Wonderful: As Paris Burns, Republicans Join Democrats to Put Tax on Carbon (The Invisible Killer)

Is this how you got Trump? Because I think this sort of thing is how you got Trump.

A group of Republican and Democratic lawmakers have teamed up on a bill that would put a price on carbon as a way to reduce pollution and curb climate change.

The members that have signed onto the House version of the Energy Innovation and Carbon Dividend Act (EICDA) include Ted Deutch (D-Fla.), Charlie Crist (D-Fla.), Francis Rooney (R-Fla.), John Delaney (D-Md.) and Brian Fitzpatrick (R-Pa.).

According to Deutch, the legislation seeks to "help reduce U.S. carbon pollution by 40 percent in 12 years, with a 91 percent reduction target by 2050 (vs. 2015 levels)" by pricing carbon at $15 per metric ton of CO2e and "increasing the price by $10 every year." Annually, the Treasury Department "would return 100 percent of the net revenue back to the American people."

Right, I remember when all the money generated by our Solyndra investment was returned to the American people too.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 03:13 PM




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1 You guys first, then we can talk.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Moar Coffee at December 04, 2018 03:12 PM (LISuA)

2 The Al Gore Personal Enrichment Act

Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 03:12 PM (NWiLs)

3 Yeah, look to France regarding the popularity of higher fuel taxes. Idiots. GOP idiots, the worst....

Posted by: zeera at December 04, 2018 03:12 PM (+UeSQ)

4 Saw this Saturday.Blood pressure spike.

Posted by: steevy at December 04, 2018 03:12 PM (BXMxN)

5 Hmmm...where did I put my Yellow Jacket?

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 04, 2018 03:13 PM (guOXV)

6 >>>"would return 100 percent of the net revenue back to the American people."

What does that look like in practice? Do I get a check in the mail, or...

And why are we using the word "net" here? What expenses are we anticipating?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:13 PM (GBteo)

7 My favorite pull quote from the story:

Annually, the Treasury Department "would return 100 percent of the net revenue back to the American people.

Posted by: Why yes, we do think Americans are stupid at December 04, 2018 03:13 PM (LISuA)

8 Annually, the Treasury Department "would return 100 percent of the net revenue back to the American people."


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*La Noir picture meme here*

X - Doubt

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 04, 2018 03:13 PM (KUaJL)

9 I thought Crist went away. Dammit Florida!

Posted by: EGGO at December 04, 2018 03:13 PM (D4xED)

10 Interesting that the one GOPe who survived the PA blue wave cosigns this bill.

Posted by: kallisto at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (DJFLF)

11 And it's looking like we had a chance to get gas under $2 a gallon around here. $2.19 this morning

Posted by: zeera at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (+UeSQ)

12 For every Solyndra there's at least a dozen success failures.

Posted by: clutch cargo at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (TUU1F)

13 So my electric bill goes up by "x" amount, and even more manufacturing moves to China to avoid this tax... how exactly does this benefit me in any way?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (GBteo)

14 Hopefully the Senate will make short work of killing this crap, before it gets to Trump's veto pen..

Posted by: Leonard Pinth-Garnell at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (7A6l6)

15 Just to be safe, they should also pass a law limiting sun energy delivered to the earth.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Moar Global Warming! at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (LISuA)

16 Welcome to California full time

Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (bQtop)

17 Posted by: kallisto at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (DJFLF)
in the Philly collar counties anyway.

So what's the point if the Senate will thumbs down the bill?

Posted by: kallisto at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (DJFLF)

18 We need to start taxing legislators, with our fists.

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (4e+hS)

19 because of curse they would. they don't like us.

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (8D42x)

20 return 100 percent of the net revenue

Net being the critical word. Expect Hollywood accounting methods.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 03:15 PM (NWiLs)

21 Annually, the Treasury Department "would return 100 percent of the net revenue back to the American people.
Posted by: Why yes, we do think Americans are stupid at December 04, 2018 03:13 PM (LISuA)

Does not that also apply to Welfare, Section 8, SS, Medicare, etc!

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 04, 2018 03:15 PM (JFO2v)

22 Like crack whores seeking their next fix, pols and their "revenue streams".

Posted by: Robschr at December 04, 2018 03:15 PM (xvcfd)

23 And why are we using the word "net" here? What expenses are we anticipating?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes


97% of gross revenues.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:15 PM (c3AZU)

24 I think I've got time to riot.

I don't currently own a yellow vest.

Posted by: JEM at December 04, 2018 03:15 PM (8erNz)

25 Get your yellow jackets heah!

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 04, 2018 03:15 PM (t6MX/)

26 As long as we're taxing killers, let's tax net neutrality.

Oh, and mosques, too.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 04, 2018 03:15 PM (YqDXo)

27 Carbon...

sigh.

Going to be a long two years.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:16 PM (bcbK8)

28 List your gas price, 4.00 here

Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 03:16 PM (bQtop)

29 Oompa Loompa Charlie Crist is back in Congress?

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 04, 2018 03:16 PM (OD2ni)

30 This just turns into a regressive tax, doesn't it? You're not just going to give the money straight back evenly based on how much you paid in, you're going to do some sort of refund based on how "clean" your energy consumption is going to be.

Rich people can disproportionately afford to buy electric cars, pimp their houses out with solar panels, etc, so they're going to they're going to get the benefit, while poor people won't.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 04, 2018 03:16 PM (KUaJL)

31 I'm sick of these people talking bullshit. And I'm sick of people believing the bullshit. Society needs a hard reset.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 03:16 PM (NWiLs)

32 I guess they want riots in the U.S., too.

Posted by: rickl at December 04, 2018 03:16 PM (xjiRE)

33 By chance does this bill explicitly state what the added revenue would be dedicated to in terms of curbing climate change? Or does it go into the nebulous "general fund"?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 04, 2018 03:16 PM (jxbfJ)

34 The GOP is a useless pile of dog shit...


...Generally...


...some members are useless piles of whale shit...


...and some are...


The fleas that feed off of the shit.


This collection of GOP retards are fleas.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 04, 2018 03:16 PM (2JcMg)

35 And it's looking like we had a chance to get gas under $2 a gallon around here. $2.19 this morning

Yeah, and here I am all excited in CA that it's back under $4/gal. Probably due to no more "summer blend."

Posted by: clutch cargo at December 04, 2018 03:16 PM (TUU1F)

36 the Boston and New York City Marathonns should all be taxed.

all that heavy breathing causes global warming! the carbon footprint of all that gasping and panting must be astronomical!

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2018 03:16 PM (d7Ww2)

37 $3.50 ish for gas around Seattle

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:16 PM (bcbK8)

38 Wonderful: As Paris Burns,
Ace: really good sidebar pieces about the riots in Paris. The one Jupiter article describes how the dissatisfaction with Macron is much deeper than simply the gas tax.
Also the CBS piece in the linked youtube is surprisingly SJW lingo free.
There is footage of the french police ganging up on a protestor. Why don't they ever understand only one cop with a baton can do damage? They don't need to gang bang.

Posted by: kallisto at December 04, 2018 03:17 PM (DJFLF)

39 Drain the f'ing swamp.

Obviously, there are donors who pay good money to pay Congressmen to pass this crap.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2018 03:17 PM (W+vEI)

40 "Carbon pollution" is and always has been such transparent weaselry that anyone using it deserves to be throatpunched.

Due to ubiquity, my fist is itchy a lot.

Posted by: Sporkatus at December 04, 2018 03:17 PM (HtLSE)

41 "List your gas price, 4.00 here
Posted by: Tinfolbaby"


2.16 at Costco in DC last night.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 04, 2018 03:17 PM (OD2ni)

42 Whew. I'm just glad they specified Americans to get the net revenue. Because I thought they were going to say Ecuadorians or Guatemalans.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Moar Global Warming! at December 04, 2018 03:17 PM (LISuA)

43 The last twist of the dagger by the feckless RINOs.

Too bad you didn't get purged in 2006

Posted by: Iblis at December 04, 2018 03:17 PM (9221z)

44 "would return 100 percent of the net revenue back to the American people."

What does that look like in practice? Do I get a check in the mail, or...

And why are we using the word "net" here? What expenses are we anticipating?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:13 PM (GBteo)

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Net is after Admin. Expenses and .Gov takes its cut. If 15 cents on the dollar made it back out, I would be amazed. This is their weasel wording to avoid calling it a tax.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 04, 2018 03:17 PM (ffYR/)

45 All I can say is, I hope it hits those the hardest who voted for the pols that support this. To the point it makes them bleed.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:17 PM (c3AZU)

46 You won't do what in my mouth?

Posted by: Cheri at December 04, 2018 03:17 PM (G+Wff)

47 Annually, the Treasury Department "would return 100 percent of the net revenue back to the American people."

Uh, how does one calculate the "net revenue" of the Federal Government?

Posted by: bonhomme at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (9qZ3S)

48 10 Interesting that the one GOPe who survived the PA blue wave cosigns this bill.
Posted by: kallisto at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (DJFLF)

Fitzpatrick spent a TON of money to win this time around so I think he's got a lot of IOUs to pay off.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (RD7QR)

49 Why do these Congresscritters hate trees?

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Moar Global Warming! at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (LISuA)

50 Oh and fuck Charlie Christ with a rusty barbed fish hook.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (bcbK8)

51
Hmmm...where did I put my Yellow Jacket?
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead


I see a money making idea there!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (aKsyK)

52 And why are we using the word "net" here? What expenses are we anticipating?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:13 PM (GBteo)

well, there's government overhead, salaries of the people to manage the funds, graft, overseas trips to see how the French and others are beating the protesters, graft, and other such funds that the "net" ends up being about 15 cents... total. split 320 million ways evenly-ish...

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (8D42x)

53 Double the tax on Congressional jet travel, payable from them or their budgets. Try that for a year and then let's share with the peasants.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (Z04f8)

54 The Uniparty hates industry?! Gasp, shock, etc.

This is the reason that Trump doesn't suck, or anything close to it. It's why whatever comes after Trump will be -much- less tolerant and nice. And it's why no one trusts Republicans.

Posted by: trev006 at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (qqEFK)

55 "List your gas price, 4.00 here
Posted by: Tinfolbaby"



$1.89 Denton County, Texas.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (c3AZU)

56 I'm worried about the climate, so I think we should give the government much more power and control to fix it. Because they're really good at spending money wisely, and avoiding unforeseen second- and third-order effects. The one thing better than empowering our government to take radical action would be empowering the UN.

OK, now I'm trying to wrap my head around what it would be like to actually mean that.

Posted by: JPS at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (n381t)

57 These unipary pols will never learn.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (0OmEj)

58 Fitzpatrick spent a TON of money to win this time around so I think he's got a lot of IOUs to pay off.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (RD7QR)

are you in his district? My district is fooked, barring some Black Swan event of the majority constituents getting a brain.

Posted by: kallisto at December 04, 2018 03:19 PM (DJFLF)

59 I do my part to sequester carbon by putting all my many plastic goods in the local landfill. Say...politicians are made of carbon as well.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 04, 2018 03:19 PM (guOXV)

60 Atmospheric CO2 is essentially a rounding error.

0.04 pct of atmospheric gases...


Humans contribution to that is rounding error to what is essentially a rounding error.


This is all a gigantic scam.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 04, 2018 03:19 PM (2JcMg)

61 A carbon tax was put before the voters in deep blue Washington. It lost 43-57.

Not to worry, the Democratic governor and legislature in Washington will pass a carbon tax this session anyway, despite the voters.

They don't believe that voters in Washington will respond the way the French have.

Posted by: The ARC of History at December 04, 2018 03:19 PM (TEv5V)

62 The Arianespace webcast is starting. An Ariane 5 will launch a pair of satellites from Kourou at 3:37 pm EST.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvUUYaPaEao

Posted by: rickl at December 04, 2018 03:19 PM (xjiRE)

63 REMOVE UNIPARTY

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 04, 2018 03:19 PM (dCxen)

64 54 Double the tax on Congressional jet travel, payable from them or their budgets. Try that for a year and then let's share with the peasants.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (Z04f

An excise tax on all those self-righteous pricks flying to Davos climate summits in private jets.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 03:19 PM (NWiLs)

65 This just turns into a regressive tax, doesn't it? You're not just going to give the money straight back evenly based on how much you paid in, you're going to do some sort of refund based on how "clean" your energy consumption is going to be.

Rich people can disproportionately afford to buy electric cars, pimp their houses out with solar panels, etc, so they're going to they're going to get the benefit, while poor people won't.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 04, 2018 03:16 PM (KUaJL)

Well, also, the largest carbon "releasers" are:

farmers (livestock)
electric power plants (coal, natural gas)
industry (manufacturing, transportation, etc.)

So who is going to be paying this tax (indirectly, at least)? Well, people who live in farm country with coal power plants that rely on diesel trucks to deliver goods to them.

Who isn't going to be paying this tax? People who have nuclear power (or high concentrations of people running off massive efficient gas power plants will only see small increases), don't have livestock, and are served by rail (price per ton per mile is much lower) and/or are near a port.

In other words, blue cities will have a low tax burden per person while rural areas will have a higher one.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:20 PM (GBteo)

66 Can we just call it the Affordable Dividend Act for short?

Posted by: ShainS -- Facial Scarring Survivor at December 04, 2018 03:20 PM (IFUWa)

67 I do admire Fitzpatrick for putting up a good fight and understanding what his district expects from a RINO.

Posted by: kallisto at December 04, 2018 03:20 PM (DJFLF)

68 Taxation with representation? In which cucks pocket is this going to?

Posted by: Archer at December 04, 2018 03:20 PM (3If25)

69 $2.51 Northshore MA

Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2018 03:20 PM (W+vEI)

70 The GOPe wouldn't be the GOPe if it weren't accommodating the Left's grand plan one bite at a time.

Fucking useless coward shitballs.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 04, 2018 03:20 PM (7TCRf)

71 Net is after Admin. Expenses and .Gov takes its cut.
If 15 cents on the dollar made it back out, I would be amazed. This is
their weasel wording to avoid calling it a tax.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 04, 2018 03:17 PM (ffYR/)

And 100% of net revenue is returned to the American people in all sorts of wealth redistribution schemes.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 04, 2018 03:20 PM (t6MX/)

72 "would return 100 percent of the net revenue back to the American people."

That doesn't mean what they want you to think it means.

Posted by: Roland THTG at December 04, 2018 03:20 PM (88+cf)

73 It's a tax.

Whew. Got that out of the way early.

Posted by: Chief Justice Tax at December 04, 2018 03:20 PM (A0ryi)

74 Cheap Carbon!!!..... Getcha Cheap Carbon heah!!!

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2018 03:20 PM (ffWPP)

75 Fucking idiots.

Posted by: wth at December 04, 2018 03:21 PM (HgMAr)

76 the "net" ends up being about 15 cents... total. split 320 million ways evenly-ish...

