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Sentencing Memo on Michael Cohen Released; Claims Cohen Did Not Cooperate With Investigators, Recommends a "Substantial" Term of Imprisonment

Meanwhile, James Comey , wearing a lot of clown make-up, was just claiming that he cooperated fully with Congress except for all the times his lawyer ran interference for him. I'll put up a clip of that when it becomes available.






WOMP WOMP.

Reevaluating: Maybe "WOMP WOMP" isn't the right reaction. It seems prosecutors are looking to squeeze Cohen by threatening him with "substantial" jail time despite cooperation; they're going after him like gangbusters for "cooperation," or maybe just playing along with their narrative.

And I think Cohen's the kind of guy who will eventually read whatever script you put in front of him.

More, now From Mueller: The above stuff was filed by the Southern District of NY's attorney.

Now here's Mueller's filing:






Posted by: Ace of Spades at 04:55 PM




Comments

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1 Last.

Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2018 04:56 PM (c+2jX)

2 Last -- 'cause I yawn at this news.

Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2018 04:56 PM (c+2jX)

3 That'll teach Trump.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2018 04:58 PM (UxbT4)

4 James Cohen?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2018 04:58 PM (UxbT4)

5 I forget again -- is "Womp womp" a reference to Pinochet's helicopter blades, or someone getting beaten up, or...stomping our feet in the stadium along with Queen's "We Will Rock You"? Someone enlighten me.

Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2018 04:59 PM (c+2jX)

6 Comey.

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 07, 2018 04:59 PM (4e+hS)

7 Meyer Cohen?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2018 05:00 PM (UxbT4)

8 Womp womp is a sad trombone.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at December 07, 2018 05:00 PM (Sqor6)

9 Meyer Cohen?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2018 05:00 PM (UxbT4)

Yes good friend of Fat Vinnie from Bosston

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2018 05:01 PM (yWXpx)

10 Meanwhile, James Cohen, wearing a lot of clown make-up, was just
claiming that he cooperated fully with Congress except for all the times
his lawyer ran interference for him.


Aha! Comey has been a secret Joooo all along! I guess he's a morono (apologies to Morons).

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 07, 2018 05:01 PM (p7Ld0)

11 Yeah,didn't sing the tune Mueller wanted to hear.

Posted by: steevy at December 07, 2018 05:01 PM (BXMxN)

12 So Deep State DOJ is protecting Comey.

Two Americas. Two sets of laws.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 07, 2018 05:01 PM (ptqGC)

13 Comey Cohen Cunt...Ya all seeing a pattern here

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2018 05:02 PM (yWXpx)

14 I tell you who I really hate is Michael Cohen, Stormy's lawyer.

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 07, 2018 05:02 PM (4e+hS)

15 Meanwhile, Hillary is still free as a bird.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 07, 2018 05:02 PM (ptqGC)

16 Michael Cohen is right!

Posted by: Owen Cohen at December 07, 2018 05:03 PM (UxbT4)

17 If I were PDT, I'd fire that DOJ attorney Today

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2018 05:03 PM (yWXpx)

18
Two Americas. Two sets of laws.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 07, 2018 05:01 PM (ptqGC)

46 47 Americas. One for each gender ... and two for Spirit Animal, just because it sounds like there are a couple of things going on in there ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 07, 2018 05:03 PM (p7Ld0)

19 Where does Hyman Roth fit into all of this?

Posted by: Owen Cohen at December 07, 2018 05:03 PM (UxbT4)

20 Meanwhile, Hillary is still free as a bird.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 07, 2018 05:02 PM (ptqGC)

And Fat as a Bulldozer
As soggy as a wet spong
As ugly as baboon's ass
And as pleasant as A Hitler

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2018 05:04 PM (yWXpx)

21 Is Beootiful, no?

Posted by: Skookumchuk at December 07, 2018 05:04 PM (CeJUf)

22 How many Dems are working for Mueller? I've lost count.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 07, 2018 05:04 PM (ptqGC)

23 But everyone told me that cohen was spilling the goods on Trump and he would ensure that Trump was going to be impeached.......

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 07, 2018 05:05 PM (JUOKG)

24 8 Womp womp is a sad trombone.
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at December 07, 2018 05:00 PM (Sqor6)

It's just Wah wah. There are no P's in sad trombone!

Posted by: The Federal Reserve at December 07, 2018 05:05 PM (zUD19)

25 Whitey Cohen. Rat?

Posted by: Lousy1 at December 07, 2018 05:05 PM (1wxON)

26 "A Substantial Term of Imprisonment Is Warranted"

I've been watching an interesting TV series made in the Netherlands in which actors carefully recreate various serious crimes - murder, attempted murde,r kidnapping, rape, mass-shootings, etc. -- along with what led up to them. And at the end of each show, text-over on the screen reveals what the conviction and sentencing was for each case.

Why is this relevant? Because, as the show reveals, the sentencing in Holland (and most of the rest of Europe is shockingly (and I mean SHOCKINGLY) light. Typical shows conclude,

"Jan was convicted on second-degree homicide, kidnapping, and sexual assult. He was sentenced to three years' imprisonment."

or

"Petr was convicted of five counts of attempted murder, three counts of gross bodily harm, and one count of terrorism. He was deemed incompetent to stand trial because he suffers from ADHD, sent to hospital for psychological evaluation, and released after 9 months."

Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2018 05:05 PM (c+2jX)

27 rest of Europe is = rest of Europe) is

Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2018 05:06 PM (c+2jX)

28 I never see James Cohen at synagogue.

Posted by: Cohen Cohen Jr. at December 07, 2018 05:07 PM (4e+hS)

29 Ocasio-Cortez Threatens To Retaliate Against Trump Jr. Over Meme, Twitter Explodes With Accusations Of Ethics Violations

The gift that keeps giving

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2018 05:07 PM (yWXpx)

30 I've been watching an interesting TV series made in
the Netherlands in which actors carefully recreate various serious
crimes - murder, attempted murde,r kidnapping, rape, mass-shootings,
etc. -- along with what led up to them. And at the end of each show,
text-over on the screen reveals what the conviction and sentencing was
for each case.



Why is this relevant? Because, as the show reveals, the sentencing
in Holland (and most of the rest of Europe is shockingly (and I mean
SHOCKINGLY) light. Typical shows conclude,



"Jan was convicted on second-degree homicide, kidnapping, and sexual assult. He was sentenced to three years' imprisonment."



or



"Petr was convicted of five counts of attempted murder, three counts
of gross bodily harm, and one count of terrorism. He was deemed
incompetent to stand trial because he suffers from ADHD, sent to
hospital for psychological evaluation, and released after 9 months."





Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2018 05:05 PM

---

I need to move there so I can commit multiple murders and blame my OCD for it and not go to jail.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 07, 2018 05:07 PM (JUOKG)

31 Mixed bag. Looks like he tried to limit things to items (the imaginary campaign finance) that he could blame someone else for and refused to be candid for anything that he actually did do. Which pissed Mueller off... but nothing else would have been properly of interest to Mueller in the first place.

So now SDNY has him, and Mueller has weak tea only, but broadly positive image on the whole thing which is wholly unjustified.

Posted by: Sporkatus at December 07, 2018 05:08 PM (HtLSE)

32 zombie at December 07, 2018 05:05 PM (c+2jX)

Well, "they" are always saying we should be more like Europe ...

Posted by: Adriane the Biblical Proportions Critic ... at December 07, 2018 05:08 PM (LPnfS)

33
I need to move there so I can commit multiple murders and blame my OCD for it and not go to jail.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 07, 2018 05:07 PM (JUOKG)

Those were "attempted" murder. He has ADHD, remember?

Posted by: The Federal Reserve at December 07, 2018 05:08 PM (zUD19)

34 With 55,000 Federal laws on the books a motivated persecutor makes it pretty hard to work for Trump.

Posted by: MAGA at December 07, 2018 05:09 PM (OmbsM)

35 24 8 Womp womp is a sad trombone.
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at December 07, 2018 05:00 PM (Sqor6)

It's just Wah wah. There are no P's in sad trombone!
Posted by: The Federal Reserve


So -- is "womo womp" sad trombone or not?

Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2018 05:09 PM (c+2jX)

36
so when does Saint Hillary get her canonization?

