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Gun Thread: Commie Bastards! [Weasel]
Last week we spent some time discussing the AR-15, and it's a topic and a subject I suspect we'll see again over time as I begin to run out of other ideas. This week, however, I think it only fair to give the commies a nod and take a quick look at their masterpiece of reliability, functionality, and the favorite of rogue guerilla movements everywhere.
Avtomat Kalashnikova
Mikhail Timofeyevich Kalashnikov is to the Rooskies what John Garand or Eugene Stoner is to us non-Commies. Born in 1919 as the seventeenth of nineteen children (with eight surviving to adulthood), he was conscripted into the Red Army in 1938, eventually rising to the rank of Lieutenant General. To say he was a prolific designer is an understatement, and his life - from humble beginnings as a peasant to Hero of the Fatherland - was remarkable. Probably his most enduring achievement was the design of the Avtomát Kaláshnikova, or Automatic Rifle, the AK-47.
Stoner and Kalashnikov in 1990 with their respective designs
Welcome to the PLA, the Fu Jian Province and State Factory 386
Poly Technologies (PolyTech) Legend AK-47/SGuns & Ammo Article
Home Sweet Home - State Factory 389
This week's Old Gun comes from our pal Blake. It's a Swiss made K31 purchased from the now defunct SAMCO Global. Blake tells us three things make this rifle interesting: the straight-pull bolt, the legendary accuracy, and the very consistent 7.5x55 Swiss military ammunition. It also sounds like Blake has shot the rifle competitively and has scored well with it. However, like many of us, he's convinced the rifle shoots better than he can.
Swiss K31 courtesy BlakeBlake mentioned one other thing I'd never heard of. Apparently, a lot of these rifles have a tag under the butt plate with the name of the last person the rifle was issued to. Looks like Karl Bannier had this one... how very cool is this?!!
Please note we have a new and improved gmail account MoronGunThread for sending in pics. Hopefully this will work going forward!! Thanks for your patience and please let me know if you have any more trouble (with the email, not your personal weirdness). Again, that's morongunthread at gmail dot com.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Charles the Simple at October 14, 2018 07:09 PM (w7U7L)
Posted by: MAxIE, mentioned in dispatches at October 14, 2018 07:12 PM (9TR2V)
Posted by: f'd at October 14, 2018 07:12 PM (UdKB7)
Posted by: f'd at October 14, 2018 07:12 PM (UdKB7)
Posted by: Charles the Simple at October 14, 2018 07:12 PM (w7U7L)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at October 14, 2018 07:12 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at October 14, 2018 07:13 PM (WEBkv)
Posted by: Skip at October 14, 2018 07:15 PM (T4oHT)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 07:15 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2018 07:16 PM (tEVlJ)
Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at October 14, 2018 07:13 PM (WEBkv)
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Thanks for sending it in!!
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 07:16 PM (MVjcR)
We won't mention my failures with the .243.
Anyway, the range I was at, there's a steel plate hanging at 175 yards, 10" x 14".
Made a wonderful sound when being whacked by a 30 cal bullet.
Paper targets are all well and good, but give me a good steel target any day!
Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at October 14, 2018 07:18 PM (WEBkv)
Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 14, 2018 07:18 PM (xzqr4)
Posted by: Mike K at October 14, 2018 07:18 PM (s170V)
Posted by: Skip at October 14, 2018 07:18 PM (T4oHT)
Posted by: Thanatopsis at October 14, 2018 07:19 PM (DefRK)
Posted by: what a world at October 14, 2018 07:19 PM (ZWxnW)
What ever happened to the 'fad' of making gas piston ARs?
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 14, 2018 07:19 PM (2DOZq)
I like the paper targets with the layer of yellow chalk beneath the black. A hit makes a nice yellow circle easy to see 100 yards away.
Posted by: Mike K at October 14, 2018 07:20 PM (s170V)
A lot of good men died in Vietnam with jammed M-16s. It was a hated gun and many wanted the m-14 put back in service.
Posted by: Blago at October 14, 2018 07:20 PM (UfkIY)
Posted by: Ben Had
The AK may be rugged AF, but even they require some maintenance. Which, we've established, Achmed just don't do.
Posted by: I'm Brother Cavil, and I recommend The Courage To Be Disliked at October 14, 2018 07:20 PM (lLeln)
Posted by: Kindltot at October 14, 2018 07:21 PM (mUa7G)
Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at October 14, 2018 07:18 PM (WEBkv)
Just watched the steel target world championship. Looks like a blast. It's had the same set up since the competition was created. 13 different weapon classes.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 14, 2018 07:21 PM (2DOZq)
On that budget, what would you buy?
Posted by: phone of kari at October 14, 2018 07:21 PM (sd1SN)
Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 14, 2018 07:21 PM (xzqr4)
Posted by: MAxIE, mentioned in dispatches at October 14, 2018 07:21 PM (9TR2V)
Posted by: JT at October 14, 2018 07:22 PM (bFW/U)
Posted by: MAxIE, mentioned in dispatches at October 14, 2018 07:23 PM (9TR2V)
Posted by: Blago at October 14, 2018 07:20 PM (UfkIY)
That was short term. They corrected most of the problems which were chroming and cleaner ammo. And doing away with the myth that it was self cleaning.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 14, 2018 07:23 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Kindltot at October 14, 2018 07:21 PM (mUa7G)
Or the AK-12 and AK-15?
Posted by: Bert G at October 14, 2018 07:23 PM (OMsf+)
On that budget, what would you buy?
Posted by: phone of kari at October 14, 2018 07:21 PM (sd1SN)
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I guess it sort of depends on the intended use. Hunting? Plinking? Brandishing?
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 07:23 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: MAxIE, mentioned in dispatches at October 14, 2018 07:23 PM (9TR2V)
Still kick myself for not doing it.
Ah well, another one that got away.
Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at October 14, 2018 07:23 PM (WEBkv)
Posted by: phone of kari at October 14, 2018 07:24 PM (sd1SN)
Posted by: Iowa Bob at October 14, 2018 07:24 PM (bjCNA)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 14, 2018 07:25 PM (+y/Ru)
Apparently I am not good at ducking, and I got a lot of hits to the head and hands.
*sigh*
One good round bruise on my shoulder, a classic "million dollar wound".
Apparently I am fat, out of shape and no longer 28
Posted by: Kindltot at October 14, 2018 07:26 PM (mUa7G)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 14, 2018 07:26 PM (Fh8wK)
Posted by: Nurse ratched at October 14, 2018 07:26 PM (PkVlr)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 07:23 PM (MVjcR)
Thanks Weasel, duh. I have a 22 plinker, this is a "you live in antifa terroritory and only own a 22???" rifle.
Or would be, if this werent merely a thought exercise.
Posted by: phone of kari at October 14, 2018 07:26 PM (sd1SN)
I still can't figure out how they did it.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 14, 2018 07:26 PM (JUOKG)
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 14, 2018 07:27 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 14, 2018 07:27 PM (xzqr4)
Or would be, if this werent merely a thought exercise.
Posted by: phone of kari at October 14, 2018 07:26 PM (sd1SN)
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I'm thinking an AR Carbine would work well in those circumstances.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 07:28 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: dd at October 14, 2018 07:28 PM (V2W/Q)
Posted by: Fritz at October 14, 2018 07:28 PM (Z9C5C)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 07:28 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: josephistan at October 14, 2018 07:29 PM (Izzlo)
Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2018 07:29 PM (tEVlJ)
Sturmgewehr 44: Yeah, very original
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 14, 2018 07:29 PM (SiINZ)
Posted by: josephistan at October 14, 2018 07:29 PM (Izzlo)
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That's OK! Do you do any shooting?
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 07:30 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Kindltot at October 14, 2018 07:30 PM (mUa7G)
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I have a reactive target similar to the ball here:
https://amzn.to/2J0iVXK
I find it great fun to shoot with a pistol.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 14, 2018 07:30 PM (+y/Ru)
Posted by: Kindltot at October 14, 2018 07:21 PM (mUa7G)
Or the AK-12 and AK-15?
Posted by: Bert G at October 14, 2018 07:23 PM (OMsf+)
Or the AKM?
Posted by: Surfperch at October 14, 2018 07:30 PM (tKF1g)
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp
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You still have a bullet that was simply too small.
AKs have their own issues, most of which is the production quality was all over the place.
Still, had the American military made something more simple and rugged like the AK with the larger caliber, I think it would have been way better than the M-16 experience.
Posted by: Blago at October 14, 2018 07:31 PM (UfkIY)
Crap AK's will have crap reliability, especially with crap maintenance. Just ask anyone who had to train Iraqis and Afghanis on AKM's.
The good news is that most copies available in the US are decent from a functional standpoint, even if you sometimes have to watch out for things like canted front sights. There are a ton of good resources, and even a cursory effort at doing your homework should net you a good rifle. Usually this is a matter of avoiding canted sights, improperly heat treated receivers and fire control parts (resulting in egged out holes and peened components).
Now, on the longevity front; ability to operate in dirty conditions does not automatically equate to longevity. It's not uncommon for the rails bent into the top of stamped AKM clone receivers to start cracking at around 30k rounds. These can sometimes be repaired with welding. You have the option of getting rifles with thicker RPK pattern receivers, though. These can be distinguished from AKM receivers externally if you learn what to look for.
They are an effective rifle that will last a few lifetimes of real use. The round counts needed to clap them out usually require deep pockets and recreational use.
M16/AR15's on the other hand will usually have the lower receiver (as long as you don't get stupid messing with the fire control parts) and bolt carrier last forever, with upper receivers giving up the ghost from wear after you hit 6-figure round counts. On the original pattern 20" rifles you might never break or wear out a bolt; on the shorter ones, the shorter you go, the more rapidly you will break bolts and shoot out barrels (gas ports on the shorter ones erode faster, even if the throats don't).
Posted by: lurker at October 14, 2018 07:31 PM (67XdO)
Posted by: f'd at October 14, 2018 07:31 PM (UdKB7)
https://tinyurl.com/ycfqa2tt
It seems that after 10,000 rounds the slides may develop cracks.
Posted by: Bert G at October 14, 2018 07:32 PM (OMsf+)
Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2018 07:29 PM (tEVlJ)
And a complimentary checkup.
(It's 7:30: Your meetup with the in-laws is done already???)
Posted by: Vendette at October 14, 2018 07:32 PM (tT986)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 14, 2018 07:32 PM (HaL55)
It seems to reach out 50 -75 yards more with a little better accuracy. I liked the milled recvrs too.
I guess thats why I have a pile of SKS's 15 high now (just got in 2 paratroopers this week).
I have a model M sks that takes the AK mags which is the best of both worlds.
I love those Swiss rifles also and have 2 1896/11's, 2 1911's, and 7 K-31s (2 of em unissued) and a 1889. They all shoot better than I can.
One of the 1911's is a P series (the soldier took it home with him when his service was over).
I like the 1911s and 1896/11's a little better because the longer sight radius is good in case these ole eyes ever need to line up on one of them antifa snowflakes during the burning times.
Posted by: The Walking Dude at October 14, 2018 07:32 PM (yuVxc)
Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 14, 2018 07:34 PM (xzqr4)
On that budget, what would you buy?
Posted by: phone of kari at October 14, 2018 07:21 PM (sd1SN)
I won't be the only one to say this, but your numbers are off.
A good sight will (and often does) cost as much as the rifle, so they say.
But to wring out the most from an expensive gun you'll need a good glass.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 14, 2018 07:34 PM (z79tQ)
Sorry to be "that guy" but you are not going to be happy with a $200 scope. And don't forget to budget for the mount and rings. That could easily be $100+. On plus side, there are many good rifles for < 1K.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderber's phone at October 14, 2018 07:34 PM (H3In4)
Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2018 07:35 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2018 07:36 PM (tEVlJ)
On that budget, what would you buy?
Posted by: phone of kari at October 14, 2018 07:21 PM (sd1SN)
You're doing it wrong.
Spend 'bout $350~$400 on the rifle. Savage w/ Accu-Trigger, or Ruger All-American, Mossberg MVP, etc. Those are all true near-MOA rifles, and many of the Rugers are proving to be Sub-MOA...luck of the draw to get a "sweet" one, but they're not rare.
Spend $500 ish on the scope, and another $200 on bases and rings.
Thousand dollar rifle with a $200 scope is only going to result in your realizing 1/2 the rifle's capability, at best.
Put some more money into top-end lessons from Weasel, or someone he'd recommend in your area.
Oh, and buy a huge variety of factory ammo till you find the recipe your rifle likes best. Then buy a case or pallet of it, to last you a lifetime.
