Gun Thread: All I Want for Christmas Pt. 2 [Weasel]

And who doesn't want Christmas to last a lifetime? Hmmmm? Commies and Liberals, that's who!

Last weekend we had some fun talking about BB guns, something many of us started out with as kids, and which several of you mentioned still having to this day. This week let's take a look at the next step on the gun ownership ladder which for many was a .22 caliber rifle. This is the time when the good lessons you learned in the backyard shooting BBs begin to pay off!

Santa delivering Guns!

At some point you probably put down your Daisy Red Ryder and started looking for something a little more powerful. Maybe a rifle to hunt squirrels or to shoot cans off or a fence rail. There are many possibilities with this great cartridge.

Pop some caps in asses for Christmas!

The 22LR cartridge was introduced by the J. Stevens Arms & Tool Company in 1887, as a hybrid of the 22 Long and 22 Extra Long cartridges, falling between the two at 1.0" overall length. Bullet weights vary from 20gr to 40gr with a wide range of velocities from subsonic to nearly 2,000fps, and with a maximum effective range of about 150 yards. The rimfire 22LR cartridge is extremely economical to produce and for this reason has become a favorite of shooters around the world. The same cartridge used in rifles is also wildly popular for handgun shooters. It's often the introductory choice for new shooters due the negligible recoil and is used for plinking, hunting, pest control, marksmanship training and competition at all levels. It is a truly versatile round, and is a great option for the young and old alike.

Savage 19 NRA Match c. 1920's

Here's an interesting rifle - the Savage Model 19 NRA Match. Designed to satisfy the demand from shooters trained on military bolt action rifles, the Model 19 was one of the first to capitalize on the civilian competitive shooting market. It's barrel and receiver are cut from a single block of steel and the apeture style rear sight is fully adjustable for windage and elevation. It's truly a competition rifle and is a lot of fun to shoot!! I have spent many an enjoyable afternoon plinking at a steel plate from 75 or 100 yards with this rifle and not worrying a bit about scores or group size or anything other than simply having a good time. It's also a great training rifle and some reports indicate several thousand were purchased by the military for basic marksmanship training purposes. In my opinion, these rifles are under appreciated in the collector's market and can sometimes be found for as little as a few hundered dollars.

remington ad 2 scaled.jpg

One for Dad, too!!

But what's a good choice today? If you're buying for a little Moron, something a little more in the "general purpose" category might make sense. Fortunately, many options exist and today's buyer will find offerings from nearly every major manufacturer; including Savage, Remingtom, Browning, Ruger and others. In fact, so many choices exist with regard to design and function, it probably helps to have a good idea of the most likely application before heading to the gun store.

Ruger 10/22

Here's a great choice - the semi-automatic Ruger 10/22. Available with an array of features, prices for this superb little rifle generally start around $250. This is a rifle that anyone would be happy to see under the tree! The examples I have seen are well made and are good shooters.

Do you have a .22 and do you shoot it often? How many of you have kept the rifle you had growing up? When was the last time you went shooting just for the fun of it? How about ammo? Do you have a favorite, what is it and why?

Here's a cool video from a couple of weeks ago on the manufacture of 22LR ammunition. Check it out! Cool Video: 22 Manufacturing Process

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Link-O-Rama
Shooting Sports USA Article: History of the Savage 19
Guns America Likes the Browning BL22
Guns America - Rimfires for Christmas
Article: Rifle for Christmas Tradition
CMP Bullseye Matches
NRA National Smallbore Championship
CMP Bullseye Pistol Matches
NRA Smallbore F-Class

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Reloading Bench

Can you reload 22LR ammunition? Why, yes - yes you can! Although it seems like a complete pain in the ass, it apparantly can be done if you're really out of other options or just have some time to kill.

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This Old Gun

Neon Madman bitch slaps us with knowledge!

This week's old gun is once again comes to us from our ol pal Neon Madman, after having read last week's BB gun thread, thought he'd share from his collection. Neon madman tells us:

This is my Daisy VL .22 caseless cartridge rifle, the first production rifle that used a caseless cartridge . Daisy manufactured it in 1968 and 1969, making about 23,000 units in three models. The cartridge is a .22 bullet with a chunk of solid propellant on the back, and is ignited by a jet of compressed hot air. It was an ingenious system, but between the gun control efforts in 1968 and the fact that Daisy wasn't licensed to produce firearms, the company dropped it. I purchased this from the hardware store where I worked at the time (197 for $39.95, and later found a brick of 1000 rounds of ammunition. It has been fired three times, and in the safe since then.

Now how cool is that? I'd never even heard of this type of gun. Thanks Neon Madman!!

***This Old Cookbook***

Greatest Cookbook Ever

OK you clowns - buy a copy of the cookbook. If you already have one for your own bad self, then give one as a gift this season. Remember; it's only pennies per day, all proceeds go to charity, and if you don't buy a copy then bluebell will be sad.

And you wouldn't like bluebell when she's sad.

Yes! I want to be a WeaselWarrior and prevent sadness in bluebell!!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:13 PM

Comments

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1 Ooh guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 09, 2018 07:10 PM (xJa6I)

2 Don't f*ck with Santa!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 09, 2018 07:11 PM (kQs4Y)

3 You'll shoot your eye out, kid!
Oh wait.. that WOULD be a lifetime!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 09, 2018 07:12 PM (438dO)

4 OMG!

A white terrorist!

Posted by: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez at December 09, 2018 07:14 PM (UsCnO)

5 As a kid, Dad would take us to the Southern Pacific freight yards in downtown LA to pick out Christmas trees. They came in boxcars and were packed in ice that stood at least a foot deep on the railcar floors. The trees would be dripping wet. They probably came down the SP Coast line from Oregon. And all this was open to the public.

We would climb in to the boxcars to look them over. He had a limit of $3 for a 10-12 ft Douglas fir. "They wanted five bucks! It's highway robbery, I tell ya!" We would strap the tree to the top of the red and white Pontiac Super Chief wagon and drive home.

Dad, I wouldn't have the heart to tell you what I just paid for a 12 ft tree today...

Posted by: Skookumchuk at December 09, 2018 07:14 PM (CeJUf)

6 22s are fun to shoot and as cheep as you can get for ammo, not a fan of relying on one for defense.

Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2018 07:15 PM (/rm4P)

7 I have a few .22's, like you do.

I just bought a SIG 250 in .22 but it hasn't arrived yet.

Apart from that, I have been practicing with my new Ruger 10/22 takedown. The rifle only works with Ruger mags, sadly, but it's super portable. It breaks down and fits in a yoga mat bag. Sufficiently accurate and very easy to clean.

.22 is a filthy, dirty girl and needs lots of regular cleaning unlike my 9mm pistols.

I kinda wish I'd bought a M&P 22. I can't justify another .22 rifle, though.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 09, 2018 07:15 PM (xJa6I)

8 Be sure to drink your Ovaltine.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 09, 2018 07:15 PM (DMUuz)

9 My mother bought me a Marlin Model 60 for Christmas when I was 13. Love that gun.

Posted by: Mark1971 at December 09, 2018 07:15 PM (xPl2J)

10 That little prairie dog thing on the box of .22 is starting to get suspicious. He's not sure exactly what, but something is definitely up.

Posted by: hogmartin at December 09, 2018 07:15 PM (t+qrx)

11 The santa-themed bullets are wonderful.

Also, the Remmington ad is downright triggering. A white man talking on the phone to another white man is bad enough, but he's ordering a gun! But only because he took a shine to one he bought for a *child.* I am sure a school shooting is right around the corner in that charnel house of a town!

My, how times have changed. A good gun is a great Christmas present. Always has been.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 09, 2018 07:15 PM (hYcqw)

12
Commies and Liberals

Nowadays there's no difference.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 09, 2018 07:15 PM (LsBY9)

13 I'm considering purchasing a Ruger AR-556.

Any of you folks gotta any input good or bad?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 09, 2018 07:16 PM (ctBVQ)

14 13 I'm considering purchasing a Ruger AR-556.

Any of you folks gotta any input good or bad?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 09, 2018 07:16 PM (ctBVQ)

Solid choice.

You'll be happy with it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 09, 2018 07:17 PM (xJa6I)

15
Commies and Liberals

Nowadays there's no difference.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 09, 2018 07:15 PM (LsBY9)
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You want to know something? I almost edited that sentence a little while ago!

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:17 PM (MVjcR)

16 Never owned a Remington.
I had a Marlin single shot 22lr.
Used to carry it slung on my back to high school marksmanship class.
Yes, I am old as dirt.
Now I like my Henry AR7.
It floats, so no canoe accidents.

Posted by: navybrat, obtuse by nature at December 09, 2018 07:18 PM (w7KSn)

17 Santa driving a car is going to have trouble getting to every house in a night, packing firearms or not.

Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2018 07:18 PM (/rm4P)

18 My first gun was a Ruger 10/22 bought in 1989 from the Naperville Service Merchandise for $129. I was still living at home and my gun-hating mother had a fit. I still have it.

And Mom now owns three guns herself. Progress!!!

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at December 09, 2018 07:19 PM (C1NyB)

19 I need a Fox AE. In 16 gauge.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at December 09, 2018 07:19 PM (CeJUf)

20 I got a Winchester for Christmas, still got it setting right here. Takes 22 WRF. Killed a lot of wood chucks with it. I wanted a Winchester, because loved westerns when I was a kid. Shell boxes say keep out of reach of children, I guess my dad didn't read that!

Posted by: Colin at December 09, 2018 07:19 PM (Hb0Ll)

21
Kid in the ad? Charles Whitman. You can be sure of it.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 09, 2018 07:19 PM (LsBY9)

22 My cookbooks should be arriving this coming week. I'm going to give one to the gals at the T-shirt shop since they get such a kick out of the Moron theme.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2018 07:20 PM (+w1IT)

23 I'm considering purchasing a Ruger AR-556.

Any of you folks gotta any input good or bad?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 09, 2018 07:16 PM

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Solid choice.

You'll be happy with it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 09, 2018 07:17 PM

Some good deals floating around out there on them.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 09, 2018 07:20 PM (DMUuz)

24 My cookbooks should be arriving this coming week. I'm going to give one to the gals at the T-shirt shop since they get such a kick out of the Moron theme.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2018 07:20 PM (+w1IT)

*starts humming Moron theme*

Posted by: hogmartin at December 09, 2018 07:21 PM (t+qrx)

25 those vintagebads ate great!

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at December 09, 2018 07:21 PM (XZ3Gp)

26 22 My cookbooks should be arriving this coming week. I'm going to give one to the gals at the T-shirt shop since they get such a kick out of the Moron theme.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2018 07:20 PM (+w1IT)
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Just got off the phone with WeaselMom and she's enjoying hers. It's not too late people! Order today!

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:21 PM (MVjcR)

27 Some good deals floating around out there on them.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 09, 2018 07:20 PM

.....

$499 at my local Rural King.

I bought $1000 worth of gift cards at my daughters 4-H fundraising auction for $600.

So it's really like paying $300 for it, in a way.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 09, 2018 07:23 PM (ctBVQ)

28
*starts humming Moron theme*

We need Wagnerian leitmotifs for everyone.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 09, 2018 07:23 PM (LsBY9)

29 My favorite 22 is a Winchester Model 61, manufactured in 1936 and still shoots straight. Everyone who shoots it loves it.

Posted by: BuckIV at December 09, 2018 07:24 PM (PZ2ib)

30 > This week let's take a look at the next step on the gun ownership ladder which for many was a .22 caliber rifle

Well well well. My first .22 lr rifle arrived yesterday!

It's a Rossi RS22 - just the same as Mossberg 702 but it has a better stock (sling mounts!).
I was just about to clean it before shooting it tomorrow but discovered that a shotgun cleaning rod is too fat][ to clear a .22 barrel. Imagine that!

Easy enough to get a .22 cleaning rod tomorrow.

I also got a Glock 17 and am eager to test that tomorrow!

Posted by: ArthurK at December 09, 2018 07:25 PM (Aqi5D)

31 Really enjoy the Henry lever .22, a real pleasure to shoot with.

Posted by: Daddyof2 at December 09, 2018 07:25 PM (y/Fc2)

32 Completely off topic but My wife is in DC and just sent me a picture of the White house. She also sent me pictures of protesters at the White house.

One has a stormtrooper mask and one is wearing footie pajamas.

Posted by: Picric at December 09, 2018 07:26 PM (nonGu)

33 29 My favorite 22 is a Winchester Model 61, manufactured in 1936 and still shoots straight. Everyone who shoots it loves it.
Posted by: BuckIV at December 09, 2018 07:24 PM (PZ2ib)
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Hi BuckIV - very nice! Do you like a particular ammo for it?

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:26 PM (MVjcR)

34 So it's really like paying $300 for it, in a way.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 09, 2018 07:23 PM

At least until you get the ACOG for it.

Posted by: Mr. Ed at December 09, 2018 07:26 PM (DMUuz)

35 It may not have the name "gravitas" of the Ruger 10/22, but my little Marlin 795 is just about perfect for me.

It is the same as their Model 60, except it has a detachable magazine and a composition stock (lighter weight). I have run many different brands of ammo through it, and not a single misfire yet. (knock on wood, er, composition plastic)

It is so doggone accurate that after I suck at hitting the target with other rifles and handguns, I pull it out and drive some nails, so I don't go away completely dejected.

A great example of American manufacturing. It's just a little .22, but I love it so.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 09, 2018 07:27 PM (UsCnO)

36 This Monday, every NJ gun owner more than likely becomes a felon.

Way to go NJ FSA!!!!

Posted by: Kreplach at December 09, 2018 07:28 PM (qxq6t)

37 I'd like to find out some more about that cookbook.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 09, 2018 07:28 PM (deEx0)

38 Shipped a cookbook off to #4 son yesterday for Christmas as he will not be able to get home. I spoke to his girl friend and she is getting him a pair of ostrich skin boots and a cowboy hat. I think he is taking to Fort Worth very well.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 09, 2018 07:28 PM (9rIkM)

39 30 > This week let's take a look at the next step on the gun ownership ladder which for many was a .22 caliber rifle

Posted by: ArthurK at December 09, 2018 07:25 PM (Aqi5D)
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Congratulations!
I just noticed I should have written "the next RUNG on the gun ownership ladder"

I have failed you all.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:28 PM (MVjcR)

40 How the ^*( do you fall in mud in Oakland???

Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2018 07:29 PM (FhXTo)

41 Reading through old comics I often see gun ads. Sigh. Different time, different country.

Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2018 07:29 PM (Izzlo)

42 At least until you get the ACOG for it.

Posted by: Mr. Ed at December 09, 2018 07:26 PM

....

