Francis: Gay Priests Should Leave the Clergy Rather Than Live a Double Life Within the Church

This statement says less than it may first appear to.

He's saying gay priests who are practicing homosexuality should depart the Church. But... that's hardly a new doctrine; the Catholic Church demands that priests be celibate, whether gay or straight.

He doesn't say celibate gay priests should depart; just the ones who are already breaking church law.

He does, however, acknowledge that the secular world's view of homosexuality as "fashionable" influences how it is viewed within the Church, which I think gets a little bit at the problem.

The problem is not that there are actively sexual gay priests in the Church but that there are a lot of actively sexual gay priests in the Church. One corrupt cop in your precinct is no big deal; he'll be found out and turned out.

But if a lot of cops in your precinct are corrupt, they're going to create a Secret System for concealing corruption and protecting their corrupt members.

And that's the problem facing the Church: there's a system in place to protect abusive priests.

Media agitation for gay rights, including inside the supposedly-celibate priesthood, complicates any efforts at reform.

But the real problem is that gay priests in the Church are not demanded to be celibate, only advised to be, and unless their sex life becomes notorious, they'll be shuffled around and protected.

Men with deep-rooted homosexual tendencies should not be admitted to the Catholic clergy, and priests who are gay should be celibate or leave rather than lead a double life, Pope Francis said in a new book.

Francis made the comments in a book-length interview with Spanish priest Fernando Prado called "The Strength of Vocation," in which he discusses the challenges of being a priest or nun today.

The pope said in the book that homosexuality in the Church "is something that worries me."

...

"In our societies, it even seems homosexuality is fashionable. And this mentality, in some way, also influences the life of the church," Francis was quoted as telling his interviewer.

Francis is quoted in the book as commenting on a clergyman who had told him that having gays in Catholic religious housing "isn't so grave" because it's "only an expression of affection."

That reasoning "is in error," Francis said. "In consecrated life and priestly life, there is no room for this kind of affection."

“For this reason, the Church urges that persons with this rooted tendency not be accepted into (priestly) ministry or consecrated life,” he said.

He urged homosexuals who are already priests or nuns to be celibate and responsible to avoid creating scandal. "It is better that they leave the priesthood or the consecrated life rather than live a double life," he said. The pope has warned Italian bishops in the past to vet seminarians closely and reject those they suspect might be gay.

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1 Yup

Posted by: Slapweasel, (T) at December 04, 2018 02:11 PM (Ckg4U)

2 Well that's the end of commie pope love on the left.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 04, 2018 02:12 PM (t6MX/)

3 Gee, wouldn't be nice if someone had the magisterial authority to *force* those gay priests out of the clergy? Your Holiness, it sure would be nice if somebody was put in the position as successor of St. Peter that could do something about this huge problem you're noting, wouldn't it?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 04, 2018 02:13 PM (KUaJL)

4 Lighten up, Francis.

Posted by: Sgt. Hulka at December 04, 2018 02:13 PM (t6MX/)

5 Did his handlers suddenly understand how badly Frankie is screwing the pooch?

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 04, 2018 02:13 PM (y7DUB)

6 I heard there were nude priestesses here.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 02:13 PM (37IEG)

7 Things must be bad; he's getting close to the truth. The majority of cases have always been priests going after adolescent males, not prepubescent boys.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 04, 2018 02:14 PM (Z04f8)

8 meh, what about global warming, surely the church should focus on that! also illegals everywhere, amirite?

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 04, 2018 02:14 PM (7J5t2)

9 How homophobic of him /s

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at December 04, 2018 02:14 PM (XZ3Gp)

10 I thought this Pope liked fashionable stuff, like progressive socialism.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 02:14 PM (37IEG)

11 . . . and then Anti-Pope Frankie The Fag tendered his resignation.

- Just the punchline.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 04, 2018 02:15 PM (O033+)

12 Where does he stand on hot, lesbian nuns?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 02:15 PM (bcbK8)

13 QUIT BANGING THE ALTAR BOYS!!!

Posted by: Pope Frankie Fabulous I at December 04, 2018 02:15 PM (sf1AO)

14

The pope said in the book that homosexuality in the Church "is something that worries me."


You ain't the only one, pal.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 02:15 PM (BC0AZ)

15 I think he just said "knock it off or get out". What will happen when they do not knock it off is beyond my guess.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 04, 2018 02:16 PM (hLRSq)

16 The words Gay Priests should give you a clue something is wrong

Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 02:16 PM (bQtop)

17 I'm not Catholic, but I still have an opinion on this. Pope Francis is a shitball with zero credibility on this issue.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at December 04, 2018 02:16 PM (hjaPQ)

18 With the exception of the Opus Dei crowd, I have soured on the Catholic Church. Especially the leftist Jesuits.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 04, 2018 02:16 PM (ujg0T)

19 Yet we're told gay Scout leaders would never, ever touch boys.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 04, 2018 02:16 PM (ptqGC)

20 5 Did his handlers suddenly understand how badly Frankie is screwing the pooch?
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 04, 2018 02:13 PM (y7DUB)

Well instant replay can be very enlightening.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 02:16 PM (bcbK8)

21 Well that's the end of commie pope love on the left.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 04, 2018 02:12 PM (t6MX/)


I liked how all the openly dismissive ex-Catholics on Zuckerberg were so enraptured with the Peronist Pope because of the dumbass shit he was spewing.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 04, 2018 02:16 PM (y7DUB)

22 3 Gee, wouldn't be nice if someone had the magisterial authority to *force* those gay priests out of the clergy? Your Holiness, it sure would be nice if somebody was put in the position as successor of St. Peter that could do something about this huge problem you're noting, wouldn't it?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 04, 2018 02:13 PM (KUaJL)

No one has tried to exercise that kind of authority in a very long time. A toothless executive is a mixed bag.

Posted by: Someguy at December 04, 2018 02:16 PM (t849v)

23
Frankie kicks the can down the road with hopes the 'IOU's' in the collection plate turn back into dollars.

Worth a try I guess. Until the next altar boy story hits the front page.

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex at December 04, 2018 02:16 PM (e7O7B)

24 And where do these priests stand on fish sticks?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 02:16 PM (bcbK8)

25 Especially the leftist Jesuits.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 04, 2018 02:16 PM (ujg0T)

are there any other kind?

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at December 04, 2018 02:17 PM (XZ3Gp)

26 Be advised that if any of you treasonous Trump-licking pissant morons are tempted to make homophobic comments in this thread, any such comments will be entered into your permanent record at NSAGooMazonCIA headquarters.

Posted by: John O. Brennan at December 04, 2018 02:17 PM (DuAZ5)

27 Pope Defiant, Vows To Fight Any One Of You Faggots In The Octagon

Posted by: The New York Fucking Times at December 04, 2018 02:17 PM (sf1AO)

28
Okay, now why are most priests and nuns homos?

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 04, 2018 02:17 PM (CIMpD)

29 Unexpectedly!

Posted by: Adriane the The Whole is Crazy But Me & Thee Critic ... at December 04, 2018 02:17 PM (LPnfS)

30 He's really, really trying to wiggle his way out of this. ANY sexual activity has to be punished, severely, or else go the Orthodox way and allow marriage. There's really no in between.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 04, 2018 02:17 PM (RD7QR)

31 Gay or straight isn't the issue for me - if a priest wants to lead a private life with another adult I could care less. It is active pedophiles that abuse children who need to be banished and imprisoned.

Posted by: Cheri at December 04, 2018 02:17 PM (G+Wff)

32 What does a corrupt police chief do, though?

Does he say "I'm reforming the department, and I'm going to lock up all the crooks,"

or does he say "I strongly encourage the corrupt cops in this department to just get out of policing - they need to stop. Really."

Ol' Frankie's reactions to this throughout lead me to suspect that his hands are not clean.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 04, 2018 02:18 PM (AzW6q)

33 Defender of the Faith sez, "don't sin here, go over there where I can't see it. "

Posted by: RoyalOil, Vicroy Canadian Territories at December 04, 2018 02:18 PM (TN1P5)

34 >>>The pope has warned Italian bishops in the past to vet seminarians closely and reject those they suspect might be gay.<<<


What about the Italian bishops who are gay and prey upon seminarians? What's the conginency for that trigger, laughing boy?

Posted by: Fritz at December 04, 2018 02:18 PM (2Mnv1)

35 No one has tried to exercise that kind of authority in a very long time. A toothless executive is a mixed bag.
Posted by: Someguy at December 04, 2018 02:16 PM (t849v)

Bullshit. Benedict defrocked hundreds of them.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/17/pope-benedict-defrocked-400-priests-child-abuse

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 04, 2018 02:18 PM (KUaJL)

36 I watch a site called Church Militant on the metube, and they go after these homosexual predator priests on a daily basis. And the amount of them has become a huge problem in that they have gotten control of the bishops conference.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 04, 2018 02:18 PM (r+sAi)

37 >> having gays in Catholic religious housing "isn't so grave" because it's "only an expression of affection."

Also, interior design.

Posted by: Zod at December 04, 2018 02:19 PM (Bdeb0)

38 I guess there's not a lot of room in Francis' theology for "repent," or "go, and sin no more."

Posted by: Qoheleth at December 04, 2018 02:19 PM (iIzG7)

39 25 Especially the leftist Jesuits.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 04, 2018 02:16 PM (ujg0T)

are there any other kind?
Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at December 04, 2018 02:17 PM (XZ3Gp)



No doubt. I just see them as the most leftist, and hence worse, element within The Church.

At this point all I can say is, Opus Dei all the way. May they push the corrupt and pedo priests out of helicopters.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 04, 2018 02:19 PM (ujg0T)

40 meh. Bergoglio needs to take back his support of the Chi-com Catholic apparatus before he gets any cred whatsoever from me.

sorry to go OT but it's not really, it's a follow on to last thread.

Pamela Anderson joins the Jilly Johns:
https://tinyurl.com/ya4s389t

Posted by: kallisto at December 04, 2018 02:20 PM (DJFLF)

41 Bullshit. Benedict defrocked hundreds of them.

And Francis un-defrocked many of them.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 04, 2018 02:20 PM (r+sAi)

42
The Holy Spirit sent a message in the last Conclave:

1) No more Jesuit popes
2) No more South American popes

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 02:20 PM (BWL+E)

43 What happens in the rectory, stays in the rectory.

Posted by: Fritz at December 04, 2018 02:20 PM (2Mnv1)

44 What is the reason priests can't marry? Because Jesus didn't marry?

Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 02:20 PM (bQtop)

45 So, banging the nuns is still cool, right?

Posted by: Fr Paulo at December 04, 2018 02:20 PM (88+cf)

46 Speaking of abusive priests, I just finished watching season 1 of Ray Donovan.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 04, 2018 02:21 PM (y7DUB)

47 "John O. Brennan"

Yes, sir, Mr. Treasonous Angry Commie Garden Gnome!!!

Hey, aren't you due for a new coat of lacquer?

Posted by: Sharkman at December 04, 2018 02:21 PM (O033+)

48 I don t really understand homo priests. Faggotry is an abomination before the Lord. Thats more than just frowned on.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 04, 2018 02:21 PM (a2vo1)

49 "Did his handlers suddenly understand how badly Frankie is screwing the pooch?"

I do believe Francis was talking about homosexuality, not bestiality.

Posted by: Qoheleth at December 04, 2018 02:21 PM (iIzG7)

50 And Francis un-defrocked many of them.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 04, 2018 02:20 PM (r+sAi

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This. He's done nothing but defend the gay clergy, right up to the line of saying that accusers are doing the Devil's work by telling on them.

How many fruit-loop priests and bishops must have dirt on Francis...

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 04, 2018 02:21 PM (AzW6q)

51 Pope Francis believes this like Barack Obama believed marriage was between a man and a woman. Everybody knows he has his fingers crossed.

Posted by: Paul Mitchell at December 04, 2018 02:21 PM (+SKqr)

52

Re-frocked?

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 04, 2018 02:22 PM (CIMpD)

53 Just voted in Georgia runoff. I almost sat it out but hate of Dems keeps
me motivated. Light turnout, not many of the FSA or the #Resistance showed up at my polling place or even knew there was an election today so maybe a win
for the Republicans today . And more proof of voter suppression and
racism for the Dems to yap about. .

Posted by: Ripley at December 04, 2018 02:22 PM (MxEKc)

54 The Holy Spirit sent a message in the last Conclave:

1) No more Jesuit popes
2) No more South American popes

-
We need more Polack popes!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 04, 2018 02:22 PM (+y/Ru)

55 We're talking about cardinals here from what we've heard. I doubt defrocking a few hundred priests would address the problem. The whole American Catholic Church needs a housecleaning, with seminaries and convents emptied in their entirety.

Posted by: Someguy at December 04, 2018 02:22 PM (t849v)

56 Be advised that if any of you treasonous Trump-licking pissant morons are tempted to make homophobic comments in this thread, any such comments will be entered into your permanent record at NSAGooMazonCIA headquarters.
Posted by: John O. Brennan at December 04, 2018 02:17 PM


Camo Crocs continue to be on sale at Bass Pro Shops.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 04, 2018 02:22 PM (ctuyM)

57 44 What is the reason priests can't marry? Because Jesus didn't marry?
Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 02:20 PM (bQtop)

They don't want a wife to take half of the Church's shit in a divorce.