I was thinking Elmer Fudd's inheritance from Uncle Louie in The Wabbit Who Came to Supper:

"...which weaves you owing us fwee dollars and sixtyfive cents. Pwease wemit"

Posted by: Sporkatus at December 04, 2018 03:21 PM (HtLSE)

77 Require that all Congresspeople and staffers fly commercial - no private jets, no Air Force jets.

After all, we all need to do our part./s

Posted by: The ARC of History at December 04, 2018 03:21 PM (TEv5V)

78 Let's not forget the VAT, which they are still drooling over in anticipation of enacting. That's a goody if there ever was one.

Posted by: washrivergal at December 04, 2018 03:21 PM (rE1pK)

79 $2.17 in Delaware.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 04, 2018 03:21 PM (Z04f8)

80 2.95 Mesa County Colorado.

Posted by: Cheri at December 04, 2018 03:21 PM (G+Wff)

81 well, there's government overhead, salaries of the people to manage the funds, graft, overseas trips to see how the French and others are beating the protesters, graft, and other such funds that the "net" ends up being about 15 cents... total. split 320 million ways evenly-ish...
Posted by: SturmToddler at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (8D42x)

Right. And we'll "get that money back" by using the money to offset phantom tax increases or some such nonsense, I'm sure.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:21 PM (GBteo)

82 OT from some thread a wee time ago. An observation as a damm foreigner, the divide in the US, to my eyes is the rural vs urban outlook. Cities are more inclined to be asshole magnets, whereas rural types more likely to have "old fashioned " values. All I know is that people in small town Utah and at Texas gun shows are the most polite and friendly fuckers I have ever met.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at December 04, 2018 03:22 PM (bgJ0E)

83 List your gas price, 4.00 here
Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 03:16 PM (bQtop)

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Half that here in Suburban Atl. Some places are $1.97 or so.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 04, 2018 03:22 PM (ffYR/)

84 This is posturing for the Greenies...
and graft, always the graft....

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2018 03:22 PM (ffWPP)

85 Butt wipes pure butt wipes.

Posted by: Archer at December 04, 2018 03:22 PM (3If25)

86 A trace gas that comprises less than 1 percent of the atmosphere is imbued with magical powers, simultaneously destroying the planet and yet also keeping us from slipping out of the slightly warmer period we have been in for 20K years, and back into the fucking ice age we have been in for over 2 million years.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 04, 2018 03:22 PM (O033+)

87 Global Warming has killed us so many times already what's the point?I mean those of us on the coast already had to grow gills to survive in our sunken cities...

Posted by: steevy at December 04, 2018 03:22 PM (BXMxN)

88 In other words, blue cities will have a low tax burden per person while rural areas will have a higher one.

All part of the plan, of course.

At the Democratic Party, we are all about benefitting our friends and screwing our enemies.

Posted by: The Democrats at December 04, 2018 03:22 PM (TEv5V)

89 Gas is 2.08, for the cheap stuff.....

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2018 03:22 PM (ffWPP)

90 I've thought for a while Republicans would be smart to go after Democrats on what they want to do in response to "climate change" rather than debate the science of it.

I'm sure if you polled people, huge majorities buy into climate change, but when you poll them on say if they want their utility bill doubled to buy a bunch of wind farms, you get a much different response.

Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2018 03:22 PM (UfkIY)

91 I think I paid $2.40ish in NH a few days ago when I filled up.

I don't know, I didn't really pay attention.

Cheaper then it has been, but not as cheap as it was a few years ago when it got below $2.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:23 PM (GBteo)

92 And yet no riots in Cali because of prices

Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 03:23 PM (bQtop)

93 Require that all Congresspeople and staffers fly commercial - no private jets, no Air Force jets.

After all, we all need to do our part./s

Posted by: The ARC

The downside of that is the possibility of having to sit next to a Congressman. Ick.

Posted by: Cheri at December 04, 2018 03:23 PM (G+Wff)

94 All I know is that people in small town Utah and at Texas gun shows are the most polite and friendly fuckers I have ever met.
Posted by: NZFrank


An armed society is a polite society.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:23 PM (c3AZU)

95
Annually, the Treasury Department "would return 100 percent of the net revenue back to the American people."

Gee, thanks guys! Giving us our own money back. Less a small "administrative fee".

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 03:23 PM (BWL+E)

96 $1.95 here, but some people are dumb enough to pay for "better gas" so the avg is still at $2.20.

Posted by: EGGO at December 04, 2018 03:23 PM (D4xED)

97 45 All I can say is, I hope it hits those the hardest who voted for the pols that support this. To the point it makes them bleed.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:17 PM (c3AZU)


Brian Fitzpatrick is my very own congresscritter. I suppose I could have stayed at home or voted for his Democrat opponent, Scott Wallace, who is a literal red diaper baby. His grandfather was FDR's VP Henry Wallace, a stone Commie.

Mark my words: This shit keeps up, Republican turnout will plummet in 2020. The Democrats won't even need vote fraud.

Posted by: rickl at December 04, 2018 03:23 PM (xjiRE)

98 $1.97 near Toledo.

Really, do we have enough rope and lampposts? We might need to invest in more.

Posted by: WOPR at December 04, 2018 03:23 PM (J70i0)

99 I think a law requiring all of Congress to cease expelling CO2 into the atmosphere would be an excellent start.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Moar Global Warming! at December 04, 2018 03:23 PM (LISuA)

100 So, just like Café standards and the Passenger car..

Oh, and Health Insurance.

Our government will intercede in the economy, via the Tax system, and destroy large portions of the economy.

For non existing crises.

Posted by: Don Q at December 04, 2018 03:23 PM (NgKpN)

101 Wall on the southern border - NO!

Carbon tax - YES!

Vote Republican

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 04, 2018 03:24 PM (OLCnA)

102 82 OT from some thread a wee time ago. An observation as a damm foreigner, the divide in the US, to my eyes is the rural vs urban outlook. Cities are more inclined to be asshole magnets, whereas rural types more likely to have "old fashioned " values. All I know is that people in small town Utah and at Texas gun shows are the most polite and friendly fuckers I have ever met.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at December 04, 2018 03:22 PM (bgJ0E)


...I also think it's self selecting.

I grew up in an urban area, and now live in a rural'ish area.

I know a lot of people who have done the same move as me (not necessarily for politics, but its kind of tied in), and many who have done the reverse.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:24 PM (GBteo)

103 I don't see why workers in Montana can't just take mass transit out to the job site.

If they insist on driving, that's their problem.

Posted by: A Left-Wing Resident of Portland at December 04, 2018 03:24 PM (TEv5V)

104 All of that tax will end up in a EU-like transnational governing body.

Yes, this is one-world government evil territory.

Thanks a lot, NRO / AEI / Tru-Con turds. This is your fucking doing.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 04, 2018 03:24 PM (7TCRf)

105 >>the legislation seeks to "help reduce U.S. carbon pollution by 40 percent in 12 years, with a 91 percent reduction target by 2050 (vs. 2015 levels)" by pricing carbon at $15 per metric ton of CO2e and "increasing the price by $10 every year."


Hasn't the US been reducing its carbon footprint despite not signing on to the Paris Accord - and without some bogus carbon credit system?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2018 03:24 PM (W+vEI)

106
Otherwise known as the Let's Kill All The Trees By Starving Them Of Carbon Dioxide. Die, Pine, Die Act

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 04, 2018 03:24 PM (veoSD)

107 $3.45 in South Dakota. I run 91 octane in the winter. No ethanol.

Posted by: Archer at December 04, 2018 03:24 PM (3If25)

108 6 >>>"would return 100 percent of the net revenue back to the American people."

What does that look like in practice? Do I get a check in the mail, or...

And why are we using the word "net" here? What expenses are we anticipating?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:13 PM



My bullsh*t meter always pegs whenever I hear politicians trying to sound like business professionals. It's laughable.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 03:24 PM (0tfLf)

109 Just filled up in okc for 1.89 gal. Please implement this tax so we can get back to 4 dollar gas. Hey the gov will go be the extra money I spend back to me minus administrative costs.

Posted by: Boomer at December 04, 2018 03:24 PM (zHhW4)

110 An armed society is a polite society.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:23 PM (c3AZU)

Well I was walking around with an AR most of the time to be fair.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at December 04, 2018 03:24 PM (bgJ0E)

111 Always put ethanol free in my vehicles....

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2018 03:24 PM (ffWPP)

112 87 Global Warming has killed us so many times already what's the point?I mean those of us on the coast already had to grow gills to survive in our sunken cities...
Posted by: steevy at December 04, 2018 03:22 PM (BXMxN)

+++

I thought we were at the point of no return. Perhaps this is just our punishment for not "listening".

Posted by: washrivergal at December 04, 2018 03:24 PM (rE1pK)

113 And all the lottery proceeds to education....right?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 04, 2018 03:25 PM (cqNba)

114 What's a negative net return? Isn't that like an additional tax?

Posted by: Max Power at December 04, 2018 03:25 PM (q177U)

115 WTF? We have cheap fossil fuels in abundance.. we are reducing greenhouse gasses already year over year..

But these dumb fucks in Congress want to tax it?

Send us into another fucking recession.. assholes!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 04, 2018 03:25 PM (so+oy)

116
$1.89 in Brazoria County, Texas. But it's just ordinary stuff, not the fancy-schmancy artisanal boutique gasoline you California snobs use.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 03:25 PM (BWL+E)

117 Anybody else ever read in High School Civics about all the virtues of Two Party Government ? All the stability and such ?

Turns out - we were lied to. We got One Party Govt. Am I the only on sick and fucking tired of being lied to ?

Posted by: A Better Class of Troll at December 04, 2018 03:25 PM (nfE6n)

118 Brian Fitzpatrick (R-Pa.)
I thought he lost his bid for re-election. No?
I'm not going to get my hair on fire over this - even if it makes it to PDJT it's DOA.

Posted by: DocJ at December 04, 2018 03:25 PM (NYS7S)

119 Wow.... this is downright Biblical..

Robbing Peter, to pay Paul.

/spit

Posted by: Don Q at December 04, 2018 03:25 PM (NgKpN)

120
Do I get a check in the mail, or...

S&H stamps.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 03:26 PM (BWL+E)

121 Annually, the Treasury Department "would return 100 percent of the net revenue back to the American people."

Welp, all we had left was this ball of pocket lint and these cancelled ticket stubs to a showing of The Aristocrats.

Your betters

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 04, 2018 03:26 PM (Z4rgH)

122
Francis Rooney (R-Fla.)

Brian Fitzpatrick (R-Pa.)

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The Irish!

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 04, 2018 03:26 PM (imow9)

123 52.17% of the weight of the alcohol in Valu-Rite is carbon.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 04, 2018 03:26 PM (ctuyM)

124 Rectums, all.

Posted by: ro-man at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (RuIsu)

125 It's a tax....no, wait, it's a slushfund.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (W+vEI)

126 Climate change is just about virtue signaling, that's all really voters want us to do in response to it. Other countries have it figured out, but American politicians seem determined to actually hobble America in response to it.

Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (UfkIY)

127 return 100 percent of the net revenue back"

So that'd be great.

Wait, that's about $7.95?

Heh

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (6qErC)

128 I'm sure if you polled people, huge majorities buy into climate change, but when you poll them on say if they want their utility bill doubled to buy a bunch of wind farms, you get a much different response.

Nah - if you phrase it the right way in a survey, you can get people to agree that they want their utility bill doubled to buy a bunch of wind farms.

After all, talk is cheap.

If you actually double their electrical bill, you'll get a different response.

Posted by: The ARC of History at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (TEv5V)

129 The Dem majority will pass this and worse once they are seated.Hopefully the Senate will not stab us in the back.

Posted by: steevy at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (BXMxN)

130 Mark my words: This shit keeps up, Republican turnout will plummet in 2020. The Democrats won't even need vote fraud.
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As has oft been said: We aren't voting our way out of this.

Posted by: Methos at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (kOpft)

131 109 Just filled up in okc for 1.89 gal. Please implement this tax so we can get back to 4 dollar gas. Hey the gov will go be the extra money I spend back to me minus administrative costs.
Posted by: Boomer at December 04, 2018 03:24 PM (zHhW4)

/spit...

$3.59 here in Clownifornia

Posted by: Don Q at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (NgKpN)

132 Trump will sign this bill as soon as it passes/

Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (P4Pk9)

133 Gas is roughly $2.50 in NJ and the legislature rigged the gas tax that if it drops anywhere near $2.00 taxes kick in to boost it back up.


They are evil but they ain't stupid.


We will never see sub $2.00 gas in NJ.


And a mighty fuck you to Chris Christie for that you fucking asshole piece of shit.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (2JcMg)

134 all carbon life forms must be taxed ... to enrich the globalist carbon life forms.


it is bothersome that they call it a "carbon" tax ... as if carbon is not an essential part of life. Someone should insist on calling it a tax on all energy and on all productive people. (which will do nothing to affect climate, but will push more production to China where they will belch dirty coal soot out tax free)

Posted by: illiniwek at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (Cus5s)

135 Are these GOP lawmakers really that tone deaf, naive, and stooopid? (I know, I know...)

Posted by: Forheremenaremen at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (XmV7U)

136 Yes....the money will go back to the American people in some form of shitty welfare program that you bastards steal all the money from.

Fuck you.

Posted by: Sponge at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (F4u7C)

137 What fuckin' balderdash. "Carbon credits" are the biggest scam of the 21st-century. They don't actually reduce the amount of carbon release globally - -they just transfer the icky carbon-cooties away from your virtue-signalling self to somewhere else on the globe where you don't have to think about it.

This applies to both individually purchased "carbon credits" and to nationwide "carbon taxes," btw. If we as a country make manufacturing more expensive, then the price of our goods go up, and as a result customers the world over will migrate to cheaper goods made in China or other countries without punitive taxes on productivity. So the factories here in the US may spew less carbon -- but in China and elsewhere they'll spew MORE carbon as a consequence.

And when someone individually buys a "carbon credit" to "offset" his carbon footprint, all he's doing is bribing someone int he third world to suffer in his stead -- the reverse of the taxes, but with the same evening-out result. You pay a foreigner to eschew modern conveniences, so that you can enjoy them yourself. End result: more carbon is still burned by you.

Any Republican who voted for this bullshit is now on the "must be voted out and expunged" list. The Democrats, needless to say, are already a lost cause.

Posted by: zombie at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (c+2jX)

138 As I said yesterday "a group" of Republicans = two hardcore DIABLOs. IOW Democrats with an "R" after their name.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (mpXpK)

139 115 WTF? We have cheap fossil fuels in abundance.. we are reducing greenhouse gasses already year over year..

But these dumb fucks in Congress want to tax it?