But if I buy the rifle now, hints can be made to Santa Claus what might be a nice present....

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 09, 2018 07:29 PM (ctBVQ)

43 We need Wagnerian leitmotifs for everyone.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 09, 2018 07:23 PM (LsBY9)

This could be its own 500+ comment thread by itself.

Posted by: hogmartin at December 09, 2018 07:29 PM (t+qrx)

44
At least until you get the ACOG for it.
Posted by: Mr. Ed at December 09, 2018 07:26 PM (DMUuz)
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Nice optic. I have one on an AR that I like a lot.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:30 PM (MVjcR)

45 Never amazed at the draconian measures of the People's Republic of New Jersey

Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2018 07:30 PM (/rm4P)

46 37 I'd like to find out some more about that cookbook.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 09, 2018 07:28 PM (deEx0)
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So the subliminal messaging is working?

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:30 PM (MVjcR)

47 Tonypete, ask the kiddo if he would like to come to the next MoMe?

Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2018 07:31 PM (+w1IT)

48 The Holosun Acss is very good for the price

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 09, 2018 07:32 PM (xJa6I)

49 I have my grandfathers' falling block single shot .22 . Haven't used it for a long time. Don't remember the maker. Too lazy to look.

Posted by: Ronster at December 09, 2018 07:32 PM (fsIXr)

50 I spoke to his girl friend and she is getting him a pair of ostrich skin boots and a cowboy hat. I think he is taking to Fort Worth very well.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 09, 2018 07:28 PM

Recommend a Cattleman crease for Ft. Worth, if she isn't already there.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 09, 2018 07:33 PM (DMUuz)

51 Huh. Pixy ate my nic.

My first.22 was a Remington Nylon 66. My cousin had a 10/22. I was envious because the Ruger was obviously superior.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at December 09, 2018 07:33 PM (qc+VF)

52 46 37 I'd like to find out some more about that cookbook.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 09, 2018 07:28 PM (deEx0)
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So the subliminal messaging is working?
Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:30 PM (MVjcR)

BUY THE COOKBOOK!!!

The superliminal messaging works too

Posted by: josephistan at December 09, 2018 07:33 PM (Izzlo)

53 My Winchester is the 1890 model, I'm sure my dad picked it up used somewhere, but its in perfect shape. For a Christmas present I didn't care, as long as it looks good and shots. Right up there with the Lionel train set I got one Christmas. Mon said no shooting in the basement, but she let me shot my BB pistol in the living room....

Posted by: Colin at December 09, 2018 07:33 PM (Hb0Ll)

54 Commies and Liberals, that's who!

Point of order.

The AoSHQ Style Guide requires a "but I repeat myself" here.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 09, 2018 07:34 PM (GBF0l)

55 Posted by: Tonypete at December 09, 2018 07:28 PM (9rIkM)
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Thank You! I hope he likes it, and remember, all proceeds go to charity.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:34 PM (MVjcR)

56 46 37 I'd like to find out some more about that cookbook.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 09, 2018 07:28 PM (deEx0)
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So the subliminal messaging is working?
Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:30 PM (MVjcR)

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Seems to be. I had a sudden urge to either buy a cookbook or put on a kaffiyeh.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 09, 2018 07:34 PM (deEx0)

57 My Ted Williams Monkey Ward single shot bolt action .22 occupies a position of honor, uhh, somewhere in my safe (s). She now sports a huge scope that allows me to hit shit, well, targets, at 125 yds. When the light is right you can watch the bullet arc.
Sort of like a .45. Or a 155 mm.

Posted by: RI Red at December 09, 2018 07:35 PM (vcPDA)

58 Duncanthrax is a man of discerning taste on hat creases.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2018 07:35 PM (+w1IT)

59 I have four hunting rifles hidden in the garage. I don't think the gun grabbers would ever find them, I hope anyway.

Posted by: Colin at December 09, 2018 07:36 PM (Hb0Ll)

60
The AoSHQ Style Guide requires a "but I repeat myself" here.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 09, 2018 07:34 PM (GBF0l)
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I know! Not sure what happened to me this week. You all get your money back.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:36 PM (MVjcR)

61 Ok, so following the faulty thinking process of the Lefties, and the comment that a .22 is a "gateway", is it supposed to be beer or pot?

I have a tough time trying to figure out these worms.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 09, 2018 07:36 PM (UsCnO)

62 was doing some research for a friend of mine who, for some reason, wants a Desert Eagle.

for shits and giggles, i looked through their used gun offers, and found a "nearly new" Springfield M1A for $950.

yes, $950, and, by nearly new, they mean "essentially un-used", as it doesn't even have a primer ring on the bolt fact.

it will be home before Christmas.

my first gub, besides the Daisy that's still at my parents house was a Marlin Glenfield 22, that i still have. no idea why my parents bought it for me, as i have cheerfully forgotten most of the details of my less than wonderful childhood, but at least i have the gun.

gotta go do some shit outside whilst i still have light.

BIAB.

Posted by: redc1c4 at December 09, 2018 07:36 PM (YtJs4)

63 59 I have four hunting rifles hidden in the garage. I don't think the gun grabbers would ever find them, I hope anyway.
Posted by: Colin at December 09, 2018 07:36 PM (Hb0Ll)

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Really? Did you find a good spot?

Posted by: Bob at the NSA at December 09, 2018 07:37 PM (deEx0)

64 Anyway, yesterday's range visit told me what I was doing wrong with my 'low and right' groups.

Wasn't the gun(s). It was flinching.

Sigh. You'd THINK I'd be done with that shit after.... *mumbly* years shooting. But, nope!

Anyway, some dry fire drills got rid of the stank. Groups started centering.

I do shoot better with a modified Weaver stance, ala Jeff Cooper.

Good shooting day, overall.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 09, 2018 07:37 PM (xJa6I)

65 Posted by: redc1c4 at December 09, 2018 07:36 PM (YtJs4)
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I have a Desert Eagle in .50AE which will be featured here but first I want to get a video of it being fired. It's impressive.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:39 PM (MVjcR)

66 I know! Not sure what happened to me this week. You all get your money back.
Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:36 PM

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 09, 2018 07:39 PM (GBF0l)

67
Own a .22 and in a year you'll be shelling DC with a Pariser Kanone.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 09, 2018 07:39 PM (LsBY9)

68 The cartridge is a .22 bullet with a chunk of solid propellant on the back, and is ignited by a jet of compressed hot air.

Get it anywhere near a politician, and all the ammo cooks off! I can see why they had to stop production.

Storing that ammo does sound like an "interesting" thing to do. A little brass tube does provide much better climate control.

Posted by: mikeski at December 09, 2018 07:39 PM (P1f+c)

69 Does anyone else have an issue with the 10/22's weight, trying one again after getting used to ordinary-sized rifles and carbines? It feels like my breath and pulse are throwing it around because it's so light and it's hard to hold steady. I'm not big and don't have huge gorilla arms either. I end up holding it something like this:

http://tinyurl.com/ycgu8kt8

Posted by: hogmartin at December 09, 2018 07:39 PM (t+qrx)

70 59 I have four hunting rifles hidden in the garage. I don't think the gun grabbers would ever find them, I hope anyway.
Posted by: Colin at December 09, 2018 07:36 PM (Hb0Ll)

Metal detectors.

Sometimes a reinforced CMU house has uses other than hurricane resistance.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 09, 2018 07:40 PM (1g7ch)

71 66 I know! Not sure what happened to me this week. You all get your money back.
Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:36 PM

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 09, 2018 07:39 PM (GBF0l)
*fistbump*

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:41 PM (MVjcR)

72 So it comes to this.

The last rifle to purchase on my "list".

AR-180.

Howa or Sterling? Decisions, decisions. I pull the trigger on Tuesday. (no pun intended)

Oh, by the way, the Leader Dynamics T2 will be in production on American soil in the spring of 2019.

Renamed the American Leader T2. Nice.

St. George Arms is now taking deposits. Check them out.

Just when I think I am all done they pull me back in........

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 09, 2018 07:41 PM (Z+IKu)

73 Own a .22 and in a year you'll be shelling DC with a Pariser Kanone.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 09, 2018 07:39 PM (LsBY9)

Hadrian, I'm giving .22s to all of Virginia and Maryland this year.

Posted by: RI Red at December 09, 2018 07:41 PM (vcPDA)

74 Really? Did you find a good spot?

Posted by: Bob at the NSA at December 09, 2018 07:37 PM (deEx0)

When the gun grabbers come, I assume they will look around the house first. In the garage I have an overhead storage place with several old lawn chairs on top the the guns, all wrapped in blankets, and all in gun cases. I take them out and check them, and they are fine.

Posted by: Colin at December 09, 2018 07:42 PM (Hb0Ll)

75 fistbump*
Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:41 PM

Leftists can't be mocked hard enough.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 09, 2018 07:42 PM (GBF0l)

76 Thanks Weasel.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at December 09, 2018 07:43 PM (+6jVU)

77 My only .22LR is a sweet Henry H01 with large loop.

It's action is like oiled glass.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 09, 2018 07:43 PM (yQpMk)

78 Posted by: hogmartin at December 09, 2018 07:39 PM (t+qrx)
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If you ever have the chance, check out the Savage 19. I'm not sure of the weight, but it's very nicely balanced.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:43 PM (MVjcR)

79 76 Thanks Weasel.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at December 09, 2018 07:43 PM (+6jVU)
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I didn't do it!

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:44 PM (MVjcR)

80

Oh yeah! That CCI video about the manufacturing process for 22 ammo really brings back the memories for me. I started out as a tool-and-diemaker and learned how to make all the various tooling for stuff like that. Swaging, forming, capping, piercing, all that stuff. Wow.

A lot of those machines are original from the '50's.

The noise. The dirt. The danger and caution that you have to observe...glad to see those industries and the people are still around somewhere.

I need a cigarette now. BRB.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 09, 2018 07:45 PM (HaL55)

81 My first rifle, a Remington 572 ADL Fieldmaster. Bought it used for $35, circa 1973.

USAF and poverty in the Carter years, I had to sell it, and have regretted it ever since. But, it was sell or starve, so that was that.

My favorite .22 rifle now sits in my safe.

CZ 452 Lux. Bought in '04. It's insanely accurate, and with subsonic ammo out of it's 24 in. barrel, it's nearly as quiet as if it wore a suppressor.

If you find one for sale, buy it. They're that good.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 09, 2018 07:45 PM (QzJWU)

82 38>> If they discover Peter Brothers hats, you'll know they're well adjusted.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 09, 2018 07:45 PM (PA/U2)

83 69, hogmartin - the pursuit of lightness above all else is so that out of shape people who never hunt and seldom practice can feel good about themselves. In reality, you do need a certain amount of mass to keep things steady and to absorb the recoil. With the steadiness comes the accuracy.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at December 09, 2018 07:46 PM (CeJUf)

84
Posted by: Jim at December 09, 2018 07:45 PM (QzJWU)
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Howdy, Amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:46 PM (MVjcR)

85 Awesome thread as always Weasel. Thank you for putting it together for the bang lever loving Rons/Ettes.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 09, 2018 07:46 PM (ffYR/)

86 Tonypete, ask the kiddo if he would like to come to the next MoMe?
Posted by: Ben Had
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I'll suggest it but I'm not sure he is ready for 10-12 Morons and 'ettes just like his Dad all in one place. He can barely stomach going to the grocery with me 'cause "Jeebus Dad, they can hear you!!"

Cattleman's crease? Looked it up I did. That is some fine looking headgear!

Posted by: Tonypete at December 09, 2018 07:47 PM (9rIkM)

87 Jungle carbines, Field and Stream, $12.95, circa 1958. Memories.

Posted by: Jb at December 09, 2018 07:48 PM (jyBGy)

88 . In reality, you do need a certain amount of mass to keep things steady and to absorb the recoil. With the steadiness comes the accuracy.
Posted by: Skookumchuk at December 09, 2018 07:46 PM (CeJUf)
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^^^THIS^^^

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:48 PM (MVjcR)

89 Since I don't want bluebell to be sad, I just bought the cookbook for my son's birthday on the 18th. He'll be 25 and he likes to cook and, though he doesn't like to admit it, he's a Moron (the good kind).

Posted by: DR.WTF? at December 09, 2018 07:48 PM (T71PA)

90 Classic Firearms still has a nice deal for 22lr in stock:
https://tinyurl.com/ya4anowk (500)
https://tinyurl.com/ya33qcdo (5000)

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 09, 2018 07:49 PM (0ReGO)

91 I have the 10/22 takedown in stainless. Camo stock. Converted to peep sights. Sure helps my old eyes. Easy conversion to install too

Posted by: Boomer at December 09, 2018 07:49 PM (ucNdt)

92 I have several wonderful 22 rifles, and handguns, accumulated over the years. But sometimes I take a little single shot with the pull back knob to cock it. Might be an old Stevens from the 20s or 30s and it shows its age. It was a $15.00 pawn shop find. It might well have been a boy's rifle from before I was born. It is still light and quite accurate.

But a couple of boxes of ammo and taking my time will provide an afternoon of fun. It's also probably the best rifle teaching tools ever made

Posted by: JTB at December 09, 2018 07:49 PM (bmdz3)

93 Birds are done for the year

Posted by: Skip at December 09, 2018 07:49 PM (/rm4P)

94 > 62 found a "nearly new" Springfield M1A for $950.

yes, $950, and, by nearly new, they mean "essentially un-used", as it doesn't even have a primer ring on the bolt fact.

it will be home before Christmas.

redc1c4
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Duuuuude!

