surplus bolt action rifles are a
great way to get started in reloading. I treat mine like single shots so
ammo doesn't get used up fast.

Posted by: JTB at February 10, 2019 09:05 PM (bmdz3)

I was just about to ask you about that at the MoMe when we got distracted by something!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2019 09:09 PM (wYseH)

268 She laughed.
Posted by: Pug Mahon

Heh, Colo, Wyo, Mt. in February. You make that trip and no one will doubt your family loyalty.

Posted by: Some rat in the swamp at February 10, 2019 09:10 PM (LOq4H)

269 Here is an interesting tidbit. A Syrian rebel faction called the al-Tawhid Brigade stumbled on an arms cache of 5,000 German WWII-era Sturmgwehr 44 (STG-44) rifles.

Why couldn't I stumble onto something like that.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 10, 2019 09:10 PM (2DOZq)

270 Keeps the stock from splitting when you shoot rifle grenades.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 10, 2019 09:09 PM (bZ7mE)

Well, I'm out of grenades, so....

[Cool!]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2019 09:10 PM (wYseH)

271 It has a screw through the left side of the stock
just ahead of the chamber. They call that an "Ishy Screw," and what it
does? No idea.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2019 09:07 PM (wYseH)


A lot of the British No 1 MkIII have a brass threaded rod put through there so I suspect it is a modification to reinforce the stock. I believe also there is a lug on the action about there too, so there is some recoil carried on the stock about that point.

Posted by: Kindltot at February 10, 2019 09:10 PM (mUa7G)

272 It has a screw through the left side of the stock just ahead of the chamber. They call that an "Ishy Screw," and what it does? No idea.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2019 09:07 PM (wYseH)

I believe it is used in an unloading drill so you can quickly unload the magazine without working the bolt all the way.

Bloke on the Range had a video about how to use it if I remember right.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 10, 2019 09:11 PM (Z+IKu)

273 we have a couple Enfields in the boxes, including at least one Long Branch.

i also have a stripped Ishapore 308 receiver that is a future "project gun.

likely for the person that gets it after i die.

we also have a 1911 with british markings on it, as if someone took it to WWI before the US got involved in that fiasco.

and that's besides the Russian contract 1911.

our collection is eclectic, to say the least.

for a nominal fee, you can be in the will

Posted by: redc1c4 at February 10, 2019 09:12 PM (ATMED)

274 Why couldn't I stumble onto something like that.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 10, 2019 09:10 PM (2DOZq)

They must be worth $25,000 each.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2019 09:12 PM (wYseH)

275 Keeps the stock from splitting when you shoot rifle grenades.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 10, 2019 09:09 PM (bZ7mE)

Well, I'm out of grenades, so....

[Cool!]


My Ishi also has marks on the forestock indicating that it was once wrapped in wire for further reinforcement.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 10, 2019 09:13 PM (bZ7mE)

276 I shot a Whitworth from the Civil War once.

Unfortunately the price of admission is a tad prohibitive.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Everything I Needed to Know About Coding I Learned From RBG at February 10, 2019 09:13 PM (LX21o)

277 Mike Hammer is here?

What say you about Walter Jones?
Was he your Swamp Creature?
Posted by: Soothsayer
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Not hardly. He was way out east, 500 miles from here. My guy is Mark Meadows.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 10, 2019 09:13 PM (KoKdw)

278 Bloke on the Range had a video about how to use it if I remember right.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 10, 2019 09:11 PM (Z+IKu)
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Bloke on the Range is a great resource.

Did some excellent stuff with the Enfield, K31 and the Garand. Also compared the STG-44 to the Garand I believe.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at February 10, 2019 09:15 PM (WEBkv)

279 Go- When they are gone, you will never seen them again on this Earth. Do both. You will not regret it.
Posted by: Infidel at February 10, 2019 09:05 PM (9L2du)

Oh yes, Infidel. I was mostly joking about seeing a rock band. I will be up there very soon. Talked to Mom today. She called because it's my birthday.

My dad is suffering from advanced dementia (non-Alzheimer) Each visit is jarring. Seeing my Dad fade away like this is terrible.

And my Mom is so patient, so loving, so gentle.

How was I so blessed with a Mom and Dad like them?

