Victor Davis Hanson: In Order to Justify His Deviation from the Law, Robert Mueller Has Also Embraced Unequal Justice

Mueller probably knew there was no "collusion" from early days, but, to justify his mandate and appease the leftwing media culture which is demanding he reverse the 2016 election, he has gone after a series of process crimes, crimes that did not precede the investigation, but occurred during the investigation -- claiming Flynn "lied" to investigators, for example. (Despite the fact that the investigators Flynn "lied" to say he didn't lie at all.)

Mueller has gone after peripheral figure racking up pleas for process crimes not associated even remotely with his actual ambit, which is Russian collusion.

Well then, Victor Davis Hanson asks -- if you've gone beyond your brief to prosecute peripheral process crimes, why are you ignoring a rather large number of crimes committed by Hillary's Minions to set this all up?

Mueller has already weaponized politics, making a crime out of the tawdry business of opposition research -- but only sort of, since his interests in doing so are highly selective. And so his chief legacy will have little to do with whatever he finds on Donald Trump. He has already established the precedent that there is now no real equality under the law, at least as Americans once understood fair play and blind justice.
Once Mueller deviated from his prime directive of determining whether Donald Trump colluded -- sought help from the Russian to win the 2016 election in exchange for the promise of later benefits -- and turned to indicting political operatives for supposedly giving false testimonies about political shenanigans and engaging in illegal business practices, lobbying, and tax avoidance, he either knowingly or unknowingly established a precedent that the serial misdeeds of 2016 would be treated unequally under the law.

Yet Christopher Steele, a British subject and de facto unregistered foreign agent, is eminently indictable and extraditable. He was paid through two firewalls (Fusion GPS and Perkins Coie) by Hillary Clinton to tap Russian sources to compile a smear dossier on her opponent, with the intent of warping the U.S. election -- a classic example of foreign-agent interference in an American campaign. If we were to take away that one purchased document, then the FISA court warrants, the informants, and all the CIA, FBI, and DOJ machinations would likely have disappeared or never arisen.
Obama-administration officials Bruce Ohr (whose wife worked on the dossier) at Justice, James Comey at the FBI, and John Brennan at the CIA all in some manner colluded with Steele, either directly or indirectly, to monitor the Trump campaign and then to seed the dossier among government agencies and courts, both to ensure its leakage and to brand it with a stamp of official seriousness, warranting investigations and media sensationalism.
....
Bruce Ohr filed a false federal disclosure affidavit, in that he did not reveal, as required, that his wife was employed by Fusion GPS to work on the Steele dossier. Nor did he disclose that after the election he had been in contact with Steele, offering his help in the effort to find proof of collusion.

James Comey, along with Andrew McCabe, Rod Rosenstein, and Sally Yates, at various times submitted requests to a FISA court that deliberately never disclosed that their chief evidence for such surveillance was 1) paid for by Hillary Clinton (instead, the applications claimed vaguely that it was a product of generic opposition research, likely and by design confusing its Republican-primary origins with its maturity under Clinton auspices), 2) used as a circular source for news accounts produced in turn to establish its fides, 3) unsubstantiated and either not fact-checked or found to be impossible to verify, 4) compiled by an author already dismissed by the FBI as a unreliable asset.
Either Andrew McCabe or James Comey has likely perjured himself; or both may have. Their conflicting testimonies about leaking information to the media, and the relative importance of the Steele dossier for FISA court warrants, cannot be reconciled.

And so on.

Read the whole thing. Jonah Goldberg won't, so maybe cook up a juicy Hot Twitter Headline for him, would you?

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 04:00 PM

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1 On the hour.

Posted by: HH at December 10, 2018 03:58 PM (mIJBI)

2 rd

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 10, 2018 03:58 PM (8D42x)

3 What's the deal with airplane food!?

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at December 10, 2018 03:58 PM (tDk60)

4 rd again

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 10, 2018 03:58 PM (8D42x)

5 And you think the law applies to us or who owns us.

Gawd you people are stupid.

Posted by: ABCBSNBCNNNYTIMESWAPOST at December 10, 2018 03:59 PM (UsCnO)

6 'Here, hold this incriminating evidence for me.'

Posted by: FBI at December 10, 2018 04:00 PM (tDk60)

7 How come Corrupt Robert Mueller, who has the face of a pervert, never has to answer questions like those presented VDH?

Posted by: Northernlurker, but call me Teem at December 10, 2018 04:00 PM (MkcN1)

8 Victor Davis Hanson is one of my favorites

Posted by: It's me donna at December 10, 2018 04:02 PM (O2RFr)

9 The coup rolls on.

Posted by: steevy at December 10, 2018 04:02 PM (BXMxN)

10 well, it was a nice republic. but such is human nature...

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 10, 2018 04:02 PM (8D42x)

11 The French beat us to a Revolution....viva to those yellow jacket dudes and dudettes. (I don't know how to say that in French-onese.) (also, I denounce myself for saying "French-onese")

Posted by: USMC 8541 at December 10, 2018 04:02 PM (NmR1a)

12 I don't have time to actually read columns. I'm too busy writing my next opus, The Conservative Case For Sucking Cock.

Posted by: Jonah Goldbricker at December 10, 2018 04:03 PM (QqY+m)

13 Mueller never said "pussy."
And Twitter.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at December 10, 2018 04:03 PM (koNhm)

14 >>Victor Davis Hanson is one of my favorites

He's no AceofSpades.

Posted by: FBI at December 10, 2018 04:03 PM (tDk60)

15 If Mueller will never have to answer any questions maybe his defenders, I'm thinking Jeff Flake, could be grilled.
With Flake actual grilling would be acceptable, wouldn't it?

Posted by: Northernlurker, but call me Teem at December 10, 2018 04:03 PM (MkcN1)

16 So will Jonah be hosting RealConCruises going forward now that the Captain has been marooned?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 10, 2018 04:03 PM (2LelM)

17 Jonah Goldberg hot take - my couch sez Trump is a Bad Orange Man.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at December 10, 2018 04:04 PM (AJj50)

18
Hi. Grabbing a drink and getting back to work.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 10, 2018 04:04 PM (oGNNA)

19 Colluding with Russians is bad, unless I collude with Russians to prove you colluded with Russians.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at December 10, 2018 04:04 PM (AJj50)

20 Trump will ge dogged for life when he leaves office too.

Posted by: steevy at December 10, 2018 04:05 PM (BXMxN)

21 The obsessive hatred neverTrumpers hold for Trump reveals them to be the shallow hypocrites they are.

Posted by: Northernlurker, but call me Teem at December 10, 2018 04:05 PM (MkcN1)

22 >>Trump will ge dogged for life when he leaves office too.

And 5 years before he decided to run, ALL these same people were offering to suck his dick for a slot on The Apprentice.

Posted by: garrett at December 10, 2018 04:05 PM (tDk60)

23 I'll tell you what can't be reconciled: the rule of law and these destroyers of it.

Posted by: pookysgirl isn't fluent in French either at December 10, 2018 04:06 PM (JvaZp)

24 Advice to Trump - the MOMENT Mueller announces his investigation is over pardon each and very person convicted of a process crime.

That should clear the wheat from the chaff.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at December 10, 2018 04:07 PM (AJj50)

25 17 Jonah Goldberg hot take - my couch sez Trump is a Bad Orange Man.
Posted by: Dean Wormer at December 10, 2018 04:04 PM (AJj50)

That poor couch. Just think of the farts it has suffered from.

Posted by: Northernlurker, but call me Teem at December 10, 2018 04:07 PM (MkcN1)

26 How much is he being paid?....and how?....by the hour?

Posted by: BignJames at December 10, 2018 04:07 PM (cxHbL)

27 The difference between McCarthyism and anti Trumpism is that, in the time of McCarthy, there was enough residual sense of decency left in the American people to know when an "investigative" process went too far.
That and McCarthy was largely correct.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at December 10, 2018 04:07 PM (koNhm)

28

EM HOT POCKETS FOADDY-FI!!!

Posted by: Maxine Waters' Hair at December 10, 2018 04:08 PM (GEhPL)

29 Any chance VDH lurks here.

Posted by: dantesed at December 10, 2018 04:08 PM (88xKn)

30 27 The difference between McCarthyism and anti Trumpism is that, in the time of McCarthy, there was enough residual sense of decency left in the American people to know when an "investigative" process went too far.
That and McCarthy was largely correct.
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Fifty years of a Tsunami of freeloader immigrants can do that to a country.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 10, 2018 04:08 PM (2LelM)

31 I saw ads for "Impeach 45" tee shirts at Instapundit of all places.Nice little raised fist if resistsnce graphic on the shirt too.

Posted by: steevy at December 10, 2018 04:09 PM (BXMxN)

32 The obsessive hatred neverTrumpers hold for Trump reveals them to be the shallow hypocrites they are.
Posted by: Northernlurker

Hypocrits?

No, they are pathological narcissists. The never-ending shit takes from the cruise cadre - It's rage. Pure id-level rage.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2018 04:09 PM (ZejZP)

33 The Conservative Case for Unequal Justice in stores for the Holidays. I have time since my wife is has a pass this year.

Posted by: Dave Frenchy at December 10, 2018 04:09 PM (J70i0)

34 How many republicans decide, either I be cucky and squishy, or I face this?

Literally - I will be hounded unto death.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at December 10, 2018 04:09 PM (AJj50)

35 I've been wondering for months how come no one seems to be talking to Steele in all this.

He was a prime player, and yet we don't seem to be able to get any information?

Now, if the British Government covers for him, does that not mean they are COMPLICIT in what Steele did?

I really wish Trump had gone through with publishing the FISA warrant documents.

Posted by: Don Q at December 10, 2018 04:10 PM (NgKpN)

36 Read the whole thing?
Can't, brain goes numb.
Skip to the last paragraph looking for a solution and there isn't one.

This 'game' goes on until the confidence men who are running the game have to pay a price that is more than they want to bear.

Posted by: Schuyler Saxon at December 10, 2018 04:10 PM (hrcfq)

37 I saw ads for "Impeach 45" tee shirts at Instapundit of all places.Nice little raised fist if resistsnce graphic on the shirt too.
Posted by: steevy at December 10, 2018 04:09 PM (BXMxN)

Instapundit is an online ad cesspool.

Posted by: WOPR at December 10, 2018 04:10 PM (J70i0)

38 May Justice prevail before Just Us prevails ...

Posted by: Adriane the Singing Like a Birdie Critic ... at December 10, 2018 04:10 PM (LPnfS)

39 I hope Lindsay Graham, the new AG, Mitch etc read Victor Davis, listen to Rush Limbaugh. Rush had a segment where he was saying the people who were colluding to illegally interfere with and spy on Trump's campaign and administration have got to go to prison, this obvious two tier justice system cannot be allowed to just continue.

Posted by: paleRider at December 10, 2018 04:10 PM (eASYU)

40 Just my guess, but you will never find a true conservative from West Manhattan.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 10, 2018 04:10 PM (2LelM)

41 There are Two Americas all right.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 10, 2018 04:12 PM (deEx0)

42 Meanwhile Andy McCarthy us writing about how Trump is in real legal jeopardy.Campaign finance violations...you know,like Obama and the Clintons walked on or paid fines.

