Pre-Thanksgiving California Fire Update [KT]

Good morning. This is the Saturday before Thanksgiving, so I thought it might be appropriate to look for things to be grateful for, even in tough circumstances. This may look like the Gardening Thread because of the blossoms pictured above, but a fruit orchard in Paradise, California made it through the fire because the farm family had put in a firebreak. Their home is gone, though. The photo above is related to their reasons for gratitude and hope.

It may seem strange to people in the East, where some officials seemed unprepared for snow, and where global warming seems to be manifesting as colder weather, but the Camp Fire in Northern California has been burning since November 8. It seems kind of unusual even to people in California. As of early this morning, the death toll was up to 71, with the number of missing listed at over a thousand. Yesterday that number was less than 700. Not sure why that number has been changing so much. But it is a scary number.

President Trump is visiting today. In very poor air quality. Even here, 300 miles away, our forecast yesterday was "hazy with patchy smoke". Schools are closed all over the Bay Area and in parts of the Valley so people will stay indoors. Breathing masks are being distributed in Sacramento, which is south of the fire. It's a good sign that the President is coming. Some of those whacko environmentalists are also coming around to the realization that normal people were right. Strict non-management of the forests did not save many spotted owls around Paradise.

The Woolsey Fire in Southern California is closer to being under control. There are some other fires still burning.

Anyway, back to finding things to be grateful for. Gerard Van der Leun lost his home in Paradise, along with most of his possessions. But three days ago, he wrote about something interesting he had observed in the reactions of the people of Chico, where he is staying with his mother. Ordinary people like a girl working for J.C Penny, members of the Elks Lodge, neighbors setting up tables with goods for fire refugees, bankers and pharmacists:

They all were leaving it all on the field everywhere in Chico. From Penny's in the Mall to the Birkenstocks Store downtown on Broadway. In big jobs, and in small jobs, there was a long train of people working at the top of their game no matter what their game was. It has been days of this now in Chico; days of there being no big jobs or small jobs but only the unremitting effort the people to help their fellow citizens no matter what.

And since none of the Acronym Agencies have really shown up yet, this has all been done without any real government organization. Instead, it has been like watching a spontaneous Humanitarian Olympics rise up out of the town itself; and once started it has become as self-organizing and self-sustaining as the fire itself. Today as I moved around Chico I saw a town, untouched itself by the flames, rise up to restore and rebuild the lives of their fellow citizens of Paradise; lives that the fire had stolen. And by the end of the day, you could feel, palpably feel, that Chico knew it would win. Chico was leaving it all on the field.
Tomorrow? Chico will do the same.

You might want to read some of Gerard's other posts. Maybe send him a little cash.

Hope you have a great weekend. Got anything planned? Getting in the mood for Thanksgiving yet?

Remember that this is the Thread before the Gardening Thread:

Serving your mid-day open thread needs

Posted by: Open Blogger at 11:25 AM

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1 Welcome to California, Mr. President. Try to get any on you.

Posted by: 80's music fan at November 17, 2018 11:29 AM (tQkRb)

2 Hillz 2020 Scooby van.

https://bit.ly/2A020jO

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2018 11:30 AM (+y/Ru)

3 I think there is stuff now in the air that has been waiting to burn since the Nixon administration.

Posted by: 80's music fan at November 17, 2018 11:31 AM (tQkRb)

4 Top ten?

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at November 17, 2018 11:31 AM (+TuXx)

5 Hearing Prager every day talk how bad the fires are keeps me wondering how you out there are doing.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2018 11:32 AM (6VrXf)

6 See if you can get the Governor and the Governor elect to shake hands with each other and just stay of it yourself.

Posted by: 80's music fan at November 17, 2018 11:32 AM (tQkRb)

7 Ziggy Scumsuck and the Spiders From Mars.

https://bit.ly/2OPlL34

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2018 11:33 AM (+y/Ru)

8 Prayers of Thanksgiving for my middle son who moved to Dallas early in the year to seek his fortune and has, at last, found meaningful work.

It's funny - I don't worry about some of my kids but for others there is a bit of dread every time I get a text from them. With no reason. It's all in my head.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2018 11:35 AM (9rIkM)

9 Most every state has at the least a Firewise web site. Many have active outreach through fire fighters. Here in Eastern WA, they will come to your home and help you plan on things like clearing brush, building a fire defensive area around your homes. What plants to not have anywhere close by. Hint: juniper and eucalyptus. If CalFire isn't pushing for this hard they are utterly clueless or deliberately negligent. I simply do not understand how entire towns can be burned out like Paradise. I live in a small town and keep careful watch on the pasture behind my home. It is hard but worth it.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at November 17, 2018 11:36 AM (+TuXx)

10 I meant try not to get any on you.

Posted by: 80's music fan at November 17, 2018 11:37 AM (tQkRb)

11 Purple Air is showing our particulate matter in the South Bay at 211 right now, was 247 yesterday. Not as bad as some areas, but still sucks. Particulate masks sold out everywhere. Even sucks in Santa Cruz. Hopefully we'll get an offshore breeze and that rain really will come through next week.

Prayers for all those in Paradise.

Posted by: clutch cargo at November 17, 2018 11:37 AM (TUU1F)

12 I've long held that one of the things that separates America from the rest of the world is the generosity of her citizenry. In the worst of circumstances, sometimes (only sometimes), we're able to see the best side of humanity.
Prayers are with those affected by the fires, and by all manner of unpleasantness around the globe.

Posted by: Golden at November 17, 2018 11:38 AM (qIiT7)

13 but a fruit orchard in Paradise, California made it through the fire because the farm family had put in a firebreak.

Fire can't burn wood!

Posted by: CA Forestry Service at November 17, 2018 11:38 AM (DCYln)

14 The air here is simply dreadful. Unhealthy.
I had to go out yesterday, still coughing.
Fortunately, I have a couple of air purifiers in the house. They help a lot.
Masks when I go out. I bought a box of 10 last Thursday, gave some to my neighbors.
I hope this isn't going to be an annual event.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at November 17, 2018 11:39 AM (w7KSn)

15 I'm a fairly new, but now regular reader of GVDL's American Digest. Wonderful stuff. He's looking to selectively rebuild his library-- he had 3000+ volumes. He has established a physical mailing address. If you can donate a classic in good shape, I'm sure he'd appreciate it. Perhaps a mention of his plight on the Book Thread?

Posted by: Marica at November 17, 2018 11:40 AM (feS9x)

16 Missing in every natural disaster fluctuates with people losing homes and getting out but not reporting whereabouts I pray thats all it is.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2018 11:42 AM (6VrXf)

17 Some of those whacko environmentalists are also coming around to the realization that normal people were right.

That's not how it works.

Posted by: Team Green - Never In Doubt at November 17, 2018 11:43 AM (Z1eux)

18 Good morning, horde. Beautiful pic.

So, do all the regressives and NeverTrumpers (BIRM) have Da Sadz that the BadOrangeMan looks to be fofficially (and finally) getting another Senate ally? Cause that would be... awesome

Posted by: DocJ at November 17, 2018 11:44 AM (Vfj9+)

19 Sacramento here! Every time I complain about my house smelling like a campfire (as all the air does) I feel guilty.
Nobody is asking who you voted for before helping (Paradise area of CA leans right) and those receiving help will never get it all back ... but maybe they can get a little hope from their fellow man.

Posted by: Teacherweaver at November 17, 2018 11:45 AM (rgbVT)

20 I have wondered several times over the last week: How much toxic fumes were released when 7000 houses with all their assorted tvs, household cleaning supplies were incinerated? Thanks a LOT moonbeam for vetoing the 2016 cali bill to have utilities do fire risk mitigation. Could utilities have done mitigation on their own? I'm thinking not to any large extent since rate increases usually have to be approved, have to get EPA permits yada yada. The vetoed bill probably would have streamlined the process. Might not have been in time for Paradise but the sheer stupidity of Moonbeam and those who would elect stupidity like that in Cali, in Colo, and in other places just makes me cringe.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 17, 2018 11:49 AM (yRGcf)

21 Hmm.... Daniel Best, a man who was trying to lower drug prices for the Trump administration.

died...

Cause of death, multiple blunt force trauma, and the DC coroner just declared his death a suicide..

Wait... what?