Posted by: Roy at December 04, 2018 02:22 PM (9rXxD)

58 48 I don t really understand homo priests. Faggotry is an abomination before the Lord. Thats more than just frowned on.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 04, 2018 02:21 PM (a2vo1)

Sex is their god, not Jehovah

Nothing can be allowed to stand between someone and how they choose to get off.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 02:22 PM (bcbK8)

59 25 Especially the leftist Jesuits.

Posted by: Curmudgeon

are there any other kind?
Posted by: votermom

No doubt. I just see them as the most leftist, and hence worse, element within The Church.

It's no accident that the most destructive element of any org is from within.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 04, 2018 02:22 PM (akHM/)

60 Zod - I was hoping you would explain your last comment on the previous thread as I'm not getting your meaning. You can respond in the previous thread, should you so desire, so as not to disrupt this one. Thanks.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 02:22 PM (NWiLs)

61 I spew thee out of my mouth.

Posted by: Teh Pope at December 04, 2018 02:22 PM (pMGkg)

62
So, then: gay priests, bad. Gay bishops and cardinals, OK.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 02:22 PM (BWL+E)

63
"only an expression of affection."

While teams of lawyers are collecting tens of millions of dollars in fees as settlements go into the hundreds of millions for teens who will be scared for the rest of their lives.

Yeah, Frankie, keep fvcking that chicken while the 'IOU's' in the collection plate keep mounting.

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex at December 04, 2018 02:23 PM (e7O7B)

64 Frock the cradle of love?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 04, 2018 02:23 PM (bcbK8)

65 I see a LOT of penises now


*shudders, this isn't want i was hoping for......

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2018 02:23 PM (d7Ww2)

66 45
So, banging the nuns is still cool, right?


Posted by: Fr Paulo at December 04, 2018 02:20 PM (88+cf)


That would get you booted immediately. Or maybe a ruler across the knuckles.

Posted by: davidt at December 04, 2018 02:24 PM (jGvbj)

67 I don t really understand homo priests. Faggotry is an abomination before the Lord. Thats more than just frowned on.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 04, 2018 02:21 PM (a2vo1)

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They don't give a fig for Catholic faith.

They want to be in an institution that permits them unfettered access to a large supply of catamites, and ensures they won't face consequences for plundering the butts of children.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 04, 2018 02:24 PM (AzW6q)

68 Don't mind me, I'm just heating this 14" cast iron dildo up to a nice cherry red.

Posted by: Satan at December 04, 2018 02:24 PM (7PLM4)

69 Why not go the castrati route? Zero defects.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 02:24 PM (2LelM)

70 What is the reason priests can't marry? Because Jesus didn't marry?
Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 02:20 PM (bQtop)

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Many can and marry. It is subsets of Catholocism that practice celibacy.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 04, 2018 02:24 PM (ffYR/)

71 Ok, I'll say it if y'all won't. Catholic girls were fun growing up.

Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 02:24 PM (bQtop)

72 12>>>

With sharp, spiked cleats, so as to drain their blood.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 04, 2018 02:24 PM (tzSAX)

73 57 44 What is the reason priests can't marry? Because Jesus didn't marry?
Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 02:20 PM (bQtop)

They don't want a wife to take half of the Church's shit in a divorce.
Posted by: Roy at December 04, 2018 02:22 PM (9rXxD)

Not to mention the hate texts to the archbishop.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 04, 2018 02:25 PM (RD7QR)

74 45 So, banging the nuns is still cool, right?
Posted by: Fr Paulo at December 04, 2018 02:20 PM (88+cf)



If it was, I honestly think a lot of mess would have been avoided.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 04, 2018 02:25 PM (ujg0T)

75 Sodom was destroyed by the Lord. Any guesses why?

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 04, 2018 02:25 PM (a2vo1)

76 The Holy Spirit sent a message in the last Conclave:



1) No more Jesuit popes

2) No more South American popes


***

I think a firebrand African priest would be awesome...you'd get to watch lefty heads spin kind of like the girl in the exorcist.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2018 02:25 PM (eSx+E)

77
66 45
So, banging the nuns is still cool, right?
-------------------------
Have you ever seen Nuns? They are manly women in comfortable shoes.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 02:25 PM (2LelM)

78 71 Ok, I'll say it if y'all won't. Catholic girls were fun growing up.
Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 02:24 PM (bQtop)

I didn't know any.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 02:25 PM (NWiLs)

79 Seminaries in the US actively filter out heterosexual men. Dunno how the homos are coordinating it but they are.

Posted by: Someguy at December 04, 2018 02:25 PM (t849v)

80 I see a LOT of penises now
*shudders, this isn't want i was hoping for......
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2018 02:23 PM


* sobs *

Penes, people! Penes!

Posted by: Assistant Associate AoSHQ Copy Editor, Perfect Pluralities Section at December 04, 2018 02:26 PM (ctuyM)

81
My catechism still has these sins as those that cry to Heaven for vengeance:

1) Homicide, infanticide, fratricide, patricide, and matricide
2) Sodomy
3) Oppression of the poor
4) Defrauding workers

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 02:26 PM (BWL+E)

82 What is the reason priests can't marry? Because Jesus didn't marry?
Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 02:20 PM (bQtop)


That, and married priests may be faced with divided loyalties between their families and their duty to the larger community and the church.

I suspect that there was also a practical matter, as a married priest has a family to support, as well as ties to the community and the local political leadership, which may divide loyalties. Much of church history has involved conflict between the Church and secular authorities regarding their respective spheres of influence.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at December 04, 2018 02:26 PM (wCmLp)

83
"John O. Brennan"

Yes, sir, Mr. Treasonous Angry Commie Garden Gnome!!!

Hey, aren't you due for a new coat of lacquer?

Posted by: Sharkman at December 04, 2018 02:21 PM (O033+)



Somewhere a Pacific island is missing a stone head.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 04, 2018 02:26 PM (ptqGC)

84 it's not gay as long as the balls don't touch!

Posted by: Pope Francis at December 04, 2018 02:26 PM (VckGX)

85 Ok, I'll say it if y'all won't. Catholic girls were fun growing up.

Posted by: Tinfolbaby

----

Still are! My bro has 8 kids and I have 6.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 04, 2018 02:26 PM (akHM/)

86 In Germany, a refugee from Cameroon killed a priest by beating him with a metal staff earlier this year.

Its amazing how long it takes for these stories to leak out. Its as if the media doesnt want you to know.

http://tinyurl.com/ybnf8nbx

Posted by: McCool at December 04, 2018 02:26 PM (Izjjo)

87 Lost in all the sturm und drang over the poseur pope are stories such as the one related to me by a *relative* stranger. An AA woman who hails from my hometown, a Baptist by birth, felt the call to conversion, so she became RCC.
Her parish was predominantly minority populated. Their pastor, Father O'Callahan, advocated for the community so effectively that the mayor of the small city pulled strings at the Archdiocese to have him transferred. The people of the parish then advocated for their beloved pastor at HQ, and were unexpectedly joined by busloads of other congregants from protestant denominations with their ministers.
Of course, the protest was to no avail, Fr. O'Callahan got transferred to another parish. He resigned his place in his current order to join the Josephites, who minister to Black and indigenous American children. However, he died within a year of the transfer, some say of a broken heart.
This is why the antics of the Vatican hierarchy disgust me. The RCC I know is more comprised of Fr. O'Callahan stories than the third rate media-driven soap opera that is occurring now.

Posted by: kallisto at December 04, 2018 02:26 PM (DJFLF)

88 "Sodom was destroyed by the Lord. Any guesses why?"

They outlawed show tunes?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 04, 2018 02:27 PM (cqNba)

89 >>>Sodom was destroyed by the Lord. Any guesses why?<<<

Too many gay, Italian bishops?

Posted by: Fritz at December 04, 2018 02:27 PM (2Mnv1)

90 87. sorry about that run-on paragraph. Firefox and pixy when joined together don't appreciate the paragraph breaks.

Posted by: kallisto at December 04, 2018 02:27 PM (DJFLF)

91 I didn't know homosexuality was a fashion!
------------------------

I think Francis is comparing homosexuality to something like anoerixa or bulimia, but I'd say that transgenderism is more closer to that kind of stuff.

Posted by: Delaforce the Air Mechanic at December 04, 2018 02:27 PM (Sg5Ve)

92 To any fellow Georgians here, I voted in the runoff earlier. Light turnout.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 04, 2018 02:27 PM (ptqGC)

93
I think a firebrand African priest would be awesome...you'd get to watch lefty heads spin kind of like the girl in the exorcist.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2018 02:25 PM (eSx+E)


Robert Cardinal Sarah would be my choice.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 02:27 PM (BWL+E)

94 So, banging the nuns is still cool, right?


Posted by: Fr Paulo at December 04, 2018 02:20 PM (88+cf)

I believe in this
And it's been tested by research
That he who fucks nuns
Will later join the Church

Posted by: The Clash at December 04, 2018 02:27 PM (NFEMn)

95 73 57 44 What is the reason priests can't marry? Because Jesus didn't marry?
Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 02:20 PM (bQtop)
-------------------------------
This started with the Catholic Church trying to stamp out Catharism. The Cathars were the original WWJD sect. Basically Cathars went full Shaker like 500 years before the Quakers and fallen Puritans did.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 02:28 PM (2LelM)

96 What is the reason priests can't marry? Because Jesus didn't marry?
Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 02:20 PM (bQtop)

They don't want a wife to take half of the Church's shit in a divorce.
Posted by: Roy at December 04, 2018 02:22 PM (9rXxD)

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Something like this was actually part of the original thinking. A married priests assets went to the wife at death. For single priests, it went to the Church.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 04, 2018 02:28 PM (ffYR/)

97 >>60 Zod - I was hoping you would explain your last comment on the previous thread as I'm not getting your meaning. You can respond in the previous thread, should you so desire, so as not to disrupt this one. Thanks.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 02:22 PM (NWiLs)

Will do. See me there.

Posted by: Zod at December 04, 2018 02:28 PM (Bdeb0)

98 "Sodom was destroyed by the Lord. Any guesses why?"


They tried fucking with Heaven's Angels, who make Hell's Angels look like pussies.

Posted by: Roy at December 04, 2018 02:28 PM (9rXxD)

99 Something about barn doors and horses comes to mind ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Facial Scarring Survivor at December 04, 2018 02:29 PM (9CsGj)

100 43
What happens in the rectory, stays in the rectory.


Posted by: Fritz at December 04, 2018 02:20 PM (2Mnv1)
What happens in the rectum all comes out in the end, so what's the big problem?

Posted by: Father Patrick Fits Maurice at December 04, 2018 02:29 PM (37IEG)

101 Let them marry. Simple as that.

Posted by: The Invisible Hand at December 04, 2018 02:29 PM (YpRda)

102
Something about barn doors and horses comes to mind ...


Posted by: ShainS -- Facial Scarring Survivor at December 04, 2018 02:29 PM (9CsGj)


Camels' noses and tents.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 04, 2018 02:30 PM (ptqGC)

103
If having married and/or female ministers was really a solution to anything, the Episcopalian church would be thriving right now.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 02:30 PM (BWL+E)

104 Ok, I'll say it if y'all won't. Catholic girls were fun growing up.

-
Only the Good Die Young

Posted by: Billy Joel at December 04, 2018 02:30 PM (+y/Ru)

105 Posted by: Zod at December 04, 2018 02:28 PM (Bdeb0)

Righto.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 02:30 PM (NWiLs)

106 >>>And that's the problem facing the Church: there's a system in place to protect abusive priests.

They've accumulated their own deep state over the years. That's you get people like McCarrick, who probably never had an ounce of piety, sacrificing a normal life to dedicate himself to God, but only joined because he'd gain access to luscious seminarians and he'd be respected by Catholics instead of evoking disgust. There are a lot of similar cases. Weakland, Favalora, etc.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 04, 2018 02:30 PM (/qEW2)

107 The pope said in the book that homosexuality in the Church "is something that worries me."

Can he be excommunicated by the SJW's for that?

Posted by: t-bird at December 04, 2018 02:30 PM (DCYln)

108 Wait....I thought they were gay only because the church wouldn't let them marry, or some crap......

Posted by: Sponge at December 04, 2018 02:30 PM (F4u7C)

109 Hi all..... in before the food fight.... or maybe not.... homosexual priests..... think this Calvinist will sit this one out.......

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2018 02:30 PM (ffWPP)

110 The only person I know of that's in seminary is an acquaintance of another friend of mine, and that guy is basically Rain Man.

Genius at math and coding, but struggles to function otherwise. And for some reason, he wanted to go to seminary.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 04, 2018 02:30 PM (tzSAX)

111 "19 Yet we're told gay Scout leaders would never, ever touch boys.
Posted by: Jane D'oh"


The problem in scouting is easier to deal with because of the two deep system. The Church has adopted similar practices whiich is why I doubt there is much of a current child molestation issue anymore. The problem with the Church is policing a gay predator priest living in a Seminary with men in their early 20's, Much more difficult to address.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 04, 2018 02:30 PM (OD2ni)

112 Let them marry. Simple as that.

Posted by: The Invisible Hand

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A solution in search of a problem.

Getting married doesn't have any impact on being homo (or preying on kids).

Posted by: Tonypete at December 04, 2018 02:31 PM (akHM/)

113 Paul in the Bible also says it is better not to marry. There are reasons mundane and theological. It doesn't cause people to turn gay though so the greater concern should probably be how the mass infiltration occurred. The Jesuits are another example of an originally meritorious organization becoming thoroughly corrupted.