Or, learn to reload and cook up your own. Either works.
Good luck.
AIM SMALL.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at October 14, 2018 07:38 PM (QzJWU)
Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2018 07:36 PM (tEVlJ)
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That'll be cool!
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 07:38 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 14, 2018 07:39 PM (2DOZq)
Blake, that is so correct. When I introduced my niece and her husband to the wonders of a Rolling Block with 45-70 black powder cartridges, they were shooting at a steel target 200 yards away. Once they figured the range and started hitting the steel there was no stopping them. I had brought 80 rounds and could have brought 10 times more. They loved that 405 grain bullet making the target clang.
Posted by: JTB at October 14, 2018 07:40 PM (V+03K)
Posted by: Vendette at October 14, 2018 07:32 PM (tT986)
Yup, just got home. Had a nice Osso Bucco
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 14, 2018 07:42 PM (Fh8wK)
It shoots well and I've always wanted to take a deer with it. I even bought some hunting ammo for it and tested it out at the range. But every time I think about taking it hunting, I imagine a monster buck walking out in low light conditions and me trying to pick up those iron sights with my old eyes. I need to take a buck early in the season and then take the K-31 out later to shoot a doe under good light conditions.
Posted by: Hobo with a laptop at October 14, 2018 07:42 PM (Dgce0)
AR-15: the professional's rifle. Accurate. Shits where it eats, so it's the choice of well-trained forces who have the discipline, resources and opportunity for proper cleaning and maintenance.
AK-47: the slob's rifle. Inaccurate, stone-axe reliable, the choice of semi-literate peasants who can keep it running in their Third World shithole with a motor-oil soaked knotted shoelace.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 14, 2018 07:42 PM (j4zcI)
...$300 for ammo, $200 for optics, and an even $1000 for the rifle
itself. Are there any other expenses i should (hypothetically) factor
in?
Sorry to be "that guy" but you are not going to be happy with a $200
scope. And don't forget to budget for the mount and rings. That could
easily be $100+. On plus side, there are many good rifles for <
1K.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderber's phone at October 14, 2018 07:34 PM (H3In4)
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Completely agree about the glass. I have heard people complain about overpaying for a gun, for ammo, but never, ever overpay for glass.
A few years ago I was at the rifle range, one of the semi-regulars paid something like a thousand for a scope on his custom .308. When someone grumbled about the price, he just said, "here, take a look".
Silence and nodding followed.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at October 14, 2018 07:42 PM (UsCnO)
Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2018 07:42 PM (tEVlJ)
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 14, 2018 07:34 PM (z79tQ)
Posted by: Bob the Bilderber's phone at October 14, 2018 07:34 PM (H3In4)
Posted by: Jim at October 14, 2018 07:38 PM (QzJWU)
Not to say I told you so, but...
There'll be more, surely.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 14, 2018 07:42 PM (z79tQ)
Oh my daughter will have multiple cats
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 14, 2018 07:42 PM (Fh8wK)
Thousand dollar rifle with a $200 scope is only going to result in your realizing 1/2 the rifle's capability, at best.
Put some more money into top-end lessons from Weasel, or someone he'd recommend in your area.
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Yes. A million times yes regarding the bases and rings. I've seen guys take a $6,000 custom rifle and a $2,000 precision scope and decide to save $100 on bases and rings.
Oh, and thanks for the kind words Jim, but WeaselSkool is free!!
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 07:43 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Agitator at October 14, 2018 07:44 PM (atO6j)
Posted by: grnberet at October 14, 2018 07:44 PM (9qgwW)
Asking for my horses.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2018 07:42 PM (tEVlJ)
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The bullets mostly splatter when hitting steel and the shrapnel doesn't go very far.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 07:44 PM (MVjcR)
Oh noes!!! Pete Davidson and Ariana Grande have BROKEN UP!!!
How will we all go on?!?!?!?!?
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 14, 2018 07:44 PM (miE9U)
Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 14, 2018 07:45 PM (xzqr4)
The Bucket Shot was Down At 564 yards . He couldn't hit it free standing but did hit it with a support rest. A more skilled shooter with the Sharps could have done it. The Quigley was done at 800 yards. I was surprised but it the shot went through both targets like butter.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 14, 2018 07:46 PM (2DOZq)
How will we all go on?!?!?!?!?
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 14, 2018 07:44 PM (miE9U)
She's got one less problem without him.
Posted by: Vendette at October 14, 2018 07:46 PM (tT986)
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 14, 2018 07:46 PM (2DOZq)
Oh noes!!! Pete Davidson and Ariana Grande have BROKEN UP!!!
How will we all go on?!?!?!?!?
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 14, 2018 07:44 PM (miE9U)
Time to make my move.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2018 07:46 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2018 07:47 PM (tEVlJ)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 07:47 PM (MVjcR)
How will we all go on?!?!?!?!?
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 14, 2018 07:44 PM (miE9U)
I didn't know she was dating the 5th Doctor
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 14, 2018 07:47 PM (SiINZ)
Or would be, if this werent merely a thought exercise.
Posted by: phone of kari at October 14, 2018 07:26 PM (sd1SN)
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you can get a decent quality AR for ~$500. spend a few bucks more that $200 for some good optics then plow the rest into ammo for training AND SHTF.
or start a pistol/shotgun fund with the difference. a decent pump 12 gauge is $200-300
Posted by: redc1c4 at October 14, 2018 07:47 PM (kRSP9)
How will we all go on?!?!?!?!?
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 14, 2018 07:44 PM (miE9U)
So, you're saying there's a chance?!
Posted by: Horny Millenial Fap fap fap fapfapfap at October 14, 2018 07:47 PM (z79tQ)
Posted by: grnberet at October 14, 2018 07:44 PM (9qgwW)
COBs should be getting Blanco Basura to hook them up with moronhorde.com email addresses.
Posted by: Bert G at October 14, 2018 07:48 PM (OMsf+)
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 14, 2018 07:48 PM (miE9U)
Posted by: Coelacanth at October 14, 2018 07:48 PM (OCzl8)
Not sure about the Ambassador's political leanings.
Posted by: mikeyG at October 14, 2018 07:49 PM (LL1Be)
Posted by: A Friend at October 14, 2018 07:49 PM (kXPT5)
Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2018 07:47 PM (tEVlJ)
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I'm glad you brought it up! Can't be too careful.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 07:49 PM (MVjcR)
This usually results in people talking about bore diameter, but it is becoming very evident with modern ammunition development that caliber is probably the least important element as long as you keep it reasonable. For a general purpose intermediate round -
- You need a certain amount of mass, probably at least 75gr, possibly all the way out to ~125+
- If your mass is too low in proportion to your caliber, you will have stubby projectiles with crap ballistic coefficient (7.62x39, x35, and 7.92x33). These work fine at shorter ranges but we can do better.
- If you have too much mass - for example, if you are trying to make the projectile longer for a higher BC - you will have trouble getting up to a good speed to get a good ballistic coefficient far downrange, and/or you will have more recoil than you want for a general purpose round.
The end result of this is - pick the mass you need to get the job done, then pick a mix of projectile profile (and thus caliber) and powder you want to use to get the job done.
Posted by: lurker at October 14, 2018 07:49 PM (67XdO)
Posted by: qdpsteve at October 14, 2018 07:48 PM (miE9U)
*gathers chicken parts*
Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2018 07:49 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Surfperch at October 14, 2018 07:49 PM (tKF1g)
I guess this is hypothetical since I do not own a weapon, but I was wondering something. You know how places like movie theaters say no weapons allowed and yet make no effort to ensure compliance? (I don't usually perceive a threat at these places, but I do feel the most likely place a person might get shot is in a gun-free zone.)
Anyway, what if a person carries a gun in anyway and is somehow discovered? (I mean a responsible person who would never display the weapon or shoot someone except to save a life.) What happens then? Does the person just say "Oops, forgot I was carrying" or what?
Posted by: Emmie at October 14, 2018 07:50 PM (4HMW8)
Distant targets, for rifle, the deflected round should not be an issue (though often they are housed inside heavy wood shelters, to capture side-riccochets). Soil at the base should be soft. Gotta watch which ammo you use - AR500 steel will take a beating, but no reason to abuse if faster, so steel-core ammo is usually verboten.
For handgun, obviously steel is much closer, same considerations apply - steel moves/swings/falls. No magnum ammo.
Surprising how much lead splatter can travel back towards the shooter, but it's something that typicaly just stings, at most, normal protective wear more than adequate.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 14, 2018 07:50 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: A Friend at October 14, 2018 07:49 PM (kXPT5)
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Very cool! Big fan of the Ithaca 37. Mine is from the 80s I think.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 07:50 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 14, 2018 07:50 PM (Fh8wK)
take a $6,000 custom rifle and a $2,000 precision scope and decide to
save $100 on bases and rings.
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Barrett makes zero tolerance scope rings that completely connect with the scope tube, which keeps it from moving around.
yeah, they ain't cheap, but like the man said, "buy once, cry once".
YMMV.
Posted by: redc1c4 at October 14, 2018 07:50 PM (kRSP9)
Posted by: Emmie at October 14, 2018 07:50 PM (4HMW8)
Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2018 07:49 PM (NWiLs)
Take a glazed donut too, she likes those.
Posted by: Horny Millenial Fap fap fap fapfapfap at October 14, 2018 07:51 PM (z79tQ)
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And that's why Gun Commandment #17 is "Do not buy a Ruger until the design is five years old."
I love Ruger (two New Vaqueros, a Service Six, a Mark III, a 10/22 and a 10/22 Compact on the way that's getting an underfold stock), but I won't be a beta tester for them.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 14, 2018 07:52 PM (j4zcI)
Usually a steel target isn't fixed so some energy is used up when striking, yes?
Posted by: Skip at October 14, 2018 07:52 PM (T4oHT)
Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 14, 2018 07:52 PM (xzqr4)
The responsible thing is to call 911 that a guy is "brandishing" and then watch the fun begin.
Sell more popcorn!
Posted by: Ignoramus at October 14, 2018 07:53 PM (1UZdv)
Posted by: Bob the Bilderber's phone at October 14, 2018 07:53 PM (H3In4)
Posted by: Emmie at October 14, 2018 07:50 PM (4HMW
Never happened to me but my plan is Oops didn't see the sign. Anyway , most times they would just ask you to leave.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 14, 2018 07:53 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Joe 'Bird' Biden at October 14, 2018 07:53 PM (kXPT5)
Squirrels are not a problem around my house.
I sold AKs in our shop but they had poor ergonomics that didn't appeal to me and you can watch a YouTube video of an M-16 vs AK-47 full auto magazine dump. The AK failed the test.
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at October 14, 2018 07:54 PM (bML9A)
Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2018 07:54 PM (tEVlJ)
If you don't have a knowledgeable friend willing/able to teach you, you should factor in that cost as well.
Sorry to be one of those internet gun guys.
Posted by: Butch at October 14, 2018 07:54 PM (hXu8T)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 14, 2018 07:54 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2018 07:54 PM (tEVlJ)
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Where is this front pasture of which you speak?
Posted by: Andrew Mendoza and His Bucket at October 14, 2018 07:55 PM (rQM9Y)
Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2018 07:54 PM (tEVlJ)
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WW is really looking forward to seeing the horses!
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 07:55 PM (MVjcR)
"I carry everywhere unless it is patently illegal. Signs saying "gun free zone" it means nothing to me. However, I never wear clothes that can telegraph my gun."
Posted by: Les Kinetic at October 14, 2018 07:55 PM (4ZE6o)
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 14, 2018 07:55 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: rhomboid at October 14, 2018 07:56 PM (QDnY+)
Trump has nominated three new justices to the 9th Circuit, and they're all members of the Federalist Society. That's still not enough to give us a sane majority, but it's three more steps toward that eventual goal.
Harris and Feinstein are, of course, both throwing hissy fits. They're complaining that the White House didn't consult with them and get their approval. But the article about the new nominations over at American Thinker stated that the White House had been negotiating with them throughout the summer.
Posted by: junior at October 14, 2018 07:56 PM (cdZKy)
Posted by: Emmie at October 14, 2018 07:50 PM (4HMW
A wide multitude of things MAY happen, from mild and most likely to wild and life-threatening.
Most likely, someone sees it and tells mgmt. and they ask you to leave.
Less likely, people around you freak out and you panic and run away.