Posted by: Pug Mahon at February 10, 2019 09:15 PM (FXbwN)

280 Dudes and dudettes, I am watching TWD and running out of gas. Up since, 0400, and up at 0400 in the marning. I admit it, I am a pusssyu. Such is life but ther it is. My or may not be her much longer. Not to mention 2 double Kraken doubles. Yo.

Posted by: Eromero at February 10, 2019 09:15 PM (zLDYs)

281 re 1911 recommendations - thank you for all the feedback!

Grey Fox asked: What are you looking for, feature-wise? There are straight replicas of old military models, there are slightly altered variants (lowered ejection port, modern sights, slanted slide cuts), there are modern variants with new-style beaver-tail grip safeties....


My semi-informed feature preferences: Very good or better trigger out-of-the-box, new-style beaver-tail grip safety, feed-ramped barrel (I've heard the Sig TacOps doesn't have this, and I want reliable feeding of at least some hollow-points).

Posted by: Gref at February 10, 2019 09:15 PM (AMIL/)

282 I believe it is used in an unloading drill so you can quickly unload the magazine without working the bolt all the way.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 10, 2019 09:11 PM (Z+IKu)

This is a large wood screw in the left side of the stock, about two inches forward of the chamber. It's buried in the wood and I doubt it has ever been removed.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2019 09:16 PM (wYseH)

283 Think I read those Stg-44s were *unissued*, in straw, and wooden crates, when the Syrian celebrants liberated them from a guvamint arsenal.


Wouldn't it seem possible that some collector/group thereof, somewhere, put out word to the various outfits with connections to the festivities in Syria (Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon - all permissive areas with multiple ties to it all), that they'd pay top dollar for those things, in pristine condition? Always wondered about that.


Those things had to be Soviet in-kind aid to Syria from the early days of the relationship with papa Assad, in the 60s. Probably seized in Germany in '45, stored away, then like much other odd military hardware given to client states later. Great story, if any of them could ever make their way out.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2019 09:16 PM (QDnY+)

284 there's no Enfields showing on his page now (he does have a Vickers MG, if you have the $$$), but this guy specializes in Commonwealth firearms...

http://bdlltd.com/contact/

talked to him once on the phone, and apparently keeping the website up to date isn't a top priority for him, so those interested in purchasing such things might want to send him an e-mail or a call. friendly and helpful when i talked to him, and i need to e-mail him about the parts list for the Ishapore Mk2A so whoever gets it knows what parts they need to finish it.

Posted by: redc1c4 at February 10, 2019 09:19 PM (ATMED)

285 The Stg assault rifle was built prior to the AK -47. There are significant differences but many significant similarities that I don't know if I believe Kalashnikov when he says he never saw a StG . Yeh okay.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 10, 2019 09:20 PM (2DOZq)

286 During our brief break in the miserable weather last week, I got to the range. That Ruger Single-Ten is a sweet, sweet single action. Just bracing my elbows I was able to keep about 2 inch groups at 25 yards if I was careful. That means the revolver is doing the work. At some point I'll test it with a full pistol rest to see what it can really do.

This Single-Ten is beautifully made and lock up is tight. If I didn't have a Smith K-frame 22 it would be my favorite 22 revolver. As it is we have a tie.

Posted by: JTB at February 10, 2019 09:21 PM (bmdz3)

287 My semi-informed feature preferences: Very good or better trigger out-of-the-box, new-style beaver-tail grip safety, feed-ramped barrel (I've heard the Sig TacOps doesn't have this, and I want reliable feeding of at least some hollow-points).
Posted by: Gref at February 10, 2019 09:15 PM (AMIL/)
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Most newer 1911's have good triggers out of the box. It's pretty much inherent in the design and, fortunately, higher end manufacturers are paying attention to such details.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at February 10, 2019 09:21 PM (WEBkv)

288 Here is an interesting tidbit. A Syrian rebel
faction called the al-Tawhid Brigade stumbled on an arms cache of 5,000
German WWII-era Sturmgwehr 44 (STG-44) rifles.



Why couldn't I stumble onto something like that.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 10, 2019 09:10 PM (2DOZq)


I would lay them out and roll naked in them.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at February 10, 2019 09:22 PM (9Om/r)

289 Happiness is a gub thread.

Posted by: That irredeemable guy who always says... at February 10, 2019 09:22 PM (Tyii7)

290 No notable milsurp collectibles, Brit or otherwise, in my stock, just some run of the mill Mosins and Garands and one carbine.