Posted by: steevy at December 10, 2018 04:12 PM (BXMxN)

43 But does the average lo-fo voter know or care?

Posted by: josephistan at December 10, 2018 04:12 PM (7HtZB)

44 *types*
*deletes*
*repeats again and again*

I just can't say anything about what I want to see done to these cocksucking traitors that won't get me banned.

This is Trump's last chance to get a real AG that will actually prosecute government crimes.

The very last chance.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 10, 2018 04:13 PM (UsCnO)

45 Gabriel Malor has a similar piece over at the Federalist.
I didn't bother to read that one either.

Michael Cohen's Sentencing Memorandum Is A Roadmap For Indicting Trump

Posted by: Schuyler Saxon at December 10, 2018 04:13 PM (hrcfq)

46 With Flake actual grilling would be acceptable, wouldn't it?

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Why? Even my dogs won't eat grilled flake.

Posted by: Undocumented at December 10, 2018 04:13 PM (iQKgg)

47 People who should be in jail are locking up people for bullshit process crimes. They think this can just go on forever. I pray it won't

Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 10, 2018 04:13 PM (Nhi4D)

48

The only thing Jonah has of Victor Davis Hanson's is the latter's first two initials.

Posted by: J.J.Sefton at December 10, 2018 04:13 PM (/9p9e)

49 Directly related, word on the street is that Maria Butinia is looking for a plea deal from Mueller and his bully boys.

So look at more composing.

This shit is getting old.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 10, 2018 04:13 PM (qxq6t)

50 Well yeah. The Justice department hasn't been about real justice OR the rule of law for a long time.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 04:14 PM (bcbK8)

51 Me and Captain Billy are just good friends!

Posted by: @JonahNRO at December 10, 2018 04:14 PM (88+cf)

52 One thing VDH and most Historians has is perspective.

They are constantly filtering current events through a filter of 'Where have I see this before?'

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 04:15 PM (bcbK8)

53 VDH is awesome. I enjoy reading his material.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 10, 2018 04:15 PM (0tfLf)

54 Naked sleepovers are NOT GAY!!

Posted by: @JonahNRO at December 10, 2018 04:15 PM (88+cf)

55 Bob Mueller, the bad cop all future dirty cops will be compared to.

Posted by: Taqyia2Me at December 10, 2018 04:15 PM (Ftuf+)

56 BTW, have they revealed exactly what the crimes they're investigating are?

Posted by: andycanuck at December 10, 2018 04:16 PM (Evws/)

57 45 Posted by: Schuyler Saxon at December 10, 2018 04:13 PM (hrcfq)

Between decrying the 1st Amendment and praying for Donk victories old Gabe is set to take a cruise himself.

"AHOY Sailors!"
//SS Weekly Standard

Posted by: sven at December 10, 2018 04:16 PM (qt4GF)

58 Twitter headline for Jonah:

VDH is a real academic while I am a copy/paste hack

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 04:16 PM (bcbK8)

59 I would just love it if, when a judge gets these cases brought before him for sentencing, he just throws them all out as bullshit.

Too late for Popadopolous who has already served his sentence..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 10, 2018 04:16 PM (so+oy)

60 If Jonah G and Cap'n Bill mated they would produce the marshmallow that ate the world.

Posted by: Northernlurker, but call me Teem at December 10, 2018 04:16 PM (MkcN1)

61 Twitter headline for Jonah:

I sniff my own farts and declare them sublime

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 04:16 PM (bcbK8)

62 I

AM

THE

LAW!

Posted by: Judge Dredd Mueller at December 10, 2018 04:16 PM (cRkMZ)

63 Twitter headline for Jonah:

I like running jokes (the couch: they're his only jokes)

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 04:17 PM (bcbK8)

64 The left controls the narrative (along with their Republican allies) so mueller will go down in history as a great man where as McCarthy was drunken witch hunting scum.

Posted by: steevy at December 10, 2018 04:17 PM (BXMxN)

65 I really wish Trump had gone through with publishing the FISA warrant documents.
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My theory is that Trump will release all the unredacted documents as part of his rebuttal to Mueller's report. That should show everyone how bias the witch hunt has been.

Posted by: I'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at December 10, 2018 04:17 PM (Z/bKp)

66 56 BTW, have they revealed exactly what the crimes they're investigating are?

Posted by: andycanuck at December 10, 2018 04:16 PM (Evws/)

Jaywalking.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 10, 2018 04:17 PM (J+mig)

67 Is National Review still recommending middle Americans get a U Haul or die? Can someone update me on West Manhattan True Con Genocide?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 10, 2018 04:17 PM (2LelM)

68 I read it this morning and the the article is brilliant as VDH always is. One of the insights I got from reading it was that they were setting Trump up for prison AFTER he LOST to Hillary--in order to destroy him. But it didn't work that way.
I don't know if others have pointed that out, but this is the first time I've seen it laid out so directly.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 10, 2018 04:17 PM (NFEMn)

69 #11 vive la revolution

Posted by: andycanuck at December 10, 2018 04:17 PM (Evws/)

70 Twitter headline for Jonah:

Remember when the Corner was a diverse gathering of viewpoints speaking about current events? Me neither.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 04:17 PM (bcbK8)

71 Twitter headline for Jonah:

I got beat up a lot in High School.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 04:18 PM (bcbK8)

72 65 I really wish Trump had gone through with publishing the FISA warrant documents.
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I still wonder if he actually has anything

Posted by: It's me donna at December 10, 2018 04:18 PM (O2RFr)

73 I would just love it if, when a judge gets these cases brought before him for sentencing, he just throws them all out as bullshit.
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Federal judges as a group are more full of shit than the collusion gang.

Posted by: Undocumented at December 10, 2018 04:18 PM (iQKgg)

74
These FISA courts came out of the Patriot Act, didn't they? Did we have anything like that before that legislation was passed?

Were conservatives worried at the time that the 'process' for surveillance could be abused by dishonest political operatives for political reasons? I can't remember.

Posted by: Schuyler Saxon at December 10, 2018 04:18 PM (hrcfq)

75 Twitter headline for Jonah:

My dead dog is more beloved and respected than I am

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 04:18 PM (bcbK8)

76 I think Mueller and company hope President Trump will resign because they know they've got nothing.

The deep state still has not figured out that President Trump knows how to counter-attack and will not go quietly into the night.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 10, 2018 04:18 PM (qC1Sy)

77 Twitter headline for Jonah:

My wife is seeing other men. Help!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 04:18 PM (bcbK8)

78 but moowler is a good christian and former marine which is more than any of you faggots could say, I challenge you to a fight in the octagon (note, this offer does not apply to anyone who weighs more than 120 pounds).

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 10, 2018 04:18 PM (7J5t2)

79 My theory is that Trump will release all the unredacted documents as part of his rebuttal to Mueller's report. That should show everyone how bias the witch hunt has been.
Posted by: I'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at December 10, 2018 04:17 PM (Z/bKp)

This is the only reason/excuse I've seen that actually makes sense.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 10, 2018 04:19 PM (NFEMn)

80 65 I really wish Trump had gone through with publishing the FISA warrant documents.
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My theory is that Trump will release all the unredacted documents as part of his rebuttal to Mueller's report. That should show everyone how bias the witch hunt has been.
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He is waiting to see the Whites of Their Eyes before firing. It all swings on Pelosi. Does she want war or is she capable of avoiding war?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 10, 2018 04:19 PM (2LelM)

81 I kinda wonder just how many clicks NRO gets per author, VDH being my main exception to the Fuck Anything NRO Publishes.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2018 04:19 PM (Z4rgH)

82 Twitter headline for Jonah:

My research into Fascism has lead to a sexual attraction to Socialism

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 04:19 PM (bcbK8)

83 VDH is right but the blame falls on Sessions and Trump. And of course, the CuckGOP. You let them practice selective prosecution. If I was trump's war time consiglieri, there'd be at least one matching anti-hillary special counsel and after a year, an ethics watchdog to determine what moueeler was doing.

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84 Meet men just like yourself at Onlycucks.com!

Posted by: @JonahNRO at December 10, 2018 04:20 PM (88+cf)

85 Lurker here: I hate those ads that pop up, interfering with the headline, with the power of a thousand suns! Can't someone get rid of it?

Posted by: Kookytoots at December 10, 2018 04:20 PM (AWVZs)

86 These FISA courts came out of the Patriot Act, didn't they? Did we have anything like that before that legislation was passed?

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Church Committee - 70's

Posted by: Undocumented at December 10, 2018 04:20 PM (iQKgg)

87 >>These FISA courts came out of the Patriot Act, didn't they? Did we have anything like that before that legislation was passed?

Been around since Church Committee in the late 1970s.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 10, 2018 04:20 PM (/tuJf)

88 I thought the CFO of the Clinton Crime Syndicate was going to flip. You know, the people who actually paid for the Steele dossier.
What happened there?

Posted by: navybrat, obtuse by nature at December 10, 2018 04:20 PM (w7KSn)

89 @24

Meuller is not closing up shop until Trump leaves office whenever that is.

So we are in for at least two more years of Mueller or 6 more years.

Oh and Trump will be indicted within weeks of leaving office.

And will probably meet with an unfortunate end Whitey Bulger style.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 10, 2018 04:21 PM (qxq6t)

90 I think Mueller and company hope President Trump will resign because they know they've got nothing.
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They don't know who they are dealing with.

OTOH, it doesn't take much of an imagination to dream up the one thing that might actually get him to resign.

Harm someone near and dear to him.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 10, 2018 04:21 PM (NFEMn)

91 81 Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2018 04:19 PM (Z4rgH)

I still chuckle at he gaping hole of KD Williamson's ego being vaporized by VDH's kind words and fair warning as to what KDW had gotten in bed with.
VDH getting his prediction validated took all of 27 hours.

Posted by: sven at December 10, 2018 04:21 PM (qt4GF)

92 Were conservatives worried at the time that the 'process' for surveillance could be abused by dishonest political operatives for political reasons? I can't remember.

Posted by: Schuyler Saxon at December 10, 2018 04:18 PM (hrcfq)

Yes, some of us were.

But we were drowned out.

Just like some of us were against the effective merging of all the competing intelligence agencies... because one of the genius ideas the Founders had was to have competing agencies, so you could use one, to watch the others.

Posted by: Don Q at December 10, 2018 04:21 PM (NgKpN)

93 yeah, the only reason that makes sense about trump not declassifying the docs are one of three reasons:

1. him and moowler are playing a waiting game to drop their trump cards last. Mooweler can't do nothing until he knows what cards trump holds.

2. rosenstink convinced trump that unredacting is like obstruction or something

3. trumps guilty

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 10, 2018 04:21 PM (7J5t2)

94 Ok, it's true.

I'm only here for the blowjobs. Either way.