Posted by: ArthurK at December 09, 2018 07:50 PM (Aqi5D)

95 Sad story: I've been back on my "organic tree farm" for 6 weeks and I have shot exactly zero times.
Ok, too cold, too much snow, too little testosterone ...
Anyway, my next project is to take my "long range" rifle out to the range and shoot it once at a long range target. And keep a diary.
Weasel, have you ever shot long with a cold rifle?

Posted by: RI Red at December 09, 2018 07:50 PM (vcPDA)

96 It's action is like oiled glass.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 09, 2018 07:43 PM

I have a 7.65mm 1909 Argentine Mauser that I describe like that. Smooth as greased glass.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 09, 2018 07:50 PM (GBF0l)

97 Tonypete, it's more like 40

Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2018 07:51 PM (+w1IT)

98 85 Awesome thread as always Weasel. Thank you for putting it together for the bang lever loving Rons/Ettes.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 09, 2018 07:46 PM (ffYR/)
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Well it's absolutely my pleasure. I'm really happy you all are enjoying it. Every week when I'm writing it, I think "this is stupid as shit"

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:51 PM (MVjcR)

99 69 Does anyone else have an issue with the 10/22's weight, trying one again after getting used to ordinary-sized rifles and carbines? It feels like my breath and pulse are throwing it around because it's so light and it's hard to hold steady. I'm not big and don't have huge gorilla arms either. I end up holding it something like this:

http://tinyurl.com/ycgu8kt8
Posted by: hogmartin at December 09, 2018 07:39 PM (t+qrx)

I'm mostly shooting standing offhand at the range with my 10/22.

I brace my elbow against my torso. But I'm not getting/going for tiny groups. With my eyesight, I'm happy to get all 25 rounds on a head-sized target at 20 yards.

I should try to do better, I suppose.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 09, 2018 07:52 PM (xJa6I)

100 I don't own a .22 - my first rifle was a .50 muzzleloader, and my first centerfire a .303 - but I sure wouldn't mind one of those Savage 19s. I like the look, and weight, of those old military bolt-actions a lot more than the modern sporter style.

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 09, 2018 07:52 PM (bZ7mE)

101 I have two Heritage Rough Rider S/A .22 revolvers, a Ruger SR-22 with suppressor, a Marlin 795 w/ Prostaff .22 RimFire scope and a Mossberg 715T (AR styled .22) with a bunch of gun pron (laser, light, etc.) for "fun."

The SR-22 is surprisingly accurate, without the suppressor. The Marlin, when dialed in, is nice.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 09, 2018 07:52 PM (Mq+LB)

102 Tonypete, it's more like 40

Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2018 07:51 PM (+w1IT)

BH: That was the count for this year. I think you're low-balling the number for the 2019 event

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at December 09, 2018 07:52 PM (f3oO4)

103

Thanks Weasel.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 09, 2018 07:53 PM (HaL55)

104 I didn't do it!

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:44 PM (MVjcR)

Lol. Too bad. Blaming you anyway.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at December 09, 2018 07:53 PM (+6jVU)

105 Greetings:

I got my Remington 500 (I think) in 1960, for my 12th Christmas. It was semi-automatic and tube-fed with a very long tube taking 22LRs in the teens.
Shooting crows for the corn-farmer across the creek taught me how to shoot multiple targets (quickly and calmly) which came in handy during my all-expense-paid tour of somewhat sunny Southeast Asia.

Posted by: 11B40 at December 09, 2018 07:54 PM (evgyj)

106 98
85 Awesome thread as always Weasel. Thank you for putting it together for the bang lever loving Rons/Ettes.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 09, 2018 07:46 PM (ffYR/)

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Well it's absolutely my pleasure. I'm really happy you all are
enjoying it. Every week when I'm writing it, I think "this is stupid as
shit"

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:51 PM (MVjcR)

Just the opposite! Most who have fired a gun have fired a .22. Your article is great!

Your first .22 is like your first kiss. Never to be forgotten.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 09, 2018 07:54 PM (UsCnO)

107 95 Sad story: I've been back on my "organic tree farm" for 6 weeks and I have shot exactly zero times.
Ok, too cold, too much snow, too little testosterone ...
Anyway, my next project is to take my "long range" rifle out to the range and shoot it once at a long range target. And keep a diary.
Weasel, have you ever shot long with a cold rifle?
Posted by: RI Red at December 09, 2018 07:50 PM (vcPDA)
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Sure. Not like North Pole cold, but plenty chilly. I always take a couple of fouling shots with a clean barrel, but unless it's crazy cold you should be fine. You may notice some difference with the denser air if you worked up the load during warmer weather, though. Have we talked about Density Altitude yet?

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:54 PM (MVjcR)

108 . Every week when I'm writing it, I think "this is stupid as shit"
Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:51 PM (MVjcR)

Nah man, this is one of my favorite threads of the week.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 09, 2018 07:54 PM (xJa6I)

109 Weasel-
From last week..The Norma Match 6.5 Creedmore ammo was just a bit higher in price than bare Lapua brass. 10BA Evolution I ordered turned out backordered in LH so did a little reconsideration and got a Stealth. Lighter and I didn't need all the extra rail. NF was out of the scope I wanted for the price so I went with a Vortex Razor HD 5-20 X50 with EBR-2B Milrad reticle and a 20 MOA rail. Slapped a boat anchor scope on it for now and doing barrel break in currently. ZR0delta muzzle break coming. Shot a .46 Mil @ 100m with a scope that won't track and mushy turrets.

Posted by: DBCooper at December 09, 2018 07:54 PM (bttOm)

110 Weasel, thanks for the thread. 22's make for wonderful memories and conversation.

And I LOVE those old ads!

Posted by: JTB at December 09, 2018 07:54 PM (bmdz3)

111
You wanna see what Bailey Quarters looks like old?

https://youtu.be/zhuCBkMXHhY?t=5m19s

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at December 09, 2018 07:55 PM (/+P5n)

112 I'll inform Son of TP. He needs to see a (what's the proper group term) of Morons/ettes up close is like.

Need to get him a cardboard membership. LOL

Posted by: Tonypete at December 09, 2018 07:55 PM (9rIkM)

113 Hrothgar, You all are so wonderful for coming. We will never run out of room!

Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2018 07:55 PM (+w1IT)

114

Thanks Weasel.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 09, 2018 07:53 PM (HaL55)
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You're welcome! Thanks for tuning in!

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:56 PM (MVjcR)

115

Well it's absolutely my pleasure. I'm really happy you all are enjoying
it. Every week when I'm writing it, I think "this is stupid as shit"

Bite your tongue, Weasel. I can't afford to shoot, so just looking at manufacturing videos really cranks my tractor. The more of those, the better IMHO.
*sigh* I really miss the old days. And that "money" stuff...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 09, 2018 07:57 PM (HaL55)

116 Nah man, this is one of my favorite threads of the week.

Ditto that.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at December 09, 2018 07:57 PM (qc+VF)

117 Wife and I made our first purchases. Shield 2.0 EZ for her, Ruger EC9s for myself. Pick up next week, range to follow.

Posted by: doomed at December 09, 2018 07:58 PM (iSJTs)

118 Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at December 09, 2018 07:55 PM (/+P5n)

Jan Smithers is still a beautiful woman.

Posted by: ALH at December 09, 2018 07:58 PM (cS3Yq)

119 First rifle was a Western Field.22 bolt action. The first rifle I bought myself was a Remington Nylon 66 purchased from K-mart for $89.95. Both reside in my gun safe.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at December 09, 2018 07:58 PM (bML9A)

120

Nah man, this is one of my favorite threads of the week.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 09, 2018 07:54 PM (xJa6I)
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Aw, shucks. Thank you!!

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:58 PM (MVjcR)

121 .22s do make great memories. My first was a Remington 552. After that, a Walther KKM for competition. Still have both in the safe. Good times.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 09, 2018 07:58 PM (GBF0l)

122 I have introduced a lot of people to guns with my old single shot .22. It makes a perfect teaching tool for safety and you have to perform each step in the sequence. And actually handle the cartridge.
It lets you describe what's going on in the cartridge, what happens in the chamber, why the four rules apply. And it's not even scary.

Posted by: RI Red at December 09, 2018 07:59 PM (vcPDA)

123 Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2018 07:55 PM (+w1IT)

No, thanks to you for hosting such a fine event. In all seriousness, it was the best weekend I'd had in over four years, and I'm already looking forward to the 2019 event!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at December 09, 2018 07:59 PM (f3oO4)

124

And then there are the memories from going squirrel hunting as a real live Boy back home in Alabama.

Damned good times.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 09, 2018 07:59 PM (HaL55)

125 A friend of mine has a Stevens-Duryea car; beautifully preserved, not restored. It's a real museum piece, gorgeous.

Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at December 09, 2018 08:00 PM (81fir)

126 109 Weasel-
From last week..The Norma Match 6.5 Creedmore ammo was just a bit higher in price than bare Lapua brass. 10BA Evolution I ordered turned out backordered in LH so did a little reconsideration and got a Stealth. Lighter and I didn't need all the extra rail. NF was out of the scope I wanted for the price so I went with a Vortex Razor HD 5-20 X50 with EBR-2B Milrad reticle and a 20 MOA rail. Slapped a boat anchor scope on it for now and doing barrel break in currently. ZR0delta muzzle break coming. Shot a .46 Mil @ 100m with a scope that won't track and mushy turrets.
Posted by: DBCooper at December 09, 2018 07:54 PM (bttOm)
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So you don't have the Vortex yet? I shoot with some of the guys who design them. Great guys.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:00 PM (MVjcR)

127 Re: Smithers

Brolin was an idiot.

Posted by: doomed at December 09, 2018 08:00 PM (iSJTs)

128 We will never run out of room!

Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2018 07:55 PM (+w1IT)

Well, you are in Texas, so...

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at December 09, 2018 08:01 PM (f3oO4)

129 I learned on an old Stevens bolt action single shot
Had to pull the knob back to cock it. Conserves ammo when you have to reload for every shot

Posted by: Boomer at December 09, 2018 08:01 PM (ucNdt)

130 110 Weasel, thanks for the thread. 22's make for wonderful memories and conversation.

And I LOVE those old ads!
Posted by: JTB at December 09, 2018 07:54 PM (bmdz3)
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Thank you, JTB. Appreciate your participation! And aren't the old ads great?

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:01 PM (MVjcR)

131 First rifle: Remington 512 Sportmaster .22.

Bolt action tubular repeater.

Got stolen out of my apartment. I inherited it from my dad, so, you can imagine why I might miss it.

Anyway, funny thing you should mention 22.

Yesterday was our departmental Christmas party. Wife wasn't feeling well, so, I dropped of some food, Mac N Cheese (page 164 of TDG, though, the recipe has since been updated) and my white elephant gift, which was a box of CCI Minimags, 100 rounds. (I don't shoot .22 much any more, though I've a CZ 512)

Anyway, I know guys have .22's and, I was sort of hoping the gift might also annoy the head of my department, who I don't much care for. Win/win!

Anyway, I'll find out tomorrow if my gift raised any eyebrows as I couldn't stick around for the festivities.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 09, 2018 08:02 PM (WEBkv)

132 27 Some good deals floating around out there on them.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 09, 2018 07:20 PM

.....

$499 at my local Rural King.

I bought $1000 worth of gift cards at my daughters 4-H fundraising auction for $600.

So it's really like paying $300 for it, in a way.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 09, 2018 07:23 PM (ctBVQ)

It's like paying $99 for it, if you use the free ones first!

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at December 09, 2018 08:02 PM (di1hb)

133 (what's the proper group term) of Morons/ettes up close is like.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 09, 2018 07:55 PM

An intoxication of Morons?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 09, 2018 08:02 PM (GBF0l)

134 I remember Dad had a box of .22LR which said "Danger Range One Mile."

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 09, 2018 08:02 PM (aKsyK)

135 We just got back from meeting a couple and selling them an item using Facebook Marketplace.

Hubs brought his trusty 38 along for the ride. Never know when it might come in handy.
The sale was completed without incident. Nice young couple with their toddlers in the back seat sleeping.
Even Santa was there, fueling his pickup.

Posted by: ALH at December 09, 2018 08:02 PM (cS3Yq)

136 Weasel-

Not yet on Vortex. Can't say I'm thrilled about the color but that scope seems to work good with the creedmore so looking forward to it.

Posted by: DBCooper at December 09, 2018 08:02 PM (bttOm)

137 Well it's absolutely my pleasure. I'm really happy you all are enjoying
it. Every week when I'm writing it, I think "this is stupid as shit"

Not at all. You put a level of detail in that interests people that don't know a lot about it. Don't ask me how I know.

Posted by: dartist at December 09, 2018 08:02 PM (K22Va)

138 117 Wife and I made our first purchases. Shield 2.0 EZ for her, Ruger EC9s for myself. Pick up next week, range to follow.
Posted by: doomed at December 09, 2018 07:58 PM (iSJTs)

Grats, Smith and Wesson/Ruger make good pistols.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 09, 2018 08:03 PM (xJa6I)

139 Have we talked about Density Altitude yet?
Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:54 PM (MVjcR

Hell, I flew UH-1s and UH-60s in high DA!
I'm familiar with the effects.

Posted by: RI Red at December 09, 2018 08:03 PM (vcPDA)

140 As I mentioned last week - I had a .22 before my Daisy. That 10/22 right there as a matter of fact, my 7th B-Day in 1964. Sadly, my dementia ridden mother gave it away, along with all of my other guns I assumed were safe in the gun cabinet, and my step-dad's guns and sidearms from WWII he'd collected.

Posted by: clutch cargo at December 09, 2018 08:04 PM (TUU1F)

141 Ok, everytime I come to this thread I say I'm going to make my 12 Remington 870 into a home defense shotgun, and I never do, but I'm going to say it until I do it cause it's all I got.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at December 09, 2018 08:04 PM (+6jVU)

142 I'm restoring a Savage 99EG in .300 Savage. Have a new walnut stock blank and fore end. Almost has the ballistics of a .308, just a little softer. A bit of pitting in the barrel, nothing serious. The long range strategic plan is to finish the stock and fore-end this winter.