But I recall one of my favorite "gee fellas, what is this?" thread (from The High Road), years back. As I recall the guy had picked up a Nagant revolver, fairly cheap, was wondering about the inscription on it.


It was a gift from Soviet defense big-wig Voroshilov, inscription from him on the frame. Probably given to some general officer some time in the 1930s. Awesome historical item. Found cheap at a pawn shop.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2019 09:22 PM (QDnY+)

291 On what kind of 1911 can you pull the hammer back and engage the safety?
Mine doesn't do that. Engaging the safety disengages the hammer.

Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at February 10, 2019 09:22 PM (w7KSn)

292 Superior AK platform is strong like bull not like effeminate M16.

Posted by: Eromero at February 10, 2019 09:22 PM (zLDYs)

293 My Ishi also has marks on the forestock indicating that it was once wrapped in wire for further reinforcement.
Posted by: Grey Fox at February 10, 2019 09:13 PM (bZ7mE)


There were specific rifles, usually worn out ones, that were used for launching rodded grenades. That is, they had a longish rod attached to the base of a grenade. The rod went down the barrel, and the grenadier loaded a blank cartridge, grounded the but to keep it pointed in the right direction. and fired it off.

The wire wrapping was to keep the bulging and splitting barrel (since they would do that once in a while due to mud, and other things restricting the barrel) from spalling off bits of stock to rip your face up.

You should check the barrel for ringing, marring around the muzzle, and possible bulging. I don't think anyone would fault you if you replaced the barrel.

However, not all the rifles that were prepped for that work were used that way, since eventually it was determined to be only slightly less dangerous for the grenadiers than the Germans.

Posted by: Kindltot at February 10, 2019 09:23 PM (mUa7G)

294 My dad is suffering from advanced dementia (non-Alzheimer) Each visit is jarring. Seeing my Dad fade away like this is terrible.

And my Mom is so patient, so loving, so gentle.

How was I so blessed with a Mom and Dad like them?

Posted by: Pug Mahon at February 10, 2019 09:15


It is Pug. Recently been there. Have a great time and drive like a wild man. :0

Posted by: Infidel at February 10, 2019 09:24 PM (9L2du)

295 Berserker, now that's a novel form of gun happiness. Rolling in rifles could be a bit uncomfortable. Plus you'd have to wipe them all down after.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2019 09:25 PM (QDnY+)

296
It will be 15 years since Reagan passed.

and almost 15 years since Reggie White suddenly died.


Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at February 10, 2019 09:26 PM (bVXMv)

297 So we get Aliva Battle Angel and Captain Marvel at the the same time.

The SJW is flooding the zone.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 10, 2019 09:27 PM (2DOZq)

298 "On what kind of 1911 can you pull the hammer back and engage the safety? "

All of them.

https://forum.m1911.org/content.php?121-1911-thumb-safety-in-operation

Posted by: St. Lazlo the Unsteady at February 10, 2019 09:27 PM (0kFVP)

299 I remember when Kennedy was shot, remember where I was on 911 and where I was when Reagan passed.

Sad milestones.

Posted by: Infidel at February 10, 2019 09:28 PM (9L2du)

300 Superior AK platform is strong like bull not like effeminate M16.


Posted by: Eromero at February 10, 2019 09:22 PM



You channeling Uncle Palp tonight?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 10, 2019 09:29 PM (3r9e4)

301 Curious on history. How do Lee-Enfields compare to M1s?

If I remember right, the Lees were great in their time, but M1s were later and better, but both were standards in WWII forthe English and Yanks, respectively

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 10, 2019 09:29 PM (1UZdv)

302 "Superior AK platform is strong like bull not like effeminate M16."

AK operators smart like tractor, swift like fence post.

Posted by: St. Lazlo the Unsteady at February 10, 2019 09:30 PM (0kFVP)

303 Superior AK platform is strong like bull not like effeminate M16.
Posted by: Eromero at February 10, 2019 09:22 PM (zLDYs)


https://stoatnet.org/ar_vs_ak.jpg

Posted by: hogmartin at February 10, 2019 09:32 PM (t+qrx)

304 As usual, great thread, weasel! Keep up the great work!

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at February 10, 2019 09:32 PM (WEBkv)

305 Thought that 7.62x63mm was an '06 Springfield but, not espeaking French, I had to look it up.

Posted by: Silly Me at February 10, 2019 09:32 PM (ePWRo)

306 You should check the barrel for ringing, marring around the muzzle, and possible bulging. I don't think anyone would fault you if you replaced the barrel.

