DeVos to Announce New Title IX Rules That Guarantee Some Minimum Due Process Safeguards to the Accused

Can you believe accused people will have the chance to actually know what the charges against them are? What is this, a Harry Potter book where Voldemort lets Harry know what the charges against him are?!?!

Sorry, I don't think that was a good analogy. But I'm given to understand one should always reference Harry Potter or The Handmaid's Tale when outraged.

Educati
on Secretary Molly DeVos is set to release a sweeping overhaul of how colleges and universities must handle allegations of sexual assault and harassment, giving new rights to the accused, including the ability to cross-examine their accusers, people familiar with the matter said.
The proposal is set for release before Thanksgiving, possibly this week, and replaces less formal guidance issued by the Obama administration in 2011. The new rules would reduce liability for universities, tighten the definition of sexual harassment, and allow schools to use a higher standard in evaluating claims of sexual harassment and assault.
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The most significant change would guarantee the accused the right to cross-examine their accusers, though it would have to be conducted by advisers or attorneys for the people involved, rather than by the person accused of misconduct. If requested, the parties could be in separate rooms during the cross-examination, an administration official said. They said this was done to bolster the due process rights of the accused while assuring that victims are not directly confronted by their assailants.
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Recent court decisions requiring public universities to allow the accused the right to cross-examination when credibility is an issue figured in the administration's reasoning, two people said.
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The biggest may be the standard of proof required in assessing claims. Under the DeVos proposal, schools will be allowed to choose between "preponderance of the evidence" and the higher bar of "clear and convincing" evidence. The Obama guidelines had directed schools to use the "preponderance of the evidence" standard.

A choice, huh?

Well... not really, brah.

The regulation also will require schools to use the same standard in these cases as they use for other complaints, including those against employees and faculty. Many union contracts and other agreements with faculty mandate the use of a higher "clear and convincing" standard, several people said. So as a practical matter, most schools may be forced to apply the same higher bar for student complaints.

Seems fair -- if you think a mere preponderance of the evidence standard is enough to prove student misbehavior, then surely that standard also should suffice for college professors and administrators, right?

Right?

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 07:09 PM

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1 1st?

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 14, 2018 07:11 PM (/HC6x)

2 due process?

oh no!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at November 14, 2018 07:11 PM (UsCnO)

3 BOOM!

Posted by: K.N. McBride at November 14, 2018 07:12 PM (cfSRQ)

4
A white, cishet male could prove he was 100 miles away at the time of the complaint and the campus Star Chamber would still find him guilty.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 14, 2018 07:13 PM (LsBY9)

5 Screams of outrage and demands for safe spaces in 5, 4, 3......

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 14, 2018 07:13 PM (/HC6x)

6 >>> Obama guidelines had directed schools to use the "preponderance of the evidence" standard.

Pretty tough hurdle to clear when they didn't have to tell you jack about what was going on.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 14, 2018 07:13 PM (1g7ch)

7 I think colleges should just install stocks and pillories and be done with it.

Posted by: K.N. McBride at November 14, 2018 07:13 PM (cfSRQ)

8 But, but, male toxicity!

Posted by: Embarrassing Stain at November 14, 2018 07:14 PM (A2D96)

9 7 I think colleges should just install stocks and pillories and be done with it.
Posted by: K.N. McBride at November 14, 2018 07:13 PM (cfSRQ)

The Space Nazis called those their 'probe positions'.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 14, 2018 07:15 PM (1g7ch)

10 You know what's funny? None of the Title IX Civil Rights busybodies track the RACIAL categories of accuser vs accused.
It's almost because they know that the overwhelming number of cases are white women railroading black men.

Funny how "disparate impact" is curiously absent from Title IX analysis...

Posted by: K.N. McBride at November 14, 2018 07:15 PM (cfSRQ)

11 Mattress Girl hardest hit.....well, second hardest hit. Creepy Pron Lawyer's wife still the hardest hit.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 14, 2018 07:15 PM (/HC6x)

12 Where are the mugshots?

Posted by: Wethal at November 14, 2018 07:16 PM (3RspO)

13 It's still a violation of the 4th Amendment.

If you have an accusation, CALL THE POLICE!

Real police, not campus cops.

Posted by: Great Reagan's Deplorable Ghost at November 14, 2018 07:16 PM (AJ/mV)

14 A white, cishet male could prove he was 100 miles
away at the time of the complaint and the campus Star Chamber would
still find him guilty.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 14, 2018 07:13 PM (LsBY9)

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That's because the Grand Inquisitors get to decide what evidence they will include.

Exculpatory evidence? Not included.

Posted by: K.N. McBride at November 14, 2018 07:16 PM (cfSRQ)

15 This is ridiculous....fake accusations never occur.

Posted by: Duke Lacross Team at November 14, 2018 07:17 PM (/HC6x)

16 Seriously, the way to fight the left is to use its own tools against them.

DeVos should aggressively push for racial data on Title IX cases.

I relish seeing Black Lives Matter goons smashing the Sexual Assault Coordinator's windows.

Posted by: K.N. McBride at November 14, 2018 07:18 PM (cfSRQ)

17 Damn under 20!

Posted by: Boswell at November 14, 2018 07:19 PM (OjnQU)

18 Hey, how about a lawsuit against schools for making a 'hostile environment' by preaching that white people are the debbil?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 14, 2018 07:19 PM (oVJmc)

19 This is a very well considered option.

Force the Lefties on campus to suffer at their own hand. Or they can choose to follow Constitutional protections.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at November 14, 2018 07:20 PM (wFDuq)

20 DeVos has done some good - hope she isn't part of the musical chairs that happens after mid-terms

Posted by: Boswell at November 14, 2018 07:20 PM (OjnQU)

21 You want to change the politics, change the culture.

I believe I heard someone talk about this before.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2018 07:20 PM (/tuJf)

22 "The most significant change would guarantee the accused the right to cross-examine their accusers..."

What kind of BS is that?

Posted by: Josef K. at November 14, 2018 07:20 PM (t+qrx)

23 Verdict First...

Trial afterwards!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at November 14, 2018 07:21 PM (n9EOP)

24 then surely that standard also should suffice for college professors and administrators, right?
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The 'moral turpitude' clause is really judgey.

