Gun Rights vs. The Rule Of Law: It Isn't So Simple

There are at least two completely unrelated issues in this article, and while both are important, to mix them up into this mishmash of platitudes and careful ignorance is a bit frustrating.

Jeff Sessions Left Behind a Record-Breaking Gun Prosecution Machine

On the evening of Nov. 30, 2015, Adarius Montrells Sims of Birmingham, Alabama, was driving his gold Grand Am home. Tired after hanging out all night, he fell asleep at the wheel. The car crashed, and medics found Sims unconscious. After the crash, a police officer peering into the wreck spotted a .40 caliber pistol on the passenger-side floorboard. Police ran Sims’s name and saw he had two prior marijuana possession convictions, a record that made that gun illegal in Alabama.

But Sims hadn’t hurt anyone and his record was nonviolent. So he was sent to a gun court rehabilitation program, paying fines, and taking classes on anger management. While taking part in the program, he met with a federal agent from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, who told him that he could still face federal charges despite the local gun program he was agreeing to.

I am sure Mr. Sims is a fine man, and aside from those two marijuana (the Left's sacrament) convictions he has never broken the law!

But we are a nation of Laws, and while is is certainly tempting to decry the excesses of the DOJ, the vast majority of gun owners DO obey the law, including me. I would feel a lot safer if I could carry a gun in New Jersey and New York (where I spend much of my time) but I can't because of the laws, however misguided they are, and I won't, because I respect the rule of law.

Several men with felony records in Ensley, one of the west side’s neighborhoods, told The Appeal that they understood the risks of carrying guns but choose to carry anyway because of day-to-day dangers they face.
I love this one! Anybody care to guess what the recidivism rate is among felons? Do we really want to allow felons the privilege (or right...and that's another big, and separate issue) of concealed carry after they have demonstrated their lack of respect for the rule of law?

Anyway, there are lots of interesting questions that this article brings up. Yes, it is Leftist and deluded and chaotically illogical, but still, it's a good jumping off point.

Posted by: CBD at 02:16 PM




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1 Gun thread!?

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 03, 2018 02:14 PM (qC1Sy)

2 Nood!

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 03, 2018 02:14 PM (qC1Sy)

3 probably not first

Posted by: Arch Stanton at December 03, 2018 02:14 PM (qHJDl)

4 Oh, wait...

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 03, 2018 02:14 PM (qC1Sy)

5 Oh, and not going to bother posting on the Good/Bad/Ugly thread from early, because it's old and stale... but that's probably my favorite movie of all time.

Posted by: Arch Stanton at December 03, 2018 02:15 PM (qHJDl)

6 I never get what you people mean when you say we are a nation of laws. Is this something you really believe? Do you ever see evidence for it?

Or do you just repeat it like an idiot because that's what all your friends say?

Posted by: lolcowlol at December 03, 2018 02:16 PM (lXw9c)

7 Either enforce the law, or change the law.


To ignore the law is societally suicidal in the long run.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 03, 2018 02:17 PM (cqNba)

8 Gun rights = rule of law

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 03, 2018 02:17 PM (bcbK8)

9 1 Gun thread!?

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is it legal to knit guns?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 03, 2018 02:18 PM (Q8Fq+)

10 We're ruled by judges and shitbag prosecutors who hand out "immunity" deals that are basically federal pardons. So in that sense, yes we are ruled by laws.

Just, consistent, honest, or intelligent laws? Hell no.

Posted by: trev006 at December 03, 2018 02:18 PM (qqEFK)

11 6 I never get what you people mean when you say we are a nation of laws. Is this something you really believe? Do you ever see evidence for it?

Or do you just repeat it like an idiot because that's what all your friends say?
Posted by: lolcowlol at December 03, 2018 02:16 PM (lXw9c)
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Wow, so much stupid packed into so few sentences.

Well done, sir!

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 03, 2018 02:18 PM (qC1Sy)

12 Everyone is in favor of the rule of law until it's their ass on the line.

Then gun rights > rule of law.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 03, 2018 02:19 PM (bcbK8)

13 "Wow, so much stupid packed into so few sentences.

Well done, sir!"

Clearly a professional.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 03, 2018 02:19 PM (cqNba)

14 Adarius Montrells Sims of Birmingham, Alabama"

A fine, upstanding future rap star perhaps? Or was he in the midst of turning his life 'round?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 03, 2018 02:19 PM (6qErC)

15 Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Posted by: Sponge at December 03, 2018 02:19 PM (Zz0t1)

16 If you've never used a gun to break the law, why should some unrelated offense deprive you of a constitutional right?

Parking ticket...no guns for you!

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 03, 2018 02:20 PM (Q8Fq+)

17 We are two nations when it comes to anything about guns. Nearly 40 states allow concealed carry by right, and have gun homocide rates like Switzerland or Canada. The other states have draconian laws and big cities with gun homocide rates like Jamaica

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 03, 2018 02:20 PM (wLt6t)

18 But let's take the question seriously:
does the rule of law supercede your right to not get killed?

Are you required to die or live under the threat of death because of the law?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 03, 2018 02:20 PM (bcbK8)

19 Oh Lord, and now will come people taking absolutist positions on every facet of the issue and insisting that only their belief is correct and the rest of you are a bunch of dirty (fill in the blank.)

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Black Friday Deals on Orange Man Bad Whines at the Outrage Outlet! at December 03, 2018 02:20 PM (hLRSq)

20
is it legal to knit guns?
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 03, 2018 02:18 PM (Q8Fq+)


As long as you don't chew your PopTart into one, I think you're fine.

Posted by: Sponge at December 03, 2018 02:20 PM (Zz0t1)

21 Tired after hanging out all night"

Ah ain't in no wayz tarred...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 03, 2018 02:21 PM (6qErC)

22 In Alabama, they are wondering if Jeff Sessions will run for his old US Senate seat, displacing Doug Jones (D) who won his vacated seat against Roy Moore.

Posted by: SMOD at December 03, 2018 02:21 PM (QkjLD)

23 Good laws require good men for enforcement to be useful.

Posted by: Undocumented at December 03, 2018 02:21 PM (NDlpU)

24 "is it legal to knit guns? "

I think it's ok to print them.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 03, 2018 02:22 PM (cqNba)

25 I'm lucky to live in a fair pro-carry state (for now), WA.

But there have been times and places when I have not been so lucky. And if I felt in fear of my life or had a reason to believe I might encounter a non-avoidable threat, damn right I had a gun.

I'm a big, big believer in the rule of law. It's what makes whatever is close to a just society.

But there's also a time to break the rules, in obedience to a law higher than the law of man. To pursue a higher right, like my right not to get my ass shot without any options of shooting back.

my $.02

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 03, 2018 02:22 PM (bcbK8)

26 When it comes to the felony thing, I've always had a problem with that. If you get convicted and serve your time, you've paid your debt to society.

If you can't vote or own a gun, you're not a full citizen. I'm not convinced laws stating otherwise are even Constitutional.

Not that the Constitution means anything anymore, but from a theoretical legal standpoint, I don't know that the concept of a "partial citizen" holds water.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2018 02:23 PM (AzW6q)

27 12 Everyone is in favor of the rule of law until it's their ass on the line.

Then gun rights > rule of law.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 03, 2018 02:19 PM (bcbK

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Depends on who you talk to. I believe in the BOR and take a very dim view of the rule of law infringing in enumerated rights.

Unfortunately, though, that's the society in which we live.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 03, 2018 02:23 PM (qC1Sy)

28 >>>Do we really want to allow felons the privilege (or right...and that's
another big, and separate issue) of concealed carry after they have
demonstrated their lack of respect for the rule of law?



Oh, sure.

As long as these weasels carry the weasel gun from the Gun Thread I'm sure everything will be fine.

Posted by: Big Weasel Gun at December 03, 2018 02:23 PM (dEfTh)

29 is it legal to knit guns?
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 03, 2018 02:18 PM (Q8Fq+)

As long as you don't chew your PopTart into one, I think you're fine.
Posted by: Sponge at December 03, 2018 02:20 PM (Zz0t1)

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gun thread must come from gun cotton

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 03, 2018 02:23 PM (Q8Fq+)

30 19 Oh Lord, and now will come people taking absolutist positions on every facet of the issue and insisting that only their belief is correct and the rest of you are a bunch of dirty (fill in the blank.)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Black Friday Deals on Orange Man Bad Whines at the Outrage Outlet! at December 03, 2018 02:20 PM (hLRSq)

Ah, you've been here before

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 03, 2018 02:23 PM (bcbK8)

31 CBD, I won't carry a gun in NY or NJ either -- but not because I have any respect at all for those laws.

Those laws are unconstitutional on their face. The fact that the courts haven't found that to be true doesn't change it. "Shall not be infringed."

I won't carry a gun there, because I don't want to go to prison. Same reason I wouldn't take a briefcase full of bibles to China. Doesn't mean I respect their laws -- it means I don't want to give despots an excuse to imprison me.

And I don't respect laws that seek to punish nonviolent offenders after they've served their sentence by taking away their civil rights in perpetuity. I'm a little surprised that you do.

And in case anyone was wondering, no, I've never been convicted of anything.

Posted by: Pastafarian at December 03, 2018 02:23 PM (OWWiT)

32 I would feel a lot safer if I could carry a gun in New Jersey and New York (where I spend much of my time) but I can't because of the laws, however misguided they are, and I won't, because I respect the rule of law. CBD


Well, there's your problem, right there.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 03, 2018 02:23 PM (z79tQ)

33 Guns are only for the police and armed security that we "Your Betters" use. No self defense for the rest of you.


That is the way of feudalism. A way the elites want desperately to go back to. It is known as progressivism. Same thing, just a new name in all things.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 03, 2018 02:24 PM (pw+jk)

34 I don't know that the concept of a "partial citizen" holds water."

Let's ask Justice Taney....

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 03, 2018 02:24 PM (6qErC)

35 26 When it comes to the felony thing, I've always had a problem with that. If you get convicted and serve your time, you've paid your debt to society.