Barrel is fine, I think, but I'll double check. I've put a fair number of rounds through it, though, and haven't noticed anything wrong.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 10, 2019 09:32 PM (bZ7mE)

307 Hey everybody.

Just wanted to let everyone know, I'm trying to rustle up interest for another Southern California MoMee this year. I was thinking Pechanga in Temecula, in August or September.

Anyone interested? If so, feel free to shoot me an email at QDPSJL at the gmail thingy. Thanks in advance.

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 10, 2019 09:33 PM (miE9U)

308 Thanks Blake!

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 09:33 PM (MVjcR)

309 Dudes and dudettes, I am watching TWD and running out of gas. Up since, 0400, and up at 0400 in the marning. I admit it, I am a pusssyu. Such is life but ther it is. My or may not be her much longer. Not to mention 2 double Kraken doubles. Yo.
Posted by: Eromero at February 10, 2019 09:15 PM (zLDYs)


At least they had enough sense after one encounter to start shooting Zs in the knees.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 10, 2019 09:33 PM (1g7ch)

310 Sooth, I was doing family maintenance stuff when RR died. It was like losing a family member.

Posted by: Eromero at February 10, 2019 09:33 PM (zLDYs)

311 Don't remember what I was doing when Reagan died but I was in the clubhouse and just about to get on the golf course when he was shot.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at February 10, 2019 09:34 PM (2DOZq)

312 On what kind of 1911 can you pull the hammer back and engage the safety?
Mine doesn't do that. Engaging the safety disengages the hammer.


What do you mean exactly by "disengages the hammer?" Decock? No 1911 decocks.* Some makers offer pistols that look superficially like 1911s but are double-action (Para Ordnance was one, there might be others) but the 1911 is single action by design.

* Yeah, you can pull the trigger and lower the hammer with your thumb. If you do that, I hope that 1) you don't shoot your damn fool foot off and 2) that the ghost of John Browning haunts your dreams.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at February 10, 2019 09:35 PM (qc+VF)

313 It is Pug. Recently been there. Have a great time and drive like a wild man. :0
Posted by: Infidel at February 10, 2019 09:24 PM (9L2du)

Always drive like a wild man. I-25 between Casper and Buffalo is paradise. The best stretch of freeway in the entire US.


Hope to see you at the next Morondevouz.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at February 10, 2019 09:35 PM (FXbwN)

314 Berserker, now that's a novel form of gun happiness.
Rolling in rifles could be a bit uncomfortable. Plus you'd have to wipe
them all down after.


Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2019 09:25 PM (QDnY+)


I guess you're not going to like the Iron Throne idea either. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at February 10, 2019 09:36 PM (9Om/r)

315 Curious on history. How do Lee-Enfields compare to M1s?

If I remember right, the Lees were great in their time, but M1s were later and better, but both were standards in WWII forthe English and Yanks, respectively


Enfields is the best bolt-action battle rifle to see service. M-1 is a great auto-loader. Auto-loaders are usually considered an advance on the bolt action, though I know some Korean war vets traded their M-1s to the Koreans for the M1903s that the Korean army was issued, so not everyone was convinced.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 10, 2019 09:36 PM (bZ7mE)

316 For those interested in cast bullet reloading on all levels, check out the Cast Boolits (real spelling) forum. It's is fun reading and has a ton of information. It even has a thread about Lee Loaders and 310 tools that have several hundred entries.

Posted by: JTB at February 10, 2019 09:37 PM (bmdz3)

317 Curious on history. How do Lee-Enfields compare to M1s?

If I remember right, the Lees were great in their time, but M1s were later and better, but both were standards in WWII forthe English and Yanks, respectively


Posted by: Ignoramus at February 10, 2019 09:29 PM


Good question. They both have their advantages. IMHO... the Enfield tends to be more accurate at longer range and for a bolt action, it's slick and quick... plus there's a lot to be said for 10 rounds. That being said, the Garand is a great battle rifle and semi auto 8 rounds is hard to beat. Push comes to shove in the field generally... the Garand. The most important factor is what you can do with a number of bad guys bearing down on you. Garand's got that edge.