Posted by: Someguy at December 04, 2018 02:31 PM (t849v)

114 79 Seminaries in the US actively filter out heterosexual men. Dunno how the homos are coordinating it but they are.
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Smell the glove. Kiss the ring.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 02:31 PM (2LelM)

115 Can he be excommunicated by the SJW's for that?
Posted by: t-bird at December 04, 2018 02:30 PM (DCYln)

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They'll triangulate.

His efficacy as a Gramscian Marxist outweighs the occasional mild criticism of ass-plundering.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 04, 2018 02:32 PM (AzW6q)

116 with seminaries and convents emptied in their entirety.
This is funny. The seminaries and convents are darn near empty as it is.

Not the contemplative orders however. Their numbers are growing. And those are the religious who have limited contact with the world.

Posted by: kallisto at December 04, 2018 02:32 PM (DJFLF)

117 Even a lefty Pope tells the right time twice a day.

Posted by: Wille Stark at December 04, 2018 02:32 PM (yMQGD)

118 Let them marry. Simple as that.
Posted by: The Invisible Hand at December 04, 2018 02:29 PM (YpRda)



The protestant community has a sexual abuse problem, same as the Roman Catholic church.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at December 04, 2018 02:32 PM (wCmLp)

119 I sometimes wonder had Catholics not embraced this phony celibate life that priests have to pretend to live, there probably would no be so many homosexuals and pedophiles that went into that line of work.

I've heard stories from insiders that it really is rampant.

Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2018 02:32 PM (UfkIY)

120 Let them marry. Simple as that. <<<<
They're homosexuals!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 04, 2018 02:32 PM (r+sAi)

121 Be advised that if any of you treasonous Trump-licking pissant morons are tempted to make homophobic comments in this thread, any such comments will be entered into your permanent record at NSAGooMazonCIA headquarters.
Posted by: John O. Brennan at December 04, 2018 02:17 PM

Camo Crocs continue to be on sale at Bass Pro Shops.
Posted by: Duncanthrax


Amazon has white crocs.

Posted by: Fr. Guido Sarducci at December 04, 2018 02:32 PM (c3AZU)

122 103
If having married and/or female ministers was really a solution to anything, the Episcopalian church would be thriving right now.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 02:30 PM (BWL+E)



Oh, leftist "Social Justice" crap will still kill a Church. Letting clergy marry is a necessary, but not a sufficient, condition for a thriving Church.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 04, 2018 02:32 PM (ujg0T)

123 71 Ok, I'll say it if y'all won't. Catholic girls were fun growing up.

Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 02:24 PM (bQtop)


With the little mustache.

Posted by: Zombie Frank Zappa at December 04, 2018 02:32 PM (jGvbj)

124 I believe in this
And it's been tested by research
That he who fucks nuns
Will later join the Church
Posted by: The Clash


Good research, and yeah, I remember that tune.

Posted by: JEM at December 04, 2018 02:33 PM (8erNz)

125 1) Homicide, infanticide, fratricide, patricide, and matricide
2) Sodomy
3) Oppression of the poor
4) Defrauding workers

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Donk platform for 2020?

Posted by: Billy Joel at December 04, 2018 02:33 PM (+y/Ru)

126 Ya, there's no way pedophiles would be drawn to scouts

Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 02:33 PM (bQtop)

127 Francis is quoted in the book as commenting on a clergyman who had told him that having gays in Catholic religious housing "isn't so grave" because it's "only an expression of affection."

So ... kinda like bestiality, then?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 04, 2018 02:33 PM (YqDXo)

128 111
"19 Yet we're told gay Scout leaders would never, ever touch boys.

Posted by: Jane D'oh"





The problem in scouting is easier to deal with because of the two
deep system. The Church has adopted similar practices whiich is why I
doubt there is much of a current child molestation issue anymore. The
problem with the Church is policing a gay predator priest living in a
Seminary with men in their early 20's, Much more difficult to address.


Posted by: Benji Carver at December 04, 2018 02:30 PM (OD2ni)
These predators, are they wearing the camouflage clocking suits? We can track them now.

Posted by: Major Alan "Dutch" Schaefer at December 04, 2018 02:34 PM (37IEG)

129 Bullshit. Benedict defrocked hundreds of them.
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But, but, but -- don't you know that Benedict was a German? He was obviously *nazi*.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 04, 2018 02:34 PM (MIKMs)

130 4 Lighten up, Francis.
Posted by: Sgt. Hulka at December 04, 2018 02:13 PM (t6MX/)

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in his loafers?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 04, 2018 02:34 PM (NF7WJ)

131 You could call a lot of things "expressions of affection."

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 04, 2018 02:34 PM (iXnsK)

132 At an Orthodox Jewish wedding, the bride's mother is pregnant.

At a Conservative Jewish wedding, the bride is pregnant.

At a Reform Jewish wedding, the rabbi is pregnant.

At a Reconstructionist Jewish wedding, the rabbi and her wife are pregnant.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 04, 2018 02:35 PM (AzW6q)

133 Seminaries in the US actively filter out heterosexual men. Dunno how the homos are coordinating it but they are.
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Smell the glove. Kiss the ring.
Posted by: Puddin Head


Smell the finger, kiss the dinger?

Posted by: Fr. Guido Sarducci at December 04, 2018 02:35 PM (c3AZU)

134 125 1) Homicide, infanticide, fratricide, patricide, and matricide
2) Sodomy
3) Oppression of the poor taxpayers and normal people
4) Defrauding workers

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Donk platform for 2020?
Posted by: Billy Joel at December 04, 2018 02:33 PM (+y/Ru)

NOW you've got the Donk platform for 2020.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 04, 2018 02:35 PM (YqDXo)

135 deep-rooted.... homosexual tendencies?

Posted by: MJC at December 04, 2018 02:35 PM (Gyd/p)

136 103


If having married and/or female ministers was really a solution to
anything, the Episcopalian church would be thriving right now.



Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 02:30 PM (BWL+E)

There are Episcopalian congregations being assumed into the RCC, they're called the Ordinariate. I'd love to attend services at one of their parishes, but the closest to me is 20 miles away. Their liturgy is pre-Vatican 2, communicants kneel at the altar rail, women wear chapel veils, etc. At least from the pics I've seen and what my one friend who's a convert told me.

Posted by: kallisto at December 04, 2018 02:35 PM (DJFLF)

137 This focus on the celibacy is misguided. Public education doesn't prohibit marriage and it is a wild cesspool of pedophilia and pederasty, where most of it occurs in fact. Predators go where the prey is. Worthy of note, public schools also do the whole kicking predators off to other schools thing, no one wants their own district associated with the problem so they cover it up.

Posted by: Someguy at December 04, 2018 02:35 PM (t849v)

138 The protestant community has a sexual abuse problem, same as the Roman Catholic church.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile

________________

Nothing like the Catholic Church. And when there's a problem, it's individual churches, not a larger conspiracy of hiding it.

No Church is going to have sin free leaders, but to pretend the Catholic Church doesn't have a very specific problem is silly.

Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2018 02:35 PM (UfkIY)

139 Paul in the Bible also says it is better not to marry. There are reasons mundane and theological.

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I always assumed he was talking about control of the TV remote.

Posted by: Billy Joel at December 04, 2018 02:35 PM (+y/Ru)

140 109 Hi all..... in before the food fight.... or maybe not.... homosexual priests..... think this Calvinist will sit this one out.......
Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2018 02:30 PM (ffWPP)

You were predestined to do that.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 04, 2018 02:36 PM (RD7QR)

141
The protestant community has a sexual abuse problem, same as the Roman Catholic church.
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Never, never, never in the mo-hood though.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 04, 2018 02:37 PM (MIKMs)

142 This is a small gesture in the right direction, I'm Catholic (convert not life long). So far this pope has been a disaster. Pray for him. All popes are just men and men are flawed. Some more and some less. I agree that there is too much influence from modern sjw culture in the church. We need a smaller more pure more faithful church. Our bishops are almost as bad as the pope. lgbtxyz should have no place in our church besides begging for Gods mercy. Commies and Marxists should be shunned as well. Don't even get me started on the pro abortion wing in the church. Sad that the sjw-lgbtxyz-marxist death cult people tend to be the same folks.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at December 04, 2018 02:37 PM (0OmEj)

143
I sometimes wonder had Catholics not embraced this phony celibate life that priests have to pretend to live, there probably would no be so many homosexuals and pedophiles that went into that line of work.

This "phony celibate life" has been around for centuries. During that time, the overwhelming majority of priests have lived holy, celibate lives.

There are lots of non-clergy who are forced to live without sex. I doubt they're off diddling teenage boys as a result.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 02:37 PM (BWL+E)

144 You were predestined to do that.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 04, 2018 02:36 PM (RD7QR)

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Doubly so.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 04, 2018 02:37 PM (AzW6q)

145 59 25 Especially the leftist Jesuits.

Posted by: Curmudgeon

are there any other kind?
Posted by: votermom


There used to be. I was taught by the last of them. Ignatius is spinning in his grave so fast, put two terminals on his casket and he could solve the energy crisis.

You have to admit the devil is excellent at Spiritual jujitsu. He took one of his enemies most potent weapons and turned it against them.

One of the reasons priests were supposed to be strong upright men was in order to face the spiritual assault they would endure as representatives of Christ.

Posted by: Iblis at December 04, 2018 02:37 PM (9221z)

146 Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 04, 2018 02:30 PM (/qEW2)
pretty much.

And to compound the problem, most Catholic parishioners were blissfully ignorant and could not conceive of the priests, cardinals, what have you being motivated by something other than the love of Christ.

Well, the times they are a-changing.

Posted by: kallisto at December 04, 2018 02:37 PM (DJFLF)

147 I wonder if young gay men in seminary, who would like to be celibate are targeted by older actively gay priests as easy targets.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 04, 2018 02:37 PM (NF7WJ)

148 If thy rod and thy staff comforts thee, you gotta go.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 04, 2018 02:38 PM (H7LIz)

149 What is the reason priests can't marry? Because Jesus didn't marry?

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In the middle ages Catholic bishops wielded significant temporal authority in Europe.

To stop bishops from having children and then treating the church lands as dynastic property the Catholic church got somewhat serious about enforcing celibacy - if you don't have legals kids you can't leave them your lands!

But we don't need this solution any more...obviously. All celibacy is doing is keeping more quality men out of the priesthood.

One should note the Orthodox churches allow married priests and always have and have fewer "issues" then the Catholics do....


Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2018 02:38 PM (eSx+E)

150 "It is better that they leave the priesthood..."
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Something something millstone.

Posted by: The One Who Ends Comment Threads at December 04, 2018 02:38 PM (MceDl)

151 140
109 Hi all..... in before the food fight.... or maybe not.... homosexual
priests..... think this Calvinist will sit this one out.......

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2018 02:30 PM (ffWPP)



You were predestined to do that.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 04, 2018 02:36 PM (RD7QR)
We all were. The food fight, or not, - preordained. Sounds suspiciously like that religion where nothing gets down unless that guy who owns the snack bar wills it.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 02:38 PM (37IEG)

152 144 You were predestined to do that.
Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 04, 2018 02:36 PM (RD7QR)

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Doubly so.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 04, 2018 02:37 PM (AzW6q)

Heh..... pretty much sums up my system.... throw in total depravity, and you are close.....

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2018 02:39 PM (ffWPP)

153
128 These predators, are they wearing the camouflage clocking suits?

tailored by salvador dali?

Posted by: Anachronda at December 04, 2018 02:39 PM (NmR1a)

154 If your church has a gay transgender pastor, you may want to look elsewhere

Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 02:39 PM (bQtop)

155 From the Catholic side, sex is for procreation only, if I remember correctly. So allowing a priest to marry changes nothing because he's only allowed to have kids. Unless you want to start seeing churches supporting the priests 50 kids, not a solution.

Posted by: Sponge at December 04, 2018 02:40 PM (F4u7C)

156 Prior to the First Crusade, priests, bishops, cardinals and Popes were rock stars. They could, and did, have any wench they fancied. Then they ran into Cathars.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 04, 2018 02:40 PM (2LelM)

157
Until fairly recently, if you were an illegitimate child you could not receive Holy Orders. The Church didn't want to be the dumping ground for the bastard children of the aristocracy.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 02:40 PM (BWL+E)

158
48 I don t really understand homo priests. Faggotry is an abomination before the Lord. Thats more than just frowned on.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 04, 2018 02:21 PM (a2vo1)
the act of homosexuality is a sin.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 04, 2018 02:40 PM (0O7c5)

159 If having married and/or female ministers was really a solution to anything, the Episcopalian church would be thriving right now.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh


Thank you. I dunno how many times this has to be repeated every time this topic is mentioned.

The Anglicans (C of E) are a mess, and they've allowed married priests for centuries and and are celebrating women/gays/gay women for decades. The stereotype of them is gay and/or drunk and/or clueless.

Teaching orders and seminaries are dwindling, and ave been for decades, along with the birth rate.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 04, 2018 02:40 PM (Z04f8)

160 Nothing like the Catholic Church. And when there's a problem, it's individual churches, not a larger conspiracy of hiding it.

No Church is going to have sin free leaders, but to pretend the Catholic Church doesn't have a very specific problem is silly.
Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2018 02:35 PM (UfkIY)

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Yeah, their problem for decades was the lengths they would go to to cover it up. This lead individuals to think their actions would be penalty free. The law should have been involved from the start, and I say this as someone who was raised RC.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 04, 2018 02:40 PM (ffYR/)

161 Just having fun guys.... love to troll Arminians....

Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2018 02:40 PM (ffWPP)

162 153


128 These predators, are they wearing the camouflage clocking suits?



tailored by salvador dali?