My problem is that I freeze when it comes to checkering. I have all the checkering tools, but when it comes time to score that nicely finished woodwork, I just wimp out. A mental block. In other words, I don't think that Purdey would offer me a job. So I'm debating whether to leave it un-checkered, or to send it out to a pro.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at December 09, 2018 08:04 PM (CeJUf)

143 I'm considering purchasing a Ruger AR-556.

Any of you folks gotta any input good or bad?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 09, 2018 07:16 PM (ctBVQ)

You'll probably want to replace the trigger with something a little lighter; stock it's about 7-8 lbs (or at least, that's what it feels like). Otherwise, I like mine just fine.

Posted by: Bert G at December 09, 2018 08:05 PM (OMsf+)

144 Aw, shucks. Thank you!!
Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:58 PM (MVjcR)
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My favorite threads all happen on Sunday: Book, food and guns.

Thank you for looking after the gun thread, Weasel. You are a fine upstanding American!

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 09, 2018 08:05 PM (WEBkv)

145 For the past few years, I've been picking up clapped out old .22s and restoring them. Wood stocks only - fantastic looking after refinish - most used walnut. My favorite is a 1953 Marlin 142. When I was a Boy Scout in the '60s, these were the favorite at scout camp. A beautiful old rifle and pretty unique.

Posted by: oldgeezer at December 09, 2018 08:05 PM (Wb5vb)

146 Cannibal Bob, Got hacksaw?

Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2018 08:06 PM (+w1IT)

147 Weasel, another fantastic gub thread. Kudos. And I'm in the mood - not that I wouldn't be, any time - as I just reloaded 50 rounds of 38spl and am tumbling a ton of .357 and 38spl brass this afternoon.

That caseless .22 rifle is incredibly cool. Also had never heard of it.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2018 08:07 PM (QDnY+)

148 134 I remember Dad had a box of .22LR which said "Danger Range One Mile."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 09, 2018 08:02 PM (aKsyK)
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Yep. Notice the emphasis on *effective* range.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:07 PM (MVjcR)

149 142 - try buying older .22 to practice on. Many can be bought for less than $100 and you can't really hurt them. "Kids" nowdays want black guns any way.

Posted by: oldgeezer at December 09, 2018 08:08 PM (Wb5vb)

150 141 Ok, everytime I come to this thread I say I'm going to make my 12 Remington 870 into a home defense shotgun, and I never do, but I'm going to say it until I do it cause it's all I got.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at December 09, 2018 08:04 PM (+6jVU)

Well, it pretty much already IS one

Maybe put a side-saddle shell holder and a light and that's all you need man.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 09, 2018 08:09 PM (xJa6I)

151 My problem is that I freeze when it comes to checkering. I have all the checkering tools, but when it comes time to score that nicely finished woodwork, I just wimp out. A mental block. In other words, I don't think that Purdey would offer me a job. So I'm debating whether to leave it un-checkered, or to send it out to a pro.
Posted by: Skookumchuk at December 09, 2018 08:04 PM (CeJUf)
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Practice on the original furniture?

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 09, 2018 08:09 PM (WEBkv)

152 Posted by: Grey Fox at December 09, 2018 07:52 PM (bZ7mE)
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If you see one, pick it up. I don't think you will be disappointed.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:09 PM (MVjcR)

153 With the steadiness comes the accuracy.

So you don't recommend chugging a pot of covfefe before working the 1000yd range.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 09, 2018 08:09 PM (lD3vL)

154 Weasel-

That's awesome on the Vortex guys. I have quite a few red-dots from them on AR platforms and one on an FN-G1.
Love the warranty and good folks to work with. This will be my first Vortex Scope.

Posted by: DBCooper at December 09, 2018 08:09 PM (bttOm)

155 Every week when I'm writing it, I think "this is stupid as shit"
*************

Not at all. You put a level of detail in that interests people that don't know a lot about it. ...

Posted by: dartist

Interesting and fun, it's almost like being there.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 09, 2018 08:09 PM (/ZLfx)

156 136 Weasel-

Not yet on Vortex. Can't say I'm thrilled about the color but that scope seems to work good with the creedmore so looking forward to it.
Posted by: DBCooper at December 09, 2018 08:02 PM (bttOm)
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Let us know when you get it. The guys I know with Vortex are all engineers and shooters.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:10 PM (MVjcR)

157 151, Blake - never thought of that, but yes, a really good idea. Thanks.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at December 09, 2018 08:10 PM (CeJUf)

158 Actually I have no .22 rifle at all. Friend who helps run the action
rifle match I shoot is going to lend me his 10-22, or AR in .22, for
the next non-centerfire rifle match (the match alternates between
centerfire, and mixed rimfire/shotgun rimfire/centerfire formats). I
actually would prefer all centerfire - it's the only match where I get
to shoot my M-1s and Mosins and M-1 carbines at steel, with movement and
use of cover, etc.

I have a Single Six (with the 22 mag
second cylinder), and an M and P 22 pistol. Single Six was the first
gun I shot, about 10 years old, with my oldest brother, who's been a gun
guy since waaaay back then.

The M and P 22 is very nice - it's a slightly smaller version of their standard M and P polymer semi handgun platform (might be like a compact, not sure - though it seems close to "full size"). Shoots very nicely. Have tried about 5 flavors of ammo in it, no systematic problems. .22 semi-auto, so there's the occasional stove-pipe or some other loading/ejecting issue, but very reliable. Highly recommend for anyone looking for an M and P practice platform, or a just a nice .22 semi.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2018 08:10 PM (QDnY+)

159 Ok, everytime I come to this thread I say I'm going to make my 12 Remington 870 into a home defense shotgun, and I never do, but I'm going to say it until I do it cause it's all I got.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at December 09, 2018 08:04 PM (+6jVU)

That should make for an interesting thread. I'm in the same boat with an 870 which I purchased with the intent to use as a home defense weapon, but life has prevented me from having the time to get serious with this and get it done.

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at December 09, 2018 08:11 PM (f3oO4)

160 139 Have we talked about Density Altitude yet?
Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 07:54 PM (MVjcR

Hell, I flew UH-1s and UH-60s in high DA!
I'm familiar with the effects.
Posted by: RI Red at December 09, 2018 08:03 PM (vcPDA)
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Get a Kestrel and always record your DA.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:11 PM (MVjcR)

161 How many here have .22 conversion kits for their AR (s)? Very cool for shooting shit. And clearing FTEs.

Posted by: RI Red at December 09, 2018 08:14 PM (vcPDA)

162 Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2018 08:10 PM (QDnY+)
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What sort of match are you shooting with the heavier calibers? I ask, as I want to do more than just shoot at a few stationary targets with my Garand.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 09, 2018 08:14 PM (WEBkv)

163 I have a Desert Eagle in .50AE which will be featured here but first I want to get a video of it being fired. It's impressive.

Amen to that. On the indoor range, after cooking off a round, there would be a slight "snow fall" of ceiling tile fragments caused by the muzzle blast.

Like shooting from a snow globe.

The DE in .44 Mag not so much.

First rung firearm, Colt Python .357, 2nd Colt Delta Elite in 10mm, third was the .44 Mag Desert Eagle.

Then I got over the euphoria of gun buying and went with a more sensible Glock purchase spree.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 09, 2018 08:15 PM (lD3vL)

164
Hell, I flew UH-1s and UH-60s in high DA!
I'm familiar with the effects.
Posted by: RI Red at December 09, 2018 08:03 PM (vcPDA)
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Get a Kestrel and always record your DA.
Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:11 PM (MVjcR)
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I have a little book in my range bag that has the DEnsity Altitude and distance for every rifle and load I shoot. Measure the DA, find it in the book, and dial in the elevation! Easy peasy!

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:16 PM (MVjcR)

165 Hmm, a Kestrel. I wonder if Santa is listening?

Posted by: RI Red at December 09, 2018 08:16 PM (vcPDA)

166 Weasel.

Tell your Vortex guys "thanks!"

My AR wears a Vortex Viper PST, 4x16x50, 2nd focal plane. One step under the Razor, but is very well matched with the AR's maximum capabilities.

I think dollar for dollar and pound for pound, Vortex is putting out the best balance of price AND performance (not "vs" performance) on the market today.

I know the pros in the Sandbox tend towards Nightforce, the higher end Leupolds, Schmidt & Bender and Zeiss.

So, I'm curious. Ask your Vortex friends for an update as to their equipment being used in-theater. ESPECIALLY more in the high-end scope world, but yeah, let's hear how their Red/Green dot stuff is doing, too.

Who knows...could be fodder for a future Gum Thread?

Thanks in advance!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 09, 2018 08:16 PM (QzJWU)

167 Well Ben I guess I could saw it. Lol.

Mark, it is but I want it short And sweet for Heidi. I'm looking at the Archangel Kit.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at December 09, 2018 08:16 PM (+6jVU)

168 Thanks for doing this every week, Weasel, I always look forward to this thread !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 09, 2018 08:17 PM (mfOi4)

169 Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2018 08:07 PM (QDnY+)
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Thanks rhomboid, appreciate you stopping by!

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:17 PM (MVjcR)

170 My first time shooting a firearm was a Stevens .22LR single shot bolt action.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2018 08:18 PM (NWiLs)

171 159, Cannibal, Hrothgar - that's what I did. I took a Walmart 870 with a matte finish, one that when cleaned up showed the machining marks, had it refinished in Robat NP3, (don't ask how much that cost) then installed a Surefire forend and synthetic furniture. This is my Alaska fishing gun. But I should have just bought a Mossberg 590 stainless instead.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at December 09, 2018 08:18 PM (CeJUf)

172 How many here have .22 conversion kits for their AR (s)? Very cool for shooting shit. And clearing FTEs.

Yep. Tons of fun. I would like to build a dedicated rimfire upper some day in a service rifle configuration.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg's phone at December 09, 2018 08:18 PM (qc+VF)

173 Weasel, have you cleared your Weasel Acres range yet? I've got 800' in the backyard, but it needs work.

Posted by: RI Red at December 09, 2018 08:19 PM (vcPDA)

174 Cannibal Bob, as Mark said - the 870 already is a home defense platform, basically. What's the barrel length? The 18.5" is generally handier in closed spaces, obviously, but longer barrels are fine too (don't know your situation).

As Mark said, get a light for it (there are various after-market light mounts for that model), maybe a saddle for extra ammo. You're in business.

But two things. Practice. Not just the shooting part, the loading/reloading part. I recommend getting dummy rounds for reloading practice (dummybullet.com has great ones). And ammo. If it's for home defense, buy the appropriate ammo. I'd recommend the reduced recoil buckshot, and reduced recoil slugs, available from various companies (Hornady, Federal prominent among them). Basically it's "law enforcement" ammo of the type used in police shotguns. (ammoseek.com, use appropriate search terms, you'll find lots of sources and best prices)

Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2018 08:19 PM (QDnY+)

175

Amen to that. On the indoor range, after cooking off a round, there would be a slight "snow fall" of ceiling tile fragments caused by the muzzle blast.

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Yep! They're special!

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:20 PM (MVjcR)

176
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 09, 2018 08:21 PM (KCxzN)

177 Remington 597 - bull barrel - small Nikon Rimfire scope. I like it. Shoot it at least once a month. Need a solvent trap though.

I kept the H&R breakdown 20 gauge that I got as a kid.

Posted by: Jody Hamilton at December 09, 2018 08:21 PM (KHM6X)

178 Ok, everytime I come to this thread I say I'm going to make my 12 Remington 870 into a home defense shotgun, and I never do, but I'm going to say it until I do it cause it's all I got.

Go Saiga-12 and modify it to work dependably.

You will go putting signs out in the yard and around the neighborhood begging crims to come in the house at night, just so you can chase them around throwing magazine after magazine of lead at them.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 09, 2018 08:21 PM (lD3vL)

179 P.S. to my #166.

My Vortex is the MOA reticle and turrets. I prefer that, as I'm deeply "programmed" to think and "intuit" MOA.

I know...all the HSLD crew feeds on Mil Dot Chow, but I'm just barely geezerly enough to have MOA in my ballistic DNA.

It works, so I'm not gonna break it by "fixing" it.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 09, 2018 08:22 PM (QzJWU)

180 Just because I looked at twitter for a minute:
https://twitter.com/lenlucas46/ status/1071825659624939522

remove space may be required

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at December 09, 2018 08:23 PM (f3oO4)

181 Posted by: Bert G at December 09, 2018 08:05 PM (OMsf+)
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Hey Bert G - I didn't get your email yet - maybe try again using the link in my nic, or the address at the bottom of the post?

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:23 PM (MVjcR)

182 I have a Savage 4c that I picked up at a motorcycle swap meet for $50. It's old and patina'd, but it's a tack hammer at 50 yds.

Posted by: JoeBar at December 09, 2018 08:23 PM (u02T3)

183 Still have my first .22, a single shot Cooey (Canadian), probably from Klein's Sporting goods.

Another single shot, Sears or Monkey Wards, a Henry Survival, Papa Eez's Colt Targetsman, and two North American minis.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 09, 2018 08:23 PM (mfOi4)

184 Posted by: Jim at December 09, 2018 08:16 PM (QzJWU)
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I'll do that Jim, and let everyone know.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:23 PM (MVjcR)

185 Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2018 08:19 PM (QDnY+)

Dummy rounds? What the fuck does that mean? Everyone's a smart ass.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at December 09, 2018 08:24 PM (+6jVU)

186 168 Thanks for doing this every week, Weasel, I always look forward to this thread !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 09, 2018 08:17 PM (mfOi4)
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Happy to do it! Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:25 PM (MVjcR)

187 Not too OT, but I finally realized that if I ever have a home defense situation, I will be deaf after one shot. So I hung up ear muffs with the microphones next to each safe. Sort of a d'oh moment, but it makes sense.

Posted by: RI Red at December 09, 2018 08:25 PM (vcPDA)

188 But two things. Practice. Not just the shooting part, the loading/reloading part. I recommend getting dummy rounds for reloading practice (dummybullet.com has great ones). And ammo.

Better yet, let someone load your mags for you with the dummy rounds (if any) placed at random in the mag. Go to the range and practice FTF drills.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 09, 2018 08:26 PM (lD3vL)

189 Ok, everytime I come to this thread I say I'm going to make my 12 Remington 870 into a home defense shotgun, and I never do, but I'm going to say it until I do it cause it's all I got.