Posted by: otho at February 10, 2019 09:37 PM (LkFnL)

318 -* Yeah, you can pull the trigger and lower the hammer with your thumb. If you do that, I hope that 1) you don't shoot your damn fool foot off and 2) that the ghost of John Browning haunts your dreams.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at February 10, 2019 09:35 PM (qc+VF)


Steve McQueen did an illustration of how to do this in one of his movies. Alley McGraw too.

Posted by: Silly Me at February 10, 2019 09:38 PM (ePWRo)

319 316 For those interested in cast bullet reloading on all levels, check out the Cast Boolits (real spelling) forum. It's is fun reading and has a ton of information. It even has a thread about Lee Loaders and 310 tools that have several hundred entries.

Posted by: JTB at February 10, 2019 09:37 PM (bmdz3)
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Thanks JTB!

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 09:38 PM (MVjcR)

320 Enfields is the best bolt-action battle rifle to see service.

*glares*

Posted by: Zombie Paul Mauser at February 10, 2019 09:39 PM (qc+VF)

321 https://stoatnet.org/ar_vs_ak.jpg

Posted by: hogmartin at February 10, 2019 09:32 PM (t+qrx)


I wanted to make a variant of that meme that ends with "building a Kentucky Rifle" with a still from "The Gunsmith of Williamsburg."

Some folks really, literally, do forge guns by hand....

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 10, 2019 09:39 PM (bZ7mE)

322 "Some makers offer pistols that look superficially like 1911s but are double-action (Para Ordnance was one, there might be others)..."

I have a Para Ordnance LDA 1911 and the thumb and grip safeties work the same as on a standard 1911, no decocking lever as on a Sig or M9 (spit).

Posted by: St. Lazlo the Unsteady at February 10, 2019 09:39 PM (0kFVP)

323 *glares*
Posted by: Zombie Paul Mauser at February 10, 2019 09:39 PM (qc+VF)
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Great bolt, slickern' snot, but the sight radius is crap!

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at February 10, 2019 09:41 PM (WEBkv)

324 Enfields is the best bolt-action battle rifle to see service.

*glares*

Posted by: Zombie Paul Mauser at February 10, 2019 09:39 PM (qc+VF)


Overall, I think that the Mauser 98 is the best action designed ever. As a specialty battle weapon, though, the Enfield has the edge.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 10, 2019 09:42 PM (bZ7mE)

325 Yeah, thanks JTB for pushing the reloading topic, something I do here myself. I guess it naturally comes up when it comes up, which may be the best approach.


For those thinking about reloading, one place to read up (and ask questions, extremely helpful crowd) is the reloading forum on The High Road, a very good firearms website. I lurked there for a while, then asked lots of questions as I got into it and started to have issues. Of course the other forums there are good also.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2019 09:42 PM (QDnY+)

326 I wanted to make a variant of that meme that ends with "building a Kentucky Rifle" with a still from "The Gunsmith of Williamsburg."

Some folks really, literally, do forge guns by hand....
Posted by: Grey Fox at February 10, 2019 09:39 PM (bZ7mE)


Is Foxfire #5 the one that has the gunsmithing in it? I think I read that one a long time ago.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 10, 2019 09:44 PM (t+qrx)

327
Hope to see you at the next Morondevouz.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at February 10, 2019 09:35 PM (FXbwN)


lol. The ride from GJ to Sturgis in 2000 was crazy wind. April 29? I've been texting WDS.

Posted by: Infidel at February 10, 2019 09:45 PM (9L2du)

328 Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2019 09:42 PM (QDnY+)
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I'm hoping to add a reloading corner type feature here soon.

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 09:45 PM (MVjcR)

329 Is Foxfire #5 the one that has the gunsmithing in it? I think I read that one a long time ago.

Yep. I know one of the guys in it, as it so happens...

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 10, 2019 09:45 PM (bZ7mE)

330 Speaking of reloading, have a small burr or something in my 38/357 resizing die that is making beautiful galling marks the length of 357 cases. Don't know how such a thing gets there (can see it with good light). I was half-way through a session of reloading some powder-puff rounds (I use 357 cases in snub revolvers to reduce/avoid the typical 38 special residue ring in the cylinders), and these gall marks started.