If you can't vote or own a gun, you're not a full citizen. I'm not convinced laws stating otherwise are even Constitutional.

Not that the Constitution means anything anymore, but from a theoretical legal standpoint, I don't know that the concept of a "partial citizen" holds water.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2018 02:23 PM (AzW6q)

I think felons are 3/5ths of a citizen

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 03, 2018 02:24 PM (bcbK8)

36 26 When it comes to the felony thing, I've always had a problem with that. If you get convicted and serve your time, you've paid your debt to society.

If you can't vote or own a gun, you're not a full citizen. I'm not convinced laws stating otherwise are even Constitutional.

Not that the Constitution means anything anymore, but from a theoretical legal standpoint, I don't know that the concept of a "partial citizen" holds water.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2018 02:23 PM (AzW6q)

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What he said.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 03, 2018 02:24 PM (qC1Sy)

37 I think fighting for felons to be able to carry guns is politically suicidal.

That being said, probably 90% of felonies are bullshit and have nothing to do with stripping an American of their 2nd Amendment rights.

I'm fine with both voting rights and gun rights being stripped when you are convicted because politics is messy and you have to make choices, but if I'm being intellectually honest, it's probably unfair to a huge swath of people.

Posted by: Blago at December 03, 2018 02:25 PM (UfkIY)

38 Behind the rule of law is the notion that laws apply equally to people regardless of status and that they are enforced. Since neither is true, I don't get terribly hung up on who has or doesn't have a gun.

Posted by: Someguy at December 03, 2018 02:25 PM (t849v)

39 Im not sure ANY gun laws make sense. Criminals ignore laws anyway and assault and murder by any means is already illegal.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 03, 2018 02:25 PM (a2vo1)

40 "That is the way of feudalism. A way the elites want desperately to go back to. It is known as progressivism. Same thing, just a new name in all things."

Wasn't it a thing on the olden days of merry England where commoners and peasants were not allowed to carry certain types of items for self defense?

Only the high born or Knighted were.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 03, 2018 02:25 PM (cqNba)

41 I think felons are 3/5ths of a citizen
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 03, 2018 02:24 PM (bcbK

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and really short people

Posted by: Randy Newman at December 03, 2018 02:26 PM (Q8Fq+)

42 Wasn't it a thing on the olden days of merry England where commoners and
peasants were not allowed to carry certain types of items for self
defense?



Only the high born or Knighted were.
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Yepper and not just England. That was everywhere and why martial arts came into being.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 03, 2018 02:27 PM (pw+jk)

43 Just to play Devil's advocate here:

The Bill of Rights enumerates rights which cannot be taken away from a citizen.

We do not argue that a felon's right to Free Speech is taken away.

We certainly do not say that the legal protections enshrined in the Bill of Rights are taken away from felons.

So why should the right to defend yourself be taken away?

Practically I am on board here, but in principle, it is a bit more murky.

OT and because I ran across this:
Kathy Ireland
https://tinyurl.com/y887p9hh

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 03, 2018 02:27 PM (ycWCI)

44 41 I think felons are 3/5ths of a citizen
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 03, 2018 02:24 PM (bcbK

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and really short people
Posted by: Randy Newman at December 03, 2018 02:26 PM (Q8Fq+)

Very unpopular 'round here

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 03, 2018 02:27 PM (bcbK8)

45 Ah, you've been here before

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 03, 2018 02:23 PM (bcbK


I've been here since before they migrated to this fine, technologically advanced, hamster-driven, website.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Black Friday Deals on Orange Man Bad Whines at the Outrage Outlet! at December 03, 2018 02:28 PM (hLRSq)

46

EM VATRUSHKA FOADDY-FI!!!

Posted by: Maxine Waters' Hair at December 03, 2018 02:28 PM (GEhPL)

47 Yes, respect the rule of law - if the law applies equally to all. That doesn't seem to be the case in several states and, yes, I'm looking at you, California.

Posted by: mrp at December 03, 2018 02:28 PM (Pqytn)

48 OT and because I ran across this:
Kathy Ireland
https://tinyurl.com/y887p9hh
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 03, 2018 02:27 PM (ycWCI)

Bless you.

Those eyes, that hair, that body...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 03, 2018 02:28 PM (bcbK8)

49 I think fighting for felons to be able to carry guns is politically suicidal.

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But its the camels nose in the tent for grabbers.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 03, 2018 02:28 PM (Q8Fq+)

50 I say we have an amnesty every year. Pick a date and declare it Odins Day. On Odins Day any one can shoot anyone and there will be no questions asked. After a couple of years of Odins Day we will become a much more courteous country and have no need for laws and such. BTW, this will cost us nothing as taxpayers.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 03, 2018 02:28 PM (2LelM)

51 And as for the rule of law...

What can I say? The law does not apply to the ruling class, and only to the broad mass of the proletariat, so I think that ship has pretty well sailed.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2018 02:28 PM (AzW6q)

52 I've been here since before they migrated to this fine, technologically advanced, hamster-driven, website.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Black Friday Deals on Orange Man Bad Whines at the Outrage Outlet! at December 03, 2018 02:28 PM (hLRSq)

You say that now, but when the EMP attacks come and we are still able to comment, you'll change your tune!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 03, 2018 02:29 PM (ycWCI)

53 "36 26 When it comes to the felony thing, I've always had a problem with that. If you get convicted and serve your time, you've paid your debt to society.

If you can't vote or own a gun, you're not a full citizen. I'm not convinced laws stating otherwise are even Constitutional.

Not that the Constitution means anything anymore, but from a theoretical legal standpoint, I don't know that the concept of a "partial citizen" holds water.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2018 02:23 PM (AzW6q)

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What he said.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 03, 2018 02:24 PM (qC1Sy) "



What they said.

One reason for the recidivism rate might be that after a felony conviction you might as well be dead as far as participating in non-criminal society.

And don't forget - 3 a day.
This could be us in 2021.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 03, 2018 02:29 PM (KVMek)

54 34 I don't know that the concept of a "partial citizen" holds water."

Let's ask Justice Taney....
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 03, 2018 02:24 PM (6qErC)

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Or American Samoans. Get me a grant and I'll do the survey.

Posted by: Undocumented at December 03, 2018 02:29 PM (NDlpU)

55 Bongino is en fuego today.

He thinks the fewmets are about to hit the windmill on Uranium One and the Clinton Foundation.

Jeff Carlson and John Solomon know the whole story.

And the Clinton Foundation whistleblower who had his house flipped a couple weeks ago will be on Hannity tonight.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 03, 2018 02:29 PM (0oDnb)

56 47 Yes, respect the rule of law - if the law applies equally to all. That doesn't seem to be the case in several states and, yes, I'm looking at you, California.
Posted by: mrp at December 03, 2018 02:28 PM (Pqytn)
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Yeah, the lack of equal application along with clearly unconstitutional laws are why I describe myself as a "peaceful citizen" rather than a "law abiding" citizen."

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 03, 2018 02:30 PM (qC1Sy)

57 OT and because I ran across this:

Kathy Ireland

https://tinyurl.com/y887p9hh
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Kathy was a freshwomen my senior year. Yummy.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 03, 2018 02:30 PM (pw+jk)

58 OT and because I ran across this:
Kathy Ireland
https://tinyurl.com/y887p9hh
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 03, 2018 02:27 PM (ycWCI)

You, sir, are a great American.

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at December 03, 2018 02:30 PM (RD7QR)

59 @ReliableSources
In the George H.W. Bush years, "there was actually a reservoir of goodwill" between the president and the press corps, @FrankSesno said. There was mutual respect, something that's "virtually absent now."

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I guess CNN lived through a different Bush administration than I did.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 03, 2018 02:31 PM (+y/Ru)

60 When it comes to the felony thing, I've always had a problem with that. If you get convicted and serve your time, you've paid your debt to society.


If someone killed someone driving drunk, then that means a bus company would be forced to hire them.


If someone robbed a bank, or abused a child, then again, that person could compel someone to put them into that same position again.

If someone raped or killed someone, and they 'pay their debt to society', which means nothing to most crime victims, for whom the crime and its consequences is a life sentence, they could again be placed in a position over crime victims.

No thanks. You committed a violent crime? You done fucked up and you shouldn't get back tat right that YOU squandered.

Posted by: Alar the Destroyer at December 03, 2018 02:31 PM (NeSSd)

61 Well, we're into guns, so....


Finally tossing the old electronics that have seemingly multiplied over the years, and had a couple of nice items, so instead of throwing out, tried to give away.

Posted on Nextdoor - with pics and complete description of item.

1st wanted me to "text back" and gave a toll free number. Nope.
2nd wanted to know if it worked "with a Mac".
Nope.
3rd "decided" to buy a new one instead.

4th picked it up. Is now emailing me and threatening to "go public" if I don't come to her house and pick it up, 'cause it won't connect w/her 'puter.

And people wonder why I'm allergic to "social media"...

Arrrrrrgh.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 03, 2018 02:31 PM (6qErC)

62 "OT and because I ran across this:
Kathy Ireland
https://tinyurl.com/y887p9hh
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 03, 2018 02:27 PM (ycWCI) "

She seems nice.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 03, 2018 02:31 PM (cqNba)

63 I guess CNN lived through a different Bush administration than I did.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 03, 2018 02:31 PM (+y/Ru)

No shit. I seem to remember a barcode scanner kerfuffle...

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 03, 2018 02:31 PM (ycWCI)

64 I think i'd be OK with Gun Felons losing the right to own/carry.

That way non-violent sorts don't lose their rights and the violent ones will get guns anyway. Then go to jail even longer next time.

so a law that has no effect.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 03, 2018 02:31 PM (Q8Fq+)

65 When it comes to the felony thing, I've always had a problem with that. If you get convicted and serve your time, you've paid your debt to society.

If you can't vote or own a gun, you're not a full citizen. I'm not convinced laws stating otherwise are even Constitutional.

Not that the Constitution means anything anymore, but from a theoretical legal standpoint, I don't know that the concept of a "partial citizen" holds water.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

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What he said.
Posted by: Blake


Ditto. I have always said, "if you can't trust them with a gun, why in the hell are you letting them back on the street?"