Not as rare as it should be, someone calls the po po and you get SWATTED as they want to teach you a lesson*
*They being the anti-gun zealot you exposed your piece to.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 14, 2018 07:56 PM (z79tQ)
Posted by: Eromero at October 14, 2018 07:56 PM (zLDYs)
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 14, 2018 07:53 PM (2DOZq)
Yeah, I wondered if your license to carry means you have promised to pay attention to signs like that.
Posted by: Emmie at October 14, 2018 07:56 PM (4HMW8)
The bitch is Leslie Stahl.
Posted by: Les Kinetic at October 14, 2018 07:57 PM (4ZE6o)
Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2018 07:46 PM (NWiLs)
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I understand she likes donuts. Pick up a dozen on the way over.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 14, 2018 07:57 PM (rQM9Y)
depends. The 2 paratroopers I bought this week went for 395 each which I thought was a good deal these days.
Yugo M59/66A1s- will go in the 400-500 dollar range.
M59s for more due to the rariry
Russians for even more
ROmanians for even more (due to the rarirty)
Albanians start at 800+ if they are in bad shape and go up from there. They only made 17000 of em and the UN ground up half of those so they are rare.
East Germans, North Koreans, Polish Honor guard, and North Vietnamese are thousands due to the rarity in the US.
I remember when SKS's went for 59 bucks each and they had barrels full. I should have bought truckloads of em.
Posted by: The Walking Dude at October 14, 2018 07:57 PM (yuVxc)
Am I the only one?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 07:57 PM (pUDQf)
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An expression that still makes no sense.
You buy once when you bought quality and don't have to replace it.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 14, 2018 07:57 PM (j4zcI)
Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 14, 2018 07:52 PM (xzqr4)
Thanks, glad to hear that it's still within my price range (which isn't much).
Posted by: Surfperch at October 14, 2018 07:58 PM (tKF1g)
Posted by: Skip
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I was hit in the chest by a .32 Short that bounced off of an Oak board. Surprised, but not even bruised. Also, object lesson, not sure of what, except the fact that a .32 Short isn't exactly a manstopper.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 14, 2018 07:58 PM (kXPT5)
ROmanians for even more (due to the rarirty)
Albanians start at 800+ if they are in bad shape and go up from there. They only made 17000 of em and the UN ground up half of those so they are rare.
East Germans, North Koreans, Polish Honor guard, and North Vietnamese are thousands due to the rarity in the US.
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Are we still talking about guns?
Posted by: josephistan at October 14, 2018 07:58 PM (Izzlo)
There's a whole sub-cult of Swiss rifle shooters (as for all major types).
My time/ambitions/tastes just didn't extend that far, preferred to stick to just a few types, which have ended up being Mosins and M-1s.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 14, 2018 07:58 PM (QDnY+)
But he's beating on her.
Posted by: Ignoramus at October 14, 2018 07:59 PM (1UZdv)
Posted by: Les Kinetic at October 14, 2018 07:55 PM (4ZE6o)
So just because an establishment puts up a sign, it's not necessarily illegal?
Posted by: Emmie at October 14, 2018 07:59 PM (4HMW8)
Depends on your local laws. In Texas, if the notice does not conform to certain specific laws, you are not actually violating any criminal statute, only the business's policy. If you refuse to leave after being given proper notice, then you are trespassing.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderber's phone at October 14, 2018 07:59 PM (H3In4)
Posted by: Emmie at October 14, 2018 07:56 PM (4HMW
No but there are places you are prohibited from concealed carry and you can't say you forgot. But again most times they will just ask you to leave,
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 14, 2018 07:59 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 14, 2018 07:59 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: Spankmeister at October 14, 2018 07:59 PM (dn8lZ)
Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2018 08:00 PM (tEVlJ)
discovered? (I mean a responsible person who would never display the
weapon or shoot someone except to save a life.) What happens then?
Does the person just say "Oops, forgot I was carrying" or what?--------------------
It really depends on local laws and attitudes. If the policy is a corporate one, and you're in a gun friendly area, then you might get off with a "warning". But here in LA County, I think it's pretty safe to say that you'd be asked to leave at minimum.
Posted by: junior at October 14, 2018 08:00 PM (cdZKy)
Posted by: Emmie at October 14, 2018 07:56 PM (4HMW
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Here in GA, if they would like to make places off limits to carry, then they have to use a state approved sign. If you go in carrying anyway and they notice it, they first have to ask you to leave. It only gets legal if you refuse that request.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 14, 2018 08:00 PM (I16G8)
Posted by: Andrew Mendoza
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In front of the back pasture. Duh.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 14, 2018 08:01 PM (kXPT5)
Posted by: rhomboid at October 14, 2018 08:01 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Ignoramus at October 14, 2018 08:01 PM (1UZdv)
Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2018 08:01 PM (tEVlJ)
Posted by: Emmie at October 14, 2018 08:02 PM (4HMW8)
I posted above I have still not shot the Ruger PC I bought a few of months ago.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 14, 2018 08:03 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Ignoramus at October 14, 2018 08:03 PM (1UZdv)
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 14, 2018 08:03 PM (j4zcI)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 14, 2018 08:03 PM (0GuIv)
The right to be on their property doesn't exist though. So you'd be trespassing if you didn't leave.
Best just to avoid giving money to asshole corporations that do that.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 08:03 PM (pUDQf)
Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2018 08:01 PM (tEVlJ)
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Oh, great!
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 08:04 PM (MVjcR)
Buddy shot his AK, and his new Beretta .22 pistol (Neo ?).
Rain and cold feet caused us to wrap it up early.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at October 14, 2018 08:04 PM (QAdJD)
~$200 Wal Mart blister pack scopes are largely a complete waste of time and money. Especially consider that you're using time, gas, and ammo (and maybe range fees, for some of you) to try and zero them. A scope that won't hold zero or track correctly is worse than no scope at all.
The cheapest magnified glass I would consider for serious use are the lower end SWFA SS scopes: specifically the 1-4x, the fixed 10x, and the 3-9x. Their entire schtick is no-frills glass that tracks correctly and is durable. They will be heavy, the glass will not knock your pants off, and the reticles are basic, but they should work.
That said, if you are looking at glass for this sort of reason and can actually afford $1k plus rings, stop being cheap and do so - roll over to SnipersHide and see what is a good bang for the buck with a good track record.
Need a red dot on a budget? For serious use, a new Aimpoint PRO or a used one, depending on budget. Period. If you can't afford that, get acquainted with your irons. I don't care if you have astigmatism; use a rear peep sight co-witnessed to clear up the dot, because anything with a similar level of ruggedness and no astigmatism issues will cost twice as much.
Posted by: lurker at October 14, 2018 08:04 PM (67XdO)
Another layaway jar?
Rule of thumb is ½ rifle cost is the minimum optics cost, and 50-50 is my recommended split. If you're target shooting you prioritize power and repeatability, the ability to keep zero through power and range adjustments. For hunting you want simplicity, bigger objectives, and high quality glass for deep woods and dusk brightness. For self defense you don't need an optic --the perp is right there!
If you're just plinking or recreational shooting, you don't need $1000 for the rifle, split some off for the optic. I've learned the hard way firearms are more accurate than humans, and humans are limited by what they can see.
Posted by: hooodathunkit at October 14, 2018 08:04 PM (QqKVc)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 14, 2018 08:05 PM (Fh8wK)
Posted by: DanInMN at October 14, 2018 08:05 PM (/5ebB)
Sama-zar-YAD-niy kara-BEEN See-MOAN-a-va, for those wondering what "SKS" stands for.
Self-loading carbine, Simonov design
Simonov
Shpagin (as in PPsh-41)
Degtyarov
Aside from Kalashnikov, the other big names in Soviet small arms design, pre- and WWII era.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 14, 2018 08:05 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 14, 2018 08:03 PM (j4zcI)
Noted. thx.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 14, 2018 08:05 PM (z79tQ)
I should make a run to the CMP range in Talladega.
Posted by: Butch at October 14, 2018 08:05 PM (hXu8T)
Posted by: hooodathunkit at October 14, 2018 08:05 PM (QqKVc)
That's what I worry about, the editing. PDT has no reason to trust these slime balls won't do everything in their power to take him out of context to make him look bad. Perhaps he should insist on everything being done LIVE.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at October 14, 2018 08:06 PM (PkVlr)
about my rifle is that the damn thing is LOUD. .... Anyone else have any
comments on this sound issue with this caliber? (I use cheap Tula metal
case ammo). "
Does it have a muzzle brake? That'd make it pants-on-head loud. Otherwise... everything similar is that kind of loud.
Posted by: lurker at October 14, 2018 08:06 PM (67XdO)
Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 14, 2018 08:07 PM (xzqr4)
Posted by: Butch at October 14, 2018 08:05 PM
Great range! I shot my AR-10 there out to 600 yards. Also shot my first M1 there!
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 08:08 PM (pUDQf)
Posted by: rhennigantx at October 14, 2018 08:08 PM (JFO2v)
Posted by: ThAt Deplorable SOB Van Owen at October 14, 2018 08:09 PM (lApJ5)
Posted by: Butch at October 14, 2018 08:09 PM (hXu8T)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 14, 2018 08:09 PM (8dJfY)
Interlocutor Stahl kept repeating questions with loaded premises and, to most people, looked like a badgering ass.
By the end, she was dewy wet.
Posted by: Ignoramus at October 14, 2018 08:10 PM (1UZdv)
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See-MOAN-ahv, I believe. "See-MOAN-a-va" (Simonova) would be a chick.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 14, 2018 08:10 PM (j4zcI)
Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2018 08:11 PM (tEVlJ)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 14, 2018 08:11 PM (Fh8wK)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 07:57 PM (pUDQf)
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nope.
we were supposed to go to the range for several things, to include breaking in the barrels of some rifles during Resident 3vil's unscheduled vacation this summer, but she starts her new j*b tomorrow, and we ain't shot shit the whole time, other than the BB pistol we bought for the rats in the yard.
of course, some things we have that are true collectables aren't likely to go out either.
Posted by: redc1c4 at October 14, 2018 08:11 PM (kRSP9)
There was one of those 6-plate plate racks, at the end (inside the U of the berm), up against the end. RO with timer is back behind me, everyone else is much further back.
On the 2nd or 3rd plate, when I hit it, I felt a sting on one side of my nose, and felt blood trickling down. Didn't hurt much, I knew it was just a nick, so I kept shooting, and wanted to shock the squad if I could. When the rack was clean, I stopped/cleared/holstered, then turned around.
Hilarious. Various people exclaimed "oh, he's hit!" and stuff like that, but the excitement was brief, as I was laughing and wiping the blood off. That was with jacketed 9mm ammo (factory, before I was reloading).
Posted by: rhomboid at October 14, 2018 08:11 PM (QDnY+)
Columbo is on and it's the 4th and final stint of Patrick McGoohan as the murderer. He's a crooked mortician. He just killed Rue McClanahan with a blunt instrument.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at October 14, 2018 08:11 PM (f1Vqw)
Posted by: rhennigantx at October 14, 2018 08:12 PM (JFO2v)
Posted by: rhomboid at October 14, 2018 08:12 PM (QDnY+)
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Got it! OK if I respond tomorrow?
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 08:13 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Butch at October 14, 2018 08:09 PM (hXu8T
I believe so Butch. They have a 100 yard range. I'd call to double check though.
They make you qual on the 200 before you can move to 300. Then they let you move to 600.
All electronic targets on that range which is awesome.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 08:13 PM (pUDQf)
in Wisconsin, carrying concealed in a posted gun-free area is charged as "trespassing", and can draw a fine up to $1000.
Other states, I dunno.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at October 14, 2018 08:14 PM (QAdJD)
Posted by: Anchovy at October 14, 2018 08:15 PM (srWwQ)
Gee - challenging false premises - even making that the bulk of an interview ...... where I have seen that suggested before? For over a decade? Sometimes to high-profile principals facing weak-minded interviewers spouting the hysterical crap du jour?
Oh, right.
But they never - never - followed the advice, even when they agreed to before-hand, and consequently had lousy interviews.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 14, 2018 08:15 PM (QDnY+)
Columbo is on and it's the 4th and final stint of Patrick McGoohan as the murderer. He's a crooked mortician. He just killed Rue McClanahan with a blunt instrument.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at October 14, 2018 08:11 PM (f1Vqw)
He should have just waited for the STDs to do the job for him.