Will email Lee tonight, expect they'll take care of it. I know what needs to be done (smooth/polish it out), but don't have the tools to do it right. They fixed a similar problem in my 30 carbine dies a few years ago.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2019 09:46 PM (QDnY+)

331 Crazy question, but what are the better gun owner states to live in? Is Pennsylvania still worth a shit?

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at February 10, 2019 09:46 PM (9Om/r)

332 /sock

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at February 10, 2019 09:47 PM (qc+VF)

333 A favorite of mine: at one point in time I was a serious collector of Enfields, with near a dozen to pet and shoot, ranging from a 1906 No 1 Mk 1 *** ( a sexy beast with a magazine disconnect and a side mounted long range volley sight) to a Santa Fe Ordinance Jungle Carbine, a 2 groove barreled No.4 modified to Jungle Carbine specs. The Santa Fe fixed the wandering zero issue by having a standard diameter barrel and no lightening cuts. The recoil, in my experience, is stout BECAUSE of the hard rubber butt pad, which, being smaller than the butt of the rifle, distributes the force in a compressed space. Love the 303. Best 303 memory? Spoiled watermelons in a patch at a pals house. The nearest melon was 200 yards distant, I was using a No4 MkII with irons, and every 180 grain 2400 fps hit delivered a satisfying spray of melon and a deep "THWOK!" Good times.

Posted by: SixgunSam at February 10, 2019 09:47 PM (YnaIo)

334 Weasel, great (about adding reloading as a recurring topic).


As always, great job on another gub thread.


So, what was approximate (or exact) head-count on the MoMee last night? Just curious. Ironic - spent decades in DC, but now far, far away.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2019 09:48 PM (QDnY+)

335 Crazy question, but what are the better gun owner states to live in? Is Pennsylvania still worth a shit?
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at February 10, 2019 09:46 PM (9Om/r)


Michigan is shall-issue and a valid CPL obviates a NICS check. The only oddball thing that comes to mind is registering handguns with local law enforcement.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 10, 2019 09:49 PM (t+qrx)

336 321 ... "I wanted to make a variant of that meme that ends with "building a Kentucky Rifle" with a still from "The Gunsmith of Williamsburg."

Grey Fox, Don't know if it is still on display but I've seen the rifle Gussler built in that video. Talk about a work of art!!!

BTW, I've seen that Williamsburg Gunsmith video so many times I have it memorized. And yes, I do miss David Brinkley's voice.

Posted by: JTB at February 10, 2019 09:49 PM (bmdz3)

337 Before the flag is thrown for the ONT, just wanted to thank you for your hard work in putting these threads together, Weasel.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 10, 2019 09:50 PM (ffYR/)

338 ONT.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 10, 2019 09:50 PM (t+qrx)

339 331 Crazy question, but what are the better gun owner states to live in? Is Pennsylvania still worth a shit?
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at February 10, 2019 09:46 PM (9Om/r)
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AZ probably tops the list.

Idaho, TX and ND are excellent.

Honestly, a lot of states are just now catching up to what AZ has always been.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at February 10, 2019 09:51 PM (WEBkv)

340 "Crazy question, but what are the better gun owner states to live in?"

Generally anything south of the Mason Dixon line and in between I-5 and I95.

Posted by: St. Lazlo the Unsteady at February 10, 2019 09:51 PM (j/49Y)

341 Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2019 09:46 PM (QDnY+)
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Is it the sort of thing bore paste on a cleaning mop would take care of?

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 09:51 PM (MVjcR)

342 Crazy question, but what are the better gun owner states to live in?

Texas is pretty good. We have licensed open carry, no magazine limits, no purchase limits, class III. However little or no public land for shooting.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at February 10, 2019 09:51 PM (qc+VF)

343 Weasel - excellent thread, as always! Very nice to meet you, hope to see you again soon.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 10, 2019 09:52 PM (t+qrx)

344 But not much before. ONT is up.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 10, 2019 09:53 PM (ffYR/)

345 Weasel,

A suggestion for a future subject: Recommended gun/ammo/shooting tips websites and forums. Including reasons why. This should get a LOT of suggestions by your readers.


And I don't know if this is possible/allowed on AoSHQ, but maybe after such a thread you could put a recommended gun/ammo link collection in one of the sidebars?

Posted by: Gref at February 10, 2019 09:54 PM (AMIL/)

346 OK, Thanks everyone! I appreciate all the kind words and encouragement regarding the Gun Thread. See you next week!

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 09:55 PM (MVjcR)

347 So, what was approximate (or exact) head-count on the MoMee last night? Just curious. Ironic - spent decades in DC, but now far, far away.


Posted by: rhomboid at February 10, 2019 09:48 PM (QDnY+)
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Sixty maybe?