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2018 02:31 PM (c3AZU)

66 Wasn't it a thing on the olden days of merry England where commoners and
peasants were not allowed to carry certain types of items for self
defense?

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A few weeks back, the Word of the Day on the book thread was "pussivanting-" to raise an ineffectual fuss.

I went to the old man's place and looked it up in his OED.

It derives from "poursuivant-" a low-ranking agent of the Crown.

Specifically, it comes from the poursuivants Edward IV(?) sent to Cornwall to confiscate weapons from the peasants. They returned to the King without the weapons, and with their ears removed.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2018 02:31 PM (AzW6q)

67 I'm on the fence on weed. While I think it could a alternative painkiller and it's a pretty petty crime, I'm concerned on how weed can numb a person's mind and could hurt someone if they didn't realise what was going one. I also don't like the idea of having more lazy oafs in the country.


But what do I know? I'm just trying to learn how to be an aircraft mechanic.

Posted by: Delaforce the Air Mechanic at December 03, 2018 02:32 PM (Z4qKi)

68 I say we have an amnesty every year. Pick a date and declare it Odins Day. On Odins Day any one can shoot anyone and there will be no questions asked. After a couple of years of Odins Day we will become a much more courteous country and have no need for laws and such. BTW, this will cost us nothing as taxpayers.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 03, 2018 02:28 PM (2LelM)

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The Walton Foundation going to pay to clean up the mess?

Posted by: Undocumented at December 03, 2018 02:32 PM (NDlpU)

69 I guess CNN lived through a different Bush administration than I did.
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It was because cnn could lie about him and he didn't fight back. Trump is bad because he fights the lies of the enemy known as the news media.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 03, 2018 02:32 PM (pw+jk)

70 50 I say we have an amnesty every year. Pick a date and declare it Odins Day. On Odins Day any one can shoot anyone and there will be no questions asked. After a couple of years of Odins Day we will become a much more courteous country and have no need for laws and such. BTW, this will cost us nothing as taxpayers.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 03, 2018 02:28 PM (2LelM)

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is there a limit on the number of Liberals you can take that day?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 03, 2018 02:32 PM (Q8Fq+)

71 How could a bus company be forced to hire someone(aside from a minority quota or the like)?

Posted by: Someguy at December 03, 2018 02:32 PM (t849v)

72 The problem with being overly a Constitutionalist is it will erode gun right overall in a big way.

Probably the one unifying theme the Right has has was "Law abiding citizens should have the right to own a firearm to protect themselves"

If that goes away and convicted criminals get the same gun rights, and background checks become meaningless, you'll see society flip on this and across the board and want more gun control.

Posted by: Blago at December 03, 2018 02:33 PM (UfkIY)

73 How about if you have a neck or face tattoo, you can't own a gun?

Seems like a no brainer.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 03, 2018 02:33 PM (xfb67)

74 If a criminal cannot or will not rehabilitate what is the reason for keeping him around? Dispose.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 03, 2018 02:33 PM (a2vo1)

75 Yepper and not just England. That was everywhere and why martial arts came into being.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 03, 2018 02:27 PM (pw+jk)


"Martial" arts includes the use of weapons, and unarmed combat techniques developed because you had to know how to fight without weapons even if you were armed (such as when closing with your opponent to neutralize his advantage with a longer weapon.

And ownership of weapons was actually fairly common in many parts of Europe. Sword and buckler were common enough that apprentices and young men where known to clash with them in the alleys and fields around towns on their days off.

Banning weapons actually made little sense, as peasant levies were common to medieval warfare.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at December 03, 2018 02:33 PM (wCmLp)

76 And people wonder why I'm allergic to "social media"...

Arrrrrrgh.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 03, 2018 02:31 PM (6qErC)


I'm a traditionalist for that reason. A sign saying FREE out at th end of the driveway the day before garbage pickup.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 03, 2018 02:33 PM (z79tQ)

77 this is not a country of laws. it is a country of selective enforcement of said law. i live my life accordingly.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 03, 2018 02:33 PM (KP5rU)

78 "now will come people taking absolutist positions on every facet of the issue and insisting that only their belief is correct and the rest of you are a bunch of dirty (fill in the blank.)"

I am pro-feudalism anyway. it's honest.

what we have in America is an oligarchy of corporate and political masters. the best we can hope for is a Rectification Of Names, in which we know what the rules are.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 03, 2018 02:34 PM (pGXo5)

79 Funny about the rule of law and the preceding thread. Those NeverTrumpers didn't have much of a problem supporting a woman whose gross negligence while handling classified materials put the entire country at risk, but boy howdy, they sure are hot to investigate the president for "reasons" based on fiction.

Posted by: mrp at December 03, 2018 02:34 PM (Pqytn)

80 If someone killed someone driving drunk, then that means a bus company would be forced to hire them.


If someone robbed a bank, or abused a child, then again, that person could compel someone to put them into that same position again.

If someone raped or killed someone, and they 'pay their debt to society', which means nothing to most crime victims, for whom the crime and its consequences is a life sentence, they could again be placed in a position over crime victims.

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None of those things are guaranteed to citizens by the US Constitution. Gun and voting rights are.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2018 02:34 PM (AzW6q)

81 Are the rights "enumerated" given by men to men in a "social compact" or are the God-given rights, simply recognized and listed by the Founders? Freedom of speech/religion enumerates a right of conscience, the second amendment enumerates a right to defend one's self (against many things), the others various rights to privacy (in one's home, possessions, etc.). Can man take away (rightfully, not practically) that which God gives?

Posted by: Farmer Bob at December 03, 2018 02:34 PM (Y24LV)

82 How could a bus company be forced to hire someone(aside from a minority quota or the like)?
Posted by: Someguy


Easy. If they base their decision on his driving record, then that would now be actionable because "paid their debt to society". Obama was leaning on industries to do exactly that; ignore criminal past.

Posted by: Alar the Destroyer at December 03, 2018 02:34 PM (NeSSd)

83 Someone is mad at you because they can't get something you GAVE them to work?

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at December 03, 2018 02:34 PM (SkuXa)

84 I'm on the fence on weed."

Dude. Dave's not here, man.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 03, 2018 02:35 PM (6qErC)

85 No thanks. You committed a violent crime? You done fucked up and you shouldn't get back tat right that YOU squandered.
Posted by: Alar the Destroyer at December 03, 2018 02:31 PM (NeSSd)
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If the crime committed is that heinous, then why was the criminal let out in the first place? Either they've paid their debt or they haven't. The current purgatory system in place doesn't seem to be the best way to deal with this kind of thing.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 03, 2018 02:35 PM (qC1Sy)

86 is there a limit on the number of Liberals you can take that day?

Posted by: buzzsaw90

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Four but they have to be 66 inches or you have to throw them back.

No more that 10 in the freezer.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 03, 2018 02:35 PM (GlBgT)

87 The Walton Foundation going to pay to clean up the mess?
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Its not like John Boy is doing much these days.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 03, 2018 02:35 PM (2LelM)

88 "Posted on Nextdoor - with pics and complete description of item. "

I think I see the problem, right there.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 03, 2018 02:35 PM (cqNba)

89 The phrase "better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6" keeps coming up in my mind.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 03, 2018 02:35 PM (37IEG)

90 Someone is mad at you because they can't get something you GAVE them to work?"

Si.

And *sigh*

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 03, 2018 02:35 PM (6qErC)

91 David Duke white knighting (SWIDT?) for Marc Lamont "You Big Dummy" Hill.

https://bit.ly/2zIKtgC

Maybe we can issue in a new era of racial understanding by all agreeing to hate the Jews.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 03, 2018 02:35 PM (+y/Ru)

92 I guess CNN lived through a different Bush administration than I did.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 03, 2018 02:31 PM (+y/Ru)


Sam Donaldson's Vulcan-like eyebrows as they worked into a furious frown about the iniquities of the Bush 41 Administration were terrifying to behold.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Black Friday Deals on Orange Man Bad Whines at the Outrage Outlet! at December 03, 2018 02:35 PM (hLRSq)

93 Before NY passed their unconstitutional guns laws they estimated there were about 1.2 million weapons that were too dangerous for citizens to own. They cried, "we must make people register or sell them, otherwise there will be mass shootings. Do it for the children!"

Residents then registered less than 50k firearms.

Bozo the Clown, governor of NY, tells us this is because the rest were "sold out of state".

*bobs head and makes jerking motion* Right!

They passed a fiat that most people didn't abide by. Mass "resistance" in the Left's language. Yet, no mass shootings, no end of days. Weird- huh?

Next time liberals point to NY's unconstitutional guns laws that will be overturned when they meet an honest court, as an example of how guns laws work, tell them, "not really. It actually shows they are unnecessary.



Posted by: Marcus T at December 03, 2018 02:35 PM (VpIIl)

94 I think I see the problem, right there."

Yeah, I know, I know.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 03, 2018 02:36 PM (6qErC)

95 .45 vs crossbow.
Discuss.

Posted by: Roland THTG at December 03, 2018 02:36 PM (88+cf)

96 I think that's rather different from what people mean here(legal consequences with limited length, assuming they weren't for life).

Posted by: Someguy at December 03, 2018 02:36 PM (t849v)

97 Kinda classy (more Kathy Ireland):
https://tinyurl.com/y6wrqloj

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 03, 2018 02:36 PM (ycWCI)

98 So why should the right to defend yourself be taken away? 

Practically I am on board here, but in principle

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 03, 2018 02:27 PM (ycWCI)

A gun is not an easy thing to have. To the depressed it can secure a suicide that will shatter a lot of lives. In the hands of a criminal a gun is a massive threat to everyone around him.

I'm willing to concede that some states will have differences in gun laws. When applied unequally (eg. Only millionaire celebrities have right to carry), it should be treated like segregation. Grossly unconstitutional.

Really, we have much bigger problems in New York than gun laws, so it falls under my new Don't Really Care policy. It's a fascist state anyways, so the correct solution is destroy the ruling class there and expel the populace that resists.