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at December 10, 2018 04:21 PM (UsCnO)

95 Huber will come!

Posted by: Lurker McLurky at December 10, 2018 04:22 PM (Ttdys)

96 they were setting Trump up for prison AFTER he LOST to Hillary--in order to destroy him
Yes, so no outsider would ever, ever run again.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 10, 2018 04:22 PM (Evws/)

97 Oh and Trump will be indicted within weeks of leaving office.

And will probably meet with an unfortunate end Whitey Bulger style.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 10, 2018 04:21 PM (qxq6t)

Oh they might indict him after he leaves office. But he'll never see the inside of a jail cell. He has money and lawyers will fight over defending him--now that he's out of office.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 10, 2018 04:22 PM (NFEMn)

98
Church Commission in the late '70's.

Thanks for that.

Posted by: Schuyler Saxon at December 10, 2018 04:22 PM (hrcfq)

99 @80

He's already authorized the release, he's been bullied or persuaded to turn over the release schedule to the IG.

And even if Trump decided to short circuit the IG and demand release, I can easily see nobody in the IG/DOJ/FBI axis complying with that order.

Trump is fucked and we are fucked boiling frog style.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 10, 2018 04:23 PM (qxq6t)

100 96 they were setting Trump up for prison AFTER he LOST to Hillary--in order to destroy him
Yes, so no outsider would ever, ever run again.
Posted by: andycanuck at December 10, 2018 04:22 PM (Evws/)

Ah, the Perot treatment.

The Establishment must destroy all outsiders.

Posted by: Don Q at December 10, 2018 04:23 PM (NgKpN)

101 Davis is exactly right. Partisan "justice" is nothing of the sort, and some people might be chuckling now, but they're not going to like the new rules they created when someone else is calling the shots.

Frankly, I think Mueller and his partisan team are some of the most reprehensible figures in the history of our country. They helped cover up the real collusion between the Obama Administration, his party, foreign agents and the Clinton Campaign. It makes Watergate look like a kids party at Chucky Cheese. Meanwhile we have charges like lying to the FBI, tax evasion and campaign finance violations that are minuscule compared to what Obama did. But yeah, what a real standup guy Mueller is, fucking dishonest dork.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 10, 2018 04:23 PM (VpIIl)

102 just a note on the hanson article:

the steele dossier did not arise from generic oppo research on republican primary candidates. the washington free beacon did hire fusion gps to do research on republican candidates, but the precede the steele dossier which was initiated only after the democrats hired them.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at December 10, 2018 04:24 PM (Pg+x7)

103 trump could be indicted after leaving office BUT the problem is:

1. he's rich as fuch

2. he's innocent. and there is no law he's violated.

3. it's going to be hard to prosecute him on anything, especially a legal theory that his illiterate and dishonest attorney led him to believe that he should do a legal thing in a supposedly illegal way for no reason whatsoever.

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 10, 2018 04:24 PM (7J5t2)

104 I'm beginning to think Trump really is gonna be removed... Didn't really believe it till recently

Posted by: It's me donna at December 10, 2018 04:24 PM (O2RFr)

105 Alan Dershowitz was on Prager this afternoon in a long interview and said they have no crime on President Trump yet.

Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2018 04:25 PM (/rm4P)

106 VDH getting his prediction validated took all of 27 hours.
Posted by: sven at December 10, 2018 04:21 PM (qt4GF)

What exactly do you mean?

Posted by: JoeF. at December 10, 2018 04:25 PM (NFEMn)

107 104 I'm beginning to think Trump really is gonna be removed... Didn't really believe it till recently
Posted by: It's me donna at December 10, 2018 04:24 PM (O2RFr)

Media, 24/7 Gaslighting us.

Posted by: Don Q at December 10, 2018 04:25 PM (NgKpN)

108 @97

Manefort had money and lawyers and that did not stop them from contriving a reason to jail him ahead of trial, putting him in solitary for a time where he couldn't so much as take a squairt without asking permission.

We have seen the government can literally do whatever they want.

While Trump is President he is somewhat protected but once he's a civilian, games on.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 10, 2018 04:26 PM (qxq6t)

109 105 Alan Dershowitz was on Prager this afternoon in a long interview and said they have no crime on President Trump yet.

We're working on it

Posted by: Mueller's witch hunters at December 10, 2018 04:26 PM (O2RFr)

110 104 Posted by: It's me donna at December 10, 2018 04:24 PM (O2RFr)

Maybe, I am certain the GOP will respond with the exact same ferocity they attacked Nancy Pelosi with over the attempted murder of their softball team.
IOW "nothing."

Posted by: sven at December 10, 2018 04:26 PM (qt4GF)

111 My theory is that Trump will release all the unredacted documents as part of his rebuttal to Mueller's report. That should show everyone how bias the witch hunt has been.

Posted by: I'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at December 10, 2018 04:17 PM (Z/bKp)

I thought he would have released them prior to the midterms but I'm starting to think this as well. Which also leads me to believe that Mueller is aware of this, giving him more reason to keep this farce going.

Posted by: Pine Barrens at December 10, 2018 04:26 PM (oh+79)

112 ... my computer is shorting or something. the steele dossier was entirely a democrat funded project.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at December 10, 2018 04:26 PM (Pg+x7)

113 And even if Trump decided to short circuit the IG and demand release, I can easily see nobody in the IG/DOJ/FBI axis complying with that order.

Trump is fucked and we are fucked boiling frog style.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 10, 2018 04:23 PM (qxq6t)

Those are executive agencies, and he's the chief executive. Refusing a direct, lawful order like that is grounds for firing. Promote the next in line and issue the same order, and boot people until you get down to the janitors if you have to.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 10, 2018 04:26 PM (J+mig)

114 Alan Dershowitz was on Prager this afternoon in a long interview and said they have no crime on President Trump yet.
Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2018 04:25 PM (/rm4P)

Okay, but it's the mythical power of the word "yet..." that keeps this shit show going and Maddow's ratings high.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 10, 2018 04:26 PM (NFEMn)

115 Its kind of pathetic seeing lefties talk about this. They still cling to the Russia collusion myth against all logic, truth, and evidence. They still think Meuller is about to drop the hammer on Trump. They still think that all those indictments and the three people tried equal corruption in the Trump administration despite being minor figures briefly associated with the campaign, and for things that have zero to do with Trump. And no matter what you say, no matter what proof you present, no matter what the facts are, they are utterly unshakable in this absolute certainty.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 10, 2018 04:27 PM (39g3+)

116 80 He is waiting to see the Whites of Their Eyes before firing. It all swings on Pelosi. Does she want war or is she capable of avoiding war?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 10, 2018 04:19 PM (2LelM)

Never use 'swings' and 'Pelosi' in the same sentence unless you include the word 'lamppost'.

Yes, I think is keeping his powder dry here. With both the Mueller and Horowitz reports due someday soon, plus the dingbat section of the House Dems still screaming impeachment, he can retake the headlines in a stroke.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2018 04:27 PM (Z4rgH)

117 Trump is fucked and we are fucked boiling frog style.Posted by: Kreplach at December 10, 2018 04:23 PM (qxq6t

You have now said this four times today, I think. Is this like some mantra that if you say it repeatedly it won't happen?. You can't envision ANY other possible scenario than the worst one? Not at all?.

Less worry. More prayer.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 10, 2018 04:27 PM (AllCR)

118 1. he gets impeached by the house
2. the senate which is now flake and mccain free does nothing.
3. he directs the AG to indict every congressman who did an NDA to be prosecuted for what they plan to do to him when he gets out.

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 10, 2018 04:27 PM (7J5t2)

119 56 BTW, have they revealed exactly what the crimes they're investigating are?
Posted by: andycanuck at December 10, 2018 04:16 PM (Evws/)

+++

These are hand-made, state-of-the-art, one-of-a-kind crafted crimes that you and your family will treasure for years to come!

Posted by: washrivergal at December 10, 2018 04:27 PM (rE1pK)

120 Read the article Andy McCarthy wrote over at Fox. He believes Mueller, et al will be pursuing a Campaign Finance Violation that involved Cohen, and using that as a platform for Democrats to launch impeachment hearings right into the next election. It's a perfect layup that Dick Muncher Mueller set them up for.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 10, 2018 04:27 PM (VpIIl)

121 >>I'm beginning to think Trump really is gonna be removed... Didn't really believe it till recently

For a campaign finance violation? Not a chance.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 10, 2018 04:28 PM (/tuJf)

122 I'm beginning to think Trump really is gonna be removed... Didn't really believe it till recently
Posted by: It's me donna at December 10, 2018 04:24 PM (O2RFr)

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He is not going anywhere. The House won't even vote for impeachment, much less conviction in the Senate.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 10, 2018 04:28 PM (ffYR/)

123 Enough already. Okay, I hereby sentence the Podestas to opening a cheese pizza stand at the petting zoo as punishment for all their crimes.

Satisfied?

Posted by: Robert Mueller at December 10, 2018 04:28 PM (DuAZ5)

124 104 I'm beginning to think Trump really is gonna be removed... Didn't really believe it till recently
Posted by: It's me donna at December 10, 2018 04:24 PM (O2RFr)

...

If Trump gets removed the right is going to make Antifa riots look like a kid's birthday party.

Posted by: TexasDan at December 10, 2018 04:28 PM (yL25O)

125 So hair on fire post?

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2018 04:28 PM (of+54)

126 it's also funny for the lefties who are promising political warfare against trump be all pussies when trump says I can do the same back.

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 10, 2018 04:28 PM (7J5t2)

127 My name is not mikeyG.

My comments are all lying to investigators

Posted by: mikeyG at December 10, 2018 04:29 PM (LL1Be)

128 I'm beginning to think Trump really is gonna be removed... Didn't really believe it till recently
Posted by: It's me donna at December 10, 2018 04:24 PM (O2RFr)

Media, 24/7 Gaslighting us.
Posted by: Don Q at December 10, 2018 04:25 PM (NgKpN)

They are throwing EVERYTHING out there right now. Even the kitchen sink.
They are hoping for to make perception "reality."

Posted by: JoeF. at December 10, 2018 04:29 PM (NFEMn)

129 @113

Those agencies are staffed with Obama/Clinton turtles all the way down.

You notice how Whitaker had gone as radio silent as his boss.

The new AG is going to be a Bush Uniparty stooge.

Trump is boxed in and proper fucked as are we.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 10, 2018 04:29 PM (qxq6t)

130 The added benefit in the small sense is work for over a dozen lawyers for over two years all in the 6 digit figures with maybe a unlimited travel account.

Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2018 04:29 PM (/rm4P)

131 121 >>I'm beginning to think Trump really is gonna be removed... Didn't really believe it till recently

For a campaign finance violation? Not a chance.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 10, 2018 04:28 PM (/tuJf)

...

Obama committed campaign finance violations, so there's a helpful parallel.

Paid a (relatively) small fine.

Posted by: TexasDan at December 10, 2018 04:29 PM (yL25O)

132 Meawhile demented fools like Schiff tweet and keep talking on tv as if somehow the ??? part of their Underpants Gnome scheme is just around the corner and its President Hillary time.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 10, 2018 04:29 PM (39g3+)

133 "Meanwhile we have charges like lying to the FBI, tax evasion and campaign finance violations that are minuscule compared to what Obama did."

Not to mention the mysterious unsolved MURDER of a DNC employee, Seth Rich.