Send us into another fucking recession.. assholes!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 04, 2018 03:25 PM (so+oy)

Sure. Need to hurt PDT's reelection bid.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (NWiLs)

140 Section 304(a). Appropriation for Idol; Appeasement of Climate God or Goddess. There is hereby appropriated out of funds accumulated from proceeds of the carbon tax such amounts as may be necessary to construct a giant idol out of gold and precious jewels to be located on the National Mall.

The idol shall be dedicated to the god or goddess of climate, whomever that may be, with much supplication and entreaties and in this manner the intended reduction in global temperature on planet Earth from the levying of the carbon tax shall be realized.

Posted by: Energy Innovation and Carbon Dividend Act (EICDA) at December 04, 2018 03:28 PM (DuAZ5)

141 Soylent Green is made of carbon neutral Socialists.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 04, 2018 03:28 PM (CPchy)

142 $3.49 in Tacoma WA. Cause we really really really need a bigger rail system to serve Seattle.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 03:28 PM (0tfLf)

143 Well, this morning I drove by the BP station down the road, and it was $1.88.9 per gallon regular (87 octane). I filled up Sunday night on the highway, and it was $1.93.9.

Somewhere in the wilds of Ohio. Where gasoline grows on trees. (or am I making that up?)

Up in the Mitten Kingdom (Michigan to the unwashed) it was $2.03.9 on the highway, and up to $2.49.9 in the Detroit suburbs.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at December 04, 2018 03:28 PM (vcOmj)

144 $2.69 Costco mid Willamette valley.

Posted by: Embarrassing Stain at December 04, 2018 03:28 PM (A0ryi)

145 Right because we LOWERED TAXES and the economy improved, LETS RISE THEM NOW, and see what happens.

Its almost as if they are addicted to our money and will use any excuse, even stupid ones, to suck up more of our money.

Types deletes,

wish I were in congress so I could have the privilege of caning.

Posted by: simplemind at December 04, 2018 03:28 PM (MZY0t)

146 Hoo boy. Another case of politicians making economic policy without a clue as to how economics works. As if the manufacturers and energy companies are just gonna' say "Golly gee! All we can do is just pay that extra amount, cuz' Congress said so."

Nope.

That carbon tax is going to go straight into the cost of good and services produced, thus the person really getting taxed is the product's consumer. The little guy. You and I.

If this is true: "Annually, the Treasury Department 'would return 100 percent of the net revenue back to the American people.'" Then this whole exercise is a zero sum game and a waste of everyone's time. And implementing such a policy is impossible to implement fairly, and thus will turn into just another redistribution scheme. F*ck these guys. Time for the Pres to hit 'em with the MAGA hammer. Again.

Posted by: Shinjinrui at December 04, 2018 03:28 PM (h5hE3)

147 These unipary pols will never learn.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (0OmEj)
........

They might have a couple seconds of enlightenment, say if they were hanging from an overpass or something.

Posted by: wth at December 04, 2018 03:28 PM (HgMAr)

148 O/T


College student faces hate crime charges for racist graffiti.


And the dud is black!

https://tinyurl.com/y9w28ao6

Sorry...but had to share.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 04, 2018 03:28 PM (cqNba)

149 Pass out some Yellow Jackets in Congress.

Posted by: m at December 04, 2018 03:28 PM (GkIz4)

150 We need a new Trump party.

Posted by: Someguy at December 04, 2018 03:29 PM (t849v)

151 And BTW, this is for PR purposes only. They know this POS will never make it out of the House anyway.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 03:29 PM (mpXpK)

152 So is Brexit not going through?

Amazing that the elites are able to possibly subvert that, but shouldn't be surprised

Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2018 03:29 PM (UfkIY)

153 dud=dude

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 04, 2018 03:29 PM (cqNba)

154 Annually, the Treasury Department "would return 100 percent of the net revenue back to the American people.

In other words, a huge income redistribution scheme.

You make more than $100,000 a year? You get nothing back from the carbon tax rebate.

Other the other hand, poor and minority neighborhoods, who suffer more than anyone else from global warming, should get billions in tax rebates.

Posted by: The ARC of History at December 04, 2018 03:29 PM (TEv5V)

155 And all the lottery proceeds to education....right?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 04, 2018 03:25 PM (cqNba)

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I can live with the lottery. It gets a lot of people who ordinarily are net tax recipients to voluntarily pay the math challenged tax.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 04, 2018 03:29 PM (ffYR/)

156 The uniparty has admitted years ago that these things will never reduce emissions. There was some quote by an EPA official that confessed as much.

People will still need to get from point a to point b, so they will not consume less fossil fuels. These measures will just gratuitously punish them for that by driving up costs, without accomplishing any reduction in carbon "pollution".

The left simply thinks that the American people can simply absorb more of this parasitism in the same way that it can absorb more terrorist attacks.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 04, 2018 03:29 PM (/qEW2)

157 Bloomberg TV wants to let you know that the market tanking today is Trump's fault because he overstated his success on trade talks AGAIN!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 04, 2018 03:29 PM (OLCnA)

158 Pelosi is coming to town, and she demands more tax revenue from the hicks ... markets respond, DOW down 750.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 04, 2018 03:29 PM (Cus5s)

159 Otherwise known as the Let's Kill All The Trees By Starving Them Of Carbon Dioxide. Die, Pine, Die Act

Posted by: IllTemperedCur


This is an excellent comment.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 04, 2018 03:30 PM (O033+)

160 Gas is roughly $2.50 in NJ and the legislature rigged the gas tax that if it drops anywhere near $2.00 taxes kick in to boost it back up.


They are evil but they ain't stupid.


We will never see sub $2.00 gas in NJ.


And a mighty fuck you to Chris Christie for that you fucking asshole piece of shit.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (2JcMg)


I used to go out of my way to fill up in NJ when I was in the area.

Now, it's no longer cheaper than NY, so...

idk, I'd be curious to see if this new tax raises as much money as the NJ taxpayers were told it would.

I suspect a lot of people who regularly drive the east cost in both cars and diesel trucks used to stop in NJ to refuel. Now that there's no cost benefit to doing it, and you still have the detriment of not being able to pump your own fucking gas... idk if it's enough to really make a difference, but I'd be curious.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:30 PM (GBteo)

161 Fuck these guys up the squeak hole with a big roll of rusty barbed wire.

Carbon dioxide is not pollution ya fargin idiots.

Posted by: Bonecrusher at December 04, 2018 03:30 PM (JNTt1)

162
"Annually, the Treasury Department 'would return 100 percent of the net revenue back to the American people."

But not to the American people who paid the tax.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 03:30 PM (BWL+E)

163 Anally, the Treasury Department "would return 100 percent of the net revenue back to the American people."

Clarified for truthiness.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 04, 2018 03:30 PM (Z4rgH)

164 "[...] $15 per metric ton of CO2e and "increasing the price by $10 every year."

The state of Washington proposed a $15 per metric ton of CO2e with an annual $2/year increase. It got shot down.

Posted by: aelfheld at December 04, 2018 03:30 PM (IxDhF)

165 In other news, also on PJMedia.com, but buried somewhere on the website and accessible only from Instapundit.

SecDef Matis says, "40 years in Afghanistan is enough."

Or was it the story about Conservatives in Congress suddenly demanding funding for a border wall now that the democrats will control the House for the next two years.

These news stories all blur together after awhile and start looking all alike since there doesn't seem to be anything that can be done about it.

Posted by: Schuyler Saxon Rides a Pale Horse at December 04, 2018 03:30 PM (hrcfq)

166 14
Hopefully the Senate will make short work of killing this crap, before it gets to Trump's veto pen..


Posted by: Leonard Pinth-Garnell at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (7A6l6)

It will never make it to the senate unless they hold it for the next congress.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 03:30 PM (mpXpK)

167 return 100 percent of the net revenue back"

So that'd be great.

Wait, that's about $7.95?

Heh
Posted by: Anon a mouse


$7.95 a hundred head.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:30 PM (c3AZU)

168 6 >>>"would return 100 percent of the net revenue back to the American people."

What does that look like in practice? Do I get a check in the mail, or...

And why are we using the word "net" here? What expenses are we anticipating?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes


Projected expenses:

-- Backyard Jacuzzis for crony-socialist millionaires
-- Central American hookers for crooked Dem politicians
-- Private jets for virtue-signalling celebrities

Posted by: zombie at December 04, 2018 03:30 PM (c+2jX)

169 And the folks in charge of the program to tax that big "C" on the periodic chart will be grossly overpaid in recompense for the income tax that they pay while getting paid to screw us (inhale).

It's a win-win-win.

Posted by: ro-man at December 04, 2018 03:31 PM (RuIsu)

170 I think we should bring back phrenology and closely examine House members' heads. With a two-by-four.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at December 04, 2018 03:31 PM (hjaPQ)

171 Posted by: Shinjinrui at December 04, 2018 03:28 PM (h5hE3)

Well... except for the thousands of new Government employees you would need to run this program.

Posted by: Don Q at December 04, 2018 03:31 PM (NgKpN)

172 I'm jealous, why should you have cheap fuel?

Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 03:31 PM (bQtop)

173 RINO's gonna RINO.
The beast will be fed.

Posted by: dananjcon at December 04, 2018 03:31 PM (xqfqx)

174 I really wish these people would just fucking chill for about 100 years or so.

They are like the idiots at the turn of the 19th century saying that we need to do something about all the horseshit in the streets or we will all die.

In 50 or 100 years we will not be burning fossil fuels.

Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at December 04, 2018 03:31 PM (LWu6U)

175
Up in the Mitten Kingdom (Michigan to the unwashed) it was $2.03.9 on the highway, and up to $2.49.9 in the Detroit suburbs.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at December 04, 2018 03:28 PM (vcOmj)

Meh, us useless sheep here are paying that per Litre. Admittedly that is in our play money but still. Multiply 3.7 x $2.49 equals $9.21 per gallon.

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at December 04, 2018 03:31 PM (bgJ0E)

176 Soylent Green is made of carbon neutral Socialists.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR)


Stop teasing.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 04, 2018 03:32 PM (O033+)

177 CLIMATE CHAOS! CLIMATE CHAOS!!!

Posted by: tu3031 at December 04, 2018 03:32 PM (sf1AO)

178 Climate Charlatanism

Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 03:32 PM (NWiLs)

179 So these fuckers have finally decided to declare they OWN the air over the country, and a new resource that can be legally taxed and marketed and pandered with is born.

Talk about fiat currency, now it's fiat resources.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:32 PM (37IEG)

180 This has always been about weakening the West.

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2018 03:32 PM (ffWPP)

181
In 50 or 100 years we will not be burning fossil fuels.

Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest


"Not so fast..." - Future Hawaiian Judges

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 03:33 PM (BWL+E)

182 Nah - if you phrase it the right way in a survey, you can get people to agree that they want their utility bill doubled to buy a bunch of wind farms.

After all, talk is cheap.

If you actually double their electrical bill, you'll get a different response.

Posted by: The ARC of History

__________

I just know they tried it here in my state with solar, Tom Steyer pumped a lot of money into it, and it went down in flames.

Same in Washington state.

People don't like taxes that they will have to pay, a smart GOP would exploit the hell out of that.

Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2018 03:33 PM (UfkIY)

183 From some things I read last week, in an oil industry journal, by this time next year, it is possible that the United States will become (very slightly) a net oil exporter.

There is more production coming on in the Permian Basin (West Texas) and several pipelines that will be completed shortly, which will allow the transport of oil, and then the new wells will come on line.

But no, let's tax gasoline and nat gas, and give a little hand job to the Russians and OPEC.

Smart. Really smart.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at December 04, 2018 03:33 PM (vcOmj)

184 149 Pass out some Yellow Jackets in Congress.

Posted by: m at December 04, 2018 03:28 PM



I doubt those idiots on The Hill would even get the joke, but if I had the money I'd send them 535 yellow jackets. The optics would be great.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 03:33 PM (0tfLf)

185 As President and CEO of Miklos Molnar's Tzampotli Family Fun Park and Endless Taco Bar, I sense a slippery slope here. Will my esteemed guests be taxed on presumptive methane emissions?

More importantly, will I be taxed on methane emissions?

I'm calling rayciss, and will call my friendly La Raza representative.

Posted by: Miklos, entreprenur at December 04, 2018 03:33 PM (zCyNd)

186 158 Pelosi is coming to town, and she demands more tax revenue from the hicks ... markets respond, DOW down 750.
Posted by: illiniwek at December 04, 2018 03:29 PM (Cus5s)

++++

We just need more third-world "sparks" to sign in on the welfare wagon. That'll fix it up real good.

Posted by: washrivergal at December 04, 2018 03:33 PM (rE1pK)

187
What's the point of taxing people if you are just going to give the money back? Makes no sense.

Raise taxes/price to discourage consumption then give people money back they can use to pay the higher price!

What's the fricken point?

Posted by: Schuyler Saxon Rides a Pale Horse at December 04, 2018 03:34 PM (hrcfq)

188 The Irish!
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 04, 2018 03:26 PM (imow9)

Well, we wanted to stop them but were called nativists.

Posted by: The Know Nothings at December 04, 2018 03:34 PM (J70i0)

189 anyone who calls carbon pollution is someone with too many carbon based thumbs

Posted by: x at December 04, 2018 03:34 PM (nFwvY)

190 Carbon taxes will necessarily induce fraud on an monstrous level.

IF company A wants to sell carbon credits, what incentive to they have to make an accurate assessment of their actual output?

NONE. They are incentivized to lie like motherfuckers.

Company B, purchaser of the credits, doesn't care either. The credit is still a credit no matter how fraudulent it is because the whole affair is an exercise in fairy dust and unicorn farts.

It's fraud made international law. This can't but end in disaster.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 04, 2018 03:34 PM (7TCRf)

191 So we'll tax the ever living shit out of energy, which will impact the cost of everything you buy or use. This will crater the economy and lower everyone's standard of living, but it *might* reduce the projected temperature increase by 0.1-0.5 degrees over the next 100 years. Not reduce the actual temperature, but reduce the increase.

"Hey you there! Turn off your A/C and/or turn down your heat to 60F in your house. Stop driving. Stop eating meat. Stop (insert whatever here). Now give us more of your money."
::drives off in enormous Cadillac, takes private jet back to 10,000 square foot mansion::

I don't know about you, but I'm not really feeling this. And looking at France's reaction to the latest tax increase, I'm beginning to wonder when (not if) the burning times will finally come to these shores.

Posted by: physics geek at December 04, 2018 03:34 PM (huQJB)

192 187
What's the point of taxing people if you are just going to give the money back? Makes no sense.

Raise taxes/price to discourage consumption then give people money back they can use to pay the higher price!

What's the fricken point?
Posted by: Schuyler Saxon Rides a Pale Horse


Control of the serfs.

