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Families of Hostages Held by Iran: "We Will Remain Quiet No Longer"

Weird, I keep hearing about this Jamal Kashoggi fellow but I never heard much about the Americans still held hostage by Iran when Obama was delivering them $150 billion.

I'm sure there are reasons for that.

Families of hostages held by Iran, including Americans, declared in an open letter this week to world leaders, media outlets and human-rights organizations that they "shall remain quiet no longer."

"We come from many countries, with different backgrounds and different perspectives, but we have banded together now to come to you as one voice," they wrote, noting that in September, on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly, "several of our families gathered together for the first time to share stories and struggles about getting our loved ones released."

"We met again a few weeks ago, this time to share our testimonies with the UN Special Rapporteur on the human rights situation in Iran," they added. "The similarities between our loved ones’ cases is striking. Each story is not just a case of arbitrary detention, but deliberate and tactical moves by the Iranian authorities to secure bargaining chips."

The coalition includes the family of hostage Baquer Namazi, 82, who was arrested in Tehran in February 2016 after trying to secure the release of his son, Siamak Namazi, a U.S. citizen and businessman who was arrested in October 2015 while visiting a friend in Tehran.

Read the whole thing and then ask yourself why the media only seems to care about the information op being run on us by the Turkey-Iran-Qatar access.

It might have something to do with the media relying on the liberal Brookings Institution to tell them what foreign news is important and worth covering, and which isn't.

And it might have to do with Qatar paying huge money to the Brookings Institution.

From Wikipedia:

An investigation by The New York Times, reported on September 6, 2014, found the Brookings Institution to be among more than a dozen Washington research groups to have received payments from foreign governments while encouraging U.S. officials to encourage support for policies aligned with those foreign governments' agenda.[108]

The New York Times published documents showing that Brookings Institution accepted grants from Norway with specific policy requests and helped the country gain access to U.S. government officials, as well as other "deliverables".[109][110] In June 2014, Norway agreed to make an additional $4 million donation to Brookings.[108] Several legal specialists who examined the documents told the paper that the language of the transactions "appeared to necessitate Brookings filing as a foreign agent" under the Foreign Agent Registration Act.[110]

The Qatari government was named by The New York Times as "the single biggest foreign donor to Brookings", having reportedly made a $14.8 million, four-year contribution in 2013. A former visiting fellow at a Brookings affiliate in Qatar reportedly said that "he had been told during his job interview that he could not take positions critical of the Qatar government in papers".[108] Brookings officials denied any connection between the views of their funders and their scholars' work, citing reports that questioned the Qatari government's education reform efforts and criticized its support of militants in Syria. However, Brookings officials reportedly acknowledged that they meet with Qatari government officials regularly.[108]

Of course, Brookings is just one of Qatar's smaller investments.



Posted by: Ace of Spades at 03:00 PM




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Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 10, 2018 02:57 PM (GBteo)

2 2

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 10, 2018 02:57 PM (GBteo)

3 and 3

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 10, 2018 02:57 PM (GBteo)

4 okay, now I shall summon the others.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 10, 2018 02:58 PM (GBteo)

5 I'm starting to think that the Media has a political agenda, rather than a public service information purpose.

*taps temple with forefinger*

Getting woke, yo

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 02:59 PM (bcbK8)

6 Amazing that they were silent during the "Reign of Error" under Obama no?

Posted by: sven at December 10, 2018 02:59 PM (qt4GF)

7 Qatar's an island, right? See, increasing global warming helps fight terrorism. Burn that fuel, bitches!

Posted by: Who is broseidon, semi-official komodo dragon shifter? at December 10, 2018 02:59 PM (oZ6kz)

8 I seem to recall Qatar donating money to the Clinton Foundation, too, no?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 10, 2018 02:59 PM (GBteo)

9 Hamas cease fire = Hamas rest and refit

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 03:00 PM (bcbK8)

10 And in unrelated news, reports are burbling to the surface that Maria Butinia is "looking for a plea deal"


Which means Muller and his bully boys are threatening her with some serious jail time unless she sings and composes.


This shit is getting old.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 10, 2018 03:00 PM (qxq6t)

11

Extortion??

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at December 10, 2018 03:00 PM (eC1xx)

12 7 Qatar's an island, right? See, increasing global warming helps fight terrorism. Burn that fuel, bitches!
Posted by: Who is broseidon, semi-official komodo dragon shifter? at December 10, 2018 02:59 PM (oZ6kz)

Not quite an island yet, but inshallah, with the seas rising and all...

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 10, 2018 03:00 PM (GBteo)

13 I always hear that Arabs invented math or whatever, but they sure suck at it.

That's only $400, Achmed. Qatar shorted you badly on that $15M.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 10, 2018 03:00 PM (AzW6q)

14 Guy in the picture only has $400.00


Posted by: Roland THTG at December 10, 2018 03:00 PM (88+cf)

15 How many hostages has Mueller taken so far?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 10, 2018 03:01 PM (2LelM)

16 $150 billion was found somewhere in the budget to give to Iran, but not 6 billion to build the Wall.

Posted by: josephistan at December 10, 2018 03:01 PM (7HtZB)

17
All the women around the world....
want a phoney Rock Star....

That plays Qatar.

~John Cougar Mellencamp

Posted by: fixerupper at December 10, 2018 03:01 PM (8XRCm)

18 In a move so bitchy that were I ever in charge of a country, I would do it, Saudi Arabia is going to turn Qatar into an island.


https://tinyurl.com/y8kedypa

The part that launches this plan into me level bitchy is not just turning Qatar into an island, it's storing nuclear waste along the new canal.

That's commitment to cause right there.

Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 10, 2018 03:02 PM (GbPPJ)

19 >>Guy in the picture only has $400.00


And he's headed straight for the Petting Zoo.

Posted by: garrett at December 10, 2018 03:02 PM (tDk60)

20 ugh. China and Iran are just evil.

Posted by: IC at December 10, 2018 03:02 PM (a0IVu)

21 But we need to focus on justice for Kashoogi, the Patron Saint of Journalistic Integrity and Human Goodness.
These people are just intolerant islamaphobic racist xenophobes~!

Posted by: The Left at December 10, 2018 03:02 PM (8tNRg)

22 'Cease fire'. Definition; stand there while we rearm with missiles, ammunition and bury the bodies.

I would love to wake up one morning to the news that Israel swept down and took back gaza killing all males over 16 and sending everyone else to Iran.

Who cares what the UN would say. They always say that shit no matter what Israel does. Might as well get some jollies for it.

Posted by: jakee308 at December 10, 2018 03:02 PM (hci5m)

23 14 Guy in the picture only has $400.00


Posted by: Roland THTG at December 10, 2018 03:00 PM (88+cf)

+++

He seems delighted with it though.

Posted by: washrivergal at December 10, 2018 03:02 PM (rE1pK)

24 This is crazy talk! We got the hostages back from Iran years ago!

Posted by: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez at December 10, 2018 03:02 PM (sf1AO)

25
Maria Buttinya??

Posted by: fixerupper at December 10, 2018 03:02 PM (8XRCm)

26 8 I seem to recall Qatar donating money to the Clinton Foundation, too, no?
_________________

Probably. All the best crooks did.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 10, 2018 03:02 PM (fqUgw)

27 Extortion??

I wonder how the 4 guys kept in jail to cover Whitey Berger made out ... after it all blew over ...

Posted by: Adriane the Singing Like a Birdie Critic ... at December 10, 2018 03:03 PM (LPnfS)

28 6 Amazing that they were silent during the "Reign of Error" under Obama no?

Brookings has never been silent, but I guess the press has previously blown out enough foil chaff to obscure their funding.

You see all kinds of Brookings hoes getting Brookings backing, not sure about the funding levels but Clinton's troll Reich is certainly among them.

Posted by: JEM at December 10, 2018 03:03 PM (8erNz)

29 At this point, I'd bring Khashoggerjee (as the Brits say) back to life just so bin-Salman could dismember him again.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 10, 2018 03:03 PM (UnA8+)

30 16
$150 billion was found somewhere in the budget to give to Iran, but not 6 billion to build the Wall.

Posted by: josephistan at December 10, 2018 03:01 PM (7HtZB)


$6 Billion? Never heard that number before.

Posted by: Clinton Office of Secretary of State at December 10, 2018 03:03 PM (jGvbj)

31 Qatars and Cadillacs was Dwight Yokam's best tune.

Posted by: garrett at December 10, 2018 03:03 PM (tDk60)

32 Is Qatar pronounced "Cutter" or "Gutter" this week?

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at December 10, 2018 03:03 PM (hjaPQ)

33 16 $150 billion was found somewhere in the budget to give to Iran, but not 6 billion to build the Wall.
Posted by: josephistan at December 10, 2018 03:01 PM (7HtZB)

Well, see, when the Shah was deposed, Iran had a large amount of money in the US, some / most of which I believe was on deposit with Boeing for some planes or whatnot. The US govt seized the money, and IIRC, used that money to pay out the US victims of post-revolution Iran.

So Obama decided to give the new government the money back with interest.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 10, 2018 03:03 PM (GBteo)

34 Under every yellow jacket is an Iranian agent of the Tsar!

Posted by: Max Boot at December 10, 2018 03:03 PM (DuAZ5)

35 Who cares what the UN would say. They always say that shit no matter what Israel does. Might as well get some jollies for it.
---------------------------
Hey, the UN has divisions upon divisions worth of horny blue helmets. You don't want to rile them up.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 10, 2018 03:04 PM (2LelM)

36 Is Qatar pronounced "Cutter" or "Gutter" this week?
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis


AFAIK, it's still Cutter.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 10, 2018 03:04 PM (W4LFA)

37 willowed:

We need a What's My Line for AoS.

My favorite would be a tall, willowy, volleyball player nicknamed "Spike". She is the secret identify of AtC.

Years of trolling us.

Although those blessed Victory pictures of treasured memory do not seen to go with willowy.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 10, 2018 03:04 PM (hyuyC)

38 Perfectly in keeping with the elite/left/globalist formula:

IF [action|situation|scenario] == "bad or the west" OR "good for enemies of the west" THEN assessment="good" ELSE assessment="bad" END

The only exception is if the action/situation/scenario is neutral for the west but bad for the United States. In that case, the assessment will be either "neutral" or "good" depending on specific publication.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 10, 2018 03:04 PM (I2dne)

39 Hail Satan!

Posted by: moslem Devil worshipper at December 10, 2018 03:04 PM (eAZVt)

40 I've never understood what the upside of being quiet about these outrages is. I'm not a big proponent of suffering in silence when some of the fuckheads on "our side" aren't doing a damn thing and that absolutely included Cock Curious.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 10, 2018 03:04 PM (y7DUB)

41 32 Is Qatar pronounced "Cutter" or "Gutter" this week?
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at December 10, 2018 03:03 PM (hjaPQ)

Ka-Tar!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 10, 2018 03:04 PM (ycWCI)

42 It's funny when freedom of the press becomes 'truth is sold to the highest bidder'.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 10, 2018 03:04 PM (DodRu)

43 The part that launches this plan into me level bitchy is not just turning Qatar into an island, it's storing nuclear waste along the new canal.

------

More than any other factor, what brought the North American Crocodile from the brink of extinction was that an Army nuclear reactor's runoff moat created a perfect brackish environment for them.