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 09:56 PM (MVjcR)

348 343 Weasel - excellent thread, as always! Very nice to meet you, hope to see you again soon.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 10, 2019 09:52 PM (t+qrx)
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Same here. Thanks hogmartin.

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 09:57 PM (MVjcR)

349 Well ok, now I'm sober, TWD is finished, and I'm hauling my sorry ass off to the rack. It's been good thread and see y'all at 0400. Boudain will be acceptable with cofveve.

Posted by: Eromero at February 10, 2019 09:58 PM (zLDYs)

350 I have a No. 5, Mk. I, just like the rifle pictured. Yeah, it punishes your shoulder.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 10, 2019 09:59 PM (nPGq2)

351 Thinking about getting a CZ 527 rifle in 7.62x39.

Will be hunting down paper targets between 50 and 300 yards.

Scope question. Not asking for a brand recommendation - would like to know what *features* I should prioritize.

Posted by: ArthurK at February 10, 2019 10:00 PM (L8rV2)

352 Weasel,

A suggestion for a future subject: Recommended gun/ammo/shooting tips websites and forums. Including reasons why. This should get a LOT of suggestions by your readers.


And I don't know if this is possible/allowed on AoSHQ, but maybe after such a thread you could put a recommended gun/ammo link collection in one of the sidebars?

Posted by: Gref at February 10, 2019 09:54 PM (AMIL/)
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Thanks Gref. I was thinking of doing a "resources" type thread sometime soon. great suggestion. I've already started on a little website archiving the threads and some other info but it really slooooow going.

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 10:01 PM (MVjcR)

353 Enfields is the best bolt-action battle rifle to see service.



*glares*
Posted by: Zombie Paul Mauser at February 10, 2019 09:39 PM (qc+VF)


Enfield was a better action.

The Mauser is nice and slick, but it is a touch clunky. It is also made of lots of small parts and can be difficult to fix when it is muddy or sandy and cold out. The US Springfield would break the extractor springs if you single-loaded them. It was a wonderful target and sniping rifle.

The Krag was a good rifle, but the round was obsolescent and once again it had lots of parts and was a bit delicate. It was a wonderful rifle

The Lebel rifle was a dream of a design, made to be both elegant and simple for the poilu to operate, and it was designed for the limitation of a round that was obsolete when the French ordinance design bureau signed off on it.

The Enfield was functional in the same sort of way a lot of British designs were functional. A bit simple, a bit plain, but where it counted it was done right. It is stout, could be used as a club, used in bayonet fighting, and originally came with a volley sight that you could engage cavalry at long range. Also, a skilled soldier could fire off, with aimed shots, the entire 10 shot magazine faster than you can read this sentence aloud.


Posted by: Kindltot at February 10, 2019 10:03 PM (mUa7G)

354 325 and 330 ... rhomboid,

Another vote for The High Road. It's a great site I've used for years on just about every topic. Also, I've had good results with Lee customer service.


In a similar vein to The High Road, there's the Muzzleloading Forum. It deals only with traditional style black powder guns up to cap and ball, Civil War era. It deals with weapons, of course, but also with the history of the eras involved and associated activites like camping, camp cooking, living on the frontier, gardening, building guns and gear, living history, etc. It is a valuable site.

Posted by: JTB at February 10, 2019 10:04 PM (bmdz3)

355 Well ok, now I'm sober, TWD is finished, and I'm hauling my sorry ass off to the rack. It's been good thread and see y'all at 0400. Boudain will be acceptable with cofveve.
Posted by: Eromero at February 10, 2019 09:58 PM (zLDYs)

Nope 90 minutes.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 10, 2019 10:04 PM (1g7ch)

356 331 Crazy question, but what are the better gun owner states to live in? Is Pennsylvania still worth a shit?
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at February 10, 2019 09:46 PM (9Om/r)


So far yes, but like every other state it is slowly and inexorably turning red.


(I refuse to use the MSM's color scheme. Communists are and always have been red.)

Posted by: rickl at February 10, 2019 10:06 PM (sdi6R)

357 Posted by: JTB at February 10, 2019 10:04 PM (bmdz3)
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The High Road is a great and informative site.