Posted by: Don Q. at November 17, 2018 11:50 AM (NgKpN)

22 Not Hillary.
I will always be thankful for this.

Posted by: Captain Comic at November 17, 2018 11:52 AM (uRANX)

23 Wakes up.
Scratches.
Looks around.
Dang. It's Saturday already. I got nut'in.
Goes looking for coffee.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2018 11:52 AM (TGayj)

24 If you get out of the Bay Area and the west side of Los Angeles (it's sort of an assholeectomy), you'll find that regular Callifornians like those in Chico can rise up and create their own "Cajun Navy".

Posted by: Comanche Voter at November 17, 2018 11:53 AM (Sda6L)

25 Posted by: Don Q. at November 17, 2018 11:50 AM (NgKpN)

Seriously?

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 17, 2018 11:53 AM (uquGJ)

26 25 Posted by: Don Q. at November 17, 2018 11:50 AM (NgKpN)

Seriously?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 17, 2018 11:53 AM (uquGJ)

Yup.... I guess its now considered suicide to go against big Pharma?

Posted by: Don Q. at November 17, 2018 11:55 AM (NgKpN)

27 Prager had on a few guests about the fire. They said environmentalists are not helping trying to save every bush and tree and end up saving nothing.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2018 11:55 AM (6VrXf)

28 Chico is a great little town. A college town.
So sad to see this tragedy befall Paradise and Chico.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at November 17, 2018 11:56 AM (w7KSn)

29 Gimme that new times religion!

https://bit.ly/2OJycxj

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2018 11:56 AM (+y/Ru)

30 What is the acreage of the Camp Fire?

Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2018 11:57 AM (oozv8)

31 Well, I knew they were snakes.

https://bit.ly/2zZZ8ne

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2018 11:59 AM (+y/Ru)

32 "...trying to save every bush and tree and end up saving nothing."
Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2018 11:55 AM (6VrXf)

Same thing the late famous flyfishing writer Jack Brooks said many years ago. The Federation of Flyfishers was after Brooks to speak on the national level circuit about fisheries. He refused, saying, "I am trying to save a few streams in SW Montana. If I try to save everything, I will save nothing."

Posted by: Avenger at November 17, 2018 11:59 AM (X3php)

33 Hopefully we get enough rain next week to put a damper on the fire and clean up the air.

Posted by: Sjg at November 17, 2018 12:00 PM (gDSJf)

34 I wonder if a class action suit can be brought against any agencies in California for enacting such stupid forestry policies. It's astounding the amount of damage they were able to do.

People have got to decide to stop leftists from endangering their lives for the sake of leftist ideologies. Sanctuary cities, enviro-wacko forestry policies, Obama era policies that caused the Parkland shooting, etc.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 17, 2018 12:00 PM (/qEW2)

35 Steve and Cold Bear

Amend Sovereign Immunity.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 17, 2018 12:01 PM (hyuyC)

36 Trump is brilliant.
He endorses Pelosi as speaker, knowing that it weakens her with the Marxist Base.

Posted by: Jonah at November 17, 2018 12:01 PM (HrSJb)

37 I think the "let it burn" policy goes all the way to the US Forest Service.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at November 17, 2018 12:01 PM (w7KSn)

38 Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at November 17, 2018 11:39 AM (w7KSn)

Hubby and I have been wondering if air purifiers help with ordinary household dust. I don't trust online reviews anymore. Any suggestions for something affordable?

Posted by: girldog at November 17, 2018 12:01 PM (g5YYQ)

39 How many times must the same forest management lessons be learned?

Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2018 12:03 PM (MVjcR)

40 I have a couple of those Holmes air purifiers. They have HEPA filters.
Affordable, less than $100

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at November 17, 2018 12:03 PM (w7KSn)

41 20
Thanks a LOT moonbeam for vetoing the 2016 cali bill to have utilities do fire risk mitigation.
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 17, 2018 11:49 AM (yRGcf)

And then that scumbag immediately went out and blamed global warming and 'climate deniers'. Just when I think I can't hate leftists any more, they always manage to outdo themselves.

Posted by: rickl at November 17, 2018 12:04 PM (sdi6R)

42 Coming: Braun, Blackburn, Scott, Craemer, Hallaway,, DeSantis, Dewine, Kristi Noem
Going: McCain, Flake, Corker, Heller, Paul Ryan
I will take it

Posted by: Jonah at November 17, 2018 12:04 PM (HrSJb)

43 12 I've long held that one of the things that separates America from the rest of the world is the generosity of her citizenry. In the worst of circumstances, sometimes (only sometimes), we're able to see the best side of humanity.
Prayers are with those affected by the fires, and by all manner of unpleasantness around the globe.

Posted by: Golden at November 17, 2018 11:38 AM (qIiT7)

The only country I can think of with a similar reaction is Japan.

After the tsunami, they didn't wait for the government to help them, they got right to work, searching for survivors and cleaning up what they could.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at November 17, 2018 12:05 PM (R9+0K)

44 35 Steve and Cold Bear

Amend Sovereign Immunity.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 17, 2018 12:01 PM (hyuyC)

You know? I can't seem to find Sovereign Immunity anywhere in the Constitution.

I do find the peoples Right to petition for redress.

I do find equal application of the Law.

Can't seem to find where Government officials are protected from the consequences of their own actions.

Posted by: Don Q. at November 17, 2018 12:05 PM (NgKpN)

45 40. filters do not last long though. New ones every month at $15 a pop

Posted by: Jonah at November 17, 2018 12:05 PM (HrSJb)

46 https://pbs.tw___.com/media/DsKx7P6VYAASa6d.jpg:large

Posted by: Tryna Help at November 17, 2018 12:06 PM (TU9by)

47 15 I'm a fairly new, but now regular reader of GVDL's American Digest. Wonderful stuff. He's looking to selectively rebuild his library-- he had 3000+ volumes. He has established a physical mailing address. If you can donate a classic in good shape, I'm sure he'd appreciate it. Perhaps a mention of his plight on the Book Thread?
Posted by: Marica at November 17, 2018 11:40 AM (feS9x)
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Thanks for mentioning him. He lost his house and everything in it.

PLEASE post this on the book thread!

American Digest (dot org) has been one of my favorite sites for years.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 17, 2018 12:06 PM (Rxduq)

48 Well, it's about damn time!

https://bit.ly/2Tl7dvx

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2018 12:07 PM (+y/Ru)

49 I think the "let it burn" policy goes all the way to the US Forest Service.
Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at November 17, 2018 12:01 PM

Dreaming of a day when wise people apply a "let it burn" policy to the regulatory policies themselves. So to speak.

Posted by: Hands at November 17, 2018 12:08 PM (786Ro)

50
I was just out and about here in Pennsylvania and I could smell smoke in the air. We had a major snow event on Thursday where it was *supposed* to get up above freezing and turn to rain and instead it kept snowing through the rest of the day and through the night. Became a nightmare of backlogged roads for many hours. Totally unexpected.

I wondered if all the particulate matter from the California fires had anything to do with our lower temperatures.

You know what, fvck it. I'm just gonna say it - without absolute evidence - it's what the left does all the time. California's problem turned into a major problem for the states of PA, NJ, and NY.

Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 17, 2018 12:08 PM (e7O7B)

51 Was reading the artical at Legal Insurrection on the fires, remember also Prager had a Republican state representative who said he had lots of support from both side to get utilities hardened to protect from being ruptured and the governor vetoed it.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2018 12:09 PM (6VrXf)

52 >>I wondered if all the particulate matter from the California fires had anything to do with our lower temperatures.

No.

Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2018 12:11 PM (oozv8)

53 Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 17, 2018 12:08 PM

Sorry, that was me getting rid of a pine tree.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2018 12:11 PM (6VrXf)

54 I wondered if all the particulate matter from the California fires had anything to do with our lower temperatures.

No.

Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2018 12:11 PM

Show your work.

Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 17, 2018 12:14 PM (e7O7B)

55 Posted by: Tryna Help at November 17, 2018 12:06 PM

Fixed your link:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsKx7P6VYAASa6d.jpg:large

Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 17, 2018 12:15 PM (e7O7B)

56 >>Show your work.

I don't have to show any work. One look at the Jet Stream from the last week will show you that the Cali Smoke didn't make it anywhere near the NE.