Posted by: Sphynx at December 07, 2018 05:09 PM (rXie1)

37 James Cohen ? That would be James TallBoy Comey

Posted by: Sphynx at December 07, 2018 05:10 PM (rXie1)

38 Yeah I don't know who this guy is.

Posted by: Total Control Racist at December 07, 2018 05:10 PM (z2W2E)

39 I have to wonder... is Mueller's team caught up in a mass hallucination? Imaging they see crimes and conspiracies where none exist? It's weird, like they are convinced some plot existed in 2016... if only they could get someone to admit to it. Like a missing link they are searching and searching and searching ...

Posted by: Serious Cat at December 07, 2018 05:10 PM (sKCK0)

40 I was gonna stab Jan to death
But then I got high

Posted by: Insomniac at December 07, 2018 05:11 PM (NWiLs)

41
sad trombone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqPxDYdbgoc

I thought it was something else that you get in a blues tune transition from one player to another.

Posted by: Schuyler Saxon at December 07, 2018 05:11 PM (hrcfq)

42 Aw, he wouldn't co-operate in his conviction?
Yeah, totally throw the book at him.

/s

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 07, 2018 05:11 PM (bcbK8)

43 $49,000,000 to get MICHAEL COHEN?!

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 07, 2018 05:12 PM (NDlpU)

44 7. SDNY re Cohen: "A Substantial Term of Imprisonment Is Warranted"

Welcome to the party, pal!

Posted by: Dinesh D'souza, ex-con at December 07, 2018 05:12 PM (zUD19)

45 What a stupid time to be alive.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 07, 2018 05:12 PM (ptqGC)

46 So attorney's suck, generally speaking. But US attorney's are the smuggest of a smug bunch, of self regarding wankers, who wank, because they love themselves.

Posted by: simplemind at December 07, 2018 05:12 PM (0hp0b)

47 The punishment should fit the crime, not how much the defendant sucked the dick of the DA and the cops.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 07, 2018 05:12 PM (bcbK8)

48 What a spineless f'in jerk.

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2018 05:13 PM (/rm4P)

49 So Justice now totally depends on Cooperation.

OK then... Banana Republic status confirmed.

Posted by: Don Quixote at December 07, 2018 05:13 PM (NgKpN)

50 It's the kiss of death to work for PDT, apparently.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 07, 2018 05:13 PM (ptqGC)

51 "Meyer Cohen? "

Myron Cohen.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 07, 2018 05:13 PM (kHwSu)

52
So, Cohen refused to incriminate himself or others?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 07, 2018 05:13 PM (FNumf)

53 I need to move there so I can commit multiple murders and blame my OCD for it and not go to jail.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman


Serious, in one of the cases, a guy was shown committing obvious first-degree murder in cold blood. Premeditated, no question of guilt, no remorse.

He was originally sentenced to five (GASP!) years, but then that got reversed on appeal and he ultimately was sentenced to just 18 months in a plush rehab center because he has (ta-da!) PTSD. He was "cured" after 11 months, let out, free as a bird.

Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2018 05:13 PM (c+2jX)

54 The inquisitors say you did it, you did it.

Cohen, you fucking schmuck.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 07, 2018 05:13 PM (oVJmc)

55 Russia Russia Russia, or not

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 07, 2018 05:14 PM (bQtop)

56 Ace Cohen's right! James Cohen is a clown!

Posted by: Howard Cohen at December 07, 2018 05:14 PM (SOwie)

57 So -- is "womo womp" sad trombone or not?
Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2018 05:09 PM (c+2jX)


I hereby swear and affirm that 'womp womp' is the correct and accepted rendering of the 'sad trombone' sound in printed text.

Signed this 7th of December 2018, hogmartin

Posted by: hogmartin at December 07, 2018 05:14 PM (t+qrx)

58 If Cohen had anything on Trump, he would have sung to stay out of jail. No song, no wrong.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at December 07, 2018 05:14 PM (iM3ML)

59 46 So attorney's suck, generally speaking. But US attorney's are the smuggest of a smug bunch, of self regarding wankers, who wank, because they love themselves.
Posted by: simplemind at December 07, 2018 05:12 PM (0hp0b)

Litigators from South Florida are a close second.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 07, 2018 05:14 PM (NWiLs)

60 22 - All of them thats fot sure

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2018 05:14 PM (/rm4P)

61 So, Cohen refused to incriminate himself or others?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 07, 2018 05:13 PM (FNumf)

------------------

Sounds just like what Comey just did today, doesn't it?

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 07, 2018 05:15 PM (ffYR/)

62 53 I need to move there so I can commit multiple murders and blame my OCD for it and not go to jail.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman

Serious, in one of the cases, a guy was shown committing obvious first-degree murder in cold blood. Premeditated, no question of guilt, no remorse.

He was originally sentenced to five (GASP!) years, but then that got reversed on appeal and he ultimately was sentenced to just 18 months in a plush rehab center because he has (ta-da!) PTSD. He was "cured" after 11 months, let out, free as a bird.
Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2018 05:13 PM (c+2jX)

If you want to be a crook, go to Europe.

Very little downsides.

They have prisons in Norway and Sweden that are basically resorts you can't walk out of.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 07, 2018 05:15 PM (bcbK8)

63 attorney's suck, generally speaking. But US attorney's are the smuggest of a smug bunch

++++

And they never return phone calls

Speaking of, is there any way to check if a lawyer filed a suit on your behalf as instructed because asshole won't return a call?

Posted by: Total Control Racist at December 07, 2018 05:15 PM (z2W2E)

64 If Cohen had anything on Trump, he would have sung to stay out of jail. No song, no wrong.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at December 07, 2018 05:14 PM (iM3ML)


He's getting hard time because he couldn't give them anything on Trump. I don't doubt for a second if he'd had anything, he'd have sung like a canary.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 07, 2018 05:15 PM (ptqGC)

65 According to my sources, Cohen traveled to the International Space Station to meet with Vladimir Putin beyond the reach of NSA surveillance.

Putin agreed that Trump could develop Crimea into a golf and casino resort to be named "Trumpea" in exchange for granting Russia access to the US nuclear codes.

Check his passport!!!

Posted by: Christopher Steele at December 07, 2018 05:15 PM (DuAZ5)

66 So when do we get the transcript of James Coburn's testimony?

Posted by: Mark1971 at December 07, 2018 05:15 PM (xPl2J)

67 That'll learn you to associate with Trump.

Next!

Posted by: smilin jack at December 07, 2018 05:16 PM (yDxHh)

68 Oh, come on!

Trombones do not womp.

Posted by: The Federal Reserve at December 07, 2018 05:16 PM (zUD19)

69 If Cohen had anything on Trump, he would have sung to stay out of jail. No song, no wrong.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at December 07, 2018 05:14 PM (iM3ML)

THIS

Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2018 05:16 PM (NFEMn)

70 True sad trombone: waa waaa waaaaaaa

Posted by: Braenyard at December 07, 2018 05:16 PM (kHwSu)

71 Charlottesville driver convicted, boofing expected.

Posted by: Individual 29 at December 07, 2018 05:16 PM (KK990)

72 How many Dems are working for Mueller? <<<<<<<<
all of them.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 07, 2018 05:16 PM (r+sAi)

73 So -- is "womo womp" sad trombone or not?
Posted by: zombie



I thought womp womp was for Pinochet and get to the choppa!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2018 05:17 PM (KUNWw)

74 So, what are the actual crimes Cohen's going down for?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 07, 2018 05:17 PM (oVJmc)

75 Oh goody. Marie Cat Hork is on The Five. What a smug twit she is, for having worked for one of the slimiest administrations in history.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 07, 2018 05:17 PM (ptqGC)

76 57 So -- is "womo womp" sad trombone or not?
Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2018 05:09 PM (c+2jX)

I hereby swear and affirm that 'womp womp' is the correct and accepted rendering of the 'sad trombone' sound in printed text.

Signed this 7th of December 2018, hogmartin
Posted by: hogmartin at December 07, 2018 05:14 PM (t+qrx)

who made you King anyway?

Posted by: Dirty Peasent... at December 07, 2018 05:17 PM (NgKpN)

77 68 Oh, come on!

Trombones do not womp.
Posted by: The Federal Reserve


But what if Pinochet threw a trombone out of his helicopter? Surely that trombone would be sad.

Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2018 05:17 PM (c+2jX)

78 what are the actual crimes Cohen's going down for?