Posted by: navybrat, obtuse by nature at December 10, 2018 04:29 PM (w7KSn)

134 If Trump gets removed the right is going to make Antifa riots look like a kid's birthday party.
Posted by: TexasDan at December 10, 2018 04:28 PM (yL25O)

I beg to differ.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 10, 2018 04:29 PM (NFEMn)

135 106 Posted by: JoeF. at December 10, 2018 04:25 PM (NFEMn)

Big Kev was flaming and mocking VDH when he went to work at "Duh Atlantic."
VDH wrote a complimentary piece wishing Big Kev "much needed luck."
https://tinyurl.com/y8qghms6
Money quote and why VDH has more brains at dawn than Big Kev musters by midnight.
"Sadly, I think Kevin Williamson will soon find thatNational Reviewwas far more tolerant of his controversial views than will be true at The Atlantic."
Within 27 hours of publishing Big Kev had been fired.

Posted by: sven at December 10, 2018 04:29 PM (qt4GF)

136 donna, have you learned nothing?

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at December 10, 2018 04:30 PM (FTPVM)

137 "I'm beginning to think Trump really is gonna be removed... Didn't really believe it till recently

Posted by: It's me donna at December 10, 2018 04:24 PM (O2RFr)
"

Man-up, Donna :-)

Posted by: Marcus T at December 10, 2018 04:30 PM (VpIIl)

138 The dirty secret that everybody knows is that Obama was spying on ALL of his political opponents during hia entire Reign Of Error, and Mueller was in on it from the beginning.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 10, 2018 04:30 PM (K2hsm)

139 Less worry. More prayer.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 10, 2018 04:27 PM (AllCR)
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I pray daily for the safety of President Trump and his family.

Never worried about Obama and the Clintons.

Funny, that.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 10, 2018 04:30 PM (qC1Sy)

140 whether trump is impeached or not is moot. between the mueller investigation and the house (d) inquisition, the point will be to damage him irreparably by 2020.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at December 10, 2018 04:30 PM (Pg+x7)

141 What insults me is that the Leftie anti-Trump machine recycled old crap we already knew about, and repackaged it, claiming it was something new.

It's the same old slander. He screwed some hot models a decade ago and paid them off for signing an NDA. Now, let's call it something else, and scream it while our fingers are in our ears.

Yeah, that will be convincing.

The purpose of ALL of this is to separate Trump from his followers.

No opportunity for discussion or rebuttal, NO!

Trump must burn!

Got it?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 10, 2018 04:30 PM (UsCnO)

142 ead the article Andy McCarthy wrote over at Fox. He believes Mueller, et al will be pursuing a Campaign Finance Violation that involved Cohen, and using that as a platform for Democrats to launch impeachment hearings right into the next election. It's a perfect layup that Dick Muncher Mueller set them up for.

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yes, if you change the rules so that NDA's are campaign finance reform related AND you believe Cohen when he says, via a scripted reply from the special counsel, that trump made him break the law JUST TO BREAK THE LAW...yeah sure.

McCarthy is cucking back to cucktown after his brief awakening that maybe the staid professionals in the AG and FBI and the CIA aren't actually unbiased.

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 10, 2018 04:31 PM (7J5t2)

143 This whole thing could be solved by making it a crime to defeat, or help defeat a Democrat in an election.....just saying....

Posted by: Wytshus at December 10, 2018 04:31 PM (1kJfL)

144 Those agencies are staffed with Obama/Clinton turtles all the way down.

You notice how Whitaker had gone as radio silent as his boss.

The new AG is going to be a Bush Uniparty stooge.

Trump is boxed in and proper fucked as are we.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 10, 2018 04:29 PM (qxq6

Love ya man, but can't you temper your optimism?

Posted by: JoeF. at December 10, 2018 04:31 PM (NFEMn)

145 Donna - They have Nothing

Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2018 04:31 PM (/rm4P)

146 Media, 24/7 Gaslighting us.

Posted by: Don Q at December 10, 2018 04:25 PM (NgKpN)

They are throwing EVERYTHING out there right now. Even the kitchen sink.
They are hoping for to make perception "reality."

Posted by: JoeF. at December 10, 2018 04:29 PM (NFEMn)

That's how they've gotten so far, they keep lying to your face until people believe it.

They think they've won, but they never noticed Trump changed the game.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 10, 2018 04:31 PM (J+mig)

147 so, yeah, you have to believe Cohen when he says trump ordered him to break the law to do something legal but to break the law just for the sake of knowingly breaking the law.

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 10, 2018 04:31 PM (7J5t2)

148 Egypt is being proactive.

Egypt restricts yellow vests sales to avoid copycat protests...

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 10, 2018 04:31 PM (+y/Ru)

149 115 Its kind of pathetic seeing lefties talk about this. They still cling to the Russia collusion myth against all logic, truth, and evidence. They still think Meuller is about to drop the hammer on Trump. They still think that all those indictments and the three people tried equal corruption in the Trump administration despite being minor figures briefly associated with the campaign, and for things that have zero to do with Trump. And no matter what you say, no matter what proof you present, no matter what the facts are, they are utterly unshakable in this absolute certainty.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 10, 2018 04:27 PM (39g3+)

Perfect synopsis.

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2018 04:31 PM (NLLmE)

150 love ya man, but can't you temper your optimism?
Posted by: JoeF. at December 10, 2018 04:31 PM (NFEMn)

LOL

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 10, 2018 04:32 PM (AllCR)

151 I'm beginning to think Trump really is gonna be removed... Didn't really believe it till recently

Nah, no chance. The best they'll do is get their base (especially the deep pockets rich idiots) beleiving that Trump SHOULD be removed but gosh darnit, he controls things and won't let justice be done. So we need more money and don't look behind the curtain.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 10, 2018 04:32 PM (39g3+)

152 or...the more realistic options:

1. cohen is a shitty, dishonest lawyer

2. no one did nothing wrong.

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 10, 2018 04:32 PM (7J5t2)

153 Who was the idiot having an affair and using campaign money to finance it? While his wife was dying of cancer?

Posted by: zombie Robert Fulton at December 10, 2018 04:32 PM (e1q4h)

154 Is this Huber investigation thing ever going to happen or was that all bullshit?

Posted by: Brewdog at December 10, 2018 04:32 PM (oNFAg)

155 Kreplach, check your panties.

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at December 10, 2018 04:32 PM (FTPVM)

156 @138

Sure as shit.

Obama was spying on reporters.

The press said jack and shit.

He was spying on congress.

Congress said jack and shit.

Most of the institutions are corrupt and our government is largely illegitimate.

There's going to be a reckoning.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 10, 2018 04:32 PM (qxq6t)

157 The purpose of ALL of this is to separate Trump from his followers.

Yup.

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2018 04:32 PM (NLLmE)

158 If Mueller and his band of angry left wing wingers crawled up any of our asses, we'd all be broke and in jail.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 04:33 PM (bim/x)

159 >>Obama committed campaign finance violations, so there's a helpful parallel.

>>Paid a (relatively) small fine.

It was a bigger fine than Trump is accused of paying two women.

So did Hillary Clinton. So did Bob Dole. So did John Edwards.

The exception is who didn't commit a campaign finance violation. The rules are so broad and so easily open to interpretation anything can be a campaign finance violation.

The media and the left have been gaslighting us for 2 years now with a phony Russian collusion scandal and now that we are down to nut cutting time all Mueller has is a lame campaign finance violation which is almost always a civil rather than a criminal matter.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 10, 2018 04:33 PM (/tuJf)

160 The purpose of ALL of this is to separate Trump from his followers.

Not me. Never gonna happen

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 04:33 PM (bim/x)

161 153 Who was the idiot having an affair and using campaign money to finance it? While his wife was dying of cancer?

----

john edwardos

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 10, 2018 04:33 PM (7J5t2)

162 Anyone seen the Silky Pony?

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 10, 2018 04:33 PM (of+54)

163 Troll world for the next 25 months. The "walls are closing in" or "the noose is tightening" will be the same as "hello, how are you".

Posted by: bill in arkansas at December 10, 2018 04:33 PM (xzqr4)

164 Remember when Fredo was accepting campaign donations from Gaza?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 04:34 PM (bim/x)

165 o did John Edwards.

That's the prick I was trying to remember!

If it even can be proven, quote what the leftists said then, and move on.

maybe Trump can work in an Amanda Marcotte joke while he's doing it.

Posted by: zombie Robert Fulton at December 10, 2018 04:34 PM (e1q4h)

166 The dirty secret that everybody knows is that Obama was spying on ALL of his political opponents during hia entire Reign Of Error, and Mueller was in on it from the beginning.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 10, 2018 04:30 PM (K2hsm)

Yup. But that truth is way to much for at least half of the country--including a certain 12% of the population --to handle or process. As much as I believe people want to get rid of Trump, there are also more than a few who don't want to see Obama destroyed.

Given the choice they'll destroy Trump. This is what's happening.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 10, 2018 04:35 PM (NFEMn)

167 and remember, this isn't even mooler, right? It's some dudes at SDNY. The new AG has to write campaign finance prosecutorial guidelines to stop this shit.

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 10, 2018 04:35 PM (7J5t2)

168 Most of the institutions are corrupt and our government is largely illegitimate.

There's going to be a reckoning.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 10, 2018 04:32 PM (qxq6t)

One way or the other. Kennedy had some pertinent words on the subject. Our oh-so-enlightened "elites" think that they can do anything they want with impunity.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 10, 2018 04:35 PM (J+mig)

169 yes, if you change the rules so that NDA's are campaign finance reform related AND you believe Cohen when he says, via a scripted reply from the special counsel, that trump made him break the law JUST TO BREAK THE LAW...yeah sure.

McCarthy is cucking back to cucktown after his brief awakening that maybe the staid professionals in the AG and FBI and the CIA aren't actually unbiased.
Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 10, 2018 04:31 PM (7J5t2)

Cohen was not part of the campaign, so how would he have access to campaign funds?

Posted by: Don Q at December 10, 2018 04:35 PM (NgKpN)

170 I saw ads for "Impeach 45" tee shirts at Instapundit of all places.Nice little raised fist if resistsnce graphic on the shirt too.
Posted by: steevy at December 10, 2018 04:09 PM

Well, Stephen Green, Ed Driscoll, and a couple of the newer content-keepers over at Insty (can't recall names ) might be OK with that.

Posted by: Hands at December 10, 2018 04:35 PM (786Ro)

171 Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 10, 2018 04:30 PM (qC1Sy)

I think that there are millions of people praying for Trump and I am glad. In fact, if you go over to Conservative Tree house and click on the daily f topic thread-which has picture of at the tomb of the unknown soldier and contains the Lord prayer- some wonderful woman posts a prayer every day for Trump, his family, his staff and his supporters. It' s a great encouragement.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 10, 2018 04:35 PM (AllCR)

172 Donna - They have Nothing

Posted by: Skip

Media, 24/7 Gaslighting us.

Posted by: Don Q

They are throwing EVERYTHING out there right now. Even the kitchen sink.
They are hoping for to make perception "reality."

Posted by: JoeF.

Keep the Faith.
These freaks buy ink by the barrel and spend their days printing and selling lies.