I just took the vent rib off my Express and put on a slug barrel. Called it good.

Got an old Model 31 though that honestly handles better. It's been "modified" - but not "Weaverized". Not quite.

Posted by: Jody Hamilton at December 09, 2018 08:27 PM (KHM6X)

190 Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2018 08:19 PM (QDnY+)

Very good point about practicing loading.

It amazed me how many guys in the military could not load a damn weapon once the stress factor raised.

It needs to be on auto pilot.

Posted by: Don Q at December 09, 2018 08:28 PM (NgKpN)

191 I purchased an Eotech 518 from Amazon last Friday night when it came up on a lightning deal lasting an hour, $175.00 off the regular price. Couldn't say no.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at December 09, 2018 08:29 PM (bML9A)

192 173 Weasel, have you cleared your Weasel Acres range yet? I've got 800' in the backyard, but it needs work.
Posted by: RI Red at December 09, 2018 08:19 PM (vcPDA)
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No, I decided it's going to be a lot easier to clear in the winter when I can see more than 10 feet in any direction. For now, I'm just shooting along a straight section of one of the roads.
Kestrel - make sure Santa knows you want one. I see guys going through all sorts of trial and error getting on target. Having a book of recorded DA values is a great way to look smart!

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:29 PM (MVjcR)

193 "How many here have .22 conversion kits for their AR (s)? Very cool for shooting shit. And clearing FTEs.
"

Mrs VIA has a Stag Model three with a dedicated .22 upper.

All the furniture is exactly like my Model three so she can go from one to the other.

She absolutely loves it.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 09, 2018 08:30 PM (cqNba)

194 OK, gun nuts, Heaven.

https://youtu.be/7_TaK0WZj2k

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 09, 2018 08:30 PM (+y/Ru)

195 Blake - the action rifle matches are shot on a private club main range, at hanging plates at 100, 175, and 200 yds - with movement, use of cover, a few "weak hand" (left-handed for most) shots, etc. Also, there's a separate, large shelter with big berm inside at 50 yds, they'll put paper silhouette targets up at that range, sometimes we advance and shoot on those (shot placement counts in that case).

Then there's the pit - as it sounds, a sunken area, high berms all around. Paper targets obviously. Movement/use of cover, sometimes shoot from inside a truck cab (quite a sensation shooting an M-38, a Mosin "carbine" - they just lopped some length off 91/30 barrels - from inside a truck cab - I double up with plugs/muffs for that one).

One standing joke at these matches is when I hit a 100-yd plate squarely - the things fly back violentely and swing for 30 seconds. The RO will call out "hit" - and my standard response - "are you sure?" As there can be a fair amount of trouble even determining whether the AR guys' shots are hits (90% of shooters are shooting ARs in .223) due to the light rounds, especially on the 175 and 200 yd plates, it always gets a laugh.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2018 08:30 PM (QDnY+)

196
My Vortex is the MOA reticle and turrets. I prefer that, as I'm deeply "programmed" to think and "intuit" MOA.

I know...all the HSLD crew feeds on Mil Dot Chow, but I'm just barely geezerly enough to have MOA in my ballistic DNA.

It works, so I'm not gonna break it by "fixing" it.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at December 09, 2018 08:22 PM (QzJWU)
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I think we may be related.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:31 PM (MVjcR)

197 I mentioned this email deal I got earlier but being gub thread and all

Ruger AR-556 Model 8500 Flat Top AR-15 Rifle
$499.99

http://bit.ly/2En5BNn

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 09, 2018 08:33 PM (yQpMk)

198 I bought my Christmas presents for me yesterday,
having no one else to buy presents for...

3 Dreyse 1907 .32's, a Walther Model 4 .32
(Imperial German Armmy - WWI proofed),
and a Model 1913 Sauer
(Versailles Treaty '1920' and German Police proofed.

The Dreyes all have property marks:
a Prussian police from Memel (a Lithuanian
border province), a Customs Office, and the best -
a Berlin Police. (marked K.P.P.B - K�nigliches
Polizei Pr�sidium Berlin - "Royal Police Presidium Berlin" ...like the one used by Detective Geron in
"Babylon Berlin"

All include an original police or military holster.

Posted by: retropox at December 09, 2018 08:33 PM (8yJxD)

199 I still love the .22LR and still have two. My dad bought a .22 bolt action from Sears for my brother and me. My brother still has it. I think it was made by Marlin. This was back in 1965. I think my brother should give it back to me.

Posted by: rockysan at December 09, 2018 08:33 PM (/QpMs)

200 I have a Remington 22 single shot with an ancient scope. From the 1930s my dad gave me when I moved out. Many memories from growing up and it still will drive tacks.

Joined in the safe with my new Henry ar-7.

Posted by: Pod Hamp at December 09, 2018 08:33 PM (e/lrP)

201 About that maximum effective range for .22lr you quoted...

I have had considerable success shooting at standard 19x30 silhouettes at an actual range of 312 yards. With CCI MiniMags (40 gr) and 40 gr Auila Super Extras out of my Marlin XT-22 bolt gun I have scored between 75% and 92% hits - depending on what the wind is doing that day. At that range 22 is all about wind reads since a 5mph cross wind will blow a Mini-Mag about 42 inches (1.9 mils) or so off line (depending on the air density). Even at that range a .22lr is still potentially lethal.

Posted by: An Observation at December 09, 2018 08:34 PM (Wf/fS)

202 Jim ,
I have many Vortex scopes along with Nightforce, Schmidt un Bender, Ziess, etc, etc.

I concur on bang for buck. My Razor (Gen 1) is a very good scope. I have transitioned from MOA from years of Fullbore shooting to MOA (workplace demands) and have not lost anything in the process. Vortex have made that slightly easier due to the reticles that they offer. My thinking is why pay over the odds for the best glass, best turrets, etc when you get a reticle that covers the target at long range. A hole where the middle of the cross hair normally would be for the win. Fill the hole with target, pull tit, watch target drop.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at December 09, 2018 08:34 PM (bgJ0E)

203
Ruger AR-556 Model 8500 Flat Top AR-15 Rifle
$499.99

http://bit.ly/2En5BNn
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 09, 2018 08:33 PM (yQpMk)
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That's a deal.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:35 PM (MVjcR)

204
"Bomber Camp" has MoMe written all over it

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 09, 2018 08:35 PM (KCxzN)

205 Cannibal, dummy rounds = cartridges (any caliber, centerfire or shotgun) reloaded without propellant or primers. So, they're physically identical to normal rounds, thus will load/eject/handle the same - but they're inert. Perfect for practicing loading/reloading, and checking function, without shooting or having a live round in the chamber.

Now that I reload I make my own, have them for every gun I own.

As Blue Bird noted, they can also be used in various ways for drills and training, at the range, combined with live ammo.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2018 08:35 PM (QDnY+)

206 22lr, definitely lethal.
It was/is the preferred round for a close range hit man.
Not too loud, will not exit the brain pan.
And dittos, thanks for the gub thread!

Posted by: navybrat, obtuse by nature at December 09, 2018 08:36 PM (w7KSn)

207 First one was a Rem Nylon; sold that to a roommate. Many years later, bought a 10/22 semiauto, then spent a few hundred on a Clerke bull-barrel, a 3X9, a jeweled trigger-set and a Hogue overmolded stock.
With a bipod at 50 yards, 5 rounds, one hole. I can't believe it, either, but.... After 25 years, I had to replace the ejector spring.

Anyhow. Just bought a Ruger American bolt-action .22LR for the g-kids to use. Still bare-naked iron sights, 'cause they have better eyeballs.

Posted by: dad29 at December 09, 2018 08:36 PM (7Kti7)

208 I love the daisy vl.

Posted by: Jean at December 09, 2018 08:36 PM (sFO1P)

209 . I think my brother should give it back to me.

Just go and take it. It's what brothers are for.

Posted by: dartist at December 09, 2018 08:37 PM (K22Va)

210
I concur on bang for buck. My Razor (Gen 1) is a very good scope. I have transitioned from MOA from years of Fullbore shooting to MOA (workplace demands) and have not lost

Fuckit I meant MIL.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at December 09, 2018 08:37 PM (bgJ0E)

211 One standing joke at these matches is when I hit a 100-yd plate squarely - the things fly back violentely and swing for 30 seconds. The RO will call out "hit" - and my standard response - "are you sure?" As there can be a fair amount of trouble even determining whether the AR guys' shots are hits (90% of shooters are shooting ARs in .223) due to the light rounds, especially on the 175 and 200 yd plates, it always gets a laugh.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2018 08:30 PM (QDnY+)

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Heh, Yeah, I've nailed a few poppers with the Garand it levels them unlike the 556. Anyway, thanks and I'm jealous, because I'd love to shoot those kinds of matches. Unfortunately, though, not readily available in Commiefornia, near as I can tell.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 09, 2018 08:38 PM (WEBkv)

212 I saved up and bought a Marlin 39A when I was 13 in 1966. I still have it and it's still a tack-driver. My son handed me a Marlin 336 to match this father's day, to replace the Winchester '94 I left with my daughter in N.C.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at December 09, 2018 08:39 PM (w7U7L)

213 201 About that maximum effective range for .22lr you quoted...

I have had considerable success shooting at standard 19x30 silhouettes at an actual range of 312 yards. With CCI MiniMags (40 gr) and 40 gr Auila Super Extras out of my Marlin XT-22 bolt gun I have scored between 75% and 92% hits - depending on what the wind is doing that day. At that range 22 is all about wind reads since a 5mph cross wind will blow a Mini-Mag about 42 inches (1.9 mils) or so off line (depending on the air density). Even at that range a .22lr is still potentially lethal.
Posted by: An Observation at December 09, 2018 08:34 PM (Wf/fS)
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Oh, I believe it! I suspect the sources for the 'effective range' business are considering the average shooter, and it sounds like you're well past that point. I repeated it here because I felt like I should list *some* max effective number, and 150 sounded reasonable for a plinking distance.
Thanks for the input!

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:39 PM (MVjcR)

214 To stay on topic regarding .22's:

I only have one rifle - an 1890 Winchester pump, in .22 short.

A "gallery gun", made in 1916.

It's cool.

Maybe one day I'll buy a grown-up's rifle.
Kinda doubt it. Mouse guns are my niche.

Posted by: retropox at December 09, 2018 08:40 PM (8yJxD)

215 199 I still love the .22LR and still have two. My dad bought a .22 bolt action from Sears for my brother and me. My brother still has it. I think it was made by Marlin. This was back in 1965. I think my brother should give it back to me.
Posted by: rockysan at December 09, 2018 08:33 PM (/QpMs)
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I think so too!

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:40 PM (MVjcR)

216 I'm sorry, I blew that calculation. 1.9 mils at 312 yards is just over 22 inches, not 42 inches.

Posted by: An Observation at December 09, 2018 08:41 PM (Wf/fS)

217 Almost bought a surplus Polish .22 trainer rifle for the Mosin-Nagant platform a few years ago. Think they're all sold out from vendors but occasionally pop up on the private market. Thing is, I only consider buying a gun if I have a real use for it/particular interest in it/need for it. In this case, thanks to buying so much surplus 54R when it was dirt cheap, there's actually not that much $$ incentive to get a .22 practice platform. I just shoot the real thing for practice.

And it's all "practice", as I have no plans to be involved in any land wars, or other sorts, any time soon. And Mosins and home defense are not a preferred operational or legal combination.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2018 08:41 PM (QDnY+)

218 ...I think we may be related.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:31 PM (MVjcR)

Could be that we are. My absolute favorite rifle bore is a 6.5... it's just that mine is the Swede in the 6.5x55 chambering.

Not to say I won't go over to the Creedmore.

Ruger Precision Rifle is an object of pure lust-quest.

And that's when I'll step up into the Razor series of Vortex scope, too.

Love my Viper though. It's 2nd focal plane, for the same reason it's MOA. I prefer the finer MOA reticle hashes vs. "dots", and again, I "think" in 2nd focal plane, even "rangefinding" quite effectively at a known magnification.

And don't diss the open, partridge type rifle sights, either. They can with practice, yield some amazingly tight groups, all without obstructing the target itself.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 09, 2018 08:42 PM (QzJWU)

219 Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at December 09, 2018 08:37 PM (bgJ0E)
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I'm going to start calling the trigger a tit.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:43 PM (MVjcR)

220 Just realized that I watched NO football for the howevermanyith week in a row and that I don't miss it at all!

Do miss the elbows though. Maybe that nice Mr. Bear can be persuaded to pick up the slack.

Posted by: random ~~lurker~~ commenter at December 09, 2018 08:43 PM (oLa9K)

221 Weasel, just my slang.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at December 09, 2018 08:44 PM (bgJ0E)

222 Blake, this is in Commiefornia. My impression is that interesting (for me) action rifle matches are scarce everywhere. Lots of static/bullseye events, not a *lot* of the action style. The In-Range guys seem to have lots of such matches - think they're in AZ? Saw a WWII run-n-gun match advertised for NC. I'm sure they exist. Actually have been trying to brainstorm some way to start such a match at the larger range where I RO. Current lay-out not that conducive, future development may change that.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2018 08:45 PM (QDnY+)

223
221 Weasel, just my slang.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at December 09, 2018 08:44 PM (bgJ0E)
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Well I think we should adopt it! All in favor?

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:46 PM (MVjcR)

224 retropox, I continue to marvel at your collection. It sounds incredibly cool. You picked a caliber with an amazingly rich and interesting history in modern handguns.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2018 08:47 PM (QDnY+)

225 One more time: 1.9 mils at 312 yards is 21.34"

Posted by: An Observation at December 09, 2018 08:48 PM (Wf/fS)

226 Posted by: Jim at December 09, 2018 08:42 PM (QzJWU)
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I'm the same way, Jim. I admire our pal NZFranks's ability to transition, but the MOA convention is too much a part of my brain. Plus I'm old.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:49 PM (MVjcR)

227 Anyone have recommendations for stockmakers?

I have a Springfield M1922 M2 .22LR with a crack in the right side of the stock, near the rear of the receiver. I haven't shot it since the crack occurred (I knocked it over and it hit on the rear sight; crap!). I doubt accuracy is affected, but I'm a perfectionist and want a replica replacement stock, fitted to my rifle.