Posted by: trev006 at December 03, 2018 02:36 PM (qqEFK)

99 .45 vs crossbow.
Discuss."

Well, based on the previous thread, there are those who dig...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 03, 2018 02:37 PM (6qErC)

100 None of those things are guaranteed to citizens by the US Constitution. Gun and voting rights are.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice


Voting rights were correctly suspended during and after the Civil war. As for their restoration, a case by case decision for at least voting isn't a bad idea.

Posted by: Alar the Destroyer at December 03, 2018 02:37 PM (NeSSd)

101 When the judiciary is corrupt enough, you're no longer living under the rule of law, so no one has to worry about that concept applying. In a sane world, the marijuana law might be challenged and eventually get tossed out. But of course our federal judges are more interested in nullifying legitimate laws and letting unconstitutional ones stand. Or even making up laws on the fly (Jim Acosta has the constitutional right to attend WH press conferences. Women have a constitutional right to abortion, ACA, etc.)

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 03, 2018 02:37 PM (/qEW2)

102 "Someone is mad at you because they can't get something you GAVE them to work?"

It's NextDoor.

It's what they do.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 03, 2018 02:37 PM (cqNba)

103 this is not a country of laws. it is a country of selective enforcement of said law. i live my life accordingly.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 03, 2018 02:33 PM (KP5rU)

I rate this statement as True.
Newsletter?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 03, 2018 02:37 PM (z79tQ)

104 None of those things are guaranteed to citizens by the US Constitution. Gun and voting rights are.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2018 02:34 PM (AzW6q)
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Word.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 03, 2018 02:37 PM (qC1Sy)

105 is there a limit on the number of Liberals you can take that day?
----------------------
Odin's Day means no bag limit. Its alley alley auction free day.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 03, 2018 02:38 PM (2LelM)

106 Easy. If they base their decision on his driving record, then that would now be actionable because "paid their debt to society". Obama was leaning on industries to do exactly that; ignore criminal past.
Posted by: Alar the Destroyer


#1. Driving is a privilege, not a right.
#2. No one says a trucking or bus company has to hire him, but he WILL get his drivers license back at some point.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2018 02:38 PM (c3AZU)

107 "I'm a traditionalist for that reason. A sign saying FREE out at th end of the driveway the day before garbage pickup.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 03, 2018 02:33 PM (z79tQ) "


Same here.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 03, 2018 02:38 PM (KVMek)

108 95
.45 vs crossbow.
Discuss.


Posted by: Roland THTG at December 03, 2018 02:36 PM (88+cf)
Crossbow has a better accurate range.
But not enough range

Posted by: English Longbowmen at December 03, 2018 02:39 PM (37IEG)

109 Bad laws degrade society by creating law breakers where none should exist.

Posted by: SH at December 03, 2018 02:39 PM (sX1BW)

110 .45 vs crossbow.
Discuss.
Posted by: Roland THTG

>Tape a .45 ACP on the point of the arrow.

Bullet fires on the impact of the arrow.

Posted by: Delaforce the Air Mechanic at December 03, 2018 02:39 PM (AdnWH)

111 Voting rights were correctly suspended during and after the Civil war. As for their restoration, a case by case decision for at least voting isn't a bad idea.
Posted by: Alar the Destroyer at December 03, 2018 02:37 PM (NeSSd)

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I consistently hold that the next time around, the Democrats should be stripped of citizenship permanently. We screwed up big time allowing them back into the fold after the Civil War - sorry, guys, you took up arms against the Constitution. Why the hell should you ever be protected by it again?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2018 02:39 PM (AzW6q)

112 ...When it comes to the felony thing, I've always had a problem with that. If you get convicted and serve your time, you've paid your debt to society.

If you can't vote or own a gun, you're not a full citizen. I'm not convinced laws stating otherwise are even Constitutional.

Not that the Constitution means anything anymore, but from a theoretical legal standpoint, I don't know that the concept of a "partial citizen" holds water.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2018 02:23 PM (AzW6q)




Countless "Western" movies featured a scene where both good guys and bad were being released from prison or jail, and the Warden or Sheriff was handing them back their gun & gunbelt, with an admonishment to stay on the straight n' narrow.

That's the way it used to be.

One has either paid their debt to society, or one has not. Probation or Parole, notwithstanding.

Now, in exchange for this form of a Classically Liberal application of a societal norm, then also we should enjoy a more ... enlightened form of the "But Judge, he needed killin' defense, when some thug of an ex-felon decides he's going to go back to his Black Bart ways.

But that whole Shall Not Be Infringed thing, need to BE a THING, again and forever.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX




Posted by: Jim at December 03, 2018 02:39 PM (QzJWU)

113 " is there a limit on the number of Liberals you can take that day? "

Yes.


But it's a really really really high limit.

On the order of one less than 'unlimited'.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 03, 2018 02:40 PM (cqNba)

114 Posted by: Marcus T at December 03, 2018 02:35 PM (VpIIl)

The Canadians couldn't get their "long arms" registry to work and gave up on it.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Black Friday Deals on Orange Man Bad Whines at the Outrage Outlet! at December 03, 2018 02:40 PM (hLRSq)

115 But we are a nation of Laws, and while is is certainly tempting to decry the excesses of the DOJ, the vast majority of gun owners DO obey the law, including me.

Like I always say - if the Law says show up for the Gas Chambers - Republicans will form neat, orderly lines. And rat out any no-shows.

Posted by: A Better Class of Troll at December 03, 2018 02:40 PM (nfE6n)

116 109
Bad laws degrade society by creating law breakers where none should exist.

Posted by: SH at December 03, 2018 02:39 PM (sX1BW)
I especially like laws that legislate against stupidity. They always work so well.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 03, 2018 02:40 PM (37IEG)

117 There are a lot of reasons for mass shooting that don't have anything to do with guns, and have everything to do with liberal policies. That starts with treating people who truly have issues as "normal" because you don't want them to be stigmatized by their illness. Oh, yeah and then loading them up with liberals favorite remedy, prescription drugs.

I mean- what could go wrong?

Posted by: Marcus T at December 03, 2018 02:40 PM (VpIIl)

118 "77 this is not a country of laws. it is a country of selective enforcement of said law. i live my life accordingly.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 03, 2018 02:33 PM (KP5rU) "


A - men.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 03, 2018 02:40 PM (KVMek)

119 If the crime committed is that heinous, then why was the criminal let out in the first place? Either they've paid their debt or they haven't. The current purgatory system in place doesn't seem to be the best way to deal with this kind of thing.
Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching


Sentence reduction, perfidy of locals, action of pressure groups (Central Park 5, the criminals who attacked Bernie Goetz) mistakes (people being freed in error).

Hell, someone's grandmother was thrown into a Miami holding cell with 40 men for more than a day, because they found hormone medication (menapause).

Your government in action. Parole boards fuck up. Jails fuck up. Local governments engage in pandering.

Posted by: Alar the Destroyer at December 03, 2018 02:41 PM (NeSSd)

120 116 109
Bad laws degrade society by creating law breakers where none should exist.

Posted by: SH at December 03, 2018 02:39 PM (sX1BW)
I especially like laws that legislate against stupidity. They always work so well.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 03, 2018 02:40 PM (37IEG)

============

I'm going to champion a law that makes it illegal for children to fail tests in school.

That will fix our stupidity problem.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at December 03, 2018 02:41 PM (oh/Sd)

121 I seem to remember a discussion about sand the other day.

https://tinyurl.com/y7mkjd73

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 03, 2018 02:42 PM (ycWCI)

122 But there's also a time to break the rules, in obedience to a law higher than the law of man. To pursue a higher right, like my right not to get my ass shot without any options of shooting back.

my $.02

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 03, 2018 02:22 PM



Concur.
That's my $0.02 as well.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 03, 2018 02:42 PM (0tfLf)

123 Hell, someone's grandmother was thrown into a Miami holding cell with 40 men for more than a day, because they found hormone medication (menapause).
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Can you imagine what her grand daughters look like?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 03, 2018 02:42 PM (2LelM)

124 121 I seem to remember a discussion about sand the other day.

https://tinyurl.com/y7mkjd73

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 03, 2018 02:42 PM (ycWCI)

===========

Do you hate sand?

Is it rough, and coarse, and gets everywhere?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at December 03, 2018 02:42 PM (oh/Sd)

125 >Tape a .45 ACP on the point of the arrow.

Bullet fires on the impact of the arrow.
Posted by: Delaforce the Air Mechanic


People have tried that. Would be great on hogs where the "boom" happens INSIDE of them.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2018 02:43 PM (c3AZU)

126 I have to take people over 21 who are not CCW permits holders to NJ in order to introduce them to firearms and shoot at the range. Think of how stupid and absurd that is...

Posted by: Marcus T at December 03, 2018 02:43 PM (VpIIl)

127 #1. Driving is a privilege, not a right.
#2. No one says a trucking or bus company has to hire him, but he WILL get his drivers license back at some point.

Posted by: rickb223

Which still means tat if this person has "paid their debt" then the bus company isn't allowed to restrict them, certainly not for that reason.

You don't have to say "have to". This course of action will lead to it being actionable.

Posted by: Alar the Destroyer at December 03, 2018 02:43 PM (NeSSd)

128 Do you hate sand?

Is it rough, and coarse, and gets everywhere?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at December 03, 2018 02:42 PM (oh/Sd)

Quit whining, Anakin!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 03, 2018 02:43 PM (ycWCI)

129 Blago at 72: That's a good point, I think others made upthread in a different way.

But I really don't think background checks prevent many violent felons from getting guns.

Violent recidivist felons are already shooting people daily, I don't see the political downside to allowing felons who have served their time their full rights as free men. Those shootings aren't going to become more common. They're criminals who intend to rob and murder, they don't worry about breaking a gun law.

But having said that, I'm a little squishy on allowing all felons to own firearms. Nonviolent felons, of course they should be able to, that seems a slam dunk to me.