Posted by: Melissa Click at November 14, 2018 07:21 PM (CDGwz)

25
Betsy has done more at that stupid Dept of Ed than Jeff Sessions did at DoJ.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 14, 2018 07:21 PM (LLkDq)

26 What nonsense is this?

Posted by: Lavrentiy Beria at November 14, 2018 07:21 PM (NWiLs)

27 Due process... standards of evidence... cross examination?!
Good God man! Who conceived of this radical nonsense?

Posted by: feudal lord circa 800 AD at November 14, 2018 07:21 PM (5RXy6)

28 Well, nothing for me to do here ...

Posted by: Slow News Day Gorn at November 14, 2018 07:21 PM (tSXzq)

29 Guilt and Innocence have precisely NOTHING to do with what events did or did not occur.

Have we learned nothing from the Great Progressive Awakening in America, folks?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 14, 2018 07:21 PM (BRvh1)

30 A "new" right, huh?

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at November 14, 2018 07:21 PM (NMAzL)

31 Watch the "judge" rule in Accost-a favor

Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2018 07:21 PM (O2RFr)

32
Latvian Bell walked away from $14M.

That's the big news today.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 14, 2018 07:22 PM (LLkDq)

33 Damn! The last thread was getting interesting with JJ's adventures.

Posted by: Concerned People's Front, Boofing Chapter at November 14, 2018 07:22 PM (hSQF+)

34
Hey, the guilty can always apply for admission to another school.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 14, 2018 07:23 PM (LsBY9)

35
Of course Fake News Acosta is gonna win.

These are the Times we live in.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 14, 2018 07:23 PM (LLkDq)

36 Latvian Bell walked away from $14M.

That's the big news today.
Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 14, 2018 07:22 PM (LLkDq)

Leveon Bell doesn't look Latvian at all, dude.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 14, 2018 07:23 PM (BRvh1)

37 It was bad enough that Star Wars became something to reference in the culture; now it's Harry Potter references.

I'm done.

Can no longer communicate.

Have to just sit back and wait for this civilization to fall, and see what pops up in its place.

Posted by: RKae at November 14, 2018 07:23 PM (CsxI1)

38 "Mattress Girl hardest hit.....well, second hardest hit. Creepy Pron Lawyer's wife still the hardest hit."

Pron? Where's mister misspell when you need him? You fillistine, philastinie...what ever...

Posted by: Boswell at November 14, 2018 07:23 PM (OjnQU)

39 The last thread was stomped like an 💩venatti spouse!

Posted by: Concerned People's Front, Boofing Chapter at November 14, 2018 07:24 PM (hSQF+)

40 Verdict First...

Trial afterwards!

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"Eats first, morals after"

Posted by: Total Control Racist at November 14, 2018 07:24 PM (z2W2E)

41
There's an ancient Chinese proverb: "Expect the unexpected."

Shih-Tzu has an updated version: "Expect the absurd."

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 14, 2018 07:24 PM (LLkDq)

42 I'm still going to talk to my son about a trade school. F' this noise.

Posted by: no good deed at November 14, 2018 07:25 PM (1uG1d)

43 Verdict First...
Trial afterwards!
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"Eats first, morals after"
Posted by: Total Control Racist at November 14, 2018 07:24 PM (z2W2E)

I want morels now

Posted by: hogmartin at November 14, 2018 07:25 PM (t+qrx)

44
Presumption of innocence is a bourgeois affectation we can no longer afford.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 14, 2018 07:25 PM (LsBY9)

45 Cross-examination? CROSS-EXAMINATION? This shit is getting out of control!

ps: They told if Trump was elected(tm)...

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at November 14, 2018 07:26 PM (Ndje9)

46

I have no doubt whatsoever fake reporter acosta will prevail.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 14, 2018 07:26 PM (LLkDq)

47 now it's Harry Potter references.

...Have to just sit back and wait for this civilization to fall, and see what pops up in its place.

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Don't miss the best part:

Those are literary references for millennials.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Thoughts and prayers for RBG 🐘 at November 14, 2018 07:26 PM (LX21o)

48 Creepy Pron Lawyer's wife still the hardest hit.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 14, 2018 07:15 PM (/HC6x)
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Owwwwwch!

Posted by: lurk at November 14, 2018 07:26 PM (j3frD)

49
Question: Why do Sarah and the President always call on fake reporter acosta??

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 14, 2018 07:27 PM (LLkDq)

50 I'm still going to talk to my son about a trade school. F' this noise.

Posted by: no good deed at November 14, 2018 07:25 PM (1uG1d)

We'll always need people that actually do "things", we can easily do without people that can only write "papers".

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at November 14, 2018 07:27 PM (n9EOP)

51 How about let the police investigate crimes?

Posted by: chique d'afrique at November 14, 2018 07:27 PM (9hauA)

52 Every fucking college in this country needs to be defunded by the gov't as a return to sanity.

Harvard has at least a billion dollars. It is on you , fuckwads.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 14, 2018 07:27 PM (SDVgT)

53 I don't know, here's a cooky idea, how about let police investigate alleged crimes and not some room 101 star chamber run by femifascists?

Posted by: Kreplach at November 14, 2018 07:28 PM (qxq6t)

54 If requested, the parties could be in separate rooms during the cross-examination, an administration official said. They said this was done to bolster the due process rights of the accused while assuring that victims are not directly confronted by their assailants.

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I thought the accused had the right to confront their accuser? FTS. We go to state or Federal court.
Fuck these kangaroo kourts.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2018 07:28 PM (sMMcg)

55 still going to talk to my son about a trade school. F' this noise.

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I actually think any Canadian college is likely to be saner than many American ones.

Posted by: Total Control Racist at November 14, 2018 07:28 PM (z2W2E)

56 Still giving SonOfMidnight the same advice.

Stay the fuck away from College Girls. They are trouble.

Posted by: The Midnight Rider at November 14, 2018 07:28 PM (VarTq)

57 49; entertainment value. they know the guy is a phucktard.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 14, 2018 07:28 PM (KP5rU)

58 It's time for Asche Schowe or Dorothy Rabinowitz to look into the Baylor scandal that caused Art Briles to lose his job. If you read the "Pepper Report" for which he was removed as coach, his only wrongdoing was not being a Title IX ambassador and he didn't push students against whom there were no allegations into kangaroo courts based on hearsay.