So, the US has perfected nuclear-crocodile-moatology, and we should share this with Saudi.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 10, 2018 03:04 PM (AzW6q)

44 If the Saudis do dig that canal, they should heap the sand all on the Qatari side.

Posted by: TexasDan at December 10, 2018 03:05 PM (yL25O)

45 >>Is Qatar pronounced "Cutter" or "Gutter" this week?


It will always be Shithole to me.

Posted by: J. Peterman at December 10, 2018 03:05 PM (tDk60)

46 32 Is Qatar pronounced "Cutter" or "Gutter" this week?
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at December 10, 2018 03:03 PM (hjaPQ)

My Saudi friend pronounces it in a way that sounds to me like "Kuh-Tur," but with some Arabic sounds I'm not sure I could really reproduce

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 10, 2018 03:05 PM (GBteo)

47

Anyone remember when shithead Bush awarded that huge security contract to United Arab Emirates (?)?

And Rush Limbaugh defended it?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at December 10, 2018 03:05 PM (eC1xx)

48 Qatar doesn't care about your feelings!

Posted by: Ben Shapiro at December 10, 2018 03:05 PM (DuAZ5)

49 OT; listening to Babs Streisand singing 'My favorite things' and she is wailing through the song making it sound like a damn funeral dirge.

Posted by: IC at December 10, 2018 03:05 PM (a0IVu)

50 400 USD is like 10 million local middle eastern currency.

Posted by: Someguy at December 10, 2018 03:06 PM (h5Df3)

51 Ka-Tar!
---
That's how I say it, but I just abandoned "Peking" a couple of years ago.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at December 10, 2018 03:06 PM (hjaPQ)

52 48 Qatar doesn't care about your feelings!
Posted by: Ben Shapiro at December 10, 2018 03:05 PM (DuAZ5)

That IS a binary choice!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 10, 2018 03:06 PM (ycWCI)

53 The Left wants us all dead. They side with our enemies..But it is they who will be lined up against that wall first. See Russia and Lenin

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 03:06 PM (bim/x)

54 51 Ka-Tar!
---
That's how I say it, but I just abandoned "Peking" a couple of years ago.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at December 10, 2018 03:06 PM (hjaPQ)

*fistbump*

Constantinople.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 10, 2018 03:06 PM (ycWCI)

55 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 10, 2018 03:05 PM (GBteo)

Caucasians have to have drunk a glass of milk and have a really bad case of bronchial pneumonia to make the sounds necessary.

Posted by: jakee308 at December 10, 2018 03:07 PM (hci5m)

56 Is Qatar pronounced "Cutter" or "Gutter" this week?


There are 'clicking' sounds involved.

Posted by: Roland THTG at December 10, 2018 03:07 PM (88+cf)

57 Ceylon.

Burma.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 10, 2018 03:07 PM (AzW6q)

58 I went to check, 400 USD is 16.8 million iranian rial.

Posted by: Someguy at December 10, 2018 03:07 PM (h5Df3)

59 Anyone remember when shithead Bush awarded that huge security contract to United Arab Emirates (?)?

And Rush Limbaugh defended it?



When did we do the deal with Fat Leonard for the Seventh Fleet maintenance?

Every upscale Far East escort wants to know.

Posted by: JEM at December 10, 2018 03:07 PM (8erNz)

60 in other news, rick steeves is still a cuck.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 10, 2018 03:07 PM (KP5rU)

61 46 32 Is Qatar pronounced "Cutter" or "Gutter" this week?
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at December 10, 2018 03:03 PM (hjaPQ)

My Saudi friend pronounces it in a way that sounds to me like "Kuh-Tur," but with some Arabic sounds I'm not sure I could really reproduce
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 10, 2018 03:05 PM (GBteo)

You have to start saying the word, clear your throat and continue speaking as if nothing out of the ordinary has happened to pronounce it correctly.

It's like German in a way, beautiful language.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 03:07 PM (bcbK8)

62 I still say Peking. People used to laugh when I talked about St. Petersburg. Not anymore.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 10, 2018 03:07 PM (DodRu)

63 57 Ceylon.

Burma.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 10, 2018 03:07 PM (AzW6q)

Please...Siam.

Posted by: IC at December 10, 2018 03:08 PM (a0IVu)

64 here's some dude who sounds like he speaks arabic pronouncing it. Not sure where his accent is from though

https://tinyurl.com/ybbetsdh

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 10, 2018 03:08 PM (GBteo)

65 That's how I say it, but I just abandoned "Peking" a couple of years ago.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at December 10, 2018 03:06 PM (hjaPQ)


Sounds like me and Saigon.

Posted by: tu3031 at December 10, 2018 03:08 PM (sf1AO)

66 Siam bisches.

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2018 03:08 PM (NLLmE)

67 That's how I say it, but I just abandoned "Peking" a couple of years ago.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at December 10, 2018 03:06 PM (hjaPQ)
+++++++++++
I was once helping a friend who was returning home to Vietnam through the airport check-in process. This was probably 2003ish. When tracing her full itinerary - which routed her through Taiwan and Beijing - they had trouble. The ticket clerk asked if we knew the old names of those places. I provided "Formosa and Peking" and up the itinerary came. At that time, I guess, the old place names were still in that system. I forget the airline's name.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 10, 2018 03:08 PM (I2dne)

68 nuke em..

And apologize to the families of the hostages.. Sorry.. collateral damage. needed to be done.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 10, 2018 03:08 PM (so+oy)

69 It's, "Qatarzan."

Posted by: Ray Stevens at December 10, 2018 03:08 PM (jGvbj)

70 Is Qatar pronounced "Cutter" or "Gutter" this week?



You say Cutter. I say Gutter
Cutter Gutter Cutter Gutter
Let's call the whole thing off

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 10, 2018 03:08 PM (SiINZ)

71 The Brookings Institution is FARA registered, right?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 10, 2018 03:08 PM (t6MX/)

72 Obama gave Iran pallets of money, in the billions, just so they could go ahead and put the final touches on their nuclear warheads.
Yet, Trump is in big trouble, because, because, because, what? Meryle Streep says she is afraid of Trump?

Posted by: washrivergal at December 10, 2018 03:08 PM (rE1pK)

73 Always said Barak had a soft spot for Muzzies, Iranians especially.

Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2018 03:08 PM (/rm4P)

74 21 But we need to focus on justice for Kashoogi, the Patron Saint of Journalistic Integrity and Human Goodness.
_____________

Yep, a Muslim Brotherhood terrorist-apologist opinion writer who wasn't a U.S. citizen or a journalist and wasn't killed in the U.S. or on its territory, so clearly a most pressing matter to which the U.S. media must devote 24/7 attention.

Meanwhile, when an actual U.S. citizen and actual journalist like Daniel Pearl gets his head sawed off with a rusty knife, the U.S. media doesn't give a shit and gives it only perfunctory coverage.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 10, 2018 03:08 PM (fqUgw)

75 58 I went to check, 400 USD is 16.8 million iranian rial.

How many Venezuelan dollars? Remember, there's one answer at the time you start typing, and one answer before the 'post'.

Posted by: JEM at December 10, 2018 03:08 PM (8erNz)

76 I forget the airline's name.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 10, 2018 03:08 PM (I2dne)

------

It was United.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 10, 2018 03:09 PM (AzW6q)

77 Ceylon.

Burma.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 10, 2018 03:07 PM (AzW6q)

Please...Siam.
Posted by: IC at December 10, 2018 03:08 PM (a0IVu)

-----

Why all the Oriental towns??

Posted by: fixerupper at December 10, 2018 03:09 PM (8XRCm)

78 "16 $150 billion was found somewhere in the budget to give to Iran, but not 6 billion to build the Wall.

Posted by: josephistan at December 10, 2018 03:01 PM (7HtZB) "



Kinda says it all, doesn't it ?

Posted by: sock_rat_yoda at December 10, 2018 03:09 PM (mfOi4)

79 Behold These Five Tweets About Qatar in which Ben Shapiro Got the Left Pregnant with Facts and Made Them Bear His Truth-Baby!

Posted by: Twitchy at December 10, 2018 03:09 PM (QqY+m)

80 Bombay. Madras.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 10, 2018 03:09 PM (I2dne)

81 0 I've never understood what the upside of being quiet about these outrages is. I'm not a big proponent of suffering in silence when some of the fuckheads on "our side" aren't doing a damn thing and that absolutely included Cock Curious.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 10, 2018 03:04 PM (y7DUB)

...

I've been through some training on hostage situations and served as one of the officers on a critical response team for an org with people in Interesting Places.

Nobody can screw up a hostage negotiation better than family members. Nobody. It's breathtaking, the stuff from case studies.

Essentially you really need total silence and a single point of contact for negotiations, and your negotiator has to be essentially emotionless with regard to your captives. Families suck at that, and they give the captors leverage, and that makes it worse for the captives.

Posted by: TexasDan at December 10, 2018 03:09 PM (yL25O)

82 57 Ceylon.

Burma.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 10, 2018 03:07 PM (AzW6q)

"What did you say 'Burma' for?"

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 03:09 PM (bcbK8)

83 Is Qatar pronounced "Cutter" or "Gutter" this week?


Is that near Pockeeston?

Posted by: Ex President Cock Curious at December 10, 2018 03:10 PM (sf1AO)

84 Let's trade the Obamas and the "stars" of the Bravo show, "Shahs of Sunset" to Iran for our hostages.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 10, 2018 03:10 PM (ptqGC)

85 Obama was delivering them $150 billion.
..........

This still chaps my hide.

Posted by: wth - let's riot! at December 10, 2018 03:10 PM (HgMAr)

86 That's how I say it, but I just abandoned "Peking" a couple of years ago.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis

It amuses me that the Beijing airport is still "PEK".

Posted by: Roland THTG at December 10, 2018 03:10 PM (88+cf)

87 Yep, a Muslim Brotherhood terrorist-apologist opinion writer who wasn't a U.S. citizen or a journalist and wasn't killed in the U.S. or on its territory, so clearly a most pressing matter to which the U.S. media must devote 24/7 attention.

Like I've said anywhere and everywhere, the only thing wrong with Khasoggi's offing was the where and the when, not the why.

Google "duc d'enghien"

Posted by: JEM at December 10, 2018 03:10 PM (8erNz)

88 Let's trade the Obamas and the "stars" of the Bravo show, "Shahs of Sunset" to Iran for our hostages.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 10, 2018 03:10 PM (ptqGC)
+++++++++++
No way would Iran make a deal that bad. Only we make deals that bad.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 10, 2018 03:10 PM (I2dne)

89 73 Always said Barak had a soft spot for Muzzies, Iranians especially.
Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2018 03:08 PM (/rm4P)

...

Tee hee.

Posted by: Valerie Jarett at December 10, 2018 03:10 PM (yL25O)

90 Can we buy everyone at the WaPo tickets for an all-expenses paid vacation to fabulous Riyadh?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 10, 2018 03:10 PM (AzW6q)

91 cutter or gutter?
it's seattle. all shitholes. doesn't matter.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 10, 2018 03:11 PM (KP5rU)

92 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 10, 2018 03:08 PM (I2dne)

Beijing's airport's international code is still PEK. So you'd buy a plane ticket from JFK to PEK to fly from NY to Beijing.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 10, 2018 03:11 PM (GBteo)

93 79 Behold These Five Tweets About Qatar in which Ben Shapiro Got the Left Pregnant with Facts and Made Them Bear His Truth-Baby!
Posted by: Twitchy at December 10, 2018 03:09 PM (QqY+m)



Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2018 03:11 PM (NLLmE)

94 Like I've said anywhere and everywhere, the only thing wrong with Khasoggi's offing was the where and the when, not the why.