Posted by: Pastafarian at December 03, 2018 02:43 PM (OWWiT)

130 110
.45 vs crossbow.

Discuss.

Posted by: Roland THTG

Messsster Roland! Am I to understand you're in the market for a ranged weapon to replace Durdendal?
Here's at Hank Haney's slightly used weapons we have a large selection of weapons, particularly those used by your later day compatriots the French Army, which we guarantee have never been fired, and only dropped once.


Posted by: Hank Haney's slightly used weapons at December 03, 2018 02:44 PM (37IEG)

131
The unholy trinity of drugs and toxic chemical exposure, malnutrition, and 24/7/365 victim entitlement indoctrination leads to permanent gene damage, anatomic/physical changes and cultural gangrene.

Most ProgTards have 5-10 generations of this unholy trinity in their history, by design.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at December 03, 2018 02:44 PM (UFLLM)

132 "I'm going to champion a law that makes it illegal for children to fail tests in school.

That will fix our stupidity problem."

Come visit the Baltimore City Board of Education.

Review the number of students who fail tests.

Grab ten random city teenagers and ask them the freezing point of freshwater in Fahrenheit.

(Within +/- 25 degrees)

Get back to me on fixing stupid.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 03, 2018 02:44 PM (cqNba)

133 They are going to largely ignore the new law in Washington State. Enjoy the selective enforcement of the law you created, assholes. IT cuts both ways.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 03, 2018 02:44 PM (VpIIl)

134 WTF twat of the day. Twins handcuff themselves together to protest "Trumps family bias toward twins."

https://bit.ly/2KUQZ8E

I didn't even know Trump had declared a jihad against twins.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 03, 2018 02:44 PM (+y/Ru)

135
Neither first nor last.
Be if thou must be first, be the firstest first.
And thou insists on being last, be the lastest last.

Here endeth the lesson.

-- Blessed St. James Comey, Purveyor of Bullshit

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 03, 2018 02:44 PM (XdWyA)

136 126 I have to take people over 21 who are not CCW permits holders to NJ in order to introduce them to firearms and shoot at the range. Think of how stupid and absurd that is...
Posted by: Marcus T at December 03, 2018 02:43 PM (VpIIl)

Jeez. I mean willingly taking someone to New Jersey? You monster.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 03, 2018 02:44 PM (ycWCI)

137 125 >Tape a .45 ACP on the point of the arrow.

Bullet fires on the impact of the arrow.
Posted by: Delaforce the Air Mechanic


People have tried that. Would be great on hogs where the "boom" happens INSIDE of them.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2018 02:43 PM (c3AZU)

Well we DO need bolt guns for the God Emperor's Legions...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 03, 2018 02:45 PM (bcbK8)

138 The kind of felon who when turned loose doesn't get himself an illegal gun isn't the kind we're concerned about anyways. Or are we operating on the false premise that most murder weapons are acquired legally?

Posted by: Someguy at December 03, 2018 02:45 PM (t849v)

139 "Jeez. I mean willingly taking someone to New Jersey? You monster.



Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 03, 2018 02:44 PM (ycWCI)"
PA is too far. lol

Posted by: Marcus T at December 03, 2018 02:46 PM (VpIIl)

140
Twins handcuff themselves together to protest "Trumps family bias toward twins."


If anything, Trump is obsessed by twins.

Twin B(*)(*)BIES!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 03, 2018 02:46 PM (XdWyA)

141 rab ten random city teenagers and ask them the freezing point of freshwater in Fahrenheit.



(Within +/- 25 degrees)



Get back to me on fixing stupid.





Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 03, 2018 02:44 PM (cqNba)
I know, I know! ZERO!

(No, much as I hate to admit it, that would kinda make sense.)

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 03, 2018 02:46 PM (37IEG)

142 They are going to largely ignore the new law in Washington State. Enjoy the selective enforcement of the law you created, assholes. IT cuts both ways.

------------

Selective enforcement of laws also degrades society just as bad laws do. Both teach people that not all laws need be respected for some reason - again creating lawbreakers where none exist, and now lawbreakers with less respect for those charged with enforcing the laws.

Most of this was easily avoided through the use of common law that we have discarded at our own peril.

Posted by: SH at December 03, 2018 02:47 PM (sX1BW)

143
Jeez. I mean willingly taking someone to New Jersey? You monster.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 03, 2018 02:44 PM (ycWCI)


No, he's a saint. A monster would leave them in New Jersey.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 03, 2018 02:48 PM (XdWyA)

144 >Tape a .45 ACP on the point of the arrow.

Bullet fires on the impact of the arrow.


>>People have tried that. Would be great on hogs where the "boom" happens INSIDE of them.
Posted by: rickb223

>>>You mean to tell I ain't original? Damn...
...


Okay, what about a .45 pistol that shoots mini-arrows?

Posted by: Delaforce the Air Mechanic at December 03, 2018 02:48 PM (suT1L)

145 80 If someone killed someone driving drunk, then that means a bus company would be forced to hire them.


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funny how we never take anyone's right to Alcohol

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 03, 2018 02:49 PM (Q8Fq+)

146 143


Jeez. I mean willingly taking someone to New Jersey? You monster.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 03, 2018 02:44 PM (ycWCI)



No, he's a saint. A monster would leave them in New Jersey.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 03, 2018 02:48 PM (XdWyA)
For the right amount of money, I can get you out of New York.
But you're on your own for New Jersey.

Posted by: Snake Pliskin at December 03, 2018 02:49 PM (37IEG)

147 "Or are we operating on the false premise that most murder weapons are acquired legally?"

In B'More, It's easier to buy a gun n the street than it is to find a person who can read a book.


Or something like that.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 03, 2018 02:49 PM (cqNba)

148
Okay, what about a .45 pistol that shoots mini-arrows?
Posted by: Delaforce the Air Mechanic at December 03, 2018 02:48 PM (suT1L)


Slap a chainsaw bayonet on that baby and you'd have the Swiss Army knife of firearms.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 03, 2018 02:50 PM (XdWyA)

149 128 Do you hate sand?

Is it rough, and coarse, and gets everywhere?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at December 03, 2018 02:42 PM (oh/Sd)

Quit whining, Anakin!
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 03, 2018 02:43 PM (ycWCI)

============

Is it my fault if you hate the 21st Century's greatest poet, George Lucas?

"It rhymes. It's like poetry."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at December 03, 2018 02:50 PM (oh/Sd)

150
Okay, what about a .45 pistol that shoots mini-arrows?

Posted by: Delaforce the Air Mechanic at December 03, 2018 02:48 PM (suT1L)
Ah, flechette rounds. Good choice.

Posted by: Snake Pliskin at December 03, 2018 02:50 PM (37IEG)

151 Has anyone read that link about Sleepy Jeff and gun prosecutions? No wonder there was no time to drain the swamp. What a clusterfuck.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 03, 2018 02:50 PM (y7DUB)

152 Read the WSJ's article today on how the derringer is apparently the weapon of choice for CCW holders. By the way like most carry pistols if you drop it, it is in danger of firing.

I guffawed so loud after reading it I almost puked. And the comments are precious.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 03, 2018 02:50 PM (VpIIl)

153 Okay, what about a .45 pistol that shoots mini-arrows?
Posted by: Delaforce the Air Mechanic

You'd do better with a 12 or 20 gauge side by side or over/under.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2018 02:51 PM (c3AZU)

154 Oh my God. What's wrong with your face!?

Posted by: Mr. Plinkett at December 03, 2018 02:51 PM (SkuXa)

155 151 Has anyone read that link about Sleepy Jeff and gun prosecutions? No wonder there was no time to drain the swamp. What a clusterfuck.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 03, 2018 02:50 PM (y7DUB)

=============

The NYT was whining a few weeks ago that Sessions had done too good of a job cleaning up the DOJ.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at December 03, 2018 02:51 PM (oh/Sd)

156 G rab ten random city teenagers and ask them the freezing point of freshwater in Fahrenheit

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Out of ten random, you won't find one who speaks Fahrenheit.

Posted by: Undocumented at December 03, 2018 02:52 PM (NDlpU)

157 What, if anything, has ever been said by Trump in regard to twins? I'm confused...

Also, unless I'm mistaken, those are the guys who are under investigation for investment fraud and money-laundering, right?

Some Resistance you got there... #ResistPropertyRights? #ResistHonestDealing?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2018 02:52 PM (AzW6q)

158 156 G rab ten random city teenagers and ask them the freezing point of freshwater in Fahrenheit

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Out of ten random, you won't find one who speaks Fahrenheit.
Posted by: Undocumented at December 03, 2018 02:52 PM (NDlpU)

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Foreign language requirements have gone to shit.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at December 03, 2018 02:52 PM (oh/Sd)

159 They do speak Ebonics though.

Posted by: Someguy at December 03, 2018 02:52 PM (t849v)

160 "Read the WSJ's article today on how the derringer is apparently the weapon of choice for CCW holders. By the way like most carry pistols if you drop it, it is in danger of firing."

Read the Rolling Stone article from a while ago about how deadly they are.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 03, 2018 02:52 PM (cqNba)

161 http://bit.ly/2zEwyse
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Nate Cain, Whistleblower on Clinton Global Iniative On Hannity tonight

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 03, 2018 02:52 PM (BqBId)

162
Out of ten random, you won't find one who speaks Fahrenheit.
Posted by: Undocumented at December 03, 2018 02:52 PM (NDlpU)


They'd talk your ear off in Austrian, though.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 03, 2018 02:53 PM (XdWyA)

163 The NYT was whining a few weeks ago that Sessions had done too good of a job cleaning up the DOJ.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at December 03, 2018 02:51 PM (oh/Sd)


That wouldn't make it past the National Lampoon editors.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 03, 2018 02:53 PM (y7DUB)

164 156 G rab ten random city teenagers and ask them the freezing point of freshwater in Fahrenheit

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Out of ten random, you won't find one who speaks Fahrenheit.
Posted by: Undocumented at December 03, 2018 02:52 PM (NDlpU)

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Foreign language requirements have gone to shit.