+++

Being a Cohen basically

Posted by: Total Control Racist at December 07, 2018 05:17 PM (z2W2E)

79 Trombones do not womp.
Posted by: The Federal Reserve at December 07, 2018 05:16 PM (zUD19)


Please don't wompshame.

Posted by: hogmartin at December 07, 2018 05:17 PM (t+qrx)

80 I'm getting all of these Cohens mixed up.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 07, 2018 05:18 PM (r+sAi)

81 In the future, everyone will be a Cohen for fifteen minutes.

Posted by: Andy Cohen at December 07, 2018 05:18 PM (oVJmc)

82 How many Dems are working for Mueller?
all of them.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 07, 2018 05:16 PM (r+sAi)

And they are all ANGRY democrats!

Posted by: PDT at December 07, 2018 05:18 PM (NFEMn)

83 Ocasio-Cortez Threatens To Retaliate Against Trump Jr. Over Meme, Twitter Explodes With Accusations Of Ethics Violations

The gift that keeps giving

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2018 05:07 PM (yWXpx)
*************************
This women thinks she has been elected Queen and that we are now her subjects.

Posted by: redridinghood at December 07, 2018 05:18 PM (hECVl)

84 Speaking of, is there any way to check if a lawyer filed a suit on your behalf as instructed because asshole won't return a call?
Posted by: Total Control Racist at December 07, 2018 05:15 PM (z2W2E)

State or federal?

Posted by: Insomniac at December 07, 2018 05:18 PM (NWiLs)

85 More of a wha wha wha wha really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJxCdh1Ps48

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2018 05:19 PM (/tuJf)

86 77 68 Oh, come on!

Trombones do not womp.
Posted by: The Federal Reserve

But what if Pinochet threw a trombone out of his helicopter? Surely that trombone would be sad.
Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2018 05:17 PM (c+2jX)

And a dirty commie. Probably.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 07, 2018 05:19 PM (bcbK8)

87 80 I'm getting all of these Cohens mixed up.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk


Iceberg, Goldberg -- what's the difference?

Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2018 05:19 PM (c+2jX)

88 I keek Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed's ass!

Posted by: Cohen Cohen Cohen at December 07, 2018 05:19 PM (7A6l6)

89 In the future, everyone will be a Cohen for fifteen minutes.
Posted by: Andy Cohen at December 07, 2018 05:18 PM (oVJmc)

The Coen Brothers make quirky, entertaining films....

Posted by: PDT at December 07, 2018 05:19 PM (NFEMn)

90 -
--
In the future, everyone will be a Cohen for fifteen minutes.


Posted by: Andy Cohen at December 07, 2018 05:18 PM

----------------------------

Especially Hitler.

Posted by: irright at December 07, 2018 05:19 PM (pMGkg)

91 39 I have to wonder... is Mueller's team caught up in a mass hallucination? Imaging they see crimes and conspiracies where none exist? It's weird, like they are convinced some plot existed in 2016...

You must be one of those people who think DOJ is in the business of "justice."

This is a big game to them - This is not about crimes, this is about who can twist the rules in their favor. The same with elections. The Dems see it as a game and all things are fair. This is why we need the 2nd. This is why we need limited government.

Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at December 07, 2018 05:19 PM (LWu6U)

92 All the wompsplaining is triggering me.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 07, 2018 05:20 PM (NWiLs)

93
There is a thing called a 'glissando', but this example is too slow. You do it up tempo in a New Orleans Blues tune and the place starts jumping.

There is a slide whistle, but it's a whistle, not a trombone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHH5JUQW6gQ

Posted by: Schuyler Saxon at December 07, 2018 05:20 PM (hrcfq)

94 First they tell me it's rabbit season, then they tell me it's duck season!

I'm so confused Mr. Mueller, does this mean Trump will still be President on Monday and Hillary won't be President
ever?


Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 07, 2018 05:20 PM (37IEG)

95 State or federal

+++

Local/state.bsuing a school district

Posted by: Total Control Racist at December 07, 2018 05:20 PM (z2W2E)

96 Speaking of, is there any way to check if a lawyer filed a suit on your behalf as instructed because asshole won't return a call?
Posted by: Total Control Racist at December 07, 2018 05:15 PM (z2W2E)

--------------

Search your name as it would appear on the suit along with your city and state. If it is on the Court's docket, it should show up.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 07, 2018 05:20 PM (ffYR/)

97 She's Queen of the Bronx and that's where she'll stay.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 07, 2018 05:20 PM (kHwSu)

98 Mueller's anti semetic obviously

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 07, 2018 05:21 PM (bQtop)

99 Thanks will do

Posted by: Total Control Racist at December 07, 2018 05:21 PM (z2W2E)

100 I can't stress enough that this is -really bad- for Mueller. Cohen and Manafort were considered vital flips. If rhey have been working with Mueller's office as moles for President Trump- and Mueller's double cross on their plea agreements sure points that way- that is the end. Mueller will be very lucky to escape charges of his own, even before Uranium One.

I am less optimistic in that the damage is done- with the House in Democratic control, the President will have to do far more to achieve total victory. He may have missed his chance. But- he has more than earned leeway from people who do not see the big picture. I trust him, though it is getting harder these days.

Posted by: trev006 at December 07, 2018 05:21 PM (qqEFK)

101 88
I keek Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed's ass!


Posted by: Cohen Cohen Cohen at December 07, 2018 05:19 PM (7A6l6)
This is why they develop me! Filthy Semite! Make your time!

Posted by: Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed at December 07, 2018 05:21 PM (37IEG)

102 97 She's Queen of the Bronx and that's where she'll stay.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 07, 2018 05:20 PM (kHwSu)

I thought that was Fran Dresher...

Posted by: Don Q at December 07, 2018 05:22 PM (NgKpN)

103 so his real crime is not admitting to crimes they demand him to?

so we are again at no due process or allowed a self defense?

I know one can get a reduced sentence for taking down one bigger than you, but isn't this about getting sentenced for Not helping them take Trump down?

Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:22 PM (2c0p7)

104 In the future, everyone will be a Cohen for fifteen minutes.

Let he who is without sin post "first" as a Cohen.

Posted by: Sporkatus Cohen at December 07, 2018 05:23 PM (HtLSE)

105 who made you King anyway?

Posted by: Dirty Peasent...



'e 'asn't got shit all over him.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 07, 2018 05:23 PM (fuK7c)

106 "Where does Hyman Roth fit into all of this?"

He's been dying of the same heart attack for 20 years.

Posted by: Boswell at December 07, 2018 05:23 PM (OjnQU)

107
Trombones do not womp.
Posted by: The Federal Reserve

But what if Pinochet threw a trombone out of his helicopter? Surely that trombone would be sad.
Posted by: zombie at December 07, 2018 05:17 PM (c+2jX)

First, if Pinochet threw it out of a helicopter it was a commie trombone, so there's that.

Second, the helicopter womped, (or "whomped" as us Americans might spell it), and the understandably sad, commie trombone waaah-wahhhed, all the way down to its eternal commie reward.

Posted by: The Federal Reserve at December 07, 2018 05:23 PM (zUD19)

108 "Cohen specifically declined to be debriefed on other uncharged criminal conduct, if any, in his past."

aka: a fishing expedition

Posted by: jd at December 07, 2018 05:23 PM (qjlOR)

109 Mueller started out looking for collusion...two years later, no one knows what the f**k he and his team are up to.

Posted by: IC at December 07, 2018 05:23 PM (a0IVu)

110 95 State or federal

+++

Local/state.bsuing a school district
Posted by: Total Control Racist at December 07, 2018 05:20 PM (z2W2E)

The clerk of courts for the relevant county or judicial district depending on how your courts are organized should have a website that includes a searchable index of cases. If not, you should be able to call them and see if it's been filed. Court filings are generally public records.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 07, 2018 05:23 PM (NWiLs)

111 Cohen is a dirt bag and deserves prison for lots of things, but let's be honest here, all of this was brought down on him because he was Trump's attorney. It was a scalp.

I just can't believe Trump let this farce go on. So many people in Trump's orbit are going to prison, bankrupt, careers ruined, etc when Trump could have simply told Sessions to step down and fired Mueller and ended it. Even his own son is in the crosshairs.

I'll never understand it and it sort of reminds of Bush letting Scooter Libby's life getting ruined, but Bush just let it go on because "public opinion" or some staffer convinced him voters would respect Bush letting the dirty process continue.