Posted by: Zombie Bea Arrthur at October 14, 2018 08:15 PM (Izzlo)
Posted by: Just one more thing at October 14, 2018 08:15 PM (Pfm7H)
Our mainstream media is worthless.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 14, 2018 08:15 PM (ykYG2)
Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at October 14, 2018 08:16 PM (0MIFZ)
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 14, 2018 08:16 PM (j4zcI)
that Jamal Khashoggi was not a journalist, but a high-level operative
for the Saudi intelligence service, an intimate of Osama bin Laden, and
the nephew of the shadiest of all Arab arms dealers, the infamous Adnan
Khashoggi. John Bradley reported last week in the Spectator that
Khashoggi, who allegedly met a grisly end in a Saudi consulate in
Istanbul, was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Islamist
organization that among other things wants to replace the Saudi monarchy
with a modern Islamist totalitarian state.-------------------
Read a piece a couple of days ago that suggested that he was likely quite literally the head of the political movement for Muslim Brotherhood-types in Saudi Arabia at the time of his (probable) death.
Posted by: junior at October 14, 2018 08:16 PM (cdZKy)
I don't believe anything Turkey says.
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 14, 2018 08:17 PM (2DOZq)
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crying over the amount spent vs crying about having to replace a cheaper product.
i generally agree with you, but it is still a good saying, at least for getting a point across simply.
Posted by: redc1c4 at October 14, 2018 08:17 PM (kRSP9)
Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 14, 2018 08:19 PM (xzqr4)
Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at October 14, 2018 08:17 PM (2DOZq)\
Neither do I. Nor do i beleive anything any of those arab states say.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 14, 2018 08:19 PM (Fh8wK)
All electronic targets on that range which is awesome.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 08:13 PM (pUDQf)
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I've shot on electronic targets but never quite embraced them for competition, especially in big matches. Having said that, they are extremely useful - so much so I bought a Silver Mountain Solo setup for the range at the farm.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 08:19 PM (Qf//Q)
Posted by: rhomboid at October 14, 2018 08:20 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: f'd at October 14, 2018 08:20 PM (UdKB7)
Posted by: Iowa Bob at October 14, 2018 08:20 PM (bjCNA)
RE: Bullets on steel - soft lead bullets deform like throwing a scoop of ice cream at a wall. Jacketed bullet are similar except the jacket turns into light weight high-velocity shrapnel, the lead core is still like ice cream. Paint the targets with white paint, the bullet splash makes a dark gray splash mark between 1 and 2 inches across on the steel - you can see and hear it.
The jacket and lead splash makes a trench under the target. Water collects there. In the rain, sometimes the only way to be sure of a hit is to see the bullet splash hit the water in the trench and throw water all over.
If you put steel targets inside a wood frame, find some old semi-truck mud flaps or rubber conveyor belts, cut into strips, and screw them into the wood frame around the target. The jackets will bounce off. Better yet, hang targets from old swing sets.
I regularly shoot steel from 100 to 1,000 and I have never seen anything come back.
Posted by: Richard at October 14, 2018 08:21 PM (hUZo5)
Posted by: Jewells45 at October 14, 2018 08:22 PM (dUJdY)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 14, 2018 08:22 PM (Fh8wK)
No. Sounds like the guy needed disappearing.
Posted by: f'd at October 14, 2018 08:22 PM (UdKB7)
Posted by: Iowa Bob at October 14, 2018 08:20 PM (bjCNA)
I feel the same way
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 14, 2018 08:22 PM (Fh8wK)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 08:19 PM (Qf//Q)
I'm torn on them too. They are great for long range feedback but it's hard to use them to zero in for accuracy.
At CMP, I tried dialing in at 600 yards for wind, elevation, grain, etc but the target kept reporting hits in the exact same spots. So I'm not sold on how accurate they are other than to say you hit the target somewhere.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 08:23 PM (pUDQf)
Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2018 08:23 PM (tEVlJ)
Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2018 08:23 PM (tEVlJ) side arm or rifle
Posted by: rhennigantx at October 14, 2018 08:24 PM (JFO2v)
I a lot of fun, though I didn't enjoy Sevierville traffic or getting stuck behind flatlanders who are apparently frightened and confused by the concept of an S-curve and consequently drive fifteen miles below the speed limit.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 14, 2018 08:25 PM (bZ7mE)
23 Dorenbachstrasse, my ass! More like freakin' Easy Street!
Posted by: andycanuck at October 14, 2018 08:25 PM (Evws/)
Posted by: Emmie at October 14, 2018 07:50 PM (4HMW
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It's my understanding in NC that, comically, if you don't have a concealed carry permit you'll get in much less trouble than if you do. I don't remember the details, but I think it's essentially the difference between a misdemeanor and a felony.
Funny how that sort of perverse incentive works.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Google Is Always Listening - Link in nic at October 14, 2018 08:25 PM (9dTkj)
Turkey - and the Saudis - of course lie all the time.
The press, almost anywhere, cannot be relied on in matters of this sort. Certainly not in the MidEast, outside some Israeli outlets.
The guy's connection to the Brotherhood and jihadism don't really help understand anything, as long as ......
The actual facts aren't known. Which they don't appear to be. And it seems the "fiancee" got some facts wrong.
Some stuff gets the 48-hour rule. This sort of stuff gets the 48-DAY rule.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 14, 2018 08:25 PM (QDnY+)
https://wn.nr/S2KZK6
This is a link to Classic Firearm's giveaway. They're giving away a freakin' Barrett M82A1! If you use the link to enter, I get bonus entries so if you're trying to maximize your chances, just go to their front page. I do think that if any Moon wins, he should promise to bring it to the first venue-suitablle MoMe.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at October 14, 2018 08:25 PM (cTajt)
Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2018 08:25 PM (tEVlJ)
Posted by: Iowa Bob at October 14, 2018 08:20
No, it's just dummies killing dummies. Fuck them all.
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at October 14, 2018 08:25 PM (bML9A)
Posted by: Charlie Brown's Armadillo at October 14, 2018 08:26 PM (UdKB7)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at October 14, 2018 08:26 PM (QAdJD)
Posted by: Youngstown Ohio outfit, circa 1982 at October 14, 2018 08:26 PM (xzqr4)
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The manufacturers make all sorts of accuracy and reliability claims. In a national match, I want somebody in the pits marking targets. I realize that can be prone to error, too, but I've just seen a lot of inexplicable misses on electronic targets from people who do not miss. Also, I'm old and set in my ways.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 08:26 PM (Qf//Q)
Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2018 08:27 PM (tEVlJ)
Other items not mentioned... the trigger group is heat-treated, and the 386 factory is also the place where the PLA makes their sniper rifles and Olympic-grade weapons, so it'll also has a chrome-lined, match-grade barrel.
Yes, they're worth extra penny you shell out to get one, IF you're very, *very* lucky to find one.
(A seven figure *might* get my interest... otherwise, no.)
Posted by: CPT. Charles at October 14, 2018 08:27 PM (W+kMI)
Long story short, a minor fenderbender in the parking lot resulted in a *my dick's bigger than your's* shouting match and then a fair bit of shoving and punches being thrown - it had that bad feel to it and it got ugly. The lot was full of other shoppers and families. My wife and son were with me and son had gotten in front of me and was ready. I looked around and an awful lot of folks had pulled their kids and spouses behind them and had a hand on a hip.
I had left my EDC in the truck when I went into the store. I know better but I thought it was always a safe area. Stunad!
LEO showed up in force and deescalated after a bit of head cracking it but the moral of the story is, any place has to potential to go red.
Posted by: Tonypete at October 14, 2018 08:28 PM (9rIkM)
Posted by: rhomboid at October 14, 2018 08:28 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Iowa Bob at October 14, 2018 08:20 PM (bjCNA)
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About six or so years ago I realized I'd become that way regarding Baltimore, Chicago, Birmingham, etc.
All out of sh*ts to give. Fix it yourself.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Google Is Always Listening - Link in nic at October 14, 2018 08:29 PM (9dTkj)
If you go to Insty's report on a German magazine's story about it, you'll find commentary showing how full of shit the Turks are over it.
Posted by: andycanuck at October 14, 2018 08:30 PM (Evws/)
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I found this one hanging on the wall at my local range. It came with enough spare parts to damn near make another gun, and a bunch of ammo, too. I didn't think very long.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 08:30 PM (Qf//Q)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chiTUvryG5U&t=38s
Posted by: Guzalot at October 14, 2018 08:30 PM (schB/)
I could have put an end to that.
Posted by: big john holmes at October 14, 2018 08:31 PM (ykYG2)
I guess this is hypothetical since I do not own a weapon, but I was wondering something. You know how places like movie theaters say no weapons allowed and yet make no effort to ensure compliance? (I don't usually perceive a threat at these places, but I do feel the most likely place a person might get shot is in a gun-free zone.)
Anyway, what if a person carries a gun in anyway and is somehow discovered? (I mean a responsible person who would never display the weapon or shoot someone except to save a life.) What happens then? Does the person just say "Oops, forgot I was carrying" or what?
Posted by: Emmie at October 14, 2018 07:50 PM (4HMW
In TX it depends. IF you are found to be carrying in an anti-gun location AND they do not have the Red 51 or the official 30.06 sign (concealed) or 30.07 (open carry) sign, the most they can ask you to do is to leave. With the presence of the signage indicated, you can be in serious hot water if caught by the cops while carrying.
Posted by: Catch Thirty Thr33 at October 14, 2018 08:31 PM (XZgzl)
Hope no morons are in Portland. What a cluster.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 08:31 PM (pUDQf)
Posted by: Ignoramus at October 14, 2018 08:31 PM (1UZdv)
Posted by: big john holmes at October 14, 2018 08:32 PM (ykYG2)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 14, 2018 08:32 PM (ykYG2)
On UToob. Hmmm, forget the title. Something like "how small arms work".
Love the WWII training films.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 14, 2018 08:32 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at October 14, 2018 08:34 PM (0MIFZ)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chiTUvryG5U&t=38s
Posted by: Guzalot at October 14, 2018 08:30 PM (schB/)
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Hope I didn't give you that impression. The one pictured above is pretty accurate at the distances you mention.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 08:34 PM (Qf//Q)
Posted by: Eromero at October 14, 2018 08:36 PM (zLDYs)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 08:13 PM
No worries. It'll be a while before I start reloading anyway. I have a crap ton of 30-06 brass, 7.62 brass and 5.56 brass. I could spend all winter reloading this stuff. And I still haven't even bought dies for the 5.56. So no hurry.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 14, 2018 08:37 PM (8dJfY)
'Twas here.
How Small Arms Work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJzXG7MYX1c&t=126s
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 14, 2018 08:37 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: JTB at October 14, 2018 07:40 PM (V+03K)
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That sounds like it was a ton of fun. Maybe some day I'll run into someone who'll let me shoot their 45-70.
Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at October 14, 2018 08:37 PM (WEBkv)
Posted by: Eromero at October 14, 2018 08:37 PM (zLDYs)
Sturmgewehr 44: Yeah, very original
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 14, 2018 07:29 PM (SiINZ)
Yeah, the Ruskies knew all about the StG44 since they were looking down the wrong end of the barrel of them. I do believe that the Kalishnikov took quite a few design features of the StG44 for his AK-47. Set those two firearms side-by-side and the heritage of the AK-47 becomes very apparent.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at October 14, 2018 08:38 PM (5Yee7)
Dont intend to carry (unless SHTF). After gunshop-level training will shoot maybe 1-2 times / month. Piece will live in gun safe due to grandkids. Will MAYBE try to teach Old Lady to shoot but unlikely, so no great weight on that please. Cost has to be in 3 figures and start with 6 or less, or above mentioned OL will have shit-fit.
Can any morons help?
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at October 14, 2018 08:42 PM (oSoNz)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 08:43 PM (pUDQf)
LEO showed up in force and deescalated after a bit of head cracking it but the moral of the story is, any place has to potential to go red.
Posted by: Tonypete at October 14, 2018 08:28 PM (9rIkM)
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My wife used to raise an eyebrow at the places I carried, until the church shootings took place.
Anyway, my philosophy is this: One cannot pick and choose as to when one will run into trouble.
Plus, how is this for a hypothetical: One is in court, defending oneself because the gun had to be used in self-defense, and, it turns out, the prosecution finds out one hasn't been diligent about carrying.
The prosecution will then paint you, the defendant, as "looking for trouble, because you don't carry all the time."
Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at October 14, 2018 08:44 PM (WEBkv)
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at October 14, 2018 08:42 PM (oSoNz)
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Can't go wrong with a lightly used Sig Sauer.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 08:44 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Weasel
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No, that little rant wasn't directed at anyone in particular. It's just one of my pet peeves because it gives people new to guns the wrong impression of what I consider one of the best rifles ever made. Of course there's junk out there, just like there are some crappy AR's.