Posted by: zombie at December 04, 2018 03:34 PM (c+2jX)

193 171 Posted by: Shinjinrui at December 04, 2018 03:28 PM (h5hE3)

Well... except for the thousands of new Government employees you would need to run this program.
Posted by: Don Q at December 04, 2018 03:31 PM (NgKpN)

Its like how much extra money, and how many personnel, are needed to collect taxes on the Military?

You know, so they can pay themselves? /facepalm

Posted by: Don Q at December 04, 2018 03:34 PM (NgKpN)

194 Carbon credits" are the biggest scam of the 21st-century."

The century is young...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 03:35 PM (6qErC)

195 186
158 Pelosi is coming to town, and she demands more tax revenue from the hicks ... markets respond, DOW down 750.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 04, 2018 03:29 PM (Cus5s)
Day started out okay - gee, I wonder what happened.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:35 PM (37IEG)

196 Talk about bad return on investment, I give you the wind farm.

It only lasts 20 to 25 years assuming it doesn't catch fire, only delivers power when the winds blow, and kills thousands of birds.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 04, 2018 03:35 PM (CPchy)

197 Climate Charlatanism
Posted by: Insomniac



Threadwinner!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:35 PM (c3AZU)

198 Die, Pine, Die Act
Posted by: IllTemperedCur


I will not, in good conscience, support this.

Posted by: Chris at December 04, 2018 03:35 PM (ctuyM)

199 What's the fricken point?
Posted by: Schuyler Saxon Rides a Pale Horse at December 04, 2018 03:34 PM (hrcfq)

Their pathetic Millennial offspring need gov't jobs that fulfill them. They can siphon off administrative costs for them to do jobs like "lead carbon counselor."

Posted by: WOPR at December 04, 2018 03:36 PM (J70i0)

200

I've got quite a bit of carbon build up, how 'bout some of you clean my pipe...

Posted by: Tony Wiener at December 04, 2018 03:36 PM (MrLnm)

201 Looks like I might be needing a reflective vest if this insanity passes.

Posted by: Surfperch at December 04, 2018 03:36 PM (tYPH9)

202 Taxes take control of individuals wealth, and put control nto the hands of government, much of it unaccountable to ... anyone... the purpose is control.

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2018 03:36 PM (ffWPP)

203 "Annually, the Treasury Department 'would return 100 percent of the net revenue back to the American people."

But not to the American people who paid the tax.


Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 03:30 PM



CENTRAL American
SOUTH American

They get your money.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 03:36 PM (0tfLf)

204 These Congressmen should dress in red robes and call themselves Priests of Gaia. Their faith in the absurd would be a little more appropriately theatrical, that way.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Moar Global Warming! at December 04, 2018 03:36 PM (LISuA)

205 187


What's the point of taxing people if you are just going to give the money back? Makes no sense.



Raise taxes/price to discourage consumption then give people money back they can use to pay the higher price!



What's the fricken point?

Posted by: Schuyler Saxon Rides a Pale Horse at December 04, 2018 03:34 PM (hrcfq)
The point is where the money goes before it comes back to you, considerably less than it was when you paid it.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:36 PM (37IEG)

206 The object of Progressive Government is to redistribute assets of the rich to the deserving poor. So why haven't I seen one penny of Tim Steyer's solar panel money? Makes a bloke want to don a yellow vest and start slitting throats, it does.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:36 PM (2LelM)

207 Hmmm...where did I put my Yellow Jacket?
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead

I see a money making idea there!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (aKsyK)

------------

$5.00 at Ikea. Start stocking up.

Posted by: Hoplite Housewife at December 04, 2018 03:36 PM (XXNQ+)

208 192 187
What's the point of taxing people if you are just going to give the money back? Makes no sense.

Raise taxes/price to discourage consumption then give people money back they can use to pay the higher price!

What's the fricken point?
Posted by: Schuyler Saxon Rides a Pale Horse

Control of the serfs.
Posted by: zombie at December 04, 2018 03:34 PM (c+2jX)

Graft. Baksheesh. Skimming.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 03:36 PM (NWiLs)

209 I really wish these people would just fucking chill for about 100 years or so.

They are like the idiots at the turn of the 19th century saying that we need to do something about all the horseshit in the streets or we will all die.

In 50 or 100 years we will not be burning fossil fuels.
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at December 04, 2018 03:31 PM (LWu6U)


I tend to agree.

I think electric engines probably *are* the future. But battery technology needs to get better, and we need to get less stupid about power generation (which probably means going full-France and building a fuckton of nuclear power plants then *gasp* recycling nuclear waste to use it more efficiently).

But who knows? Only time will tell.

Maybe some other kind of engine will be invented that does a way better job.

And here's something that drives me nuts about the left -- here in New England, we burn a lottt of heating oil to heat our houses. Why? Because electricity is expensive AF.

If we had more nuclear power plants and had cheap, plentiful electricity, we could cut out a whole lot of propane / natural gas and oil burning throughout the country. That'd be good, right?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:37 PM (GBteo)

210 this thread does NOT have a penis

:-(

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2018 03:37 PM (d7Ww2)

211 Trump will have fun vetoing this one. Maybe he can do it in a rally in West Virginia?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:37 PM (2LelM)

212 196 Talk about bad return on investment, I give you the wind farm.

We should equip them with green solar electric motors so they turn when there's no wind!

Posted by: Little Lupe Occupied-Cervix at December 04, 2018 03:38 PM (MrLnm)

213 Annually, the Treasury Department 'would return 100 percent of the net revenue back to the American people"

Based on who's accounting?

*morning thread reference

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 03:38 PM (6qErC)

214 Remember, one square. One square only!

Posted by: Sheryl Crow at December 04, 2018 03:38 PM (ctuyM)

215 "The sea level rise is affecting our coastal communities and it is threatening real estate and clean water sources, shorter winters are impacting seasonal tourism," Deutch said during a conference call on Monday evening.


Is any of that true? Are there numbers to back that up?

"We can both impose a carbon fee to help change the behavior of polluters while at the same time addressing the regulatory framework to provide some certainty for them," Deutch said.


And there it is.

It's a sin tax to nudge, nudge, nudge people into behaving like the want us to behave, and...moar government!!

Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2018 03:38 PM (W+vEI)

216 The government won't make me pay. They can lock me up like they should do to Hillary but I won't pay.

Posted by: Constantine XI at December 04, 2018 03:38 PM (yiAMj)

217 194 Carbon credits" are the biggest scam of the 21st-century."

The century is young...
Posted by: Anon a mouse


Correctionn: "Biggest scam -- thus far."

The Left is endlessly capable of generating new scams, of course. Perhaps in 2060 they'll come up with a worse scam -- maybe "Castrate all male newborns, UNLESS you pay a Gender Inequality Tax" so your son can keep his as-yet undescended balls.

Posted by: zombie at December 04, 2018 03:38 PM (c+2jX)

218 But who knows? Only time will tell.



Maybe some other kind of engine will be invented that does a way better job.



And here's something that drives me nuts about the left -- here in
New England, we burn a lottt of heating oil to heat our houses. Why?
Because electricity is expensive AF.



If we had more nuclear power plants and had cheap, plentiful
electricity, we could cut out a whole lot of propane / natural gas and
oil burning throughout the country. That'd be good, right?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:37 PM (GBteo)
Or maybe they'll accidentally figure out where our fuse is,
and light it.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:38 PM (37IEG)

219 Do I get a check in the mail, or...

S&H stamps.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 03:26 PM (BWL+E)
..........

Donation request.

Posted by: wth at December 04, 2018 03:38 PM (HgMAr)

220 @160

It's already not bringing in the revenue they projected since they've already raised the tax an additional $0.04 since they passed the tax hike.


And the tax is based on "yearly" projections and if projections fall short, boom, here's another hike for you citizen.


And you know the projections are never going to be met so they now have a mechanism to get their hands on more of the tax payers money at will.



Fuckers.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 04, 2018 03:38 PM (2JcMg)

221 OT--Any news about Palp? Still incognito? What if I need an Adibas track suit?

Posted by: free tibet at December 04, 2018 03:39 PM (U4PcL)

222 They are like the idiots at the turn of the 19th century saying that we need to do something about all the horseshit in the streets or we will all die.


This was a very serious problem. But we DID do something about it. The internal combustion engine eliminated the need for horses. They were once vital to industry. They now play zero part in it, except for racing.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 04, 2018 03:39 PM (Z04f8)

223 Senate republicans need to kill this bill or Trump needs to get out the veto pen.

Posted by: red speck at December 04, 2018 03:39 PM (6Krd7)

224 194 Carbon credits" are the biggest scam of the 21st-century."

The century is young...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 03:35 PM (6qErC)

And all based on a lie, perpetuated by falsifying Data.

Actually though, this tax might give Standing to take this whole Global Warming Farce to court..

Discovery would be FUN!

Posted by: Don Q at December 04, 2018 03:39 PM (NgKpN)

225 Maybe some other kind of engine will be invented that does a way better job.


Posted by: Harry Paratestes

____________

I honestly think if we did say invent cold fusion that actually worked, a perfect, cheap energy source that was 100% clean, it would piss off environmentalists to no end because this was never about the environment.

They just want to control 100% of commerce and our lives.

Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2018 03:39 PM (UfkIY)

226 What's the word?

Thunderbird.

What's the price?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:39 PM (bcbK8)

227 Is it illegal to shoot at wind mills?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (2LelM)

228 What's the carbon emissions of your Hollywood superstar

Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (bQtop)

229 Carbon taxes will necessarily induce fraud on an monstrous level.

IF company A wants to sell carbon credits, what incentive to they have to make an accurate assessment of their actual output?

NONE. They are incentivized to lie like motherfuckers.

Company B, purchaser of the credits, doesn't care either. The credit is still a credit no matter how fraudulent it is because the whole affair is an exercise in fairy dust and unicorn farts.

It's fraud made international law. This can't but end in disaster.
Posted by: weft cut-loop

And then the little pygmies in South America will sell their carbon credits and, not giving a shit, will continue with their wood fires.

And when people go in to stop them, the pygmies will shoot them full of arrows.

IOW, sellers that don't give a shit, (China, etc.), won't ever stop polluting.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (c3AZU)

230 >>...And you know the projections are never going to be met so they now have a mechanism to get their hands on more of the tax payers money at will.




Otherwise known as "bending the cost curve down" - just as they did (not) do with healthcare!!

Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (W+vEI)

231 Hey, we need a Five Year Carbon Plan!!!!

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (ffWPP)

232
You want your carbon tax money back? Here, fill out these forms. In quadruplicate. Have each page notarized. Return them in person to your local Carbon Tax Refund Office, which is open from 11:00 to 2:00 (closed 12-1) on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (BWL+E)

233 $5.00 at Ikea. Start stocking up.

Posted by: Hoplite Housewife at December 04, 2018 03:36 PM



The fact that this was at Ikea just made me laugh.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (0tfLf)

234 I was wondering when heard Paris is burning and Macon is giving up on carbon tax if the Democrats had the balls to pull the same shit.
Guess they do.

Posted by: Skip at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (/rm4P)

235 Sigh.

If you know somebody who voted D for House, punch their lights out for me.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (AM1GF)

236 Hmmm...where did I put my Yellow Jacket?

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 04, 2018 03:13 PM


Amazon. It's now on my 'wish list' for $6.69. When I move it up into 'Add to Cart' shit's getting real.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0030AA3YK/

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (e7O7B)

237 Guys, we exhale the shit they're talking about taxing.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (37IEG)

238 187


What's the point of taxing people if you are just going to give the money back? Makes no sense.



Raise taxes/price to discourage consumption then give people money back they can use to pay the higher price!



What's the fricken point?

Posted by: Schuyler Saxon Rides a Pale Horse at December 04, 2018 03:34 PM (hrcfq)


'Administration Costs'

Posted by: Politician at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (jGvbj)

239 GOP are bitches.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (ocutB)

240 If we riot in DC, can we please spare the Air & Space Museum?

Posted by: josephistan at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (7HtZB)

241 But battery technology needs to get better"

Yeah, about that... can't. Ever. We already know the various chemical combinations, and none have the energy density required.

Where's my Mr Fusion?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (6qErC)

242 "CENTRAL American
SOUTH American
They get your money Posted by: Diogenes

they might get a few dollars, like Clinton's Haiti Relief Fund ... lots of Marxist Middlemen have to be supported in the manner to which they've become accustomed ...

Posted by: illiniwek at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (Cus5s)

243 "Annually, the Treasury Department "would return 100 percent of the net revenue back to the American people. "

As opposed to what? stuffing it in their pockets?

By any rational definition, now matter how it is used it is going "back to the American people." Even if they only claim it is reducing other tax increases.

Unless they have some pencil neck standing at the gas pump handing me cash to compensate for the tax, they are taking it, and that's that.

Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (LWu6U)

244 221 OT--Any news about Palp? Still incognito? What if I need an Adibas track suit?
Posted by: free tibet at December 04, 2018 03:39 PM (U4PcL)

This is also relevant to my interests.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (bcbK8)

245 222 They are like the idiots at the turn of the 19th century saying that we need to do something about all the horseshit in the streets or we will all die.


This was a very serious problem. But we DID do something about it. The internal combustion engine eliminated the need for horses. They were once vital to industry. They now play zero part in it, except for racing.
Posted by: Blue Hen


And anal-sex providers for Washington state perverts.

Posted by: zombie at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (c+2jX)

246 Won't pass. This is just kabuki. Probably to benefit Repubs in blue states. I hope anyway.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (8tNRg)

247 The left:

No new nuclear power plants (we're all going to die!!!).
No new hydroelectric power plants (poor fish can't make it upstream.)
Make coal so expensive it's uneconomic.
No new pipelines to transport natural gas.

....???

Okay, so... now what?

And honestly, I'm super fuel efficient -- heat never goes above 62, I drive a car that gets nearly 40 mpg, and I turn the lights off as I leave the room.

But like... what's the plan here. Are poor people supposed to go back to living in pre-electricity days while only the rich can afford heat and lights?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (GBteo)

248 OT--Any news about Palp? Still incognito? What if I need an Adibas track suit?

Posted by: free tibet at December 04, 2018 03:39 PM (U4PcL)
.........

yeah, and this thread could use some music.

Posted by: wth at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (HgMAr)

249 Tone deaf imbeciles.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (a2vo1)

250 227 Is it illegal to shoot at wind mills?
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (2LelM)

++

Notice they never make postcard pictures out of windmill farms. Has got to be one of the most depressing sights to see is miles and miles of these contraptions, half out of order.

Posted by: washrivergal at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (rE1pK)

251 Its like its some gateway drug to carbon taxes. Yes, Hillary would have signed such a thing, Jonah.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (r+sAi)

252 118 Brian Fitzpatrick (R-Pa.)
I thought he lost his bid for re-election. No?
I'm not going to get my hair on fire over this - even if it makes it to PDJT it's DOA.
Posted by: DocJ at December 04, 2018 03:25 PM (NYS7S)

He won, by spending like a drunken sailor. Signs everywhere (I work in his district but live in another). Now the bills come due.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 04, 2018 03:42 PM (RD7QR)

253 "Raise taxes/price to discourage consumption then give people money back they can use to pay the higher price!