Posted by: Blago at December 07, 2018 05:23 PM (UfkIY)

112 Did someone say Due Process?

Posted by: Jim Acaustic at December 07, 2018 05:23 PM (37IEG)

113 She's Queen of the Bronx and that's where she'll stay.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 07, 2018 05:20 PM (kHwSu)

I was figuring she was going to be there for the next 40 years. Nope. She's too much. They're going to get the hook and drag her offstage....She'll get a book deal or something though...

Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2018 05:23 PM (NFEMn)

114 I know one can get a reduced sentence for taking down one bigger than you, but isn't this about getting sentenced for Not helping them take Trump down?

NO DEAL FOR YOU!

Posted by: Coup Nazi at December 07, 2018 05:24 PM (HtLSE)

115 Charlottesville driver guilty of 1st degree murder. Well.....

Posted by: Individual 29 at December 07, 2018 05:24 PM (KK990)

116 This is a big game to them - This is not about crimes, this is about who can twist the rules in their favor. The same with elections. The Dems see it as a game and all things are fair. This is why we need the 2nd. This is why we need limited government.
Posted by: Gentlemen,

And a paycheck, these 17 clown and associates are soaking the taxpayers; they would all have been fired from their various jobs by Trump.

Posted by: Jean at December 07, 2018 05:25 PM (sFO1P)

117 Remember, we shouldn't make fun of Alexandria Ojos Locos because she's going straight to the top!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 07, 2018 05:25 PM (+y/Ru)

118 I just can't believe Trump let this farce go on. So many people in Trump's orbit are going to prison, bankrupt, careers ruined, etc when Trump could have simply told Sessions to step down and fired Mueller and ended it. Even his own son is in the crosshairs.

I'll never understand it and it sort of reminds of Bush letting Scooter Libby's life getting ruined, but Bush just let it go on because "public opinion" or some staffer convinced him voters would respect Bush letting the dirty process continue.
Posted by: Blago at December 07, 2018 05:23 PM (UfkIY)

Not an n exact comparison with Bush/Libby.
He fires Mueller impeachment begins the next day...

Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2018 05:25 PM (NFEMn)

119 if you defend yourself you are guilty,
if you don't admit to crime you are also guilty

and do they say WHAT campaign finance act was criminal?
or is any Trumpsupport .

Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:25 PM (2c0p7)

120

Rag time, not blues.
My bad.

Posted by: Schuyler Saxon at December 07, 2018 05:25 PM (hrcfq)

121 I just can't believe Trump let this farce go on. So many people in Trump's orbit are going to prison, bankrupt, careers ruined, etc when Trump could have simply told Sessions to step down and fired Mueller and ended it. Even his own son is in the crosshairs.

I'll never understand it and it sort of reminds of Bush letting Scooter Libby's life getting ruined, but Bush just let it go on because "public opinion" or some staffer convinced him voters would respect Bush letting the dirty process continue.
Posted by: Blago at December 07, 2018 05:23 PM (UfkIY)

Yeah.

Whoever comes after Trump should not repeat this weakness.

Or Pinochet's.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 07, 2018 05:26 PM (bcbK8)

122 So, this is about him lying to Congress about when they killed the TOTALLY LEGAL Russia Hotel deal?


Posted by: Don Q at December 07, 2018 05:26 PM (NgKpN)

123 Charlottesville driver guilty of 1st degree murder. Well.....

-
He doesn't get fruit cup.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 07, 2018 05:26 PM (+y/Ru)

124 Not an n exact comparison with Bush/Libby.
He fires Mueller impeachment begins the next day...
Posted by: JoeF.

________________

That's always been a bluff.

Had impeachment been a real issue last term, I bet Republicans would have fared far better.

Posted by: Blago at December 07, 2018 05:27 PM (UfkIY)

125 If Cohen goes down, why doesn't the other power players lawyers go down?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 07, 2018 05:27 PM (bQtop)

126 Apparently acting director of the FBI whatsisname started an obstruction of justice investigation days before Mueller got the nod.

What this proves to CNN is that the FBI was really, really, really, concerned that Trump was a bad, bad, bad, man!

What this proves to normal people is the FBI was and is out of fucking control!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at December 07, 2018 05:27 PM (iM3ML)

127 She's Queen of the Bronx and that's where she'll stay.
Posted by: Braenyard at December 07, 2018 05:20 PM (kHwSu)

I was figuring she was going to be there for the next 40 years. Nope. She's too much. They're going to get the hook and drag her offstage....She'll get a book deal or something though...
Posted by: JoeF


Occasional Cortex? She'll be Ron Browned.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2018 05:27 PM (KUNWw)

128 Charlottesville driver guilty of 1st degree murder. Well.....

-
He doesn't get fruit cup.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 07, 2018 05:26 PM (+y/Ru)

How come the media isn't making more of this? I didn't even know the trial was ongoing.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2018 05:27 PM (NFEMn)

129 Hmmm.... aren't campaign finance laws only enforced by the Federal Election Commission?

That's what I was told when we wanted the Feds to investigate Foreign contributions to Obama's campaign via Credit Card.

Posted by: Don Q at December 07, 2018 05:27 PM (NgKpN)

130 So, what are the actual crimes Cohen's going down for?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles
---------

That's not how it works. First you identify the target, then you create the crime.

Posted by: Mueller, et al at December 07, 2018 05:27 PM (HTHlp)

131 He fires Mueller impeachment begins the next day...
Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2018 05:25 PM (NFEMn



this is what was threatened by OUR SIDE!

Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:28 PM (2c0p7)

132 123 Charlottesville driver guilty of 1st degree murder. Well.....

-
He doesn't get fruit cup.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 07, 2018 05:26 PM (+y/Ru)

He IS getting fucked.

Manslaughter, I could buy that. I'd argue against it given the circumstances, but I can see it.

Murder 1 is a political judgement. I don't care if the guy is literal Hitler, they're making him a political prisoner.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 07, 2018 05:28 PM (bcbK8)

133
He fires Mueller impeachment begins the next day...

Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2018 05:25 PM


Which is comparable to your girlfriend saying she's leaving when her car is out of gas, perched on four milk crates, with weeds growing out of the carburetor.

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex and Colonized by Patriarchy at December 07, 2018 05:28 PM (e7O7B)

134 "In the future, everyone will be a Cohen for fifteen minutes."

Well, they are an upper tribe, after all.

Posted by: Boswell at December 07, 2018 05:28 PM (OjnQU)

135 131 He fires Mueller impeachment begins the next day...
Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2018 05:25 PM (NFEMn

this is what was threatened by OUR SIDE!
Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:28 PM (2c0p7)

Well, by GOPe, not OUR side.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 07, 2018 05:28 PM (bcbK8)

136 That's not how it works. First you identify the target, then you create the crime.
Posted by: Mueller, et al at December 07, 2018 05:27 PM (HTHlp)

*sniffle* I'm so proud!

Posted by: Lavrentiy Beria at December 07, 2018 05:29 PM (NWiLs)

137 134 "In the future, everyone will be a Cohen for fifteen minutes."

Well, they are an upper tribe, after all.
Posted by: Boswell at December 07, 2018 05:28 PM (OjnQU)

Not Judean?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 07, 2018 05:29 PM (bcbK8)

138 Charlottesville driver guilty of 1st degree murder. Well.....

-
He doesn't get fruit cup.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks


That'll be appealed.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2018 05:29 PM (KUNWw)

139 So, this is about him lying to Congress about when they killed the TOTALLY LEGAL Russia Hotel deal?

Posted by: Don Q at December 07, 2018 05:26 PM (NgKpN)

----------------

Per PDTs twatter, there were inquiries into building in Russia, but never anything more than that. No deals to kill.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 07, 2018 05:29 PM (ffYR/)

140 'Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo' coming on TCM. That was the first (non-Golden) book that my dad bought for me. I suppose that I was about 7 years old at the time. Still have it.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 07, 2018 05:30 PM (HTHlp)

141 That's always been a bluff.

Had impeachment been a real issue last term, I bet Republicans would have fared far better.
Posted by: Blago at December 07, 2018 05:27 PM (UfkIY)

Maybe. But why risk it? The GOPe are a bunch of squishes who Trump can't depend on. And sometimes these things take on a life of their own.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2018 05:30 PM (NFEMn)

142 Mark, when you are right, you are right.

Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:30 PM (2c0p7)

143 135 131 He fires Mueller impeachment begins the next day...
Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2018 05:25 PM (NFEMn

this is what was threatened by OUR SIDE!
Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:28 PM (2c0p7)

Well, by GOPe, not OUR side.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 07, 2018 05:28 PM (bcbK

If you surrender to a threat... you may as well give up now.