Posted by: Guzalot at October 14, 2018 08:45 PM (schB/)
Posted by: WarEagle82 at October 14, 2018 08:45 PM (2BPRE)
Posted by: WarEagle82 at October 14, 2018 08:45 PM (2BPRE)
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Keeper!
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 08:46 PM (MVjcR)
Can any morons help?
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at October 14, 2018 08:42 PM (oSoNz)
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Go to your local gun store with a range and rental guns. Tell them just what you said here, and rent some guns to try out and see what feels good to you. You shouldn't have any trouble with your budget finding a good one for you.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 14, 2018 08:46 PM (I16G8)
Can any morons help?
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at October 14, 2018 08:42 PM (oSoNz)
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Glock in 9mm.
Other people will give you an idea as to model.
Glocks tend to just run, regardless of maintenance level.
I say this as a 1911 guy.
Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at October 14, 2018 08:46 PM (WEBkv)
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at October 14, 2018 08:42 PM (oSoNz)
Go to a gun shop, see what you like the look of. Then ask to hold one. Have them demonstrate the controls. Then try another. Don't look at or think about price or caliber until you find one that feels natural. After that, we can go from there.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 14, 2018 08:47 PM (y87Qq)
Posted by: WarEagle82 at October 14, 2018 08:45 PM (2BPRE)
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You made the sammiches when you got home, right?
Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at October 14, 2018 08:47 PM (WEBkv)
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at
Huge range of options out there. I would go to a reputable gun dealer, find a nice used smith or sig in 9mm. Either would make a great first gun.
I avoid Glocks for first time handgun owners because of their safety feature being on the trigger. I'd get an ambi safety on a 6" 9mm.
I'm a big fan of beretta too but they can be heavy for first timers.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 08:48 PM (pUDQf)
Posted by: Eromero at October 14, 2018 08:49 PM (zLDYs)
Posted by: TXNick77 at October 14, 2018 08:50 PM (38Nd0)
Posted by: Eromero at October 14, 2018 08:49 PM (zLDYs)
True moron gun owner answer. Lol
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 08:50 PM (pUDQf)
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at October 14, 2018 08:42 PM (oSoNz)
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We had a Gun Thread a few weeks ago on this very topic with lots of great advice in the comments. You might go back and look for that if you have time.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 08:51 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 08:51 PM (MVjcR)
http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=377249
Posted by: hogmartin at October 14, 2018 08:52 PM (y87Qq)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 08:52 PM (MVjcR)
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Can any morons help?
Well, that doesn't narrow things down very much. You might visit ranges that have rentals so you can try a variety of types/calibers/sizes/etc. If you are willing to divulge a general geographic location, you may find felllow Morons willing to meet you and let you try out their guns for the cost of ammo. One thing I have noticed about gun hobbyists is that they are usually not selfish with their toys.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at October 14, 2018 08:53 PM (cTajt)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 08:53 PM (pUDQf)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 08:53 PM (MVjcR)
failures, out of about 30 shooters on the range shoot I ran yesterday. 90% was lack of lube the rest, crap magazines or bloody safety chamber flags breaking off and sticking in the chamber causing a nice failure to feed or worse case a barrel obstruction and the drama that that can cause. I have banned chamber flags on my range due to the problems they cause. The weapon is safe if the working parts are locked to the rear and the mag is out after inspection of chamber.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at October 14, 2018 08:53 PM (bgJ0E)
Dont intend to carry (unless SHTF). After gunshop-level training will shoot maybe 1-2 times / month. Piece will live in gun safe due to grandkids. Will MAYBE try to teach Old Lady to shoot but unlikely, so no great weight on that please. Cost has to be in 3 figures and start with 6 or less, or above mentioned OL will have shit-fit.
Can any morons help?
Hit a range that has a good selection of rental guns. Try several out. Guns are very much like shoes: you have to see if they fit you and if you like them before you buy.
Posted by: Catch Thirty Thr33 at October 14, 2018 08:54 PM (XZgzl)
Anyone customize one of those yet??
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 08:53 PM (pUDQf)
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Yeah. A little bit!
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 08:54 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: hogmartin at October 14, 2018 08:55 PM (y87Qq)
I am going to offer an armadillo hunt along with the MoMe.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2018 08:23 PM (tEVlJ)
I am told that a six pack of Lone Star beer is the best bait for bringing them in.
They tell me you can get big'uns that way.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 14, 2018 08:55 PM (mUa7G)
Can any morons help?
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at October 14, 2018 08:42 PM (oSoNz)
There is a buttload of handguns that fit your criteria. If you're looking at semi-autos, Glock, Ruger, S&W M&P, Walther and Springfield all have pistols in that price range.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2018 08:56 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at October 14, 2018 08:53 PM (bgJ0E)
What do you use for AK-patterns that don't lock open?
Posted by: hogmartin at October 14, 2018 08:57 PM (y87Qq)
Anyone customize one of those yet??
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 08:53 PM (pUDQf)
Yep, made a mean long range precision .338LM out of one. The only Remington part left is the bolt shroud and the receiver body.
Also Kalashnikov was a cheat and a plagarist who took credit for other peoples effort the prick. Fuck him.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at October 14, 2018 08:57 PM (bgJ0E)
Anyone customize one of those yet??
Don't have one myself but it's kind of like the Chevy small block of bolt guns.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at October 14, 2018 08:57 PM (cTajt)
Posted by: Eromero at October 14, 2018 08:58 PM (zLDYs)
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at October 14, 2018 08:42 PM (oSoNz)
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Can't go wrong with a lightly used Sig Sauer.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 08:44 PM (MVjcR)
You can often find those as law enforcement trade-ins for a reasonable price.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2018 08:58 PM (NWiLs)
Can any morons help?
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at October 14, 2018 08:42 PM (oSoNz)
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A Ruger P95 could probably be had for $200 or less. They're ugly and heavy but reliable as heck and very accurate for social work. They also have a de-cocker which is sort of nice safety-wise for non-enthusiasts, too.
The P95 is 9mm and there's a P90 in .45 (iirc), but I have no experience with the P90. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one if I found it, though. I've got other fancier and more expensive stuff, but my P95 is probably my cheapest, ugliest, heaviest, and most favoritist gun.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Google Is Always Listening - Link in nic at October 14, 2018 08:58 PM (9dTkj)
Posted by: ThAt Deplorable SOB Van Owen at October 14, 2018 08:59 PM (lApJ5)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 09:00 PM (pUDQf)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 08:53 PM (MVjcR)
No, Weasel, thank you.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 14, 2018 08:55 PM (y87Qq)
Jesus. Get a room.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2018 09:01 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2018 08:58 PM (NWiLs)
The best ones are the P226s with the MADE IN W GERMANY stamps. I don't know if they're mechanically any better than the post-unification ones, but that's just a neat stamp to have.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 14, 2018 09:01 PM (y87Qq)
Also Kalashnikov was a cheat and a plagarist who took credit for other peoples effort the prick. Fuck him.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at October 14, 2018 08:57 PM (bgJ0E)
What barrel did you go with?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 09:02 PM (pUDQf)
And if you have any sense at all, you served them in humble silence with a knapkin over your forearm, you lucky bastard.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at October 14, 2018 09:04 PM (oSoNz)
Blake, I hope you get the chance. Both my rifles are single shots but modern not antiques and are rated for modern ammo. The 45-70 is a very versatile cartridge and is ideal for hand loaders. The history of the ammo and the old rifles adds to the fun.
Posted by: JTB at October 14, 2018 09:05 PM (V+03K)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 08:53 PM (MVjcR)
No, Weasel, thank you.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 14, 2018 08:55 PM (y87Qq)
Jesus. Get a room.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2018 09:01 PM (NWiLs)
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Ha!
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:05 PM (Qf//Q)
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at October 14, 2018 08:53 PM (bgJ0E)
What do you use for AK-patterns that don't lock open?
Posted by: hogmartin at October 14, 2018 08:57 PM (y87Qq)
"For inspection, parallel arms. Clear, ease springs."
If the rifle has been cleared of rounds it is clear. Rounds do not leap into the chamber and lock in by themselves, especially if there is no magazine present.
Assume everyone is dangerous until you have checked yourself of course but our range procedure is safe.
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at October 14, 2018 09:05 PM (bgJ0E)
Posted by: bill in arkansas at October 14, 2018 09:05 PM (xzqr4)
What barrel did you go with?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 09:02 PM (pUDQf)
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Depending on the application, take a look at Brux or Bartlein
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:06 PM (Qf//Q)
Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at October 14, 2018 09:06 PM (bgJ0E)
You always remember your first.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 09:07 PM (pUDQf)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 08:53 PM (MVjcR)
No, Weasel, thank you.
Posted by: hogmartin at October 14, 2018 08:55 PM (y87Qq)
Jesus. Get a room.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2018 09:01 PM (NWiLs)
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Thought Jesus stuck to mangers, mostly...
Posted by: No One of Consequence at October 14, 2018 09:08 PM (+F0Wk)
You always remember your first.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 09:07 PM (pUDQf)
Rohm RG-12 with custom electrical-tape grips in the back seat of a 1986 Grand Marquis.
*gets misty-eyed*
Posted by: hogmartin at October 14, 2018 09:09 PM (y87Qq)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:09 PM (Qf//Q)
Posted by: No One of Consequence at October 14, 2018 09:08 PM (+F0Wk)
Foxes have their holes and birds their nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2018 09:11 PM (NWiLs)
Rohm RG-12 with custom electrical-tape grips in the back seat of a 1986 Grand Marquis.
*gets misty-eyed*
Posted by: hogmartin at October 14, 2018 09:09 PM (y87Qq
Damn. Lost it to a German wench. Nice!
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 09:11 PM (pUDQf)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:09 PM
We can try
Posted by: Chuck C at October 14, 2018 09:11 PM (YTxkQ)
Interesting to read the thoughts on it.
Posted by: GWB at October 14, 2018 09:12 PM (CVc6J)
NZFrank - what sort of range - recreational? How much of that *is* there down there? Ownership must be quite limited.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 14, 2018 09:12 PM (QDnY+)
We can try
Posted by: Chuck C at October 14, 2018 09:11 PM (YTxkQ)
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Just a few more comments. C'mon guys! If I get 300 comments then the Monday conference call withCBD won't be so bad!
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:13 PM (Qf//Q)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:09 PM
On three ... one ... two ... three
Posted by: Chuck C at October 14, 2018 09:13 PM (YTxkQ)
Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2018 09:13 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 14, 2018 09:13 PM (hyuyC)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 09:14 PM (pUDQf)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:14 PM (Qf//Q)
Isosceles stance is for sissies! Real men use a Weaver stance! Seven shots enough for anybody! Scout Rifle!
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at October 14, 2018 09:14 PM (cTajt)
Posted by: Forheremenaremen at October 14, 2018 09:14 PM (RLiOt)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 09:15 PM (pUDQf)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:15 PM (Qf//Q)
304 Just heard a gunshot. Close, too. No shit.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:14 PM (Qf//Q
Lock and load brother.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 09:15 PM (pUDQf)
Is there some thread count "measuring" going on between the COBs? Is there a prize?
And here I thought you only bitched to each other about the deductibles in your dental plan. Huh.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 14, 2018 09:16 PM (hyuyC)
Posted by: Ignoramus at October 14, 2018 09:16 PM (1UZdv)
Lock and load brother.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 09:15 PM (pUDQf)
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No kidding! No sirens, though. Strange. There is a large apartment complex down the road and it came from that direction.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:17 PM (Qf//Q)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 09:17 PM (pUDQf)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:14 PM (Qf//Q)
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WA? Turn out the lights, gun up!
Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at October 14, 2018 09:17 PM (WEBkv)
Is there some thread count "measuring" going on between the COBs? Is there a prize?
And here I thought you only bitched to each other about the deductibles in your dental plan. Huh.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 14, 2018 09:16 PM (hyuyC)
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Nah. I'm just goofing on CBD.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:18 PM (Qf//Q)
However, I tend to forget about those, because the first gun that I was ever really attached to was a .50 caliber flintlock that I built from a lock kit, a barrel, and a chunk of maple. That was the gun I wanted and had been working towards since I was about 14. That is my real first gun.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 14, 2018 09:18 PM (bZ7mE)
If you find an ex-police or military weapon make sure it doesn't have the magazine release at the heel of the grip unless it's really what you want. They can be hard to find magazines for and expensive when you finally do.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Google Is Always Listening - Link in nic at October 14, 2018 09:18 PM (9dTkj)
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 14, 2018 09:18 PM (bZ7mE)
Wow. Freaking elephant cartridge for a first gun.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 09:19 PM (pUDQf)
Heard some handgun shots, at a distance (pop pop is quite easy to recognize, on a quiet night) one Saturday night, last month I think. Several, in a few spurts, over 5 minutes. Then, same night, middle of, about 3AMish, when up to answer nature's call, heard a rifle shot (definitely), and much closer.
