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Wonderful: As Paris Burns, Republicans Join Democrats to Put Tax on Carbon (The Invisible Killer)
Is this how you got Trump? Because I think this sort of thing is how you got Trump.
A group of Republican and Democratic lawmakers have teamed up on a bill that would put a price on carbon as a way to reduce pollution and curb climate change. The members that have signed onto the House version of the Energy Innovation and Carbon Dividend Act (EICDA) include Ted Deutch (D-Fla.), Charlie Crist (D-Fla.), Francis Rooney (R-Fla.), John Delaney (D-Md.) and Brian Fitzpatrick (R-Pa.). According to Deutch, the legislation seeks to "help reduce U.S. carbon pollution by 40 percent in 12 years, with a 91 percent reduction target by 2050 (vs. 2015 levels)" by pricing carbon at $15 per metric ton of CO2e and "increasing the price by $10 every year." Annually, the Treasury Department "would return 100 percent of the net revenue back to the American people."Right, I remember when all the money generated by our Solyndra investment was returned to the American people too.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Huck Follywood, Moar Coffee at December 04, 2018 03:12 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 03:12 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: zeera at December 04, 2018 03:12 PM (+UeSQ)
Posted by: steevy at December 04, 2018 03:12 PM (BXMxN)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 04, 2018 03:13 PM (guOXV)
What does that look like in practice? Do I get a check in the mail, or...
And why are we using the word "net" here? What expenses are we anticipating?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:13 PM (GBteo)
Annually, the Treasury Department "would return 100 percent of the net revenue back to the American people.
Posted by: Why yes, we do think Americans are stupid at December 04, 2018 03:13 PM (LISuA)
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*La Noir picture meme here*
X - Doubt
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 04, 2018 03:13 PM (KUaJL)
Posted by: EGGO at December 04, 2018 03:13 PM (D4xED)
Posted by: kallisto at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (DJFLF)
Posted by: zeera at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (+UeSQ)
Posted by: clutch cargo at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (TUU1F)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (GBteo)
Posted by: Leonard Pinth-Garnell at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (7A6l6)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Moar Global Warming! at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (bQtop)
in the Philly collar counties anyway.
So what's the point if the Senate will thumbs down the bill?
Posted by: kallisto at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (DJFLF)
Posted by: Dr Spank at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (4e+hS)
Posted by: SturmToddler at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (8D42x)
Net being the critical word. Expect Hollywood accounting methods.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 03:15 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Why yes, we do think Americans are stupid at December 04, 2018 03:13 PM (LISuA)
Does not that also apply to Welfare, Section 8, SS, Medicare, etc!
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 04, 2018 03:15 PM (JFO2v)
Posted by: Robschr at December 04, 2018 03:15 PM (xvcfd)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
97% of gross revenues.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:15 PM (c3AZU)
Posted by: JEM at December 04, 2018 03:15 PM (8erNz)
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 04, 2018 03:15 PM (t6MX/)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 04, 2018 03:15 PM (YqDXo)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:16 PM (bcbK8)
Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 03:16 PM (bQtop)
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 04, 2018 03:16 PM (OD2ni)
Rich people can disproportionately afford to buy electric cars, pimp their houses out with solar panels, etc, so they're going to they're going to get the benefit, while poor people won't.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 04, 2018 03:16 PM (KUaJL)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 03:16 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: rickl at December 04, 2018 03:16 PM (xjiRE)
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 04, 2018 03:16 PM (jxbfJ)
...Generally...
...some members are useless piles of whale shit...
...and some are...
The fleas that feed off of the shit.
This collection of GOP retards are fleas.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 04, 2018 03:16 PM (2JcMg)
Yeah, and here I am all excited in CA that it's back under $4/gal. Probably due to no more "summer blend."
Posted by: clutch cargo at December 04, 2018 03:16 PM (TUU1F)
all that heavy breathing causes global warming! the carbon footprint of all that gasping and panting must be astronomical!
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2018 03:16 PM (d7Ww2)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:16 PM (bcbK8)
Ace: really good sidebar pieces about the riots in Paris. The one Jupiter article describes how the dissatisfaction with Macron is much deeper than simply the gas tax.
Also the CBS piece in the linked youtube is surprisingly SJW lingo free.
There is footage of the french police ganging up on a protestor. Why don't they ever understand only one cop with a baton can do damage? They don't need to gang bang.
Posted by: kallisto at December 04, 2018 03:17 PM (DJFLF)
Obviously, there are donors who pay good money to pay Congressmen to pass this crap.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2018 03:17 PM (W+vEI)
Due to ubiquity, my fist is itchy a lot.
Posted by: Sporkatus at December 04, 2018 03:17 PM (HtLSE)
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 04, 2018 03:17 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Moar Global Warming! at December 04, 2018 03:17 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: Iblis at December 04, 2018 03:17 PM (9221z)
What does that look like in practice? Do I get a check in the mail, or...
And why are we using the word "net" here? What expenses are we anticipating?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:13 PM (GBteo)
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Net is after Admin. Expenses and .Gov takes its cut. If 15 cents on the dollar made it back out, I would be amazed. This is their weasel wording to avoid calling it a tax.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 04, 2018 03:17 PM (ffYR/)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:17 PM (c3AZU)
Posted by: Cheri at December 04, 2018 03:17 PM (G+Wff)
Uh, how does one calculate the "net revenue" of the Federal Government?
Posted by: bonhomme at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (9qZ3S)
Posted by: kallisto at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (DJFLF)
Fitzpatrick spent a TON of money to win this time around so I think he's got a lot of IOUs to pay off.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Moar Global Warming! at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (bcbK8)
Hmmm...where did I put my Yellow Jacket?
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead
I see a money making idea there!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (aKsyK)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:13 PM (GBteo)
well, there's government overhead, salaries of the people to manage the funds, graft, overseas trips to see how the French and others are beating the protesters, graft, and other such funds that the "net" ends up being about 15 cents... total. split 320 million ways evenly-ish...
Posted by: SturmToddler at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (8D42x)
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (Z04f8)
This is the reason that Trump doesn't suck, or anything close to it. It's why whatever comes after Trump will be -much- less tolerant and nice. And it's why no one trusts Republicans.
Posted by: trev006 at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (qqEFK)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (c3AZU)
OK, now I'm trying to wrap my head around what it would be like to actually mean that.
Posted by: JPS at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (n381t)
Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (0OmEj)
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (RD7QR)
are you in his district? My district is fooked, barring some Black Swan event of the majority constituents getting a brain.
Posted by: kallisto at December 04, 2018 03:19 PM (DJFLF)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 04, 2018 03:19 PM (guOXV)
0.04 pct of atmospheric gases...
Humans contribution to that is rounding error to what is essentially a rounding error.
This is all a gigantic scam.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 04, 2018 03:19 PM (2JcMg)
Not to worry, the Democratic governor and legislature in Washington will pass a carbon tax this session anyway, despite the voters.
They don't believe that voters in Washington will respond the way the French have.
Posted by: The ARC of History at December 04, 2018 03:19 PM (TEv5V)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvUUYaPaEao
Posted by: rickl at December 04, 2018 03:19 PM (xjiRE)
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 04, 2018 03:19 PM (dCxen)
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (Z04f
An excise tax on all those self-righteous pricks flying to Davos climate summits in private jets.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 03:19 PM (NWiLs)
Rich people can disproportionately afford to buy electric cars, pimp their houses out with solar panels, etc, so they're going to they're going to get the benefit, while poor people won't.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 04, 2018 03:16 PM (KUaJL)
Well, also, the largest carbon "releasers" are:
farmers (livestock)
electric power plants (coal, natural gas)
industry (manufacturing, transportation, etc.)
So who is going to be paying this tax (indirectly, at least)? Well, people who live in farm country with coal power plants that rely on diesel trucks to deliver goods to them.
Who isn't going to be paying this tax? People who have nuclear power (or high concentrations of people running off massive efficient gas power plants will only see small increases), don't have livestock, and are served by rail (price per ton per mile is much lower) and/or are near a port.
In other words, blue cities will have a low tax burden per person while rural areas will have a higher one.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:20 PM (GBteo)
Posted by: ShainS -- Facial Scarring Survivor at December 04, 2018 03:20 PM (IFUWa)
Posted by: kallisto at December 04, 2018 03:20 PM (DJFLF)
Posted by: Archer at December 04, 2018 03:20 PM (3If25)
Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2018 03:20 PM (W+vEI)
Fucking useless coward shitballs.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 04, 2018 03:20 PM (7TCRf)
If 15 cents on the dollar made it back out, I would be amazed. This is
their weasel wording to avoid calling it a tax.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 04, 2018 03:17 PM (ffYR/)
And 100% of net revenue is returned to the American people in all sorts of wealth redistribution schemes.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 04, 2018 03:20 PM (t6MX/)
That doesn't mean what they want you to think it means.
Posted by: Roland THTG at December 04, 2018 03:20 PM (88+cf)
Posted by: Chief Justice Tax at December 04, 2018 03:20 PM (A0ryi)
Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2018 03:20 PM (ffWPP)
Posted by: wth at December 04, 2018 03:21 PM (HgMAr)
I was thinking Elmer Fudd's inheritance from Uncle Louie in The Wabbit Who Came to Supper:
"...which weaves you owing us fwee dollars and sixtyfive cents. Pwease wemit"
Posted by: Sporkatus at December 04, 2018 03:21 PM (HtLSE)
After all, we all need to do our part./s
Posted by: The ARC of History at December 04, 2018 03:21 PM (TEv5V)
Posted by: washrivergal at December 04, 2018 03:21 PM (rE1pK)
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 04, 2018 03:21 PM (Z04f8)
Posted by: Cheri at December 04, 2018 03:21 PM (G+Wff)
Posted by: SturmToddler at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (8D42x)
Right. And we'll "get that money back" by using the money to offset phantom tax increases or some such nonsense, I'm sure.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:21 PM (GBteo)
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at December 04, 2018 03:22 PM (bgJ0E)
Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 03:16 PM (bQtop)
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Half that here in Suburban Atl. Some places are $1.97 or so.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 04, 2018 03:22 PM (ffYR/)
and graft, always the graft....
Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2018 03:22 PM (ffWPP)
Posted by: Archer at December 04, 2018 03:22 PM (3If25)
Posted by: Sharkman at December 04, 2018 03:22 PM (O033+)
Posted by: steevy at December 04, 2018 03:22 PM (BXMxN)
All part of the plan, of course.
At the Democratic Party, we are all about benefitting our friends and screwing our enemies.
Posted by: The Democrats at December 04, 2018 03:22 PM (TEv5V)
Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2018 03:22 PM (ffWPP)
I'm sure if you polled people, huge majorities buy into climate change, but when you poll them on say if they want their utility bill doubled to buy a bunch of wind farms, you get a much different response.
Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2018 03:22 PM (UfkIY)
I don't know, I didn't really pay attention.
Cheaper then it has been, but not as cheap as it was a few years ago when it got below $2.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:23 PM (GBteo)
Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 03:23 PM (bQtop)
After all, we all need to do our part./s
Posted by: The ARC
The downside of that is the possibility of having to sit next to a Congressman. Ick.
Posted by: Cheri at December 04, 2018 03:23 PM (G+Wff)
Posted by: NZFrank
An armed society is a polite society.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:23 PM (c3AZU)
Annually, the Treasury Department "would return 100 percent of the net revenue back to the American people."
Gee, thanks guys! Giving us our own money back. Less a small "administrative fee".
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 03:23 PM (BWL+E)
Posted by: EGGO at December 04, 2018 03:23 PM (D4xED)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:17 PM (c3AZU)
Brian Fitzpatrick is my very own congresscritter. I suppose I could have stayed at home or voted for his Democrat opponent, Scott Wallace, who is a literal red diaper baby. His grandfather was FDR's VP Henry Wallace, a stone Commie.
Mark my words: This shit keeps up, Republican turnout will plummet in 2020. The Democrats won't even need vote fraud.
Posted by: rickl at December 04, 2018 03:23 PM (xjiRE)
Really, do we have enough rope and lampposts? We might need to invest in more.
Posted by: WOPR at December 04, 2018 03:23 PM (J70i0)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Moar Global Warming! at December 04, 2018 03:23 PM (LISuA)
Oh, and Health Insurance.
Our government will intercede in the economy, via the Tax system, and destroy large portions of the economy.
For non existing crises.
Posted by: Don Q at December 04, 2018 03:23 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 04, 2018 03:24 PM (OLCnA)
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at December 04, 2018 03:22 PM (bgJ0E)
...I also think it's self selecting.
I grew up in an urban area, and now live in a rural'ish area.
I know a lot of people who have done the same move as me (not necessarily for politics, but its kind of tied in), and many who have done the reverse.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:24 PM (GBteo)
If they insist on driving, that's their problem.
Posted by: A Left-Wing Resident of Portland at December 04, 2018 03:24 PM (TEv5V)
Yes, this is one-world government evil territory.
Thanks a lot, NRO / AEI / Tru-Con turds. This is your fucking doing.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 04, 2018 03:24 PM (7TCRf)
Hasn't the US been reducing its carbon footprint despite not signing on to the Paris Accord - and without some bogus carbon credit system?
Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2018 03:24 PM (W+vEI)
Otherwise known as the Let's Kill All The Trees By Starving Them Of Carbon Dioxide. Die, Pine, Die Act
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 04, 2018 03:24 PM (veoSD)
Posted by: Archer at December 04, 2018 03:24 PM (3If25)
What does that look like in practice? Do I get a check in the mail, or...
And why are we using the word "net" here? What expenses are we anticipating?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:13 PM
My bullsh*t meter always pegs whenever I hear politicians trying to sound like business professionals. It's laughable.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 03:24 PM (0tfLf)
Posted by: Boomer at December 04, 2018 03:24 PM (zHhW4)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:23 PM (c3AZU)
Well I was walking around with an AR most of the time to be fair.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at December 04, 2018 03:24 PM (bgJ0E)
Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2018 03:24 PM (ffWPP)
Posted by: steevy at December 04, 2018 03:22 PM (BXMxN)
+++
I thought we were at the point of no return. Perhaps this is just our punishment for not "listening".
Posted by: washrivergal at December 04, 2018 03:24 PM (rE1pK)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 04, 2018 03:25 PM (cqNba)
Posted by: Max Power at December 04, 2018 03:25 PM (q177U)
But these dumb fucks in Congress want to tax it?
Send us into another fucking recession.. assholes!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 04, 2018 03:25 PM (so+oy)
$1.89 in Brazoria County, Texas. But it's just ordinary stuff, not the fancy-schmancy artisanal boutique gasoline you California snobs use.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 03:25 PM (BWL+E)
Turns out - we were lied to. We got One Party Govt. Am I the only on sick and fucking tired of being lied to ?
Posted by: A Better Class of Troll at December 04, 2018 03:25 PM (nfE6n)
I thought he lost his bid for re-election. No?
I'm not going to get my hair on fire over this - even if it makes it to PDJT it's DOA.
Posted by: DocJ at December 04, 2018 03:25 PM (NYS7S)
Posted by: Don Q at December 04, 2018 03:25 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 03:26 PM (BWL+E)
Welp, all we had left was this ball of pocket lint and these cancelled ticket stubs to a showing of The Aristocrats.
Your betters
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 04, 2018 03:26 PM (Z4rgH)
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 04, 2018 03:26 PM (imow9)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 04, 2018 03:26 PM (ctuyM)
Posted by: ro-man at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (RuIsu)
Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (W+vEI)
Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (UfkIY)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (6qErC)
Nah - if you phrase it the right way in a survey, you can get people to agree that they want their utility bill doubled to buy a bunch of wind farms.
After all, talk is cheap.
If you actually double their electrical bill, you'll get a different response.
Posted by: The ARC of History at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (TEv5V)
Posted by: steevy at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (BXMxN)
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As has oft been said: We aren't voting our way out of this.
Posted by: Methos at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (kOpft)
Posted by: Boomer at December 04, 2018 03:24 PM (zHhW4)
/spit...
$3.59 here in Clownifornia
Posted by: Don Q at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (P4Pk9)
They are evil but they ain't stupid.
We will never see sub $2.00 gas in NJ.
And a mighty fuck you to Chris Christie for that you fucking asshole piece of shit.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (2JcMg)
it is bothersome that they call it a "carbon" tax ... as if carbon is not an essential part of life. Someone should insist on calling it a tax on all energy and on all productive people. (which will do nothing to affect climate, but will push more production to China where they will belch dirty coal soot out tax free)
Posted by: illiniwek at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (Cus5s)
Posted by: Forheremenaremen at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (XmV7U)
Fuck you.
Posted by: Sponge at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (F4u7C)
This applies to both individually purchased "carbon credits" and to nationwide "carbon taxes," btw. If we as a country make manufacturing more expensive, then the price of our goods go up, and as a result customers the world over will migrate to cheaper goods made in China or other countries without punitive taxes on productivity. So the factories here in the US may spew less carbon -- but in China and elsewhere they'll spew MORE carbon as a consequence.
And when someone individually buys a "carbon credit" to "offset" his carbon footprint, all he's doing is bribing someone int he third world to suffer in his stead -- the reverse of the taxes, but with the same evening-out result. You pay a foreigner to eschew modern conveniences, so that you can enjoy them yourself. End result: more carbon is still burned by you.
Any Republican who voted for this bullshit is now on the "must be voted out and expunged" list. The Democrats, needless to say, are already a lost cause.
Posted by: zombie at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (c+2jX)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (mpXpK)
But these dumb fucks in Congress want to tax it?
Send us into another fucking recession.. assholes!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 04, 2018 03:25 PM (so+oy)
Sure. Need to hurt PDT's reelection bid.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (NWiLs)
The idol shall be dedicated to the god or goddess of climate, whomever that may be, with much supplication and entreaties and in this manner the intended reduction in global temperature on planet Earth from the levying of the carbon tax shall be realized.
Posted by: Energy Innovation and Carbon Dividend Act (EICDA) at December 04, 2018 03:28 PM (DuAZ5)
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 04, 2018 03:28 PM (CPchy)
Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 03:28 PM (0tfLf)
Somewhere in the wilds of Ohio. Where gasoline grows on trees. (or am I making that up?)
Up in the Mitten Kingdom (Michigan to the unwashed) it was $2.03.9 on the highway, and up to $2.49.9 in the Detroit suburbs.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at December 04, 2018 03:28 PM (vcOmj)
Posted by: Embarrassing Stain at December 04, 2018 03:28 PM (A0ryi)
Its almost as if they are addicted to our money and will use any excuse, even stupid ones, to suck up more of our money.
Types deletes,
wish I were in congress so I could have the privilege of caning.
Posted by: simplemind at December 04, 2018 03:28 PM (MZY0t)
Nope.
That carbon tax is going to go straight into the cost of good and services produced, thus the person really getting taxed is the product's consumer. The little guy. You and I.
If this is true: "Annually, the Treasury Department 'would return 100 percent of the net revenue back to the American people.'" Then this whole exercise is a zero sum game and a waste of everyone's time. And implementing such a policy is impossible to implement fairly, and thus will turn into just another redistribution scheme. F*ck these guys. Time for the Pres to hit 'em with the MAGA hammer. Again.
Posted by: Shinjinrui at December 04, 2018 03:28 PM (h5hE3)
Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (0OmEj)
........
They might have a couple seconds of enlightenment, say if they were hanging from an overpass or something.
Posted by: wth at December 04, 2018 03:28 PM (HgMAr)
College student faces hate crime charges for racist graffiti.
And the dud is black!
https://tinyurl.com/y9w28ao6
Sorry...but had to share.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 04, 2018 03:28 PM (cqNba)
Posted by: m at December 04, 2018 03:28 PM (GkIz4)
Posted by: Someguy at December 04, 2018 03:29 PM (t849v)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 03:29 PM (mpXpK)
Amazing that the elites are able to possibly subvert that, but shouldn't be surprised
Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2018 03:29 PM (UfkIY)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 04, 2018 03:29 PM (cqNba)
In other words, a huge income redistribution scheme.
You make more than $100,000 a year? You get nothing back from the carbon tax rebate.