Posted by: Don Q at December 07, 2018 05:30 PM (NgKpN)

144 122 So, this is about him lying to Congress about when they killed the TOTALLY LEGAL Russia Hotel deal?

Careful, James!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at December 07, 2018 05:30 PM (iM3ML)

145 I think trombones go
Waaaa Waaaaa Waaaaaaaaaas

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2018 05:31 PM (/rm4P)

146 PDT is correctly playing his cards close to the vest.
The longer this goes on the more citizens will realize how disgusting the Dems are.

NO not enough people are aware of the commie take over, if there were we would have kept the house.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 07, 2018 05:31 PM (kHwSu)

147 139 So, this is about him lying to Congress about when they killed the TOTALLY LEGAL Russia Hotel deal?

Posted by: Don Q at December 07, 2018 05:26 PM (NgKpN)

----------------

Per PDTs twatter, there were inquiries into building in Russia, but never anything more than that. No deals to kill.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 07, 2018 05:29 PM (ffYR/)

Key is that even if he had BUILT a damn hotel there, it would have been legal.

Posted by: Don Q at December 07, 2018 05:31 PM (NgKpN)

148 >>>Not an n exact comparison with Bush/Libby.
He fires Mueller impeachment begins the next day...


This.
I think he understands that this is not about right and wrong, it is about political power. Firing meuuuuler would hand political power to the dems, since they would use that as a bloody shirt.

No, best to weather it out.

Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at December 07, 2018 05:31 PM (LWu6U)

149 as I said Yesterday, They also raided Trumps atty in Chicago, last week.

Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:31 PM (2c0p7)

150

Is Lanny Davis the worst lawyer of the year?

He got Cohen to plead to a fucking non-crime with the Stormy Daniels payoff nonsense, with the hopes that cooperation with Mueller would get him a reduced sentence.
Yeah... how did that plan turn out?

Posted by: Serious Cat at December 07, 2018 05:31 PM (sKCK0)

151 OMG, now we know! It's Orange Man Bad Manchurian Candidate, Russian Style!

Posted by: Snidely Whiplash at December 07, 2018 05:32 PM (dVp8a)

152 Is Lanny Davis the worst lawyer of the year?

He got Cohen to plead to a fucking non-crime with the Stormy Daniels payoff nonsense, with the hopes that cooperation with Mueller would get him a reduced sentence.
Yeah... how did that plan turn out?
Posted by: Serious Cat at December 07, 2018 05:31 PM (sKCK0)

Lanny is a Clinton bag man, spokesman and hack.
Nothing more.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2018 05:32 PM (NFEMn)

153 Key is that even if he had BUILT a damn hotel there, it would have been legal.
Posted by: Don Q at December 07, 2018 05:31 PM (NgKpN)

---------------

Yep, agreed.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 07, 2018 05:32 PM (ffYR/)

154 150

Is Lanny Davis the worst lawyer of the year?

He got Cohen to plead to a fucking non-crime with the Stormy Daniels payoff nonsense, with the hopes that cooperation with Mueller would get him a reduced sentence.
Yeah... how did that plan turn out?
Posted by: Serious Cat at December 07, 2018 05:31 PM (sKCK0)

Isn't Lanny Davis a longtime Clinton operative? He shouldn't have been anywhere near Cohen.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 07, 2018 05:32 PM (NWiLs)

155 149 as I said Yesterday, They also raided Trumps atty in Chicago, last week.
Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:31 PM (2c0p7)

wow... really?

Posted by: Don Q at December 07, 2018 05:33 PM (NgKpN)

156 >>>I think trombones go
Waaaa Waaaaa Waaaaaaaaaas

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2018 05:31 PM (/rm4P)


It's always 3s and tees and pees are percussive punctuations. Sad trombones are not percussive.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 07, 2018 05:33 PM (kHwSu)

157 139 Per PDTs twatter, there were inquiries into building in Russia, but never anything more than that. No deals to kill.

And the inquiries had been going on (and off and on) for about the last 30 years! That's what NPR said, the first time they reported the story, but for some reason not any more....

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at December 07, 2018 05:34 PM (iM3ML)

158 Not Judean?

Israelites - for what its worth. Kohen, I think is the way is comes down maternally.

Posted by: Boswell at December 07, 2018 05:34 PM (OjnQU)

159 Dobadobadobadobadobadodo

Posted by: Trombones playing In the Mood at December 07, 2018 05:34 PM (+y/Ru)

160 There was a question earlier today about Hitlers hatred of Communists ( and implicitly their hatred of Nazis )
I'll explain: its like the hatred between the Bloods and the Crips; there are differences between those two gangs, but the differences only matter if you're a Blood or a Crip. The Nazis and the Communists are two rival gangs of thugs going after the same loot - which is why they hate each other. The biggest difference is that the Nazis had snazzier outfits. Otherwise one leftist gang-o'-thugs might as well be the other. According to Germans who lived under both, there were no differences, they even had the same slogans.

Posted by: An Observation at December 07, 2018 05:34 PM (UQB5e)

161
That's not how it works. First you identify the target, then you create the crime.

Posted by: Mueller, et al at December 07, 2018 05:27 PM (HTHlp)



EX-cellent.

Posted by: Lavrentiy Beria at December 07, 2018 05:34 PM (oVJmc)

162 illegal building a hotel in Russia? So How many people have ties in Russia anyway from the petrol /gas/ 3k American companies are in Russia , are they illegally there?

selling uranium to Russia. that's ok.

Because friend or foe?

Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:35 PM (2c0p7)

163 Don, yes an alderman named Burke offices

Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:36 PM (2c0p7)

164 What day is it, Piglet?

Posted by: Pooh at December 07, 2018 05:36 PM (QLvwG)

165 If Cohen goes down, why doesn't the other power players lawyers go down? <<<<<<<<
Because this is not about crime and justice. Its about power.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 07, 2018 05:36 PM (r+sAi)

166
You see this?

I can't get over this act of pure EVIL.

This happened 2 days ago. Some lowlife punk just pushes a man walking by into oncoming traffic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyeY-NWuSPQ


Yes, the punk villain got away with it.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at December 07, 2018 05:36 PM (TNe4W)

167 Is Lanny Davis the worst lawyer of the year?

-
Dude.

Posted by: Creepy Porn Lawyer at December 07, 2018 05:36 PM (+y/Ru)

168
So when do we get the transcript of James Coburn's testimony?

Posted by: Mark1971 at December 07, 2018 05:15 PM (xPl2J)



We'll be in like Flint when we do

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 07, 2018 05:37 PM (SiINZ)

169

aw hell!
Bob Ross - The Joy of Painting - Full episodes on youtube - 403 videos. bookmarked for the art class.

Posted by: Schuyler Saxon at December 07, 2018 05:37 PM (hrcfq)

170 >>130 So, what are the actual crimes Cohen's going down for?

Apparently, when asked about the crimes he didn't commit, he gave different explanations at different times.

Also known as: The interrogations will continue until a crime occurs.

Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at December 07, 2018 05:37 PM (LWu6U)

171 A republican would always choose Lanny Davis for a lawyer, and James Carville to help out just in case

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 07, 2018 05:37 PM (bQtop)

172 Maybe. But why risk it? The GOPe are a bunch of squishes who Trump can't depend on. And sometimes these things take on a life of their own.
Posted by: JoeF.

______________

I think the "risk" is people will simply make shit up if it gets them out of trouble.

Also, I do think this long drawn out process has taken a political toll on Trump. At least Trump seems to think so, he's tweeted that point quite a bit.

Would have been best like a bandaid and just ripped it off quick. Once Seesions recused himself, he should have just reshuffled his staff and fired mueler

Posted by: Blago at December 07, 2018 05:38 PM (UfkIY)

173 I'll explain: its like the hatred between the Bloods and the Crips; there are differences between those two gangs, but the differences only matter if you're a Blood or a Crip. The Nazis and the Communists are two rival gangs of thugs going after the same loot - which is why they hate each other. The biggest difference is that the Nazis had snazzier outfits. Otherwise one leftist gang-o'-thugs might as well be the other. According to Germans who lived under both, there were no differences, they even had the same slogans.
Posted by: An Observation at December 07, 2018 05:34 PM (UQB5e)

Big difference is that under the Nazis, as long as you weren't an "undesirable"--or a political opponent-- you were allowed to live pretty much unmolested.
The Communists treated even their "supporters" like shit.
The Nazis didn't "engineer" famines.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2018 05:38 PM (NFEMn)

174 It's about intimidation of anyone associated with Trump.

I'm sure that affects nothing .

Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:38 PM (2c0p7)

175 The whole Mueller investigation is projection of Hillary crimes onto Trump, always has been.

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2018 05:39 PM (/rm4P)

176 It seems like in the end, PDT let them Kabuki him to political death.

Mueller should have been fired ages ago.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 07, 2018 05:39 PM (pgXNG)

177
Any person who knowingly climbed into bed with Lanny Davis deserves every inch of b_tt fvcking he gets.

Sorry, no sympathy whatsoever. He was expecting Lucy to hold the ball, despite the 1,000 times before when she pulled the ball away at the last second.

I don't suffer fools.

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex and Colonized by Patriarchy at December 07, 2018 05:39 PM (e7O7B)

178 as I said Yesterday, They also raided Trumps atty in Chicago, last week.

Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:31 PM (2c0p7)



They raided Ald. Ed Burke's office. He's been an alderman since 1969 and a big player in Chicago politics. He's as dirty and corrupt as they come. His wife is a state supreme court justice. I believe his law firm worked with Trump on a hotel deal years ago and the MFM calls him Trump's attorney.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 07, 2018 05:39 PM (SiINZ)

179 >>>this is about him lying to Congress about when they killed the TOTALLY LEGAL Russia Hotel deal?

Which Hotel Deal?
You make it sound like there could have been only one.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 07, 2018 05:40 PM (1g7ch)

180 >>Also, I do think this long drawn out process has taken a political toll on Trump. At least Trump seems to think so, he's tweeted that point quite a bit.

>>Would have been best like a bandaid and just ripped it off quick. Once Seesions recused himself, he should have just reshuffled his staff and fired mueler


And you don't think that would have taken a toll on his political standing? We would have endless media reports accusing Trump of covering up crimes for the rest of eternity.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2018 05:40 PM (/tuJf)

181 Should have let Hudson grease Burke when he wanted to.

Posted by: Ripley at December 07, 2018 05:41 PM (QLvwG)

182 The Quiet Man, hmm, I had read he worked with him in 2015

Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:41 PM (2c0p7)

183 he whole Mueller investigation is projection of Hillary crimes onto Trump, always has been.
Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2018 05:39 PM (/rm4P)

This is a good description.

The more I think about it , the more I loathe Hillary.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 07, 2018 05:41 PM (NFEMn)

184 property taxing

Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:41 PM (2c0p7)

185 iirc Trump had tweeted that he wanted Cohen to be ... punished, maybe jailed, I forget exactly. It was a little nuanced, but I think he mentioned the fact that Cohen was secretly recording him.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 07, 2018 05:41 PM (Cus5s)

186 Nazi socialism was everyone works for the state, rich, poor, upper class, everyone is in it for the state.

Soviet Communism was class struggle, the poor were kept under the thumb of nobility and the rich class so should be taken down and destroyed.

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2018 05:42 PM (/rm4P)

187 womp womp is what I'm gonna do to Insom if yall get him over here.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 07, 2018 05:42 PM (d7Ww2)

188 Barr never would have accepted the AG position, if he thought Trump, Don Jr, or Kushner were in any real danger. I know some will say Barr is a deep state plant, but from what I hear from Legal Friends, is that Barr is coming in because Mueller is wrapping up

Posted by: Jonah at December 07, 2018 05:43 PM (HrSJb)

189 couldn't happen to a more deserving rodent.

he gives ambulance chasers a bad name.

Posted by: jakee308 at December 07, 2018 05:43 PM (wd9fW)

190 Is this it? Is this clown show over now?

Posted by: eleven at December 07, 2018 05:43 PM (NLLmE)

191 Prosecuted by Clinton cronies, defended by a Clinton crony.

I think Cohen's been forced to go along for a ride, and it doesn't look good as to who's running it.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 07, 2018 05:43 PM (oVJmc)

192 I'm going to get sad tromboned? Not sure how I feel about that.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 07, 2018 05:44 PM (NWiLs)

193 >>>property taxing

Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:41 PM (2c0p7)


Gramps said, I paid for my children's schooling your father should pay for yours.

Posted by: Wee Laddie at December 07, 2018 05:44 PM (kHwSu)

194 Murder 1 is a political judgement. I don't care if the guy is literal Hitler, they're making him a political prisoner.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 07, 2018 05:28 PM (bcbK

But of course.

If you are arrested on a bullshit charge, and those days are coming for quite a few of us, fight back. You will die in prison otherwise, they're certainly not going to give you a fair trial or non-savage living conditions.

Posted by: trev006 at December 07, 2018 05:44 PM (qqEFK)

195 187 womp womp is what I'm gonna do to Insom if yall get him over here.
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 07, 2018 05:42 PM (d7Ww2)



Smack his ass and call him Shirley!

Posted by: eleven at December 07, 2018 05:44 PM (NLLmE)

196 178. Ed Burke runs a $100 million workers comp fund for the city of Chicago. He is the only one who can write checks on it. That is why he is busted. Nothing to do with Trump

Posted by: Jonah at December 07, 2018 05:44 PM (HrSJb)

197
It seems like in the end, PDT let them Kabuki him to political death.
Mueller should have been fired ages ago.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 07, 2018 05:39 PM (pgXNG)


PDT's approval rating is higher now than when Mueller was appointed.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 07, 2018 05:44 PM (TAmPV)

198 And you don't think that would have taken a toll on his political standing? We would have endless media reports accusing Trump of covering up crimes for the rest of eternity.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2018 05:40 PM (/tuJf)

My home page is MSN... every morning there are at 3-5 Anti Trump articles.... every morning.

No pro Trump.

Of course this is having an impact on the Electorate.

Posted by: Don Q at December 07, 2018 05:45 PM (NgKpN)

199 We now have hundreds of elected representatives in DC who are totally invested in destroying Trump, and many of them because it is the only way they think their own crimes can continue to be hidden.

Think about it: with what they KNOW that Trump knows, they dare not stop! I see two outcomes: the destruction of the Democrat Party, or...
the destruction of America as we know it. Do not kid yourself about which choice 100% of Dems will pick!

Somebody tell me if I am exaggerating, because I do not think I said anything that is not strictly true here.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at December 07, 2018 05:45 PM (iM3ML)

200 eleven, we've already been warned, civility will resume when Dems get the whole pie.

believe that ?

Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:45 PM (2c0p7)

201
womp womp is what I'm gonna do to Insom if yall get him over here.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 07, 2018 05:42 PM


Why am I suddenly picturing Banana Splits Guy in a revenge pron scenario?

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex and Colonized by Patriarchy at December 07, 2018 05:45 PM (e7O7B)

202 This sentencing doc is weak tea with regards to Russia, Russia, Russia! - it seems to just basically say the defendant is a bastard, provided some minimal assistance even though we wouldn't actually go so far as to want to be lenient on the sentencing for it, and we might have got a few nuggets from him that were, well, meh...ZZZZZ

Posted by: Boswell at December 07, 2018 05:45 PM (OjnQU)

203 FREE BIRD ..is that a thing in Was-hing-tone? I thought they were all jailbirds on the lam!

Posted by: saf at December 07, 2018 05:45 PM (5IHGB)

204
Dershowitz - Nov 29th
foxnews

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y9qhyvy6

Mueller 'creating' crimes according to Dershowitz.

Posted by: Schuyler Saxon at December 07, 2018 05:45 PM (hrcfq)

205 Smack his ass and call him Shirley!
Posted by: eleven at December 07, 2018 05:44 PM (NLLmE)

Did you just impugn my gender?

Posted by: Insomniac at December 07, 2018 05:46 PM (NWiLs)

206 You'll know how you feel when it happens.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 07, 2018 05:46 PM (kHwSu)

207 Greece is going full France.

https://bit.ly/2Qj3QYc

They're having a riot because 10 years ago there was a questionable police shooting.