Posted by: mikeyG at December 10, 2018 04:35 PM (LL1Be)

173 Jonah and Fidel Jr. share the same hairdresser.

Posted by: Burger Chef at December 10, 2018 04:35 PM (RuIsu)

174 For a campaign finance violation? Not a chance.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 10, 2018 04:28 PM (/tuJf)

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The campaign finance angle is especially stupid. By paying her off with private funds, he benefitted himself politically. Therefore, the payoff became a campaign contribution to himself, thus becoming campaign fundsused to pay her off.

Except it wasn't. Try convictinb on that, asshats.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 10, 2018 04:35 PM (ffYR/)

175 The main thing to remember is that whatever the left accuses you of, they are already doing or would do in your place. Every single time.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 10, 2018 04:36 PM (39g3+)

176 https://1210wpht.radio.com/media/audio-channel/ray-didinger-4
Listen to the Andy McCarthy interview

Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2018 04:36 PM (/rm4P)

177 The way to counter act a Congressional inquiry is to simply start indicting all of the miscreants. Do you think a McCab, Strozk, Comey wants to testify to congress while their preparing a defense to stay out of jail? Dittos this for everyone of the Obama filth pill turtles. No one on the Left wants to be a hero. They aren't built that way.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 10, 2018 04:36 PM (2LelM)

178 Looking good for a third term for me.

Posted by: Barack The Great at December 10, 2018 04:36 PM (S6nOH)

179 160 The purpose of ALL of this is to separate Trump from his followers.

Not me. Never gonna happen

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 04:33 PM (bim/x)

He ain't perfect, not by a country mile, but he's light-years ahead of the filth that populates our government, media, and "intellectual" class.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 10, 2018 04:36 PM (J+mig)

180 Now, if the British Government covers for him, does that not mean they are COMPLICIT in what Steele did?
_________________

They were. They wanted Hillary to win. Probably already had some big donations to her "charity" already in the works. And the Brits (along w/ the Aussies) were reportedly among the "allies" asking Trump not to declassify the docs.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 10, 2018 04:37 PM (fqUgw)

181 I pray daily for the safety of President Trump and his family.

Never worried about Obama and the Clintons.

Funny, that.
Posted by: Blake

Never worried. Because I didn't care if they died.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2018 04:37 PM (W4LFA)

182 Meanwhile Andy McCarthy us writing about how Trump is in real legal jeopardy.Campaign finance violations...you know,like Obama and the Clintons walked on or paid fines.
Posted by: steevy at December 10, 2018 04:12 PM (BXMxN)

McCarthy live in a legal and moral fictional universe that doesn't exist.

Posted by: WOPR at December 10, 2018 04:37 PM (J70i0)

183 Wait, wait, did VDH actually define collusion?

I thought that was forbidden.

Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 10, 2018 04:37 PM (GbPPJ)

184 O/T -- just saw a headline somewhere that Kavanaugh and Roberts sided with the four overtly Communist Justices and with Planned Parenthood in a case before SCOTUS. Ugh.

Posted by: ShainS -- Mueller Witchhunt Survivor at December 10, 2018 04:37 PM (Yx4H0)

185 Rush said today that 264 Congress critters have created a slush fund THAT HAS PAID OUT $17 MILLION, with tax dollars to pay off this many accusers of the same thing Trump did, WITH HIS OWN MONEY.

Eric Swalwell - Democrat, and Jerry Nadler - Democrat, were supposedly two of them .

Remember that the next time these swine appear on TV.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 10, 2018 04:37 PM (UsCnO)

186 161 153 Who was the idiot having an affair and using campaign money to finance it? While his wife was dying of cancer?

----

john edwardos
Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 10, 2018 04:33 PM (7J5t2)

Who went to trial over it, 6 counts.

1 not guilty, others mistrial... no retrial.

Posted by: Don Q at December 10, 2018 04:37 PM (NgKpN)

187 Who was the idiot having an affair and using campaign money to finance it? While his wife was dying of cancer?
Posted by: zombie Robert Fulton at December 10, 2018 04:32 PM

Need more specifics to narrow it down. It's politics.

Posted by: Hands at December 10, 2018 04:37 PM (786Ro)

188
If Trump gets removed the right is going to make Antifa riots look like a kid's birthday party.

We talk a big game but when the time comes I doubt much will happen... Like usual we'll take it in the a**

Posted by: Mueller's witch hunters at December 10, 2018 04:38 PM (O2RFr)

189 100 Christians snatched in overnight raids in Sichuan province...

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Well, I hope they've got enough lions.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 10, 2018 04:38 PM (+y/Ru)

190 McCarthy and others have harped on the fact that Rosentein's mandate to Mueller was supposed to be about "Russia collusion," so there's no underlying crime specified in Mueller's instructions. I think they have it backward. If he is ever forced to account for it, Rosenstein will point out that the underlying crime, the one that justifies naming a special counsel and makes it all legal, was Manafort. It was Manafort all along. Even though the Manafort stuff wasn't a conflict for the DOJ, it at least was an identifiable crime. So all along it wasn't that Manafort was tacked on to Mueller's mandate to investigate "Russia collusion," it was the other way around.

Posted by: Brewdog at December 10, 2018 04:38 PM (oNFAg)

191 So far we haven't seen a Wrathful Trump. I'm looking forward to that. Kind of like Godzilla Tears Obama and Hillary's pussy to shreds.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 10, 2018 04:38 PM (2LelM)

192 some white shitheel called Damon Joseph plotted to blow up synagogues in Toledo, and got caught, because he's a dumbass lowlife. but the news isn't making a big thing about it.

I wonder why , ma sha'llah.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 10, 2018 04:38 PM (uqH9e)

193 French President Emanuel Macron, his political career in peril and his country engulfed in increasingly violent protests, pleaded with the countrys employers Monday to give their workers a bonus

Another commie spending other people's money

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 04:38 PM (bim/x)

194 Cohen was not part of the campaign, so how would he have access to campaign funds?

===

here's the thing, cohen had carte blanche to give any bimbo who came to him a few hundred G's. No questions asked.

He paid off McDoogle when she came forward assuming he'd be paid back from trump as was their normal course of business.

The left wants us to believe that:

1. paying off whores is now campaign funds, even if it's from a personal fund.

2. that not reporting this is THE WORST THING EVER.

3. that cohen actually talked to trump about McDoogle in particular and advised Trump to not break the law and trump said "no, break the law" and Cohen was like "ok, let's break the law because this makes sense".

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 10, 2018 04:38 PM (7J5t2)

195 Egypt is being proactive.

Egypt restricts yellow vests sales to avoid copycat protests...

--

What are the yellow vests...Samson's hair? If they're going to copycat and protest, they don't need an article of clothing.

As for this Mueller stuff, it simply boils my blood.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at December 10, 2018 04:38 PM (JoUsr)

196 O/T -- just saw a headline somewhere that Kavanaugh and Roberts sided with the four overtly Communist Justices and with Planned Parenthood in a case before SCOTUS. Ugh.
Posted by: ShainS -- Mueller Witchhunt Survivor at December 10, 2018 04:37 PM

old and busted: "Scalias all the way down"
new hotness: . . . . .

I got nuthin'

Posted by: Hands at December 10, 2018 04:39 PM (786Ro)

197 Never worried. Because I didn't care if they died.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2018 04:37 PM (W4LFA)
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I'll admit I didn't care about them, but I also never worried about something actually happening to them and their families.

But we're the violent ones....

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 10, 2018 04:39 PM (qC1Sy)

198 >>Egypt is being proactive.

Egypt restricts yellow vests sales to avoid copycat protests...

They're Fucking On Top of the Pyramids!

Posted by: Shep Smith Reporting at December 10, 2018 04:40 PM (tDk60)

199 i am hoping Kav knew he is outnumbered and is just holding his cards.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 10, 2018 04:40 PM (uqH9e)

200 Bruce Ohr: a sad case of what asian men must settle for if they are attracted to white women.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 10, 2018 04:40 PM (/qEW2)

201 If Trump gets removed the right is going to make Antifa riots look like a kid's birthday party.

We talk a big game but when the time comes I doubt much will happen... Like usual we'll take it in the a**

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I now believe that most conservatives are pussies and wouldn't riot if obama re-instituted prima nocte.

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 10, 2018 04:40 PM (7J5t2)

202 If Deepstate succeeds in removing or impeaching this president there will be hell to pay.

If the will of the people be damned then the US Government be will be damned.

Nothing will ever be the same.

Posted by: Pam at December 10, 2018 04:40 PM (qRq6C)

203 They are lighting the firewood that is stacked at their feet.

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at December 10, 2018 04:40 PM (FTPVM)

204 In order for this to fly, these clowns have to deal with CPL being subpoenaed.

That should be a hoot.

Posted by: zombie Robert Fulton at December 10, 2018 04:41 PM (e1q4h)

205 >> Christians snatched in overnight raids in Sichuan province...

You know what?

Change that order to the Sichuan Shrimp. Thanks.

Posted by: garrett at December 10, 2018 04:41 PM (tDk60)

206 "If Trump gets removed the right is going to make Antifa riots look like a kid's birthday party.

Posted by: TexasDan at December 10, 2018 04:28 PM (yL25O)"...
But before we get to that point - does anyone really expect him to sit on his hands while the Dems attempt to jail his family? There is a big difference between expecting that nobody involved in the conspiracy will be prosecuted, vs expecting that when push really comes to shove, Trump won't simply throw all these docs to the wind and let things take their course.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at December 10, 2018 04:41 PM (eAshZ)

207 185 Rush said today that 264 Congress critters have created a slush fund THAT HAS PAID OUT $17 MILLION, with tax dollars to pay off this many accusers of the same thing Trump did, WITH HIS OWN MONEY.

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this is what trump was talking about a few weeks ago.

If you want to make this illegal, then I am going to go after all of you for doing the exact same thing right now.

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 10, 2018 04:41 PM (7J5t2)

208 Bruce Ohr: a sad case of what asian men must settle for if they are attracted to white women.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 10, 2018 04:40 PM (/qEW2)

ouch...that's gonna leave a mark LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 04:41 PM (bim/x)

209 181 I pray daily for the safety of President Trump and his family.

Never worried about Obama and the Clintons.

Funny, that.
Posted by: Blake

Never worried. Because I didn't care if they died.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2018 04:37 PM (W4LFA)

LOL

Agreed

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 04:41 PM (bcbK8)

210 Those are executive agencies, and he's the chief executive. Refusing a direct, lawful order like that is grounds for firing. Promote the next in line and issue the same order, and boot people until you get down to the janitors if you have to.
Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 10, 2018 04:26 PM (J+mig)

Media and the Dems (BIRM) will scream about obstruction and Saturday Night Massacres ala Nixon and Archibald Cox.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at December 10, 2018 04:41 PM (XJktg)

211 not all Germans are nazis , but Herr Muller sure is.

Posted by: Avi at December 10, 2018 04:41 PM (kSq2k)

212 It occurred to me that Mueller took over Cohen lock, stock, and barrel, threw attorney/client privilege right in the shitter, blew out all sort of precedent and decency for completely open and unrestricted access to all Trump's secrets, and still, apparently got nothing.