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 10:16 PM (MVjcR)

358 The "I" after GR might stand for the Latin designation for "India" or for "imperator," indicating that he was also Emperor of India. Not sure which.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 10, 2019 09:00 PM (bZ7mE)

British and Canadian coins from the era had "Et Ind. Imp." attached to the monarch's name.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 10, 2019 10:33 PM (nPGq2)

359 I have a Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk 1. The barrel is shot out, so it is a refurb project for this year.
I also own a DeLisle repro. Actually, the gunsmith is holding it until I get the ATF tax stamp. Lee Enfield bolt action, chambered for .45ACP, integral suppressor.

Posted by: butch at February 10, 2019 10:36 PM (hXu8T)

360 337 Before the flag is thrown for the ONT, just wanted to thank you for your hard work in putting these threads together, Weasel.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at February 10, 2019 09:50 PM (ffYR/)
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You're very welcome! Thanks Calm Mentor.

Posted by: Weasel at February 10, 2019 10:40 PM (MVjcR)

361 I have a Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk 1. The barrel is shot out, so it is a refurb project for this year.


I just saw this barrel at Sarco

#4 Enfield Barrel, Excellent Condition http://bit.ly/2GAXAol

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 10, 2019 10:54 PM (yQpMk)

362 331 Crazy question, but what are the better gun owner states to live in? Is Pennsylvania still worth a shit?

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at February 10, 2019 09:46 PM (9Om/r)



So far yes, but like every other state it is slowly and inexorably turning red.





(I refuse to use the MSM's color scheme. Communists are and always have been red.)
A Red State is conservative and more are turning Red. There are now 15 states that allow concealed carry without a permit. What we face however is that people that leave states such as California to get away from the Left move to Red states and then vote for the Left's candidates. Same for all those illegal immigrants that leave their shit hole that they helped create and then slither in to this country and start to create another shit hole. Being Left really is a manifestation of a low IQ and people being educated past their level of intelligence. It is interesting that South America and North America were colonized at the same time. That is a strong indicator that there is a real difference in the cultures.

Posted by: rich at February 10, 2019 10:54 PM (BATdn)

363 141 Yeah, rhomboid, that's what I was thinking. I was comparing old results and all of a sudden had a "Holy Shit" moment, then an "Oh, Shit" one.
10.5 is max load for Blue Dot, so I'm sure not wanting to blow up my Glock 32.
BD is a pretty slow powder in order to build up the pressure to get .357 sig performance. I wonder if the mag primer speeded everything up.
Posted by: RI Red at February 10, 2019 08:25 PM (p4fBk)


Well, Alliant says not to use Blue Dot for .357 mag with 125 gr bullets.

No load data on Alliant's site for Blue Dot in .357 Sig. They list BE-86, Herco, and Unique for 125 gr bullets.

The mag primer will generate more pressure than a standard primer and is going to kick on the bullet harder. Bullet starts moving earlier and the geometry is out of spec. Small case volume of the .357 Sig (compared to 357 or 44 Mag) exacerbates this.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at February 10, 2019 11:27 PM (di1hb)

364 That Mad Max Mo-Fo-BIKE be called ROAD RANGE

Posted by: saf at February 11, 2019 07:08 AM (5IHGB)

365 It was great seeing old friends and meeting some new ones at the MoMee. Thanks to bluebell and weasel for setting it all up.

Posted by: physics geek at February 11, 2019 09:53 AM (huQJB)

366 Has anyone ever thought of combining the NoVaMoMe and a range trip? I bet we could fill up a range and show off some interesting firearms at the same time. Just thinking out loud.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at February 11, 2019 10:43 AM (+Kpte)

367 I own four .303s. My favourite is my No 5, MK 1 Jungle carbine. I love how light and handy it is. I don't have any problem with the recoil. The range I shoot at only goes up to 300M, but it's accuracy is very good, limited only by my eyesight. Mine was made in Dec '47. It is my second favourite weapon, after my M1, manufactured Jul '45. My oldest .303 was manufactured in 1916. It has been 'sporterized' by as previous owner.

Posted by: Jay Harper at February 11, 2019 01:11 PM (VbTfT)

368 I have two Enfield Mk.4s, both made by Savage. They are excellent guns, and yes, the recoil is stout. By comparison with a Mosin, the Enfields seem to be less fierce in recoil and I REALLY like the better safety and removable magazines. Pity that ammo got expensive. Was a time that I could get Canadian Army or Greek Army surplus ammo, fifty rounds for five to ten dollars.

Posted by: Surellin at February 12, 2019 09:21 AM (gt1lX)

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