What's the fricken point?


Posted by: Schuyler Saxon Rides"

Not everybody will get the same cut of the "net" revenue. It will be redistributed according to need.

And, BTW, you people with privilege don't have any needs.

Posted by: Ripley at December 04, 2018 03:42 PM (MxEKc)

254 The polar bears!!!!!

Posted by: Ted Douche at December 04, 2018 03:42 PM (vtcmf)

255 Now if only we could mine that un-obtanium those blue people have under their damned sacred trees.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:42 PM (37IEG)

256 Guys, we exhale the shit they're talking about taxing.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM


What am I, chopped liver?

Posted by: Boof at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (ctuyM)

257 Gas in Anchorage AK is $3.09.
House dems and pubs that want the carbon tax have a death wish, after Paris.

Posted by: Alaska Paul at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (Hc+rA)

258 "help reduce U.S. carbon pollution by 40 percent in 12 years, with a 91 percent reduction target by 2050 (vs. 2015 levels)"

---

A 91% reduction in carbon emissions by 2050? Gonna have to "reduce" the population of the US by about 300 MILLION to accomplish that.


That's a whole lot of soylent green.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (JUOKG)

259 233 The fact that this was at Ikea just made me laugh.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (0tfLf)

----------------

And they're already assembled. Unlike - say - shelving.

Posted by: Hoplite Housewife at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (XXNQ+)

260 Talk about bad return on investment, I give you the wind farm.

We should equip them with green solar electric motors so they turn when there's no wind!
Posted by: Little Lupe Occupied-Cervix



We should require them to be built with no fossil fuel based lubricants.

If you want to talk green, let's talk green.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (c3AZU)

261 255 Now if only we could mine that un-obtanium those blue people have under their damned sacred trees.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:42 PM (37IEG)

Drop a rock on them from orbit

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (bcbK8)

262
Notice they never make postcard pictures out of windmill farms. Has got to be one of the most depressing sights to see is miles and miles of these contraptions, half out of order.
------------------
So you've been to Palm Springs?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (2LelM)

263 This shit won t help Repubs in blue states, but it will hurt Repubs in red states. So fucking stupid.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (a2vo1)

264 Is any of that true? Are there numbers to back that up?



Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2018 03:38 PM (W+vEI)



that and everything else in that report is an outrageous lie. Just remember, this report was written under Obama by Obamanites and is just now being released to embarrass Trump. Trump has already said the report was a POS.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (mpXpK)

265
But like... what's the plan here. Are poor
people supposed to go back to living in pre-electricity days while only
the rich can afford heat and lights?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (GBteo)
There may be power for you and your family in your hut on the Loopey Oscrazyo Cortex estate, if you're a good little dobee.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:44 PM (37IEG)

266 Yeah, about that... can't. Ever. We already know the various chemical combinations, and none have the energy density required.

Where's my Mr Fusion?
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (6qErC)

We're reaching theoretical limits on current technology, but I have enough faith in humans to think it's very possible someone will invent a better way to store energy.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:44 PM (GBteo)

267 240 If we riot in DC, can we please spare the Air Space Museum?

Posted by: josephistan at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (7HtZB)

==============
Yes, please. The Smithsonian dindonuffin!

Posted by: Jackal at December 04, 2018 03:44 PM (7FM2g)

268 What if I need an Adibas track suit?

Posted by: free tibet at December 04, 2018 03:39 PM (U4PcL)

https://tinyurl.com/yd4tj7fw

Posted by: Miklos, biznizman at December 04, 2018 03:44 PM (zCyNd)

269 But like... what's the plan here. Are poor people supposed to go back to living in pre-electricity days while only the rich can afford heat and lights?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

___________

For bureaucrats to control everything, that's the plan.

And the people that push the hardest for silly environmental laws and bankroll it have absolutely no intention of living like that. Using their private planes to pick up environmental awards, etc.

It's almost like mass transit, they want it so OTHER people will do it. But nobody is selling their car.

Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2018 03:44 PM (UfkIY)

270 If you don't pass this bill, global warming will be 80% worse in the US.

Posted by: Tom Arnold at December 04, 2018 03:44 PM (Ydn2k)

271 kraken

Five year plans and new deals
Wrapped in golden chains

Posted by: teej at December 04, 2018 03:44 PM (W8e/N)

272 "A group of Republican and Democratic lawmakers have teamed up on a bill
that would put a price on carbon as a way to reduce pollution and curb
climate change. increase taxes and put more power into the hands of politicians."
How's my editing skill?


Posted by: David Prince at December 04, 2018 03:44 PM (JkygK)

273 Why can't we just drill to the center of the earth and profit on all that molten lava for power? Are we afraid we will discover the aliens living within us?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:44 PM (2LelM)

274 256
Guys, we exhale the shit they're talking about taxing.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM



What am I, chopped liver?

Posted by: Boof at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (ctuyM)
Obviously Congress critters actually inhale and exhale from both ends, my apologies.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:45 PM (37IEG)

275 263
This shit won t help Repubs in blue states, but it will hurt Repubs in red states. So fucking stupid.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (a2vo1)

This shit is going nowhere. It is pure propaganda only.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 03:45 PM (mpXpK)

276 13 So my electric bill goes up by "x" amount, and even more manufacturing moves to China to avoid this tax... how exactly does this benefit me in any way?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (GBteo)
********************************
Unemployed people don't clog up commute traffic.

Posted by: Anchovy at December 04, 2018 03:45 PM (B3kya)

277 Did somebody say music?

For when the light's out...

https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=hTWKbfoikeg

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:45 PM (bcbK8)

278 237 Guys, we exhale the shit they're talking about taxing.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (37IEG) So they're going to tax us for breathing. I actually heard about such a scheme in California on the radio.

Posted by: Someguy at December 04, 2018 03:45 PM (t849v)

279 250 227 Is it illegal to shoot at wind mills?
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (2LelM)

++

Notice they never make postcard pictures out of windmill farms. Has got to be one of the most depressing sights to see is miles and miles of these contraptions, half out of order.
Posted by: washrivergal at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (rE1pK)

Try Tilting, it REALLY pisses off the Greens.

Posted by: Don Quixote, at December 04, 2018 03:45 PM (NgKpN)

280 And anal-sex providers for Washington state perverts

Not just Washington!

Posted by: Little Lupe Occupied-Cervix at December 04, 2018 03:45 PM (MrLnm)

281 And for those looking for something quieter...

https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=8CX83EQA8dc

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:45 PM (bcbK8)

282 I don't currently own a yellow vest.
_______________

You can order one from Amazon for about $8.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 04, 2018 03:45 PM (fqUgw)

283 Guys, we exhale the shit they're talking about taxing.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM

What am I, chopped liver?
Posted by: Boof


If they start taxing boof, I'm fucked.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (c3AZU)

284 250 227 Is it illegal to shoot at wind mills?
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (2LelM)

++

Notice they never make postcard pictures out of windmill farms. Has got to be one of the most depressing sights to see is miles and miles of these contraptions, half out of order.
Posted by: washrivergal


It's even more depressing than you realize. When you see all those unmoving windmills on holwing windy days, it's not because they are "broken" -- it because it actually costs more to run them than they produce in profits. The upkeep and maintenance and insurance etc. cancel out any revenue. Therefore, to save money, the operators lock them down. SO insane, so depressing.

Posted by: zombie at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (c+2jX)

285 Let slip the Accordians of War!

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (BMw+g)

286 We should require them to be built with no fossil fuel based lubricants.

If you want to talk green, let's talk green.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (c3AZU)

Most wind turbine units use 150-300 liters of lube oil.

Posted by: Miklos, former renewables economist at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (zCyNd)

287 261
255 Now if only we could mine that un-obtanium those blue people have under their damned sacred trees.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:42 PM (37IEG)



Drop a rock on them from orbit

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (bcbK
From what I understand that really changes the climate.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (37IEG)

288 267 240 If we riot in DC, can we please spare the Air Space Museum?

Posted by: josephistan at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (7HtZB)

==============
Yes, please. The Smithsonian dindonuffin!
---------------
The African American Museum would probably be improved by a riot.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (2LelM)

289 Knew there was some reason the French riots were not on the Media agenda, they are agreeing with Macron all along.

Posted by: Skip at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (/rm4P)

290 Yep, just like Western Europe. It's almost as if there is a plan that has been in place for 100 years or something.

Posted by: Palp Pilled at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (rwVFm)

291 272 "A group of Republican and Democratic lawmakers have teamed up on a bill
that would put a price on carbon as a way to reduce pollution and curb
climate change. increase taxes and put more power into the hands of politicians."
How's my editing skill?


Posted by: David Prince at December 04, 2018 03:44 PM (JkygK)

Well, you didn't show your work.

But accurate.
'B'

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (bcbK8)

292
So these fuckers have finally decided to declare they OWN the air over the country, and a new resource that can be legally taxed and marketed and pandered with is born.

Talk about fiat currency, now it's fiat resources.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:32 PM (37IEG)







Y'know, in some places in the US you can't collect the rain runoff from your own roof to store and use. Because according to the govt, rain water is a government-owned resource.

Same principle.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (veoSD)

293 A 91% reduction in carbon emissions"

I do love this prattle... ask the giraffes to define a "carbon emission", or define the values for "tons of carbon".

Feh. Not one could pass organic chemistry.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 03:47 PM (6qErC)

294 Oh, and for the record,

Sancho misheard what I was yelling as I was tilting at the windmill...

I was yelling 'its a Giant HOAX'...

Posted by: Don Quixote, at December 04, 2018 03:47 PM (NgKpN)

295 And BTW, there are no numbers or calculations in the report because it was generated from their asses. Of course the MFM is sucking it up like a starving dog finding a puddle of vomit.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 03:47 PM (mpXpK)

296 Native Americans cant get eagle feathers, by law. But wind farms can kill them by the hundred's without a fine.

Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 03:47 PM (bQtop)

297 Most wind turbine units use 150-300 liters of lube oil.
----------------------
I met that chick.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:47 PM (2LelM)

298 287 261
255 Now if only we could mine that un-obtanium those blue people have under their damned sacred trees.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:42 PM (37IEG)



Drop a rock on them from orbit

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (bcbK
From what I understand that really changes the climate.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (37IEG)

And THEN we land and offer to help them rebuild, in return for some weird rocks they don't even use...

It's like James Cameron didn't even think this through!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:47 PM (bcbK8)

299 So you've been to Palm Springs?
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (2LelM)

+++

Yes. You're driving down the highway and then all of a sudden they're there. The horror of it all just hits you and then sends you into instant state of unrelenting depression.

Posted by: washrivergal at December 04, 2018 03:47 PM (rE1pK)

300 Think I'll increase my carbon footprint right now with a beer run.

Posted by: A Better Class of Troll at December 04, 2018 03:47 PM (nfE6n)

301
What's the price?

Posted by: Mark Andrew _________________________

Tree-fiddy

Posted by: Locness Monster at December 04, 2018 03:47 PM (GEhPL)

302 Eagle ain't nothing but a carp with wings.

Posted by: garrett at December 04, 2018 03:48 PM (/NB++)

303 301
What's the price?

Posted by: Mark Andrew
Tree-fiddy

Posted by: Locness Monster at December 04, 2018 03:47 PM (GEhPL)

LOL

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:48 PM (bcbK8)

304 Y'know, in some places in the US you can't collect the rain runoff from your own roof to store and use. Because according to the govt, rain water is a government-owned resource.

Same principle.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (veoSD)

Well then we should be able to sue the government for Water Damage to our property!

Posted by: Don Quixote, at December 04, 2018 03:48 PM (NgKpN)

305 and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't we cut out carbon output in the last 10 years ANYWAY? Way, WAY out in front of the "paris accord" signatories?

kind of like we're walking while they're talking

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 04, 2018 03:48 PM (8D42x)

306 Therefore, to save money, the operators lock them down. SO insane, so depressing.

Posted by: zombie at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (c+2jX)

Wind farm operators are often ordered to shut down because output can unbalance the grid.

Posted by: Miklos, former renewables economist at December 04, 2018 03:48 PM (zCyNd)

307 More Government Graft!


Hooray!

...and Junk Science!

Double Hooray!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 04, 2018 03:48 PM (UsCnO)

308 284 250 227 Is it illegal to shoot at wind mills?
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (2LelM)

++

Notice they never make postcard pictures out of windmill farms. Has got to be one of the most depressing sights to see is miles and miles of these contraptions, half out of order.
Posted by: washrivergal

It's even more depressing than you realize. When you see all those unmoving windmills on holwing windy days, it's not because they are "broken" -- it because it actually costs more to run them than they produce in profits. The upkeep and maintenance and insurance etc. cancel out any revenue. Therefore, to save money, the operators lock them down. SO insane, so depressing.
Posted by: zombie


not to mention all the birds, raptors, eagles and bats that get killed every year. it is a veritable bird o cide

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2018 03:48 PM (d7Ww2)

309 >>A 91% reduction in carbon emissions by 2050? Gonna have to "reduce" the population of the US by about 300 MILLION to accomplish that.


I know, right?
They want us all living in "micro housing" in the cities, walking/biking/public transportation to travel, eating vegan local (you know, car fart kill!), etc.. Really.

Maybe if we spread word that this means a 91% reduction in your smartphone use, in your social media it might dawn on hipster millennial eco-twits this is an preposterous goal/promise?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2018 03:48 PM (W+vEI)

310 Drop a rock on them from orbit

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (bcbK
From what I understand that really changes the climate.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (37IEG)

And THEN we land and offer to help them rebuild, in return for some weird rocks they don't even use...

It's like James Cameron didn't even think this through!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards,


Or drop three, wait a month and start digging.

Posted by: Smurfs must die at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (Z04f8)

311 Do you know what the fine is for killing an eagle?

Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (bQtop)

312 This shit won t help Repubs in blue states, but it will hurt Repubs in red states. So fucking stupid.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (a2vo1)

This shit is going nowhere. It is pure propaganda only.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 03:45 PM (mpXpK)

------------

This, and they know it. It will not even pass in the House, much less the Senate.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (ffYR/)

313 If they start taxing boof, I'm fucked.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM


Us, too.

Posted by: The Happy Cows of California at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (ctuyM)

314 "A group of Republican and Democratic lawmakers have teamed up on a bill
that would put a price on carbon as a way to reduce pollution and curb climate change.