How far are we supposed to let this little shit go to pursue his bullshit witch hunt??

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 10, 2018 04:41 PM (oVJmc)

213 old and busted: "Scalias all the way down"
new hotness: . . . . .
_____________

Nah, we knew Kavanaugh was an establishment squish. That's why Trump picked him. He was supposed to be an easy confirmation. Not like an actual conservative would have been.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 10, 2018 04:41 PM (fqUgw)

214 200 Bruce Ohr: a sad case of what asian men must settle for if they are attracted to white women.
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Wow. She is rough to look at.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 10, 2018 04:41 PM (2LelM)

215 my take..

Mueller has nothing on Trump during the election or afterward..

But that stupid fuck Cohen put Trump in danger with the way he handled the payoffs to the bimbos.

Now.. Trump didn't do anything wrong.. but Schiff and his band of retards in the House will - along with very willing participants in the press - sound a never ending drum beat that Trump committed campaign finance violations.. He didn't.. and for even worse violations, Obama was merely fined.. (and the press largely ignored it)

Hard to tell if the House will vote for Articles of Impeachment.. but with the way things are in D.C. now, it would not surprise me.. but then it dies in the Senate.

As it is.. Trump is a dead man walking at this point.. Losing the House means we are looking at 2 years of nothing getting done. I don't know that it much matters if he goes through a sham impeachment.

The one thing that brightens this up a bit is that he will still be putting conservative judges on the bench.. and perhaps even another SCOTUS pick..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 10, 2018 04:42 PM (so+oy)

216 193 French President Emanuel Macron, his political career in peril and his country engulfed in increasingly violent protests, pleaded with the countrys employers Monday to give their workers a bonus

Another commie spending other people's money
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 04:38 PM (bim/x)
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Saw that. It never occurs to these guys to lower taxes.

Posted by: WisRich at December 10, 2018 04:42 PM (G0vdT)

217 203 They are lighting the firewood that is stacked at their feet.

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at December 10, 2018 04:40 PM (FTPVM)

Pouring gasoline, and stacking TNT.

Fools.

If you want to imagine hell, just imagine being on the other side of Americans with nothing to lose.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 10, 2018 04:42 PM (J+mig)

218 Mueller or one of his allies got away with murdering Whitey Bulger in full sight of everyone.

Why on earth does anyone think he will have trouble arresting Trump on whatever charges he wants, when Trump leaves office?
And do you think the GOPer/Dem that replaces Trump will do anything about it?

Posted by: 18-1 at December 10, 2018 04:42 PM (cRkMZ)

219 It's just purely political and making Trump have to talk about paying off bimbos. Nothing legal will come of it for Trump.

I will say Trump screwed up actually suing Stormy Daniels over NDA bullshit. Had he just left that alone I think it would have blown over. Cohen gave him bad advice (surprise!!) just to collect more fees and litigate it.

Posted by: Blago at December 10, 2018 04:43 PM (UfkIY)

220 The purpose of ALL of this is to separate Trump from his followers.

Not me. Never gonna happen

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 04:33 PM

This Mueller shiznit wouldn't separate me from Trump.

But... no wall yet, border crossings are up. Not enough pushback against the 9th circuit judges. THAT stuff could separate me from Trump.

Posted by: Hands at December 10, 2018 04:43 PM (786Ro)

221 Saw that. It never occurs to these guys to lower taxes.
Posted by: WisRich at December 10, 2018 04:42 PM (G0vdT)

Actually he did mention lowering taxes, but it was mostly just a throw away line

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 04:43 PM (bim/x)

222 154
Is this Huber investigation thing ever going to happen or was that all bullshit?

Posted by: Brewdog at December 10, 2018 04:32 PM (oNFAg)

#TwoWeeks

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 10, 2018 04:43 PM (UsCnO)

223 215, Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 10, 2018 04:42 PM (so+oy)

That is such a depressing take..but quite realistic. sigh.

Posted by: IC at December 10, 2018 04:43 PM (a0IVu)

224 Mueller is a crook.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 10, 2018 04:43 PM (6teKQ)

225 "I now believe that most conservatives are pussies and wouldn't riot if obama re-instituted prima nocte.

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 10, 2018 04:40 PM (7J5t2)"
Typical expenditure on party favors in the last ~3 years among those in my social circle ranges from five to twenty-five grand. People are not fucking around.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at December 10, 2018 04:43 PM (eAshZ)

226 If Deepstate succeeds in removing or impeaching this president there will be hell to pay.

If the will of the people be damned then the US Government be will be damned.

Nothing will ever be the same.

Posted by: Pam at December 10, 2018 04:40 PM (qRq6C)

While I doubt our side would do "much" if they succeeded in getting rid of Trump, yeah things would never be the same. We'd no longer be "great" in all the ways we were taught. We'd be a corrupt republic on decline and our days would be numbered. It will take time--Rome wasn't destroyed in a day. But the clock would begin to tick.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 10, 2018 04:43 PM (NFEMn)

227 I now believe that most conservatives are pussies and wouldn't riot if obama re-instituted prima nocte.

We're in a culture that has been raised for several generations to believe that NOTHING is worth dying over, and in such comfort it is very difficult to give that up. But people are funny, sometimes things just snap suddenly without warning and precedent.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 10, 2018 04:43 PM (39g3+)

228 @201

You see this playing out in NJ right now.

Starting today, pretty much every NJ gun owner is a felon.

So far, crickets from gun owners.

They should be marching on Trenton but as the saying goes, The Proud Nail Gets Hammered.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 10, 2018 04:43 PM (qxq6t)

229 What are the yellow vests...Samson's hair?
--

I secretly want one and a Guy Fawk's mask to go with it. And I would get one of those 'Impeach 45' t-shirts to wear, ironically. And I would shout 'allah akbar' with an appended obscenity, ironically.

But that's just my contrarian nature. Can't help myself.

Posted by: Schuyler Saxon at December 10, 2018 04:43 PM (hrcfq)

230 18-1, so the WhiteyWhack was a case of Kill Chicken Scare Monkey...?

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 10, 2018 04:44 PM (uqH9e)

231 the smarter thing for whittaker to do is to force mooler to take on a few GOP attorneys for balance. folks who are going to leak everythjig

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 10, 2018 04:44 PM (7J5t2)

232 You see this playing out in NJ right now.

Starting today, pretty much every NJ gun owner is a felon.

So far, crickets from gun owners.

They should be marching on Trenton but as the saying goes, The Proud Nail Gets Hammered.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 10, 2018 04:43 PM (qxq6t)

Tomorrow when I drive back down to VA i am taking all my 15 capacity mags for safe keeping with a shipmate

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 04:44 PM (bim/x)

233 Macron is France's Obama. A meat puppet for the oligarchs benefit. Macron is done. He beat Obama to irrelevance by six months.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 10, 2018 04:44 PM (2LelM)

234 212 It occurred to me that Mueller took over Cohen lock, stock, and barrel, threw attorney/client privilege right in the shitter, blew out all sort of precedent and decency for completely open and unrestricted access to all Trump's secrets, and still, apparently got nothing.

How far are we supposed to let this little shit go to pursue his bullshit witch hunt??
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 10, 2018 04:41 PM (oVJmc)

The FBI raided another Trump attorney last week in Chicago. Guy who had done lots of Property work for Trump companies.

Posted by: Don Q at December 10, 2018 04:45 PM (NgKpN)

235 The New Puritans ...

SEX WON'T SELL Facebook bans users who talk about their sex lives in crackdown on anything that 'encourages sexual encounters'

Facebook has taken a hard line about 'sexual solicitation' in its new policy

Posted by: SMOD at December 10, 2018 04:45 PM (QkjLD)

236 Cohen != Trump's "lawyer"
Because attorney client- privilege is the most sacrosanct part of leftist lawfare since the People's Zit on Mao's left testicle.
Therefore the search warrant never happened.
Right, Ubergruppenmueller?

Posted by: mikeyG at December 10, 2018 04:45 PM (LL1Be)

237 If you want to imagine hell, just imagine being on the other side of Americans with nothing to lose.

And with the left back in charge, and vengeful, what do we have to gain by doing nothing? We lose everything if we sit aside.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 10, 2018 04:45 PM (39g3+)

238 oh yeah, it's true, in going after Cohen, Mueller did away with thousands of years of attorney client priv. but whatevers. it's not like the gop will do anything.

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 10, 2018 04:45 PM (7J5t2)

239 I will admit this, PDT has lousy taste in picking this rat cohen as his lawyer...

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 04:46 PM (bim/x)

240 >>What are the yellow vests...Samson's hair?

We've had yellow vest long before the French only ours are red hats.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 10, 2018 04:46 PM (/tuJf)

241 Anything else in the 'dossier' other than peeing prostitutes? If not, what's the nation security issue with the prostitutes?

Posted by: Big Dog at December 10, 2018 04:47 PM (ZbmGG)

242 Paid a (relatively) small fine.
Posted by: TexasDan at December 10, 2018 04:29 PM (yL25O)

His campaign paid the fine using the very same dollars that weren't legally collected.

Nice gig, eh?

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at December 10, 2018 04:47 PM (XJktg)

243 We talk a big game but when the time comes I doubt much will happen... Like usual we'll take it in the a**

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I now believe that most conservatives are pussies and wouldn't riot if obama re-instituted prima nocte.
Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 10, 2018 04:40 PM

Something that always bugged me about Tea Party rallies and demonstrations was the bragging about how they cleaned up after themselves after the demonstration. Oooh, look, not a single piece of litter left on the ground! That sure showed the establishment.

Just blowing smoke. Just in a spittin' mood. Sorry.

Posted by: Hands at December 10, 2018 04:47 PM (786Ro)

244 Stephen Curry says he does not believe humans have been to the moon, a stance which is clearly unsupported by facts

This ass is almost as stupid as occasional cortex

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 04:47 PM (bim/x)

245 Nah, we knew Kavanaugh was an establishment squish. That's why Trump picked him. He was supposed to be an easy confirmation. Not like an actual conservative would have been.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 10, 2018 04:41 PM (fqUgw)

Yup. That's why when the screaming poo flinging (and licking) monkey came after him, it startled the gentry.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 04:47 PM (bcbK8)

246 239 I will admit this, PDT has lousy taste in picking this rat cohen as his lawyer...

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 04:46 PM (bim/x)

weaselly bastard..

Posted by: IC at December 10, 2018 04:47 PM (a0IVu)

247 There is a big difference between expecting that nobody involved in the conspiracy will be prosecuted, vs expecting that when push really comes to shove, Trump won't simply throw all these docs to the wind and let things take their course.
Posted by: lurker (the other one) at December 10, 2018 04:41 PM (eAshZ)

If I were him, I'd have an executive order in a folder, with a title of Samson, ready to go.

"As it can be demonstrated that our main competitors, the Chinese, have gained high levels of access to all state secrets, to the point where we don't have any anymore, it is not right that the only people who don't know what the US Government is doing are the citizens responsible for it...

...as such, I hereby order every classified document in every Federal agency declassified immediately, with only the names and personally identifiable information of agents abroad and human intelligence assets to be redacted."