Posted by: Gref at December 09, 2018 08:50 PM (AMIL/)

228 MIL? Should it be MOMIL: Minute of Mother-in-Law?

Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2018 08:50 PM (NWiLs)

229 214 To stay on topic regarding .22's:

I only have one rifle - an 1890 Winchester pump, in .22 short.

A "gallery gun", made in 1916.

It's cool.

Maybe one day I'll buy a grown-up's rifle.
Kinda doubt it. Mouse guns are my niche.
Posted by: retropox at December 09, 2018 08:40 PM (8yJxD)
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Very nice, brother.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:50 PM (MVjcR)

230 Well I think we should adopt it! All in favor?
Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:46 PM (MVjcR)

Before you adopt it, you should consider all the compound words and such that you're taking on along with it, included but not limited to: tit guard, tit squeeze, tit discipline, double-set tits, double stage tits, tit take-up, tit creep, tit reset, tit job, and suchlike.

So yeah, go ahead prolly.

Posted by: hogmartin at December 09, 2018 08:52 PM (t+qrx)

231 222 Blake, this is in Commiefornia. My impression is that interesting (for me) action rifle matches are scarce everywhere. Lots of static/bullseye events, not a *lot* of the action style. The In-Range guys seem to have lots of such matches - think they're in AZ? Saw a WWII run-n-gun match advertised for NC. I'm sure they exist. Actually have been trying to brainstorm some way to start such a match at the larger range where I RO. Current lay-out not that conducive, future development may change that.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2018 08:45 PM (QDnY+)
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Really? I'm in Bakersfield, CA, so, if within a 150 miles, would be doable.

Anyway, there is a really cool rifle match run in Tuscon, AZ. More of a two gun match, rifle-pistol, that I keep telling myself I'm going to try out.

The club I belong to used to run rife matches once of twice a year, but with the changes in the laws and having the local Sheriff's investigating one of our members put a chill on our rifle matches.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 09, 2018 08:52 PM (WEBkv)

232 Jim,
Dots as in the MIL- dot really are a waste of time and target. Trying to range a target in the 1980's fine, today with laser rangefinder now redundant. MIL scope with fine hash marks and graduations are the way to go especially for long range. One qualification , there absolutely MUST be indicative numbering on the reticle. Otherwise you are trying to count fine hash marks while looking at wind,sort out range and maybe a moving target. I keep losing my place without a reference especially on a busy Hourus style scope. Again no middle cross hair, just a small hole.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at December 09, 2018 08:52 PM (bgJ0E)

233 The VL.22, the James Bond Gyro=Jet starter rifle?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 09, 2018 08:52 PM (wnc8I)

234 The VL.22, the James Bond Gyro=Jet starter rifle?
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 09, 2018 08:52 PM (wnc8I)

I bet there's someone around here with a Dardick collection in the safe. They need to send those pictures in to Weasel.

Posted by: hogmartin at December 09, 2018 08:54 PM (t+qrx)

235 226 Posted by: Jim at December 09, 2018 08:42 PM (QzJWU)
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I'm the same way, Jim. I admire our pal NZFranks's ability to transition, but the MOA convention is too much a part of my brain. Plus I'm old.
Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:49 PM (MVjcR)

I'm only 29.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at December 09, 2018 08:54 PM (bgJ0E)

236 Posted by: Gref at December 09, 2018 08:50 PM (AMIL/)
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Hi Gref- you might try Fulton Armory, or give the guys at CMP a call and see who they would recommend.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:54 PM (MVjcR)

237 Anyone have recommendations for stockmakers?

Macon Gunstocks has an M1922 NRA stock listed. Looks to be correct.

Posted by: Panhandler at December 09, 2018 08:56 PM (S3ZPG)

238
I'm only 29.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at December 09, 2018 08:54 PM (bgJ0E)
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You too? Well it's not the years, it's the miles!
Hey - were having a get together in Virginia in February - you should swing by!

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:57 PM (MVjcR)

239 Blake, dang, Bakerspatch is almost America, by CA standards - and you've got a hostile sheriff? Also - not aware of any laws that affect things like rifle matches, at least state laws?

San Diego County. I really should research AZ shootin' activities, it's not that far away. And I figure AZ has a few more years before it's ruined, for gun purposes, too.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2018 08:57 PM (QDnY+)

240 This Monday, every NJ gun owner more than likely becomes a felon.

Way to go NJ FSA!!!!

And every NJ politician who was in favor of that crap is already a felon for just agreeing to oppress people's rights.

Posted by: An Observation at December 09, 2018 08:57 PM (Wf/fS)

241 Really old 22s are so useful and fun. My friend and I taught his little boys the basics of shooting with our muzzleloaders. As a dessert, they got to shoot their great-grandfather's gallery gun with 22 shorts and a little single shot for 22lr, another pawn shop special. I cut back the rear stock to fit them. Those rifles were light enough for kids and made them feel 'grown-up' since they didn't need supports to fire them.

Posted by: JTB at December 09, 2018 08:58 PM (bmdz3)

242
Before you adopt it, you should consider all the compound words and such that you're taking on along with it, included but not limited to: tit guard, tit squeeze, tit discipline, double-set tits, double stage tits, tit take-up, tit creep, tit reset, tit job, and suchlike.

So yeah, go ahead prolly.
Posted by: hogmartin at December 09, 2018 08:52 PM (t+qrx)
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Damn! I like it even better!

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:58 PM (MVjcR)

243 Conspiracy to deny another of their Constitutional rights is, in fact, a felony.
Or so it used to be, once upon a time.

Posted by: navybrat, obtuse by nature at December 09, 2018 08:59 PM (w7KSn)

244
San Diego County. I really should research AZ shootin' activities, it's not that far away. And I figure AZ has a few more years before it's ruined, for gun purposes, too.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2018 08:57 PM (QDnY+)
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Ben Avery north of Phoenix. I love shooting there.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:59 PM (MVjcR)

245 Rhomboid, thanks.
From 1900 to 1945, the One. True. Caliber.,
.32acp, was the most prolific handgun caliber.

Weasel: John Browning's 1890 is a hoot.
I'm looking for an original peep sight for it.

How much fun must a real .22 shooting gallery have been?

Posted by: retropox at December 09, 2018 09:00 PM (8yJxD)

246 NZFrank... hope you can make a Texas Mo Meet one fine day.

I'll just set up the lawn chair behind Weasel n' you, and take notes. Lots of notes.

Can I shoot? Yes, I can shoot. But I can also learn, and learn to shoot better.

Might be though, that I can return the favor in the pistol world.

I do okay there. Kind of.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 09, 2018 09:00 PM (QzJWU)

247 Weasel, I have a (stupid) question about the cookbook, what kind box does it come in, I don't want any packages that'll draw the attention of thieves showing up at my front door?

Posted by: Surfperch at December 09, 2018 09:00 PM (tYPH9)

248 243 Conspiracy to deny another of their Constitutional rights is, in fact, a felony.
Or so it used to be, once upon a time.
Posted by: navybrat, obtuse by nature at December 09, 2018 08:59 PM (w7KSn)

This would put a great many politicians in prison. Which wouldn't be a bad thing at all.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2018 09:00 PM (NWiLs)

249 I'm going to start calling the trigger a tit.
Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:43 PM

I find this titering.

Posted by: NPC_10111110 at December 09, 2018 09:01 PM (DMUuz)

250 You too? Well it's not the years, it's the miles!
Hey - were having a get together in Virginia in February - you should swing by!
Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:57 PM (MVjcR)

I would bloody love too. Unfortunately I leave the SHOT show for NZ on the 29th Jan. Do not know what date I will be back but if the suppressor business kicks off like we expect I will be making a lot more visits to the US. Thanks for the offer, let me know if you have another date in mind, I would love to go to Virginia as I more familiar with UT and TX.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at December 09, 2018 09:02 PM (bgJ0E)

251 249 I'm going to start calling the trigger a tit.
Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:43 PM

I find this titering.
Posted by: NPC_10111110 at December 09, 2018 09:01 PM (DMUuz)

I'm feeling titted. To the safe space!

Posted by: Insomniac at December 09, 2018 09:03 PM (NWiLs)

252 Jim, same to you as to Weasel.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at December 09, 2018 09:03 PM (bgJ0E)

253 247 Weasel, I have a (stupid) question about the cookbook, what kind box does it come in, I don't want any packages that'll draw the attention of thieves showing up at my front door?
Posted by: Surfperch at December 09, 2018 09:00 PM (tYPH9)
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If you order from Amazon, it comes in a little plain brown book mailer. Not even a regular Amazon box.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 09:04 PM (MVjcR)

254 A tit? Well that is certainly a bird of a different feather.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 09, 2018 09:04 PM (wnc8I)

255 NZFrank, Oct 19th, 2019. Corsicana, TX

Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2018 09:04 PM (+w1IT)

256 I have one, son has one, and at least three friends have one. A really solid AR at a great price. So far, no malfunctions and all are approaching a couple of years age.

Posted by: Agitator at December 09, 2018 09:05 PM (atO6j)

257 > I love the daisy vl.

Yeah, that's awesome.

On reading a bit more about it, the hot air to ignite the propellant was produced by compressing it, something that Daisy knew a little bit about.

Seems like the ammo for that would've been even cheaper than regular .22, if it had stayed in production. Too bad it didn't. Maybe time for someone to revive it.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at December 09, 2018 09:06 PM (ftLC8)

258 Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at December 09, 2018 09:02 PM (bgJ0E)
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Damn. So close! The MoMe is Feb 9th. Anyhow, I have a little piece of property in Central Virginia and you're always welcome to come shoot in the country! Keep it in mind.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 09:06 PM (MVjcR)

259 Since we are talking 22s, consider the T/C Contender in 22lr. It will really give you a chance to find out just how accurate and effective that caliber can be. Easy to mount a scope on. Slow shooting but a LOT of fun. Another single shot that can give hours of fun with little cost.

Posted by: JTB at December 09, 2018 09:06 PM (bmdz3)

260 Damn! I like it even better!
Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:58 PM (MVjcR)

Bumping the tit.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at December 09, 2018 09:07 PM (bgJ0E)

261 Gunga la gunga !

Posted by: JT at December 09, 2018 09:07 PM (l4OMA)

262 Jim, any chance of doing another postal match? I'm sure it was a lot of work, but it sure was a fun concept. And a neat thread.

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at December 09, 2018 09:07 PM (C1NyB)

263 If you order from Amazon, it comes in a little plain brown book mailer. Not even a regular Amazon box.
Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 09:04 PM (MVjcR)

Good. I might just get the Cookbook as Christmas present for myself, then.

Posted by: Surfperch at December 09, 2018 09:08 PM (tYPH9)

264 255 NZFrank, Oct 19th, 2019. Corsicana, TX
Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2018 09:04 PM (+w1IT)

Awesome, a target date to work with. Again thanks for the offer to your place Weasel. I have a 300m range and a 600m-1400m range to offer in return.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at December 09, 2018 09:09 PM (bgJ0E)

265 255 NZFrank, Oct 19th, 2019. Corsicana, TX
Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2018 09:04 PM (+w1IT)
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BH, I'm writing that down, so WeaselWoman can take the time off!

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 09:09 PM (MVjcR)

266
Good. I might just get the Cookbook as Christmas present for myself, then.
Posted by: Surfperch at December 09, 2018 09:08 PM (tYPH9)
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I hope you do! And if you do, I hope you like it! It's really a lot of fun and has a LOT of really good recipes.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 09:11 PM (MVjcR)

267 Weasel, add a couple of days to that for the pre MoMe.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2018 09:11 PM (+w1IT)

268
Awesome, a target date to work with. Again thanks for the offer to your place Weasel. I have a 300m range and a 600m-1400m range to offer in return.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at December 09, 2018 09:09 PM (bgJ0E)
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Thanks man. I may come down for the F-Class Worlds if I'm not too decrepit by then!

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 09:14 PM (MVjcR)

269 Weasel, add a couple of days to that for the pre MoMe

So, two days for setup and conviviality and then the Big Event?

Posted by: Panhandler at December 09, 2018 09:14 PM (S3ZPG)

270 267 Weasel, add a couple of days to that for the pre MoMe.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2018 09:11 PM (+w1IT)
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I was hoping you would say that. And I want to get a cowgirl hat for WW.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 09:15 PM (MVjcR)

271 Weasel, you and I will be in collusion on that.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2018 09:16 PM (+w1IT)

272 Date written in my planner Ben. Really gonna try next year!

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2018 09:16 PM (dUJdY)

273 ...Jim, any chance of doing another postal match? I'm sure it was a lot of work, but it sure was a fun concept. And a neat thread.

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at December 09, 2018 09:07 PM (C1NyB)

There's always a chance, it's just that like you said, it's a TON of work. And I've had my hands full with....work. *sigh*

Several of us have tried like hell to "imagine" various .22 rifle match formats, but it's proven (so far) futile, as a great many people simply don't have access to ranges greater than a mere 25 yards.

Also, those same ranges MOSTLY don't allow "position" shooting. You're stuck shooting from a bench, most often.

Then, there's iron vs. scopes. Another hurdle.

So, if there's going to be another Postal Match, I'm thinking same rules and format as the original.

Is it the best? Likely not.

But it does give access to "the match" to the greatest number of Morons n' 'Ettes, and that's really the MOST important thing about it.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 09, 2018 09:17 PM (QzJWU)

274 Panhandler, Yes, sir.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2018 09:18 PM (+w1IT)

275
Jim, any chance of doing another postal match?

They were always shooting at my daddy!

Posted by: John Kasich at December 09, 2018 09:18 PM (aKsyK)

276 Weasel, I resent the email, but from a different account with my old nick on here, "Country Singer". If anyone sees Blanco Basura, let him know that the moronhorde.com email is down.

Posted by: Bert G at December 09, 2018 09:19 PM (OMsf+)

277 Date written in my planner Ben. Really gonna try next year!
Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2018 09:16 PM (dUJdY)

Same. Do people fly in to DFW, generally?