Other the other hand, poor and minority neighborhoods, who suffer more than anyone else from global warming, should get billions in tax rebates.
Posted by: The ARC of History at December 04, 2018 03:29 PM (TEv5V)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 04, 2018 03:25 PM (cqNba)
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I can live with the lottery. It gets a lot of people who ordinarily are net tax recipients to voluntarily pay the math challenged tax.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 04, 2018 03:29 PM (ffYR/)
People will still need to get from point a to point b, so they will not consume less fossil fuels. These measures will just gratuitously punish them for that by driving up costs, without accomplishing any reduction in carbon "pollution".
The left simply thinks that the American people can simply absorb more of this parasitism in the same way that it can absorb more terrorist attacks.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 04, 2018 03:29 PM (/qEW2)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 04, 2018 03:29 PM (OLCnA)
Posted by: illiniwek at December 04, 2018 03:29 PM (Cus5s)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur
This is an excellent comment.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 04, 2018 03:30 PM (O033+)
They are evil but they ain't stupid.
We will never see sub $2.00 gas in NJ.
And a mighty fuck you to Chris Christie for that you fucking asshole piece of shit.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (2JcMg)
I used to go out of my way to fill up in NJ when I was in the area.
Now, it's no longer cheaper than NY, so...
idk, I'd be curious to see if this new tax raises as much money as the NJ taxpayers were told it would.
I suspect a lot of people who regularly drive the east cost in both cars and diesel trucks used to stop in NJ to refuel. Now that there's no cost benefit to doing it, and you still have the detriment of not being able to pump your own fucking gas... idk if it's enough to really make a difference, but I'd be curious.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:30 PM (GBteo)
Carbon dioxide is not pollution ya fargin idiots.
Posted by: Bonecrusher at December 04, 2018 03:30 PM (JNTt1)
"Annually, the Treasury Department 'would return 100 percent of the net revenue back to the American people."
But not to the American people who paid the tax.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 03:30 PM (BWL+E)
Clarified for truthiness.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 04, 2018 03:30 PM (Z4rgH)
The state of Washington proposed a $15 per metric ton of CO2e with an annual $2/year increase. It got shot down.
Posted by: aelfheld at December 04, 2018 03:30 PM (IxDhF)
SecDef Matis says, "40 years in Afghanistan is enough."
Or was it the story about Conservatives in Congress suddenly demanding funding for a border wall now that the democrats will control the House for the next two years.
These news stories all blur together after awhile and start looking all alike since there doesn't seem to be anything that can be done about it.
Posted by: Schuyler Saxon Rides a Pale Horse at December 04, 2018 03:30 PM (hrcfq)
Hopefully the Senate will make short work of killing this crap, before it gets to Trump's veto pen..
Posted by: Leonard Pinth-Garnell at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (7A6l6)
It will never make it to the senate unless they hold it for the next congress.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 03:30 PM (mpXpK)
So that'd be great.
Wait, that's about $7.95?
Heh
Posted by: Anon a mouse
$7.95 a hundred head.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:30 PM (c3AZU)
What does that look like in practice? Do I get a check in the mail, or...
And why are we using the word "net" here? What expenses are we anticipating?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
Projected expenses:
-- Backyard Jacuzzis for crony-socialist millionaires
-- Central American hookers for crooked Dem politicians
-- Private jets for virtue-signalling celebrities
Posted by: zombie at December 04, 2018 03:30 PM (c+2jX)
It's a win-win-win.
Posted by: ro-man at December 04, 2018 03:31 PM (RuIsu)
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at December 04, 2018 03:31 PM (hjaPQ)
Well... except for the thousands of new Government employees you would need to run this program.
Posted by: Don Q at December 04, 2018 03:31 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 03:31 PM (bQtop)
Posted by: dananjcon at December 04, 2018 03:31 PM (xqfqx)
They are like the idiots at the turn of the 19th century saying that we need to do something about all the horseshit in the streets or we will all die.
In 50 or 100 years we will not be burning fossil fuels.
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at December 04, 2018 03:31 PM (LWu6U)
Up in the Mitten Kingdom (Michigan to the unwashed) it was $2.03.9 on the highway, and up to $2.49.9 in the Detroit suburbs.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at December 04, 2018 03:28 PM (vcOmj)
Meh, us useless sheep here are paying that per Litre. Admittedly that is in our play money but still. Multiply 3.7 x $2.49 equals $9.21 per gallon.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at December 04, 2018 03:31 PM (bgJ0E)
Posted by: Sharkman at December 04, 2018 03:32 PM (O033+)
Posted by: tu3031 at December 04, 2018 03:32 PM (sf1AO)
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 03:32 PM (NWiLs)
Talk about fiat currency, now it's fiat resources.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:32 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2018 03:32 PM (ffWPP)
In 50 or 100 years we will not be burning fossil fuels.
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest
"Not so fast..." - Future Hawaiian Judges
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 03:33 PM (BWL+E)
After all, talk is cheap.
If you actually double their electrical bill, you'll get a different response.
Posted by: The ARC of History
__________
I just know they tried it here in my state with solar, Tom Steyer pumped a lot of money into it, and it went down in flames.
Same in Washington state.
People don't like taxes that they will have to pay, a smart GOP would exploit the hell out of that.
Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2018 03:33 PM (UfkIY)
There is more production coming on in the Permian Basin (West Texas) and several pipelines that will be completed shortly, which will allow the transport of oil, and then the new wells will come on line.
But no, let's tax gasoline and nat gas, and give a little hand job to the Russians and OPEC.
Smart. Really smart.
Posted by: Bozo Conservative....lost in America at December 04, 2018 03:33 PM (vcOmj)
Posted by: m at December 04, 2018 03:28 PM
I doubt those idiots on The Hill would even get the joke, but if I had the money I'd send them 535 yellow jackets. The optics would be great.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 03:33 PM (0tfLf)
More importantly, will I be taxed on methane emissions?
I'm calling rayciss, and will call my friendly La Raza representative.
Posted by: Miklos, entreprenur at December 04, 2018 03:33 PM (zCyNd)
Posted by: illiniwek at December 04, 2018 03:29 PM (Cus5s)
++++
We just need more third-world "sparks" to sign in on the welfare wagon. That'll fix it up real good.
Posted by: washrivergal at December 04, 2018 03:33 PM (rE1pK)
What's the point of taxing people if you are just going to give the money back? Makes no sense.
Raise taxes/price to discourage consumption then give people money back they can use to pay the higher price!
What's the fricken point?
Posted by: Schuyler Saxon Rides a Pale Horse at December 04, 2018 03:34 PM (hrcfq)
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 04, 2018 03:26 PM (imow9)
Well, we wanted to stop them but were called nativists.
Posted by: The Know Nothings at December 04, 2018 03:34 PM (J70i0)
Posted by: x at December 04, 2018 03:34 PM (nFwvY)
IF company A wants to sell carbon credits, what incentive to they have to make an accurate assessment of their actual output?
NONE. They are incentivized to lie like motherfuckers.
Company B, purchaser of the credits, doesn't care either. The credit is still a credit no matter how fraudulent it is because the whole affair is an exercise in fairy dust and unicorn farts.
It's fraud made international law. This can't but end in disaster.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 04, 2018 03:34 PM (7TCRf)
"Hey you there! Turn off your A/C and/or turn down your heat to 60F in your house. Stop driving. Stop eating meat. Stop (insert whatever here). Now give us more of your money."
::drives off in enormous Cadillac, takes private jet back to 10,000 square foot mansion::
I don't know about you, but I'm not really feeling this. And looking at France's reaction to the latest tax increase, I'm beginning to wonder when (not if) the burning times will finally come to these shores.
Posted by: physics geek at December 04, 2018 03:34 PM (huQJB)
What's the point of taxing people if you are just going to give the money back? Makes no sense.
Raise taxes/price to discourage consumption then give people money back they can use to pay the higher price!
What's the fricken point?
Posted by: Schuyler Saxon Rides a Pale Horse
Control of the serfs.
Posted by: zombie at December 04, 2018 03:34 PM (c+2jX)
Well... except for the thousands of new Government employees you would need to run this program.
Posted by: Don Q at December 04, 2018 03:31 PM (NgKpN)
Its like how much extra money, and how many personnel, are needed to collect taxes on the Military?
You know, so they can pay themselves? /facepalm
Posted by: Don Q at December 04, 2018 03:34 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 03:35 PM (6qErC)
158 Pelosi is coming to town, and she demands more tax revenue from the hicks ... markets respond, DOW down 750.
Posted by: illiniwek at December 04, 2018 03:29 PM (Cus5s)
Day started out okay - gee, I wonder what happened.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:35 PM (37IEG)
It only lasts 20 to 25 years assuming it doesn't catch fire, only delivers power when the winds blow, and kills thousands of birds.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 04, 2018 03:35 PM (CPchy)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:35 PM (c3AZU)
Posted by: Chris at December 04, 2018 03:35 PM (ctuyM)
Posted by: Schuyler Saxon Rides a Pale Horse at December 04, 2018 03:34 PM (hrcfq)
Their pathetic Millennial offspring need gov't jobs that fulfill them. They can siphon off administrative costs for them to do jobs like "lead carbon counselor."
Posted by: WOPR at December 04, 2018 03:36 PM (J70i0)
Posted by: Tony Wiener at December 04, 2018 03:36 PM (MrLnm)
Posted by: Surfperch at December 04, 2018 03:36 PM (tYPH9)
Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2018 03:36 PM (ffWPP)
But not to the American people who paid the tax.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 03:30 PM
CENTRAL American
SOUTH American
They get your money.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 03:36 PM (0tfLf)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Moar Global Warming! at December 04, 2018 03:36 PM (LISuA)
What's the point of taxing people if you are just going to give the money back? Makes no sense.
Raise taxes/price to discourage consumption then give people money back they can use to pay the higher price!
What's the fricken point?
Posted by: Schuyler Saxon Rides a Pale Horse at December 04, 2018 03:34 PM (hrcfq)
The point is where the money goes before it comes back to you, considerably less than it was when you paid it.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:36 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:36 PM (2LelM)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead
I see a money making idea there!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (aKsyK)
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$5.00 at Ikea. Start stocking up.