Posted by: Creepy Porn Lawyer at December 07, 2018 05:46 PM (+y/Ru)

208 Mueller was simple. Revenge for Comey, and to make cover for Obama DOJ and FBI. They used it to get stupid suburban women to vote DEM for the House..

Posted by: Jonah at December 07, 2018 05:46 PM (HrSJb)

209 Nurse, he is a little shy, start softly , maybe fur handcuffs ease him into the scary stuff.

Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:47 PM (2c0p7)

210 eleven, we've already been warned, civility will resume when Dems get the whole pie.

believe that ?
Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:45 PM (2c0p7)


If all of us were cold and stiff, Dems would eat their own. It's all they know.

Posted by: hogmartin at December 07, 2018 05:47 PM (t+qrx)

211 Sounds like Fitzmas all over again.

What, you don't remember the left pissing themselves with joy about the impending Patrick Fitzgerald indictments and impeachment of President Bush in 2005?

Posted by: wooga at December 07, 2018 05:47 PM (3I7wr)

212 164 What day is it, Piglet?

Posted by: Pooh


same as every other day, pooh: the day we try to take over the world.

Posted by: Piglet at December 07, 2018 05:47 PM (xGZ+b)

213 199. But their kryptonite will be Trump Fed Judges.

Posted by: Jonah at December 07, 2018 05:48 PM (HrSJb)

214 And you don't think that would have taken a toll on
his political standing? We would have endless media reports accusing
Trump of covering up crimes for the rest of eternity.



Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2018 05:40 PM (/tuJf)

And that would be different from what we have now?

They're dragging their feet for a reason. There's a chance they can come up with something. There's the fact now that the House will be controlled by Dems for 2 years and that will slow up any uncovering of the cabal in the DOJ/FBI.

They've provided enough bullshit for the Media to completely black wash any good Trump has done.

It's disgusting and the next President Democrat or not will be paying a price for that.

Posted by: jakee308 at December 07, 2018 05:48 PM (wd9fW)

215 >>My home page is MSN... every morning there are at 3-5 Anti Trump articles.... every morning.

>>No pro Trump.

>>Of course this is having an impact on the Electorate.

And you think that there would have been more positive articles had Trump fired Mueller right out of the gate?

The media hates Trump. They would right a negative article if he single handedly saved a sinking ship full of nuns and puppies.

In a few weeks this will be over and there will be no charges against Trump. He can spend the next two years running on a corrupt witch hunt and the media will look like even bigger liars and clowns than they already do.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2018 05:48 PM (/tuJf)

216 hogmartin, I agree.

Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:48 PM (2c0p7)

217 200 eleven, we've already been warned, civility will resume when Dems get the whole pie.

believe that ?
Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:45 PM (2c0p7)



I've forgotten what civility even looks like.

Posted by: eleven at December 07, 2018 05:49 PM (NLLmE)

218 209 Nurse, he is a little shy, start softly , maybe fur handcuffs ease him into the scary stuff.
Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:47 PM (2c0p7)

The gimp suit is right out.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 07, 2018 05:49 PM (NWiLs)

219 Carter funeral will be next, elephants and peanuts. Clinton funeral will have cigars
Bush will out live Trump
Trump will have the best looking first lady

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 07, 2018 05:49 PM (bQtop)

220 write

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2018 05:49 PM (/tuJf)

221 200 eleven, we've already been warned, civility will resume when Dems get the whole pie.

believe that ?
Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:45 PM (2c0p7)

Civility will return when the Democrats get to Guillotine people in the Public Square.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 07, 2018 05:49 PM (pgXNG)

222 Mueller was simple. Revenge for Comey, and to make cover for Obama DOJ and FBI. They used it to get stupid suburban women to vote DEM for the House..
Posted by: Jonah at December 07, 2018 05:46 PM (HrSJb)

Actually, I think Cohen was personal for Mueller.

Turns out he wanted to prosecute him when he was in the FBI, but couldn't get the DOJ to go along with it.

But now, he has the power... sooooo...

Posted by: Don Q at December 07, 2018 05:49 PM (NgKpN)

223 At some point though, Trump is going to have to stop it, I think Mueller will dig for 4 or 8 years.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 07, 2018 05:49 PM (r+sAi)

224 I use to think that Sessions being blackmailed was paronia. but I believe it now

Posted by: Jonah at December 07, 2018 05:50 PM (HrSJb)

225 Quick. Someone quote me that were this true, what law was broken by Trump.

Posted by: Sponge at December 07, 2018 05:50 PM (Zz0t1)

226 215 In a few weeks this will be over and there will be no charges against Trump.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2018 05:48 PM (/tuJf)

Not if Adam Schiff has anything to say about it.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 07, 2018 05:50 PM (pgXNG)

227 Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2018 05:48 PM (/tuJf)

I don't think it matters what Trump does.

He is going to get negative press no matter what.

So, may as well get pull that thorn.

Posted by: Don Q at December 07, 2018 05:50 PM (NgKpN)

228 223. No. Barr would not have accepted AG post if that were true. Mueller knows he would have a tight leash

Posted by: Jonah at December 07, 2018 05:51 PM (HrSJb)

229 How about some sad accordion?
Squeeze it, Flaco.


https://tinyurl.com/y7gry9hm

Posted by: wth at December 07, 2018 05:51 PM (HgMAr)

230 Hikaru, I wouldn't really be surprised .

Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:51 PM (2c0p7)

231 Did you just impugn my gender?
Posted by: Insomniac at December 07, 2018 05:46 PM (NWiLs)



No!

Maybe.

Posted by: eleven at December 07, 2018 05:51 PM (NLLmE)

232 "whole Mueller investigation is projection of Hillary crimes onto Trump, always has been."Posted by: Skip

yeah, but it was with malice aforethought ... they had to send six fake Russian spies into Trump camp, to try to establish their false evidence of Trump/Russia collusion.

And it was not just projecting ... it was to protect Hilalry .. and Podesta, Comey, Mueller, Rosenstein ... the whole gang was in on it ... many of them for decades, it seems.


Projection sounds too much like just mental denial, this was planned sabotage, espionage, sedition, bribery, treason ... and a kitchen sink charge for good measure.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 07, 2018 05:51 PM (Cus5s)

233 eleven, we've already been warned, civility will resume when Dems get the whole pie.

believe that ?
Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:45 PM (2c0p7)

Civility will return when the Democrats get to Guillotine people in the Public Square.
Posted by: Hikaru at December 07, 2018 05:49 PM (pgXNG)

We all know where things will go from there.

Posted by: Robespierre at December 07, 2018 05:52 PM (tYPH9)

234 174 It's about intimidation of anyone associated with Trump.

I'm sure that affects nothing .

Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:38 PM (2c0p7)
-------------

It's also about letting people know that if you're not in the politics club, you're not only not welcome but you'll also be hounded from every conceivable direction.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 07, 2018 05:52 PM (qC1Sy)

235 Come on, live a little!

take a chance on me

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 07, 2018 05:52 PM (d7Ww2)

236 129
Hmmm.... aren't campaign finance laws only enforced by the Federal Election Commission?



That's what I was told when we wanted the Feds to investigate Foreign contributions to Obama's campaign via Credit Card.

Posted by: Don Q at December 07, 2018 05:27 PM (NgKpN)[i/]They were unable to get approval from the NYT or CNN to start an investigation.

Posted by: elliot at December 07, 2018 05:52 PM (1PAtI)

237 well I suppose the their personal made up Law that they retain and keep power, and when that fails.

well this is what we get for not bowing low to their choices for us.

Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:52 PM (2c0p7)

238 224 I use to think that Sessions being blackmailed was paronia. but I believe it now
Posted by: Jonah at December 07, 2018 05:50 PM (HrSJb)

I don't think he was threatened.

I think he realized that if all this stuff really gets investigated and out to the public...

The whole house of Cards might fall.

There are a LOT of GOP types complicit in what has gone on.

Posted by: Don Q at December 07, 2018 05:52 PM (NgKpN)

239 227. Don, problem is the GOPe quislings in the Senate. 20 pubbies needed for impeachment. He fires Mueller, would 20 of them stab trump in the back.

Trump would never go quietly like Nixon

Posted by: Jonah at December 07, 2018 05:53 PM (HrSJb)

240 Better sad trombone than a rusty one.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 07, 2018 05:53 PM (oVJmc)

241
I would hope that a COB that saw someone representing themselves from one part of the country while the IP address showed something else, would step in.