Posted by: hogmartin at December 09, 2018 09:21 PM (t+qrx)

278 Posted by: Bert G at December 09, 2018 09:19 PM (OMsf+)
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Got it! Very cool! Thanks.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 09:21 PM (MVjcR)

279 Late to the party as usual. Arizona time.

Learnt rifle shootin' on a Marlin 60 in early teens. Moved up to a Savage-Anschutz model 64 in high school and shot indoor 50 yard target matches for a couple of years. Not as nice as the 54 but loved it anyway. Sold it for books and food in the lean college years for stoopid cheap. Regret it to this day, of course.

Now I have a 10/22 with a cheap scope for kicks, a stainless Ruger Mark II Target with 6.875" tapered barrel, and a blued Single-Six Bisley with 7.5" barrel and extra .22 mag cylinder. Mag cylinder is from a different gun but indexes correctly and is a hoot to shoot.

Posted by: Love Gub at December 09, 2018 09:22 PM (gjB0k)

280 Posted by: Jim at December 09, 2018 09:17 PM (QzJWU)

Meh, even if it's an exact repeat of the last one, I think it would be worthwhile, especially with the New and Improved Gub thread!

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at December 09, 2018 09:23 PM (C1NyB)

281 hogmartin and Jewells if you can do Love Field/SW airlines much more user friendly and I have the directions down pat.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2018 09:23 PM (+w1IT)

282 Ok, this is way off topic, but this guy is a Moron among Morons. Where the hell is Uncle Palp when you want him?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paG1-lPtIXA

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 09, 2018 09:23 PM (GBF0l)

283 Same. Do people fly in to DFW, generally?

Yup.

And boy, are their arms tired.

Posted by: JT at December 09, 2018 09:24 PM (l4OMA)

284 I wanted to pass this on. The Winchester 700 Long Range in .300 Win Mag is a notoriously inaccurate rifle. Hard to see why; Fiberglass bedded stock, free floated barrel etc. Sadly out of the box it is about a 2.5 moa rifle. I have figured out why; it has crown problems. The solution is really simple. I bought a Khantrol bolt on muzzle brake and the accuracy problems vanished when I installed it. The Khantrol MB covers up a lot of the crown and the controlled expansion of gasses inside the break cause the bullets to fly true. The rifle is now easily sub moa.

The rifle, scope (SWFA fixed 10 power Mil-quad) mounts, and muzzle brake all came to about $1200. It out shot a $7000 rifle chambered also in .300 Win Mag, with a $3000 scope on it. The guy on the table next to me had that, and we talked going down range to check our targets. He was none too pleased when he saw my 10 shot group was a single elongated hole while his didn't have any rounds even touching.

Posted by: An Observation at December 09, 2018 09:24 PM (Wf/fS)

285
Same. Do people fly in to DFW, generally?
Posted by: hogmartin at December 09, 2018 09:21 PM (t+qrx)
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DAL for me, hogmartin. Then head south for a bit.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 09:24 PM (MVjcR)

286 I'm having all sorts of problems this evening. My rifle is Remington 700 long range, not a Winchester.

Posted by: An Observation at December 09, 2018 09:26 PM (Wf/fS)

287 272 Date written in my planner Ben. Really gonna try next year!
Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2018 09:16 PM (dUJdY)
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Jewells45- can you please email me at the gun thread email address? I have a question for you.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 09:26 PM (MVjcR)

288 286 I'm having all sorts of problems this evening. My rifle is Remington 700 long range, not a Winchester.
Posted by: An Observation at December 09, 2018 09:26 PM (Wf/fS)
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No worries, man. We all have those days. It's one of the reasons I don't try and shoot with a mildot reticle!

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 09:28 PM (MVjcR)

289 Ms ocasio-cortez says we will tax bullits so the nazi's in the n.r.a. won't have anything to shoot with!

Posted by: ramondo at December 09, 2018 09:28 PM (0XTUS)

290 Twitter, on occasion, delivers:

@wrongthinkradio 4hr

Replying to @BillKristol
As a Soldier, and as a company who is made up of veterans I want to respectfully ask you to shut your fucking mouth. We are not your political cudgel you country club piece of shit. You made a career using us as chess pieces to fight corporate wars, seriously, jump out a window.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 09, 2018 09:28 PM (ZejZP)

291 280 Posted by: Jim at December 09, 2018 09:17 PM (QzJWU)

Meh, even if it's an exact repeat of the last one, I think it would be worthwhile, especially with the New and Improved Gub thread!

Posted by: Eustace Haverkamp at December 09, 2018 09:23 PM (C1NyB)
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When Jim's time allows, we can certainly run it here!
Jim - happy to do whatever I can to help - just ask bluebell how helpful I am!

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 09:30 PM (MVjcR)

292 SWA doesn't do Lansing, but they're at Grand Rapids and DTW. Adding note about that to other note about other thing. Thanks, guys!

Posted by: hogmartin at December 09, 2018 09:30 PM (t+qrx)

293 My brother owned an Ithaca over and under - I owned a Remington 20 20 - I won't lie - I envied him.

Posted by: Boswell at December 09, 2018 09:31 PM (OjnQU)

294 Hey - were having a get together in Virginia in February - you should swing by!
Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 08:57 PM

Giving it some serious thought.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 09, 2018 09:32 PM (GBF0l)

295 hogmatrin, we can get you here from DFW if we have to.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2018 09:33 PM (+w1IT)

296 Bought my 10/22 back around 1980ish $89 on sale at the now defunct Gibson's sporting goods.

Had the choice of either my dad's .22 (make unknown) or grandpa's Continental .20 gauge. Took the shotgun which needs the loving care of a gunsmith.

Posted by: Beartooth at December 09, 2018 09:33 PM (QWpu1)

297
Giving it some serious thought.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 09, 2018 09:32 PM (GBF0l)
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RMBS really hope you can make it!!

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 09:33 PM (MVjcR)

298 DAL for me, hogmartin. Then head south for a bit.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 09:24 PM (MVjcR)

DAL worked fine for me as well.

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at December 09, 2018 09:34 PM (f3oO4)

299 hogmartin, hogmartin, hogmartin. Damned fingers attached to weak brain.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2018 09:35 PM (+w1IT)

300 If you really want to have some fun, fly into DAL and have your rental car waiting at DFW.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 09:35 PM (MVjcR)

301 RMBS really hope you can make it!!
Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 09:33 PM

It'll depend on whether I can swing a Friday off, but if I can, I'm there.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 09, 2018 09:36 PM (GBF0l)

302 299 hogmartin, hogmartin, hogmartin. Damned fingers attached to weak brain.
Posted by: Ben Had

Eventually you will end up with Beetlejuice.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 09, 2018 09:36 PM (ZejZP)

303 Really hoping to have my Dad's Colt Woodsman someday...

Alas, there are other siblings, one of whom may be the Lucky One instead.

Posted by: JQ at December 09, 2018 09:37 PM (zMzA6)

304

It'll depend on whether I can swing a Friday off, but if I can, I'm there.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 09, 2018 09:36 PM (GBF0l)
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Sounds good. Looking forward to meeting you! bluebell is mean, but I try and make up for it.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 09:37 PM (MVjcR)

305 Ms ocasio-cortez says we will tax bullits so the nazi's in the n.r.a. won't have anything to shoot with!
If she can get somebody to agree with her to do that, I'll be happy to file a felony complaint with the FBI about them. Agreeing with somebody to oppress people's Constitutional rights is a felony violation of 18 U.S. Code 241. By the way the agreement alone is a felony, they don't have to pass any laws or anything.

Posted by: An Observation at December 09, 2018 09:39 PM (Wf/fS)

306 That first ad, if it hasn't been mentioned, features a Remington Model 512 Sportmaster. When I was 10 years old, I received a Model 511 Scoremaster, which is the magazine (as opposed tubular) fed model.

I would still have, except for a tragic canoe accident. I've mentioned before that at age 16 I set out to customize it a bit. Pic:
https://preview.tinyurl.com/yd6czrkb

Another ad for those rifles:
https://preview.tinyurl.com/yda4hthy

Per the indicated pricing, my dad laid out $10.95. I can assure you, pop, it was money well spent. Thanks, again.

Ugh. It just came to me how many Christmas ago that was.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2018 09:39 PM (ZMWtN)

307 303 Really hoping to have my Dad's Colt Woodsman someday...

Alas, there are other siblings, one of whom may be the Lucky One instead.
Posted by: JQ at December 09, 2018 09:37 PM (zMzA6)
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A buddy at work has his dad's woodsman, a really nice pistol.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 09:39 PM (MVjcR)

308 Sounds good. Looking forward to meeting you! bluebell is mean, but I try and make up for it.
Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 09:37 PM

Ditto. I survived my meeting with bluebell, but the spork shiv scars are still pretty livid.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 09, 2018 09:39 PM (GBF0l)

309 weft, I'm not touching that one.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2018 09:40 PM (+w1IT)

310 You wanna see what Bailey Quarters looks like old?
https://youtu.be/zhuCBkMXHhY?t=5m19s
Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo at December 09, 2018 07:55 PM

Here is the antidote:
https://youtu.be/BJ9yqEMYx20

Posted by: Chuck C at December 09, 2018 09:40 PM (YTxkQ)

311 hogmartin, hogmartin, hogmartin. Damned fingers attached to weak brain.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 09, 2018 09:35 PM (+w1IT)

Don't worry about it. I'm not picky. I don't quite fit what comes to mind if you were to hear 'hogmatron', but my hearing isn't very good so I'd probably answer to it anyhow.

Posted by: hogmartin at December 09, 2018 09:43 PM (t+qrx)

312 Not a lot of people voiced opinions on 22 ammo. Maybe next week in the comments?

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 09:43 PM (MVjcR)

313 email sent Weasel.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2018 09:45 PM (dUJdY)

314 I like CCI mini mags. I don't like Remington Thunderbolt, no matter how many CONEX boxes you can get for $10, since it's 50/50 whether they'll cycle or sometimes even fire in my experience.

Posted by: hogmartin at December 09, 2018 09:45 PM (t+qrx)

315 Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2018 09:45 PM (dUJdY)
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Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 09:45 PM (MVjcR)

316 Ben, I don't fly anything but Southwest. But I may consider driving down. Depends on who will come with me.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2018 09:47 PM (dUJdY)

317 239 Blake, dang, Bakerspatch is almost America, by CA standards - and you've got a hostile sheriff? Also - not aware of any laws that affect things like rifle matches, at least state laws?
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Let's just say that we don't want to be in the position of policing the kind of guns allowed at our matches.

All it takes is a DA wanting to make a name for themselves and our cub is bankrupt. It was a bad time for our club and we're a little skittish these days.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 09, 2018 09:47 PM (WEBkv)

318 312
Not a lot of people voiced opinions on 22 ammo.

You don't want to get me started on Remington 22 ammo.... The only time I sent ammo back to the manufacturer.

Posted by: JimK at December 09, 2018 09:47 PM (uAlm4)

319 Not a lot of people voiced opinions on 22 ammo
Since I spend a lot of time with a 54 action Anschutz, I'm pretty well limited to Lapua or Lapua.

Posted by: Panhandler at December 09, 2018 09:47 PM (S3ZPG)

320 Great thread, people, thanks.

Checking out for now.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 09, 2018 09:47 PM (WEBkv)

321 We are watching "The Marvelous Mrs. Misel" on Amazpn. It's funnier than snpt.

And for all those worried about Slap, talked to him tonight and he is doing well.

Posted by: Farmer at December 09, 2018 09:47 PM (yJ1e6)

322 See ya Blake. Thanks for checking in!

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 09:49 PM (MVjcR)

323
You don't want to get me started on Remington 22 ammo.... The only time I sent ammo back to the manufacturer.
Posted by: JimK at December 09, 2018 09:47 PM (uAlm4)
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Ha! Seriously? Don't know that I've tried Remington.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 09:50 PM (MVjcR)

324 Blake - hmmmm.

Club where I RO and this other one where I shoot matches do not police anything other their own rules. Fairly sure there is no legal exposure for the clubs if, say, some insane, Nazi gun-nut (ya know, the typical gun-owner) uses some 20-ROUND MAGAZINES IN HIS ASSAULT RIFLE !!!! whew, sort of faint there, such insanity scares me ....... and I know this sort of thing has been carefully considered by the club's lawyers.

We get that sort of question fairly often. Our answer - we police our own safety rules and SOPs aggressively. We police nothing else.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2018 09:50 PM (QDnY+)

325 Not a lot of people voiced opinions on 22 ammo. Maybe next week in the comments?

I bought three 5k cases of Remington 40gr standard stuff at one point in the panics, maybe Sandy Hook. $200 a case. I see that the LR has finally dropped back to that price.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 09, 2018 09:51 PM (yQpMk)

326 Come to think of it, I think I do have some Remington Thunderbolt.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 09:54 PM (MVjcR)

327 I'm the odd one out on Remington Thunderbolt .22 ammo.

My Browning Buckmark seems to like it a great deal, and with no misfires or other faults.

The CZ 452 Lux though, loves CCI Mini-Mags, and will hold right at 1 MOA with iron sights at 100 yards, and just a wee bit larger at 125 yards.

150 yards though, and the group becomes a "pattern", alas.

I'm going to have to try some real MATCH ammo in the CZ sometime, just to see what it'll really DO.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 09, 2018 09:54 PM (QzJWU)

328 Not a lot of people voiced opinions on 22 ammo. Maybe next week in the comments?

My crappy shooting can't justify "good" (say Eley Club or better) ammo so I've standardized on Federal 711B and Federal 719 and stock up when I find either on sale. I was using 719 in the 10/22 with a Green Mountain barrel but recently tried the 711B. The grouping at 25 yards (indoor range) was much better but had like 50% FTEs. I think I'll switch to a reduced power recoil spring and then won't need the 719 for much of anything. Well, come to think of it, the CMMG AR conversion probably needs high-vel.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at December 09, 2018 09:54 PM (qc+VF)

329 Ammo preferences might make a fun topic someday. Maybe even a little accuracy test. Hmmm.....

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 09:56 PM (MVjcR)

330 We are watching "The Marvelous Mrs. Misel" on Amazpn. It's funnier than snpt.

Posted by: Farmer at December 09, 2018 09:47 PM (yJ1e6)

Good plot twist after the telethon.