Posted by: Cumberland Astro at November 14, 2018 07:28 PM (d9Cw3)

59

What's next, is a judge gonna order the President to take questions from certain people?

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 14, 2018 07:28 PM (LLkDq)

60 Every fucking college in this country needs to be defunded by the gov't as a return to sanity.

Harvard has at least a billion dollars. It is on you , fuckwads.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 14, 2018 07:27 PM (SDVgT)

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They have closer to 50 billion in their endowment.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 14, 2018 07:28 PM (ffYR/)

61 I actually think any Canadian college is likely to be saner than many American ones.

Yeah, ask Jordan Peterson about that.

Posted by: Concerned People's Front, Boofing Chapter at November 14, 2018 07:29 PM (hSQF+)

62 Just put them on Judge Judy

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at November 14, 2018 07:29 PM (bQtop)

63 Watch the "judge" rule in Accost-a favor

Sounds like he was skeptical of their argument during bench questioning - 3PM tomorrow he'll be throwing this out like last night's fish

Posted by: Boswell at November 14, 2018 07:29 PM (OjnQU)

64 OH MY GOD THIS IS A DIRECT ASSAULT ON DEMOCRACY AND JUSTICE!!!! WOMEN ARE NOT SAFE ANYWHERE!!! THEY ARE LITERALLY LEGALIZING RAPE GANGS!!!!

Did I get the SJW take about right? Or was it still lacking histrionics?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 14, 2018 07:29 PM (dNzKv)

65
Harvard is a hedge fund with a university attached.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 14, 2018 07:29 PM (LsBY9)

66 This is still upside down.

Schools went from in loco parentis, having certain rights over the students because they were minors, to little fiefdoms having rights over students because they control their future.

Why should the school be involved at all when a crime is alleged to be convicted? The schools want the power because it allows them to hide bad publicity, but how id the school manage to take this away from local courts?

And now the Feds have taken control of it all with their usual method of "do it this way or lose funding."

But seriously, how do local state and city courts allow this extraterritoriality to exist? (I am really asking. I have no idea, but it seems so fucked up. Could a foreign state do the same? set up a school and run their own criminal courts?)

Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at November 14, 2018 07:30 PM (LWu6U)

67
entertainment value. they know the guy is a phucktard.

You're probably right. After all, he does make the entire press media look foolish.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 14, 2018 07:30 PM (LLkDq)

68 Wait, so the accused does not get to face their accuser?

Why the hell not?

Posted by: Don Q at November 14, 2018 07:30 PM (NgKpN)

69 Obama tried to destroy industries he didn't like. When are we on the right going to do the same?

Posted by: Sauce, Goose, Huh? at November 14, 2018 07:30 PM (uloIh)

70 How about let the police investigate crimes?
Posted by: chique d'afrique

Current academic practice is to weigh the accused to see if he weighs the same as a duck.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at November 14, 2018 07:30 PM (5RXy6)

71 I have a trade that can net an apprentice $100,000 a year. Call me if you want to work.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 14, 2018 07:30 PM (SDVgT)

72 They don't need no stinkin' badges!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 14, 2018 07:31 PM (aKsyK)

73
Yeah, ask Jordan Peterson about that

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I wouldn't ask that flake anything

Posted by: Total Control Racist at November 14, 2018 07:31 PM (z2W2E)

74 I'm glad I'm not in college today.

And it's not like I was even in any of these, er, "situations" the first time around.

Posted by: rickl at November 14, 2018 07:32 PM (sdi6R)

75 test

Posted by: FireHorse at November 14, 2018 07:32 PM (aaDlx)

76 Harry Potter reference, eh?

Seems the most appropriate: All boys accused of sexual hanky panky and/or saying badwrong things to the of people (i.e., color, gender, etc) will have carved into their hands, the phrase "I must not tell lies."

What's that you say? The boys may not be lying?

What is wrong with you, are you half horse or something?

Posted by: BurtTC at November 14, 2018 07:32 PM (cY3LT)

77 Regret consensual sex = rape
Hit on by unattractive guy = rape
I don't like that guy, he annoys me = rape
I've never seen him before but I'm bored = rape

Posted by: chique d'afrique at November 14, 2018 07:32 PM (9hauA)

78 We were initially told by our sources the alleged victim was Avenatti's estranged wife. We now know it was not. The incident involved a different woman." - TMZ

Posted by: MSM is the Deep States Mentally Ill Girlffriend at November 14, 2018 07:32 PM (BqBId)

79 "Harvard is a hedge fund with a university attached."

This.

Posted by: Boswell at November 14, 2018 07:32 PM (OjnQU)

80 Some countries have a General overthrow the government, and retain their rank and position. We will be overthrown by a federal district judge.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 14, 2018 07:32 PM (dNzKv)

81

Anyone want to take any guesses as to who the next caravan "splinter" group will be?

My guess: the infirmed and deformed.

After the Infirmed, the children.

Posted by: Soothsayer SLX Pro Series II Platinum Turbo, Digitally Remastered at November 14, 2018 07:33 PM (LLkDq)

82 69 Obama tried to destroy industries he didn't like. When are we on the right going to do the same?
Posted by: Sauce, Goose, Huh? at November 14, 2018 07:30 PM (uloIh)

We would need to have control of the government in order to do that.

That project isn't going so well.

Posted by: rickl at November 14, 2018 07:33 PM (sdi6R)

83 Quite frankly I don't think that schools should be in the Police business. If a rape or sexual assault has occurred (or claimed to have occurred), then I don't want a rapist to just go to another school but go to jail. But, the accused also needs due process as we know that people aren't always honest in their claims.

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 14, 2018 07:33 PM (v3DL/)

84 My tittie is an X...........triple XXX..............Fhwaaahh

I am on the Wally-Ball team & the shower team call me

IRRESPONSIBLE....

Posted by: saf at November 14, 2018 07:33 PM (5IHGB)

85 77- date a guy for 2 years before he breaks up with you- rape.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 14, 2018 07:33 PM (dNzKv)

86 Hmmm.... so now Lawyers are involved, as they are the ones to 'cross examine'...

Why does this sound like it was written by Lawyers... its a new revenue source.

Posted by: Don Q at November 14, 2018 07:34 PM (NgKpN)

87 "But I'm given to understand one should always reference Harry Potter or The Handmaid's Tale when outraged".