Posted by: Anachronda at December 04, 2018 02:39 PM (NmR1a)
the ticking, that is how we track them.
Wait, are you mocking my accent?

Posted by: Major Alan "Dutch" Schaefer at December 04, 2018 02:40 PM (37IEG)

163 I wonder if young gay men in seminary, who would like to be celibate are targeted by older actively gay priests as easy targets.
This is the majority of the recent criminal scandal.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 04, 2018 02:40 PM (r+sAi)

164 Ok, I'll say it if y'all won't. Catholic girls were fun growing up.

Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 02:24 PM


In 20/20 hindsight I dated from that pool almost exclusively. To this day still have a slight school-girl uniform fetish.

Posted by: Embedded in my Pre-Frontal Cortex at December 04, 2018 02:41 PM (e7O7B)

165 I think a firebrand African priest would be awesome...you'd get to watch lefty heads spin kind of like the girl in the exorcist.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2018 02:25 PM (eSx+E)


They wouldn't spin or explode at all. Lefties really don't respect the minorities or women they claim to. The moment they wander of the liberal reservation they're attacked as viciously as any non-grievance group conservative.

Many conservatives seem to have this bizarre hope that if only we find the right minority/woman champion, THEN that would cause the left to somehow re-evaluate itself, or at least insulate that candidate from attack. That never happened and never will happen.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 04, 2018 02:41 PM (/qEW2)

166 Where the white choirboys at Francis,,,,,,,the talking MULE!!!!...Don KEY Oat 'EH.?

Posted by: saf at December 04, 2018 02:41 PM (5IHGB)

167 Church camp isn't supposed to be brokeback mountain......

Posted by: Sponge at December 04, 2018 02:42 PM (F4u7C)

168 109 Hi all..... in before the food fight.... or maybe not.... homosexual priests..... think this Calvinist will sit this one out.......
Posted by: kraken at December 04, 2018 02:30 PM (ffWPP)

What did the Calvinist say after he fell down the stairs?

"Boy, I'm glad THAT'S over with!"

Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 02:43 PM (NWiLs)

169 This focus on the celibacy is misguided. Public education doesn't prohibit marriage and it is a wild cesspool of pedophilia and pederasty, where most of it occurs in fact. Predators go where the prey is. Worthy of note, public schools also do the whole kicking predators off to other schools thing, no one wants their own district associated with the problem so they cover it up.
Posted by: Someguy


The Broward county school district is doing an impressive job of fighting EVERYBODY over the murder of 17 students and staff. They are determined to wait out the parents and the survivors.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 04, 2018 02:43 PM (Z04f8)

170 Some inquisitors can find the occulted homosexuals in the Church.

Posted by: G at December 04, 2018 02:43 PM (iQKgg)

171
From the Catholic side, sex is for procreation only, if I remember correctly.

Not quite. In the absence of 'natural reasons of time or of certain defects' (infertility, menopause), sex should be open to procreation.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 02:44 PM (BWL+E)

172 Obviously this has nothing to do with the thread or the comments, but class is class.

Bob Dole paying his respect to Bush.

https://youtu.be/6kWPZYqvOBk

For those that cannot watch the clip, Dole is helped up from his wheelchair, and by that I mean he is held up so he can stand, and then Dole salutes before being helped back down before he collapses.

Two thoughts: First, whatever I think of Dole and GWHB as politicians, that was moving to see.

Second? Time is vicious and ruthless and cruel.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 04, 2018 02:44 PM (mf5HN)

173 Public education doesn't prohibit marriage and it is a wild cesspool of pedophilia and pederasty, where most of it occurs in fact.

I didn't know Harry Reid was a teacher......

Posted by: Sponge at December 04, 2018 02:44 PM (F4u7C)

174 Ax another point to consider - the first Pope, Saint Peter was married.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2018 02:45 PM (eSx+E)

175 The law should have been involved from the start, and I say this as someone who was raised RC.

We know from legal documentation that Boston PD enabled the RCC sex abuse by squashing reports of pedo priests. Most likely this scenario was repeated in big cities with significant Catholic population.

Posted by: kallisto at December 04, 2018 02:45 PM (DJFLF)

176 Frankie should call for an inquisition.

Think of the Broadcast monies!

This episode of The Great Homo Inquisition brought to you by Holy Toast Communion Wafers. Now gluten free!

Posted by: Roland THTG at December 04, 2018 02:45 PM (88+cf)

177 Well, he's correct in this case but he was forced to write this as the scandal is out (heh).

He's still the anti-Pope as far as I'm concerned. (i'm prot but the church has a lot of influence how christians are seen.)

I think he was put in by a cabal of cardinals some of them gay to get rid of Benedict who wasn't going to just write books about gay priests and the system that hides them he was going to start kicking ppl out.

So he was forced out by threats and possible other means.

This guy is a hick commie from Argentina that they can push around like a little meat puppet. And they still can't control him completely and they can't hide what they're doing to the Church either.

Posted by: jakee308 at December 04, 2018 02:46 PM (wd9fW)

178 SEMENERY....Semenary SEMENERY...lets call the HOLE THING OFF.............................limits.!!


Father I have sinned butt ......tomorrow tomorrow is a new Gay.....................

Posted by: saf at December 04, 2018 02:46 PM (5IHGB)

179 We may not have CPL to kick around anymore but when the Lord closes a door, he opens a window.

Elizabeth Warren: "I'm Taking A Hard Look" At 2020 Run For President . . .

Bonus:

Robert 'Beto' O'Rourke At 7% In Polls Seen As A Top Democrat Contender In 2020

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 04, 2018 02:46 PM (+y/Ru)

180 This "phony celibate life" has been around for centuries. During that time, the overwhelming majority of priests have lived holy, celibate lives.

There are lots of non-clergy who are forced to live without sex. I doubt they're off diddling teenage boys as a result.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

____________

I don't think so much it's the "not having sex" part so much as the life gives these people a cover, particularly when it was socially unacceptable to be gay.

Easier to be a priest than a bachelor that was obviously never interested in women. Or a woman that never wanted to marry a man became a nun.

Obviously that era is long gone, but something tells me gay Catholic priests are not a recent phenomenon, it's more likely something that's just getting more exposure.

Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2018 02:46 PM (UfkIY)

181 Not quite. In the absence of 'natural reasons of time or of certain defects' (infertility, menopause), sex should be open to procreation.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 02:44 PM (BWL+E)


Meaning unless you're sterile or infertile, you only do it to make babies.

Posted by: Sponge at December 04, 2018 02:46 PM (F4u7C)

182 44 What is the reason priests can't marry? Because Jesus didn't marry?
Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 02:20 PM (bQtop)


For the first 300 or so years, IIRC, priests typically were married.

It was in one of the councils in the late 4th century (Nicaea? I don't recall now) that priest celibacy became part of Church doctrine (perhaps influenced by St. Augustine).

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 04, 2018 02:47 PM (YqDXo)

183 2% gay population committing 60% of the abuse. Go read the report. 30 times the straight population.

Posted by: joe dagostino at December 04, 2018 02:47 PM (3w9Fm)

184 Robert 'Beto' O'Rourke At 7% In Polls Seen As A Top Democrat Contender In 2020
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 04, 2018 02:46 PM (+y/Ru)


The HispaMick will get DRUG by Trump. Let his dumbass run.

Posted by: Sponge at December 04, 2018 02:47 PM (F4u7C)

185 One should note the Orthodox churches allow married priests and always have and have fewer "issues" then the Catholics do....


Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2018 02:38 PM (eSx+E)


That are reported here.
A Catholic Priest can be married if he was a priest in another Christian tradition and he and his spouse converted to Catholicism.
You can also become a priest after your spouse passes away. The priest who instructed us in Pre-Cana was a widower with grandchildren. He had a wonderful perspective on marriage.

Posted by: Iblis at December 04, 2018 02:47 PM (9221z)

186 This episode of The Great Homo Inquisition brought to you by Holy Toast Communion Wafers. Now gluten free!
Posted by: Roland THTG at December 04, 2018 02:45 PM (88+cf)

Gluten free wafers and communion Cosmopolitans.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 02:47 PM (NWiLs)

187 >>If having married and/or female ministers was really a solution to anything, the Episcopalian church would be thriving right now


And also, they've already been through the gay bishop thing --- and came out on the opposite side from Frankie.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2018 02:47 PM (W+vEI)

188 I need to sit this one out. Catholic bashing is not fucking cool.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at December 04, 2018 02:47 PM (0OmEj)

189 2% gay population committing 60% of the abuse. Go read the report. 30 times the straight population.
Posted by: joe dagostino at December 04, 2018 02:47 PM (3w9Fm)


But, they were BORN that way.....

Posted by: Sponge at December 04, 2018 02:48 PM (F4u7C)

190 "From the Catholic side, sex is for procreation only, if I remember correctly."


LOL, no.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 04, 2018 02:48 PM (OD2ni)

191 In 20/20 hindsight I dated from that pool almost exclusively. To this day still have a slight school-girl uniform fetish.

Me too.

Posted by: Mr. Roboto at December 04, 2018 02:48 PM (TUU1F)

192 >>183 2% gay population committing 60% of the abuse. Go read the report. 30 times the straight population. Posted by: joe dagostino at December 04, 2018 02:47 PM (3w9Fm)

The Parish Pareto Principle at work.

Posted by: Zod at December 04, 2018 02:48 PM (Bdeb0)

193 Open to procreation means no birth control.

Posted by: Someguy at December 04, 2018 02:48 PM (t849v)

194 So...what's next? Getting rid of the alter boys?

Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 02:48 PM (0tfLf)

195 181 Not quite. In the absence of 'natural reasons of time or of certain defects' (infertility, menopause), sex should be open to procreation.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 02:44 PM (BWL+E)

Meaning unless you're sterile or infertile, you only do it to make babies.
Posted by: Sponge at December 04, 2018 02:46 PM (F4u7C)


I think that that's sharpening the point a bit. "Open to procreation" is distinct from "for the purpose of procreation."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 04, 2018 02:49 PM (YqDXo)

196 Our youth group pastor decided he would go after my step daughter, last thing he did in the church

Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 02:49 PM (bQtop)

197 We know from legal documentation that Boston PD enabled the RCC sex abuse by squashing reports of pedo priests. Most likely this scenario was repeated in big cities with significant Catholic population.
Posted by: kallisto


cough** St. Louis **cough

Posted by: Fr. Guido Sarducci at December 04, 2018 02:49 PM (c3AZU)

198 Mumblegrumble. I've known too many good folk who were attracted to the same sex to want to denounce that cohort's influence as "too frequently negative", but damn, the ones that do the damage are really, really making that difficult these days.

I know, individual culpability for individual actions, but damn, after a while you gotta admit there's a pattern...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 04, 2018 02:49 PM (AM1GF)

199 I wonder what percentage of straight seminarians are driven off by the gay culture at seminaries. While a gay purge may initially reduce the number of priests and bishops, it may eventually allow the numbers to grow.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 04, 2018 02:49 PM (/qEW2)

200 Second? Time is vicious and ruthless and cruel.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 04, 2018 02:44 PM (mf5HN)

Yes it is a moving tribute. Dole didn't have to get up and salute, but he made sure it happened. So sad we got a shitbird for president instead of Bob Dole.

Posted by: kallisto at December 04, 2018 02:49 PM (DJFLF)

201 184
Robert 'Beto' O'Rourke At 7% In Polls Seen As A Top Democrat Contender In 2020

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 04, 2018 02:46 PM (+y/Ru)



The HispaMick will get DRUG by Trump. Let his dumbass run.

Posted by: Sponge at December 04, 2018 02:47 PM (F4u7C)
My Skateboard Jesus! He's dreamy! did you know he can Skateboard?

just....wow!

Posted by: Texas SJW at December 04, 2018 02:49 PM (37IEG)

202 Pederasts OK though?

Posted by: Father Harry Reid at December 04, 2018 02:49 PM (LISuA)

203 These are pedophiles that like young boys. Allowing them to marry women will not stop this.

And the reason for celibracy was so the priests children could not inherit the property. It would stay in the Church.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 04, 2018 02:49 PM (Lqy/e)

204 So with our Pope's proclamation, we can expect the handful of gay Bishops -those with boy toys and nice homes in Florida, etc. -- to step down?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 04, 2018 02:50 PM (jxbfJ)

205 I don't think so much it's the "not having sex" part so much as the life gives these people a cover, particularly when it was socially unacceptable to be gay.

Easier to be a priest than a bachelor that was obviously never interested in women. Or a woman that never wanted to marry a man became a nun.

Obviously that era is long gone, but something tells me gay Catholic priests are not a recent phenomenon, it's more likely something that's just getting more exposure.
Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2018 02:46 PM (UfkIY)


As a lapsed Catholic, I couldn't agree more.

A few hundred years ago, an intellectual gay man's best path in life was to become a priest. They were expected to be celibate (but we're all sinners, right?), but I think the Church always kind of accepted a large percentage of their priests were closested / mostly celibate gay men.

...because it's a hard sell for a straight, smart teenage boy thinking about his career options: You can go in to business, or law, or some kind trade, orrr... you can give a vow of celibacy and poverty and become a priest.

Like, ehh... I think I'll do something that allows me to bang chicks, thanks.