Also, the Intermountain West and Mid-West were temperate all week.

Your cold snap came from Alberta.

Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2018 12:16 PM (oozv8)

57 Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 17, 2018 11:49 AM (yRGcf)

If you don't mind looking at an examination of the economic and educational horror show that is Chicago, you can watch this video to see how Democrats get people like Jerry Brown elected and then keep them in power. I found it riveting in a train wreck sort of way. CA is just following in Chicago's path.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/EM1lr2SBqmjP/

It's unfortunate that the guy brought race into an otherwise excellent presentation, because the issue is the government policies and unions that work to keep Chicagoans uneducated and illiterate. Race isn't a big part of his presentation, but it's there. Though he does seem to understand that black Chicagoans are unknowing victims of the Democrat party and it's public sector unions.

Posted by: girldog at November 17, 2018 12:16 PM (g5YYQ)

58 I don't have any grand answers on proper fire/forest management, but it sure seems they are doing it wrong ... and that is probably due to the "Green" thang really being a commie "death to America" thang at its heart. The EPA mostly on the same page.

So maybe Trump's Team can get any fed funding linked to responsible management (should be easier after recent fires) ... and maybe even take high speed rail off the (grifter) fast track and build more reservoirs where needed, instead of sending that fresh water to the ocean.

and yeah, if sunspot theories are correct, some serious cooling within the next 20 years is likely, arriving as soon as ... now. I might buy some seeds meant for Canada ... just in case. But yields in the corn belt could be decisively lower ... we'll see soon enough.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 17, 2018 12:17 PM (Cus5s)

59 Austin air HEPA filters. I bought mine used and the filters are expensive. They work like nothing else. We had smoke in the air here from the fire in the Gorge a year back and they cleared it in the house.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 17, 2018 12:17 PM (Lqy/e)

60 Sorry, that was me getting rid of a pine tree.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2018 12:11 PM

Hah!

Was over by the Acme.

Btw: Three for the price of one sirloin steak sale. Pretty stuff.
Worked out to about $3.99 a pound. Stock up.

Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 17, 2018 12:17 PM (e7O7B)

61 We had an active wildfire season on Colorado's western slope. The fires that were in steep territory and not threatening structures were allowed to burn unimpeded other than some air drops to control their direction if they headed toward homes.

It worked out well even though we have a lot of dead timber left over from the beetle kill days, which complicates matters.

Posted by: Avenger at November 17, 2018 12:18 PM (X3php)

62 Blaming the Northeast snowstorm on the California fires makes exactly as much sense as Gov. Brown blaming the fires on global warming. If he can do it, why can't we?

Posted by: rickl at November 17, 2018 12:20 PM (sdi6R)

63 Don Q.

11th Amendment.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 17, 2018 12:21 PM (hyuyC)

64
Who are your favorite YouTubers and Podcasters and Periscopers? I want to add to my list. Turned off the telly ages ago but I'm still addicted to noise.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 17, 2018 12:21 PM (13CQC)

65
Oh, and good morning.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 17, 2018 12:21 PM (13CQC)

66 and yeah, if sunspot theories are correct, some serious cooling within the next 20 years is likely, arriving as soon as ... now. I might buy some seeds meant for Canada ... just in case. But yields in the corn belt could be decisively lower ... we'll see soon enough.
Posted by: illiniwek at November 17, 2018 12:17 PM (Cus5s)

Maybe then they'll get the ethanol out of our gas.
HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2018 12:21 PM (y3cH7)

67 >>>Some of those whacko environmentalists are also coming around to the realization that normal people were right.

Ah. "Some". If they supported their policies because they would lead to the best outcomes for citizens and for the health of forests, this would change their minds. But others might be doing it for ideological reasons ("it's not nice to fool with Mother Nature") in which case nothing will change their minds. They'll shrug off the damage like parents whose daughters get raped and murdered here and in Europe because of open borders and just shrug it off and say, "Eh, it's a sacrifice we must live with, because open borders is an indispensable moral value. The most important".

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 17, 2018 12:22 PM (/qEW2)

68 62 Blaming the Northeast snowstorm on the California fires makes exactly as much sense as Gov. Brown blaming the fires on global warming. If he can do it, why can't we?
Posted by: rickl at November 17, 2018 12:20 PM (sdi6R)

Its China's fault actually.

China is putting huge amounts of CO2 in the air... and CO2 is plant food.

Thus, more brush! We should sue I tells ya!

Posted by: Don Q. at November 17, 2018 12:22 PM (NgKpN)

69 Your cold snap came from Alberta.

Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2018 12:16 PM

Okay, I'll take your word for it. But how the hell did so many forecasters up and down the NorthEast get it so terribly wrong? Five degrees off, at a time of year when one degree difference is critical.

Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 17, 2018 12:22 PM (e7O7B)

70 42 Coming: Braun, Blackburn, Scott, Craemer, Hallaway,, DeSantis, Dewine, Kristi Noem
Going: McCain, Flake, Corker, Heller, Paul Ryan
I will take it

.......................

Kristi in now the gov of SD.

Posted by: Molly k. at November 17, 2018 12:22 PM (PRtMG)

71 15 I'm a fairly new, but now regular reader of GVDL's American Digest. Wonderful stuff. He's looking to selectively rebuild his library-- he had 3000+ volumes. He has established a physical mailing address. If you can donate a classic in good shape, I'm sure he'd appreciate it. Perhaps a mention of his plight on the Book Thread?
Posted by: Marica at November 17, 2018 11:40 AM (feS9x)
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Thanks for the heads up. I will donate, and I'm going to peruse my shelves for a classic. Maybe some Catullus...

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 17, 2018 12:23 PM (kQs4Y)

72 Fire reports, continuously updated:

https://inciweb.nwcg.gov

Posted by: tumbleweed at November 17, 2018 12:24 PM (i+oH0)

73 Blaming the Northeast snowstorm on the California fires makes exactly as much sense as Gov. Brown blaming the fires on global warming.

In other words, you have proven that global warming caused the snowstorm.

Posted by: t-bird at November 17, 2018 12:24 PM (nIvDu)

74 THE Ohio State University is getting THEIR asses kicked.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 17, 2018 12:24 PM (gC2IV)

75 >>>People have got to decide to stop leftists from endangering their lives for the sake of leftist ideologies

they won't. my ma founded a natural springs committee decades ago to provide a water source for the wildlife in what used to be cattle ranches (which were either sold/donated to the state) they'd clear trails, manage the water sources and remove barbwire, etc. on weekend camp outs.

many years of effort and it was all privately funded.

...then came the park rangers/rules and regs which basically ended her desire to help. she knew the land better than they did and they didn't like it.

Posted by: concrete girl at November 17, 2018 12:24 PM (9ORmh)

76 If we are heading into a Little Ice Age, it will be fun to watch the erstwhile warmists insist that the solution for the colder climate is exactly the same as the solution for a warmer climate: Less capitalism and more socialism. Less individual liberty and more government control.

Posted by: rickl at November 17, 2018 12:25 PM (sdi6R)

77 ...then came the park rangers/rules and regs which basically ended her desire to help. she knew the land better than they did and they didn't like it.
Posted by: concrete girl at November 17, 2018 12:24 PM (9ORmh)

Showing yet again there is nothing the state can't and won't fuck up.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2018 12:26 PM (y3cH7)

78 I will donate, and I'm going to peruse my shelves for a classic. Maybe some Catullus...
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 17, 2018 12:23 PM (kQs4Y)

On what other blog site could you even imagine seeing this kind of comment?

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at November 17, 2018 12:26 PM (f3oO4)

79 But how the hell did so many forecasters up and down the NorthEast get it so terribly wrong?

"Concensus" science.

Posted by: t-bird at November 17, 2018 12:26 PM (nIvDu)

80 63 Don Q.

11th Amendment.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 17, 2018 12:21 PM (hyuyC)

That says that citizens of a State, cannot use Federal Courts, to sue another State.

It does NOT say you can't sue the Federal court, to sue the Feds.

It just says you must use the State Court to sue that State.

Posted by: Don Q. at November 17, 2018 12:26 PM (NgKpN)

81 Melania to Michelle:

"Don't need your advice, I'm an independent woman."

Meee--OW.