The handmaid's tale histrionics always make me laugh; these leftists run around, hat-in-hand with muslims who wear, wait for it... the hijab, the middle eastern version of those dumb handmaid hats.

Posted by: Pine Barrens at November 14, 2018 07:34 PM (oh+79)

88 Posted by: MSM is the Deep States Mentally Ill Girlffriend at November 14, 2018 07:32 PM (BqBId)

So he doesn't beat up his wife-just some woman he's having an affair with while not yet divorced from his wife?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 14, 2018 07:34 PM (AllCR)

89 We were initially told by our sources the alleged victim was Avenatti's estranged wife. We now know it was not. The incident involved a different woman." - TMZ
Posted by: MSM is the Deep States Mentally Ill Girlffriend at November 14, 2018 07:32 PM (BqBId)

Tell me TMZ printed the story AND the correction before CNN bothered to report it (assuming they ever do).

Posted by: hogmartin at November 14, 2018 07:34 PM (t+qrx)

90 Michael Avenatti has already challenged this in federal court. He says a man has no right to defense in domestic assault cases unless his name is Michael avenatti. In that case, the charges are bullshit and the woman is a lying whore.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 14, 2018 07:36 PM (dNzKv)

91 "Harvard is a hedge fund with a university attached."

This.

Universities have become places for alumni to make investment management $$ investing other alumni $$ - it's not even close to being about education anymore, not at this level of investment funds at stake. The tax exemption for this sham has got to go.

Posted by: Boswell at November 14, 2018 07:36 PM (OjnQU)

92 77 Regret consensual sex = rape
Hit on by unattractive guy = rape
I don't like that guy, he annoys me = rape
I've never seen him before but I'm bored = rape
Posted by: chique d'afrique at November 14, 2018 07:32 PM (9hauA)

Did butt stuff and he never returned calls = rape
Wanted to hook up with a cute guy and so needed a story to act as the victim = rape.

Posted by: buzzion at November 14, 2018 07:36 PM (WaxcS)

93 Avenatti is like a Roman Candle. The explosion is going to classic.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 14, 2018 07:37 PM (SDVgT)

94 So he doesn't beat up his wife-just some woman he's having an affair with while not yet divorced from his wife?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

"In the future, every woman will go 15 rounds with a creepy porn lawyer"
-Andy Warhol, probably

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at November 14, 2018 07:37 PM (5RXy6)

95 "But, but, male toxicity!"

Look up Haka Dance.

Posted by: navybrat, has no evidence that my bathroom scale is accurate at November 14, 2018 07:37 PM (w7KSn)

96 But seriously, how do local state and city courts allow this extraterritoriality to exist?

Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at November 14, 2018 07:30 PM (LWu6U)

Because the revenue is fucking HUGE.

They can ignore all kinds of shit if the money's right.

Posted by: The Midnight Rider at November 14, 2018 07:37 PM (VarTq)

97 IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE THIS ALREADY HAS BEEN FIGURED OUT IN OUR EXISTING LAW ENFORCEMENT AND COURT SYSTEMS.

IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE REINVENTED FOR COLLEGE CAMPUSES THAT ARE ON US SOIL.

Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at November 14, 2018 07:38 PM (W+vEI)

98 I guess I really don't understand why a college or university should be in the business of adjudicating assaults.

The local police should handle the criminal complaints, and then the college can move on the accused students based on the outcome of any criminal proceeding.

Colleges are increasingly proving themselves incapable of teaching, they should not be branching out into law enforcement.

Posted by: Boots at November 14, 2018 07:38 PM (e9omi)

99 Don't tell me what cases you've won; tell me who you've beaten.

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/
1062857856444035072

Posted by: mike 'knuckles' avenatti, esq at November 14, 2018 07:39 PM (Evws/)

100 If you can't take a punch, you don't belong in the ring.

Posted by: mike 'knuckles' avenatti, esq at November 14, 2018 07:39 PM (Evws/)

101 "Can you believe accused people will have the chance to actually know what the charges against them are? "

Even Hitler didn't do that. What are things coming to?

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at November 14, 2018 07:39 PM (59GGI)

102 Delores Umbrage would be the Harry Potter metaphor.
Hey! I'm not judging any of you!

Posted by: Captain Comic at November 14, 2018 07:40 PM (ImsSi)

103 BTW, has anyone seen an Avenatti/Ellison 2020 sticker yet?

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at November 14, 2018 07:40 PM (59GGI)

104 The fact the the accused still can not face his accuser is telling that the SJWs are still in control. (According to the post, only his lawyer or representative can.)

It sounds like the schools are afraid of the liability they have been exposed to, and want to reduce that while still holding the accuser as a delicate flower and the accused as presumed guilty.

But Western law has shown that the accused has to have right to directly confront their accuser, and that they have the right to act as their own advocate. It still seems like these people want to throw out all we have learned over the past 3,000 years, and start over reinventing the wheel as they learn each basic rule the hard way all over again. "Progressives."

Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at November 14, 2018 07:40 PM (LWu6U)

105 >>Look up Haka Dance.

Don't you be dissing the Haka. I do one before every customer meeting. In my head anyway.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2018 07:40 PM (/tuJf)

106 Will CNN have Creepy Wife-Beater on everyday twice a day now? Jim Acosta has plenty of time to ask him questions.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at November 14, 2018 07:41 PM (Ndje9)

107 Oh she is going to be raked over the coals by Leftists.

Posted by: Skip at November 14, 2018 07:41 PM (T4oHT)

108 GOOD!

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at November 14, 2018 07:41 PM (F/KeJ)

109 Ugh, I hate it when I accidentally leave the national evening news on after watching the local weather. Tonight's outrage was HUD paying slumlords and people living in squalor because there just aren't enough inspectors after Trump cut the budget. I can guaran-damn-tee you the damaged buildings I saw didn't just happen over the last two years. They weren't doing so hot even before the budget cuts. How about we just do away with the whole effing department and hand out vouchers instead of directly paying the landlords.

Posted by: no good deed at November 14, 2018 07:41 PM (1uG1d)

110 http://bit.ly/2z5glfh Michael Avenatti

Posted by: MSM is the Deep States Mentally Ill Girlffriend at November 14, 2018 07:41 PM (BqBId)

111 Why are schools even involved is sex crimes. This is a job for police, prosecutors and courts. Schools should have no say at all.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at November 14, 2018 07:42 PM (0OmEj)

112 so do devos's new rules have any language about surprise anal and donkey punches?