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 10, 2018 04:47 PM (J+mig)

248 yeah, trump showed bad judgement by picking people who ..checks notes...get in trouble for making "false" statements to the FBI when interviewed about non-crimes and when the FBI changes the stories.

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 10, 2018 04:48 PM (7J5t2)

249 Damn those yellow jacketed white guys are stealing our thunder...lay off or else Arlo Snackbarians en Paree....

who eez dis MULE ER you spic off..Le MULE-ER ROUGE?

Posted by: saf at December 10, 2018 04:48 PM (5IHGB)

250 Freedom just another word for nothing left to lose.

Posted by: Archer at December 10, 2018 04:48 PM (gmo/4)

251 I will admit this, PDT has lousy taste in picking this rat cohen as his lawyer...

He's made a lot of questionable hiring decisions, maybe that's why "you're fired" is his catch phrase

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 10, 2018 04:48 PM (39g3+)

252 235 The New Puritans ...

SEX WON'T SELL Facebook bans users who talk about their sex lives in crackdown on anything that 'encourages sexual encounters'

Facebook has taken a hard line about 'sexual solicitation' in its new policy
Posted by: SMOD at December 10, 2018 04:45 PM (QkjLD)

So, you can't self identify as Gay or any other weird sexual category anymore?

Because that is signaling what partners you are looking for...

Yes, lets follow this to a logical conclusion.

Posted by: Don Q at December 10, 2018 04:48 PM (NgKpN)

253 my take..

Mueller has nothing on Trump during the election or afterward..

But that stupid fuck Cohen put Trump in danger with the way he handled the payoffs to the bimbos.

Now.. Trump didn't do anything wrong.. but Schiff and his band of
retards in the House will - along with very willing participants in the
press - sound a never ending drum beat that Trump committed campaign
finance violations.. He didn't.. and for even worse violations, Obama
was merely fined.. (and the press largely ignored it)

Hard to tell if the House will vote for Articles of Impeachment..
but with the way things are in D.C. now, it would not surprise me.. but
then it dies in the Senate.

As it is.. Trump is a dead man walking at this point.. Losing the
House means we are looking at 2 years of nothing getting done. I don't
know that it much matters if he goes through a sham impeachment.

The one thing that brightens this up a bit is that he will still be
putting conservative judges on the bench.. and perhaps even another
SCOTUS pick..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 10, 2018 04:42 PM

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I think you are forgetting the secret audio that cbs released on Trump and cohen speaking about the pron star payoff. cohen wanted it off the books and Trump insisted it not be in cash and on the books and legal. That cat has already been belled as far as I am concerned and Trump is off any figurative hook in so far as the "payoff"* goes.

*The tell is how far the liberals are running with the pron star payoff thing, because it is all they have. It wasn't illegal, heck Congress does the exact same thing all of the time, but it all the dems have on Trump and they have to run with that or they have nothing.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 10, 2018 04:48 PM (JUOKG)

254
240 >>What are the yellow vests...Samson's hair?
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No. They are a sign of distress. France is in the ditch that the German Bankers/Industrialist crashed them into. Their only way out is to scrap the EU and EURO and return to the Franc. While painful, it is the only way France can continue as a nation.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 10, 2018 04:49 PM (2LelM)

255 O/T -- just saw a headline somewhere that Kavanaugh and Roberts sided with the four overtly Communist Justices and with Planned Parenthood in a case before SCOTUS. Ugh.

Posted by: ShainS -- Mueller Witchhunt Survivor at December 10, 2018 04:37 PM (Yx4H0)

In fairness, they declined to grant cert. That means that there is still a circuit split on this issue.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 10, 2018 04:49 PM (6teKQ)

256 Trump insisted it not be in cash and on the books and legal. That cat has already been belled as far as I am concerned and Trump is off any figurative hook in so far as the "payoff"* goes.

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right...but with mcdoogle, trump said "break the law just for the sake of breaking the law"

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 10, 2018 04:49 PM (7J5t2)

257 I, for one, do not think there will be riots if President Trump is forced from office.

I think what will happen is, potentially, a lot scarier than a riot or two.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 10, 2018 04:50 PM (qC1Sy)

258 Dogs pee on Muellers.

https://tinyurl.com/y7q8tz6t

Posted by: wth at December 10, 2018 04:50 PM (HgMAr)

259 Some think Trump will stand down if his family is harmed.

I believe that to be a grave error in thinking.

Especially if they are physically harmed...

Then...all bets are off. Because it's go-time.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 10, 2018 04:50 PM (AM1GF)

260 I will admit this, PDT has lousy taste in picking this rat cohen as his lawyer

To pay off Syphilitic Daniels?

The twenty foot pole refused the job.

Posted by: mikeyG at December 10, 2018 04:50 PM (LL1Be)

261 Think Nationally, act Locally.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 04:50 PM (bcbK8)

262 Facebook has taken a hard line about 'sexual solicitation' in its new policy
Posted by: SMOD at December 10, 2018 04:45 PM (QkjLD)
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So now it's only pictures of what people are having for lunch?

Posted by: Weasel at December 10, 2018 04:50 PM (MVjcR)

263 Mueller and his SDNY buddies have been quite cavalier about leaking evidence they think might hurt Trump. I find it difficult to believe that there exists objective evidence that Trump committed felony violations of campaign finance laws given the fact that we haven't seen it already.

Back when Cohen pleaded guilty, he pleaded to making an excessive campaign contribution. But that would mean that Cohen directed the funds, right? I mean, whose money was it? Why would they get Cohen to plead guilty to violating campaign finance law if they have evidence that Trump directed it or it was Trump's money? Of course, at that point, Cohen would have pleaded guilty to anything just to have a hope of getting out of prison before he dies.

It just seems to me that they would have had Cohen plead to a conspiracy involving Trump instead of to a straight-up charge of a campaign finance violation all on his own if they had solid evidence (a tape or a memo or whatever) that would let them pin it on Trump.

Posted by: Brewdog at December 10, 2018 04:50 PM (oNFAg)

264 i am hoping Kav knew he is outnumbered and is just holding his cards.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 10, 2018 04:40 PM (uqH9e)

gah. I thought the whole point of the lifetime appointment thing was that federal justices didn't have to worry about political games. The leftist ones certainly don't. They just let their freak flag fly.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 10, 2018 04:51 PM (/qEW2)

265 Gas is on it's way back up. Just payed $1.99/gal after it being $1.84 for over a week.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2018 04:52 PM (W4LFA)

266 By the way, this Federal Prosecutor in NYC hates PDT and is left wing...It is the Officer that asshiole indian guy came out of

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 04:52 PM (bim/x)

267 254
240 >>What are the yellow vests...Samson's hair?
-----------------------
No. They are a sign of distress. France is in the ditch that the German Bankers/Industrialist crashed them into. Their only way out is to scrap the EU and EURO and return to the Franc. While painful, it is the only way France can continue as a nation.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 10, 2018 04:49 PM (2LelM)

Yup, Macron, like Obama, is owned by the Banks.

You can tell by how the banks treat their countries... while THEY are in Office.

Hell, Obama even let Iran back into International banking as part of his agreement.

Posted by: Don Q at December 10, 2018 04:52 PM (NgKpN)

268 Steph Curry was always an asshole, and cost his team a white house visit.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 10, 2018 04:52 PM (uqH9e)

269 I think the conventional wisdom right now is that Trump is a lame duck. But I think people are underestimating the ability of the Democrats to turn the House of Representatives into an unprecedented clown show that will piss off everybody on all points of the spectrum.

Posted by: Brewdog at December 10, 2018 04:52 PM (oNFAg)

270 , for one, do not think there will be riots if President Trump is forced from office.

I think what will happen is, potentially, a lot scarier than a riot or two.
Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 10, 2018 04:50 PM (qC1Sy)

Nothing will happen--at least initially. But when the market tanks, inflation hits and millions pour over the border to the point where many people will start to think they are living in Latin America.....there will be a whole lot of blaming and finger pointing going on....

Posted by: JoeF. at December 10, 2018 04:53 PM (NFEMn)

271 I don't think "we" would riot....it is not in our nature or our hearts to destroy businesses or harm people.

Nor would a civilized people get the guillotine going 24/7, as the French did.

It will have to come in other forms of revolution.

Posted by: Pam at December 10, 2018 04:53 PM (qRq6C)

272 Steph Curry was always an asshole, and cost his team a white house visit.
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 10, 2018 04:52 PM (uqH9e)

His coach is a bigger asshole and an arab lover also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 04:53 PM (bim/x)

273 Think Nationally, act Locally.

ISWYDT.

*checks list*

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 10, 2018 04:53 PM (6teKQ)

274 239 I will admit this, PDT has lousy taste in picking this rat cohen as his lawyer...
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 04:46 PM (bim/x)

++

I have to agree completely. Just one look at his mug told me he has all the character of feral dog flea.

Posted by: washrivergal at December 10, 2018 04:53 PM (rE1pK)

275 >>I think the conventional wisdom right now is that Trump is a lame duck.

One thing about conventional wisdom, its usually wrong.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 10, 2018 04:53 PM (/tuJf)

276 Nothing will happen--at least initially. But when the market tanks, inflation hits and millions pour over the border to the point where many people will start to think they are living in Latin America.....there will be a whole lot of blaming and finger pointing going on....
Posted by: JoeF. at December 10, 2018 04:53 PM (NFEMn)

If nothing happens, then BAD on us.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 04:53 PM (bim/x)

277 yeah, what gets me is that there's some troop of burrowed in SDNY lawyers that are obviously conflicted and biased.

again, trump's war time consiglieri (who I don't think is that good and quite a doof) has advised him not to fire these guys.

Basically, he has all the time in the world, the sdny goons can build whatever case they want because they can't do nothing. Once trump is private citizen, they can hope that:

1. he's not rich and won't have a gofundme to fight them.

2. that they'll still be employed

3. trump won't get pardoned automatically

4. trump doesn't indict every democrat member of congress who used an NDA WITHOUT REPORTING IT which would force detente in an instant, and possibly a rewriting of the laws.

and

5. there won't be an ethics investigation on them for their biased political hackery.

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 10, 2018 04:54 PM (7J5t2)

278 By the way, this Federal Prosecutor in NYC hates PDT and is left wing...It is the Officer that asshiole indian guy came out of
----

Preening Prareet: Obama's SDNY dick-ring

Posted by: mikeyG at December 10, 2018 04:54 PM (LL1Be)

279 A stupid basketball player?

Unpossible.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 10, 2018 04:54 PM (oVJmc)

280
It just seems to me that they would have had Cohen plead to a conspiracy involving Trump instead of to a straight-up charge of a campaign finance violation all on his own if they had solid evidence (a tape or a memo or whatever) that would let them pin it on Trump.
Posted by: Brewdog at December 10, 2018 04:50 PM (oNFAg)

So, in essence they got Cohen on the fact that he did not Bill Trump for the Payments?

And because he did not bill him and he was running for President, that became a Political donation?

Wow.... that's a real stretch.