Google "duc d'enghien"
Posted by: JEM at December 10, 2018 03:10 PM (8erNz)

...

When will the Saudis learn to drone people?

Posted by: TexasDan at December 10, 2018 03:11 PM (yL25O)

95 Beijing's airport's international code is still PEK. So you'd buy a plane ticket from JFK to PEK to fly from NY to Beijing.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 10, 2018 03:11 PM (GBteo)
++++++++
Yup, and Mimbai's is still BOM.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 10, 2018 03:11 PM (I2dne)

96 Question: Did Brookings eventually register as a foreign agent?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 10, 2018 03:11 PM (H7LIz)

97 73 Always said Barak had a soft spot for Muzzies, Iranians especially.

Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2018 03:08 PM (/rm4P)

Soft but tight.

Posted by: Reggie at December 10, 2018 03:12 PM (jGvbj)

98 "I'm sure there are reasons for that."

(Raises hand)
Ooh! Ooh! I know why! Pick me!

Posted by: Pete in Texas at December 10, 2018 03:12 PM (q00NO)

99 No one orders a Beijing Duck. Only Peking Duck. You go now. You hear four hours.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 10, 2018 03:12 PM (2LelM)

100
PEK to LAX?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at December 10, 2018 03:12 PM (eC1xx)

101 Like I've said anywhere and everywhere, the only thing wrong with Khasoggi's offing was the where and the when, not the why.

-------

Well, that and it was far too humane.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 10, 2018 03:12 PM (AzW6q)

102 83 Is Qatar pronounced "Cutter" or "Gutter" this week?
____________________________________

Cater (kay-tur).

As in, "We cater to terrorists."

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 10, 2018 03:13 PM (H7LIz)

103 When will the Saudis learn to drone people?

Six months after they learn not to text each other on unencrypted channels about offing people they want to get rid of.

Posted by: JEM at December 10, 2018 03:13 PM (8erNz)

104 Qatar? You mean like with a cloth?

Posted by: Hillary! at December 10, 2018 03:13 PM (CE5C/)

105 Meanwhile, when an actual U.S. citizen and actual
journalist like Daniel Pearl gets his head sawed off with a rusty knife,
the U.S. media doesn't give a shit and gives it only perfunctory
coverage.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 10, 2018 03:08 PM (fqUgw)


Hey, I had to interrupt my golf game to announce that cracker's beheading. Sheesh.

Posted by: Barrack Hussein "I'm Not REALLY a Muslim" Obama at December 10, 2018 03:13 PM (ptqGC)

106 Hey, I had to interrupt my golf game to announce that cracker's beheading. Sheesh.

Posted by: Barrack Hussein "I'm Not REALLY a Muslim" Obama at December 10, 2018 03:13 PM (ptqGC)

May be so, but Daniel Pearl was killed in 2002.

I don't even think Obama was a US senator back in 2002.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 10, 2018 03:14 PM (GBteo)

107 I've been through some training on hostage situations and served as one of the officers on a critical response team for an org with people in Interesting Places.

Nobody can screw up a hostage negotiation better than family members. Nobody. It's breathtaking, the stuff from case studies.

Essentially you really need total silence and a single point of contact for negotiations, and your negotiator has to be essentially emotionless with regard to your captives. Families suck at that, and they give the captors leverage, and that makes it worse for the captives.
Posted by: TexasDan

................

and what the fuck does that have to do with a country holding people as political pawns? Nothing.

It is nothing like a normal hostage situation.

The Ayatollahs understand one thing.. a nuke up their asses.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 10, 2018 03:14 PM (so+oy)

108 If you have been watching the mainstream news the last few days, now you know exactly what it was like to watch the Soviet Press in the 1970's.


Except that CNN and MSNBC have better sets.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 10, 2018 03:14 PM (UsCnO)

109 I've been through some training on hostage situations and served as one of the officers on a critical response team for an org with people in Interesting Places.

Nobody can screw up a hostage negotiation better than family members. Nobody. It's breathtaking, the stuff from case studies.

Essentially you really need total silence and a single point of contact for negotiations, and your negotiator has to be essentially emotionless with regard to your captives. Families suck at that, and they give the captors leverage, and that makes it worse for the captives.
Posted by: TexasDan at December 10, 2018 03:09 PM (yL25O)


I definitely understand that as part of a domestic hostage situation. I was referring to longer international versions where stasis has set in and its pretty obvious nobody gives a rats ass about your loved ones.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 10, 2018 03:14 PM (y7DUB)

110 Yup, and Mimbai's is still BOM.

"YOU! GET THE HELL OFF!"

"Excuse me sir, I paid for my ticket"

"AIR TRAVEL IS PROPERTY OF THE WESTERN WHITE PEOPLE. YOU ARE APPROPRIATING OUR CULTURE. AND WHY THE HELL ARE YOU SPEAKING ENGLISH?"

Posted by: JEM at December 10, 2018 03:15 PM (8erNz)

111
Daniel Pearl was killed during Bush the Shithead.

Foley was killed during obama the terrible.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at December 10, 2018 03:15 PM (eC1xx)

112 May be so, but Daniel Pearl was killed in 2002.

I don't even think Obama was a US senator back in 2002.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 10, 2018 03:14 PM (GBteo)

----

Foley.

Another journalist they beheaded.


I know. Its hard to keeptrack of them all.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 10, 2018 03:15 PM (8XRCm)

113 Didn't Obama mention he attended madrasah's while growing up in Indonesia? You have to be a muslim to attend I believe..unless I am remembering wrongly and he actually attended mainstream schools.

Posted by: IC at December 10, 2018 03:15 PM (a0IVu)

114 I definitely understand that as part of a domestic hostage situation. I was referring to longer international versions where stasis has set in and its pretty obvious nobody gives a rats ass about your loved ones.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 10, 2018 03:14 PM (y7DUB)

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I know how to handle this Iranian hostage problem.

Posted by: Ross Perot at December 10, 2018 03:16 PM (AzW6q)

115 "Here'a a Qatar, call someone who cares!" - Travis al-Tritt

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llamabutcher at December 10, 2018 03:16 PM (O8nj7)

116 How about we set a couple carrier task forces in the Red Sea and then say: Tehran as a sea of glass says what?

Hostages in boats at the dock in 12 hours or less or you all can find out what it's like to live in such a place.

These people are bullies. There is only one way to treat with bullies and that's to stand up to them and make it clear that only one of you is walking away from any fight and it's not going to be you.

All this prancing around makes them disrespect us. They already believe we are infidels because we do not believe in Allah. They already believe we are demons and weak because we let our women run loose with bare heads and faces and act equal to the men.

Actually looking weak and surrendering just makes them certain of their ability to win against us. They have to be shown very explicitly that we are willing to annihilate them and all their ancestors or they will not respect us.

Posted by: jakee308 at December 10, 2018 03:16 PM (hci5m)

117 If you have been watching the mainstream news the last few days, now you know exactly what it was like to watch the Soviet Press in the 1970's.


Except that CNN and MSNBC have better sets.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 10, 2018 03:14 PM (UsCnO)
..........

and a bunch of gays.

Posted by: wth at December 10, 2018 03:16 PM (HgMAr)

118 I don't even think Obama was a US senator back in 2002.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 10, 2018 03:14 PM (GBteo)


My bad. Wrong cracker. They all look alike. Amiright, Jalerie?

Posted by: Barack Hussein "I'm Not REALLY a Muslim" Obama at December 10, 2018 03:16 PM (ptqGC)

119 If I promise not to shoot you, will you give me $15 million dollars?I'll even say please.


Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 10, 2018 03:16 PM (UsCnO)

120 WeirdDave linked to a Foreign Policy article a couple of weeks ago in an ONT, so I helpfully pointed out that the mag is the mouthpiece of Brookings and listed as 'liberal' by wiki.

It pays to know your enemies.

I go to zero hedge fairly regularly, but I know to ignore any article that involves Russia (and never go to the comments, never ever).

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2018 03:16 PM (Z4rgH)

121 I know how to handle this Iranian hostage problem.
Posted by: Ross Perot at December 10, 2018 03:16 PM (AzW6q)
++++++++++
I want to get my hands on the front page of his local paper after he pulled off that rescue. I think it read something like:
Perot 3, Iran 0

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 10, 2018 03:17 PM (I2dne)

122 105 Meanwhile, when an actual U.S. citizen and actual
journalist like Daniel Pearl gets his head sawed off with a rusty knife,
the U.S. media doesn't give a shit and gives it only perfunctory
coverage.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 10, 2018 03:08 PM (fqUgw)


+++

I think about him often. To me, that was the last straw with my belief that the media was "fair and balanced" and the reporting unbiased. Their agenda is different from mine. Done with them.

Posted by: washrivergal at December 10, 2018 03:17 PM (rE1pK)

123 You ever feel like a hostage in your own state?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 03:18 PM (bcbK8)

124 Qatar expected to transfer $15 million to Hamas on Thursday

I'd happily transfer a critical mass of enriched uranium to Hamas. Or a shitload of ethylene oxide. Their call.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 10, 2018 03:18 PM (A2Uq6)

125 I definitely understand that as part of a domestic hostage situation. I was referring to longer international versions where stasis has set in and its pretty obvious nobody gives a rats ass about your loved ones.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 10, 2018 03:14 PM (y7DUB)

...

Yeah, I suspect they can't hurt anything at that point.

It's hard to know who is doing the negotiations. I would suspect that you actually don't want the State Department doing it for you, since that too gives the captors leverage.

The surprising thing to me was that most hostage taking DOES end in payment, it's just not very much, and not very soon.

If a hostage taker gets $350,000 five days after they grab somebody, they high five all their friends and then grab someone else next week.

If they get $50k after 18 months, it's a huge headache for them. They don't tell anybody and they don't try it again.

Posted by: TexasDan at December 10, 2018 03:18 PM (yL25O)

126 Ballot box, ballot box, ballot box first.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 03:19 PM (bcbK8)

127 123 You ever feel like a hostage in your own state?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 03:18 PM (bcbK


You're asking a Californian this?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 10, 2018 03:19 PM (A2Uq6)

128 I seem to recall Qatar donating money to the Clinton Foundation, too, no?

Don't forget about me!

Posted by: Current TV at December 10, 2018 03:19 PM (XkVXQ)

129 91>>
it's seattle. all shitholes. doesn't matter.


It was nice living here many years ago. Now it is 'behind enemy lines' territory.

Posted by: Dreg in Seattle at December 10, 2018 03:19 PM (Y7N05)

130 Related:

"Doom" designer John Romero and his studio, Romero Games, is releasing a free "megawad" called "Sigil" for the original 1993 first-person shooter.

In "Doom" parlance, a megawad is a fan-made batch of 15 levels or more. "Sigil" has 18 levels - nine single-player and nine deathmatch. It's the spiritual successor to the fourth episode of "Doom" and it picks up where the original left off, according to its official website.