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 14, 2018 07:42 PM (MTjB1)

113 I would just change the rules so that any university action beyond referral to the police and cooperation with them in their investigation is a Title IX violation.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2018 07:42 PM (yQpMk)

114 BTW, has anyone seen an Avenatti/Ellison 2020 sticker yet? Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS

That's a real one-two punch!

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at November 14, 2018 07:42 PM (Ndje9)

115 But Western law has shown that the accused has to have right to directly confront their accuser, and that they have the right to act as their own advocate. It still seems like these people want to throw out all we have learned over the past 3,000 years, and start over reinventing the wheel as they learn each basic rule the hard way all over again. "Progressives."
Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at November 14, 2018 07:40 PM (LWu6U)

You hit it exactly. They do not believe that history teaches us anything. They don't believe that 5000 years of figuring shit out has any value.

If its not New, its not True, is their Mantra.

Problem is, its not new... none of it is. Its been tried and it failed.

Posted by: Don Q at November 14, 2018 07:43 PM (NgKpN)

116 The regulation also will require schools to use the same standard in these cases as they use for other complaints, including those against employees and faculty. Many union contracts and other agreements with faculty mandate the use of a higher "clear and convincing" standard, several people said. So as a practical matter, most schools may be forced to apply the same higher bar for student complaints.

That's actually the best part. Got a chuckle from me. Coming after the "you get to choose" part, it reminds me of stories about people who deal with the devil. There's always a catch.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at November 14, 2018 07:43 PM (59GGI)

117 The answer is Call the Police

Raped at school? Call the Police

Priest touched you or your child? Call the Police

The idea that schools want to try And prosecute a case is beyond me. Justice will not be served. And that's exactly why schools market their process to victims. "We're on your side".

I guess the new thing is:

Accused at school? Call the Police

Posted by: scottst at November 14, 2018 07:43 PM (OxXLt)

118 Why are schools even involved is sex crimes. This is a job for police, prosecutors and courts. Schools should have no say at all.
Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at November 14, 2018 07:42 PM (0OmEj)

----------------

The Obama reign of error is the gift that keeps on giving.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 14, 2018 07:44 PM (ffYR/)

119 "BTW, has anyone seen an Avenatti/Ellison 2020 sticker yet?"

You mean "Hey, my arms are tired, now you punch while I hold her up?"

Posted by: Boswell at November 14, 2018 07:44 PM (OjnQU)

120 113 I would just change the rules so that any university action beyond referral to the police and cooperation with them in their investigation is a Title IX violation.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2018 07:42 PM (yQpMk)

Hmmm.. not title 9, but a Civil Rights violation.

Posted by: Don Q at November 14, 2018 07:44 PM (NgKpN)

121 >>I would just change the rules so that any university action beyond referral to the police and cooperation with them in their investigation is a Title IX violation.

Good start.
Step 2: Get rid of Title IX. Gender is fluid, yo! There are no differences; therefore, no need to protect one.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 14, 2018 07:45 PM (W+vEI)

122 82 69 Obama tried to destroy industries he didn't like. When are we on the right going to do the same?
Posted by: Sauce, Goose, Huh? at November 14, 2018 07:30 PM (uloIh)

We would need to have control of the government in order to do that.

That project isn't going so well.

Posted by: rickl at November 14, 2018 07:33 PM (sdi6R)
----------------------------------------

The "Swamp" Inc seems to be constructed of concrete, with a few coats of paint applied to make it look like a swamp and not a parking lot.

When one entire party (commies/dems) wants to continue with biz as usual, and at least half of the opposition party (the stupid party) wants that as well, it's a much harder task to drain the swamp and restore republican govt.

Today's stories on who is actually funding the stupid party commentators is Exhibit A.

Posted by: Boots at November 14, 2018 07:45 PM (e9omi)

123 I ain't no freakin' monument to justice! I lost my hand! I lost my
bride! Johnny has his hand! Johnny has his bride! You want me to take my
heartache, put it away and forget?

Posted by: Kreplach at November 14, 2018 07:45 PM (qxq6t)

124 78 We were initially told by our sources the alleged victim was Avenatti's estranged wife. We now know it was not. The incident involved a different woman." - TMZ
Posted by: MSM is the Deep States Mentally Ill Girlffriend at November 14, 2018 07:32 PM (BqBId)

Call girl knew who he was so wouldn't start a tab?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 14, 2018 07:45 PM (1g7ch)

125 Who wants Lasagna!

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at November 14, 2018 07:45 PM (bQtop)

126 Hmmm.. not title 9, but a Civil Rights violation.

That too, but Title IX lets the money to the University get cut off if they violate it.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2018 07:45 PM (yQpMk)

127 so do devos's new rules have any language about surprise anal and donkey punches?
Posted by: yankeefifth

Going in dry will be on your PERMANENT RECORD!

Posted by: Principal from every 80s highschool movie at November 14, 2018 07:46 PM (5RXy6)

128 > Latvian Bell walked away from $14M.

Latvian Bell use potato for handset and concertina wire for line.

Unfortunately, soldier steal potato and use wire kill farmer.

Also rape farmer daughter.

No matter. Secret police listen all talk anyway.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 14, 2018 07:46 PM (vOkuK)

129 New statement from @MichaelAvenatti via his law office: "I have never been physically abusive in my life nor was I last night. Any accusations to the contrary are fabricated and meant to do harm to my reputation. I look forward to being fully exonerated."
====
HAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: MSM is the Deep States Mentally Ill Girlffriend at November 14, 2018 07:46 PM (BqBId)

130

Remember the movie The Devil and Daniel Webster? Been a long time since I've seen that one. This story reminded me of it for some reason.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at November 14, 2018 07:46 PM (pmNIp)

131 I constantly remind our son: Do Not Date Wymyn At Your University.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 14, 2018 07:46 PM (ptqGC)

132 Meat lasagna, not that wimpy vegetable lasagna. Which I still eat anyway

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at November 14, 2018 07:47 PM (bQtop)

133 I constantly remind our son: Do Not Date Wymyn At Your University.

Indeed. Townie girls are appreciative.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 14, 2018 07:47 PM (yQpMk)

134 New statement from @MichaelAvenatti via his law office: "I have never
been physically abusive in my life nor was I last night. Any accusations
to the contrary are fabricated and meant to do harm to my reputation. I
look forward to being fully exonerated."