But when being gay was a huge societal issue (illegal in many places), well... being a priest made more sense.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 02:50 PM (GBteo)

206 192 >>183 2% gay population committing 60% of the abuse. Go read the report. 30 times the straight population. Posted by: joe dagostino at December 04, 2018 02:47 PM (3w9Fm)

The Parish Pareto Principle at work.
Posted by: Zod at December 04, 2018 02:48 PM (Bdeb0)


Approximately 2% of the population commits something like 50% of the murders, too, IIRC.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 04, 2018 02:50 PM (YqDXo)

207 "I need to sit this one out. Catholic bashing is not fucking cool."


I am pretty defensive about my Catholic faith, but I honestly don't see any bashing here. Some shots a Francis, sure, but he deserves that.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 04, 2018 02:50 PM (OD2ni)

208 I looked her up, and that evicted gun girl is pretty hot.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 04, 2018 02:50 PM (AzW6q)

209 Can you put up that video of all the Catholics in St. Peter's Square chanting "We Want Trump!"? That's what led to this six-month suspension of gays in the priesthood.

Posted by: t-bird at December 04, 2018 02:50 PM (NAs56)

210 Calling out the corrupt, evil, predator shitbags in the Catholic hierarchy isn't "Catholic bashing."

Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 02:50 PM (NWiLs)

211 Frankie should call for an inquisition.
Think of the Broadcast monies!


Didn't Frankie go to Hollywood?

Posted by: clutch cargo at December 04, 2018 02:50 PM (TUU1F)

212 And no, this ain't Catholic bashing. The Vatican is under occupation as DC/NY is.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 04, 2018 02:51 PM (AM1GF)

213 2% gay population committing 60% of the abuse. Go read the report. 30 times the straight population.
Posted by: joe dagostino at December 04, 2018 02:47 PM (3w9Fm)

But, they were BORN that way.....

-
Sociopathic?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 04, 2018 02:51 PM (+y/Ru)

214 2% gay population committing 60% of the abuse. Go read the report. 30 times the straight population.
Posted by: joe dagostino

_______________

Yea, and how many people who were "born" gay have sexual abuse in their history?

I really do think a lot of gay people wouldn't have become gay had they not been molested.

The stats really scream there is some connection there.

Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2018 02:51 PM (UfkIY)

215
Meaning unless you're sterile or infertile, you only do it to make babies.

Posted by: Sponge


No, when you do it you don't avoid making babies. There's a distinction there.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 02:51 PM (BWL+E)

216 What is the reason priests can't marry? Because Jesus didn't marry?
Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 02:20 PM (bQtop)

For the first 300 or so years, IIRC, priests typically were married.

It was in one of the councils in the late 4th century (Nicaea? I don't recall now) that priest celibacy became part of Church doctrine (perhaps influenced by St. Augustine).
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

At one point, the church adopted the 'Benedictine rule'. They, like many other orders of monks, practiced celibacy. The Church determined that it was a better course than some of the local squabbling going on. I do not know when this occurred .

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 04, 2018 02:51 PM (Z04f8)

217 Corker was on CNN as I waited for my sandwich to be made, and he's really pushing the Iranian line in this whole Saudi Arabia killed the Muslim Brotherhood dude narrative. Has he already been hired, do you think, or are these comments more in the way of an audition?

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Moar Coffee at December 04, 2018 02:51 PM (LISuA)

218 172 Obviously this has nothing to do with the thread or the comments, but class is class.

Bob Dole paying his respect to Bush.

https://youtu.be/6kWPZYqvOBk

For those that cannot watch the clip, Dole is helped up from his wheelchair, and by that I mean he is held up so he can stand, and then Dole salutes before being helped back down before he collapses.

Two thoughts: First, whatever I think of Dole and GWHB as politicians, that was moving to see.

Second? Time is vicious and ruthless and cruel.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 04, 2018 02:44 PM



Come on Dems. Nothing says funeral like a good Wellstone funeral.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 04, 2018 02:51 PM (0tfLf)

219 Open to procreation means no birth control.
Posted by: Someguy at December 04, 2018 02:48 PM (t849v)


Well, that depends on what the definition of "birth control" is, no? Does pulling out count as birth control? "OOPS!! I missed...."

Posted by: Sponge at December 04, 2018 02:51 PM (F4u7C)

220 Posted by: Benji Carver at December 04, 2018 02:50 PM (OD2ni)

------

Yeah... I don't equate bashing apostate sodomite clergy and their Marxist queen-bee with Catholic-bashing.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 04, 2018 02:51 PM (AzW6q)

221 Catholic bashing is not fucking cool

Not bashing Catholics - the hierarchy yes, Catholics, no. The two aren't the same.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 04, 2018 02:52 PM (37IEG)

222 And the reason for celibracy was so the priests children could not inherit the property. It would stay in the Church.
Posted by: Notsothoreau


If the priest never owned the property to begin with, there'd be nothing for the kids to inherit.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 02:52 PM (c3AZU)

223 201 184
Robert 'Beto' O'Rourke At 7% In Polls Seen As A Top Democrat Contender In 2020

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 04, 2018 02:46 PM (+y/Ru)



The HispaMick will get DRUG by Trump. Let his dumbass run.

Posted by: Sponge at December 04, 2018 02:47 PM (F4u7C)
My Skateboard Jesus! He's dreamy! did you know he can Skateboard?

just....wow!
Posted by: Texas SJW at December 04, 2018 02:49 PM (37IEG)


The Dems will want to replace Presidential debates with a Presidential skateboard competition. Betoff will be a shoo-in.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 04, 2018 02:52 PM (YqDXo)

224 Yea, and how many people who were "born" gay have sexual abuse in their history?

I really do think a lot of gay people wouldn't have become gay had they not been molested.

The stats really scream there is some connection there.
Posted by: Blago

Just as Zombie talked about watching gays groom/recruit teenagers. There's little difference between the situations.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 04, 2018 02:52 PM (Z04f8)

225 Many conservatives seem to have this bizarre hope that if only we find the right minority/woman champion, THEN that would cause the left to somehow re-evaluate itself, or at least insulate that candidate from attack. That never happened and never will happen.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear

>That is a bit like holding your beath and hope for the best.

The best way to disgrace the left as racists is prove that their ideas, such as believing blacks aren't as capable as whites to get voter ID's, are racist.

The Democrats have been using and abusing Africans since 1828. Excuses like blacks have to vote Democrat tickets continue the tradition.

Posted by: Delaforce the Air Mechanic at December 04, 2018 02:52 PM (0HNKq)

226 We have had a couple of different priests from Africa come and stay at our parish during the summertime. One was from Nigeria and the other from Kenya.

they were super conservative and loyal to the old Mother Church. LOVED hearing their homilies. They adhere to none of the SJW bs and wouldn't bend a millimeter on abortion, birth control or adultery.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2018 02:53 PM (d7Ww2)

227 Dole didn't have to get up and salute, but he made sure it happened.

Bob Dole can now get up and salute, Bob Dole is happy to report.

Posted by: Bob Dole at December 04, 2018 02:53 PM (Y9zp1)

228 IMO priesthood should be a limited term of service for most, like being a missionary, or serving in the military

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at December 04, 2018 02:53 PM (XZ3Gp)

229 225

>> /rantend

Posted by: Delaforce the Air Mechanic at December 04, 2018 02:53 PM (0HNKq)

230 Yea, and how many people who were "born" gay have sexual abuse in their history?



I really do think a lot of gay people wouldn't have become gay had they not been molested.

I used to work in creative. Consequently, many of my coworkers and personal network were gay males. To a man, they confided that they were same sex molested when they were little boys.

Some were told that the violation was happenning to them because "I can tell you're gay, you like this."
What's a five year old supposed to think for the rest of his life, especially if the abuse is repeated over time?

Posted by: kallisto at December 04, 2018 02:53 PM (DJFLF)

231 The US government when under Democrat control is a good analogy. There is a substantial conservative faction who backed a different candidate for pope, and power and control ebs back and forth. The scale is entirely different though as the Catholic Church is all over the world.

Posted by: Someguy at December 04, 2018 02:53 PM (t849v)

232 Jesus was gay you know.

Posted by: Revelations of Gay St.John Who Layed On Jesus' Breast at December 04, 2018 02:54 PM (EATOD)

233 Woman stalks her rapist, knocks him out, zip ties him to bed, then uses a vegetable peeler on his cock and balls.

https://t.co/PHRPi8YT7z

Posted by: bonhomme at December 04, 2018 02:54 PM (9qZ3S)

234 199 I wonder what percentage of straight seminarians are driven off by the gay culture at seminaries. While a gay purge may initially reduce the number of priests and bishops, it may eventually allow the numbers to grow.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 04, 2018 02:49 PM (/qEW2)

Anecdotally (this is third hand, so I can't vouch for it), but one of my dads friends sons, was considering becoming a priest at one point. I guess they do some kind of "come hang out at the seminary and see if this is your thing" kind of thing, he went, and was shocked at what he saw there. Namely, a culture of what he saw as drinking and homosexuality.

So he decided to not become a priest.

Again, not how true it is, but his dad told a mutual friend about it, who told my dad, who told me, so I tend to believe it.

The family was super catholic, and I have to imagine they wouldn't want to make the Church look bad so no one made a big deal about it.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 02:54 PM (GBteo)

235 Well, that depends on what the definition of "birth control" is, no? Does pulling out count as birth control? "OOPS!! I missed...."
Posted by: Sponge at December 04, 2018 02:51 PM (F4u7C)


The Church encouraged that, and of course the rhythm method. By birth control meant artificial means.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 04, 2018 02:54 PM (YqDXo)

236 Yea, and how many people who were "born" gay have sexual abuse in their history?

I really do think a lot of gay people wouldn't have become gay had they not been molested.

The stats really scream there is some connection there.
Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2018 02:51 PM (UfkIY)

---------------

Sadly, true. Milo has talked about this.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 04, 2018 02:54 PM (ffYR/)

237 224 Yea, and how many people who were "born" gay have sexual abuse in their history?

==

MZBs daughter talks about this in her book The Last Closet

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at December 04, 2018 02:54 PM (XZ3Gp)

238 Robert 'Beto' O'Rourke At 7% In Polls Seen As A Top Democrat Contender In 2020
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 04, 2018 02:46 PM (+y/Ru)

The HispaMick will get DRUG by Trump. Let his dumbass run.
Posted by: Sponge at December 04, 2018 02:47 PM (F4u7C)

The Democrats are fantasizing that , because of his strong showing against Cruz, he can turn Texas blue in 2020. If he can, it's "Game Over."

Posted by: The Clash at December 04, 2018 02:54 PM (NFEMn)

239 Pederasts OK though?

No! That's right out.

Poulterasty is ok, but only after 11:00 PM.

Posted by: Roland THTG at December 04, 2018 02:54 PM (88+cf)

240 I sometimes wonder had Catholics not embraced this phony celibate life that priests have to pretend to live, there probably would no be so many homosexuals and pedophiles that went into that line of work.

--

This "phony celibate life" has been around for centuries. During that time, the overwhelming majority of priests have lived holy, celibate lives.

There are lots of non-clergy who are forced to live without sex. I doubt they're off diddling teenage boys as a result.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 02:37 PM (BWL+E)

I have the suspicion that all manner of sexual sins were significantly less prominent historically than they are now. In modern times, we have the confluence of a culture that promotes sexual promiscuity as a good thing, free and easy access to pornography, and a population with significantly more free time than than they ever had in the past.

I'm sure that a peasant boy working the fields in Medieval Europe had the same urges that I did growing up, but he was working 12 hours of manual labor each day, whereas I had Pornhub.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 04, 2018 02:55 PM (KUaJL)

241 "If the priest never owned the property to begin with, there'd be nothing for the kids to inherit.
Posted by: rickb223"


Sure, but that was probably a more difficult issue to deal with in, say, 600 AD.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 04, 2018 02:55 PM (OD2ni)

242 Jane,

I voted first thing this morning. Third in line; 12 people behind me. My husband is voting sometime during the day.

Posted by: Brunnhilde at December 04, 2018 02:55 PM (aW5/6)

243 232
Jesus was gay you know.

Posted by: Revelations of Gay St.John Who Layed On Jesus' Breast at December 04, 2018 02:54 PM (EATOD)
Now who could have seen that coming.
Oh, wait.

Posted by: John Calvin at December 04, 2018 02:55 PM (37IEG)

244 Obviously this has nothing to do with the thread or the comments, but class is class.



Bob Dole paying his respect to Bush.

=================

Oh my, that is really moving. I salute you, Senator Dole.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Moar Coffee at December 04, 2018 02:56 PM (LISuA)

245 Didn't Bob Dole take his Viagra?

Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 02:56 PM (bQtop)

246 233 Woman stalks her rapist, knocks him out, zip ties him to bed, then uses a vegetable peeler on his cock and balls.

https://t.co/PHRPi8YT7z
Posted by: bonhomme at December 04, 2018 02:54 PM (9qZ3S)


I think The View has their next replacement co-host.

Posted by: Roy at December 04, 2018 02:56 PM (9rXxD)

247 "Woman stalks her rapist, knocks him out, zip ties him to bed, then uses a vegetable peeler on his cock and balls.

https://t.co/PHRPi8YT7z
Posted by: bonhomme"


I hope she gets Buford Pusser's jury.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 04, 2018 02:56 PM (OD2ni)

248 >>233 Woman stalks her rapist, knocks him out, zip ties him to bed, then uses a vegetable peeler on his cock and balls.