Posted by: Avenger at November 17, 2018 12:26 PM (X3php)

82 Austin air HEPA filters. I bought mine used and the filters are expensive. They work like nothing else. We had smoke in the air here from the fire in the Gorge a year back and they cleared it in the house.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 17, 2018 12:17 PM (Lqy/e)

Nice to know.

Posted by: girldog at November 17, 2018 12:27 PM (g5YYQ)

83
Blaming the Northeast snowstorm on the California fires makes exactly as much sense as Gov. Brown blaming the fires on global warming. If he can do it, why can't we?

Posted by: rickl at November 17, 2018 12:20 PM

I'm totally in favor. Class action suit on behalf of thousands of local townships, a number of states. Salt, plowing, overtime. Billions of dollars in lost man-hours, production lost, damaged vehicles. Hospitalizations, ambulance rides. I could go on all day...

If the state wasn't already bankrupt we could bankrupt it.

Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 17, 2018 12:28 PM (e7O7B)

84 >>Meee--OW.

I don't think it can be a cat fight if one of them is a Sasquatch?

Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2018 12:28 PM (oozv8)

85 I'm in the Bay Area right now and the air quality is just awful. Gives everything a grim, oppressive feeling.

Posted by: Max Power at November 17, 2018 12:29 PM (q177U)

86 Well moonbeam quietly signed the bill to allow utilities to do some brush clearing and charge households $5 per year (for now, that will creep up I am sure). Controller burns need to be part of the fire management strategy as well.

Posted by: IC at November 17, 2018 12:29 PM (4lu7W)

87 prayers for California

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at November 17, 2018 12:29 PM (XZ3Gp)

88 Melania is getting feisty ..I like it.

Posted by: IC at November 17, 2018 12:30 PM (4lu7W)

89 >>But how the hell did so many forecasters up and down the NorthEast get it so terribly wrong?

Phoning it in.

Forecasters do little more than read , relay and mildly interpret the information NOAA makes available.

You should be able to do a whole lot better with the same info as you have no real need to impress anyone.

Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2018 12:30 PM (oozv8)

90 Lab-grown organs 'go rogue'; Develop brain, muscle...

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Sounds like a Hammer Film Productions movie.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2018 12:31 PM (+y/Ru)

91 >>I'm in the Bay Area right now and the air quality is just awful. Gives everything a grim, oppressive feeling.

Yep. Now, try living with it for 3+ months while nobody, anywhere cares.

Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2018 12:31 PM (oozv8)

92 Melania is getting feisty ..I like it.

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I'd prefer her frisky.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2018 12:32 PM (+y/Ru)

93 >>Lab-grown organs 'go rogue'; Develop brain, muscle...

Sounds like the sequel to 'Hobo With a Shotgun'.

Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2018 12:32 PM (oozv8)

94 Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2018 12:28 PM (oozv

Mixed Martial Arts?

Posted by: Avenger at November 17, 2018 12:34 PM (X3php)

95 "Maybe then they'll get the ethanol out of our gas. Posted by: Insomniac

If yields dropped from 165 to 125, yeah, ethanol would probably be out, but corn would be twice as much. Cotton would be out too ... everyting would move toward food is my guess. Victory gardens for the win. Coal could bring IL out of deep debt, maybe even CA would start drilling off the coast, save their debt crisis?

I listened to one long lecture on sunspot theory thing ... sounded pretty credible, though I didn't really follow all the science. We've had a few days where we beat record lows by 10 to 12 degrees ... but September was unusually warm ... global warming was pure political crap, but a sunspot led cooling period seems quite plausible, possibly predictable. (the scientist doing the presentation sounded like Aunt Bea)
youtube.com/watch?v=2NI1bQe8I4A

Posted by: illiniwek at November 17, 2018 12:34 PM (Cus5s)

96 74 THE Ohio State University is getting THEIR asses kicked.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 17, 2018 12:24 PM (gC2IV)
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By an ACC team no less!!!

(Do not argue with me.)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 17, 2018 12:36 PM (Rxduq)

97
73 Blaming the Northeast snowstorm on the California fires makes exactly as much sense as Gov. Brown blaming the fires on global warming.

Posted by: t-bird at November 17, 2018 12:24 PM

Temps in ND are supposedly 20 degrees *below* normal. My sister is completely convinced that this is due to global warming.

However, she voted a straight Republican ticket because of all the other Democrat insanity, so I let her carry on about it. For now.

Posted by: girldog at November 17, 2018 12:36 PM (g5YYQ)

98 The Austin Airs are built like tanks. You can run them 24x7 for 20 years easily. Filters are about $250 and last about five years. Change the prefilters yearly (about $30). I have bad lungs and I have three in the house.

I sent a link for Gerard's story on that orchard to the head of the WA state Apple Commission. I doubt much will come of it but seemed like the right thing to do.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 17, 2018 12:36 PM (Lqy/e)

99 Nobody is asking who you voted for before helping (Paradise area of CA leans right) and those receiving help will never get it all back ... but maybe they can get a little hope from their fellow man.

And as soon as you are done helping them out of the generosity and goodness of your heart, they will immediately pick right back up on destroying your culture, your economy, your career and your way of life.

Such is the human condition.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at November 17, 2018 12:36 PM (boNFp)

100 Number of Witches in USA on Rise...

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Tell me about it.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2018 12:38 PM (+y/Ru)

101 I'm glad to hear the Noble Orchard survived, I had heard that it has some the best fruit in NorCal.

Posted by: Smoked Surfperch at November 17, 2018 12:38 PM (OUaW7)

102 81 Melania to Michelle:

"Don't need your advice, I'm an independent woman."

Meee--OW.
Posted by: Avenger at November 17, 2018 12:26 PM (X3php)
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Heh. Did she really say that?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 17, 2018 12:38 PM (Rxduq)

103 It's almost as if communities might have once come together and helped themselves and others in times of need without having to be dependent on government ... or something.

But as we all know, history started in 2008.

I am grateful for innumerable things, and remind myself of this frequently. If I had to pick one word (among so many) to describe the ugliest psychological trait of, and my disgust for, folks on the Left -- it would have to be: ingratitude.

A close second would be irrationality (a willful evasion of reality/history/causality, et. al. owing -- or at least subservient -- to an animalistic slavishness to emotion).

Posted by: ShainS - Kavanaugh Shitshow Survivor at November 17, 2018 12:39 PM (WqPYg)

104 Been reading about the possible Maunder Minimum development for a few years now as sunspot activity has dropped off.

No sunspots is like when the drums stop in Africa.

Big problem. Just got a winter getaway in a warm area to cover the possibility of rough winters, which looks likely.

Posted by: Avenger at November 17, 2018 12:39 PM (X3php)

105 74 THE Ohio State University is getting THEIR asses kicked.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 17, 2018 12:24 PM (gC2IV)
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That's good, because otherwise they couldn't find them with their collective hands.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 17, 2018 12:39 PM (kQs4Y)

106
Melania to Michelle:

"Don't need your advice, I'm an independent woman."
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Probably explains why Michelle went all mean-girl on Melania about that gift on the White House steps -- the identical gesture Michelle had extended to Laura Bush 8 years earlier. Bullying mean-girl bitch liar, with Ellen as her platform.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 17, 2018 12:40 PM (13CQC)

107 rickl that is exactly what will happen, every crisis is man made and having bigger government control is the only answer

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2018 12:40 PM (6VrXf)

108 73 Blaming the Northeast snowstorm on the California fires makes exactly as much sense as Gov. Brown blaming the fires on global warming.

I beg to differ.

Lookup how to seed clouds.

I submit that this frenzy to remove all things in the air has led to abnormal rain cycles. Moisture in the air needs to bind to something in order to make rain. "Pollution" is that binding agent.

So you have this air overhead, and it has smoke particles to cling to then it can become heavy enough to form rain.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at November 17, 2018 12:41 PM (boNFp)

109 Turned off the telly ages ago but I'm still addicted to noise.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 17, 2018 12:21 PM

Addicted to Noise would be cool name for a band.