And what a sterling reputation he has.

Cannot wait for Tucker's show tonight.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 14, 2018 07:48 PM (ptqGC)

135 > Why are schools even involved is sex crimes. This is a job for police, prosecutors and courts.

So much this.

There is absolutely no reason to have such matters handled by a kangaroo court made up of misandrist women's studies professors.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 14, 2018 07:48 PM (vOkuK)

136 guess avenatti wishes he would have spiked her drink.

hey baby I made you a lond island iced cosby.

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 14, 2018 07:48 PM (MTjB1)

137 From the sidebar link, it makes me wonder. Is Avenatti going to demand he get his wife's bewbs back? It's pretty obvious he paid for them.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at November 14, 2018 07:48 PM (59GGI)

138 Jack Straw - you still around?

Posted by: Aviator at November 14, 2018 07:49 PM (2cuLk)

139 I constantly remind our son: Do Not Date Wymyn At Your University.
Posted by: Jane D'oh

Always hire a hooker.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2018 07:49 PM (sMMcg)

140 111 Why are schools even involved is sex crimes. This is a job for police, prosecutors and courts. Schools should have no say at all.

Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at November 14, 2018 07:42 PM (0OmEj)

Same reason the FBI is pressing Fraud Charges against those cheating NCAA Eligibility Rules.

The Fed is trying to annex Higher Ed, the same way they annexed Public Ed.

Posted by: The Midnight Rider at November 14, 2018 07:49 PM (VarTq)

141 Re the previous thread....

Did anyone else hear Lou Dobbs refer to Avenatti as 'the Creepy Porn Lawyer...as some of my friends refer to him' while he was reporting that story?

I 'bout fell outta my chair laughing...

Posted by: Tami at November 14, 2018 07:49 PM (cF8AT)

142 > meant to do harm to my reputation.

Err....Mike? What "reputation" would that be, exactly?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 14, 2018 07:49 PM (vOkuK)

143 michael avenatti's law office? what is that, the phonebooth at hollywood and vine where his secretary takes calls now?

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 14, 2018 07:50 PM (MTjB1)

144 I ain't no freakin' monument to justice! I lost my hand! I lost my
bride! Johnny has his hand! Johnny has his bride! You want me to take my
heartache, put it away and forget?

Snap out of it!

Posted by: Boswell at November 14, 2018 07:50 PM (OjnQU)

145 > Always hire a hooker.

Not foolproof, by any means.

Posted by: Crystal Mangum at November 14, 2018 07:50 PM (vOkuK)

146 Leftist seminaries have become the point guard of government, as it plays out there soon it will become law everywhere.

Posted by: Skip at November 14, 2018 07:51 PM (T4oHT)

147 >>From the sidebar link, it makes me wonder. Is
Avenatti going to demand he get his wife's bewbs back? It's pretty
obvious he paid for them.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS
With his financial problems she will be lucky if they don't get repossessed.

Posted by: Aviator at November 14, 2018 07:51 PM (2cuLk)

148
michael avenatti's law office? what is that, the phonebooth at hollywood and vine where his secretary takes calls now?

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 14, 2018 07:50 PM (MTjB1)

You think he has a secretary?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 14, 2018 07:51 PM (ptqGC)

149 Same reason the FBI is pressing Fraud Charges against those cheating NCAA Eligibility Rules.

The Fed is trying to annex Higher Ed, the same way they annexed Public Ed.
Posted by: The Midnight Rider

If they take federal dollars they can annex. Federal dollars always comes with strings. Always.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2018 07:51 PM (sMMcg)

150 >>Jack Straw - you still around?

yep

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2018 07:51 PM (/tuJf)

151 It's like nap time after lunch. At Head Start. The bully always has "extra" milk money.

Posted by: Fritz at November 14, 2018 07:52 PM (Z9C5C)

152 I'll bet a few dollars Creepy Porn Lawyer has an office at CNN, and possibly one at MSDNC.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 14, 2018 07:52 PM (ptqGC)

153 Cocaine Mitch just blocked bill protecting Mueller

Posted by: MSM is the Deep States Mentally Ill Girlffriend at November 14, 2018 07:53 PM (BqBId)

154 Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 14, 2018 07:52 PM (ptqGC)

Corner Office...

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at November 14, 2018 07:53 PM (n9EOP)

155 90 Michael Avenatti has already challenged this in federal court. He says a man has no right to defense in domestic assault cases unless his name is Michael avenatti. In that case, the charges are bullshit and the woman is a lying whore.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at November 14, 2018 07:36 PM (dNzKv)

How dare you imply that a man like Avenatti would have any connection with a lying whore. That's shameful.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at November 14, 2018 07:53 PM (59GGI)

156 Always hire a hooker.

Not foolproof, by any means.

Posted by: Crystal Mangum

Always hire a hooker for a one on one.
Not for a Burlington Northern Santa Fe train.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2018 07:53 PM (sMMcg)

157 New statement from @MichaelAvenatti via his law office: "I have never been physically abusive in my life nor was I last night. Any accusations to the contrary are fabricated and meant to do harm to my reputation. I look forward to being fully exonerated."
====
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Posted by: MSM is the Deep States Mentally Ill Girlffriend at November 14, 2018 07:46 PM (BqBId)

Oh, Michael baby. Don't you know? This is 2018. The Year of Believe the Woman.

Maybe you've heard of that. It's been in the news.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 14, 2018 07:53 PM (cY3LT)

158 The Fed is trying to annex Higher Ed, the same way they annexed Public Ed.
Posted by: The Midnight Rider

If they take federal dollars they can annex. Federal dollars always comes with strings. Always.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2018 07:51 PM (sMMcg)

You are much too young to be so cynical.

*pours one on the ground for Duncan*

Posted by: The Midnight Rider at November 14, 2018 07:53 PM (VarTq)

159 Harry Potter references are for fags.

I'm the man. I'm so bad, I should be in detention.

Posted by: 80's Metal References at November 14, 2018 07:53 PM (r4XVk)

160 Cocaine Mitch just blocked bill protecting Mueller

Posted by: MSM is the Deep States Mentally Ill Girlffriend at November 14, 2018 07:53 PM (BqBId)

So he's learning how to inhale?