Posted by: Hoplite Housewife at December 04, 2018 03:36 PM (XXNQ+)
What's the point of taxing people if you are just going to give the money back? Makes no sense.
Raise taxes/price to discourage consumption then give people money back they can use to pay the higher price!
What's the fricken point?
Posted by: Schuyler Saxon Rides a Pale Horse
Control of the serfs.
Posted by: zombie at December 04, 2018 03:34 PM (c+2jX)
Graft. Baksheesh. Skimming.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 03:36 PM (NWiLs)
They are like the idiots at the turn of the 19th century saying that we need to do something about all the horseshit in the streets or we will all die.
In 50 or 100 years we will not be burning fossil fuels.
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at December 04, 2018 03:31 PM (LWu6U)
I tend to agree.
I think electric engines probably *are* the future. But battery technology needs to get better, and we need to get less stupid about power generation (which probably means going full-France and building a fuckton of nuclear power plants then *gasp* recycling nuclear waste to use it more efficiently).
But who knows? Only time will tell.
Maybe some other kind of engine will be invented that does a way better job.
And here's something that drives me nuts about the left -- here in New England, we burn a lottt of heating oil to heat our houses. Why? Because electricity is expensive AF.
If we had more nuclear power plants and had cheap, plentiful electricity, we could cut out a whole lot of propane / natural gas and oil burning throughout the country. That'd be good, right?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:37 PM (GBteo)
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2018 03:37 PM (d7Ww2)
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:37 PM (2LelM)
We should equip them with green solar electric motors so they turn when there's no wind!
Posted by: Little Lupe Occupied-Cervix at December 04, 2018 03:38 PM (MrLnm)
Based on who's accounting?
*morning thread reference
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 03:38 PM (6qErC)
Posted by: Sheryl Crow at December 04, 2018 03:38 PM (ctuyM)
Is any of that true? Are there numbers to back that up?
"We can both impose a carbon fee to help change the behavior of polluters while at the same time addressing the regulatory framework to provide some certainty for them," Deutch said.
And there it is.
It's a sin tax to nudge, nudge, nudge people into behaving like the want us to behave, and...moar government!!
Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2018 03:38 PM (W+vEI)
Posted by: Constantine XI at December 04, 2018 03:38 PM (yiAMj)
The century is young...
Posted by: Anon a mouse
Correctionn: "Biggest scam -- thus far."
The Left is endlessly capable of generating new scams, of course. Perhaps in 2060 they'll come up with a worse scam -- maybe "Castrate all male newborns, UNLESS you pay a Gender Inequality Tax" so your son can keep his as-yet undescended balls.
Posted by: zombie at December 04, 2018 03:38 PM (c+2jX)
Maybe some other kind of engine will be invented that does a way better job.
And here's something that drives me nuts about the left -- here in
New England, we burn a lottt of heating oil to heat our houses. Why?
Because electricity is expensive AF.
If we had more nuclear power plants and had cheap, plentiful
electricity, we could cut out a whole lot of propane / natural gas and
oil burning throughout the country. That'd be good, right?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:37 PM (GBteo)
Or maybe they'll accidentally figure out where our fuse is,
and light it.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:38 PM (37IEG)
S&H stamps.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 03:26 PM (BWL+E)
..........
Donation request.
Posted by: wth at December 04, 2018 03:38 PM (HgMAr)
It's already not bringing in the revenue they projected since they've already raised the tax an additional $0.04 since they passed the tax hike.
And the tax is based on "yearly" projections and if projections fall short, boom, here's another hike for you citizen.
And you know the projections are never going to be met so they now have a mechanism to get their hands on more of the tax payers money at will.
Fuckers.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 04, 2018 03:38 PM (2JcMg)
Posted by: free tibet at December 04, 2018 03:39 PM (U4PcL)
This was a very serious problem. But we DID do something about it. The internal combustion engine eliminated the need for horses. They were once vital to industry. They now play zero part in it, except for racing.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 04, 2018 03:39 PM (Z04f8)
Posted by: red speck at December 04, 2018 03:39 PM (6Krd7)
The century is young...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 03:35 PM (6qErC)
And all based on a lie, perpetuated by falsifying Data.
Actually though, this tax might give Standing to take this whole Global Warming Farce to court..
Discovery would be FUN!
Posted by: Don Q at December 04, 2018 03:39 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
____________
I honestly think if we did say invent cold fusion that actually worked, a perfect, cheap energy source that was 100% clean, it would piss off environmentalists to no end because this was never about the environment.
They just want to control 100% of commerce and our lives.
Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2018 03:39 PM (UfkIY)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:39 PM (bcbK8)
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (2LelM)
Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (bQtop)
IF company A wants to sell carbon credits, what incentive to they have to make an accurate assessment of their actual output?
NONE. They are incentivized to lie like motherfuckers.
Company B, purchaser of the credits, doesn't care either. The credit is still a credit no matter how fraudulent it is because the whole affair is an exercise in fairy dust and unicorn farts.
It's fraud made international law. This can't but end in disaster.
Posted by: weft cut-loop
And then the little pygmies in South America will sell their carbon credits and, not giving a shit, will continue with their wood fires.
And when people go in to stop them, the pygmies will shoot them full of arrows.
IOW, sellers that don't give a shit, (China, etc.), won't ever stop polluting.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (c3AZU)
Otherwise known as "bending the cost curve down" - just as they did (not) do with healthcare!!
Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (W+vEI)
Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (ffWPP)
You want your carbon tax money back? Here, fill out these forms. In quadruplicate. Have each page notarized. Return them in person to your local Carbon Tax Refund Office, which is open from 11:00 to 2:00 (closed 12-1) on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (BWL+E)
Posted by: Hoplite Housewife at December 04, 2018 03:36 PM
The fact that this was at Ikea just made me laugh.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (0tfLf)
Guess they do.
Posted by: Skip at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (/rm4P)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (AM1GF)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 04, 2018 03:13 PM
Amazon. It's now on my 'wish list' for $6.69. When I move it up into 'Add to Cart' shit's getting real.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0030AA3YK/
Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (e7O7B)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (37IEG)
What's the point of taxing people if you are just going to give the money back? Makes no sense.
Raise taxes/price to discourage consumption then give people money back they can use to pay the higher price!
What's the fricken point?
Posted by: Schuyler Saxon Rides a Pale Horse at December 04, 2018 03:34 PM (hrcfq)
'Administration Costs'
Posted by: Politician at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (jGvbj)
Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (ocutB)
Posted by: josephistan at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (7HtZB)
Yeah, about that... can't. Ever. We already know the various chemical combinations, and none have the energy density required.
Where's my Mr Fusion?
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (6qErC)
SOUTH American
They get your money Posted by: Diogenes
they might get a few dollars, like Clinton's Haiti Relief Fund ... lots of Marxist Middlemen have to be supported in the manner to which they've become accustomed ...
Posted by: illiniwek at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (Cus5s)
As opposed to what? stuffing it in their pockets?
By any rational definition, now matter how it is used it is going "back to the American people." Even if they only claim it is reducing other tax increases.
Unless they have some pencil neck standing at the gas pump handing me cash to compensate for the tax, they are taking it, and that's that.
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (LWu6U)
Posted by: free tibet at December 04, 2018 03:39 PM (U4PcL)
This is also relevant to my interests.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (bcbK8)
This was a very serious problem. But we DID do something about it. The internal combustion engine eliminated the need for horses. They were once vital to industry. They now play zero part in it, except for racing.
Posted by: Blue Hen
And anal-sex providers for Washington state perverts.
Posted by: zombie at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (c+2jX)
Posted by: Agent Cooper at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (8tNRg)
No new nuclear power plants (we're all going to die!!!).
No new hydroelectric power plants (poor fish can't make it upstream.)
Make coal so expensive it's uneconomic.
No new pipelines to transport natural gas.
....???
Okay, so... now what?
And honestly, I'm super fuel efficient -- heat never goes above 62, I drive a car that gets nearly 40 mpg, and I turn the lights off as I leave the room.
But like... what's the plan here. Are poor people supposed to go back to living in pre-electricity days while only the rich can afford heat and lights?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (GBteo)
Posted by: free tibet at December 04, 2018 03:39 PM (U4PcL)
.........
yeah, and this thread could use some music.
Posted by: wth at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (a2vo1)
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (2LelM)
++
Notice they never make postcard pictures out of windmill farms. Has got to be one of the most depressing sights to see is miles and miles of these contraptions, half out of order.
Posted by: washrivergal at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (rE1pK)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (r+sAi)
I thought he lost his bid for re-election. No?
I'm not going to get my hair on fire over this - even if it makes it to PDJT it's DOA.
Posted by: DocJ at December 04, 2018 03:25 PM (NYS7S)
He won, by spending like a drunken sailor. Signs everywhere (I work in his district but live in another). Now the bills come due.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 04, 2018 03:42 PM (RD7QR)
What's the fricken point?
Posted by: Schuyler Saxon Rides"
Not everybody will get the same cut of the "net" revenue. It will be redistributed according to need.
And, BTW, you people with privilege don't have any needs.
Posted by: Ripley at December 04, 2018 03:42 PM (MxEKc)
Posted by: Ted Douche at December 04, 2018 03:42 PM (vtcmf)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:42 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM
What am I, chopped liver?
Posted by: Boof at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (ctuyM)
House dems and pubs that want the carbon tax have a death wish, after Paris.
Posted by: Alaska Paul at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (Hc+rA)
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A 91% reduction in carbon emissions by 2050? Gonna have to "reduce" the population of the US by about 300 MILLION to accomplish that.
That's a whole lot of soylent green.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (JUOKG)
Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (0tfLf)
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And they're already assembled. Unlike - say - shelving.
Posted by: Hoplite Housewife at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (XXNQ+)
We should equip them with green solar electric motors so they turn when there's no wind!
Posted by: Little Lupe Occupied-Cervix
We should require them to be built with no fossil fuel based lubricants.