Posted by: Hands at November 17, 2018 12:41 PM (786Ro)

110 I don't think it can be a cat fight if one of them is a Sasquatch?
Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2018 12:28 PM (oozv

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It's more like bear-baiting.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 17, 2018 12:41 PM (kQs4Y)

111 Years ago I ran into Jerry Brown at the Coronado Marriot. I was out there for the Super Bowl between Oakland and Tampa. I said oh, I know you! You're Mr Ronstadt! He was not amused.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 17, 2018 12:42 PM (gC2IV)

112
but September was unusually warm ... global warming was pure political crap, but a sunspot led cooling period seems quite plausible

In a cool-downed sun theory, it no longer blast cosmic rays away from the Earth, instead they hit our upper atmosphere and cause clouds and precipitation in areas prone to such. Anyone in the DE, PA, NJ, and NY area knows this was the summer without much sun, and a whole lot of rain. Day after day, then a tiny respite. I have over a dozen flood alert warnings on my phone from this summer. A 'normal' summer? Zero, maybe one.

A couple days ago, snow in Mexico, across Texas into Louisiana. Before the first New York snow.

Something is happening.

Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 17, 2018 12:42 PM (e7O7B)

113 Heh. Did she really say that?
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 17, 2018 12:38 PM (Rxduq)

menrec.com
1 day ago � Melania Trump has responded to Michelle Obama's revelation that an offer for advice has been ignored, saying she is a "strong and independent woman."

Posted by: Avenger at November 17, 2018 12:42 PM (X3php)

114 Don Q

Subsequent case law helped. I think Congress can make it go away for specific cases, like patent cases.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 17, 2018 12:43 PM (hyuyC)

115 I didn't see if Joe Bastardi had anything to say about the snowstorm, because I usually only check his twitter feed during hurricanes.

Where I live in SE PA, it's not unusual to be right on the cusp of getting rain, snow, or wintry mix depending on a slight variation in the temperature. Weather forecasting is not an exact science, so I don't fault the forecasters for being off by a few degrees. It's not as if the storm itself came out of nowhere and took them by surprise.

Posted by: rickl at November 17, 2018 12:43 PM (sdi6R)

116 , but a sunspot led cooling period seems quite plausible, possibly predictable. (the scientist doing the presentation sounded like Aunt Bea)
youtube.com/watch?v=2NI1bQe8I4A
Posted by: illiniwek at November 17, 2018 12:34 PM (Cus5s)

We're at a predicted minimum. It'll start visibly turning around the last part 2019 or the first part of 2020. The new cycle has actually already started.

Everything that I've seen points to a normal solar cycle.

Posted by: Sooner at November 17, 2018 12:43 PM (Fs5vw)

117 >>Something is happening.

Always.

Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2018 12:43 PM (oozv8)

118 Chico is a great little town. A college town.

So sad to see this tragedy befall Paradise and Chico.

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at November 17, 2018 11:56 AM (w7KSn)
Know Chico well. My mother lived in Oroville and we were often in Chico. Friendly, nice college students (unlike Berzerkley twits) and a "small town" atmosphere. Son-in-law graduated Chico State back in 1983.

Posted by: Grannymimi at November 17, 2018 12:43 PM (u5LFV)

119 "I have over a dozen flood alert warnings on my phone from this summer. A 'normal' summer? Zero, maybe one."

I'm pretty sure Joe Bastardi (anti-global warming) said the rain was tied to the switching from La Nina to El Nino.

Posted by: Avenger at November 17, 2018 12:44 PM (X3php)

120 I am grateful for innumerable things, and remind myself of this frequently. If I had to pick one word (among so many) to describe the ugliest psychological trait of, and my disgust for, folks on the Left -- it would have to be: ingratitude.

When the apostle Paul articulates the Road Of Reprobation in Romans 1, the very first thing that starts the chain is ingratitude

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at November 17, 2018 12:45 PM (boNFp)

121 switching from La Nina to El Nino.
Posted by: Avenger at November 17, 2018 12:44 PM (X3php)

Trans-weather pattern?

Posted by: Pug Mahon at November 17, 2018 12:45 PM (TI8Od)

122 "Thanks for the heads up. I will donate, and I'm going to peruse my shelves for a classic. Maybe some Catullus... "

And then the "on what other blog" response!

Brilliant. I sent him five books but didn't even think about my spare copy of Catullus. Good call!

Posted by: Marica at November 17, 2018 12:45 PM (feS9x)

123 We're at a predicted minimum. It'll start visibly turning around the last part 2019 or the first part of 2020. The new cycle has actually already started.

Everything that I've seen points to a normal solar cycle.
Posted by: Sooner at November 17, 2018 12:43 PM (Fs5vw)

So, not a Maunder? Sunspots will come back soon?

Posted by: Avenger at November 17, 2018 12:45 PM (X3php)

124 I submit that this frenzy to remove all things in the air has led to abnormal rain cycles. Moisture in the air needs to bind to something in order to make rain. "Pollution" is that binding agent.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at November 17, 2018 12:41 PM (boNFp)

Look man, we can only do so much.

Posted by: USAF Chemtrail Corps at November 17, 2018 12:45 PM (t+qrx)

125 Trans-weather pattern?
Posted by: Pug Mahon at November 17, 2018 12:45 PM (TI8Od)

Surgery set for February!

Posted by: Avenger at November 17, 2018 12:46 PM (X3php)

126 104 Been reading about the possible Maunder Minimum development for a few years now as sunspot activity has dropped off.

No sunspots is like when the drums stop in Africa.

Big problem. Just got a winter getaway in a warm area to cover the possibility of rough winters, which looks likely.
Posted by: Avenger at November 17, 2018 12:39 PM (X3php)

Yes, sunspot activity has been low for years now.

Posted by: Gem at November 17, 2018 12:48 PM (XoAz8)

127 Flew into Sacramento yesterday and the air quality was abysmal. That poor community of Paradise.

Posted by: keena at November 17, 2018 12:48 PM (47Cxi)

128 The smoke gets worse throughout the day as the air warms in the sun, it pushes the smoke downward.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 17, 2018 12:48 PM (EZebt)

129 Posted by: Avenger at November 17, 2018 12:45 PM (X3php)

Give it a couple of years. Sunspots will be back. And being a amateur radio operator, I can't wait for that to happen.

Posted by: Sooner at November 17, 2018 12:48 PM (Fs5vw)

130
Heh. Did she really say that?

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If you paste THIS into Google
"Don't need your advice, I'm an independent woman."

quotes, and all, you'll get all the hits. I don't want to link a particular one, because they're all little media joints that blow up your screen with popups and garbage.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 17, 2018 12:48 PM (13CQC)

131 Brilliant. I sent him five books but didn't even think about my spare copy of Catullus. Good call!
Posted by: Marica at November 17, 2018 12:45 PM (feS9x)
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Do you think he'd like olde copies of Les Miserables or Vanity Fair?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at November 17, 2018 12:49 PM (kQs4Y)

132 "No sunspots is like when the drums stop in Africa. "

Bass solo?

Posted by: navybrat, sometime commentater at November 17, 2018 12:50 PM (w7KSn)

133 Posted by: Avenger at November 17, 2018 12:45 PM (X3php)

Give it a couple of years. Sunspots will be back. And being a amateur radio operator, I can't wait for that to happen.
Posted by: Sooner at November 17, 2018 12:48 PM (Fs5vw)

That would be nice. We get to 37 below at what is now our summer place occasionally. Don't want to experience Siberia in America. Hell, IIRC gasoline freezes at around 41 below.

Posted by: Avenger at November 17, 2018 12:51 PM (X3php)

134 Lordy..Maryland is on a roll leaving The Ohio state in the dust.

Posted by: IC at November 17, 2018 12:51 PM (4lu7W)

135 Due for a new Little Ice Age.

Do not invest in Greenland vineyard startups.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 17, 2018 12:51 PM (1g7ch)

136 Addicted to Noise would be cool name for a band.
Posted by: Hands at November 17, 2018 12:41 PM (786Ro)

I've noticed that the folks at aceofspadeshq think pretty much everything is a good name for a band.

And they've all seen them opening a concert somewhere.

Posted by: girldog at November 17, 2018 12:52 PM (g5YYQ)

137 >>Something is happening.

Always.