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With English being the foreign language.

Posted by: SH at December 03, 2018 02:53 PM (sX1BW)

165 Fahrenheit? Where is that?

Posted by: Loopey Ozcrazyo at December 03, 2018 02:53 PM (37IEG)

166 Small, Cheap Guns are back, and Some QUestion Their Safety

Today's WSJ

https://tinyurl.com/ya5aoa9n

Posted by: Marcus T at December 03, 2018 02:53 PM (VpIIl)

167 Okay, what about a .45 pistol that shoots mini-arrows?
Posted by: Delaforce the Air Mechanic


There are all kinds of YouTube channels where people try to perfect "alternate" ammo loads for shotguns.

One useless fact: Lego heads fit 40mm casings.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2018 02:54 PM (c3AZU)

168 Jeez. I mean willingly taking someone to New Jersey? You monster.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 03, 2018 02:44 PM (ycWCI)

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a monster doesn't help them get back out

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 03, 2018 02:54 PM (Q8Fq+)

169 G rab ten random city teenagers and ask them the freezing point of freshwater in Fahrenheit

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Metric System - Yeah!

Posted by: SH at December 03, 2018 02:54 PM (sX1BW)

170
161 http://bit.ly/2zEwyse
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Nate Cain, Whistleblower on Clinton Global Iniative On Hannity tonight
Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 03, 2018 02:52 PM (BqBId)


Dead on some park's grassy knoll by tomorrow morning. Arkancide.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 03, 2018 02:54 PM (XdWyA)

171 Some question is faggot talk.

Posted by: Someguy at December 03, 2018 02:54 PM (t849v)

172 Somebody commented at the WSJ the last person to successfully use a derringer was John Wiles Booth. Oddly, the comment was deleted.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 03, 2018 02:54 PM (VpIIl)

173 162


Out of ten random, you won't find one who speaks Fahrenheit.

Posted by: Undocumented at December 03, 2018 02:52 PM (NDlpU)



They'd talk your ear off in Austrian, though.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 03, 2018 02:53 PM (XdWyA)
Can anyone tell me how my policies improved our relations with the Fahrenheiti's and which of the 57 states shares a common border with Fahrenheit?

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at December 03, 2018 02:55 PM (37IEG)

174 Didn't that guy from ZZ Top blow his foot off with a derringer?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2018 02:55 PM (AzW6q)

175 I don't "respect" any law that clearly violates my constitutional right to bear arms and the full faith and credit clause (I have a lifetime state CCC license).

However, I do obey them as the likelihood of going to jail are significant.

Still pisses me off.

Posted by: Smaug at December 03, 2018 02:55 PM (EMIUG)

176 (No, much as I hate to admit it, that would kinda make sense.)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 03, 2018 02:46 PM (37IEG)


It actually does make sense. Zero degrees F is the freezing point of a saline solution in water. Orders of magnitude easier to find than the freezing point of pure water, mainly because getting absolutely pure water is very hard. Saline solution is easy, just take any tap water and throw in some salt. Within reason it does not take much to get repeatable results. Try doing that with with stupid French units of measurement.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 03, 2018 02:55 PM (kUmUV)

177 Out for shopping. Crappy cold in KCMO.

Posted by: Smaug at December 03, 2018 02:56 PM (EMIUG)

178 176 (No, much as I hate to admit it, that would kinda make sense.)
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 03, 2018 02:46 PM (37IEG)

It actually does make sense. Zero degrees F is the freezing point of a saline solution in water. Orders of magnitude easier to find than the freezing point of pure water, mainly because getting absolutely pure water is very hard. Saline solution is easy, just take any tap water and throw in some salt. Within reason it does not take much to get repeatable results. Try doing that with with stupid French units of measurement.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 03, 2018 02:55 PM (kUmUV)

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I'm just thankful we never adopted their calendar.

Or the genocide. That too.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at December 03, 2018 02:56 PM (oh/Sd)

179
Or the genocide. That too.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at December 03, 2018 02:56 PM (oh/Sd)

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We've adopted their post-modern philosophy. Same diff, in the long run.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2018 02:57 PM (AzW6q)

180 Slap a chainsaw bayonet on that baby and you'd have the Swiss Army knife of firearms.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot

>>Perfect.

If the blog job doesn't do well for Ace of Spades HQ in the future, we're covered on the arms manufacturing ideas.

We'll call the gun "Weaseler-18" in honor of the gun thread celebrity, Weasel.

Posted by: Delaforce the Air Mechanic at December 03, 2018 02:57 PM (vWCTy)

181 I'm just thankful we never adopted their calendar.

We have calendars available, cheap! They're retro!!

Posted by: The Mayans at December 03, 2018 02:57 PM (NeSSd)

182 Where do the Feds get the authority to charge this guy in the first place? Lots of interesting philosophical questions.

Posted by: America's chickennnza at December 03, 2018 02:57 PM (vtd+q)

183 It actually does make sense. Zero degrees F is the
freezing point of a saline solution in water. Orders of magnitude
easier to find than the freezing point of pure water, mainly because
getting absolutely pure water is very hard. Saline solution is easy,
just take any tap water and throw in some salt. Within reason it does
not take much to get repeatable results. Try doing that with with
stupid French units of measurement.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 03, 2018 02:55 PM (kUmUV)
Experiments by the global warming scientists have demonstrated they are unable to duplicate freezing water without further funding.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 03, 2018 02:57 PM (37IEG)

184 Are you required to die or live under the threat of death because of the law?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 03, 2018 02:20 PM


Yes.

Posted by: Eric Swal(low)well, (D-Kalifornia) at December 03, 2018 02:57 PM (ctuyM)

185
165 Fahrenheit? Where is that?
Posted by: Loopey Ozcrazyo at December 03, 2018 02:53 PM (37IEG)


On the eastern bank of River Heit. Sister city of Gesundheit on the opposite bank.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 03, 2018 02:58 PM (XdWyA)

186 Read the WSJ's article today on how the derringer is apparently the weapon of choice for CCW holders.

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The last Derringer type pistol I even saw was the gun Booth used to shoot Lincoln.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 03, 2018 02:58 PM (+y/Ru)

187 It just seems a shame that we have the law enforcement resources to put this guy through the ringer but somehow the parking lot at the 7-11 is filled every day with people who we all know are illegal aliens and we don't seem to have any resources left to deal with that.

Posted by: Brewdog at December 03, 2018 02:58 PM (oNFAg)

188 Is it against the law to wear a windbreaker with ICE displayed on it? I'm kind of tired waiting in line at my local 7-11.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 03, 2018 02:59 PM (2LelM)

189
Didn't that guy from ZZ Top blow his foot off with a derringer?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice


.50 cal derringer.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 03, 2018 02:59 PM (aKsyK)

190 It just seems a shame that we have the law enforcement resources to put this guy through the ringer but somehow the parking lot at the 7-11 is filled every day with people who we all know are illegal aliens and we don't seem to have any resources left to deal with that.

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It is actually against the law to try to enforce the law against non-citizens.

Posted by: SH at December 03, 2018 03:00 PM (sX1BW)

191 182
Where do the Feds get the authority to charge this guy in the first place? Lots of interesting philosophical questions.


Posted by: America's chickennnza at December 03, 2018 02:57 PM (vtd+q)
Are you serious? Are you serious?
We derive that authority from the same place we get the authority to charge you or credit you for the amount of carbon dioxide you exchange with the atmosphere over the land areas controlled by the United States of America!All this shit is OURS, we just allow you to use it, peasant.

Posted by: Nancy_Pelosingit at December 03, 2018 03:00 PM (37IEG)

192 .50 cal derringer.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 03, 2018 02:59 PM (aKsyK)

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Whoa! The recoil on that must be unspeakable. Wrist-breaker.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2018 03:00 PM (AzW6q)

193 "It is actually against the law to try to enforce the law against non-citizens."

Makes sense

Posted by: Judge Derp at December 03, 2018 03:01 PM (cqNba)

194
On the eastern bank of River Heit. Sister city of Gesundheit on the opposite bank.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 03, 2018 02:58 PM (XdWyA)
So it's like that city I heard about where everyone that lives there is Hungary?Where it's named after two cities on each side of a river? I think it's called
BuddhaStatue?

Posted by: Loopey Ozcrazyo at December 03, 2018 03:02 PM (37IEG)

195 ICE windbreaker might fall under impersonating an ossifer, but not if its like the cold kind of ice.

Posted by: Someguy at December 03, 2018 03:02 PM (t849v)

196 Jeff Session's idea of "rule of law" is that the people fear the government, never the other way around. Fuck him and fuck all federal laws they never had the right to create. Lots of interesting questions.

Posted by: America's chickennnza at December 03, 2018 03:02 PM (vtd+q)

197 Didn't that guy from ZZ Top blow his foot off with a derringer?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

.50 cal derringer.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.


Please tell me that it was black powder.
I'd hate to think someone was carrying a .50 Beowolf in a derringer.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2018 03:02 PM (c3AZU)

198 ""It is actually against the law to try to enforce the law against non-citizens."

If they are not U.S. citizens, is it really fair to hold them accountable to U.S. law?

Posted by: Judge Derp at December 03, 2018 03:02 PM (cqNba)

199 It is actually against the law to try to enforce the law against non-citizens.
Posted by: SH at December 03, 2018 03:00 PM (sX1BW)

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It sure is in Denver.

City Hall has instructed PDP to undercharge on DV and DUI for illegals, so they won't be automatically deported on account of the felony.

But if you're born here, or came legally, you're to be charged to the hilt, as before.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2018 03:02 PM (AzW6q)

200 DPD, rather.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2018 03:02 PM (AzW6q)

201 We have calendars available, cheap! They're retro!!
Posted by: The Mayans at December 03, 2018 02:57 PM (NeSSd)


True story and completely OT, but according to you guys the world was supposed to end on my 33rd wedding anniversary. No reason to get a gift right - next morning I was like "honey not my fault - the world was supposed to end". Couch is very lumpy so thanks, I owe you one.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 03, 2018 03:03 PM (kUmUV)

202 "Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 03, 2018 02:58 PM (+y/Ru)"

They conveniently found a picture of the derringer with a tag on it from the NRA show and then blew it up to look like the Jolly Green Giant's handgun.