Posted by: SMOD at December 10, 2018 03:19 PM (QkjLD)

131 @40 I've never understood what the upside of being quiet about these outrages is.----------------------
It takes time, money, and effort to not keep quiet. You have to spend time badgering people - including news media types - who would prefer that you shut up and go away. It's essentially a part-time job all of its own, at minimum.

Posted by: junior at December 10, 2018 03:19 PM (cSguU)

132 The surprising thing to me was that most hostage taking DOES end in payment, it's just not very much, and not very soon.

If a hostage taker gets $350,000 five days after they grab somebody, they high five all their friends and then grab someone else next week.

If they get $50k after 18 months, it's a huge headache for them. They don't tell anybody and they don't try it again.
Posted by: TexasDan at December 10, 2018 03:18 PM (yL25O)

Didn't the blonde guy from Flash Gordon go into the Hostage Rescue/negotiation biz?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 03:20 PM (bcbK8)

133 The irony is, I am willing to bet, that russia is behind the kashoggi hysteria. They have the largest interest in damaging the US relationship with SA.

Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at December 10, 2018 03:20 PM (LWu6U)

134
I did this yesterday but...

here's Bailey Quarters old:

https://youtu.be/zhuCBkMXHhY?t=5m19s

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at December 10, 2018 03:20 PM (eC1xx)

135 62 I still say Peking. People used to laugh when I talked about St. Petersburg. Not anymore.

you here the one about the well-traveled fellow who was born in st. petersburg, grew up in petrograd, raised his family in leningrad, then was buried in st. petersburg?

Posted by: Anachronda at December 10, 2018 03:20 PM (xGZ+b)

136 127 123 You ever feel like a hostage in your own state?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 03:18 PM (bcbK

You're asking a Californian this?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 10, 2018 03:19 PM (A2Uq6)

Informal straw/frog poll

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 03:20 PM (bcbK8)

137 Hey Qatar - have you ever thought about owning your own opinion magazine?

One that comes with complimentary non-obstructed ocean view cabins?

Posted by: The Weekly Standard at December 10, 2018 03:21 PM (DuAZ5)

138 127 123 You ever feel like a hostage in your own state?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 03:18 PM (bcbK

You're asking a Californian this?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 10, 2018 03:19 PM (A2Uq6)


Caramba!

Posted by: JEM at December 10, 2018 03:21 PM (8erNz)

139 Its always about the money, except when its about the sex.

Posted by: simplemind at December 10, 2018 03:21 PM (NkXZf)

140 Time magazine on Monday announced its shortlist of 2018 Person of the Year nominees, which includes families separated at the U.S.-Mexico border.

Time's shortlist was announced Monday on NBC's "Today." The contenders also include President Donald Trump (Time's 2016 Person of the Year), Russian President Vladimir Putin, special counsel Robert Mueller, "Black Panther" director Ryan Coogler, Christine Blasey Ford, slain journalist Jamal Khashoggi, March for Our Lives activists, South Korean President Moon Jae-in, and Meghan Markle.




An utterly irrelevant event by an utterly irrelevant magazine made only important by the denizens of the MFM who think useless shit like this is important

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 10, 2018 03:21 PM (SiINZ)

141 I know how to handle this Iranian hostage problem.
Posted by: Ross Perot at December 10, 2018 03:16 PM (AzW6q)


Say what you will about Ross Perot, but going into Iran - personally - to rescue his employees showed he had balls the size of coconuts.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 10, 2018 03:21 PM (A2Uq6)

142 60>>in other news, rick steeves is still a cuck.


Another liberal jerk in Seattle.

Posted by: Dreg in Seattle at December 10, 2018 03:22 PM (Y7N05)

143 Flash Gordon got into private security, but I dunno about hostage release .

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 10, 2018 03:22 PM (uqH9e)

144 Wait, we still had Americans rotting in Iranian jails while the milk-chocolate messiah was pouring American cash on their jailers? And our "unbiased", "doesn't pick sides", "this is an apple" media didn't say boo?


Next you're gonna tell me the Nobel PEACE Prize winner was killing civilians in an undeclared drone war in, say, Yemen and our "guardians of democracy" didn't say jack shit about that, either.

Posted by: DocJ at December 10, 2018 03:22 PM (NYS7S)

145 Cutter, Gutter, Nutter...it's pronounced shithole.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at December 10, 2018 03:23 PM (bML9A)

146 I've been through some training on hostage situations and served as one of the officers on a critical response team for an org with people in Interesting Places.

Nobody can screw up a hostage negotiation better than family members. Nobody. It's breathtaking, the stuff from case studies.

Essentially you really need total silence and a single point of contact for negotiations, and your negotiator has to be essentially emotionless with regard to your captives. Families suck at that, and they give the captors leverage, and that makes it worse for the captives.
Posted by: TexasDan

And then there's the young woman who was seized in Syria, and Obama lied to the parents and let her be tortured and dies. Doctors without Borders didn't do shit either, and the parents were stupid enough to give them the money people donated for the sake of their daughter.

Posted by: zombie Robert Fulton at December 10, 2018 03:23 PM (e1q4h)

147 Sum Ting Wong," "Wi Tu Lo," "Ho Lee Fuk," and "Bang Ding Ow"

Posted by: SMOD at December 10, 2018 03:23 PM (QkjLD)

148 Time's shortlist was announced Monday on NBC's "Today." The contenders also include President Donald Trump (Time's 2016 Person of the Year), Russian President Vladimir Putin, special counsel Robert Mueller, "Black Panther" director Ryan Coogler, Christine Blasey Ford, slain journalist Jamal Khashoggi, March for Our Lives activists, South Korean President Moon Jae-in, and Meghan Markle.

And this magazine can convoke its readership in a booth at Denny's. Go figure.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 10, 2018 03:23 PM (A2Uq6)

149
Yep, a Muslim Brotherhood terrorist-apologist
opinion writer who wasn't a U.S. citizen or a journalist and wasn't
killed in the U.S. or on its territory, so clearly a most pressing
matter to which the U.S. media must devote 24/7 attention.



Meanwhile, when an actual U.S. citizen and actual journalist like
Daniel Pearl gets his head sawed off with a rusty knife, the U.S. media
doesn't give a shit and gives it only perfunctory coverage.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 10, 2018 03:08 PM (fqUgw)



And here I thought I was the only one who noticed this.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 10, 2018 03:23 PM (UsCnO)

150 >>Guy in the picture only has $400.00


And he's headed straight for the Petting Zoo.

---------------------

After a quick stop at Victoria's Secret. Do you have that in a medium goat size?

Posted by: Jolo at December 10, 2018 03:23 PM (WrMOC)

151 Didn't the blonde guy from Flash Gordon go into the Hostage Rescue/negotiation biz?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 03:20 PM (bcbK

...

I don't know. Our guy was ex-LEO who was trained by the FBI in the early days of establishing hostage crisis teams in local enforcement.

He'd negotiated with pretty much every bad guy org I'd ever heard of.

Here's the stunner; he says he starts every negotiation by hanging up on the terrorists. They always start with screaming and threats and he just hangs up.

Pretty hard on the family to watch--he said he always sits in the room with his back to the family so he doesn't have to see their expressions. But when they call back it's easier to have a productive conversation.

Posted by: TexasDan at December 10, 2018 03:24 PM (yL25O)

152 32. Is Qatar pronounced "Cutter" or "Gutter" this week?

Depends...if you pronounce "pakistan" like "pock-ee-stan" then you pronounce it "cutter."

If you are an American, you pronounce it like "cah-TARR" just to p*ss 'em off.

Posted by: Flyover at December 10, 2018 03:24 PM (B5K06)

153 he says he starts every negotiation by hanging up on the terrorists. They always start with screaming and threats and he just hangs up.

Pretty hard on the family to watch--he said he always sits in the room with his back to the family so he doesn't have to see their expressions. But when they call back it's easier to have a productive conversation.
Posted by: TexasDan at December 10, 2018 03:24 PM (yL25O)

The power to say 'no' is a power indeed.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 03:25 PM (bcbK8)

154 Pretty hard on the family to watch--he said he always sits in the room with his back to the family so he doesn't have to see their expressions. But when they call back it's easier to have a productive conversation.
Posted by: TexasDan


And did he lose any after that?

Posted by: zombie Robert Fulton at December 10, 2018 03:26 PM (e1q4h)

155 Is Brookings the one that had one of its execs go transgender, or was it another big DC think tank?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 10, 2018 03:26 PM (W+vEI)

156 For $15M month we'll stop banging.

Posted by: Crips at December 10, 2018 03:27 PM (k/w1G)

157 Washington Post writer and frequent MSNBC commentator Jennifer Rubin predicted Sunday that President Trump would resign from office with 10 minutes left in his presidency and accept a pardon from his successor, Mike Pence.

Yeah, but she also had this year's Superbowl as thee Jets vs The Giants

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 03:27 PM (bim/x)

158 62 I still say Peking. People used to laugh when I talked about St. Petersburg. Not anymore.

When I was in the USSR a Russian Orthodox priest brought up Leningrad, then mentioned that it had previously been Petrograd, and before that St. Petersburg.

Then with a twinkle in his eye, he continued, "And it might well be St. Petersburg again before long."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 10, 2018 03:27 PM (A2Uq6)

159 Damnit why didn't anybody come to me like a fucking man and tell me Qatar's not an island...yet.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at December 10, 2018 03:27 PM (DKEfE)

160 Posted by: jakee308 at December 10, 2018 03:16 PM (hci5m)

The Romeo13 Doctrine.

Bring back the ancient and effective practice of punishment raids.

This is of course, predicated on the American Ideal that brought us our Declaration of Independence, ie that its a people duty and right to make their government do what they want.

Which means that a nations citizens ARE complicit in what their government does, especially if they are some form of Democracy (like Iran is).

Ergo, if the people of Iran allow their government to act like Barbarians? they can live that way.

Bomb every bridge, every power plant, all fuel facilities, all manufacturing. If needed? take the 1st Armored Division and cross the border to complete the destruction.

Then LEAVE with the implicit threat, that we will be back if they don't behave.

Posted by: Don Q at December 10, 2018 03:27 PM (NgKpN)

161 in other news, rick steeves is still a cuck.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 10, 2018 03:07 PM (KP5rU)




He's such a lisping, leftist twat

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 10, 2018 03:27 PM (SiINZ)

162 Yeah, but she also had this year's Superbowl as thee Jets vs The Giants
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 03:27 PM (bim/x)
++++++++++
What a fool. She should know that the Jets only play against the Sharks.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 10, 2018 03:27 PM (I2dne)

163 So, that thing where you pay people to not kill you, what is that called again?

Posted by: navybrat, obtuse by nature at December 10, 2018 03:28 PM (w7KSn)

164 >>Nobody can screw up a hostage negotiation better than family members. Nobody. It's breathtaking, the stuff from case studies.


Said the trainers. I am not saying they are wrong, but they have a one sided view. I am sure they could come up with dozens of case studies where the professionals screwed up, but they wouldn't be telling you all that part.

Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at December 10, 2018 03:28 PM (LWu6U)

165 Has anyone pointed out that this latest batch of US hostages were taken AFTER the $1.6 billion in cash that TFG had delivered to Iran to spring the batch before?