Posted by: Bert G at December 09, 2018 09:56 PM (OMsf+)

331 Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Jim, look up Champions Choice, they'll be able to hook you up with Lapua Pistol Match.

Posted by: Panhandler at December 09, 2018 09:57 PM (S3ZPG)

332 Waiting.. waiting.. patiently for the ONT.. waiting..

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2018 09:59 PM (dUJdY)

333 ...Jim, look up Champions Choice, they'll be able to hook you up with Lapua Pistol Match.

Posted by: Panhandler at December 09, 2018 09:57 PM (S3ZPG)

What would you suggest for the 24" bbl. on the CZ 452?

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 09, 2018 10:00 PM (QzJWU)

334 patiently - Really Jewels, you expect us to buy that?

Posted by: Panhandler at December 09, 2018 10:01 PM (S3ZPG)

335 I have a problem.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2018 10:01 PM (dUJdY)

336 332 Waiting.. waiting.. patiently for the ONT.. waiting..
Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2018 09:59 PM (dUJdY)
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Can't be more fun than us, can it?

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 10:02 PM (MVjcR)

337 335 I have a problem.
Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2018 10:01 PM (dUJdY)
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Uh oh!

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 10:03 PM (MVjcR)

338 lol.. sorry Weasel.. gun thread ain't my thing.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2018 10:03 PM (dUJdY)

339 What do you mean 'a tell'? What's 'a tell'?

Posted by: Jewells' Tapping Foot at December 09, 2018 10:03 PM (jGvbj)

340 Writing going well I guess.

Just had the bad person plunge a pair of 7in scissors into someone.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 09, 2018 10:03 PM (wnc8I)

341 338 lol.. sorry Weasel.. gun thread ain't my thing.
Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2018 10:03 PM (dUJdY)
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WeaselWoman feels the same!!

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 10:04 PM (MVjcR)

342
What would you suggest for the 24" bbl. on the CZ 452?
There are several good ones on their list, with my age and abilities, I do OK with Lapua Center X
That would be a good one to start with, or the Wolf brand which is made by the same company in Germany.

Posted by: Panhandler at December 09, 2018 10:04 PM (S3ZPG)

343 lol.. sorry Weasel.. gun thread ain't my thing.
Posted by: Jewells45

I proposed the Sunday Night 'How to Loot, Pillage, and Rape with only Duct Tape' Thread, but Ace turned me down.

-- or something iike that ...

Posted by: Adriane the Dessert Critic ... at December 09, 2018 10:05 PM (LPnfS)

344 340 Writing going well I guess.

Just had the bad person plunge a pair of 7in scissors into someone.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 09, 2018 10:03 PM (wnc8I)
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Anyone we like?

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 10:05 PM (MVjcR)

345
What do you mean 'a tell'? What's 'a tell'?
Posted by: Jewells' Tapping Foot

A guy who shoots apples off his son's head while watching the Lone Ranger.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 09, 2018 10:05 PM (aKsyK)

346 Just a secondary character who knew too much.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 09, 2018 10:05 PM (wnc8I)

347 Just a secondary character who knew too much.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 09, 2018 10:05 PM (wnc8I)

Hey, I'm sitting right here.

Posted by: hogmartin at December 09, 2018 10:06 PM (t+qrx)

348 9:08.. really?? Last several nights it's been early but Sunday? OH NO..let's drag this out a bit longer.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2018 10:06 PM (dUJdY)

349 ...lol.. sorry Weasel.. gun thread ain't my thing.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2018 10:03 PM (dUJdY)

MAKE it your thing, then, ma'am.

Here's what I mean.

You design a jewelry piece, similar to an enameled lapel pin.

Make it so it works as a lapel pin, pendant, bracelet charm or other all-around jewelry piece.

You're the designer, but here's what it needs to convey.

The Ace of Spades Gun Thread.

Inclusive of all Morons & 'Ettes, all types, actions and calibers.

You might just end up with your largest series order, yet.

Work up say, two to five "designs", and let us vote on the most desired option?

What say ye, Jewells?

What say YE, Horde?

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 09, 2018 10:07 PM (QzJWU)

350 I think someone is volunteering... kowai

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 09, 2018 10:07 PM (wnc8I)

351 You're the designer, but here's what it needs to convey.

The Ace of Spades Gun Thread.

An overturned canoe?

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at December 09, 2018 10:08 PM (qc+VF)

352 Just a secondary character who knew too much.
Posted by: Anna Puma
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Now, NPC.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2018 10:08 PM (/dN1M)

353 Broke in half canoe with crossed M1911s

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 09, 2018 10:09 PM (wnc8I)

354 Jewells, weren't you looking into using spent cartridge casings? How did that work out?

Posted by: hogmartin at December 09, 2018 10:09 PM (t+qrx)

355 What say YE, Horde?

Jewels, Jewels - She's our lady!
When it comes to doing it, she's not a maybe!

Posted by: Panhandler at December 09, 2018 10:09 PM (S3ZPG)

356 Jim.. I have considered it and still am. Just trying to think of something unique and the tools I may need to do it. I have worked on a few things.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2018 10:09 PM (dUJdY)

357 NZFrank-
Do you Know Murray Willis?

Posted by: DBCooper at December 09, 2018 10:10 PM (bttOm)

358 I sawed his canoe in half!

Posted by: Flex Tape at December 09, 2018 10:10 PM (aKsyK)

359 Hi. Just checking to see if the equipment is working.

So to speak.

🎅

Christmas lasts a lifetime when little Billy used his Remington to stop a psychopathic murderous home intruder.

Hit him in both eyes. Pow. Pow. It was great.

Posted by: mindful webworker - 13 Days 'til Solstice at December 09, 2018 10:10 PM (vD+o9)

360 I was going to save this for the ONT but I'll post here also.

For those interested in Charlie Manson and the Family, on NatGeo tonight is Inside the Manson Cult: The Lost Tapes. Some video journalist interviewed a large number of the family members at the time of the murder spree. I don't know why these weren't shown before. This will be a well, duhhh comment but in addition to the crazy/evil it shows, I was very surprised at how young they all looked.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 09, 2018 10:10 PM (+y/Ru)

361 I perused National Review a bit today. First time in a long time. I knew that place had gone left, but ho lee fuk. If I hadn't known what/who I was reading it could easily have been Vox or HuffPo.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 09, 2018 10:10 PM (4I95x)

362 That's a great idea, Jim! I see gun related jewelry at gun shows all the time.

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 10:11 PM (MVjcR)

363 Well things did not turn out as planned for the bad character.

A the target started to turn so the scissors in the back turned into scissors at the base of the neck.

B the target is taller so not a lot of downward momentum with the strike

C there is now a dog barking.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 09, 2018 10:11 PM (wnc8I)

364 Hogmartin.. I bought some and then ended up having to buy a drill to make a hole in the bottom. It took some work but I did make a casing then glued bling to it and made a necklace but I wasn't happy with it. I need to spend some time on it.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2018 10:11 PM (dUJdY)

365 All you morons with guns, I'm forming a posse to go find the ONT. You in?

Posted by: Bob at the NSA at December 09, 2018 10:12 PM (deEx0)

366 Well, my slow-cooker meal is yummy. A small pre-marinated pork roast, bag of baby red potatoes, cut up carrot and turnip, some pot barley, and onion soup mix. Enough water to cover, plus 6 hours.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 09, 2018 10:12 PM (fDU8w)

367 the target is taller so not a lot of downward momentum with the strike
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 09, 2018 10:11 PM (wnc8I)

Oh! Must have been some other secondary character, then.

*discreetly inspects base of neck for puncture wounds*

Posted by: hogmartin at December 09, 2018 10:13 PM (t+qrx)

368 Kevin Williamson is still at it attacking deplorables. Turns out he didn't learn a fucking thing after his 5 seconds at the Atlantic.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 09, 2018 10:13 PM (4I95x)

369 Guess I will have to wait til tomorrow guys. I'm beat and gotta work tomorrow.

Enjoy the ONT.. if it ever shows up. Stay safe.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2018 10:13 PM (dUJdY)

370 Cya Jewells.

Back to writing now that we have cleared up the confusion of secondary characters.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 09, 2018 10:14 PM (wnc8I)

371 Bye Jewells45. Check your e-mail tomorrow

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 10:14 PM (MVjcR)

372 Hey NZFrank with an M2, if you're still around, re the TX MoMee:
deep-fried bacon.
...not battered, just cooked in hot oil, which is fast and produces crispy bite-size goodies. WeaselWoman was there and was an excellent bacon-pusher.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 09, 2018 10:15 PM (0ReGO)

373 I need to spend some time on it.
Posted by: Jewells45 at December 09, 2018 10:11 PM (dUJdY)

Maybe cut the case head off at the base for a disc-shaped lapel pin or earring or something? Solder the mount onto the primer pocket on the 'inside'.

Posted by: hogmartin at December 09, 2018 10:15 PM (t+qrx)

374 ONT

Posted by: hogmartin at December 09, 2018 10:16 PM (t+qrx)

375 Jewels, how's this?

Ace symbol, but overlaid with a target and group from the Postal Match a couple years back. Pick one that's very clear and sharp, that would "image" well.

At the base of the ACE's "stem", meld with a casting of the letters "ONT".

And much as a military Marksman's medal has "rockers" that hang on wee small chain links under the primary medal...

...per Bob the Bilderberg's quip, have one "rocker" be an canoe displayed upside down.

Participants in the original Postal Match can have a rocker that'd say "AoS / PM '15" or whatever year it was. And just put the correct years for any subsequent year-rockers.

Not that its gotta end up this way...just trying to seed the field with ideas for you, ma'am!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 09, 2018 10:16 PM (QzJWU)

376 I had a friend in the Manson gang (did not participate or know about the killings) My closest neighbor to the north was Spann's ranch. (I was born and raised in Chatsworth.) I rented horses from them, and once held a Stevens double 12 on them. And yeah, I was a teen and they weren't much older than me.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at December 09, 2018 10:16 PM (w7U7L)

377 OK everyone! That's it for this week! THANK YOU and hope to see you next week!

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 10:17 PM (MVjcR)

378 That's a great idea, Jim! I see gun related jewelry at gun shows all the time.
Posted by: Weasel
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I have a key ring I made when I was ~16, with a M98, 7.92x57 empty cartridge. Not too common among 16 year old drivers.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2018 10:19 PM (HTHlp)

379 My father gave me his paternal grandfather Stevens Tip-Up rifle which has an 1864 patent date and came in .32 long rifle. Fortunately, it is center-fire. My gunsmith friend checked it over for safety, and bought .32-40 cartridges (until recently, ammo for it was scarce to non-existent). Cowboy shooting has caused ammo such as this to make a resurgence. A few weeks ago, my sons and myself were able to do what my father was never able to do....go out and shoot it. It was a great rifle to shoot....extremely accurate and smooth. With open sights at 50 yards, we were able to shoot consistently tight patterns. It was a very special day.

Posted by: Evilleramsfan at December 09, 2018 10:29 PM (NxG7K)

380 379 My father gave me his paternal grandfather Stevens Tip-Up rifle which has an 1864 patent date and came in .32 long rifle. Fortunately, it is center-fire. My gunsmith friend checked it over for safety, and bought .32-40 cartridges (until recently, ammo for it was scarce to non-existent). Cowboy shooting has caused ammo such as this to make a resurgence. A few weeks ago, my sons and myself were able to do what my father was never able to do....go out and shoot it. It was a great rifle to shoot....extremely accurate and smooth. With open sights at 50 yards, we were able to shoot consistently tight patterns. It was a very special day.
Posted by: Evilleramsfan at December 09, 2018 10:29 PM (NxG7K)
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Very cool and very nice! I bet it was a special day. Thanks for sharing the story. How about a picture?

Posted by: Weasel at December 09, 2018 10:32 PM (MVjcR)

381 That old ad made me tear up.

I have on the top shelf of my closet a Remington 69a-22 my grandpa got for Christmas in the 30s. He gave it to me this past summer, and died in the fall.

Posted by: Aivanther at December 09, 2018 10:46 PM (WNAwi)

382 Winchest 69a, not Remington....

Posted by: Aivanther at December 09, 2018 10:48 PM (WNAwi)

383 "Can you reload 22LR ammunition"

Another bit of info most people don't seem to be aware of: with a set of dies, a spool of soft lead wire, and a bunch of spent .22LR cases, you can make your own jacketed .223 projectiles.
The dies aren't exactly cheap - about $350 or more, IIRC, but knowing that it's possible is somewhat relevant from a comprehensive DIY standpoint.
Similarly - but in a bit more of a hacky fashion - it's possible to re-prime spent metallic primers and re-use them with a fair bit of success, if you're desperate enough.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at December 10, 2018 03:50 AM (67XdO)

384 Everyone loves my old Marlin lever action 22. Even big game hunting buds. That and my AK are always a hit at a shooting party.

Posted by: Bavak at December 10, 2018 07:25 AM (EFxOl)

385 I received a made in 1961, Single Shot, bolt action, full choke Springfield M-951 .410 Shotgun in 1963 for Christmas. At ten years old it was My first firearm to hunt Rabbits and squirrels with my Dad.I still have it and hunt with it, Dad and Mom bought it at the Western Auto store that was in our town.Recently I replaced the extractor on it.I'd say that was a good investment.Three Christmases ago I gave the oldest Grandson a .12 gauge single shot and last Christmas his brother a .22 lr. Rifle.

Posted by: obsidian at December 10, 2018 11:07 AM (7+yqP)

386 I will send pictures for a future gun thread.

Posted by: Evilleramsfan at December 10, 2018 11:38 AM (RXcgV)

387 This should make the Snowflakes wither and hide a gun for Christmas instead of dumb socks with the toes or Peter Billingsleys Bunny PJ and Slippers from A CHRISTMAS STORY

Posted by: Tamaa Bird 1000 Voices at December 10, 2018 04:41 PM (wGqjj)

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