The article narrative is based on some idiot who carried the derringer as his carry gun, loaded and against the manufacturers directions, then dropped it and shot himself in the liver. Surprise.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 03, 2018 03:03 PM (VpIIl)

203 "It is actually against the law to try to enforce the law against non-citizens."

Makes sense
Posted by: Judge Derp

Yeah!

Posted by: Scientists who think we didn't divide people into two sexes until the 1700s at December 03, 2018 03:03 PM (+y/Ru)

204 You'd do better with a 12 or 20 gauge side by side or over/under.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2018 02:51 PM


Given the lack of respect I often endure around here, I'm glad to see at least one young Pasteawan has inculcated my indubitable wisdom regarding self-defense.

Posted by: Joe Biden at December 03, 2018 03:04 PM (ctuyM)

205 "City Hall has instructed PDP to undercharge on DV and DUI for illegals, so they won't be automatically deported on account of the felony.

But if you're born here, or came legally, you're to be charged to the hilt, as before."

This would be an example of:


[ ] Equal Protection under the law

[ ] Disparate Impact

Choose only one answer

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 03, 2018 03:04 PM (cqNba)

206 The article narrative is based on some idiot who carried the derringer as his carry gun, loaded and against the manufacturers directions, then dropped it and shot himself in the liver. Surprise.
Posted by: Marcus T


Was it single action?

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 03, 2018 03:04 PM (NeSSd)

207 City Hall has instructed PDP to undercharge on DV and DUI for illegals, so they won't be automatically deported on account of the felony.

But if you're born here, or came legally, you're to be charged to the hilt, as before.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice


That's a civil rights violation.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2018 03:04 PM (c3AZU)

208 "I'm just thankful we never adopted their calendar."

On this day, Nine Frimaire, year 225.......

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Black Friday Deals on Orange Man Bad Whines at the Outrage Outlet! at December 03, 2018 03:04 PM (hLRSq)

209 I'd hate to think someone was carrying a .50 Beowolf in a derringer.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2018 03:02 PM


If the projectile doesn't get 'em, the muzzle blast will.

Posted by: Sigfried at December 03, 2018 03:06 PM (ctuyM)

210 "Was it single action?

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 03, 2018 03:04 PM (NeSSd)"
Cobra derringer. One of the few firearms I am not familiar with.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 03, 2018 03:06 PM (VpIIl)

211 201
We have calendars available, cheap! They're retro!!

Posted by: The Mayans at December 03, 2018 02:57 PM (NeSSd)



True story and completely OT, but according to you guys the world
was supposed to end on my 33rd wedding anniversary. No reason to get a
gift right - next morning I was like "honey not my fault - the world was
supposed to end". Couch is very lumpy so thanks, I owe you one.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 03, 2018 03:03 PM (kUmUV)The Mayan calendar developers were early software engineers.
When the carvers reached the end of the chunk of round stone they estimated they needed to track their predictions they realized they had screwed up and underestimated (or, misunderestimated as Loopy might say). Their team-lead told them to carve "world ends here" on the premise that they'd all be dead by the time they got to that date.
I've seen programs that basically made that same assumption.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 03, 2018 03:06 PM (37IEG)

212 "If the projectile doesn't get 'em, the muzzle blast will."


Hit 'em again.
Just to be sure.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 03, 2018 03:07 PM (cqNba)

213 208 "I'm just thankful we never adopted their calendar."

On this day, Nine Frimaire, year 225.......
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Black Friday Deals on Orange Man Bad Whines at the Outrage Outlet! at December 03, 2018 03:04 PM (hLRSq)

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Reading anything about the French Revolution becomes a headache because of that nonsense.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at December 03, 2018 03:07 PM (oh/Sd)

214 My local Assemblyman here in upstate NY is protesting Gov Cuomo's order or idea to check social media before you can buy a gun. Useless protest, NYC and surrounding areas will shoot him down...literally. They don't even know where "upstate NY" is on the map. One Assembly lady once visited a dairy farm and came away sick because of the smell of cow shit...She was from Manhattan.

Posted by: Colin at December 03, 2018 03:07 PM (N8mB7)

215
On this day, Nine Frimaire, year 225......

If man is still alive
If woman can survive

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 03, 2018 03:07 PM (aKsyK)

216
One Assembly lady once visited a dairy farm and came away sick because of the smell of cow shit...She was from Manhattan.
Posted by: Colin


What does Manhattan smell like?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 03, 2018 03:09 PM (aKsyK)

217 That's a civil rights violation.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2018 03:04 PM (c3AZU)

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Yeah. I'd like to test it, except that I don't drive drunk or beat up on my girlfriends.

Get arrested, hurl my ID into the night, and claim that my blond-haired, blue-eyed Jewish ass is named Jose Diego Montoya Estrella de Gaudalupe Hidalgo y Ramirez-Castile, and I'm from Guadalajara.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2018 03:09 PM (AzW6q)

218
One Assembly lady once visited a dairy farm and came away sick because of the smell of cow shit...She was from Manhattan.
Posted by: Colin


New York is where she'd rather stay.
She gets allergic smelling hay.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 03, 2018 03:10 PM (aKsyK)

219 I'm just thankful we never adopted their calendar.

Or the genocide. That too.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison


Ah, but the pastry is to kill for ...

Posted by: Adriane the Ethnic Cuisine Critic ... at December 03, 2018 03:11 PM (LPnfS)

220 One Assembly lady once visited a dairy farm and came away sick because of the smell of cow shit...She was from Manhattan.
Posted by: Colin

What does Manhattan smell like?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.


Oddly enough, often like sour milk.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 03, 2018 03:11 PM (NeSSd)

221 One Assembly lady once visited a dairy farm and came away sick because of the smell of cow shit...She was from Manhattan.
Posted by: Colin at December 03, 2018 03:07 PM

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San Francisco residents would not be as affected since they are used to shit. Unless they went all the way to Tracy.

Posted by: Undocumented at December 03, 2018 03:11 PM (NDlpU)

222 Blond jewish donkeys, what is the world coming to. Also why would they care what you called your ass?

Posted by: Someguy at December 03, 2018 03:11 PM (t849v)

223 The RIGHT to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed...


Sure sounds infringed to me.

Posted by: Don Q at December 03, 2018 03:11 PM (NgKpN)

224 Afternoon all. Just got back from spending most of last night and today in the ER for a runaway infection from an abscessed tooth. That place is unbelievable, God Bless those that staff the ERs for doing what they do.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 03, 2018 03:12 PM (ffYR/)

225 Anybody care to guess what the recidivism rate is among felons?

As always, it depends on who you ask.

DOJ via BJS March of this year:
"An estimated 68% of released prisoners were arrested within 3 years, 79% within 6 years, and 83% within 9 years."

Note, this is re-arrest rate.

PewTrusts of this year:
(this the one prison reformers are citing like mad on Twatter)

"Among prisoners released in 2005, 48 percent returned to prison by the end of 2008. By comparison, among those released in those states in 2012, 37 percent had at least one new prison admission by the end of 2015. That translates into a drop of 23 percent. "

For comparison sake:
2008
1st year after release = 33
3rd year after = 48
5th year after = 53

2010
1st year = 28
3rd year = 41
5th year = 46

And, note, they're measuring return to prison, not arrest rates which is key, particularly seeing how Obama and blue states engaged in a decade of suppressing arrests and convictions for "non-violent" crime.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 03, 2018 03:12 PM (7TCRf)

226 Get arrested, hurl my ID into the night, and claim that my blond-haired, blue-eyed Jewish ass is named Jose Diego Montoya Estrella de Gaudalupe Hidalgo y Ramirez-Castile, and I'm from Guadalajara.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 03, 2018 03:09 PM


You say that like it's a cosa male.

Posted by: Jose Diego Montoya Estrella de Gaudalupe Hidalgo y Ramirez-Castile, from Guadalajara, MX at December 03, 2018 03:12 PM (ctuyM)

227 I tried to look up a ZZ Top guy shooting himself with a Derringer and found a kinda Tom Swiftie:

Rock guitarist Rick Derringer carried a loaded gun in his carry-on bag on a Delta Air Lines flight

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 03, 2018 03:13 PM (+y/Ru)

228 If man is still alive
If woman can survive

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.


flicks cigarette lighter ...

*** hastily puts plastic over computer to protect from sprinkler system ***

Posted by: Adriane the Music Critic ... at December 03, 2018 03:13 PM (LPnfS)

229 I've seen programs that basically made that same assumption.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 03, 2018 03:06 PM (37IEG)

Year 2000? Ring any bells?

LOL

Posted by: Don Q at December 03, 2018 03:14 PM (NgKpN)

230 What does Manhattan smell like?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 03, 2018 03:09 PM


New York City?!

Posted by: Cowboys in the salsa commercial at December 03, 2018 03:15 PM (ctuyM)

231 No we are not a nation of laws. When the law is applied unevenly counting on ones sex, class, wealth and politics. We have no real laws. Gun laws are not evenly applied either. It seems the best thing to do is to keep your head down and not be the nail that gets hit down or be one of the prrivlaged set that can skirt/ignore the law. Having drug convictions is not keeping your head down. No we are not a nation of law. Don't be the nail don't be the rusty wheel.

Posted by: Usntakim profoundly deplorable at December 03, 2018 03:15 PM (0OmEj)

232 118: thanks, sock. you have to know who's on your side.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 03, 2018 03:16 PM (KP5rU)

233 Do we really want to allow felons the privilege (or right...and that's another big, and separate issue) of concealed carry after they have demonstrated their lack of respect for the rule of law?

.....

Well, this is one of those questions that requires a question to answer?

Do we consider individuals that were prosecuted for felonies and serve out their sentence to have paid their debt to society and been rehabilitated?