$1.6 billion -- That's the total sum Trump has been able to beg/coerce out of Congress in 2 years for the border wall.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2018 03:28 PM (Z4rgH)

166
anyone remember the old PUTT PUTT video games?

Posted by: wi at December 10, 2018 03:28 PM (eC1xx)

167 Greetings:

I've long thought that what would be helpful to me is that when "think-tank" or NGO or non-profit types are interviewed that the first two questions should be:

1) Who are the top five revenue sources of your organization ???

2) What's included in your compensation package ???

Posted by: 11B40 at December 10, 2018 03:29 PM (evgyj)

168 Said the trainers. I am not saying they are wrong, but they have a one sided view. I am sure they could come up with dozens of case studies where the professionals screwed up, but they wouldn't be telling you all that part.
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at December 10, 2018 03:28 PM (LWu6U)

--------

There is no evidence of bias at the FBI.

Posted by: Horowitz at December 10, 2018 03:29 PM (AzW6q)

169 Kwuh-TARR. They forgot the "u" that comes after the "Q".

Posted by: Chris M at December 10, 2018 03:29 PM (eAZVt)

170 >>Nobody can screw up a hostage negotiation better than family members.


That's why you bring the ringer.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 10, 2018 03:29 PM (tDk60)

171 The media are almost all a bunch of Leftists and are the most anti-Semitic group. Can prove it without a question and thousands of examples.
Just go to YouTube and read comments on the Prager U on why the US should give money to Israel.

Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2018 03:29 PM (/rm4P)

172 #150 They claim goats are better and cheaper than the hags in the burkas.

Posted by: torabora at December 10, 2018 03:29 PM (k/w1G)

173 Didn't the blonde guy from Flash Gordon go into the Hostage Rescue/negotiation biz?

He supposedly did 'something' in security post-acting. Former globe-and-anchor type.

'My Chauffeur' wasn't a great flick but Deborah Foreman was, as they say, hot.

Posted by: JEM at December 10, 2018 03:29 PM (8erNz)

174 Qatar is pronounced as catarrh as if you have catarrh

Posted by: Votermom's phone on Happy Happy Joy Joy SpaceForce at December 10, 2018 03:29 PM (+4NQ8)

175 152 32. Is Qatar pronounced "Cutter" or "Gutter" this week?

Depends...if you pronounce "pakistan" like "pock-ee-stan" then you pronounce it "cutter."

If you are an American, you pronounce it like "cah-TARR" just to p*ss 'em off.

Posted by: Flyover at December 10, 2018 03:24 PM (B5K06)

Like the worst possible mash-up of cat and guitar. Just for the fingernails on a chalkboard effect.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 10, 2018 03:29 PM (J+mig)

176 well, the interests of the negotiator, when he is leo, are not necessarily aligned with those of the family.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2018 03:29 PM (MTjB1)

177 And then there's the young woman who was seized in Syria, and Obama lied to the parents and let her be tortured and dies. Doctors without Borders didn't do shit either, and the parents were stupid enough to give them the money people donated for the sake of their daughter.
Posted by: zombie Robert Fulton at December 10, 2018 03:23 PM (e1q4h)

...

A lot of NGO's are a disaster waiting to happen. People you would think ought to have a leg up on this stuff just don't.

Again, I'm not sure the US governments' silence or lack of intervention is actually a bad thing. If they weigh in, it signals to the captors that they have a pawn to use. I used to get upset about us seeming leaving people out to hang but in actuality the private negotiator is 10x better off if State just stays out of it.

Not that people don't sometimes die anyway. It's obviously dicey. But the actual government can't intervene without making it worse.

I'm sure there's an argument when it's another actual nation grabbing people, like Iran, but now it's more at the game theory stage of how to get a bad actor act less bad, and still not about the situation of the individual, who is probably screwed regardless.

Posted by: TexasDan at December 10, 2018 03:30 PM (yL25O)

178 >>Meanwhile, when an actual U.S. citizen and actual journalist like Daniel Pearl gets his head sawed off with a rusty knife, the U.S. media
doesn't give a shit and gives it only perfunctory coverage.




Not entirely true.
They sure did become obsessed with his murderer's well-being, KSM, as he was one of only two Gitmo detainees to be waterboarded.

Also, Eric Holder used his trial, which was almost done, to attempt to move all Gitmo trials to civilian courts on US soil.



B@stards.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 10, 2018 03:30 PM (W+vEI)

179 176 well, the interests of the negotiator, when he is leo, are not necessarily aligned with those of the family.
Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2018 03:29 PM (MTjB1)

...

The guy we worked with was former LEO, and consulted on negotiations.

Posted by: TexasDan at December 10, 2018 03:30 PM (yL25O)

180 >>Like the worst possible mash-up of cat and guitar.


Yoko?

Posted by: garrett at December 10, 2018 03:30 PM (tDk60)

181 And this magazine can convoke its readership in a booth at Denny's. Go figure.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 10, 2018 03:23 PM (A2Uq6)

If they didn't ignore everyone who tries to cancel their "subscriptions" or send $1 yearly subscriptions to dentist offices, readership would be 0.

Posted by: LASue at December 10, 2018 03:30 PM (wMHPW)

182 165 Has anyone pointed out that this latest batch of US hostages were taken AFTER the $1.6 billion in cash that TFG had delivered to Iran to spring the batch before?

I'm all in favor of seizing Citgo and Iranian assets to build a southern border wall.

But I guess that would be totalitarian.

Posted by: JEM at December 10, 2018 03:31 PM (8erNz)

183 167
Greetings:



I've long thought that what would be helpful to me is that when
"think-tank" or NGO or non-profit types are interviewed that the first
two questions should be:



1) Who are the top five revenue sources of your organization ???



2) What's included in your compensation package ???

Posted by: 11B40 at December 10, 2018 03:29 PM (evgyj)

---------------------------------------


Well, that would be a quick, two-question interview.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 10, 2018 03:31 PM (UsCnO)

184 What's going on with El Chapo's trial?

Posted by: LASue at December 10, 2018 03:31 PM (wMHPW)

185 These Albigensians are always a problem.

Posted by: Pope Innocent III at December 10, 2018 03:31 PM (AzW6q)

186 I hope there is some news about the CFO of the Clinton Crime Syndicate flipping.

Posted by: navybrat, obtuse by nature at December 10, 2018 03:31 PM (w7KSn)

187 173 Didn't the blonde guy from Flash Gordon go into the Hostage Rescue/negotiation biz?

He supposedly did 'something' in security post-acting. Former globe-and-anchor type.

'My Chauffeur' wasn't a great flick but Deborah Foreman was, as they say, hot.
Posted by: JEM at December 10, 2018 03:29 PM (8erNz)

I actually like 'My Chauffeur'. And yes, she was very hot.

There was a fun video digging into the background of the movie on 'good bad flicks' on youtube

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 03:32 PM (bcbK8)

188
169 Kwuh-TARR. They forgot the "u" that comes after the "Q".

we must give them aid so they can buy a vowel

Posted by: occasional-cortex at December 10, 2018 03:32 PM (NmR1a)

189 >> $1 yearly subscriptions to dentist offices


Fucking Dentists.

They should be the first up against the wall!

Posted by: garrett at December 10, 2018 03:32 PM (tDk60)

190 The guy we worked with was former LEO, and consulted on negotiations.
Posted by: TexasDan at D



well there is a big difference between former and current leo in negotiations.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2018 03:32 PM (MTjB1)

191 138 127 123 You ever feel like a hostage in your own state?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 03:18 PM (bcbK

You're asking a Californian this?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 10, 2018 03:19 PM (A2Uq6)

Caramba!
Posted by: JEM at December 10, 2018 03:21 PM (8erNz)

I believe the word is 'rehen'

Posted by: Don Q at December 10, 2018 03:32 PM (NgKpN)

192 180 >>Like the worst possible mash-up of cat and guitar.


Yoko?
Posted by: garrett at December 10, 2018 03:30 PM (tDk60)

bang on

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 03:32 PM (bcbK8)

193 The guy we worked with was former LEO, and consulted on negotiations.
Posted by: TexasDan

So did he lose anyone? Especially after that trick of hanging up on them?

Posted by: zombie Robert Fulton at December 10, 2018 03:33 PM (e1q4h)

194 Fucking Dentists.

They should be the first up against the wall!
Posted by: garrett at December 10, 2018 03:32 PM (tDk60)

I agree

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 03:33 PM (bim/x)

195 163 So, that thing where you pay people to not kill you, what is that called again?
Posted by: navybrat, obtuse by nature at December 10, 2018 03:28 PM (w7KSn)


A way to guarantee that they'll pull this shit again later.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 10, 2018 03:33 PM (A2Uq6)

196 I was hoping you were still here, NGU.

Posted by: garrett at December 10, 2018 03:33 PM (tDk60)

197 194 Fucking Dentists.

They should be the first up against the wall!
Posted by: garrett at December 10, 2018 03:32 PM (tDk60)

I agree

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 03:33 PM (bim/x)



That's the mistake the British made. Don't do it!!!!

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2018 03:34 PM (NLLmE)

198 A way to guarantee that they'll pull this shit again later.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 10, 2018 03:33 PM (A2Uq6)

Once you pay the danegeld, you never get rid of the Dane.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 10, 2018 03:35 PM (J+mig)

199 You ever feel like a hostage in your own state?


Massachusetts. What do you think?

Posted by: tu3031 at December 10, 2018 03:35 PM (sf1AO)

200 186
I hope there is some news about the CFO of the Clinton Crime Syndicate flipping.

Posted by: navybrat, obtuse by nature at December 10, 2018 03:31 PM (w7KSn)

There was something breaking a couple of days ago, but we have pounced on it, censored it, and it is pretty much dead now.

It's what we do best, you know.


Posted by: ABCBSNBCNNNYTIMESWAPOST at December 10, 2018 03:35 PM (UsCnO)

201 $1 yearly subscriptions to dentist offices

In a physician's office recently was a People magazine with Jane Fonda on the cover, with the cover screaming about its exclusive interview with the "legendary" actress.

Of course, People magazine is for people who move their lips when they read, but even so ...

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 10, 2018 03:35 PM (A2Uq6)

202 As an aside, that new blue ribbon thing on the 100 looks idiotic. It looks like someone got something stuck to your bill, its ugly and completely out of place. I don't see that kind of money often so when I saw one recently I began to suspect it was fake or torn and repaired or something.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 10, 2018 03:36 PM (39g3+)

203 Said the trainers. I am not saying they are wrong, but they have a one sided view. I am sure they could come up with dozens of case studies where the professionals screwed up, but they wouldn't be telling you all that part.
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at December 10, 2018 03:28 PM (LWu6U)

...

To respond to this and answer another question upthread; yeah, the trainer we had lost some.

The way families get in the way is they'll make actual contact with the captors and start making promises, etc. Even going to the local press is something that gets back to the captors and they end up with more leverage.

Our trainer said if you're on a call and the captors start hurting the captive, and if the negotiator yields at that moment, then the captors know to just hurt the captive even more if they want something. So it's actually in the captive's interest to be unflappable in that situation, but you can imagine what it's like.

Everything is a moving target when crap like this happens but there are best practices that increase your percentages.