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They just won't sit quietly in their rooms.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 17, 2018 12:52 PM (+y/Ru)

138
Heh. Did she really say that?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 17, 2018 12:38 PM (Rxduq)

menrec.com

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Okay, yes, that's where I saw it. Be sure to watch the little vid from Good Morning America or whatever it is to get a load of Michelle's unrepressed anger that Melania hasn't called to reveal her problems to that bullying mean-girl -- as IF.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 17, 2018 12:52 PM (13CQC)

139 Do you think he'd like olde copies of Les Miserables or Vanity Fair?

Here's the link to his book burning post. http://americandigest.org/wp/my-new-mailbox/#comments

If you're not familiar with American Digest, he might sound a little prickly but he's not. I'll not speak for him, but I cannot imagine just how utterly exhausted all those folks must be.

Posted by: Marica at November 17, 2018 12:52 PM (feS9x)

140 the woman I linked to ... iirc, said it was not really a Maunder minimum thingy exactly. Another person at the end said their ideas/research came up with same (mostly) results using a different approach.

I'm not sure who says sunspots are returning to "normal" or that we are at the end of that cycle ... but I haven't followed it for a while. The warmists are still in denial and not interested in actual science ... it is political and paycheck for them, imo.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 17, 2018 12:54 PM (Cus5s)

141
Where I live in SE PA, it's not unusual to be right on the cusp of getting rain, snow, or wintry mix depending on a slight variation in the temperature. Weather forecasting is not an exact science, so I don't fault the forecasters for being off by a few degrees. It's not as if the storm itself came out of nowhere and took them by surprise.

Posted by: rickl at November 17, 2018 12:43 PM

We're probably not far away from each other. I'm Northern Chester county and Skip is right across the river in Montgomery County.

Yes, they knew the storm was going to be something, but they repeatedly assured us it was going to warm up during the day and be a nothing. I have 34 degrees written down (I do this every morning) as the predicted high for the day. It never warmed up. Stayed below or at freezing all day.

That's the issue I have. Why did they think it would warm, and why were they so totally wrong? Someone must have been looking at the temps coming out of Alberta if that's where it was blowing from.

Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 17, 2018 12:54 PM (e7O7B)

142 It just says you must use the State Court to sue that State.

Posted by: Don Q. at November 17, 2018 12:26 PM (NgKpN)

And the state courts here in Kalimexifornicatistan are mostly Moonbeam supporters.

Posted by: Grannymimi at November 17, 2018 12:56 PM (u5LFV)

143 >>That's the issue I have. Why did they think it would warm

Odds are they were expecting a boundary shift before the front from the North moved in.

If whtever was going on in the SW / S. Midwest stalled are retreated a bit, bam - temps drop 2-4 degrees rather than rise.

Posted by: garrett at November 17, 2018 12:56 PM (oozv8)

144 Ingratitude is a big deal for me. If I find someone can't say thank you, I just don't want to deal with them.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 17, 2018 12:58 PM (Lqy/e)

145

Old Dracula is on TV.

(no, not soros)

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 17, 2018 12:59 PM (nQ9NA)

146 It was the change over to rain that never happened, it snowed the entire time. Many I am working around had multi hour trips home.
We do have many lines in this area within 20 miles of weather changes.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2018 01:00 PM (6VrXf)

147 Girl Franpsycho just texted that she and her friends are driving up to Tahoe to get out of the smoke.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 17, 2018 01:00 PM (EZebt)

148 To those discussing the weather, may I recommend the app, "Windy.com" Free. Phone, tablet, computer; Apple & PC. It has four different forecast models (you choose one or an overlay). Every conceivable thing you'd want to see-- radar, sat, rain, lightening, wave, wind, wind gusts, precip type, dew point, etc. Oh. Also little tiny arrows all over indicating wind speed & direction.

Posted by: Marica at November 17, 2018 01:00 PM (feS9x)

149 Been a while since I read the sunspot theories. But IIRC the 30 second short versions is the spots are a proxy for solar activity and less solar wind means more cosmic rays which leads to more clouds and the higher albedo (reflecting sun back into space) makes for a cooler planet.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 17, 2018 01:00 PM (yRGcf)

150 103---....If I had to pick one word (among so many) to describe the ugliest psychological trait of, and my disgust for, folks on the Left -- it would have to be: ingratitude....

Posted by: ShainS - Kavanaugh Shitshow Survivor at November 17, 2018 12:39 PM (WqPYg)
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THIS x 1000.

Cicero considered gratitude to be the greatest of private virtues since, without it, one can be neither happy nor good.

We ALL must work to cultivate the virtue, of course.
But the Left arduously works to cultivate and increase its satanic opposite.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 17, 2018 01:01 PM (Rxduq)

151
Weekend shopping.

Hadrian: 22 minutes, $89.

Hadrian and Her Majesty: 1 hour, 17 minutes, $231.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2018 01:01 PM (LsBY9)

152 114 Don Q

Subsequent case law helped. I think Congress can make it go away for specific cases, like patent cases.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 17, 2018 12:43 PM (hyuyC)

Was looking into it a bit... appears that it was another thing the Supremes decided out of whole cloth.

They decided they did not have Jurisdiction, based on English Common Law, not the Constitution itself.

They decided the State was Sovereign, not the Citizen, and yet we constantly see the Government being sued.

Hell, even the President is being sued, but for some reason we can't sue Government officials even when they break the law (not effectively).

Posted by: Don Q. at November 17, 2018 01:02 PM (NgKpN)

153 146 It was the change over to rain that never happened, it snowed the entire time. Many I am working around had multi hour trips home.
We do have many lines in this area within 20 miles of weather changes.
Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2018 01:00 PM (6VrXf)

I left work at 5:30 pm and the traffic wasn't too bad. I heard that people who left earlier got stuck in huge traffic snarls.

Posted by: rickl at November 17, 2018 01:02 PM (sdi6R)

154 The Gardening Thread is up. Or you can hang around here.

Posted by: KT at November 17, 2018 01:02 PM (BVQ+1)

155 nood

Posted by: Hands at November 17, 2018 01:04 PM (786Ro)

156 I have a volunteer cherry tomato that is still going. It outgrew the ones in pots. I keep pulling the blooms off as it's too late to set fruit. And it hasn't been cold enough yet to kill it. The problem is that it'a not a tasty cherry tomato.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 17, 2018 01:05 PM (Lqy/e)

157 I left work at 5:30 pm and the traffic wasn't too bad. I heard that people who left earlier got stuck in huge traffic snarls.

Posted by: rickl at November 17, 2018 01:02 PM

At 3 pm Google traffic had I76 at a standstill in both directions from Philly to King of Prussia. 202 south, same congestion.

People who left early got nailed the worst. But schools let out early and moms had to get home to do the mom thing.

Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 17, 2018 01:05 PM (e7O7B)

158 That's the issue I have. Why did they think it would
warm, and why were they so totally wrong? Someone must have been
looking at the temps coming out of Alberta if that's where it was
blowing from.
Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 17, 2018 12:54 PM (e7O7B)

I was told that if you are a weather reporter and you do not parrot what NOAA says and are worse at predicting than they are, you get your certification yanked.

But if you parrot what NOAA says and they are wrong, well Ooops.

So why bother with those charts and risk it?

Posted by: Kindltot at November 17, 2018 01:06 PM (mUa7G)

159 >>>Tahoe

winters of my youth...used to want to live there, but now i live a way better place.

Posted by: concrete girl at November 17, 2018 01:07 PM (9ORmh)

160 Notsothoreau at November 17, 2018 01:05 PM
This is not the Gardening Thread. But even most tasty cherry tomatoes will not be tasty this time of year outdoors. Some of the dark cherries, maybe. And Napa Grape.

Posted by: KT at November 17, 2018 01:09 PM (BVQ+1)

161 Hadrian: 22 minutes, $89.
Hadrian and Her Majesty: 1 hour, 17 minutes, $231.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 17, 2018 01:01 PM (LsBY9)

$89 / 22 min = $4.05 / min

$231 / 77 min = $3 / min

Therefore, it is cheaper to shop with Her Majesty.

Posted by: tumbleweed at November 17, 2018 01:09 PM (i+oH0)

162 There was a weather guy in Ft Worth on a local channel in the 50s-60's who would disagree with the other weather folks a lot. He was right (locally) more often than the rest.

Posted by: Avenger at November 17, 2018 01:10 PM (X3php)

163 Okay, yes, that's where I saw it. Be sure to watch the little vid from Good Morning America or whatever it is to get a load of Michelle's unrepressed anger that Melania hasn't called to reveal her problems to that bullying mean-girl -- as IF.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 17, 2018 12:52 PM

And then the MSM would put out the details of that Michelle-Melania call, cherrypicking stuff that would show Orange Man Bad. Based on - wait for it - "annonymous sources", totally not Mrs Obama.