More accurate:


A group of Democrats have teamed up to spew vomit all over the press. Only two of them have "R"s after their names.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (mpXpK)

315 The fucking windmills are such a fraud. They make the blades here. I see them leaving out toward west all the time. Three at a time on 3 trucks. They make them here and I feel bad for the people employed making them when the whole mess comes crashing down.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (a2vo1)

316 If we get that Grand Solar Minimum and temps are down 5-15 degrees in winter ... they may #GetWoke and find carbon is just fine and dandy, and that we can build those nuke power plants in 2 years instead of 22.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (Cus5s)

317 I don't currently own a yellow vest.
_______________

You can order one from Amazon for about $8.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 04, 2018 03:45 PM


$6.69 -- I posted a link above. Prime members can get it delivered before the weekend.

I'd love to see it suddenly become 'Out of Stock' overnight. A shot across the bow to the left who think, 'It can't happen here!!!!'

Oh yes it can. If the Frogs are getting jumpy, we should be even jumpier.

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (e7O7B)

318 It comes down to subjugation of the masses.... and lots of people are willing to be subjugated by the government in return for a payoff...

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (ffWPP)

319 299 So you've been to Palm Springs?
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (2LelM)

+++

Yes. You're driving down the highway and then all of a sudden they're there. The horror of it all just hits you and then sends you into instant state of unrelenting depression.
----------------
Yes to everything you've said, but the big takeaway is that less than 10% of them are working. They do make a nice contrast to the Yucca Trees though.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (2LelM)

320 >>Wind farm operators are often ordered to shut down because output can unbalance the grid.


Yep. If someone isn't making toast when the wind blows, all that unused energy can really wreak havoc on the system.

Posted by: garrett at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (/NB++)

321 joesphistan - You obviously do not get the total reasons for rioting here.
BTW what is in the Air Space museum would you like to own? Maybe something like John Glenn's space helmet to put on your shelf?

Posted by: Skip at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (/rm4P)

322 So....I know you guys said "NO MATH!" but I did some rough calculations and that comes out to about $1.30 a gallon by the end of the 12 years. We already pay between 50 cents to $1.10 per gallon in tax on gasoline (depending on where you live). Its just another way to pick your pockets. The tax starts at roughly 16 - 17 cents a gallon but adds 10 cents a year. They figure on boiling the frog.

If you want to check my math, I used a C:H ratio of 1.87 for gasoline (Heywood IC engine text) and a specific gravity of .75 kg/liter (in honor of the French, also Heywood) then I tacked on a 4% CO2 addition for the refining of the gasoline (Wang et al from ANL) and there you have it.

Posted by: Steve #2 at December 04, 2018 03:50 PM (LSJmV)

323 By American people they mean Soros and all the investors who will trade in these artificial commodities. This is just another wealth transfer.

Posted by: American at December 04, 2018 03:50 PM (EiMfo)

324
The truly grand thing is that you just know that with the passage of time there is no point at which the Global Warming crowd will say, "Hey, maybe we were wrong?"

(see also: socialists, with about a 99.95% overlap)

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 03:50 PM (BWL+E)

325 Why can't we just drill to the center of the earth
and profit on all that molten lava for power? Are we afraid we will
discover the aliens living within us?


Posted by: Puddin Head


Because Iceland might tip over.

Posted by: Roland THTG at December 04, 2018 03:50 PM (88+cf)

326 >>Do you know what the fine is for killing an eagle?


Indeed, I do.

Same as the fine for killing a Heron.

Posted by: garrett at December 04, 2018 03:50 PM (/NB++)

327 278
237 Guys, we exhale the shit they're talking about taxing.

Posted
by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (37IEG) So they're going
to tax us for breathing. I actually heard about such a scheme in
California on the radio.


Posted by: Someguy at December 04, 2018 03:45 PM (t849v)
Co2 is one of those nazi gases, so. What pisses me off most is them declaring it's THEIRS TO TAX!
So do we have it all yet?
Heat and light generation taxes, check,
Water taxes (drinking, bathing, etc) check,
Food taxes, check
Land taxes, check
Housing taxes, check
Travel taxes, checkClothing taxes, check
Exhalation tax, well not quite yet, but we're working on it!

Posted by: Congress of the United States at December 04, 2018 03:51 PM (37IEG)

328 Sure, there are many ways to "store" energy. All of them require energy to convert one type to another.

There ain't no free lunch. Equations have to balance.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 03:51 PM (6qErC)

329 313 If they start taxing boof, I'm fucked.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM

Us, too.
Posted by: The Happy Cows of California at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (ctuyM)

They should tax...thingy.

That'll hit 'em where they live.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:51 PM (bcbK8)

330 296
Native Americans cant get eagle feathers, by law. But wind farms can kill them by the hundred's without a fine.

Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 03:47 PM (bQtop)

Not true. Native Americans are allowed to harvest so many eagles per year. Mostly they find eagles that have died or been killed by natural causes.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 03:51 PM (mpXpK)

331 If we are serious about reducing carbon emission nuking India and China would fix things rickey tick.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:51 PM (2LelM)

332 Wind farm operators are often ordered to shut down because output can unbalance the grid.
Posted by: Miklos, former renewables economist at December 04, 2018 03:48 PM (zCyNd)

Right. Solar and wind are always going to be problematic in that sense since the grid needs to produce electricity to match demand. Which means a constant and predictable amount of energy needs to be produced. Which means being able to spin up extra turbines at peak demand time, and taking some off line during lulls in demand.

The sun and wind aren't so kind as to coordinate themselves with our peaks and valleys of electrical usage.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:52 PM (GBteo)

333
They want us all living in "micro housing" in the cities

"They" are the same ones who protest the conditions at industrial poultry farms.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 03:52 PM (BWL+E)

334 And another thing-

The operation of wind turbines creates a localized field the encourages the formation of ground-to-cloud lightning, for which there is no effective protection.

About 10% of wind turbines in Europe are damaged by lightning each year, with an average repair cost of more than $200,000 each.

Posted by: Miklos, former renewables economist at December 04, 2018 03:52 PM (zCyNd)

335 Peaks and Valleys...

are we talking about Victoria Principal, again?

Posted by: garrett at December 04, 2018 03:53 PM (/NB++)

336 324


The truly grand thing is that you just know that with the passage of
time there is no point at which the Global Warming crowd will say,
"Hey, maybe we were wrong?"



(see also: socialists, with about a 99.95% overlap)



Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 03:50 PM (BWL+E)
They'll just shift the reason you need to keep funding them in whatever they want to do. At no point will you hear words that even remotely imply they were incorrect.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:53 PM (37IEG)

337 In the words of Maurice Strong, Secretary General of the Rio Conference -

"What if a small group of world leaders were to conclude that the principal risk to the Earth comes from the actions of the rich countries? And if the world is to survive, those rich countries would have to sign an agreement reducing their impact on the environment. Will they do it? The group's conclusion is "no." The rich countries won't do it. They won't change. So, in order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that about? This group of world leaders form a secret society to bring about an economic collapse."

pg. 11. Environmental Overkill: Whatever Happened to Common Sense? Dixie Lee Ray and Lou Guzzo. Regnery Gateway. 1993.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 04, 2018 03:53 PM (CPchy)

338 310 Drop a rock on them from orbit

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (bcbK
From what I understand that really changes the climate.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (37IEG)

And THEN we land and offer to help them rebuild, in return for some weird rocks they don't even use...

It's like James Cameron didn't even think this through!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards,


Or drop three, wait a month and start digging.
Posted by: Smurfs must die at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (Z04f

I like where your head is at.

Done and done, three rocks it is.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:53 PM (bcbK8)

339 not to mention all the birds, raptors, eagles and bats that get killed every year. it is a veritable bird o cide
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2018 03:48 PM (d7Ww2)

------------

Much like solar farms, which conveniently cook them for you as they fall.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 04, 2018 03:53 PM (ffYR/)

340 We can reduce carbon by eliminating all the leftards in the mega cities producing it through respiration.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 04, 2018 03:53 PM (a2vo1)

341 Okay, Paris is burning. Europe is a gun-free zone. Do they not understand what started the first American Revolution?

Posted by: Bill R. at December 04, 2018 03:54 PM (IuYIh)

342 Here's something,

Carbon in atmosphere:

https://www.nasa.gov/jpl/oco2/pia18934/

Notice anything?

I saw this years ago, and went to look for it again recently. Google has it buried and Nasa stopped updating it. wonder why,,,,

Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at December 04, 2018 03:54 PM (LWu6U)

343 331 If we are serious about reducing carbon emission nuking India and China would fix things rickey tick.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:51 PM (2LelM)

Hmmm...

How about a Carbon Tarif? If your country is generating too much carbon, like India and CHINA, there products get his with a Tarif.

Posted by: Don Quixote, at December 04, 2018 03:54 PM (NgKpN)

344 We don't really need better "batteries" -- what we need is better CAPACITORS. Something that can store huge amounts of energy at a central point (from over-production when it's not needed) and then release it little by little when it IS needed. The grid is too hyper-sensitive to second-by-second supply and demand, which is what makes wind and solar so stupid and useless.

Posted by: zombie at December 04, 2018 03:54 PM (c+2jX)

345 If we are serious about reducing carbon emission nuking India and China would fix things rickey tick.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:51 PM (2LelM)

Throw in Newark NJ and Philly, do it from outer space just to be sure.




Posted by: dananjcon at December 04, 2018 03:54 PM (xqfqx)

346 $1.94 Shelby Co, penciltucky, diesel $2.99. Grammie, I hope you are comfortable.

Posted by: Sumdumchief at December 04, 2018 03:54 PM (5ctK+)

347 Funny thing about windmills is they are too expensive to fix.
So most of the ones not turning are just broken, or they let them free wheel.

Posted by: Roland THTG at December 04, 2018 03:54 PM (88+cf)

348 Things I thought I'd Never Say: Let's attack with the fury of 10,000 Frenchmen!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 04, 2018 03:54 PM (+y/Ru)

349 China and India have nukes. MAD is a nono, also doesn't mean more tax money.

Posted by: Someguy at December 04, 2018 03:54 PM (t849v)

350 335 Peaks and Valleys...

are we talking about Victoria Principal, again?
Posted by: garrett at December 04, 2018 03:53 PM (/NB++)

She makes me peak.

Like a Joy Division album cover

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:55 PM (bcbK8)

351 Annually, the Treasury Department "would return 100 percent of the net revenue back to the American people."

................

In my best Foghorn Leghorn voice:

Well, now.. lessee here..

We gotta first account for accounting costs.. that's gonna be about 20% of those so-called profits..

Then.. hmm.. yes.. we gots to put away some in the rainy day fund.. about 25% I reckon'..

Now.. since all the po folk are gonna be hit hard by this tax, we gots to give some back to those folks first.. so, let's say 'bout 45% go to po folks.. who can argue with that?

Now... there we go.. the rest is "net"! All goes back to the American peoples!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 04, 2018 03:55 PM (so+oy)

352 Speaking of rocks, there are going to be Avatard 2 and Avatard 3 assaulting the proles in the cinema. Along with Battle Angel Alita.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 04, 2018 03:55 PM (CPchy)

353
If a cheap, clean, abundant energy source were to become feasible in industrialized countries, the same GW crowd would be the first ones to oppose it.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 03:55 PM (BWL+E)

354 needs to produce electricity to match demand.

Which is why they're working so hard to reduce demand. If we'd just stop our frivolous use of power, and work in the fields, as God intended, by the sweat of our brow and the dirt under our fingernails, we wouldn't need all this carbon producing technology!

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:55 PM (37IEG)

355 "To let the free market price out coal we should consider value pricing carbon," Rooney's statement said. "A revenue-neutral carbon fee is an efficient, market-driven incentive to move toward natural gas and away from coal and to support emerging alternate sources of energy."



They are fools, or think we are, or both.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 04, 2018 03:56 PM (yUvkN)

356 341 Okay, Paris is burning. Europe is a gun-free zone. Do they not understand what started the first American Revolution?
Posted by: Bill R. at December 04, 2018 03:54 PM (IuYIh)

They don't understand the FRENCH revolution, let alone ours.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:56 PM (bcbK8)

357 https://www.nasa.gov/jpl/oco2/pia18934/

Notice anything?

I saw this years ago, and went to look for it again recently. Google has it buried and Nasa stopped updating it. wonder why,,,,
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at December 04, 2018 03:54 PM (LWu6U)

Interesting, in the US it concentrates over areas controlled by Democrats.

Coincidence? or is it all the hot air they spew?

Posted by: Don Quixote, at December 04, 2018 03:56 PM (NgKpN)

358 If you want to check my math, I used a C:H ratio of 1.87 for gasoline (Heywood IC engine text) and a specific gravity of .75 kg/liter (in honor of the French, also Heywood) then I tacked on a 4% CO2 addition for the refining of the gasoline (Wang et al from ANL) and there you have it.

Posted by: Steve #2 at December 04, 2018 03:50 PM (LSJmV)
............

That made my hippocampus hurt.

Posted by: wth at December 04, 2018 03:56 PM (HgMAr)

359 Wonderful and I'm looking forward to all the tolls they're gonna put in Connecticut. I won't be able to leave my driveway without paying Ned Lamont money.

Posted by: Jaimo at December 04, 2018 03:56 PM (/Kt3K)

360 Charlie Crist was orange before Trump made it cool.

Posted by: mc at December 04, 2018 03:56 PM (l1TIo)

361 but haven't we cut out carbon output in the last 10 years"

Exposes the lie. As manufacturing becomes more and more efficient, the volume of waste/ unused materials decreases.

But the issue isn't waste. It's control.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 03:56 PM (6qErC)

362 353
If a cheap, clean, abundant energy source were to become feasible in industrialized countries, the same GW crowd would be the first ones to oppose it.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 03:55 PM (BWL+E)

Oh, we already invented that and they already do oppose it.

Nuclear energy should be cheap and plentiful, but the left has spent 50 years doing everything they can to drive up the cost of it and limit its use in the US.

Interestingly, something like 75% of the electricity generated in France is from nuclear power.

And instead of piling up nuclear waste indefinitely, they refine and reuse it.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:57 PM (GBteo)

363 341
Okay, Paris is burning. Europe is a gun-free zone. Do they not understand what started the first American Revolution?



Posted by: Bill R. at December 04, 2018 03:54 PM (IuYIh)
Is there a ship in Boston Harbor owned by the British East India Carbon company?

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:57 PM (37IEG)

364 352 Speaking of rocks, there are going to be Avatard 2 and Avatard 3 assaulting the proles in the cinema. Along with Battle Angel Alita.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 04, 2018 03:55 PM (CPchy)

And Alita looks so creepy. Anime proportions only work with animated toons.

Uncanny valleys* all over the place

*(And no, that's not a reference to Victoria Principal or Anne Hathaway)

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:57 PM (bcbK8)

365 If Senator Spartacus and Loopy teamed up to produce loin fruit, just how stupid would the poor idiot child be?

And yes I know Spartacus is likely not interested in Loopy.