Posted by: TexasDan at December 10, 2018 03:36 PM (yL25O)

204 Somehow I don't think instantaneous Jewish is going to do anything for A.O-C , unless she now becomes one of those I am Jewish but hat Zionism.

Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2018 03:36 PM (/rm4P)

205 Fucking Dentists.

They should be the first up against the wall!

Garrett, perhaps the word "f'ing" and "up against the wall" should not be used in sentence in proximity. Otherwise people might say "Too much information."


Hey, if I were not married to my husband I'd like to be married to my dentist, He is the best dentist I've ever had and he wears a flap pin on his lab coat so I think he may be a conservative.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 10, 2018 03:36 PM (AllCR)

206 Once you pay the danegeld, you never get rid of the Dane.
Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 10, 2018 03:35 PM (J+mig)


But EBT is totally different, amirite?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 10, 2018 03:36 PM (A2Uq6)

207 199 You ever feel like a hostage in your own state?

Massachusetts. What do you think?

Posted by: tu3031 at December 10, 2018 03:35 PM (sf1AO)

Starting to feel like a hostage on this planet. Willing to give Mars a try.

Barring that, just hoping the battlefleet stops here again. This human suit is itchy and pinches my tentacles in the worst way.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 10, 2018 03:37 PM (J+mig)

208 Make this "flag" pin.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 10, 2018 03:37 PM (AllCR)

209 unless she now becomes one of those I am Jewish but hat Zionism.
Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2018 03:36 PM (/rm4P)

BINGO

By the way she said when she was addressing an left wing anti-zionist Jooooo crowd

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 03:37 PM (bim/x)

210

EM KOMAJ FOADDY-FI!!!

Posted by: Maxine Waters' Hair at December 10, 2018 03:37 PM (GEhPL)

211 You ever feel like a hostage in your own state?


Massachusetts. So... yes. I do.

Posted by: DocJ at December 10, 2018 03:37 PM (NYS7S)

212 the family has one issue, get the loved one back. the neogtiatior, if he is working leo, has to worry about follwing the rules, the next kidnapping, lots more than what the family wants.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2018 03:37 PM (MTjB1)

213 $15 million is a lot of lattes and soy burgers.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 10, 2018 03:38 PM (ycWCI)

214 He is the best dentist I've ever had and he wears a flap pin on his lab coat so I think he may be a conservative.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 10, 2018 03:36 PM (AllCR)

Shit I wear scrubs in the pattern of my Navy NWU Uniform

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 03:38 PM (bim/x)

215 well, is the still addicted to cum?

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2018 03:38 PM (MTjB1)

216 I recall Hillary trying to claim some Jewish Heritage when she ran for Senate in NY.

Like Obama being Irish.

Posted by: garrett at December 10, 2018 03:38 PM (tDk60)

217 Of course, People magazine is for people who move their lips when they read, but even so ...

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 10, 2018 03:35 PM (A2Uq6)



A news source for soccer moms

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 10, 2018 03:39 PM (SiINZ)

218 Like Obama being Irish.

Posted by: garrett at December 10, 2018 03:38 PM (tDk60)
+++++++++++++
O'Bama.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 10, 2018 03:39 PM (I2dne)

219 So.


Fenelon finds tiny sinks a turn-on?

Who knew?

Posted by: garrett at December 10, 2018 03:39 PM (tDk60)

220 Kerry claimed to be part of The Tribe also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2018 03:39 PM (bim/x)

221 Parody song on "Baby, It's Cold outside"

Baby, Just Go Outside:

https://tinyurl.com/y8mcu4tz

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 10, 2018 03:40 PM (AllCR)

222 "zionist" is short for "Jews who are religious in a way other than progressivism" really.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 10, 2018 03:40 PM (39g3+)

223 Like the worst possible mash-up of cat and guitar. Just for the fingernails on a chalkboard effect.
Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 10, 2018 03:29 PM (J+mig)


Exactly.

Posted by: Flyover at December 10, 2018 03:40 PM (B5K06)

224 To respond to this and answer another question upthread; yeah, the trainer we had lost some.

The way families get in the way is they'll make actual contact with the captors and start making promises, etc. Even going to the local press is something that gets back to the captors and they end up with more leverage.

Our trainer said if you're on a call and the captors start hurting the captive, and if the negotiator yields at that moment, then the captors know to just hurt the captive even more if they want something. So it's actually in the captive's interest to be unflappable in that situation, but you can imagine what it's like.

Everything is a moving target when crap like this happens but there are best practices that increase your percentages.

That's horrible. I'm surprised that we haven't heard about these cases. I would imagine that families that endured this would be heartbroken and determined to have this heard.

What in Hell happens in that room between the trainer and the families?

Posted by: zombie Robert Fulton at December 10, 2018 03:40 PM (e1q4h)

225 Somehow I don't think instantaneous Jewish is going to do anything for A.O-C , unless she now becomes one of those I am Jewish but hat Zionism.
Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2018 03:36 PM (/rm4P)


She got any DNA results? Hey, it worked once.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 10, 2018 03:40 PM (A2Uq6)

226 Huh?

Posted by: turkish journalists at December 10, 2018 03:41 PM (Evws/)

227 Please no dentist talk, I have a appointment in a hour and 45

Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2018 03:41 PM (/rm4P)

228 Ah yes - that hotbed of soccer Qatar, World Cup host 2022. Still trying to figure out how that whole hooligan/drinking thing is going to go down during that there shindig.

Posted by: jhawk90 at December 10, 2018 03:41 PM (Xvo1a)

229 ?Que?

Posted by: dead mexican journalists at December 10, 2018 03:41 PM (Evws/)

230 test

Posted by: Diogenes at December 10, 2018 03:41 PM (0tfLf)

231 Who knew?
Posted by: garrett at December 10, 2018 03:39 PM (tDk60)

No; Do you?. You're the one that mentioned having uhhh very-intimate relations with a dentist. I'm not sure where the sink comes into it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 10, 2018 03:42 PM (AllCR)

232 We need a hostage negotiator. Trump will do. I hope.

I just hope we in WA can hire him. I don't like the local GOPe treated him very well.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 03:42 PM (bcbK8)

233 I love my dental assistant. Especially the way she cuddles my head when she is cleaning the uppers.

Sigh.....

Posted by: Diogenes at December 10, 2018 03:42 PM (0tfLf)

234 Hat was supposed to be hate.
I need a bigger keyboard on my tablet . Of course proof reading before posting would help.

Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2018 03:42 PM (/rm4P)

235 no dentist talk, I have a appointment in a hour and 45
Posted by: Skip at D



you should't worry, modern dentistry is nothing like the olders stuff. you won't feel much, since you will be under the meds and they do not want to molest you hard enough to leave a mark.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2018 03:43 PM (MTjB1)

236 221 Parody song on "Baby, It's Cold outside"

Baby, Just Go Outside:

https://tinyurl.com/y8mcu4tz
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 10, 2018 03:40 PM (AllCR)

So... this version has the woman talking his ear off, as he is trying to get her out the door.

Why doesn't she just LEAVE?

Oh, that's right, because she really does not want to.

Posted by: Don Q at December 10, 2018 03:43 PM (NgKpN)

237 Willing to suck Qatari dick for $1.2-million.

Posted by: weekly standard journalists at December 10, 2018 03:43 PM (Evws/)

238 you should't worry, modern dentistry is nothing like the olders stuff. you won't feel much, since you will be under the meds and they do not want to molest you hard enough to leave a mark.

I think I was tucked!!

Posted by: Jerry Seinfeld at December 10, 2018 03:43 PM (BrQrN)

239 >>o dentist talk, I have a appointment in a hour and 45


Tuck in your shirt!

Posted by: garrett at December 10, 2018 03:43 PM (tDk60)

240 217 Of course, People magazine is for people who move their lips when they read, but even so ...

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 10, 2018 03:35 PM (A2Uq6)

A news source for soccer moms
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 10, 2018 03:39 PM (SiINZ)


In checkout lines I'm always puzzled to see magazines with screaming headlines "SHE'S HAVING A BABY!!"

I always joke, "Don't look at me. I never laid a hand on her," but I wonder why anyone outside the celeb's immediate family and close friends would care. But obviously, a lot of people must, or the magazines wouldn't keep doing this.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 10, 2018 03:44 PM (A2Uq6)

241
And it might have to do with Qatar paying huge money to the Brookings Institution.

We were doing it anyways to cover for our jug-eared BoyFriend. Getting paid is a bonus.

Posted by: MediaPansies at December 10, 2018 03:44 PM (FhXTo)

242 you know, my mom and dad went to what's his name the lion slayer dentist.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2018 03:45 PM (MTjB1)

243 Somewhat off topic but lefties keep screaming about Trump being on 'thin ice'..me thinks PM May and Macron are the ones floundering.

Posted by: IC at December 10, 2018 03:45 PM (a0IVu)

244 I was surprised to see the county that I live in mentioned on national news this morning. Apparently we brought in an extra $10M this year, by housing illegal aliens in our county jail. Now the fucking locusts will swarm in from Chicago to protest (destroy property).

Posted by: Chris M at December 10, 2018 03:45 PM (eAZVt)

245 In checkout lines I'm always puzzled to see magazines with screaming headlines "SHE'S HAVING A BABY!!"

I always joke, "Don't look at me. I never laid a hand on her," but I wonder why anyone outside the celeb's immediate family and close friends would care. But obviously, a lot of people must, or the magazines wouldn't keep doing this.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 10, 2018 03:44 PM



Jennifer Anniston must be on her 12th kid by now. What a stretched out old hag.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 10, 2018 03:45 PM (0tfLf)

246 you should't worry, modern dentistry is nothing like the olders stuff. you won't feel much,

Old joke. A nervous patient asks his dentist if the tooth extraction is going to hurt much.

"Oh no, not at all. Well, sometimes my arm does cramp up, but usually no pain at all."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 10, 2018 03:46 PM (A2Uq6)

247
remember when YUKON CORNELIUS' little gay elf friend wanted to be a DENTIST?

Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at December 10, 2018 03:46 PM (eC1xx)

248 That $150 Billion was smart diplomacy, dammit.

Posted by: Barky McBarkface at December 10, 2018 03:46 PM (YvUf/)

249 Well, Judge Kavanaugh has just done his first shanking in our backs...along with Roberts. Re: PP
Good pick Trump.

When will SCROTUS address 2A rights? Never that's when.


Posted by: Under Fire at December 10, 2018 03:46 PM (r9UYA)

250 >>remember when YUKON CORNELIUS' little gay elf friend wanted to be a DENTIST?


Herbie?

Posted by: garrett at December 10, 2018 03:46 PM (tDk60)

251 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 10, 2018 03:44 PM (A2Uq6)

Yeah, its like the #1 story on MSN yesterday when I opened my browser...

What Queen Liz gave her staff for Christmas.

Like... someone CARES?

Posted by: Don Q at December 10, 2018 03:48 PM (NgKpN)

252 >>What Queen Liz gave her staff for Christmas.


She wrapped up her cat.