If so, than yes, I think citizens that have paid their debt to society still have families, homes and civil liberties to protect, if need be by use of firearm. As such they should be made whole again, including voting rights which I'm sure many people here disagree with.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 03, 2018 03:16 PM (ZqRy5)

234 2nd term looking likely...what else do the Dem`s have to offer? I look like an elder statesman, voice of reason, compared to the weak bench of both branches of the establishment base...Carter/Jeb 2020...'because we care!'

Posted by: Jimmy Carter at December 03, 2018 03:16 PM (yhf6w)

235 Small, Cheap Guns are back, and Some QUestion Their Safety

Today's WSJ

https://tinyurl.com/ya5aoa9n
Posted by: Marcus T at December 03, 2018 02:53 PM (VpIIl)


"Some" again.

Must be great being in media, such an easy way to editorialize. Some say. Sources say.

Why would we doubt the veracity of "some"?

Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 03, 2018 03:17 PM (z79tQ)

236 What the hell is wrong with the USPS in Coppell, TX? It's literally a black hole for book packages.

Posted by: Undocumented at December 03, 2018 03:17 PM (NDlpU)

237 >>And, note, they're measuring return to prison, not arrest rates which is key, particularly seeing how Obama and blue states engaged in a decade of suppressing arrests and convictions for "non-violent" crime.



Also recall Holder's quest to redefine a lot of felonies as non-felonies in order to save these criminals the penalties associated with being a convicted felon.

IIRC, CA did go through with a lot of felony -to- nonfelony redefinitions, but I forget if this happened elsewhere before Obama left office...

Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2018 03:17 PM (W+vEI)

238 Small, Cheap Guns are back, and Some QUestion Their Safety



Today's WSJ



Do they put this shit behind a paywall to avoid the fisking?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 03, 2018 03:18 PM (oVJmc)

239 If so, than yes, I think citizens that have paid their debt to society still have families, homes and civil liberties to protect, if need be by use of firearm. As such they should be made whole again, including voting rights which I'm sure many people here disagree with.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 03, 2018 03:16 PM (ZqRy5)

Agree. Once you've paid your debt.

How can we ever expect them to come back to society, if we do not treat them like full citizens?

Now, Green Card Holders? No guns for you. I don't want Non citizens to be armed in my Country.

Posted by: Don Q at December 03, 2018 03:19 PM (NgKpN)

240 >>"Some" again.




Well, "sources say" that "some" is good people, so it's totes believable!

Posted by: Lizzy at December 03, 2018 03:19 PM (W+vEI)

241 Do we really want to allow felons the privilege (or right...and that's another big, and separate issue) of concealed carry after they have demonstrated their lack of respect for the rule of law?

It depends on the particular felony.

White collar felonies? That wouldn't really make any sense, other than as an added punishment for the crime. But it would have nothing to do with anyone's safety.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 03, 2018 03:19 PM (Cp/jq)

242 I don't think being busted for weed (misdemeanor) should disarm someone.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2018 03:20 PM (39g3+)

243 One Assembly lady once visited a dairy farm and came away sick because of the smell of cow shit...She was from Manhattan.
Posted by: Colin

What does Manhattan smell like?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.


You know what cow shit smells like?

If it's yours, money.

If they're not, then it smells like cow shit.

I'd still rather smell cow shit than stale hobo urine.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 03, 2018 03:20 PM (c3AZU)

244 235 Small, Cheap Guns are back, and Some QUestion Their Safety

Today's WSJ

https://tinyurl.com/ya5aoa9n
Posted by: Marcus T at December 03, 2018 02:53 PM (VpIIl)

"Some" again.

Must be great being in media, such an easy way to editorialize. Some say. Sources say.

Why would we doubt the veracity of "some"?
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 03, 2018 03:17 PM (z79tQ)



I am surprised they didn't bring back the loaded (no pun intended) term "Saturday Night Specials" again.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 03, 2018 03:20 PM (ujg0T)

245 Nood a la Francais.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 03, 2018 03:20 PM (t6MX/)

246 I don't think being busted for weed (misdemeanor) should disarm someone.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2018 03:20 PM (39g3+)


You don't have to be busted for weed. Just admitting to having ever smoked weed is enough to have your right to be armed taken away - federally. Also not paying child support ... as if that makes any sense in any universe.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 03, 2018 03:21 PM (Cp/jq)

247 Voting is not a natural right, its a part of some systems of government. The franchise ought be restricted in order to facilitate good(or at least not terribly bad) decision making. Felons and net tax takers ought not be able to vote.

Posted by: Someguy at December 03, 2018 03:21 PM (t849v)

248 234 2nd term looking likely...what else do the Dem`s have to offer? I look like an elder statesman, voice of reason, compared to the weak bench of both branches of the establishment base...Carter/Jeb 2020...'because we care!'
Posted by: Jimmy Carter at December 03, 2018 03:16 PM (yhf6w)



Isn't Jimmy now 94 too? He is now the oldest living ex president, right?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 03, 2018 03:22 PM (ujg0T)

249
So it's like that city I heard about where everyone that lives there is Hungary?Where it's named after two cities on each side of a river? I think it's called
BuddhaStatue?
Posted by: Loopey Ozcrazyo at December 03, 2018 03:02 PM (37IEG)


Close: BuddhaPashtun, on the river Bofa.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 03, 2018 03:22 PM (XdWyA)

250 Personally I think the "no guns for felons" law should be smarter. If you were jailed for tax evasion or fraud, that doesn't demonstrate a physical threat to society that requires disarmament. If you were a murderer or a rapist, it does. Theft we can talk about -- some thieves are quite dangerous and are extremely likely to go back to crime once out of prison.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2018 03:22 PM (39g3+)

251 Nood. France.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 03, 2018 03:22 PM (ycWCI)

252 No we are not a nation of laws.

We are a nation of political operations.

There is no justice or legal system, just "fairness" courts and star chambers.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 03, 2018 03:22 PM (boNFp)

253 Do we consider individuals that were prosecuted for felonies and serve out their sentence to have paid their debt to society and been rehabilitated?

"Paid their debt" means little; it's a sentence that is often arbitrary and subject to modifiers (good behavior, time served).

Rehabilitated? Sure, let's run with that one. Prove that in some tangible way. if not, then no, no restoration of the gun rights that the violent criminal pissed on in the first place.


According to this, the pillowcase rapist had every right to move about and live next to his victims, because he "paid his debt" and laws in the 70s and 80s ensured that a guy who raped over 70 women could one day get out.

How many times was Manson eligible for parole? And NY just sprang a guy who ambushed two cops. he poured rounds into one of them while he was on the ground.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 03, 2018 03:24 PM (NeSSd)

254 229
I've seen programs that basically made that same assumption.



Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 03, 2018 03:06 PM (37IEG)



Year 2000? Ring any bells?



LOL

Posted by: Don Q at December 03, 2018 03:14 PM (NgKpN) Oh my yes.
City of Austin posted a great little triptych thing about how to handle the disasters that would probably ensue when the power plants realized they didn't have the right date and the turbine shut down.
If only people understood how much storage space and money we saved by using those 2 digits years . Frankly for most applications you could get by with that, you just had to be bright enough to use a 2 digit year cutoff - year > 75 = 19(xx) year < 75 = 20(xx).
In all honesty none of us really thought the code we wrote in 1985 would still be running in 2000.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 03, 2018 03:24 PM (37IEG)

255 I don't think being busted for weed (misdemeanor) should disarm someone.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2018 03:20 PM (39g3+)

------------------

I don't care what they do in Saudi Arabia. I wonder what Kashogy thought.

Posted by: Undocumented at December 03, 2018 03:24 PM (NDlpU)

256 Voting is not a natural right, its a part of some systems of government.

This bears constant and strong repetition. There is no innate, God-given right to vote (nor to marry, for that matter). You have a right to have a say in your government, but voting is only a structural method created by law to have a say in your government, not a natural right.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 03, 2018 03:25 PM (39g3+)

257 Personally I think the "no guns for felons" law should be smarter. If you were jailed for tax evasion or fraud, that doesn't demonstrate a physical threat to society that requires disarmament. If you were a murderer or a rapist, it does. Theft we can talk about -- some thieves are quite dangerous and are extremely likely to go back to crime once out of prison.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor


Two guys within the last three months killed people within days of release. They had "paid their debt".

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 03, 2018 03:26 PM (NeSSd)

258 In all honesty none of us really thought the code we wrote in 1985 would still be running in 2000.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 03, 2018 03:24 PM (37IEG)


Some of those ancient COBOL programs are still in place. When I was doing y2k work I suggested making them y10k compliant.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 03, 2018 03:29 PM (y7DUB)

259 Isn't Jimmy now 94 too? He is now the oldest living ex president, right?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 03, 2018 03:22

I read somewhere, maybe here, that he has to live another 110 days to pass GWB.

Posted by: Farmer at December 03, 2018 03:40 PM (T5tjg)

260 Change the law. Anyone who can't be trusted with a gun can't be trusted without a custodian.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at December 03, 2018 03:55 PM (P/ALc)

261 Well, since you can't challenge a law in court without breaking it first (to obtain standing) and the legislatures are supremely unresponsive to the will of the people and don't seem to believe that violating the natural laws that existed before the Constitution was written is a problem, I'd say this attitude of obeying all laws just because they are laws is a bit self-limiting.

Posted by: Snidely Whiplash at December 03, 2018 04:41 PM (dVp8a)

262 Any excuse liberals will use to confiscate all our guns they will use them like confiscating a persons guns if there are kids in the home Liberals will tell you ITS TO PROTEST YOUR KIDS FROM YOURSELF yeah Liberals are so rediculous

Posted by: Tamaa Bird 1000 Voices at December 03, 2018 04:54 PM (wGqjj)

263 Probably been said a few times already, but if felons have paid their debt, are free and clear (no probation), they should be able to vote, own guns, etc. If not, why are they free?

Recidivism is ridiculously high, but we still judge an individual for their actions, not their groups' (and rightly should, despite the left's efforts).

Posted by: Stan at December 03, 2018 05:37 PM (gF1NO)

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