If you want to talk green, let's talk green.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (c3AZU)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:42 PM (37IEG)
Drop a rock on them from orbit
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (bcbK8)
Notice they never make postcard pictures out of windmill farms. Has got to be one of the most depressing sights to see is miles and miles of these contraptions, half out of order.
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So you've been to Palm Springs?
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (2LelM)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (a2vo1)
Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2018 03:38 PM (W+vEI)
that and everything else in that report is an outrageous lie. Just remember, this report was written under Obama by Obamanites and is just now being released to embarrass Trump. Trump has already said the report was a POS.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (mpXpK)
But like... what's the plan here. Are poor
people supposed to go back to living in pre-electricity days while only
the rich can afford heat and lights?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (GBteo)
There may be power for you and your family in your hut on the Loopey Oscrazyo Cortex estate, if you're a good little dobee.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:44 PM (37IEG)
Where's my Mr Fusion?
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (6qErC)
We're reaching theoretical limits on current technology, but I have enough faith in humans to think it's very possible someone will invent a better way to store energy.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:44 PM (GBteo)
Posted by: josephistan at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (7HtZB)
==============
Yes, please. The Smithsonian dindonuffin!
Posted by: Jackal at December 04, 2018 03:44 PM (7FM2g)
Posted by: free tibet at December 04, 2018 03:39 PM (U4PcL)
https://tinyurl.com/yd4tj7fw
Posted by: Miklos, biznizman at December 04, 2018 03:44 PM (zCyNd)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
___________
For bureaucrats to control everything, that's the plan.
And the people that push the hardest for silly environmental laws and bankroll it have absolutely no intention of living like that. Using their private planes to pick up environmental awards, etc.
It's almost like mass transit, they want it so OTHER people will do it. But nobody is selling their car.
Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2018 03:44 PM (UfkIY)
Posted by: Tom Arnold at December 04, 2018 03:44 PM (Ydn2k)
Posted by: teej at December 04, 2018 03:44 PM (W8e/N)
that would put a price on carbon as a way to reduce pollution and curb
climate change. increase taxes and put more power into the hands of politicians."
How's my editing skill?
Posted by: David Prince at December 04, 2018 03:44 PM (JkygK)
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:44 PM (2LelM)
Guys, we exhale the shit they're talking about taxing.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM
What am I, chopped liver?
Posted by: Boof at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (ctuyM)
Obviously Congress critters actually inhale and exhale from both ends, my apologies.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:45 PM (37IEG)
This shit won t help Repubs in blue states, but it will hurt Repubs in red states. So fucking stupid.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (a2vo1)
This shit is going nowhere. It is pure propaganda only.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 03:45 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (GBteo)
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Unemployed people don't clog up commute traffic.
Posted by: Anchovy at December 04, 2018 03:45 PM (B3kya)
For when the light's out...
https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=hTWKbfoikeg
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:45 PM (bcbK8)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (37IEG) So they're going to tax us for breathing. I actually heard about such a scheme in California on the radio.
Posted by: Someguy at December 04, 2018 03:45 PM (t849v)
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (2LelM)
++
Notice they never make postcard pictures out of windmill farms. Has got to be one of the most depressing sights to see is miles and miles of these contraptions, half out of order.
Posted by: washrivergal at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (rE1pK)
Try Tilting, it REALLY pisses off the Greens.
Posted by: Don Quixote, at December 04, 2018 03:45 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Little Lupe Occupied-Cervix at December 04, 2018 03:45 PM (MrLnm)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:45 PM (bcbK8)
_______________
You can order one from Amazon for about $8.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 04, 2018 03:45 PM (fqUgw)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM
What am I, chopped liver?
Posted by: Boof
If they start taxing boof, I'm fucked.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (c3AZU)
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (2LelM)
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Notice they never make postcard pictures out of windmill farms. Has got to be one of the most depressing sights to see is miles and miles of these contraptions, half out of order.
Posted by: washrivergal
It's even more depressing than you realize. When you see all those unmoving windmills on holwing windy days, it's not because they are "broken" -- it because it actually costs more to run them than they produce in profits. The upkeep and maintenance and insurance etc. cancel out any revenue. Therefore, to save money, the operators lock them down. SO insane, so depressing.
Posted by: zombie at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (c+2jX)
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (BMw+g)
If you want to talk green, let's talk green.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (c3AZU)
Most wind turbine units use 150-300 liters of lube oil.
Posted by: Miklos, former renewables economist at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (zCyNd)
255 Now if only we could mine that un-obtanium those blue people have under their damned sacred trees.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:42 PM (37IEG)
Drop a rock on them from orbit
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (bcbK
From what I understand that really changes the climate.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: josephistan at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (7HtZB)
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Yes, please. The Smithsonian dindonuffin!
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The African American Museum would probably be improved by a riot.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (2LelM)
Posted by: Skip at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (/rm4P)
Posted by: Palp Pilled at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (rwVFm)
that would put a price on carbon as a way to reduce pollution and curb
climate change. increase taxes and put more power into the hands of politicians."
How's my editing skill?
Posted by: David Prince at December 04, 2018 03:44 PM (JkygK)
Well, you didn't show your work.
But accurate.
'B'
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (bcbK8)
So these fuckers have finally decided to declare they OWN the air over the country, and a new resource that can be legally taxed and marketed and pandered with is born.
Talk about fiat currency, now it's fiat resources.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:32 PM (37IEG)
Y'know, in some places in the US you can't collect the rain runoff from your own roof to store and use. Because according to the govt, rain water is a government-owned resource.
Same principle.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (veoSD)
I do love this prattle... ask the giraffes to define a "carbon emission", or define the values for "tons of carbon".
Feh. Not one could pass organic chemistry.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 03:47 PM (6qErC)
Sancho misheard what I was yelling as I was tilting at the windmill...
I was yelling 'its a Giant HOAX'...
Posted by: Don Quixote, at December 04, 2018 03:47 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 03:47 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 03:47 PM (bQtop)
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I met that chick.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:47 PM (2LelM)
255 Now if only we could mine that un-obtanium those blue people have under their damned sacred trees.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:42 PM (37IEG)
Drop a rock on them from orbit
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (bcbK
From what I understand that really changes the climate.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (37IEG)
And THEN we land and offer to help them rebuild, in return for some weird rocks they don't even use...
It's like James Cameron didn't even think this through!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:47 PM (bcbK8)
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (2LelM)
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Yes. You're driving down the highway and then all of a sudden they're there. The horror of it all just hits you and then sends you into instant state of unrelenting depression.
Posted by: washrivergal at December 04, 2018 03:47 PM (rE1pK)
Posted by: A Better Class of Troll at December 04, 2018 03:47 PM (nfE6n)
Posted by: Locness Monster at December 04, 2018 03:47 PM (GEhPL)
Posted by: garrett at December 04, 2018 03:48 PM (/NB++)
What's the price?
Posted by: Mark Andrew
Tree-fiddy
Posted by: Locness Monster at December 04, 2018 03:47 PM (GEhPL)
LOL
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:48 PM (bcbK8)
Same principle.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (veoSD)
Well then we should be able to sue the government for Water Damage to our property!
Posted by: Don Quixote, at December 04, 2018 03:48 PM (NgKpN)
kind of like we're walking while they're talking
Posted by: SturmToddler at December 04, 2018 03:48 PM (8D42x)
Posted by: zombie at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (c+2jX)
Wind farm operators are often ordered to shut down because output can unbalance the grid.
Posted by: Miklos, former renewables economist at December 04, 2018 03:48 PM (zCyNd)
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 04, 2018 03:48 PM (UsCnO)
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (2LelM)
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Notice they never make postcard pictures out of windmill farms. Has got to be one of the most depressing sights to see is miles and miles of these contraptions, half out of order.
Posted by: washrivergal
It's even more depressing than you realize. When you see all those unmoving windmills on holwing windy days, it's not because they are "broken" -- it because it actually costs more to run them than they produce in profits. The upkeep and maintenance and insurance etc. cancel out any revenue. Therefore, to save money, the operators lock them down. SO insane, so depressing.
Posted by: zombie
not to mention all the birds, raptors, eagles and bats that get killed every year. it is a veritable bird o cide
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2018 03:48 PM (d7Ww2)
I know, right?
They want us all living in "micro housing" in the cities, walking/biking/public transportation to travel, eating vegan local (you know, car fart kill!), etc.. Really.
Maybe if we spread word that this means a 91% reduction in your smartphone use, in your social media it might dawn on hipster millennial eco-twits this is an preposterous goal/promise?
Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2018 03:48 PM (W+vEI)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (bcbK
From what I understand that really changes the climate.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (37IEG)
And THEN we land and offer to help them rebuild, in return for some weird rocks they don't even use...
It's like James Cameron didn't even think this through!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards,
Or drop three, wait a month and start digging.
Posted by: Smurfs must die at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (Z04f8)
Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (bQtop)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (a2vo1)
This shit is going nowhere. It is pure propaganda only.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 03:45 PM (mpXpK)
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This, and they know it. It will not even pass in the House, much less the Senate.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (ffYR/)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM
Us, too.
Posted by: The Happy Cows of California at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (ctuyM)
that would put a price on carbon as a way to reduce pollution and curb climate change.
More accurate:
A group of Democrats have teamed up to spew vomit all over the press. Only two of them have "R"s after their names.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (a2vo1)
Posted by: illiniwek at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (Cus5s)
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You can order one from Amazon for about $8.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 04, 2018 03:45 PM
$6.69 -- I posted a link above. Prime members can get it delivered before the weekend.
I'd love to see it suddenly become 'Out of Stock' overnight. A shot across the bow to the left who think, 'It can't happen here!!!!'
Oh yes it can. If the Frogs are getting jumpy, we should be even jumpier.
Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (e7O7B)
Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (ffWPP)
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (2LelM)
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Yes. You're driving down the highway and then all of a sudden they're there. The horror of it all just hits you and then sends you into instant state of unrelenting depression.
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Yes to everything you've said, but the big takeaway is that less than 10% of them are working. They do make a nice contrast to the Yucca Trees though.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (2LelM)
Yep. If someone isn't making toast when the wind blows, all that unused energy can really wreak havoc on the system.
Posted by: garrett at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (/NB++)
BTW what is in the Air Space museum would you like to own? Maybe something like John Glenn's space helmet to put on your shelf?