Posted by: garrett at December 10, 2018 03:48 PM (tDk60)

253 Honestly. I couldn't care less about Kashoggi. He's a subject of people who cut your head of with a sword for various offenses. Not that I love the House of Saud, but it's their business and it would be a fools errand to undermine our entire foreign policy for one douche who wan't smart enough to keep his mouth shut.
On the other hand, these hostages matter and the fact that Obama treated them like collateral damage is a disgrace. These are American citizens.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 10, 2018 03:49 PM (VpIIl)

254 That's horrible. I'm surprised that we haven't heard about these cases. I would imagine that families that endured this would be heartbroken and determined to have this heard.

What in Hell happens in that room between the trainer and the families?
Posted by: zombie Robert Fulton at December 10, 2018 03:40 PM (e1q4h)

....

You hire a negotiator because you know that no one in your group has the chops or experience to do it, and you hire them agreeing that their methodology has the best chance to work, and that evil people may do evil things at the end of the day, no matter what.

I'm sure people slip into blame and recrimination. FWIW, most people in regions where hostages tend to get taken know the risks.

The only people in my view who deserve blame, other than the terrorists, are NGO's that leave people in dangerous places even when they have very, very clean info indicating that is a stupid thing to do. The NGO workers themselves are often idiots as well.

We had a warden's meeting with the consulate general in East Java one time, when the consulate was recalling all non-essential personnel. He had some really interesting points to make about humans' inability to correctly assess their own security risks in certain situations. It's far better to have an outside observer assess and then follow their advice.

Posted by: TexasDan at December 10, 2018 03:49 PM (yL25O)

255 Actually Qatar is pronounced as a mashup of cuck - tard
Cu-tar

Posted by: Votermom's phone on Happy Happy Joy Joy SpaceForce at December 10, 2018 03:49 PM (+4NQ8)

256 >> Fucking Dentists.

Ah, a fellow anti-Dentite. Hail and well met, sir.

Posted by: Jerry Seinfeld at December 10, 2018 03:50 PM (f1Vqw)

257 252 >>What Queen Liz gave her staff for Christmas.


She wrapped up her cat.
Posted by: garrett at December 10, 2018 03:48 PM (tDk60)

Or stories about Markle feuding w/ everyone. *eye roll*

Posted by: IC at December 10, 2018 03:50 PM (a0IVu)

258 Jennifer Anniston must be on her 12th kid by now. What a stretched out old hag.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 10, 2018 03:45 PM (0tfLf)

Whatever her flaws, Jennifer Aniston has no kids.

I think she looks ok for her age. She's no Christie Brinkley, but nobody is.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 03:50 PM (bcbK8)

259 So what's the time limit on hostages? I mean after a while they just become prisoners, right? If they aren't being let free after 150 million in bills and lifted sanctions, what are they hostages over, exactly?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 10, 2018 03:51 PM (39g3+)

260 Obama trades AQ terrorists, who went right back to what they were doing, for a deserter.

Innocent American hostages held by the Iranians- not so much.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 10, 2018 03:51 PM (VpIIl)

261 think she looks ok for her age. She's no Christie Brinkley, but nobody is.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at D



you are correct, including brinkley.


someone did some interview with jennifer anniston where she said her mom told her she was ugly when she was a kid. that was before the nose job.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2018 03:52 PM (MTjB1)

262 Why doesn't she just LEAVE?

Oh, that's right, because she really does not want to.
Posted by: Don Q at December 10, 2018 03:43 PM (NgKpN


Well, I think you're probably over analyzing the parody but yes, I think the original version was about mutual seduction games and the loonies went crazy-as the loonies will

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 10, 2018 03:52 PM (AllCR)

263 256 >> Fucking Dentists.

Ah, a fellow anti-Dentite


or a dentosexual

Posted by: Anachronda at December 10, 2018 03:52 PM (NmR1a)

264 The Dentist Song:

http://tinyurl.com/yc3zpzvg

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 10, 2018 03:52 PM (2qPhT)

265
One of my old dentist's favorite stories: An old lady, passed now, used to be a neighbor, was in there and he was working on her.

"Mrs. X, am I hurting you?", he asks.

"No, you're not", she replies.

"Well, you're sure hurting me, Mrs. X, please stop biting my finger!"

Posted by: publius, the Duke of Miley's Ficus at December 10, 2018 03:53 PM (f1Vqw)

266 All of us in Brattleboro are excited to hear they have enough evidence to inpreach Trump. The town is buzzing today and that means Hillary may be are Presdent by the end of the year !!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattlboro, VT at December 10, 2018 03:53 PM (qM84C)

267 Drill 'em, fill 'em, bill 'em.

Posted by: ADA motto at December 10, 2018 03:53 PM (2qPhT)

268 Whatever her flaws, Jennifer Aniston has no kids.

I think she looks ok for her age. She's no Christie Brinkley, but nobody is.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 03:50 PM (bcbK

--------------

I have to agree. I think she looks better now then when she was younger. The fact that I am about her age prolly has something to do with this.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 10, 2018 03:53 PM (ffYR/)

269 There was also Pence's Fake Fake Rabbi.

You would think these people who operate at high levels would vet their retinue. weird they don't

Posted by: torabora at December 10, 2018 03:54 PM (k/w1G)

270 BREAKING: Captain Biff Kristol to set sail for Qatar immediately on an undisclosed rescue mission. Ahoy!

Posted by: ShainS -- Mueller Witchhunt Survivor at December 10, 2018 03:54 PM (Yx4H0)

271 Dave in TX made the sidebar.

Come back Dave!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 03:54 PM (bcbK8)

272 Posted by: Marcus T at December 10, 2018 03:49 PM (VpIIl)

If you dig a bit, you find most of them are DUAL citizens, something I think we need to get rid of again.

About the only one who isn't is the Ex FBI Agent, who was sent there on a CIA operation.

Posted by: Don Q at December 10, 2018 03:55 PM (NgKpN)

273 I dated an Iranian girl in college. Her family was kicked out after the terrorists took down the Shah. She was absolutely gorgeous and very rich. But she was also a moon worshipers. Deal-breaker

Posted by: Marcus T at December 10, 2018 03:55 PM (VpIIl)

274 258 Jennifer Anniston must be on her 12th kid by now. What a stretched out old hag.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 10, 2018 03:45 PM (0tfLf)

Whatever her flaws, Jennifer Aniston has no kids.

I think she looks ok for her age. She's no Christie Brinkley, but nobody is.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 03:50 PM



No. I'm serious.
I was in the line at Freddies and saw it in the magazine. A lot of different fathers. Ben, Obama, Elvis, among others, and Zgrozop who lives on the Comet Kahotek.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 10, 2018 03:56 PM (0tfLf)

275 I thought Jennifer Aniston looked cute when she was on Friends (early on at least) but something about her annoys the hell out of me, like Mr Fist keeps showing up. I don't know how to put a finger on it. She seems like one of those perpetual victims who manages to shift blame on everyone else around her and walk away free while acting like a martyr.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 10, 2018 03:56 PM (39g3+)

276 I dated an Iranian girl in college. Her family was kicked out after the terrorists took down the Shah. She was absolutely gorgeous and very rich. But she was also a moon worshipers. Deal-breaker
Posted by: Marcus T
-------

Remarkably, in a single day, the Iranians that I knew at school all became 'Persians'.

Posted by: ADA motto at December 10, 2018 03:57 PM (2qPhT)

277 "Posted by: Don Q at December 10, 2018 03:55 PM (NgKpN)
"

Understood and I don't necessarily disagree. Some of them were also poking the bear, which is never good.

But that being stated, they still carry the American imprimatur, some also jointly carry the Stoopid imprimatur.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 10, 2018 03:57 PM (VpIIl)

278 But she was also a moon worshipers. Deal-breaker
Posted by: Marcus T at December 10, 2018 03:55 PM (VpIIl)

...

Like Islam moon worshipper or zoroastrian?

Posted by: TexasDan at December 10, 2018 03:57 PM (yL25O)

279 I dated an Iranian girl in college. Her family was kicked out after the terrorists took down the Shah. She was absolutely gorgeous and very rich.

Persian women are notoriously beautiful, something to do with the empire importing every gorgeous woman on earth to be in harems I suspect.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 10, 2018 03:58 PM (39g3+)

280 President Hot For Teacher is pandering to the French union bosses. he proposes another increase in the minimum wage.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 10, 2018 03:58 PM (uqH9e)

281 Oops. /motto sock

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 10, 2018 03:58 PM (2qPhT)

282 262 Why doesn't she just LEAVE?

Oh, that's right, because she really does not want to.
Posted by: Don Q at December 10, 2018 03:43 PM (NgKpN


Well, I think you're probably over analyzing the parody but yes, I think the original version was about mutual seduction games and the loonies went crazy-as the loonies will
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 10, 2018 03:52 PM (AllCR)

I think its just a difference between how Men would hear that parody, and Ladies would.

About the 5th line I was going... damn... leave already.

Posted by: Don Q at December 10, 2018 03:58 PM (NgKpN)

283
Christie's youngest daughter Sailor, Daily Mail:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6474683

I must say, Alexa has her beat. I thought it was the other way around. And yep, 64 yr old Mama has 'em both beat.

Posted by: publius, the Duke of Miley's Ficus at December 10, 2018 03:58 PM (f1Vqw)

284 274 258 Jennifer Anniston must be on her 12th kid by now. What a stretched out old hag.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 10, 2018 03:45 PM (0tfLf)

Whatever her flaws, Jennifer Aniston has no kids.

I think she looks ok for her age. She's no Christie Brinkley, but nobody is.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 03:50 PM


No. I'm serious.
I was in the line at Freddies and saw it in the magazine. A lot of different fathers. Ben, Obama, Elvis, among others, and Zgrozop who lives on the Comet Kahotek.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 10, 2018 03:56 PM (0tfLf)

Zgrozop really gets around. Must be the comet commute.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 03:59 PM (bcbK8)

285 You hire a negotiator because you know that no one in your group has the chops or experience to do it, and you hire them agreeing that their methodology has the best chance to work, and that evil people may do evil things at the end of the day, no matter what.

I'm sure people slip into blame and recrimination. FWIW, most people in regions where hostages tend to get taken know the risks.

The only people in my view who deserve blame, other than the terrorists, are NGO's that leave people in dangerous places even when they have very, very clean info indicating that is a stupid thing to do. The NGO workers themselves are often idiots as well.

We had a warden's meeting with the consulate general in East Java one time, when the consulate was recalling all non-essential personnel. He had some really interesting points to make about humans' inability to correctly assess their own security risks in certain situations. It's far better to have an outside observer assess and then follow their advice.
Posted by: TexasDan at December 10, 2018 03:49 PM (yL25O)

Reminds me of the Anthony Bourdain when he was in Lebanon and they had to get out because of the Isreali's Started to bomb Hezbola Rockets and the security expert on how they were going to get out and look after yourself.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at December 10, 2018 03:59 PM (dKiJG)

286 Now that sounds like collusion.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 10, 2018 03:59 PM (/qEW2)

287 the knock on the Parsees is that they were fire worshippers.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 10, 2018 04:00 PM (uqH9e)

288 Like Islam moon worshipper or zoroastrian?

Posted by: TexasDan at December 10, 2018 03:57 PM (yL25O)"
Westernized Shi'a Mooslimb. Like the Shah. Her house was like a fortress. It even had miniature minarets built into the stone wall around the property. Oh yeah, and armed guards. Like they were waiting for someone to come visit type guards.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 10, 2018 04:00 PM (VpIIl)

289 Hey! Denty!

Posted by: adolf at December 10, 2018 04:00 PM (Evws/)

290
I sometimes worship Yanet Garcia's moon.

Posted by: publius, the Duke of Miley's Ficus at December 10, 2018 04:00 PM (f1Vqw)

291 No. I'm serious.
I was in the line at Freddies and saw it in the magazine. A lot of different fathers. Ben, Obama, Elvis, among others, and Zgrozop who lives on the Comet Kahotek.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 10, 2018 03:56 PM (0tfLf)

Zgrozop really gets around. Must be the comet commute.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 03:59 PM (bcbK

Zgrozop is how you say Paulo in Klingon

Posted by: Don Q at December 10, 2018 04:01 PM (NgKpN)

292 276 I dated an Iranian girl in college. Her family was kicked out after the
terrorists took down the Shah. She was absolutely gorgeous and very
rich. But she was also a moon worshipers. Deal-breaker

Posted by: Marcus T


Knew one Persian/Iranian girl, also college. Also so beautiful she could make a grown man weep.