Posted by: Northernlurker being f'n insufferable at December 04, 2018 03:57 PM (MkcN1)

366 Where is Separation of Church And State ?

Now they want us to pay tithes to their Church.
This Earth Worship violates the Establishment Clause and is a direct violation of Romans 1 and two of the Ten Commandments.

Religious Persecution !

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 04, 2018 03:57 PM (boNFp)

367 361 but haven't we cut out carbon output in the last 10 years"

Exposes the lie. As manufacturing becomes more and more efficient, the volume of waste/ unused materials decreases.

But the issue isn't waste. It's control.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 03:56 PM (6qErC)

Just like in The Matrix

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:57 PM (bcbK8)

368 Y'know, in some places in the US you can't collect
the rain runoff from your own roof to store and use. Because according
to the govt, rain water is a government-owned resource.



Same principle.


Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM

---

And you can be fined by the EPA if you "alter" the rainfall runoff from your property. That hidden gem cost me and extra $4K for multiple underground storage tanks when I had drainage work done on my backyard in Kentucky.


I was thinking they could just divert the pooling rain water to run out to the street, but no.....

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 04, 2018 03:58 PM (JUOKG)

369 Any chance Congress is going to tax China and India? Heh.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:58 PM (37IEG)

370 "and lots of people are willing to be subjugated by the government in return for a payoff...Posted by: kraken

much of the vast productivity and innovation has been confiscated by the corrupt grifters and banksters. If we had a fair system we'd all be working less with full health care ... instead the globalists leveraged/controlled markets and became 'trillionaires' ... and innovation is used to subjugate the masses. (FB/GOOG and all the spyware, lawfare, 2Big2Fail/Jail crooks running the show ...)


Then Along Came Trump ... but is it enough to stop them? Might need more yellow vests ... and bullets.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 04, 2018 03:59 PM (Cus5s)

371 328 Sure, there are many ways to "store" energy. All of them require energy to convert one type to another.

There ain't no free lunch. Equations have to balance.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 03:51 PM (6qErC)

Like, why can't we just pass a law to make them store more energy?

Posted by: Loopy Occasional-Cortex at December 04, 2018 03:59 PM (7HtZB)

372 359 Wonderful and I'm looking forward to all the tolls they're gonna put in Connecticut. I won't be able to leave my driveway without paying Ned Lamont money.
Posted by: Jaimo at December 04, 2018 03:56 PM (/Kt3K)

Oh, but I'm sure they'll lower the gas tax once they put in tolls, since their excuse for having such a ridiculously high gas tax was "well, we need infrastructure money and don't have any tolls."

Just kidding, they won't.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:59 PM (GBteo)

373 If Spartacus bred Loopy you would get a slow witted paramecium.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 04, 2018 03:59 PM (a2vo1)

374 How about a Carbon Tarif? If your country is generating too much carbon, like India and CHINA, there products get his with a Tarif.
-------------------------
That's tedious. Lets blow them up and redevelop what's left into condos and shopping malls.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:59 PM (2LelM)

375 So a 90 plus reduction in carbon emissions by 2050 when the US population will be roughly 400 million on it's current trajectory??


Ooookayyy!!!

Posted by: Kreplach at December 04, 2018 03:59 PM (2JcMg)

376 Few days ago I heard on the radio California's biggest solar panel farm couldn't even run in NYC just the subway not including anything else in the city.

Posted by: Skip at December 04, 2018 03:59 PM (/rm4P)

377 If a cheap, clean, abundant energy source were to become feasible in industrialized countries, the same GW crowd would be the first ones to oppose it.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
..........

They already did. It's called nuclear power.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 04, 2018 03:59 PM (so+oy)

378 We are the Democrat Party. Together with a few sellout Republicans, we are going to show you how much we HATE Americans.


Not the illegal future voters coming over the border. NO. They are compliant to their superiors, that is, us. YOU need to learn, you rubes.


We are forcing a tax that is a scam and based upon over 20 years of government-funded junk science. You rubes have no choice. None.


WE HATE YOU! And now, since we know even Trump cannot get rid of our fellow Deep State Democrats who run this country and decide who is breaking a law and who can get away with breaking laws, our "electorate division" will now be making new laws to screw you, bit by bit, forever!

Oh, and did we say it, STFU!

Posted by: Democrats at December 04, 2018 03:59 PM (UsCnO)

379 And instead of piling up nuclear waste indefinitely, they refine and reuse it.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:57 PM (GBteo)

And why don't we do that here?

Oh, a Law signed by Jimmy Carter... one that could have easily been overturned while we held both houses of Congress and the Presidency...

But... no...

Posted by: Don Quixote, at December 04, 2018 04:00 PM (NgKpN)

380 but the left has spent 50 years doing everything they can to drive up the cost of it and limit its use in the US."

100 percent true.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 04:00 PM (6qErC)

381 Y'know, in some places in the US you can't collect

the rain runoff from your own roof to store and use. Because according

to the govt, rain water is a government-owned resource.


If it's their fucking water, they can come fix my damn roof!

Posted by: Roland THTG at December 04, 2018 04:00 PM (88+cf)

382 If the Treasury is going to "return 100 percent of the net revenue back to the American people" every year, then why take it from us at all? In the real world, that money has an expensive night in DC ("carrying charges, Rick, carrying charges"), and then gets "redistributed" to pet pork projects and "the disadvantaged."

Posted by: Qoheleth at December 04, 2018 04:00 PM (iIzG7)

383 Not here Vic, they have to get the feathers from the state, why would you let Indians harvest feathers on their own?

Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 04:00 PM (OXTgr)

384 Then Along Came Trump ... but is it enough to stop them? Might need more yellow vests ... and bullets.


Posted by: illiniwek at December 04, 2018 03:59 PM (Cus5s) Yeah, let them wear the Yellow Vests, I'm wearing Flektarn.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 04:00 PM (37IEG)

385 "To boost the economy, I would tax all foreigners living abroad."

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 04:00 PM (bcbK8)

386 What this country needs is a few million more illiterate third world welfare parasites.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 04, 2018 04:01 PM (a2vo1)

387 I had hopes for Battle Angel Alita but Cameron has managed to dash them.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 04, 2018 04:01 PM (CPchy)

388 371 328 Sure, there are many ways to "store" energy. All of them require energy to convert one type to another.

There ain't no free lunch. Equations have to balance.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 03:51 PM (6qErC)

Like, why can't we just pass a law to make them store more energy?
Posted by: Loopy Occasional-Cortex at December 04, 2018 03:59 PM (7HtZB)

Just because the technology does not exist, it does not mean you don't have to follow the law.

Posted by: Calif Supreme Court at December 04, 2018 04:01 PM (NgKpN)

389 Mail guy is here, waiting for a package and there is no mail tomorrow for George Bush's funeral

Posted by: Skip at December 04, 2018 04:01 PM (/rm4P)

390 Any chance Congress is going to tax China and India? Heh.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:58 PM


I've read something recently... and forgive me for not 'drilling down' and doing proper research to give an opinion to the validity of the claim... but the claim was that the 'middle class' in India is now larger then the population of the United States of America.

Not sure if 'indoor plumbing' is part of that equation.

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex at December 04, 2018 04:01 PM (e7O7B)

391 Oh, a Law signed by Jimmy Carter... one that could have easily been overturned while we held both houses of Congress and the Presidency...

But... no...
Posted by: Don Quixote, at December 04, 2018 04:00 PM (NgKpN)

Is that where it came from? I assumed it was some obscure DoE rule that no one knows about.

We can't recycle the waste. We can't shove it in a mountain in Nevada... so instead it just sits in barrels at every nuclear plant in the country.

That's efficient.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 04:01 PM (GBteo)

392 So a 90 plus reduction in carbon emissions by 2050 when the US population will be roughly 400 million on it's current trajectory??


Ooookayyy!!!
Posted by: Kreplach

.............

But since most of those people by then will be Guatemalan or Honduran in origin, they will be quite happy with using donkey carts and open fires for heat.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 04, 2018 04:02 PM (so+oy)

393 Where's the Vibranium?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 04, 2018 04:02 PM (aKsyK)

394 358 - WTH

Sorry buddy, your hippocampus will get better with the proper application of ethanol.

Posted by: Steve #2 at December 04, 2018 04:02 PM (LSJmV)

395 >>Which is why they're working so hard to reduce demand. If we'd just stop our frivolous use of power, and work in the fields, as God intended, by the sweat of our brow and the dirt under our fingernails, we wouldn't need all this carbon producing technology!



Except...I don't think they want us in the country; they hate "urban sprawl" and would prefer us in the cities where we can be better managed.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2018 04:02 PM (W+vEI)

396 387 I had hopes for Battle Angel Alita but Cameron has managed to dash them.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 04, 2018 04:01 PM (CPchy)

"That's what he does. That's all he does!"

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 04:02 PM (bcbK8)

397 Next up for the GOPe....

Reasonable gun control....for the children.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM (beTd0)

398 385
"To boost the economy, I would tax all foreigners living abroad."

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 04:00 PM (bcbK
I recommend sucking their brains out with a straw, selling the widows, and going into South American Zinc.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM (37IEG)

399 Like, why can't we just pass a law to make them store more energy?"

I've actually had giraffes tell me that batteries are "limited", and that laws should demand "higher capacity"

I'm then told I'm rayciss and don't know science.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM (6qErC)

400 Forget the Vibranium, what we need is a good supply of Vizorium and Sadinga ore.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM (CPchy)

401 385 "To boost the economy, I would tax all foreigners living abroad."

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 04:00 PM



And send the 101st Division to collect. OK...lets start in...oh...lets go with Guatemala.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM (0tfLf)

402 can i start drinking yet?

and I still can't find a penis

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM (d7Ww2)

403 What do you mean, No Mail tomorrow?

It's not a Federal Holiday.

Posted by: garrett at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM (/NB++)

404
The oil companies killed the guy who invented the 200-mpg carburetor, you know.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM (BWL+E)

405 398 385
"To boost the economy, I would tax all foreigners living abroad."

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 04:00 PM (bcbK
I recommend sucking their brains out with a straw, selling the widows, and going into South American Zinc.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM (37IEG)

"I would cut off the more disreputable parts of the body and use the space for playing fields."

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 04:04 PM (bcbK8)

406 There is also a war on single family homes happening. The entire MSM is pushing people to live in small apartments and give us houses.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 04, 2018 04:04 PM (beTd0)

407 If you want to check my math, I used a C:H ratio of 1.87 for gasoline



C & H is bad juju to gas tanks.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 04:04 PM (c3AZU)

408 " That hidden gem cost me and extra $4K for multiple
underground storage tanks when I had drainage work done on my backyard
in Kentucky. I was thinking they could just divert the pooling rain water to run out to the street, but no.....Posted by: The Great White Scotsman

that's a surprise, I thought it was only out West they did that. I built my pond five years ago, no questions asked. But to do a bigger one (10 acres) I would have needed engineering and fees .... $20K before even starting.


But slowing down the runoff is considered a good thing, rather than sending more topsoil down the muddy Mississippi. Anything your tanks could hold is just less going down the creeks ... it won't be getting pumped for irrigation or anything ... I'd think. EPA is doing harm ... but of course they are.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 04, 2018 04:04 PM (Cus5s)

409 403 What do you mean, No Mail tomorrow?

It's not a Federal Holiday.
Posted by: garrett at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM (/NB++)

Dead Bush day, no federal workers working.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 04:04 PM (bcbK8)

410
Except...I don't think they want us in the
country; they hate "urban sprawl" and would prefer us in the cities
where we can be better managed.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2018 04:02 PM (W+vEI)
Oh, at some point we'll become burdensome, and boring and something will have to be done with us.

Think of the entertainment at the QuarterQuell!

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 04:04 PM (37IEG)

411 402 can i start drinking yet?

and I still can't find a penis
Posted by: nurse ratched


It's easy to find a penis. What's not so easy is to find a decent nice man attached to the back end of the penis.

Posted by: zombie at December 04, 2018 04:05 PM (c+2jX)

412 But like... what's the plan here. Are poor people supposed to go back to living in pre-electricity days while only the rich can afford heat and lights?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (GBteo)


_____


Our ruling caste betters will not be satisfied until we deplorable country caste folks are back living in caves, as cautioned a half-century ago by Ayn Rand in "Return of the Primitive" -- an expanded edition of "The New Left: The Anti-Industrial Revolution."

Posted by: ShainS -- Facial Scarring Survivor at December 04, 2018 04:05 PM (IFUWa)

413 Stop your fearmongering, Rethuglicans! If we don't cut carbon emissions, we're all gonna die!

Posted by: ProgBot 3000 at December 04, 2018 04:05 PM (uloIh)

414 Obamacare was also explained as being "deficit neutral".

Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 04, 2018 04:05 PM (4eutJ)

415 How come diesel was always cheaper when I was a kid, but now its more expensive?

Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 04:05 PM (OXTgr)

416 The oil companies killed the guy who invented the 200-mpg carburetor, you know. "

Snort

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 04:06 PM (6qErC)

417 >>Dead Bush day, no federal workers working.


Fuck that shit. I've got Records coming and going!

Posted by: garrett at December 04, 2018 04:06 PM (/NB++)

418 403 What do you mean, No Mail tomorrow?

It's not a Federal Holiday.
Posted by: garrett at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM (/NB++)

Trump shut down the Government in honor of Bush.

So Post Office is closed too.

Shut down the Gov.... kind of strange as Bush wouldn't do that...

Posted by: Calif Supreme Court at December 04, 2018 04:06 PM (NgKpN)

419 402 can i start drinking yet?

and I still can't find a penis

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM



I need to pay up on that beer I owe you.


Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 04:06 PM (0tfLf)

420 I recall Europeans being very concerned about calories available and who should get what amount during the 1930s. Seems Ukraine held the answer. Stuff changes but never really changes.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 04:06 PM (2LelM)

421 402
can i start drinking yet?



and I still can't find a penis

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM (d7Ww2)
Dare I ask is there a relationship between those two things?

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 04:06 PM (37IEG)

422 "If you make less than $75K a year, you're unsightly and need to die. So we're going to make sure you can't afford electricity."

--Your Betters

Posted by: Hikaru at December 04, 2018 04:06 PM (UnA8+)

423 411 402 can i start drinking yet?

and I still can't find a penis
Posted by: nurse ratched

It's easy to find a penis. What's not so easy is to find a decent nice man attached to the back end of the penis.
Posted by: zombie at December 04, 2018 04:05 PM (c+2jX)

Listen to your friend, Zombie.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 04:06 PM (bcbK8)

424 How come diesel was always cheaper when I was a kid, but now its more expensive?"

Depends on the color.

(Taxes)

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 04:07 PM (6qErC)

425 Well, Nurse Ratched.... is your search for a penis for clinical, work related purposes?????

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2018 04:07 PM (ffWPP)

426 The oil companies killed the guy who invented the 200-mpg carburetor, you know.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM (BWL+E)


... That ran on water.