Posted by: Skip at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (/rm4P)
If you want to check my math, I used a C:H ratio of 1.87 for gasoline (Heywood IC engine text) and a specific gravity of .75 kg/liter (in honor of the French, also Heywood) then I tacked on a 4% CO2 addition for the refining of the gasoline (Wang et al from ANL) and there you have it.
Posted by: Steve #2 at December 04, 2018 03:50 PM (LSJmV)
Posted by: American at December 04, 2018 03:50 PM (EiMfo)
The truly grand thing is that you just know that with the passage of time there is no point at which the Global Warming crowd will say, "Hey, maybe we were wrong?"
(see also: socialists, with about a 99.95% overlap)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 03:50 PM (BWL+E)
and profit on all that molten lava for power? Are we afraid we will
discover the aliens living within us?
Posted by: Puddin Head
Because Iceland might tip over.
Posted by: Roland THTG at December 04, 2018 03:50 PM (88+cf)
Indeed, I do.
Same as the fine for killing a Heron.
Posted by: garrett at December 04, 2018 03:50 PM (/NB++)
237 Guys, we exhale the shit they're talking about taxing.
Posted
by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:40 PM (37IEG) So they're going
to tax us for breathing. I actually heard about such a scheme in
California on the radio.
Posted by: Someguy at December 04, 2018 03:45 PM (t849v)
Co2 is one of those nazi gases, so. What pisses me off most is them declaring it's THEIRS TO TAX!
So do we have it all yet?
Heat and light generation taxes, check,
Water taxes (drinking, bathing, etc) check,
Food taxes, check
Land taxes, check
Housing taxes, check
Travel taxes, checkClothing taxes, check
Exhalation tax, well not quite yet, but we're working on it!
Posted by: Congress of the United States at December 04, 2018 03:51 PM (37IEG)
There ain't no free lunch. Equations have to balance.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 03:51 PM (6qErC)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM
Us, too.
Posted by: The Happy Cows of California at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (ctuyM)
They should tax...thingy.
That'll hit 'em where they live.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:51 PM (bcbK8)
Native Americans cant get eagle feathers, by law. But wind farms can kill them by the hundred's without a fine.
Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 03:47 PM (bQtop)
Not true. Native Americans are allowed to harvest so many eagles per year. Mostly they find eagles that have died or been killed by natural causes.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 03:51 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:51 PM (2LelM)
Posted by: Miklos, former renewables economist at December 04, 2018 03:48 PM (zCyNd)
Right. Solar and wind are always going to be problematic in that sense since the grid needs to produce electricity to match demand. Which means a constant and predictable amount of energy needs to be produced. Which means being able to spin up extra turbines at peak demand time, and taking some off line during lulls in demand.
The sun and wind aren't so kind as to coordinate themselves with our peaks and valleys of electrical usage.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:52 PM (GBteo)
They want us all living in "micro housing" in the cities
"They" are the same ones who protest the conditions at industrial poultry farms.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 03:52 PM (BWL+E)
The operation of wind turbines creates a localized field the encourages the formation of ground-to-cloud lightning, for which there is no effective protection.
About 10% of wind turbines in Europe are damaged by lightning each year, with an average repair cost of more than $200,000 each.
Posted by: Miklos, former renewables economist at December 04, 2018 03:52 PM (zCyNd)
Posted by: garrett at December 04, 2018 03:53 PM (/NB++)
The truly grand thing is that you just know that with the passage of
time there is no point at which the Global Warming crowd will say,
"Hey, maybe we were wrong?"
(see also: socialists, with about a 99.95% overlap)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 03:50 PM (BWL+E)
They'll just shift the reason you need to keep funding them in whatever they want to do. At no point will you hear words that even remotely imply they were incorrect.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:53 PM (37IEG)
"What if a small group of world leaders were to conclude that the principal risk to the Earth comes from the actions of the rich countries? And if the world is to survive, those rich countries would have to sign an agreement reducing their impact on the environment. Will they do it? The group's conclusion is "no." The rich countries won't do it. They won't change. So, in order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that about? This group of world leaders form a secret society to bring about an economic collapse."
pg. 11. Environmental Overkill: Whatever Happened to Common Sense? Dixie Lee Ray and Lou Guzzo. Regnery Gateway. 1993.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 04, 2018 03:53 PM (CPchy)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (bcbK
From what I understand that really changes the climate.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (37IEG)
And THEN we land and offer to help them rebuild, in return for some weird rocks they don't even use...
It's like James Cameron didn't even think this through!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards,
Or drop three, wait a month and start digging.
Posted by: Smurfs must die at December 04, 2018 03:49 PM (Z04f
I like where your head is at.
Done and done, three rocks it is.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:53 PM (bcbK8)
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2018 03:48 PM (d7Ww2)
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Much like solar farms, which conveniently cook them for you as they fall.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 04, 2018 03:53 PM (ffYR/)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 04, 2018 03:53 PM (a2vo1)
Posted by: Bill R. at December 04, 2018 03:54 PM (IuYIh)
Carbon in atmosphere:
https://www.nasa.gov/jpl/oco2/pia18934/
Notice anything?
I saw this years ago, and went to look for it again recently. Google has it buried and Nasa stopped updating it. wonder why,,,,
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at December 04, 2018 03:54 PM (LWu6U)
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:51 PM (2LelM)
Hmmm...
How about a Carbon Tarif? If your country is generating too much carbon, like India and CHINA, there products get his with a Tarif.
Posted by: Don Quixote, at December 04, 2018 03:54 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: zombie at December 04, 2018 03:54 PM (c+2jX)
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:51 PM (2LelM)
Throw in Newark NJ and Philly, do it from outer space just to be sure.
Posted by: dananjcon at December 04, 2018 03:54 PM (xqfqx)
Posted by: Sumdumchief at December 04, 2018 03:54 PM (5ctK+)
So most of the ones not turning are just broken, or they let them free wheel.
Posted by: Roland THTG at December 04, 2018 03:54 PM (88+cf)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 04, 2018 03:54 PM (+y/Ru)
Posted by: Someguy at December 04, 2018 03:54 PM (t849v)
are we talking about Victoria Principal, again?
Posted by: garrett at December 04, 2018 03:53 PM (/NB++)
She makes me peak.
Like a Joy Division album cover
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:55 PM (bcbK8)
................
In my best Foghorn Leghorn voice:
Well, now.. lessee here..
We gotta first account for accounting costs.. that's gonna be about 20% of those so-called profits..
Then.. hmm.. yes.. we gots to put away some in the rainy day fund.. about 25% I reckon'..
Now.. since all the po folk are gonna be hit hard by this tax, we gots to give some back to those folks first.. so, let's say 'bout 45% go to po folks.. who can argue with that?
Now... there we go.. the rest is "net"! All goes back to the American peoples!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 04, 2018 03:55 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 04, 2018 03:55 PM (CPchy)
If a cheap, clean, abundant energy source were to become feasible in industrialized countries, the same GW crowd would be the first ones to oppose it.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 03:55 PM (BWL+E)
Which is why they're working so hard to reduce demand. If we'd just stop our frivolous use of power, and work in the fields, as God intended, by the sweat of our brow and the dirt under our fingernails, we wouldn't need all this carbon producing technology!
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:55 PM (37IEG)
They are fools, or think we are, or both.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 04, 2018 03:56 PM (yUvkN)
Posted by: Bill R. at December 04, 2018 03:54 PM (IuYIh)
They don't understand the FRENCH revolution, let alone ours.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:56 PM (bcbK8)
Notice anything?
I saw this years ago, and went to look for it again recently. Google has it buried and Nasa stopped updating it. wonder why,,,,
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at December 04, 2018 03:54 PM (LWu6U)
Interesting, in the US it concentrates over areas controlled by Democrats.
Coincidence? or is it all the hot air they spew?
Posted by: Don Quixote, at December 04, 2018 03:56 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Steve #2 at December 04, 2018 03:50 PM (LSJmV)
............
That made my hippocampus hurt.
Posted by: wth at December 04, 2018 03:56 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: Jaimo at December 04, 2018 03:56 PM (/Kt3K)
Posted by: mc at December 04, 2018 03:56 PM (l1TIo)
Exposes the lie. As manufacturing becomes more and more efficient, the volume of waste/ unused materials decreases.
But the issue isn't waste. It's control.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 03:56 PM (6qErC)
If a cheap, clean, abundant energy source were to become feasible in industrialized countries, the same GW crowd would be the first ones to oppose it.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 03:55 PM (BWL+E)
Oh, we already invented that and they already do oppose it.
Nuclear energy should be cheap and plentiful, but the left has spent 50 years doing everything they can to drive up the cost of it and limit its use in the US.
Interestingly, something like 75% of the electricity generated in France is from nuclear power.
And instead of piling up nuclear waste indefinitely, they refine and reuse it.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:57 PM (GBteo)
Okay, Paris is burning. Europe is a gun-free zone. Do they not understand what started the first American Revolution?
Posted by: Bill R. at December 04, 2018 03:54 PM (IuYIh)
Is there a ship in Boston Harbor owned by the British East India Carbon company?
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:57 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 04, 2018 03:55 PM (CPchy)
And Alita looks so creepy. Anime proportions only work with animated toons.
Uncanny valleys* all over the place
*(And no, that's not a reference to Victoria Principal or Anne Hathaway)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:57 PM (bcbK8)
And yes I know Spartacus is likely not interested in Loopy.
Posted by: Northernlurker being f'n insufferable at December 04, 2018 03:57 PM (MkcN1)
Now they want us to pay tithes to their Church.
This Earth Worship violates the Establishment Clause and is a direct violation of Romans 1 and two of the Ten Commandments.
Religious Persecution !
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 04, 2018 03:57 PM (boNFp)
Exposes the lie. As manufacturing becomes more and more efficient, the volume of waste/ unused materials decreases.
But the issue isn't waste. It's control.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 03:56 PM (6qErC)
Just like in The Matrix
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 03:57 PM (bcbK8)
the rain runoff from your own roof to store and use. Because according
to the govt, rain water is a government-owned resource.