Posted by: Hands at November 17, 2018 01:11 PM (786Ro)

164 Dayum, Maryland has 250 yards rushing on OSU and there's still 6 minutes left in the first half.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 17, 2018 01:12 PM (gC2IV)

165 Been reading about the possible Maunder Minimum development for a few years now as sunspot activity has dropped off.

No sunspots is like when the drums stop in Africa.

Big problem. Just got a winter getaway in a warm area to cover the possibility of rough winters, which looks likely.
Posted by: Avenger at November 17, 2018 12:39 PM (X3php)

Interesting (and scary) stuff. Reading up on it now.

Posted by: Max Power at November 17, 2018 01:15 PM (q177U)

166 What I wish Melania had said

The fuq do I need her advice on? I was a fucking super model and she looks like a shaved Yeti. Pass!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 17, 2018 01:16 PM (gC2IV)

167 I am working in KoP, 12 miles took me 52 minutes, GPS had me avg 13mph. I have 4wd and was up to 35mph after got off highway. There were to many people going 5mph to get around.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2018 01:17 PM (6VrXf)

168 I'm glad I bit the bullet and did a thorough leaf cleanup of my backyard last weekend. I was all like, "But I don't wanna!"

I wouldn't be able to do it today with the lingering snow and wet ground.

I'm still going to have to go over it once more before winter, but the bulk of the leaf cleanup has been accomplished. And I wasn't planning to do it this weekend anyway.

Posted by: rickl at November 17, 2018 01:17 PM (sdi6R)

169 166 What I wish Melania had said

The fuq do I need her advice on? I was a fucking super model and she looks like a shaved Yeti. Pass!
Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 17, 2018 01:16 PM (gC2IV)

Decorum and shit. You know how it is.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2018 01:19 PM (NWiLs)

170 Ingratitude is a big deal for me. If I find someone can't say thank you, I just don't want to deal with them.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 17, 2018 12:58 PM (Lqy/e)

Hmm. Now that I think about it, ingratitude seems to be the defining characteristic of troublesome teens. At least the ones I've known.

Posted by: girldog at November 17, 2018 01:20 PM (g5YYQ)

171 The Maunder Minimum is a particular "grand minimum" it seems ... others have other names (Wolf, Oort, Homer) ... this woman's approach looked at magnetic dipoles or some such on the sun ... which are linked or correspond highly to the sunspots. This link gives a short synopsis in writing, to avoid the long video.

imo (not really understanding all the mathy stuff) it is still in the theory stage, but with some impressive correlations (?). they look at more than one oscillation, so I kinda lost track ... apparently some "real scientists" found it interesting.

https://tinyurl.com/y8opn7w4

Posted by: illiniwek at November 17, 2018 01:21 PM (Cus5s)

172 I wouldn't be able to do it today with the lingering snow and wet ground.

Just spent 3 hours doing that. With the constant rain/snow it was not fun. I actually had to use a snow shovel to scoop up the leaves into a heavy duty wheelbarrow and run them out to the curb one load at a time. At a shade over 29, I'm gettin' too old for this shit.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 17, 2018 01:22 PM (Tyii7)

173 150
Cicero considered gratitude to be the greatest of private virtues since, without it, one can be neither happy nor good.

We ALL must work to cultivate the virtue, of course.
But the Left arduously works to cultivate and increase its satanic opposite.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 17, 2018 01:01 PM (Rxduq)

People who receive charity are usually grateful for the kindness of strangers.

People who think they have a "right" to government "entitlements" will bitch that they aren't getting enough. Then they will vote for politicians who promise to give them more.

Socialism is basically institutionalized envy.

Posted by: rickl at November 17, 2018 01:25 PM (sdi6R)

174
My tractor was outside up on the high ground on my property because most years I'll cut up until Thanksgiving. So I trudged through the snow, fired it up (thank you gasoline additives). Luckily, I was able to run it downhill to the driveway and put the chains on it in the garage without getting stuck.

I wonder if current generation kids would even attempt to work with tire chains. Would make a funny YouTube video.

Pushing even that heavy wet shit with the plow was a breeze. Heart attack stuff with a shovel. My rain gauge says two to three inches of total wetness.

Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 17, 2018 01:26 PM (e7O7B)

175 Thanks for the links to the Melania story, Avenger and Blonde Morticia!

For two years the media has been treating Melania like absolute sh*t. Sh*t.
They ignore her as much as possible ---usually I have to go to the Europeans to see what she's doing and wearing.
They criticize every damn thing she does, from Christmas decorations to speeches on cyber-bullying.

Perhaps if Queen Mooch had ever said one single kind word on Melania's behalf, perhaps if to some tiny extent she had admonished the MSM for being so nasty, Melania might take Mooch's offer of advice in good faith.
But NO.

And all Mooch does now is whine about how SHE, the one the MSM drooled over for 8 years, was under pressure to be "perfect!"

*spit*

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 17, 2018 01:28 PM (Rxduq)

176 Mooch and I were your absolute worst nightmare. The antithesis of loyal Americans. Fundamental change, baby!

Posted by: Baracky O'Cracky at November 17, 2018 01:30 PM (Tyii7)

177
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 17, 2018 01:28 PM (Rxduq)

"Just look at those toned arms!"

Posted by: Avenger at November 17, 2018 01:31 PM (X3php)

178 http://bit.ly/2zg7vLQ
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Donald Trump says U.S. won't extradite Muslim cleric to Turkey - Washington Times
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Remember a few being pissed about Fake Snooze media saying WH was thinking about turning him over to Turkey. Once again FAKE

Posted by: MSM is the Deep States Mentall Ill Girlfriend at November 17, 2018 01:32 PM (BqBId)

179 174
Pushing even that heavy wet shit with the plow was a breeze. Heart attack stuff with a shovel. My rain gauge says two to three inches of total wetness.
Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 17, 2018 01:26 PM (e7O7B)

I did have to push some heavy slush off the driveway with a shovel. I start in the center and use the shovel as a plow and push it off to either side just enough so I can get my car out. That's much better than trying to lift it and throw it.

Posted by: rickl at November 17, 2018 01:34 PM (sdi6R)

180 Bastardi says warmup coming in late Nov-early Dec.

East staying pretty cold though. He's predicting unsettled weather with more strong cold blasts than good warmups this winter.

Posted by: Avenger at November 17, 2018 01:38 PM (X3php)

181 rickl

How's your health? Hope you are well.

Are any one of your smoking heath team members helping your cardio fitness?

You don't really have to answer. Just envious. Miss Smolensk Potato Harvest of 1957 is one of my health team members.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 17, 2018 01:38 PM (hyuyC)

182 I have to go to the grocery store.
So why don't I?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 17, 2018 01:38 PM (Rxduq)

183 NOTE: Sgt/ Mom has a fine rant up at Chcago Boyz about the indifference of the Ruling Class to regular people. The Camp Fire is used as one example.

https://tinyurl.com/ycckzzhq

Posted by: KT at November 17, 2018 01:39 PM (BVQ+1)

184
I start in the center and use the shovel as a plow and push it off to either side just enough so I can get my car out. That's much better than trying to lift it and throw it.

Posted by: rickl at November 17, 2018 01:34 PM

After shoveling snow for a lot more then my 29 years I finally broke down and bought a 46" plow for my garden tractor last year. One pass down, turn around and come back is usually plenty. Takes about five minutes. The turnaround at the end of the driveway takes a while. But it's actually kinda fun to do.

The entire activity of shoveling a little, saying fvck it, getting the tractor, installing the plow and chains, then plowing out 4,000 sq feet took an hour. Best couple hundred bucks I ever spent. That and an electric wood-splitter. Love 'em both.

Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 17, 2018 01:40 PM (e7O7B)

185 Heh.
Alabama and the Citadel tied at the half 10-10.
Sure, the Tide will roll all over them in the second half but methinks the Citadel will beat the point spread.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 17, 2018 01:44 PM (Rxduq)

186 concrete girl, I always wanted to live just over the hill from Tahoe, in the Minden Valley.