The Girl With The Vegetable-Peeler Tattoo

Posted by: Zod at December 04, 2018 02:56 PM (Bdeb0)

249 BETO/OSSOFF 2020!

Posted by: tu3031 at December 04, 2018 02:57 PM (sf1AO)

250 Zod - I appreciate the explanation.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 02:57 PM (NWiLs)

251 Posted by: bonhomme at December 04, 2018 02:54 PM (9qZ3S)

wow, what a story! Can we farm her out to take care of the pedo priests?

Posted by: kallisto at December 04, 2018 02:57 PM (DJFLF)

252 OT: Why in all the Hells would the RNC hire Crowdstrike as its cyber-security firm? A wholly owned DNC company connected to the worst actors in the 'muh Russia' saga? That Crowdstrike?

Who then failed to detect a successful hacking (was it a hacking or Crowdstrike putting in a backdoor? The world wonders!) of 4 top RNCC aides prior to the start of the 2018 election season. The intrusion was detected by a secondary vendor.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at December 04, 2018 02:57 PM (BMw+g)

253 The Democrats are fantasizing that , because of his strong showing against Cruz, he can turn Texas blue in 2020. If he can, it's "Game Over."
Posted by: The Clash at December 04, 2018 02:54 PM (NFEMn)


And that boggled my mind, honestly. How can a voting public that OVERWHELMINGLY voted for strong conservative Greg Abbott for Governor pull the lever for for the feauxican? I get there was some ramifications to Cruz because of the RNC, but still......

Posted by: Sponge at December 04, 2018 02:57 PM (F4u7C)

254 Don't get me wrong, I like the pedo commies gay priests and the bishops that enable all this bullshit less than anyone. See my comment about having a smaller more faithful church. I hate what the RCC has become and what it has tolerated. We need a pope and bishops that are willing to clean house and throw out the trash.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at December 04, 2018 02:57 PM (0OmEj)

255 What if gay priests only fuck other gay priests?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 04, 2018 02:57 PM (beTd0)

256 re: gay people "groomed" in to the "lifestyle."

It's possible.

It seems to be openly accepted that child molesters were often themselves molested as children.

So if a persons first sexual encounter is homosexual...

I don't know. Maybe.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 02:58 PM (GBteo)

257 Yea, and how many people who were "born" gay have sexual abuse in their history?

I really do think a lot of gay people wouldn't have become gay had they not been molested.

The stats really scream there is some connection there.
Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2018 02:51 PM (UfkIY)


Yep. Consider the implications of that observation, assuming it's true.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 04, 2018 02:58 PM (YqDXo)

258 >>250 Zod - I appreciate the explanation.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 02:57 PM (NWiLs)

Your gratitude is acceptable.

Posted by: Zod at December 04, 2018 02:58 PM (Bdeb0)

259 233 Woman stalks her rapist, knocks him out, zip ties him to bed, then uses a vegetable peeler on his cock and balls.

Don't worry. The male body has a way of rejecting such advances if he's not willing.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 04, 2018 02:58 PM (KUaJL)

260 >>233 Woman stalks her rapist, knocks him out, zip ties him to bed, then uses a vegetable peeler on his cock and balls.

I've been to Conway, SC. They say Myrtle Beach is the asshole of the Earth and Conway is 20 miles up it.

Posted by: Roy at December 04, 2018 02:58 PM (9rXxD)

261 Another OT - all the recent fluctuations in the market have left my 401k about .06% leaner.

Posted by: kallisto at December 04, 2018 02:58 PM (DJFLF)

262 Some were told that the violation was happenning to them because "I can tell you're gay, you like this."
What's a five year old supposed to think for the rest of his life, especially if the abuse is repeated over time?


I have nephews who were molested by an older boy. The molester's parent's friend network closed ranks around him and lied for him in court proceedings. They also attacked the victim's father and said HE must have been the one molesting my nephews, and the boys were making it up to protect the father.

The molester got off with nothing but a restraining order.

Since then, the molester went on to molest someone else. The prosecuting attorney was VERY interested to talk to my in-laws about their experience, especially the part about the parents friend network helping cover up the previous crimes.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 04, 2018 02:58 PM (9qZ3S)

263 Historically priests banged whores, not men. The homo problem is both modern and regional. The US also has the vast majority of yhe world's annulments all by itself(and a small portion of the Catholic population). If doctrine were the problem, it wouldn't manifest in a predominantly localized fashion.

Posted by: Someguy at December 04, 2018 02:58 PM (t849v)

264 The RCC needs to allow married men to become priests. There's no other way. That will piss off the entrenched Roman Curia--as well as upset Super Conservative Catholics who don't believe doctrine should change. But where would they go? Nowhere.

It won't be easy and it will cause a schism but enough this this gay nonsense.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 04, 2018 02:59 PM (NFEMn)

265 There is definitely a double standard. Even regarding marriage, most people would think opposite-sex partners who sleep around don't have much of a marriage. Didn't they vow to "forsake all others"? But if the partners are both male and they both sleep around, how dare you think that is not much of a marriage!

Posted by: Emmie at December 04, 2018 02:59 PM (4HMW8)

266 >>264 The RCC needs to allow married men to become priests.

Or make the gay compulsory for membership, just to clear up any confusing ambiguity.

Posted by: Zod at December 04, 2018 03:00 PM (Bdeb0)

267 Bob Dole is a piece of shit globalist just like Bush 41 was, rip I guess

Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 03:00 PM (bQtop)

268 The molester's parent's friend network closed ranks around him and lied for him in court proceedings.
I believe we have identified the source of the kid who molested your nephew's problem. He was the victim of a pedo network.

Posted by: kallisto at December 04, 2018 03:00 PM (DJFLF)

269 The RCC needs to allow married men to become priests. There's no other way. That will piss off the entrenched Roman Curia--as well as upset Super Conservative Catholics who don't believe doctrine should change. But where would they go? Nowhere.

It won't be easy and it will cause a schism but enough this this gay nonsense.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 04, 2018 02:59 PM (NFEMn)


Ackshullly, the Super Conservative Catholics know that an unmarried priesthood isn't doctrine.

But they were pissed off about the NO mass, and that wasn't a change in doctrine either, so your larger point stands.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 04, 2018 03:01 PM (KUaJL)

270 >>259 233 Woman stalks her rapist, knocks him out, zip ties him to bed, then uses a vegetable peeler on his cock and balls.
Don't worry. The male body has a way of rejecting such advances if he's not willing.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 04, 2018 02:58 PM (KUaJL)

Yep--nothing more absurd than watching an angry woman trying to vegetable-peel Jell-O.

Posted by: Zod at December 04, 2018 03:01 PM (Bdeb0)

271 Woman stalks her rapist...

___

That woman should be in jail!

Posted by: Bill Clinton at December 04, 2018 03:01 PM (eSx+E)

272
What the laity should expect from the Church:

1) Priests who keep their hands to themselves.

2) A hierarchy made up of the best people for the job. That is, not some bishop's hatchet man, fixer or catamite. It's said that you don't rise in the hierarchy, you're pulled.

3) Donations of the faithful used judiciously and wisely.

4) Clear doctrine clearly put.

Speaking as an observant Catholic, I'd say we're lacking in all of these right now. It's not Catholic bashing to say so. This is an administrative problem, not a doctrinal one, so we ordinary pew-sitters should get a say.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 03:01 PM (BWL+E)

273 Unless you want to start seeing churches supporting the priests 50 kids, not a solution.
Posted by: Sponge


Oh, no! Having a model family at the center of a church. How horrid!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 04, 2018 03:01 PM (7TCRf)

274 Historically priests banged whores, not men.

Aw hell.Holy Sex Robots!
Why didn't anyone think of that????

Posted by: Roland THTG at December 04, 2018 03:02 PM (88+cf)

275 I'm not so quick to write off Beto, the guy came within like 2 points of knocking off Ted Cruz in Texas.

Obviously he's a lightweight, but I wouldn't want Trump to go up against him.

Much rather have Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Bernie Sanders, etc.

Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2018 03:02 PM (UfkIY)

276 -as well as upset Super Conservative Catholics

***

Presumably the SCCs know that clerical marriage predates clerical celibacy.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2018 03:02 PM (eSx+E)

277 The solution is plain: Eunuch clergy.

Posted by: Zod at December 04, 2018 03:02 PM (Bdeb0)

278 I don't see any way back for the Catholic church. I mean, people can propose reform ideas but as a practical matter, I don't see any of it ever happening.

Posted by: Brewdog at December 04, 2018 03:03 PM (oNFAg)

279 I think Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy has some application to the RCC has well.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 03:03 PM (NWiLs)

280 Can you imagine any private organization in the country doing what the RCC is known to have done - to say nothing of what is merely suspected - still existing?
Because, seriously, I cannot.

Posted by: DocJ at December 04, 2018 03:03 PM (NYS7S)

281 What if gay priests only fuck other gay priests?

*sing-song*
BOOO-riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!

Posted by: Effusively Gay Catholic Priest at December 04, 2018 03:04 PM (9qZ3S)

282 The RCC needs to allow married men to become priests. There's no other way. That will piss off the entrenched Roman Curia--as well as upset Super Conservative Catholics who don't believe doctrine should change. But where would they go? Nowhere.

It won't be easy and it will cause a schism but enough this this gay nonsense.
Posted by: JoeF.


Again. The Anglican Church has similar problems, and they've ALWAYS allowed marriage.

And that doesn't begin to explain public school systems.

I realize the diference between bashing the problem and the heirarchy and 'Catholic bashing'.

But this incessant harping on marriage misses the point.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 04, 2018 03:04 PM (Z04f8)

283 280 Can you imagine any private organization in the country doing what the RCC is known to have done - to say nothing of what is merely suspected - still existing?
Because, seriously, I cannot.
Posted by: DocJ at December 04, 2018 03:03 PM (NYS7S)


Ahem.

Posted by: Hollywood Faggot Local 666 at December 04, 2018 03:04 PM (YqDXo)

284 If the French hold their ground and deal a killing blow to the globalist government in Paris, I'll swear off ripping on them for a whole year.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 04, 2018 03:05 PM (AzW6q)

285 226
We have had a couple of different priests from Africa come and stay at
our parish during the summertime. One was from Nigeria and the other
from Kenya.



they were super conservative and loyal to the old Mother Church.
LOVED hearing their homilies. They adhere to none of the SJW bs and
wouldn't bend a millimeter on abortion, birth control or adultery.





Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2018 02:53 PM (d7Ww2)

We currently have one Nigerian priest as our Associate pastor. We have had others from Africa as well - and they were fantastic priests.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 04, 2018 03:05 PM (jxbfJ)

286 This is going to make him very unpopular.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 04, 2018 03:05 PM (Y79kJ)

287 1. So far the dominant suggestion here seems to be that we need to get homos wives
2. Not sure how this would be defined or achieved.
3. Ultimately this is all handled locally. I imagine there are typical inefficiencies of scale as it heads up the chain but I'm not aware of this being a major problem.
4. Catechism is clear, whether or not Catholic teachings are relayed correctly is an entirely different matter. Priests do their own thing and the American priesthood is pretty leftist.

Posted by: Someguy at December 04, 2018 03:05 PM (t849v)

288 I have nephews who were molested by an older boy. The molester's parent's friend network closed ranks around him and lied for him in court proceedings.

Posted by: bonhomme


Touch my grandson, and I don't care who tries to lie for them. That's just another hole I'll have to dig.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2018 03:05 PM (c3AZU)

289
If the priest never owned the property to begin with, there'd be nothing for the kids to inherit.
Posted by: rickb223


The younger sons of wealthy families in Europe often became priests because their prospects were curbed by the older siblings. Consequentially those priests did have a lot of money and did sometimes inherit a shitton of money and property.

After celibacy became require, that inheritance went to the church.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 04, 2018 03:05 PM (7TCRf)

290 283
280 Can you imagine any private organization in the country doing
what the RCC is known to have done - to say nothing of what is merely
suspected - still existing?

Because, seriously, I cannot.

Posted by: DocJ at December 04, 2018 03:03 PM (NYS7S)



Ahem.

Posted by: Hollywood Faggot Local 666 at December 04, 2018 03:04 PM (YqDXo)

#METOO

Posted by: Jeff Epstein and Clinton Cabal at December 04, 2018 03:06 PM (jxbfJ)

291 @267


There's no call for that, no call at all.


Any other day, perhaps, but not today.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 04, 2018 03:06 PM (2JcMg)

292 As has probably already been noted in the previous comments, this guy will occasionally say a word or two authentically Catholic just to throw his critics off his scent, and to appease his conservative followers. Trouble is, he's made this move too many times before and no one who has been paying attention is fooled anymore.

Posted by: Pete in Texas at December 04, 2018 03:06 PM (2RBkF)

293
Posted by: Hollywood Faggot Local 666 at December 04, 2018 03:04 PM (YqDXo)

Sorry, the RCC makes Pedowood seem like pikers in comparison.

Posted by: DocJ at December 04, 2018 03:06 PM (NYS7S)

294 This is going to make him very unpopular.
Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 04, 2018 03:05 PM (Y79kJ)

------

He's a good soldier in the global fight for Marxist domination.