I used to 'run' IP addresses all the time. Simple stuff.

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex and Colonized by Patriarchy at December 07, 2018 05:53 PM (e7O7B)

242 230 Hikaru, I wouldn't really be surprised .
Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:51 PM (2c0p7)

At this point, I'd be more surprised if the Left does NOT start getting away with open murder for political reasons.

And I don't just mean illegal immigrants and Muslims.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 07, 2018 05:53 PM (pgXNG)

243 the last time a Cohen cooperated with a Mewler, Cohen got turned into soap.

He should have known better

Posted by: Avi at December 07, 2018 05:53 PM (kSq2k)

244 @150

Lanny Davis is a Clinton World button man.

He probably made Cohen an offer he couldn't refuse...

ala you do this thing we tell you to do or your a dead man within a week.

Say, has anybody ever found out why, out of the blue, they moved Whitey Bulger from supermax to a minimum security jail and put him in gen. pop?

Weird huh!!!

Posted by: Kreplach at December 07, 2018 05:53 PM (qxq6t)

245 Blake, yep, we chose wrongly and everyone will pay.

Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:53 PM (2c0p7)

246 Barr never would have accepted the AG position, if he thought Trump, Don Jr, or Kushner were in any real danger. I know some will say Barr is a deep state plant, but from what I hear from Legal Friends, is that Barr is coming in because Mueller is wrapping up
Posted by: Jonah at December 07, 2018 05:43 PM (HrSJb)


Maybe. But I heard a radio interview last week with Joe DeGinova that hinted Trump has come to the realization that he needs an AG asap and that it would be someone who would strike fear into the jackasses at FBI.. that he was coming to clean house. DeGinova hinted that the guy he had heard about was someone that already had been an AG... and now we learn its Barr.

I also saw on Twitter today that Mueller is only getting started with an investigation into mishandling classified materials (Jared K.).

Posted by: Serious Cat at December 07, 2018 05:54 PM (sKCK0)

247 238. Very interesting . Like sex settlement fund, that Paul Ryan will not release

Posted by: Jonah at December 07, 2018 05:54 PM (HrSJb)

248 235 Come on, live a little!

take a chance on me
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 07, 2018 05:52 PM (d7Ww2)

Gonna do my very best
And it ain't no lie

Posted by: Insomniac at December 07, 2018 05:54 PM (NWiLs)

249 write

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2018 05:49 PM


You're not the boss of me.

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex and Colonized by Patriarchy at December 07, 2018 05:54 PM (e7O7B)

250
Not if Adam Schiff has anything to say about it.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 07, 2018 05:50 PM (pgXNG)


Good. House democrats will end up looking as incompetent with their toothless investigations as republicans did during the Obama administration

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 07, 2018 05:54 PM (TAmPV)

251 I'm pretty convinced the Democrat house is going all in on any crime they can think of against President Trump.

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2018 05:55 PM (/rm4P)

252 Schiff needs go back to 2011. when the GOP took back the House. they wanted blood too. Schiff means squat without the senate

Posted by: Jonah at December 07, 2018 05:55 PM (HrSJb)

253 Hikaru, we've already seen a trend where depending on the moment, some peoples crimes are hidden, and some crimes are made up or exaggerated to punish the 'right perp.'

Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:55 PM (2c0p7)

254 @250
Unlike the GOP, the Donks will have the MSM cheering them on and amplifying everything to 11 while beating the drums of war....

Shit's about to get real in a couple of weeks.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 07, 2018 05:56 PM (qxq6t)

255 sad tuba

Posted by: wth at December 07, 2018 05:56 PM (HgMAr)

256 255 sad tuba
Posted by: wth at December 07, 2018 05:56 PM (HgMAr)

BWOMP BWOMP

Posted by: Insomniac at December 07, 2018 05:56 PM (NWiLs)

257 246. Cat, your key word there is twitter. Twitter is all hype

Posted by: Jonah at December 07, 2018 05:56 PM (HrSJb)

258 Jac, you believe a few more weeks/

wouldn't that be something, I pray for that.

of course i'm pretty certain , the left will go insane times a gazillion, if true.

Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:56 PM (2c0p7)

259 Grim Souzaphone.

Posted by: eleven at December 07, 2018 05:56 PM (NLLmE)

260 >>Not if Adam Schiff has anything to say about it.

Remember when Trump said the other day that if the Dems keep up the investigations he would release all the documents?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2018 05:57 PM (/tuJf)

261 Melancholy oboe

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 07, 2018 05:57 PM (QLvwG)

262 Dire flugelhorn.

Posted by: hogmartin at December 07, 2018 05:58 PM (t+qrx)

263 New post.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 07, 2018 05:58 PM (NWiLs)

264 Dem House is toothless. you will all see soon enough

Posted by: Jonah at December 07, 2018 05:58 PM (HrSJb)

265 253 Hikaru, we've already seen a trend where depending on the moment, some peoples crimes are hidden, and some crimes are made up or exaggerated to punish the 'right perp.'
Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 05:55 PM (2c0p7)

They have to feel pretty encouraged that for now, they know they'll get away with it in any Blue City and its surrounding suburbs.

The entire legal and political apparatus in this country is dead.

Very soon, it's going to be Survival of The Most Brutal.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 07, 2018 05:58 PM (pgXNG)

266 252 Schiff needs go back to 2011. when the GOP took back the House. they wanted blood too. Schiff means squat without the senate
Posted by: Jonah at December 07, 2018 05:55 PM (HrSJb)

Its not about the Law, or Impeachment.

Its about using the power of the Government itself for POLITICAL investigations.

There is no law against Collusion. None. So what was Mueller's mission in the first place?

Because without some specific law being broken, its a POLITICAL investigation.

Posted by: Don Q at December 07, 2018 05:59 PM (NgKpN)

267 New post.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 07, 2018 05:58 PM (NWiLs)


That's not even a brass instrument.

Posted by: hogmartin at December 07, 2018 05:59 PM (t+qrx)

268 Is Lanny Davis the worst lawyer of the year?

He got Cohen to plead to a fucking non-crime with the Stormy Daniels payoff nonsense, with the hopes that cooperation with Mueller would get him a reduced sentence.
Yeah... how did that plan turn out?
Posted by: Serious Cat at December 07, 2018 05:31 PM (sKCK0)

Isn't Lanny Davis a longtime Clinton operative? He shouldn't have been anywhere near Cohen.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 07, 2018 05:32 PM (NWiLs)


Cohen is an unethical lowlife for having recorded conversations with his clients without them knowing it but hiring this incompetent ambulatory lice colony knee deep in the Clinton ooze is one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever heard of.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 07, 2018 05:59 PM (y7DUB)

269 Hikaru, I pray we are all wet.
but I do fear for the country hugely.

Posted by: willow at December 07, 2018 06:00 PM (2c0p7)

270 229 How about some sad accordion?
Squeeze it, Flaco.


https://tinyurl.com/y7gry9hm
Posted by: wth at December 07, 2018 05:51 PM (HgMAr)

All accordion is inherently sad.

Or maybe that's just accordion players....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 07, 2018 06:01 PM (bcbK8)

271 Gonna do my very best
And it ain't no lie
Posted by: Insomniac at December 07, 2018 05:54 PM (NWiLs)


Hasn't this already been decided and airline miles offered along with a GoFundMe page set up?

Posted by: Sponge at December 07, 2018 06:05 PM (Zz0t1)

272 INCOMING!!!
[slide-whistle tweeeeeeeee]
boom! boom! boom!

Posted by: brian williams at December 07, 2018 06:06 PM (Evws/)

273 Posted by: Kreplach at December 07, 2018 05:56 PM (qxq6t)
******
Take your meds

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 07, 2018 06:15 PM (BqBId)

274 Is Whitey Bulger's cell available in West Virginia?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 07, 2018 06:31 PM (VVKbg)

275 So Cohen "misled" prosecutors on something Donald Trump tweeted about doing (building a Trump tower in Russia)... that's the gist of all this?

Trump tweets about building a hotel in Russia.
Cohen works on details
Trump runs for president
Deal never happens

And they investigate collussion with no evidence any votes were changed or any money changed hands... and they come up with process charges on Cohen over a deal that never happened and was public knowledge before the campaign.

.... wtf.

Posted by: reality man at December 08, 2018 08:00 AM (7NSrk)

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