Wouldn't trade TX for it now though.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2018 01:53 PM (Bk2iI)

187 methinks the Citadel will beat the point spread

They're getting something like 51, aren't they?

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 17, 2018 01:56 PM (Tyii7)

188 181 rickl

How's your health? Hope you are well.

Are any one of your smoking heath team members helping your cardio fitness?

You don't really have to answer. Just envious. Miss Smolensk Potato Harvest of 1957 is one of my health team members.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 17, 2018 01:38 PM (hyuyC)

Thanks! I'm feeling fine.

My last CAT scan wasn't so good. The original tumor has grown and there is a second one in the same lung that wasn't there before. I'm scheduled for another CAT scan on Wednesday, and the oncologist said he might change my treatment depending on what that one shows.

I've also noticed a deterioration in my eyesight and the optometrist said I have cataracts and referred me to an ophthalmologist for possible surgery. When I told the oncologist about that he became visibly alarmed and ordered an MRI of my brain to see if any tumors had started there.

The MRI report came back clean, but I looked at the scans on the disc myself and for a week or two was convinced that I had a brain tumor. I was actually surprised to learn that I didn't.

Posted by: rickl at November 17, 2018 01:58 PM (sdi6R)

189 then came the park rangers/rules and regs which basically ended her desire to help. she knew the land better than they did and they didn't like it.�
Posted by: concrete girl at November 17, 2018 12:24 PM (9ORmh)�

Showing yet again there is nothing the state can't and won't fuck up.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2018 12:26 PM (y3cH7)

Been there. Done that..... The 70's.

Posted by: tbodie at November 17, 2018 02:00 PM (HdZcn)

190
I've also noticed a deterioration in my eyesight and the optometrist said I have cataracts and referred me to an ophthalmologist for possible surgery.

Posted by: rickl at November 17, 2018 01:58 PM

Yeah, we're the generation who slathered tanning oil on our skin to get darker, donned dark as hell non-UV sunglasses and went out in the sun.

Cataracts are almost a given for anyone who spend time outdoors all their life. But they're kinda slow.

Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 17, 2018 02:03 PM (e7O7B)

191 187 methinks the Citadel will beat the point spread

They're getting something like 51, aren't they?
Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 17, 2018 01:56 PM (Tyii7)
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Yep! 54, IIRC.

In the meantime, Maryland is beating Ohio State 31-14.
For now.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 17, 2018 02:05 PM (Rxduq)

192 190
Yeah, we're the generation who slathered tanning oil on our skin to get darker, donned dark as hell non-UV sunglasses and went out in the sun.

Cataracts are almost a given for anyone who spend time outdoors all their life. But they're kinda slow.
Posted by: Gradually, Then Suddenly at November 17, 2018 02:03 PM (e7O7B)

I got a bad sunburn on the beach when I was 15, and after that I was like "fuck the outdoors". I've been an indoor person ever since.

The optometrist said that age-related cataracts are very common.

Today cataract surgery is pretty routine and is done on an outpatient basis. I imagine that in earlier times, deterioration of eyesight was just regarded as a natural consequence of aging.

Posted by: rickl at November 17, 2018 02:08 PM (sdi6R)

193 rickl

Prayers ascending for a full recovery. And maybe one of your smoke-show heath team members wants to be mentored in launch technology. Blastoff!

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 17, 2018 02:11 PM (hyuyC)

194 My tractor could take a snow thrower but never got it, still shovel out 100' of driveway by hand.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2018 02:13 PM (6VrXf)

195 Gradually, Then Suddenly

I wear long-sleeved shirts, long pants and a hat year round these days. Even in a Kansas summer. Had a close call with melanoma, and the scars to prove it.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 17, 2018 02:13 PM (hyuyC)

196 192--....Today cataract surgery is pretty routine and is done on an outpatient basis.....
Posted by: rickl at November 17, 2018 02:08 PM (sdi6R)
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Yep.
And everyone I've known who has had it is delighted with the results.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 17, 2018 02:18 PM (Rxduq)

197
This combination of fog and smoke in the morning makes for interesting scenery contrast.

Posted by: YIKES! at November 17, 2018 02:21 PM (t6XCL)

198 I have been promised global warming, especially since I don't want bigger government to stop it.

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2018 02:24 PM (6VrXf)

199 Ha!I joked the other day that the left would say Trump giving Elvis a Presidential Medal of Freedom would be deemed racist.It was.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/313335/

Posted by: steevy at November 17, 2018 02:27 PM (BXMxN)

200 " Sgt/ Mom has a fine rant up at Chcago Boyz about the indifference of the Ruling Class to regular people."

yes, they can have silly ideals like saving the endangered salamander, and act all superior for "caring". But their care is superficial, mostly because they are shallow and incompetent people. They can can get by on their rich Dad's money ... and our fiscal policy has guaranteed their leveraged investments keep them rich, even if it means bailouts for billionaires or sending the middle class kids off to war.

They've coasted on the rigged system and their hate for the middle class deplorable probably stems from their own insecurity. And they should be insecure .... government policy has kept their elite circles in power, nothing to do with their own abilities (except their greedy support of the DC corruption). imo

Posted by: illiniwek at November 17, 2018 02:33 PM (Cus5s)

201 199 Ha!I joked the other day that the left would say Trump giving Elvis a Presidential Medal of Freedom would be deemed racist.It was.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/313335/
Posted by: steevy at November 17, 2018 02:27 PM (BXMxN)

I'm sure that in the bad old days of the Cold War, there were people on the other side of the Iron Curtain who regarded Elvis as a symbol of American freedom.

Posted by: rickl at November 17, 2018 02:38 PM (sdi6R)

202 That's Raysisss!

LOL

Posted by: Max Power at November 17, 2018 02:42 PM (q177U)

203

Tijuana Mayor Juan Manuel Gastelum said Thursday that caravan migrants arriving by the hundreds are no longer welcome, an increasingly common sentiment among residents of the Mexican border city.

Gastelum described the caravan of Central American migrants as a "horde" that has been infiltrated by criminals who now threaten the community, in an interview with Milenio Television.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2018 02:50 PM (aKsyK)

204 I saw Raysiss and the Undertones at the Cow Palace in 1964.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2018 02:51 PM (Bk2iI)

205 Maybe then they'll get the ethanol out of our gas.

You think you're going to find octane laying around? No fracking way.

Posted by: DaveA at November 17, 2018 02:59 PM (FhXTo)

206 DaveA
Iso what you did there.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 17, 2018 03:01 PM (hyuyC)

207 Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2018 02:50 PM (aKsyK)

Well its Tijuana, cant the town take a collection and contract one of the cartels to deal with the horde? I should denounce myself for this thought yet I do not.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 17, 2018 03:06 PM (pHzbJ)

208 PaleRider is simply irredeemable

You are not alone in your thought.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 17, 2018 03:15 PM (hyuyC)

209 Well its Tijuana, cant the town take a collection and contract one of the cartels to deal with the horde? I should denounce myself for this thought yet I do not.
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 17, 2018 03:06 PM (pHzbJ)

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I would assume that the cartels are royally pissed at the invaders. Having 5k U.S. troops guarding the border has to make their smuggling much more difficult.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 17, 2018 03:23 PM (ffYR/)

210 By rights the invaders are Mexico's problem

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2018 03:27 PM (6VrXf)

211 Love Gerard, Blessings to the good people in California.

Posted by: Summer of Love at November 17, 2018 03:32 PM (FJrl0)

212 210 By rights the invaders are Mexico's problem
Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2018 03:27 PM (6VrXf)

Just let the "migrants" sit there in Tijuana and rot, until the Mexicans do something about it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 17, 2018 03:32 PM (Ibwur)

213

John Kerry warns against mass immigration during an interview with The Guardian this week: "Look at Europe! Europe's already crushed under this transformation that's taken place because of immigration."

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2018 03:48 PM (aKsyK)

214 Hey John,

Welcome to the party pal

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2018 04:54 PM (6VrXf)

215 And a few million Hispanics isn't mass migration? What is?

Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2018 05:17 PM (6VrXf)

216 The Associated Press @AP
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BREAKING: Democrat Andrew Gillum officially ends bid for Florida governor, congratulates Republican Ron DeSantis

Posted by: MSM is the Deep States Mentall Ill Girlfriend at November 17, 2018 05:26 PM (BqBId)

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