Also batshit crazy.

Posted by: DocJ at December 10, 2018 04:01 PM (NYS7S)

293 When I was visiting Savannah, the best meal I had was in an Iranian restaurant called 'Persepolis'. Saffron and honey from Iran, chicken and beef skewers. Amazingly good food.

I tipped heavily.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 04:01 PM (bcbK8)

294 275 I thought Jennifer Aniston looked cute when she was on Friends (early on at least) but something about her annoys the hell out of me, like Mr Fist keeps showing up. I don't know how to put a finger on it. She seems like one of those perpetual victims who manages to shift blame on everyone else around her and walk away free while acting like a martyr.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 10, 2018 03:56 PM



OK. Sarc aside.
I concur.
While I think she is hot, she reminds me of the high school cheerleader who always had that fake smile for everyone but was always looking past you for someone she really wants to talk to.

That said, I talked to a friend in the "biz" and the rumor is that early on in her career, she was a real down-to-earth kid.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 10, 2018 04:02 PM (0tfLf)

295 Reminds me of the Anthony Bourdain when he was in Lebanon and they had to get out because of the Isreali's Started to bomb Hezbola Rockets and the security expert on how they were going to get out and look after yourself.

I get that he was in Lebanon surrounded by Lebanese but that show was the last one of his I watched because the tone was all "oh look at these good people being abused by the filthy Joo." After the Cambodian one, I think it was, where he sat like a bobblehead and nodded at the idiot saying every single unexploded device they found was all USA and the Americans were terrible and evil and were the source of all their woes.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 10, 2018 04:02 PM (39g3+)

296 290
I sometimes worship Yanet Garcia's moon.
Posted by: publius, the Duke of Miley's Ficus at December 10, 2018 04:00 PM (f1Vqw)

Now that's theology I can get behind.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 04:02 PM (bcbK8)

297 Zgrozop is how you say Paulo in Klingon

Posted by: Don Q at December 10, 2018 04:01 PM (NgKpN)


The Horde is en fuego today.

Posted by: DocJ at December 10, 2018 04:02 PM (NYS7S)

298 "Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 10, 2018 03:58 PM (39g3+)
"

She was probably one of the most beautiful women I ever met, and back then I met quite a few. She was also very into Western guys, especially of Italian descent.

And now I need a cold shower...

Posted by: Marcus T at December 10, 2018 04:03 PM (VpIIl)

299

Forget all about that nacho stuff and learn how to play Qatar.

Posted by: John Mellonhead at December 10, 2018 04:03 PM (aKsyK)

300 Qatar expected to transfer $15 million to Hamas on Thursday
Reports say Qatar to give Hamas monthly cash infusion on Thursday as part of long-term cease fire.


This is better than nothing. At least it's not us funding those who want to destroy us. The other Muslim nations realized "oh shit, the US is no longer dumb enough to fund Hamas, I guess we'll have to do it".

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 10, 2018 04:03 PM (/qEW2)

301 Zgrozop is how you say Paulo in Klingon

The Zgrozop, he must visit the Vulcans during Pon'Far often. Wears out Zgrozop.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 10, 2018 04:04 PM (39g3+)

302 When I was visiting Savannah, the best meal I had was in an Iranian restaurant
-------

Everyone goes to Savannah for the Iranian food. Best on the Gulf coast.

Posted by: Barky McIdiot at December 10, 2018 04:04 PM (w54mS)

303 I dated an Iranian girl in college. Her family was kicked out after the terrorists took down the Shah. She was absolutely gorgeous and very rich. But she was also a moon worshipers. Deal-breaker
Posted by: Marcus T at December 10, 2018 03:55 PM (VpIIl)

Deal-breaker for You? Or her, or more specifically her family?

Posted by: JoeF. at December 10, 2018 04:04 PM (NFEMn)

304 Wasn't that youtuber chick who tried to shoot up youtube an Iranian vegan?

Posted by: Votermom's phone on Happy Happy Joy Joy SpaceForce at December 10, 2018 04:04 PM (+4NQ8)

305
Re Persian hotties: Behold Mahlagha Jaberi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr7mQMm7eNA

An image search will be well worth your while, I guaran-damn-tee.

Posted by: publius, the Duke of Miley's Ficus at December 10, 2018 04:05 PM (f1Vqw)

306 "Reports say Qatar to give Hamas monthly cash infusion on Thursday as part of long-term cease fire"

cease fire... you are doing it wrong

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 10, 2018 04:05 PM (uqH9e)

307 304 Wasn't that youtuber chick who tried to shoot up youtube an Iranian vegan?
Posted by: Votermom's phone on Happy Happy Joy Joy SpaceForce at December 10, 2018 04:04 PM (+4NQ

Yup. She wasn't very good at it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 04:05 PM (bcbK8)

308 "Qatar expected to transfer $15 million to Hamas on Thursday

Reports say Qatar to give Hamas monthly cash infusion on Thursday as part of long-term cease fire."

And the next time Hamas hits the U.S. or an American s killed, we should mosey an aircraft out of Al Udeid and strafe downtown Doha...

Posted by: Marcus T at December 10, 2018 04:06 PM (VpIIl)

309 Re Persian hotties: Behold Mahlagha Jaberi

She looks like if she fell on a pillow face first she'd leave a portrait behind.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 10, 2018 04:06 PM (39g3+)

310 Knew one Persian/Iranian girl, also college. Also so beautiful she could make a grown man weep.

Also batshit crazy.
Posted by: DocJ at December 10, 2018 04:01 PM (NYS7S)

Wasn't QB Steve McNair offed by a crazy Persian chick he was banging?

Posted by: JoeF. at December 10, 2018 04:07 PM (NFEMn)

311 "Reports say Qatar to give Hamas monthly cash infusion on Thursday as part of long-term cease fire"
--------

Excellent plan, smart diplomacy!

Posted by: Barky McIdiot at December 10, 2018 04:07 PM (2qPhT)

312 the shooty YouTuber was an Azeri, so sort of para-Iranian, sort of Turk. came from the part of Adharbaygan that is still under Tehran's rule.

Either way I blame inbreeding.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 10, 2018 04:07 PM (uqH9e)

313 "Deal-breaker for You? Or her, or more specifically her family?

Posted by: JoeF. at December 10, 2018 04:04 PM (NFEMn)"
Mostly for me because daddy wanted a Mooselimb. I wasn't going to give up my Lord and Savior for devil worship.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 10, 2018 04:07 PM (VpIIl)

314 309 Re Persian hotties: Behold Mahlagha Jaberi

She looks like if she fell on a pillow face first she'd leave a portrait behind.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 10, 2018 04:06 PM (39g3+)

...in a good way?

She has a Victoria's Secret model look to her.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 10, 2018 04:07 PM (bcbK8)

315 ...in a good way?

In a way that makes me wonder what she looks like without 3 pounds of makeup troweled on her face.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 10, 2018 04:08 PM (39g3+)

316 305
Re Persian hotties: Behold Mahlagha Jaberi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr7mQMm7eNA

An image search will be well worth your while, I guaran-damn-tee.

Posted by: publius, the Duke of Miley's Ficus at December 10, 2018 04:05 PM



I'd let her play with my scimitar.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 10, 2018 04:08 PM (0tfLf)

317 Re Persian hotties: Behold Mahlagha Jaberi

She looks like if she fell on a pillow face first she'd leave a portrait behind.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 10, 2018 04:06 PM (39g3+)

Sara Shahi, a Persian-American actress who appeared on a lot of TV shows was gorgeous when she first started out...

Posted by: JoeF. at December 10, 2018 04:09 PM (NFEMn)

318
There is not much variety in looks for Iranian girls.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 10, 2018 04:09 PM (TAmPV)

319 cease fire... you are doing it wrong
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo
----------

Correct! A non-aggression pact would work better. Will save many lives!

Posted by: Russia, June 1941 at December 10, 2018 04:09 PM (2qPhT)

320 "In a way that makes me wonder what she looks like without 3 pounds of makeup troweled on her face."

I'm dying here. Makeup by DAP...

Posted by: Marcus T at December 10, 2018 04:09 PM (VpIIl)

321 I get that he was in Lebanon surrounded by Lebanese but that show was the last one of his I watched because the tone was all "oh look at these good people being abused by the filthy Joo." After the Cambodian one, I think it was, where he sat like a bobblehead and nodded at the idiot saying every single unexploded device they found was all USA and the Americans were terrible and evil and were the source of all their woes.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 10, 2018 04:02 PM (39g3+)

Yeah kept saying how he wanted to punch Henry Kissinger

He was an ass

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at December 10, 2018 04:10 PM (dKiJG)

322 A lot of the Iranians age like most of the Greek and Russian women. All of a sudden years down the road you wake up next to a babushka with a hump on her back...

Posted by: Marcus T at December 10, 2018 04:11 PM (VpIIl)

323 Mostly for me because daddy wanted a Mooselimb. I wasn't going to give up my Lord and Savior for devil worship.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 10, 2018 04:07 PM (VpIIl)

Well, if "Paris was worth a Mass."

You could have faked it and prayed to Jesus every night saying you were just kidding....

What's a little Taqia between friends?

Posted by: JoeF. at December 10, 2018 04:12 PM (NFEMn)

324 306 "Reports say Qatar to give Hamas monthly cash infusion on Thursday as part of long-term cease fire"

cease fire... you are doing it wrong
Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 10, 2018 04:05 PM (uqH9e)


"Cease fire" is what you say to your guys after they've blasted the shit out of the other guys. See, e.g., the final battle in "Zulu."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 10, 2018 04:13 PM (A2Uq6)

325 nood except NO DENTISTS!

Posted by: adolf at December 10, 2018 04:13 PM (Evws/)

326 "What's a little Taqia between friends?"
Meh. She probably looks like that dude on the Led Zeppelin IV album now.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 10, 2018 04:15 PM (VpIIl)

327 Doesn't this make the Brookings Institution an Unregistered Foreign Agent?

Posted by: rayra at December 10, 2018 04:19 PM (Pgsaa)

328 Louis Farrakhan needs to hear from these people and just what they think of his anti-america speech this scum sucker gave there

Posted by: Tamaa Bird 1000 Voices at December 10, 2018 04:28 PM (wGqjj)

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