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at November 14, 2018 07:53 PM (n9EOP)

161 Cocaine Mitch just blocked bill protecting Mueller

Called it!

Posted by: Boswell at November 14, 2018 07:54 PM (OjnQU)

162 so why was avenatti in the rampart division's district?

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 14, 2018 07:54 PM (MTjB1)

163 It may be worth tuning in to the coven at The View tomorrow to see them spin Creepy Porn Lawyer's woman-beating.

Just a couple of weeks ago they were slobbering all over him and urging him to run for preezy.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 14, 2018 07:54 PM (ptqGC)

164 Cocaine Mitch just blocked bill protecting Mueller
Posted by: MSM is the Deep States Mentally Ill Girlffriend at November 14, 2018 07:53 PM (BqBId)

-----------------

Good for him. That bill was unconstitutional as hell.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at November 14, 2018 07:54 PM (ffYR/)

165 >>yep

Posted by: JackStraw
My wife was at Sparkey's a couple of days ago. She liked the new place and said the food she had was good. Have you been back there?

Posted by: Aviator at November 14, 2018 07:54 PM (2cuLk)

166 Get me my MEAT lasagna, whore! Or do you want TWO black eyes?

Posted by: mike 'knuckles' avenatti, esq at November 14, 2018 07:54 PM (Evws/)

167 Why are schools even involved is sex crimes. This is a job for police, prosecutors and courts. Schools should have no say at all.

+++

Firstly because no school wants a reputation for sexual assault so they prefer to take care of it in house.

Secondly it's far easier to dispose of the possibly assaulty male and forbid him to talk about it than to allow for a fair trial that may result in a disgruntled loud activist female that accused the school of being a haven for rapists

Posted by: Total Control Racist at November 14, 2018 07:54 PM (z2W2E)

168 where is devine brown?

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 14, 2018 07:55 PM (MTjB1)

169 Cocaine Mitch just blocked bill protecting Mueller

Called it!

Posted by: Boswell at November 14, 2018 07:54 PM (OjnQU)

Wow.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 14, 2018 07:55 PM (ptqGC)

170 Police can't be involved because progressives want to criminalize behavior that isn't criminal.

Posted by: wodun at November 14, 2018 07:55 PM (lFga6)

171 @144
OK. You can't see what you are, and I see everything...

You are a
wolf!...

That woman was a trap for you.

She caught you and you couldn't
get away.

So you, you chewed off your own foot.

That was the price you
had to pay for your freedom...

And now, now you're afraid because you
know the big part of you is a wolf that has the courage to bite off its
own hand to save itself from the trap of the wrong love.

That's why
there's been no woman since that wrong woman. OK?

You're scared to death
of what the wolf would do if you try and make that mistake again!

Posted by: Kreplach at November 14, 2018 07:55 PM (qxq6t)

172 Time for Tucker.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 14, 2018 07:56 PM (ptqGC)

173 Harry Potter references are for fags.

Posted by: 80's Metal References

Ace of Spades official fact checkers rate this as 100% accurate.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at November 14, 2018 07:56 PM (5RXy6)

174 Gee, I guess Jeff Flake doesn't have as much power as he thought, eh?

Posted by: andycanuck at November 14, 2018 07:56 PM (Evws/)

175
michael avenatti's law office? what is that, the phonebooth at hollywood and vine where his secretary takes calls now?

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 14, 2018 07:50 PM (MTjB1)
You think he has a secretary?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 14, 2018 07:51 PM (ptq

You think there's still a phone booth on Hollywood and Vine?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at November 14, 2018 07:56 PM (TAmPV)

176 Bet Cocaine Mitch told Flake to suck on it, Buttercup, or join the back bench. Flake cried small but rainbow tears.

Posted by: Boswell at November 14, 2018 07:56 PM (OjnQU)

177 > Firstly because no school wants a reputation for sexual assault so they prefer to take care of it in house.

Well, no other institution gets to handle crimes "in-house" (they may TRY, but it becomes a scandal if it's exposed).

Why are universities special in this respect?

Posted by: Crystal Mangum at November 14, 2018 07:56 PM (vOkuK)

178 Just for old times sake, I think we should have one Obama style Star Chamber for Michael Avenatti. Preferably using a rack.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at November 14, 2018 07:57 PM (59GGI)

179 Secondly it's far easier to dispose of the possibly assaulty male and forbid him to talk about it than to allow for a fair trial that may result in a disgruntled loud activist female that accused the school of being a haven for rapists
Posted by: Total Control Racist

We don't go thru the courts, you'll have hell making me shut up.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2018 07:57 PM (sMMcg)

180 It wasn't a beating-beating.

Posted by: Whoopi the Dumbshit at November 14, 2018 07:57 PM (H5knJ)

181 Oh. Oh saying hey you must use the same for students as for faculty is utter genius.

Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at November 14, 2018 07:57 PM (GbPPJ)

182 You think there's still a phone booth on Hollywood and Vine?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at November 14, 2018 07:56 PM (TAmPV)

What's a phone booth?

Posted by: Millenial Hrothgar at November 14, 2018 07:57 PM (n9EOP)

183 Why are schools even involved is sex crimes. This is a job for police, prosecutors and courts. Schools should have no say at all.
Posted by: USNtakim profoundly deplorable. at November 14, 2018 07:42 PM (0OmEj)

----------------

For the same reason that if there's a murder in a Chuck E. Cheeze, the guy in the mouse costume with the huge fiberglass head leads the investigation and does all the interrogations.

...Sorry, I'm just trying to pitch a TV crime drama here.

Posted by: RKae at November 14, 2018 07:57 PM (rnKX/)

184 Gee, I guess Jeff Flake doesn't have as much power as he thought, eh?
Posted by: andycanuck at November 14, 2018 07:56 PM (Evws/)

Madge McConnell may be a wimp about some things, but don't F with his judges job. He will slice you like a f'n hammer.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 14, 2018 07:58 PM (cY3LT)

185 153 Cocaine Mitch just blocked bill protecting Mueller

I hope Cocaine Mitch gives sissy Flake a wedgie on his way out the door.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 14, 2018 07:58 PM (FEKn+)

186 > the guy in the mouse costume with the huge fiberglass head leads the investigation and does all the interrogations.