The media and gay groups will let this slide.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 04, 2018 03:06 PM (AzW6q)

295 280 Can you imagine any private organization in the country doing what the RCC is known to have done - to say nothing of what is merely suspected - still existing?
Because, seriously, I cannot.
Posted by: DocJ at December 04, 2018 03:03 PM (NYS7S)


"You asked for a miracle, I give you the DNC"

Posted by: Iblis at December 04, 2018 03:07 PM (9221z)

296 in latest interview, Camille Paglia calls Lizzy Warren 'screechy', Cory Booker 'has the gravitas of a cork' and says Andrew Cuomo is a' yapping puppy'

She says Dems dont stand a chance if economy stays strong in 2020

http://tinyurl.com/ydedmur4

Posted by: McCool at December 04, 2018 03:07 PM (Izjjo)

297 The reformer of the Catholic Church won't be named Brad, that I'm sure of

Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 03:07 PM (bQtop)

298 "there are a lot of actively sexual gay priests in the Church."

Really? You know this how? Do you have some special knowledge you are using to make this supposition? Because frankly, I attend church, follow doctrine and actually proactive the religion.
You're generally a fair, intellectual and thoughtful person. But I am a little tired of the speculation dressed up as the truth. You would be the first to call that out, btw.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 04, 2018 03:07 PM (VpIIl)

299 Sorry, the RCC makes Pedowood seem like pikers in comparison.
Posted by: DocJ at December 04, 2018 03:06 PM (NYS7S)

------

Close as I can tell, they're about the same (except in the case of H'wood, law enforcement also protects them).

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 04, 2018 03:07 PM (AzW6q)

300 210 Calling out the corrupt, evil, predator shitbags in the Catholic hierarchy isn't "Catholic bashing."
Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 02:50 PM (NWiLs)

exactly

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 04, 2018 03:07 PM (0O7c5)

301 I'm not so quick to write off Beto, the guy came within like 2 points of knocking off Ted Cruz in Texas.

Obviously he's a lightweight, but I wouldn't want Trump to go up against him.

Much rather have Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Bernie Sanders, etc.
Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2018 03:02 PM (UfkIY)

---------------

If the Dems nominate Blotto, this would indicate that they know they have no shot for 2020. He would be a sacrificial candidate, IMO.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 04, 2018 03:07 PM (ffYR/)

302
MZBs daughter talks about this in her book The Last Closet

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at December 04, 2018 02:54 PM (XZ3Gp)

===================

Vox Day, in his moving forward to Moira Greyland's book about her childhood:


Her story is more than a triumph of the human spirit,,more than a tale of survival, and more than a devastating indictment of a
seriously depraved community. It is an inspiration to everyone,
particularly for anyone who has ever been subjected to abuse or
ill-treatment as a child.


Moira's message is clear: they can hurt you, they can harm you, and they can leave you with scars that last a lifetime, but they cannot touch your soul.
Their sins are not your sins and their shame is not your shame. And
there is a light that is always waiting to heal those who summon the
strength to walk out of the last closet and turn their back on the
darkness inside it.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Moar Coffee at December 04, 2018 03:07 PM (LISuA)

303 "Can you imagine any private organization in the country doing what the RCC is known to have done - to say nothing of what is merely suspected - still existing?
Because, seriously, I cannot.
Posted by: DocJ"


First, the Church did not do anything. Awful men inside it did awful things. The Church and the Sacraments remain true, regardless of what awful men did.

Second, Planned Parenthood and its ilk would like nothing more than for the Church to disappear.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 04, 2018 03:08 PM (OD2ni)

304 296 in latest interview, Camille Paglia calls Lizzy Warren 'screechy', Cory Booker 'has the gravitas of a cork' and says Andrew Cuomo is a' yapping puppy'

She says Dems dont stand a chance if economy stays strong in 2020

http://tinyurl.com/ydedmur4
Posted by: McCool at December 04, 2018 03:07 PM (Izjjo)

When does the cork riot start?

Posted by: Northernlurker being f'n insufferable at December 04, 2018 03:08 PM (MkcN1)

305 Sorry, the RCC makes Pedowood seem like pikers in comparison.
Posted by: DocJ at December 04, 2018 03:06 PM (NYS7S)


The Public School System just said; "Here, hold my beer"

Posted by: Iblis at December 04, 2018 03:09 PM (9221z)

306 304 296 in latest interview, Camille Paglia calls Lizzy Warren 'screechy', Cory Booker 'has the gravitas of a cork' and says Andrew Cuomo is a' yapping puppy'

She says Dems dont stand a chance if economy stays strong in 2020

http://tinyurl.com/ydedmur4
Posted by: McCool at December 04, 2018 03:07 PM (Izjjo)

When does the cork riot start?
Posted by: Northernlurker being f'n insufferable at December 04, 2018 03:08 PM (MkcN1)

Farging ice-hole cork-soakers.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 03:09 PM (NWiLs)

307 As a Jew I am staying out of this

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 04, 2018 03:09 PM (bim/x)

308 The Cathars - mentioned above - were filthy Christ-hating gnostics. Fire and sword was too good for them but sufficed. Have you considered the possibility that evil that laughs in your face might need stronger measures than some dainty reforms?

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 04, 2018 03:09 PM (bxu2Y)

309 1. So far the dominant suggestion here seems to be that we need to get homos wives
2. Not sure how this would be defined or achieved.


Obviously that wouldn't work. Getting homos wives won't make them normal.

The problem with homo priests is that they're in a position of social and moral authority, and have access to young boys. Allowing priests to marry would at least dilute out the homo contingent in the priesthood, and make it more difficult to bury instances of pederasty.

Just as having more conservatives in, e.g., Hollywood and the media would make it more difficult for the Reds to bury instances of their malfeasance.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 04, 2018 03:09 PM (YqDXo)

310 307 As a Jew I am staying out of this
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 04, 2018 03:09 PM (bim/x)

Don't you have weather-control duty today anyway?

Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 03:09 PM (NWiLs)

311 Again. The Anglican Church has similar problems, and they've ALWAYS allowed marriage.

And that doesn't begin to explain public school systems.

I realize the diference between bashing the problem and the heirarchy and 'Catholic bashing'.

But this incessant harping on marriage misses the point.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 04, 2018 03:04 PM (Z04f

a) certain people are drawn to certain lines of work that put them around children.

b) vulnerable teenagers putting their trust / whatever in an older person in a completely innocent way can be misread by that older person (thus, the public school teachers almost always say "yeah, but he was totally the aggressor!" Yeah... maybe. But I think it's more likely that 28 year old teacher got way more attention and adulation from 15 year old male student then she did from guys her own age, and misread that as sexual interest)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:10 PM (GBteo)

312 1. So far the dominant suggestion here seems to be that we need to get homos wives
2. Not sure how this would be defined or achieved.
3. Ultimately this is all handled locally. I imagine there are typical inefficiencies of scale as it heads up the chain but I'm not aware of this being a major problem.
4. Catechism is clear, whether or not Catholic teachings are relayed correctly is an entirely different matter. Priests do their own thing and the American priesthood is pretty leftist.
Posted by: Someguy


You're kind of missing the main point that those that become priests are less likely to be hetero because of men's natural inclination to get married and have kids.

It's not so much that the homosexual priests need to get married, it's that the church needs more hetero men.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 04, 2018 03:10 PM (7TCRf)

313 290 283
280 Can you imagine any private organization in the country doing
what the RCC is known to have done - to say nothing of what is merely
suspected - still existing?

Because, seriously, I cannot.

Posted by: DocJ


HOW ABOUT THE FUCKING PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM?

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2018 03:10 PM (d7Ww2)

314 307 As a Jew I am staying out of this
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 04, 2018 03:09 PM (bim/x)


Nah. Weigh in. You're entitled.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 04, 2018 03:10 PM (YqDXo)

315 I believe we have identified the source of the kid who molested your nephew's problem. He was the victim of a pedo network.

Maybe.
I think it's probable the parents are good people who don't want to believe their kid could do such a thing, and got it in their heads the accusations were a witch hunt. They reach out to their friends, who are mostly well-meaning, but willing to lie to cover up things that "look bad, and could be misinterpreted by malicious people".

Posted by: bonhomme at December 04, 2018 03:10 PM (9qZ3S)

316 "The solution is plain: Eunuch clergy.
Posted by: Zod"


Sorry, I'm not Catholic.

Posted by: Bill Kristol at December 04, 2018 03:11 PM (OD2ni)

317 You're kind of missing the main point that those that become priests are less likely to be hetero because of men's natural inclination to get married and have kids.

It's not so much that the homosexual priests need to get married, it's that the church needs more hetero men.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 04, 2018 03:10 PM (7TCRf)


This.

Thank you. You made my point much more cogently and succinctly than I did.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 04, 2018 03:11 PM (YqDXo)

318 new post

Posted by: Insomniac at December 04, 2018 03:12 PM (NWiLs)

319 Really? You know this how? Do you have some special knowledge you are using to make this supposition? Because frankly, I attend church, follow doctrine and actually proactive the religion.
You're generally a fair, intellectual and thoughtful person. But I am a little tired of the speculation dressed up as the truth. You would be the first to call that out, btw.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 04, 2018 03:07 PM (VpIIl)

Well, the many many hundreds of church files from PA that a PA grand jury went through and collated and recently released would seem to indicate that "many sexually active gay priests" is a fair thing to say.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:12 PM (GBteo)

320 >>Woman stalks her rapist, knocks him out, zip ties him to bed, then uses a vegetable peeler on his cock and balls.



Uh...am I the only one who finds that disturbing?Maybe it's a few years of seeing feminists redefine rape down to the point that a random ass-grab from a decade ago, or regret sex with an ex, that this may not be such an "empowering" idea.

We have police and the courts - use them, not your college administrator or a peeler to find justice.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2018 03:12 PM (W+vEI)

321 So there's no gay Jewish priests?

Posted by: Tinfolbaby at December 04, 2018 03:12 PM (bQtop)

322 Sorry, I'm not Catholic.
Posted by: Bill Kristol at December 04, 2018 03:11 PM (OD2ni)

-------

Yeah... to be priest in the Church of Cuck, you've gotta be married. To a wonderful, sensual lady.

Posted by: Pope Paolo I at December 04, 2018 03:12 PM (AzW6q)

323 "307 As a Jew I am staying out of this

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 04, 2018 03:09 PM (bim/x)"

Read Rabbi Rosenberg's revealing of the systemic sexual abuse of children in NY Jewish institutions. Because apparently nobody else has.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 04, 2018 03:13 PM (VpIIl)

324 Now consider a related issue: allowing homosexual scoutmasters. Isn't the BSA going in the wrong direction with that?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 04, 2018 03:13 PM (YqDXo)

325 b) vulnerable teenagers putting their trust / whatever in an older person in a completely innocent way can be misread by that older person (thus, the public school teachers almost always say "yeah, but he was totally the aggressor!" Yeah... maybe. But I think it's more likely that 28 year old teacher got way more attention and adulation from 15 year old male student then she did from guys her own age, and misread that as sexual interest)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

I'm also wondering what, if any, part is played by hormones, pheremones, whatever.

If he 'adult' has a shaky grasp on maturity and restraint, and is in multiple rooms full of teenage boys, could that play some part in what we've been hearing about female teenagers?

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 04, 2018 03:13 PM (Z04f8)

326 The Church would do well to kick out all the practicing Marxists as well...

starting with Frances himself.

Posted by: redc1c4 at December 04, 2018 03:13 PM (xPNLF)

327 307 As a Jew I am staying out of this
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 04, 2018 03:09 PM (bim/x)


Its ok, you can join in the fun. If a few more of you guys had gotten in on the ground floor, Catholics would just be another sect of Judaism instead of a whole new religion. And if you become Catholic, you get "Perfected" or "Completed" while the rest of us goyim just get "adopted".

Posted by: Iblis at December 04, 2018 03:13 PM (9221z)

328 You can't watch that video of Bob Dole being lifted up off his wheelchair to salute --with his largely useless left arm--Bush, a fellow WW2 vet without there being dust in the room.

It won't be long before all these guys are gone.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 04, 2018 03:13 PM (NFEMn)

329 Ace, this isn't what you think it is. Those are just words he'll never act on to give his faction cover.

The inner council of Francis has more than a few pervs who blow church money on the fundaments of gay whores, like ++Coccopalmerio. ++Maradiaga has a catamite seminary in the Honduras.

Posted by: theCork at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (hbAdE)

330 >> So there's no gay Jewish priests?



IIRC, Sarah Silverman's lesbian sister is a rabbi?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (W+vEI)

331 "After celibacy became required, that inheritance went to the church."

There ya go, there's the church's motivation to require celibacy.........

Posted by: flyover at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (aUHJk)

332 Uh...am I the only one who finds that disturbing?Maybe it's a few years of seeing feminists redefine rape down to the point that a random ass-grab from a decade ago, or regret sex with an ex, that this may not be such an "empowering" idea.

We have police and the courts - use them, not your college administrator or a peeler to find justice.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2018 03:12 PM (W+vEI)


This.

What if she's mistaken, and this wasn't the perpetrator? It's not like that's never happened.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (YqDXo)

333 330 >> So there's no gay Jewish priests?



IIRC, Sarah Silverman's lesbian sister is a rabbi?
Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (W+vEI)


There was a French Jewish Cardinal. That count?

Posted by: Iblis at December 04, 2018 03:14 PM (9221z)

334
You're kind of missing the main point that those that become priests are less likely to be hetero because of men's natural inclination to get married and have kids.

It's not so much that the homosexual priests need to get married, it's that the church needs more hetero men.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 04, 2018 03:10 PM (7TCRf)

That could make recruitment easier but that doesn't explain the homosexual infiltration or address how to discover and oust the lavender mafia.