Posted by: DR.WTF? at December 04, 2018 04:07 PM (T71PA)

427 Trump shut down the Government in honor of Bush.

So Post Office is closed too.
---------------------
Liquor stores are still in business I hope?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 04:07 PM (2LelM)

428 No package, so now will have to wait until Thursday.

Posted by: Skip at December 04, 2018 04:07 PM (/rm4P)

429 419 402 can i start drinking yet?

and I still can't find a penis

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM


I need to pay up on that beer I owe you.


Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 04:06 PM (0tfLf)

https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=JHYIGy1dyd8

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 04:07 PM (bcbK8)

430 Wait a minute....

Nurse

Penis

Is that Garp's mother?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 04, 2018 04:07 PM (CPchy)

431 This pisses me off.

The Post Office screams at the top of their lungs if you call them anything but an independent business.

Now they get another fucking day off to not do their jobs?

Posted by: garrett at December 04, 2018 04:07 PM (/NB++)

432 Forget the Vibranium

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR)


HEY!!!!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 04, 2018 04:08 PM (LPnfS)

433 and I still can't find a penis
Posted by: nurse ratched

.............

Have you tried under the bed?

Everything I lose ends up under the bed...

but, I never lost my penis.. (I could do a George Costanza shrinkage joke here.. but I won't!)

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 04, 2018 04:08 PM (so+oy)

434 They say all the good ones are taken, zombie.... of course, they say that about women, too, so.....

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2018 04:08 PM (ffWPP)

435 I get a 404 message

Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 04:08 PM (0tfLf)

436 The Post Office screams at the top of their lungs if you call them anything but an independent business"

Noticed that too?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 04:08 PM (6qErC)

437 Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 04:08 PM (0tfLf)

Remove space

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 04:09 PM (bcbK8)

438 Notice they never make postcard pictures out of windmill farms. Has got
to be one of the most depressing sights to see is miles and miles of
these contraptions, half out of order.

Posted by: washrivergal

I have a good friend that works in that industry directly. He will tell you that people talk out of their a$$ about wind power like it's some kind of cure all. With the tech we have right now, it takes an enormous wind farm to equal one coal plant. You have to find a huge flat space large enough to build on that gets enough windy days during the year to make it feasible. Then you have to buy that land and get permits to build the farm on it. Which is whole issue in itself. Depending on where you are, some people don't like these wind farms too much. Then you have to build and operate and maintain all those fans, which is not a cheap endeavor. And you have to find people with the expertise to do all that efficiently, who don't work cheaply. Climbing those things to fix them is dangerous. (My friend has done this.)
Don't get me wrong. Wind is a great renewable source of power and we should use it wherever it's feasible to do so. It fits well as a power solution in many areas and situations. But not all, and it's just not the cure all for all power applications some greenies seem to think it is.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at December 04, 2018 04:09 PM (8tNRg)

439 422
"If you make less than $75K a year, you're unsightly and need to die.
So we're going to make sure you can't afford electricity."



--Your Betters

Posted by: Hikaru at December 04, 2018 04:06 PM (UnA8+)
Why is there no power? Where is the power?
and...I'm hungry! Where is the food?
Hello? Hello?
Someone answer me! I'm IMPORTANT!

Posted by: Your Betters at December 04, 2018 04:09 PM (37IEG)

440 nood !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 04, 2018 04:09 PM (KVMek)

441 424 How come diesel was always cheaper when I was a kid, but now its more expensive?"

Depends on the color.

(Taxes)
-------------------------
Just put in a furnace that burns diesel and get it for half cost. Then pump it into your car and heat your house with gas. Every Midwest Farmer does this.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 04:09 PM (2LelM)

442 Carbon Taxes, based on "science". Real?



Are there 3 lights, or 4 lights, Captain Picard?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 04, 2018 04:09 PM (UsCnO)

443 >>I still can't find a penis


I've done the research.

You really just need something shaped like a penis.

Posted by: garrett at December 04, 2018 04:09 PM (/NB++)

444 Can we start putting Republicans in quotes when talking about 3/4 of these assholes? There's NO conservatism in bullshit science that only stands to stifle the American worker and American economy.

There is no Republican party anymore. There's the fringe element, then leftist fucktards. Period.

Posted by: Sponge at December 04, 2018 04:09 PM (F4u7C)

445 The left makes me feel like General Ripper. "Mandrake, do you realize that 20% of you *is* carbon?"

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 04, 2018 04:09 PM (/qEW2)

446 By ending dependence on yukky oil, we'll increase demand for yummy renewables, which will reduce icky climate change and improve juicy social justice! How?!?! OMG, what a bizarre question! Do we ask "how" we stop abusing women and children?!?!

Posted by: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Actual For Real Congresswoman at December 04, 2018 04:09 PM (uloIh)

447 433 and I still can't find a penis
Posted by: nurse ratched

.............

Have you tried under the bed?

Everything I lose ends up under the bed...

but, I never lost my penis.. (I could do a George Costanza shrinkage joke here.. but I won't!)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 04, 2018 04:08 PM (so+oy)

I hear some of them are....detachable.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 04:09 PM (bcbK8)

448 nood, household joe

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 04:10 PM (GBteo)

449 I need to pay up on that beer I owe you.


Posted by: Diogenes

LCD and Mark want in too.

and we decided it was dinner. steaks and wine
and some old port, you'll have to ask LCD

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2018 04:10 PM (d7Ww2)

450 This pisses me off.

The Post Office screams at the top of their lungs if you call them anything but an independent business.

Now they get another fucking day off to not do their jobs?
Posted by: garrett
...............
At one of the busiest weeks of the entire eff'n year!

And you know what?

I bet you dollars to donuts (which no longer makes sense really these days) that those SOB's will still be working tomorrow at double pay because they are working on an official "holiday"!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 04, 2018 04:10 PM (so+oy)

451 I think Battle Angel Alita's release date has been pushed back at least twice.

The freaky eyes need to go. Doc Ido needs the mark of Tiaphranes on his forehead. And Hugo needs to lose the hoverbike and the bad boy clothes for the street rat clothes.

And because Cameron waited for so long to bring this movie to the screen, now most will think Tiaphranes is a rip-off of Elysium.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 04, 2018 04:11 PM (CPchy)

452 I was at the local watering hole for lunchhere in downtown Chgo, and there were a bunch of farmers there. In town for the annual Farm Bureau meeting. There were talking about having wind farms on theri property. One guy said he had 3 and he gets 15k/yr on each. The risk is the company goes bankrupt and he's stuck with a big windmill on his property. I also assked about the bird problem and he said it wasnt one for him at least. And the ethenol conversation was interesting too

Posted by: Big Al fredo at December 04, 2018 04:11 PM (iWo0u)

453 390 Any chance Congress is going to tax China and India? Heh.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:58 PM

I've read something recently... and forgive me for not 'drilling down' and doing proper research to give an opinion to the validity of the claim... but the claim was that the 'middle class' in India is now larger then the population of the United States of America.

Not sure if 'indoor plumbing' is part of that equation.

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex at December 04, 2018 04:01 PM (e7O7B)

"Middle class" is a relative measure. Middle class in India = lower class in the US.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 04, 2018 04:11 PM (RD7QR)

454 437 Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 04:08 PM (0tfLf)

Remove space

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 04:09 PM

*******

Ahh...that works.
Well, I can help with the alcohol, but Mrs D frowns on sharing anything else. I think Bluebell sent her a custom shiv.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 04:11 PM (0tfLf)

455 We used to get the special desial for job sites, colored for your convince

Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 04:11 PM (OXTgr)

456 I would balance the budget by laying the lessor countries of the world under tribute.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 04, 2018 04:11 PM (yUvkN)

457 If a cheap, clean, abundant energy source were to
become feasible in industrialized countries, the same GW crowd would be
the first ones to oppose it.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

..........



They already did. It's called nuclear power.


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 04, 2018 03:59 PM

---

Don't forget me!

Posted by: Hydropower at December 04, 2018 04:12 PM (JUOKG)

458 449 I need to pay up on that beer I owe you.


Posted by: Diogenes

LCD and Mark want in too.

and we decided it was dinner. steaks and wine
and some old port, you'll have to ask LCD

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2018 04:10 PM

********

Ha! Let me know how it goes.

I'll be at the BJs in Southcenter drinking ales.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 04:12 PM (0tfLf)

459 Idiots, doing idiot things, because they're idiots.

Posted by: Sterling Archer at December 04, 2018 04:13 PM (rznWS)

460 They are anti electricity.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 04, 2018 04:14 PM (4eutJ)

461 @362
Interestingly, something like 75% of the electricity generated in France is from nuclear power.

And instead of piling up nuclear waste indefinitely, they refine and reuse it.
-----------------

IIRC, there's a tiny bit of it that can't be refined and reused, and it's stored underneath one of their touristy sites (can't remember which one off the top of my head). In the US, however, doing that is prohibited due to rules that were passed back during the Carter era.

Wasn't Germany largely nuclear as well, until just recently?

Posted by: junior at December 04, 2018 04:14 PM (Fp6vo)

462 383
Not here Vic, they have to get the feathers from the state, why would you let Indians harvest feathers on their own?

Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 04:00 PM (OXTgr)

since the feathers are on federal land why would they have to go to the State?

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 04:15 PM (mpXpK)

463 @361 but haven't we cut out carbon output in the last 10 years"

Exposes the lie. As manufacturing becomes more and more efficient, the volume of waste/ unused materials decreases.
--------------

Part of it is also the shift to cheap, plentiful natural gas thanks to frakking.

Posted by: junior at December 04, 2018 04:16 PM (Fp6vo)

464 From "Findlaw" site




The Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act, passed in 1940, prohibits
"pursuing, shooting, shooting at, poisoning, wounding, killing
capturing, trapping, collecting, molesting, or disturbing" a bald or
golden eagle. It's is also illegal to "possess, sell, purchase,
barter, offer to sell, offer to purchase or barter, transport ... any
bald eagle... alive, dead, or any part, nest or egg thereof."





This means you can't take or even move any part of a bald eagle, not
even a feather already on the ground. A single violation could result in
up to one year in prison and a $5,000 fine.





Migratory Bird Treaty Act





In addition to bald and golden eagles, you could even get in trouble
for picking up a migratory bird's feather. The Migratory Bird Treaty Act
of 1918 also makes is illegal to kill, sell, buy, or possess
any part of an alive or dead migratory bird. This law pretty much
protects almost all birds except for house sparrows, starlings, and
pigeons.



Exception





Because of the religious and cultural significance of eagle feathers, the law makes an exception that allows members of federally recognized tribes to own eagle feathers. Eligible Native Americans must first get a permit to own and receive eagle feathers. The law allows Native Americans to wear, use, inherit, or even give feathers to other Native Americans. However, they cannot give the feathers to non-Native Americans.







So, if you ever see a bird feather, especially an eagle feather, leave it alone, unless you're a Native American.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 04:19 PM (mpXpK)

465 Rickb223 - not when it comes pre-bound. Its when you split them and mix them with oxygen that wonderful things happen.

Posted by: Steve #2 at December 04, 2018 04:19 PM (LSJmV)

466 nood

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 04:21 PM (mpXpK)

467 BTW, that BS unconstitutional Migratory Bird Treaty includes crows too.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 04:24 PM (mpXpK)

468 24 Hunter ORANGE.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 04, 2018 04:34 PM (X9Eva)

469
What's the point of taxing people if you are just going to give the money back? Makes no sense.
=====

All money and production belongs to the state. If you are very good, they may 'rebate' some back to you.

Sounds absolutely nonsensical/snarky, but unfortunately true.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 04, 2018 04:36 PM (MIKMs)

470 Wasn't Germany largely nuclear as well, until just recently?


Their plan is to switch to Russian natural gas.

Smart.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 04, 2018 04:38 PM (yUvkN)

471 So they are going to declare carbon, the fundamental building block of all life, "pollution".
And they claim their end goal is to what?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 04, 2018 04:45 PM (1g7ch)

472 Would it be taken as a threat, if someone sent these Representatives a "Yellow Vest" in the mail? Or a lot of "We the People"?

Posted by: Paladin at December 04, 2018 04:48 PM (xoLG3)

473 93 come on, haven't you ever wanted to get a politician in reach?

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 04, 2018 04:49 PM (TpMXn)

474 405 shit, California already taxes people who move out of state, sometimes years after they move.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 04, 2018 04:56 PM (TpMXn)

475 A STUPID TAX TO BE PAYED BY ALL THOSE WHO REALY BELEIVE THIS GLOBAL WARMING/CLIMATE CHANGE POPPYCOCK

Posted by: Tamaa Bird 1000 Voices at December 04, 2018 05:07 PM (wGqjj)

476 474
405 shit, California already taxes people who move out of state, sometimes years after they move.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 04, 2018 04:56 PM (TpMXn)


KY tried that with a friend of mine who spent 5 years stationed in SC on a submarine. He listed KY as his home of record so he could get KY taxes and tags on his car. KY's taxes and insurance rates were much cheaper than SC. But then KY started dunning him for 5 years of back State taxes which he never paid. He ignored all their letters. Eventually they issued a bench warrant for his arrest. Bench Warrants are no good out of the State they are issued in. So all it did was make him liable to be arrested if he is ever stopped in KY for anything. I suspect CA would be the same way.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 05:08 PM (mpXpK)

477 keep the fed out and US usage will go down. stick your fingers in and teh disaster will rival the housing blowout of 2008

Posted by: TX 32 orphan at December 04, 2018 05:31 PM (Wa5hI)

478 Carbon is NOT pollution.

(Pretty sure I'm right about this one.)

Posted by: Rachel Carson at December 04, 2018 05:43 PM (B9OsQ)

479 "Annually, the Treasury Department "would return 100 percent of the net revenue back to the American people."
I also have a bridge in Arizona to sell.

Posted by: harleycowboy at December 04, 2018 07:40 PM (+9AX9)

480 They may return all the money to the American people.- but only to about 200 Americans

Posted by: Lousy1 at December 04, 2018 08:13 PM (1wxON)

481 I wonder how difficult it would be to build a backyard-scale refinery to change a variety of feedstocks into motor fuel...

Posted by: Gridlock at December 04, 2018 09:28 PM (U0STj)

482 Why, oh, why, does everyone call it CARBON when it's CARBON DIOXIDE, an entirely different molecule?
Oh, right: the Leftoids call it "carbon" because that makes it sound like they're taxing smoke and soot, not CO2.
And the Repubs fall right in line with the Leftoids' branding, like they always do.

Posted by: Beverly at December 05, 2018 01:50 AM (/WaIN)

483 Veto this shit.

Posted by: Case, gimme back my bullets at December 05, 2018 02:31 AM (XWvgx)

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