WTF? Not a lot of gun-play in my area. As in none. But that's the second time the last few years I've heard gunshots at night. Previous time was middle of night, definitely rifle, not *that* far away, loud enough to wake me up, I think, though not sure about that.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 14, 2018 09:19 PM (QDnY+)
I miss her. Snif.
Posted by: Tonypete at October 14, 2018 09:19 PM (9rIkM)
Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at October 14, 2018 09:17 PM (WEBkv)
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Nope. I'm at home in NoVA. I hear shots all the time at the farm - no worries there.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:19 PM (Qf//Q)
Posted by: Emmie at October 14, 2018 09:21 PM (4HMW8)
Cartridges are for muskets. For hunting rifles a horn and pouch works better.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 14, 2018 09:21 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:19 PM (Qf//Q)
https://stoatnet.org/dunno.mp4
Posted by: hogmartin at October 14, 2018 09:22 PM (y87Qq)
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Yep. I'm home. If that wasn't a gunshot, it sure as hell sounded like one. Someone let go of 5 or 6 rounds on New Years Eve from down there.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:23 PM (Qf//Q)
Advantage: Weasel.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 14, 2018 09:24 PM (hyuyC)
Mr. Stoner's "buffer group" for the win.
I've fired the M-16 (with its regular front end and with a CAR-15 front end ) and a number of different AK-47s. I was a fan of the 3-shot burst with Mr. Stoner's equipment and it wasn't really feasible with the AK.
My big M-16 gripe (68-70) was the Army's fixation on the 20-round magazine. We actually had 30-rounders (contraband, no less) smuggled in from the States and borrowed from the Green Beanies.
Posted by: 11B40 at October 14, 2018 09:24 PM (evgyj)
weight on that please. Cost has to be in 3 figures and start with 6 or
less, or above mentioned OL will have shit-fit.
Can any morons help?
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at October 14, 2018 08:42 PM (oSoNz)
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do her and your marriage a favor, and let someone else teach her.
first suggested step is to get her to attend a "Women on Target" class by the NRA at a local range.
they start with the basics, in a class room, then move to the firing line after lunch.
by women, for women, so no stress, no/low testosterone, and it's a solid block of instruction.
then, shell out for a certified trainer at a local range for a some classes. if your experience is anything like mine, you'll have a wife that is not only as good, or better with the firearms, but one who *wants* to go see what's for sale at the toy store, go to the range, hunting, and even get into reloading.
it's a great kind of monster to create, IMHO.
Posted by: redc1c4 at October 14, 2018 09:24 PM (kRSP9)
I would really like to watch Levin tonite on Fox. Anyone know how to stream live for more that 15 mins?
Posted by: Infidel at October 14, 2018 09:24 PM (Hc2xj)
Posted by: 11B40 at October 14, 2018 09:25 PM (evgyj)
The one varience was for the tactical reload. The test is designed for semi auto or double action revolvers with speed loaders. He used the historic approach: pull a second revolver. Think Josey Wales.
Kinda a fun video.
I was rather shocked at how close the distances were.
Posted by: JTB at October 14, 2018 09:25 PM (V+03K)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:19 PM (Qf//Q)
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Okay, I see why a shot might raise the old warning flag!
Anyway, my daughter and her husband live in Chesapeake. I hope to get out that way sometime in the next couple of years.
Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at October 14, 2018 09:25 PM (WEBkv)
Advantage: Weasel.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 14, 2018 09:24 PM (hyuyC)
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Never, ever fight fair! How you doin', salty?
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:26 PM (Qf//Q)
Okayyyy ... I have a secret schueztenboner for a 1911, so please keep talking. But that *6* starting number, hes dead, Jim. Right?!
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at October 14, 2018 09:26 PM (oSoNz)
Posted by: Infidel at October 14, 2018 09:24 PM (Hc2xj)
Some YouTube channels stream it live with a pip to make you watch ads. But at least it's streamed.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 09:26 PM (pUDQf)
Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2018 09:26 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Emmie at October 14, 2018 09:21 PM (4HMW
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Excellent!
Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at October 14, 2018 09:27 PM (WEBkv)
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at October 14, 2018 09:26 PM (oSoNz)
Uh. Yeah.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 09:28 PM (pUDQf)
Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2018 09:26 PM (NWiLs)
Marlin 1894C.
Posted by: ScoggDog at October 14, 2018 09:28 PM (fiGNd)
The bad kind of morons explain why assault weapons are bad.
https://youtu.be/aC_vSaNMrG0
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at October 14, 2018 09:28 PM (+y/Ru)
Posted by: Infidel at October 14, 2018 09:29 PM (Hc2xj)
Posted by: Emmie at October 14, 2018 09:21 PM (4HMW
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Be happy to take you shooting if you're anywhere close to Northern or Central Virginia!
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:29 PM (Qf//Q)
not counting stuff at the gallery @ Disneyland or the carnival arcades...
Marlin Glenfield 22.
not sure why my parents bought it for me, unless they hoped i'd take it to high school and make the news.
that never occurred to me, even being the only white kid for four *very* long years.
Posted by: redc1c4 at October 14, 2018 09:29 PM (kRSP9)
Posted by: Nurse ratched at October 14, 2018 07:26 PM (PkVlr)
Glad you had fun!
If more Seattle Area morons want to get together to shoot, I can help with guest passes.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 14, 2018 09:30 PM (xJa6I)
Just got the outdoor plants in. It's snowing and going into the 20's tonight.
Getting ready for the Texas trip.
I have some POS equipment, bought when I could not afford better. One sight is for an airsoft setup I got with what limited funds I had. I'll decide what to bring later.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 14, 2018 09:30 PM (hyuyC)
Most ranges here won't let me shoot steel cased stuff for fire hazard reasons, I think.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 14, 2018 09:31 PM (xJa6I)
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Looking forward to seeing you there!!
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:31 PM (Qf//Q)
Okayyyy ... I have a secret schueztenboner for a 1911, so please keep talking. But that *6* starting number, hes dead, Jim. Right?!
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at October 14, 2018 09:26 PM (oSoNz)
As long as you stay away from Colt, or high-end, custom 1911's, you should be able to get one, new, for well under $600. Look at Springfield Armory or Rock Island, for example.
Posted by: Iowa Bob at October 14, 2018 09:31 PM (bjCNA)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:26 PM (Qf//Q)
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if you're in a fair fight, your tactics suck.
Posted by: redc1c4 at October 14, 2018 09:32 PM (kRSP9)
Mom was upstairs freaking out. Dad was down there teaching me, at 6 y.o.
Many garden invasive ground hogs, rabbits and grey squirels fell to that rifle!
Posted by: dd at October 14, 2018 09:33 PM (V2W/Q)
I'm so sick of the "AK is inaccurate" myth. The truth is that the AK is "battle accurate" and perfectly capable of scoring aimed hits at 300 yards and more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chiTUvryG5U&t=38s
Posted by: Guzalot at October 14, 2018 08:30 PM (schB/)
The main problem with AK accuracy is that the sights really aren't as conducive to pinpoint use, with the short sight radius being the biggest drawback. The rifle itself is perfectly capable of excellent combat accuracy, within the ballistic limitations of the round itself.
The long sight radius with peep sight of the Valmet and Galil AK variants are one of the best improvements to the platform.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 14, 2018 09:34 PM (eXA4G)
Posted by: Oedipus at October 14, 2018 09:34 PM (D+itC)
Posted by: The Walking Dude at October 14, 2018 09:34 PM (yuVxc)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 09:35 PM (pUDQf)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:35 PM (Qf//Q)
Posted by: Oedipus at October 14, 2018 09:34 PM (D+itC)
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Howdy!
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:36 PM (Qf//Q)
My wife will be staying home. She wants to rest up from her last vacation.
Also looking forward to meeting the estimable Ben Had and the rest of the redoubtable AoSHQ luminaries.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 14, 2018 09:37 PM (hyuyC)
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at October 14, 2018 09:26 PM (oSoNz)
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Here, let me make things even worse: My wife has small hands and is slight of frame and she prefers my 1911 over any other handgun she's tried, and she's tried several. Same thing with the daughter of my niece and nephew. Much preferred the 1911,
Rock Island makes an okay 1911. Buy the tactical, though, because hammer bite on the GI model isn't fun.
Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at October 14, 2018 09:37 PM (WEBkv)
My wife will be staying home. She wants to rest up from her last vacation.
Also looking forward to meeting the estimable Ben Had and the rest of the redoubtable AoSHQ luminaries.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 14, 2018 09:37 PM (hyuyC)
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You will be hard pressed to not have a great time. Ben Had is the best!!
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:38 PM (Qf//Q)
I am sure I can get over my shyness and have a great time.
And creeper promised to step on my toes if there is any dancing in the horse barns.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 14, 2018 09:40 PM (hyuyC)
Never had a problem with hammer bite with the mil-spec hammer and grip safety.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 14, 2018 09:40 PM (bZ7mE)
First firearm I ever shot was a Stevens .22 bolt action.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2018 09:26 PM (NWiLs)
Marlin 1894C.
Posted by: ScoggDog at October 14, 2018 09:28 PM (fiGNd)
The Pig, for me.
On a Tiger Cruise with my dad when he returned from a WestPac deployment. The Marines had an M60 on a tripod letting us dependents shoot off the fantail of the USS Coral Sea.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 14, 2018 09:41 PM (eXA4G)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 14, 2018 09:42 PM (hyuyC)
Posted by: JTB at October 14, 2018 09:42 PM (V+03K)
Posted by: lin-duh at October 14, 2018 09:42 PM (kufk0)
I am sure I can get over my shyness and have a great time.
And creeper promised to step on my toes if there is any dancing in the horse barns.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 14, 2018 09:40 PM (hyuyC)
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Ben Had starts handing out lampshades promptly at 9pm.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:43 PM (Qf//Q)
Heckler and Koch Model 91 assault rifle, loaned to me for plinking by a 101st AB Vietnam vet.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 14, 2018 09:43 PM (hyuyC)
Posted by: lin-duh at October 14, 2018 09:42 PM (kufk0)
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Hey there!!
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:43 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 09:35 PM (pUDQf)
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i'll write you a check, okay?
Posted by: redc1c4 at October 14, 2018 09:43 PM (kRSP9)
Posted by: Emmie
I have the strangest bone right now...
Posted by: Oedipus at October 14, 2018 09:43 PM (D+itC)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 14, 2018 09:44 PM (hyuyC)
Posted by: lin-duh at October 14, 2018 09:44 PM (kufk0)
Posted by: Surfperch at October 14, 2018 09:44 PM (tKF1g)
Posted by: yankeefifth at October 14, 2018 09:44 PM (MTjB1)
They rationalize it as a safety issue but it's mostly because they collect and resell the used brass to commercial reloaders and steel cases aren't reloadable.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at October 14, 2018 09:44 PM (cTajt)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 09:44 PM (pUDQf)
Here, let me make things even worse: My wife has small hands and is slight of frame and she prefers my 1911 over any other handgun she's tried, and she's tried several. Same thing with the daughter of my niece and nephew. Much preferred the 1911,
Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at October 14, 2018 09:37 PM (WEBkv)
A common occurrence. The narrow grip on such a large pistol is deceptively comfortable for folks with small hands.
One more indicator of the genius of John Moses Browning (PBUH).
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 14, 2018 09:44 PM (eXA4G)
Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2018 08:23 PM (tEVlJ)
Gaaahh! Late as usual... is this at your place or somewhere else? Are the little creeps making pests of themselves? Will a .22 work? I'm guessing flamethrowers are right out.
*waves at lin-duh and Weasel*
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 14, 2018 09:45 PM (0ReGO)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:29 PM (Qf//Q)
Weasel, I would be thrilled to meet you and accept your kind invitation if the opportunity ever materializes. Thank you!
You are only about 1,500 miles away!
Posted by: Emmie at October 14, 2018 09:45 PM (4HMW8)
Posted by: lin-duh at October 14, 2018 09:44 PM (kufk0)
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I was wondering about that -want to hear all about it this weekend!