A filter may be a better approach if awkward. See if a woman can get them aroused. I see the celibacy discussion as more of a red herring, especially considering how much effort and time would be required to make such a change. We might well spend a decade doing that and then find the problem just as bad if not worse.

Posted by: Someguy at December 04, 2018 03:15 PM (t849v)

335 If the Dems nominate Blotto, this would indicate that they know they have no shot for 2020. He would be a sacrificial candidate, IMO.
Posted by: Calm Mentor

__________________

Maybe, but that doesn't mean he can't win.

I honestly think Beto is WAY more electable than the more established Democrat frontrunners.

Female voters are really stupid, you get a "not ugly" younger guy in the mix and watch a lot of suburban Republican women jump ship.

Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2018 03:15 PM (UfkIY)

336 "Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 04, 2018 03:12 PM (GBteo)
"

How about bullshit. First of all the Catholic Church is much larger that what is mentioned in that documentation. To extrapolate that into some kind of endemic issue is a stretch to say the least. That by the way is not to say what is demonstrably true isn't terrible and should not only result in excommunication, but jail time.
By the way, it's funny how this place screams for due process all the time, yet when the church is involved every second hand, or particularly incredulous accusation is all of a sudden "factual".

*makes jerking motion with hand*

Posted by: Marcus T at December 04, 2018 03:16 PM (VpIIl)

337 And the way this used to work was the oldest son inherited the lands, the second son went to the military and the third son became a priest. The Church has always had a fair amount of priests that weren't particularly religious.

My late husband was in the Maryknoll seminary when he was 13, back in the 60s. And he talked about homosexuals in the seminary then.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 04, 2018 03:17 PM (Lqy/e)

338 You're kind of missing the main point that those that become priests are less likely to be hetero because of men's natural inclination to get married and have kids.
-------------------------------------------------------------------

I'll quibble a bit on the idea that men have a natural inclination to "get married."
They do want to bang as many chicks as possible though in order to best assure they spread their seed.....

Posted by: JoeF. at December 04, 2018 03:17 PM (NFEMn)

339 Paul in the Bible also says it is better not to marry. There are reasons mundane and theological. It doesn't cause people to turn gay though so the greater concern should probably be how the mass infiltration occurred. The Jesuits are another example of an originally meritorious organization becoming thoroughly corrupted.
Posted by: Someguy at December 04, 2018 02:31 PM (t849v)


"It is better" does not amount to a prohibition. Also Paul indicates in the pastorals that the usual case will be for ministers to be married. If you assume something to be the case that's an implicit assertion that it is permitted. Of course Catholics aren't bound by sola scriptura, so they wouldn't regard nullifying an implicit rule is a theological error. Pragmatically though, it seems reasonable married seminarians or priests could help change the culture. Gay priests might start to behave themselves more in the presence of straight families.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (/qEW2)

340 Really? You know this how? Do you have some special knowledge you are using to make this supposition? Because frankly, I attend church, follow doctrine and actually proactive the religion.
You're generally a fair, intellectual and thoughtful person. But I am a little tired of the speculation dressed up as the truth. You would be the first to call that out, btw.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 04, 2018 03:07 PM (VpIIl)

Well, the many many hundreds of church files from PA that a PA grand jury went through and collated and recently released would seem to indicate that "many sexually active gay priests" is a fair thing to say.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

_____________

How many heterosexual men sexually molest boys?

Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (UfkIY)

341 Priest @ communion.....taste my wafer.....and go without sin my child.........

child?...woz that the body @ semen of christ knows wot!!!




I condemn maself 3 hail gaymarys & 5 our butt-Fathers.....

Posted by: saf at December 04, 2018 03:20 PM (5IHGB)

342 313 290 283
280 Can you imagine any private organization in the country doing
what the RCC is known to have done - to say nothing of what is merely
suspected - still existing?

Because, seriously, I cannot.

Posted by: DocJ


HOW ABOUT THE FUCKING PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM?

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 04, 2018 03:10 PM (d7Ww2)

Not. Even. Close.

Posted by: DocJ at December 04, 2018 03:21 PM (NYS7S)

343 Well, the many many hundreds of church files from PA that a PA grand jury went through and collated and recently released would seem to indicate that "many sexually active gay priests" is a fair thing to say.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

_____________

How many heterosexual men sexually molest boys?

Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (UfkIY)

None.
It's gay priests, pure and simple.
Also, the vast majority of the prey are NOT "little boys", but post-pubescent young men--many ( not all) with gay tendencies themselves. They are often confused young men who are taken advantage of by a gay scumbag with a collar--but many of them are gay.
A

Posted by: JoeF. at December 04, 2018 03:22 PM (NFEMn)

344 "It is better" does not amount to a prohibition. Also Paul indicates in the pastorals that the usual case will be for ministers to be married. If you assume something to be the case that's an implicit assertion that it is permitted. Of course Catholics aren't bound by sola scriptura, so they wouldn't regard nullifying an implicit rule is a theological error. Pragmatically though, it seems reasonable married seminarians or priests could help change the culture. Gay priests might start to behave themselves more in the presence of straight families.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (/qEW2)
Its really more of a policy decision. The Sola Scriptura thing has more to do with Apostolic teaching(the Protestant tradition is that extrabiblical traditions and teachings were not taught by the Apostles) and some things the Catholic Church asserts the Apostles taught but were not assembled as part of Scripture(rites, rituals, and about Mary being the big examples).

Posted by: Someguy at December 04, 2018 03:26 PM (t849v)

345 @30 He's really, really trying to wiggle his way out of this. ANY sexual activity has to be punished, severely, or else go the Orthodox way and allow marriage. There's really no in between.
-----------------

Maybe. But the real problem area is actively homosexual priests. We're not hearing all that many stories about priests having sex with women or teenage girls. The stories that we keep hearing are about priests having sex with males. And I don't think allowing married priests will provide a fix for that specific problem.

Or if it does resolve the problem, it won't be for at least a couple of decades as the current bunch of priests gets rotated through and retires.

Posted by: junior at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (Fp6vo)

346 The solution is plain: Eunuch clergy.
=====

I think it was decided many years ago that eunuchs were not eligible for the priesthood. Like products of unmarried sex.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (MIKMs)

347 301
I'm not so quick to write off Beto, the guy came within like 2 points of knocking off Ted Cruz in Texas.



Obviously he's a lightweight, but I wouldn't want Trump to go up against him.



Much rather have Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Bernie Sanders, etc.

Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2018 03:02 PM (UfkIY)



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If the Dems nominate Blotto, this would indicate that they know they
have no shot for 2020. He would be a sacrificial candidate, IMO.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 04, 2018 03:07 PM (ffYR/)
We'll just see how viable a candidate he is when they find him naked with that skateboard shoved up his keister after he's shot himself 6 times in the back of the head with a bolt action rifle.
(after falling out of a window on to an exploding bomb in a hunting accident)

Posted by: Devious Hillary Clinton at December 04, 2018 03:27 PM (37IEG)

348 _____________



How many heterosexual men sexually molest boys?





Posted by: Blago at December 04, 2018 03:18 PM (UfkIY)
Boys, girls, women, men. Whenever Joey gets a cases of "the feelz" there's no telling who it will be. I'm just a free spirit.

Posted by: Joe Biden at December 04, 2018 03:29 PM (37IEG)

349 Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 04, 2018 02:30 PM (BWL+E)


Obviously I am biased here, but I think it is having a church that increasingly stands for nothing but progressive dogma is the problem along with the Holy Spirit. If you don't have anything that doesn't lift up Jesus and doesn't go against the culture of materialism and progressivism, what do you have? A society that increasingly embraces secularism and a political solution to everything. The woman minister in the UCof Canada doesn't believe in God nor anything in the bible She may have a full church (I don't know) and people may join for the fellowship and community, but it's not going to be on fire for Christ, if Jesus is some watered down figure. If everyone in the RCC clergy practiced celibacy would the RCC be growing by leaps and bounds in the US? I don't think so. The people need something to believe IN.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 04, 2018 03:29 PM (AllCR)

350 Not. Even. Close.


Far far worse, actually, but it doesn't fit the lefty media agenda or the union agenda to talk.

Posted by: dagny at December 04, 2018 03:30 PM (nRWPy)

351 How many heterosexual men sexually molest boys?

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In some cultures, all of them. Boys for 'fun' and women for dowries (money).

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 04, 2018 03:32 PM (MIKMs)

352 Meant "Along with taking seriously the work of the Holy Spirit and calling for revival". The Holy Spirit is not the problem; Not being aflame with it is.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 04, 2018 03:33 PM (AllCR)

353 To build on the analogy of corrupt police, one corrupt policeman is indeed not especially a problem. But as you look the other way, the message gets out that corruption is tolerated. You get more corrupt cops. Those corrupt cops get promoted. You let this go on for 50 years, and then decide you want to do something about it. Good luck.

That's the problem that has been allowed to fester since Vatican II, but on an international scale. Increasing "liberal" attitudes towards homosexuality (and everything else for that matter.) I was speaking to a priest I know recently and told him the leaders of the Church have become the liberal "I'm OK, you're OK" liberal Protestant ministers we used to ridicule.

Even if we had a Pope 100% committed to fixing the problem (which we don't), it would still be an intractable problem.

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at December 04, 2018 03:36 PM (Q7MNX)

354 Posted by: saf at December 04, 2018 03:20 PM (5IHGB)

It's great you feel comfortable enough to post but the first two lines were unintelligible.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 04, 2018 03:38 PM (AllCR)

355 @351 In some cultures, all of them. Boys for 'fun' and women for dowries (money).
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And women for heirs.

The version of that for cultures that frown on sex with boys is, "The mistress is for pleasure, and the wife is for an heir."

Posted by: junior at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (Fp6vo)

356 And that boggled my mind, honestly. How can a voting public that OVERWHELMINGLY voted for strong conservative Greg Abbott for Governor pull the lever for for the feauxican?

It almost defies belief, doesn't it, these inconsistencies?

Posted by: Brenda Snipes at December 04, 2018 03:43 PM (Ydn2k)

357 MZBs daughter talks about this in her book The Last Closet
Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at December 04, 2018 02:54 PM (XZ3Gp)

Darkover has disappeared, almost as if Coffman IV was caught in the event horizon of its star collapsing into a black hole.

Posted by: Fox2! at December 04, 2018 03:46 PM (/fp1w)

358 Francis amassed power by telling everyone exactly what they want to hear. Think Obama and the blank slate comment. Obama was bullshitting as well. He states what he thinks you want to hear but he acts markedly differently. Frank doesn't cotton to the homos. I like the cut of that man's jib. Maybe I misjudged him. Every action regarding priests and the homosexual agenda has been the exact opposite. We see James Martin spewing his bullshit. He encouraged the ascendancy of the Wuerls and the McCarricks. FFS he put a monseignor in charge of cleaning up the Vatican bank who was known to have coke and homo bashes ( not that it's a bad thing) and actually got stuck in an elevator with a callboy. Who is the indoor outdoor champ of sexual blackmail? Sure, Russia. But the mob is a close second. He isn't serious at all about cleaning up the lavender mafia. he punted on reforms for the US until february, even told those pole smokers to shitcan any discussion of reform until his report comes out in Feb. Delay and pray. Is short and long Francis is as full of shit as a Christmas turkey and is playing the straights that don't follow him too closely.

Posted by: Mac at December 04, 2018 04:26 PM (fOoQ8)

359 I was married for many years to a man who had been molested by monks in his private Catholic high school for boys. He never told anyone about it, not even his mother, for many years. She had literally scrubbed floors for him to attend, as they had very little money. Towards the end of his life, he told me, and hinted at it to his sisters and brother. When he suffered a heart attack and stroke, we thought he'd had brain damage as he raved about torture chambers and other odd things. Turns out, the monks took the boys to the basement, and it is there where they suffered molestation and worse. No, Francis, it didn't hurt my husband. We were unable to have a normal sex life for years and it tormented him until he lay on his death bed.Monsters.

Posted by: Your Friendly Neighborhood Witch at December 04, 2018 09:54 PM (6BOW3)

360 Posted by: Marcus T at December 04, 2018 03:07 PM (VpIIl)

See the recent Ruth Institute study:

https://
www.ruthinstitute.org/
ruth-speaks-out/
study-shows-high-correlation-between-homosexual-priests-clerical-abuse

Posted by: theCork at December 04, 2018 10:29 PM (8Oehh)

361 Dear Pope Francis:

Here's what you need to do to solve this issue.
1) Come to America.
2) Rent out a hotel in some central city - Chicago would be good (despite the weather) as there are plenty of angry Catholics who will support a solution to this issue.
3) Call every bishop to fly into Chicago and get a room. They are to bring with them any records they have about priestly behavior of this nature.
4) Interview them. Give all the records to law enforcement.
5) Defrock every one of them who knew about even one abusive priest and did not report him to law enforcement. It may be easier to just defrock them all, I don't know.
6) Release copies of the records to the public.
7) Tell the gay priests that if they are found to be non-celibate they will be defrocked. Public testimony will be invited.
Find a straight priest in each diocese and make them a bishop. Tell them to refuse to ordain homosexuals regardless of whether they are celibate or not.
9) Sell off properties to settle the lawsuits (in Boston, the successor to Cardinal Law, a monk who was also a priest, sold off the multi-acre Archbishop's residence to a college and got an apartment for that purpose).
10) Fly to Argentina/Spain/wherever else and go to 1.

Posted by: RonF at December 05, 2018 04:57 PM (l8nW6)

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