I would watch the hell out of that show.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 14, 2018 07:58 PM (vOkuK)

187 For the same reason that if there's a murder in a Chuck E. Cheeze, the guy in the mouse costume with the huge fiberglass head leads the investigation and does all the interrogations.

...Sorry, I'm just trying to pitch a TV crime drama here.
Posted by: RKae

What do the damn bears do? Guard the exits?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2018 07:58 PM (sMMcg)

188 Nood.

CPL is innocent until proven guilty by #believeallwomen.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at November 14, 2018 07:59 PM (WEBkv)

189 Nood of some sort, I think.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 14, 2018 07:59 PM (t+qrx)

190 >>My wife was at Sparkey's a couple of days ago. She liked the new place and said the food she had was good. Have you been back there?

I was there this past May a couple times. I'm torn, the food is good and the location is pretty nice but the old place was special to me. I really loved the old Sparky's.

Have you or your wife had a chance to get to the new place on the ocean side beach inside Key Colony? I can't remember the name but I think that place is going to be nice. No boat access but a great view and a nice atmosphere.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2018 07:59 PM (/tuJf)

191

I'm certain this has already been noted here, but the TFG directive removed the Constitutional rights from students, which is illegal as all hell, but nothing was done about it.
No. Thing.

#WASTF

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 14, 2018 07:59 PM (HaL55)

192 For the same reason that if there's a murder in a Chuck E. Cheeze, the guy in the mouse costume with the huge fiberglass head leads the investigation and does all the interrogations.

...Sorry, I'm just trying to pitch a TV crime drama here.
Posted by: RKae

What do the damn bears do? Guard the exits?
Posted by: rickb223

----

Run the crime lab.

Posted by: RKae at November 14, 2018 07:59 PM (rnKX/)

193 Posted by: BurtTC at November 14, 2018 07:58 PM (cY3LT)

I still think Mitch is a corrupt sleazy RINO bastard, but he's doing yeoman's work with the judges!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at November 14, 2018 08:00 PM (n9EOP)

194
Why are universities special in this respect?

+++

Because it was carved out for them.

Posted by: Total Control Racist at November 14, 2018 08:01 PM (z2W2E)

195 Well, no other institution gets to handle crimes "in-house" (they may TRY, but it becomes a scandal if it's exposed).

Posted by: Crystal Mangum

----

I wish someone had told me.

Posted by: The Pope at November 14, 2018 08:01 PM (rnKX/)

196 Hire a hooker, Lol,sexbot isl Harrison Fords choice

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at November 14, 2018 08:01 PM (bQtop)

197 Aviator-

Havana Jacks

http://www.havanajacksoceanside.com

It's not as fancy as the pictures make it look. At least it wasn't when I was there.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2018 08:02 PM (/tuJf)

198 >>I was there this past May a couple times. I'm torn, the food is good and
the location is pretty nice but the old place was special to me. I
really loved the old Sparky's.

Have you or your wife had a chance to get to the new place on the
ocean side beach inside Key Colony? I can't remember the name but I
think that place is going to be nice. No boat access but a great view
and a nice atmosphere.
Yeah, Sparkey's old place was a favorite, but at least it didn't go away completely like the coffee place. I haven't been down there since the hurricane. was supposed to go in September, but didn't work out. My wife has been twice, on her way back today. Are you talking about the place that had the long dock with a bar?

Posted by: Aviator at November 14, 2018 08:04 PM (2cuLk)

199 Schools have hearings to judge students who don't meet a standard of behavior set by the school, with expulsion as a potential possibility. Perfectly understandable.

Now they shouldn't put the cart before the horse. You would think that a college would wait for someone to be convicted in a court of law before making any determination about wrong doing, especially something like rape.

Posted by: MAGA at November 14, 2018 08:05 PM (/8RAd)

200 >>Are you talking about the place that had the long dock with a bar?

Not anymore it doesn't. Hurricane took it.

Yea, that's Havana Jacks.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2018 08:09 PM (/tuJf)

201 >>Havana Jacks

http://www.havanajacksoceanside.com

It's not as fancy as the pictures make it look. At least it wasn't when I was there.

Posted by: JackStraw
We were there before the hurricane, I don't know if she tried it on this trip. She was there with a friend and our adult kids.

Posted by: Aviator at November 14, 2018 08:10 PM (2cuLk)

202 >>Not anymore it doesn't. Hurricane took it.

Yea, that's Havana Jacks.

Posted by: JackStraw
That's why I said had. Glad to hear it is good. We liked to go there for a drink or two in the past.

Posted by: Aviator at November 14, 2018 08:14 PM (2cuLk)

203

Memo to self... It's tongue punch their fart box not sucker punch their tongue box

Posted by: Mike A at November 14, 2018 08:24 PM (pmNIp)

204 Those court thingies what with that trial business don't allow for safe spaces which means the victim could be subject to all kinds of stares, facial expressions, and telepathic broadcasts from evil men sitting in the very same room.

That's why our enlightening hearings have all testimony occur in special Faraday chambers that block out thought-rape that the men undoubtably all attempt.

Posted by: Title IX Coordinator at November 14, 2018 08:26 PM (gDSJf)

205 Due process? Innocent until proven guilty?

Heartless hag!!!!

Posted by: Daniel Kunkle at November 14, 2018 08:38 PM (r7jLD)

206 I have to say...this change makes perfect logical sense, so it must be misogynistic.

Posted by: Dean wormer at November 14, 2018 08:40 PM (ABH6n)

207 Seems fair to me.

Posted by: nip at November 14, 2018 08:42 PM (NUH4Q)

208 Those evil Republicans don't even understand that we prohibited men to have representatives or attorneys because they would use them to form an Einstein-Rosen-Podolsky bridge, defeating our Faraday chamber defenses and allowing them to transmit their telepathic thought-rape uninhibited like the animals they are.

That's what we get for having SCIENCE! deniers in power.

Posted by: Title IX Coordinator at November 14, 2018 08:50 PM (gDSJf)

209 Marxist/feminists want to see as many male students convicted as possible to justify their fake "rape culture" claims against their imaginary bugbear "the patriarchy".
If they could, they would have "believe all women" as their standard of proof for conviction.

Posted by: w at November 15, 2018 07:11 AM (cYWKd)

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