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:45 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: yankeefifth at October 14, 2018 09:44 PM (MTjB1)
I will when you lend me the money to buy the 1911s.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 09:45 PM (pUDQf)
Posted by: Emmie at October 14, 2018 09:46 PM (4HMW8)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 14, 2018 09:43 PM (hyuyC)
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full auto or burst capable?
Posted by: redc1c4 at October 14, 2018 09:46 PM (kRSP9)
Posted by: lin-duh at October 14, 2018 09:46 PM (kufk0)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:29 PM (Qf//Q)
Weasel, I would be thrilled to meet you and accept your kind invitation if the opportunity ever materializes. Thank you!
You are only about 1,500 miles away!
Posted by: Emmie at October 14, 2018 09:45 PM (4HMW
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Well keep it in mind. Standing invitation. And I'm only about half as creepy as I sound here.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:46 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: lin-duh at October 14, 2018 09:47 PM (kufk0)
Posted by: Nurse ratched at October 14, 2018 09:47 PM (PkVlr)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:47 PM (MVjcR)
Yes. He either got a good deal somewhere, or may have "modified" it. A very nice, accurate weapon.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 14, 2018 09:48 PM (hyuyC)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:48 PM (MVjcR)
We'll have more fun if there's a match timer at hand.
*grins*
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at October 14, 2018 09:48 PM (QzJWU)
Posted by: lin-duh at October 14, 2018 09:48 PM (kufk0)
Posted by: Surfperch at October 14, 2018 09:48 PM (tKF1g)
Posted by: Infidel at October 14, 2018 09:49 PM (Hc2xj)
Posted by: Emmie at October 14, 2018 09:49 PM (4HMW8)
Posted by: Jim at October 14, 2018 09:48 PM (QzJWU)
There are match timer smartphone apps, but I've never used one. I wonder if they're any good?
Posted by: hogmartin at October 14, 2018 09:49 PM (y87Qq)
Posted by: Nurse ratched at October 14, 2018 09:49 PM (PkVlr)
Posted by: lin-duh at October 14, 2018 09:49 PM (kufk0)
Posted by: Infidel at October 14, 2018 09:49 PM (Hc2xj)
Fun, Infidel! Road trip!
Posted by: Emmie at October 14, 2018 09:50 PM (4HMW8)
Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at October 14, 2018 09:50 PM (WEBkv)
Posted by: Ignoramus at October 14, 2018 09:50 PM (1UZdv)
Posted by: Emmie at October 14, 2018 09:49 PM (4HMW
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We can if we all try really, really hard!
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:50 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: LASue at October 14, 2018 09:50 PM (Z48ZB)
bought herself a Glock (pro tip: get a subscription to Shotgun News, or whatever they are calling it these days... most women LOVE to shop) decided she didn't like it that much, so got an MnP in 45 ACP, then decided 1911's were great after all, so she's purchased several of her own... leaving me mine.
po' me.
Posted by: redc1c4 at October 14, 2018 09:50 PM (kRSP9)
Posted by: Calm Mentor at October 14, 2018 09:50 PM (I16G8)
I'll take you up on your offer of handgun training.
I fired right-handed while in the service and later.
Just starting to shoot left-handed. Left eye dominate, and left-handed.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 14, 2018 09:50 PM (hyuyC)
Posted by: LASue at October 14, 2018 09:50 PM (Z48ZB)
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yes please.
me love you long time if you do!
Posted by: redc1c4 at October 14, 2018 09:51 PM (kRSP9)
Posted by: Emmie at October 14, 2018 09:49 PM (4HMW
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We can if we all try really, really hard!
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:50 PM (MVjcR)
Christmas is saved!
Posted by: hogmartin at October 14, 2018 09:51 PM (y87Qq)
Posted by: hogmartin at October 14, 2018 09:49 PM (y87Qq)
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Short answer: They tend to be meh.
And, cool I got 400 but, well...
Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at October 14, 2018 09:51 PM (WEBkv)
I haven't used one so can't make a recommendation, but there are shot timer apps for phones.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at October 14, 2018 09:51 PM (cTajt)
Posted by: Emmie at October 14, 2018 09:51 PM (4HMW8)
Posted by: Emmie at October 14, 2018 09:49 PM (4HMW
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We can if we all try really, really hard!
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:50 PM (MVjcR)
IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE THAT WAS COMMENT 402.
Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at October 14, 2018 09:51 PM (tKF1g)
Posted by: hogmartin at October 14, 2018 09:49 PM (y87Qq)
Good, but not as good as the real thing. PACT timers, ftw!
Hoping one shows up there. Got some drills/competition sets in mind... and the good news? It'll have the wheelguns and semis on equal footing in the stage.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at October 14, 2018 09:52 PM (QzJWU)
Posted by: LASue at October 14, 2018 09:50 PM (Z48ZB)
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Are you offering? Because, yes please!
Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at October 14, 2018 09:52 PM (WEBkv)
Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2018 09:52 PM (tEVlJ)
Posted by: lin-duh at October 14, 2018 09:53 PM (kufk0)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:53 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: JTB at October 14, 2018 09:53 PM (V+03K)
Posted by: lin-duh at October 14, 2018 09:53 PM (kufk0)
Thank you C.J. Chivers on Stalin's mental illness. I agree with Chivers that something like the AK47 would have come out of the Soviet Union with or without the man Kalashnikov.
Posted by: 80's music fan at October 14, 2018 09:54 PM (tQkRb)
Most ranges here won't let me shoot steel cased stuff for fire hazard reasons, I think.
They rationalize it as a safety issue but it's mostly because they collect and resell the used brass to commercial reloaders and steel cases aren't reloadable.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at October 14, 2018 09:44 PM (cTajt)
On the other hand, steel-JACKETED rifle rounds definitely have the potential of causing fires in dry conditions. I've seen it happen. Virtually every outdoor range in SoCal is absolutely killer on magnet-checking your rifle ammo.
I used to pull the bullets from surplus Russkie 7.62x54r and replace them with commercial Prvi Partizan non-magnetic bullets so that I could actually shoot my M39 Finnish Mosin. Shot just fine, but it was only partly successful, as the PP bullets were boat-tailed and didn't have a crimp groove, so there wasn't as much bearing surface. I'd have to single-load rounds to keep the clunky Mosin action from dinking the rounds in the magazine.
I quit doing that when I got overeager once while loading, ended up with a couple of rounds rim-locked and while clearing the rifle ended up pulling the bullet and spilling powder all over the action. Ugh. I can be a dumbass sometimes.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 14, 2018 09:55 PM (eXA4G)
Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at October 14, 2018 09:56 PM (2NqXo)
Posted by: lin-duh at October 14, 2018 09:53 PM (kufk0)
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Y'all please forget most of everything I've ever said about WeaselWoman this weekend. Please.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:56 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: JTB at October 14, 2018 09:56 PM (V+03K)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at October 14, 2018 09:57 PM (PUmDY)
Posted by: LASue at October 14, 2018 09:50 PM (Z48ZB)
That's 'bout a $2,000 Christmas Present.
Though it's a piece of jewelry that shoots, it's not made to hold up under heavy .357 Magnum usage. Frame cracks right around the firing pin bushing, from absorbing the high-pressure recoil there. Cartridge head bears directly against the frame at that point.
Stick to .38 Special +P, or softer .357 loadings.
You looking at classic, High Polish Blue or Nickel, Satin Nickel, or one of the later Stainless variants?
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
p.s. and if you see a 2" bbl. Python, buy it. Worth a larger small fortune.
Posted by: Jim at October 14, 2018 09:58 PM (QzJWU)
Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at October 14, 2018 09:56 PM (2NqXo)
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I'd have loved to see her reaction last week when some jackass ran their vehicle into my house.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:58 PM (MVjcR)
Opinion please- Christmas present ... colt python, 6 inch barrel?
Posted by: LASue at October 14, 2018 09:50 PM (Z48ZB)
I didn't know you cared. My address is.....
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 14, 2018 09:59 PM (eXA4G)
Posted by: JTB at October 14, 2018 09:56 PM (V+03K)
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You bet, JTB. My pleasure.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:59 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2018 09:59 PM (tEVlJ)
Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2018 09:59 PM (tEVlJ)
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Thanks BH. Might be a quiet plane ride home!
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 10:01 PM (MVjcR)
Weasel, we will be on our best behavior so she doesn't think you hang around with a bunch of reprobates.
Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2018 09:59 PM (tEVlJ)
Killjoy.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 14, 2018 10:01 PM (eXA4G)
Did USAA treat you right?
I knew a XO who had his car, on the pier, hit by a torpedo. Oops. USAA paid out.
But my USAA policy states they will not pay for riots, insurrections and nuclear explosions, even if accidental.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 14, 2018 10:02 PM (hyuyC)
Killjoy.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 14, 2018 10:01 PM (eXA4G)
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Heh. Just teasing. She knows I'm a clown - we've been married 15 years!
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 10:02 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Infidel at October 14, 2018 09:49 PM (Hc2xj)
Fun, Infidel! Road trip!
Posted by: Emmie at October 14, 2018 09:50 PM (4HMW
Yes!! CO invasion of Weasel Acres!!
(seriously... he is actually *not* a type of weasel...)
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 14, 2018 10:03 PM (0ReGO)
Posted by: Ben Had at October 14, 2018 10:03 PM (tEVlJ)
Posted by: Iowa Bob at October 14, 2018 10:03 PM (bjCNA)
Posted by: redc1c4 at October 14, 2018 10:04 PM (kRSP9)
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at October 14, 2018 10:04 PM (cLj/v)
Did USAA treat you right?
I knew a XO who had his car, on the pier, hit by a torpedo. Oops. USAA paid out.
But my USAA policy states they will not pay for riots, insurrections and nuclear explosions, even if accidental.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 14, 2018 10:02 PM (hyuyC)
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I'm sure they will. They have always done a great job with the couple of other claims I have had over the years.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 10:04 PM (Qf//Q)
Posted by: Iowa Bob at October 14, 2018 10:03 PM (bjCNA)
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It - it just cant be done.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 10:05 PM (MVjcR)
(seriously... he is actually *not* a type of weasel...)
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 14, 2018 10:03 PM (0ReGO)
Even more fun! Should we let Mr. Bassman come along or leave him at home?
Posted by: Emmie at October 14, 2018 10:05 PM (4HMW8)
Posted by: RI Red at October 14, 2018 10:06 PM (x6zMD)
Posted by: Iowa Bob at October 14, 2018 10:03 PM (bjCNA)
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only if the ONT never shows up...
Posted by: redc1c4 at October 14, 2018 10:06 PM (kRSP9)
Posted by: Weasel
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A bus driver in Lafayette, IN forgot to set the parking brake before stepping out to take a smoke. The buss rolled down a short hill and ran into the front of a guy's house. Sitting beneath the window where bus hit the house, was the guy's stereo.
He brought the mangled remains into our shop for repair because the insurance company insisted on an estimate to repair.
When the equipment came into the shop, the technician recorded on the check-in paper under 'Complaint', "Struck by bus".
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 14, 2018 10:06 PM (++ggZ)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 10:06 PM (pUDQf)
asking for a friend...
Posted by: redc1c4 at October 14, 2018 10:04 PM (kRSP9)
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I'd cry.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 10:06 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at October 14, 2018 09:56 PM (2NqXo)
I'm gonna make trouble for that ball of fur. I can haz his toyz.
Posted by: WeaselCat at October 14, 2018 10:06 PM (8DvH0)
(seriously... he is actually *not* a type of weasel...)
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 14, 2018 10:03 PM (0ReGO)
Even more fun! Should we let Mr. Bassman come along or leave him at home?
Posted by: Emmie at October 14, 2018 10:05 PM (4HMW
Oooh, tough choice.
He may not want to be in a car with a bunch of 'ettes...
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 14, 2018 10:08 PM (0ReGO)
Posted by: NaCly Dog
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"Acts of God"?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 14, 2018 10:08 PM (++ggZ)
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 14, 2018 10:03 PM (0ReGO)
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the Horde has conscientious objectors?
or is that carbon monoxide?
Posted by: redc1c4 at October 14, 2018 10:08 PM (kRSP9)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 10:08 PM (pUDQf)
Name the highest caliber you've fired from a rifle or handgun. Name the caliber that scares you.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 10:06 PM (pUDQf)
50 BMG
The one that's fired in my direction.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 14, 2018 10:08 PM (eXA4G)
446 Name the highest caliber you've fired from a rifle or handgun. Name the caliber that scares you.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 10:06 PM (pUDQf)
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.50AE and .50 BMG
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 10:09 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Iowa Bob at October 14, 2018 10:03 PM (bjCNA)
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It - it just cant be done.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 10:05 PM (MVjcR)
Wanna bet?