Posted by: Don Q at December 10, 2018 04:54 PM (NgKpN)

281 Paid in the $2.6x range today, had to get a little to get home.

Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2018 04:55 PM (/rm4P)

282 257
I, for one, do not think there will be riots if President Trump is forced from office.

I think what will happen is, potentially, a lot scarier than a riot or two.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 10, 2018 04:50 PM (qC1Sy)
that line from the kid in The Sixth Sense keeps popping up in my mind telling us what he sees.

that's what everyone will see.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 10, 2018 04:55 PM (UsCnO)

283 I think the conventional wisdom right now is that Trump is a lame duck.

One thing about conventional wisdom, its usually wrong.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 10, 2018 04:53 PM (/tuJf)

Especially with everyone focused on the Holidays right now.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 10, 2018 04:55 PM (NFEMn)

284 inflation hits and millions pour over the border to the point where many people will start to think they are living in Latin America.....there will be a whole lot of blaming and finger pointing going on....
Posted by: JoeF. at December 10, 2018 04:53 PM (NFEMn)

If nothing happens, then BAD on us.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 04:53 PM (bim/x)

Joe? /looks around... his Central Calif home...

Uh....

Posted by: Don Q at December 10, 2018 04:56 PM (NgKpN)

285
again, trump's war time consiglieri (who I don't think is that good and quite a doof) has advised him not to fire these guys.

On the way out of office, Trump fires the entire office, down to the guy who delivers lunch.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 10, 2018 04:56 PM (oVJmc)

286 By the way, this Federal Prosecutor in NYC hates PDT and is left wing...It is the Officer that asshiole indian guy came out of
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 04:52 PM (bim/x)

Preet Bharara is the slimy tool you are thinking of, and his cronies are the ones trying to get Trump on anything and everything thay they can dredge up from that fever swamp that is the "Justice" Department.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at December 10, 2018 04:56 PM (XJktg)

287 @270 I, for one, do not think there will be riots if President Trump is forced from office.

I don't think there will be riots. Not in the French sense. Not in the Antifa sense.

I think lots of things will oops get broken. I think some things might mysteriously catch fire. Some things that worked fine on Friday will be mysteriously inoperable on Monday and a pro-forma investigation by the local sheriff will turn up no suspects.

Posted by: Brewdog at December 10, 2018 04:56 PM (oNFAg)

288 As it is.. Trump is a dead man walking at this point..

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Early night.

Posted by: mikeyG at December 10, 2018 04:56 PM (LL1Be)

289 Preet Bharara is the slimy tool you are thinking of, and his cronies are the ones trying to get Trump on anything and everything thay they can dredge up from that fever swamp that is the "Justice" Department.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at December 10, 2018 04:56 PM (XJktg)

Schumer's boy.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 10, 2018 04:57 PM (NFEMn)

290 182 McCarthy live in a legal and moral fictional universe that doesn't exist.

Posted by: WOPR at December 10, 2018 04:37 PM (J70i0)

He also wrote in October 2017 that the infamous Steele dossier must be partly factual because he could not fathom that fellow career prosecutor, James Comey, "would have countenanced an investigation based on nothing." (from American Greatness)

He also wrote glowing words about Fitzgerald and Mueller -- Not exactly a reliable character witness, now is he? He's a hack.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2018 04:57 PM (Z4rgH)

291
Joe? /looks around... his Central Calif home...

Uh....
Posted by: Don Q at December 10, 2018 04:56 PM (NgKpN)
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Ah, Central Valley denizen? My wife and I are hoping to flee before things go pear shaped.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 10, 2018 04:57 PM (qC1Sy)

292 Joe? /looks around... his Central Calif home...

Uh....
Posted by: Don Q at December 10, 2018 04:56 PM (NgKpN)

Northern NJ.....

Posted by: JoeF. at December 10, 2018 04:58 PM (NFEMn)

293 My wife and I are hoping to flee before things go pear shaped.

Listen for the choppers and pop smoke.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 10, 2018 04:58 PM (6teKQ)

294
O/T -- just saw a headline somewhere that Kavanaugh and Roberts sided
with the four overtly Communist Justices and with Planned Parenthood in
a case before SCOTUS. Ugh.

Posted by: ShainS -- Mueller Witchhunt Survivor at December 10, 2018 04:37 PM (Yx4H0)

In fairness, they declined to grant cert. That means that there is still a circuit split on this issue.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 10, 2018 04:49 PM

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Plus it was case where the Courts had to decide if individual Citizens could sue State Governments on how their tax money was being spent. It was rightly doomed from the beginning.

It had nothing to do with abortion or PP.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 10, 2018 04:59 PM (JUOKG)

295 This Mueller shiznit wouldn't separate me from Trump.

But... no wall yet, border crossings are up. Not enough pushback against the 9th circuit judges. THAT stuff could separate me from Trump.

Posted by: Hands at December 10, 2018 04:43 PM (786Ro)
..........

I agree, he also just signed two week gubmint funding extension. December 21st approaching fast.

Posted by: wth at December 10, 2018 04:59 PM (HgMAr)

296 Nothing will happen--at least initially. But when the market tanks, inflation hits and millions pour over the border to the point where many people will start to think they are living in Latin America.....there will be a whole lot of blaming and finger pointing going on....
Posted by: JoeF.

Pointing a barrel, not a finger.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2018 05:00 PM (W4LFA)

297 As it is.. Trump is a dead man walking at this point..

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Early night.

Posted by: mikeyG at December 10, 2018 04:56 PM (LL1Be)
...........

Walls are closing in.

Posted by: wth at December 10, 2018 05:00 PM (HgMAr)

298 Wild ride on the Dow today

24,423.26+34.31 (+0.14%)

but the day's range was 23,881.37 - 24,500.81

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 10, 2018 05:01 PM (6teKQ)

299 He's flailing. Also failing.

Macron announces an end of year bonus with no tax for all employees.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 10, 2018 05:01 PM (+y/Ru)

300 sure, trmp's done, that's why comey just lied his ass off in front of congress for 8 hours explaining he was basically playing golf throughout 2016 and didn't involve himself with things like investigating stuff.

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 10, 2018 05:01 PM (7J5t2)

301 He is our bad orange man riot.
Go read Kurt at Townhall on the French riots.

Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2018 05:01 PM (/rm4P)

302 As it is.. Trump is a dead man walking at this point..

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Early night.

Posted by: mikeyG at December 10, 2018 04:56 PM (LL1Be)

...........

Walls are closing in.

Posted by: wth at December 10, 2018 05:00 PM

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It's literally the beginning of the end for Trump........

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 10, 2018 05:01 PM (JUOKG)

303 But... no wall yet, border crossings are up. Not enough pushback against the 9th circuit judges. THAT stuff could separate me from Trump.

Yeah, stuff like no fight against voter fraud, not pursuing Clintons, that's the stuff that's building frustration and annoyance in me. I think he's pretty much only really interested in fixing the business end of the nation, but without the other, its like priddying up the paintwork on the titanic.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 10, 2018 05:01 PM (39g3+)

304 no wall yet, border crossings are up. Not enough pushback against the 9th circuit judges. THAT stuff could separate me from Trump.

Posted by: Hands at December 10, 2018 04:43 PM (786Ro)

Separate you from Trump to go where exactly?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 05:01 PM (bim/x)

305 HOW FAST can the new AG be confirmed? Because as of now, Mueller appears to have no supervision. I want the new AG to get in ASAP and have two demands for Mueller:

1). Wrap this up already.
2). No fucking "report". Either bring indictments, or pack the fruitless investigations away.

Posted by: Serious Cat at December 10, 2018 05:01 PM (Xqo6t)

306 This Mueller shiznit wouldn't separate me from Trump.

But... no wall yet, border crossings are up. Not enough pushback against the 9th circuit judges. THAT stuff could separate me from Trump.

Posted by: Hands at December 10, 2018 04:43 PM (786Ro)
..........

I agree, he also just signed two week gubmint funding extension. December 21st approaching fast.
Posted by: wth

Trump could shoot someone on 5th Ave without losing me.

#WarBitchez.
#WeDidn'tStartTheFire

Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2018 05:02 PM (W4LFA)

307 Trump is the only one between us and Leftists

Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2018 05:02 PM (/rm4P)

308 We've allowed without much comment upwards of 30 million illegals into our country and signed up for the whole shebang of money, housing, schooling, medical care, food, legal advice, etc.,etc. for a large percentage of them. I have seen no riots over this. I do not foresee much upset if Trump were evicted either.

Posted by: washrivergal at December 10, 2018 05:03 PM (rE1pK)

309 Nood AHOY!

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at December 10, 2018 05:03 PM (XJktg)

310 Trump is the only one between us and Leftists

No, He's just the speed bump. The only one between us and leftists is each other as Americans. Government will not save us, we have to do it ourselves, the American way.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 10, 2018 05:03 PM (39g3+)

311 308 We've allowed without much comment upwards of 30 million illegals into our country and signed up for the whole shebang of money, housing, schooling, medical care, food, legal advice, etc.,etc. for a large percentage of them. I have seen no riots over this. I do not foresee much upset if Trump were evicted eith

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well, we stood by for THAT because the left siad it would be racist to not want that

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 10, 2018 05:04 PM (7J5t2)

312 "Trump could shoot someone on 5th Ave without losing me."

if he misses and accidentally wings JJ Sefton, I might get upset.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 10, 2018 05:04 PM (uqH9e)

313 @305

Well he needs to officially nominate one, which he hasn't

There are roughly two weeks left in the Senate calendar.

So the new AG won't be seated until mid-late January.

Which means Trump will not have new AG until February-March time frame.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 10, 2018 05:05 PM (qxq6t)

314 IMO, nothing shouts that the entire operation was a CIA/FBI "get Trump" plot more than the fact that Rinat Akhmetshin was at the Trump Tower meeting w Don Jr (just happened to "tag along w Natalia") and he was also at the Halifax International Security Forum days after Trump won the election. Of course, also at the Forum were McCain and his unctuous aide, David Kramer, who met Steele in the UK because of the Trump dirt Andrew Wood provided.

Posted by: Ever at December 10, 2018 05:09 PM (1Zh0U)

315 Why on earth does anyone think he will have trouble arresting Trump

Who's going to go thru the Secret Service that's been eating 5 star for 8 years and Trump's private security to do it?

Posted by: MediaPansies at December 10, 2018 05:13 PM (FhXTo)

316 180 Now, if the British Government covers for him, does that not mean they are COMPLICIT in what Steele did?

****

Rob Goldstone set up Don Jr for the Trump Tower meeting. He is a Brit and would not be surprised if GCHQ didn't "suggest" the meeting.

Posted by: Ever at December 10, 2018 05:15 PM (1Zh0U)

317 It's high time that we give up on this hopeless loser of a MAGHAT and get on with the promising work of finding the next Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: Frenchy La Davide at December 10, 2018 05:33 PM (x+yK4)

318 At the end of the day, the military is behind Trump. Trump will not be removed. They don't want a hard coup, but if that is the only option, it will happen. Why do you think Obama spent so much time trying to dilute and weaken military culture and removed so many generals?

Posted by: azjaeger at December 11, 2018 01:18 AM (3/XaG)

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