Same principle.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM
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And you can be fined by the EPA if you "alter" the rainfall runoff from your property. That hidden gem cost me and extra $4K for multiple underground storage tanks when I had drainage work done on my backyard in Kentucky.
I was thinking they could just divert the pooling rain water to run out to the street, but no.....
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 04, 2018 03:58 PM (JUOKG)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:58 PM (37IEG)
much of the vast productivity and innovation has been confiscated by the corrupt grifters and banksters. If we had a fair system we'd all be working less with full health care ... instead the globalists leveraged/controlled markets and became 'trillionaires' ... and innovation is used to subjugate the masses. (FB/GOOG and all the spyware, lawfare, 2Big2Fail/Jail crooks running the show ...)
Then Along Came Trump ... but is it enough to stop them? Might need more yellow vests ... and bullets.
Posted by: illiniwek at December 04, 2018 03:59 PM (Cus5s)
There ain't no free lunch. Equations have to balance.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 03:51 PM (6qErC)
Like, why can't we just pass a law to make them store more energy?
Posted by: Loopy Occasional-Cortex at December 04, 2018 03:59 PM (7HtZB)
Posted by: Jaimo at December 04, 2018 03:56 PM (/Kt3K)
Oh, but I'm sure they'll lower the gas tax once they put in tolls, since their excuse for having such a ridiculously high gas tax was "well, we need infrastructure money and don't have any tolls."
Just kidding, they won't.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:59 PM (GBteo)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 04, 2018 03:59 PM (a2vo1)
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That's tedious. Lets blow them up and redevelop what's left into condos and shopping malls.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 03:59 PM (2LelM)
Ooookayyy!!!
Posted by: Kreplach at December 04, 2018 03:59 PM (2JcMg)
Posted by: Skip at December 04, 2018 03:59 PM (/rm4P)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
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They already did. It's called nuclear power.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 04, 2018 03:59 PM (so+oy)
Not the illegal future voters coming over the border. NO. They are compliant to their superiors, that is, us. YOU need to learn, you rubes.
We are forcing a tax that is a scam and based upon over 20 years of government-funded junk science. You rubes have no choice. None.
WE HATE YOU! And now, since we know even Trump cannot get rid of our fellow Deep State Democrats who run this country and decide who is breaking a law and who can get away with breaking laws, our "electorate division" will now be making new laws to screw you, bit by bit, forever!
Oh, and did we say it, STFU!
Posted by: Democrats at December 04, 2018 03:59 PM (UsCnO)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:57 PM (GBteo)
And why don't we do that here?
Oh, a Law signed by Jimmy Carter... one that could have easily been overturned while we held both houses of Congress and the Presidency...
But... no...
Posted by: Don Quixote, at December 04, 2018 04:00 PM (NgKpN)
100 percent true.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 04:00 PM (6qErC)
the rain runoff from your own roof to store and use. Because according
to the govt, rain water is a government-owned resource.
If it's their fucking water, they can come fix my damn roof!
Posted by: Roland THTG at December 04, 2018 04:00 PM (88+cf)
Posted by: Qoheleth at December 04, 2018 04:00 PM (iIzG7)
Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 04:00 PM (OXTgr)
Posted by: illiniwek at December 04, 2018 03:59 PM (Cus5s) Yeah, let them wear the Yellow Vests, I'm wearing Flektarn.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 04:00 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 04:00 PM (bcbK8)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 04, 2018 04:01 PM (a2vo1)
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 04, 2018 04:01 PM (CPchy)
There ain't no free lunch. Equations have to balance.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 03:51 PM (6qErC)
Like, why can't we just pass a law to make them store more energy?
Posted by: Loopy Occasional-Cortex at December 04, 2018 03:59 PM (7HtZB)
Just because the technology does not exist, it does not mean you don't have to follow the law.
Posted by: Calif Supreme Court at December 04, 2018 04:01 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Skip at December 04, 2018 04:01 PM (/rm4P)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:58 PM
I've read something recently... and forgive me for not 'drilling down' and doing proper research to give an opinion to the validity of the claim... but the claim was that the 'middle class' in India is now larger then the population of the United States of America.
Not sure if 'indoor plumbing' is part of that equation.
Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex at December 04, 2018 04:01 PM (e7O7B)
But... no...
Posted by: Don Quixote, at December 04, 2018 04:00 PM (NgKpN)
Is that where it came from? I assumed it was some obscure DoE rule that no one knows about.
We can't recycle the waste. We can't shove it in a mountain in Nevada... so instead it just sits in barrels at every nuclear plant in the country.
That's efficient.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 04:01 PM (GBteo)
Ooookayyy!!!
Posted by: Kreplach
.............
But since most of those people by then will be Guatemalan or Honduran in origin, they will be quite happy with using donkey carts and open fires for heat.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 04, 2018 04:02 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 04, 2018 04:02 PM (aKsyK)
Posted by: Steve #2 at December 04, 2018 04:02 PM (LSJmV)
Except...I don't think they want us in the country; they hate "urban sprawl" and would prefer us in the cities where we can be better managed.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2018 04:02 PM (W+vEI)
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 04, 2018 04:01 PM (CPchy)
"That's what he does. That's all he does!"
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 04:02 PM (bcbK8)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM (beTd0)
"To boost the economy, I would tax all foreigners living abroad."
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 04:00 PM (bcbK
I recommend sucking their brains out with a straw, selling the widows, and going into South American Zinc.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM (37IEG)
I've actually had giraffes tell me that batteries are "limited", and that laws should demand "higher capacity"
I'm then told I'm rayciss and don't know science.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM (6qErC)
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM (CPchy)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 04:00 PM
And send the 101st Division to collect. OK...lets start in...oh...lets go with Guatemala.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM (0tfLf)
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM (d7Ww2)
Posted by: garrett at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM (/NB++)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM (BWL+E)
"To boost the economy, I would tax all foreigners living abroad."
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 04:00 PM (bcbK
I recommend sucking their brains out with a straw, selling the widows, and going into South American Zinc.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM (37IEG)
"I would cut off the more disreputable parts of the body and use the space for playing fields."
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 04:04 PM (bcbK8)
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 04, 2018 04:04 PM (beTd0)
C & H is bad juju to gas tanks.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 04:04 PM (c3AZU)
underground storage tanks when I had drainage work done on my backyard
in Kentucky. I was thinking they could just divert the pooling rain water to run out to the street, but no.....Posted by: The Great White Scotsman
that's a surprise, I thought it was only out West they did that. I built my pond five years ago, no questions asked. But to do a bigger one (10 acres) I would have needed engineering and fees .... $20K before even starting.
But slowing down the runoff is considered a good thing, rather than sending more topsoil down the muddy Mississippi. Anything your tanks could hold is just less going down the creeks ... it won't be getting pumped for irrigation or anything ... I'd think. EPA is doing harm ... but of course they are.
Posted by: illiniwek at December 04, 2018 04:04 PM (Cus5s)
It's not a Federal Holiday.
Posted by: garrett at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM (/NB++)
Dead Bush day, no federal workers working.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 04:04 PM (bcbK8)
Except...I don't think they want us in the
country; they hate "urban sprawl" and would prefer us in the cities
where we can be better managed.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2018 04:02 PM (W+vEI)
Oh, at some point we'll become burdensome, and boring and something will have to be done with us.
Think of the entertainment at the QuarterQuell!
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 04:04 PM (37IEG)
and I still can't find a penis
Posted by: nurse ratched
It's easy to find a penis. What's not so easy is to find a decent nice man attached to the back end of the penis.
Posted by: zombie at December 04, 2018 04:05 PM (c+2jX)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:41 PM (GBteo)
_____
Our ruling caste betters will not be satisfied until we deplorable country caste folks are back living in caves, as cautioned a half-century ago by Ayn Rand in "Return of the Primitive" -- an expanded edition of "The New Left: The Anti-Industrial Revolution."
Posted by: ShainS -- Facial Scarring Survivor at December 04, 2018 04:05 PM (IFUWa)
Posted by: ProgBot 3000 at December 04, 2018 04:05 PM (uloIh)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 04, 2018 04:05 PM (4eutJ)
Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 04:05 PM (OXTgr)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 04:06 PM (6qErC)
Posted by: garrett at December 04, 2018 04:06 PM (/NB++)
It's not a Federal Holiday.
Posted by: garrett at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM (/NB++)
Trump shut down the Government in honor of Bush.
So Post Office is closed too.
Shut down the Gov.... kind of strange as Bush wouldn't do that...
Posted by: Calif Supreme Court at December 04, 2018 04:06 PM (NgKpN)
and I still can't find a penis
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM
I need to pay up on that beer I owe you.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 04:06 PM (0tfLf)
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 04:06 PM (2LelM)
can i start drinking yet?
and I still can't find a penis
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM (d7Ww2)
Dare I ask is there a relationship between those two things?
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 04:06 PM (37IEG)
--Your Betters
Posted by: Hikaru at December 04, 2018 04:06 PM (UnA8+)
and I still can't find a penis
Posted by: nurse ratched
It's easy to find a penis. What's not so easy is to find a decent nice man attached to the back end of the penis.
Posted by: zombie at December 04, 2018 04:05 PM (c+2jX)
Listen to your friend, Zombie.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 04:06 PM (bcbK8)
Depends on the color.
(Taxes)
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 04:07 PM (6qErC)
Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2018 04:07 PM (ffWPP)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM (BWL+E)
... That ran on water.
Posted by: DR.WTF? at December 04, 2018 04:07 PM (T71PA)
So Post Office is closed too.
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Liquor stores are still in business I hope?
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 04:07 PM (2LelM)
Posted by: Skip at December 04, 2018 04:07 PM (/rm4P)
and I still can't find a penis
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2018 04:03 PM
I need to pay up on that beer I owe you.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 04:06 PM (0tfLf)
https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=JHYIGy1dyd8
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 04:07 PM (bcbK8)
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 04, 2018 04:07 PM (CPchy)
The Post Office screams at the top of their lungs if you call them anything but an independent business.
Now they get another fucking day off to not do their jobs?
Posted by: garrett at December 04, 2018 04:07 PM (/NB++)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 04, 2018 04:08 PM (LPnfS)
Posted by: nurse ratched
.............