Posted by: Iowa Bob at October 14, 2018 10:09 PM (bjCNA)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 10:06 PM (pUDQf)
Biggest handgun: .454 Casull. Biggest rifle: .50 BMG.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2018 10:09 PM (NWiLs)
asking for a friend...
Posted by: redc1c4 at October 14, 2018 10:04 PM (kRSP9)
All the Carbon Steel ones, for sure. And I'm not aware of the status of the Stainless variants, one way or another.
The Trooper Mk III & Mk IV are substantially beefier in that area of the recoil shield and bushing area.
Plus...Troopers don't give in to spring fatigue, being coil powered. Pythons are "V" type leaf mainspring....smooth harmonics, but can and do fatigue.
It MUST be remembered, that the Python's origin was not as a heavy duty combat gun, but from a target frame and lockwork.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at October 14, 2018 10:10 PM (QzJWU)
Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2018 10:10 PM (NWiLs)
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at October 14, 2018 10:11 PM (PUmDY)
I have been evangelizing this point of view for over a decade on the nets, so let me give my two kopeks here and now. (I am at work so this will be brief and a hit and run.)
The AK was designed for revolution. It has a couple attributes that set it apart. First though, understand that all design is a tradeoff between competing goals. I am not saying that it is perfectly this, or perfectly that, but that these attributes weighed more heavily in this design than in other guns.
Those attributes. - cheap and easy to manufacture in volume, easy to use for untrained peasant troops, reliable under low maintenance conditions (peasant troops). The tradeoffs are accuracy, long life, and robustness--those are things you want when you place a high value on the person behind the gun.
Early versions, and prototypes had even more stampings than what was later produced and that is the give away. Stampings are great if you plan to make 100k units, but that means a factory, and in the commie East, that means the state. The gun was produced to hand out to peasants to revolt.
Machined parts can be distributed to many small factories outside of state control. This is nothing new, and look at the innovations of Harper's Ferry to see that these things were at play in the early days of the industrial revolution. Craft built guns empowered the people to defend themselves. Pioneer guns. Mass produced weapons are something else again.
It is no accident that there are so many companies making ARs but not AKs, that is inherent in the design.
The best part about this strategy is that you kill off all the Kulaks and land owners, and then take over governement, and now you have a factory so you ship the guns off to your neighbors so they too can join in on the slaughter.
It is also no accident that the AK is the gun our troops run into in every third world shithole around the world. That was the plan.
I fucking hate that gun. No, I don't hate the gun, but I hate the ignorance that makes people glorify it and the guy who the soviets say designed it.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at October 14, 2018 10:11 PM (LWu6U)
He may not want to be in a car with a bunch of 'ettes...
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 14, 2018 10:08 PM (0ReGO)
Okay, ladies only it is!
Posted by: Emmie at October 14, 2018 10:11 PM (4HMW8)
Posted by: Charles the Simple at October 14, 2018 10:11 PM (w7U7L)
Oh, thanks for the update on the starting time, BH. Much appreciated.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 14, 2018 10:12 PM (eXA4G)
Posted by: hogmartin at October 14, 2018 10:12 PM (y87Qq)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 10:06 PM (pUDQf)
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445 Supermag for the pistol
460 Steyr for the rifle
50 BMG in the Army.
the one that scares me is the one someone is shooting at me, no matter *what* caliber it is, although the low order detonation of the errant 155 round near the rifle range i was on @ Club Bob is way up there in things that freaked me out.
as is the time someone walked into our armory with what looked like a WW2 pineapple grenade, corroded fuse body and all....
Posted by: redc1c4 at October 14, 2018 10:12 PM (kRSP9)
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That seems oddly specific
Posted by: Methos at October 14, 2018 10:12 PM (CPS8G)
Covered, if you consider severe weather as an Act of God.
Being in Kansas, I asked the USAA underwriters some questions. So my deductible for my roof was half of other house all-perils related deductibles.
And 5 years later, my roof was destroyed by a bad hail storm. A good hail storm would have missed me. But no. USAA covered it, minus my deductible.
Smiting and turning into a pillar of salt may require a persuasive talk with an agent.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 14, 2018 10:12 PM (hyuyC)
Biggest caliber is probably 8mm Mauser. Kicked like a mule, left a bruise the size of my palm on my collarbone (steel buttplates on a t-shirt). Also, bulged a barrel.
Calibers don't scare me. Lightweight guns in large calibers with poorly designed stocks, on the other hand....
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 14, 2018 10:13 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 10:06 PM (pUDQf)
Rifle: .50BMG
Handgun: .45ACP
Scared of: 500SampersandW
Posted by: Bert G at October 14, 2018 10:13 PM (OMsf+)
Okayyyy ... I have a secret schueztenboner for a 1911, so please keep talking. But that *6* starting number, hes dead, Jim. Right?!
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at October 14, 2018 09:26 PM (oSoNz)
Nope. Not if you're willing to spend the time to search and are patient.
Both my 1911s were $650. Latest one I got in July.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at October 14, 2018 10:13 PM (di1hb)
Y'all please forget most of everything I've ever said about WeaselWoman this weekend. Please.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 09:56 PM (MVjcR)
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All I've ever heard is "WW is awesome and I don't know why she puts up with me!"
...that'll be $20, please.
Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at October 14, 2018 10:13 PM (WEBkv)
Posted by: AlaBAMA
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.45-70
Friend offered me a chance to fire his .500 S&W Mag. I turned him down.
I have another friend with a .38 Super 1911. For whatever reason, I always feel trepidation when firing it.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, trapped in tax hell at October 14, 2018 10:14 PM (LJsYz)
Biggest handgun. .460 S&W Magnum. Im-fucking-PRESSIVE!
I would not pass up a good lever rifle in .460 S&W. Would prefer it over .500 S&W, in fact.
Very hot, fast, flat shooting (but still large and heavy) bullet.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at October 14, 2018 10:14 PM (QzJWU)
as is the time someone walked into our armory with what looked like a WW2 pineapple grenade, corroded fuse body and all....
Posted by: redc1c4 at October 14, 2018 10:12 PM (kRSP9
Ho ree shit, Batman. I hope he got the bomb squad called on him and a ride in a blueberry
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 10:14 PM (pUDQf)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 10:06 PM (pUDQf)
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Don't know the caliber but there's a video of a bunch of rag heads shooting some monster gun and hilarity ensuing.
Might scare me, though, considering I shoot military rifles with steel butt plates against my skinny bony white self, it might not.
Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at October 14, 2018 10:16 PM (WEBkv)
45-70 largest rifle caliber
45 colt largest handgun caliber but most powerful was a 300 grain 44 magnum load fired from a Ruger Super Blackhawk.
Haven't found a caliber that scares me but never tried the old 4 bore elephant guns. Those might do it.
Posted by: JTB at October 14, 2018 10:16 PM (V+03K)
Posted by: Iowa Bob at October 14, 2018 10:16 PM (bjCNA)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 10:16 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 14, 2018 10:17 PM (hyuyC)
Posted by: Iowa Bob at October 14, 2018 10:16 PM (bjCNA)
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I'm going to be around for a few more minutes. And as always, thanks to all for stopping by tonight and making this fun!
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 10:18 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 14, 2018 10:20 PM (hyuyC)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8WiLqPB4lU0
Look. At. Those. Rounds.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 10:21 PM (pUDQf)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 10:21 PM (Qf//Q)
The scariest gun I ever shot was a Hakim that someone had shortened the barrel on. 8mm Mauser that sounded like the crack of doom.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 14, 2018 10:21 PM (mUa7G)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 14, 2018 10:20 PM (hyuyC)
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Absolutely my pleasure.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 10:23 PM (Qf//Q)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 14, 2018 10:17 PM (hyuyC)
Yeah, but 500 on a gun thread !
Posted by: Iowa Bob at October 14, 2018 10:23 PM (bjCNA)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 10:06 PM (pUDQf)
Rifle: 90mm
Handgun: 500 S&W
Both are fun for me.
I have shot some unpleasant guns, though.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at October 14, 2018 10:24 PM (di1hb)
Posted by: William Befort at October 14, 2018 10:24 PM (hJFOo)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 14, 2018 10:24 PM (hyuyC)
Posted by: Iowa Bob at October 14, 2018 10:25 PM (bjCNA)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 10:25 PM (Qf//Q)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 10:26 PM (pUDQf)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 14, 2018 10:24 PM (hyuyC)
Central Iowa, Des Moines area.
Posted by: Iowa Bob at October 14, 2018 10:26 PM (bjCNA)
Posted by: Iowa Bob at October 14, 2018 10:25 PM (bjCNA)
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Thanks and same here, Iowa Bob.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 10:26 PM (Qf//Q)
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 10:27 PM (Qf//Q)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 10:27 PM (pUDQf)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 10:28 PM (pUDQf)
Central Iowa, Des Moines area.
Posted by: Iowa Bob at October 14, 2018 10:26 PM (bjCNA)
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I do a lot of work with PFG.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 10:28 PM (Qf//Q)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 10:28 PM (pUDQf)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 10:28 PM (pUDQf)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 10:28 PM (pUDQf)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 10:27 PM (pUDQf)
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It's a nice one!
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 10:28 PM (Qf//Q)
Central Iowa, Des Moines area.
Posted by: Iowa Bob at October 14, 2018 10:26 PM (bjCNA)
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I do a lot of work with PFG.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 10:28 PM (Qf//Q)
PFG ? I don't recognize that.
Posted by: Iowa Bob at October 14, 2018 10:29 PM (bjCNA)
Posted by: Iowa Bob at October 14, 2018 10:30 PM (bjCNA)
He put a lot of bad people in government, but fortunately he was too lazy to act on his twisted urges.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 14, 2018 10:30 PM (hyuyC)
That's about it for me. See ya'll next week. Not sure what my schedule will be like next Sunday - we'll be flying back from the TXMoMe, but I will have something to put up. Thanks again and goodnight!!
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 10:32 PM (Qf//Q)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 10:32 PM (pUDQf)
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Principal Financial Group. They administer our benefit plans.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 10:33 PM (Qf//Q)
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at October 14, 2018 10:33 PM (cTajt)
Posted by: Iowa Bob at October 14, 2018 10:30 PM (bjCNA)
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Last week too!
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 10:34 PM (Qf//Q)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 14, 2018 10:35 PM (pUDQf)
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Principal Financial Group. They administer our benefit plans.
Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2018 10:33 PM (Qf//Q)
Ah, OK. Never heard PFG, around here they're just "Principal". Seems like half the people here either work for them, or Wells Fargo, or the state.
Posted by: Iowa Bob at October 14, 2018 10:35 PM (bjCNA)
Posted by: rickl at October 14, 2018 10:37 PM (sdi6R)
Yes. Still learning the SW22 victory and am shooting better and better with it.
I also learned that it will go about 815 rounds until it gets so dirty that it'll stop working until you clean it.
I cleaned it and it worked again!
Posted by: Arthur G Kimes at October 14, 2018 10:38 PM (ndU7W)
Posted by: William Befort at October 14, 2018 10:24 PM (hJFOo)
I didn't know that. I always thought the Norks had them in the Korean War.
Posted by: rickl at October 14, 2018 10:43 PM (sdi6R)
1) built with substandard materials
2) so sloppily toleranced it will run, effectively, with substandard ammunition
3) so intuitive to operate that a total idiot can run it.
Browning knew his designs would be appreciated and used by a nation accustomed to rifles, handguns, and shotguns. Mikhail, Simonov, Tokarev and Makarov built guns to be used by beet farmers.
Posted by: SixgunSam at October 14, 2018 10:45 PM (m9Xni)
Posted by: ramondo at October 15, 2018 02:23 AM (PbMBm)
Essential none in the great scheme of things, Joe, even counting the Vietnam War and the recent Middle East conflicts. The big victim of the AK47 are the brown people of Africa and Asia, numbering in the millions, but they are acceptable losses, right?.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 15, 2018 08:02 AM (yQpMk)
Posted by: William Befort at October 14, 2018 10:24 PM (hJFOo)
I didn't know that. I always thought the Norks had them in the Korean War.
Wikipedia has a pretty good rundown under the title "List of Korean War Weapons," Allied as well as Communist. The Norks and Chicoms employed a vast miscellany of surplus weaponry from both world wars, plus Chinese-produced versions of WW2 guns, but the AK didn't make the Korean scene.
Posted by: William Befort at October 15, 2018 12:47 PM (hJFOo)
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