Have you tried under the bed?
Everything I lose ends up under the bed...
but, I never lost my penis.. (I could do a George Costanza shrinkage joke here.. but I won't!)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 04, 2018 04:08 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2018 04:08 PM (ffWPP)
Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 04:08 PM (0tfLf)
Noticed that too?
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 04, 2018 04:08 PM (6qErC)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 04:09 PM (bcbK8)
to be one of the most depressing sights to see is miles and miles of
these contraptions, half out of order.
Posted by: washrivergal
I have a good friend that works in that industry directly. He will tell you that people talk out of their a$$ about wind power like it's some kind of cure all. With the tech we have right now, it takes an enormous wind farm to equal one coal plant. You have to find a huge flat space large enough to build on that gets enough windy days during the year to make it feasible. Then you have to buy that land and get permits to build the farm on it. Which is whole issue in itself. Depending on where you are, some people don't like these wind farms too much. Then you have to build and operate and maintain all those fans, which is not a cheap endeavor. And you have to find people with the expertise to do all that efficiently, who don't work cheaply. Climbing those things to fix them is dangerous. (My friend has done this.)
Don't get me wrong. Wind is a great renewable source of power and we should use it wherever it's feasible to do so. It fits well as a power solution in many areas and situations. But not all, and it's just not the cure all for all power applications some greenies seem to think it is.
Posted by: Agent Cooper at December 04, 2018 04:09 PM (8tNRg)
"If you make less than $75K a year, you're unsightly and need to die.
So we're going to make sure you can't afford electricity."
--Your Betters
Posted by: Hikaru at December 04, 2018 04:06 PM (UnA8+)
Why is there no power? Where is the power?
and...I'm hungry! Where is the food?
Hello? Hello?
Someone answer me! I'm IMPORTANT!
Posted by: Your Betters at December 04, 2018 04:09 PM (37IEG)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 04, 2018 04:09 PM (KVMek)
Depends on the color.
(Taxes)
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Just put in a furnace that burns diesel and get it for half cost. Then pump it into your car and heat your house with gas. Every Midwest Farmer does this.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 04:09 PM (2LelM)
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 04, 2018 04:09 PM (UsCnO)
I've done the research.
You really just need something shaped like a penis.
Posted by: garrett at December 04, 2018 04:09 PM (/NB++)
There is no Republican party anymore. There's the fringe element, then leftist fucktards. Period.
Posted by: Sponge at December 04, 2018 04:09 PM (F4u7C)
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 04, 2018 04:09 PM (/qEW2)
Posted by: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Actual For Real Congresswoman at December 04, 2018 04:09 PM (uloIh)
Posted by: nurse ratched
.............
Have you tried under the bed?
Everything I lose ends up under the bed...
but, I never lost my penis.. (I could do a George Costanza shrinkage joke here.. but I won't!)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 04, 2018 04:08 PM (so+oy)
I hear some of them are....detachable.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 04:09 PM (bcbK8)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 04:10 PM (GBteo)
Posted by: Diogenes
LCD and Mark want in too.
and we decided it was dinner. steaks and wine
and some old port, you'll have to ask LCD
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2018 04:10 PM (d7Ww2)
The Post Office screams at the top of their lungs if you call them anything but an independent business.
Now they get another fucking day off to not do their jobs?
Posted by: garrett
...............
At one of the busiest weeks of the entire eff'n year!
And you know what?
I bet you dollars to donuts (which no longer makes sense really these days) that those SOB's will still be working tomorrow at double pay because they are working on an official "holiday"!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 04, 2018 04:10 PM (so+oy)
The freaky eyes need to go. Doc Ido needs the mark of Tiaphranes on his forehead. And Hugo needs to lose the hoverbike and the bad boy clothes for the street rat clothes.
And because Cameron waited for so long to bring this movie to the screen, now most will think Tiaphranes is a rip-off of Elysium.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 04, 2018 04:11 PM (CPchy)
Posted by: Big Al fredo at December 04, 2018 04:11 PM (iWo0u)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 03:58 PM
I've read something recently... and forgive me for not 'drilling down' and doing proper research to give an opinion to the validity of the claim... but the claim was that the 'middle class' in India is now larger then the population of the United States of America.
Not sure if 'indoor plumbing' is part of that equation.
Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex at December 04, 2018 04:01 PM (e7O7B)
"Middle class" is a relative measure. Middle class in India = lower class in the US.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 04, 2018 04:11 PM (RD7QR)
Remove space
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 04:09 PM
*******
Ahh...that works.
Well, I can help with the alcohol, but Mrs D frowns on sharing anything else. I think Bluebell sent her a custom shiv.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 04:11 PM (0tfLf)
Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 04:11 PM (OXTgr)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 04, 2018 04:11 PM (yUvkN)
become feasible in industrialized countries, the same GW crowd would be
the first ones to oppose it.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
..........
They already did. It's called nuclear power.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 04, 2018 03:59 PM
---
Don't forget me!
Posted by: Hydropower at December 04, 2018 04:12 PM (JUOKG)
Posted by: Diogenes
LCD and Mark want in too.
and we decided it was dinner. steaks and wine
and some old port, you'll have to ask LCD
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2018 04:10 PM
********
Ha! Let me know how it goes.
I'll be at the BJs in Southcenter drinking ales.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 04:12 PM (0tfLf)
Posted by: Sterling Archer at December 04, 2018 04:13 PM (rznWS)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 04, 2018 04:14 PM (4eutJ)
Interestingly, something like 75% of the electricity generated in France is from nuclear power.
And instead of piling up nuclear waste indefinitely, they refine and reuse it.
-----------------
IIRC, there's a tiny bit of it that can't be refined and reused, and it's stored underneath one of their touristy sites (can't remember which one off the top of my head). In the US, however, doing that is prohibited due to rules that were passed back during the Carter era.
Wasn't Germany largely nuclear as well, until just recently?
Posted by: junior at December 04, 2018 04:14 PM (Fp6vo)
Not here Vic, they have to get the feathers from the state, why would you let Indians harvest feathers on their own?
Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 04:00 PM (OXTgr)
since the feathers are on federal land why would they have to go to the State?
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 04:15 PM (mpXpK)
Exposes the lie. As manufacturing becomes more and more efficient, the volume of waste/ unused materials decreases.
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Part of it is also the shift to cheap, plentiful natural gas thanks to frakking.
Posted by: junior at December 04, 2018 04:16 PM (Fp6vo)
The Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act, passed in 1940, prohibits
"pursuing, shooting, shooting at, poisoning, wounding, killing
capturing, trapping, collecting, molesting, or disturbing" a bald or
golden eagle. It's is also illegal to "possess, sell, purchase,
barter, offer to sell, offer to purchase or barter, transport ... any
bald eagle... alive, dead, or any part, nest or egg thereof."
This means you can't take or even move any part of a bald eagle, not
even a feather already on the ground. A single violation could result in
up to one year in prison and a $5,000 fine.
Migratory Bird Treaty Act
In addition to bald and golden eagles, you could even get in trouble
for picking up a migratory bird's feather. The Migratory Bird Treaty Act
of 1918 also makes is illegal to kill, sell, buy, or possess
any part of an alive or dead migratory bird. This law pretty much
protects almost all birds except for house sparrows, starlings, and
pigeons.
Exception
Because of the religious and cultural significance of eagle feathers, the law makes an exception that allows members of federally recognized tribes to own eagle feathers. Eligible Native Americans must first get a permit to own and receive eagle feathers. The law allows Native Americans to wear, use, inherit, or even give feathers to other Native Americans. However, they cannot give the feathers to non-Native Americans.
So, if you ever see a bird feather, especially an eagle feather, leave it alone, unless you're a Native American.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 04:19 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Steve #2 at December 04, 2018 04:19 PM (LSJmV)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 04:21 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 04:24 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 04, 2018 04:34 PM (X9Eva)
What's the point of taxing people if you are just going to give the money back? Makes no sense.
=====
All money and production belongs to the state. If you are very good, they may 'rebate' some back to you.
Sounds absolutely nonsensical/snarky, but unfortunately true.
Posted by: mustbequantum at December 04, 2018 04:36 PM (MIKMs)
Their plan is to switch to Russian natural gas.
Smart.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 04, 2018 04:38 PM (yUvkN)
And they claim their end goal is to what?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 04, 2018 04:45 PM (1g7ch)
Posted by: Paladin at December 04, 2018 04:48 PM (xoLG3)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 04, 2018 04:49 PM (TpMXn)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 04, 2018 04:56 PM (TpMXn)
Posted by: Tamaa Bird 1000 Voices at December 04, 2018 05:07 PM (wGqjj)
405 shit, California already taxes people who move out of state, sometimes years after they move.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 04, 2018 04:56 PM (TpMXn)
KY tried that with a friend of mine who spent 5 years stationed in SC on a submarine. He listed KY as his home of record so he could get KY taxes and tags on his car. KY's taxes and insurance rates were much cheaper than SC. But then KY started dunning him for 5 years of back State taxes which he never paid. He ignored all their letters. Eventually they issued a bench warrant for his arrest. Bench Warrants are no good out of the State they are issued in. So all it did was make him liable to be arrested if he is ever stopped in KY for anything. I suspect CA would be the same way.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 04, 2018 05:08 PM (mpXpK)
Posted by: TX 32 orphan at December 04, 2018 05:31 PM (Wa5hI)
Posted by: Rachel Carson at December 04, 2018 05:43 PM (B9OsQ)
I also have a bridge in Arizona to sell.
Posted by: harleycowboy at December 04, 2018 07:40 PM (+9AX9)
Posted by: Lousy1 at December 04, 2018 08:13 PM (1wxON)
Posted by: Gridlock at December 04, 2018 09:28 PM (U0STj)
Oh, right: the Leftoids call it "carbon" because that makes it sound like they're taxing smoke and soot, not CO2.
And the Repubs fall right in line with the Leftoids' branding, like they always do.
Posted by: Beverly at December 05, 2018 01:50 AM (/WaIN)
Posted by: Case, gimme back my bullets at December 05, 2018 02:31 AM (XWvgx)
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